| celesteh | and then upload it to flickr | 00:00 |
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| celesteh | the internal camera on the n800 is totally crap | 00:00 |
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| celesteh | i also want a pony | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | what will you do with it? | 00:03 |
| celesteh | the pony? um, well, of course, it needs a mapping application and variable speeds. also, i'd like it to go at least 10 hours between charges | 00:03 |
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| KotCzarny | O.o | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | are we talking about real pony or some gadget? | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:04 |
| wnd | inflatable, perhaps... | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | urghghgh | 00:05 |
| celesteh | a pony boy . . . | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | the goggles! they do nothing! | 00:05 |
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| KotCzarny | celesteh: i can tell you one thing, interracial stuff is inpractical | 00:06 |
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| KotCzarny | and clumsy sometimes | 00:06 |
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| celesteh | um, i assume this is a matapor i don't know, kotczarny? | 00:06 |
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| KotCzarny | how should i interpret 'pony boy' ? | 00:07 |
| * celesteh does not actually seek a pony boy | 00:07 | |
| KotCzarny | oh | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 00:07 |
| celesteh | heh, well, if you look in google (or have ever been unfortunate enough to work for a search engine) pony boy actualy refers to humans who like to, um, dress up | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | you mean, furries? | 00:08 |
| celesteh | no, this seems to be much more specific | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 00:09 |
| Tama^2 | Hi | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, Tama^2. | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | furries dressed like a ponies? | 00:10 |
| Tama^2 | Hello GA | 00:10 |
| skibur | any good microproccess that can be coded in C++? | 00:10 |
| lcuk2 | omg ponies!!! :D | 00:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | !!! | 00:11 |
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| skibur | microprocessor | 00:12 |
| lcuk2 | got a mail today: From: John Subject: Remove!!! i replied: Remove!!! what!!! from!!! where??? | 00:12 |
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| KotCzarny | anti-viagra ad? | 00:12 |
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| lcuk2 | no, real person one of my addresses is quite basic - and picks up lots of other gmail addies | 00:13 |
| lcuk2 | theres loads of person.myemail@gmail.com and people copy and paste and forget the first part | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 00:14 |
| lcuk2 | i have all kinds of nutters mailing it | 00:15 |
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| KotCzarny | and misspellers? | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:15 |
| lcuk2 | nahhh, thats my other one | 00:15 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.bigskygypsy.com/Images/fell%20pony%20stallion.jpg | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | pony | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | emo pony | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:16 |
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| lcuk2 | thats been photoshopped. the reflections are all wrong | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | there was something in background | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | on that pic | 00:16 |
| lcuk2 | a KotCzarny in a pony suit? | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | don't know | 00:17 |
| lcuk2 | i shouldnt laugh at ponies and stuff though. | 00:17 |
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| lcuk2 | their relative (donkey) is a bit pissed at us after me and my dad almost ran one over :S | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | donkey have a character | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | donkeys | 00:18 |
| lcuk2 | we had to wipe donkey spit off the windscreen and pay for damage to the car | 00:18 |
| lcuk2 | but it was still standing | 00:18 |
| keesj | On the same site I Web Design! If you like what you see on these pages let Big Sky Web Design create a cost effective web site for you. | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | keesj.. i just used google images | 00:19 |
| lcuk2 | small world | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | i try to avoid looking at the pages after that ;) | 00:19 |
| lcuk2 | at least now we know what was in the background | 00:20 |
| lcuk2 | a keesj in a pony suit :P | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 00:20 |
| lcuk2 | it actually looks quite easy on the eye | 00:20 |
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| * lcuk2 likes a nice simple logical layout :) | 00:20 | |
| KotCzarny | http://www.miniatureponycentre.com/img/pony008.jpg | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 00:21 |
| lcuk2 | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/01/funny-pictures-lolcat-seeds/ | 00:22 |
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| pupnik | did you ever try building picodrive KotCzarny ? | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: nope | 00:23 |
| pupnik | k | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | i'm fighting with mplayer right now | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | xv/nokia770 driver stopped working for me | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | and i don't know why | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | tried old .25 and current .26 | 00:24 |
| lcuk2 | related to rotation? | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | i suspect xomap's randr path | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | patch | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | on unrotated screen even | 00:24 |
| keesj | stop stop stop, stop stop stop, I can not handle any more urls for now. this is a serious channel about maemo development not about show me you mule | 00:24 |
| lcuk2 | lol keesj | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | if the pony has 'maemo' written on it | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | does it count? | 00:25 |
| lcuk2 | its not like we are gettin in the way - i know this is serious business | 00:25 |
| lcuk2 | IRC: SERIOUS BUSINESS | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | SRSBSNS | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | YARLY! | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: btw. you should upgrade to firefox .13, feels more snappy | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | when opening new tabs for example | 00:27 |
| lcuk2 | i have done | 00:27 |
| lcuk2 | as we spoke last night | 00:27 |
| lcuk2 | what online games would be good to play with n8x0? | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | probably flash games | 00:27 |
| lcuk2 | what would you like to use your touchscreen to play | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | because we don't have java | 00:27 |
| lcuk2 | too slow | 00:27 |
| oob | multiplayer notepad? | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need a NIT Doom/Quake community. | 00:27 |
| lcuk2 | would air hockey be good against a real opponent | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | we have irc | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | oob: | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | gps wars? | 00:28 |
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| KotCzarny | or gps le mans | 00:28 |
| lcuk2 | lol - would take too long to get a fix | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | i fix harder! | 00:28 |
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| lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, | 00:28 |
| lcuk2 | what a wicked idea | 00:28 |
| keesj | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/pteq.html | 00:29 |
| lcuk2 | decide on a track length and in respective part of town go walk/run/cycle/drive | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, multiplayer tetris | 00:29 |
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| lcuk2 | thats the idea kot | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | there's xtris already | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | though | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:29 |
| keesj | I wonder if I can attach that to a nokia tablet | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | probably compiling o-o-t-b | 00:29 |
| lcuk2 | keesj, would YOU let anyone pee near your nokia? | 00:30 |
| fysa | there's a new tetrinet replacement? | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | fysa: in the beginning, there was xtris | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:30 |
| fysa | yes, xtris is old. didn't realize it was more than 2 players. | 00:30 |
| fysa | :) | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | yes, it was | 00:30 |
| keesj | lcuk2: my nokia follows me everywhere. | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | up to 8 or 16 players | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 00:30 |
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| lcuk2 | ok, we have a camera a mic a touch screen and possibly a gps. whilst we cant to tilt n shake, what can we use it all for | 00:30 |
| celesteh | doom! | 00:31 |
| lcuk2 | lol keesj | 00:31 |
| KotCzarny | we have played it before exams in uni | 00:31 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:31 |
| lcuk2 | doom is there isnt it | 00:31 |
| lcuk2 | thats not designed for this device | 00:31 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: camera based blinking game? | 00:31 |
| celesteh | oh my god, this is bad news. if i have doom, i wil never work again | 00:31 |
| KotCzarny | celesteh: you're doomed | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to play Quake | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | (multiplayer) | 00:32 |
| lcuk2 | sod that - ut99 for me :) | 00:32 |
| fysa | Diablo. ;) | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | UT99 is a little out of its capabilities. :P | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yeah, <3 UT99 | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Best mods of any FPS ever. | 00:32 |
| lcuk2 | not if we get the ermmm thingymabob working :) | 00:32 |
| lcuk2 | we play every dinner | 00:32 |
| lcuk2 | to be able to login from the device will be good :) | 00:33 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:33 |
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| lcuk2 | KotCzarny, im expanding my save abilities. im gonna udp them to my windows box as i perform actions.. | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | tell me.. what you're really up to? | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:38 |
| lcuk2 | learning :) | 00:38 |
| KotCzarny | yeah.. sure.. | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:39 |
| lcuk2 | putting all the pieces i have had infront of me for about 10 years together :) | 00:39 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 00:39 |
| lcuk2 | but never had a device to do it on | 00:39 |
| pupnik | celesteh, i found the most controllable 3d shooter to be solmumaha's Duke3d port | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | start making a lib | 00:40 |
| lcuk2 | i told ya, ive been on methadone. | 00:40 |
| pupnik | offtopic: best unedited movie fight scene ever? (4 minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K06wDn3XsZE | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:40 |
| lcuk2 | everything i am doing has a small api - i can change the backend without touching the simplish frontend | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | good :) | 00:41 |
| lcuk2 | flagged pupnik you got an off-youtube link to same thing so it can be viewed without signing in | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | To view this video or group, please verify you are 18 or older by logging in or signing up. | 00:41 |
| KotCzarny | :/ | 00:41 |
| aquatix | o/` The internet is for porn! o/` | 00:42 |
| lcuk2 | is it better than hercules? | 00:42 |
| lcuk2 | astarring arnold strong | 00:42 |
| aquatix | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5430343841227974645 <- really funny | 00:42 |
| aquatix | and no rickroll :) | 00:42 |
| lcuk2 | for the best wow soundtrack: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1788226734163789045 | 00:43 |
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| aquatix | lcuk2: hey, isn't that the same? | 00:44 |
| lcuk2 | same background i think, diff song tho - this is the original | 00:45 |
| lcuk2 | actually no its not | 00:45 |
| lcuk2 | they are both diff | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | nicely done | 00:46 |
| lcuk2 | both v old tho | 00:46 |
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| KotCzarny | a riddle: how many patents can be on a plain cartoon box ? | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | answer: i see 9 listed and 'other patents pending' | 01:00 |
| * aquatix is too tired to understand the joke | 01:01 | |
| KotCzarny | damnit, it's a cartoon box. | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | arm | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | i may be using wrong word | 01:01 |
| KotCzarny | 'carton, cardboard box' | 01:02 |
| aquatix | ah :) | 01:02 |
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| aquatix | wtf | 01:02 |
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| aquatix | 9+more pending on the concept of `cardboard box'? | 01:02 |
| aquatix | *sigh* | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know if it's on concept | 01:02 |
| aquatix | i get the point | 01:03 |
| lcuk2 | how much multitouch does the iphone have? is it 2 point only, or full chording? | 01:03 |
| KotCzarny | us patents: 4932930 5147271 5375715 5381948 5400955 5713469 5988389 6394742 6358191 | 01:03 |
| aquatix | there are things like `special way of ripping this part open' and such | 01:03 |
| aquatix | lcuk2: i think 2 | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I believe it's only 2 point. | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not something I ever bothered to test. | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I think it's an intentional software 'limitation' | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | " Method and machine for forming cases with polygonal section made from a sheet material and cases thus obtained" | 01:04 |
| lcuk2 | GeneralAntilles, it could be to do with the method they are using to detect touch | 01:05 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: and that's why the patent office needs a thorough clean-up... | 01:05 |
| lcuk2 | newest technology on touch would put a light sensor in every rgb pixel. (uses light reflecting back off fingers from lcd backlight to detect touch :) ) | 01:06 |
| lcuk2 | i doubt they are using that tho | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: that would be expensive? | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | The newer MacBooks have 3-finger gestures | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | For forward/back | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fairly cool. | 01:06 |
| lcuk2 | to be honest, it wouldnt be that bad - it can (apparantly) be produced with the same tech monitors are made with | 01:07 |
| lcuk2 | its just an extra pixel going in the opposite direction | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | much data | 01:07 |
| lcuk2 | yes, but just like a webcam :) | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | more like scanner | 01:07 |
| lcuk2 | not really, we use webcams to do photo analysis already | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want a touchscreen technology that doesn't suck balls. | 01:08 |
| Navi | Perspective Pixel | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | but it will detect only close objects | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise it will pickup much noise | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | laser operated touchscreen? | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | laserpointer | 01:09 |
| lcuk2 | wiimote does job well enough | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | with blue beam for rightclick | 01:10 |
| lcuk2 | if you're holding something, might as well make it active as well | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | red for moving | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | and white for left click | 01:10 |
| lcuk2 | just send movement over when it moves and a click signal when you click ;) | 01:10 |
| KotCzarny | i should eat something | 01:11 |
| lcuk2 | a horse or pony? | 01:11 |
| KotCzarny | fish | 01:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Be nice to get the Wiimote drivers a little less nasty. | 01:12 |
| lcuk2 | it might actually | 01:12 |
| Navi | Nothing wrong with the current Wiimote interpreters, libraries, and modules | 01:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They need to be zero-effort. | 01:13 |
| Navi | Libraries like cwiid are up to the developers | 01:14 |
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| Navi | the effort that one needs to make to use a wiimote-based app is determined by the developer side. | 01:16 |
| Navi | s/ side// | 01:17 |
| infobot | Navi meant: the effort that one needs to make to use a wiimote-based app is determined by the developer. | 01:17 |
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| KotCzarny | ah. well. i can't find xserver-xomap deb | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | i will have to compile it | 01:23 |
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| johnx | its in the repo... | 01:29 |
| KotCzarny | how can i get it then? | 01:29 |
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| johnx | wget | 01:33 |
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| KotCzarny | link? | 01:33 |
| KotCzarny | because i can't find it | 01:33 |
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| johnx | aaah...ok, I guess I repacked it. at least the source parts of the package are here to make rebuilding trivial: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/x/xorg-server/ | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: that's what i have written | 01:36 |
| johnx | or use the one on sse2.net/rotate or dpkg-repack the one on your tablet | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | that i will have to build one myself | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, i need original unpatched one | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | because i suspects rotation patch brakes xv/nokia770 in mplayer | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | and i want to try unpatched first | 01:37 |
| johnx | ah, try the newest rotation stuff | 01:37 |
| johnx | that unbreaks it | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | i have tried | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i want to see what exactly brakes mplayer on my IT | 01:38 |
| vlad_ | ("breaks" :) | 01:38 |
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| KotCzarny | thx | 01:39 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | i have written it correctly at first | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | then wrong form stuck in my mind | 01:39 |
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| KotCzarny | my dictionary says 'brake' is an archaic form of break ;) | 01:40 |
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| jott | KotCzarny: i would just recommend re-installing my kernel and xomap this should be the easiest fix ;) | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | jott: hrm | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:42 |
| KotCzarny | but i believe mplayer was working | 01:42 |
| jott | thats why you should reinstall :) | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:43 |
| vlad_ | #define PIPESIZE qemu: Unsupported syscall: 338 | 01:44 |
| vlad_ | 65536 | 01:44 |
| vlad_ | smooth. | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | i was getting 338 too | 01:44 |
| vlad_ | yeah, seems harmless | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | with 4.[23] | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | seems. | 01:45 |
| vlad_ | it was just funny because that #define was generated by a script | 01:45 |
| jott | well when rotated only xv makes some trouble but in normal mode there are no problems, be it xv or omapfb output | 01:45 |
| vlad_ | which seems to have included stderr output in its .h file | 01:45 |
| jott | maybe it's your mplayer :p | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | jott: but i have mplayer binary that was working earlier | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | so it's not that | 01:45 |
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| jott | well all i can say WORKSFORME bug closed ;) | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | i will know for sure after i reinstall xomap | 01:46 |
| jott | and flash kernel | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | i had flashed original kernel | 01:47 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. i've got mplayer's alsa output working by simply editing /etc/asound.conf | 01:48 |
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| vlad_ | KotCzarny: bah, all these binaries run fine on the device, but I keep getting the qemu error (cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires) | 02:14 |
| vlad_ | maybe this ld-linux.so.2 is too new? | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | so.2 ? | 02:15 |
| vlad_ | er, .3 | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 02:15 |
| vlad_ | mm, there's an execstack tool | 02:15 |
| vlad_ | that can flip that big | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | i believe whole sys should be rebuilt.. | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe try compiling gcc with glibc2.5 ? | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | native one | 02:16 |
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| vlad_ | KotCzarny: ok, using execstack and clearing the bit (execstack --clear-execstack /lib/*.so.[0-9] /usr/lib/*.so.[0-9]) works | 02:31 |
| vlad_ | whee | 02:31 |
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| KotCzarny | whoo | 02:31 |
| vlad_ | sec, i'll copy over execstack somewhere | 02:32 |
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| vlad_ | http://people.mozilla.com/~vladimir/misc/execstack.armel | 02:33 |
| vlad_ | needs libelfg0 | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | mhm | 02:34 |
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| pupnik | you making newer gcc work vlad_ ? | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: it works | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | nearly | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:45 |
| pupnik | i really want to get profiled optimization of dosbox | 02:45 |
| pupnik | cause it's so awful right now | 02:45 |
| pupnik | and it segfaults when i try with gcc 3.x | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | http://web.archive.org/web/20060111034355/http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_performance_test_process.html | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | anyone know if there's updated version of that page? | 02:46 |
| pupnik | wow nice find KotCzarny | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | but missing from maemo.org | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | so i assume there should be version that made this one obsolete | 02:48 |
| pupnik | maybe further howto is restricted to internal | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | unlikely | 02:53 |
| pupnik | i do not see very much that is outdated | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | 2005 | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:53 |
| pupnik | the core info and methodology remains the same | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | but there may be some new tools | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | or existing ones enhanced | 02:54 |
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| KotCzarny | from fanoush mail on some list: I tend to avoid IRC because it is big waste of time. | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 02:56 |
| KotCzarny | like all games | 02:57 |
| pupnik | Irc means a pile of friends hanging out in the top-right corner of my screen | 03:00 |
| KotCzarny | i have a aterm/screen window with 3 subwindows | 03:00 |
| KotCzarny | *an | 03:00 |
| KotCzarny | 100x50 | 03:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:01 |
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| KotCzarny | "Building packages with new toolchain would probably need to have libstdc++ | 03:05 |
| KotCzarny | linked statically for C++ applications to work on 770/N800, but otherwise | 03:05 |
| KotCzarny | everything should be fine." | 03:05 |
| pupnik | i tryded it with a LD-preloaded libstdc++ but it only partially worked, i probably needed to supply other things | 03:06 |
| KotCzarny | how about rebuilding all software from sscratch? | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | there's debian-maemo project | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | johnx, alive? | 03:08 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | or uclibc based one | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | All the whiners on engadget who want cellular in the tablets are stupid. <_< | 03:10 |
| pupnik | agree | 03:11 |
| pupnik | i'd really like to see the maemo-ish stuff we do make it onto other hardware | 03:11 |
| pupnik | is "mamona" the viable route to do this? | 03:12 |
| * KotCzarny doesn't know what mamona is | 03:12 | |
| KotCzarny | other than biblical name similiarity | 03:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:12 |
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| pupnik | mamona is the 'completely open maemo-derived sdk' i guess | 03:14 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 03:14 |
| pupnik | i'm just asking n00bishly what path could be available | 03:14 |
| lcuk2 | depends what you compile for | 03:15 |
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| pupnik | http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/ | 03:16 |
| KotCzarny | "What!?! People who are porting/re-making m68k games haven't | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | heard of alignment issues? Where the world is going..." | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ubuntu Mobile will use Hildon. | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/will use/uses/ | 03:18 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Ubuntu Mobile uses Hildon. | 03:18 |
| koyote | honestly, the best i ever saw was pdaxrom for the zaurus clamshells | 03:18 |
| koyote | people tend to forget that just 14 years ago, you'd commonly run a full unix with x environment on a 68030 and a 640x480 display. with 512mb of disk. | 03:19 |
| koyote | at something like 40mhz. | 03:19 |
| koyote | with 32Mb ram. | 03:20 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/ForeignToolchains | 03:21 |
| KotCzarny | hah | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your point, koyote? :P | 03:21 |
| koyote | the pdaxrom was x based, with a basic unixlike heritage of compiling and selcting your windo managers and special interface tools | 03:23 |
| koyote | most of the time when i comment on such subjects, i'm told the nokia hasn'[t got enough resources. | 03:23 |
| koyote | which is EXACTLY the same thing i've been hearing with handhelds running real OSen since 1992 when i got my first | 03:24 |
| koyote | not firft handhels, but first with a real os. | 03:24 |
| lcuk2 | koyote, i treat my nokia like I would treat an amiga. i respect the actions its taking, but I know damned well its capable of even more ;) | 03:24 |
| koyote | lcuk2: yah | 03:25 |
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| lcuk2 | we even have a dedicated chipset with custom processors available | 03:25 |
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| koyote | so my points, GeneralAntilles, are essentially that the whole hildon and maemo thing seems, honestly, to be castrating the computer. And that there's plenty of power in the device. And that a real linux with dev environment onboard would make the most sense. | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | My N800 can do a helluva lot more than my device from 1996. :P | 03:27 |
| koyote | exactly | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, your point is that things are able to do as much as their resources allow? <_< | 03:28 |
| koyote | no | 03:28 |
| koyote | that they should be permitted to | 03:28 |
| lcuk2 | the hildon window manager isn't bollocks - the basic principle of hacing staticly sized windows and constant desktop elements is needed. x on its own is mainly geared towards the mousing paradigm where you can put windows anywhere | 03:28 |
| koyote | i'm finding the software side of the n series to be a SERIOUS sticking point for usability | 03:29 |
| lcuk2 | i agree with you on that point.. | 03:29 |
| koyote | and i'm not saying hildon is bollocks, either. BUt it's a choice i could make..... | 03:29 |
| lcuk2 | but managing a windows like environment doesnt suit this device, you would spend longer trying to put a window somewhere - just look at the desktop applets. managing sizing and moving is a nightmare | 03:29 |
| koyote | were a regular stock bsd or linux fully supported, i coudl use the touchscreen or a bt keyboard and mouse. | 03:30 |
| lcuk2 | we need a proper touch interface however and hildon and its software stack are lacking | 03:30 |
| koyote | lcuk2: oddly, i never had that problem on the zaurus with the pdaxrom | 03:30 |
| Ikkakujyu | Yay Zaurus. | 03:30 |
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| lcuk2 | i have vnc installed on here and whenever i login to my desktop, moving and managing the windows feels wrong | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | the less clicks the better | 03:31 |
| koyote | i am typing currently on my *big* computer. | 03:31 |
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| lcuk2 | and its not wrong because its sluggish - i use vnc and vmware all the time, its just not right trying to scrape windows | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise it starts to get irritating | 03:32 |
| koyote | an asus eee pc with the SAME resolution as the n800. yet i have no problem with a regular x environment | 03:32 |
| koyote | and i don't seem to have to spend ANY time manually placing windows | 03:32 |
| lcuk2 | thats because you are using a mouse | 03:32 |
| koyote | of course, i am not using twm | 03:32 |
| lcuk2 | its not resolution, its touch vs mouse | 03:32 |
| koyote | lcuk2: touchscreen is same same as a mouse in most ways. | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | not exactly | 03:32 |
| koyote | look at the wesnoth port | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bullcrap | 03:32 |
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| lcuk2 | koyote, i know its not because i use both methods daily | 03:33 |
| koyote | KotCzarny: most ways. move pointer, select. hold, drage. | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | it's hard to differentiate click and point | 03:33 |
| lcuk2 | and i curse at the moused windoing | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | and no rmb (righyt mouse button) | 03:33 |
| koyote | i use both methods daily, and i've used touch screens in linux on fujitsu laptops, as well | 03:33 |
| lcuk2 | i honestly have no problem letting hildon decide that all windows go here and these go there. it is like the console in my car | 03:33 |
| lcuk2 | everything is static and easy to find | 03:33 |
| koyote | KotCzarny: that's easy. bind the back key to it or something | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | still | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | you tap | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | you generate lmb | 03:34 |
| lcuk2 | the experience may change with a large format tablet, but on these devices it feels better | 03:34 |
| koyote | who here actually has used x with a touch screen environment, like on the pdaxrom builds? | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | not the right | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | you click 'back button' you wil lgenerate rmb at current mouse pos | 03:34 |
| koyote | KotCzarny: um. it's really pretty simple. on normal unices | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | koyote: xmodmap will work | 03:35 |
| koyote | you bind things, keychords, alternative button usage. | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | xmodmap will work | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | i have an idea how to do it even | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | ie. 1 button to turn tap-to-point on/off | 03:36 |
| koyote | lcuk2: completely preference. i would prefer an x environment with something like windowmaker, you like hildon. | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | and 1 button to assign tap to lmb or rmb | 03:36 |
| lcuk2 | :) | 03:36 |
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| koyote | but why can i not just install my prefernce via apt and compile my own kernel and such? | 03:36 |
| koyote | this is where i'm having major issues. | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | you can | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Install Debian. | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | a least the kernel part | 03:36 |
| KotCzarny | though not the generic i guess (as long you want closed things) | 03:37 |
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| koyote | here's where i have been not finding the information i want, then. | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | hmm? | 03:40 |
| koyote | standardish debian on the n800? | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | johnx runs maemo-debian | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | ARM EABI Debian | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | i guess most things would work | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | only parts that are hardware specific could fail | 03:42 |
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| koyote | define maemo-debian | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | erm, i meant debian on n8x0 | 03:43 |
| KotCzarny | don't know why it stuck in my mind that maemo is IT | 03:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's Debian. | 03:43 |
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| ZooVision | Hi we are looking to hire a programer to write a widget written for the internet tablets | 03:45 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 03:45 |
| ZooVision | can anyone help me? | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo.org may be your best bet. | 03:46 |
| ZooVision | Okay I've looked around there but didn't see a good place to post a message | 03:47 |
| lcuk2 | try posting on internettabletforum | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | He did | 03:47 |
| lcuk2 | ahh | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe try the dev mailing list | 03:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not sure, really. | 03:47 |
| ZooVision | I've posted a message on the tablet forum | 03:48 |
| lcuk2 | zoo, does your company not have local developers? | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | There was another guy looking for a dev a few months ago | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure if he ever had any success. | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | gronmayer is down? | 03:48 |
| ZooVision | we do but they are tied up right now and plus don't have the needed experience | 03:49 |
| lcuk2 | unfortunatly i am just starting myself. depending upon the definition of the widget you want, if they have any linux development experience at all they should be able to do it fairly quickly | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Desktop applets are pretty straightforward. | 03:51 |
| lcuk2 | and wasnt someone saying the python bindings are getting simpler | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | ah. only slow | 03:51 |
| ZooVision | okay I'll look in that direction linux developers | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:52 |
| lcuk2 | get them a device and let them play for a couple of weeks | 03:52 |
| lcuk2 | (in their own time) you will find out who can do it - let them keep device for doing it at home ;) | 03:52 |
| ZooVision | good idea | 03:53 |
| ZooVision | we ordered a couple of them today | 03:53 |
| ZooVision | should be pretty simple overall | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | something lags | 03:53 |
| ZooVision | read in an xml feed | 03:53 |
| ZooVision | link to the media player | 03:53 |
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| KotCzarny | sounds like regexp fun | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:54 |
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| ZooVision | already have the interface ironed out | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | what's the problem then? | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't look like it has to be very maemo specific | 03:55 |
| ZooVision | well the graphics are ironed out | 03:56 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 04:33 |
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| KotCzarny | canola2 for linux is coming | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 04:33 |
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| KotCzarny | jott: you got linked: http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/user-interface-design/team-work-canola2-portrait-test | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 04:35 |
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| pupnik_ | http://sse2.net/rotate/ maemo os2008 xrandr rotate screen vertical display rotated desktop jott Rodrigo fanoush | 05:09 |
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| KotCzarny | ? | 05:14 |
| pupnik_ | linkspam | 05:15 |
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| KotCzarny | heh | 05:16 |
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| pupnik | 05:17 | |
| pupnik | Google partners with NSA, CIA on intelligence database | 05:17 |
| pupnik | http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CIA_creates_miniGoogle_0331.html | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | april 1st | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | still | 05:17 |
| pupnik | ? hmm | 05:17 |
| pupnik | Published: Monday March 31, 2008 | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | hour? | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | and any other references? | 05:18 |
| pupnik | read it or ignore it | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | i believe story like this one would be /. to death | 05:18 |
| pupnik | it's not a very sinister story | 05:19 |
| KotCzarny | all bad things come in small steps | 05:19 |
| pupnik | the buzzword for this around 2001-2003 was 'knowledge management' for organizations | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | i take back whatever i said bad about canola | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | it has browser by folder option, whoo | 05:22 |
| pupnik | oh then i might try it also | 05:22 |
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| KotCzarny | seemless playback would be nice though | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | also some shortcuts like, 'now playing, options, top' | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | scratch that | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | now playing is in the corner | 05:25 |
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| KotCzarny | and holding on 'back' takes to the top in 1 sec | 05:25 |
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| KotCzarny | really, really nice | 05:26 |
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| KotCzarny | sorting tracks would be nice though | 05:28 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | ok. i'm in the canola fan base now. | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | definitely | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:29 |
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| KotCzarny | high quality zoom would be nice too | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | (for books scanned as jpg) | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | also there should be an option to remember/revert zoom/orientation | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/user-interface-design/ha-the-guys-just-keep-surprising-me | 05:38 |
| KotCzarny | translucent osk on n800 | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | that's the thing i wanted :) | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | observe: 1/ you can see part of the background | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | 2/ entered text is also shown in top left corner | 05:39 |
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| WormFood | does moon lander not work with the n800? I can't figure out any way to control it | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | wf: no info in the manual/docs/site? | 05:41 |
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| Tama^2 | KotCzarny: from the article you linked: "Now, the plan is to have this as optional keyboard. And of course IT WILL NOT HAVE THIS iPhone look!" | 05:42 |
| Tama^2 | of course it will not... it will look much worse! by design.. | 05:42 |
| KotCzarny | tama: i don't like the look too | 05:42 |
| Tama^2 | what is that you do not like? | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | but i wanted an osk that wont fsck other windows | 05:43 |
| Tama^2 | :) | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | default osk just makes me angry | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:43 |
| Tama^2 | me too >.< | 05:43 |
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| tsukasa | mmm bawls | 05:45 |
| tsukasa | i love slurping my cold juicy bawls | 05:45 |
| Tama^2 | and of course one cannot write a replacement | 05:45 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm? | 05:47 |
| Tama^2 | I do not know if I have a talent for finding things to do that are verboten but it seems all the things I'd like to work on were classified as not open by Nokia | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | no workarounds? | 05:48 |
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| Tama^2 | input methods have to fit in the IM plugin system which basically exclude osk | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | erm, not really | 05:49 |
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| Tama^2 | unless you want to implement one for your application only of course | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | xserver allows for remote input | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | xvkbd, xkbd | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | both uses it | 05:49 |
| KotCzarny | and it works | 05:49 |
| Tama^2 | yes, but if you ask me the ITOS is already very clumsy when it comes to user interaction | 05:49 |
| Tama^2 | if I come up with yet another method that is not triggered by finger pressure or the select button | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | my idea is: disable builtin osk, assign hardware key to bring ours up | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | done | 05:50 |
| Tama^2 | it's useless, really | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | no, not another method | 05:50 |
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| KotCzarny | no hildon specific stuff | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | standalone app | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | that would work on every xserver | 05:51 |
| pupnik_ | xvkbd | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | it simply works | 05:51 |
| pupnik_ | xkbd | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: ? | 05:51 |
| Tama^2 | yes, pupnik? | 05:51 |
| pupnik_ | without an opengl-based windowing system, there is no solution for translucent vkbd | 05:51 |
| pupnik_ | it would eat cpu drawing over an animated sdl game | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i could bear with xshape enabled one too | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | it's like 1bit transparency | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | quite fast | 05:52 |
| pupnik_ | interesting | 05:52 |
| KotCzarny | doh | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | what am i saying | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | i could even bear with a window | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | that won't cover whole screen | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | like xkbd does right now | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:54 |
| KotCzarny | i have an idea | 05:54 |
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| Tama^2 | KotCzarny: going back to our conversation: if you assign the HW key to bringing up the custom osk app, it means other applications do not have access to the same key | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | tama: yes, there's a price | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | another trick woyld be catching clicks in the corner of the screen | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | would | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | or just making osk persistent but minimizeable | 06:00 |
| Tama^2 | or as an high priority icon in the status bar | 06:00 |
| Tama^2 | so it does not disappear.. | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | that wouldn't work for full screen apps | 06:01 |
| Tama^2 | true | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | ie. games | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | so always on top in the corner | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | btw. xvkbd IS stable | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | and doesn't have xkbd problems | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | i have to recompile it hinted to be a util window | 06:02 |
| Tama^2 | yes but they are all hacks... | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | tama: i can live with hacks | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | people hack windows too | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | iphone too | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | everything | 06:02 |
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| KotCzarny | but you know what's sad? | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | archos is not hackable | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:02 |
| Tama^2 | ?_? | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | google for: hacking archos 704 | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:03 |
| pupnik_ | you know xkbd will minimize to a tiny icon in the corner of the screen, yes? | 06:03 |
| Tama^2 | my point was that I wanted to add functionality not to hack in functionality | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: yes, but xkbd is unstable | 06:03 |
| pupnik_ | so lets make it stable | 06:03 |
| pupnik_ | (reliable, not-broken, whatever) | 06:04 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: xvkbd is stable | 06:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:04 |
| KotCzarny | and it has similiar features | 06:04 |
| pupnik_ | i tried it a while back. do you have a binary? | 06:04 |
| KotCzarny | tama: you name it 'adding' i name it 'hacking' | 06:04 |
| KotCzarny | result is the same, missing funtionality is on the device after that | 06:04 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: should be somewhere on my site | 06:05 |
| KotCzarny | let me check | 06:05 |
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| pupnik_ | i still have sources from 12-2006 in my scratchbox | 06:05 |
| pupnik_ | 2.7 and 2.8 | 06:06 |
| pupnik_ | trying buildpackage now | 06:08 |
| KotCzarny | mm? | 06:08 |
| KotCzarny | ah | 06:08 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xvkbd/ | 06:08 |
| pupnik_ | ty | 06:08 |
| KotCzarny | but as i said it needs to be recompiled and rehinted | 06:08 |
| KotCzarny | it was one of my first compilations in sb | 06:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:09 |
| KotCzarny | i think i have compiled it statically agains libxaw3d | 06:09 |
| pupnik_ | rehinted meaning fonts not displaying correctly? | 06:09 |
| KotCzarny | no | 06:09 |
| KotCzarny | rehinted meaning not taking whole screen | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | because of matchbox policy | 06:10 |
| pupnik_ | ah | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | to resize windows | 06:10 |
| pupnik_ | you know more about X than me. this is good | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 06:10 |
| KotCzarny | i only know what i saw in includes/sources | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | and from some tests | 06:11 |
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| pupnik_ | would it be easier to fix xkbd missing keys or fix xvkbd to display in a small window on-top? | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | making smaller window is a 1-2 liner | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | fixing xkbd is bughunting | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | and you know what fun is bughunting | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:12 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 06:12 |
| pupnik_ | building xvkbd complains about missing -lXaw3d | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:13 |
| KotCzarny | i have provided xaw3d sources too | 06:13 |
| KotCzarny | i can put the .a file of it too | 06:13 |
| pupnik_ | i don't see makefile in sources for xaw3d | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | xmkmf | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't exists in sb | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | but i ran it outside sb in that dir | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | and it was enough | 06:15 |
| pupnik_ | thanks | 06:15 |
| pupnik_ | somehow i have xmkmf in scratchbox | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | xmkmf is a nightmare of the xfree | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | was deprecated with modular x.org | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 06:16 |
| pupnik_ | thanks man | 06:18 |
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| pupnik_ | Apr 2 2008 xvkbd_2.8-1_armel.deb | 06:19 |
| KotCzarny | but it still needs fixing | 06:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:20 |
| KotCzarny | or it's already packaged by someone? | 06:20 |
| pupnik_ | i don't think so | 06:20 |
| pupnik_ | just built it | 06:20 |
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| pupnik_ | i really like the full keyboard layout | 06:25 |
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| pupnik_ | KotCzarny: how about a loadable kernel module that just draws the alphanumeric glyphs on the framebuffer no matter what X is doing? :) | 06:36 |
| KotCzarny | that's what lcuk is aiming for | 06:37 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:37 |
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| KotCzarny | http://matchbox-project.org/documentation/developers/matchbox-key.txt | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:40 |
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| pupnik_ | KotCzarny: http://pupnik.de/transp_keybd_Nokia_770.jpg | 07:02 |
| pupnik_ | hmm i screwed up the background pic | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | what's that? | 07:02 |
| KotCzarny | i mean the kb | 07:02 |
| pupnik_ | i just drew it | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | make outlines wider | 07:03 |
| pupnik_ | yeah it's just to show the idea | 07:03 |
| pupnik_ | but the resolution is exactly 800 wide, so it would be readable i think | 07:04 |
| KotCzarny | maybe inverted colors too | 07:05 |
| pupnik_ | yes either white/black or black white - preferable provide both schemes | 07:05 |
| KotCzarny | my google skills fail me | 07:07 |
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| Italodance | hi | 07:32 |
| opendeep | hi | 07:32 |
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| WorkingOnWise | can i just copy the directory with all my man and info pages from my ubuntu laptop to my tablet? man on the n800 is a bit lean... | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | but docpurge probably will remove them anyway | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:39 |
| WorkingOnWise | grrrr....how do I stop that? I want the man pages, and I have 3GB free still.... | 07:41 |
| WorkingOnWise | so i have plenty of space... | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | install them somewhere else than /usr/man | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | for example to /media/mmc2/man | 07:42 |
| Italodance | autoexec.cfg where is this file? | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | then read man page how to setup man for a new folder | 07:42 |
| WorkingOnWise | cool....thanks | 07:42 |
| Italodance | KotCzarny? | 07:44 |
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| KotCzarny | italodance: it's a linux | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | you should really learn linux basics | 07:45 |
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| Italodance | just tell me where can i find autoexec.cfg? | 07:45 |
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| Italodance | it is on internal memory and not for mmc1/2 | 07:51 |
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| WorkingOnWise | afaik linux has no autoexec.cfg.... if there is one you should be able to find more that you want to know about it with a google search | 07:53 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: i've done it, whoo! | 07:54 |
| KotCzarny | now.. the hiding part ;) | 07:55 |
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| pupnik_ | very nice | 07:55 |
| KotCzarny | i have put a binary in the usual place | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | start with -geometry -1-1 | 07:56 |
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| KotCzarny | Downloaded: 939,339,582 bytes in 2747 files | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook mirrored | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | now lets have fun with extras ;) | 07:57 |
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| Lucas_simao | someone here works with carman : | 08:00 |
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| Italodance | WorkingOnWise OK! | 08:02 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, xvkbd is fun with osso-xterm | 08:03 |
| KotCzarny | sending enter turn builtin osk on/off | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | *grin* | 08:04 |
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| KaaLi | hey | 08:58 |
| KaaLi | is n810 wimax edition still released.. :D | 08:58 |
| KaaLi | *announced | 09:00 |
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| ralann | lol | 09:08 |
| ralann | it's not midnight everywhere yet | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | at nokia hq it is! | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:08 |
| ralann | true | 09:08 |
| ralann | i'll still not get the wimax | 09:08 |
| KaaLi | i live in the same country.. | 09:08 |
| KaaLi | 9am it is | 09:09 |
| ralann | 11pm | 09:09 |
| KaaLi | altho i dont need wimax.. about to get new phone and use 3g.. | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | 2am | 09:09 |
| ralann | i have evdo and am looking at one of the docking cradles | 09:10 |
| KaaLi | 1mbit costs 19,90 euros per month | 09:10 |
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| KaaLi | how's the pricing elsewhere | 09:13 |
| ralann | no wimax here... yet | 09:13 |
| KaaLi | i was talkin about about 3g | 09:13 |
| KaaLi | n wimax here either | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/04/01/microsoft_takes_a_deep_breath_ooxml_now_an_iso_iec_standard/ | 09:14 |
| KotCzarny | bad karma. | 09:14 |
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| dieman_ | < -- really dumb | 09:46 |
| dieman_ | forgot about the internal flash drive issue | 09:46 |
| dieman_ | backed up to it and reflashed | 09:47 |
| dieman_ | and notice, doh, my backup ain't there | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:47 |
| dieman_ | yeah | 09:47 |
| dieman_ | doh | 09:47 |
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| ralann | ouch | 09:57 |
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| dieman_ | my tablet was so crufted out | 10:13 |
| dieman_ | after 2 months of plugging everything in and out of it | 10:14 |
| dieman_ | for software | 10:14 |
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| wom- | dieman_: whats the "internal flash drive" issue? | 10:17 |
| dieman_ | some of the n810's shipped had their fat parition set larger than the physical device | 10:18 |
| dieman_ | so if you did a bit of writing to it, at some point you'd have a bad filesystem | 10:18 |
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| wom- | oh, well good to know | 10:24 |
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| wom- | i have been trying to find 8GB mmc card that would come with n+1 kinds of adapaters. so that i can plug-it in even to my gramma's cassette player :P | 10:26 |
| wom- | but no luck from local shops | 10:26 |
| thux_n800 | is there mbmon or similar to os2008? | 10:26 |
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| thux_n800 | any sensors in chips? | 10:28 |
| doc|home | yep | 10:28 |
| doc|home | there's a sensors app too | 10:28 |
| doc|home | *applet | 10:28 |
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| doc|home | not sure of the name though, look on garage.maemo.org | 10:29 |
| thux_n800 | thanks | 10:29 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:49 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: ping | 10:57 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:02 |
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| X-Fade_ | Morning.. | 11:04 |
| X-Fade_ | Jaffa: Thanks for the blog post ;) Now we just need some people to add their PC applications. | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | huh? | 11:05 |
| X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: I add a PC category to the downloads section of maemo.org. | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | define 'pc category' | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | because i see m$ windows | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:06 |
| X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: | 11:07 |
| X-Fade_ | KotCzarny: OS 2006 | 11:07 |
| X-Fade_ | OS 2007 | 11:07 |
| X-Fade_ | OS 2008 | 11:07 |
| X-Fade_ | PC | 11:07 |
| X-Fade_ | Categories | 11:07 |
| X-Fade_ | * 2 applications in Multimedia | 11:07 |
| X-Fade_ | Add an application to the catalog. | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | ah. | 11:07 |
| X-Fade_ | OS & SDK | 11:07 |
| X-Fade_ | OS images to reflash your tablet: N810 - N800 - 770. | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | i understand now | 11:07 |
| X-Fade_ | maemo SDK for developers: Chinook - Bora - Gregale. | 11:07 |
| X-Fade_ | Damn.. sorry guys ;) | 11:07 |
| X-Fade_ | Copy-paste gone wrong :( | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | pc like video converter for m$ win? | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:08 |
| X-Fade_ | Yeah, non-tablet software.. | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | but useful for IT | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:08 |
| X-Fade_ | Yep | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | like diablo2 (over vnc) | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:08 |
| X-Fade_ | Uhu ;) | 11:09 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, if anyone needs stable osk here's one: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xvkbd/xvkbd | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | has working 'alt' and rest of the keys | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | doesn't barf like xkbd | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:18 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:20 |
| KotCzarny | bon bon | 11:20 |
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| WormFood | how in the fuck do I get maemo weather to let me add a station? I get nothing for "Country", and it does not send anything over the internet. | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | stop saying fuck | 11:30 |
| WormFood | in the past it just took forever for it to give me a country list, now it gives me nothing | 11:31 |
| X-Fade_ | Did you guys notice that there will be an Update All button in the new Application Manager? And also updates notification? | 11:31 |
| WormFood | it would be nice if I had applications that didn't take an act of god to make work properly | 11:31 |
| WormFood | I had it working before I reinstalled everything, but now I can't get it to do shit | 11:32 |
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| WormFood | I'm monitoring my network traffic, and it is not sending anything to get a list of countries online | 11:32 |
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| WormFood | nobody knows how to make this god damn thing work like it is supposed to? | 11:36 |
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| WormFood | anyone want to buy a N800...less than 3 months old | 11:40 |
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| KotCzarny | wf: how much? | 11:41 |
| WormFood | I don't know | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 11:42 |
| WormFood | I have a 4 gig card with it too | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | i don't need a sd card | 11:42 |
| WormFood | I'm just sick of this shit! | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | you can reuse it too | 11:42 |
| WormFood | I have nothing else that uses SD | 11:42 |
| WormFood | the ONLY reason I bought this SD was for the N800 | 11:42 |
| blafasel | Bummer. | 11:42 |
| WormFood | my camera uses CF | 11:42 |
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| WormFood | the damn thing won't turn on with the old kernels | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | why should you use old kernels | 11:43 |
| WormFood | I have problems with the wireless....most of the time it will not get an address from the dhcp server | 11:43 |
| WormFood | I expect it to work when it is brand new | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | it works for me | 11:43 |
| WormFood | I must use the new kernels if I want to turn it on | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | and probably for many, many other people | 11:43 |
| WormFood | when I'm on a 15 hour plane trip, and I have to turn it off for take off, and I can't turn it back on, it gets very frustrating | 11:44 |
| Blafasel | WormFood: What are you trying to archive with your rant about a device in the channel that basically contains only owners/supporters? ;) | 11:44 |
| WormFood | and that was BEFORE the new kernel | 11:44 |
| WormFood | I'd be happy if someone told me how to make maemo weather give me a list of countries and locations I can choose from | 11:45 |
| WormFood | but even basic simple shit does not work | 11:45 |
| WormFood | I remember last time it seemed to take forever for it to update that list, but now it does not seem to update at all | 11:45 |
| jani | Blafasel: to prove that we are all morons perhaps | 11:45 |
| WormFood | fuck you jani, I never said nor suggested that | 11:46 |
| X-Fade_ | WormFood: It probably fetches weather from weather.com or another source like that. Perhaps the server is slow/down? | 11:46 |
| WormFood | X-Fade_, I'm monitoring the network traffic | 11:46 |
| WormFood | it is not slow or down | 11:46 |
| jani | WormFood: mm .. if your wlan is down how can it update the stations ? or these 2 cases arent happening at the same time ? | 11:46 |
| WormFood | I enter a usa zip code and it fetches weather just fine | 11:46 |
| X-Fade_ | WormFood: Please be a little more polite. | 11:46 |
| WormFood | jani, I said it won't fetch an ip address from dhcp most of the time | 11:46 |
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| WormFood | X-Fade_, jani shouldn't put words in my mouth | 11:47 |
| WormFood | I know there are some smart people here, and you guys have been helpful in the past | 11:47 |
| X-Fade_ | WormFood: Count to 10 before reacting ;) Makes life a lot more pleasant for everybody. | 11:48 |
| WormFood | I'm just not in the mood to fight with this shit when it should be simple and straight forward | 11:48 |
| WormFood | oh yeah, and when I give it my zip code, it still does not work....real nice! | 11:49 |
| WormFood | no doubt it wants something other than my zipcode | 11:49 |
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| Blafasel | Huh? You claim confusing things. Most of the time you get no IP address via dhcp. Is this one of these cases? It works with a USA zip? It doesn't with your zip (whereever you are) though? | 11:53 |
| WormFood | Blafasel, you're not paying attention...I said the network does not work as it should as MOST of time it will not fetch an IP from the DHCP server | 11:54 |
| WormFood | obviously that is not my problem now | 11:54 |
| Blafasel | You are currently only ranting about "shit", adding a "fuck" or "damn" randomly. Describe your problem a little less confusing and less emotional and someone might be able to help. | 11:54 |
| Blafasel | WormFood: Obviously nothing is obvious right now. | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | even that obviousliness isn't obvious | 11:54 |
| Blafasel | StackOverflow | 11:55 |
| Cptn-N800 | Lol green people | 11:55 |
| WormFood | I'm not in usa, so as expected, it does not recognize my zip code | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | core dump! core dump! | 11:55 |
| WormFood | I manually add a station and give it a usa zip code, and that works fine | 11:55 |
| WormFood | it WAS working 1-2 months ago | 11:55 |
| Blafasel | I have to ask the default support question: What did you change? | 11:56 |
| WormFood | now I have reinstalled my entire system to update to the newest OS2008, because I was unlucky enough to have one of the shit N800s that won't turn on | 11:56 |
| Cptn-N800 | Maybe if you were nicer to it and used less swear words it would turn on | 11:57 |
| WormFood | maybe if I grind it under the heel of my boot it will turn on | 11:57 |
| wom- | well, whatever turns it on :) | 11:58 |
| Cptn-N800 | Yeah do that... Then youll have no tablet and it could go back to sivilized chat in here | 11:58 |
| WormFood | that was the ONLY reason I upgraded it to the newest OS2008 | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | wormfood: just sell it and buy iphone | 11:59 |
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| Blafasel | So - which version of omweather are you talking about anyway? | 11:59 |
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| WormFood | I really had no desire to update to the newest OS2008 and reinstall everything....the only reason I did that is to fix the problem that was supposed to fix | 11:59 |
| Blafasel | 0.19.6 I presume? | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | n8x0 is more for people who like to hack it | 11:59 |
| WormFood | whatever is the newest that downloads from the installer | 11:59 |
| WormFood | I love to hack stuff, but I did not buy this to hack | 11:59 |
| Cptn-N800 | Or for people who dont go hulk when something doesnt work | 11:59 |
| WormFood | I bought this for one reason, and one reason only....to make sip phone calls over the internet on it | 12:00 |
| WormFood | and I'm really pissed about that, because it works beautifully on my home network, but when I'm on the other side of the planet I can't do ANYTHING to get sip working (and yes I forwarded all the proper ports) | 12:00 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Go home and call from there then | 12:01 |
| WormFood | this is some bullshit! I uninstall omweather, and reinstall it, and it says I need to reboot....so I reboot, and now all the countries are there | 12:01 |
| jaska | heh | 12:02 |
| Cptn-N800 | Does pidgin have ignore user for irc? | 12:02 |
| WormFood | it never said I need to reboot after I installed omweather the first time | 12:02 |
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| Blafasel | Give me a sec. I'm just installing the (useless?) omweather stuff. | 12:02 |
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| jaska | that it needs to reboot is slightly wtf in itself | 12:02 |
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| WormFood | Cptn-N800, it is a normal feature of irc, try /ignore | 12:02 |
| jaska | i think freenode might even have serverside ignore | 12:03 |
| WormFood | yeah, I was thinking the same thing too...why the hell would a weather app need to reboot the device...is this windows? | 12:03 |
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| WormFood | Blafasel, when it worked it was great, I really liked it a lot and used it all the time (not that I really trust weather reports, but my girl liked it) | 12:04 |
| Cptn-N800 | I have the most leet weather system ever | 12:04 |
| Cptn-N800 | A window :) | 12:04 |
| wom- | thats pretty high tech :) | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't support temp. reading | 12:05 |
| wom- | real time updates etc. | 12:05 |
| WormFood | I remember the weather rock | 12:05 |
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| WormFood | when it is wet, it is raining | 12:05 |
| Cptn-N800 | Real time update, better accuracy, amimated preview | 12:05 |
| WormFood | throw the weather rock, and it is animated then ;) | 12:05 |
| KotCzarny | better? | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | i disagree | 12:06 |
| WormFood | but one of the things I like about the weather app (that I don't get with a window), is I plug in my home zip to see the weather there | 12:07 |
| KotCzarny | wormfood, for a start try pinging that site from device | 12:07 |
| WormFood | I find it interesting that many times my home area has very similar weather to me on the other side of the planet | 12:07 |
| WormFood | KotCzarny, I know I can hit the site just fine because it updates the weather when I manually give it my home (usa) zip | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | then check if they support anything else than usa | 12:08 |
| WormFood | this is nice...now it lets me select the country, but it won't select the province | 12:08 |
| WormFood | KotCzarny, I know for a fact it supported my country in the past....I was using it last month | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | software changes | 12:09 |
| WormFood | did they change something to cause my problems? | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | do they have client for windows/linux too? | 12:09 |
| WormFood | not sure, I never use it on my laptop | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | then check | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | if it works on the laptop you can try finding out if there were any changes lately | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | in their software | 12:10 |
| Tobotras | N810 wimax edition. No N800 :( | 12:11 |
| WormFood | and it won't let me select "ä¸å›½" as my country ;) | 12:11 |
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| WormFood | actually it does let me select "ä¸å›½", but under its western name | 12:12 |
| WormFood | did I overlook it, or is there no "reboot" option from the GUI? ("init 6" works tho) | 12:14 |
| Jiten | try pushing the power button? | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | it's hidden | 12:14 |
| WormFood | the power button only lets you turn it off | 12:15 |
| WormFood | I mean, in addition to other things | 12:15 |
| WormFood | KotCzarny, are you serious, or just joking? | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | you can enable that option in power menu | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | just google for it | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | it's a simple uncomment in one of the config files | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | if you're lazy just kill some system process | 12:16 |
| WormFood | not very user friendly for the non-geek | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | non-geek shouldn't reboot it on a whim | 12:16 |
| Jiten | would a non-geek be obsessed about finding restart when there is shutdown? | 12:16 |
| Cptn-N800 | Lol | 12:17 |
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| WormFood | true Jiten, the non-geek wouldn't question the lack of a reboot | 12:18 |
| WormFood | KotCzarny, it isn't a whim, when apps require a reboot | 12:18 |
| * WormFood sighs | 12:18 | |
| WormFood | this is linux...why would anything require a reboot other than a hardware or kernel change? | 12:19 |
| Cptn-N800 | Just turn it off and on again | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | it's maemo | 12:19 |
| Cptn-N800 | or do i need to call the it crowd to tell you that? :D | 12:19 |
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| Lynoure | WormFood: sometimes mystical memory problems are most efficiently taken care of a reboot, at least. | 12:19 |
| Jiten | it's still possible to make a package with some initialization scripts that only get run on boot but ... that sounds a bit weird. | 12:20 |
| WormFood | seriously, the only time I reboot linux (on my desktop/server) is for a kernel parameter that can only be changed at boottime, a kernel change, or a hardware change. | 12:20 |
| WormFood | even on a server/desktop, when something wants to run a boottime, I just manually run it | 12:21 |
| Cptn-N800 | Reboot on maemo fixes shit. Thats life :p | 12:21 |
| Jiten | on desktop I tend to find and run them manually but on n800 it's much easier to just reboot. | 12:21 |
| WormFood | I can't imagine why omweather would want a reboot (or I can't imagine any legit reason) | 12:21 |
| WormFood | and it won't let me select a province for my country...I suspect that field is only for canada or something | 12:22 |
| Cptn-N800 | Make a bookmark to an online weather site | 12:22 |
| jani | WormFood: btw, when you arent getting that ip from dhcp, is not normal wlan or wimax ? | 12:23 |
| WormFood | anyways, it is almost 5:30, and I need to do some work before 6pm | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | from maemo: | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | You can also edit /etc/systemui/systemui.xml and uncomment reboot item so it in not inside <!-- -->. | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | After one reboot you have 'reboot' item in power key menu. But true that this can't 'reboot your tablet without using the tablet power buttton'. | 12:23 |
| WormFood | jani, it is a normal wlan | 12:23 |
| jani | ok. | 12:23 |
| WormFood | thanks KotCzarny, that was the file I was looking for I couldn't find on google | 12:24 |
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| WormFood | jani, I was here not long ago, and we (me and other guys) were trying to figure out the root of the dhcp problem | 12:24 |
| WormFood | I think it happens most of the time with weak signal APs, but it was happening to me with a strong signal, but I can't reproduce the problem now | 12:25 |
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| crashanddie | I know this is a long shot, but none of you ever had to work with tcpstream (cc++) | 13:29 |
| crashanddie | ? | 13:31 |
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| hullfandan | Hello all. Could someone recommend a good tutorial for writing makefiles? I am started to get confused with what cflags/libs I need to add to the makefile to me able to import certain libraries. | 13:35 |
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| Tobotras | hullfandan: this is not a "tutorial for writing makefiles", this is "user's guide of certain library". | 13:52 |
| Tobotras | hullfandan: if you're using GNOME infrastructure, correct make options are fetched from pkg-config. If not, deal with each library individually | 13:53 |
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| hullfandan | I am very new to makefiles so I just wanted a general tutorial so I understand the fundamentals | 13:57 |
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| hullfandan | I see what you mean about libraries though. I managed to add sdl calls as my app is hopefully going to be a full screen game | 13:58 |
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| hullfandan | Tobotras: Thanks, I will look into pkg-config, I've not used that yet I don't think. I have just been manually adding libs/cflags soo far | 13:59 |
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| Tobotras | pkg-config --libs glib-2.0 | 14:00 |
| Tobotras | -lglib-2.0 | 14:00 |
| Tobotras | hullfandan: that's your linking flag | 14:00 |
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| hullfandan | oh yeah :) | 14:01 |
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| hullfandan | I then add things like sdl-config | 14:01 |
| Tobotras | no, you add things line pkg-config sdl :) | 14:02 |
| hullfandan | LIBS = `pkg-config glib-2.0 --libs` `sdl-config --libs` -lSDL | 14:02 |
| Tobotras | If SDL comes with sdl<something>.pc file | 14:02 |
| hullfandan | seems to work | 14:02 |
| hullfandan | more through trial and error though probably :D | 14:02 |
| Tobotras | ah | 14:03 |
| hullfandan | starting to get confused now i am adding osso and other libs, etc | 14:03 |
| Tobotras | hullfandan: you directly typed "-lSDL", why do you need '*config'? :) | 14:03 |
| hullfandan | pass :) | 14:04 |
| Tobotras | hullfandan: pkg-config --libs libosso | 14:04 |
| hullfandan | so I would add that like this 'pkg-config --libs libosso' after the other libs. | 14:05 |
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| hullfandan | The reason i asked about tutorial is that I have seen makefiles where they use $(name of library) as a variable | 14:06 |
| hullfandan | I wanted to do soemthing like that to keep things tidier too | 14:06 |
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| hullfandan | Tobotras: So where so I find that libosso is the way to add the osso library? I can;t see it in the doxygene docs for osso so where do I find this information for new libraries? | 14:10 |
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| msh_ | anyone know how to "stop matchbox with dsmetool" as referred to at http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.devel/2005-10/msg00308.html ?? | 14:29 |
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| zuh | msh_: 'source /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.sh stop' for example | 14:34 |
| msh_ | aah, I was running it as root. | 14:34 |
| msh_ | thanks :) | 14:34 |
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| Jaffa | http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/UI/Designs/TouchScreen/Proposal6 looks quite cool. Anyone played with Mozilla's fennenc build? | 14:38 |
| jani | hullfandan: i dont understand your question =) | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I was just installing it to test ;) | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | 10.3MB download though.. | 14:45 |
| Jaffa | Ouch. Won't be doing that over 3G | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | I'll let you know how it works/feels. | 14:46 |
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| X-Fade | Installer is pegged at 100%cpu for 3 minutes already and the progress bar is at 10% :) | 14:47 |
| Jaffa | Ah, I now have wifi at work :-) | 14:47 |
| Jaffa | I'll let you play first ;-) | 14:47 |
| X-Fade | Hmm it creates 2 icons. Minefield and Fennec | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | First startup is about 30 seconds ;) | 14:50 |
| Jaffa | I was intrigued by the comment on the design doc which said double-tap was zoom. Would be cool to see if that's Mobile Safari like | 14:50 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm it doesn't scroll visually. It only updates the image when you let go of the screen. | 14:52 |
| Jaffa | That sounds entirely useless :) | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | Nah, it is not that bad. It scrolls the amount you have moved your stylus. | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | But it is not 'live'. | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | Ah, it is just that it is eating too much cpu. | 14:53 |
| Jaffa | ah | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | It has kinetic scrolling :) | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | Which is seriously cpu-intensive.. | 14:54 |
| * Jaffa wonders if iPhone-like fudging (render as blocky image and scroll that, then crisp up the display) would be effective | 14:54 | |
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| X-Fade | It doesn't seem to zoom on double-click yet. | 14:55 |
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| X-Fade | It doesn't seem to do zooming at all yet. | 14:56 |
| X-Fade | One thing to notice about Fennec is that it doesn't have any scrollbars. | 14:58 |
| X-Fade | Ah! It does do zooming, you just need to slow double click.. like 1 sec apart. | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | Sweet ;) | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | And kinetic scrolling on maemo.org is doable, on slashdot.org it is just too heavy. | 15:01 |
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| Jaffa | The UI spec claimed they'd appear only during dragging. What that means for positional indicators when you're not dragging, I'm not sure. | 15:05 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: is it an HTML block-element zoom? | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, I can double click on columns and they zoom to full screen.. | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | But the scrolling doesn't show the translucent scrollbars. | 15:06 |
| Jaffa | So allits "it's so fast, oooh" comments were - to be frank - a pile of crap. Doesn't matter how fast your JS engine is if the UI is as slow as treacle ;-) | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it has some nice features. But rendering seems very slow.. | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | Microb is 10 times faster in rendering it seems. | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | Which is pretty weird. | 15:07 |
| sp3000 | whoops | 15:11 |
| * Jaffa is installing it now | 15:11 | |
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| Jaffa | It's not *that* slow. Kinetic scrolling is nice | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, 2fps perhaps? | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | Try slashdot.org or planet.gnome.org ;) | 15:17 |
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| Jaffa | Double-tap zooming seems a bit unreliable in detecting the taps | 15:19 |
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| X-Fade | You need to tap in the exact same position on the screen. | 15:19 |
| Jaffa | yeah | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | You can also drag all images btw ;) | 15:20 |
| Jaffa | Although it's slower than microb, I feel a lot more comofrtable using it knowing that a drag isn't going to jitter or randomly select text | 15:20 |
| Jaffa | Viewing p.m.o on microb is an unfun experience trying to drag-scroll | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | Yeah on some divs it messes up.. | 15:20 |
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| X-Fade | Oh it does that too in fennec.. | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | Try to scroll when you click inside a bubble.. | 15:22 |
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| Jaffa | Oh yeah, it's just as crap - if not more so. | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | I said the bubbles were a bad idea ;-) | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | Hmm no, it seems that it is a redraw problem.. | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | nice | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | Redraw costs too much cpu and so it looks messed up. But if you wait 10 secs, it gets better ;) | 15:25 |
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| Jaffa | For a mobile device, p.m.o is a real trial of torture - ironic really | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | Oh yeah, it's caught up now | 15:26 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Don't test it without the cpu applet running ;) | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | So you can see what the device is doing.. | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | :) | 15:27 |
| Jaffa | SSH in and top | 15:27 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: I think the browser has potential, but I would really like to see what Webkit will do on the device. | 15:32 |
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| solmumaha | X-Fade: tried Midori? | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | solmumaha: Not yet. | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Minefield that comes with fennec does render faster. So the kinetic scrolling thing is slowing it down. | 15:37 |
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| X-Fade | solmumaha: Do you know if midori can also run with the webkit that is in extras? | 15:37 |
| solmumaha | nope, i tried Bundyos packages | 15:40 |
| solmumaha | i guess it doesn't hurt to try | 15:41 |
| solmumaha | it worked quite well for such a quick port | 15:41 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: with Diablo bringing WRT support, we might see a push for S60 compatibility and so a WebKit renderer | 15:43 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, there seem to be webkit package in extras optimized for the tablet. But why only the libs ;) | 15:44 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: have you played with the kinetic scrolling in Diablo in libgtkmozembed (and microb)? | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I don't have access to that :( | 16:24 |
| Jaffa | :( | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | I'm just a community member. | 16:25 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: shame | 16:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if all the 3rd party browsers didn't totally suck UI-wise. | 16:49 |
| dark_link | is the n800 unbrickeable? | 16:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'course not. | 16:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a statement that you really can't make for any mobile device. | 16:53 |
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| dark_link | could I brik my n800 using the flasher? flashing something wrong? | 16:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | From joe-user's perspective, though, (as long as they don't do stupid things) the answer is effectively, yes. | 16:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | What flasher are you using? | 16:54 |
| dark_link | flasher.3.0 | 16:56 |
| ||cw | dark_link: no, you'd have to hose the bootloader to truely brick it | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, assuming you flash with: ./flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO Image> -f -R | 16:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | and don't pull the cable or knock out the power half-way through, you'll be fine. | 16:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The danger area is only when it's flashing the NOLO bootloader. | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's very small | 16:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | so the danger window is only a fraction of a second. | 16:57 |
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| dark_link | so when you update from os2007 to os2008 it flashes a new NOLO bootloader? | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 16:59 |
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| TheFool | anyone try 2008HE for the 770 yet? | 17:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like it. | 17:00 |
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| dark_link | and n800 with a bad bootloader will be unable to flash? | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just a bit of an anecdote, I've flasher 4 devices (2 770s, 2 N800s) more than 50 times all together. | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never had a single bricking. | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1 or 2 flashings have failed partway through (while flashing the rootfs, mostly my own fault in both cases), but nothing that a second attempt didn't solve. | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, really, although there's always the possibility of something going wrong, the chance for it is about zero. | 17:03 |
| dark_link | I can see that flasher has an option to flash NOLO secondary bootloader image, what about the first? | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | NOLO is composed of two parts | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | secondary and 2nd | 17:05 |
| dark_link | ok | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | You just want to flash the whole FIASCO image, though. | 17:05 |
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| dark_link | I want to tray to flash another kernel, just to try. So if I use only the --kernel option, It could be reflasheable after? | 17:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want to just boot it. | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | hang on one sec | 17:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 -k <zImage> -l -R | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is what you want | 17:08 |
| dark_link | ok thanks | 17:08 |
| dark_link | and I've seen that the n800 omap has some functions like 3D, video rendering, etc. They are not used now, are they? | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | No drivers. | 17:10 |
| dark_link | ok | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Potentially due to technical issues, definitely due to performance issues. | 17:10 |
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| dark_link | opengl would be great | 17:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Definitely | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | but the LCD controller is limiting. | 17:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You certainly wouldn't be able to run at 800x480 with good performance | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | 640x480 is suspect, too. | 17:12 |
| dark_link | why this happens? | 17:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, the built-in controller (which we're not using) is limited to 640x480 | 17:16 |
| Spakman | I'd like to change the status of my Garage project from Alpha to Beta, but I can't find how to do it! Does anyone know? | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the 800x480 3rd party LCD controller isn't a particularly fast one. | 17:16 |
| dark_link | GeneralAntilles, thanks for sharing all your knowledge | 17:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 17:17 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: why not? | 17:18 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: as in why would the powervr not be able to provide reasonable performance at 800x640? | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it doesn't have enough vram for that? | 17:18 |
| lardman | My impression was that we are still just below the lcd controller memory bandwidth | 17:19 |
| lardman | ah, but we don't know how much it has do we? | 17:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain the frame on the pvr is limited to 640x480 | 17:19 |
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| lardman | perhaps, I'd be interested to know where the figure came from | 17:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, partially it's a supposition based on the fact that the built-in controller is limited to 640x480, and partially I remember hearing it from a number of different people. | 17:21 |
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| lardman | http://www.realviewtools.com/news/5087.html says that the one from ARM supports up to QVGA, so I can see your reasoning that the Ti one would support the same as the OMAP on-chip fb | 17:23 |
| lardman | I was just curious if some extra information had come to light | 17:23 |
| Navi | That's the MBX | 17:23 |
| lardman | we also have the mbx | 17:24 |
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| lardman | I wonder where a size limitation would be imposed? The powervr mbx is supposed to use internal memory for its processing, then presumably writes to the framebuffer | 17:25 |
| lardman | I can see that it might be designed for X number of objects with such and such a texture res, etc., but not necessarily an actual output res limit | 17:25 |
| lardman | or am I going off in the wrong direction here? | 17:26 |
| lardman | bbiab | 17:26 |
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| Navi | QVGA is only 320x240 anyways :/ | 17:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The *VGA designations are irritating. | 17:28 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/transp_keybd_Nokia_770.jpg i'm hoping that we get a windowing system that uses opengl natively, so transparent windows are hardware accelerated | 17:30 |
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| Navi | lol | 17:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What's wrong with the hardware keyboard? | 17:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | OmniWeb is gonna die horribly if they don't fix the focus bug at some point. | 17:31 |
| pupnik | i prefer hardware keyboards | 17:31 |
| Navi | :P | 17:31 |
| pupnik | but people who want an onscreen keyboard don't have great choices for non-hildon apps | 17:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming no future maemo device lacks a hardware keyboard, why do we need the transparent thumbboard? :P | 17:31 |
| pupnik | you think this is a safe assumption? i'd love that | 17:31 |
| Navi | 'cuz I don't like sliding out the keyboard all the time | 17:31 |
| * Jaffa imagines they all will now | 17:32 | |
| Jaffa | Unless h/w space gets really cramped | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd rather not have a slider | 17:32 |
| * Navi is the minority | 17:32 | |
| GeneralAntilles | but I don't see them taking out the hardware keyboard. | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno, maybe if they diversify some. | 17:32 |
| * Jaffa is itching for confirmation closer to the N810 WME release of it being step 4. Then we're probably < 12 months away from step 5 :-) | 17:32 | |
| Navi | woo | 17:32 |
| Navi | I don't want another N800 rehash. | 17:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | a 3.5" model would probably have some issues fitting a keyboard. | 17:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, there's no way it's not step 4. | 17:33 |
| jeddy3 | what is this about 5 steps? ...of what? | 17:33 |
| Navi | Nokia's five step progam to kicking a habit | 17:33 |
| pupnik | i was just typing that | 17:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 17:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 5 steps to breaking us of our tablet addiction as they dumb them down more and more for the masses? :P | 17:34 |
| Navi | yay | 17:34 |
| TPC | what is step 5 supposed to bring that we don't already have? | 17:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uh, OMAP3? | 17:34 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: true, it not being step 4 would be a *real* surprise. | 17:34 |
| Jaffa | A wondrous new UI which is perfect (allegedly) | 17:34 |
| pupnik | what I fear is that the resolution advantage will disappear and maemo will dry up versus the winCE hordes | 17:34 |
| jeddy3 | ah, 5 OMAP3-devices, then next generation? | 17:34 |
| Jaffa | It may be being over-hyped a little ;-) | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also, a lot of comments Texrat has made indicates that step 5 is coming sooner than later. | 17:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, jeddy3? | 17:35 |
| Navi | \o/ | 17:35 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, yes? :) | 17:35 |
| Navi | jeddy3, step five is the most market-usable | 17:35 |
| Navi | "flawless" | 17:36 |
| pupnik | i hope that means they get pushed into all the cell-phone stores | 17:36 |
| jeddy3 | GeneralAntilles, forgive me for being ignorant | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Step 1: 770, Step 2: N800, Step 3: N810, Step 4: N810WE, Step 5: Presumably N900 with OMAP3 | 17:36 |
| jeddy3 | Navi, THANKS! | 17:36 |
| TPC | so pretty much just better graphics performance? | 17:36 |
| Navi | They should go with xscale :D | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better all around performance. | 17:36 |
| TPC | nothing I care about then, I would be happy with a N800 with a cli interface only :P | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~600MHz versus 400MHz | 17:36 |
| pupnik | I think their plan is not so much hardware stages but product maturity stages | 17:36 |
| Navi | TPC, well, there's also the ability to play H.264 | 17:37 |
| TPC | thats nice I suppose | 17:37 |
| Navi | and 720p without scaling down | 17:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | TPC, why didn't you just buy yourself a used Zaurus, then? | 17:37 |
| Jaffa | Yes, step 5 is the end-consumer big-marketing-push type device, i.e. what Apple think they have with the iPhone | 17:37 |
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| pi_ | ga help | 17:37 |
| Navi | at least, if they use the 3440 | 17:37 |
| TPC | GeneralAntilles, because I already have a N800, which works fine | 17:37 |
| pupnik | is it conceivable that n900 would have tv-out (analog, hdmi whatever) | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's certainly not out of the question | 17:38 |
| Navi | pupnik, the OMAP chips support it | 17:38 |
| pupnik | i think the soc supports it | 17:38 |
| Navi | nokia just needs to implement it | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4-wire 3.5mm jack, anyone? :P | 17:38 |
| TPC | I hope they bring back SD cards, I would own a 810 right now (to get the keyboard) if it wasn't for the fact that it doesn't take them | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | TPC, they wont. | 17:38 |
| jeddy3 | pupnik, or via their "nobounds? | 17:38 |
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| TPC | I own tons of SD cards already, don't want to spend alot of money bying minisd/microsd | 17:38 |
| Navi | jeddy3, no, not nobounds | 17:39 |
| Navi | real t-out | 17:39 |
| Navi | s/t/tv/ | 17:39 |
| infobot | Navi meant: real tv-out | 17:39 |
| pupnik | being able to show friends movies/video on a tv or computer monitor would be nice | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I think my poll only managed to confuse things. :P | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | We shoulda stuck with N810WM. :\ | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | erm, N810WE | 17:40 |
| Navi | pupnik, especially if it's the OMAP3440 | 17:40 |
| Navi | 720p output :P | 17:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think it could handle that, Navi. | 17:40 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, sure it can! | 17:40 |
| * Navi believes | 17:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | At least, looking at the OMAP3430/40 spec sheet, anyway. | 17:40 |
| pupnik | They have hardware decoders for some hi-res video formats | 17:41 |
| pupnik | the TI literature advertises 720p decoding | 17:41 |
| Navi | yeah | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Decoding wouldn't be an issue | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | but getting it to a TV | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's either the s-vide/composite output | 17:41 |
| pupnik | blah | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | or using the second 640x480 display for VGA or something. | 17:41 |
| pupnik | there's no micro standard for hdmi? | 17:41 |
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| Navi | http://www.vastercable.com/index.php?cPath=115 | 17:42 |
| hrw | TPC: SD cards are huge | 17:42 |
| Cptnodegard | im in love with my new toy: http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/n800-proporta.jpg | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need adv-backlight, Cptnodegard. | 17:43 |
| Navi | pupnik, there are mini connectors for the HDMI spec | 17:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 17:43 | |
| GeneralAntilles | N810W/WE/WME | 17:43 |
| Navi | 10cm x 2.5cm or so | 17:44 |
| Navi | er | 17:44 |
| Navi | er | 17:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 17:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mini my ass! | 17:44 |
| Navi | 10mm x 2.5mm | 17:44 |
| Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Nice one | 17:46 |
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| Cptnodegard | [16:42] <GeneralAntilles> You need adv-backlight, Cptnodegard. <- why? | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Save statusbar space. | 17:50 |
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| rm_you | lol | 17:50 |
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| Cptnodegard | where does adv backlight put itself? | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Statusbar | 17:51 |
| Cptnodegard | then whats the point? o0 | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16531 | 17:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, did you get Extras access yet? | 17:53 |
| Cptnodegard | nice | 17:53 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: not to my knowledge >_> | 17:53 |
| rm_you | no one has emailed me about it | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bug X-Fade or something. :P | 17:53 |
| rm_you | i wish my n800 worked so i could actually work on that more <_< | 17:54 |
| Italodance | only Skype-to-Skype is possible? | 17:54 |
| rm_you | Italodance: you can call landlines / mobile phones via n800 Skype, if you buy minutes | 17:54 |
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| Italodance | rm_you cool! but how many time it needs? | 17:55 |
| rm_you | Italodance: you just pay by the minute, I think... I don't do it myself, as I have a seperate cellphone | 17:56 |
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| Italodance | rm_you hehe yes i have othwer nokia cellphone too,,,,just wanted to try and test it! | 17:56 |
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| Italodance | rm_you so skpe is not free for call to the cellphones???? | 17:58 |
| Italodance | *skype | 17:58 |
| hrw | never was | 17:58 |
| Italodance | ok! such a bad feel! | 17:59 |
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| Cptnodegard | installed, thx GeneralAntilles | 17:59 |
| rm_you | Skype is the same on n800 as it is on PC | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just pluggin' the wares. | 17:59 |
| rm_you | :P | 17:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, seriously, Extras! | 18:00 |
| rm_you | i know | 18:00 |
| Italodance | rm_you yeah i got it | 18:00 |
| rm_you | you're a dev on the project technically... You work on it :P | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk to X-Fade | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's the man with the plan these days. | 18:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't package anything over here. :P | 18:00 |
| rm_you | lol | 18:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Unless you want to buy me a new rig. | 18:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then I'd be happy to do it for you. | 18:01 |
| Italodance | rm_you is there any tool that can call to the phones? | 18:01 |
| rm_you | yes | 18:01 |
| Italodance | yes free app | 18:01 |
| Italodance | which? | 18:01 |
| Blafasel | Don't use skype. It's not open, it uses tons of bandwith and sucks in general. | 18:01 |
| rm_you | There was a thing involving Gizmo Project and GrandCentral | 18:01 |
| rm_you | i don't know if it still works | 18:01 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: N810W, N810WE or N810WME are fine with me. Nokia's URLs seem to use N810 WME - which thoughtfix also noticed and is using - so might be the best bet. | 18:02 |
| rm_you | I was using it for a while | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Texrat is saying that they use N810W internally. | 18:02 |
| rm_you | W/WE/WME? | 18:02 |
| Italodance | rm_you tnx so i should install Gizmo! | 18:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | or that "some" have, anyway. | 18:02 |
| rm_you | Italodance: it isn't that simple... there's a post about it somewhere on the forums... | 18:02 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: is that to do with the WIMAX tablet? | 18:02 |
| rm_you | I've been away for a week or two again, I miss all this stuff that happens! :P | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/ | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo gets official, too. | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Q2 2008" | 18:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which you should probably interpret as June 30th. | 18:04 |
| Daviey | GeneralAntilles: you expect it to be on time?! | 18:04 |
| Italodance | rm_you http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14536&highlight=free+call ! | 18:05 |
| Italodance | but not easy! | 18:06 |
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| rm_you | yeah, it's kind of annoying to set up and use | 18:06 |
| rm_you | but it works | 18:06 |
| Italodance | CONFUSED :S | 18:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then drop $10 for a few hundred Gizmo minutes. | 18:07 |
| Italodance | GeneralAntilles LOL | 18:07 |
| Blafasel | Why "lol"? | 18:07 |
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| Italodance | that's expensive | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | $10? | 18:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot cheaper than a landline or cellphone. | 18:11 |
| hrw | Italodance: that method works only if you live in US | 18:11 |
| Italodance | hrw oh what a pity! | 18:12 |
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| hrw | Italodance: I am used to that | 18:15 |
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| hrw | many of 'nice deals' means 'US only' | 18:16 |
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| Italodance | hrw which skype? | 18:17 |
| Blafasel | 10$ is expensive? | 18:18 |
| hrw | 02 17:11 < Italodance> rm_you http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14536&highlight=free+call | 18:18 |
| hrw | that trick I mean | 18:18 |
| Blafasel | What? That's about 6 Euro.. | 18:18 |
| Blafasel | You get two BigMacs for that. | 18:18 |
| hrw | Blafasel: if not more even | 18:19 |
| Italodance | y | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3 Euro for a BigMac? | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's nuts! | 18:20 |
| Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: Well, how much in $? | 18:20 |
| Blafasel | That's nuts, right.. | 18:20 |
| hrw | I do not remember when last time I was in McD | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like, $1.29 | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | For just the burger | 18:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meal is, like, $5 | 18:20 |
| Blafasel | Nice.. You pay 1 Eur for a cheeseburger alone | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I only ever go to McDonalds for breakfast, though. | 18:21 |
| ||cw | bigmac isn't just a cheeseburger though | 18:21 |
| Blafasel | ||cw: Oh really? ;) | 18:22 |
| ||cw | 2 patties, 3 slice bread, lettuce, 2 cheese | 18:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chick-fil-A is better for lunch. | 18:22 |
| ||cw | I'd rather have a jumbo jack though | 18:22 |
| ||cw | for fast food burger that is | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jack in the Box grosses me out. | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Checkers is good. | 18:23 |
| ||cw | GeneralAntilles: at least their bugers don't sit in a drawer for an hour already cooked | 18:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 18:23 |
| ||cw | mcd is icky | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | No kidding? ;P | 18:24 |
| hrw | I will not discuss about quality of mcd food | 18:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I had In-N-Out Burger when I was out in California. | 18:24 |
| hrw | I avoid it | 18:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Quite good. | 18:25 |
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| rm_you | mmm Chik-fil-a | 18:27 |
| rm_you | <3 | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nuggets and a lemonade | 18:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yum | 18:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love their fries. | 18:28 |
| hrw | hmm... when last time I was in fastfood... | 18:28 |
| hrw | burger king in december on Liverpool Station in London | 18:28 |
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| morbec | someone knows what is the password of the default user on the device? | 18:29 |
| rm_you | yay, time to write a paper on "what I consider to be the principal 3 or 4 factors affecting the application of iron technology to ancient greek/roman metallurgy" >_< | 18:30 |
| rm_you | morbec: i don't think it has a password | 18:30 |
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| rm_you | morbec: it's like... "locked" | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | user has no password by default | 18:30 |
| rm_you | IIRC | 18:30 |
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| rm_you | if you want to log in via SSH, you need to log in as root, because "user" doesn't have a password, and i think trying to add one would break things | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Humanities course? You should address their acceptance of gay men. :P | 18:31 |
| rm_you | Ancient Science and Technology <_ | 18:31 |
| rm_you | <_< | 18:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 18:31 |
| rm_you | time to read about 50 pages of *crap* about ancient attempts to make steel | 18:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | At least it's only 50. | 18:32 |
| rm_you | >_> | 18:32 |
| rm_you | truth | 18:32 |
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| morbec | thnaks | 18:36 |
| morbec | s/thnaks/thanks! | 18:37 |
| ||cw | rm_you: in OS2006 I know adding a password to user doens't break anything | 18:37 |
| ||cw | on a 770 | 18:37 |
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| derf | rm_you: You can always just add another user with the same uid as "user", and give them a password. | 18:46 |
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| Cptnodegard | lol | 18:55 |
| Cptnodegard | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18629 | 18:55 |
| Cptnodegard | thats genius | 18:55 |
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| lardman | hmm, long minute | 18:59 |
| lardman | and my irc client's history is very short | 18:59 |
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| eleftherios | is this the right place to ask questions about Nokia N810? | 19:01 |
| Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Interesting | 19:01 |
| lardman | eleftherios: yes | 19:01 |
| Cptnodegard | this thing really pwns... nned to allow for bigger screens though | 19:01 |
| Blafasel | Does it really work? | 19:01 |
| Cptnodegard | yes it works | 19:01 |
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| Blafasel | Cptnodegard: Using a N800 or N810? | 19:01 |
| Cptnodegard | all you need is the hid file sent to your phone (since then it saves it where it belongs automatically) | 19:02 |
| Cptnodegard | n800 | 19:02 |
| Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/canola-remote.jpg | 19:02 |
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| eleftherios | Is there a (usb?) GSM module that supports voice so that I could hook it to an N810 and make calls from it too? (Not talking about VoIP). If there is such hardware, I'm sure drivers could be written. Thoughts? | 19:02 |
| Cptnodegard | use phonlink to pair it with your phone instead | 19:03 |
| Cptnodegard | eleftherios | 19:03 |
| Cptnodegard | then you can text/call with the n810 through your phone | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | eleftherios, what's the point? | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what phonelink is for. | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 19:03 |
| * GeneralAntilles learns to read | 19:03 | |
| eleftherios | I don't want to have a phone too | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Listen to what Cptnodegard is saying, damnit! | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | a USB GSM modem is gonna be incredibly clunky with the N810. | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta have the stand open | 19:04 |
| Cptnodegard | a good phone is very useful with an IT | 19:04 |
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| Cptnodegard | both for internet connection, camera, call/sms, and now apparently remote contorlling canola | 19:04 |
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| Cptnodegard | [18:04] <GeneralAntilles> a USB GSM modem is gonna be incredibly clunky with the N810. <- not to mentio you'd eithe rhave to remove the stand or have it open because of th elocation of the usb | 19:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Like I said. :D | 19:06 |
| eleftherios | Ok, these thoughts are welcome but the questions remains. One could take a GSM modem that supports voice, write a driver, connect it to a N810 and make calls, right? | 19:06 |
| * GeneralAntilles invites Cptnodegard into the Lern2Reed club. :P | 19:06 | |
| eleftherios | s/questions/question | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I fail to see the point. | 19:06 |
| rm_you | eleftherios: you'd probably need to write the calling program too... :/ | 19:06 |
| Cptnodegard | lol just saw it | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | A $50 Bluetooth phone that supports the correct profiles would be much more useful. | 19:07 |
| eleftherios | rm_you: yes | 19:07 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: And have it's own battery! | 19:07 |
| Cptnodegard | get a tiny bt phone, put it in a plastic bag and eat it | 19:07 |
| Cptnodegard | :) | 19:07 |
| rm_you | lol | 19:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Now's your chance, rm_you! | 19:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | rofl, Cptnodegard. | 19:08 |
| eleftherios | GeneralAntilles: sometimes the world is going forward because there are people who see it in a much different way than the rest 99.9999% do | 19:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | This is not one of those "sometimes". ;) | 19:08 |
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| rm_you | pfft, that would be a waste of my time... the n800 is *not* a phone, and I may as well just carry a phone as a gsm module the size of a phone that is harder to use | 19:08 |
| eleftherios | But please allow me to entairtain the thought :-) | 19:09 |
| rm_you | when they actually put a gsm module IN it, then i'll be happy to use it as a phone :P | 19:09 |
| rm_you | eleftherios: we see your point... we just refute it :P | 19:09 |
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| eleftherios | my point was whether pairing N810 with an external GSM module that supports voice would work. | 19:10 |
| eleftherios | It probably will. Thank you very much. :-) | 19:10 |
| rm_you | it would... and I have one right now... it's called a motorola v360 :P | 19:10 |
| rm_you | it just happens to already be a phone :P | 19:10 |
| eleftherios | Nice, enjoy it. | 19:10 |
| Cptnodegard | now, next point on the agenda: usb humping dog compatability | 19:11 |
| rm_you | actually, if you really want to do that, it would probably be cheaper and easier just to buy a phone and take the screen/keypad off | 19:11 |
| rm_you | then you'd have a BT GSM module, essentially | 19:11 |
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| Cptnodegard | seriousely, i want a usb humping dog to hump when i get mail | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does the humping dog run Linux? | 19:13 |
| eleftherios | rm_you: or something like this http://www.sequoia.co.uk/eshop/browsedl.php?item=185 | 19:14 |
| Cptnodegard | run linux or run on linux? it just runs on the power form the usb port i guess, and it was a joke | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.techonline.com/learning/livewebinar/206504284 | 19:14 |
| rm_you | eleftherios: yes... but that costs about 5x as much as a cheap BT phone :P | 19:14 |
| * GeneralAntilles was working on getting Linux on a dead raccoon a few weeks ago. | 19:14 | |
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| Cptnodegard | how about training a squirrel to carry the BT phone for you? | 19:18 |
| Cptnodegard | or buy a e90 | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or a humping dog. | 19:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | What about one of those monkeys that helps quadriplegics? He could hold the phone up to your ear so you don't even need an N810! | 19:20 |
| Cptnodegard | operate a tiny battery and usb port into the butt of the squirrel, make the on/off button buttcrack-controlled, plug in a usb huping dog, and train the squirrel to carry the phone and squeesh when the phone is ringing | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be like Dr. Mephesto and give him 3 asses so you can have 3 lines! | 19:21 |
| Cptnodegard | so he can talk to himself and his wife while his squirrel is being humped to death by plastic minidogs | 19:22 |
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| ||cw | o_O | 19:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | For anybody not familiar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI-pct3zy18 | 19:34 |
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| Ikkakujyu | Does it have Linux drivers? | 19:35 |
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| Cptnodegard | would think it only uses the power | 19:37 |
| Cptnodegard | but theres a popup on that guys screen | 19:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | XP is stupid | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just power. | 19:38 |
| Cptnodegard | maybe its that ms office paper clip... "excuise me, theres a dog humping youw USB port. do you want to: -join? - kill it? - eat it? - search for solutions on the internet?" | 19:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's a "New Hardware Added" popup. | 19:41 |
| Cptnodegard | HARDware | 19:41 |
| Cptnodegard | muahahaha | 19:41 |
| sp3000 | so that's what the cool kids call it these days | 19:42 |
| Blafasel | I'm not sure if this crap is something for the cool kids. Or funny. | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't be a stinker. | 19:44 |
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| Blafasel | *shrug* I hate dogs. I didn't even smirk looking at one single annoying lolcat. Not interesting. | 19:47 |
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| oilinki | GeneralAntilles: hoho, best part of the youtube video is that the usb-connector is blurred :) | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 19:55 |
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| lcuk2 | is the actual hardware any different for the wimax support? what say the chances that original 810 has all thats needed (easter egg) | 20:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, zero. | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less than zero | 20:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | This is ridiculous. | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ssh works for about 24 hours | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | stops working | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | reinstall | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | works for 24 hours again | 20:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | When do we get version 4.1 for Bugzilla? :\ | 21:17 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: File a bug against bugzilla. That should reach the right person. | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right-o | 21:18 |
| X-Fade | Or I will ask the guy tomorrow ;) | 21:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Field, anyway. | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 21:20 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Got any bug for a non-released firmware version already? | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish. | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I figure some of the bugs we know have been fixed could at least have their targets set correctly. | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any idea what Nokia's policy is regarding pre-release firmwares and bug reporting? | 21:22 |
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| KotCzarny | yawn | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I only get notice on the day it is released, so I really wouldn't know any schedule. | 21:23 |
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| X-Fade | But the bugs guys does do some 'fixed in this version' bug hunting. | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, chinook main repos mirror is ~3gb | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | not bad | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:24 |
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| KotCzarny | http://imagechan.net/img/5223/Advertising/ | 21:34 |
| KotCzarny | ehehe | 21:34 |
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| czr | KotCzarny :-) | 21:36 |
| KotCzarny | hi czr | 21:40 |
| czr | hey kot | 21:41 |
| czr | miau? | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | anom, miau miau | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:41 |
| czr | nom nom nom. i has the devicez. | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:41 |
| * czr is battling with sbox. once again. | 21:41 | |
| czr | I thought I'd never ever had to use it for anything again. | 21:42 |
| czr | proves just how little I know about anything, argh. | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | sbox works for me | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | quite nice | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | it's easy to play with new targets | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | and not to b0rk old ones in the process :) | 21:43 |
| czr | sbox for pre-EABI vendor-"supported" arm-board. doesn't relate to maemo in any way. | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | debian.org ? | 21:43 |
| czr | hmm? no. has nothing to do with debian either. | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | i mean they have sbox toolchains too | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | for misc archs | 21:44 |
| czr | well, it's not the arch that is the problem. | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | ok, i'm shutting up | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:44 |
| czr | it's a problem in my head. can't really get sbox to play nice with me tonight. | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | breakfast anyway :) | 21:44 |
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| czr | heh, k, have fun. nom nom. | 21:44 |
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| rektide | wow holy fuck, the Intel Atom chipset uses PowerVR SGX | 21:56 |
| rektide | that was _unexpected_ | 21:57 |
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| konttori | is Bundyo ever in here? | 22:39 |
| konttori | He is the guy behind midori browser port | 22:39 |
| konttori | I was testing it out today and I must confess that it's really nice browser. | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, don't believe so | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | unless he's in under another nick. | 22:40 |
| konttori | Which might be the case | 22:40 |
| konttori | Also this news was interesting: http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=349 | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, saw that yesterday. | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm interested in seeing an updated MicroB. :D | 22:41 |
| konttori | however, fennec is not terribly fast in my opinion | 22:41 |
| konttori | updated MicroB is faster that fennec. | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I'd figure. | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | how faster? | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:42 |
| konttori | Both in rendering the page and in scrolling the page | 22:42 |
| konttori | didn't measure. ... maybe 30% in rendering. | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | how does it realte to fx3 ? | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can only imagine MicroB in Diablo will scream. | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | relate | 22:42 |
| konttori | scrolling is very smooth on microb | 22:42 |
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| konttori | anyway, fennec might turn out to be really good after they have had a bit of time to work on it. | 22:43 |
| * lcuk2 perks up | 22:43 | |
| konttori | that blog announcement is from their first iteration, so it'll improve | 22:43 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: rotated already? | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's this about libgtkmozembed and kinetic scrolling I hear? ;) | 22:44 |
| lcuk2 | i didnt after you collapsed my hopes of a trouble free install | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | i encouraged you to test | 22:44 |
| pupnik | libgtklobotomized? | 22:44 |
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| KotCzarny | it would help me to determine if it's mine setup or a bug in patches | 22:44 |
| pupnik | lurry eyes.. | 22:44 |
| lcuk2 | i might have some time tonight to advance things, i was a bit lazy tired yesterday | 22:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles gives lcuk2 an adrenaline shot to the heart. | 22:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You email Quim yet, lcuk2? :P | 22:45 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: first tester likes xkbd. has problems on my n810 but i don't use vkbd anyway | 22:45 |
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| KotCzarny | xkbd or xvkbd ? | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php?root=browser&view=rev&rev=2003 | 22:45 |
| fysa | new microb? | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | those microbs! they're everythere! | 22:46 |
| lcuk2 | not yet gen, but then again i might not have to - it does seem pace has quickened recently (ie last couple of days) we have had lots of news and stuff | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | everywhere | 22:46 |
| lcuk2 | and my heart didnt stop - gtk is sluggish :P | 22:46 |
| lcuk2 | (but, maybe things have changed here as well) | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | i would like fully vfped os | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Getting MicroB up to speed will do a lot of good for the platform. | 22:47 |
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| lcuk2 | i agree, it should be streamlined and slick | 22:48 |
| lcuk2 | its an internet device ffs - the internet lets it down | 22:48 |
| * lcuk2 crosses his fingers | 22:48 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm very optimistic for Diablo | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looking at the huge leaps in performance that have taken place with Gecko since the last time we had a MicroB update and the changelogs on garage. | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Leaves me feeling a bit giddy. | 22:49 |
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| fysa | when is diablo supposed to be released? | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Q2 2008 | 22:55 |
| fysa | I've heard that the WiMax N810 has in-place upgrading. | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Diablo feature | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | SSU | 22:56 |
| fysa | but .. not full-on Diablo, it seems. | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seamless Software Updates | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | full-on? | 22:56 |
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| fysa | every time I read one of zerojay's posts I want to fucking puke on my own pants. | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | so bad or so good? | 22:59 |
| fysa | :) | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa's got a case of the randoms today. | 23:02 |
| lcuk2 | "puke on my own pants" actually results in one result and that site was so awful it made me actually puke on my own tshirt | 23:02 |
| fysa | haha | 23:02 |
| fysa | a little bit, GeneralAntilles. | 23:02 |
| fysa | just general annoyance at his attitude in every post I've seen. | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is that? | 23:03 |
| lcuk2 | fysa, you cant just drop new phrases into the lexicolon without telling us what they mean | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | why not? | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | it's irc | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojay's been around for a while, the 'attitude' is a recent development | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can hardly blame him, though. | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's Canadian and heavily involved tablet user | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | he's had pretty much the worst of all Nokia has to offer. :P | 23:04 |
| fysa | I'm just tired of him shitting all over my favorite threads. Saying this shouldn't be done/can't be done/not worth trying. | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh? | 23:05 |
| KotCzarny | yah | 23:05 |
| * GeneralAntilles can't say that I've noticed. | 23:06 | |
| KotCzarny | i dislike negative attitudes too | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm tired of all the whiners. :P | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | if it's broken, fix it, or shut up | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:06 |
| * lcuk2 thinks things CAN be done | 23:06 | |
| fysa | right | 23:06 |
| fysa | anyway. | 23:06 |
| fysa | back to poking around libgtkmozembed | 23:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ITT has mostly just become a hellhole filled with idiots and Apple fans. <_< | 23:09 |
| rm_you | heh | 23:09 |
| oob | good morning, Nokia nerds | 23:09 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: apple fans? :P | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Apple/iPhone and iTouch/ | 23:09 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: ITT has mostly just become a hellhole filled with idiots and iPhone and iTouch fans. <_< | 23:09 |
| * rm_you looks at GeneralAntilles | 23:09 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I like their OS | 23:09 |
| * rm_you looks at GeneralAntilles and his Mac | 23:09 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm increasingly tired of their mobile stuff. | 23:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | In particularly, I'm increasingly tired of the neverend comparison threads. | 23:10 |
| rm_you | i don't think things CAN'T be done.. | 23:10 |
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| lcuk2 | so GeneralAntilles, what phone have you got? | 23:10 |
| rm_you | i just think certain things "shouldnt" be done | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/neverend/neverending/ | 23:10 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: In particularly, I'm increasingly tired of the neverending comparison threads. | 23:10 |
| konttori | oh man. numty physics is so cool | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Needs to give you a chance to setup the level before dropping the ball. | 23:10 |
| lcuk2 | hand drawn physics on 810? | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 23:11 |
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| Jaffa | KotCzarny: long standing users are getting *very* annoyed at the simple things they /can't/ fix cos Nokia's "precious" UI is closed and wrapped up in a spec-led chastity belt. | 23:12 |
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| lcuk2 | konttori, link please if its a physics game for 8x0? | 23:12 |
| * Jaffa 's been playing with "Phun" on his desktop. My 2 year-old loves it :-) | 23:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Well put, Jaffa. | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk2, there's a thread on ITT | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's on garage. | 23:13 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3770/numptyphysics_0.1_armel.deb | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | jaffa: how about alternatives? | 23:13 |
| lcuk2 | good, ive seen it for a few devices and have played with numerous examples but not with stylus :) | 23:13 |
| konttori | what's phun? | 23:13 |
| lcuk2 | ty for link | 23:13 |
| Jaffa | KotCzarny: some of the things you end up replacing almost all of Hildon for, just for a small change to one bit | 23:14 |
| lcuk2 | ie keyboard tweaks | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | jaffa: not a problem with me | 23:14 |
| Jaffa | konttori: Physics gameshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5g9VS0ENM | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | as long things work as i want :) | 23:14 |
| fysa | anyone tried building microb from svn lately? | 23:14 |
| fysa | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html | 23:14 |
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| Jaffa | KotCzarny: Yes, and if they don't do what you want? What do you do then? | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | jaffa: the whole point of openness is that you can fix/replace things | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | if you can't then it's not really open | 23:15 |
| Jaffa | KotCzarny: Exactly. But random bits of ITOS aren't open. | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | that's why it's so good sdk is free | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:15 |
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| Jaffa | So "fix them or shut up" aren't the two only options. There's a third option: keep bitching about the closedness until they're opened or someone says "No, we're keeping these closed for reasons X, Y & Z" | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | but it's different bitching when not pursuing 1 and 2 first | 23:16 |
| fysa | I squint at my N800 really hard so it knows I mean business, then it opens up and we have a nice talk. | 23:16 |
| konttori | oh man. phun looks like fun! | 23:16 |
| lcuk2 | fysa, your 800 cant really open up without a screwdriver | 23:17 |
| * lcuk2 looks menacingly at his 810 and the keyboard slideeeeeeeeees | 23:17 | |
| fysa | hah | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | finally, bt keyboard kicked in | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | ehehe | 23:17 |
| lcuk | right, phsics fun | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | fun | 23:17 |
| pupnik | ``yo | 23:17 |
| lcuk2 | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3770/numptyphysics_0.1_armel.deb | 23:18 |
| lcuk2 | tap | 23:18 |
| lcuk2 | DAMN | 23:18 |
| lcuk2 | tap hold | 23:18 |
| lcuk2 | ;) | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | you got.. tapped! | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:18 |
| lcuk2 | i hate tap and hold | 23:18 |
| Jaffa | It's so slow when you know what you want | 23:19 |
| lcuk2 | in these kind of environments (like browser or xchat) i would want to double tap to open things | 23:19 |
| lcuk2 | browser would work because it takes ages to do action of single click | 23:19 |
| jott | this numpty is a nice find | 23:21 |
| fysa | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg12315.html | 23:22 |
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| lcuk2 | ive seen many like it and had something similar in mind :) glad someone beat me to it | 23:22 |
| pupnik | phun is like legos for 2008 | 23:22 |
| pupnik | wish i were 8 yrs old now | 23:22 |
| jott | lcuk2: i also had something similar in mind :) | 23:23 |
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| lcuk2 | phun.org is also a great website :) | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:23 |
| lcuk2 | pupnik, no you don't - at your age (unless you're about 9) you will have more money and more expensive toys | 23:23 |
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| fysa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gta33XgIwGA | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | leggo my eggo | 23:24 |
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| fysa | Crayon Physics 2 (?) or Deluxe? | 23:24 |
| derf | When I was 8, I had a lot more time. | 23:24 |
| derf | Which was worth a lot of money, and certainly more than any expensive toys. | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | That video is very exciting . . . you solve all the puzzles exactly the same way. <_< | 23:25 |
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| KotCzarny | derf: you talk about child labour! | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:26 |
| lcuk2 | derf :) ok you're right. ok - whos gonna build a maemo compatible time machine | 23:26 |
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| Tama^2 | Hello | 23:31 |
| jobu | i'm trying to run my n800 os2008 off external mmc and cloning the system. is "tar: cannot create directory './dev': Input/output error" normal? | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | are you using vfat? | 23:32 |
| jobu | ext2 | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | dmesg shows any errors? | 23:32 |
| jobu | no other errors, going reboot | 23:32 |
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| jobu | not familiar with reading output from dmesg | 23:33 |
| lcuk2 | EXCELLENT - numty is a workable fun touch app :) | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | anything saying about badblocks | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | or read-only filesystem | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 23:33 |
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| czr | mount -owo / | 23:34 |
| czr | +,remount | 23:35 |
| dtahtbot | czr: Error: ",remount" is not a valid command. | 23:35 |
| czr | silly little bot | 23:35 |
| czr | dtahtbot, fsck /proc/self | 23:35 |
| dtahtbot | czr: Error: "fsck" is not a valid command. | 23:35 |
| jobu | doh, there are ext2-fs errors read_inode_bitmap | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | now you know | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | umount | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | fsck | 23:36 |
| czr | cross-fingers. | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | if fixed, remount and continue | 23:36 |
| czr | get your backups out :-) | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | that too | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:36 |
| jobu | well it was just created | 23:37 |
| jobu | so no data loss XD | 23:37 |
| jobu | is there an easy way to wipe out a partition? | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | mkfs | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | but explain 'wipe out' | 23:38 |
| jobu | k | 23:38 |
| jobu | ya, like format quick | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | also, you should do mkfs with badblocks checking on | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | really | 23:39 |
| jobu | what's the flag on that? | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | -c ? | 23:39 |
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| czr | it will probably take ages | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | but it's worth it | 23:39 |
| czr | although ext takes ages with pretty much anything | 23:39 |
| KotCzarny | you don't want to scream later | 23:40 |
| jobu | would it be faster mke2fs then run fsck? | 23:40 |
| KotCzarny | when you get inode badblocks | 23:40 |
| czr | I made the mistake today of trying to do a 3T ext3 on a system which was doing raid5 background rebuild at the same time -> bad mistake. | 23:40 |
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| Mousey | help! | 23:47 |
| Mousey | i made a laughable mistake | 23:47 |
| * KotCzarny throws a blade | 23:47 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles laughs at Mousey. | 23:47 | |
| * KotCzarny laughs | 23:47 | |
| Mousey | i made /usr/share a link to /media/mmc2/u00/usr/share | 23:47 |
| Mousey | and now it won't boot =( | 23:47 |
| Mousey | i just wanted more drive space on /! | 23:47 |
| * Mousey cries | 23:47 | |
| KotCzarny | erm | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | usb-rescue mode? | 23:48 |
| Mousey | well | 23:48 |
| Mousey | ooh | 23:48 |
| hircus | that does sound quite bad | 23:48 |
| Mousey | how do i do that? | 23:48 |
| Mousey | i can fix it if i could mount it | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | look for fanoush initfs | 23:48 |
| Mousey | k | 23:48 |
| Mousey | ty | 23:48 |
| hircus | doesn't the FHS require that you can bring up the OS without using /usr? (though not sure I want to try that on my Linux box) | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | hircus: watchdog | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | ie. os boots, but watchdog kills it | 23:49 |
| hircus | KotCzarny: aha. | 23:49 |
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| Mousey | i see | 23:49 |
| pupnik | it might be safer to link individual directories under /usr/share Mousey | 23:49 |
| hircus | so .. using the flasher to turn off the watchdog would work | 23:49 |
| Mousey | pupnik: one thing at a time =( | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | or just move whole os to mmc | 23:49 |
| Mousey | pupnik: thx tho | 23:49 |
| Mousey | ...there's a watchdog huh | 23:49 |
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| hircus | I remembered having the watchdog tripping me up. auto-reboots all the time; I sent the device for repair, they could not fix it, and was on the point of issuing me a replacmeent when I figured it out | 23:50 |
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| hircus | Mousey: are you using Canola perchance? | 23:50 |
| jobu | anyone get os2008 n800 booting off mmc? | 23:50 |
| Mousey | hircus: canola2? | 23:50 |
| hircus | I just symlinked Canola's Youtube directory to .. | 23:50 |
| hircus | yes, Canola2 | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | canola2 is very very nice | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | but has some bugs still | 23:50 |
| Mousey | i'm a debian fan | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | does canola devs come to maemo # ? | 23:51 |
| Mousey | so i'm constantly loading crap on | 23:51 |
| hircus | I symlink the .canola2/youtube/video (or whatever it's called) dir to my MMC card, otherwise it runs out of space | 23:51 |
| Mousey | and running out of space | 23:51 |
| Mousey | wah | 23:51 |
| Mousey | hircus: that was happening to me | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, do you have fanoush's initfs installed? | 23:51 |
| Mousey | no =( | 23:51 |
| Mousey | am i gonna have a chicken and egg problem? | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | jobu, way back in November. :P | 23:51 |
| hircus | Mousey: so symlink that instead. Youtube videos are huge, moving /usr/share won't buy you much time | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | mousey: nope | 23:52 |
| hircus | from a packager's point of view I must say I prefer RPM still | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | fanoush initfs is nice | 23:52 |
| Mousey | packing deb's is a pain | 23:52 |
| hircus | though -- there was a Debian package-building tool that can be configured with only one spec file, RPM-style | 23:52 |
| Mousey | but i prefer it over rpm anyday just for apt and the repo system | 23:52 |
| Mousey | (and don't say yum, cuz yuck) | 23:53 |
| lcuk2 | msi? | 23:53 |
| lcuk2 | ;) | 23:53 |
| hircus | ah. well, I'm happy with the rpm/yum combo. multilib is a timesaver, esp. since the last time I used a .Deb-based system, OpenOffice was a 386-only app | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | .tgz! | 23:53 |
| hircus | msi :) | 23:53 |
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| hircus | Mousey: point taken. yum was slow until one year ago or so | 23:53 |
| hircus | have you tried the SUSE equivalents, though? yikes | 23:54 |
| Mousey | it's still garbage. you can't simultaneously install and uninstall packages | 23:54 |
| Mousey | you have to have separate commands for each | 23:54 |
| Mousey | and god help you if your rpm DB gets hoarked | 23:54 |
| hircus | Mousey: ah. but that's just an interface problem. | 23:54 |
| hircus | oh yes, the db thing is horrid. what does dpkg use as its backend? curious | 23:54 |
| Mousey | you know, i'm not really sure | 23:54 |
| rm_you | dpkg can get *&@#ed too, tho | 23:54 |
| rm_you | it's just harder | 23:54 |
| Mousey | gz'd txt files i think | 23:54 |
| rm_you | yeah | 23:55 |
| hircus | not sure what RPM uses right now (I could check when I get to my other machine). have not had a corruption issue for ages | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | tgz ftw! | 23:55 |
| Mousey | rpm uses berkleydb | 23:55 |
| lcuk2 | what update mechanism is the 8x0 gonna have? is it still .deb based but with some kind of auto updater? | 23:55 |
| rm_you | and if they get corrupted (most common problem for me was running out of disk space and they get written over by 0) | 23:55 |
| hircus | heh. even Sun is moving to a RPM/DEB-style packaging system :) | 23:55 |
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| hircus | now that Ian Murdock is there | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not really an apt change | 23:55 |
| Mousey | packaging systems ftw! | 23:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's mostly a change in how Nokia deploys its update. | 23:55 |
| rm_you | i do love apt | 23:56 |
| hircus | rm_you: one'd think apt will refuse to start the upgrade process if that will take too much space | 23:56 |
| lcuk2 | yer i know, but it has automatic updating for user apps as well | 23:56 |
| rm_you | though emerge/portage is nice too | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, it'll be more like how you update the 3rd party stuff. | 23:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | The operating-system meta-package will probably end up in User/ | 23:56 |
| rm_you | it may | 23:56 |
| lcuk2 | is it just a deamon running to check for updates, but it still uses apt or whatever in the background | 23:56 |
| rm_you | but other things happen | 23:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Presumably, lcuk2. | 23:56 |
| rm_you | mostly this happens to me on embedded systems or things running on USB sticks | 23:56 |
| lcuk2 | :) does sound reasonable, you cannot rebuild a packaging system and have it "perfect" in a couple of months ;) | 23:57 |
| rm_you | like the ubuntu updater? | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Konttori's interview seems to have the best specifics. | 23:57 |
| rm_you | "Sir, we've solved the automatic updates dilemma." "How?!" "We used cron..." | 23:57 |
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| lcuk2 | cron? that unreliable pile of pop - i demand 9 9's reliability - hire an intern to monitor the updates | 23:58 |
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| oob | nice lcuk2 | 23:58 |
| lcuk2 | (and make sure shes cute) | 23:58 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:58 |
| rm_you | i would actually care about cute less than i'd want her to know WTF she was doing so she didn't break my system... does that say anything about my priorities? >_> | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:59 |
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