| jott | hehe there should be some automated testing framework that optimizes all the -Ox flags for each single file :P | 00:00 |
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| * jott wished os2008 was build with gcc 4.x | 00:01 | |
| EvilGuru | How can one browse a bluetooth device with the N810? | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | maybe 2009 will be? | 00:02 |
| EvilGuru | -O3 will probably be slower, the loop unrolling really does eat up the CPU cache | 00:02 |
| spirytusick | jott: even better llvm :) | 00:02 |
| jott | KotCzarny: hehe "never touch a running system" :p | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:02 |
| jott | yeah or llvm | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | then why there was 2007 ? | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:02 |
| jott | but not gcc 3.4.4 with a huge load of compiler bgs | 00:02 |
| jott | bugs | 00:02 |
| spirytusick | EvilGuru: that's where the -Os might help, on cache size anyway | 00:03 |
| * KotCzarny uses -Os -s -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp | 00:03 | |
| * spirytusick uses only pipe.. :) | 00:04 | |
| EvilGuru | spirytusick: Not even -O1 or O2 | 00:04 |
| spirytusick | I mean smoking :) | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | smoking kills | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:05 |
| spirytusick | and I usually omit all frame painters ... rude guys...usualy :) | 00:05 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: it's a price for a pleasure :) | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | naaah | 00:05 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: nothing is free :) | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:05 |
| pupnik | non-smokers are scared of terrorists | 00:06 |
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| KotCzarny | not really | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | i'm not | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:06 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: besides, the only thing I know for sure in my life is that I am going to die one day ... | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | don't be so sure ;) | 00:06 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: My name is not lenin :) | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | you don't have any experience in that matter ;) | 00:07 |
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| spirytusick | KotCzarny: frankly I do not know anyone with enough experience in that field :) | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | To be or not to be. | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | -- Shakespeare | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | To do is to be. | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | -- Nietzsche | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | To be is to do. | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | -- Sartre | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | Do be do be do. | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | -- Sinatra | 00:07 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:07 |
| spirytusick | any experienced diers on thich chan ? :) | 00:07 |
| johnx | nope, and I intend not to learn anything about it. I think I'll try and avoid it all together if I can | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | :O ga died | 00:09 |
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| pupnik | pingus has a lisp parser... | 00:09 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:10 |
| lcuk | :O ga returned from the dead | 00:10 |
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| spirytusick | :) | 00:10 |
| * jott pokes pupnik with a lambda expression | 00:10 | |
| * GeneralAntilles eats lcuk's brains. | 00:11 | |
| lcuk | light lunch then? | 00:11 |
| jott | GeneralAntilles is on diet :P | 00:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta keep my figure. | 00:11 |
| * Tama^2 whatches as the frame is pushed and then quickly popped from the stack when the labda expression hits | 00:11 | |
| * lcuk actually has a spot on the back of head and is considering installing a goo tap | 00:12 | |
| spirytusick | GeneralAntilles: $FIGURE+1 ? :) | 00:12 |
| pupnik | trepanning | 00:12 |
| * lcuk is afraid his brain will fall out tho :S | 00:12 | |
| lcuk | lol almost pup | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | lobotomy | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | ftw! | 00:13 |
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| pupnik | some english guy had his girlfriend drill a hole in his skull. said it enlightened him. They made a hard-to-find movie "Heartbeat in the brain" | 00:13 |
| * lcuk has seen it or similar | 00:13 | |
| KotCzarny | was it a romantic comedy style? | 00:14 |
| * GeneralAntilles learned about trepanning from the Gold Compass (book). | 00:14 | |
| KotCzarny | or more like frankenstein? | 00:14 |
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| KotCzarny | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sbox/e-uae-0.8.29-CVS' | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | real 10m29.146s | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | not bad | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:14 |
| spirytusick | Trepanning can be fun... | 00:14 |
| lcuk | i find it boring | 00:14 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Har | 00:14 |
| spirytusick | lcuk: thats because you are only using the same corpse every time :) | 00:15 |
| jott | corpse?! | 00:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boring_%28mechanical%29 | 00:15 |
| KotCzarny | interesting thing is my battery shows nearly same voltage since ~10h | 00:15 |
| lcuk | thats cos your program has a y2k type bug when the duration goes over 9h59m ;) | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 00:16 |
| solmumaha | pupnik: would you mind hosting some ruby debs? | 00:16 |
| KotCzarny | because it runs ~50h for now | 00:16 |
| pupnik | solmumaha: no | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | right, does anyone use sdl_ttf and if so, do you know of a way i can adjust the aspect ratio of the fonts so i can render similar sized elements on a 400*480 screen as on an 800*480. they look fat at the moment and searching google basically comes with me asking this question in here a few days ago | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ ++ | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate the #maemo log. :( | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | use narrow fotns? | 00:19 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:19 |
| lcuk | no, i like it - its slower than the slash log (plenty of times i have posted and my point is scanned instantly) | 00:20 |
| lcuk | ahhh - but the screen res is at users choice - say they want Sans 20, if i let them it looks good, but if ithey lower screen res it looks dire | 00:20 |
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| KotCzarny | add a font dialog? | 00:20 |
| lcuk | but that doesnt help | 00:21 |
| lcuk | all fonts looks fat - suppose the user wants 300*480 | 00:21 |
| lcuk | or 800*240 | 00:21 |
| lcuk | if i could tell sdl_ttf i have a strange AR then it could render the font correctly | 00:21 |
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| leif__ | details about apple's sdk are finally out... as suspected, apps must be signed by apple and can only be distributed thru their store. And it is $99 to sign up as a developer | 00:22 |
| lcuk | i might just get round it at mo by (spit) scaling the glyphs but then i lose the niceness of smoothed edges | 00:22 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 00:22 |
| pupnik | omg jott load times are like 5x faster with the compile flags | 00:22 |
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| jott | pupnik: amazing, huh? ;) | 00:22 |
| lcuk | pupnik, all those flags needed? | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: what flags? | 00:23 |
| lcuk | or just a subset | 00:23 |
| jott | basically vfp is important | 00:23 |
| pupnik | no not all | 00:23 |
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| KotCzarny | leif: and there will be many shareware apps, let's rejoice! | 00:23 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: that's a bit scary, my 770 also has been running with wifi connected for almost 24h and it still does not show any noticeable changes in voltage indicators | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | ssvn: no it's ok | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | it only means power usage is ~0 | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | apply some load and it will drop down fast :) | 00:24 |
| spirytusick | there was an post on itt's about the device actually using less power when switched on 24h that if you keep on switching it on and off every night... | 00:25 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: True! | 00:25 |
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| spirytusick | KotCzarny: Usualy dies in the least necessary moment... | 00:25 |
| jott | lcuk: why would the aspect ratio of the font be affected if you have square pixels and same dpi in x and y direction? | 00:25 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: 770 was never particularly efficient with wifi, or I just did not notice that it is so good before :) | 00:26 |
| leif__ | KotCzarny, there will be zero user-modifiable apps... and even freeware developers will have to pay for the privilege | 00:26 |
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| jott | ah you double pixel in one direction? | 00:26 |
| lcuk | jott, ttf_sdl works without opening a window in sdl. if i haven't opened a window it has to get its dpi settings from somewhere - if you are telling me they are around then please do spill the beans | 00:26 |
| jott | i only used freetype | 00:26 |
| jott | to render a font | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/batt2gp-2.png | 00:27 |
| lcuk | and how do you inform it of the intended dpi/AR of the destination device | 00:27 |
| KotCzarny | it's close to flat after midnight | 00:27 |
| lcuk | because if i can use that, then i will gladly switch | 00:27 |
| jott | well if freetype can't sdl_ttf will probably also fail ;) | 00:28 |
| pupnik | i'm sorry but the controls in pingus are fucked | 00:28 |
| jott | let's see where i got the source :p | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | this is of vital importance if i am to start rotating the display -> even a standard font displayed on an 800*480 screen looks wrong when i rotate the bitmap onto the 480*800 display | 00:29 |
| * lcuk hacks it with a cheap stretchblit | 00:29 | |
| * lcuk cries at loss of clarity | 00:30 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:30 |
| KotCzarny | make a function then? | 00:30 |
| lcuk | mind you, i cant read an 8pt font rendered directly on fullscreen | 00:30 |
| lcuk | i already have done | 00:30 |
| jott | lcuk: yeah it's possible with freetype to set dpi independently | 00:30 |
| lcuk | jott - ahhhh maybe i shall head over in that direction - i was kinda raping sdl_ttf anyway - the screen is XV but i need SDL initializing just for the fonts | 00:31 |
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| jott | lcuk: http://sse2.net/convttf.c -> FT_Set_Pixel_Sizes | 00:32 |
| jott | this does probably what you want (the whole thing ;-) | 00:33 |
| jott | it writes a bitmap font file with alpha values.. | 00:33 |
| lcuk | thats cool - i have internal glyph buffer that i can init from anywhere (i even hand coded a font to prove concept at first!) thanks tho for this if it works as expected i can drop sdl altogether for now | 00:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:35 |
| jott | should give you a clue on what to do i suppose ;) | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | shucks. i want to play with my n800 | 00:35 |
| jott | (like getting pixels from freetype ;) | 00:35 |
| KotCzarny | battery rundown is suspended. ;) | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | yer jott | 00:35 |
| jott | proper usage of ascent/width would be wise though .. | 00:36 |
| jott | (this was restricted in my use case) | 00:36 |
| lcuk | its restricted in my case | 00:36 |
| lcuk | im quite happy with fixed width fonts :) | 00:37 |
| jott | hey freetype gives you all the important stuff ;) | 00:37 |
| lcuk | whos domain is this sse2.net? ive seen a few things posted | 00:38 |
| jott | lcuk: http://freetype.org/freetype2/docs/tutorial/step2.html | 00:38 |
| jott | lcuk: mine :) | 00:38 |
| lcuk | thats prob why ive seen them posted :D | 00:38 |
| jott | yeah not really usable as it has very few space ..but good enough to dump some small files (it's free so i don't complain) | 00:39 |
| lcuk | thats all you need most of the time | 00:40 |
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| spirytusick | guys, good night and good hacking! | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | night night | 00:41 |
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| jott | lcuk: btw i used 4bpp depth for fonts and it looks actually quite nice (and should be faster and has less memory footprint) | 00:43 |
| lcuk | 256 greyscale works REALLY nicely and i can add color later if required - its just a basic reader (that happens to scroll beautifully) | 00:44 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | e-uae segfaults | 00:45 |
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| jott | KotCzarny: unsupported sdl mode? ;) | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | doesn't even get to gui | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | nanosleep({0, 10000000}, NULL) = 0 | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | nanosleep({0, 10000000}, 0) = ? ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK (To be restarted) | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ | 00:45 |
| dtahtbot` | KotCzarny: Error: "++" is not a valid command. | 00:45 |
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| jott | ++SIGSEGV | 00:46 |
| dtahtbot` | jott: Error: "+SIGSEGV" is not a valid command. | 00:46 |
| jott | +SIGSEGV | 00:46 |
| dtahtbot` | jott: Error: "SIGSEGV" is not a valid command. | 00:46 |
| jott | stupid bot ;) | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 00:46 |
| jott | i guess it has to do with sdl initalization KotCzarny :) | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 00:47 |
| KotCzarny | running with use_gui=no worked | 00:47 |
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| jott | or some missing files :) atleast bad error handling ;) | 00:48 |
| lcuk | how does uae handle planar->chunky? apart from slowly? | 00:48 |
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| h3sp4wn | Has anyone (other than me) bought a refurb (respectable dealer) tablet that won't for some reason authentiate to download anything. (and who do I hassle Nokia or the dealer) or is there a free to all distribution for the 770 | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | h3sp4wn: just flash another os | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | You mean the WLAN MAC doesn't work at the firmware site? | 00:58 |
| h3sp4wn | Yep | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure somebody has figured out the range of 770 MACs and you could just pick a random one from there. | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I even recall seeing it mentioned somewhere. | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I don't know offhand where to find it. . . . | 00:59 |
| h3sp4wn | Thanks I will investigate | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd drop an email to Nokia Support, though. | 00:59 |
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| h3sp4wn | Do I need a genuine nokia cable to flash or can I just use any usb ? | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you really end up in a bind, I'm sure you can talk somebody here into letting you borrow theirs. :D | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | any | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any MiniB USB cable. | 00:59 |
| h3sp4wn | Cool thanks. | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're just ass-covering. | 01:00 |
| johnx | any one is fine, but some people have reported problems with hubs in between the desktop and tablet | 01:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, do follow that bit of device. | 01:01 |
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| johnx | though I haven't had a problem with my hub... | 01:02 |
| plb | hrm hrm | 01:02 |
| plb | what | 01:02 |
| plb | er | 01:02 |
| johnx | but not all hubs are the same | 01:02 |
| plb | whats root pw? | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | blank | 01:02 |
| plb | for n800 | 01:02 |
| plb | ah | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | by default | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | plb, what ITOS version? | 01:02 |
| plb | thanks | 01:02 |
| plb | hm | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | My recommendation is to either install OpenSSH or easyroot | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | or best, both. | 01:03 |
| plb | I su but it says applet requires root privileges | 01:03 |
| plb | os2008 | 01:03 |
| johnx | yeah, the tablets don't run a "normal" linux distro | 01:03 |
| johnx | install easyroot and/or openssh | 01:03 |
| plb | I downloaded something and am trying to move it onto my memory card | 01:04 |
| plb | it downloaded to /home/user | 01:04 |
| johnx | where did you download it to that you need root privileges? | 01:04 |
| plb | /home/user is where it went | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | how can i tell app to use smaller font? | 01:04 |
| plb | need to move it to /media/mmc1 | 01:04 |
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| johnx | if you type mv foo /media/mmc1 as user what happens? | 01:05 |
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| plb | it says cannot preserve ownership..operation not permitted | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | vfat | 01:06 |
| johnx | yeah, don't worry about that | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:06 |
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| johnx | fat16/32 = no permissions | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | mount with quiet | 01:06 |
| johnx | no owner/group, no nothin' :) | 01:06 |
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| johnx | plb, look and see if the file got moved | 01:07 |
| plb | it didnt | 01:07 |
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| plb | er | 01:07 |
| plb | hm | 01:07 |
| plb | nm | 01:07 |
| plb | it worked | 01:08 |
| johnx | h3sp4wn, BTW, if you want to sanity check your tablet's MAC address, you can give it to a site that has a mac address lookup and see if the MAC address even belongs to Nokia | 01:08 |
| johnx | plb, I know :) | 01:08 |
| plb | wrong directory by accident ;] | 01:08 |
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| plb | yay new background image | 01:10 |
| plb | pity deviantart doesn't seem to work | 01:10 |
| plb | in tablet browser | 01:10 |
| plb | for me anyway | 01:10 |
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| johnx | works great here | 01:11 |
| johnx | I even added some tweaks to it through greasemonkey | 01:11 |
| plb | hrm | 01:11 |
| johnx | nodevads and "continuous scrolling" | 01:11 |
| plb | the homepage opens but it won't let me click any links | 01:11 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:14 |
| KotCzarny | is nokia's gtk broken in a way it ignores gtkrc file? | 01:14 |
| johnx | hmm...maybe? | 01:14 |
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| lcuk | h3sp4wn, are you looking under the battery for mac address or from the device config? it does sound strange that its invalidated itself | 01:14 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, find another gtkrc that *is* getting read and include yours from it | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | i look at the strace output | 01:16 |
| jott | KotCzarny: maybe sapwood is messing around | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't even looks for it | 01:16 |
| plb | hrm wth I got someones shared folder in my file manager? | 01:16 |
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| h3sp4wn | lcuk: I have tried both and they are the same number | 01:16 |
| johnx | ahaha...plb, it's whoever owns the wifi you're using probably :P | 01:16 |
| johnx | does it come up in a mac checker as a Nokia mac address? | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | gtk2 sources are 15mb | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:17 |
| johnx | or is it 00:co:ff:ee:02 | 01:17 |
| lcuk | h3sp4wn, oooer then - are you sure you are at the right location - i thought it was different sites for different devices | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | bigger than xserver itself :) | 01:17 |
| johnx | yeah, the x server is light...it mainly just delegates to the kernel fb driver, IIRC | 01:17 |
| plb | johnx: my wifi | 01:17 |
| KotCzarny | btw. are you entering it as 00:00.. or 0000.. ? | 01:17 |
| plb | other computers on the line of course | 01:18 |
| johnx | plb, then it's prolly a machine on your wifi | 01:18 |
| plb | ya | 01:18 |
| h3sp4wn | lcuk: clicked on the link for nokia 770 os 2006 | 01:18 |
| h3sp4wn | could it be uk ip address and us device ? | 01:19 |
| h3sp4wn | (I can try it from a vserver I have in the us but I would need to use elinks) | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php | 01:19 |
| plb | ah now deviantart wants to work | 01:19 |
| johnx | h3sp4wn, I don't think the country matters | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody using jablet? | 01:21 |
| lcuk | could be a problem with the akamai cache | 01:21 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | i guess the only place that has any effect is themes gtkrc | 01:27 |
| * KotCzarny set all fonts to 10pt ;) | 01:27 | |
| johnx | just include your gtkrc from that one | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | good idea | 01:27 |
| KotCzarny | but the gtk should do it by itself | 01:28 |
| johnx | :) | 01:28 |
| KotCzarny | :/ | 01:28 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:41 |
| KotCzarny | having small fonts helps with nothildonized gtk apps | 01:42 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 01:42 |
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| lcuk | jott, or anyone with knowledge - is freetype included on the maemo by default or does it need installing? if its included where do i get the sdk from | 02:09 |
| lcuk | for my scratchbox thingy | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | freetype is x related i guess | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | and probably included | 02:10 |
| lcuk | thinking: sdl_ttf uses it internally and works, so it does exist. but the headers arent found so cant compile stuff | 02:10 |
| KotCzarny | apt-get install libfreetype6-dev | 02:11 |
| jott | lcuk: 500 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages <- libfreetype6-dev | 02:11 |
| lcuk | thx jott :) | 02:12 |
| pupnik | jott: you can test new pingus here | 02:12 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/pingus.html | 02:12 |
| lcuk | i did just manage to work the syntax for find tho and technically it exists already but cant be found by gcc | 02:12 |
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| pupnik | should be a two-step install - i may end up bundling needed libs tomorrow | 02:13 |
| johnx | lcuk, did you search for the lib or the headers? | 02:13 |
| lcuk | headers | 02:14 |
| jott | lcuk: compile with `freetype-config --libs` `freetype-config --cflags` | 02:14 |
| lcuk | ahhh coool, ok ill try | 02:14 |
| johnx | there is similar magic for other things as well :) | 02:14 |
| lcuk | thats not magic - its torture | 02:15 |
| lcuk | mind you, this is still kinda simpler than vs.shit 2008 | 02:16 |
| jott | it's easy when you know how (tm) ;) | 02:16 |
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| KotCzarny | is there on-the-fly theme editor? | 02:16 |
| johnx | right, and now that you know about freetype-config you can use gtk-config in the same way | 02:16 |
| johnx | on the tablet? no | 02:16 |
| jott | or even pkg-config :P | 02:16 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: fot gtk2 | 02:17 |
| KotCzarny | for | 02:17 |
| johnx | hmm | 02:17 |
| johnx | I dunno | 02:17 |
| johnx | I don't know the current gtk theming "state of the art" | 02:17 |
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| jott | aren't the themes rendered "in c code"? and there are some engines that support simple pixmaps? | 02:18 |
| * jott didn't really look into gtk theming .. | 02:19 | |
| johnx | jott, that is my understanding | 02:19 |
| johnx | but there are lots of things you could mean when you say "editing a gtk theme" | 02:19 |
| jott | indeed | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | editing gtkrc | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | only | 02:19 |
| johnx | changing the colors can be done in the gtkrc, or change the pixmaps, or change the way buttons are drawn... | 02:19 |
| johnx | ah, so like a frontend to gtkrc editing? | 02:19 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:20 |
| johnx | IIRC, the variables that are valid in the gtkrc depends at least a little on the engine used...so it's not exactly straightforward | 02:20 |
| jott | gtk theming is a mess imho :p | 02:20 |
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| KotCzarny | i don't mind using another engine | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | as long it allows for some quick tunings | 02:21 |
| johnx | if you don't use the built-in theme engine, some things probably won't work right | 02:21 |
| jott | that's why there is no qt theme that uses a gtk renderer, just a gtk theme that uses a qt renderer ;) | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | well | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | i agree it looks, erm, interesting | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | but it works | 02:21 |
| KotCzarny | apparently | 02:22 |
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| lamia | :D | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:23 |
| lamia | Hi hi KotCzarny | 02:23 |
| KotCzarny | hi hi | 02:23 |
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| lcuk | hmmmm all the includes are in ..../freetype2/... but the base header is pointing into ../freetype/... | 02:24 |
| jott | yes they are in freetype2/freetype/ | 02:25 |
| lcuk | do i just rename freetype2 or will that break anything else i might try to compile? | 02:25 |
| jott | no | 02:25 |
| jott | it should work | 02:25 |
| jott | without renaming | 02:25 |
| jott | just tested.. my source compiles fine in sbox | 02:26 |
| lcuk | it has fixed itself | 02:26 |
| jott | cc -O -ansi -Wall -g convttf.c -o convttf `freetype-config --libs` `freetype-config --cflags` | 02:26 |
| lcuk | yes, ty | 02:26 |
| * lcuk scratches his chin | 02:26 | |
| * lcuk picks his nose | 02:28 | |
| * lcuk shakes jotts hand :) ty | 02:28 | |
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| lcuk | looking into sdl_ttf and your prog all it would take would be a quick couple of arguments to TTF_OpenFont to allow it to use custom DPI values (which will be of value in lower res/rotated games) | 02:31 |
| lcuk | sdl_ttf is currently passing in 0,0 to the ft_set_char_size function which tells opentype to use 72*72dpi | 02:32 |
| jott | hm well patching sdl_ttf is not a good idea i suppose ;) | 02:32 |
| jott | (atleast not without bringing the changes upstream and then downstream to itos again :P | 02:33 |
| lcuk | not at all, but now its been mentioned if someone is looking for custom dpi stuff in future they can have a look and there will be a bit of a head start | 02:33 |
| jott | indeed ... hello googlebot! have a nice crawl! | 02:33 |
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| lcuk | im gonna go directly to opentype i think and call how i need. thanks v muchly for this base jott | 02:34 |
| jott | you're welcome.. we expect the ultimate ebook reader from you ;P | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:35 |
| lcuk | as long as its white on black or black on white and reads all my flat text files smoothly then im happy | 02:35 |
| lcuk | and i am the number one customer :) tho i fully expect you lot to get your grubby mitts on it sometime | 02:36 |
| lcuk | :P | 02:36 |
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| lcuk | i might even write a book about this experience. just so ive got something to read | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:41 |
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| ds3 | anyone thought about a way to send output to a TV from the N800? not mirroring but just to be able to show a JPG or a movie- an ipod nano would work but seems over kill | 04:25 |
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| texel | Back from work ... with a splitting headache. O.o | 04:54 |
| * KotCzarny hacks e-uae | 04:54 | |
| texel | Heh -- excellent idea. =o) | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | getting mouse to work should be relatively trivial | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | that is, as soon as i understand the innards ;) | 04:55 |
| texel | Mm. I seem to remember Picasa'98 having special mouse drivers to help with moving the mouse in and out of UAE's window seamlessly (like VMWare does)... | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 04:55 |
| texel | You might look there. | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | the code is simple | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | i just need to find where to put it | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | right now i got x events to go through | 04:56 |
| ds3 | texel: is there a reason why they just don't emulate a touch screen device and avoid the whole mouse mess? | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | but still they didn't reach the target | 04:56 |
| texel | ds3: what do you mean? | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: nondos games | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | they scrap metal | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 04:56 |
| texel | Right. | 04:56 |
| ds3 | texel: the problem with moving the mouse in and out is because the mouse returns relative changes | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | but the code is already there | 04:56 |
| ds3 | a touch screen returns absolute coordinates | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | ie. getting two inputs already can generate div x | 04:57 |
| ds3 | KotCzarny: bah... they can put a TSR equiv to fix those games :P | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | don't talk assembly to me :P | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | but as i said enabling mouse events was trivial | 04:58 |
| ds3 | qemu/dosemu running win3.1 has the samething and yet no one seems to have considered a touch screen | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | because the only events are mouse down/up | 04:58 |
| texel | ds3: qemu/dosemu are entirely different beasts as compared to the Amiga. | 04:58 |
| KotCzarny | i mean button down/up | 04:58 |
| texel | DOS machines didn't have mouse control hardwired into their ROMs. | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | so i added readinx x/y to that part of the code | 04:59 |
| ds3 | texel: ah yes | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | reading | 04:59 |
| * texel isn't an Amiga expert, but sure loved the machines =o) | 04:59 | |
| ds3 | okay time for food and if there is time left...time to figure out how to print to a portable printer from the 800 | 04:59 |
| * KotCzarny hacks away | 05:00 | |
| KotCzarny | ds3: cups? | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:00 |
| ds3 | KotGzarny: someone got CUPS + GS .debs ready? | 05:00 |
| ds3 | I was just thinking of getting GS to work | 05:00 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 05:01 |
| ds3 | then maybe lpr... cups seems heavy weight but if there are binaries... | 05:01 |
| ds3 | whoa maybe not cups...100Ms | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | chicken | 05:03 |
| johnx | yeah, I remember having that problem with it for a web kiosk system | 05:03 |
| ds3 | i don't need half the crap that is in cups | 05:03 |
| ds3 | recompiling plain lpr + gs seems to be easier | 05:03 |
| KotCzarny | pdq? | 05:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:04 |
| ds3 | pdq? /me googles | 05:04 |
| ds3 | worth looking into. as long as it doesn't pull in the kitchen sink and more in libraries | 05:05 |
| KotCzarny | yes, it was designed to be lightweight | 05:06 |
| ds3 | strike 1 - it uses configure | 05:06 |
| texel | KotCzarny: Nice. Hadn't heard of PDQ before. | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:07 |
| texel | ds3: what's wrong with configure? O.o | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, configure is nice | 05:08 |
| KotCzarny | at least better than xmkmf | 05:08 |
| KotCzarny | *grin* | 05:08 |
| texel | It's much better than crazy streams of Makefiles or Imakefiles | 05:08 |
| texel | s/streams/strings/ | 05:08 |
| infobot | texel meant: It's much better than crazy strings of Makefiles or Imakefiles | 05:08 |
| ds3 | strike 2 - can't resolve the server name | 05:08 |
| johnx | autotools/configure can be a real pain when cross compiling | 05:08 |
| texel | ...and that's weird. | 05:08 |
| ds3 | texel: it makes things a pain to cross compile as configure usually insist on checking and linking with the host system | 05:08 |
| johnx | and running test programs | 05:09 |
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| KotCzarny | sb2 to the rescue! | 05:09 |
| texel | Ahh. | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | or just install toolchain on nokia | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | 400mhz is fine | 05:09 |
| ds3 | bah no scratch box - I'll statically link them all and use a generic arm tool chain | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: consider installing it, works pretty well for me | 05:10 |
| johnx | nah, system-qemu-arm is (usually) faster than native compilation | 05:10 |
| ds3 | KotCzarny: that's assuming I can find a mirror for it; the main site doesn't resolve | 05:10 |
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| texel | johnx: ...and also much more painful to setup, I'm afraid. | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | ds3: http://pdq.sourceforge.net/ | 05:10 |
| johnx | have you tried to get a compiler and all the required headers on ITOS on the tablet? O_o | 05:11 |
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| * KotCzarny did | 05:11 | |
| KotCzarny | worked well | 05:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:11 |
| ds3 | oh there are 2 download links for that version... it is just the UIUC one that is dead | 05:11 |
| ds3 | blah #@$!@#!$@ traffic, guess i will look at PDQ now | 05:13 |
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| texel | KotCzarny: FYI, after a day of being away from my home-charger, kcbatt shows 73%, and battery-status shows 89.2%. | 05:15 |
| texel | I remember you mentioning you had a newer version of kcbatt available with a slightly tweaked algorithm -- got it handy? =o) | 05:15 |
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| KotCzarny | same link i guess | 05:15 |
| texel | Right. =o) | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | though it's more like a ui update | 05:16 |
| texel | Ah. | 05:17 |
| KotCzarny | still, you can like it :) | 05:17 |
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| texel | Nice. | 05:18 |
| KotCzarny | you can look at batt2gb.png | 05:18 |
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| KotCzarny | that will be a base for my new algo | 05:19 |
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| KotCzarny | but your best guess will be just analyzing you battery retu-adc values | 05:19 |
| texel | Right. Still, a percentage is quite nice. | 05:19 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 05:20 |
| texel | I appreciate the work you're doing. =o) | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | if you can notice values for 100/75/50/25/0 % that could be valuable input :) | 05:20 |
| * texel nods | 05:20 | |
| texel | Will do. | 05:20 |
| KotCzarny | i mean real % not shown by my prog :) | 05:20 |
| texel | Right. | 05:21 |
| KotCzarny | for example noting down adc values for nokia's applet every hour | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:22 |
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| KotCzarny | and applet days/hours value too | 05:22 |
| KotCzarny | btw. full charge takes 3h | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:23 |
| johnx | what was running while you were charging? | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | not much | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | i was testing euae mouse reponse every now and then | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | it was idling otherwise | 05:24 |
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| johnx | I have heard (and haven't confirmed) that the N800 at least is actually capable of eating more power than the charger can supply | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | charger is rated at 800mA | 05:25 |
| elb | that is not uncommon | 05:25 |
| johnx | but it makes sense...full cpu load, full brightness and a big transfer over wifi should get you close to that... | 05:25 |
| elb | many portable devices require at least a partial battery charge to operate | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | brightness is ~25%, cpu load 0-100, no transfers | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:26 |
| elb | because while they don't draw more power than their charger for long periods of time, they can draw more than their charger for short periods | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes, impulse psu | 05:26 |
| elb | but, running while charging will certainly increase the charge time, regardless | 05:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:26 |
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| johnx | turning off the screen and wifi might actually get you a faster charge | 05:27 |
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| h3sp4wn | lcuk: / KotCzarny : / johnx - changed browsers and it worked very strange but thanks | 05:42 |
| johnx | interesting...someone else was having that same problem before I think | 05:43 |
| johnx | but I don't think they realized it was the browser | 05:43 |
| * KotCzarny hates c-pointers fun | 05:43 | |
| johnx | what browser was the problem? | 05:43 |
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| johnx | does someone know a way to turn on "nozap" (disable ctrl-alt-backspace killing the server) on a running x server | 05:45 |
| johnx | ? | 05:45 |
| h3sp4wn | firefox3 on ubuntu+1 (I am behind quite a wierd webcache as well that may have affected it) | 05:45 |
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| h3sp4wn | opera woreked fine | 05:45 |
| johnx | interesting | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | on arm pointers are ints? | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | or better, i need someone to tell me what three lines of c code do | 05:47 |
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| texel | KotCzarny: from my armel debian chroot: | 05:51 |
| texel | "Sizeof void* is: 4." | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | texel, join #kotc pls :) | 05:51 |
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| cLin | anyone use gos-saver? | 06:09 |
| cLin | gps* | 06:10 |
| johnx | what is gps-saver? | 06:10 |
| * johnx googles, nvm | 06:10 | |
| cLin | Save GPS data (received from GPSd) to file for later processing. Uses the GPS framework API found in OS2007 or later. | 06:10 |
| cLin | i just want to somehow be able to take pictures and use the gps data to mark it on a map | 06:11 |
| johnx | take pictures on the n8x0 or pictures on your camera? | 06:11 |
| cLin | camera | 06:11 |
| johnx | ah | 06:11 |
| cLin | i know there is a program to do it on n800 camera | 06:11 |
| cLin | gps-camera i think | 06:11 |
| cLin | but i want to somehow extract the data and use embed it into the picture info | 06:12 |
| cLin | was wondering if anyone is doing that now | 06:12 |
| johnx | I *know* I saw something about this | 06:12 |
| johnx | let me try to dig it up... | 06:12 |
| cLin | thanks | 06:15 |
| johnx | gpsphoto is the project :) the page is down, but the sf project is up: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gps2photo/ | 06:15 |
| johnx | you need a gpx track file | 06:15 |
| johnx | I don't know what gpssaver creates... | 06:16 |
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| cLin | let me see... | 06:22 |
| cLin | wait, doesn't this mean the photos need to be on the n800? | 06:22 |
| johnx | er...it just means you need to move the saved gps data and photos to a linux based computer at some point | 06:23 |
| cLin | oh | 06:23 |
| johnx | there is a program for os x as well, and I have no doubt there is one for windows | 06:23 |
| johnx | google exif tag gps <os of choice> | 06:23 |
| cLin | gps saver saves the nmea data | 06:25 |
| johnx | maybe gpsbabel can convert it? | 06:25 |
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| cLin | do u have a n8x0? | 06:26 |
| johnx | n800 | 06:26 |
| johnx | no gps though | 06:26 |
| cLin | can you see if gps saver works? | 06:26 |
| johnx | and no good digicam :/ | 06:26 |
| cLin | i start the app and nothing opens | 06:26 |
| johnx | can you try running it from the x terminal? | 06:26 |
| cLin | did, shows no error | 06:27 |
| cLin | and i cant find the name for the gps-saver ui | 06:27 |
| cLin | its not gps-saver-ui | 06:27 |
| johnx | are you sure it has a ui? | 06:27 |
| cLin | yea, i downloaded it | 06:27 |
| johnx | dpkg -L packagename to see what files are installed by it | 06:27 |
| cLin | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=145 | 06:27 |
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| johnx | maybe reboot and see if it shows up in the menu? does it include a .desktop file? | 06:30 |
| cLin | no, i see thefile, it just says GPS Saver - Loading on top right and nothing loads | 06:30 |
| cLin | the website doesn't give much info so i don't know what it is suppose to do | 06:30 |
| johnx | sorry, no ideas here, and no gps to test | 06:30 |
| cLin | yea | 06:30 |
| cLin | ok so i found a windows version to embed gps location | 06:32 |
| cLin | now i need to figure out how to extract the data | 06:32 |
| cLin | is there a command line to find files with wildcards? | 06:32 |
| cLin | something like find *.gz | 06:32 |
| johnx | find /path -name "*.gz" | 06:32 |
| johnx | find /home/user -name "*gz" | 06:32 |
| johnx | you get the idea... | 06:32 |
| cLin | can i do find / -name "*.gz" | 06:33 |
| johnx | yeah but it will take a while | 06:33 |
| johnx | and if you're user you'll get a whole bunch of permission denied messages | 06:33 |
| cLin | damn authors, they need to write a readme | 06:33 |
| johnx | maybe there is something in the source .tar.gz? | 06:33 |
| johnx | anyways find / -name "*.gz" 2> /dev/null will make it not print errors | 06:34 |
| cLin | ok | 06:34 |
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| texel | johnx: that link to gpsPhoto is a life-saver. Thanks much! =o) | 06:38 |
| texel | It will be quite helpful in the coming three weeks. | 06:38 |
| johnx | you're welcome :) | 06:39 |
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| * johnx needs to get his hands on a bt gps soon | 06:39 | |
| cLin | heh | 06:39 |
| texel | johnx: I strongly recommend the Holux M-1200. | 06:41 |
| cLin | im using the m1000 | 06:41 |
| cLin | how much is the m1200 | 06:41 |
| texel | I think I paid around $100 or so for it. | 06:41 |
| cLin | yikes | 06:41 |
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| cLin | whats the improvement over m1000 | 06:42 |
| johnx | noted :) I'll probably just go for anything with a sirf3 or better that I can get cheap here | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | i-blue! | 06:42 |
| texel | cLin: considerably smaller. | 06:43 |
| texel | The M1200 is the size of a USB memory stick. | 06:43 |
| texel | cLin: http://www.holux.com/JCore/en/products/products_content.jsp?pno=227 | 06:43 |
| texel | At the time I was biking from place to place, and I wanted the smallest device possible. | 06:45 |
| texel | It hides in my purse rather nicely -- and I'm not one to carry a large purse. =o) | 06:45 |
| KotCzarny | purse? | 06:46 |
| johnx | quite understandable :) no purse here, just cargo pants for carrying things | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | ah, bicycle. | 06:46 |
| texel | Yes, purse. =op | 06:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:46 |
| * KotCzarny got confused for a moment | 06:47 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:47 |
| cLin | oh god, why won't gps saver work | 06:47 |
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| cLin | can anyone see if gps-saver works for them | 06:54 |
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| cLin | is python2.5 differnt then python2.5 runtime? | 06:57 |
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| johnx | python2.5-runtime is name of the package that pulls in all the python stuff you need | 07:00 |
| cLin | exit | 07:01 |
| johnx | exit: permission denied | 07:01 |
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| christefano | hi all. I just got the N810 and want to update the firmware (which is now being downloaded). where can I find instructions on installing it? | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which platform? | 07:11 |
| christefano | I found instructions for Linux but I'm using OS X | 07:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29 | 07:12 |
| christefano | great, thanks | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot of the steps I outlined there are specific to help newbies from tripping over themselves. | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | feel free to simplify things if you already know your way around. ;) | 07:12 |
| christefano | perfect :) I'm a total newbie when it comes to the N810. I had a Zaurus 5600 years ago, but that was years ago | 07:13 |
| KotCzarny | now you will have to learn linux, muauahuahauhuahuahahhahaha | 07:14 |
| KotCzarny | you're dooomed | 07:14 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, he had a zaurus 5600 :P | 07:14 |
| * KotCzarny had chinese tetris game :P | 07:15 | |
| johnx | just...nevermind | 07:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:15 |
| johnx | :P | 07:15 |
| cLin | if i wanted to reinstall os2008, besides using the backup feature, is there like a user's folder which saves allmy personalize crap? | 07:17 |
| johnx | like your settings or your documents? | 07:17 |
| cLin | and bookmarks and repositories | 07:17 |
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| johnx | they're all under /home/user/ | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Backup utility gets all of that. | 07:18 |
| johnx | except for repos | 07:18 |
| johnx | what I mean is repos are in /etc, but backup will get hose too | 07:19 |
| cLin | how do i save the repo list? | 07:19 |
| cLin | oh | 07:19 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles snuck a message in before me :P | 07:19 |
| cLin | is there a maemo mapper settings file? | 07:20 |
| johnx | it stores some stuff in gconf and some in .maemo-mapper (or similar) | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Backup gets that, too. | 07:20 |
| cLin | which option is that on backup? | 07:20 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it gets maemo mapper settings? O_o | 07:20 |
| cLin | there's like 8 checkboxes | 07:20 |
| KotCzarny | /home/user/.maemo-mapper | 07:21 |
| KotCzarny | paths.db | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It gets all application settings that I've ever encountered. | 07:21 |
| cLin | do i need to check application list? | 07:21 |
| johnx | I didn't know that it got non-Nokia stuff... | 07:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does. | 07:22 |
| johnx | not that I doubt you, I just didn't know | 07:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | IT DOES AND YOU'RE A FOOL! :P | 07:22 |
| cLin | lol | 07:22 |
| * johnx kries, gets some lunch | 07:22 | |
| KotCzarny | launch ? | 07:22 |
| johnx | hey, getting yelled at on the internet is hungry work | 07:23 |
| texel | lol | 07:23 |
| Navi | johnx, kries is bloated, you should use gcries | 07:23 |
| johnx | :P | 07:23 |
| Navi | srsly | 07:24 |
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| christefano | GeneralAntilles: I'm not getting it right it seems. pressing the home and power buttons doesn't reset the N810 at all | 07:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, turn it off (unplug the charger, too) | 07:30 |
| christefano | ah, it's still plugged in | 07:31 |
| johnx | unplug power, turn off, run flasher, plug usb, hold home, plug power | 07:31 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, looks like uae's mousehack passes data by kind of memset :/ | 07:31 |
| johnx | can someone think of a nice mnemonic for that? :D | 07:32 |
| KotCzarny | upto rufla hoho plupo | 07:32 |
| christefano | johnx: that's the ticket, thanks. the update just flew over the wire and the N810 is rebooting | 07:32 |
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| johnx | yeah, this thing flashes really fast compared to any zaurus | 07:33 |
| johnx | I thought mine didn't work at first | 07:33 |
| texel | hehe -- yeah, no kidding. | 07:33 |
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| texel | And it doesn't have the insane keypresses to boot. | 07:33 |
| johnx | heh...I got so good at that too :) | 07:34 |
| texel | (ie: press and hold c, s, and the reset button while powering on -- zaurasutra! *shudders*) | 07:34 |
| christefano | yeah, my fingers got tired after bricking and unbricking them over and over | 07:34 |
| christefano | zaurasutra! that's exactly what it was | 07:34 |
| johnx | the Cxx00 series was a lot easier though | 07:34 |
| johnx | just hold ok and turn on | 07:34 |
| texel | I never got a chance to look at those -- really wanted to at the time, though. | 07:34 |
| texel | I'm glad I held out -- the N810 is SOOO much nicer. =o) | 07:35 |
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| johnx | yeah, the omap2420 is *fast* | 07:35 |
| * texel doublenods | 07:35 | |
| johnx | I want to get my hands on a C3x00 though | 07:35 |
| christefano | after seeing Sharp abandon the US market (and snub the MediaLab, where the 5600 was being used a lot) I couldn't justify the high price for a Cxx00 | 07:35 |
| texel | Now, if only we could get more people to use CGS LCDs... =o) | 07:35 |
| * johnx is a gadget-head :) | 07:35 | |
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| johnx | texel, the N8x0 has a higher DPI anyways. Is there something better about the CGS technology? | 07:36 |
| * texel just wants a wearable like Manfred Macx's. =o) | 07:36 | |
| johnx | accelerando rocks :D | 07:36 |
| texel | Yes. It came on my CyBook, too. Rather ironic. =o) | 07:36 |
| texel | CGS allows for extremely high DPIs and extremely low power consumption. | 07:37 |
| texel | Though I'm not sure if that's what the ITs use or not, I must admit. =o) | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | epaper would be cool | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | but it's still some time to do it right | 07:38 |
| johnx | except for power draw I never saw the point... | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | sight strain | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | for one | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:38 |
| texel | It's basically how Sharp gave the Zaurus' that really huge screen in such a small physical dimension. | 07:38 |
| johnx | right...but the N8x0 manages a higher DPI | 07:39 |
| * texel nods | 07:39 | |
| johnx | KotCzarny, what's better about epaper in terms of eyestrain | 07:39 |
| johnx | I'm actually curious | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | it's like looking at the leds | 07:39 |
| texel | johnx: the contrast of the screen, and the fact that you're not staring at a light source. | 07:39 |
| KotCzarny | or fluorescent lamp all the time | 07:39 |
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| KotCzarny | paper is a reflected light | 07:39 |
| johnx | so is it the diffusion? or the amount of the light? | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | amount i guess | 07:40 |
| texel | I would say a little bit of both. | 07:40 |
| johnx | but I thought you weren't supposed to read in the dark O_o | 07:40 |
| * johnx gives up | 07:40 | |
| texel | It's easier to see the difference when you have an eink screen held up to an LCD. | 07:41 |
| texel | The eink looks more "physical" than an LCD. | 07:41 |
| johnx | so is this in terms of aesthetic preference or in terms of "damaging your eyes, eye-strain"? | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | for a quick comparison just holt a piece of paper | 07:42 |
| texel | Well, there is a certain level of eye-strain in there somewhere. | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | hold | 07:42 |
| johnx | honestly I prefer reading with a backlight vs reading paper | 07:42 |
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| * texel shrugs | 07:42 | |
| johnx | I was just wondering if it was less damaging to the eyes in the long run | 07:42 |
| texel | I stare at computer screens all freaking day, practically nonstop, and I much prefer looking at an eink page than an LCD. | 07:42 |
| texel | And I can feel a difference in how my eyes react. | 07:42 |
| johnx | backlit screen means reading huddled under a blanket for me | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 07:43 |
| johnx | and that means lots of win when it's cold | 07:43 |
| texel | Hehe =o) | 07:43 |
| texel | I know that feeling well. =o) | 07:43 |
| johnx | with physical paper or e-ink I'd have to drag a flashlight in their and mess around with holding it | 07:43 |
| KotCzarny | people were supposed to sleep when it's dark | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | not to read ;) | 07:44 |
| johnx | and they were supposed to die at 30 too, but I don't plan on that either | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | at least crts are gone | 07:44 |
| johnx | also, what is with ebook readers being so big?! | 07:44 |
| * KotCzarny shrugs | 07:44 | |
| texel | Cup of hot chocolate, wrap me up in a blanket with a good book on the couch, and I'm happy for the day. =o) | 07:44 |
| texel | Eh? | 07:44 |
| texel | How so? | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: less flipping | 07:44 |
| texel | Mine's no bigger than a paperback book. | 07:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:44 |
| johnx | I much prefer the N800 or zaurus C1000 size for reading, since it's pocketable | 07:45 |
| texel | Ahh. | 07:45 |
| texel | Yeah, I can see a certain amount of resoning for that. | 07:45 |
| texel | eink has a large amount of power drain when you flip the "bits" so to speak. | 07:46 |
| texel | It's also slow at refreshing. | 07:46 |
| johnx | right...I guess that makes sense | 07:46 |
| texel | So it's ideal to have a large surface about the size of a full page with which to read from. | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | but when you read it's 0 | 07:46 |
| johnx | hopefully they can improve that drasticly (the speed at least) | 07:46 |
| texel | Yeah, I hope so. | 07:46 |
| KotCzarny | so the bigger it is the less flipping | 07:46 |
| leif__ | lol: http://blog.mozilla.com/rob-sayre/2008/03/06/apple-bans-firefox-spidermonkey-lisp-lua-ruby-python-rhino-java-opera-gcc/ | 07:46 |
| texel | Huh? | 07:46 |
| * texel looks | 07:47 | |
| leif__ | signed apps == no user modifiable apps == no interpreted code | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 07:47 |
| KotCzarny | apple is WEEVIL | 07:47 |
| texel | Ow. | 07:47 |
| texel | Okay, that's dumb. | 07:47 |
| texel | I generally like Apple and their products... | 07:48 |
| texel | ...but this is just silly. | 07:48 |
| texel | I always thought Apple was ragging on developers with the iPhone. | 07:48 |
| texel | =o( | 07:48 |
| johnx | so, there's a way to test the apps on your own phone for development purposes...bet that goes about a week before someone publishes a hack to make it wide open... | 07:48 |
| johnx | then it's back to the cat&mouse game as usual | 07:49 |
| johnx | just like sony and the psp | 07:49 |
| leif__ | i was mildly concerned that the iphone SDK might *not* suck, and I'd have to eat my iphone-hating words | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | way of the future is a blackbox | 07:49 |
| johnx | there will be a lot of interesting apps for it to be sure... | 07:49 |
| KotCzarny | no user serviceable parts! | 07:49 |
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| * johnx shrugs | 07:50 | |
| johnx | can't do much repair or tinkering on the N8x0 at a hardware level | 07:50 |
| johnx | consumers don't *want* user serviceable parts anyways, they want disposable products | 07:51 |
| texel | KotCzarny: That's too /Rainbows End/ for me. =o) | 07:51 |
| leif__ | removable memory cards and batteries are nice, though | 07:51 |
| texel | Mm. Seems like it. | 07:51 |
| texel | Though the USBOTG thing that popped up was quite nice. =o) | 07:51 |
| johnx | it's something at least | 07:51 |
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| texel | Yeah. | 07:51 |
| KotCzarny | try to hack it and die! | 07:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:52 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: but blackboxes==spying | 07:52 |
| KotCzarny | and control | 07:52 |
| * texel misses the days of ISA busses and discreet logic chips | 07:52 | |
| johnx | texel, and the speed that went with them? :) | 07:52 |
| texel | Eh. Yeah, that's a good point. | 07:52 |
| * texel shrugs | 07:52 | |
| texel | I just miss hacking around on random ideas. =o) | 07:52 |
| texel | I should probably get back into that. | 07:53 |
| texel | Though with what, I'm unsure. | 07:53 |
| * KotCzarny doesn't miss isa days | 07:53 | |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:53 |
| * KotCzarny shrugs at the 100%cpu and 1.2mb/s transfers | 07:53 | |
| johnx | really, I'm glad that we have the power for higher level languages now | 07:53 |
| KotCzarny | on a ghz machine | 07:53 |
| johnx | software is where the interesting stuff is this decade | 07:53 |
| texel | True enough. | 07:54 |
| texel | I have to admit, despite the loss of easy hardware hacking... | 07:54 |
| texel | ...we've regained so much in the realm of software hacking. | 07:54 |
| texel | Vis a vis: Squeak | 07:54 |
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| johnx | I do wish I got to mess around with a Next machine... | 07:57 |
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| texel | johnx: well, you could always install GNUStep. | 07:58 |
| texel | It's very close to the operation of a NeXT box. | 07:58 |
| johnx | it's not the same (and I have) | 07:58 |
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| texel | It's not the same as in it's not greyscale monochrome? =o) | 07:59 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 07:59 |
| texel | j/k | 07:59 |
| johnx | :D | 07:59 |
| texel | Seriously, though, you could get one off ebay pretty cheap. | 07:59 |
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| texel | Might even be possible to run the x86 builds of the OS in a VMWare instance | 07:59 |
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| johnx | yeah...I probably will when I have more space/money than I know what to do with :) | 07:59 |
| texel | Though I haven't tried that recently. | 07:59 |
| johnx | texel, it is I think | 08:00 |
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| texel | I did try to boot NeXTStep 3.0 for x86 on my old AMD box quite some time ago (when I had the boot disks), and unfortunately it stuck looking for a SCSI interface. | 08:00 |
| texel | That was close to 8 years ago, though. | 08:01 |
| johnx | I've seen instructions actually | 08:01 |
| johnx | I wonder if gnustep compiles in debian-armel yet... | 08:02 |
| KotCzarny | yes i guess | 08:02 |
| KotCzarny | someone did wmaker binaries | 08:02 |
| johnx | wmaker != gnustep | 08:02 |
| johnx | they had problems with the gobjc last time I checked... | 08:02 |
| KotCzarny | but i have seen gnustep mentioned too | 08:02 |
| ds3 | ewwwww objectionable-C | 08:02 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, nope...no packages of it | 08:03 |
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| rm_you | wheee | 08:05 |
| texel | Eh. Obj-C isn't too bad if you've been working with other OO languages like Smalltalk or Lisp. | 08:05 |
| rm_you | signing a lease for a house next week :) | 08:05 |
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| johnx | rm_you, ??? | 08:06 |
| rm_you | :P | 08:06 |
| rm_you | with 5 other people | 08:06 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:06 |
| johnx | like for next year? or longer than that? | 08:06 |
| rm_you | year | 08:06 |
| johnx | ah | 08:06 |
| johnx | confused the ^&$% out of me for a sec | 08:06 |
| rm_you | :P | 08:06 |
| rm_you | it's a sweet house | 08:07 |
| rm_you | we're going to have a media room... and either 15Mbps down ADSL2, or else multiple cable/dsl lines | 08:07 |
| texel | Nice. | 08:08 |
| johnx | nice, no chance of fios? | 08:08 |
| rm_you | not quite here :( | 08:08 |
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| johnx | so I guess that solves the hosting question, right? :D | 08:09 |
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| rm_you | lol | 08:10 |
| rm_you | well, for next yet :( | 08:10 |
| rm_you | s/yet/year/ | 08:10 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: well, for next year :( | 08:10 |
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| rm_you | johnx: for short term tho, did you figure out ftp issues? or should i be looking for an alternative option | 08:24 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 08:24 |
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| johnx | rm_you, let me try again, but I think their ftp setup might be broken :/ | 08:25 |
| rm_you | :( | 08:26 |
| johnx | you can use my username/password to get to my cpanel if you want to give it a try | 08:26 |
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| rm_you | hrm | 08:27 |
| rm_you | AIM | 08:27 |
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| johnx | k | 08:27 |
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| texel | Hmm... Have any of you managed to get a known good package like maemopad to build using SB2? | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | link? | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:41 |
| texel | Ie: sb2 apt-get source maemopad; sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot -d? | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | lets see | 08:41 |
| texel | I'm following http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2/Maemo | 08:41 |
| johnx | is apt-get working for people in sb2? | 08:41 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:42 |
| johnx | last time I tried it didn't work... | 08:42 |
| texel | Yep. | 08:42 |
| johnx | awesome | 08:42 |
| texel | Worked for me, anyway. | 08:42 |
| johnx | I should try again then | 08:42 |
| * KotCzarny got dejavu | 08:42 | |
| texel | Can't get it to build, though. | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:42 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 08:43 |
| texel | Oh! | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | it need intltool | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | which has DEPENDENCIES | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:43 |
| texel | didn't see maemo-sdk.gaage.maemo.org | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | autoconf automake1.7 autotools-dev libhtml-parser-perl libhtml-tagset-perl libhtml-tree-perl | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | liburi-perl libwww-perl libxml-parser-perl | 08:43 |
| texel | Right. | 08:43 |
| KotCzarny | will it build without intltool? | 08:44 |
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| texel | Nope. | 08:44 |
| texel | The debian rules file errors out when it can't find intltool. | 08:44 |
| KotCzarny | lets see.. | 08:44 |
| texel | Mm. Closer. | 08:45 |
| texel | Now I need aclocal-1.7. | 08:45 |
| texel | Okay, nevermind. =o) | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | configure worked | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | now builds | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:45 |
| texel | Yeah. =o) | 08:45 |
| texel | I forgot that aclocal wasn't in autoconf, but in automake (gee... THAT'S intuitive... =op) | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | built | 08:46 |
| texel | Whee! | 08:47 |
| texel | "am__fastdepCC does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL" =op | 08:47 |
| texel | Stupid autoconf. | 08:47 |
| KotCzarny | worked for me | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | btw. don't you use login to get into sb2? | 08:48 |
| texel | I have no idea. | 08:48 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:49 |
| texel | Documentation for SB2 is more scarce than documentation for SB. | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | /mnt/hda5/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start | 08:49 |
| KotCzarny | then as a sbox user /mnt/hda5/scratchbox/login | 08:50 |
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| KotCzarny | how do i check which sb do i use? | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:51 |
| johnx | eh? | 08:51 |
| johnx | if you "login" you're sb1 I think | 08:52 |
| texel | Erm... I think what you just wrote is for SB1. | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | sorry then | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:52 |
| texel | It seems that the new "hotness" is to prefix commands with sb2 when you want to use sb2. O.o | 08:52 |
| johnx | sometimes KotCzarny even confuses himself :) | 08:52 |
| * KotCzarny takes a note for future reference | 08:52 | |
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| KotCzarny | i prefer login way then | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | more logical | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:52 |
| johnx | texel, or you can get an interative sb2 session | 08:52 |
| texel | Ahh. | 08:53 |
| johnx | sb2 with no arguments I think | 08:53 |
| texel | Okay, so one last question before I go to bed: | 08:53 |
| texel | Is anybody using the maemo sdk+ listed on <http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/>? | 08:54 |
| texel | And if so, how the heck did you install it? =op | 08:54 |
| johnx | the vmware thing? | 08:54 |
| texel | No. | 08:54 |
| * johnx loads page | 08:54 | |
| texel | Apparetly this is completely different. | 08:54 |
| texel | The Maemo SDK custom setup for SB2 this time around. | 08:54 |
| johnx | I haven't heard about anyone using it and I lurk here a lot :) | 08:55 |
| texel | Heh | 08:55 |
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| texel | Well, their Packages.gz is out of date with the files listed there. =op | 08:55 |
| texel | maemo-sdk doesn't even show up. =op | 08:55 |
| johnx | I only ever tried to compile for debian in sb2, so I don't know much about maemo+sb2... | 08:56 |
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| * texel nods | 08:56 | |
| texel | Well, I appreciate the info, though. =o) | 08:56 |
| johnx | maybe I'll try it in a bit | 08:57 |
| texel | Well, you'll likely have to pull down the debs manually. | 08:57 |
| texel | Like I said, the Packages.gz file is out of date and doesn't contain the core package they ask you to apt-get. =op | 08:57 |
| johnx | aah...the Packages.gz on their repo is out of date? | 08:57 |
| texel | Seems to be. | 08:57 |
| johnx | very lame | 08:57 |
| johnx | I wasn't getting the whole picture | 08:57 |
| texel | When I added it to my /etc/apt/sources.list, maemo-sdk wasn't in there. | 08:57 |
| texel | Yeah. | 08:57 |
| texel | Too much fragmentation in terms of a development environment for Maemo. =o( | 08:58 |
| johnx | ha | 08:58 |
| johnx | not nearly as bad as the zaurus | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:58 |
| * texel shrugs | 08:58 | |
| texel | I dunno. | 08:58 |
| texel | The zaurus was pretty well based. | 08:58 |
| johnx | sharp should write "how to fragment a user community, in 12 easy steps" | 08:58 |
| rm_you | >_> | 08:58 |
| texel | You had the official Sharp development SDK which worked rather well. | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | after what time? | 08:59 |
| texel | At least, at the time I was developing for it. | 08:59 |
| rm_you | what>? | 08:59 |
| rm_you | !? | 08:59 |
| rm_you | what sharp dev sdk!? | 08:59 |
| texel | But that was in the days of the 5000D. | 08:59 |
| rm_you | pdaxrom / openzaurus | 08:59 |
| rm_you | are the two i can think of, then | 08:59 |
| rm_you | now angstrom and openzaurus | 08:59 |
| johnx | texel, they started out well enough and then they decided they hated anyone with a zaurus I guess | 08:59 |
| rm_you | oh, cacko | 08:59 |
| rm_you | what else? | 08:59 |
| texel | rm_you: you're thinking of distributions, not development environments. | 08:59 |
| johnx | texel, but most distros came with their own whole dev envs and toolkits | 09:00 |
| rm_you | erm.... well, each one used something different | 09:00 |
| rm_you | openzaurus used bitbake? | 09:00 |
| rm_you | or something like that | 09:00 |
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| johnx | cacko was compatible with sharprom and so was oz in a way but then they all diverged and cacko/sharprom fell by the wayside | 09:00 |
| texel | The original dev environment was the QTE RPMs and the cross compiling toolchain RPMs that went with it. | 09:00 |
| texel | Both were well supported by Sharp at the time of the 5000D's inception. After that, the OSS community went crazy with alternatives because Sharp didn't open up quite a lot of the images. | 09:01 |
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| johnx | then sharp proved that what the OSS community did made sense by *dropping all support for the zaurus and closing the forums* | 09:02 |
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| texel | Right. | 09:02 |
| texel | I'm not disputing that point. | 09:02 |
| texel | I never was. | 09:02 |
| texel | All I said was that the development SDK was well based initially. | 09:02 |
| texel | And easy to use. | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | well biased? | 09:02 |
| johnx | initially yes, I'll agree with that | 09:02 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:02 |
| rm_you | i guess i came in too late to even know it existed | 09:03 |
| batiestuta | Anyone have done video straming application in maemo? | 09:03 |
| texel | I've never had that experience with Maemo's SDK due to scratchbox, and I started out with the 770. | 09:03 |
| rm_you | batiestuta: yes | 09:03 |
| johnx | batiestuta, mediaserv | 09:03 |
| rm_you | batiestuta: look at mediautils | 09:03 |
| johnx | batiestuta, or orb if you're under windows | 09:03 |
| johnx | texel, I guess since I've had one zaurus or another since 2003 I've seen to whole picture with the fallout from Sharp not open sourcing things and dropping support | 09:04 |
| * texel nods | 09:04 | |
| johnx | and it colors my perception of everything they did | 09:04 |
| texel | After the original development contest that Sharp did... | 09:04 |
| texel | ...and after my brother and I killed ourselves writing a 3D shoot-em-up game for the damn thing... | 09:04 |
| texel | ...sending it in... | 09:04 |
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| texel | ...and then not even getting mentioned in the list of people who entered that didn't make the cut... | 09:05 |
| johnx | ouch :( | 09:05 |
| texel | ...both he and I said "f*** the Zaurus and Sharp" and I never looked back at the community again. | 09:05 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:05 |
| texel | I know well the pain that is Sharp. | 09:05 |
| texel | I hope to G-d the same doesn't happen with Nokia and the ITs. | 09:06 |
| johnx | yeah, I remember when they closed the community forums and wouldn't release the message archives | 09:06 |
| * texel nods | 09:06 | |
| texel | That was shortly after the fecking contest, IIRC. | 09:06 |
| texel | I seem to remember that. | 09:06 |
| johnx | texel, well, the 770 situation is kinda similar | 09:06 |
| texel | Eh. Not quite. That's deprecation of a hardware platform. | 09:06 |
| johnx | thankfully we aren't dependent on Nokia for forums | 09:06 |
| texel | Considerably different than carpet-bombing the entire community. | 09:07 |
| texel | I can understand the deprecation of a hardware platform. | 09:07 |
| johnx | not similar to the forum dropping, but similar to dropping a platform without open sourcing things to let people continue to use it without reverse engineering the hardware | 09:07 |
| texel | Ah. Point. | 09:07 |
| texel | But then, it's based again on the same series of CPUs, which is likely why they can't open source it. | 09:07 |
| texel | TI Omap chips are notorious for having nasty NDAs just to use the damn things. | 09:08 |
| johnx | yeah, they have NDAs out the wazoo I'm sure | 09:08 |
| texel | So I don't hold that against Nokia, honestly. | 09:08 |
| texel | They've done quite well with a limited legal status. | 09:08 |
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| texel | Much better than the ones before them, IMHO. | 09:08 |
| johnx | true, very true | 09:08 |
| batiestuta | texel:I want to find a video encode and decode library to use in maemo. Is ffmpeg a good choice | 09:08 |
| texel | No idea. | 09:08 |
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| johnx | texel, and they've held the community together pretty well, too. the distro-wars in zaurus-land were rather unfortunate | 09:10 |
| texel | batiestuta: I don't do video stuff on my N810, so I'm afraid I can't help you. | 09:10 |
| * texel nods | 09:10 | |
| texel | Agreed. | 09:10 |
| texel | Bleh. | 09:10 |
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| texel | So I guess that rant was prompted from all of the frustration I've had with SB. | 09:10 |
| batiestuta | Thank u all the same. | 09:11 |
| texel | Sure. | 09:11 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:11 |
| johnx | batiestuta, gstreamer is included on the tablets, but I don't think there is much support for encoding things on them | 09:12 |
| rm_you | i'm worried about my n800 >_> | 09:12 |
| KotCzarny | os it sick? | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | is | 09:13 |
| johnx | rm_you, about what? | 09:13 |
| batiestuta | I made little progroess with gstreamer for lack of documentation. | 09:13 |
| rm_you | well, remember i'd been complaining about it shutting off randomly a lot? | 09:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:13 |
| rm_you | i think it's something with movement >_> | 09:13 |
| johnx | :( | 09:13 |
| rm_you | like something loose possibly >_> | 09:13 |
| johnx | ugh | 09:13 |
| rm_you | like today i set it down on a table | 09:13 |
| rm_you | and it turned off right as it hit | 09:14 |
| rm_you | i' | 09:14 |
| rm_you | i'd never really been able to connect it with anything before | 09:14 |
| johnx | get that into Nokia right now (if it's still under warranty) | 09:14 |
| rm_you | other than, it turned off some time when it was in my pocket | 09:14 |
| texel | Hmm... Is the battery well seated? | 09:14 |
| rm_you | <_< | 09:14 |
| rm_you | i believe so | 09:14 |
| rm_you | i checked that a couple times | 09:14 |
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| rm_you | took it out, dusted the connectors, checked to make sure it was all nice... | 09:14 |
| texel | Haha =o) | 09:15 |
| texel | "dusted the connectors" | 09:15 |
| rm_you | but i will check it again | 09:15 |
| texel | You just gave me a flashback to the old NES days. =o) | 09:15 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:15 |
| rm_you | used a glasses cleaning microfiber cloth :P | 09:15 |
| johnx | :D | 09:15 |
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| texel | Yeah... Definitely sounds like a trip to Nokia is in order. | 09:15 |
| rm_you | >_> | 09:16 |
| texel | Though if you're adventurous, you could pop the battery, plug it into the charger and shake it to see if it exhibits the same problem. | 09:16 |
| texel | That would at least rule out the battery. | 09:16 |
| texel | Though sending it to Nokia's probably the best bet. | 09:17 |
| rm_you | but it doesnt always do it... | 09:17 |
| johnx | heat related | 09:18 |
| rm_you | in fact, i can't reproduce it right now... | 09:18 |
| johnx | maybe? | 09:18 |
| johnx | heat + movement? | 09:18 |
| texel | Hmm... That's a good point. | 09:18 |
| rm_you | but i know that of the three-four times it shut off when i was directly using it, it was related to moving it or setting it down | 09:18 |
| rm_you | i just didn't immediately recognize the pattern | 09:18 |
| rm_you | but yeah, i can never get it to repeat immediately afterwards, if i'm trying | 09:19 |
| johnx | it's got to get pretty warm in your pocket | 09:19 |
| rm_you | probably... | 09:19 |
| johnx | and when it shuts down it cools almost immediately | 09:19 |
| rm_you | hrm | 09:19 |
| rm_you | maybe | 09:19 |
| rm_you | i don't know if i've ever had it shut off overnight when charging | 09:19 |
| texel | How software-hacky are you feeling? | 09:19 |
| rm_you | i thought it had | 09:19 |
| johnx | send it in to Nokia and see if you can get them to give you a spare stylus while you're at it | 09:20 |
| rm_you | but i may just have not checked it after i took it out of my pocket and plugged it in | 09:20 |
| rm_you | ... and set it on my desk to do so | 09:20 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:20 |
| texel | Because if you're wanting to double check that, you could write a program to read the power control registers and log those to an MMC in sync mode... =o) | 09:20 |
| rm_you | ? | 09:20 |
| rm_you | power control levels? | 09:20 |
| texel | Then when it shuts off, you can examine the logs to see what the temp may have been. | 09:20 |
| texel | Yeah. | 09:20 |
| johnx | see if there is a weird power spike/drop right before it crashes? neat idea | 09:21 |
| rm_you | ah | 09:21 |
| rm_you | temperature levels? | 09:21 |
| rm_you | >_> | 09:21 |
| johnx | that too | 09:21 |
| texel | KotCzarny postulates that some of those registers might be temperature sensors. | 09:21 |
| rm_you | oh, they are | 09:21 |
| rm_you | theres an app to get the temp on an n800 | 09:21 |
| rm_you | on ITT | 09:21 |
| johnx | isn't it on nitapps.com ? | 09:21 |
| rm_you | i was putting it into my fake LCARS applet :P | 09:21 |
| johnx | along with battery status and light meter? | 09:21 |
| texel | I wouldn't doubt it, since it uses a Li-ion battery. | 09:21 |
| rm_you | yes | 09:21 |
| rm_you | along with those two | 09:22 |
| rm_you | ack! gotta sleep | 09:22 |
| texel | rm_you: are you the one that made the LCARS theme? O.o | 09:22 |
| rm_you | no, rofl | 09:22 |
| texel | Heh | 09:22 |
| rm_you | i just use it :P | 09:22 |
| texel | Okay -- just curious. =o) | 09:22 |
| rm_you | i made adv-backlight :P | 09:22 |
| rm_you | bah still havent released the lcars iconset for that | 09:22 |
| rm_you | i should at least release it in zipfile format for now so people can use it if they really want | 09:23 |
| rm_you | while i procrastinate on packaging it | 09:23 |
| texel | (Wow, it's getting late; 00:23 here) | 09:23 |
| texel | Beh. Bedtime. | 09:24 |
| johnx | 'night | 09:24 |
| texel | Thanks for putting up with my random rants and questions, guys. =o) | 09:24 |
| texel | Goodnight. =o) | 09:24 |
| johnx | sure :) | 09:24 |
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| christefano | it there a way to kill UKMP when it's in full screen mode? I can't seem to get out of this screen | 09:24 |
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| johnx | hit home key maybe? or hold the "back curly arrow" | 09:25 |
| rm_you | christefano: yeah, i really wish there was an exit button | 09:25 |
| rm_you | i'm very confused about the lack of one | 09:25 |
| johnx | don't you just hit escape/curly arrow? | 09:26 |
| cLin | how do you stop a process? | 09:26 |
| johnx | from the CLI? kill or killall | 09:26 |
| cLin | oh yea | 09:26 |
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| christefano | it's not responding to anything, even the home button | 09:26 |
| cLin | is there anyway to open browser in CLI and go to webpage? | 09:27 |
| christefano | is there a way to drop into a console? | 09:27 |
| johnx | christefano, nope | 09:27 |
| christefano | drat. looks like it's time to reset it | 09:27 |
| johnx | hold back curly arrow | 09:27 |
| johnx | for 10 seconds or so | 09:27 |
| johnx | just to see if that gets to it | 09:27 |
| johnx | WTH is that key called, BTW? | 09:27 |
| cLin | i call it escape | 09:28 |
| cLin | or curly arrow button | 09:28 |
| christefano | is it the one that's on a rocker switch or near the volume keys? | 09:28 |
| johnx | christefano, you on an N810? | 09:29 |
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| christefano | yup | 09:29 |
| johnx | ah | 09:29 |
| * johnx has an n800 | 09:29 | |
| johnx | let me see what button I'm thinking of... | 09:29 |
| johnx | on the lefthand side of the face, next to the screen, looks like a curly arrow | 09:30 |
| christefano | the one on the flat side on a rocker switch is called the escape key | 09:30 |
| johnx | right, but that doesn't describe what it looks like. :) seems to confuse the heck out of some people when I call it that | 09:31 |
| christefano | ah ha, that did it. the swap key opened a menu that allowed me to close UKMP | 09:31 |
| christefano | well, the menu had an X that allowed me to close it | 09:31 |
| johnx | should be able to hold home to get to the desktop too | 09:31 |
| christefano | you're right... the interface is hard to describe | 09:31 |
| johnx | home = swap | 09:31 |
| johnx | on the n800 it has a picture of a house | 09:32 |
| christefano | hmm. iterative design is supposed to improve things not change them entirely | 09:32 |
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| johnx | heh...well the buttons all send the same signals | 09:33 |
| johnx | they just look different :) | 09:33 |
| johnx | yeah, conversations between n800 owners and n810 owners are often hard to follow :) | 09:34 |
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| |tbb| | hi all | 09:51 |
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| |tbb| | anyone seen that http://www.modiphone.net/super-monkey-ball-on-the-iphone-video/ | 09:52 |
| johnx | yup | 09:52 |
| |tbb| | i wonder if that is possible on n8x0 i guess it is | 09:53 |
| johnx | probably not | 09:53 |
| |tbb| | powervr is the magic word | 09:53 |
| johnx | the iphone has a faster cpu and a faster gpu *even if* someone can make the powervr do anything | 09:53 |
| johnx | so, I'd say the answer is "probably not" :) | 09:54 |
| johnx | and no matter how hard ihpone devs hack it still won't get them usb host | 09:54 |
| johnx | both devices have their own strengths | 09:54 |
| |tbb| | the processor of ipodtouch and iphone is diffrent? | 09:54 |
| johnx | er...no | 09:55 |
| johnx | by both devices I meant iphone/itouch vs n800/n810 | 09:55 |
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| |tbb| | i had the ipod touch in hands there are tons of apps for it. the design of using the applications are fine, im really impressed about the size (8mm thick) | 09:57 |
| |tbb| | they did a good job | 09:57 |
| johnx | definitely | 09:57 |
| johnx | the keyboard didn't work so well for me | 09:57 |
| johnx | but other than that it looks fine | 09:57 |
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| johnx | it's still not an open platform though | 09:59 |
| johnx | and thus I have little interest in it | 09:59 |
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| jku | can anyone confirm if con_ic_event_get_iap_id() returns the mac address of the gateway (or some generated ID)? | 10:00 |
| |tbb| | now the sdk is out, there will be alot improvment | 10:01 |
| johnx | |tbb|, in some ways. They still can't connect anything to the dock connector "officially". people still can't distribute betas of their own apps. they can't use the cell network for voip, they can't use bluetooth for a keyboard | 10:02 |
| johnx | $99/year to have apple distribute your app | 10:02 |
| johnx | and if you want to hack around in things apple doesn't want you to you'll still have to find a new way to "root" your own device after every update | 10:02 |
| johnx | the iphone/itouch is nice, but open it's not | 10:02 |
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| |tbb| | yeah thats true, about voip they are doing something | 10:07 |
| |tbb| | anyway, anything new about the gps fix problem | 10:07 |
| johnx | nope, not that I've heard | 10:07 |
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| johnx | ah, right...I just remembered. No apps that can run interpreted code on the iphone/itouch | 10:09 |
| johnx | or anything that supports user addable plugins | 10:09 |
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| |tbb| | "interpreted code" what does that mean? | 10:15 |
| johnx | no python | 10:16 |
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| johnx | no scripts | 10:16 |
| |tbb| | btw, the youtube viewer is amazing, you can save the videos also after you jailbraked it, i wish it runs that smooth easy way on n8x0 | 10:17 |
| |tbb| | u can add it iirc bsd tools python and ruby runtime | 10:17 |
| johnx | if you jailbreak it | 10:17 |
| johnx | not with the sdk | 10:17 |
| |tbb| | yeah, true | 10:18 |
| KotCzarny | bedtime. bbl | 10:18 |
| johnx | it would be nice if other devices had access to the transcoded youtube videos that youtube did for apple | 10:18 |
| johnx | that would be neat | 10:18 |
| johnx | 'night KotCzarny | 10:18 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 10:18 |
| johnx | |tbb|, in a week or so the youtube plugin for canola will be out | 10:18 |
| johnx | I'm actually looking forward to that :D | 10:19 |
| |tbb| | does this means youtube convert the vidz for apple direct or apple convert it and let it download to iphone/touch users | 10:19 |
| johnx | youtube did it for apple, if I recall | 10:20 |
| johnx | they converted everything to h.264 so in a resolution the iphone could handle | 10:20 |
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| saturn_ | Where did you find the OMAP2420 documentation? | 10:46 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:48 |
| johnx | mornin' | 10:48 |
| |tbb| | morning | 10:48 |
| Jaffa | johnx: It's Â$99/year? I didn't read much in detail, but thought it was just $99 one-off. | 10:49 |
| johnx | pretty sure it's per year | 10:49 |
| Jaffa | Shucks. | 10:49 |
| johnx | might be wrong though | 10:49 |
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| johnx | wow...that intel silverthorne/atom things is not that fast... | 10:50 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:52 |
| johnx | hello | 10:52 |
| hrw | saturn_: on TI website | 10:52 |
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| christefano | johnx, the Garnet VM docs say that the escape/home key is the "back" button | 10:57 |
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| johnx | escape = back makes sense, but home = swap | 10:58 |
| christefano | have you used the Garnet VM? | 10:58 |
| johnx | briefly | 10:58 |
| johnx | I might care about it more if they did a proper scaled "fullscreen" mode | 10:59 |
| christefano | I'm not sure it's possible but I'm trying to get it to u... right :) | 10:59 |
| christefano | that's what I was about to say | 10:59 |
| johnx | also, I have my doubts about what they'll do with it in the future | 10:59 |
| christefano | yeah | 11:00 |
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| christefano | thanks for your help, johnx | 11:01 |
| johnx | sure :) | 11:01 |
| christefano | you too, GeneralAntilles | 11:01 |
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| saturn_ | hrw, I can't find it, just the overview PDF:s | 11:09 |
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| hrw | indeed ;( | 11:13 |
| hrw | I found thread on maemo-devel that there is no such thing as open omap2420 datasheet ;( | 11:14 |
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| saturn_ | oh crap.. how are we supposed to do development for it then... :( | 11:18 |
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| saturn_ | hrw, thanks for the info anyway! | 11:29 |
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| user123456 | how do I have my N810 automounting on boot the miniSD card which is in there | 12:18 |
| johnx | it should work "out of the box" | 12:18 |
| johnx | is your card formatted as FAT16/32 or something like ext2/3 | 12:18 |
| user123456 | ext i believe | 12:19 |
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| user123456 | i assume there is an init script that does this? | 12:20 |
| pupnik | make sure it is inserted fully | 12:20 |
| user123456 | it's in the dmesg | 12:20 |
| user123456 | just not mounted | 12:20 |
| johnx | yes, I'm pretty sure my card would actually automount even when formatted ext3 | 12:20 |
| Tama^2 | johnx: it normally does not AFAIK | 12:21 |
| johnx | the only thing to be sure is that the modules are getting loaded | 12:21 |
| Tama^2 | adding it to fstab should do the trick | 12:21 |
| johnx | Tama^2, will that mess with the magic automounting stuff for normal cards? | 12:22 |
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| Tama^2 | it does mess it you try to pull it out | 12:22 |
| johnx | actually, I'm sure that my ext3 card was getting automounted bcause I wished it wouldn't :D metalayer-crawler kept going nuts on it | 12:22 |
| Tama^2 | there are instructions on the wiki for changing the usb mount/umount scripts to deal with an ext3+fat32 partition on the same card | 12:23 |
| user123456 | ah yes, fstab has an entry for /mmcblk0p1 but not the miniSD /mmcblk1p1. | 12:23 |
| Tama^2 | :) | 12:23 |
| johnx | that's an interesting point...mine was ext3 only, just one big partition | 12:23 |
| Tama^2 | oh and I tried on my N800 so it may come with slightly different boot scripts.. maybe | 12:24 |
| johnx | Tama^2, I have an N800 | 12:24 |
| Tama^2 | I am maybe committing heresy: I am downloading the iphone SDK >.> | 12:24 |
| Tama^2 | I do not have an iphone though | 12:25 |
| Tama^2 | O:) | 12:25 |
| johnx | the whole "fanboy" thing amuses me | 12:25 |
| Tama^2 | all I want to figure out | 12:26 |
| Tama^2 | is if one is allowed to upload code to a real device | 12:26 |
| Tama^2 | without going through the itunes app shop | 12:26 |
| Tama^2 | (as long as one has the source code) | 12:26 |
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| Tama^2 | I really am not amused by the restrictions they imposed | 12:27 |
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| johnx | heh...that's why I don't see any need to ditch the n8x0 at this point in time | 12:28 |
| johnx | intel can't come up with a processor as light on batteries, the iphone is still closed in a lot of important ways | 12:28 |
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| Tama^2 | I decided to get the N800 because I could not be bothered fighting against the manufacturer to be aboe to use my own device | 12:28 |
| johnx | yeah, it's the same as the PSP situation | 12:29 |
| Tama^2 | exactly | 12:29 |
| johnx | I wonder if they'll get copy & paste support in the version2 firmware :D | 12:32 |
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| florian | hi dneary | 12:44 |
| dneary | hi florian | 12:44 |
| dneary | Pity you're not going to Austin | 12:44 |
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| florian | dneary: yes, this time that won't work... with a little bit of luck Nils might make it. | 12:46 |
| dneary | The luck has been had | 12:46 |
| dneary | He's on his way for a 2-for-1 deal | 12:46 |
| florian | heh, I din# | 12:47 |
| florian | oops | 12:47 |
| florian | I didn't know yet, even with my communication channels which are way shorter :-) | 12:48 |
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| pupnik | could someone try out pingus? it's the lemmings clone game where you save penguins. http://pupnik.de/pingus.html Should be a simple two-step install on OS2007 or 2008. | 12:51 |
| pupnik | installs game data to mmc2 so it should only take up about 1.5MB on your device | 12:52 |
| johnx | yeah, I'll install it right now as I wait for qemu to install stuff | 12:52 |
| pupnik | thanks | 12:53 |
| aquatix | morning all | 12:54 |
| johnx | the data will end up on internal or external sd card? | 12:54 |
| pupnik | internal mmc2 | 12:55 |
| johnx | good :) | 12:55 |
| johnx | external is a 64MB card for me :) | 12:55 |
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| * b0unc3 good morning | 12:57 | |
| johnx | mornin' | 12:57 |
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| Spakman | hello | 12:59 |
| johnx | hi | 13:00 |
| b0unc3 | guys, where I can get gpg or pgp for chinook sdk ? | 13:00 |
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| johnx | pupnik, this is pretty freakin' cool :D | 13:01 |
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| johnx | can be a little hard to click on such small moving targets, but there's nothing to be done about that... | 13:03 |
| pupnik | yeah i have some quibbles about ui issues | 13:03 |
| pupnik | creating a 'blocker' then selecting a different action type will instantly change your active blocker to that other action type | 13:04 |
| pupnik | so you first have to click into blank space before selecting a different action | 13:04 |
| johnx | ah | 13:05 |
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| johnx | how much hacking did you have to do to optimize this | 13:05 |
| johnx | ? | 13:05 |
| johnx | I remember this not being all that fast on my older athlon | 13:05 |
| pupnik | had to figure out how to deal with scons | 13:05 |
| ynezz | b0unc3: I think, that there's just osso-gpg and GnuPG http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2008-March/009618.html | 13:05 |
| pupnik | the rest of the optimization work is all grumbel | 13:05 |
| pupnik | turns out the gcc optimizations made a huge difference | 13:06 |
| pupnik | and my first builds weren't activating the gcc flags i'd chosen | 13:06 |
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| X-Fade | pupnik: Would you be interested to help beta test the maemo extras autobuilder? | 13:07 |
| hrw | o.. maemo autobuilder | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | hrw: You are welcome too ;) | 13:09 |
| hrw | impossible starts to begin | 13:10 |
| hrw | X-Fade: I have OE to build maemo stuff | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Yeah, I know. That is why I added the smiley.. | 13:10 |
| johnx | pupnik, it kind of ran away from me ... I think it might have used all available memory | 13:11 |
| johnx | ended in a watchdog reboot I think | 13:11 |
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| johnx | I'll play a couple more levels and see if it happens again... just for testing of course :) | 13:11 |
| pupnik | X-Fade: yes but right now i'm almost out of time | 13:12 |
| pupnik | X-Fade: url? | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?BuildMe&id=602&type=g <- temporary documentation. | 13:13 |
| pupnik | excellent | 13:13 |
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| pupnik | i have a few packages that might be 'extras quality' :) | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | The builder is in demo mode, so it will not end up in extras-devel yet. But will be shortly.. | 13:13 |
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| pupnik | will schedule this for ~20:00 GMT today | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: Ping me if you run into trouble or things are unclear.. | 13:14 |
| hrw | X-Fade: ever heard about 'devscripts' Debian package? | 13:15 |
| hrw | X-Fade: it contain some helper scripts which will be usable to notice on that page | 13:15 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: cool | 13:15 |
| hrw | debuild, dput | 13:15 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Hmm indeed, good point. | 13:16 |
| hrw | X-Fade: debuild do build, source and signing | 13:16 |
| johnx | pupnik, memory usage goes up as you play the game | 13:17 |
| pupnik | from level to level? | 13:17 |
| johnx | it goes up in levels as well | 13:18 |
| pupnik | it allocates mem for pingus | 13:18 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: You are welcome too, of course... | 13:18 |
| ynezz | oh I was installing pingus via apt and was wondering why it takes so long to finish and there's dialog 'Select location' pending :p | 13:18 |
| pupnik | ty for the info johnx | 13:18 |
| johnx | tell me if there is any more info I can give | 13:18 |
| pupnik | it installed ok? menu launcher worked? | 13:19 |
| johnx | yeah, worked great | 13:19 |
| pupnik | uh. heh cool | 13:19 |
| johnx | the ui is slick | 13:19 |
| johnx | and it runs really nicely at first too | 13:19 |
| johnx | but after a couple levels it's out of memory and I can't get enough free mem to run killall O_o | 13:20 |
| johnx | "killall pingusbin" gives me "-sh: cannot fork" | 13:21 |
| robtaylor | X-Fade: i dunno if you're interested but i have some patches to sbuild to allow building in scratchbox | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | robtaylor: I'm not sure what the current builder uses. Ed Bartosh is developing it.. | 13:25 |
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| mbuf | can we test gstreamer within scratchbox+Xephyr? | 13:32 |
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| hrw | I have stupid question | 13:35 |
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| hrw | scratchbox use qemu (userspace emulation) to run all utils during build? | 13:35 |
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| script | hrw: depends on the cpu-transparency method | 13:40 |
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| script | hrw: but for arm-targets probably: "yes" | 13:40 |
| zuh | Depends what is meant by "all utils" | 13:40 |
| script | well, that too | 13:40 |
| zuh | All arm-binaries, yes. Anything x86 (like the toolchain and whatever devkit tools you might have), no | 13:41 |
| script | e.g. /scratchbox/tools/bin/ls is a x86 binary, not an arm-binary | 13:41 |
| script | even with arm-tagets | 13:41 |
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| hrw | ok | 13:42 |
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| zuh | it's called cpu- _transparency_ for a reason ;) | 13:45 |
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| hrw | especially when maemo4 use ntpl and scratchbox use qemu which does not support it | 13:48 |
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| pupnik | johnx: os2007? | 13:49 |
| johnx | os2008 | 13:49 |
| kulve | Can I query the IP of the current connection through the ConIc API? | 13:50 |
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| pupnik_ | johnx: with swap after playing three levels i get about 83 MB swap used and then it stays there | 14:01 |
| johnx | ah, I've been trying to enable swap with no luck | 14:01 |
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| pupnik_ | maybe it'll be possible for grumbel to fix it to run in 128MB | 14:03 |
| pupnik_ | it does run using only ~40 MB at the outset | 14:03 |
| pupnik_ | this also explains the pauses i've been seeing | 14:03 |
| johnx | I wonder why the memory usage keeps going up, and doesn't drop between levels | 14:05 |
| pupnik_ | dunno | 14:05 |
| pupnik_ | i also see "maemo-launcher" sucking up ungodly memory in 'top' | 14:05 |
| johnx | top lies a little bit | 14:05 |
| pupnik_ | maybe maemo-launcher is including pingusbin's memory requirements in reporting? | 14:05 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 14:05 |
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| johnx | I think the top included doesn't show shared memory | 14:05 |
| pupnik_ | ok well pingus tops out at 108.2% of memory | 14:06 |
| johnx | it runs sooo nicely at first, the music is smooth too | 14:06 |
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| pupnik_ | uup no still crawling up... 117% | 14:07 |
| johnx | my gut reaction would be "memory leak" | 14:07 |
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| pupnik_ | I'll have to disable the editor | 14:28 |
| johnx | is that taking up a lot of memory? | 14:28 |
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| lopz | hi | 14:42 |
| johnx | hello | 14:42 |
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| pupnik_ | johnx: it doesn't work here - just hangs the game | 14:46 |
| johnx | ah | 14:46 |
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| pupnik | jott: do you detect a memory leak in your build? | 15:27 |
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| mbuf | what is the reason for this error in scratchbox? "undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_AsUnicode" | 15:29 |
| mbuf | trying Example 2.1 from here, http://pygstdocs.berlios.de/pygst-tutorial/playbin.html | 15:29 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:53 |
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| pupnik | ok i got one picture that will be of interest to some here. check the image on the wall. the thing on the desk is an omap3430 development board | 16:02 |
| pupnik | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2295711520/in/pool-beagleboard | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: Hehem well, there is no question that maemo runs on that new omap ;) | 16:04 |
| pupnik | hotel room, TI developer's conference afaik | 16:05 |
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| X-Fade | pupnik: I can only hope they will switch to a 1024x600 screen with native display controller ;) | 16:05 |
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| hrw | pupnik: so? | 16:06 |
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| pupnik | ah i'm wrong about the TIDC - the date is earlier | 16:07 |
| hrw | so we have new rumour - new tablet on omap3430 | 16:08 |
| shackan | and where did you hear that? | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Just looking at the announced phones is a lot easier ;) | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | Tablets are just phones with bigger screen and without gsm part .. | 16:08 |
| shackan | which means, they're not phones at all | 16:09 |
| X-Fade | shackan: Well, you can use them to call somebody :D | 16:09 |
| shackan | well, 99.9% of the time, no | 16:09 |
| hrw | pupnik: what you see on photo is not TI omap3430 devboard but beagleboard based on omap3430 | 16:09 |
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| hrw | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2285198817/in/pool-beagleboard/ is board itself | 16:10 |
| shackan | also, what phone drains the battery after it's connected for three hours? | 16:10 |
| pupnik | looks like a great little board :) | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | shackan: Every phone that also has wifi? | 16:11 |
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| X-Fade | pupnik: http://beagleboard.org/ | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | Or #beagle on freenode ;) | 16:12 |
| shackan | I know wifi isn't really battery friendly | 16:12 |
| pupnik | you can drop power down to 10mw | 16:12 |
| shackan | sure, but it still won't give you more than three hours of wifi | 16:13 |
| pupnik | i have had a n810 connected to wifi and being constantly pinged for something like 22 hours | 16:13 |
| lcdd | i think the battery life on wifi depend a lot on how busy the network is | 16:13 |
| lcdd | +s | 16:13 |
| dtahtbot` | lcdd: Error: "s" is not a valid command. | 16:13 |
| shackan | so even IF you happen to be hear a hotspot most of the time, it can't be used as a voip phone | 16:14 |
| lcdd | sigh | 16:14 |
| shackan | pupnik: well, I use it, connected to my laptop in adhoc, no encryption, nobody else on the network, just me surfing, and it doesn't last more than a couple of hours | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | shackan: That is what I use 3G for.. | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | Via BT. | 16:15 |
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| shackan | via BT it lasts a bit longer (5-6 hrs) | 16:15 |
| shackan | but still nowhere near 22 hours | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | It all depends on use. If it idles on wifi, I get 3 days orso.. | 16:16 |
| shackan | I just read my rss | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | As mauku client.. | 16:16 |
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| sKaBoy | adhoc uses a lot of power | 16:19 |
| shackan | mmm | 16:19 |
| shackan | how is it any different? | 16:19 |
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| sKaBoy | don't know, but i've heard it somewhere :) | 16:20 |
| scour- | umm im reading this connection tutorial (v4.0) on maemo.org and tried compiling it, it starts the connection fine but the event handler never gets executed. anyone know why? :\ | 16:21 |
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| pupnik | I have a memory leak. Can i use gdb or oprofile to show me which data structures are being allocated and not deallocated? | 16:37 |
| derf | No. | 16:37 |
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| derf | If you can run it on x86, you can use valgrind. | 16:37 |
| pupnik | ok thanks derf | 16:38 |
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| derf | Otherwise the standard approach is to make macros for malloc, calloc, realloc, and free, and have them keep track and report at the end. | 16:39 |
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| derf | But that's both a) complicated and b) error-prone (you have to make sure all code uses the macro). | 16:39 |
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| pupnik | i think i might not be able to do anything here | 16:44 |
| hrw | or switch from malloc/calloc/etc to library which do tracking | 16:44 |
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| pupnik | ok this is c++ and i see no malloc/calloc to instantiate objexts in the source | 16:53 |
| pupnik | so i'm guessing you're saying to replace something in the library | 16:53 |
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| hyphn | hi there - current 770 (2007HE) user here - looking to upgrade to a N810 (maybe), but looking for some performance comparisons... any pointers? | 17:14 |
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| Jaffa | hyphn: it's much much faster. | 17:18 |
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| Jaffa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=151583 looks very cool: easy to do semi-transparent widgets in Python on the desktop | 17:18 |
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| Lamia | hi | 18:16 |
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| Lamia | KotCzarny! | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | o, hai | 18:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:28 |
| Lamia | :( | 18:28 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/nokia_bg_lngcat.png another maemo background ... 'longcat' | 18:31 |
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| texel | Good morning, folks! | 18:33 |
| florian | hi texel | 18:33 |
| texel | Anybody in here using SB2 and sbrsh for development? | 18:34 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.slashgear.com/gallery/data_files/7/4/Nokia_N810_InternetTablet_1.jpg | 19:34 |
| KotCzarny | nice n800 mod | 19:34 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:34 |
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| texel | Mod? | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | black | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:35 |
| texel | Oh, you mean the black. | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | btw. uae4all works beautifully | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | but it uses oss for sound | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | which needs to be fixed | 19:36 |
| texel | Mm. | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | mouse is fully recognized | 19:36 |
| texel | But that's actually easier. =o) | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | how? | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | aoss segfaults | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | one could probably hack oss->sdl | 19:37 |
| texel | At least, compared to hacking in that horrible mess you were hacking in yesterday. | 19:37 |
| texel | Quite frankly, that was some of the worst C I've seen in a long, long time. | 19:37 |
| texel | But OSS endpoints are easy to identify. | 19:37 |
| KotCzarny | yes. /dev/dsp | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | which doesn't exists | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:38 |
| texel | I think ALSA provides a similar interface that needs a little initialization up front. | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | yes, aoss | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | but it segfaults | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:38 |
| texel | But isn't aoss that weird LD_PRELOAD hack? | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | do you know another way? | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | there was alsa-oss kernel module | 19:39 |
| texel | So that's not what I"m talking about. =op | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | but i don't see it in the kernel | 19:39 |
| texel | I'm talking about the actual ALSA APIs. | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | fe. changing: ioctl(sounddev, SNDCTL_DSP_SPEED, &rate); | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:39 |
| texel | IIRC, once you have the ALSA device /open/, it works very closely to that of /dev/dsp. | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | gah. | 19:40 |
| texel | It's been a while since I hacked with it, though. | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | i take my words back | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | x x < > OSS PCM (digital audio) API x x | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | is available | 19:40 |
| * KotCzarny goes to kernel compile | 19:40 | |
| KotCzarny | :> | 19:40 |
| texel | Hah | 19:40 |
| texel | =o) | 19:40 |
| texel | I wish you luck! | 19:40 |
| KotCzarny | should be quick module build :) | 19:41 |
| * texel has just about managed to get emacs to compile now | 19:41 | |
| texel | Still having trouble with sbrsh, though. | 19:41 |
| texel | Ie: "Warning: Executing binary with bogus working directory (/tmp) because sbrsh can only see /home/june/maemo-root and /home/june) | 19:41 |
| texel | " | 19:41 |
| KotCzarny | i never got around emacs long enough to like it | 19:42 |
| texel | Mm. | 19:42 |
| KotCzarny | mcedit is my editor of choice :) | 19:42 |
| inz | "I already have an OS, thank you very much" | 19:42 |
| texel | Heh | 19:42 |
| texel | Well, my goal is an attempt to hildonize it somewhat. | 19:43 |
| texel | I'm very close, but I have no idea why sbrsh isn't using the proper working directory. | 19:43 |
| texel | Which is causing the build to fail, since the command it's trying to run uses a relative pathname. | 19:43 |
| inz | And cputransp isn't enough? | 19:44 |
| texel | No. | 19:44 |
| texel | emacs uses segfaults to dump it's compiled lisp code. | 19:44 |
| texel | Causes qemu to go nuts. | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 19:44 |
| inz | ahh | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | now that's a hack. | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:44 |
| * texel shrugs | 19:44 | |
| inz | Truely sounds like one | 19:44 |
| texel | Lots of programs do that to dump state at a low level. | 19:45 |
| texel | Most self-hosting interpreted/compiled languages do that. | 19:45 |
| texel | Simply so they have a runnable image of their code on disk. | 19:45 |
| texel | It's one way to get a Perl "binary". =op | 19:45 |
| texel | I think Squeak does it as well. | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | still, segfault sounds like an error | 19:46 |
| KotCzarny | not a state-save | 19:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:46 |
| texel | Well, a segfault is really nothing more than a pointer that is being read or written to in a memory segment that isn't available to a program at that point in time. | 19:46 |
| texel | It's not necessarily a bad thing -- the kernel handles segfaults all the time. | 19:47 |
| texel | It just happens to swap in memory pages when it has them handy to continue processing. | 19:47 |
| inz | but it still sounds like using exceptions for program logic | 19:48 |
| texel | libc does it all the time, too. | 19:48 |
| texel | It's how most memory management works. | 19:48 |
| * texel shrugs | 19:48 | |
| texel | Anywho, valid or not, that's how emacs builds itself. =o) | 19:49 |
| KotCzarny | humhum | 19:49 |
| texel | So the core issue is getting sbrsh to work. | 19:49 |
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| ^jsn^ | hey does anyone know if there is an app that works on the n810 to receive sms messages from a cell phone? | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | you will have to change your cellphone service | 20:22 |
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| KotCzarny | to notify you by email about sms | 20:22 |
| aquatix | myeah, some phones can provide that info to a pc | 20:22 |
| aquatix | over bluetooth even | 20:22 |
| ^jsn^ | i know that you can send sms messages with phonelink but what about receiving them from your phone? | 20:22 |
| aquatix | so it's possible | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | ah, this way | 20:22 |
| aquatix | ^jsn^: see gammu? | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | i thought about receiving sms on n8x0 | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 20:23 |
| aquatix | or something | 20:23 |
| aquatix | not sure whether a port exists for maemo though | 20:23 |
| ^jsn^ | what is gammu? | 20:23 |
| aquatix | a program with which you can look at stuff in your phone | 20:23 |
| aquatix | address book, sms'es | 20:23 |
| aquatix | etc | 20:23 |
| aquatix | use google ;) | 20:23 |
| aquatix | gammu and wammu | 20:23 |
| aquatix | the one is the gui, other is a cli prog | 20:24 |
| aquatix | but as i said, not sure whether it's ported to maemo yet | 20:24 |
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| ^jsn^ | cool this looks promising thanks | 20:25 |
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| aquatix | you're welcome :) | 20:25 |
| LoCusF | gotta see if it compiles under scratchbox | 20:26 |
| LoCusF | there is a libmysql as a dependency | 20:27 |
| ^jsn^ | ok | 20:27 |
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| LoCusF | ^jsn^: it configured ok and is building now, I'll post it to ITT forums after some testing on my n810 | 20:34 |
| ^jsn^ | awesome | 20:35 |
| ^jsn^ | your a maemo dev? | 20:35 |
| LoCusF | ^jsn^: sorta | 20:36 |
| LoCusF | just a hobby by far :) | 20:36 |
| ^jsn^ | your building gammu and wammu? | 20:36 |
| LoCusF | just gammu | 20:36 |
| LoCusF | wammu would be too much of a brag | 20:36 |
| LoCusF | thus far :) | 20:36 |
| ^jsn^ | lol | 20:36 |
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| lcuk_2 | has anyone bothered with multi user capable apps for the nokia? | 20:38 |
| ^jsn^ | you mean like muntiple desktops? | 20:39 |
| Navi | Anyone know how to disable the onscreen keyboard when using synergy? I accidentally did it once | 20:39 |
| Navi | but I can't figure out how to do it again | 20:39 |
| lcuk_2 | jsn, no - more like multi user preferences | 20:39 |
| lcuk_2 | when i get to the machine i want things a certain way, when my missus uses it she does things differently | 20:40 |
| lcuk_2 | navi, do you use it normally or do you want osk disabled always? | 20:41 |
| ^jsn^ | lol tell her to get her own : ) | 20:41 |
| Navi | Well, I'm using the keyboard at the desktop at the moment | 20:41 |
| Navi | I just want to disable/enable it at will | 20:41 |
| lcuk_2 | theres an option inside the control panel, but its not something easily reachable - it could be something however done from a small wrapper program i think though | 20:42 |
| LoCusF | the package got built ok, now stripping some docs off | 20:42 |
| ^jsn^ | ok | 20:43 |
| Navi | lcuk_2, where is it? | 20:45 |
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| lcuk_2 | personalization/text input settings | 20:47 |
| Navi | I've checked there and don't see anything about it | 20:47 |
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| ^jsn^ | locusf when do you think your build of gammu will be available for download? | 20:52 |
| LoCusF | ^jsn^: I got it built now, now testing | 20:53 |
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| ^jsn^ | let me know how it turns out | 20:54 |
| LoCusF | ok | 20:54 |
| lcuk_2 | Text Input: On Screen tab: "Enable stylus input methods" and "Launch finger keyboard with finger tap" and also within the languages tab there is a settings button with other predictions things you can disable. i havent seen the OSK now since i unticked everything in these screens | 20:55 |
| Navi | I don't have "Enable stylus input methods" | 20:55 |
| lcuk_2 | which os are you using? os2008 here which might explain things | 20:55 |
| Navi | os2008 | 20:56 |
| lcuk_2 | n810 or 800? i wonder if its acting different if you have 800 and no other kb - i thought it was os dependent,not machine specific | 20:56 |
| Navi | N800 | 20:56 |
| lcuk_2 | might explain it then... | 20:56 |
| lcuk_2 | i dunno how then - as i said i thought it would be the same for same os but the flag must only be visible for 810 | 20:57 |
| Navi | I did it! | 21:01 |
| Navi | somehow >_> | 21:01 |
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| Navi | I smashed random buttons on my keyboard and it disabled the onscreen keyboard | 21:02 |
| Navi | and it's gone again :< | 21:03 |
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| Navi | ah, interesting | 21:07 |
| Navi | if you hold shift and hit space | 21:08 |
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| Navi | it disables the onscreen keyboard, do it again and it enables it. | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | magic. | 21:08 |
| Navi | Indeed | 21:08 |
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| lcuk_2 | excellent - like the rest of the linux system - undocumented goodness (until now when google picks up this chat) | 21:09 |
| Navi | Heh | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | anyone got any kind of oss sound emulation working? | 21:10 |
| lcuk_2 | but how do you hold shift and space on the 800 when you just disabled the osk o.O | 21:10 |
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| KotCzarny | lcuk: remap some key? :) | 21:11 |
| lcuk_2 | bit late if you do it accidentally and dont know how to get it on | 21:11 |
| KotCzarny | ssh | 21:11 |
| Navi | How about I turn it on before I disconnect the keyboard? | 21:11 |
| lcuk_2 | does it actually disable it if you do it from the osk | 21:11 |
| Navi | no, from a keyboard | 21:11 |
| lcuk_2 | it might revert itself if you unplug | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | but i guess it olny works for 810 | 21:12 |
| Navi | there is no unplug :P | 21:12 |
| lcuk_2 | but that would show intelligence beyond nokia ;) | 21:12 |
| Navi | I'm connected through synergy | 21:12 |
| KotCzarny | ie. listens for hw kb event | 21:12 |
| * lcuk_2 unplugs his hardware keyboard from his 810 then sees the flaw in his plan | 21:12 | |
| Navi | :/ | 21:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:13 |
| Navi | Anyways, good stuff | 21:13 |
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| Navi | I was getting annoyed having to use the enter key from the numpad | 21:13 |
| lcuk_2 | im gonna be upgrading to a big cheap linux laptop when i see one cheap enough | 21:13 |
| Navi | Now I just need the mouse cursor to be enabled and I'm good | 21:14 |
| lcuk_2 | its a shame most of the big ones use x86 though :( | 21:14 |
| Navi | :< | 21:14 |
| * lcuk_2 prefers arm | 21:14 | |
| Navi | Meh | 21:14 |
| lcuk_2 | navi, mouse is enabled i think, doesnt hildon just display a clear cursor as a hack | 21:15 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 21:15 |
| Navi | That's what I ment :P | 21:15 |
| h3sp4wn | Anyone know what arch the elonex "the one" uses | 21:15 |
| Navi | I disabled the mouse theme in the default settings | 21:16 |
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| Navi | which works for when I'm _not_ connected to synergy | 21:16 |
| lcuk_2 | it says "LNX code 8 mobile 300mhz processor" | 21:16 |
| Navi | but there goes the use :P | 21:16 |
| lcuk_2 | i was just admiring that and thinking for an extra 20-30 quid they could add touch | 21:16 |
| h3sp4wn | Yeah I saw that - its unlikely its arm | 21:17 |
| lcuk_2 | theres another one as well | 21:17 |
| lcuk_2 | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/03/06/gecube-shows-cheap-linux-tablet | 21:17 |
| lcuk_2 | they are really tking off | 21:17 |
| lcuk_2 | its a price war - people are snapping them up :) | 21:17 |
| KotCzarny | ugly | 21:17 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:17 |
| * lcuk_2 waits for the £200 mail in rebate on £99 laptops | 21:18 | |
| lcuk_2 | yer, but its got a bigger screen (10.2) and 512mb memory | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | that's 10" ? | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | the whole thing is a tank then | 21:18 |
| * KotCzarny admires his ibm x32 | 21:19 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:19 |
| lcuk_2 | thats the big brother model - my mistake | 21:19 |
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| Navi | annoying glossy screen :/ | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | that too | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | but 'shiny' | 21:20 |
| Navi | We all know how people fall for "shiny" | 21:20 |
| KotCzarny | yes, from the beginning of the time | 21:20 |
| lcuk_2 | i have to say though, for integration - the iphone sdk is looking rock solid | 21:20 |
| lcuk_2 | shame the screen res lets it down | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | The First GPS Navigation System for iPhone (video) | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 21:21 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4195 | 21:22 |
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| lcuk_2 | at least the iphone kinda knows where its going - we havent had any luck with gps on this | 21:22 |
| lcuk_2 | every journey we have tried it on the gps hasnt connected before we have arrived | 21:22 |
| Navi | lol | 21:23 |
| Navi | N810 reciever? | 21:23 |
| ynezz | You're talking about GPS, how to enable it manualy on N810? | 21:23 |
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| Austin | Mine takes forever to get a lock after you first power it on, but after that it's not bad at all. | 21:23 |
| LoCusF | crap jsn left :(((((( | 21:24 |
| lcuk_2 | sure, i can get it to work but my gf passed her driving test and isnt very knowledgable about the roads - she might be going on shortish journeys but the damned thing cant be relied upon to tell her where she is | 21:24 |
| f_mohr | ynezz settings/control pannel/gps location | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | 'you are >< here | 21:24 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 21:24 |
| ynezz | here it's also ok after the first fix | 21:24 |
| ynezz | f_mohr: I mean from xterm | 21:24 |
| lcuk_2 | but that first fix takes longer than the original journey | 21:25 |
| ynezz | true | 21:25 |
| lcuk_2 | other gps units are fixed and work perfectly after just a couple of minutes | 21:25 |
| ynezz | yep | 21:25 |
| Navi | Cool, clipboard carries over from the PC to N800 | 21:25 |
| f_mohr | i was looking for that too .. no idea yet (wanted to use my logger script on the n810 too) | 21:25 |
| lcuk_2 | its an embarrassment tbh - i cant whip it out and go "look it does gps" | 21:26 |
| ynezz | hm, maybe I could use strace to watch what's doing | 21:26 |
| Navi | lcuk_2, you have to plan it an hour or so ahead of time | 21:26 |
| Navi | like | 21:26 |
| ynezz | no you can't, it's crap | 21:26 |
| ynezz | :) | 21:26 |
| Navi | "Give me an hour, I'll show you something cool" | 21:26 |
| * Navi doesn't have an N810 so he doesn't really care | 21:27 | |
| lcuk_2 | maybe if i am facing the right direction | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4192 | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 21:27 |
| lcuk_2 | her boyfriend is a hardman | 21:28 |
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| lcuk_2 | if i hadnt got the 810 through work i would have returned it by now - i dont wanna tell them i have problems with it - the rest is perfect - it does what its meant to and has full use around the house, but i got it in part because of the gps | 21:29 |
| lcuk_2 | can we talk directly to the gps chip, or does it come through on the bluetooth bus? | 21:30 |
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| lcuk_2 | supercoder 2000 http://lh6.google.ca/abramsv/R6a_wO9HrRI/AAAAAAAAGQM/xf0d3TbtGqc/s1600-h/1818973829_94fac2c358_o.jpg | 21:33 |
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| SmackPotat | tuco | 22:09 |
| Tuco | SmackPotat | 22:09 |
| ynezz | lcuk_2: cat /var/lib/gps/gps_serial_ports it seems to be connected via serial line and put on/off via some ioctl | 22:09 |
| ynezz | lcuk_2: dunno exactly, just examining strace output now | 22:09 |
| SmackPotat | cat /dev/ttyS0 but i dont know what you could say | 22:10 |
| ynezz | ? | 22:10 |
| ynezz | gps is /dev/pgps | 22:10 |
| SmackPotat | ya /dev/pgps/ puts out gps sentances whatever they are | 22:12 |
| SmackPotat | /dev/ttyS0 controls the gps i think | 22:12 |
| ynezz | nope | 22:13 |
| SmackPotat | k | 22:13 |
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| ynezz | I wonder what's that write(4, "AUTH EXTERNAL 3239393939\r\n", 26) = 26 | 22:14 |
| shackan | DBUS ? | 22:16 |
| ynezz | seems so | 22:18 |
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| h3sp4wn | Is there any tricks to extend the range of the nokia 770 | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | open it and install external antenna? | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:24 |
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| h3sp4wn | Seems wierd both my laptops can see the campus wide wifi just fine | 22:25 |
| h3sp4wn | (and I can see other networks) | 22:25 |
| SmackPotat | put it at the focal point of a parabolic shaped fiying pan | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | but from my experience it's sensitivity is superior to my laptop | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | (thinkpad) | 22:25 |
| h3sp4wn | Really I have a thinkpad X31 | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | i have x32 | 22:25 |
| h3sp4wn | (Atheros wifi and its great) | 22:25 |
| * KotCzarny purrs | 22:25 | |
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| KotCzarny | 2295 here | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | intel | 22:26 |
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| h3sp4wn | Its wierd its cisco pretty decent stuff | 22:27 |
| h3sp4wn | I can see loads of belkin and linksys stuff all over the place though | 22:28 |
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| SmackPotat | ynezz do you know how much the gps chip actually does | 22:28 |
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| Veggen | where does ruby for maemo live now? | 23:03 |
| pupnik | watch for the big dildo | 23:05 |
| t_s_o | http://qgrab.com/digg/Corporate_Linux.jpg | 23:08 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: have you seen uae4all_gp2x_0.7.2a? :> | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | compiles/runs fine, though needs oss | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | and some key mappings update | 23:09 |
| KotCzarny | but is very fast | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | ~50fps :> | 23:10 |
| pupnik | good | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | with 320x240 scaled to 640x480 | 23:10 |
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| KotCzarny | (: | 23:10 |
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| pupnik | did you build it KotCzarny ? | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:10 |
| pupnik | can i host it on my site or do you want to host it? | 23:10 |
| KotCzarny | it still needs work | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | ie. hacking in alsa support | 23:11 |
| pupnik | ok thanks for working on it | 23:11 |
| KotCzarny | i was just looking for a mousehack fix | 23:12 |
| cLin | good afternoon fellas | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | and found this gem | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | -rwxrwxr-x 1 1003 102 634692 Mar 7 12:00 uae4all | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | it's very small too | 23:12 |
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| KotCzarny | and supports tablet mouse out of the box | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:13 |
| KotCzarny | but this sound issue is getting me | 23:13 |
| pupnik | you're a new shining star in the cool stuff area KotCzarny | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:19 |
| pupnik | but i think you can get much brighter | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | as soon as i learn oss/alsa and sdl | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:20 |
| fysa | KotCzarny: you were able to compile uae4all out of the box? | 23:22 |
| fysa | from the gp2x port? | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:23 |
| fysa | that is most excellent news. | 23:23 |
| KotCzarny | i only added sdl pixel doubling | 23:23 |
| fysa | very nice | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | superfrog loaded up to welcome screen | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | joystick isn't mapped to d-pad | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | so i wasn't able to test it further | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | also i tested mouse in workbench | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | a little off but otherwise perfect | 23:24 |
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| KotCzarny | so maybe i repeat my question, have anyone got oss working ? | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | direct or with alsa/esd emulation? | 23:26 |
| fysa | I was able to compile alsa-oss and make install in scratchbox | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | aoss segfaults | 23:27 |
| fysa | but haven't tested | 23:27 |
| fysa | when? | 23:27 |
| t_s_o | hmm, that iphone sdk seems to have some nasty limitations... | 23:27 |
| fysa | when you play, or just run? | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | dsp_protocol_open_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm3 | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | that's when i test it with mplayer | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | dsp_protocol_open_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm3 | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | Segmentation fault | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | and that's with uae4all | 23:28 |
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| fysa | alsa-oss_1.0.14-1.tar.gz | 23:30 |
| fysa | is what I built | 23:30 |
| fysa | running the "aoss" command returns fine, but I haven't tried playing anything. | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | aoss is a simple script | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | that uses ld_preload | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | so it doesn't do anything | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | without a param | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | i tested .14 and .15 | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | both fail in the same way | 23:31 |
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| fysa | do you have /dev/dsp*? | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | kernel alsa driver doesn't do pcm | 23:31 |
| KotCzarny | only mixer and some controls | 23:32 |
| fysa | ah | 23:32 |
| fysa | that could be why I have /dev/dsp1 on scratchbox and couldn't get it to come up on the device. | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | that's why snd_pcm_oss doesn't work too | 23:32 |
| fysa | you think a kernel with working alsa would help? | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | definitely | 23:33 |
| fysa | someone had a replacement kernel building with smb/nfs, maybe we can get them to configure alsa and rebuild. ;) | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | hmm? | 23:33 |
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| KotCzarny | no, unless you have alternative driver at hand | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | the one from kernel source doesn't do pcm | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | only some magic | 23:34 |
| fysa | someone built a custom kernel with proper smb/fuse | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | yes, it's not a problem | 23:34 |
| fysa | but packaging anything like that isn't going to fly unfortunately | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | i run my custom kernel too | 23:34 |
| KotCzarny | you can package kernel module | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | in a deb | 23:35 |
| fysa | I suppose.. | 23:35 |
| fysa | that would work. | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | as long as you include kernel version as a req | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | but still | 23:35 |
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| KotCzarny | you need a working driver | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:35 |
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| KotCzarny | i have heard about esound-oss | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | but it looks abandoned/missing | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | ie. i can't find it anymore | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | if someone has porting oss app to alsa howto it would be great | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:37 |
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| h3sp4wn | Be nicer to just get OSS 4 working on arm | 23:43 |
| KotCzarny | this or either way | 23:44 |
| KotCzarny | as long it works | 23:44 |
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| KotCzarny | hhmm | 23:59 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder how mplayer -ao alsa works | 23:59 |
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