IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-03-12

cyberholicshackan: what is a real calendar? ...... ;)00:01
jottcyberholic: when i "browse mojos" only half of the big preview on the right is visible00:01
shackanlooks like someone has been staring at screens for too long00:01
cyberholicjott: what screen resolution do you have?00:02
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jotta real calender is something anachronistic from the last millenium :)00:02
cyberholicjott: smiiiiiiiiiiiiiiile .00:02
jottcyberholic: 800x480 (fullscreen microb without urlbar etc on n810)00:03
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cyberholicjott: are you surfing the site with your device? In fact you visit with an usual pc. There you set up the 4 widgets aka Mojos you would like to have and then you surf to with your Device and start the software.00:03
cLini wish the escape button doubled as a reload button in microb00:04
shackancyberholic: what software?00:04
jotti have disabled flash on all my desktop browsers :)00:04
cyberholicshackan: sorry... no software, the website.... my fault. you do not need to install anything. jott: oh.. ok :)00:04
jotti guess the selection site could also be used on the device itself00:05
jottno need to use a desktop00:05
cyberholicjott: i tried that before, but my fat fingers where too fat for the amount of tiny buttons :)00:05
jottincrease the size of the checkboxes etc ;)00:06
shackanno need to use a site at all, the worldclock is nice and works without a connection :D00:06
jottshackan: well it's nice to have a choice .. :)00:06
cyberholicshackan: what do you mean?00:06
cyberholicshackan: oh, you mean the clock that comes with the OS?00:07
pupnikjott: i can't get dosbox to create .gcda files on device.  if you're ever interested in trying it, let me know00:07
shackancyberholic: no, I mean the full screen clock+calendar overlaid with the worldmap which I installed last week00:07
cyberholicany screenshot?00:08
jottpupnik: do other apps (simple test cases) generate the data?00:08
shackanI'd say it looks nice00:08
pupnikyes uae4all did it fine00:08
shackanand dosn't need a connection :D00:08
pupnikbut i am not getting a .gcno for dosbox.o on generate state00:08
pupnikstage... so perhaps that's the problem00:08
pupniki'll keep trying stuff00:09
cyberholicah, what i said...  :)00:09
shackanwhat did you say?00:09
ynezzcyberholic: strip poker would be more popular :)00:09
cyberholicshackan: does it show the actual weather condition? does it have a connection to your flickr account? Does it show you your gmail or yahoo mail account?00:09
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shackancyberholic: do I need it?00:10
shackanno :)00:10
cyberholicynezz: thanks for the tipp, will think about such a widget ;)00:10
jottweather is important.. you do not have to look out of the window to see if it rains *g*00:10
shackanjott: EXACTLY :D00:10
cLinis there anyway to use the shortcut keys in gmail on the microb browsers? seems like the only time i can bring up the keyboard is for inputting something00:11
* jott has an linux ipaq running only showing a clock and a forecast :)00:11
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cyberholicjott: thanks :)00:12
jottthats what vintage devices are for :P00:12
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jottoh it also shows how long its to next sunrise/sunset so you can prepare your sunglasses when your coding session went too long :)00:13
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lcuki dont code too long - the sun is just ahead of schedule00:15
jottlcuk: either way.. it's good to have an up-to-date schedule :)00:15
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lcukdeadlines scare me00:16
lcuki do less knowing that i am running out of time00:16
jotthehe deadline increase productivity :)00:16
lcuki am actually quite efficient tho - when scheduling for things i can generally hit the nail on the head00:17
KotCzarnywithout deadlines projects tend to take forever00:17
KotCzarnyalso priorities are usefull ;)00:18
lcukmy todo/scheduling is a piece of paper with stars and numbers and ticks00:18
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KotCzarnywhat's that00:18
lcuki havent found a piece of software yet which wastes less of my time and gives me the right amount of information00:19
lcuki keep electronic logs of past work, but on a day to week basis i have a sheet which i get through00:19
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lcukand this is from the guy that has written multiple schedulers and timesheet and task apps ;)00:20
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jotthehe so none of the apps you wrote was really good?! :p00:21
lcukthey werent written for me :)00:21
lcukmy tasks app is used daily by all in the offices and currently contains around 200k tasks00:21
lcuki was shocked actually because i was asked to make a change and realised i started working on it 7 years ago00:22
lcukand yes, if i had a schedule it would have been finished in 3 months ;)00:22
jotteheh yeah just rewrite it :)00:22
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lcukno need - it suits its purpose amazingly well and has scaled as required00:23
lcukand the bosses can get the information they require out of it00:23
lcukback later00:25
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cyberholicok... back again... just in case someone is still interested about seeing it in action, visit with your device (!)00:56
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pupnikflash based?00:57
pupnikurl not found cyberholic00:58
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pupnikredirects to mymojo.html00:58
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cyberholicpupnik: sorry.... it should work now.00:59
spirytusickelou :)01:01
jottcyberholic: redirects here too and wants a nlogin :/01:02
jottspirytusick: hello :)01:02
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cyberholicjott: yeah, because you must register first at the "big site" with your pc :)01:04
spirytusickjott: :) hey :)01:04
spirytusickhey pupnik:)01:04
spirytusickKotCzarny: lo krajanie :)01:04
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KotCzarnyspirytusik: ja spie01:04
KotCzarnyEd.note: I can confirm Firefox 3 beta 4 is much faster than IE7. FINALLY!01:04
spirytusickKotCzarny: not bad for a sleepwalker :)01:04
spirytusickKotCzarny: they will fix it to be as slow as usual in the final release :)01:05
jottcyberholic: i dont want to register :/... you should make a guest account01:05
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cyberholicjott: ok.... just a second.01:06
spirytusickKotCzarny: seriously, I cant wait as firefox under linux is very slow (compared to win ver anyway)01:06
KotCzarnyjott: who was the guy that told me to register on
spirytusickKotCzarny: I can make a cup of coffe during startup, and drink it before the window opens up in full :)01:06
cyberholickot: loooool01:06
smackpotatowhy dont i have gdkwindows.h01:07
KotCzarnyspirytusick: mine firefox works fine :)01:07
cyberholicjott: tell me a password as private mssge plllliiise and i add you manualy to the DB.01:07
jottKotCzarny: you can browse bugs.m.o without registration ;)01:08
spirytusickKotCzarny: Mine works fine, but slow :)01:08
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KotCzarnyjott: but not post ;)01:08
cyberholicKot: you wanna try out my new site?01:08
KotCzarnycyberholic: noe01:08
KotCzarnyi think i'll go to bed01:08
cyberholic:( ... okay01:08
cyberholicyou could have one of the nice clocks right next to your bed ;)01:09
spirytusickKotCzarny: good night Kot. C U 2morrow01:09
KotCzarnynight night01:09
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* spirytusick is leaving too, see you tommorrow guys01:10
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cyberholicjott: still there?01:21
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cyberholicOk, due to the good idea of Jott, i have added a "Demo" Mode of my new n800 "service". You can visit with your device and at the bottom left there is a DEMO Mode button.01:23
pupnikwill do :)01:25
cyberholicpupnik: what do you mean? sorry ma english ain`t the best :(01:25
pupnikwerde es probieren01:26
cyberholic:) ... habe verstanden01:26
cyberholicthanks a lot :)01:26
pupniknice design cyberholic01:27
Cptnodegardgod i hate flash01:27
cyberholicDoes anyone know how i can tell the mbrowser to go Fullscreen by html?01:27
cyberholicpupnik: thanks a lot01:27
Cptnodegardsomewhere along the way people tripped, lost html and decided to crap all over common sense. they named the projevt flash01:27
cyberholiccptnodegard: i had to realize that a lot of people do but unfortunately it`s an easy and nice way to make some beauty interactivity.01:27
Cptnodegardflashblock ftw :d01:28
cyberholicwell, not if you want to be entertained, i think :)01:29
cyberholicWho wants me to make a Flash Clock for him? Pupnik: you want your own Flash Clock? I can add it to the MOJO archive01:30
pupnikhehe @ tissot urh01:30
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cyberholicpupnik: what is tissot?01:31
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pupnikfamous old scheizer uhr01:31
cyberholicoh, well... i think i better dont do that or their lawyers will get in contact with me :)01:32
pupniki don't think they can trademark a swiss flag icon, can they?01:33
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pupnikbtw jott - speed not noticeably improved for dosbox from gcc 3.4 to 4.2 (no profile-generate data used).  too many errors in 4.2 to run benchmarks01:35
f_mohrwatch reminds me .. is there a way to change the clock display  to 24hrs instead of am/pm?01:35
cyberholicno, but their name :) i just finished the clock and will put it online now.... gimme a second01:35
cyberholicf_mohr: are you talking about one of the Mojocafe clocks?01:37
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f_mohrclock applet and the world clock that come with the device01:38
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cyberholicf_mohr: oh... you should ask Kot about that, he is more into that tool instead of the ones.01:38
cyberholicpupnik: check the mojocafe site with your desktop pc... your clock is online ;)01:39
cyberholicHope you like it ;)01:39
pupnikdo you do professional flash work cyberholic ?01:39
pupnikdid you work for INM frankfurt?01:40
cyberholicnope :)01:40
pupnikok, just a guess01:40
cyberholicSince i typed the word PRINT for the first time on my Commodore 116, i never had a fulltime job for anyone :)01:40
cyberholici am a freelancer01:41
pupnikhehe @ pupnik mojo01:41
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pupnikdo you have a network of clients or get most work from online jobboerse?01:42
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cyberholicnetwork of clients. 2006 i did the website by myself and this year there is another big event that i was asked to develop the onlinesite for. I do these kind of thinks (like and now just within my sparetime....01:44
pupnikcyberholic - in confirmation email, s/weren't/was not/01:46
cyberholicpupnik: what do you mean? sorry for my bad english.01:47
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pupniknow i can brag to my friends that i have a 450 euro watch :)01:58
pupnikthanks cyberholic01:59
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pupnikbtw cyberholic did you own a commodore amiga?02:00
cyberholicnope, i had the one before the commodore6402:01
pupnikwe should have a nice emulator, 'soon'02:01
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pupnikwow i forgot about that machine02:02
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cyberholicI even had the datasette and my first game on it was Green Beret. It took about 20 Minutes to load :)02:03
jottreminds me that i wanted to port a cpc emulator for the ITs :)02:04
pupnikwhen i translated my resume to german, 'commodore pet' turned into 'flottenadmiral streicher'02:05
pupnik(no kidding)02:05
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jottpupnik: hehe :)02:07
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pupnik  there's one for sale in Koeln02:11
pupnikman, i'd love to get his Apple ][02:13
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jottwoe already at 158 euro.. quite alot ;)02:17
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pupnikthat's ok, i'll have the emulator sound fixed soon, i hope02:18
pupniki really must learn how to wait for vsync02:18
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pupnik  Cat playing with N810 :)02:22
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jottpupnik: spaceball.gif is just a placeholder to prevent image theft :)02:27
pupnikoh sorry02:27
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pupnik  Konttori made a usb host mode control application -- nice02:29
jottpupnik: hmm :)02:29
pupniki lost the link - it was thoughtfix's cat staring intently at a n810 lying on the floor02:30
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johnxpupnik, it's up on if you're still looking for it...02:51
pupnikjust ran through that blog.  found it amusing how the universality of the tablet devices means i'm completely uninterested in what they're doing (and probably vice-versa)02:52
pupnik  btw jott some more low level stuff in case you didn't see it02:53
pupnik(old stuff)02:54
cyberholicpupnik..... i made two new clocks :)02:59
shackanpupnik: are there any playable 3d games for the tablets? (no, q2 doesn't count as playable on an n800 :( )02:59
cyberholicjesus..... i am up since 8:30 yesterday and now it is 2 AM aaaaaand... the birds are singing...that birdy must be drunken!02:59
cyberholicshackan: wasnt there doom?03:00
shackansame as q203:00
cyberholicGiana Siters 3D !?03:00
cyberholicjust kidding03:00
cyberholicGiana Sisters were the lesbian friends of the gay Mario Bros.03:01
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pupnikyes 3d: duke nukem, shadow warrior, warzone210003:02
cyberholicWatchawaiddin for?03:02
shackanshadow what?03:02
pupniki'm trying to get an optimized build of NoGravity for N8x0 finished here03:03
pupnikin case anybody wants to help03:03
pupnik3d space combat (wing commander-like)03:03
shackanYES YES YES !03:04
shackanthat's what I'm looking for03:04
shackanno first person shooters :P03:04
cyberholichey pupnik: i will a lot of work within the next weeks, but if you want me to do any kind of logos or pre-designs just get in contact with me at endorphinum@googlemail.com03:05
pupnikit's very fast for most levels.  but the space stations draw far too slow03:05
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pupnikok - good luck with your project cyberholic03:05
cyberholicthnx... c ya.... ill write a mail to the maemo users-list and then go to bed....03:06
shackanpupnik: ooh, the screenshots look good03:06
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shackanpupnik: is there anything like wipeout out there in the open world ?03:06
shackanI never found anything good03:06
pupnik  if you want to try the first build by Sergio feel free03:07
shackanI surely will!03:07
shackanas soon as I go to bed and grab the n800 :D03:07
pupnikon what system did you play wipeout?03:07
shackanactually, I never played wipeout, never had it and never played much games in general03:08
shackanbut, I saw it on tv and it looked like great fun03:09
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jotti played wipeout on ps1.. :)03:09
shackanyeah it's very old (the first one at least)03:09
jott now we just need 3d drivers ;)03:10
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shackanjott: I tried ecks03:11
shackanit's a monster03:11
shackanit's written using the python bindings to crystalspace03:11
jottyieks :O03:12
shackanawful and painfully slow03:12
shackandoesn't even run on my not-so-shiny laptop03:12
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pupnik/usr/lib/libpthread.a: could not read symbols: Bad value03:32
pupnikhow did i broke this?03:32
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pupnik/usr/lib/libpthread.a(unwind.o): In function `unwind_stop': undefined reference to `_Unwind_GetCFA'03:42
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unique311pupnik How are you going about placing oncreen buttons for that port?03:47
pupnikthey're placed, not active though03:47
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unique311where is the documentation on how to do this?03:53
unique311if there's any03:53
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pupnikon how to add onscreen buttons to an sdl app?03:58
disqgot my n810 few days ago (finally) and started working on keyboard support in kagu03:59
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pupnikdisq: is kagu sdl?04:00
disqyeah but pygame04:00
unique311pupnik, yes04:00
unique311to buttons to an sdl app04:00
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pupnik is probably the simplest app you'll find with onscreen buttons (source)04:01
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cheesebobIs iwconfig available for OS2008?04:43
texelYes. Look for wireless-tools.04:43
pupniklol "rails -> ."04:48
texelWell. That sucked. Guess I have to reinstall Debian because it stuck me on the amd64 track and I can't use scratchbox with that, apparently. O.o04:48
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pupniknever saw someone symlink like that before04:49
texelThank Rails' broken concept of demand/cache-loading of classes for that one. =o(04:49
* texel has to fight with rails at work almost daily04:50
texel...and I've chased that particular weirdness down many, many times before.04:51
Tama^2never an ORM was so overrated xD04:51
texelToo much magic there.04:52
BrainsDid somebody just say that scratchbox was a no-go on amd64?04:56
texelI did.04:57
texelJust tried it.04:57
texelThe only binaries they provide in the apt repo are i386.04:57
texelapt-get on amd64 debian only fetches i386.04:57
texelerr... s/i386/amd64/04:57
* Brains wonders what the ebuild situation is like.04:58
* texel shrugs04:58
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texelNice nick, btw. =o)04:58
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* Brains takes a bow... "Been using it for close to twenty years now.. Backhanded compliment from my little brother. *chuckle*"05:00
texelThat's pretty cool. =o)05:01
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pupnikwish our busybox had a real history05:14
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pupnikNew emu 'port':  Stella atari 2600 emulator.  (compiled only for N8x0)05:17
Navinow I can play pitfall nonstop05:18
pupnikit's kind of wack05:18
pupniki mean... seeing those things again05:18
pupnikyou might want to map controls (optins: input)05:18
pupniki have fullscreen-> firebutton 1, menu -> firebutton2, (-) select difficulty, (+) start, (esc) abort05:19
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NaviCan you set it to keyboard crap?05:20
pupnikyou can have multiple bindings defined if you have n810 or bt keyboard05:20
NaviI was just planning on pairing up my wiimote, as I carry that around a lot05:21
pupnikthat would be fun to get working with emus/games05:21
NaviI don't care that it has motion sensing crap when playing emus, just that it's the smallest wireless joypad available to me05:22
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pupnikso the driver for it will make it emulate a keyboard?05:23
pupnikthat way you could use it without patching any games/emus05:23
Navinot really a driver, cwiid just interprets data sent from the wiimote over bluetooth and you can output it any way you want it through using plugins05:24
Navijoypad, keyboard, mouse, etc05:24
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pupnikyou've tried it?05:25
Navionly on the PC05:25
Navihaven't had the motivation to do so on the tablets05:26
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proctodragorn: are there any beta packages of kismet for os2008 out there?05:47
shackanpupnik: nogravity doesn't even start05:47
shackan(and the deb is from 2006, so it was expected)05:47
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cheesebobis there any chance that an injection capable driver will become available for the wifi chipset?05:50
pupnikshackan: really?  what tablet do you have?05:50
pupnikdid you install the game data?05:51
shackanmm, just the deb05:51
proctocheesebob: just about nill05:52
pupnikah it needs the game data from the nogravity homepage05:52
shackandamn I just turned it off :\05:52
proctocheesebob: i've looked into it, asked the maintainer, and asked what dragorn thinks about it05:52
cheesebobprocto, what if someone was to ninja the abstraction layer specifications05:52
pupnik  Nogravity data is also available from the sourceforge site05:53
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shackanpupnik: ugh, 33Mb :\05:54
proctocheesebob: if that was the case, and someone matched my regular job's salary for 2 weeks over the summer05:54
pupnikit goes onto mmc05:54
shackanwhich one^05:54
proctocheesebob: we could have one then05:54
pupnik/media/mmc1/nogravity afaik05:55
shackanthat's the external one, right?05:55
cheesebobprocto, what's your regular salaray for two weeks, roughly05:55
proctoaround 4k USD05:56
proctobefore tax :>05:56
proctobut as a student i only work full time oven the summer05:56
proctoover the summer05:57
proctoso don't bother multiplying that by 25 :>05:57
shackanstill, that's freaking good money for a student05:57
proctoI like to think I'm worth it05:57
shackanI won't make anything near that even after I graduate05:57
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cheesebob8 grand a month is fairly good05:58
cheesebobshackan, major?05:59
shackancomputer engineering05:59
cheesebobprocto, what do you specialize in05:59
cheesebobnow im just ineterested05:59
pupnikIf you're in the USA and not increasing salary by 12% P.A. in 2007/2008, you're losing real wages06:00
cheeseboboh question is there a replacement for the default map software that is better and free?06:00
shackanI'm not in usa06:00
shackanand engineers here make less than $1500/mo06:00
cheesebobpupnik, 12% will be chump change for the next few years06:00
cheesebobwait 4 months and buy property06:00
cheesebobit'll be at a decade low06:00
cheesebobshackan, most engineers here make that too06:01
cheesebobjust the smart ones that done06:01
pupnikeither that or dry goods, water, fuel and ammo :)06:01
shackancheesebob: well, I know people with masters and hons., and don't make more than that06:01
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shackan(of course that isn't a measure of 'smart' in any way)06:02
cheesebobthere are relatively few trully skilled engineers in the united states06:02
cheesebobthe vast majority are capable06:02
cheesebobbut do not deserve the amount they demand06:02
cheesebobso they get less :P06:02
cheesebob<3 capitalism06:02
shackanfair enough06:03
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cheesebobwait so is there a replacement for the map software for the n810 that is either better and/or free06:03
KotCzarnythe one and only you will need06:04
cheesebobepic win :D06:04
shackanKotCzarny: heh, but it only works with an internet connection06:05
KotCzarnyyou can 'preload' maps06:05
shackanfrom google?06:05
KotCzarnythere's an option for that06:05
KotCzarnyfrom google or other sources06:05
cheesebobmuch better ue of the screen realestate06:05
shackanwow, epic win then06:05
KotCzarnythough google satellite barfs sometimes06:06
KotCzarnyprobably anti-leech scripts06:06
KotCzarnybut ve satellite works nicely06:06
pupnikdoes maemo-mapper data take up much more space than wayfinder06:06
KotCzarny701.1M  Maps06:06
cheesebobyeha i notice that gets slower the more you use it, even if you reload the page or restart the browser06:06
KotCzarnyand it's only poland and nyc06:06
cheesebobthat's a good chunk of space there06:07
KotCzarnywell, and world at zooms 16-2006:07
* KotCzarny compiled xmms06:08
KotCzarny2mb when gtk1 libs compiled statically in ;)06:08
cheesebobso lets see here the hardware abstraction layers specification is probably in the hands of stmicroelectronics06:09
pupnikbtw KotCzarny if you want to try an alternative to OSS for uae..  here's a brief explanation + examples of sdl_mixer06:09
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KotCzarnypupnik: thx, i'll look at it later06:10
cheeseboband since their r&d center is in california they almost definitely have stored the plans at a document storage service06:10
pupnikbleh i was useless today06:11
cheesebobthere isn't enough room in any california office building to keep them06:11
cheesebobwhich probably means Iron Mountain document retention services06:11
cheesebobwhich is actualyl totally ninja able06:11
cheesebobexcept their fab plant is in texas06:13
cheeseboblawl with enough persistence i bet i could find the specifications for real06:14
cheesebobwhat's delawares state code?06:15
cheesebobi could but id get caught and butt raped06:18
cheeseboband i like mine the way it is06:18
texelcheesebob: what on earth are you talking about? O.o06:18
cheesebobtexel, shhh06:18
* texel is /sooo/ confused06:19
cheesebobyou shoul dbe06:19
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shackanst makes R&D in california ??06:20
shackanI tought it was all in france06:20
Tama^2stm had r&d all over the place06:20
cheeseboball over the world06:20
Tama^2I worked for them in Milan06:21
shackanI might intern at st in may06:21
shackan(unpaid, of course :( )06:21
cheesebobsteal the specs :D06:21
Tama^2shackan: where, in france?06:21
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cheesebobthere headquarters in in switzerland06:22
shackanI know06:22
cheesebobvaginas are using swiss lawl to hide...06:22
cheesebobsorry shouldnt use that language06:22
shackanguess it's cheaper06:22
Tama^2shackan: unpaid?06:22
Tama^2poor italian engineer?06:22
Tama^2I understand you, I ran away from Italy ;)06:23
shackanI'm going to06:23
shackanI assume you're.. italian ?06:23
cheesebobwhat the hell06:23
cheesebobthat's awesome06:23
Tama^2err, yes. was born there06:24
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Tama^2some time ago xD06:24
Tama^2I got my second passport in the mail today, lol06:24
cheesebobshackan, remember to ask them were they keep all their secret documents :P06:24
Tama^2that building has to taken down, the view would be much better06:25
shackancheesebob: well, I'll be working for free so it's not like they can fire me or something if I ask... :D06:25
shackanTama^2: and you're in NEW ZEALAND ??06:25
shackandoing what if I may ask?06:25
cheesebobfind someone who would know who probably will tell you06:25
Tama^2living ;)06:26
shackanTama^2: heh, ok :P06:26
cheesebobfind the guy who is getting kind of old but isn't a grump and let him prove he's still cool06:26
shackancheesebob: fuck that, I want the hawt segretaries06:26
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cheesebobsecretaries dont know shit06:26
cheesebobnever do06:26
cheesebobalways think they do06:26
shackanTama^2: why did you leave?06:27
cheesebob"mr wilsons fucking the secretary!", well duh she knows that one06:27
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Tama^2came here on holiday and ended up staying for a while06:28
shackanI wish I could do that06:29
shackananyway, looks like it's 14 over there, which means almost 6am here06:34
shackangotta go06:34
Tama^2it's 17.35 here now06:35
Tama^2see ya06:35
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pupnikheh, these old atari 2600 games cost about $80 each in 2008 real dollars06:42
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KotCzarnyconsidering inflation, it's cheap06:42
pupnikno $80 is a lot for a crappy little game06:44
pupnikthey were 4096 byte games06:45
Tama^2their value is in being old and crappy little games ;)06:47
KotCzarnyanyone knows how to setup volume?06:48
KotCzarnyie. setting it from status bar applet doesn't get it to 'loud'06:49
KotCzarnyso i presume there's another know somewhere06:49
tank-manin the app that is playing sound06:49
pupniki find that internal media player is very quiet06:49
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KotCzarnyKernel flashed, reboot to make it active.06:54
KotCzarnylet's try hispeed sd mode06:54
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pupnikhow is speed with dd KotCzarny ?07:13
KotCzarnyhdparm shows 5.15mb/s07:13
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KotCzarnydd is consistent07:15
KotCzarny100mb in 20.37s07:15
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KotCzarnymaybe i should get fast card too07:17
Tama^2isn't max speed 60MB/s anyway?07:19
Tama^26 not 6007:19
KotCzarnyi believe i have seen reports of ~15mb/s07:20
Tama^2my class 6 SDHC did 6MB/s with the hi speed kernel07:20
tank-manthats class 6 sdhc, and i think thats the min rated speed07:20
Tama^2I will look up the tech info again, but AFAIK @50Mhz that is the maximum you can hope for07:21
KotCzarnyat 1bit, yes07:22
KotCzarnyat 4bit wide, x407:22
KotCzarnybut you may be right07:22
KotCzarnypity i sold off my sandisk ultra ii07:23
KotCzarnyinternal flash got faster too07:37
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JaffaMorning, all11:07
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* ccooke wonders if anyone has seen a pre-packaged bitlbee for os2008?11:24
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scriptccooke: bitlbee is a server-application ... consider it running somewhere else11:36
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ccookescript: Bitlbee is a very lightweight daemon - There are no barriers to running it directly on the tablet12:13
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ccooke(I have several places I can run bitlbee externally, yes, but I'm looking for the best way to manage a load of connections. Trying it on the device, directly, would have the least dependency on externals)12:17
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aquatixccooke: isn't one ssh connection [with -c maybe even] to an irssi connected to bitlbee not lighter on connections as having bitlbee connect to [say] four IM networks?13:39
ccookeaquatix: But it relies on the remote box being up.13:40
ccookeIt's more fragile.13:40
ccookewheras bitlbee takes up about the same memory as that ssh connection.13:41
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aquatixyeah, but more traffic over your wifi13:43
aquatixor maybe gprs13:43
aquatixand why wouldn't that remote box be up?13:43
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aquatix[depends on whether it's yours, if you leave it on and such]13:43
ccookeno more traffic than if you were using the protocols *anyway*13:44
* aquatix has a box running 24/713:44
ccookeos2008 already has IM support built-in13:44
aquatixi think that ssh [with -c even] takes less traffic than all those control packages from the IM networks13:44
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aquatixi know13:44
aquatixusing it myself13:44
aquatixupgraded it even13:44
ccookeright. So I'm saying that [bitlbee] is comparable to [os2008's IM transports]13:44
glassaquatix: irssi over ssh takes quite a bit though13:45
ccookein terms of network use.13:45
glassso many screen rewrites13:45
aquatixccooke: ah, right13:45
aquatixbut i was comparing it to irssi over ssh13:45
ccookeglass: which is why what I want is irssi, running inside a screen on the n8x0, talking to a local bitlbee.13:45
aquatixglass: myeah, that might be true indeed13:45
aquatixccooke: sounds sane at itself13:45
ccookeWith plugins for irssi that give it the same access to the LEDs and GUI as the built-in IM stuff13:46
aquatixwas just thinking along ;)13:46
aquatixccooke: hmmm :)13:46
glassaquatix: use irssi over ssh over gprs and it becomes obvious13:46
aquatixglass: i know13:46
aquatixi tried ;)13:46
aquatixbut ssh over gprs is quite bad in general13:46
aquatixccooke: you might even use an irssi on a remote box as proxy13:47
ccookeaquatix: I want to reduce the reliance on remote boxes13:47
aquatixand connect your irssi on n8x0 to that instance13:47
aquatixah yeah, sorry13:47
ccookesome networks I use are blocked13:47
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aquatixyeah, but you only have to connect to that one box then13:47
aquatixand from that one you can use whatever irc or bitlbee-supported IM network you want13:48
ccooke(as it happens, I *do* have three or four 24/7 servers I can use, two of which allow IRC/IM in their T&Cs, but I don't want to assume that a) they're up or b) the network I'm on will allow port 22)13:48
* aquatix should start using bitlbee too13:48
aquatixif that network doesn't allow port 22, why would it allow random IM ports?13:48
aquatixjust playing devil's advocate :)13:48
aquatixyou might even run sshd behind port 44313:49
johnxI run it on a random high port :)13:49
inzHrm, building bitlbee is the easy part13:49
inzBut it requires inetd...13:49
johnxwhen I used comcast cable I had continuous traffic from people trying random passwords until I switched it...13:49
ccookeaquatix: I've been in places that allowed one IM network, but nothing else but 80/443. And unfortunately, I have valid secure certs on port 443 :-)13:49
solmumahathere used to be a patch to start it without inetd13:50
ccookethere are loads of ways to start a network daemon without inetd13:51
aquatixccooke: `unfortunately' ;)13:51
ccookeaquatix: it's a fact of life. Live with it :-)13:51
* aquatix wants a valid one too, not a self-generated bunch13:52
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rwhitbythere's nothing invalid about a well-managed self-signed certification authority.  Just cause major browsers choose not to automatically trust it doesn't make it invalid.13:53
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aquatixrwhitby: indeed13:56
ccookerwhitby: yes, but if it suddenly gets replaced with an ssh daemon, I get compalined at. That *would* be highly invalid!13:56
aquatixbut it makes it a hassle if you want users to access those servers13:56
ccooke(or, when they caught me, I might be an invalid)13:56
rwhitbyccooke: agreed13:56
aquatixFx 3 doesn't even show the page when it encounters an unknown authority13:56
rwhitbyaquatix: depends whether your user base is closed or not13:56
aquatixbut some large warning page13:56
aquatixrwhitby: true13:56
aquatixbut mine are mainly open13:57
aquatixso then it's a problem ;)13:57
* rwhitby still can't believe how CAs charge so much for doing nothing other than having a monopoly over browser root cert contents ...13:58
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ynezzthere's that free openCA13:59
aquatixrwhitby: they have to certify the requesters identity!13:59
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rwhitbyaquatix: yes, and they have to charge you to make sure you haven't changed your identity each and every year ...14:00
aquatixindeed :/14:00
johnx"prove you're still the same person by giving us some money!"14:01
aquatixmaybe i should set up a CA too14:01
* rwhitby runs three closed-community CAs14:01
aquatixwas more thinking about the pay-me-money kind ;)14:07
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SpakmanI'm having a problem reading mails sent from my server/client (postfix/Mutt) in Modest. Anyone know where I can start to debug the problem?14:35
aquatixare they empty and are you using pgp/mime?14:35
aquatixi have the same issue14:35
aquatixi think there's a bug about it on the maemo bugzilla14:36
aquatixnot sure how to debug though14:36
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Spakmanaquatix: thanks a lot - turbo response to something I expected to be alone with!14:36
SpakmanI'll check the bug trakcer14:37
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infobotSpakman meant: I'll check the bug tracker14:37
* aquatix was already wondering ;)14:37
aquatixSpakman: fyi,
aquatixthat uri was longer than expected14:38
Spakmanwelcome to Bugzilla :)14:38
aquatixthat's the bug14:38
aquatixplease vote ;)14:39
buddyleespeaking of bugs, I'm running into this but on the n810.  Where can I find the source for the camera app to try to debug it myself?14:40
* aquatix guesses there isn't a public source available, but can be wrong14:40
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buddyleepookie, might be time to bust out some strace14:41
aquatixSpakman: hm, even a duplicate at
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Spakmanaquatix: voted :)14:44
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morbecHello all ! Yesterday I installed the PyMaemo on sb but I can't import abook module inside python2.5 ... what I need to do to use the python-abook?14:57
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lmouramorbec, did you install python2.5-abook? it's outside python2.5-runtime meta-package14:58
morbecE: Couldn't find package python2.5-abook15:00
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buddyleeaaah, brilliant!  my camera app won't load because of an EACCES error opening /dev/video015:02
buddyleestrace ftw15:02
morbeclmoura, E: Couldn't find package python2.5-abook15:04
lmouramorbec, I forgot to say, it's currently unavailable for chinook =\15:04
buddyleecan someone with an n810 grep out the group file for me and tell me what groups 'user' is in by default?15:04
buddyleei think my group associations are boned15:05
lmourathere were big changes in the headers during bora->chinook migration and I still have to adapt those changes into the bindings15:05
jaska_Nokia-N810-51-3:~# id user15:05
jaska_uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users)15:05
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morbeclmoura, ok ... is there a public svn ?15:05
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jaska_funny.. id doesnt show groups15:06
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X-Fadebuddylee: dialout,audio,video,users15:06
jaska_dialout, audio, video, users15:06
lmouramorbec, for python2.5-abook?15:06
buddyleeperfect, thx15:06
morbeclmoura, yes15:06
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X-Fadebuddylee: Ehm not users, I grepped for user ;)15:06
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buddyleew00t, that did it15:08
buddyleewonder how my /etc/gruop file got hosed15:08
LoCusFjaska_: id does have some options but they seem to be unknown lol15:08
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littleHelpJust wondering if anybody would be kind enough to take a couple minutes out of there time and make me a developer cert from symbian signed. the day i got my new phone is the day symbian signed changed. i didnt have enough time to make a new cert for my imei.15:19
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johnxlittleHelp, just so you know, this is primarily a channel that has to do with the Nokia Internet Tablets which use Maemo/Linux, not Symbian. no harm in asking of course. :)15:21
johnxfasonte, hello :)15:21
littleHelpoo sorry thanks15:22
johnxno problem15:22
fasontejohnx: yes, I know15:22
johnxfasonte, that wasn't directed at you...15:23
fasonteone question: I can't use my account and with telepathy15:24
fasontebut only jabber.org15:24
fasonteThere is any howto?15:25
johnxlooks like someone else might have had the same problem:
fasontejohnx: thanks15:27
johnxalso there's a bug for it on bugs.maemo.org15:27
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fasontejohnx: thanks again... so I need to wait ;-)15:29
johnxI suppose so, but I don't know much about jabber...15:29
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johnxwow! rotation in xomap is freaking awesome...15:34
johnx :D15:35
johnxI guess I should take a screenshot15:35
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* aquatix bookmarked15:36
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johnxI really doubted that the apps would actually cope with 480x800 so well15:36
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johnxheh, though the panel layout kinda sucks15:38
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* aquatix demands a screenshot15:38
SpakmanAnyone know of a nice way to let the user change the default application for a certain mime type? Without editing /usr/share/applications/defaults.list, that is.15:39
johnxhang on, finding a screenshot tool...15:39
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aquatixjohnx: the system load applet15:39
johnxSpakman, look up "dbus switchboard" on itt15:39
Spakmanjohnx: on the case, thanks :)15:40
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pupnikdark colors on the tablets (all tfts?) are far too bright vs CRTs15:50
johnxdunno, I've had some pretty craptastic CRTs...15:51
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johnxwhat other screenshots do you want to see?15:52
shackanjohnx: wow, can xrandr be downloaded anywhere?15:53
johnxscroll back in the log by about 15 minutes :)15:54
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aquatixjohnx: hah, cool15:56
aquatixnah, this is ok15:56
aquatixthings are a tad out of proportion this way ;)15:56
johnxyeah, the browser looks great full screen15:57
aquatixfull screen is nice indeed :)15:57
aquatixooh, editing text fullscreen that way15:58
aquatixhm, nah, landscape is better with that15:58
johnxthe keyboard is badly screwed up...15:58
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johnxthe "minimize keyboard button" is off the screen to the right...15:58
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johnxI don't know if it's my imagination, but scrolling definitely feels slower in microb...15:59
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johnxit really, really needs to have zoom -/+ remapped to page up/down16:00
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aquatixdoing things in rotated mode generally is slower16:01
aquatixlcd processor isn't optimised that way and such16:02
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aquatixsame with my palm pda16:02
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jaska_and subpixel rendering (if any) wont work16:03
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johnxat least it's actually *done* on the LCD controller in this case. I think it's done in software on the Cxx00 zaurus...16:05
johnxhmm...just got a random reboot on my N80016:06
hrwjohnx: cxx00 has it is software16:06
hrwjohnx: c7x0 has rotation and scaling in hardware16:06
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johnxaaah...sometimes I think I should have gone with a 760 instead of a 1000...16:06
hrw760 is best for video (from zaurus line)16:07
johnxyeah, and slimmer16:07
hrwwhere 760 means 760 and 860 (which is 760 in other color case)16:07
johnxyup. ah, now that there's a new webkit-gtk I should submit my recipe for the latest midori16:07
johnxit's actually quite nice on my akita16:08
hrw0.17 midori?16:08
hrwit is in OE already16:08
johnxI actually built svn though16:08
johnxwell, nevermind then16:09
johnxguess I missed that in the logs O_o16:09
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DaniloCesarIs Xrandr ported to maemo?16:22
johnxerrr...that depends on what you mean by that16:22
johnxyou can rotate the display, but not all apps cope well with 480x80016:23
johnxscreenshot here:
DaniloCesarjohnx, I watched a video about canolla runing with xrandr.....16:24
johnxI'll test it here if you want, but I have no reason to doubt them16:24
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johnxyeah, looks nice16:25
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johnxscrolling seems a little slower, but that could be my imagination16:25
DaniloCesarjohnx, in fullscreen apps, it seems to be very usefull... I was thinking about how to make a rotate-screen feature in my app, but now it will be easy!16:25
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johnxwell, you still need to flash a custom kernel16:26
johnxsome users might not be up to that16:26
DaniloCesarcustom kernel?! hummmm.......16:26
johnxyeah, the reason this happened so quickly is that all the hard part is done on the LCD controller16:26
DaniloCesarIt will be native some day?16:27
johnxno idea16:27
johnxNokia is pretty silent about future software releases16:27
DaniloCesarany INdT guy here?16:27
trickieask vivijim16:28
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solmumahaanyone want to test fuse on os2008? i have compiled fuse, read/write ntfs-3g driver, sshfs and avfs16:30
johnxnice, I'd love to try it16:31
solmumahantfs could use some testing as it's a bit of hack16:31
johnxthat's the one I can't really test, sorry :/16:31
johnxis it in .debs or just a .tgz?16:31
pupnikin combination with usb host mode, then you could write to ntfs usb sticks ?16:31
solmumahapupnik: yes, it automounts ntfs drives16:32
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vivijimDaniloCesar: It is possible use the xrandr to rotate screen on Maemo... I can send you my kernel and Xomap.deb but there is a bug when switching on screen (after automatically switch off)16:32
solmumahasshfs and avfs seem to work fine and avfs is very nice, you can cd into compressed archives and run stuff inside them without extracting16:33
kaatissolmumaha, cool. there's experimental fuse, sshfs and sbrsh with sshfs support in repository.
solmumahayou can ever run stuff from your memory cards if they are zipped16:33
vivijimDaniloCesar: when I have some free time I will try to fix it16:33
DaniloCesarvivijim, This feature'll be in next OS releases?16:33
solmumahai only saw fuse for 200616:33
vivijimand then I'll publish the kernel and Xomap deb for chinook16:33
kaatissolmumaha, can you give me a pointer?16:34
DaniloCesari mean, will be default...16:34
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solmumahapm me for packages16:34
vivijimDaniloCesar: I have no idea... The LCD controler patch is already applied on linux-omap main tree but I don't know if Daniel Stone has already applied my patch to Xomap...16:35
johnxdo you think better rotation support will be part of hildon/maemo at some point?16:36
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DaniloCesarvivijim, I was looking for geometrics tricks to rotate pygame screen when I found your post....16:40
DaniloCesarvivijim, Your work with XrandR seems to be very promissive for maemo devices....16:40
pupnikdoes the LCD controller refresh at a fixed hz?  if so is it 51hz, 60hz?16:42
vivijimDaniloCesar: there are another ways to rotate but I believe this  is the best way because it is on hardware... The LCD controller does the rotation itself16:42
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b0unc3guys is there any way to disable the internal gps on n810 ?17:13
KotCzarnywith a hammer?17:13
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X-Fadeb0unc3: Don't use any applications that use gps?17:14
X-FadeOr perhaps kill gpsd?17:14
disqb0unc3: gps location setting in control panel.17:14
b0unc3disq: perfect... thank you17:15
b0unc3uhm... but if I disable the internal gsp... I can't use any gps (bt) ?17:16
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KotCzarnyok, now i have a n00b question, is there any shortcut to lock the device?17:20
KotCzarnynvm, found it17:21
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johnxneed to sleep...17:22
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achadwickb0unc3: you should be able to use a bluetooth GPS device with the n810. I find the internal one's fine for my use though... despite taking forever to lock.17:24
achadwickTalking of n810s: recommendations on cheap bt-enabled data-capable companion phones, anyone (in/near the UK, that is)?17:26
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TobotrasNokia 6021 (no idea about UK, that is :)17:27
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Robot101achadwick: 6151 is cheap and cheerful, very cheap on 3 PAYG (they do £5/mo unlimited internet)17:32
Robot101achadwick: 6120 if you want HSDPA17:32
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n800musicis there a way to pre-download maps for maemo mapper for a few states?17:40
n800musicon mmc17:40
achadwickn800music: Menu > Maps > Manage Maps...17:42
liriI think it's called maemo-mapper17:42
Jaffan800music: yes, zoom out and then you can select a menu option for "download current view at zoom levels ..., ... and ..."17:42
achadwickIf you have a route in mind, enter that and you can then tell it to download tiles near the green line.17:43
lirijaffa do you know if there's any support for the web maps?17:43
n800musichow much data do you think it'd be fir like a few stares at zoom level 4?17:45
n800musicprobably a dumb question, nm17:45
n800musici'll try it17:45
lirithat project is based on roadmap17:47
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Jaffaliri: no idea, I'm afraid17:47
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pupnikMamona might be interesting when it hits 0.217:48
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qwerty12I've been looking at Mamona too. From a user point, I quite like the rotate function17:51
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n800musicis it possible to use 8 Gb cards on n800?18:01
n800musicfound some contradictory info18:02
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fysaI need to fill a DBA position in Bethesda, MD.18:04
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aquatixn800music: i think 8GB SDHC cards should just work18:16
aquatixbut i haven't tried so myself yet18:16
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oilinkiI'm using 8GB and it's working fine18:35
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* dhd highly recommends using cachegrind to simulate the OMAP's memory hierarchy18:48
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leo2007can emacs run in n8x0?18:51
NaviYeah, there was a build posted on the forum18:51
NaviITT forum18:52
pupnikalso planetmaemo18:53
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n800musicoilinki, what make is it?19:02
n800musicthe card19:02
n800musicthey get exoensive at that size, just wanna be sure19:02
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cyberholicHi everyone.... it's 6 PM here so... gooood evening ;)19:06
s_tecAside from the one-page setup guide, are there any docs for esbox? I'm trying to figure out how to do remote debugging on the device.19:06
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cyberholicall: I have added a new category to my new site - like some you of you wished, i added WEBCAMS to it, so that you can show webcams on your Device. At the moment there are just a handfull of them, anyone who would like to see a special cam added?19:07
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oilinkin800music: sorry, I can not remember. some generic card. just bought it from a small shop.19:09
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oilinkin800music: found the device. the card is made by Kingston19:10
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cyberholichey, anyone of you have a favourite webcam link?19:15
leo2007n800music: i can find emacs in planetmaemo?19:16
infobotleo2007 meant: n800music: i cannot find emacs in planetmaemo?19:16
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cyberholicHi Mousey, do you have a favorite webcamlink?19:19
Mouseywhat are you a spambot?19:20
cyberholic*lol* no... a few maemo users asked me to add a webcam option to my new n800n/810 site and now i am seeking for links to add to it.19:20
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* Navi bets he is19:20
Navia human bot19:21
Mouseyoh. sorry man. i'm no help then. internet webcams are all pr0n19:21
cyberholic*lol* ..... either ways they are: if not pr0n then voyeuristic :) .... i am running a san francisco webcam on my device now for about 60 minutes and have seen how the city "wakens up"  :)19:22
cyberholicusing my n800 as a simple "webcam viewer" raly is a bit overexegerated - or how that word is spelled - sorry for me bad anglish ;)19:23
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n800musicthank you19:34
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Naviis it just me, or does anyone else get excessive tearing when using canola?19:37
cyberholicWhat do you mean with tearing?19:38
mgedminjudging from old threads on the mailing list, it's not just you19:38
Navicyberholic, screen tearing19:38
kenneNavi, it is a hardware problem19:38
mgedmincyberholic: animation looking bad because half of the screen shows an old frame and the other half a new one19:38
mgedminbecause screen refresh happens in the middle of drawing19:38
kenneNavi, N770 doesn't have that problem19:38
cyberholicNavi: ah ok, that is exactly the same that happens to some of the mojocafe animations. I think it is a hardware problem....19:39
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Navitearing on a mobile device makes me sad19:39
cyberholicsad like... tearing eyes?19:39
Navioh, punny19:39
MangoFusionhow long does it take to change a track on canola? for me, there is typically a 0.5 ~ 1 second delay19:40
MangoFusiondon't notice much screen tearing though19:40
NaviI only use Canola for music much19:40
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infobotNavi meant: I don't use Canola for music much19:40
kenneMangoFusion, we did all we could do in order to minimize the effect of tearing in Canola19:40
leo2007I am asking a friend to buy a n810 for me. What's the memory and storage size for a standard n810?19:41
cyberholickenne: are you in the canola dev team?19:41
Navileo2007, come again?19:42
kennecyberholic, I am19:42
Naviit has 2GB flash built-in and 128MB RAM, if that's what you're looking for19:42
cyberholickenne: i am asking because i was thinking about adapting the canola menu-working to the mojocafe device GUI. Would that be ok?19:42
Navikenne, <bother> any ETA for the youtube plugin and plugin docs? </bother>19:43
jordihey, any nokia insider who can clue me on who to contact if I'm having problems with my n810 discount code?19:43
jordiI'm getting "coupon.maxusesexceeded"19:43
kennecyberholic, you better talk to our manager :-) There is a forum on, he always responds19:43
leo2007Navi: I guess program will be installed in the flash, right?19:43
cyberholicok, thanks a lot.19:44
Navileo2007, correct19:44
kenneNavi, youtube is being released very soon19:44
leo2007Navi: that's perfect coz emacs takes up a lot of space19:44
kenneNavi, the code will be free and hopefully well documented :-)19:44
Naviwoo19:44 as well?19:44
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cyberholicvagalume is the #1 tool.... it rooooocks19:45
kenneI think we launce youtube first and look if there are any problems with our plugin system19:45
Navicyberholic, yeah, I use vagalume19:45
Navibut it lacks the shininess I like to show off to friends and random people19:46
cyberholicnavi: well, the new design looks way greater then the one before (with the blue gui). But i think so too .... you could in terms of design make more out of it.19:47
* Navi shrugs19:48
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Navikenne, what about theming?19:50
NaviI mean, custom theming19:50
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cyberholicjust a quick question: does anyone of you use his/her device as RSS reader?19:51
kenneNavi, well, we will have news on that soon :-)19:51
Navicyberholic, I do19:51
kenneNavi, and as you might have heard we have some new themes in the works19:51
NaviI stopped running a desktop rss reader19:51
Navion my desktop19:51
cyberholicNavi, i am asking because i am thinking about adding a rss category to the Mojocafe19:51
kenneNavi, we might set up a server where you can give it a tarball of modified images and it will then generate a theme for you19:52
cyberholickenne: will there ever be an option to make own themes for canola?19:52
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kennecyberholic, yes, actually you can do it today19:52
kenneif you install the EFL stack19:52
lcddthe bundled rss reader chokes on gzip-compressed feeds19:52
kennethere is a decompiler edje_cc19:52
kenneand decompile, modify and compile again19:52
cyberholicthe problem is that i am not very into *nix, maemo programming. i am more a designer with some php,sql knowledge.19:52
Navioh, cool19:52
Navi'cuz I have the latest cvs EFL19:53
* Navi runs E17 on his desktop19:53
kenneso what are you waiting for :-D19:53
NaviWaiting for spring break19:53
cyberholici am just starting a rss reader as mojocafe mojo aka applet so that feeds will cycle fullscreen....19:53
Navicyberholic, mojocafe doesn't load for me, btw19:54
cyberholicnavi: have flashblock active?19:54
NaviI have flash disabled19:54
cyberholicthats the problem :)19:54
Navikenne, just one more question though, why isn't Canola open?19:55
kennethat is a manager decision, and I do not really know the reason, but it is probably business related19:55
cyberholicMay Harry Potter and Rambo together can open it!?19:56
MoRpHeUzcyberholic: (regarding themes) so, you'll like a web tool we are developing to help generating new themes19:56
kenneNavi, us (the developers) have tried to make it open and actually some of the backedn is19:56
cyberholicmorpheuz: rock on! and reeeespect! Sounds very cool.19:57
NaviThat's cool19:57
kenneNavi, like our media scanner, the whole EFL stack (our 16 bit engine etc, python bindings), the canola daemon etc19:57
kenneNavi, we are trying to make up for that with our plugin system19:57
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NaviYeah, I've been looking forward to the plugin system since I've heard about it19:58
kennecyberholic, efleury is the web theme tool coder :-)19:58
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kenneor at least that guy is called fleury so I hope it is the same :-)19:59
efleurykenne: haha that's me19:59
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kenneefleury, what is with the e?20:00
kenneeduardo doh20:00
efleurykenne: eduardo :) and "fleury" is already registered by someone else20:00
kenneforgot you have a first name20:00
kennestupid fake dane20:00
kennehow that my name has become kenneth da silva, I will name you Erik Fleury20:01
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MoRpHeUzkenne: your brazilian name is "kenneth josé" and not "kenneth da silva"20:02
kennejose da silva!20:02
MoRpHeUzok, we can work it out =P20:02
efleuryhaha erik? like in the lost vikings?20:02
efleurykenne: ^20:03
efleurythe jumper viking20:03
cyberholicaaaaaaaaaah.... videocenter made my device just crash.... jesus..... what the hack????? *shiver*20:03
kenneor let me call you Einar (the lonely walker :P)20:03
efleuryI like Erik better :)20:03
kennethat is the name of my granddad20:03
efleurysoh I can be called Einar in attention to your granddad20:04
pupnikperhaps the canola devs hope/hoped to sell their software to buy food n stuff20:05
NaviManagement needs teh moolah20:05
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NaviPimlico is really polished20:05
MoRpHeUzpupnik: hhmm...maybe...20:05
pupniki just want to see linux on handhelds20:05
NaviI should subscribe to their mailing lists20:06
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Naviand complain20:06
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pupnikwrite to microsoft and complain, or adobe etc20:06
pupnik"hey, where's the source?!??oneon"20:06
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MoRpHeUzpupnik: or maybe they do a lot of free software development, and also develop some other stuff to buy their "food and stuff"20:07
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pupnikgreets MoRpHeUz :) congrats on rotated mode work20:09
MoRpHeUzpupnik: =D thanks =)20:09
leo2007Navi: do you run Emacs?20:09
NaviNah, vim20:09
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Dazgardim developing a remote controler for ardour20:09
Dazgardit will be based on efl + python + osc20:10
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MoRpHeUzpupnik: do you anyting about s60's emulators ?20:10
pupnik no haven't looked20:10
Dazgardwhat you guys are using to develop such app,20:10
Dazgardthe canola guys for example ?20:11
Navicome again?20:11
Navi"using to develop" is a really broad term.20:11
MoRpHeUzanybody here coming to bossa conference ?20:11
infobotNavi meant: "using to develop" is a really broad phrase.20:11
kennewe just use a default linux desktop :)20:11
pupnika compUt3r!20:11
kenneit all runs on the desktop20:11
Dazgardok, so i'll have to install efl dev tools, that is20:12
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leo2007Can someone give me some idea on the startup time of Emacs in n8x0?20:12
Dazgardi thought there were some kind of appliance for maemo + efl20:13
MoRpHeUzDazgard: to develop you just need a regular "IBM/PC" as cmarcelo used to say, python and efl =)20:13
MoRpHeUz(regarding canola plugins)20:14
Dazgardthat's cool20:14
MoRpHeUzand for sure the docs and sources that we are preparing for you "out there" hehe20:14
MoRpHeUz(they are not really _needed_, but may help a little bit)20:14
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kenneMoRpHeUz, you can reproduce? try my new python-downloadmanager if so..20:17
MoRpHeUzkenne: I used the last packages from etrunko's rep.20:18
MoRpHeUzon my device I can reproduce it everytime20:18
kenneMoRpHeUz, I will ask him to make a new package20:18
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cyberholicOk guys.... i will leave now and try to develop the rss feed showers for the mojocafe... see ya later... hugs and greetings,carlos20:21
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pupnik The Atari 2600 continued to sell in the USA and Europe until 1990,  -- a 13 year run ...20:31
pupnikThe development of the Atari 2600 had cost about US$100 million. (!)20:32
KotCzarnysimple pleasures20:32
kenneNavi, cyberholic you guys know that there is a #canola channel here :) feel free to join20:33
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pupniki do like the colors on the 770 screen better in darkened rooms20:43
pupnik  BREAKING NEWS:  Admiral fallon who threatened to resign if an attack were committed on Iran.  Has resigned.20:47
pupnik<- afk beer20:48
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Navipupnik, yeah, I've read that20:51
KotCzarnybad news20:51
Navithe Pentagon denies the policy shift, though20:52
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KotCzarnywe will see20:52
KotCzarnybut denying isn't any proof in politics20:52
KotCzarnyonly straight facts20:52
am_hi all20:54
KotCzarnyAnd oil, which just bumped up against $110 a barrel, an all-time record, will double in price overnight, as the whole Persian Gulf becomes a war zone.20:54
am_does hal not work with batter status?20:54
BrainsEr, that breaking news isn't even all that breaking..  He resigned yesterday.20:55
KotCzarnywas it in the tv?20:55
NaviDunno, I got it yesterday through /.20:56
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cyberholicGood evening everyone.... i am updating the Mojocafe and have an english grammer question, can i ask it!?22:17
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cyberholicIs a phrase like "Already x people out their spicing up their devices with some of our Mojos" a correct english one?22:18
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qwerty12_N800there not their :) (actually not sure myself but i know for sure it22:20
Tama^2you mean: out there are spicing ...22:20
qwerty12_N800isnt their22:21
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cyberholicBut i mean.... the devices from people.... isnt it their?22:22
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Tama^2"Already x people out their spicing up their devices with some of our Mojos"22:22
Tama^2the first their is probably not what you want22:22
Tama^2the second is fine22:23
cyberholicoh... correct! thanks a lot!22:23
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BrainsI could have sworn that youtube had worked for me in the past but now I'm getting the old flash verion error...22:40
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pupnik   gaze upon the horror that is OPL2 synthesizer emulation - flag to lardman|gone, spirytusick, jott, KotCzarny, inz22:43
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solmumahaBrains: enable flash from browsers magnifying glass icon22:45
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spirytusickpupnik: thanks22:45
spirytusicklooks compilcated...22:46
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pupnikthat's the sound blaster music synth taking up 22% of cpu time22:47
spirytusickholly, no wonder universe was quite slow22:47
spirytusickpupnik: do you know anything about dsp programming under maemo ? perhaps it can be used to off load the cpu ?22:47
spirytusick but that would probably mean a full rewrite :(22:48
pupnikyes i am praying for that22:48
pupnikno not full rewrite22:48
pupnikjust some real work22:48
spirytusickpupnik: glad you are still tinkering the dosbox22:48
spirytusickpupnik: I've tried a few games today, but universe and darkseed seem a little too demanding22:49
pupnikwithout sound you should be fine with 286 class games22:49
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pupniki.e. if the game came out before 1990 (doesn't have 256 color vga support)22:50
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solmumahalong way to daggerfall :(22:50
spirytusickpupnik: yep, but no sound suxx in adventure games... I am left with scummvm22:50
spirytusickwhich works rather well22:51
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pupnikthat goddamn OPL2 synth is killing performance for freesci as well22:51
spirytusickbut it does not have to emulate a lot of hardware :)22:51
pupnikit also does the damn opl222:51
pupniki need to check how he's using it22:51
spirytusickyep but it does not have tu emu a cpu and other bits22:51
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spirytusicki suppose it is an interpretter for game data, no real emulation aside from the sound22:52
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spirytusickbtw, maemo and symbian versions have disabled the mt-32 emulation,22:53
spirytusickprobably to cpu intensive22:53
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disqgood, got my 8gb microsd23:00
disqnow all i need is a micro to mini converter23:00
Paavoi'm continually amazed by multi-gigabyte microsd cards23:01
disqyeah me too :)23:01
Paavothere's just something so scifi about them23:01
disqdarn thing smaller than my nail23:02
Paavomy first HDD was 210 MB...23:02
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spirytusickPaavo: easy to carry, easy to swallow, will replace prozac eventualy23:04
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fysamy first was 174848 bytes. ;)23:06
Paavothings start get really interesting if the non-volatile magnetic RAM gets practical and widely deployed.
henriqueis it possible to work with FAM in maemo? if not, is there some notification gadget for files modification?23:07
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Paavoback to the good old days of RAM for both heap and mass storage23:08
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spirytusickmy first hdd was 20mb, good a590 for amiga.. old rmfl drive.. and at that time it was amazig23:08
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spirytusickI carry more in my IT everyday that my first serious pc had... 6.4gb23:08
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schu`anyone here install omniorb onto an n800?23:09
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Brainssolmumaha: It was already turned on...23:11
f_mohrhow do i repartition the internal card in my n810? fdisk seems not to be available (i want to fix that oversized partition problem -
henriqueit should be a good thing to add a "timestamp" field for rtcom-recent-calls file, btw23:13
PaavoI wonder what changes will happen in application space when MRAM is the only memory technology on a device?23:13
f_mohrfdisk and gpartedit over usb seem not to find a partition table at all23:13
fysakeep every application resident at all times ;)23:13
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PaavoIf you want to be sloppy you no longer have to write a "save" routine.23:14
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fysaemulate all UAE games simultaneously23:14
PaavoYou start an application once when you install it and it just keeps all documents in RAM.23:14
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PaavoIn case backups are needed, just dump a copy of the application's memory image to a backup area.23:15
BrainsHmmm...  Browser restart fixed it.23:15
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PaavoCould you replace the filesystem with interoperating persistent components?23:16
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