IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-03-18

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desertcanyone know how to fix the touchpad so typing on the virtual keyboard doesn't double click the letters?  Myy teext alwaays coomees llike thiss.00:01
crashanddiedesertc, take your parkinson meds00:01
AStormwell, that should be tunable00:02
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AStormmaybe standard X autorepeat settings?00:02
crashanddiewhere do the files get downloaded usually ?00:02
AStormwhere you point to00:03
crashanddiefsck didn't detect anything wrong, I'm going to try and create files manually into the directory00:03
BabelOdesertc: bad calibration ?00:03
crashanddieAStorm, no as in "where does the package manager download the files to ?"00:03
desertcBabelO: I'll try calibrating again00:03
AStormto some temp dir00:03
desertcI just noticed that Bluetooth Keyboard setting were available in the control panel.  Anyone used one with the N8x0 before?00:04
crashanddiedesertc, yeah00:04
crashanddiedesertc, I had a stowaway, awesome, sold it though00:04
crashanddieI'll have to get one again00:04
desertcIs it awesome?  Like the rest of the N8x0 ?00:04
desertcoops, you took the word out of my mouth00:05
jkucrashanddie, /var/cache/apt/archives/, but AppMgr clears downloaded packages IIRC00:05
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crashanddiejku, k, thanks00:05
desertc10 kilos of awesome in a 5 kilo bag00:05
crashanddieso I was just able to create a file there and write to it00:06
crashanddieSo I'd say my MC isn't completely toast00:07
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leo2007does abiword run on n810?00:09
crashanddieok... So I'm not the only one to have this problem:
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lcuk_2desertc, i have an apple wireless keyboard for my 81000:18
desertcworks well?00:18
lcuk_2its perfect for the device and lets me chat when sat in bed00:18
desertchot damn!00:18
lcuk_2i use the internal 810 keyboard when i go mobile though00:19
desertcthis little device keeps getting better00:19
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lcuk_2i like having the option00:19
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crashanddieFor anyone who has the same problem, I think I've found what it was all about00:19
elbhmmm media player won't play some mp3s that my desktop plays just fine00:19
desertcI was talking to a guy yesterday who was deciding between an iPhone and a N810.  I told him, these things have new features all the time.  In 10 years, I bet it will still be community supported.  No way that'll be the case with an iphone.00:20
elbI don't suppose there's any way to find out what it doesn't like, is there?00:20
desertcCan you put a price on openness and freedom?  I say, no!  \o/00:20
lcuk_2iphone will be - you can bet your ass when apple abandons them they will pick up00:20
LateralusCan anyone point me at any projects that auto start a daemon when the device boots?00:20
crashanddieThe problem comes from the "Internal Memory Card". The package manager uses that one to download packages to, and unfortunately, for some reason (maybe because it crashed during boot, or whatever), it switched to read only. An easy way to check for this is to try and copy something to the Internal Memory Card, it should say "Nothing to paste".00:21
lcuk_2the screen is just designed for touching and there are some nice bits on it00:21
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desertclcuk_2: but the drivers will never be open source00:21
crashanddieIf you have this: format the Internal Memory Card, everything should work again (warning, you will lose all the data)00:21
jottelb: there are some mp3fixer/checker utils that check if the header/bitrate etc data is consistent00:21
lcuk_2open source drivers will eventually be created for any wanted device00:21
desertclcuk_2: like the nvidia 3d cards?  ;)00:22
lcuk_2eventually, yes there will be 3d drivers for them00:22
lcuk_2if people still use them etc00:22
jott(or it might be some weird vbr files that the media player can't handle - don't know)00:22
lcuk_2take this 810 - it has powervr 3d rendering hardware built in - it will be usable one day by hook or by crook00:23
elbI just used lame00:23
desertclcuk_2: just about everything will happen given enough time, but it's unlikely anyone will reverse engineer the nvidia GPUs before we turn into pure energy to explore the cosmos.  ;)00:24
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elbout of 11 mp3s I encoded, 3 work -- the others it doesn't even pull the id3 out of00:24
MangoFusioni'm still waiting for a fully working linux port for my axim x50. don't think that is going to happen within the decade though ;)00:24
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lcuk_2given enough motivation it can occur - if a new device comes out tomorrow which is better though the motivation will fade :(00:25
desertclcuk_2: you say there are binary drivers for the N810 ?00:25
jottelb: still might be worth to use something like mp3check or mp3fixer00:25
jottjust to be sure :)00:25
elblooking now00:25
lcuk_2desert - the other nokia n series devices use the same cpu and make use of the pvr hardware.  the drivers might not exist in linux (though i think there is a binary somewhere from a different model) but they exist00:26
ccookelcuk_2: But isn't there a lack of memory on the GPU?00:26
desertcThis would indeed be significant if there were binary drivers in the N8x0.00:27
lcuk_2so? we can use lower resolution screens?00:27
ccookelcuk_2: ... Yeah. That'll be a "no", then00:27
elbthe ones that play and the ones that don't play have the same "anomaly" of no crc ... but no other complaints00:27
AStormdesertc, well, there are00:27
lcuk_2i believe the pvr can handle 640*480 internally - what games on maemo currently run over 400*240?00:28
AStormlcuk_2, it can handle up to 800x600 internally ;P00:28
AStormthe chip has 4 mb00:29
ccookeAStorm: .. IIRC, that's 4 megabit.00:29
lcuk_2hmmm is that purely for the framebuffer?00:29
AStormought to have been Mb00:30
LateralusCan anyone point me at any projects that auto start a daemon when the device boots? I have a project trying to accomplish this, but my daemon is never started.00:30
ccooke800x480x16bit requires 6.144 mbit00:30
AStormMB dang ;)00:30
MangoFusion8bit anyone? ;)00:30
lcuk_2i would be happy00:30
AStormLateralus, just use the usual runlevels00:30
desertcastorm: I am reading a forum post from "Matt Sealey, Genesi", who saying everything in PowerVR is open source00:30
lcuk_2even yuv12 would suffice00:31
AStormdesertc, itg is00:31
AStormhe meant the specs00:31
LateralusAStorm, I am. update-rc.d -f daemon start 99 5 . stop 1 0 6 . is the line I'm using in my postinst file00:31
desertcno, he meant the source00:31
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FunkyPenguinok if i want to lock the display on my n800 could someone refresh my memory as to how it is done, last i remember it was press power button once and select lock. am i still correct?00:31
shackandesertc: ask him where it is, then00:31
AStormdesertc, not the 3D part00:32
desertche says the binary drivers are only provided to distributions that are interested in them00:32
AStormframebuffer driver is there00:32
* elb tries ripping without id3v200:32
desertcanyway, you can read it here:
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AStormwhose part Kyro is nowadays?00:33
jkudesertc, "While it would be nice to have a fully open source and fully documented driver for XGI and PowerVR chips (as an example), sometimes this just isn't possible. "00:33
AStorm= lawsuits00:34
desertcjku: which refers to his previous sentence about distros requiring binary drivers00:34
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jkudesertc, they may have the source but that doesn't make it open source00:35
AStormWho is the owner of powervr tech currently?00:35
jkudesertc, they have probably paid and signed a stack of ndas00:35
AStormheh, yup00:35
desertcjku: keep reading, he says they can easily release the code to the blob later00:35
AStormI guess nvidia walks over some of these patents00:36
AStormdesertc, so why not now?00:36
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AStormtoo dirty? we can handle that00:36
jkudesertc, he does not say that00:36
desertcAStorm: I agree - it's disappointing to know there is a binary blob lurking in there00:36
AStormlawyers need appeasement?00:36
jkudesertc: "It's not going to be too much trouble for us to release the 3D blob"00:37
jkublob, not code00:37
desertcI took it to mean code00:37
AStormblob != code00:37
AStormthat would need a lot of rev-eng00:38
lcuk_2blob with imports and api docs would suffice for me :)00:38
desertcHe's responding to someone saying they won't release the code to the blob.  He responds by saying it would not be too much trouble00:38
AStormlike that nouveau project (aside, progressing nicely)00:38
lcuk_2i dont give a damn where its from - i want my 3-fluffin-d00:38
jkudesertc, he's very clear about it: no code, just a blob00:38
AStormI want my toolchain on N81000:38
jkubut read it like you want00:39
lcuk_2the interface would just work00:39
* desertc reads on, hoping for clarification.00:39
desertcJust rest assured we will not dump you guys with a device which has no drivers."00:39
lcuk_2perhaps we can go to nokia with this and say "the power guys told us to come knocking"  if enough of us knock loudly enough maybe someone will hear00:40
dragornThere seems to be debate about the powervr even being addressable on the nokias, I don't recall any answer from nokia one way or the other on the list00:40
dragornsimply that it would not be made to work00:40
desertcOkay, I guess this I would need to contact him directly.00:40
dragornso, good luck.  people have hassled nokia repeatedly on the mailing list, go look at the archives00:40
lcuk_2of course it could work - the lcd takes data from main memory and transports it every so often into its buffer00:41
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Naviyou won't get an answer if you knock on the door of an empty house O_o00:41
lcuk_2the lcd part doesn't care how the memory got there - it can come from the cpu other bits of memory, from the dsp or from the pvr00:41
desertcI actually have the name and number for a N8x0 project manager.  :)00:42
Navicall him every day00:42
desertcNow I just need to get him to call me back.  :(00:42
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AStormlcuk_2, mmio?00:42
AStormthen rev-eng would be fairly easy...00:42
pH5AStorm: rev-eng shouldn't be too hard once talking to the chip, the powervr binary drivers from the 2430 sdk are full of debugging symbols.00:43
NaviI have Mara's cell number; he does... something ^_^00:43
pH5but I couldn't get past reading the revision/version register until now00:43
desertcNavi: :-)00:43
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lcuk_2do we know anything about the expected data formats?00:44
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AStormblah, nokia messed up tghe deps off ezitext plugins00:45
lcuk_2ph5, could you send that oversomehow00:45
AStormthese dep on each and every language00:45
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AStormIwould like to uninstall some00:45
AStormor other l10n00:47
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pH5lcuk_2:, nothing interesting00:49
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AStormis evince better than osso pdf reader€?00:53
lcuk_2thx ph5 :) maybe some random poking about is required00:54
GeneralAntillesAStorm, yes and no.00:54
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I use both00:54
GeneralAntillesKind depends on the PDF.00:54
crashanddiehow can I format the internal memory card?00:55
AStormwith dosfstools00:56
GeneralAntillesOr the File manager.00:56
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, oh really ?00:56
LateralusAStorm, you know of any example of this working?00:56
lcuk_2hi GeneralAntilles :) havent seen you about for a few days00:56
GeneralAntillesIt's got a "Format" option right in the menu.00:56
AStorme.g. mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/mmcblk0p100:56
GeneralAntillesWas on spring break, lcuk_2.00:56
AStormafter unmounting it ofc00:57
lcuk_2nice :) enjoy it while you can00:57
GeneralAntillesAll gone now. :(00:57
lcuk_2how many nokias did you take?00:57
jottcrashanddie: remember that probably all n810 have a broken partition table for the internal 2gb card00:57
GeneralAntillesJust two00:57
AStormjott, it has the correct one ;P00:57
ds3hmmm anyone else noticed internettablettalk taking 20+ minutes to render on the 800?00:57
GeneralAntillesMy N800 and the N800 I gifted to my sister for her birthday. ;)00:57
AStormone partition00:57
GeneralAntillesAStorm, it ships oversized.00:58
AStormreally? have to fix it then00:58
* pH5 thinks finding out where the interrupt is on 2420 and how to switch the mbx's power state is needed next.00:58
crashanddieI can't umount the partition, can't format while mounted, I'm fscked00:58
GeneralAntillesYou have swap on?00:59
GeneralAntillesSomething using something on the card?00:59
crashanddiei'll deswap00:59
crashanddie"Unable to remove virtual memory"00:59
AStormclose apps00:59
AStormthen deswap01:00
lcuk_2you have swap enabled?  i thought it came disabled after a flash?01:00
AStormnope, it doesn't01:00
crashanddieapps closed01:00
crashanddiecan't deswap01:00
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AStormhow do i install coreutils in lieu of busybox?01:01
crashanddiewhere is the swap file stored ?01:02
crashanddieso I can use swapoff ?01:02
AStormand bash too01:02
AStormcrashanddie, yes, you should01:02
crashanddieswapoff /media/mmc2/.swap01:03
crashanddieRead-Only file system01:03
AStormswapoff -a?01:03
crashanddieseemed to have done it01:04
crashanddiebut still can't umount it01:04
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AStormyou have something open on it01:05
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crashanddieWell then it's a stock app01:05
crashanddiebecause I have nothing open01:05
crashanddieand swap is still active so to see01:05
ds3think I see why it is taking 10mins to render...damn flash01:06
ds3is there a quick way of disabling flash on OS2008?01:06
crashanddieds3, there's a plugin for the browser01:06
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crashanddieds3, which allows you to only activate the flash animations you tap01:06
GeneralAntillesAStorm, you'll break things.01:06
AStormthere's an option in menu01:06
ds3crashanddie: got a name for me to search from?01:07
AStormGeneralAntilles, like?01:07
GeneralAntillesIt wont boot if you replace busybox01:07
AStormI can redo it.01:07
ds3N800 + flash gives me pages for flashing the OS :(01:07
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, any idea what I should do ?01:07
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AStormds3 - press that button on the right of location bar01:08
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AStormds3, the zoom button01:10
AStormselect components and uncheck flash01:10
lcuk_2ive been thinking about interfaces on my 81001:11
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lcuk_2since the keyboard is so squashy - would it be a benefit to do overlay printouts to create big option buttons for our programs?01:11
lcuk_2ie, for book reader - essentially splitting the keyboard into just two big buttons - or using the whole top 3 rows as a color select01:12
lcuk_2qwertyuiop = red    asdfghjkl = green zxcvbnm = blue   - it the overlay just had that it would mean you can change color easily and not waste screen space01:13
crashanddiehow can I stop the internal memory card from being mounted on boot ?01:13
crashanddieit's not in fstab01:13
crashanddieI really need help here, my IT is basically broken01:15
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AStormcheck hal confiig01:15
AStormand/or udev config01:16
AStormblah, have to reboot01:16
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jmworxSomeone told me there was a Speex discussion going on that I might be interested in...01:17
jmworx(I'm the author of Speex)01:17
jottkulve and Robot101 are to ping i guess :)01:18
jkujnworks: <Robot101> I think the problem there is just that speex's RTP payloader/depayloader is broken in the version shipped in OS200801:19
jkujmworx, , even01:19
lcuk_2crashanddie, if its not working - flash it back to default and dont go messing in the bowels.  if its borked, take it back to nokia and tell them to fix it.  if its just not doing something specific take it from a clean slate and try again.01:20
crashanddielcuk_2, I bought it in the states, I'm in europe01:21
lcuk_2there may be something you are running or changing along the way which is leaving it in this state.  it might be an idea to actually completely cold start it (remove battery)01:21
lcuk_2you should still get support if its got a warranty01:22
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crashanddieyeah, not exactly a lot of nokia stores around though01:22
crashanddieanyway, other people have had this problem too01:22
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crashanddiesomehow, they managed to format the drive, but my guess is they didn't have the swap activated01:23
AStormeos time sync asks ntp for a pass :P01:23
crashanddieI can't mount the drive on my computer, because the IT just says "can't bla bla usb mode, card in use"01:24
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crashanddieI can't swapoff the swap because it's a read only drive01:24
crashanddieand I can't get it out of read only because the swap is mounted01:24
johnxit won't mount -o remount,rw ?01:25
jottcrashanddie: mount -o remount,rw ... ?01:25
jottjohnx: :)01:25
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crashanddieI love you guys01:26
crashanddieoh god01:28
* crashanddie hugs johnx and jott 01:28
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crashanddiewell, I guess I'll just redownload the GPS maps and everything, but that's probably the least of my worries01:29
crashanddieThanks guys01:29
johnxsure, good luck01:30
* GeneralAntilles johnx You still want that 770?01:30
jottis there actually a simple howto for re-creating a valid 2gb internal partition so we can point people to it?01:30
infobotmethinks partition is You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions." Partition01:31
jotthmm :)01:31
jkuvery useful01:31
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Mouseywhat no fdisk01:31
crashanddiejott, I'll write one !01:33
crashanddiebut not tonight01:33
crashanddiegot like 2 heavy exams tomorrow and everything xD01:34
jottgood luck :)01:34
crashanddieoh, well, the exams are no problem, and I have to reinstall a few things on the IT01:34
crashanddieit's just01:34
crashanddieif I start now, I don't think they'll appreciate me yawning like 3 times during the oral01:34
jotthehe yeah just keep in mind that you need to double check the partition table before actually filling it with stuff :)01:35
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WorkingOnWiseis there any way to get full flash 9 support on an N800?01:39
johnxI thought it had full flash 9 support in OS2008?01:39
pupnikjott any changes/hacks to uae4all?  i want to package it soon01:40
AStormhmm, does anyone here use eos time sync applet?01:40
AStormseems broken01:41
WorkingOnWiseI have OS 208 installed.01:44
WorkingOnWise2008 too..dual boot  :D01:44
jottpupnik: sorry, no time to do something useful there..01:45
johnxWorkingOnWise, alright, then you have flash 9. problem solved. :)01:45
crashanddieif only everyone's problem were that easy to solve01:45
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crashanddieproblems even01:45
AStormwell, I want to get rid of busybox01:46
AStormand boot from 2G flash01:46
WorkingOnWiseI and another N800 OS 2008 user has gone to the same site and cant share the cam like you can on a PC..I thought it was an incomplete Flash 9 implementation problem...01:46
AStorminstall real tools, not bb lookalikes01:46   any show, you should be able to put your cam into an open cam slot...but on the N800 I cant.01:47
AStormWorkingOnWise, no, probably lack of implementation on Adobe's part01:47
johnxWorkingOnWise, something about flash9 not support the V4L2 API for access to the camera, IIRC01:47
WorkingOnWiseso flash 9 on the N800 isnt the same as on the PC?01:48
Mouseycould you imagine.. pc's running ARM binaries?01:48
Mouseythat'd be neat01:48
Mouseybut neat01:48
AStormnot that slow01:48
WorkingOnWiseah...and on the N800, V4L2 API is what is used for cam functions?01:48
* Mousey points accusingly01:49
AStormthere probably are some emulators01:49
pupnikjott no problem - i just hope you don't mind if I put something up for download.  It's quite playable.01:49
pupnikThanks of course to KotCzarny01:49
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jottpupnik: yeah did you do anything about mouse from the original gp2x source?01:49
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johnxWorkingOnWise, yes, (again IIRC)01:50
AStormhmm, no hints on installing real tools on maemo instead of bb?01:50
pupnikno.  from what i understand there's a limit on the delta value for movement differential01:50
WorkingOnWiseso I'll have to give up on that site directly sharing my N800 cam...bummer01:50
MangoFusionpc's running ARM binaries? isn't that what scratchbox does?01:50
jottpupnik: well more or less.. it works fine with the follow mouse mode01:50
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jottpupnik: actual problem is, that the mouse down is sent before movement01:51
johnxAStorm, hint: it will probably be a real pain. First get "boot from sd" working, then try replacing stuff I guess01:51
AStormthere are pkgs01:51
johnxsome of the init scripts might have specific workarounds for busybox sh01:51
MouseyMangoFusion: fine fine, that's it, RAIN on my PARADE01:51
AStormhaved to replace a lot01:51
WorkingOnWiseso, next thing. My N800 is 5 hours old...DIGGIN IT! What it the most feature rich media player? MP3's, videos, internet radio... is there such an animal, or do I use several apps instead?01:52
AStormand fix init (mini-rc to sysv)01:52
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AStormWorkingOnWise, mplayer?01:52
johnxWorkingOnWise, have you checked out canola yet?01:52
AStormor canola (but some probs here with vid playback unlike mplayer)01:52
jkuWorkingOnWise, take a look at Canola2 (not free software though)01:52
johnxwell it's free, but not *free*...01:53
jkudo I have to start explaining it _here_?01:53
GeneralAntillesjku, no place on the internet is free from ignorance. :P01:54
AStormjohnx, howto on moving boot to sd? (temp.)01:54
AStormjust rsync and some initramfs mangling?01:54
johnxyeah, basically01:54
NaviZOMG GeneralAntilles EEZ BAK!!!!!111oneoneoneone01:55
GeneralAntillesI was never gone! <_< >_>01:55
johnxuse fanoush's initfs and just rsync or tar everything from internal flash onto sd01:55
WorkingOnWisehad to get dinner.. ok, so I'll check out Canola2. Thanks.01:55
AStormhave tgo boot iit in dev mode too01:55
rm_youjohnx: lol01:56
AStorm(blah, i suck at n810 keys)01:56
* KotCzarny bough igo stowaway today01:56
AStormjohnx, i want to, why not01:56
derfKotCzarny: I can see it's helped tons.01:56
rm_youomg GeneralAntilles! :P01:56
AStormKotCzarny, works good?01:56
johnxah, I thought you were saying it was required01:56
KotCzarnyderf: huh?01:57
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* rm_you lol's all around01:57
KotCzarnyastorm: i got back home few minutes ago01:57
johnxrm_you, might want to get that looked at :P01:57
KotCzarnyhaven't tested it yet01:57
Luriadamnation, someone beat me to a guitar on cl that i've always wanted.01:57
derfKotCzarny: Just laughing at your typo.01:57
rm_youjohnx: lol, did you get my random AIM earlier? :P01:57
Luriaor at least be me to reservation to buy01:57
AStormkonttori, much more tgime than needed to set it up01:57
KotCzarnyluria: overbid!01:57
Luriai was thinking about it01:58
derf<shiva> ya knwo why no typos? because im using other ocmputer, differetn ketboard.01:58
johnxrm_you, yup01:58
johnxthat is pretty random01:58
Luriai need to see pics tho, it could be the asian produced version, in which case, not such a great deal...01:58
AStormblah, no real vim in my repo...02:00
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johnxAStorm, you've seen Debian for the N800, right?02:00
Luriadamn, and ive been checking cl all day.02:00
AStormjohn, sure02:00
Luriaooh. debian...i'm so out of the maemo loop...02:01
johnxLuria, there's still a lot of tweaking left to do, but you can play around with it at this stage at least02:01
Luriahow reliable is input?02:01
Luriafor both pen/touch and bt?02:02
AStormjohnx, I come from Gentoo, i fear no Debian ,P02:02
johnxI have no idea about bt, but it should be fine02:02
Luriai can deal with a lot of things, but not feeling like i have control is the worst02:02
Luriawhat ui?02:02
johnxMaemo/Hildon by default, but you can install anything that has a Debian ARMEL port02:03
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AStormbut then, retooling maemo would be more fun02:03
Luriais it keeping to debian philosophy?02:04
johnxlot's of closed source stuff, just to make it boot02:04
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AStormcan't be more open yet02:04
johnxthere won't be an "open" Debian for the N800 until the following is replaced: wifi driver, binary blob for bt, sound/dsp code, Nokia dsme/bme02:05
AStormisn't wifi fully in user space?02:05
johnxlsmod | grep cx3110x02:06
AStormbt is an open typical chip afaicr?02:06
AStormhmm :/02:06
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johnxIIRC, there is a binary firmware blob that needs to be uploaded into it02:06
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johnxno issue really, but not "completely open"02:06
Luriayeah, i was hoping independant drivers had been written.02:08
Luriaoh well.02:08
johnxyeah, it turns out they don't write themselves02:08
johnxit's really not an issue for right now anyways02:08
johnxand actually bme is the biggest problem, I think02:09
AStormbme being?02:09
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johnxNokia's proprietary userspace battery monitoring / charging daemon02:09
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AStormthat could be easily opened by them... why not?02:11
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johnxI think the justification is that it might reveal some kind of proprietary magic they do with battery charging or something02:11
ds3johnx: what blob for BT?02:12
KotCzarnyor some kind of stupidity02:12
Luriaah, the mythical and nont functional set_apm_to_zpm method.02:12
AStormany real business can reverse that02:12
AStormhmm, can't directly update to devel maemo02:13
johnxds3, just going by what I heard...let me see if I can dig it up in a sec02:13
AStormgimme gvim ffs...02:14
ds3johnx: the only thing the bluetooth requires is 1 firmware file02:14
ds3the rest is in the linux-omap tree02:14
johnxds3, that's probably what I was thinking of02:15
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ds3johnx: but that is no worse then say a WiFi athereos card02:17
AStormhmm, installing devel maemo will take some time02:18
ds3now if someone could get the freemac to work on the 770/800... :)02:18
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AStormwifi is closed02:18
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chris___it looks like the Official mozilla builds for maemo are now being compiled every day:
chris___i just need to find an xulrunner shell app that'll work with it02:22
ds3AStorm: freemac is a project for a similar Connexant chipset to replace the closed softmac... from a search, the author has asked for people to try getting freemac working on the 800/770hardware02:23
AStormhehe :)02:24
AStormso not all hope is lost02:24
Robot101jmworx: don't know how interesting you'd find the speex story, but I think the rtp payloader/depay'r being broken isn't the prime cause of it being broken on maemo's rtcomm stuff after all, its that the farsight media library can't cope with mixing between the gstreamer src/sink elements which are codecs on the dsp, and normal software elements02:25
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Robot101the gstreamer things were at least made to work (the depayloader sends a header to the decoder, but this seems a suspect solution to me) in recent gstreamer02:26
AStormbrb, reboot for os update02:28
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Robot101but stream engine/farsight wasn't required to deal with some codecs being dsp src/sink elements, and some being software, so it either gets confused when you set, or don't set, pcm src/sink elements :(02:28
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desertcUQM looks awesome02:29
desertcThanks so much02:29
KotCzarnyanyone with bt kb?02:29
KotCzarnywhen do i enter pin during pairing?02:29
chris___Ok - instructions for getting FF 3.0 running on maemo:
chris___Screenshots there too02:30
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AStormhmm, have tgo prep scratchbox with devel maemo02:32
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ds3KotCzarny: on the keyboard?02:38
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chris___Holy cow02:40
chris___This thing is so much better than microB02:40
chris___and easy to install02:40
KotCzarnywow. finally. paired02:40
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AStorm1337  kernel hackers are using maemo02:41
KotCzarnybut now, how do i enter F3 etc?02:41
AStorm+1 for Nokia02:41
AStormKotCzarny, uhm,like,from the kkeyboard?02:41
KotCzarnyastorm: yeah02:41
KotCzarnygot them.02:42
KotCzarnyblue fn + a-l02:42
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KotCzarnynow. i have to learn how to type02:45
KotCzarnynow if powersaving wasn't such a .. chore02:47
WorkingOnWiseis the N800 capable of stereo bluetooth?02:47
johnxkinda, sorta :/02:48
WorkingOnWiseum....ok lol02:49
WorkingOnWiseexplain a little please ...hehe02:49
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KotCzarnyi'm gonna love this kb02:53
johnxWorkingOnWise, it only works with things that use mplayer for sound output and it takes up 50% of the CPU while running, sometimes it skips02:54
AStormwhee, got rid of the shift-notifier02:55
johnxalso, it takes a little time at the command line to setup02:55
AStormnow i need some leds :P02:55
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KotCzarnynow i should have reduce status bar icons02:57
KotCzarnyscratch 'have'02:58
AStormyup, smaller ones would be nice02:59
KotCzarnynot size02:59
AStormbut extremely hard to hit with fingers02:59
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KotCzarnylet's see if it works with n-gage too02:59
AStormxchat tray can be disabled i.e.02:59
cLinanyone use mediaserv?03:00
johnxI used it for a while03:01
cLindo you run windows?03:01
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cLinyou are suppose to set up transcode on the pc and mediaserv on the n800 right?03:02
KotCzarnyn-gage paired, but seems to require driver03:02
johnxmediaserv runs on the PC03:02
johnxyou *might* be able to make it run on the tablet with some hacking03:03
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johnxthat would be kind of interesting actually03:03
cLinwait, i thought the point would was to runon the n80003:03
johnxmediaserv runs on the PC, then transcodes and streams things to the tablet03:03
cLinyea, i want to do that03:04
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johnxI have no idea if it works on WIndows...03:04
GeneralAntillesIt's http03:04
GeneralAntillesCygwin plus hacking03:05
GeneralAntillesmediaserv serves up html pages with the videos03:05
GeneralAntillesclick the one you want03:05
GeneralAntillesit starts transcoding and streaming.03:05
cLinany tutorials?03:05
GeneralAntillesWhy would you want to run it under Windows, anyway?03:06
cLincause im on it and thats where my content is?03:06
GeneralAntillesInstructions: Install Linux, run mediaserv03:06
KotCzarnyand as a bonus kb pouch can be used for nokia too03:06
GeneralAntillesYou have Windows, there's a thousand and one better supported transcoding solutions.03:07
GeneralAntillesOrb, TVersity, etc, etc, etc03:07
cLinoh, just read that and wanted ot check it out03:07
johnxif you installed cygwin and the supporting software you might be able to make it probably won't be all that straightforward though03:08
cLinill check out tversity and orb03:08
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KotCzarnyclin: try virtualdub03:10
cLinisn't that a converter?03:10
KotCzarnywhat's the difference between transcoder and converter then?03:11
johnxKotCzarny, he wants something like mediaserv03:11
johnxhence the whole discussion03:11
KotCzarnyi was playing with a igo kb03:11
KotCzarnyso i didn't see most of it03:12
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fysatversity is the windows mediaserv alternative.03:33
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KotCzarnyyup. nice keyboard.03:49
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GeneralAntillesI wonder if anybody is planning on fixing bugzilla03:59
GeneralAntillesor maybe they've just thrown in the flag.03:59
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johnxhave you filed a bug? :P03:59
KotCzarnymore like on vacations03:59
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GeneralAntilles. . . clever.03:59
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GeneralAntillesThe db is read-only. :P04:00
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KotCzarnywhat a pity04:00
GeneralAntillesI say again, for anybody who missed it, the case logic portable hard drive case is perfect for N800 + iGo04:00
johnxsorry, I really couldn't resist...04:00
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desertcHere's a dumb question: Where's the microphone on the N800 ?04:08
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KotCzarnyon top04:08
GeneralAntillesLook at the case04:08
KotCzarnythat little hole04:08
GeneralAntillestake a guess. :P04:08
desertcI am always making VoIP calls and turning the device around asking if they can hear me04:08
GeneralAntilles(hint, it's on the top. :P)04:08
jackyShould maemo3.1 work with N800's OS2008? Thanks04:08
desertcwhat a weird place for the mic04:08
johnxjacky, OS2008 is maemo4.x04:08
KotCzarnyjacky: probably04:08
KotCzarnybut not guaranted04:09
johnxKotCzarny, uhm no04:09
GeneralAntillesWhy, desertc?04:09
desertcnot very phone-like -- I have to remember to use my headset04:09
GeneralAntillesIt's not a phone.04:09
johnxjacky, generally stuff for maemo3.x/OS2007 needs to be changed to work with OS2008/maemo4.x04:09
GeneralAntillesJust use it like a speakerphone04:09
KotCzarnydesertc: how do you use it?04:09
KotCzarnyit usually stands/pays on desk04:09
GeneralAntillesjacky, there are major API breaks between maemo 3 and 404:09
KotCzarnyjohnx: generally04:10
jackySo to develop on OS2008, I have to upgrade maemo3.1 to maemo4.x?04:10
KotCzarnyjacky: yes04:10
KotCzarnybut stuff developed with maemo4 won't work on maemo304:10
desertcwell - you typically have the speakers facing you, so you'd think the mic would face you, too04:10
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jackyThanks. I need to download the whole stuff again.04:10
KotCzarnydesertc: it faces you04:10
KotCzarnywhen you extend the stand04:10
KotCzarnyand put it on the desk04:11
desertcwhen I extend the stand, the mic is on the back04:11
KotCzarnynot quite04:11
desertcwell, not quite04:11
GeneralAntillesIt's a good mic04:11
GeneralAntillesNot really directional04:11
KotCzarnyalso remember that sound is a wave04:11
GeneralAntillesSo it doesn't really matter.04:11
jackyAnyone has experience in compiling external kernel module for the OS2008?04:11
KotCzarnythat will reach it anyway04:11
KotCzarnyjacky: external?04:12
desertcGeneralAntilles: okay, thanks - you're right, no one has ever complained about it04:12
GeneralAntillesThe real signal-quality killer is voip. ;)04:12
jackyI need some help on to setup the environment and the instruction to do so. Thanks04:12
johnxjacky, yes, there's a tutorial on recompiling the kernel that you should look at04:12
KotCzarnyjacky: maemo.org04:12
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KotCzarnyonce you have scratchbox + sdk it's just regular ocnfigure & make04:13
KotCzarnyor make config & make04:13
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KotCzarny(in case of the kernel)04:13
johnxjacky, info here:
KotCzarnyor if you can fix one line in kernel's makefile you can even use make menuconfig04:13
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jackyThanks, I just need ipqueue.ko module. I want to use an ad-hoc routing protocol which requires ipqueue.ko. I will see the instruction here.Thanks04:15
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johnxno problem. that should be perfectly straightforward04:15
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oobquestion; I have an n810. whenever I start an application that can take text input, a box pops up at the bottom of the screen that has "ABC" written in the bottom corner. WHat is this box for and how do I make it go away?04:25
johnxI have an N800 but I think that's the text completion box04:26
johnxthere's a setting for it in the control panel04:26
johnx(I think)04:26
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oobcheers johnx04:32
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dragornoob: you have to dig into the language settings05:13
dragornoob: but it's there.  it's in a non-intuitive location05:14
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oobthanks dragorn, much appreciated.05:18
dragornif you can't find it, let me know, and I'll look again.  it took me weeks to dig it up05:19
dragornI think it's like 2 windows deep in language settings05:19
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WorkingOnWisehow can I get stereo bluetooth on the N800 with OS 2008? I cant find a how too....05:26
Proteousfirst you get two N800s...05:26
johnxit *only* works in things that use mplayer, such as kagu05:27
johnxit will not work with the included media player05:27
WorkingOnWiselol at Proteous05:28
oobdragorn; settings..control panel..text input settings..languages..settings05:28
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johnxKotCzarny, that's awesome...I wonder why they were videoing it though05:28
WorkingOnWisedoes it work with Canola05:29
KotCzarnymaybe those workers were struggling with it05:29
dragornoob: sounds right.  it's definitely not easy to find.05:29
johnxKotCzarny, if the dude with the camera actually gave them a hand...05:29
KotCzarnyor maybe it was weird to see something that big in exclusive building05:29
johnxWorkingOnWise, I don't actually know...05:29
johnxyou could test it and tell me, and I'll update that post :D05:30
WorkingOnWiseI'll have to see then. I have a shiney new N800 and a Motorola S9 stereo bluetooth headset05:30
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oobdragorn: - truly. thanks for saving me weeks trying to find it05:31
johnxI just switched back to wired headphones for now. Theoretically Nokia is working on it and maybe we'll see stereo bluetooth in the next major release05:31
WorkingOnWisecan I expect the next major release to work with the N800?05:32
* Navi bets johnx is a liar05:32
WorkingOnWiseso, whats the most feature rich PIM for the N800?05:32
NaviPimlico is my personal favorite05:33
johnxWorkingOnWise, GPE comes to mind. also the o-hand pimlico stuff is a little more slick but not as feature-rich05:33
johnxNavi, eh? about the next release or about the a2dp?05:33
Naviabout your existence.  You don't exist.05:33
Proteousthere is no spoon05:33
* Navi swallows a handful of blue pills05:33
NaviLol :)05:33
NaviJust give Pimlico a bit of time05:34
Navislick stuff05:34
WorkingOnWisedoes the back cover on all N800's move around?05:35
Navimove around?05:35
Navioh, kinda05:35
WorkingOnWisefeels very cheap05:35
GeneralAntillesUnit is solid as a rock.05:36
NaviNot really :/05:36
KotCzarnyeither that05:36
KotCzarnyot 2kg in your pocket05:36
NaviThe cheap feeling, that is05:36
johnxmine's stood up pretty well to lots of abuse05:36
NaviI've already dropped it a few times into concrete05:36
Naviaccidentally, of course :/05:37
WorkingOnWisei'll NOT test that  :D05:37
* Navi is clumsy05:37
WorkingOnWisedarn gravity05:37
johnxgah, I remember having my Zaurus C1000 fly out of my hands and bounce across blacktop O_o05:37
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johnxhelpful pictures included05:38
KotCzarnyyou mean asphalt?05:39
johnxasphalt I guess05:39
johnxwhatever :P05:39
KotCzarnyactually asphalt is a little more flexible than concrete05:40
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johnxthis stuff was pretty rough though05:40
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johnxmy poor zaurus ended up with a nice scuff mark on the corner, but no other damage05:40
GeneralAntillesDropped mine on concrete a couple times.05:40
KotCzarnyactually if device is light it will suffer less damages05:40
GeneralAntillesThe grippiness has pretty much worn off my N800.05:41
GeneralAntillesThe plastic is very slick these days. <_<05:41
KotCzarnyit will hit slower05:41
GeneralAntillesLanded on corners05:41
GeneralAntillescan't even tell.05:41
NaviI've owned my fair share of junk that's made out of cheap plastic05:41
GeneralAntillesYou ARE junk made of cheap plastic. :P05:42
KotCzarnyi wonder when they produce 'computer in a cheap', complete with wireless communications/power source05:42
KotCzarnywithout any external pins05:42
* Navi cries to KotCzarny05:42
GeneralAntillesAlso, it was way more than your fair share you greedy bastard.05:42
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KotCzarnyand size of a postal stamp05:43
KotCzarnyof course05:43 batteries05:44
maxkillaAnyone have tcpdump for n770?05:44
ProteousI'm waiting for my "computer in a chimp"05:44
KotCzarnyin a chirp05:44
* GeneralAntilles put Linux on a dead badger last summer.05:44
KotCzarnyin a chink?05:45
KotCzarnyin a cheese05:45
GeneralAntillesThese Tor books work great in FBReader.05:46
KotCzarnylol.. in a chic05:47
KotCzarnyor chick05:47
KotCzarnyor child05:47
oobI've connected an N810 to Asterisk. The N810 can make outbound calls but cannot receive calls. Asterisk reports that the N810 is sending back an error; Got SIP response 405 "Method Not Allowed" back from n81005:48
* pupnik rocks out to traditional laos music05:48
NaviI love using comix for mah manga :305:48
oobquestion - what method does the n810's SIP client not allow? :)05:48
Proteousthe method named "Not Allowed"05:48
KotCzarnyi have yet to see good image browser05:48
ProteousI just delete that method and everything works fine05:48
GeneralAntillesOne of the ones that's not allowed. :P05:48
KotCzarnywith animated-gifs support05:49
johnxNavi, does it work well?05:49
Navijohnx, after a bit of modification, yes05:49
Proteousoob: in reality, no idea05:49
KotCzarnyirfanview is my favourite05:49
KotCzarnybut no source code..05:49
oobProteous, really? :)05:49
oilinkioob: most likely 'options' which the server does not understand05:49
Naviperformance wise, it's okay05:50
oilinkithen again. you might need the stun support with the sip server.05:50
KotCzarnyis that legal?05:50
Navimanga pages are usually high resolution scans so if you don't zoom, it'll eat up cpu clock05:51
KotCzarnyzooming will eat cpu too05:51
ooboilinki, here's the thing; i've set the n810 up identically to an n95 which works. okay one is symbian and the other is linux but they're both from the same manufacturer05:51
KotCzarnyoob, now that's something05:51
Naviso I read stuff in fit-to-width mode05:51
GeneralAntillesoob, your point? :P05:51
oilinkioob: sip stacks can still be different. and also depends of your home router05:52
KotCzarnyoob: it's not the manufacturer, it's the os/app05:52
oobmy point, dear GeneralAntilles is that it should work without me having to think about it :)05:52
WorkingOnWisejohnx where do I get mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.25.n8x0_armel or a higher version?05:52
KotCzarnyoob: dear windows user..05:52
GeneralAntillesStill in Extras Devel?05:52
oobooh, harsh05:52
GeneralAntillesLook it up on anyway, WorkingOnWise.05:53
KotCzarnyoob: may be osx05:53
WorkingOnWiseok ty05:53
KotCzarnyif that comforts you05:53
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oobstill fairly harsh05:53
KotCzarnyoob: you either pay to get the job done or fix it yourself05:53
KotCzarnyfe. looking for another client :)05:54
johnxoob, is this with the rtcomm beta?05:54
GeneralAntillesoob, it was a general question to the group. I wasn't sure if it had been moved into Extras proper yet.05:54
oobjohnx - no idea, never heard the term rtcomm. i'm using the default sip client that came with the n810 out-of-the-box05:54
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Navi.25 is in Extras05:54
oilinkioob: which service are you using?05:55
Navi.26 is in Extras Devel05:55
ooboilinki, service? I'm using my own asterisk05:55
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oilinkioob: ok. can you use tcpdump on the machine which runs the asterisk05:57
johnxso, does anyone know if the rtcomm beta stuff upgrades / fixes sip support in any way?05:57
ProteousI took a tcpdump once, then I flushed my cache05:57
* Proteous takes the channel on a wild ride to the bottom05:58
* KotCzarny yawns05:58
Proteousactualy, if it was wild I might be fun, but it's pretty boring, sorry everyone05:59
Proteousman I fail at typing05:59
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johnxand/or where are we going and why are we in this handbasket?05:59
Proteouswhere's peer when you need him05:59
* KotCzarny yawns again05:59
* Proteous hands KotCzarny some coffee05:59
oobhome time. thanks for your help chaps06:00
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KotCzarnyi don't do coffee06:00
KotCzarnyi have my standards.06:00
Proteous/dcc send KotCzarny tea06:00
KotCzarnygreen, with lemon plz.06:01
oilinkibtw. how is the debian for maemo going on?06:01
johnxdebian for the N8x0 tablets? I haven't done much work on it recently06:02
johnxeverything is pretty much there except for sound and more optimization of power management06:02
oilinkijohnx: ok. thanks for the info.06:02
KotCzarnyrequirements for a sound card: p3@800, 340mb hdd space, 128mb ram06:03
* Proteous renames KotCzarny to CaughtCrazy06:04
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dick-richardsoncan you compile apt v.0.7 for os2008? or possibly aptitude?06:44
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johnxdick-richardson, any specific version of aptitude you're looking for?06:47
dick-richardsonany idea where I could find the source?06:47
dick-richardsonnot really...I just would like to remove unneeded dependencies I have installed06:47
johnxwell the source is at of course...06:47
KotCzarnyisn't apt installed by default?06:47
dick-richardsonmakes sense, I'd guess06:48
KotCzarnyor it's something different than apt-get ?06:48
dick-richardsonapt is, yes...but doesn't include autoremove06:48
KotCzarnywhat's autoremove?06:48
johnxremoves libs that were automatically installed with a package, once that package has been removed06:49
KotCzarnynot bad06:49
infobotjohnx meant: removes dependenciess that were automatically installed with a package, once that package has been removed06:49
johnxtrying to build aptitude right now...we'll see how it goes06:51
dick-richardsonwhich architecture are you choosing?06:51
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johnxI'm building the source package under scratchbox06:51
johnxthe binary package prolly won't help you without some hacking...06:52
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pupnikmore laos
dick-richardsonouch :(06:58
dick-richardsonI broke apt06:58
johnxdid you try to install the binary package?06:59
dick-richardsondespite knowing that it probably wouldn't work06:59
dick-richardsonso...don't install the binary :P06:59
dick-richardsonapplication manager says nothing is installed07:00
KotCzarnyyou still have dpkg07:00
KotCzarny:)07:00 break07:00
dick-richardsondpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of apt:07:01
dick-richardson nokia-certified-domain depends on apt.07:01
dick-richardson nokia-repository depends on apt.07:01
johnxget the regular apt from and pkg -i apt*deb07:01
dick-richardson nokia-system-domain depends on apt.07:01
dick-richardson maemo-extras-domain depends on apt.07:01
dick-richardson osso-core-busybox depends on apt.07:01
dick-richardson nokia-selected-domain depends on apt.07:01
dick-richardsondpkg: error processing apt (--remove):07:01
dick-richardson dependency problems - not removing07:01
dick-richardsonErrors were encountered while processing:07:01
dick-richardson apt07:01
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dick-richardsonI don't have make :/07:07
johnxon the tablet?07:07
dick-richardsonto compile from source07:07
KotCzarnydick: do you have windows?07:07 need scratchbox07:07
dick-richardsonand can't install it since apt is gone :P07:07
dick-richardsonno, linux...kubuntu feisty07:07
johnxdick-richardson, *download* the .deb from and dpkg -i07:07
dick-richardsonyeah, still looking07:08
KotCzarnyinstall scratchbox/sdk07:08
KotCzarnyand use it to compile07:08
dick-richardsonnever understood what scratchbox was07:08
johnxa build environment07:08
KotCzarnytreat it as a vmware07:09
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dick-richardsonok, that makes sense07:09
KotCzarnyfor compiling programs07:09
dick-richardsonso I don't screw apt up on the unit itself07:09
dick-richardsonthat's a really good idea07:09
johnxapt is here:
johnxthe implementation leaves something to be desired but it pretty much works, and it beats trying to crosscompile by hand07:10
dick-richardsonthank you john! I tried searching for it under their downloads07:10
Italodanceoh GOOD MORNING :D07:10
dick-richardsonI need the armel.deb, right?07:11
dick-richardsonand I'm back :D07:12 you got off lucky this time, forcing depends on packages can lead you to a reboot loop really quick on the tablet07:13
dick-richardsonnext I'll try moving the kernel07:13
johnxdebian != ITOS07:13
dick-richardsonI'm slowly learning07:13
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johnxbasically just make sure anything you care about is backed up before messing around and you won't really have to worry07:14
dick-richardsonoh lord yes...i'm backed up all to hell07:14
johnxgood, then have fun and don't sweat it07:14
dick-richardsonsounds good...where's a good place for the kernel ;)07:15
johnxjust don't try and format or repartition the NAND flash (mtdblock0,1,2) and you're all set07:15
KotCzarnydick: why do you need another kernel?07:15
johnxthe more kernels the better! I have 8 or 9 and this thing flies!07:16
dick-richardsonI was referring to moving the actual, running kernel07:16
KotCzarnyerm, moving?07:16
johnxKotCzarny, he was joking, I believe :P07:16
dick-richardsonyes...analogous to screwing with apt w/o having the compiling tools to rebuild it07:16
KotCzarnyjohnx: he managed to break apt07:16
Italodanceis someone from maemo website here?07:17
KotCzarnydick: why would you need to rebuild it?07:17
dick-richardsonKotCzarny: i was attempting to make a joke07:17
KotCzarnyah, ok07:17
dick-richardsonabout as successful as my attempt to install the apt.deb from debian.org07:18
GeneralAntillesXFade would be who you're looking for, Italodance.07:18
GeneralAntillesKotCzarny seems to be playing the roll of local troll, dick-richardson. You can ignore him. ;)07:18
KotCzarnyoho, id got a hook on another wictim07:19
KotCzarnyga seems be playing the roll of local troll, dick-richardson. You can ignore him. ;)07:19
KotCzarnythough ga seems to be more 'pink-webchat' style macho-ruler07:21
dick-richardsonYou are about to do something potentially harmful.07:26
dick-richardsonTo continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'07:26
johnxyour tablet won't boot after you do that :)07:26
KotCzarnywhat are you breaking?07:26
GeneralAntillesDo it! Do it! Do it!07:26
dick-richardsonlol! I'm not exactly certain I'm in the right frame of mind to be compiling software right now :P07:27
dick-richardsonyou see, it was st. patty's day, I'm I'm very celtic07:27
KotCzarnyyou're very drunk07:27
KotCzarnybut maybe not07:27
johnxit was st. patty's day like 3 days ago, right?07:27
KotCzarnynot much typos07:27
dick-richardsonin the US it was the 17th07:28
johnxah, nvm, I thought it was the 14th for some reason O_o07:29
dick-richardsonI hope I'm not still looped in 3 days :(07:29
ProteousI'm eating my corned beef and cabbage right now07:30
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GeneralAntillesWent to a party Sunday night.07:30
dick-richardsonthat's good stuff07:30
Proteousit can be07:31
Proteousmine is07:31
Italodanceos2008 is chinook   yes?07:33
dick-richardsonwhy does grep conflict with busybox?07:34
KotCzarnybecause busybox has grep substitue07:34
KotCzarnyand scripts are written for busybox's versions of utils07:35
johnxand Nokia didn't use "update-alternatives" for some stupid reason07:35
KotCzarnyand may fail on regular ones07:35
dick-richardson= not debian...yep, slowly learning07:35
KotCzarnydebian, but with issues07:36
inzjohnx, grep isn't using alternatives on normal debian system either07:38
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johnxinz, fair enough then I guess. Maybe I was thinking of angstrom then, which copes well with busybox stuff being replaced by standalone tools07:39
KotCzarnyjohnx, replacing is not a problem07:39
KotCzarnyrewriting/checking system scripts is07:40
johnxthen apt-get install grep and tell me how well your tablet works...07:40
johnxyou still can't apt-get install grep without it ripping out busybox07:42
KotCzarnyyeah, i know07:43
johnxfixing boot scripts is probably a one day job07:43
johnxthey're not *that* complicated...07:43
KotCzarnybugs can be hard to spot07:44
GeneralAntillesGotta do it for each update.07:44
johnxI don't really think you'll have many issues going from busybox to gnu utils07:45
johnxUsually the pain is going the other way07:45
johnxhmm...though mount comes to mind07:46
KotCzarnyand bash07:46
johnxbash is sh compatible07:46
johnxsh is not bash compatible :)07:46
johnxKotCzarny, care to give an example?07:46
KotCzarnymemory footprint07:47
johnx(that will work with busybox sh, but not bash)07:47
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KotCzarnyand i can tell any example from the top of my head07:47
johnxmemory footprint isn't a deal breaker for many people07:47
dick-richardsonthere's no real way around the grep limitation in busybox :/07:48
KotCzarnybut i remember having problems running scripts made for busybox's ash in bash07:48
KotCzarnydick: unpack, copy to /usr/local/bin07:48
johnxdick-richardson, if you're feeling lucky just run dpkg -X grep.deb /07:48
johnxsee what happens07:48
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inzKotCzarny, I really doubt real grep would break anything07:54
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Italodance   is it working for u?  can u sign up?08:04
GeneralAntillesThe db is read-only08:04
GeneralAntilles4-ish days now.08:04
Italodanceuhh so we should waiting...08:08
GeneralAntillesDon't have a mainline to the people who can fix it.08:09
inzHas anyone made a bug about 'zilla being broken?... oh wait...08:09
GeneralAntillesThat would normally be bugzilla.08:09
GeneralAntillesBut, ^08:09
GeneralAntillesAnybody want to try some SQL attacks to see if they can fix the db? :P08:11
Italodancewhy none from maemo website isn't here?08:12
Italodancelol here is their official irc chat and they aren't here08:12
GeneralAntillesBecause they're busy people with better things to do with their time than idle 24/7 in IRC.08:13
jkua) It's not like this is an official support channel08:13
GeneralAntillesA lot of maemo people are in and out.08:13
jkub) it's 8 o'clock in Helsinki08:13
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jkuc) it's Nokia -- they probably can't get throught the firewall :)08:14
ItalodanceGeneralAntilles  but only 1 person can be here  isn't he?08:14
Italodancehere is 9:45 in Tehran08:15
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inzjku, facts will do you no good here, stop defending them!-)08:16
GeneralAntilles<nonsense />08:17
GeneralAntillesYour facts are rigid and brittle!08:17
KotCzarny^ troll08:17
GeneralAntillesBehold the power of my emotion!08:17
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KotCzarnyjku: there's always or however it was called08:23
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KotCzarnyerm. s/however/whatever/08:25
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inzKot, "Give an IRC geek an webirc and he gives you saliva"08:31
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KotCzarnyinz: i have 2 plastic/glass screns to keep me safe from saliva08:37
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KotCzarnymy friends dog has diabetes08:39
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AStormhmm, how do I make a keymap for this:08:46
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AStormcan't find the def files08:47
AStormare these only in the source?08:48
KotCzarnynice find08:51
AStormI'll try shift+fn08:52
KotCzarnyespecially command navigator08:53
KotCzarny"A task navigator applet, i.e. a menu that replaces the default web or contact menu."08:53
AStormthat is, level4 shift08:53
* KotCzarny purrs08:53
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* johnx preferes personal-menu08:55
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AStormjohnx, link?08:58
AStormhave to create PL locale09:00
johnxC-locale FTW :)09:00
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rm_youi wish my n800 would stop rebooting >_<09:03
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KotCzarnyrm_you: still?09:03
AStormjohnx, sorry, bad currency and date09:04
AStormand 12h time :P09:04
AStormans separators09:05
AStormI want a small version of clock on the left of the screen too09:05
rm_youKotCzarny: I haven't flashed it yet... i just tried removing stuff / resetting applets09:06
rm_youno good :/09:06
revrm_you: it reboots? mine just shuts down randomly, while in sleep and not.09:07
AStormhmm, what did you guys do to her?09:07
revrm_you: not sure if it's a clean shutdown or not, often happens while the screen is locked or there was just a time-out09:07
rm_youyeah mine sometimes shuts down, sometimes reboots09:07
rm_youi got to WATCH it reboot three times yesterday09:08
revAStorm: i didn't do anything- it happens on a virgin flash too09:08
rm_youbut before that it was shutting off completely in my pocket09:08
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AStormsounds like non-contacting battery09:08
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revrm_you: mine doesn't do it that often, and i've never been able to watch... but mine doesn't seem to do it when it's being actively used, like playing mp3s09:08
rm_youyeah it was like that for about 2 weeks09:08
rm_youi couldnt ever catch it in the act09:09
rm_youand then all the sudden, it started happening when i was HOLDING IT09:09
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revAStorm: perhaps, but i don't see how that'd be the case, not when it turns off randomly in a very stable environment.09:09
revmine didn't start doing that09:09
revand i think there's a newer image to install09:09
* rev knocks on plood09:09
* rm_you opens the plood09:10
AStormi really think it's the battery09:10
AStormhmm, I know what I'll do with the key layout09:11
KotCzarnyrm_you: does it reboot when plugged too?09:11
AStormchange some key to be compose :D09:11
AStormand add diacritic (that is, ogonek)09:11
AStormbonus - can add umlauts too09:12
rm_youKotCzarny: yes09:12
rm_youanyone here an engineer? :P09:13
rm_youor work on DIY projectors? (ie, lumenlab stuff)?09:13
pupniki have two overheads here waiting for LCDs09:13
AStormrm_you, hmm, sounds very bad09:14
AStormdoes it feel hot?09:14
rm_youpupnik: want to look at a Google Sketchup of my projector box and tell me if i'm retarded or not? :P09:14
rm_youAStorm: not at all09:14
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KotCzarnygoogle ketchup09:14
pupniki'm just going to use the commercial ones09:14
pupnikbut sure!09:14
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KotCzarnyit's late09:17
KotCzarnyok, bbl09:17
AStormhmm, can N810 output video out?09:18
AStormsome hack?09:18
AStormusbvga cable?09:18
johnxwhat speed does the N8x0 USB host run at?09:18
johnxis it 12Mb/s or (up to) 480Mb/s?09:19
AStormhave to connect some hub and test09:20
AStormwith ma 0,5G laplink cable09:20
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AStormit does support "simple usb metworking", right?09:22
AStormis there a dead_ogonek key in X?09:30
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Italodancesomeone knows how can i use internet on my n800 with pc usb?09:42
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johnxgrab this here: on your windows machine and don't do anything with it yet09:43
johnxthen, on the tablet, get root access and type insmod g_ether09:44
johnxand tell me if that works or causes an error message09:44
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Italodancewhere i can add USB Ethernet RNDIS.inf09:45
johnxjust download it for now09:46
johnxdon't do anything with it09:46
inzooh, acknowledgement of bugs.m.o b0rkedness on maemo-dev09:46
Italodancei can't download USB Ethernet RNDIS.inf   it is not available09:46
johnxit works here09:47
qwerty12Not here too :)09:47
Italodanceyes the page can't find it...?09:47
johnxok, go to this page, scroll down to where it talks about "Nokia770 USB Ethernet RNDIS.inf" and click on one of the "here" links09:48
Italodancesend it to me09:48
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Italodancesend it to me please :D09:49
johnxit's linked on the page09:49
Italodancei found it...09:49
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Italodance   it works  :D ok and ?09:50
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johnxon the tablet get root access09:50
johnxdid you already install easyroot?09:50
GeneralAntillesThere's an applet that handles it all for you, isn't there?09:51
Italodanceeasyroot 1 kn is ready on my tablet09:51
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johnxGeneralAntilles, is it out for OS2008? please tell me it is O_o09:52
qwerty12it is09:52
johnxqwerty12, I seem to have trouble finding it. I'd appreciate a link or a pointer in the right direction. :)09:53
qwerty12Do you mean "usb_otg_sb"09:53
qwerty12That's the one I have09:53
qwerty12By Kate Aloha (spelling, sorry Kate)09:53
johnxnah, the one for usb networking to a PC09:53
GeneralAntillesThat one does USBnet09:54
johnxwell awesome09:54
qwerty12USBnet and usb networking are different?09:54
johnxItalodance, I have a much better answer for you then. hang on a sec. :)09:54
johnxqwerty12, since it had "otg" in the name I figured it had to do with host mode09:54
qwerty12The applet I got says network device mode & usb ethernet mode. I'm confused, sorry.09:55
Italodancejohnx ok i am here for u :D09:55
* qwerty12 blinks09:55
johnxqwerty12, nope, you're correct. :) I'm confused09:55
qwerty12^-^, oh right. I've only ever gotten usb networking to work under linux anyway so I'm intrested in hearing what you have to say too :)09:56
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, there's no difference.09:56
GeneralAntillesThe OTG applet handles all the finicky switching for you.09:57
GeneralAntillesVery nice.09:57
qwerty12Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up.09:57
johnxAFAIK, you just need that inf under windows09:57
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* GeneralAntilles bought one of jolouis's adaptors.09:57
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qwerty12Does anybody know what the CONFIG_MUSB_PIO_ONLY option does btw? Seems a bit restricting.09:57
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solmumahausb-otg-plugin seems to crash on me from time to time09:58
Italodancehi Tama^2 :p09:58
qwerty12Ah, forget it, gtg. Bye all, school :(09:58
Tama^2Hi italo :P09:58
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johnxis this the usb otg/networking statusbar applet?
johnxI'll guess "yes"09:59
johnxgreat, thanks09:59
Tama^2mmm I guess yes09:59
Tama^2thank you09:59
johnxItalodance, go here: and download that .deb file and copy it to your N80010:00
solmumahafunny thing, that plugin works with ntfs, usb control does not10:00
Italodanceok 1 min10:00
Italodancejohnx done next?10:02
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johnxdoes it display a little usb symbol in the statusbar area?10:02
Italodancei need to install it on my n800 yes?10:02
johnxah, yes10:02
johnxdo that :)10:02
Italodance1 sec10:02
Italodancejohnx yes usb symbol in the statusbar10:03
johnxhang on, eating lunch10:07
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LoCusFhow can I decrease font size in Echo theme on N810, I mean where can I find the configuration file to edit?10:17
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GeneralAntillesLoCusF, there are 12 and 14pt themes available on garage10:22
GeneralAntillesHowdy, X-Fade.10:22
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wazdmorning all :)10:27
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jackyleequestion: I want to copy the scratchbox and maemo-sdk installed on one machine to another machine. What should I do.10:30
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rm_youso, yeah...10:33
jackyleeShould this be possible?10:34
rm_youthe linux sdk?10:35
rm_youor are you using the vmware sdk?10:35
jackyleeLinux sdk10:35
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jackyleeI don't want to do the bored stuff again10:36
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jackyleeAnyone met the same problem. Thanks10:38
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jku jackylee, scratchbox does installs stuff to system dirs too10:42
jkucould be trivial though10:42
jackyleeSo I have to reinstall it one machine after another If i get your meaning.^_^10:43
jkuwell, you can try copying but there will be at least some hurdles on the way...10:44
jkuinit scripts and user/group at least10:45
jackyleeI see. I will have a try.Thanks^_&10:45
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Italodancewhat is maemo_sdk_4?10:46
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JaffaMorning, all10:53
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GeneralAntillesHowdy, Jaffa.10:58
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aquatixmorning all11:17
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: check it out:
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rm_youthat's what i've been working on since my n800 started being batshit insane11:34
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Jaffarm_you: what's a .skp file?11:52
rm_youGoogle Sketchup11:52
christefanois anyone using the rotation hack at ?11:54
johnxchristefano, yup. It works as advertised. :)11:55
BTobotrasreflashing the kernel? oh horror, horror11:56
christefanothat's cool. is it indeed necessary to reflash with the modified firmware?11:56
GeneralAntillesIt's not firmware11:56
christefanooh, okay.11:56
GeneralAntillesIt wont tell the LCD controller to do the right things if you don't.11:56
BTobotrasmodified kernel link is broken there12:03
BTobotrasoh, no, second link works12:04
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BTobotrashave yet to figure out how to use flasher...12:15
solmumahaBTobotras: it's easy to flash the kernel with fanoush's flasher on the device itself12:16
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Italodancejohnx are u forgot me?12:20
johnxbusy in real life12:20
* Tama^2 thinks of "all your base.."12:21
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aquatixTama^2: :)12:21
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aquatixall your attention are belong to us!12:21
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womis there some way of telling N810 jump to bt (3G) connection when device is moved away from wlan12:23
womit doesn't do that automatically12:23
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womok there seems to be.. just in config dialog :)12:31
womshame on me for not looking first :)12:32
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sp3000bugzilla seems happy again12:44
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kulveTester_: feel free to comment on the bug :)12:48
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armerHi, Do anyone know if there is a way to access the hardware OMAP's timers under control of Maemo?13:12
kulvezuh: didn't you check something related to the timers?13:13
kulvenot through a maemo api though13:13
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arodriguezi'm having problems to install sdk 4.0.1 on a gentoo linux, anyone has been able to do it and could help me, please?13:17
kulvejust tell the problem. Maybe then somebody realizes he knows the answer and replies..13:17
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arodriguezwhen running I get some errors... looks like I tries to use dpkg...13:19
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arodriguez'it' tries... not me, sorry :)13:20
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arodriguezdo I need to install dpkg before running that script?13:21
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trickiearodriguez: it should be doing that in the scratchbox13:21
trickiei didn't need to install dkpg on gentoo to run the scratchbox13:22
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snake_mountainNeed help installing sqlite on N770?13:24
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snake_mountainAnyone have success installing sqlite3?13:26
arodrigueztrickie, that's what I get:
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trickiearodriguez: i cannot remember exactly, but i think you can specify not to install scratchbox from debs, but from tarballs13:29
trickieeither that or there is different install script for doing so13:30
arodriguezscratchbox was installed from tarballs...13:30
trickieseperately from this script?13:31
arodriguezthe first script i ran was I ran it as root, and it automatically did the install from tarballs13:32
trickieah ok13:33
arodriguezthen I added my user to the scratchbox, started the cpu transparency, relogged with my user and then, when tried to install sdk i got those erros...13:33
kaatis__arodriguez, look at the command line help. there's an option to install from tarballs13:33
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trickiearodriguez: you should also stop the scratchbox service13:34
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trickiearodriguez: the script exits when it detects that you have a scratchbox session running13:38
arodriguezif I stop it using 'sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop' then I get other errors13:39
trickiepaste plz13:39
arodriguezE: Scratchbox user's /dev is not properly set up. Couldn't read /dev/null.13:40
arodriguezE: Start scratchbox service with 'sudo /scratchbox//sbin/sbox_ctl start'.13:40
arodriguezE: Specify an alternative installation path using '-s PATH' option.13:40
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arodriguezmaybe permissions?13:40
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trickiearodriguez: sorry, my fault not clear13:41
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trickiearodriguez: i think you need the sbox_ctl running13:41
trickiebut no current sessions13:41
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arodriguezhow can I see and/or stop running sessions?13:42
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trickiehmmm, its been a while, and i don't have SB here...13:42
trickielogin to scrtachbox and run 'sb-menu'13:43
trickiemaybe it is apparent there13:43
arodriguezHmm.... login also fails13:44
arodriguezInconsistency detected by rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!13:44
trickieok, yeah i saw that ijn your original paste13:44
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arodriguezI think I have to recompile my kernel :(13:46
trickietry that13:46
arodriguezit seems that i have to enable [*] Compat VDSO support13:47
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trickieah yes13:47
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arodriguezit works! :)13:48
arodriguezthank you13:48
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thuxIs it possible to have fi_FI.UTF-8 support to osso-xterm and how?14:06
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ccookethux: do you have it working everywhere else?14:15
womi was under the impression that it is wtf-814:17
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thuxirc shell irssi use it and osso cannot handle scandic letters like öä14:18
thuxall pc-linux can and even wince putty can14:20
wom-well, i have gnome-terminal, putty and such configured for wtf-8.. and my irssi is wtf-814:23
wom-i can see öäöäö in n810 osso-xterm14:23
wom-problem is that my shell is not utf-814:23
wom-and that causes some very wierd behaviour14:23
anders_wom-: Do you have LC_* set to whatever.UTF-8 serverside?14:24
wom-everything is utf-8 :)14:24
wom-that i can configure14:24
anders_wom-: I always have to set "export LC_ALL=sv_SE.UTF-8" manually when ssh:ing from n810.14:24
jottwom-: are you using screen? maybe -U helps :)14:24
thuxwom-: that could be the problem14:24
wom-jott: i am.. hmm :)14:24
wom-i have to try that :D14:25
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wom-ok, with U it really gets messed up :D14:25
jottworks here :P14:26
wom-i know.. works for many people :D14:26
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wom-wtf-8 is great :)14:26
jottthere is an iso8859-1 lurking in the corner :)14:27
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jottwom-: and irssi has term_charset set to UTF-8? :)14:30
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jottthux: ..14:30
jottsorry :)14:30
wom-jott: yes :)14:32
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|newbie|lol, i am newbie15:06
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kulvearen't we all15:10
|newbie|are you ponging me, lol15:10
|newbie|it is too early15:11
|newbie|i just got kde on this doodad...15:11
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morbecwhat I need to do to have a maemo really working and useful to development ?15:23
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pupnikmore initiative15:25
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Italodanceguys guys15:28
Italodancei installed now15:28
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Italodancebut it showes me sometimes the game is demo/unregistered and i must call to a number for do it15:29
snake_mountai1Anyone here familiar with sqlite3 on N770?15:30
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trickieItalodance: you need the original game data files15:33
trickieas the site where you got the install states15:35
Italodanceshareware data files ?15:40
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Italodancei need to create quake on my mmc sd or n800 internal 256 ?15:41
Italodancewhicj one?15:41
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trickieif you installed the version that runs from the internal flash, then install it on the internal flash15:42
trickieItalodance: never mind15:43
trickieif you installed the version that runs from internal flash you have ti already15:43
trickiebut i don't know15:43
trickiei don't use it15:43
Italodanceso i can add quake/id1 on one od them?15:43
Italodanceok wait15:43
trickieno, read up15:44
trickiei assume 'Ready2Run versions (just install and play) ' means exactly that15:44
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trickiethat it says you have an unregistered copy is because it must bundle the shareware data files15:45
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Italodancetrickie i made quake/id1 and added shareware data files into that on my sd card but it didn't work?15:47
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trickieItalodance: did you read what i have just been typing?15:47
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trickiewell the version you are running and playin already has the shareware data15:53
trickietheats why it says it is unregistered15:53
trickieto play the full version you need the original game data, and it looks like you need to use the install methods for running from a memory card15:54
trickieall the info is on that webpage15:55
trickieread it carefully15:55
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Italodanceyes i know but15:58
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Italodancei downloaded and added it to my mmc2/quake/id115:58
Italodancebut how it works? just that?15:58
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trickieno, grr, those files are the shareware datafiles16:01
Italodanceso what?16:02
trickieyou only need them if you are using the version of the software that looks for the datafiles on the mcc cards16:02
trickieand i assume you installed the ready to play ones?16:02
Italodanceoh yes16:02
ItalodanceReady2Run versions (just install and play) :16:02
trickieyes well that has the data files already16:02
Italodanceit is perfect16:02
trickiehence you are playing it16:02
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Italodancebut on 1 scene it wants register....maybe it is full16:03
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Italodancemaybe not16:04
Italodancetrickie tell me how can i do with  ??16:05
Italodancewhat is this file and where i should copy them?16:05
Italodancesorry i bought my n800 a few days ago...16:05
Italodance xterm is x terminal?16:07
trickieuse the .deb available from there16:07
trickieItalodance: i don't know, i don't use that software, but a quick google shows more info16:08
trickiedo you know how package management in maemo is handled?16:08
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ItalodancePreliminary quetoo (quake2 engine) port to the n800. The original quake2 data files are not included in the package.16:08
Italodanceit is beta16:08
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NaviI swiped the Q2 paks from my friend16:16
Naviit's hard to play when everything's so choppy :)16:16
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rm_youI swiped the Q2 paks from my friend (the internet)16:37
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rm_youthough I think its legal since i have the legit cd at my house? lol16:37
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X-FadeDoes anybody have any events or conferences that are interesting for the maemo community?16:44
X-FadeI'm adding events to the calendar, so if you have something interesting. Please let me know.16:45
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snake_mountai1Hello??? Anyone familair with sqlite on N770?16:47
jeddy3anyone familiar with hildon widgets? what is the "header" widget used in for example media player and program manager (the top bar with the "window backtrace") is it hildon specific?16:50
JaffaX-Fade: Bossa Conference? Diablo release date? ;-)16:51
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X-FadeJaffa: Yeah, bossa is going on right now. And I don't know anything about Diablo :D16:53
kulvesnake_mountai1: many. Try asking the real question you have..16:54
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kulvejeddy3: "window backtrace"? The title bar is matchbox specific, afaik.16:55
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* Navi wonders how alp's WebKit Mobile presentation went16:57
snake_mountai1Kulve:  I'm in red pill mode and have located the sqlite3 files but they will not install.  I can't even install directly from the downloads.16:57
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X-FadeNavi: Yeah, mee too. I hope they will announce webkit for microb ;)16:58
NaviFuck xulrunner16:59
jeddy3kulve, not title bar, in media player if you go to for example Music, Artists, Artist, Album... you get a top header with a clickable "backtrace" of the subcatecories saying "Music>Artist>Artist>Album"16:59
jkuX-Fade, that would be nice... would probably mean lot more apps built on top of it16:59
dougti have a q about sb2; i am running into a python error  (ImportError: No module named optpars).16:59
X-Fadewebkit-gtk is in extras btw, so if you want to test it :)16:59
dougti am basically doing: from optparse import OptionParser.  and that fails.16:59
Navijku, no it wouldn't :P  It'd be a bloated xulrunner/webkitgtk mess17:00
jkuX-Fade,  ooh... nice17:00
dougti am wondering if sb2 is messing up python's search path or something17:00
X-Fadejku: Including -dev.17:00
jeddy3where you can click back to any of the categories you are located "under"17:00
NaviX-Fade, does it have alp's maemo-specific patches patched to it?17:00
jeddy3kulve, think wiki link header17:01
X-FadeNavi: I don't know. I just saw that they were uploaded to extras.17:01
jkuNavi, what do you mean?17:01
Navijku, what do I mean about what?17:02
jkuhow would webkit be a mess?17:02
Navithe xulrunner part would be a mess.17:02
Navia separate browser altogether would be best.17:02
jkuwell, I can imagine/accept that :)17:03
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snake_mountai1Application Manager, Install from file, libsqlite "Unable to update libsqlite...yada", yet I can't locate the file on the nokia17:03
Navithe packages were uploaded recently17:04
snake_mountai1tried again to day.17:04
snake_mountai1say's it is updatable17:05
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X-FadeNavi:  it seems that it is rather current?17:06
Naviyeah, webkit's updated a lot17:07
Navibut I'm just wondering if the webkit repos were in preparation for bossa :)17:07
X-FadeNavi: Yeah, but that number indicates that it is source from about 10th of march..17:07
Naviyeah, I know17:07
Navithe package was uploaded the 11th, too17:07
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WorkingOnWiseanyone using the minefield? how well does it work, compared to the built in browser?17:09
WorkingOnWiseon the N80017:09
dougtwell, the UI is just a desktop port, so it don't really work.17:10
WorkingOnWisei cant tap in a url in the address bar....17:10
dougtNavi: how would xulrunner be a mess?17:11
WorkingOnWiseso I guess it's just a tease right now huh...17:11
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dougtWorkingOnWise: yeah.  the urlbar is pretty small.17:11
Navidougt, it's totally unneeded17:11
Naviand designed to integrate with gecko17:11
dougtwell, sort of.17:12
WorkingOnWiseI get the On screen keyboard, and can see the cursor blinking, but nothing changes when I type....17:12
dougtxulrunner is the thing under firefox, really.17:12
Navior uh, the other way17:12
blasseyNavi: sorry, you're wrong here17:12
WorkingOnWisebut I see that bookmarks work...17:12
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blasseyWorkingOnWise: everything "works"17:13
snake_mountai1I've read that sqlite is part of maemo mapper, but it is not installed.  I can't even uninstall mameo mapper now.17:13 does tabs!17:13
blasseyits litterally the full desktop browser17:13
blasseyextensions, plugins etc.17:14
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blasseybut the UI wasn't meant for the small screen17:14 it is *almost* ready to use...just cant type anything into the url bar17:14
blasseyWorkingOnWise: did you build it yourself?17:15
WorkingOnWisenope. installed from a repo i got at
dougtwho is gronmayer?17:16
blasseydidn't your mom ever tell you not to take candy from strangers?17:16
WorkingOnWiseit's new to me, this N800 . Whats the workt I can do, brick it?17:17
dougtso.  all bets are off WorkingOnWise.  blassey has a repo you should use instead.17:17
blasseyso there's an extension which pops up the software keyboard when a text box is clicked17:17
blasseyits in the mozilla builds17:17
WorkingOnWisewhere do I get that repo?17:17
WorkingOnWiseI like blood17:17
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WorkingOnWiseactually, with this build, I get the keyboard, can sellect the url with the styuls, but nothing happens when I hit a key on th keyboard...wierd.17:19
WorkingOnWiseblassey: the mozilla builds on the mozilla site?17:19
blasseyWorkingOnWise: here's an old version of minefield17:19
blasseybuilt in mid january (before all the performance improvements landed in the tree)17:20
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WorkingOnWiseso does that one perform like firefox 2? hehe17:21
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blasseyif you want to try something more recent, there's a xulrunner built yesterday17:21
blasseyI'm using it with bsmedberg's mybrowser UI17:22
blasseyno tabs or extensions, but super fast17:22
snowmoonIs there a way to increase the minimum dtmf time under SIP calling ( rtcomm beta )17:22
blasseyhere's a little write up17:22
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Navihehe, the webkit in the repos is pretty nice :o17:26
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X-FadeNavi: What did you test it with?17:27
Navia demo browser17:27
dougtNavi: does this run under the built in browser (replacing mozilla), or is it its own app?17:29
NaviHuh? It's the demo app that comes with the webkit sources17:29
X-Fadedougt: It is only the webkit library. No browser.17:30
dougtX-Fade: how do I install it?17:31
Navidougt, it's in extras17:31
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dougtNavi: but not available via the Application Manager yet?17:33
X-Fadedougt: It is a library.17:33
X-Fadedougt: Not to be used by users.17:34
dougtoh.  i thought it was the library that implements the browser abstraction layer.17:34
X-Fadedougt: Nope, that part is still missing :)17:34
dougtcome on alp!17:35
X-FadeSo you can make your own little browser by linking with it. But that is it..17:35
NaviI thought alp ditched the EAL when it went proprietary17:36
dougtno idea.  was kidding ^17:36
WorkingOnWiseanyone care to call me on my N800 so I can be sure my troubles are the fault of the site and not my N800?17:37
WorkingOnWiseusing google talk?17:37
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edistar_what was that alternative kernel+rootfs for nokia tablet called again? the one that's completely open?17:39
WorkingOnWiseum....was that a yes Navi?17:40
NaviI was talking about webkit >_>17:40
Naviran the css benchmark by nontroppo17:40
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Navi1533ms in the demo browser, 10789ms in microb17:40
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X-FadeNavi: And a javascript benchmark? :)17:44
dougtyeah, microb doesn't have any of he performance work that has been written up17:44
NaviX-Fade, find me one and I'll run it17:45
dougtif you grab a nightly xulrunner build and run on that, we are pretty quick.17:45
Navidougt, I'll look into it17:46
Navidougt, or you can run the bench :D17:46
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dougtplease look into it.  it would be cool to get your feedback.17:47
NaviAre you part of the microb team?17:47
zuhdougt: I wonder why there's no xulrunner builds for maemo ;)17:47
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NaviX-Fade, running it now17:48
X-FadeNavi: Will take a while. I'm still running it on my desktop ;)17:48
NaviX-Fade, you can do it from microb and save me the trouble :)17:48
X-FadeOk, I will do the microb one..17:48
sp3000dougt: I take it "optpars" was a typo ;)17:48
Naviwhich reminds me, I need to get around to building the latest svn on my deskto17:49
dougtsp3000: y.17:49
blasseyNavi: 1071ms for xulrunner + mybrowser17:49
WorkingOnWiseif i call someone from my n800 to their pc, and they dont hav a acm, and mine is on, will they see video from me?17:49
Naviblassey, sexy17:49
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Naviquick shit17:50
dougtsp3000: the code, on line 3, just does an import.17:50
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NaviWorkingOnWise, in gtalk?17:51
* sp3000 isn't familiar with sb2, alas17:51
NaviWorkingOnWise, desktop gtalk doesn't support video, does it?17:51
WorkingOnWiseum....I assumed it does...Linux NEVER gets features first!17:52
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NaviIt's been a long time since I've used the gtalk client17:52
WorkingOnWiselinux has video in gtalk before windows? and a tablet to boot??17:52
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dougtsp3000: know anyone that might know what is going on?17:53
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* Navi wgets17:53
WorkingOnWiseI didnt seee anyting for video on the pc, so u are likely right....I just figured it the N800 does it, Windows has done it for years!17:54
WorkingOnWiseso there's no way to do video calls to anyone but another N800/810 user.17:55
sp3000dougt: there's a scratchbox-users list, perhaps they're helpful17:55
dougtsame list for sb2?17:55
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sp3000np, hope it helps17:56
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X-FadeNavi: Ok, it seems that that javascript benchmark is hitting microb hard. I have to hit the 'Script is taking too long' popup a lot of times..17:58
NaviX-Fade, heh17:58
Navithat kind of messes things up17:58
X-FadeYeah, it does..17:58
KotCzarnyone can simply put 'timed out' in results ;)17:59
Veggenhmm. think my  laptop's going dead. I'll have to get used to the n810 for daily use, then...17:59
X-FadeKotCzarny: 'dog slow'17:59
zuhblassey: Sounds... unintegrated :)17:59
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zuhblassey: How recent is that?18:01
frethopAnyone have experience with desktop applets in python?18:01
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zuhblassey: So it's some trunk/whateveritscalledformozilla build?18:02
X-FadeNavi: Ah, about:config seems to help out here.. I've now set the timeout to 10 minutes ;)18:04
Navizuh, lol18:05
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Veggenhmm. there's a few difficult key combinations on the n810. ctrl-p being one of them.18:06
X-FadeVeggen: Doesn't ctrl stick when pressing twice?18:06
X-FadeVeggen: Can't test it now, I'm running a benchmark ;)18:07
Veggennope. ctrl doesn't stick.18:07
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Veggenhmm. wonder if I can make it.18:07
NaviX-Fade, Total: 20600.4ms18:07
NaviX-Fade, Total: 206000.4ms18:08
Naviwas missing a zero18:08
X-FadeNavi: My desktop: Total:                 38950.6ms +/- 1.7%18:08
blasseyis that sunspider?18:08
Naviblassey, yes18:08
Veggenwould be perfect if it worked like shift and Fn that sticks if pressed separately.18:08
X-Fadeblassey: yep..18:08
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X-FadeNavi: Save your url somewhere, so we can use the compare option :)18:10
X-FadeNavi: If/when microb finishes..18:10
blasseyTotal:                 108833.2ms +/-18:10
blasseywhat's your url, we can do a side by side18:10
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Naviblassey, nice, half the speed18:10
Navihalf the time ^^18:11
Navihuge url18:11
Navilet me tinyurl it18:11
blasseycan you use a tiny url in web kit's comparator?18:11
blasseymy url is there18:12
X-Fadeblassey: I don't think so. You need to expand it yourself..18:12
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Navithose are my results18:12
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X-FadeStill running mine ;)18:14
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Navithe only thing that the webkitgtk build outdid the nightly xulrunner in was regexp18:15
Navijavascript performance ftl18:17
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X-FadeNavi: Well, it is obvious that both of those options are a lot better than what we have now ;)18:20
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X-FadeAnd yes, it is still running ;)18:20
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blasseyX-Fade: you're doing better than the iphone18:21
blasseyit reboots when running sunspider18:21
X-Fadeblassey: Hehe, well it doesn't reboot. But it doesn't like it..18:22
NaviX-Fade, you're not going to finish any time soon ^_^18:22
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X-FadeNavi: I think it has done 3 or 4 iterations..18:23
X-FadeOf the 5 it is supposed to do..18:23
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NaviI really need to reboot to windows to get some stuff done :(18:24
X-FadeSo i guess it will be something like total: 1 hour18:24
* Navi doesn't want to ;_;18:24
Navimy poor uptime :/18:24
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X-FadeNavi: vm?18:25
X-FadeAh, it is running 3d cube again..18:25
NaviI don't have the resources to do that18:25
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KotCzarnynavi: swsusp2 saves uptime18:25
KotCzarnyi mean tux-on-ice18:25
Navi3D cube's like the first test >_>18:26
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X-FadeNavi: yeah, it runs the whole test series 5 times..18:26
Navioh, right18:26
* Navi didn't know18:26
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Faheem_Pervez_qw@KotCzarny, intresting. it seems better than the current hibernation I have in Ubuntu :(18:27
KotCzarnyi have never tried swsusp18:28
KotCzarnybut recent swsusp2 version has some issues18:28
Faheem_Pervez_qwAh, ok. Maybe not yet... :)18:28
KotCzarnyat least on my laptop..18:28
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Faheem_Pervez_qwOk thanks, I would hate to lose my work on scratchbox :( if it messed up.18:29
LoCusFGeneralAntilles: thanks18:29
KotCzarnybut on my desktop machine it works perfectly18:29
KotCzarnyand it's the machine with scratchbox running :)18:29
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NaviThat was a rather belated thanks :D18:30
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snake_mountai1Is there a "better" time of day to seek help on particular applications?18:33
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X-Fadesnake_mountai1: I think now is about the best time.18:33
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Faheem_Pervez_qwWhen nothing is being said :D18:34
snake_mountai1Thanks.  sqlite3, pretty please!18:34
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snake_mountai1I'm about ready to wipe my N770 clean and start over.18:35
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KotCzarny(and silence pop out of the sky)18:36
X-Fadesnake_mountai1: An actual question and a bit of background would be a lot better.18:36
snake_mountai1...(3 hours later),...let me begin again,...18:37
snake_mountai1I'm just trying to install sqlite18:37
snake_mountai1I've tried red pill mode.  I've tried installing directly from the download.  Failure.  :'(18:38
snake_mountai1I've been trying for a month, off and on.18:38
Veggenwhat does the log say?18:38
Faheem_Pervez_qwI had the same problem with vagalume. apt-get worked18:39
X-Fadesnake_mountai1: Error messages would help a lot more..18:39
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snake_mountai1"not upgradable" is the error message.18:39
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Faheem_Pervez_qwbtw: which OS?18:39
snake_mountai1I also cannot not uninstall maemo-mapper.18:40
snake_mountai1I see nothing in /var/log18:41
Veggensnake: there is a log that tells more details. you'll find it somewhere in the menu.18:41
Faheem_Pervez_qwTools, log afaik in application manager18:41
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Faheem_Pervez_qwdo you have root access too? Maybe apt-get would work.18:42
snake_mountai1tools log is empty18:42
snake_mountai1yes gainroot18:42
Faheem_Pervez_qwwhat does apt-get install sqlite3 say?18:42
X-Fadesnake_mountai1: What OS are you running?18:43
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X-FadeHmm i don't think it was installed there by default?18:43
snake_mountai1E: unable to lock the adminstration directory /var/lib/dpkg is another process using it?18:45
KotCzarnyclose app manager18:45
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mgedminor use sudo18:46
Faheem_Pervez_qwnot if you are already root18:47
snake_mountai1"unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix --missing?18:48
X-FadeNavi: It is still running. It started the 3d morph again..18:48
snake_mountai1hey I much farther than I was18:48
KotCzarnytry apt-get update18:48
Faheem_Pervez_qwmgedmin: Do you run the irc log? :)18:49
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mgedminFaheem_Pervez_qw: yes18:49
Faheem_Pervez_qwAh right, thanks :D18:49
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NaviX-Fade, lol18:50
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snake_mountai1Tried it, still failing18:50
qwerty12Maybe more detail would help?18:51
blasseyNavi: what demo app are you using?18:51
blasseyis it available in the repo?18:51
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snake_mountai1"unable to update libsqlite3-0"18:52
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qwerty12apt-get update just downloads lists of repo's. It shouldn't be mentioning a package.18:53
WorkingOnWisehas anyone installed Gizmo 3.1 on an N800?18:53
Naviblassey, no18:53
Naviblassey, I'm using the one that comes with the webkit source18:53
snake_mountai1Oh!  I went back and tried application manager after ap-get-install qlite3 ...failed again18:53
blasseyNavi: btw, are you using an n800 or n810?18:54
Veggenhmm. revive my old via-based computer or get really used to my n810?18:54
Navidoes it matter?18:54
blasseywhat did you do for the softkeyboard?18:55
Mouseyos2008 overclocks n800's18:55
* Mousey won't stand for a soft keyboard18:55
Naviblassey, what do you mean?18:55
KotCzarnynot overclocks18:56
Mouseyununderclocks, fine18:56
Navithe webkit in the repos is built with --enable-hildon18:56
KotCzarnytoo long18:56
Navior whatever the configure option is18:56
KotCzarnyuncripples can fit too18:56
KotCzarnyok, bbl18:56
Navithe keyboard comes up on taps to text boxes and input fields as usual18:56
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Mouseyand microb w/flash!18:57
blasseyNavi: cool18:57
Naviah, --with-hildon18:57
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blasseyI had to add that in the the mozilla repo in the fall18:57
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* Navi shrugs18:58
NaviI got it when I checked out webkit from the git18:59
Mouseyanyone know how to get handwriting working in everything?18:59
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snake_mountai1has anyone ever reflashed their n770 with the hacked version (2007)?19:00
qwerty12Does anybody know what CONFIG_MUSB_PIO_ONLY does?19:00
WorkingOnWisedoes file linking on the N800 work the same as in a desktop linux machine? I need an older lib than the N800 has, and I think I can get away with just linking the newer file to the older file.19:00
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NaviWorkingOnWise, linking?19:00
WorkingOnWiseum..not the right term...19:00
dougtanyone using sb2?19:01
Mouseya soundblaster?? that'd be a feat19:01
NaviI was planning on giving it a try19:01
Navibut I've been lazy19:01
qwerty12I tried but I get Invalid target specified, aborting.19:01
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qwerty12In sb219:01
WorkingOnWiseum...the app needs file.old - I want to make a ...symlink? from to file.old19:01
Navisame as any other19:02
Naviln -s file.old file.new19:02
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WorkingOnWisecool... whats the easiest way to "share" the N800's file system with my laptop, so I can use my laptop to work on the N800. me the cli and a stylus aint a fun ride! lol19:03
WorkingOnWisecool. thanks.19:04
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X-FadeNavi: 630685.4ms ;)19:08
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dougti am trying to get python2.5 working in sb2 and not having much fun.19:18
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dougtis anyone using gcc 4.2.1 in sb?19:24
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Mouseywhats sb?19:24
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dougti was setting up scratchbox 2 so that I could use gcc 4.2.1, but it might be as easy to get gcc 4.2.1 working in sbox119:26
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morbeci did the follow steps to install maemo on Ubuntu 7.10: I installed scratchbox, then I installed maemo-sdk (using the scritps downloaded by After I ran fakeroot apt-get update ; apt-get install maemo-explicit. So when I run start and I open the Contacts application there is a little box with the contents: loading contacts that never close ....19:40
morbecis this a bug?19:40
onionis it a bug or do I need to do something special to get images on gtkbuttons to show up? plain gtk works just fine.19:41
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qwerty12hi, sorry to be abrupt but does anyone have "acmonitor-0.1.tar.gz"?20:20
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WorkingOnWiseis there a command history for the terminal, and how do i use it?20:41
GeneralAntillesUp arrow?20:42
lcuk_2it has a mind of its own - it remembers pervious attempts (badly) and doesnt remember the previous command always20:42
GeneralAntillesbash is also an option20:42
lcuk_2previous even20:42
WorkingOnWiselol...hadn't considered the directional pad as an arrow key cluster...20:42
GeneralAntillesDamn sieves!20:43
GeneralAntillesThe back key is also escape.20:43
WorkingOnWisethe directional pad worke just like the arrow keys at least in xterm. slick...20:45
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GeneralAntillesThere's a libwebkitgtk-1.0 in Extras20:53
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AStormcanola2 dies on me with missing ecore21:27
AStormwhat do i have tgo install?21:27
keesjAStorm: what os version are you using?21:27
keesjif you are using a itos 2007 you first need to install a different package21:28
AStormand it's chinook21:29
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keesjyou followed
AStormI think so, I'll check21:30
keesjI have no device at hand atm so I can't test ,21:30
jeddy3so this xulrunner update for maemo, what does it mean? faster browser, or is there still something missing?21:34
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Italodanceok i make it21:40
Italodancehope help soon :(21:40
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unique311mypaint hildon21:50
Italodancehi unique311 :D21:53
Tama^2Italodance: did you fix your OTG problems in the end?21:54
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smackpotatotalk to me about gtk settings21:58
smackpotatowhen a change is made to say cursor-theme-name dos it happen right all programs know about the change22:02
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smackpotatoim next to u on that22:03
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ItalodanceTama^2 what?22:20
ItalodanceOTG problems?22:20
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zahnI have an n810 running os2008 version 2.2007.50-2 ... In both this version, and the version that shipped with the n810, I have never been able to connect to a WLAN using WEP.  I know I'm probably missing something stupid.  Google has been no help23:10
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zahnclarification: by 'unable to connect' I mean I get 'invalid WEP key length'23:11
zahnunless the key is precisely 5 characters23:12
||cwtry the hex version of the key23:13
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zahn||cw: how does that solve the 5 character limit?23:24
zahndoes os2008 only accept 64bit wep keys?23:24
Tester_zahn: also accepts 40bits23:25
||cw5 char is ascii, 10 char is hex, make sure you select the right option23:25
zahnwhere do i select that?23:26
||cwwhere you put the wep key23:26
zahnthere's no option for acsii vs. hex23:26
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sp3000hmm, ssh on device is spewing at me about unsupported options in ssh_config23:29
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sp3000anyone else seen those?23:30
sp3000(steps: open xterm, ssh foo@bar.invalid)23:31
KotCzarnyon default config?23:31
KotCzarnylet me try23:32
sp30001:4.7p1-2.maemo1 since I flashed over the weekend chasing something23:32
KotCzarnyno warnings23:32
KotCzarnyeverything went smooth23:33
KotCzarnyOpenSSH_4.6p1 Debian-5.maemo3, OpenSSL 0.9.7e 25 Oct 200423:33
KotCzarnymaybe you have installed some experimental version23:33
sp3000yeah, 4.7 is this month according to the garage page23:33
sp3000nah, you just haven't updated ;)23:33
KotCzarnygarage is experimental23:33
KotCzarnyi think23:34
f_mohri have the same with the current version23:34
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GeneralAntillesGarage is not experimental. :\23:34
KotCzarnygarage is even worse than experimental23:34
* sp3000 sobs23:34
sp3000I'll have to touch garage's tracker, won't I :(23:35
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KotCzarnysp3000: but what's the problem?23:35
KotCzarnyjust correct ssh_config23:35
GeneralAntillesSaying Garage is experimental is like saying Sourceforge is experimental23:35
GeneralAntillesIt's both stupid and meaningless.23:36
sp3000that's an O(n) solution in number of users23:36
* sp3000 wonders how conffile updates are handled23:36
KotCzarnyIMPORTANT: Most projects hosted here are run by maemo community teams. Official Nokia projects are clearly identified as such.23:37
KotCzarnyfrom garage.maemo.org23:37
sp3000infobot: what's my garage login?23:37
f_mohrstrange thing is, both lines are commented out in sshd_config23:37
lcuk_2remember: it is not the projects, but us who are experimental.23:37
KotCzarnyssh_ not sshd_ ?23:37
* sp3000 wonders why fx didn't fill it in23:38
KotCzarnydid you wait for the page to finish loading?23:38
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sp3000pretty sure it was finished yeah23:39
KotCzarnythan it's probably because you have multiple values entered?23:39
KotCzarnydouble click on login field23:39
f_mohrargh .. edited sshd_config one a differnt system a few times this evening ... its too late to read error messages ;-)23:39
KotCzarnygood prompt is the key23:40
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sp3000and wth is up with not auto-monitoring tracker entries you submit23:41
sp3000sorry, artifacts23:41
* sp3000 rolls eyes23:42
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f_mohris there a good hardcase for the n810?23:49
lcuk_2yes, your car23:50
lcuk_2they even supply a little holder ;)23:50
sp3000darius <323:50
KotCzarnyand power source?23:50
GeneralAntillesA case logic portable hard drive case is perfect for N800 + iGo23:50
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lcuk_2oh crap KotCzarny, you are right! a power source is needed to give the gps time to connect23:51
lcuk_2mohr - how far do you want to carry it - is it for home or for pocketing or for car ?23:51
f_mohri've given up the internal gps and bought a bluetooth gps23:52
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lcuk_2thats such a sad thing23:52
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lcuk_2i am gonna mail nokia tomorrow about it23:52
KotCzarnywhat can they do?23:52
KotCzarnyit's not user replaceable23:52
KotCzarnynot even factory replaceable23:53
AStormmy problem with canola is that i have 2 pythons23:53
lcuk_2same as apple can do - fix it.23:53
f_mohrlcuk_2 to carry it with me .. best would be belt attachable23:53
AStormand default is 2.423:53
lcuk_2ive ended up using the semi solid fujitsu pocket Loox case i have23:53
lcuk_2its quick release and velco lidded and just about right23:54
AStormwill changing that to 2.5 break something importtant?23:54
KotCzarnybut maybe not23:55
lcuk_2well canola generally gets on well with snakes in the house. i once knew a guy with a nokia and a turtle.23:55
sp3000keesj: :P23:55
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KotCzarnyi think i have python2.523:55
KotCzarnyand canola was running fine with it23:55
lcuk_2i thought that was the default23:55
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AStormmhm, site pkgs are empty23:55
lcuk_2any other version should be self contained shouldnt it?23:56
AStorm2.r just shouldc be removeed then23:56
KotCzarnydpkg should warn you if anything depends on the package you want to remove23:56
AStormKotCzarny, the problem is i have botgh 2.4 and 2.5 for some reason23:56
AStormand the symlink leads to 2.423:57
AStormhave to fix that23:57
GeneralAntillesRemove 2.423:57
GeneralAntillesIt's old23:57
KotCzarnyinstall 2.5 over it?23:57
GeneralAntillesNothing should depend on it anymore23:57
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AStormnothing does23:59
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KotCzarnysafari for windows23:59
AStormbut first, fix tghe symlink23:59
KotCzarnymess, here it comes23:59

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