| KotCzarny | and it's faster than fx3 | 00:00 |
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| KotCzarny | huh | 00:00 |
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| sp3000 | it dies before you even thought of closing it? :) | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | let's hope it's standards compliant | 00:05 |
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| jott | well current webkit trunk gets 93/100 in acid3 test | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | The test changed, evidently. | 00:06 |
| jott | still a good result | 00:06 |
| AStorm | safari is improved khtml | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | fx3b4 scores 67/100 ? | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:07 |
| AStorm | it is mostly compliant and improving | 00:07 |
| jott | webkit is forked khtml :) | 00:07 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny, microb gets 54 | 00:07 |
| jott | http://www.anomalousanomaly.com/2008/03/06/acid-3/ | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 00:09 |
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| KotCzarny | especially ie8 ;) | 00:09 |
| jott | hey, they had to tweak for acid2 first :) | 00:09 |
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| jott | in five years they will realize that acid3 was the measurement for the latest browsers back then :) | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 00:11 |
| Veggen | any xkb gurus here? where would it be specified that shift is sticky and ctrl is not? | 00:11 |
| AStorm | ie 5.5 had some code from ie for mac team | 00:11 |
| AStorm | that one was more standard compliant | 00:12 |
| Veggen | <--want a sticky ctrl. | 00:12 |
| AStorm | Veggen, use glue? ;) | 00:12 |
| Veggen | bah :) | 00:12 |
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| AStorm | is there way to make led kbd backlight on all the time? | 00:13 |
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| jott | AStorm: use glue? ;) | 00:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: /sys tweaking? | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:13 |
| AStorm | hmm... | 00:14 |
| AStorm | how? | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno. :P | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | find /sys -name *led* | 00:14 |
| AStorm | checking... | 00:14 |
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| briand | 3 | 00:16 |
| AStorm | there are some cover leds | 00:16 |
| AStorm | and keyboard leds | 00:16 |
| AStorm | i'd like to have backlight on on power when keyboard is opened | 00:17 |
| AStorm | s/on power/on chargeer/ | 00:17 |
| infobot | AStorm meant: i'd like to have backlight on on chargeer when keyboard is opened | 00:17 |
| AStorm | yup | 00:17 |
| AStorm | who is the infobot? | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | make youserlf a shortcut | 00:18 |
| AStorm | blah | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | A bot | 00:18 |
| AStorm | battery state is exported to dbus | 00:18 |
| AStorm | and backlight *maybe* if it's dark only (not required) | 00:19 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles, mind reading? | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | no, /on public s/* | 00:19 |
| AStorm | ah, it expanded my sed :P | 00:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Duh :P | 00:20 |
| AStorm | i'll have to do the kbd layouts | 00:21 |
| AStorm | then check dbus | 00:21 |
| AStorm | then try to add here a feal shell | 00:21 |
| AStorm | and boot from 2 G,flash | 00:22 |
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| AStorm | btw, rss feed reader rejects feeds from racjonalista.pl | 00:23 |
| AStorm | claws-mail on my box and firefox accept them | 00:23 |
| AStorm | microb displays it too | 00:23 |
| AStorm | but rss reader fails | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | bbl | 00:24 |
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| AStorm | hmmm, pdf-reader doesn't want to uninstall for some reason | 00:29 |
| AStorm | ahha, had to close microb | 00:30 |
| AStorm | evince is just much faster and better | 00:31 |
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| Raytray | How would I use irssi on the n800? I can ssh onto the other box, screen in, but don't know how to switch windows without typing it in. -- And the screen cuts in half for some odd reason. | 00:35 |
| AStorm | escape then numbeer | 00:36 |
| AStorm | screen cuts i've never seen | 00:37 |
| Raytray | thanks, that's half way there. hehe | 00:37 |
| AStorm | zou can use xchat instead too | 00:38 |
| Raytray | It cuts it in half vertically and makes the right side white. | 00:38 |
| AStorm | hmm | 00:38 |
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| cyberholic | Good evening every one! | 00:38 |
| AStorm | are you running inside screen? | 00:38 |
| Raytray | Yeah | 00:38 |
| Jaffa | sp3000: darius has gone even more bonkers than when he suggested ITT was a Microsoft conspiracy | 00:39 |
| Lateralus | Where is the name of your device stored? | 00:39 |
| AStorm | you've probably split it | 00:39 |
| sp3000 | I must have somehonw missed that episode | 00:39 |
| Raytray | ? | 00:39 |
| sp3000 | which is probably just as well | 00:39 |
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| Raytray | It usually happens 2-5 seconds after I screen in. | 00:40 |
| AStorm | fsck, n810 screen is too light in total darkness | 00:40 |
| AStorm | even at the lowest setting | 00:40 |
| cyberholic | AStorm: get yourself the Black/Rec Clock Mojo at my webpage, that might help. | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Darius makes me laugh. | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine how any of that could be anything but a stupid joke. | 00:41 |
| AStorm | cyberholic, what does it do? | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/adv-backlight/ | 00:41 |
| cyberholic | astorm: its very dark and when you touch it, it gets brighter in case you want to know the time :) | 00:41 |
| AStorm | might be too dark :P | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | He must be on medication. Perhaps the dosage need upping? And probably an increase in aluminium thickness in his tin foil hat. | 00:42 |
| cyberholic | :) | 00:42 |
| Raytray | Oh, nevermind, I realized what splits it. looks fine on a larger screen though. :( | 00:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The aluminum got through the blood brain barrier. | 00:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Brain damage. | 00:42 |
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| cyberholic | Trivia Question with a surprise for those who know and love him: who was HAL9000 ? | 00:44 |
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| AStorm | ok, i installed adv-backlight - now where is it? | 00:45 |
| cyberholic | AStorm: check the bulb on top of your homescreen. | 00:45 |
| cyberholic | Wait, not one of you knows HAL??? | 00:45 |
| AStorm | mhm | 00:46 |
| AStorm | not a bulb | 00:46 |
| AStorm | and too many icons :P | 00:46 |
| cyberholic | sorry. no bulb... sun... there where you dim the backlight | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to enable it in Panel | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Control panel | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Disable Nokia's volume and backlight applets while you're there. | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | What about HAL9000? | 00:46 |
| cyberholic | GeneralAntilles: you know him? Would you love to have him on your n800? | 00:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Not particularly | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd rather not have my N800 disobey and try to kill me. | 00:47 |
| cyberholic | ok *lol* | 00:47 |
| AStorm | niiice | 00:48 |
| AStorm | now one icon less | 00:48 |
| lcuk_2 | Arthur C Clarke dead :( | 00:48 |
| AStorm | :D | 00:48 |
| AStorm | it suppports volume control too | 00:48 |
| cyberholic | General: http://www.mojocafe.de/blog .... it even speaks to you *lol* | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | Does it sing Daisy Daisy when the screen blank timeout hits? | 00:49 |
| cyberholic | *looooooooool* .... no... not yet. | 00:50 |
| AStorm | i recon 0 backlight works in very sunny conditions? | 00:50 |
| * Jaffa beds | 00:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, AStorm. | 00:51 |
| lcuk_2 | what about in the dark with a pair of red leds? | 00:52 |
| AStorm | more battery savings, yay | 00:52 |
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| lcuk_2 | can you get enough reflection out of it totally off and back into your eyes? | 00:52 |
| AStorm | does it still obey the light sensor? | 00:52 |
| lcuk_2 | i have a sticker over my sensor | 00:52 |
| sp3000 | I for one welcome our new light sensor overlords | 00:53 |
| AStorm | hehe, that blinds it, no more light in medium conditions | 00:53 |
| lcuk_2 | well it works backwards and with about 10 second lag - its annoying as feck | 00:53 |
| AStorm | in high light the backlight is disabled, so yes | 00:53 |
| AStorm | (at least on low level) | 00:54 |
| AStorm | and it's still readable | 00:54 |
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| lcuk_2 | plus i am left handed so my wrist usually covers it (i rest in that corner with stylus | 00:54 |
| AStorm | hehe | 00:54 |
| AStorm | i rest on bottom left one | 00:55 |
| lcuk_2 | then to do anything my hand obscures the view - its not the best design for lefties | 00:55 |
| AStorm | iti is good enough | 00:55 |
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| AStorm | just move tghe hand to he left some more | 00:56 |
| lcuk_2 | i kinda keep it out of the way from above - web scrolling is only useful cos i can aim in the left border but anything requiring actual scroll bar is awful | 00:56 |
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| AStorm | for trhat,rest son bottom | 00:57 |
| AStorm | *on, that | 00:57 |
| lcuk_2 | then it feels like i am dropping it | 00:57 |
| lcuk_2 | balance and all that | 00:57 |
| AStorm | nah, it rests on your hand | 00:58 |
| AStorm | use the stand as a handguard too | 00:58 |
| lcuk_2 | i tried that, its the wrong shape entirely | 00:58 |
| AStorm | (a bit rough, but ok) | 00:58 |
| lcuk_2 | anyway, for home use i went 1 better | 00:58 |
| AStorm | heh | 00:58 |
| AStorm | it only needs some plush | 00:59 |
| lcuk_2 | mobile and easy to grip or rest from any position http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg | 00:59 |
| lcuk_2 | it now feels like i am holding a book :) | 01:00 |
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| AStorm | lol | 01:02 |
| ds3 | has adv-backlight been updated with large controls for finger tapping? | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, they're stock GTK widgets. | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Change them yourself if it's really something you need. :P | 01:03 |
| AStorm | quite bulky | 01:03 |
| ds3 | sure, it'll go on the end of the todo list | 01:03 |
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| AStorm | ds3, they're still the default size | 01:05 |
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| BabelO | hello | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're plenty fingerable | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just tap one end and slide to the end you want. | 01:06 |
| AStorm | hello | 01:06 |
| lcuk_2 | but they are tiny | 01:06 |
| Navi | Haha, innuendo | 01:06 |
| AStorm | but tappable | 01:06 |
| lcuk_2 | i have a fat finger and a whole screen available - for the love of anything why cant we have control elements which are visible from orbit? | 01:06 |
| BabelO | short question, i ve a htc artemis and n800, i activate serial service on n800, just setup the /etc/bluetooth serial.services, how can i connect n800 to artemis gps over bt ? :) | 01:06 |
| BabelO | i already have gps2blue | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, it's a GTK thing, not really an adv-backlight thing. :P | 01:07 |
| AStorm | lcuk_2, well, why not | 01:07 |
| lcuk_2 | of course its a adv-back thing, ive wrote a window with a grid of 9 buttons - it fills the screen and makes me happy | 01:08 |
| lcuk_2 | because its easy to press | 01:08 |
| AStorm | yeah, theme scaling | 01:08 |
| lcuk_2 | i could have chosen to make the same thing with 9 default sized buttons | 01:08 |
| lcuk_2 | but that would suck | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, if it bothers you so much, fix it. :P | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not like it's closed source. | 01:08 |
| lcuk_2 | i am using the stock one which is actually easier at the moment | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, the code's there, the tools are there. | 01:09 |
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| AStorm | ya, just code | 01:10 |
| lcuk_2 | but why have 2 different attempts | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Submit a patch | 01:10 |
| AStorm | the better one will prevail | 01:10 |
| Navi | make it an option, submit a patch, and hope it gets merged? | 01:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's not like the author is hard to get ahold of or unreceptive. | 01:10 |
| lcuk_2 | sounds reasonable navi :) | 01:11 |
| pupnik | My loony bun is fine Benny Lava! | 01:11 |
| * lcuk_2 knows this | 01:11 | |
| lcuk_2 | linky to source? ill have a blast at it and see if i can give us something finger friendly to go along with the current interface | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/adv-backlight/ | 01:12 |
| lcuk_2 | ta :) | 01:12 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA1NoOOoaNw indian music video with subtitles totally offtopic. sfw | 01:12 |
| AStorm | whee, more options! | 01:12 |
| BabelO | second question is easy, i ve maemo sdk tablet, but everything is grey, only networking / mass storage choice, and i can only switch from mass to network, is it normal ? | 01:12 |
| lcuk_2 | why options? | 01:12 |
| AStorm | pupnik, yuck ;P | 01:13 |
| lcuk_2 | i wont be removing the current interface? | 01:13 |
| AStorm | lcuk_2, I meant options as in options | 01:13 |
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| AStorm | not new packages | 01:13 |
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| dougt_ | is anyone using gcc 4.2.1 in their scratchbox (not sb2) | 01:14 |
| AStorm | i'd love to :) | 01:15 |
| BabelO | hmm ok back to kernel develop , it is more easier than gtk stuff | 01:17 |
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| AStorm | lol | 01:20 |
| AStorm | no, you just don't get glib | 01:21 |
| BabelO | lol | 01:21 |
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| BabelO | AStorm: but it is C and ARM register with simple operation ;) | 01:22 |
| Raytray | I suppose GeneralAntilles is getting sick of me, so I'll ask here. :D -- How would I get bash to be default shell? | 01:22 |
| AStorm | BabelO, hehe | 01:22 |
| Navi | Raytray, there's a tutorial on how to do it on the ITT forums, I think | 01:23 |
| Navi | let me look | 01:23 |
| AStorm | Raytray, just chsh | 01:23 |
| AStorm | might work | 01:23 |
| Raytray | thanks | 01:24 |
| AStorm | if nit, edit /etc/passwd by hand | 01:24 |
| AStorm | for new useers, check /etc/defaults | 01:24 |
| Navi | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14613 | 01:24 |
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| pupnik | did anyone ever figure out if the larger sdhc cards consume more power ? | 01:32 |
| pupnik | or is that irrelevant | 01:32 |
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| AStorm | blah... | 01:34 |
| AStorm | "unable to uninstall tetex-base" | 01:34 |
| AStorm | time to use apt | 01:34 |
| pupnik | tetex was a headache | 01:34 |
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| AStorm | yup | 01:35 |
| AStorm | how do i get rid of it? (installed it earlier) | 01:36 |
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| AStorm | i'm not that good at debian yet | 01:37 |
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| ds3 | it isn't just the size, it is the spacing of the buttons | 01:46 |
| ds3 | but point is taken, if i want it that way I can change it | 01:47 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 01:53 |
| AStorm | i could use some lighter variant of canola | 01:54 |
| AStorm | as the cpu struggles on ogg | 01:54 |
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| AStorm | and something trayable | 01:54 |
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| AStorm | yay, smooth jazz after midnight ;) | 01:55 |
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| AStorm | ogg@128kbps + gfx = stutter | 01:59 |
| AStorm | I'll check if mplayer fares better | 02:01 |
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| AStorm | not much better | 02:05 |
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| AStorm | maybe something on gstreamer... | 02:07 |
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| AStorm | heh, mediabox owns even canola | 02:25 |
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| errordeveloper | i was looking at the usb networking howto | 03:47 |
| errordeveloper | and ..hm, | 03:47 |
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| errordeveloper | i can't figure out where i'm supposed to get the module from ? | 03:47 |
| KotCzarny | compile it yourself? | 03:47 |
| KotCzarny | but maybe it's already on device | 03:47 |
| KotCzarny | what's the name? | 03:47 |
| Tama^2 | Hola | 03:48 |
| errordeveloper | i have just installed nokia os08 firmware | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | errordeveloper, just use the statusbar applet. | 03:48 |
| errordeveloper | Linux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Fri Dec 7 11:17:13 EET 2007 armv6l unknown | 03:48 |
| errordeveloper | GeneralAntilles: right // | 03:48 |
| Navi | Hi Tama^2 | 03:50 |
| errordeveloper | but i couldn't see it in the app manager | 03:50 |
| errordeveloper | GeneralAntilles: could you tell me please, where to get the applet ? | 03:50 |
| Tama^2 | the otg applet? | 03:51 |
| errordeveloper | i have just installed usbcontrol app, but | 03:51 |
| Tama^2 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin | 03:51 |
| errordeveloper | that seems to be something else | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, it's not. | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does host/client and usbnet. | 03:52 |
| errordeveloper | right .. | 03:52 |
| errordeveloper | rihgt ..there are three buttons | 03:53 |
| errordeveloper | OTG ; peripherals ; host | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's USB Control | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | The plugin is different. | 03:53 |
| errordeveloper | hm .. | 03:54 |
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| errordeveloper | so i need to install the usb-otg-plugin deb ? | 03:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If you're interested in going that method, yes. | 03:57 |
| errordeveloper | GeneralAntilles: what's the other method ? | 03:57 |
| errordeveloper | in fact i need it to be gui | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | The rest are non-gui. | 03:58 |
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| errordeveloper | well .. this thing doesn't actually work the way i expect | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | What way is that? | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | 'click-works' | 04:05 |
| shackan | YES! darius reloaded! | 04:07 |
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| errordeveloper | GeneralAntilles: it's like after i click on there and choose USB ethernet .. | 04:22 |
| errordeveloper | it looks like something crashes and the xsession restarts | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a desktop crash | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you tried restarting? | 04:23 |
| errordeveloper | yeah | 04:23 |
| errordeveloper | i did | 04:23 |
| errordeveloper | same again | 04:23 |
| errordeveloper | and i cannot see any modules in lsmod | 04:24 |
| errordeveloper | neither there is any new interface in ifconfig | 04:24 |
| errordeveloper | ;( | 04:24 |
| errordeveloper | is there syslogd running on maemo ? | 04:25 |
| errordeveloper | well .. i turned it of | 04:25 |
| errordeveloper | off | 04:25 |
| errordeveloper | i 'll have a look tomorrow | 04:25 |
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| ds3 | rm_you: you actually got an x86 box?!?!?! | 05:01 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: maybe this will make up for my n800 being retarded >_> | 05:01 |
| rm_you | lol yes | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | retarded is a bad word.. | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | more like disabled | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:01 |
| rm_you | "physically challenged" | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | You shouldn't abuse the poor thing so much. | 05:02 |
| Navi | disabled is a bad word... more like KotCzarny | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | ^ troll | 05:02 |
| ds3 | rm_you: what did you get? | 05:02 |
| rm_you | Toshiba Portege M700 | 05:02 |
| rm_you | it's a convertible | 05:02 |
| ds3 | active or passive pen? | 05:02 |
| * rm_you puts the top down and turns up the beats | 05:03 | |
| rm_you | both | 05:03 |
| ds3 | both? how's that possible? | 05:03 |
| rm_you | ask it, not me | 05:03 |
| rm_you | i can poke it with my figer, or hover the pen | 05:03 |
| rm_you | either works | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 05:03 |
| rm_you | my old motion tablet was only the radio bits | 05:03 |
| ds3 | is there a battery in the pen? | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | my x41t could be used only with pen | 05:03 |
| * rm_you throws his LE1600 in a ditch | 05:04 | |
| rm_you | Oh, sorry... I think I misunderstood you. The pen is passive, I think... What I'm thinking of is called something else. | 05:04 |
| ds3 | ah | 05:04 |
| rm_you | That the screen is both touch sensitive and uses a radio-bits pen | 05:04 |
| ds3 | so no battery in there? | 05:05 |
| rm_you | no. | 05:05 |
| ds3 | the AAAA in the old TC1000's were irritating | 05:05 |
| ds3 | ratshack is the only local place that had them | 05:05 |
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| rm_you | what exactly is your definition of passive/active pen? | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: what are you going to do with n800? | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:11 |
| Navi | Trash it | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's garbage | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | throw it out. | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | trolls at their finest | 05:13 |
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| rm_you | lol | 05:15 |
| rm_you | well | 05:15 |
| rm_you | if it doesnt fix itself with another flash, i'll have to buy another one >_> | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Under warranty? | 05:16 |
| rm_you | doubt it | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | (I'm sure we've covered this) | 05:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia's is 1-year, right? | 05:16 |
| rm_you | i bought it last july... | 05:17 |
| rm_you | but it was from a guy on ITT | 05:17 |
| rm_you | so, used | 05:17 |
| rm_you | maybe I could poke quim about giving me a deal on a refurb or something :P | 05:18 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not his area. :P | 05:19 |
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| rm_you | >_> | 05:20 |
| rm_you | Nokia should really just GIVE me a new one... | 05:20 |
| rm_you | I'm practically a frickin salesman | 05:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | How many? :P | 05:21 |
| rm_you | I've sold three of the things in the last month >_> | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: start selling them yourself | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | 8 | 05:21 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | that way you will profit | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | and you will be able to buy yourself one | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:21 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: woot :) you should get commission | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | People tell me Apple should give me one, too. | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know how many of those I've sold. | 05:22 |
| Navi | Yeah :) | 05:22 |
| Navi | :) | 05:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles tends to sell things he likes. | 05:22 | |
| Navi | Commission would be awesome :) | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just pulling for a discount code for the N900. | 05:22 |
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| rm_you | lol | 05:22 |
| * Navi shrugs :) | 05:23 | |
| Navi | Start threating people to put your name on their releases | 05:23 |
| Navi | :) | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've already got one! | 05:23 |
| Navi | Heh, mmk :) | 05:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pushing that last mile to breach 300 on ITT. | 05:25 |
| Navi | But yeah, you've pushed what, the majority of your clan to buy an N8X0? :) | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | 6? | 05:26 |
| Navi | Plus me :) | 05:26 |
| Navi | :) <- Fucking smileys | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | 6 . . . 4 rather | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | So no. | 05:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles kidnaps Navi and forces him to apply. | 05:26 | |
| Navi | >_> | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5 counting myself. | 05:27 |
| Navi | Six counting me | 05:27 |
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| Navi | You should count yourself four times | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I am co-leader. :P | 05:28 |
| Navi | You have like 770 x2 and 800 x2 | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, down one N800. | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though it's still in the family. | 05:28 |
| Navi | Oh? | 05:28 |
| Navi | I see | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gifted it to my sister for her birthday. | 05:28 |
| Navi | woo \o/ | 05:28 |
| Navi | aw, gp32x boards are dowm | 05:29 |
| Navi | down | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | He friends got her a goddamn Nano | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | So my secret plan to turn it into her primary mobile device failed. | 05:29 |
| Navi | the ugly fat current generation one? | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | "fat" | 05:29 |
| Navi | :D | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd have sold it if the N800 had video out. :\ | 05:30 |
| ds3 | the Nano/classic seems to be the only option for a video out mobile device | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900 better have video out. | 05:32 |
| pupnik | pandora | 05:33 |
| doc|home | and the feature I've wanted for fucking ages | 05:33 |
| doc|home | a kitchen sink | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hells yeah. | 05:33 |
| doc|home | big one, numerous taps | 05:33 |
| doc|home | filtration system, the works | 05:33 |
| ds3 | video out is handy for sharing digital pictures | 05:33 |
| Navi | ds3, the GP2X has video out :/ | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | With a disposeall | 05:33 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: right! | 05:33 |
| ds3 | Navi: the GPX2 is MMU less right? | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better be stainless, too. | 05:33 |
| doc|home | of course | 05:33 |
| doc|home | although silver's good too | 05:33 |
| doc|home | pure silver, none of this silver coated crap | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | MOEN or bust | 05:34 |
| pupnik | teflon coated | 05:34 |
| doc|home | nah, teflon = evil | 05:34 |
| Navi | ds3, there's a hack that a handful of proggies use to have mmu | 05:34 |
| pupnik | makes a nice dress for a bullet don't you think? | 05:34 |
| ds3 | I prefer my bullets silver coated but then I don't like werewolves ;) | 05:35 |
| Navi | I | 05:35 |
| Navi | am a fan of matte black :P | 05:35 |
| pupnik | how directional are microwaves? | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'course, pupnik. :P | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on their age, pupnik. | 05:35 |
| pupnik | could you put a microwave oven device in front of a parabolic dish and kill people at range? | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | But "fairly" | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't have the power. | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'd make them vomit | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | or really nauseated | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it wouldn't kill them. | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | To kill them, you'd have to boil their insides. | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which requires a non-trivial amount of power. | 05:36 |
| pupnik | oki | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | How long would it take you to cook a 20lbs turkey in a microwave (assuming you had one that fit). | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But mounting a microwave projector on the end of something would make for awesome crowd control. | 05:37 |
| pupnik | some guys in germany died from radar dish burns | 05:37 |
| * Navi finds it odd that GeneralAntilles would know so much about this | 05:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, Navi. | 05:37 |
| Navi | s/would know/knows/ | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | I worked in the strangest place for most of high school. | 05:37 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles works for the CIA | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | We talked about some weird shit. | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Frequently with people who actually knew what they were talking about. <_< | 05:38 |
| pupnik | the democratization of force is in the interest of humanity | 05:38 |
| doc|home | see? CIA | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bookstore, doc. :P | 05:38 |
| pupnik | the open source principle | 05:38 |
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| leandroal | /j #latex | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amen, pupnik. | 05:39 |
| AStorm | hi again | 05:39 |
| AStorm | where can i reinstall original mediaplayer back fvrom, aside of reflashing? | 05:40 |
| h3sp4wn | Is there a way I can stop my nokia 770 from powering down just temporary | 05:41 |
| h3sp4wn | (Its plugged in and I am messing with it over ssh) | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Powering down? | 05:43 |
| h3sp4wn | well disconnecting my ssh session | 05:44 |
| h3sp4wn | going into standby it is | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wifi idle time set? | 05:45 |
| h3sp4wn | Its set to unlimited | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It shouldn't be disconnecting. | 05:46 |
| h3sp4wn | So normally the screen would just blank but any connections stay open | 05:47 |
| h3sp4wn | ? | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's correct | 05:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, cover should kill wifi on OS2006 and earlier. | 05:48 |
| h3sp4wn | I will try it without the cover for a bit | 05:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't recall if it's a toggleable setting. | 05:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles hasn't used OS2006 for almost a year now. | 05:51 | |
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| rm_you | mmmm | 05:57 |
| rm_you | video out | 05:57 |
| rm_you | <3 | 05:57 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: huh | 06:57 |
| pupnik | just a chance for you | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | chance? | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 06:58 |
| KotCzarny | no subtitles | 06:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:59 |
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| pupnik | keep it KotCzarny. it's valuable | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | i don't even know what it is | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | or who it is | 07:07 |
| pupnik | very old music | 07:07 |
| pupnik | they're some farmers from Laos | 07:07 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, i will wget it | 07:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want somebody to find some sort of musical notation from the Greeks. | 07:10 |
| WorkingOnWise | ok. I knew I would eat the built in storage pretty fast....didnt think it would be 27 hours after I unboxed my N800! Is there any way to use the memory card I have installed under the rear cover as more storage for installing apps? | 07:11 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 07:12 |
| WorkingOnWise | it's a 1GB SD | 07:12 |
| tank-man | yea, google "maemo boot mmc" | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | consider booting from mmc | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, no | 07:12 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't do that | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | look for extending the rootfs to sd | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dual booting isn't a bad idea | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | just not really what you're looking for here | 07:12 |
| WorkingOnWise | wont that destroy the cadr pretty fast with all the write cycles? | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd delete the 35MB of manuals and 20MB of media that it ships with first, though. | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | WorkingOnWise, I don't know a single person who has destroyed a flash card using it. | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | workingonwise: and how is the difference between builtin flash and external ? | 07:13 |
| WorkingOnWise | way ahead of you there GeneralAntilles...lol | 07:13 |
| WorkingOnWise | on removing the media and manuals.... | 07:14 |
| tank-man | sdhc cards are pretty cheap | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Truthfully, even if you did manage to wear out a flash card | 07:14 |
| WorkingOnWise | what i know is only what I have read...never used a mc for any intensive writes to see it happen... | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | 1gb sd cards are more than cheap | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | they'll be so cheap to replace (with one several orders of magnitude larger than the one that failed) by the time you do that it's not really an issue. | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | flash memory is much more durable than it used to be | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're very good at write balancing, anyway. | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | My recommendation is just to use the card as you want to use it. | 07:15 |
| WorkingOnWise | not concerned about the cost, its wasting part of my system and having a fubar tablet... | 07:15 |
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| KotCzarny | ? | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | if you boot from sd card | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | The SD cards are replaceable. | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | So having them fail wont brick the device. | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | how do you waste your system? | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | the idea is that you don't use drives that are not mounted | 07:16 |
| WorkingOnWise | if most of my apps are on the sd card, and it dies from too many write cycles, most of my apps go with the card... | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | workingonwise: you can backup on regular intervals (1 month? :) | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, we're talking years down the road | 07:17 |
| WorkingOnWise | they are THAT reliable nowadays? | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | quite | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pretty much | 07:17 |
| Italodance | guys | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | ladies | 07:18 |
| Italodance | my mplayer is playing very slow mp4 files why? | 07:18 |
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| tank-man | too slow pc? | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something's eating CPU | 07:19 |
| rm_you | on n800? | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | MP4s are too heavy? | 07:19 |
| rm_you | what codec is it using? | 07:19 |
| Italodance | yes on my n800 os2008 | 07:19 |
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| WorkingOnWise | so, what about performance compared to running the system totaly from the built in flash? any diferance? | 07:19 |
| Italodance | it can play avi files good but for mp4 no? | 07:19 |
| rm_you | Italodance: can you post a sample of the video file? | 07:19 |
| rm_you | i can try to help you | 07:19 |
| Italodance | well | 07:19 |
| rm_you | or at least more info about it | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | WorkingOnWise: depends on the card you use | 07:19 |
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| rm_you | resolution, FPS, codec, bitrate | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not noticeable, WorkingOnWise. | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | but you won't notice it | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Italodance, .mp4 implies AAC audio, which is a bit heavier to decode than mp3 | 07:20 |
| rm_you | WorkingOnWise: how much stuff did you install!? | 07:20 |
| Italodance | i installed libmad0_0.15.1b_2.1_armel.deb (74k) | 07:20 |
| Italodance | libogg0_1.1.3_2_armel.deb (9k) | 07:20 |
| Italodance | libtheora0_0.0.0.alpha7.dfsg_1.1_armel.deb (83k) | 07:20 |
| Italodance | mplayer_1.0rc1_maemo.24.n8x0_armel.deb (2.3MB) | 07:20 |
| rm_you | WorkingOnWise: i install a shit-ton of stuff and i still have about 30mb left | 07:20 |
| rm_you | i might recommend checking to see if any programs you installed are storing data on the internal flash and shouldnt be | 07:21 |
| Italodance | n800 os2008 media player can read mp4 but mplaye can't read it and slow | 07:21 |
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| KotCzarny | WorkingOnWise: there are some docs/animations you can remove to free up space | 07:21 |
| rm_you | Italodance: so, would it be possible to post the file somewhere so i can test? | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | few megs of them | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:21 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: i think he said he already did that :/ | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:22 |
| Italodance | rm_you wait | 07:22 |
| rm_you | heh, well... maybe if we tell him to do that enough times, it will become true :P | 07:22 |
| WorkingOnWise | I have 15.9MB of device memory, out of 256. except the rowser, I cant imagine anything eating space yet. I have only used it for like 6 hours.... | 07:23 |
| * Mousey sounds fun | 07:23 | |
| KotCzarny | does dpkg/apt list installed package sizes? | 07:23 |
| rm_you | WorkingOnWise: so wait... it won't let you install more things? or are you talking about RAM? | 07:23 |
| rm_you | dpkg will | 07:23 |
| rm_you | dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -nr | less | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:24 |
| WorkingOnWise | it wont let me install more things...well it will now, I cleared 12MB to get the 15.9.. | 07:24 |
| rm_you | oooo | 07:24 |
| rm_you | do | 07:24 |
| rm_you | apt-get clean | 07:24 |
| Italodance | rm_you do u want my video mp4 file or ...? | 07:24 |
| rm_you | it will flush all the downloaded deb files | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | WorkingOnWise: btw. have you enabled swap? | 07:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Italodance, it wouldn't be h.264, would it? | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | (ie. virtual memory) | 07:24 |
| Mousey | will my n810 call me names if i put /usr in /mnt/mmc2? | 07:24 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i was thinking that :/ | 07:24 |
| WorkingOnWise | KotCzarny: I did...128MB | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | now | 07:25 |
| Mousey | wom-: mw roo | 07:25 |
| WorkingOnWise | KotCzarny: that went on the mmc didnt it? | 07:25 |
| rm_you | WorkingOnWise: did you put that on the SD card? | 07:25 |
| Mousey | woah, that did NOT work | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | but i wonder if it's on internal flash or sd card | 07:25 |
| * Mousey eats crow | 07:25 | |
| WorkingOnWise | i'll clean apt and check the swap location... | 07:25 |
| rm_you | Italodance: yes | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | wow: try disabling it and tell us if it freed space on internal flash | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:26 |
| rm_you | WorkingOnWise: just do apt-get clean and then see | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | erm. on builtin flash | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:26 |
| rm_you | * report back! :P | 07:26 |
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| Italodance | ok get it :D | 07:27 |
| rm_you | :) | 07:28 |
| rm_you | Italodance: DSL? | 07:28 |
| Italodance | yes adsl | 07:28 |
| rm_you | heh k | 07:28 |
| Italodance | but slow :( | 07:28 |
| rm_you | cause my download caps at 5MBps :) | 07:28 |
| rm_you | that's ... megabytes. not bits. | 07:29 |
| rm_you | <3 college inet | 07:29 |
| Italodance | rm_you my mp4 files are converted by Internet Tablet Video Converter | 07:30 |
| Italodance | infact it was an avi file then in converted to mp4 with Internet Tablet Video Converter | 07:30 |
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| Italodance | that my media player can read and show slaller size | 07:30 |
| Italodance | *smaller | 07:31 |
| rm_you | hrm | 07:31 |
| rm_you | you use windows? | 07:31 |
| rm_you | If you want to convert files into *THE BEST* format | 07:31 |
| rm_you | you can install ActivePERL for windows and use my modified 770-encode (I call it 800-encode) | 07:32 |
| rm_you | I'm fairly confident that there are no better settings for encoding video. | 07:32 |
| rm_you | (for n800) | 07:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:32 |
| Italodance | rm_you yes i have xp sp2 | 07:33 |
| Italodance | ActivePERL what is it? | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | perl for windows | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | in a short | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:34 |
| Italodance | what it can do? | 07:34 |
| rm_you | it encodes video | 07:35 |
| rm_you | :P | 07:35 |
| Italodance | for my windows? | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 07:35 |
| rm_you | for your n800 | 07:35 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:35 |
| Italodance | wow | 07:35 |
| Italodance | so please send it to me | 07:35 |
| rm_you | http://downloads.activestate.com/ActivePerl/Windows/5.10/ActivePerl-5.10.0.1002-MSWin32-x86-283697.msi | 07:36 |
| rm_you | install that first | 07:36 |
| Italodance | yes but it is a video converter? | 07:37 |
| rm_you | that is a programming language | 07:37 |
| rm_you | you need it to run the program i'm going to send you | 07:37 |
| Italodance | tell me again exactly what it can do on my windows xp? | 07:38 |
| Italodance | aha i got it | 07:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, what bitrate? | 07:38 |
| rm_you | 1400 | 07:38 |
| Italodance | rm_you which tool do u have? | 07:38 |
| rm_you | 770-encode | 07:39 |
| rm_you | it's a PERL script | 07:39 |
| Italodance | it can work for my n800 os2008? | 07:39 |
| rm_you | yes | 07:39 |
| rm_you | err... | 07:39 |
| WorkingOnWise | ok. I did gainroot then apt-get clean . No change in device storage. I removed swap and gained 128MB on the mmc and nothing on the device, so I put it back. I'm still at 15.9 MB free. | 07:39 |
| Italodance | and tell me can it convert MKV h264 files to mp4...? | 07:39 |
| Italodance | cool | 07:39 |
| rm_you | it runs on your windows XP, and converts the videos like the one you used just now | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you up the resolution? | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | WorkingOnWise: how about that dpkg line rm_you suggested? | 07:39 |
| Italodance | ok wait | 07:39 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: essentially: n800 => { abitrate => 128, vbitrate => 1400, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 }, | 07:40 |
| rm_you | but also | 07:40 |
| rm_you | forced two-pass and experimental | 07:40 |
| rm_you | and disabled autocropping | 07:40 |
| rm_you | (original-aspect) | 07:40 |
| WorkingOnWise | KotCzarny: I didnt see that....I'll scroll up... | 07:41 |
| rm_you | dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -nr | less | 07:41 |
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| Italodance | rm_you by the way do u know an encode file can read on my n800 for mplayer mp4 files? | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I've had very good success with 5xx horizontal stuff | 07:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | in the 800-1100Kbps range | 07:43 |
| rm_you | hrm | 07:43 |
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| WorkingOnWise | dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -nr | less | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Minimal framedrop on medium-action stuff untranscoded | 07:43 |
| rm_you | i tried upping the resolution, but the pixel doubling on the n800 in hardware is so good that it never passed the awesome of just having a very high bitrate | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:44 |
| Italodance | rm_you yes? | 07:44 |
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| rm_you | Italodance: what? i didnt understand your question, sorry | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Arbitrary scaling is free on the N800 | 07:45 |
| rm_you | Why are you focused on using mp4 files? avi files encoded with xvid work MUCH better | 07:45 |
| Italodance | rm_you do u know an encode file for play mplayer mp4 files on n800? | 07:45 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: but past a certain number, the video pipeline doesnt have enough bandwidth to handle it | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5xx horizontal is that number. ;) | 07:46 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: do you understand Italodance's question? | 07:46 |
| WorkingOnWise | where do i get less from? | 07:46 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yeah... still... didnt see enough improvement to merit it. | 07:46 |
| rm_you | and trust me, i tried | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | wow: use 'more' instead of 'less' | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | "trust" . . . never! :P | 07:46 |
| rm_you | WorkingOnWise: dont worry about it... replace "less" with "more" | 07:46 |
| WorkingOnWise | ok | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The big benefit for me is not having to transcode or reencode | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | so, meh. | 07:46 |
| Italodance | rm_you well i always use Internet Tablet Video Converter and it can only convert to mp4 | 07:47 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I have a transcoding pipeline set up :P | 07:47 |
| rm_you | Italodance: which is why i said i don't like it :) | 07:47 |
| rm_you | because mp4 doesnt work well | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, yeah. | 07:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | But CPU time isn't free. | 07:47 |
| rm_you | it is for me | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: i have played 720x448 @ 24fps (~700kbit) on my n800 :) | 07:47 |
| Italodance | ok wait friend i am downloading active perl.. | 07:47 |
| * rm_you has 120 CPUs set up in a botnet, awaiting his command | 07:48 | |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: and did it melt? :P | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 07:48 |
| Navi | care to share? | 07:48 |
| KotCzarny | played quite well | 07:48 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: can you send me that file? :P | 07:48 |
| * Brains is sure that KotCzarny has documented it somewhere for posterity. | 07:48 | |
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| KotCzarny | and only minimal framedrop on complicated scenes | 07:48 |
| rm_you | ick, framedrop >_> | 07:48 |
| rm_you | everything i play would be framedropping constantly then | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: but just in a really expensive scenes | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:49 |
| rm_you | all my stuff is *really* high motion AMVs | 07:49 |
| WorkingOnWise | rm_you: what am I loking for in the output of dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -nr | more ? | 07:49 |
| rm_you | look at the packages | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody ever get around to listening to Ari's talk on open source stuff? | 07:49 |
| rm_you | the ones at the top (with larger numbers) are the ones taking up the most space | 07:49 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ? | 07:50 |
| rm_you | again... | 07:50 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: can you send me that file? :P | 07:50 |
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| KotCzarny | rm_you: huh, ok, join #kotc | 07:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:51 |
| Grackle | This is awesome. I just set up the maemo vmware sdk on my second monitor, visible on all workstations, with open-vm-tools enabled. http://labs.beffa.org/w2box/demo/data/awesome.png | 07:51 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: just use DCC or /notice ? | 07:51 |
| KotCzarny | i'm not registered | 07:51 |
| rm_you | >_> | 07:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=156212#post156212 | 07:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I haven't decided if it's worth my time to listen to it yet. :P | 07:52 |
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| WorkingOnWise | I dont see anything alarming...I just need more than the 256 of storage..so booting from the mmc may be my solution huh? or, can I map the largest folder in the filesystem to the mmc? would that be simpler and just as effective? | 07:53 |
| Italodance | rm_you i installed activeperl now what? | 07:53 |
| rm_you | WorkingOnWise: actually, that could work | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd just extend the rootfs to SD | 07:53 |
| rm_you | Italodance: one second | 07:53 |
| KotCzarny | as long you don't eject the card :> | 07:53 |
| WorkingOnWise | I dont remember the dir structure of Linux without looking it up, but the default apps folder is the one I am thinkin of mapping to the mmc, th one under the rear cover... I can use fstab to do that, like I do on a PC? | 07:55 |
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| KotCzarny | well.. if you have the card formatted to ext3.. or ext2 | 07:56 |
| KotCzarny | if it's a vfat you can run into a problems | 07:56 |
| WorkingOnWise | I can format it on the laptop... | 07:57 |
| KotCzarny | still, i think you will benefit from mmc boot | 07:57 |
| WorkingOnWise | does the N800 support the journaling abilities of ext3. or reiserfs? | 07:57 |
| rm_you | WorkingOnWise: to use ext2 you will need to install the kernel module | 07:58 |
| WorkingOnWise | I'll look into the mmc boot. I saw it but didnt see a need...lol | 07:58 |
| rm_you | might be an ext3 module as well... not sure | 07:58 |
| WorkingOnWise | what fs is the N800 using in the flash? | 07:59 |
| KotCzarny | builtin? jffs2 | 07:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | ext3 works | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | jff2s | 07:59 |
| Italodance | . | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a flash-specific fs | 08:00 |
| rm_you | Italodance: looking for the newest version | 08:00 |
| Italodance | tnx :D | 08:00 |
| WorkingOnWise | GeneralAntilles: where is a good howto, or good google search terms, to get ext3 working on the N800? | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a general overview of dual-booting. | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be some links in there to other info | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't recall any offhand | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | May check the ITT wiki, too. | 08:02 |
| WorkingOnWise | nevr considered this on a desktop, but is there too much overhead on a tablet to make ext3 a good fs to use? | 08:02 |
| rm_you | look at: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card/ | 08:02 |
| rm_you | Italodance: do you watch Anime? | 08:03 |
| WorkingOnWise | this thing is just amazing! it really is a mini pc with a touch screen interface...wow | 08:04 |
| rm_you | yes :) | 08:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:05 |
| Italodance | rm_you no! | 08:05 |
| rm_you | lol | 08:05 |
| Italodance | why :D ? | 08:05 |
| rm_you | i was gonna send you a sample video in the meantime | 08:06 |
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| rm_you | so you could compare quality | 08:06 |
| Italodance | i trust in u | 08:06 |
| rm_you | lol | 08:06 |
| Italodance | just send the tool i need to test it here :D | 08:06 |
| Italodance | tell me ur mplayer can read ur mp4 file (converted files by Internet Tablet Video Converter) good? | 08:07 |
| Italodance | yes can play? | 08:07 |
| konttori | sure, it works fine | 08:08 |
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| Italodance | so what is my problem then :( mplayer need other install file to do it? | 08:09 |
| rm_you | Italodance: sec... | 08:09 |
| rm_you | wow, annoying | 08:12 |
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| rm_you | Italodance: sending you file | 08:15 |
| Italodance | ok | 08:16 |
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| Italodance | what is it https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=455&release_id=1150? | 08:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | mediaserv? | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an on-demand on-the-fly transcoding server | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | mediautils.garage.maemo.org | 08:20 |
| rm_you | mediautils is excellent | 08:20 |
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| rm_you | in fact, the old 770-encode script was rolled into that package and renamed tablet-encode | 08:21 |
| rm_you | but it isn't as good now >_> | 08:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howso? | 08:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's only gotten better for me. | 08:21 |
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| rm_you | they added all kinda of cruft | 08:23 |
| Italodance | rm_you i am waiting for u | 08:23 |
| rm_you | Italodance: i keep trying to send it... | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | "they" | 08:23 |
| rm_you | are you not getting it? | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a stupid mencoder wrapper | 08:23 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: people | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | What kind of kruft can there be? :P | 08:23 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i think Jaffa was the main author | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just Jaffa. | 08:23 |
| rm_you | yeah | 08:23 |
| rm_you | well, a GUI for instance | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't have to use it. :P | 08:23 |
| rm_you | cruft! | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not like it impacts performance by being there. :P | 08:24 |
| rm_you | it doesn't have my optimizations! :P | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Change a LINE | 08:24 |
| Italodance | ok | 08:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | tablet-encode -p best -o -c | 08:25 |
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| Italodance | guys how can i add tar.gz files to my tablet? where is the place? | 08:26 |
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| KotCzarny | you have to compile them first | 08:26 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 08:26 |
| KotCzarny | assuming you're talking about source packages | 08:27 |
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| Italodance | ? | 08:27 |
| KotCzarny | italodance: you should really invest in some 'learning linux' book | 08:28 |
| Italodance | KotCzarny yes u right | 08:29 |
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| Italodance | where can i copy tablet-encode-2.17.tar.gz ? | 08:42 |
| Italodance | on my n800? | 08:42 |
| Navi | you don't run it from the tablet | 08:43 |
| Italodance | ok so where? | 08:44 |
| Italodance | where i should copy these files? | 08:45 |
| rm_you | you run them on your PC | 08:45 |
| rm_you | first untar it | 08:45 |
| Italodance | and | 08:46 |
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| Italodance | next? | 08:46 |
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| Navi | you run it | 08:47 |
| rm_you | with activeperl | 08:47 |
| Italodance | run with what? the format is unnkown | 08:47 |
| Italodance | oh | 08:47 |
| rm_you | you | 08:47 |
| Italodance | yes | 08:47 |
| rm_you | you'll want to do it in a console | 08:47 |
| rm_you | like... Start -> Run -> cmd | 08:48 |
| Italodance | yeah | 08:48 |
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| Italodance | rm_you u don't find that tool? | 08:51 |
| rm_you | ? | 08:51 |
| Italodance | <rm_you> you can install ActivePERL for windows and use my modified 770-encode (I call it 800-encode) | 08:51 |
| rm_you | so, you installed activePERL? | 08:52 |
| Italodance | yes | 08:52 |
| Italodance | it's here and run | 08:52 |
| Italodance | i am on perl package manager | 08:52 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: what're the modifications (770-encode is now tablet-encode) | 08:52 |
| rm_you | yes | 08:52 |
| Italodance | now what i should do? | 08:53 |
| rm_you | i suppose i could make a patch against tablet-encode :P | 08:53 |
| rm_you | it's just that all of the tablet-encode settings are unnecessarily low | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | add profiles? | 08:54 |
| rm_you | Italodance: sec | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | -l/-n/-h ? :) | 08:54 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: yes, *I* have | 08:54 |
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| Navi | what settings do you use for your video? | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | low/normal/high | 08:54 |
| rm_you | tablet-encode's "best" quality is about 1/4th the bitrate and lower FPS/size than the one i use | 08:55 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: GeneralAntilles has bumped his "best" too; if it really is too low for things which in 99.999% of the time play OK, I'll bump it up | 08:55 |
| rm_you | n800 => { abitrate => 128, vbitrate => 1400, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 } | 08:55 |
| Jaffa | And the GUI is about 100 lines | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd just leave it. | 08:56 |
| rm_you | lol yeah, i just like bashing GUIs :P | 08:56 |
| rm_you | ignore that | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe make a note that some people have had luck with higher bitrates and resolutions. | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think you'll be pushing the limits just a touch if you go much higher. | 08:56 |
| rm_you | that plays super-high motion | 08:56 |
| rm_you | and works with a2dp | 08:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the current settings work well with Media player. | 08:57 |
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| rm_you | yeah, mine is designed with mplayer in mind | 08:57 |
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| Jaffa | I'll add it as an 'mplayer' preset | 08:57 |
| rm_you | that's the problem | 08:57 |
| Jaffa | anyway, train time | 08:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later. | 08:57 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: later! | 08:58 |
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| rm_you | Jaffa: just to be clear, i'm really just noting some minor personal preferences... like I said: <rm_you> mediautils is excellent | 09:00 |
| rm_you | :P | 09:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | You just like bitching. :P | 09:00 |
| rm_you | I *really* do | 09:00 |
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| rm_you | especially about GUIs :P | 09:00 |
| rm_you | GUIs make people weak | 09:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | They have their place. :P | 09:01 |
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| rm_you | if you don't know how to do it on a CLI, you shouldnt be allowed to do it with a GUI | 09:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 09:01 |
| rm_you | and it should still be discouraged | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just like you shouldn't be allowed to drive a car because you can't change the master cylinder? | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: tell that to m$ | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or be a passenger on an airplane because you can't fly a pattern? | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | they still don't have decent cli | 09:02 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: somewhat. I've been learning about engines for that reason, actually | 09:02 |
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| Navi | That's a rather unfair comparison anyways >_> | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | and their 'monad' is trumpeted as ground breaking | 09:02 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: the airplane one isnt accurate tho, yes | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Absolutes rarely serve anybody well. | 09:03 |
| Navi | CLI apps are fully functional without their GUI counterparts | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | The basis for our society is specialization | 09:03 |
| Navi | and can be used in place of them | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Expecting everybody to be good at everything is naive and stupid. | 09:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why should a neurosurgeon be required to know bash to use his computer? | 09:04 |
| Italodance | Media_Converter_Windows_1[1].43_setup didn't work on my win why? | 09:04 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: for the most part, people don't even use GUIs right unless they actually understand what is going on... and to understand what is going on, you need to understand the program without the graphical clutter, IE be able to use it in CLI mode | 09:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I understand (and partially agree with) the spirit of it, but applying your personal standards to other people (especially other people with much greater specialization than yourself) is stupid. | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know my dad certainly doesn't have the time to learn how to use DOS. | 09:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's got MUCH better things to do with his time. | 09:06 |
| rm_you | well, if all you want to do is check your email, then you dont need to know any of this stuff, and thats fine | 09:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what you seemed to be implying. <_< | 09:07 |
| rm_you | but if you want to do anything complicated, you need to understand more than the basics | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | or just hire someone | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | to do it | 09:07 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:07 |
| rm_you | kind of like, if you just want to drive your car to the store, then it doesnt really matter if you know how it works | 09:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Your position seems to have changed since we started this discussion. :P | 09:08 |
| rm_you | but if you want to race it or to stunt driving (like i do), then you need to understand intimately how every part works | 09:08 |
| rm_you | at the start of this discussion we were talking about a video encoder | 09:08 |
| rm_you | which is not a simple task :P | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, there's no reason it shouldn't be. | 09:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | A user shouldn't need to concern themselves with formats and bitrates. | 09:08 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: otoh, do you know the innards of xvid? :> | 09:08 |
| Navi | My brother uses an ffmpeg frontend on windows | 09:08 |
| Navi | has the full range of options available with ffmpeg from the command line | 09:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Honestly, the fact that they DO is indicative of a broken system. | 09:09 |
| rm_you | KotCzarny: I know how it works... i dont understand the math, but i'm familiar with the different types of frames, how it goes about choosing which pixels to discard, etc | 09:09 |
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| KotCzarny | rm_you: i think it's all about getting the results | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | this way or the other | 09:10 |
| rm_you | and i didn't say you had to be able to CODE the program, just to be able to use it in CLI :P | 09:10 |
| KotCzarny | be it cli or gui | 09:11 |
| Italodance | sorry again Media_Converter_Windows_1[1].43_setup didn't work on my win why? ? | 09:11 |
| pupnik | win = lose | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | less = more | 09:12 |
| rm_you | I would postulate that a person will get better results if they actually understand what the options DO | 09:12 |
| Proteous | less > more | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: good enough [tm] | 09:12 |
| rm_you | spending enough time to learn the CLI generally leads to a better idea of what is actually happening | 09:12 |
| rm_you | and leads to better results | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Time is money. | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | you are happy with 400x200 vids | 09:12 |
| Navi | I waste a lot of money then | 09:12 |
| rm_you | 400x240:P | 09:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | The opportunity cost of learning the CLI system is usually a lot greater than the benefits. | 09:13 |
| Navi | depends on the app | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | learning cli in *nix is essential | 09:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | For a non-poweruser. | 09:13 |
| Navi | depends on the app | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | "usually" | 09:14 |
| jku | GeneralAntilles, the opportunity cost idea is what gives us the braindeadness of most Windows apps | 09:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | GUI philosophies are unrelated to this discussion. :P | 09:15 |
| rm_you | not necessarily | 09:15 |
| Italodance | :""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""( | 09:16 |
| rm_you | my comments are only really applicable to GUIs that try to make using a program "simple" | 09:16 |
| rm_you | if your idea of a gui is a screen with a huge command line, and each option is mapped with a checkbox, and suboptions and dropdowns... | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: but you have to admit after you fiddle with settings you write a script that uses predefined sets of options | 09:18 |
| KotCzarny | to simplify | 09:18 |
| rm_you | like, say you had a gui with: "mencoder [--oac {mp3lame, pcm, copy}] [--ofps {1-30}] [--oac {x264,xvid,lavc}] [filename] -o [filename]" | 09:18 |
| rm_you | where [] is a checked option, and {} are dropdowns | 09:18 |
| rm_you | that would be neat | 09:18 |
| rm_you | :P | 09:19 |
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| Navi | My brother found one | 09:19 |
| Navi | I was talking about it earlier, it supports ffmpeg, mencoder, and two other things | 09:19 |
| rm_you | i should make a mockup of that :P | 09:19 |
| rm_you | just have every mencoder option mapped out into a GUI | 09:19 |
| Italodance | Media_Converter_Windows didn't work here? is it needs java? | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: in ascii | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:19 |
| rm_you | and make it assemble the commandline in realtime at the bottom | 09:20 |
| rm_you | and then just have an Execute button | 09:20 |
| rm_you | :P | 09:20 |
| Navi | the window is huge | 09:20 |
| rm_you | "Super" the video encoder frontend is like that | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: mencodersh | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:20 |
| rm_you | its a windows app that acts as a frontend for mencoder/ffmpeg/producer | 09:20 |
| Italodance | what can i do now? | 09:20 |
| Navi | I think that's it | 09:21 |
| rm_you | Italodance: what language do you speak natively? | 09:21 |
| Italodance | farsi | 09:22 |
| rm_you | hrm | 09:22 |
| rm_you | damn, was hoping it was something i knew (though that isnt likely) | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:23 |
| jku | wow, a guy on maemo-developers CCs Jorma Ollila | 09:23 |
| jku | that'll do a lot good, no doubt | 09:23 |
| Italodance | who? | 09:23 |
| rm_you | lol? | 09:23 |
| Italodance | pleas reply Media_Converter_Windows didn't work here? is it needs java?????? | 09:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorma_Ollila | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 09:24 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.nokia.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_4591 | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:29 |
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| Italodance | my win can't read / run Media_Converter | 09:35 |
| Italodance | :( | 09:35 |
| Italodance | please help this one | 09:37 |
| Italodance | i really need it | 09:40 |
| T0b0tras- | Italodance: convert to unix, then come again :) | 09:45 |
| Italodance | unix what is it? | 09:46 |
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| KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix | 09:47 |
| Italodance | ok 1 sec | 09:47 |
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| jeddy3 | :D | 09:48 |
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| Italodance | i need to install java too http://www.java.com/en/download/help/win_offline.xml#download? | 09:49 |
| Italodance | 1.4 | 09:49 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 09:51 |
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| christefano | is there a command line equivalent for the application manager? | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | apt | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | or dpkg | 10:35 |
| christefano | I'm used to using aptitude. which of the two do you recommend? | 10:36 |
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| KotCzarny | i don't know, depends what you want to do | 10:37 |
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| christefano | the problem I have with the application manager GUI is that it won't update all programs, only one at a time | 10:37 |
| KotCzarny | apt-get can upgrade/install all dependencies in one go | 10:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | apt-get | 10:45 |
| jku | christefano, apt-get is what you're looking for, dpkg is a for installing actual .deb packages | 10:45 |
| Mikho | isn't apt-get too about installing .deb packages? | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:48 |
| jku | higher level: solve dependencies, download packages, install packages | 10:48 |
| christefano | how do I get apt-get on my tablet? | 10:48 |
| jku | it's there | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | you probably have it already | 10:48 |
| christefano | oh, good | 10:48 |
| christefano | thanks | 10:48 |
| Mikho | speaking of apt-get, how do you make it so that you get a list about available packages when you type something and then press tab | 10:51 |
| Mikho | it works on my host environment, but not in scratchbox :/ | 10:51 |
| Mikho | it's sometimes a bit of a hassle to figure out the correct package name | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg -l |grep ? | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | but it may be for installed only, hum | 10:52 |
| jku | Mikho, haven't tried, but this should work: | 10:52 |
| jku | uncomment the bash completion stuff in /etc/bash.bashrc | 10:52 |
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| jku | it's not guaranteed that the same completion dictionaries are there of course... | 10:53 |
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| leo2007 | has someone ported abiword 2.60 to n8x0? | 10:54 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 10:54 |
| Mikho | well, the autocompletion works, but it tries to find out files in my working directory, not the available packages | 10:55 |
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| KotCzarny | leo2007: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5423 ? | 10:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | leo2007, it's in private beta right now. | 10:55 |
| jku | apparently it wasn't an easy port: the first "Abiword is ready for Maemo 4.x" is from five months ago... | 10:56 |
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| warlock86 | hello | 11:14 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 11:51 |
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| warlock86 | anyone could tell me what's wrong with this .instal, please? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gjiten/ (I'm using IT2008) | 12:21 |
| kulve | it's in 2007 format? | 12:22 |
| X-Fade | For one that it creates yet another repository :) | 12:22 |
| Spakman | anyone know how I can get drag scrolling to work on my Gtk::TreeView? That is, I don't want to select an item when dragging, only when tapping? | 12:23 |
| kulve | warlock86: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application_packages.html | 12:23 |
| kulve | "Adding Catalogues" | 12:23 |
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| warlock86 | thanks, kulve | 12:25 |
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| scour- | umm why does my hildon application look totally different when i run it after i execute sudo gainroot? :P | 12:28 |
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| scour- | + hildon gives segmentation faults | 12:28 |
| dtahtbot | scour-: Error: "hildon" is not a valid command. | 12:28 |
| johnx | the environment variables probably get wiped when you "gainroot" | 12:29 |
| scour- | oh. thanks | 12:30 |
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| wom- | ah, finally shell is on wtf-8 and i can see scandinavian öäöä properly :D | 13:27 |
| wom- | with N810 :) | 13:27 |
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| Veggen | wom: I'm n819-exclusive this easter, and am in the process of improving the keyboard layout. got rid of the menu for an extra ctrl, for example. | 13:29 |
| Veggen | n810. | 13:29 |
| inz | wom, does the built in terminal support something else than wtf-8? | 13:30 |
| wom- | inz: well utf-8 is the only thing that is working for me. so i dont know :) | 13:31 |
| wom- | Veggen: nice | 13:31 |
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| Veggen | but wtf is pageup, in xkb-symbols? | 13:33 |
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| Veggen | I want to put it on shift-up | 13:33 |
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| wom- | also 'alt' would be nice for irssi usage | 13:34 |
| Veggen | mmm. but where? | 13:35 |
| wom- | 'esc' is in on-screen part and that makes it little bit difficult to use | 13:35 |
| wom- | shift-fn perhaps | 13:35 |
| wom- | ah too difficult | 13:35 |
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| Veggen | esc is the round arrow. | 13:35 |
| Veggen | i can live with that. | 13:36 |
| wom- | round arrow? | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | wom-: back | 13:36 |
| wom- | ah | 13:36 |
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| Veggen | on left side of screen. | 13:36 |
| wom- | didn't realise that.. every day something new :) | 13:37 |
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| Veggen | but anyone got the symbol for pageup? | 13:42 |
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| kulve | Page_Up? | 13:45 |
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| Veggen | kulve: is it? | 13:49 |
| inz | For what use? | 13:50 |
| kulve | Veggen: I could guess so. Not 100% sure though | 13:51 |
| kulve | would | 13:51 |
| inz | Ahh, xkb, missed that | 13:52 |
| Veggen | inz: xkb | 13:52 |
| Veggen | optimizing it for my usage. | 13:52 |
| Veggen | no on-screen, no difficult combinations is the goal. | 13:53 |
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| Veggen | hmmf. can't get pageup to work. | 13:54 |
| AStorm | hello | 13:54 |
| kulve | difficult combinations? I put | to FN+shift+q :) | 13:54 |
| AStorm | I'm having a problem with application manager | 13:54 |
| inz | Veggen, how about KP_Prior? | 13:54 |
| AStorm | that is the application name field resized somehow | 13:54 |
| AStorm | and I can't make it large again... | 13:55 |
| kulve | Veggen: or KP_Page_Up ? | 13:55 |
| inz | Veggen, or plain Prior | 13:55 |
| kulve | or x, or y, or.. ;) | 13:55 |
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| kulve | I used /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h for guessing the symbols.. Not sure what would be the right place | 13:56 |
| AStorm | any ideas? | 13:57 |
| AStorm | version field now takes 1/2 of the width | 13:57 |
| johnx | I've heard it's because of long version strings | 13:58 |
| johnx | are you in red pill mode? | 13:58 |
| Veggen | it is. | 13:58 |
| kulve | Veggen: it is what? | 13:58 |
| AStorm | i am, but there are no long version strings around... | 13:59 |
| AStorm | ah no! | 13:59 |
| Veggen | for the adventurous: upgrade apt and application manager, that's what I did :) | 13:59 |
| AStorm | zorg-omap :P | 13:59 |
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| Veggen | http://vegard.engen.priv.no/blog/ | 13:59 |
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| Veggen | hmm. no, now it scrolls xterm but not irssi... | 14:01 |
| Veggen | (shift-up) | 14:01 |
| inz | Veggen, what symbol was that? | 14:02 |
| kulve | tell us! | 14:03 |
| Veggen | KP_Prior | 14:04 |
| inz | Veggen, try plain Prior then, maybe that works better | 14:04 |
| kulve | According to xev my desktop seems to send Prior and Next from page up and down.. | 14:05 |
| Veggen | hmm. doesn't seem to work in irssi. | 14:06 |
| inz | :/ | 14:06 |
| kulve | inz: what does the osso-xterm send when clicking those page up/down buttons? They do scroll irssi too | 14:07 |
| kulve | or is it somehow a different case whether the xterm is sending them or somebody else (X) is sending them to xterm..? | 14:08 |
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| inz | kulve, it sends GDK_Page_Up | 14:08 |
| Veggen | hmmf. | 14:08 |
| inz | kulve, which I would imagine is what Prior should map into | 14:09 |
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| Veggen | prior also made xterm scroll. | 14:10 |
| AStorm | ;p | 14:11 |
| AStorm | these pkgs from blog don't have the mangled deps | 14:11 |
| AStorm | how do i ix them? (hildon-aplication-manager) | 14:11 |
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| johnx | use ar to extract the .deb, use tar to extract the control.tar.gz in it, muck about with control til it looks right, repack the control.tar.gz, then repack the deb | 14:12 |
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| kulve | or install in red pill mode? | 14:12 |
| kulve | (if we are talking only about the section -thing) | 14:13 |
| johnx | does red pill cause a Debian "Conflicts" to be ignored? | 14:13 |
| kulve | no :) | 14:13 |
| johnx | first of all ... good! second of all that won't work for him, then :) | 14:13 |
| Veggen | AStorm: pkgs from blog wrong? | 14:14 |
| kulve | but unless the package is very buggy, there should be a reason for those conflicts.. | 14:14 |
| AStorm | Veggen: yup | 14:14 |
| AStorm | kulve: well, it should provide hildon-update-notifier too | 14:14 |
| johnx | kulve, read the aforementioned blog, this is actually a special case... | 14:14 |
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| Veggen | you'll need to update them all at once and accept to lose osso-software-version. | 14:14 |
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| AStorm | i don't need that | 14:15 |
| AStorm | and how do I update them all at once? | 14:15 |
| Veggen | and it's sorta high-risk behavior. i.e. be sure to back up first :) | 14:15 |
| AStorm | I've updated apt and apt-utils | 14:15 |
| AStorm | Veggen: it's a freshly reflashed N810 ;P | 14:15 |
| AStorm | no need for backups | 14:15 |
| AStorm | btw, I have to flash that better bootloader... last time I tried, it failed miserably | 14:16 |
| AStorm | had to reflash | 14:16 |
| Veggen | ok, do it in shell, with dpkg. | 14:16 |
| AStorm | mhm | 14:16 |
| AStorm | well, now dpkg doesn't want to update | 14:16 |
| Veggen | hmm? | 14:16 |
| AStorm | vs hildon-update-notifier | 14:16 |
| Veggen | oh. hmm. I thought I fixed that. | 14:17 |
| AStorm | osso-af deps on update-notifier | 14:17 |
| AStorm | :| | 14:18 |
| AStorm | and some nokia-repository | 14:18 |
| AStorm | care to repack the pkgs for me? | 14:19 |
| Veggen | well, application manager doesn't really conflict. but it has no need for it anymore, so it says it conflicts. | 14:19 |
| AStorm | heh | 14:19 |
| Veggen | I thought I repackaged to fix that. | 14:19 |
| AStorm | add a provide for hildon-update-notifier... that might fix stuff | 14:19 |
| Veggen | well. my build-machine is dead. I'm pure n810 right now. | 14:20 |
| AStorm | :> | 14:20 |
| AStorm | if you have ar... I don't | 14:20 |
| AStorm | Can repack it on this machine, but it'll take a short while | 14:21 |
| Veggen | It will probably take longer for me, using n810 :) | 14:21 |
| AStorm | you didn't remove the conflict | 14:22 |
| AStorm | fail! | 14:22 |
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| Veggen | just remove the conflict, and it'll work. i think. | 14:24 |
| AStorm | I'll add the provide too | 14:24 |
| AStorm | less breakage | 14:24 |
| Veggen | no. don't think so. think things depend on specific version. but ok, you can try. | 14:25 |
| aquatix | hm | 14:27 |
| Veggen | hmm. nuts. I think I'll install Ubuntu or such on an old VIA-thing tonight. I need a build-environment :) | 14:27 |
| aquatix | why does the hildon installer fail on updates every time? | 14:27 |
| aquatix | apt-get dist-upgrades work | 14:27 |
| AStorm | Veggen: try the pkg from http://astralstorm.bounceme.net/ | 14:27 |
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| AStorm | blah, noip failed to start ;P | 14:28 |
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| AStorm | and now it works | 14:30 |
| AStorm | the package does too | 14:30 |
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| AStorm | hmm, some I18N strings are broken | 14:32 |
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| AStorm | e.g. "ai_tb_update_all" | 14:33 |
| AStorm | so, please redo the package with proper l10n | 14:33 |
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| AStorm | "ai_ni_software_update_installed" ;P | 14:33 |
| Veggen | mmm, will look at it later :) | 14:34 |
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| AStorm | wheee split | 14:34 |
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| AStorm | now, where did i put that new rtcomm | 14:38 |
| AStorm | first, I'll move that to mmc2 | 14:39 |
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| warlock86 | anyone has installed scim for using input methods? when I install it the on-screen keyboard doesn't appear, and the hardware keyboard of my device also works in a strange way... | 14:43 |
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| AStorm | heh | 14:45 |
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| lopz | hi | 14:57 |
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| AStorm | hmm, i'm missing avahi for newest rtcom | 14:58 |
| AStorm | which repo do i hve to add? | 14:58 |
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| AStorm | should be in extras | 15:02 |
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| AStorm | but rtcom is still complaining | 15:02 |
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| AStorm | ok, now it's good | 15:04 |
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| Veggen | but, why doesn't my dpad-modifications work in irssi? | 15:05 |
| Veggen | hmf. | 15:05 |
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| inz | your irssi ist kaputt! | 15:06 |
| Veggen | nah. pgup/down in xterm works. | 15:06 |
| Veggen | (the on-screen ones) | 15:06 |
| inz | weird | 15:07 |
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| Veggen | xev says it emits Prior when I press shift-up, but in my irssi it doesn't do anything. shouldn't matter that the irssi is running remote either... | 15:08 |
| kulve | my irssi (remote screen over ssh) work on Prior and Next | 15:09 |
| kulve | +s | 15:09 |
| dtahtbot | kulve: Error: "s" is not a valid command. | 15:09 |
| kulve | s/work/works/ | 15:09 |
| kulve | dtahtbot: help | 15:10 |
| dtahtbot | kulve: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 15:10 |
| kulve | dtahtbot: help foo | 15:10 |
| dtahtbot | kulve: Error: There is no command "foo". | 15:10 |
| Veggen | kulve: could the dpad be special? but it emits Prior/next... | 15:11 |
| kulve | Veggen: are you using xev (or something similar) to make sure it sends what you are expecting it to send? | 15:11 |
| Veggen | yes. | 15:11 |
| Veggen | Prior/Next, says xev. | 15:12 |
| kulve | sounds like the osso-xterm is eating the key presses then? | 15:12 |
| inz | Veggen, I would guess the problem is the shift | 15:12 |
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| kulve | Veggen: try mapping the Prior to something which is only a single key.. | 15:13 |
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| inz | Gnome-terminal (which uses vte, like osso-xterm), scrolls on shift+pgup, but irssi doesn't | 15:13 |
| warlock86 | bye! | 15:14 |
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| lcdd | osso-xterm highlights urls but can it do anything else with them? | 15:15 |
| AStorm | yes, launch in browser | 15:15 |
| kulve | my xterm scrolls up/down with shift+pgup/down and without the shift, irssi scrolls | 15:15 |
| AStorm | just hold the stick/finger on it | 15:15 |
| lcdd | sigh, i've missed that somehow | 15:16 |
| inz | AStorm, does that work in the 2008 "bundled" xterm? | 15:17 |
| AStorm | yes | 15:17 |
| AStorm | it's a right click | 15:17 |
| inz | AStorm, oh, I though they broke it | 15:17 |
| Veggen | i think you're right. worked if i remApped SmAll A. but it wAsn't A good ideA :) | 15:18 |
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| Veggen | ah - there. | 15:18 |
| Veggen | is there an xkb way to fix that? i.e. make irssi think shift isn't pressed? | 15:20 |
| inz | AStorm, I only have "New window" and "Paste" in the context menu... | 15:20 |
| jott | Veggen: i use Page_Up / Page_Down in my xkb and it works fine with irssi | 15:20 |
| Veggen | but not on shift-up (on dpad) ? | 15:21 |
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| jott | hmm i bound it to Chr+Backspace / Chr+Return .. | 15:21 |
| jott | i use shift+dpad to select text sometimes | 15:22 |
| Veggen | hmm. i can perhaps live with that.. | 15:22 |
| Veggen | oh, shidt-dpad selects text? | 15:22 |
| jott | well like shift cursor does in many apps :) | 15:23 |
| AStorm | :P | 15:23 |
| AStorm | playing lxdoom with keyboard is quite effective | 15:23 |
| AStorm | now I need QuakeWorld on it ;P | 15:24 |
| jott | hmm psdoom would be fun.. if you kill the wrong process the watchdog will reboot :) | 15:24 |
| AStorm | lol | 15:25 |
| Veggen | jott: hmm, you need to make enter/backspace EIGHT_LEVEL then? | 15:25 |
| AStorm | now, I need a BT mouse ;P | 15:25 |
| AStorm | and build some stand for n810 | 15:25 |
| AStorm | "XYZ ate rocket from | 15:26 |
| AStorm | NokieN810Player" | 15:26 |
| AStorm | *Nokia | 15:26 |
| jott | yeah and remap Chr ( <COMP> ) to ISO_Level5_Shift | 15:26 |
| AStorm | what about mapping it to compose? | 15:26 |
| jott | you'll also get rid of the stupid char selection bar when pressing chr then :) | 15:26 |
| AStorm | I need some ogonki (singular: ogonek) | 15:27 |
| AStorm | tab, esc, pipe, pageup/down on hw keyboard would rock too | 15:27 |
| AStorm | and {} [] | 15:28 |
| jott | i have all of them mapped <;) | 15:28 |
| AStorm | have some spare german keys to remap | 15:28 |
| AStorm | gimme the file :D | 15:28 |
| AStorm | the only diff is that I have a german keyboard | 15:28 |
| AStorm | I'd like to keep most of the signs | 15:28 |
| jott | diff to what :> | 15:29 |
| AStorm | diff vs german layout | 15:29 |
| * jott also got a german layout ;) | 15:29 | |
| AStorm | aha! so, give me the file, then | 15:29 |
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| AStorm | I'll just have to change a few keys, have compose and some diacritics (ownage) | 15:30 |
| jott | i've very bad signal atm to my n810 | 15:30 |
| AStorm | jott: well... does it matter? send it over lan or something | 15:30 |
| AStorm | ukeyboard, right? | 15:30 |
| jott | no usb atm, but i can stand the lag ;) | 15:31 |
| AStorm | heh | 15:31 |
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| jott | AStorm: this is my current layout http://pastebin.ca/948822 but i still want to optimize it :) | 15:33 |
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| jott | but you can use the eight_level with it :) | 15:33 |
| Veggen | hmm. chr selection bar might come handy... | 15:34 |
| AStorm | 8 shift levels? wtf? | 15:34 |
| AStorm | Veggen: yup, make it appear on shift+chr | 15:34 |
| AStorm | :> | 15:34 |
| AStorm | normal chr is just overkill | 15:34 |
| Veggen | astorm: hmm. | 15:35 |
| jott | just remember the mappings and you won't need the bar ;) | 15:35 |
| AStorm | the bar is useful for e.g. rarely entered currency symbols | 15:35 |
| Veggen | mm. | 15:35 |
| AStorm | paragraph/section symbol | 15:35 |
| Veggen | but shift-chr would be ok. | 15:35 |
| jott | Chr+Shift+Fn+q or something would be sufficient for the bar :) | 15:35 |
| kulve | especially when the keyboard supports only two simultaneous keypresses ;) | 15:36 |
| AStorm | but it has locking keys | 15:36 |
| AStorm | :P | 15:36 |
| jott | hehe stick it :) | 15:36 |
| AStorm | so you can go all emacs on it | 15:36 |
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| dospod | hey | 15:50 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:53 |
| dospod | g'mornin yall | 15:53 |
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| mwaldron | anyone here able to help me with some clone os to sd card questions? prolly best via pms | 16:07 |
| kulve | I used gnu tar for that | 16:08 |
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| mwaldron | i'm following the tutorial on itt but i get e2fsprogs no installation canidate | 16:09 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_BootRootFSFromMMC/ | 16:10 |
| kulve | I followed that one | 16:10 |
| kulve | "Alternative 2" and the tar, not rsync | 16:10 |
| kulve | and I use the initfs bootmenu instead of choosing the rootfs with flasher | 16:11 |
| mwaldron | hrm, that procedure doesn't list 810 or os2008 as tested | 16:11 |
| kulve | nope, but I've used the same thing for 2007 and for 2008 | 16:12 |
| kulve | the risk is your of course, as always :) | 16:12 |
| mwaldron | heh of course | 16:12 |
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| AStorm | kulve: hw can I flash the new initrd with the partition switcher? | 16:15 |
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| AStorm | i've tried initfs_flasher and it made my n810 reboot all the time | 16:16 |
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| AStorm | had to reflash | 16:16 |
| kulve | flasher --flash-only initfs -F /path/to/fiasco -f | 16:18 |
| kulve | something like that | 16:18 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 16:24 |
| AStorm | but that one has some add. apps | 16:24 |
| AStorm | and menu | 16:24 |
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| jdub | :-) | 16:47 |
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| Veggen | hmm. suddenly there's no symbol to show shift/fn state etc... | 16:49 |
| Veggen | disappeared. | 16:49 |
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| AStorm | you disabled autocomplete | 16:53 |
| cyberholic | Hi everyone, has anyone of you ever uploaded any video to google.com? I just uploaded my first mojocafe Video but the quality is *bah* | 16:53 |
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| AStorm | the cam is junk and their compression is too | 16:55 |
| cyberholic | No, i mean ordinary. I thought that 320x240 would be ok in size, but it pushes it up to the whole framesize of the whole browserwindow :( .... this would mean that you MUST upload a video in hiquality PAL or NTSC format :( .... you can view the video here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3176964189343133123&hl=en | 16:57 |
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| AStorm | try 640x480, the default cam size | 17:01 |
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| AStorm | doesn't look that bad | 17:02 |
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| AStorm | what's the nice app switcher? | 17:02 |
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| inz | cyber, demoeffect for the couple first gestures?-) | 17:10 |
| konttori_work | everyone seen planet maemo? | 17:11 |
| * Navi checks | 17:12 | |
| fugitivo | leaving nokia? | 17:13 |
| Navi | ohnoes, four team members are teh leavez | 17:13 |
| fugitivo | wtf? | 17:13 |
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| wom- | any python datetime and timezone gurus around? :) | 17:19 |
| * sp3000 shudders | 17:20 | |
| wom- | i have time in iso 8601 format with timezone info at the end (+02:00) and i am converting that to datetime using xml.utils.iso8601.. everything works fine except i loose timezone information | 17:20 |
| * sp3000 discovered the other day that core python doesn't seem to have anything that does iso weeks both ways | 17:21 | |
| wom- | so my times are two hours off.. | 17:21 |
| sp3000 | wom-: lose it, or does it just get taken into account in an utc result? | 17:21 |
| sp3000 | k | 17:22 |
| wom- | so i think i lose it | 17:22 |
| sp3000 | so it claims to be in local time? | 17:22 |
| wom- | actually it seems to just ignore it | 17:22 |
| sp3000 | have you compared using a different timezone? | 17:22 |
| wom- | local time is also +02:00 | 17:22 |
| wom- | kinda interesting.. | 17:23 |
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| sp3000 | I get a different result for time.ctime(xml.utils.iso8601.parse("2004-04-09T21:39:00-09:00")) and time.ctime(xml.utils.iso8601.parse("2004-04-09T21:39:00-08:00")) so I'll guesstimate that it works fine | 17:31 |
| sp3000 | ValueError: unknown or illegal ISO-8601 date format: '2004-W04-4' | 17:32 |
| sp3000 | pfft | 17:32 |
| wom- | i am using datetime.fromtimestamp(xml.utils.iso8601...blaa blaa) | 17:33 |
| wom- | i will try time | 17:33 |
| mwaldron | anyone point me in a direction for my removable memory card being corrupted after i have it set up to boot from the card? | 17:33 |
| mwaldron | i'm guessing it's complaining about partition 1 needing formatting, but it won't let me do that in file manager, says in use | 17:34 |
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| sp3000 | wom-: well, iso8601.parse returns a float, not a whole lot of tz info that can be put in there | 17:38 |
| sp3000 | of course its doc doesn't specify if it returns a float since epoch in utc or local, but sanity would suggest utc | 17:39 |
| wom- | seems that i have to manually adjust it | 17:40 |
| wom- | hmm | 17:40 |
| wom- | no nice at all | 17:40 |
| wom- | not | 17:40 |
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| sp3000 | uh, wtf was I saying earlier, "float since epoch in local" | 17:43 |
| sp3000 | haha | 17:43 |
| sp3000 | I seem to forget there's only one epoch | 17:44 |
| sp3000 | >>> datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(xml.utils.iso8601.parse("2008-03-19T17:45+02:00")) | 17:45 |
| sp3000 | datetime.datetime(2008, 3, 19, 17, 45) | 17:45 |
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| sp3000 | I guess I don't see a problem there (I'm +0200 clearly so .fromtimestamp that expresses itself in local matches the numbers in the string) | 17:47 |
| wom- | actually it works | 17:48 |
| wom- | there is one part after that and it messes it up | 17:48 |
| wom- | thanks anyway | 17:48 |
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| sp3000 | np | 17:49 |
| sp3000 | time is confusing | 17:49 |
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| aquatix | yeah, it should be disposed of | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | yawn | 17:54 |
| aquatix | no need for it anyway | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | morning | 17:54 |
| aquatix | morning KotCzarny :) | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: i could use some spare time | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:54 |
| aquatix | sorry, mine is all gone | 17:54 |
| KotCzarny | especially in the 14-18 yo area | 17:54 |
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| pierlux | KotCzarny, heh, years after years I wonder what the heck was I doing with my free time before! it keeps getting smaller :( | 18:15 |
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| cyberholic | Sorry guys... i am back now. Had to build up an IKEA shelf... wow... less then 30 minutes! personal record! | 18:19 |
| zoran | built on arm? :) | 18:20 |
| cyberholic | Yeah, the videos shows the mojocafe online aplication. | 18:20 |
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| unique311 | mtpaint at work ..... http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1184&stc=1&d=1205943400 | 18:22 |
| fugitivo | very nice! | 18:23 |
| fugitivo | is it available for download? | 18:24 |
| unique311 | yes | 18:24 |
| unique311 | on ITT | 18:24 |
| fugitivo | not in maemo? | 18:24 |
| pupnik_ | is the pressure sensitivity useful at all? | 18:24 |
| unique311 | not yet on maemo | 18:24 |
| unique311 | pressure sensitivity no | 18:24 |
| zoran | yes for human beens | 18:24 |
| jott | it's not hildonized as it seems | 18:24 |
| unique311 | not sure why its not working | 18:25 |
| unique311 | it sets correctly.. | 18:25 |
| unique311 | jott, you can go fullscreen and make use of alot of the screen area. | 18:25 |
| konttori | does mt paint contain brushes like the mypaint does? | 18:26 |
| unique311 | fugitivo, the guy working on it wants to do lots of work on it before he adds it to maemo. | 18:26 |
| unique311 | konttori, nope | 18:26 |
| unique311 | having issues with mypaint. | 18:27 |
| konttori | ah. shame. But still, it's a very welcome addition to the image editors (especially as there aren't really any) | 18:27 |
| unique311 | half of the screen don't want to register stylus stroke | 18:27 |
| _collin_ | bunch of people leaving the maemo team... anything bad going on? | 18:27 |
| konttori | on my device mypaint works just fine | 18:27 |
| unique311 | konttori, i thought it was my device at first.. | 18:28 |
| unique311 | but mtpaint works fine. | 18:28 |
| konttori | hmm... odd | 18:28 |
| unique311 | so i don't think its a screen issues. | 18:28 |
| konttori | maybe it's a python version issue | 18:29 |
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| unique311 | I think i need to purge mypaint from the my the IT. | 18:29 |
| KotCzarny | so soon? | 18:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:29 |
| unique311 | i had a version on it i compiled a while back, so that might be the issue. | 18:29 |
| pupnik_ | i'm not satisfied with the ui and responsiveness | 18:30 |
| unique311 | which pupnik_ ? | 18:30 |
| pupnik_ | mtpaint | 18:30 |
| unique311 | i had some minor problems with mtpaint, but when i removed the scratch protector everything worked well. | 18:31 |
| pupnik_ | but your painting is great, send it in to the mtpaint homepage | 18:31 |
| unique311 | will do. | 18:31 |
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| AStorm | hmm | 18:32 |
| AStorm | does mplaye in maemo suport subtitles? | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 18:33 |
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| AStorm | mediabox doesn't load them? | 18:33 |
| AStorm | ah, they work | 18:34 |
| AStorm | wrong encoding though | 18:34 |
| AStorm | how to fix it? | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | ah, encoding fun. | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | -subcp WINDOWS-1250 \ | 18:34 |
| KotCzarny | try this one? | 18:34 |
| AStorm | my mplayer with some subcp opt cn read them properly | 18:34 |
| AStorm | uh, mediabox? | 18:35 |
| AStorm | (it uses mplayer) | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | does mediabox allow params for mplayer? | 18:35 |
| AStorm | not inside... maybe rc file? | 18:35 |
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| KotCzarny | i don't use mediabox? | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:36 |
| AStorm | I meant, maybe mplayer rc file ;P | 18:36 |
| AStorm | what was the path? | 18:37 |
| AStorm | mhm, ~/.mplayer/config | 18:37 |
| AStorm | I use here subcp=enca:pl:cp1250 | 18:37 |
| AStorm | it's a pity nokia's gstreamer player cannot play some other resolutions | 18:38 |
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| AStorm | btw, I'd like an mplayer built with FPU support | 18:42 |
| kulve | why? | 18:42 |
| AStorm | should be faster? | 18:43 |
| kulve | nope | 18:43 |
| AStorm | no? fully ASM? | 18:43 |
| kulve | if it would be faster with fpu it would have compiled with fpu (I don't know which one is it). I assume we are now talking about "mplayer" and not some other "media player" | 18:44 |
| AStorm | well, they might've traded size (almost 2x) for speed a bit | 18:44 |
| AStorm | might not be that much of a gain | 18:44 |
| AStorm | actually, the decoding libs have to be built with fpu | 18:44 |
| kulve | again, if we are talking about "mplayer", nothing is traded for speed, afaik | 18:44 |
| AStorm | mhm | 18:45 |
| kulve | well, I might be a bit exaggerating here, but trust me, if there's something easy to be done for speed up, it's done already | 18:45 |
| AStorm | VFP? some guy got nice speed gains | 18:46 |
| kulve | depending totally on the case | 18:46 |
| kulve | if the codec is integer-only the vfp support will just slow things down | 18:46 |
| AStorm | heh, I wonder if floating point codec with vfp is faster than integer codec | 18:47 |
| AStorm | possible, needs testing | 18:47 |
| kulve | that's a good question. Based on my experiences the vfp codec would be slower on n810, but ssvb said that they can be also just less optimized.. | 18:48 |
| jott | fully asm optimized vfp code should be quite fast :) | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | any asm wizzards to take on it? :> | 18:50 |
| AStorm | I could write libmad, if given enough time, and time is quite expensive :| | 18:50 |
| jott | and mplayer should already be compiled with vfp enabled | 18:50 |
| kulve | write some lgpl codec.. :) | 18:50 |
| AStorm | jott: well, that would only affect filters | 18:51 |
| AStorm | the real processing is in codecs | 18:51 |
| AStorm | I don't think xvid and ffmpeg have an integer version | 18:52 |
| AStorm | esp. arm-optimized integer version | 18:52 |
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| jott | AStorm: well libavcoded is compiled with mplayer, so vfp is enabled there too .. | 18:57 |
| jott | libavcodec.. | 18:59 |
| AStorm | hm | 18:59 |
| jott | but there is certainly more potential ;) | 18:59 |
| AStorm | esp. using some DSP in it | 19:00 |
| AStorm | that would have quite an impact | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, changing freq to 330/220 | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:00 |
| AStorm | currently it's not used at all (maybe except sound mixing and mp3 decoding) | 19:00 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: nah, that can be locked | 19:00 |
| AStorm | a kernel hack | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | but some people tell me that won't work, because it requires kernel flash | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | and people won't be eager to do it | 19:01 |
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| kulve | what's wrong with changing kernel? | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know | 19:01 |
| kulve | it's quite easy | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | i'm just telling you what others said to me | 19:01 |
| kulve | I'm running one with built-in NFS support and some MMC patches | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | i have my kernel with disabled 330/220 mode | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | and it runs perfectly | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:02 |
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| jott | hm is 400MHz actually the limit or did someone try to push it further? | 19:04 |
| * jott imagines a water-cooled n810 | 19:04 | |
| jott | :) | 19:04 |
| AStorm | jott: lol, it's not needed | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | i have seen some posts about overclocking to 400/266 mode | 19:04 |
| AStorm | you could easily push it to 425 MHz | 19:04 |
| jott | 500? 600? :) | 19:05 |
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| KotCzarny | fry baby, fry? | 19:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:05 |
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| AStorm | above that battery may have too much drain to work | 19:05 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: nah, the CPU is cool | 19:05 |
| AStorm | the problem is power input | 19:05 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm: what's this cpu rated mhz? | 19:05 |
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| kulve | TI's papers say 330 | 19:06 |
| AStorm | actually, they don't have a rating ;P | 19:06 |
| AStorm | the idea is that with more MHz, DSP speed goes down | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | it's only a matter of preset values | 19:07 |
| AStorm | mhm | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | and power drain | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:07 |
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| KotCzarny | The OMAP2420 includes an integrated ARM1136 processor (330 MHz), a TI TMS320C55x\u2122DSP (220 MHz), 2D/3D graphics accelerator, imaging and video accelerator, high-performance system interconnects and industry-standard peripherals. | 19:08 |
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| KotCzarny | erm, 3d graphics accelerator? | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=6123 | 19:08 |
| lcdd | don't bring that up :) | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | why? :> | 19:08 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: yaah, 3d acceletor. A very old story | 19:08 |
| disq | uh, pvr. | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | proprietary stuff, no libs, etc? | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:09 |
| kulve | yup | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | pity | 19:09 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: yep, PowerVR | 19:09 |
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| KotCzarny | how effective it could be? | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | ie. does any other platform based on 2420 uses it? | 19:09 |
| AStorm | the CPU at 425 would have to run with 1/4 divider | 19:10 |
| jott | nokia phones.. n82/n95/.. | 19:10 |
| AStorm | uhm, no | 19:10 |
| AStorm | wrong | 19:10 |
| AStorm | we'd get free power at DSP too by global overclock | 19:10 |
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| KotCzarny | jott: is there any sdk for n95 that we can steal? :> | 19:11 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: people have tried all kinds of tricks, no luck | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | ndiswrapper style? :> | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | mmm, 3d | 19:13 |
| jott | well an extracted n95/symbian kernel module could potentially help in reverse engineering | 19:13 |
| AStorm | if it worked | 19:13 |
| AStorm | the CPU may be different | 19:13 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/006/05/powervr_mbx04.htm | 19:13 |
| jott | there is currently only a omap2430 linux binary floating around | 19:14 |
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| jott | AStorm: i doubt that, both are omap2420 and from nokia | 19:14 |
| AStorm | hmm :> | 19:14 |
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| AStorm | yep | 19:15 |
| AStorm | but will the power supply of N8x0 sustain that? | 19:15 |
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| Veggen | jott: I have this line: | 19:15 |
| Veggen | key <AC10> { type="EIGHT_LEVEL", [ odiaresis, Odiaresis, equal, equal, oslash, Oslash, equal, equal ] }; | 19:15 |
| AStorm | and? | 19:16 |
| Veggen | why on eaerth is it oslash that is the bare key itself? | 19:16 |
| Veggen | shouldn't it be odiaresis? | 19:16 |
| AStorm | it's level 5... | 19:17 |
| AStorm | impossible to get usually? | 19:17 |
| KotCzarny | The PowerVR SDK is available now for OpenGL 1.x for ... Texas Instruments' OMAP2420/2430 (Linux & Symbian) | 19:17 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 19:17 |
| AStorm | Nokia is expected to at least provide a binary blob then ;P | 19:17 |
| jott | Veggen: yeah order should actually be None, Shift, LevelThree, Shift+LevelThree, LevelFive, Shift+LevelFive, LevelThree+LevelFive, Shift+LevelThree+LevelFive | 19:18 |
| AStorm | ah, shift+l5 | 19:18 |
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| AStorm | level3 is FN? | 19:19 |
| jott | yep | 19:19 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: that includes e.g. emulator for PC but no arm side binaries.. | 19:19 |
| jott | and chr can be mapped to level5 | 19:19 |
| AStorm | level5 isn't bound by default? | 19:19 |
| AStorm | mhm | 19:19 |
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| jott | kulve: well there actually are arm binaries (just for omap2430, powervr mbx lite) | 19:20 |
| jott | for linux that is | 19:20 |
| AStorm | give 'em to us | 19:21 |
| pH5 | to me it looks like the driver supports both mbx/mbx lite, but mmio space and irq are it is hardwired for 2430 | 19:21 |
| pH5 | s/it is h/h/ | 19:21 |
| infobot | pH5 meant: to me it looks like the driver supports both mbx/mbx lite, but mmio space and irq are hardwired for 2430 | 19:21 |
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| jott | pH5: possibly.. either way it's not usable without some real hacking ;) | 19:22 |
| AStorm | hm, that would be a simple change for the Nokia devs if they have access to the source | 19:23 |
| pH5 | is there anybody interested in actually reverse engineering those? | 19:23 |
| kulve | pH5: yes | 19:23 |
| kulve | well, something like that at least.. | 19:23 |
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| jott | anyone has access to a n95 or another n-series omap2420 phone? | 19:24 |
| AStorm | I don't | 19:24 |
| pH5 | I have a bit of random assembly-turned-C code deduced from the dwarf debugging tags, but I probably shouldn't redistribute that :) | 19:24 |
| jott | pH5: hey it to gain interoperability ;> | 19:25 |
| AStorm | is there some no rev-enc clause in the licence? | 19:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:25 |
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| AStorm | btw, is there some cleaner for Nxxx? removal of unused dependencies? | 19:26 |
| AStorm | *unused packages | 19:26 |
| Veggen | jott: but how can I find out why order is opposite? :) | 19:26 |
| AStorm | or at least a list | 19:26 |
| AStorm | Veggen: by trying? | 19:26 |
| AStorm | that vmware image is still dling :| | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | Log in | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | Access DeniedSorry, you have to be logged in to download this item. | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | Access DeniedYou are already logged in. | 19:28 |
| Veggen | Well. i am trying, but since jott has done some work on this, I thought perhaps he'd have an idea. | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | ghh. | 19:28 |
| jott | Veggen: key <AC10> { type="EIGHT_LEVEL", [odiaeresis, Odiaeresis, equal, equal, oslash, Oslash, odiaeresis, Odiaeresis] }; | 19:28 |
| jott | works | 19:28 |
| jott | (i.e. use the first two also as LevelThree+LevelFive, Shift+LevelThree+LevelFive | 19:29 |
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| jott | Veggen: you know that you can use .. setxkbmap -symbols "nokia_vndr/rx-44(de)" to reload the symbols file?! (or replace de with what ever you like ;) | 19:31 |
| Mousey | oops | 19:31 |
| jott | bbl | 19:34 |
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| Italodance | ummm mplayer has lag sometimes?????????? why? | 19:36 |
| Italodance | i play a xvid avi file | 19:36 |
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| douthat | is http://repository.maemo.org down? | 19:41 |
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| Italodance | douthat what's the message? | 19:42 |
| douthat | it just seems to stall for me | 19:42 |
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| Italodance | ? | 19:42 |
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| douthat | ahh, here we go | 19:43 |
| douthat | An error occurred while processing your request. | 19:43 |
| douthat | Reference #97.472512d1.1205948526.12b0a7e | 19:43 |
| douthat | seems to be back up now | 19:45 |
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| Italodance | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3029 | 19:48 |
| Italodance | here is my old problem :"''( | 19:49 |
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| wom- | whats the magic in hildon.Window.set_title.. setting it but not seeing it :) this is in python | 20:00 |
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| KotCzarny | n95 is only 2.8" (240x320) hehe | 20:06 |
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| AStorm | Italodance: mplayer has default delay of 280ms for some reason | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | I think the 26 release makes the delay 0ms | 20:08 |
| qwerty12 | It does on my N800 at least afaik (unless the mplayer web plugin has changed things) | 20:08 |
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| Italodance | 23.98fps can run on mplayer??????? | 20:11 |
| Italodance | i just added my original video (without any convert) | 20:11 |
| Italodance | but it has some lags on somewhere! | 20:12 |
| kulve | the fps is highly dependant on bitrate and resolution | 20:12 |
| Italodance | can someone tell me why? | 20:12 |
| Italodance | my mplayer is 24 | 20:12 |
| Italodance | mplayer_1[1].0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0_armel.deb on n800 os2008 | 20:13 |
| Italodance | kulve do u know what's the problem? | 20:13 |
| pupnik | I told you the problem | 20:13 |
| unique311 | maybe you need to update it | 20:13 |
| Italodance | ? | 20:13 |
| pupnik | Videos with resolution greater than 400 x 240 may not play full speed | 20:14 |
| Italodance | yes it is XVID 640x352 23.98fps [Stream 00] | 20:14 |
| qwerty12 | @pupnik, Super Mario War works fine on N800 OS2008 BTW, thanks :). I just made a desktop file with a pixmap I copied from the smw data gfx folder. | 20:14 |
| pupnik | sweet, i'll make a deb with installer | 20:15 |
| pupnik | thanks qwerty12 | 20:15 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 20:15 |
| Italodance | thanks pupnik for ur guide | 20:15 |
| Italodance | so i need to convert it | 20:15 |
| pupnik | Did you tweak the controls? | 20:16 |
| Italodance | like what? | 20:16 |
| pupnik | I only enjoyed it with bluetooth kbd | 20:16 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik: to me? | 20:17 |
| pupnik | yes | 20:17 |
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| qwerty12 | I changed some of the controls as some features were not working (like use item to full screen button etc), I use the built in buttons on the N800, I find they play the game ok :) | 20:18 |
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| pupnik | ok i'll make sure to map that | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | Cool :). Brb, flasher-3.0 will not recognise N800 unless I reboot :@ | 20:19 |
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| qwerty12 | My bad, flasher-3.0 needs sudo 8-) | 20:21 |
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| qwerty12 | pupnik: Maybe you can use "funkipup installer " for SMW :)? I untarred deb file with 7zip in windows, and made symlink to memory card. I then edited /var/lib/dpkg/status to remove smw-data dependency :) | 20:25 |
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| pupnik | yes exactly | 20:27 |
| pupnik | it's the only way i know to install a big deb without requiring huge amts of free space on / | 20:28 |
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| qwerty12 | I like the funkipup installer :). I hate moving files myself with emelfm2 >.< | 20:28 |
| WorkingOnWise | what is a reasonable wysiwyg html editor for the N800? | 20:29 |
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| Italodance | pupnik | 20:45 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, 2430 has powervr LITE and iva2, 2420 has powervr and iva | 20:54 |
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| pupnik | dude keep reading | 20:58 |
| Italodance | . | 20:59 |
| Italodance | pupnik | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i will | 20:59 |
| * KotCzarny is on a quest for a free cycles | 20:59 | |
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| pupnik | http://openpandora.org/blog.php woooo pandora pcb rev 0.1 posted! | 21:03 |
| Italodance | some one can send me mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.25? | 21:05 |
| red-zack | < andreasj> SiO2: Dann wähl wmaker einfach in Deinem Login-Manager aus... | 21:05 |
| red-zack | 20:02 < fir3> aber ein prozess "dselect" läuft nicht mehr, nur noch aptitude | 21:05 |
| red-zack | [20:05] [red-zack(+e)] [6:#debian.de(+cns)] [Act: 2,3,4,5,7,10] | 21:05 |
| red-zack | ups | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | mouse abuser | 21:05 |
| keesj | pupnik: it is such a sexy device! | 21:06 |
| Italodance | please send mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.26.n8x0_armel.deb | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: http://pastebin.ca/raw/946765 | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | whoo! | 21:07 |
| pupnik | some people would disagree with 'sexy' but i don't | 21:07 |
| Italodance | pupnik can u send me this deb file? | 21:07 |
| pupnik | this is interesting | 21:07 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 21:07 |
| KotCzarny | at least it confirms there's a mbx here | 21:07 |
| keesj | pupnik: I hoped it would be a little more then only a photo | 21:08 |
| Italodance | please pay attention to me | 21:08 |
| Italodance | :( | 21:08 |
| pupnik | it is at least a refutation to the eedjits who said 'pandora is a hoax' | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be interesting to port maemo over to the Pandora. | 21:09 |
| pupnik | yup (mamona, whatervr) | 21:09 |
| pupnik | KotCzarny: hey that kernel version matches :) | 21:09 |
| keesj | KotCzarny: bussy with 3d stuff? | 21:09 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: It is plain ugly, but I do like the specs :) | 21:09 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: yeah, it's for n8x0 | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Agreed, X-Fade. | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | keesj: hum? | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | We'll see what Nokia has to offer around the end of this year before making any decisions, though. | 21:10 |
| X-Fade | _if_ they can get a driver for the opengl-es.. | 21:10 |
| Italodance | Please For God Only This! | 21:11 |
| keesj | buzzy, omap can't lag behind, but apparently this powervr is used all over the place | 21:11 |
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| Italodance | :"'( | 21:12 |
| X-Fade | keesj: And we've seen it in action on the N810 ;) | 21:12 |
| Italodance | please | 21:12 |
| Italodance | please | 21:13 |
| dragorn | holy crap dude. maemo.org. Google. | 21:13 |
| Italodance | no | 21:14 |
| Italodance | maemo website is down for me 1 week | 21:14 |
| keesj | X-Fade: nice | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: http://airlied.livejournal.com/39506.html | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | but it's for another device :/ | 21:14 |
| Italodance | please send me http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.26.n8x0_armel.deb | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | at least it's 2.6 | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:14 |
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| Italodance | please | 21:15 |
| X-Fade | keesj: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K4veJMCM_Q | 21:15 |
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| Italodance | please send | 21:15 |
| pupnik | X-Fade: you saw powervr running on N800 - at nokia? | 21:16 |
| X-Fade | keesj: Around 2 minutes 5 in... | 21:16 |
| Italodance | please | 21:16 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: Check that youtube.. | 21:16 |
| Italodance | please send | 21:16 |
| pupnik | ok i'm driving to bochum | 21:16 |
| Italodance | please | 21:17 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: Those seem to be the powervr techdemos running on n810.. | 21:17 |
| Italodance | please send me http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.26.n8x0_armel.deb | 21:17 |
| X-Fade | Italodance: Please stop. | 21:17 |
| Italodance | please 1 | 21:17 |
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| Italodance | it is only 2 mb | 21:17 |
| Italodance | X-Fade send it to me | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | x-fade: but is it powervr based or rendered by cpu? | 21:18 |
| X-Fade | KotCzarny: It is powervr based. | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | hummm | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:18 |
| pupnik | I do not understand how they're streaming video off the N810 over wireless | 21:18 |
| pupnik | while running gl demos... :/ | 21:18 |
| Italodance | please send it | 21:19 |
| pupnik | ty for the link X-Fade | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I think the PowerVR is in the USB | 21:19 |
| Italodance | i can't download from http://repository.maemo.org | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or somesuch | 21:19 |
| Italodance | it is blocked here | 21:19 |
| Italodance | i need u | 21:19 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: I think it is more like a remote X session idea.. It forwards commands? | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really, everything I've read about it has been incredibly vague. | 21:20 |
| pupnik | the animations look far smoother than say vnc over wlan | 21:20 |
| Italodance | oh i got it.. | 21:20 |
| X-Fade | Italodance: http://specialdownloadforitalodance_lets_hope_he_shuts_up_now.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.26.n8x0_armel.deb | 21:20 |
| pupnik | maybe it's using freeNX? | 21:20 |
| * pupnik giggles | 21:21 | |
| keesj | and fullHD > 800x480 right? | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | via usb/wifi | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can anybody tell me how to change the apt/Application Manager repository timeouts? | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | who says tv-out ? | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:22 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, so they need to cramp that in about 1mbit :) | 21:22 |
| pupnik | but if you look at their display, it's running a higher resolution than the 800x480 | 21:22 |
| X-Fade | So my guess is opengl instructions? | 21:22 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, i think the display 'server' just displays the instructions. And not the raw data.. | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | The TV-side has a fairly complicated dongle. | 21:23 |
| X-Fade | I think that one has the same cpu in it perhaps? | 21:23 |
| pupnik | I volunteer to do replacement music for em | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | If anybody wants a slightly less retarded osso-xterm, fiferboy has compiled the svn http://andrew.olmsted.ca/maemo/osso-xterm/ | 21:24 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: But at least there is hope for opengl-es :) | 21:24 |
| keesj | but ukmp is in there (right?) | 21:24 |
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| pupnik | hmm they using OpenMAX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMAX | 21:24 |
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| keesj | I already have to much things I want to do in 2d, lets pretend it never happends | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:25 |
| * keesj has been playing http://maniadrive.raydium.org/ lately (as replacement for xmoto) | 21:26 | |
| inz | General, yay, someone has the energy to do my work | 21:26 |
| KotCzarny | hah, that reminds me of 'stunts' game on amiga | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | very similiar | 21:27 |
| keesj | This car does not really crash | 21:28 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: Old news: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1183357408.html :D | 21:28 |
| keesj | but is all this news or have I been sleeping ? | 21:28 |
| X-Fade | keesj: It has been out in the open for a week orso. But nobody looks at it carefully ;) | 21:29 |
| X-Fade | keesj: This one is interesting too: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2295711520/ | 21:30 |
| * pupnik packs up his bag and tent | 21:31 | |
| pupnik | yeah that is a 3430 board | 21:31 |
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| X-Fade | pupnik: Yeah, great stuff to play with. | 21:32 |
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| pupnik | ok at 00:35 you can see their frontend is a python script. It appears to require a usb dongle (?) and they have OpenGL and X-Proxy modes | 21:34 |
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| pupnik | i wondering if the actual OGl rendering is being done on a remote pc then | 21:35 |
| pupnik | for the hi-res display | 21:35 |
| keesj | pupnik: the one attached to the beamer? | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not on the OMAP PowerVR anyway. | 21:35 |
| keesj | I am happy to see some exiting things happen here! | 21:35 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: They also have compressed-av if you look closely.. | 21:36 |
| pupnik | keesj - on that flickr picture the hardware running maemo is called a 'beagleboard' | 21:36 |
| pupnik | ahhh ty | 21:36 |
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| Italodance | agggggggg | 21:40 |
| keesj | All I really did this week-end is reading about how to unclutter ( http://blog.anamazingmind.com/2008/03/image-courtesy-of-stilldavid-clutter-is.html ) and you guys are definitely not helping here :p | 21:40 |
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| KotCzarny | x-fade: have you tried recompiling kernel? | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | to and fake version to try loading that pvrdrv.ko ? | 21:42 |
| X-Fade | KotCzarny: lardman has tried to do that. | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | any log of it? | 21:43 |
| X-Fade | KotCzarny: And the driver loads, but doesn't do anything after that.. | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 21:43 |
| X-Fade | It should create some device entries etc, but doesn't do that. | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | but doesn't crash either | 21:43 |
| X-Fade | Nope. | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | maybe some hardcoded pci ids etc | 21:43 |
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| b1ackD3ath | hello | 21:43 |
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| pH5 | KotCzarny, X-Fade: the clock/power registers are in another place on omap2430, so that can't possibly work without some hex editing | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | ph5: there was some preliminary driver for 2420 | 21:46 |
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| X-Fade | pH5: This driver was the one from the TI SDK, I think.. | 21:47 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: ooh, really? I only have the 2430 sdk. does that 2420 binary still float around anywhere? | 21:48 |
| fugitivo | damn, i have to reformat my internal memory card after copying a lot of data (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=121433#post121433) | 21:48 |
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| fugitivo | too bad i didn't read it before | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | ph5: it wasn't doing anything usefull.. just poking here and there | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | enabling clocks | 21:48 |
| Tama^2 | Hello | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | ph5: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/946765.diff | 21:50 |
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| pH5 | KotCzarny: heh, I shouldn't have called that 'driver' | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:51 |
| X-Fade | pH5: Well, it is a start ;) | 21:51 |
| X-Fade | It already requires some knowledge about the pvr. | 21:52 |
| b1ackD3ath | what r u favorite apps for the 2008 os | 21:52 |
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| X-Fade | pH5: Duh, it seems you have written it :D | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:55 |
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| pH5 | yeah, that was the easy part. too bad the power state / interrupt logic isn't quite so straightforward. | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | but not impossible? | 21:59 |
| pH5 | nothing is impossible. question is how many manhours one is willing to invest :/ | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | how can we encourage you? :) | 22:00 |
| lcuk | with beer and hookers and a blackjack table? | 22:00 |
| X-Fade | pH5: Do you have technical docs or do you reverse engineer it? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | infact, forget the blackjack | 22:01 |
| pH5 | KotCzarny: that's easy. disassemble and document large parts of the binary driver :D | 22:01 |
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| KotCzarny | ph5:i have tried disassembling before.. it was.. erm.. ;) | 22:01 |
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| pH5 | X-Fade: only the 2430 sdk and a few hours to waste. | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | ph5: binary driver is from 2430? | 22:02 |
| pH5 | I don't think any docs will ever surface. | 22:02 |
| lcuk | do we know whether the 2430 uses compatible code? | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | 2430 has mbx lite | 22:03 |
| X-Fade | pH5: We can always hope for wikileaks ;) | 22:03 |
| lcuk | or would it be as easy to get hold of the symbian driver? | 22:03 |
| lcuk | for actual 2420 | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | ph5: how about windows mbx emualtor? | 22:04 |
| pH5 | X-Fade: I do since I got that n810 :) | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | can it be dissected to get any info? | 22:04 |
| anders_gud | isn't there a 2.4 driver for the mbx? | 22:04 |
| pH5 | lcuk: the driver code from the 2430 sdk tests for mbx/mbx lite and does some things differently | 22:04 |
| lcuk | an emulator is no good unless it has the drivers as well | 22:04 |
| pH5 | of course it could be that mbx code is missing | 22:05 |
| X-Fade | pH5: Not knowing if Nokia/Ti will ever give us a driver is hard :( | 22:05 |
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| lcuk | anders_gud, from what i recall the older 2.4 driver is for the agp hardware | 22:05 |
| anders_gud | ok | 22:05 |
| lcuk | not for the embedded | 22:05 |
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| pH5 | lcuk: no idea about symbian, has anybody heard about anybody extracting drivers from symbian images? | 22:06 |
| lcuk | not sure, i dont even know anyone with one - you need a code to download from nokia just like with 810, but their flasher is windows only and i found a windows updater installer (>100mb) which should contain an image but uses none standard compression | 22:07 |
| lcuk | if anyone else wants to give it a try i found a site listing flash images for most nokia phones | 22:08 |
| lcuk | http://www.6-sec.com/flashfiles2/FlashFile%20Support/Nokia/BB5/N95%20RM-159/ | 22:08 |
| lcuk | thats the n95 folder, going back you have a whole swath of them | 22:08 |
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| fugitivo | hello, i need to disable swap on my device so i can format my internal memory card, anyway to do this? the card is in read only mode | 22:09 |
| pH5 | lcuk: thanks | 22:09 |
| lcuk | where would i find this 2430 image and a dissassembler | 22:10 |
| lcuk | (and a dictionary) | 22:10 |
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| jott | it's really strange nobody in #maemo has a n95 or some other 2420 based mobile :) | 22:12 |
| * KotCzarny has n800 | 22:12 | |
| KotCzarny | mobile & 2420 based :) | 22:12 |
| jott | well cell phone / mobile phone :) | 22:12 |
| jott | symbian s60 based phone :) | 22:13 |
| lcuk | n95 is like the good twin, n8x0 owners have long hair and black walls and a messy bedroom | 22:13 |
| * KotCzarny has white walls | 22:13 | |
| pH5 | hm... the only reference to OMAPSW_GFX_2430__L16.4_SDK.zip google finds is an old #maemo log | 22:13 |
| fugitivo | nay idea? | 22:14 |
| pH5 | fugitivo: swapoff? | 22:15 |
| pupnik | the read only bug can prevent turning swap off | 22:16 |
| jott | fugitivo: mount -o remount,rw /media/mmcX and then swapoff | 22:16 |
| X-Fade | jott: I have n95 :) | 22:16 |
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| jott | X-Fade: then post the driver :) | 22:16 |
| X-Fade | jott: I wouldn't know how :) | 22:16 |
| jott | take some file explorer and seek the disks :) | 22:16 |
| pupnik | fugitivo: one solution - remove card, reformat partition on PC card reader, insert card | 22:17 |
| X-Fade | jott: You can't see the os files.. | 22:17 |
| jott | even with 3rd party file explorers? | 22:17 |
| X-Fade | Doesn't look like it. | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | x-fade: it runs on symbian? | 22:18 |
| pH5 | X-Fade: are there any tools to dump flash contents? | 22:18 |
| X-Fade | KotCzarny: Yep. | 22:18 |
| lcuk | if you run the usb flash update it extracts the file somewhere - probably temp - how about checking whilst the update is on screen | 22:18 |
| fugitivo | pupnik: can the internal card be removed? | 22:18 |
| X-Fade | pH5: Wouldn't know. | 22:18 |
| pupnik | http://ati.amd.com/developer/AMDOpenGL_ES2_emulator.html AMD opengl ES2 emulator | 22:18 |
| jott | pH5: i got a C0R file extracted | 22:18 |
| pupnik | fugitivo: sorry i thought you had n800 | 22:19 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, any chance you can run it (i doubt you even need to have it plugged in) | 22:19 |
| jott | that contains references to Drivers\Display\PowerVR :) | 22:19 |
| pH5 | jott: hmm, not it gets interesting :) | 22:19 |
| fugitivo | pupnik: it's an n810, i have the same problem as this (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14416), but i can't format it because i'm using swap and the system is mounting it in read-only | 22:19 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Run what? | 22:19 |
| pH5 | s/not/now/ | 22:20 |
| infobot | pH5 meant: jott: hmm, now it gets interesting :) | 22:20 |
| lcuk | the nokia system updater - it contains a flash image doesnt it - but dont worry for now | 22:20 |
| lcuk | there may be other ways | 22:20 |
| jott | pH5: UWfirmforce does not find any useful structures .. | 22:20 |
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| jott | what filesystem does symbian use? fat? | 22:20 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: I already looked at a flash file once. And it looked a lot like a FIASCO image.. | 22:20 |
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| fugitivo | pupnik: how can i prevent the device of mounting the card? | 22:21 |
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| fugitivo | i tried removing it from /etc/fstab but didn't work | 22:21 |
| pupnik | mount -o rw,remount /media/mmc2 fugitivo | 22:21 |
| fugitivo | pupnik: oh, that worked :) thanks a lot | 22:22 |
| pupnik | yw | 22:22 |
| pupnik | http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/sdk/KhronosOpenGLES2xSGX.asp hmm powervr OGL ES 2.0 sdk | 22:23 |
| jott | hmm atleast there are nice strings like 11Idle3DEvent.11TAIdleEvent.12EventContext.14EVMDallocEvent.16DMBXPowerHandler.16DResourceHandler.18TSignallingDfcData.23DVariantMbxPowerHandler.23TAContextInterruptEvent.26TDfcCreateCommandQueueData.27TDfcDestroyCommandQueueData.33TDfcDisplayCreateCommandQueueData.5DBase | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | mbx doesn't do es2 | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 22:25 |
| pH5 | jott: oh cool, can you see arm code? I feared the file system image would be compressed. | 22:25 |
| jott | pH5: looks very uncompressed | 22:25 |
| X-Fade | jott: But isn't that a userspace tool? | 22:25 |
| pH5 | jott: terrific. can you teach me how to extract? | 22:26 |
| X-Fade | The binary driver seemed to communicate with some userspace daemon.. | 22:26 |
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| jott | pH5: hmm so in the archive.. mmh | 22:26 |
| jott | N95_8GB_RM-320_11.0.026_By_ALLAL123.rar | 22:26 |
| jott | hmm where did i get this.. hmm ;) | 22:27 |
| pH5 | X-Fade: I think it's the same in the omap2430 sdk. most of the driver control lives in libsrv_um_1.1.33.561.so, the kernel driver is only for interrupt handling, memory allocation and setup/teardown | 22:27 |
| X-Fade | pH5: Well, that means you are half done already :D | 22:28 |
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| pH5 | X-Fade: but then again I've already disassembled half of the userspace library to understand what goes on in the kernel ;) | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | who-hoo! | 22:29 |
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| X-Fade | pH5: So why don't you put those 2 halves together? | 22:29 |
| lcuk | hmmm jott, i just found the same thing but mines a zip ;) | 22:30 |
| lcuk | talking to the pvr is going to be like talking to the dsp | 22:30 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Black box? | 22:30 |
| pH5 | X-Fade: because I've taken apart the easy/obvious halves :D | 22:31 |
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| pupnik | somethine like dspgateway? | 22:31 |
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| lcuk | basically yer - here set yourself to X*y, here is a load of triangles. Now please deposit it at this location | 22:31 |
| lcuk | i really cant see it being much more difficult | 22:32 |
| pupnik | "If you want to be serious about DSP programming, you want to have the debugger | 22:32 |
| pupnik | and the JTAG cable! | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | and gallons of patience and understanding and no kids or cats to interupt | 22:32 |
| pupnik | http://open.neurostechnology.com/node/1020 Ti c54x notes | 22:33 |
| pupnik | do you have a closet? | 22:33 |
| lcuk | yer but im not stepping into it - that would imply at some time i would have to leave | 22:33 |
| * lcuk will never step out of the cloeset :D | 22:33 | |
| lcuk | without extra e of course | 22:34 |
| lcuk | regarding black box debugging - who manages to compile and test and debug code directly on the device after compiling in scratchbox? | 22:35 |
| pupnik | i dunno, just thought some of the dspheads might find the link interesting | 22:37 |
| lcuk | i certainly do :) when you are testing your programs do you test directly on device or do you run in scratchbox on x86 | 22:38 |
| pupnik | personally i always run on device | 22:38 |
| pupnik | nfs share, gdb and oprofile kernel on device | 22:39 |
| lcuk | same here, and i dont fall apart if it breaks | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | ahhh you actually have a debugging kernel | 22:39 |
| lcuk | does it help? | 22:40 |
| jott | do the neuros guys actually have some nice dsp code that could be reused? | 22:40 |
| * lcuk reads code until i find a bug | 22:40 | |
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| anders_gud | this one? http://updates.pepper.com/pub/pepperpad/sources/pepperpad2/3.0.3/pvrdrv.ko.tar | 22:40 |
| anders_gud | 2.6 | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | but not working | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:41 |
| jott | it probably not omap but pxa | 22:41 |
| pH5 | also it's supposedly a dumb framebuffer driver only. | 22:42 |
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| KotCzarny | 1.2mb dumb fb? | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:42 |
| lcuk | does symbian use the same abi? | 22:43 |
| lcuk | microsoft driver | 22:43 |
| pupnik | i'd be happy with a vsync driven double-buffer solution at < 400x240 right now | 22:43 |
| lcuk | xv does but its not rgb | 22:44 |
| pupnik | ah so mplayer at < 400x240 will use page-flipping? | 22:44 |
| lcuk | no, i believe the hardware on the lcd supports 2 800*480*yuv12 frames but dont quote me on that | 22:45 |
| lcuk | i havent managed to get it tearing yet no matter what i do and an empty render loop is locked to 27fps | 22:46 |
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| pupnik | OK thanks. I can't deal with this now. But tearing is really annoying | 22:46 |
| pupnik | ok | 22:46 |
| lcuk | i would have used sdl if i could have had tear free 800*480 but im working through with xv | 22:46 |
| pupnik | just looks so amateur when an emu skips a frame or doesn't have tearsync | 22:46 |
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| pupnik | ahk | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | yuv12 is 25% smaller than rgb16 :> | 22:47 |
| pupnik | hopefully you can share something near end of march | 22:47 |
| pupnik | yep | 22:47 |
| lcuk | im getting quite adventurous - im playing with color | 22:47 |
| lcuk | yer as soon as i tear out the horrid hard paths | 22:47 |
| lcuk | which every time i look into it i wanna rewrite the font code which... | 22:48 |
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| * lcuk has a list as long as his arm | 22:48 | |
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| lcuk | by the way - whats the best way of handling options without using the command line for a program that has no interface? | 22:48 |
| lcuk | im compiling every time at the mo :S | 22:49 |
| * lcuk slaps his forehead and writes an option file | 22:49 | |
| KotCzarny | ? | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | argv[] ? | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | ahm. | 22:50 |
| lcuk | i get argv nicely stored away | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | read a file | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | i just call with a script and cant keep changing the script just to change a param to try something | 22:50 |
| lcuk | its faster to just comment out a variation on a function call and resend | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | like when i was playing with display sizes ive got about 10 calls with different resolutions all commented just leaving one open | 22:51 |
| lcuk | and wiring options from the front to the depths of the code is again longer than having another variation... | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | pipe read? | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | actually - ive got argv and a whole app_..() set of functions available, i think ill just write in a few if(app_option("colormode")){...} type things around for now and make app_option use argv | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | what would pipe reading be? | 22:55 |
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| KotCzarny | some kind of scripting language? | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | slave mode? | 22:55 |
| jku | lcuk, what language? | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | like: DRAW x=243 bpp=4\n | 22:56 |
| lcuk | im in raw c | 22:56 |
| Firebird8 | hi, how do i make the SD card mount to somewhere other than /media on boot? does fstab work? it doesn't seem to affect anything | 22:56 |
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| jku | lcuk, gconf or gkeyfile maybe? | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | kot, no need for scripting lang at the moment, ive created myself a few apis - app_open(..) canvass_open(...) book_open(...) with assoc other calls related and have been trying total variations for background rendering etc using the same simple central code | 22:57 |
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| lcuk | jku, essentially a registry - it might work | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: but it could help you testing different opitions | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 22:58 |
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| jku | lcuk, gkeyfile is fast to implement, gconf is more work but a pretty good solution for user settings (with change-signals and such) | 22:59 |
| lcuk | its like ive got a whole xv graphics library now which draws glyphs and lines and rectangles and works on an xv shm backbuffer- but at the start i had a sdl | 22:59 |
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| lcuk | jku, thanks i might take a look later when i get my head into it | 23:00 |
| jku | so gconf is nice for changing options during runtime | 23:00 |
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| lcuk | gconf edits are persisted and edited like using regedit arent they | 23:01 |
| lcuk | i wonder how long it would take me to get a basic version of MUI up and running | 23:01 |
| jku | basically yes | 23:01 |
| lcuk | infact, is MUI around? | 23:01 |
| * lcuk stops himself from looking and stays a bit focused | 23:02 | |
| lcuk | right, im going stripping out all rel paths and seeing if i can get this essentially dependency free and allowing options | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | by the way, has anyone used the pressure sensitive mouse options from the wiki? i implimented the rawmode and got it working, but now under certain circumstances i lose mouse events (namely the trailing 0 to indicate mouseup) | 23:04 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 23:09 |
| Jaffa | re | 23:11 |
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| KotCzarny | hum | 23:14 |
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| KotCzarny | otoh enabling 3d could be hindered by very low amount of vram available | 23:15 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, three members of maemo leaving Nokia at the same time. | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | 5 in the morning? | 23:16 |
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| tko | Jaffa: actually 4, jobi just doesn't have a blog :) | 23:19 |
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| jku | tko, just a coincidence? | 23:23 |
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| disq | maybe not :P | 23:23 |
| jku | ah, tko:"some I’ll be seeing again soon enough" | 23:24 |
| Jaffa | tko: good luck with your future stuff - hope you've got something exciting lined up | 23:25 |
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| * pupnik speculates | 23:28 | |
| disq | yeah man good luck :) | 23:29 |
| pupnik | What's the technology that will make ITOS more flashy while providing backward compatibility to hildon stuff. | 23:30 |
| Jaffa | Gtk 3 | 23:30 |
| pupnik | ty | 23:30 |
| disq | powervr? :P | 23:31 |
| disq | ok i should stop joking around | 23:31 |
| disq | btw, planning to make a half res mode for kagu, black borders, 400x240 ui area in the middle | 23:31 |
| AStorm | pupnik: I guess some new flashy WM | 23:31 |
| AStorm | using Composite | 23:31 |
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| AStorm | more fadeouts and slides | 23:32 |
| Jaffa | Clutter/EDJE seem to be suitably flashy, too | 23:32 |
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| tko | cheers all. there's something lined up, will post more soon enough | 23:33 |
| disq | edje looks flashy yeah, if only i liked the scripting language | 23:33 |
| disq | :) | 23:33 |
| AStorm | hehe | 23:33 |
| pupnik | cheers tko - happy trails | 23:33 |
| * koos wondering too if last days news means the move is clutter or Qtopia | 23:33 | |
| AStorm | it should've been written in Python | 23:33 |
| AStorm | ;P | 23:33 |
| Jaffa | tko: you going to be hanging around hereabouts, still? | 23:33 |
| tko | Jaffa: in Europe, not in Finland | 23:34 |
| AStorm | Qtopia is overrated | 23:34 |
| AStorm | C++ on mobile devices, yeah, that's what everyone needs ;P | 23:34 |
| Jaffa | tko: pah, who said anything about meatspace? ;-) | 23:34 |
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| tko | Jaffa: heh, silly me | 23:35 |
| AStorm | I fancy N850 being a Lisp machine | 23:36 |
| * AStorm hides | 23:36 | |
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| KotCzarny | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12719&contentId=27458 | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | OMAP2430 SDKs | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | Open GL ES v1.1 and OpenVG 1.0 SDK based on OMAPSW vL16.4 BSP, use GCC-3.4.4 Tool Chain | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 23:45 |
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| KotCzarny | OpenSource Kernel v2.6.10 | 23:45 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 23:45 |
| * KotCzarny cries | 23:45 | |
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| pupnik | i say we make a bootloader for uae4all. no ITOS at all :P | 23:47 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/oss/opensource.html | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | that would be cool if it would include all needed drivers | 23:48 |
| KotCzarny | While we will not have general availability through our distributors until April 2008, | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | april is just around the corner | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:49 |
| KotCzarny | http://sourceforge.net/projects/dspdap/ | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:50 |
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| shackan | KotCzarny: why are you crying? | 23:57 |
| AStorm | why don't they use GCC 4.x? | 23:58 |
| KotCzarny | because nokia have not included any support for pvr | 23:58 |
| AStorm | does it generate larger files or what? | 23:58 |
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