| lcuk2 | ok, ill monitor her closely | 00:00 |
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| KotCzarny | O.o | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | What if she's cute and knowledgeable? | 00:00 |
| rm_you | llol | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The perfect combination. | 00:00 |
| rm_you | cute + knowledgable == win | 00:00 |
| lcuk2 | cute, knowledgable, unattached - pick any two | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | wrong | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | she can outsmart you | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | what then? | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:00 |
| rm_you | luck2: usually >_> | 00:00 |
| rm_you | *lcuk2 | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sadly. :( | 00:01 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: throw in 'psychotic' | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | good point | 00:01 |
| lcuk | gahhh this thing wants me to type mumbo jumbo brb | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | thats better | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | You register your alts yet? :P | 00:01 |
| kenne | KotCzarny, yes | 00:02 |
| lcuk | lol what do you think.. | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | kenne: huh? | 00:02 |
| kenne | KotCzarny, but there is a #canola channel as well | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | ah, ok | 00:02 |
| * lcuk would rather close and reopen than have to remember some magic string | 00:02 | |
| kenne | "<KotCzarny> does canola devs come to maemo # ?" | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | kenne: what nicks should i watch for? | 00:02 |
| lcuk | god, what does that say about my console abilities ;) | 00:02 |
| kenne | go to #canola, that is easier | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | /msg nickserv identify <password> | 00:02 |
| kenne | everyone is there | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | FAIL FAIL FAIL | 00:02 |
| lcuk | void liqbook_read(char *bookname,int fontsize) not quite, i just save my typing for important stuff :P | 00:03 |
| oob | lcuk , rm_you - http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20031023 | 00:03 |
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| KotCzarny | that was rude | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | milfs are hot | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:04 |
| rm_you | heh | 00:04 |
| lcuk | :O double lol - at old uf and the strip itself | 00:04 |
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| * GeneralAntilles watches his marines get sodomized by lcuk's lurker. | 00:17 | |
| lcuk | i would never put the companion cube up there | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | what's companion cube? | 00:18 |
| lcuk | ask google :) | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | i'm afraid | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:19 |
| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_(video_game) | 00:19 |
| lcuk | don't be :) its from portal - the single best time waster ever to be released | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqQISNKWZSA | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | this one? | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Portal fails at being a time waster | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | way to short for that. :P | 00:20 |
| lcuk | short only if you think tetris is over because you have seen all the pieces | 00:20 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:21 |
| lcuk | i am in need of some down time (i basically havent stopped playing linux since christmas) | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The advanced levels helped | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, still, they need a community puzzle pack or something. | 00:22 |
| lcuk | ^^^ and yes, thats the best way to describe it | 00:22 |
| lcuk | they have | 00:22 |
| lcuk | theres many portal maps available in many places | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, they need a community puzzle pack for us stupid smucks with 360s. :P | 00:22 |
| lcuk | you need to get a proper computer then :P | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh | 00:23 |
| lcuk | :O gfs shop just been armed robbed | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Armed with what? | 00:24 |
| lcuk | thankfully they are k i think, police might have also caught them | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Knives? | 00:24 |
| lcuk | bang sticks :( | 00:24 |
| * GeneralAntilles wont comment on the UK's stupid legislation. | 00:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Glad she's OK. | 00:24 |
| lcuk | she stopped working nights because of this | 00:24 |
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| Jaffa | Portal's the best game ever, but as GA says: too short. I finished it in a weekend and want *more* | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | ep 3 = gordon and a portal gun | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thankfully there are real time wasters like Oblivion around. | 00:27 |
| lcuk | hopefully | 00:27 |
| lcuk | maemo is a decent game | 00:28 |
| * Jaffa bought the Orange Box for HL2 and Portal, and hasn't played much HL2 | 00:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, HL2 just isn't very exciting. | 00:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tactical shooters have kinda ruined the whole Quake-like FPS for me. | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/nov07/rubik.jpg | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 00:29 |
| lcuk | i actually prefer the generic cube over cc if i hadnt have found out about 810 in december i was gonna make one over xmas | 00:29 |
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| * lcuk is ashamed to say that lol | 00:30 | |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_newgd/tattoo_niki_both-legs.jpg | 00:31 |
| KotCzarny | lol2 | 00:31 |
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| fysa | TF2 is a nice middle-ground. | 00:50 |
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| pupnik | hl2 had some fantastic atmosphere | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | ufo! | 00:55 |
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| pupnik | what | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | atmosphere ;) | 00:56 |
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| KotCzarny | when i first went to mars | 00:56 |
| pupnik | x-com? | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | i thought i have fallen asleep | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | it was surreal | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:56 |
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| KotCzarny | nah | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | first part | 00:56 |
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| KotCzarny | i know it only as 'ufo' | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:56 |
| pupnik | ohhh HL1 | 00:56 |
| jobu | ufo defense? | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | on amiga | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:56 |
| jobu | oh | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | luckily i had 2.5mb already | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | so less dj'ing | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | TF2 is boring. | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I miss Red Orchestra | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now that was one hell of an FPS. | 01:00 |
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| lcuk | in the vmware image i have a console window which i open to do building from. its called "maemo scratchbox environment". now every time i open this it opens a xephyr window which i do not want and have to close every time. how do i remove it? | 01:40 |
| lcuk | (but keep the console) | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | copy whole scratchbox dir to your linux somewhere and run gfrom there? | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:41 |
| lcuk | ok - where do i copy it on my live cd? | 01:41 |
| lcuk | ;) | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | mount hdd in live cd | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | if you don't have hdd usb stick will do too | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | or even n8x0 connected via usb cable ;) | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | assuming you have ext2/3 partition | 01:42 |
| lcuk | but thats a bit extreme, i am kinda comfortable running in vmware, its lower resolution than i would like and it lags a bit, but the gameplay is fine | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:43 |
| megabyte405 | lcuk: the icon on the desktop goes to a script, just look in the script | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | i have never used vmware | 01:43 |
| megabyte405 | run something like /scratchbox/sb-login | 01:43 |
| megabyte405 | the script is in ~/scripts | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | /scratchbox/login is enough thank you | 01:43 |
| megabyte405 | KotCzarny: this is the maemo sdk vmware image - xubuntu with scratchbox and goodies installed | 01:43 |
| megabyte405 | crashanddie: couldn't remember offhand, just saw the q on my way out | 01:44 |
| lcuk | ty megabyte405 :) | 01:44 |
| megabyte405 | lcuk: np! | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | megabyte: but i think scratchbox tree can work between systems | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, create a new launcher, command: /scratchbox/login and check "launch in console" or something alike | 01:44 |
| megabyte405 | KotCzarny: if you like to keep your sanity, not really. Scratchbox requires some weird tricks when installing | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | maybe, i just ran the script | 01:45 |
| megabyte405 | to be honest, I've given up and just use the vmware, it's easiest that way | 01:45 |
| megabyte405 | that too | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | and i have working /mnt/sda7/scratchbox dir | 01:45 |
| megabyte405 | later all | 01:45 |
| crashanddie | my scratchbox is mounted on lfs, so i have the same deving environment everywhere I go, even over the internet, lfs through an ssh connection | 01:45 |
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| KotCzarny | as long qemu doesn't complain about host libs it's ok | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:46 |
| lcuk | BRUTAL! thanks all :) | 01:46 |
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| KotCzarny | who? | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | me? | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:46 |
| NullM0dem | :-) is this the right place for n800 / n810 hacking? | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | could be | 01:47 |
| crashanddie | NullM0dem, you think ? :P | 01:47 |
| NullM0dem | heh | 01:47 |
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| KotCzarny | trolls be here too | 01:47 |
| NullM0dem | just excited | 01:47 |
| ds3 | anyone try running "blueproximity"? | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | so beware | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:47 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, noooo, don't warn 'em aliens, they be dangerous | 01:48 |
| NullM0dem | getting ready to grab an n810 soon | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | get n800 | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:48 |
| crashanddie | NullM0dem, sweet :) | 01:48 |
| NullM0dem | i get them all :) | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | 810 is inferior to 800 | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | then get 810 wimax enhanced | 01:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:48 |
| NullM0dem | I just discoverd them | 01:48 |
| crashanddie | I got 'em both too :) | 01:48 |
| NullM0dem | 800 rules over 810? | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | I'm not convinced | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | but it depends on your views | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | and needs | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | exactly | 01:49 |
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| KotCzarny | i prefer 2 full size sd slots | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | but they're pretty equivalent | 01:49 |
| ds3 | and 790 rules over 800 ;) | 01:49 |
| NullM0dem | well i just want an internet tablet mp3 player/ that is hackable | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo, 790! | 01:50 |
| crashanddie | NullM0dem, if you don't need the GPS and keyboard, take the n800 | 01:50 |
| NullM0dem | im going to be buying a ts-7800 to use as a medi aserver | 01:50 |
| NullM0dem | ts-7800 is an arm based board | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | and if you don't need chic look of n810 | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | that is | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:50 |
| NullM0dem | ha | 01:50 |
| crashanddie | yeah, the n810's metal jacket is pretty sexy | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | that's the only thing i miss from 810 | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:50 |
| NullM0dem | http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800 | 01:51 |
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| crashanddie | though | 01:51 |
| crashanddie | I have to admit | 01:51 |
| NullM0dem | that baord will be a server in the home and i plan on just creating a webinterface for the n800 | 01:51 |
| crashanddie | it gets scratched pretty fast and doesn't handle greasy fingers well | 01:51 |
| NullM0dem | most haldhelds wont | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | nullm0dem: mmpd ? | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| NullM0dem | yes | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | then there's a client already | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | mmpc | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:52 |
| NullM0dem | custom wrappers | 01:52 |
| NullM0dem | ill check it out | 01:52 |
| crashanddie | NullM0dem, I'm talking 'bout the metal case of the n810 compared to the n800's plastic one | 01:52 |
| NullM0dem | Im a slut for metal casings :-P | 01:52 |
| NullM0dem | heh | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | metal slut | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 01:52 |
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| NullM0dem | I still have 2 ipaq 3975 handhelds | 01:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Eeeew WinMob :O | 01:54 |
| crashanddie | NullM0dem, if you don't look at the price tag, go for the n810, you won't regret it, if you don't need the extra features, go for the n800 | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, if you actually want to have some storage on your device, get the N800. ;) | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | micro-sd 32Gig ftw | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | crashanddie: depends on which extra features | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:55 |
| NullM0dem | I could care less about GPs | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those don't exist. | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | 2x 32gig full size sd ftw! | 01:55 |
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| NullM0dem | i do like the hardware keyboard | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, 16GB sub-SDs don't existt yet. | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, yet ! | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | crashanddie: they will be more expensive | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | much more | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | By the time Micro is up to 32GB, real SD will be 64GB or 128GB. ;) | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | unless something changes in the flash world | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | but i doubt it | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | though possibility exists | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | another question is, do you really need that much storage on an IT ? | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | yes! | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | well, I dunno | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | have you ever used maemo mapper? | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | I have a permanent 3G connection, and my servers at home are fine | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | 50KB/sec doesn't really cut it for video streaming. ;) | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus, there's the network overhead | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | I get more than 50Kb/s thank you very much :) | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can't play un-transcoded video over wifi. | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | PAN? OK, 100KB/sec | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still only 800Kbps | 01:59 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 01:59 |
| crashanddie | where do you live ? | 01:59 |
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| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:59 |
| crashanddie | southern mongolia ? | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those are bluetooth limits | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not network limits. | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're not getting 300KB/sec tethering to a Bluetooth phone with 3g. | 01:59 |
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| crashanddie | who said anything about bluetooth ? | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most people with permanent 3g tether. | 02:00 |
| koyote | KB or Kb? | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | KB | 02:00 |
| koyote | yall are using the two interchangeably. sloppy. | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | My units are all correct. ;) | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, I'm not. | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm using all of my units just fine, thanks. | 02:00 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 02:00 |
| koyote | now, streaming video cannot be done on 50KB/s | 02:00 |
| crashanddie | I never know which is which ? | 02:00 |
| crashanddie | care to enlighten me ? | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | koyote: youtube? | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:00 |
| koyote | crashanddie: B is byte b is bit | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | ok | 02:01 |
| koyote | I want to examine this statement | 02:01 |
| KotCzarny | byte == 8bits | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | byte = 8 bits | 02:01 |
| koyote | 50KB/sec doesn't really cut it for video streaming. ; | 02:01 |
| * MangoFusion takes a byte | 02:01 | |
| dieman_ | yay on modest being the email client in the future by default | 02:01 |
| koyote | I'm not sure I agree entirely here. | 02:01 |
| pupnik | i encode 400kB/s frequently | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | At any sort of quality. | 02:01 |
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| pupnik | kb/s | 02:02 |
| pupnik | argh | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 02:02 |
| koyote | well, now, see. | 02:02 |
| crashanddie | 50KB/s is like less than youtube quality | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | 400Kbps is really rather low for me. | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 02:02 |
| koyote | it is an 8 fold difference | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | k is for kilo | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | not K | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | ga is an idiot | 02:02 |
| crashanddie | hell, 50kB is 30kB less than youtube | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's, say, 304Kbps for video and 96Kbps for audio. | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Way too low. | 02:02 |
| crashanddie | which by any standards, suck | 02:02 |
| dieman | does the n810 have bluetooth 2.0? | 02:03 |
| dieman | i forget | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, dieman. | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, broadband got renamed to 700kbit lately | 02:03 |
| koyote | video bitrates for youtube are generally around 260kbps | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:03 |
| dieman | cool | 02:03 |
| pupnik | i can show you some 340kb/s nokia encodes i did in a minute | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, why are you talking about gsm? | 02:04 |
| dieman | nice ~2mbps | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | IT is going wimax | 02:04 |
| KotCzarny | and no gsm | 02:04 |
| dieman | i'm going to stick with GSM/HSDPA/LTE | 02:04 |
| dieman | and tether still | 02:04 |
| dieman | i go out to the netheregions from time to time | 02:04 |
| dieman | and dont want to have to pay for wimax + phone data | 02:04 |
| lcdd | would you say hsdpa with bluetooth is useless? | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | sooner or later wimax will be cheap alternative | 02:05 |
| dieman | i wont be able to wimax at the cabin, for instance :) | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | you can't do gsm in tubes/basement too | 02:05 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:05 |
| dieman | i already pay only $20 for EDGE service | 02:05 |
| dieman | heh, no tubes here | 02:05 |
| dieman | dont have that issue ;) | 02:05 |
| dieman | if we move into the basement at work we're going to get a AWS/PCS repeater installed | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, lcdd. | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially not with a PAN device. | 02:06 |
| dieman | is there a huge benefit with PAN devices? | 02:06 |
| dieman | faster data rates? better power consumption? | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | bt is power efficient by design | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | more than wifi | 02:07 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know how efficient is wimax | 02:07 |
| dieman | [ie: over DUN] | 02:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DUN is 50KB/sec, PAN is around 100-120KB/sec | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | dun song: dun dun dun dundun duuuun dun dun DUN! | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | (poor cliche of doom song) | 02:09 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 02:10 |
| crashanddie | thought it was the climax moment of a thriller | 02:10 |
| crashanddie | BT was never meant to be fast though | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | someone should tell ga that he is an idiot and don't know SI | 02:10 |
| crashanddie | ga , | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | and his units aren't ok, thank you | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | ? | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:11 |
| KotCzarny | GeneralAntilles | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | oh | 02:11 |
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| ds3 | hmmmm no one has tried blueproximity | 02:12 |
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| crashanddie | ds3, don't like the concept | 02:13 |
| crashanddie | ds3, my phone doesn't always stays in my pocket when I go away | 02:13 |
| crashanddie | ds3, I'd be pissed if I left the phone downstairs and can't unlock the computer | 02:13 |
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| ds3 | crashanddie: another use is to have a bluetooth beacon at home and use that to key off for stuff like switching back to home WiFi or starting a sync | 02:14 |
| NullM0dem | ill never use a cell | 02:14 |
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| crashanddie | ds3, I have a laptop, desktop, eeepc, n810... I don't even think my phone would support being connected to two of those at any given time, let alone all of them | 02:16 |
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| lcuk | ds3, you dont need bt to do either of those things. by connecting to your home wan you run the sync. why add an extra layer? | 02:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, +1 | 02:16 |
| * lcuk -1 Troll | 02:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | slashdot whore! | 02:17 |
| crashanddie | [lcuk] has 0 points (+1, -1 troll) | 02:17 |
| lcuk | apple hussy | 02:17 |
| lcuk | :P | 02:17 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 02:18 |
| NullM0dem | in soviet russia...... | 02:18 |
| crashanddie | apple/cat pie | 02:18 |
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| pupnik | applecat modem! | 02:19 |
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| ds3 | lcuk: okay, how do I get it to switch to the home W-LAN when I am there? | 02:21 |
| lcuk | auto connect | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | auto-connect is the suck | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | power syucker | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like it! | 02:22 |
| crashanddie | battery drainage ftw | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | ftl | 02:22 |
| ds3 | that doesn't work for me, it stays on the phone til I manually change it or move the phone away | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly because I'm usually in an area where I have wifi access. | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, spike your phone into the terrazzo when you walk in the door, you'll be set. :P | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | that's like the first time you play with your IT, you're like "wooaaa, awesome", then you install gmail notifier, and you come back the evening, and your battery's dead... And you're like "ok, well, better not tell this to my friends" | 02:23 |
| lcuk | ok, rewrite the drivers to autoconnect to ppecified adapters only | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:23 |
| ds3 | easier to get blueproximity working and just have a bluetooth beacon at home | 02:23 |
| lcuk | we do have the source for the drivers...don't we? ;) | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | some | 02:23 |
| ds3 | lcuk: I think I have complained about the lack of configurablity in the network managment stuff already | 02:24 |
| lcuk | yer :) | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4333 | 02:24 |
| KotCzarny | hah | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | doesn't blueproximity == searching for the bluetooth connection ALL THE TIME ? | 02:24 |
| lcuk | but if you run a monitoring daemon on the desktop you can get it running sync from that end | 02:24 |
| ds3 | crashanddie: something like that | 02:24 |
| lcuk | just whenever and however your device connects to your LAN it will be synced | 02:25 |
| lcuk | whether it be autoselection or connecting manually it will still occur | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | I don't see the point of syncing it everytime though | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | if you need to sync your portable device EACH TIME, you have a design problem | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | like medialibraries | 02:26 |
| ds3 | no, just once when I get home | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | and metalayer-crawl | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:26 |
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| ds3 | or maybe once at 0400 daily if I am connected to the home network | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | I might write a anti-theft app though | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, wonder if alarmd would help? | 02:27 |
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| crashanddie | for the n810, that is | 02:27 |
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| crashanddie | whenever it connects to the internet, check with a server if its been stolen or not | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, if you stick to a fairly regular schedule, alarmd + dbus to change networks would work pretty well. | 02:27 |
| crashanddie | if it has, activate gps, and send gps info to the server | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | and mugshots! | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't forget the mugshots! | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | what, with camera , | 02:28 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: I saw the post on ITT about that... I would still like to be able to be sure if I am at home, i am on the home network and not out via GPRS | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | ? | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course. | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | heh, what gps.. | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, note the "for the n810, that is" | 02:28 |
| ds3 | blueproximity to trigger the network switch and alarmd to fire off syncs at the right time should work | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | even on 810 | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | KotCzarny, the gps on the n810 is pretty good actually | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | despite what everyone says | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | i have seen mostly bad opinions | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 02:29 |
| derf | I have never seen it work. | 02:29 |
| ds3 | i suppose i could it in reverse..let up a bluetooth listening service on the N800 side and have the home PC poke it when it sees it in range | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | but that's the thing with opinions | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | people who like it don't bother giving their opinions | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it's because of location | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | some places are better for fixing | 02:30 |
| ds3 | but then is there a way of forcing a network change via DBUS? | 02:30 |
| crashanddie | people who are pissed about it are flaming their ass off | 02:30 |
| derf | I left it sitting out all night... never got a fix. | 02:30 |
| derf | My BT GPS got a fix in under a minute. | 02:30 |
| derf | Guess which one I use. | 02:30 |
| crashanddie | ds3, there is an option to never connect automagically to phone connections | 02:30 |
| ds3 | crashanddie: that doesn't help. I want it to use the phone when I am away | 02:31 |
| crashanddie | derf, I get a fix under 3 minutes right under a thermal windscreen | 02:31 |
| ds3 | all they really need is some kind of network priority system in the network manager. if a higher priority network is seen, use it | 02:31 |
| crashanddie | ds3, it chooses wifi over phone connection | 02:31 |
| ds3 | crashaddie: right, but the choices are made only if there is no current connection | 02:32 |
| pupnik | derf, that's unusually bad experience - are you in between buildings? | 02:32 |
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| crashanddie | Hell, I just got a fix IN MY HOUSE | 02:32 |
| pupnik | you live in a yurt? | 02:32 |
| crashanddie | I'm about 6 feet from the window | 02:32 |
| crashanddie | I'm right under the roof though | 02:33 |
| crashanddie | though, they should optimize the gps | 02:33 |
| NullM0dem | i used to live in a yurt :-) and a tepee | 02:33 |
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| crashanddie | it seems it does a cold boot every single time | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | and a bunghole? | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:33 |
| derf | pupnik: No. | 02:34 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 02:34 |
| crashanddie | 1.30 here | 02:34 |
| crashanddie | and oral exam tomorrow | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 02:34 |
| crashanddie | its english, so you be fine though | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | wow | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | it's english, so should be fine though | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | wish you luck on that exam ;) | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | heh | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | always a good thing to make typos on a sentence implying you have an exam xD | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:36 |
| crashanddie | though, I have to admit | 02:36 |
| crashanddie | oral exam economy was a bitch | 02:36 |
| pupnik | crashanddie must be in europe | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | economy is a lie | 02:37 |
| crashanddie | so that's why the teacher kept saying "economy is a piece of cake" | 02:37 |
| crashanddie | CUZ THE CAKE IS A LIE | 02:37 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, hey, figured that from the timezone, einstein ? | 02:38 |
| crashanddie | anyway, cheers everyone | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:38 |
| pupnik | no, just oral exams | 02:38 |
| pupnik | comparatively rare in the states | 02:38 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 02:39 |
| crashanddie | well | 02:39 |
| crashanddie | economy is one, english is two, only 3 two go | 02:39 |
| crashanddie | to | 02:39 |
| crashanddie | djeezus | 02:39 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I'm tired | 02:39 |
| crashanddie | bye | 02:39 |
| pupnik | p/ | 02:39 |
| KotCzarny | nigt night | 02:39 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:42 |
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| KotCzarny | http://lonelymachines.org/images/posters/liberty.jpg | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:50 |
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| elb | that quote is not actually about the availability of arms, as much as the mentality of the American people as perceived by Yamamoto during his time at Columbia | 02:59 |
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| elb | (Columbia doesn't sound quite right, now that I've said that; it was one of the East Coast universities) | 03:00 |
| oob | harvard | 03:01 |
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| elb | there you go | 03:01 |
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| KotCzarny | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080402/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/the_military_s_gas_war | 03:13 |
| KotCzarny | ehehehe | 03:13 |
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| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/stamp.jpg | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/tmp/FAIL.jpg | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:29 |
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| NullM0dem | thats funny | 03:37 |
| NullM0dem | I used to send mail that way, but i lived in the sticks. the nearest PO was 20 miles away | 03:38 |
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| oob | burt reynolds wouldn't carry your mail downstream in his canoe? | 03:44 |
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| NullM0dem | haha | 03:47 |
| NullM0dem | were do you get burt reynolds form | 03:48 |
| NullM0dem | from | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | from hollywood | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | of course | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:53 |
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| dospod | hey | 03:59 |
| tsukasa | hmm new portable device based on omap3530 coming out soon for $330 | 04:00 |
| tsukasa | sounds like its not horribly expensive | 04:00 |
| tsukasa | the omap3530 that is | 04:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pandora, you mean? | 04:00 |
| tsukasa | yeah | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | The OMAP3 isn't really any more or less expensive than the OMAP2 | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll believe it once it actually hits production. ;) | 04:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | For now, it's mostly just a bunch of hot air. | 04:01 |
| tsukasa | i dont suppose these processors are transplantable | 04:01 |
| tsukasa | stick one in a n800 | 04:01 |
| lcuk | not really, they have to pull something out with atom on the horizon | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | They WERE targeting $300 | 04:01 |
| lcuk | its a race to the floor | 04:01 |
| lcuk | cheapest wins | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardly, lcuk, best efficiency wins. :P | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | (within limits) | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the Atom aint there yet. | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | tsukasa, of course they're not | 04:02 |
| tsukasa | didnt think so :< | 04:03 |
| lcuk | this nokia is nowhere near as efficient as my old loox was - although i basically do the same on it i have to have it plugged in at night to last | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | aside from the obvious issue of lacking a socketing-system. | 04:03 |
| tsukasa | theres a socketing system | 04:03 |
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| tsukasa | its called solder and wired | 04:03 |
| tsukasa | s | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not socketing. :\ | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still, semantics aside, the pinouts are most certainly different. | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Linux isn't even running on the OMAP3s yet. | 04:04 |
| tsukasa | they should slap a solid state fan on one of those things and boost up the clock speed | 04:04 |
| tsukasa | really?! | 04:04 |
| tsukasa | how does that work | 04:04 |
| tsukasa | linux runs on everything | 04:04 |
| KotCzarny | tsukasa: what about battery life? | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not 100% | 04:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Follow the omap-linux list if you want details. | 04:04 |
| tsukasa | KotCzarny, thats what usage profiles are for | 04:04 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe | 04:04 |
| KotCzarny | but if i want to play i start my desktop | 04:05 |
| tsukasa | long plane flight, boot up some crash bandicoot | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/linux-omap-open-source/ | 04:05 |
| tsukasa | or something | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | my laptop does 4-6h on standard battery | 04:05 |
| tsukasa | its also several times larger | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | while watching movies | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | not that much | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | it's an ibm x32 | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | 12" | 04:06 |
| tsukasa | ugh | 04:06 |
| tsukasa | waste of technology | 04:06 |
| tsukasa | too small to be productive, too large to be portable | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | it's both productive and portable for me | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | you want bigger screen? you hookup second monitor | 04:06 |
| tsukasa | sure if you have tiny fingers and dont mind your eyes dying in 5 years | 04:07 |
| lcuk | or sit closer | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | tsukasa: ever used thinkpads keyboard? | 04:07 |
| tsukasa | KotCzarny, no, but theres a size limit to 12" keyboards | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | tsukasa, then try it | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | it's keys are FULL size | 04:07 |
| KotCzarny | and layout is perfect | 04:08 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: how about 225dpi? *grin* | 04:09 |
| lcuk | 400*480 per eye isnt to be sniffed at ;) | 04:09 |
| lcuk | and i swear its the size of a skyscraper | 04:09 |
| KotCzarny | it's not the pixels, it's the real size | 04:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:09 |
| KotCzarny | real -- visible | 04:10 |
| lcuk | speaking of eyestrain, its time for bed | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | go go | 04:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:13 |
| lcuk | gnite | 04:13 |
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| Ziegler | Im having a bit of trouble locating a repo for libpcap... Any suggestions? | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | gronmayer.it ? | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | or whatever it was called | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:58 |
| Ziegler | Ok... Let me give it a look over | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | ah. .com | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | you can always compile it yourself too | 04:59 |
| Ziegler | Thanks | 04:59 |
| Ziegler | Looking for a shotcut first | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 05:00 |
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| Ziegler | When using app manager... When ever i list the aps.... "Updating" takes place for a long time. Any thought? | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | how many repos you have? | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a bug? | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Possibly fixed in Diablo. | 05:03 |
| Ziegler | 5 repros | 05:04 |
| Ziegler | Well 6 now... | 05:05 |
| Ziegler | Bug for sure? | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a broken behavior | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a bug. | 05:06 |
| derf | Run apt-get update from the command line. | 05:06 |
| derf | It actually tells you what it's doing, and actually gives useful error messages. | 05:06 |
| b1ackD3ath | how hard would it be to get netbsd on the n810 | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, Application manager has a log file. | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | b1ackD3ath, doesn't NetBSD even have an armel port? | 05:06 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: See, I didn't even _know_ that. | 05:07 |
| derf | Which shows you how useful it is. | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Menu: Tools -> Log | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, it really depends on your use-case and background. ;) | 05:07 |
| Ziegler | Hmm | 05:07 |
| derf | And a log file doesn't tell you where it paused waiting for some server to connect. | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | app-manager is beta class software anyway | 05:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not useful for YOU, but that doesn't mean it isn't useful for people who have no command-line experience. | 05:07 |
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| derf | Unless it's timestamped... | 05:07 |
| derf | But that seems like a lot of reading. | 05:07 |
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| b1ackD3ath | GeneralAntilles yeah ur right it does not | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, I usually don't have issues with slow servers. I have issues with servers timing out. | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | b1ackD3ath, if you really want a full-OS sort of deal, Debian's armel branch is the best. | 05:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 05:08 |
| b1ackD3ath | thanks | 05:09 |
| derf | I seen plenty of servers that will "connect"... and then never send any data. Probably due to poor "transparent" proxy implementations. | 05:09 |
| sandyang | :P | 05:10 |
| b1ackD3ath | GeneralAntilles that looks like fun , cuz right now i have a dual boot, so0o i have xfce on 1 and kde on the other | 05:11 |
| Ziegler | Can i past a line in here? | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | How long is the line? | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rule of thumb, if it's over 5 lines long, use pastebin. | 05:12 |
| Ziegler | Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | close app-man | 05:12 |
| Ziegler | It is | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is Application manager open? | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | check for errors in dmesg | 05:13 |
| Ziegler | One sec | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | for read-write errors | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It shouldn't be if you're trying to run apt-get update | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | You also need to be root. | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which means installing something like easyroot from nitapps.com | 05:13 |
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| Ziegler | Have root.... All thats in dmsg is : [ 7500.179687] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | that's power saving | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I say again, is Application manager open? | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | check ps ax, or just reboot | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:15 |
| Ziegler | Let me ps.. | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it or is it not? | 05:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's a GUI application | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be dead easy to tell. | 05:16 |
| Ziegler | Gui is dead... Dont see anything that stands out with ps | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | then reboot | 05:17 |
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| Ziegler | Ok...brb | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | it's easier than trying to debug all the cases | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:17 |
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| derf | Congratulations Nokia, you've made Linux feel like Windows. | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, app-man should die in hell | 05:18 |
| derf | It could be worse. | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Windows doesn't have ANY package management. | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | msi | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | and ga is an idiot | 05:18 |
| derf | Maemo could be yum-based. | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | no, rpm is worse | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | deb is ok | 05:18 |
| * elb boggles | 05:18 | |
| KotCzarny | it's the gui that's br0ken | 05:18 |
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| Ziegle1 | :- | 05:20 |
| Ziegle1 | :-) | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | better? | 05:21 |
| Ziegle1 | Ya... Thanks... | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | maybe some app hanged | 05:21 |
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| KotCzarny | while trying to update those repos | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | that would explain /var lock | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | *hung ? | 05:21 |
| Ziegle1 | Well... Been trying all afternoon to get kismet on the n810 working.... I could have done a number of things | 05:22 |
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| Ziegle1 | any of you running it? | 05:26 |
| * KotCzarny not yet | 05:26 | |
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| Ziegle1 | Hehe | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | i should put shpongle on my nokia | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:27 |
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| pupnik | shpongle is awesome | 05:30 |
| pupnik | 'nude on the moon' is one of my favs | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | never heard this one | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | what album? | 05:31 |
| pupnik | don't remember | 05:31 |
| pupnik | they started out with a trippy tiki-lounge style, then did some trance/goa, then i lost track | 05:31 |
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| KotCzarny | and once i know you like shpongle, what else is similiar? | 05:31 |
| pupnik | a vast library of 60s lounge/exotica | 05:32 |
| pupnik | let me think | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer trance/goa | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | trippy in general | 05:32 |
| pupnik | we may be thinking of different shpongle albums | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | i have 2 | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | are you shpongled and nothing lasts | 05:33 |
| KotCzarny | oh, and tales of the inexpressible | 05:33 |
| KotCzarny | and some bootleg which is very nice too | 05:34 |
| pupnik | i need to do some data recovery :( | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | np | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | i need to take a shower anyway | 05:35 |
| pupnik | ah sorry | 05:36 |
| pupnik | i confuszled shpongle with 'tipsy' | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | but you know shpongle? | 05:36 |
| pupnik | yes | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:37 |
| rektide | sphongle is a gread band | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | one in a kind | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:38 |
| rektide | Vast is also a good kind of rockish similar band actually | 05:38 |
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| KotCzarny | http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | interesting | 06:02 |
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| lopz | hi | 06:04 |
| lopz | how install xhcat on nokia n800+OS 2008 ? | 06:05 |
| lopz | s/xhcat/x-chat | 06:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lopz, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 06:08 |
| lopz | GeneralAntilles, thanks ;) | 06:08 |
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| KotCzarny | who got splitted | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:14 |
| T0b0tras | we? | 07:15 |
| T0b0tras | :) | 07:15 |
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| KotCzarny | people on clarke. server | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:15 |
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| Ikkakujyu | My mail, hopefully. | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:21 |
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| KotCzarny | estimated shipping date? | 07:21 |
| Ikkakujyu | Tomorrow. | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 07:21 |
| Ikkakujyu | Paid the extra 10bux. | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | install sdk in the meantime | 07:21 |
| Ikkakujyu | I'm a Zaurus veteran so I hope it works out :D | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | it's few hundred megs | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:22 |
| Ikkakujyu | Actually, I forgot to check if it's got a Mac version. | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | and unless you're point&click user you will need it sooner or later | 07:22 |
| Ikkakujyu | I have Debian on here, too, though. | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | intel mac? | 07:22 |
| Ikkakujyu | Ja. | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | then vmware | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | i mean vmware image | 07:23 |
| Ikkakujyu | That too. Though Debian+GNOME+Compiz -almost- has what it takes to make me switch. | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | wobbly windows get bored sooner or later | 07:23 |
| * KotCzarny runs on fluxbox | 07:23 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:23 |
| Ikkakujyu | Honestly the only thing holding me back is two-finger scrolling, which is much better on OS X :| | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 07:24 |
| Ikkakujyu | I turn the wobbly windows off. I just use it for the dropshadows and the Exposé -like features. | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | mhm | 07:24 |
| tsukasa | two fingered scrolling is okay | 07:24 |
| tsukasa | the right side scrolling is okay too | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | scroll wheel is what works for me | 07:25 |
| Ikkakujyu | The thing about the two-finger scroll, though, is it works both horizontally and vertically. | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | it can be considered one fingered scrolling | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | mhm | 07:25 |
| Ikkakujyu | So I can scroll a large image in circles. | 07:25 |
| Ikkakujyu | Very addictive. | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:25 |
| tsukasa | and pointless | 07:25 |
| tsukasa | =P | 07:25 |
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| KotCzarny | not pointless | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | natural | 07:26 |
| Ikkakujyu | Also, Safari scrolls by pixels rather than lines of text, so it's a lot smoother than Firefox. | 07:26 |
| tsukasa | not all of us use tiny laptop screen KotCzarny ;) | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | ikkakujyou: install smpoothwheel extension | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:26 |
| tsukasa | mine has >5 pixel width | 07:26 |
| Ikkakujyu | KotCzarny: Hmm, you make a compelling point. | 07:26 |
| tsukasa | no need for horiz scroll | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | tsukasa: even on big screen you can start working on big images | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | 5pixel width? | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 07:27 |
| tsukasa | 12 | 07:27 |
| tsukasa | 12" screen* | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | you mean inches | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:27 |
| tsukasa | if im working on images i use my dual 24" | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | see? | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i don't like 15" laptops | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | not so portable | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | as one would like | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:27 |
| tsukasa | KotCzarny, i think you need a better laptop bag | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | and you still have to use external big screen | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | tsukasa: i hate laptop bags | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | all i use is backpack | 07:28 |
| tsukasa | thats what i use too | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | and 12" form factor is just perfect | 07:28 |
| tsukasa | lol small backpack | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | no | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | 15" would fit too | 07:28 |
| Ikkakujyu | 13". | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | but it will be heavy | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:28 |
| KotCzarny | also | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | inflight fun | 07:29 |
| tsukasa | 15" MBP is super light | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | unless you fly 1st class | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | you will notice that 12" is better than 15 | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | especially when person before you leans back | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:29 |
| tsukasa | KotCzarny, http://www.jinx.com/other_swag/other/jinx_logo/jinx_laptop_backpack.html?catid=21 | 07:29 |
| tsukasa | KotCzarny, what i use | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | tsukasa: i use samsonite | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | *i'm using | 07:30 |
| tsukasa | meh, samsonite has put out some bags im not a fan of | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | i have one that i use for many years now | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | i was looking at pro-dlx | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | quite nice | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | simple, yet featurefull | 07:31 |
| Ikkakujyu | Need ta get one of the laptops with solar panels on itl | 07:31 |
| Ikkakujyu | s/itl/it./ | 07:31 |
| infobot | Ikkakujyu meant: Need ta get one of the laptops with solar panels on it. | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | ikka: wait for power cells | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | be it hydrogen or nuclear ;) | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | solar panels are good for devices <15W | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | more like 1W | 07:32 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:32 |
| Ikkakujyu | Actually, might that be enough for the N800? I know you can run a Zaurus off of a hand-crank dynamo. | 07:32 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:32 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 07:32 |
| KotCzarny | it has 1.5Ah battery | 07:32 |
| KotCzarny | and it lasts 3-4h at full cpu usage | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | and 10days at idle | 07:33 |
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| Ikkakujyu | Hmm, I'll have to see how well it plays MP3s with musicpd :D | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | try with sdk | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:34 |
| Ikkakujyu | Exactly. | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | you can run most apps with it | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | tsukasa: this backpack is too big for my taste :) | 07:35 |
| tsukasa | -shrug- | 07:35 |
| tsukasa | as long as its light | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | still covers too much of the back | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | summer is hot in nyc | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.luggagepros.com/mpb/IID10342.shtml?zmam=6548955&zmas=1&zmac=22&zmap=IID10342 | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | i like simple designs | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:36 |
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| tsukasa | shaped kinda gay | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:37 |
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| tsukasa | KotCzarny, i live in texas. it gets alot hotter here than nyc | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 07:38 |
| Ikkakujyu | SoCal here :P | 07:38 |
| tsukasa | its called AC fool | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | tsukasa: not when you need to get out | 07:38 |
| tsukasa | car? bus? | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | and one doesn't wear backpack in the house | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | usually | 07:39 |
| Italodance | JI :D | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:39 |
| * tsukasa need a n800 | 07:39 | |
| tsukasa | needs* | 07:40 |
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| * KotCzarny got n800 for 150$ | 07:40 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:40 |
| tsukasa | where at? | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | craigslist | 07:40 |
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| KotCzarny | and new one s 190$ | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | *is | 07:40 |
| |thunder | kot, where ? | 07:41 |
| |thunder | mine was 230 | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | i believe i have seen some on froogle | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | haven't actually checked how legit were those sites | 07:41 |
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| KotCzarny | lol, http://www.simsimgate.com/cell-phones-pdas/nokia-replica/nokia-n800-style-cell-phone-mobile-phones-with-256mb-card/prod_946.html | 07:43 |
| tsukasa | ! | 07:43 |
| |thunder | 180$ | 07:43 |
| tsukasa | is that legit | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | it's a fake | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | not an n800 | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | 320x240 | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:44 |
| |thunder | http://www.google.com/products?q=nokia+n800&btnG=Search+Products&scoring=p&lnk=pruser&price1=150&price2=600&btnP=Go | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | the cheapest new is 205 then | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | for now | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:45 |
| |thunder | http://www.google.com/products?q=nokia+n800+-navigation&btnG=Search+Products&show=dd | 07:45 |
| |thunder | thats better | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.despercia.com/nokia-n800.html?utm_source=Froogle&utm_medium=Comparison+site&utm_term=Nokia+N800&utm_campaign=Nokia+N800 | 07:45 |
| KotCzarny | shipping 0, not bad | 07:46 |
| |thunder | ya, free shipping is nice | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | and located in nyc | 07:46 |
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| hrw | morning | 07:57 |
| KotCzarny | midnight | 07:57 |
| hrw | ;D | 07:57 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: u mnie 7 rano jest | 07:58 |
| KotCzarny | spox | 07:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:58 |
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| hrw | ok - I have a stupid question | 07:58 |
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| KotCzarny | there are no stupid questions | 07:58 |
| KotCzarny | only stupid answers | 07:58 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:58 |
| hrw | do I need more then usb a-a gender changer for n810 usb host or do I need to replace standard cable with otg one? | 07:59 |
| KotCzarny | with unmodified cable you need to switch usb mode by hand | 07:59 |
| hrw | no problem it is then | 08:00 |
| hrw | cool | 08:00 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 08:00 |
| hrw | now I only need to find time for getting gender changer | 08:00 |
| KotCzarny | gender bender | 08:00 |
| hrw | and then will write another 'feel the power of usb' post | 08:00 |
| hrw | old one was: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/04/19/feel-the-power-of-usb/ | 08:01 |
| hrw | now I have more hubs | 08:01 |
| KotCzarny | and remember that you only have 100mA in host mode | 08:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:01 |
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| hrw | KotCzarny: I have powered hubs ;) | 08:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:02 |
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| hrw | in worst situation I will be out of power supply units for them | 08:10 |
| KotCzarny | good atx psu | 08:11 |
| KotCzarny | and a bunch of connectors | 08:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:11 |
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| KotCzarny | dc power ftw! | 08:11 |
| hrw | lack space for it | 08:11 |
| KotCzarny | it's because all of those ac-adapters ? ;) | 08:12 |
| hrw | no | 08:12 |
| KotCzarny | just kidding | 08:12 |
| hrw | my desk has only 70x140cm | 08:12 |
| hrw | keyboard, laptop, lcd panel with stand, miniitx mainboard, mouse, some papers and out of space reached | 08:13 |
| KotCzarny | you can keep atx psu below | 08:13 |
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| hrw | did I said that I have space under desk? | 08:16 |
| hrw | :) | 08:16 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 08:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:16 |
| KotCzarny | under ceiling then? | 08:16 |
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| hrw | ;) | 08:17 |
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| hrw | I think that it is time for first coffee | 08:18 |
| hrw | 07:24 means 4h since wakeup | 08:18 |
| * KotCzarny had only 2 coffees in the whole life | 08:18 | |
| hrw | I need to buy yerba mate... | 08:21 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:21 |
| KotCzarny | green tee with lemon | 08:21 |
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| tsukasa | holy fuck | 08:46 |
| tsukasa | the atom processor is -really- tiny! | 08:46 |
| tsukasa | http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3276&p=5 | 08:46 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 08:47 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | they use pvr chip too? | 08:49 |
| tsukasa | pvr? graphics? | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | i'm looking at comments | 08:50 |
| tsukasa | the article is a good read | 08:51 |
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| KotCzarny | interesting, fight for mhz changed into fight for lowest power usage | 08:52 |
| tsukasa | well the fight for mhz is still very much active, amd is just crippled right now | 08:53 |
| tsukasa | especially going into nehalem.... intel is copying amds memory architecture | 08:53 |
| tsukasa | its a kick in the pants | 08:53 |
| tsukasa | intel uses some interesting tradeoffs in atom though | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | heh, good enough [tm] paradigm | 08:54 |
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| tsukasa | KotCzarny, | 09:17 |
| tsukasa | http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3276&p=19 | 09:18 |
| tsukasa | thats sexy | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | now | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | run that omap at 1.6ghz plzthx | 09:18 |
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| tsukasa | nah | 09:19 |
| tsukasa | omap is good, but after a few iterations intel will take the lead | 09:19 |
| tsukasa | x86 is a major advantage since everything already runs on it | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | not really | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | and everything is more like: m$ windows runs on it | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | it's linux that runs on everything | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | nearly | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:20 |
| Ikkakujyu | And NetBSD does the rest. | 09:21 |
| tsukasa | yeah but half the world runs on windows | 09:21 |
| tsukasa | i hate to say | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | tsukasa, which half? | 09:21 |
| tsukasa | i dont support it, but its still a factor when it comes to proc adoption | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | btw. i don't dismiss intel's new cpu | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | but i simply don't like 'hey! we have something new! and it's almost as good!' | 09:22 |
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| tsukasa | yeah | 09:22 |
| tsukasa | but i support intel in their endeavor. it brings more competition to the field, while putting their resources away from enthusiast cpus | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | i use intel | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | i use arm | 09:22 |
| tsukasa | which amd desperately needs | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | i use powerpc | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | and amd too | 09:23 |
| tsukasa | ugh ppc ftl | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | tsukasa: actually b&w mac sits in the closet | 09:23 |
| Ikkakujyu | More like PPC ftw. | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | but it's only a matter of taking it out :) | 09:23 |
| Ikkakujyu | Your Xbox, your Wii, and your PS3 are all PPC devices :P | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | xbox is ppc? | 09:23 |
| Ikkakujyu | Xbox360. | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | not x86? | 09:23 |
| Ikkakujyu | That's why it needs software emulation for Xbox classic titles. | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | nice to know | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | and no one hacked macosx onto it yet? | 09:24 |
| tsukasa | er.. | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:24 |
| tsukasa | 360 has the development platform that works between winblows and 360 seamlessly | 09:24 |
| tsukasa | i dont think its ppc... | 09:25 |
| jaska | 360 is ppc | 09:25 |
| Ikkakujyu | .NET allows cross-platform development. | 09:25 |
| tsukasa | strange | 09:25 |
| jaska | custom one tho, three in-order cores iirc | 09:25 |
| Ikkakujyu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_%28processor%29 | 09:25 |
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| tsukasa | haha | 09:27 |
| tsukasa | intel has its sights set on the n800 with menlow | 09:28 |
| tsukasa | according to their powerpoint slide | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | water moose | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:28 |
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| KotCzarny | Update: Imagination Technologies has announced that Intel uses the PowerVR SGX graphics core and the VXD HD video engine. | 09:37 |
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| KotCzarny | Despite the implementation of a C6 power state, Atom will still lose to ARM based processors in both active and idle power. The active power disadvantage will be erased over the coming years as the microarchitecture evolves | 09:42 |
| KotCzarny | yeah. | 09:42 |
| KotCzarny | they will get there, some day | 09:42 |
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| tsukasa | yup | 09:44 |
| tsukasa | like i said, it needs to go through a few iterations | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | but where will be arm by then? | 09:44 |
| tsukasa | depends if they get their shit together or not | 09:44 |
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| tsukasa | honestly i see little difference between the arms in the ipaqs a few years ago and the arms today | 09:45 |
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| KotCzarny | and if our civilization will end in this solar cycle | 09:45 |
| tsukasa | or smaller difference then what i would expect rather | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | i don't work for arm, so i can't comment on that | 09:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:46 |
| tsukasa | so can the n800 do video chat with skype yet? | 09:47 |
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| KotCzarny | nope | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | camera sucks anyway | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:47 |
| tsukasa | what are they waiting for, more power? | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | maybe more money | 09:47 |
| tsukasa | skype has plenty of money | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | never enough | 09:48 |
| Cptn-N800 | Someone should make an igo without that fucking sleep mode | 09:50 |
| Cptn-N800 | :/ | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | you can ping the kb | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | hcitool or hciping | 09:51 |
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| KotCzarny | don't remember | 09:51 |
| Cptn-N800 | If i start typing while its sleeping it ends up disabling all desktop apps | 09:51 |
| Cptn-N800 | Manually or automatically? | 09:51 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 09:52 |
| Cptn-N800 | If ping keeps the thing from sleping, something that autopings it every once in a while could work | 09:52 |
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| KotCzarny | l2ping | 09:54 |
| KotCzarny | that's the tool | 09:54 |
| Cptn-N800 | Nice, ill look into it | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | huh. | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | canola is.. unstable. | 09:57 |
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| Cptn-N800 | How? | 09:57 |
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| KotCzarny | i have played some songs and then it just hung | 09:58 |
| Cptn-N800 | Lol | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | ie. i have tried to select another song and it hadn't reacted | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | going to main menu worked though and exited normally | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | also shuffle mode is buggy | 09:59 |
| Cptn-N800 | Oh? | 09:59 |
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| KotCzarny | play some songs from a dir | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | change to another | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | and it won't play whole dir | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | only few songs | 10:00 |
| rm_you_ | i've never had problems with canola2 | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | maybe enabling repeat would help | 10:00 |
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| KotCzarny | rm_you: have you used 'browse by dir' ? | 10:01 |
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| rm_you | why would i? | 10:01 |
| rm_you | it indexes everything by artist / album >_> | 10:01 |
| KotCzarny | that would work if the files had proper tags | 10:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:01 |
| KotCzarny | i'm too lazy to go over all my files | 10:02 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i use bbd mode | 10:02 |
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| ds3 | g | 10:03 |
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| KotCzarny | off topic but interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7326097.stm | 10:05 |
| KotCzarny | "The energy released in these explosions is phenomenal; about two billion times the annual world energy consumption in just a fraction of a second. | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | and we're talking about mere 2W for atom processor | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:06 |
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| tsukasa | hmm i was watching a video of the n800 | 10:10 |
| tsukasa | seems laggy in app switching and web loading | 10:10 |
| tsukasa | although im sure it was reviewed when it just released | 10:10 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know why archos is shown for portable video | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | n8x0 is better suited :/ | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | last time i have seen archos 704 decoding divx quality was similiar to original pentium chips vs pentium mmx enabled | 10:14 |
| Cptn-N800 | I want a cowon q5tw | 10:14 |
| Cptn-N800 | *Q5w | 10:14 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 10:15 |
| KotCzarny | 24bit screen? | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | erm. windows ce? | 10:17 |
| * KotCzarny shrugs | 10:17 | |
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| Cptn-N800 | Its cowon | 10:19 |
| Cptn-N800 | Means nothing can match it on audio and video | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | i disagree | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | and it's rotating drive based (good and bad) | 10:20 |
| Cptn-N800 | Some players can match the flat eq sq, but if you use eq you need cowon | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | with zif-ata though (bad) | 10:21 |
| Cptn-N800 | Yea im not fond of hard drives | 10:21 |
| doc|home | meh, but it's windows | 10:21 |
| doc|home | many years ago I swore to never again give those bastards a penny of my hard-earned money | 10:22 |
| Cptn-N800 | I use a 2gb cowon d2 now, with 16gb sdhc card. | 10:22 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/04/cowon-q5w-gets-reviewed-needs-work/ | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 10:23 |
| Cptn-N800 | Yeah | 10:23 |
| Cptn-N800 | though engagdet is generally useless | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | it all cuts down to personal views | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | be it mine, their or yours | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | as long you enjoy the gui | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | it's ok | 10:24 |
| doc|home | and they recommend the archos, which in short, is a nickle and dime effort | 10:24 |
| Cptn-N800 | Lol gui doesnt really interest me. Over focus =on gui is why the n8xx isnt more popular and why ipods are | 10:24 |
| doc|home | it's not the gui, it's where the money for the gui is going :) | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | cptn: gui meaning os, functionality etc | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | usability in general | 10:25 |
| Cptn-N800 | Ah | 10:26 |
| Cptn-N800 | Os is another matter | 10:26 |
| Cptn-N800 | Unfortunately both cowon pmps run wince | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | i see it as a whole | 10:26 |
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| KotCzarny | you use it for something, then it's easy and intuitive for you or not | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | and that's it | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:26 |
| Cptn-N800 | Double the cpu and triple the ram of the n800 and id be happy | 10:27 |
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| KotCzarny | all flame wars could be avoided if people remembered there as many personal needs as people themselves | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | for ram, one can use swap | 10:28 |
| Italodance | mplayerplugin is for what? for internet video player? | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | for cpu, hum, optimization | 10:28 |
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| Cptn-N800 | There are still fanboys. Like some ipod users | 10:29 |
| Italodance | ? | 10:29 |
| Cptn-N800 | Optimization? | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | using available resources | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb already made stock mplayer very fast on IT | 10:29 |
| Italodance | ALL GUYS MUST INSTALL : http://www.bundyo.org/maemo/midori/libsexy_0.1.11-1_armel.deb :D | 10:29 |
| Italodance | libsexy is free :D | 10:29 |
| Cptn-N800 | Spamzor | 10:30 |
| KotCzarny | and people work on speeding up browser | 10:30 |
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| KotCzarny | that cowon sells for 600$ ? | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 10:38 |
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| KotCzarny | at least in 12/2007 | 10:38 |
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| KotCzarny | anyway, selling point of n800 (for me) was linux | 10:40 |
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| KotCzarny | i like to tinker with software | 10:40 |
| rm_you | yeah, i bought it for open source / hackability | 10:40 |
| rm_you | hackability == flexibility | 10:41 |
| rm_you | also as a media player :P | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:41 |
| rm_you | basically, what i wished my old Zaurus SL-5500 could be | 10:41 |
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| jaska | yeah, mines mainly for hackability and something to run ssh on, larger screen than my wince cellphone | 10:42 |
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| rm_you | <3 portable wifi SSH handheld | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | ssh i hacker's tool! | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | *is | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | and hackers are evil, as you may know | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | </irony> | 10:44 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:44 |
| rm_you | i'm a hacker :( | 10:44 |
| * rm_you kries] | 10:44 | |
| * rm_you doesn't want to be evil | 10:44 | |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 10:45 |
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| KotCzarny | the only cure for you is to run win 95 on dosbox then | 10:45 |
| rm_you | how would that make me *not* a hacker, then? :P | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | you won't be able to do anything with that | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:45 |
| rm_you | but getting that working would be a feat of hacking by itself :P | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | but once you have done it, you're castrated, in a way | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:46 |
| rm_you | ... and then you vclose dosbox :P | 10:46 |
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| rm_you | and you see your terminal again :P lol | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | only if you break your promise | 10:47 |
| rm_you | ... or it crashes! ^_^ | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | erm. | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | well. | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | that's a possibility | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | but it will take long time | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | to crash | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:47 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny> that's a possibility | 10:47 |
| rm_you | s/possibility/probability/ | 10:48 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: KotCzarny> that's a probability | 10:48 |
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| Italodance | hello rm_you :D | 10:48 |
| rm_you | sup :) | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | someone ran win95 on n800, booting alone took 30min | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:48 |
| Italodance | KotCzarny yes and slow too | 10:48 |
| Italodance | win on linux! | 10:49 |
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| KotCzarny | hum | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | that zaurus have very short battery life.. | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | *has | 10:50 |
| rm_you | yes lol | 10:50 |
| rm_you | the battery on every one i know of is now unusable >_> | 10:50 |
| KotCzarny | pity | 10:51 |
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| Italodance | pupnik are u there? | 10:54 |
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| Italodance | ok | 10:55 |
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| Italodance | pupnik jaggedalliance2 has sound? | 11:06 |
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| Lynoure | Italodance: the original did, a lot. The talking was the best part. | 11:08 |
| Italodance | Lynoure what are stuffs for pack? | 11:12 |
| Italodance | infact what i need? *.pak and....? | 11:12 |
| Lynoure | Italodance: I don't understand the question. Had mine on cd, never tried on maemo | 11:13 |
| Lynoure | It had major problems with alsa, sadly, so last I tried it the sounds were choppy :/ | 11:13 |
| Italodance | oh i got u i need the original | 11:13 |
| Italodance | can it be fullscreen? | 11:14 |
| Lynoure | The source is out there nowadays, I think. | 11:14 |
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| hrw | re | 11:33 |
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| TuxProbe | hiya - im trying to pop up the context menu (while holding pen down) in my own app.. but - i dont get the signal :-/ | 11:52 |
| TuxProbe | does anyone know how to connect button-press-event or something like that in the Gtk app? | 11:53 |
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| lifeinlinux | hi | 12:11 |
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| lifeinlinux | #leaving | 12:20 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:22 |
| lardman | anyone use a Kingston micro to mini SD adaptor? | 12:23 |
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| lardman | ok, next question, is there any difference between a standard micro SD to mini SD adaptor and one which comes with an SDHC card? | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I have a Sandisk 4GB mirco SDHC in my N95. Let me put it in my N810 to test. | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | I have a micro->mini adaptor too.. | 12:29 |
| lardman | thanks | 12:29 |
| lardman | I have a 4Gb Sandisk micro SDHC, but my no-name adaptor doesn't work | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | Ok, works like a charm. | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | And I got my adaptor from ebay from hong kong.. | 12:31 |
| lardman | ah, I was wondering about one of those | 12:31 |
| lardman | then again I can just buy a Kingston 1GB card + adaptors for about the same money | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | My adaptor says Sandisk on it, but I doubt that it is real ;) | 12:31 |
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| lardman | :) | 12:32 |
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| lardman | I borrowed a real Sandisk one from a mate and it certainly doesn't work | 12:32 |
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| * lardman wonders why that might be | 12:32 | |
| X-Fade | Let me check what I payed for it. | 12:32 |
| lardman | e.g. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Micro-SD-T-Flash-to-Mini-SD-Card-Adapter-Converter-v4_W0QQitemZ190211107313QQihZ009QQcategoryZ18871QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 12:33 |
| lardman | hmm, I was just in Singapore, I should have picked up a few enroute | 12:34 |
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| X-Fade | Yep something like that. It was just a few euro. | 12:35 |
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| X-Fade | Can't find it anymore in my ebay history.. | 12:35 |
| lardman | X-Fade: not to worry, i think I'll get the Kingston card anyway, a bit more storage etc. | 12:35 |
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| * lardman crosses fingers that it works | 12:35 | |
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| X-Fade | But at least it works. And it also works with my Kingston 1GB micro sd in that adaptor. | 12:35 |
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| lardman|afk | X-Fade: yeah but I can't be sure I'll get the same one | 12:37 |
| lardman|afk | or get it at all! | 12:37 |
| lardman|afk | :) | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | Are there active components in those adaptors? | 12:37 |
| X-Fade | Isn't it just a rewire thing? | 12:38 |
| Spakman | does anyone know if powertop is available for the internet tablets? | 12:41 |
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| X-Fade | Spakman: I don't think it isn't. What good would it do? | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | Do you want to analyze wake-ups? | 12:42 |
| Spakman | X-Fade: do you mean it | 12:43 |
| Spakman | 's not available? | 12:43 |
| Spakman | X-Fade: yes, I'd like to monitor wakeups | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | I haven't seen it at least. | 12:43 |
| Spakman | X-Fade: no worries, thanks. I think I know the source of the problem with my app (and can probably test another way). | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | Spakman: Maybe strace it? | 12:44 |
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| Spakman | X-Fade: aye, I'll try that now :) | 12:46 |
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| opendeep | previously I installed maemo 3.2 Bora on my linux system | 13:16 |
| opendeep | now I am installing chinook ,in a new sytem | 13:17 |
| opendeep | I observed some of the steps are not there in chinook installation ,like installing Nokia EUSA licensed binaries..why so | 13:21 |
| opendeep | Is it upgradation of maemo 3.x or not? | 13:22 |
| opendeep | can anybody help me | 13:22 |
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| opendeep | hello megabyte405 | 13:24 |
| opendeep | did you read my question? | 13:25 |
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| Jaffa | Morning all | 13:49 |
| wom- | morning | 13:50 |
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| * Jaffa should probably /quit shortly since I'll be busy and mostly disconnected over the next few days. | 14:37 | |
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| giskard | hi * | 14:50 |
| giskard | do you know if there is a wifi radar for n810 which display in real time the wifi signal? | 14:50 |
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| Jaffa | There's a kismet port, but is radar really the right term as there's no directionality? Or are there really cool apps on other platforms which track signal strength to display physical relationships? | 14:55 |
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| giskard | Jaffa, i mean something that tells me where a signal come from | 14:57 |
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| msh_ | that sounds physically difficult. | 14:58 |
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| msh_ | you could wander about and try to triangulate I suppose. though that's hardly realtime. | 14:58 |
| giskard | msh_, something that read hte signal level | 15:00 |
| hrw | giskard: to know where signal is from you need 3 points of measure... | 15:00 |
| liri | is it possible to use glade's xml files for pygtk applications to the n8x0? | 15:00 |
| hrw | liri: should be with python-glade | 15:00 |
| liri | right | 15:00 |
| hrw | but not tested | 15:00 |
| liri | hmm, I see | 15:00 |
| giskard | hrw, i don't need the exact coord but only the direction | 15:00 |
| hrw | giskard: signal level do not give you direction... there are walls etc which change it | 15:01 |
| giskard | hrw, true | 15:01 |
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| hrw | you rather can get list of WiFi devices + signal levels for networks | 15:02 |
| hrw | thats all | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | put your nokia inside a wok and walk round in a circle clowly and as long as you make the "ping" noise it will work | 15:11 |
| Jaffa | :) | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Heh, that would be a nice picture. :) | 15:12 |
| Jaffa | Some form of directional heuristics would be cool, even if almost entirely unreliabe | 15:13 |
| lcuk | if your gps is connected on 810 and you monitor signal strength every second whilst walking you should get triangulation pretty quickly | 15:13 |
| lcuk | even better if you are in a car | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | yeah, that'd be a good first pass | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | Some kind of colour graded isoline thingey | 15:14 |
| lcuk | or get multiple 810 devices at your extremities | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | translucent for each SSID with alpha inversely proportional to signal strength | 15:15 |
| lcuk | the problem is, signal strength does not alway fade equally with distance | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | and if you think in 3d you end up with an aliens type situation where the routers crawl around in the walls | 15:17 |
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| Jaffa | lcukk: true on the drop-off, but it'd still look cool ;-) | 15:19 |
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| giskard | ahaha | 15:27 |
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| spirytusick | 'lo | 16:50 |
| TheFool | hrw weren't you one of the openzaurus devs? Does your presence here mean you are working on Angstrom for the tablets or that you just own a tablet? | 16:54 |
| hrw | TheFool: I am one of OZ devs. I also was OZ release manager and leader. | 16:55 |
| hrw | TheFool: I have 770 and n810 | 16:55 |
| hrw | both under maemo | 16:56 |
| hrw | I lack time to test OE based distros on them | 16:57 |
| hrw | but would be good to do tht one day on n810 - it needs keymap probably. | 16:57 |
| hrw | lack of serial port connection suxx | 16:57 |
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| pupnik | there is a serial port | 17:00 |
| hrw | under battery | 17:00 |
| pupnik | are you seriously suggesting that they should put a serial port on the external case of such a device? | 17:01 |
| hrw | so you need to combine how to power device and how to connect to pcb test points | 17:01 |
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| pupnik | i'm just curious | 17:01 |
| hrw | pupnik: for me it could be anywhere inside of case but better reachable then few testpoints which require soldering to be used | 17:02 |
| pupnik | ok | 17:02 |
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| ||cw | hrw: it won't run on external power with the battery out? | 17:03 |
| hrw | ||cw: no boot without battery | 17:03 |
| hrw | and taking battery oout == shutdown | 17:04 |
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| ||cw | hm, 770's pins are not under the battery | 17:06 |
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| hrw | btw - does n810wme firmware leaked somewhere already or not yet? | 17:09 |
| lardman | ssvb: ping | 17:09 |
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| lardman | hrw: you asking because of texrat's comment on irc? | 17:10 |
| lardman | s/irc/itt | 17:10 |
| hrw | lardman: I do not read itt and I am curious | 17:10 |
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| jott | aren't those pins next to the usb a serial port (on n810)? or is this another usb port? | 17:11 |
| inz | jott, pins next to usb? | 17:12 |
| jott | i've got 4 pins next to my usb port (when taking of the battery case) | 17:12 |
| jott | under some kind of "L" formed hole | 17:13 |
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| inz | jott, there are more connectors beneath the battery | 17:16 |
| inz | jott, in a formation similar to one found in N800 | 17:16 |
| lardman | I saw Igor describe those somewhere... iirc | 17:17 |
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| jott | yes, i know but i'm just curious if this is usb/serial/jtag or something else ;) | 17:17 |
| jobu | do you need to go into dev mode on n800 in order to get it to boot off mmc? | 17:17 |
| lardman | jobu: you need to install a different bootloader | 17:18 |
| jobu | i've got the initfs from fanoush | 17:18 |
| lardman | jobu: that should be all you need afaik, though I always run in R&D mode so that may be necessary too | 17:18 |
| lardman | ah, that's what I read: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=163545#post163545 | 17:20 |
| jobu | i've been following several guides and each time i clone the system, the mmc card seems to get corrupted at some point | 17:20 |
| crashanddie | jott, that might just be the usb connector | 17:20 |
| lardman | jobu: I've not done it for a long time; I can't remember what had to be done | 17:20 |
| jobu | did you user os2008 busybox tar or get gnu tar? | 17:21 |
| lardman | hrw: phew, that took some searching. This is the hint I was talking about: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18634 | 17:22 |
| lardman | jott: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=163402&postcount=156 | 17:24 |
| hrw | lardman: he is nokia guy? | 17:24 |
| lardman | hrw: Texrat, yes | 17:24 |
| hrw | ~curse him | 17:25 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, him ! | 17:25 |
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| jott | so it might be a jtag port indeed?! still all speculations as it seems | 17:26 |
| lopz | hi | 17:26 |
| lardman | Igor is a Nokian though, so see his later posts in that thread | 17:26 |
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| lardman | Wasn't there a service manual floating around for the n800 anyway? | 17:31 |
| hrw | lardman: schematics only | 17:32 |
| lardman | hrw: might give some hints though, presumably the headers are named on there somewhere? | 17:33 |
| tank-man | jobu, what guide? i just setup my n800 last night to boot from mmc | 17:33 |
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| jott | i still wonder why there was no brave soul yet to do some pcb scans of the n810 .. (i lack of those "reconstruction skills without high probability of breaking") | 17:36 |
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| TuxProbe | Update: Packages for glibmm/gtkmm: These packages fix a nasty bug that will cause a crash when using Gtk::TextBuffer so everybody is encouraged to upgrade | 17:38 |
| hrw | lardman: where is serial port is known. where to get jig to connect to it is less known | 17:39 |
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| jott | i mean this http://www.kodawarisan.com/ guy disassembles the apple stuff even before turning it on | 17:39 |
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| lardman | hrw: fair enough | 17:40 |
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| enjahova | anyone have experience building tomoe here? | 18:32 |
| jobu | has anyone had problems with pqi sdhc cards? | 18:32 |
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| lardman | jobu: what's the problem? | 18:35 |
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| jobu | i'm wondering if my sd card is the problem lol | 18:35 |
| jobu | still trying boot off mmc | 18:36 |
| lardman | jobu: ah, your booting problem | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | only dmesg can tell | 18:36 |
| disq | anybody experiencing backlight problems with the n810? sometimes it responds (lights up from dimmed/off state) too late | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:36 |
| disq | it was immediate with the n800 | 18:36 |
| lardman | disq: I don't think mine responds at all | 18:36 |
| lardman | disq: to the light sensor that is | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | jobu: what's your partition layout on mmc? | 18:36 |
| jobu | # sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 | 18:37 |
| jobu | /dev/mmcblk0p1:1,16384,6 | 18:37 |
| jobu | /dev/mmcblk0p2:16385,,83 | 18:37 |
| jobu | /dev/mmcblk0p3: | 18:37 |
| jobu | /dev/mmcblk0p4: | 18:37 |
| jobu | on 4gb card | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | so vfat is there | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 18:37 |
| jobu | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15788 is what i'm following | 18:37 |
| disq | lardman: ah no not the sensor, just the coming out of dimmed/off state when you tap the screen and such | 18:38 |
| lardman | disq: I put that down to cpufreq not waking up fast enough | 18:38 |
| disq | it sometimes responds a few (one or two) seconds too late | 18:38 |
| lardman | hmm, that is slow | 18:38 |
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| mgedmin | I think I noticed that with my n800 as well | 18:38 |
| lardman | mine just feels a bit laggy | 18:38 |
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| lardman | cu tomorrow | 18:40 |
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| disq | the n800 is better, hardware changes? the n810 has a seperate chip to handle the rgb led without wasting cpu, maybe they also changed the lcd controller? otoh if they did, we wouldn't be experiencing fps/bandwidth problems just like n800 | 18:40 |
| disq | cya | 18:40 |
| Robot101 | same LCD controller afaik, its a different screen though | 18:44 |
| disq | then probably cpufreq. should test it out with different cpufreq settings | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | maybe some sleep state? | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | accidental clicks detector? | 18:45 |
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| disq | no, it wakes up eventually after just one click, just a little slow sometimes | 18:46 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 18:46 |
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| jobu | what makes me think the sd card might be dying is i format and check sectors filesystem ok before mount | 18:51 |
| jobu | clone system over and unmount | 18:51 |
| jobu | fsck it and there inode errors... | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 18:51 |
| KotCzarny | not necessarily dying | 18:51 |
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| KotCzarny | run badblocks to be sure | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | inode corruption may be caused by bad software too | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:52 |
| jobu | does that wipe data? | 18:53 |
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| KotCzarny | nope | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | unless you run it in read-write mode | 18:54 |
| jobu | kk | 18:54 |
| jobu | heh | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | but badblocks -sv /dev/something should be safe (umount first) | 18:55 |
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| KotCzarny | for non-destructive rw mode add -n | 18:56 |
| lcuk | lardman - lower the threshhold in the ondemand folder (it defaults to 80) and your entire machine feels more snappy - but it restores itself after a reboot | 18:57 |
| jobu | ya, it seems to be same thing as adding -c in mke2fs | 18:57 |
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| KotCzarny | jobu, but mke2fs destroys previous fs | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | badblocks checks and updates bb list | 18:58 |
| jobu | i ran -c option when i created partition | 18:58 |
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| lcuk | \:D hey kot btw | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | and it didn't show any errors? | 18:58 |
| jobu | oh well doesn't hurt to run again, half way done go! | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | hi lcuk | 18:59 |
| jobu | not that i noticed in log | 18:59 |
| * lcuk isnt really here and will infact be vanishing | 18:59 | |
| jobu | sorta off topic, anyone know a decent win32 hdd s.m.a.r.t. tool? | 19:00 |
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| KotCzarny | hdtune can show you those regs | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | and is nice for other things too | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | and small | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:01 |
| jobu | i'll try it out when i get home XD | 19:01 |
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| KotCzarny | doesn't support all vendors extension very well though | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | but basic params work | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:02 |
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| jobu | i just want to know what my drive is dying from lol | 19:02 |
| jobu | if it is just bad sectors i don't really care too much | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | for that it will do :) | 19:03 |
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| pupnik | Don't forget to celebrate ching ming tomorrow | 19:03 |
| jobu | what's ching ming? | 19:04 |
| jobu | only thing i know tomorrow is battlestar galactica heh | 19:04 |
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| jobu | bleh, still fails to boot from mmc | 19:15 |
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| KotCzarny | /dev/mmcblk1p2 960856 300928 650008 32% / | 19:19 |
| KotCzarny | worked for me | 19:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:19 |
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| jobu | >.< | 19:20 |
| jobu | did you use first or second os2008? | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | Linux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 #1 Sun Mar 2 12:08:11 EST 2008 armv6l unknown | 19:21 |
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| jobu | ok, that's 2nd | 19:21 |
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| jobu | i'm tempted to go out and get another sd card to test lol | 19:21 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you simply select wrong card at boot? | 19:22 |
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| jobu | nope, only 1 card in system | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | still fanoush's boot menu allows you to boot from nonexistent card | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:22 |
| jobu | so you install yours in the external slot? | 19:22 |
| jobu | ya but boot menu says non detected | 19:23 |
| KotCzarny | right now, yes | 19:23 |
| jobu | if there is no card in slot | 19:23 |
| KotCzarny | because i just wanted to see if it boots | 19:23 |
| jobu | heh | 19:23 |
| jobu | i put in internal fails boot off immc | 19:24 |
| jobu | i going to try clone with tar fanoush posted instead of busybox tar | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | maybe | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | try my trick then | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | before cloning do: | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | mkdir /tmp/something | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | mount --bind / /tmp/something | 19:25 |
| jobu | is that how you cloned yours? | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | then clone contents of that dir instead of mtdblock mounted one | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 19:26 |
| jobu | ok, i try that first lol | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | and i didn't cloned initfs contents | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | only --bind mounted / | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | so basically, mke2fs, mount --bind, copy binded contents, umount, done | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | also i have used mc instead of tar | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | though cp -a may work too | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:28 |
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| jobu | hrm, i prob shouldn't have run mke2fs with -c since already did badblocks oh well | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | -c does only read-test | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:30 |
| jobu | oh | 19:30 |
| jobu | if it says done: xxx does that mean there was xxx errors? | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | it will print block numbers one per line if found | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | for example: done: 123 | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | 123 | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | 124 | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | done: 125 | 19:31 |
| KotCzarny | also it will print summary at the end | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | 'bad blocks found: 0' | 19:32 |
| KotCzarny | or similiar | 19:32 |
| jobu | i guess i should have added verbose lol | 19:32 |
| jobu | i go check again after format | 19:33 |
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| wom- | canola doesnt support copy/paste? makes adding podcasts pretty hard :) | 20:02 |
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| fysa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oax-gDYHVxU | 20:02 |
| cmarcelo | wom-: with the 810 keyboard? it doesn't yet, we are working on it :-)... | 20:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just keep the slider closed and use the fullscreen keyboard? | 20:04 |
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| wom- | cmarcelo: ok, nice :) and yes in n810 | 20:06 |
| cmarcelo | wom-: for now you can try GeneralAntilles solution. | 20:07 |
| wom- | ok, thanks | 20:09 |
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| oilink1 | cmarcelo: are you developing canola2? | 20:38 |
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| oilink1 | would it be possible to integrate the mediaplayer internet-radio medialibrary to canola2? | 20:39 |
| cmarcelo | oilink1: yes, I'm one of the developers. | 20:39 |
| oilink1 | eg. it would be easy to add the radio channels | 20:39 |
| cmarcelo | you mean, using the radio channels from the default mediaplayer? | 20:39 |
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| oilink1 | cmarcelo: yes. there is the library which has tens or hundreds of the channels already listed | 20:41 |
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| oilink1 | and for the podcast part. nokia n95 podcast application has a nice feature to find the podcasts from the directory and also possibility to search the podcast feeds. that would be great with canola2 as well | 20:42 |
| wom- | does canola support vidcasts? | 20:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Of course, wom-. | 20:50 |
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| kenne | wom-, no, but i have it partly implemented | 20:55 |
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| cmarcelo | oilink1: nice. this also could be implemented as a plugin :-) | 21:00 |
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| oilink1 | cmarcelo: that would be great :) | 21:17 |
| legind | nice I just signed up for offsec 101 april 6th course | 21:21 |
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| jobu | i think i'm going to slap my n800 with a large trout | 21:26 |
| jaska | the fish might not appreciate | 21:26 |
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| jobu | dumb thing still won't boot off mmc =( | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Obviously you've done something wrong, then. ;) | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you're installing Debian or something | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just extend the rootfs onto one of thee cards if you really need the space. | 21:28 |
| jobu | tryign get omniorb on there | 21:28 |
| KotCzarny | jobu: be patient, i'm creating clone script | 21:29 |
| jobu | scratchbox doesn't like building it | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:29 |
| KotCzarny | omniorb? | 21:29 |
| jobu | and not enough space to compile on n800 atm | 21:29 |
| jobu | ya, omniorb corba package | 21:29 |
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| mib_4zsgi763 | hi | 21:38 |
| mib_4zsgi763 | exist's jdk for maemo? | 21:39 |
| KotCzarny | not even jre | 21:39 |
| mib_4zsgi763 | and javac? | 21:39 |
| KotCzarny | look for armel binary | 21:39 |
| KotCzarny | if you find one, then yes | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:40 |
| mib_4zsgi763 | tnx | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | but maybe there are some open source java compilers? | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | that can be built and installed on the device | 21:40 |
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| mib_4zsgi763 | send info about a good java compiler for maemo | 21:42 |
| mib_4zsgi763 | or about open source java compilers | 21:42 |
| mib_4zsgi763 | ? | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 21:42 |
| mib_4zsgi763 | links, info...about open source java compiler | 21:43 |
| mib_4zsgi763 | to build on my maemo | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | it was just a guess | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know if there's one | 21:44 |
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| cywiz | xmms for maemo? | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 21:51 |
| cywiz | exist's? | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | few versions even | 21:51 |
| cywiz | links? | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | also | 21:52 |
| cywiz | or more info | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | maemo.org | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | or if you want my version: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xmms/ | 21:52 |
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| KotCzarny | erm. sorry | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | whis one: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/dist/xmms/ | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | you will probably need gtk1/glib1/libmikmod installed too | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=xmms+maemo cywiz | 21:54 |
| cywiz | tanxs | 21:57 |
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| KotCzarny | jobu: still there? | 22:02 |
| jobu | yep | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=164628#post164628 | 22:02 |
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| KotCzarny | it's my cloning script | 22:03 |
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| KotCzarny | worked for me (i have checked it right now) | 22:03 |
| jobu | okies | 22:03 |
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| jobu | if i using ext2 should i just sub ext2 in for all the ext3? | 22:06 |
| * lcuk2 clones himself | 22:06 | |
| * lcuk clones himself | 22:06 | |
| KotCzarny | probably | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | also remove -j from mke2fs line | 22:06 |
| jobu | k | 22:06 |
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| KotCzarny | hi lcuk, wanna see my cloning script? | 22:07 |
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| lcuk | kot, just reading your script now :) is it full partition clone | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | and it booted all right | 22:08 |
| ||cw | isn't using a journaled fs on a flash card a bad idea? | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | ||cw: only with journal=data | 22:08 |
| ||cw | it's still double the writes | 22:08 |
| practisevoodoo | does anyone know if there is a list of mobile phones that are compatable with the n810? | 22:08 |
| ||cw | just not fo rhte data portions | 22:08 |
| lcuk | which filesys does the device boot from currently? | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | not any worse than vfat | 22:08 |
| jobu | jffs2? | 22:08 |
| ||cw | lcuk: internal, jffs2 | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | vfat keeps inodes in one place | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | ext2/3 disperses them | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | so vfat will wear out your flash FASTER | 22:09 |
| lcuk | but the wear leveling shifts data around | 22:09 |
| ||cw | yeah but wearlevling dispurses those anyway | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: built in flash | 22:09 |
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| KotCzarny | ||cw: only withing 4mb blocks | 22:09 |
| lcuk | so every now and then 8 mb of data gets switched around | 22:10 |
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| KotCzarny | it's not like, this block, move to ANY free block on the card | 22:10 |
| lcuk | ahhh well, will still happen with other filesystems | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | it's like: this block move to ANY free block within THIS 4mb section | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | practisevoodoo, pretty much any that work with DUN | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | most that work with PAN with a little 3rd party software. | 22:10 |
| lcuk | and have bluetooth | 22:10 |
| lcuk | or wifi i suppose | 22:11 |
| practisevoodoo | right, i have no idea what DUN is | 22:11 |
| lcuk | or wimax soon | 22:11 |
| lcuk | Dial Up networking - a data modem | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a Bluetooth profile. | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | usb-irda adapter? | 22:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:11 |
| lcuk | well if we are going that far, usb->serial :P | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | exactly | 22:12 |
| KotCzarny | there are possibilities | 22:12 |
| practisevoodoo | my contract is about to expire so i was looking going to go with new phone and then an n810 to compliement it | 22:12 |
| lcuk | practisevoodoo, depending upon where you live, if you have not got your 810 yet, check local telecomes and see if you are getting wimax rollout - if you are, wait and get the 810 - it doesnt need a phone at all then | 22:13 |
| practisevoodoo | i seriously doubt it, i am uk based | 22:13 |
| lcuk | wimax = wifi network data - but using cellular towers :) big large scale wifi | 22:13 |
| lcuk | manchester already has it | 22:14 |
| lcuk | so does milton | 22:14 |
| lcuk | and there is a list of about 30 cities | 22:14 |
| practisevoodoo | yeah but how long until luton | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810W is US-only for now. | 22:14 |
| lcuk | http://www.ispreview.co.uk/news/EkpukZZEVZBgbsCfXv.html | 22:15 |
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| ||cw | also rumored that you'll only be able to get it through wimax vendors | 22:15 |
| lcuk | practisevoodoo, dont know, maybe now is the time to find out :) | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | bbl | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no contract with xohm | 22:15 |
| ||cw | i know | 22:15 |
| * practisevoodoo is googling as fast as he can | 22:15 | |
| lcuk | lol | 22:15 |
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| ||cw | it won't be like cell phones, but you won't be able to order one from just anywhere | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | im not sure how far all this is along, but i know wimax talk is spreading rapidly and devices are coming out and luckiliy manchester is ahead | 22:16 |
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| lcuk | ||cw, sure you will - i can get the device from anywhere :) there is even talk of PAYG type service where when you connect it displays a login page - like the wifi in hotels and airports | 22:17 |
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| practisevoodoo | yeah i am failing to see any info on luton wimax dates so I am going to assume that if/when it happens it wont be for a while | 22:20 |
| ||cw | lcuk: I know that too... let me get the exact wording that started the rumor | 22:21 |
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| practisevoodoo | besides i should be fine with a 1gb web and walk package from t-mobile | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/01/hands-on-with-the-nokia-n810-wimax-edition/ | 22:23 |
| cywiz | I have upgraded my n770 to OS2007 | 22:23 |
| lcuk | ^^^ hourly/daily mention :) | 22:23 |
| lcuk | practisevoodoo, im not seeing much either, shame really | 22:23 |
| cywiz | and I go to change my language, and I got "Device Memory Full" | 22:24 |
| ||cw | bah, just "where ever wimax is avail" | 22:24 |
| practisevoodoo | i can get a viewty for free so i figured i would go for that and then combine with a n810 | 22:24 |
| cywiz | and not change the language | 22:24 |
| lcuk | practisevoodoo, when you are getting your phone, the best is to ask directly if it can operate as a 3g modem for the nokia: | 22:24 |
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| cywiz | and now? | 22:25 |
| ||cw | speaking up upgrades, does 2008HE for the 770 ceom with flash 9? | 22:25 |
| cywiz | what to change my language? | 22:25 |
| lcuk | just get the viewty for free and then see if it works - if not you aint lost anything | 22:25 |
| cywiz | no | 22:25 |
| practisevoodoo | unless it doesnt and then i have to get a replacement phone that does | 22:25 |
| lcuk | ||cw, 2008he is not considered stable enough for much of anything - i have heard its more a test than a working end user solution | 22:25 |
| cywiz | 2007HE | 22:25 |
| ||cw | what about 2007? | 22:26 |
| lcuk | oh that i dont know lol | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | i never had a 770 or 800 so have never even seen the older oses | 22:26 |
| cywiz | err: "Device Memory Full", and not change the language | 22:27 |
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| cywiz | what to change my language on 2007HE? | 22:27 |
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| lcuk | cywiz, check whether you have got any free space and if not, make some | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ||cw, if you've got an N8x0, you can copy it over. | 22:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They didn't license flash 9 for the 770, so you can't use it. | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I really like OS2008HE. | 22:28 |
| lcuk | i like 2008 as well, but they say on the download page that it is not stable | 22:28 |
| jobu | hum, maybe in config initfs wrong...dunno though | 22:28 |
| jobu | should i just select yes for everything? | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, have you used it? :P | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, jobu. | 22:29 |
| ||cw | I heard it was a different ABI | 22:29 |
| jobu | can i say no to dropbear since openssh already installed? XD | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not the pointt | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | dropbear will be on the initfs | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | so if you fubar your rootfs | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | you can run dropbear from the initfs to fix things. | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | with USBNet | 22:30 |
| cywiz | To change my language in 2007he? | 22:30 |
| jobu | fun stuff, reflash go! | 22:31 |
| cywiz | The error message appears: "Device memory Full" | 22:31 |
| cywiz | and not chnage the language | 22:31 |
| cywiz | jobu, reflash with the 2007he? | 22:31 |
| lcuk | cywiz, recommended actions: goto library: pickup American phrasebook, learn American. forget about changing language. eat donuts. ;) | 22:32 |
| jobu | naw, i trying boot n800 off mmc with os2008 | 22:32 |
| jobu | reflashing it to start from clean slate >.< | 22:32 |
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| practisevoodoo | grrr, everyone says pair with a compatable phone or compatable device no-one ever says which damn devices are compatable, stupid non-standard bluetooth | 22:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Most of them are, practisevoodoo. | 22:35 |
| lcuk | yer - i have an o2 ice 3g phone with super fast 3g data downloads inside the phone, but i cant get at them from my 810 | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Problems stem more from shitty phones with shitty firmware than from the NIT. | 22:36 |
| lcuk | the next time i replace my phone i am taking my 810 into the shop, choosing a nokia and making sure it works at fullspeeed before i leave | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it supports tethering, then it'll work. | 22:36 |
| lcuk | i can use the DUN profile but i get about 3k | 22:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a giant thread on ITT where people list working phones. | 22:37 |
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| practisevoodoo | ok iit, google suggests itt corporation | 22:40 |
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| practisevoodoo | inital teacher training | 22:40 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:40 |
| practisevoodoo | and itt defense electronics | 22:40 |
| lcuk | internettablettalk | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | practisevoodoo, if you don't want to think about it, then Nokia S60 handsets are a sure-thing. | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of the 3g N-series sets would make for a good combination. | 22:41 |
| lcuk | by the way, is there a difference between works (as mine can do) and works properly at full speed of the data connection between cell/tower | 22:41 |
| lcuk | if you are getting a nokia n series 3 g phone havent you just doubled the cost of the n810? | 22:42 |
| WorkingOnWise | what is the actual binary called that is the default browser, and on screen keyboard? I want to use KDE but also want to use the default keyboard and on screen keyboard. | 22:42 |
| lcuk | the idea is to get the cheapest compatible phone which has fast data | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, there shouldn't be. | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | WorkingOnWise, tablet-browser? | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, maybe | 22:43 |
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| WorkingOnWise | btw, I just gor 2 refurb Nokia 6555's from ATT on my new contract for free...I bet u can get them cheap off the shelf. | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | some people like the N95 + N810, though. ;) | 22:43 |
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| WorkingOnWise | gor=got | 22:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I've had good success with Samsung sets. | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, n95 is nearedamn nuff the top of the range phone from nokia - bit of an expensive modem | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure how well that translates to the UK | 22:44 |
| WorkingOnWise | I could just use Konqurer to browse around the file system and find it too, huh | 22:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm just throwing 'em out there. :P | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | i know gen :) but thats like specifically buying a porsche to tow your car | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, maybe, I don't recall seeing him specify that it would strictly be a modem, though. | 22:45 |
| anders_gud | pupnik: Thanks for the updated MyPaint package! | 22:45 |
| WorkingOnWise | the 6555 is a 3g gsm phone. Just dont think you'll have a good contact manager...the 6555's sucks. | 22:45 |
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| anders_gud | Can you post a link to a diff so I can update the one at my site? | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | DVB-H would be fairly awesome on the tablets once it gets going. | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | i hope the flash applet gets faster - then dvb-anything wont be needed - i can stream all the tv i need from many video sites :) bbc are primary targets - it looks amazing but its postcards at the moment | 22:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'm looking at maybe picking up a HAVA at some point, too. | 22:52 |
| lcuk | wont slingbox do that? or cant we get that running for now? | 22:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | slingbox doesn't work with the tablets. | 22:53 |
| lcuk | its available for the nokias running symbian though - ie its corporate blocking again | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | You mean, they don't think the tablets are a big enough market to make a port for them? :P | 22:54 |
| lcuk | but porting to linux is gonna be massive this year - eee elonexone atom blah blah blah | 22:55 |
| lcuk | olpc | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eee 9" ships with XP. ;) | 22:55 |
| ||cw | optionally | 22:56 |
| lcuk | or linux | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | infact, its linux or xp | 22:56 |
| ||cw | with less flash | 22:56 |
| lcuk | and more touch | 22:56 |
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| pupnik | anders_gud: painting right now :) | 22:58 |
| anders_gud | great! | 22:59 |
| pupnik | it's much, much, much better than anything else i've tried for 'charcoal sketching' | 22:59 |
| anders_gud | yes... | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i was using that physics thing for sketching last night :) | 22:59 |
| pupnik | still takes time to get used to | 22:59 |
| jobu | the eee? | 22:59 |
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| jobu | my bro got the ibm tablet and likes sketching on it | 22:59 |
| anders_gud | I haven't had time to fix the package | 23:01 |
| anders_gud | there is a preliminary Todo in the thread at itt | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | re | 23:02 |
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| anders_gud | the IBM tablet is out of reach for me, moneywise :-( | 23:05 |
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| anders_gud | seems nice though (wacom chip?) | 23:06 |
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| jobu | ya, supposedly detects angle and i forget how many levels of pressure | 23:06 |
| anders_gud | 255 I think... | 23:07 |
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| KotCzarny | -200 because of screen protectors ;) | 23:07 |
| anders_gud | good enough... | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | (just kidding) | 23:07 |
| KotCzarny | but it's an issue authors should have in mind | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | and users too | 23:08 |
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| anders_gud | issue? | 23:09 |
| pupnik | anders_gud: there's no diff - i just changed the control file | 23:10 |
| anders_gud | ok | 23:10 |
| pupnik | anders, unpack the .deb package with ar x $package.deb | 23:10 |
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| pupnik | then tar xzvf control.tar.gz | 23:10 |
| pupnik | and look in the control file | 23:10 |
| pupnik | section: user/other | 23:10 |
| pupnik | that's the change | 23:10 |
| anders_gud | deps ? | 23:10 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 23:11 |
| pupnik | dependencies are not changed | 23:11 |
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| pupnik | anders_gud: i'd like to get rid of the bottom status line in fullscreen mode | 23:11 |
| anders_gud | they are missing... | 23:12 |
| anders_gud | ok, i'll try.. | 23:12 |
| pupnik | unique311 was right, this is a much more useful app than mypant for sketching | 23:13 |
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| anders_gud | mtpaint? | 23:13 |
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| pupnik | mypaint being more useful for sketching than mtpaint | 23:13 |
| anders_gud | it's more like a editor.. | 23:14 |
| pupnik | ya | 23:14 |
| anders_gud | there is an another app "Gogh" python based have you seen it? | 23:15 |
| anders_gud | does not run on maemo yet, porting issues | 23:15 |
| pupnik | for sketching it is vital to have high speed | 23:16 |
| pupnik | i need to be able to turn off left brain and let stylus move where i want | 23:16 |
| pupnik | and i can't be proof-reading the sketch app to see if it followed my input correctly | 23:16 |
| pupnik | so i am doubtful that python has the speed | 23:17 |
| pupnik | even though some of mypaint is python | 23:17 |
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| anders_gud | It's simpler than mypaint, but has layers. | 23:20 |
| lcuk | python + gtk can use c compiled gtk user controls :) | 23:21 |
| elb | I fail to see why python should not be able to keep up with sketching | 23:21 |
| lcuk | its crap | 23:21 |
| lcuk | its very slow using native - even simple p2p lines | 23:21 |
| jobu | i'm ready to smash this dumb n800 lol | 23:21 |
| elb | no doubt one could implement a python application which couldn't -- but one could also implement an application in anything else which couldn't | 23:21 |
| lcuk | you do not have the direct screen access required | 23:21 |
| elb | there's no reason you can't wrap raw-er X11 calls if need be | 23:22 |
| lcuk | pupnik, you've seen pygtkeditor - that uses a compiled source editor - the editor itself is c whilst the main host app is python | 23:22 |
| elb | I'm personally a big fan of that method of application design | 23:22 |
| elb | Ousterhout got it right ;-) | 23:22 |
| lcuk | x11 isnt even close enough for my liking, nor is sdl but its better | 23:22 |
| elb | SDL is farther from the hardware than X11 when it's running on X11 :-P | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | jobu: why? | 23:23 |
| jobu | still no go | 23:23 |
| lcuk | actually its not - its the same distance :) to get as close as possible on this device you need to use xv and the yuv formats | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | jobu: do you have boot menu? | 23:24 |
| jobu | yep | 23:24 |
| elb | the input comes through X11, though | 23:24 |
| jobu | fails to boot from external mmc | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | where exactly does it fail? | 23:24 |
| lcuk | but its the databits for the screen that is important | 23:24 |
| jobu | and then boots to internal flash | 23:24 |
| jobu | that's the only indicator i have that it isn't working lol | 23:24 |
| elb | there's no reason for X11 to be too slow to keep up with a sketching hand | 23:24 |
| elb | this is more of that premature optimization ;-) | 23:24 |
| lcuk | input comes from multiple sources and x11 handles it very well however the interface to the screen is what is slow | 23:24 |
| jobu | all the steps up to that point give no indicator that there was a failure | 23:24 |
| elb | well, maybe the tablet's display is particularly slow; but in that case, I don't see why SDL would be faster | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | jobu: when it booted, do df | 23:25 |
| anders_gud | Blender has nice drawing capabilities too, but thats OpenGl | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | and tell me how much space you have on / | 23:25 |
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| jobu | / is still on mtdblock4 107mb free | 23:26 |
| lcuk | elb, sdl may not actually be faster than x but its written to obtain a surface perfect for drawing on with a stylus - x is geared towards calculated polygons | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 23:26 |
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| lcuk | ? | 23:27 |
| jobu | i'm beginning to think there is something i should have done that wasn't listed on any guide for booting off mmc | 23:28 |
| lcuk2 | hmmm i thought i closed this down | 23:28 |
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| KotCzarny | jobu, nope | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | all i did was installing fanoush initfs | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | and that clone.sh | 23:28 |
| jobu | i chose yes to everything when installing initfs | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | i may hacked some file on original rootfs though | 23:28 |
| jobu | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz the proper one to get? | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | i assume you have tried my script | 23:29 |
| jobu | yep, clones fine | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | humhum | 23:30 |
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| jobu | tried changing all ext2 and again with no changes and clean flash from beginning | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | actually | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | there may be something | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | can you try copying modules dir to new fs? | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | (ie. to the card) | 23:30 |
| jobu | k | 23:31 |
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| KotCzarny | to /lib/modules | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | etc. | 23:31 |
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| KotCzarny | that's the only difference i can think of | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | between my os and original one | 23:31 |
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| KotCzarny | but, heh | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | no | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | it's not that | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | because it's not even mounted at the boot time | 23:32 |
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| dMaggot | hi, I' | 23:32 |
| darx | is there any other usable distro for n800? | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Debian, sorta | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | mamona not really | 23:33 |
| dMaggot | hi, I'm interested in using OpenSSH client on Maemo (Nokia N800) | 23:33 |
| darx | i'm getting tired of hildon | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | PokyLinux definitely not. | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | darx, KDE is an option. | 23:33 |
| dMaggot | but I have no xterm | 23:33 |
| jobu | dMaggot: add repository.maemo.org to app list | 23:33 |
| darx | GeneralAntilles: How may I go about installing debian? Has anyone been successful? | 23:33 |
| dMaggot | I can't seem to install osso xterm from that repo | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | dMaggot, xterm is installed by default on OS2008 | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you upgraded? | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | jobu: so, current state is, you boot choosing mmc12 partition (external, second) -> it loads initfs -> reboots, yes ? | 23:34 |
| dMaggot | ok, I'll try to upgrade | 23:34 |
| dMaggot | thanks! | 23:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | You get a free 70MHz processor upgrade, too. | 23:34 |
| jobu | i choose mmc (external) and says boot failed, loading from internal flash and then boots from internal (no rebooting) | 23:35 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | internal flash is not builtin flash | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you set up the config correctly? | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you partition the card correctly? | 23:36 |
| jobu | partition fine i believe | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you clone correctly? | 23:36 |
| jobu | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15788 | 23:36 |
| jobu | is what i was following | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you seen this? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 | 23:37 |
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| jobu | cloning portion used KotCzarny's script which he tested on himself and says is fine which i ran and had no errors | 23:38 |
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| |zeus| | morning folks | 23:38 |
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| |zeus| | how can i enable TAB key on toolbar for n810? | 23:38 |
| |zeus| | i see only autocomplete suggestions :( | 23:39 |
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| lcuk | turn off autocomplete then :) | 23:39 |
| |zeus| | tryed | 23:39 |
| lcuk | and it still autocompleted? | 23:39 |
| lcuk | s | 23:39 |
| |zeus| | i don't see autocomplete | 23:39 |
| |zeus| | and i don't see Tab key | 23:39 |
| lcuk | which app | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, has anybody considered filling a bug for a control key and tab key on the N810's keyboard? | 23:40 |
| |zeus| | only charset notify | 23:40 |
| |zeus| | pidgin | 23:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | It might be something that they'll consider adding for the N900. | 23:40 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, jobu | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | i have chosen wrong partition | 23:41 |
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| KotCzarny | and it also booted | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | weird | 23:41 |
| jobu | lol | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | probably some autodetection | 23:41 |
| lcuk | booting from base partition still? | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | no | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | when i chosen mmc02 (internal mmc) | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | it booted to mmc12 | 23:41 |
| KotCzarny | if i choose mmc12 it boots to mmc12 | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | if i choose internal flash it boots to mtdblock4 | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | (as expected) | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | jobu, try swapping that card to other slot? | 23:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:42 |
| jobu | kk | 23:42 |
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| jobu | still fails: boot from immc2failed, booting from flash | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | take another option? | 23:44 |
| lcuk | take the card out completely - does the error change in any way | 23:44 |
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| jobu | huh? | 23:45 |
| jobu | take all cards out and choose which? lol | 23:45 |
| lcuk | does 800 have partitions for: base_OS and internal_data as well as 2 mmc slots? | 23:45 |
| lcuk | any | 23:45 |
| jobu | boot options are internal flash, internal mmc, external mmc | 23:45 |
| jobu | and usb | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: there's 256mb for initfs/rootfs | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | jobu and both mmc menu options fail? | 23:46 |
| jobu | rebooting and about to try selecting empty card | 23:47 |
| jobu | er slot | 23:47 |
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| jobu | still fails booting from flash | 23:47 |
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| KotCzarny | can you post sfdisk -l to pastebin.com ? | 23:48 |
| jobu | is there a boot.conf or soemthing i'm supposed to edit? | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | jobu, if you have fanoush initfs then no | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:48 |
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| KotCzarny | or maybe it is | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Before you flash the initfs. | 23:48 |
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| KotCzarny | that's what i have changed too | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | let me see | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you didn't configure that, it may very well be configured incorrectly. | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/bootmenu.conf | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | that's what i use | 23:50 |
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| jobu | kk | 23:50 |
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| jobu | sfdisk posting on pastebin | 23:54 |
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| KotCzarny | link? | 23:54 |
| jobu | http://pastebin.com/m10988211 | 23:55 |
| Tama^2 | Hola | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | why do you have 3 partitions? | 23:55 |
| jobu | i just noticed that lol | 23:55 |
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| KotCzarny | not that it matters that much | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | but still weird | 23:56 |
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