IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-04-11

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smackpotatowhats anyone think of the n810 as a bicycle computer00:04
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||cwsmackpotato: interesting.  bet it's rfcomm and so writing an app to use it would be pretty simple00:13
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ol_schoolaany idea if there is generic webcam support in the kernel? if i could put the guts of a webcam on a flexi rod with a couple of LEDs, we have a poor man's inspection camera00:55
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qwerty12_N800If it supports v4l2 and has modules, then yes.00:56
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qwerty12_N800Grab a mplayer & mencoder with v4l2 support as well.00:56
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ol_schoolahm, dunno crap about webcams and (current) v4l2. must go a-hunting, thanks for the pointers00:57
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CrashandDiei'm off, cheers :)01:11
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IkkakujyuHmm, I just realized the camera in the N800 is perfect for augmented reality.01:15
johnxan augmented reality of low resolution with the white-balance all wrong?01:16
glassfar from it01:16
IkkakujyuWell, by perfect I mean capable.01:16
Ikkakujyui.e. it can point in the right direction, and there's a driver for it.01:16
glassit's lowres, if you had for example 2d barcodes on things they'd have to be pretty big for recognition01:17
glassof course depends what kind of augmented reality you were thinking of01:17
Ikkakujyu...2d barcodes.01:17
IkkakujyuThough the Klimt project did a pretty good job with crappy cameras on PocketPC :D01:17
glasswell just about any cam can read 2d barcoes up close01:18
elbI had very little luck reading barcodes with the n810 camera01:18
elbit's so horribly noisy01:18
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IkkakujyuEh, Invisible Train uses pretty big barcodes -
IkkakujyuWould it be too farfetched to hook up a USB webcam? :D01:21
KotCzarnypower requirements01:22
KotCzarnyif it draws more than 100mA you need power injector or powered hub01:22
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fysaor a battery..01:41
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fysaI mean, you're walking around like a cyborg anyway.01:42
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fysasorry, you said power injector01:42
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fysaa slim digital camera could work01:43
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Cptnodegardyei hurray for mirc scripts missing a }01:44
fysahow fast can you process an image, anyway?01:44
KotCzarnyat full res01:44
KotCzarny16fps at 352x28801:44
fysawould you need to process that fast?01:44
pupnikwould be nice if N900 had a better camera01:45
KotCzarnyhi pupnik01:45
KotCzarnywanna see liqart with aa lines?01:45
GeneralAntillesSeems likely, pupnik.01:45
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GeneralAntillesIf just because of gradual technological improvements increasing the baseline quality. :D01:45
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fysaI would think you'd be better off using a higher res capture at less fps.01:45
fysathen you can OCR the world01:45
fysaand wikipedia it01:45
KotCzarnyat higher res you must have a steady hand01:46
KotCzarnyothjerwise your 'scan' would come out.. bendy01:46
fysause a regular digital camera in CCD mode01:46
fysaat 1fps01:46
KotCzarnyuse scanner?01:46
fysathen you can get 8 megapixel?01:46
KotCzarnyscanner is even more01:46
KotCzarnyand gets quite even lighting01:47
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fysasew a scanner into a shirt01:47
pupnikwhat is liqart KotCzarny ?01:47
lcddi'd like manufacturers to stop building parts that are utterly useless for any imaginable purpose01:47
lcddlike the camera01:47
KotCzarnypupnik, join my chan01:47
johnxlcdd, I kind of imagine Nokia going through this parts bin as they made the N800: "Well we have a *ton* of these SD card slots!" "That's fine, give every tablet 2!" "And what should we do with these crappy camera modules...?"01:49
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GeneralAntillesIf they used a real camera, they'd have to up the price.01:50
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pupniki'd like a google books reader btw01:58
lcddi guess shipping to customers is just another way of avoiding waste collection fees01:58
pupniksomething that scrapes google and getches the .gifs01:58
pupniki think the tablets are a great deal01:59
lcddthey're not bad overall02:03
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plbAnyone know where I can download the echo theme wallpaper? Want to put it on my d2...I luv it ;]02:09
plbcan't seem to find it online anywhere02:10
pupnikit should be on your device if you have it installed02:10
plbI don't have it on me =\02:11
pupnikor download the deb and extract the files with "ar x debfilename.deb"02:11
pupnikor um.. dpkg -X debfilename.deb .02:12
plbhm I'm surprised that wallpaper isn't posted somewhere02:13
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plbwhere can i download echo theme?02:16
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pupniktry searching
plbok thanks02:20
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KotCzarnyis there a gdb for maemo?02:38
termsigi dont think so but i`m not sure.02:41
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plbargh KotCzarny happen to know where I can find default os2008 wallpaper echo?02:45
KotCzarnyplb, i can put it on my site if you want02:45
KotCzarnythat will be faster than googling02:45
KotCzarnybtw. can you navigate to: /usr/share/backgrounds02:50
KotCzarnyand tell me if you have echo.png ?02:50
plbya but I'm not on my device atm02:50
plbI want to put the bg on my cowon d2 ;]02:51
KotCzarnyshould i..02:51
plbI can't seem to find it anywhere online02:52
KotCzarnytell me when you got it02:52
plbgot it thanks02:52
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legindis there any way to get the maemo browser to run through a proxy? if im on some cafes open wifi I want to make sure I'm securely browsing03:10
KotCzarnyit's in the config03:11
legindah thanks KotCzarny i just looked in the settings03:12
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mikedep333hey, how do I take the external SD out of my N800?03:39
KotCzarnyuse nail03:40
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WormFoodmikedep333, I was pushing on that external SD, expecting it to pop out....then I used my nail03:49
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whooperand what? it came out?03:59
mikedep333unfortunately I don't think I can use my nail on the microSD to SD adapter03:59
mikedep333only on the microSD itself03:59
GeneralAntillesStupid adaptors.03:59
whooperprobably not03:59
GeneralAntillesGet a pair of tweezers.03:59
GeneralAntillesThen wrap a piece of scotch tape around it.03:59
whooperuh huh04:00
GeneralAntillesMake yourself a little tab.04:00
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whooperthat's not a bad idea04:00
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GeneralAntillesIf only stupid manufacturers didn't throw the whole spec out the window when they make adaptors.04:01
whooperif only there was ONE standard04:01
mikedep333the nokia updater is downloading the 2008 image04:02
mikedep333where does it temporarily store it?04:02
mikedep333I want to back it up04:02
mikedep333on windows xp04:02
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GeneralAntillesWho the hell knows? :P04:04
mikedep333the program is using up 121 megs and growing04:04
mikedep333it is probably keeping it in RAM04:04
GeneralAntillesJust grab it from there for a backup.04:04
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mikedep333so my first impressions are that the screen is nice04:06
mikedep333but youtube was displayed horrible on ITOS200704:06
mikedep333not properly rendered and the video went slow04:07
mikedep333I do like the zooming in and out ability04:07
elbthe screen is gorgeous04:08
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GeneralAntillesOS2008 is much better.04:10
mikedep333yeah, youtube is better on it04:14
mikedep333ok, time to transfer to my 2 GB SD04:15
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leginddoes os2008 use operas microbrowser?04:23
zionlegind: afaik, os2008 uses a gecko based browser04:24
mikedep333do I need red pill mode for this?04:25
mikedep333I added the repo04:25
legindI thought so, but what made me unsure is that it uses the acronym "microb"04:25
mikedep333then searching for becomeroot didnt find anything04:25
legindand operas micro browser has some big security issues04:25
t_s_oshould not need red pill to install becomeroot04:27
GeneralAntillesIt's not an acronym.04:29
GeneralAntillesIt's just the name04:29
GeneralAntillesIt's based on Gecko04:29
IkkakujyuI spent all day compiling MusicPD only to find out someone else already did it :( I need to google harder.04:30
GeneralAntillesYour google-fu is still weak and untrained, young padawan.04:31
NaviIt's a nice play on words04:31
Navisince it can also stand for micro browser04:31
NaviEither way, it's tiny04:32
* GeneralAntilles infects Navi with MRSA04:33
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mikedep333whoops, entered typo in the address04:33
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G7KESHi does, anyone know the location of a deb for a shell? I'm running OS2008 on an N800.04:51
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GeneralAntillesdeb for a shell?04:53
GeneralAntillesOh, right.04:53
GeneralAntillesAsk the question, then run away.04:53
WormFoodthat is real effective....ask a question, then leave04:55
WormFoodI hope his nick isn't a ham call....he'd give hams a bad name04:55
celestehi hate it when i ask a question and then my network dies04:55
KotCzarnydead network doesn't produce /part command04:56
KotCzarnycalls a ruthless peer sometimes04:56
WormFoodwell, he left the channel, as you can tell by the message...also he is still on irc04:57
WormFoodthat IS his ham call04:57
celestehclearly, we must track him down to answer his question04:57
legindthe micro browser doesn't seem to take my SOCKS proxy settings - has anyone had similar problems?04:57
KotCzarnyhmm, bad socks?04:58
legindmy socks are fine04:58
KotCzarnybtw. if it isn't in settings dialog maybe it's not supported ?04:58
legindeven after toring04:58
legindit's there04:58
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legindahh ok04:58
WormFoodanyways, I'm out of here...have fun guys04:58
legindyeah its not in settings, only in the config04:58
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mikedep333when I go to untar this:
mikedep333I get tar: unexpected end of file05:03
mikedep333tar: short read05:03
GeneralAntillesDownload it better?05:03
KotCzarnyuse wget?05:03
GeneralAntillesAlternatively, this is a great opportunity to install openssh and use sftp. :D05:03
mikedep333downloaded it again05:04
mikedep333no errors this time05:04
whooperhey guys-- here's a topic05:07
whooperkiller apps for different os's05:07
KotCzarnyhas a great lists05:07
KotCzarnyand top2505:08
whooperyeah, but really, what are your's, #maemo?05:08
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whooperlike, for games, media, office, worst05:09
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mikedep333I forgot to flash the FAT partition on my SD before installing initfs05:09
KotCzarnyi love sdk05:09
mikedep333will that give me a problem?05:10
KotCzarnylots of fun05:10
mikedep333*format the FAT partition05:10
KotCzarnyand lots of adventure05:10
whooperhow would one learn best how to program apps in maemo?05:10
KotCzarnymike: fat partition isn't critical for booting/running05:10
whooperor program in general05:10
mikedep333ok, just making sure05:10
KotCzarnywhooper: by reading good books and twiddling in examples05:11
whoopercan you reccomend any?05:11
KotCzarnynot in english05:11
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whooperi doubt that i could grep my way out of a paper bag.05:12
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mikedep333hmm, crap05:13
whooperwhats up?05:13
mikedep333I used the file manager to format the SD card05:14
mikedep333and now I only see /dev/mmcblk0p105:14
mikedep333no p205:14
mikedep333did it remove the ext2 partition?05:14
KotCzarnysfdisk -l05:14
KotCzarnyif it's not there then it created new partition table05:14
mikedep333yeah, it did05:15
mikedep333how do I properly format only the fat partition?05:15
mikedep333well, let me ask this05:15
whooperanyone here firmiliar with mintyboost (ladyada)?05:15
GeneralAntilleswhooper, start by learning bash and the basics of the Linux shell.05:16
mikedep333do I need to format it at all before installing the OS to the ext2 part?05:16
GeneralAntillesThen I'd move up to bash scripting.05:16
KotCzarnymike, nope05:16
GeneralAntillesThen Python, Ruby, or Perl from there.05:16
mikedep333ok, great05:16
whooperprobly python05:16
GeneralAntillesThen C05:16
whooperuh huh05:16
GeneralAntillesThough Python provides you with 95% of the stuff you'd need.05:16
KotCzarnyga, the great coder ;)05:17
KotCzarnyi wonder if he ever written anything05:17
whooperyeah, and it works with maemo and (i think) Android05:17
KotCzarnyother than pr stuff05:17
whooperalright, brb then-- thanks GA!05:18
* GeneralAntilles puts KotCzarny back on ignore.05:18
GeneralAntillesTurns out he's still just as much of an asshole as he's always been.05:18
KotCzarny^ same arrogant idiot05:19
whooperwinning a flame war is like winning the special olympics-- even if you win, you're still retarded05:20
whooperso stop arguing05:20
KotCzarnyhe started it05:20
whooperan d im ending it05:20
whooperbrb for real now05:21
whooperdont make me have to separate you two again05:21
KotCzarnyi have my screen05:21
KotCzarnyto keep me safe05:21
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mikedep333the N800 comes with a skype voucher, right?05:31
mikedep333in the box?05:31
KotCzarnymine did05:31
GeneralAntillesSome do, some don't.05:31
GeneralAntillesNot sure of the pattern.05:31
mikedep333ok, oh well05:31
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Navi"he started it" is a horrible excuse.05:35
KotCzarnystill true05:36
dospodhow is everyone05:36
NaviDepends on your viewpoint05:36
Navidospod, bored05:36
esworpso, does anyone else have trouble invoking tje thumbboard via the touchscreen?05:36
KotCzarnymy viewpoint is that i don't like being called names05:36
dospodnavi it could be worse05:36
GeneralAntillesesworp, just use the center dpad.05:36
KotCzarnywithout a reason05:37
dospodwayyy worse05:37
GeneralAntillesReliable 100% of the time.05:37
NaviKotCzarny, and calling people names back helps?05:37
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esworpsome apps interpret the centter butron for other stuff, making stylus-frree operation a pain.05:37
KotCzarnynavi: how would you react?05:37
GeneralAntillesThumb detection should be fixed in Diablo.05:37
GeneralAntillesAh, right, Skype's stupidity.05:37
GeneralAntillesI've had some success double-tapping with the thumb to get the fullscreen keyboard.05:37
NaviKotCzarny, by not acknowledging their existence like I have you for the past few weeks.05:37
NaviGeneralAntilles, should be05:38
NaviDidn't bork up when I tried it05:38
esworpi use the hell out of gpe cal, and the button's mapped to something else.  :(05:38
dospodall I got to say dont fight05:38
dospodcherish everything you have\05:38
dospodit could be gone the next moment05:38
dospodjust boom its gone05:38
NaviKotCzarny, you've called me a few names while you thought I /ignore'd you :P05:38
KotCzarnynavi, still, he acted arrogant, not i05:38
NaviOh, you're always arrogant; You don't have to worry about that.05:39
KotCzarnyyes, i am, sometimes05:40
KotCzarnybut i know when i do it05:40
Navidospod, I'm fine with moments being gone05:40
esworpi'm just a casual visitor, and alway feel a bit of snarkiness  from some users.  not that i ever remember who they are.05:40
NaviS'not like it cares.05:41
dospodnavi you may say that now05:41
infobotNavi meant: S'not like it matters.05:41
GeneralAntillesdospod, you're too young to wax philosophical. :P05:41
NaviI've thought that for a long time.05:41
dospodI never thought just id miss just chillin with someone05:41
dospodGeneralAntilles I just lost my best friend05:41
dospodI went to ohio for his funeral yesterday05:41
GeneralAntillesSorry to hear that.05:41
dospodIve lost people before05:41
dospodbut this one hurt05:41
NaviSorry for your loss05:42
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NaviI don't remember the stylus board ever coming up when I was messing with Diablo05:42
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NaviWell, when I switched to finger tap = thumb board anyways05:43
Navieven when I tapped with the stylus :/05:43
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dospodis diablo look any cleaner05:43
Navicenter button on the rocker brought up the stylus board05:43
NaviLooks the same as it is now05:44
GeneralAntillesdospod, it's a bugfix upgrade.05:44
dospod: \05:44
GeneralAntillesThat's GOOD.05:44
NaviI'm judging off an old alpha build, so I don't really know much :P05:44
dospodI know05:44
dospodbut Im attracted to a good looking ui05:44
NaviIt looks all right the way it is now05:44
esworpi /never/ use the stylus board.  seems like a waste, really.05:44
dospodI still wish we could change the layout to what the mock up for ubuntu mobile looks like05:45
NaviWe just need some talented themers05:45
Naviesworp, then Diablo should be good for you05:45
GeneralAntillesEcho looks a helluva lot better than any previous ITOS release's default theme.05:45
GeneralAntillesdospod, it's hardware accelerated.05:45
esworpwhat's it's ETA?05:45
Navithe stylus board doesn't pop up05:45
GeneralAntillesand, as far as I can tell from the videos and such, not very useful.05:45
GeneralAntillesesworp, "Q2 2008"05:45
dospodI like the ui05:45
NaviGeneralAntilles, remember what it was replaced by?05:45
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NaviSome orange crap :P05:45
dospodand I know its hildon also05:45
* Navi hopes Echo stays in the next release05:46
NaviI don't really like orange05:46
dospod that does look clean05:46
GeneralAntillesesworp, pay attention to the Modest progress.05:46
GeneralAntillesThat's gonna be a decent way to tell how close we are.05:46
Navidospod, looks like Ubuntu Mobile.05:46
GeneralAntillesNavi, at worst you can just package it from Chinook.05:47
NaviOr android05:47
dospodit is ubuntu mobile05:47
KotCzarnyno transparency?05:47
dospodand I like the way they made it look05:47
NaviI've tried the Ubuntu Mobile UI PoC05:47
KotCzarnyor it's just black wallpaper?05:47
dospodthats clean also05:47
NaviAt least I hope it's just a proof of concept05:47
NaviIt's an unbearably slow UI05:47
NaviThe transitions were flashy, but unneeded05:48
dospodthe way they made it look is nice05:48
NaviKotCzarny, the interface of Ubuntu Mobile is just a flash interface at the moment :P05:49
dospodI thought it was hildon?05:49
NaviI don't know if they're going to keep it.05:49
esworpantilles, what is Modest?05:49
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GeneralAntillesNew email client for Diablo.05:49
Navidospod, the screenshot you showed is the flash interface.05:49
GeneralAntillesIt has weekly beta releases.05:49
NaviThe clutter interface is a bit better05:50
Navinot by much, though05:50
dospodbut arent they all based on hildon05:50
dospodeither way they all look great05:50
NaviHildon UI styled apps, sure05:50
Navibut the UI isn't hildon-desktop :P05:51
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dospod:( I was under the impression the ui was hildon05:51
NaviIt is >_>05:51
dospodok now im confused05:51
GeneralAntillesHildon UI != hildon-desktop05:51
dospodbut then again today has been sooo weird05:51
NaviI'm as confused as you are05:51
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* GeneralAntilles hands Navi a new fork.05:52
NaviI don't want to draw another navi05:53
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dospodhas anyone played numpty physics?05:53
GeneralAntillesHopefully the in-game level repository idea pans out.05:54
dospodits fun05:54
dospodbut kinda difficult05:54
* Navi shrugs05:54
esworpnumpty rawks05:55
shaprYeah, it's way cool.05:55
dospodindeed it is05:56
Redline`I read from one of the pages related to the moz mobile that hardware accel on the 810 is enabled? is this true?05:56
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shaprOokay, I'm ready to try to install scratchbox again for maemo development, and I'm on debian/unstable - amd6405:56
Redline`I thought the video chip on the N8x0 was still disabled05:56
GeneralAntillesWhat sort of accel, Redline`?05:56
dospodand does anyone know if kde is ever going to be updated05:56
KotCzarnyredline: link ?05:56
GeneralAntilles3d or IVA?05:56
dospodIt seems like no work on the project is not being worked on05:57
GeneralAntillesWell, either way, the only hardware acceleration is the DSP.05:57
Navidospod, on Mozilla Mobile?05:57
Redline`it was in reference to accel of video streams05:57
dospodnope it seems kde was dropped05:57
GeneralAntillesTalk to penguinbait, dospod.05:58
Redline`"If you want to play a video you should make sure that you’ve encoded it for the N810 using a decent script to take advantage of the hardware accel on the device."05:58
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KotCzarnyso wrong05:58
Redline`I read that as was like WTF?05:58
Redline`Thought so.05:58
GeneralAntillesMaybe they mean pixel doubling?05:59
KotCzarnyunless it's something new06:00
* KotCzarny checks sublinks06:00
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KotCzarnygst support is nice for mozilla though06:01
Redline`yeah. looks nice.06:02
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Redline`oh my.06:08
GeneralAntillesThen get to work!06:08
NaviProteous, doo eet06:08
Proteousget to work adding a hardware chip to my 770?06:08
GeneralAntillesShouting a request for something is a good as volunteering in my book!06:09
dospodwouldnt it be cool if we could you the sd slot for hardware acceleration06:09
GeneralAntillesdospod, <_<06:09
Proteousto bad the bottleneck is farther upstream06:09
esworpscrew video accel... i want a laser projected keyboard.  ;p06:09
dospodIt would be cool06:09
dospodjust add in the sd card in the internal memory slot in the n80006:10
GeneralAntillesesworp, have you ever used one?06:10
dospodand bam video hardware acceleration06:10
dospodwould be awesome06:10
GeneralAntillesDoesn't work quite like that. :P06:10
Proteouslaser projected keyboard, bah, I don't want to have to prop my IT device on a table to type on it06:10
esworpnah, i imagiine it's frustratiingo06:10
GeneralAntillesIt's awful.06:10
GeneralAntillesdospod, starting with the fact that we don't have SDIO06:10
NaviIt hurts06:10
Proteouspeople bitch and complain about their laptop keyboard keys not having enough throw. imagine now tactile feedback at all06:11
shaprI found a neat solution...06:11
shaprtape an N800 onto a kinesis keyboard06:11
GeneralAntillesThere's our solution to the webcam problem. :P06:11
dospodGeneral antilles is jealous he didnt think of my idea: )06:11
GeneralAntillesshapr, here's my solution:
dospodbut i think it would be cool if sd was used to expand mobile devices more06:12
dospodinsted of wifi06:12
shaprGeneralAntilles: Yup, that's very close to my idea :-)06:12
shaprGeneralAntilles: Does that really work?06:12
GeneralAntillesReally well.06:12
shaprI have a usb keyboard with built-in hub, I'd like to attach it to my n800.06:12
GeneralAntillesAside from the fact that you have to screw with dbus to get the vkb back.06:12
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Aside from the fact that you have to screw with gconf to get the vkb back.06:13
GeneralAntillesshapr, you should order up one of jolouis's OTG adaptors.06:13
GeneralAntillesOr make your own.06:13
Naviyou could grab an f-to-f06:13
shaprI have a spare kinesis keyboard.. I think I'll drill a big hole in the center and permanently stick a NIT in there.06:14
shaprOut of Stock :-)06:15
GeneralAntilles"2-4 days"06:15
NaviI got that from Mara for five bucks06:15
NaviIt's kinda retarded06:16
shaprI wonder if my kinesis requires power...06:16
Navi'cuz the female USB part isn't covered by plastic06:16
NaviAnd is squished easily06:16
GeneralAntillesIt is on mine.06:16
lopzmm. GeneralAntilles for SUB host in n800 ?06:16
GeneralAntillesBoth of mine.06:16
NaviIn that picture and on mine it isn't06:16
GeneralAntillesIt's an OTG adaptor06:17
GeneralAntillesso you don't have to worry about switching software-side.06:17
lopzwow. 6 $06:17
KotCzarny+ shipping06:17
NaviI was asking about what GeneralAntilles said06:17
NaviI grabbed one from Mara for five06:18
Navino shipping \o/06:18
NaviWell, unless you count gas monies06:18
lopzmm arg. I from Bolivia country ::(06:18
shaprI'm in Boston!06:19
shaprAny other internet tableteers in Boston?06:19
dospodI want to go to boston06:20
shaprBoston is a nice place.06:22
shaprI miss living in Stockholm though.06:22
dospodI lived in texas my whole life06:22
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shaprI've lived in three countries and .. at least twelve US states.06:23
KotCzarnyand in internet06:23
este_is a school or a business ?06:23
dospodwow shapr06:23
shaprI think it's a brazilian research center funded by nokia.06:23
shaprdospod: Downside of moving so much is that I don't own much stuff, and I don't have many friends nearby. I also don't have a girlfriend.06:24
* Navi lives in Texas06:24
este_research center.... so... they are paid to do work for nokia or they are maybe a dept inside a school ?06:24
shapreste_: - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia06:24
dospodshapr girl friends are nice06:25
dospodecspecially girls from texas06:25
dospodI havent seen to many good lookin girls up north06:25
shaprI like girls from outside of the US.06:25
GeneralAntilleseste_, I don't think it has anything to do with education.06:25
dospodbut then again I dont stay long up north06:25
dospodonly a week at most06:25
este_I know their site, it just doesn't explain to me who they are (really)06:26
shaprAsk google06:26
este_yea funny06:26
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GeneralAntilleseste_, they do research work for Nokia.06:26
GeneralAntillesThey're also responsible for a whole shitton of software on the tablets.06:26
GeneralAntillesMost notably Canola06:27
este_Really ? You think irc is my first choice for info ?06:27
shapreste_: Whatever dude, just trying to be helpful.06:27
GeneralAntillesBut also a ton of library and backend stuff.06:27
GeneralAntillesPython, too.06:27
este_I know they are, I'm curious as to WHY they are... I'm guessing now its money06:27
NaviI win!06:27
shapreste_: Already seen that page?06:27
este_yes actually06:28
shapreste_: Sounds to me like you need to learn to use Google efficiently :-)06:28
este_It seems to me that its a drug money laundering front that happens to be quite good a coding06:28
KotCzarnyeste, /join #canola then06:29
este_I talked to someone their about modifying CarMan but the conversation got dropped06:29
este_I didn't know if they're services were supposed to be bought or not06:30
NaviWho knows if they are services.06:31
GeneralAntillesMy guess is that they are AI.06:31
este_yea, firefox has spoiled me on spellchecking06:32
NaviWell, you didn't spell anything wrong, really.06:32
este_good point06:32
este_Ok, last question, whats EFL ?  They apparently like it over pygame and sdl06:32
NaviMost IRC clients have some sort of spell checking though06:32
* KotCzarny never uses spellchecking06:33
* KotCzarny uses brain06:33
* doc|home uses spellchecking, never uses brain06:33
NaviEFL is Enlightenment's graphical library06:33
KotCzarnybrain > spellchecking06:33
este_nevermind I just figured out that efl is enlightenment06:33
doc|homebrain.effort >> spellchecking.effort06:33
NaviWell, graphical library colection06:33
KotCzarnyno pain, no gain06:33
este_you guys have an opinion on efl/enli06:33
NaviI use E17 on the desktop06:34
doc|homeKotCzarny: there's gain in using your brain? umpossible!06:34
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* doc|home is of course joking06:34
KotCzarnyi only know that not using a brain is deadly06:34
este_I can't seem to find too much on e1706:34
doc|homein fact, while I knew that umpossible was spelt incorrectly, I didn't even notice whether or not xchat flagged it06:34
Navieste_, that's because it's in a sort of infinite alpha state.06:35
KotCzarnycapture the flag!06:35
este_So.... elightenment is all python graphical lib ?06:35
NaviEFL has python bindings.06:35
* KotCzarny gibs doc06:35
este_ah, thats why then06:35
este_oh, so python + whatever06:36
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este_are pygame and sdl 'that' bad that its better to design something new ?06:37
KotCzarnye17 isn't new06:37
NaviOf course not06:37
este_... meh i'm all sorts of confused06:37
dick-richardsonor that good06:37
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Navipygame has it's uses06:38
Navimostly for using python + sdl06:39
este_I ask because I'm interested in carman which uses GTK for plain/text views and pygame/sdl for a nicer display06:39
NaviEFL allows for nice animations and transitions on low spec hardware without needing any acceleration06:39
este_doesn't OMAP have acceleration ?06:39
KotCzarnyno drivers06:39
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este_How about that,06:40
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este_well... thats a good start for me I think06:41
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mikedep333hey, it looks like I can only read some of my SMB shares from my windows xp box07:33
mikedep333they all have like the same permissions (everyone can read, everyone includes guest)07:33
* Proteous looks around for the "WE FIX WINDOWS PROBLEMS!!!!!!111!!" sign07:34
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johnxmikedep333, are the shares password protected?08:07
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning08:14
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gkanaiCan someone help me with an upgrade to os2008 on Linux?08:25
johnxwhat's the problem?08:25
gkanaiso I've downloaded the flasher and the bin.  I've chmod-ed and unpacked the bin.  Then the OS crashed on me.  So I'm not sure if the unpacking was complete or not.08:26
gkanaiI've tried the next few steps and they dont seem to work.08:26
johnxmaybe I'm confused...All you have to do is download the .bin and use the flasher to flash it?08:27
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johnxWhat guide are you following?08:27
johnx(that first comment shouldn't have ended in a "?")08:27
johnxthat's for the beta08:28
johnxno need to do things the hard way anymore08:28
gkanaiis there a better guide?08:28
johnxthere's a genuine Nokia approved N800 release08:28
gkanaiok, so just run the flasher?08:29
johnxyeah, let me find the guide08:29
johnxone command, super easy :)08:29
GeneralAntillesAh, good, they did update the article with a note.08:29
GeneralAntillesI emailed them about it about a month ago.08:29
gkanaijohnx: thx08:30
gkanaii'll give it a go.08:30
GeneralAntillesgkanai, you didn't notice the note, or the strikethrough? <_<08:30
gkanaiI didnt come across this page :(08:30
KotCzarnyremember the site: maemo.org08:31
KotCzarnyit has apps, howtos, links08:31
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gkanaigotta wait until the battery charges...08:34
gkanaihow long does it take?08:34
KotCzarnyaround 3h for me08:34
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KotCzarny'for me'08:35
johnxwell how much charge does it have?08:36
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gkanainot sure- it just says "charging"08:37
gkanaioh, ok, er, 10 days idle, in use 5 hrs08:37
johnxyeah, it's mostly charged :)08:38
gkanaiok, then I'll start08:38
gkanaier, so Terminal still says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" even though the device is plugged in... when do I start seeing the "messages as the image loads to the N800 after which it reboots automatically"?08:42
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johnxunplug tablet from power and usb, turn off tablet, start flasher, plug tablet in via usb, turn on tablet while holding home08:42
gkanaiheld down the home button and it's at the update screen with the Nokia logo and the USB mark in the upper right corner08:43
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johnxdid you run flasher as root?08:44
johnxyou'll need to on some linux distros08:44
gkanaier, sudo?08:44
gkanaiI'm on ubuntu08:44
johnxsudo is fine08:44
gkanaiok I'll retry, I didnt previously08:44
tank-manyou dont need root, jsut a user that can access usb08:44
johnxtank-man, and for many, that user is root...08:45
gkanaisudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R08:45
gkanaiis that right?08:46
johnxsounds good08:46
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gkanaiso should i start seeing messages immediately?08:47
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gkanaiit still says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting"08:47
johnxyou should start seeing various messages as soon as you plug in the usb cable08:48
gkanaihmm. that's not happening08:48
RickedRogerCheck out my ad! (quick before they flag!).08:48
tank-manyou should see msgs after you turn on the n8x0 while holding the home key08:48
tank-manflashing total time is like about 1 min08:49
RickedRogerCheck out my ad! (quick before they flag!).08:49
johnxsorry, tank-man is right, you should see it when you turn the N800 on, not when you plug in USB08:49
gkanaiyeah, neither is happening.08:49
gkanaiwhat am I doing wrong?08:49
johnxis it connected through a hub? Apparently that can be a problem sometimes08:50
gkanainope, directly08:50
tank-manis your device possibly in host (otg?)  mode08:50
gkanaihow can I tell?08:50
johnxgkanai, if you don't specifically remember changing it to host mode, it's not in host mode08:50
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gkanaithis was given to me yesterday, so I dont know what was done to it previously, but I doubt it?08:51
gkanaiit's got the very first os on it, fwiw.08:51
tank-mani think this is how to tell, cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode08:51
johnxif it's running OS2007 then it's not in host mode08:51
gkanaiyeah, its running 0s200708:51
gkanaicat: /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode: No such file or directory08:52
johnxgkanai, it's unplugged from power while you're trying to flash it, correct?08:52
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johnxinstead of holding home you could do this instead: unplug from power+usb, start flasher, plug in usb, plug in power08:53
gkanaiok, let me try that08:53
GeneralAntillesNot sure how that'll change things, johnx. :P08:54
GeneralAntillesIf you start up with the Home key it'll at least wait for you so you can screw around software-side if need be.08:54
johnxany ideas, then, GeneralAntilles?08:55
GeneralAntillesGet it waiting and play with the flasher.08:55
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gkanainope, "Suitable USB device not found..."08:55
johnxAll I can think of is to tell him keep trying, it will probably, eventually work...08:55
GeneralAntillesgkanai, make sure it's unplugged and off, plug in the USB, hold down the Home key and power it on.08:55
GeneralAntillesIt'll have the USB symbol up in the upper right08:56
GeneralAntillesthen run the flasher.08:56
johnxsometimes these things are incredibly finicky to get flashed...08:56
gkanaiok, flasher after then.08:56
gkanaisame error :(08:58
gkanaigen@ubuntu:~$ sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R08:58
gkanaiflasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006)08:58
gkanaiSW version in image: RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_MR008:58
gkanaiImage 'kernel', size 1529984 bytes08:58
gkanai        Version
gkanaiImage 'initfs', size 1954560 bytes08:58
gkanai        Version 0.95-7008:58
gkanaiImage 'rootfs', size 137625600 bytes08:58
gkanai        Version RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_MR008:58
gkanaiImage '2nd', size 8192 bytes08:58
gkanai        Valid for RX-34: 1301, 1302, 1501, 1502, 1503, 1504, 1601, 160208:58
gkanai        Version 1.1.11-108:59
gkanaiImage 'xloader', size 9088 bytes08:59
gkanai        Valid for RX-34: 1301, 1302, 1501, 1502, 1503, 1504, 1601, 160208:59
gkanai        Version 1.1.11-108:59
gkanaiImage 'secondary', size 98432 bytes08:59
gkanai        Valid for RX-34: 1301, 1302, 1501, 1502, 1503, 1504, 1601, 160208:59
gkanai        Version 1.1.11-108:59
gkanaiSuitable USB device not found, waiting08:59
GeneralAntillesDoes it mount the cards when it's plugged in with USB when it's booted?09:00
gkanaihmm... the SD memory cards you mean?09:00
gkanaierm, no, I dont think so?09:03
GeneralAntillesWell, something's wrong then.09:03
GeneralAntillesTry a different USB cable?09:03
gkanaithere's 2 SD slots, the one inside the battery cover and the one in the bottom of the device09:03
GeneralAntillesOr a different machine?09:03
johnxwhen you plug it into your desktop via usb, the desktop should see both the internal and external card readers09:03
GeneralAntillesMount them on the computer.09:04
gkanaiok, will try09:04
gkanaido the two SD slots have different usages?09:04
GeneralAntillesNot particularly09:04
johnxkinda, sorta, not really09:05
GeneralAntillesThe internal can be used for swap.09:05
GeneralAntillesHardware wise they're not any different.09:05
johnxthe GUI app will only let you creat a swap file on the internal09:05
GeneralAntilles"Map" defaults to internal for storage.09:05
johnxand some apps are hard-wired to store things on the internal or external card09:05
gkanaihmm yeah I've tried both slots...09:06
gkanaiand nothing09:06
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johnxthe computer doesn't react at all when you plug it in to usb?09:07
johnxwant to post your dmesg to pastebin?09:07
gkanaihmm, yeah I'm trying this card on my expresscard32 reader on my MBP and it OS X doesnt see it09:08
gkanaimaybe my card is bad09:08
GeneralAntillesTry flashing using the OS X machine?09:08
GeneralAntillesJust grab flasher-2.0.macosx09:09
GeneralAntillesEverything else is the same.09:09
gkanaioh really?09:09
GeneralAntillesWould Ubuntu happen to be in VMWare?09:09
gkanaiyes, Parallels09:10
GeneralAntillesThat would explain it.09:10
johnxalright, that's the kind of thing we'd like to hear about first :)09:10
gkanaidoh, i'm terribly sorry!09:11
* GeneralAntilles slaps gkanai around with a rainbow trout. :P09:11
johnxgood guess, GeneralAntilles :)09:11
gkanaiI prefer salmon09:11
gkanaiok so where can I get the Mac launcher?09:11
johnxsame directory as the linux flasher09:11
tank-manis parallels so awesome that you did not think it to be the problem right away?09:14
gkanaiis there a Flasher for Intel-Mac?09:14
GeneralAntillesJust use the ppc one09:14
GeneralAntillesit works fine under Rosetta.09:15
gkanaioh OK09:15
GeneralAntillestank-man, it actually shouldn't be a problem.09:15
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GeneralAntillesYou'd just have to enable that USB device for the vm.09:15
GeneralAntillesI haven't used Parallels (or even VMWare) particularly extensively, though, so I don't recall exactly how.09:15
* GeneralAntilles is PPC.09:15
gkanaiok, er, its only 192k?09:16
zerodegrehey guys , is there a NES emu that works well for the N810?????09:17
johnxzerodegre, yeah, the one on ITT works pretty well. I forgot it's name09:17
gkanaiso how do I run this flasher under OSX?09:17
KotCzarnyzerodegre: check pupnik.de09:17
johnxgkanai, exactly the same way as the Linux flasher09:18
GeneralAntillesgkanai, you'll want to pull the .bin off of the vm image.09:18
gkanaiwilldo, I'm going to switch over to OS X, brb09:21
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gkanaiok, I'm back09:25
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johnxdid it work gkanai ?09:33
gkanaiI'm re-downloading the binaries from Nokia09:34
johnxah, you don't need to09:35
gkanaihow do I access the .bin on the Ubuntu partition?09:36
gkanaiI'm also not seeing the USB cards in OS X...09:36
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GeneralAntillesYou should be able to just drag and drop it from Ubuntu.09:36
gkanaihmm tried that, didnt work09:37
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rm_youhey johnx :P09:39
* rm_you says hey randomly a lot :P09:39
rm_youthinking about opening up my n800 in the next couple of days to try to figure out what's loose09:39
rm_youand fix it09:39
johnxit's under warranty, right?09:40
johnxsend it the heck back09:40
rm_youso i can use the damn thing again09:40
gkanaiok i now see both cards :)09:40
rm_youdunno >_>09:40
rm_youbought it late last july09:40
rm_youbut used from ITT forums <_<09:40
rm_youso i dont have a receipt09:40
johnxyou don't need one...09:40
rm_youwell, the site says "probably out of warranty" and that i'd need one <_<09:40
johnxlame :/09:41
rm_youthough i might be able to get em to do it over the phone09:41
rm_youif i just said i lost it09:41
GeneralAntillesI would try before you open it. :P09:41
rm_youdo they actually expect everyone to hang onto receipts for a year? >_>09:41
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gkanaiso do I re-name this file .app for OS X?09:42
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johnxgkanai, you run the flasher from the command line...just like in Linux09:42
* rm_you sleeps09:42
* johnx is tired too...09:43
johnx'night rm_you09:43
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gkanaicrap, I gotta run to a mtg, bb in 30 mins and will re-try then09:47
gkanaiok i have a few more minutes and its working!!!09:53
gkanaiok that's it?09:53
johnxnothing like using an OS that has access to the physical USB ports09:53
johnxit's fast09:53
johnxand I think sometimes it prints a weird error at the end, so don't worry about that09:53
gkanaiok, now I really gotta run to my mtg09:54
gkanaiTHANK YOU #maemo!!!09:54
johnxsure. have fun. :)09:54
gkanaiesp. johnx and Gen.Ant09:54
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KotCzarnymy name is #maemo, resistance is futile, you will be tabl0ized09:55
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opendeepHello X_Fade_10:42
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msh_anyone run an irc client on their tablet?10:51
qwerty12Yeh, there's the ircomm upgrade, x-chat and pidgin. There's also irssi but I found it unstable.10:52
msh_ah, cool10:52
msh_xterm irssi is kind of awkward10:53
Proteousif by awkward you mean amazingly great then I agree10:55
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Proteousawkward like tony hawk on a skateboard will work too10:56
Proteousawkward like a spider in it's web10:56
GeneralAntillesits . . . not worth it. :P10:56
Proteousyeah :/10:56
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dpb_I use the terminal to ssh to my server with screen/irssi10:57
dpb_It's quite usable10:57
Proteousthe only thing that makes irssi awkward on my 770 is the lack of a slide out keyboard :p10:58
ashaif only there was a hardware escape or meta key11:01
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GeneralAntillesEscape = back11:01
gkanai|awayok, I'm back :)11:05
keesjasha: the escape it the button (under the hacker xterm anyway)11:05
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gkanaiwhat should I install if I just installed os2008?11:05
keesjgkanai: on what hardware11:06
ashakeesj, i did but it's too far to move a thumb11:06
msh_just things like switching channels etc, it'd be easier to just tap a channel tab11:07
msh_and have privmsgs trigger the notify thing11:08
msh_and urls be clickable (that's just a xterm issue i know)11:08
keesjmsh_: yes the hacker xterm has buttons on the right form "control-p" control-n and also screen controls control-a-n and such11:12
keesjI have not used it for a while11:12
GeneralAntillesgkanai, Canola, FBReader, Maemo Mapper, Doom, Quake I/II, Xchat, mplayer, x11vnc, OpenSSH, ScummVM, Vagalume, Numpty Physics, and mypaint.11:12
msh_aha, that'd work well11:12
gkanaiGeneralAntilles: cool, thank you for a great list11:13
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gkanaican I download apps via the browser or do I need to load them via USB?11:14
inzkeesj, didn't someone compile that version for os2008?11:14
keesjinz: I don't know , I have not used it for a while I must confes11:15
qwerty12I also <3 Transmission & gtk-gnutella11:15
keesj2008 has this default xterm , so it is harder to compete against11:15
GeneralAntillesAdd the relevant repositories.11:15
keesjthe hackers xterm should really become part of maemo11:15
GeneralAntillesMost of them are available if you just enabled Extras.11:16
GeneralAntillesYou want Application manager.11:16
inzkeesj, the version on os2008 is based on my version11:16
inzkeesj, they just totally raped it ;)11:16
GeneralAntillesIt's that damn UI spec.11:16
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keesjinz: will you be at linuxtag?11:16
inzkeesj, nope11:16
gkanaiGeneralAntilles: wow11:17
inzkeesj, unless you can make up some good reason why my employer would send me there ;)11:17
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inzGeneral, yeah, UI specs are sometimes a bitch, but I think the first version was coded in too much hurry and is awfully ugly11:18
keesjfirst version of the specs?11:18
GeneralAntilles"sometimes" . . . mostly with maemo it seems to be "always". :P11:19
inzkeesj, no first version of osso-xterm released by nokia11:19
inzkeesj, or I'm not actually sure if they've released any newer ones11:19
inzkeesj, I tried to fix it (and fix the uglyness from the source), but I've no idea if they used that code at all11:21
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gkanaidoes it matter which media you put on which SD card?11:28
GeneralAntillesHow do you mean?11:28
GeneralAntillesCanola indexing?11:28
janiGeneralAntilles: totally agree =)11:28
gkanaisay I'm moving some mp3s over- do they go on the internal card or the other one?11:28
GeneralAntillesWhichever you want11:29
GeneralAntillesDoesn't particularly matter.11:29
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I use my internal card for swap and additional boot partitions11:29
GeneralAntillesthe external is the media dump11:29
gkanaiI've moved a file over to the external card but I dont see it in File manager11:31
gkanaiare these WWF photos default?11:32
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gkanaido i need to format the SD cards?11:40
gkanaiah, you have to disconnect the usb...11:42
GeneralAntillesCan't mount them in more than one place. ;)11:42
gkanairight- makes sense but isn't intuitive11:42
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AStormI've a question - where can I get the devel version of maemo for armel? (the one with full real coreutils etc.)11:56
AStormI've my n810 prepared for multiboot now11:56
hrwwhat keeps you from installing normal coreutils?11:58
hrw tells more11:59
AStormhrw, obviously, conflict with busybox12:00
hrwAStorm: force installation12:00
AStormand it'll work?12:00
hrwAStorm: I reported bug on wrong busybox package12:00
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AStormthe hack away12:01
hrwnot a hack12:01
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AStormbtw, what are the flash speeds? (small, internal, external SDHC)12:01
hrwthe only solution to broken maemo packaging12:01
AStormI'll better create a backup tarball first12:02
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hrwX-Fade: hi12:03
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AStormit tries to remove:12:03
AStorm  busybox dpkg sysvinit12:04
AStormsounds evil12:04
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AStormit wants to remove too much12:05
AStorm"no longer relevant" e.g. osso-connectivity-ui12:06
AStormdnsmasq, hal,etc :P12:06
AStormso, what to do about it? (I'm talking live maemo)12:10
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AStormwth does it try to drop 1/3 of the  system?12:14
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gkanaiif the browser stops loading pages for some reason (and I know the wifi AP is ok) what can I do to troubleshoot microB?12:34
GeneralAntillesRestart the browser, reconnect to the ap, restart the device.12:35
keesjgkanai: what I done in the past in install webscarab on a pc and configure that as proxy server in connection settings12:35
hrwspeaking of microb... does someone work on getting it updated to more recent Gecko?12:36
GeneralAntillesIt'll be in Diablo, hrw.12:36
keesjunique was not 100% happy about that aproach (I commented it in the bugtracker)12:36
GeneralAntillesSomebody could compile the latest svn if they wanted to test the updated engine.12:38
gkanaikeesj: this is so you can watch the http traffic?12:38
hrwGeneralAntilles: Diablo?12:39
qwerty12Is there any easy way of converting a diff file for an older version? I've been doing it by hand (finding lines etc), it works fine for a short youtube patch but not so great on a 500 KB IPv6 Kernel patch.12:40
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gkanaihm, so I restarted the device and now it browses.12:42
GeneralAntillesEither of the first two options work?12:44
hrwGeneralAntilles: may interest you maybe12:46
GeneralAntillesWhat's the method?12:47
hrwqemu n800 emulation12:47
GeneralAntillesBe mildly interesting to package as a software demo.12:47
hrwGeneralAntilles: it is on a way to qemu mainline now12:47
hrwdevelopment paid by Nokia, done by OpenedHand12:48
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joyiou1Hi, can I develop my own media player on N810 ?12:51
GeneralAntillesSure! Why not?12:51
joyiou1Using gstreamer and the alsa device on N810 ?12:51
AStormif only qemu would build with gcc 4.x12:51
qwerty12Shitfuck. I have 10,000 lines to convert of a patch and no promises it's gonna work.12:51
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joyiou1Is there any difference between the N810 alsa device and the normal one ?12:52
hrwAStorm: I have gcc 3.4 and 4.2 in system12:52
hrwAStorm: 4.2 as default12:53
AStormI had too12:53
AStormguess I'll have to build the scratchbox12:53
AStormbut... I want a devel system on N810 too12:53
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joyiou1Now i'm building my own gstreamer, and it got some problem in the clock12:55
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floriangood morning13:10
pupnikIf anyone has actually developed something on the device, i haven't heard of it.13:10
pupnikhi florian13:10
florianMaemo Sync like it currently looks...13:11
pupnikit is for syncing what?13:11
florianpupnik: Whatever OpenSync supports - usually PIM data.13:11
florianCurrently its use is limited, OpenSync 0.3x is not that stable yet and the lacking documentation of the new syncml plugin is a real showstopper.13:12
GeneralAntillesKhertan would be the one doing real development on-device, pupnik.13:13
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florianBut they mention to have it working with "big iron" such as Scheduleworld... this will be pretty nice.13:14
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pupnikyes an important addition13:15
pupnikperhaps the most important?13:15
pupnik(pim stuff)13:16
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florianthere is still a lot of work to do, but free time is limited - like always :-/13:20
AStormthey should mod. both dates to support recurrence (release it, dammit)13:22
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AStormand tasks to support the states from gpe-todo13:22
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AStormand bind to alarmd13:22
AStormwhen abiword is ready... it will be *the* office machine13:23
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AStormbtw, could someone provide a working vmware image of devel env?13:32
GeneralAntilles No?13:33
qwerty12Hmm, I don't think many people are willing to upload a 2GB+ file13:33
AStormtried it, couldn't build anything13:33
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AStormtried to install stuff, apt failed13:34
GeneralAntillesSeems to work fine for most people.13:34
lcukastorm, i use the vmware image every day and it does have everything needed.  however eclipse seemed quirky so i just use the console and target directly for armel instead of the xephyr emulator13:35
lcukwhat did you need to install?13:35
AStormtried that maemo-toolbox or something13:36
AStormmaybe it's another image... iNdT branded one, right?13:36
lcuki just installed the chinook doofer by clicking on the desktop then run with the console on the desktop also13:37
qwerty12Anybody knows a place where to upload files where the people wont give a shit about licenses? Not warez but I'm not sure if I am allowed to distrobute something :/13:37
AStormmhm, I told you about my problem with it earlier13:37
lcukthat starts an sb session13:37
AStormhere it installed13:37
lcuki enter the folder and can run make or whatever13:37
AStormbut not thee real maemo13:37
AStormno, I can't :/13:38
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lcukastorm, what happens if you open the console, cd into sample_sources/chinook/c-samples and run make13:44
AStormthat works13:44
AStorminstalling anything through apt doesn't13:44
lcukare you trying to install things onto the actual ubuntu box or into the scratchbox session?13:45
lcukie, does it work from the gui system/addremove13:46
lcukit has got network access out and you can ping and connect to things cant you?13:47
AStormI installed the environment as per howto13:48
lcukhmm, i do remember something like this at the start.  and something in the back of my head is saying apt-get update or clean or whatever the command is was needed13:48
lcukit might not be specifically that but its ringing a bell now you said that13:49
AStormI'll try random stuff13:49
AStormonce I get vmware running under 2.6.2513:49
lcuki know someone else had similar problem in here and i tried along with them and what they did was also failing on there but then it started working.  i think on mine though it was connectivity13:49
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lcukif i remember specifics ill let you know13:50
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AStormlet's see13:51
AStormnah, I did copy resolv.conf13:52
lcukso what hap[pens if you apt-get update13:53
qwerty12Can you make rxvt open a different tty? I'm playing with a build I've got on my N800.13:53
AStormlcuk: something "Installation failed" or so13:53
AStormand the repo about provided-pkgs is invalid13:54
AStormmaemo-provided or so13:54
AStormthat file doesn't exist13:54
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lcuknot sure without specifics if you pastebin the messages someone may have seen and point you in the right direction.  ive gotta get back to dayjob13:57
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AStormI'll get them13:57
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AStormstill, I'd love to get a full devel env on the tablet itself13:59
AStormeven a Debian would do13:59
AStorm(powerlauncher anyone :)13:59
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AStormlink to "Debian on N8x0 howto" please?14:01
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AStormI'll probably use a custom desktop env. based on Xfce14:02
qwerty12This also may intrest you too
Khertan_n810Hi !14:02
qwerty12Hello :)14:02
qwerty12AStorm, if you do try out the second link ,look here too
AStormI do have the toolchain14:03
AStormbut not autotools, real sed or coreutils14:03
Khertan_n810what s the problem with pygtkeditor ?14:04
AStormnone, but I like vim-7 better :)14:04
qwerty12No problems, AStorm is on about compiling on tablet, I said to use pygtkeditor because its meant for programming imho14:04
Khertan_n810lol really ?14:04
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Khertan_n810vim-7 on a nit ...14:05
AStormthe trick is getting real coreutils in here14:05
AStormVIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 (2006 May 7, compiled Dec 18 2007 01:08:12)14:06
AStormworks well14:06
Khertan_n810but is it really useable with the small keyboard ?14:06
AStormyou need escape mappped14:07
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Khertan_n810of course14:07
inzEscape is mapped14:07
AStormyup, on the arrow button14:07
Khertan_n810i ve never like vim ... but it s just a question of feeling14:08
inzIt's just a question of learning14:08
Khertan_n810no no i know how to use it ...14:08
lcukescape on 810 is in handy location already - tab should be mapped though to the dpad centre ;)14:08
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AStormand you can do that with xmodmap14:09
Khertan_n810but as an old mac user i found 'gui' too complex to use ... escape truc for many thing ... too many key to tape for many thigs14:09
AStormleft and right enter are different14:09
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AStormstill, I need to rewrite keyb. layout for Polish, fihally14:11
Khertan_n810as i hate contextual menu ... it s just a feeling14:11
AStormuse fn+shift correctly14:11
Khertan_n810and i found that having choice is a good thing users can choose what they prefers14:12
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Khertan_n810it s one of the things i like when using a gnu linux istribution14:13
AStormthat's why I use Gentoo :)14:13
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Khertan_n810the best is however kOS :)14:13
AStormblah, blah14:13
AStormI need real devel14:14
Khertan_n810my own :) just an lfs14:14
Khertan_n810devel ?14:14
AStormah, no, too high maintenance14:14
AStormdid that for some time14:14
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Khertan_n810i found i ve less maintainace than ubuntu that i fix at each update14:16
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Khertan_n810must go back at work bye14:17
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AStormbtw, new evince doesn't explode with large pdfs anymore14:18
AStorm(or cause ooms)14:18
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pupnikis there a nifty keen way to cache a google book?14:24
pupnikfor example,M1  "The Voluntary City: Choice, Community, and Civil Society"14:24
AStormpupnik: httrack?14:27
pupnikhmm interesting14:27
pupniki do think google tries to prevent that14:28
AStormwhy? you can dump browser cache or save the websit14:28
AStormor use some http proxy (there is one for maemo... check app-man)14:29
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AStormhmm, will maemo detect any swap file, or does it haveto be on internal flash? (e.g.symlink)14:30
AStormor do I have to mod fstab?14:31
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AStormany way will do, blah14:33
AStormstill, I've a q14:33
AStormis there a way to make gpe-calendar use alarmd?14:33
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pupniksorry i don't know14:35
AStormits crummy alarms don't have a sound14:35
AStormif they did, it'd be ok14:35
pupnikhard to believe actually14:35
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AStormah, they do14:36
AStormsome weirdness :P14:36
AStormstill, alarmd is nicer14:36
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inzAStorm, alarmd doesn't actually do the alarms, it just tells systemui to show a dialog14:51
AStormI know14:52
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AStormdo you know how to get locking in chr key?14:54
AStorm(want to use it as a modifier)14:55
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AStormbonus points for locking ctrl14:55
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KaaLinoinwhat is chr anyway14:58
AStormthe key that shows the stupid char list14:59
AStormit is level 8 modifier though, and can be used in ukeyboard14:59
KaaLinoinill try..   ive been wonderin what it is..  :D15:00
AStormI want to have it autoock15:00
AStormlike shift or fn15:00
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AStormofc mapping lvl 8 will disable the chr list15:00
AStormbut it is yucky anyway15:01
KaaLinoinhow to lock fn?15:02
AStormpress it and it is locked15:02
AStormreacts after you press another key, as opposed to holding15:03
AStormdouble press and it is locked until it is pressed again15:03
KaaLinoindouble press was what i was lookin for15:04
AStormI want to enable that for ctrl and other modifiers too15:04
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AStorm... some maemo-hacker, help?15:10
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AStormhmm, now chr shows the screen keyboard with symbols, funny...15:38
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AStormfunny, it forgot that hw keyboard is extended15:40
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termsigguys any one know where i can find kismet for os2008?15:57
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_maniac_Hello, is maemo suitable for other tablet pc?15:58
AStormnot directly15:59
AStormyou'd need to replace some drivers probably15:59
AStormiff they're the same CPU15:59
AStormif not, you're out of luck16:00
johnx_maniac_, you can run a limited sub-set on any Debian system. That will get you just the core open source parts16:00
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AStormalso, x server would have to be rebuilt16:00
AStormas xserver-omap supports only powervr16:00
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_maniac_its not good16:01
_maniac_any chances of getting linux work on toshiba portege 3500?16:01
AStormapprox. 016:02
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glassattach a usb dvd drive and pop in a livedvd and try?16:02
AStormprotege is x8616:03
AStormyou could run the devel scratchbox on it though16:03
_maniac__any_linux_ that supports wacom digitiser and can rotate screen16:03
glassAStorm: the line said linux16:03
johnxyeah, it will probably tells me that someone was doing that in 200316:04
johnx(running linux on a portege 3500)16:04
AStorm_maniac_: most do16:04
AStormafter you install wacom drivers16:04
AStormUbuntu supports that, i.e.16:04
NaviIt's an x86 tablet PC16:04
Navidon't see why you can't :P16:05
_maniac_ok. I'll try. thanks.16:05
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AStormwhy did he end up here? :P16:06
johnxmaybe googled for tablet and got maemo info16:06
AStormbtw, any idea where can I configure sticky keys of maemo?16:07
AStormwant to add stickiness to ctrl and level5 shift16:07
NaviI kind of want a full tablet PC to draw on16:07
Navibut I don't gots teh moolah16:07
AStormNavi: they're very expensive :/16:08
NaviPlus, I suck at drawing anyways >_>16:08
* Navi is out of practice16:08
AStorm... ;( where is thnat config of sticky keys...16:08
AStormmaybe it's X config or at-spi...16:08
AStormno X config16:09
AStormno option in hal16:10
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Veggen_Astorm: mmm, tell me when you find out the stickiness :)16:13
AStormif I find it16:14
Veggen_(I'll probably look for the answer myself, too, when I find the time)16:14
AStormit is software definitely16:14
Khertanwhy all free xhtml/css web site template look like so the same with different colors ...16:14
AStormdone by hildon-input-method16:14
Veggen_Astorm: They have done something very weird with the xkb stuff. I tried modifying the fisenoda layout, that's the one I use, and couldn't get it to work.16:15
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Veggen_Then I copied the setup to the "de" layout, and there it worked.16:16
AStormtry ukeyboard, will you?16:16
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AStormyeah, google for it16:17
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jotti bet the stickiness is hidden in hildon-input-method-framework16:17
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jottit would be too easy for nokia to use xaccess16:18
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johnxway to easy. Don't ever acuse Nokia of taking the easy way out when it comes to just reusing someone else's open source code. :P16:19
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AStormthey should've just used at-spi16:20
AStormas GNOME intended16:21
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jottbut its hildon not gnome :P16:21
AStormfound a nice thing, hildon-im-xkbtool16:21
AStormyou can set typematic rate there16:21
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AStormI'll try xmodmap stickiness options...16:25
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AStormlet's see how OLPC does that16:27
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AStormit might be that they use accessX, but badly configures16:31
jottAStorm: just patch hildon-i-m-framework :>16:31
AStormyeah sure16:32
Khertanwhat do u think of this two template ?,
AStormrather disable it and just use accessx16:32
jottand patch Xomap to support accessx? :)16:33
AStormall X servers since XFree86 3 support it16:33
AStormunless they ripped support out16:33
jottwell its kdrive not xorg/xfree86 who knows ;)16:33
AStormI think the mod is done in some gtk config file16:34
johnxKhertan, I prefer the first. I run firefox at ~800 pixels wide on N800 and desktop, so having the content to the left looks better to me16:34
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Khertanjohnx > good point ... menu on right16:36
AStormI had once managed to get menu on right16:36
Khertanit s made it easy to display text ... but more difficult to navigate16:36
AStormsome weird situation16:36
AStormit became movable somehow16:36
jottAStorm: after rotation it get moveable16:37
Khertanin fact i m still looking for something new ... mine is too grey ...16:37
Khertanmore funny ... more web 2.0 ... more more :)16:37
johnxKhertan, well the other thing is that the first design (blue/grey) actually fits in my browser window, while the second has unused space on the left and thus requires horizontal scrolling...16:37
Khertani'm still have no idea ...16:37
Khertanjohnx > it s due to stupid fix center16:37
Khertanjohnx > that could be easily fixed16:38
johnxit really seems like there just aren't that many  good proportional templates out there...16:38
Naviweb 2.0 is teh sux16:38
AStormnow my chr key stopped responding, lol16:38
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KhertanNavi > depends on what you name web 2.016:38
Khertanfor me it s a progress ...16:38
jottAStorm: xomap seems to support accessx16:38
Khertancss2 / xhtml :)16:39
GeneralAntillesI'm ready for Web 3.0!16:39
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AStormjott: whee16:39
Khertanfor other it s just stupid social web site ...16:39
NaviKhertan, pfft, css2 is depreciated.  css3 \o/16:39
jottprobably has to be started with +accessx16:39
AStormnow we only have to mod hildon-input-method16:39
johnx"Web 2.0" the buzz word is kind of annoying, and often incorrectly used to hype things. But a lot of the stuff built with AJAX seems nice16:39
AStormto disable its own stickies16:39
Khertannavi > so you say that microb is depreciated too ?16:39
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NaviKhertan, yes16:39
Khertanoki :)16:39
NaviAt least the current build is16:40
Navifor 4.016:40
Khertanthe purpose is that my futur site doesn't look ugly on microb too16:40
GeneralAntillesKeep it simple!16:40
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KhertanGeneralAntilles > yes ... it s the difficulty16:41
Khertansimple ... but look beautiful ;)16:41
GeneralAntillesWeb 2.0 really doesn't have all that much to do with css or xhtml.16:41
MangoFusionmarketing hype, that's all it is16:42
Khertanall free template look like the default wordpress blog template ...16:42
Khertanhow i can found idea with this ! :P16:43
GeneralAntillesMake your own.16:44
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jotthrw: nice16:44
KhertanGeneralAntilles > it s what i do ... but i leak idea on how it should be ... it s why i'm looking other16:45
Khertanlook at the actual ... i ve done it myself ... but ... heak ... !16:45
johnxhrw, that rocks! I'll definitely look at that later16:46
hrwjott: when it will be finished (with networking and more storage) it will be nice test platform. with distcc support it will also fly as sdk tool16:46
X-Fadehrw: Oh that looks really sweet!16:46
jottindeed. with networking this will rock for testing stuff16:47
qwerty12_N800hrw: great! I hate connecting over usb16:47
VeggenAstorm: I'm mapping all the characters I use on the chr key, and use it as a ISO_Level5_switch/Mod316:48
Veggen(thus not getting the popup keyboard, but I don't mind that)16:49
Khertanoopss ... sorry16:49
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hrwVeggen: use ukeyboard for own keymap too16:57
hrwVeggen: it already contain my keymap (Polish) which use Chr key for extra chars16:58
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AStormwhich is pointless w/o sticky chr16:58
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AStormnow, let's see how accessx works16:59
hrwAStorm: I blame nokia^Wmaemo for it16:59
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AStormneed a thingy to configure it17:05
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AStormstandard combos17:11
AStorm5x shift = sticky keys17:11
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AStormthis works for ctrl at least, checking chr...17:13
AStormworks too, complete success17:14
VeggenAstorm: hm?17:14
AStormit seems to be disabled bz switching apps17:14
VeggenI seem to remember that some things could be done either locally in the app or globally.17:15
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Veggen(i.e. valid for only app or all X session)17:15
AStormnow I have to create a polish ukezboard like this for german keyboard17:17
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AStormż will be mapped to chr+y17:18
AStorm(to not break numbers)17:18
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AStormI have that17:20
AStormbut I have a german keyboard17:20
AStormwe can use cheap-accessx util17:21
hrwAStorm: and you want qwertz layout?17:21
jotthis hardware is qwertz ;)17:21
AStormonly proper specials on Fn17:21
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hrwjott: but <AB01> is still <AB01>17:22
AStormright now im tzping them blind17:22
hrwso only marks on keyboard are different17:22
AStormand im used to them17:22
AStormI can live with y and z swapped17:23
hrwAStorm: ok - so you want Polish layout with German marks?17:23
AStormbut not  with all the specials diff17:23
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AStormI can write a better one mzself, thanks17:23
hrwAStorm: install ukeyboard, create layout for you and send it to me ok?17:23
AStormwhich will make use of all buckz bits avail17:24
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AStormI have ukeyboard alreadzy17:24
AStormgah :P17:24
hrwok, but as author of Polish layout in ukeyboard I want to get alternative one too17:24
AStormyou will :)17:24
AStormIm writing it now17:25
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guardianwhat does "Ign file: chinook Release" message mean when running apt-get inside a chinook (4.0) target ?17:39
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AStormis there a "SIX_LEVEL" setting in xkb definition file?18:02
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hrwno idea18:02
hrwguys: which pdf viewer for os2008 you suggest?18:03
AStormevince rocks18:03
AStormits already available18:03
hrwwhich repo?18:03
AStormextras-devel has a non-crashy version18:03
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KiKi__hardware question: what is the typical current at loading a N800?18:06
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hrwAStorm: I did not had extras-devel enabled ;D18:06
KiKi__any ideas? should be about 300 - 500 mA, would it be possible to load with less than 300 mA ?18:07
hrwKiKi__: what you are charging with?18:08
hrwcrap 4th party charger which costs 3 cents?18:09
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KiKi__no, i plan to load my n800 with a solar cell18:10
KiKi__voltage is fixed to 5V with about 250 mA @ max sun18:12
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hrwin worst situation it will not charge18:12
hrwI use nokia ac-4e which gives 5v 890mA18:13
hrwbut also have nokia acp-12x 5.7v/800mA (n810 charger)18:13
hrwac-4e is from 77018:13
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hrwacp-7e give 3.7v/355mA but I do not like that one18:14
hrwac-4x gives 5v/890mA18:15
hrwok, no more nokia chargers here18:15
hrwacp-7e is clone of nokia one18:16
KiKi__possibility 1: load a small cell-pack (6 or even 7.2V) with the solar cell and load the N800 with the cells  or  possibility 2: take a bigger solar cell and hope, that there is enourgh current18:16
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AStormor 318:24
AStormtake a small cell pack and load the battery while N is running18:24
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KiKi__thats the idea... but why not use a small solarcell to load the cell-pack18:25
AStormI have some TF1 clone which is rated 650 mA18:26
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fysacould you have a solar cell and a crank?19:03
KiKi__crank ?19:05
KiKi__crank = idea ?19:06
KiKi__sorry, my english isnt so good19:06
fysahand creek19:09
fysahand crank19:09
fysaone sec19:09
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KiKi__lol ... no, a  hand crank is NO option ...19:12
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hrw|goneI will mention once more ;D19:13
KiKi__but a solarcell at 175 * 110 mm shout be enourgh for loading the N800 2 times a day19:14
qwerty12I was already on that page :P19:14
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ekahi all19:14
KiKi__at a sunny day19:14
ekaits there any port of the preload?19:14
ekacause I have seen how fast the iPhone loads all the apps, and I feel bad about it19:15
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KiKi__what is the best office application for N800 ?19:20
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qwerty12Does anyone have a list of the OS2008 media players that use gstreamer?19:38
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pupnikfrom, category Computer History: "What is the difference between 8 bit and 16 bit ina computer"  A: 8 bit computer can only display 256 colors while a 16 bit computer can display 64,000 colors20:02
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elbsergio_: in or out, boy20:11
sergio_ei sorry guy20:11
sergio_just trying some xchat script magic :-)20:12
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elbone normally tries such things without auto-joining large public channels20:14
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* hd420 is wondering where to find openssh for os 200820:16
khertan__in a repository ...20:16
inzmaemo extras20:17
* KotCzarny i wondering if hd420 is lazy or just has broken repos20:17
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hd420Kot: the latter20:17
* lcuk grabs a beer20:17
hd420I just upgraded to the latest os image, so lost my repositories20:17
* lcuk offers anyone a bottle20:17
KotCzarnytry enabling extras repos as inz suggested20:18
KotCzarnyin app-man20:18
KotCzarnyhi lcuk20:18
lcukevening kot :) productive day?20:18
KotCzarnyi would like some sleep20:18
lcukok, productive night?20:18
lcukoh you havent yet20:18
lcukyou sound like i did yesterday20:18
lcukits been like im dyslexic for the last couple of days20:19
lcukive been thinking im typing clearly but its all mumbojumbo20:19
hd420ok... i see the distribution is blank, is that what it's supposed to be?20:19
lcukif you are going off shift is the latest on ftp - i feel a couple of new modules coming20:20
KotCzarnyif you can use latest20:20
lcukexcellent, ill have a shuftie properly now and see whats happenin20:20
KotCzarnyi won't touch the code20:20
KotCzarnyhave you tried circles fun ?20:20
lcuki saw them for about 3 seconds this morning before my nit died of battery fatigue20:21
KotCzarnybtw. aa is controlled in plot/outpixel function20:21
KotCzarnydon't remember exactly20:21
KotCzarnylook for *0.820:21
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lcukill move into yours..20:23
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lopzSomeone used pybluez?20:25
AStormfresh new Polish keyboard layout: Ω20:26
lopzmodule for bluetooth20:26
KotCzarnyastorm: fail, unless it's utf20:26
KotCzarnylcuk: :)20:26
lcukastorm, sort out your install problem from earlier?20:26
AStormKotCzarny: it is utf-820:26
KotCzarnylcuk: do you use aim/yahoo im or something? or ircnet?20:27
lcukgmail has chat but never played20:27
lcukdunno which it connects to20:27
KotCzarnybtw. xchat/irssi has multiserver capability i think20:28
AStormKotCzarny: it was omega letter20:29
AStormI've added Greek as an option, nice for entering math, although hard to reach20:30
AStormΘ - theta20:30
KotCzarnylooks like I^20:30
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AStormuse UTF-820:30
KotCzarnyone day i will20:31
KotCzarnyright now i prefer ascii/latin220:31
AStormzażółc gęślą jaźn20:31
hd420maemo extras connection failed :(20:31
AStormate ć20:31
KotCzarnyza¿ó³æ gê¶l± ja¼ñ20:31
AStorm« KotCzarny »20:32
* KotCzarny yawns20:32
AStorm„quote test”20:32
KotCzarnylcuk: btw. something segfaults, i suspect handling strokes20:34
AStormNokia® Maemo™20:34
KotCzarnymay be my code too though20:34
lcukill find out - it was faulting last night - first frustrating night ;) i try not to leave it broken so i can play with it and see what to do next20:35
hd420grr... this is not good at all20:35
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KotCzarnylcuk: the problem is that this segv isn't consistent20:38
KotCzarnysometimes it takes one tap, sometimes few tens of strokes20:38
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KotCzarnyand gdb isn't working because 'pc wasn't saved'20:39
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lcuki usually color things in and then wait half an hour when clearing screen because of all the clear code generation.  it handles lots of stroke usually20:39
lcukill see20:40
KotCzarnylcuk: sometimes circles get R=0 as param20:41
KotCzarny(that's the case when only 4 points show up20:42
KotCzarnyi think20:42
AStorm1 point, actually20:42
KotCzarnyyou don't see the code20:42
AStorm4 points is R=120:42
AStormat least, should be20:43
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KotCzarnyhmm, or it may be negative R20:45
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AStormR=0.5 is also 4 points20:46
AStormw/o a blank in the middle20:47
KotCzarnymore probably R is negative in those cases20:47
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KotCzarnywhy not?20:50
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KotCzarnylcuk, btw. you can enable msgs from unregistered users20:57
KotCzarny  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on20:57
AStormmegabyte405: any chancd I could enroll in your abiword tests?20:57
AStorm(yeah, I know, PM and so...)20:58
AStormMy handle on ITT forum is AstralStorm.20:58
megabyte405AStorm: pm20:59
megabyte405I send out invites in batches20:59
AStormmhm, I'll do that then20:59
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AStormIt's probably still thoroughly broken, but anyway.21:00
AStormI could take a closer look on the source.21:01
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megabyte405AStorm: its brokenness is documented in the thread21:04
megabyte405It does work, I just wouldn't recommend it to the church secretary yet21:04
AStormI know it is :)21:04
megabyte405if you've got some coding skills, I'd love to have some help tracking down those bugs21:04
AStormAs I said, I've read it.21:04
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AStormI'll try.21:04
* megabyte405 is happy someone does :)21:04
megabyte405The build instructions are on the abiword-ite subversion21:04
AStormBuilding by me is impossible until I get my build env sorted out.21:06
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lcukok unfiltered is on21:10
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megabyte405AStorm: the instructions are based on using the vmware21:15
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AStormI know. I have to ge it up and running - it mysteriously didn't work for me21:18
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megabyte405ah, right, the /etc/resolv.conf is apparently quite buggered in all possible forms21:36
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harryslammHas anyone got a celluon bluetooth keyboard to work with the n810?21:46
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megabyte405if it's hid it should just work, if it's serial it needs another pgoram21:54
AStormhrw|gone: sent you a mail with the keymap21:55
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zerodegrehey guys is there an app i can install on the nb810 to get an onscreen keyboard like the n800 had?22:51
zerodegreinstead of using the keyboard?22:51
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elbno, bcause it's built in22:53
zerodegrei know that lol22:54
zerodegrei have the 81022:55
zerodegrebut i would still like to use the onscreen keytboard if i wanted to22:55
tank-mantake a look here , seems like you can
zerodegreanother question, can anyone record from streamtuner on th 810?22:59
zerodegrewhen i press record it says no command is set for "record a stream"23:00
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sbkevening gentlemen23:28
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KotCzarnyzerodegre: look for xvkbd or xkbd23:33
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sbkdoes anyone know why when I try to get OS200823:36
sbkit says: Product ID not valid. Please re-enter the 12-digit code.23:36
sbkI just bought this thing from newegg lol23:36
KotCzarnyenter with/without ':' ?23:37
sbkoh I have23:37
sbksomeone in here told me to put in the same code, but randomize a few digits at the end23:37
sbkbut I dont remember which23:37
KotCzarnylast one23:37
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sbkdo you remember that GeneralAntilles23:38
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sbkKotCzarny: do you have a copy of OS2008?23:39
sbkI need to format my N81023:39
KotCzarnymine was already flashed to 200823:39
sbkyeah same here, but I need to format it23:39
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