| wazd | Hmm... Use n800 as loudtalk is very good idea I suppose :) | 00:00 |
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| KotCzarny | loudtalk? | 00:00 |
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| BabelO | wazd: yes ;) | 00:00 |
| wazd | But i think it's the same profile as handsfree, so you need it :) | 00:00 |
| BabelO | wazd: some time ago i foiund small tools to emulate a computer as a a2dp headset, but can't find it again | 00:01 |
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| wazd | Maybe it's possible to port profile like it done with A2DP | 00:02 |
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| wazd | Aaaah, Wacom is so sweet but need so much time to adopt :) | 00:03 |
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| pupnik | now that the distortion is gone, the n810 speakers are pretty incredible | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | distortion? | 00:24 |
| pupnik | unit initially had bad distortion | 00:24 |
| wazd | does n800 suffer?) | 00:25 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: hardware or software? | 00:25 |
| pupnik | i originally thought it was a problem with software mixer but now i think it was that the speakers needed to be 'broken-in' | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 00:26 |
| pupnik | after a couple hours of high volume they're crystal clear | 00:27 |
| wazd | Small poll: Does anybody ever used his/her own homepage on tablets?) | 00:27 |
| pupnik | 1 | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | wazd: i have my own index.html | 00:27 |
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| wazd | thanks :) | 00:27 |
| wazd | Then we're leaving homepage button :) | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i have never noticed distortion | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | do you have any recording, etc? | 00:28 |
| pupnik | yes i did some recordings but i don't have a good mic, so it was just the camera | 00:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:29 |
| wazd | And what do you think about the idea of new Web Menu ( http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/tablet-heart-web-browser-part-i/ )? is it worth to develop? | 00:32 |
| doc|home | that looks exactly the same | 00:34 |
| doc|home | oh, wait, no, took a while to load completely | 00:34 |
| doc|home | can the renderer be made faster? :/ | 00:34 |
| * pupnik watches joe vs the volcano on new mplayer .26 | 00:34 | |
| KotCzarny | doc: yes, use links | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | .26 is out? | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | anything important fixed? | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:35 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16986&page=5 | 00:35 |
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| wazd | Lipsync fixed?) | 00:35 |
| pupnik | i think so | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | only in sdl? :) | 00:35 |
| pupnik | tiny differences between sdl and esd | 00:36 |
| pupnik | sdl is default | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | "I strongly suspect that we can't rely on audio delay reported by esd at all." | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | ehhehe | 00:36 |
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| wazd | I think that lipsync bug appears only in odd numbered versions :) | 00:38 |
| pupnik | btw 2-pass encoding is he way to go | 00:39 |
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| pupnik | playing with mplayer KotCzarny ? | 00:52 |
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| KotCzarny | define 'playing' | 00:52 |
| pupnik | well testing | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | not yet | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | but on my laptop mplayer is playing some mp3s | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:53 |
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| pupnik | getting a bit of tearing on some 400x240 ones | 00:55 |
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| pupnik | do you remember the 'low quality' playback command line option? | 01:13 |
| KotCzarny | nope, but i can check | 01:14 |
| pupnik | i'm searching but no finding yet | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | -lavdopts lowres=1:fast:skiploopfilter=all | 01:15 |
| pupnik | ty added to script | 01:15 |
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| pupnik | heh wow, that is low quality :) | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | but on anything lower than 600x400 it looks ugly | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | it's only for hi-res vids :) | 01:16 |
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| MipsIrv | has anyone yet run into and overcome mbuiter_multi errors yet? | 01:28 |
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| pupnik | KotCzarny: there seems to be a speedup without the lores also -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=all:ec=0 | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 01:31 |
| pupnik | a lot of untranscripted stuff at 512x384 is watchable, but dropping whenever there's a lot of motions | 01:31 |
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| KotCzarny | but lores minimizes fb transfer | 01:31 |
| KotCzarny | and keep in mind that it was for my hires vids | 01:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:32 |
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| pygi | hello folks | 01:45 |
| pygi | anybody who knows if one can change the web shop where discount code for n810 is valid? | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | n810 had price cut recently | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | ~100$ | 01:47 |
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| MipsIrv | minus $100 or only $100? ;) | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | minus 100$ | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:50 |
| pygi | KotCzarny, well, I have a code for 99Euro :) | 01:50 |
| pygi | but it applies only in AU shop :( | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | but still, get n800 | 01:50 |
| KotCzarny | it's superior to n810 | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | and for the price difference you can have REAL gps and nice bt kb | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:51 |
| pygi | o com'on, I'm just looking how to switch validity of code, not buying n800 :) | 01:51 |
| shackan | KotCzarny: you can have a n800 and a gps and a keyboard for 99eu ? | 01:51 |
| shackan | shut up already :) | 01:51 |
| KotCzarny | pygi: is that code for n810 for a 99EUR or price-99EUR ? | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:52 |
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| shackan | pygi: as far as I know, you can't | 01:52 |
| pygi | KotCzarny, n810 for 99EUR | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | ok. /me shuts up | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:52 |
| pygi | shackan, ah, oki ... gotta find an AU contact then ... | 01:52 |
| f_mohr | nice .. i paid 400 | 01:52 |
| KotCzarny | (for a moment :) | 01:52 |
| MipsIrv | i'll take an 810 for 99EUR? who do i send the money to? | 01:53 |
| shackan | pygi: aren't you in croatia or something like that? | 01:53 |
| pygi | shackan, yes, so? :) | 01:53 |
| jku | MipsIrv, it's the developer program... | 01:53 |
| shackan | pygi: then why did you get and australian code? :D | 01:53 |
| MipsIrv | hmm really? | 01:53 |
| pygi | shackan, which one would I get? heh ... | 01:53 |
| pygi | shackan, no croatian code xD | 01:54 |
| shackan | now this is confusing | 01:54 |
| shackan | pygi: but it applies only in AU shop | 01:54 |
| jku | MipsIrv, there'll be a new program when next device comes out no doubt | 01:54 |
| pygi | shackan, ah, not australian, austrian :p | 01:54 |
| pygi | shackan, yea, I know, I had a contact who could get it for me there :) | 01:54 |
| pygi | shackan, AT* | 01:54 |
| pygi | ignore me, I'm silly, it's night :) | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:54 |
| shackan | well, austria is about three hours by car, isn't it? | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | jku: what is this dev-program about? | 01:55 |
| shackan | at least from slovenia | 01:55 |
| pygi | shackan, what's the point when ship address has to be somewhere in AT? | 01:56 |
| shackan | no relatives there? | 01:56 |
| doc|home | hmm, anyone know why the mic might not be working? | 01:56 |
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| shackan | or friends.. | 01:56 |
| MipsIrv | ahhhhh.. if only i had time to contribute substantively and a desire to work within the current framework | 01:56 |
| doc|home | hmmm, or the speakers :/ | 01:56 |
| doc|home | for sip | 01:56 |
| jku | KotCzarny: "we want to offer the new Nokia N810 Internet Tablet to the most active contributors of the maemo community, as soon as possible and as affordably as possible. The N810 maemo device program starts *now* with 500 discount codes entitling their fortunate owners to get a device for 99€" | 01:56 |
| MipsIrv | i'd honestly like to see xfce on the device ;) | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | jku: so it's some kind of lottery? | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:57 |
| pygi | shackan, nop, only in germany :( | 01:57 |
| jku | KotCzarny, that was maemo.org news 2007-10-18 | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | mips: there was a port i believe :) | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | jku: i got mine ~2 weeks ago :) | 01:57 |
| MipsIrv | kotczarny: yeah.. but that's doesn't exactly support the maemo project | 01:57 |
| MipsIrv | i look at the trend in embedded devices.. and i think.. i'd like to see some of this stuff come to the desktop | 01:58 |
| shackan | like what? | 01:58 |
| MipsIrv | for the most part it is there.. just not packaged as well as it is for embedded devices | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | you can put your nokia on the desktop.. | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:58 |
| MipsIrv | for example.. i have my n800 right now to pop rss feeds for stocks and deals.. i'd like to see that in a task-bar for both my n800 and my desktop | 01:59 |
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| MipsIrv | seems to be a big stink about pim functionality.. i'd also like to see that integrated in both | 01:59 |
| shackan | you mean, synch your feeds between both? | 01:59 |
| shackan | conduit will take care of that soon, I hope | 01:59 |
| MipsIrv | native upnp support? here i am running fuppes.. libupnp.. djmount etc etc to do the job | 02:00 |
| MipsIrv | there seems to be more drive to provide more integration in handheld platforms | 02:00 |
| MipsIrv | unfortunately.. it is usually some offshoot project somewhere or a branch | 02:00 |
| jku | MipsIrv, I'm not seeing that | 02:01 |
| jku | Pim is a good example.. not much integration | 02:01 |
| MipsIrv | minimo. .firebug.. mozilla.. firefox | 02:01 |
| MipsIrv | thunderbird | 02:01 |
| MipsIrv | i want an efficient, feature-rich browser for both my handheld device and my desktop | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | firefox3 looks promising | 02:02 |
| pupnik | maemo is never really going to make the 'sync me with the microsoft world' happy, imo | 02:02 |
| MipsIrv | i don't sync with microsoft | 02:03 |
| MipsIrv | i'd like to use evolution.. but i have commitment issues ;) | 02:03 |
| MipsIrv | anyone have a link handy on the flash map of the nokia platforms? | 02:05 |
| MipsIrv | and.. i'm assuming that the nokia flasher tool is already aware of that flash map? | 02:05 |
| shackan | what is a flash map? | 02:06 |
| MipsIrv | at what address various images start and how much space they have | 02:07 |
| MipsIrv | e.g. kernel starts at 0x1000000 and it's size is 0x2000000 | 02:08 |
| MipsIrv | map may not be the right term | 02:08 |
| MipsIrv | alright.. cheapest i've found an 810 is $319US | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | get n800 | 02:08 |
| KotCzarny | really | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:09 |
| MipsIrv | i have one | 02:09 |
| MipsIrv | why get the 800 over the 810 though? besides the keyboard not being worth $150? heh | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | for 100$ you can have fast and accurate gps | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | and for another 30-80 bt keyboard | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | but n810 has a 'chic factor' | 02:10 |
| MipsIrv | not quite sure what that means.. | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | and it can be more important for some people | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:10 |
| doc|home | can the n800's sip facilities work with ekiga.net accounts? | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | 'look, shiny!' | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:10 |
| jku | KotCzarny, I thought like that until I got my n810... Now you'll have to pry it from my cold hands (and gf has the n800) | 02:11 |
| jku | the keyboard is essential to me now | 02:11 |
| MipsIrv | yeah.. the keyboard and built in gps would be nice | 02:12 |
| MipsIrv | i hate carry extra stuff with me and i'd hate to have another keyboard.. external gps unit etc etc | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | jku: probably, but still, price difference is a killer | 02:12 |
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| KotCzarny | i treat it more like a toy | 02:12 |
| MipsIrv | yeah.. it's the price that prevents me from owning one | 02:12 |
| KotCzarny | and breaking 400$ toy can make me unhappy | 02:13 |
| jku | extarnal gps is fine IMHO, just keep it in a pocket, but an external keyboard doesn't work on the move | 02:13 |
| MipsIrv | well.. external gps does have its advantages.. especially when driving | 02:13 |
| KotCzarny | mips: external gps mean you can get it and reuse it later | 02:13 |
| MipsIrv | alright.. this multi-byte string thing is really annoying me | 02:14 |
| MipsIrv | i forgot how annoying cross-compiling was | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | and you can choose higher quality one too | 02:14 |
| MipsIrv | perhaps i will break down and just load the sandbox and sdk.. | 02:14 |
| KotCzarny | jku: maybe a kb with a holder for a n800? :) | 02:14 |
| pupnik | If I had the money i'd take the N810 though. Just aa great design | 02:15 |
| MipsIrv | has anyone heard anything about the next device yet? | 02:15 |
| KotCzarny | mips: nope | 02:15 |
| pupnik | Nothing leaked | 02:15 |
| jku | pupnik, they did an amazing job stuffing everything in it | 02:15 |
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| pupnik | well except for the next N810 (N830?) | 02:15 |
| pupnik | there are some pics of one with a black keyboard | 02:16 |
| MipsIrv | curious why they did not abandon flash in the 800 for the root fs and just stick to SD | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: shopped i believe | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | and it's a 1 photo | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:16 |
| lcuk | jpeg glitch for a new face to same 810 | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | not a glitch. shop. | 02:16 |
| pupnik | how would you know? | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | they did it for purpose | 02:16 |
| jku | KotCzarny, your smileys juts have no meaning anymore... you probably knew that though | 02:16 |
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| KotCzarny | jku: huh? :) | 02:17 |
| MipsIrv | alright.. i need a break before i rm everything out of frustration | 02:17 |
| jku | I suspect you have a smiley inserting script... | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | jku: nope. more like a permanent high | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:17 |
| pupnik | MipsIrv: what are you doing? | 02:18 |
| doc|home | anyone? | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | doc: i don't know, bbl | 02:23 |
| pupnik | ? | 02:26 |
| pupnik | man 'The IT Crowd' had so much potential :"/ | 02:26 |
| pupnik | a commodore PET as a prop. | 02:26 |
| shackan | what is it? | 02:26 |
| shackan | yet another geek podcast? | 02:26 |
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| pupnik | shackan: no it was a short run tv sitcom from england | 02:43 |
| milhouse | Probably the same Commodore PET now showing in Ashes To Ashes... | 02:44 |
| milhouse | I used to programme one when I were a nipper... at school... my first experience of a "proper" computer after a Research Machines 380Z! :) | 02:45 |
| pupnik | wow strange plot | 02:46 |
| pupnik | same here, 1980 | 02:46 |
| wazd | Damned :) Whole world wakes up :) When Moscow has 4 am x( | 02:59 |
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| KotCzarny | not really | 02:59 |
| wazd | Not really wakes or not really 4am?)) | 03:00 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 03:00 |
| KotCzarny | </confusion> | 03:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:00 |
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| wazd | Well, gotta go get some sleep :) | 03:01 |
| wazd | C ya all :) | 03:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:01 |
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| MipsIrv | looks like wazd had nothing to worry about | 04:25 |
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| doc|home | so, anyone got a way to do h.323 on OS 2008? | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 04:39 |
| pupnik | i did a bmw.323 in 1991 | 04:48 |
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| dospod | hey | 05:02 |
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| dospod | supp | 05:10 |
| dospod | anyone want a gtk gnutella port | 05:10 |
| pupnik | probably | 05:14 |
| dospod | im getting a tip for my laptop chord tommorow, so i should get a vm set up and maybe a deb on friday | 05:15 |
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| msh_ | hm. bugs.maemo giving mysql access denied errors - a known issue? | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | but you can mail administrators anyway | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | maybe then they will notice | 05:35 |
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| christefano | has anyone seen their Airport Extreme die on a regular basis when an N8x0 goes online? | 06:13 |
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| Italodance | hi | 06:19 |
| tank-man | christefano, not many here have a airport most likely | 06:21 |
| christefano | it seems that way. I've asked a few times over the last week or so. | 06:22 |
| christefano | you're the first to respond :) thanks | 06:22 |
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| tank-man | this is the second time i've seen you ask :) | 06:22 |
| christefano | my base station has been solid until the day I got my N810 | 06:22 |
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| tank-man | i havent seen anyone else complain about their wifi routers with the n8x0 | 06:23 |
| christefano | hrmm. maybe it's just a coincidence | 06:24 |
| milhouse | i seem to recall there being a few airport extreme related bugs in bugzilla... usually turns out to be buggy AE firmware | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:24 |
| christefano | it's running the latest firmware, but in any case it's annoying. | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | latest can be buggy too | 06:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:24 |
| christefano | yup | 06:24 |
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| doc|home | so, anyone got a way to do h.323 on OS 2008? | 07:06 |
| rm_you | is that video or audio? >_> | 07:06 |
| KotCzarny | audio | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | sip probably | 07:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:07 |
| rm_you | does mplayer play it? | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | erm. i'm wrong | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | but just a little | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:08 |
| rm_you | lol? | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.packetizer.com/ipmc/h323_vs_sip/ | 07:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:09 |
| pupnik | wow i changed some code and it compiles | 07:10 |
| pupnik | still kind of shocking | 07:10 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: lol | 07:10 |
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| tank-man | oh yea! i used g++ once instead of gcc and it compiled | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | doc|home: http://www.h323plus.org/source/ maybe this one can help you | 07:14 |
| doc|home | KotCzarny: doesn't look like there's anything there for maemo :/ | 07:17 |
| doc|home | I'd happily use sip, but ekiga.net doesn't :/ | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | doc: not true, many open source projects | 07:17 |
| doc|home | KotCzarny: right, but clients for maemo? | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | grab the sdk and start compiling | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | if pupnik can do it, so can you! | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:17 |
| doc|home | pupnik: get to it! | 07:17 |
| pupnik | that's true | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | doc: basically, if it's open source and is running under linux then with 90% it will compile and run on maemo | 07:19 |
| doc|home | yeah, but it's not a client | 07:19 |
| pupnik | er, maybe 60% | 07:19 |
| pupnik | or 80% | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | doc, then add 'client' to the google search. eh. | 07:20 |
| Navi | doc|home, ekiga.net doesn't what? | 07:20 |
| doc|home | doesn't work with the native sip client | 07:21 |
| rm_you | ... | 07:21 |
| rm_you | yes it does? | 07:21 |
| rm_you | I used it | 07:21 |
| Navi | I thought the rtcomm beta supported ekiga | 07:21 |
| doc|home | with ekiga.net? | 07:21 |
| rm_you | yes | 07:21 |
| Navi | I'm looking at it right now | 07:21 |
| Navi | it's in the drop down list | 07:21 |
| rm_you | i made video calls using it >_> | 07:22 |
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| doc|home | Navi: it's there, but it doesn't fully work. | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | with n8x0 camera? | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 07:22 |
| doc|home | I can dial someone but no sound goes either way | 07:22 |
| rm_you | yes | 07:22 |
| rm_you | it works fine here | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | what about quality? | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 07:22 |
| doc|home | haha | 07:22 |
| rm_you | seems ok | 07:22 |
| doc|home | sorry, wrong chan | 07:22 |
| doc|home | hmmm | 07:22 |
| rm_you | we were doing n800 to n800 :P | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | funky! | 07:22 |
| doc|home | I'm doing desktop ekiga to rtcomm n800 | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 07:22 |
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| rm_you | i could try calling you on ekiga from my n800 :P | 07:23 |
| doc|home | sure, give me a minute :) | 07:23 |
| pupnik | ad-hoc filesharing btwn tablets would be fun | 07:24 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: thttpd ? | 07:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:25 |
| rm_you | lol? | 07:26 |
| rm_you | doc|home: just give me a number when you're ready | 07:26 |
| doc|home | hmmm, so, I just tested it again and it's working better for some reason, I can hear my desktop mic on the n800 but not the n800 mic on the desktop :/ | 07:26 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 07:26 |
| Navi | :/ | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | magic | 07:27 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:27 |
| rm_you | it's a little quirky about where you speak at it | 07:27 |
| rm_you | try moving it around | 07:27 |
| rm_you | or speaking louder | 07:27 |
| rm_you | and see if it might be muted somewhere | 07:27 |
| doc|home | where's the mic? | 07:27 |
| rm_you | top | 07:27 |
| rm_you | middle | 07:27 |
| doc|home | yeah, I had the top almost in my mouth :) | 07:27 |
| doc|home | and the mic's not muted in the software anyway | 07:28 |
| Navi | try out maemo recorder? | 07:28 |
| doc|home | rm_you: say something :) | 07:28 |
| doc|home | the sip client, eeet dooo nuthink | 07:29 |
| rm_you | video? | 07:29 |
| doc|home | nope | 07:29 |
| rm_you | no audio or video? | 07:29 |
| doc|home | I don't care about video to be honest | 07:29 |
| rm_you | pop your camera | 07:30 |
| doc|home | I did | 07:30 |
| doc|home | you should be able to see my screen | 07:30 |
| * doc|home is camera shy | 07:30 | |
| rm_you | lol | 07:30 |
| rm_you | nope | 07:30 |
| rm_you | you can't see my video either? | 07:30 |
| doc|home | nope | 07:30 |
| doc|home | can you hear anything? | 07:31 |
| rm_you | no | 07:31 |
| rm_you | >_> | 07:31 |
| rm_you | weird | 07:31 |
| doc|home | see? it fail! | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 07:31 |
| rm_you | sec | 07:31 |
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| rm_you | wait... i'm not actually on RTCOM beta yet >_> | 07:31 |
| doc|home | that's just as a plain sip client, not rtcomm | 07:31 |
| rm_you | i flashed recently | 07:31 |
| doc|home | but ekiga.net is sip according to Navi | 07:31 |
| rm_you | so it didnt get installed | 07:32 |
| rm_you | yeah, it is | 07:32 |
| doc|home | so it should work | 07:32 |
| doc|home | weird, I'm not even getting the ekiga echo test working now | 07:32 |
| * doc|home stabs | 07:33 | |
| * Navi bleeds | 07:34 | |
| rm_you | HA! | 07:35 |
| rm_you | my tablet rebooted | 07:35 |
| rm_you | but i *SAW* it finally | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | saw what? | 07:35 |
| rm_you | so... how do i make it STOP @*#($(@ing doing that | 07:35 |
| rm_you | it just randomly reboots | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:35 |
| rm_you | like three times a day | 07:35 |
| rm_you | for the past month | 07:35 |
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| KotCzarny | i have read about it lately | 07:35 |
| rm_you | annoying as hell, but it always hapens in my pocket | 07:35 |
| rm_you | so i don't see it | 07:35 |
| rm_you | but it was sitting on my desk | 07:36 |
| rm_you | and it made a noise! | 07:36 |
| rm_you | and rebooted | 07:36 |
| Navi | I love it when it taps three times | 07:36 |
| Navi | when I've only tapped it once | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | i hate it when it opens microb when i click on 'control panel' | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | (opens control panel too) | 07:37 |
| solmumaha | Navi: i hate that too. Are you using the latest firmware? (the one that fixes the boot problem) Someone at itt said it also fixes the touchscreen issue | 07:42 |
| Navi | Yeah, latest | 07:43 |
| solmumaha | k, so it doesn't fix it | 07:43 |
| rm_you | havent seen the multi-crazytap issue with the newest on mine | 07:43 |
| rm_you | and i definately did have that issue before | 07:43 |
| rm_you | but mine does still randomly reboot | 07:43 |
| rm_you | in fact, it just did it again | 07:43 |
| rm_you | and i hadnt even touched it since it booted last time | 07:43 |
| rm_you | it's just rebootlooping after about 5 minutes of idling | 07:44 |
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| solmumaha | maybe i can wait for diablo, but i think it's a feature that keeps coming back every now and then | 07:45 |
| solmumaha | and typing a longer message is a real pita | 07:46 |
| Navi | fine for me | 07:46 |
| Navi | I just make sure to press hard when I type | 07:47 |
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| rm_you | hrm, so it makes a noise, the LED on the dpad blinks, the screen isn't responsive, and then it reboots after about 2 seconds | 07:56 |
| rm_you | i'm assuming it's watchdog doing that? | 07:56 |
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| KotCzarny | hum. | 08:02 |
| rm_you | fuck. 6th reboot in 30 minutes. and i'm not even touching it. | 08:03 |
| rm_you | why does it keep doing this. | 08:03 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: overheating? | 08:03 |
| KotCzarny | any abnormal activity? | 08:03 |
| rm_you | it's just been sitting on the desk.. | 08:03 |
| rm_you | and it doesnt feel hot | 08:03 |
| rm_you | not even warm to the touch | 08:03 |
| rm_you | room temperature >_> | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | faulty ram? | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | corrupted fs? | 08:04 |
| KotCzarny | flash os2007 ? | 08:04 |
| rm_you | i'll boot into debian | 08:05 |
| rm_you | i dont think it'll reboot | 08:05 |
| rm_you | if it does... | 08:05 |
| rm_you | :/ | 08:05 |
| rm_you | that would be sad | 08:05 |
| KotCzarny | yeah. | 08:05 |
| rm_you | i dont think its under warrantee | 08:05 |
| KotCzarny | out of warranty? | 08:05 |
| rm_you | no idea... | 08:05 |
| doc|home | that sucks :( | 08:05 |
| rm_you | i bought it used off ITT like... last July | 08:05 |
| KotCzarny | you can always sell it for parts | 08:05 |
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| KotCzarny | stylus 10$ each, screen, hum, 100$ ? ;) battery 10-20$, case 10-30$ | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:07 |
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| rm_you | >_> | 08:07 |
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| * doc|home has dibs on the stylus! | 08:09 | |
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| Navi | heh | 08:11 |
| KotCzarny | doc: you don't even know if he has the same model as you | 08:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:11 |
| doc|home | he said he had an n800 | 08:11 |
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| doc|home | iirc | 08:12 |
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| rm_you | yep | 08:14 |
| rm_you | well, debian doesnt appear to be rebooting... | 08:14 |
| rm_you | so either it broke and doesnt have watchdog... | 08:15 |
| rm_you | OR it works :P | 08:15 |
| KotCzarny | maybe your internal flash is corrupted? | 08:15 |
| * doc|home is getting a stylus?! | 08:15 | |
| KotCzarny | try installing os2008 to mmc? | 08:15 |
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| rm_you | actually gonna try it without any SD cards | 08:17 |
| rm_you | then will try cloning os2008 to sd | 08:17 |
| rm_you | i want to be working on my applet >_> | 08:17 |
| rm_you | but i have to deal with this shit | 08:17 |
| KotCzarny | check if wd is running | 08:17 |
| rm_you | i never turned it off | 08:18 |
| rm_you | so i would guess it is | 08:18 |
| rm_you | can i turn it off? | 08:18 |
| KotCzarny | have you enabled it in debian? | 08:18 |
| rm_you | ohol | 08:18 |
| rm_you | in debian | 08:18 |
| rm_you | *oh | 08:18 |
| KotCzarny | it's not automatically enabled | 08:18 |
| rm_you | i thought we were talking about os2008 again | 08:18 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 08:18 |
| rm_you | how can i disable watchdog in os2008? | 08:19 |
| rm_you | do i need to flash? | 08:19 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 08:19 |
| KotCzarny | i think it's proc/sys settable | 08:20 |
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| KotCzarny | offtopic but nice: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12726 | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:24 |
| doc|home | that's on-topic :) | 08:26 |
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| KotCzarny | how does it relate to rm_you's problem? | 08:26 |
| * doc|home looks at the topic | 08:27 | |
| doc|home | no mention of rm_you there :) | 08:27 |
| rm_you | and wtf is this "USB device not supported" that pops up periodically (and once it is up, continues to pop up until i reboot the device)?! | 08:28 |
| rm_you | >_< | 08:28 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 08:28 |
| * doc|home has never had that | 08:28 | |
| doc|home | rm_you: look, just be done with it and sell me your stylus... | 08:28 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: maybe your usb has some pins shorted? | 08:28 |
| rm_you | hrm | 08:28 |
| rm_you | could that also cause my reboot issue? | 08:29 |
| KotCzarny | have you played with host mode etc lately? | 08:29 |
| rm_you | no? | 08:29 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 08:29 |
| rm_you | other than I found that switching the mode back and forth between OTG and host sometimes makes it stop popping up the message | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | login via ssh and monitor kernel messages? | 08:30 |
| rm_you | but i didnt play with that until after it started popping up | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | The watchdog can be disabled by way of the no-retu-wd flag accessible from the flasher tool. | 08:30 |
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| rm_you | so... i do have to flash | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | not flash | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | just set a flag | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | using a flasher | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:31 |
| rm_you | http://pastebin.ca/945837 | 08:31 |
| rm_you | that is repeated infinitely in dmesg | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | definitely some b0rkage there | 08:32 |
| KotCzarny | not good | 08:32 |
| rm_you | switching it to host mode makes the message stop | 08:33 |
| rm_you | and then it apparently SHUT OFF | 08:34 |
| rm_you | not rebooted... shut off entirely. | 08:34 |
| doc|home | o.O | 08:34 |
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| doc|home | how do you get the kernel messages? they're not in /var or /var/loh | 08:35 |
| doc|home | *log | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | cat /proc/kmsg | 08:35 |
| doc|home | ah, thanks | 08:35 |
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| rm_you | <5>[ 54.968750] JFFS2 notice: (412) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0c32fa90: read 0x884c7b7c, calculated 0x1e11e874. | 08:36 |
| rm_you | hrm | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | usual fun after reboot | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 08:37 |
| doc|home | hmmm, when I try to run the sip client and call the ekiga test server the last message is EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled and EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled | 08:38 |
| KotCzarny | power saving, ignore. | 08:38 |
| doc|home | grrr | 08:38 |
| rm_you | how are these apps using more than 100% of my memory <_< | 08:39 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: it's only virtual reservation | 08:40 |
| KotCzarny | not actual usage | 08:40 |
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| eichi | someone can give me a working qemu maemo sdk? | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | erm. | 08:42 |
| * KotCzarny has only 128kbit uplink | 08:42 | |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:42 |
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| KotCzarny | and my sdk is ~5G | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | may be cut to 300-500mb but still overkill for my dsl :> | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | echi: unpack vmware image? | 08:44 |
| wom- | eichi: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ and then everything works :) | 08:44 |
| rm_you | maybe the rebooting has something to do with LCARS? >_> *grasps at straws* | 08:46 |
| rm_you | it is using 18% cpu while charging because of the animated charging icon, i believe | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you: flash a virgin os | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | don't restore anything | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | just test it for a few hours | 08:47 |
| rm_you | i'm so sick of flashing <_< | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | why? it's easy | 08:47 |
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| KotCzarny | and quick | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:47 |
| rm_you | and then setting up my stuff afterwards takes like 4 hours | 08:47 |
| rm_you | and i've done it 4 times in the last month | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | make a backup then | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:48 |
| rm_you | 2 of those were in one day >_> | 08:48 |
| * KotCzarny still runs the same os as 2 weeks before | 08:48 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:48 |
| rm_you | yeah, and then i restore the backup and its broken again? >_> | 08:48 |
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| KotCzarny | at least you will know it's something in your apps | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | or settings | 08:49 |
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| pupnik | heh solmumaha's JA2 sold one more N800 | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: what about right click? | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:58 |
| pupnik | screenshots sell games, not usability :) | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | and then you get the feedback.. | 08:58 |
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| solmumaha | KotCzarny: jagged has right click if that's what you mean | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | solmumaha: how do you simulate it on n800? | 09:00 |
| solmumaha | click with menu button down | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | yeah........ | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | solmumaha: have you ever played ja2? | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | in fight mode right click is used ~4times per second | 09:01 |
| solmumaha | eh? | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | sorry | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | misread you | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:02 |
| solmumaha | i forgive you | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:02 |
| pupnik | http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showpost.php?p=666297&postcount=88 A very good little photo series to show eedjots who compare N810 to the EEE or a laptop or a phone | 09:03 |
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| KotCzarny | yeah, everything has it's uses | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | even windows | 09:04 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:05 |
| doc|home | lird | 09:05 |
| doc|home | lies! | 09:05 |
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| qwerty12 | @pupnik, I know it's old but does your super mario war port run on os2008? | 09:07 |
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| pupnik | probably | 09:08 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks, I'll try it out. Your site doesn't mention any specific OS, | 09:09 |
| pupnik | i'm slowly working through the library with updates | 09:10 |
| qwerty12 | Oh right. Great amount of games though, thanks :) | 09:10 |
| pupnik | mm a fullsize wacom pen makes a sweet stylus | 09:15 |
| zuh | pupnik: hmh, that url is missing (photo) comparison with eepc. Though, it wouldn't be that much different from comparing to the macbook... | 09:15 |
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| KotCzarny | isn't wacom pen magnetic? | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | zuh: still, point is made, you probably can't put eepc in a pocket | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:16 |
| pupnik | dunno - nice plastic tip | 09:16 |
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| zuh | KotCzarny: Actually I did ;) but I'll admit that it was a big pocket and not that practical... | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:17 |
| zuh | Kept me warm in the winter chill tho! :P | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | zuh, i would prefer better jacket | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | no risk of running out of batteries ;) | 09:18 |
| zuh | Those things run quite hot | 09:18 |
| zuh | Yeah well, my N800 warned me periodically (2-5mins apart) that "oh no, battery is low!" and indeed, after another hour or so of watching videos and listening to music it did die. | 09:19 |
| zuh | I wish the battery state would be a bit more useful in that thing | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | zuh: i'm working on it | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | but getting correct estimation is quite hard with accus | 09:21 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, the recharge battery thing pisses me off. At least give me a proper 10 second warning like my PPC did instead of 3 random battery low's before :( | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty: you should reconnect charger after first 'battery low' | 09:22 |
| pupnik | i'd love a cheap external charger | 09:22 |
| pupnik | keep 2 spare batteries full for on-the-go | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | because applying load will drain it very quickly | 09:22 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: make one | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:23 |
| qwerty12 | KotCzarny: True. But I'm lazy :(, sniff sniff | 09:23 |
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| cLin | AHH http://laist.com/attachments/la_jeremy/hillaryobama.jpg | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | looks better than before | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:34 |
| qwerty12 | lol | 09:34 |
| tank-man | weird | 09:35 |
| cLin | lol | 09:35 |
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| * pupnik ~wibbles~ | 09:40 | |
| * KotCzarny codes | 09:41 | |
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| batiestuta | Good afternoon everyone! I want to ask you a question. How can i check the gcc version used to build Nokia-N800- 2.6.21-omap1. Thanks | 10:14 |
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| KotCzarny | it's probably 3.4.4 | 10:15 |
| batiestuta | My program uses a kernel module, so I want to use scratchbox to build the kernel module and also the program itself. Where do I find some instruction on how to the above stuff? Thanks | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | batiestuta: you can safely use gcc that comes with sdk | 10:17 |
| jku | batiestuta, maemo.org -> Documentation? | 10:19 |
| jku | batiestuta, especially http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html#compilingmodules | 10:20 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:41 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:45 |
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| Italodance | YEAH! | 11:00 |
| Italodance | :D | 11:00 |
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| Italodance | who is from maemo website staff here? | 11:01 |
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| Italodance | ????? | 11:05 |
| Italodance | ciao | 11:05 |
| Italodance | ragazzi? | 11:05 |
| AStorm | i guess no one is | 11:06 |
| Italodance | tnx :D | 11:06 |
| Italodance | i can't download from maemo yet | 11:07 |
| Italodance | aggg | 11:07 |
| Italodance | i send them 3 emails | 11:07 |
| Italodance | *t | 11:07 |
| Italodance | sen*t | 11:07 |
| Italodance | lol :p | 11:08 |
| Italodance | AStorm where are u from>? | 11:08 |
| Italodance | i think i am only from ASIA here! | 11:08 |
| Italodance | who's from asia too? | 11:08 |
| AStorm | uhm, Poland? | 11:08 |
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| Italodance | ummm how Media_Converter_Windows_1.43 can works? | 11:14 |
| Italodance | it is a java/?/?/ | 11:14 |
| Italodance | i didn't work on my win | 11:14 |
| Italodance | ????? | 11:14 |
| Sargun | ... | 11:15 |
| Sargun | win? | 11:15 |
| pupnik | Sun Java 1.4 or later needed. | 11:16 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/VideoEncoding/ | 11:16 |
| Italodance | tnx | 11:16 |
| Italodance | yes i have xp sp2 | 11:16 |
| pupnik | use any program, reduce video resolution to <= 400 wide and <=240 high | 11:17 |
| Italodance | Sargun lol IT didn't work on my win | 11:17 |
| pupnik | and it will probably play well | 11:17 |
| Italodance | :D | 11:17 |
| pupnik | ... with mplayer | 11:18 |
| Sargun | use mencoder | 11:18 |
| Italodance | i have Internet Tablet Video Converter and it is very good for me | 11:18 |
| Italodance | the problem is for h264 it can't read to convert | 11:18 |
| pupnik | ahh i have no h264 | 11:19 |
| Italodance | h264 = x264 = *.mkv = bluray convert | 11:19 |
| Italodance | pupnik are u on playing the games? | 11:20 |
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| pupnik | i play them a little bit | 11:21 |
| Italodance | with ur tablet? | 11:22 |
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| pupnik | yes | 11:23 |
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| Italodance | i need ur teach can u help me? | 11:24 |
| pupnik | a little, yes | 11:25 |
| Italodance | well | 11:25 |
| Italodance | i installed deb file of shadow walker into my internal n800 mmmc | 11:26 |
| Italodance | i can seec the icon but it doesn't work | 11:27 |
| Italodance | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17420 | 11:27 |
| Italodance | i don't understand this: /media/mmc[1-2]/share/sw and put sw.grp, sw.rts | 11:27 |
| pupnik | ok well either use mmc1, or use mmc2 | 11:29 |
| AStorm | mmc1 is the internal one | 11:29 |
| pupnik | the game will work if you use mmc1 | 11:29 |
| pupnik | the game will work if you use mmc2 | 11:29 |
| pupnik | it is a very smart game | 11:30 |
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| Italodance | ummm so it is not important to add sw.grp, sw.rts in mmc1 or mmc2? | 11:31 |
| Italodance | sw.deb is installed on my internal mmmc (256) n800 and icon is available on n800 os 2008 | 11:32 |
| Italodance | but where are sw.grp, sw.rts and where can i add them? to my other mmmc sd ? | 11:33 |
| AStorm | btw, how do i install apps on a disk other than internal 256 mb? | 11:37 |
| pupnik | you configure the device to boot from mmc | 11:38 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 11:47 |
| AStorm | pupnik, i don't know if i want that | 11:48 |
| AStorm | it's N810 though | 11:48 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: yes, you want | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:49 |
| AStorm | hmm | 11:49 |
| AStorm | any howto? | 11:49 |
| pupnik | or you can symlink something static to mmc | 11:49 |
| pupnik | like /usr/local/share or /usr/share | 11:50 |
| pupnik | as a stopgap | 11:50 |
| AStorm | bonus points if that includes info on building debs for maemo | 11:50 |
| AStorm | want to build recent gcc for it | 11:50 |
| KotCzarny | astorm: booting from mmc will save internal flash | 11:50 |
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| AStorm | (yeah, need a crosscompiler, not a problem) | 11:50 |
| KotCzarny | which is not replaceable | 11:50 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny, but i have 2 internal flashes ;p | 11:51 |
| KotCzarny | nope. | 11:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:51 |
| AStorm | 256 and 2048 | 11:51 |
| AStorm | yeah, N819 | 11:52 |
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| KotCzarny | you have 1 internal flash and 1 internal mmc slot (and 1 external mmc slot in n800) | 11:52 |
| AStorm | heh, n810 ofc | 11:52 |
| AStorm | exactlz | 11:52 |
| AStorm | but the internal mmc slot is a flash chip | 11:52 |
| AStorm | on n810 | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | heh. | 11:53 |
| Italodance | i can play duke nowb :D | 11:53 |
| KotCzarny | i'm talking about replaceable flash (mmc) and not replaceable (internal flash) | 11:53 |
| AStorm | well, i want to keep media on replaceable one | 11:55 |
| AStorm | it's a pity they axed the second mmc slot | 11:55 |
| pupnik | nice Italodance :) | 11:56 |
| AStorm | ok, have to prepare my gentoo for crossing | 11:57 |
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| liri | heyas | 13:47 |
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| cyberholic | yippie ya yo! | 14:41 |
| liri | does anyone have experience with using maemo-mapper or another gps program and freemap.co.il (which is based on RoadMap) ? | 14:44 |
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| cyberholic | hey people, i have not receive any critics from you about my latest n800/n810 wallpapers.... are they soooo ugly??? | 14:54 |
| wom- | where are they? :) | 14:55 |
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| mbuf | how do i get the source code of kagu from garage.maemo.org? | 14:57 |
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| jku | mbuf http://kagu.garage.maemo.org/ -> "developers" | 15:00 |
| mbuf | jku, ohh! Thanks! didn't see the project page before | 15:03 |
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| disq | kagumedia.com :) | 15:06 |
| disq | (oh, hi) | 15:06 |
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| cyberholic | wom: http://www.mojocafe.de/blog | 15:26 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:34 |
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| BTobotras | 100 downloads and no comments. Weird that nobody out of those 100 tried ot use :) | 15:35 |
| jku | BTobotras, of what? | 15:37 |
| BTobotras | jku: of small utility I've hacked out | 15:38 |
| cyberholic | that's something i also realized :) | 15:39 |
| BTobotras | https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/notap/ | 15:40 |
| BTobotras | But the question is purely theoretical | 15:40 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | is maemo.org down? | 15:51 |
| magicrobotmonkey | nm, BTobotras hhtps link just didnt work | 15:52 |
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| Brains | Hrm... Any chance that the SDK's memory requirement (256MB) is inflated... | 15:55 |
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| BTobotras | magicrobotmonkey: s/https/http/ | 16:22 |
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| nrktk | hi | 17:01 |
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| Italodance | ag | 17:13 |
| Italodance | i am crying :'''( | 17:13 |
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| Italodance | maemo doesn't help me why? | 17:15 |
| Italodance | i am alone :''( | 17:15 |
| Italodance | why for what? | 17:16 |
| Italodance | i bought only an nokia n800 | 17:16 |
| Italodance | :'( | 17:16 |
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| cyberholic | Question: does anyone of you know of a videocapture tool for my n800? I am not asking for screencapture, i want to records some video.... | 17:20 |
| qwerty12 | videocapture | 17:20 |
| qwerty12 | Is the name of the prog :P | 17:20 |
| qwerty12 | Oh wait, do you mean with inbuilt camera? | 17:21 |
| cyberholic | well... i want to record the "things "that i do on my maemo so that i can upload it to youtube. In detail: i want to make a "what is mojocafe.de" tutorial video. | 17:22 |
| qwerty12 | If you mean record video with built in camera, then videocapture would work. If you mean the actual screen, then I dont think there is. Unless you run VNC and record it on your comp | 17:22 |
| cyberholic | yeah.... VNC could be a solution..... | 17:22 |
| qwerty12 | BTW: Great work with mojocafe :) | 17:22 |
| cyberholic | thanks a lot :) ... have you checked the weather mojo? | 17:22 |
| Italodance | :'''( | 17:23 |
| qwerty12 | :) I've looked at it but I use OMWeather so I'm in 2 minds (sorry) | 17:23 |
| cyberholic | Italo... scuzi... why are you crying? | 17:23 |
| Italodance | cyberholic read up :( | 17:23 |
| qwerty12 | But the webcams and the clocks are great :), thanks :) | 17:23 |
| cyberholic | qwerty: *gg* ... OMWeather is niiiiiiice. .... yeah, one of my mojos is the NewYork Webcam..... never been there but i love it :) | 17:24 |
| cyberholic | italo: what do you mean? maemo does not help you? | 17:24 |
| qwerty12 | Same here :). But in London, lol very busy :D | 17:24 |
| Italodance | is there someone from maemo website? | 17:24 |
| Italodance | well | 17:24 |
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| cyberholic | qwerty: you want me to add a london webcam? | 17:24 |
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| b0r0las | saludos... alguien que hable español para un par de preguntas? | 17:24 |
| Italodance | i am can see only this message on maemo downloads | 17:25 |
| Italodance | Authorization Required | 17:25 |
| Italodance | This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document | 17:25 |
| Italodance | requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or | 17:25 |
| Italodance | your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. | 17:25 |
| Italodance | Apache/1.3.33 Server at ossostage.cidercone.com Port 80 | 17:25 |
| cyberholic | borolas: solo un pouco... soy portugues. | 17:25 |
| Italodance | about 4 days after my buy | 17:25 |
| Italodance | :( | 17:25 |
| qwerty12 | @cyberholic , Ok, then please :). Thanks :) | 17:25 |
| Italodance | i need maemo for my n800 | 17:25 |
| Italodance | please help and fix it | 17:25 |
| cyberholic | Italodance: have you clicked on the DOWNLOADS and then choosen a software? | 17:25 |
| Italodance | yes | 17:25 |
| Italodance | noone can work | 17:25 |
| sp3000 | Italodance: you could ask on the list or file a bug with specifics | 17:26 |
| cyberholic | what do you mean with "i need maemo" on my n800... ? | 17:26 |
| qwerty12 | @cyberholic If you use VNC, I would recommend penguinbait's version. It runs RDP server too. If you don't need RDP, Mike Saunby's version works great too | 17:26 |
| cyberholic | Italo: can you visit this site with your device and download Vagalume? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vagalume/ | 17:26 |
| qwerty12 | @Italodance, give me a link that gives you the authrisation message | 17:26 |
| Italodance | cyberholic i can't download nothing apps games...for my n800 | 17:26 |
| b0r0las | i need something like "smart list to go" for n800 | 17:26 |
| Italodance | example i want canola but can't | 17:26 |
| cyberholic | qwerty: what exactly is RDP? | 17:26 |
| qwerty12 | Remote Desktop. Do you use Linux or Windows? | 17:27 |
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| Italodance | friends look here : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2237#c4 my problem is on Comment #2 | 17:27 |
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| qwerty12 | Its some Microsoft Thing that lets you connect to another windows computer as a different user | 17:27 |
| cyberholic | qwerty: win xp | 17:27 |
| Italodance | i sent 3 emails to maemo yesterday but doidn't reply from them yet :( | 17:27 |
| cyberholic | italo: do not spam them.... that wont make it faster. | 17:28 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 i use IE and Firefox on my pc and use my n800 opera too | 17:28 |
| Italodance | cyberholic sorry i am sad..can u feel me? | 17:28 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, With VNC, you see what is exactly on the screen, who is logged in at the time. With Remote Desktop, you can log into another computer remotely as another user and not see what another logged in person is doing | 17:28 |
| cyberholic | qwerty: ah ok, thanks. but i think that i do not need that. I used VNC years ago and think that that will make it.... will install it right now on my device :) | 17:28 |
| qwerty12 | Cool :) | 17:28 |
| cyberholic | Italo: well.... to tell you the truth i can NOT feel you and that feels great because if i would feel you, my mum would delete my name for her testament. | 17:29 |
| qwerty12 | Lol | 17:29 |
| cyberholic | *my mum is very catholic* | 17:29 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 example http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.0/free/r/rdesktop/rdesktop_0.4_armel.deb | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | Yep, it works in London :( | 17:30 |
| Italodance | yes but here no :( | 17:30 |
| qwerty12 | Have you tried another computer that is on another ISP? | 17:30 |
| cyberholic | Boroloas: is that some kind of To Do List? .... eso es un pouco como uma lista de cosas para hazer? | 17:30 |
| Veggen | Italodance: what you need is a proxy. | 17:30 |
| Veggen | (I guess) | 17:30 |
| cyberholic | Italo: have you tried to turn you computer on and off again? | 17:31 |
| Italodance | Veggen no i don't use any proxy | 17:31 |
| cyberholic | *gg* | 17:31 |
| Italodance | cyberholic yes lol i tried to download from there with my n800 too and saw this message again | 17:31 |
| cyberholic | very strange.... | 17:31 |
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| Italodance | this is on my both device pc and n800 | 17:32 |
| Italodance | yes i am crying.... | 17:32 |
| cyberholic | qwerty: do you know if the vnc viewer also works on chinook aka os2008 ? | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | It works but no keyboard :( | 17:32 |
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| cyberholic | Italo: are you from rome? | 17:32 |
| qwerty12 | So if you have N800 like me, very annoying | 17:32 |
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| Italodance | hope maemo reply me as soon as possible and fix it for me | 17:32 |
| * sp3000 doesn't find it strange in light of comment 4 and traceroute, fwiw | 17:32 | |
| qwerty12 | But you can see and control with mouse another computer | 17:33 |
| Italodance | cyberholic no i am from Iran (Persia) | 17:33 |
| cyberholic | Don't you have somewhere a WLAN coffee shop or something like that where you could try it from there? | 17:33 |
| Italodance | cyberholic i told u i use my n800 wlan on other places and just saw it again | 17:34 |
| cyberholic | ah ok. strange. | 17:34 |
| qwerty12 | Italodance: Try this link : http://www.the-cloak.com/Cloaked/+cfg=15/http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.0/free/r/rdesktop/rdesktop_0.4_armel.deb | 17:34 |
| Italodance | i know the problem is from maemo website and they must help me cos i need my n800 | 17:34 |
| Italodance | umm | 17:35 |
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| cyberholic | ah, ok. i can not download VNC Viewer for os2008... incompatible application package..... I AM CRYING TOO NOW *loool* | 17:36 |
| qwerty12 | Where are you getting it from? I had it once upon a flash on N800 OS2008 | 17:37 |
| cyberholic | i tried it from the website but now i#ll try it from the application manager | 17:37 |
| b0r0las | cyberholic, es para manejar base de datos | 17:38 |
| cyberholic | strange... does not find it. | 17:38 |
| cyberholic | borolas: entiendes un pouco de mysql? ... do you understand a bit of MySql? | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | I'll take a look, I know fo sure, I had a chinook version :P | 17:38 |
| b0r0las | cyberholic, yes... but i'm searching something with gui | 17:39 |
| cyberholic | ah ok.... | 17:39 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 works | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | All you need is a proxy :) | 17:40 |
| b0r0las | i'm searching a database gui | 17:40 |
| qwerty12 | The example, I used (the-cloak) is really crap. Limits etc | 17:40 |
| Italodance | ummm but please look here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2237#c4 | 17:40 |
| Italodance | maemo.org gives authorization request error on "yu" domain ?????? | 17:40 |
| Italodance | i think maemo should open it for my country??? | 17:41 |
| cyberholic | how can i found out quickly whether i have bora or chinook? or anything else? | 17:41 |
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| qwerty12 | I dont understand, sorry. Bora=2007 | 17:42 |
| cyberholic | *find out* i mean | 17:42 |
| cyberholic | qwerty: ah, sorry my failure. i just checked that VNC does not exist for chinook....http://vncviewer.garage.maemo.org/ | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | @cyberholic, try https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2775/vncviewer_0.6.1-chinook1_armel.deb | 17:43 |
| cyberholic | *hugs* | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | That was the deb I used so I'm sure it works | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 17:43 |
| qwerty12 | If it doesn't, install in red-pill or with dpkg | 17:44 |
| cyberholic | but is that not only the client to view a different computer... i want to view the n800 screen on my pc.... | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | Yes it is | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | Wait a sec :) | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | Does having a vnc password on the connection matter? | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | There are 2 releases of vnc server for chinook | 17:45 |
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| cyberholic | oh... my girlfriend is calling... be back in a few minutes..... *sounds like trouble* | 17:45 |
| qwerty12 | gl :D | 17:45 |
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| Italodance | qwerty12 tell me where is red-pill? | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | 1 is just VNC without password support the other one is VNC with password support but also comes with RDP support. | 17:46 |
| cyberholic | if i am not back in 20 minutes let me tell you: it was nice with you! i love you! good by cruel world! | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, I want more mojo's :P. Dont go yet :P :) | 17:46 |
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| qwerty12 | @Italodance: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode/ | 17:46 |
| Italodance | qwerty12 please can u tell me about red-pill or with dpkg? | 17:46 |
| Italodance | tnx | 17:47 |
| Italodance | and dpkg? | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | dpkg, search it up on internet tablet talk. if you cannot login as root, its a bit long to set up | 17:47 |
| Italodance | i am as Italodance there :D | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | Cool :) | 17:48 |
| qwerty12 | I'm qwerty12 there too :D | 17:48 |
| Italodance | :D i know u heheh | 17:48 |
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| qwerty12 | @cyberholic, if you make it back :P, "1 is just VNC without password support the other one is VNC with password support but also comes with RDP support.", tell me which one you want :D | 17:52 |
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| pope523 | I used an SD card reader on my XP machine to put some files on my SD card and now my N800 says it's corrupted. I put it back in the card reader on my PC and it's still readable there. Any ideas how I can fix it? | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | Have you tried "scanning the disk"? | 18:00 |
| wom | pope523: format it in N800? | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | I'm in Linux right now so I cant really help. | 18:00 |
| pope523 | I only know a little about Linux, but in terminal it says it can't find fsck | 18:00 |
| qwerty12 | On the N800 itself? | 18:00 |
| pope523 | qwerty12: Yes | 18:01 |
| ||cw | install ext2tools | 18:01 |
| ||cw | or utils or something | 18:01 |
| pope523 | wom: I'd like to avoid formatting if possible | 18:01 |
| qwerty12 | I think put it back in card reader and tell windows to scan it | 18:01 |
| ||cw | ph, vfat as well | 18:01 |
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| qwerty12 | fscking it on the N800 itself is a bit weird, let me look it up | 18:01 |
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| qwerty12 | @pope523 Put the card back in the card reader please and tell me what letter windows gives the card please? | 18:04 |
| pope523 | F: | 18:05 |
| qwerty12 | Go to start> run and type "cmd" and run it. In the dos window type in chkdsk F: /f | 18:06 |
| pope523 | "Windows has checked the file system and found no problems." | 18:07 |
| Italodance | what is mnotify_2.0.3_armel? | 18:08 |
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| qwerty12 | chkdsk F: /r ? | 18:08 |
| qwerty12 | Do you have a swap file on the memory card by any chance? | 18:08 |
| pope523 | qwerty12: Not that I know of | 18:09 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm not really sure then. Try chkdsk F: /r | 18:09 |
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| pope523 | qwerty12: It's running still | 18:09 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, sorry | 18:09 |
| pope523 | qwerty12: Same, no problems found | 18:10 |
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| qwerty12 | That's odd. My N800 would say the memory card was corrupt if I had made a dodgy .swap on the Memory card when the MMC wasnt corrupt itself | 18:10 |
| cyberholic | ok... i am back aka survied it :) | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | :D | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | "@cyberholic, if you make it back :P, "1 is just VNC without password support the other one is VNC with password support but also comes with RDP support.", tell me which one you want :D" | 18:12 |
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| cyberholic | nah, i dont need passwordzzzzz for this....i hope :) ..... must i then install the "standard" VNC for windows on my xp ? | 18:13 |
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| qwerty12 | This server will work fine : http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | You can use any vnc client | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | I like tightvnc, you can get it in just the viewer w/out installing anything | 18:14 |
| cyberholic | sounds great! | 18:14 |
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| pope523 | qwerty12: Oh, it looks like it's saying both my SD cards are corrupt, so it's a system thing and not a card thing | 18:16 |
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| pope523 | and reformatting in the n800 doesn't seem to do anything | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | And you are sure you have no swap file? | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | Check in memory applet in control panel on device | 18:18 |
| pope523 | On the Virtual tab it says there is no Internal memory card | 18:19 |
| pope523 | Here's something else... | 18:19 |
| Veggen | qwerty: I found it useful to have dosfstools or similar cross-compiled on it. | 18:19 |
| pope523 | I backed up the data from teh crad in my external slot, put it back in the n800 and reformatted it | 18:19 |
| pope523 | It still says it's corrupt | 18:19 |
| Veggen | and umount, fsck.vfat and mount again, manually. | 18:19 |
| pope523 | and the files are still there when I put it back in my XP machine | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | @Veggen dosfstools - thats a good idea, thanks :) | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | What happens if you format the card but do not put the data back? | 18:21 |
| pope523 | qwerty12: I didn't put the data back, it was still there | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Even after a format? | 18:22 |
| pope523 | Veggen: the cards don't seem to be mounted in the first place, fsck.vfat doesn't indicate any errors | 18:22 |
| pope523 | qwerty12: Yes | 18:22 |
| pope523 | qwerty12: After formatting in the n800 | 18:22 |
| qwerty12 | What about formatting it with computer? | 18:23 |
| Veggen | pope523: I think it actually needs a -f argument or such to fsck.vfat | 18:24 |
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| Veggen | btw, untested but just-compiled dosfstools (should work) here: http://vegard.engen.priv.no/dosfstools_2.11-2.1_armel.deb | 18:25 |
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| qwerty12 | Gronmayer lists dosfstools in Maemo Chinook & its already installed on my device according to apt-get ? :\ | 18:26 |
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| Veggen | oh, wait. it's perhaps already installed. | 18:26 |
| Veggen | qwerty: hmm, it wasn't in the OS2007, I think ;) | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | :) . I've only ever used OS2008 on my N800. When I got my N800, OS2008 was already out :D | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | fsck.vfat exists on OS2008 | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | at least on my N800 | 18:28 |
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| pope523 | qwerty12: fsck.vfat is on here, but didn't give me any errors. However, I think that it's reading the cards again but I'm not sure what did it. "Cleared while testing" and all that. | 18:30 |
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| pope523 | Yeah I restarted it again (which I had done before since this all started) and now it's mounting and reading files on both cards. | 18:31 |
| pope523 | Thanks for the help | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 18:31 |
| pope523 | Linux drives me nuts :) | 18:31 |
| pope523 | But at least it gives me something to do | 18:31 |
| wom | :) | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, same here. But I'm getting very used to Linux. I've spent ages "pimpin" up my Ubuntu and my scratchbox :D | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | I haven't been in Windows for days :) | 18:32 |
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| ||cw | it'll be years before you know it | 18:33 |
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| qwerty12 | I pressed Quit 8-) | 18:33 |
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| cyberholic | *mpfh* vnc can not establish a connection to my server..... :( | 18:34 |
| Proteous | what kind of server? | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | Thats odd, it worked for me. Is your router forwarding ports? | 18:35 |
| Veggen | I think Linux is actually easier to learn than windows. | 18:35 |
| Veggen | It's just that people that tries the transition didn't have that high expectations of themselves when they started with Windows. | 18:35 |
| cyberholic | nah.... i just checked that..... ill have to forward them but i am afraid of doing so... what if the web connection cancels i will never ever be able to talk to you again *sad* | 18:35 |
| pope523 | Veggen: Well, since I've been using Windows since 1991 and only used Linux off and on for the last 6 or 7 years, it's hard for me to say | 18:35 |
| Veggen | they expect to be able to be at the same level in Linux in just days when doing the transition to Linux. | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | @cyberholic No harm in you forwarding ports :D | 18:36 |
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| qwerty12 | I do it on my DG834GT all the time | 18:36 |
| Veggen | pope523: exactly. | 18:36 |
| qwerty12 | @Veggen, I agree :) | 18:36 |
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| jott | there are very few unbiased people as most people have been using windows for years | 18:36 |
| jott | and got used to its very very strange patterns | 18:36 |
| Veggen | jott: mm, true. I'm sort of opposite, though, I've never really learnt Windows thourougly, always had Unix or Linux as my primary desktop-platform. | 18:37 |
| Veggen | jott: I find Windows difficult to use. | 18:37 |
| jott | Veggen: i also find windows difficult to use in comparision to *nix based systems | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | I'm pretty good with both. But all the stuff I do in Windows, I realise I can do in Linux too. Except for playing games (I have ati so fglrx for me) | 18:38 |
| jott | but we are in a minority :) | 18:38 |
| pope523 | Linux has given me major problems every time I tried to use it as my primary OS. I installed Gentoo on my laptop. ACPI didn't work and unbeknownst to me wasn't swicthing on my case fan so I burned up a HD, and there wasn't anywhere to program my wireless LAN's WEP key. I had to reeenter the WEP key manually every time I rebooted | 18:38 |
| pope523 | The solution that was suggested to me was that I should write a script to run on startup to set my WEP key | 18:38 |
| jott | pope523: well gentoo is not really a distribution aimed at enduser usability more at professional users | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | My Ubuntu was like that with ndiswrapper but when I edited a forgotten conf file to modprobe ndiswrapper, all I have to do is ifdown wlan0 & bring it up again | 18:39 |
| qwerty12 | it connects faster then my windows too. | 18:39 |
| Veggen | pope523: oh, on beginner-polish, Windows has always been rather slick. It's the moment that something doesn't work like they thought it should that you realize that Windows is difficult. | 18:39 |
| jott | and i got a wlan card that is not supported by windows... | 18:39 |
| pope523 | It just seems like Linux is great for hobbyists and people who want to screw with their computer to get things to work right, but it never works right for me out-of-the-box. | 18:40 |
| pope523 | Veggen: Windows has never seems difficult to me :) | 18:40 |
| jott | so when you have hardware that is supported (i.e. vendors that open specs) everything is usually much easier than under windows | 18:40 |
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| pope523 | a wlan card not supported by Windows?? | 18:41 |
| pope523 | You're joking | 18:41 |
| jott | xp that is | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | That's what I thought :D | 18:41 |
| jott | it was supported by 98 | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | Eek | 18:41 |
| pope523 | That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | Does the win2k (if any) work? | 18:41 |
| qwerty12 | ^driver | 18:41 |
| jott | na nt | 18:41 |
| aquatix | same with my old-ish scanner | 18:41 |
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| pope523 | Scanners not having new drivers, I believe | 18:42 |
| aquatix | works fine under linux though | 18:42 |
| jott | no nt.. as the riva128 only works in vesa mode under nt | 18:42 |
| aquatix | ooh, riva128, those where the times | 18:42 |
| jott | hehe | 18:42 |
| * aquatix had one too | 18:42 | |
| jott | but still people crying that their hw is not running under linux.. they just bought the wrong hw | 18:43 |
| jott | or support the wrong vendor | 18:43 |
| aquatix | indeed | 18:43 |
| pope523 | heh | 18:43 |
| jott | its just pathetic - when a hw is not supported under linux its linux fault, if the hw is not supported under windows its the vendors fault | 18:43 |
| jott | its almost *always* the vendors fault | 18:44 |
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| jott | (open specs, release own driver, etc etc) | 18:44 |
| pope523 | If hardware isn't supported under Windows (XP at least), it's because it should be in a museum :) | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | I really hate TI (not rapper :P), they make chipsets on N800 closed and my wifi card is closed to (has ti chipset) :( | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | *too | 18:45 |
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| desertc | Hi all - thanks for all your work, Maemo developers. | 18:46 |
| cyberholic | hi desertc :) | 18:46 |
| qwerty12 | Hi :) | 18:47 |
| desertc | I have a question. The only thing I cannot really do with my N800 right now (that is really essential to me) is give presentations. | 18:47 |
| cyberholic | wait.... you mean your n800 can cook and wash your laundry? | 18:47 |
| desertc | Does anyone have suggestions on how I might be able to run a 'Powerpoint' style presentation on a N800? | 18:47 |
| pope523 | The screen is awfully small for giving presentations. | 18:47 |
| jott | pope523: why should one buy a new scanner if the old one works etc? but as stated its the vendors fault if drivers are missing for any os (be it win, osx, bsd, linux etc) so complain about the hardware not the os | 18:48 |
| desertc | :) yes, but with a laptop you can dock it to a projector so everyone can see the screen | 18:48 |
| cyberholic | desertc: try PDF.... the new PDF version also allows animation and "next chart" and "prev chart" and even autoslide | 18:48 |
| desertc | cyberholic: But how do you get the video out of the device? | 18:48 |
| cyberholic | that is exactly what i am trying right now and qwerty is helping me very much... the solution is called VNC | 18:49 |
| cyberholic | garag.maemo.org and enter VNC | 18:49 |
| desertc | I am familiar with VNC | 18:49 |
| cyberholic | or VNCreal.com (or something like tthat) | 18:49 |
| desertc | So, you are saying, the easiest way to do this is to run a remote desktop on another computer | 18:49 |
| cyberholic | there exists a VNC viewer for the device | 18:49 |
| desertc | If I had another computer, then I could just run the presentation on THAT computer | 18:50 |
| cyberholic | as far as i know at the moment yes. | 18:50 |
| cyberholic | correct | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | @desertc I think the NoBounds project would suit you. If it does get released | 18:50 |
| desertc | Is there any way to run the video out the USB cable? | 18:51 |
| desertc | To my knowledge, there are no other I/O ports on the N800 | 18:52 |
| desertc | ... there is the SDCard slot, of course, which is a super open standard ... | 18:52 |
| desertc | ... but it's not asynchronous. | 18:52 |
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| pope523 | desertc: This is the previously mentioned nobounds project: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/ | 18:53 |
| desertc | Thanks for the link | 18:54 |
| desertc | Oh yeah! That's what I am looking to do | 18:54 |
| jott | sneak into the bochum labs and steal the stuff :) | 18:54 |
| desertc | haha ... over the WLAN nice | 18:54 |
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| qwerty12 | @jott, I'll put on my ski mask... | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | But cyberholic is in Germany, I'm in the UK :P | 18:55 |
| cyberholic | :] | 18:55 |
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| cyberholic | 8] | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | :D :) | 18:56 |
| cyberholic | geeesus... can not establish a VNC server connection even after port forwarding... would be nice if you all could call me a "looser", that might help! | 18:56 |
| Mousey | looser | 18:56 |
| pope523 | looser | 18:57 |
| desertc | Actually, now that I think about it -- it would be 10 pounds of awesome to be able to put my N800 display on my monitor through the USB interface, just for regular home use. | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Lol | 18:57 |
| pope523 | desertc: VNC :) | 18:57 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Are you tryng to run VNC as client or server on your tablet? | 18:57 |
| Mousey | unless you're a looser, of course | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | @cyberholic: Tried the problems sections here http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702? | 18:57 |
| desertc | Well, the thing with VNC is the N800 would have to run the server-side software 24/7 | 18:57 |
| sKaBoy | desertc, n800/n810 support usb host mode.. maybe a usb-vga adapter work? | 18:57 |
| cyberholic | thanks guys! i am trying it as client.... i want to show the device desktop on my pc | 18:58 |
| desertc | sKaBoy: nice idea -- researching... | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Remove the question mark from my link :) | 18:58 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Are you on the same subnet as your server? | 18:58 |
| desertc | I have had the suspicious that running server side software like SSH and VNC will reduce the battery time on the N800. Is that a correct assumption? | 18:58 |
| cyberholic | dunno :( ... sorry i am not a pro in server-management. .... | 18:58 |
| jott | or this vga sdio thingie :) | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | I actually use penguinbaits version so I'm not really acquainted with Mike's port | 18:59 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Are your tablet and PC connected to the same LAN or are you trying to connect over the Internets or something? | 18:59 |
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| cyberholic | they are on the same LAN. I am in front of my router settings--virtual-servers and it asks me for a public and a private address *?* | 19:00 |
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| pope523 | cyberholic: If both machines are on the same LAN, you don't need to do anything to your router. Port forwarding should be unnecessary | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | @cyberholic Which router do you have? | 19:00 |
| cyberholic | acer | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | @pope, my netgear still makes me forward on the same lan :( | 19:01 |
| cyberholic | but it is a W-LAN connection, does that matter? | 19:01 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Are you trying to connect to your PC by entering it's IP or it's name? | 19:01 |
| cyberholic | the IP | 19:01 |
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| pope523 | qwerty12: Really? There's a firewall between your LAN clients? | 19:01 |
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| cyberholic | my mum is between my LAN clients :( | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | pope523: yep :(. I cannot disable it | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | Unless I telnet into it and hack with iptables | 19:02 |
| pope523 | qwerty12: That seems sort of bizarre to me | 19:02 |
| cyberholic | i can not disable my mum too *:( | 19:02 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: MOST routers, your WLAN clients and ethernet clients on the Private side are on a single subnet and not isolated from each other | 19:02 |
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| pope523 | cyberholic: That should mean no forwarding is necessary | 19:03 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Can you ping your PC from your tablet? | 19:03 |
| cyberholic | pope: thanks! when i check the VNC icon, it tells me my IP 192.168 etc.... i thought that all i needed was to enter that IP on my device when asked for VNC Server | 19:03 |
| vivijim | hey jott, where are your linux-omap patch? The requested URL /rotate/Updated_blizzard_rotation_support.diff was not found on this server. | 19:03 |
| pope523 | Ah, you were entering the IP for your tablet? | 19:03 |
| vivijim | s/are/is | 19:04 |
| cyberholic | no, i was entering the IP showing on my WinXP inside the "VNC server" dialog of my n800. | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | Is it working now ? :) | 19:04 |
| cyberholic | nope | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | :(, damn lol | 19:05 |
| cyberholic | :) | 19:05 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Do you know how to ping? | 19:05 |
| cyberholic | yep | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | Restart your N800 and run x11vnc.sh from terminal on N800 please | 19:05 |
| cyberholic | well... could you tell me the exact ping command | 19:05 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Try to ping the IP shown on the VNC icon on your PC | 19:05 |
| pope523 | qwerty12: He's trying to use the VNC client on the tablet, I thought | 19:06 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: ping <ip address> | 19:06 |
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| qwerty12 | I'm confused, I thought he wanted to run server on tablet and connect from computer | 19:06 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Are you trying to see your PC from your tablet, or see your tablet from your PC? | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | cyberholic: any chance of clearing this up? :P :D | 19:06 |
| cyberholic | pope: you are correct! i am using the VNC Viewer on n800. And then i installed VNC on my WinXP. And i want to see my tablet on my WinXP... sorry for my bad english explanation :) | 19:06 |
| qwerty12 | Wrong way round it seems to me. | 19:07 |
| pope523 | You want to see and control the tablet, from your Windows XP desktop. | 19:07 |
| cyberholic | ping works correctly. | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | If you want to see tablet on pc, then you install server on N800 and client on XP :) | 19:07 |
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| cyberholic | poe: yes correct | 19:07 |
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| qwerty12 | If you want to see XP on tablet, server on pc and client on N800 | 19:07 |
| cyberholic | qwerty: ARGH... i am such an idiot! that could it be! | 19:08 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: On the PC, did you install the VNC Client AND Server? | 19:08 |
| cyberholic | pope: yep | 19:08 |
| desertc | Everywhere I take my N800, people are always asking me about it and wanting to buy one. It's so terrific to see Linux and Free Software driving such an obviously effective device. | 19:08 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: On the N800, have you installed the x11vnc package? | 19:08 |
| cyberholic | desertc: then you have a new reason to show them how cool it can be: check out my new project at www.mojocafe.de | 19:08 |
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| cyberholic | pope: not yet... | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | mojocafe pwns :) | 19:09 |
| cyberholic | :) | 19:09 |
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| pope523 | cyberholic: Ok, install x11vnc | 19:09 |
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| pope523 | It is the VNC server for the n800 | 19:09 |
| cyberholic | pope: can i install it through the garage? | 19:09 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: I do believe so | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | Nah the link I gave http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 19:09 |
| qwerty12 | x11vnc isnt in garage | 19:09 |
| desertc | hehe - used a lot of flash - and I just use Gnash on my desktop. The new features in Flash (action script 3) do not work for me. | 19:09 |
| cyberholic | qwerty: thnx. | 19:09 |
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| cyberholic | pope: let me guess your answer to "how can i thank you". Answer: "3 times Ave Maria and 2 times praying to Santo Domingo!" ;) | 19:10 |
| pope523 | qwerty12: On the contrary :) https://garage.maemo.org/projects/x11vnc/ | 19:10 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Hah | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | Oh my bad >.<, thanks :) | 19:11 |
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| qwerty12 | Same deb file though :) (I must make my comeback :P :D) | 19:11 |
| pope523 | :) | 19:11 |
| cyberholic | touche! | 19:11 |
| cyberholic | touché i mean. | 19:11 |
| desertc | cyberholic: Okay, the web page works on my N800. It brings me to a login prompt. What now? | 19:11 |
| cyberholic | desertc: you have to visit the page with your desktop PC first and add some Mojos aka applets to your profile. | 19:12 |
| cyberholic | Then visit the page on your device and start the widgets. | 19:12 |
| desertc | cyberholic: I guess I am stuck without access to Adobe's Flash. There's no version for 64-bit linux. | 19:12 |
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| cyberholic | desertc: correct.... that's sad. | 19:13 |
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| cyberholic | desertc: If you want to know what you are missing: http://www.mojocafe.de/blog ..... but there are more then 30 Mojos aka appletts available. | 19:13 |
| desertc | no Adobe Flash for 64-bit Windows either, not that I care. | 19:13 |
| desertc | cyberholic: So Mojocafe is access to a bunch of Flash widgets? | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Very good looking ones :D | 19:15 |
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| pope523 | That are specifically designed to run on the Nokia IT's | 19:15 |
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| desertc | Speaking of Flash - does anyone else have the issue of YouTube videos playing such that the video does not catch up with the audio? | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | I believe Flash on Linux has problems anyway :( | 19:15 |
| pope523 | Lots of problems | 19:15 |
| cyberholic | desertc: yeah. You choose them on your desktop PC and add them to your profile. Then you start them on your device and have some kind of "full screen screensaver" while your device is on your desk, shelf, table or whatever. This way you can have, for example, the NY Times Worldnews in fullscreen readable. | 19:16 |
| qwerty12 | I was on a page and you wont believe the slowdown my firefox went through. In XP MCE, it works fine :( | 19:16 |
| desertc | maybe Maemo could throw their support behind Gnash - or that other Flash alternative (forget the name) | 19:16 |
| ||cw | desertc: all the time, on various desktops too | 19:16 |
| desertc | cyberholic: nice! | 19:17 |
| pope523 | desertc: I'm sure there's a petition somewhere. The N800 would be terrible useful for video blogging if the who Flash/video4linux thing worked right | 19:17 |
| cyberholic | Thats why i am trying to start up VNC - i want to make an introduction Video of this service. | 19:17 |
| desertc | oh, the other GPL flash player alternative is called, "Swfdec", which some consider more useful | 19:17 |
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| qwerty12 | pope523: To say you aren't as good as linux as windows, your knowledge surprises (in a good way :)) me | 19:18 |
| cyberholic | pope & qwerty: that is strange! i start x11vnc but nothing happens :( | 19:18 |
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| pope523 | cyberholic: No, it started | 19:18 |
| qwerty12 | It's not meant to say anything on the tablet itself | 19:18 |
| cyberholic | ah ok. thankx. | 19:19 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Now find the Ip for your tablet | 19:19 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: And try to connect to it | 19:19 |
| pope523 | qwerty12: I've done a lot of reading to find out why I can't do the things I want to with Linux :) | 19:19 |
| cyberholic | that reminds me of ....*i should layout a IP MOJO* | 19:19 |
| pope523 | qwerty12: Like why there is no way to record video from the n800 that will play right anywhere else without transcoding | 19:19 |
| qwerty12 | Ahh I see :), cool :) | 19:20 |
| cyberholic | can i use the ping comand on my tablet somewhere like xterminal? | 19:20 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Yes, but that won't tell you your tablet's IP and that's what you need at the moment | 19:20 |
| desertc | Had some Apple iPhone guy explaining to me why his closed, proprietary device was better because he could enlarge photos with the two-finger touch screen. I was like -- but I don't look at photos with my N800... ? :) | 19:20 |
| cyberholic | ah ok.... whatsmyip.com? | 19:20 |
| pope523 | cyberholic, probably not | 19:21 |
| pope523 | cyberholic That would probably give you your router's public IP | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | @cyberholic Run ifconfig | grep inet | 19:21 |
| cyberholic | pope: correct! | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | on your tablet | 19:21 |
| cyberholic | qwerty: i am running! lol. | 19:21 |
| cyberholic | where can i run that? | 19:21 |
| ||cw | isn't ehre still a home screen plugin for that? | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | iphome | 19:21 |
| qwerty12 | @cyberholic in terminal :) | 19:22 |
| ||cw | yeah | 19:22 |
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| DaniloCesar | ||cw, yes | 19:22 |
| cyberholic | is that an app? | 19:22 |
| ||cw | so... | 19:22 |
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| jku | no ifconfig in default install | 19:22 |
| jku | why don't you check the connection manager UI? | 19:22 |
| DaniloCesar | /sbin/ifconfig | 19:22 |
| jku | not there | 19:22 |
| cyberholic | iphome not found :) | 19:22 |
| pope523 | le sigh | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | It is installed on my OS2008 and I didnt install any extra wireless tools but do what jku says :) | 19:22 |
| pope523 | It shouldn't be this hard | 19:22 |
| qwerty12 | jku is right, check the connection manager | 19:23 |
| DaniloCesar | jku, impossible... I used it yesterday | 19:23 |
| cyberholic | so my friends: xterminal is open, what shall i enter in there? | 19:23 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Still trying to agree on that :) | 19:23 |
| cyberholic | :) | 19:23 |
| qwerty12 | @cyberholic, go to applications, settings, connection manager, internet connecion , ip address | 19:23 |
| jku | qwerty12, bloody hell you're right, I must have checked /usr/sbin | 19:24 |
| desertc | Why doesn't Maemo come with OGG codec support, by default? | 19:24 |
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| DaniloCesar | jku, I did the test right now... /sbin/ifconfig exists | 19:24 |
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| cyberholic | qwerty: CORRECT! got it! | 19:25 |
| jku | DaniloCesar, like I said I was wrong | 19:25 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: You're almost there :) | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Cool, thanks to jku for the idea :D | 19:25 |
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| pope523 | cyberholic: Now put THAT IP into VNC on your desktop | 19:25 |
| qwerty12 | Shows how much I use the program... | 19:25 |
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| jku | :) | 19:25 |
| cyberholic | so does that mean that the server is already running? | 19:25 |
| DaniloCesar | jku, Sorry, I didn't read it... | 19:25 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: That doesn't mean the server is running | 19:25 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: But if you clicked on the x11vnc icon, the server should be running | 19:25 |
| jku | desertc, it has to be a (perceived) legal problem | 19:25 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Click it once, started it. Click it a second time stops it. | 19:26 |
| cyberholic | pope: how can i check if it is running? | 19:26 |
| desertc | jku: The OGG project was created just for the reason to avoid (perceived) legal problems. | 19:26 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Try to connect to it :) | 19:26 |
| cyberholic | lol | 19:26 |
| jku | desertc, the ogg-bug is the most voted for bug in the bugzilla (twice the amount of votes than the next one).. | 19:26 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: If it doesn't connect, click it again and try to conect again | 19:26 |
| cyberholic | pope: i got a bomb here. Red or Blue wire? | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Both. Goodbye. | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | :p | 19:27 |
| cyberholic | LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL | 19:27 |
| pope523 | heh | 19:27 |
| pope523 | I was trying to come up with a color-blind joke | 19:27 |
| jku | desertc, the foundation doesn't do anything against submarine patents, AFAIK | 19:27 |
| cyberholic | does not work yet :( | 19:27 |
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| cyberholic | shall i uninstall VNC client from my device? | 19:28 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Click the x11vnc icon and try connection again | 19:28 |
| desertc | Insanity. | 19:28 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: You can, but it's not necessary to uninstall it | 19:28 |
| cyberholic | pope: you mean the connection from winXP, correct? | 19:28 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Correct | 19:28 |
| pope523 | pope523: After clicking on the x11vnc icon on your tablet | 19:28 |
| pope523 | Talking to myself again | 19:28 |
| desertc | Since all my audio/video media is in OGG format, Is this the recommended way to get OGG support? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ogg/ | 19:29 |
| qwerty12 | I believe it is the only way. Unless you want to use xmms | 19:29 |
| desertc | ty | 19:30 |
| qwerty12 | np :). You dont use SIP/Voip by any chance do you? | 19:30 |
| desertc | I do - all the time | 19:30 |
| desertc | That's my primary use of my N800 | 19:31 |
| qwerty12 | That package is reported to break it | 19:31 |
| desertc | :( | 19:31 |
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| qwerty12 | I think try xmms then | 19:31 |
| Robot101 | you can probably work around it by erasing the speex codec | 19:32 |
| Robot101 | if you just want vorbis support | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892 | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | But warning, its not really maemo friendly | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | I only use it for A2DP support | 19:32 |
| Robot101 | install that one and delete /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstspeex.so | 19:32 |
| desertc | What about the Kilkali media player I used in OS2007 | 19:32 |
| qwerty12 | It exists for OS2008 but I never personally used it so I wouldnt know | 19:33 |
| desertc | I do a lot of work with Speex libraries in Debian / Ubuntu, so I would be reluctant to remove it. | 19:33 |
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| Robot101 | well, do you on your tablet? | 19:34 |
| Robot101 | I think the problem there is just that speex's RTP payloader/depayloader is broken in the version shipped in OS2008 | 19:34 |
| Robot101 | so if you add the speex codec, it tries to use it for your calls, then totally fails | 19:34 |
| Robot101 | "This is not a speex file!" -> splat | 19:35 |
| Robot101 | its fixed upstream in gstreamer so should work now | 19:35 |
| cyberholic | PEOPLE I MUST INFORM YOU ABOUT THE FACT.......... THAT I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE YOU! | 19:35 |
| Robot101 | (with a newer gst version, but don't try and upgrade your device) | 19:35 |
| zuh | desertc: Kilikali depends on the ogg support package | 19:35 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: Is it working? :) | 19:35 |
| cyberholic | nope *im such a liar* | 19:35 |
| zuh | desertc: or not "depends" but "depends for ogg support" :) | 19:35 |
| pope523 | cyberholic: But are you lying now, or were you lying before? | 19:36 |
| desertc | zuh: I understand, thanks for the info | 19:36 |
| cyberholic | yeah it works. pope and qwerty: in case you would like to, send me a logo or picture and i will make a Mojo for each one of you. mail is cyber AT cyberholic DOT de | 19:36 |
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| qwerty12 | cyberholic: Thank you :), but I'm not artistic so I wouldn't have anything to send in :D | 19:37 |
| cyberholic | You are welcome whenever you want:) | 19:37 |
| qwerty12 | Thank you :) ^-^ | 19:38 |
| desertc | Do you have a link to the "bug" for requesting OGG support in Maemo ? | 19:39 |
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| zuh | desertc: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2811 | 19:39 |
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| zuh | desertc: That's the bug for the broken VOIP | 19:39 |
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| zuh | No comments from anyone but Tuomas so far... | 19:39 |
| jku | desertc, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 | 19:40 |
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| desertc | jku: Thanks - just what I was seeking. Do you have info on the potential breaking of VoIP application with the OGG package installed? | 19:41 |
| zuh | Glad to see people opting out due to missing OGG support, vote with your feet! :) | 19:41 |
| jku | desertc, sorry, no idea | 19:41 |
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| fugitivo | hello | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | Is pupnik around? If so, I would like to say thank you :). Your Super Mario War port works fine on N800 OS2008. I have to run it with "smw" from xterm, I will make a desktop file. | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | hellp | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | *hello | 19:46 |
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| fugitivo | is any way to not switch off display when the device is charging? | 19:48 |
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| Mousey | yes | 19:49 |
| qwerty12 | You can set in control panel. | 19:49 |
| Mousey | control panel -> display -> stays lit -> only when charging | 19:49 |
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| cyberholic | i want to make a video screencap for mojocafe.de ... do you consider me using any other software then WINK for doing that? | 19:52 |
| qwerty12 | Theres an opensource one for Windows but I forgot name | 19:52 |
| cyberholic | WINK :) | 19:53 |
| qwerty12 | Something else ;) :P. Unless they changed name | 19:53 |
| cyberholic | ah yes, you are right... they changed it because they were sold to a mayor player.... sorry, my fault. you are totally corrrrrrrect. | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamStudio | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | Thats the one I was thinking of :) | 19:54 |
| Veggen | I still sort of hate flash. | 19:54 |
| Veggen | it's not that open. | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | Ahh yes, I see | 19:55 |
| Navi | Flash sucks | 19:55 |
| Veggen | and I prefer to try to find alternatives if there are, and not encourage *more* usage of flash. | 19:55 |
| cyberholic | Yes, Flash sucks .... a lot of power resources :) .... but in terms of entertainment its awesome | 19:56 |
| jku | that hate is so deeply rooted that it would be hard to drop, even if all flash content was miraculoulsy nice and easy to use and flash was open | 19:56 |
| Veggen | I realize that there can be useful flash applications, but for example flash for stylish navigation just plain sucks. | 19:56 |
| Navi | I'd even prefer asvg over flash | 19:56 |
| Veggen | jku: nope, not really. | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | I like flash. On my W810, we have flash lite and in the modder community, many people make great flash menus | 19:56 |
| fugitivo | ok, how to do that using code? | 19:56 |
| Veggen | flash menus? what's the *use* of that? | 19:56 |
| qwerty12 | Fun :D | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | On Sony Ericsson, normal menu isn't much | 19:57 |
| MangoFusion | usability improvements | 19:58 |
| MangoFusion | :) | 19:58 |
| Veggen | qwerty: well, I still do prefer that it's accessible to anyone anywhere instead of it looking fancy. that's the root of my dislike of flash. | 19:58 |
| qwerty12 | Veggen: I see what you mean. I think if Linux flash was better, it would be nicer. | 20:00 |
| smackpotato | i hate flash unless there is a video to be displayed | 20:00 |
| Veggen | qwerty: This isn't about linux either, really. What about the BSDs? | 20:00 |
| Navi | BSDs have a flash build as well | 20:01 |
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| Navi | they're all equally bad | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | Veggen: I guess I don't really regard BSD much. Don't get me wrong, I like it but I think Linux is a bit more known. | 20:01 |
| Veggen | qwerty: Making more proprietary/non-open-source implementations doesn't help all that much. I'd like it more if they made available an open source reference implementation of a client. | 20:02 |
| jku | and think about accessibility in a larger sense: web maybe bad, but flash is totally useless in that regard | 20:02 |
| desertc | I talked with Nokia's technical support, and they said I should post my question on the Nokia Forums. I got directed to this link: http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/platforms/maemo/ But I don't see a message forum for users. | 20:02 |
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| desertc | Should I post in the "Forum for maemo developers" ? | 20:02 |
| sp3000 | depends | 20:03 |
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| Veggen | qwerty: Don't get me wrong - I do realize that there might be proper usages for flash - but stylish navigation isn't good enough reason imho. | 20:03 |
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| sp3000 | "potential breaking of VoIP application with the OGG package installed?" | 20:04 |
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| * sp3000 ahs a vague recollection of something like that, yes | 20:04 | |
| desertc | sp3000: yes, that and my request that maemo have OGG support integrated by default. | 20:04 |
| qwerty12 | Veggen: :). I agree with what you are saying, and I can see what you mean. But for me, on devices where it works, I don't really have a problem with it. I wish it was more open though. | 20:05 |
| Veggen | wasn't there some patent-minefield-fears that was cited as reason for not supporting OGG, last time it came up? | 20:05 |
| desertc | sp3000: OGG is a common format, and all my music is in OGG Vorbis format. It should not be a fight to get this working, or cause problems with VoIP apps. I bought the device primarily for VoIP, web browsing, and OGG support. | 20:05 |
| Veggen | qwerty: but that's my point. On the open web, you can never be sure what devices it's accessed with. | 20:06 |
| sp3000 | desertc: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/01/24/ogg-support-issues/ | 20:06 |
| desertc | Veggen: The OGG project was created just to avoid patent minefields. I can't imagine there are more patents with OGG than MP3 | 20:06 |
| Veggen | desertc: I know, but I still think I saw a thread somewhere about that. | 20:06 |
| desertc | Yet the maemo supports MP2, MP3, and MP4 even with all the patents surrounding them. | 20:06 |
| fysa | Perhaps they are defensive. ;) | 20:06 |
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| desertc | sp3000: thanks for that link I was seeking | 20:07 |
| jku | desertc, Nokia no doubt pays through the nose for the mp3 patents... | 20:09 |
| Veggen | very likely, yes. | 20:09 |
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| desertc | Perhaps, they believe they are 'safe' by paying for codecs with patents, than not paying for codecs which were designed to be royalty-free. | 20:10 |
| Veggen | desertc: I think sound encoding is a patent minefield in general. | 20:11 |
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| desertc | Nokia had no trouble using Speex codecs, though. | 20:12 |
| jku | _if_ it is a legal threat they are afraid of, they probably have details we don't... | 20:12 |
| Navi | My music collection is transcoded FLAC -> AAC | 20:12 |
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| Veggen | desertc: So it's perceived better to pay for something you know the risk of, or you think you do, than something where someone is lying around with submarine patents waiting to surface whenever it's gained support. | 20:12 |
| Veggen | It sucks, I know. | 20:12 |
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| desertc | Related to bug 2811, why would loading OGG codecs corrupt the API between Google Talk and Speex ? | 20:13 |
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| kulve | I believe some parts try to use speex but the engine doesn't support it after all (or decides not to even try) | 20:14 |
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| desertc | The package maintainer says, " | 20:17 |
| desertc | The ogg-support is listed as the The Pearl for OS2008, thanks! :)" What do you think he meant by The Pearl ? | 20:17 |
| kulve | see maemo.org/downloads | 20:18 |
| desertc | kulve: Are you Thomas Kulve ? | 20:18 |
| desertc | Heh. | 20:18 |
| kulve | yes, Tuomas ;) | 20:18 |
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| desertc | So this is your package. !! | 20:19 |
| zuh | kulve: just think how many devices you broke VoIP in by being the "perl" ;) | 20:19 |
| kulve | zuh: I'm not the one who did buggy code ;) | 20:19 |
| kulve | (I hope) | 20:19 |
| desertc | Who did the code? | 20:19 |
| Veggen | broke voip? not *my* voip. my voip is the rtcomm beta with SIP towards my own Asterisk. | 20:19 |
| kulve | desertc: Nokia | 20:19 |
| fugitivo | anyone tried Navit? | 20:20 |
| Robot101 | kulve: and us... :) | 20:20 |
| cyberholic | desertc.... you want to see some screenshots of the weather Mojo on my device? | 20:20 |
| kulve | (I'm referring to the media engine) | 20:20 |
| Veggen | works fine even with ogg codecs installed. | 20:20 |
| desertc | kulve: Nokia wrote the OGG codec code?! | 20:20 |
| Robot101 | kulve: the media engine isn't used for VOIP, the telepathy stream engine is | 20:20 |
| qwerty12 | Woah, libnotify overload >.< :P | 20:20 |
| Robot101 | it's not the thing at fault as I explained above | 20:20 |
| kulve | Veggen: have you tried with both sides having the speex support | 20:20 |
| Robot101 | it's because the RTP payloader/depayloder in GStreamer is buggy | 20:20 |
| Robot101 | for speex | 20:20 |
| Veggen | kulve: mmm, nope. | 20:21 |
| kulve | Robot101: really? Feel free to comment on the bug (when b.m.o works again) | 20:21 |
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| Robot101 | so if you add speex plugins to the device, it gets picked up automatically, then if it tries to use it the call fails | 20:21 |
| Robot101 | that's likely to be the reason anyway | 20:21 |
| desertc | ooooh... so the Speex plugins are not there by default? | 20:21 |
| zuh | Robot101: So if the plugins were fixed it would actually work? | 20:22 |
| kulve | desertc: yep, they aren't | 20:22 |
| Robot101 | oh, there are two problems actually | 20:22 |
| Robot101 | it might not even get to the broken payloader | 20:22 |
| cyberholic | desertc: here you go: http://www.mojocafe.de/pr/weather01.jpg and from a different angle at http://www.mojocafe.de/pr/weather02.jpg | 20:22 |
| desertc | cyberholic: thank you | 20:22 |
| desertc | cyberholic: that's hot | 20:22 |
| cyberholic | desertc: *gg* | 20:23 |
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| qwerty12 | @cyberholic, I like it :) | 20:23 |
| Veggen | what's mojocafe supposed to do if you access it from your PC, btw? | 20:23 |
| cyberholic | thnx... i have just realized that the clocks do not work correctly.... its midnight at the moment... *not* | 20:23 |
| Veggen | and by PC, do you mean Windows PC? (cause I don't have that) | 20:23 |
| desertc | it makes me so sad to see nokia failing to adopt these open standards | 20:23 |
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| kulve | Robot101: do want to tell what's the other problem? | 20:24 |
| desertc | would it help them if someone actually sold them licenses for Speex and OGG Vorbis? | 20:24 |
| Robot101 | kulve: yeah, sorry, was just chatting about it with one of our guys | 20:25 |
| kulve | Robot101: take your time :) | 20:25 |
| Robot101 | kulve: it's because the speex codecs get selected, but there's no alsasrc/alsasink on the device, so it fails to build the pipeline | 20:25 |
| * zuh is still amazed how the conic library hasn't got a clear "is this thing on?"-call | 20:25 | |
| kulve | Robot101: uhm, why does it care about which audio sink there is..? | 20:26 |
| Robot101 | kulve: because the other codecs (the ones on the DSP) don't need a source/sink, so at the moment one isn't set... | 20:26 |
| Robot101 | kulve: the problem is, it's not very easy to fix - if we put in eg the dsp PCM source/sinks, or the esd source/sinks, then it will fail to build the pipeline because it would try to link two sinks together or something... :S | 20:27 |
| Robot101 | (for all of the DSP codecs, so it would fix speex, but break it in all cases where speex is not negotiated) | 20:27 |
| jku | zuh, the connection-event -signal is practically the same thing as it fires an initial event when you connect. Weird, but works | 20:27 |
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| zuh | jku: But I specifically do *not* want to connect. I just want to know if it's on or not. | 20:28 |
| kulve | zuh: haven't you read the tutorial? I think that's stated there.. | 20:28 |
| jku | right, just set "automatic-connection-events" and it works like that | 20:28 |
| jku | zuh the API is crazy but you can do what you want | 20:29 |
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| zuh | Heh, my complaint exactly was that there is no clear "is this thing on"-call ;) | 20:29 |
| zuh | Not that I couldn't do what I want | 20:30 |
| jku | D-Bus just works better with signals, have to give them that... It's still weird though | 20:30 |
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| qwerty12 | Can someone help me with scratchbox? I want to compile kernel and I need to download sources but when I do "apt-get update" I get http://pastebin.com/d385aa141 . But when I use CHINOOK_ARMEL target, apt-get update works fine. | 20:31 |
| qwerty12 | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html - I'm using this guide | 20:32 |
| Veggen | qwerty: fakeroot, perhaps? | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | I tried fakeroot too :( | 20:32 |
| pH5 | qwerty12: I just used the CHINOOK_ARMEL target | 20:33 |
| inz | zuh, "Using this flags means that if a connection isn't already established, the connection request will fail. " | 20:33 |
| zuh | Another thing they might want to mention there is that it expects the user of the library to set up the D-Bus message dispatching. But I guess "everybody uses libosso" or something... | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | @pH5, ok, thank you. I will try compiling tommorow. but now, I gtg. Bye all :) | 20:33 |
| inz | zuh, from the libconic documentation for CON_IC_CONNECT_FLAG_AUTOMATICALLY_TRIGGERED | 20:33 |
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| jku | zuhm that is truly weird | 20:34 |
| jku | zuh, even | 20:34 |
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| jku | a wrapper for a D-Bus api and I have to setup D-Bus... | 20:34 |
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| zuh | Actually it's worse. They handle all the details of the D-Bus connection, but using the lowlevel API so no glib mainloop integration kicks in (which would be even fair assumption). So if you didn't use dbus_g_get_bus() no events will ever come. | 20:36 |
| zuh | But I guess I should be coding against sillly API's instead of complaining about them ;) | 20:37 |
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| zuh | jku: Thanks for pointing that flag out, that'll do I suppose. | 20:38 |
| jku | that was inz :) | 20:38 |
| zuh | oh | 20:38 |
| inz | Three letter nicks are easy to mess up | 20:39 |
| zuh | damn all those three-lettered nicks...oh wait! | 20:39 |
| inz | zuh, obviously you can also call dbus_connection_setup_wit_g_main, but then you'd have to acquire the bus first in some other way | 20:39 |
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| zuh | ..and the API doesn't expose that | 20:40 |
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| jku | we should all use cryptographically strong nicks | 20:40 |
| inz | zuh, of course not, it's hidden implementation detail... ;) | 20:40 |
| zuh | jku: Mine is. It's really 8 letters long but I hide the last five | 20:40 |
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| geoffeg | I'm developing an application that uses network (a twitter client) but it appears that the scratchbox/xephyr environment doesn't support networking. Is that true? | 20:41 |
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| inz | jku, mine is random lenght and consists of random characters, what is cryptographically stronger than that? | 20:42 |
| zuh | geoffeg: No, networking should work just fine under scratchbox. | 20:42 |
| geoffeg | hmm | 20:43 |
| Veggen | hmm. nuts. I have a lousy nick-change-policy. haven't changed it for 17 years ;P | 20:43 |
| geoffeg | zuh: Is there anything I have to do to set up networking? | 20:44 |
| fugitivo | geoffeg: check your /etc/resolv.conf | 20:44 |
| Veggen | ...in scratchbox, of course. | 20:44 |
| geoffeg | it's set to 127.0.0.1 | 20:44 |
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| geoffeg | (the strange thing is that wget with a hostname (not an IP) worked fine inside the scratchboc | 20:45 |
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| zuh | geoffeg: This is probably what you are hitting: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html | 20:45 |
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| geoffeg | thanks, will try | 20:46 |
| geoffeg | zuh: hmm, that's the way it is in my nsswitch.conf | 20:47 |
| geoffeg | zuh: changing /etc/resolv.conf fixed it, thanks! | 20:48 |
| fugitivo | you're welcome | 20:48 |
| zuh | Yeah, the 127.0.0.1 is what is used on the device... I was about to point that out :) | 20:48 |
| geoffeg | yes, thanks fugitivo | 20:48 |
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| geoffeg | now to learn about the glib XML parser | 20:50 |
| Robot101 | kulve: you still there? | 20:51 |
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| Robot101 | kulve: you can work around by disabling speex in /etc/farsightgstcodec.conf | 20:51 |
| Robot101 | bah | 20:51 |
| kulve | /etc/farsight/gstcodecs.conf ? :) | 20:52 |
| Robot101 | I meant /etc/farsight/gst... but I can't type atm yeah :) | 20:52 |
| Robot101 | [audio/SPEEX] | 20:52 |
| Robot101 | id=-1 | 20:52 |
| Robot101 | that will disable speex | 20:52 |
| kulve | thanks, that's more clean way of disabling speex | 20:52 |
| Robot101 | its a shame the DSP codec support in farsight breaks the non-DSP codecs, but we never had a requirement to be able to mix them | 20:53 |
| Robot101 | we did actually try and push speex support onto the schedules, but it never got accepted as a feature thus far | 20:53 |
| Veggen | hmmm..anyone come across the sources for mediastreamer anywhere, btw? | 20:53 |
| kulve | Robot101: could you write your comments on the bug 2811 once b.m.o is working? | 20:55 |
| Veggen | I was trying to get it to use another interface than wlan0 when broadcasting for media servers. | 20:55 |
| Robot101 | gah | 20:56 |
| Robot101 | whats my bugzilla password :( | 20:57 |
| konttori | password | 20:57 |
| Veggen | ...because my home mediaservers is behind an openvpn-link that I bridge to, so in theory it should work if I only could convince it to use that interface instead/in addition :) | 20:57 |
| kulve | Robot101: it's in read-only mode now anyway.. | 20:58 |
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| Robot101 | ah, that'd be why I can't get it to mail me a password :D | 20:59 |
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| geoffeg | Is there anything I should know about the libxml2 that comes with OS2008? it doesn't have xpath disabled, right? | 20:59 |
| felipec | geoffeg: it probably has some stuff disabled, why? | 21:00 |
| geoffeg | hmm, ok, i'll check before i start writing a lot of code.. I was going to use Xpath to pull elements out of an XML document.. | 21:00 |
| kulve | felipec: feel free to read robot101's comments about bug 2811.. | 21:00 |
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| fugitivo | geoffeg: i'm using it to get data from HTML and works | 21:01 |
| geoffeg | awesome, XPath will be much easier than doing it with a SAX design.. thanks again fugitivo | 21:02 |
| Robot101 | kulve: I'm running with a bit of a high load average today, if you want to paste in my comments later feel free | 21:02 |
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| jku | geoffeg, yeah, xpath works fine | 21:05 |
| geoffeg | great, thanks | 21:06 |
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| kulve | Robot101: thanks, I'll do that | 21:11 |
| desertc | Robot101: When you say to change [audio/speex] , do you mean to add the line id=-1 or replace the existing line "clock-rate=16000" | 21:11 |
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| Robot101 | just add id=-1 to both [audio/speex] sections I think, it will disable speex | 21:12 |
| desertc | thanks | 21:13 |
| Tester_ | audio/SPEEX it should be | 21:13 |
| Tester_ | (but its probably case insensitive) | 21:13 |
| desertc | kulve: Can I ask you a question? How do you deal with the Speex library requirement for floating point calculations on the ARM processor? | 21:13 |
| Robot101 | Tester_: god damn it you've been here all along/ :P | 21:14 |
| kulve | I used --enable-armv5 or something like that (and integer-only optimizations) | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | desertc: compile with vfp | 21:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:14 |
| Tester_ | Robot101: yes ;) | 21:14 |
| kulve | KotCzarny: it's much faster without it | 21:14 |
| Tester_ | I'll comment on the bug | 21:14 |
| Robot101 | eeexcelent. | 21:14 |
| Robot101 | if we could make it work that'd be nice... :P | 21:15 |
| desertc | kulve: thank you | 21:15 |
| * pupnik_ waves a 'go open source dsp codec examples' sign from the sidelines | 21:15 | |
| Robot101 | do you think s-e creating the dsppcm{src,sink} elements will screw things? | 21:15 |
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| kulve | Tester_: ok, so I don't paste irc comments there :) | 21:15 |
| Robot101 | would probably be pretty easy to test | 21:15 |
| kulve | desertc: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/05/13/ogg-support-02-speex/ | 21:16 |
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| kulve | but those tests might not be very reliable.. | 21:16 |
| wom | is there some good documentation on python and hildon library. there are some brief descriptions but is there some API document or smthg? | 21:17 |
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| desertc | kulve: very interesting | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | kulve: these test were on the machine with rest of the libs compiled for vfp? | 21:19 |
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| KotCzarny | *tests | 21:20 |
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| kulve | KotCzarny: I think the rest aren't vfp but it shouldn't matter much as speex doesn't really use external libs, afaik | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | kilve: but switching between thumb and 32bit does, as you or your friend stated | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | somewhere | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | *kulve | 21:22 |
| kulve | ssvb said that the switching should be fast, but I really don't know what to believe about that (until somebody shows some benchmarking) | 21:22 |
| kulve | but now, bbl | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:22 |
| desertc | I would like to see a new 1-to-many VoIP application called "Mumble" packaged for Maemo, in the future. It will be appearing for the first time in the next Ubuntu release. It's stable (v1.1) and useful. Just mentioning it for you to check out. | 21:23 |
| desertc | I think we'll be hearing much more about the program as user adoption increases. | 21:24 |
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| desertc | It's an open source Teamspeak / Ventrilio | 21:25 |
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| Tester_ | arg.. the maemo bugs db is b0rked | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | still? | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:43 |
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| lopz | hi | 21:45 |
| desertc | hiya lopz | 21:46 |
| fugitivo | if anyone wants to try another gps application: http://www.tecdencia.net/navit/ | 21:47 |
| fugitivo | it uses vector maps (garmin included) | 21:47 |
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| Brains | Anybody played with the SDK on a machine that was somewhat lacking in the SDK's stated memory requirements? | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | like, n800 ? | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:48 |
| fugitivo | lol | 21:48 |
| * KotCzarny have compiled few smaller projects on n800 itself | 21:49 | |
| lcuk_2 | im sure it was you that warned me against that :P | 21:49 |
| lcuk_2 | i might b wrong tho | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | only if it's ran from internal flash :) | 21:50 |
| Brains | lol, no... I just have a dinky P3 laptop with 184MB of ram that I was thinking of using... Stated requirement is 256... | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | using mmc as a / will work fine | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | brains: as long you have swap there.. | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | and don't run firefox (; | 21:51 |
| lcuk_2 | is it simple booting my 810 from mmc then? | 21:51 |
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| lcuk_2 | ie, if i buy an extra card to fill my slot can i just use the whole 2 gb as primary file system | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 21:51 |
| lcuk_2 | is it messy? | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | not at all | 21:52 |
| lcuk_2 | and do i have lots to learn before i can attempt it? | 21:52 |
| kulve | lcuk_2: it's quite easy. I use the first partition as vfat for "normal" maemo use and the second partition for booting some other rootfs | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | there are howtos | 21:52 |
| * Brains will give it a try in the near future then... So he can get on to bugging the nice inhabitants here for info. | 21:52 | |
| kulve | lcuk_2: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs | 21:52 |
| kulve | lcuk_2: that's what I've used | 21:53 |
| lcuk_2 | i wouldnt want to add extra complexity - i have the (i think) 256 internal base flash. a 2gb internal data flash and a blank slot | 21:53 |
| f_mohr | how do you partition the internal card? i didnt find fdisk on the nokia? | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | sfdisk | 21:53 |
| Tester_ | kulve: maybe you want to overrride the gstcodecs.conf in the oggsupport postinst ? | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | but you can do it via usb too | 21:53 |
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| lcuk_2 | i would just fill the blank slot with a 2gb card (cheap and fast) | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | then just run cfdisk /dev/sda | 21:54 |
| lcuk_2 | thx kulve ill take a look | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | etc. | 21:54 |
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| KotCzarny | as a added bonus you won't have to umount it by hand | 21:54 |
| lcuk_2 | recovery from serious crash is then just a case of NOT booting the extra flash and letting the default flash run i gather? | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | and won't be limited to osk | 21:54 |
| kulve | Tester_: I need to do some hacks like that unless Nokia disables speex or fix the problem.. | 21:55 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:55 |
| kulve | lcuk_2: yep. And you can flash the original initfs back too | 21:55 |
| lcuk_2 | great :) i think ill pick up a flash asap then - whats the business with all this class 4 / 6 etc - should i watch out for anything specific? | 21:57 |
| Robot101 | kulve: well we've disabled it now, but whether we'll be allowed to push it into any OS release, we need to ask permission :) | 21:58 |
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| kulve | lcuk_2: the class number states the minimum write speed on MB/s | 21:58 |
| Robot101 | kulve: we can try and get it updated in the rtcomm beta | 21:58 |
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| f_mohr | i have a kingston 2g and a sandisk 8g .. both work fine | 21:59 |
| kulve | Robot101: I think it would be good. It's a bit annoying to think that the ogg-sypport breaks google talk on the device.. | 21:59 |
| f_mohr | (both micro in adapter) | 21:59 |
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| lcuk_2 | ok, there is a class 2 and a class 6 available with ~£1 difference - is it only speed thats different (both kingston) | 22:00 |
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| lcuk_2 | im not buying online though, so when i get to the shop and they offer me a class 2 should i be bothered? | 22:01 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/software.html New game added - Tower Toppler | 22:13 |
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| fugitivo | pupnik: all that is for the tablet? | 22:14 |
| pupnik | yes | 22:14 |
| fugitivo | ooo, nice work :) | 22:14 |
| pupnik | most are works in progress | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:15 |
| fugitivo | ultima works fine?? | 22:15 |
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| pupnik | i need to make a page with links to 'finished' ones | 22:15 |
| desertc | So - I am trying to either edit /etc/farsight/gstcodecs.conf to disable Speex or delete the Speex libraries. Is there any way to do either task without enabling R&D mode and installing SSH? | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik or **** rating system | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | and a legend | 22:15 |
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| KotCzarny | **** works pefect/hildonized | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | *** playable | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | ** works, but is problematic | 22:15 |
| KotCzarny | * not really works | 22:16 |
| thopiekar | wow.... does the ps.one emu works fine on the n8x0? | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | X - doesn't compile | 22:16 |
| pupnik | hehe | 22:16 |
| thopiekar | pupnik? | 22:16 |
| pupnik | the ps1 emu gets about 0.7-1.5 fps | 22:16 |
| lcuk_2 | Y - it compiled so i shipped it | 22:16 |
| pupnik | haha | 22:16 |
| thopiekar | is it playable? | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 22:17 |
| lcuk_2 | y | 22:17 |
| lcuk_2 | e | 22:17 |
| KotCzarny | 1fps can be named playable | 22:17 |
| lcuk_2 | s | 22:17 |
| thopiekar | or lagg thee sound too? | 22:17 |
| fugitivo | pupnik: dude, you saved my vacations | 22:17 |
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| desertc | pupnik: so nice Ur-Quan Masters has been ported. been waiting for it! | 22:17 |
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| pupnik | there are better ports for n800 right now - search itt forums | 22:18 |
| lcuk_2 | pupnik has been beavering away to give us playable software for a while and i aplaude his efforts :D | 22:18 |
| pupnik | mine will run fullspeed on n770 though | 22:18 |
| pupnik | *of UQM | 22:18 |
| pupnik | (when it's done :P) | 22:18 |
| pupnik | desertc: install ssh dude | 22:19 |
| fugitivo | snes9x + chronotrigger, did you try it? | 22:19 |
| desertc | pupnik: won't ssh server stay awake and drain my battery? :( | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | not that much | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | if it's not in use it doesn't do much | 22:19 |
| fugitivo | desertc: if you have os2008 ssh is a pain in the ass with that new wifi battery feature :) | 22:20 |
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| KotCzarny | wifi battery drain sux :/ | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | 1-2days with wifi on ~10 with wifi off | 22:21 |
| dragorn | if you manage to turn off the battery control on it, it sucks even worse | 22:21 |
| dragorn | and by "worse" i mean "2-3 hours" | 22:21 |
| dragorn | total life on a fully charged battery | 22:22 |
| dragorn | good times. | 22:22 |
| lcuk_2 | my wifi comes back to life | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | dragorn: nope | 22:22 |
| Mousey | yay offline mode | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | with 'moderate' power saving mode it's ~1-2 days | 22:22 |
| lcuk_2 | i disconnect and some time during the night it comes back to life | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | (unless you use tablet actively) | 22:22 |
| desertc | Mousey: good idea | 22:22 |
| dragorn | KotCzarny: er, "yup". When you disable power saving on the wifi device entirely, you get about 3 hours. | 22:22 |
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| KotCzarny | hehe | 22:22 |
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| dragorn | Granted, you need to work fairly hard at doing so with some of the power ioctls, but for extra fun, restoring the previous state doesn't work | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | but moderate pow-sav works nicely | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | even interactive ssh session is ok | 22:23 |
| fugitivo | not 100% | 22:23 |
| thopiekar | cu @ all | 22:23 |
| desertc | pupnik: I did a search on Google for the "ITT Forum" you mentioned, and all I got back were IRC logs of this channel where you mentioned it previously. :-D Do you have a link for it? | 22:23 |
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| lcuk_2 | internettabletalk | 22:24 |
| desertc | Thank you | 22:24 |
| lcuk_2 | maybe with an extra t | 22:24 |
| lcuk_2 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/ | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 22:24 |
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| lcuk_2 | doesnt anyone want to talk about their tables on the internet? | 22:25 |
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| cyberholic | i am back again and finally my clock-bug at some Mojos has been squished! | 22:28 |
| lcuk_2 | regarding the power saving, ive been running my test program with cpu on "ondemand" and it becomes easier to test (constantly faster) im gonna try running on the slower mode for normal operations and see how it copes | 22:28 |
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| cyberholic | AND: the Demo Mode now works! Visit www.mojocafe.de to test out 4 standard Mojos that i have choosen.... and please: visit it WITH YOUR DEVICE and not your desktop PC, otherwise you won`t see the login-window (unless you do not change your screen resolution to 800x480)... | 22:29 |
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| pto | hi all. Question on the N800. Is the USB port a master or a slave? | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | depending on the cable used | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | and software setting | 22:39 |
| pto | I need to control a USB slave from N800 | 22:39 |
| pto | KotCzarny: interesting | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | but by default it's a 'device' mode | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | (as opposed to 'host' mode) | 22:39 |
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| pto | KotCzarny: I need to make a custom cable - it is for controlling a FTDI USB->serial converter | 22:41 |
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| KotCzarny | not a problem i guess | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | ok, bbl | 22:41 |
| pto | KotCzarny: ca you give me some pointers on the SW part - i.e. setting it up the port as a host port | 22:42 |
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| jott | cyberholic: why don't you make a simple login/password registration without email fuss? i guess this would attract much more people.. | 22:43 |
| cyberholic | jott: but how do you want to save the profiles. I mean how do you want to save wich Mojo belongs to whom... | 22:45 |
| jott | to register just give name & password.. | 22:46 |
| cyberholic | profiles are saved in a SQL database; passwords in MD5 encryption and emails as simple VARCHAR. This way you can have your profile on any device that supports flash. | 22:46 |
| cyberholic | jott: ah ok.... correct. | 22:46 |
| cyberholic | but then i can not send out emails with bugs, new features etc. | 22:47 |
| jott | you are not allowed to do this by german law anyway :) | 22:47 |
| jott | (not without explicit permission at least) | 22:47 |
| cyberholic | correct, thats why it is deactviated at startup and after you login you have the option to check fo that. | 22:48 |
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| crashanddie | hmm... | 22:55 |
| crashanddie | Passwords in md5 encryption, that's pretty weak | 22:56 |
| crashanddie | well, weak in a paranoic way I guess | 22:56 |
| lcdd | no one is breaking encryption in the real world | 23:01 |
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| jott | no one ever broke my rot13! | 23:01 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'd always use sha1 with salt at least | 23:01 |
| crashanddie | In other news, I have a major problem, and I'd need some help | 23:02 |
| crashanddie | I can't install any kind of software anymore (not using the package manager anyhoo) | 23:02 |
| crashanddie | And I'd need some pointers in order to find out what's happened | 23:02 |
| crashanddie | the install is pretty much brand new, I broke my system a few weeks ago, after running apt-get upgrade, and just reflashed it... The only thing installed is the lcards theme | 23:03 |
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| crashanddie | When I try to install any package, when it gets to "Downloading xxxKb", it just says "failed to download ..." | 23:04 |
| crashanddie | anyone got a clue ? | 23:04 |
| jott | maybe you have fun with akamai servers? check if you can reach the repository url from the device | 23:05 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 23:06 |
| crashanddie | I should have stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list right ? | 23:06 |
| jott | well sources.list and/or sources.list.d/* | 23:06 |
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| crashanddie | i'm getting a reply from repository.maemo.org | 23:10 |
| crashanddie | I can't test from the tablet though, can't ping if not root | 23:10 |
| jott | well http is more important than ping :) | 23:11 |
| jott | maybe just use microb and surf to r.m.o | 23:11 |
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| crashanddie | jott, yeah, I have access to r.m.o in http | 23:12 |
| jott | hmm | 23:13 |
| crashanddie | jott, though, the weird thing is, it also happens when I'm trying on other repositories | 23:13 |
| crashanddie | jott, say, I tried to install vagalume, which has its own repository, no dice, fail at download too | 23:13 |
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| pupnik | i want bluetooth sunglasses with a monochrome terminal display | 23:14 |
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| glass | why monochrome | 23:15 |
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| jott | pupnik: amber would be nice :) | 23:15 |
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| pupnik | because the tech for this is monochrome | 23:16 |
| pupnik | yah | 23:16 |
| crashanddie | jott, got any clue ? Or should I just re-flash the whole thing ? | 23:17 |
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| crashanddie | jott, and see where I manage to go from there | 23:17 |
| aquatix | crashanddie: i might have the same issue | 23:18 |
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| aquatix | updated some things with apt-get and now the hildon updater says it fails every time | 23:18 |
| aquatix | didn't try installing something new yet though | 23:18 |
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| crashanddie | oh crap | 23:20 |
| crashanddie | I think I lost my usb cable | 23:20 |
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| aquatix | ouch | 23:21 |
| crashanddie | yeah, looks like it | 23:21 |
| crashanddie | And I don't have any spare micro usb cable | 23:21 |
| crashanddie | dammit | 23:21 |
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| aquatix | crashanddie: good luck | 23:24 |
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| wazd | goodnight all :) | 23:25 |
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| crashanddie | aquatix, found one :D | 23:26 |
| pupnik | http://www.rol.ru/pictures/it/news/slesar-1.jpg jott - there's an example of what i'm talking about | 23:26 |
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| pupnik | http://www.inition.co.uk/inition/guide_hmds_headup.htm | 23:26 |
| lcuk_2 | that guy in the nokia advert had one | 23:26 |
| lcuk_2 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/ | 23:27 |
| AStorm | hello | 23:27 |
| AStorm | do you know, where can i get abiword or such like for maemo? | 23:27 |
| AStorm | gnumeric i already have (works ok with minor annoyances) | 23:28 |
| AStorm | the Notes app produces documents in mad ugly html | 23:28 |
| lcuk_2 | is google broke again? | 23:29 |
| lcuk_2 | try here: http://www.indt.org.br/maemo/#abiword | 23:29 |
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| lcuk_2 | or any of these: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=maemo+abiword&btnG=Google+Search&meta= | 23:30 |
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| AStorm | lcuk_2, tried that repo search engine, botgt zilch | 23:30 |
| crashanddie | hey lcuk_2, how you doing ? | 23:30 |
| lcuk_2 | im gr8 thanks | 23:31 |
| AStorm | guessed incorrectly that Google wouldn't find anything either | 23:31 |
| crashanddie | I gotta say, < 20 secs for the flash image is pretty awesome ^^ | 23:31 |
| lcuk_2 | its not bad at all | 23:31 |
| AStorm | yup | 23:32 |
| lcuk_2 | so have you completely restarted everything? | 23:32 |
| lcuk_2 | im dreading doing it on mine | 23:32 |
| lcuk_2 | i dont think i could remember half the stuff ive changed | 23:32 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_2, yeah, just finished flashing it | 23:33 |
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| jebe | Is it possible to get push mail for n810 mail-software? | 23:34 |
| jebe | Or does claws mail have push mail? | 23:34 |
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| AStorm | lcuk_2, "incompatible package" | 23:35 |
| AStorm | jebe, afaicr it doesn't | 23:35 |
| AStorm | but minimail (or what's it called now) might have it | 23:35 |
| lcuk_2 | what is "push mail" is that like having your mailer warn you when you have a mail, or does it basically send a text to your phone? | 23:36 |
| lcuk_2 | when i leave google mail up it refreshes and lets me know ive got mail - on my 810 - is that being pulled or pushed or doesnt it matter? | 23:37 |
| lcuk_2 | astorm - im just trying myself | 23:37 |
| AStorm | lcuk_2, like blackberry | 23:37 |
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| AStorm | what you say is polled mail | 23:38 |
| AStorm | pushed - mail is sent to you by the server | 23:38 |
| AStorm | w/o requests | 23:38 |
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| AStorm | which should save battery on wifi and cash on gprs | 23:39 |
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| lcuk_2 | yes i hear about blackberries but never been inclined to see the difference between push and pull - if i get a mail when i have my device running, does it matter how it gets there - is there some magic involved which i am just not getting? | 23:39 |
| lcuk_2 | but on nokia i dont even have a cell | 23:39 |
| lcuk_2 | so nothing can be pushed at all | 23:39 |
| AStorm | ;P | 23:39 |
| lcuk_2 | my 810 is connected all day tho - nothing more than with a mobile phone connected all day | 23:40 |
| AStorm | :) | 23:41 |
| AStorm | I'm working on that too. | 23:42 |
| AStorm | signing up for the various campus wifis | 23:42 |
| AStorm | ok, now where do i get a working abiword package? | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | ok | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | so the bad news is | 23:43 |
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| crashanddie | even after reflashing my IT | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | I still can't install software | 23:43 |
| AStorm | that and qalculate are very wanted | 23:43 |
| lcuk_2 | astorm - theres a long discussion on it here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14821&page=11 | 23:43 |
| AStorm | (I'll check scratchbox out and the cross build devel) | 23:43 |
| lcuk_2 | silly me thought something would be nice and simple | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | I'm getting the feeling my internal memory card is burnt | 23:44 |
| lcuk_2 | crashanddie, dont do anything rash yet - it could be your local isp | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_2, it's not my ISP | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_2, I've tried from 3 different networks | 23:44 |
| lcuk_2 | you say it wont install anything - what have you done since flashing? | 23:44 |
| lcuk_2 | have you restored a backup? | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | lcuk_2, erhm... Add the wifi network, and changed the theme | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | nope | 23:45 |
| AStorm | i can do crosscompile me :) | 23:45 |
| lcuk_2 | downloaded theme? | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | nope, stock one | 23:45 |
| lcuk_2 | ok, does everything you try to install fail? | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | yeah, pretty much | 23:46 |
| pupnik | ah another one of my 'inventions' finds a manufacturer | 23:46 |
| lcuk_2 | "pretty much" - what does install, and what doesnt? | 23:46 |
| pupnik | http://www.vrealities.com/visiondome2.html | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | (didn't try everything in the list though, but for example, "camera" doesn't) | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | I'll try a few others | 23:46 |
| pupnik | projector + wide-angle optics + hemispherical dome | 23:46 |
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| lcuk_2 | keep with simple things first - if that still fails with everything, just try something simple from an actual .deb saved | 23:47 |
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| lcuk_2 | make it a bit bigger and you would feel like xavier | 23:47 |
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| wazd | Does anybody know how to create custom fullscreen keyboard layouts?) | 23:48 |
| AStorm | maybe the internal flash is full? | 23:49 |
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| FunkyPenguin | is it a known issue on n800 running os2007 that when you press the power key to bring up the lock menu it powers of straight away? | 23:49 |
| AStorm | wazd, I'd love to know that too | 23:49 |
| lcuk_2 | if you hold the power button it goes off - but all that is configurable in a file somewhere | 23:50 |
| AStorm | and do n810 keyboard layout too | 23:50 |
| FunkyPenguin | this started happening 2 days a go and is rendering the damn thing almost unusable | 23:50 |
| FunkyPenguin | lcuk_2: but normally you press it once to bring up the lock menu dont you? | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, /dev/mtdblock4 is at 100% usage | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, there's place everywhere else | 23:51 |
| AStorm | crashanddie, you fail | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, ? | 23:51 |
| AStorm | that device is i nternal 256 mb chip | 23:51 |
| wazd | I'm a bit tired of russian layout, that has no "plus" symbol but has totaly stupid spanish mirrored "?" and "!" ) | 23:51 |
| AStorm | used to install apps usuaally (w/o tricks) | 23:51 |
| zuh | inz: just FYI, I ended up doing it the easy way. Which is to patch microb-eal and ship my own. I get to decide which eal implementation to load since it's my custom UI :P | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, please type df in a console | 23:52 |
| AStorm | test... | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, tell me if /dev/mtdblock4 is 100% or not | 23:52 |
| wazd | zuh, you're creating custom UI for MicroB?) | 23:53 |
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| AStorm | one is | 23:53 |
| AStorm | (initfs, expected) | 23:53 |
| AStorm | the other is not | 23:53 |
| AStorm | /dev/mtdblock4 257536 220764 36772 86% / | 23:53 |
| zuh | wazd: I'm creating an web UI application which uses EAL, so sort of. It's not a _browser_ UI if that's what you mean. | 23:53 |
| AStorm | so I still have some free | 23:53 |
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| AStorm | have to remove some pointless stuff | 23:54 |
| wazd | zuh: ah :) Misundastood :) | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, my root is at 55% | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | initfs is at 100%, so that's normal | 23:55 |
| AStorm | ok, so enough space | 23:55 |
| AStorm | yup | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | I'm going to activate R&D mode and try to run fsck | 23:55 |
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| AStorm | good idea | 23:55 |
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| AStorm | have to readhowto on rr&d | 23:57 |
| AStorm | mode | 23:58 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, I used the flashing utility | 23:58 |
| crashanddie | AStorm, add --enable-rd-mode when flashing it | 23:59 |
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| AStorm | blah, I don't want to reflash | 23:59 |
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