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| fer | anyone here who installed scratchbox ? | 00:16 |
| * KotCzarny <-- | 00:18 | |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: couldn't dosemu use timidity as midi synth? | 00:20 |
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| fer | I need to move the scratchbox directory to a different disk, but it complains about not beying able to copy hardlinks... anypne knows how to move scratchbox to another location? | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | tar | 00:26 |
| KotCzarny | with a -p i guess | 00:26 |
| johnx | I thought I just rsynced it, but I can't be sure | 00:27 |
| fer | I'm confused about this... | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | fer, just reinstall it | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:27 |
| fer | it's supposed to be a "closed" system.. so, should not have absolute references.. | 00:27 |
| fer | reinstalling is what you do in M$ land... | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but may be quicker in your case | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | how do you copy it? | 00:28 |
| johnx | reinstalling is what you do when you're dealing with sketchy software you don't want to spend the time to troubleshoot | 00:28 |
| KotCzarny | ^ /me agrees | 00:29 |
| johnx | I thought I just used rsync -av | 00:29 |
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| fer | ok... | 00:30 |
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| KotCzarny | you can try cp -a | 00:30 |
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| fer | I've just installed it.. and now I'm out of disk space in this partition... | 00:31 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: wanna see my ncurses player? | 00:31 |
| fer | the problem is that downloading all that stuff is damn slow... | 00:32 |
| KotCzarny | fer: i believe it can be cached | 00:32 |
| johnx | ncurses player? | 00:33 |
| johnx | a music player? | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | can work with videos/youtube too, but then running it over ssh is recommended | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:33 |
| KotCzarny | handles .m3u playlists and http:// streams as well | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | (so can be used as a internet radio too) | 00:36 |
| johnx | I'm pretty good for right now. thanks though. | 00:36 |
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| pupnik | KotCzarny: not for the general case | 01:52 |
| pupnik | the yamaha fm synthesizers are controllable in a fine-grained fashion | 01:52 |
| pupnik | thus as far as I can tell, no fixed set of sounds would ever suffice to simulate them | 01:53 |
| pupnik | however, the vast majority of games use the same sound parameters | 01:53 |
| pupnik | to resynthesize them for every note is not strictly necessary | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | jit-synth ? | 01:54 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:54 |
| pupnik | one could for example, 'cache' the sound generated by a particular set of paramaters for a fmopl synth to a wavetable | 01:54 |
| pupnik | or rather pcm sample | 01:54 |
| pupnik | ignoring factors like pitch and perhaps some other parameters that would be better implemented later | 01:54 |
| pupnik | like envelopes | 01:55 |
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| pupnik | but yes your suggestion is exactly what i'm thinking about | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | huh, i can't get myself to sit and package some software | 01:55 |
| KotCzarny | laziness at it's finest | 01:56 |
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| pupnik | unfortunately i'm exactly the same. the real focused work i do in a day might average to 40 minutes | 01:57 |
| pupnik | but uae4all was a huge help to me in understand where the abstraction needs to happen | 01:57 |
| pupnik | there are many similarities in other gp2x games - | 01:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:58 |
| pupnik | but you did get lucky with uae4all | 01:59 |
| KotCzarny | my google magic is strong | 01:59 |
| pupnik | that minimal lib is great | 01:59 |
| ds3 | is there a trick to trying out dosbox on the N8x0? | 02:00 |
| pupnik | it's not much work to make a deb out of it | 02:00 |
| pupnik | ds3 i'm the guy to ask | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:00 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: what are the chances of fallout being playable? | 02:01 |
| ds3 | pupnik: I tried it a few times and each time I had to reboot to fix everything - xvkbd doesn't get the right keys into it (just trying to do a basic 'dir')... is there something special I need to do? | 02:01 |
| pupnik | i have the .tar.gz here KotCzarny - haven't had time to try it | 02:02 |
| pupnik | ds3 xkbd is sadly broken | 02:02 |
| pupnik | reboot? | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | xkbd != xvkbd | 02:02 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: xvkbd is another app | 02:03 |
| KotCzarny | not hildonized yet afaik | 02:03 |
| ds3 | oh... I got it from pupnik site so I think I have the right thing | 02:03 |
| pupnik | ds3 i just think a computer emulator should be played with a bluetooth keyboard | 02:03 |
| ds3 | pupnik: yeah, if I don't things get very slow and batteries get sucked down rapidly | 02:03 |
| pupnik | wha?? please tell more | 02:03 |
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| ds3 | if you are interested, I can try it and give you specific reports tonight (at work now, can't play too much) | 02:04 |
| pupnik | ok i'll be around for a couple of hours | 02:04 |
| ds3 | it was bad enough I explicitly uninstalled it so I don't accidentally start it | 02:04 |
| pupnik | or post to internettablettalk.com | 02:04 |
| ds3 | okay, I'll try to gather details tonight - anything specific you want me to gather? | 02:05 |
| pupnik | just describe what annoys you pls | 02:05 |
| ds3 | (my assumption is the code is bad enough that it isn't ready for general usage) | 02:05 |
| ds3 | gotcha - will do that! | 02:05 |
| pupnik | the xkbd thing just sucks donkeys | 02:05 |
| ds3 | I kind of like how small it is compared to the standard OSK | 02:06 |
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| pupnik | yeah osemutech did the layout - good work | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: you probably can mod osk | 02:06 |
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| ds3 | KotCzarny: know where to get started? | 02:06 |
| KotCzarny | nope, i have only seen someone mentioning it | 02:07 |
| pupnik | but dosbox needs a real genius to run well on the tablets ds3 | 02:07 |
| ds3 | I've tackled early dosemu... how hard can this be ;) | 02:07 |
| pupnik | yeah i remember dosemu in the 90s | 02:08 |
| pupnik | browse the source... gain respect for the guys who wrote it | 02:08 |
| pupnik | i can't freakin understand 0.001 percent of what it's doing | 02:08 |
| pupnik | and neither can you | 02:08 |
| pupnik | so that's what i mean. | 02:08 |
| ds3 | the hardest part of that is finding a block of time to do that | 02:09 |
| ds3 | I really want to get some kind of working printing first | 02:09 |
| pupnik | there are printing patches | 02:09 |
| pupnik | print-to-bmp | 02:09 |
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| ds3 | from the browser? | 02:10 |
| pupnik | from dosbox | 02:10 |
| ds3 | oh, I mean printing in general | 02:10 |
| pupnik | no idea | 02:10 |
| ds3 | got PS installed, got my USB-serial thing working. just need a few hours to sit down and get it talking to my hand held printer | 02:10 |
| ds3 | s/PS/GS/ | 02:11 |
| infobot | ds3 meant: got GS installed, got my USB-serial thing working. just need a few hours to sit down and get it talking to my hand held printer | 02:11 |
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| johnx | gah...so I have an SD card that throws I/O errors in my N800 and Zaurus C1000 but is just fine in my crappy USB card reader :/ | 02:20 |
| KotCzarny | what card? | 02:21 |
| johnx | in the card reader right now...it's some PQI thing | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | good to know | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | sdhc? capacity? | 02:21 |
| johnx | 2GB, older | 02:22 |
| johnx | it works for long periods of time, I even did most of my Debian testing on it | 02:22 |
| johnx | then it gets I/O errors unzipping a file | 02:22 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it's too slow | 02:22 |
| johnx | huh? | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:23 |
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| johnx | no, seriously, I don't understand... | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | don't mind me | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | i'm just throwing random thoughts | 02:24 |
| johnx | ah, ok | 02:24 |
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| johnx | well it's actually writing at 3MB/s sustained in my USB card reader | 02:24 |
| johnx | I just wrote a file full of zeros to all of the free space with no errors just to make sure it's not really a problem with the card | 02:25 |
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| johnx | no problem of course...I'm half-tempted to send this in to someone who hacks on SD support in ARM-Linux | 02:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:26 |
| johnx | I imagine that's the difference between a USB card reader and Linux SD controller support: access to more cards for testing | 02:26 |
| magicrobotmonkey | has anyone tried playing the newly freed videos from the bbc's iplayer on maemo? | 02:26 |
| johnx | nope. Are they still UK only? | 02:26 |
| magicrobotmonkey | im not sure | 02:26 |
| magicrobotmonkey | just saw this though: | 02:26 |
| magicrobotmonkey | http://exploringfreedom.org/2008/03/08/bbc-iplayer-on-gnu-linux-without-flash-using-only-free-software/ | 02:26 |
| johnx | top line: *Please note. This will only work if you're in the UK. * | 02:27 |
| magicrobotmonkey | oh heh | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:27 |
| magicrobotmonkey | i dont read italics... | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | find some uk based open proxy? | 02:27 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea i think thats what the windows users have been doing | 02:28 |
| johnx | I don't really care quite enough, yet | 02:28 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea me neither | 02:28 |
| magicrobotmonkey | ive tried hulu, and it seems to just crash microb | 02:28 |
| shackan | does hulu work outside of the US ? | 02:30 |
| magicrobotmonkey | i dunno | 02:30 |
| johnx | I think it doesn't, or at least they'd like it not to | 02:30 |
| johnx | full card info, for the record: "pqi Hi-Speed 60 2GB" | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:31 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7531 | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | he he he | 02:44 |
| KotCzarny | it's funny how some peoples guesses miss the reality | 02:44 |
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| johnx | that picture sure made it look ugly though :D | 02:45 |
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| KotCzarny | "Anyone hazard a guess what the transparent vertical plastic strip on the left hand side is (my guess: a touch sensitive slide control) Or it s a slot for something? The pictures aren't clear enough." | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:46 |
| johnx | it's really funny, to see texrat's comments with 20/20 hindsight... :D | 02:48 |
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| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | "Horrible design. | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | No sir, I don't like it. I don't like it at all." | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:49 |
| pupnik | Well KotCzarny i'm releasing uae if you aint doin nothin with it. | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: go ahead | 02:49 |
| pupnik | Ok | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:49 |
| pupnik | Cause it does play em good. | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | you can credit me as a google magician in the credits | 02:50 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, well, there's a lot not to like about it: one minisd slot, rather lame gps, same lame camera, a *worse* dpad | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | and if you use my hacks you can metion them too | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:50 |
| pupnik | Uh, the credits is all you. what nick do you want to be credited with? | 02:50 |
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| KotCzarny | kotczarny | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | of course | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:50 |
| pupnik | I'll just do installer | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: even worse than n800's? o.O | 02:51 |
| johnx | that's what I hear | 02:51 |
| johnx | the N800's are worse than the 770s | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | pressing ne,nw etc is a pain | 02:51 |
| johnx | the (potential) N900 will have to have one horrible dpad to keep up the trend | 02:51 |
| johnx | maybe it will only have 3 directions or something | 02:52 |
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| Navi | woo, one dimensional dpad | 02:53 |
| Navi | That's what I'm hoping for | 02:53 |
| Navi | two axis dpads are too complicated for the average consumer | 02:54 |
| johnx | well a scroll wheel would be pretty nice actually | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | 2! | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:54 |
| Navi | I could go for a trackball | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | and a left/right 'mouse' buttons | 02:54 |
| lcdd | that's crazy talk | 02:54 |
| KotCzarny | navi: it's too small to have convenient trackball | 02:55 |
| johnx | the little "scroll nubbin" thing on the apple mighty mouse would be really nice but they're kinda fragile | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | samsung newest toy have 'optical' joystick | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | *has | 02:55 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, the Blackberry Pearl does it well. | 02:55 |
| KotCzarny | less stress on the fingers | 02:55 |
| Navi | johnx, that's just a mini trackball :P | 02:56 |
| johnx | so then I agree with you. :D | 02:57 |
| johnx | but it's pretty unreliable and required frequent cleaning | 02:57 |
| johnx | maybe they improved it in later versions | 02:57 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, trackablls get dirty :/ | 02:58 |
| johnx | and this one was kind of rubbery | 02:58 |
| Navi | I like them anyway :P | 02:58 |
| johnx | and the mouse was hard to disassemble without breaking | 02:58 |
| KotCzarny | but optical trackball would rock | 02:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:58 |
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| KotCzarny | (unless you have your fingerprints removed) | 02:58 |
| KotCzarny | (; | 02:58 |
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| KotCzarny | but then you're not the one to use electronic toys ;) | 02:59 |
| KotCzarny | off-topic, osk could be nice if it was more flexible (ie. configurable) | 03:00 |
| KotCzarny | right now it resizes other window everytime | 03:00 |
| KotCzarny | it should detect if entered text is in the bottom or upper part of the screen and just move accordingly | 03:00 |
| KotCzarny | hovering on top | 03:01 |
| KotCzarny | and some hot-button to slide it in/out would be great | 03:01 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:01 |
| lcdd | sufficiently transparent overlaid keyboard could be nice | 03:01 |
| KotCzarny | lcdd: i agree | 03:01 |
| KotCzarny | i had that idea too | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | but it would eat cpu | 03:02 |
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| ds3 | or just have an off screen keyboard, like one of those laser projected ones integrated onto it | 03:03 |
| KotCzarny | mind reading keyboard | 03:04 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:04 |
| Navi | those suck | 03:04 |
| KotCzarny | 'hey, stop thinking so loud!' | 03:04 |
| Navi | fastest person so far can only go 1 cps | 03:04 |
| ds3 | "sorry officier, I was using my hands free keyboard" ;) | 03:04 |
| Navi | lol | 03:05 |
| KotCzarny | and eyes free display ? | 03:05 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:05 |
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| KotCzarny | Originally Posted by witznitz View Post | 03:06 |
| KotCzarny | >As to GPS, if it would work as badly as it does on N95, forget about it. 5 minutes for getting the initial fix, and you are not allowed to move. | 03:06 |
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| KotCzarny | Get the new 12. software update and your GPS worries are greatly improved. | 03:06 |
| KotCzarny | so it's fixable | 03:06 |
| KotCzarny | a little | 03:06 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=363&stc=1&d=1184185667 | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 03:07 |
| KotCzarny | that would be nice | 03:07 |
| johnx | it really would | 03:08 |
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| johnx | I think it will be a few years yet until corporations actually get handhelds "right" | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | http://pupnik.de/Nokia970sm4.png | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | or at least this one | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | more buttons, more, more! | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | they're cheap to add | 03:09 |
| KotCzarny | and hw is already there | 03:10 |
| johnx | that's pretty nice. I want a zaurus cxx00 d-pad though | 03:10 |
| KotCzarny | unless right now they use gpio pins | 03:10 |
| Navi | heh | 03:12 |
| ds3 | think it is done via the touchscreen input chip, IIRC | 03:13 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: hum | 03:13 |
| ds3 | TSCxxxx | 03:13 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: do you know if anyone hacked it to add more buttons? | 03:13 |
| KotCzarny | or at least looked at this possibility? | 03:14 |
| KotCzarny | The new v12 firmware for the N95 "fixed" the GPS-lock problem by adding in Assisted-GPS functions. I get a lock on my N95 now in about 15 seconds or less, EVEN INDOORS. | 03:14 |
| KotCzarny | hehe, 15s | 03:15 |
| KotCzarny | still too much | 03:15 |
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| ds3 | KotCzarny: donno of anyone | 03:16 |
| KotCzarny | maybe i should hack xvkbd | 03:16 |
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| KotCzarny | can osk be disabled entirely? | 03:51 |
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| Navi | well | 03:52 |
| Navi | you can hit shift+space and turn it to n810 mode | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | n800 here | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:53 |
| Navi | Well, yeah | 03:53 |
| Navi | same here | 03:53 |
| Navi | but I do it when I use a keyboard with the N800 | 03:53 |
| Navi | turns off the thumb board and osk | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | didn't worked | 03:54 |
| ds3 | Oh so that's what happened | 03:54 |
| ds3 | shift-space is significant on the bt kb? | 03:54 |
| Navi | nah | 03:55 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, did you do it when the osk is up? | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 03:55 |
| * Navi shrugs | 03:55 | |
| KotCzarny | how can i input keys otherwise | 03:55 |
| Navi | magic | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | no external keyboard available | 03:56 |
| Navi | http://www.boxwave.com/products/styraballpointpen/styra-ballpoint-pen-stylus-nokia-7710_590.htm <- I wish they made one of these for the N800 | 04:02 |
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| Navi | I've lost so many expensive pens >_> | 04:03 |
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| KotCzarny | interesting discovery | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | built in osk has configurable toolbar | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | so one can add alt probably | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 04:23 |
| Navi | cool | 04:23 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe not | 04:24 |
| KotCzarny | xkbd doesn't send ctrl/alt alone | 04:24 |
| KotCzarny | but may be entered by hand | 04:25 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 04:25 |
| KotCzarny | or not | 04:25 |
| KotCzarny | osk source is closed? | 04:26 |
| johnx | sounds likely | 04:29 |
| * johnx tries to remember | 04:29 | |
| Navi | I think I heard it was | 04:29 |
| johnx | part of the hildon input manager stuff got opened but the keyboard might still be closed | 04:29 |
| Navi | How do I add alt into the toolbar for xterm? | 04:29 |
| KotCzarny | and xkbd ignores -geometry, hum | 04:29 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, that's probably the window manager messing with you | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 04:30 |
| johnx | it's pretty hard to get around matchbox... | 04:31 |
| johnx | just a guess...maybe you could make the window unmanaged? | 04:31 |
| KotCzarny | i will dump it one day | 04:31 |
| * johnx actually likes matchbox for handhelds... | 04:31 | |
| KotCzarny | it has.. issues | 04:32 |
| johnx | such as? | 04:32 |
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| johnx | it succeeds very well at keeping things inside the screen even when they try to do dumb things | 04:32 |
| KotCzarny | 'i know better than you, i'll ignore your requests' | 04:33 |
| johnx | exactly | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | this kind of philosophy | 04:33 |
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| johnx | to combat apps that say "I know better than you, I'll display important buttons outside the screen" | 04:33 |
| KotCzarny | it also prevents doing usefull things | 04:33 |
| johnx | the super-modal dialogs annoy me sometimes, but that can be overridden | 04:34 |
| KotCzarny | slide in/out would be as simple as moving the window | 04:34 |
| johnx | somehow matchbox keyboard gets around it and its source is open | 04:34 |
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| johnx | ah, moving the window? so part is off the screen? | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | yeah | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | simple, yet effective | 04:35 |
| johnx | O_o | 04:35 |
| johnx | hmm | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | and easy on cpu | 04:35 |
| johnx | unless you need to get to the top part | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | top part? | 04:35 |
| johnx | of the window, that gets scrolled off the screen? | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | no no | 04:35 |
| KotCzarny | it could be still visible | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | just as much as to show 'unslide' | 04:36 |
| KotCzarny | which will move it back | 04:36 |
| johnx | right, so the top part of the window is off the screen while you're using the keyboard? | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | erm, no, that was just an idea | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | of what could be done | 04:37 |
| johnx | I know | 04:37 |
| KotCzarny | if wm wasn't so restrictive | 04:37 |
| Navi | How do I get osso-xterm to send alt+<key> like the ctrl shortcut does? | 04:37 |
| johnx | I have no idea | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | navi: i've looked into it, and the only way is to recompile it | 04:38 |
| Navi | :/ | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | because it doesn't allow it to be 'stuck' | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | (unstucks after pressing) | 04:38 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, I guess that would kind of make sense...it is annoying when apps break badly when they are forced to draw a window that's only ~200 pixels high | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: that too | 04:38 |
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| KotCzarny | the area on the right could be use for vkbd anyway | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | always-on-toped | 04:39 |
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| KotCzarny | so it's not a big loss | 04:39 |
| johnx | Before I would replace matchbox I'd have to find a way to force most apps to start maximized | 04:39 |
| johnx | devilspie might be able to? | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | .Xresources ? | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:40 |
| johnx | or a custom launch script | 04:40 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, aaah...with geometry? | 04:40 |
| johnx | hmm | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | for example | 04:40 |
| johnx | that's an interesting idea | 04:40 |
| KotCzarny | but i guess user's xresources aren't read/updated | 04:41 |
| KotCzarny | or are they? | 04:41 |
| johnx | I have no idea. you're the one that suggested it :P | 04:42 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 04:42 |
| KotCzarny | xkbd has issues too | 04:42 |
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| KotCzarny | but rocks over osk | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 04:51 |
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| KotCzarny | i've got an idea how to implement right mouse button | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | hah | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | anyone interested? :> | 04:58 |
| johnx | libgtkstylus from debian with tap-and-hold? | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | no. | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | simpler. | 04:59 |
| johnx | hold down a modifier key and tap? | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | no. | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | simpler | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | and more convenient | 04:59 |
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| johnx | ok, shoot | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | adding button for xkbd that will remap buttons 0 and 2 ;) | 05:00 |
| johnx | aaah, xmonobut | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | xmodmap can do it | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | so can xbkd | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | xkbd | 05:00 |
| johnx | xmonobut could live in the statusbar though | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | even minimizez xkbd shows 2 keys | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | first one is unminimize | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | second will be 'mb swap' | 05:01 |
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| KotCzarny | so it will take minimal space on the screen | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | and work wonders | 05:01 |
| johnx | sure, go for it. when it was called xmonobut it was kind of annoying though | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | 2 modes would be convenient | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | with and without timeout | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | or even better 'one-click' or 'sticky' | 05:02 |
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| johnx | one click would be nice | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | but then xkbd would need to catch all clicks | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: in ja2? naaaaah | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:03 |
| johnx | my biggest argument against xmonobut was the work-flow for right click to bring up a property menu goes like: click swap -> right click -> click swap -> click entry | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | let's hack then | 05:04 |
| johnx | sorry, got to get to eat some food and get to work in a bit :/ plus I never use right click :) | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | games use it | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | quite often | 05:05 |
| johnx | a note: clicks might count as x events...maybe you could use the same thing x screensaver does to see how long it's been since the last event... | 05:05 |
| johnx | plus, I'm poking at maemo on debian/zaurus right now :) | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:05 |
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| johnx | sapwood doesn't seem to work right on an armv5te...does that even make sense? | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | try without optimization? | 05:08 |
| johnx | yeah, I'll have to see what how it was built :/ | 05:08 |
| johnx | lots of: ** (sapwood-server:2021): WARNING **: unknown opcode: 0 | 05:08 |
| KotCzarny | fun | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | .te mean 'without vfp' ? | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:09 |
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| johnx | hmm...I don't see anything suspicious in the Makefiles or debian/rules... | 05:21 |
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| tyler_c6 | hello | 05:22 |
| johnx | hi | 05:22 |
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| ds3 | hmm | 05:59 |
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| KotCzarny | umkay | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | monobut added to xkbd | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | now, let's add some timout | 06:00 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 06:05 |
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| KotCzarny | can i xselectinput from display/win AND display/* ? | 06:05 |
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| ds3 | Pupnik - seems you have updated it since i last tried dosbox; this one behaves a lot better | 06:11 |
| ds3 | and different, it puts up a keyboard on the side; the old version I install did not do that | 06:11 |
| pupnik | keybd still has problems | 06:13 |
| pupnik | but i try to make it better | 06:13 |
| ds3 | it is a ton better | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik, wanna try my monobutton addition to xkbd ? | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:14 |
| pupnik | i do not understnad | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | ability to use tap as a right click | 06:14 |
| pupnik | xkbd has problems with shift key and some other keys in os2008 | 06:14 |
| ds3 | spoke too soon, xkbd stopped responding | 06:15 |
| pupnik | no really i think xkbd sucks and everyone should use bluetooth keyhboards | 06:15 |
| pupnik | and i think nokia fucking sucks | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 06:15 |
| ds3 | further update... all input has stopped | 06:15 |
| pupnik | for making the god damn keyboard gtk/hildon only | 06:15 |
| ds3 | bluetooth keyboard, hard buttons, on screen keyboard | 06:16 |
| Navi | Heh | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | better than apple, i guess | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:16 |
| ds3 | emulated mouse pointer seems to be the only thing working | 06:16 |
| pupnik | no mouse is impossible in dosbox too | 06:17 |
| pupnik | in the general sense | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | impossible is a bad work | 06:17 |
| ds3 | hmmmm | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | word | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | tricky is better | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:17 |
| ds3 | dosboxbin seems to be spinning on something | 06:17 |
| pupnik | there is no absolute mouse position in dos, KotCzarny | 06:17 |
| pupnik | you know that | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: hack, hack, hack | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | untill it works | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | *until | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | still, even with bt keyboard, how do you right click in ja2? | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | hah? | 06:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:18 |
| ds3 | so back to reporting problems - 1. Lost of all keyboard input; 2. Lost of ability to return to it as it is not in the window manager list but it is still running per top | 06:18 |
| pupnik | acknowledged ds3 | 06:19 |
| ds3 | pupnik: any ideas? :) | 06:20 |
| pupnik | that is status quo | 06:20 |
| ds3 | or actually anything you want me to gather before I kill -9 it? | 06:20 |
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| ds3 | okay bye bye dosboxbin | 06:22 |
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| pupnik | no thanks for testing | 06:25 |
| pupnik | those are just known limitations | 06:25 |
| ds3 | 'k cool | 06:25 |
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| ds3 | be nice to be able to run scorch earth on it but I can do with out ;) | 06:26 |
| pupnik | you can run pre-90s games if you have a bt kbd | 06:26 |
| Navi | fun | 06:26 |
| ds3 | but having to remember to kill -9 it or the battery goes flat is kind of a bummer | 06:27 |
| ds3 | i wish they release a final version of gvm or announce that they will not so I can start looking at pose | 06:28 |
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| lopz | bye | 06:34 |
| kulve | johnx: in armv5te the y is for thumb and e is for edsp, iirc. But I don't think there are any armv5 cpus around with vfp support. Not many at at least. | 06:37 |
| pupnik | no kust click on close app ds3 | 06:40 |
| pupnik | on the little x | 06:40 |
| pupnik | that closes dosbox | 06:40 |
| pupnik | or type 'exit' | 06:40 |
| KotCzarny | Copyright: (c) 2004 Nokia Oyj | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | 06:42 | |
| KotCzarny | Confidential. You are not free to do anything with this package, | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | unless you have a permission from Nokia Oyj. | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 06:42 |
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| KotCzarny | hildon-base-lib-dev disappeared in os2008? | 06:49 |
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| ds3 | pupnik: that does not work for me cuz I loose all access to it other then by ps/kill | 07:01 |
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| pupnik | ds3: you should always be able to kill dosbox with click on "X" in upper right | 07:03 |
| pupnik | this does not work? | 07:03 |
| KotCzarny | if app is not hildonized it doesn't always kill app | 07:03 |
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| ds3 | pupnik: no, you missed something... I loose the entire window. there is nothing to click on! | 07:12 |
| ds3 | sequence - start dosbox, maximize it, look around, loose ability to do any input, hit the home button to force stuff; select home from list. poof no way to get back to dosbox | 07:12 |
| pupnik | you minimised it ds3 | 07:13 |
| pupnik | hmm | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | 'minimized' | 07:13 |
| ds3 | it no longer shows up on the list | 07:13 |
| pupnik | oh it never shows up on the list | 07:13 |
| ds3 | yes! | 07:13 |
| pupnik | yeah | 07:13 |
| pupnik | that list sux | 07:13 |
| ds3 | I loose complete control of the app. Only recovery is via a shell and kill -9 it | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | 'hildonize me' | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:13 |
| pupnik | yah i tried to make it appear in the list and that broke | 07:14 |
| pupnik | so i was like fuck that | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | true | 07:14 |
| ds3 | thought that list was a normal window manager list of apps? | 07:14 |
| pupnik | no | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: yeah, 'normal' | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | that depends what you define as 'normal' | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:14 |
| ds3 | normal as in it would show up if I was running twm :P | 07:14 |
| pupnik | well it's part of the maemo guys | 07:15 |
| pupnik | and nthe nokia guys | 07:15 |
| pupnik | being nazi architects | 07:15 |
| pupnik | Yuu VILL do it OUAH way!! | 07:15 |
| pupnik | instead of just registereing x windows in the list | 07:15 |
| * KotCzarny is having dejavi | 07:15 | |
| KotCzarny | dejavu | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:15 |
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| pupnik | yeah 1939, poland | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | 2008, few hundreds lines before | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:16 |
| pupnik | oh | 07:16 |
| ds3 | hmmm if that is the case... wonder if someone could write a hybrid app that shows the output of something like xlsclients | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: it just needs dosbox.desktop file | 07:16 |
| pupnik | sorry ds3, it's not hard to make it appear in task list | 07:16 |
| KotCzarny | and proper x env variables set | 07:17 |
| ds3 | but adding that functionality to the cpu applet might be useful though | 07:17 |
| * KotCzarny is trying status-bar-clock applet | 07:18 | |
| KotCzarny | and libs/headers are missing. | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | and nowhere to be found for 2008 | 07:18 |
| KotCzarny | only 2007 | 07:18 |
| ds3 | the cpuload applet's clock feature is more then sufficient | 07:19 |
| ds3 | though I do wish it would update when the screen is locked | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | maybe dropping whole hildon idea wouldn't be so bad | 07:20 |
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| ds3 | :) | 07:24 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | i found a 100% way to break xkbd | 07:29 |
| KotCzarny | don't use stylus but finger to tap | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | or not | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | it's not that | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | it's because it's the only app | 07:30 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | problem with xkbd is that it doesnt' use keypress/release properly | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | sticky keys should generat only kp/kr at once, not both | 07:47 |
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| * truls_ prefers xkcd | 07:54 | |
| KotCzarny | does it generate keysyms? | 07:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:55 |
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| truls | i'd hope not :) | 07:55 |
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| jones- | Hi all. Is Gazpacho available for Maemo 4? | 10:49 |
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| jones- | I tried to apt-get install it inside scratchbox, but it couldn't find it. | 10:50 |
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| johnx | jones-, did you check on gronmayer.com/it ? | 10:58 |
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| jones- | johnx: checking, thanks. | 11:01 |
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| jones- | johnx: it says it's not there. | 11:03 |
| johnx | guess not then, it's usually worth checking there though | 11:04 |
| jones- | johnx: would you say it means it's not supported or simply it's not been packaged? | 11:04 |
| johnx | I have no idea | 11:05 |
| johnx | gronmayer.com/it just covers repositories | 11:05 |
| jones- | Ok, I'll hang around in case somebody knows. | 11:05 |
| johnx | it's possible it's packaged but not in a repo, or that it's compileable but not packaged | 11:05 |
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| Tama^2 | is openssh package in the repo broken? | 11:20 |
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| Tama^2 | I cannot update, it complains about a missing dependency | 11:20 |
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| johnx | what dep is it missing? | 11:28 |
| Tama^2 | openssh-common | 11:28 |
| Tama^2 | O.o | 11:28 |
| johnx | hmm | 11:28 |
| johnx | I smell conflicint repositories | 11:29 |
| johnx | s/conflicint/conflicting/g | 11:29 |
| infobot | johnx meant: I smell conflicting repositories | 11:29 |
| Tama^2 | arrgh | 11:29 |
| johnx | hmm...let me check though | 11:29 |
| * johnx apt-get upgrade s | 11:29 | |
| johnx | "works for me" (tm) | 11:30 |
| Tama^2 | thanks for checking | 11:35 |
| johnx | try apt-cache policy openssh-server | 11:36 |
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| Tama^2 | openssh-server: | 11:37 |
| Tama^2 | Installed: 1:4.3p2-9 | 11:37 |
| Tama^2 | Candidate: 1:4.3p2-9 | 11:37 |
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| Tama^2 | mmm | 11:37 |
| Tama^2 | the package mgr wants to update it >.< | 11:38 |
| johnx | hmm | 11:39 |
| johnx | what does apt-get upgrade want to do? | 11:39 |
| johnx | could the app mgr actually have different version sorting than apt? | 11:39 |
| Tama^2 | nothing | 11:40 |
| Tama^2 | upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 11:40 |
| johnx | awesome | 11:40 |
| Tama^2 | weird | 11:41 |
| Tama^2 | s/weird/b0rken ;)/ | 11:41 |
| johnx | interesting, I'm on openssh 4.7p1-2.maemo1 | 11:41 |
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| Tama^2 | err | 11:42 |
| Tama^2 | wait | 11:42 |
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| Tama^2 | Nokia-N800-51-3:~# apt-cache policy openssh-server | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | openssh-server: | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | Installed: 1:4.6p1-5.maemo3 | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | Candidate: 1:4.7p1-2.maemo1 | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | Version table: | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | 1:4.7p1-2.maemo1 0 | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | *** 1:4.6p1-5.maemo3 0 | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | 1:4.6p1-5.maemo2 0 | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages | 11:43 |
| Tama^2 | 1:4.6p1-5.maemo1 0 | 11:44 |
| Tama^2 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages | 11:44 |
| Tama^2 | (before I logged on the other arm based toy I have here ;) ) | 11:44 |
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| johnx | aaah...what is it? | 11:46 |
| Tama^2 | nslu2 | 11:46 |
| johnx | running debian? | 11:46 |
| Tama^2 | yes :) | 11:46 |
| Tama^2 | Linux nslug 2.6.18-6-ixp4xx #1 Tue Feb 12 00:57:53 UTC 2008 armv5tel | 11:47 |
| johnx | easy to mistake. You should hand out hostnames via dhcp :) | 11:47 |
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| Jsoet | A couple quick questions... What's the preferred (re: simplest) method for developing network applications? Is it sdl_net? Second, assuming it is, what is the pkg to call for it using pkg-config? Is it installed by default? | 11:47 |
| Tama^2 | I usually do, but I did not fix the N800 scripts to request an hostname after the last reflash | 11:47 |
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| inz | Joset, it depends pretty much on what you want to do and what UI framework your application uses | 11:49 |
| Tama^2 | Jsoet: on ITOS you should use libconic (I think) to bring the network up/down and get a connection | 11:49 |
| Tama^2 | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libconic/index.html | 11:50 |
| Jsoet | yeah, I know to use libconic to get a connection, but for the actual network communication, like you still need to use sockets and stuff like that don't you? | 11:51 |
| Jsoet | And I'll be using hildon/gtk+ for my UI | 11:52 |
| inz | Then you don't want to use SDL_net | 11:52 |
| inz | There are some socket abstraction libraries for glib | 11:53 |
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| Jsoet | Oh, the stuff like this? http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/2.15/glib-IO-Channels.html I found some stuff about that but I couldn't really find any examples so I thought the sdl stuff would be easier... do you know of any examples or tutorials or stuff for it? Or do you think it'd be easier to use it anyway? | 11:54 |
| inz | The IO Channels surely are nice, but by themselves they're not enough | 11:55 |
| Jsoet | So what else would I have to use? Like the sys/socket.h stuff to actually get a socket? Or is there something else? | 11:56 |
| inz | GNet is at least one option (http://www.gnetlibrary.org/) | 11:56 |
| inz | I haven't actually done any proper network programming (just http requests), so I don't really know anything about them | 11:57 |
| inz | But surely you can also use socket() etc calls and create a iochannel for the socket to listen for it | 11:57 |
| Jsoet | hm, is that gnet included in maemo do you know? | 11:57 |
| Jsoet | hmm, how did you just do http requests and stuff like that though? Did you use this gnet library or did you use the socket() calls? Really, I'm just doing a little school project and that's all I really need is just http requests. | 11:59 |
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| inz | For http requests you probably want to use a http library instead of generic socket library | 11:59 |
| inz | Maemo includes curl | 11:59 |
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| inz | I've used libsoup mostly because it is glib based | 12:00 |
| Jsoet | ah, seriously? Thank you, that is so useful | 12:00 |
| Jsoet | is libsoup included with maemo? | 12:01 |
| inz | Nope :( | 12:01 |
| inz | I had to package it separately | 12:02 |
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| inz | What makes it even less fun, is that maemo includes openssl but libsoup use gnutls | 12:02 |
| Jsoet | ahh... I think I'll just use libcurl then, that sounds like a lot of work | 12:03 |
| inz | Well, I have the packages in my repository and they're also nowadays in extras-devel | 12:04 |
| Jsoet | hmm, well, I dunno, I'll look into both of them I guess and see... anyway, thanks a lot for your help in pointing me in the right direction at least, that's a lot of help | 12:05 |
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| inz | Happy hacking! | 12:08 |
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| webustany | hi there. I should soon get my hands on a N810, and of course I'd like to develop on it. I'm running a 64 bits system, and saw there's some effort to port scratchbox to x86_64. Is it woth the try, or is the vmware-maemo a better option ? | 12:52 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 13:21 |
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| b0unc3 | why I cannot see the comments for my app on downloads.maemo.org ? | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | b0unc3: Which app? | 13:24 |
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| b0unc3 | X-Fade: https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/wizard-mounter/ | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | b0unc3: There are no comments? | 13:26 |
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| b0unc3 | X-Fade: 2 votes - 50 downloads | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, those are just votes.. | 13:27 |
| b0unc3 | votes can be without comments ?? | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | yep.. | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | Even anonymous.. | 13:27 |
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| b0unc3 | oh ok... | 13:33 |
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| Spakman | I'm hosting my own copy of wget for dependency reasons. However, when trying to install my package I'm told that wget is a missing dependency (wget is available to install individually). Any ideas how to debug this? My other dependencies are working fine. | 13:34 |
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| qgil | hi there, I want to start podcasting about maemo stuff. Any recommended/preferred service? Free of cost, popular, open source friendly... | 13:50 |
| X-Fade | qgil: I can setup something at podshow.com if you would like? That won't cost anything. | 13:52 |
| qgil | hi X-Fade, to tell you the truth I have no preferences - whatever is seen as good and useful by the maemo community | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Well, anyone can ;) | 13:54 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: sure, the question is not about "can" but about "where". | 13:55 |
| qgil | (checking this podshow.com) | 13:55 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: At least Nokia has some arrangement with them already ;) http://podshowoffers.com/nokia-n810-coupon-code-internet-tablet.php | 13:57 |
| qgil | alright then: podshow.com is the current candidate for hosting a maemo podcast - anyone has a better candidate? | 13:57 |
| qgil | links with Nokia are not a decision criteria - open source friendlyness are a stronger factor (at least for me) :) | 13:58 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:03 |
| qgil | X-Fade: if you want to setup the maemo podcast that would be great. In the meantime I'm editing the audio file of Ari Jaaksi's talk yesterday at OSiM USA | 14:05 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Sure, what name do you want to give it? | 14:06 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Do you still want to test the maemo autobuilder? | 14:06 |
| qgil | what name do _you_ want to give it? | 14:06 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: Well, that depends on what the podcast will be about. How wide will the topic reach? | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Maemo community podcast? | 14:08 |
| qgil | X-Fade: it's about maemo, software, open source, community, hacks............ | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Ok, so not only maemo then? Something more Open Source related? | 14:10 |
| qgil | X-Fade: it's not about Nokia, tablets (hardware), non-free software (although we can discuss those things as well, just not as main topics) | 14:11 |
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| qgil | should be a place where any maemo developer / hacker / enthusiast could upload / aggregate their stuff - I mean is community centric not Nokia centric | 14:12 |
| qgil | Nokia employees just like me might post as well, but that's it, just like anybody else | 14:12 |
| qgil | do you think the idea makes sense? | 14:12 |
| qgil | we discussed it somewhere in Jaiku some weeks ago (can't find the link now) | 14:13 |
| X-Fade | I'll look it up.. | 14:13 |
| qgil | starting with a presentation of Ari Jaaksi is not the most community-centric start we could have but well, better than nothing imho | 14:13 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: Hmm I can't find it in your jaiky comments either.. | 14:15 |
| X-Fade | But I have seen them before.. | 14:16 |
| X-Fade | ah! | 14:16 |
| X-Fade | qgil: http://jaiku.com/channel/maemo/presence/24985609 | 14:16 |
| X-Fade | MaemoMatters? | 14:17 |
| qgil | why not | 14:19 |
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| X-Fade | I'm sorry guys. The database for bugzilla is down, we are working on it. | 14:20 |
| qgil | (it's been soooooo long since I last played with Audacity) | 14:20 |
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| MoRpHeUz | qgil: are you coming to bossa conference ? | 14:49 |
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| qgil | MoRpHeUz: sadly not I had to go to OSiM USA and that is all the no-family-responsibilities time I could get this month :) | 14:55 |
| MoRpHeUz | qgil: hehe, maybe a visit some time in the future ;-) | 14:55 |
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| MoRpHeUz | about the podcast, I think it's better to have more and smaller podcast than a big one... =) | 14:58 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: I got the audio file. Now... letçs talk about practicalities | 15:23 |
| qgil | I guess the right thing is to export it to ogg & mp3 | 15:24 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: I made an account. Now I see they only support mp3, m4a, mp4, 3gp, mpeg4, mpeg, mpg4, m4v, mov, wma, and wmv | 15:25 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: you see I had a reason to mention open source friendliness ;) | 15:26 |
| johnx | I don't think there are many people who can play mp3 but not ogg... | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | johnx: Well, every tablet user by default? | 15:27 |
| johnx | s/mp3 but not ogg/ogg but not mp3/g | 15:27 |
| infobot | johnx meant: I don't think there are many people who can play ogg but not mp3... | 15:27 |
| johnx | oops :) | 15:27 |
| * johnx must be tired... | 15:27 | |
| qgil | To tell you the truth, I don't even go through this debate, this is why I thought about offering both - exporting is easy | 15:28 |
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| qgil | anyway, another option is to start with mp3 only since podshow.com is the default candidate and if anybody has a better suggestion then let's move there | 15:29 |
| johnx | probably a good plan | 15:29 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: yeah, we can always move it.. | 15:29 |
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| qgil | alright. now Audacity is asking me whether /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 is in place :) | 15:30 |
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| X-Fade | Must be a fedora thing :) | 15:31 |
| qgil | in Ubuntu? | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | apt-get install lame? | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | ehm no liblame0 | 15:32 |
| qgil | (why do I obey blindlyto remote advice in IRC chatrooms?) ;) | 15:33 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: alright, is exporting. I'm going to create a podshow account - what else? | 15:37 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: Can't find how I can add a second owner of a show :( | 15:37 |
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| qgil | heh | 15:37 |
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| qgil | well, I need to upload this file now - we'll figure out what to do next | 15:39 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Ok, do you have a podshow account yet? | 15:39 |
| qgil | in the meantime, anybody knows where can we have a podcast hosted with multiple uploaders and ogg support? | 15:39 |
| qgil | X-Fade: just registered - "qgil" | 15:41 |
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| qgil | omg - yet another site that wants to build my network of friends by sniffing my gmail account | 15:42 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: Well, I think the easiest way for you now is to click upload and create a show.. | 15:43 |
| jones- | Hello. What gtk widget should I use to create something that looks like a spreadsheet? | 15:44 |
| jones- | I tried TreeView but can't find a way to have the cells with a border, in Hildon. | 15:44 |
| johnx | no real idea, but you could look at the source for gnumeric if no one else here knows | 15:44 |
| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:44 |
| qgil | X-Fade: another potential requirement: CC licenses at hand | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | Bugzilla is working again btw.. | 15:46 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: more potential reqs: no ads (currently I'm getting a big Samsung banner at http://flors.podshow.com - which is kinda funny :) | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | qgil: What if we setup a podcast page at maemo.org? :) And link to the feed there? | 15:52 |
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| qgil | X-Fade: before I'd like to know how to upload a sound file............. I see video upload a thousand ""social"" stuff, but no upload podcast thing | 15:54 |
| X-Fade | edit episode. | 15:55 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Edit ->show episodes->add new episode ;) | 15:59 |
| qgil | X-Fade: to make it funnier the "episode" word is not in this Edit page... | 16:00 |
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| X-Fade | qgil: You have to click on 'show control' for that. | 16:01 |
| qgil | aha, getting there... | 16:01 |
| qgil | yeah, I was in "master control" (very user intuitive) | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Yeah, it seems they need to hire a useability expert there. | 16:02 |
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| msh_ | evening. anyone use the gpsmgr stuff? I'm puzzled why maemomapper's not working... | 16:03 |
| qgil | X-Fade: uploading... thanks! | 16:05 |
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| eichi | damn maemo mapper. i have allways problems with the map database | 16:11 |
| eichi | got read write errors etc. | 16:11 |
| eichi | someone knows this? | 16:11 |
| msh_ | eichi: I just had problems this evening with it on the internal mmc due to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14416 | 16:12 |
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| pepie34 | is the extras repository down ? | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | pepie34: Works for me. | 16:14 |
| pepie34 | very slow very very very slow | 16:15 |
| eichi | but i formated the extern sd card several times. it only works few minutes, then same problem again | 16:15 |
| pepie34 | even the web site is very very very .... very slow | 16:15 |
| msh_ | I'm not sure sqlite is meant to work that well on fat32 | 16:15 |
| msh_ | though enough people seem to use it... | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | pepie34: both seem to work just fine for me. | 16:16 |
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| pepie34 | other web sote are ok | 16:16 |
| pepie34 | i'am in france | 16:16 |
| pepie34 | may be network problem | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | I'm in NL. | 16:16 |
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| pepie34 | not far so | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | Well, it is closer to Finland. But not that much. | 16:19 |
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| X-Fade | There repository is mirrored by akamai, so you might hit a different server than I do. | 16:19 |
| pepie34 | X-Fade FR-NL <=> 50km | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | pepie34: Well, 200 orso. But ;) | 16:22 |
| pepie34 | but the maemo.org is in Finland? | 16:22 |
| eichi | msh_, its seems to be a problem with write read persmission with maemo mapper | 16:22 |
| eichi | i cant delete the databasefile with the filemanager anymore | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Sound OK! :) | 16:23 |
| eichi | but it was createt 2 minutes ago with meamo mapper | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | qgil: The flors feed looks ok. | 16:25 |
| qgil | http://www.podshow.com/shows/?mode=detail&episode_id=103694 | 16:25 |
| qgil | are you seeing my email address or is it just me? | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | I see you gmail. | 16:25 |
| qgil | interesting... | 16:26 |
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| qgil | anyway, I have to get a shower and some breakfast (I'm still in San Francisco) I will blog about this later on | 16:26 |
| pupnik | eichi you may need to reformat internal mmc | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | qgil: Please add the slides too. | 16:27 |
| qgil | thanks for your help, see you later! | 16:27 |
| pupnik | cheers qgil | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | qgil: It is a bit hard to follow without them.. | 16:27 |
| pupnik | thanks for the n810 | 16:27 |
| qgil | the slides are just pictures but I get your point | 16:27 |
| qgil | in the blog entry | 16:27 |
| qgil | when I publish it, I will upload the pdf there | 16:28 |
| X-Fade | Ok. | 16:28 |
| qgil | in fact the core of the story is explained at http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/ | 16:29 |
| qgil | I'm a bit surprised he didn't get almost any comment | 16:29 |
| qgil | any feedback is welcome | 16:29 |
| pepie34 | downloading openssh is impossible and the website is very slow.... | 16:29 |
| qgil | (perhaps it is more interesting to discuss about thing not working properly in the tablets) ;) | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | pepie34: It seems openssh is broken in extras. the -common package is missing. | 16:29 |
| pepie34 | what o you mean by broken? | 16:30 |
| pepie34 | i try also openssh-client openssh-server | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | pepie34: You can't install it at the moment. | 16:31 |
| pepie34 | both do not download | 16:31 |
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| pepie34 | is there an other to gain root privilege? | 16:31 |
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| pepie34 | X-Fade, you can't install the deb or can't download the deb? | 16:32 |
| pepie34 | because now i can't download it | 16:32 |
| X-Fade | I can download it, but it is missing dependencies. | 16:32 |
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| pepie34 | strange | 16:33 |
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| pepie34 | how can maemo.org works on my laptop | 16:47 |
| pepie34 | everyother site works on the n800 | 16:47 |
| pepie34 | but no way to connect maemo.org? | 16:47 |
| pepie34 | with the n800 | 16:47 |
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| pepie34 | X-Fade it seems to work now | 16:55 |
| pepie34 | openssh installed | 16:55 |
| pepie34 | i've got warnings when ssh root@localhost | 16:56 |
| pepie34 | but can login | 16:56 |
| pepie34 | can login from network too | 16:58 |
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| lopz | hi | 17:20 |
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| schu | hi, anyone get booting off mmc slot working with n800 and latest os2008? | 17:28 |
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| Spakman | Has anyone seen alterego around here recently? | 17:33 |
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| Tobotras | whose alter ego? | 17:34 |
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| rmartinez | hi, can anyone tell me a repository address to get kismet (n770 OS2007)?? | 17:46 |
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| johnx | rmartinez, let me see if I can find anything... | 17:47 |
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| johnx | I found it on gronmayer.com/it for OS2006...it should work with 2007HE, I would guess | 17:49 |
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| johnx | nevermind...it was on eko.one.pl/maemo but I guess they took down the OS2006 repo :( | 17:50 |
| rmartinez | thanks, johnx | 17:51 |
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| KotCzarny | yawn | 17:59 |
| freelikegnu | johnx: how goes? | 18:01 |
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| eichi | pupnik, why formatting the INTERNAL? i have problems with the external | 18:06 |
| eichi | i can see that maemo mapper seems to remount mmc extern from rw to ro | 18:06 |
| eichi | dont know, why | 18:06 |
| eichi | very scarry | 18:06 |
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| KotCzarny | 'scary' | 18:06 |
| KotCzarny | scarry is kinda emo | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:07 |
| eichi | ;) | 18:07 |
| eichi | not my day, not ma language ;D | 18:07 |
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| eichi | is there a maemo mapper mailinglist or something like that? | 18:07 |
| eichi | cant find any | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | eichi: i believe it's not the maemo mapper problem | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | you can try: dmesg | tail -n 20 | 18:08 |
| KotCzarny | my guess it's writing too fast and then card freaks out | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | and drama ensues | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:09 |
| KotCzarny | (read only) | 18:09 |
| X-Fade_ | My guess is that you have write errors on your card. | 18:09 |
| pupnik | eichi: if the device is switching to ro, it might be due to a partition table error. | 18:09 |
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| eichi | ahh okay, that cound be the problem. cause i got it, after downloading some maps | 18:09 |
| eichi | X-Fade_, i formatted it many times.. | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | but have you created new partition? | 18:10 |
| X-Fade_ | eichi: dmesg should show them.. | 18:10 |
| KotCzarny | or used the one from factory | 18:10 |
| eichi | without maemo mapper it works fine. fotos, ogg etc | 18:10 |
| eichi | KotCzarny, dont know | 18:10 |
| eichi | but its not a nokia sd kard | 18:11 |
| eichi | card | 18:11 |
| qwerty12 | Maybe its worth using the Panasonic SD formatter mentioned on Internet tablet talk? | 18:12 |
| Navi | I get it sometimes when I don't cleanly unmount crap. Any card I stick in mounts ro | 18:13 |
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| Navi | but rebooting the device fixes it | 18:13 |
| KotCzarny | rebooting runs disk checker | 18:14 |
| Navi | Doesn't matter | 18:14 |
| Navi | SD card's not in the slot when I reboot | 18:14 |
| KotCzarny | eichi, try opening/closing battery cover? | 18:14 |
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| KotCzarny | this should trigger remount loop | 18:14 |
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| eichi | there is something with EAC mode: play disable, rec disable | 18:15 |
| KotCzarny | that's power saving | 18:15 |
| eichi | is this something from mmc? | 18:15 |
| KotCzarny | doesn't matter | 18:15 |
| eichi | aah okay | 18:15 |
| eichi | then there is no message from mmc | 18:15 |
| Jsn0327 | does anyone know where i can find the black theme shown here http://browser.garage.maemo.org/pics/wml.png ??? | 18:16 |
| KotCzarny | it's os2007 | 18:16 |
| KotCzarny | i believe | 18:16 |
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| qwerty12 | It is os2007 | 18:17 |
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| Jsn0327 | will it work with 08? | 18:17 |
| KotCzarny | if someone ported it to it.. | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Does os2007 themes need modification to work with os2008? If not, I will probably unpack 2007 image | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | oh skeen | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | I just got your message now | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | Are png/jpg/image files named the same in os2007 as in os2008? | 18:18 |
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| Jsn0327 | i don't know i'm new to meamo | 18:21 |
| qwerty12 | Same here, I got mine 2 months ago but I've learnt quite a bit? @KotCzarny or anyone, know where to get the sigc++-2.0' package for scratchbox? Thanks :) | 18:23 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 18:25 |
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| KotCzarny | i don't know if skype depends on it | 18:26 |
| KotCzarny | Package: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | Filename: pool/chinook/free/libs/libsigc++-2.0/libsigc++-2.0-0c2a_2.0.17-0maemo2_armel.deb | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | it's in extras | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | i believe | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | Ok, thanks :) | 18:27 |
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| Jsn0327 | sratchbox is used to compile source code for maemo's kernal right? | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | Not really kernel | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | But for the maemo os | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | but maemo isnt a os - lol, im wasted :P | 18:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:29 |
| Jsn0327 | lol | 18:31 |
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| thopiekar | hi there | 18:56 |
| thopiekar | has somebody time for me to help me mount my external harddrive?? | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 18:57 |
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| thopiekar | with ntfs-3g | 18:57 |
| thopiekar | .. | 18:57 |
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| KotCzarny | have toy got fuse an ntfs--3g compiled? | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | s/toy/you/ | 18:58 |
| infobot | KotCzarny meant: have you got fuse an ntfs--3g compiled? | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | s/an/a/ | 18:58 |
| infobot | KotCzarny meant: have toy got fuse a ntfs--3g compiled? | 18:58 |
| thopiekar | i have installed the packages from the iTT-forum... | 19:02 |
| thopiekar | ... | 19:02 |
| thopiekar | they say it should work but it doesn't | 19:02 |
| KotCzarny | define 'doesn't' | 19:02 |
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| pupnik | so anybody got news on fmopl.c running on the DSP? :/ | 19:20 |
| thopiekar | so can you help me make my external harddrive work under my n800?? | 19:20 |
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| pupnik | i have no idea | 19:22 |
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| thopiekar | http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17811 | 19:26 |
| thopiekar | but it doesn't work for me.. | 19:27 |
| Navi | What's the default user password? | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | blank | 19:27 |
| KotCzarny | it's locked | 19:28 |
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| Navi | can't SSH in as user? | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | you have to use passwd util to set one | 19:28 |
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| KotCzarny | yup | 19:28 |
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| Navi | meh | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | set a password | 19:28 |
| KotCzarny | then you will | 19:28 |
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| pupnik | check out the builder for maemo-extras https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?BuildMe&id=602&type=g | 19:30 |
| * Mousey wishes he could build things for maemo | 19:30 | |
| Navi | cool. | 19:30 |
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| achadwick | Oh good; will somebody be setting up an autobuild daemon then? | 19:32 |
| pupnik | don't know | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | add autohildonizer | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:36 |
| Navi | :P | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | that would be cool | 19:36 |
| Navi | What if the autohildonizer was actually a chinese sweatshop? | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | navi: as long it does the right job, i don't mind | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/sys/599978424.html | 19:37 |
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| KotCzarny | huh | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | vista on handheld? | 19:38 |
| Navi | only 1200, awesome | 19:38 |
| Navi | yeah | 19:38 |
| * KotCzarny throws up | 19:38 | |
| Navi | all the cool UMPCs come with it | 19:38 |
| Jsn0327 | i installed the plankton theme. does anyone know how to change the panel icons to match the theme? | 19:38 |
| Mousey | uh | 19:38 |
| Mousey | anyone got a bead on wesnoth 1.4 for maemo? | 19:38 |
| Mousey | speaking of autohildonizing | 19:38 |
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| pupnik | there's a wesnoth iirc | 19:45 |
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| Mousey | yea, 1.2 | 19:46 |
| Mousey | have it | 19:46 |
| Mousey | but 1.4 just came out | 19:46 |
| Mousey | now's my chance to prove to the hotties that i'm really l33t! | 19:46 |
| Mousey | but i don't know who's maintaining the package, and/or if there's gonna be a new one | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | it's a battle isle clone? | 19:47 |
| Mousey | what's battle isle? | 19:48 |
| * Mousey googles | 19:48 | |
| KotCzarny | strategy game with hexa field | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | i remember it from amiga times | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:48 |
| Mousey | ah, no | 19:49 |
| Mousey | fantasy genre | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | but strategy battle etc. ? | 19:49 |
| Mousey | hmm, yea i guess so | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | then it's a clone | 19:49 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 19:49 |
| Mousey | it's super fun | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | imo | 19:49 |
| Mousey | well all TBS's are clones in that case | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Battle_Isle_2_screenshot.png | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:50 |
| Mousey | can't build structures | 19:51 |
| Mousey | you're undercutting it by comparing it to something so quaint, tho | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | it's from 1993 | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | mind you | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:51 |
| pupnik | two wesnoth threads: | 19:51 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13944&highlight=wesnoth | 19:51 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5338&highlight=wesnoth | 19:51 |
| Mousey | pupnik: thx!!!!! | 19:52 |
| Mousey | i think i should probably start reading itt more often if i'm gonna own this thing huh | 19:52 |
| pupnik | and use the search function too :) | 19:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:52 |
| pope523 | I've somehow managed to break my ability to update software with apt-get and the Application Manager. Whenevr I try to update any packages, it tells me it can't because there are dependancies that aren't available. Can someone help me please? | 19:53 |
| KotCzarny | have you removed some repos? | 19:54 |
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| pope523 | I had not when this all started. Since then, I've removed them all and then added all the repositories from this page: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=125 | 19:55 |
| pope523 | I also tried reflashing and not restoring my Applications list from my backup | 19:55 |
| pope523 | OS2008 on N800, btw | 19:55 |
| KotCzarny | huh.. too much is a bad thing | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | usually | 19:56 |
| pupnik | apt-get update as root from xterm? | 19:56 |
| pope523 | pupnik: That fails. Hold on and I'll get you the error msg. | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | also i see maemo-bora | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | on the list you have shown | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | that will break your dependencies | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | start with the top 5 repos | 19:57 |
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| pope523 | I was having this problem before adding those repos. I will delete them all and just add the top 5 though | 19:58 |
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| desertc | Hey - one of my most favorite features in OS2008 is the integration of chat, SIP, and other protocols in one presence application. | 19:58 |
| desertc | Is that called Mission Control? | 19:58 |
| desertc | http://mission-control.sourceforge.net/ | 19:58 |
| Robot101 | that's part of it | 20:00 |
| desertc | I was reading on the latest GNOME release notes that they integrated this Nokia developed package, so it made me ponder whether it was developed for Maemo or not. | 20:00 |
| Robot101 | it's mainly based on the telepathy framework | 20:00 |
| Robot101 | http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/ | 20:00 |
| qwerty12 | Yes, look at http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ - the feedback section | 20:00 |
| desertc | It is so awesome. I have three different SIP accounts routed through it, yet the configuration is so simple. | 20:01 |
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| desertc | These are the kind of features that will make people want to move toward open communication standards. | 20:02 |
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| desertc | ... and away from the current Skype standard. | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | that, and marketing | 20:02 |
| pope523 | Ok, I deleted all my repos, then re-added just the first 5 on that list | 20:04 |
| pope523 | Now apt-get update and the apt-get upgrade? | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | update i guess | 20:04 |
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| desertc | People don't care much about the fact Skype is closed, but open protocols have the potential for great interconnectivity. That's something people will use decisively. Just taking a long time for it to happen. (Love to see a SIP and Jabber API in Firefox, for example.) | 20:07 |
| KotCzarny | tell that to phone companies.. | 20:07 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | what an example of a SIP account? | 20:08 |
| desertc | I talked a couple of my Linux-using buddies into getting N800s. One of them started using (can't remember the application name) so he can roll his mouse off his desktop and onto the N800 and start typing there. Pretty cool. | 20:09 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | synergy? | 20:09 |
| desertc | Yes | 20:09 |
| magicrobotmonkey | huh didnt know it had been ported, thats interesting | 20:09 |
| magicrobotmonkey | i use it for desktop and lappy | 20:09 |
| desertc | This is the fastest, easiest way to get started with SIP: http://gizmo5.com/pc/products/desktop/ | 20:10 |
| magicrobotmonkey | oh right | 20:10 |
| desertc | Google talk also supports SIP, but Gizmo makes it easy to call POTS (regular telephone) lines | 20:10 |
| Mousey | bbl | 20:10 |
| Mousey | ntyc | 20:10 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | is sip mainly for voice? | 20:10 |
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| desertc | SIP is all voice | 20:11 |
| magicrobotmonkey | oh ok | 20:11 |
| pope523 | I thought GTalk was Jabber | 20:11 |
| desertc | SIP is nice because it can get over NAT gateways easily | 20:11 |
| magicrobotmonkey | im trying to figure out the best way to get a local number i can answer on my n810 | 20:11 |
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| desertc | Gizmo | 20:11 |
| desertc | no question in my mind, Gizmo is what you want to get started | 20:12 |
| magicrobotmonkey | are you very familiar with it? | 20:12 |
| desertc | Yes | 20:12 |
| pope523 | Vonage will give you a 2nd line that you can configure on any SIP client for $10 a month | 20:12 |
| pope523 | 500 mins outgoign calls, unlimited incoming | 20:12 |
| magicrobotmonkey | so can I do like, if my n810 is online, i can get a call their, otherwise, home computer can answering-machine it? | 20:12 |
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| desertc | well - not sure about that | 20:13 |
| desertc | I use it in replacement of a home line | 20:13 |
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| pope523 | magicrobotmonkey: voicemail for SIP accounts is usually server-based I think. | 20:13 |
| magicrobotmonkey | so you pay gizmo for a local number? | 20:13 |
| desertc | if you don't pick it up, then it goes to a voice mail that emails you | 20:13 |
| magicrobotmonkey | ahh i see | 20:13 |
| magicrobotmonkey | right | 20:14 |
| Robot101 | desertc: google talk is much better at getting over NATs thant SIP | 20:14 |
| Robot101 | SIP usually works because your provider gateways every single call and they're not behind a NAT | 20:14 |
| Robot101 | with gtalk, google only need to gateway about 5% of calls | 20:14 |
| desertc | Robot101: Okay - and the OS2008 lets you integrate those two together | 20:14 |
| Robot101 | yes, its nice isn't it :D | 20:14 |
| Robot101 | we're working on a GNOME UI for it | 20:14 |
| Robot101 | called Empathy | 20:14 |
| Robot101 | http://live.gnome.org/Empathy | 20:14 |
| desertc | magicrobotmonkey: http://gizmo5.com/pc/network/callin-numbers/?PHPSESSID=b53f618be14ec255cdbc6c72eb3107f0 | 20:15 |
| desertc | oops, disregard the part after /? | 20:15 |
| desertc | What you want is a "Call In" featue | 20:15 |
| desertc | *feature | 20:15 |
| desertc | They have (603) numbers | 20:15 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea | 20:16 |
| magicrobotmonkey | i was looking for that | 20:16 |
| magicrobotmonkey | thanks | 20:16 |
| desertc | I got the call-in number for a year and a ton of call-out minutes --- cost me much less than one month of cell phone use | 20:16 |
| magicrobotmonkey | heh no kidding | 20:17 |
| desertc | Then, I found an even better deal on call-out minutes (about 0.01$ less per minute) and I tied THAT account into my N800 too | 20:17 |
| magicrobotmonkey | whoa | 20:17 |
| desertc | So now I have Gizmo, Diamond (cheap callout), and Google Talk all under the same interface | 20:18 |
| magicrobotmonkey | first it says $35/year, then $99/year | 20:18 |
| desertc | All transparent to me | 20:18 |
| magicrobotmonkey | oh so you dont need to install gizmo? | 20:18 |
| desertc | Gizmo is a pre-configured package on the N800, but there seems to be an integrated communication package already on the N800 by default | 20:18 |
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| desertc | It just says Internet Call in the menu | 20:19 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | right, thats what i mean | 20:19 |
| desertc | That's not Gizmo | 20:20 |
| desertc | But it will work with your Gizmo account | 20:20 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | do you know how google's grandcentral works? | 20:20 |
| desertc | The thing I like about Gizmo is it gives you the ability to download a Gizmo client on any OS, and use your SIP account | 20:21 |
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| desertc | And it has support, unlike Diamond | 20:21 |
| desertc | I know a little bit about G.C. | 20:21 |
| magicrobotmonkey | is that sip too? | 20:21 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | (geez, nh numberws are 3x the base price) | 20:22 |
| desertc | Not totally sure. It's still in beta. It has a nice call-in dialog though! | 20:22 |
| desertc | magicrobotmonkey: NH has always had problems with their tel-coms | 20:22 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea, i've been watching it, but they have no nh numbers | 20:22 |
| magicrobotmonkey | heh | 20:22 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | live free or die! | 20:22 |
| desertc | read: monopoly | 20:23 |
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| desertc | what's nice is you can get a number anywhere - - you want to get a NYC number? sure, no problem | 20:23 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea | 20:23 |
| desertc | you want to move across the country and keep your NH number? sure, no problem | 20:24 |
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| desertc | and so cheap. I pay about $20 every three or four months for my call-out minutes. Contrast that to my $100 a month for my cell phone | 20:25 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | yea | 20:25 |
| magicrobotmonkey | im looking at 100/year for a call-in | 20:25 |
| magicrobotmonkey | so, 1/12 my cell bill | 20:26 |
| desertc | $100? I thought they were $35/year | 20:26 |
| desertc | Oh, for the NH number, it's more you said | 20:26 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea | 20:26 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | first i have to make sure one of those numbers is actually a local call from my town though | 20:27 |
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| MoRpHeUz | anybody using opensync with the tablet ? | 20:28 |
| desertc | Q: Why is Firefox not saving my username / passwords ? | 20:29 |
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| desertc | oops - I guess it is sometimes. just not for some pages that Opera was handling before | 20:30 |
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| desertc | magicrobotmonkey: The Call-In feature is expensive because they have to negotiate that with the phone companies. Once everyone moves to SIP-to-SIP calling, we're going to be making calls worldwide for peanuts. | 20:31 |
| magicrobotmonkey | right | 20:32 |
| desertc | and that's going to happen sooner than people think. All the linux cellphones coming out this year ... you can bet they will support SIP calling | 20:33 |
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| desertc | The question is -- will we all be using cell-phone infrastructure to get on the net, or a more open wi-fi or wi-max network. | 20:34 |
| Robot101 | I don't think this VOIP stuff is as amazing or disruptive as we'd like it to be :P | 20:34 |
| desertc | Why? | 20:35 |
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| Robot101 | wi-fi hotspots are basically useless to me, they have too many wide/varied providers and logons, and too high prices, for me to bother being a member of (m)any of them | 20:35 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | yea but wi-max is getting close | 20:35 |
| magicrobotmonkey | and n also helps | 20:36 |
| Robot101 | yes, so who provides wi-max? | 20:36 |
| desertc | People spend 90% of their time between home and work where they have free wifi | 20:36 |
| Robot101 | your friendly cell operator | 20:36 |
| desertc | It's just a matter of figuring out the last 10% | 20:36 |
| Robot101 | who, oh, still charge you for your usage. its not like it becomes free suddenly just because its data and not a call. | 20:36 |
| magicrobotmonkey | think sprint'll make you get voice to get data? | 20:36 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | didn't say anything about free | 20:37 |
| Robot101 | no, they'll charge you for the data, and the more people use data and the less they use voice... they're not just going to lower their profits because they feel like it. | 20:37 |
| desertc | Robot101: I can make VoIP calls over my cellphone data plan which costs $20 a month | 20:37 |
| magicrobotmonkey | but it would be nice to get it down to one pipe | 20:37 |
| magicrobotmonkey | desertc: who's that with? | 20:37 |
| desertc | t-mobile | 20:37 |
| magicrobotmonkey | mm thats unlimited data? and bt tethering? | 20:37 |
| Robot101 | how it gets to me is of little concern. it probably makes it easier for them if their network and infrastructure can make all of the stuff go over voip, but if all the voice traffic turns into data traffic, they're still going to charge us for it, and on average, it'll end up costing us the same. | 20:38 |
| desertc | Now, I also pay $80 for a cellphone plan, but -- it's just an example | 20:38 |
| Robot101 | now it's somehow magical/mystical because voip can make things cheaper because it's not the usual way of doing it, but the gap will close, and ultimately the cards all still lie with the people who connect us to the internet. | 20:38 |
| Robot101 | not that I'm saying its pointless, there are a lot of places (international call charges, operator hand-off, etc) where voip can be (and already is) very disruptive to people's profit margins | 20:39 |
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| desertc | Robot101: As always, it's about adding competition to the mix. Right now, you have five cellphone provides. There are 1,000s of SIP providers. And you can even get vendors who will compete just for your voicemail business. | 20:39 |
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| Robot101 | but between my mobile/tablet and the rest of the world, the guy who paid to put a mast in every town will always win. | 20:39 |
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| desertc | The only thing I cannot do with SIP right now is talk in my car. Now, that's illegal in most states, but it is useful in tight pinches. Otherwise, I would scrap my cell phone. | 20:40 |
| * Mousey says: to hell with the profit margins of companies who aren't paying Mousey! | 20:40 | |
| desertc | :-D | 20:41 |
| pope523 | desertc: It's not illegal with a Bluetooth headset, is it? | 20:42 |
| desertc | no idead | 20:42 |
| desertc | -d | 20:42 |
| pope523 | Probably not | 20:42 |
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| desertc | just hypothetically, we could have wifi in every car and use the mesh networking technology ala XO laptops in cars | 20:47 |
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| desertc | that technology is already there - just the infrastructure is needed. Would be within our grasp to put a public wifi spot every 500 meters on streets | 20:48 |
| pope523 | There already is in a lot of places | 20:48 |
| pope523 | Well, public by default :) | 20:49 |
| magicrobotmonkey | a *lot* of place? | 20:49 |
| pope523 | Yeah, like anywhere there's residences | 20:49 |
| magicrobotmonkey | oh right | 20:49 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | yea in cambridge, i would pick up 4-5 unsecure and 4-5 secure hotspots from my apartment | 20:49 |
| pope523 | That sounds about right for me too | 20:50 |
| desertc | we *could* have this right now, but we choose to let corporations try and profit from passing bits around in the air | 20:50 |
| magicrobotmonkey | and even here in nh, i get 3 unsecure and 1 secure | 20:50 |
| magicrobotmonkey | not including mine | 20:50 |
| desertc | and, like any infrastructure, you get monopolies | 20:50 |
| magicrobotmonkey | well, thats what fon's trying to do | 20:50 |
| magicrobotmonkey | but the problem with their model is you still have the last mile on the other side of the router | 20:51 |
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| desertc | and, so, people would say that everyone would download huge files on public networks, and that's probably true, but you regulate infrastructure - just like roads. Imagine if no city had public roads because there might be people who *gasp* would use it for trucks. | 20:52 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | i think part of the problem is, its hard to get techincally competent people in government | 20:53 |
| magicrobotmonkey | and the other part is, its in a lot of big companies financial interest not to see this kind of stuff happen | 20:54 |
| desertc | and I think the problem is that we have monopolies on our communication methods and airwaves. | 20:54 |
| desertc | I'm all for companies being able to make money on services, but we should never have given corps ownership of our infrastructure. | 20:56 |
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| desertc | I don't know what it will take to own it again, but hopefully Google managed to buy some of that FCC spectrum and will release it for wifi, wi-max devices | 20:57 |
| desertc | Anyone use a N800 on a university campus with wifi throughout the area? I bet it works like a champ. | 20:58 |
| shackan | I did | 20:58 |
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| pope523 | desertc: I do at school. They have some stupid "CleanAgent" software that makes it a PITA to connect w/ a Windows computer, the N800 has no trouble. | 20:59 |
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| desertc | That's an example of the communication infrastructure being owned by the residence. Hopefully this model will get adopted more widely. | 20:59 |
| desertc | *residents | 20:59 |
| b1ackD3ath | hello | 21:01 |
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| desertc | http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2008/01/11/the-last-web-frontier-the-car/ | 21:02 |
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| fugitivo | hello | 21:05 |
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| fugitivo | any howto to make a deb package for chinook? Im following this (http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_simpledeb/) but when i try to install it on a real device it says the package is incomplete | 21:08 |
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| pupnik | nice howtto link fugitivo - ty | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 21:10 |
| b1ackD3ath | i <3 ettercap | 21:11 |
| pupnik | fugitivo: if you ar x your package you should have debian-binary, control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz | 21:13 |
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| fugitivo | I have | 21:15 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it says incompatible, not incomplete? | 21:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:15 |
| fugitivo | i found this | 21:16 |
| fugitivo | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html | 21:16 |
| b1ackD3ath | red pill? | 21:16 |
| fugitivo | totally diferent from the other one | 21:16 |
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| fugitivo | well it's harder to create a deb package than porting an application to maemo :) | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 21:20 |
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| HollyCHolly | Hi | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | but only first time | 21:20 |
| fugitivo | KotCzarny: is the first tutorial correct or it doesn't work for os2008? | 21:21 |
| HollyCHolly | Can you encrypt data on a nokia N series tablet? | 21:21 |
| fugitivo | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_simpledeb/ <- this one | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know | 21:21 |
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| KotCzarny | i too have to learn how to createe =debs | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | in slackware it's easier ;) | 21:21 |
| HollyCHolly | I'm looking to get one for work, but am afraid of losing it and people getting what's on it | 21:21 |
| desertc | Just got another call on my Gizmo Line-In . Gosh, I love my N800 | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | HollyCHolly: i believe there was truecrypt ported | 21:22 |
| HollyCHolly | So if there's encryption then i'll get an N series table | 21:22 |
| fysa | If you really know what you are doing, I don't see why you couldn't get EncFS or Loop-AES working. | 21:22 |
| HollyCHolly | *tablet | 21:22 |
| desertc | Anyone else see the SIP calls where the incoming sound does not work for 10 seconds or so? | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | truecrypt is easier | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | and has a gui | 21:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:22 |
| HollyCHolly | Where do I find out if this truecrypt was ported? | 21:22 |
| fysa | there you go. | 21:23 |
| fysa | google. :) | 21:23 |
| fysa | "truecrypt maemo" | 21:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:23 |
| HollyCHolly | OK | 21:23 |
| fysa | http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/truecryptforn800 | 21:23 |
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| fugitivo | KotCzarny: you are right, it says "incompatible application package" :) | 21:24 |
| fugitivo | desertc: me | 21:24 |
| fugitivo | desertc: with outgoing calls too | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | fugitivo: hah, i'm right again :> | 21:24 |
| fugitivo | then i'll try to follow the second howto | 21:25 |
| fugitivo | creap | 21:25 |
| fugitivo | its harder | 21:25 |
| desertc | fugitivo: I never saw that happen in OS2007. I think it is a bug. | 21:25 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you simply have to add chinook or armel tag | 21:26 |
| fugitivo | mmm | 21:27 |
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| HollyCHolly | Anyone get truecrypt working on their nokia? | 21:39 |
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| KotCzarny | <fysa> http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/truecryptforn800 | 21:40 |
| fugitivo | this is a pain in the ass | 21:41 |
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| schu | hi, anyone get booting off mmc slot working with n800 and latest os2008? | 21:43 |
| fugitivo | Package must have "Section: user/FOO" to be considered compatible | 21:44 |
| fugitivo | wtf | 21:44 |
| keesj_ | schu: yes I think so | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | fugitivo: it's because safety mode | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | if you use redpill it doesn't have to | 21:44 |
| fugitivo | i have | 21:44 |
| schu | i can't even get the initfs to decompress >.< | 21:44 |
| fugitivo | Section: unstable | 21:44 |
| fugitivo | isn't that enough? | 21:44 |
| schu | tar says not right magic or whatever | 21:44 |
| KotCzarny | schu: why are you trying to decompress initfs? | 21:45 |
| schu | cuz it comes in .tgz... | 21:45 |
| keesj_ | hmm I was talking about the rootfs on mmc not the initfs | 21:45 |
| schu | well the guide listed off maemo site uses that to move | 21:46 |
| * KotCzarny used mc | 21:46 | |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:46 |
| schu | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ is what i was looking off of | 21:46 |
| keesj_ | and you are trying to untar the downloaded file call ed initfs_flasher.tgz? | 21:49 |
| schu | ya | 21:49 |
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| schu | says invalid gzip magic, is file getting corrupted? | 21:50 |
| keesj_ | perhaps your webbrowser already unpacked it , try without the z | 21:51 |
| schu | inval tar magic XD | 21:52 |
| keesj_ | so tar xvf initfs_flasher.tgz | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | schu: do: file initfs_flasher.tgz | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | that should tell you what it is | 21:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:52 |
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| schu | no file cmd | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | schu: do you have pc handy? | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:53 |
| schu | btw, tar xvzf works on my linux box | 21:53 |
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| schu | for decompressing that file | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | on nokia there's a substitute for tar and gzip | 21:53 |
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| wom- | hi | 21:53 |
| KotCzarny | could be incompatible | 21:53 |
| wom- | just quick question.. has anyone tried that vmware image made by indt. guite nice :) | 21:54 |
| keesj_ | wom-: yes, it is nice indeed | 21:54 |
| schu | hum, i guess i flash down to one of the listed firmwares and see if it works | 21:55 |
| etrunko | wom-: setanta is the guy who did it | 21:55 |
| wom- | one problem though, network doesn't work from scratchbox for me. tried all nssswitch stuff and that but no success :/ | 21:55 |
| keesj_ | just repackage it and try | 21:55 |
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| wom- | nice work from setanta. very light weight | 21:55 |
| keesj_ | how do you tranfer the files over? | 21:55 |
| etrunko | wom-: is it just sbox or the whole vm? | 21:55 |
| setanta | wom-, thanks | 21:55 |
| wom- | etrunko: network works from vm | 21:55 |
| wom- | i just wanted to update python to 2.5 but repository can't be resolved. then i realized that host resolving doesn't work | 21:56 |
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| fugitivo | cat /etc/resolv.conf | 21:57 |
| wom- | its same as in vm | 21:57 |
| fugitivo | can you ping the dns servers? | 21:58 |
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| wom- | they work from vm. no ping in scratchbox at the moment :) | 21:58 |
| setanta | yes, try wget | 21:59 |
| setanta | wget www.google.com | 21:59 |
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| fugitivo | why my n810 wifi connection sucks? | 21:59 |
| setanta | it should download the index.html | 21:59 |
| wom- | doesnt work. tried it already :) | 21:59 |
| setanta | ouch | 21:59 |
| wom- | so its generic name resolving problem | 21:59 |
| fugitivo | is that power saving that sucks? | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 21:59 |
| KotCzarny | but it works in the same matter on laptops too | 22:00 |
| fugitivo | ssh to my n810 is a pain in the ass | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | do you have to choose, latency or battery power | 22:00 |
| fugitivo | my Eee works great with wifi | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | fugitivo: change power saving from max to moderate | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | that will do the trick | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | fugitivo: then you eee doesn't use extreme powersaving for wifi | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:01 |
| fugitivo | ill turn it off | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | no | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | just lower | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | believe me | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:01 |
| wom- | setanta: any pointers where to look next. checked host: files dns in nsswitch. resolv.conf is same as in vm | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | qwerty12: what does 'cp' mean? | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:01 |
| fugitivo | oh thats much better | 22:02 |
| setanta | wom-, just a question: the networking inside sbox stopped working, or never worked at all? | 22:02 |
| wom- | setanta: never worked | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 22:02 |
| fugitivo | yes! my deb packaged installed succesfully | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | i can use wget from sbox | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:02 |
| fugitivo | Navit for the people | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I mean the help you gave me on copy cmd :) @Kot | 22:03 |
| wom- | i had to fix mac address in vm to get network working in vm.. so hmm. maybe i should fix it somehow in scratchbox | 22:03 |
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| KotCzarny | qwerty12: ah, ok, my dirty mind knows other meaning of 'cp' | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:03 |
| glass | haha | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Lol, i'm extremely dirty but cp iz a new one :p :D | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | yeah.. internet is full of suprises.. | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | surprises | 22:04 |
| setanta | wom-, i will start up a vm and check it out | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | OMG | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N800 | CP (CANADIAN PAC RAILWAY) :p | 22:05 |
| KotCzarny | ;))) | 22:05 |
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| wom- | setanta: oh thanks for help :) | 22:06 |
| wom- | setanta: i can see eth0 in scratchbox so its not mac address.. or most likely it is not that | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cp | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:07 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | Oh **** lol, i better edit my post... | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | what has been seen, cannot be unseen | 22:09 |
| KotCzarny | (; | 22:09 |
| setanta | wom-, are you starting sbox with the icon in the vm's desktop, or from the command line? | 22:10 |
| wom- | icon | 22:10 |
| setanta | hmm | 22:10 |
| setanta | the icon calls a script that always copies the vm's resolv.conf to all the targets | 22:11 |
| setanta | before start sbox and Xephyr | 22:11 |
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| wom- | ah, ok thats why my changes to resolv.conf got erased when i tried changing :) | 22:12 |
| setanta | :) | 22:12 |
| setanta | i put that just to make sure | 22:12 |
| setanta | you said before that you changed something in the vm in respect to the mac address or something like it | 22:13 |
| setanta | what was that exactly? | 22:13 |
| wom- | it had put my network card mac to eth1 | 22:13 |
| wom- | and i couldn't see any cards | 22:13 |
| wom- | i erased line with eth0 and changed eth1 to eth0.. this was in ... file that i cant remember | 22:14 |
| wom- | checked the mac from vm's vmx config file | 22:14 |
| wom- | after that i got eth0 to vm and network in it started to work | 22:14 |
| setanta | wom-, /etc/network/interfaces | 22:15 |
| wom- | nope.. wait i'll try to remember and check google | 22:16 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | setanta: is there anyway to transfer your scratchbox install to my real linux install? I cannot do much now as i am away from computer. I don't really like | 22:17 |
| qwerty12_N800 | vmware | 22:17 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | I hate hildon kbd :(. I planned to finish off that sentence :( | 22:18 |
| Navi | :P | 22:18 |
| setanta | qwerty12_N800, i think copying the /scratchbox directory from vm to host should work | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ok, thanks :) | 22:18 |
| setanta | maybe some small problems | 22:19 |
| setanta | for scratchbox expects your username in it to be the same outside | 22:19 |
| setanta | in other words, the vm's scratchbox expects you to be "maemo" | 22:20 |
| wom- | setanta: it was this /etc/udev//rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules | 22:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | I may make a new account then because I really like the image but not vmware and i dont really want to emulate linux on linux. Anyway , thank you again. | 22:20 |
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| wom- | setanta: in scratchbox and in vm i have eth0 looking similar when chekcing with ifconfig | 22:22 |
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| setanta | qwerty12_N800, till now the vm is produced "manually", but i'm working on some scripts to install everything | 22:25 |
| setanta | they could be useful in your case | 22:25 |
| setanta | wom-, strange... for me at least :) | 22:25 |
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| wom- | for me too.. i will see if i can resolve this. i will let you know then :) | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Ahh, ok. I think it may be worth waiting then (i'm not holding you to anything :)). Thanks and i have my question answered so i will step back | 22:26 |
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| wom- | setanta: network works when using just ip.. | 22:29 |
| wom- | very strange | 22:29 |
| wom- | :) | 22:29 |
| setanta | wom-, yes, tell me, i want to know that :) | 22:29 |
| setanta | i mean, about you other sentence | 22:30 |
| setanta | :) | 22:30 |
| setanta | yes, everything should be zeroconf like | 22:30 |
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| BabelO | hi | 22:41 |
| etrunko | ok | 22:42 |
| etrunko | canola2-beta6 packages available | 22:42 |
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| k-s | \o/ | 22:45 |
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| schu | bleh, dumb ver diff between os2008 v1 and v2 for tar >.< | 22:46 |
| schu | is there simple way to upgrade packages to v2 with apt from os2008 v1? | 22:47 |
| BabelO | hi,quick and stupid question, i just made a usb connector for host mode and i get this when i plug an other device ( the other device is self powered and is seen as an usb mass storage ) http://pastebin.ca/941623 | 22:50 |
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| pupnik | wait vfall may be related to usb power | 22:52 |
| solmumaha | i think i got that exact message when my usb stick wasn't properly attached | 22:54 |
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| BabelO | hmm, the other message is this, depend of the mass storage attached "tusb_otg_ints 833: vbus too slow, devctl 11" | 22:55 |
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| solmumaha | you sure the cable works? :) | 22:57 |
| solmumaha | did you try keyboard for example? | 22:58 |
| BabelO | yes, ok i ve to try again, i ve found my tester, i try the cable | 22:59 |
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| schu | any of you put omniorb on an n800? | 23:05 |
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| konttori | Has everyone already tested the rotation support? | 23:10 |
| konttori | http://behindmaemolines.blogspot.com/2008/03/screen-rotation-support-on-os2008-n8x0.html | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | i will | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | some day | 23:10 |
| konttori | I just tested. takes 5 mins. | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | i have already patched kernel and compiled xomap | 23:10 |
| konttori | rocks ... totally rocks! | 23:10 |
| konttori | All you then need is this: http://sse2.net/rotate/rotate.install | 23:11 |
| konttori | Install that and you are done | 23:11 |
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| konttori | well.. install the xomap of course as well | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 23:11 |
| konttori | browser is truly great with it | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | and how's the matchbox doing with it? | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | post some screenshots | 23:14 |
| KotCzarny | menus, apps, etc | 23:15 |
| konttori | Check the video on : http://behindmaemolines.blogspot.com/2008/03/screen-rotation-support-on-os2008-n8x0.html | 23:15 |
| BabelO | lol, my fault it works now, i redo the connector | 23:15 |
| konttori | That shows it much better | 23:15 |
| konttori | The only problem really is the app launcher menu. | 23:15 |
| konttori | And some apps support the portrait better than others | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | having pictures could be more usefull | 23:16 |
| konttori | I'm just about to go to bed, so no screenshots from me. | 23:16 |
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| KotCzarny | hiding left bar could be great | 23:16 |
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| konttori | true! | 23:17 |
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| spirytusick | helou | 23:33 |
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| KotCzarny | spirytusik: nie jestem zarejestrowany na freenode, jak cos to #kotc | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:33 |
| spirytusick | bosz :) | 23:34 |
| spirytusick | sorki | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:34 |
| spirytusick | jest #kotc | 23:34 |
| kenne | jestem kenne z danii, but i do not speak polish :P | 23:35 |
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| KotCzarny | kenne, :) | 23:37 |
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| smackpotato | what is the usb connector,mini,micro,dwaf | 23:48 |
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| KotCzarny | mini on n800, micro on n810 ? | 23:49 |
| smackpotato | tx | 23:49 |
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| KotCzarny | i'm not sure about n810 | 23:49 |
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| lopz | hi | 23:50 |
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| BabelO | someone know why this warning ? cx3110x: WARNING prism_softmac_frame_tx_done() returned an empty frame. | 23:51 |
| spirytusick | guys, take care, morpheus calling... | 23:51 |
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| KotCzarny | babelo: because of power savings? | 23:51 |
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| KotCzarny | and closed driverness | 23:51 |
| * lcuk has finally made 800*480 xv mode flicker.. | 23:52 | |
| pygi | hey folks | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: try xrandr patch | 23:52 |
| BabelO | KotCzarny: ok, just curious about all thismessage ;) | 23:52 |
| pygi | does anyone knows anything about how to make austrian web shop code work with german one?:) | 23:52 |
| KotCzarny | 480x800 reader will be interesting | 23:52 |
| lcuk | no its not rotation or scaling - i think i just made the cpu overwork itself. | 23:53 |
| lcuk | reading is rock solid 800*480 | 23:53 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: but will your code work on rotated screen ? | 23:53 |
| lcuk | i was blitting >1000 x,y locations onto random positions and made it flicker | 23:53 |
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| lcuk | it should do once i finish putting in the ttf font code - its still based around fixed aspect sdl_ttf at the mo and scaling looks crap | 23:54 |
| lcuk | i dont need r&r if i am just blitting rectangles - i just initialise the font sideways if required | 23:54 |
| KotCzarny | don't scale then, just change font? | 23:54 |
| lcuk | its no extra work | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | sdl_ttf is fixed at 72 dpi square - if i ask it to make me a bitmap of a 20 point font then rotate it sideways it looks awful | 23:55 |
| lcuk | its a similar problem to when i am using a lower res screen - a 20 point font on a 400*480 or 800*240 screen looks fat or tall | 23:56 |
| lcuk | i need the proper ttf code putting in so i can request a specific dpi - i however got sidetracked | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | you will end up hacking it anyway | 23:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:56 |
| pygi | anyone?^_^ | 23:56 |
| * lcuk damns the conversation about the camera the other night | 23:57 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:57 |
| lcuk | i wont hack it - i will just ask for a specific correct dpi and using that | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:57 |
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| lcuk | although - i might not end up using fonts at all - i put in pressure support to the mouse and have been considering reading the book in my own handwriting | 23:58 |
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| KotCzarny | i would hate that | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | my handwriting is illegible | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:59 |
| lcuk | KotCzarny, regarding r&r support, i cant expect that to be usable for the end user because they would need a kernel mod installing and i cant feasibly thrust that on folks - i may just end up ioctl'ing and getting my current screen rotated | 23:59 |
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