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| lcuk | its all in the lcd driver, it just needs triggering | 00:00 |
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| KotCzarny | yes, but it needs a kernel patch to enable that ioctl | 00:00 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | not that i saw - when i was first looking i was playing with the omapfb code and randomly poking - i believe in amongst that i rotated the screen | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | i would trust more simple kernel patch than leaving kernel/fb at unknown state | 00:02 |
| lcuk | i would have to go over my notes and see but basically you send a rectangle of data and the correct bits it will display in the orientation and placement you say | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | it reverts at next refresh - you set the bit before sending it - its similar to the scaling hacks ive seen in sdl | 00:02 |
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| KotCzarny | my idea is: 'test it, use it, if enough people will report it working nokia will release updated kernel too' | 00:04 |
| lcuk | it will become useless anyway if xr&r gets into the kernel - cross your fingers and hope for nokia - the problem is that so far it only useful for *nothing* hildon doesnt fully support it yet | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: not true | 00:04 |
| KotCzarny | have you seen the vid? | 00:04 |
| briand | okay.. so, apparently the new Canola2 is out (beta6). The directions on the site clearly do not (or, in my case, did not) work... so, how do I get it? | 00:04 |
| lcuk | i thought hildon breaks still if you rotate it | 00:04 |
| jott | there are places where it breaks | 00:05 |
| lcuk | ie you cant get at everything and random things are off | 00:05 |
| jott | but reading/browsing/etc is fine | 00:05 |
| pupnik | evening :) | 00:05 |
| lcuk | yer - thought so jott - obviously its all fixable, but nokia have no reason to support it yet | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | 'features!' 'new!' | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:05 |
| lcuk | evening pup :) | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | it's basically free rotation, cpu cycles wasted | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | so why not use it | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | erm. 'no cycles wasted' | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:07 |
| Tama^2 | how about the refresh? | 00:07 |
| lcuk | i agree - but just because its free does not mean it adds value | 00:07 |
| briand | ah. nevermind. "Refresh Application List" first... now the beta6 shows up in the updates... | 00:07 |
| Tama^2 | does it 'tear' more when it is rotated? | 00:07 |
| lcuk | DMA operation from the controller - cpu isnt involved | 00:07 |
| lcuk | same amount | 00:07 |
| jott | lcuk: for me it adds value.. | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | and 'wow' value | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:08 |
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| jott | and the rotated fbreader is really fast :) | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | i really want it put in place because damn for the reader to read sideways will be a blessing - but from nokias pov its not essential - especially now they have a defined orientation based upon the keyboard | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | fbreader shouldnt be slower just because its rotated | 00:08 |
| lcuk | i know it is | 00:08 |
| lcuk | its even slow going backwards by pages - sometimes it can lock up for seconds at a time | 00:09 |
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| jott | and microb is nice too | 00:09 |
| jott | but i agree, the keyboard fixes the default orientation | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | if we are on about nokia developing something worthwhile, how about blasted support for the pvr | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | n800 is keyboardless | 00:09 |
| jott | but given that the rotation is done <1s you can flip as you like :) | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:09 |
| lcuk | jott, giz a linky please to the deb | 00:10 |
| jott | lcuk: well making maemo/hildon resolution independed is a major win | 00:10 |
| jott | http://sse2.net/rotate/ | 00:10 |
| lcuk | is it possible without the plugin | 00:11 |
| lcuk | can it be enabled (for instance) on aa sdl window with a hack? | 00:11 |
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| lcuk | or an x - xv panel | 00:11 |
| jott | well it uses the randr extension | 00:11 |
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| lcuk | which automatically scales etc - i think it is because i am certain i got it rotating by messing with omapfb | 00:12 |
| jott | look at the rotation source code.. i just put it on | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | no scaling | 00:12 |
| lcuk | i just noticed ;) | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | it just changes x root screen to 480x800 | 00:12 |
| jott | brb | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | and all rotating is invisible from app level | 00:12 |
| lcuk | yer kot - i know, but if i currently push an 800*480 xv window into a hildon x window which isnt fullscreen the 800*480 bits still go across but are scaled to fit automatically | 00:12 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: why don't you try it? | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | you know about xv/sdl more than me | 00:13 |
| lcuk | so - if i enable the rotation without changing anything else then i will get a stretched 480*800 screen | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | no | 00:13 |
| lcuk | thats what im gonna do right now... | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:13 |
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| lcuk | i just got the code so ill poke around and see | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | you get 480x800 pixels | 00:14 |
| lcuk | squashed into a normal hildon app window space | 00:14 |
| lcuk | hopefully... | 00:14 |
| lcuk | sideways | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | but still 1:1 pixel ratio | 00:14 |
| lcuk | no i dont | 00:14 |
| lcuk | lcd internally is in tv mode which scales any input to fit the defined area | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | you think at ioctl level | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | patch makes it invisible to user | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | x server changes res to 480x800 | 00:15 |
| lcuk | yes - i am thinking at app specific level and not trying to rotate other peoples programs, but in absense of official nokia fix it may be enough | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | the point of xrandr is to make rotating possible without a single line of the code changed for existing apps | 00:17 |
| lcuk | and anyway - specific programs MAY want a specific orientation - i know mine does | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | if you make your app capable of rotating in itself, sure, it will work too | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:17 |
| lcuk | yes :) | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | but that's additional work | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | good for you to have a code in case of porting it to something else | 00:18 |
| lcuk | so how else am i going to get rotation and test it with multiple people if they have to install a kernel mod? | 00:18 |
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| KotCzarny | kernel mod can be installed in 5 min | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:19 |
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| lcuk | its all academic anyway because i will be blitting text onto a screen one way or another | 00:19 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 00:19 |
| lcuk | and as for porting - if i end up on a device which doesnt have r&r, then what? | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | but consider microb.. ;) | 00:20 |
| KotCzarny | doing roation on app level means you will have to make changes to all apps you want to use | 00:21 |
| lcuk | please do - it works currently. how does it look rotated? is scrolling better? | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | xrandr way frees you from that | 00:21 |
| lcuk | is xrandr on 770? | 00:21 |
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| lcuk | how about on my pocket loox? | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | i don't have 770 | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | and pocket loox too | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:22 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, nap time | 00:25 |
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| lcuk | nite kot | 00:25 |
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| pupnik | haha if (!InitVideo()) erk(); | 00:27 |
| pupnik | 'erk'... | 00:27 |
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| Tama^2 | is that some kind of onomatopoeia? | 00:28 |
| pupnik | yeah like doh() | 00:28 |
| Tama^2 | but in which language? | 00:29 |
| pupnik | </homer> | 00:29 |
| jott | Tama^2: if in doubt ask urbandictionary.com :) | 00:29 |
| pupnik | english | 00:29 |
| Tama^2 | ok | 00:29 |
| Tama^2 | I will ask | 00:29 |
| Tama^2 | :P | 00:29 |
| jott | this site can be funny sometimes ;) | 00:29 |
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| pupnik | jott, bored? :) | 00:37 |
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| jott | pupnik: not atm - but it happens once in a while :) | 00:39 |
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| eichi | hello, is there a maemo calender that can be synct with an other linux application (notebook) without problems? no google stuff please | 00:39 |
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| pupnik | wow i'm getting less slightly less clueless and confused | 00:49 |
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| pupnik | eichi: pinlico, gpe | 00:49 |
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| eichi | pinlico? | 00:50 |
| jott | eichi: pimlico | 00:51 |
| jott | http://www.pimlico-project.org/ | 00:51 |
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| eichi | i use the gpe calender on maemo | 00:52 |
| eichi | but what can i use for laptop? | 00:52 |
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| jott | sorry, never seen a working sync solution :P | 00:55 |
| jott | atleast on gpl basis :) | 00:55 |
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| darx | does anybody know where the libflashplayer.so file is located under os2008? | 01:11 |
| darx | would it only work for the arm architecture? | 01:11 |
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| MangoFusion | xrandr + n800 = woo | 01:15 |
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| leo2007 | what's the best pim in n810? | 01:33 |
| pupnik | search internettablettalk.com forums | 01:34 |
| pupnik | gpe, pimlico perhaps? | 01:34 |
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| leo2007 | pupnik: thanks | 01:56 |
| leo2007 | Can anyone emacs user tell me the start up time for Emacs? | 01:56 |
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| genome4hire | With Canola, how do I tell it to download my podcasts to the external flash card? | 02:00 |
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| genome4hire | I've been getting a lot of "dangling symlink" errors when installing packages recently | 02:09 |
| genome4hire | anyone had these? | 02:09 |
| genome4hire | I just tried to install powerlaunch, and it's complaining about stuff in /etc/rc2.d | 02:10 |
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| Lateralus | Anyone have experience adding a daemon to the default runlevel? | 02:14 |
| pupnik | i think you just add a symlink in /etc/rc2.d but take that with grain of salt | 02:15 |
| Lateralus | My daemon will start from a terminal if I use /etc/init.d/daemon start, but it doesn't start when I turn on the device. I've used update-rc.d daemon defaults | 02:15 |
| Lateralus | pupnik, the symlinks exist | 02:15 |
| Lateralus | Some things like the dbus daemon might not be running yet, causing issues, I'll research how to specify to start my daemon after a few other things | 02:17 |
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| Lateralus | Ah, I see how. | 02:19 |
| Lateralus | update-rc.d -f daemon start 99 5 might help | 02:19 |
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| pupnik | does that do more than create the symlink to /etc/init.d/$script ? | 02:22 |
| Lateralus | appears it adds the numbers to the link name | 02:23 |
| Lateralus | s/it adds/to add/ | 02:23 |
| infobot | Lateralus meant: appears to add the numbers to the link name | 02:23 |
| Lateralus | ... | 02:23 |
| Lateralus | :p | 02:23 |
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| pupnik | main.cpp:800: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '.' token | 02:25 |
| pupnik | argh | 02:25 |
| Lateralus | hmm, making it start last didn't help | 02:26 |
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| Lateralus | s/^hmm/Test/ | 02:28 |
| Lateralus | oh well. | 02:28 |
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| Lateralus | Is anyone aware of a log I can check? | 02:31 |
| Lateralus | I don't see anything in /var/log/ etc | 02:31 |
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| pupnik | dmesg command | 02:32 |
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| Lateralus | pupnik, hmm, nada there. | 02:34 |
| Lateralus | didn't expect anything in that log, though | 02:34 |
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| pupnik | woohoo! compiled! | 02:47 |
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| Lateralus | Is anyone aware how the osso rss feed reader gets under the Internet menu? | 03:07 |
| Lateralus | I thought the symlink was supposed to determine where things show in the menu, but the /etc/others-menu on my device doesn't seem to correlate to the menu layout | 03:08 |
| Lateralus | eg, the rss feed reader is symlinked right under others-menu/ not in some internet subfolder or some such | 03:08 |
| KotCzarny | there's more to the menu than it meets the eye.. | 03:08 |
| Lateralus | I'm seeing that :p | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | available apps are extracted from /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 03:09 |
| Lateralus | I just want my app under the Internet menu, instead of Extras | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | ah | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | just settings for that | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | settings -> control panel -> panels -> organize | 03:10 |
| Lateralus | KotCzarny, they are, but the symlinks are supposed to determine where and in what order they show up | 03:10 |
| Lateralus | checking that out | 03:10 |
| Lateralus | KotCzarny, no way you know of to install in the correct place from the start? | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | yes, there is | 03:11 |
| KotCzarny | there was a command to insert into .deb | 03:11 |
| Lateralus | maemo-select-menu-location | 03:13 |
| Lateralus | excellent, thanks | 03:13 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 03:13 |
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| KotCzarny | wow | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | xrandr rocks :)) | 03:20 |
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| KotCzarny | xrandr -o inverted is nice for people using right thumb for navigation ;) | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | and mplayer seems to respect orientation | 03:27 |
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| jott | hm yeah i should integrate remapping of the dpad into the rotation applet | 03:28 |
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| KotCzarny | jott: good idea | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | 720x576 -> 360x288 | 03:30 |
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| KotCzarny | jott | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | erm. nvm | 03:34 |
| jott | hm? | 03:34 |
| jott | too late :) | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | i whink i need to flash updated kernel | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | jott: how about using xrandr command and not librandr? | 03:37 |
| jott | hm.. yeah i can put it on the site.. | 03:37 |
| * jott looks for the deb | 03:37 | |
| KotCzarny | having xrandr as a command is handy too | 03:38 |
| jott | yeah.. i used it for debugging :) | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | and that will free you from using libxrandr | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:38 |
| jott | well not very convenient in a everyday mobile usage :) | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | but for the scripts ;) | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | or debugging ;) | 03:39 |
| jott | yeah | 03:39 |
| jott | hold on i'll repackage it :) | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | no problem | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | just a note :) | 03:39 |
| jott | doesn't xrandr need libxrandr anyway? :) | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | ok, scratch that | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:40 |
| KotCzarny | but hmm | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | i didn't have to install libxrandr before | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | i presume it was installed | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | (with a x package) | 03:41 |
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| KotCzarny | lardman: do you have xrandr installed? | 03:43 |
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| KotCzarny | jott: yeah, i guess it's preinstalled with os2008 at least | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | (libxrandr) | 03:44 |
| jott | ok put an xrandr deb on http://sse2.net/rotate (and in the repo on the same location) | 03:48 |
| Jsn0327 | hey | 03:52 |
| Jsn0327 | anyone around? | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 03:52 |
| jott | no we are a big eliza botnet testframework | 03:52 |
| Jsn0327 | do you know if there is a way to keep the backlight on the keyboard illuminated ? | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer uses it for example | 03:54 |
| celesteh | how does the backlight on the keyboard illuminated remind you of your mother? | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | erm. sorry | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | it was for the screen | 03:54 |
| jott | celesteh: haha :) | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | but i guess there's a way for kb too | 03:54 |
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| Jsn0327 | the backlight on the keyboard only stays illuminated while you are using it so if your in a dark place and try to start retyping you hit wrong letters | 03:56 |
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| jott | Jsn0327: i usually just press the lower right shift key - there are very few application where it causes harm :) | 03:57 |
| KotCzarny | internal speakers could use some subwoofer magic | 03:57 |
| KotCzarny | 8) | 03:57 |
| KotCzarny | btw. using esd seriously lowers volume | 03:58 |
| KotCzarny | ie. killing esd and playing through alsa make a big difference | 03:58 |
| Jsn0327 | Good idea | 03:58 |
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| Jsn0327 | Does anyone know how to change the panel icons? i installed a theme but none of the icons changed to match the screenshots of the theme | 04:00 |
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| Tama^2 | have you tried restarting the device? | 04:01 |
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| Jsn0327 | not yet | 04:02 |
| KotCzarny | applying theme should do the trick? | 04:02 |
| Jsn0327 | i'm gonna reboot | 04:03 |
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| KotCzarny | jott: another thing to do after rotation: update wallpaper | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:05 |
| jott | KotCzarny: use a tiling wallpaper :) | 04:05 |
| KotCzarny | doesn't matter, it still will need updating | 04:06 |
| jott | no | 04:06 |
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| KotCzarny | well, i think i'll just stretch it to 800x800 | 04:06 |
| jott | http://sse2.net/rotate/shot00.png -> http://sse2.net/rotate/shot01.png | 04:06 |
| KotCzarny | (; | 04:06 |
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| KotCzarny | my status bar is full :) | 04:08 |
| KotCzarny | (and complete ;) | 04:08 |
| KotCzarny | rotate, cpu/mem, wifi, batt, hour, minute, brightness/volume | 04:09 |
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| jott | yeah brighntess/vol could be integrated in rotate or vice versa | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | and i don't like the idea that updating statusbar icon writes to disk | 04:10 |
| KotCzarny | ie. changing volume | 04:10 |
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| KotCzarny | stupid script | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | :/ | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | jott: btw. tiled is also flawed | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | if you look carefully you will see it | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | try setting this one: http://www.root2art.co.uk/backgrounds/img/root2art_optical_maths_pattern.png | 04:37 |
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| pupnik | heh sbemail... justification for new browser | 04:43 |
| bmidgley | jott: is the rotation page yours? | 04:43 |
| jott | bmidgley: yes | 04:43 |
| bmidgley | jott any chance you'd consider a more user-friendly dropdown, like http://www.xmission.com/~bmidgley/p1510/rotator.png | 04:43 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | no | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | i opt for leaving as it is | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 04:44 |
| jott | hmm maybe just add icons | 04:44 |
| jott | to the menu entries | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | it will need nokia mini icon with an arron | 04:45 |
| KotCzarny | arrow | 04:45 |
| KotCzarny | or simple line representing status bar location :> | 04:45 |
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| bmidgley | does "left" always mean the same thing or does it mean once more left from where you are? | 04:45 |
| KotCzarny | always same | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | it's relative to original state, not current | 04:46 |
| bmidgley | yeah, the icons have to be relative to current state to make sense | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | bmidgley: or have nokia picture | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | let me mockup.. | 04:46 |
| jott | and the same as xrandr status is :) | 04:47 |
| bmidgley | my scripts also use xrandr but there's a compute-the-change stage | 04:47 |
| bmidgley | (for ubuntu desktop) | 04:47 |
| jott | well the actual applet does only use libxrandr | 04:48 |
| jott | not the xrandr executable :) | 04:48 |
| jott | KotCzarny: yeah i see what you mean with the background image | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | jott: :) | 04:48 |
| jott | i wonder where the bug is | 04:49 |
| KotCzarny | it's because wallpaper is cut to current screen | 04:49 |
| jott | matchbox? | 04:49 |
| jott | xserver? | 04:49 |
| jott | hildon stuff? | 04:49 |
| jott | hmm :) | 04:49 |
| KotCzarny | don't know exactly | 04:49 |
| KotCzarny | but i suspect wallpaper applet | 04:49 |
| jott | i.e. tiling pre-computes a 800x480 image? | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | or 480x800 | 04:50 |
| jott | yeah atleast fixed to active resolution | 04:50 |
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| KotCzarny | depending what was current screen estate when setting background | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | so tile woul have to fit integer* for x and y | 04:51 |
| jott | good look we use open source and could find this out easily... WAIT this is NOKIA and hence closed source :) | 04:51 |
| ^JSN | how do you configure root so that you can a user can use sudo to run apps? | 04:51 |
| jott | luck | 04:51 |
| ^JSN | Mostly everything that i try to run using sudo says "user is not allowed to execute .... as root | 04:51 |
| jott | ^JSN: if you have a desktop linux with man page do "man sudoers" | 04:52 |
| ^JSN | man page? what is that | 04:53 |
| jott | hmm ok :) | 04:53 |
| ^JSN | i do have a desktop linux | 04:54 |
| ^JSN | i am currenly on kbuntu | 04:54 |
| ^JSN | i'm guessing that man page is a search engine for linux commands | 04:54 |
| jott | man pages are manuals for applications and apis etc | 04:54 |
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| ^JSN | whats the package name so i can download it | 04:55 |
| jott | in command line you could just type "man ls" to get help about ls | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | darn. battery empty | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | gotta recharge before mockup | 04:55 |
| ^JSN | cool it's built in | 04:55 |
| jott | ^JSN: there is "manpages" but many apps install own man pages | 04:55 |
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| jott | ^JSN: in kde you can also use konqueror to browse the pages .. just type "man:yourkeyword" in the location bar :) | 04:57 |
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| ^JSN | cool | 04:58 |
| ^JSN | do you know how to join a workgroup in ubuntu? The only option that i can find is domain | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | jott: tile has to be 160x160 | 04:58 |
| jott | KotCzarny: or 480x480 ? ;) | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | no | 04:59 |
| jott | or 80x80? :) | 04:59 |
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| KotCzarny | 80x80 will do | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | but not 480x480 | 04:59 |
| jott | oh sure 480x480 not | 04:59 |
| jott | my bad | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | it has to fit exact number of times both ways | 04:59 |
| jott | yeah | 05:00 |
| MegaTrousers | Does anyone know where I can find a more complete / recent binary package of GnuPG other than the stripped down osso-gnupg package? | 05:00 |
| jott | stupid anyway | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | jott: yup, but works | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | i love math | 05:00 |
| jott | indeed | 05:00 |
| _]-[andful__ | jott : are you the owner of the ssnet2 site? | 05:00 |
| _]-[andful__ | :) | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | http://johnmason.tripod.com/jbg37.jpg | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | this one is nice | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:01 |
| jott | _]-[andful__: yes | 05:01 |
| _]-[andful__ | ah nice :) I was searching for your nickname at least to place there in my post :) | 05:01 |
| _]-[andful__ | and we had a question, (we tried looking for your patch but didn't find) | 05:01 |
| _]-[andful__ | you say on your site that you made some fixes... | 05:01 |
| jott | yeah reload :) | 05:01 |
| _]-[andful__ | did you fix the bluescreen (when screen dimes) ? | 05:02 |
| jott | yes | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:02 |
| _]-[andful__ | ah nice that was the todo missing from us also :/ | 05:02 |
| jott | i already put the source online | 05:02 |
| _]-[andful__ | (I work with Rodrigo Vivi) | 05:02 |
| jott | ah nice | 05:02 |
| _]-[andful__ | nice :) no problem (we were not "demanding" anything) | 05:02 |
| jott | na it's fine.. better push things :) | 05:02 |
| _]-[andful__ | just because when we readed (fix) we thought that you probably have solved the bluescreen issue :) | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | it's more like, teal-screen issue | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | at least on my n800 ;) | 05:03 |
| _]-[andful__ | Kot : perfectly said :) | 05:03 |
| jott | KotCzarny: but it's actually blue :) | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, it's fixed | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:03 |
| _]-[andful__ | nice :) | 05:03 |
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| KotCzarny | jott: blue has bad associations | 05:03 |
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| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:03 |
| _]-[andful__ | we already have some "transition" effects when inside canola :) | 05:03 |
| ^JSN | does anyone know how to change the icons on the panels on the n810? i've changed themes but the icons didn't change at all and i've tried rebooting. still the same icons | 05:04 |
| _]-[andful__ | so your applet will be quite handy for the maemo part :) and we can do our stuff without bothering the users that don't use canola :) | 05:04 |
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| _]-[andful__ | this has generated so much "noise" (positive ones) :) | 05:06 |
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| _]-[andful__ | I just wished we had the same sensor as in the n95s hidden somewhere :))) | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:07 |
| jott | hehe i've seen a hardware hack for an usb based acceloremeter for the n8x0 :) | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | it will stick out :/ | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | sdio one could be nice | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:09 |
| jott | hihi yeah | 05:09 |
| _]-[andful__ | yeah, we have some works around one using the camera, but too much cpu : / doesn't even worth it | 05:09 |
| _]-[andful__ | ah, and crappy precision in several situations :) | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:10 |
| jott | hehe pancake faces? :) | 05:10 |
| _]-[andful__ | lol | 05:10 |
| ^JSN | what is a acceloremeter? | 05:11 |
| jott | ^JSN: this thingie that detects spatial orientation | 05:11 |
| jott | and acceleration :) | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | more like acceleration in specific direction | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:12 |
| Navi | 'tis what the name says | 05:12 |
| _]-[andful__ | so you can do like , auto rotation, like digital cameras, and n95s and the iphones :) | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | handfull: i can just click on jott's applet | 05:12 |
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| _]-[andful__ | (and more, like tilt based games, and some other not so useful applications ) : ) | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | it's as fast and doesn't use cpu cycles | 05:12 |
| _]-[andful__ | yeah, me too :) | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | shaking it could damage nokia | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:13 |
| derf | Properly, angular orientation is handled by a gyroscope, not an accelerometer. | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | if it slips out ;) | 05:13 |
| jott | derf: yeah you're right :) | 05:13 |
| _]-[andful__ | derf: yeah :) sorry :) | 05:13 |
| Navi | derf, a combination of both is actually the best. | 05:14 |
| jott | anyway.. we don't have it in current n8x0 devices :/ | 05:14 |
| KotCzarny | not a big loss | 05:15 |
| derf | I would think a much more interesting application would be to combine it with GPS with a Kalman filter so, for example, when you go under a bridge your track doesn't start wandering through buildings. | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | better gps would be needed first | 05:16 |
| derf | Unfortunately, both GPS and accelerometers suck when you're not moving. | 05:16 |
| _]-[andful__ | derf : yeah that's quite useful | 05:16 |
| KotCzarny | maybe one day someone will integrate bt/gps/gyro/accmeter | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:17 |
| MegaTrousers | Does anyone know where I can find a more complete / recent binary package of GnuPG other than the stripped down osso-gnupg package? | 05:17 |
| derf | Yeah, if I were doing it, I'd just put it directly in the BT GPS unit. | 05:17 |
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| KotCzarny | that way you can fix bt unit to a vehicle | 05:18 |
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| KotCzarny | and use nokia freely | 05:18 |
| ^JSN | is there any way to setup file sharing in maemo? | 05:19 |
| KotCzarny | jsn: just install ssh server | 05:19 |
| KotCzarny | or sshfs | 05:19 |
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| KotCzarny | depending which way you want to share | 05:19 |
| ^JSN | do you have to use the sshclient threw the command prompt to access the shares everytime? | 05:19 |
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| KotCzarny | ? | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | sshfs mounts it permanently | 05:20 |
| ^JSN | i mean terminal | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | and it will look as a regular dir | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | for every app | 05:20 |
| ^JSN | oh ok | 05:20 |
| ^JSN | is it a seperate app than the openssh client? | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 05:20 |
| ^JSN | is that the package name? my apt-get couldn't find it | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know, i have seen it somewhere in a package form | 05:22 |
| Navi | _]-[andful__, just wondering, do the icons have to be a certain size? | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | i just installed it myself from sources | 05:22 |
| MegaTrousers | Maemo is completely useless and the N810 almost worthless without gpg. | 05:22 |
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| KotCzarny | MegaTrousers: get sdk and compile/package it yourself | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | that's what opensource is | 05:22 |
| MegaTrousers | I think I will do this. | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | for | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:22 |
| _]-[andful__ | yeah, the size that is there, unfortunately we cannot deal with vector scalling to use it in bigger sizes and the scale down..etc | 05:22 |
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| ^JSN | what is gpg? | 05:23 |
| _]-[andful__ | so we chose the best size to the whole thing :) with a little bit more of cpu / gpu we will pass to higher resolution icons | 05:23 |
| Navi | _]-[andful__, okay, that's fine. | 05:23 |
| _]-[andful__ | so you opened the design sheet? | 05:23 |
| _]-[andful__ | the most important things are the slice sizes, and the naming :) | 05:23 |
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| Navi | _]-[andful__, yeah, I've opened the sheet | 05:24 |
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| _]-[andful__ | so you noticed that there's no "graphics" for the settings part..we are keeping that in another set | 05:25 |
| Navi | I didn't notice ^_^ | 05:25 |
| _]-[andful__ | and I think youtube / last.fm are included already in the sheet, but people will need to take care when doing plugins to be theme agnostic :) | 05:26 |
| Navi | Yeah, they are | 05:26 |
| Navi | as well as a few other miscellaneous icons | 05:26 |
| ^JSN | is there any way to display album art for each mp3 in canola? | 05:26 |
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| _]-[andful__ | ^JSN : unm | 05:28 |
| _]-[andful__ | I think not (being from the same album, not... but if you remove the album tag from your id3 | 05:28 |
| _]-[andful__ | and add embedded album art yes | 05:28 |
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| ^JSN | not by defualt. everyone of my mp3's have embeded album art and it doesn't display | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | 'every' | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | or better 'all' or 'each' | 05:31 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 05:31 |
| _]-[andful__ | ^JsN : did you run canola-tuning ? | 05:31 |
| _]-[andful__ | it's being integrated, but for now you need to install and run, it will detect the embedded art for you, do what needs for canola to show it correctly | 05:31 |
| ^JSN | hmm | 05:32 |
| ^JSN | i'm not sure | 05:32 |
| ^JSN | i think it's installed but i don't think i've ever run it | 05:32 |
| _]-[andful__ | :) yeah, do that it will get from any image in the album folder, then embedded, then fetchs from the internet | 05:32 |
| ^JSN | do you run it? or does it run after it's installed? | 05:32 |
| _]-[andful__ | also the video thumbnails | 05:32 |
| _]-[andful__ | you need to run | 05:32 |
| _]-[andful__ | it's a small python application | 05:33 |
| ^JSN | oh yeah i have the album art downloader | 05:33 |
| _]-[andful__ | it's probably on your extras | 05:33 |
| ^JSN | it downloaded all of the album art | 05:33 |
| _]-[andful__ | the downloaded, gets also from embedded | 05:33 |
| _]-[andful__ | actually tries embedded first : | 05:33 |
| ^JSN | which looks sweet. but it would be alot better if each mp3 displayed the album art | 05:33 |
| _]-[andful__ | JSN : there's a small problem with that : when doing a heavy loaded screen like the album art | 05:33 |
| _]-[andful__ | is impossible to "keep reading" from the mp3s itself | 05:34 |
| _]-[andful__ | so, we do cache it in the best size possible for canola to us | 05:34 |
| _]-[andful__ | use | 05:34 |
| ^JSN | is the canola tuneing the video thumb and album cover apps? | 05:34 |
| _]-[andful__ | yes | 05:35 |
| _]-[andful__ | both apps | 05:35 |
| ^JSN | ok well i have that and i've run them. they do download for the entire album, but it's only displayed when you view all albums. | 05:36 |
| _]-[andful__ | let's go private | 05:36 |
| _]-[andful__ | so you can explain me better | 05:36 |
| ^JSN | ok | 05:36 |
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| KotCzarny | jott: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/xrandr/icons/ | 05:37 |
| jott | a bit hard to see the difference between left/right up/down :) | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | dpad :) | 05:39 |
| KotCzarny | but try it | 05:40 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder how it will look in real menu | 05:40 |
| jsn0327 | _]-[andful__: I sent you a PM did you receive it? | 05:40 |
| _]-[andful__ | yeah | 05:41 |
| _]-[andful__ | I'm answering to you there | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | jott, maybe i should do the photos with dpad led enabled | 05:41 |
| jott | hehe and use a n810 :) | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | i have n800 :) | 05:41 |
| jott | i know :) | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | but if someone has n810 he can make another icons set | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:41 |
| jott | something platform agnostic would be nice :) | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, not true | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:43 |
| _]-[andful__ | jsn0327: do you see my pm messages also? | 05:43 |
| KotCzarny | platfor agnostic is 'normal, left, reverse, right' ;) | 05:43 |
| jsn0327 | no i'm not seeing them | 05:43 |
| _]-[andful__ | so enter #canola | 05:44 |
| jott | KotCzarny: that's why i chose it in the first place :) | 05:44 |
| _]-[andful__ | them we can talk more about that and not flood here | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | yes, and i agree it's ok :) | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | and any user can get used to it easily | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | or just click through to get what he wants | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | 4 options is not so much ;) | 05:45 |
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| jott | and when they use xrandr later, they even know what the -o flags are called ;) | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:47 |
| kcome | hi all | 05:48 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.photoshoproadmap.com/imagenes/newsletter/FREE-TILES.zip | 05:53 |
| KotCzarny | nice 'wallpaper' pack | 05:53 |
| vivijim | jott: hi, are you there? | 05:54 |
| jott | vivijim: a bit | 05:54 |
| vivijim | jott: thanks for your contribution on screen rotation! :D I loved you rotate-sb-plugin :) | 05:55 |
| vivijim | I couldn't test your patch of my patch to linux kernel yet because I have no micro usb cable at home | 05:55 |
| jott | you're welcome :) | 05:55 |
| KotCzarny | vivijim: use fanoush kernel flasher | 05:56 |
| jott | yeah the current solution is still not optimal | 05:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:56 |
| vivijim | jott: I'd like to know if it has fixed the blue screen that I get after screen switch off | 05:57 |
| vivijim | KotCzarny: I don't know it... where can I find it? | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | vivijim: google? | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | vivijim: yes, it's fixed | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:57 |
| jott | vivijim: i guess you can easily spot the differences (update screen w/h) and setting the register cache.. | 05:57 |
| vivijim | KotCzarny: I'm looking for | 05:57 |
| jott | (though this is only needed when you rotate while in power save mode :) | 05:58 |
| vivijim | nice! | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | vivijim: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:59 |
| vivijim | I'm installing it. thanks! | 06:00 |
| vivijim | I can't wait to test it :D | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | 'installing' ? | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | that's a big word for wget and untar :) | 06:01 |
| jott | ok i'm off for a bit.. laters | 06:04 |
| KotCzarny | go go | 06:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:04 |
| KotCzarny | and thx | 06:04 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, built-in flash isn't checked while writing | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | CONFIG_MTD_ONENAND_VERIFY_WRITE is diabled by default in kernel | 06:17 |
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| vivijim | it works! :D | 06:22 |
| vivijim | thanks jott | 06:23 |
| vivijim | jott: my patch was already applied to linux-omap.. please submit your one ;) | 06:23 |
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| inteliwasp | is there a problem with stayin connected with ssh for a long time? | 06:48 |
| Navi | no | 06:48 |
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| Proteous | I haven't had a problem | 06:50 |
| inteliwasp | hrm... i am trying to run bittorent through ssh but after some time the connectin is lost and i must reboot my n800 to get the internet back | 06:50 |
| KotCzarny | just a battery drain | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | because wifi-on | 06:51 |
| KotCzarny | (but it's wifi related, not ssh) | 06:51 |
| * inteliwasp 's n800 is pluged in | 06:51 | |
| KotCzarny | plugged in what? | 06:51 |
| inteliwasp | power | 06:51 |
| inteliwasp | i set wifi not to timeout too | 06:52 |
| Proteous | could be the other end dropping the connection | 06:52 |
| Proteous | or it could be the wireless router barfing from the number of BT connections | 06:53 |
| inteliwasp | how do you explain the need to reboot my n800? | 06:53 |
| Proteous | why would you want to run BT on a tablet? | 06:53 |
| inteliwasp | procto | 06:53 |
| Proteous | what's that | 06:54 |
| inteliwasp | arg, tiny kb......... | 06:54 |
| Proteous | heh | 06:54 |
| Proteous | I'll ask google | 06:54 |
| * inteliwasp really needs a bt kb... | 06:54 | |
| inteliwasp | btw i americ | 06:55 |
| inteliwasp | % @ , | 06:55 |
| Proteous | okay, what is procto | 06:56 |
| inteliwasp | btw i am not useing bt on my n800, i am SSHing in to my server | 06:57 |
| inteliwasp | i ment to tab you name but i was peckingg at the &$€£ing small kb too fast | 06:58 |
| Proteous | ah | 06:58 |
| inteliwasp | :p | 06:58 |
| Proteous | so you have bittorrent running you your server and you are sshed into your server | 06:58 |
| Proteous | er, running on | 06:58 |
| inteliwasp | yep, tunneling the gui version of bt | 06:59 |
| Proteous | but why are you tunneling bittorrent through ssh? | 06:59 |
| Proteous | so you are using a ssh tunnel to view the bittorrent gui? | 06:59 |
| inteliwasp | yes | 06:59 |
| inteliwasp | bc i cannot figure out how to set up vnc | 07:00 |
| Proteous | heh | 07:01 |
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| inteliwasp | i mean remote desktop | 07:01 |
| Proteous | what OS is the server running? | 07:01 |
| inteliwasp | kubuntu linux | 07:02 |
| kcome | hi inteliwasp | 07:02 |
| inteliwasp | 6.061 i think... | 07:02 |
| kcome | are you familiar with Konsole? | 07:02 |
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| inteliwasp | yes | 07:02 |
| kcome | do you know if i could use ttf font in konsole? | 07:03 |
| kcome | or how to install pcf fonts for konsole, thanks :) | 07:03 |
| inteliwasp | ... um... ok i thought i new konsole... | 07:03 |
| inteliwasp | :) | 07:03 |
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| Proteous | I'm gonna agree with KotCzarny and say it's not a ssh problem ssh isn't able to make your tablet loose it's wireless until you reboot | 07:07 |
| inteliwasp | Proteous, any ideas for my problem? | 07:07 |
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| inteliwasp | oh | 07:07 |
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| inteliwasp | is there a way to detach a tunneled gui? like with screen? | 07:08 |
| KotCzarny | with vncserver | 07:09 |
| Proteous | I don't have any experience with tunneled x | 07:09 |
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| inteliwasp | got an install guide for kubuntu 6? | 07:10 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:11 |
| aquatix | morning all | 10:12 |
| gopi | morning. | 10:12 |
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| wom- | setanta: continued on debugging the problem with host resolving in scratchbox.. interesting. when saying 'host www.google.com' it resolves and 'wget www.google.com' it doesn't | 10:16 |
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| iDS | hi guys | 10:18 |
| iDS | i bought 1 n800 now | 10:18 |
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| iDS | and wanna to install tools apps games... | 10:18 |
| iDS | how can i do> | 10:18 |
| iDS | ? | 10:18 |
| johnx | iDS, go you downloads.maemo.org, find things you want, hit the "click to install" link | 10:19 |
| inz | wom, do /etc/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf match, and the same for nsswitch.conf? | 10:19 |
| iDS | ok and? | 10:19 |
| inz | wom, both inside scratchbox, that is | 10:19 |
| iDS | i have C:\Download\canola2.install now | 10:19 |
| iDS | what can i do with that? | 10:19 |
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| inz | iDS, click the link on the tablet, not on PC | 10:20 |
| iDS | oh? | 10:20 |
| wom- | inz: you might have someting there.. i have been only looking to /etc/resolv.conf inside scracthbox target.. testing.. :) | 10:20 |
| iDS | inz | 10:20 |
| johnx | iDS, yes. :) or transfer the .install file to the tablet... and click on it in the file manager | 10:20 |
| iDS | ummm what u mean? | 10:20 |
| iDS | oh i got it | 10:21 |
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| iDS | but i need to have internet for install it>? | 10:21 |
| johnx | yes | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 10:21 |
| iDS | oh i don't have internet | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | LOL | 10:21 |
| iDS | what can i do now? | 10:21 |
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| johnx | it's pretty hard to install things on the tablet if it doesn't have internet access... | 10:21 |
| iDS | i am seeig these lines: on pc | 10:21 |
| iDS | [install] | 10:21 |
| iDS | repo_deb_3 = deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free non-free | 10:21 |
| iDS | catalogues = extras | 10:21 |
| iDS | package = canola2 | 10:21 |
| iDS | [extras] | 10:21 |
| iDS | name = maemo Extras | 10:21 |
| iDS | uri = http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ | 10:22 |
| iDS | components = free non-free | 10:22 |
| wom- | inz: thanks.. it did the trick. i only checked that /etc/resolv.conf inside target. not /scratchbox/etc/.. :D | 10:22 |
| jeddy3 | nice, just applied a real antiglare screen-protector instead of the shipping protection film | 10:22 |
| iDS | really help me please | 10:22 |
| jeddy3 | it's THAT much better | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | ids: real packages are .deb ones | 10:22 |
| johnx | iDS, can you get internet access on the tablet? | 10:22 |
| iDS | i thought i can download tools from internet anbd move them to my n800 | 10:22 |
| megabyte405 | copy the debs over usb | 10:22 |
| johnx | that's really the easiest way | 10:22 |
| iDS | johnx no i have just internet on my PC | 10:23 |
| iDS | please guide me | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/ | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | go there | 10:23 |
| KotCzarny | and find your debs | 10:23 |
| iDS | only there?? | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | probably in other places too | 10:24 |
| johnx | iDS, you don't have a wireless router? | 10:24 |
| iDS | johnx no! | 10:24 |
| iDS | look here https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=54&release_id=1338 | 10:24 |
| megabyte405 | or on whatever other repository you wanted to use | 10:25 |
| megabyte405 | but yeah | 10:25 |
| megabyte405 | that's basically it. | 10:25 |
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| iDS | :''( | 10:26 |
| iDS | but is there should be a way>? | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 10:26 |
| johnx | It's a "Nokia Internet Tablet" ... it's made to be used with internet access | 10:26 |
| iDS | i can download tools from maemo and then move and install on my n800 | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | then install them using terminal | 10:27 |
| iDS | please don't disapoint me? :( | 10:27 |
| KotCzarny | dpkg -i /path/to/your/files/package.deb | 10:27 |
| johnx | I'll be back on later...maybe I'll be able to help you then | 10:27 |
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| iDS | ok tnx | 10:27 |
| inz | But you need root access for that | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | yes i guess, use: sudo dpkg -i /path/to/your/files/package.deb | 10:28 |
| inz | But sudo doesn't allow you to do that by default | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | oh. well | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | can app-manager install packages from user dir? | 10:29 |
| inz | It is actually quite painful to install applications without internet connectivity on the tablet | 10:29 |
| inz | Kot, yes it can, but it won't install anything that isn't user/ -prefixed | 10:30 |
| KotCzarny | ids: how do you move the files to tablet? | 10:30 |
| megabyte405 | KotCzarny: yes | 10:30 |
| inz | Unless it is in red pill mode | 10:30 |
| inz | Manual dependency tracking is painful | 10:30 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, i should get some sleep | 10:31 |
| KotCzarny | night ppl | 10:31 |
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| pupnik | ahh bundyo made a mplayer browser plug-in for tablet! | 10:32 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=152765#post152765 | 10:33 |
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| leo2007` | what's chinook | 10:49 |
| tank-man | code name for the os version | 10:51 |
| tank-man | also warm body of air that comes down from the mountains | 10:51 |
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| iDS | guys | 10:57 |
| iDS | hey | 10:57 |
| iDS | help | 10:57 |
| iDS | someone has canola 2 .db | 10:57 |
| iDS | .deb | 10:57 |
| iDS | please send me now | 10:58 |
| iDS | tnx | 10:58 |
| iDS | oh http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.0/free/c/canola2/ | 11:01 |
| iDS | :D | 11:01 |
| iDS | but don't work? | 11:02 |
| iDS | why? | 11:02 |
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| iDS | help | 11:08 |
| truls | you already know where to get it | 11:09 |
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| truls | you just posted a link | 11:09 |
| truls | you can get the debs just fine from there | 11:09 |
| truls | or add the repository | 11:09 |
| * truls doesn't know why it doesn't work for you | 11:10 | |
| iDS | yes but the page doen't work here | 11:10 |
| truls | you posted no errormessages or reasons why it doesnt work | 11:10 |
| truls | works for me | 11:10 |
| truls | try it again | 11:10 |
| iDS | ok | 11:10 |
| iDS | friend | 11:10 |
| iDS | please send to me here | 11:10 |
| * truls sends you to here | 11:10 | |
| iDS | canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb | 11:10 |
| iDS | this yeah by irc | 11:10 |
| iDS | thank u 1ooo | 11:10 |
| iDS | i am new user here now | 11:11 |
| truls | i can tell | 11:11 |
| truls | download from the webpage | 11:11 |
| iDS | oh please upload on rapidshare | 11:11 |
| iDS | possible? | 11:11 |
| truls | haha | 11:11 |
| truls | are you for real? | 11:11 |
| iDS | please | 11:11 |
| iDS | yes | 11:11 |
| truls | that's hilarious | 11:11 |
| iDS | www.rapidshare.com | 11:11 |
| iDS | upload there for me | 11:11 |
| iDS | please i need it and ur help | 11:11 |
| truls | tell me why you can't download from the webpage? | 11:12 |
| * truls isn't going to upload anything on rapidshare or send on irc | 11:12 | |
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| truls | the file is readily available on web | 11:12 |
| truls | and repositories | 11:12 |
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| truls | i don't mind pointing you in the right direction, but don't expect people to do stupid stuff like put on rapidshare | 11:12 |
| iDS | ok | 11:13 |
| iDS | well | 11:13 |
| iDS | please give me a link | 11:13 |
| truls | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.0/free/c/canola2/ | 11:13 |
| iDS | Authorization Required | 11:13 |
| iDS | i just that text | 11:13 |
| truls | i get no such message | 11:13 |
| iDS | please upload it somewhere for me now | 11:13 |
| truls | now? | 11:14 |
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| iDS | for god | 11:14 |
| iDS | believe | 11:14 |
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| iDS | me | 11:14 |
| truls | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.0/free/c/canola2/canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb | 11:14 |
| iDS | i can't dowbload it there and don't know why | 11:14 |
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| iDS | i need user and pass oh wait | 11:15 |
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| iDS | i need user and pass? | 11:15 |
| iDS | please give it to me | 11:16 |
| iDS | finally can u help me? | 11:17 |
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| iDS | unique311 | 11:18 |
| iDS | hi | 11:18 |
| iDS | friend | 11:18 |
| iDS | do u remember me? | 11:18 |
| unique311 | not really | 11:18 |
| unique311 | but hello | 11:18 |
| iDS | are u black? | 11:18 |
| unique311 | brown, but i've been called black.. | 11:19 |
| iDS | i wanted to buy n800 2 months later | 11:19 |
| iDS | and we talked in the chan | 11:19 |
| iDS | i bought it now | 11:19 |
| iDS | :D | 11:19 |
| unique311 | cool | 11:19 |
| unique311 | enjoying it.. | 11:19 |
| iDS | i need ur help | 11:19 |
| unique311 | shoot | 11:19 |
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| iDS | i can't download canola 2 from web | 11:19 |
| iDS | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.0/free/c/canola2/canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb | 11:19 |
| iDS | :''( | 11:19 |
| iDS | and don't know why? | 11:20 |
| iDS | maybe site is down here | 11:20 |
| iDS | can u upload it for me on somewhere now? | 11:20 |
| unique311 | do it from the application manager | 11:20 |
| unique311 | install it from the application manager. | 11:20 |
| iDS | no i don't have internet for tablet now | 11:20 |
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| iDS | please upload this file for me now | 11:21 |
| unique311 | hold on | 11:21 |
| unique311 | what browser are you using | 11:21 |
| unique311 | that link works for me | 11:21 |
| unique311 | in firefox | 11:21 |
| iDS | ok thank u 1000 | 11:21 |
| iDS | i have IE 6 | 11:21 |
| unique311 | install firefox | 11:21 |
| unique311 | and then try again | 11:21 |
| iDS | but if u upload it now must be faster | 11:21 |
| iDS | please give it to me | 11:22 |
| unique311 | not really | 11:22 |
| unique311 | lol | 11:22 |
| iDS | why> | 11:22 |
| iDS | is it really hard for me? | 11:22 |
| iDS | pleaseeeeeeeeee | 11:22 |
| unique311 | not legal | 11:22 |
| unique311 | sorry | 11:22 |
| iDS | for god | 11:22 |
| unique311 | and i think canola has a bunch of dependencies | 11:22 |
| iDS | someone help me here | 11:22 |
| unique311 | i don't think dl only that deb is going to be enough | 11:23 |
| inz | Definitely not | 11:23 |
| iDS | please | 11:23 |
| iDS | i need help | 11:23 |
| inz | You need python, ecore, python-ecore etc | 11:23 |
| unique311 | listen | 11:23 |
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| iDS | please understand | 11:23 |
| iDS | help | 11:23 |
| iDS | help | 11:23 |
| unique311 | wtf | 11:23 |
| iDS | yes? | 11:23 |
| unique311 | dependencies | 11:23 |
| unique311 | you will not be able to install that deb by itself, and if you do manage with dpkg -i | 11:24 |
| unique311 | it will not work | 11:24 |
| unique311 | ok | 11:24 |
| unique311 | waiit till you have you tablet and do it from the application manager | 11:24 |
| iDS | i don't have internet on my tablet | 11:24 |
| unique311 | so you have to wait till you do. | 11:25 |
| iDS | why u don't want to understand it | 11:25 |
| iDS | i need just that free file | 11:25 |
| iDS | sorry | 11:25 |
| unique311 | so download firefox | 11:25 |
| inz | You need much more than that | 11:25 |
| iDS | i am very sad now | 11:25 |
| unique311 | and then dl the file | 11:25 |
| iDS | and disappoint from u | 11:25 |
| iDS | damn to me | 11:25 |
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| unique311 | I get it, you one of those troll thingies... | 11:26 |
| unique311 | very funny. haw haw haw... | 11:26 |
| iDS | This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. | 11:26 |
| iDS | i am just seeing this | 11:26 |
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| unique311 | do it from firefox | 11:26 |
| iDS | give me the pass now? POSSIBLE? | 11:26 |
| truls | iDS: stop bothering people, you already have several solutions to your problem, if you would listen | 11:27 |
| iDS | i hate firefox | 11:27 |
| truls | iDS: there is no passward | 11:27 |
| unique311 | lol | 11:27 |
| unique311 | thats a first | 11:27 |
| unique311 | a firefox hater | 11:27 |
| truls | trolls usually are | 11:27 |
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| * errordeveloper doesn't like firefox either | 11:31 | |
| inz | Does it have too few errors? | 11:31 |
| errordeveloper | i consider even to switch back to the original mozilla | 11:31 |
| errordeveloper | well | 11:31 |
| errordeveloper | inz: lol | 11:31 |
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| errordeveloper | but i just find it slow, mem hungry and not really behaving the right way | 11:32 |
| errordeveloper | the rendering bit is great | 11:33 |
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| errordeveloper | but all the UI sucks, from my point of view | 11:33 |
| inz | I would like my browser to have only back button and location bar | 11:34 |
| errordeveloper | it could be more efficient to have some keyboard driven browser .. | 11:34 |
| inz | No menu or other buttons | 11:34 |
| inz | I never used opera enough to learn it, but I've understood that it has pretty decent keyboard navigation | 11:34 |
| errordeveloper | inz: yeah, something like that | 11:34 |
| inz | I actually got firefox to look like that, but then they changed something and the "History" menu appeared on top of my toolbar | 11:35 |
| errordeveloper | yeah, but opera has LOADS of fancy buttons | 11:35 |
| errordeveloper | inz: hm .. in fact , i think you can remove that ... | 11:36 |
| inz | http://inz.fi/ffox that's what my firefox used to look like (imagine borders around it) | 11:36 |
| inz | (never mind the bug shown in the image, it's fixed already) | 11:36 |
| errordeveloper | just to me the problem is with the popups and all that .. | 11:37 |
| inz | damn web dev's found new ways to create popups ;) | 11:37 |
| errordeveloper | like the way you manipulate links .. if it could have a little command line, where each link on a page could be stored as numberred variable | 11:39 |
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| errordeveloper | you could still open it in a tab | 11:39 |
| errordeveloper | or a new win | 11:39 |
| errordeveloper | but to dowlnload would type something like | 11:39 |
| inz | error, check out vimperator | 11:40 |
| errordeveloper | down $14 /home/pub/inc/ | 11:40 |
| errordeveloper | or: down $14 /tmp/ | 11:40 |
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| errordeveloper | inz: hm ..first time heard of that .. | 11:40 |
| inz | error, it's vim-like stuff for firefox | 11:41 |
| errordeveloper | WOW | 11:42 |
| errordeveloper | inz: realy, thanx for that ! | 11:42 |
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| errordeveloper | sound lovely | 11:42 |
| inz | error, last time I tried it, it didn't work too perfectly, but it has some niceness in it | 11:42 |
| inz | error, like "numbered" links (it actually uses characters, but still) | 11:42 |
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| errordeveloper | oh, great | 11:43 |
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| errordeveloper | i'll try it out now :) | 11:44 |
| inz | I think it only works on fx2 for now | 11:44 |
| * aquatix quite likes his customised Fx3b4 | 11:45 | |
| errordeveloper | inz: is it like the devs are really into v3 ? | 11:45 |
| errordeveloper | hm .. i don't like the way they jump from 2.0.0.xx to 3.0.... | 11:46 |
| errordeveloper | why not 2.5 at least ? | 11:46 |
| inz | Because there's huge jump between 2 and 3 | 11:46 |
| aquatix | yeah | 11:46 |
| aquatix | the places thing etc | 11:47 |
| aquatix | and a new engine | 11:47 |
| aquatix | and quite a bit more | 11:47 |
| aquatix | i think it's justified | 11:47 |
| inz | Another question is whether 2.0 was justified | 11:47 |
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| aquatix | myeah | 11:47 |
| aquatix | that was more because they felt like a major version was due | 11:48 |
| aquatix | i guess | 11:48 |
| inz | But opera's running in 9 already, they must be much better! | 11:48 |
| aquatix | besides, they wanted some features that are now in Fx3 in Fx2, but that wasn't feasible | 11:48 |
| aquatix | inz: :) | 11:48 |
| aquatix | and and, Netscape 9 then? | 11:49 |
| inz | Oooh, netscape niiinnnee... | 11:49 |
| inz | when they hit 10, I will jump ship! | 11:49 |
| inz | Oh wait... | 11:49 |
| aquatix | ;) | 11:49 |
| aquatix | netscape disappeared into /dev/null a short while ago | 11:50 |
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| errordeveloper | inz: yeah, but doesn't opera team obey sort of commercial realeas numbering rulse (similar to photoshop or such) ? | 11:50 |
| inz | aqua, fortunately, the last releases were quite ugly | 11:50 |
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| inz | error, Opera CS! | 11:51 |
| aquatix | opera 9.5b is quite nice | 11:51 |
| aquatix | but i like Fx3b4 better | 11:51 |
| errordeveloper | inz: well .. i'm not to sure ..there used to be photoshop 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 .. | 11:52 |
| inz | error, and we need a stripped down opera Elements too! | 11:53 |
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| inz | Mmeh, bought a blackberry for my SO, unfortunately their services don't work in Finland :/ | 11:55 |
| inz | So you can't use the buil | 11:56 |
| inz | t-in email nor browser | 11:56 |
| aquatix | blackberries are overhyped | 11:56 |
| aquatix | their software isn't all that fancy | 11:56 |
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| inz | auqa, yes, but there aren't that many pink smartphones | 11:56 |
| aquatix | the sonyericsson m600i was in shiny white? :) | 11:57 |
| * aquatix hates pink gadgets ;) | 11:57 | |
| aquatix | thankfully, my girlfriend dislikes pink stuff too | 11:57 |
| aquatix | so she has some light blue phone | 11:58 |
| inz | aqua, I don't hate pink (wouldn't want one for myself though) | 11:58 |
| * aquatix has most hardware in black/silver and some antracite | 12:00 | |
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| iDS | umm | 12:39 |
| iDS | http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/repo/archive/ | 12:39 |
| iDS | i need to install all deb file | 12:39 |
| iDS | is it 6 levels for quetoo 2? | 12:39 |
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| iDS | hi | 13:13 |
| iDS | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.0/free/c/canola2/canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb | 13:13 |
| iDS | firefox can't read it too | 13:13 |
| iDS | i told u ah | 13:13 |
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| iDS | i really can't download it | 13:14 |
| iDS | tell me how can i do? | 13:14 |
| iDS | ??????/ | 13:16 |
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| iDS | HELP! | 13:19 |
| aquatix | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/ <- click the INSTALL button? | 13:19 |
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| iDS | and. | 13:20 |
| iDS | ? | 13:20 |
| aquatix | follow the instructions? | 13:20 |
| aquatix | just read... | 13:20 |
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| iDS | but | 13:22 |
| iDS | friend | 13:23 |
| iDS | canola page can't work here? | 13:24 |
| iDS | i need 2 tools canm u upload them for me now? | 13:24 |
| *** iDS is now known as KKKK | 13:26 | |
| KKKK | aquqtix | 13:28 |
| KKKK | please listen to me | 13:28 |
| KKKK | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ | 13:28 |
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| iDS | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.0/free/c/canola2/canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb | 13:28 |
| iDS | it doesn't work here | 13:28 |
| iDS | with none ie or firefox | 13:28 |
| iDS | i am registered on maemo.org | 13:29 |
| iDS | so please what's my problem? | 13:29 |
| iDS | the page just say | 13:29 |
| iDS | This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. | 13:29 |
| iDS | help | 13:29 |
| iDS | help | 13:29 |
| iDS | aquatix | 13:30 |
| iDS | please upload only two files for me now in everywhere | 13:30 |
| iDS | 1 canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb | 13:30 |
| iDS | 2 python2.5-runtime_0.4-15_all.deb | 13:31 |
| iDS | please | 13:31 |
| iDS | i am here about 4 hours | 13:31 |
| iDS | and couldn't solve my problem | 13:31 |
| iDS | here is for help | 13:31 |
| iDS | please | 13:31 |
| shackan | shut up, what's the problem? | 13:31 |
| iDS | read up | 13:31 |
| shackan | well, your browser is broken | 13:32 |
| shackan | because all the links work | 13:32 |
| iDS | for god | 13:32 |
| iDS | they don't work here | 13:32 |
| iDS | please trust me | 13:32 |
| iDS | i just see | 13:33 |
| iDS | Authorization Required | 13:33 |
| iDS | This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. | 13:33 |
| shackan | they do work here, if you can't download them wherever you are I can't see what we can do | 13:33 |
| iDS | u can help me | 13:33 |
| iDS | with upload these on a site | 13:33 |
| iDS | just add them to a rar file and send to me | 13:34 |
| aquatix | erm | 13:34 |
| iDS | please | 13:34 |
| iDS | trust me :'''( | 13:34 |
| aquatix | you need to add the repository | 13:34 |
| aquatix | i can send you that .install fail | 13:34 |
| iDS | repository how? where? | 13:34 |
| aquatix | *file | 13:34 |
| aquatix | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install_second.html | 13:34 |
| iDS | ok | 13:34 |
| aquatix | same site | 13:34 |
| iDS | send me | 13:34 |
| aquatix | ... | 13:34 |
| aquatix | why? | 13:34 |
| aquatix | have you even tried? | 13:35 |
| iDS | yes | 13:35 |
| iDS | about 4 hours here | 13:35 |
| aquatix | on that link? | 13:35 |
| iDS | :''( | 13:35 |
| aquatix | try the url i just posted | 13:35 |
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| iDS | ok but/// | 13:35 |
| iDS | ? | 13:35 |
| shackan | I guess he goes through some broken firewall or something | 13:35 |
| iDS | yes maybe i don't know | 13:35 |
| aquatix | i guess | 13:36 |
| iDS | :"''( | 13:36 |
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| iDS | please upload these files for me | 13:36 |
| iDS | only | 13:36 |
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| iDS | [15:00:40] <iDS> 1 canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb | 13:36 |
| iDS | [15:01:05] <iDS> 2 python2.5-runtime_0.4-15_all.deb | 13:36 |
| inz | They're not enough | 13:36 |
| aquatix | sec... | 13:36 |
| aquatix | can you reach this file on your nokia? http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install_files/base-repository.install | 13:37 |
| iDS | .....i just bought my n800 today and don't know more for install filers... | 13:37 |
| iDS | no i don't have internet on n800 now only pc | 13:37 |
| aquatix | iDS: the easiest way is to go with your n800's browser to that site | 13:37 |
| aquatix | oh | 13:37 |
| iDS | and sorry | 13:37 |
| iDS | just can see this text file | 13:37 |
| iDS | install] | 13:37 |
| iDS | repo_name = maemo | 13:37 |
| iDS | repo_deb = deb http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free | 13:37 |
| iDS | repo_deb_3 = deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free | 13:37 |
| iDS | catalogues = maemo | 13:37 |
| iDS | [maemo] | 13:37 |
| iDS | name = maemo | 13:37 |
| iDS | uri = http://repository.maemo.org/ | 13:38 |
| iDS | components = free non-free | 13:38 |
| iDS | just that! :( | 13:38 |
| aquatix | please don't post that here | 13:38 |
| aquatix | yeah, you have to open it on your n800 | 13:38 |
| iDS | ok sure sorry | 13:38 |
| iDS | :''( | 13:38 |
| aquatix | but it needs internet for that | 13:38 |
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| inz | You really should rather find out what is broken with your web browser | 13:38 |
| iDS | but if u send me these files then i can install by my pc | 13:38 |
| aquatix | that too | 13:38 |
| inz | Everyone else can access the packages, so it must be at your end | 13:38 |
| iDS | yes i am very bad luck :( | 13:38 |
| iDS | please can u upload and send me now? | 13:39 |
| iDS | just add to rar file | 13:39 |
| aquatix | i don't know what dependencies it needs | 13:39 |
| iDS | just send | 13:40 |
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| iDS | i need to test | 13:40 |
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| iDS | upload it on a host site like www.rapidshare.com | 13:40 |
| aquatix | http://dump.aquariusoft.org/files/maemo/canola2_2.0.0~beta6-maemo2_all.deb | 13:41 |
| iDS | thankkkkkkkkkkkk u | 13:41 |
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| iDS | what about python2.5-runtime_0.4-15_all.deb | 13:41 |
| iDS | please do that too | 13:41 |
| aquatix | looking for it | 13:41 |
| inz | and python-ecore, and libecore, and... | 13:41 |
| iDS | ok :) | 13:41 |
| iDS | u are an angel | 13:42 |
| iDS | respect | 13:42 |
| aquatix | i'll download them from my n810 | 13:42 |
| aquatix | sec... | 13:42 |
| iDS | ok | 13:42 |
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| iDS | canola 2 didn't installed it needs many python | 13:45 |
| aquatix | yeah, uploading those python things | 13:46 |
| aquatix | second... | 13:46 |
| iDS | thank u 1000 respect dude | 13:46 |
| iDS | :D | 13:46 |
| aquatix | http://aquariusoft.org/files/maemo/ | 13:47 |
| iDS | efl-core lightmediascanner hildon-imf-ecore atabake canolad.. | 13:47 |
| qos_ | aquatix, is canola2 beta 6 the latest offical release? | 13:48 |
| iDS | thank u all are ready now? | 13:48 |
| aquatix | qos_: not sure, frankly | 13:48 |
| aquatix | iDS: yeah | 13:48 |
| iDS | aquatix u are the best of the best person here | 13:48 |
| aquatix | heh, thanks | 13:48 |
| aquatix | but it really helps to fix that firewall or gateway ;) | 13:48 |
| aquatix | and maybe get internet on your n800 | 13:48 |
| aquatix | because then it's easy to install | 13:49 |
| aquatix | just two clicks | 13:49 |
| iDS | friend what about efl-core lightmediascanner hildon-imf-ecore atabake canolad......i saw them on my canola problem section here... | 13:49 |
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| aquatix | don't know | 13:50 |
| aquatix | they are not on my device as .deb's anymore | 13:50 |
| iDS | ok please wait i am testing please also upload python2.5-runtime_0.4-15_all.deb tnx | 13:50 |
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| aquatix | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/python-runtime/python2.5-runtime_0.4-15_all.deb | 13:52 |
| iDS | thank u dude 1 min plz | 13:52 |
| aquatix | found that with google ;) | 13:52 |
| iDS | nono | 13:52 |
| iDS | http://repository.maemo.org don't work here | 13:53 |
| iDS | please ur own upload if possible | 13:53 |
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| aquatix | sec... | 13:53 |
| aquatix | ok, on that same page as the other python packages | 13:53 |
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| iDS | respect | 13:54 |
| iDS | 1 min plz | 13:54 |
| iDS | about ython2.5-runtime_0.4-15_all.deb it said unable to install incompatible application package | 13:56 |
| iDS | please all | 13:56 |
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| inz | iDS, you need to enable red pill mode | 13:56 |
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| inz | iDS, google will tell you how | 13:56 |
| iDS | yes | 13:57 |
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| iDS | also i can't install nothing of python and said the same up message | 13:57 |
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| aquatix | iDS: well, then enter the red pill mode first, like inz says | 13:58 |
| iDS | the red pill mode? where is it? | 13:58 |
| inz | 13:56 < inz> iDS, google will tell you how | 13:58 |
| iDS | yes will try now | 13:59 |
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| iDS | how can i register on repository.maemo.org? it always needs pass and user...and i am an user on maemo.org | 14:04 |
| aquatix | erm, i don't have to register on repository.maemo.org? | 14:06 |
| inz | Something is really broken if you need user and pass there | 14:06 |
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| iDS | yes guys | 14:08 |
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| iDS | listen i have just internet on my pc and want to download n800 apps there | 14:08 |
| iDS | and move to my n800 and install | 14:08 |
| iDS | is it an hard way? | 14:09 |
| fugitivo | no | 14:09 |
| fugitivo | just double click on the package and the app manager will open to install the app | 14:09 |
| iDS | double click on the package!!! on my pc? | 14:10 |
| iDS | my n800 hasn't wlan or internet...my only internet is pc | 14:11 |
| wom- | what is the reason for not having N800 connected to internet. It is really crippled without internet | 14:11 |
| iDS | i want to download n800 stuffs with my pc then move to my tablet | 14:11 |
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| iDS | just that | 14:11 |
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| iDS | wom- | 14:11 |
| iDS | yes i feel u but | 14:11 |
| iDS | i can't at the moment | 14:12 |
| iDS | fugitivo | 14:12 |
| iDS | u always download these with pc or with ur tablet? | 14:12 |
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| fugitivo | ids: no, double tap on the device | 14:12 |
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| iDS | fugitivo yes u first move the tools from ur pc to ur tablet device and will install them there yes? | 14:13 |
| fugitivo | i download with my tablet, but when i test some stuff i just transfer the package to the device and install it from there | 14:13 |
| iDS | oh my problem is here i can download with my pc now! | 14:14 |
| fugitivo | yes, move the package to the tablet, then install it from there | 14:14 |
| iDS | fugitivo | 14:14 |
| iDS | dear | 14:14 |
| iDS | please tell me how u can install canola 2? | 14:14 |
| fugitivo | dear? | 14:15 |
| fugitivo | lol | 14:15 |
| iDS | : | 14:15 |
| fugitivo | canola needs a lot of dependencies, it's better to install it directly from the tablet | 14:15 |
| fugitivo | just go to a bar with wifi and install it from there | 14:16 |
| iDS | oh | 14:16 |
| iDS | but other way? | 14:17 |
| iDS | download it from internet with pc and now for n800? | 14:17 |
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| iDS | by the way guys | 14:21 |
| iDS | look here | 14:21 |
| iDS | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=52&release_id=710 | 14:21 |
| iDS | here is 2 files | 14:21 |
| iDS | 1 deb and other is tar.gz | 14:21 |
| iDS | ut needs to copy tar.gz on my sd? | 14:21 |
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| iDS | yes? | 14:23 |
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| errordeveloper | hey , how to disable the calling app running when the camera stick is out (on the nokia 800) ? | 15:00 |
| johnx | it's in the preferences for the internet call app | 15:00 |
| johnx | menu -> tools -> settings or something | 15:00 |
| errordeveloper | johnx: cool, thnx | 15:01 |
| errordeveloper | :))) | 15:01 |
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| errordeveloper | may be ..it'd rather start the camera utility .. | 15:01 |
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| johnx | maybe the camera popping out generates a d-bus event? | 15:02 |
| errordeveloper | proly | 15:02 |
| errordeveloper | i see ..this is the feature of the internet call app | 15:02 |
| johnx | listen for it and run a program when it happens? | 15:02 |
| errordeveloper | ok .. may be | 15:03 |
| errordeveloper | when i have time, i'll check if a basic shell or perl script could do :) | 15:03 |
| johnx | check out dbus-monitor | 15:04 |
| errordeveloper | sure :) | 15:05 |
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| inz | errer, IIRC there's a gconf key for that | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | . Disable video chat from loading on camera coming out "gconftool-2 --set --type bool '/system/osso/af/launch-on-camera' 'false'" | 15:09 |
| johnx | yeah...or the click one checkbox in the app... | 15:10 |
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| guardian | hmm i'm curious about something | 15:25 |
| guardian | what's the point of having mouse coordinates expressed in doubles ? | 15:25 |
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| johnx | does the the hardware touchscreen do sub pixel accuracy? | 15:28 |
| glass | guardian: for drawing apps theres a lot of point | 15:28 |
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| aquatix | also, there are mice and tablets with a higher resolution than the screen displays | 15:34 |
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| guardian | makes sense | 15:38 |
| guardian | makes less sense for small touchscreen devices | 15:38 |
| aquatix | i guess the touchscreen also has higher res than the lcd | 15:38 |
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| aquatix | that's mostly the case | 15:38 |
| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:38 |
| aquatix | besides, Xomap is a partial port of x.org iirc, so why change all that stuff? | 15:39 |
| aquatix | programs/toolkits expect it | 15:39 |
| aquatix | morning SDuensin | 15:39 |
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| lopz | hola | 15:59 |
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| sune_ | hi peoples! is it possible to run old abi arm binaries on the n800 ? (is the right kernel bit set?) | 16:09 |
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| johnx | I can check the kernel .config to see, but a new kernel isn't that hard to compile | 16:10 |
| johnx | CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT=y | 16:11 |
| johnx | you're in luck I guess | 16:11 |
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| sune_ | johnx: thanks ;) | 16:14 |
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| sandyang | hi, good night | 16:37 |
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| henrique | is there some python module to work with berkeley db on maemo (chinook)? | 17:42 |
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| AStorm | hello :-) | 18:17 |
| AStorm | where do I get XChat for OS2008? (catalog) | 18:17 |
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| pupnik_ | one moment | 18:20 |
| AStorm | maemo extras? | 18:20 |
| pupnik_ | ~gronmayer? | 18:20 |
| infobot | i guess gronmayer is an index of maemo/ITOS repositories http://gronmayer.com/it | 18:20 |
| AStorm | :-) | 18:21 |
| pupnik_ | not sure it's in ther | 18:22 |
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| pusling | is there a way to stop the gui - or prevnt it from starting (on a n800) - killling Xomap seems to trigger a full reboot ;) | 18:26 |
| AStorm | sorry, not with default Maemo | 18:27 |
| AStorm | wait, you can switch X server | 18:28 |
| AStorm | e.g. use some Debian armel | 18:28 |
| X-Fade_ | pusling: You could disable liveguard reboots with a rd flag.. | 18:28 |
| AStorm | :> | 18:28 |
| AStorm | even beter | 18:28 |
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| pusling | X-Fade_: how ? (I feel pretty clueless afther having been 20 minutes at the device ;) | 18:28 |
| X-Fade_ | pusling: ./flasher-3.0 --help ;) | 18:29 |
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| X-Fade_ | pusling: The flasher can also set r&d flags on the device. No need to flash a new image with it.. | 18:30 |
| RyanE | Does the PyMaemo include curl? I keep getting 'libcurl' not found-type errors. Alternatively, is there a way to do socket calls? Also appears to be 'not found'. | 18:30 |
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| pusling | X-Fade_: I have set the generic rd flag with the flasher thingie. I guess I need to locate some docs on how to set different? flags ? | 18:31 |
| lmoura | RyanE, there's a python2.5-pycurl | 18:31 |
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| RyanE | it looked like that was installed in my scratchbox, but when I tried to code with it, it wasn't found. how can I tell if it's installed? | 18:32 |
| X-Fade_ | pusling: no-lifeguard-reset | 18:32 |
| lmoura | RyanE, dpkg -l | grep python2.5-pycurl | 18:32 |
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| X-Fade_ | pusling: --set-rd-flags no-lifeguard-reset to be exact.. | 18:33 |
| pusling | yeah. | 18:34 |
| RyanE | well, that'd be the problem. Not installed in my scratchbox. duh. | 18:34 |
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| pusling | X-Fade_: no - --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset | 18:34 |
| RyanE | lmoura: thanks. | 18:34 |
| lmoura | RyanE, no problem | 18:34 |
| X-Fade_ | pusling: no-retu-wd and no-omap-wd can be of help too. | 18:35 |
| X-Fade_ | pusling: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage/ | 18:35 |
| lmoura | RyanE, also make sure that the resolv.conf file is updated inside scratchbox, or pure python sockets won't work | 18:35 |
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| lmoura | I usually copy to both /scratchbox/etc/ and the target's /etc | 18:35 |
| AStorm | Does the default chat have a jabber contact list? | 18:36 |
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| AStorm | uhm, roster | 18:36 |
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| pygi | hey folks | 19:58 |
| pygi | does anyone know is it by any chance possible to switch discount code from austrian to german webshop? | 19:58 |
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| Cptnodegard | peple... do any of you know what photo viewer is shown at 1:05-> here? http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/ | 19:59 |
| Cptnodegard | if its a available one i mean | 20:00 |
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| konttori | It looks good | 20:09 |
| konttori | Ah. the photo viewer is quiver | 20:09 |
| * konttori likes canola more though | 20:09 | |
| jott | hm the opengl es part is even more interesting :) | 20:10 |
| konttori | well... n810 has the capability. so maybe they have something that allows to use it. | 20:11 |
| konttori | perhaps you should ask them? | 20:11 |
| konttori | there was email at the end of the video | 20:11 |
| jott | yeah, might be worse to ask if they give me their powervr drivers :) | 20:12 |
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| jott | worth | 20:12 |
| jott | .. | 20:12 |
| jott | hehe | 20:12 |
| jott | or it was just a software renderer.. | 20:12 |
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| konttori | could well be | 20:13 |
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| konttori | there has been opengl es software renderer for the n810 before as well | 20:14 |
| konttori | the speed in video didn't look very fast | 20:14 |
| konttori | not the kind of fast you would expect from opengl stuff. | 20:14 |
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| konttori | (HW) | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | Cptnodegard, forget the photoviewer - they say opengles is involved | 20:23 |
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| Cptnodegard | lcuk: which is? | 20:24 |
| lcuk | 3d rendering | 20:24 |
| Cptnodegard | oic | 20:24 |
| lcuk | they show it on the nokia (whales swimming) which is faster than any opengl i have seen on the device | 20:24 |
| lcuk | is it just possible they are finally enabling the pvr? | 20:24 |
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| Cptnodegard | dont ask me, i dont know shit :D | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | the software doesnt actually look all that advanced though - the nokia is not actually rendering the highres video - its just a remote control | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | the remote screen stuff can already be done with x11vnc and stuff and it is realtime | 20:25 |
| lcuk | lol Cptnodegard you know enough to find the link | 20:26 |
| Cptnodegard | and something i saw on youtube called mpc-whatever-something | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | excellent reporting - you should work for the bbc ;) | 20:27 |
| Cptnodegard | or engadget | 20:27 |
| Cptnodegard | "nokia remote control remote controls nokia style" | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | well i use my nokia as a remote control right now - i have a little proggy on nokia for volume playback and a daemon on my pc to translate for me | 20:28 |
| Cptnodegard | it was something i stubled over... it controlled vista media center | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | anyway - tea is more important - well spotted and thx for sharing | 20:28 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 20:28 |
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| AStorm | heh - how do I change osso-xterm font? | 20:54 |
| wom- | anyone having issue with irssi,osso-xterm and n810 and finnish keyboard. :) | 20:54 |
| AStorm | no issues here with german one | 20:54 |
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| wom- | a with dots and o with dots dont show correctly | 20:54 |
| wom- | i think irssi needs tweaking | 20:55 |
| Navi | AStorm, in the settings | 20:55 |
| AStorm | like, diese äöüÄÖÜ | 20:55 |
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| Navi | Tools -> Settings, then click on font settings | 20:55 |
| wom- | my problem is this å ä ö :) | 20:56 |
| AStorm | no, the default encoding is utf-8 | 20:56 |
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| lcdd | irssi can do the charset conversion, and so can screen | 20:57 |
| AStorm | how do i get rid of the bar when using the keyboard and still see keyboard state? | 20:57 |
| pupnik | WHEN will maemo and ITOS upgrade to gcc 4.x? | 20:58 |
| AStorm | wom-: they're correct | 20:58 |
| AStorm | pupnik: who cares? | 20:58 |
| pupnik | gcc 3.4 is broked | 20:58 |
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| AStorm | just build gcc 4 package yourself | 20:59 |
| AStorm | it's debian after all | 20:59 |
| pupnik | gcc 4.x built programs are incompatible | 20:59 |
| wom- | AStorm: dont work for me :) | 21:00 |
| AStorm | only c++ | 21:00 |
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| AStorm | wom-: heh, just set LC_ALL correctly | 21:01 |
| wom- | AStorm: i have to do that. it just funny to tweak these with every new linux device :) | 21:02 |
| AStorm | btw, where can i get some tool to mod keyboard layout? | 21:02 |
| AStorm | wom-: switch to UTF-8 and be done with it once and for all | 21:03 |
| wom- | yep, but shell that i am using is living in past | 21:04 |
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| AStorm | wom-: it should still support it | 21:08 |
| wom- | you are right | 21:08 |
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| wom- | and now it works :) | 21:09 |
| wom- | äö | 21:09 |
| argonel | so with dropbear installed, i'm trying to log in to ssh and can't.. connection closes after typing in my password. any ideas? | 21:10 |
| tharvey | greets - I'm investigating using the Nokia 810 platform and can't quite determine from OMAP2 specs if it has an FPU for floatingpoint - any confirmation? | 21:10 |
| argonel | s/in to/in with | 21:10 |
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| KotCzarny | tharvey: vfp i believe | 21:11 |
| tharvey | I couldn't confirm that either - I would assume a VFP would act like an FPU as far as gcc is concerned - anyone have any details on how many MFLOPS the 810 can do? | 21:12 |
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| KotCzarny | run a benchmark? | 21:12 |
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| tharvey | right - has anyone here run a benchmark like that? I don't have an 810 to run it on yet | 21:13 |
| pupnik | http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/46-N800-VFP-or-not-to-VFP.html | 21:14 |
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| tharvey | saw no mention here http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&contentId=4671 of a VFP or FPU - states its an ARM11 core but not exactly which ARM11 core | 21:15 |
| pupnik | arm1136j-s | 21:16 |
| tharvey | pupnik, for sure? that doesn't have the FPU unit | 21:16 |
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| KotCzarny | that's a gcc option | 21:17 |
| pupnik | oh | 21:17 |
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| pupnik | tharvey: you got some benchmark you want me to run? | 21:18 |
| argonel | where does the Notes application store its notes? | 21:18 |
| tharvey | what's a gcc option? | 21:18 |
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| tharvey | pupnik, ya if you could - let me see what would be easiest to build and run | 21:19 |
| n800music | hi | 21:19 |
| n800music | is there a dictionary for maemo? | 21:19 |
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| n800music | english to other? | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | i have compiled kcxlator | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:20 |
| tharvey | could anyone pastebin a dmesg output for me showing the kernel bootup on an N810? | 21:20 |
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| pupnik | dmesg doesn't give me boot messages | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | add dmesg > /tmp/dmesg.log early in rc2.d | 21:23 |
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| KotCzarny | tharvey: i believe dsp core could be usefull | 21:35 |
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| tharvey | i've seen reference to things like soft-float (float emulation) being sped up by a DSP but I'm not sure how one would take advantage of that with the OMAP2 - I would think you would need a specific library | 21:35 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 21:36 |
| KotCzarny | but still, free cycles | 21:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:36 |
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| Brains | Did somebody say free cycles? | 21:38 |
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| kulve | It's quite painful to use the dsp efficiently | 21:41 |
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| KotCzarny | no pain -- no gain | 21:43 |
| kulve | I believe there's not a single working useful open source dsp tasks around which probably tells something about the level of the difficulty | 21:44 |
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| argonel | i doubt difficulty is a barrier. more like bang for buck | 21:45 |
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| KotCzarny | more like learning curve | 21:45 |
| AStorm | tharvey: this OMAP has DSP instead | 21:45 |
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| h3sp4wn | Do any opensource things take advantage of the jazille things | 21:45 |
| h3sp4wn | (arm java accelerator) or is that just transparant | 21:46 |
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| lcuk | from what i udnerstand jazelle isnt used, but i might be wrong | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | as for using the dsp for things, there isnt much point until you have a function which needs mega power | 21:47 |
| lcuk | (processing power) | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | like mplayer | 21:48 |
| AStorm | init is too expensive? | 21:48 |
| lcuk | but the cpu itself is really good and can seemingly do most things efficiently - of course there are specific tasks the dsp works nicely for | 21:48 |
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| AStorm | (to use it as a FPU replacement) | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | free cycles! | 21:48 |
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| AStorm | witing a fpu lib using dsp would be nice | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | storm - i would be more inclined initially to try normal fpu, then drop to naked asm shifted ints, then to the SIMD instructions then after exhausting all that i would probably get a new machine before even thinking "hmmm maybe the dsp" ;) but all that may change soon | 21:49 |
| lcuk | thats actually a nice idea though, but beware - when the dsp is enabled the cpu slows down | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | atorm: actually (r)fft using dsp would be nice | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: only on unpatched kernel | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:50 |
| AStorm | yup, that "overclock" | 21:51 |
| lcuk | and its a seperate core so its not in sync with your normal cpu | 21:51 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: where’s the patch? | 21:51 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, again, same problem - work with what the majority have and assume they wont upgrade and you will get a system which everyone can use | 21:51 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm: it's a simple array replacement | 21:51 |
| AStorm | lcuk: that’s actually good | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | i can give you my file if you want | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: if upgrade is worth it, they will follow | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:52 |
| AStorm | ah, but itll reduce dsp power, right? | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | but you're not using dsp much | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | anyway | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:52 |
| AStorm | heh | 21:52 |
| lcuk | yes - to keep the cpu up at fullspeed you have to lower dsp and vice versa | 21:52 |
| AStorm | blah blah | 21:53 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm: do you prefer kernel or source file? | 21:53 |
| lcuk | it would be good to get a dsp library up and running | 21:53 |
| AStorm | dsp at fpu will be faster than cpu doing softfpu anyway | 21:53 |
| lcuk | whatever the speed.. | 21:53 |
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| lcuk | i thought we did have fpu hardware - if not that explains why my code with sqrt was slow ;) | 21:54 |
| AStorm | KotCzarny: later - now i have to write a few pointless things | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: have you seen article pupnik pasted? | 21:54 |
| lcuk | nope.. | 21:54 |
| lcuk | link? | 21:54 |
| KotCzarny | http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/46-N800-VFP-or-not-to-VFP.html | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | thx kot, all that rings a bell - i thought we had hardware but forgot it wasnt enabled :) all because of those damned 32bit opcodes (which incidentally are amazing if used properly) | 21:57 |
| KotCzarny | yeah.. | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | like dsp .. (which will amazing if used properly ;) | 21:58 |
| lcuk | it also explains why gcc still outputs branch instructions inline - if its thumb it has to | 21:58 |
| lcuk | and also like pvr (which will be amazing if used properly ;) | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't matter what, as long it improves overall performance | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:59 |
| Luria | there is an fpu? | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 21:59 |
| lcuk | tradeoff though isnt it - speed vs space | 21:59 |
| Luria | huh. | 21:59 |
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| KotCzarny | luria: but using it right now can be detrimental | 21:59 |
| Luria | why did they do pd anywhere integer based... | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | because most of the code is compiled for thumb | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | and switching cpu between thumb and vfp modes is slow | 22:00 |
| Luria | hmmmm | 22:00 |
| lcuk | thumb code = 16bit opcodes - smaller executable. hardware fp needs the full 32bit opcodes which take up more space | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | os2008HE (32bit) | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | that would be nice | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | any takers? | 22:01 |
| * Luria has pd on the brain, and in a background process | 22:01 | |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, it isnt so bad if you write a tight little loop which does LOTS of work in full opcode mode and then reverts back to thumb | 22:01 |
| Luria | anyone need a neat s/w chromatic guitar tuner with reference tones ? :-) | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | luria: i guess there will be audience ;) | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | not me though | 22:02 |
| keesj | Handy to tune my iphone air guitar! | 22:03 |
| lcuk | if you can use it to tune guitar hero stick then my son will have it off ya! | 22:03 |
| lcuk | lol keesj i was gonna ask if its multitouch ;) | 22:03 |
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| Luria | well it's multiplatform - written on osx, debugged on kubuntu, tweaked under windows :-) | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | running under symbian? | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:04 |
| AStorm | does vfp reduce battery life much? | 22:04 |
| Luria | http://gige.xdv.org/pda/hardware.php | 22:04 |
| Luria | no :-) | 22:04 |
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| KotCzarny | no love for symbian? :( | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:05 |
| Luria | maemo, tho. (though they dont seem to support the correct spelling) | 22:05 |
| pupnik | wow, actually using the dsp as a ... dsp | 22:05 |
| Luria | heh | 22:06 |
| pupnik | pardon me, i was stuck in scrollback | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:06 |
| Luria | which is funny, cause as i'm learning /playing with pd, i'm thining, how can i use this not for music? | 22:06 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | is code for mp3enc task open? | 22:07 |
| keesj | Luria: Meamo (Nokia Webpad) -> Mamona (Nokia Internet tablet) | 22:07 |
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| fysa | Luria: will that tuner work on a ukulele? ;) | 22:09 |
| Luria | yes | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | wow, another newyorker | 22:10 |
| Luria | manhattanite. | 22:10 |
| KotCzarny | metropolitanite | 22:10 |
| Luria | native at that. | 22:10 |
| Luria | fysa, yeah, its a simple chromatic tuner, i just tuned a E1 string on a bass at ~40hz... | 22:12 |
| fysa | where can I find it? | 22:12 |
| Luria | on my computer :-) | 22:12 |
| Luria | you want a copy? | 22:12 |
| fysa | aha | 22:12 |
| Luria | it was a way of learning the basics of puredata | 22:13 |
| fysa | send me a URL and I might check it out over the weekend | 22:13 |
| KotCzarny | and subliminal messages | 22:13 |
| Luria | yes. | 22:13 |
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| KotCzarny | his tones will reprogram you | 22:14 |
| Luria | it's stupidly simple, but actually useful. | 22:14 |
| fysa | I will generate a 60Hz tone so I can nap peacefully. | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | wasn't it under 8? | 22:15 |
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| KotCzarny | http://members.aol.com/networktcp/research/brain.htm | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 22:18 |
| fysa | that is the sound I play when the ladies visit | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | harley sound? | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:18 |
| fysa | the 60hz is for a childhood spent without a street light outside of my bedroom window ;) | 22:20 |
| fysa | er, with a street light | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | ah, electricity | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | in EU it's 50hz | 22:20 |
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| fysa | inflation :) | 22:20 |
| lcuk | and australia | 22:20 |
| lcuk | because of 50hz we got higher resolution displays :) | 22:21 |
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| lcuk | pal was much better than crappy ntsc ;) | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | it's all digital now | 22:21 |
| fysa | 'tis true | 22:21 |
| fysa | I used to run my Amiga in PAL modes from time to time. | 22:21 |
| lcuk | i ran in pal mode all the time | 22:21 |
| * KotCzarny run amiga in PAL modes all the time | 22:21 | |
| KotCzarny | (more screen estate) | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | and most games ran too fast | 22:22 |
| lcuk | ntsc looked crap ;) (im in the uk) | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | in ntsc | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:22 |
| fysa | interlacing was a wonderful thing.. | 22:22 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:22 |
| fysa | now it only causes anguish. | 22:22 |
| lcuk | on a 14 inch screen it was amazing, but it helped the opticians to make tonnes of money from me | 22:22 |
| lcuk | i eventually ran on a black and white high res monitor for ages | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 22:23 |
| * lcuk is not interested in color | 22:23 | |
| KotCzarny | composite output ruled | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | so.. undisturbed | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:24 |
| fysa | I never got to try one of the wonderfully chunky (non-planar) third-party graphics cards. | 22:24 |
| lcuk | i think think in planes | 22:25 |
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| lcuk | i remember seeing the chunky to planar functions and thinking how inelegent they were for the amiga | 22:26 |
| * lcuk drifts off on a paralax layer | 22:26 | |
| * KotCzarny distorts lcuk's registers | 22:26 | |
| fysa | I think ARexx was my first true love. | 22:27 |
| * KotCzarny used amos | 22:27 | |
| lcuk | arexx :) software designed to be interoperable by default | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | lack of internet and docs | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:27 |
| Luria | fwiw | 22:28 |
| Luria | http://www.lipstadt.com/projects/tuneup.1.zip | 22:28 |
| lcuk | i remember the swath of documentation which was supplier with the amiga - that more than anything in a time without internet helped to focus on the system | 22:28 |
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| Luria | please dont distribute tho - it needs some polish before i set it free | 22:29 |
| fysa | sur | 22:29 |
| fysa | sure thing | 22:29 |
| Luria | should run on pd .39 or later | 22:30 |
| Luria | you *will* almost certainly need to modify the adc~ argument | 22:31 |
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| Luria | probably just removing the 3 will do | 22:31 |
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| Luria | huh. 38.89 hz is odd. | 22:38 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, noBounds looks intriguing if even vaguely real. | 22:39 |
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| * KotCzarny remembers burning tweeters using amos syth generator written by himself | 22:39 | |
| KotCzarny | synth | 22:39 |
| shackan | cmos | 22:40 |
| Luria | im hitting close to the resonant frequency of something here. | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | resonance is fun | 22:41 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:41 |
| Luria | (didnt think these monitors could do 39hz. live and learn) | 22:41 |
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| KotCzarny | live and let burn | 22:42 |
| Luria | ever since i got this delta 1010 it's been fun. | 22:42 |
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| KotCzarny | today is pi's day | 22:45 |
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| Luria | yeah. just sent out a pi sms to my math peeps. | 22:46 |
| Jaffa | Something else is doing all the work on that noBounds stuff.\ | 22:46 |
| Luria | haha. because of the mix/normalization of the reference and line input along with the monitor mode on my sound card, the tuner is acting as a digital delay effect. heh. | 22:48 |
| tharvey | AStorm, how would my gcc compiled apps take advantage of floating point via DSP? Is that something gcc supports for this target? | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4233 | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:49 |
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| shackan | tharvey: no, gcc doesn't do the magic for you | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | it's more like distributed computing? | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | (over 2 cores :) | 22:51 |
| shackan | what 'it'? | 22:51 |
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| Luria | lol | 22:52 |
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| KotCzarny | sending data set and receiving results? | 22:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:52 |
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| shackan | somewhat | 22:52 |
| tharvey | so how would I perform float ops efficiently? | 22:52 |
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| Luria | sled p0wnage. | 22:53 |
| shackan | the first thing off my head would be to say "you don't" | 22:53 |
| Luria | tharvey, outsourcing! | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:53 |
| AStorm | rwhitby: no, there's no softfpu dsp lib yet | 22:54 |
| AStorm | or such a target | 22:54 |
| tharvey | ok, so for all intesive purposes OMAP2 doesn't have anything like an FPU that could be utilized? | 22:54 |
| tharvey | currently | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | vfp? | 22:55 |
| lcuk | yes, it has hardware fpu but you need to enable 32 bit mode. | 22:55 |
| tharvey | ARM1136JF-S has a VFP but not ARM1136J-S which is what I'm told the OMAP 2420 has | 22:55 |
| lcuk | would it be feasible to just create a math library using the hardware fp and see if it can be utilised | 22:55 |
| Luria | i think you mean "intents and purposes," though i guess the point of an fpu is [math] intensive purposes. | 22:55 |
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| tharvey | well, I'm trying to evaluate the N810 for use with a float intensive application | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | tharvey: does -mfpu=vfp generate code incompatible with vfp-less cpu? | 22:56 |
| lcuk | tharvey, i can tell you 100%, the n810 DOES NOT FLOAT. keep it away from water | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | tharvey: provide some code, i will benchmark it | 22:57 |
| Luria | lcuk, , http://www.otterbox.com/products/otterbox/3000/ | 22:57 |
| Luria | its a patch :-) | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | more like mod | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:58 |
| lcuk | ok, i will use it next time i am swimming the channel :D these things aren't insurable against shark attack are they? | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | who cares | 22:58 |
| tharvey | KotCzarny, thanks - I'm looking for some sort of simple floatingpoint benchmark that is easy to compile/run now | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | shark will be after you not nokia ;) | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | tharvey: anything that gcc can compile | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:59 |
| lcuk | just wait until i show it full flash running in a browser - it would soon stop gnawing at my leg and take interest | 22:59 |
| Luria | and then bite off your arm? | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | eheheh | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | all 3 arms | 23:00 |
| lcuk | look, heres a pic of a shark who wanted to borrow the guys nokia http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/13/wshark113.xml | 23:00 |
| Luria | oh i thought thats what he meant by leg | 23:00 |
| lcuk | sharks with nokia are like us - they are interested in thumb | 23:00 |
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| Luria | land is good. | 23:01 |
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| ssvb | tharvey: check http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp and look for VFP11 | 23:08 |
| ssvb | what kind of floating point operations do you want to do on the tablet? | 23:08 |
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| kulve | the vfp in the omap2420 doesn't seem to be very powerful, integer only optimized codecs (tremor, theora) seems to be fast as floating point versions. Or faster. | 23:12 |
| ssvb | kulve: that's not true, VFP is hard to optimize and gcc sometimes generates heavily suboptimal code | 23:13 |
| tharvey | ssvb, I don't know exactly - I'm just tasked with evaluating a couple of platforms - single precision I'm sure, but I don't know more about it yet | 23:13 |
| kulve | ssvb: well, at least the latter part of my sentence is true | 23:14 |
| ssvb | kulve: which one? | 23:14 |
| tharvey | I'm still not convinced that the 2420 even has the VFP - is it using the ARM1136JF-S core then, not the ARM1136J-S? | 23:14 |
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| kulve | ssvb: that tremor is faster that vorbis and integer theora is faster than the floating point version | 23:14 |
| ssvb | tharvey: it does have VFP | 23:15 |
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| kulve | yeah, that's a fact | 23:15 |
| lcuk | tharvey, if anyone would know it would be ssvb.. | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:15 |
| ssvb | kulve: ffvorbis is as fast as tremor in my tests, and has a very good potential for further optimizations | 23:15 |
| kulve | ssvb: I just checked whois ssvb and stop arguing with you :) | 23:16 |
| lcuk | lol - its not wrong to discuss things - if we did not test the boundaries we would not evolve | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | chicken | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | even bad point of view can be usefull | 23:17 |
| ssvb | kulve: VFP just has a very high latency, it can perform single precision floating point multiplication (and accumulation) on each cycle, but if the instructions are not scheduled properly and you want to use the result immediately in the next instruction, the pipeline will stall for 8 cycles | 23:19 |
| tharvey | ssvb, ok I'll take your word for it - so your indicating that gcc will use the VFP for float opts - you use a -mfp=vfp then? | 23:19 |
| ssvb | tharvey: '-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp' | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: what will happen without -mfloat-abi switch? | 23:21 |
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| ssvb | kulve: it all means that improperly scheduled code can perform 8x slower than optimal, it makes floating point performance heavily dependent on the compiler or the human who is writing code | 23:23 |
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| tharvey | thanks so much for the info | 23:23 |
| sc2 | i got an n800 and trying to boot it off mmc slot. after cloning internal over to card tar says there were some errors any ideas? | 23:24 |
| sc2 | using gnu tar not busybox tar | 23:24 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: I don't remember exactly, but if you miss the needed option, you will not get VFP instructions generated :) | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 23:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:25 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: you can always make a simple test program and check assembly output for various gcc options | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb:i usually just test the program as the whole.. | 23:27 |
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| lcuk | only problem is time | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | when compiled with different switches | 23:28 |
| * lcuk might make an automatic tester | 23:28 | |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: actually '-mfloat-abi=softfp' is the only needed (and required) option to use VFP | 23:35 |
| ssvb | from gcc man: softfp allows the generation of floating point instructions, but still uses the soft-float calling conventions | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | but wouldn't it need to know what fpu i use? | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | or is it cpu independent? | 23:37 |
| lcuk | gcc for target has default options knowing what you are building it for | 23:38 |
| lcuk | ? | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: depends on gcc config | 23:38 |
| lcuk | but when you are compiling in scratchbox targetting armel isnt that all pretty much setup | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | if it's true that whole itos was build without vfp then gcc will have vfp disabled too | 23:38 |
| KotCzarny | (by default) | 23:38 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: you can easily mix softfloat and vfp code (function arguments are still always passed to functions in integer ARM registers) | 23:48 |
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| n800music | hey | 23:49 |
| n800music | is jott's rotation thingy easy to install? | 23:49 |
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| n800music | i was always disappointed with the lack of rotation on n800 | 23:50 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | as simple as installing 2 debs and 1 kernel flash | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | less than 10min of work | 23:51 |
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| n800music | the second part i've never done | 23:51 |
| KotCzarny | works stable and fast | 23:51 |
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| KotCzarny | n800music: it's simple | 23:51 |
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| n800music | do i have to be root? | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | of course | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:52 |
| n800music | i've done that ince but i forgot how to | 23:52 |
| n800music | once* | 23:52 |
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| KotCzarny | astorm: join #kotc, nie mam zarejestrowanego nicka na freenode | 23:53 |
| AStorm | aha | 23:53 |
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