IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-03-28

lcukits not once you are in the flow - it just touches multiple areas00:00
lcuksame as a windows app expects to put things in certain places - just those places are like a foreign language at the moment00:00
jga23it's got to be tklock_mode_ind or platform_kb_lock for the dbus signal00:01
jga23signal sender=:1.3 -> dest=(null destination) path=/com/nokia/mce/signal;; member=tklock_mode_ind string "unlocked"00:02
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lcukwell i know where is changed to tell us if its locked or not00:05
lcukits /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state00:06
jga23can you write to that to change it?00:06
jga23oh, that's for closed/open00:06
lcuki just tried..00:06
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lcukno, my keyboard is out but device is locked = closed :)    when unlocked its open00:07
jga23my keyboard is out, device is locked = open00:07
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lcukhmm i must have caught it partial then it was reading diff a mo ago00:09
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jga23theres no documented list for all the dbus calls is htere?00:11
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GeneralAntillesDon't think so.00:13
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ryoohkiis there a lvm from the n800 os2008?00:21
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lcukok, i can lock the keyboard :)  ( thats step 1)    /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0045/disable_kp    (0=unlocked, 1=locked)00:28
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KotCzarnydbus is for pussies anyway00:29
lcukno its not, its just not clear where all the docs are00:29
jga23yeah, the screen is /sys/devices/platform/omap2_mcspi.1/spi1.0/disable_ts00:29
jga23just need to dimm the screen00:30
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lcukrm_you knows all about that00:30
KotCzarnysomeone put all those tricks in one place, plz00:30
lcukand turn off sound00:30
lcukand camera00:30
lcukand speakers00:30
jga23ehhh, maybe we should stick with the dbus route00:31
lcukand wireless and stop the puppies across the road from barking00:31
lcukand we should be done00:31
lcuki agree entirely, im just browsing around00:31
jga23gboolean powered_request_lock_device(Powered *server, GError **error)00:31
jga23{ gchar *ptr = MCE_DEVICE_LOCKED; mce_send_signal(server, MCE_DEVLOCK_MODE_SIG, DBUS_TYPE_STRING, &ptr, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); server->device_locked = TRUE; return TRUE;00:31
lcukits good to poke in the deep dark corners sometimes00:31
jga23that didn't paste well00:31
jga23I found where powerlaunch locks00:31
jga23mce_send_signal(server, MCE_DEVLOCK_MODE_SIG, DBUS_TYPE_STRING, &ptr, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID);00:31
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cyberholicbuenas noches everyone :)00:32
KotCzarnydbus_type_invalid ? lol00:32
lcukdamn dev-c++ wasnt bringing up any results specific for "lock"..00:32
jga23gboolean powered_request_lock_device(Powered *server, GError **error)00:32
CrashandDieanyone know what happened to the fbreader maemo repo ?00:33
elbit crashed and died00:33
lcukits still avail from central though00:33
lcukisnt it?00:33
CrashandDielcuk, that for me ?00:34
lcukyer - i thought i originally got it from before i added the specific repo00:34
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CrashandDiewell I dunno, I'm just trying to apt-get install bzip2 and it fails miserably00:34
CrashandDie404 a bit earlier, and now 302 permanently moved00:35
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lcukyer, but the bzip is avail00:36
CrashandDieyeah but that's the library00:36
lcukyer i know, that means its more a cockup in their repo than a big problem00:37
CrashandDieoh, right00:37
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lcuktbh, it sounds like they may have rebuilt their server or restored from a backup or something00:38
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CrashandDiewhere the hell am I gonna get bunzippy now :(00:38
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lcukif you install bzip2 from the deb wont apt know that its already installed and not fail miserably ..00:39
CrashandDieeh ?00:40
CrashandDieWell I don't have bzip installed00:40
lcukyes, so download it from the link i just provided00:41
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lcukinstall it manually (double click from the file manager)00:41
lcukthen run your other install and when it says "do i have bzip installed apt will say "yes" and you can continue...00:42
cyberholicGEEEEEEEEESUS christ! I have just checked and that is WONDERFUL!00:44
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pupnikwhat is it?00:45
lcukhmmmm ircatwork.com00:45
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lcukknew it sounded familiar - mibbit its a web based ircclient00:45
cyberholicpupnik: an ajax irc chat... that is way much easier for non-irc-knowers to join a channel like this one.00:45
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pupnikhmm used to look a lot simpler00:46
lcukyer, recently changed to mibbit00:46
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lcukcertainly sometime since december - i start it was old style, then recently they switched00:46
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cyberholicHey people, can i suggest a project in here to hear what you think about it!?00:47
CrashandDielcuk, dunno the magic behind that, but it worked, thanks00:48
lcukwhy not, i use this place as my blog - so you can as well :)00:48
lcukCrashandDie, :) no magic involved we just saved apt-get from having to search the internet for a list of files.  you already had them installed on your computer (done manually)00:49
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CrashandDielcuk, well, the thing is, I only manually installed libbz200:49
cyberholicMibbit just brought me to this idea: imagine you are a dumb user who just bought the n800 or n810. You turn it on and there is a button on the screen saying "MAEMO CHAT". You press it and a chat window opens like a very very VERY simple IRC chat window so you can instantly start to chat.... what do you think?00:49
CrashandDielcdd, which in my mind, is completely different than the bzip2 executable00:50
lcukahhh, well its voodoo00:50
CrashandDielcuk, of course, bunzip2 didn't show up as an executable after installing libbz2, but I tried apting bzip2 again, and magic, it worked00:50
CrashandDieso yeah, that's magic00:51
lcukcyberholic, it would be great.   but nokia would have to change the default tableteer link00:51
lcukand ifiak that has a forum00:51
lcukor whatever the acronym is00:51
cyberholiclcuk: but a chat has more value then a forum. In this channel are constantly an average of 150 people and on nokia-talk only about 5. But such an option would be very helpfull to people who start using the device.00:52
lcuknokia could very easily right now convert the tableteer website to include an irc zone on the initial page (using mibbit like control)00:52
cyberholiclcuk: exactly! That's what i think.00:53
elbGnome used to have a dialog like that00:53
elbit sucked, big time00:53
cyberholicbut you shouldnt call it IRC or so because for ordinary users IRC is like ASCII or HEX..... weeeeeird ;)00:53
elbyou got a ton of people who were like IS THIS THING ON?00:53
lcuk"welcome to nokia live support, how can i help you today"00:53
cyberholicelb: yeah, that`s why you should be able to choose between "maemo channel" and "nokia channel" (that reminds me of paltalk were people were constantly asking "is my microfone on? Hello? Anybody can hear me? HELLLLOOO"? lol)00:54
glasswouldn't want to be on that channel..00:54
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elbI'm trying to remmber what exactly it was that had that dialog, gnome doesn't seem quite right00:55
lcukyer im thinking the same - its a launch room.   has anyone ever played "There" or any other mmorpg which has an induction area?00:55
cyberholicglass: i would - to bring the masses to the advantages of the device. Even if i know that there would be trillions of "Italodance"-a-likes.00:55
elbbut something had a right-up-front icon to click on that opened an IRC "client" which joined exactly one room00:55
lcukAOL HELL00:55
lcukN00B CENTRAL?00:56
cyberholicelb: THATs what i am talking about.00:56
cyberholiclcuk: lol!00:56
glasslcuk: exactly00:56
lcukcyberholic, actually after speaking to some people and discussing the options, i think you should burn in hell, the idea will not work and you should unplug from the internet now for suggesting it :P:P:P  (unless you are gonna personally moderate it)00:57
cyberholiclcuk: have you ever heard of the IT-Crowd?00:57
lcukwe cannot have any more aol folks in here ;)00:57
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cyberholicHave you tried to turn it on and off again?00:57
cyberholiclcuk: have you seen both seasons?00:58
lcukno, i saw enough that surprisingly i didnt like it00:58
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cyberholicreally? I luved it.00:58
lcukred dwarf is comedy, IT-Crowd seemed to try too hard00:59
lcukwho reads dailywtf?00:59
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cyberholic*ill google for red dwarf now"00:59
glasslcuk: sometimes00:59
glasswhen i'm bored on a train usually01:00
lcukhave you seen this attempt at a comic?01:00
lcukmanditary fun day - anyway, itcrows is just as crap01:00
lcuk(the comic is so bad, the best part of it is the photoshopped replacements in the comments after)01:01
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lcuki think i need to attempt some real code01:02
lcukback later01:02
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cyberholiccomic? well i prefer http://www.myextralife.com01:02
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CrashandDieI want prism on my n810 :(01:11
KotCzarnysdio ?01:12
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cyberholiccrash: whats prism?01:13
CrashandDiecyberholic, the ability to create offline clones of online webapps01:14
CrashandDiecyberholic, gmail, stuff like that01:14
cyberholicah, ok!01:15
KotCzarnyprism is a wifi chipset too01:15
CrashandDieyeah, that too01:15
lcukand its a glass surface01:15
CrashandDienot a surface01:15
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lcukok a shaped piece of glass which reflects and reflacts light01:15
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CrashandDieanyway, if you want prism, you have to options, install xulrunner, and then build prism atop of that01:16
CrashandDiethe other option, would be to find a firefox3 arm port, and install the prism extension01:16
CrashandDiebut my guess is, we're not about to find a firefox3 ARM port :(01:16
lcukisnt there an opensource flash player01:16
cyberholici think so.01:16
cyberholicbut what does that have to do with prism?01:17
CrashandDiecyberholic, prism is based on xulrunner, xulrunner is based on gecko 1.901:17
CrashandDiecyberholic, xulrunner is basically a very stripped down version of firefox301:18
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CrashandDieif you find me a .deb for FF3, I'll hug you !01:18
GeneralAntillesMinefield has been available for forever, CrashandDie.01:19
CrashandDieminefield ?01:19
GeneralAntillesThat doesn't stop it from sucking horribly on the tablets.01:19
CrashandDieGeneralAntilles, minefield ?01:19
cyberholicdoes a php socket generate a lot of traffic?01:20
KotCzarnyphp socket?01:20
cyberholicsorry... my fault. ignore it!01:20
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CrashandDieGeneralAntilles, hmm, thanks01:22
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ertwrochi, I compiled under scratbox java native library exacly like on host, but after /lib/ld-2... --list I got "error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. What is going on?01:33
KotCzarnyldconfig ?01:33
KotCzarny-Lyour_path ?01:33
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ertwrocKotCzarny: invalid option -- L01:36
KotCzarnyerm. that's for ld/gcc01:36
ertwrocKotCzarny: I don't understand01:39
KotCzarnynvm. then01:40
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vlad_hey folks, anyone know if there is a directfb port for OS2008?01:46
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disqwoot, pylauncher02:06
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tank-manOff topic, I'm trying to find out the limit to text files i'm trying to view with my phone. Any idea on how to figure this out? phone is a nokia 6085 and i'm trying to view the text with the builtin viewer and a java app02:11
* KotCzarny shrugs02:11
KotCzarnydoes it run symbian?02:12
tank-manyea, is there a universal limit to java apps and their data?02:12
KotCzarnyprobably stack size02:12
KotCzarnyor some arbitrary limit02:12
KotCzarnyor if app is written badly02:12
glasstank-man: hmm02:12
tank-mansymbian s40 it seems02:13
glasstank-man: phone spesific limits of course02:13
glasstank-man: wait a sec i'll check something02:13
KotCzarnytank-man: does fexplorer run on it?02:13
KotCzarnyor qreader?02:13
tank-mani  tried a java text reader that can read from the phone or microsd02:13
glasstank-man: 1mbyte jar limit02:13
glassif it has fileconnection api02:14
tank-manbut doesnt display them cause it says its too big02:14
glassthen i don't see why the app couldn't just read a part of the file02:14
KotCzarnytank-man: forget java, look for native apps02:14
glassKotCzarny: no native apps on s4002:14
glassKotCzarny: it's not symbian, it's nokias own os02:14
* KotCzarny has s6002:14
glasstank-man: find a better text viewer ;)02:14
glassor code one02:14
KotCzarny"Unfortunatly S40 aren't symbian phones, that's why we don't already support them. But good news: we will maybe support them in the future".02:15
tank-manguess i will just experiemnt with different sizes02:15
ynezz2015 is near future02:16
glassit's got 2mbytes of heap and 1 mbyte jar size limit02:16
glassand fileconnection api02:16
glasswriting a text viewer shouldn't take that long02:16
KotCzarnyThere is new PDF reader application for Nokia Series 40 devices and Sony Ericsson JP-6 JP-7 phones like K750i.02:16
glassi'd imagine there to be some decent ebook readers02:16
KotCzarnyjava though02:16
glasstank-man: the app you're using probably tries to read it all to memory in one go..02:17
glassif shittily written, it will take 2-4x times the memory at that point02:17
glasshow big files you managed to read?02:17
KotCzarnyyeah. utf02:17
tank-manthe app is under 64kb and the text is about 600kb02:17
glassshould fit in 2mbyte heap ok..02:18
tank-manbut doesnt ... so i'm just reading the man page on split now ...02:19
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KotCzarnybook reader inside02:20
KotCzarnytank-man: btw. does it have some web browser?02:20
tank-mani think so, but havent used it02:21
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KotCzarnycould be nice if it supported local links02:21
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KotCzarnytried this one?02:24
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lcddthe fun stops. my osso-xterm broke :|02:31
KotCzarnyyou still have ssh02:32
lcddbug 2619 apparently02:32
KotCzarnyinstall aterm02:32
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KotCzarnyor anything02:32
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pupnik_man these sids are so cutting with the tablet electrostatic speakers03:17
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KotCzarnyyou mean so good or so bad?03:20
pupnik_good.  there's just something hyperreal about looking at a tablet playing them03:20
KotCzarnyyout xmms-sid package is xomplete with xmms?03:21
KotCzarnyor it's only sid plug?03:21
pupnik_no you need 'free's xmms03:21
KotCzarny'free's ?03:21
pupnik_he has a repo03:21
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pupnik_  xmms thread03:22
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KotCzarnynot hildonized?03:25
pupnik_what does that mean03:25
KotCzarnyminimize -> poof03:26
pupnik_you don't minimize xmms03:26
pupnik_it takes up no room03:26
KotCzarnysomeone should write simple hildonize-me script03:26
pupnik_but it does interfere a bit03:26
pupnik_so yes it should support minimize03:27
KotCzarnyor integrate into status bar03:27
KotCzarnyon minimize03:27
pupnik_none of the hildon club are going to touch xmms03:27
lcddi thought xmms was a dead end even on desktop .. :)03:28
KotCzarnylcdd, it has it's uses..03:28
pupnik_totgesagte leben laenger03:28
lcddKotCzarny: i like it, but it got too buggy and nobody's touched it for years (btw, audacious is cool)03:29
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KotCzarny'cool' is dependant on personal views03:30
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lcddwell, assuming one likes xmms..03:31
KotCzarnyi dislike gtk1 file chooser03:32
KotCzarnybut otherwise xmms suits me well03:32
pupnik_i've heard minimizing isn't so difficult03:33
pupnik_haven't done it myself03:33
KotCzarnyi did it for one of my apps03:33
KotCzarnyall it took was preparing .desktop file03:33
lcukit is wise we look at older generation desktop applications for the best in class and see how well we can make those run rather than attempting to outstretch ourselves expecting a full modern desktop application to run flawlessly03:33
KotCzarnybut i have heard it depends on setting x props03:33
pupnik_i'm impressed this gtk1.2 stuff runs at all03:34
KotCzarnywhy not?03:34
KotCzarnyit's quite stable03:34
pupnik_i think xmms is the first gtk1.2 app built for the tablet03:34
KotCzarnynot true03:34
KotCzarnyi have compiled other stuff as well03:35
KotCzarnyfor example mc03:35
KotCzarnynot gtk103:35
KotCzarnybut glib103:35
pupnik_then i'll amend my statement to gtk1 app released for the tablet03:36
lcddglib is not gtk :)03:36
KotCzarnymy amule box went haywire..03:36
KotCzarnylcdd: you can't have gtk without glib03:37
pupnik_are you saying your denial was even more irrelevant?03:37
KotCzarnypupnik: i just don't remember what i have compiled03:37
KotCzarnyi see IT as a regular linux box, with some weird libs here and ther03:38
KotCzarnybut overall quite compatible03:39
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pupnik_between 2005 and end of 2007 i didn't see any gtk 1.2 apps03:40
pupnik_that's all i'm saying03:40
pupnik_i'm not saying it's impossible, just that i didn't know how to do it03:41
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pupnik_and nobody else did it03:41
* KotCzarny checks his /usr/bin tree03:42
pupnik_now we need mikmod and a spc playe03:42
KotCzarnyldd * |grep gtk-1 | wc -l03:42
KotCzarnyi have 203:42
KotCzarnypupnik: for modules use uade03:43
lcddgtk1.2 apps use different fonts than rest of the system and i've seen distributions in the past few years provide pretty bad defaults for them03:43
KotCzarnyi think there was uade plugin for xmms too03:43
lcddprecisely because nobody cares :)03:43
pupnik_yeah xmms wants microsoft arial03:43
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KotCzarnyload over 8, hum03:48
KotCzarnysomething eats my interrupts :/03:48
ProteousMmmmm, interrupts03:51
KotCzarnyoom-killer to the rescue!03:52
KotCzarnythank you oom-killer!03:52
KotCzarnytotal swap: 1.6gb03:52
KotCzarnyfree swap: 0kb03:52
KotCzarnyhow does it happened?03:53
Proteousthat's a lot of swap for an IT03:53
KotCzarnynah, it's my amule box03:53
lcddthat's a bug03:53
KotCzarnyfirst time i see it going haywire like that though03:53
lcddset resource limits next time03:53
KotCzarnyresource limits are for wimps03:54
KotCzarnyOut of memory: kill process 7783 (bash) score 118076 or a child03:54
lcddthat's bound to happen sooner or later03:54
KotCzarnylet's kill a child!03:54
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lcddah, my first reboot loop. an excuse to reflash03:57
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amengHi, anyone knows how to write a shell script that login to scratchbox and in scratchbox run another script? Thanks!03:59
KotCzarnypupnik, how about xfs with ttf support?04:00
KotCzarnythat will solve gtk1 griefs04:00
KotCzarnyand some of the apps that don't use freetype/gtk204:00
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d91wdoes any one here know how to download a bin file on ubuntu04:17
d91wI need it to flash my n80004:17
KotCzarnyor curl04:17
KotCzarnyfirefox will do too04:17
d91wI got the file on my desktop I need to install the flasher for the n80004:18
KotCzarnychmod +x flasher04:18
d91wchmod: missing operand after `+xflasher'04:19
d91wthats what I get04:19
KotCzarnythat's what you get with typos04:19
KotCzarnyand wrong screen font04:19
KotCzarnyand not using copy and paste04:20
d91wchmod: cannot access `flasher': No such file or directory04:20
KotCzarnytry hitting tab after flasher04:20
KotCzarny(and no, no space after it04:21
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d91wI still can't get it to work04:24
KotCzarnywhat is the problem?04:24
d91wI've tried the chmod + x flasher a bunch of ways and it keeps telling me " No such file or directory"04:26
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KotCzarnyok, what is the output of: ls fla*04:26
d91wls: fla*: No such file or directory04:27
KotCzarnyso you need to be in the directory where you have saved it04:27
KotCzarnytry: find . |grep flasher04:27
KotCzarnydo you need further help?04:28
KotCzarnyor you will manage to do it?04:28
d91wI need help04:28
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d91wI'm sorry I'm a noob04:29
KotCzarnycd Desktop04:29
KotCzarnychmod +x flasher-3.004:29
KotCzarnyfor running: ./flasher-3.0 --help04:29
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d91wryan@ryan-laptop:~/Desktop$ for running: ./flasher-3.0 --help04:30
d91wbash: syntax error near unexpected token `./flasher-3.0'04:30
KotCzarnypart up to ':' was my comment04:31
pupnik_  love this song04:31
KotCzarnypupnik: i'm in a packaging mood today04:32
d91wdo I do this next?   --set-root-device <arg>04:32
KotCzarnyd91w: nope, read some howto04:32
KotCzarnyyou will be safer that way04:33
KotCzarnythis one for example04:33
d91wI was there but I'm running my pc on ubuntu so I need to load it to my pc04:34
d91wbefore I can flash the n80004:34
KotCzarnysorry, i don't understand how's that related to flashing04:35
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lcddi'm about to partition the internal memory. is there a minimum recommended size for the fat32 part?04:46
KotCzarnybut keep in mind04:46
KotCzarnysome apps may want to put files there04:46
KotCzarnyalso where does apt-get download temporarily?04:47
lcdddon't know04:47
KotCzarnyfind out04:47
KotCzarnyit may save you a hair or two04:47
KotCzarnyyou can get away with 10mb04:47
KotCzarnyor less04:47
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WormFoodthis is fucked up! I go visit my router last night (I'm letting a friend borrow), and my n800 connects to it just fine now04:56
WormFoodit was working....then quit working....and is now working again for no good fuckin' reason....I wished I had my laptop with me to capture a packet log04:56
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lcddi hear the wifi power saving has caused problems with some access points04:57
lcddjust rumors04:58
WormFoodI haven't enabled or disabled any power saving there some way to override that?04:58
WormFoodit has been causing me LOTS of problems04:58
lcddi've never had trouble so far. but it's something to try04:58
lcddyou can change those in the connection manager04:58
WormFoodI will trade off or sell my N800 as soon as I can04:58
WormFoodbecause this shit it too much for me to deal with04:58
WormFoodI keep it on full power all the time04:59
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WormFoodI saw that stupid setting....why the hell that setting would affect the entire system is beyond me04:59
KotCzarnyit's pebcak related04:59
WormFoodsome APs I'm very close to...I'd think low power would be better for those access points.05:00
WormFoodwhat is "pebcak"?05:00
WormFoodI got ripped off...they sold me a defective unit05:01
doc|homeWormFood: are you sure it's not your router?05:01
WormFoodI used to like I fuckin' hate them05:01
doc|homehow about actually trying to diagnose the problem rather than coming in here ranting?05:01
WormFoodI'm 100% sure it is not my router05:01
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WormFoodwhy the fuck would my router work...then not work....then start working again05:02
doc|homebitching here will do nothing, filing a bug report might actually be productive05:02
WormFoodI have been trying to diagnose the problem, and it seems to be completely random05:02
doc|homesuch things don't exist05:02
WormFoodI have seen my fair share of random problems05:03
WormFoodusually it is with defective hardware05:03
doc|homethen bring it back and ask for a replacement05:03
WormFoodbring it back to where?05:03
doc|homewhere might you normally bring defective hardware to?05:04
WormFoodthey don't sell the N800 here05:04
WormFoodTake it back to Korea (where it is made)?05:04
WormFoodthe trash?05:04
doc|homereally? you do that whenever something you buy is broken?05:04
WormFoodI bought it online05:04
WormFoodin usa05:04
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WormFoodI'm in China05:04
doc|homethen contact them and tell them you'd like an RMA05:04
WormFoodwhere would I take a defective N800 in China?05:04
doc|homethe vendor who sold it to you05:05
WormFoodI doubt they would honor any warranty repairs with an address in China05:05
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doc|homeis it still under warranty?05:05
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ZetxMan, I'm impatient. I tried sticking the battery in the freezer for 2 hours then waited for the charger thing to work for another hour and it's still not doing anything. Bah. :\05:06
WormFoodthe only reason I bought this is because of the wifi....and that does not that makes this virtually worthless to me05:06
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elbdoes it work on other wifi networks?05:06
WormFoodelb, it is completely random05:06
WormFoodit works with some, and not others05:06
WormFoodit makes no sense05:06
KotCzarnythat's wrong.05:07
KotCzarnyrefrigerator, maybe05:07
ZetxKot: right, fridge05:07
doc|homeWormFood: do other wireless devices work with those routers when the n800 isn't? if so return it to the vendor05:07
WormFoodit appears to be dhcp related, because if I enter a manual IP it works05:07
KotCzarnybut freezer is critical05:07
WormFoodyes doc|home, other wireless devices work great with the router05:07
Zetxsorry, i'm tired >_>05:07
doc|homeWormFood: well then it's software related05:07
doc|homein which case you need to file a bug05:07
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WormFoodthere has been people file bug reports05:07
elbyou could complain here, instead05:07
WormFoodI can show you the bug report for my specific problem05:07
WormFoodI have uploaded packet logs so others here can look at it05:08
doc|homeWormFood: .... so you come in here bitch about something that you know is a software bug, complaining that it's hardware....05:08
rwhitbyit's a fairly well known problem that the dhcp client on the n800 doesn't interact well with the dhcp server on some wireless routers.05:08
WormFoodactually, it appears to be a software bug, but someone else said it is hardware05:08
KotCzarnyzetx: what happens when you connect it via usb to pc?05:09
WormFoodrwhitby, then why does it work, not work, then start working again on the same router?05:09
WormFoodwhen I'm less than 2 meters away from the access point05:09
rwhitbyWormFood: due to dhcp lease expiry05:09
WormFoodrwhitby, how can it possibly be that?05:09
rwhitbyI'll tell you what I did.  I changed the lease time on the dhcp server on the router from infinite to 3600 seconds, and then it works reliably.05:10
WormFoodit was working great for a month or more on the same router, then one day it just quits working05:10
rwhitbyok, sounds like you have a different problem then.05:11
WormFoodthen why does it not work with routers I've never seen before?05:11
ZetxKotCzarny: On XP, and I don't see it doing anything.05:11
* rwhitby shrugs05:11
KotCzarnyzetx: :/05:11
WormFoodI seriously doubt it is the router05:11
KotCzarnyzetx: is it still in warranty ?05:11
WormFoodit sounds more like a hardware problem05:11
ZetxKotCzarny: Just got it today, so yes. I guess I'll have to RMA it, huh?05:11
WormFoodI unplug my router all the time, because it overheats (I hate linksys too)05:12
KotCzarnyand you say it was charged for 2-3h at least?05:12
KotCzarnywhat happens when you connect the charger?05:12
Zetxnothing happens05:12
WormFoodthe wifi power saving sounds like the most likely problem, due to it working, not working, working again05:13
ZetxGeneralAntilles said earlier it was related to some power issue os2007 or the n800s (or both?) had and was the solution after it got back to actually charging05:13
Zetxbut I still haven't reached that step yet (he said his took 40 mins)05:13
KotCzarnybut you can't flash if it doesn't show up as usb device05:13
Zetxdoesn't seem like the system detects a new device being plugged in05:14
KotCzarnydoes it have mmc card inside?05:14
Zetxit has the sd card it came with in05:14
KotCzarnythen it should show it in windows at least05:14
KotCzarnyand you say it turned on once?05:14
doc|homeWormFood: option a) it's a software bug - add your info to it and push for it to be fixed. option b) it's a hardware bug - contact the vendor and request an RMA. Complaining here will gain you nothing.05:15
KotCzarnywhat exactly happened then?05:15
WormFoodI just want to get rid of it now05:15
WormFoodI'm done playing around with it05:15
doc|homeso then you're just here to troll now?05:15
Zetxi turned it on, took it out of the charger for a bit, connected on wifi, googled... then shut it down and put the charger back on (had to go to class >_>) .... came back an hour later and i'm pretty sure it still said 'charging' on the screen05:16
WormFoodI want it to work, or I want to get rid of it05:16
Zetxso i took it out and then tried turning it on...05:16
Zetxand that didn't work05:16
doc|homeWormFood: sorry man, but that's how it seems. I've given you suggestions on *productive* things you can do and you're ignoring them :/05:16
Zetxand now we're here05:16
KotCzarnyzetx: weird, but definitely not usual05:16
WormFoodI have worked with other guys here, and tried a lot of different things05:17
WormFoodit is very hard to troubleshoot a random problem05:17
WormFoodit works one day, and not the next, then starts working again05:17
KotCzarnyzetx: the only thing i know it needs to boot even to charge05:18
WormFoodunfortunately I didn't have my laptop with me to capture the packet log when it was working05:18
WormFoodbut I do have packet logs of it not working05:18
WormFoodbut it does not make sense that it would be the power saving feature, because when I enter the IP  manually it works05:18
KotCzarnyi wonder what will happen with battery out and charger in05:18
KotCzarnywormfood: do you understand how pwoer saving feature works?05:19
ZetxKot: Nothing happening on this end :p05:19
Zetxbtw, is the charger on the n800 end supposed to stick out slightly? I push a bit, but it seems stuck05:20
KotCzarnymetal part is visible for 0.5mm05:20
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WormFoodno KotCzarny05:21
KotCzarnywormfood: then you can't say if it makes sense or not05:22
WormFoodbut it still does not make sense that any power saving would make dhcp not work, but static ip work05:22
KotCzarnydhcp is udp05:22
KotCzarnypower saving is about turning off wifi for some periods of time05:22
KotCzarnyudp means 'no confirmation required'05:23
KotCzarnyyou loose the packet? you loose05:23
WormFoodI know what udp is05:23
WormFoodudp is a connectionless protocol05:23
WormFoodnot guaranteed delivery05:23
KotCzarnybtw. have you tried lowering powersaving?05:25
WormFoodbut if it is a software problem, then why do some people have no problems, and other people have a lot of problems?05:25
WormFoodthat sounds like a hardware problem to me05:25
KotCzarnywifi powersaving of course05:25
WormFoodno I didn't05:26
KotCzarnythen try05:26
KotCzarnyit's in the same place where you configure ip and stuff05:26
KotCzarnybut on the last tab in advanced05:26
WormFoodI know where it is, thanks05:26
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ameng how to add extra locale to maemo?06:31
amengsay japanese06:31
KotCzarnysteal one from debian!06:31
KotCzarnyand repackage it for maemo06:32
amengoh, can you tell me the detail steps?06:32
amengusing localedef?06:33
KotCzarnylet me check06:33
KotCzarnyi think they are in glibc package06:35
KotCzarnyin /usr/lib/locale06:35
KotCzarnywonder if copying specific dir would be enough06:35
KotCzarnyalso /usr/share/{i18n,locale}06:36
amengI'll try06:36
johnxameng, you might also be interested in this if you haven't seen it:
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skiburI already have fanoush, What do I need to copy the the Rotation Hacked Kernel to my Internal Mem Card?06:45
Italodancehi guys06:45
KotCzarnyskibur: wget06:45
KotCzarnyor use microb06:45
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johnxskibur, you're already "booting" from sd?06:48
skiburwell, I use to06:48
johnxthe kernel in flash is still the one used when booting from sd06:48
skiburI use to have a clone in my SD card. I would boot that once in a while06:48
johnxso flash the kernel once, then install all the rest of the stuff xserver, xrandr, applet in both places06:48
skibursee I trying not to flash my device, but only flash/install directly to my SD card06:49
KotCzarnykernel can be only flashed to builtin flash06:50
skiburso, I need to flash it, then clone it to my SD card?06:50
KotCzarnyyou flash only kernel06:50
KotCzarnynothing else06:50
KotCzarnyno initfs no rootfs06:51
KotCzarnyno cloning06:51
skiburO I C06:51
skiburso basically, I just adding rotation support to my current kernel.  It will not effect my apps at all06:52
KotCzarny1/ you flash kernel06:52
KotCzarnythat alone won't change much06:52
KotCzarny2/ you install updated xomap06:52
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KotCzarny2b/ you install rotation statusbar plug06:53
KotCzarnythat will enable you to use rotation06:53
KotCzarnyif you do step 1 it won't affect any app06:53
KotCzarnyif you do steps 2 and 2b on sd06:53
KotCzarnyyou will have rotation when booting from sd06:54
KotCzarnyif you do steps 2 and 2b to internal flash06:54
skiburmust be installed in both places, check06:54
KotCzarnyyou will have rotation when booting from intenral flash06:54
johnxskibur, when you boot from sd the only thing loading from sd is the rootfs, the kernel in flash is still the one running06:54
skiburJohnx, very clear now06:54
skiburok, here we go!06:55
johnxkernel -> fanoush initfs -> (rootfs in flash -or- rootfs on sd)06:55
skiburah :D06:56
skiburI'm following this guys
KotCzarnylike most of us rotating freaks06:58
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skiburah crap07:01
skiburI have initfs_flasher07:01
KotCzarnythere's also kernel_flasher07:02
KotCzarnyon the same page07:02
johnxor just use the official nokia one...07:03
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skiburwhich one07:13
skiburits seems that flasher-3.0.exe is windows, not linux app07:13
opendeephi skibur07:14
opendeepDo you know about ssh keys07:15
skiburwhat do you need?07:16
opendeepI mean how to upload them in garage.maemo.org07:16
opendeepafter I logged in/Mypage/Account maintenance07:17
opendeepI did not find Edit keys there,so where do I find that option07:18
KotCzarnyxmms eats 84% cpu07:18
Italodancefbreader can't read pdf files lol!!!!!!!!!!107:19
skiburnot sure07:20
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skiburKotCzarny, how do i know when the kernel is modtified?07:27
skiburdoing the test07:27
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KotCzarnyuname -a07:28
KotCzarnyyou will see who built it07:29
KotCzarnywhen and what version07:29
skibur flasher --load --boot --kernel kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr207:29
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skiburdoing that before i flash07:29
KotCzarnyit's actual flashing07:30
KotCzarnynvm. last comment07:30
skiburuname -a doesn't show  kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr207:35
KotCzarnydoesn't matter07:35
KotCzarnymy kernel shows: 2.6.21-omap107:35
KotCzarnyand it's
KotCzarnylook at build time and version07:36
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skiburI flashed it, pc --> nokia07:45
skiburuname -a  and I have 2.6.21-omap107:45
skiburthat is it07:45
KotCzarnythen just conttinue07:46
skiburok :)07:46
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skiburxomap is not being accepted07:54
skiburtrying the Red Pill solution07:55
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skiburOk I something wrong with the site07:58
skiburits seems the Link "Xomap" might be corrupted because it doesn't install.  On the other Hand, the one at top works07:59
skiburlast install08:01
skiburplugin and app xrand08:01
skiburI see the rotate08:04
skiburI dont08:04
skibursee it08:04
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skiburok I restarted and I see it08:06
skiburanybody here?08:06
skiburo ok08:06
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skiburok I see the rotate thingy08:06
skiburok here I go08:06
skiburit booted Windows!!!08:07
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skiburit works08:08
skiburmy question is, what is Updated_blizzard_rotation_support_v2.diff08:09
KotCzarnyit's the kernel patch in case you want to build your own kernel08:09
skiburo ok08:09
skiburits a little funky with the background08:10
skiburbut it rotates08:10
skiburyou did this?08:10
skiburwho did this rotate hack08:11
KotCzarnyfew people08:12
KotCzarny2 at least08:12
KotCzarnybut it was jott who owns site08:12
KotCzarnyand prepared kernel and xomap for you08:12
KotCzarnyman. xmms rulez.08:13
KotCzarnynow i need to hunt this cpu usage bug.08:13
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skiburrotate is a great hack08:17
KotCzarnyespecially for web and ebooks08:18
skiburnow I can read my google search with ease08:18
KotCzarnyand safe to apply even for n00bs08:18
skiburyou got an N800 or N810?08:19
KotCzarnybtw. you may be interested in neuvo-clear theme08:19
skiburis it lite?08:19
KotCzarnyerm. nuvoClear08:20
KotCzarnythat's the name08:20
KotCzarnyalso if you don't want bg funkiness you need to prepare background exactly 160x16008:20
KotCzarnyand set it to tiled08:20
KotCzarnyat least for now08:20
skiburok thanks for the info08:21
skiburjoting it down08:21
KotCzarnyit may be 80x160 or 160x80 too08:21
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KotCzarnyxmms rulez08:23
skiburso that is neuvo-clear08:23
KotCzarnybut background is mine08:24
skiburyou got it from regular install08:24
KotCzarnysomewhere from itt08:24
skiburI'm searching for it08:25
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KotCzarnyi can't seem to find it either08:32
KotCzarnybut i have a copy08:32
KotCzarnyif you want08:32
skiburI was search ITT08:33
skiburdo you have kde installed?08:35
skiburits ok08:36
skiburI'm still waiting for some major fix like right clicking and mouse support08:36
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skiburthen it will be a great desktop08:37
KotCzarnyi have hacked xkbd08:37
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KotCzarnyto include right click switch08:37
KotCzarnyhandy sometimes08:37
skiburyeah, it works great for DosBox08:37
KotCzarnyso the sequence is like this: click 'rmb mode' tapping is right click from now on08:38
KotCzarnyclick again 'rmb mode' back to left click08:38
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skiburI think when someone figures out bluetooth mouse support, its on!08:38
KotCzarnydo you have one?08:39
skiburbluetooth mouse?08:40
KotCzarnyhave you tried it?08:40
skiburand keyboard08:40
skiburit doesn't pick it up08:40
skiburquestion, how did you manage to move your icons to the far right of you N800?08:41
KotCzarnyjust drag it08:41
KotCzarnylike in windows08:41
KotCzarnywhole task bar08:41
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KotCzarnyfor a start tap in the lower left part of the screen and drag it to the right08:43
skiburon the n800?08:43
KotCzarnyon the n8x008:44
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skiburnothing happens08:44
KotCzarnyrotate first08:44
KotCzarnysomehow it's only enabled after first rotation08:45
skiburi see08:46
skiburnow its on the bottom08:46
KotCzarnyhave fun08:46
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skiburlol my N800 is all jacked up!08:52
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arachnistKotCzarny: os2008? i don't seem to be able to move task bar on my n800 w/ os200808:57
KotCzarnyarachnist: it's magically enabled after rotating screen08:57
KotCzarnyprobably some undocumented feature08:57
KotCzarnythat someone disabled08:57
arachnistwhere does one enable screen rotation? :>08:58
arachnistdoes the flasher work under freebsd? i got my n800 already flashed w/ os200808:59
KotCzarnydon't know08:59
h3sp4wnarachnist: Try the opensource one08:59
KotCzarnyi have flashed directly on device08:59
KotCzarnyusing ssh08:59
arachnisthow? the kernel image is stored in some visible place on the filesystem?09:02
arachnist(already got root on my n800, don't need to explain that part)09:02
KotCzarnyi have used a scripr09:02
KotCzarnythat uses mtdtools09:02
skiburwell need to jet09:03
johnxyou just flash the kernel on its own with KotCzarny's crazy hack or just use the Nokia flasher09:03
skiburgood nite09:03
skiburhappy hacking09:03
KotCzarnyjohnx: it's not mine, fanoush's work :)09:03
johnx'night skibur09:03
skiburthanks guys/gals09:03
KotCzarnyarachnist has freebsd09:03
KotCzarnyso i believe he's not such n00b09:03
h3sp4wnHas anyone used u-boot/redboot09:04
johnxarachnist, don't you have linux binary compatibility09:04
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arachnistjohnx: i have, but not everything works with it. especially if it's hardware related09:04
arachnisth3sp4wn: thanks09:05
KotCzarnyarachnist, google for fanoush kernel flasher09:05
johnxthe onboard flasher by fanoush should be safe, as well09:05
KotCzarny0xffff's docs are scarce :/09:05
h3sp4wnWell so are nokia's09:06
h3sp4wnIts crazy that its necessary to go thru such messing around just because of nokia closing stuff up09:07
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KotCzarnystill better than apple09:07
KotCzarnyi guess09:07
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h3sp4wnYep probably - I just really don't know whether its worth starting using openembedded09:08
h3sp4wn(All I need is wifi channel 13 and to read mail nothing else)09:08
KotCzarnyi like n800's size09:09
KotCzarnyand features09:09
KotCzarnyand i can bear with some stuff closed09:09
KotCzarnybecause i can ignore them and just use my own09:09
h3sp4wnI just got the nokia 778 on a whim (sold one for the wrong country)09:10
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KotCzarnymaybe flasher from nokia can change your country?09:10
KotCzarnyafair european regulations allow chan <=1309:10
h3sp4wnYeah but this is a US one09:11
h3sp4wni.e the mac on it is for US09:11
h3sp4wnThere is something in /sys09:12
h3sp4wnthat you can change but thats only for e.g iwlist etc09:12
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arachnisti also like my n800. yesterday i even bought an 8GB sdhc card for it ;>09:12
h3sp4wnkeesj: I can do that but its getting towards inpractical09:13
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KotCzarnyh3sp4wn: have you tried changing locale?09:13
keesj iwlist eth1 channel09:13
h3sp4wnKotCzarny: I have tried DE09:13
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KotCzarnyno luck?09:13
KotCzarnyit's 770 or 800?09:14
KotCzarnyi have n80009:14
KotCzarnyso my mac won't be helpfull09:14
h3sp4wnno probs - I am getting close to just ripping the thing appart and adding serial and jtag and just starting from total scratch09:15
KotCzarnywhy should you?09:16
KotCzarnyunless you got it to nonoperating state09:16
KotCzarnyyou can flash kernel/initfs/rootfs09:16
KotCzarnyeven bootloader09:16
h3sp4wnWell then I can use angstrom or one of the others09:16
h3sp4wnthat shouldn't care about stuff in nokias bootloader09:17
KotCzarnyit will be enough to flash your own kernel/rootfs09:17
KotCzarnyand it will happili load it09:17
KotCzarnyit's not picky09:18
KotCzarnyno need for brute force :)09:18
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h3sp4wnSo why is it encrypted or whatever then09:20
johnxwhat's encrypted?09:21
johnxand BTW, Debian already runs if you're interested. :)09:21
KotCzarnyjohnx: do you remember how to profile gcc apps?09:22
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h3sp4wnjohnx: Bootloader09:22
h3sp4wnjohnx: Debian armel right ?09:23
johnxah, well the bootloader is closed source, I think09:23
johnxbut the bootloader seems happy enough to load any arbitrary Linux kernel09:23
h3sp4wnCan that bootloader be accessed via serial ?09:24
KotCzarnydefine 'accessed'09:25
h3sp4wnI can reflash from it09:25
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KotCzarnyyes, you can overwrite it09:25
KotCzarnyit's simply first 128kb of internal flash09:25
Italodanceusb external dvd-rom can work with n800 yes?09:25
johnxyou can reflash it with anything you want using either Nokia's flasher, mtdtools or dd09:26
KotCzarnybut if you flash something bad09:26
Italodancei found info about cdrom floopy disk on my n800 data!09:26
KotCzarnyyou will need jtag09:26
KotCzarnybecause it's similiar to b0rking bootloader in wrt54g09:26
johnxItalodance, that's just left over stuff, but it can be made to work with a dvd drive (but it's not fast enough to play dvds)09:27
h3sp4wnI have an arm jtag but I guess the connector is not already there09:27
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Italodancejohnx yes exactly i found info for these on my n800 data09:28
johnxItalodance, you mean /floppy and /cdrom?09:28
Italodancedvd-rom floppy disk   yes!09:28
johnxh3sp4wn, there are pads under the battery that I think people thought might be jtag09:28
johnxItalodance, those are just left over files09:28
johnxnothing to get excited over09:28
Italodancejohnx> so can it works  with these?09:29
johnxItalodance, look here:
johnxI don't know anything else about it...09:30
Italodancejohnx thank u09:31
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Italodancejohnx did u installed cdrom.deb? has it an icon for menu?09:35
johnxItalodance, it's command line only. I've never used it. I don't know *anything* else about it. I just found it by searching like you could have done.09:35
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KotCzarnydarn. where's pupnik when i need him09:46
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Italodancejohnx  and yes  it works on n8x0  :D cool!09:49
KotCzarnycdrom is twice the size of n800..09:51
KotCzarnybetter option is to have 4gb sd card09:51
KotCzarnyor more09:51
Italodanceyes but woeks :D09:51
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arachnisti thoght the onscreen keyboard would look worse in rotation09:56
KotCzarnyi prefer xkbd anyway09:56
KotCzarnymore flexible09:56
KotCzarnyand open09:56
arachnistalthough the "finger-capable" one is unusable with rotation09:57
KotCzarnygrow nails09:57
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kulvewhat's the correct extras repo to be added in my own .install file?10:14
kulveis that example correct10:15
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arachnisthuh, with screen rotation chess are a mess ;>10:19
KotCzarnynot all apps are behaving10:20
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KotCzarnybut i guess you can tell it to resize itself10:20
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KotCzarnyor something10:20
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KotCzarnyhi ph510:43
pH5good morning10:45
KotCzarnyhave you done progiling with gcc and gprof?10:45
pH5not really. I played with it once.10:49
KotCzarnyi'm trying to find out why xmms takes >90% cpu time..10:50
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arachnistbtw, sometimes when i play with panel location, it seem to crash11:05
arachnistis there any way to restore it, without rebooting?11:05
KotCzarnybut tell me how do you do it11:05
KotCzarnyi managed it once11:05
KotCzarnyand later wasn't able :/11:06
arachnistit happend here for the 3rd time11:06
arachnisti just tried to move it around11:06
KotCzarnyhow exactly you did it?11:06
KotCzarnyas for restoring just kill hildon-desktop11:07
KotCzarnyit should restart without rebooting11:07
arachnisti just tried to move it in one stroke from the left side to the bottom and then to the right11:07
pH5KotCzarny: what's the hold-up? getting profile logs? interpreting the data? (and did you try oprofile)11:07
KotCzarnyph5: it seems to ignore dynamically loaded modules11:07
KotCzarnyie. xmms gets profiled11:08
KotCzarnybut not11:08
KotCzarny(or whatever it's called)11:08
pH5KotCzarny: as I said I'm by far no expert in this, but I think this is a limitation of gprof11:10
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pH5I'd have a look at oprofile, especially since your cpu load is near 100%, statistic sampling should give good enough results.11:10
KotCzarnyhow do i use it?11:11
KotCzarnykernel recompiling :/11:13
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pH5the maemo page has a link to a precompiled kernel11:13
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JaffaMorning, all11:16
WormFoodI just finished that marbles game....on the easy level....damn, that shit is is more like a job than a game it makes you think so much11:16
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WormFoodevening here :P11:16
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aquatixWormFood: trains the brains :)11:19
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WormFoodthat last level must have taken me at least 15 minutes to figure out11:22
KotCzarnyhi pupnik11:22
pupnik_marbles is too hard for pupnik11:22
pupnik_what you say my name for? ^^11:22
KotCzarnyi'm trying to find out why xmms takes >90% cpu11:22
WormFoodKotCzarny, beause you're running it on a 386sx-16mhz?11:23
KotCzarnywormfood: go away11:23
pupnik_i have only seen 9-15 percent11:23
KotCzarnypupnik: hmm11:23
pupnik_what format, what playlist size?11:23
WormFoodawww...come on KotCzarny, don't you have a sense of humor?11:24
KotCzarnysimple playlist11:24
KotCzarnyi should try playing some .mod11:24
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pupnik_they have mikmod?11:24
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KotCzarnymy version has11:24
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pupnik_meee meem meeeee11:24
pupnik_give meeeeee11:25
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KotCzarnybut as i said it's eating so much cpu11:25
KotCzarnyand i don't know why11:25
pupnik_then nm11:25
KotCzarnybut it was plain compile11:25
pupnik_no gtk-config problems?11:26
pupnik_regular mikmod for xmms?11:26
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KotCzarnyno ./configure mess11:26
KotCzarnyall autodetected11:26
pupnik_ok playing a 64kb mono mp3 i get 2.5% cpu in xmms11:27
KotCzarnyit's not mp3 i think11:27
KotCzarnyit's something in the code11:27
KotCzarnystupid loop somewhere11:27
KotCzarnyplaying .mod results in ~3% cpu11:29
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KotCzarnyso maybe it's mp3 plugin11:29
KotCzarnyerm. even less11:29
crashanddiex forwarding through ssh is just awesome11:29
WormFoodcrashanddie, indeed it is11:29
pupnik_using esound output plugin?11:30
KotCzarnyeven with interpolation on11:30
aquatixKotCzarny: it's not upscaling to 48kHz or something?11:30 input plugin for mp3?11:30
KotCzarnyaquatix: it is, but same for mikmod11:31
KotCzarnybut even then, upscaling taking 90% of 400mhz cpu?11:31
aquatixit regularly takes 15-20% on my 1.5GHz pentium-m :/11:32
aquatixstupid stuff11:32
aquatixdepends on the source file11:32
aquatixgenerally it's about 3% cpu, but sometimes a track causes my player to do almost 20% cpu11:32
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aquatixso, o.O indeed11:33
KotCzarnyseriously, it shouldn't use more than 1% on pentium-m11:33
KotCzarnyunless code is unoptimized11:33
WormFoodxmms cpu usage is so low on my 1.8Ghz P4 (single core), I don't even see the load11:33
WormFoodI haven't seen xmms above 3% usage on my machine11:34
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bedboihi all11:36
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* aquatix doesn't use xmms btw11:37
WormFoodgood evening bedboi11:38
aquatix 2526 mpd       20   0 17828  11m 3624 R 18.1  0.9  17:42.04 mpd11:38
KotCzarnyin case you want to try11:38
aquatix18.1% cpu; but the author says that's because of alsa [which is true]11:38
pupnik_i was just trying to figure out whether to build mikmod or xmp or what11:39
aquatixif i let it use oss, it drops to 0.3% or something11:39
pupnik_thanks much11:39
WormFooddamn it! I can't get to any address, because they are blocked in china :(11:39
aquatixbtw, this is my cpu clocked back to 600MHz11:39
* aquatix shuts up11:39
WormFoodactually, I just need to vpn my dns lookups, and I can visit it11:39
KotCzarnyaquatix: do you undervolt ?11:39
aquatixjust use cpufreqd and such :)11:40
KotCzarnyyou should11:40
aquatixi guess11:40
* WormFood cringes at the thought of cpufreqd11:40
WormFoodcpufreqd does not work worth a damn on my laptop11:40
aquatixWormFood: it actually works here11:40
KotCzarnyi can get my fun to shut-up finally11:40
KotCzarnyand not to bother me so often11:40
WormFoodyour fun?11:40
crashanddiedoes anyone know if there are c++ libs available for the maemo platform ?11:41
WormFoodjust stick something in it to make it stop spinning...that will make it shut-up ;)11:41
aquatixWormFood: and makes for a nice glowing laptop11:41
WormFoodthanks aquatix, I'll take a look at it in more detail11:43
aquatixWormFood: that's my write-up of how i got it to work here11:43
WormFoodit seems like cpufreqd runs soon as I put more load on it, it goes into low speed....but do nothing and it runs at 100%....very frustrating11:43
aquatixmyeah, cpufreqd is only about those rules11:44
aquatixif you get those right, it works like a charm11:44
KotCzarnyaquatix: you should try undervolting11:44
KotCzarnyit's nice11:44
KotCzarnyand effective11:44
aquatixnot sure whether my bios can do that11:44
WormFoodI did adjust those rules, but it still never seemed to work right11:44
aquatixor can i do that from linux?11:44
KotCzarnydo you have pentium-m ?11:44
aquatixKotCzarny: yeah11:44
KotCzarnythen you can11:45
WormFoodI stop cpufreqd and just use cptfreqtools, and it seems to run as I want11:45
KotCzarnysimply apply kernel patch11:45
aquatixWormFood: ah, ok11:45
WormFoodI sill have not put a lot of time into figuring it out11:45
WormFoodI will look at it later11:45
KotCzarnyand then you have interface to set votlages11:45
aquatixWormFood: well, stick with that then ;)11:45
KotCzarnyin /sys/11:45
aquatixKotCzarny: interesting11:45
KotCzarnylook for phc-linux11:45
aquatixbut having it automatically clock back to 600MHz helps a lot already11:46
KotCzarnyyes, but not enough11:46
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KotCzarnyat least not for my ibm x3211:46
aquatixi'm not much on battery lately11:47
WormFoodI'm using a T30 laptop11:47
aquatixbut it's nice against the [little] noise11:47
KotCzarnyt30 uses pentium-411:47
WormFoodI just bought a new battery for my laptop...cost me less than $30 usd11:47
KotCzarnyaquatix: [7$ svn: svn co phcpatches/cpufreq11:47
aquatixmy new battery was 130 euro11:47
WormFoodnow my new battery is not made by is 3rd party11:48
crashanddieanyone got info about libs, like commonc++ or stuff like that for the maemo platform ? Or pointers on how to get them there ?11:48
WormFoodand I just upgraded my ram to 1 gig too...that cost me a little over $30 usd11:48
WormFoodmy battery cost me 180 rmb, and my memory was 220 rmb11:48
aquatixWormFood: yeah, got some 3rd party one too11:48
WormFoodit is that VAT that gets ya in EU11:49
aquatixit's a 4400mAh one11:49
aquatixthat too yeah11:49
WormFoodyeah, mine is 4400mAh too11:49
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WormFoodof course, I got my battery in china, where they make them, so that is why it is so cheap :D11:51
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aquatixah, heheh11:52
aquatixmine if from Japan11:52
WormFoodchristefano, are you in florida?11:52
christefanoyup, I am11:52
WormFoodwhere abouts?11:52
WormFoodI'm from the Ocala area11:52
christefanoLauderdale by the Sea11:52
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WormFoodI'm just west of daytona beach, about equal distance from each coast11:53
WormFoodor I WAS there...I'm in China now :D11:53
pupnik_KotCzarny: did you test cpu usage with .sids?11:53
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christefanoWormFood: I'm visiting a friend down here. gorgeous beaches!11:53
KotCzarnypupnik: i'm downloading libsid* packages11:53
KotCzarnyi will build it right now11:53
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WormFoodthey don't call it "the bikini state" for nothing ;)11:54
pupnikok i do host it too11:55
KotCzarny0.8.24 is the latest11:55
KotCzarnyi think11:55
KotCzarnyand 2.1.111:55
christefanoWormFood: what makes Ocala the horse capital of the world?11:55
WormFoodreally want to know?11:56
KotCzarnyerm. sorry11:56
WormFoodit is the water11:56
KotCzarnylooked at the wrong package11:56
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WormFoodthe military notices that recruits that were born and raised in the ocala area had an unusually low number of broken bones11:56
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pupnikan spc player would be interesting if you are motivated11:56
WormFoodI suspect it is because the calcium in the water gives the horses very strong bones11:56
pupnikthe SNES music11:57
WormFoodit is hell on my sinks and bathtubs tho ;)11:57
aquatixWormFood: :)11:57
pupniki have so much trouble building stuff i don't want to build anything you'll build11:57
Cptnodegarddoes anyone know how/if you can make GPE summary display calendar entries for only the current day?11:57
KotCzarnypupnik: why don't you simply use ?11:57
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christefanoWormFood: that's crazy. I feel for the espresso machine owners in Ocala's coffee shops11:58
WormFoodno doubt11:58
pupniki usually try to apt-get source things first11:58
KotCzarnyi may add debian to the apt lists11:59
aquatixKotCzarny: btw, do you have ipw2200 too?11:59
WormFoodchristefano, I have lived in and around ocala for most of my life, and I only have 2 broken bones11:59
aquatixand a debian kernel?11:59
KotCzarnyaquatix: ipw2200 yes, slackware though11:59
WormFoodI'm so pissed...I turned down an ipw2200 for a prism54g11:59
aquatixWormFood: i have none, and i live on the other side of the earth ;)11:59
KotCzarnyand yes, i have recompiled it myslelf11:59
WormFoodof course the prism54g was about 1/2 the price of the ipw220012:00
christefanoWormFood: yeah, two broken bones is higher than average :)12:00
aquatixKotCzarny: ah. i installed a debian kernel [2.6.24] and ipw2200 stopped working12:00
aquatixit says it can't find my firmware, while it's there :/12:00
WormFoodbut I'm still pissed...because I'm sure the ipw2200 would have worked fine if I just updated the firmware in it12:00
KotCzarnyaquatix: heh, maybe not12:00
KotCzarnyinstall latest12:00
WormFoodchristefano, I was pretty crazy as a kid12:00
KotCzarnyand is it in /lib/firmware ?12:00
aquatixi have the latest12:00
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WormFoodI fell off a horse and landed on a rock and broke my collar bone :(12:00
KotCzarnythen look in dmesg12:01
aquatixWormFood: ouch, nasty one to break12:01
crashanddiehey, just tell me: if I fetch a debian .deb for commonc++, would it work on maemo ? (if compiled for ARM)12:01
KotCzarnycrashanddie: you need armel12:01
WormFoodbut one good thing about it, I was finally able to remember right from left after breaking it ;)12:01
crashanddieKotCzarny, "I need armel" ?12:01
aquatixcrashanddie: arm != armel12:01
KotCzarnythere are different packages for arm12:01
aquatixWormFood: lol12:02
christefanoWormFood: haha12:02
aquatixWormFood: you woman ;)12:02
WormFoodI have 2 different arm based machines that run Linux...a gumstix and a zaurus 5500 :)12:02
amengHi, how to play rmvb file , the mplayer for maemo can not?12:02
crashanddiethat sucks12:02
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KotCzarnycrashanddie: not really, sbox+sdk works really nice12:03
WormFoodI need to get ready to leave the house....I'll chat with you guys later...take it easy12:03
christefanoWormFood: cheers from Florida12:04
WormFoodchristefano, cheers from China ;)12:04
aquatixKotCzarny: it still says this when modprobing the ipw2200 module -
KotCzarnyargh.12:04 !12:04
KotCzarnyor :)12:04
crashanddieKotCzarny, yeah, but I already have apps that depend on libraries like xerces or commonc++12:04
aquatixKotCzarny: don't trash my own pastebin ;)12:05
KotCzarnycrashanddie: can you compile xerces or commonc++ ?12:05
crashanddieKotCzarny, probably, yeah12:05
KotCzarnyaquatix: then make it simple :)12:05
aquatixi might12:05
crashanddieKotCzarny, get the sources, compile in sbox and try to install ?12:05
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KotCzarnycrashanddie: probably12:06
wom-some armel packages wor as they are. i mean packages from debian repo12:06
KotCzarnyaquatix: ls -l /lib/firmware/ipw2200-bss.fw ?12:06
aquatix-rw-r--r-- 1 root users 191142 2006-03-07 20:49 /lib/firmware/ipw2200-bss.fw12:06
aquatixthat's version 3.0 fyi12:06
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KotCzarnythen you will have to look up where the hell it expects firmware files12:07
aquatixso i'm puzzled :)12:07
aquatixwell, right there12:07
aquatixtried some other places to12:07
WormFoodare you sure the name of the firmware file is correct?12:07
KotCzarnyaquatix: btw. do you use initfs?12:07
KotCzarnyon you debian box?12:07
aquatixi just untarred the tarball from the site12:08
aquatixKotCzarny: erm12:08
aquatixgood question :) how do i check?12:08
KotCzarnydmesg|grep -i freeing12:08
KotCzarnyor something12:09
aquatixFreeing initrd memory: 4426k freed12:09
KotCzarnyadd your firmware files to initrd12:09
KotCzarnyor compile ipw as module12:09
KotCzarnyand rmmod & modprobe again12:09
KotCzarnyin rc.local ;)12:09
aquatixit's weird though; i just installed the debian kernel with the firmware already in place12:10
aquatixoh well12:10
aquatixtrying to add them to initrd12:10
WormFoodI'm running debian sid, and I didn't need to add any firmware to the initrd image for my prism54g12:11
aquatixrunning sid too12:11
aquatixbut ipw2200 and 2100 require a firmware blob12:11
aquatixwhich isn't even in a .deb12:11
aquatixneed to download a tarball from ipw2200.sf.net12:11
WormFoodI just drop "isl3886" into my /lib/firmware/ directory for my piece of crap prism54g12:11
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aquatix <- weird, i have 2.6.24-4 and still have the problem12:13
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* WormFood leaves12:14
aquatixWormFood: cya12:14
KotCzarnywow, sidplay configure part finished12:16
KotCzarnyi wonder how long it will build then :>12:16
aquatixKotCzarny: finally :)12:16
aquatixheh, 3sec ;)12:16
KotCzarnyi doubt ;)12:17
KotCzarnyat least debian build system doesn't require interaction ;)12:17
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aquatixare you cross-compiling or something?12:19
KotCzarnysb1+sdk on p3@56612:20
KotCzarnyso it's more like quemulated native compiling12:20
aquatixqemulated things ftw12:21
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KotCzarnyi think compiling on n800 could be faster12:22
aquatixwhat machine are you running it on?12:22
aquatixah yes, duh12:22
aquatixcould very well be indeed ;)12:22
* aquatix sooo wants to build his new machine he has planned12:22
aquatixis going to cost me dearly, but whatever12:23
KotCzarnygo used12:23
KotCzarnywow. packaging stage12:23
aquatixwell, that's what i've been doing for ages12:23
aquatixand upgrading12:23
aquatixbut now i want a completely new machine12:23
aquatixwell, the monitor is going to cost the most12:23
* aquatix wants a Samsung 305T12:23
aquatixcall me insane ;)12:24
* KotCzarny is fine with 12" laptop's tft12:24
aquatix[yeah, that's a 30" tft]12:24
aquatixi'm doing dual monitor with my laptop now12:24
aquatix1400x1050 on my laptop's 15" and 1600x1200 on my 19" CRT12:24
aquatixmakes about 3000x120012:24
aquatixalso quite nice ;)12:24
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aquatixbut i'm getting tired of using my laptop as workstation12:25
aquatixand my old workstation makes more noise than our vacuum cleaner12:26
KotCzarnyundervolting ftw!12:26
pupnikKotCzarny: do you use fuse to browse in .zips?12:26
KotCzarnynope, mc12:26
KotCzarny(and yes, i have mc on n800 too and in sb)12:27
pupnikstoring these 4096 byte .sids seperately is silly12:27
aquatixKotCzarny: you have mc for n8x0? nice12:27
KotCzarnyaquatix: most apps build fine in sb+sdk12:27
aquatixaparently ;)12:27
KotCzarny[sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/debian/xmms-sid-0.7.4+0.8.0beta15] > fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage12:28
KotCzarnypupnik: can you create a package with some sids?12:29
crashanddied'you think people would be interested in a .deb of commonc++2 for maemo ?12:29
pupnikKotCzarny: maybe when i have some more favorites to share12:30
KotCzarnyi could use them for testing12:31
KotCzarnydpkg-deb: building package `xmms-sid' in `../xmms-sid_0.7.4+0.8.0beta15-3_armel.deb'.12:31
KotCzarnythat was fast :)12:31
aquatixKotCzarny: said so :P12:31
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pupniki don't see how you got gtk 1.2 building without mucking with the configure12:32
KotCzarnyi didn't do anything12:33
KotCzarnyjust installed glib1 and gtk112:33
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pupnikmine breaks when it calls gtk-config12:33
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KotCzarnybtw. those packages are on that link too12:33
pupnikthen it gets gtk2 headers12:33
* pupnik is frustrated12:34
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pupnikmods not playing12:34
KotCzarnyget my xmms too12:35
pupnikno way12:35
KotCzarnyno problem on mods12:35
KotCzarnybecause libmikmod is standalone lib12:35
KotCzarnymikmod plugin is packaged with xmms12:36
pupnikyour libmikmod is just libmikmod, not an xmms plugin12:36
KotCzarnyxmms bundles mikmod plugin12:36
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KotCzarnywhich depends on libmikmod12:36
KotCzarnybut you can get my xmms package and simply unpack this plugin12:37
KotCzarnyand copy to your plugins dir12:37
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pupnikwhere is your xmms url?12:39
KotCzarnysame as before12:40
aquatixlol, straight after reinstalling the kernel .deb i do an apt update and there's a new version of the kernel12:41
KotCzarnystereo decoding sucks too much cpu12:45
KotCzarnybut mono is ok12:45
pupnikof sid?12:45
pupnikor mp3?12:45
KotCzarnyerm. wrong.12:46
KotCzarnyonly optimized mode is ok12:46
KotCzarnymono + optimized.12:46
pupnikyaay your mod works12:47
KotCzarnyno kidding?!12:47
KotCzarnysid is eating 45%12:47
pupnikwith 'free's xmms12:47
KotCzarnypupnik: no, with debian's12:48
KotCzarnyi don't use free's version12:48
pupnikxmms playing mod is showing... 0.0-0.3 % cpu ...12:48
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KotCzarnytop is not a benchmark12:48
pupnikbtw i like interpolation 'off' better12:49
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* aquatix can play sid's and such on his smartphone12:49
KotCzarnysids work anyway12:49
KotCzarnythough very cpu intensive12:49
KotCzarnyi could try hardsid emulation though12:50
aquatix[fyi, if you're using a symbian/uiq3 phone, check n-player :) ]12:50
KotCzarnyaquatix: good module player for s60?12:50
aquatixdunno whether it's for s60 too12:50
aquatixbut there's a version for uiq312:50
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aquatixi have it on my sonyericsson m600i12:51
KotCzarnysid1 emulation is less cpu intensive12:51
KotCzarnybut sounds different12:51
KotCzarnysid1 8%12:52
KotCzarnywell. 8.812:52
pupnikyou were using sid2?12:52
aquatixgoing to try that new kernel version12:53
aquatixreboot, brb12:53
KotCzarny45% with sid2 (mono + optimized (innacurate))12:53
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KotCzarny9% with sid1 (mono)12:53
KotCzarny10% with sid1 (stereo)12:54
KotCzarnyxmms effects plugins work with sid :>12:55
KotCzarnyecho is 'interesting'12:55
pupnikso is extra stereo12:56
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KotCzarnybtw. have you tried sox-xmms plugin?12:56
KotCzarnyi have used it on my pc12:56
KotCzarnyit's great :)12:56
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pupnikhmm interesting12:58
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KotCzarnymore interesting will be xmms-mplayer plugin12:59
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KotCzarnyxmms ftw!13:00
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KotCzarnySource Package xmms-fmradio13:03
KotCzarnymmm pie!13:03
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arachnist <| lol13:03
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arachnistwhy on earth are you still beating that dead horse (xmms)?13:04
pupnikthrough the xmms-remote interface, a toolbar applet would be doable, but it wouldn't have the same feel13:04
pupnikxmms sucks least13:05
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KotCzarnythere was a reason winamp got world domination13:06
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lcddyeah, ten years ago :)13:11
pupnikthere is no alternative media player for maemo that doesn't piss me off13:12
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KotCzarnymaybe this one won't suck all cpu13:13
lcddpupnik: it's the same in hardware players. can't seem to find any decent ones at all13:14
* Jaffa likes MediaBox best of all; but it's still not quite right (and it's difficult to pin down what's wrong)13:14
KotCzarnypupnik: i need to investigate xmms double size barf13:15
KotCzarnywonder why it segfaults on that13:15
KotCzarnydoes it work in free's version?13:15
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pupnikmain window doublesizes with ctrl-d13:18
KotCzarnybut there's option in the window13:18
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pupnikhow do you right-click on xmms window?13:19
KotCzarnyusing my xkbd rmb hack13:20
pupnikok.. i just use the shortcuts13:20
KotCzarnyyou can also click in the top left corner13:20
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pupnikmaybe your xkbd hack would be useful for some games13:20
KotCzarnypupnik: i told you13:21
pupnikor is it difficult13:21
KotCzarnyit just remaps buttons 1--313:21
KotCzarnyyou can do it with xmodmap too13:21
KotCzarnyor with xlib call13:21
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ertwrochow to make posible running executables from mmc in n800?13:24
KotCzarnyreformat it to ext313:24
KotCzarnyor hack mmc-mount script13:24
KotCzarnyand remove noexec13:24
ertwrocKotCzarny: thanks13:25
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aquatixKotCzarny: does something like "sh /media/mmc1/binary" work?13:27
aquatixmight just do the trick too :)13:28
KotCzarnyyou can't sh binary13:28
aquatixjust wondered13:28
aquatixcould as well have tried ;)13:28
* aquatix isn't as big a linux geek as he thought he was13:29
lcddhow about this: % /lib/ /bin/ls13:29
KotCzarnylcdd try it with noexec dir13:29
lcddcan't test it myself.. ah okay13:29
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AStormI've a q: !ny encryption soft that is running on N?13:30
AStormdisk encryption13:31
AStormKotCzarny: linky?13:31
AStormthere is a v. for N?13:31
KotCzarnyit's gpl13:31
AStormor do I have to build it myself?13:31
AStormdm-crypt would be nicer IMO, but :P13:32
KotCzarnynot really13:32
KotCzarnytrue crypt is more portable13:32
KotCzarnyie. you can reuse crypted file/partition13:32
AStormI know that13:32
AStormdm-crypt is avail. for doze too13:33
AStormhmm, they only have a deb for ubuntu :P13:34
AStormthere is some build of 4.3a13:34
AStormI'd like some newer13:34
AStorm5 has XTS mode13:35
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VeggenHmm. What does os2008 do if a card is encrypted? complain?13:37
AStormit says it can't mount it13:37
Veggenor, do you need to waste space on a tiny non-encrypted partition that it can mount?13:38
Veggenthat's perhaps a good workaround to have it not complain.13:38
AStormusually no, just mount something under /media/mmc1 or 213:38
AStormand provide fake hal data13:38
VeggenI think perhaps I want my external card encrypted.13:39
Cptnodegardyeah dont want the nuke codes getting out :)13:39
Veggenand a nice button on the home screen that mounts/unmounts it and asks for your pass phrase.13:40
AStormnuke codes? nah, more mundane docs13:40
Veggenthe porn, of course.13:40
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KotCzarnylibmad is old.13:59
KotCzarnyon nokia13:59
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AStormbuild a high-precision integer version :P14:02
KotCzarnyastorm: i'm trying to build xmms-mad14:02
AStormheh, it's 0.14 afaicr14:02
AStormshould work14:02
KotCzarnyyeah. but it's not on debian.org14:03
KotCzarnyand i don't feel like upgrading libmad on nokia14:03
KotCzarnyas it may break too much14:03
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webustanyhi there14:04
webustanyis there a version of parted for OS2008 ?14:04
AStormI want Genoo/arm14:04
webustanyI'd like to resize a fat partition non destructively...14:04
KotCzarnywebustany: connect to pc14:04
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AStormwebustany: dosfstools has a resizer14:04
KotCzarnythen use parted on /dev/sda14:04
KotCzarnyor whatever14:04
AStormor what KotCzarny said14:04
AStormwebustany: ofc it resizes the fs14:05
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webustanyyeah, but I don't have my cable with me right now :)14:05
AStormyou still have to change the pertition14:05
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opendeephello xfade14:05
AStormKotCzarny: what is tied to the binares on N810 now?14:06
AStormi have heard there's a free wifi driver now14:06
AStormgoogle for cx3310?14:06
Italodanceit is the second volume?14:07
KotCzarnyastorm: afair it uses binary blob still14:07
AStormfirmware, yes14:07
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AStormno problem with that14:07
AStormbacklight control?14:07
KotCzarnyand has quick and dirty wireless extension patch14:07
KotCzarnyonly for making wpa working14:07
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KotCzarnyastorm: power management14:08
webustanyAStorm: are you sure the stock dosfstools has a resizer ?14:08
AStormwebustany: let me check14:08
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GeneralAntillesAStorm, this may be useful:
webustanyI'm not suez14:08
webustanyat least, not the version on my fedora14:08
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AStormmy mistake, another pkg14:09
kulveany hal gurus here? udevd sees my /dev/rfcomm0 but what I need to do in order to hal to see it also?14:09
webustanywell, I think I'll wait till I have my cable, and do that with parted from my pc14:09
AStormrfcomm0 = wifi?14:10
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kulveI want hal to see it so I can add some rules so that hal claims to upper levels that it's a modem (i.e. gprs/3g)14:10
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AStormKotCzarny: what specifically about power mgmt doesn't work?14:12
AStormwifi power mgmt?14:12
AStormarm clockstep should work14:12
kulveKotCzarny: what power management are we talking about here? I'm interested too..14:13
KotCzarnyit's late here..14:14
kulvecpufreq seems to work, but iwconfig seems to be unable to set the poewr management for wlan. But there might be some ioctls to do the job14:14
AStorm13:14 here :P14:14
AStormkulve: ah, not too important14:14
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AStormI'm not using that anyway14:14
AStormwhat about special buttons?14:15
AStormis that open now?14:15
kulvewlan chip seems to be the number 1 heat source in the thing (at least to me it looks like cpu at 100% doesn't warm up as much as wlan at 100%)14:15
GeneralAntillesIt's like a little hotpoint at the top of the device.14:16
pupnik"I don't know why and I'm not yet motivated to fix it since my views on esd are mostly unprintable." - Alan Cox14:16
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AStormpupnik: that's why there's pulseaudio now14:17
pupnikjust a funny quote :)14:17
KotCzarnyanother audio system?14:17
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AStormcompatible with esd14:17
KotCzarny /usr/lib/xmms/Input/ undefined symbol: id3_tag_attachframe14:18
AStormand much better14:18
KotCzarnyi'll bite.14:18
KotCzarnyit's another lib14:18
KotCzarnychanged in debian14:18
AStormharhar :P14:18
KotCzarnyat some point14:18
pupnik'free' said libmad was problematic for n800 - but he has a plugin built14:18
KotCzarnypupnik: do you have link handy?14:18
Italodanceu can try it14:18
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KotCzarnyno sources :/14:23
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KotCzarnyi think i made the same mistake14:24
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pupniki have to rename /scratchbox/tools/bin/gtk-config to something else to build these old gtk things14:28
pupnikso it finds /usr/bin/gtk-config14:28
KotCzarnypupnik: i didn't have to14:28
pupnikno idea why your mp3 consumes cpu14:28
Navijust symlink it14:29
Navino need to rename O_o14:29
KotCzarnynavi: you don't know what the problem is14:29
pupnikif you swap his mp3 input plugin with yours you might find out more KotCzarny14:29
KotCzarnyi'll try xmms-mad first14:30
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AStormwhat could be breaking my clicks on the touchscreen?14:31
AStormactually, drags14:32
KotCzarnystatic electricity14:32
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AStormhmm, no14:32
KotCzarnyclicker :P14:33
AStormusing a stylus14:33
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KotCzarnyuneven pressure?14:33
AStormin maemopad+ it loooks like something is clicking the left top corner14:33
KotCzarnyah, yes14:33
AStormwhat could it be?14:33
KotCzarnyi have observed it too14:33
KotCzarnymost often then i try to run control panel from menu14:34
KotCzarnyit looks like it reads position as 0,014:34
KotCzarnyfor some reason14:34
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AStormso, driver or screen error?14:34
KotCzarnyand driver a little too14:35
KotCzarnyfor not filtering those spikes out14:35
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AStormi's normal wacom, right?14:36
KotCzarnydon't remember14:36
AStormthen I could fix that, add locking drags i.e.14:37
KotCzarnyjust add a filter14:37
KotCzarnyie. no taps on 0,014:37
KotCzarnybut that could work14:37
AStormmore like: accept taps every 10ms in proximoty of orig. tap point14:38
AStormand other every 200 ms14:38
KotCzarnymore like no taps with x=014:38
opendeepcan anybody tell me,how one can know some one is online.14:38
AStormshould fix drags14:38
AStormopendeep: ping?14:38
AStormcheck their AOL status?14:39
GeneralAntillesCall them on the phone and ask them?14:39
AStormthat works too14:39
GeneralAntillesopendeep, who are you looking for, anyway?14:39
KotCzarnyinstalling trojan on theirs comp could work too14:40
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AStormping too, if you know the ip14:41
AStormor port scan14:41
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AStormblah, xmms 1 is the junk14:42
KotCzarnycpu usage: 20%14:42
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KotCzarnyyou can say what you want.14:43
AStormnow, build me quodlibet14:43
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KotCzarnyi'm uninstalling everything else14:43
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KotCzarny(leaving only mplayer)14:43
AStormcanola is better14:43
AStorm(except it doesn't recognize vorbis)14:43
KotCzarnycanola wouldn't suck if it had option to browse/play simple dirs14:44
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AStormit has that14:44
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AStormif they're added to media lib14:44
AStormand you can hack it anyway14:44
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KotCzarnylibmad refuses to use xmms' equalizer14:45
KotCzarnyoh, well14:45
crashanddieok, so I managed to get xerces-c and commonc++2 running in scratchbox14:46
crashanddiehow would I go about to put them in my n8x0 now ?14:46
KotCzarny2 ways14:46
KotCzarnyproper and hackish14:46
crashanddiegot links for proper ?14:46
KotCzarnyproper will be packaging it in a .deb14:46
AStormworking one is proper14:46
crashanddieI'll take proper, I have to distribute it on 3 different devices14:47
crashanddiegot links ?14:47
AStormgoogle for debian packaging howto14:47
crashanddiealready on it14:48
pupnikKotCzarny: if you want to build libspc spc player i found a fix for the link stage14:48
KotCzarnypupnik: xmms-mad uses 20% cpu14:48
AStormthat's mad!14:48
pupniklibtool link for spcplay needs added -lstdc++ flag14:48
pupnikbut it's not running yet14:48
AStormKotCzarny: it means non-integer mad14:48
KotCzarnyastorm: maybe, i just wanted to test it14:49
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KotCzarnyi'm on a roll, xmms-musepack next!14:50
pupnik20% isn't great but not terrible i guess14:50
KotCzarnypupnik: it means built in mp3 decoder was acting up14:50
AStormnow, build me a gstreamer plugin14:50
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KotCzarnyastorm: you don't like xmms :)14:50
* pupnik is failing getting the chrono trigger music playing14:51
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AStormxmms1 to be exact14:51
AStormquodlibet fwit14:51
KotCzarnypupnik: i have chrono cross ost in mp314:51
KotCzarnymmm :)14:51
AStormI need proper video playback too14:51
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AStormmplayer frontend is sucky14:51
aquatixmpd is nice14:52
KotCzarnythere was xmms-mplayer14:52
aquatixwith sonata gui14:52
AStormKotCzarny: fail!14:52
aquatixAStorm: ah, and `fwit' means what? ;)14:52
AStormfor the worth of it14:52
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aquatixgrmbl, i added a transport to a jabber account, removed it and now it's still there, logging me in but i can't remove it :/14:53
aquatixweird stuff14:53
aquatixAStorm: ah, k14:53
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pupnikKotCzarny: there's the bin plus source of the (not yet working) player
pupnikwon't even show up in xmms input plugin list14:56
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KotCzarnysetting vis refresh to 7fps (even if not in use) dropped cpu usage to 15%15:03
pupnikyou get cpu load when not playing ?15:04
AStormfff.... ail!15:04
KotCzarnybut with vis off15:04
AStormthat's xmms1 code quality15:04
KotCzarnyastorm: stop bitching, start packaging/compiling/coding15:05
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pupniki don't15:05
AStormKotCzarny: fix my vm first!15:05
KotCzarnyi offered you help15:05
KotCzarnyyou refused15:05
AStormI could give you my root15:06
KotCzarnytoo late15:06
AStormafter sanitizing the machine15:06
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KotCzarnybtw. it's not vis refresh15:06
AStormwait a fe moments15:06
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KotCzarnyi probably have turned dithering off in xmms-mad15:06
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skiburgood morning15:07
AStormfail == true15:07
AStormKotCzarny: how to build the sbox2?15:08
KotCzarnydon't know15:08
KotCzarnyi'm happy with sb115:08
AStormso, how to build that one?15:08
KotCzarnyprobably using good howto15:09
AStormgimme link:P15:09
AStormgood one, please15:10
KotCzarnyit's late here15:10
AStormand I'm taking build = compile15:10
KotCzarnydon't ask me tricky questions15:11
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KotCzarnypupnik: i think free's version has some problems with bundled mp3 plugin too15:17
KotCzarnybecause they switched to xmms-mad15:17
KotCzarny'Yes I tried the mad plugin. Works smoothly I compared with and without it running and it did seem to make it sound better. No hiccups. Not much to report in that, well, it works.15:17
KotCzarnythat means default plugin took ~100% cpu15:18
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crashanddieno pthreads on armel ?15:19
KotCzarnythreads, yes, probably15:19
KotCzarnyls -l /lib/*thread*15:19
crashanddieand posix ?15:19
JaffaITT struggling for anyone else?15:20
KotCzarny-rw-r--r--    1 root     root        77880 Sep  7  2007 /lib/libpthread-2.5.so15:20
skiburwhat are you testing?15:20
GeneralAntillesPlenty fast here, Jaffa.15:20
crashanddielibcommoncpp2-1.6.1/src/thread.cpp:150: undefined reference to `pthread_kill`15:21
crashanddiegot like a thousand of those15:21
KotCzarnybad link line?15:21
JaffaGeneralAntilles: I'll blame our corporate proxy then15:21
KotCzarnycheck if -lpthread is present?15:21
AStormya, missing link15:22
AStormbtw, once I have armel toolchain, what do I need?15:22
AStormsome weird v. of qemu?15:22
AStorm(problem is, qemu doesn't build here too, same error)15:22
crashanddie-pthread is there alright15:23
* KotCzarny thinks it's late15:23
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AStormyou still need -lpthread15:23
crashanddiehow come it compiled fine on x86 then ?15:24
dmzhowdy, anyone awake? i just got my N810 in the mail yesterday and was going to reflash to latest firmware but when i go into control panel/about product it says: version <unknown> and when i try to flash it syas: Version of 'sw-release': <no version>15:24
dmzany suggestions?15:24
crashanddiewhat's the difference between -pthread and -lpthread ?15:24
GeneralAntillesIgnore it, dmz.15:24
GeneralAntillesNot important15:24
KotCzarny-l mean link that lib15:24
KotCzarny-pthread probably means yes, we have phtreads15:24
dmzi can't ignore it15:25
dmzwhen i run flash it drops out of flasher & won't flash15:25
dmzit says "sw-release: <no version> then drops out15:25
GeneralAntillesYou running it correctly?15:25
KotCzarnydmz: use fanoush flasher and force flash15:25
crashanddieisn't this something like static vs dynamic linking ?15:25
dmzi've reflashed my 770, 800 fine15:25
dmz./flasher <image> -f -R15:25
KotCzarnyunless you're doing something stupid15:25
GeneralAntillesThat's incorrect15:25
GeneralAntilles-F <FIASCO image> -f -R15:25
GeneralAntillesis what you want15:26
GeneralAntillesIt's not doing anything because you didn't give it anything to do. :P15:26
KotCzarnycrashanddie: -lsomething is dynamic, /usr/local/lib/libsomething.a is static15:26
AStormKotCzarny: wrong :P15:26
dmzthat has the wrong info then :)15:26
KotCzarnyastorm: which one?15:26
AStormit depends on whethet -static is given15:26
GeneralAntillesUh, no it doesn't.15:26
KotCzarnyastorm: wrong.15:26
AStormit does15:26
GeneralAntilles./flasher-3.0 -F RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R15:26
KotCzarnywhen you put .a on the link line it means 'this one goes into it. no other way.'15:27
AStorm-l means link using default strategy15:27
GeneralAntillesNo talking to you, AStorm. :P15:27
AStormso, with -l... -static links statiocally15:27
crashanddieKotCzarny, k15:27
dmzdanka :)15:27
puslingis serial console possible somehow on the n800 ?15:27
KotCzarnyastorm: you want some libs static sometimes15:27
KotCzarnywhile leaving rest dynamic15:27
GeneralAntillesIf you put together a JTAG cable.15:27
dmzlooks like it flashed ok15:27
* dmz needs more sleep 15:28
AStormKotCzarny: then use ld 2 times15:28
dmzbtw the 810 is pretty nice so far, too bad they can't load on the ram though15:28
KotCzarnyastorm: it's late15:28
KotCzarnydmz: ram is scarce15:28
KotCzarny128mb is not enough sometimes15:28
GeneralAntillesLoad on the RAM?15:29
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KotCzarnydmz: also it's nearly regular linux.15:29
KotCzarnyyou can make it do what you want15:29
KotCzarnyeven loading to ram15:30
KotCzarnyit only takes some linux knowledge15:30
AStormand messing with the flasher15:30
dmzKotCzarny yeah i'm an old debian developer so it's nice to have15:30
KotCzarnyi prefer mtdtools15:30
dmzit would be nice to have at least 512M ram; oh well still cheaper than my old oqo sitting on the shelf15:31
KotCzarnydmz: then you shouldn't have a problem preparing rootfs that will load to ram15:31
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KotCzarnyn800 ftw!15:31
aquatixn810 ftw!15:31
GeneralAntillesand no battery life. <_<15:31
KotCzarnyn8x0 ftw!15:31
GeneralAntillesRAM is expensive energy wise.15:31
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AStormwifi is15:33
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dmzi'd be happy losing an hour of battery to have more ram15:34
KotCzarnydmz: swapon15:35
AStormmore like 30s15:35
dmzegad swap no15:35
AStormswap is slow15:35
KotCzarnystill, cheap virtual memory15:35
crashanddiewhere would I add this -lpthread when trying to create the .deb ? I've looked into debian/rules and tried to add it to the ./configure line in the LDFLAGS, but when I do, it says the compiler can't create executables...15:35
AStormI'd switch the ram chip, but it's BGA15:35
AStormhard to do15:35
dmzcost isn't the issue :)15:36
dmzwow backup/reflash/restore actually works15:36
KotCzarnydon't depend on it..15:36
AStormcrashanddie: foo, ion ldflags15:36
dmzi won't but it's nice to have it get the basic app list & wifi confgs back15:36
crashanddieAStorm, eh ?15:37
AStormcrashanddie: environment var15:37
GeneralAntillesUgh, losing an hour is a LOT.15:37
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GeneralAntillesIt's a mobile device15:37
GeneralAntillesnot a laptop15:37
AStormGeneralAntilles: more like 30s15:37
GeneralAntillesBattery life is incredibly important.15:37
GeneralAntillesFor a 4x increase in RAM?15:38
* Jaffa agrees. Already it's too variable15:38
AStormit doesn't eat that much more current15:38
crashanddieAStorm, not in ./configure line then ?15:38
KotCzarnyexternal batteries are cheap15:38
AStormcrashanddie: yup15:38
AStormbut you have to rerun configure after setting the var15:38
GeneralAntillesI'd go for a few more mm of thickness for more battery life.15:38
AStormGeneralAntilles: build an ext. battery? :P15:39
KotCzarnysomething ate my ram.15:39
GeneralAntillesUgly and unworkable.15:39
skiburI will clone my n800 today15:39
KotCzarny(stupid maemo-launcher)15:39
kcomeKotCzarny, maybe its your cat?15:39
AStormGeneralAntilles: only 5V15:39
AStormyou could use NiMH15:39
AStormnah, 4x15:40
GeneralAntillesIt's ugly and unworkable and not a real solution. ;)15:40
GeneralAntillesPlus, 4 AA-cells isn't a "few mm"15:40
AStormhard to get the tiny 5V plug15:40
AStormGeneralAntilles: AAA15:41
GeneralAntillesStill not a few mm.15:41
AStorm5 mm tbh15:41
GeneralAntilles"few" is at most 3.15:41
BlafaselDammit. It cannot be so hard to get one or two chapters from this DVD to my Nokia, without searching tools for days, ripping for hours, reencoding for a week again - just to watch 80min on the road.15:41
GeneralAntillesPick the chapters you want15:41
AStormBlafasel: use mplayer15:41
GeneralAntillesrip away15:41
KotCzarnyanyone has musepack samples handy?15:42
BlafaselGeneralAntilles: "Protected" DVD..15:42
KotCzarnyBlafasel: use mplayer15:42
BlafaselAStorm: mplayer can rip/reencode?15:42
GeneralAntillesThat's what ripping software is for.15:42
KotCzarnyor mencoder15:42
AStormBlafasel: doesn't need to15:42
BlafaselHmm.. Have to check that.15:42
GeneralAntillesI'd assumed you'd already extracted the VIDEO_TS15:42
AStormyay, arm cross gcc built fine15:43
GeneralAntillesAStorm, AAA is 10.5mm in diameter. <_<15:43
AStormnow I need some part of debian15:43
AStorm9.5, right15:43
AStormwho will build me working qemu or say how sbrsh works on N810?15:44
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BlafaselGeneralAntilles: I have an extracted VIDEO_TS version as well. Just giving handbrake a try15:44
KotCzarnyBlafasel: mencoder can rip and encode in one go..15:45
KotCzarnywithout extracting step separate15:45
AStormqemu needs gcc 3.X, right?15:46
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AStormeven w/ that one I get inval. insn15:47
BlafaselKotCzarny: Linux though? Might try that at home then.15:47
AStormwhat might be broken?15:47
BlafaselBut this is an emergency at work, need something for the train soon ;)15:47
AStormwhich lib?15:47
KotCzarnymplayer is available for windows too15:47
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AStormmencoder too15:47
BlafaselAh, nice to know. Will check that as well.15:47
AStorm(same package)15:47
BlafaselGeneralAntilles: Any quality preference that I should set at handbrake? Can I use the ipod/psp profile or something?15:48
GeneralAntillesNone of the presets are any good.15:48
Blafasel*sigh* I somehow expected that. Any hints for something that works somewhat? I can experiment on the weekend, but I'd like to have anything useable for tonight.. ;)15:49
GeneralAntillesSomething like 400-532px horizontal15:49
GeneralAntillesBitrate at 1000 should be good15:49
GeneralAntillesSame-as-source FPS15:49
GeneralAntillesAVI wrapper with MPEG-4/MP315:50
GeneralAntillesHorizontal resolution is kinda dependent on action-level15:51
GeneralAntillesHigh action stuff drop the resolution a bit15:52
GeneralAntillesSedate stuff you can get more quality out of without framedrop issues.15:52
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pupniki like sedate stuff15:52
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GeneralAntillesFramedrop shouldn't be particularly noticeable with any action level at that resolution.15:53
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BlafaselFirst I need to find out how to set the size at all.. Always gives me "red" background15:53
KotCzarnympc plays15:53
KotCzarnycpu usage 73%15:53
crashanddieAStorm, adding -lpthread to LDFLAGS didn't do squat15:53
AStormthen add -Wl,lpthread there15:54
AStormor to CFLAGS15:54
GeneralAntillesAs an example, I watched a couple episodes of Lexx last night encoded at 576x432 @ 1100Kbps with just a bit of framedrop during the really high action stuff.15:54
GeneralAntilles(maybe 3-4 30s sections for an episode)15:54
AStormthen add -Wl,-lpthread there15:54
KotCzarnypupnik: but  enabling eq overkills cpu15:55
pupniklast i recall there are two kinds of eq15:55
pupnikone which does FFT on the audio, the other which varies frequency bands in the mp3/ogg15:56
pupnikthe latter costs almost no cpu15:56
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KotCzarnyhaving ffttask would rock15:56
pupnikbtw... eq... dsp...15:56
AStormexcept doesn't work with xmms-mad15:56
KotCzarny |> 01 - Right Here, Right Now.mpc15:57
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KotCzarnylet's see what next15:57
BlafaselOkay, trying 576x432, bitrate 1000 - this is Battlestar Galactica. Let's see if this works. The ETA (1h) is fine at least.15:58
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pupniki'll look at the adplug KotCzarny15:59
KotCzarnyi'll prefer timidity for that15:59
GeneralAntillesI would go for a lot lower than 576 horizontal16:00
GeneralAntillesThat was mostly an example16:00
GeneralAntillesYou WILL be getting framedrop16:00
GeneralAntillesand probably a fair bit of it with Battlestar16:00
KotCzarnyBlafasel: it's a dvd.. why not proper wide screen?16:01
BlafaselKotCzarny: Because I'm clueless?16:01
KotCzarnypupnik: mpcdec is a little unstable16:01
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KotCzarnyblafasel: ok16:02
KotCzarnyfor a first time anything will do16:02
BlafaselKotCzarny: Help me out, enlighten me ;)16:02
KotCzarnyblafasel: it's a little late here, i'm one leg in a bed ;)16:02
pupnikyeah.. flac mpc etc is pretty big though - better for N800 owners16:02
* KotCzarny has n80016:03
aquatixKotCzarny: we're aware ;)16:03
KotCzarnyoh, btw. some of my packages pickup optimization flags16:03
KotCzarnyso may be incompatible with 77016:04
BlafaselKotCzarny: Okay, thanks anyway ;)16:04
BlafaselGeneralAntilles: I'll reduce it. Thanks for the help16:05
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GeneralAntillesThere's a lot of feel involved in picking good settings16:05
GeneralAntillesand it depends a lot on the source content.16:06
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GeneralAntillesThe "sure thing" settings are 400x240 (whichever dimension hits an edge first—320x240 for 4:3) at around 800-1400Kbps16:06
GeneralAntillesWont get framedrop with that16:06
GeneralAntillesbut it's a fairly large quality compromise.16:06
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ZetxI keep holding the home/swap key and it won't boot into usb mode. Or does it do so after it goes to the desktop?16:08
lcddapp manager is rendered useless by a package with version string 43 bytes long16:08
lcddonly in red pill mode though16:08
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lcddlibmp4v2-dev from maemo extras16:09
KotCzarnypupnik: you were talking about openspc ?16:09
GeneralAntillesZetx, did you plug the USB in16:11
GeneralAntillesDid you leave the charger in?16:11
Zetxi left the charger in. trying w/out now16:11
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GeneralAntillesIt doesn't shut down with the charger in.16:11
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Zetxhm. still doesn't without the charger in.. but the home key works otherwise16:12
pupnikKotCzarny: openspc seems to require x86 asm16:13
pupnikso i tried
JaffaGeneralAntilles: btw, did you get a chance to test v2.18-svn of tablet-encode?16:14
KotCzarnybut i think it's for crosscompiling16:14
GeneralAntillesHaven't gotten around to it yet.16:14
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crashanddieI tried to create a .deb16:14
GeneralAntillesZetx, did you plug in the USB cable?16:14
pupnikKotCzarny: SNESAmp also seemsm to require x86 asm16:15
AStormhow do I run that vmware image?16:15
GeneralAntillesA. the charger has to be out B. It has to be off C. the USB cable has to be plugged in and D. You have to hold down the swap key while you're powering it on.16:15
AStormnow my vmware works16:15
Zetxno ... i totally missed that16:15
crashanddieand now when I try to install it on a n810 I get "Status: Not installable"16:15
AStormbut it says the disk is in wrong format16:15
Zetxi'm an idiot >_>16:15
AStormshould be vmdk16:15
AStormis vmsd16:15
crashanddieCould this be because my scratchbox environment is too old ? I installed a month or two ago, updated to the latest OS2008 image about 2 weeks ago16:16
AStormah, PEBKAC16:16
KotCzarnycrashanddie: use Section: user/something16:16
KotCzarnyor enable redpill mode16:16
AStormit's booting...16:17
crashanddieKotCzarny, I'm in dev mode on the n81016:17
crashanddier&d that is16:17
KotCzarnyredpill is something else i think16:17
KotCzarnybut i may be wrong16:17
AStormdoesn't want to switch to fullscreen, but works :P16:18
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AStormok, what was the magic key to escape vmware?16:20
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aquatixAStorm: ctrl+alt ?16:21
aquatixsame as qemu16:21
AStormblah :P16:21
* aquatix needs more chocolate and coffee16:21
aquatixstill haven't finished all the darn eastereggs16:22
crashanddiehow can I check the version of scratchbox ?16:22
crashanddieI mean like, what it's compiling for16:22
KotCzarnygcc -v ?16:22
crashanddieKotCzarny, do you even vaguely understand what I'm talking about ?16:23
KotCzarny<crashanddie> I mean like, what it's compiling for16:23
K-Foxis it possible to listen only sound in youtube on n8xx?16:23
KotCzarnysb sets different gccs for different targets16:23
AStormhm, have to set lower res there :P16:25
AStormok, now full screen worked :)16:26
AStormthe penguin distracts me :P16:27
Cptnodegardi see some BT dongles with "vista compatible" on them... does that mean plug and plug?16:31
AStormlol, maybe16:34
AStormok then, I've to make that scratchbox more real16:35
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crashanddiewhy would I get "Incompatible application package" from a .deb I just created ?16:36
pupnikyou need to change the 'section'16:37
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pupnike.g. change Section: games to Section user/games16:37
pupnikin debian/control16:38
BlafaselHmm.. Transfering files via bluetooth just doesn't seem to work here. Annoying.16:38
crashanddieoh right, thanks16:38
GeneralAntillesBlafasel, did you install OpenSSH?16:38
GeneralAntillesThen use an STFP client16:39
GeneralAntillesWay faster than Bluetooth16:39
Cptnodegardi want to shove a BT gps into one of those16:39
BlafaselBut no wlan here and (funny that you mention it) I never got a ad-hoc network working either.. =/16:39
GeneralAntillesNo WLAN? <_<16:39
GeneralAntillesCard reader?16:39
BlafaselUSB: Cable at home. ;) My luck. Card reader: Sure, but it doesn't support the format (and I've no adapter). Whatever it is, mini or micro, it only supports the bigger one. So - what about bluetooth? ;)16:40
crashanddiepupnik, what should the section be for a system library ?16:42
crashanddieuser/other ?16:42
pupniknot sure offhand16:42
AStormBlafasel: buy a set of adapters16:43
AStormcard reader works best :P16:43
KotCzarnysox-effect works16:43
AStormKotCzarny: I'm dling chinook for the iNdT16:43
KotCzarnywhat's indt?16:44
pupnikcrashanddie: do an apt-cache show for existing system library packages -- libncurses5 has Section: base16:44
DavieyHi, can anyone tell me if $ cat /dev/input/* shows anything when they push the power or 'lock input' button?16:44
AStormthat vmware distro16:44
AStormfrom Institute Nokia de Technologia16:44
BlafaselAStorm: Already wasted my lunch break and a fair amount of cash on good headphones (since I forgot mine, albeit cheap anyway) as well. Damn. This feels like monday, not friday16:45
kenneand tecnologia :-) without h16:45
AStormkenne, yup16:45
KotCzarnypupnik: wanna check out sox-effect?16:45
AStormnot my language16:45
KotCzarnysids play veeeery nice with it16:45
pupnikyes pleese!16:45
KotCzarnyyou know the link16:46
KotCzarnyit's in dist/xmms16:46
KotCzarnyno deb, only .so16:46
KotCzarnyi like flanger/phaser, *pass and reverb16:47
pupnikdoes xmms-midi do anything yet?16:47
KotCzarnypupnik: nope, i have to look it up16:47
KotCzarnyit seems to play16:47
KotCzarnybut no sound16:47
KotCzarnymaybe just incompatible timidity16:47
crashanddiepupnik, yeah, I tried user/other but that's a no go so to see16:48
pupnikawesome thanks KotCzarny  - the sox FX will be very nice for the chiptunes especially16:49
Davieyhmm, anyone else found powerlaunch breaks the power button and screen lock?16:49
GeneralAntillesDaviey, you using an old version?16:50
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DavieyGeneralAntilles: 0.716:51
GeneralAntillesThere was a timing issue with an older version that could mess up the softpoweroff state.16:51
GeneralAntillesI assume it's been fixed.16:51
GeneralAntillesHaven't bothered to check in months, though.16:51
pupnikook sox verrry fun16:51
AStormnow, how do I install/build stuff in there? :P16:51
DavieyGeneralAntilles: Doesn't seem to add anything to the menu either :/16:52
GeneralAntillesApplication Menu? It shouldn't.16:52
KotCzarnyastorm: two commands16:52
pupnikKotCzarny: so only one sox effect is active at once: the one hilighted in the tab, correct?16:52
GeneralAntillesThat's not its purpose.16:52
KotCzarnydpkg-source -x some-package.dsc16:52
KotCzarnycd some-package16:52
KotCzarnyfakeroot dpkg-buildpackage16:52
lardmanarg, I ordered a micro-sd rather than a mini-sd; school boy error16:52
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KotCzarnyand you're done16:52
KotCzarnypupnik: yes16:52
AStormbut then, the problem is I don't have anything in?16:52
LoCusFlardman: didn't you get an adapter?16:52
AStormany repo?16:52
KotCzarnyastor: you can use wget16:53
lardmanLoCusF: to full SD, but not much use for the n81016:53
KotCzarnyor add debian source repos16:53
LoCusFlardman: heheheh true16:53
lardmanLoCusF: have just ordered a micro->mini adaptor; at least I'll be future proof, probably16:53
BlafaselHmm.. Good news is that the first 13mb that made it via bluetooth run fine16:54
BlafaselBad news is that this took about 30 minutes to copy..16:54
GeneralAntillesBT is limited to about 100-120KB/sec for those file transfers.16:54
BlafaselAre you sure? That sounds like much more than I got here. Well - will try the ad-hoc stuff again as soon as the last chapter is encoded.16:56
AStormargh @ debian16:56
KotCzarnypupnik: hmm, that midi plugin is old.16:57
AStormKotCzarny: has problems connecting for some reason16:57
KotCzarnyit doesn't understand sf216:57
KotCzarnyasterm: cat /etc/resolv.conf ?16:58
KotCzarnyin sbox16:58
KotCzarnymay be vmware fun too16:58
KotCzarnyas i said i'm using qemu in slackware16:58
AStormworks in vmware16:58
AStormi can browse web just fine16:58
KotCzarnyastorm: but sbox is chrooted16:59
AStormin sbox the resolv is ok too16:59
KotCzarnyping ?16:59
AStormah, no, it was borked16:59
AStormnow the clock is17:01
AStormhave to reboot or no sudo for 30 min17:01
JaffaGeneralAntilles: sorry, delayed response:*checkout*/tablet-encode/tablet-encode?root=mediautils&rev=6917:05
GeneralAntillesYeah, I got it. ;)17:05
GeneralAntillesTesting now.17:05
AStormhmm, how can I list avail. pkgs using plain apt? (sorry for newbness)17:10
KotCzarnyapt-cache search * ?17:10
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crashanddieOk, the package I made is still uninstallable... in the package manager, the Category displays: "libs", I don't know if that's good...17:12
wndapt-cache pkgnames?17:13
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wndcrashanddie, what does "dpkg -I file.deb | grep Section" say about it?17:14
AStormheh, where can I get a nicer charger for N810?17:14
AStormpossibly usb one17:14
AStormya, smaller17:15
AStormor at least a replacement17:15
Veggenreplacement in any Nokia-dealer.17:15
Veggen(it's used for a lot of phones)17:15
crashanddiewnd, libs17:15
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crashanddiewnd, though, when calling dh_make I did specify -l (library)17:16
wnduh, that may not be a good idea. I don't really know though.17:17
crashanddieso try to call dh_make and tell it it's a standard app, but then specify base in section ?17:17
AStormVeggen: that 5V charger?17:18
AStormok then17:18
VeggenAstorm: the one that comes with it, yes.17:18
wndI didn't even know there exists a -l switch for dh_make and I've built a few library package myself from scratch :-)17:18
AStormas mine got the small plug bent :/17:18
AStormchinook/explicit doesn't want to refresh17:19
AStormand other soft install :/17:19
VeggenAStorm: has happened for me a couple of time, especially if I use it plugged in (pretty often nowadays)17:19
wndI'd just manually have "Section: user/libs" in debian/control17:19
KotCzarnypupnik: i got spcxmms to show up in plugins list17:19
KotCzarnyit simply needed -lstdc++17:19
KotCzarnynow i need some spc samples17:19
KotCzarnyto test it17:20
AStormVeggen: need to build my own then17:20
pupnikarh. where u added this?17:20
pupnikin makefile or configure?17:20
KotCzarnyin xmms subdir17:20
crashanddiewnd, user/libs ? Not "base" ? Ok, I'll try it out17:20
AStormwith some iridium plug17:20
KotCzarnyin makefile17:20
KotCzarnyi'm lazy17:20
AStormhope it's some standard 5V plug17:20
KotCzarnypupnik: why does it end in .rsn17:21
AStormKotCzarny: it seems maemo bins haven't installed correctly...17:21
wndwell basically "foo" in user/foo doesn't really matter. as far as I can tell only application manager cares about it when it lists installable packages.17:21
KotCzarnyif plugin has .spc ?17:21
pupniksorry that's confusing17:21
crashanddiewnd, oh, ok17:21
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crashanddiewnd, single or multiple library ? -s or -m ?17:22
crashanddieerr, binary17:22
wndI never used those17:22
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wndI'm starting to think I've missed something important ;-)17:23
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wnderm, now that I think of it I've never used dh_make in the first place. perhaps it would be the best if you forgot what I said. :-)17:25
wndI've just extracted the sources and debianised the package manually17:26
pupnikok recompile gets it playing here KotCzarny - no sound output though17:27
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KotCzarnysome sound17:27
pupnikworks for you?17:28
KotCzarnybut it sounds like a actual instruments are missing17:28
pupnikok with another file I got some blerps too17:28
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pupnikwow 'Ice Castle' from Secret of Mana like tibetan monks with their weird horns and clashing sounds17:35
BlafaselNot authentic without screams and machine guns though17:37
KotCzarnyand tanks17:38
K-Fox buffering of my stream video is cut on youtube ,  i dont know a reason17:38
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pupniktrying 'sexyspc'17:41
BlafaselHmm.. Don't ask my how sexy leads me to it, but I pre-ordered a eeePC yesterday. ;)17:43
pupnikthey come standard with linux yes?17:44
pupnikboo sexyspc needs nasm too17:44
AStormwell, asm code won't work17:45
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pupnikmaybe KotCzarny will find a fix17:46
K-Foxstreaming of my youtube is cut17:46
AStormyeah, by rewriting asm code?17:46
KotCzarnyit's late here..17:46
pupnikno using the C spc player17:46
pupnikyeah i'll google a bit - found some complaints about 'missing instruments'17:46
K-Foxspc player?17:46
BlafaselKotCzarny: Take a nap before you do things that you feel sorry for tomorrow ;)17:47
pupnikdo you get anything resembling music with it KotCzarny ?17:47
KotCzarnytomorrow is today17:47
KotCzarnypupnik: only blips17:47
KotCzarnycan't say how musical they were17:47
pupnikok same here - K-Fox spc is the format for SNES music17:47
K-Foxwhere is spc player?17:48
pupnik  several players for xmms here17:48
K-Foxis it possible to play stream video?17:49
pupnikmplayer [url]17:49
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crashanddiewnd, thanks, your help was awesome :)17:50
AStormK-Fox: or with canola2 youtube plugin17:50
crashanddiewnd, dh_make as library, and section as user/libs did the trick :)17:51
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Tuxprobehaye good peeps, i have got yet another question for ya :)17:51
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Tuxprobeis it regularly 'impossible' to get a derived widget shown in a hildon app?17:52
AStormnah, why17:52
Tuxprobei seem to have been trying a lot! but it somehow doesnt work17:52
AStormyou just have to derive it from some hildon one17:52
AStormor hack it around17:53
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Tuxprobeits like this: class SomeDerivedWidget : Gtk::HBox (for instance), and then instantiated in main(argc,argv) as an object with type SomeDerivedWidget17:54
Tuxprobeif i do  Hildon::Window win; win.add(somewidget);  - it sometimes doesnt show17:55
Tuxprobeonly thing i do with it is add a table and attach stuff to that in the construct17:56
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Tuxprobethen add it to the window and run main kit17:56
WormFoodI just got my wireless router back today, so I can do some more testing with the N800 with it17:58
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AStormI can't install anything in my devel env18:00
AStormit's missing a list of preinstalled stuff18:01
AStormdrives me mad18:01
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AStormKotCzarny: why doesn't it work?18:02
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AStormit's missing chinook/explicit18:03
qwerty12try fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explict18:03
qwerty12I think brb18:03
AStormcouldn't find...18:03
qwerty12Yes, did you run "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit"18:03
KotCzarnyi'm falling on the kb18:04
KotCzarnynight ppl18:04
AStormqwerty12: I did install nokia binaries18:04
AStormand it can't find the package18:04
qwerty12keesj: You were right. I cant flash :( "sudo flasher -f RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin18:06
qwerty12flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006)18:06
qwerty12Suitable USB device not found, waiting18:06
qwerty12USB device found found at bus 003, device address 01018:06
qwerty12Found device RX-34, hardware revision 130218:06
qwerty12NOLO version 1.1.1118:06
qwerty12Version of 'sw-release': <no version>18:06
GeneralAntilles. . .18:07
GeneralAntillesflasher -F18:07
qwerty12-F doesn't work for me :(18:07
GeneralAntillesflasher -F <FIASCO image> -f -R18:07
GeneralAntilles-F points to the FIASCO image18:07
GeneralAntilles-f tells it to flash18:07
GeneralAntilles-R reboots18:07
qwerty12oh right. sorry, I'm a bit knobbish today. thanks18:08
GeneralAntillesI hate that -r is rootfs and -F is FIASCO18:08
GeneralAntillesThey had their retard hats on when they picked the cases.18:08
qwerty12Thanks :), it's flashing now :)18:08
GeneralAntillesOh well, once you do it enough you don't forget. :P18:09
* qwerty12 is embarrassed as he is used to windows flasher18:09
AStormwhy doesn't the damn junk work...18:09
* qwerty12 is also stupid for running "rm -rf /"18:09
* WormFood cringes at the thought of using windows for anything18:09
AStormeven on their (Nokia) image18:10
qwerty12Nah, in windows if you have dongle, Phoenix flasher is very powerful. Phoenix goes more into BB5 (retu & tahvo etc)18:11
johnxqwerty12, you can get those retu/tahvo values out of the chips on a running N8x0 though I think18:13
qwerty12It's more of a generalisation :). BB5 phones (N95, N70 etc) actually use retu & tahvo chips but not to the extent of N8*0. Phoenix can set many things of the N8*0 like the wifi channels I think18:14
pupnikSecret_of_Mana-Forest_(Echo_Version).spc  rulz18:14
johnxqwerty12, interesting18:15
pupniklike crosby stills and nash - guenevere18:15
AStorm... sniffle18:15
AStormwhy the damn debian doesn't just work?18:15
AStormuhm, sbox18:15
qwerty12johnx: I made a long page about it here: :D18:15
WormFoodAStorm, what fun would it be if it just worked?18:15
johnxI think I read that thread :)18:16
qwerty12I wish I had the dongle to use it though :(18:16
johnxI'm about 90% sure that 92% of that stuff can be read/written on a running N8x0 though through files under /sys18:16
qwerty12You are probably right. Phoenix is the software official Nokia service centers use.I believe they can retrieve lock codes too... Although lockcode can be found in /dev somewhere according to a post on ITT18:18
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johnxheh...that might have even been my unconfirmed claim18:19
johnxit *has* to be someplace in one of the mtd partitions though...18:19
AStormok then, I need a thorough guide o setting up indt18:19
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qwerty12johnx: People actually retrieved their lock codes with that post. I couldn't figure it out :D18:21
qwerty12AStorm: VMware image?18:21
AStormI have the image running18:21
johnxah...interesting. not me then :D18:21
AStormqwerty12: step by step18:22
qwerty12AStorm: Are you getting your error under the image?18:22
GeneralAntillesYou need a guide to setting up a research center for Nokia in Brazil?18:22
AStormafter having enabled network and installed chinook binaries18:23
qwerty12AStorm: Erm, I'm not really sure what to say. I just set up the image in windows, vmware's nat sorted things out for me and the README.html worked.18:23
qwerty12have you tried a "apt-get update"18:24
AStormhere I only had to mangle debian eth0 to eth118:24
qwerty12Do you only get that error in a certain target?18:24
AStormqwerty12: throws a message18:24
AStormin both18:24
AStormI'm unpacking a fresh image once again18:24
AStormso wait a while18:25
qwerty12Are you using Linux as host or Windows?18:25
AStormnetworking worked18:25
qwerty12Oh right18:26
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AStorm(last time)18:26
AStormactually, everything worked, except that list of explicit pkgs18:26
AStormso I couldn't install anything18:26
qwerty12Tell you what, I'll mount the image in my VMWare Workstation in Linux and see how it goes.18:26
AStormshould be same18:27
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qwerty12hopefully, as that means image needs updating18:27
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qwerty12ah wait, my failed kernel hacking has thrown my vmware off. I need to vmware-config again18:28
AStormi have vmware-server here btw18:28
AStormnow indt (fresh) has loaded18:29
GeneralAntillesINdT isn't a vmware image. <_<18:29
AStormit is vöware img by indt18:29
WormFoodnow for some strange reason, my wireless is working again18:30
AStormmhm, it wants eth1, fixing /etc/network/interfaces18:30
GeneralAntillesINdT is a research institute for Nokia in Brazil18:30
GeneralAntillesThe maemo vmware image is the maemo vmware image.18:30
GeneralAntillesCalling a vmware image "indt" is . . . stupid.18:30
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AStormok, ill call it img then18:32
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qwerty12I can't get the networking under linux to work in indt image :p. in windows it worked for me 1st time :p18:33
AStormcheck, it'ss eth1 inside18:33
AStormnot eth018:34
qwerty12ok, thanks18:34
qwerty12Got it working, just needed to enable network in settings :P18:36
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qwerty12nokia binaries installing...18:38
qwerty12Meh, better off using a real scratchbox. Image is running slower than to my real scratchbox18:39
AStormif it worked... I'd do18:39
qwerty12Which distro do you used? I'm on my 4th working install of sbox18:40
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AStormgentoo, sbox b-ing about assert failed18:40
AStormI'll retry18:40
qwerty12Hehe, binaries installer taking a LONG time so I cancel it. I can't rerun the binaries script and apt-get updates fails18:42
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mouradI create a program with the python-GTK on maemo and  create the package for the installation on the N810. But  when installing the application on the tablet it need the python's package.anybody can give me some hints?18:43
qwerty12AStorm: I get same error as you. I think the image needs updating now. I belive it uses 4.0 where as latest is 4.0118:43
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johnxmourad, if you make your package depend on python2.5-runtime and have the xtras repository enabled on the tablet everything should work automagically18:44
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AStormqwerty12: how to do that?18:45
qwerty12I have no idea. I just use 4.01 in real linux18:46
mouradjohnx : how can i enable the  "xtras repository"18:46
AStormmaybe I'll just install it inside18:46
qwerty12My real linux's sbox updates fine18:46
johnxmourad, just look in application manager and hit tools -> application catalog ...18:46
johnxhit edit for maemo extras and uncheck disabled18:47
qwerty12AStorm: I think I know why it is failing.18:47
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AStormreboot of Gentoo18:49
Veggenanyone from uk here? Is the daylight saving time starting this weekend there too? Is that homogenized throughout Europe now?18:49
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qwerty12Veggen: I haven't heard about DST here.18:50
AStormqwerty12: so, how to do that?18:54
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qwerty12AStorm: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out last line. Updating still seems to fail for me but earlier18:55
mouradjohnx, in the catalog the component free non-free are available is it enough18:55
sp3000Veggen: "DST starts on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 1:00 AM local standard time"18:55
johnxmourad, look for the "Maemo extras" entry18:55
Zetxis there a thin layer of something on my screen (stock n800) or is that just me?18:56
AStormproblem is that it doesn't want to install anything18:56
Zetxa protective layer or something? :\18:56
Veggensp3000: yah, found out.18:56
AStormthat last line is needed18:56
johnxZetx, yes18:56
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* sp3000 throws a rabid kitten in the general direction of dst while at it18:56
qwerty12I dunno, Image seems old then.18:56
* johnx stabs DST18:56
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Zetxjohnx: can i take it off? i swear there are scratches or some marks or something on it and it drives me nuts18:57
Zetx...maybe i should find something to replace it though.. hm.18:57
johnxit's bad enough then they feel the need to monkey (reduced from a stronger word...) around with it every year just to piss off sysadmins...18:57
Veggensp3000: was trying to agree on a conference call with some technical support in UK. And was trying to find out what the proposed time on monday actually was ;)18:57
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johnxZetx, I think I've heard it's fine to take off, but mine didn't come with one since I bought a floor model...18:57
GeneralAntillesZetx, yeah, it's just a shipping proctero18:58
qwerty12Tis fine. Mine came with a silver sticker which pulls it off18:58
GeneralAntillesOf the sort that comes with most electronics.18:58
Zetxargh. that's what it was for!18:58
GeneralAntillesMy recommendation is to find something to replace it with, though.18:58
Zetxit didn't even begin to come off when i pulled it off :|18:58
GeneralAntillesI recommend the Boxwave anti-glare protectors.18:58
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AStormGeneralAntilles: where and how much?18:58
qwerty12Quick q, RD mode wastes battery afaik but is that because of the serial console is enabled while using it?18:58
AStorm(in EU)18:59
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GeneralAntillesexpanysys may sell them over there18:59
GeneralAntillesDon't recall18:59
sp3000serail-console has a separate rd mode flag though so rd doesn't necessarily imply serial console18:59
GeneralAntilles$12 USD18:59
qwerty12sp3000: I believe sconsole is turned on with rd mode by default.18:59
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, there really shouldn't be any difference in battery consumption with R&D unless you specifically set the serial flag.18:59
GeneralAntillesIt's not.18:59
qwerty12Ok, thanks. My bad.19:00
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sp3000qwerty12: I believe it isn't, but, shruggery19:00
ZetxGeneral: Okay, I'll look at Fry's or something19:00
mouradjohnx, i enable the xrtas repository but i could not found python2.5-runtime in available applications19:00
sp3000best to verify either way19:00
qwerty12Yeah, I'll check the flags, when I reboot tablet.19:00
AStormok, so how to fix/update that vmdk?19:01
GeneralAntillesZetx, you wont get anything tailor made retail19:01
GeneralAntillesYou'll have to modify something else19:01
GeneralAntillesBut I seriously recommend the Boxwave anti-glare.19:01
johnxmourad, run apt-cache policy python2.5-runtime from the x terminal to verify it's available19:01
johnxit won't show up in application manger I think, but if your app "depends" on it, it will get pulled in by your app19:01
GeneralAntillesIt's not in User/, so it wont show up in GUI unless Red Pill is enabled.19:01
* sp3000 wonders what magic allows sb-conf rm ' ' to pick the dafult target as its victim19:01
GeneralAntillesWhat johnx said.19:01
johnxother apps that pull it in include: usbcontrol and canola19:01
johnxs/canola/canola2 beta/g19:02
infobotjohnx meant: other apps that pull it in include: usbcontrol and canola2 beta19:02
ZetxGeneralAntilles: Where would you say i should buy it then? (Or do you just mean I should modify a boxwave anti-glare?19:02
sp3000I can't seem to find the thing that strips the arg or does something else nasty like that19:02
GeneralAntillesAs with everything, Zetx, the internet.19:03
ZetxBoo. I hate shipping. >_>19:03
GeneralAntillesWhy? Everything is cheaper online.19:04
GeneralAntillesEspecially when you factor in sales tax nonsense19:04
ZetxYeah, but shipping takes time :p19:04
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ZetxIf only I lived in the internet...19:04
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johnxso call 'em and ask if you can drive over and pick it up. I bet shipping is faster though :)19:04
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RayTracer`can someone help me out with wesnoth?19:33
RayTracer`I get this error for sound: error audio: Could not load music file '/usr/share/games/wesnoth/music/main_menu_new.ogg': Failed loading cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory19:33
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qwerty12Jaffa, you around? :)19:36
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Jaffaqwerty12: yup19:39
qwerty12Jaffa, If you do not mind me asking, if you release a new version of tablet-encode, would it be possible for it to automatically name the output file with the same name as the original file? Love tablet-encode btw, thanks :)19:40
Jaffaqwerty12: can do it already, if you do 'tablet-encode foo.avi .' or 'tablet-encode -l foo.avi' you'll get foo.avi.avi and foo.average.avi respectively19:41
qwerty12Ah! Ok, thanks :). I've been using gui :D19:42
crashanddiethat's ugly19:42
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Jaffaqwerty12: ah, ok. Does it prevent you? Problem is mencoder can't read and write to same file (AFAIK) so I'd have to take a copy first19:50
Jaffacrashanddie: syntactically? tablet-encode's acting exactly as cp and mv - but better suggestions welcome19:51
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crashanddieJaffa, well, I don't know what tablet-encode does (but I'm guessing it encodes files to be read by a tablet), so I'm shooting in the dark19:52
crashanddiebut if those files are supposed to be replaced19:52
crashanddiewhy not move the old one to movie.old.avi and the new one taking the full name, movie.avi19:52
crashanddiebut avi.avi is just plain ugly19:52
crashanddieI'd say at the very least19:52
crashanddienothing important really19:53
qwerty12Jaffa, Ok, ah well. I can live with manual naming :). I prefer tablet-encode to the official nokia encoder in windows19:53
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VeggenI use tablet encode in mythtv. I have made a user job "Tablet encode" that I can tick off in recording schedules, and it will run tablet-encode and put the results on a directory that I can access from the tablet via a web-browser.19:55
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VeggenI kind of like that. Simple.19:55
Jaffacrashanddie: it might do '', I was going from memory - but agreed .avi.avi is hideous19:56
Jaffaqwerty12: you've got the GUI working in Windows?19:56
Veggenbesides - I don't have Windows either :)19:56
qwerty12No :). I'm saying I like tablet-encode in Linux rather than the official nokia encoder that is in windows. sorry for misleading.19:57
JaffaAh :-)19:57
JaffaTheoretically it should work, but I've not tried the Gtk2 bindings for Perl in ActiveState or cygwin19:57
VeggenWhat pisses me off, btw, is all those things that run nice and fine on unix/Linux/whatever-servers, but the *client* access is supported only from Windows. Luckily it seems that Nokia is a *little* better there.19:58
qwerty12Hehe, I wouldn't mind trying it in windows. FF in linux results in corrupt downloads. So I use win for downloading and linux for other things.19:58
Veggencorrupt downloads? never had, actually...19:58
qwerty12Maybe because I am forced to use ndiswrapper.19:59
Veggen(and I use ff in Linux *all* the time)19:59
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lcukdo nokia release updates(security or otherwise) for the kernel at any point between the full reflashing process?20:04
VRethere has been only one for flash corruption20:05
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johnxis there a specific security hole that's got you worried?20:07
lcukno, but i was just thinking how a tweak would end up on everyones desktop if it was needed20:08
lcukfor instance, this rotation thing, or the memory speed thing20:08
qwerty12Nokia would never include them official imho20:09
qwerty12Like MMC 48 HZ mode isn't even supported by TI20:09
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qwerty12And rotation support isn't perfect too imho.20:09
lcuki know - i was reading up about the cpu throttling maemo uses and for ubuntu a patch was released and updated after a bug was spotted20:09
qwerty12Ah right. Meh, I don't think Nokia even tries TBH.20:10
qwerty12Actually, I dont know lol20:11
qwerty12I was gonna press backspace but my nokia stylus fell and hit enter lol20:11
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qwerty12I find it fun compiling your own kernel for the N800. You can fix quite a few things yourself too.20:11
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crashanddiebuilding xerces-c for maemo is a bitch20:12
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lcuki find it fun tinkering as well and will eventually end up rebuilding the kernel and beyond, but that helps me - it doesnt directly help everyone20:14
GeneralAntillesRotation will probably come officially at some point.20:16
GeneralAntillesWell, maybe20:16
GeneralAntillesAssuming they can iron out all the issues.20:16
GeneralAntillesLike qwerty12 said, the mmc speed increase is outside of the safe zone that TI determined.20:16
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GeneralAntillesThey do release kernel-only updates20:17
qwerty12I would love to see the bluez that handful mentioned on ITT that INdT were/are working on that makes A2DP much more usable.20:17
GeneralAntillesBut I dunno if they'll ever be shipped as just the kernel rather than the FIASCO image.20:17
lcukthose were examples, they personally dont bother me atm20:17
crashanddiedon't you hate it when you've been building a lib into a .deb, and takes about 10 minutes to compile, and it works, great, but you just spotted a typo in the name ?20:17
GeneralAntillesDiablo should be changing the whole update system quite dramatically.20:18
GeneralAntillesSo any speculation based on past behavior is fairly irrelevant going forward.20:18
lcukdiablo == compatible with n810 ?20:18
qwerty12Will Diablo be available on the current N800 hardware?20:18
GeneralAntillesDiablo = maemo 4.120:19
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GeneralAntillesI was under the impression that it was supposed to be OS2009/maemo 5.020:19
GeneralAntillesand there's an announcement that says almost as much on from a while back20:19
GeneralAntillesBut, evidently, Diablo is the codename for 4.120:19
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GeneralAntillesSo they seem to be going back to the (in my opinion, confusing) system that they used with 2.x20:20
GeneralAntilleswith a codename for every point release.20:20
GeneralAntillesSo, Diablo is the next OS2008 upgrade.20:20
JaffaAgreed, confusing as hell20:20
dtahtbotqwerty12: Error: "1" is not a valid command.20:20
lcuk5.0 will have been branched off to new hardware somewhere because they know they cant get the nice new features to run on std 8x0 ;)20:21
GeneralAntillesIt wouldn't bother me so much if they had stuck with it.20:21
GeneralAntillesBut they're now just switching randomly back and forth with each major revision.20:21
lcukbacked into a corner by promising compatability :)20:21
GeneralAntillesThere's no way OS2009 wont run on the N8x0 hardware.20:21
lcukis it staff turnover?  i dont think even they know the proper expected path20:22
GeneralAntillesESPECIALLY as the WiMAX tablet is gonna be an OMAP2 device.20:22
lcukapps and movements elsewhere change the roadmap20:22
qwerty12Meh for me, I couldn't really care if OS2009 wont run on N800. I don't really plan on buying another tablet. I live in London, I don't need WiMAX.20:23
lcukyes, understood, os2009 == maemo 4.1 == 8x0 compatible.       but thats not eh same thing as maemo 5.0 :)20:23
crashanddieI'd love wimax though20:23
GeneralAntillesOS2009 = maemo 5.020:23
WormFoodwill OS200x run on the zaurus?20:23
lcuki'd love to finally know where i am.  ive been stood around since december waiting for a gps lock :(20:23
WormFoodlcuk, you are under a rock20:24
qwerty12You are in Manchester :p20:24
lcuk:O waaa scary - ahhhh my ip20:24
crashanddiesay, if I packaged two libs for the OS2008, should I send them on some repo for others to use ?20:24
GeneralAntillesYou should get a cloak already. :P20:24
qwerty12lol, i am l33t :p20:24
qwerty12I hacked you :p20:24
lcuknahh im not afraid20:24
lcuk:O omg20:24
qwerty12Are you in Oldham?20:24
qwerty12I've got family there :D20:25
lcukthereabouts yer :)20:25
* lcuk shudders at how crap his local football team is20:25
mgedmincrashanddie: if those libs are useful to other people, then yes, I'd say maemo extras would be a good place20:26
* lcuk moves to old trafford20:26
GeneralAntillesI wish we'd see a generational upgrade before the end of summer.20:26
mgedminalthough most people are interested in apps rather than in libs20:26
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crashanddiemgedmin, commonc++2 & xerces-c20:27
* mgedmin yawns20:27
crashanddiewell, they'll be needing those libs if they want my apps :P20:27
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WormFoodI'm done playing marbles....are there any good games for the n800? (obviously "good" is subjective)20:27
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lcukwow, just what i need. ive been looking for commonx++2 for AGES.  ive had to struggle with commonc++1 and now all my problems will be cured.   NOT :|20:28
GeneralAntillesDozens and dozens WormFood.20:28
WormFoodGeneralAntilles, any suggestions?20:28
crashanddielcuk, ?20:28
crashanddiebrb, gonna fetch the IT20:28
lcukwormfood, you can play irc  - ive never had a device which connects before now20:28
lcukor you can play internet20:28
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lcukcrashanddie, was bein sarcastic sorry20:29
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qwerty12Any chance of a Playboy the mansion port? :p20:29
lcuki assume20:29
qwerty12Cool, lol :p :D20:29
WormFoodthanks, I'll take a look20:30
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lcuk:) pupnik has been seriously busy with this device20:30
* lcuk raises a glass20:30
koyotewesnoth keeps causing reboots.20:30
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mgedmincamera nearly killed my n810 today20:32
qwerty12How come?20:32
mgedmin100% cpu for several minutes20:33
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lcukwhat kind of camera? big stereo imax camera falling?    hubble space telescope reentered and fell on 810?20:33
mgedmindevice ignoring any input up to and including holding down the power button20:33
mgedminthe 'camera' app from nokia's repo, I think20:33
mgedmin"made not responsive for 5 minutes"20:33
qwerty12Do you have the rotation support installed?20:34
mgedminnot "bricked"20:34
lcukrunaway process - at very worst it will run until flat battery :)  and maybe operate as a hand warmer20:34
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lcukGeneralAntilles, whats your newest handheld then?  anything you are looking foreward to thats maybe not nokia?20:35
koyotesome people are hoping for that pandora20:35
GeneralAntillesPandora is ugly as shit.20:36
GeneralAntillesNo, shit's prettier.20:36
GeneralAntillesI wouldn't be seen in public with the mockup that they have on their website.20:36
GeneralAntillesBesides, it's pretty much strictly a gaming device.20:36
GeneralAntillesNo bundled OS to speak of (though Debian + Hildon/matchbox is certainly an option)20:37
koyotenope. from what i have gathered, complete linux environment is available20:37
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koyotebut I haven't really spent a lot of time looking at it.20:37
GeneralAntillesThe bundled OS is basically a loader.20:37
lcuksimilar spec hardware as nokia just with a joystick as well20:37
lcukdoesnt sound too bad20:37
lcuklooks awful20:37
GeneralAntillesLook at it. :P20:37
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lcuki agree with you on that front20:38
koyoteI thought it was an 800mhz cpu?20:38
GeneralAntillesPersonally, we can pretty much assume that the N900 will be OMAP320:38
lcukit might be, but its not lightyears ahead of the 8x020:38
koyoteI know that while the battery life has sucked on the existing ones, at least the battery conspiracy hasn't swallowed them20:38
lcuknext gen20:38
GeneralAntillesSo reusing Pandora code on the N900 is really what gets my mouth watering.20:38
GeneralAntillesOMAP3 is lightyears ahead of OMAP220:39
koyotethe Os for the nokias... i mean, i like mine, but it's very frustrating. basic basic simple UI stuff has never been considered.20:39
lcukof course its been considered - then out of hand dismissed20:39
koyoteI'd like at *least* as good a PIM as the palm, I mean, come on.20:40
lcukits annoying as hell to have a handheld touch device and need a stylus20:40
koyoteand left handedness.20:40
GeneralAntillesMeh, PIMs aren't free.20:40
GeneralAntillesNokia didn't design the device as a PDA20:40
GeneralAntillesThey invested that time and energy into things like web browsers.20:40
GeneralAntillesand stuffing Linux on a mobile device.20:41
elbit is indeed kind of surprising that no really well-integrated third-party PIM has showed up, though20:41
lcukn810: jack of all trades, master of none20:41
elbwell, except that no good PIM has ever showed up on any linux platform :-P20:41
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koyoteGeneralAntilles: oh, come on. existing solutions for linux on pda go back 8 years. reinventing the wheel isn't *always* necessary in linux20:41
mgedminlcuk: n810 is master in the "geek toys" department20:42
WormFoodI wished they could have put more effort into getting the wireless to work properly20:42
mgedminer, trade20:42
lcukthe game i play IS linux tinkering - ok mgedmin i agree20:42
GeneralAntilleskoyote, porting, integrating, bundling, aren't free either.20:42
koyoteI'm really happy with the hardware, and some of the software.20:43
GeneralAntillesThe NITs were shipped with a very small team.20:43
elbalso, I'm unaware of any existing Linux PDA solution with decent PIM software :-P20:43
koyoteGeneralAntilles: ppphhhbbbt. of course not. but money HAS been paid for this20:43
GeneralAntillesNot a lot of free resources to throw around.20:43
mgedminwhat's this "pandora" thing you were talking about?20:44
lcukdo we have any sales figures for the 8x0?20:44
elbmgedmin: openpandora.org20:44
koyoteGeneralAntilles: um, enough to get the thing out, you know.20:44
koyoteelb: the zaurus one wasn't *awful*20:44
mgedminlooks like a brick with an LCD attached20:44
lcukand a pair of nipples20:45
GeneralAntillesI fail to see how having enough resources to get the device shipped means they also have enough resources to put together a PIM suite. :\20:45
GeneralAntilleslcuk, ballpark 500k20:45
GeneralAntillesMaybe more20:45
GeneralAntillesActually, probably a fair bit more20:45
GeneralAntillesmaybe 750k20:45
lcuk500,00 people have nokias? seriously20:45
koyotethen you fail to see. you have ego-attachment to it not being possible. *shrug*20:45
GeneralAntillesIt was around 300k N800 and 50-100k 77020:46
GeneralAntillesThat was . . . September last year.20:46
elbI think the n800 has seen a fair amount of sales since the n81020:46
elb(more salient, since its huge price drop)20:46
lcuki can agree with that20:46
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GeneralAntillesI have ego-attatchment to it not being possible?20:47
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elbI didn't follow that, either20:48
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elbI agree with koyote that, were I Nokia, I would have allocated a bit of time to at least a rudimentary PIM; however, it's clear that they chose to allocate their time and money somewhere else, and developing such an application is *not* free and trivial20:48
mgedminkoyote: the usability drop when you switch from a palm to a nokia IT is very very noticeable20:49
lcukeven from a pocketpc20:49
mgedminotoh I can do things with my n810 that just aren't possible with a palm20:49
mgedminand software noticeably improves every year20:49
lcukssh is one of them20:49
mgedminanyone remember OS2005? *shudder*20:49
GeneralAntillesIt wasn't THAT bad, mgedmin. :P20:50
elbI wouldn't say there's a usability drop compared to a Palm20:50
elbit's hard to compare20:50
mgedminit could've been worse, yes20:50
mgedminelb: little things, like requiring at most 3 taps to achieve any function20:50
elbthe Palm is pretty simple and bulletproof -- but that's easy if you don't *do* anything20:50
||cwnokia IT is not sold as a PDA20:50
mgedminthe time to start an application20:50
mgedminpalms did the things they could do very very well20:50
elbyeah, dedicating the desktop to some sort of hot-start buttons would be superior to those stupid applets20:51
GeneralAntillesand fell to pieces with anything else.20:51
elbapplets are just all the rage20:51
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elbthe OS2008 applets make me ill :-P20:51
elbheaven forbid you should have to move one around, or resize it20:51
lcukoh you can move one around: just try NOT to20:52
lcddthe most useful applet is web shortcut.. and there's only one20:52
elbset the stylus down ... wait a few seconds and hope it's done grabbing, move it slowly so the resize can catch up ...20:52
GeneralAntillesI like how they made the Contacts applet useless.20:52
lcukuse rss feed and get it fed from a personal list on your desktop20:52
koyoteit is odd, when you consider that the palm os has traditionally been a low end DB engine.20:52
GeneralAntillesand haven't done a damn thing about it for 6 months.20:52
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elbI plopped the gpe calendar summary on my desktop and haven't looked at applets since20:53
koyotegpe approaches goodness20:53
elbI just try not to inadvertently touch it, due to the movement lcuk mentions ;-)20:53
lcukits similar with the touchscreen control in fbreader..20:54
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elbhah yeah20:54
mgedmintouchscreen control anywhere, really20:54
lcuknahhh - it can be done really nicely20:54
elbyou can select, scroll, etc. at random20:54
GeneralAntillesDid the N810's touchscreen get any less noisy than the N800's?20:54
elbby touching the screen20:54
lcukjust take the touch as a one and only action per stroke20:54
GeneralAntillesThe 770's screen is a lot more responsive than the N800's20:55
elbI understand the 800 and 810 behave about the same20:55
elbbut os2008 is different from 200720:55
lcukthe touch on my 810 doesnt really respond to finger slides unless its pressed quite hard, but nail works flawlessly20:55
elb(its threshold for "finger" versus "stylus" being somehow different)20:55
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GeneralAntillesI hope the panel on the N900 is better.20:55
lcukim using rawmode and can see the effect - its the actual hardware20:55
lcukunlike the glass of that other touchscreen thingy it doesnt like your finger20:56
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GeneralAntillesI always try and type like I do on the N800 on the iPhone20:57
GeneralAntillesDoesn't work well at all.20:57
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lcuki think i would have gotten an ipod or phone, but the resolution made me cry - it was not an upgrade20:58
mgedminstylus-tapping is ok, although sometimes it registers twice for a single tap20:58
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mgedminfinger touching is not so good20:58
lcuktapping in which prog?20:58
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mgedminI think it's the hardware/drivers20:58
lcukcos fbreader is noticably worse - it does multi page moving if you hold it down20:58
mgedminI added "next page" and "prev page" buttons to the fbreader's toolbar20:59
mgedminworks fine, except for the occasional unexpected double tap20:59
lcuki use hardware now i can hold my device properly (in a wooden cradle) but at first i held nokia by its frame and was constantly catching the paging20:59
lcuki tried setting up a 100pixel area at bottom of screen but it STILL responds..21:00
lcukhardware buttons *21:00
GeneralAntillesThe -/+ buttons are the way to change pages.21:00
mgedminone way, yes21:00
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mgedminwith a n810 in landscape mode, when you teach for those buttons, your hand covers the light sensor and the screen dims21:01
GeneralAntilles-/+ + portrait21:01
mgedminanyway, n810 is the best device I've ever had21:01
mgedminand only the palm m500 looked more stylish21:01
lcukmgedmin, put a sticker over the sensor and never worry about it again :)21:01
lcuki have a "well done" smiley sticker from my sons school21:02
elbor just turn the screen brightness down21:02
elbat the lowest level, it ignores the sensor21:02
lcukits not that elb - the sensor makes it go beyond the user settable range21:02
elbI thought my sensor just didn't work for a long time ;-)21:02
elblcuk: no really -- it ignores it completely at the lowest brightness setting21:02
lcuknever gave it chance, it kept altering brightness when i was hoving hand over it - im a left hander) and it was annoying21:03
jottjust turn all lights off in your room :)21:03
lcuki read in dark with a dark screen and white text :)21:04
elbthe keyboard still seems to react to the light sensor at the lowest brightness setting21:04
lcukfor hours and hours and hours and hours and then wonder why im tired the next day :S21:04
elbbut it's kind of haphazard21:04
lcukthe keyboard backlight is the only annoying thing - i read with device open (i use dpad for navigation) and it keeps coming on when i change pages21:04
GeneralAntillesYou know what makes me laugh? People who set the text to gray. <_<21:04
lcukand keep max brightness up21:04
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elbI read with the device closed, screen rotated21:05
lcukmgedmin, you are right, for its annoyances, the 810 is lightyears ahead of anything :)21:06
elband use the +/- rocker to page21:06
GeneralAntillesSame here, elb.21:06
lcukuncomfy for hand - i hold mine like a book and just press thumb to change21:06
GeneralAntillesIf I lie on my side I can use the stand to read hands free.21:06
elbahh, it fits in my hand fine that way21:06
elbbut my fingers are very long21:06
lcuki rest my cradle on stomach and its perfect height21:06
lcukfor those that havent seen:
lcukits book sized and is as comfy as holding a book21:08
GeneralAntillesLaptop battle!
mgedminlcuk: yay!21:08
mgedminwhy imageshack and not flickr?21:08
koyotesomewhere I have my old folding usb keyboard21:09
elbman how I wish os2008 had a usable terminal21:09
mgedminelb: ?21:09
koyotemaybe that will be more stable that the bt kbdd one i have which locks the system up sometimes21:09
elbwhat part of that statement confused you?21:09
* koyote nods21:09
mgedminelb: which is short "I find it very usable for my own used, but I would like to hear your gripes"21:09
mgedminwhich is short *for* "..."21:10
* mgedmin was trying to save time21:10
lcukno accounts anywhere (apart from a couple of places people could discover)21:10
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mgedminwell, ok, gripes: ctrl toolbar button is *broken*, and 100% cpu busyloop on shell exit is stupid21:10
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mgedminnokia took maemo-hacker's version of osso-xterm, and then deliberately broke the ctrl button21:10
koyotecontrol is HORRIBLE on that.21:11
GeneralAntillesI was just gonna say that, mgedmin. :P21:11
mgedminbut I liked the switch from a vertical to a horizontal toolbar21:11
lcukGeneralAntilles, your ultimate laptop is not very portable - and with mine i can flip it over, screw on the other half and play chess21:11
elb1) the stupid button bar comes back every time you restart the terminal; 2) the scrollbar is only removable by gconf preference, and ditto for restart; 3) there is no good way to get an 80x24 screen, due to sizing limitations and the terminal's inability to ignore part of the screen; 5) ...21:11
mgedminI actually downloaded the sources -- the sane ctrl toolbar button code is there, just commented out21:11
elb4, 5, whatever21:11
elbalso the gnome vte is pretty darn craptastic21:11
koyotescreen real estate handling is just generally broken anyway. but that's another major issue. I'd like to pop up the smaller keyboard and not actually resize the xterm screen.21:11
elbyeah, screen keyboards/etc. as overlay would be nice21:12
Veggenhmm. can you remove the button bar?21:12
VeggenI don't need it anymore.21:12
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elbVeggen: yes, in the menu ... but it iwll come back as sono as you restart the terminal application21:12
jottelb: it's just that they don't release any new build of osso-xterm the toolbar/scrollbar issue is fixed21:12
jott(in svn)21:12
mgedmin"button bar" == "toolbar"?21:12
elbjott: that's good to hear21:13
Veggenelb: hmm...source is open, right? so I should recompile it, change the default...ok, one day.21:13
jotti made a recent build ..21:13
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elbwhat I'd really like to see is urxvt stuck in a hildon-aware frame21:14
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jottvte is not that bad :)21:14
elbthough that'd also require a hildon-aware IM21:14
elbit's pretty crappy21:14
* mgedmin actually likes vte21:14
elband slow as bejezus21:14
elb(which matters on an IT)21:14
mgedminit at least has double-buffering21:14
mgedminyay flicker-free scrollback21:14
elbI'm not aware of any modern terminal which doesn't21:15
mgedmin(this is one of the issues that made me go back from xterm to gnome-terminal)21:15
elbunless xterm doesn't, which I guess wouldn't surprise me21:15
mgedmin"modern" being the key word21:15
mgedminurxvt, xterm -- not modern21:15
elburxvt has double-buffering21:15
elband you can hardly call urxvt not modern21:15
mgedminoh, it has?21:15
* mgedmin pauses21:15
elbit handles virtually everything better than vte/konsole/etc.21:15
mgedminwell, it doesn't have tabs21:16
mgedminso there21:16
elbactually, it does21:16
mgedmincan't have a terminal without tabs :-)21:16
jottelb: uhm?
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mgedminit has TABS?21:16
mgedminwoohoo, urxvt grew up while I wasn't looking21:16
elbjott: "uhm?" what?21:16
jottperfomance of konsole/gnome-terminal is much better21:16
elbI'm very glad to see that it can cat a file21:16
elband ... "better" is very relative21:17
elbI notice, for example, that every single urxvt usage is using xft21:17
elbregardless of some unscientific crappy blog entry ... gnome-terminal is slow to actually *use*21:18
elbscrolling, particularly21:18
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jottis slow or seems slow?21:18
elbnotice that gnome-terminal is "fast" by batching updates21:18
jotti.e. time cat verylargefile.txt ?21:18
jottas in "seems slow" :)21:18
mgedminscrolling as in less, or as in cat largefile, or as in mouse-wheeling through the scrollback?21:19
elbno, as in paging with ctrl+pgup/pgdn *is* slow21:19
mgedminctrl?  not shift?21:19
elbor whatever it uses, it's ctrl in urxvt21:19
mgedmininteresting, I had the impression most xterms used the same keys21:20
elb(the real point being, if you actually need multibyte text in your terminal, you're using urxvt)21:20
mgedminso, scrollback21:20
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elband the performance of catting large files is almost wholly irrelevant to anything ;-)21:20
mgedminI once (7 years ago?) compared xterm and Eterm21:20
elbif you want to speed that up on any given terminal, just friggin' minimize it21:20
mgedminspecifically, scrolling through scrollback with Shift+PgUp21:20
mgedminone appeared to be fast, one appeared to be slow21:20
mgedminone was faster one was slower21:20
mgedminand these were different21:21
mgedminone did double-buffering, one didn't21:21
koyoteif you want a tabbed terminal use xchat. this is, as people keep repeating, a limited resources device. all i want is a true well behaved xterm21:21
mgedminthe one that did (Eterm, I think) appeared faster although it was slower21:21
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koyotesomething any ncurses app can run on without a hiccup.21:21
elbeterm was not (back in the day) double-buffered21:21
elbor rather, its *text* wasn't21:21
elbI think other crap was :-P21:22
elb(it was essentially rxvt)21:22
koyotei want the pop up keyboard to overlay and not touch the xterm. and i want it to appear on the top of the screen21:23
elbthat's another travesty of vte -- it claims to be xterm, but is not 100% xterm compatible21:23
koyotewhile we're at it, I'd like the ui to not make the device into a qvga with all that real estate wastage. :)21:23
elbwhich means that applications which use obscure corners of terminfo capabilities fall down21:23
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koyotedoes anyone know why a choice was made to make this immutable set of crap on the left hand side instead of being able to just pop shortcuts onto a desktop?21:27
koyotethat's actually the very first thing i noticed.21:27
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GeneralAntillesBe nice if you could dump all the stuff on the taskbar into the statusbar area.21:29
AStormI'd like some clock in the appbar21:30
GeneralAntillesThe horizontal width is really the most important part of the device.21:30
AStormyou know where21:30
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GeneralAntillesTaskbar or statusbar?21:30
koyotewell, this is one of those "it costs money thing"- they spent oibvious time and money replacing a menubar and desktop shortcuts codebase with ... a complete real estate wastage21:31
AStormwhere the app button is21:31
GeneralAntillesYou could probably code one up.21:31
AStormya, an applet21:31
GeneralAntillesThe taskbar applets aren't really any different from the statusbar applets.21:31
koyoteport qtopia? or the old cacko xserver stuff?21:31
GeneralAntillesHeck, a feature request for personal menu?21:31
AStormkoyote: it's not that bar21:31
AStormand you can switch between 3 apps quickly :P21:32
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AStormcould use MRU21:32
koyotethis thing has the same resolution as my eeepc, half the cpu maybe and less ram, but it should be able to handle what I do on the eee most of the time......21:32
koyoteAStorm: it's that bad. :)21:32
AStormfullscreen button?21:32
AStormactive corners?21:33
AStorm(someone has to add them)21:33
AStorm(use the touchscreen some more)21:33
koyotethe fullscreen handling seems like it does odd things, nad there's a lot of lack of use of the buttons.21:34
AStormwell, tray is nice21:34
AStormbuttons on the left, uhm21:34
elbwhat odd things does fullscreen handling do?21:34
AStormonly main menu is really needed21:35
elbsome applications don't handle it well, but that's simply application bugs21:35
AStormand maybe task menu21:35
elbI use almost everything in full screen, and use the app switcher hardware button to change between21:35
koyote*shrug* i guess i'm just used to x21:35
AStormto what?21:36
rechosenHmmm... Any chance someone could compile gnumeric for OS2008? Or is there a good alternative?21:36
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AStormrechosen: someone already did that21:36
AStormsearch the web21:36
AStormand repos21:36
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rechosenAStorm: That's awesome. Maybe Yahoo doesn't feature the pages about it? =)21:36
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AStormcheck gronmayer.com21:37
* rechosen is a Google-avoider21:37
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AStormin testing maemo extras21:37
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rechosenAStorm: Thanks =)21:40
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angelrHi Everyone, what's the preferred method of executing a host based executable from within scratchbox? For example, I would like to run "javac" from within scratchbox.22:14
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lcukwithin scratchbox, you can choose the target22:14
lcukif you select x86 then rebuild the project it should be runnable22:15
lcuk(on an x86 machine...)22:15
angelrThanks lcuk, however, I don't think I explained myself correctly.22:15
angelrlet me try again....22:15
GeneralAntillesStupid that they didn't rename it. <_<22:16
angelrI would like to cross compile phoneme (open source jvm from sun).22:16
angelrHowever, during the build process22:16
angelrtheir make target requires javac to be on the path22:16
angelrjavac is an x86 binary, however, it is used22:17
angelrby the makefile to build the arm target22:17
angelrso I'ld like to execute javac (x86 binary) to generate .class files which will be used to build the jvm for the arm target.22:17
angelrdo I make sense?22:17
lcukyou do, but i know nothing about that.  basically you want an extra tool for the toolchain :)22:19
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angelrmaybe I can set up a link from my scratchbox/user/<myname> to the host22:19
angelrand it'll show up on my scratchbox target22:19
jottangelr: you could also install  which provides a javac :)22:20
jott(though maybe not 100% java 6 compatible i bet)22:20
jottoh well its the eclipse compiler 3.3.1.. should be ok :)22:21
angelrI only require java 1.4. Thakns for your suggestion22:21
jottmaybe also look at
jottand the other jalimo pages22:22
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angelrlcuk and jott, thanks. i'm looking into jalimo, This is of much help.22:24
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WorkingOnWisewhat do I need to build a maemo development environment on my Ubuntu Gutsy laptop so I can write a python based app? I'm not a professional developer by any stretch, but I need an app and no one has written it yet, so I will.22:32
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GeneralAntillesYou really don't need anything for Python.22:32
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GeneralAntillesMight be useful:
lcukfor python i just edit the file directly from the 810 (I use ssh to do browsing and edit using a windows editor22:33
WorkingOnWisesince I'm no python a scripting language or does it need to be compiled?22:36
lcuksince your not a developer are you gonna have much luck making what you want, and are you sure theres nothing around like what your after22:37
WorkingOnWisesure I will...22:38
WorkingOnWiseas for anything like what I joy yet. I ned to convert mp3's fron whatever bitrate they might be to a single bit rate, and copy the converted ones to anothe directory, and keep track of what still needs to be converted so as I add mp3's to the mail collection, they can be easilt converted to the lower bitrate22:39
WorkingOnWiseit's for my tablet and cell phone 's mp3 collections...22:40
GeneralAntillesWhy Python?22:40
GeneralAntillesJust use bash for that.22:40
WorkingOnWiseI want a pretty front end...22:40
WorkingOnWisemy wife, nephew, etc etc would never use such an app if it were command line..especially on a tablet22:41
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lcukwouldnt this be a desktop app?  doing the copying and converting and everything will be better surely?22:42
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WorkingOnWiselcuk: it will be both. I have heard lotsa skips on the tablet listening to a 320kbps mp3 if I do anything else at would be nice to convert them on the fly if needed22:45
||cwWorkingOnWise: hm, I foudn a gui like that recently, let me see if I can find it again22:45
||cwwasn't for the IT, but might have been python22:46
WorkingOnWise||cw: that would be AWESOME22:46
lcddWorkingOnWise: high bitrate a cause for skipping? that sounds unusual22:47
||cwyeah, even the 770 should play 320's22:47
GeneralAntilleslcdd, while multitasking.22:48
WorkingOnWisehmmm...I cant imagine what else it could be....22:48
crashanddieI've been battling with dpkg for long enough today :)22:48
crashanddieI'm off22:49
crashanddiecheers everyone22:49
crashanddieand thanks for your help, once again22:49
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WorkingOnWisemy phone skips like a freakin kindergartner on anything above 256. I asumed it was simular trouble on the IT, but the IT is way smoother...22:50
WorkingOnWisebut not perfect, unless they are under 26522:50
||cwWorkingOnWise: python pyGTK and and gstreamer based22:50
GeneralAntillesWhen you 100% the CPU browsing the internet while listening to MP3s, you tend to get skipping.22:51
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AStormwe need CFS on this device22:52
WorkingOnWise||cw: u are my hero! thats the app I was gonna write!22:52
AStormnew (now default) cpu scheduler introduced in 2.6.2322:52
WorkingOnWise(smileing as I learn I dont have to learn python this weekend)22:53
||cwWorkingOnWise: I was very happy to find it too22:53
||cwit's in ubuntu's repo FWIW22:54
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WorkingOnWiseI am checking that now...I think I was too specific in my google..I was including tablet or maemo in the search string, and only loking at the fires page of results....22:55
elbdoes the media player not know how to use the DSP for MP3 decoding?22:56
elbI guess it could be a bandwidth problem22:56
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GeneralAntillesIt uses the DSP, elb.22:59
elbso multitasking on the primary CPU should have limited effect22:59
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elbwhich reminds me ... I've been working under the assumption that mp3 decoding would be easyier on my battery than ogg decoding, does anyone have numbers for that?23:00
elb(mp3 not only generally being simpler to decode, but also being handled on the DSP)23:00
AStormnah, no numbers yet23:01
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AStormdue to canola not supporting ogg playback yet23:02
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elbhow is that related?23:02
elbmedia player supports ogg playback with a plugin23:02
WorkingOnWiseis there any way to move the text completion to the right of the space bar? I'm a gets in my way big time. OS200823:02
elb(or replacement, I'm not clear)23:03
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WorkingOnWise||cw: do you know if soundconverter will just ignore files it cant transcode? like pics and such?23:10
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||cwWorkingOnWise: I would assume, but I don't know23:14
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Tama^2anyone succeeded at following the instruction for meamo sb2 ?
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`0660that didn't reveal much :)23:57
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