IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-03-29

fysaalp, how goes webkit maemo?  saw the good news on acid3.00:00
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fysamaybe N810 WiMax will have a few mm more spacing for that top row. ;)00:01
LoCusFwhere the heck is
`0660i wonder how it will sell00:02
GeneralAntillesI'm hoping we get a Diablo release in the next week or so.00:03
LoCusFhmm, at /usr/sbin00:03
fysawith multiplayer?00:03
`0660many people already pay for 3g plan, why bother bying a wimax plan on top of that...00:03
fysaWiMax > 3G00:03
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fysawith WiMax, you can cancel your cell plan and just VoIP.00:04
fysaVoIP at home, on the go.  Ring everywhere.00:04
`0660maybe if you don't travel much :)00:04
derfI've had a WiMax antenna on my laptop for 2 years. I've never bothered to get a subscription.00:04
GeneralAntillesfysa, we've yet to see much WiMAX usage in reality.00:04
GeneralAntillesWe'll see if any of that actually pans out this year. ;)00:05
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fysaI wait patiently.00:07
fysaWiMax in US and Hong Kong is what I need.00:07
derfIt's been like 4 years.00:08
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derfSince WiMAX was introduced.00:08
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fysaCan you get service in your area even if you want to?00:09
derfI honestly have no idea.00:09
derfI don't even know how to find out.00:09
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derfThat's not nearly enough detail.00:11
fysaXohm is what you need.00:11
derfI'm "near" a city that supposedly has had coverage since January.00:11
fysaFor it to be useful, I think.00:11
derfBut not in it.00:11
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b1ackD3athany one have kde on there n810? or xfce?00:19
GeneralAntillesThere N810? Where N810?00:19
b1ackD3athi have a n81000:20
* Tester_ doesnt understand why someone would want to use a desktop desktop on a mobile platform00:20
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h3sp4wne17 seems like it could be ok in both cases00:22
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b1ackD3athwell i have it loaded i was just wounding if you know of any speed tricks for kde which i know are gona be prety much non cuz kde is a resourse whore but i figured it coudent hurt to ask00:25
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h3sp4wnWhats the embedded qt thing called that should be ok00:26
AStormthere is no WiMAX allocation in EU00:26
AStormso useless for me00:26
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fysathere are 4 providers in UK00:48
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AStormremember, it's some km range at best00:52
AStormso you won't have it00:52
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smackpotatoi cant install  portmap "dangling simlink01:32
AStormany good page about multiboot initramfs/kernel?01:40
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smackpotatowhat do i do with a danglin symlink01:46
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smackpotatoportmap wont install because of a dangling symlink01:47
smackpotatook ill try rm01:47
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unique311any talks of a wimax usb dongle for the n800/770/810?01:48
GeneralAntillesNo a whisper.01:49
GeneralAntillesI'd rather see a Nokia phone with WiMAX.01:49
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smackpotatoya that worked thanks01:57
smackpotatodvorak says wi-max is not turning out verry good01:57
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GeneralAntillesDvorak is a moron.01:58
smackpotatobut an entertaining moron01:58
elband in this instance, he appears to be right01:59
elbthough it's not too late for it to rally01:59
KotCzarnyNearly 30% of logged Vista crashes were due to NVIDIA driver problems, according to a Microsoft data included in the bundle.02:00
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GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to get gronmayer better hosting.02:19
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AStormso, no one will give me a link to multiboot loader?02:26
AStormI had it and lost it02:26
KotCzarnysearch for fanoush ?02:26
AStormah right02:26
* KotCzarny debugs xmms02:27
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KotCzarnydoublesize works02:32
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KotCzarnypupnik: i made xmms double size working :)02:33
KotCzarnynow let's look at z-pos issue02:34
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Tama^2Light is seen at the end of the tunnel... on wk 13 Diablo firmware the finger02:43
Tama^2detection appear to work. :-)02:43
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Tama^2from :
GeneralAntillesJust saw those in my inbox.02:44
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Tama^2how does one get his hands on Diablo?02:44
GeneralAntillesWe could grab a copy when we go on the trout walloping adventure. :P02:44
* Tama^2 uses the trout on GA's face02:45
lcukdiablo == minnow stream isnt it?02:45
GeneralAntillesI say we also steal the UI spec while we're there.02:45
lcukor whatever its called for the beta02:45
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GeneralAntillesSardine. :P02:46
GeneralAntillesBut Sardine is public02:46
lcukthats the one02:46
GeneralAntillesAssuming it's even still relevant.02:46
lcuknot sure, but read at the start that that was where the betas live02:46
GeneralAntillesInternal builds are different from the public beta stuff02:47
GeneralAntillesBut I think Sardine stopped being relevant with the N800.02:47
milhouseSardine... is a waste of time isn't it? Never works... always broken... nobody cares.02:50
milhouseNobody that can fix it, anwyay02:50
Veggenugh. "yah, maybe I can stay at work till around 6pm" ended out being actually 1.30am  before I got out of there.02:50
GeneralAntillesHowdy, milhous.02:50
dtahtbotGeneralAntilles: Error: "e" is not a valid command.02:50
dtahtbotGeneralAntilles: Error: "dumbbot" is not a valid command.02:51
dtahtbotmilhouse: Error: "die" is not a valid command.02:51
dtahtbotmilhouse: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.02:51
GeneralAntillesI don't think that bot has any useful features02:51
lcukyou would be shocked if it DID know the command and it actually banned you forever02:51
GeneralAntillesI love IRC bot help.02:51
milhouse+help help02:51
dtahtbotmilhouse: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.02:51
Tama^2useless bot02:52
lcuk+help help help02:52
dtahtbotlcuk: Error: There is no command "help help".02:52
GeneralAntillesThe help command on an irc bot is only useful when you already know the commands.02:52
lcuk+i need somebody02:52
dtahtbotlcuk: Error: "i" is not a valid command.02:52
dtahtbotGeneralAntilles: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.02:52
dtahtbotGeneralAntilles: Error: "leave" is not a valid command.02:52
dtahtbotGeneralAntilles: Error: "quite" is not a valid command.02:52
dtahtbotmilhouse: Error: "exit" is not a valid command.02:52
dtahtbotmilhouse: Error: "bagofshite" is not a valid command.02:52
GeneralAntillesmilhouse, when are you gonna resurrect Monkey with triggers? :(02:52
Tama^2+fun -bot02:53
dtahtbotTama^2: Error: "fun" is not a valid command.02:53
milhouseah.... no plans at the mo02:53
milhousestill got him around somewhere, snoozing02:53
dtahtbotlcuk: Error: "stop_it_tama:P" is not a valid command.02:53
milhousemy linux box needs a bit of tlc first, once i've finished redecorating02:53
Tama^2moi? look who is talking :P02:53
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lcuki want to draw on my screen but i cant be arsed writing the persist/restore code for my strokes02:54
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* lcuk is tired02:54
jott+google maemo02:55
dtahtbotjott: Search took 0.15 seconds: maemo .org - maemo .org: Maemo is the application development ...: <>; maemo .org - ApplicationCatalog: <>; Maemo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; maemo .org - Planet maemo: <>; Maemo is the application development platform for (2 more messages)02:55
lcuk+google dtahtbot02:55
dtahtbotlcuk: Search took 0.19 seconds: IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-03-03: <>; irclog2html for #oe on 20080307: <>; irclog2html for #maemo on 20080226: <>; Channel: 20080207_oe.log: (2 more messages)02:55
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dtahtbotmilhouse: (google <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results.02:56
milhouse+google britney spears02:57
dtahtbotmilhouse: Search took 0.20 seconds: Britney Spears - The Official Site: <>; Britney Spears - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Britney Spears | Blackout Magazine - Britney .Com - Jive Records: <>; Posts from the Britney Spears Category at - Entertainment ...: (2 more messages)02:57
lcukwould i be silly if i wanted to persist/restore using a c function syntax?  ie the actual file could be used to reconstruct the picture if i decided to compile it up, or i can reopen it using my restore02:57
GeneralAntillesmilhouse is set for the evening.02:57
milhouseone handed typing from now on... ;)02:58
lcukmilhouse, its actually more logical to use proper image search02:58
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milhousegood god no - have you seen her lately? mad as a hatter, and looks it too!03:00
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lcukshes not that bad, i'd take care of her03:00
GeneralAntillesCatch the South Park episode?03:00
lcukno, and i cant watch legally online yet :(03:00
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milhouse+google south park britney spears03:01
dtahtbotmilhouse: Search took 0.25 seconds: <>; " South Park " (1997) - Alternate versions: <>; Britney Spears To Appear On ' South Park ' This Week - Starpulse ...: <>; (4 more messages)03:01
KotCzarny+google porn03:01
dtahtbotKotCzarny: No matches found. (Search took 0.00 seconds)03:01
lcuksafesearch :D03:01
KotCzarnyno porn on the internet?!03:01
KotCzarnywhat happened when i was sleeping :)03:02
lcuksorry, i thought my mom was comin upstairs so i deleted it03:02
milhouse+google porn --notsafe03:02
dtahtbotmilhouse: Search took 0.23 seconds: :: Open Source, Linux News & Software: <>; Department of Energy - Homepage: <>; W3C Public Mailing List Archives: <>; Wired News: <>; Sciam Observations Scientific American Community: <>; NFL Draft: Jason Avant - MSN Video: (1 more message)03:03
lcuki think you just triggered the CIA or somethin03:03
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KotCzarnyrun to the hills03:03
lcuki can confirm that google returns unsafe material for your search03:04
lcukbut you already knew that03:04
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milhouseSo have I missed much in the world of ITOS?03:07
lcukKotCzarny, do you think that my ponderment to persist data into a rudimentary source file will be ok?   (ive done similar for *cough* before now)03:07
lcukjust look up a bit03:07
KotCzarnyi got up a little bit ago03:07
lcukwould i be silly if i wanted to persist/restore using a c function syntax?  ie the actual file could be used to reconstruct the picture if i decided to compile it up, or i can reopen it using my restore03:07
* KotCzarny reads question again03:08
KotCzarnyuse xpm for that03:08
lcuk+google xpm03:08
dtahtbotlcuk: Search took 0.22 seconds: The XPM Format and Library: <>; Index of /ftp/pub/ xpm: <>; X PixMap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; XPM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Athlon XP-M 2600+: (2 more messages)03:08
GeneralAntillesmilhouse, Diablo = 4.1 and it's coming soon and the N810 with WiMAX is coming soon.03:09
milhouseso, no then?03:09
GeneralAntillesNot really.03:09
lcuknoooo, i dont mean for the pixels - i will use bitmap or jpeg or lbm or anything required03:09
milhousethought as much - sighs ;)03:09
milhousewhat does it break this time?03:09
KotCzarnylcuk, but try to minimize writes03:09
GeneralAntillesNothing, so far as I'm aware.03:10
lcuki mean for the strokes and regions and boxes - the vectors etc.   writing will be line based03:10
KotCzarnyyou think about some kind of cache?03:10
GeneralAntillesIt's a point upgrade, so they wouldn't pull any API breaks anyway.03:10
milhousesomethings got to break - it wouldn't be an IT OS release without having to recompile everything! :)03:10
GeneralAntillesThough we'll see how the new update system goes.03:10
milhouseah yes, that's been a long time coming...03:10
GeneralAntillesI'm pulling for some MicroB updates.03:11
milhouseI'd like improved GPS - it's utter pants here...03:11
GeneralAntillesGetting a newer revision of Gecko in there would really improve the performance.03:11
lcukcan we not post more bugs03:11
lcukwhilst its in development things could get changed03:11
GeneralAntillesPost bugs whenever you want.03:11
lcukmay be an idea to head over and post some of the annoyances03:11
NaviGeneralAntilles, browsers normally use Gecko's stable releases03:11
milhouseFix the mental homescreen widgets by giving them optional dragability03:12
KotCzarnyability to hide everything would be nice03:12
lcukyes, enter a layout mode and do your positioning03:12
GeneralAntillesMicroB is based on an alpha release.03:12
KotCzarnyand to use alternative wms03:12
milhouseModest as standard03:13
milhousewould be good03:13
NaviIt probably will03:13
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NaviIt was on the in-house alpha/beta testing build03:13
elbKotCzarny: to hide everything, just hold the hard task switcher button down for like 1s03:14
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elbor push it once, and select 'Home'03:14
lcukor pull the battery.  may lose data though03:14
milhousenavi: great, it needs more exposure - i see lots of maemo planet posts but i don't know how many are actually using it, not a lot i suspect (in relative terms)03:14
KotCzarnyelb: elb, i mean status bar, menu bar, task bar03:14
lcukKotCzarny, fullscreen mode?03:14
elbyou want to hide it when you're not full screen?03:15
milhouseof course fixing long standing bugs rather than adding new whizzy features would be a really good idea(tm) - will it happen? doubt it03:15
lcukbut why? just goto fullscreen mode from the program you are in?03:15
elbwhat would this accomplish?03:15
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KotCzarnyyou don't understand03:15
KotCzarnyit will be selective03:15
KotCzarnyie. someone don't likes status bar03:15
KotCzarnyhe turns it off in prefs03:16
KotCzarnyie. not everything at once03:16
KotCzarnybut selectively ability to hide every widget03:16
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lcukahhh now i see, but if you make those sections optional you must supply alternative means to get at them03:17
KotCzarnynot really03:17
KotCzarnyone can simply don't want some widget03:18
KotCzarnyand doesn't need replacement03:18
KotCzarnyit's up to him to choose what to do about it03:18
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elboh, I don't see that happening03:18
KotCzarnybut there should be a choice03:18
elbthat would change the contract with hildon apps03:18
GeneralAntillesI'm hoping flashless updates mean the bundled apps don't have to be tied to the firmware release cycles.03:18
lcuktechnically, that should be configurable by the theme03:18
elbno, "technically", it isn't03:18
ds3updates of the ether!03:18
KotCzarnyelb: yeah, i'll install fluxbox sooner03:18
elbthe Hildon UI dedicates specific screen space to those UI elements03:19
KotCzarnyelb: one can make taskbar width==003:19
elb(without an overhaul of Hildon)03:19
lcukno, i KNOW it isnt, but the theme should be able to specify location and sizing of elements03:19
KotCzarnybut it's a hack03:19
lcukwe have been hacking since the beginning03:20
* KotCzarny compiles xmms-1.2.1103:20
* lcuk writes a quick persist/restore pair03:20
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KotCzarnyhow to add arbitrary file to the deb package build?03:34
KotCzarnyie. that will be included in final package03:34
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KotCzarnymaybe i should create my own repository04:14
WormFoodwhat a great idea it04:15
WormFood5 minutes ago I couldn't connect to my I can....this is fuckin' crazy04:15
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KotCzarnyz-index  bug in xmms found and hacked05:11
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dospodhey yaall06:29
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doc|homeonly funny because of the image name :/06:46
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darxhi.. i just installed minimo from repo on my os2008 n800. it doesn't run. what could be wrong?06:59
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darxanybody home?07:00
darxcan someone hear me?07:02
Tester_there really is no point in install minimo on os2008, the browser is already gecko based07:03
darxTester_: have you tried it?07:05
Tester_minimo, no07:07
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darxthen STFU07:17
Tama^2nice, how old are you darx? 1207:21
darxjust in case anyone was wondering, the error was missing, i fixed it by linking to
Italodancexmms is the same winamp lol!?07:25
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Italodancewhat's the latest version of xmms?07:37
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Italodancexmms only works with x-terminal?08:06
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fysawhat do you get in minimo?08:20
fysadoesn't support add-ons, does it?08:20
fysaI know it's all bullshit.08:20
fysaI'm just tired of all these star wars.08:20
fysaxulrunner armel builds on maemo.08:21
fysaxulrunner + touchscreen UI might be good.08:21
msh_hrm, just wondering, has anyone played with matchbox's compositing manager?08:23
msh_whether it could reduce the flickeryness with expose events switching apps etc08:23
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KotCzarnymsh: speaking of matchbox, how to make app to show in task navigator?08:24
msh_no idea, sorry08:24
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fysamaybe a UI for the Q08:29
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Italodanceis xmms only works with x-terminal?08:31
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msh_anyone got an idea how to stop the windowmanager eithe rwith or dsmetool?09:08
msh_neither seem working...09:08
KotCzarnydisable watchdog first?09:08
msh_ah, hm09:09
msh_I think dsme's what's restarting it though09:09
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zuhmsh_: use 'source /etc/osso-af-init/ stop'09:12
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KotCzarnymsh: hmm, have you played with compositing on maemo?09:26
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KotCzarnyxcompmgr works09:41
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KotCzarnylooks really nice09:43
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BugBluemoin allen10:35
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JaffaMorning, all10:40
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monkeyiqis there a way to get to see the framebuffer on bootup? so you can see where/what is failing and making the device autoreoobot?11:03
qwerty12Not FB at all but :
qwerty12FB driver fails to compile for me, I looked at the parts where it was failing and fixed it and my N800 wouldn't boot with that kernel :D11:05
KotCzarnyhehe 'fixed'11:06
* KotCzarny is fixing xmms11:06
qwerty12I thought the same thing :D but it compiled so there! :p :)11:06
monkeyiq:( something is killing it after the hand shake, so its fairly late on, but I have no way to know what it is right now. Lucky I have dual boot so I can try methods to debug what is wrong11:06
qwerty12Use that thread I mentioned, IMHO, it seems like a init script if it is that far on.11:07
monkeyiqyeah, it looks like it might save me :)11:07
qwerty12fanoush has code in there that will tell you which script is being executed.11:07
qwerty12Does anybody know if you can get the extra information about software information at bootup when rd mode is enabled - without having rd mode turned on? I plan on reflashing fanoush's initfs. Fanoush mentions the show_rd_versions() function but is it enabled if rd mode isnt?11:12
qwerty12i.e can you use the show_rd_versions function if rd mode is turned off?11:13
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monkeyiqcharmed, '/usr/bin/hildon-desktop ' spawning too fast -> reset11:45
monkeyiqin syslog. Not quite the easiest thing in the world to fix :/11:45
monkeyiqand strangely google seems to know *nothing* about it.11:46
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qwerty12It's mentioned in that thread but you can start usb networking via initfs and boot into OS2008 with usb networking still on. You can also disable watchdog too.11:47
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monkeyiqhmm, I guess the old remove some random service, or stop networking etc and see if hildon-desktop still death spawns routine might work11:49
monkeyiqstill analysing the syslog to see if there is anything in there that might give hildon the shits11:49
monkeyiqit appears to even be bringing up the WPA2 AP, so its fairly much booted, just hildon-deskop keeps busy respawning11:50
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KotCzarnyinstall getty ?11:50
monkeyiqwell, that might work, if I could get a non graphical default runlevel.11:52
qwerty12I'm having a problem with nonworking rotation. I think it's because I flashed one of my testing kernels :(. I'll try the standard kernel with rotation jott has on his site.11:52
qwerty12I don't think being in RD mode would affect the rotation :/ . Funny thing was, it was working for me fine before I had to reflash :(11:54
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qwerty12w00t, it's my b0ll0x kernel! Time to delete my kernel tree and start over11:59
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monkeyiqare the normal maemo repositories accessible via ftp? it seems that without hildon-desktop the other system boots OK, but is quite useless because of no GUI.12:27
KotCzarnyno, only http12:27
monkeyiqI might try an older hildon-desktop pkg to see if i can get it running again12:27
qwerty12You could grab links?12:28
monkeyiqIIRC there was something hildon-ish that was updated earler in the day12:28
* monkeyiq installs and crosses fingers.12:34
monkeyiqI guess I did play around with the structure of the menu entries with the GUI today too... just had to make it nice and easy to use.12:35
monkeyiqnup, the beep and reboot!12:35
monkeyiqlooks like I might have to shelve the n810 for a while until I can commit to redoing all the setup work again :/12:36
monkeyiqor a new hildon-desktop pkg becomes available.12:36
KotCzarnywhy not a simple reflash?12:36
qwerty12modify to enable the option to let you boot with usb networking enabled, disable watchdog and when hildon desktop hangs - kill it and run it yourself and see what the output is.12:37
qwerty12a bit long though12:37
monkeyiqwell, I can boot of the 256mb card just fine, its all the setup / tweaking I did on the install on the immc2 card that I can't boot into :(12:37
KotCzarnythen copy hildon-desktop from mmc?12:37
monkeyiqwell, as I just reinstalled hildon-desktop from a deb inside a chroot I imagine that it is fine12:38
monkeyiqjust that it crashes itself for some reason12:38
monkeyiqqwerty12; ok, I'll tag that as a final ray of light :)12:38
monkeyiqit's always these sorts of things that happen just before you tar.gz immc2 for safekeeping :/12:39
qwerty12I know what you mean, I'm sorting out a new install :(12:40
qwerty12I ran rm -rf / by accident and I'm reinstalling apps etc... :(12:40
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JaffaAnyone tried Python-Launcher with Python apps on OS2008 yet?13:24
qwerty12I did, works quite well13:25
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qwerty12Canola launches faster imo13:25
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pupnik_thanks for your feedback and stuff in the itt gaming qwerty1213:29
KotCzarnypupnik: i have fixed xmms here and there :)13:29
pupnik_it's a strange world, only like 20 people on earth interested in the games13:29
lcukhas anyone seen my vmware desktop session?   i had it last night but now its gone.13:30
pupnik_it's my birthday and i am very drunk13:30
qwerty12pupnik_: No problem, thanks for appricating :)13:30
qwerty12Happy Birthday! :)13:30
KotCzarnyyou shouldn't drink13:30
lcukgood for you pupnik :) enjoy the drunkeness13:30
pupnik_crazy things happened, i won't share them13:30
lcuk(and the gaming is good, it might not seen it now but your effort is very worthy )13:30
pupnik_but one must appreciate crazy days13:31
GeneralAntillesHappy birthday, pupnik_.13:31
* lcuk recalls searching google for porn and generating some code then falling asleep13:32
lcuk(!) kot, it was your fault13:32
* KotCzarny yawns13:32
KotCzarnyit's not me13:33
KotCzarnyit's the tubes13:33
qwerty12lol :D13:33
lcukit bloody was you i just scrolled back13:33
GeneralAntillesI woke up sleeping on my N800 this morning.13:33
KotCzarny^ perv13:33
lcukwet wipes get it clean again13:33
KotCzarny(and idiot)13:33
qwerty12Haha lol, i'm a perv by name ;) :P not by nature :P :D13:33
GeneralAntillesI think I only got about a quarter of the way through the Lexx episode I was watching.13:33
lcukwhich series are you up to13:33
GeneralAntillesSecond season13:34
GeneralAntillesI saw most of them when they were on SciFi back in the day.13:34
GeneralAntillesBut I was young and I don't remember.13:34
lcukstill got zev then, or has xev replaced her13:34
GeneralAntillesShe was replaced.13:34
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* lcuk prefered the original13:35
GeneralAntillesZev only got 2 episodes in season 2.13:35
GeneralAntillesYeah, I do too.13:36
* qwerty12 hates rotation patch :@. I'm having problems with the kernel patch. This is my 6th compile in 30 mins. Wish me luck :D13:38
KotCzarnyqwerty: what problems?13:39
qwerty12The rotation sometimes works and sometimes messes up (screen stays landscape) but it rotates right without any screen update etc13:39
qwerty12I think its my recent flash.13:39
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qwerty12Another guy had the same problem and reflashed the N800 but I just reflashed mine yesterday and don't want to do that again.13:40
qwerty12Same kernel that worked for me previously has problems on this flash.13:41
lcukhave you installed anything else or restored your backup13:41
* GeneralAntilles hopes Diablo is coming next week, then qwerty12 is gonna have to do it all over again. :P13:41
qwerty12I've just installed games and no backup restored. Its working for me now but I'm gonna reboot and try again :)13:42
qwerty12General: You are cruel :P :D13:42
lcuknot cruel, just a sadist13:42
GeneralAntillesNot cruel! We'll have Diablo. :]13:42
qwerty12True, but I don't think it will be just me who has to reinstall :p13:42
GeneralAntillesJaffa, what was up with the VOB access, anyway. My mplayer being stupid again? :P13:43
JaffaGeneralAntilles: no, user error - but I've made it smarter so it detects you're accessing a VOB directly and switches to considering it as a whole DVD13:43
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qwerty12Nope, rotation is messing me around again, it works randomly. I guess I have to live with it.13:44
GeneralAntillesRandomly was about how well it worked for me when I tried it.13:44
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qwerty12For me, I had problems but the screen would always rotate in my last flash. I guess I can live without it :/13:45
KotCzarnyqwerty: wanna test my kernel?13:45
qwerty12I don't mind but what features does it have? :)13:45
KotCzarnymmc patch and rotate for sure13:45
KotCzarnywere there any others?13:46
qwerty12TBH, I'm not trying to put your work down but fanoush's kernel also has them too :)13:46
KotCzarnybut i have compiled some modules for me13:46
KotCzarnyso i needed it anyway13:47
qwerty12:). For me, my one has the features of Fanoush's (due to him releasing the patches with the latest release of his :) (backlight, PPTP, MMC & rotation) & the usb powercheck disabled & USB DMA disabled & LUKS support enabled.13:48
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KotCzarnybacklight? luks?13:48
KotCzarnyand usb powercheck sounds dangerous :)13:49
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qwerty12The full 128 brightness being enabled in kernel :), LUKS is the Linux Encryption (Standard?)
qwerty12I agree with you :)13:50
GeneralAntillesNo point doing brightness in kernel13:50
GeneralAntillesjust use adv-backlight13:50
KotCzarnyhmm, and default is how much?13:50
KotCzarnybecause i have adv-backlight statusbar plugin13:50
KotCzarnythat does the same13:51
qwerty12I like adv-backlight but I quite like using blset too13:51
qwerty12I think they do the same TBH13:51
GeneralAntillesThey do do the same.13:51
GeneralAntillesBut you don't have to open up an xterm to use adv-backlight. :P13:51
qwerty12True :D13:51
KotCzarnyand luks is for what?13:51
KotCzarnyah, sorry13:52
KotCzarnyhaven't seen it :)13:52
qwerty12Although you can use truecrypt too :)13:52
qwerty12The fun thing is with kernel patch, you can set brightness to 0! Making it impossible to see your devices screen! W00T! :D13:52
KotCzarnyi don't know if it's a feature..13:53
qwerty12It's not a bug, I tell you!13:53
GeneralAntillesYou can do that with adv-backlight, too. :P13:53
GeneralAntillesJust not on the N800.13:53
GeneralAntillesSince it's smart.13:53
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KotCzarnydisco backlight?13:53
qwerty12Yeah, I took out my battery when I set it on 0 for fun >.<13:54
GeneralAntillesI did it once or twice on accident.13:54
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KotCzarnyi should write a xmms plugin for that13:54
GeneralAntillesPressing d-pad up twice and sending one of the prior settings worked out OK, though.13:54
KotCzarnyor at least for dpad led13:54
qwerty12I have a bad habit from my SonyEricsson times of taking out the battery13:54
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KotCzarnybut you will have to discharge it to ~40% first13:55
KotCzarnyqwerty: make a truecrypt volume inside luks13:58
qwerty12I haven't got round to setting up a luks partition yet :p :D13:58
KotCzarnyhaving fingerprint and/or face password app could be nice too :>13:59
qwerty12I wouldn't like to try out a face pwd app with the N800 camera... :p14:00
KotCzarnywhy, it will only take removing colour14:00
qwerty12Nice :)14:01
qwerty12But I'm not really a fan of the camera on the N800. I don't use my N800 for video calls and I bring out my phone for pictures.14:02
pupnik_death, impregnation14:02
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KotCzarnypupnik: you are the father?14:02
GeneralAntillesJust some of the crazy things you experienced on your Birthday? :D14:02
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KotCzarnyqwerty: i have realized that it will be my music box :>14:05
KotCzarnyxmms + mikmod/sidplay14:05
qwerty12Cool :). Isn't mikmod & sidplay for music of old games or something? Excuse my ignorance.14:06
KotCzarnybut handles mp3/ogg/mpc as well14:07
qwerty12Oh ok :)14:07
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KotCzarnyi think i'll hold on to my n800 though14:13
qwerty12Atari = ugly :p14:14
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KotCzarny8080 based portable :>14:14
lcukyes, but the folie is over 15 years old14:14
KotCzarnyi'm even older than folio14:14
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lcukwell we kind of noticed you were a bit of a fossil :P14:15
KotCzarnypf :P14:16
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crashanddieI'm trying to package commoncpp2 into a .deb for a special arch (within scratchbox, for armel), but when I use dpkg-buildpackage I only get a .deb that has the docs, nothing else... Any pointers ?14:20
KotCzarnydoes a commoncpp2 .deb package exist for debian/ubuntu?14:22
KotCzarnyif yes you can steal debian/ subdir14:22
KotCzarnymmm, pie14:29
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crashanddieKotCzarny, hmm...14:38
crashanddieKotCzarny, awesome idea !14:38
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dick-richardsondoes the n810 support a2dp?14:42
jeff1fNot fully14:42
jeff1fI think14:42
aquatixhm, good question14:42
aquatixtoo bad14:42
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jeff1fApparently it doesn't work too well14:43
GeneralAntillesBut it's a CPU hog14:43
GeneralAntillesSo you can't really do anything else while you're using it.14:43
dick-richardsonis it by nature a cpu hog? or are there code optimizations that could  address that to some degree?14:44
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GeneralAntillesIt's pretty much a CPU hog no matter what14:46
GeneralAntillesBut there are a lot of optimizations that can (and are) being done.14:47
aquatixhm, too bad14:47
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dick-richardsonjust picked up a parrot rk8200 car stereo and am hoping to get my music off the n810 digitally while still being able to use gps14:48
crashanddieKotCzarny, it's a shame though, existent .deb only incorporate the debian/control file, and not the debian/rules, which is probably the one where something goes wrong14:48
aquatixcould've been really cool with such a thing:
KotCzarnycrashanddie: then look for source14:48
GeneralAntillesOptimizations are ongoing14:48
crashanddieKotCzarny, d'you think the source will have the control file ?14:49
GeneralAntillesThe INdT guys are doing a lot14:49
GeneralAntillesAD2P is on the roadmap14:49
KotCzarnyget all 3 files14:49
GeneralAntillesNokia wont bundle it until it gets somewhat optimized.14:49
KotCzarnyand do dpkg-source -x somefile.dsc14:49
KotCzarnythat will unpack and patch original source with debian specific stuff14:49
KotCzarnywhich include debian/ dir14:49
crashanddieKotCzarny, thanks14:50
aquatixhm, the INdT stuff is a hacked Nokia firmware?14:50
dick-richardsonI've been out of the loop to some degree, is there an expectation that they're going to kick hildon to the curb and go with a qt based platform?14:50
aquatixdick-richardson: ew :P14:50
KotCzarnyi would prefer gtk2 :/14:50
KotCzarnyqt is a mem hog14:51
KotCzarny(so is gtk2)14:51
* aquatix likes the looks of gtk2 progs better generally14:51
lcukno point in buying trolltech if they arent gonna do anything with it14:51
aquatixand the applications14:51
lcukbut i dont expect things to change overnight14:51
dick-richardsonlcuk: that's my thought...14:51
aquatixit's unlikely they'll change the complete environment suddenly14:52
KotCzarnywho know14:52
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aquatixmaybe they'll start creating smartphone with it first14:52
aquatixwouldn't mind that14:52
aquatixmultimedia phones and such14:52
KotCzarnystarting from scratch is sometimes better14:53
aquatixNokia Greenphone :)14:53
monkeyiqI presume installing gdb on the 810 is the best way to get a backtrace?14:55
GeneralAntillesaquatix, mamona is the all-free SDK/firmware, but it really doesn't have anything to do with their AD2P stuff.14:55
KotCzarnyhmm, does gdb work?14:56
GeneralAntillesdick-richardson, anything about Qt or Hildon and the future is pure speculation right now.14:56
KotCzarnylast time i tried copying it from scratchbox it failed14:56
GeneralAntillesWe know Qt WILL play a part at some point in the future (Quim and others have said as much), but we really don't know anything more.14:56
monkeyiqwell I have it at the point where I can run hildon-dekstop and it segvs on me14:56
monkeyiqso I'd like to be able to get a hint as to why.14:57
KotCzarnystrace ?14:57
KotCzarnymaybe it's just a missing file14:57
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monkeyiqyay, raise() in libc after ??15:00
monkeyiqseems quite stack smashish15:00
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monkeyiqI'll see if strace has any thoughts15:01
lcukbefore i run this and have a rogue pointer on my hands, is this the correct syntax to use a char * as a short, and will the pointer actually advance 2 bytes or just 1?    :     *(unsigned short *)buffer++ = xyz;15:02
KotCzarnysounds like portability hell15:03
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lcukim not interested in portability, this is in an 8x0 specific class :)15:03
KotCzarnysomeone will scream over this one day15:03
elbI'm not sure about the precedence of ++ versus a cast15:04
elbyou should probably make that explicit15:04
lcukno they wont because the class will have been replaced with device specifics.   elb, thats what i am wondering also15:04
elbI would break that into two lines, even15:04
elbthere's no sense in getting too clever15:04
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elb(that is, the dereference and the advance15:04
lcukbut the optimiser wont update it, buffer is a register variable and i wanted to keep it as one opcode15:05
elbis this premature optimization?15:05
lcukwell this is inside a blit routine which is already being heavily optimised..15:06
monkeyiqand strace gives nothing interesting either.15:06
lcukill do a bit of checking15:06
monkeyiqso, maybe there are hardware issues here or something. but hildon-desktop doesn't get far at all before segv15:06
elbI would at least do *((unsigned short *)buffer)++15:07
elbmy general rule on precedence is "if I have to look it up, make it explicit" ;-)15:08
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elbbecause the next guy will probably have to look it up, too15:08
crashanddie++ comes after the cast15:09
dtahtbotcrashanddie: Error: "+" is not a valid command.15:09
crashanddiebut yeah, explicit isn't bad15:09
lcukelb :) thx - you are right, i just thought the dereference would not update the actual variable, but now I have seen what you put you are 100% and thats how i used to do it15:12
lcuk(i just tested by the way and the ++ was going up by a single byte)15:13
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lcukboo: liqstars.c:47: warning: use of cast expressions as lvalues is deprecated ;)15:14
lcukworks tho15:14
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* lcuk reads up and changes tact :)15:16
* lcuk puts original nice code back for now15:16
elbwhy is your variable a register variable, by the way?15:18
elbif it's not tied to a specific register for specific purposes, the compiler is almost certainly better at assigning registers than the programmer15:19
lcukbecause it is much faster that way15:19
lcuknot tied to a specific, just a hint that it should be on a register15:19
elbyeah, you probably simply shouldn't do that15:19
lcukits just the same kind of hint as inline15:20
elbunless you've proven that the compiler makes a poorer choice for that particular function empirically, in which case you'll want to reverify that with every release of the compiler to see when it gets better than you are15:20
elbinline is *in practicality* a different kind of hint, because gcc has not until recently done much inter-function optimization, or any inter-object optimization at all15:21
elb(this is changing, and I expect inline to go the way of the dodo)15:21
lcukbut i dont want to have to verify every fudging compiler that i might ever compile against and i know 100% that the few variables i have must under best case scenario be held on a register.15:22
lcukthe register flag is there for me to give the compiler that hint so i will leave it in15:22
elb(at least think very hard about why you "know" that, and whether it's actually true)15:23
lcuki KNOW that because pushing and popping a decrementing counter of the stack is orders of magnitude slower than using the reg.  come on im not stupid, im inside a blit loop there is nothing wrong with it15:24
KotCzarnydo not think, test15:24
KotCzarnyerm. wrong15:24
KotCzarnythink and test :)15:24
lcuki have done15:25
lcukLOTS of tests15:25
elbif supplying 'register' truly helps, emprically, you probably should file a bug against the gcc optimizers15:26
elb(it's quite possible that the ARM optimizer is simply bad)15:26
KotCzarnylcuk: gcc autooptimizing too?15:27
lcuki have written hundreds of functions in this little program and i have chosen 1 single function to use register, stop berating me i'm just sprinkling on the special sauce15:27
elbI'm not berating you at all15:28
elbin fact, I don't know anything about you or your program15:28
elbwhat I *do* know is that virtually al luses of the keyword 'register' do nothing but hinder the compiler15:28
elbsome compilers even ignore it, because of this15:29
elbI've not done anything but suggest that you check your assumptions -- if you're truly confident in them, you should not feel threatened :-P15:29
elbgiving every single variable in the function a register is almost certainly not productive :-P15:31
KotCzarny~it's a kind of magic~15:31
lcukelb, why not - i have quite a few available to me unless i am using thumb15:31
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lcukif i dumbed it down to assembler it would be an all reg function15:31
lcukanyway, the best part was what I just removed from the pastebin: 4 lines of: unsigned int dummyslowdown =linecount*srclinejump+dstlinejump-*srcdataptr+dummystore;15:33
qwerty12_N800Kot: Quick q please, in your  it talk sig, you say bootloader, do you mean you flashed a custom or something? :)15:33
KotCzarnyqwerty: no, just a fanoush bootmenu15:33
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KotCzarnyi can change it if it confuses you :)15:34
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qwerty12_N800Kot: ok lol, my bad :)15:35
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qwerty12_N800I have the most pointless bootmenu set up lol15:36
KotCzarnyone entry?15:36
qwerty12_N800No, lots of entries for partitions I don't have lol, I use it for showing owner info15:37
KotCzarnyhuh :)15:37
KotCzarnynice idea :)15:37
qwerty12_N800I need to make changes for rd mode though :/15:38
qwerty12_N800Thanks :)15:38
KotCzarnydoes flashing with nokias image remove bootmenu?15:38
lcukVERY nice idea15:38
qwerty12_N800I stole the idea from Rodrigo though :D15:38
lcukalternatively, you could just change the boot picture15:38
qwerty12_N800no, bootmenu clears the extended rd mode info15:38
KotCzarnylcuk: or desktop wallpaper?15:38
KotCzarnyqwerty: so it's not that easy to remove too ;)15:39
qwerty12_N800:), when you say image, do you mean .bin?15:40
KotCzarnyfiasco image15:40
KotCzarnyor whatever it's called15:40
* lcuk makes a retinal scan program to ensure authorized users only15:40
qwerty12_N800oh, yes reflashing bin image onto flash also reflashes initfs :(15:41
* WormFood removed lcuk's eye to bypass his retinal scan program ;)15:41
lcukmy eyes!   the nokia, it does nothing15:42
KotCzarnythen i guess the only face way is to engrave on the case :)15:42
KotCzarnyi should really go to sleep15:42
lcukbut i wouldnt wanna buy a nokia with your name on it15:42
WormFoodgo to sleep? what time is it there?15:42
KotCzarnylcuk: why should you, it's mine! all mine! mauauhahahaha!1!!1!15:43
qwerty12_N800Kot: hehe true15:44
lcukany device i own with a camera I take a picture of my information.  my actual camera download&clear program actually re-uploads this info card everytime i clear the memory card15:44
WormFoodjust change your name to "nokia", then they all have your name ;)15:44
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qwerty12_N800i don't really fancy naming my self after a Finnish town :p15:44
lcukand people will keep picking you up and trying to find your SIM slot15:45
WormFoodqwerty12_N800, I'm in should see some of the "english" names people give themselves15:45
WormFoodI met a woman named "aney", and another named "tramy" (which is too close to "tranny")15:46
qwerty12_N800lcuk:I don't want to be analYsed...15:46
qwerty12_N800wf: lol15:46
KotCzarnyfu king15:46
KotCzarnyactual city15:47
KotCzarnywhole province even15:47
qwerty12_N800bangkok, anyone? :p15:47
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sp3000a whole f****** province!? :P15:47
LynoureWormFood: comparable to WormFood, I'd say =)15:47
WormFoodthe name of the city I'm in is "广州"15:47
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lcukold chinese proverb: "man who walks through airport doors sideways is going to bangkok"15:48
WormFooddo you know how "bangkok" got its name?15:49
WormFoodit is not called "the city of whores" for nothing15:49
lcukactually, according to wikipedia its called "Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit "15:50
WormFoodI understand that when (if) I go back to usa, they will want to search my computer and any CD/ I want to get a CD of the most disgusting pictures I can find, and label it "Thailand sex vacation" for the authorities to look at15:50
lcukwhich is a bit of a mouthful15:50
KotCzarnymouthful, yes, thx15:51
lcukWormFood, you would most likely be rejected from entering.  but that kind of thinking is what is needed to show how silly this is15:52
WormFood"silly"? it is an invasion of my privacy15:52
WormFoodI will encrypt my hard drive several times over before I go back to usa15:53
lcukthey can already search every other part of your luggage, they think they can search everything else15:53
lcukyou might be hiding a midget vampire in your case15:54
WormFoodI actually have more freedoms in China!15:54
KotCzarnybag of nuts15:54
WormFoodI was not searched when I went to china!15:54
KotCzarnyno, you don't15:54
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WormFoodI was not searched when I went to Hong Kong15:54
WormFoodI was not searched when I went back to China!15:54
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WormFoodThey might censor my internet, but I have more privacy here15:55
AStormhmm hmm15:55
AStormdoes anyone have a build of Tor for maemo?15:55
lcukthey dont censor ALL of your internet though :)15:55
aquatixWormFood: if you encrypt, they will insist on you entering the pw's15:55
aquatixthat's the whole issue15:55
WormFoodI won't have the passwords15:55
KotCzarnyastorm: proxy over ssl is enough15:55
* aquatix isn't going to visit US anytime soon15:55
WormFoodthey can get a decrypt with a legit court order15:55
KotCzarny(ie. ssh forwarding)15:56
AStormaquatix: no prob, truecrypt has two partitions15:56
aquatixAStorm: true :)15:56
AStormuhm, hidden partition15:56
aquatixdeniable thingee15:56
AStormand you can use a key on usb15:56
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aquatixwhatsitcaleld :/15:56
AStormand destroy it15:56
lcukbut you talking about it here means you know about it15:56
WormFoodrubber hose encryption15:56
LynoureI'll just stay out of the country... to risky for an opinionated non-native15:56
AStormjust drop and step on it15:56
AStormuse a flimsy one15:56
aquatixLynoure: :)15:56
KotCzarnypocket emp15:57
aquatixAStorm: `woopsie'15:57
lcukencryption shows you have something to hide.  now place your hands against the wall and spread em - i'll go get my gloves15:57
aquatixKotCzarny: that'll put you in jail i guess ;)15:57
lcukin the uk they CAN put you in jail15:57
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WormFoodthere are a lot of reasons to have something to hide, other than doing something wrong15:57
AStormthey can15:57
KotCzarnyaquatix: made from disposable camera :)15:57
lcukdecide quickly:   give up your pass codes or go down15:57
aquatixKotCzarny: yeah, saw them15:57
AStormbut you can say: my key got destroyed15:57
AStormby investigation15:57
KotCzarnyor 'it's not mine'15:58
AStormsimple deathtrap15:58
lcukno, thats worse15:58
WormFoodI will burn a few DVDs of random data for them to mull over too ;)15:58
AStormlcuk: you didn't destroy it15:58
lcuknever carry someone elses luggage over the border15:58
AStormthey did15:58
KotCzarny'airlines misplaced them!'15:58
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WormFoodcopy everything over ssh to a drive in usa, then erase your hard drive ;)15:59
AStormKotCzarny: that won't work15:59
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aquatixmaybe i'll just wave my government id and say `state secrets, move along' ;)15:59
AStormthey keep exact books15:59
AStormaquatix: haha, not everyone has that15:59
aquatixAStorm: or `loose' your usb key15:59
aquatixAStorm: i know ;)15:59
AStormaquatix: lost can be found15:59
WormFoodI won't have a key on me15:59
aquatixand i'm just a lousy peon anyway15:59
AStormdestroyed is very hard to recover15:59
WormFoodmy key will be on another machine15:59
KotCzarnyah, well i can simply send key to someone in another country16:00
AStormWormFood: good idea16:00
AStormlinked machines16:00
KotCzarny'i don't know the pass, sorry'16:00
aquatixWormFood: yeah, `i don't have the key on me, my company has it'16:00
aquatixor something16:00
WormFoodexactly! "I do not know the key!"16:00
AStormselfdestruct if link is broken16:00
AStormand pass isn'tt entered in x seconds16:00
WormFoodthey will just remove the hard drive and copy it16:01
lcukbut they arent running code16:01
WormFoodthe way to get around that is to encrypt the hard drive several times16:01
lcukwell - the tsa guys will be doing for efficiency16:01
KotCzarnycustom hdd firmware?16:01
AStormwhen they find out, it's too late16:01
AStormKotCzarny: pendrive is more secure16:01
AStormeasier to destroy16:01
AStormand much harder to recover16:02
KotCzarnyharddrives are easy to destroy too16:02
lcukthere is no way they have custom equipment able to strip and connect every computer that comes through the border and connect its drive.  for instance the n8x0 - how would they extract the drive to run it standalone?16:02
KotCzarny'don't push the cover'16:02
AStormKotCzarny: blah, mechanically16:02
AStormyou need a press for that16:02
GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to go trout walloping at the TSA.16:02
GeneralAntillesSecurity theater is so awesome.16:02
AStormpendrive only needs a boot16:03
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AStormthe chip is very easy to destroy16:03
KotCzarnyyou won't be able to boot16:03
AStormto drop and step on ot in 2 s' I will.16:03
KotCzarny'blah, mechanically'16:04
lcukuse a james bond usb pendrive watch :)16:04
GeneralAntillesIt's amazing how all of a society's stupid people amass themselves in government.16:04
AStormnah, normal flimsy tiny pendrive works16:04
GeneralAntillesand people want to give government more power. <_<16:04
lcukthey arent gonna be checking the ram inside every single piece of equipment, there simply isnt enough time16:04
AStormGeneralAntilles: it's a law of incompetence16:04
AStormlcuk: there is16:04
KotCzarnyhiding data in cmos?16:04
lcukdownloading the data from EVERY ipod or cd or drive will take forever16:04
AStormit's actually quick to check16:05
AStormKotCzarny: too hard to remove16:05
KotCzarnylcuk: having badblocks is fun too16:05
lcukis it bollocks, data bus wont handle it16:05
lcuklol kot :D16:05
aquatixlcuk: hm, they'll get free music that way though ;)16:05
GeneralAntillesand completely and totally pointless.16:05
AStormthey'll just scan the files16:05
lcukso i walk in with my camera which has a memory card in it, they would check it and look through my photos, would they know to remove the card and check the internal memory?16:05
GeneralAntillesI'm in favor of just opening the borders wide.16:05
AStormfor anything suspicious16:05
AStormbtw, steganography is fun16:06
aquatixlcuk: good point16:06
GeneralAntillesWith the understanding that people who immigrate illegally don't get any government support.16:06
aquatixAStorm: indeed!16:06
lcukno, not sten, just internal memory16:06
AStormso is keyfile of some uhsuspicious file16:06
KotCzarnylcuk: if they knew you can be the one16:06
KotCzarnythey will strip you of everything16:06
lcukso TSA are now experts on EVERY piece of hardware16:06
KotCzarnyand knowledgable people will take over16:06
GeneralAntillesTSA are experts on everything.16:07
AStormdram is getting harder and harder to uncover data from16:07
AStormtoo high refresh rate16:07
lcukyer right.  they will peek at the laptops and fondle the ipods and look on the cameras but nothing more than a cursory glance16:07
lcuksimply not enough knowledge in the world16:07
AStormthey have automated tools for that16:07
lcukfor what? extracting data?   get me one of those computers because it would be a dream16:08
AStormfor scanning data16:08
AStorme.g. grab a list of jpegs16:08
lcukbut how can they scan for data they dont know is there?   i already said they will look where they know16:08
KotCzarnyusually it's a human that's the weakest link16:08
KotCzarnyso they won't have to scan your electronics16:08
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AStormor look for certain md516:09
KotCzarnyonly scan your background16:09
AStorm(e.g. known child porn)16:09
lcuksoftware scanning with data they find is one thing, but they will not know to look in every device16:09
AStormsimple and efficient16:09
AStormthey will know16:09
AStormthey're now scanning everything16:09
WormFoodwhat if you take your own pictures?16:09
AStormat least here16:09
WormFoodhow can they scan for that?16:09
AStormthey found stuff on a camera16:10
lcukthats the point, they can't know.  there is not a single system in the world that will tell them where all the memory chips are and how to access them16:10
WormFoodthat is what they are looking for (or one of the things)16:10
animamicro sd up to anus? ;)16:10
aquatix[polish girl doing her driving lessons]16:10
* lcuk wont look at any links today16:10
AStormanima: fun idea, but too easy to lose16:10
AStormaquatix: I guess it's old16:10
KotCzarnyastorm: i saw that :)16:11
KotCzarnyastorm: do you know 'koperta' ?16:11
aquatixanima: right, yet another reason for them to do a cavity search...16:11
KotCzarnyerm. s/astorm/aquatix/16:11
lcukcavity search is a known location for lots of contraband16:11
AStormbetter saw the SD under skin16:12
GeneralAntillesTSA agents should only get to do strip searches if passengers get to do them back.16:12
lcukif you are walking like a cowboy you are probably packing16:12
AStorma bit intrusive16:12
AStormbut easy to do16:12
AStormofc if the data is worth it16:12
lcuki would be a TSA agent if i got to strip search some nubile female travellers16:12
aquatixKotCzarny: koperta?16:12
KotCzarnyaquatix: do you understand polish?16:12
GeneralAntillesActually, I think everybody should have to fly nude.16:12
aquatixKotCzarny: nope16:12
lcukbut i would be bad at my job because i would allow the fat hairy blokes on unsearched16:12
AStormaquatix: it's a parking special mark in Poland16:12
GeneralAntillesThere'd be no problems at all if everybody were nude.16:12
aquatixAStorm: ah, ok16:13
KotCzarnyit's a skit16:13
AStormGeneralAntilles: there wouldbe16:13
lcukagreed GeneralAntilles thats actually a reasonable plan :)16:13
WormFoodI'm nude, does that count?16:13
WormFoodactually, we are all nude...under our clothes16:13
aquatixWormFood: erm, true, but tmi ;)16:13
AStorma sad truth ;)16:13
KotCzarnywe are covered with dirts16:13
celesteh_rulesi'm going to be a lot more concerned if the person next to me is sort of spilling over into my seat16:13
KotCzarnyand bacteria16:13
KotCzarnyand dead skin16:14
aquatixcelesteh_rules: :)16:14
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lcukcelesteh_rules, be more after of the person behind you spilling something into your seat16:14
dick-richardsonwhat about winter?16:14
WormFoodI'm not nude, I'm wearing my birthday suit ;)16:14
GeneralAntillesdick-richardson, airports and airplanes are generally air conditioned. :P16:14
WormFoodI'll be back after a while16:15
lcukwinter would even up the stakes amongst the men and give us extra coat hangers from the girls16:15
KotCzarnyair conditioned to 18C16:15
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qwerty12_N800lol, go ffor some earth hour16:15
GeneralAntilleslcuk, <_<16:15
lcukits a long hour though16:15
lcukaround the world it went dark last night in lots of places - i turned my lights off as well :)16:15
celesteh_rulesi think pointy, cold nipples is a human universal16:15
dick-richardsonyes, but mine aren't nearly as interesting16:16
lcukbut womens are ermmm bigger and more impressive looking16:16
lcuk(apart from those which sag to the knees)16:16
KotCzarnyscratch that16:16
KotCzarnyand add '16:17
GeneralAntillesMs. Chokesondick? :P16:17
dick-richardsonI had a teacher like that :(16:17
celesteh_rulesi am never flying to or from a desytination in the american midwest if we all have to be naked16:17
lcukwhy not, the beer belly will cover up most of the problems16:17
dick-richardsonI live in the really depends on_where_16:17
celesteh_ruleshm, actually, i once had a connection in vegas.  that's what i'd skip16:18
dick-richardsonI can assure it isn't anywhere near me, however16:18
celesteh_rulesand also dallas16:18
celesteh_rulesnever been in or through florida16:18
dick-richardsonIt's good16:19
lcukarent most nude anyway in vegas and florida16:19
dick-richardsonnot the ones you'd hope for16:19
KotCzarnylcuk: on the plane they will be too close16:19
lcukwhy not, if we got all the blokes to stand at the front of the plane and do our propella party piece then we would save the planet16:20
dick-richardsonI doubt my ability to generate the necessary thrust16:21
celesteh_rulesdoes that, um, generate lift?16:21
celesteh_rulesah, lift and trust jokes . . .  how about that latest OS release16:21
dick-richardsonthis is quickly spiraling downward16:21
lcukdick-richardson, yes, you have to thrust your hips at the same time16:21
GeneralAntillesSo, uh, anyway, anybody have an release projections for Diablo. . . . <_<16:22
celesteh_rulesIRC . . . for when you want to feel like a 14 year old boy again16:22
* KotCzarny yawns16:23
lcukdid any of us really grow up though?  seriously when you get together with your friends from school don't you regress?16:23
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dick-richardsonthis conversation has me wondering if I ever really PROgressed16:24
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lcukwe have i think, but its good to be reminded of your roots16:25
lcukthe day i stop having fun will be the day i drop dead16:25
lcukinternet: serious business16:26
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aquatixone of the nice things of irc is when you're having fun of weird subjects16:32
aquatixjust random stuff16:32
aquatixscrew growing up ;)16:33
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crashanddieI think the guys on IRC stole that from the guys meeting up IRL16:33
KotCzarnythose irc bastards!16:33
aquatixcrashanddie: growing up?16:34
lcuki have had random conversations about stuff since before irc.  it started in school with actual conversations, but wasnt quite as random, then we got CBs and it went really random16:34
aquatixlcuk: true :)16:34
crashanddieaquatix, "having fun of weird subjects, just random stuff"16:34
lcukodd people who have something to hide behind16:34
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* aquatix likes to be random now and then, also in RL16:34
KotCzarnychannel hopping?16:34
lcukkeeps ppl on their toes16:34
aquatixkeeps people on their toes around me ;)16:35
crashanddieI ought to write a script which pulls the debian source packages and recompiles 'em for all the dependencies I need :/16:35
lcukKotCzarny, its fun to be an internet troll occasionally :)16:35
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KotCzarnyit's addictive16:36
lcuknow we have pansies who think rickrolling is hardcore16:36
KotCzarnydip them good16:37
celesteh_ruleswhat is rockrolling?  i keep seeing that word around16:37
KotCzarnyand i should be sleeping for a 10 hours already16:37
lcuk*ahem* heres a preview of the maemo new interface:
aquatixlcuk: :P16:38
KotCzarnyi hope it's not pr0n16:38
lcukits frikkin youtube16:38
KotCzarnygood thing i have flashblock16:38
lcukgood thing i am on the credits of flashblock :)16:38
* lcuk helped cure a problem and thinks its the best addin for firefox16:39
celesteh_rulesthis is like goatse, but G rated16:39
lcukcelesteh_rules, my point exactly16:39
KotCzarnylcuk: flash block doesn't work when javascript is off16:39
celesteh_rulesi think pansies would have, um, a more nuanced view of goatse vs rickroll16:39
aquatixweird guy, that Rick16:40
lcukflashblock would work if i had my way.  im actively considering making a proper exe addin for both maemo and windows/linux16:40
* crashanddie is going to build the whole maemo platform with -O916:40
aquatixlcuk: exe addin?16:40
KotCzarnythere's no such thing as -O916:40
KotCzarnyunless you use 2.9.something16:40
crashanddieyeah, I know, note the sarcasm16:40
KotCzarnyor something16:40
lcukie: flash is currently services by the adobe exe, replace this with a cover exe for flash and only allow the actual loading of flash after clicking16:41
lcukflashblock currently works with the page DOM AFTER its loaded16:41
aquatixcrashanddie: you riser! ;)16:41
KotCzarnybut it's a price for 'render while loading'16:41
KotCzarnyi think16:42
aquatixlcuk: you can also just switch the plugin off16:42
crashanddiewouldn't a greasemonkey script be more effective then ? greasemonkey is parsed before the loading occurs, right ?16:42
aquatixand only turn it on if you want16:42
lcukno, its the only palce to get the code inserted16:42
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lcukaquatix, if i swithc it off i cannot watch the items i want to see16:42
KotCzarnyproxy could be a solve16:42
lcuki choose to watch a movie, i choose to play a game, but i dont want my eyes distracted by adverts16:42
lcuki choose to disable animated gifs16:43
aquatixlcuk: ah, true16:43
lcukbut i actually allow static adverts :)16:43
* aquatix uses a host file with a lot of adblock thingees16:43
* KotCzarny uses junkbuster16:43
KotCzarnyhost file sux16:43
crashanddieI'm pretty glad flash took back its place on webpages16:43
aquatixspeeds up browsing on the tablet considerably though16:43
lcuki dont like to censor my web that much - i will not let anyone choose which hosts to block16:43
aquatixlcuk: myeah, good point16:43
KotCzarnyluk: :P16:43
aquatixbut if i'm browsing over gprs...16:43
lcukbesides, how will you know if i page is broken or blocked easily16:44
KotCzarnyand doubleclick16:44
* lcuk wont examine any random domains16:44
celesteh_rulesand  . . .  that ws the first time i've seen that video.  i think i /was/ 14 when it came out.  IS that the real ne.  Did we all dance awkwardly to something so very lame?16:44
lcukyes celesteh_rules16:45
aquatixcelesteh_rules: yeah, i think it was the first time i saw it too :)16:45
lcukthere are other horrors from that time, but thankfully the mists of time have eased the pain16:45
aquatix80's video clips rock ;)16:45
KotCzarny80's ads..16:45
aquatixthe ones from the 60's and 70's are even weirder16:45
aquatixKotCzarny: augh ;)16:46
celesteh_rulesthe reassuring thing, is that 14 and at a school dance, none of us were better dressers or dancers than that guy16:46
aquatixcelesteh_rules: :)16:47
lcuknow, talent - you are right celesteh_rules we are no better.   however old style trolls had something different to us.  they could do things with their bodies which no normal person would even attempt to attempt16:47
KotCzarnypreserving body fluids for a cause?16:48
lcukshe perserved them? in the brief glance i had i thought she was cleaning the bath16:49
celesteh_rulesyeah, trolls today suck.16:49
KotCzarnywhen you grow up you start seeing things differently16:49
celesteh_ruleskids today16:49
KotCzarnyand no coming back to happy times16:50
celesteh_rulesget off my lawn!16:50
lcukhappiness is what you make it.  if you can get over the lows, the higs are pretty good16:51
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KotCzarnywhere goes the window after minimizing?16:52
KotCzarnyit's a simple unmap?16:52
lcukwhich window/os/program16:52
crashanddieKotCzarny, which program ?16:52
celesteh_rulespast happy times = gone forever.  future happy times = in the queue16:53
KotCzarnynot hildonized16:53
lcukits still around - i minimised xchat and rebooted the other day it was in the background16:53
lcukand i got my program stuck - it hada a window but it also has an xv overlay16:53
KotCzarnyi have though about statusbar plugin for unminimizing16:53
lcuk<<<<<<< apps exist over there though on 81016:53
lcukeven minimised ones16:54
KotCzarnyxlsclients lists minimized windows too16:54
crashanddiesay, I've ported a few apps for the maemo platform, and I want to put them in the garage, should I create a special project ? Or is a project not obligatory for a package ?16:54
KotCzarnycrashanddie: how good are the ports?16:55
KotCzarnyie. full integration with maemo?16:55
crashanddieit's libraries mostly16:55
KotCzarny\or just 'compiled and runs' ?16:55
crashanddiewell, all of them are libs in fact16:55
Jaffacrashanddie: a project is not obligatory for uploading to extras. If there are build tweaks required, you might want to submit them to the project16:56
KotCzarnyfind an app that will need them16:56
KotCzarnyand you will have an excuse to post them too16:56
crashanddieKotCzarny, my apps will use 'em, and the rest are dependencies16:57
crashanddieJaffa, explain "build tweaks required"16:57
lcukthen submit your apps instead of the libs16:57
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crashanddielcuk, my apps use the libs :/ Without the libs, said apps won't run ;)16:58
KotCzarnycrashanddie: 'doesn't compile out of the debian box package -> needs tweaking'16:58
Jaffacrashanddie: if you've needed to patch the source of the upstream libs in order to get them Maemoised, but the changes are too specific or too wide-ranging to go upstream16:58
Jaffacrashanddie: lcuk's point was that submitting the libs without the apps is pointless16:58
JaffaEspecially since most users won't be able to install them (libs shouldn't have the "User/" prefix on the Section heading)16:58
crashanddieJaffa, eh ?16:59
KotCzarnyjaffa: but will apt-get pick them up?16:59
crashanddieJaffa, but if there's no user/ prefix, then the package manager won't take 'em :/16:59
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JaffaKotCzarny: yes, that's exactly the point of having the "User/" prefix.16:59
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KotCzarnyjaffa: i mean the libs16:59
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KotCzarnywithout user/ in section17:00
Jaffacrashanddie: correct. That's what the "Dependencies:" bit of your apps17:00
JaffaWhy would a user ever want to install the libs? They don't. Users want to run apps. Apps have a "User/" prefix in their Section. Libs don't. Apps pull in the libs they need (from any section) using "Dependencies:"17:00
KotCzarnyjaffa: but if a lib isn't available in any repo17:01
crashanddieJaffa, so by registering the libs as depends, and building them with section: libs (for example), the package manager will still get the libs ?17:01
KotCzarnydpkg will refuse to install?17:01
Jaffadpkg won't.17:01
JaffaBut everything should be in extras or extras-devel.17:01
Jaffacrashanddie: exactly.17:01
crashanddieJaffa, ok, good17:01
aquatixany idea why the hildon app manager doesn't want to update/install apps since i updated with apt-get?17:01
KotCzarnyaquatix: too general question17:02
crashanddieJaffa, though, the reason why I'd like to put those libs online, is that I don't feel anyone should compile/package those BEFORE starting the dev on an app, it just limits the devs17:02
aquatixKotCzarny: i did some apt-get dist-upgrade's and installs17:02
KotCzarnyhow does apt-get complain now?17:02
aquatixKotCzarny: since then, if i want to update my apps or install a new one through the gui app manager, it says it fails17:02
aquatixapt-get works fine though17:03
crashanddieaquatix, does it say "failed to download file" ?17:03
Jaffacrashanddie: that's fine, I don't have a problem with extra libs in extras (or extras-devel), I just get really upset by libraries appearing in my Application Manager :)17:03
aquatixcrashanddie: no; let me try it and get the exact message, sec...17:04
crashanddieJaffa, yeah, agreed, I'll repackage them taking in account what you said, thanks17:04
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aquatixmeh, now it hangs on updating the repositories list17:08
crashanddieaquatix, then don't17:09
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aquatixcrashanddie, KotCzarny: it says: "Downloading <packagename> failed"17:09
aquatixcrashanddie: ;)17:10
crashanddieaquatix, your internal memory card is corrupted17:10
aquatixthat'd suck17:10
crashanddieyeah, happened to me a week or two ago17:10
aquatixany idea how?17:10
crashanddiehad problems rebooting lately ?17:10
aquatixdunno, don't reboot that much17:10
aquatixbut the time i did it, no17:10
crashanddieLike maybe you tried to boot it with the battery pretty low on energy ?17:11
crashanddieand it shut down hard ?17:11
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KotCzarnycrashanddie: but it would prevent him from writing anything to the card?17:11
aquatixcrashanddie: not sure, but could be17:11
KotCzarnysimple test then17:11
aquatixbut i can apt-get!17:11
KotCzarnywrite anything to the card17:11
aquatixi can do anything, from updating files to installing new stuff through apt17:12
aquatixbut email progs act a bit weird though17:12
crashanddieaquatix, take a file from your Documents folder17:12
KotCzarnybad dns?17:12
crashanddieaquatix, and try to paste it to the internal memory card17:12
crashanddieaquatix, it'll say "Nothing to paste"17:12
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aquatixclaws mail refuses to show contents of a message, but works fine in general17:12
aquatixcrashanddie: ok, i'll try17:12
KotCzarnyand i will go to sleep17:13
GeneralAntillesApplication manager caches to the internal card.17:13
aquatixKotCzarny: sleep well17:13
KotCzarnynight ppl17:13
GeneralAntillesSo if the internal card is ro, it tends to trip up.17:13
aquatixGeneralAntilles: ah, and apt doesn't?17:13
GeneralAntillesAlternatively, you can remove the internal card and try Application manager again17:13
GeneralAntillesit'll work fine if it was the card.17:13
crashanddieno, apt saves to /var/apt/cache/17:13
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crashanddieit can just be the partition that's f'd up, or the mounting of it17:14
aquatixah, nothing to paste17:14
crashanddieso a mount remount rw should do the trick17:14
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crashanddiecouldn't tell you the exact command though17:14
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aquatix mount -o remount,rw <mountpoint>17:15
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* aquatix tries17:15
fysaSO ANNOYING17:16
fysawhy is nano still broken.17:17
fysagod dman it17:17
crashanddie10Megs in one second17:17
fysasearch = segfault17:17
crashanddieeven with my connection that's a pretty nice burst17:18
GeneralAntillesHehe, vi, fysa. :P17:18
aquatixcrashanddie: hm, that command didn't help17:18
aquatixcrashanddie: megabytes?17:18
aquatixFAT: Filesystem panic17:19
aquatixinvalid cluster chain17:20
crashanddieaquatix, oh yeah, forget to tell you, I had to format17:20
crashanddieaquatix, remounting it was so I could swapoff17:20
aquatixok, i'll copy to my external card17:20
aquatixalso explains why it wouldn't change maps :)17:28
aquatixcrashanddie: btw, reformat is just regular fat format right?17:28
crashanddieaquatix, yup17:28
aquatixfat32 i'd say17:28
crashanddiefat16 doesn't support anything above 4Gig17:29
aquatixhm, over usb or on device?17:29
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crashanddieaquatix, anyway you want or can17:29
aquatixinternal is 2GB of course17:29
aquatixyeah, wondered whether there are dos tools on it now17:29
kpelhi guys17:29
crashanddieaquatix, formatting it is done with fstools17:30
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aquatixyeah, just mkdosfs right?17:32
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* aquatix doesn't format fat often ;)17:32
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JasonWoofwhat's the builtin chat program called?17:35
JasonWoofand why can't it connect to jabberd?17:35
JasonWoofpidgin on my n810 can't seem to connect either17:36
JasonWoofit the tls library or something?17:36
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GeneralAntillesIt connects to Jabber fine.17:37
AStormyup, maybe you're port blocked17:37
JasonWoofnot to my stock jabberd17:37
AStormour wifi is17:37
AStormJasonWoof: yes, it does connect to stock jabberd17:37
AStormit tries TLS first though17:38
AStormmaybe jabberd balks at it, but then it's config error17:38
JasonWoofworks fine on my laptop17:38
AStormyou can set force SSL and port 5223 to use old SSL17:38
AStormit will, but rtcomm tries TLS17:39
JasonWoofyeah, I tried that too17:39
AStormsome jabber clients don't17:39
AStormtry tcpdump to see what's going on17:39
JasonWoofmy server might not be configured for tls17:39
AStormthen rtcomm would connect directly17:40
JasonWoofmmm good idea17:40
AStormunless server breaks connection on TLS handshake and not just issues an error17:40
AStormmaybe some broken version of jabberd 1 does that17:40
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aquatixcrashanddie: did you format fat32 or fat16?17:49
crashanddieaquatix, don't remember17:50
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JasonWoofoh, any reason the practically empty 2GB internal flash card isn't formatted for unix use and mounted at /home?17:59
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crashanddieJasonWoof, ?18:00
JasonWoofI wanted to check if it would be a bad idea to reformat it18:00
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crashanddieJasonWoof, the package manager stores data on it, the maps are downloaded to it, the swap is stored on it18:00
pH5JasonWoof: because it is exported as usb-storage when you connect via usb, they probably preferred vfat for windows host compatibility18:00
JasonWoofI've got a 2GB partition mounted at /media/mmc218:00
JasonWoofI don't care about windows18:01
crashanddieJasonWoof, if you don't want to break the apps, I suggest you mount it on /home like you want to, but add a symlink at /media/mmc2 pointing to a rw directory with sufficient space18:02
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JasonWoofwhat bugs me is the idea that my home directory gets wiped when flashing a sys upgrade, and that when I tried moving my home dir there I got messages about not being able to preserve permissions18:03
fysathat's what a backup is for.18:03
fysaand I don't think I even needed that.18:03
fysamy home directory is still here after a flash.18:03
JasonWoofpretty sure mine was wiped18:05
JasonWoofand I don't see the point of backup18:05
JasonWoofI'd like to rsync (or better yet unison) w/ my laptop18:06
JasonWoofand the partiton with my home dir is small18:06
qwerty12You can, rsync & unison both exist for os200818:06
GeneralAntillesDiablo eliminates flashing upgrades.18:07
JasonWoofdoes diablo exist yet?18:07
GeneralAntillesNext few weeks/months.18:07
timoDoes anyone have a pointer to getting scandic characters working in python? I'm trying to make my small app to support text input in Finnish, but still without success with a umlaut  etc.18:08
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sp3000I doubt I know the answer but you'll probably need to specify what you're inputting into what using what18:11
sp3000ok, you may have covered the first what18:11
crashanddielibcrypto is a bitch to compile :/18:12
sp3000why, are the build instructions ...cryptic? :P18:12
crashanddieit times all the different algorythms18:13
crashanddieRSA 3072 bit       36400ms   161310ms      2000ms18:13
crashanddieRSA 4096 bit       248680ms18:13
timosp3000: if you refer to my question I have the most simple hildon app in python with one gtk.Entry. Trying to get åäö working in the gtk widgets.18:13
crashanddietimo, what type of strings/encoding do you use ? (dunno how python works, sorry)18:14
wom-timo: öäå seems to work without any hassle for me in python and gtk.entry18:15
wom-of course this doesn't help :)18:16
sp3000timo: perhaps helps (or misleads, who knows)18:16
sp3000perhaps you and wom- should have a pastebin party18:16
wom-well, there is nothing special in it18:17
timowom: that's not fair. I'm getting [;' instead of åäö in my input field. I'll have to chech that
wom-timo: is that in scratchbox or device.. i tested on device18:17
sp3000wom-: right but there may well be several ways to do nothing specia, only one of which works :)18:17
crashanddiewom-, did you write that python app ?18:18
wom-in scratchbox i also get ; instead of ä18:18
sp3000timo: that sounds like ...the wrong keyboard?18:18
wom-crashanddie: yes i have one i have written18:18
crashanddiesp3000, on both scratchbox and the nokia ?18:18
* sp3000 suspected encoding first18:18
crashanddiewom-, mind sharing the code ? Do you use special strings or anything ?18:18
wom-crashanddie: code is here
sp3000crashanddie: shrug, input is unknown magic dragon realm to me18:19
wom-crashanddie: code is here
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crashanddietimo, check the code, see if you're doing something wrong18:19
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timothanks. I'll check that. Need to bake a cake with my kids now.18:21
crashanddienow I understand why noone ever bothered making libgcrypt for the nokia xD18:21
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aquatixcrashanddie: ok, successfully formatted it :)18:26
aquatixappmgr works again18:27
aquatixsuch a trivial thing :/18:27
crashanddieaquatix, yeah, happy to help man18:27
aquatixi think it got corrupted trying to copy an mp3 album to it when in a rush18:27
aquatixmaybe i didn't unmount correctly or something18:28
GeneralAntillesCard reader?18:28
aquatixnoticed something about fat in my pc's log too18:28
aquatixGeneralAntilles: internal flash of my n810, over usb18:28
* aquatix copies 1.5GB of maps back to tablet18:30
crashanddiewould anyone know why dvips isn't included in tetex ?18:32
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crashanddie(and yes, in case you were wondering, that's the 30min+ compilation of libgcrypt that failed because of dvips :D)18:34
Navi pupnik_, where does opentyrian store its save?18:35
BabelOhi, is some mythtvfrontend user here ? ;)18:40
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aquatixyay, now Claws mail shows my mail again too ;)18:48
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qwerty12I fixed my rotation problems from earlier :). I started off with a new kernel tree and reapplied patches and remade changes to .config18:51
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scriptcrashanddie: libgcrypt is in extras/ for ages19:27
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lcukme hates performing surgery on his computer20:09
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JasonWoofmaemo mapper is awesome20:42
JasonWoofit downloads maps of where you look and saves them so when you're offline you can view any place you have before20:43
GeneralAntillesWe're familiar with it. :P20:44
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JasonWoofany chance there's a map editor for openstreetmap that works on my n81020:45
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GeneralAntillesDon't think so20:46
GeneralAntillesBut I haven't paid any attention20:47
GeneralAntillesso I could very well be wrong.20:47
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JasonWoofwell, I think that'xs it for my wifi time. thanks20:50
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lcukpaying by the minute?20:50
lcukthats almost as bad as people being worried about runing up a large dialup internet phone bill by accessing long distance web sites20:51
Veggenunbelievable. Microsoft and a close partner in OOXML votes for approving it, in the technical committee working on it. 21 votes against. National Body votes "yes", apparently because there was a "lack of consensus in the committee".20:51
Veggen(here in Norway)20:52
lcukthe "no" group did not offer as much money20:52
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lcukomg, this makes me giggle and look stern all at the same time :
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Veggenthey seem to think that ISO can have a saying in how OOXML is developed in the feature if it's an ISO standard. good luck with that, I say, after following the approval process.20:55
lcuki hate flashing things, but ffs they had an image message board, it was ripe for trolling20:55
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sp3000pretty much anything is21:03
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pupnik_  great music21:39
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KotCzarnypupnik :)21:39
KotCzarnyhave you seen my patched xmms?21:40
pupnik_no i have your page open in browser21:40
pupnik_what is it21:40
KotCzarnyno package ready yet21:40
KotCzarnydo you have n8x0 ?21:40
KotCzarnymoment then21:40
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KotCzarny(without x)21:53
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pupnik_what's good about it KotCzarny21:54
KotCzarnyi have fixed file/font dialogs21:55
KotCzarnyto show over main win21:55
KotCzarnynot below21:55
KotCzarnyand added .desktop file21:55
KotCzarnythat fixes locale bug and double size bug21:55
pupnik_locale bug was annoying - ty21:56
KotCzarnyalso it's compiled for n8x021:56
KotCzarnyi was thinking about basic font package21:56
KotCzarnyor ttfxfs21:56
KotCzarnyttf xfs would be smaller i guess21:57
KotCzarnyand more flexible21:57
lcdd'fixed' ought to be enough for everyone21:57
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KotCzarnylcdd: no, i still have to fix 2 things at leat21:57
lcddthe font that is :)21:57
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KotCzarnyxfstt compiled22:04
KotCzarnyi wonder how hard will xomap crash with it22:04
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Ar-rasis there any rar unpacker?22:12
Ar-rasfor IT OS 200822:12
GeneralAntillesapt-get install unrar22:13
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lcddare there any themes that minimize borders and other useless use of screen space?22:27
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Ar-rasis there any gui for unrar?22:32
KotCzarnybut you should really use google22:32
KotCzarnyor wikipedia22:32
jott+lucky archiver frontend linux22:33
Ar-rasdude, i had only 2 questions... and i was this time a littlebit lazy and asked...22:33
Ar-rascya, and thx ;)22:33
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KotCzarnyjott: do you use xmms?22:34
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jottno i don't like it.. i did not like winamp either ;)22:35
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jotti mainly use mpd and amarok nowadays ;)22:35
KotCzarnyi think there are 2 kinds of people22:35
KotCzarny1/ that prefer winamp/xmms interface22:35
KotCzarnyand 2/ that prefer canola like22:36
jottthose who take xmms out of gentoo portage and those who don't ;)22:36
* KotCzarny don't22:36
Navimpd, woo22:36
jottna i don't like canola for music playback ;)22:36
jottand i don't like xmms interface22:37
Navitoo bad mmpc kinda blows22:37
jottyeah well the hildonized version is actually not *that* bad22:37
jottbut much room for improvement ;)22:37
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jotti would more says there are two kinds of people: those who have a properly tagged collection and those who don't ;P22:39
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pupnikjott did you 'release' goattracker?22:41
pupnikit's fun22:41
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lcddjott: there are people who have proper directory structures and those who don't :)22:41
jottno it needs some adjustments to be really usable ;)22:41
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jottlcdd: that is so 1990s ;)22:41
* KotCzarny read 'goatsetracker'22:41
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lcddseriously though, my stuff is properly tagged but just takes a ridiculous amount of time to read the metadata22:42
jottwell you usually don't scan your collection that often ;)22:42
lcddso i just use filenames22:42
jott(given you use a player that persistently stores the data ;)22:43
Navijott, I WAS talking about the hildonized version22:43
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jottNavi: yeah as i said much room for improvement .. i often use ncmpc or just mpc ;)22:45
NaviNot fun to use it on an N800 :/22:45
jottpff :p22:45
NaviI do on the desktop, though22:45
Tama^2good morning22:45
Naviafternoon .o/22:46
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Tama^2your other arm is very short, Navi22:46
NaviThat's my shoulder22:46
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jottNavi: but still i think the interface of mmpc/hildon is better than other hildon players.. ;)22:47
Tama^2you just lost a chance of getting subsidies ;P22:47
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NaviI'm fine with that22:47
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Tama^2anyone tried setting up scratchbox2?22:48
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NaviI keep telling myself to get around to it22:48
Navibut it ain't gonna happen22:49
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jottsbox1 and oe are sufficient for me atm ;)22:49
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NaviAnyone happen to have a working, hildonized wxwidgets 2.6 package/build?22:51
* Tama^2 looks in his greasy toolsbox...22:52
Tama^2Navi, no sorry22:53
* Navi snaps22:54
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KotCzarnyi guess 'fixed' looks ok in 225dpi23:07
* jott uses "Terminus" for all terminal applications :)23:08
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KotCzarnyon n800?23:08
jottn810 yes23:08
jottlooks great23:09
KotCzarnyterminus is ttf, right?23:09
jottno bitmap..23:09
KotCzarnybut it's not selectable in xmms23:09
jottbdf or whatever your convert it to ;)23:09
KotCzarnynot in xlsfonts too23:09
jottupdate your font cache :P23:09
KotCzarnystill nothing23:10
KotCzarnyi think fixed and cursor fonts are built into xomap23:11
jottthat's what you get for using an ancient player ;P23:11
KotCzarnythat's what you get for all apps not using gtk2/freetype23:12
jottthis has nothing to do with gtk2 ;)23:12
KotCzarnynot true23:12
KotCzarnygtk2 is compiled against freetype23:12
jottqt works too ;)23:12
KotCzarnyprobably same as gtk223:12
jottyeah it uses freetype ;)23:13
KotCzarnythen you're wrong few lines before :)23:14
jottit just has to do with freetype, not with gtk223:14
KotCzarnyonly skype uses qt on n8x023:15
KotCzarnyfor now23:15
KotCzarnywhat else?23:15
jottall apps you compile for it..23:15
KotCzarnyi'm talking about default apps23:15
KotCzarnynot user packaged23:15
jottskype uses gtk on n8x023:16
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sxpertskype is evil23:17
KotCzarnyjott: you're right about skype-gtk223:19
KotCzarnythen qt is not used :)23:20
jottbut freetype is ;)23:20
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KotCzarnythat was what i have said23:20
KotCzarnyFont Path: built-ins23:26
KotCzarnythat's what i though23:27
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