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| n800music | how do i become root? | 00:00 |
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| KotCzarny | install ssh server? :) | 00:01 |
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| n800music | i think i have it | 00:01 |
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| n800music | arent i sposed to type something in xterm? | 00:02 |
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| sc2 | sudo gainroot works too | 00:04 |
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| KotCzarny | xterm, ssh, it's nearly the same | 00:08 |
| n800music | Enable RD mode if you want to break your device | 00:09 |
| n800music | hehe | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | rd mode? what for? | 00:09 |
| n800music | sudo gainroot | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, bedtime | 00:09 |
| n800music | noooooooooo | 00:09 |
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| KotCzarny | bbl :) | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | http://sse2.net/rotate/ | 00:10 |
| n800music | noooooo | 00:10 |
| n800music | k | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | is all you need | 00:10 |
| KotCzarny | have fun :) | 00:10 |
| n800music | thanks | 00:10 |
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| kwan | hi, i have compiled and installed latest gstreamer on scratchbox and I was wondering if there's a way to package this to a debian package to install this on n800. Any pointers? | 00:38 |
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| webustany | hi there | 00:39 |
| webustany | I just installed latest scratchbox and maemo sdk with the scripts, on a 32 bits lenny | 00:39 |
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| webustany | I wanted to install maemo-explicit | 00:39 |
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| webustany | but osso-clocks fails at configure | 00:39 |
| webustany | saying it's not allowed to chgrp settimezone | 00:40 |
| webustany | is that a known error ? | 00:40 |
| kwan | i have seen that on mine, but didn't have trouble proceeding | 00:40 |
| webustany | well then osso-clock is not configured | 00:41 |
| webustany | and blocks other packages | 00:41 |
| webustany | I'm not really a dhcp guru, I'm used to rpm | 00:41 |
| webustany | so I'm discovering | 00:41 |
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| kwan | hmm... not being able to chgrp looks like more permission problem | 00:44 |
| kwan | rather than dhcp | 00:44 |
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| webustany | yes, it's a permission problem | 00:46 |
| webustany | but I can't figure it out | 00:46 |
| lcuk | have you tried sudo or fakeroot? | 00:46 |
| webustany | I'm using fakeroot I guess | 00:47 |
| webustany | all my files belong to the maemo user (me) | 00:47 |
| webustany | *all the files | 00:47 |
| christefano | happy Pi Day everyone | 00:47 |
| webustany | it's almost over for me :) | 00:47 |
| webustany | 13 min left | 00:47 |
| lcuk | happy steak&bj day you mean :D | 00:47 |
| webustany | so, some binaries belong to root | 00:47 |
| webustany | among them, settimezone | 00:47 |
| lcuk | i dunno, if you havent tried it give it a blast :) | 00:47 |
| webustany | what ? | 00:48 |
| webustany | sudo ? | 00:48 |
| lcuk | fakerootery | 00:48 |
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| shackan | faggotry | 00:48 |
| anders_gud | opengl-es! look at this: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/14/nokia-nobounds-projects-promises-full-hd-video-over-usb-or-wlan/ | 00:48 |
| webustany | I *am* using fakeroot | 00:49 |
| lcuk | anders_gud, seen it :D the whales made me smile | 00:49 |
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| webustany | actually I am using the standard install... | 00:49 |
| anders_gud | has lardman seen it? | 00:49 |
| lcuk | not sure | 00:49 |
| shackan | anders_gud: where does it mention openglES ? | 00:50 |
| anders_gud | logos in the movie... | 00:50 |
| anders_gud | at the end | 00:51 |
| lcuk | and show an anim running faster than i have seen ogl up to now | 00:51 |
| lcuk | i think i saw gears running at a pathetic speed, but this whale was deffo animated | 00:51 |
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| lcuk | oooh wait - hang on | 00:53 |
| anders_gud | they are using a smaller part of the screen on the 810, so it's possible that it's the mbx running | 00:53 |
| lcuk | anders_gud, watch it again - they spin a city view first on the big screen - then they show it together - the city has 2 buildings instead of the 100 or so in big | 00:53 |
| lcuk | this is still using base models - it appears to be a much more simlplified view | 00:54 |
| anders_gud | yeah i saw that... | 00:54 |
| lcuk | and theres only 2 whales on the run | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: yeah, I'd spotted that | 00:54 |
| lcuk | its not using the pvr | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | There's almost certainly another processing unit involved externally. | 00:54 |
| lcuk | no way would it need reduction | 00:54 |
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| lcuk | yes, the hd video is being served and decoded direct from the pc - its just essentially mirrored software | 00:55 |
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| shackan | anders_gud: OMG! | 00:55 |
| lcuk | the pic viewer looks interesting though - it appears to be sdl though because it judders | 00:55 |
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| Jaffa | Which, either makes it 1) a proof of concept showing what a theoretical future device could do (the PC in your pocket idea), or 2) it's not actually going to be practical as you'll lug around a laptop to do all the heavy work, and then it's just a VNC connection ;-). A small USB -> VGA/S-Video device with drivers would be cool, tho' | 00:56 |
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| Jaffa | It seems ITT is being /.ed | 00:57 |
| Jaffa | (metaphorically, at least) | 00:57 |
| lcuk | damn, i just went looking for the article | 00:57 |
| lcuk | hey - i just rewatched that whale bit - its not even in sync or even same anim... | 00:58 |
| Jaffa | nope | 00:58 |
| lcuk | charletons! | 00:59 |
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| tharvey | can anyone tell me what wifi chip/driver is being used on the N810? | 00:59 |
| Jaffa | At /best/ I think we might be looking at a USBVGA dongle and drivers for the wifi projectors and stuff that exist (but I've never seen in practice). I suspect the rest is like a concept car at a motor show | 00:59 |
| ds3 | USB->VGA devices exists and are cheap | 00:59 |
| Jaffa | ds3: indeed, I wasn't suggesting they were new. | 00:59 |
| pupnik | not cheap | 01:00 |
| pupnik | well, not here | 01:00 |
| anders_gud | I still hope the mbx is running the external | 01:00 |
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| Jaffa | And rare. An official dongle (in fact, any official after-sales hardware) would be a step up from Nokia | 01:01 |
| pupnik | agree | 01:01 |
| lcuk | anders_gud, why would they use the mbx for external and not for internal? | 01:01 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: aren't there pipeline issues with the use of the external framebuffer? | 01:01 |
| ds3 | pupnik: is $53USD too much? | 01:01 |
| lcuk | jaffa - nahhh something just doesn't add up about all that - even at worst case we could still get frames out faster than having to do it all in software | 01:02 |
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| pupnik | 75 dollars in germany | 01:03 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: money'll be the main reason, any technical problems are an excuse not to spend the money ;-) | 01:03 |
| lcuk | its gotta be nokia politics | 01:03 |
| lcuk | yer agreed | 01:03 |
| * Jaffa wonders how things would be different if Nokia did to Maemo and the NIT hardware what Psion did to Symbian, Acorn did to ARM, Ford did with Visteon etc. | 01:04 | |
| Jaffa | Spin them out as a separate company where the success of the company is solely dependent on the success of the device. | 01:04 |
| derf | It would run Windows. | 01:05 |
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| ds3 | pupnik: donno how much VAT/duties are but - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4838 for $52.93 w/free shipping | 01:06 |
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| pupnik | ds3: i take it back, that's not expensive | 01:07 |
| pupnik | you're right | 01:07 |
| ds3 | i just wish they offer a simple NTSC out on those | 01:09 |
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| Luria | lcuk, steak and bj? youve been reading /. dotdotdot | 01:15 |
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| leo2007 | it seems n810 need a good pim | 02:36 |
| Navi | Pimlico | 02:36 |
| Navi | Just needs syncing, which is in progress | 02:37 |
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| leo2007 | i see | 02:39 |
| leo2007 | however, it seems to look better in openmoko | 02:40 |
| Navi | nah | 02:41 |
| Navi | Personally, I've never been a fan of the openmoko look | 02:41 |
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| leo2007 | what's the main use of n810 besides internet | 02:42 |
| Navi | the pimlico stuff looks like any other hildon app | 02:42 |
| Navi | GPS? | 02:44 |
| Navi | Music? | 02:44 |
| Navi | Your choice on how to use it | 02:44 |
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| putterson | Does anybody have a clue why usbcontrol doesn't work on my N810? | 02:59 |
| putterson | or rather host mode | 02:59 |
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| Jaffa | putterson: what are you trying to plug in? | 03:02 |
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| putterson | Jaffa, a usb drive | 03:04 |
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| putterson | But the thing is that the controller won't go into host mode. with usbcontrol it just stays at b_idle | 03:06 |
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| putterson | and if I echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode then cat it back it stays at b_idle | 03:10 |
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| Tama^2 | putterson: is it externally powered? | 03:33 |
| putterson | Tama^2, the usb drive? | 03:33 |
| Tama^2 | if it draws more than 100ma it will not work | 03:33 |
| Tama^2 | yes | 03:33 |
| putterson | It is not externally powered but I do not think that is the problem. | 03:33 |
| putterson | My controller wont go into host mode | 03:33 |
| putterson | it stays at b_idle | 03:33 |
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| Tama^2 | mmm I am afraid I cannot help with that, do not know enough | 03:34 |
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| pupnik | how many mA does the human body use? | 03:36 |
| Tama^2 | O.o | 03:37 |
| * pupnik is in b_idle too | 03:38 | |
| Tama^2 | I was unaware humans were capable of 'using' electric current as nourishment xD | 03:38 |
| pupnik | well watts | 03:40 |
| pupnik | calories -> joules -> watts eh | 03:40 |
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| Jaffa | Gah, I'm in that "too tired to go to bed" state | 03:48 |
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| pupnik | anybody want to work on pocketSNES? | 04:10 |
| pupnik | :/ | 04:10 |
| pupnik | i got it running | 04:10 |
| pupnik | just tired too... | 04:10 |
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| johnx | hmm, I can reliably cause my N800 to lose it's wireless connection by sending large amounts of data with scp | 04:16 |
| zodman | exist some process to remove my SD memory from n800 ? like unmount ? | 04:16 |
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| johnx | umount /media/mmc1 | 04:17 |
| johnx | thought normally it will unmount when you open the cover | 04:17 |
| Tama^2 | it is done automatically when you open the battery cover or the external slot | 04:17 |
| Tama^2 | johnx: interesting, but not good! | 04:18 |
| johnx | yeah I know :/ | 04:18 |
| zodman | mmmm not the memory near of battery | 04:18 |
| zodman | another slot bottom n800 | 04:18 |
| johnx | do you have a swap file on the card? is a program accessing the card when you open the cover? | 04:19 |
| zodman | nop | 04:19 |
| johnx | then I don't know. it really should automatically unmount when you open either of the covers... | 04:20 |
| johnx | and if it fails to unmount it should pop up an error message | 04:20 |
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| * zodman googlin manual | 04:22 | |
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| MipsIrv | is there an easy way to tell if a binary is using soft floats or hardware fp? | 05:00 |
| ds3 | disassemble it and look for instructions | 05:00 |
| MipsIrv | know a float op off the top of your head? | 05:01 |
| ds3 | no but I am sure the ARM ARM would ;) | 05:01 |
| MipsIrv | ahh.. i see it stfd | 05:03 |
| MipsIrv | i was reading an article.. apparently a guy completely rebuilt the maemo image using the vfp | 05:03 |
| MipsIrv | to summarize his results.. binaries were larger and took a little more memory.. but the improvement in speed was quite significant | 05:04 |
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| pupnik | depends on what U talkin bout | 05:13 |
| pupnik | i think it was libcairo that got a boost | 05:13 |
| pupnik | i'm sooo going to be a pest now... i can just tell | 05:14 |
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| pupnik | does anybody want to finish porting DrPocketSnes? :) | 05:14 |
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| Navi | Lol | 05:16 |
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| dospod | hey | 05:32 |
| Navi | hi | 05:33 |
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| dospod | any1 check out stella | 05:33 |
| pupnik | hows it working for you dospod ? | 05:38 |
| dospod | freakn swee | 05:38 |
| dospod | t | 05:39 |
| pupnik | glad to hear it :) | 05:39 |
| dospod | played ms pac man like all day at school | 05:39 |
| Navi | lol | 05:39 |
| pupnik | that was a pretty good one | 05:39 |
| dospod | the ghost graphics would flicker but its somethin that happened on my dads atari | 05:40 |
| pupnik | yep | 05:40 |
| pupnik | with a bluetooth keyboard you can also do two player | 05:40 |
| pupnik | a little awkward but still | 05:40 |
| Navi | or a wiimote | 05:40 |
| pupnik | gotta try that someday | 05:40 |
| * Navi should try a gamepad too | 05:40 | |
| dospod | none of my friends like atari | 05:41 |
| Navi | I don't blame them | 05:41 |
| dospod | dude atari ftw | 05:41 |
| dospod | im glad my parents saved their atari | 05:41 |
| pupnik | i love how most of those games are only 4096 bytes | 05:41 |
| MipsIrv | anyone know where to get the chinook kernel source? maemo page appears to be incorrect or out of date | 05:41 |
| Navi | while it was great in it's time, nowadays it's just a collection of repetitive games | 05:42 |
| dospod | fuck halo, tanks :] | 05:42 |
| dospod | ii cant wait for dr pocket snes :] | 05:43 |
| pupnik | me too | 05:43 |
| Navi | OoT 'em | 05:43 |
| pupnik | it loads roms now | 05:43 |
| pupnik | so at least there's progress | 05:44 |
| dospod | :] | 05:44 |
| dospod | chrono triggerr | 05:44 |
| dospod | earth bound | 05:44 |
| dospod | ff | 05:44 |
| Navi | I love earth bound | 05:44 |
| dospod | mario kart | 05:44 |
| dospod | and mario all stars:] | 05:45 |
| Navi | I'm pissed that modern RPGs haven't learned from them, namely, the *if you're strong enough you don't have to waste time with a crappy fighting scene* | 05:45 |
| dospod | and with vgba we got pokemon,advance wars, ff, fire emblem,golden sun | 05:45 |
| Navi | how well do they run? | 05:46 |
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| dospod | playable | 05:47 |
| Navi | mmk | 05:47 |
| dospod | but conntrols are weird | 05:47 |
| dospod | a and b are in the center of the screen | 05:47 |
| dospod | but really playable | 05:48 |
| pupnik | that fms guy wrote one of the first NES emulators ever | 05:48 |
| dospod | even with sound, and i bet with nossounds its close to perfect | 05:49 |
| pupnik | what are good gba rpgs dospod ? | 05:49 |
| dospod | the ff remake with ff1 and 2 | 05:50 |
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| dospod | fire emblem is ok | 05:50 |
| dospod | pokemon | 05:50 |
| pupnik | ironic how square called it 'final fantasy' cause they thought they were going out of business with the rpgs | 05:51 |
| dospod | ff tactics | 05:51 |
| Navi | pupnik, meh | 05:51 |
| dospod | golden sun is cool | 05:51 |
| Navi | they poured the last of their money into that last game | 05:52 |
| dospod | zelda minish cap is fun but short | 05:52 |
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| pupnik | cool thanks | 05:52 |
| Navi | ZMC is the best iteration of the Zelda series | 05:52 |
| dospod | thatts all i can think of now | 05:52 |
| dospod | zmc was fun | 05:52 |
| dospod | so was twillight zone | 05:52 |
| Navi | I don't like any of the 3D zeldas | 05:53 |
| dospod | tz was fun, but the 2d seem more fun | 05:54 |
| pupnik | gotta be an rpg or something for me though. with that dpad | 05:57 |
| pupnik | some platformers are doable too | 05:58 |
| Navi | I need to set up cwiid | 05:58 |
| Navi | but since I can't really play games 'till next friday, I haven't the motivation | 05:58 |
| pupnik | is there a wiimote controller with a more normal shape? | 05:59 |
| Navi | well, there's the classic controller add-on | 05:59 |
| Navi | which looks a bit like the snes pad | 05:59 |
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| Navi | slightly more comfy though | 05:59 |
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| pupnik | i figure i'd want something like those usb controllers | 06:00 |
| pupnik | two-thumb action with shoulder buttons | 06:00 |
| pupnik | but the bt keyboard works pretty well imo | 06:00 |
| tank-man | ps3 gamepad is bluetooth too | 06:01 |
| Navi | It's not bad, two analog, one dpad, four buttons, two analog shoulders with digital click, and two digital shoulders | 06:01 |
| dospod | i cant wait for the youtube canola plugin | 06:02 |
| pupnik | mytube works pretty well for me | 06:02 |
| pupnik | need to be able to search by date tho | 06:02 |
| Navi | Eh, if I were going to tote around a remote as big as a SIXAXIS, I'd bring the 360 controller | 06:02 |
| dospod | it is but the ui is left to be desired | 06:02 |
| tank-man | 360 isnt bluetooth | 06:03 |
| Navi | USB, though | 06:03 |
| dospod | i wish gtk gnutella was hildoonized for os2008 | 06:04 |
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| iDS | hi guys | 06:05 |
| iDS | morning | 06:05 |
| iDS | guys | 06:05 |
| dospod | hey | 06:05 |
| iDS | i want to install os2008 | 06:05 |
| dospod | u mean gnight llol | 06:05 |
| iDS | on my new n800 os 2007 | 06:05 |
| iDS | tell me is it easy? | 06:06 |
| iDS | and don't have any problem? | 06:06 |
| iDS | that's here http://www.nokia.com/OS2008 | 06:06 |
| pupnik | works fine here | 06:06 |
| dospod | it is a easy process | 06:07 |
| pupnik | i was nervous too first time :) | 06:07 |
| pupnik | ... flashing the device | 06:07 |
| iDS | yes me too i am nervous now | 06:07 |
| iDS | dospod | 06:08 |
| iDS | look here | 06:09 |
| iDS | is this? http://www.nokia.com.my/A4791132 | 06:09 |
| pupnik | i'm off.... doing some 'quality control' testing of a new Emu :P | 06:09 |
| iDS | yes? | 06:09 |
| iDS | tell me it can work here | 06:09 |
| iDS | cos i am very nervous now | 06:10 |
| iDS | i bought my n800 on yesterday | 06:10 |
| iDS | and want to do this now! | 06:10 |
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| dospod | yea thats the place for the update and is easy | 06:10 |
| dospod | pupnik what emu | 06:11 |
| iDS | ok so i just need to follow the no.4 : Follow the instructions on screen to complete the software update. | 06:11 |
| iDS | takes about 20 mins! | 06:11 |
| iDS | tell me i must take off my sdhc card? | 06:11 |
| dospod | u can keep the card in and it can take up to 20 but its never lasted longer than 2 min for me | 06:13 |
| iDS | oh | 06:13 |
| iDS | tell me where is 0s2008? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php or http://www.nokia.com.my/A4791132 | 06:13 |
| iDS | which one>? | 06:13 |
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| iDS | please reply | 06:15 |
| iDS | by the way canola 2 is available on os 2008 too yes? | 06:16 |
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| tank-man | in beta i think | 06:18 |
| dospod | yea beta6 works clean | 06:20 |
| iDS | tnx | 06:20 |
| iDS | what is it? To check the version number of the current software on your device, tap on the Application menu, and select Tools > Control panel > About product. | 06:20 |
| iDS | i need it for update? | 06:20 |
| dospod | the tablet.dev.nokia is the right one | 06:20 |
| iDS | nono for update tell me | 06:21 |
| iDS | i can update my os2007 to os2008 with my pc yes | 06:22 |
| iDS | only my pc and the tool Nokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe | 06:22 |
| iDS | Nokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe yes? | 06:22 |
| iDS | i need only this>? | 06:22 |
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| iDS | please reply i want to do this now | 06:23 |
| dospod | yes that should be it | 06:24 |
| doc|home | anyone having trouble upgrading ssh-common,-client and -server? | 06:25 |
| iDS | i don't need any product code for update??????????????/ | 06:25 |
| dospod | it might ask for it | 06:26 |
| iDS | official utility for flashing the N800 found at http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe | 06:29 |
| iDS | or something else? | 06:29 |
| dospod | download that | 06:33 |
| iDS | ok and use only that now! :D | 06:38 |
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| iDS | :D | 07:07 |
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| iDS | 3.207.10.7 | 07:08 |
| iDS | this is my n800 version | 07:08 |
| iDS | ready for upgrade to os 2008? | 07:08 |
| iDS | yes? | 07:08 |
| iDS | ? | 07:11 |
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| cLin | hi guys | 07:12 |
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| iDS | my n800 is switch on and connected to usb and i see the usb on the top of right sise | 07:15 |
| iDS | but not happened? | 07:15 |
| Tama^2 | HI iDS | 07:15 |
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| iDS | hi | 07:15 |
| Tama^2 | have you started the flasher app? | 07:15 |
| Tama^2 | that has to be running first | 07:15 |
| iDS | yes 0s 2007 to os 2008 | 07:15 |
| iDS | 3.207.10.7 is my number | 07:16 |
| Tama^2 | are you using the nokia updater for windows? | 07:16 |
| iDS | yes windows | 07:16 |
| Tama^2 | ok | 07:16 |
| iDS | it found the n800 hardware | 07:16 |
| iDS | usb is ok | 07:16 |
| cLin | for the autocomplete when using the stylus keyboard, is there a way to make the words show on the right side, to right of the spacebar rather then left? | 07:16 |
| Tama^2 | on the PC it tells you to turn on the tablet? | 07:16 |
| Tama^2 | cLin: not that I know of | 07:17 |
| iDS | guys | 07:17 |
| Tama^2 | basically you have to connect the USB cable form the PC to the N800 | 07:17 |
| Tama^2 | when the N800 is OFF | 07:17 |
| iDS | it said | 07:17 |
| iDS | n800 is on and i can see only logo with usb sign | 07:17 |
| Tama^2 | then turn the N800 ON while pressing the 'home' button | 07:17 |
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| iDS | the update server could not authenticate you because your windows clock is not on time | 07:18 |
| iDS | what is it? | 07:19 |
| Tama^2 | lol | 07:19 |
| iDS | i am useing Nokia_Internet_Tablet_Software_Update_Wizard.exe | 07:19 |
| iDS | what's that mean? clock? | 07:19 |
| Tama^2 | make sure your PS's clock is correcdt | 07:19 |
| Tama^2 | s/correcdt/correct | 07:19 |
| iDS | yes clock is 8:50 am here | 07:19 |
| Tama^2 | the timezone has to be right too | 07:20 |
| iDS | what can i do now? | 07:20 |
| Tama^2 | restart form the beginning? | 07:21 |
| iDS | it wants set windows clock to correct time | 07:21 |
| iDS | ok restart again | 07:21 |
| iDS | 1 min | 07:23 |
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| iDS | i have clock problem | 07:26 |
| iDS | what can i do? please guide me | 07:27 |
| iDS | i got it | 07:27 |
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| iDS | hi | 07:31 |
| iDS | guys again | 07:31 |
| iDS | ok 1 thing | 07:31 |
| iDS | it needs to insert off my sdhc from that? | 07:31 |
| iDS | in the while of upgrading | 07:31 |
| iDS | ? | 07:31 |
| iDS | yes? | 07:31 |
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| iDS | ? | 07:35 |
| iDS | working now | 07:37 |
| unique311 | iDS what is your native language? | 07:37 |
| iDS | farsi | 07:38 |
| unique311 | so did you upgrade yet? | 07:39 |
| iDS | i am updating latest version 2008se_2.2007-51_3 | 07:39 |
| unique311 | cool | 07:39 |
| iDS | :D | 07:39 |
| iDS | time left 123 mins wow | 07:39 |
| unique311 | its really simple when using the windows updater | 07:40 |
| unique311 | dialup? | 07:40 |
| iDS | no adsl 200 | 07:40 |
| iDS | anyway guys it is perfect? | 07:40 |
| iDS | right? | 07:40 |
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| iDS | YES? | 07:47 |
| iDS | well it doesn't need other levels | 07:48 |
| iDS | like add the product number... | 07:48 |
| iDS | please reply me | 07:48 |
| Tama^3 | I do not understand what the problem you are having is | 07:49 |
| Tama^3 | what is your native language? | 07:50 |
| Navi | Tama^3 /= Tama | 07:50 |
| Navi | :o | 07:50 |
| Tama^3 | :O | 07:50 |
| iDS | Tama^3 | 07:53 |
| iDS | it is downloading and then will go for updating | 07:53 |
| iDS | just this yes? | 07:53 |
| Tama^3 | yes, it should do that | 07:53 |
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| n800music | is it possible to install apps on mmc1 or 2? | 09:27 |
| johnx | not easily | 09:27 |
| n800music | a shame | 09:29 |
| n800music | how not easily | 09:29 |
| johnx | well the easiest way to do it is to flash a custom initfs and boot from an sd card | 09:29 |
| johnx | google for "maemo root on sd" | 09:30 |
| n800music | yeah that is beyond me | 09:30 |
| BugBlue | just extract everything and use ln -s | 09:31 |
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| n800music | i'm not trying to do it now | 09:32 |
| n800music | just curious | 09:32 |
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| n800music | since ihave 16 gb on cards | 09:32 |
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| pupnik | Hans-Hermann Hoppe is more or less an asskicking thinker | 09:55 |
| pupnik | http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=showname&ID=164 | 09:55 |
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| iDS | ummm | 10:00 |
| iDS | where is canola 2? | 10:00 |
| iDS | for os 2008? | 10:00 |
| iDS | my upgrade is finished | 10:01 |
| Tama^3 | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/ | 10:01 |
| iDS | i am looking for canola there but couldn't find it | 10:01 |
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| iDS | Tama^3 | 10:01 |
| Tama^3 | :P | 10:01 |
| iDS | it isn't with update? | 10:01 |
| iDS | my update to os 2008 is finished | 10:01 |
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| Tama^2 | does not come with the OS | 10:02 |
| iDS | brb | 10:02 |
| iDS | oh ok | 10:02 |
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| Italodance | ok hello again | 10:29 |
| Italodance | aggg | 10:29 |
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| iDS | well | 10:29 |
| iDS | os 2008 is finished | 10:29 |
| iDS | but i couldn't find canola 2 there? | 10:29 |
| iDS | ? | 10:30 |
| johnx | canola2 is here: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/ | 10:31 |
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| leo2007 | is pimlico a project sponsored by nokia? | 10:37 |
| iDS | but 1 problem | 10:38 |
| johnx | leo2007, I don't believe so | 10:39 |
| iDS | i don't have internet connection for my n800 tablet | 10:39 |
| iDS | how can i install canola now? | 10:39 |
| johnx | ok, honestly it's really hard to install apps without internet access. maybe you setup usb networking and let your n800 share your desktop's internet connection | 10:41 |
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| iDS | yes | 10:43 |
| johnx | what operating system does your desktop run? | 10:43 |
| johnx | windows, mac os, linux? | 10:43 |
| iDS | xp sp2 prof | 10:44 |
| iDS | how can i do setup usb networking ? | 10:44 |
| johnx | first, go here: http://nitapps.com/ download easyroot. it's a .deb file. copy that to your tablet and install it | 10:45 |
| iDS | ok 1 min please | 10:45 |
| iDS | easyroot | 10:46 |
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| eichi_ | can i use the extended SD card with ext2 ? | 10:46 |
| johnx | eichi_, yes | 10:46 |
| iDS | it is only 1 kb | 10:46 |
| johnx | that sounds right | 10:47 |
| johnx | it's a very simple program | 10:47 |
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| eichi_ | johnx, out of the box? | 10:48 |
| johnx | yeah, the kernel has ext2/3 support | 10:48 |
| iDS | yes but johnx, easyroot is only 1 kb and i do transfer it to my n800 now and install? | 10:48 |
| johnx | yes | 10:49 |
| iDS | ok sec p | 10:49 |
| iDS | ok and? | 10:50 |
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| iDS | johnx easyroot is installed on my n800 os 2008 | 10:52 |
| iDS | and? | 10:52 |
| johnx | yeah, give me a sec | 10:52 |
| johnx | I have to figure this out as I go | 10:52 |
| iDS | ok tnx | 10:52 |
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| eichi_ | johnx, now the maemo filemanager give me a "unable to open" | 10:53 |
| eichi_ | i did mkfs -t ext2 /dev/sdc on my laptop with the sd card | 10:54 |
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| johnx | uhm...you probably wanted to just format the partition, not the whole device | 10:54 |
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| eichi_ | okay, i try | 10:54 |
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| eichi_ | johnx, hm, now i did one primary partition with ext2, but again unable to open | 10:57 |
| johnx | eichi_, try opening up an xterm on the tablet and seeing if the ext2 kernel module is loaded | 10:58 |
| eichi_ | i have problems gaining root with os2008 :( how can i do that? | 10:59 |
| eichi_ | sudo gainroot was with the 2007 | 11:00 |
| johnx | install easyroot from nitapps.com | 11:00 |
| johnx | then type root | 11:00 |
| iDS | ok? | 11:00 |
| iDS | oh not me | 11:01 |
| iDS | i am here johnx | 11:01 |
| johnx | I know...I'm still trying to figure out the easiest way to do this on windows. I run Linux here so I'm trying to learn as I go | 11:01 |
| iDS | yes friend | 11:01 |
| iDS | by the way python2.5 runtime is include python2.5-readline? | 11:02 |
| eichi_ | yes lsmod says ext2 is loaded | 11:03 |
| johnx | eichi_, can you mount it from the terminal: | 11:03 |
| johnx | ? | 11:03 |
| eichi_ | mom | 11:03 |
| eichi_ | it is mounted... | 11:04 |
| eichi_ | touch test && ls give me "test" | 11:06 |
| eichi_ | it works | 11:06 |
| johnx | yay | 11:06 |
| eichi_ | only the filemanager seems to s*ck a bit | 11:06 |
| eichi_ | lol, the fielmanager works too. it only gives me all the time a "unable to open" message. message seems to start without a reason | 11:07 |
| eichi_ | i will try to use emelFM2 anyway | 11:08 |
| johnx | iDS, I need to leave for now. Maybe I will be on later. See if you can figure it out. good luck | 11:10 |
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| iDS | oh :( | 11:10 |
| iDS | just friend | 11:10 |
| iDS | is there a website for download | 11:11 |
| iDS | n800 os 2008 007 tools | 11:11 |
| iDS | and of course with my pc and no with my tablet | 11:11 |
| eichi_ | downloads.maemo.org iDS ? | 11:12 |
| iDS | no i have only internet on my pc now and not for tablet | 11:12 |
| iDS | i want to download tools with my pc connection | 11:12 |
| eichi_ | hm, thats not common | 11:15 |
| eichi_ | internet table without internet..sorry if i smile ;D | 11:15 |
| eichi_ | downloading a exe and install it is not the linux way. you need internet connection | 11:16 |
| iDS | yes i understand u but at this moment i can't | 11:16 |
| iDS | how can i use my pc internet for n800? | 11:16 |
| eichi_ | you need wlan stick making an access point maybe | 11:17 |
| aquatix | or over bluetooth pan | 11:17 |
| eichi_ | maybe is there a usb way too?! | 11:17 |
| eichi_ | or bluetooth yes | 11:17 |
| iDS | yes how is the usb way? please guide | 11:17 |
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| iDS | someone has Bluetooth Radar? | 11:18 |
| iDS | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/btradar/ it is empty there | 11:18 |
| iDS | ? | 11:23 |
| aquatix | i don't see files there either | 11:28 |
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| iDS | aquatix | 11:30 |
| iDS | how can i install games? | 11:30 |
| iDS | look here https://garage.maemo.org/search/?type_of_search=full&group_id=52&words=mplayer&Search=Search | 11:30 |
| iDS | i am seeing 2 files .deb and .gz | 11:30 |
| iDS | i downloaded them in my pc | 11:30 |
| iDS | and move to my n800 | 11:30 |
| iDS | now how can i install?? | 11:31 |
| iDS | ???????? | 11:32 |
| iDS | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/descent2/ | 11:32 |
| iDS | yes there | 11:32 |
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| iDS | can someone help me? | 11:41 |
| iDS | how can i find sw.grp and sw.rts? | 11:42 |
| iDS | help please | 11:43 |
| aquatix | sorry, i'm really busy | 11:43 |
| iDS | just | 11:44 |
| iDS | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17420 | 11:44 |
| iDS | i installed http://pupnik.de/shadowwarrior_1.2-3.deb to my n800 | 11:44 |
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| iDS | but it didn't run | 11:44 |
| iDS | :( | 11:44 |
| iDS | what is it Create a directory /media/mmc[1-2]/share/sw and put sw.grp, sw.rts in there??????? | 11:44 |
| iDS | i don't understand | 11:45 |
| iDS | sorry i bought my n800 yesterday | 11:45 |
| iDS | and don't know nothing yet | 11:45 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:05 |
| christefano | yo | 12:06 |
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| iDS | nobody like me :'''( | 12:08 |
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| keesj | ids intrusion detection system | 12:28 |
| keesj | of course nobody likes you | 12:29 |
| keesj | Hi Jaffa | 12:29 |
| qwerty12 | Muhahaha, I'm bored, my computer is taking a long time to copy from scratchbox image and combined with the fact it took me ages to get a copy of vmware and my internet is slow under linux :( | 12:32 |
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| unique311 | iDS, http://www.gronmayer.com/it | 12:42 |
| unique311 | install the chinook repositories | 12:42 |
| unique311 | and you should be good to go after that. | 12:42 |
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| aquatix | unique311: except that he doesn't have internet on his n800 and tries all kinds of weird stuff :) | 12:52 |
| unique311 | i wish i spoke a little farsi. | 12:52 |
| unique311 | to help him out... | 12:53 |
| aquatix | ah | 12:53 |
| aquatix | that would help i guess | 12:54 |
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| x-demon | Hi all | 12:56 |
| x-demon | anyone tried use usb joystick on OS2008? | 12:57 |
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| tripolo | hi | 13:01 |
| x-demon | just wanna normal gamepad =) | 13:01 |
| tripolo | please help | 13:01 |
| tripolo | where is kismet for nokia 770 with so2007 he? | 13:02 |
| x-demon | huh? compile it... | 13:02 |
| tripolo | sorry, i don,t | 13:03 |
| tripolo | i don,t compile | 13:03 |
| tripolo | :( | 13:03 |
| iDS | unique311 hi dude i am here now | 13:03 |
| x-demon | hold on | 13:03 |
| tripolo | kismet for os 2006 fun in 2007 he? | 13:03 |
| unique311 | iDS, considering you don't have no wireless connection going, I don't know how to help you. | 13:04 |
| iDS | ummm i think to buy a wifi adaptor for my pc | 13:04 |
| unique311 | but you can still go to the gronmayer site and add the repos. | 13:04 |
| x-demon | huh? gronmayer's site is down... | 13:05 |
| iDS | and then n800 can work? | 13:05 |
| unique311 | x-demon, no | 13:05 |
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| x-demon | oh | 13:05 |
| unique311 | its taking a while to load now. | 13:05 |
| unique311 | maybe it is down | 13:06 |
| x-demon | is 32 gigs SD working with n800 (wanna clone os to it) | 13:06 |
| unique311 | its working | 13:06 |
| iDS | unique311 tell me how can i share my pc internet to my n800? | 13:06 |
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| unique311 | you should be googling for that answer. | 13:06 |
| x-demon | unique311, did you know smthn about joypads on n800? | 13:07 |
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| iDS | unique311 | 13:07 |
| iDS | look here http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17420 | 13:08 |
| Tama^2 | you may have to compile the appropriate joypad modules x-demon | 13:08 |
| iDS | i installed deb file on my n800 os 2008 | 13:08 |
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| iDS | but the game can't work when i clicked it | 13:08 |
| x-demon | oh, i need any extra packages on n800 to compile kernel module? | 13:08 |
| Tama^2 | you do not compile on the n800 | 13:08 |
| Tama^2 | :P | 13:08 |
| iDS | please guide me and tell me how is Create a directory /media/mmc[1-2]/share/sw and put sw.grp, sw.rts in there ?????????? | 13:09 |
| x-demon | Tama^2, i have kubuntu with 2.6.25 | 13:09 |
| unique311 | iDS, do you have those files? | 13:09 |
| unique311 | sw.grp and sw.rts | 13:09 |
| unique311 | find those files | 13:10 |
| Tama^2 | you have to install the meamo SDK | 13:10 |
| iDS | unique311 no where can i find them? | 13:10 |
| x-demon | Tama^2, debs? | 13:10 |
| unique311 | iDS, google | 13:10 |
| x-demon | tripolo, no info, sorry | 13:10 |
| iDS | ok 1 sec and then where can i move them? | 13:11 |
| x-demon | only found it in OS2006 repo (Eko One) | 13:11 |
| iDS | which section? | 13:11 |
| * Jaffa tries to get back in the ARM assembler groove from about 10 years ago | 13:11 | |
| unique311 | iDS, create a directory | 13:11 |
| unique311 | in /media/mmc1/share/sw | 13:11 |
| unique311 | or /media/mmc2/share/sw | 13:11 |
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| iDS | ok create a directory where? on my sdhc ? or other? | 13:11 |
| Tama^2 | search garage.maemo.org for an SDK virtual machine image, alternatively install scratchbox | 13:11 |
| unique311 | the internal or external | 13:12 |
| unique311 | internal being mmc2 | 13:12 |
| Tama^2 | maemo.org has all the details of the procedure | 13:12 |
| iDS | ok | 13:12 |
| x-demon | ok | 13:12 |
| x-demon | thx | 13:12 |
| unique311 | external being mmc1 | 13:12 |
| tripolo | any mirror with kismet for os2007 he? | 13:12 |
| iDS | unique311 i installed http://pupnik.de/shadowwarrior_1.2-3.deb but i don't know where it gone ...to which memory my sdhc or internal mmc | 13:12 |
| unique311 | x-demon, i didn't try any gamepads. i was trying to get my wiimote to work, but can get it going.. | 13:13 |
| unique311 | so i gave up on it | 13:13 |
| unique311 | iDS, it doesn't go to the sdhc | 13:13 |
| unique311 | it installs to the device. | 13:13 |
| x-demon | huh, i need ANY joypad, since there is playable GBA emu | 13:13 |
| iDS | unique311 so it went to my internal 160 mb ? | 13:13 |
| unique311 | and from reading the thread i thin you need to have those 2 files before the game is able to run | 13:14 |
| unique311 | yes | 13:14 |
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| unique311 | maybe /usr/bin | 13:14 |
| iDS | unique311 yes :( | 13:14 |
| aVirulence | hi, I have a question, how can I mount the SD card that's in my n810? | 13:14 |
| iDS | i couldn't find sw.grp and sw.rts | 13:14 |
| iDS | on google | 13:15 |
| unique311 | you might not be searching hard enough | 13:15 |
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| iDS | can u find it please and give it to me? | 13:15 |
| unique311 | ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/share/3dsw12.zip | 13:16 |
| unique311 | check that link | 13:16 |
| unique311 | i'm not going to do that for you again. | 13:16 |
| unique311 | learn how to use The Google..... | 13:16 |
| iDS | ok tnx | 13:17 |
| iDS | yes sir please be there 1 min | 13:17 |
| aVirulence | for some reason only /dev/sdd shows up, which is the internal memory, or should I try to mount something like /dev/sdd2? | 13:18 |
| keesj | x-demon: I tried a wii-pad | 13:19 |
| keesj | (oop I was reading in the past) | 13:20 |
| unique311 | keesj, how did ya get the wiimote working? | 13:20 |
| keesj | yes, I played xmoto with it | 13:21 |
| unique311 | i tried pairing my wiimote, but no go | 13:21 |
| unique311 | i can't get blues-utilz installed | 13:21 |
| keesj | I think the package in stilll in mud | 13:21 |
| unique311 | mud? | 13:22 |
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| keesj | ‰http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ | 13:22 |
| unique311 | thanks.. | 13:23 |
| keesj | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/cwiid.xml?root=mud-builder&view=markup | 13:23 |
| keesj | cwiid , this is what I used , now I remeber | 13:23 |
| unique311 | why is the one in app manager not working? | 13:23 |
| unique311 | you know. | 13:23 |
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| keesj | I don't know , I did not see it in the app manager | 13:25 |
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| unique311 | only shows in terminal | 13:27 |
| keesj | what does apt-cache policy cwiid tel you? | 13:27 |
| unique311 | unable to locate | 13:28 |
| unique311 | ok so the package that gave me lots of problems last time installed today. | 13:29 |
| keesj | you must have installed it from the command line :p | 13:30 |
| unique311 | let me see if i can pair | 13:30 |
| keesj | I even did get the gtk ui running | 13:31 |
| unique311 | i got that running also | 13:32 |
| unique311 | i just couldn't pair the wiimote | 13:32 |
| unique311 | it was asking for a pairing pass | 13:33 |
| keesj | perhaps your mote needs a reset? | 13:34 |
| keesj | the red button thingy | 13:34 |
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| keesj | (I happen to only have a mote and not the wii itself (how pathetic) | 13:34 |
| unique311 | ok i got switchonBT installed | 13:35 |
| lcuk | lol keesj | 13:35 |
| unique311 | i need pyaxelwii | 13:35 |
| unique311 | keesj, same here | 13:35 |
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| unique311 | i liked the whiteboard hack that was done with it | 13:35 |
| lcuk | so its people like you that meant i couldnt get enough motes for my wii | 13:35 |
| unique311 | so i wanted to give it a go | 13:35 |
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| lcuk | (only joking, the mote is an amazing piece of technology and the wider they spread the better) | 13:36 |
| unique311 | but my infrared pen sucked, and i gave up on the whiteboard and bootleg cintiq | 13:36 |
| keesj | I wanted to play games on the maemo device , bt was the best option and I hoped to create a simple game for my kids | 13:37 |
| unique311 | keesj, you checked out this site | 13:38 |
| unique311 | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/ | 13:38 |
| keesj | I don't remever. | 13:39 |
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| lcuk | unique311, that guy has given me some ideas - i would like to use the camera in the 810 to do similar tracking but its whether or not theres enough grunt in the cpu to enable it | 13:39 |
| keesj | lcuk: yes that wast my last project :P | 13:39 |
| keesj | I called it gst-motion | 13:39 |
| keesj | and already have a configure and a main.c ! | 13:39 |
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| lcuk | do you have a handy piece of camera code lying around you could pastebin? | 13:40 |
| keesj | I just followed the webcam tutorial on the maemo.org website (I did go for the c api) | 13:40 |
| unique311 | the guy from canola also said they had that in mind..... | 13:40 |
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| unique311 | not sure, i think it was yesterday | 13:40 |
| * lcuk just wants the camera bits. all processing will come from my side | 13:41 | |
| qwerty12 | setanta: I cannot believe your scripts are in the vmcontents folder, I've been doing copying all morning :D | 13:41 |
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| * keesj is searching as we speak | 13:42 | |
| lcuk | keesj, i saw that but wondered if there is an api which doesnt involve gstreamer - i dont need jpeg export etc | 13:43 |
| keesj | the first cam hack I did was very simple tracking green (just de average over the whole screen) and the already enabled me to trac a green lighter | 13:43 |
| lcuk | i dont think there is tho | 13:43 |
| keesj | luck yes there is , is but is it v4l2 | 13:43 |
| keesj | for v4l1 I plained with the code from the same guy who did SDL_fgx | 13:44 |
| keesj | http://www.ferzkopp.net/joomla/content/blogsection/2/14/ (SDL_bgrab) | 13:45 |
| lcuk | ill dig a bit deeper and see what i can discover - with so little resources going through multiple apis may be a bridge too far | 13:45 |
| keesj | and started porting that to v4l2 | 13:45 |
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| keesj | luck I think it would now be that bad , the output from gst would already be scaled to a smaller size like (40x30) pixels? | 13:46 |
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| iDS | how can i see this part on my /media/mmc1/share ? | 13:47 |
| lcuk | i dont care for scaling - i have other things needing doing in the timeframe | 13:47 |
| unique311 | you cannot iDS | 13:48 |
| lcuk | unless of course the scaling is done by the camera hardware and doesnt take cycles | 13:48 |
| unique311 | go to Utilities | 13:48 |
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| unique311 | then file manager | 13:48 |
| unique311 | inside mmc1 make a folder called share | 13:48 |
| unique311 | and then inside share make a folder called sw | 13:49 |
| iDS | but how can i transe files to there// | 13:49 |
| iDS | yeah transfer | 13:49 |
| unique311 | connect your n800 to the pc i guess | 13:49 |
| iDS | how could it be? | 13:49 |
| iDS | and? | 13:49 |
| iDS | ? | 13:50 |
| lcuk | to transfer files between my windows machine and my n810 i installed ssh on the 810, and installed winscp on my windows box - this then gave access to my 810 like an ftp window where i can copy paste | 13:50 |
| unique311 | is lcuk same here | 13:50 |
| unique311 | but i fear that would be too hard for him. | 13:51 |
| iDS | installed ssh ????? where is it? | 13:51 |
| iDS | and winscp? | 13:51 |
| lcuk | i can see the whole filesystem and browse around it. there are other methods in linux desktop where you can mount folders, but i thought that was the simplest aproach for me | 13:51 |
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| unique311 | iDS, if you connect your n800 to your pc | 13:51 |
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| unique311 | you should get 2 drives mounted in C:\ | 13:51 |
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| unique311 | not C:\ | 13:52 |
| unique311 | My Computer | 13:52 |
| iDS | unique311 yes | 13:52 |
| unique311 | those are the cards | 13:52 |
| unique311 | the internal and external | 13:53 |
| iDS | 2 Removable Disks | 13:53 |
| unique311 | yes | 13:53 |
| iDS | yes and | 13:53 |
| unique311 | figure the rest out | 13:53 |
| unique311 | i got issues over here | 13:53 |
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| unique311 | my wiimote is still not being picked up | 13:53 |
| unique311 | lol | 13:53 |
| lcuk | one of them is accessible (/media/mmc2) thie is because it is FAT and windows can read it. the other partition says its not available - this is because its another file system that windows cannot understand | 13:53 |
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| iDS | lcuk yes exactly | 13:53 |
| unique311 | lcuk, he has a n800 | 13:54 |
| unique311 | so both should be recognize | 13:54 |
| lcuk | i dunno - on mine the 1st drive isnt available, but then again i dont ever use usb net anymore | 13:54 |
| unique311 | you are dual booting | 13:55 |
| unique311 | same over here.... | 13:55 |
| lcuk | im not dual booting.. | 13:55 |
| unique311 | strange | 13:55 |
| iDS | i can enter to my mmc sdhc but can't find /media/mmc1/share....... | 13:56 |
| unique311 | lol | 13:56 |
| unique311 | iDS, media/mmc1 is the mounted device | 13:56 |
| unique311 | make a directory called share | 13:56 |
| unique311 | then go inside share | 13:56 |
| unique311 | and make a directory called sw | 13:56 |
| iDS | oh so i must do it by myself | 13:56 |
| unique311 | yes | 13:56 |
| iDS | i thought it was before | 13:57 |
| iDS | i got it | 13:57 |
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| keesj | lcuk: I can't find the code any more :( | 14:11 |
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| lcuk | its ok keesj, the one you pasted is more than enough | 14:16 |
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| lcuk | i can see how it works now, thanks :) when i get back to it i know where it is | 14:16 |
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| keesj | bwt I was able to play flash webcam games under linux | 14:16 |
| keesj | I am also full-time on mamona right now, | 14:17 |
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| iDS | lcuk | 14:17 |
| lcuk | yer.. | 14:18 |
| iDS | do u have sw.grp, sw.rts? | 14:18 |
| iDS | it is for Shadow Warrior | 14:18 |
| lcuk | are those diseases? you will have to give more context | 14:18 |
| iDS | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17420 | 14:18 |
| lcuk | ahhh now | 14:18 |
| lcuk | no | 14:18 |
| iDS | where can i find it/? | 14:20 |
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| iDS | http://www.3drealms.com/downloads.html here/? | 14:22 |
| iDS | but which one? | 14:22 |
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| lcuk | without knowing the software i would assume you get the main shareware episode - this usually gives the maps and graphics and files required | 14:24 |
| iDS | oh | 14:25 |
| iDS | i downloaded v1.2 Shareware Episode (12987k) | 14:25 |
| iDS | but it hasn't sw.grp, sw.rts files? | 14:25 |
| iDS | just an exe file | 14:26 |
| iDS | ????? | 14:26 |
| lcuk | yes, its a compressed file - it needs installing - ive just done it myself - once installed you have the files you need inside your c:\sb folder | 14:26 |
| lcuk | so you will need a windows machine or a dosbox or similar to fire it up | 14:27 |
| lcuk | c:\sw ^ | 14:27 |
| iDS | oh yes | 14:27 |
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| lcuk | im not sure what other things are needed - you can try and fly on your own now - im not into gaming yet on this device so wont be continuing... | 14:28 |
| iDS | :) | 14:29 |
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| iDS | can u give them now? | 14:30 |
| iDS | downloaded v1.2 Shareware Episode (12987k) and then find these files there | 14:30 |
| iDS | sw.grp, sw.rts | 14:30 |
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| iDS | lcuk listen | 14:31 |
| iDS | if i add sw.grp, sw.rts to my share / sw then tha game can play? | 14:31 |
| * lcuk makes himself clear | 14:31 | |
| iDS | ? | 14:32 |
| lcuk | *i don't know, ive just identified where the files you want are - im not a gamer anymore and havent messed about installing stuff for ages and im not going back to it now* | 14:32 |
| iDS | ok | 14:32 |
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| iDS | ummm | 14:46 |
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| iDS | what is Tapwave Zodiac? | 14:48 |
| johnx | isn't that an old palm device? | 14:48 |
| iDS | ummm yes maybe | 14:48 |
| glass | palmos yes | 14:49 |
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| glass | it was at one point a pretty good emu platform | 14:49 |
| iDS | the game can't open :( | 14:49 |
| iDS | i made share/duke3d in my sdhc | 14:50 |
| iDS | then move .grp to there | 14:50 |
| iDS | and install | 14:50 |
| iDS | .deb file | 14:50 |
| iDS | i can only see the icon in my extra files | 14:51 |
| iDS | guide please | 14:51 |
| KotCzarny | funf ojro bitte | 14:51 |
| iDS | \ | 14:52 |
| iDS | ? | 14:52 |
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| setanta | qwerty12, the vmcontents folder is deprecated | 15:23 |
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| Jaffa | The Map/Navicore free trial, how long does it last? | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | 7 days - unfortunately, the gps takes 8 days to connect, so it just looks pretty and says "please connect gps" | 16:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:03 |
| wom- | :) | 16:03 |
| wom- | that gps is pretty slow | 16:03 |
| wom- | i got my N810 yesterday.. still havent gotten any 'fix' on my location | 16:04 |
| wom- | well, i have time :) | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 16:04 |
| lcuk | when i get lost i find its quicker for me to drive back home fire up google earth and discover where i was meant to be than switch on 810 and use it | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: you don't use maemo mapper? | 16:05 |
| lcuk | i would use any mapper i could, but the gps wont connect so its useless | 16:05 |
| wom- | i just hope that its something to do with sw so they can fix it. put most propably it also hw issue | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | but it can precache maps | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | at all zoom levels | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:05 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, if the GPS doesn't get a fix it doesn't matter | 16:06 |
| lcuk | i can buy an a-z for £2, i wanted live position to help if we are *lost*, if we can find ourselves in a map without gps i might as well not have it | 16:06 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: but he fired google maps for that | 16:06 |
| KotCzarny | didn't he? | 16:06 |
| johnx | eh? | 16:06 |
| lcuk | i was being pedantic, if i am lost how tf can i get home | 16:06 |
| KotCzarny | unless he meant something else with his sentence | 16:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:07 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: agreed | 16:07 |
| sp3000 | wom-: leave it at a window for a half hour or so? supposedly it's faster after first fix | 16:08 |
| * sp3000 finds it has its good days and bad | 16:08 | |
| wom- | sp3000: hopefully it has its good day today.. at my window :) | 16:08 |
| lcuk | but i have it in the window in the car - my other gps connected from my pocket wherever i was in enough time to feel like its calculating lots but not that its fucked itself | 16:08 |
| KotCzarny | leaving any electronic device in the sun.. | 16:09 |
| KotCzarny | it's a kind of torture? | 16:09 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:09 |
| KotCzarny | get the fix or fry! | 16:09 |
| sp3000 | heh | 16:09 |
| lcuk | fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day I held aloft my magic n810 and said "by the power of nokia" | 16:10 |
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| KotCzarny | and then thunder struck you | 16:10 |
| KotCzarny | and you didn't found out the location anyway | 16:10 |
| lcuk | at least i could get a fix on my location - ill just search weather.com for thunderstorms from my hospital bed | 16:10 |
| KotCzarny | or ask a nurse | 16:11 |
| lcuk | good nurses don't talk with their mouths full | 16:11 |
| KotCzarny | there's possibility there are few of them | 16:11 |
| wom- | lcuk, too much internet... :) | 16:11 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:11 |
| lcuk | mind you, knowing my look she will be a 27 stone wallrus matron and not at all like i am thinking | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:12 |
| wom- | is that better than nothing? | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | erm, not, probably | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:13 |
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| wom- | :D | 16:13 |
| * lcuk shrugs shoulders | 16:14 | |
| KotCzarny | where i have seen the link.. | 16:14 |
| KotCzarny | ah, yes | 16:14 |
| * lcuk rolls matron in flour and heads for the wet bit | 16:14 | |
| KotCzarny | http://imagechan.net/img/5093/Suicide/ | 16:14 |
| KotCzarny | sexy losers roolez | 16:14 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:14 |
| lcuk | HAHAHAHA | 16:14 |
| aquatix | hahahahaha | 16:15 |
| aquatix | awesome | 16:15 |
| KotCzarny | it's quite old | 16:15 |
| KotCzarny | i'm amazed you don't know sexy losers | 16:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:15 |
| * aquatix too | 16:15 | |
| lcuk | thankfully i dont normally visit the chans - i was a bit worried by the link | 16:15 |
| aquatix | maybe i did, but i surf too much | 16:15 |
| KotCzarny | http://sexylosers.com/ | 16:16 |
| KotCzarny | here | 16:16 |
| aquatix | wtf: http://imagechan.com/img.php?id=5095 | 16:16 |
| wom- | internet - something for everyone | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, that superman lock (reversed) | 16:17 |
| aquatix | ah yes, i knew sexylozers | 16:17 |
| aquatix | just remembered :) | 16:17 |
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| * johnx kries | 16:17 | |
| KotCzarny | :> | 16:17 |
| johnx | must. not. click. links. in. irc. O_o | 16:18 |
| aquatix | hahaha | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | too late. | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:18 |
| aquatix | johnx: which? | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | probably young yoda | 16:18 |
| johnx | that last imagechan link, with yoda | 16:18 |
| wom- | weird with the sex he is | 16:18 |
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| Navi | ... | 16:28 |
| Navi | Some fag spammed the buy/sell forum | 16:28 |
| KotCzarny | ban him? | 16:28 |
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| Luria | hey dont say fag. thats not right. | 16:38 |
| Luria | say fudgepusher. | 16:38 |
| KotCzarny | don't say fudgepusher. i like cream fudges. | 16:39 |
| KotCzarny | say fag. | 16:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:39 |
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| Luria | crap my dog has fleas. i hate shedding season. | 16:39 |
| lcuk | Luria, login to your cat and run "sudo apt-get install frontline" | 16:41 |
| Luria | my cat? | 16:41 |
| wom- | :) | 16:41 |
| * Luria doesnt do cat | 16:41 | |
| lcuk | ^dog lol | 16:41 |
| lcuk | damn | 16:41 |
| * Luria does less | 16:42 | |
| lcuk | same process :P | 16:42 |
| Luria | sometimes more. | 16:42 |
| Luria | already did biospot, btw :-) | 16:42 |
| lcuk | we have cats here and in summer its bad - thankfully its still cold out | 16:43 |
| Luria | its either now or end of summer. shibas, like all primitive dogs and wolves blow their coat. it seems to be bad around then. | 16:43 |
| lcuk | if the cycle isnt broken it stays - normally now at first sign of fleas we do a full cull. the first year we didnt and it was bad | 16:45 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: is it outdoor cat? | 16:45 |
| * lcuk blames the lady cats on the street for giving my cats stds | 16:45 | |
| lcuk | yer they are | 16:45 |
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| KotCzarny | so you're partly responsible too | 16:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:46 |
| lcuk | no, they had their balls chopped off but that doesnt stop them from going out to play | 16:46 |
| KotCzarny | hehehe | 16:46 |
| Luria | no kitty kondoms? | 16:46 |
| lcuk | its more the hugging and post coital snuggle that gets the transfer | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 16:48 |
| Luria | yeah, well, you can get fiv from kissing :-) | 16:48 |
| lcuk | if i keep the cats inside its even more worrysome - whilst they dont give each other diseases it just doesnt look right when they are affectionate to each other lol | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | pfft, humans. | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:48 |
| Luria | record it, sell it to internet furries, you'll get over it once you get cash. | 16:49 |
| KotCzarny | he will have to paint them every few days | 16:49 |
| lcuk | hot pussy on pussy action | 16:49 |
| KotCzarny | to keep the money coming | 16:49 |
| aquatix | ooh, purple cats | 16:50 |
| aquatix | purple pussies even :) | 16:50 |
| lcuk | i keep pondering whether to give one of them a line cut - hes long haired - but i dont think he would forgive me | 16:50 |
| aquatix | ghehehe | 16:51 |
| Luria | meh cats. | 16:51 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: give him emo pills, he will cut himself | 16:51 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:51 |
| lcuk | :( no - hes sweet and nice | 16:52 |
| KotCzarny | and has stds | 16:52 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 16:52 |
| lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/guccibear2005/455244296/ | 16:52 |
| lcuk | (not my pussy) | 16:53 |
| aquatix | it's all furry! | 16:53 |
| konttori | what do you guys think of the portrait mode? | 16:53 |
| aquatix | haha | 16:53 |
| aquatix | love the text | 16:53 |
| konttori | is that something you would like to see more? | 16:53 |
| KotCzarny | konttori: yes, fixed theme | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | as in screenmshots | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 16:54 |
| konttori | umm.. what do you mean with fixed theme? | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | theme i'm using is broken | 16:54 |
| konttori | do you mean the left side menu it what? | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | top | 16:54 |
| aquatix | a theme modified to be used in portrait mode i gues | 16:54 |
| aquatix | s | 16:55 |
| * aquatix should hack his n810 to do portrait too | 16:55 | |
| konttori | it's really easy | 16:55 |
| konttori | and really nice to use for many apps. | 16:55 |
| konttori | but not all | 16:55 |
| johnx | agreed, it's really nice for a couple websites | 16:55 |
| johnx | a portrait mode calculator might be nice too, with nice big buttons | 16:56 |
| wom- | portrait mode would benice | 16:56 |
| wom- | be nice* | 16:56 |
| konttori | iphone.anything.com comes to mind as well | 16:56 |
| konttori | yeah. indeed | 16:56 |
| wom- | it would be nice if it would change to portrait automatically when tilting device | 16:57 |
| wom- | its kinda of hard to read web pages with landscape mode | 16:57 |
| konttori | wom-: device doesn't have accelerometers | 16:57 |
| johnx | I would also like it if coffee came out the headphone jack | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 16:57 |
| wom- | konttori: well, but maybe in the future :) | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | oh, lol | 16:57 |
| konttori | lol | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | something is b0rken | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | i mean screenshot app | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | in portrait mode | 16:57 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 16:57 |
| johnx | I used something to take a portrait screenshot the other day | 16:58 |
| aquatix | system load plugin? | 16:58 |
| johnx | screenshot-tool from the CLI I think | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop-portraitmode.pngx | 16:58 |
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| aquatix | KotCzarny: delete the x ;) | 16:58 |
| johnx | nice | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | the left part is correct | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop-portraitmode.png | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:59 |
| johnx | that's impressively broken | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | but right is probably some random memory dump | 16:59 |
| aquatix | heh, nice | 16:59 |
| aquatix | screenshot in portrait mode? | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | Can anyone remember where the scratchbox Vala compiler debs were? | 16:59 |
| aquatix | *g* | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | on the left side you see hovewer how does the themed statusbar look | 17:00 |
| keesj | you could use the webcam to view different motions | 17:00 |
| KotCzarny | background has fixed position | 17:01 |
| aquatix | keesj: that will drain your battery i guess | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | keesj: too much cpu cycles | 17:01 |
| keesj | I have seen some google or nokia project I think that do that | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | *many | 17:02 |
| keesj | if you are so convinced it must be a great idea | 17:02 |
| konttori | well, e.g. fullscreen kb could toggle between fullscreen landscape -> fullscreen portrait -> normal screen (landscape) | 17:02 |
| KotCzarny | i can just click in status bar and rotate it myself | 17:02 |
| wom- | yes, myt N810 got gps fix.. sp3000 was right. at the window and half an hour :) | 17:02 |
| wom- | now i know that i am at home :P | 17:03 |
| sp3000 | heh | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | no, your nokia is at home | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | you don't have gps receiver embedded | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | ..yet | 17:03 |
| aquatix | wom-: there might be a wormhole between you and your nokia | 17:04 |
| wom- | everything is possible | 17:05 |
| wom- | however i am pretty sure that me and device are both at home :) | 17:05 |
| aquatix | exactly | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | unless it's forbidden by physics | 17:05 |
| aquatix | heheh | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:05 |
| aquatix | it's all relative | 17:05 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: then still... | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | nope. | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | and i mean REAL physics, not CURRENT physics | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:05 |
| aquatix | well, depends whether you talk about our understanding of physics, of the real deal | 17:05 |
| aquatix | 'xactly ;) | 17:06 |
| wom- | well, anyway. gps has fix :) | 17:06 |
| aquatix | nice | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | 'to have a fix' | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | that's not good | 17:06 |
| aquatix | time for you to have one too ;) | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 17:06 |
| wom- | haha | 17:06 |
| wom- | ok, i will get that with code.. back to eclipse | 17:07 |
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| iDS | Internet Tablet Video Converter can't read h264 :( | 17:39 |
| iDS | how can i convert this file? | 17:40 |
| KotCzarny | use any other converter | 17:40 |
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| iDS | i tried to convert it to other file like mp4 | 17:40 |
| iDS | but it will be slow and smoth | 17:40 |
| iDS | smooth | 17:41 |
| KotCzarny | that doesn't make sense | 17:41 |
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| iDS | i have tvc | 17:43 |
| unique311 | question | 17:44 |
| unique311 | default keys for n770 | 17:44 |
| unique311 | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch02s03.html | 17:44 |
| unique311 | on the n800 the key above the drop down menu key, what key even is it? | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | L^ | 17:45 |
| KotCzarny | it sends 'esc' | 17:46 |
| unique311 | ok | 17:46 |
| unique311 | F? | 17:46 |
| unique311 | so its ESC | 17:46 |
| unique311 | not an F key | 17:46 |
| unique311 | like f6 f7 f8 | 17:46 |
| KotCzarny | no, esc | 17:47 |
| sp3000 | I seem to have lost animated ui icons | 17:47 |
| * sp3000 wonders who ate them | 17:47 | |
| unique311 | KotCzarny, thanks ya kindly | 17:47 |
| * sp3000 installed some stuff recently | 17:47 | |
| KotCzarny | unique: np | 17:47 |
| iDS | :0 | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | one can see esc as F0 | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | when looking at regular kb | 17:48 |
| sp3000 | (battery charging, indeterminate progress spinner in banners) | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 17:48 |
| iDS | ummmmmmmmmmm | 17:48 |
| wom- | anyone have good fix for this dbus machine id error that appears from nowhere. restart helps but thats quite bad way. | 17:48 |
| iDS | n800 can find WIFI yes | 17:48 |
| iDS | connect to wifi ? | 17:48 |
| wom- | i am testing some dbus stuff.. coding sender and receiver | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | ids: how old are you? | 17:48 |
| unique311 | iDS, dude | 17:49 |
| iDS | hehe | 17:49 |
| iDS | :D | 17:49 |
| unique311 | yes yes and more yes | 17:49 |
| iDS | cos | 17:49 |
| iDS | i am thinking to buy a WIFI adaptor | 17:49 |
| johnx | iDS, yes, you should buy a wifi router | 17:49 |
| johnx | it will make your life a lot simpler and it will work great with the n800 | 17:49 |
| iDS | it will add with usb to my pc and can share my adsl to my n800 | 17:50 |
| KotCzarny | (and ours too) | 17:50 |
| iDS | is it a good idea yeah? | 17:50 |
| unique311 | yes | 17:50 |
| johnx | you're using adsl right now. Is the adsl modem plugged directly into your computer, or into a router? | 17:50 |
| iDS | my adsl is ethernet | 17:50 |
| iDS | yes my adsl is plugged directly into my pc | 17:51 |
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| iDS | johnx did u found a way for my usc connect? | 17:52 |
| iDS | usb | 17:52 |
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| johnx | iDS, you can read up on it here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/USBnetworkingWinXP/ | 17:53 |
| johnx | and more info here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/ | 17:53 |
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| johnx | but really, just get a wifi router. it will sit between your adsl modem and your computer. it will provide a firewall for your computer and give you wifi to use with your n800 | 17:54 |
| iDS | thank u dear friend | 17:55 |
| iDS | yes i am thinking to buy wifi router as soon as possible | 17:55 |
| johnx | get a Linksys WRT54GL if you can find one | 17:56 |
| johnx | that's what I have. it works great. | 17:56 |
| iDS | :D | 17:56 |
| Luria | how does someone named ids need help with firewalls? | 17:56 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.mobilelinuxinfo.com/515/nokia-n810-price-drop/ | 17:56 |
| KotCzarny | lol? | 17:56 |
| Luria | thats like teaching a guy named mr. fisch to swim | 17:57 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 17:59 |
| KotCzarny | bestbuy lists n810 as a 'unlocked phone' | 17:59 |
| Luria | thats very common | 18:00 |
| KotCzarny | talk time: up to 4h | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | phone style: slide phone | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:01 |
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| KotCzarny | vibrate mode: yes | 18:01 |
| iDS | ? | 18:01 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 18:01 |
| wom- | See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue. D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | phonebook: no | 18:02 |
| sp3000 | I guess they have a template with a randomize button on it for those | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | ehehe | 18:02 |
| wom- | any ideas? :) | 18:02 |
| johnx | sp3000, I like to think they actually have a wheel-of-fortune style thing going. :D | 18:02 |
| wom- | dbus says it can't read machine-id .. | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | suggested accessories: Go-Sim - Prepaid Pay-As-You-Go International SIM Card | 18:02 |
| KotCzarny | ehehehe | 18:03 |
| johnx | (and a phone to put it in...) | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | nope. | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | no phones as an accessory | 18:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:03 |
| * johnx pictures someone trying to wedge a sim into the internal sd card slot | 18:03 | |
| Cptnodegard | is there a master list of apps available with short descriptions? browsing ITT is like trying to walk straight in a sandstorm, its a mess like no other | 18:06 |
| iDS | johnx are on games? | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | cpt. yes | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | try maemo.org | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:07 |
| johnx | iDS, not really. | 18:07 |
| johnx | Cptnodegard, it's a mess like many other forums. :) | 18:07 |
| iDS | ummm i install shadow walker dome... today | 18:08 |
| Cptnodegard | many others, but its still way in the lead :O | 18:08 |
| shackan | so? | 18:08 |
| iDS | but it didn't work | 18:08 |
| iDS | i made a folder called share then sd into that | 18:08 |
| johnx | sorry, I don't know anything about it. | 18:08 |
| johnx | and I should get some sleep, too | 18:09 |
| iDS | yes :( | 18:09 |
| johnx | 'night all | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | it's noon | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:09 |
| iDS | bye friend | 18:09 |
| iDS | good night | 18:09 |
| johnx | good luck iDS :) | 18:09 |
| Cptnodegard | [17:07] <KotCzarny> try maemo.org <- yei! :D | 18:09 |
| iDS | thank u :D | 18:09 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, noon is a perfectly good time to sleep. Also, you should google for "Irc time" :P | 18:09 |
| * johnx sleeps | 18:09 | |
| KotCzarny | agreed | 18:10 |
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| iDS | how is on internet tablet games here? | 18:15 |
| iDS | really no? impossible | 18:18 |
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| shackan | iDS: how old are you? | 18:22 |
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| iDS | 24 | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 18:25 |
| iDS | :" | 18:25 |
| iDS | for god i bought my n800 yesterday | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | you talk more like 14 | 18:25 |
| iDS | hey guys i am new one here | 18:25 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, don't be an asshole. | 18:25 |
| iDS | i don't know more about it | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | navi, then help him | 18:26 |
| iDS | so i need more guide | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | i tried | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | i m 1 5 y o u c a n t e l l b y t h e w a y I w r i t e :P | 18:26 |
| iDS | lol | 18:26 |
| pupnik | Go easy on non-native speakers KotCzarny | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty12: no, you are not. no caps in there ;) | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, MY BAD :P | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i tried | 18:26 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, he has a chinese IP | 18:26 |
| qwerty12 | @iDS what are you trying to set up exactly? | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | navi: nope | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | it's iran i think | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | at least that's what whois db returns | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | x-chat lists Persia | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | not /whois | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | shell whois | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | nope, just right click :) | 18:27 |
| pupnik | iDS: there are some games that play well on the tablets | 18:27 |
| pupnik | But they're not really designed for games. | 18:28 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: i'm not native speaker too | 18:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:28 |
| lcuk | does it matter where someone is from ? ids, your n800, does it have the latest os2008 on it, or does it still have os2007? | 18:28 |
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| iDS | pupnik yes | 18:29 |
| iDS | i installed shadow walker dome... today | 18:29 |
| iDS | installed deb files on my n800 os2008 | 18:29 |
| smackpotato | gtk question here. when i change gtk.settings for say cursor-theme-name does ichange immediatly | 18:29 |
| iDS | and made a folder called share and then sw for that on my mmmc sdhc | 18:29 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, true, I'm from London. Although you cannot tell by the way I type, I'm a fully native English speaker. @ iDS. sorry for not keeping up but what is your problem? shadow warrior works fine for me on N800 OS2008 | 18:30 |
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| KotCzarny | navi: and before calling other people assholes try to do something yourself | 18:32 |
| KotCzarny | then judge | 18:32 |
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| Italodance | ok this is my final nick :D | 18:33 |
| pupnik | Italodance: does shadow warrior play on your tablet? | 18:33 |
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| qwerty12 | Final nick hey? | 18:33 |
| qwerty12 | :P | 18:34 |
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| Italodance | yeah | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | You cheated :P | 18:34 |
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| Italodance | i forgot the old one password | 18:35 |
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| Italodance | someone knows a good converter for h264 to other formats? | 18:37 |
| qwerty12 | Linux/Windows? | 18:38 |
| Navi | ffmpeg | 18:38 |
| Italodance | win | 18:38 |
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| qwerty12 | There's super & mediabox & like Navi says, ffmpeg | 18:39 |
| shackan | Italodance: you're italian? | 18:39 |
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| Italodance | no | 18:42 |
| Italodance | u? | 18:42 |
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| Italodance | 1 question | 18:50 |
| Italodance | how can i do with mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0.diff.gz? | 18:50 |
| Italodance | what is this file? | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | not much. why do you want the gz? get the deb | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | also 24 is old | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | .25 is the latest | 18:51 |
| Italodance | totally what is it? | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | I correct myself, a developer can do a lot with the gz | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | It's a patch | 18:51 |
| qwerty12 | To do what I have no idea | 18:51 |
| Italodance | i wanted to install mplayer https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=54&release_id=1338 | 18:51 |
| Italodance | so i need only .deb file for install? | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | grab the .install file instead | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | and run it on the device | 18:52 |
| Italodance | i don't have internet on my n800 yet | 18:52 |
| qwerty12 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.25.n8x0_armel.deb | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | Install that instead | 18:53 |
| qwerty12 | Newer anyway | 18:53 |
| Italodance | it needs user and password for download/??? | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | No it doesnt | 18:55 |
| Italodance | Authorization Required | 18:55 |
| Italodance | This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. | 18:55 |
| Italodance | ?????/ | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | Not for me | 18:55 |
| Italodance | can u send it to me please? | 18:56 |
| Italodance | here now | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | How, I don't use irc much and no idea on how to send | 18:56 |
| Italodance | ok tell me | 18:56 |
| Italodance | click on my nick | 18:56 |
| lcuk | 1100100101101011010111011011 | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | maybe his isp filters web for him | 18:56 |
| Italodance | and right click | 18:56 |
| lcuk | 110101101101010111101010101 | 18:56 |
| lcuk | should i continue sending? | 18:56 |
| Italodance | dcc>send | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 18:56 |
| Italodance | 1 sec | 18:56 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: keep your nerves tight :> | 18:57 |
| Italodance | ok | 18:57 |
| Italodance | resend | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | or navi will call you bad name | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:57 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | my internet is slow in linux btw | 18:57 |
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| Italodance | tnx so it is full and don't need other things for co-install? | 18:58 |
| lcuk | Italodance, which link gives you authorization errors? | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | it shouldn't do | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | It didnt on my N800 | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | my bet it's his isp | 18:58 |
| Italodance | lcuk all in http://repository.maemo.org | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | @KotCzarny probably is. If he is in Persia, a lot of Muslim countries censor internet a bit | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | but to filter .debs? | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 18:58 |
| Italodance | nono | 18:58 |
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| KotCzarny | now that will be weird | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:59 |
| Italodance | i have access to everythings | 18:59 |
| lcuk | its not so much censorship, its just inktomi | 18:59 |
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| Italodance | it needs password here and i don't know why | 18:59 |
| Italodance | who is from maemo website here? | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | are you under proxy? my school's proxy fails at getting tar files | 18:59 |
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| Italodance | qwerty12 | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | yeah? :) | 19:03 |
| Italodance | it needs libmad0 liboggo | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Let me find those debs | 19:03 |
| Italodance | and libtheora0 | 19:03 |
| Italodance | please send them too | 19:03 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, I got those debs. Any other requirements? | 19:04 |
| Italodance | no just these | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | skeen, I'm starting to send | 19:05 |
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| Italodance | ok and? | 19:05 |
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| Italodance | tnx 1 min please | 19:06 |
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| KotCzarny | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/03/sheep_stomach_lamp.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:06 |
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| qwerty12 | wtf :P | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | lol, I'd feel sick carrying that around | 19:07 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 19:08 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, I have a sheep's stomach lying around, make this or make haggis? Hmm... :P | 19:09 |
| pupnik | Bucket seal is dead :/ | 19:10 |
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| Italodance | damn noone of them couldn't install on my n800 anmd said incompatible appilcation package | 19:11 |
| qwerty12 | Try putting the application manager into redpill mode | 19:12 |
| Italodance | redpill mode where and how? | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | Go to "Tools > Application catalogue", click "New", enter "matrix" into the "Web Address" field, click "Cancel". Choosing the red pill will activate the red pill mode, obviously, and chosing the blue one will deactivate it. | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | Do that in application manager | 19:13 |
| Italodance | ok 1 min | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | I got the debs from extras-devel/chinook (which is OS2008). I don't know if the -devel bit makes a difference | 19:14 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik, i can't respond on pm anyway | 19:22 |
| pupnik | i kno | 19:22 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, the lolrus has been dead for a while now :( | 20:25 |
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| pupnik | yeah i just found out | 20:26 |
| lcuk | was a sad day for all | 20:27 |
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| leandroal | hi folks, after apt-get upgrade in my scratchbox ARM target, I run gst-inspect-0.10, and I get: "qemu: uncaught target signal 6 (Aborted) - exiting". What is going wrong? | 20:44 |
| KotCzarny | dsp is not emulated | 20:45 |
| KotCzarny | i think | 20:45 |
| KotCzarny | was it working before? | 20:45 |
| leandroal | KotCzarny, yes... I was working before... | 20:45 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 20:45 |
| BabelO | hi, lol, i got the same question, want to compile a MaemoKernel module and i get "qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting" after apt-get update | 20:45 |
| leandroal | it was working before | 20:45 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe some default changed | 20:45 |
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| leandroal | KotCzarny, any clue? | 20:46 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 20:46 |
| KotCzarny | that was only my guess | 20:46 |
| leandroal | I will try to logout and login again | 20:46 |
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| KotCzarny | you can reinstall sb in the worst case | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:47 |
| leandroal | since I apt-get upgrade, maybe something needs to be reloaded | 20:47 |
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| leandroal | yes... I will try this too. But if try to reinstall sb, do I have to run apt-get upgrade again? | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | why should you? | 20:47 |
| leandroal | ok.. | 20:48 |
| leandroal | :) | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | i know why, it was more like rethorical question | 20:49 |
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| leandroal | KotCzarny, yes! this is the case! | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | hm? | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | which one? | 20:51 |
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| leandroal | second one! :) | 20:52 |
| KotCzarny | name it | 20:52 |
| KotCzarny | for the future reference | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:53 |
| leandroal | the question that I ask if do I have to rerun apt-get upgrade | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | i'm glad it helped | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | i meant something else though ;) | 20:54 |
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| sp3000 | infobot: what's my maemo bugzilla password? | 20:59 |
| BabelO | what is the reason that apt-get does not work with a selected target arm in scratchbox ? do i miss something, i play exatcly the tutorial | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | bad repos ? | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | bad arch? | 21:00 |
| BabelO | KotCzarny: no sound more like no network | 21:00 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 21:01 |
| BabelO | KotCzarny: i use http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/kernel_guide_for_maemo.html step by step | 21:01 |
| sp3000 | eep, is bugzilla unhappy? | 21:01 |
| BabelO | and it fail on getting Kernel sources :( | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | sp3000: fill a bug about bugzilla? :> | 21:03 |
| sp3000 | ;) | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | oh, wait, you have to be registered, *grin* | 21:03 |
| KotCzarny | (; | 21:03 |
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| sp3000 | grumble | 21:05 |
| sp3000 | I try to comment on and cc to a bug and it's all DBD::mysql::db do failed: Access denied for user: 'maemobugs@10.5.7.11' to database 'maemobugs' at /usr/share/perl5/Bugzilla/DB/Mysql.pm line 196 | 21:05 |
| sp3000 | that's inconvenient | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | someone broke something | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | and unless maemobugs is your user then it's not you | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | (; | 21:06 |
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| sp3000 | when did it break? | 21:12 |
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| leo2007 | anyone can tell me how long it takes to start emacs in n810? | 21:22 |
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| sp3000 | sure they can, once it's finished starting :P | 21:23 |
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| cyberholic | Hi everyone, i have just developed the first weather mojo for mojocafe.de..... you can view a preview how it looks like on the n800 at this address: http://www.mojocafe.de/pr/weather_v1.jpg | 21:26 |
| cyberholic | If you have any wishes how a weather mojo should look like, get in contact with me at mojocafe.de | 21:26 |
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| Navi | how do you register? | 21:31 |
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| cyberholic | navi: simply enter your mail and then you will get a password sent | 21:32 |
| cyberholic | but if you want me first to develop a mojo that you would prefer then just register when you think that you would like to :) | 21:32 |
| cyberholic | ... and that mojo is ready for you to use! | 21:32 |
| KotCzarny | cyberholic: preview doesn't fit | 21:36 |
| cyberholic | Kot: what do you mean? | 21:37 |
| KotCzarny | set your browser to 900px for example | 21:37 |
| KotCzarny | go to browse mojos | 21:37 |
| KotCzarny | see for yourself | 21:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:37 |
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| cyberholic | ah... now i know what you mean. the page is optimized for 1024x768.... that main page is only to use on desktop pcs.... if you visit the same url, a javscript sends you to a special view for your n800 device | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | i view it with my pc | 21:40 |
| cyberholic | what screen resolution do you have? | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | i just don't do 'full screen' | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | 1024x768 | 21:40 |
| cyberholic | you dont need to go fullscreen... mhhh... strange. | 21:40 |
| KotCzarny | but it should work regardles of window size | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise it's .. erm | 21:41 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:41 |
| lcuk | actually, i think its a really good idea. | 21:41 |
| cyberholic | strange as you are the first one saying that. others could view the whole page withoug problem... ill check that in will be back in 10 mins | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | i cant however put up with having to use a browser instead of allowing it to be a proper installed screensaver | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | cyberholic: i don't like switching windows all the time | 21:42 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: thnkx :) | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | so my browser is 900x500 | 21:42 |
| lcuk | ive seen this evolve for a couple of months and think the mojo idea is great | 21:42 |
| KotCzarny | it's a flash, so you should % widths rather than pixels | 21:43 |
| KotCzarny | same goes to the whole html | 21:43 |
| lcuk | cyberholic, i would really like to use your software, do attempt to take your skill and instead of wasting it in actionscript bring it up to something else | 21:43 |
| lcuk | hell, it could be python | 21:44 |
| lcuk | (alternatively, if someone knows of a lightweight flash control/host then speak now | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | animated screen saver? | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | wasted batter | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | y | 21:45 |
| lcuk | no, clock display | 21:45 |
| lcuk | calendar | 21:46 |
| lcuk | photo album | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | isn't there any app that does it? | 21:46 |
| lcuk | the desktop for maemo is one thing, but this is fullscreen | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | ah, ok | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | shouldn't be a big problem | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | to write one | 21:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:46 |
| lcuk | i dont want buttons around the sides or crap in the way - totally dark apart from a big clock would be perfect | 21:46 |
| lcuk | yes - but cyberholic has a good system already and can make variations and has users etc | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | but he has flash only plugs | 21:47 |
| lcuk | why should we always reinvent the wheel? | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | rewriting them for python/gtk would be writing them from scratch | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | or using parts of screensaver package | 21:47 |
| KotCzarny | or just port xscreensaver to hildon | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | (ie. fullscreen) | 21:48 |
| lcuk | well then take a basic "dark" saver and use a flash plugin and everyones happy | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | flash is not cpu friendly | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | imo | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | i think my idea will work | 21:49 |
| KotCzarny | compiling xss shouldn't be a problem | 21:49 |
| KotCzarny | adding 'go fullscreen' should be a few lines of code max | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | curiously enough - adding fullscreen to x was more work than i thought it would be | 21:50 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 21:50 |
| lcuk | (completely sidetracking) | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | steal some mplayer code? | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | or even fbreader code | 21:51 |
| lcuk | no, its around in numerous places | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | still | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | better this than reinventing the wheel | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:51 |
| lcuk | yer | 21:51 |
| lcuk | i dont like #defines in code - it makes it so difficult to see | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | but easier to code ;) | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | at first of course | 21:52 |
| lcuk | i would rather have myself at the centre and specific implimentations around me but with a nice api | 21:52 |
| lcuk | ahhh - ifdefs... not just defines | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | define macros i adore | 21:53 |
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| doc|home | man, I really wish there was a non-shit sip client | 22:15 |
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| hugolp | doc|home: I know, I am having problems with the N800 sip client | 22:23 |
| sp3000 | wtfbbq | 22:27 |
| sp3000 | so if I uninstall free42 I lose charging and banner animations | 22:28 |
| sp3000 | that's an ...interesting side-effect | 22:28 |
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| dieman | yay, got dejavu condensed on my tablet as the default font | 22:29 |
| sp3000 | and installing it again fixes that | 22:30 |
| dieman | now i just need to modify the theme to use it | 22:30 |
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| wom- | was there some nice theme repository for n810 | 22:41 |
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| KotCzarny | was there any? | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:42 |
| wom- | or is there :) | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | if you find it, let me know :> | 22:47 |
| wom- | this n810 is kinda cool. laying on couch and ircing, and browsing web :) | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | battery life could be better | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | but is good anyway | 22:48 |
| wom- | i was just about to say that it has lasted whole day. of course not on active use all the time | 22:49 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 22:49 |
| * sp3000 guesstimates it needs to gtk-update-icon-cache in postrm as well | 22:49 | |
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| KotCzarny | and reboot hildon ui? | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:50 |
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| cyberholic | ok... i am back :) | 22:51 |
| lcuk | any idea where i get the keycodes for maemo as given by x keyboard events? | 22:51 |
| KotCzarny | xev | 22:51 |
| sp3000 | no, that doesn't seem to be necessary, the same gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor it does in postinst suffices | 22:51 |
| sp3000 | now if bugzilla worked I could say so in a bug | 22:52 |
| * sp3000 spams webhost@maemo as requested in the error msg | 22:53 | |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:53 |
| sp3000 | or did someone already? no need to flood I guess | 22:53 |
| leo2007 | ,pimlico | 22:53 |
| sp3000 | sending in 5 ... 4 | 22:53 |
| lcuk | kot - you mean from within the config file on maemo device? if so you wouldnt have a quick path would you? | 22:53 |
| sp3000 | 0 | 22:53 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: xev shows any events it receives | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | like key up/down, mouse moves/clicks | 22:54 |
| *** sp3000 changes topic to "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | webhost@maemo has been poked about bugzilla" | 22:54 | |
| KotCzarny | scancodes and x key syms | 22:54 |
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| cyberholic | hey people i have read the discussion you had about my mojocafe project. There is one simple reason why i am using Flash: because i want to offer this kind of service also to PDA and PSP users and any other devices that has the flash plugin. | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | but if you need hw keys just go there: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch02s03.html | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 22:55 |
| wom- | KotCzarny: http://gronmayer.com/it/ there is one theme repo. havent tried it yet | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | cyberholic: c/gtk/sdl should be quite portable | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:55 |
| cyberholic | kot: on psp too? i don`t think that sony will ever allow that :) | 22:56 |
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| KotCzarny | psp uses some kind of linux too i think | 22:56 |
| lcuk | kot, i really need the #include file where they are defined - its a bit convoluted on linux to open headers :S i miss having "goto definition" | 22:56 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: aren't they hardwired? | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | btw. see the link :P | 22:57 |
| lcuk | they shouldnt be - there should be a header file somewhere listing all the scancodes? | 22:57 |
| lcuk | i just did - they are gtk | 22:57 |
| KotCzarny | hildon is gtk | 22:57 |
| lcuk | gdk^ | 22:57 |
| lcuk | but i have an x window open | 22:58 |
| lcuk | and have an xevent | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | my guess is they aren't named specifically | 22:58 |
| lcuk | and know its a keypress | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | they just genereate F4 aetc. | 22:58 |
| lcuk | there has to be something like "xkey_f1" somewhere? | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | XK_F1 | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 22:58 |
| KotCzarny | or KB_F1 | 22:59 |
| lcuk | exactly - but i cant find where they are defined or examples so i can search | 22:59 |
| doc|home | it's annoying how adblock means it takes 15-20 for the browser to start being useful | 22:59 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: grep /usr/include for: _F10 | 22:59 |
| lcuk | the microb addin structure means its all parsed | 22:59 |
| doc|home | any other browsers available? | 23:00 |
| lcuk | use/include of where though - this is where problem number 2 occurs - there are about 10 include folders in all different linux branches everywhere around my vmware maemo distro thing | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: everything | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | use mc for that | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | it has find string in a files recursively | 23:01 |
| derf | lcuk: Both vi and emacs support ctags. | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | or just try grep _F10 * */* */*/* | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | should be enough | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:01 |
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| * lcuk looks to the sky and for once actually thinks MS got something right in vb (before losing it again with .shit)... | 23:02 | |
| derf | But you want /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h | 23:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:03 |
| lcuk | :D excellent | 23:03 |
| * lcuk grabs the filename and runs gleefully into his linux jungle | 23:03 | |
| KotCzarny | erm. using vb and 'right' in one sentence.. ? | 23:03 |
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| KotCzarny | that's NOT right | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:03 |
| lcuk | 100% kot - vb 6 IDE was almost perfect | 23:03 |
| sp3000 | infobot: what's my garage login and password? | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | then it's IDE not vb itself | 23:03 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:03 |
| derf | The visual studio IDE is actually pretty good, if you don't try to use the GUI builder crap, and don't mind it crashing all the time. | 23:04 |
| derf | And being really slow. | 23:04 |
| derf | And not parsing your code correctly. | 23:04 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:04 |
| lcuk | you are talking about the .net IDE - they went too far with it | 23:04 |
| lcuk | classic is betterer by miles | 23:04 |
| derf | The last one I used for any amount of time was MSVC6. | 23:04 |
| lcuk | and missing out on so many good ideas | 23:04 |
| derf | It was still really slow, and crashed a lot, and didn't parse my code correctly. | 23:05 |
| derf | (the .net ones actually have a much better parser, but crash even more) | 23:05 |
| derf | Of course, if you turn off all the IntelliSense crap, it becomes much more stable. | 23:05 |
| derf | And much more responsive. | 23:05 |
| derf | But then... why are you using the IDE instead of a text editor? | 23:06 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | i used to code entirely in cygnus ed | 23:06 |
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| KotCzarny | cygnus ed was a powerapp :> | 23:07 |
| lcuk | it did what i wanted and was fast - right now im bearing anjuta - which in the vmware is painful | 23:07 |
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| KotCzarny | pity i got my hands on c compiler only with linux/gcc | 23:07 |
| lcuk | cygnus ed had the fastest text rendering of almost any editor known to man | 23:07 |
| derf | I did not like anjuta. | 23:08 |
| lcuk | it was a bliss to work with | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | have you tried mailing the authour about source code? | 23:08 |
| derf | These days I just use vim. | 23:08 |
| lcuk | it would be lovely, but the rendering speed came from its custom blitter code | 23:08 |
| lcuk | it was so hardcoded to the amiga from what i remember it wouldnt do it justice to have it outside planes | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:09 |
| * lcuk recognises skills like this | 23:09 | |
| lcuk | somewhere along the way developers got lazy | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | look ma, enough cycles | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:09 |
| derf | Lazy has little to do with it. | 23:10 |
| lcuk | vista and office both do the same... | 23:10 |
| derf | People operate at a different level of abstraction now. | 23:10 |
| lcuk | all you need is a library and you can abstract yourself | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | diff lv of abst == no time/wantingness to do more than needed | 23:10 |
| derf | Text rendering is the responsibility of the terminal. | 23:10 |
| derf | gnome-terminal, for example, recently got much faster text rendering. | 23:11 |
| lcuk | because someone cared :) | 23:11 |
| derf | And this helped _all_ console applications. | 23:11 |
| lcuk | 100% agree | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 23:11 |
| derf | Well, it's a matter of resources. | 23:11 |
| derf | There are only so many developers. | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | cygnused is selling for 45 EUR | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.vesalia.de/e_cygnused.htm | 23:11 |
| lcuk | same logic here though - take baby steps, if you can make something specific then you might be able to adapt it to the general case | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | +shipping | 23:11 |
| dtahtbot | KotCzarny: Error: "shipping" is not a valid command. | 23:11 |
| derf | lcuk: You will often find more work goes into "adapting" code than when into writing it in the first place. | 23:12 |
| lcuk | tell me about it - i am maintaining code from before i started and even my own stuff from 8 years ago | 23:12 |
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| KotCzarny | i think i'll stay with mcedit. | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:14 |
| lcuk | i wonder what a tablet oriented editor could do | 23:15 |
| lcuk | mix of keyboard and strokes | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | drag'n'drop programming? | 23:15 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:15 |
| RayTracer` | i wonder what a tablet oriented porn site could do | 23:15 |
| lcuk | nahh - text editoing | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | probably the same as a regular desktop porn site just with more tissues needed | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | just DON'T lose your stylus | 23:16 |
| ranja1 | hi | 23:17 |
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| lopz | hi | 23:44 |
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| sp3000 | sigh | 23:50 |
| sp3000 | I totally gave garagge's tracker an url | 23:50 |
| sp3000 | abd I sure don't see it anywhere in the report page | 23:51 |
| sp3000 | and even | 23:51 |
| sp3000 | oh, it doesn't linkify urls either | 23:56 |
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| sp3000 | how useful | 23:56 |
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