| flo_lap | jott: should be easy to arrange in berlin | 00:00 |
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| jott | flo_lap: yeah sure still needs some coordination | 00:00 |
| flo_lap | jott: indeed... would be good to have someone who knows the city | 00:00 |
| jott | KotCzarny: http://xkcd.com/364/ i was more thinking of this :> | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | jott: :) | 00:01 |
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| KotCzarny | jott: you mean getting drunk and being irresponsible? | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:02 |
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| jott | pssst | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | i don't get it | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | why people drink? | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | ie. mind numbing beverages | 00:04 |
| glass | it makes life more tolerable | 00:04 |
| * glass had to stop drinking, pancreas couldn't handle it | 00:04 | |
| KotCzarny | is life so untolerable? | 00:04 |
| glass | yes | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 00:05 |
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| KotCzarny | but it often introduces new problems | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | to the existing ones | 00:05 |
| glass | sometimes | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | see jott's link | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:05 |
| glass | for some it works too good(for a short time) | 00:06 |
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| KotCzarny | like cocaine? | 00:06 |
| glass | and some just do plain silly stuff | 00:06 |
| glass | though some theorise that they might want to do the silly stuff when sober too(but can stop themselfs) | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 00:07 |
| glass | "the truth is in wine" or how the saying goes | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | i would disagree | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | good liar could lie being drunk too | 00:07 |
| glass | yes | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | and most often drunk people just talk trash | 00:08 |
| glass | i could do that | 00:08 |
| glass | i did enjoy drinking | 00:08 |
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| glass | whiskeys, cognacs for just taste too | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | i drank during my college years | 00:08 |
| glass | well, why did you drink then? | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | social thing | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | and curiosity | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | 'what's in this' | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | and learning my body reactions | 00:09 |
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| glass | alcohol just happens to be the socially accepted drug | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | only because it's easy to make | 00:10 |
| glass | it's got lots of shitty effects | 00:10 |
| unixSnob | Now you should try your reactions to SallyD KotC | 00:10 |
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| glass | KotCzarny: cultural thing as well | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob: been there, done that | 00:10 |
| unixSnob | (before it's outlawed) | 00:10 |
| jobu | hmmm, can you boot off a card in read only mode? | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | glass: because it's easy to make | 00:10 |
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| unixSnob | howd ya like it? | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob: helped for my bad moods | 00:11 |
| glass | KotCzarny: weed is easy to grow too, but alcohol was popular in europe earlier | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | glass: weed wasn't global | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | alcohol is a substance that can be made with everything | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | (nearly) | 00:11 |
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| glass | yeah | 00:11 |
| glass | i'm just bitter about the crappier effects | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | if columbus discovered weed instead of tobacco | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | we would have ganja corporations by now | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:12 |
| glass | that cause me being unable to drink(or face pancreatitis again) | 00:12 |
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| KotCzarny | the only thing i can think about alco is that's easy and popular | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | and 'legal' | 00:14 |
| pupnik | :/ | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | and people like easy ways to run from problems | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: ? | 00:15 |
| pupnik | no comment | 00:15 |
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| pupnik | good food, a nice woman, and a nice snes RPG | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:16 |
| jott | but drinking a beer does not mean getting drunk. | 00:17 |
| t_s_o | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080409-first-look-mozilla-fennec-targets-handheld-browser-market.html <- ouch. does not look good for microb... | 00:17 |
| jott | (at least not necessarily) | 00:17 |
| wnd | if you want have you head all messed up really cheap, try sleep deprivation ;-) | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | wnd: been there, done that | 00:18 |
| t_s_o | i can attest to that wnd, 48 hours and it was as if i was drunk... | 00:18 |
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| jott | KotCzarny: you are straight edge now? | 00:18 |
| wnd | I don't really know how it is like to be drunk, but I know it really makes it difficut to think straight | 00:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How do you mean, t_s_o? | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | jott: not there yet, because i'm lacking in social department | 00:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That MicroB benchmark is from the release last year. :P | 00:19 |
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| t_s_o | ah, oops... | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is from a very early Gecko 1.9 snapshot. | 00:19 |
| t_s_o | so when diablo gets releases we will see the graph drop to fennec levels? | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | wnd: being drunk disables body first, then your ability to judge (id gets over) | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | If not better | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since MicroB is better optimized for the tablets. | 00:20 |
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| t_s_o | heh, hope so. i see some very interesting configs on itt | 00:20 |
| Navi | Not really | 00:20 |
| Navi | The optimizations to the layout engine is... rather lacking. | 00:21 |
| t_s_o | fit to width and all that? | 00:21 |
| jobu | anyone know what the default filesystem on a sdhc card? like 4gb? | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | vfat | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | fat16 can only do 2gb | 00:22 |
| jobu | know the partition code? w | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | probably 'b' | 00:22 |
| jobu | okies | 00:22 |
| t_s_o | hmm, anyone know if microsoft will release info on that new fat format they announced? | 00:22 |
| Navi | Fit to width is borked | 00:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We haven't received an update in months. | 00:24 |
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| KotCzarny | i like those big graphs that show 2 numbers in 50kb | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | sorry, 200kb | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | http://media.arstechnica.com/news.media/fennec-bench.png | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | and it's a great news for meamo | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | arm optimized browser, rejoice! | 00:27 |
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| khertan__ | Is there someone here which have right to push packages on maemo repository ? | 00:27 |
| khertan__ | now news since ten hours i ve send it ... to extras ... is it normal ? | 00:28 |
| khertan__ | s/now/no | 00:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, talk to X-Fade_. | 00:29 |
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| khertan__ | ah thanks ... | 00:30 |
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| khertan__ | arg need to register | 00:30 |
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| KotCzarny | huh, now rename the other one to 'Khertan_TheImaginary' | 00:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:32 |
| khertan__ | lol | 00:32 |
| jott | KotCzarny: sad that the same does not apply for the rendering speed as it seems (alteast desktop ff3 is still super slow) | 00:32 |
| khertan__ | it s at work ;) | 00:32 |
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| KotCzarny | jott, hum, still, nice news that work is being done | 00:33 |
| jott | indeed | 00:33 |
| * lcuk ponders | 00:33 | |
| KotCzarny | 'MS issues updated updater needed for SP1 update' | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 00:34 |
| khertan__ | MS Style ... | 00:35 |
| jott | News update: MS updates info about updated updater needed for SP1 update | 00:35 |
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| KotCzarny | update error: success. | 00:35 |
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| KotCzarny | fail | 00:36 |
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| KotCzarny | (on 100px wide screen) | 00:36 |
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| khertan__ | oups ... stupid shortcut | 00:36 |
| khertan__ | sorry | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 00:37 |
| jott | haha banner your life | 00:37 |
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| khertan__ | lol | 00:37 |
| lcuk | somebody set us up the bomb | 00:37 |
| * KotCzarny sets up bomb for lcuk (at his request) | 00:37 | |
| KotCzarny | รณ | 00:38 |
| lcuk | We got signal! | 00:38 |
| Navi | ... | 00:38 |
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| khertan__ | why cat need always to play with my screen each time i m in front of my computer | 00:39 |
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| KotCzarny | install cat typing detector | 00:40 |
| khertan__ | as i don't use mouse it shouldn't be attracted by that ... | 00:40 |
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| jott | the cat want's to use the keyboard mouse | 00:40 |
| Navi | Woo | 00:41 |
| unixSnob | hey.. anyone attempt to connect a USB keyboard to the NIT? That is, a USB keyboard that has the larger connector? I'm wondering if theres an adapter that would work, and if I can expect the NIT to automatically recognize it | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | you will need to switch to hostmode though | 00:43 |
| lcuk | unixSnob, use the nokia provided charger cable and a female - female dongle | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | and check for power rating | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | more than 100mA and it will fail often | 00:43 |
| lcuk | there is a software toggle as kot has mentioned | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, jolouis makes an OTG dongle | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | in my faq | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:44 |
| jobu | time to find out if it was my card or not, got my hands on another one XD | 00:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15705 | 00:44 |
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| unixSnob | this is my keyboard: http://www.gyration.com/c-2-mice-keyboards.aspx | 00:44 |
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| unixSnob | ty | 00:44 |
| jobu | seprgj[ sgjis ero[igj seriogjs erg | 00:45 |
| unixSnob | ha, and what's funny is I got one of these USB kits that has just about every kind of USB adapter you can imagine, except this one | 00:46 |
| jobu | i can't believe all the time i wasted was cuz of my stupid card | 00:46 |
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| jobu | works fine with new one -_- | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | jobu: happy now? | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | at least you learned new things | 00:46 |
| jobu | sorta lol | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | so now you can have 2gb internal os | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | and 4gb external storage | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:46 |
| jobu | well new card is 1gb | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | still, bigger than 256mb | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:47 |
| jobu | so i have about 640mb free | 00:47 |
| jobu | with 64mb fat | 00:47 |
| jobu | which is still nice but i don't know if it will be enough to install all compiling tools and compile omniorb XD | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | you can always partition that 4gb card | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | to snatch some space | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:48 |
| khertan__ | what do u think of this web site design ? : file:///home/khertan/Bureau/motion/index.html | 00:48 |
| khertan__ | oups | 00:48 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:48 |
| jobu | hrm, so any thoughts on how to tell what was causing it like perhaps some boot sector thing? | 00:48 |
| khertan__ | http://khertan.net/motion/ | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think the maemo software tab is a little big | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | its expansion is rathe jarring. | 00:49 |
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| jobu | well, to any of you thinking of booting off SD card, my PQI card fails so i'd avoid that brand | 00:49 |
| elb | maybe that's why they're so cheap ;-) | 00:49 |
| jobu | ya lol | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Otherwise it looks great, khertan__. | 00:50 |
| jobu | but it works fine in my digi cam so oh well | 00:50 |
| jott | khertan__: it looks nice but it's unusable :) | 00:50 |
| khertan__ | jott & GeneralAntilles : ok ... i find this nice ... but for a small site ... it s unusable ... and no really navigation friendly | 00:51 |
| jott | (e.g. switching from maemo software to the sections below) | 00:51 |
| khertan__ | s/ but for a small site/ but for a small site only | 00:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The design would be fine if each of the tabs were less than a page in length. | 00:52 |
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| khertan__ | so there would be to many tabs ... which not fit in the size of the page. | 00:54 |
| khertan__ | i vetested with a lower resolution than mine (n810) .... unusable | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Other option would be to arrange the tabs along the top | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | and have them swipe from left/right. | 00:56 |
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| unixSnob | hey w/ that adapter, I can use the NIT to power a USB mini refridgerator! :P | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | you only have 100mA | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, no. :P | 00:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's only 100mA | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'd need a powered hub. ;) | 00:58 |
| unixSnob | hmm.. i thought usb was spec'd to 500 mA | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's OTG spec | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | not fullsize spec | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob: it wasn't meant to be used in host mode | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | The battery isn't juicy enough to push 500mA | 00:58 |
| lcuk | it is, but only for about 5 minutes | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same difference. ;) | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, anyone tried? | 01:01 |
| lcuk | no, 100 is hardware limit | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:01 |
| lcuk | and actually, yes i know it is because my kb is 100ma rated. when i push one key at a time it works | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | i believe i have seen 200mA number somewhere | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | describing the port | 01:02 |
| lcuk | but when i chord it knocked the power draw over 100ma and the usb chip dies a horrible battery popping heart stopping death... | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | add capacitor? | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:03 |
| lcuk | no, 100ma is the USB initial interface wake up draw. an OTB device must not ever attempt to draw or supply more than this figure | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | sounds like for chording it could help | 01:03 |
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| lcuk | after the init stage a full usb adapter can go upto 500ma but there is not the same requirement for otg | 01:03 |
| lcuk | it doesnt matter i got apple wireless | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, if you go to LinuxTag you have to start a PowerVR riot. :P | 01:04 |
| unixSnob | Is it possible that my Gyration USB keyboard/mouse transceiver would attempt to draw more than 100 mA? | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | read it's specs | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | should be on the bottom | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 01:07 |
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| nelson | unixSnob: it's definitely possible. | 01:08 |
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| nelson | sigh. maemo-mapper can't load a 9MB GPX file into memory. | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | enable swap ? | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | or it simply states that it's too big? | 01:09 |
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| nelson | it simply crashes. | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | it may be killed by oom killer | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | dmesg|tail | 01:11 |
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| KotCzarny | you will see | 01:11 |
| nelson | it probably uses some silly XML library which reads the entire file into memory, and creates a data structure. | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | if that's the case enabling swap could help | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go talk to gnuite. | 01:11 |
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| nelson | Oh, I didn't expect it work. Even if it loaded it, I expect that the render time would put me to sleep. | 01:12 |
| unixSnob | There's no power specs on the AS00216 transceiver.. but I don't think it will hurt to try. Certainly the NIT won't over power it, and underpowering doesn't fry things | 01:12 |
| nelson | we're talking about over 1 lakh vectors | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | lakh ? | 01:13 |
| nelson | we have words for 1E3 and 1E6. Indians have words for 1E5 (lakh) and 1E7 (crore) | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 01:14 |
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| nelson | lakh: translation: "a lot" | 01:14 |
| nelson | crore: translation: "a fucking lot" | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:14 |
| nelson | they have a show: "Who wants to be a Crorepati?" | 01:15 |
| nelson | you can guess how the show goes, I'll venture. | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | is it a play on the word 'psychopatic' ? | 01:15 |
| derf | Even storing 8 double's worth of data per vector, 100,000 vectors is still only 6MB of real data. | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | derf: add info tag | 01:16 |
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| derf | I don't know what you're putting in your info tag... but you can still fit quite a lot before you run into problems. | 01:18 |
| pupnik | hi is anybody bored? | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | i am | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never, pupnik. :D | 01:18 |
| KotCzarny | though i'm in a bad mood | 01:18 |
| nelson | yeah, but I believe that maemo-mapper is using an xml library. Anybody want to venture a guess as to whether it's memory efficient? | 01:18 |
| unixSnob | found the USB adapter for $7 shipped: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000Y6UL5E/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A1SHTSJSJQA89P&v=glance | 01:18 |
| lcuk | pupnik, quick word | 01:18 |
| pupnik | xu4 could use a touchscreen interface | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | unixSnob, I'd get the one from jolouis. | 01:19 |
| KotCzarny | new lib? | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'll switch to host-mode automagically. | 01:19 |
| KotCzarny | ie. new ver? | 01:19 |
| unixSnob | ah, nice | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus, you'll be supporting the community. :P | 01:19 |
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| nelson | yeah, it's swapping already. | 01:20 |
| KotCzarny | how much? | 01:20 |
| nelson | pupnik: do you support X and a mouse already? | 01:20 |
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| pupnik | i support X for president | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | can we trust X ? | 01:21 |
| pupnik | nelson for xu4? | 01:21 |
| lcuk | x11? | 01:21 |
| nelson | pupnik: that's what I'm asking. Does xu4 support X11 and a mouse? | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | x11 looks like 'multiply by 11' | 01:22 |
| pupnik | no | 01:23 |
| pupnik | do you like ultima? | 01:24 |
| pupnik | i can work on it some more ... but i really just play xu4 with bluetooth or n810 kbd | 01:24 |
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| unixSnob | as a rule, are these mini USB sockets like what's on the NIT normally in client mode? | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | it's called 'device mode' | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 01:30 |
| lcuk | yes, however the socket/plug specification allows for a hostmode cable which if configured at the pins will automatically enabled hosted usb sessions | 01:30 |
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| Ziegler | Megahoc.v22 ??? Anyone familiar with it? | 01:30 |
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| Ziegler | Its some ad hoc connection that seems to follow me where ever i go. | 01:31 |
| lcuk | but it cannot be done with the nokia cable because it is not connected inside the moulded cable | 01:31 |
| lcuk | first adhoc listed in your connections. its like freelan or whatever it is | 01:32 |
| Ziegler | City wide? | 01:32 |
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| lcuk | at one point you will have attempted to connect to it, because its adhoc it stays in your list, and you are yourself giving it out to others ;) | 01:33 |
| Ziegler | Ohhhhh | 01:33 |
| lcuk | it tries to rebuild itself by broadcasting that its adhoc, someone else nearby tries connecting and whammo... its on their list so when you get back home even after clearing it up the person down the road tries to offer it you again | 01:33 |
| lcuk | its a very elegant virus :) | 01:34 |
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| lcuk | (blame microsoft i think) | 01:34 |
| Ziegler | That would explain why my work mates started seeing it also | 01:34 |
| lcuk | there are certain names sweeping around towns and some common ones involve the free ones | 01:34 |
| lcuk | i read a great article on it earlier this week | 01:34 |
| lcuk | ill find it.. | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 01:35 |
| Ziegler | Wonderful... I tried to google it and came out not knowing much | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | ziegler: you want it to spread to google too? | 01:35 |
| Ziegler | Lol | 01:35 |
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| Ziegler | Any reason to adhoc two tablets? | 01:37 |
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| Navi | Fun | 01:38 |
| Navi | Bomberman | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | ziegler: sharing a phone conenction? | 01:38 |
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| lcuk | 2 player games would be AMAZING | 01:38 |
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| lcuk | nintendo ds :) | 01:39 |
| lcuk | x player games... | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | multiplayer over different platform would rock | 01:39 |
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| Ziegler | So.... Could i create an adhoc cennection and have other devices do the same thing... Spread my silly adhoc name? | 01:40 |
| megabyte405 | Ziegler: yes, in theory | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:40 |
| Ziegler | (Not planning to... Just curriuos if it works that way) | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | it's like a chain lettor | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:41 |
| lcuk | Infected by the Free Public Wifi virus http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/travel/business/article3554838.ece | 01:41 |
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| Ziegler | Hehe thats quite rediculous | 01:41 |
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| lcuk | plenty of other links available, but thats basically the article and available to find more from there :) | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | free public adhoc network would be nice | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:41 |
| Ziegler | Danke | 01:41 |
| lcuk | "FREE INTERWEB PORN" | 01:41 |
| Ziegler | Lol | 01:42 |
| Ziegler | Thanks for the info... Sorry abot the off topic | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | tube me, tube you | 01:42 |
| Ziegler | Figured you all would have an answer | 01:42 |
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| KotCzarny | yessir, we are hax0rz | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | hax0rz know everything | 01:44 |
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| KotCzarny | (future perfect) | 01:45 |
| nelson | lcuk: I was wondering where Free Public Wifi came from.... | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | i should setup 'free cookies' | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:49 |
| celesteh | ooooooh the Free Public Wifi! | 01:52 |
| celesteh | I've seen that, like everywhere | 01:52 |
| celesteh | I should rename my wifi network to that. Give my housemates a fit | 01:53 |
| * KotCzarny luckily doesn't see it on the list | 01:53 | |
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| lcuk | thats cos your network list is filled with "free midget porn" :P | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | nope, nothing with 'free' | 01:55 |
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| lcuk | i wonder actually if this could be why my nokia turns network back on in the night - if something comes around and wakes up mine (which is set to adhoc) whether it will wakeup and broadcast itself even though i have it configured to ask for connection | 01:56 |
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| shapr | The "Free Public Wifi" I saw in Chicago's O'Hare airport was there to break into Windows computers from the "local network" when they tried to connect. | 01:56 |
| shapr | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6122707.html | 01:57 |
| lcuk | not at all - it will have just been someones windows laptop and nothing odd especially after reading the other articles | 01:57 |
| lcuk | it doesnt take hackers, it takes business managers running microsofts cludges | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:58 |
| shapr | lcuk: Try it with a honeypot in O'Hare :-) | 01:58 |
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| KotCzarny | shapr: does it do linux boxes too? | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:59 |
| shapr | Nah | 01:59 |
| lcuk | but if they were 1337 hax0rz wouldnt they have linux skills? | 02:00 |
| shapr | At least, Linux isn't less secure when it's on the "local network" | 02:00 |
| Ziegler | Its not really a virus.. It doesnt do any harm... Just remove it for the connections list | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | zieglar: it could | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | human is the weakest link | 02:00 |
| Ziegler | Yes it coild | 02:00 |
| Ziegler | Could... If somone one the othe end was using it for suce purposes | 02:01 |
| lcuk | BAN LAPTOPS. this virus would not spread if laptops are illegal. | 02:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:01 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: wm based phones? | 02:01 |
| Ziegler | But the adhoc connection by itself is just funny | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | (with wifi) | 02:02 |
| lcuk | do they have same wifi stack? | 02:02 |
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| KotCzarny | never had one | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | so i can't comment | 02:02 |
| Ziegler | Zig.free.wifi | 02:02 |
| Ziegler | Add hoc on my device now | 02:02 |
| Ziegler | Adhoc | 02:02 |
| lcuk | even i find it hard to believe MS could get two totally seperate design teams to come up with the same behaviour on more than one operating system | 02:02 |
| lcuk | hell, that would mean they were following some kind of a rulebook | 02:03 |
| Ziegler | It did it on my nokia device | 02:03 |
| lcuk | only cos you wanted free internet | 02:03 |
| lcuk | or your missus did | 02:03 |
| Ziegler | Heheh | 02:03 |
| lcuk | or your dog | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: they need some interoperability on their boxes, don't they? | 02:03 |
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| lcuk | yes, but thats whaty a floppy is for | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | it is | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | but not for m$ os | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | it tries to think for you | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | and i guess it will do it in their every project | 02:04 |
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| lcuk | the 4 worst lines of code microsoft ever invented: on error resume next | 02:04 |
| lcuk | bits* | 02:05 |
| Ziegler | Hehe | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | that's one line | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:05 |
| * lcuk thinks you get the idea though | 02:05 | |
| KotCzarny | yup | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | on error print success | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | that one is nice too | 02:06 |
| Ziegler | hehe | 02:06 |
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| KotCzarny | electrostatic fun | 02:10 |
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| lcuk | ok, i'll start simple. i heard earlier that i can add myself to sudoers file at installation time to enable a runtime software turbo option (it will either change to performance, or change the ondemand%threshold) do i need to make a .deb file for that to all work and will the user themselves ever need to be root | 02:12 |
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| lcuk | myself==liqbase program | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:12 |
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| KotCzarny | you should add a script that will ask user | 02:12 |
| lcuk | its optional only so wouldnt change without permission | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | or a carefully crafted suid binary | 02:12 |
| lcuk | no - it will default off, user will have to say "full speed" | 02:13 |
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| KotCzarny | name it lcuk-helper and it will do only 2 things | 02:13 |
| lcuk | i suppose the script could work, but then i need to make sure noone can alter the script to do something im not expecting. but because its a script it will turbo on and turbo off | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | 1/ set default governor, 2/ set performance | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | you can't suid a script | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | it needs to be a binary | 02:14 |
| lcuk | hence me saying add the installed app to it? | 02:14 |
| lcuk | does it need a second binary? | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | though i don't know if it's the case with busybox ash | 02:14 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: you don't want to suid something complicated | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | more ways to introduce exploitable bugs | 02:15 |
| lcuk | agreed | 02:15 |
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| * lcuk can see the logic here | 02:15 | |
| KotCzarny | it's a linux philosophy, do one thing, but do it perfect | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | (or at least good enough [tm]) | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe it's unix | 02:16 |
| lcuk | if thats the case then, couldnt we just call it liq_ondemandtweak? then its name says what it is | 02:16 |
| lcuk | and it could feasibly be used for something else - either all that of course or hope diablo makes it redundant | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | liq_cpufreq_governor_helper | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:17 |
| lcuk | liq_cpufreq_governor_helper -TURBO | 02:17 |
| lcuk | hmmm | 02:18 |
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| KotCzarny | you will have to store default governor somewhere too | 02:18 |
| lcuk | governor isnt so bad | 02:18 |
| lcuk | if i change the %age it reverts after a reboot | 02:19 |
| lcuk | but by default its 80% it just needs lowering to 40 | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | or to anything that was before | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | you don't want to piss of user | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | *off | 02:20 |
| lcuk | yer which is why i was doing it in software as root. grab current, apply turbo. run program. restore original exit | 02:20 |
| lcuk | heh, it could still do it - "runasturbo myprogram" | 02:21 |
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| lcuk | i would prefer to not need it, but i cannot expect a user to install root and i cannot keep bumping up the processing just to force it to be busy. its more of a waste. %age does seem like best avenue at present | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | though sudo way can be nice too | 02:23 |
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| lcuk | but user cannot sudo from the console in device | 02:23 |
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| KotCzarny | installation process has root right -> add your sudo commands -> user's program can run those commands | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | or am i wrong? | 02:24 |
| lcuk | thats the impression i get | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | that i'm wrong? | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 02:24 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:25 |
| lcuk | i thought once you were added to the sudoers list running an instance of that app ran it in root context | 02:25 |
| lcuk | without needing to sudo xyz | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | no, you only add specific command | 02:25 |
| lcuk | sudo checks the permissions and asks the user. items added to sudoers doesnt need to because its trusted | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | and no, you shouldn't add sudo * | 02:26 |
| lcuk | yes - i under stand we add this helper | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | no | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | suid is something else | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | if you add to sudo list: echo performance > /sys/something/governor | 02:27 |
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| KotCzarny | user can do: sudo echo performance > /sys/something/governor | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | and nothing else | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | unless you add '*' somewhere | 02:28 |
| lcuk | will user be asked for password when calling sudo with that command? | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | don't know, probably not if there's NOPASSWORD on the line | 02:28 |
| lcuk | or will it just run the command as a trusted authorized call | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | look in the sudoers file | 02:29 |
| lcuk | so, really this could be handled without needing a seperate exe if we just added those echo lines required to switch modes? | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:30 |
| lcuk | that was my next question, where is it? | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | but the command will need to be typed exactly the same | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | visudo ? | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | or somewhere in /etc | 02:30 |
| lcuk | yes i can understand that | 02:30 |
| lcuk | im slowly getting used to things being case sensitive | 02:30 |
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| wnd | surprisingly enough nokia has been wise enough to include visudo in os2008 | 02:30 |
| wnd | if you decide to edit the file, you may want to take a look at the manual page first, http://www.sudo.ws/sudo/man/sudoers.html | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | also it looks like they have modularized it | 02:32 |
| lcuk | ive got LOTS of things to sort out before i even consider touching a single file on somebodies system | 02:32 |
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| * lcuk is still treading on eggshells | 02:32 | |
| KotCzarny | *nix is fun | 02:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles throws ninja stars for luck to dodge. | 02:33 | |
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| * lcuk throws a 2d nokia tablet at GeneralAntilles and neatly slices the screen off his apple laptop | 02:34 | |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't have any laptops, fool! | 02:35 | |
| lcuk | i take it lots of installers still use the older update-sudoers program/script, or is that a part of visudo? | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:~# dpkg -S update-sudoers | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | sudo: /usr/sbin/update-sudoers | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | it's a part of sudo package | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | same for visudo | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | some freaking page eats 100% cpu from my firefox | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | arstechnica.com, doh. | 02:39 |
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| fysa | I had four nasty firefox crashes today, two simultaneously on two different machines that I was using via synergy. | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | bad protons | 02:40 |
| lcuk | badverts? | 02:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firefox fails fysa! | 02:40 |
| fysa | both caused Windows (blech) to fall apart, cascading 100% CPU usage down through explorer.exe and a dozen random rundlls. ;) | 02:40 |
| fysa | breaking news! | 02:40 |
| lcuk | check your firefoxen are patched | 02:41 |
| lcuk | and double check the av.. | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | startkeylogger ? | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:41 |
| lcuk | oh crap!!! its late again | 02:41 |
| fysa | heh | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | To bed! | 02:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Run run run! | 02:42 |
| lcuk | i was meant to be getting an early night but it feels like i have had pro plus | 02:42 |
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| lcuk | how the heck do i get up infront of a load of people and tell them about my nokia? | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have 7 weeks. :P | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure we can think something up. | 02:43 |
| lcuk | and, no i wont be saying anything directly about pvr | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | slides | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | people will look at them | 02:43 |
| lcuk | i hopefully wont need to because ill have fullscreen full color rendering by then | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | and not at you | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:43 |
| phunguy | umm | 02:44 |
| phunguy | i've been wondering | 02:44 |
| lcuk | they will only look at them if i put the software there myself | 02:44 |
| phunguy | wtf is with everyon and the + or - infront of their speech | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's your client, phunguy. | 02:44 |
| lcuk | its ratings - like slashdot or digg | 02:44 |
| lcuk | you can moderate us | 02:44 |
| phunguy | KotCzarny didn't have it before | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | phunguy: hmm? | 02:45 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, if i have slides though it will be like i am coasting | 02:45 |
| lcuk | im not so much bothered about people looking at me, its having enough to say | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: remember, no tvout | 02:45 |
| lcuk | i dont just wanna "ummmmm this nokia rulez, gimme pvr" | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | unless some kind of vnc will be in place | 02:45 |
| lcuk | ill grab a lappy just in case | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | as i said | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | start a blog | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | or diary | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | adn write your thoughts there | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | by the time of linuxtag you will have enough material | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:46 |
| lcuk | yer it is starting to come into shape | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5-10 minutes shouldn't be too hard to fill. | 02:46 |
| * lcuk thinks next week would have been a better time to find out, but take the bullby horns so to speak | 02:47 | |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | maybe nokia should setup some multiplayer room? | 02:47 |
| lcuk | cos i would have something to discuss because people would start to have software | 02:47 |
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| KotCzarny | with free n8x0's | 02:48 |
| lcuk | maemo_play | 02:48 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 02:48 |
| lcuk | would be better to have a chillout room - pupnik has mentioned a room for discsussions about this upcoming thing | 02:48 |
| lcuk | which is wise | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | mmm | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | curry | 02:49 |
| lcuk | right, let me think ill b back tomorrow | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.enigmacurry.com/blog-post-images/mmmcurry.jpg | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:49 |
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| lcuk | gnite all :) thx | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | nite nite | 02:51 |
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| KotCzarny | hi pupnik | 02:56 |
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| mikedep333 | hey, I just got my n800. When you go to flash the device with OS2008, it asks you to fully charge the battery. Will flashing the device cause it to stop using AC power or something? | 03:04 |
| mikedep333 | I don't want to disrupt the initial 12-24 hour charge | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | That charge isn't important on modern batteries. | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | The issue is, if the device is plugged into the charger, it doesn't actually fully power off even when you turn it 'off' | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | so you can never get into flashing mode | 03:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, the easy solution, is to unplug it, turn it off, plug in the USB cable, start the flasher, hold down the Swap/Home key and plug in the charger. | 03:08 |
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| mikedep333 | ok, thanks | 03:09 |
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| KotCzarny | i would like gst-plugins-good bumped to version 0.10.7 | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | has speex, jpg, png etc. added | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:18 |
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| yllus | silly question guys. How can I make the "make" command work? | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | create Makefile | 03:44 |
| yllus | er, sorry, I misstated that. I have a package with a Makefile that I want to compile for my 770. But "make" doesn't work? | 03:45 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:45 |
| KotCzarny | are you compiling on device or in sdk? (scratchbox) | 03:45 |
| yllus | on device | 03:45 |
| yllus | Is that no good? | 03:45 |
| KotCzarny | you will have to install some packages | 03:45 |
| KotCzarny | by default they aren't included | 03:45 |
| yllus | ah, is there a FAQ or list somewhere for that? | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | usually binutils/gcc/glibc-dev/make | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | and -dev packages if you need some lib | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | like ncurses | 03:46 |
| KotCzarny | or x11 | 03:46 |
| yllus | hmm, I see | 03:47 |
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| unixSnob | someone 'splain me what this gadget does => www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9472 | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | Allows you to monitor your home and office from anywhere in the world (as long as there is a phone with you) | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | probably evasedropping device | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | *eavasedropping | 04:34 |
| unixSnob | how can it transmit over gsm? doesn't it then need a cellphone account? | 04:34 |
| KotCzarny | probably you put your sim in | 04:34 |
| unixSnob | so it's continuously running up minutes? | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | if you go with such plan | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | there are many plans with unlimited calling | 04:36 |
| unixSnob | I thought folks could not simply pop their sim chip in any device.. I heard cell providers want to control what hardware gets used | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can pretty much pop your SIM into anything. | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob: phones can be 'simlocked' | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | As long as it's compatible with the carrier's network. | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | because they're expensive promotions | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | and they don't want you to buy iphone and go with t-mobile | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | etc. | 04:37 |
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| unixSnob | right, that's the context that I heard about the restriction | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | if your device is unlocked you can use any card | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | assuming it uses proper technology | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | ie. gsm is not compatible with cdma | 04:38 |
| elb | but it is compatible with wcdma | 04:38 |
| elb | :-) | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:39 |
| elb | unixSnob: the locks go the other direction, is what he's saying | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | i should open a position for an interpreter :> | 04:39 |
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| elb | however, the devices you can put on a GSM network are pretty heavily regulated by the radio regulations administrations | 04:40 |
| elb | (e.g., the FCC in the USA) | 04:40 |
| unixSnob | yeah, I think it's GSM that terrorists have been using for detonation | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | what terrorists? | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:40 |
| unixSnob | It's heavily restricted in the US, but there are ways to get anonymous gsm abroad | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | (read: don't fall for tv news) | 04:41 |
| elb | if I were a terrorist, I wouldn't care about the radio technology | 04:41 |
| unixSnob | i don't have a tv | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | anonymous gsm? | 04:41 |
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| elb | just hook a detonator up to, e.g., the vibrator circuit in an off-the-shelf handset and ring it | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | do you have your own base stations? | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:41 |
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| unixSnob | well you would want the technology that exists in the area of your target | 04:41 |
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| elb | I don't know of any country which allows *really* anonymous mobile phones | 04:42 |
| KotCzarny | elb: prepaid | 04:42 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:42 |
| elb | KotCzarny: but they're not really anonymous anywhere I'm aware of | 04:42 |
| KotCzarny | elb: yes, imei is probably logged | 04:42 |
| KotCzarny | and sim id | 04:42 |
| elb | I looked into it in the US a while back, and you had to pay with a proper credit card or else sign up with some personal information | 04:42 |
| unixSnob | well there are some ways to get an anonymous GSM outside the US, but it's not straight forward | 04:42 |
| unixSnob | I don't recall the details | 04:42 |
| KotCzarny | but as long you don't leave any traces it can be treated as anonymous | 04:43 |
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| KotCzarny | and disposable | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:43 |
| elb | outside the US, I've dealt with phones in several countries, and in most cases you have to have a passport or other form of semi-permanent ID | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | elb: pay with cash | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:43 |
| elb | (alien registration, for example, in japan) | 04:43 |
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| elb | KotCzarny: yes, but then you have to provide personal information, as I said | 04:43 |
| elb | at least with the providers I looked at | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | do i? | 04:43 |
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| unixSnob | I think it's a matter of getting a GSM sim chip that's activated.. very difficult to do anonymously, but other countries will enable you to order online.. I think that's how it works. | 04:43 |
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| KotCzarny | my sim is registered to 'john doe customer' | 04:44 |
| elb | basically they required a credit check, even if you prepaid -- you just don't have to *pass* it | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:44 |
| elb | KotCzarny: nice | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | elb, t-mobile | 04:44 |
| elb | what carrier? | 04:44 |
| elb | ahh t-mobile prepaid wasn't available in the area I checked in | 04:44 |
| elb | (the network is there, but you have to go somewhere else to get teh phone) | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | i didn't really liked att | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | and verizon used cdma | 04:44 |
| elb | we had go phone, whatever the Sprint one was, and US Cellular | 04:45 |
| KotCzarny | so i went with tmob | 04:45 |
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| KotCzarny | not that i'm happy about pricing, but it works | 04:45 |
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| unixSnob | what's the pricing? | 04:46 |
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| KotCzarny | ~16c/min incoming/outgoing | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | and no free minutes at all | 04:46 |
| unixSnob | in the US? | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 04:46 |
| elb | that's rape | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | quite | 04:46 |
| elb | well, unless you don't hardly use it | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | but for me it's ok | 04:47 |
| elb | in which case it's probably still cheaper than a monthly plan | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | i don't talk that much | 04:47 |
| unixSnob | I pay $50/month flat, unlimited | 04:47 |
| unixSnob | and no contract | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | so any monthly plan would take MORE for me | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | ie, i use 25$ for ~6months | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | roughly | 04:47 |
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| unixSnob | what about internet on your NIT? | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | wlan | 04:48 |
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| unixSnob | so it only works at home and hotspots? | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | but you have hotspots everywhere | 04:49 |
| KotCzarny | and if there's no free/open ones you can go to starbucks | 04:49 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 04:49 |
| Ziegler | Subway | 04:49 |
| unixSnob | Well, don't have home ISP service.. just EVDO for $50/mo | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | i'm cheap | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | 20$ dsl | 04:50 |
| unixSnob | but coverage is spotless, almost | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | $20 "non-tethering" "unlimited" from AT&T for the NIT | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3g | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works really nicely. | 04:50 |
| unixSnob | really? | 04:50 |
| unixSnob | wow.. the best price I've heard so far has been $30 for SERO | 04:51 |
| unixSnob | is that a 1 yr contract? | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | knowing att it's 2-3years | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:51 |
| Ziegler | $12 / mo no contract dsl here | 04:51 |
| unixSnob | that would blow it.. Millenicom is month to month | 04:52 |
| Ziegler | Well.... 12.99 | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | ziegler + tax ? | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:52 |
| Ziegler | Nope | 04:52 |
| unixSnob | but $20 for att 3g unlimited is great for folks who know they can be locked in.. I'll have to mention that to a buddy | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob: what pings you have on evdo? | 04:53 |
| KotCzarny | fe. google.com etc | 04:53 |
| unixSnob | i know I get 156 ms from indiana to the east coast (battlenet) | 04:54 |
| unixSnob | I'll check google | 04:54 |
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| lcuk | main color: turn on :) | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: shouldn't you be sleeping? | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:54 |
| unixSnob | $ ping google.com | 04:55 |
| unixSnob | PING google.com (64.233.187.99): 56 data bytes | 04:55 |
| unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=0 ttl=235 time=122.710 ms | 04:55 |
| unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=235 time=139.183 ms | 04:55 |
| unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=235 time=110.751 ms | 04:55 |
| unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=235 time=111.732 ms | 04:55 |
| unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=4 ttl=235 time=105.947 ms | 04:55 |
| unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=5 ttl=235 time=170.369 ms | 04:55 |
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| lcuk | sleep? after the night i have had | 04:55 |
| unixSnob | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=6 ttl=235 time=111.807 ms | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob 1 is enough | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: it's 3am in .de :) | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | well, 4 | 04:55 |
| unixSnob | well, with evdo, spikes are common | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | unixsnob: nice | 04:55 |
| elb | that's pretty good latency for cellular | 04:55 |
| unixSnob | there might be a frequent periodic 500ms ping.. so that's a neussance | 04:56 |
| unixSnob | (i meant an unfavorable spike) | 04:56 |
| elb | KotCzarny: AT&T doesn't reduce plan prices by contract | 04:56 |
| elb | yeah, but that's way better than the old 1xRTT I used to use on Sprint | 04:56 |
| unixSnob | Also, my evdo connection is inconsistent. If a lot of users are hitting my tower, VOIP becomes useless | 04:57 |
| elb | I had latency all over the map, from about 100ms to about 2s | 04:57 |
| lcuk | and also in uk | 04:57 |
| unixSnob | so latency is poor at peak times | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: isn't uk gmt+0 ? | 04:57 |
| unixSnob | yeah, much better than 1xRTT | 04:57 |
| unixSnob | If I'm out in the sticks, my connection drops to 1xRTT | 04:58 |
| elb | there's no excuse for cellular data to be so friggin' expensive | 04:58 |
| elb | back when I had 1xRTT ... it's what there was ;-) | 04:58 |
| lcuk | would assume so since greenwich is in uk... | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: :) | 04:58 |
| elb | I paid $10/mo unlimited data | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | so it's 3am | 04:58 |
| lcuk | you in your hidey hole? | 04:59 |
| elb | back before they figured out they could rape people for it, I guess | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | elb: wow, for a cellular data? | 04:59 |
| unixSnob | elb, you paid that for 1xrtt? | 04:59 |
| elb | I did | 04:59 |
| elb | in about 2001 or 2002 | 04:59 |
| unixSnob | that's a very good price for 1XRTT | 04:59 |
| unixSnob | what provider? | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | can you get only cellular plan? | 04:59 |
| elb | Sprint | 04:59 |
| elb | who I no longer carry because they suck ass | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | i mean data plan | 04:59 |
| unixSnob | That had to be an employee plan, right? | 04:59 |
| elb | at that time you couldn't, I don't think | 05:00 |
| elb | no, it was a regular subscriber plan | 05:00 |
| elb | I mean, I paid $40/mo for the voice line that went with it or something | 05:00 |
| elb | but $10/mo additional for unlimited data | 05:00 |
| elb | I tethered my laptop to it and everything | 05:00 |
| unixSnob | ah, it was bundled.. that explains it | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | i would love data only plan | 05:00 |
| unixSnob | That's what millenicom is | 05:00 |
| * KotCzarny googles | 05:01 | |
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| unixSnob | The $50/month would turn you off though | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. | 05:01 |
| unixSnob | It's 50/mo. for unlimited data, contract free, data only | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | 10$/mon for data only would suit me very well | 05:02 |
| unixSnob | (it uses the sprint network) | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | even for 256kbit or something | 05:02 |
| elb | the sprint network is nice | 05:02 |
| elb | if you don't have to deal with Sprint, that is | 05:02 |
| unixSnob | Yeah, that's what's nice about millenicom | 05:02 |
| unixSnob | They have good tech support, and because it's subcontracted through them, they don't require a contract to users | 05:03 |
| unixSnob | i only have to talk to sprint if I have some obscure problem millenicom can't solve | 05:03 |
| unixSnob | (like when I tried to hack the modem to use a closer hub) | 05:04 |
| lcuk | pupnik_, are you still knocking about? | 05:05 |
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| yllus | Any DNS zone file gurus about? | 05:08 |
| yllus | I can't get a NS record to resolve for the life of me. Gah. | 05:08 |
| yllus | The details: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=36&threadid=2175891&enterthread=y | 05:09 |
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| bigpig | if I had a virtual keyboard file, would someone do whatever is needed to make it usable for me? | 05:45 |
| Ziegler | Hehe | 05:49 |
| Ziegler | "Useable" you say | 05:49 |
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| johnx | bigpig, what exactly are you trying to do with the virtual keyboard? | 05:58 |
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| bigpig | I would like a Fitaly virtual keyboard on my n810. Since Textware Solutions isn't interested in the Nokia tablets as of yet, those of us who would love to pay for their product have to fend for ourselves. | 06:04 |
| bigpig | someone has developed the map, but the documentation at maemo.org is so incomplete that he is unable to complete the task. | 06:05 |
| bigpig | Ziegler, is creating a new virtual keyboard something that has turned out to be very difficult? | 06:06 |
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| pupnik_ | hello bigpig | 06:48 |
| yllus | For the record, pupnik, you rock. | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | puprocknik | 06:49 |
| pupnik_ | thanks yllus | 06:50 |
| yllus | pupnick? | 06:50 |
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| yllus | pupnock. | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | puprock ? | 06:50 |
| pupnik | pop rocks! | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | popnik? | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:50 |
| bigpig | hello, pupnik | 06:51 |
| yllus | lol, there's a Netrek client for the tablet? | 06:51 |
| yllus | good lord, I was playing that game back in 1997. | 06:52 |
| pupnik | yes i've played a couple of games. it is a piece of computing history. i first played it in 1981 on the Control Data Plato online system | 06:52 |
| yllus | Damn good game, especially for its time. | 06:52 |
| pupnik | i was 11 years old at the time, and i could not sleep | 06:52 |
| pupnik | "this is the future!" | 06:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:53 |
| yllus | I remember making Admiral and what an accomplishment that was, because then I could spawn as a base. | 06:53 |
| pupnik | it would be fantastic if you could provide some experienced feedback into usability | 06:53 |
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| pupnik | but large changes take a lot of time | 06:54 |
| pupnik | so right now it's difficult to play | 06:54 |
| yllus | Is there a project home page? The link on your site is to a JPEG | 06:54 |
| KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netrek | 06:54 |
| KotCzarny | links at the bottom | 06:55 |
| pupnik | (bigpig, i am not familiar with the hildon virtual keyboard, but xkbd / xvkbd are available) | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | as always | 06:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:55 |
| yllus | oh jesus. My Netrek page is still up. 99.232.139.210 | 06:55 |
| yllus | er | 06:55 |
| yllus | http://members.tripod.com/~netrek/ | 06:55 |
| yllus | Last updated: 13/11/97 | 06:56 |
| * yllus snorts | 06:56 | |
| pupnik | nice | 06:56 |
| pupnik | yeah this is pretty much straight COW | 06:56 |
| yllus | I am going to have to take on some projects. Learn some *nix, put my Python knowledge to use. | 06:58 |
| pupnik | "Players have to mentally track "built up" time, estimating how far and in what direction ships and torpedoes have moved since the last screen replot." | 06:58 |
| pupnik | hah good old times | 06:58 |
| pupnik | yes it's so fun | 06:58 |
| pupnik | mypaint could use some python skill | 06:58 |
| yllus | I imagine the game could use voice chat | 06:58 |
| pupnik | true | 06:59 |
| yllus | I was thinking that I might write a good picture frame app that auto-rotates through images, given a XML photofeed | 06:59 |
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| yllus | But Quiver is so close that I feel like I shouldn't bother | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | yllus, have you seen canola2 ? | 07:00 |
| yllus | Yeah, but sadly it doesn't run on my beloved 770 with IT2006 | 07:00 |
| KotCzarny | ah | 07:00 |
| pupnik | 770 forevah! | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | it has one nice picture browser | 07:01 |
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| yllus | Yeah, I heard :( But I like my IT2006 setup too much to go HE | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | buy a second! | 07:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:01 |
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| yllus | haha, I'll get a N800 soonish | 07:02 |
| yllus | It's sad that the tablets aren't more newbie friendly. So damn versatile. | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | they aren't? | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | i think they were pretty straightforward | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:03 |
| yllus | My g/f was about to pitch it across the room when I first gave it to her | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | why? | 07:03 |
| lcuk | so was mine - give her munptyphysics and she will love it | 07:03 |
| pupnik | yllus: you got a bluetooth keyboard? | 07:03 |
| lcuk | numptyphysics | 07:03 |
| yllus | Yeah, I have a wonderful ThinkOutside Stowaway | 07:03 |
| pupnik | ++ | 07:04 |
| yllus | She fell in love with Maemo Mapper later anyways | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:04 |
| lcuk | kot - the problem, can i create a mountpoint for the ftp location, then the script can just send to that? | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | hmm? | 07:04 |
| pupnik | i will make a netrek package for you soon | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | just change wput to cp | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:04 |
| yllus | nice | 07:04 |
| lopz | bye | 07:04 |
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| KotCzarny | i mean comment out wput line and create cp line | 07:05 |
| lcuk | would that actually work? | 07:05 |
| * lcuk was winging it - i just rememebered in the shower someone has done it | 07:05 | |
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| KotCzarny | i assume you mount ftp dir in vmware, yes? | 07:05 |
| lcuk | not yet i havent | 07:05 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt know where to begin | 07:05 |
| * lcuk hasnt mounted any electronic equipment | 07:06 | |
| KotCzarny | install sshd for windows | 07:06 |
| lcuk | pupnik | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | then you could use sshfs | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | both ways | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | or scp | 07:06 |
| lcuk | but if this ends up being proper ftp then i may not be able to install anything | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | ok, let's start over, what do you want to mount and where | 07:07 |
| pupnik | what? | 07:07 |
| lcuk | i want somewhere in linux filesystem to point at a remote ftp server | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:07 |
| lcuk | i have a little proposition for you.. | 07:07 |
| johnx | fuse+ftpfs should do it | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | some kind of ftpfs | 07:07 |
| johnx | I don't remember the real name though, let me find it... | 07:08 |
| pupnik | nfs works out of the box | 07:08 |
| lcuk | LUFS is a hybrid userspace filesystem framework supporting many "exotic" filesystems (localfs, sshfs, ftpfs, gnutellafs, locasefs, gvfs, cardfs, cefs, etc. ). | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | for windows? | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:08 |
| lcuk | no - needed for linux | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | that was to pupnik | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:08 |
| pupnik | ok | 07:09 |
| lcuk | isnt nfs part of linux? is wasnt pupnik right? | 07:09 |
| * lcuk is pretty confused right about now | 07:09 | |
| johnx | lcuk, can you install ssh on this remote ftp server? or are you stuck with just ftp? | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | nfs is for *nix | 07:09 |
| johnx | lufs is the old thing, fuse is the new thing | 07:09 |
| lcuk | im going to assume stuck with ftp - at this moment the ftp is running on this windows box, but tomorrow that will likely change | 07:10 |
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| johnx | alright, curlftpfs for fuse is probably what you want/need | 07:10 |
| lcuk | the box it will likely end up on will not allow me to run my own programs (i would be scared to its our webserver) | 07:10 |
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| opendeep | hai | 07:11 |
| pupnik | shark! | 07:11 |
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| opendeep | hi X_Fade_ | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: does this webserver run php? | 07:12 |
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| KotCzarny | if yes, upload applet is easy | 07:12 |
| lcuk | no. and im not gonna do anything to it. if i get some space i'll use it as given | 07:12 |
| Navi | Heh | 07:13 |
| Navi | I'd never go with a webhost/server that doesn't have ssh access | 07:13 |
| lcuk | its simplest all round - i would have to explain why and what for anything other than "can you up my account" | 07:13 |
| Navi | at least, if I were paying for it | 07:13 |
| lcuk | (there is the other thing of me remembering all this lot when i get in and ive got bigger fish to fry tomorrow :) | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, everything is doable | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:14 |
| Navi | I like fish | 07:14 |
| Navi | Not a fan of fried fish though | 07:14 |
| lcuk | ive gotta tell my boss that i know we are busy but something quite good has cropped up and its that linux thing i keep going on about. | 07:14 |
| johnx | well, there are fuse packages here: http://nakkiboso.com/maemofuse/ but curlftpfs isn't built | 07:15 |
| johnx | I might have a look at it, but no promises | 07:15 |
| lcuk | i got curl :) sudo apt-get install curlftpfs | 07:15 |
| johnx | aaah, this isn't from the tablet? | 07:15 |
| johnx | aaaah...I see | 07:15 |
| lcuk | no, this is the vmware box - kot has very nicely built me a script to allow me a quick dirty nightly backup from deep within the vmware onto somewhere we a couple of us can take a peek | 07:16 |
| lcuk | jeeesus i havent done an all nighter since college | 07:16 |
| johnx | nevermind, super easy then, curlftpfs user@ftp.example.com empty/local/dir | 07:17 |
| lcuk | and is that needed on every login? | 07:17 |
| johnx | nope, just until you unmount it | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | on every mount | 07:17 |
| lcuk | ahhh so it will stay over a reboot? | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:18 |
| johnx | nope, not over a reboot | 07:18 |
| lcuk | phew! | 07:18 |
| johnx | until a reboot | 07:18 |
| lcuk | dang! | 07:18 |
| lcuk | you build me up, then knock me down | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | i think you can add it to /etc/fstab | 07:18 |
| johnx | just bring it up again. It's scriptable. | 07:18 |
| lcuk | but i'm forgetful. i'll curse it everytime its been restarted | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | not this particular line, but mount point in general | 07:19 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: rc.local | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:19 |
| johnx | add it to the script, pseudocode: if foo is not mounted ; mount foo ; proceed | 07:19 |
| lcuk | lol but that mount line involves an ftp password which because of the script location will end up being inserted into the archive and uploaded... | 07:20 |
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| lcuk | its just forgetful to leave it in there | 07:20 |
| johnx | but anyone who is on your ftp server already put in the password to get there, right? | 07:21 |
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| johnx | it's like locking the key to your house inside your house... | 07:21 |
| lcuk | yes, but all it takes is one slip and the wrong folder goes public | 07:21 |
| johnx | fair enough | 07:21 |
| johnx | do it in rc.local then | 07:22 |
| lcuk | i am expecting to move binaries out fairly often | 07:22 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: why the script location will be inserted in archive? | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | you can make independent script | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | that will live in some other place | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | and you will only call it by name | 07:22 |
| lcuk | lol - this little script has got middle aged spread! and its only an hour old :P | 07:23 |
| lcuk | feature creep! | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | scripts come and go | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | on demand | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:23 |
| johnx | /etc/rc.local is where this stuff tends to go on a Unix system | 07:23 |
| lcuk | have you ever read any Larry Niven books? | 07:23 |
| * KotCzarny haven't | 07:24 | |
| * johnx has read Ringworld and most of his short stories... | 07:24 | |
| lcuk | ok, so ill get it working and tested singly - then if it works move it into /etc/rc.local | 07:24 |
| johnx | sounds like a plan | 07:24 |
| lcuk | johnx, have you read the mote in gods eye | 07:24 |
| johnx | errr...let me think | 07:24 |
| johnx | it's been a while | 07:25 |
| lcuk | moties - aliens who build everything on demand and reprogram physically | 07:25 |
| lcuk | sounds just like KotCzarnys scripts :) | 07:25 |
| johnx | nope, haven't read it | 07:25 |
| johnx | do you recommend it? | 07:25 |
| lcuk | absolutely | 07:25 |
| johnx | I think I have it somewhere around here O_o I'll have to look for it later | 07:26 |
| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mote_in_God's_Eye | 07:26 |
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| * johnx doesn't like to have anything spoiled before he reads the book | 07:26 | |
| dick-richardson | can you do keyboard shortcuts? | 07:26 |
| lcuk | personally? or in the system in general? | 07:27 |
| johnx | I can do keyboard shortcuts | 07:27 |
| dick-richardson | lcuk: system in general | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | Robert A. Heinlein, who gave the authors extensive, detailed advice on the novel, blurbed the story as "possibly the finest science fiction novel I have ever read". | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | sounds like a recommendation | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:28 |
| dick-richardson | ringing endorsement | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | maybe i should read it too | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | i have library 50m from my apartment | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | and i have never been there, yet | 07:30 |
| dick-richardson | My wife works at the local library here. every now and then random books show up on my desk | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | good wife | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | good books? | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:30 |
| dick-richardson | "Oh, did i check this out?" | 07:31 |
| dick-richardson | "yes, you did" | 07:31 |
| dick-richardson | yeah, generally they are | 07:31 |
| johnx | so, dick-richardson, what are you trying to use a keyboard shortcut for? | 07:31 |
| dick-richardson | my webmail password | 07:31 |
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| KotCzarny | o.o | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | use firefox? | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:31 |
| rm_you | johnx: hi :P | 07:32 |
| johnx | so you want to hit (for example) ctrl+p and have it key in your password? | 07:32 |
| johnx | hey rm_you :D | 07:32 |
| dick-richardson | you got it | 07:32 |
| johnx | hmm, and the built-in microb "remember this password" thing isn't working for you? | 07:32 |
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| dick-richardson | I'm trying a little security through obscurity | 07:33 |
| dick-richardson | it works alright, but I'm not using it | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | security through obscurity isn't recommended.. | 07:33 |
| johnx | ah ok. you're probably better off just using the "remember password" thing though. That way you don't have random "sensitive" files scattered all over the system... | 07:34 |
| johnx | also, it would be somewhat difficult to do something like that. | 07:34 |
| johnx | What would you describe your "comfort level" with the command line and a cross compiler as? | 07:34 |
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| dick-richardson | fairly good | 07:35 |
| dick-richardson | which means I'm very comfortable, but probably shouldn't be :P | 07:35 |
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| johnx | alright, you'll probably need to compile yourself some app which sits in the background and listens for that key combo, then spits out some text | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | osk can help | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | xkbd/xvkbd has an option for strings too | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | so making a simple layout with one button should work | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:37 |
| lcuk | or notices you have drawn an X and placed thumb over it | 07:37 |
| johnx | kind of the opposite of obscure | 07:37 |
| lcuk | security through flashy login script | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 07:38 |
| johnx | :D security through "movie-style" special effects | 07:38 |
| dick-richardson | lol! | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | 'please cough three times' | 07:38 |
| lcuk | yer, we can simulate a fingerprint scanner | 07:38 |
| lcuk | no1 would know and it would be way cool | 07:38 |
| johnx | heh...place a random thumb here: approved! | 07:39 |
| lcuk | actually detect pressure patterns but dont tell n00b that ;) | 07:39 |
| johnx | (hint: doesn't have to be your thumb. In an emergency, any thumb shaped object can be used.) | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | 'now press your forehead firmly to the screen' | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:39 |
| lcuk | so when you do it it says "LOGIN ACCEPTED" but when they try it it doesnt | 07:39 |
| johnx | ...for the brain scan | 07:39 |
| lcuk | PMSL | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | pms? | 07:40 |
| lcuk | pissing myself.. | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:40 |
| lcuk | i nearly woke missus up | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | close to pms | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:40 |
| lcuk | jees this has been a while | 07:40 |
| dick-richardson | I'm still stuck on the "thumb shaped object" criteria | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want video game challenges as a login method. | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Land this 747! | 07:41 |
| dick-richardson | Well, we couldn't get into the device, but then Jim got real excited by the technology and what do you know! | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | and the thing is to bang the rocks together guys! | 07:42 |
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| dick-richardson | you know...just having the system remember the password w/o that last character is what i'm looking for | 07:43 |
| lcuk | lol @ steering convo back on topic | 07:44 |
| johnx | that would be a lot more secure then storing in plain-text...I kinda like that idea :) | 07:44 |
| lcuk | then just do it without last letter and say yes to remembering | 07:44 |
| dick-richardson | yep | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, but later it will remember proper pass | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | it uses last entered one | 07:44 |
| lcuk | no, later it will ask and you can say no feck off | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 07:45 |
| lcuk | firefox or micrapola? | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:45 |
| dick-richardson | option 2 | 07:45 |
| lcuk | we have multiple gmail accounts and one is defaulted, the rest are set as dont remember | 07:45 |
| lcuk | i havent tried logging in from the device | 07:46 |
| lcuk | and i would never leave any of the passwords in :S | 07:46 |
| lcuk | since the whole device is unsecure its open to abuse. | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | that's true | 07:46 |
| dick-richardson | it does remember the last one used :( | 07:46 |
| lcuk | (why havent we got password protection for the device?) | 07:46 |
| dick-richardson | truecrypt was made for this thing | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | good idea | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | initfs is there anyway | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, locking? | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | the only problem is to fit it there | 07:47 |
| lcuk | can it open locked though? | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:47 |
| lcuk | as in reboot and auto lock | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: probably | 07:47 |
| lcuk | then that will do it | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | if not sdk is there | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Once you lock it, it stays locked until you unlock it. | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even if you flash it. | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:48 |
| lcuk | stops casual ppl - like i was saying about any security app, the chances that a crook would actually know specifically to re-flash this device immediately makes me want to just upload a picture everytime it is booted or the keyboard slides open | 07:48 |
| dick-richardson | are you talking about the hardware switch? | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | another method of unlocking: 'draw a flower to proceed' | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:48 |
| lcuk | ooooh GeneralAntilles i didnt know that.. | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Press the power button | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Lock device" | 07:49 |
| dick-richardson | what do you know\ | 07:49 |
| lcuk | awww why cant we slide like the posh kids? | 07:49 |
| dick-richardson | what's the default code? | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | 12345 | 07:49 |
| lcuk | this is from the menu that comes up on power isnt it | 07:50 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, we have sdk | 07:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:50 |
| dick-richardson | I must have found it and changed it already | 07:50 |
| dick-richardson | alcohol was probably involved | 07:51 |
| lcuk | that menu is designed all wrong. when you are putting it away you dont want to fiddle and have to aim for a tiny dot. selectors should be big and finger friendly | 07:51 |
| lcuk | so now your device is locked? | 07:51 |
| lcuk | forever? | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what the dpad is for, lcuk. :P | 07:51 |
| lcuk | or until you find the combination | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | But your device sucks ass, and it has the dpad in exactly the wrong spot. ;) | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It requires you to enter the lock to lock it. | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/lock/code/ | 07:51 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: It requires you to enter the code to lock it. | 07:52 |
| lcuk | ok, power button slide down down down dpad. instead of power button BOOM! | 07:52 |
| dick-richardson | it's my ssn...wow was that stupid | 07:52 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's how I memorized mine. | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Used it as a local password for a few weeks. | 07:53 |
| lcuk | SSN == National Insurance # ?? | 07:53 |
| dick-richardson | I'll use my wife's | 07:53 |
| KotCzarny | kind of | 07:53 |
| KotCzarny | lol2 | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_number | 07:53 |
| lcuk | ours are combination letters and numbers and ive known it since i was 15 | 07:54 |
| KotCzarny | we are numbers | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your serial number. <_< | 07:54 |
| dick-richardson | can you change the sliding lock to lock the device? | 07:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dick-richardson, if so, it'd be in /etc/mce/mce.ini | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I don't think so at the moment. | 07:55 |
| lcuk | that would be a cool toy for the desktop - slide over the area to lock | 07:55 |
| dick-richardson | kk, thank you | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | If not, you could always file an enhancement request on bugzilla. | 07:55 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk, have you doubled pixel size in drawing mode? | 07:55 |
| KotCzarny | and it's shadowy | 07:56 |
| lcuk | coloring.. | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | yes, i enabled it | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | or is it feature of yuv colorspace? | 07:57 |
| lcuk | yuv is 800*480 greyscale, 400*240 color information, its a halfway house (basically jpeg resolution) | 07:57 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 07:58 |
| lcuk | its more noticable than i would have liked on certain colors but its good enough for now. | 07:58 |
| KotCzarny | it will need some antialiasing then | 07:58 |
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| lcuk | it depends upon which grey level it is at - the brighter it is, the clearer it shows | 07:59 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:00 |
| KotCzarny | but dark green is also very noticeable | 08:00 |
| * lcuk nods and its also the brightest color | 08:00 | |
| KotCzarny | have you tried blurring? | 08:01 |
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| lcuk | ive not tried anything yet - i just put in the colored line routine and played for a while | 08:02 |
| KotCzarny | it would work better than plain half-brightness shadow | 08:02 |
| KotCzarny | (i guess) | 08:02 |
| lcuk | are you able to compile or just looking through? | 08:03 |
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| KotCzarny | compiled | 08:03 |
| KotCzarny | i don't read/compile/run in my head | 08:03 |
| KotCzarny | that ability would rock | 08:03 |
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| KotCzarny | i only needed to install sdl_ttf | 08:04 |
| lcuk | liqart.c line 175 holds the for now constant brightness of the grey. (you will note i tried a few of the things suggested) | 08:04 |
| dick-richardson | i wish modest would load inline html images...I can't see my daily dilbert :( | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | that's what i have enabled | 08:04 |
| lcuk | is your touch still jumpy? | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:09 |
| lcuk | thats when your light and gentle | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | also drawing is slower | 08:09 |
| KotCzarny | i'm looking through the code where are you keeping pressure | 08:09 |
| lcuk | each stroke has a set of points. each point has an x/y/z | 08:10 |
| lcuk | z=pressure | 08:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I thought that bug was fixed. | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | k | 08:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Guess not. | 08:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You up to date, dick-richardson? | 08:10 |
| lcuk | i think thats the last file thats #included inline | 08:11 |
| dick-richardson | I believe so | 08:11 |
| lcuk | all the rest have gone to proper exports | 08:11 |
| dick-richardson | time to call it an evening, take care all | 08:16 |
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| mbuf | what is the current price of the n810? | 08:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~$400USD | 08:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | +/- $50 USD depending on where you buy. | 08:54 |
| mbuf | GeneralAntilles, thanks | 08:54 |
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| unixSnob | Someone frequently in this channel found an n810 for like $1k.. so that will scew your average a bit there AG | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | heh.. someone | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | i'm me, not just someone | 08:55 |
| unixSnob | was that you? | 08:55 |
| * unixSnob bows down to the great KotCzarny | 08:56 | |
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| * unixSnob surrenders his sword, and waits for KotCzarny to lop off his head | 08:58 | |
| KotCzarny | huh? | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | it's late, go to sleep | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:59 |
| unixSnob | yeah, 2am here | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | and swords are dangerous | 08:59 |
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| KotCzarny | you should watch out where you put them | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:59 |
| unixSnob | my swords are actually extremely dull | 09:00 |
| unixSnob | just for show | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | dull weapons can hurt too | 09:00 |
| unixSnob | yeah, it's almost as dull as a bat | 09:00 |
| unixSnob | so I guess it would have the effect of a club | 09:00 |
| unixSnob | s/bat/baseball bat/ | 09:00 |
| unixSnob | guess i'll try some of this SallyD first | 09:02 |
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| KotCzarny | get some for me too | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:03 |
| unixSnob | are you in a state that permits it? | 09:03 |
| KotCzarny | it's about time for a therapy | 09:03 |
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| KotCzarny | we can always go on a raft | 09:03 |
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| EruditeHermit | hey, does anyone know how to install fennec? | 09:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's covered pretty well on the ITT forums. | 09:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not really worth the effort, though. | 09:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Very unstable. | 09:21 |
| johnx | if you want to try an alternative browser give midori a shot | 09:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was midori every rebuilt to use the optimized webkit? | 09:22 |
| johnx | i dunno | 09:22 |
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| johnx | do you have a link to this "optimized webkit" | 09:22 |
| johnx | I'm in a hacking mood so maybe I'll give it a go | 09:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in Extras. | 09:23 |
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| johnx | looks like similar versions...I wonder if I can just tell midori to depend on a different library... | 09:25 |
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| EruditeHermit | midori is in extras? | 09:26 |
| Navi | No | 09:26 |
| johnx | errr...the other libwebkit is | 09:26 |
| johnx | midori is on itt | 09:26 |
| Navi | just install libwebkit | 09:26 |
| johnx | I imagine it and webkit that midori depends on will conflict | 09:26 |
| Navi | you don't have to specifically build midori against a webkit revision unless the API changed. | 09:26 |
| johnx | that's what I figured. I'll have a poke at midori's 'control' | 09:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad all the 3rd party browsers still suck. | 09:27 |
| Navi | not links :D | 09:27 |
| johnx | Midori has a lot of potential, Mr. Optimism | 09:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, links. . . | 09:27 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: can you point me to a link? | 09:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'd figure after 2 years there'd be some real progress, though. :P | 09:28 |
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| johnx | gtk-webkit wasn't there until recently | 09:28 |
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| * Navi hopes for an optimized MicroB in the next release | 09:28 | |
| johnx | neither was firefox for ARM | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder.. | 09:28 |
| johnx | EruditeHermit, search midori on itt, first result is: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18488&highlight=midori | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | will there ever be ie for arm? | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:29 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, get to work on your WinMo emulator :P | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer playing with some nice code | 09:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suspect MicroB will be setting the bar quite high in Diablo. | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | johnx, expect great things | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:29 |
| johnx | I'll "wait and see" but I'm pretty happy with the direction webkit-gtk is going | 09:30 |
| * Navi uses it on the desktop | 09:30 | |
| KotCzarny | nah, i'm talking about something else right now | 09:30 |
| Navi | Snappy stuff | 09:30 |
| johnx | it will get a lot more attention since it will be the html renderer of choice for gnome/gtk apps I think | 09:30 |
| * Navi shrugs | 09:31 | |
| johnx | by attention I mean optimizations :) | 09:31 |
| Navi | webkitqt's included in the QT4 | 09:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody try the Qt demo app? | 09:31 |
| Navi | and webkitgtk's rapidly made improvements | 09:32 |
| johnx | is there a lightweight qt based browser built on webkit that *doesn't* suck in all of kde as a dependency? | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's incredibly snappy. | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | webkit is from apple? | 09:32 |
| Navi | johnx, doubt it | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | or some independent project? | 09:32 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, from KDE originally, now Apple is a big contributor | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 09:32 |
| KotCzarny | that's good | 09:32 |
| Navi | EETZ A FORQUE | 09:32 |
| johnx | eh? | 09:33 |
| Navi | khtml forke | 09:33 |
| Navi | s/forke/fork/ | 09:33 |
| infobot | Navi meant: khtml fork | 09:33 |
| KotCzarny | maybe some nice build script to statically compile in kde libs | 09:33 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:33 |
| johnx | aaah...I misinterpreted EETZ as "eats" | 09:33 |
| Navi | Pfft | 09:33 |
| johnx | I kind of pictured Navi with a fork stuck out of his mouth flailing at the keyboard | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's how I always picture Navi. | 09:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, did you every figure out the top 3 things we need for Debian-maemo? | 09:35 |
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| johnx | I'm not sure what to put for that actually...I'm really torn | 09:36 |
| johnx | dsme/bme/dsp would sure be nice for Debian on N800 | 09:37 |
| EruditeHermit | I just wish the browsers were faster | 09:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo, EruditeHermit. | 09:37 |
| johnx | but to get Maemo stuff into Debian, the top couple deps that all Maemo packages have would be nice | 09:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | MicroB is a really old snapshot of Gecko 1.9. | 09:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | There've been HUGE speedups since the version we have. | 09:38 |
| EruditeHermit | yeah but I think they should make them available as they release | 09:38 |
| johnx | that's not Nokia's style :) | 09:38 |
| EruditeHermit | or atleast have the page on garage so that we can test stuff | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | One more downfall of bundling software. | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could build the svn. | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though, apparently, it depends on bc-dev | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | which doesn't actually exist anywhere. | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | EruditeHermit, Diablo also means "over-the-air" updates | 09:39 |
| EruditeHermit | yeah | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | so that decouples application updates from big firmware updates. | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure if that'll bring us back to the pre-OS2007 update frequency for MicroB | 09:40 |
| EruditeHermit | chinook was supposed to be that | 09:40 |
| EruditeHermit | lol | 09:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it should improve things. | 09:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | No it wasn't. | 09:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo was always the one set for SSU. | 09:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't know where people keep getting that Chinook was supposed to have SSU | 09:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it's simply not true. | 09:40 |
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| EruditeHermit | wow I am using minefield on the tablet and it is so fast | 09:42 |
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| EruditeHermit | the rendering engine is so much better | 09:42 |
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| Navi | Damn it | 09:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn you | 09:43 |
| Navi | mypaint's freezing up the tablet | 09:43 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, ok, thanks for the pointer to that better libwebkit. It seems to make a noticeable difference | 09:43 |
| * Navi prays that the N800 doesn't reboot | 09:44 | |
| hrw | morning | 09:45 |
| * johnx tries the engadget torture test on midori | 09:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | There's more crud on that website than content. | 09:45 |
| johnx | yeah, but I like how snarky they are :) | 09:45 |
| Navi | I just use the bench that's on the webkit site. | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like engadget | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | But damn | 09:46 |
| johnx | plus, it's like a trial by fire for browser engines | 09:46 |
| johnx | and midori handles it great | 09:46 |
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| johnx | also, wide scroll bars rawk | 09:46 |
| Navi | :P | 09:46 |
| Navi | They take up screen real estate | 09:47 |
| johnx | let's see, "see more crappy ads on engadget" vs "be able to scroll with my thumb" | 09:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm interested to see what those kinetic scrolling patches actually mean for MicroB | 09:47 |
| johnx | hmm...tough choice | 09:47 |
| jaska | adblock pro works on microbrowser :) | 09:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bogs everything down. | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: use junkbuster | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | or privoxy | 09:48 |
| * Navi doesn't see ads | 09:48 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:48 |
| jaska | true.. i just cant browse with ads | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | hosts/css is the way to go | 09:48 |
| jaska | disrupt my concentration | 09:48 |
| EruditeHermit | when is diablo coming? | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Q2 2008" | 09:48 |
| Navi | When hell freezes over | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | July at the latest. | 09:48 |
| jaska | could probably hosts-ify my desktop opera blacklist | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pay attention to the Modest progress. | 09:49 |
| jaska | they should renamed diablo to saatana | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's gonna be a decent metric for judging release. | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trademark issue. | 09:49 |
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| Navi | GeneralAntilles, http://www.xenf.net/images/Navifork.png | 09:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 09:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hahaha | 09:54 |
| johnx | :D | 09:54 |
| Navi | :P | 09:55 |
| Navi | How else do I type? I've no hands. | 09:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You should at some fairy boy until he types for you. | 09:59 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi ! | 10:00 |
| Navi | Hi | 10:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/should/shout/ | 10:01 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: You shout at some fairy boy until he types for you. | 10:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 10:01 | |
| Khertan_n810 | I understand now why dev don t upload their packages to extras | 10:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles to beds! | 10:01 | |
| Khertan_n810 | still no news ... | 10:02 |
| EruditeHermit | is there a way to get rid of unwanted libraries somewhat like how apt in debian or ubuntu handles unnecessary libs now | 10:02 |
| johnx | maybe get deborphan compiled? | 10:02 |
| EruditeHermit | yeah but I don't want to port it myself obviously =p | 10:02 |
| EruditeHermit | I'll do it eventually maybe | 10:03 |
| EruditeHermit | =p | 10:03 |
| johnx | shouldn't be much of a port | 10:03 |
| johnx | just a compile | 10:03 |
| hrw | johnx: but 'porting' is so nice buzzyword... | 10:05 |
| EruditeHermit | midori is ok | 10:06 |
| johnx | it's obviously not finished but its *fast* | 10:06 |
| EruditeHermit | yeah | 10:06 |
| EruditeHermit | has some page rendering problems | 10:06 |
| EruditeHermit | and basic bugs for buttons and input | 10:06 |
| EruditeHermit | but its nice so far | 10:06 |
| Khertan_n810 | bye | 10:07 |
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| EruditeHermit | wow I can't believe how slow microB is in comparison to all of these browsers | 10:07 |
| johnx | yeah :/ | 10:08 |
| johnx | thankfully there is nowhere it can go but up from here :) | 10:08 |
| EruditeHermit | it'd be nice if they updated flash with microB | 10:09 |
| EruditeHermit | do you think they'll do that? | 10:09 |
| johnx | no idea. is it just a minor version bump? | 10:10 |
| EruditeHermit | for flash? | 10:10 |
| EruditeHermit | yes | 10:10 |
| EruditeHermit | but it has some major fixes/feature updates | 10:10 |
| EruditeHermit | although its really slow | 10:10 |
| johnx | ah | 10:10 |
| EruditeHermit | major compatibility fixes with websites that require latest flash | 10:10 |
| EruditeHermit | but its slower than the older version on my desktop atleast =p | 10:10 |
| johnx | ick | 10:11 |
| EruditeHermit | yeah | 10:11 |
| johnx | "flash" and "slower than before" is always bad to hear | 10:11 |
| EruditeHermit | well the one on the tablet is 2 ago | 10:11 |
| EruditeHermit | the one 1 previous to the latest one is faster | 10:11 |
| johnx | I have it disabled on the tablet anyways | 10:11 |
| EruditeHermit | the new one is slowest | 10:11 |
| EruditeHermit | lol | 10:11 |
| johnx | I use a youtube viewer and just don't worry about it otherwise | 10:11 |
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| EruditeHermit | well BBC has added flash videos | 10:14 |
| johnx | a good flash video extractor would be nice | 10:14 |
| EruditeHermit | I dislike flash for its slowness too | 10:15 |
| johnx | it's probably an flv so if it could be extracted you could just save and view with mplayer | 10:16 |
| rm_you | yarp | 10:16 |
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| EruditeHermit | ahh | 10:21 |
| EruditeHermit | i'm out of space | 10:22 |
| * KotCzarny hums prodigy's song | 10:22 | |
| inz | Damn you, now it's playing in my head | 10:24 |
| hrw | ;)) | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | maemo should play it in the background when detecting low disc space | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | *disk | 10:25 |
| EruditeHermit | it would take up too much space | 10:25 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: disc contra disk? | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | disc suggests something round | 10:25 |
| hrw | EruditeHermit: really? they willadd it as one of preinstalled songs | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | i use flash memory nowadays | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | almost exclusively | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:26 |
| hrw | even with desktop? | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | i don't use desktops | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | but yes | 10:27 |
| hrw | ok - laptop used as desktop | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | i have 40pin ata--cf adapter too | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | in laptop i have 2x cf -- 44pin ata adapter | 10:28 |
| hrw | there are no 160GB cf cards yet | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | but there are 32gb ones | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | and that makes 64gb of flash storage possible | 10:28 |
| hrw | 32gb would be enough for my wife but not me | 10:28 |
| hrw | I use ~360GB of storage in desktop | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | dvd ripper, eh? | 10:28 |
| hrw | brb | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | |> My Head Feels like a Frisbee - Shpongle (Tales of the Inexpressible) | 10:29 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: lot of misc builds | 10:29 |
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| KotCzarny | still, i haven't said that i don't have regular hdds | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | i have 320gb usb drive | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | but only use it when i want to change my mp3/vid/sources list | 10:30 |
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| Khertan | Hi again ... | 10:52 |
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| mbuf | within a single maemo application, can we open mutiple windows, that can be minimized and maximized? or should we use tabs? | 11:00 |
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| mbuf | from where can i get the source of osso-xterm? | 11:03 |
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| KotCzarny | apt-get source osso-xterm | 11:03 |
| mbuf | KotCzarny, checking it out from svn, thanks | 11:04 |
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| Khertan | mbuf > yes you can open multiple windows ... | 11:14 |
| Khertan | using tabs only eat space ... | 11:14 |
| Khertan | use it efficiently | 11:14 |
| mbuf | Khertan, so, if i want many applications to be opened from a single application, it is easier this way | 11:14 |
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| mbuf | Khertan, i just checked xterm and it neatly opens multiple instances | 11:14 |
| Khertan | xterm isn't a great example of what a great application should be ... | 11:15 |
| mbuf | Khertan, i see | 11:15 |
| Khertan | in fact xterm itos2007 was better than the last buggy version ... | 11:15 |
| mbuf | Khertan, i only want to see how to open new window with a new application | 11:16 |
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| mbuf | brb | 11:16 |
| Khertan | hildon.Window() | 11:17 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:23 |
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| * Jaffa keeps getting unsubscribed from maemo mailing lists for "excessive bounces" with last bounce dated about 7 days ago. My mail server logs don't show any bounces. Anyone else getting this? | 11:26 | |
| scibot | Hi guys, I have openssh-server running on my tablet but I can't seem to access it from my desktop. | 11:26 |
| scibot | It responds to ping, so it isn't that sort of connectivity issue. =/ | 11:27 |
| johnx | you get connection refused or your password doesn't work? | 11:27 |
| scibot | It doesn't connect at all. | 11:27 |
| scibot | No response from the server that I can tell. | 11:27 |
| scibot | The ssh client just sits there waiting for a response, but none comes. | 11:28 |
| johnx | how long have you let it sit? | 11:28 |
| johnx | you should either get "ssh 192.168.1.111" and you get "No route to host" or "connection refused" eventually, I would think... | 11:28 |
| johnx | have you tried nmap? | 11:28 |
| mbuf | it happens with dropbear as well onN810; most of the time it doesn't respond to ssh requests from the PC | 11:29 |
| mbuf | earlier in the N800, i was able to do maximum of 3 ssh connections only from the PC to the device | 11:30 |
| johnx | mbuf, when it doesn't respond to ssh, is it able to respond to pings? | 11:30 |
| scibot | Debug from the client - http://pasteall.org/389 | 11:31 |
| mbuf | johnx, yes | 11:31 |
| mbuf | johnx, if i restart dropbear, "/etc/init.d/dropbear restart"; then after few seconds it responds | 11:31 |
| mbuf | johnx, but, if the connection is inactive for a period of time, the ssh connection on Eterm on the PC just hangs | 11:31 |
| johnx | I've started having my ssh client on PC send keep-alives every 45 seconds with good effect | 11:32 |
| johnx | My connection to opensshd on my tablet used to die off after a while, but now it seems better | 11:32 |
| mbuf | johnx, i see | 11:32 |
| johnx | I don't know about dropbear though... | 11:33 |
| solmumaha | can the tablet access the net? setting UseDNS no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config could help with connecting | 11:33 |
| keesj | solmumaha: you mean the matrix? | 11:34 |
| scibot | I can access the net from the tablet, and I can access the ssh from the tablet itself ala. localhost. | 11:34 |
| scibot | solmumaha, Doesn't make a difference. | 11:38 |
| solmumaha | k | 11:38 |
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| scibot | I don't get it though, it connects but why wont it continue past that point? | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | ssh -v | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | i mean ssh -d | 11:40 |
| scibot | ? | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | debug flag | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | you will see what it is doing | 11:40 |
| scibot | No such flag exists for my ssh client. | 11:41 |
| scibot | <scibot> Debug from the client - http://pasteall.org/389 | 11:41 |
| solmumaha | i had the same symptom when my dns servers were acting up and setting UseDNS no helps in that case | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | erm, use pastebin.com | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | it's nicer | 11:41 |
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| scibot | KotCzarny, It wasn't on my browser. =/ | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | try more -v flags | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | ie ssh -v -v -v | 11:42 |
| scibot | Same output | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | .196 is some local machine other ? | 11:43 |
| scibot | Only additional line, debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | and solmumaha may be right | 11:43 |
| scibot | It's a semi-local machine, runs through a couple of routers that propogate the wireless signal further, but it responds to ping from the same spot I'm trying to use my ssh client from. | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | it may be long dns resolve | 11:44 |
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| KotCzarny | on clinet or server side | 11:44 |
| scibot | I don't get how that's relevant when it has no problem connecting to the server? | 11:44 |
| scibot | The problem here is past the connection there doesn't seem to be much of a response. | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | server tries to resolve client hostname | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | for security reasons | 11:45 |
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| KotCzarny | add your client's ip to the server's /etc/hosts file? | 11:46 |
| scibot | Can't, dynamic IP. | 11:46 |
| solmumaha | yes, did you remember to restart sshd after the change? | 11:46 |
| scibot | Of course. | 11:46 |
| solmumaha | k | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | scibot, it's local ip | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | just try adding it for a test | 11:47 |
| scibot | That's more complicated than you think it is. | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | do you have local dns server? | 11:48 |
| scibot | I doubt it, but the router might. | 11:48 |
| solmumaha | you could also try running sshd on foreground with debug if it doesn't log on tablet | 11:49 |
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| scibot | "Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22" "socket: Address family not supported by protocol" | 11:51 |
| solmumaha | are you using ipv6? try -4 from client | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | it's not critical.. | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:54 |
| solmumaha | yes, but it doesn't hurt to rule it out | 11:56 |
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| scibot | ipv6 has only given me grief with debian. =/ | 12:04 |
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| solmumaha | i hear you, blacklisting ipv6 is the first thing i do on fresh install | 12:06 |
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| scibot | I give up, not worth the effort of resolving it. | 12:11 |
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| jesh | hello | 14:38 |
| johnx | hi | 14:39 |
| jesh | i wrote a simple helloworld-style application with pygtk | 14:39 |
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| jesh | and tried to change background color for a one button | 14:39 |
| jesh | with rc-file | 14:39 |
| jesh | however, while changing font and foreground works, background doesn't | 14:39 |
| jesh | i wonder why? | 14:40 |
| jesh | i mean, background color stays white | 14:40 |
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| Mikho | a question: | 14:55 |
| Mikho | what is the right way to make it possible for the application to write to it's own data files? | 14:56 |
| Mikho | I have the app installed in /usr/share/<appname> but I just realized it can't create log files or modify its own conf file | 14:57 |
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| johnx | usually log files and user-specific conf goes into /home/user/.<your-app-name> | 14:58 |
| Mikho | if I don't want user-specific conf, but app-specific? | 14:58 |
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| johnx | well, generally anything that is changeable by the user at run-time is considered user specific conf | 14:59 |
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| Mikho | so there's really no good way for a program to modify its own data files? | 15:00 |
| Mikho | without making copies to every user's home directory | 15:01 |
| johnx | I think the "copy to $HOME" seems to be how most Unix programs handle it | 15:02 |
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| Mikho | I don't like the idea, but if there's no choice... | 15:02 |
| johnx | well, they're is always a choice... | 15:03 |
| johnx | I'm just saying how I've *seen* other apps do it | 15:03 |
| johnx | you could just make your data files world writeable | 15:03 |
| jesh | or group writeable | 15:03 |
| jesh | or make a setuid program to edit them | 15:03 |
| johnx | is 'user' in any groups by default, besides dialout, video and audio? | 15:04 |
| johnx | either way, you could add 'user' to a group and make the data file only editable by people in that group | 15:04 |
| Mikho | i see | 15:04 |
| johnx | it's all kind of acedemic as there is basically no way to add another user on the tablet | 15:05 |
| Mikho | oh, I didn't know that | 15:05 |
| johnx | Unless you're incredibly worried about Unix correctness, making your data files world-writeable and writeable by user only are pretty much the same thing on OS2008 | 15:06 |
| johnx | I don't see Nokia changing their "single user" approach any time soon, but I don't have any inside info, so I can't be sure | 15:06 |
| Mikho | ok | 15:07 |
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| Mikho | all right, how can I find out the home directory within a c program? | 15:11 |
| onion | Mikho: if you use glib: g_get_home_dir | 15:13 |
| opendeep | hello X_Fade_ | 15:13 |
| Mikho | ok, thanks | 15:13 |
| johnx | or if you don't use glib, getenv(), $HOME is the one you're interested in | 15:15 |
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| hrw | ~curse nokia | 15:16 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia ! | 15:16 |
| hrw | 2.6.18-omap1 works nice on 770 but no wifi | 15:16 |
| hrw | ssvb: ping | 15:18 |
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| ssvb | hrw: ack | 15:23 |
| hrw | ssvb: you hack cx3110x for 770 - right? | 15:24 |
| ssvb | right | 15:24 |
| hrw | ssvb: why 2.6.16 instead of 2.6.18 kernel? | 15:25 |
| ssvb | ? | 15:25 |
| ssvb | just because it works | 15:25 |
| hrw | 2.6.18 works on my 770 with Poky | 15:25 |
| hrw | ok - other thing | 15:26 |
| hrw | ssvb: I have two patches for cx3110x | 15:26 |
| ssvb | hrw: but I'm not maintaining cx3110x :) | 15:26 |
| ssvb | what kind of patches do you have? | 15:27 |
| hrw | ah - I was thinking that you are one of them ;) | 15:27 |
| hrw | http://pastebin.ca/979499 makes 1.2 build for 770 with 2.6.18 | 15:27 |
| ssvb | cool, does it work? | 15:28 |
| hrw | http://pastebin.ca/979503 make passing CC and LD much easier | 15:28 |
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| ssvb | I mean, is that all that is needed to fix? | 15:28 |
| hrw | ssvb: I use umac.ko from 2.6.16.27 with some hacking + cx3110x source | 15:29 |
| ssvb | I suggest posting your patches to cx3110x-devel mailing list | 15:30 |
| hrw | ok | 15:31 |
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| wom- | hi, anyone familiar with osso file manager | 15:49 |
| johnx | you mean using it or its source code? | 15:50 |
| wom- | is there away to add kind of "open with" menu to it | 15:50 |
| wom- | source | 15:50 |
| wom- | i was thinking of plugin for it | 15:50 |
| wom- | if it supports plugins or extensions | 15:50 |
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| wom- | hmm, maybe just registering mime/type and application would be enough | 15:54 |
| inz | If it's done properly, then yeah | 15:54 |
| wom- | could work in this case | 15:54 |
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| WormFood | I still can't seem to connect to any sites with bzip2 package for n800 (I'm in china, and some sites are blocked here)....does anyone have a url handy, where I can download that package? | 16:08 |
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| Navi | Which package? | 16:17 |
| Navi | lame | 16:17 |
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| johnx | hey, try from here WormFood : http://sheeplauncher.net/bzip2_1.0.4-1_armel.deb | 16:21 |
| WormFood | thanks johnx | 16:23 |
| johnx | did it work? :) | 16:23 |
| WormFood | trying now | 16:23 |
| WormFood | yes it works for me, thanks a lot ;) | 16:24 |
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| johnx | I'm not a big fan of people who restrict other people's access to the internet, on principle :D | 16:24 |
| johnx | glad it worked | 16:24 |
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| zxula | I unpacked the rootfs from the latest FIASCO image added a few files in the rootfs usr/bin directory and then I reflashed the device with the new rootfs, everything seems to work but for some reason it's not loading the theme everything seems to be using the default GTK interface and it also shows the mouse cursor anyone knows what the problem could be? | 16:27 |
| zxula | the applications and everything seem to work fine | 16:28 |
| johnx | definitely sounds like something went pretty wrong, If you launch an app from the terminal does it complain about missing theme images or something helpful? | 16:29 |
| johnx | what did you add to /usr/bin ? | 16:29 |
| zxula | some binaries I made | 16:29 |
| zxula | nop it doesn't it loads it fine | 16:29 |
| zxula | but it uses the typical gtk theme the one you see on the pc's the default grayish color | 16:29 |
| johnx | if you try to select a theme from the menu on the home screen what happens? | 16:30 |
| zxula | also I noticed it doesn't save my startup applet setup it always bails back to the default so I'm guessing it could be a permission problem on the jffs2 fs that I made? | 16:30 |
| johnx | could the binaries you added be overlapping in name with something else on the system? | 16:30 |
| zxula | it doesn't load it | 16:30 |
| zxula | nop | 16:30 |
| zxula | it's just 2 binaries | 16:30 |
| zxula | different names | 16:30 |
| zxula | I mean non typical unix commands | 16:30 |
| WormFood | I have another problem I have never experienced before.....if I open a web browser without a wireless connection, it prompts me to pick a wireless connection, and after I select it, it will not work...all screen taps and button pushes do nothing....I do not feel the unit is locked up, but something is wrong.....anyone seen this problem before? | 16:31 |
| WormFood | this is on an N800 | 16:31 |
| WormFood | I have not experimented with it much, but I will....I was just wondering if anyone experienced it before | 16:32 |
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| mgedmin | I've seen all kinds of strange semi-crashes | 16:34 |
| mgedmin | e.g. sometimes the browser just stops making new connections, and you can't use it any more until you restart it | 16:34 |
| WormFood | well, I've had this particular problem at least 2 or 3 times now....does not seem to be random | 16:35 |
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| zxula | the perms seem to be preserved in the filesystem and users directory so I'm guessing it's something else | 16:35 |
| zxula | I noticed the xterminal doesn't default to the users home dir so I'm guessing some global variables such as the home aren't set? | 16:38 |
| zxula | it defaults to the / dir | 16:38 |
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| johnx | but /home/user is still there? | 16:40 |
| johnx | what about the permissions on /home/user and it's sub-directories? | 16:41 |
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| zxula | johnx: yea | 16:44 |
| zxula | I noticed it had the wrong perms though | 16:44 |
| zxula | it had some weird uids | 16:45 |
| zxula | 503 or something | 16:45 |
| johnx | that would do it :) | 16:45 |
| zxula | I restored it lets see | 16:45 |
| zxula | yeah that was it! | 16:45 |
| zxula | thx :> | 16:45 |
| johnx | sure :) | 16:45 |
| johnx | ok, I'm drawing a blank, what's the busybox command to add a user to a group | 16:45 |
| elb | vi /etc/group | 16:46 |
| elb | ;-) | 16:46 |
| johnx | heh :P | 16:46 |
| johnx | I need to use it in a postinst script | 16:46 |
| johnx | I'm trying to make proper "user friendly" fuse packages that "just work" | 16:46 |
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| WormFood | johnx, thanks again for that bzip2 url, that is exactly what I needed....I've already tried it out on my n800 ;) | 16:47 |
| johnx | great. :D I enjoy helping people circumvent impediments to high-quality compression algorithms | 16:49 |
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| WormFood | I don't know why bzip2 isn't part of busybox | 16:51 |
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| johnx | because they didn't need it so they figured they could save a couple KB | 16:52 |
| elb | johnx: addgroup is the "standard" way, I don't have busybox in front of me to see if it offers it | 16:53 |
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| elb | I quote standard because it's not very standard | 16:54 |
| johnx | yeah, it's adduser in debian :) | 16:54 |
| hrw | WormFood: bunzip2 is in busybox | 16:54 |
| elb | addgroup works fine in debian | 16:54 |
| johnx | ah, heh. | 16:54 |
| elb | addgroup username groupname | 16:54 |
| * johnx learns something new everyday | 16:55 | |
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| johnx | anyways, there's no addgroup on OS2008 and 'groupadd user users' prints the usage info | 16:55 |
| ewanchic | hello. I need to talk to someone who is in charge of the http://repository.maemo.org/ files :) | 16:56 |
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| Jaffa | ewanchic: probably best to raise a bug at bugs.maemo.org if it's anything important | 16:57 |
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| opendeep | I want to commit to repository ,can anyone send me that invitation | 16:57 |
| ewanchic | Jaffa, the problem is that e2fsprogs is missing. | 16:58 |
| opendeep | username:opendeep @ garage.maemo.org | 16:58 |
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| zxula | johnx: my os2008 has groupadd -g gid -o group | 16:58 |
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| zxula | it's the rel 3 i think | 16:58 |
| ewanchic | It was there two days ago, and now it's gone as of yesterday. | 16:58 |
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| johnx | zxula, so pretend I'm really dumb, what's the command to add a user to an existing group? | 17:00 |
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| lopz | hi | 17:01 |
| johnx | nevermind, got it with usermod | 17:01 |
| johnx | err...hmm | 17:01 |
| johnx | nah, just tricked myself. The question is still open. :) | 17:01 |
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| zxula | oh sorry I misunderstood the question | 17:02 |
| johnx | no worries. :) | 17:02 |
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| ewanchic | Does anybody know where else I can get the e2fsprogs package? | 17:04 |
| johnx | here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/e/e2fsprogs/ | 17:04 |
| zxula | gpasswd works? | 17:04 |
| ewanchic | johnx: It's not there. | 17:04 |
| ewanchic | AHHH! | 17:05 |
| ewanchic | It's there now :P | 17:05 |
| johnx | ewanchic, :) | 17:05 |
| johnx | zxula, thanks. that might do it. Somehow I've never heard of that command before... O_o | 17:05 |
| zxula | np | 17:05 |
| johnx | works! awesome | 17:06 |
| zxula | :> | 17:06 |
| johnx | Using Debian since 1998 has obviously made me soft | 17:06 |
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| ewanchic | You have to believe me, it was there not more than an hour ago. maybe that 'other' guy I was talking to got it out there. I'm happy again. | 17:06 |
| johnx | ewanchic, well, just make sure you grab one before they run out again. It's a popular package so they often run out of stock :D | 17:07 |
| ewanchic | johnx: LOL I'm sure of it! | 17:07 |
| johnx | honestly though, maemo.org has lots of weird hiccups | 17:07 |
| ewanchic | AHHHHH. I see the problem now. I've kept going to http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/e/ ....remove the extras directory. | 17:09 |
| ewanchic | old post I was looking at I guess | 17:09 |
| johnx | yeah, it's kinda confusing | 17:09 |
| hrw | ~curse nOKIA for lack of any idea how wifi works in linux | 17:10 |
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| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nOKIA for lack of any idea how wifi works in linux ! | 17:10 |
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| johnx | heh...hrw, get in line. They control battery charge through a userspace binary-only program... | 17:11 |
| hrw | good bye WPA on !maemo | 17:11 |
| hrw | johnx: I am in that line for over year | 17:12 |
| lcuk | qgil, i will have an answer by 6pm gmt, my boss is mumbling over whether to untether me. (if qgil aint here could someone just pass that on if they see him) | 17:12 |
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| zxula | hrw: yea they limit the sources to the driver too | 17:13 |
| johnx | hrw, What problem are you having with WPA? You've seen that patch that adds a little bit of wext support, right? | 17:13 |
| hrw | johnx: I booted Poky on 770. we use 2.6.18 (from os2007-n800) on it. I even have modules for wifi which loads into kernel | 17:13 |
| hrw | johnx: I used cx3110x 1.2 sources | 17:13 |
| johnx | so that incorporates the wext patch? | 17:13 |
| zxula | that's only a limited subset of the drivers :/ | 17:13 |
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| johnx | true, but it's enough for wpa_supplicant (for the n800 at least) | 17:14 |
| zxula | yea for his case it is but if you wanna do other stuff it's not | 17:14 |
| zxula | like support writing tx packets while the card is in monitor mode | 17:14 |
| johnx | ah, the famous "packet injection" :) | 17:14 |
| zxula | I was disassembling the propriator module that they use and it's entirely based on the prism drivers | 17:15 |
| zxula | even the function names are the same | 17:16 |
| hrw | zxula: which prism drivers? I know atleast 3 | 17:16 |
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| zxula | I mean doing the mod for the prism like drivers isn't hard | 17:16 |
| hrw | orinoco, hostap, wlan-ng | 17:16 |
| zxula | prism2 I think | 17:16 |
| zxula | oh wlan-ng | 17:16 |
| hrw | wlan-ng is the worst shit when it comes to drivers | 17:16 |
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| hrw | open drivers of course | 17:17 |
| johnx | isn't wlan-ng GPL'ed? | 17:17 |
| zxula | but even if you modify the lkm directly or setup hooks into them you'd still be violating the users license agreement | 17:17 |
| hrw | johnx: about wext patch - no idea | 17:17 |
| jobu | have any of you tried putting android on an n800? | 17:17 |
| Blafasel | zxula: I wouldn't care about that if that would give me more wlan features.. | 17:18 |
| zxula | Blafasel: as a user sure, but posting such a thing will get you into trouble | 17:18 |
| zxula | I went back and forth telling them what to do and they denied doing it | 17:19 |
| zxula | I mean the mods are a joke | 17:19 |
| zxula | to add support for it | 17:19 |
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| johnx | hrw, maybe, I'm confused about what you're talking about, but there is a patch here, that seems to add enough wext support for me to use wpa_supplicant on an N800: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000005.html | 17:20 |
| hrw | johnx: as usual with maemo stuff all you can get from google contain irclogs or forum posts. | 17:20 |
| hrw | someone should host garage.maemo.org on better link and give google access | 17:20 |
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| Blafasel | zxula: Not for me, I fear. But maybe it's worth looking at them. | 17:22 |
| monkeyiq | hmm, I might try googling around for WPA2 patches for the n810. | 17:23 |
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| johnx | monkeyiq, What kind of network are you trying to join with it? | 17:23 |
| monkeyiq | johnx; I join a WPA2 | 17:23 |
| monkeyiq | johnx; but its rather slower than I'd like | 17:23 |
| monkeyiq | I've not looked into what is handing the en/decryption on the 810, but whatever it is, it is very slow. | 17:24 |
| johnx | it would probably be handled on the CPU, right? | 17:24 |
| monkeyiq | I'm tempted to see what speed I can get on a non encrypted AP using ssh tunneling and firewailling on the router to block non ssh traffic | 17:25 |
| monkeyiq | johnx; yeah 100% cpu load at the peak 500kbyte/sec | 17:25 |
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| johnx | sounds about right | 17:25 |
| johnx | Somehow I don't see ssh being faster... | 17:25 |
| monkeyiq | I can scp to localhost on the n810 at 1mb/sec | 17:26 |
| johnx | right, but just using the wireless card unencrypted takes CPU time | 17:26 |
| johnx | but sure, go ahead and test it. I'd be interested in the results | 17:26 |
| monkeyiq | also, a tinc VPN ontop of WPA2 can run almost at 400kbyte/sec | 17:27 |
| zxula | monkeyiq: it will avg at 250k/s on an open ap with sftp | 17:27 |
| monkeyiq | zxula; hmm so sftp is 50% slower than WPA2? | 17:27 |
| zxula | no idea that's on a 54mbs router between the n810 and my laptop | 17:28 |
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| zxula | i sftp from my laptop into the n810 | 17:28 |
| zxula | it starts at 450k then drops down to 250k | 17:28 |
| monkeyiq | hmm, can you easily test what a wget from a web server can give you with no encryption? | 17:29 |
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| hrw | johnx: thx | 17:29 |
| monkeyiq | I'd be interested to see what overhead the ssh is giving you | 17:29 |
| zxula | ok 1sec but there are so many factors that may delay it | 17:29 |
| zxula | I'll try it on my lan | 17:29 |
| johnx | hrw, you think that will work with the 770? If so I'll update my wiki | 17:29 |
| monkeyiq | I tested it with just d/loading a 10mb junk file created with dd | 17:30 |
| zxula | 450k/s | 17:30 |
| monkeyiq | hmm, interesting... so you don't actually seem to get any speed advantage at all not using WPA2 | 17:30 |
| zxula | don't think | 17:31 |
| hrw | johnx: same fault | 17:31 |
| zxula | I mean the processing power to do the wpa2 stuff is minimal I guess | 17:31 |
| zxula | or not worth worrying about | 17:32 |
| hrw | johnx: still crash | 17:32 |
| monkeyiq | sort of a shame if you want to scp 600mb of oggs to the n810 at the last minute before heading out. having to dig up the usb cable or wait for 500kb/sec :/ | 17:32 |
| johnx | hrw, that's interesting. wpa_supplicant certainly complained when I used it, but it worked. | 17:32 |
| monkeyiq | zxula; I was sort of afraid of that, given that I can run ssh or tinc ontop of the WPA2 stuff and still see 350-400kb/s | 17:32 |
| hrw | root@nokia770:~# wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf | 17:33 |
| hrw | ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: No such device | 17:33 |
| hrw | REBOOT | 17:33 |
| johnx | reboot?! | 17:33 |
| hrw | device self reboot | 17:33 |
| johnx | ok, that didn't happen to me on the N800 | 17:34 |
| johnx | have you disabled watchdog reboots? | 17:34 |
| hrw | n800 has other wifi chip | 17:34 |
| hrw | johnx: no | 17:34 |
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| zxula | oh btw if you're doing long transfers the ssh will die if you don't manually set the power management to off | 17:35 |
| johnx | zxula, it doesn't here. I would assume it depends on the router | 17:35 |
| zxula | even if you put in the connection settings power management off it will set the power management to on on it's on | 17:35 |
| zxula | on/own | 17:35 |
| monkeyiq | hmm, I've only tried to xfer files up to about 700mb over scp | 17:35 |
| zxula | I had to explicitly set iwconfig wlan0 power off | 17:35 |
| zxula | johnx: that's true I haven't had this issue with my old router it sends a keep alive or something | 17:36 |
| monkeyiq | and I've got power mgmt=on here. | 17:36 |
| zxula | yea your router must be good then | 17:36 |
| monkeyiq | though I might experiment with that, I had a longer NFS xfer die unexpectedly on me. Though I thought that might have been a flow control issue | 17:37 |
| johnx | that being said, if I send enough *from* the N800 it's wireless connection will eventually die and need to be brought up again | 17:37 |
| zxula | yea you need iwconfig wlan0 power off | 17:38 |
| zxula | i don't know if there is a way to programatically take control of this | 17:38 |
| zxula | through dbus maybe | 17:38 |
| Blafasel | Regarding the wifi drivers again: If they are basically using a prism GPL driver, aren't they forced to disclose the source? | 17:38 |
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| monkeyiq | zxula: dbus might be the go | 17:38 |
| monkeyiq | zxula; I bring up tinc using dbus to respond to connection up msgs | 17:39 |
| zxula | oh cool | 17:39 |
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| monkeyiq | zxula; check out these http://www.cobb.uk.net/770/#dbus-scripts | 17:39 |
| johnx | Blafasel, They are dual licensed (at least 2 licenses...) MPL and GPL2 | 17:41 |
| zxula | looks like dbus might be a way to disable the power management | 17:42 |
| monkeyiq | yeah, should be fairly quick to brew a little script with that link too. | 17:42 |
| Blafasel | johnx: Ah, ok. Sad. | 17:43 |
| johnx | yeah, I was wondering about that too. :/ | 17:43 |
| johnx | anyways, off to bed | 17:43 |
| jott | maybe there are still gpl2-only parts in it... hm | 17:44 |
| johnx | jott, it looks like "AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc" retains all rights, so they could just license it however they want | 17:44 |
| _V_ | re | 17:45 |
| _V_ | i'm unable do unistalle openssh :( | 17:46 |
| _V_ | this is the message i receive: | 17:46 |
| jott | as long as they only used the code from them... | 17:46 |
| _V_ | http://rafb.net/p/oZEMyF44.html | 17:46 |
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| _V_ | any idea on what is the problem ? | 17:46 |
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| jott | zxula: have you analyzed how big the difference are between the baseline opensource drivers? | 17:47 |
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| zxula | jott: not really I just skimmed through the disassembly and looked more into the tx_ routines | 17:48 |
| jott | ok | 17:48 |
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| zxula | but you can write up a script in ELF diff script for that matter | 17:48 |
| zxula | not sure if IDA supports it, it should be fairly easy to script a plugin for it | 17:48 |
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| zxula | or gdb | 17:49 |
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| konttori | Was someone asking for me? | 18:00 |
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| hrw | 09 21:52 < qgil> konttori: are you here? | 18:05 |
| * konttori read the backlog. yeah | 18:06 | |
| hrw | konttori: you wrote ukmp? | 18:06 |
| konttori | qgil was mentioning me a few times | 18:06 |
| konttori | yeah | 18:06 |
| konttori | as a python learning hobby | 18:06 |
| hrw | konttori: I do not like its post install script | 18:06 |
| konttori | and hack test | 18:06 |
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| hrw | konttori: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/03/31/very-small-test-of-maemo-media-players/ | 18:06 |
| konttori | Yeah. I read your comment | 18:06 |
| konttori | ukmp is a hack. The postinst is a convenience for me. | 18:07 |
| konttori | Is there something specific you'd like to change? | 18:07 |
| konttori | I could maybe put some parts of the script as part of my build script. (like the cp) | 18:07 |
| hrw | remove all those "mv this.py this" as it should be done during building of package | 18:07 |
| hrw | konttori: next is - remove removing from cards. it should be an option in application for doing this | 18:08 |
| hrw | konttori: basic rule: NEVER EVER touch user data | 18:08 |
| konttori | it used to be an option. I just then decided to be user friendly/evil/knowitall/knowsitbest | 18:09 |
| konttori | as you can see the commented confirmation code there. | 18:09 |
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| konttori | I just ended up making it (for that version) automatic. As it was actually mandatory (for fixing the database corruptions from previous version) | 18:10 |
| hrw | anyway I did not found any media player for me yet | 18:10 |
| konttori | I suggest canola. It's nice | 18:10 |
| konttori | or just build your own. Should not be too hard | 18:12 |
| hrw | ;) | 18:12 |
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| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/10/the-curse-of-maemo-closed-source-components/ | 18:14 |
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| jaska | yeah its fairly silly | 18:14 |
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| zxula | hrw: nice | 18:23 |
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| deejoe | hrw: thanks for the link | 18:35 |
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| zerodegre | anyone home can hwlp me with mapper? | 19:43 |
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| zerodegre | i got the GPs working in my 810 with mapper, but which maps should i use??? also, which ones would be best to make it the most like a regualr step by step GPS system, or is this possible? | 19:44 |
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| zerodegre | anyone? | 19:47 |
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| lcuk | zerodegre, i think you caught this channel at its quietest | 20:30 |
| lcuk | i just use the regular map software - we havent sprung for the paid for additional turn by turn but i hear its just a normal regular working map app | 20:31 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hi again ! | 20:31 |
| lcuk | hi Khertan_n810 | 20:31 |
| lcuk | how goes the pygtk editor? | 20:32 |
| lcuk | and why didnt you let people know it changes font size ... | 20:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | maybe someone can help me : someone know the process of validating packages uploaded to extras ? | 20:32 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk > since the first version you can change font with zoom key | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | as maemo guideslines suggest it | 20:33 |
| lcuk | i know that now :P it was never documented and its likely the only thing ive ever needed my zoom for | 20:33 |
| Khertan_n810 | i know i should write a documentation | 20:33 |
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| lcuk | its ok, it makes it more readable now thanks for pointing it out | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i prefers coding | 20:34 |
| lcuk | now, are you still having same problem as yesterday | 20:34 |
| lcuk | i agree with the coding aspect :) | 20:34 |
| Khertan_n810 | there is other thing not documented as the search which is a regex search | 20:34 |
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| Khertan_n810 | lcuk > my package was not validate ... due to some formatting prroblem in pypackager created files | 20:35 |
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| __wellu__ | hi | 20:35 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i ve made some fix | 20:35 |
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| lcuk | and you are in a holding cycle again? | 20:36 |
| __wellu__ | anyone around using Eclipse+Esbox for developing? Got some problems.. | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | but i would know how they test package to be able to test mine before sending it again and waiting | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk > since 10 min yes | 20:37 |
| Khertan_n810 | __wellu__> no sorry ... i made only onboard dev | 20:37 |
| __wellu__ | Well, my problem is more IDE problem I guess anyway.. | 20:38 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i like this n810 small keyboard ! | 20:38 |
| __wellu__ | Ok, here's the problem: I've got some code that compiles under SB just fine.. Simple Makefile and few sources.. | 20:39 |
| lcuk | i am expecting to speak with quim tonight, i will ask him your question if i manage to find him and see if i can get some additional info put online or sent to your address | 20:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | just need to patch it for bracket and commercial and | 20:39 |
| lcuk | now you understand the importance of TAB!!!! | 20:39 |
| __wellu__ | the code is in SVN | 20:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | to my mail will be prefered | 20:39 |
| lcuk | ill certainly pass your concern on or at least find out who it should be directed to | 20:39 |
| Khertan_n810 | lcuk > the next version of pygtkeditor can int and unindent multiple line | 20:40 |
| lcuk | it would help people if we knew what to check for ourselves | 20:40 |
| __wellu__ | I just want to use Eclipse as an editor.. nothing else.. Somehow it is not trivial as I'm forced to create a new project and duplicate sources. | 20:40 |
| lcuk | wellu, i hate eclipse | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | me too | 20:40 |
| lcuk | are you using the vmware box for maemo? | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | this doesn t work on n810 | 20:40 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:40 |
| lcuk | or is all this in proper grown up linux | 20:41 |
| lcuk | what doesnt work on 810? | 20:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | eclipse | 20:41 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:42 |
| __wellu__ | LOL | 20:42 |
| lcuk | you compiled it for 810? with all java deps? | 20:42 |
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| Khertan_n810 | oh great there is a param for emoticons in chat ... | 20:42 |
| Khertan_n810 | yeah ! no more this stupid things | 20:43 |
| Khertan_n810 | :P | 20:43 |
| lcuk | what are you using to chat in? | 20:44 |
| * lcuk is in xchat | 20:44 | |
| * __wellu__ in irssi | 20:44 | |
| * Khertan_n810 use telepathy on n810 | 20:44 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 in xchat on n800 | 20:44 | |
| * qwerty12_N800 likes except | 20:44 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | for stupid copy and paste | 20:45 |
| Khertan_n810 | except ? | 20:45 |
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| Khertan_n810 | don t know this client | 20:45 |
| lcuk2 | well if everyone is in with their devices i might as well join you | 20:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | omg, you never heard of xchat! :p | 20:46 |
| qwerty12_N800 | lol | 20:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | /ctcp VERSION lcuk2 | 20:46 |
| lcuk2 | on my 810 with a nokia wireless kb | 20:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | arg can t pass command | 20:46 |
| lcuk2 | what does ctcp do? | 20:46 |
| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 > know it , never really use it | 20:47 |
| Khertan_n810 | ask irc client version | 20:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I don't know the first thing about irc :p, the first channel i joined was xbins. this is my 1st particpating channel | 20:47 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 20:47 |
| lcuk2 | ahhh thought you were trying to zap me with some sort of defence mechanism | 20:47 |
| lcuk2 | i think all the mumbo jumbo commands are way over the top | 20:48 |
| lcuk2 | brb | 20:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol no ! just curious to know if u are testing telepathy after i mention it | 20:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | just a question ? Does my english is good ? or does i m speaking as well as a spanish cow ? | 20:49 |
| lcuk | no you are understandable (a bit odd sometimes but its understandable) | 20:49 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol oki :) | 20:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | as i french so, my native language ;) | 20:50 |
| lcuk | yer, infact your english is better than some of the english folks in here ;) | 20:50 |
| zerodegre | has anyone use maemo mapper int he 810 with GPS? and able to use it to get routes? | 20:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | lol | 20:50 |
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| Khertan_n810 | zerodegre > obviously i found the gps terribly slow to get signals... and never use it since i ve understood that it need 15min from a cold start to be ready | 20:52 |
| Khertan_n810 | and in my car it s more hours ... | 20:53 |
| zerodegre | mine seemed to work pretty quick | 20:53 |
| elb | zerodegre: are you in the US? | 20:54 |
| zerodegre | yes | 20:54 |
| zerodegre | i used google street | 20:54 |
| * elb adds another data point to the support for his hypothesis | 20:54 | |
| Khertan_n810 | hu? maybe i should return my n810 | 20:54 |
| zerodegre | with maemo maps | 20:54 |
| elb | Europeans seem to have a lot more trouble with the GPS than Americans | 20:54 |
| zerodegre | and yahoo streets | 20:54 |
| zerodegre | but i am unsure how to download entire maps, | 20:54 |
| zerodegre | for an area | 20:55 |
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| Khertan_n810 | i ve something random shutdown too when i close keyboard too quicly | 20:55 |
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| Khertan_n810 | s/quicly/quickly | 20:55 |
| qwerty12_N800 | the eu really needs 2 launch some satellites :( | 20:55 |
| elb | zerodegre: for maemo mapper, you can select a center and a radius and snag maps | 20:55 |
| zerodegre | elb. how do i do that? | 20:55 |
| elb | it's in the documentation, perhaps even the FAQ | 20:55 |
| elb | (I'm not in front of my 810 right now, I'll look in a moment) | 20:56 |
| zerodegre | ok | 20:56 |
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| Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 > we will have our own satellites with their own protocol ... | 20:56 |
| elb | maybe, eventually | 20:56 |
| elb | if it doesn't get scrapped again | 20:56 |
| qwerty12_N800 | hopefully :) | 20:57 |
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| florian | bbl | 20:57 |
| elb | but there are certainly GPS receivers which work fine in Europe | 20:57 |
| Khertan_n810 | so need new device | 20:57 |
| elb | the n810 just doesn't seem to be one of them ;-) | 20:57 |
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| elb | note that this is entirely empirical observation, I have no understanding of why this might be -- although GPS is more difficult to use in high latitudes | 20:57 |
| lcuk | gps works for me as long as i hold aloft my mighty 810 and worship the sun god (for upto 30 minutes facing north) | 20:58 |
| lcuk | gps works at any altitude, and infact the heigher you are the more sats are in clear view | 20:58 |
| glass | n95's gps sucks bigtime if the assist isn't enabled | 20:58 |
| elb | I said *latitude*, not altitude | 20:59 |
| Khertan_n810 | in fact none gps receiver work in my car | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | lol @ misreading | 20:59 |
| elb | as you near the poles, GPS becomes more problematic | 20:59 |
| lcuk | but still, nope there are some in a polar orbit as well as other directions | 20:59 |
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| elb | but still, yeah, it's the truth | 21:00 |
| elb | I think maybe because the poles are farther from the satellites on average | 21:00 |
| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ConstellationGPS.gif | 21:00 |
| elb | (the Earth is not spherical) | 21:00 |
| elb | it could also have to do with atmospheric conditions, however | 21:00 |
| elb | I know what the constellation looks like, I'm telling you that this is a fact of GPS operation | 21:00 |
| lcuk | earth doesnt have to be spherical - more likely localised buildings as well | 21:01 |
| elb | in fact, it's one of the reasons the EU wants to put up its own constellation | 21:01 |
| lcuk | i thought it was just so that they werent reliant upon america | 21:01 |
| elb | (look up Galileo) | 21:01 |
| elb | that's one reason, yes | 21:01 |
| Khertan_n810 | hu ! can't use google tanslation tool on my n810 | 21:02 |
| lcuk | oooh yer: better positioning services at high latitudes | 21:02 |
| elb | anyway, I don't know if that's related | 21:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | there are saying that my request look like an automated request that could be do by a virus | 21:02 |
| elb | but I do know that a lot of American n810 users say it works fine for them, and I've never seen a European say so :-) | 21:03 |
| elb | perhaps it simply assumes a US starting position, and so US cold starts are quicker | 21:03 |
| lcuk | doesnt make sense for a european company | 21:03 |
| elb | I agree | 21:04 |
| elb | although the US may be their largest market for ITs | 21:04 |
| elb | I don't get that impression from this channel, but I don't know | 21:04 |
| Khertan_n810 | a will said more : no sense for a european company where the main market is europe | 21:04 |
| elb | but all of my speculations are just that -- speculation | 21:05 |
| elb | it's simply a trend I have noticed | 21:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | in europe nokia is the leader on phone :) | 21:05 |
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| Khertan_n810 | distancing all other company | 21:05 |
| Khertan_n810 | companies ? | 21:05 |
| lcuk | well and truly | 21:05 |
| elb | I think that may be true worldwide | 21:05 |
| elb | now that Motorola was ground into the dirt | 21:06 |
| glass | Khertan_n810: dunno if europe is 'main' market anymore, asia and emerging markets take a lot of the business volume | 21:06 |
| elb | although one of the Asian companies may hold that title | 21:06 |
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| glass | they are biggest worldwide | 21:06 |
| glass | nokia that is | 21:06 |
| glass | 40% | 21:06 |
| lcuk | elb, your observation may infact be valid for this device. it could simply be that suboptimal antenna location/choice could make what should be a standard worldwide chip solution into something that is indeed flakey when things go off the yellow brick road | 21:07 |
| glass | n95's antenna is under the keypad.. so you have to keep the device open | 21:08 |
| glass | dunno where the antenna is in n810 | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | top left corner in the body ifiak | 21:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody notice konttori's post on ITT on the new MicroB? :D | 21:22 |
| qwerty12_N800 | yeah | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 21:23 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I want Diablo to come quick | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, you around? | 21:24 |
| lcuk | he went to bed sometime after 1pm | 21:26 |
| elb | no, is an update pending? | 21:26 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, thanks | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=167852#post167852 | 21:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I wanted to ask him something | 21:26 |
| lcuk | well i gathered that :PO | 21:27 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, is it real? does it actually work better? | 21:27 |
| elb | GeneralAntilles: thanks | 21:27 |
| lcuk | have you tried it? | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do I have access to Diablo? :P | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, you probably have your sources :p | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only. | 21:28 |
| lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles's cat runs diablo when gen isnt looking | 21:29 |
| * lcuk is feeling dog tired after only getting < 1 hour kip last night | 21:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I hear she held Texrat hostage for a few days and got an N900 and a copy of Diablo out of him. | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | She wont show me until I upgrade her Deli Cat to caviar. | 21:30 |
| lcuk | i wonder if this is more efficient ondemand settings kicking into effect. | 21:30 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N800, was there anything we could help with or did you specifically need kot | 21:31 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, I wanted to ask kot because he compiled mplayer with v4l but i'm getting errors. I'm off my computer anyway :) | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks btw | 21:33 |
| rm_you | I wish I could test all this cool new stuff that's coming out :/ | 21:33 |
| rm_you | Maybe I will be able to afford the N8/9xx whenever it comes out | 21:34 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I'm not so keen on an n900. I think I'll buy another pocket pc or maybe an iPhone (yes, but I don't really like it but there is supposed to be a q3 port. but if q3 runs on the n900, i'm sold9 | 21:37 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/9/) | 21:37 |
| pupnik | can i quote you on that qwerty12_N800 ? | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming we get drivers, the N900 will run a lot better than Q3. | 21:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | pupnik, erm :/ :p | 21:38 |
| mwaldron | n900? am i missin something? | 21:38 |
| qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, I don't have much hope, looking at Nokia current record | 21:38 |
| pupnik | btw quake 3 is on uphone | 21:39 |
| pupnik | or it's a april 1 hoax | 21:39 |
| pupnik | maybe it's quake 2 with a q3 levelset | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | The record that they didn't want to provide driver support hardware with technical limitations? :P | 21:39 |
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| pupnik | also 'it's not a game machine' | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N800 | True :), I guess i have to wait. But i am reluctant as I only got a n800 a few months back. | 21:41 |
| elb | fast is apparently relative | 21:41 |
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| elb | (for this mozilla browser) | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it ever not? | 21:42 |
| elb | it takes a MONTH to load | 21:42 |
| ||cw | pupnik: late for fools day, and it runs, but they aren't releasing it, they are doing a conversion project. probably get around the limitations like no right-click for alt fire or scroll wheel for weapons switch | 21:42 |
| lcuk | pupnik, have you heard back after accepting? | 21:42 |
| lcuk | elb, if you leave it on your windows sill for 30 minutes your browsing experience will be faster | 21:43 |
| elb | scrolling is smarter than microb | 21:44 |
| elb | and double-click to zoom is nice | 21:44 |
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| flo_lap | re | 21:45 |
| qwerty12_N800 | elb, how much space does it roughly take? i have 11mb free woot :( | 21:46 |
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| keesj | modest works really nice now with gmail imap. really worth trying again | 21:48 |
| elb | qwerty12_N800: the package file was 10MB ... let me query dpkg | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, I may get lucky, I'll remove mythtv, never got it to work anyway. Thanks. | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just boot from a card. :P | 21:50 |
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| elb | qwerty12_N800: claims 10MB installed, too | 21:51 |
| elb | I'm not sure I believe it ;-) | 21:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | My sd card is s*** :p, with 48hz kernel, io errors all the way. I actually damaged my sd boot partition | 21:51 |
| qwerty12_N800 | elb, lol, thanks | 21:51 |
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| elb | qwerty12_N800: yeah it totally lied -- it's over 25MB here | 21:53 |
| elb | the 'minefield' package shows up as 76k installed or some crap ... but it's huge | 21:53 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Hehe, i have 32mb free now :), more useful to me than mythtv | 21:54 |
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| KotCzarny | yawn | 21:54 |
| whooper | hey guys | 21:55 |
| whooper | i have a 770-- what would you reccomend I do with it and a 2gb rs-mmc? | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | install 2008he for fun | 21:56 |
| whooper | what else? | 21:56 |
| whooper | id like to try and dual boot, too | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | FBReader, Canola, Maemo Mapper and mplayer. | 21:56 |
| whooper | speaking of canola-- i installed it on os2006 and the yt plugin-- when i try to use it, it crashes! | 21:57 |
| whooper | any idea how to fix? | 21:57 |
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| KotCzarny | is there flash on 2006? | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | erm. | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | scratch that | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | it uses mplayer | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | check if your mplayer works | 21:58 |
| kenne | whooper, try running it from the terminal (as user) | 21:58 |
| kenne | like 'canola -vvvv' | 21:58 |
| whooper | i cant right now, i sent it in for repair yesterday ..; | 21:58 |
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| whooper | but when i get it back (probably a new one) what would be the best things to install-- i.e. killer apps? | 22:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, mind if i ask you what configure options did you use to build mplayer with v4l. I tried --enable-tv-v4l2 (something like that) and i got make errors. | 22:00 |
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| KotCzarny | i think i haven't enabled anything in particular | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | just a ./configure and make | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | can you pastebin.com the errors? | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'm away from computer :9 | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/9/) | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | it can be anything from missing headers to some lines needing fixing in the code | 22:02 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks :), is there a way to try out v4l support without connecting a webcam? It may already be enabled. | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | you have a webcam in n800.. | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:03 |
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| KotCzarny | download my mplayer and just run with a proper args | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | that's the fastest way to try :) | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I'm trying to test the build I made :) | 22:04 |
| * qwerty12_N800 is searching for args | 22:04 | |
| whooper | is it possible to run the adnroid on 770? | 22:04 |
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| KotCzarny | qwerty: search for a line i have suggested for pupnik :) | 22:06 |
| ]-[andful_of_not | whooper : the 2006 is really complicated to use with today's software : / | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | KotCzarny, okie :), I tried mplayer-v4l -cache 128 -tv driver=v4l:width=420:height=240:outfmt=i420:device=/dev/video1 -vc rawi420 -vo xv tv:// but i need to enable tv support :/ | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s/mplayer-v4l/mplayer | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N800 | s//dev/video1/dev/video0 | 22:07 |
| konttori | GA: Well, I really don't remember how fast chinook version was. I just tried the ferret browser and compared it side by side with another device running microb. | 22:08 |
| konttori | and microb was much faster | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | That means Diablo's MicroB is also significantly faster than Chinook's. | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: video1 ? | 22:09 |
| konttori | did you try ferret? | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | search for my line :) | 22:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | i did /s/video1 video0 :p | 22:09 |
| elb | the fennec install put up by vladimir is slow as mud | 22:09 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :) | 22:09 |
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| rm_you | KotCzarny: you have a forum thread for your mplayer? | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: -tv driver=v4l2:width=320:height=240:device=/dev/video0 | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: no i think | 22:13 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks! | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | but there's a http server for it | 22:13 |
| rm_you | koo | 22:13 |
| rm_you | PM me that? | 22:13 |
| rm_you | i gotta run now | 22:13 |
| rm_you | what exactly are your patches? | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/ | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | no patches because i didn't do anything special | 22:14 |
| rm_you | ah | 22:14 |
| rm_you | so.... | 22:14 |
| rm_you | it's just a build of mplayer? | 22:14 |
| rm_you | what's different from the official build? | 22:14 |
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| rm_you | gah, needz to go | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | i have enabled gst (which is buggy on 2008 hence disabled) and tv, also i have built mencoder | 22:15 |
| rm_you | :) | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | but it's all based on .25 | 22:15 |
| rm_you | kk i will check it out later... | 22:15 |
| rm_you | and possibly ask you again as i really have to run | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:16 |
| rm_you | and this is going to be scrolled off my log window by the time i get back | 22:16 |
| rm_you | BBL | 22:16 |
| * rm_you RUNS to work | 22:16 | |
| qwerty12_N800 | hmm, my build is based on rc2 :) | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | no problems | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | you have google | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | right? | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | that' why i have answered on public channel | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:16 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | "MPlayer was compiled without TV interface support." - says it all, i have to look into why it is compiling with errors with tv on in the morning | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N800 | :), v4l1 is obsolete right? | 22:20 |
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| KotCzarny | you won't benefit from v4l1 because camera on n8x0 is exposed as v4l2 device | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:20 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Thanks, kernel has it disabled too. I know Bundyo's rc2 build has tv working. | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I've only made a few changes compared to that though. | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | is it? | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | i believe i ran mplayer/mencoder with tv mplayer on a stock kernel | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I mean v4l1 is disabled in my kernel :), unless i misunderstand you | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | ah, ok | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | i was thinking about v4l2 | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:24 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Has anyone tried compiling with radio support? | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I tried the fmradio xmms plugin but I wouldn't hear anything. | 22:26 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:29 |
| dougt | has anyone used GDK_AXIS_PRESSURE to discover the touchscreen pressure of a gtk event? | 22:29 |
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| hrw | morning | 22:31 |
| KotCzarny | that's japan? | 22:32 |
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| hrw | KotCzarny: ? | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | morning | 22:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:32 |
| hrw | ~morning | 22:32 |
| infobot | Good morning! | 22:32 |
| hrw | heh.. no apt/ibot/dpkg here | 22:32 |
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| mgedmin | dougt: no, but if you're looking for working source code, grep in the fbreader tree | 22:38 |
| mgedmin | also, don't trust the value too much | 22:38 |
| dougt | thanks. the microb source is what I am looking at. | 22:39 |
| mgedmin | there were long threads and ugly workarounds mentioned on the fbreader mailing list | 22:39 |
| * dougt nods | 22:39 | |
| mgedmin | apparently the hardware itself sometimes has trouble distinguishing thumb presses from stylus events | 22:39 |
| dougt | hildon has specific helpers | 22:39 |
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| dougt | hildon_button_event_is_finger | 22:39 |
| mgedmin | as a user I've given up a long time ago and no longer even try to use finger presses | 22:40 |
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| mgedmin | fwiw the hildon_button_event_is_finger is half of the solution, iirc the other half is to indicate that your widget wants to get the pressure information via some sort of event mask | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | I'm fuzzy on the details | 22:42 |
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| dougt | mgedmin: so, i can get pressure data if I use X directly. | 22:45 |
| dougt | that seems to work fine, but I don't process X events in my application | 22:45 |
| mgedmin | um... ? | 22:45 |
| mgedmin | what does your app do then? | 22:46 |
| dougt | i mean. | 22:46 |
| dougt | it is a Gtk Application | 22:46 |
| dougt | i setup callbacks, ect | 22:46 |
| dougt | i am not doing while(1) { XEventsQueued(), xnexevent...} | 22:47 |
| dougt | mgedmin: http://test.maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_UseTouchscreenPressureData | 22:47 |
| dougt | ^^ this more or less works fine. | 22:47 |
| dougt | you get different values depending on how hard you strick the display | 22:47 |
| mgedmin | Gtk is the way to process X events :-) | 22:47 |
| dougt | exactly!! ;-) | 22:47 |
| mgedmin | well, gdk is the part of gtk that abstracts X for you, afaiu | 22:47 |
| dougt | i want to do something like: | 22:48 |
| dougt | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/399787 | 22:48 |
| mgedmin | right | 22:49 |
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| mgedmin | dougt: does it work then? | 22:50 |
| dougt | no. | 22:50 |
| mgedmin | if not, then maybe you also need to call gdk_input_set_extension_events on the window where you're registering your button callback | 22:50 |
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| dougt | maybe you can't get pressure data on a button? | 22:51 |
| dougt | that is an idea. | 22:51 |
| * dougt tries. | 22:51 | |
| mgedmin | you can get it anywhere, but you need to indicate that in advance, IIRC | 22:51 |
| mgedmin | which is where the set_extension_events suggestion comes from | 22:51 |
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| mgedmin | google also gives me this example for PyGtk: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtktutorial/sec-addingxinputsupport.html | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | xinput is the mechanism for passing pressure information from input devices to applications | 22:52 |
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| mgedmin | this was the first google hit for "gdk pressure" by the way | 22:54 |
| dougt | cool, that did it. | 22:54 |
| dougt | but.... | 22:55 |
| dougt | the values are all fucked up. :-) | 22:55 |
| dougt | there is no consistency. | 22:55 |
| dougt | (thanks mgedmin for googling!) | 22:55 |
| mgedmin | http://www.fbreader.org/docs/tapControl.php talks a bit about the pressure values on n8x0 | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ok, sorry for sounding like a broken record but is enabling tv equal to enabling v4l2 support in mplayer? Quick answer is all I need :) | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer says it wasn't compiled with tv support | 22:59 |
| dougt | perfect | 23:00 |
| dougt | mgedmin: thanks. | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I mean when compiling :), basically is "tv" the only way to use v4l2 in mplayer. | 23:00 |
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| hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/n800-qemu.png | 23:00 |
| hrw | more tomorrow | 23:00 |
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| G7KES | Hello, does anyone know how to get the ogg mediaplayer to be the default app for ogg files to that it doesn't ask me what I want to use to open the ogg file every time? | 23:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | look into pipeline's dbus-switchboard. or as media player is built in app, editing defaults.list may be all that is needed | 23:04 |
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| G7KES | Ah, defaults.list. I shall hunt that down. Thanks very much. | 23:05 |
| G7KES | Gotta go for a fire drill now, but back in a while :-) | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N800 | /usr/share/applications/defaults.list :) | 23:06 |
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