IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2008-03-20

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JasonWoofI turned off the statusbar icon for pidgin, and now I can't get the buudylist window back00:01
JasonWoofwithout closing all my chats00:02
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NaviJasonWoof, lol00:13
NaviUse rtcomm instead ^_^00:13
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JasonWoofthat the builtin one?00:16
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NaviJasonWoof, yeah00:20
JasonWoofis there a way to get it to do jabber and irc??00:21
GeneralAntillesIt's jabber by default00:21
GeneralAntillesInstall the Calabora extras or the beta release for IRC00:22
GeneralAntillesStill, both Pidgin and rtcomm blow hard for IRC00:22
GeneralAntillesUse Xchat instead.00:22
JasonWoofoh, ipthen it was aim that it didn't do00:23
infobotJasonWoof meant: oh, then it was aim that it didn't do00:23
GeneralAntillesIt does AIM with Colabora00:23
GeneralAntillesor the beta release00:23
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JasonWoofcool, thanks00:23
JasonWoofcool bot :)00:23
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KotCzarnyjust a repost:
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pH5jott: looks like plain thumb code, which is nice. bad news is that until I learn anything about this unistore-ii format of the .C0R file, it's just a 67M binary blob to me, and I have no better idea than to loosely search around in the general vincinity of the pvr strings you found.00:45
jottpH5: yeah, i wonder if there are some specification of it .. can't be too complicated00:48
jotti suppose there has to be some FAT in there..00:49
pH5there's some FAT file system inside, but the 'XSR' in the beginning makes me believe that there might well be some moving blocks around going on.00:49
pH5google XSR, unistore-ii, onenand00:50
pH5I've only seen overview documents until now, but there has to be something out there :)00:50
jotthave you looked at the samsung pdf?00:50
jottlooks like some useful information in it :)00:51
pH5yes. but either I'm very tired or there's no useful info inside.00:51
jottwell atleast some conceptual stuff and some basic structure00:52
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jottbut most of it can be obtained by close looking i suppose :)00:52
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pH5jott: yeah, I probably shall look at it again00:52
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jotti'm just wondering as i thought there would be more symbian firmware hacking going on ;)00:54
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lcukjott, i dont see that much of it - maybe maemo deflects those who want a hackable01:03
lcukbig shiney lights lure the hackers in and then dont see the point of shelling out again for something with a lower res screen ;)01:04
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pH5a pity, I always like to discover that other people already have done the hard work01:04
pH5good night01:05
lcukon the other nseries nokia are supporting them01:05
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lcukthey are getting the ngage platform which makes use of pvr01:05
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lcukthe paple only looks so shiney because they have lots of blittability thanks to the pvr01:06
lcukhmm *apple01:06
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KotCzarnyiphone has multitouch screen01:07
lcukmulti touch isnt everything, though its very nice01:07
KotCzarnyand usefull01:08
lcuki cant cope with the low resolution tho01:08
lcukit wasnt much better than my old pda - the 810 is glorious at full res01:08
KotCzarnyit would be a pity if they abandon n8x0 in favour of the next one01:10
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admin_I wish there was a way for kernel bootup to be verbose on n770 :( is there any way to do that?01:10
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admin_hey KotCzarny :D01:12
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KotCzarnyhi admin01:12
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lcukim pretty much considering this a fixed platform right now - its not a problem as long as ive got the tools to code in it01:12
KotCzarnyhaving sdk is nice01:13
lcukeverything is going to be archived and kept with a cd in its box - a whole sdk and main important debs01:13
admin_guess the answer's a no :(01:13
KotCzarnyadmin: why do you need it?01:13
lcukadmin, i dont tihnk we can even do that on 81001:13
KotCzarnyjust insert dmesg >/tmp/dmesg.log early in rc2.d01:14
admin_it'll just look cool :P01:14
admin_KotCzarny: I mean to the actual boot screen01:14
admin_while booting, like if you amend verbose to a kernel in GRUB or something01:15
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LateralusIs anyone aware of where the device name is stored? The name that is displayed when you go to control panel -> memory -> storage tab, device details01:15
lcukwhy not try and hack your 810 to do it ;) be the first to display tux in the box ;)01:15
KotCzarnyadmin: have you tried xrandr patch? it's much better than bootup messages01:16
KotCzarnylcuk: that's pretty easy01:16
KotCzarnyjust replace one file ;)01:16
admin_I didn't KotCzarny01:16
KotCzarnyread: screen rotation01:17
jottwell it'll not work on n770 :p01:18
KotCzarnyi forgot01:18
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KotCzarnysorry for that :)01:18
KotCzarnyi though he has n8x001:18
jottbut you can enable kernel messages in the .config file..01:18
jottjust make sure auto update for the lcd is enabled01:18
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lcukdo people use googlepages for their blogs?01:19
jottmaybe so extra initfs hacking to disable the bootup screen if you want it to be uninterrupted :)01:19
KotCzarnyjott: what would happen if specified file was deleted?01:19
jottwhich file?01:20
KotCzarnytwo of them actually01:21
KotCzarnythat show during bootup01:21
jottoh.. haven't tested but afair it's just a simple sh script anyway01:21
KotCzarnythey're loaded from fs01:21
jottthat handles the display01:21
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Firebird8hi, i just replaced some icons on my N810 but they won't change to the new ones.. any ideas why?02:05
KotCzarnyicon cache02:06
KotCzarnythere was a command to rebuild it02:06
KotCzarnygtk-something -f /usr/share/icons/hi-color/02:06
KotCzarnyor something02:06
Firebird8got it02:07
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Lubomiris it possible to connect an 3g data card over usb and use it for internet radio or just browsing in the internet?02:18
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KotCzarnydata card? what's that?02:19
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MangoFusionanyone here happen to be using safari 3.1 on mac/windows yet?02:20
ptoI need a hint; on my N800 I like to start a graphical framebuffer application rather than the Maemo/Nokia window manager as the default. I.e. I dont want maemo-launcher02:20
ptoWhere can I hack this in OS2008?02:20
GeneralAntillesLubomir, a 3g card will get you anything internet related02:21
GeneralAntillesthe hard part is getting the drivers setup.02:21
KotCzarnydisable hw watchdog and explore /etc/rc2.d/02:21
ptoI guess that there are similar files as /etc/inittab and /etc/rc.local02:21
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LubomirGeneralAntilles, does the N800/N810 support those cards?02:22
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GeneralAntillesSearch on ITT02:22
Lubomirwhat kernel is on that devices?02:22
GeneralAntillesI haven't bothered to investigate02:22
GeneralAntillesas I just tether02:22
ptoKotCzarny: /etc/rc2.d seems fine - I can do this, but the hw watchdog - what/where is this?02:23
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Lubomirthe perfect thing were getting gentoo linux compiled on that device. then i dont need any more an expencive umpc with x86 cpu ^^02:23
KotCzarnypto: process that keeps kernel from rebooting02:24
KotCzarnyi think it also watches some crucial tasks02:25
GeneralAntillesDebian's armel port is much much farther along than Gentoo's.02:25
Lubomirthere is a port of debian to that device?02:26
ptoDebian on N800?02:26
Lubomirbut when there were ANY chance to get gentoo on it, i would do that. Then i will went tomorrow in the city and buy the n810 :-D02:26
GeneralAntillesI don't know of anybody putting much work into getting Gentoo going specifically for the N8x0s02:27
MangoFusiongentoo on an IT? you'd kill your tablet within the first week!02:27
jottwell there are chances to run any linux distribution that more or less supports arm on it :)02:27
KotCzarnygetting gentoo on it is not a problem, drivers are :>02:27
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LubomirMangoFusion, why?02:27
jottall distributions (but os200x) have the same problem.. drivers and power management...02:28
MangoFusionwell for one you'd wear out the flash from all the compiling. then the processor would blow up02:28
LubomirKotCzarny, why? I have gentoo running on my tablet pc here ;-)02:28
MangoFusionthough that is just a theory ;)02:28
KotCzarnylubomir: drivers are binary blobs02:28
Toma-Im trying to launch the app-launcher python-efl example but i get a "failed to load edje" error. is this a known problem?02:28
jottMangoFusion: you do not need to compile everything ON the device02:28
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Lubomiri do not need to compile everything in the device. i can do cross-compiling02:29
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LubomirKotCzarny, what drivers exactly?02:30
KotCzarnyat least wifi02:31
LubomirKotCzarny, wifi ist not so important, because i wanted to use my own usb wifi card02:31
Lubomirsomething else?02:31
jottpower management02:32
KotCzarnyjott mentioned power management02:32
jottyour device will just live an hour or so :)02:32
KotCzarnyjott: but using nokia's kernel will help that?02:32
Lubomirjott, that can be solved with external battery with nokia power connector until i get that workin02:33
KotCzarnyor it's userspace controlled?02:33
jottit's userspace02:33
Lubomirwould like to use an normal 2.6.25 kernel ;-)02:33
jottwell if you use the underlying stuff (i.e. bme and umac kernel module) you can run pretty much everything02:33
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jottlike in userspace02:34
jottwell getting wifi with other kernel versions should be do-able with the binary umac blob02:35
jottbut bme is more serious02:35
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jottthe question is, what do you expect from the device? or what do you want to do with it..02:38
Lubomirjott, would the installation be like that? boot from usb, insert an 16GB SDHC card, load an sparc kernel and an sparc stage3 (is that the correct one for arm?), compile my things on the device, ready ?02:39
jottarm is arm :)02:39
jottjust follow the debian wiki entry.02:39
jottit should apply to pretty much every arm based distribution at large02:39
jottthough arm in gentoo is quite unmaintained last time i checked02:40
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Lubomirjott, i want to play with linux on the way. in my car, i want to connect an usb hsdpa card that is connected to an external umts antenna and hear internet-radio (do that at the moment with my n95 connected to the car-radio). Also i want to use and external bluetooth mouse and keyboard and use openoffice at univerity on that device02:41
jottyou can do pretty much of all this with os2008 :)02:41
Lubomiri would miss my layman,portage,...02:42
jottwell don't know about the usb card but gentoo wouldn't help there :)02:42
jottyeah well apt is not that bad ;)02:42
shackannot sure about openoffice02:42
GeneralAntillesJust tether to the N9502:42
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jottoo runs ok via vnc/rdp/x forwarding02:42
jottor use abiword :)02:43
jotton the device02:43
GeneralAntillesOr KDE02:43
jottor kde02:43
jottand koffice02:43
LubomirGeneralAntilles, i want an external antenna, because with the n95 i do not have such a stable connection02:43
shackanactually, there's no way you can run openoffice there02:43
jottshackan: "no way" is probably untrue...02:44
Lubomiris there not just an gcc where i can run "make" and wait 1day and i have that on there?02:44
jottnot convenient / not fast maybe..02:44
Toma-is there anyway to scrap maemo/hildon off a 770?02:44
Toma-and replace it with just X?02:44
jottLubomir: you have scratchbox, or you could use openembedded02:44
jottyou can also install gcc on the device02:44
jottit's pretty much a linux device with a couple of closed source blobs..02:45
Lubomiri think i will buy an n810 and play a bit with it after i have written the 3 tests at the university at the end of that month02:45
jottToma-: maemo/hildon uses X :)02:46
KotCzarnylubomir: you can start playing with scratchbox now02:46
KotCzarnyand actually test the programs02:46
Toma-jott? i see there are some watchdog processes that make sure hildon gets up and running tho?02:46
jottjust disable the watchdog .. it's annoying anyway ;)02:46
KotCzarnyjott: yeah, hw reset would be nicer ;)02:47
Lubomirjott, i see you are one of the helper/devs of the debian on n8x0 project ^^02:47
Lubomiroh, sound do not work?02:48
jottwell i did some poking.. but did not have the time to dig much further..02:48
Lubomirbut i hope an external usb sound card of a2dp is working02:48
Lubomiror,not of02:48
Lubomirthen i can just conect to the bluetooth radio in the car02:49
jottwell if you want to have a (linux) device you can "just use" (and may do some extra hacking) the stock os2008 is quite ok02:50
jottif you want to poke and play around (getting debian/gentoo/whatever on it) - well you can always do this but it all need quite a bit of work ;)02:51
Lubomirjott, can i "destroy" the device with such playing?02:51
KotCzarnynot really02:52
jottas long as the bootloader is fine there should be no problem02:52
KotCzarnyunless you erase bootloader02:52
Lubomirjott, is the bootloader an normal grub in mdr?02:52
KotCzarnybut flashing kernel/initfs/rootfs won't do it02:52
jottno its some embedded loader02:52
Lubomirno grub possible?02:52
jottbut if you just use normal flash tool to upload kernel/rootfs/initfs its all fine02:53
KotCzarnylubomir: and you can play safe by installing fanoush boot menu and booting to mmc02:53
lcukso if you borken all the flash totally no matter what the boot loader will still fire?02:53
KotCzarnylcuk: boot loader is the first 128kb of builtin flash02:53
lcukis it user modifiable?02:53
jottand there is always serial/jtag to do serious repair work ;p02:54
Lubomiri think an normal grub also do not take much more space02:54
KotCzarnylcuk: define 'modifiable'02:54
KotCzarnyyes, you can overwrite it02:54
Lubomirjott, thanks. that with jtag was my next question ^^02:54
KotCzarnyas for adding features i don't know02:54
lcuk*flash = 0xdeadbeef;02:54
GeneralAntilleslcuk, if the flash which the bootloader is on is shot, then it wont work anymore. :P02:55
jottbut i see no point in getting grub on it.. u-boot would be a better approach..02:55
lcuki dont mean shot - i maen wiped/overwritten02:55
KotCzarnygrub has support for mtd ?02:55
jottbut this is some really low level hacking02:55
KotCzarnylcuk: yes02:55
GeneralAntillesThen you'd have to get it back to normal with jtag.02:56
lcukright - but with jtag it is recoverable because you can squirt code into the device02:56
KotCzarnybut that will require opening the device02:56
KotCzarnyand probably soldering02:56
KotCzarnyor just clamping02:56
jotti wonder if grub runs on anything !x86 :)02:57
lcukyer i know - i just wondered how stable they are :)  very well designed02:57
KotCzarnylcuk: same goes for wrt54g02:57
KotCzarnysimiliar philosophy02:57
lcukyes i can see now02:57
lcukthe router is just another full headless box02:58
Lubomirthe internal rom is 256mb. then i could use it like now my 100mb partition to put the kernels inside and make multi-boot linux system on one or more 16gb cards. can i also put os2008 on an sd-card?02:58
KotCzarnyit's not rom02:58
KotCzarnyit's flash02:58
Lubomirjott, i think i have seen grub on ppc02:58
jottyes you can boot os2008 from sd..02:58
lcukmy very first hard drive was a quantum fireball and it had 245mb :) i thought i would never fill it02:59
KotCzarnywithout repartitioning02:59
jottbut the bootloader does not allow to choose a different kernel02:59
* GeneralAntilles had 50MB02:59
jottatleast on the device02:59
KotCzarnyjott: how about kexec?02:59
lcukthis device makes me smile :)02:59
jottKotCzarny: never tried but could work02:59
KotCzarnybut that would require modified initfs i guess03:00
KotCzarnyor kernel with initramfs03:00
Lubomirjott, thats why i like grub ^^. just press "e" and choose an oter kernel ;-)03:00
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jottor use something more embedded like uboot03:00
KotCzarnylubomir: make a kernel with initramfs that will present you a list of kernels ;)03:00
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Lubomirokay, must buy the nokia first ;-)03:01
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jottyeah just buy it - you'll like it :)03:01
Lubomirand when selling it i do not loose so much money like selling again an normal umpc03:02
KotCzarnyand if you buy used you loose even less03:02
Lubomirwould the oqo e2 have now the new intel cpu and ANY nvidia card, that i would buy it03:02
KotCzarnythough it's bad for economy ;)03:02
jottKotCzarny: bad for nokia not for economy :)03:03
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KotCzarnyjott: it's true not only for nokia :)03:03
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jottnokia, and ONLY nokia ;>03:04
Lubomirhave nokia tell someting about the future of that devices?03:04
Lubomirwhat comes after the n81003:04
KotCzarnylubomir: nope, but everybody expects wimax03:04
jottLubomir: not really.. but i suspect another omap2420 with wimax ;>03:05
Lubomiri hope i wont have wimax...03:05
jaskawimax doesnt sound very nokiaesque03:05
KotCzarnyjaska: what the deal with sprint means then?03:06
Lubomiri do not like the gps inside that is in the n810 at the moment. i must pay for that and i do not need it03:06
KotCzarnylubomir: go n800 and bt kb03:06
KotCzarnyhalf the price, same fun :)03:06
jaskawouldnt know about american stuff tho03:06
Lubomiran internal keyboard would be nice...03:07
Lubomirand there is realy no other hardware change?03:07
Lubomirbetween n800 and n81003:07
jottthe n810 is a bit smaller03:07
KotCzarnylookd different03:07
jottgps, keyboard, rgb color led ;)03:08
KotCzarnyand has 1 sd slot less03:08
jott2gb internal + minisd instead of 2 normal sd03:08
KotCzarnyso n800: 2xSD + 256mb, n810: 1xminiSD + 2gb03:08
KotCzarnyflash prices are going down all the time :)03:08
KotCzarnyso for the future having 2x32gb could be nice feature03:09
Lubomirjott, minisd, not micro sd?03:09
jottbut micro will fit in mini slot with adapter ;)03:09
Lubomirand is there an weight difference between them?03:09
Lubomirbut when the n810 is smaler ...03:10
Lubomirno gps but 2 sd card slots would be more nice ;-)03:10
jottbut no internal kb..03:10
jottbut much cheaper ;)03:10
KotCzarnygps sucks atm. in n81003:10
* KotCzarny got igo ultraslim for 25$03:11
KotCzarny(bt kb)03:11
jottbt kb sucks for instant use :)03:11
KotCzarnyfor instant use i can use osk ;)03:11
jottyieks sucks even more ;P03:11
KotCzarnyor thumb kb :)03:11
jottoh and the n810 has a transreflective display03:13
KotCzarnyi have read it's not very good..03:13
jotti like it03:13
jottbut i have not seen the n800 under bad light conditions yet03:13
Lubomirtransreflective is that glossy?03:13
KotCzarnyreading in full sunlight is tiring, and in dark colors are washed03:14
KotCzarnythat's someone's opinion on it03:14
jottinstead of seeing nothing?! ;)03:14
KotCzarnylubomir: it means, no backlight necessary03:14
KotCzarny(in the external light of course)03:14
KotCzarnyjott: :)03:14
KotCzarnyjott: i should go and look up n810 for it03:15
KotCzarnyin the store etc03:15
jottyeah just have seen the n800 indoors yet ;)03:15
jottLubomir: anyway i still would say, get a n810 if you really have the money or a n800 if you are fine with the missing kb ;)03:16
KotCzarnyor if you like the design more03:17
GeneralAntillesN810 is 30g heavier.03:17
Lubomirah, that with the screen,"smaler" and the internal keyboard ( i would also use an bt keyboard ), are big points to get the n810 and not the n80003:17
GeneralAntillestransflective means it reflects light back through the screen from behind the backlight03:17
jottGeneralAntilles: 20g according to wikipedia.. but it's wikipedia ;)03:17
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GeneralAntillesnot that the surface of the screen is glossy.03:17
GeneralAntilles30g is what I remember03:17
GeneralAntillesEither could be totally wrong.03:18
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jottLubomir: pretty much. price and potentially bigger storage are points for n80003:18
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Lubomiri will get the n81003:19
Lubomirhave used the eee pc on the cebit and now i see that the n810 is realy smal ^^03:19
Lubomirn810 price drop03:20
jottyeah well it's not an umpc brick it actually fits in the pocket ;)03:20
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Lubomiran oqo e2 its also not hevy and not big03:20
jottbut does it fit in a normal pocket? ;)03:20
KotCzarnyn800 is 7.23oz, n810 is 7.97 (according to
jottnow we need to convert this to sane metric units :P03:21
GeneralAntillesThat's were pretty much all the other mobile Linux devices fall apart03:21
GeneralAntillesthey're just not pocketable.03:21
GeneralAntillesSmall is pretty irrelevant if it isn't _pocketable_03:22
KotCzarnynot true03:22
KotCzarnyi have my backpack with me all the time03:22
KotCzarnyso it's like a big pocket for me03:22
jottyieks handbag? ;)03:22
Lubomirin germany the price is not fallen at the moment
KotCzarnylubomir: wait a week or two03:23
johnxGeneralAntilles, not counting the zaurus line of course...03:23
jottor something like htc universal...03:23
LubomirKotCzarny, yes, will wait03:23
GeneralAntillesThey're discontinued. :P03:23
jottso is n800 :P03:23
johnxstill widely available and still running linux though :P03:23
jottbasically :)03:23
KotCzarnyn810 is a n800 in disguise ;)03:24
GeneralAntillesEr, since when, jott? <_<03:24
GeneralAntillesBesides, the N810 is there.03:24
GeneralAntillesSo you're point is irrelevant either way. :P03:24
jottit's not a big deal ;)03:24
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: So your point is irrelevant either way. :P03:24
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jottbut i can't order a n800 at nokia store03:24
Lubomirare there also "firmware updates" for such devices like on normal BB5 nokia phones?03:24
KotCzarnylubomir: more like rootfs' to reflash :)03:25
KotCzarnyn800 had os2007, os200803:25
Lubomircan i boot from usb?03:25
KotCzarnybut you flash them yourself03:26
KotCzarnylubomir: yes, there's a way03:26
KotCzarnybut it's network recovery mode03:26
Lubomirthe biggest minisd is 4gb -.-  Must buy the micro sd ...03:27
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Lubomirwow,found an 32gb extreme-speed sdhc ^^03:28
KotCzarnywhat price?03:28
KotCzarnyah. big price.03:28
Lubomirsame price as an complete n800 ^^03:29
KotCzarnyand it's sd03:29
jackyleeI need some suggestions. How should I if I want to reflash the whole system of the N800.Thanks03:29
KotCzarnynot minisd03:29
Lubomiryes, i know03:30
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Lubomiri will sleep now03:31
Lubomirsee us03:31
GeneralAntilleserm, jackylee, what's the question?03:32
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jackyleeNow my N800's os is os2008, but my maemo version is 3.x. Which should be 4.x. So I want to reflash the os to os200703:33
KotCzarnyyou got it wrong..03:34
KotCzarnyunless you forced some packages..03:34
KotCzarnyos2008 is maemo4.x03:34
GeneralAntillesWhy would you downgrade your device rather than upgrading the SDK?03:35
jackyleeMy network environment is not good, I tried several times to install online. All failed.03:36
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KotCzarnyjackylee: have you tried manual method?03:38
KotCzarnyhuh, saturn's rings are vanishing03:39
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jackyleeNot yet. I have take a look. I find that it have huge amount of packages to install when using install script.03:40
jackyleeSo, does that means I have to download a large amount of packets03:40
KotCzarnybut running installer script should reuse already downloaded packages.. i think03:41
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GeneralAntillesjackylee, try the vmware image?03:44
jottKotCzarny: i would say the rings are not as visible from the earth anymore due to relative rotation/angle :)03:45
KotCzarnyjott: yeah ;)03:45
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jackyleeI dont't think so. I used to have the same opinion with you but it actully does not reuse already downloaded package.It start over again. And I even can not find the where the downloaded packages. I have search in the03:46
jackyleeinstall script to find where the downloaded packages. Maybe if failed to install, it will delete all the packages03:46
jotti wonder how many great scientists in the last few hundered years wrote some exciting paper about the vanishing rings and where proven wrong :)03:46
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jackyleeGeneralAntilles, I haven't tried the vmware image. Would you give me some links on how to download it.Thanks03:47
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GeneralAntillesOS2007 is a big downgrade. Downgrading your device for your SDK seems like a very big sacrifice. <_<03:52
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jackyleeGeneralAntilles,Have you tried the vmware image. Is it possible to build external kernel from it.03:54
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errordeveloperright .. so i got a bad situation here with the usb-otg-plugin03:54
KotCzarnyfried nokia?03:55
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KotCzarnyvmware is arch-less03:55
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KotCzarnyor maybe is not03:57
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errordeveloperKotCzarny: didn't fry03:58
KotCzarnyi have always thought it's full x86 emu03:58
errordeveloperbut was frozen for a bit03:58
KotCzarnyed: let us know if it starts rebooting by itself03:58
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lcukerrordeveloper, i had that with mine - i drew too much power (my kb is rated at 100ma) and it did strange things until i popped the battery04:15
lcukit worked perfectly when i pressed one key at a time, but the drain was too much when i mashed it04:15
GeneralAntillesTime for a powered hub.04:18
lcuknahh i got an apple keyboard instead and im much happier wireless04:19
lcuki cant use usb in my cradle cos of location of the kickstand04:19
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lcukanyway, bed time - ive done a lot tonight and am pleased :)04:20
GeneralAntillesThis invalid?
KotCzarnybusyboxed tar has -z ?04:23
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KotCzarnyNokia-N800-51-3:/tmp/ram# tar -xf mpfr-2.3.1.tar04:25
KotCzarnytar: invalid tar magic04:25
KotCzarnyprobably unsupported tar format04:36
KotCzarnygnu tar creates ustar04:37
pupnikyah busybox04:37
KotCzarnybusybox also creates ustar04:38
KotCzarnylooks like busybox doesn't support v7 tar format04:42
KotCzarnyold one04:42
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KotCzarnysteps to replicate: tar -c --format=v704:43
KotCzarnyLog in to Bugzilla04:45
KotCzarnylet someone else fill the report.04:45
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smackpotatoanyone have trouble with virtual memory04:50
GeneralAntillesWhat sort of trouble?04:50
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johnxyeah, it seemed to trigger bugginess in the SD card driver04:52
smackpotatosorry for delay, i cant create vm , had 48 tried to change to 128 get a error message04:56
GeneralAntillesIs the card ro?04:56
GeneralAntillesTried turning off and deleting the old swap?04:57
tank-manmaybe it is in use? (too many apps open)04:58
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Tama^2hi italo05:56
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amen2Anyone kowns how to telnet or ssh to n810? Thanks06:15
KotCzarnyfor ssh you have to install openssh server06:15
Naviinstall ssh.06:16
amen2how to install? is there any ssh maemo pkg ?06:16
GeneralAntillesIt's in Extras.06:17
amen2Oh, nice06:18
GeneralAntillesDon't worry if it appears to be stalled during the install06:18
GeneralAntillesIt's just generating keys.06:18
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legindis there any way to get the webcam/mic working with flash in OS2008?06:59
KotCzarnywith flash?06:59
legindyes, so that flash can pick up on the video and audio stream07:00
legindfor sites such as, for instance, www.mebeam.com07:00
KotCzarnyah, i guess no07:00
GeneralAntillesTalk to Adobe.07:07
pupniki wish i could see current power drain on tablet07:10
KotCzarnypupnik: calculate!07:10
pupnikso i can brag to x86 laptop users07:10
pupnikit ought to be exposed through /proc imo.  on my thinkpad i can see it07:11
pupniki think thru acpi07:11
KotCzarnyno acpi on omap07:11
pupnikok.  well they suxxor for not showing me current power drain :)07:11
KotCzarnyunless they do, but not document it anywhere07:12
KotCzarnybtw. do you remember my kcbatt draws?07:13
pupniki remember you had a kcbatt app07:13
KotCzarnyit looks like temp. sensors report inversed values07:14
KotCzarnyie. colder == higher value07:14
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Italodanceusb otg what is it?07:38
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Tama^2google for "usb on the go"07:42
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wom-hmm.. i am using 'top' in device and looking at %MEM field. as i understand it shoudl be percent of physical memory consumed by process. but if i sum up all the percentages i get way more than 100%. am i missing something here09:27
wom-ok :)09:27
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Italodanceummm someone installed shadow warrior?09:33
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Italodanceit it not full screen on my n800 os2008?09:33
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konttori_workwom- maybe it's calculating shared libraries in some weird manner (I really don't know, just guessing)09:34
wom-konttori_work: could be.. just wanted to see how much my stuff consumes memory. top must be some stripped version in armel because i can't change modes and fields it displays09:36
KotCzarnywom: it's busybox's applet09:36
KotCzarnyyou can compile real top and copy it to nokia09:36
wom-KotCzarny: yep, i have to do that09:36
jkubut it won't give any "better" memory figures...09:37
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KotCzarnycat /proc/meminfo09:37
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KotCzarnyanyone played with gnuplot?09:38
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* pupnik daydreams persistently about fm OPL2 synthesis on TI DSP09:58
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unique311off topic.....10:02
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kulvepupnik: it's not that hard to make something for the dsp10:05
kulveit starts to be hard when you want something to work efficiently there..10:05
Italodanceok it is playing10:08
Italodancebut how i can quit???10:08
pupnikkulve: it takes around 12-15% cpu time of omap2420 core in my tests10:08
pupnikthis i think puts it roughly in the 'do-able' category10:08
JaffaMorning, all10:09
konttori_workMorning Jaffa!10:09
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LoCusFis there any port of the 'clear' command for osso-xterm :) ?10:17
AStormyup, it's morning ;)10:17
AStormyeah , coreutils10:17
AStormbut not easy to install10:17
AStormmajor change to the system10:18
AStormsomeone could build a nonn-conflicting correutils package10:18
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AStormblah, have to reduce autorepeat10:19
LoCusFGeneralAntilles: already dl'ed the newest version10:19
LoCusFits in ncurses-bin on ubuntu O_o10:20
GeneralAntillesIt at least has a menu option for it.10:21
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konttori_workCool that someone is making the latest xterm packages available.10:21
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KotCzarnyxterm, pf.10:21
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konttori_workJust make sure you also install the latest vte as well if you use that.10:22
konttori_workI wonder if that page also contains the latest vte (it should, as latest xterm depends on it)10:22
LoCusFalready did that :)10:22
LoCusFgood question10:22
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LoCusFif I'd just get my finger keyboard activated10:24
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LoCusFhow much pressure should I apply to the screen to get it? It says that a finger tap is sufficient10:25
AStormit's weird, I don't knpw how to activate it reliably10:27
GeneralAntillesCenter d-pad10:29
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AStormheh, just hold your finger10:30
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GeneralAntillesFinger activation is stupid10:30
GeneralAntillesIt's never been reliable10:30
GeneralAntillesd-pad is 100%10:30
LoCusFon n810 :)10:31
AStormno, activation of finger keyboard10:31
AStormbut then, it's pointless on N81010:31
AStormfinger keys are worse than hw ones10:31
AStormno feedback10:31
LoCusFhmm, maybe it has some overwhelming advantages over finger keys10:32
LoCusFI just hate to open it up to press Alt+210:32
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GeneralAntillesI much prefer the touchscreen over the compromises of a slider.10:33
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AStormuse escape or xchat10:34
LoCusFAStorm: I do use escape :)10:34
AStormesc 2 = meta-2 = alt-210:34
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LoCusFyeah yeah10:34
LoCusFbut I still need to open up the kb for Fn+210:34
LoCusFnope, w10:34
AStormuse xchat10:35
AStormthere is a beta for chinook10:35
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AStormsomewhere on the net10:35
LoCusFI want to use osso-xterm with irssi on remote server :)10:35
AStormblah then10:35
LoCusFbecause irssi rules them all :)10:35
AStormwhat for?10:35
kulveit sure does10:35
AStormit sure sucks more than weechat10:36
LoCusFmatters of taste can't be argued over :)10:36
AStormand on maemo, xchat is the king10:36
LoCusFirssi is nice, fast and simple10:36
liridoes anyone know if there's any compatibility with maemo-mapper and RoadMap?10:36
AStorm(haven't tried rtcom beta irc support yet)10:36
wom-AStorm: I have.. it works with prvmsg10:37
GeneralAntillesrtcomm and Pidgin are garbage for anything beyond VERY light IRC use.10:37
wom-you see privmsgs as normal chat invitations. like gtalk10:37
wom-i don't know how to join channels etc. with rtcomm irc10:37
wom-maybe it is not even possible10:37
LoCusFit is10:37
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LoCusFyou gotta open up the 'Chat' application10:38
LoCusFand from menu, select "Join chatroom"10:38
liriyeah, or you could add favorite chatrooms as buddies in the left panel like they were persons in icq/aol/aim/etc10:39
AStormah wait, yup10:39
LoCusFliri is right :)10:39
wom-only thing is that when you leave your device 'hanging' on irc for night.. in the morning battery is empty10:39
wom-ping pongs etc..10:40
liriI've been using pidgin for a long time now, I really like it10:40
LoCusFpidgin rocks if I don't have anything else at hand and want to click links10:40
Italodanceguys guys10:40
liridoes anyone have an n810 nearby?10:40
wom-liri: here10:40
AStormi have in my hands10:40
liriahh good10:40
Italodancetell me Advanced Backlight Statusbar Applet  can do more backlight and volume for tablet?10:40
AStormmore backlight10:41
LoCusFbut no more volume10:41
AStormsame volume10:41
Italodanceok tnx :D10:41
liriwom- /  LoCusF: I want to check compatibility with the maps website because it's the only source I can relay of on maps for my country. could someone give a quick try?10:41
LoCusFgtg now but later10:42
wom-sorry i am at work also, maybe evening10:42
LoCusFI'm in Finland, does that matter?10:42
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liriit shouldn't10:42
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ItalodanceLoCusF oh10:43
liriI just want to see if the website is compatible with maemo-mapper or some other mapping program available in n81010:43
Italodanceare u from nokia staff?10:43
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AStorm_testfunny this chat client :)10:44
GeneralAntillesXchat is the way to go for GUI and irssi for console.10:45
AStorm_testno nick completion...10:45
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AStorm_testcould've been nice10:46
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pupnikxchat could use some polishing still10:46
AStorm_testw/o nickcomp it's kind of pointless10:46
AStorm_testpupnik, yeah10:46
AStorm_testscrolling for one10:47
AStorm_test(instead of selection)10:47
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AStormbye for now10:47
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pupnikblah i need an anti-shake filter for mencoder :/10:48
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pupnikright now the only free solution is avidub and a plugin under winders10:48
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pupnik hmm 'kino' claims to have a jerkiness filter10:58
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Jaffapupnik: easier to use a tripod when recording it? ;-)11:17
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thuxhow much uptime you get with os2008?11:19
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thux mine now up 22:51,11:23
Italodancewho has nokia internet tablet here?11:24
inzI would guess: "most"11:24
tank-manwhat about it?11:24
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BTobotraswho hasn't?11:25
hrweurodance: nokia tablets on #maemo? no one11:25
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BTobotrasIs there any difference in gps usage between os2007 and 2008?11:39
BTobotrasFrom API POV11:39
jkuBTobotras, liblocation is new, IIRC11:39
BTobotrasjku: thanks11:39
jkubut you can still do it like you did in os2007, I think11:40
BTobotrasjku: I didn't :) Going to learn yet.11:42
jkuliblocation is easiest (but 2008 only), compare the connectivity HOW-TOs for maemo 3 and 411:45
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jku"if a full word processor like Abiword can work, [] is not much of a stretch" -- hah!11:49
jkuI'd like to see that11:49
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BTobotrasAnybody with n810 or BT GPS could test my gps test? :)11:58
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jkuBTobotras, if it's simple, sure12:08
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BTobotrasjku: it should just print coords on every change,
BTobotrasjku: or I may give you a source12:10
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jkuBTobotras, it doesn't try to start the gps by itself12:15
jkustarted it by hand, I'll let you know if/when I have a fix12:16
BTobotrasjku: I see.12:17
jkuyep, works fine12:17
BTobotrasjku: many thanks12:20
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BTobotrasjku: how does it print location? As a floating point signed degrees?12:22
jkuBTobotras, Latitude: 60.20 Longitude: 24.88 Altitude: 40.50 (on three rows)12:23
jkuI assume they're signed :)12:24
BTobotrasjku: okay :-)12:24
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jkuThat was with an external GPS btw, but IME the internal works just the same when it decides to work at all12:25
b0unc3`good morning12:27
BTobotrasjku: that makes north of Munkkiniemi?12:28
kulveyou can give the coordinates directly to :)12:29
Juhazthat's pretty lousy resolution, though, if 2 decimals is hardcoded. around kilometer.12:30
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BTobotrasJuhaz: but they aren't12:30
kulvenot to point at anybody's home or anything..12:30
jkuwhoa, that's not correct!12:31
jkuah, it's close enough with that numerical precision12:31
jkuBTobotras, you're not cutting the decimals?12:33
BTobotrasjku: I do, to two decimal digits.12:33
jkuok, then everything's fine12:33
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jkuand my geo-privacy is preserved12:35
jku(like I hadn't used my home address in all geoclue examples...)12:35
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Italodancewhich video quality is the best for n800   512?12:56
LoCusFliri: do you still need testing?12:57
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liriLoCusF: yeah12:58
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liriLoCusF: ofcourse :)12:58
LoCusFliri: it processed something but failed with 42 maps12:59
liriLoCusF: umm what does it mean?12:59
LoCusFliri: that it doesn't seem to be working12:59
kulveItalodance: there's bitrate, there's resolution, there's fps. All affect to video quality13:00
* BTobotras tries to pair n800 with BT GPS to no avail. If only password is wrong...13:00
amengHi, I want to use sbrsh for cup-transparent in scratchbox, but it return mounting faild . I ssh to n810 and13:00
Italodancekulve tell me ur best test13:01
amengrun the mount -t nfs ... command ,it also failed ,13:01
kulvethis is what I use: mencoder -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:autoaspect -vf scale=640:240 in.mpg -o out.avi13:01
liriLoCusF: can you check if you can install RoadMap? that seems to be copmliant13:01
jumpulaameng: you have nfs server configured and running properly in your host (outside sb)?13:02
LoCusFliri: just tell me the url and I'll take a look :)13:02
liriLoCusF: there's and you can check out also13:02
amengjumpula:yes , I can mount nfs from another pc13:02
LoCusFliri: well I though that it was maemo mapper repo, I currently don't have that much memory left for any additional installs :/13:03
jumpulacan you mount those particular paths sbrsh is trying to mount?13:03
LoCusFliri: but if I ever need to use it, then I will try :)13:04
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LoCusFItalodance: do you think that every finn here is a nokia dev :) ?13:04
jumpulaameng: and if you can provide the error message, the less guessing i have to do :)13:05
BTobotrasdo a bluetooth pairing, press "OK" and nothing happens, not even an errorr...13:06
amengjumpula, [sbox-n810: ~/n810] > fbset-2.1/fbset13:06
amengsbrsh server: mount: mounting on /var/sbrshd/fm@ failed13:06
jumpulayeah, but when running the mount on the device?13:06
jumpulaby hand13:06
jumpulaand you can use debug option with sbrshd to get more detailed information13:07
amengNokia-N810-42-19:~#  mount -t nfs /mnt/pc/13:07
amengmount: mounting on /mnt/pc/ failed13:07
amengI wonder if my n810 suports nfs?13:08
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kulveit does, if you install and load nfs modules13:11
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amengkulve: you mean I need to install nfs modules manually?13:12
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lardmanmorning all13:14
b0unc3`ameng: you can use wizard-mounter too13:15
amengb0unc3:how to do this?13:15
kulveameng: yep. There's .deb package for them and you need load them by hand13:15
kulveameng: I've compiled a kernel of my own with built-in nfs support..13:16
amengok , thanks all of your help13:18
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jones-Hello. Is there a port of libboost to maemo 4?13:28
hrwport or recompiled packages?13:32
hrwameng: mine n810 supports13:32
jones-hrw: whatever. I need it and can't find in the official repositories.13:33
hrwjones-: official repositories lack many things13:33
hrwhi lardman13:33
hrwbtw - are there python-hildon bindings?13:34
jones-hrw: so you say I should just compile that?13:34
jones-hrw: yes, there are: check pymaemo13:34
hrwjones-: looks like you need13:34
jones-hrw: ok thanks.13:35
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icepolarpolarhi hi13:36
amengHow do you set up your source.list13:36
amengfor apt13:36
hrwjones-: I probably can build boost for chinook but no warranty that it will work for you13:36
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kulvejones-: hi there13:37
jones-hi kulve13:37
jones-hrw: thanks, but no need to waste your time, I can try and do myself :)13:38
* BTobotras can't pair with bt gps :(13:40
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lardmanhey hrw, sorry for my tardy reply14:04
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hrwlardman|meeting: ?14:05
hrwlardman|meeting: no problem14:10
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Firebird8how do i get the n810 to mount the removeable instead of internal over usb on my computer15:10
kulveit offers both of them to the computer15:13
kulveit's up to the computer what to mount15:13
Firebird8i only see one in dev15:14
kulvemaybe you are using the external card in a way that the n810 couldn't unmount it and offer it to your pc15:15
kulvee.g. you have cd'ed to /media/mmc115:15
BTobotrasNow the keyboard language switch has been broken. Touch day...15:16
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KypeliAnyone aware of the fact that application browsing doesn't work in Anyone wants to do something about it?15:19
BTobotrasWhat did I broke if language can be changed via "Edit" menu, but not with language button? :(15:21
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morbechello everyone !! I would like to know if there is some away to do an upgrade on Vim in a scratchbox15:39
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WorkingOnWisewhere can I find a howto for enabling other file systems, specificlly reiserfs (on boot ), ntfs (read only is fine) isofs and udf? I have found the modules, but need some hand holding as to how to unstall them, especially the reiserfs.16:24
WorkingOnWiseon an N800 with OS 200816:24
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buddyleeif you have the .ko files,  you should be able to insmod them16:26
WorkingOnWiseis insmod a one time operation? I mean, once I insmod them, will I have to do it again when I reboot?16:27
inzOne time, but you can add it to some init script16:27
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WorkingOnWiseso I can use regular desktop linux methots?16:29
inzPretty much16:29
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WorkingOnWisewhere should i put the modules i want ti insmod?16:40
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MrmacHDhi there16:42
MrmacHDdoes anybody know how to user NFC in nokia phones that have such functionality?16:42
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jottWorkingOnWise: usually you should put them in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/..../16:42
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jottWorkingOnWise: you might want to fetch to build a modules.dep so you can use modprobe16:45
WorkingOnWisejott: thanks.16:46
Veggenhmmf. my ISO_Level5_Shift doesn't work like I think it should...16:46
WorkingOnWiseI guess the normal user wouldnt need modprobe on an N800 huh? :)16:46
* jott still wonders why there is a modprobe but not a depmod on the device ;)16:46
jottwell there is a modprobe but without modules.dep it's not very usable ;)16:47
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jottVeggen: "WORKSFORME" - bug closed :> ..what's the problem?16:48
WorkingOnWisewhar version of the kernel does OS 2008 use? the modules I have are for
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jottWorkingOnWise: uname -r => 2.6.21-omap116:49
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WorkingOnWiseis there a way to get a real-ish sudo function on OS2008? Like I have on my Ubuntu laptop?16:51
Veggenjott: seems chr character doesn't work as level5 shift for alphanumeric chars.16:51
jottWorkingOnWise: its "normal" sudo - just with different settings (see /etc/sudoers)16:52
jottVeggen: example?16:52
WorkingOnWiseI forgot to exit becomeroot. not cool.... fortunately I only ran uname -a16:52
WorkingOnWiseso is it a bad idea for me to make sudo behave like it toes in Ubuntu?16:53
Veggenjott: and the order seems reversed, as compared to your examples yesterday.16:53
||cwWorkingOnWise: yes, just add a line like what ubuntu has16:54
jottWorkingOnWise: well some system scripts depend on sudo without password confirmation16:54
||cwWorkingOnWise: sudo is sudo, ubuntu hasone config, maemo another16:54
WorkingOnWiseand then I can avoid all thei becomeroot stuff?16:54
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jottVeggen: works fine here.. don't know what you do different :/16:55
Veggenkey <AC10>  { type="EIGHT_LEVEL",    [       odiaresis,     Odiaresis,     equal,          equal,          oslash,         Oslash, equal,          equal         ]       };16:55
Veggenthe key gives an oslash, chr+key likewise.16:55
jotti already wrote - it seems field 7,8 have to match 1,216:55
jottkey <AC10>  { type="EIGHT_LEVEL",    [       odiaresis,     Odiaresis,     equal,          equal,          oslash, Oslash, odiaresis,     Odiaresis ] };16:56
jottdon't traced exactly why :p16:56
Veggenuh? hm, I missed that. lemme try.16:56
Veggenhm. didn't seem to help.16:57
jotti tried the exact same line and it worked :p16:58
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jotti.e. öÖ==øØ ..16:59
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jottmaybe you have a syntax error in the file and it's not loaded correct17:03
Veggenmmm, any way to verify it?17:06
jottsetxkbmap -v -symbols "nokia_vndr/rx-44(de)"17:06
jottshould reload it and print warnings/errors17:06
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jott(just change (de) if you do not have a german layout :)17:07
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Veggenjott: was an error, fixed, but it didn't seem to help :)17:12
jottmaybe another error :)17:12
jott(like semantic not syntax :)17:12
Veggenmm, could be. I'm  no xkb guru.17:13
WorkingOnWiseIf I want to clone my N800 and bot from a reisrfs formated sd card, I install the reiserfs modules, format my sd card with reiserfs on my laptop, put it in the N800, boot the N800 and make sure i can read/write the card. If all is well, proceed with the clone process on am I missing something? Nothing like bricking a new work tool the 3rd dy u got it huh! lol...I'd like to avoid the brick part...  :O17:14
jottWorkingOnWise: you have to modify initfs to boot from reiserfs17:14
kulveWorkingOnWise: it's hard to brick it for good17:15
WorkingOnWiseboy am I glad I aske!17:15
jottwhy not just use ext3? :) better rescue tools anyway ;)17:15
WorkingOnWisethats good to know!17:15
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kulveI recommend ext3 and
jottVeggen: maybe pastebin your rx-44 file..17:15
WorkingOnWisewell, reiserfs is faster for small reads, which is the bulk of what the N800 would be doing. as for recovery, I fully intend on having 2 cloned sd cards with me so recovery is about 2 minutes...17:17
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WorkingOnWiseis my understanding right on reiserfs vs ext3?17:18
WorkingOnWisealmost everything I know on this subject is second hand, stuff I have read..17:18
jottwell i wonder if there are any real benchmarks for ext3/reiserfs/xfs on flash media17:19
wndand then there are those "how often do you need to run fsck (as in rescue tool) anyway" and "what is there to rescue to begin with" -factors17:19
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wndWorkingOnWise, my experience is that reiserfs (i.e. reiserfs 3.5) is faster and more efficient (as in disk space) with small files but that comes with higher cpu usage17:22
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jottwnd: compared to xfs, jfs and ext3 on embedded systems with flash media? :)17:24
wndyou wish17:24
jottwould be really an interesting benchmark :)17:24
wndshouldn't be a problem to pull that out17:25
Veggenits the fisenoda layout17:25
jottwnd: sure.. takes just some time...  just do it! :)17:25
wndwell, why not17:26
wndI need to recompile the kernel anyway17:27
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wndthe last time I obviously forgot something. ipv6 works just fine, but the built-in flash is unaccessable. :-)17:28
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Italodancei need mplayer 25 files can someone send me now?17:28
cyberholichey italo... cant you still download stuff?17:29
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jottVeggen: the öÖ works fine with your layout :/17:31
Veggenhmf. how?17:31
jottjust loaded your file :/17:31
jottstrange things17:31
Veggenwith chr+<keytorightofm> ?17:32
jottgives me this ø17:32
jottand chr+shift gives me Ø17:32
Veggenand keytorightofm gives ?17:33
jottand fn =17:34
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jottjust as defined :o17:34
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jottmaybe you should try to reboot and see if it helps17:35
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cyberholicIs someone of you sitting or working together with Kenne?17:36
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Jaffaqgil's post on Ari's talk made LWN17:45
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Veggenjott: didn't help at all. and for me, things get reversed. i get an ø with the bare key.17:50
jottreally strange17:50
jottwell if it is for all keys it should be fine :)17:51
Veggennope. the bkspc and enter lines you gave me worked like yours..17:52
jottmaybe try to pinpoint it and open a bug?17:53
Veggenbut, hmm. i switched keyboard layout to german, then loaded fisenoda.17:54
Veggenand now it works.17:54
jottoh :O17:54
WorkingOnWisejott mentioned benchmarks, so I decide I would google again before I committed to a file system for my N800. I only want to do this once. I found this, which is the best overall, best thought out and explained benchmark I have seen. Based on this, it looks like ext3 is indeed the best choice. It isn't based on flash media, but it does show that reiser is not as great as I thought17:54
Veggenthere's something strange.17:54
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Veggenjott: if you switch to scandinavian then load my fisenoda, do you get same result?17:56
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jottVeggen: hmm? you mean the original fisenoda layout?18:01
Veggenwell, yes. then load my fisenoda18:02
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VeggenI also mean switching in control panel. mazbe it does something else too besides loading another szmbol table.18:05
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jottcan't really reproduce you behaviour :(18:08
Veggennot if choosing finnish, swedish, ... and then loading mz fisenoda?18:09
jotthmm ok now i seem to always have this oslash thing ..18:10
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Veggeni must have done something weird.18:12
jottspeaking of ari's talk..  again we miss the source of the damn language/textinput config tool i suppose :/18:13
Sho_Hm, YouTube has started showing a "Watch this video in higher quality" link below some videos, which serves up a H.264 version. The link doesn't show in the ITOS browser since the Flash 9 version predates H.264 support. I wonder how that'll perform when the plugin is updated ... the HQ H.264 version might end up playing faster than the current LQ crap :)18:14
NaviIt'll suck18:14
Veggennuts. I need diff.18:15
NaviI still haven't listened to Ari's talk :(18:15
jottVeggen: sorry no idea what messes around there :(18:15
jottit seems the text input thingy does some other things when selecting fisenoda there :/18:16
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jottVeggen: an ugly workaround would be to use a different layout with your settings :(18:21
jottand open a bug i suppose18:22
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Veggenhmm. well. I've gone a few steps back. perhaps I did something weird in my file. can't say what, though.18:24
jottVeggen: i suspect the proprietary nokia crap is fault ;p18:26
jottjust copy your finesoda mapping to the de mappings and use a "German" layout ;)18:26
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Veggenjott: seems I'll have to.18:35
Veggen(I was on german setting when I got it all to work..)18:35
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cyberholicHey people, anyone knows if i can use the maemo logo for a game that i am going to develop?19:03
cyberholicjott: thnx. It's realy crazy how you are foreced to use the correct phrase positions..... what if someone like me is not perfect in english? :(19:06
jottconsult a lawyer in your jurisdiction :P19:07
cyberholicLawyer? Well..... THAT sounds like open source!19:07
jottit's nokia not open source ;)19:07
jottwell serious, it's a trademark and has usage restrictions19:07
jottso the actual answer is "depends" ;-)19:08
KotCzarnylinux is trademarked too19:08
cyberholicMy mum is a trademark too!19:08
cyberholicoh sorry... no.. i mean LANDMARK.19:08
cyberholicMy mum is a landmark too!19:09
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cyberholicAm i allowed to put something like "Specially designed for the NOKIA n800/n810 edition" in an intro?  This is really weird if not :(19:10
KotCzarny'compatible with'?19:10
cyberholic'assimilated by NOKIA' ?19:10
jottan put some ™ all over the place :)19:11
cyberholicDoes NOKIA is the abbreviation for KNOCK YA OFF!?19:11
KotCzarnyit's finnish19:11
cyberholicno... if you use the logo in a wrong way then YOU ARE FINISHED!19:12
cyberholicDoes finish come from "because it is a land at the finishing border of a continent?"19:12
jkucyberholic you are allowed, that's what fair use is about19:12
jottjku: using a logo is not "fair use" under all conditions19:13
cyberholicjku: i know... just kidding and getting a bit sarcastic. I luv NOKIA. but i luv maemo more then i do luv NOKIA.19:13
jkuyeah I was answering to last question19:13
jottso writing "NOKIA is the abbreviation for KNOCK YA OFF" should be fine? *scnr*19:13
jkuif it's the truth :)19:14
jaskaits named after a finnish town19:14
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cyberholicA town is never finish (see Anno 1805)19:14
cyberholicor Sim CITY 200019:15
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inzcyberholic, sure a town can be finish, just make it shaped like a fin19:15
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cyberholicIt looks like i am a bit tooo sarcastic since i developed the HAL9000 Mojo19:16
jkuwhoa, the guidelines actually say this: "Do not use maemo logos or names in any commercial or marketing context unless you have explicit written permission"19:16
KotCzarnywood-pulp mill19:17
cyberholicjku: yeah and there is a mail to write to.19:17
lcuk_2jku, why would you be expected to use somebody elses trademarked/copyrighted designs?19:17
KotCzarnyto make it look professional19:18
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jaskaultra total pro plus19:18
jkulcuk_2,  fair use still applies19:18
jkunames can be used19:18
cyberholicjku: as long as you write them in the correct phrase (see guidelines)19:18
jkuthey can't really stop anyone using "maemo" in a sentence (if that sentence is not false)19:18
jottjku: actually this depends on your jurisdiction :)19:18
KotCzarnyjku: can files from the rootfs be used in a program?19:19
lcuk_2fair use applies if you are not MARKETING or using COMMERCIALLY their property19:19
KotCzarnyi believe there's nokia logo between them19:19
jott"fair use" is more an american term ;)19:19
lcuk_2which is exactly what they say19:19
lcuk_2"i love my nokia"   <  i am not selling anything19:19
jkujott, sure is, but the principle is used everywhere19:19
lcuk_2buy my "Nokia Maemo Super Program v1.0"  is wrong19:19
jottjku: chinese "fair use" is different ;P19:20
KotCzarnybut you could use "Maemo Super Program v1.0 for nokia n8x0"19:20
cyberholicjott: you should get a grammy for that!19:20
lcuk_2describing the target != the name of your product19:20
jkuKotCzarny, no, you can't19:20
lcuk_2"Mysuperprogram v1.0" (for Nokia Internet Tablets)19:21
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KotCzarnyjku: which one? logo or 'for' clause?19:21
cyberholicHey guys: do you remember the good old Starfield Screensaver from win 3.1.1?19:21
lcuk_2yes cyber - and it would be absolute bollocks in flash but great in native19:21
lcuk_2ive already wrote one ;)19:22
cyberholicI just developed a Mojo showing the starfield animation but it works only with 20 stars, more will recudece the performance to zero19:22
jkuthe programs that currently have Maemo in their names have special permissions (took the names before guidelines were in use)19:22
cyberholiclcuk: AWESOME!19:22
lcuk_2mine has 100019:22
lcuk_2it is actually :)19:22
lcuk_2pah, get away no1 has had anything yet and the first to see something will be pupnik in about n weeks19:23
cyberholici mean "I want to Download the Maemo super programm called "starfield" by lcuk for Nokia n800" now!19:23
lcuk_2(since he was nice and found me a baseline empty sdl project :) )19:23
cyberholicok.... then i'll wait.19:23
lcuk_2when i get enough together19:23
lcuk_2i had to write a pset routine and a starfield was the best thing to test it with - especially since my screen is mainly b&w19:24
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lcuk_2anyway i think its time to pack up and go home (sneaking on at work) ill b back later on19:24
cyberholicba bay19:25
cyberholiclcuk: i am writing a "laser show" at the moment... wanna see it?19:25
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KotCzarnywhy don't you just port xscreensaver package19:26
cyberholiccause i can`t code for *nix....19:26
cyberholici do not have the written permission ;)19:27
KotCzarnybut you can use routines19:27
KotCzarnyits gpl dummy19:27
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cyberholici was just kidding mate ;)19:27
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cyberholicKot: wanna see it in action?... i mean the laser show?19:28
KotCzarnyi'm still sleeping19:29
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CrashandDieI wanted a keyboard on the n810 again22:18
CrashandDie(real one)22:19
Cptnodegardbuy one22:19
CrashandDienha, wanted to mod one22:19
Cptnodegardthere are perfectly good ones available to buy22:19
CrashandDieSo I started prepping a usb cable (female)22:19
CrashandDiethen I went to get a keyboard22:20
CrashandDieand that's when I noticed22:20
CrashandDieI don't have any usb keyboards left :(22:20
Cptnodegardbuy an adapter22:20
CrashandDieyeah, like I'm going to do that :/22:21
CrashandDieBuy a $30 PS2-KB to USB adaptor, or buy a $50 BT BT :D22:21
Cptnodegardjust buy an igo like everyone else :922:21
CrashandDieyeah, that's what I'll end up doing prolly22:22
Navior buy  a 15 dollar USB keyboard and not have to mess with a PS2-to-USB22:22
Cptnodegardi dont know what planet youre from but here on earth adapters dont cost that much22:22
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Cptnodegard is good, its much smaller than normal keyboards22:22
AStormheh, check out the frogpad22:23
AStormif you're into reduced keyboards22:23
CrashandDieNavi, yeah, that too :)22:25
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CrashandDieCptnodegard, yeah, that's not going to cut it22:28
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BabelOsorry its me again, can anyone int be to a howto activate serial / other bt services on n800, i did not see any service on n800 from a remote device22:39
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wasabii don't suppose anybody might know where one could buy a nand memory controller... perhaps pci express. It needs to be able to be used by MTD.22:44
wasabiAnd I'm looking for something consumerish, that can be put into a regular desktop.22:44
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wasabiAnd doesn't require me to solder stuff. =)22:44
KotCzarnysd reader?22:44
wasabiThat's why I said MTD.22:45
KotCzarnyi believe you can throw in some mtd emulation22:45
wasabiI don't want emulation.22:45
jaskaitll still end up doing wear leveling etc on the card22:45
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