IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-04-04

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Cptnodegardi got a weird problem... fullscreen and zoom buttons dont work in gnumeric anymore. works in any other app, reboot didnt help. ideas?00:02
elbdid they ever work in gnumeric?00:02
Cptnodegardyes00:02
Cptnodegardearlier today00:02
elband did you upgrade?00:03
Cptnodegardno00:03
KotCzarnyjobu: can you post you /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.conf ?00:06
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jobudon't have one lol00:08
jobuonly .sh00:08
KotCzarnyhmm00:08
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jobugoing reinstall inittfs00:09
lcukCptnodegard, maybe something is surviving a reboot - remember the device doesnt switch off fully almost ever - try popping the battery00:09
KotCzarnythen it's probably using defaults00:09
KotCzarnyie. ext200:09
jobuya, using your bootmenu.conf and going reinstall it00:09
lcukCptnodegard, or you have changed settings within gnumetric :P00:09
KotCzarnybtw. while using my script you have changed it to ext2 or not?00:09
Cptnodegardlcuk gnumetric?00:10
lcukgnumeric..00:10
Cptnodegardcant find any settings for it00:10
joburight now i am using your script with no changes00:10
KotCzarnythen it's the reason00:11
Cptnodegardmy igo might have done something... it has a tendency to play with settings when i forget its in sleep mode00:11
KotCzarnyprobably00:11
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KotCzarnythough ext2 should work too00:11
KotCzarnysince it's compatible with ext300:11
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Cptnodegardweird shit... oh well gnumeric is pointless in fullscreen mode anyways00:16
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KotCzarnyhttp://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2008/02/01/SeaCableHi.jpg00:24
jobuwelp, bootmenu.conf makes no diff00:25
jobugoing repartition it and remove that 3rd to see if that makes any change00:26
KotCzarnyyes00:26
lcukmysql is available for maemo.  i don't need this, i just need a client access library to allow me to contact the sql database i have on this machine.  any ideas how i would do it (im coding in c and google foo isnt coming up with anything for maemo)00:27
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KotCzarnysqlite3 ?00:27
KotCzarnyor you need mysql ?00:27
Cptnodegardok....so zoom/fullscreen buttons on gnumeric only works with a bt keyboard connected. thats sane....00:28
lcukthat is a file based local access library - i wanna go over the network and talk to mysql or sqlserver or something00:28
Cptnodegard-____-00:28
KotCzarnylcuk: maemo mapper and friends all are using sqlite300:28
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onionlcuk: just use the mysql client libraries then.. nothing maemo specific in that00:28
jobuhrm, do i need to set my sd card as active?00:28
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KotCzarnyjobu: nope00:29
elblcuk: the mythtv craps for maemo use the mysql client libraries, you might look there00:29
lcukbut do i need to build them myself or is there a magic repo somewhere - ie am i going blind and no1 has connected to a network db before00:29
lcukahhh ta elb, i'll have a shufty00:29
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KotCzarny[    0.453125] omapfb: Pixclock 21940 kHz hfreq 24.9 kHz vfreq 51.0 Hz00:32
* lcuk hasnt looked at omapfb since getting xv working00:33
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KotCzarnybut if i think right, screen is refreshed at 51hz00:34
KotCzarnyunless later xserver changes it00:34
lcukit does change depending upon resolution00:35
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KotCzarnyahum00:35
pparkerhi guys00:35
jobuhi00:35
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pparkeri've got a 770, and i'm trying to install os on rsmmc00:37
pparkeri've followed wiki's instructions00:37
jobui'm ready to blow mine up heh00:37
pparkerbut when it boots on mmc, i've no gui00:37
lcukwicked, put it on youtube00:38
pparkerplease someone help me00:38
lcukpparker, i dont have a 770 nor have i copied to mmc00:38
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jobuwhat's the option to delete partition in sfdisk? >.<;00:39
KotCzarnyd ?00:39
KotCzarny:)00:39
GeneralAntillespparker, did you clone correctly?00:39
KotCzarnyah, sfdisk00:39
KotCzarny:)00:39
pparkerGeneralAntilles: i followed instructions carefully and it took 5 hours to copy everything on mmc00:40
KotCzarnyjobu, now that's a tricky question :)00:40
KotCzarny5h?00:40
KotCzarnyO.o00:40
GeneralAntilles5 hours?!00:40
KotCzarnymine copied in 4minutes00:40
GeneralAntillesIt should be 20 minutes at most. <_<00:40
KotCzarnyand it was ~360mb of data00:40
KotCzarnythough i have n80000:41
pparkernow it boot, but stucks on a white screen, no gui, only power button brings a dialog00:41
KotCzarnyprobably bad cloning00:41
||cwman sfdisk00:41
KotCzarnycan't think of anything else00:41
jobuif hit enter on empty input for entry it still puts in: /dev/mmcblk1p3:   0+   0   1-   31+   83 Linux00:42
KotCzarnyjobu, connect via usb00:42
KotCzarnythen run cfdisk on pc00:42
KotCzarnyon /dev/sda or something00:42
KotCzarny:)00:42
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GeneralAntillesThat's normal, jobu.00:43
pparkerGeneralAntilles: are you sure it take only 20 minutes with a 770 ?00:43
GeneralAntillesIt takes about 10 with an N800.00:43
pupnikok mypaint is ffuuuunnnnnn00:44
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pparkerwhen i wrote this "./targnu cf - -C /floppy . | ./targnu xvf - -C /opt "00:44
pparkerit takes long time00:44
pparkerbut i saw no errors at all00:45
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pparkerso when i boot on mmc, i got a progress bar, logo, and white screen00:46
pparkerand nothing happears00:47
KotCzarnyprogress bar and logo is initfs work00:47
GeneralAntillesSomething went wrong with the cloning00:47
GeneralAntillesEither something's not starting or it's starting and crashing.00:47
pparkerwhat to do now ?00:48
KotCzarnytry again?00:48
KotCzarny:)00:48
KotCzarnyfind another howto?00:48
GeneralAntillesTry cloning again, I suppose.00:48
KotCzarnyluckily /me cloned and booted from mmc on the first try00:49
KotCzarny:)00:49
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jobuya lucky you XD00:49
jobui think i spent almost whole day messing with this thing00:50
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KotCzarnysomething basic is what we miss in your case00:50
KotCzarnydo you have another card?00:50
GeneralAntillesjobu, have you, perhaps, confused mmcblk0/1 and mmc1/200:50
KotCzarny:)00:50
* Mousey ships his tablet to palco00:50
GeneralAntilles?00:50
jobuno >.<00:50
jobui got those down pretty well now heh00:50
GeneralAntillesHave you considered that the card may be bad?00:51
jobui have, badblocked it no errors00:51
jobustill tempted to go out and get another card >.<00:51
GeneralAntillesYou've got an N800, why do you only have one card, anyway?00:51
KotCzarnyjobu: hum, don't you have original one?00:51
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KotCzarnythat came with a card?00:51
KotCzarnyerm. with device00:51
jobui have 200:51
jobua 4gb and a 128mb00:52
KotCzarny128mb would work only if you have very few apps installed00:52
KotCzarnyjffs is compressed00:52
KotCzarnyfor me it was 200mb -> 360mb00:52
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jobuwelp, last try for now, got partitions looking proper and cloning again lol00:55
KotCzarny:)00:55
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* jobu smash!!!!00:58
KotCzarnyworks?00:58
jobunope00:58
KotCzarnyhum00:58
KotCzarnyand source os is freshly flashed one, yes?00:59
jobuoops forgot to format dos partition, would that matter?00:59
KotCzarnynot that much00:59
KotCzarnyit's liek booting with unformatted card00:59
jobuya, i flashed several times today00:59
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GeneralAntillesPastebin the bootmenu.conf?01:00
jobui think i saw something about some korean made ones having issues of some sort01:00
jobui used the one KotCzarny posted01:00
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KotCzarnyjobu, link?01:01
jobuhttp://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/bootmenu.conf01:01
jobuer that's yours, lemem see if i can find it again01:01
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pparkerGeneralAntilles: i restarted cloning01:02
GeneralAntillesAre you actually using ext3?01:02
pparkeri formatted using gparted and i choose ext201:02
GeneralAntillesI'm sorry, I meant jobu.01:03
jobunvm it isn't related http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=401601:03
jobucurrently yes01:03
jobui've tried with ext201:03
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pparkeri buyed a fres new 2 gb mmc01:05
KotCzarny'bought'01:05
pparkeri'm watching cloning, it seems fast this time01:06
KotCzarny:)01:06
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jobuthx for all the help KotCzarny, i think i'm going to go get another sd card and try again later XD01:08
KotCzarnyuhum01:08
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KotCzarnythough my bet is you will get same results01:08
jobusame >.<01:09
KotCzarnyunless i miss something01:09
KotCzarny:/01:09
KotCzarnycan you pastebin new sfdisk -l ?01:09
jobui might try flashing with the first os2008 release01:09
jobuk01:09
KotCzarnyno, regression would be bad01:10
KotCzarnyand it works for people with newest fw01:10
KotCzarnyso it's something else01:10
KotCzarnyhum01:10
* koyote glues backing on a bow01:11
jobuhttp://pastebin.com/m6a7b195d01:11
KotCzarnyhumm01:12
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KotCzarnynow the only thing that i can think of is something in rootfs01:13
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KotCzarnyyou can try editing that ext3 partition boot scripts to do some debug01:14
KotCzarnyto see where exactly it fails01:14
|zeus|can i have battery status in % instead of 'time left'?01:15
GeneralAntillesjobu, the OS2008 version wont change anything.01:15
KotCzarnyie. iserting: echo "rc2/startup 1" >> /log01:15
GeneralAntilles|zeus|, either nitiapps.com01:15
GeneralAntillesor write your own statusbar applet.01:15
jobuone can hope! lol01:15
KotCzarnyinserting01:15
KotCzarny:)01:15
KotCzarnythen later examining that log :)01:16
|zeus|GeneralAntilles: there is no domain like nintiapps.com01:16
GeneralAntilless/nitiapps.com/nitapps.com01:16
|zeus|thanke01:17
jobuok, thx for the helps, i'm going to take a break for the night. tired of staring at the tiny screen01:18
KotCzarny:)01:18
KotCzarnygood luck tomorrow :)01:18
jobuthx01:18
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KotCzarny"Yeah, guess what? I rebooted my Netgear router and that seems to stop N800 from rebooting. The sticker on the router says Made in China"01:22
KotCzarnylol01:22
KotCzarny(from itt)01:22
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LinuxCodethere was a netgear bug that did that to some devices01:24
LinuxCodeneeded flashing afaik01:24
KotCzarnywouldn't wifi driver need replacing too?01:25
KotCzarnysounds like an easy dos :)01:25
pupnikblargh.  i finally get a tesseract under 19.5 kB and i can't use it as an avatar  http://pupnik.de/tesseract-hil064f.gif01:30
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GeneralAntillesHaha01:31
KotCzarnyput into your signature?01:31
KotCzarny;)01:31
KotCzarny*it01:31
pupniki agree with ITT though, animated gifs are a bit too annoying as a rule01:31
KotCzarnytrue01:31
GeneralAntillesI hate 'em.01:32
GeneralAntillesand I hate the spam that most webforums seem to be composed of.01:32
pupnikbut anywhoo.  if you like tesseracts, that one is 20 times smaller than the source ( 513584 bytes )01:32
KotCzarny:)01:33
GeneralAntillesGiant seizure inducing avatars, 1000px wide and 500px tall signatures01:33
GeneralAntillesand 12 characters of post text.01:33
KotCzarnyi like my kittie01:33
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pupnikyaarrrrr mtpaint is SO FUN01:52
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KotCzarny:>01:53
KotCzarnyback to toddler days?01:53
* KotCzarny likes blocks01:54
pupnikit's really well done01:54
KotCzarnytetris, mahjonng etc01:54
pupnikstarting to learn to use it01:54
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lcukhttp://www.moblin.org/ :)02:04
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lcukmoblin is the linux distro for intel atom02:05
KotCzarnynice02:05
GeneralAntillesIt's largely ITOS based.02:05
KotCzarnythat video looks gay.. a little.02:06
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KotCzarnybut i probably look worse02:08
KotCzarny:)02:08
lcukim wondering why finland has so many OSS proponents?02:08
KotCzarnybecause it's in europe?02:08
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lcukim thinking there is something in the water02:08
lcukif this moblin is a full stack and it operates nicely, what would be the hassle in using it on NIT?02:09
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KotCzarnyprobably not02:10
KotCzarnyonly drivers for wifi/sound/power02:10
lcukbut we could use those from maemo?02:10
lcukcarry the blobs - im thinking this because looking over it its very touch friendly02:11
KotCzarnymaybe02:11
lcukhttp://www.moblin.org/projects/projects_media.php02:11
GeneralAntilleslcuk, their UI is accelerated, I believe.02:11
GeneralAntillesPlus the whole x86 thing.02:11
lcuk? most code is c02:11
GeneralAntillesProbably little for most of the applications02:12
GeneralAntillesI'm just sayin'. :P02:12
lcukyou are prob right GeneralAntilles though02:12
KotCzarnyif you only need general buttons layout..02:13
KotCzarny:)02:13
KotCzarnypygtk is quite simple02:13
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lcukyou could use anything to do that layout, and you are right KotCzarny, it wouldnt be difficult and would benefit us to be aiming for a touch interface over a stylus halfbreed02:14
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KotCzarnyhmm02:58
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KotCzarnyanyone else noticed left top part of the screen is a little 'loose' ?02:59
KotCzarnywhile tapping02:59
KotCzarnypreferably with a finger nail to feel it02:59
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pupnikfargh no! no! don't crash! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA03:37
pupnikshit!03:37
KotCzarnymrm?03:37
Navi?03:37
pupnikwas just in a drawing trance for an hour03:37
pupnikand forgot to save03:38
NaviHeh03:38
KotCzarny..03:38
pupnikand then crashed mypaint03:38
KotCzarnyfile for autosave03:38
pupniki can fix the xrash03:38
KotCzarnythough losing one hour of work is a sad thing03:38
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pupnikhttp://www.scottweisbrod.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/MarissaMayer_2796.jpg  was sketching her03:40
KotCzarnyhum03:40
KotCzarnyspecific03:40
KotCzarnynot my type :)03:40
KotCzarnyis she legal age?03:41
pupnikshe's like vice president of google dude03:41
KotCzarnyoh..03:41
pupnikmarissa mayer03:41
KotCzarnybut still, is she legal age ;)03:41
KotCzarnyfrom that pic she looks like 1303:41
pupnikhttp://www.pascalrossini.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/mayerMarissa_5102.jpg03:42
pupnikthere's another03:42
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KotCzarnynow, this is more adultish03:42
pupnikdunno, 30ish03:42
KotCzarnybut on the first pic she looked like a teen03:43
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pupnik"I use an e-mail application called Pine, a Linux-based utility," - marissa03:43
KotCzarny;)03:43
KotCzarnyi prefer mutt03:43
NaviI like mutt better than pine03:44
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rektidec03:45
rektidealthough i think pine finally got open sourcd a couple years ago, iirc03:45
NaviPine used a BSD-like license up 'till 3.9 or so03:47
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KotCzarnypine had some security related problems03:47
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rektidepine had some not-mutt issues03:49
rektidepine used to not be BSD thats for sure03:49
Navirektide, no, it was a BSD-like license.03:50
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pupnikhttp://itsericbetch.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/uglygirl.jpg  more fun things to draw... this woman for e.g.04:00
pupnikhttp://internetservices.readingeagle.com/blog/paws/archives/ugliest-dog-3.jpg  related to this dog?04:01
GeneralAntillesShe steal Michael Jackson's nose?04:01
KotCzarnymay share same illness04:01
pupnikhttp://media.ebaumsworld.com/2007/09/20UgliestCelebrities001.jpg  michael jackson04:02
KotCzarnynono! the goglgeS!04:03
KotCzarnyargh.04:03
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KotCzarnywhyohwhy have you done this to me?04:03
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pupnikhehe04:08
KotCzarnyvista home costs 240$ ?04:08
KotCzarnyO.o04:08
KotCzarny240 for taking away own right to use computer?04:09
KotCzarnyo.O04:09
rektideyou can buy the upgrade for $8504:10
rektide$75 sometimes04:10
rektideand it does not require anything to install04:10
KotCzarnystill, it's not my point04:10
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KotCzarnydo i have to disable wd for switching matchbox/hildon to fluxbox/kde ?04:11
rektideto me its the price to play video games.  :/04:12
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pupnikholy buckets.  the Aye-aye may be the strangest animal i've ever seen04:47
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KotCzarnydeepsea horrors are stranger04:48
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Ziegle1What do you all recomend for a cpu / mem monitor on the nokia n810?04:53
GeneralAntillesosso-statusbar-cpu04:53
Ziegle1Danke04:54
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pupnikKotCzarny: more things to draw with mypaint http://divaboo.info/  25 Worlds Weirdest Animals05:14
KotCzarnyheh.. you're into weird ?05:14
ProteousI don't like where this conversation is going05:16
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pupnikthose are some seriously strange animals05:22
KotCzarny:)05:23
KotCzarnyhttp://divaboo.info/img/Komondor_Dog.jpg05:24
KotCzarnybetter known as 'mop'05:24
KotCzarnyauto-mop05:24
KotCzarnythat is05:24
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KotCzarnyand firefox is really redpanda05:25
KotCzarny:)05:25
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pupnikgrmbl05:32
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KotCzarnycrashed again?05:37
mikedep333hey05:48
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mikedep333I am a serious geek and moderately advanced linux user who is considering buying the n80005:49
KotCzarnywhat for?05:49
mikedep333PDA like functions05:49
mikedep333mobile computing05:49
mikedep333I am especially interested in it because there is a 3rd party port of VPNC and a GUI for it05:49
mikedep333so that I can connect to my school's cisco vpn05:50
GeneralAntillesI wouldn't recommend it for PIM usage.05:50
mikedep333really?05:50
mikedep333I thought pidgin was available for it05:50
GeneralAntillesThe available suites are pretty good (Pimlico and GPE), and I find them plenty usable05:50
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GeneralAntillesbut a lot of Palm users seem to think they suck05:50
mikedep333lol05:50
mikedep333my smartphone is a palm05:50
mikedep333a fairly old one05:50
mikedep333but I have never used my palm for PIM05:51
KotCzarnythen you will like n8x005:51
GeneralAntillesBut it's unmatched as a mobile Linux machine05:51
KotCzarny:)05:51
mikedep333yeah05:51
GeneralAntillesand a fantastic mobile browser.05:51
mikedep333how does package installation go?05:51
mikedep333yeah05:51
GeneralAntillesDebian05:51
GeneralAntillesapt05:51
mikedep333I heard that it uses the gecko engine05:51
mikedep333and it has the flash plugin05:51
GeneralAntillesMicroB05:51
mikedep333what other plugins does it have?05:51
GeneralAntillesFlash 905:51
GeneralAntillesA variety of ported Firefox plugins05:52
mikedep333so you just double click (or equivalently select) a .deb and it installs?05:52
GeneralAntilleshttp://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/05:52
mikedep333do you enter a root password?05:52
GeneralAntillesNot with the GUI package manager.05:52
GeneralAntilles"Application manager"05:52
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KotCzarnynope05:52
GeneralAntillesIt's got a repository system05:52
KotCzarnydefault user is sudoed05:52
mikedep333you can add repos easily, right?05:52
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mikedep333gotcha05:52
GeneralAntillesSo you add repositories (http://www.gronmayer.com/it) and install from there.05:53
KotCzarnyi mean can install/remove packages05:53
KotCzarnyand do some other tasks05:53
mikedep333how does it handle PDFs from the web?05:53
mikedep333videos on the web?05:53
KotCzarnyas good as 400mhz cpu can do05:53
KotCzarny;)05:53
GeneralAntillesVideos on the web are hit and miss.05:53
GeneralAntillesYouTube is good05:53
KotCzarnybut generally 400x240 is good05:54
mikedep333yeah, youtube sounds great05:54
GeneralAntillesOther stuff sometimes works, sometimes doesn't.05:54
mikedep333what about java?05:54
GeneralAntillesNo Java yet05:54
mikedep333oh well05:54
KotCzarnybut there's always vnc05:54
KotCzarny;)05:54
mikedep333hopefully with java ME being open sourced it will happen soon05:54
GeneralAntilleshttps://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page05:54
mikedep333yeah05:54
GeneralAntillesIs "in progress"05:54
mikedep333how is rdesktop and vnc?05:54
GeneralAntillesBoth work fine.05:55

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