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| smackpotato | whats anyone think of the n810 as a bicycle computer | 00:04 |
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| smackpotato | http://soundofmotion.com/products/ | 00:04 |
| ds3 | ' | 00:05 |
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| ||cw | smackpotato: interesting. bet it's rfcomm and so writing an app to use it would be pretty simple | 00:13 |
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| ol_schoola | any idea if there is generic webcam support in the kernel? if i could put the guts of a webcam on a flexi rod with a couple of LEDs, we have a poor man's inspection camera | 00:55 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | If it supports v4l2 and has modules, then yes. | 00:56 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Grab a mplayer & mencoder with v4l2 support as well. | 00:56 |
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| ol_schoola | hm, dunno crap about webcams and (current) v4l2. must go a-hunting, thanks for the pointers | 00:57 |
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| CrashandDie | i'm off, cheers :) | 01:11 |
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| Ikkakujyu | Hmm, I just realized the camera in the N800 is perfect for augmented reality. | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | augmented? | 01:16 |
| glass | perfect? | 01:16 |
| johnx | an augmented reality of low resolution with the white-balance all wrong? | 01:16 |
| glass | far from it | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:16 |
| Ikkakujyu | Well, by perfect I mean capable. | 01:16 |
| Ikkakujyu | i.e. it can point in the right direction, and there's a driver for it. | 01:16 |
| glass | it's lowres, if you had for example 2d barcodes on things they'd have to be pretty big for recognition | 01:17 |
| glass | of course depends what kind of augmented reality you were thinking of | 01:17 |
| Ikkakujyu | ...2d barcodes. | 01:17 |
| Ikkakujyu | Though the Klimt project did a pretty good job with crappy cameras on PocketPC :D | 01:17 |
| glass | well just about any cam can read 2d barcoes up close | 01:18 |
| elb | I had very little luck reading barcodes with the n810 camera | 01:18 |
| elb | it's so horribly noisy | 01:18 |
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| glass | huh | 01:19 |
| Ikkakujyu | Eh, Invisible Train uses pretty big barcodes - http://studierstube.icg.tu-graz.ac.at/invisible_train/ | 01:21 |
| Ikkakujyu | Would it be too farfetched to hook up a USB webcam? :D | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | power requirements | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | if it draws more than 100mA you need power injector or powered hub | 01:22 |
| Ikkakujyu | Hm. | 01:23 |
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| fysa | or a battery.. | 01:41 |
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| fysa | I mean, you're walking around like a cyborg anyway. | 01:42 |
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| fysa | sorry, you said power injector | 01:42 |
| fysa | ;) | 01:42 |
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| fysa | a slim digital camera could work | 01:43 |
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| Cptnodegard | yei hurray for mirc scripts missing a } | 01:44 |
| fysa | how fast can you process an image, anyway? | 01:44 |
| Cptnodegard | -_____- | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | 4fps | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | at full res | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | 16fps at 352x288 | 01:44 |
| fysa | would you need to process that fast? | 01:44 |
| pupnik | would be nice if N900 had a better camera | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | hi pupnik | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | wanna see liqart with aa lines? | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems likely, pupnik. | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If just because of gradual technological improvements increasing the baseline quality. :D | 01:45 |
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| fysa | I would think you'd be better off using a higher res capture at less fps. | 01:45 |
| fysa | then you can OCR the world | 01:45 |
| fysa | and wikipedia it | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | at higher res you must have a steady hand | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | othjerwise your 'scan' would come out.. bendy | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:46 |
| fysa | use a regular digital camera in CCD mode | 01:46 |
| fysa | at 1fps | 01:46 |
| fysa | ? | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | use scanner? | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:46 |
| fysa | then you can get 8 megapixel? | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | scanner is even more | 01:46 |
| fysa | haha | 01:46 |
| fysa | true | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | and gets quite even lighting | 01:47 |
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| fysa | sew a scanner into a shirt | 01:47 |
| pupnik | what is liqart KotCzarny ? | 01:47 |
| lcdd | i'd like manufacturers to stop building parts that are utterly useless for any imaginable purpose | 01:47 |
| lcdd | like the camera | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik, join my chan | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:47 |
| johnx | lcdd, I kind of imagine Nokia going through this parts bin as they made the N800: "Well we have a *ton* of these SD card slots!" "That's fine, give every tablet 2!" "And what should we do with these crappy camera modules...?" | 01:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cost-cutting. | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | If they used a real camera, they'd have to up the price. | 01:50 |
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| pupnik | i'd like a google books reader btw | 01:58 |
| lcdd | i guess shipping to customers is just another way of avoiding waste collection fees | 01:58 |
| pupnik | something that scrapes google and getches the .gifs | 01:58 |
| pupnik | i think the tablets are a great deal | 01:59 |
| lcdd | they're not bad overall | 02:03 |
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| plb | Anyone know where I can download the echo theme wallpaper? Want to put it on my d2...I luv it ;] | 02:09 |
| plb | can't seem to find it online anywhere | 02:10 |
| pupnik | it should be on your device if you have it installed | 02:10 |
| plb | I don't have it on me =\ | 02:11 |
| pupnik | or download the deb and extract the files with "ar x debfilename.deb" | 02:11 |
| pupnik | or um.. dpkg -X debfilename.deb . | 02:12 |
| plb | hm I'm surprised that wallpaper isn't posted somewhere | 02:13 |
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| plb | where can i download echo theme? | 02:16 |
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| pupnik | try searching http://gronmayer.com/it | 02:20 |
| plb | ok thanks | 02:20 |
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| KotCzarny | hm | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | is there a gdb for maemo? | 02:38 |
| termsig | i dont think so but i`m not sure. | 02:41 |
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| KotCzarny | http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/gdb/download | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:44 |
| plb | argh KotCzarny happen to know where I can find default os2008 wallpaper echo? | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | plb, i can put it on my site if you want | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | that will be faster than googling | 02:45 |
| plb | please! | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:45 |
| plb | hehe | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | btw. can you navigate to: /usr/share/backgrounds | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | and tell me if you have echo.png ? | 02:50 |
| plb | ya but I'm not on my device atm | 02:50 |
| plb | I want to put the bg on my cowon d2 ;] | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | should i.. | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:51 |
| plb | =P | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/echo.png | 02:52 |
| plb | I can't seem to find it anywhere online | 02:52 |
| plb | thanks! | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | tell me when you got it | 02:52 |
| plb | got it thanks | 02:52 |
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| legind | is there any way to get the maemo browser to run through a proxy? if im on some cafes open wifi I want to make sure I'm securely browsing | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | it's in the config | 03:11 |
| legind | ah thanks KotCzarny i just looked in the settings | 03:12 |
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| mikedep333 | hey, how do I take the external SD out of my N800? | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | use nail | 03:40 |
| shapr | yarr! | 03:41 |
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| whooper | lol | 03:46 |
| WormFood | mikedep333, I was pushing on that external SD, expecting it to pop out....then I used my nail | 03:49 |
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| mikedep333 | yeah | 03:59 |
| whooper | and what? it came out? | 03:59 |
| mikedep333 | unfortunately I don't think I can use my nail on the microSD to SD adapter | 03:59 |
| mikedep333 | only on the microSD itself | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid adaptors. | 03:59 |
| whooper | probably not | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get a pair of tweezers. | 03:59 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then wrap a piece of scotch tape around it. | 03:59 |
| whooper | uh huh | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make yourself a little tab. | 04:00 |
| whooper | m'kay | 04:00 |
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| whooper | that's not a bad idea | 04:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If only stupid manufacturers didn't throw the whole spec out the window when they make adaptors. | 04:01 |
| whooper | indeed | 04:01 |
| whooper | if only there was ONE standard | 04:01 |
| mikedep333 | the nokia updater is downloading the 2008 image | 04:02 |
| mikedep333 | where does it temporarily store it? | 04:02 |
| mikedep333 | I want to back it up | 04:02 |
| mikedep333 | on windows xp | 04:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Who the hell knows? :P | 04:04 |
| mikedep333 | lol | 04:04 |
| mikedep333 | the program is using up 121 megs and growing | 04:04 |
| mikedep333 | it is probably keeping it in RAM | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just grab it from there for a backup. | 04:04 |
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| mikedep333 | so my first impressions are that the screen is nice | 04:06 |
| mikedep333 | but youtube was displayed horrible on ITOS2007 | 04:06 |
| mikedep333 | not properly rendered and the video went slow | 04:07 |
| mikedep333 | I do like the zooming in and out ability | 04:07 |
| elb | the screen is gorgeous | 04:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 is much better. | 04:10 |
| mikedep333 | yeah, youtube is better on it | 04:14 |
| mikedep333 | ok, time to transfer to my 2 GB SD | 04:15 |
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| legind | does os2008 use operas microbrowser? | 04:23 |
| zion | legind: afaik, os2008 uses a gecko based browser | 04:24 |
| mikedep333 | do I need red pill mode for this? | 04:25 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99536 | 04:25 |
| mikedep333 | I added the repo | 04:25 |
| legind | I thought so, but what made me unsure is that it uses the acronym "microb" | 04:25 |
| mikedep333 | then searching for becomeroot didnt find anything | 04:25 |
| legind | and operas micro browser has some big security issues | 04:25 |
| t_s_o | should not need red pill to install becomeroot | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not an acronym. | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just the name | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's based on Gecko | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1.9 | 04:29 |
| Ikkakujyu | I spent all day compiling MusicPD only to find out someone else already did it :( I need to google harder. | 04:30 |
| Navi | "Microbe" | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your google-fu is still weak and untrained, young padawan. | 04:31 |
| Navi | It's a nice play on words | 04:31 |
| Navi | since it can also stand for micro browser | 04:31 |
| Navi | Either way, it's tiny | 04:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles infects Navi with MRSA | 04:33 | |
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| mikedep333 | whoops, entered typo in the eko.one.pl address | 04:33 |
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| G7KES | Hi does, anyone know the location of a deb for a shell? I'm running OS2008 on an N800. | 04:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | deb for a shell? | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, right. | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ask the question, then run away. | 04:53 |
| WormFood | that is real effective....ask a question, then leave | 04:55 |
| WormFood | I hope his nick isn't a ham call....he'd give hams a bad name | 04:55 |
| celesteh | i hate it when i ask a question and then my network dies | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | dead network doesn't produce /part command | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | calls a ruthless peer sometimes | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:56 |
| celesteh | heh | 04:56 |
| WormFood | well, he left the channel, as you can tell by the message...also he is still on irc | 04:57 |
| WormFood | that IS his ham call | 04:57 |
| celesteh | clearly, we must track him down to answer his question | 04:57 |
| legind | the micro browser doesn't seem to take my SOCKS proxy settings - has anyone had similar problems? | 04:57 |
| legind | network.proxy.socks | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, bad socks? | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:58 |
| legind | my socks are fine | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | btw. if it isn't in settings dialog maybe it's not supported ? | 04:58 |
| legind | even after toring | 04:58 |
| legind | it's there | 04:58 |
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| legind | ahh ok | 04:58 |
| WormFood | anyways, I'm out of here...have fun guys | 04:58 |
| legind | yeah its not in settings, only in the config | 04:58 |
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| mikedep333 | when I go to untar this: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz | 05:03 |
| mikedep333 | I get tar: unexpected end of file | 05:03 |
| mikedep333 | tar: short read | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Download it better? | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | use wget? | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, this is a great opportunity to install openssh and use sftp. :D | 05:03 |
| mikedep333 | downloaded it again | 05:04 |
| mikedep333 | no errors this time | 05:04 |
| whooper | good | 05:06 |
| whooper | hey guys-- here's a topic | 05:07 |
| whooper | killer apps for different os's | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | maemo.org | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | has a great lists | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | and top25 | 05:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:08 |
| whooper | yeah, but really, what are your's, #maemo? | 05:08 |
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| whooper | *yours | 05:08 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 05:08 |
| whooper | like, for games, media, office, worst | 05:09 |
| whooper | ect. | 05:09 |
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| mikedep333 | I forgot to flash the FAT partition on my SD before installing initfs | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | i love sdk | 05:09 |
| whooper | kay | 05:10 |
| mikedep333 | will that give me a problem? | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | lots of fun | 05:10 |
| mikedep333 | *format the FAT partition | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | and lots of adventure | 05:10 |
| whooper | how would one learn best how to program apps in maemo? | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | mike: fat partition isn't critical for booting/running | 05:10 |
| whooper | or program in general | 05:10 |
| mikedep333 | ok, just making sure | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | whooper: by reading good books and twiddling in examples | 05:11 |
| whooper | can you reccomend any? | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | not in english | 05:11 |
| whooper | ah. | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:11 |
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| whooper | i doubt that i could grep my way out of a paper bag. | 05:12 |
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| smlackpotato | . | 05:13 |
| mikedep333 | hmm, crap | 05:13 |
| whooper | whats up? | 05:13 |
| mikedep333 | I used the file manager to format the SD card | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 05:14 |
| mikedep333 | and now I only see /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 05:14 |
| mikedep333 | no p2 | 05:14 |
| mikedep333 | did it remove the ext2 partition? | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | sfdisk -l | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | if it's not there then it created new partition table | 05:14 |
| mikedep333 | yeah, it did | 05:15 |
| whooper | ouch | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | fun | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:15 |
| mikedep333 | how do I properly format only the fat partition? | 05:15 |
| mikedep333 | nm | 05:15 |
| mikedep333 | mkdosfs | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | mkdosfs | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:15 |
| mikedep333 | well, let me ask this | 05:15 |
| whooper | anyone here firmiliar with mintyboost (ladyada)? | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | whooper, start by learning bash and the basics of the Linux shell. | 05:16 |
| whooper | alright | 05:16 |
| mikedep333 | do I need to format it at all before installing the OS to the ext2 part? | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then I'd move up to bash scripting. | 05:16 |
| whooper | ok | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | mike, nope | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then Python, Ruby, or Perl from there. | 05:16 |
| mikedep333 | ok, great | 05:16 |
| whooper | probly python | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then C | 05:16 |
| whooper | uh huh | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though Python provides you with 95% of the stuff you'd need. | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | ga, the great coder ;) | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if he ever written anything | 05:17 |
| whooper | yeah, and it works with maemo and (i think) Android | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | other than pr stuff | 05:17 |
| whooper | alright, brb then-- thanks GA! | 05:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles puts KotCzarny back on ignore. | 05:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Turns out he's still just as much of an asshole as he's always been. | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | ^ same arrogant idiot | 05:19 |
| whooper | winning a flame war is like winning the special olympics-- even if you win, you're still retarded | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 05:20 |
| whooper | so stop arguing | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | he started it | 05:20 |
| whooper | an d im ending it | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:20 |
| whooper | LAWL | 05:20 |
| whooper | brb for real now | 05:21 |
| whooper | dont make me have to separate you two again | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | i have my screen | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | to keep me safe | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:21 |
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| mikedep333 | the N800 comes with a skype voucher, right? | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 05:31 |
| mikedep333 | in the box? | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | mine did | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some do, some don't. | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure of the pattern. | 05:31 |
| mikedep333 | ok, oh well | 05:31 |
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| Navi | "he started it" is a horrible excuse. | 05:35 |
| dospod | hey | 05:35 |
| Navi | Hi | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | still true | 05:36 |
| dospod | how is everyone | 05:36 |
| Navi | Depends on your viewpoint | 05:36 |
| Navi | dospod, bored | 05:36 |
| esworp | so, does anyone else have trouble invoking tje thumbboard via the touchscreen? | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | my viewpoint is that i don't like being called names | 05:36 |
| dospod | navi it could be worse | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | esworp, just use the center dpad. | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | without a reason | 05:37 |
| dospod | wayyy worse | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reliable 100% of the time. | 05:37 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, and calling people names back helps? | 05:37 |
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| esworp | some apps interpret the centter butron for other stuff, making stylus-frree operation a pain. | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | navi: how would you react? | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thumb detection should be fixed in Diablo. | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, Skype's stupidity. | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've had some success double-tapping with the thumb to get the fullscreen keyboard. | 05:37 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, by not acknowledging their existence like I have you for the past few weeks. | 05:37 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, should be | 05:38 |
| Navi | Didn't bork up when I tried it | 05:38 |
| esworp | i use the hell out of gpe cal, and the button's mapped to something else. :( | 05:38 |
| dospod | all I got to say dont fight | 05:38 |
| dospod | seriously | 05:38 |
| dospod | cherish everything you have\ | 05:38 |
| dospod | it could be gone the next moment | 05:38 |
| dospod | just boom its gone | 05:38 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, you've called me a few names while you thought I /ignore'd you :P | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | navi, still, he acted arrogant, not i | 05:38 |
| Navi | Oh, you're always arrogant; You don't have to worry about that. | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | yes, i am, sometimes | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | but i know when i do it | 05:40 |
| Navi | Mhm | 05:40 |
| Navi | dospod, I'm fine with moments being gone | 05:40 |
| esworp | i'm just a casual visitor, and alway feel a bit of snarkiness from some users. not that i ever remember who they are. | 05:40 |
| Navi | S'not like it cares. | 05:41 |
| dospod | navi you may say that now | 05:41 |
| Navi | s/cares/matters/ | 05:41 |
| infobot | Navi meant: S'not like it matters. | 05:41 |
| dospod | seriously | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | dospod, you're too young to wax philosophical. :P | 05:41 |
| Navi | I've thought that for a long time. | 05:41 |
| dospod | I never thought just id miss just chillin with someone | 05:41 |
| dospod | GeneralAntilles I just lost my best friend | 05:41 |
| dospod | I went to ohio for his funeral yesterday | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ouch | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry to hear that. | 05:41 |
| dospod | yea | 05:41 |
| dospod | Ive lost people before | 05:41 |
| dospod | but this one hurt | 05:41 |
| Navi | Sorry for your loss | 05:42 |
| dospod | thanks | 05:42 |
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| Navi | I don't remember the stylus board ever coming up when I was messing with Diablo | 05:42 |
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| Navi | Well, when I switched to finger tap = thumb board anyways | 05:43 |
| Navi | even when I tapped with the stylus :/ | 05:43 |
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| dospod | is diablo look any cleaner | 05:43 |
| Navi | center button on the rocker brought up the stylus board | 05:43 |
| Navi | Looks the same as it is now | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | dospod, it's a bugfix upgrade. | 05:44 |
| dospod | : \ | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's GOOD. | 05:44 |
| Navi | I'm judging off an old alpha build, so I don't really know much :P | 05:44 |
| dospod | I know | 05:44 |
| dospod | but Im attracted to a good looking ui | 05:44 |
| Navi | It looks all right the way it is now | 05:44 |
| esworp | i /never/ use the stylus board. seems like a waste, really. | 05:44 |
| dospod | I still wish we could change the layout to what the mock up for ubuntu mobile looks like | 05:45 |
| Navi | We just need some talented themers | 05:45 |
| Navi | esworp, then Diablo should be good for you | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Echo looks a helluva lot better than any previous ITOS release's default theme. | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | dospod, it's hardware accelerated. | 05:45 |
| esworp | what's it's ETA? | 05:45 |
| Navi | the stylus board doesn't pop up | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | and, as far as I can tell from the videos and such, not very useful. | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | esworp, "Q2 2008" | 05:45 |
| dospod | I like the ui | 05:45 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, remember what it was replaced by? | 05:45 |
| esworp | :/ | 05:45 |
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| Navi | Some orange crap :P | 05:45 |
| dospod | and I know its hildon also | 05:45 |
| * Navi hopes Echo stays in the next release | 05:46 | |
| Navi | I don't really like orange | 05:46 |
| dospod | http://www.ubuntu.com/files/u1/html-small.jpg that does look clean | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | esworp, pay attention to the Modest progress. | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's gonna be a decent way to tell how close we are. | 05:46 |
| Navi | dospod, looks like Ubuntu Mobile. | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi, at worst you can just package it from Chinook. | 05:47 |
| Navi | Or android | 05:47 |
| dospod | it is ubuntu mobile | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | no transparency? | 05:47 |
| dospod | and I like the way they made it look | 05:47 |
| Navi | I've tried the Ubuntu Mobile UI PoC | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | or it's just black wallpaper? | 05:47 |
| dospod | http://www.ubuntu.com/files/u1/clutter-small.jpg | 05:47 |
| dospod | thats clean also | 05:47 |
| Navi | At least I hope it's just a proof of concept | 05:47 |
| esworp | 'modest'? | 05:47 |
| Navi | It's an unbearably slow UI | 05:47 |
| Navi | The transitions were flashy, but unneeded | 05:48 |
| dospod | the way they made it look is nice | 05:48 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, the interface of Ubuntu Mobile is just a flash interface at the moment :P | 05:49 |
| dospod | I thought it was hildon? | 05:49 |
| Navi | I don't know if they're going to keep it. | 05:49 |
| esworp | antilles, what is Modest? | 05:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | New email client for Diablo. | 05:49 |
| Navi | dospod, the screenshot you showed is the flash interface. | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has weekly beta releases. | 05:49 |
| Navi | The clutter interface is a bit better | 05:50 |
| Navi | not by much, though | 05:50 |
| dospod | but arent they all based on hildon | 05:50 |
| dospod | either way they all look great | 05:50 |
| Navi | Hildon UI styled apps, sure | 05:50 |
| Navi | but the UI isn't hildon-desktop :P | 05:51 |
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| dospod | :( I was under the impression the ui was hildon | 05:51 |
| Navi | It is >_> | 05:51 |
| dospod | ok now im confused | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hildon UI != hildon-desktop | 05:51 |
| dospod | but then again today has been sooo weird | 05:51 |
| Navi | I'm as confused as you are | 05:51 |
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| * GeneralAntilles hands Navi a new fork. | 05:52 | |
| Navi | Eh | 05:53 |
| Navi | I don't want to draw another navi | 05:53 |
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| dospod | has anyone played numpty physics? | 05:53 |
| Navi | Me | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully the in-game level repository idea pans out. | 05:54 |
| dospod | its fun | 05:54 |
| dospod | but kinda difficult | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pause! | 05:54 |
| * Navi shrugs | 05:54 | |
| esworp | numpty rawks | 05:55 |
| shapr | Yeah, it's way cool. | 05:55 |
| dospod | indeed it is | 05:56 |
| Redline` | I read from one of the pages related to the moz mobile that hardware accel on the 810 is enabled? is this true? | 05:56 |
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| shapr | Ookay, I'm ready to try to install scratchbox again for maemo development, and I'm on debian/unstable - amd64 | 05:56 |
| Redline` | I thought the video chip on the N8x0 was still disabled | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | What sort of accel, Redline`? | 05:56 |
| Redline` | video | 05:56 |
| dospod | and does anyone know if kde is ever going to be updated | 05:56 |
| KotCzarny | redline: link ? | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3d or IVA? | 05:56 |
| Redline` | sec | 05:56 |
| dospod | It seems like no work on the project is not being worked on | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, either way, the only hardware acceleration is the DSP. | 05:57 |
| Navi | dospod, on Mozilla Mobile? | 05:57 |
| Redline` | it was in reference to accel of video streams | 05:57 |
| dospod | nope it seems kde was dropped | 05:57 |
| Redline` | http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/ | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk to penguinbait, dospod. | 05:58 |
| Redline` | "If you want to play a video you should make sure that you’ve encoded it for the N810 using a decent script to take advantage of the hardware accel on the device." | 05:58 |
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| KotCzarny | heh | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | so wrong | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:58 |
| Redline` | I read that as was like WTF? | 05:58 |
| Redline` | Thought so. | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe they mean pixel doubling? | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | unless it's something new | 06:00 |
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| KotCzarny | gst support is nice for mozilla though | 06:01 |
| Redline` | yeah. looks nice. | 06:02 |
| lopz | re | 06:02 |
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| Proteous | I WANT VIDEO PLAYBACK HARDWARE ACCELLL ON MY DEVICE | 06:08 |
| Navi | ZOMG | 06:08 |
| Redline` | oh my. | 06:08 |
| Proteous | heh | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then get to work! | 06:08 |
| Proteous | ... | 06:08 |
| Navi | Proteous, doo eet | 06:08 |
| Proteous | get to work adding a hardware chip to my 770? | 06:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shouting a request for something is a good as volunteering in my book! | 06:09 |
| dospod | wouldnt it be cool if we could you the sd slot for hardware acceleration | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | dospod, <_< | 06:09 |
| Proteous | to bad the bottleneck is farther upstream | 06:09 |
| esworp | screw video accel... i want a laser projected keyboard. ;p | 06:09 |
| dospod | It would be cool | 06:09 |
| dospod | just add in the sd card in the internal memory slot in the n800 | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | esworp, have you ever used one? | 06:10 |
| dospod | and bam video hardware acceleration | 06:10 |
| dospod | would be awesome | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't work quite like that. :P | 06:10 |
| Proteous | laser projected keyboard, bah, I don't want to have to prop my IT device on a table to type on it | 06:10 |
| esworp | nah, i imagiine it's frustratiingo | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's awful. | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | dospod, starting with the fact that we don't have SDIO | 06:10 |
| Navi | It hurts | 06:10 |
| Proteous | people bitch and complain about their laptop keyboard keys not having enough throw. imagine now tactile feedback at all | 06:11 |
| shapr | I found a neat solution... | 06:11 |
| Proteous | s/now/no | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/HP_PhotoSmart_SDIO_Kamera.jpg | 06:11 |
| shapr | tape an N800 onto a kinesis keyboard | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's our solution to the webcam problem. :P | 06:11 |
| dospod | General antilles is jealous he didnt think of my idea: ) | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | shapr, here's my solution: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/ultimatelaptop.jpg | 06:11 |
| dospod | but i think it would be cool if sd was used to expand mobile devices more | 06:12 |
| dospod | insted of wifi | 06:12 |
| shapr | GeneralAntilles: Yup, that's very close to my idea :-) | 06:12 |
| shapr | GeneralAntilles: Does that really work? | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really well. | 06:12 |
| shapr | I have a usb keyboard with built-in hub, I'd like to attach it to my n800. | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aside from the fact that you have to screw with dbus to get the vkb back. | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/dbus/gconf/ | 06:13 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Aside from the fact that you have to screw with gconf to get the vkb back. | 06:13 |
| shapr | wah | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | shapr, you should order up one of jolouis's OTG adaptors. | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or make your own. | 06:13 |
| Navi | you could grab an f-to-f | 06:13 |
| shapr | oooh! | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1781 | 06:14 |
| shapr | I have a spare kinesis keyboard.. I think I'll drill a big hole in the center and permanently stick a NIT in there. | 06:14 |
| shapr | Out of Stock :-) | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | "2-4 days" | 06:15 |
| Navi | Oh | 06:15 |
| Navi | I got that from Mara for five bucks | 06:15 |
| Navi | o_o | 06:15 |
| Navi | It's kinda retarded | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Retarded? | 06:16 |
| shapr | I wonder if my kinesis requires power... | 06:16 |
| Navi | 'cuz the female USB part isn't covered by plastic | 06:16 |
| Navi | And is squished easily | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is on mine. | 06:16 |
| lopz | mm. GeneralAntilles for SUB host in n800 ? | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Both of mine. | 06:16 |
| Navi | In that picture and on mine it isn't | 06:16 |
| Navi | :P | 06:16 |
| lopz | s/SUB/USB | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an OTG adaptor | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | so you don't have to worry about switching software-side. | 06:17 |
| lopz | wow. 6 $ | 06:17 |
| Navi | Really? | 06:17 |
| lopz | yrp | 06:17 |
| lopz | yep* | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | + shipping | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:17 |
| Navi | I was asking about what GeneralAntilles said | 06:17 |
| Navi | I grabbed one from Mara for five | 06:18 |
| Navi | no shipping \o/ | 06:18 |
| Navi | Well, unless you count gas monies | 06:18 |
| lopz | mm arg. I from Bolivia country ::( | 06:18 |
| shapr | I'm in Boston! | 06:19 |
| shapr | Any other internet tableteers in Boston? | 06:19 |
| dospod | I want to go to boston | 06:20 |
| shapr | Boston is a nice place. | 06:22 |
| shapr | I miss living in Stockholm though. | 06:22 |
| dospod | I lived in texas my whole life | 06:22 |
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| shapr | I've lived in three countries and .. at least twelve US states. | 06:23 |
| KotCzarny | and in internet | 06:23 |
| este_ | is indt.org a school or a business ? | 06:23 |
| dospod | wow shapr | 06:23 |
| shapr | I think it's a brazilian research center funded by nokia. | 06:23 |
| shapr | dospod: Downside of moving so much is that I don't own much stuff, and I don't have many friends nearby. I also don't have a girlfriend. | 06:24 |
| * Navi lives in Texas | 06:24 | |
| este_ | research center.... so... they are paid to do work for nokia or they are maybe a dept inside a school ? | 06:24 |
| shapr | este_: http://www.indt.org.br/ - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia | 06:24 |
| dospod | shapr girl friends are nice | 06:25 |
| dospod | ecspecially girls from texas | 06:25 |
| shapr | heh | 06:25 |
| dospod | I havent seen to many good lookin girls up north | 06:25 |
| shapr | I like girls from outside of the US. | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | este_, I don't think it has anything to do with education. | 06:25 |
| dospod | but then again I dont stay long up north | 06:25 |
| dospod | only a week at most | 06:25 |
| este_ | I know their site, it just doesn't explain to me who they are (really) | 06:26 |
| shapr | Ask google | 06:26 |
| este_ | yea funny | 06:26 |
| shapr | Seriously | 06:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | este_, they do research work for Nokia. | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're also responsible for a whole shitton of software on the tablets. | 06:26 |
| shapr | yup | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most notably Canola | 06:27 |
| este_ | Really ? You think irc is my first choice for info ? | 06:27 |
| shapr | este_: Whatever dude, just trying to be helpful. | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | But also a ton of library and backend stuff. | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Python, too. | 06:27 |
| este_ | I know they are, I'm curious as to WHY they are... I'm guessing now its money | 06:27 |
| Navi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instituto_Nokia_de_Tecnologia | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instituto_Nokia_de_Tecnologia | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whore! | 06:27 |
| Navi | I win! | 06:27 |
| shapr | este_: Already seen that page? | 06:27 |
| este_ | yes actually | 06:28 |
| shapr | este_: Sounds to me like you need to learn to use Google efficiently :-) | 06:28 |
| este_ | It seems to me that its a drug money laundering front that happens to be quite good a coding | 06:28 |
| shapr | hah | 06:28 |
| KotCzarny | este, /join #canola then | 06:29 |
| este_ | I talked to someone their about modifying CarMan but the conversation got dropped | 06:29 |
| este_ | I didn't know if they're services were supposed to be bought or not | 06:30 |
| KotCzarny | 'their' | 06:31 |
| Navi | Who knows if they are services. | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | My guess is that they are AI. | 06:31 |
| este_ | yea, firefox has spoiled me on spellchecking | 06:32 |
| Navi | :D | 06:32 |
| Navi | Well, you didn't spell anything wrong, really. | 06:32 |
| este_ | good point | 06:32 |
| este_ | Ok, last question, whats EFL ? They apparently like it over pygame and sdl | 06:32 |
| Navi | Most IRC clients have some sort of spell checking though | 06:32 |
| * KotCzarny never uses spellchecking | 06:33 | |
| * KotCzarny uses brain | 06:33 | |
| * doc|home uses spellchecking, never uses brain | 06:33 | |
| Navi | EFL is Enlightenment's graphical library | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | brain > spellchecking | 06:33 |
| este_ | nevermind I just figured out that efl is enlightenment | 06:33 |
| doc|home | brain.effort >> spellchecking.effort | 06:33 |
| Navi | Well, graphical library colection | 06:33 |
| KotCzarny | no pain, no gain | 06:33 |
| este_ | you guys have an opinion on efl/enli | 06:33 |
| este_ | ? | 06:33 |
| Navi | I use E17 on the desktop | 06:34 |
| doc|home | KotCzarny: there's gain in using your brain? umpossible! | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 06:34 |
| doc|home | :D | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | apparently | 06:34 |
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| * doc|home is of course joking | 06:34 | |
| KotCzarny | i only know that not using a brain is deadly | 06:34 |
| este_ | I can't seem to find too much on e17 | 06:34 |
| doc|home | in fact, while I knew that umpossible was spelt incorrectly, I didn't even notice whether or not xchat flagged it | 06:34 |
| Navi | este_, that's because it's in a sort of infinite alpha state. | 06:35 |
| KotCzarny | capture the flag! | 06:35 |
| este_ | So.... elightenment is all python graphical lib ? | 06:35 |
| Navi | EFL has python bindings. | 06:35 |
| * KotCzarny gibs doc | 06:35 | |
| este_ | ah, thats why then | 06:35 |
| este_ | oh, so python + whatever | 06:36 |
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| este_ | are pygame and sdl 'that' bad that its better to design something new ? | 06:37 |
| KotCzarny | e17 isn't new | 06:37 |
| Navi | Of course not | 06:37 |
| este_ | ... meh i'm all sorts of confused | 06:37 |
| dick-richardson | or that good | 06:37 |
| KotCzarny | apparently | 06:38 |
| este_ | ah | 06:38 |
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| Navi | pygame has it's uses | 06:38 |
| Navi | mostly for using python + sdl | 06:39 |
| Navi | >_> | 06:39 |
| este_ | I ask because I'm interested in carman which uses GTK for plain/text views and pygame/sdl for a nicer display | 06:39 |
| Navi | EFL allows for nice animations and transitions on low spec hardware without needing any acceleration | 06:39 |
| este_ | doesn't OMAP have acceleration ? | 06:39 |
| KotCzarny | no drivers | 06:39 |
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| este_ | How about that, | 06:40 |
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| este_ | well... thats a good start for me I think | 06:41 |
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| mikedep333 | hey, it looks like I can only read some of my SMB shares from my windows xp box | 07:33 |
| mikedep333 | they all have like the same permissions (everyone can read, everyone includes guest) | 07:33 |
| * Proteous looks around for the "WE FIX WINDOWS PROBLEMS!!!!!!111!!" sign | 07:34 | |
| * KotCzarny whistles innocently not telling anything about the card on protesous' back | 07:35 | |
| Proteous | heh | 07:36 |
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| este_ | funny | 07:41 |
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| johnx | mikedep333, are the shares password protected? | 08:07 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 08:14 |
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| gkanai | Can someone help me with an upgrade to os2008 on Linux? | 08:25 |
| johnx | what's the problem? | 08:25 |
| gkanai | so I've downloaded the flasher and the bin. I've chmod-ed and unpacked the bin. Then the OS crashed on me. So I'm not sure if the unpacking was complete or not. | 08:26 |
| gkanai | I've tried the next few steps and they dont seem to work. | 08:26 |
| johnx | maybe I'm confused...All you have to do is download the .bin and use the flasher to flash it? | 08:27 |
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| johnx | What guide are you following? | 08:27 |
| johnx | (that first comment shouldn't have ended in a "?") | 08:27 |
| gkanai | http://www.cnet.com/8301-13739_1-9816300-46.html | 08:28 |
| johnx | that's for the beta | 08:28 |
| gkanai | aha | 08:28 |
| johnx | no need to do things the hard way anymore | 08:28 |
| gkanai | is there a better guide? | 08:28 |
| johnx | there's a genuine Nokia approved N800 release | 08:28 |
| gkanai | ok, so just run the flasher? | 08:29 |
| johnx | yeah, let me find the guide | 08:29 |
| johnx | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ | 08:29 |
| johnx | one command, super easy :) | 08:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, good, they did update the article with a note. | 08:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I emailed them about it about a month ago. | 08:29 |
| gkanai | johnx: thx | 08:30 |
| gkanai | i'll give it a go. | 08:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | gkanai, you didn't notice the note, or the strikethrough? <_< | 08:30 |
| gkanai | I didnt come across this page :( | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | remember the site: maemo.org | 08:31 |
| gkanai | thx | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | it has apps, howtos, links | 08:31 |
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| gkanai | gotta wait until the battery charges... | 08:34 |
| gkanai | how long does it take? | 08:34 |
| KotCzarny | around 3h for me | 08:34 |
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| gkanai | seriously? | 08:34 |
| KotCzarny | 'for me' | 08:35 |
| johnx | well how much charge does it have? | 08:36 |
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| gkanai | not sure- it just says "charging" | 08:37 |
| gkanai | oh, ok, er, 10 days idle, in use 5 hrs | 08:37 |
| johnx | yeah, it's mostly charged :) | 08:38 |
| gkanai | ok, then I'll start | 08:38 |
| gkanai | er, so Terminal still says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" even though the device is plugged in... when do I start seeing the "messages as the image loads to the N800 after which it reboots automatically"? | 08:42 |
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| johnx | unplug tablet from power and usb, turn off tablet, start flasher, plug tablet in via usb, turn on tablet while holding home | 08:42 |
| gkanai | held down the home button and it's at the update screen with the Nokia logo and the USB mark in the upper right corner | 08:43 |
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| johnx | did you run flasher as root? | 08:44 |
| johnx | you'll need to on some linux distros | 08:44 |
| gkanai | er, sudo? | 08:44 |
| gkanai | I'm on ubuntu | 08:44 |
| gkanai | 7.10 | 08:44 |
| johnx | sudo is fine | 08:44 |
| gkanai | ok I'll retry, I didnt previously | 08:44 |
| tank-man | you dont need root, jsut a user that can access usb | 08:44 |
| johnx | tank-man, and for many, that user is root... | 08:45 |
| gkanai | sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 08:45 |
| gkanai | is that right? | 08:46 |
| johnx | sounds good | 08:46 |
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| gkanai | so should i start seeing messages immediately? | 08:47 |
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| gkanai | it still says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" | 08:47 |
| johnx | you should start seeing various messages as soon as you plug in the usb cable | 08:48 |
| gkanai | hmm. that's not happening | 08:48 |
| RickedRoger | Check out my ad! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/tag/638144159.html (quick before they flag!). | 08:48 |
| tank-man | you should see msgs after you turn on the n8x0 while holding the home key | 08:48 |
| tank-man | flashing total time is like about 1 min | 08:49 |
| RickedRoger | Check out my ad! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/tag/638144159.html (quick before they flag!). | 08:49 |
| johnx | sorry, tank-man is right, you should see it when you turn the N800 on, not when you plug in USB | 08:49 |
| gkanai | yeah, neither is happening. | 08:49 |
| gkanai | what am I doing wrong? | 08:49 |
| johnx | is it connected through a hub? Apparently that can be a problem sometimes | 08:50 |
| gkanai | nope, directly | 08:50 |
| tank-man | is your device possibly in host (otg?) mode | 08:50 |
| gkanai | how can I tell? | 08:50 |
| johnx | gkanai, if you don't specifically remember changing it to host mode, it's not in host mode | 08:50 |
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| gkanai | this was given to me yesterday, so I dont know what was done to it previously, but I doubt it? | 08:51 |
| gkanai | it's got the very first os on it, fwiw. | 08:51 |
| tank-man | i think this is how to tell, cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 08:51 |
| johnx | if it's running OS2007 then it's not in host mode | 08:51 |
| gkanai | 2006-something. | 08:51 |
| gkanai | yeah, its running 0s2007 | 08:51 |
| gkanai | cat: /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode: No such file or directory | 08:52 |
| johnx | gkanai, it's unplugged from power while you're trying to flash it, correct? | 08:52 |
| gkanai | yes | 08:52 |
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| johnx | instead of holding home you could do this instead: unplug from power+usb, start flasher, plug in usb, plug in power | 08:53 |
| gkanai | ok, let me try that | 08:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure how that'll change things, johnx. :P | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you start up with the Home key it'll at least wait for you so you can screw around software-side if need be. | 08:54 |
| johnx | any ideas, then, GeneralAntilles? | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get it waiting and play with the flasher. | 08:55 |
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| gkanai | nope, "Suitable USB device not found..." | 08:55 |
| johnx | All I can think of is to tell him keep trying, it will probably, eventually work... | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | gkanai, make sure it's unplugged and off, plug in the USB, hold down the Home key and power it on. | 08:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll have the USB symbol up in the upper right | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | then run the flasher. | 08:56 |
| johnx | sometimes these things are incredibly finicky to get flashed... | 08:56 |
| gkanai | ok, flasher after then. | 08:56 |
| gkanai | same error :( | 08:58 |
| gkanai | gen@ubuntu:~$ sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 08:58 |
| gkanai | flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) | 08:58 |
| gkanai | SW version in image: RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_MR0 | 08:58 |
| gkanai | Image 'kernel', size 1529984 bytes | 08:58 |
| gkanai | Version 2.6.21.0-200749osso2 | 08:58 |
| gkanai | Image 'initfs', size 1954560 bytes | 08:58 |
| gkanai | Version 0.95-70 | 08:58 |
| gkanai | Image 'rootfs', size 137625600 bytes | 08:58 |
| gkanai | Version RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_MR0 | 08:58 |
| gkanai | Image '2nd', size 8192 bytes | 08:58 |
| gkanai | Valid for RX-34: 1301, 1302, 1501, 1502, 1503, 1504, 1601, 1602 | 08:58 |
| gkanai | Version 1.1.11-1 | 08:59 |
| gkanai | Image 'xloader', size 9088 bytes | 08:59 |
| gkanai | Valid for RX-34: 1301, 1302, 1501, 1502, 1503, 1504, 1601, 1602 | 08:59 |
| gkanai | Version 1.1.11-1 | 08:59 |
| gkanai | Image 'secondary', size 98432 bytes | 08:59 |
| gkanai | Valid for RX-34: 1301, 1302, 1501, 1502, 1503, 1504, 1601, 1602 | 08:59 |
| gkanai | Version 1.1.11-1 | 08:59 |
| gkanai | Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 08:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does it mount the cards when it's plugged in with USB when it's booted? | 09:00 |
| gkanai | hmm... the SD memory cards you mean? | 09:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 09:00 |
| gkanai | testing... | 09:01 |
| gkanai | erm, no, I dont think so? | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, something's wrong then. | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try a different USB cable? | 09:03 |
| gkanai | there's 2 SD slots, the one inside the battery cover and the one in the bottom of the device | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or a different machine? | 09:03 |
| johnx | when you plug it into your desktop via usb, the desktop should see both the internal and external card readers | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mount them on the computer. | 09:04 |
| gkanai | ok, will try | 09:04 |
| gkanai | do the two SD slots have different usages? | 09:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not particularly | 09:04 |
| johnx | kinda, sorta, not really | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | The internal can be used for swap. | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardware wise they're not any different. | 09:05 |
| johnx | the GUI app will only let you creat a swap file on the internal | 09:05 |
| gkanai | ok | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Map" defaults to internal for storage. | 09:05 |
| johnx | and some apps are hard-wired to store things on the internal or external card | 09:05 |
| gkanai | hmm yeah I've tried both slots... | 09:06 |
| gkanai | and nothing | 09:06 |
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| johnx | the computer doesn't react at all when you plug it in to usb? | 09:07 |
| johnx | want to post your dmesg to pastebin? | 09:07 |
| gkanai | hmm, yeah I'm trying this card on my expresscard32 reader on my MBP and it OS X doesnt see it | 09:08 |
| gkanai | maybe my card is bad | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try flashing using the OS X machine? | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just grab flasher-2.0.macosx | 09:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everything else is the same. | 09:09 |
| gkanai | oh really? | 09:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would Ubuntu happen to be in VMWare? | 09:09 |
| gkanai | yes, Parallels | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would explain it. | 09:10 |
| johnx | ahahahaha | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29 | 09:10 |
| johnx | alright, that's the kind of thing we'd like to hear about first :) | 09:10 |
| gkanai | doh, i'm terribly sorry! | 09:11 |
| * GeneralAntilles slaps gkanai around with a rainbow trout. :P | 09:11 | |
| johnx | good guess, GeneralAntilles :) | 09:11 |
| gkanai | ouch! | 09:11 |
| gkanai | I prefer salmon | 09:11 |
| gkanai | ok so where can I get the Mac launcher? | 09:11 |
| johnx | same directory as the linux flasher | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php | 09:11 |
| tank-man | is parallels so awesome that you did not think it to be the problem right away? | 09:14 |
| gkanai | is there a Flasher for Intel-Mac? | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use the ppc one | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | it works fine under Rosetta. | 09:15 |
| gkanai | oh OK | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | tank-man, it actually shouldn't be a problem. | 09:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You'd just have to enable that USB device for the vm. | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I haven't used Parallels (or even VMWare) particularly extensively, though, so I don't recall exactly how. | 09:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles is PPC. | 09:15 | |
| gkanai | ok, er, its only 192k? | 09:16 |
| zerodegre | hey guys , is there a NES emu that works well for the N810????? | 09:17 |
| johnx | zerodegre, yeah, the one on ITT works pretty well. I forgot it's name | 09:17 |
| zerodegre | ITT? | 09:17 |
| gkanai | so how do I run this flasher under OSX? | 09:17 |
| johnx | internettablettalk.com/forums | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | zerodegre: check pupnik.de | 09:17 |
| johnx | gkanai, exactly the same way as the Linux flasher | 09:18 |
| gkanai | ok | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | gkanai, you'll want to pull the .bin off of the vm image. | 09:18 |
| gkanai | willdo, I'm going to switch over to OS X, brb | 09:21 |
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| gkanai | ok, I'm back | 09:25 |
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| johnx | did it work gkanai ? | 09:33 |
| gkanai | I'm re-downloading the binaries from Nokia | 09:34 |
| johnx | ah, you don't need to | 09:35 |
| gkanai | how do I access the .bin on the Ubuntu partition? | 09:36 |
| gkanai | I'm also not seeing the USB cards in OS X... | 09:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You should be able to just drag and drop it from Ubuntu. | 09:36 |
| gkanai | hmm tried that, didnt work | 09:37 |
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| rm_you | hey johnx :P | 09:39 |
| johnx | yo | 09:39 |
| * rm_you says hey randomly a lot :P | 09:39 | |
| rm_you | thinking about opening up my n800 in the next couple of days to try to figure out what's loose | 09:39 |
| rm_you | and fix it | 09:39 |
| johnx | it's under warranty, right? | 09:40 |
| johnx | send it the heck back | 09:40 |
| rm_you | so i can use the damn thing again | 09:40 |
| johnx | seriously | 09:40 |
| gkanai | ok i now see both cards :) | 09:40 |
| rm_you | dunno >_> | 09:40 |
| rm_you | bought it late last july | 09:40 |
| rm_you | but used from ITT forums <_< | 09:40 |
| rm_you | so i dont have a receipt | 09:40 |
| johnx | you don't need one... | 09:40 |
| rm_you | well, the site says "probably out of warranty" and that i'd need one <_< | 09:40 |
| johnx | ah | 09:41 |
| johnx | lame :/ | 09:41 |
| rm_you | though i might be able to get em to do it over the phone | 09:41 |
| rm_you | if i just said i lost it | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I would try before you open it. :P | 09:41 |
| rm_you | do they actually expect everyone to hang onto receipts for a year? >_> | 09:41 |
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| gkanai | so do I re-name this file .app for OS X? | 09:42 |
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| johnx | gkanai, you run the flasher from the command line...just like in Linux | 09:42 |
| gkanai | ok | 09:42 |
| * rm_you sleeps | 09:42 | |
| * johnx is tired too... | 09:43 | |
| johnx | 'night rm_you | 09:43 |
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| gkanai | crap, I gotta run to a mtg, bb in 30 mins and will re-try then | 09:47 |
| gkanai | ok i have a few more minutes and its working!!! | 09:53 |
| johnx | w00! | 09:53 |
| gkanai | WOOOT IS CORRRECT! | 09:53 |
| gkanai | ok that's it? | 09:53 |
| johnx | nothing like using an OS that has access to the physical USB ports | 09:53 |
| johnx | yup | 09:53 |
| johnx | it's fast | 09:53 |
| johnx | and I think sometimes it prints a weird error at the end, so don't worry about that | 09:53 |
| gkanai | ok, now I really gotta run to my mtg | 09:54 |
| gkanai | THANK YOU #maemo!!! | 09:54 |
| johnx | sure. have fun. :) | 09:54 |
| gkanai | esp. johnx and Gen.Ant | 09:54 |
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| KotCzarny | my name is #maemo, resistance is futile, you will be tabl0ized | 09:55 |
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| opendeep | Hello X_Fade_ | 10:42 |
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| msh_ | VERSION | 10:50 |
| msh_ | anyone run an irc client on their tablet? | 10:51 |
| qwerty12 | Yeh, there's the ircomm upgrade, x-chat and pidgin. There's also irssi but I found it unstable. | 10:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 10:52 |
| msh_ | ah, cool | 10:52 |
| msh_ | xterm irssi is kind of awkward | 10:53 |
| Proteous | ... | 10:55 |
| Proteous | if by awkward you mean amazingly great then I agree | 10:55 |
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| Proteous | awkward like tony hawk on a skateboard will work too | 10:56 |
| Proteous | awkward like a spider in it's web | 10:56 |
| Proteous | its | 10:56 |
| Proteous | bah | 10:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | its . . . not worth it. :P | 10:56 |
| Proteous | yeah :/ | 10:56 |
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| dpb_ | I use the terminal to ssh to my server with screen/irssi | 10:57 |
| dpb_ | It's quite usable | 10:57 |
| Proteous | the only thing that makes irssi awkward on my 770 is the lack of a slide out keyboard :p | 10:58 |
| asha | if only there was a hardware escape or meta key | 11:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Escape = back | 11:01 |
| gkanai|away | ok, I'm back :) | 11:05 |
| keesj | asha: the escape it the button (under the hacker xterm anyway) | 11:05 |
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| gkanai | what should I install if I just installed os2008? | 11:05 |
| keesj | gkanai: on what hardware | 11:06 |
| asha | keesj, i did but it's too far to move a thumb | 11:06 |
| gkanai | n800 | 11:06 |
| msh_ | just things like switching channels etc, it'd be easier to just tap a channel tab | 11:07 |
| msh_ | and have privmsgs trigger the notify thing | 11:08 |
| msh_ | and urls be clickable (that's just a xterm issue i know) | 11:08 |
| keesj | msh_: yes the hacker xterm has buttons on the right form "control-p" control-n and also screen controls control-a-n and such | 11:12 |
| keesj | I have not used it for a while | 11:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | gkanai, Canola, FBReader, Maemo Mapper, Doom, Quake I/II, Xchat, mplayer, x11vnc, OpenSSH, ScummVM, Vagalume, Numpty Physics, and mypaint. | 11:12 |
| msh_ | aha, that'd work well | 11:12 |
| keesj | http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm | 11:13 |
| gkanai | GeneralAntilles: cool, thank you for a great list | 11:13 |
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| gkanai | can I download apps via the browser or do I need to load them via USB? | 11:14 |
| inz | keesj, didn't someone compile that version for os2008? | 11:14 |
| keesj | inz: I don't know , I have not used it for a while I must confes | 11:15 |
| qwerty12 | I also <3 Transmission & gtk-gnutella | 11:15 |
| keesj | 2008 has this default xterm , so it is harder to compete against | 11:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | gkanai, gronmayer.com/it | 11:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Add the relevant repositories. | 11:15 |
| keesj | the hackers xterm should really become part of maemo | 11:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of them are available if you just enabled Extras. | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want Application manager. | 11:16 |
| inz | keesj, the version on os2008 is based on my version | 11:16 |
| inz | keesj, they just totally raped it ;) | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://sse2.net/xterm/ | 11:16 |
| keesj | hah | 11:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's that damn UI spec. | 11:16 |
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| keesj | inz: will you be at linuxtag? | 11:16 |
| inz | keesj, nope | 11:16 |
| gkanai | GeneralAntilles: wow | 11:17 |
| inz | keesj, unless you can make up some good reason why my employer would send me there ;) | 11:17 |
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| inz | General, yeah, UI specs are sometimes a bitch, but I think the first version was coded in too much hurry and is awfully ugly | 11:18 |
| keesj | first version of the specs? | 11:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | "sometimes" . . . mostly with maemo it seems to be "always". :P | 11:19 |
| inz | keesj, no first version of osso-xterm released by nokia | 11:19 |
| inz | keesj, or I'm not actually sure if they've released any newer ones | 11:19 |
| inz | keesj, I tried to fix it (and fix the uglyness from the source), but I've no idea if they used that code at all | 11:21 |
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| gkanai | does it matter which media you put on which SD card? | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do you mean? | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola indexing? | 11:28 |
| jani | GeneralAntilles: totally agree =) | 11:28 |
| gkanai | say I'm moving some mp3s over- do they go on the internal card or the other one? | 11:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whichever you want | 11:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't particularly matter. | 11:29 |
| gkanai | ok | 11:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I use my internal card for swap and additional boot partitions | 11:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | the external is the media dump | 11:29 |
| gkanai | I've moved a file over to the external card but I dont see it in File manager | 11:31 |
| gkanai | are these WWF photos default? | 11:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 11:36 |
| gkanai | do i need to format the SD cards? | 11:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't | 11:40 |
| gkanai | ah, you have to disconnect the usb... | 11:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 11:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't mount them in more than one place. ;) | 11:42 |
| gkanai | right- makes sense but isn't intuitive | 11:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 11:45 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:54 |
| AStorm | hello | 11:55 |
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| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/qemu-maemo-n800.png | 11:55 |
| AStorm | I've a question - where can I get the devel version of maemo for armel? (the one with full real coreutils etc.) | 11:56 |
| AStorm | I've my n810 prepared for multiboot now | 11:56 |
| hrw | what keeps you from installing normal coreutils? | 11:58 |
| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/qemu-maemo-n800-2.png tells more | 11:59 |
| AStorm | hrw, obviously, conflict with busybox | 12:00 |
| hrw | AStorm: force installation | 12:00 |
| AStorm | and it'll work? | 12:00 |
| hrw | AStorm: I reported bug on wrong busybox package | 12:00 |
| hrw | should | 12:01 |
| AStorm | mhm | 12:01 |
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| AStorm | the hack away | 12:01 |
| hrw | not a hack | 12:01 |
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| AStorm | btw, what are the flash speeds? (small, internal, external SDHC) | 12:01 |
| hrw | the only solution to broken maemo packaging | 12:01 |
| AStorm | mhm | 12:01 |
| AStorm | I'll better create a backup tarball first | 12:02 |
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| hrw | X-Fade: hi | 12:03 |
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| AStorm | ouch | 12:03 |
| AStorm | it tries to remove: | 12:03 |
| AStorm | busybox dpkg sysvinit | 12:04 |
| AStorm | sounds evil | 12:04 |
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| AStorm | it wants to remove too much | 12:05 |
| AStorm | "no longer relevant" e.g. osso-connectivity-ui | 12:06 |
| AStorm | :P | 12:06 |
| AStorm | dnsmasq, hal,etc :P | 12:06 |
| AStorm | so, what to do about it? (I'm talking live maemo) | 12:10 |
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| AStorm | wth does it try to drop 1/3 of the system? | 12:14 |
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| gkanai | if the browser stops loading pages for some reason (and I know the wifi AP is ok) what can I do to troubleshoot microB? | 12:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Restart the browser, reconnect to the ap, restart the device. | 12:35 |
| keesj | gkanai: what I done in the past in install webscarab on a pc and configure that as proxy server in connection settings | 12:35 |
| hrw | speaking of microb... does someone work on getting it updated to more recent Gecko? | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be in Diablo, hrw. | 12:36 |
| keesj | unique was not 100% happy about that aproach (I commented it in the bugtracker) | 12:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody could compile the latest svn if they wanted to test the updated engine. | 12:38 |
| gkanai | keesj: this is so you can watch the http traffic? | 12:38 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: Diablo? | 12:39 |
| hrw | ah.. | 12:40 |
| hrw | chinook+1 | 12:40 |
| qwerty12 | Is there any easy way of converting a diff file for an older version? I've been doing it by hand (finding lines etc), it works fine for a short youtube patch but not so great on a 500 KB IPv6 Kernel patch. | 12:40 |
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| gkanai | hm, so I restarted the device and now it browses. | 12:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either of the first two options work? | 12:44 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/qemu-maemo-n800-2.png may interest you maybe | 12:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the method? | 12:47 |
| hrw | qemu n800 emulation | 12:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be mildly interesting to package as a software demo. | 12:47 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: it is on a way to qemu mainline now | 12:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cool | 12:47 |
| hrw | development paid by Nokia, done by OpenedHand | 12:48 |
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| joyiou1 | Hi, can I develop my own media player on N810 ? | 12:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure! Why not? | 12:51 |
| joyiou1 | Using gstreamer and the alsa device on N810 ? | 12:51 |
| AStorm | if only qemu would build with gcc 4.x | 12:51 |
| qwerty12 | Shitfuck. I have 10,000 lines to convert of a patch and no promises it's gonna work. | 12:51 |
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| joyiou1 | Is there any difference between the N810 alsa device and the normal one ? | 12:52 |
| hrw | AStorm: I have gcc 3.4 and 4.2 in system | 12:52 |
| hrw | AStorm: 4.2 as default | 12:53 |
| AStorm | I had too | 12:53 |
| AStorm | guess I'll have to build the scratchbox | 12:53 |
| AStorm | but... I want a devel system on N810 too | 12:53 |
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| joyiou1 | Now i'm building my own gstreamer, and it got some problem in the clock | 12:55 |
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| florian | good morning | 13:10 |
| pupnik | If anyone has actually developed something on the device, i haven't heard of it. | 13:10 |
| pupnik | hi florian | 13:10 |
| qwerty12 | morning | 13:10 |
| florian | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/321850501ace52b4b59ab38f71ff5487.png | 13:10 |
| florian | Maemo Sync like it currently looks... | 13:11 |
| pupnik | it is for syncing what? | 13:11 |
| florian | pupnik: Whatever OpenSync supports - usually PIM data. | 13:11 |
| pupnik | cool | 13:12 |
| florian | Currently its use is limited, OpenSync 0.3x is not that stable yet and the lacking documentation of the new syncml plugin is a real showstopper. | 13:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan would be the one doing real development on-device, pupnik. | 13:13 |
| pupnik | neat | 13:13 |
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| florian | But they mention to have it working with "big iron" such as Scheduleworld... this will be pretty nice. | 13:14 |
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| pupnik | yes an important addition | 13:15 |
| pupnik | perhaps the most important? | 13:15 |
| pupnik | (pim stuff) | 13:16 |
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| florian | there is still a lot of work to do, but free time is limited - like always :-/ | 13:20 |
| AStorm | they should mod. both dates to support recurrence (release it, dammit) | 13:22 |
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| AStorm | and tasks to support the states from gpe-todo | 13:22 |
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| AStorm | and bind to alarmd | 13:22 |
| AStorm | when abiword is ready... it will be *the* office machine | 13:23 |
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| AStorm | btw, could someone provide a working vmware image of devel env? | 13:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ No? | 13:33 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I don't think many people are willing to upload a 2GB+ file | 13:33 |
| AStorm | tried it, couldn't build anything | 13:33 |
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| AStorm | tried to install stuff, apt failed | 13:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems to work fine for most people. | 13:34 |
| lcuk | astorm, i use the vmware image every day and it does have everything needed. however eclipse seemed quirky so i just use the console and target directly for armel instead of the xephyr emulator | 13:35 |
| lcuk | what did you need to install? | 13:35 |
| AStorm | tried that maemo-toolbox or something | 13:36 |
| AStorm | maybe it's another image... iNdT branded one, right? | 13:36 |
| lcuk | yer | 13:37 |
| lcuk | i just installed the chinook doofer by clicking on the desktop then run with the console on the desktop also | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | Anybody knows a place where to upload files where the people wont give a shit about licenses? Not warez but I'm not sure if I am allowed to distrobute something :/ | 13:37 |
| AStorm | mhm, I told you about my problem with it earlier | 13:37 |
| lcuk | that starts an sb session | 13:37 |
| AStorm | here it installed | 13:37 |
| lcuk | i enter the folder and can run make or whatever | 13:37 |
| AStorm | but not thee real maemo | 13:37 |
| AStorm | no, I can't :/ | 13:38 |
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| lcuk | astorm, what happens if you open the console, cd into sample_sources/chinook/c-samples and run make | 13:44 |
| AStorm | that works | 13:44 |
| AStorm | installing anything through apt doesn't | 13:44 |
| lcuk | are you trying to install things onto the actual ubuntu box or into the scratchbox session? | 13:45 |
| lcuk | ie, does it work from the gui system/addremove | 13:46 |
| AStorm | sbox | 13:46 |
| lcuk | it has got network access out and you can ping and connect to things cant you? | 13:47 |
| AStorm | yes | 13:47 |
| AStorm | I installed the environment as per howto | 13:48 |
| lcuk | hmm, i do remember something like this at the start. and something in the back of my head is saying apt-get update or clean or whatever the command is was needed | 13:48 |
| AStorm | hmmhmm | 13:49 |
| lcuk | it might not be specifically that but its ringing a bell now you said that | 13:49 |
| AStorm | I'll try random stuff | 13:49 |
| AStorm | once I get vmware running under 2.6.25 | 13:49 |
| lcuk | i know someone else had similar problem in here and i tried along with them and what they did was also failing on there but then it started working. i think on mine though it was connectivity | 13:49 |
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| lcuk | if i remember specifics ill let you know | 13:50 |
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| lcuk | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-15445.html | 13:51 |
| AStorm | let's see | 13:51 |
| AStorm | nah, I did copy resolv.conf | 13:52 |
| lcuk | so what hap[pens if you apt-get update | 13:53 |
| qwerty12 | Can you make rxvt open a different tty? I'm playing with a build I've got on my N800. | 13:53 |
| AStorm | lcuk: something "Installation failed" or so | 13:53 |
| AStorm | and the repo about provided-pkgs is invalid | 13:54 |
| AStorm | maemo-provided or so | 13:54 |
| AStorm | that file doesn't exist | 13:54 |
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| lcuk | not sure without specifics if you pastebin the messages someone may have seen and point you in the right direction. ive gotta get back to dayjob | 13:57 |
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| AStorm | I'll get them | 13:57 |
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| AStorm | still, I'd love to get a full devel env on the tablet itself | 13:59 |
| AStorm | even a Debian would do | 13:59 |
| AStorm | (powerlauncher anyone :) | 13:59 |
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| AStorm | link to "Debian on N8x0 howto" please? | 14:01 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=145303 | 14:01 |
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| AStorm | I'll probably use a custom desktop env. based on Xfce | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | This also may intrest you too http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6737 | 14:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | Hello :) | 14:02 |
| qwerty12 | AStorm, if you do try out the second link ,look here too http://khertan.net/softwares/pygtkeditor.php | 14:03 |
| AStorm | I do have the toolchain | 14:03 |
| AStorm | but not autotools, real sed or coreutils | 14:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | what s the problem with pygtkeditor ? | 14:04 |
| AStorm | none, but I like vim-7 better :) | 14:04 |
| qwerty12 | No problems, AStorm is on about compiling on tablet, I said to use pygtkeditor because its meant for programming imho | 14:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol really ? | 14:04 |
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| Khertan_n810 | vim-7 on a nit ... | 14:05 |
| AStorm | the trick is getting real coreutils in here | 14:05 |
| AStorm | VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 (2006 May 7, compiled Dec 18 2007 01:08:12) | 14:06 |
| AStorm | works well | 14:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | but is it really useable with the small keyboard ? | 14:06 |
| AStorm | close | 14:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 14:07 |
| AStorm | you need escape mappped | 14:07 |
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| Khertan_n810 | of course | 14:07 |
| inz | Escape is mapped | 14:07 |
| AStorm | yup, on the arrow button | 14:07 |
| Khertan_n810 | i ve never like vim ... but it s just a question of feeling | 14:08 |
| inz | It's just a question of learning | 14:08 |
| inz | ;) | 14:08 |
| Khertan_n810 | no no i know how to use it ... | 14:08 |
| lcuk | escape on 810 is in handy location already - tab should be mapped though to the dpad centre ;) | 14:08 |
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| AStorm | yup | 14:09 |
| AStorm | and you can do that with xmodmap | 14:09 |
| AStorm | :P | 14:09 |
| Khertan_n810 | but as an old mac user i found 'gui' too complex to use ... escape truc for many thing ... too many key to tape for many thigs | 14:09 |
| AStorm | left and right enter are different | 14:09 |
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| Khertan_n810 | +n | 14:10 |
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| AStorm | still, I need to rewrite keyb. layout for Polish, fihally | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | as i hate contextual menu ... it s just a feeling | 14:11 |
| AStorm | use fn+shift correctly | 14:11 |
| Khertan_n810 | and i found that having choice is a good thing users can choose what they prefers | 14:12 |
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| AStorm | yup | 14:12 |
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| Khertan_n810 | it s one of the things i like when using a gnu linux istribution | 14:13 |
| AStorm | that's why I use Gentoo :) | 14:13 |
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| Khertan_n810 | the best is however kOS :) | 14:13 |
| AStorm | blah, blah | 14:13 |
| AStorm | I need real devel | 14:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | my own :) just an lfs | 14:14 |
| Khertan_n810 | devel ? | 14:14 |
| AStorm | ah, no, too high maintenance | 14:14 |
| AStorm | did that for some time | 14:14 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i found i ve less maintainace than ubuntu that i fix at each update | 14:16 |
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| Khertan_n810 | must go back at work bye | 14:17 |
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| AStorm | btw, new evince doesn't explode with large pdfs anymore | 14:18 |
| AStorm | (or cause ooms) | 14:18 |
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| pupnik | is there a nifty keen way to cache a google book? | 14:24 |
| pupnik | for example http://books.google.com/books?id=UKIVcw8nrUcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=voluntary+city&ei=Hqb9R-6OG428zAT6kq2fBA&sig=-40ce2QA18mTqstMFEk0d2AggjU#PPP1,M1 "The Voluntary City: Choice, Community, and Civil Society" | 14:24 |
| AStorm | pupnik: httrack? | 14:27 |
| pupnik | hmm interesting | 14:27 |
| pupnik | i do think google tries to prevent that | 14:28 |
| AStorm | why? you can dump browser cache or save the websit | 14:28 |
| AStorm | *website | 14:28 |
| AStorm | or use some http proxy (there is one for maemo... check app-man) | 14:29 |
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| AStorm | hmm, will maemo detect any swap file, or does it haveto be on internal flash? (e.g.symlink) | 14:30 |
| AStorm | or do I have to mod fstab? | 14:31 |
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| AStorm | any way will do, blah | 14:33 |
| AStorm | still, I've a q | 14:33 |
| AStorm | is there a way to make gpe-calendar use alarmd? | 14:33 |
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| pupnik | sorry i don't know | 14:35 |
| AStorm | its crummy alarms don't have a sound | 14:35 |
| AStorm | if they did, it'd be ok | 14:35 |
| pupnik | hard to believe actually | 14:35 |
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| AStorm | ah, they do | 14:36 |
| AStorm | some weirdness :P | 14:36 |
| AStorm | still, alarmd is nicer | 14:36 |
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| inz | AStorm, alarmd doesn't actually do the alarms, it just tells systemui to show a dialog | 14:51 |
| AStorm | I know | 14:52 |
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| AStorm | do you know how to get locking in chr key? | 14:54 |
| AStorm | (want to use it as a modifier) | 14:55 |
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| AStorm | bonus points for locking ctrl | 14:55 |
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| KaaLinoin | what is chr anyway | 14:58 |
| AStorm | the key that shows the stupid char list | 14:59 |
| AStorm | it is level 8 modifier though, and can be used in ukeyboard | 14:59 |
| KaaLinoin | ill try.. ive been wonderin what it is.. :D | 15:00 |
| AStorm | I want to have it autoock | 15:00 |
| AStorm | like shift or fn | 15:00 |
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| AStorm | ofc mapping lvl 8 will disable the chr list | 15:00 |
| AStorm | but it is yucky anyway | 15:01 |
| KaaLinoin | how to lock fn? | 15:02 |
| AStorm | press it and it is locked | 15:02 |
| AStorm | reacts after you press another key, as opposed to holding | 15:03 |
| AStorm | double press and it is locked until it is pressed again | 15:03 |
| KaaLinoin | double press was what i was lookin for | 15:04 |
| AStorm | I want to enable that for ctrl and other modifiers too | 15:04 |
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| AStorm | ... some maemo-hacker, help? | 15:10 |
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| AStorm | hmm, now chr shows the screen keyboard with symbols, funny... | 15:38 |
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| AStorm | funny, it forgot that hw keyboard is extended | 15:40 |
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| termsig | guys any one know where i can find kismet for os2008? | 15:57 |
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| _maniac_ | Hello, is maemo suitable for other tablet pc? | 15:58 |
| AStorm | not directly | 15:59 |
| AStorm | you'd need to replace some drivers probably | 15:59 |
| AStorm | iff they're the same CPU | 15:59 |
| AStorm | if not, you're out of luck | 16:00 |
| johnx | _maniac_, you can run a limited sub-set on any Debian system. That will get you just the core open source parts | 16:00 |
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| AStorm | also, x server would have to be rebuilt | 16:00 |
| AStorm | as xserver-omap supports only powervr | 16:00 |
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| _maniac_ | oh... | 16:01 |
| _maniac_ | its not good | 16:01 |
| _maniac_ | any chances of getting linux work on toshiba portege 3500? | 16:01 |
| AStorm | approx. 0 | 16:02 |
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| glass | attach a usb dvd drive and pop in a livedvd and try? | 16:02 |
| AStorm | protege is x86 | 16:03 |
| AStorm | you could run the devel scratchbox on it though | 16:03 |
| _maniac_ | _any_linux_ that supports wacom digitiser and can rotate screen | 16:03 |
| glass | AStorm: the line said linux | 16:03 |
| johnx | yeah, it will probably work...google tells me that someone was doing that in 2003 | 16:04 |
| johnx | (running linux on a portege 3500) | 16:04 |
| AStorm | _maniac_: most do | 16:04 |
| AStorm | after you install wacom drivers | 16:04 |
| AStorm | Ubuntu supports that, i.e. | 16:04 |
| Navi | It's an x86 tablet PC | 16:04 |
| Navi | don't see why you can't :P | 16:05 |
| _maniac_ | ok. I'll try. thanks. | 16:05 |
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| johnx | O_o | 16:05 |
| AStorm | why did he end up here? :P | 16:06 |
| johnx | maybe googled for tablet and got maemo info | 16:06 |
| Navi | probably | 16:07 |
| AStorm | btw, any idea where can I configure sticky keys of maemo? | 16:07 |
| AStorm | :) | 16:07 |
| AStorm | want to add stickiness to ctrl and level5 shift | 16:07 |
| Navi | I kind of want a full tablet PC to draw on | 16:07 |
| Navi | but I don't gots teh moolah | 16:07 |
| AStorm | Navi: they're very expensive :/ | 16:08 |
| Navi | Plus, I suck at drawing anyways >_> | 16:08 |
| * Navi is out of practice | 16:08 | |
| AStorm | ... ;( where is thnat config of sticky keys... | 16:08 |
| AStorm | maybe it's X config or at-spi... | 16:08 |
| AStorm | no X config | 16:09 |
| AStorm | no option in hal | 16:10 |
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| Khertan | re | 16:13 |
| Veggen_ | Astorm: mmm, tell me when you find out the stickiness :) | 16:13 |
| AStorm | if I find it | 16:14 |
| Veggen_ | (I'll probably look for the answer myself, too, when I find the time) | 16:14 |
| AStorm | it is software definitely | 16:14 |
| Khertan | why all free xhtml/css web site template look like so the same with different colors ... | 16:14 |
| Khertan | ? | 16:14 |
| AStorm | done by hildon-input-method | 16:14 |
| Veggen_ | Astorm: They have done something very weird with the xkb stuff. I tried modifying the fisenoda layout, that's the one I use, and couldn't get it to work. | 16:15 |
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| Veggen_ | Then I copied the setup to the "de" layout, and there it worked. | 16:16 |
| AStorm | try ukeyboard, will you? | 16:16 |
| Veggen_ | ukeyboard? | 16:16 |
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| AStorm | yeah, google for it | 16:17 |
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| jott | i bet the stickiness is hidden in hildon-input-method-framework | 16:17 |
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| jott | it would be too easy for nokia to use xaccess | 16:18 |
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| johnx | way to easy. Don't ever acuse Nokia of taking the easy way out when it comes to just reusing someone else's open source code. :P | 16:19 |
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| AStorm | :P | 16:20 |
| AStorm | they should've just used at-spi | 16:20 |
| AStorm | as GNOME intended | 16:21 |
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| jott | but its hildon not gnome :P | 16:21 |
| AStorm | found a nice thing, hildon-im-xkbtool | 16:21 |
| AStorm | you can set typematic rate there | 16:21 |
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| AStorm | I'll try xmodmap stickiness options... | 16:25 |
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| AStorm | let's see how OLPC does that | 16:27 |
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| AStorm | it might be that they use accessX, but badly configures | 16:31 |
| jott | AStorm: just patch hildon-i-m-framework :> | 16:31 |
| AStorm | yeah sure | 16:32 |
| Khertan | what do u think of this two template ? http://www.webshapes.org/public/templates/200702244689405768/index_blue.html#, http://www.deepaurelia.com/templates/nature2/ | 16:32 |
| AStorm | rather disable it and just use accessx | 16:32 |
| AStorm | :P | 16:32 |
| jott | and patch Xomap to support accessx? :) | 16:33 |
| AStorm | all X servers since XFree86 3 support it | 16:33 |
| AStorm | unless they ripped support out | 16:33 |
| AStorm | :P | 16:33 |
| jott | well its kdrive not xorg/xfree86 who knows ;) | 16:33 |
| AStorm | I think the mod is done in some gtk config file | 16:34 |
| johnx | Khertan, I prefer the first. I run firefox at ~800 pixels wide on N800 and desktop, so having the content to the left looks better to me | 16:34 |
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| Khertan | johnx > good point ... menu on right | 16:36 |
| AStorm | I had once managed to get menu on right | 16:36 |
| Khertan | it s made it easy to display text ... but more difficult to navigate | 16:36 |
| AStorm | some weird situation | 16:36 |
| AStorm | it became movable somehow | 16:36 |
| jott | AStorm: after rotation it get moveable | 16:37 |
| Khertan | in fact i m still looking for something new ... mine is too grey ... | 16:37 |
| Khertan | more funny ... more web 2.0 ... more more :) | 16:37 |
| johnx | Khertan, well the other thing is that the first design (blue/grey) actually fits in my browser window, while the second has unused space on the left and thus requires horizontal scrolling... | 16:37 |
| Khertan | i'm still have no idea ... | 16:37 |
| Khertan | johnx > it s due to stupid fix center | 16:37 |
| AStorm | hmmhmm | 16:38 |
| Khertan | johnx > that could be easily fixed | 16:38 |
| johnx | it really seems like there just aren't that many good proportional templates out there... | 16:38 |
| Navi | web 2.0 is teh sux | 16:38 |
| AStorm | now my chr key stopped responding, lol | 16:38 |
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| Khertan | Navi > depends on what you name web 2.0 | 16:38 |
| Khertan | for me it s a progress ... | 16:38 |
| jott | AStorm: xomap seems to support accessx | 16:38 |
| Khertan | css2 / xhtml :) | 16:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm ready for Web 3.0! | 16:39 |
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| AStorm | jott: whee | 16:39 |
| Khertan | for other it s just stupid social web site ... | 16:39 |
| Navi | Khertan, pfft, css2 is depreciated. css3 \o/ | 16:39 |
| jott | probably has to be started with +accessx | 16:39 |
| AStorm | now we only have to mod hildon-input-method | 16:39 |
| johnx | "Web 2.0" the buzz word is kind of annoying, and often incorrectly used to hype things. But a lot of the stuff built with AJAX seems nice | 16:39 |
| AStorm | to disable its own stickies | 16:39 |
| Khertan | navi > so you say that microb is depreciated too ? | 16:39 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:39 |
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| Navi | Khertan, yes | 16:39 |
| Khertan | oki :) | 16:39 |
| Navi | At least the current build is | 16:40 |
| Navi | for 4.0 | 16:40 |
| Khertan | the purpose is that my futur site doesn't look ugly on microb too | 16:40 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Keep it simple! | 16:40 |
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| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > yes ... it s the difficulty | 16:41 |
| Khertan | simple ... but look beautiful ;) | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Web 2.0 really doesn't have all that much to do with css or xhtml. | 16:41 |
| MangoFusion | marketing hype, that's all it is | 16:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly | 16:42 |
| Khertan | all free template look like the default wordpress blog template ... | 16:42 |
| Khertan | how i can found idea with this ! :P | 16:43 |
| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/ | 16:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make your own. | 16:44 |
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| jott | hrw: nice | 16:44 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles > it s what i do ... but i leak idea on how it should be ... it s why i'm looking other | 16:45 |
| Khertan | look at the actual ... i ve done it myself ... but ... heak ... ! | 16:45 |
| johnx | hrw, that rocks! I'll definitely look at that later | 16:46 |
| hrw | jott: when it will be finished (with networking and more storage) it will be nice test platform. with distcc support it will also fly as sdk tool | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Oh that looks really sweet! | 16:46 |
| jott | indeed. with networking this will rock for testing stuff | 16:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hrw: great! I hate connecting over usb | 16:47 |
| Veggen | Astorm: I'm mapping all the characters I use on the chr key, and use it as a ISO_Level5_switch/Mod3 | 16:48 |
| Khertan | http://cretin-mobile.fr/ | 16:48 |
| Khertan | hihi | 16:48 |
| Veggen | (thus not getting the popup keyboard, but I don't mind that) | 16:49 |
| Khertan | oopss ... sorry | 16:49 |
| Khertan | ww | 16:49 |
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| MangoFusion | neat | 16:51 |
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| lopz | hi | 16:52 |
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| hrw | Veggen: use ukeyboard for own keymap too | 16:57 |
| hrw | Veggen: it already contain my keymap (Polish) which use Chr key for extra chars | 16:58 |
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| AStorm | which is pointless w/o sticky chr | 16:58 |
| AStorm | :P | 16:58 |
| AStorm | hmmhmm | 16:58 |
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| AStorm | now, let's see how accessx works | 16:59 |
| AStorm | brb | 16:59 |
| hrw | AStorm: I blame nokia^Wmaemo for it | 16:59 |
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| AStorm | need a thingy to configure it | 17:05 |
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| AStorm | hahaha | 17:10 |
| AStorm | standard combos | 17:11 |
| AStorm | 5x shift = sticky keys | 17:11 |
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| AStorm | this works for ctrl at least, checking chr... | 17:13 |
| AStorm | works too, complete success | 17:14 |
| Veggen | Astorm: hm? | 17:14 |
| AStorm | it seems to be disabled bz switching apps | 17:14 |
| Veggen | I seem to remember that some things could be done either locally in the app or globally. | 17:15 |
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| Veggen | (i.e. valid for only app or all X session) | 17:15 |
| AStorm | yup | 17:15 |
| AStorm | ok | 17:17 |
| AStorm | now I have to create a polish ukezboard like this for german keyboard | 17:17 |
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| AStorm | ż will be mapped to chr+y | 17:18 |
| AStorm | (to not break numbers) | 17:18 |
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| hrw | AStorm: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/05/polish-layout-for-n810-hardware-keyboard/ | 17:19 |
| AStorm | I have that | 17:20 |
| AStorm | but I have a german keyboard | 17:20 |
| AStorm | so. | 17:20 |
| AStorm | we can use cheap-accessx util | 17:21 |
| hrw | AStorm: and you want qwertz layout? | 17:21 |
| AStorm | no | 17:21 |
| hrw | so? | 17:21 |
| jott | his hardware is qwertz ;) | 17:21 |
| AStorm | only proper specials on Fn | 17:21 |
| AStorm | :) | 17:21 |
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| hrw | jott: but <AB01> is still <AB01> | 17:22 |
| jott | indeed | 17:22 |
| AStorm | right now im tzping them blind | 17:22 |
| hrw | so only marks on keyboard are different | 17:22 |
| AStorm | yup | 17:22 |
| AStorm | and im used to them | 17:22 |
| AStorm | I can live with y and z swapped | 17:23 |
| hrw | AStorm: ok - so you want Polish layout with German marks? | 17:23 |
| AStorm | but not with all the specials diff | 17:23 |
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| AStorm | I can write a better one mzself, thanks | 17:23 |
| hrw | AStorm: install ukeyboard, create layout for you and send it to me ok? | 17:23 |
| AStorm | which will make use of all buckz bits avail | 17:24 |
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| AStorm | I have ukeyboard alreadzy | 17:24 |
| AStorm | gah :P | 17:24 |
| hrw | ok, but as author of Polish layout in ukeyboard I want to get alternative one too | 17:24 |
| AStorm | you will :) | 17:24 |
| AStorm | Im writing it now | 17:25 |
| hrw | ok | 17:25 |
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| Khertan_n810 | re | 17:35 |
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| guardian | what does "Ign file: chinook Release" message mean when running apt-get inside a chinook (4.0) target ? | 17:39 |
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| AStorm | hmmhmm | 18:01 |
| AStorm | is there a "SIX_LEVEL" setting in xkb definition file? | 18:02 |
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| hrw | no idea | 18:02 |
| hrw | guys: which pdf viewer for os2008 you suggest? | 18:03 |
| AStorm | evince rocks | 18:03 |
| AStorm | its already available | 18:03 |
| hrw | which repo? | 18:03 |
| AStorm | extras-devel has a non-crashy version | 18:03 |
| hrw | ok | 18:04 |
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| KiKi__ | hardware question: what is the typical current at loading a N800? | 18:06 |
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| hrw | AStorm: I did not had extras-devel enabled ;D | 18:06 |
| KiKi__ | any ideas? should be about 300 - 500 mA, would it be possible to load with less than 300 mA ? | 18:07 |
| hrw | KiKi__: what you are charging with? | 18:08 |
| hrw | crap 4th party charger which costs 3 cents? | 18:09 |
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| KiKi__ | no, i plan to load my n800 with a solar cell | 18:10 |
| KiKi__ | voltage is fixed to 5V with about 250 mA @ max sun | 18:12 |
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| hrw | in worst situation it will not charge | 18:12 |
| hrw | I use nokia ac-4e which gives 5v 890mA | 18:13 |
| hrw | but also have nokia acp-12x 5.7v/800mA (n810 charger) | 18:13 |
| hrw | ac-4e is from 770 | 18:13 |
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| hrw | acp-7e give 3.7v/355mA but I do not like that one | 18:14 |
| hrw | ac-4x gives 5v/890mA | 18:15 |
| hrw | ok, no more nokia chargers here | 18:15 |
| hrw | acp-7e is clone of nokia one | 18:16 |
| KiKi__ | possibility 1: load a small cell-pack (6 or even 7.2V) with the solar cell and load the N800 with the cells or possibility 2: take a bigger solar cell and hope, that there is enourgh current | 18:16 |
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| AStorm | or 3 | 18:24 |
| AStorm | take a small cell pack and load the battery while N is running | 18:24 |
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| KiKi__ | thats the idea... but why not use a small solarcell to load the cell-pack | 18:25 |
| AStorm | I have some TF1 clone which is rated 650 mA | 18:26 |
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| fysa | could you have a solar cell and a crank? | 19:03 |
| KiKi__ | crank ? | 19:05 |
| KiKi__ | crank = idea ? | 19:06 |
| KiKi__ | sorry, my english isnt so good | 19:06 |
| fysa | hand creek | 19:09 |
| fysa | .. | 19:09 |
| fysa | hand crank | 19:09 |
| fysa | one sec | 19:09 |
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| fysa | http://www.cellphone-store.com/motfreec98bl.html | 19:09 |
| KiKi__ | lol ... no, a hand crank is NO option ... | 19:12 |
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| hrw|gone | I will mention http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/ once more ;D | 19:13 |
| KiKi__ | but a solarcell at 175 * 110 mm shout be enourgh for loading the N800 2 times a day | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | I was already on that page :P | 19:14 |
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| eka | hi all | 19:14 |
| KiKi__ | at a sunny day | 19:14 |
| eka | its there any port of the preload? | 19:14 |
| eka | cause I have seen how fast the iPhone loads all the apps, and I feel bad about it | 19:15 |
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| KiKi__ | what is the best office application for N800 ? | 19:20 |
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| qwerty12 | Does anyone have a list of the OS2008 media players that use gstreamer? | 19:38 |
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| pupnik | from wiki.answers.com, category Computer History: "What is the difference between 8 bit and 16 bit ina computer" A: 8 bit computer can only display 256 colors while a 16 bit computer can display 64,000 colors | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 20:03 |
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| wom- | :) | 20:03 |
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| elb | sergio_: in or out, boy | 20:11 |
| sergio_ | ei sorry guy | 20:11 |
| sergio_ | just trying some xchat script magic :-) | 20:12 |
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| elb | one normally tries such things without auto-joining large public channels | 20:14 |
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| * hd420 is wondering where to find openssh for os 2008 | 20:16 | |
| khertan__ | in a repository ... | 20:16 |
| inz | maemo extras | 20:17 |
| * KotCzarny i wondering if hd420 is lazy or just has broken repos | 20:17 | |
| KotCzarny | *is | 20:17 |
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| hd420 | Kot: the latter | 20:17 |
| * lcuk grabs a beer | 20:17 | |
| hd420 | I just upgraded to the latest os image, so lost my repositories | 20:17 |
| * lcuk offers anyone a bottle | 20:17 | |
| KotCzarny | try enabling extras repos as inz suggested | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | in app-man | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 20:18 |
| lcuk | evening kot :) productive day? | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 20:18 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | i would like some sleep | 20:18 |
| lcuk | ok, productive night? | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | really | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:18 |
| lcuk | oh you havent yet | 20:18 |
| lcuk | you sound like i did yesterday | 20:18 |
| lcuk | its been like im dyslexic for the last couple of days | 20:19 |
| lcuk | ive been thinking im typing clearly but its all mumbojumbo | 20:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:19 |
| hd420 | ok... i see the distribution is blank, is that what it's supposed to be? | 20:19 |
| lcuk | if you are going off shift is the latest on ftp - i feel a couple of new modules coming | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | if you can use latest | 20:20 |
| lcuk | excellent, ill have a shuftie properly now and see whats happenin | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | i won't touch the code | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | have you tried circles fun ? | 20:20 |
| lcuk | i saw them for about 3 seconds this morning before my nit died of battery fatigue | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | heehe | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | btw. aa is controlled in plot/outpixel function | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | don't remember exactly | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | look for *0.8 | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:21 |
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| lcuk | ill move into yours.. | 20:23 |
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| lopz | Someone used pybluez? | 20:25 |
| AStorm | fresh new Polish keyboard layout: Ω | 20:26 |
| lopz | module for bluetooth | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: fail, unless it's utf | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: :) | 20:26 |
| lcuk | astorm, sort out your install problem from earlier? | 20:26 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it is utf-8 | 20:26 |
| AStorm | no | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: do you use aim/yahoo im or something? or ircnet? | 20:27 |
| lcuk | gmail has chat but never played | 20:27 |
| lcuk | dunno which it connects to | 20:27 |
| KotCzarny | btw. xchat/irssi has multiserver capability i think | 20:28 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: it was omega letter | 20:29 |
| AStorm | I've added Greek as an option, nice for entering math, although hard to reach | 20:30 |
| AStorm | Θ - theta | 20:30 |
| KotCzarny | looks like I^ | 20:30 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 20:30 |
| AStorm | use UTF-8 | 20:30 |
| KotCzarny | one day i will | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | right now i prefer ascii/latin2 | 20:31 |
| hd420 | ugh | 20:31 |
| AStorm | zażółc gęślą jaźn | 20:31 |
| hd420 | maemo extras connection failed :( | 20:31 |
| AStorm | ate ć | 20:31 |
| AStorm | :P | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | za¿ó³æ gê¶l± ja¼ñ | 20:31 |
| AStorm | « KotCzarny » | 20:32 |
| * KotCzarny yawns | 20:32 | |
| AStorm | „quote test” | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: btw. something segfaults, i suspect handling strokes | 20:34 |
| AStorm | Nokia® Maemo™ | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | may be my code too though | 20:34 |
| AStorm | ;) | 20:34 |
| lcuk | ill find out - it was faulting last night - first frustrating night ;) i try not to leave it broken so i can play with it and see what to do next | 20:35 |
| hd420 | grr... this is not good at all | 20:35 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: the problem is that this segv isn't consistent | 20:38 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes it takes one tap, sometimes few tens of strokes | 20:38 |
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| KotCzarny | and gdb isn't working because 'pc wasn't saved' | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | i usually color things in and then wait half an hour when clearing screen because of all the clear code generation. it handles lots of stroke usually | 20:39 |
| KotCzarny | well | 20:40 |
| lcuk | ill see | 20:40 |
| hd420 | strange | 20:40 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: sometimes circles get R=0 as param | 20:41 |
| KotCzarny | (that's the case when only 4 points show up | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 20:42 |
| AStorm | 1 point, actually | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | 4 | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | you don't see the code | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:42 |
| AStorm | 4 points is R=1 | 20:42 |
| AStorm | at least, should be | 20:43 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, or it may be negative R | 20:45 |
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| AStorm | R=0.5 is also 4 points | 20:46 |
| AStorm | w/o a blank in the middle | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | more probably R is negative in those cases | 20:47 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | why not? | 20:50 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk, btw. you can enable msgs from unregistered users | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | /msg nickserv set unfiltered on | 20:57 |
| AStorm | megabyte405: any chancd I could enroll in your abiword tests? | 20:57 |
| AStorm | (yeah, I know, PM and so...) | 20:58 |
| AStorm | My handle on ITT forum is AstralStorm. | 20:58 |
| megabyte405 | AStorm: pm | 20:59 |
| megabyte405 | I send out invites in batches | 20:59 |
| AStorm | mhm, I'll do that then | 20:59 |
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| AStorm | It's probably still thoroughly broken, but anyway. | 21:00 |
| AStorm | I could take a closer look on the source. | 21:01 |
| AStorm | :) | 21:01 |
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| megabyte405 | AStorm: its brokenness is documented in the thread | 21:04 |
| megabyte405 | It does work, I just wouldn't recommend it to the church secretary yet | 21:04 |
| AStorm | I know it is :) | 21:04 |
| megabyte405 | if you've got some coding skills, I'd love to have some help tracking down those bugs | 21:04 |
| AStorm | As I said, I've read it. | 21:04 |
| megabyte405 | :D | 21:04 |
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| AStorm | I'll try. | 21:04 |
| * megabyte405 is happy someone does :) | 21:04 | |
| megabyte405 | The build instructions are on the abiword-ite subversion | 21:04 |
| AStorm | Building by me is impossible until I get my build env sorted out. | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | ok unfiltered is on | 21:10 |
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| megabyte405 | AStorm: the instructions are based on using the vmware | 21:15 |
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| AStorm | I know. I have to ge it up and running - it mysteriously didn't work for me | 21:18 |
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| megabyte405 | ah, right, the /etc/resolv.conf is apparently quite buggered in all possible forms | 21:36 |
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| harryslamm | Has anyone got a celluon bluetooth keyboard to work with the n810? | 21:46 |
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| megabyte405 | if it's hid it should just work, if it's serial it needs another pgoram | 21:54 |
| AStorm | hrw|gone: sent you a mail with the keymap | 21:55 |
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| zerodegre | hey guys is there an app i can install on the nb810 to get an onscreen keyboard like the n800 had? | 22:51 |
| zerodegre | instead of using the keyboard? | 22:51 |
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| elb | no, bcause it's built in | 22:53 |
| zerodegre | i know that lol | 22:54 |
| zerodegre | i have the 810 | 22:55 |
| zerodegre | but i would still like to use the onscreen keytboard if i wanted to | 22:55 |
| tank-man | take a look here , seems like you can http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard/ | 22:55 |
| zerodegre | another question, can anyone record from streamtuner on th 810? | 22:59 |
| zerodegre | when i press record it says no command is set for "record a stream" | 23:00 |
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| flo_lap | re | 23:25 |
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| sbk | evening gentlemen | 23:28 |
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| KotCzarny | zerodegre: look for xvkbd or xkbd | 23:33 |
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| sbk | does anyone know why when I try to get OS2008 | 23:36 |
| sbk | from | 23:36 |
| sbk | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php | 23:36 |
| sbk | it says: Product ID not valid. Please re-enter the 12-digit code. | 23:36 |
| sbk | I just bought this thing from newegg lol | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | enter with/without ':' ? | 23:37 |
| sbk | oh I have | 23:37 |
| sbk | someone in here told me to put in the same code, but randomize a few digits at the end | 23:37 |
| sbk | but I dont remember which | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | last one | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 23:37 |
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| sbk | do you remember that GeneralAntilles | 23:38 |
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| sbk | KotCzarny: do you have a copy of OS2008? | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 23:39 |
| sbk | I need to format my N810 | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | mine was already flashed to 2008 | 23:39 |
| sbk | yeah same here, but I need to format it | 23:39 |
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