| cyberholic | shackan: what is a real calendar? ...... ;) | 00:01 |
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| jott | cyberholic: when i "browse mojos" only half of the big preview on the right is visible | 00:01 |
| shackan | looks like someone has been staring at screens for too long | 00:01 |
| cyberholic | jott: what screen resolution do you have? | 00:02 |
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| jott | a real calender is something anachronistic from the last millenium :) | 00:02 |
| cyberholic | jott: smiiiiiiiiiiiiiiile . | 00:02 |
| jott | cyberholic: 800x480 (fullscreen microb without urlbar etc on n810) | 00:03 |
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| cyberholic | jott: are you surfing the site with your device? In fact you visit www.mojocafe.de with an usual pc. There you set up the 4 widgets aka Mojos you would like to have and then you surf to my.mojocafe.de with your Device and start the software. | 00:03 |
| jott | oh.. | 00:04 |
| jott | ok | 00:04 |
| cLin | i wish the escape button doubled as a reload button in microb | 00:04 |
| shackan | cyberholic: what software? | 00:04 |
| jott | i have disabled flash on all my desktop browsers :) | 00:04 |
| shackan | jott++ | 00:04 |
| cyberholic | shackan: sorry... no software, the website.... my fault. you do not need to install anything. jott: oh.. ok :) | 00:04 |
| jott | i guess the selection site could also be used on the device itself | 00:05 |
| jott | no need to use a desktop | 00:05 |
| cyberholic | jott: i tried that before, but my fat fingers where too fat for the amount of tiny buttons :) | 00:05 |
| jott | increase the size of the checkboxes etc ;) | 00:06 |
| shackan | no need to use a site at all, the worldclock is nice and works without a connection :D | 00:06 |
| jott | shackan: well it's nice to have a choice .. :) | 00:06 |
| cyberholic | shackan: what do you mean? | 00:06 |
| cyberholic | shackan: oh, you mean the clock that comes with the OS? | 00:07 |
| pupnik | jott: i can't get dosbox to create .gcda files on device. if you're ever interested in trying it, let me know | 00:07 |
| shackan | cyberholic: no, I mean the full screen clock+calendar overlaid with the worldmap which I installed last week | 00:07 |
| cyberholic | any screenshot? | 00:08 |
| shackan | cyberholic: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/mclock/ | 00:08 |
| jott | pupnik: do other apps (simple test cases) generate the data? | 00:08 |
| shackan | I'd say it looks nice | 00:08 |
| pupnik | yes uae4all did it fine | 00:08 |
| shackan | and dosn't need a connection :D | 00:08 |
| pupnik | but i am not getting a .gcno for dosbox.o on generate state | 00:08 |
| pupnik | stage... so perhaps that's the problem | 00:08 |
| pupnik | i'll keep trying stuff | 00:09 |
| cyberholic | ah, what i said... :) | 00:09 |
| shackan | what did you say? | 00:09 |
| ynezz | cyberholic: strip poker would be more popular :) | 00:09 |
| cyberholic | shackan: does it show the actual weather condition? does it have a connection to your flickr account? Does it show you your gmail or yahoo mail account? | 00:09 |
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| shackan | cyberholic: do I need it? | 00:10 |
| shackan | no :) | 00:10 |
| cyberholic | ynezz: thanks for the tipp, will think about such a widget ;) | 00:10 |
| jott | weather is important.. you do not have to look out of the window to see if it rains *g* | 00:10 |
| shackan | jott: EXACTLY :D | 00:10 |
| cLin | is there anyway to use the shortcut keys in gmail on the microb browsers? seems like the only time i can bring up the keyboard is for inputting something | 00:11 |
| * jott has an linux ipaq running only showing a clock and a forecast :) | 00:11 | |
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| cyberholic | jott: thanks :) | 00:12 |
| jott | thats what vintage devices are for :P | 00:12 |
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| jott | oh it also shows how long its to next sunrise/sunset so you can prepare your sunglasses when your coding session went too long :) | 00:13 |
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| cyberholic | looool | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | i dont code too long - the sun is just ahead of schedule | 00:15 |
| jott | lcuk: either way.. it's good to have an up-to-date schedule :) | 00:15 |
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| lcuk | deadlines scare me | 00:16 |
| lcuk | i do less knowing that i am running out of time | 00:16 |
| jott | hehe deadline increase productivity :) | 00:16 |
| lcuk | i am actually quite efficient tho - when scheduling for things i can generally hit the nail on the head | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | true | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | without deadlines projects tend to take forever | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:17 |
| KotCzarny | also priorities are usefull ;) | 00:18 |
| lcuk | my todo/scheduling is a piece of paper with stars and numbers and ticks | 00:18 |
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| KotCzarny | paper? | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | what's that | 00:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:18 |
| lcuk | yes | 00:18 |
| lcuk | i havent found a piece of software yet which wastes less of my time and gives me the right amount of information | 00:19 |
| lcuk | i keep electronic logs of past work, but on a day to week basis i have a sheet which i get through | 00:19 |
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| lcuk | and this is from the guy that has written multiple schedulers and timesheet and task apps ;) | 00:20 |
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| jott | hehe so none of the apps you wrote was really good?! :p | 00:21 |
| lcuk | they werent written for me :) | 00:21 |
| jott | :) | 00:21 |
| lcuk | my tasks app is used daily by all in the offices and currently contains around 200k tasks | 00:21 |
| lcuk | i was shocked actually because i was asked to make a change and realised i started working on it 7 years ago | 00:22 |
| lcuk | and yes, if i had a schedule it would have been finished in 3 months ;) | 00:22 |
| jott | eheh yeah just rewrite it :) | 00:22 |
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| lcuk | no need - it suits its purpose amazingly well and has scaled as required | 00:23 |
| lcuk | and the bosses can get the information they require out of it | 00:23 |
| lcuk | bathtime | 00:25 |
| lcuk | back later | 00:25 |
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| cyberholic | ok... back again... just in case someone is still interested about seeing it in action, visit www.mojocafe.de with your device (!) | 00:56 |
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| pupnik | flash based? | 00:57 |
| pupnik | url not found cyberholic | 00:58 |
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| pupnik | redirects to mymojo.html | 00:58 |
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| cyberholic | pupnik: sorry.... it should work now. | 00:59 |
| spirytusick | elou :) | 01:01 |
| jott | cyberholic: redirects here too and wants a nlogin :/ | 01:02 |
| jott | spirytusick: hello :) | 01:02 |
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| cyberholic | jott: yeah, because you must register first at the "big site" with your pc :) | 01:04 |
| spirytusick | jott: :) hey :) | 01:04 |
| spirytusick | hey pupnik:) | 01:04 |
| pupnik | hi | 01:04 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: lo krajanie :) | 01:04 |
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| KotCzarny | spirytusik: ja spie | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4217 | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | Ed.note: I can confirm Firefox 3 beta 4 is much faster than IE7. FINALLY! | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 01:04 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: not bad for a sleepwalker :) | 01:04 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: they will fix it to be as slow as usual in the final release :) | 01:05 |
| jott | cyberholic: i dont want to register :/... you should make a guest account | 01:05 |
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| cyberholic | jott: ok.... just a second. | 01:06 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: seriously, I cant wait as firefox under linux is very slow (compared to win ver anyway) | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | jott: who was the guy that told me to register on bugs.meamo.org? | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:06 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: I can make a cup of coffe during startup, and drink it before the window opens up in full :) | 01:06 |
| cyberholic | kot: loooool | 01:06 |
| smackpotato | why dont i have gdkwindows.h | 01:07 |
| KotCzarny | spirytusick: mine firefox works fine :) | 01:07 |
| cyberholic | jott: tell me a password as private mssge plllliiise and i add you manualy to the DB. | 01:07 |
| jott | KotCzarny: you can browse bugs.m.o without registration ;) | 01:08 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: Mine works fine, but slow :) | 01:08 |
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| KotCzarny | jott: but not post ;) | 01:08 |
| cyberholic | Kot: you wanna try out my new site? | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | cyberholic: noe | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | no | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | i think i'll go to bed | 01:08 |
| cyberholic | :( ... okay | 01:08 |
| cyberholic | you could have one of the nice clocks right next to your bed ;) | 01:09 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: good night Kot. C U 2morrow | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | night night | 01:09 |
| KotCzarny | [d] | 01:09 |
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| cyberholic | jott: still there? | 01:21 |
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| cyberholic | Ok, due to the good idea of Jott, i have added a "Demo" Mode of my new n800 "service". You can visit http://www.mojocafe.de with your device and at the bottom left there is a DEMO Mode button. | 01:23 |
| pupnik | will do :) | 01:25 |
| cyberholic | pupnik: what do you mean? sorry ma english ain`t the best :( | 01:25 |
| pupnik | werde es probieren | 01:26 |
| cyberholic | :) ... habe verstanden | 01:26 |
| cyberholic | thanks a lot :) | 01:26 |
| pupnik | nice design cyberholic | 01:27 |
| Cptnodegard | god i hate flash | 01:27 |
| cyberholic | Does anyone know how i can tell the mbrowser to go Fullscreen by html? | 01:27 |
| cyberholic | pupnik: thanks a lot | 01:27 |
| Cptnodegard | somewhere along the way people tripped, lost html and decided to crap all over common sense. they named the projevt flash | 01:27 |
| cyberholic | cptnodegard: i had to realize that a lot of people do but unfortunately it`s an easy and nice way to make some beauty interactivity. | 01:27 |
| Cptnodegard | flashblock ftw :d | 01:28 |
| cyberholic | well, not if you want to be entertained, i think :) | 01:29 |
| cyberholic | Who wants me to make a Flash Clock for him? Pupnik: you want your own Flash Clock? I can add it to the MOJO archive | 01:30 |
| pupnik | hehe @ tissot urh | 01:30 |
| pupnik | uhr | 01:30 |
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| cyberholic | pupnik: what is tissot? | 01:31 |
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| pupnik | famous old scheizer uhr | 01:31 |
| cyberholic | oh, well... i think i better dont do that or their lawyers will get in contact with me :) | 01:32 |
| pupnik | i don't think they can trademark a swiss flag icon, can they? | 01:33 |
| pupnik | http://simplyswiss.typepad.com/simplyswiss/images/tissot_logo_and_product.jpg | 01:33 |
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| pupnik | btw jott - speed not noticeably improved for dosbox from gcc 3.4 to 4.2 (no profile-generate data used). too many errors in 4.2 to run benchmarks | 01:35 |
| f_mohr | watch reminds me .. is there a way to change the clock display to 24hrs instead of am/pm? | 01:35 |
| cyberholic | no, but their name :) i just finished the clock and will put it online now.... gimme a second | 01:35 |
| cyberholic | f_mohr: are you talking about one of the Mojocafe clocks? | 01:37 |
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| f_mohr | clock applet and the world clock that come with the device | 01:38 |
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| cyberholic | f_mohr: oh... you should ask Kot about that, he is more into that tool instead of the Mojocafe.de ones. | 01:38 |
| cyberholic | pupnik: check the mojocafe site with your desktop pc... your clock is online ;) | 01:39 |
| cyberholic | Hope you like it ;) | 01:39 |
| pupnik | do you do professional flash work cyberholic ? | 01:39 |
| cyberholic | yep | 01:39 |
| pupnik | did you work for INM frankfurt? | 01:40 |
| cyberholic | nope :) | 01:40 |
| pupnik | ok, just a guess | 01:40 |
| cyberholic | Since i typed the word PRINT for the first time on my Commodore 116, i never had a fulltime job for anyone :) | 01:40 |
| cyberholic | i am a freelancer | 01:41 |
| pupnik | hehe @ pupnik mojo | 01:41 |
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| pupnik | do you have a network of clients or get most work from online jobboerse? | 01:42 |
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| cyberholic | network of clients. 2006 i did the sensationwhite.de website by myself and this year there is another big event that i was asked to develop the onlinesite for. I do these kind of thinks (like endorphinum.de and now mojocafe.de) just within my sparetime.... | 01:44 |
| pupnik | cyberholic - in confirmation email, s/weren't/was not/ | 01:46 |
| cyberholic | pupnik: what do you mean? sorry for my bad english. | 01:47 |
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| pupnik | pm | 01:48 |
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| pupnik | 123 | 01:51 |
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| pupnik | now i can brag to my friends that i have a 450 euro watch :) | 01:58 |
| pupnik | thanks cyberholic | 01:59 |
| cyberholic | :) | 01:59 |
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| pupnik | btw cyberholic did you own a commodore amiga? | 02:00 |
| cyberholic | nope, i had the one before the commodore64 | 02:01 |
| pupnik | we should have a nice emulator, 'soon' | 02:01 |
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| pupnik | wow i forgot about that machine | 02:02 |
| cyberholic | :) | 02:03 |
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| cyberholic | I even had the datasette and my first game on it was Green Beret. It took about 20 Minutes to load :) | 02:03 |
| jott | reminds me that i wanted to port a cpc emulator for the ITs :) | 02:04 |
| pupnik | when i translated my resume to german, 'commodore pet' turned into 'flottenadmiral streicher' | 02:05 |
| cyberholic | loooooooooooooool | 02:05 |
| pupnik | (no kidding) | 02:05 |
| Tama^2 | lol | 02:05 |
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| jott | pupnik: hehe :) | 02:07 |
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| pupnik | http://cgi.ebay.de/Commodore-PET-Series-3032-Model-2001-32-N-220-Volt_W0QQitemZ260218033051QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3544QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem there's one for sale in Koeln | 02:11 |
| pupnik | man, i'd love to get his Apple ][ | 02:13 |
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| jott | woe already at 158 euro.. quite alot ;) | 02:17 |
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| pupnik | that's ok, i'll have the emulator sound fixed soon, i hope | 02:18 |
| pupnik | i really must learn how to wait for vsync | 02:18 |
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| pupnik | http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif Cat playing with N810 :) | 02:22 |
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| jott | pupnik: spaceball.gif is just a placeholder to prevent image theft :) | 02:27 |
| pupnik | oh sorry | 02:27 |
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| pupnik | http://tabletblog.com/2008/03/n810-native-usb-host.html Konttori made a usb host mode control application -- nice | 02:29 |
| jott | pupnik: http://www.ghacks.net/2007/09/29/how-to-avoid-saving-spaceballgif-at-flickr/ hmm :) | 02:29 |
| pupnik | i lost the link - it was thoughtfix's cat staring intently at a n810 lying on the floor | 02:30 |
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| cyberholic | 0 | 02:45 |
| johnx | 1? | 02:48 |
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| johnx | pupnik, it's up on planet.maemo.org if you're still looking for it... | 02:51 |
| pupnik | just ran through that blog. found it amusing how the universality of the tablet devices means i'm completely uninterested in what they're doing (and probably vice-versa) | 02:52 |
| pupnik | http://ufo2000.sourceforge.net/files/ btw jott some more low level stuff in case you didn't see it | 02:53 |
| pupnik | (old stuff) | 02:54 |
| cyberholic | pupnik..... i made two new clocks :) | 02:59 |
| shackan | pupnik: are there any playable 3d games for the tablets? (no, q2 doesn't count as playable on an n800 :( ) | 02:59 |
| cyberholic | jesus..... i am up since 8:30 yesterday and now it is 2 AM aaaaaand... the birds are singing...that birdy must be drunken! | 02:59 |
| cyberholic | shackan: wasnt there doom? | 03:00 |
| shackan | same as q2 | 03:00 |
| cyberholic | :) | 03:00 |
| cyberholic | Giana Siters 3D !? | 03:00 |
| shackan | ? | 03:00 |
| cyberholic | just kidding | 03:00 |
| cyberholic | Giana Sisters were the lesbian friends of the gay Mario Bros. | 03:01 |
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| pupnik | yes 3d: duke nukem, shadow warrior, warzone2100 | 03:02 |
| cyberholic | Watchawaiddin for? | 03:02 |
| shackan | shadow what? | 03:02 |
| shackan | googling | 03:02 |
| pupnik | i'm trying to get an optimized build of NoGravity for N8x0 finished here | 03:03 |
| pupnik | in case anybody wants to help | 03:03 |
| pupnik | 3d space combat (wing commander-like) | 03:03 |
| shackan | YES YES YES ! | 03:04 |
| shackan | that's what I'm looking for | 03:04 |
| shackan | no first person shooters :P | 03:04 |
| cyberholic | hey pupnik: i will a lot of work within the next weeks, but if you want me to do any kind of logos or pre-designs just get in contact with me at endorphinum@googlemail.com | 03:05 |
| pupnik | it's very fast for most levels. but the space stations draw far too slow | 03:05 |
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| pupnik | ok - good luck with your project cyberholic | 03:05 |
| cyberholic | thnx... c ya.... ill write a mail to the maemo users-list and then go to bed.... | 03:06 |
| shackan | pupnik: ooh, the screenshots look good | 03:06 |
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| shackan | pupnik: is there anything like wipeout out there in the open world ? | 03:06 |
| shackan | I never found anything good | 03:06 |
| pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/nogravity/ if you want to try the first build by Sergio feel free | 03:07 |
| shackan | I surely will! | 03:07 |
| shackan | as soon as I go to bed and grab the n800 :D | 03:07 |
| pupnik | on what system did you play wipeout? | 03:07 |
| shackan | actually, I never played wipeout, never had it and never played much games in general | 03:08 |
| shackan | but, I saw it on tv and it looked like great fun | 03:09 |
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| jott | i played wipeout on ps1.. :) | 03:09 |
| shackan | yeah it's very old (the first one at least) | 03:09 |
| jott | http://ecksdee.sf.net/ now we just need 3d drivers ;) | 03:10 |
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| shackan | jott: I tried ecks | 03:11 |
| shackan | it's a monster | 03:11 |
| shackan | it's written using the python bindings to crystalspace | 03:11 |
| jott | yieks :O | 03:12 |
| shackan | awful and painfully slow | 03:12 |
| shackan | doesn't even run on my not-so-shiny laptop | 03:12 |
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| pupnik | /usr/lib/libpthread.a: could not read symbols: Bad value | 03:32 |
| pupnik | how did i broke this? | 03:32 |
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| pupnik | /usr/lib/libpthread.a(unwind.o): In function `unwind_stop': undefined reference to `_Unwind_GetCFA' | 03:42 |
| pupnik | heh | 03:42 |
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| unique311 | pupnik How are you going about placing oncreen buttons for that port? | 03:47 |
| pupnik | they're placed, not active though | 03:47 |
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| unique311 | where is the documentation on how to do this? | 03:53 |
| unique311 | if there's any | 03:53 |
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| pupnik | on how to add onscreen buttons to an sdl app? | 03:58 |
| disq | got my n810 few days ago (finally) and started working on keyboard support in kagu | 03:59 |
| pupnik | \p/ | 03:59 |
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| pupnik | disq: is kagu sdl? | 04:00 |
| disq | yeah but pygame | 04:00 |
| unique311 | pupnik, yes | 04:00 |
| unique311 | to buttons to an sdl app | 04:00 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz is probably the simplest app you'll find with onscreen buttons (source) | 04:01 |
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| cheesebob | Is iwconfig available for OS2008? | 04:43 |
| texel | Yes. Look for wireless-tools. | 04:43 |
| pupnik | lol "rails -> ." | 04:48 |
| texel | Well. That sucked. Guess I have to reinstall Debian because it stuck me on the amd64 track and I can't use scratchbox with that, apparently. O.o | 04:48 |
| texel | Eh? | 04:49 |
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| pupnik | never saw someone symlink like that before | 04:49 |
| texel | Yeah. | 04:49 |
| texel | Thank Rails' broken concept of demand/cache-loading of classes for that one. =o( | 04:49 |
| * texel has to fight with rails at work almost daily | 04:50 | |
| texel | ...and I've chased that particular weirdness down many, many times before. | 04:51 |
| shackan | eww | 04:51 |
| Tama^2 | never an ORM was so overrated xD | 04:51 |
| texel | Heh | 04:52 |
| texel | Agreed. | 04:52 |
| texel | Too much magic there. | 04:52 |
| Brains | Did somebody just say that scratchbox was a no-go on amd64? | 04:56 |
| texel | Yep. | 04:57 |
| texel | I did. | 04:57 |
| texel | Just tried it. | 04:57 |
| texel | The only binaries they provide in the apt repo are i386. | 04:57 |
| texel | apt-get on amd64 debian only fetches i386. | 04:57 |
| texel | err... s/i386/amd64/ | 04:57 |
| * Brains wonders what the ebuild situation is like. | 04:58 | |
| * texel shrugs | 04:58 | |
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| texel | Nice nick, btw. =o) | 04:58 |
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| * Brains takes a bow... "Been using it for close to twenty years now.. Backhanded compliment from my little brother. *chuckle*" | 05:00 | |
| texel | Heh | 05:00 |
| texel | That's pretty cool. =o) | 05:01 |
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| pupnik | wish our busybox had a real history | 05:14 |
| pupnik | !scp | 05:14 |
| pupnik | etc | 05:14 |
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| pupnik | New emu 'port': Stella atari 2600 emulator. http://pupnik.de/stella_2.4.1-1_armel.deb (compiled only for N8x0) | 05:17 |
| Navi | yay | 05:17 |
| Navi | now I can play pitfall nonstop | 05:18 |
| pupnik | it's kind of wack | 05:18 |
| pupnik | i mean... seeing those things again | 05:18 |
| pupnik | you might want to map controls (optins: input) | 05:18 |
| pupnik | i have fullscreen-> firebutton 1, menu -> firebutton2, (-) select difficulty, (+) start, (esc) abort | 05:19 |
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| Navi | Can you set it to keyboard crap? | 05:20 |
| pupnik | you can have multiple bindings defined if you have n810 or bt keyboard | 05:20 |
| Navi | I was just planning on pairing up my wiimote, as I carry that around a lot | 05:21 |
| pupnik | that would be fun to get working with emus/games | 05:21 |
| Navi | I don't care that it has motion sensing crap when playing emus, just that it's the smallest wireless joypad available to me | 05:22 |
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| pupnik | so the driver for it will make it emulate a keyboard? | 05:23 |
| pupnik | that way you could use it without patching any games/emus | 05:23 |
| Navi | not really a driver, cwiid just interprets data sent from the wiimote over bluetooth and you can output it any way you want it through using plugins | 05:24 |
| Navi | joypad, keyboard, mouse, etc | 05:24 |
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| pupnik | you've tried it? | 05:25 |
| Navi | only on the PC | 05:25 |
| Navi | haven't had the motivation to do so on the tablets | 05:26 |
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| procto | dragorn: are there any beta packages of kismet for os2008 out there? | 05:47 |
| shackan | pupnik: nogravity doesn't even start | 05:47 |
| shackan | (and the deb is from 2006, so it was expected) | 05:47 |
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| cheesebob | is there any chance that an injection capable driver will become available for the wifi chipset? | 05:50 |
| pupnik | shackan: really? what tablet do you have? | 05:50 |
| shackan | n800 | 05:51 |
| pupnik | did you install the game data? | 05:51 |
| shackan | mm, just the deb | 05:51 |
| procto | cheesebob: just about nill | 05:52 |
| pupnik | ah it needs the game data from the nogravity homepage | 05:52 |
| shackan | uh | 05:52 |
| shackan | damn I just turned it off :\ | 05:52 |
| procto | cheesebob: i've looked into it, asked the maintainer, and asked what dragorn thinks about it | 05:52 |
| cheesebob | procto, what if someone was to ninja the abstraction layer specifications | 05:52 |
| pupnik | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131322&package_id=144311 Nogravity data is also available from the sourceforge site | 05:53 |
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| shackan | pupnik: ugh, 33Mb :\ | 05:54 |
| procto | cheesebob: if that was the case, and someone matched my regular job's salary for 2 weeks over the summer | 05:54 |
| pupnik | it goes onto mmc | 05:54 |
| shackan | which one^ | 05:54 |
| shackan | ? | 05:54 |
| procto | cheesebob: we could have one then | 05:54 |
| pupnik | /media/mmc1/nogravity afaik | 05:55 |
| shackan | that's the external one, right? | 05:55 |
| cheesebob | procto, what's your regular salaray for two weeks, roughly | 05:55 |
| procto | around 4k USD | 05:56 |
| shackan | wow | 05:56 |
| procto | before tax :> | 05:56 |
| procto | but as a student i only work full time oven the summer | 05:56 |
| procto | over the summer | 05:57 |
| procto | so don't bother multiplying that by 25 :> | 05:57 |
| shackan | still, that's freaking good money for a student | 05:57 |
| procto | I like to think I'm worth it | 05:57 |
| shackan | I won't make anything near that even after I graduate | 05:57 |
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| cheesebob | 8 grand a month is fairly good | 05:58 |
| shackan | indeed | 05:58 |
| cheesebob | shackan, major? | 05:59 |
| shackan | computer engineering | 05:59 |
| cheesebob | procto, what do you specialize in | 05:59 |
| cheesebob | now im just ineterested | 05:59 |
| pupnik | If you're in the USA and not increasing salary by 12% P.A. in 2007/2008, you're losing real wages | 06:00 |
| cheesebob | oh question is there a replacement for the default map software that is better and free? | 06:00 |
| shackan | I'm not in usa | 06:00 |
| shackan | and engineers here make less than $1500/mo | 06:00 |
| cheesebob | pupnik, 12% will be chump change for the next few years | 06:00 |
| cheesebob | wait 4 months and buy property | 06:00 |
| cheesebob | it'll be at a decade low | 06:00 |
| cheesebob | shackan, most engineers here make that too | 06:01 |
| cheesebob | just the smart ones that done | 06:01 |
| cheesebob | dont* | 06:01 |
| pupnik | either that or dry goods, water, fuel and ammo :) | 06:01 |
| Tama^2 | lol | 06:01 |
| shackan | cheesebob: well, I know people with masters and hons., and don't make more than that | 06:01 |
| cheesebob | heh | 06:01 |
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| shackan | (of course that isn't a measure of 'smart' in any way) | 06:02 |
| cheesebob | there are relatively few trully skilled engineers in the united states | 06:02 |
| cheesebob | the vast majority are capable | 06:02 |
| cheesebob | but do not deserve the amount they demand | 06:02 |
| cheesebob | so they get less :P | 06:02 |
| cheesebob | <3 capitalism | 06:02 |
| shackan | fair enough | 06:03 |
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| cheesebob | wait so is there a replacement for the map software for the n810 that is either better and/or free | 06:03 |
| cheesebob | ? | 06:03 |
| KotCzarny | maemo-mapper | 06:04 |
| KotCzarny | the one and only you will need | 06:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:04 |
| cheesebob | epic win :D | 06:04 |
| shackan | KotCzarny: heh, but it only works with an internet connection | 06:05 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 06:05 |
| shackan | uh? | 06:05 |
| KotCzarny | you can 'preload' maps | 06:05 |
| shackan | from google? | 06:05 |
| KotCzarny | there's an option for that | 06:05 |
| KotCzarny | from google or other sources | 06:05 |
| cheesebob | much better ue of the screen realestate | 06:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:05 |
| shackan | wow, epic win then | 06:05 |
| KotCzarny | though google satellite barfs sometimes | 06:06 |
| KotCzarny | probably anti-leech scripts | 06:06 |
| KotCzarny | but ve satellite works nicely | 06:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:06 |
| pupnik | does maemo-mapper data take up much more space than wayfinder | 06:06 |
| KotCzarny | 701.1M Maps | 06:06 |
| cheesebob | yeha i notice that maps.google.com gets slower the more you use it, even if you reload the page or restart the browser | 06:06 |
| KotCzarny | and it's only poland and nyc | 06:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:06 |
| cheesebob | that's a good chunk of space there | 06:07 |
| KotCzarny | well, and world at zooms 16-20 | 06:07 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:07 |
| * KotCzarny compiled xmms | 06:08 | |
| KotCzarny | 2mb when gtk1 libs compiled statically in ;) | 06:08 |
| cheesebob | so lets see here the hardware abstraction layers specification is probably in the hands of stmicroelectronics | 06:09 |
| pupnik | btw KotCzarny if you want to try an alternative to OSS for uae.. here's a brief explanation + examples of sdl_mixer | 06:09 |
| pupnik | http://docs.mandragor.org/files/Common_libs_documentation/SDL/SDL_Documentation_project_en/guideaudioexamples.html | 06:10 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: thx, i'll look at it later | 06:10 |
| cheesebob | and since their r&d center is in california they almost definitely have stored the plans at a document storage service | 06:10 |
| pupnik | bleh i was useless today | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:11 |
| cheesebob | there isn't enough room in any california office building to keep them | 06:11 |
| cheesebob | which probably means Iron Mountain document retention services | 06:11 |
| cheesebob | which is actualyl totally ninja able | 06:11 |
| cheesebob | http://www.st.com/stonline/address/mfg/carrollton.pdf | 06:12 |
| cheesebob | except their fab plant is in texas | 06:13 |
| cheesebob | lawl with enough persistence i bet i could find the specifications for real | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:14 |
| cheesebob | what's delawares state code? | 06:15 |
| cheesebob | mehnvm | 06:16 |
| cheesebob | i could but id get caught and butt raped | 06:18 |
| cheesebob | and i like mine the way it is | 06:18 |
| texel | cheesebob: what on earth are you talking about? O.o | 06:18 |
| cheesebob | texel, shhh | 06:18 |
| * texel is /sooo/ confused | 06:19 | |
| cheesebob | you shoul dbe | 06:19 |
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| shackan | st makes R&D in california ?? | 06:20 |
| shackan | I tought it was all in france | 06:20 |
| Tama^2 | stm had r&d all over the place | 06:20 |
| cheesebob | all over the world | 06:20 |
| shackan | cool | 06:20 |
| Tama^2 | I worked for them in Milan | 06:21 |
| shackan | I might intern at st in may | 06:21 |
| shackan | (unpaid, of course :( ) | 06:21 |
| cheesebob | steal the specs :D | 06:21 |
| Tama^2 | shackan: where, in france? | 06:21 |
| shackan | italy | 06:21 |
| Tama^2 | Agrate | 06:21 |
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| Tama^2 | lol | 06:21 |
| shackan | nope | 06:21 |
| shackan | Arzano | 06:21 |
| cheesebob | hmm | 06:21 |
| cheesebob | there headquarters in in switzerland | 06:22 |
| shackan | I know | 06:22 |
| cheesebob | vaginas are using swiss lawl to hide... | 06:22 |
| cheesebob | sorry shouldnt use that language | 06:22 |
| shackan | guess it's cheaper | 06:22 |
| Tama^2 | shackan: unpaid? | 06:22 |
| Tama^2 | arrgh | 06:22 |
| shackan | heh | 06:22 |
| Tama^2 | poor italian engineer? | 06:22 |
| shackan | indeed | 06:22 |
| Tama^2 | I understand you, I ran away from Italy ;) | 06:23 |
| shackan | I'm going to | 06:23 |
| shackan | I assume you're.. italian ? | 06:23 |
| cheesebob | http://www.st.com/stonline/address/mfg/photo/crolle.jpg | 06:23 |
| cheesebob | what the hell | 06:23 |
| cheesebob | that's awesome | 06:23 |
| Tama^2 | err, yes. was born there | 06:24 |
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| Tama^2 | some time ago xD | 06:24 |
| shackan | awesome | 06:24 |
| Tama^2 | I got my second passport in the mail today, lol | 06:24 |
| cheesebob | shackan, remember to ask them were they keep all their secret documents :P | 06:24 |
| Tama^2 | that building has to taken down, the view would be much better | 06:25 |
| shackan | cheesebob: well, I'll be working for free so it's not like they can fire me or something if I ask... :D | 06:25 |
| shackan | Tama^2: and you're in NEW ZEALAND ?? | 06:25 |
| Tama^2 | yes | 06:25 |
| shackan | doing what if I may ask? | 06:25 |
| cheesebob | find someone who would know who probably will tell you | 06:25 |
| Tama^2 | living ;) | 06:26 |
| shackan | Tama^2: heh, ok :P | 06:26 |
| cheesebob | find the guy who is getting kind of old but isn't a grump and let him prove he's still cool | 06:26 |
| cheesebob | :D | 06:26 |
| shackan | cheesebob: fuck that, I want the hawt segretaries | 06:26 |
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| cheesebob | secretaries dont know shit | 06:26 |
| cheesebob | never do | 06:26 |
| cheesebob | always think they do | 06:26 |
| shackan | anyway | 06:26 |
| shackan | Tama^2: why did you leave? | 06:27 |
| cheesebob | "mr wilsons fucking the secretary!", well duh she knows that one | 06:27 |
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| Tama^2 | came here on holiday and ended up staying for a while | 06:28 |
| shackan | wow | 06:29 |
| shackan | I wish I could do that | 06:29 |
| Tama^2 | :) | 06:32 |
| shackan | anyway, looks like it's 14 over there, which means almost 6am here | 06:34 |
| shackan | gotta go | 06:34 |
| shackan | 'night! | 06:35 |
| Tama^2 | it's 17.35 here now | 06:35 |
| Tama^2 | see ya | 06:35 |
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| pupnik | heh, these old atari 2600 games cost about $80 each in 2008 real dollars | 06:42 |
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| KotCzarny | considering inflation, it's cheap | 06:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:42 |
| pupnik | no $80 is a lot for a crappy little game | 06:44 |
| pupnik | they were 4096 byte games | 06:45 |
| Tama^2 | their value is in being old and crappy little games ;) | 06:47 |
| KotCzarny | anyone knows how to setup volume? | 06:48 |
| KotCzarny | ie. setting it from status bar applet doesn't get it to 'loud' | 06:49 |
| KotCzarny | so i presume there's another know somewhere | 06:49 |
| tank-man | in the app that is playing sound | 06:49 |
| pupnik | i find that internal media player is very quiet | 06:49 |
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| KotCzarny | Kernel flashed, reboot to make it active. | 06:54 |
| KotCzarny | let's try hispeed sd mode | 06:54 |
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| pupnik | how is speed with dd KotCzarny ? | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | hdparm shows 5.15mb/s | 07:13 |
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| KotCzarny | dd is consistent | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | 100mb in 20.37s | 07:15 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe i should get fast card too | 07:17 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 07:17 |
| Tama^2 | isn't max speed 60MB/s anyway? | 07:19 |
| Tama^2 | ouch | 07:19 |
| Tama^2 | 6 not 60 | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:19 |
| KotCzarny | i believe i have seen reports of ~15mb/s | 07:20 |
| Tama^2 | my class 6 SDHC did 6MB/s with the hi speed kernel | 07:20 |
| tank-man | thats class 6 sdhc, and i think thats the min rated speed | 07:20 |
| Tama^2 | mmm | 07:20 |
| Tama^2 | I will look up the tech info again, but AFAIK @50Mhz that is the maximum you can hope for | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | at 1bit, yes | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | at 4bit wide, x4 | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | but you may be right | 07:22 |
| KotCzarny | pity i sold off my sandisk ultra ii | 07:23 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | internal flash got faster too | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:37 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:07 |
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| * ccooke wonders if anyone has seen a pre-packaged bitlbee for os2008? | 11:24 | |
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| script | ccooke: bitlbee is a server-application ... consider it running somewhere else | 11:36 |
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| ccooke | script: Bitlbee is a very lightweight daemon - There are no barriers to running it directly on the tablet | 12:13 |
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| ccooke | (I have several places I can run bitlbee externally, yes, but I'm looking for the best way to manage a load of connections. Trying it on the device, directly, would have the least dependency on externals) | 12:17 |
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| aquatix | ccooke: isn't one ssh connection [with -c maybe even] to an irssi connected to bitlbee not lighter on connections as having bitlbee connect to [say] four IM networks? | 13:39 |
| ccooke | aquatix: But it relies on the remote box being up. | 13:40 |
| ccooke | It's more fragile. | 13:40 |
| ccooke | wheras bitlbee takes up about the same memory as that ssh connection. | 13:41 |
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| aquatix | yeah, but more traffic over your wifi | 13:43 |
| aquatix | or maybe gprs | 13:43 |
| aquatix | and why wouldn't that remote box be up? | 13:43 |
| aquatix | :) | 13:43 |
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| aquatix | [depends on whether it's yours, if you leave it on and such] | 13:43 |
| ccooke | no more traffic than if you were using the protocols *anyway* | 13:44 |
| * aquatix has a box running 24/7 | 13:44 | |
| aquatix | oh? | 13:44 |
| ccooke | os2008 already has IM support built-in | 13:44 |
| aquatix | i think that ssh [with -c even] takes less traffic than all those control packages from the IM networks | 13:44 |
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| aquatix | i know | 13:44 |
| aquatix | using it myself | 13:44 |
| aquatix | upgraded it even | 13:44 |
| ccooke | right. So I'm saying that [bitlbee] is comparable to [os2008's IM transports] | 13:44 |
| glass | aquatix: irssi over ssh takes quite a bit though | 13:45 |
| ccooke | in terms of network use. | 13:45 |
| glass | so many screen rewrites | 13:45 |
| aquatix | ccooke: ah, right | 13:45 |
| aquatix | but i was comparing it to irssi over ssh | 13:45 |
| ccooke | glass: which is why what I want is irssi, running inside a screen on the n8x0, talking to a local bitlbee. | 13:45 |
| aquatix | glass: myeah, that might be true indeed | 13:45 |
| aquatix | ccooke: sounds sane at itself | 13:45 |
| ccooke | With plugins for irssi that give it the same access to the LEDs and GUI as the built-in IM stuff | 13:46 |
| aquatix | was just thinking along ;) | 13:46 |
| aquatix | ccooke: hmmm :) | 13:46 |
| glass | aquatix: use irssi over ssh over gprs and it becomes obvious | 13:46 |
| aquatix | glass: i know | 13:46 |
| aquatix | i tried ;) | 13:46 |
| aquatix | but ssh over gprs is quite bad in general | 13:46 |
| aquatix | ccooke: you might even use an irssi on a remote box as proxy | 13:47 |
| ccooke | aquatix: I want to reduce the reliance on remote boxes | 13:47 |
| aquatix | and connect your irssi on n8x0 to that instance | 13:47 |
| aquatix | ah yeah, sorry | 13:47 |
| ccooke | some networks I use are blocked | 13:47 |
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| aquatix | yeah, but you only have to connect to that one box then | 13:47 |
| aquatix | and from that one you can use whatever irc or bitlbee-supported IM network you want | 13:48 |
| ccooke | (as it happens, I *do* have three or four 24/7 servers I can use, two of which allow IRC/IM in their T&Cs, but I don't want to assume that a) they're up or b) the network I'm on will allow port 22) | 13:48 |
| * aquatix should start using bitlbee too | 13:48 | |
| aquatix | well | 13:48 |
| aquatix | if that network doesn't allow port 22, why would it allow random IM ports? | 13:48 |
| aquatix | just playing devil's advocate :) | 13:48 |
| aquatix | you might even run sshd behind port 443 | 13:49 |
| johnx | I run it on a random high port :) | 13:49 |
| inz | Hrm, building bitlbee is the easy part | 13:49 |
| inz | But it requires inetd... | 13:49 |
| johnx | when I used comcast cable I had continuous traffic from people trying random passwords until I switched it... | 13:49 |
| ccooke | aquatix: I've been in places that allowed one IM network, but nothing else but 80/443. And unfortunately, I have valid secure certs on port 443 :-) | 13:49 |
| solmumaha | there used to be a patch to start it without inetd | 13:50 |
| ccooke | there are loads of ways to start a network daemon without inetd | 13:51 |
| aquatix | ccooke: `unfortunately' ;) | 13:51 |
| ccooke | aquatix: it's a fact of life. Live with it :-) | 13:51 |
| * aquatix wants a valid one too, not a self-generated bunch | 13:52 | |
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| rwhitby | there's nothing invalid about a well-managed self-signed certification authority. Just cause major browsers choose not to automatically trust it doesn't make it invalid. | 13:53 |
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| aquatix | rwhitby: indeed | 13:56 |
| ccooke | rwhitby: yes, but if it suddenly gets replaced with an ssh daemon, I get compalined at. That *would* be highly invalid! | 13:56 |
| aquatix | but it makes it a hassle if you want users to access those servers | 13:56 |
| ccooke | (or, when they caught me, I might be an invalid) | 13:56 |
| rwhitby | ccooke: agreed | 13:56 |
| aquatix | Fx 3 doesn't even show the page when it encounters an unknown authority | 13:56 |
| rwhitby | aquatix: depends whether your user base is closed or not | 13:56 |
| aquatix | but some large warning page | 13:56 |
| aquatix | rwhitby: true | 13:56 |
| aquatix | but mine are mainly open | 13:57 |
| aquatix | so then it's a problem ;) | 13:57 |
| rwhitby | true | 13:57 |
| * rwhitby still can't believe how CAs charge so much for doing nothing other than having a monopoly over browser root cert contents ... | 13:58 | |
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| ynezz | there's that free openCA | 13:59 |
| aquatix | rwhitby: they have to certify the requesters identity! | 13:59 |
| aquatix | *cough* | 13:59 |
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| rwhitby | aquatix: yes, and they have to charge you to make sure you haven't changed your identity each and every year ... | 14:00 |
| aquatix | indeed :/ | 14:00 |
| johnx | "prove you're still the same person by giving us some money!" | 14:01 |
| aquatix | maybe i should set up a CA too | 14:01 |
| * rwhitby runs three closed-community CAs | 14:01 | |
| aquatix | was more thinking about the pay-me-money kind ;) | 14:07 |
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| Spakman | I'm having a problem reading mails sent from my server/client (postfix/Mutt) in Modest. Anyone know where I can start to debug the problem? | 14:35 |
| aquatix | are they empty and are you using pgp/mime? | 14:35 |
| Spakman | yep | 14:35 |
| aquatix | i have the same issue | 14:35 |
| aquatix | i think there's a bug about it on the maemo bugzilla | 14:36 |
| aquatix | not sure how to debug though | 14:36 |
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| Spakman | aquatix: thanks a lot - turbo response to something I expected to be alone with! | 14:36 |
| Spakman | I'll check the bug trakcer | 14:37 |
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| Spakman | s/trakcer/tracker/ | 14:37 |
| infobot | Spakman meant: I'll check the bug tracker | 14:37 |
| * aquatix was already wondering ;) | 14:37 | |
| aquatix | Spakman: fyi, https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Communication&component=Modest&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emaila | 14:38 |
| aquatix | whoa | 14:38 |
| aquatix | that uri was longer than expected | 14:38 |
| Spakman | welcome to Bugzilla :) | 14:38 |
| aquatix | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2779 | 14:38 |
| aquatix | that's the bug | 14:38 |
| aquatix | please vote ;) | 14:39 |
| buddylee | speaking of bugs, I'm running into this https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2119 but on the n810. Where can I find the source for the camera app to try to debug it myself? | 14:40 |
| * aquatix guesses there isn't a public source available, but can be wrong | 14:40 | |
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| buddylee | pookie, might be time to bust out some strace | 14:41 |
| aquatix | Spakman: hm, even a duplicate at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3018 | 14:41 |
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| Spakman | aquatix: voted :) | 14:44 |
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| morbec | Hello all ! Yesterday I installed the PyMaemo on sb but I can't import abook module inside python2.5 ... what I need to do to use the python-abook? | 14:57 |
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| lmoura | morbec, did you install python2.5-abook? it's outside python2.5-runtime meta-package | 14:58 |
| morbec | E: Couldn't find package python2.5-abook | 15:00 |
| morbec | :( | 15:00 |
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| buddylee | aaah, brilliant! my camera app won't load because of an EACCES error opening /dev/video0 | 15:02 |
| buddylee | strace ftw | 15:02 |
| morbec | lmoura, E: Couldn't find package python2.5-abook | 15:04 |
| lmoura | morbec, I forgot to say, it's currently unavailable for chinook =\ | 15:04 |
| buddylee | can someone with an n810 grep out the group file for me and tell me what groups 'user' is in by default? | 15:04 |
| buddylee | i think my group associations are boned | 15:05 |
| lmoura | there were big changes in the headers during bora->chinook migration and I still have to adapt those changes into the bindings | 15:05 |
| jaska_ | Nokia-N810-51-3:~# id user | 15:05 |
| jaska_ | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) | 15:05 |
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| morbec | lmoura, ok ... is there a public svn ? | 15:05 |
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| jaska_ | funny.. id doesnt show groups | 15:06 |
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| X-Fade | buddylee: dialout,audio,video,users | 15:06 |
| jaska_ | dialout, audio, video, users | 15:06 |
| lmoura | morbec, for python2.5-abook? | 15:06 |
| buddylee | perfect, thx | 15:06 |
| morbec | lmoura, yes | 15:06 |
| lmoura | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=40 | 15:06 |
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| X-Fade | buddylee: Ehm not users, I grepped for user ;) | 15:06 |
| * jaska_ hits busybox with a herring | 15:06 | |
| buddylee | righto | 15:06 |
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| buddylee | w00t, that did it | 15:08 |
| buddylee | wonder how my /etc/gruop file got hosed | 15:08 |
| LoCusF | jaska_: id does have some options but they seem to be unknown lol | 15:08 |
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| littleHelp | Just wondering if anybody would be kind enough to take a couple minutes out of there time and make me a developer cert from symbian signed. the day i got my new phone is the day symbian signed changed. i didnt have enough time to make a new cert for my imei. | 15:19 |
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| fasonte | hi | 15:21 |
| johnx | littleHelp, just so you know, this is primarily a channel that has to do with the Nokia Internet Tablets which use Maemo/Linux, not Symbian. no harm in asking of course. :) | 15:21 |
| johnx | fasonte, hello :) | 15:21 |
| littleHelp | oo sorry thanks | 15:22 |
| johnx | no problem | 15:22 |
| fasonte | johnx: yes, I know | 15:22 |
| johnx | fasonte, that wasn't directed at you... | 15:23 |
| fasonte | one question: I can't use my account jabber.com and 12jabber.com with telepathy | 15:24 |
| fasonte | but only jabber.org | 15:24 |
| fasonte | There is any howto? | 15:25 |
| johnx | looks like someone else might have had the same problem: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12915&highlight=jabber.com | 15:26 |
| fasonte | johnx: thanks | 15:27 |
| johnx | also there's a bug for it on bugs.maemo.org | 15:27 |
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| fasonte | johnx: thanks again... so I need to wait ;-) | 15:29 |
| johnx | I suppose so, but I don't know much about jabber... | 15:29 |
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| johnx | wow! rotation in xomap is freaking awesome... | 15:34 |
| aquatix | ? | 15:34 |
| aquatix | how? | 15:34 |
| johnx | http://sse2.net/rotate/ :D | 15:35 |
| johnx | I guess I should take a screenshot | 15:35 |
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| aquatix | indeed! | 15:36 |
| * aquatix bookmarked | 15:36 | |
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| johnx | I really doubted that the apps would actually cope with 480x800 so well | 15:36 |
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| johnx | heh, though the panel layout kinda sucks | 15:38 |
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| * aquatix demands a screenshot | 15:38 | |
| Spakman | Anyone know of a nice way to let the user change the default application for a certain mime type? Without editing /usr/share/applications/defaults.list, that is. | 15:39 |
| johnx | hang on, finding a screenshot tool... | 15:39 |
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| aquatix | johnx: the system load applet | 15:39 |
| johnx | Spakman, look up "dbus switchboard" on itt | 15:39 |
| Spakman | johnx: on the case, thanks :) | 15:40 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:46 |
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| pupnik | dark colors on the tablets (all tfts?) are far too bright vs CRTs | 15:50 |
| pupnik | :( | 15:50 |
| johnx | dunno, I've had some pretty craptastic CRTs... | 15:51 |
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| johnx | aquatix, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/screenie-2.png | 15:52 |
| johnx | what other screenshots do you want to see? | 15:52 |
| shackan | johnx: wow, can xrandr be downloaded anywhere? | 15:53 |
| johnx | scroll back in the log by about 15 minutes :) | 15:54 |
| shackan | yay | 15:54 |
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| aquatix | johnx: hah, cool | 15:56 |
| aquatix | nah, this is ok | 15:56 |
| aquatix | things are a tad out of proportion this way ;) | 15:56 |
| johnx | yeah, the browser looks great full screen | 15:57 |
| aquatix | full screen is nice indeed :) | 15:57 |
| aquatix | ooh, editing text fullscreen that way | 15:58 |
| aquatix | hm, nah, landscape is better with that | 15:58 |
| johnx | the keyboard is badly screwed up... | 15:58 |
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| johnx | the "minimize keyboard button" is off the screen to the right... | 15:58 |
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| johnx | I don't know if it's my imagination, but scrolling definitely feels slower in microb... | 15:59 |
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| johnx | it really, really needs to have zoom -/+ remapped to page up/down | 16:00 |
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| aquatix | doing things in rotated mode generally is slower | 16:01 |
| aquatix | lcd processor isn't optimised that way and such | 16:02 |
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| aquatix | same with my palm pda | 16:02 |
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| jaska_ | and subpixel rendering (if any) wont work | 16:03 |
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| johnx | at least it's actually *done* on the LCD controller in this case. I think it's done in software on the Cxx00 zaurus... | 16:05 |
| johnx | hmm...just got a random reboot on my N800 | 16:06 |
| hrw | johnx: cxx00 has it is software | 16:06 |
| hrw | johnx: c7x0 has rotation and scaling in hardware | 16:06 |
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| johnx | aaah...sometimes I think I should have gone with a 760 instead of a 1000... | 16:06 |
| hrw | 760 is best for video (from zaurus line) | 16:07 |
| johnx | yeah, and slimmer | 16:07 |
| hrw | where 760 means 760 and 860 (which is 760 in other color case) | 16:07 |
| johnx | yup. ah, now that there's a new webkit-gtk I should submit my recipe for the latest midori | 16:07 |
| johnx | it's actually quite nice on my akita | 16:08 |
| hrw | 0.17 midori? | 16:08 |
| johnx | yes | 16:08 |
| hrw | it is in OE already | 16:08 |
| johnx | I actually built svn though | 16:08 |
| johnx | ah | 16:08 |
| johnx | well, nevermind then | 16:09 |
| johnx | guess I missed that in the logs O_o | 16:09 |
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| DaniloCesar | Is Xrandr ported to maemo? | 16:22 |
| johnx | errr...that depends on what you mean by that | 16:22 |
| johnx | you can rotate the display, but not all apps cope well with 480x800 | 16:23 |
| johnx | screenshot here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/screenie-2.png | 16:23 |
| DaniloCesar | johnx, I watched a video about canolla runing with xrandr..... | 16:24 |
| johnx | I'll test it here if you want, but I have no reason to doubt them | 16:24 |
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| johnx | yeah, looks nice | 16:25 |
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| johnx | scrolling seems a little slower, but that could be my imagination | 16:25 |
| DaniloCesar | johnx, in fullscreen apps, it seems to be very usefull... I was thinking about how to make a rotate-screen feature in my app, but now it will be easy! | 16:25 |
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| johnx | well, you still need to flash a custom kernel | 16:26 |
| johnx | some users might not be up to that | 16:26 |
| DaniloCesar | custom kernel?! hummmm....... | 16:26 |
| johnx | yeah, the reason this happened so quickly is that all the hard part is done on the LCD controller | 16:26 |
| DaniloCesar | It will be native some day? | 16:27 |
| johnx | no idea | 16:27 |
| johnx | Nokia is pretty silent about future software releases | 16:27 |
| DaniloCesar | any INdT guy here? | 16:27 |
| lopz | hi | 16:28 |
| trickie | ask vivijim | 16:28 |
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| DaniloCesar | vivijim, | 16:29 |
| solmumaha | anyone want to test fuse on os2008? i have compiled fuse, read/write ntfs-3g driver, sshfs and avfs | 16:30 |
| johnx | nice, I'd love to try it | 16:31 |
| solmumaha | ntfs could use some testing as it's a bit of hack | 16:31 |
| johnx | that's the one I can't really test, sorry :/ | 16:31 |
| johnx | is it in .debs or just a .tgz? | 16:31 |
| pupnik | in combination with usb host mode, then you could write to ntfs usb sticks ? | 16:31 |
| solmumaha | pupnik: yes, it automounts ntfs drives | 16:32 |
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| vivijim | DaniloCesar: It is possible use the xrandr to rotate screen on Maemo... I can send you my kernel and Xomap.deb but there is a bug when switching on screen (after automatically switch off) | 16:32 |
| solmumaha | sshfs and avfs seem to work fine and avfs is very nice, you can cd into compressed archives and run stuff inside them without extracting | 16:33 |
| kaatis | solmumaha, cool. there's experimental fuse, sshfs and sbrsh with sshfs support in maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org repository. http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/target/ | 16:33 |
| solmumaha | you can ever run stuff from your memory cards if they are zipped | 16:33 |
| vivijim | DaniloCesar: when I have some free time I will try to fix it | 16:33 |
| DaniloCesar | vivijim, This feature'll be in next OS releases? | 16:33 |
| solmumaha | i only saw fuse for 2006 | 16:33 |
| vivijim | and then I'll publish the kernel and Xomap deb for chinook | 16:33 |
| kaatis | solmumaha, can you give me a pointer? | 16:34 |
| DaniloCesar | i mean, will be default... | 16:34 |
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| solmumaha | pm me for packages | 16:34 |
| vivijim | DaniloCesar: I have no idea... The LCD controler patch is already applied on linux-omap main tree but I don't know if Daniel Stone has already applied my patch to Xomap... | 16:35 |
| johnx | do you think better rotation support will be part of hildon/maemo at some point? | 16:36 |
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| DaniloCesar | vivijim, I was looking for geometrics tricks to rotate pygame screen when I found your post.... | 16:40 |
| DaniloCesar | vivijim, Your work with XrandR seems to be very promissive for maemo devices.... | 16:40 |
| pupnik | does the LCD controller refresh at a fixed hz? if so is it 51hz, 60hz? | 16:42 |
| vivijim | DaniloCesar: there are another ways to rotate but I believe this is the best way because it is on hardware... The LCD controller does the rotation itself | 16:42 |
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| b0unc3 | guys is there any way to disable the internal gps on n810 ? | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | with a hammer? | 17:13 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 17:13 |
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| b0unc3 | :( | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | b0unc3: Don't use any applications that use gps? | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | Or perhaps kill gpsd? | 17:14 |
| disq | b0unc3: gps location setting in control panel. | 17:14 |
| b0unc3 | disq: perfect... thank you | 17:15 |
| b0unc3 | uhm... but if I disable the internal gsp... I can't use any gps (bt) ? | 17:16 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, now i have a n00b question, is there any shortcut to lock the device? | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | (os2008) | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | nvm, found it | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:21 |
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| johnx | gah...got sucked into the vgba emulator | 17:22 |
| johnx | need to sleep... | 17:22 |
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| achadwick | b0unc3: you should be able to use a bluetooth GPS device with the n810. I find the internal one's fine for my use though... despite taking forever to lock. | 17:24 |
| achadwick | Talking of n810s: recommendations on cheap bt-enabled data-capable companion phones, anyone (in/near the UK, that is)? | 17:26 |
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| Tobotras | Nokia 6021 (no idea about UK, that is :) | 17:27 |
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| Robot101 | achadwick: 6151 is cheap and cheerful, very cheap on 3 PAYG (they do £5/mo unlimited internet) | 17:32 |
| Robot101 | achadwick: 6120 if you want HSDPA | 17:32 |
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| n800music | hi | 17:39 |
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| n800music | is there a way to pre-download maps for maemo mapper for a few states? | 17:40 |
| n800music | on mmc | 17:40 |
| achadwick | n800music: Menu > Maps > Manage Maps... | 17:42 |
| liri | I think it's called maemo-mapper | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | n800music: yes, zoom out and then you can select a menu option for "download current view at zoom levels ..., ... and ..." | 17:42 |
| n800music | sweet | 17:43 |
| achadwick | If you have a route in mind, enter that and you can then tell it to download tiles near the green line. | 17:43 |
| liri | jaffa do you know if there's any support for the freemap.co.il web maps? | 17:43 |
| n800music | how much data do you think it'd be fir like a few stares at zoom level 4? | 17:45 |
| n800music | probably a dumb question, nm | 17:45 |
| n800music | i'll try it | 17:45 |
| liri | that freemap.co.il project is based on roadmap | 17:47 |
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| Jaffa | liri: no idea, I'm afraid | 17:47 |
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| pupnik | Mamona might be interesting when it hits 0.2 | 17:48 |
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| pupnik | http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/wiki/ReleaseNotes0.1 | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | I've been looking at Mamona too. From a user point, I quite like the rotate function | 17:51 |
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| n800music | is it possible to use 8 Gb cards on n800? | 18:01 |
| n800music | found some contradictory info | 18:02 |
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| fysa | I need to fill a DBA position in Bethesda, MD. | 18:04 |
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| aquatix | n800music: i think 8GB SDHC cards should just work | 18:16 |
| aquatix | but i haven't tried so myself yet | 18:16 |
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| oilinki | I'm using 8GB and it's working fine | 18:35 |
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| * dhd highly recommends using cachegrind to simulate the OMAP's memory hierarchy | 18:48 | |
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| leo2007 | can emacs run in n8x0? | 18:51 |
| Navi | Yeah, there was a build posted on the forum | 18:51 |
| Navi | ITT forum | 18:52 |
| pupnik | also planetmaemo | 18:53 |
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| n800music | oilinki, what make is it? | 19:02 |
| n800music | the card | 19:02 |
| n800music | they get exoensive at that size, just wanna be sure | 19:02 |
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| cyberholic | Hi everyone.... it's 6 PM here so... gooood evening ;) | 19:06 |
| s_tec | Aside from the one-page setup guide, are there any docs for esbox? I'm trying to figure out how to do remote debugging on the device. | 19:06 |
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| cyberholic | all: I have added a new category to my new site mojocafe.de - like some you of you wished, i added WEBCAMS to it, so that you can show webcams on your Device. At the moment there are just a handfull of them, anyone who would like to see a special cam added? | 19:07 |
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| oilinki | n800music: sorry, I can not remember. some generic card. just bought it from a small shop. | 19:09 |
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| oilinki | n800music: found the device. the card is made by Kingston | 19:10 |
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| cyberholic | hey, anyone of you have a favourite webcam link? | 19:15 |
| leo2007 | n800music: i can find emacs in planetmaemo? | 19:16 |
| leo2007 | s/can/cannot/ | 19:16 |
| infobot | leo2007 meant: n800music: i cannot find emacs in planetmaemo? | 19:16 |
| Navi | leo2007, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16189&highlight=emacs | 19:17 |
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| cyberholic | Hi Mousey, do you have a favorite webcamlink? | 19:19 |
| Mousey | what are you a spambot? | 19:20 |
| cyberholic | *lol* no... a few maemo users asked me to add a webcam option to my new n800n/810 site and now i am seeking for links to add to it. | 19:20 |
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| * Navi bets he is | 19:20 | |
| Navi | a human bot | 19:21 |
| Mousey | oh. sorry man. i'm no help then. internet webcams are all pr0n | 19:21 |
| cyberholic | *lol* ..... either ways they are: if not pr0n then voyeuristic :) .... i am running a san francisco webcam on my device now for about 60 minutes and have seen how the city "wakens up" :) | 19:22 |
| cyberholic | using my n800 as a simple "webcam viewer" raly is a bit overexegerated - or how that word is spelled - sorry for me bad anglish ;) | 19:23 |
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| n800music | thank you | 19:34 |
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| Navi | is it just me, or does anyone else get excessive tearing when using canola? | 19:37 |
| cyberholic | What do you mean with tearing? | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | judging from old threads on the mailing list, it's not just you | 19:38 |
| Navi | mmk | 19:38 |
| Navi | cyberholic, screen tearing | 19:38 |
| kenne | Navi, it is a hardware problem | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | cyberholic: animation looking bad because half of the screen shows an old frame and the other half a new one | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | because screen refresh happens in the middle of drawing | 19:38 |
| kenne | Navi, N770 doesn't have that problem | 19:38 |
| Navi | mmk | 19:39 |
| cyberholic | Navi: ah ok, that is exactly the same that happens to some of the mojocafe animations. I think it is a hardware problem.... | 19:39 |
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| Navi | tearing on a mobile device makes me sad | 19:39 |
| cyberholic | sad like... tearing eyes? | 19:39 |
| cyberholic | ;) | 19:39 |
| Navi | oh, punny | 19:39 |
| MangoFusion | how long does it take to change a track on canola? for me, there is typically a 0.5 ~ 1 second delay | 19:40 |
| MangoFusion | don't notice much screen tearing though | 19:40 |
| Navi | I only use Canola for music much | 19:40 |
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| Navi | s/only/don't/ | 19:40 |
| infobot | Navi meant: I don't use Canola for music much | 19:40 |
| kenne | MangoFusion, we did all we could do in order to minimize the effect of tearing in Canola | 19:40 |
| leo2007 | I am asking a friend to buy a n810 for me. What's the memory and storage size for a standard n810? | 19:41 |
| cyberholic | kenne: are you in the canola dev team? | 19:41 |
| Navi | leo2007, come again? | 19:42 |
| kenne | cyberholic, I am | 19:42 |
| Navi | it has 2GB flash built-in and 128MB RAM, if that's what you're looking for | 19:42 |
| cyberholic | kenne: i am asking because i was thinking about adapting the canola menu-working to the mojocafe device GUI. Would that be ok? | 19:42 |
| Navi | kenne, <bother> any ETA for the youtube plugin and plugin docs? </bother> | 19:43 |
| jordi | hey, any nokia insider who can clue me on who to contact if I'm having problems with my n810 discount code? | 19:43 |
| jordi | I'm getting "coupon.maxusesexceeded" | 19:43 |
| kenne | cyberholic, you better talk to our manager :-) There is a forum on www.internettablettalk.com, he always responds | 19:43 |
| leo2007 | Navi: I guess program will be installed in the flash, right? | 19:43 |
| cyberholic | ok, thanks a lot. | 19:44 |
| Navi | leo2007, correct | 19:44 |
| kenne | Navi, youtube is being released very soon | 19:44 |
| leo2007 | Navi: that's perfect coz emacs takes up a lot of space | 19:44 |
| kenne | Navi, the code will be free and hopefully well documented :-) | 19:44 |
| Navi | woo | 19:44 |
| Navi | last.fm as well? | 19:44 |
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| cyberholic | vagalume is the #1 last.fm tool.... it rooooocks | 19:45 |
| kenne | I think we launce youtube first and look if there are any problems with our plugin system | 19:45 |
| Navi | mmk | 19:45 |
| Navi | cyberholic, yeah, I use vagalume | 19:45 |
| Navi | but it lacks the shininess I like to show off to friends and random people | 19:46 |
| kenne | :) | 19:46 |
| cyberholic | navi: well, the new design looks way greater then the one before (with the blue gui). But i think so too .... you could in terms of design make more out of it. | 19:47 |
| * Navi shrugs | 19:48 | |
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| Navi | kenne, what about theming? | 19:50 |
| Navi | I mean, custom theming | 19:50 |
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| cyberholic | just a quick question: does anyone of you use his/her device as RSS reader? | 19:51 |
| kenne | Navi, well, we will have news on that soon :-) | 19:51 |
| Navi | woo | 19:51 |
| Navi | cyberholic, I do | 19:51 |
| kenne | Navi, and as you might have heard we have some new themes in the works | 19:51 |
| Navi | I stopped running a desktop rss reader | 19:51 |
| Navi | on my desktop | 19:51 |
| cyberholic | Navi, i am asking because i am thinking about adding a rss category to the Mojocafe | 19:51 |
| kenne | Navi, we might set up a server where you can give it a tarball of modified images and it will then generate a theme for you | 19:52 |
| cyberholic | kenne: will there ever be an option to make own themes for canola? | 19:52 |
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| kenne | cyberholic, yes, actually you can do it today | 19:52 |
| kenne | if you install the EFL stack | 19:52 |
| lcdd | the bundled rss reader chokes on gzip-compressed feeds | 19:52 |
| kenne | there is a decompiler edje_cc | 19:52 |
| kenne | and decompile, modify and compile again | 19:52 |
| cyberholic | the problem is that i am not very into *nix, maemo programming. i am more a designer with some php,sql knowledge. | 19:52 |
| kenne | s/edje_cc/edje_decc/s | 19:52 |
| Navi | oh, cool | 19:52 |
| Navi | 'cuz I have the latest cvs EFL | 19:53 |
| kenne | :) | 19:53 |
| * Navi runs E17 on his desktop | 19:53 | |
| kenne | so what are you waiting for :-D | 19:53 |
| Navi | Waiting for spring break | 19:53 |
| cyberholic | i am just starting a rss reader as mojocafe mojo aka applet so that feeds will cycle fullscreen.... | 19:53 |
| Navi | cyberholic, mojocafe doesn't load for me, btw | 19:54 |
| cyberholic | navi: have flashblock active? | 19:54 |
| Navi | I have flash disabled | 19:54 |
| cyberholic | thats the problem :) | 19:54 |
| Navi | :P | 19:54 |
| cyberholic | 8o | 19:54 |
| Navi | kenne, just one more question though, why isn't Canola open? | 19:55 |
| kenne | that is a manager decision, and I do not really know the reason, but it is probably business related | 19:55 |
| Navi | :( | 19:56 |
| cyberholic | May Harry Potter and Rambo together can open it!? | 19:56 |
| MoRpHeUz | cyberholic: (regarding themes) so, you'll like a web tool we are developing to help generating new themes | 19:56 |
| kenne | Navi, us (the developers) have tried to make it open and actually some of the backedn is | 19:56 |
| cyberholic | morpheuz: rock on! and reeeespect! Sounds very cool. | 19:57 |
| Navi | That's cool | 19:57 |
| kenne | Navi, like our media scanner, the whole EFL stack (our 16 bit engine etc, python bindings), the canola daemon etc | 19:57 |
| kenne | Navi, we are trying to make up for that with our plugin system | 19:57 |
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| Navi | Yeah, I've been looking forward to the plugin system since I've heard about it | 19:58 |
| kenne | cyberholic, efleury is the web theme tool coder :-) | 19:58 |
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| kenne | or at least that guy is called fleury so I hope it is the same :-) | 19:59 |
| efleury | kenne: haha that's me | 19:59 |
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| kenne | efleury, what is with the e? | 20:00 |
| kenne | eduardo doh | 20:00 |
| efleury | kenne: eduardo :) and "fleury" is already registered by someone else | 20:00 |
| kenne | forgot you have a first name | 20:00 |
| efleury | lol | 20:00 |
| kenne | stupid fake dane | 20:00 |
| kenne | :P | 20:00 |
| efleury | :-P | 20:00 |
| Navi | XD | 20:00 |
| kenne | how that my name has become kenneth da silva, I will name you Erik Fleury | 20:01 |
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| MoRpHeUz | kenne: your brazilian name is "kenneth josé" and not "kenneth da silva" | 20:02 |
| MoRpHeUz | =) | 20:02 |
| kenne | jose da silva! | 20:02 |
| MoRpHeUz | ok, we can work it out =P | 20:02 |
| efleury | haha erik? like in the lost vikings? | 20:02 |
| efleury | kenne: ^ | 20:03 |
| kenne | yes! | 20:03 |
| efleury | the jumper viking | 20:03 |
| efleury | :) | 20:03 |
| cyberholic | aaaaaaaaaah.... videocenter made my device just crash.... jesus..... what the hack????? *shiver* | 20:03 |
| kenne | or let me call you Einar (the lonely walker :P) | 20:03 |
| efleury | I like Erik better :) | 20:03 |
| kenne | that is the name of my granddad | 20:03 |
| efleury | oh | 20:03 |
| efleury | soh I can be called Einar in attention to your granddad | 20:04 |
| kenne | yes | 20:04 |
| pupnik | perhaps the canola devs hope/hoped to sell their software to buy food n stuff | 20:05 |
| Navi | Management needs teh moolah | 20:05 |
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| Navi | Pimlico is really polished | 20:05 |
| MoRpHeUz | pupnik: hhmm...maybe... | 20:05 |
| pupnik | i just want to see linux on handhelds | 20:05 |
| Navi | I should subscribe to their mailing lists | 20:06 |
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| Navi | and complain | 20:06 |
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| pupnik | write to microsoft and complain, or adobe etc | 20:06 |
| pupnik | "hey, where's the source?!??oneon" | 20:06 |
| Navi | :D | 20:07 |
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| MoRpHeUz | pupnik: or maybe they do a lot of free software development, and also develop some other stuff to buy their "food and stuff" | 20:07 |
| pupnik | :0 | 20:08 |
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| pupnik | greets MoRpHeUz :) congrats on rotated mode work | 20:09 |
| MoRpHeUz | pupnik: =D thanks =) | 20:09 |
| leo2007 | Navi: do you run Emacs? | 20:09 |
| Navi | Nah, vim | 20:09 |
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| Dazgard | hi | 20:09 |
| Dazgard | im developing a remote controler for ardour | 20:09 |
| Dazgard | it will be based on efl + python + osc | 20:10 |
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| Navi | Cool. | 20:10 |
| MoRpHeUz | pupnik: do you anyting about s60's emulators ? | 20:10 |
| pupnik | no haven't looked | 20:10 |
| Dazgard | what you guys are using to develop such app, | 20:10 |
| Dazgard | the canola guys for example ? | 20:11 |
| Navi | come again? | 20:11 |
| MoRpHeUz | =/ | 20:11 |
| Navi | "using to develop" is a really broad term. | 20:11 |
| MoRpHeUz | anybody here coming to bossa conference ? | 20:11 |
| Navi | s/term/phrase/ | 20:11 |
| infobot | Navi meant: "using to develop" is a really broad phrase. | 20:11 |
| kenne | we just use a default linux desktop :) | 20:11 |
| pupnik | a compUt3r! | 20:11 |
| kenne | it all runs on the desktop | 20:11 |
| Dazgard | ok, so i'll have to install efl dev tools, that is | 20:12 |
| Navi | heh | 20:12 |
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| leo2007 | Can someone give me some idea on the startup time of Emacs in n8x0? | 20:12 |
| Dazgard | i thought there were some kind of appliance for maemo + efl | 20:13 |
| MoRpHeUz | Dazgard: to develop you just need a regular "IBM/PC" as cmarcelo used to say, python and efl =) | 20:13 |
| MoRpHeUz | (regarding canola plugins) | 20:14 |
| Dazgard | that's cool | 20:14 |
| Dazgard | :) | 20:14 |
| MoRpHeUz | and for sure the docs and sources that we are preparing for you "out there" hehe | 20:14 |
| kenne | :) | 20:14 |
| Dazgard | :D | 20:14 |
| MoRpHeUz | (they are not really _needed_, but may help a little bit) | 20:14 |
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| kenne | MoRpHeUz, you can reproduce? try my new python-downloadmanager if so.. | 20:17 |
| MoRpHeUz | kenne: I used the last packages from etrunko's rep. | 20:18 |
| MoRpHeUz | on my device I can reproduce it everytime | 20:18 |
| kenne | ok | 20:18 |
| kenne | MoRpHeUz, I will ask him to make a new package | 20:18 |
| MoRpHeUz | ok | 20:19 |
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| cyberholic | Ok guys.... i will leave now and try to develop the rss feed showers for the mojocafe... see ya later... hugs and greetings,carlos | 20:21 |
| Navi | bye | 20:22 |
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| KotCzarny | re | 20:26 |
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| pupnik | The Atari 2600 continued to sell in the USA and Europe until 1990, -- a 13 year run ... | 20:31 |
| pupnik | The development of the Atari 2600 had cost about US$100 million. (!) | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | simple pleasures | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:32 |
| kenne | Navi, cyberholic you guys know that there is a #canola channel here :) feel free to join | 20:33 |
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| pupnik | i do like the colors on the 770 screen better in darkened rooms | 20:43 |
| Navi | same | 20:43 |
| pupnik | http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=173&a=5479 BREAKING NEWS: Admiral fallon who threatened to resign if an attack were committed on Iran. Has resigned. | 20:47 |
| pupnik | <- afk beer | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 20:49 |
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| Navi | pupnik, yeah, I've read that | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | bad news | 20:51 |
| Navi | the Pentagon denies the policy shift, though | 20:52 |
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| KotCzarny | we will see | 20:52 |
| KotCzarny | but denying isn't any proof in politics | 20:52 |
| KotCzarny | only straight facts | 20:52 |
| pupnik | hmm | 20:52 |
| am_ | hi all | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | And oil, which just bumped up against $110 a barrel, an all-time record, will double in price overnight, as the whole Persian Gulf becomes a war zone. | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 20:54 |
| am_ | does hal not work with batter status? | 20:54 |
| am_ | s/batter/battery | 20:54 |
| Brains | Er, that breaking news isn't even all that breaking.. He resigned yesterday. | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | was it in the tv? | 20:55 |
| Navi | Dunno, I got it yesterday through /. | 20:56 |
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| Tama^2 | Hello | 22:09 |
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| cyberholic | Good evening everyone.... i am updating the Mojocafe and have an english grammer question, can i ask it!? | 22:17 |
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| cyberholic | Is a phrase like "Already x people out their spicing up their devices with some of our Mojos" a correct english one? | 22:18 |
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| qwerty12_N800 | there not their :) (actually not sure myself but i know for sure it | 22:20 |
| Tama^2 | you mean: out there are spicing ... | 22:20 |
| Tama^2 | :) | 22:20 |
| qwerty12_N800 | isnt their | 22:21 |
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| cyberholic | But i mean.... the devices from people.... isnt it their? | 22:22 |
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| Tama^2 | "Already x people out their spicing up their devices with some of our Mojos" | 22:22 |
| Tama^2 | the first their is probably not what you want | 22:22 |
| Tama^2 | the second is fine | 22:23 |
| cyberholic | oh... correct! thanks a lot! | 22:23 |
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| Brains | I could have sworn that youtube had worked for me in the past but now I'm getting the old flash verion error... | 22:40 |
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| pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/940213 gaze upon the horror that is OPL2 synthesizer emulation - flag to lardman|gone, spirytusick, jott, KotCzarny, inz | 22:43 |
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| solmumaha | Brains: enable flash from browsers magnifying glass icon | 22:45 |
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| spirytusick | pupnik: thanks | 22:45 |
| spirytusick | looks compilcated... | 22:46 |
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| pupnik | that's the sound blaster music synth taking up 22% of cpu time | 22:47 |
| spirytusick | holly, no wonder universe was quite slow | 22:47 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: do you know anything about dsp programming under maemo ? perhaps it can be used to off load the cpu ? | 22:47 |
| spirytusick | but that would probably mean a full rewrite :( | 22:48 |
| pupnik | yes i am praying for that | 22:48 |
| pupnik | no not full rewrite | 22:48 |
| pupnik | just some real work | 22:48 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: glad you are still tinkering the dosbox | 22:48 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: I've tried a few games today, but universe and darkseed seem a little too demanding | 22:49 |
| pupnik | without sound you should be fine with 286 class games | 22:49 |
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| pupnik | i.e. if the game came out before 1990 (doesn't have 256 color vga support) | 22:50 |
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| solmumaha | long way to daggerfall :( | 22:50 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: yep, but no sound suxx in adventure games... I am left with scummvm | 22:50 |
| spirytusick | which works rather well | 22:51 |
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| pupnik | that goddamn OPL2 synth is killing performance for freesci as well | 22:51 |
| spirytusick | but it does not have to emulate a lot of hardware :) | 22:51 |
| pupnik | it also does the damn opl2 | 22:51 |
| pupnik | i need to check how he's using it | 22:51 |
| spirytusick | yep but it does not have tu emu a cpu and other bits | 22:51 |
| pupnik | right | 22:52 |
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| spirytusick | i suppose it is an interpretter for game data, no real emulation aside from the sound | 22:52 |
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| pupnik | right | 22:52 |
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| spirytusick | btw, maemo and symbian versions have disabled the mt-32 emulation, | 22:53 |
| spirytusick | probably to cpu intensive | 22:53 |
| spirytusick | certainly | 22:53 |
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| disq | good, got my 8gb microsd | 23:00 |
| disq | now all i need is a micro to mini converter | 23:00 |
| Paavo | i'm continually amazed by multi-gigabyte microsd cards | 23:01 |
| disq | yeah me too :) | 23:01 |
| Paavo | there's just something so scifi about them | 23:01 |
| disq | darn thing smaller than my nail | 23:02 |
| Paavo | my first HDD was 210 MB... | 23:02 |
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| spirytusick | Paavo: easy to carry, easy to swallow, will replace prozac eventualy | 23:04 |
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| fysa | my first was 174848 bytes. ;) | 23:06 |
| Paavo | things start get really interesting if the non-volatile magnetic RAM gets practical and widely deployed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mram | 23:07 |
| henrique | is it possible to work with FAM in maemo? if not, is there some notification gadget for files modification? | 23:07 |
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| Paavo | back to the good old days of RAM for both heap and mass storage | 23:08 |
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| spirytusick | my first hdd was 20mb, good a590 for amiga.. old rmfl drive.. and at that time it was amazig | 23:08 |
| spirytusick | amazing | 23:08 |
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| spirytusick | I carry more in my IT everyday that my first serious pc had... 6.4gb | 23:08 |
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| schu` | anyone here install omniorb onto an n800? | 23:09 |
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| Brains | solmumaha: It was already turned on... | 23:11 |
| f_mohr | how do i repartition the internal card in my n810? fdisk seems not to be available (i want to fix that oversized partition problem - https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2940) | 23:12 |
| henrique | it should be a good thing to add a "timestamp" field for rtcom-recent-calls file, btw | 23:13 |
| Paavo | I wonder what changes will happen in application space when MRAM is the only memory technology on a device? | 23:13 |
| f_mohr | fdisk and gpartedit over usb seem not to find a partition table at all | 23:13 |
| fysa | keep every application resident at all times ;) | 23:13 |
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| Paavo | If you want to be sloppy you no longer have to write a "save" routine. | 23:14 |
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| fysa | emulate all UAE games simultaneously | 23:14 |
| Paavo | You start an application once when you install it and it just keeps all documents in RAM. | 23:14 |
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| Paavo | In case backups are needed, just dump a copy of the application's memory image to a backup area. | 23:15 |
| Brains | Hmmm... Browser restart fixed it. | 23:15 |
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| Paavo | Could you replace the filesystem with interoperating persistent components? | 23:16 |
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