IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-03-19

KotCzarnyand it's faster than fx300:00
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sp3000it dies before you even thought of closing it? :)00:04
KotCzarnylet's hope it's standards compliant00:05
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jottwell current webkit trunk gets 93/100 in acid3 test00:05
GeneralAntillesThe test changed, evidently.00:06
jottstill a good result00:06
AStormsafari is improved khtml00:07
KotCzarnyfx3b4 scores 67/100 ?00:07
AStormit is mostly compliant and improving00:07
jottwebkit is forked khtml :)00:07
AStormKotCzarny, microb gets 5400:07
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KotCzarnyespecially ie8 ;)00:09
jotthey, they had to tweak for acid2 first :)00:09
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jottin five years they will realize that acid3 was the measurement for the latest browsers back then :)00:11
Veggenany xkb gurus here? where would it be specified that shift is sticky and ctrl is not?00:11
AStormie 5.5 had some code from ie for mac team00:11
AStormthat one was more standard compliant00:12
Veggen<--want a sticky ctrl.00:12
AStormVeggen, use glue? ;)00:12
Veggenbah :)00:12
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AStormis there  way to make led kbd backlight on all the time?00:13
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jottAStorm: use glue? ;)00:13
KotCzarnyastorm: /sys tweaking?00:13
GeneralAntillesDunno. :P00:14
KotCzarnyfind /sys -name *led*00:14
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AStormthere are some cover leds00:16
AStormand keyboard leds00:16
AStormi'd like to have backlight on on power when keyboard is opened00:17
AStorms/on power/on chargeer/00:17
infobotAStorm meant: i'd like to have backlight on on chargeer when keyboard is opened00:17
AStormwho is the infobot?00:18
KotCzarnymake youserlf a shortcut00:18
GeneralAntillesA bot00:18
AStormbattery state is exported to dbus00:18
AStormand backlight *maybe* if it's dark only (not required)00:19
AStormGeneralAntilles, mind reading?00:19
KotCzarnyno, /on public s/*00:19
AStormah, it expanded my sed :P00:20
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GeneralAntillesDuh :P00:20
AStormi'll have to do the kbd layouts00:21
AStormthen check dbus00:21
AStormthen try to add here a feal shell00:21
AStormand boot from 2 G,flash00:22
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AStormbtw, rss feed reader rejects feeds from racjonalista.pl00:23
AStormclaws-mail on my box and firefox accept them00:23
AStormmicrob displays it too00:23
AStormbut rss reader fails00:24
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AStormhmmm, pdf-reader doesn't want to uninstall for some reason00:29
AStormahha, had to close microb00:30
AStormevince is just much faster and better00:31
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RaytrayHow would I use irssi on the n800? I can ssh onto the other box, screen in, but don't know how to switch windows without typing it in. -- And the screen cuts in half for some odd reason.00:35
AStormescape then numbeer00:36
AStormscreen cuts i've never seen00:37
Raytraythanks, that's half way there. hehe00:37
AStormzou can use xchat instead too00:38
RaytrayIt cuts it in half vertically and makes the right side white.00:38
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cyberholicGood evening every one!00:38
AStormare you running inside screen?00:38
Jaffasp3000: darius has gone even more bonkers than when he suggested ITT was a Microsoft conspiracy00:39
LateralusWhere is the name of your device stored?00:39
AStormyou've probably split it00:39
sp3000I must have somehonw missed that episode00:39
sp3000which is probably just as well00:39
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RaytrayIt usually happens 2-5 seconds after I screen in.00:40
AStormfsck, n810 screen is too light in total darkness00:40
AStormeven at the lowest setting00:40
cyberholicAStorm: get yourself the Black/Rec Clock Mojo at my webpage, that might help.00:40
GeneralAntillesDarius makes me laugh.00:40
GeneralAntillesI can't imagine how any of that could be anything but a stupid joke.00:41
AStormcyberholic, what does it do?00:41
cyberholicastorm: its very dark and when you touch it, it gets brighter in case you want to know the time :)00:41
AStormmight be too dark :P00:42
JaffaHe must be on medication. Perhaps the dosage need upping? And probably an increase in aluminium thickness in his tin foil hat.00:42
RaytrayOh, nevermind, I realized what splits it. looks fine on a larger screen though. :(00:42
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GeneralAntillesThe aluminum got through the blood brain barrier.00:42
GeneralAntillesBrain damage.00:42
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cyberholicTrivia Question with a surprise for those who know and love him: who was HAL9000 ?00:44
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AStormok, i installed adv-backlight - now where is it?00:45
cyberholicAStorm: check the bulb on top of your homescreen.00:45
cyberholicWait, not one of you knows HAL???00:45
AStormnot a bulb00:46
AStormand too many icons :P00:46
cyberholicsorry. no bulb... sun... there where you dim the backlight00:46
GeneralAntillesYou have to enable it in Panel00:46
GeneralAntillesControl panel00:46
GeneralAntillesDisable Nokia's volume and backlight applets while you're there.00:46
GeneralAntillesWhat about HAL9000?00:46
cyberholicGeneralAntilles: you know him? Would you love to have him on your n800?00:47
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GeneralAntillesNot particularly00:47
GeneralAntillesI'd rather not have my N800 disobey and try to kill me.00:47
cyberholicok *lol*00:47
AStormnow one icon less00:48
lcuk_2Arthur C Clarke dead :(00:48
AStormit suppports volume control too00:48
cyberholicGeneral: .... it even speaks to you *lol*00:48
JaffaDoes it sing Daisy Daisy when the screen blank timeout hits?00:49
cyberholic*looooooooool* .... no... not yet.00:50
AStormi recon 0 backlight works in very sunny conditions?00:50
* Jaffa beds00:51
GeneralAntillesYes, AStorm.00:51
lcuk_2what about in the dark with a pair of red leds?00:52
AStormmore battery savings, yay00:52
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lcuk_2can you get enough reflection out of it totally off and back into your eyes?00:52
AStormdoes it still obey the light sensor?00:52
lcuk_2i have a sticker over my sensor00:52
sp3000I for one welcome our new light sensor overlords00:53
AStormhehe, that blinds it, no more light in medium conditions00:53
lcuk_2well it works backwards and with about 10 second lag - its annoying as feck00:53
AStormin high light the backlight is disabled, so yes00:53
AStorm(at least on low level)00:54
AStormand it's still readable00:54
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lcuk_2plus i am left handed so my wrist usually covers it (i rest in that corner with stylus00:54
AStormi rest on bottom left one00:55
lcuk_2then to do anything my hand obscures the view - its not the best design for lefties00:55
AStormiti is good enough00:55
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AStormjust move tghe hand to he left some more00:56
lcuk_2i kinda keep it out of the way from above - web scrolling is only useful cos i can aim in the left border but anything requiring actual scroll bar is awful00:56
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AStormfor trhat,rest son bottom00:57
AStorm*on, that00:57
lcuk_2then it feels like i am dropping it00:57
lcuk_2balance and all that00:57
AStormnah, it rests on your hand00:58
AStormuse the stand as a handguard too00:58
lcuk_2i tried that, its the wrong shape entirely00:58
AStorm(a bit rough, but ok)00:58
lcuk_2anyway, for home use i went 1 better00:58
AStormit only needs some plush00:59
lcuk_2mobile and easy to grip or rest from any position
lcuk_2it now feels like i am holding a book :)01:00
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ds3has adv-backlight been updated with large controls for finger tapping?01:02
GeneralAntillesNo, they're stock GTK widgets.01:03
GeneralAntillesChange them yourself if it's really something you need. :P01:03
AStormquite bulky01:03
ds3sure, it'll go on the end of the todo list01:03
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AStormds3, they're still the default size01:05
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GeneralAntillesThey're plenty fingerable01:05
GeneralAntillesJust tap one end and slide to the end you want.01:06
lcuk_2but they are tiny01:06
NaviHaha, innuendo01:06
AStormbut tappable01:06
lcuk_2i have a fat finger and a whole screen available - for the love of anything why cant we have control elements which are visible from orbit?01:06
BabelOshort question, i ve a htc artemis and n800, i activate  serial service on n800, just setup the /etc/bluetooth, how can i connect n800 to artemis gps over bt ? :)01:06
BabelOi already have gps2blue01:07
GeneralAntilleslcuk_2, it's a GTK thing, not really an adv-backlight thing. :P01:07
AStormlcuk_2, well, why not01:07
lcuk_2of course its a adv-back thing, ive wrote a window with a grid of 9 buttons - it fills the screen and makes me happy01:08
lcuk_2because its easy to press01:08
AStormyeah, theme scaling01:08
lcuk_2i could have chosen to make the same thing with 9 default sized buttons01:08
lcuk_2but that would suck01:08
GeneralAntilleslcuk_2, if it bothers you so much, fix it. :P01:08
GeneralAntillesNot like it's closed source.01:08
lcuk_2i am using the stock one which is actually easier at the moment01:09
GeneralAntillesMeh, the code's there, the tools are there.01:09
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AStormya, just code01:10
lcuk_2but why have 2 different attempts01:10
GeneralAntillesSubmit a patch01:10
AStormthe better one will prevail01:10
Navimake it an option, submit a patch, and hope it gets merged?01:10
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GeneralAntillesIt's not like the author is hard to get ahold of or unreceptive.01:10
lcuk_2sounds reasonable navi :)01:11
pupnikMy loony bun is fine Benny Lava!01:11
* lcuk_2 knows this01:11
lcuk_2linky to source? ill have a blast at it and see if i can give us something finger friendly to go along with the current interface01:12
lcuk_2ta :)01:12
pupnik  indian music video with subtitles  totally offtopic.  sfw01:12
AStormwhee, more options!01:12
BabelOsecond question is easy, i ve maemo sdk tablet, but everything is grey, only networking / mass storage choice, and i can only switch from mass to network, is it normal ?01:12
lcuk_2why options?01:12
AStormpupnik, yuck ;P01:13
lcuk_2i wont be removing the current interface?01:13
AStormlcuk_2, I meant options as in options01:13
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AStormnot new packages01:13
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dougt_is anyone using gcc 4.2.1 in their scratchbox (not sb2)01:14
AStormi'd love to :)01:15
BabelOhmm ok back to kernel develop , it is more easier than gtk stuff01:17
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AStormno, you just don't get glib01:21
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BabelOAStorm: but it is C and ARM register with simple operation ;)01:22
RaytrayI suppose GeneralAntilles is getting sick of me, so I'll ask here. :D -- How would I get bash to be default shell?01:22
AStormBabelO, hehe01:22
NaviRaytray, there's a tutorial on how to do it on the ITT forums, I think01:23
Navilet me look01:23
AStormRaytray, just chsh01:23
AStormmight work01:23
AStormif nit, edit /etc/passwd by hand01:24
AStormfor new useers, check /etc/defaults01:24
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pupnikdid anyone ever figure out if the larger sdhc cards consume more power ?01:32
pupnikor is that irrelevant01:32
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AStorm"unable to uninstall tetex-base"01:34
AStormtime to use apt01:34
pupniktetex was a headache01:34
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AStormhow do i get rid of it? (installed it earlier)01:36
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AStormi'm not that good at debian yet01:37
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ds3it isn't just the size, it is the spacing of the buttons01:46
ds3but point is taken, if i want it that way I can change it01:47
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AStormi could use some lighter variant of canola01:54
AStormas the cpu struggles on ogg01:54
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AStormand something trayable01:54
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AStormyay, smooth jazz after midnight ;)01:55
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AStormogg@128kbps + gfx = stutter01:59
AStormI'll check if mplayer fares better02:01
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AStormnot much better02:05
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AStormmaybe something on gstreamer...02:07
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AStormheh, mediabox owns even canola02:25
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errordeveloperi was looking at the usb networking howto03:47
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errordeveloperi can't figure out where i'm supposed to get the module from ?03:47
KotCzarnycompile it yourself?03:47
KotCzarnybut maybe it's already on device03:47
KotCzarnywhat's the name?03:47
errordeveloperi have just installed nokia os08 firmware03:48
GeneralAntilleserrordeveloper, just use the statusbar applet.03:48
errordeveloperLinux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Fri Dec 7 11:17:13 EET 2007 armv6l unknown03:48
errordeveloperGeneralAntilles: right //03:48
NaviHi Tama^203:50
errordeveloperbut i couldn't see it in the app manager03:50
errordeveloperGeneralAntilles: could you tell me please, where to get the applet ?03:50
Tama^2the otg applet?03:51
errordeveloperi have just installed usbcontrol app, but03:51
errordeveloperthat seems to be something else03:51
GeneralAntillesNo, it's not.03:52
GeneralAntillesIt does host/client and usbnet.03:52
errordeveloperright ..03:52
errordeveloperrihgt ..there are three buttons03:53
errordeveloperOTG ; peripherals ; host03:53
GeneralAntillesThat's USB Control03:53
GeneralAntillesThe plugin is different.03:53
errordeveloperhm ..03:54
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errordeveloperso i need to install the usb-otg-plugin deb ?03:55
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GeneralAntillesIf you're interested in going that method, yes.03:57
errordeveloperGeneralAntilles: what's the other method ?03:57
errordeveloperin fact i need it to be gui03:58
GeneralAntillesThe rest are non-gui.03:58
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errordeveloperwell .. this thing doesn't actually work the way i expect04:03
GeneralAntillesWhat way is that?04:05
shackanYES! darius reloaded!04:07
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errordeveloperGeneralAntilles: it's like after i click on there and choose USB ethernet ..04:22
errordeveloperit looks like something crashes and the xsession restarts04:23
GeneralAntillesIt's a desktop crash04:23
GeneralAntillesHave you tried restarting?04:23
errordeveloperi did04:23
errordevelopersame again04:23
errordeveloperand i cannot see any modules in lsmod04:24
errordeveloperneither there is any new interface in ifconfig04:24
errordeveloperis there syslogd running on maemo ?04:25
errordeveloperwell .. i turned it of04:25
errordeveloperi 'll have a look tomorrow04:25
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rm_you_wheee, new laptop :)04:49
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ds3rm_you: you actually got an x86 box?!?!?!05:01
rm_youGeneralAntilles: maybe this will make up for my n800 being retarded >_>05:01
rm_youlol yes05:01
KotCzarnyretarded is a bad word..05:01
KotCzarnymore like disabled05:01
rm_you"physically challenged"05:01
GeneralAntillesYou shouldn't abuse the poor thing so much.05:02
Navidisabled is a bad word... more like KotCzarny05:02
KotCzarny^ troll05:02
ds3rm_you: what did you get?05:02
rm_youToshiba Portege M70005:02
rm_youit's a convertible05:02
ds3active or passive pen?05:02
* rm_you puts the top down and turns up the beats05:03
ds3both? how's that possible?05:03
rm_youask it, not me05:03
rm_youi can poke it with my figer, or hover the pen05:03
rm_youeither works05:03
rm_youmy old motion tablet was only the radio bits05:03
ds3is there a battery in the pen?05:03
KotCzarnymy x41t could be used only with pen05:03
* rm_you throws his LE1600 in a ditch05:04
rm_youOh, sorry... I think I misunderstood you. The pen is passive, I think... What I'm thinking of is called something else.05:04
rm_youThat the screen is both touch sensitive and uses a radio-bits pen05:04
ds3so no battery in there?05:05
ds3the AAAA in the old TC1000's were irritating05:05
ds3ratshack is the only local place that had them05:05
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rm_youwhat exactly is your definition of passive/active pen?05:09
KotCzarnyrm_you: what are you going to do with n800?05:11
NaviTrash it05:12
GeneralAntillesIt's garbage05:13
GeneralAntillesthrow it out.05:13
KotCzarnytrolls at their finest05:13
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rm_youif it doesnt fix itself with another flash, i'll have to buy another one >_>05:16
GeneralAntillesUnder warranty?05:16
rm_youdoubt it05:16
GeneralAntilles(I'm sure we've covered this)05:16
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GeneralAntillesNokia's is 1-year, right?05:16
rm_youi bought it last july...05:17
rm_youbut it was from a guy on ITT05:17
rm_youso, used05:17
rm_youmaybe I could poke quim about giving me a deal on a refurb or something :P05:18
GeneralAntillesNot his area. :P05:19
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rm_youNokia should really just GIVE me a new one...05:20
rm_youI'm practically a frickin salesman05:20
GeneralAntillesHow many? :P05:21
rm_youI've sold three of the things in the last month >_>05:21
KotCzarnyrm_you: start selling them yourself05:21
KotCzarnythat way you will profit05:21
KotCzarnyand you will be able to buy yourself one05:21
rm_youGeneralAntilles: woot :) you should get commission05:21
GeneralAntillesPeople tell me Apple should give me one, too.05:21
GeneralAntillesI don't know how many of those I've sold.05:22
NaviYeah :)05:22
* GeneralAntilles tends to sell things he likes.05:22
NaviCommission would be awesome :)05:22
GeneralAntillesI'm just pulling for a discount code for the N900.05:22
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* Navi shrugs :)05:23
NaviStart threating people to put your name on their releases05:23
GeneralAntillesI've already got one!05:23
NaviHeh, mmk :)05:24
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GeneralAntillesPushing that last mile to breach 300 on ITT.05:25
NaviBut yeah, you've pushed what, the majority of your clan to buy an N8X0? :)05:25
NaviPlus me :)05:26
Navi:) <- Fucking smileys05:26
GeneralAntilles6 . . . 4 rather05:26
GeneralAntillesSo no.05:26
* GeneralAntilles kidnaps Navi and forces him to apply.05:26
GeneralAntilles5 counting myself.05:27
NaviSix counting me05:27
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NaviYou should count yourself four times05:28
GeneralAntillesI am co-leader. :P05:28
NaviYou have like 770 x2 and 800 x205:28
GeneralAntillesNah, down one N800.05:28
GeneralAntillesThough it's still in the family.05:28
NaviI see05:28
GeneralAntillesGifted it to my sister for her birthday.05:28
Naviwoo \o/05:28
Naviaw, gp32x boards are dowm05:29
GeneralAntillesHe friends got her a goddamn Nano05:29
GeneralAntillesSo my secret plan to turn it into her primary mobile device failed.05:29
Navithe ugly fat current generation one?05:29
GeneralAntillesI'd have sold it if the N800 had video out. :\05:30
ds3the Nano/classic seems to be the only option for a video out mobile device05:32
GeneralAntillesN900 better have video out.05:32
doc|homeand the feature I've wanted for fucking ages05:33
doc|homea kitchen sink05:33
GeneralAntillesHells yeah.05:33
doc|homebig one, numerous taps05:33
doc|homefiltration system, the works05:33
ds3video out is handy for sharing digital pictures05:33
Navids3, the GP2X has video out :/05:33
GeneralAntillesWith a disposeall05:33
doc|homeGeneralAntilles: right!05:33
ds3Navi: the GPX2 is MMU less right?05:33
GeneralAntillesBetter be stainless, too.05:33
doc|homeof course05:33
doc|homealthough silver's good too05:33
doc|homepure silver, none of this silver coated crap05:33
GeneralAntillesMOEN or bust05:34
pupnikteflon coated05:34
doc|homenah, teflon = evil05:34
Navids3, there's a hack that a handful of proggies use to have mmu05:34
pupnikmakes a nice dress for a bullet don't you think?05:34
ds3I prefer my bullets silver coated but then I don't like werewolves ;)05:35
Naviam a fan of matte black :P05:35
pupnikhow directional are microwaves?05:35
GeneralAntilles'course, pupnik. :P05:35
GeneralAntillesDepends on their age, pupnik.05:35
pupnikcould you put a microwave oven device in front of a parabolic dish and kill people at range?05:35
GeneralAntillesBut "fairly"05:35
GeneralAntillesIt doesn't have the power.05:36
GeneralAntillesYou'd make them vomit05:36
GeneralAntillesor really nauseated05:36
GeneralAntillesbut it wouldn't kill them.05:36
GeneralAntillesTo kill them, you'd have to boil their insides.05:36
GeneralAntillesWhich requires a non-trivial amount of power.05:36
GeneralAntillesHow long would it take you to cook a 20lbs turkey in a microwave (assuming you had one that fit).05:36
GeneralAntillesBut mounting a microwave projector on the end of something would make for awesome crowd control.05:37
pupniksome guys in germany died from radar dish burns05:37
* Navi finds it odd that GeneralAntilles would know so much about this05:37
GeneralAntillesHehe, Navi.05:37
Navis/would know/knows/05:37
GeneralAntillesI worked in the strangest place for most of high school.05:37
doc|homeGeneralAntilles works for the CIA05:37
GeneralAntillesWe talked about some weird shit.05:37
GeneralAntillesFrequently with people who actually knew what they were talking about. <_<05:38
pupnikthe democratization of force is in the interest of humanity05:38
doc|homesee? CIA05:38
GeneralAntillesBookstore, doc. :P05:38
pupnikthe open source principle05:38
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GeneralAntillesAmen, pupnik.05:39
AStormhi again05:39
AStormwhere can i reinstall original mediaplayer back fvrom, aside of reflashing?05:40
h3sp4wnIs there a way I can stop my nokia 770 from powering down just temporary05:41
h3sp4wn(Its plugged in and I am messing with it over ssh)05:42
GeneralAntillesPowering down?05:43
h3sp4wnwell disconnecting my ssh session05:44
h3sp4wngoing into standby it is05:44
GeneralAntillesWifi idle time set?05:45
h3sp4wnIts set to unlimited05:46
GeneralAntillesIt shouldn't be disconnecting.05:46
h3sp4wnSo normally the screen would just blank but any connections stay open05:47
GeneralAntillesThat's correct05:48
GeneralAntillesWell, cover should kill wifi on OS2006 and earlier.05:48
h3sp4wnI will try it without the cover for a bit05:50
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GeneralAntillesI don't recall if it's a toggleable setting.05:50
* GeneralAntilles hasn't used OS2006 for almost a year now.05:51
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rm_youvideo out05:57
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KotCzarnypupnik: huh06:57
pupnikjust a chance for you06:58
KotCzarnyno subtitles06:59
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pupnikkeep it KotCzarny.  it's valuable07:06
KotCzarnyi don't even know what it is07:07
KotCzarnyor who it is07:07
pupnikvery old music07:07
pupnikthey're some farmers from Laos07:07
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KotCzarnyok, i will wget it07:08
GeneralAntillesI want somebody to find some sort of musical notation from the Greeks.07:10
WorkingOnWiseok. I knew I would eat the built in storage pretty fast....didnt think it would be 27 hours after I unboxed my N800! Is there any way to use the memory card I have installed under the rear cover as more storage for installing apps?07:11
WorkingOnWiseit's a 1GB SD07:12
tank-manyea, google "maemo boot mmc"07:12
KotCzarnyconsider booting from mmc07:12
GeneralAntilleser, no07:12
GeneralAntillesDon't do that07:12
GeneralAntilleslook for extending the rootfs to sd07:12
GeneralAntillesDual booting isn't a bad idea07:12
GeneralAntillesjust not really what you're looking for here07:12
WorkingOnWisewont that destroy the  cadr pretty fast with all the write cycles?07:13
GeneralAntillesI'd delete the 35MB of manuals and 20MB of media that it ships with first, though.07:13
GeneralAntillesWorkingOnWise, I don't know a single person who has destroyed a flash card using it.07:13
KotCzarnyworkingonwise: and how is the difference between builtin flash and external ?07:13
WorkingOnWiseway ahead of you there GeneralAntilles...lol07:13
WorkingOnWiseon removing the media and manuals....07:14
tank-mansdhc cards are pretty cheap07:14
GeneralAntillesTruthfully, even if you did manage to wear out a flash card07:14
WorkingOnWisewhat i know is only what I have read...never used a mc for any intensive writes to see it happen...07:14
KotCzarny1gb sd cards are more than cheap07:14
GeneralAntillesthey'll be so cheap to replace (with one several orders of magnitude larger than the one that failed) by the time you do that it's not really an issue.07:14
GeneralAntillesflash memory is much more durable than it used to be07:15
GeneralAntillesThey're very good at write balancing, anyway.07:15
GeneralAntillesMy recommendation is just to use the card as you want to use it.07:15
WorkingOnWisenot concerned about the cost, its wasting part of my system and having a fubar tablet...07:15
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KotCzarnyif you boot from sd card07:16
GeneralAntillesThe SD cards are replaceable.07:16
GeneralAntillesSo having them fail wont brick the device.07:16
KotCzarnyhow do you waste your system?07:16
KotCzarnythe idea is that you don't use drives that are not mounted07:16
WorkingOnWiseif most of my apps are on the sd card, and it dies from too many write cycles, most of my apps go with the card...07:16
KotCzarnyworkingonwise: you can backup on regular intervals (1 month? :)07:17
GeneralAntillesMeh, we're talking years down the road07:17
WorkingOnWisethey are THAT reliable nowadays?07:17
GeneralAntillesPretty much07:17
Italodancemy mplayer is playing very slow mp4 files why?07:18
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tank-mantoo slow pc?07:19
GeneralAntillesSomething's eating CPU07:19
rm_youon n800?07:19
GeneralAntillesMP4s are too heavy?07:19
rm_youwhat codec is it using?07:19
Italodanceyes on my n800 os200807:19
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WorkingOnWiseso, what about performance compared to running the system totaly from the built in flash? any diferance?07:19
Italodanceit can play avi files good but for mp4 no?07:19
rm_youItalodance: can you post a sample of the video file?07:19
rm_youi can try to help you07:19
rm_youor at least more info about it07:19
KotCzarnyWorkingOnWise: depends on the card you use07:19
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rm_youresolution, FPS, codec, bitrate07:19
GeneralAntillesNot noticeable, WorkingOnWise.07:19
KotCzarnybut you won't notice it07:20
GeneralAntillesItalodance, .mp4 implies AAC audio, which is a bit heavier to decode than mp307:20
rm_youWorkingOnWise: how much stuff did you install!?07:20
Italodancei installed  libmad0_0.15.1b_2.1_armel.deb (74k)07:20
Italodance libogg0_1.1.3_2_armel.deb (9k)07:20
Italodance libtheora0_0.0.0.alpha7.dfsg_1.1_armel.deb (83k)07:20
Italodance mplayer_1.0rc1_maemo.24.n8x0_armel.deb (2.3MB)07:20
rm_youWorkingOnWise: i install a shit-ton of stuff and i still have about 30mb left07:20
rm_youi might recommend checking to see if any programs you installed are storing data on the internal flash and shouldnt be07:21
Italodancen800 os2008 media player can read mp4 but mplaye can't read it and slow07:21
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KotCzarnyWorkingOnWise: there are some docs/animations you can remove to free up space07:21
rm_youItalodance: so, would it be possible to post the file somewhere so i can test?07:21
KotCzarnyfew megs of them07:21
rm_youKotCzarny: i think he said he already did that :/07:22
Italodancerm_you wait07:22
rm_youheh, well... maybe if we tell him to do that enough times, it will become true :P07:22
WorkingOnWiseI have 15.9MB of device memory, out of 256. except the rowser, I cant imagine anything eating space yet. I have only used it for like 6 hours....07:23
* Mousey sounds fun07:23
KotCzarnydoes dpkg/apt list installed package sizes?07:23
rm_youWorkingOnWise: so wait... it won't let you install more things? or are you talking about RAM?07:23
rm_youdpkg will07:23
rm_youdpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -nr | less07:24
WorkingOnWiseit wont let me install more things...well it will now, I cleared 12MB to get the 15.9..07:24
rm_youapt-get clean07:24
Italodancerm_you do u want my video mp4 file or ...?07:24
rm_youit will flush all the downloaded deb files07:24
KotCzarnyWorkingOnWise: btw. have you enabled swap?07:24
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GeneralAntillesItalodance, it wouldn't be h.264, would it?07:24
KotCzarny(ie. virtual memory)07:24
Mouseywill my n810 call me names if i put /usr in /mnt/mmc2?07:24
rm_youGeneralAntilles: i was thinking that :/07:24
WorkingOnWiseKotCzarny: I did...128MB07:25
Mouseywom-: mw roo07:25
WorkingOnWiseKotCzarny: that went on the mmc didnt it?07:25
rm_youWorkingOnWise: did you put that on the SD card?07:25
Mouseywoah, that did NOT work07:25
KotCzarnybut i wonder if it's on internal flash or sd card07:25
* Mousey eats crow07:25
WorkingOnWisei'll clean apt and check the swap location...07:25
rm_youItalodance: yes07:25
KotCzarnywow: try disabling it and tell us if it freed space on internal flash07:26
rm_youWorkingOnWise: just do apt-get clean and then see07:26
KotCzarnyerm. on builtin flash07:26
rm_you* report back! :P07:26
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Italodanceok get it :D07:27
rm_youItalodance: DSL?07:28
Italodanceyes adsl07:28
rm_youheh k07:28
Italodancebut slow :(07:28
rm_youcause my download caps at 5MBps :)07:28
rm_youthat's ... megabytes. not bits.07:29
rm_you<3 college inet07:29
Italodancerm_you my mp4 files are converted by Internet Tablet Video Converter07:30
Italodanceinfact it was an avi file then in converted to mp4 with Internet Tablet Video Converter07:30
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Italodancethat my media player can read and show slaller size07:30
rm_youyou use windows?07:31
rm_youIf you want to convert files into *THE BEST* format07:31
rm_youyou can install ActivePERL for windows and use my modified 770-encode (I call it 800-encode)07:32
rm_youI'm fairly confident that there are no better settings for encoding video.07:32
rm_you(for n800)07:32
Italodancerm_you yes i have xp sp207:33
ItalodanceActivePERL what is it?07:33
KotCzarnyperl for windows07:34
KotCzarnyin a short07:34
Italodancewhat it can do?07:34
rm_youit encodes video07:35
Italodancefor my windows?07:35
rm_youfor your n80007:35
Italodanceso please send it to me07:35
rm_youinstall that first07:36
Italodanceyes but it is a video converter?07:37
rm_youthat is a programming language07:37
rm_youyou need it to run the program i'm going to send you07:37
Italodancetell me again exactly what it can do on my windows xp?07:38
Italodanceaha i got it07:38
GeneralAntillesrm_you, what bitrate?07:38
Italodancerm_you which tool do u have?07:38
rm_youit's a PERL script07:39
Italodanceit can work for my n800 os2008?07:39
WorkingOnWiseok. I did gainroot then apt-get clean . No change in device storage. I removed swap and gained 128MB on the mmc and nothing on the device, so I put it back. I'm still at 15.9 MB free.07:39
Italodanceand tell me can it convert MKV h264 files to mp4...?07:39
rm_youit runs on your windows XP, and converts the videos like the one you used just now07:39
GeneralAntillesDid you up the resolution?07:39
KotCzarnyWorkingOnWise: how about that dpkg line rm_you suggested?07:39
Italodanceok wait07:39
rm_youGeneralAntilles: essentially:  n800    => { abitrate => 128, vbitrate => 1400, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 },07:40
rm_youbut also07:40
rm_youforced two-pass and experimental07:40
rm_youand disabled autocropping07:40
WorkingOnWiseKotCzarny: I didnt see that....I'll scroll up...07:41
rm_youdpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -nr | less07:41
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Italodancerm_you by the way do u know an encode file can read on my n800 for mplayer mp4 files?07:42
GeneralAntillesrm_you, I've had very good success with 5xx horizontal stuff07:42
GeneralAntillesin the 800-1100Kbps range07:43
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WorkingOnWisedpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -nr | less07:43
GeneralAntillesMinimal framedrop on medium-action stuff untranscoded07:43
rm_youi tried upping the resolution, but the pixel doubling on the n800 in hardware is so good that it never passed the awesome of just having a very high bitrate07:43
Italodancerm_you yes?07:44
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rm_youItalodance: what? i didnt understand your question, sorry07:45
GeneralAntillesArbitrary scaling is free on the N80007:45
rm_youWhy are you focused on using mp4 files? avi files encoded with xvid work MUCH better07:45
Italodancerm_you do u know an encode file for play mplayer mp4 files on n800?07:45
rm_youGeneralAntilles: but past a certain number, the video pipeline doesnt have enough bandwidth to handle it07:46
GeneralAntilles5xx horizontal is that number. ;)07:46
rm_youGeneralAntilles: do you understand Italodance's question?07:46
WorkingOnWisewhere do i get less from?07:46
rm_youGeneralAntilles: yeah... still... didnt see enough improvement to merit it.07:46
rm_youand trust me, i tried07:46
KotCzarnywow: use 'more' instead of 'less'07:46
GeneralAntilles"trust" . . . never! :P07:46
rm_youWorkingOnWise: dont worry about it... replace "less" with "more"07:46
GeneralAntillesThe big benefit for me is not having to transcode or reencode07:46
GeneralAntillesso, meh.07:46
Italodancerm_you well i always use Internet Tablet Video Converter and it can only convert to mp407:47
rm_youGeneralAntilles: I have a transcoding pipeline set up :P07:47
rm_youItalodance: which is why i said i don't like it :)07:47
rm_youbecause mp4 doesnt work well07:47
GeneralAntillesYeah, yeah.07:47
GeneralAntillesBut CPU time isn't free.07:47
rm_youit is for me07:47
KotCzarnyrm_you: i have played 720x448 @ 24fps (~700kbit) on my n800 :)07:47
Italodanceok wait friend i am downloading  active perl..07:47
* rm_you has 120 CPUs set up in a botnet, awaiting his command07:48
rm_youKotCzarny: and did it melt? :P07:48
Navicare to share?07:48
KotCzarnyplayed quite well07:48
rm_youKotCzarny: can you send me that file? :P07:48
* Brains is sure that KotCzarny has documented it somewhere for posterity.07:48
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KotCzarnyand only minimal framedrop on complicated scenes07:48
rm_youick, framedrop >_>07:48
rm_youeverything i play would be framedropping constantly then07:49
KotCzarnyrm_you: but just in a really expensive scenes07:49
rm_youall my stuff is *really* high motion AMVs07:49
WorkingOnWiserm_you: what am I loking for in the output of dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -nr | more ?07:49
rm_youlook at the packages07:49
GeneralAntillesAnybody ever get around to listening to Ari's talk on open source stuff?07:49
rm_youthe ones at the top (with larger numbers) are the ones taking up the most space07:49
rm_youGeneralAntilles: ?07:50
rm_youKotCzarny: can you send me that file? :P07:50
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KotCzarnyrm_you: huh, ok, join #kotc07:51
GrackleThis is awesome. I just set up the maemo vmware sdk on my second monitor, visible on all workstations, with open-vm-tools enabled.
rm_youKotCzarny: just use DCC or /notice ?07:51
KotCzarnyi'm not registered07:51
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GeneralAntillesI haven't decided if it's worth my time to listen to it yet. :P07:52
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WorkingOnWiseI dont see anything alarming...I just need more than the 256 of booting from the mmc may be my solution huh? or, can I map the largest folder in the filesystem to the mmc? would that be simpler and just as effective?07:53
Italodancerm_you i installed activeperl now what?07:53
rm_youWorkingOnWise: actually, that could work07:53
GeneralAntillesI'd just extend the rootfs to SD07:53
rm_youItalodance: one second07:53
KotCzarnyas long you don't eject the card :>07:53
WorkingOnWiseI dont remember the dir structure of Linux without looking it up, but the default apps folder is the one I am thinkin of mapping to the mmc, th one under the rear cover... I can use fstab to do that, like I do on a PC?07:55
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KotCzarnywell.. if you have the card formatted to ext3.. or ext207:56
KotCzarnyif it's a vfat you can run into a problems07:56
WorkingOnWiseI can format it on the laptop...07:57
KotCzarnystill, i think you will benefit from mmc boot07:57
WorkingOnWisedoes the N800 support the journaling abilities of ext3. or reiserfs?07:57
rm_youWorkingOnWise: to use ext2 you will need to install the kernel module07:58
WorkingOnWiseI'll look into the mmc boot. I saw it but didnt see a need...lol07:58
rm_youmight be an ext3 module as well... not sure07:58
WorkingOnWisewhat fs is the N800 using in the flash?07:59
KotCzarnybuiltin? jffs207:59
GeneralAntillesext3 works07:59
GeneralAntillesIt's a flash-specific fs08:00
rm_youItalodance: looking for the newest version08:00
Italodancetnx :D08:00
WorkingOnWiseGeneralAntilles: where is a good howto, or good google search terms, to get ext3 working on the N800?08:00
GeneralAntillesThat's a general overview of dual-booting.08:01
GeneralAntillesShould be some links in there to other info08:02
GeneralAntillesDon't recall any offhand08:02
GeneralAntillesMay check the ITT wiki, too.08:02
WorkingOnWisenevr considered this on a desktop, but is there too much overhead on a tablet to make ext3 a good fs to use?08:02
rm_youlook at:
rm_youItalodance: do you watch Anime?08:03
WorkingOnWisethis thing is just amazing! it really is a mini pc with a touch screen interface...wow08:04
rm_youyes :)08:05
Italodancerm_you no!08:05
Italodancewhy :D ?08:05
rm_youi was gonna send you a sample video in the meantime08:06
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rm_youso you could compare quality08:06
Italodancei trust in u08:06
Italodancejust send the tool i need to test it here :D08:06
Italodancetell me ur mplayer can read ur mp4 file (converted files by Internet Tablet Video Converter) good?08:07
Italodanceyes can play?08:07
konttorisure, it works fine08:08
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Italodanceso what is my problem then :(  mplayer need other install file to do it?08:09
rm_youItalodance: sec...08:09
rm_youwow, annoying08:12
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rm_youItalodance: sending you file08:15
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Italodancewhat is it
GeneralAntillesIt's an on-demand on-the-fly transcoding server08:20
rm_youmediautils is excellent08:20
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rm_youin fact, the old 770-encode script was rolled into that package and renamed tablet-encode08:21
rm_youbut it isn't as good now >_>08:21
GeneralAntillesIt's only gotten better for me.08:21
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rm_youthey added all kinda of cruft08:23
Italodancerm_you i am waiting for u08:23
rm_youItalodance: i keep trying to send it...08:23
rm_youare you not getting it?08:23
GeneralAntillesIt's a stupid mencoder wrapper08:23
rm_youGeneralAntilles: people08:23
GeneralAntillesWhat kind of kruft can there be? :P08:23
rm_youGeneralAntilles: i think Jaffa was the main author08:23
GeneralAntillesIt's just Jaffa.08:23
rm_youwell, a GUI for instance08:23
GeneralAntillesYou don't have to use it. :P08:23
GeneralAntillesIt's not like it impacts performance by being there. :P08:24
rm_youit doesn't have my optimizations! :P08:24
GeneralAntillesChange a LINE08:24
GeneralAntillestablet-encode -p best -o -c08:25
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Italodanceguys how can i add tar.gz files to my tablet? where is the place?08:26
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KotCzarnyyou have to compile them first08:26
KotCzarnyassuming you're talking about source packages08:27
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KotCzarnyitalodance: you should really invest in some 'learning linux' book08:28
ItalodanceKotCzarny yes u right08:29
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Italodancewhere can i copy tablet-encode-2.17.tar.gz ?08:42
Italodanceon my n800?08:42
Naviyou don't run it from the tablet08:43
Italodanceok so where?08:44
Italodancewhere i should copy these files?08:45
rm_youyou run them on your PC08:45
rm_youfirst untar it08:45
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Naviyou run it08:47
rm_youwith activeperl08:47
Italodancerun with what? the format is unnkown08:47
rm_youyou'll want to do it in a console08:47
rm_youlike... Start -> Run -> cmd08:48
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Italodancerm_you u don't find that tool?08:51
Italodance<rm_you> you can install ActivePERL for windows and use my modified 770-encode (I call it 800-encode)08:51
rm_youso, you installed activePERL?08:52
Italodanceit's here and run08:52
Italodancei am on perl package manager08:52
Jaffarm_you: what're the modifications (770-encode is now tablet-encode)08:52
Italodancenow what i should do?08:53
rm_youi suppose i could make a patch against tablet-encode :P08:53
rm_youit's just that all of the tablet-encode settings are unnecessarily low08:53
KotCzarnyadd profiles?08:54
rm_youItalodance: sec08:54
KotCzarny -l/-n/-h ? :)08:54
rm_youKotCzarny: yes, *I* have08:54
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Naviwhat settings do you use for your video?08:54
rm_youtablet-encode's "best" quality is about 1/4th the bitrate and lower FPS/size than the one i use08:55
Jaffarm_you: GeneralAntilles has bumped his "best" too; if it really is too low for things which in 99.999% of the time play OK, I'll bump it up08:55
rm_youn800    => { abitrate => 128, vbitrate => 1400, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 }08:55
JaffaAnd the GUI is about 100 lines08:56
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I'd just leave it.08:56
rm_youlol yeah, i just like bashing GUIs :P08:56
rm_youignore that08:56
GeneralAntillesMaybe make a note that some people have had luck with higher bitrates and resolutions.08:56
GeneralAntillesI think you'll be pushing the limits just a touch if you go much higher.08:56
rm_youthat plays super-high motion08:56
rm_youand works with a2dp08:56
GeneralAntillesand the current settings work well with Media player.08:57
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rm_youyeah, mine is designed with mplayer in mind08:57
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JaffaI'll add it as an 'mplayer' preset08:57
rm_youthat's the problem08:57
Jaffaanyway, train time08:57
rm_youJaffa: later!08:58
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rm_youJaffa: just to be clear, i'm really just noting some minor personal preferences... like I said: <rm_you> mediautils is excellent09:00
GeneralAntillesYou just like bitching. :P09:00
rm_youI *really* do09:00
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rm_youespecially about GUIs :P09:00
rm_youGUIs make people weak09:01
GeneralAntillesThey have their place. :P09:01
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rm_youif you don't know how to do it on a CLI, you shouldnt be allowed to do it with a GUI09:01
rm_youand it should still be discouraged09:02
GeneralAntillesJust like you shouldn't be allowed to drive a car because you can't change the master cylinder?09:02
KotCzarnyrm_you: tell that to m$09:02
GeneralAntillesOr be a passenger on an airplane because you can't fly a pattern?09:02
KotCzarnythey still don't have decent cli09:02
rm_youGeneralAntilles: somewhat. I've been learning about engines for that reason, actually09:02
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NaviThat's a rather unfair comparison anyways >_>09:02
KotCzarnyand their 'monad' is trumpeted as ground breaking09:02
rm_youGeneralAntilles: the airplane one isnt accurate tho, yes09:03
GeneralAntillesAbsolutes rarely serve anybody well.09:03
NaviCLI apps are fully functional without their GUI counterparts09:03
GeneralAntillesThe basis for our society is specialization09:03
Naviand can be used in place of them09:03
GeneralAntillesExpecting everybody to be good at everything is naive and stupid.09:03
GeneralAntillesWhy should a neurosurgeon be required to know bash to use his computer?09:04
ItalodanceMedia_Converter_Windows_1[1].43_setup  didn't work on my win  why?09:04
rm_youGeneralAntilles: for the most part, people don't even use GUIs right unless they actually understand what is going on... and to understand what is going on, you need to understand the program without the graphical clutter, IE be able to use it in CLI mode09:04
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GeneralAntillesI understand (and partially agree with) the spirit of it, but applying your personal standards to other people (especially other people with much greater specialization than yourself) is stupid.09:05
GeneralAntillesI know my dad certainly doesn't have the time to learn how to use DOS.09:05
GeneralAntillesHe's got MUCH better things to do with his time.09:06
rm_youwell, if all you want to do is check your email, then you dont need to know any of this stuff, and thats fine09:06
GeneralAntillesThat's what you seemed to be implying. <_<09:07
rm_youbut if you want to do anything complicated, you need to understand more than the basics09:07
KotCzarnyor just hire someone09:07
KotCzarnyto do it09:07
rm_youkind of like, if you just want to drive your car to the store, then it doesnt really matter if you know how it works09:07
GeneralAntillesYour position seems to have changed since we started this discussion. :P09:08
rm_youbut if you want to race it or to stunt driving (like i do), then you need to understand intimately how every part works09:08
rm_youat the start of this discussion we were talking about a video encoder09:08
rm_youwhich is not a simple task :P09:08
GeneralAntillesMeh, there's no reason it shouldn't be.09:08
GeneralAntillesA user shouldn't need to concern themselves with formats and bitrates.09:08
KotCzarnyrm_you: otoh, do you know the innards of xvid? :>09:08
NaviMy brother uses an ffmpeg frontend on windows09:08
Navihas the full range of options available with ffmpeg from the command line09:09
GeneralAntillesHonestly, the fact that they DO is indicative of a broken system.09:09
rm_youKotCzarny: I know how it works... i dont understand the math, but i'm familiar with the different types of frames, how it goes about choosing which pixels to discard, etc09:09
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KotCzarnyrm_you: i think it's all about getting the results09:10
KotCzarnythis way or the other09:10
rm_youand i didn't say you had to be able to CODE the program, just to be able to use it in CLI :P09:10
KotCzarnybe it cli or gui09:11
Italodancesorry again Media_Converter_Windows_1[1].43_setup  didn't work on my win  why? ?09:11
pupnikwin = lose09:11
KotCzarnyless = more09:12
rm_youI would postulate that a person will get better results if they actually understand what the options DO09:12
Proteousless > more09:12
KotCzarnyrm_you: good enough [tm]09:12
rm_youspending enough time to learn the CLI generally leads to a better idea of what is actually happening09:12
rm_youand leads to better results09:12
GeneralAntillesTime is money.09:12
KotCzarnyyou are happy with 400x200 vids09:12
NaviI waste a lot of money then09:12
GeneralAntillesThe opportunity cost of learning the CLI system is usually a lot greater than the benefits.09:13
Navidepends on the app09:13
KotCzarnylearning cli in *nix is essential09:13
GeneralAntillesFor a non-poweruser.09:13
Navidepends on the app09:14
jkuGeneralAntilles, the opportunity cost idea is what gives us the braindeadness of most Windows apps09:15
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GeneralAntillesGUI philosophies are unrelated to this discussion. :P09:15
rm_younot necessarily09:15
rm_youmy comments are only really applicable to GUIs that try to make using a program "simple"09:16
rm_youif your idea of a gui is a screen with a huge command line, and each option is mapped with a checkbox, and suboptions and dropdowns...09:17
KotCzarnyrm_you: but you have to admit after you fiddle with settings you write a script that uses predefined sets of options09:18
KotCzarnyto simplify09:18
rm_youlike, say you had a gui with: "mencoder [--oac {mp3lame, pcm, copy}] [--ofps {1-30}] [--oac {x264,xvid,lavc}] [filename] -o [filename]"09:18
rm_youwhere [] is a checked option, and {} are dropdowns09:18
rm_youthat would be neat09:18
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NaviMy brother found one09:19
NaviI was talking about it earlier, it supports ffmpeg, mencoder, and two other things09:19
rm_youi should make a mockup of that :P09:19
rm_youjust have every mencoder option mapped out into a GUI09:19
ItalodanceMedia_Converter_Windows  didn't work here?  is it needs java?09:19
KotCzarnyrm_you: in ascii09:19
rm_youand make it assemble the commandline in realtime at the bottom09:20
rm_youand then just have an Execute button09:20
Navithe window is huge09:20
rm_you"Super" the video encoder frontend is like that09:20
KotCzarnyrm_you: mencodersh09:20
rm_youits a windows app that acts as a frontend for mencoder/ffmpeg/producer09:20
Italodancewhat can i do now?09:20
NaviI think that's it09:21
rm_youItalodance: what language do you speak natively?09:21
rm_youdamn, was hoping it was something i knew (though that isnt likely)09:22
jkuwow, a guy on maemo-developers CCs Jorma Ollila09:23
jkuthat'll do a lot good, no doubt09:23
Italodancepleas reply Media_Converter_Windows  didn't work here?  is it needs java??????09:23
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Italodancemy win can't read / run Media_Converter09:35
Italodanceplease help this one09:37
Italodancei really need it09:40
T0b0tras-Italodance: convert to unix, then come again :)09:45
Italodanceunix what is it?09:46
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Italodanceok 1 sec09:47
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Italodancei need to install java too
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b0unc3good morning09:51
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christefanois there a command line equivalent for the application manager?10:35
KotCzarnyor dpkg10:35
christefanoI'm used to using aptitude. which of the two do you recommend?10:36
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KotCzarnyi don't know, depends what you want to do10:37
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christefanothe problem I have with the application manager GUI is that it won't update all programs, only one at a time10:37
KotCzarnyapt-get can upgrade/install all dependencies in one go10:37
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jkuchristefano, apt-get is what you're looking for, dpkg is a for installing actual .deb packages10:45
Mikhoisn't apt-get too about installing .deb packages?10:47
jkuhigher level: solve dependencies, download packages, install packages10:48
christefanohow do I get apt-get on my tablet?10:48
jkuit's there10:48
KotCzarnyyou probably have it already10:48
christefanooh, good10:48
Mikhospeaking of apt-get, how do you make it so that you get a list about available packages when you type something and then press tab10:51
Mikhoit works on my host environment, but not in scratchbox :/10:51
Mikhoit's sometimes a bit of a hassle to figure out the correct package name10:51
KotCzarnydpkg -l |grep  ?10:51
KotCzarnybut it may be for installed only, hum10:52
jkuMikho, haven't tried, but this should work:10:52
jkuuncomment the bash completion stuff in /etc/bash.bashrc10:52
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jkuit's not guaranteed that the same completion dictionaries are there of course...10:53
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leo2007has someone ported abiword 2.60 to n8x0?10:54
Mikhowell, the autocompletion works, but it tries to find out files in my working directory, not the available packages10:55
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KotCzarnyleo2007: ?10:55
GeneralAntillesleo2007, it's in private beta right now.10:55
jkuapparently it wasn't an easy port: the first "Abiword is ready for Maemo 4.x" is from five months ago...10:56
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aquatixmorning all11:51
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warlock86anyone could tell me what's wrong with this .instal, please? (I'm using IT2008)12:21
kulveit's in 2007 format?12:22
X-FadeFor one that it creates yet another repository :)12:22
Spakmananyone know how I can get drag scrolling to work on my Gtk::TreeView? That is, I don't want to select an item when dragging, only when tapping?12:23
kulve"Adding Catalogues"12:23
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warlock86thanks, kulve12:25
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scour-umm why does my hildon application look totally different when i run it after i execute sudo gainroot? :P12:28
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scour-+ hildon gives segmentation faults12:28
dtahtbotscour-: Error: "hildon" is not a valid command.12:28
johnxthe environment variables probably get wiped when you "gainroot"12:29
scour-oh. thanks12:30
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wom-ah, finally shell is on wtf-8 and i can see scandinavian öäöä properly :D13:27
wom-with N810 :)13:27
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Veggenwom: I'm n819-exclusive this easter, and am in the process of improving the keyboard layout. got rid of the menu for an extra ctrl, for example.13:29
inzwom, does the built in terminal support something else than wtf-8?13:30
wom-inz: well utf-8 is the only thing that is working for me. so i dont know :)13:31
wom-Veggen: nice13:31
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Veggenbut wtf is pageup, in xkb-symbols?13:33
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VeggenI want to put it on shift-up13:33
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wom-also 'alt' would be nice for irssi usage13:34
Veggenmmm. but where?13:35
wom-'esc' is in on-screen part and that makes it little bit difficult to use13:35
wom-shift-fn perhaps13:35
wom-ah too difficult13:35
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Veggenesc is the round arrow.13:35
Veggeni can live with that.13:36
wom-round arrow?13:36
X-Fadewom-: back13:36
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Veggenon left side of screen.13:36
wom-didn't realise that.. every day something new :)13:37
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Veggenbut anyone got the symbol for pageup?13:42
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Veggenkulve: is it?13:49
inzFor what use?13:50
kulveVeggen: I could guess so. Not 100% sure though13:51
inzAhh, xkb, missed that13:52
Veggeninz: xkb13:52
Veggenoptimizing it for my usage.13:52
Veggenno on-screen, no difficult combinations is the goal.13:53
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Veggenhmmf. can't get pageup to work.13:54
kulvedifficult combinations? I put | to FN+shift+q :)13:54
AStormI'm having a problem with application manager13:54
inzVeggen, how about KP_Prior?13:54
AStormthat is the application name field resized somehow13:54
AStormand I can't make it large again...13:55
kulveVeggen: or KP_Page_Up ?13:55
inzVeggen, or plain Prior13:55
kulveor x, or y, or.. ;)13:55
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kulveI used /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h for guessing the symbols.. Not sure what would be the right place13:56
AStormany ideas?13:57
AStormversion field now takes 1/2 of the width13:57
johnxI've heard it's because of long version strings13:58
johnxare you in red pill mode?13:58
Veggenit is.13:58
kulveVeggen: it is what?13:58
AStormi am, but there are no long version strings around...13:59
AStormah no!13:59
Veggenfor the adventurous: upgrade apt and application manager, that's what I did :)13:59
AStormzorg-omap :P13:59
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Veggenhmm. no, now it scrolls xterm but not irssi...14:01
inzVeggen, what symbol was that?14:02
kulvetell us!14:03
inzVeggen, try plain Prior then, maybe that works better14:04
kulveAccording to xev my desktop seems to send Prior and Next from page up and down..14:05
Veggenhmm.  doesn't seem to work in irssi.14:06
kulveinz: what does the osso-xterm send when clicking those page up/down buttons? They do scroll irssi too14:07
kulveor is it somehow a different case whether the xterm is sending them or somebody else (X) is sending them to xterm..?14:08
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inzkulve, it sends GDK_Page_Up14:08
inzkulve, which I would imagine is what Prior should map into14:09
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Veggenprior also made xterm scroll.14:10
AStormthese pkgs from blog don't have the mangled deps14:11
AStormhow do i ix them? (hildon-aplication-manager)14:11
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johnxuse ar to extract the .deb, use tar to extract the control.tar.gz in it, muck about with control til it looks right, repack the control.tar.gz, then repack the deb14:12
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kulveor install in red pill mode?14:12
kulve(if we are talking only about the section -thing)14:13
johnxdoes red pill cause a Debian "Conflicts" to be ignored?14:13
kulveno :)14:13
johnxfirst of all ... good! second of all that won't work for him, then :)14:13
VeggenAStorm: pkgs from blog wrong?14:14
kulvebut unless the package is very buggy, there should be a reason for those conflicts..14:14
AStormVeggen: yup14:14
AStormkulve: well, it should provide hildon-update-notifier too14:14
johnxkulve, read the aforementioned blog, this is actually a special case...14:14
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Veggenyou'll need to update them all at once and accept to lose osso-software-version.14:14
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AStormi don't need that14:15
AStormand how do I update them all at once?14:15
Veggenand it's sorta high-risk behavior. i.e. be sure to back up first :)14:15
AStormI've updated apt and apt-utils14:15
AStormVeggen: it's a freshly reflashed N810 ;P14:15
AStormno need for backups14:15
AStormbtw, I have to flash that better bootloader... last time I tried, it failed miserably14:16
AStormhad to reflash14:16
Veggenok, do it in shell, with dpkg.14:16
AStormwell, now dpkg doesn't want to update14:16
AStormvs hildon-update-notifier14:16
Veggenoh. hmm. I thought I fixed that.14:17
AStormosso-af deps on update-notifier14:17
AStormand some nokia-repository14:18
AStormcare to repack the pkgs for me?14:19
Veggenwell, application manager doesn't really conflict. but it has no need for it anymore, so it says it conflicts.14:19
VeggenI thought I repackaged to fix that.14:19
AStormadd a provide for hildon-update-notifier... that might fix stuff14:19
Veggenwell. my build-machine is dead. I'm pure n810 right now.14:20
AStormif you have ar... I don't14:20
AStormCan repack it on this machine, but it'll take a short while14:21
VeggenIt will probably take longer for me, using n810 :)14:21
AStormyou didn't remove the conflict14:22
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Veggenjust remove the conflict, and it'll work. i think.14:24
AStormI'll add the provide too14:24
AStormless breakage14:24
Veggenno. don't think so. think things depend on specific version. but ok, you can try.14:25
Veggenhmm. nuts. I think I'll install Ubuntu or such on an old VIA-thing tonight. I need a build-environment :)14:27
aquatixwhy does the hildon installer fail on updates every time?14:27
aquatixapt-get dist-upgrades work14:27
AStormVeggen: try the pkg from
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AStormblah, noip failed to start ;P14:28
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AStormand now it works14:30
AStormthe package does too14:30
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AStormhmm, some I18N strings are broken14:32
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AStorme.g. "ai_tb_update_all"14:33
AStormso, please redo the package with proper l10n14:33
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AStorm"ai_ni_software_update_installed" ;P14:33
Veggenmmm, will look at it later :)14:34
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AStormwheee split14:34
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AStormnow, where did i put that new rtcomm14:38
AStormfirst, I'll move that to mmc214:39
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warlock86anyone has installed scim for using input methods? when I install it the on-screen keyboard doesn't appear, and the hardware keyboard of my device also works in a strange way...14:43
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AStormhmm, i'm missing avahi for newest rtcom14:58
AStormwhich repo do i hve to add?14:58
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AStormshould be in extras15:02
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AStormbut rtcom is still complaining15:02
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AStormok, now it's good15:04
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Veggenbut, why doesn't my dpad-modifications work in irssi?15:05
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inzyour irssi ist kaputt!15:06
Veggennah. pgup/down in xterm works.15:06
Veggen(the on-screen ones)15:06
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Veggenxev says it emits Prior when I press shift-up, but in my irssi it doesn't do anything. shouldn't matter that the irssi is running remote either...15:08
kulvemy irssi (remote screen over ssh) work on Prior and Next15:09
dtahtbotkulve: Error: "s" is not a valid command.15:09
kulvedtahtbot: help15:10
dtahtbotkulve: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.15:10
kulvedtahtbot: help foo15:10
dtahtbotkulve: Error: There is no command "foo".15:10
Veggenkulve: could the dpad be special? but it emits Prior/next...15:11
kulveVeggen: are you using xev (or something similar) to make sure it sends what you are expecting it to send?15:11
VeggenPrior/Next, says xev.15:12
kulvesounds like the osso-xterm is eating the key presses then?15:12
inzVeggen, I would guess the problem is the shift15:12
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kulveVeggen: try mapping the Prior to something which is only a single key..15:13
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inzGnome-terminal (which uses vte, like osso-xterm), scrolls on shift+pgup, but irssi doesn't15:13
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lcddosso-xterm highlights urls but can it do anything else with them?15:15
AStormyes, launch in browser15:15
kulvemy xterm scrolls up/down with shift+pgup/down and without the shift, irssi scrolls15:15
AStormjust hold the stick/finger on it15:15
lcddsigh, i've missed that somehow15:16
inzAStorm, does that work in the 2008 "bundled" xterm?15:17
AStormit's a right click15:17
inzAStorm, oh, I though they broke it15:17
Veggeni think you're right. worked if i remApped SmAll A. but it wAsn't A good ideA :)15:18
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Veggenah - there.15:18
Veggenis there an xkb way to fix that? i.e. make irssi think shift isn't pressed?15:20
inzAStorm, I only have "New window" and "Paste" in the context menu...15:20
jottVeggen: i use Page_Up / Page_Down in my xkb and it works fine with irssi15:20
Veggenbut not on shift-up (on dpad) ?15:21
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jotthmm i bound it to Chr+Backspace / Chr+Return ..15:21
jotti use shift+dpad to select text sometimes15:22
Veggenhmm. i can perhaps live with that..15:22
Veggenoh, shidt-dpad selects text?15:22
jottwell like shift cursor does in many apps :)15:23
AStormplaying lxdoom with keyboard is quite effective15:23
AStormnow I need QuakeWorld on it ;P15:24
jotthmm psdoom would be fun.. if you kill the wrong process the watchdog will reboot :)15:24
Veggenjott: hmm, you need to make enter/backspace EIGHT_LEVEL then?15:25
AStormnow, I need a BT mouse ;P15:25
AStormand build some stand for n81015:25
AStorm"XYZ ate rocket from15:26
jottyeah and remap Chr ( <COMP> ) to ISO_Level5_Shift15:26
AStormwhat about mapping it to compose?15:26
jottyou'll also get rid of the stupid char selection bar when pressing chr then :)15:26
AStormI need some ogonki (singular: ogonek)15:27
AStormtab, esc, pipe, pageup/down on hw keyboard would rock too15:27
AStormand {} []15:28
jotti have all of them mapped <;)15:28
AStormhave some spare german keys to remap15:28
AStormgimme the file :D15:28
AStormthe only diff is that I have a german keyboard15:28
AStormI'd like to keep most of the signs15:28
jottdiff to what :>15:29
AStormdiff vs german layout15:29
* jott also got a german layout ;)15:29
AStormaha! so, give me the file, then15:29
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AStormI'll just have to change a few keys, have compose and some diacritics (ownage)15:30
jotti've very bad signal atm to my n81015:30
AStormjott: well... does it matter? send it over lan or something15:30
AStormukeyboard, right?15:30
jottno usb atm, but i can stand the lag ;)15:31
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jottAStorm: this is my current layout but i still want to optimize it :)15:33
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jottbut you can use the eight_level with it :)15:33
Veggenhmm. chr selection bar might come handy...15:34
AStorm8 shift levels? wtf?15:34
AStormVeggen: yup, make it appear on shift+chr15:34
AStormnormal chr is just overkill15:34
Veggenastorm: hmm.15:35
jottjust remember the mappings and you won't need the bar ;)15:35
AStormthe bar is useful for e.g. rarely entered currency symbols15:35
AStormparagraph/section symbol15:35
Veggenbut shift-chr would be ok.15:35
jottChr+Shift+Fn+q or something would be sufficient for the bar :)15:35
kulveespecially when the keyboard supports only two simultaneous keypresses ;)15:36
AStormbut it has locking keys15:36
jotthehe stick it :)15:36
AStormso you can go all emacs on it15:36
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dospodg'mornin yall15:53
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mwaldronanyone here able to help me with some clone os to sd card questions? prolly best via pms16:07
kulveI used gnu tar for that16:08
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mwaldroni'm following the tutorial on itt but i get e2fsprogs no installation canidate16:09
kulveI followed that one16:10
kulve"Alternative 2" and the tar, not rsync16:10
kulveand I use the initfs bootmenu instead of choosing the rootfs with flasher16:11
mwaldronhrm, that procedure doesn't list 810 or os2008 as tested16:11
kulvenope, but I've used the same thing for 2007 and for 200816:12
kulvethe risk is your of course, as always :)16:12
mwaldronheh of course16:12
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AStormkulve: hw can I flash the new initrd with the partition switcher?16:15
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AStormi've tried initfs_flasher and it made my n810 reboot all the time16:16
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AStormhad to reflash16:16
kulveflasher --flash-only initfs -F /path/to/fiasco -f16:18
kulvesomething like that16:18
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AStormbut that one has some add. apps16:24
AStormand menu16:24
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Veggenhmm. suddenly there's no symbol to show shift/fn state etc...16:49
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AStormyou disabled autocomplete16:53
cyberholicHi everyone, has anyone of you ever uploaded any video to I just uploaded my first mojocafe Video but the quality is *bah*16:53
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AStormthe cam is junk and their compression is too16:55
cyberholicNo, i mean ordinary. I thought that 320x240 would be ok in size, but it pushes it up to the whole framesize of the whole browserwindow :( .... this would mean that you MUST upload a video in hiquality PAL or NTSC format :( .... you can view the video here:
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AStormtry 640x480, the default cam size17:01
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AStormdoesn't look that bad17:02
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AStormwhat's the nice app switcher?17:02
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inzcyber, demoeffect for the couple first gestures?-)17:10
konttori_workeveryone seen planet maemo?17:11
* Navi checks17:12
fugitivoleaving nokia?17:13
Naviohnoes, four team members are teh leavez17:13
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wom-any python datetime and timezone gurus around? :)17:19
* sp3000 shudders17:20
wom-i have time in iso 8601 format with timezone info at the end (+02:00) and i am converting that to datetime using xml.utils.iso8601.. everything works fine except i loose timezone information17:20
* sp3000 discovered the other day that core python doesn't seem to have anything that does iso weeks both ways17:21
wom-so my times are two hours off..17:21
sp3000wom-: lose it, or does it just get taken into account in an utc result?17:21
wom-so i think i lose it17:22
sp3000so it claims to be in local time?17:22
wom-actually it seems to just ignore it17:22
sp3000have you compared using a different timezone?17:22
wom-local time is also +02:0017:22
wom-kinda interesting..17:23
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sp3000I get a different result for time.ctime(xml.utils.iso8601.parse("2004-04-09T21:39:00-09:00")) and time.ctime(xml.utils.iso8601.parse("2004-04-09T21:39:00-08:00")) so I'll guesstimate that it works fine17:31
sp3000ValueError: unknown or illegal ISO-8601 date format: '2004-W04-4'17:32
wom-i am using datetime.fromtimestamp(xml.utils.iso8601...blaa blaa)17:33
wom-i will try time17:33
mwaldronanyone point me in a direction for my removable memory card being corrupted after i have it set up to boot from the card?17:33
mwaldroni'm guessing it's complaining about partition 1 needing formatting, but it won't let me do that in file manager, says in use17:34
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sp3000wom-: well, iso8601.parse returns a float, not a whole lot of tz info that can be put in there17:38
sp3000of course its doc doesn't specify if it returns a float since epoch in utc or local, but sanity would suggest utc17:39
wom-seems that i have to manually adjust it17:40
wom-no nice at all17:40
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sp3000uh, wtf was I saying earlier, "float since epoch in local"17:43
sp3000I seem to forget there's only one epoch17:44
sp3000>>> datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(xml.utils.iso8601.parse("2008-03-19T17:45+02:00"))17:45
sp3000datetime.datetime(2008, 3, 19, 17, 45)17:45
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sp3000I guess I don't see a problem there (I'm +0200 clearly so .fromtimestamp that expresses itself in local matches the numbers in the string)17:47
wom-actually it works17:48
wom-there is one part after that and it messes it up17:48
wom-thanks anyway17:48
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sp3000time is confusing17:49
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aquatixyeah, it should be disposed of17:54
aquatixno need for it anyway17:54
aquatixmorning KotCzarny :)17:54
KotCzarnyaquatix: i could use some spare time17:54
aquatixsorry, mine is all gone17:54
KotCzarnyespecially in the 14-18 yo area17:54
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pierluxKotCzarny, heh, years after years I wonder what the heck was I doing with my free time before! it keeps getting smaller :(18:15
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cyberholicSorry guys... i am back now. Had to build up an IKEA shelf... wow... less then 30 minutes! personal record!18:19
zoranbuilt on arm?  :)18:20
cyberholicYeah, the videos shows the mojocafe online aplication.18:20
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unique311mtpaint at work .....
fugitivovery nice!18:23
fugitivois it available for download?18:24
unique311on ITT18:24
fugitivonot in maemo?18:24
pupnik_is the pressure sensitivity useful at all?18:24
unique311not yet on maemo18:24
unique311pressure sensitivity no18:24
zoranyes for human beens18:24
jottit's not hildonized as it seems18:24
unique311not sure why its not working18:25
unique311it sets correctly..18:25
unique311jott, you can go fullscreen and make use of alot of the screen area.18:25
konttoridoes mt paint contain brushes like the mypaint does?18:26
unique311fugitivo, the guy working on it wants to do lots of work on it before he adds it to maemo.18:26
unique311konttori, nope18:26
unique311having issues with mypaint.18:27
konttoriah. shame. But still, it's a very welcome addition to the image editors (especially as there aren't really any)18:27
unique311half of the screen don't want to register stylus stroke18:27
_collin_bunch of people leaving the maemo team... anything bad going on?18:27
konttorion my device mypaint works just fine18:27
unique311konttori, i thought it was my device at first..18:28
unique311but mtpaint works fine.18:28
konttorihmm... odd18:28
unique311so i don't think its a screen issues.18:28
konttorimaybe it's a python version issue18:29
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unique311I think i need to purge mypaint from the my the IT.18:29
KotCzarnyso soon?18:29
unique311i had a version on it i compiled a while back, so that might be the issue.18:29
pupnik_i'm not satisfied with the ui and responsiveness18:30
unique311which pupnik_ ?18:30
unique311i had some minor problems with mtpaint, but when i removed the scratch protector everything worked well.18:31
pupnik_but your painting is great, send it in to the mtpaint homepage18:31
unique311will do.18:31
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AStormdoes mplaye in maemo suport subtitles?18:33
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AStormmediabox doesn't load them?18:33
AStormah, they work18:34
AStormwrong encoding though18:34
AStormhow to fix it?18:34
KotCzarnyah, encoding fun.18:34
KotCzarny -subcp WINDOWS-1250 \18:34
KotCzarnytry this one?18:34
AStormmy mplayer with some subcp opt cn read them properly18:34
AStormuh, mediabox?18:35
AStorm(it uses mplayer)18:35
KotCzarnydoes mediabox allow params for mplayer?18:35
AStormnot inside... maybe rc file?18:35
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KotCzarnyi don't use mediabox?18:36
AStormI meant, maybe mplayer rc file ;P18:36
AStormwhat was the path?18:37
AStormmhm, ~/.mplayer/config18:37
AStormI use here subcp=enca:pl:cp125018:37
AStormit's a pity nokia's gstreamer player cannot play some other resolutions18:38
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AStormbtw, I'd like an mplayer built with FPU support18:42
AStormshould be faster?18:43
AStormno? fully ASM?18:43
kulveif it would be faster with fpu it would have compiled with fpu (I don't know which one is it). I assume we are now talking about "mplayer" and not some other "media player"18:44
AStormwell, they might've traded size (almost 2x) for speed a bit18:44
AStormmight not be that much of a gain18:44
AStormactually, the decoding libs have to be built with fpu18:44
kulveagain, if we are talking about "mplayer", nothing is traded for speed, afaik18:44
kulvewell, I might be a bit exaggerating here, but trust me, if there's something easy to be done for speed up, it's done already18:45
AStormVFP? some guy got nice speed gains18:46
kulvedepending totally on the case18:46
kulveif the codec is integer-only the vfp support will just slow things down18:46
AStormheh, I wonder if floating point codec with vfp is faster than integer codec18:47
AStormpossible, needs testing18:47
kulvethat's a good question. Based on my experiences the vfp codec would be slower on n810, but ssvb said that they can be also just less optimized..18:48
jottfully asm optimized vfp code should be quite fast :)18:49
KotCzarnyany asm wizzards to take on it? :>18:50
AStormI could write libmad, if given enough time, and time is quite expensive :|18:50
jottand mplayer should already be compiled with vfp enabled18:50
kulvewrite some lgpl codec.. :)18:50
AStormjott: well, that would only affect filters18:51
AStormthe real processing is in codecs18:51
AStormI don't think xvid and ffmpeg have an integer version18:52
AStormesp. arm-optimized integer version18:52
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jottAStorm: well libavcoded is compiled with mplayer, so vfp is enabled there too ..18:57
jottbut there is certainly more potential ;)18:59
AStormesp. using some DSP in it19:00
AStormthat would have quite an impact19:00
KotCzarnyyeah, changing freq to 330/22019:00
AStormcurrently it's not used at all (maybe except sound mixing and mp3 decoding)19:00
AStormKotCzarny: nah, that can be locked19:00
AStorma kernel hack19:00
KotCzarnyi know19:00
KotCzarnybut some people tell me that won't work, because it requires kernel flash19:01
KotCzarnyand people won't be eager to do it19:01
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kulvewhat's wrong with changing kernel?19:01
KotCzarnyi don't know19:01
kulveit's quite easy19:01
KotCzarnyi'm just telling you what others said to me19:01
kulveI'm running one with built-in NFS support and some MMC patches19:01
KotCzarnyi have my kernel with disabled 330/220 mode19:02
KotCzarnyand it runs perfectly19:02
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jotthm is 400MHz actually the limit or did someone try to push it further?19:04
* jott imagines a water-cooled n81019:04
AStormjott: lol, it's not needed19:04
KotCzarnyi have seen some posts about overclocking to 400/266 mode19:04
AStormyou could easily push it to 425 MHz19:04
jott500? 600? :)19:05
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KotCzarnyfry baby, fry?19:05
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AStormabove that battery may have too much drain to work19:05
AStormKotCzarny: nah, the CPU is cool19:05
AStormthe problem is power input19:05
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KotCzarnyastorm: what's this cpu rated mhz?19:05
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kulveTI's papers say 33019:06
AStormactually, they don't have a rating ;P19:06
AStormthe idea is that with more MHz, DSP speed goes down19:07
KotCzarnyit's only a matter of preset values19:07
KotCzarnyand power drain19:07
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KotCzarnyThe OMAP2420 includes an integrated ARM1136 processor (330 MHz), a TI TMS320C55x\u2122DSP (220 MHz), 2D/3D graphics accelerator, imaging and video accelerator, high-performance system interconnects and industry-standard peripherals.19:08
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KotCzarnyerm, 3d graphics accelerator?19:08
lcdddon't bring that up :)19:08
KotCzarnywhy? :>19:08
kulveKotCzarny: yaah, 3d acceletor. A very old story19:08
disquh, pvr.19:09
KotCzarnyproprietary stuff, no libs, etc?19:09
AStormKotCzarny: yep, PowerVR19:09
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KotCzarnyhow effective it could be?19:09
KotCzarnyie. does any other platform based on 2420 uses it?19:09
AStormthe CPU at 425 would have to run with 1/4 divider19:10
jottnokia phones.. n82/n95/..19:10
AStormuhm, no19:10
AStormwe'd get free power at DSP too by global overclock19:10
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KotCzarnyjott: is there any sdk for n95 that we can steal? :>19:11
kulveKotCzarny: people have tried all kinds of tricks, no luck19:12
KotCzarnyndiswrapper style? :>19:12
KotCzarnymmm, 3d19:13
jottwell an extracted n95/symbian kernel module could potentially help in reverse engineering19:13
AStormif it worked19:13
AStormthe CPU may be different19:13
jottthere is currently only a omap2430 linux binary floating around19:14
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jottAStorm: i doubt that, both are omap2420 and from nokia19:14
AStormhmm :>19:14
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AStormbut will the power supply of N8x0 sustain that?19:15
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Veggenjott: I have this line:19:15
Veggenkey <AC10>  {       type="EIGHT_LEVEL", [       odiaresis,     Odiaresis,     equal,          equal,          oslash,         Oslash, equal,          equal         ]       };19:15
Veggenwhy on eaerth is it oslash that is the bare key itself?19:16
Veggenshouldn't it be odiaresis?19:16
AStormit's level 5...19:17
AStormimpossible to get usually?19:17
KotCzarnyThe PowerVR SDK is available now for OpenGL 1.x for ... Texas Instruments' OMAP2420/2430 (Linux & Symbian)19:17
AStormNokia is expected to at least provide a binary blob then ;P19:17
jottVeggen: yeah order should actually be None, Shift, LevelThree, Shift+LevelThree, LevelFive, Shift+LevelFive, LevelThree+LevelFive, Shift+LevelThree+LevelFive19:18
AStormah, shift+l519:18
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AStormlevel3 is FN?19:19
kulveKotCzarny: that includes e.g. emulator for PC but no arm side binaries..19:19
jottand chr can be mapped to level519:19
AStormlevel5 isn't bound by default?19:19
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jottkulve: well there actually are arm binaries (just for omap2430, powervr mbx lite)19:20
jottfor linux that is19:20
AStormgive 'em to us19:21
pH5to me it looks like the driver supports both mbx/mbx lite, but mmio space and irq are it is hardwired for 243019:21
pH5s/it is h/h/19:21
infobotpH5 meant: to me it looks like the driver supports both mbx/mbx lite, but mmio space and irq are hardwired for 243019:21
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jottpH5: possibly.. either way it's not usable without some real hacking ;)19:22
AStormhm, that would be a simple change for the Nokia devs if they have access to the source19:23
pH5is there anybody interested in actually reverse engineering those?19:23
kulvepH5: yes19:23
kulvewell, something like that at least..19:23
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jottanyone has access to a n95 or another n-series omap2420 phone?19:24
AStormI don't19:24
pH5I have a bit of random assembly-turned-C code deduced from the dwarf debugging tags, but I probably shouldn't redistribute that :)19:24
jottpH5: hey it to gain interoperability ;>19:25
AStormis there  some no rev-enc clause in the licence?19:25
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AStormbtw, is there some cleaner for Nxxx? removal of unused dependencies?19:26
AStorm*unused packages19:26
Veggenjott: but how can I find out why order is opposite? :)19:26
AStormor at least a list19:26
AStormVeggen: by trying?19:26
AStormthat vmware image is still dling :|19:27
KotCzarny Log in19:27
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VeggenWell. i am trying, but since jott has done some work on this, I thought perhaps he'd have an idea.19:28
jottVeggen:     key <AC10>  { type="EIGHT_LEVEL", [odiaeresis, Odiaeresis, equal, equal, oslash, Oslash, odiaeresis, Odiaeresis]  };19:28
jott(i.e. use the first two also as LevelThree+LevelFive, Shift+LevelThree+LevelFive19:29
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jottVeggen: you know that you can use .. setxkbmap -symbols "nokia_vndr/rx-44(de)"   to reload the symbols file?!  (or replace de with what ever you like ;)19:31
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Italodanceummm mplayer has lag sometimes??????????  why?19:36
Italodancei play a xvid avi file19:36
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douthatis down?19:41
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Italodancedouthat what's the message?19:42
douthatit just seems to stall for me19:42
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douthatahh, here we go19:43
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Italodancehere is my old problem :"''(19:49
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wom-whats the magic in hildon.Window.set_title.. setting it but not seeing it :) this is in python20:00
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KotCzarnyn95 is only 2.8" (240x320) hehe20:06
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AStormItalodance: mplayer has default delay of 280ms for some reason20:08
qwerty12I think the 26 release makes the delay 0ms20:08
qwerty12It does on my N800 at least afaik (unless the mplayer web plugin has changed things)20:08
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Italodance23.98fps can run on mplayer???????20:11
Italodancei just added my original video (without any convert)20:11
Italodancebut it has some lags on somewhere!20:12
kulvethe fps is highly dependant on bitrate and resolution20:12
Italodancecan someone tell me why?20:12
Italodancemy mplayer is 2420:12
Italodancemplayer_1[1].0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0_armel.deb  on n800 os200820:13
Italodancekulve do u know what's the problem?20:13
pupnikI told you the problem20:13
unique311maybe you need to update it20:13
pupnikVideos with resolution greater than 400 x 240 may not play full speed20:14
Italodanceyes it is  XVID 640x352 23.98fps [Stream 00]20:14
qwerty12@pupnik, Super Mario War works fine on N800 OS2008 BTW, thanks :). I just made a desktop file with a pixmap I copied from the smw data gfx folder.20:14
pupniksweet, i'll make a deb with installer20:15
pupnikthanks qwerty1220:15
Italodancethanks pupnik for ur guide20:15
Italodanceso i need to convert it20:15
pupnikDid you tweak the controls?20:16
Italodancelike what?20:16
pupnikI only enjoyed it with bluetooth kbd20:16
qwerty12pupnik: to me?20:17
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qwerty12I changed some of the controls as some features were not working (like use item to full screen button etc), I use the built in buttons on the N800, I find they play the game ok :)20:18
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pupnikok i'll make sure to map that20:19
qwerty12Cool :). Brb, flasher-3.0 will not recognise N800 unless I reboot :@20:19
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qwerty12My bad, flasher-3.0 needs sudo 8-)20:21
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qwerty12pupnik: Maybe you can use "funkipup installer " for SMW :)? I untarred deb file with 7zip in windows, and made symlink to memory card. I then edited /var/lib/dpkg/status to remove smw-data dependency :)20:25
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pupnikyes exactly20:27
pupnikit's the only way i know to install a big deb without requiring huge amts of free space on /20:28
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qwerty12I like the funkipup installer :). I hate moving files myself with emelfm2 >.<20:28
WorkingOnWisewhat is a reasonable wysiwyg html editor for the N800?20:29
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KotCzarnyhmm, 2430 has powervr LITE and iva2, 2420 has powervr and iva20:54
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pupnikdude keep reading20:58
KotCzarnypupnik: i will20:59
* KotCzarny is on a quest for a free cycles20:59
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pupnik  woooo pandora pcb rev 0.1 posted!21:03
Italodancesome one can send me mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.25?21:05
red-zack < andreasj> SiO2: Dann wähl wmaker einfach in Deinem Login-Manager aus...21:05
red-zack20:02 < fir3> aber ein prozess "dselect" läuft nicht mehr, nur noch aptitude21:05
red-zack [20:05] [red-zack(+e)] [] [Act: 2,3,4,5,7,10]21:05
KotCzarnymouse abuser21:05
keesjpupnik: it is such a sexy device!21:06
Italodanceplease send mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.26.n8x0_armel.deb21:06
pupniksome people would disagree with 'sexy' but i don't21:07
Italodancepupnik can u send me this deb file?21:07
pupnikthis is interesting21:07
KotCzarnyat least it confirms there's a mbx here21:07
keesjpupnik: I hoped it would be a little more then only a photo21:08
Italodanceplease pay attention to me21:08
pupnikit is at least a refutation to the eedjits who said 'pandora is a hoax'21:09
GeneralAntillesBe interesting to port maemo over to the Pandora.21:09
pupnikyup (mamona, whatervr)21:09
pupnikKotCzarny: hey that kernel version matches :)21:09
keesjKotCzarny: bussy with 3d stuff?21:09
X-Fadepupnik: It is plain ugly, but I do like the specs :)21:09
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KotCzarnypupnik: yeah, it's for n8x021:09
GeneralAntillesAgreed, X-Fade.21:10
KotCzarnykeesj: hum?21:10
GeneralAntillesWe'll see what Nokia has to offer around the end of this year before making any decisions, though.21:10
X-Fade_if_ they can get a driver for the opengl-es..21:10
ItalodancePlease For God Only This!21:11
keesjbuzzy, omap can't lag behind, but apparently this powervr is used all over the place21:11
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X-Fadekeesj: And we've seen it in action on the N810 ;)21:12
dragornholy crap dude.  Google.21:13
Italodancemaemo website is down for me 1 week21:14
keesjX-Fade: nice21:14
KotCzarnybut it's for another device :/21:14
Italodanceplease send me
KotCzarnyat least it's 2.621:14
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Italodanceplease send21:15
pupnikX-Fade: you saw powervr running on N800 - at nokia?21:16
X-Fadekeesj: Around 2 minutes 5 in...21:16
X-Fadepupnik: Check that youtube..21:16
Italodanceplease send21:16
pupnikok i'm driving to bochum21:16
X-Fadepupnik: Those seem to be the powervr techdemos running on n810..21:17
Italodanceplease send me
X-FadeItalodance: Please stop.21:17
Italodanceplease 121:17
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Italodanceit is only 2 mb21:17
ItalodanceX-Fade send it to me21:18
KotCzarnyx-fade: but is it powervr based or rendered by cpu?21:18
X-FadeKotCzarny: It is powervr based.21:18
pupnikI do not understand how they're streaming video off the N810 over wireless21:18
pupnikwhile running gl demos... :/21:18
Italodanceplease send it21:19
pupnikty for the link X-Fade21:19
GeneralAntillespupnik, I think the PowerVR is in the USB21:19
Italodancei can't download from http://repository.maemo.org21:19
GeneralAntillesOr somesuch21:19
Italodanceit is blocked here21:19
Italodancei need u21:19
X-Fadepupnik: I think it is more like a remote X session idea.. It forwards commands?21:20
GeneralAntillesReally, everything I've read about it has been incredibly vague.21:20
pupnikthe animations look far smoother than say vnc over wlan21:20
Italodanceoh i got it..21:20
pupnikmaybe it's using freeNX?21:20
* pupnik giggles21:21
keesjand fullHD > 800x480 right?21:21
KotCzarnyvia usb/wifi21:21
GeneralAntillesCan anybody tell me how to change the apt/Application Manager repository timeouts?21:21
KotCzarnywho says tv-out ?21:21
X-FadeYeah, so they need to cramp that in about 1mbit :)21:22
pupnikbut if you look at their display, it's running a higher resolution than the 800x48021:22
X-FadeSo my guess is opengl instructions?21:22
X-FadeYeah, i think the display 'server' just displays the instructions. And not the raw data..21:22
GeneralAntillesThe TV-side has a fairly complicated dongle.21:23
X-FadeI think that one has the same cpu in it perhaps?21:23
pupnikI volunteer to do replacement music for em21:23
GeneralAntillesIf anybody wants a slightly less retarded osso-xterm, fiferboy has compiled the svn
X-Fadepupnik: But at least there is hope for opengl-es :)21:24
keesjbut ukmp is in there (right?)21:24
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pupnikhmm they using OpenMAX
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keesjI already have to much things I want to do in 2d, lets pretend it never happends21:25
* keesj has been playing lately (as replacement for xmoto)21:26
inzGeneral, yay, someone has the energy to do my work21:26
KotCzarnyhah, that reminds me of 'stunts' game on amiga21:27
KotCzarnyvery similiar21:27
keesjThis car does not really crash21:28
X-Fadepupnik: Old news: :D21:28
keesjbut is all this news or have I been sleeping ?21:28
X-Fadekeesj: It has been out in the open for a week orso. But nobody looks at it carefully ;)21:29
X-Fadekeesj: This one is interesting too:
* pupnik packs up his bag and tent21:31
pupnikyeah that is a 3430 board21:31
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X-Fadepupnik: Yeah, great stuff to play with.21:32
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pupnikok at 00:35 you can see their frontend is a python script.  It appears to require a usb dongle (?) and they have OpenGL and X-Proxy modes21:34
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pupniki wondering if the actual OGl rendering is being done on a remote pc then21:35
pupnikfor the hi-res display21:35
keesjpupnik: the one attached to the beamer?21:35
GeneralAntillesIt's not on the OMAP PowerVR anyway.21:35
keesjI am happy to see some exiting things happen here!21:35
X-Fadepupnik: They also have compressed-av if you look closely..21:36
pupnikkeesj - on that flickr picture the hardware running maemo is called a 'beagleboard'21:36
pupnikahhh ty21:36
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keesjAll I really did this week-end is reading about how to unclutter  ( ) and you guys are definitely not helping here :p21:40
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KotCzarnyx-fade: have you tried recompiling kernel?21:42
KotCzarnyto and fake version to try loading that pvrdrv.ko ?21:42
X-FadeKotCzarny: lardman has tried to do that.21:42
KotCzarnyany log of it?21:43
X-FadeKotCzarny: And the driver loads, but doesn't do anything after that..21:43
X-FadeIt should create some device entries etc, but doesn't do that.21:43
KotCzarnybut doesn't crash either21:43
KotCzarnymaybe some hardcoded pci ids etc21:43
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pH5KotCzarny, X-Fade: the clock/power registers are in another place on omap2430, so that can't possibly work without some hex editing21:46
KotCzarnyph5: there was some preliminary driver for 242021:46
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X-FadepH5: This driver was the one from the TI SDK, I think..21:47
pH5KotCzarny: ooh, really? I only have the 2430 sdk. does that 2420 binary still float around anywhere?21:48
fugitivodamn, i have to reformat my internal memory card after copying a lot of data (
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fugitivotoo bad i didn't read it before21:48
KotCzarnyph5: it wasn't doing anything usefull.. just poking here and there21:48
KotCzarnyenabling clocks21:48
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pH5KotCzarny: heh, I shouldn't have called that 'driver'21:51
X-FadepH5: Well, it is a start ;)21:51
X-FadeIt already requires some knowledge about the pvr.21:52
b1ackD3athwhat r u favorite apps for the 2008 os21:52
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X-FadepH5: Duh, it seems you have written it :D21:55
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pH5yeah, that was the easy part. too bad the power state / interrupt logic isn't quite so straightforward.21:57
KotCzarnybut not impossible?21:59
pH5nothing is impossible. question is how many manhours one is willing to invest :/22:00
KotCzarnyhow can we encourage you? :)22:00
lcukwith beer and hookers and a blackjack table?22:00
X-FadepH5: Do you have technical docs or do you reverse engineer it?22:01
lcukinfact, forget the blackjack22:01
pH5KotCzarny: that's easy. disassemble and document large parts of the binary driver :D22:01
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KotCzarnyph5:i have tried disassembling before.. it was.. erm.. ;)22:01
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pH5X-Fade: only the 2430 sdk and a few hours to waste.22:02
KotCzarnyph5: binary driver is from 2430?22:02
pH5I don't think any docs will ever surface.22:02
lcukdo we know whether the 2430 uses compatible code?22:03
KotCzarny2430 has mbx lite22:03
X-FadepH5: We can always hope for wikileaks ;)22:03
lcukor would it be as easy to get hold of the symbian driver?22:03
lcukfor actual 242022:03
KotCzarnyph5: how about windows mbx emualtor?22:04
pH5X-Fade: I do since I got that n810 :)22:04
KotCzarnycan it be dissected to get any info?22:04
anders_gudisn't there a 2.4 driver for the mbx?22:04
pH5lcuk: the driver code from the 2430 sdk tests for mbx/mbx lite and does some things differently22:04
lcukan emulator is no good unless it has the drivers as well22:04
pH5of course it could be that mbx code is missing22:05
X-FadepH5: Not knowing if Nokia/Ti will ever give us a driver is hard :(22:05
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lcukanders_gud,  from what i recall the older 2.4 driver is for the agp hardware22:05
lcuknot for the embedded22:05
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pH5lcuk: no idea about symbian, has anybody heard about anybody extracting drivers from symbian images?22:06
lcuknot sure, i dont even know anyone with one - you need a code to download from nokia just like with 810, but their flasher is windows only and i found a windows updater installer (>100mb) which should contain an image but uses none standard compression22:07
lcukif anyone else wants to give it a try i found a site listing flash images for most nokia phones22:08
lcukthats the n95 folder, going back you have a whole swath of them22:08
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fugitivohello, i need to disable swap on my device so i can format my internal memory card, anyway to do this? the card is in read only mode22:09
pH5lcuk: thanks22:09
lcukwhere would i find this 2430 image and a dissassembler22:10
lcuk(and a dictionary)22:10
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jottit's really strange nobody in #maemo has a n95 or some other 2420 based mobile :)22:12
* KotCzarny has n80022:12
KotCzarnymobile & 2420 based :)22:12
jottwell cell phone / mobile phone :)22:12
jottsymbian s60 based phone :)22:13
lcukn95 is like the good twin, n8x0 owners have long hair and black walls and a messy bedroom22:13
* KotCzarny has white walls22:13
pH5hm... the only reference to google finds is an old #maemo log22:13
fugitivonay idea?22:14
pH5fugitivo: swapoff?22:15
pupnikthe read only bug can prevent turning swap off22:16
jottfugitivo: mount -o remount,rw /media/mmcX  and then swapoff22:16
X-Fadejott: I have n95 :)22:16
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jottX-Fade: then post the driver :)22:16
X-Fadejott: I wouldn't know how :)22:16
jotttake some file explorer and seek the disks :)22:16
pupnikfugitivo: one solution - remove card, reformat partition on PC card reader, insert card22:17
X-Fadejott: You can't see the os files..22:17
jotteven with 3rd party file explorers?22:17
X-FadeDoesn't look like it.22:17
KotCzarnyx-fade: it runs on symbian?22:18
pH5X-Fade: are there any tools to dump flash contents?22:18
X-FadeKotCzarny: Yep.22:18
lcukif you run the usb flash update it extracts the file somewhere - probably temp - how about checking whilst the update is on screen22:18
fugitivopupnik: can the internal card be removed?22:18
X-FadepH5: Wouldn't know.22:18
pupnik AMD opengl ES2 emulator22:18
jottpH5: i got a C0R file extracted22:18
pupnikfugitivo: sorry i thought you had n80022:19
lcukX-Fade, any chance you can run it (i doubt you even need to have it plugged in)22:19
jottthat contains references to Drivers\Display\PowerVR :)22:19
pH5jott: hmm, not it gets interesting :)22:19
fugitivopupnik: it's an n810, i have the same problem as this (, but i can't format it because i'm using swap and the system is mounting it in read-only22:19
X-Fadelcuk: Run what?22:19
infobotpH5 meant: jott: hmm, now it gets interesting :)22:20
lcukthe nokia system updater - it contains a flash image doesnt it - but dont worry for now22:20
lcukthere may be other ways22:20
jottpH5: UWfirmforce does not find any useful structures ..22:20
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jottwhat filesystem does symbian use? fat?22:20
X-Fadelcuk: I already looked at a flash file once. And it looked a lot like a FIASCO image..22:20
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fugitivopupnik: how can i prevent the device of mounting the card?22:21
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fugitivoi tried removing it from /etc/fstab but didn't work22:21
pupnikmount -o rw,remount /media/mmc2    fugitivo22:21
fugitivopupnik: oh, that worked :) thanks a lot22:22
pupnik  hmm powervr OGL ES 2.0 sdk22:23
jotthmm atleast there are nice strings like 11Idle3DEvent.11TAIdleEvent.12EventContext.14EVMDallocEvent.16DMBXPowerHandler.16DResourceHandler.18TSignallingDfcData.23DVariantMbxPowerHandler.23TAContextInterruptEvent.26TDfcCreateCommandQueueData.27TDfcDestroyCommandQueueData.33TDfcDisplayCreateCommandQueueData.5DBase22:24
KotCzarnymbx doesn't do es222:25
KotCzarnyi think22:25
pH5jott: oh cool, can you see arm code? I feared the file system image would be compressed.22:25
jottpH5: looks very uncompressed22:25
X-Fadejott: But isn't that a userspace tool?22:25
pH5jott: terrific. can you teach me how to extract?22:26
X-FadeThe binary driver seemed to communicate with some userspace daemon..22:26
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jottpH5: hmm so in the archive.. mmh22:26
jotthmm where did i get this.. hmm ;)22:27
pH5X-Fade: I think it's the same in the omap2430 sdk. most of the driver control lives in, the kernel driver is only for interrupt handling, memory allocation and setup/teardown22:27
X-FadepH5: Well, that means you are half done already :D22:28
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pH5X-Fade: but then again I've already disassembled half of the userspace library to understand what goes on in the kernel ;)22:29
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X-FadepH5: So why don't you put those 2 halves together?22:29
lcukhmmm jott, i just found the same thing but mines a zip ;)22:30
lcuktalking to the pvr is going to be like talking to the dsp22:30
X-Fadelcuk: Black box?22:30
pH5X-Fade: because I've taken apart the easy/obvious halves :D22:31
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pupniksomethine like dspgateway?22:31
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lcukbasically yer - here set yourself to X*y,  here is a load of triangles.   Now please deposit it at this location22:31
lcuki really cant see it being much more difficult22:32
pupnik"If you want to be serious about DSP programming, you want to have the debugger22:32
pupnikand the JTAG cable!22:32
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lcukand gallons of patience and understanding and no kids or cats to interupt22:32
pupnik  Ti c54x notes22:33
pupnikdo you have a closet?22:33
lcukyer but im not stepping into it - that would imply at some time i would have to leave22:33
* lcuk will never step out of the cloeset :D22:33
lcukwithout extra e of course22:34
lcukregarding black box debugging - who manages to compile and test and debug code directly on the device after compiling in scratchbox?22:35
pupniki dunno, just thought some of the dspheads might find the link interesting22:37
lcuki certainly do :)  when you are testing your programs do you test directly on device or do you run in scratchbox on x8622:38
pupnikpersonally i always run on device22:38
pupniknfs share, gdb and oprofile kernel on device22:39
lcuksame here, and i dont fall apart if it breaks22:39
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lcukahhh you actually have a debugging kernel22:39
lcukdoes it help?22:40
jottdo the neuros guys actually have some nice dsp code that could be reused?22:40
* lcuk reads code until i find a bug22:40
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anders_gudthis one?
KotCzarnybut not working22:41
jottit probably not omap but pxa22:41
pH5also it's supposedly a dumb framebuffer driver only.22:42
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KotCzarny1.2mb dumb fb?22:42
lcukdoes symbian use the same abi?22:43
lcukmicrosoft driver22:43
pupniki'd be happy with a vsync driven double-buffer solution at < 400x240 right now22:43
lcukxv does but its not rgb22:44
pupnikah so mplayer at < 400x240 will use page-flipping?22:44
lcukno, i believe the hardware on the lcd supports 2 800*480*yuv12 frames but dont quote me on that22:45
lcuki havent managed to get it tearing yet no matter what i do and an empty render loop is locked to 27fps22:46
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pupnikOK thanks.  I can't deal with this now.   But tearing is really  annoying22:46
lcuki would have used sdl if i could have had tear free 800*480 but im working through with xv22:46
pupnikjust looks so amateur when an emu skips a frame or doesn't have tearsync22:46
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KotCzarnyyuv12 is 25% smaller than rgb16 :>22:47
pupnikhopefully you can share something near end of march22:47
lcukim getting quite adventurous - im playing with color22:47
lcukyer as soon as i tear out the horrid hard paths22:47
lcukwhich every time i look into it i wanna rewrite the font code which...22:48
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* lcuk has a list as long as his arm22:48
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lcukby the way - whats the best way of handling options without using the command line for a program that has no interface?22:48
lcukim compiling every time at the mo :S22:49
* lcuk slaps his forehead and writes an option file22:49
KotCzarnyargv[] ?22:50
lcuk i get argv nicely stored away22:50
KotCzarnyread a file22:50
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lcuki just call with a script and cant keep changing the script just to change a param to try something22:50
lcukits faster to just comment out a variation on a function call and resend22:51
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lcuklike when i was playing with display sizes ive got about 10 calls with different resolutions all commented just leaving one open22:51
lcukand wiring options from the front to the depths of the code is again longer than having another variation...22:52
KotCzarnypipe read?22:53
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lcukactually - ive got argv and a whole app_..() set of functions available, i think ill just write in a few if(app_option("colormode")){...} type things around for now and make app_option use argv22:54
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lcukwhat would pipe reading be?22:55
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KotCzarnysome kind of scripting language?22:55
KotCzarnyslave mode?22:55
jkulcuk, what language?22:56
KotCzarnylike: DRAW x=243 bpp=4\n22:56
lcukim in raw c22:56
Firebird8hi, how do i make the SD card mount to somewhere other than /media on boot? does fstab work? it doesn't seem to affect anything22:56
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jkulcuk, gconf or gkeyfile maybe?22:56
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lcukkot, no need for scripting lang at the moment, ive created myself a few apis - app_open(..)   canvass_open(...)  book_open(...)  with assoc other calls related and have been trying total variations for background rendering etc using the same simple central code22:57
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lcukjku, essentially a registry - it might work22:58
KotCzarnylcuk: but it could help you testing different opitions22:58
KotCzarnyi guess22:58
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jkulcuk, gkeyfile is fast to implement, gconf is more work but a pretty good solution for user settings (with change-signals and such)22:59
lcukits like ive got a whole xv graphics library now which draws glyphs and lines and rectangles and works on an xv shm backbuffer- but at the start i had a sdl22:59
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lcukjku, thanks i might take a look later when i get my head into it23:00
jkuso gconf is nice for changing options during runtime23:00
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lcukgconf edits are persisted and edited like using regedit arent they23:01
lcuki wonder how long it would take me to get a basic version of MUI up and running23:01
jkubasically yes23:01
lcukinfact, is MUI around?23:01
* lcuk stops himself from looking and stays a bit focused23:02
lcukright, im going stripping out all rel paths and seeing if i can get this essentially dependency free and allowing options23:03
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lcukby the way, has anyone used the pressure sensitive mouse options from the wiki? i implimented the rawmode and got it working, but now under certain circumstances i lose mouse events (namely the trailing 0 to indicate mouseup)23:04
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KotCzarnyotoh enabling 3d could be hindered by very low amount of vram available23:15
JaffaHmm, three members of maemo leaving Nokia at the same time.23:16
KotCzarny5 in the morning?23:16
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tkoJaffa: actually 4, jobi just doesn't have a blog :)23:19
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jkutko, just a coincidence?23:23
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disqmaybe not :P23:23
jkuah, tko:"some I’ll be seeing again soon enough"23:24
Jaffatko: good luck with your future stuff - hope you've got something exciting lined up23:25
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* pupnik speculates23:28
disqyeah man good luck :)23:29
pupnikWhat's the technology that will make ITOS more flashy while providing backward compatibility to hildon stuff.23:30
JaffaGtk 323:30
disqpowervr? :P23:31
disqok i should stop joking around23:31
disqbtw, planning to make a half res mode for kagu, black borders, 400x240 ui area in the middle23:31
AStormpupnik: I guess some new flashy WM23:31
AStormusing Composite23:31
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AStormmore fadeouts and slides23:32
JaffaClutter/EDJE seem to be suitably flashy, too23:32
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tkocheers all. there's something lined up, will post more soon enough23:33
disqedje looks flashy yeah, if only i liked the scripting language23:33
pupnikcheers tko - happy trails23:33
* koos wondering too if last days news means the move is clutter or Qtopia23:33
AStormit should've been written in Python23:33
Jaffatko: you going to be hanging around hereabouts, still?23:33
tkoJaffa: in Europe, not in Finland23:34
AStormQtopia is overrated23:34
AStormC++ on mobile devices, yeah, that's what everyone needs ;P23:34
Jaffatko: pah, who said anything about meatspace? ;-)23:34
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tkoJaffa: heh, silly me23:35
AStormI fancy N850 being a Lisp machine23:36
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KotCzarnyOMAP2430 SDKs23:45
KotCzarnyOpen GL ES v1.1 and OpenVG 1.0 SDK based on OMAPSW vL16.4 BSP, use GCC-3.4.4 Tool Chain23:45
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KotCzarnyOpenSource Kernel v2.6.1023:45
* KotCzarny cries23:45
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pupniki say we make a bootloader for uae4all.  no ITOS at all :P23:47
KotCzarnythat would be cool if it would include all needed drivers23:48
KotCzarnyWhile we will not have general availability through our distributors until April 2008,23:49
KotCzarnyapril is just around the corner23:49
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shackanKotCzarny: why are you crying?23:57
AStormwhy don't they use GCC 4.x?23:58
KotCzarnybecause nokia have not included any support for pvr23:58
AStormdoes it generate larger files or what?23:58
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