IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-03-05

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drjnut	Hi! does anyone achieved to record video on n810?	00:02
drjnut	I used gstreamer along with the hantro4200enc, but quality is poor...	00:03
livinded	using the camera?	00:03
livinded	I think it's just a shitty camera	00:03
KotCzarny	use mplayer	00:03
KotCzarny	:)	00:03
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drjnut	KotCzarny, mplayer?	00:04
KotCzarny	erm. mencoder	00:04
drjnut	ok	00:04
ds3	there is a update/beta camera app that suppose to do video	00:04
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drjnut	how do I select video0 for input? (I'm used to mencoder on the pc)	00:04
KotCzarny	exec mencoder -nosound -o cam.avi \	00:04
KotCzarny	-noautoexpand \	00:04
KotCzarny	-ofps 10 \	00:04
KotCzarny	tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=176:height=144:device=/dev/video0 \	00:04
KotCzarny	-sws 0 -vf yuvcsp \	00:04
KotCzarny	-ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:turbo	00:04
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KotCzarny	if you need sound just google for mencoder options	00:05
drjnut	KotCzarny, thx a lot	00:05
drjnut	I'll be fine	00:05
KotCzarny	:)	00:05
drjnut	I tested mplayer with tv:// but it said tv wasn't compiled in, so I dropped it	00:05
drjnut	I like to see what it does on mplayer before using mencoder	00:06
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KotCzarny	drjnut: just for your info: i had to recompile mencoder	00:06
drjnut	ach!!	00:06
drjnut	ok	00:06
drjnut	:-)	00:06
KotCzarny	if you want a binary i can give you it	00:06
KotCzarny	:)	00:06
KotCzarny	btw. cam. in nokia is exposed as regular v4l2 device	00:06
drjnut	yep	00:06
KotCzarny	do any program you have used on pc will work	00:06
KotCzarny	*so	00:07
* drjnut 's mum told him not to accept binary from strangers		00:07
KotCzarny	then compile it yourself	00:07
KotCzarny	:)	00:07
drjnut	yhx a lot	00:07
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drjnut	s/yhx/thx/	00:07
infobot	drjnut meant: thx a lot	00:07
KotCzarny	you will have to fix it though in a few places	00:08
drjnut	infobot is clever!!!	00:08
drjnut	no problem	00:08
KotCzarny	mostly undefined variables	00:08
KotCzarny	just copy them from mplayer.c i guess	00:08
KotCzarny	worked for me ;)	00:08
drjnut	ok	00:09
drjnut	What is the best resolution one can achieve on playing videos on n810? using which codec?	00:09
drjnut	I saw 400x240 works fine	00:10
KotCzarny	yes	00:10
drjnut	but I'd like to go HD :-)	00:10
KotCzarny	but only ~4fps	00:10
KotCzarny	on n800	00:10
KotCzarny	:)	00:10
drjnut	oOps...	00:10
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KotCzarny	;)	00:10
KotCzarny	btw.	00:10
Navi	Why go HD on a screen that's only 800x480?	00:10
KotCzarny	for playing i achieved 23fps at 720x448	00:10
KotCzarny	;)	00:10
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drjnut	good!	00:11
Navi	What a waste of mah pixelz	00:11
drjnut	Navi, it was just a joke!	00:11
Navi	drjnut, liar	00:11
GeneralAntilles	Navi, no transcoding. :)	00:11
Navi	zomg	00:11
KotCzarny	225dpi screen looks cute :>	00:11
drjnut	french guys likes to joke	00:11
KotCzarny	that 4fps was about camera speed	00:12
KotCzarny	;)	00:12
drjnut	Navi, btw, 800x480 ~= 480p	00:12
spirytusick	drjnut: well on out IT's HD usually means Horribly Delayed...	00:12
GeneralAntilles	480p isn't HDTV	00:12
Navi	Still not high definition	00:12
Navi	just EDTV	00:12
GeneralAntilles	^	00:12
spirytusick	HD starts at 720p afaik	00:12
drjnut	oh my...	00:13
drjnut	I didn't want to start a resolution war...	00:13
spirytusick	:-)	00:13
drjnut	I said HD (not HDTV) with respect to 400x240	00:13
KotCzarny	:)	00:14
KotCzarny	i'm just happy with ~vga res vids	00:14
drjnut	If I want to watch HDTV, I use my 24" (1280p)	00:14
KotCzarny	i'm shortsighted anyway	00:14
KotCzarny	:)	00:14
* drjnut wears big glasses		00:14
Tama^2	my HD has more pixels than yours >.>	00:14
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drjnut	Tama^2, !!!	00:14
drjnut	I must go buy another one	00:15
spirytusick	KotCzarny: I normally encode at 400x240 .. suits me ok. I've got a pair of glasses free with 12p themes package :)	00:15
KotCzarny	:)	00:15
drjnut	bigger, stronger, faster	00:15
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spirytusick	drjnut: gotta be carefull when looking into the sun... :)	00:15
spirytusick	drjnut: spontaneous sunlight focusing can do terrible harm :)	00:16
drjnut	spirytusick, I'm a vampire... the sun never sees ùe	00:16
drjnut	s/ùe/me/	00:16
infobot	drjnut meant: spirytusick, I'm a vampire... the sun never sees me	00:16
spirytusick	drjnut: especially in your case :)	00:16
leif__	yuck: http://news.google.com/news?q=silverlight+%22internet+tablet%22	00:16
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drjnut	spirytusick, which codec do you use? I'd like to use theora, but had no time to test (got my 810 last friday)	00:17
spirytusick	i stick with a tablet-encode script. easy, does batch converting and saves me the trouble of memorizing mencoder cli switches...	00:18
KotCzarny	p.O	00:18
Tama^2	"Nokia will also make Silverlight available on its Series 40 devices and its Internet Tablet devices, the companies are expected to announce Tuesday."	00:18
KotCzarny	what's that silverlight thing?	00:18
spirytusick	KotCzarny: like flash but ms made... a bit	00:18
drjnut	spirytusick, ok	00:18
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Tama^2	finally professionally written reliable software for the tablets... not	00:18
drjnut	I like to use gstreamer, so I'll try to find good settings	00:19
spirytusick	well hildon-active-desktop will propably follow :)	00:19
drjnut	silverlight is very bad for my vampire's eyes	00:19
KotCzarny	hmm	00:20
KotCzarny	i guess it can be uninstalled	00:20
KotCzarny	:)	00:20
spirytusick	Tama^2: bringin your machine to its knees at no extra cost... :)	00:20
leif__	silverlight is Microsoft being jealous of Adobe's success in making the web less open	00:20
pupnik	duke3d is now a lot faster thanks to sol's work tonight	00:20
* spirytusick salutes sol		00:20
KotCzarny	:)	00:20
drjnut	when will duke nukem forever be released on maemo?	00:20
KotCzarny	i would welcome ami/ps1 emulation ~30fps	00:20
spirytusick	pupnik: hey hey :)	00:20
spirytusick	KotCzarny: I would settle for ami emulation at a500 speeds but with sound :)	00:21
KotCzarny	yes	00:21
KotCzarny	but 25fps pls	00:21
KotCzarny	:)	00:21
spirytusick	KotCzarny: I can't wait for that :) yep 2 pal frames will do...	00:21
pupnik	have any of you tried OSEmuTech's euae yet?	00:22
KotCzarny	btw. nokia's screen is refreshed @51hz i guess	00:22
spirytusick	pupnik: did not have time, I doubt is that much faster though. it might be more compatibilie as e-uae includes some fixes from winuae which is probably the only amiga emulator being actively developped	00:22
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spirytusick	pupnik: but the weekend is closer rather than later now, so I guest I will have to find out.	00:23
spirytusick	pupnik: frankly, I cant wait :)	00:23
spirytusick	upss I meant the weekend is closer than it was yesterday :)	00:24
pupnik	yeah. well the uae frontend is usable - but doesn't have game profiles	00:24
* spirytusick needs more coffe		00:24
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pupnik	You're older than you've ever been also	00:24
KotCzarny	yeah. food time	00:24
spirytusick	pupnik: your front end works perfectly. I've noticed that it does not remember settings though	00:25
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spirytusick	pupnik: rom path is rememberd but other settings just tend to get lost	00:26
KotCzarny	i though e-uae fixed it's gui	00:26
KotCzarny	:)	00:26
KotCzarny	*thought	00:26
pupnik	i would be happy if someone else wants to work on it	00:27
spirytusick	it's tough thinking at 11pm we know :)	00:27
KotCzarny	i will do	00:27
KotCzarny	when i get to it	00:27
spirytusick	btw any of you guys are using jaiku ?	00:28
KotCzarny	i'm not	00:28
KotCzarny	what's that	00:28
KotCzarny	?	00:28
spirytusick	KotCzarny: a twitter/bloging client. It feels a little like im or irc conversation albeit considerably delayed, but seems ok when one is on the move, it's not overloaded like facebook and all those crappy social sites	00:29
KotCzarny	:)	00:29
GeneralAntilles	I used it for a while.	00:29
GeneralAntilles	Then got tired of it.	00:29
Navi	Social sites are tiring	00:30
KotCzarny	irc is the way of the future!!1!!!!1	00:30
KotCzarny	innocent	00:30
spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: Well I suppose i will get tired too :)	00:30
Navi	I don't like having to clean off my wall when someone writes on it	00:30
Veggen	KotCzarny: I do my IM through IRC, btw. bitlbee rules :)	00:31
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spirytusick	KotCzarny: I must say I love irc, i rember years ago, when were was no web and the only ways of getting files was either ftp or gopher... we've had this very old dos irc client called trumpet	00:31
spirytusick	great times,	00:31
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spirytusick	takeovers, wars... etc.	00:31
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KotCzarny	dos, pf	00:31
KotCzarny	:)	00:31
spirytusick	then we all switched to ircii with phoenix script if I remember correctly...	00:32
spirytusick	good times :) Irc was not so crowded then	00:32
Veggen	spirytusick: takeover wars stopped being fun after not too long.	00:32
spirytusick	Veggen: early times were good :) there were no bots then, or at least very very few of them	00:32
Veggen	true.	00:32
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spirytusick	Veggen: takeovers would look like 20 guys in the lab, all sitting at their pc's, and simultaneously deoping people... heh... I am too old :)	00:33
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spirytusick	enough sentiments :)	00:34
KotCzarny	a little	00:34
KotCzarny	:)	00:34
Veggen	spirytusick: Actually, when I started, there were rarely 20 people on IRC simultaneously from my country, and certainly not in the same lab ;)	00:34
spirytusick	Veggen: we were sitting in the uni labs, which were open 24/7, lot's of smoke and beer all over. early internet days.. you could call it an internet bar :)	00:35
spirytusick	although a polish word 'speluna' would be probably more apropriate :)	00:36
b0unc3	guys, HILDON == 1 stands for chinook or bora ?	00:36
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drjnut	anyone tried to port aptitude?	00:37
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KotCzarny	i have seen someone mentioning it yesterday	00:37
Veggen	drjnut: hmm, shouldn't be too hard?	00:37
KotCzarny	had some conflicts	00:37
KotCzarny	but you're welcome to try :)	00:37
spirytusick	ok guys, gotta hit the showers.. another day at work beckons... see you tommorow	00:38
Veggen	drjnut: I backported hildon-application-manager from svn yesterday.	00:38
drjnut	ah, I already got too many projects on my roadmap	00:38
pupnik	cheers spirytusick	00:38
drjnut	Veggen, yeah, saw this in your blog	00:38
spirytusick	nite Arnim, see you here 2morrow	00:39
spirytusick	Kocie, 3m sie, do jutra	00:39
KotCzarny	ic ic	00:39
KotCzarny	:)	00:39
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Deformative	How do I figure out what version I have?	00:43
KotCzarny	uname -a	00:44
KotCzarny	or just go to settings and 'about product'	00:44
Deformative	Does not say 4.x or such	00:44
KotCzarny	and what does it say?	00:44
Deformative	2006	00:45
KotCzarny	old.	00:47
KotCzarny	:)	00:47
Deformative	Is there anything newer for 770?	00:48
KotCzarny	yes	00:48
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KotCzarny	os2007he	00:48
Veggen	Deformative: nothing official, but I hear people like the "hacker editions".	00:48
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KotCzarny	but it can be unstable	00:48
Veggen	KotCzarny: isn't there a new os2008he too?	00:48
Deformative	Exactly.	00:49
KotCzarny	otoh it can have a candy factor	00:49
KotCzarny	:)	00:49
KotCzarny	veggan: i don't know..	00:49
KotCzarny	probably	00:49
KotCzarny	:)	00:49
KotCzarny	deformative: in any way, it's 99% safe [tm]	00:50
KotCzarny	so you can flash back and forth	00:50
Deformative	Ugh, my 770 seems especially slow lately.	00:50
Deformative	Don't know why.	00:50
KotCzarny	top/dmesg	00:50
KotCzarny	:)	00:50
buzzinfly	anyone know how to keep power to the wlan in a N810 using 2.2007.51-3?	00:50
KotCzarny	turn off power saving	00:51
KotCzarny	or at least lighten it	00:51
Deformative	KotCzarny: How?	00:51
Veggen	KotCzarny: mmm, it's in the advanced settings of the network connection.	00:51
KotCzarny	veggan: probably :)	00:51
buzzinfly	how do you turn off power saving?	00:51
KotCzarny	deformative: run xterm	00:52
KotCzarny	then type: top	00:52
KotCzarny	in it	00:52
buzzinfly	i've set the wlan_timeout gconf key to 0	00:52
Deformative	I mean the power saving	00:52
KotCzarny	oh	00:52
buzzinfly	as described in http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/18057	00:52
KotCzarny	veggen's suggestion is right	00:52
KotCzarny	:)	00:52
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Veggen	buzzinfly: you have settings on the connections.	00:53
Veggen	buzzinfly: just open a wifi connection, then next until it's on the "completed" screen, there you have a choice for "Advanced".	00:54
buzzinfly	my idle time is unlimited	00:54
Veggen	it's not idle time.	00:54
KotCzarny	power saving option	00:55
KotCzarny	it's there somewhere	00:55
Veggen	you need to edit the specific connections, i.e. the connection for your home wlan.	00:55
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KotCzarny	it's w advanced/orher	00:56
buzzinfly	this wlan is not joining a network and is in rfmon mode with airodump-ng	00:56
KotCzarny	other	00:56
KotCzarny	there's 'power saving drop down'	00:56
Veggen	buzzinfly: oh, then you'll need to do it with iwconfig.	00:56
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Deformative	All my wireless stuff is already unlimited	00:56
KotCzarny	on (max) / on (intermediate) / off	00:56
Veggen	buzzinfly: I think.	00:57
KotCzarny	if it's on(max) then it turns off wifi when idle	00:57
KotCzarny	i think	00:57
KotCzarny	setting to on(intermediate) helped with my ssh lag	00:58
KotCzarny	;)	00:58
buzzinfly	anyone know anything about init script priority?	00:58
KotCzarny	it's in /etc/rc2.d/	00:59
Deformative	I think I know what it is.	00:59
Deformative	I think I have a very slow mmc card.	00:59
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johnx	buzzinfly, lower Snn numbers are executed first	01:00
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buzzinfly	so in the scenario of using an n810 as a passive monitor, should i delete the startup scripts for wlancond? or should it be run before or after my airodump-ng script?	01:01
johnx	if you kill off wlancond while the N810 is running does it cause a reboot?	01:02
KotCzarny	buzzinfly: just stop it	01:02
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KotCzarny	via /etc/rc2.d/script_name stop	01:02
KotCzarny	later you can restart it	01:02
Deformative	Is there a browser that locks up less than opera mobile?	01:03
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KotCzarny	deformative: upgrade	01:03
KotCzarny	:)	01:03
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KotCzarny	in 2008 there's no opera	01:03
spirytusick	re :)	01:03
KotCzarny	i guess webkit and mikrob are replacements	01:03
Deformative	Can't I get a browser in just a package?	01:03
Klotz	Wondering if someone can help me, I just got my n800 and want to put xchat on it, but i have no idea about repositories and what not	01:03
KotCzarny	if it's available for a 2006..	01:03
KotCzarny	:)	01:03
johnx	Klotz, have you upgraded to OS2008 yet?	01:04
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Klotz	johnx - Yes I have	01:04
johnx	ok, there's a beta for OS2008 (aka chinook). google for xchat chinook beta	01:04
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johnx	first result	01:04
buzzinfly	am i right in thinking the default gpsd on a n810 is completely shagged?	01:04
johnx	download and click on the file :)	01:04
KotCzarny	nope	01:04
KotCzarny	it's probably software fixable	01:05
Klotz	thank you johnx	01:05
johnx	KotCzarny, gpsd != gps :P	01:05
KotCzarny	if someone happens to think of a way	01:05
jku	buzzinfly, it's quite heavily patched but works pretty much as well/badly as on other systems IMHO	01:05
johnx	buzzinfly, it apparently does some weird things	01:05
KotCzarny	johnx: :)	01:05
spirytusick	Klotz: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ there are some bulds of xchat there, not very recent and I have not tested them yet	01:05
johnx	me neither, but I've heard they work	01:06
lcuk	i use that on my 810	01:06
GeneralAntilles	They're fine.	01:06
spirytusick	i use irssi on the tablet but its a question of preference	01:06
lcuk	zeus server has been around a while and GeneralAntilles has been spamming it for ages ;) if i didnt know better i would say he is on a commission	01:06
GeneralAntilles	If only.	01:07
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buzzinfly	anyone heard of a djb's daemontools port for n810? or any arm for that matter	01:08
GeneralAntilles	MyPaint has the annoying habit of connecting the dots when you start drawing in a new place. :\	01:08
lcuk	how do i stop my 810 from entering power saving on the cpu? - if i perform a really fast mem copy for every glyph it goes slow, but if i include an extra dummy operation it renders much quicker	01:08
KotCzarny	lcuk: change cpufreq governor	01:09
KotCzarny	cd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/	01:09
KotCzarny	and look aroung	01:09
KotCzarny	around	01:09
KotCzarny	:)	01:09
lcuk	thx :)	01:09
johnx	buzzinfly, I wonder what is holding up an ARM port of those O_o	01:09
lcuk	ive been pulling hair out wondering why code which IS fast has been going slow	01:10
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KotCzarny	you can set a min freq to a 400, but that will be bad for the battery	01:10
GeneralAntilles	That's not a solution for release, though.	01:10
lcuk	i just wanna know whether the algo is faster at the moment	01:10
johnx	I think there's a way in code to request a certain frequency...	01:10
johnx	or maybe only for the DSP	01:10
KotCzarny	johnx: cpufreq :)	01:10
johnx	KotCzarny, without being root	01:11
KotCzarny	scaling_max_freq / scaling_min_freq	01:11
johnx	KotCzarny, yeah :P I've only know about that for 3 years...	01:11
lcuk	the goal is to get the fastest rendering algorythm, HOWEVER when it has no input and the display is static it will just fall into an xNextEvent waiting pattern and leave the static screen alone - cpu will drop back	01:11
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lcuk	so i want to get the stuff on the screen as fast as possible but also want to then go as slow as possible	01:11
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KotCzarny	'known'	01:12
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KotCzarny	:)	01:12
lcuk	i might just leave my dummy math function in it - it doesnt involve messing and keeps the cpu busy enough to not drop down	01:12
* lcuk will give it a silly hack comment :)		01:13
KotCzarny	lcuk: dd </dev/urandom >/dev/null	01:13
johnx	KotCzarny, now you get to wonder whether I mess up my grammar on porpoise just to get a reaction from you :D	01:13
GeneralAntilles	Dude, Kot, nobody needs you to correct for them. :\	01:13
KotCzarny	porpoise is a kind of turtle	01:13
KotCzarny	afair	01:13
KotCzarny	;)	01:13
KotCzarny	ga: but it's not for them, it's for me	01:13
KotCzarny	i have photo-mem	01:13
johnx	GeneralAntilles, he's just learned this stuff and he's showing off :D	01:14
KotCzarny	if i see bad grammar i will start making mistakes sooner or later	01:14
spirytusick	KotCzarny: Have you got a usb port ?:)	01:14
KotCzarny	that's why i need to keep on my toes	01:14
lcuk	whats the write cycle count on your memory KotCzarny	01:14
GeneralAntilles	Photographic memory doesn't exist.	01:14
KotCzarny	spirytus: o.o ?	01:14
johnx	KotCzarny, photographic memory is the term you were looking for...	01:14
spirytusick	KotCzarny: So you can download the stuff :) the photos... from memory you know :)	01:14
KotCzarny	johnx: if you haven't noticed i shortened both words	01:15
KotCzarny	i have	01:15
KotCzarny	:)	01:15
KotCzarny	on 'porpoise'	01:15
KotCzarny	:)	01:15
johnx	right, and I just 'shorten' my plural	01:15
spirytusick	hehe usb-porpoise ...	01:15
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lcuk	you lot are a bunch of pedantec gits :P (but you know a lot)	01:15
KotCzarny	lcuk: depends on the tea level in my bloodstream	01:15
KotCzarny	:)	01:15
KotCzarny	lcuk: that often comes in a one feature pack ;)	01:16
spirytusick	KotCzarny: or rather your blood level in yout tea stream :)	01:16
spirytusick	yout=your	01:16
lcuk	oh geez, its contaiogus, cant anywon leave mistakes alone	01:17
KotCzarny	:>	01:17
spirytusick	I c*nt take it :)	01:17
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KotCzarny	wan't me to turn on my tEeN scReeEpt0r?	01:17
KotCzarny	:P	01:17
GeneralAntilles	Apparently not, lcuk.	01:17
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spirytusick	what if it was code ?	01:18
KotCzarny	anyway, breakfast time	01:19
KotCzarny	(now or never, again)	01:19
lcuk	with code, at least a typo will be misspelt consistently	01:19
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KotCzarny	or not	01:19
KotCzarny	;)	01:19
KotCzarny	that's why bugs are introduced	01:19
lcuk	only if you have (a) very closely named variables introduced in a similar location by 2 devs	01:20
spirytusick	KotCzarny: that and the fact that programmers want to keep their jobs :)	01:20
lcuk	(b) you have an automatic allocating language	01:20
KotCzarny	lcuk: murphy's law	01:20
KotCzarny	:)	01:20
spirytusick	KotCzarny: microsoft would be already out of the business :) if they did not have all those bugs to fix :) all the jobs going...	01:20
spirytusick	I am sure some bugs (or annoyances) are introduced on purpose.. as part of marketing strategy :)	01:21
spirytusick	you can always release a new version in the future and charge for it... business is business	01:22
KotCzarny	yes	01:22
KotCzarny	'delay loops'	01:22
KotCzarny	;)	01:22
spirytusick	thats one example :)	01:22
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lamia	:)	01:24
KotCzarny	:)	01:24
lamia	hehe	01:24
KotCzarny	another (potential) n800 user	01:24
KotCzarny	:)	01:24
* lamia is getting n810		01:24
lamia	:)	01:24
KotCzarny	n810 is inferior to n800	01:25
lamia	Keyboard is more efficient	01:25
KotCzarny	:)	01:25
KotCzarny	you can get bluetooth one	01:25
johnx	or usb	01:25
KotCzarny	bluetooth is more convenient	01:25
johnx	usb is cheap :D	01:25
KotCzarny	usb dangling	01:25
KotCzarny	:)	01:25
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johnx	KotCzarny, works at the console for debugging other distros...but really, I can see why you would want an N810	01:26
johnx	second part addressed to lamia	01:26
* spirytusick says goodnight... see you tommorow, this time for good :)		01:27
KotCzarny	go go	01:27
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johnx	'night spirytusick	01:27
spirytusick	niech mocz bedzie z wami :)	01:27
spirytusick	good night..	01:27
lamia	lol	01:27
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lamia	johnx: Which nokia series do you use?	01:30
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johnx	lamia, n800	01:33
lamia	johnx: How big is the bluetooth keyboard?	01:34
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johnx	I have a usb keyboard, actually	01:34
lamia	johnx: How big is it?	01:34
johnx	and there are lots of bluetooth keyboards available	01:34
lcuk	i have an apple bluetooth one - and its tiny, but the keys feel massive	01:34
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johnx	lamia, let me find a link that shows it...	01:34
KotCzarny	photos	01:35
KotCzarny	:)	01:35
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lcuk	its the same size totally as the main qwerty area on my regular keyboard	01:35
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lcuk	and VERY thin	01:35
KotCzarny	i could use a wireless keyboard with a trackpoint	01:35
KotCzarny	:)	01:35
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KotCzarny	ibm had them	01:35
lcuk	http://www.apple.com/keyboard/	01:35
KotCzarny	but wired	01:35
lamia	Hmmm, So i have to carry a keyboard plus a nokia? Ugh	01:35
KotCzarny	lamia, nope	01:36
KotCzarny	you can carry only nokia	01:36
KotCzarny	if you're on the go	01:36
lcuk	i have this for my 810 in house - out of the house i use the stowaway	01:36
KotCzarny	there's onscreen keyboard too	01:36
KotCzarny	and handwriting recognition	01:36
johnx	lamia, if you think you'll use a keyboard while "on the go" just get an N810	01:36
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lcuk	i didnt even consider an onscreen - before the 810, it was just a glorified pda - now it feels like a regular computer - only smaller	01:37
KotCzarny	yes	01:37
KotCzarny	it is	01:37
KotCzarny	it runs on debian	01:37
KotCzarny	:)	01:37
johnx	HWR is not so great, and the onscreen keyboard is pretty good, but not good enough for chatting/IM	01:37
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johnx	it runs on something that resembles Debian in many ways...	01:37
KotCzarny	if i'm on the go even phone (0-9) keypad was ok	01:37
KotCzarny	for heavy use i use laptop anyway	01:37
* johnx has a crappy old P4 laptop that weights 10lbs O_o I do not want to carry that unless I need it...		01:38
* KotCzarny has nice, shiny ibm x32 (@ 3lbs)		01:38
KotCzarny	:)	01:38
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KotCzarny	1.8 pentium-m	01:39
KotCzarny	it's a size of a bigger book	01:39
KotCzarny	and weight too	01:39
johnx	I'll get one of the smaller thinkpads eventually. but for now I'm good enough with my N800	01:39
lcuk	war and piece?	01:39
lcuk	;)	01:39
KotCzarny	smaller	01:39
KotCzarny	than that	01:39
KotCzarny	;)	01:39
KotCzarny	more like discworld novel :)	01:40
johnx	oxford unabridged dictionary?	01:40
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* johnx threw out the box his keyboard came in and now he can't remember what brand/model it was...		01:40
GeneralAntilles	OED, you mean, johnx? :P	01:41
johnx	that would be it :D	01:41
KotCzarny	hmm	01:41
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KotCzarny	check with hcitool ?	01:41
GeneralAntilles	Random House makes an "Unabridged". :P	01:41
KotCzarny	or lsusb	01:41
KotCzarny	:)	01:41
lcuk	or just look at the sticker on the base	01:41
johnx	KotCzarny, good idea :D	01:41
johnx	lcuk, no stickers	01:41
KotCzarny	that can work too	01:41
KotCzarny	:)	01:41
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johnx	just an "FCC pass" and don't use in water	01:41
lcuk	well its not FCC compliant - UNPLUG IT NOW!!!!!	01:42
KotCzarny	you can search by fcc too	01:42
EvilGuru	Can anyone recommend any (FOSS) SIP/IAX VoIP clients that run on maemo	01:42
lcuk	damn - so it has something	01:42
GeneralAntilles	rtcomm, EvilGuru? <_<	01:42
johnx	alright...I have a name at least	01:42
KotCzarny	lcuk: is your body fcc compliant?	01:42
KotCzarny	:>	01:42
lcuk	no, the tattoo rubbed off in the bath	01:42
KotCzarny	johnx: google usb id	01:43
KotCzarny	:>	01:43
drjnut-mobile	xchat rulez on n810!	01:43
lcuk	drjnut, it does	01:43
KotCzarny	lcuk: you may be not allowed to interact with electrical appliances anymore	01:43
KotCzarny	:)	01:43
lcuk	awww, but my mum was making me a spandex magneto costume :(	01:43
ds3	is the LCD on the 810 is electrically and physically (dimension wise) the same as the 800's? having an 800 readable in a sunlight when used in a car seems like a good thing	01:44
KotCzarny	yes	01:44
KotCzarny	i guess	01:44
lcuk	how long would it take to boot linux on a computer built with an abacus?	01:44
KotCzarny	but maybe not exactly the same	01:45
johnx	ds3, are the screens exactly the same size?	01:45
johnx	I wasn't sure...	01:45
ds3	johnx: I donno, I don't have physical access to an 810	01:45
EvilGuru	GeneralAntilles: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ I presume?	01:45
johnx	I seem to remember them being different	01:45
GeneralAntilles	It's included by default with OS2008.	01:45
ds3	I used maemo mapper on a trip this weekend and the LCD + sun is really annoying	01:45
KotCzarny	800 × 480 resolution, 4.1 in diagonal, 225 pixels/in, 65536 colors (16-bit)	01:45
lcuk	ds3, 800 or 810?	01:45
KotCzarny	that's n800	01:46
ds3	lcuk: 800	01:46
drjnut-mobile	lcuk, on an abacus made of neutrons?	01:46
ds3	I _NEED_ the dual full size slots	01:46
KotCzarny	wikipedia lists the same data for n810	01:46
lcuk	i havent taken my 810 out recently after my missus had bad starts with the gps not locking	01:46
GeneralAntilles	The N810 screen is maybe 1 or 2mm smaller.	01:46
lcuk	im actually very frustrated about that	01:46
Tester_	GeneralAntilles: its the exact same lcd	01:46
GeneralAntilles	It isn't.	01:46
ds3	Tester_: it can't be the exact same LCD... the 810 is suppose to be transreflective	01:47
EvilGuru	I read it was slightly smaller (810)	01:47
GeneralAntilles	Different connectors, too.	01:47
lcdd	n810's screen is readable in sunlight	01:47
Tester_	is it supposed to be ?	01:47
KotCzarny	maybe it just has shiny surface behind	01:47
KotCzarny	:>	01:47
lcuk	yes - its a selling point apparantly	01:47
GeneralAntilles	The same? No.	01:47
ds3	oh bah	01:48
GeneralAntilles	N810's screen is marginally smaller and transflective.	01:48
ds3	so much for a simple transplant of LCDs	01:48
GeneralAntilles	ds3, the connectors are different, anyway.	01:48
ds3	i am not fabricating flexcable adapters :(	01:48
* KotCzarny has to see n810 yet		01:48
* EvilGuru just got his		01:48
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lcuk	i dont like the curvyness of 800, i couldnt have made a cradle with it as easily	01:49
ds3	making a cradle for the 800 is the easy part	01:49
KotCzarny	lcuk: clamp it?	01:49
ds3	i hacked one up in about an hour	01:49
KotCzarny	:)	01:49
lcuk	no, i do need it to come out occasionally	01:49
KotCzarny	flexiclamp then	01:50
ds3	held it well enough to withstand minor off roading and it slips out and comes with me whenever I go somewhere	01:50
lcuk	different purpose - housebound, not car	01:53
ds3	lcuk: what would the cradle be fore?	01:53
ds3	for	01:53
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johnx	ok, finding a brand for this will actually be pretty difficult...wish I kept the box O_o	01:53
lcuk	i didnt want something to hold it, i wanted something to hold the 810 with	01:53
KotCzarny	velcro?	01:53
KotCzarny	:)	01:53
lcuk	it was uncomfotable to grip and use so i now have something big enough	01:54
ds3	so something to give it a larger area like a clipboard with the N800 on it?	01:54
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KotCzarny	that way you can even stick it to your arm	01:54
lcuk	http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7308/810crateinkx8.jpg	01:54
KotCzarny	keyboard looks inaccessible this way	01:55
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lcuk	my arm rests at same place as the screen - drawing on it now is like drawing on paper	01:55
ds3	that's easy to do for the N800... a hour or two on a CNC mill with a slab of aluminum :)	01:55
lcuk	and say bye bye to lying naked in bed with a cold lump of metal	01:55
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KotCzarny	'cold' ?	01:56
KotCzarny	;)	01:56
ds3	then cast one out of the castable epoxy stuff	01:56
lcuk	wood did the job..	01:56
ds3	regardless, that is a simple operation on a CNC mill :)	01:56
lcuk	not if (a) you've never done woodwork, (b) not got access to a cnc	01:57
ds3	:)	01:57
lcuk	im surprised i had any fingers left after the mkI - i attempted it with the chisel	01:57
KotCzarny	:>	01:57
lcuk	it gave me enough to confirm it worked	01:57
ds3	a plunge router should make quick work of it	01:57
lcuk	so i got a router on it	01:57
lcuk	...	01:57
lcuk	ive never done anything like this before but knew it couldnt be that hard	01:58
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ds3	very nice, btw	01:58
ds3	I would add slots to support a USB thumb drive on the side	01:58
lcuk	http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1256/810crateemptyhm3.jpg	01:58
lcuk	cant use the usb without removing the stand	01:59
lcuk	ive added a slot tho for power lead	01:59
ds3	oh	01:59
lcuk	thats why i ended up getting a wireless kb	01:59
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KotCzarny	hehe	01:59
ds3	that was one nice thing about the 770	01:59
KotCzarny	having n810 and wireless kb	01:59
KotCzarny	:)	01:59
lcuk	lol	01:59
lcuk	its great for in the house i can code and xchat and stuff	02:00
lcuk	but then when its out im not worried that i have to take anything	02:00
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KotCzarny	me neither	02:00
KotCzarny	:)	02:00
lcuk	plus, the keyboard open on the side is perfect for book reader extras	02:00
lcuk	i have space and return and the dpad setup for thumb reading and lie in bed reading for hours without barely having to lift a finger :)	02:01
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah, I do that with my N800, too. :P	02:01
GeneralAntilles	Right out of the box.	02:01
lcuk	but i couldnt hold my 810 at night	02:02
GeneralAntilles	That's what the stand is for.	02:02
lcuk	its not good for extensive gripping, theres nowhere comfy to rest	02:02
KotCzarny	why dpad..	02:02
KotCzarny	it has touchscreen for something	02:02
KotCzarny	:)	02:02
lcuk	lying on back with it held above chest	02:02
ds3	lcuk: is that 1/2" or 3/4" board?	02:02
* GeneralAntilles lies on his side.		02:03
lcuk	my old pda would slot between my knuckles and rest there - this kept falling out cos it was slippy	02:03
ds3	or just get a C3200 Z ;)	02:03
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lcuk	dunno, lemme find my ruler	02:03
KotCzarny	reading in bed is bad for your eyes, anyway	02:03
GeneralAntilles	Pfft	02:04
GeneralAntilles	Bad for your sleeping habits, maybe.	02:04
lcuk	black paper, dark grey text	02:04
KotCzarny	:)	02:04
GeneralAntilles	Using your eyes wont damage them.	02:04
KotCzarny	it will	02:04
KotCzarny	trust me	02:04
KotCzarny	but that's the price of life	02:04
johnx	which is why you should always leave them closed...	02:04
lcuk	1.8m18mm (0.7ins)	02:05
lcuk	-1.8m ;)	02:05
GeneralAntilles	Kot, what you do optometry on the side?	02:06
lcuk	i used to read audiobooks	02:06
lamia	An object like a book or something small should be 10 inches away from your eyes so you don't damage them.	02:06
KotCzarny	yawn	02:06
lcuk	but they were too small	02:06
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lcuk	i have reader at arms length	02:06
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KotCzarny	:)	02:06
GeneralAntilles	Again, you can't damage your eyes using them.	02:07
KotCzarny	ga: not true	02:07
lcuk	http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8233/810crateanglexe7.jpg	02:07
KotCzarny	and you have glasses too	02:07
KotCzarny	:>	02:07
GeneralAntilles	I've always had bad vision.	02:07
KotCzarny	yeah, always	02:08
KotCzarny	it's an excuse for 'starting early'	02:08
lcuk	he had to squint to read his first nokia	02:08
GeneralAntilles	Reading may cause eye strain, but eye strain is temporary, it doesn't damage your vision. <_<	02:08
KotCzarny	extended eye strain damages eyes	02:08
KotCzarny	it's like hunching	02:09
lamia	I have been watching cartoons in front of the TV since i was like 5, i have perfect 20/20 vision....eat carrots and fish!	02:09
KotCzarny	too much, and you have bad posture for life	02:09
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KotCzarny	cartoons != books	02:09
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GeneralAntilles	http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/health/04real.html	02:10
KotCzarny	yesh.. nytimes is a good source of wisdom	02:11
KotCzarny	:)	02:11
ds3	so about 3/4 stock	02:11
GeneralAntilles	http://www.clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/2000/2080.asp?index=8562	02:11
KotCzarny	btw. parasites can damage your sight too	02:12
KotCzarny	did you know that?	02:12
KotCzarny	and not only sight..	02:12
lcuk	reading with dry eyesyer ds3	02:12
lcuk	feck must learn to clear before retyping	02:12
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KotCzarny	:)	02:12
ds3	hmmm what changed all of a sudden in media player	02:12
GeneralAntilles	http://www.youreyedoctors.com/LMAvisionmyths.html	02:12
KotCzarny	ga: myths come and go	02:13
ds3	last week media player with a shoutcast stream was updating the metadata; this week it is not	02:13
KotCzarny	there's always cause and effect	02:13
KotCzarny	ds3: on every stream or just your favourite?	02:14
ds3	KotCzarny: just my favorite	02:14
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KotCzarny	then it may be it	02:14
ds3	it updates if I goto another screen and come back	02:14
GeneralAntilles	KotCzarny, don't spread BS around. It's irritating.	02:14
ds3	just not as the songs change	02:14
KotCzarny	ga: sure, and pretending to be right on everything is stuck-up attitude	02:15
johnx	ok guys, you both win. take it to #opthamologist-debates	02:15
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KotCzarny	:)	02:15
KotCzarny	in 19th century science pretended to be satisfied and complete	02:16
KotCzarny	and what happened?	02:16
KotCzarny	:)	02:16
johnx	they smoked opium?	02:16
KotCzarny	and drank absinth	02:16
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johnx	and their computers sucked :/	02:17
ds3	so.... something more on topic... anyone has the free parts of the maemo running on a x86 MID platform (i.e. wibrain or the samsungs)?	02:17
* KotCzarny is new to meamo, still		02:17
johnx	ds3, nope, but I'm working on it for the zaurus	02:17
ds3	johnx: for collie? <VBG>	02:17
johnx	nah...akita	02:18
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johnx	320x240 is just not enough...640x480 is more doable I think	02:18
ds3	i need something useful to do with the collie	02:18
johnx	me too :/	02:18
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johnx	I'm thinking web server	02:18
ds3	if someone could get the base going, then I could put maemo mapper on it	02:18
johnx	maemo mapper on a collie?	02:19
ds3	sure	02:19
johnx	that would be kind neat	02:19
johnx	there's already a maemo-mapper nohildon in angstrom	02:19
johnx	just need x server and libgtk2 for that	02:19
johnx	(and some other minor libs)	02:19
ds3	it is mostly comparable to the 770 but with a bit more IO and absolutely no SDIO	02:19
ds3	does PM on angstrom work properly on collie?	02:19
* johnx sighs		02:20
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johnx	actually angstrom won't boot on collie right now...	02:20
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ds3	the PM problems is what kept me off OpenZ	02:20
johnx	the latest openzaurus works fine	02:20
ds3	with PM? :)	02:20
johnx	you could backport maemo mapper to openzaurus without many problems I think	02:20
johnx	ds3, yes IIRC	02:20
ds3	hmm	02:20
johnx	it's been a long time	02:20
johnx	and my collie is kinda messed up	02:21
ds3	the last time i tried it, resume is was broken :(	02:21
johnx	well it works under 2.6 I think...but a lot of other things don't :)	02:21
ds3	oh	02:21
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johnx	actually...no it probably doesn't work under the 2.6 that's available now	02:21
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ds3	seems SA support is fading	02:22
johnx	ds3, yeah	02:22
bucky1	anyone have an n810 thats insides jiggle a little when you shake it?	02:22
johnx	it doesn't help that it falls below the EABI cutoff	02:22
ds3	EABI don't work on ARMv4?	02:22
johnx	not strongarm...it can work on armv4t I think	02:22
ds3	SA is basically a ARMv4, IIRC	02:23
ds3	oh T hmmm	02:23
johnx	that sounds right...but it has no "t" and apparently the t is important	02:23
johnx	I'm just going by what it says on the debian eabi wiki	02:23
ds3	not sure why thumb is needed for EABI though... shrug	02:23
* johnx is not a libc/gcc hacker		02:23
ds3	ah it is a GCC problem, not really a EABI issue	02:24
johnx	stretching my understanding here...but I think there is a way to work around missing features in gcc/libc to get EABI on strongarm but no one has done it, and it would likely cause a slowdown for later arm architectures	02:25
ds3	this should be hack-around-able in the kernel by trapping the bad instructions (i.e. the bx to thumb)	02:26
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johnx	wouldn't that be ungodly slow? (like "hardfloat")	02:26
ds3	don't think so	02:26
ds3	ah nevermind	02:26
ds3	nix that, the EABI does call out thumb support :(	02:26
johnx	http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort has the info that I'm referencing	02:27
ds3	<-- reading the debian wiki backwards from bottom up	02:27
johnx	ah, ok	02:27
ds3	yep, same page here but I was reading it backwards	02:27
KotCzarny	o.O	02:27
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ds3	thought the issue was gcc emitting the bx instruction; that itself can be fixed but if EABI calls out thumb, that's a bigger problem	02:27
ds3	i suppose the kernel can be mod'ed to segill on any real thumb instructions other then bx (set T bit in CPSR)	02:28
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ds3	that way it can sort of run EABI stuff	02:28
ds3	basically option 6	02:29
ds3	but not as extensive	02:29
johnx	but while everyone is talking about this armv5te is becoming the new "best bang for your buck" arm version...	02:29
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ds3	in terms of silicon prices or performance?	02:30
johnx	even in terms of availability...	02:30
johnx	how much consumer accessible strongarm stuff is still sold?	02:31
ds3	sold? heheh	02:31
ds3	seeing how it is 3 companies old	02:31
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KotCzarny	http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/pccomputers/portfolio.html	02:58
KotCzarny	:>	02:58
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texel	Where does Xomap read it's configuration file from?	03:20
texel	Or does it just assume defaults?	03:20
johnx	it takes some command line arguments	03:20
johnx	look in /etc/init.d/x-server	03:21
texel	Right, I saw that in the /etc/init.d/x-server script, but those don't specify things like xkb keyboard types.	03:21
texel	Specifically, I'm looking for an xorg.conf-like file somewhere.	03:21
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johnx	I don't think there is one :/	03:21
* texel is hacking on the XKB config settings		03:21
texel	Greh.	03:21
johnx	it pulls some keyboard info out of hal I think	03:21
texel	Ahh.	03:21
texel	That makes sense.	03:21
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* johnx had a fight with it to make it behave in Debian/N800		03:22
texel	Debian/N800? O.o	03:22
johnx	I'm just trying to make Debian work a little better on the N800	03:23
KotCzarny	:)	03:23
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texel	Ahh. Coolio.	03:23
texel	I, too, have a Debian chroot on my external SD.	03:23
texel	Comes in handy.	03:23
johnx	I can boot Debian off of SD :)	03:23
KotCzarny	:)	03:23
texel	Though I imagine you're using a fully booting environment. =o)	03:23
johnx	yup	03:23
johnx	everything but sound and some power saving stuff	03:24
KotCzarny	huh	03:24
* texel just saw your ITT post about it.		03:24
KotCzarny	power sacing is a must	03:24
KotCzarny	saving	03:24
ds3	johnx: including wifi?	03:24
johnx	ds3 of course :)	03:25
johnx	w/ wpa even :D	03:25
ds3	johnx: you are using the Nokia kernel modules?	03:25
ds3	or you got the freemac stuff working with it?	03:25
johnx	there's a patched wifi module to enable some basic wext 18 support	03:25
texel	Actually, that brings up an interesting question, I'd like to ask.	03:25
texel	johnx: have you had issues installing emacs22 in Debian armel?	03:26
ds3	that still limits you; i.e you can't just put in 2.6.24 w/o nokia's help	03:26
johnx	I haven't tried	03:26
* texel nods		03:26
johnx	ds3, it is limiting, but I'm working on things I can actually accomplish...I'm not up to kernel hacking yet	03:26
johnx	texel, want me to try it?	03:27
texel	johnx: feel free. =o)	03:27
texel	My install is complaining that the package depends on an older distro version of libungif, IIRC.	03:27
ds3	heh	03:27
texel	Which, weirdly, isn't in the repo.	03:27
johnx	aah...hmm	03:27
ds3	what would be really nice is 2.6.21 or 2.6.24 on the 770 w/WiFi + BT working	03:28
texel	Ie: wants libungif1.x-3, but only has libungif1.x-4	03:28
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johnx	texel, do you have enough space to compile the older version from source?	03:29
texel	Mm. I was looking into that, actually, but gave up and decided to compile especially for Maemo.	03:30
texel	I figured a nice, Hildonized version of Emacs would be much better.	03:30
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livinded	ewwwww	03:31
rm_you	AHHHHHH	03:31
rm_you	BLASHPHEMER	03:31
* rm_you smacks texel with the Vible		03:31
johnx	ahaha	03:31
texel	Heh	03:31
livinded	the Vible?	03:31
texel	vi	03:31
KotCzarny	:>	03:31
texel	TBH, I use vim quite often as well.	03:31
texel	I just prefer emacs for code.	03:31
johnx	you're all unbelievers. There is only one true echo(1)...	03:32
* texel is a systems administrator		03:32
texel	Heh	03:32
KotCzarny	mcedit	03:32
KotCzarny	;)	03:32
ds3	nvi or cat... no vim :P	03:32
texel	COPY CON: > FILENAME.TXT	03:32
texel	Err...	03:32
texel	COPY CON: FILENAME.TXT	03:32
* johnx never got the hang of all that DOS weirdness		03:33
texel	johnx: Anyway, I was just curious if you were hitting the same issue at all.	03:33
johnx	I'll test it	03:33
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* texel was hoping it was just something having to do with the way I installed the chroot		03:33
johnx	the package is just 'emacs22'	03:33
johnx	?	03:33
texel	Yep.	03:33
texel	Thanks, johnx.	03:33
johnx	nope	03:33
johnx	wants libungif	03:34
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texel	Mm. Okay, so then it's Debian armel's repo being insane, then.	03:34
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texel	Weird.	03:34
johnx	emacs22: Depends: libungif (>= 4.1.4)	03:34
* texel nods		03:34
johnx	I've seen similar things	03:34
texel	Which actually is in the repo, but it's looking for an older distro-version.	03:34
johnx	network manager had issues as well	03:34
texel	If you chase the depends tree, you'll see the weirdness.	03:34
* texel shrugs		03:34
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johnx	I wish network manager actually worked :/ I think the wext patches to cx3110x aren't quite enough to satisfy network manager	03:35
texel	Guess I get to go insane hacking on emacs gtk interface. =op	03:35
ds3	i wish the network management were more sane	03:36
ds3	#@!$@!#!@!@#$ network management ignores bluetooth settings :(	03:36
* texel wishes networkmanager didn't use gnome-keychain for storage of network keys		03:36
johnx	I think Nokia suffers from some NIH syndrome :/	03:36
texel	Or at least that gnome-keychain was rewritten to store keychain data securely.	03:36
texel	johnx: how so? O.o	03:37
ds3	NIH syndrome?	03:37
johnx	not invented here	03:37
texel	ds3: Not Invented Here syndrome.	03:37
ds3	ah	03:37
* texel heads out for a snack		03:37
ds3	was thinking National Institue of Health :/	03:37
texel	Thanks for the help guys. =o)	03:37
johnx	dsme/bme? wlancond?	03:37
KotCzarny	:>	03:38
ds3	i just wish the network management could be a lot more configurable and consistant. don't care where it comes from	03:39
AlphaLux	more configurable in what way?	03:39
ds3	do you want my entire wish list or just the answer to that q?	03:40
KotCzarny	:>	03:40
AlphaLux	let us go for the succinct answer :)	03:40
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ds3	to start with - priority in the network profile so if there are multiple WiFi networks; I can say try this one first hten the next one; ability to disable a profile	03:41
ds3	that's 2 to start with; I got more	03:41
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AlphaLux	ah, yeah some type of priority setting would be nice	03:42
ds3	an example is i was out of coverage for my carrier for the entire time; I do not want it to automatically connecto to the phone and attempt to dial out	03:43
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rm_you	GeneralAntilles: :P	03:43
GeneralAntilles	Stupid Comcast.	03:43
rm_you	lol	03:43
ds3	right now the only way I can do that is to tell it I don't have a phone; disabling bluetooth is ignored for network purposes but enabled for things like a GPS :(	03:43
AlphaLux	general, how's your bittorent working? :)	03:43
ds3	and yes, this need did arise this past weekend	03:43
GeneralAntilles	:P	03:43
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errordeveloper	hi ..	03:46
GeneralAntilles	rm_you, have you decided to work on my cool project yet? :P	03:47
errordeveloper	i cannot activate the 'red pill' mode on my n800 .. :(	03:47
GeneralAntilles	Why do you need it, errordeveloper?	03:47
KotCzarny	ed: how do you do it?	03:48
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ds3	mayheim and confusion is always good ;)	03:48
Deformative	Is there a webkit for the nokia 770?	03:48
alp	Deformative: yeah, you need a patch to build against GTK+ 2.6 though	03:49
Deformative	Is there a deb for it anywhere?	03:49
alp	don't think so	03:49
Deformative	Sigh.	03:51
Deformative	Is there a faster pdf reader?	03:51
johnx	are you on OS2006 or OS2007HE?	03:52
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Deformative	2006	03:52
johnx	hmm	03:52
johnx	look for evince...I know it's available for OS2007 but I have no idea about OS2006	03:52
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Deformative	Everything on 2006 is rather slow.	03:52
GeneralAntilles	The 770 is slow.	03:53
Deformative	The processor is hardly slow.	03:53
Deformative	The only real limitation is the ram.	03:53
johnx	well the processor isn't exactly fast...	03:53
Navi	It's pretty slow	03:53
KotCzarny	:>	03:53
Navi	Add some swap to help with the ram limitation	03:53
Deformative	The processor is prolly comparable with the computer I am on at the moment.	03:54
Deformative	600 ghz powerpc.	03:54
johnx	probably not	03:54
ds3	OMAP1710 @ 200MHz ish is a tad bit slower	03:54
Navi	I don't see how a 200mhz ARM can compare to a 600ghz PPC	03:54
KotCzarny	600ghz?	03:54
johnx	more comparable to a Pentium 233 with it's FPU disabled	03:54
KotCzarny	now that's	03:54
KotCzarny	fast	03:54
KotCzarny	:)	03:54
Deformative	mhz*	03:54
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Deformative	Oh, really, I thought it was 400mhz	03:55
ds3	johnx: the FPU can be enabled. it does have a DSP afterall	03:55
rm_you	GeneralAntilles: I still don't see the point >_>	03:55
KotCzarny	n800 has 400mhz cpu	03:55
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Deformative	Ah, my mistake.	03:55
johnx	ds3 I thought it was missing the VFP?	03:55
Deformative	Then yes, it is slow.	03:55
ds3	johnx: yes it is missing VFP but has the second DSP core	03:55
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johnx	ah...but maemo doesn't use it?	03:56
ds3	no no	03:56
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ds3	there is no DSP on the Pentium	03:56
ds3	so each has its own advantages	03:56
KotCzarny	:)	03:56
johnx	"and this chip enables faster than light travel...but it isn't enabled..."	03:56
rm_you	GeneralAntilles: do some research for me about icon theming :P	03:56
Deformative	Hmm, I wonder if I should get the next generation of nokia tablet or a ps3. :D	03:57
ds3	get both :)	03:57
Deformative	Nah, too expensive.	03:57
Tama^2	rm_you, good I see you are using GA too ;)	03:58
KotCzarny	ps2 isn't portable	03:58
KotCzarny	:)	03:58
KotCzarny	erm. ps3	03:58
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Navi	The PS3's only 11 pounds or so	04:02
Navi	it's very portable	04:02
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Tama^2	>.>>	04:10
KotCzarny	yeah	04:10
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dospod	haha wow net split	04:29
KotCzarny	life	04:30
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GeneralAntilles	Epic split	04:30
GeneralAntilles	Hub went down.	04:31
KotCzarny	life.	04:31
* KotCzarny continues n800 discharge test		04:31
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KotCzarny	hmm	04:45
KotCzarny	rough estimated standby time 130-155h	04:45
KotCzarny	(5-6d)	04:45
KotCzarny	:)	04:45
KotCzarny	lcd off, wifi on	04:45
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plb	where can i get irssi or xchat for n800 os2008?	05:12
doc\|home	garage.maemo.org although I tried to start irssi yesterday after installing it and it wouldn't work :/	05:14
doc\|home	xchat seems to not have released files yet	05:14
plb	=\	05:14
plb	recommand any other apps for n800? just got it today ;]	05:15
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plb	I got mplayer, pidgin, and that last.fm client so far	05:15
KotCzarny	maemo-mapper	05:15
KotCzarny	:)	05:15
plb	whats that?	05:15
doc\|home	nope, not that I know of, sorry, I just ssh'd to another box and used irssi from there	05:15
GeneralAntilles	http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/	05:15
KotCzarny	ever seen maps.google.com ?	05:15
plb	yep	05:16
KotCzarny	something like this	05:16
KotCzarny	but with caching	05:16
plb	ah	05:16
KotCzarny	and support for other map dbs	05:16
plb	neat	05:16
KotCzarny	usefull	05:16
KotCzarny	and has gps support	05:16
KotCzarny	(not that i use gps)	05:16
plb	me either	05:16
KotCzarny	'neither'	05:17
KotCzarny	:)	05:17
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KotCzarny	fbreader, maemo recorder, quiver image viewer, mplayer, ecaile music player	05:17
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KotCzarny	bomberman, doom	05:18
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KotCzarny	xarchiver	05:18
KotCzarny	vncviewer, rdesktop	05:18
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Drges	"useful"	05:18
KotCzarny	navi: i never remember that	05:18
KotCzarny	:)	05:19
KotCzarny	and i confuse it with useless	05:19
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plb	gotta have mplayer ;]	05:19
Drges	KotCzarny, whatever, I obsess about spelling and grammar as much as you do.	05:20
KotCzarny	navi: good, i approve	05:20
KotCzarny	:)	05:20
KotCzarny	though english is a mess	05:20
Drges	s/obsess/don't obsess/	05:20
infobot	Drges meant: KotCzarny, whatever, I don't obsess about spelling and grammar as much as you do.	05:20
KotCzarny	rule there, rule here	05:20
MipsIrv	i'm assuming the kernel source hasn't been released for the nokia platforms eh?	05:20
KotCzarny	lol	05:20
KotCzarny	that's a little difference	05:21
KotCzarny	:)	05:21
Drges	Fully intentional to get you rambling.	05:21
KotCzarny	mipsirv: it has been	05:21
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KotCzarny	but not complete	05:21
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KotCzarny	still has binary blobs	05:21
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KotCzarny	navi: you will	05:21
KotCzarny	:)	05:21
plb	no frozen-bubble =\	05:22
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KotCzarny	plb: there are substitues i think	05:23
KotCzarny	if not i will be compiling it one day	05:23
plb	hehe fb is awesome	05:23
Navi	KotCzarny, I used to, however, now I just see it as assholeish.	05:23
Navi	KotCzarny, asshole.	05:23
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KotCzarny	navi: i see it as the only way to not start speaking ircish	05:24
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KotCzarny	navi: calling other people names is assholeish	05:24
KotCzarny	though	05:24
KotCzarny	:)	05:24
sbk	so ive had my nokia N810 since last friday	05:24
sbk	let me tell you guys	05:24
sbk	im REALLY enjoying it	05:24
plb	hm how come the app manager won't update maps...says its from a different source	05:24
* Proteous waits for it		05:24
Navi	"ircish" ain't not no language.	05:24
KotCzarny	no shit?	05:25
sbk	haha Navi	05:25
hoopy	so how many of you guys are linux buffs	05:25
* Navi casts a level five buff on Linux		05:25
hoopy	i'm wanting a "linux appliance"	05:25
* KotCzarny yawns		05:25
hoopy	perfereable solid state... i was wondering what arm linux is like	05:25
plb	hoopy: I've been using linux since 1999	05:25
sbk	I been on linux since 2000	05:25
hoopy	i've been using it since about 2002	05:26
sbk	< net engineer for a private network	05:26
KotCzarny	hoopy: get a laptop and cf-ide adapter	05:26
KotCzarny	:)	05:26
sbk	if you wana make some paper, get a linux job :P	05:26
hoopy	what does that get ya	05:26
sbk	80k to start?	05:26
hoopy	there probably aren't any linux jobs in my podunk ass town	05:26
* hoopy is a .NET developer		05:26
Navi	The only Linux jobs around here are University jobs	05:27
sbk	word	05:28
sbk	its worth looking into it	05:28
hoopy	what city do you live in sdk?	05:28
plb	hm does n800 keep it self up to date automatically?	05:28
sbk	Los Angeles	05:28
sbk	I started in NYC tho	05:28
hoopy	80k in L.A.	05:28
sbk	my job moved me out here	05:28
sbk	last yr	05:28
hoopy	i make 50k in BFE	05:28
hoopy	cost of living is lowest in the nation here	05:28
plb	sbk: I'm on Staten Island	05:28
sbk	bum fuck egypt?	05:28
sbk	oh word plb	05:28
hoopy	yep	05:28
plb	ya	05:28
sbk	where abouts	05:28
hoopy	southwest missouri	05:28
Deformative	plb: I have a nokia 770	05:29
sbk	I got family out there	05:29
Deformative	It is not as fun as you might expect.	05:29
plb	sbk: right next to the Verrazano in rosebank	05:29
sbk	ahhh, my fam is in annadale	05:29
sbk	right off arden ave	05:29
hoopy	i'm in springfield	05:29
plb	sbk: ah cool ;]	05:29
Deformative	I mean, I use it, and it was worth the $140 I paid for it.	05:29
* KotCzarny got n800 for a 150$		05:29
KotCzarny	:>	05:29
Deformative	But a touch screen handheld cannot do a whole lot.	05:29
sbk	the only thing I miss about si is the bitches	05:30
hoopy	i'm kind of thinking about getting a chumby	05:30
plb	I paid $240 for my n800	05:30
sbk	I got my N810 for 475	05:30
sbk	last week	05:30
sbk	and jewegg sent me the wrong fucking SD card	05:30
plb	sbk: should have got it from amazon	05:30
plb	391	05:30
Deformative	KotCzarny: United states?	05:30
KotCzarny	yes	05:30
sbk	its all good plb	05:30
KotCzarny	nyc area	05:30
sbk	I needed it	05:30
Deformative	I got mine like a year ago.	05:30
plb	hehe	05:30
Deformative	Ah well, time for me to go to sleep.	05:30
sbk	I use it @ work, as a pen & paper replacement	05:30
plb	another nycer KotCzarny ?	05:31
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sbk	we running #maemo!	05:31
KotCzarny	:)	05:31
plb	where are you?	05:31
sbk	hes in newark area	05:31
sbk	:)	05:31
Deformative	Pen and Paper is far superior.	05:31
plb	aj	05:31
plb	er	05:31
sbk	haha Deformative	05:31
plb	ah	05:31
KotCzarny	closer to mnh though	05:31
KotCzarny	:)	05:31
KotCzarny	about 10min	05:31
hoopy	do you guys compile things on your phones?	05:31
hoopy	or do you load binaries onto it	05:32
plb	I'm about 5min from the ferry to manhattan	05:32
sbk	I lived over thee too KotCzarny	05:32
KotCzarny	hoopy: both	05:32
sbk	jersey city	05:32
Deformative	I only use mine as a book, pdf reader and sometimes I use the todo list.	05:32
plb	ah jersey city	05:32
sbk	I copped an apt over there, cause it was cheaper than midtown	05:32
Deformative	Heh.	05:32
plb	been there	05:32
sbk	where I was stayin	05:32
sbk	its pretty gross	05:32
sbk	just a place to live	05:32
KotCzarny	:)	05:32
sbk	thats all	05:32
plb	to the ghetto part of jersey city heh	05:32
sbk	yeah, I was right off grove st	05:32
sbk	by the PATH train	05:32
KotCzarny	i'm about 2 blocks form j.square	05:32
sbk	ahhh	05:32
KotCzarny	convenient	05:33
plb	jersey city is filthy lol	05:33
sbk	yeah	05:33
sbk	LA isn't much better	05:33
MipsIrv	whatever happened to efficient code..	05:33
KotCzarny	i live in the internet anyway	05:33
sbk	heh same KotCzarny	05:33
plb	lol	05:33
sbk	my job requires that	05:33
sbk	:)	05:33
errordeveloper	'bora' is what ..os2008 ? or 2007 ?	05:33
KotCzarny	so as long there's inet i can live there	05:34
KotCzarny	2007	05:34
errordeveloper	ok ..	05:34
KotCzarny	chinook is 2008	05:34
sbk	you knwo what works REALLY well	05:34
sbk	RDP client for OS08	05:34
plb	2008 looks so much better than 2007	05:34
sbk	I use that shit nonstop	05:34
sbk	the N810 was my first tablet	05:34
errordeveloper	hm .. can i esealy upgrade via apt-get ?	05:34
sbk	ive had it less than a week	05:34
sbk	its amazing	05:34
sbk	WAIT	05:34
Navi	errordeveloper, you can but it's not recommended	05:34
MipsIrv	sbk: amazing compared to the n800?	05:34
sbk	apt-get works in OS08?~?!?~?~?~?~~??!?!?!?~?~~?	05:34
KotCzarny	ed: from 2007 to 2008? no	05:34
KotCzarny	:)	05:34
sbk	I havent tried anything else MipsIrv	05:35
KotCzarny	sbk: yes	05:35
MipsIrv	ah	05:35
sbk	WOW!	05:35
sbk	this thing is fucking amazing	05:35
MipsIrv	i looked at the 810.. cost prohibitive though	05:35
sbk	haha	05:35
sbk	the cost didnt really matter, I wanted a keyboard	05:35
sbk	because the browsing on my iphone sucks	05:35
MipsIrv	that's an expensive keyboard though ;)	05:35
KotCzarny	i've got mine nokia last week, so i'm not familiar what haven't worked before	05:35
sbk	the N810 > iphone	05:35
KotCzarny	:)	05:35
KotCzarny	sbk: bt	05:35
KotCzarny	:)	05:35
MipsIrv	is it just me.. or does the 800 pretty much suck with all multimedia?	05:35
sbk	yeah I got mine last friday	05:35
errordeveloper	ok ..	05:35
plb	I was just looking for mp3 player / video player and the n800 was only 240 so I just got that instead ;]	05:35
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errordeveloper	so to upgrade i need to flash it ?	05:36
sbk	yeah, I'm trying to convince my friend to get one	05:36
MipsIrv	i've had zero luck with media streamer.. flash-based video.. something else I tried I forgot	05:36
errordeveloper	is os2008 ok on n800 ..?	05:36
sbk	to replace his "cowon"	05:36
KotCzarny	yes	05:36
sbk	you can put it on errordeveloper	05:36
sbk	so I read	05:36
plb	flash lags fro me	05:36
plb	for*	05:36
KotCzarny	mipsirv: mplayer	05:36
KotCzarny	:)	05:36
sbk	xmms works good as hell too	05:36
plb	I heard about some orb site but haven't tried it	05:36
MipsIrv	the 800 is more responsive with OS08 as far as I can tell	05:36
KotCzarny	i have heard that vlc works too	05:36
sbk	I Was reaaallly surprised	05:36
sbk	VLC?!?!?!!?	05:36
sbk	WTF!	05:36
Navi	...	05:36
MipsIrv	i'd really like something that will let me play video from mythtv	05:36
MipsIrv	although I hate mythtv..	05:37
Navi	Quit acting surprised about every little damned thing.	05:37
plb	I got mythtv as well	05:37
sbk	I'm just saying Navi	05:37
sbk	its surprising	05:37
KotCzarny	navi: stop acting so 'mature'	05:37
MipsIrv	plb: did you have any luck with minimyth?	05:37
KotCzarny	:)	05:37
sbk	this thing rocks	05:37
MipsIrv	i got like 3 frames then the whole thing locks up..	05:37
Navi	KotCzarny, quit acting like KotCzarny	05:37
sbk	haha	05:37
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plb	haven't tried it...just got my n800 today still trying to find all the good apps for it lol	05:37
KotCzarny	that's impossible	05:37
sbk	how about GFTP	05:37
sbk	is there a port for that?	05:37
plb	I'd like an irc client for it	05:38
KotCzarny	sbk: yes	05:38
plb	I could just ssh I suppose but meh	05:38
errordeveloper	actually ..yeah	05:38
sbk	I just ssh into my boxes, and use screen/irssi from there	05:38
errordeveloper	what about irc clients for n800	05:38
errordeveloper	?	05:38
KotCzarny	ed: what have you used on pc?	05:38
MipsIrv	wouldn't pidgin accomplish that?	05:38
Proteous	screen + irssi + bitlbee.org == teh win	05:38
plb	errordeveloper: I'm looking for one ;]	05:38
MipsIrv	<-- pidgining it up right now	05:38
Navi	Proteous, you forgot SSH	05:38
sbk	yeah Proteous	05:39
KotCzarny	and telnet	05:39
KotCzarny	:)	05:39
Proteous	yeah, sorry, SSH toooo	05:39
plb	irssi is my all time favorite	05:39
sbk	same plb	05:39
MipsIrv	we also need an open media solution for the web.. flash isn't cutting it anymore	05:39
KotCzarny	mipsirv: news say that nokia will put m$ silverlight ont oit	05:39
plb	sbk: bitchx was popular way back when we first started ;]	05:39
KotCzarny	happy?	05:39
KotCzarny	:)	05:39
sbk	yeah plb lol!	05:39
sbk	we all graduated to irssi tho :P	05:39
Navi	I prefer rtcomm over pidgen.	05:40
MipsIrv	what is silverlight?	05:40
KotCzarny	epic ftw!	05:40
plb	sbk: until dev put that phone home feature in and no one wanted to use it anymore	05:40
Fang64	microsoft product isn't it	05:40
Navi	[21:34:58] <KotCzarny> mipsirv: news say that nokia will put m$ silverlight ont oit <-	05:40
Fang64	plb: bitchx is awesome	05:40
MipsIrv	more closed source software?	05:40
alp	silverlight is an open standard for rich internet content	05:40
KotCzarny	yeah.. open.. my ass	05:40
KotCzarny	;)	05:40
Navi	alp, only as open as OOXML	05:40
Navi	er	05:40
plb	Fang64: irssi is better ;]	05:40
plb	and than epic4	05:40
sbk	yup	05:40
KotCzarny	you can't expect anything open from m$	05:40
sbk	hmm	05:41
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alp	heh. i spent the last couple of years or longer competing directly with silverlight, but i still think it gets an unfair rap	05:41
alp	if you want proprietary, try Flash	05:41
KotCzarny	unless some court forces them to do it	05:41
Navi	s/OOXML/Office .doc/	05:41
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MipsIrv	uh yeah.. right on the silverlight web site it says "we only support commercial operating systems, thanks"	05:42
plb	so what is the best place to find all apps...just maemo.org under downloads?	05:42
errordeveloper	..right	05:42
MipsIrv	www.debian.org	05:42
KotCzarny	plb: garage too	05:42
MipsIrv	;)	05:42
sbk	yeah, thats what I have found plb	05:42
KotCzarny	though it's user submitted	05:42
errordeveloper	trying to install skype, give some unresolvable deps	05:42
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errordeveloper	how to get the bloody thing on ?	05:43
MipsIrv	anyone have a batter cover for a 770 they are trying to get rid of?	05:43
errordeveloper	i need it for my dad ..	05:43
KotCzarny	ed: use installer from you os?	05:43
mmejiav	hi... i have a problem with my brand new n800... they don't turn on !!!!!	05:43
KotCzarny	i don't know if skype is supported on 2006	05:43
errordeveloper	i tried with the package manger gui ..	05:43
plb	so does the n800 update itself or what...I noticed I get pop ups asking to install stuff?	05:43
KotCzarny	mmejiav: charge it?	05:43
errordeveloper	and with apt-get - the same thign	05:43
mmejiav	hola... tengo un problema con mi nuevo n800.... no prende	05:44
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sbk	ENGRISH, CAN YOU SPEEEK IT	05:44
KotCzarny	i hate spanish..	05:44
KotCzarny	:)	05:44
plb	KotCzarny: you live in newark...	05:44
KotCzarny	plb: nope, in jc	05:44
KotCzarny	:)	05:44
sbk	haha nah hes in jc	05:44
plb	er	05:45
plb	ya	05:45
sbk	just as bad	05:45
mmejiav	they don't show a charge indicator	05:45
plb	not the best place to live if you don't like spanish i imagine lol	05:45
KotCzarny	life	05:45
KotCzarny	:)	05:45
plb	my neighborhood is mostly polish people lol	05:45
KotCzarny	lol	05:45
sbk	yeah	05:46
Proteous	mmejiav: how long have you left it plugged in?	05:46
sbk	I'm polish	05:46
sbk	2nd generation	05:46
sbk	:)	05:46
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KotCzarny	do you speak it?	05:46
KotCzarny	:)	05:46
mmejiav	Proteous, mmm 30 minutes	05:46
plb	lot of polish people out here	05:46
sbk	not anymore, when I was a kid yeah	05:46
sbk	same in greenpoint plb	05:46
sbk	I used to hang there a lot with my cousins	05:46
Proteous	mmejiav: I'd try leaving it plugged in longer	05:46
Proteous	mmejiav: you are plugging it in with the wall charger right? not with the USB cable?	05:47
mmejiav	Proteous, but I don't look a charge indicator in the screen... how I know if tjey are charging?	05:47
mmejiav	Proteous, yes, the wall charger	05:47
plb	eh is it possible to get a clock in the panel?	05:47
sbk	I found 1 plb	05:47
sbk	but it was wack	05:47
KotCzarny	plb: use status bar clock	05:47
sbk	it didnt work right for me	05:47
Proteous	mmejiav: does the manual say it will get a charging screen right away?	05:47
sbk	on OS08	05:47
plb	sbk: a clock?	05:48
plb	KotCzarny: is that for desktop or panel?	05:48
KotCzarny	panel	05:48
plb	ah ok thanks	05:48
KotCzarny	https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbarclock/	05:48
KotCzarny	i guess that's the one	05:48
sbk	yeah	05:49
sbk	it didnt work for me really	05:49
KotCzarny	why?	05:49
KotCzarny	works fine for me	05:49
KotCzarny	:)	05:49
KotCzarny	better than desktop one..	05:49
plb	they should put one in by default	05:49
KotCzarny	which is a cow	05:49
mmejiav	Proteous, nop, I don't look info about	05:49
KotCzarny	sbk: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop.png	05:50
KotCzarny	it also takes screenshots	05:50
KotCzarny	:)	05:50
sbk	not bad!	05:50
KotCzarny	yes, it's great	05:50
sbk	brb a couple mins gentlemen	05:51
plb	KotCzarny: that is statusbar clock?	05:51
KotCzarny	yes	05:51
Proteous	mmejiav: well, I'm not sure, I'd try leaving it plugged in longer, the first charge can take a while	05:51
plb	cool	05:51
KotCzarny	i know	05:52
KotCzarny	:)	05:52
mmejiav	Proteous, thanks... i'm searching more info in internet rigth now	05:52
KotCzarny	proteous: otoh it can be dead too	05:53
KotCzarny	charger or device	05:53
KotCzarny	:)	05:53
plb	hm is that ukmp any good?	05:53
Proteous	KotCzarny: that's true, but you have to try one thing at a time :)	05:53
KotCzarny	proteous: but it should show charging indicator anyway, as he is suggesting	05:53
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plb	O	05:55
plb	er	05:56
mmejiav	Proteous, sorry for my bad english...	05:56
plb	I'll be back tommorow...night everyone	05:56
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mmejiav	KotCzarny, yes, i'm not perfect (i don't speak english)	05:57
Proteous	heh	05:57
KotCzarny	:)	05:57
Proteous	you speak english better then I speak any other language	05:57
KotCzarny	maybe he's using online translator	05:58
Proteous	so I can't complain too much	05:58
Proteous	lol	05:58
KotCzarny	i would do it when forced to use unknown language :)	05:58
Proteous	it's a pretty good translator if he is :P	05:59
KotCzarny	ais are amazing nowadays	05:59
KotCzarny	AIs	05:59
mmejiav	KotCzarny, thanks for your help... have a nice day	06:00
KotCzarny	:)	06:00
mmejiav	Proteous, thanks for your advice	06:00
Proteous	np, hope you get it working	06:01
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Proteous	sucks to get a new non working device	06:01
KotCzarny	yeah.	06:01
KotCzarny	it's like a pet's death	06:01
KotCzarny	:)	06:01
Proteous	especial a device as cool as a nokia IT	06:01
KotCzarny	yeah.	06:01
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errordeveloper	hm ..	06:04
errordeveloper	after i did ^Z in ash	06:05
errordeveloper	i can't just resume with %	06:05
KotCzarny	use: fg	06:05
errordeveloper	ah ..ok	06:05
errordeveloper	:)	06:05
KotCzarny	this channel should be named #maemo-linux	06:05
KotCzarny	:>	06:05
Proteous	lol	06:06
KotCzarny	or -unix	06:06
KotCzarny	or -posix	06:06
KotCzarny	or something	06:06
KotCzarny	:)	06:06
Proteous	-*nix	06:06
KotCzarny	maemnix ?	06:06
KotCzarny	maemonix ?	06:06
KotCzarny	cool name	06:06
KotCzarny	:)	06:06
johnx_	well, theoretically it's about maemo on any platform...	06:06
errordeveloper	is maemo no linux anyway ?	06:06
KotCzarny	o.o	06:06
KotCzarny	:>	06:07
johnx_	eh?	06:07
KotCzarny	you can treat it as a debian spinoff	06:07
KotCzarny	:)	06:07
errordeveloper	..another question tonight ..	06:07
KotCzarny	same way ubuntu relates to debian	06:07
KotCzarny	erm	06:07
johnx_	well...that's ITOS, but different people seem to think about maemo as different things	06:08
KotCzarny	scratch that	06:08
KotCzarny	:)	06:08
errordeveloper	can is somehow set up a network with n800 via usb?	06:08
KotCzarny	yes	06:08
johnx_	yes	06:08
errordeveloper	so i could ssh ..	06:08
KotCzarny	i guess null-usb cable is compiled in	06:08
KotCzarny	in the thefault kernel	06:08
KotCzarny	and few others	06:08
johnx_	yes...the n800 can act like a "cdc usb ethernet adapter"	06:09
KotCzarny	mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/batt2gp.png	06:10
KotCzarny	charging saga continues	06:10
KotCzarny	:)	06:10
KotCzarny	i bet #0 and #2 are temp. sensors	06:12
errordeveloper	so if i have a pc, and i wan't to connect n800 to it ..how would i do that?	06:12
errordeveloper	where to read aout it ..?	06:12
KotCzarny	ed: define 'connect'	06:12
ds3	kotczarny: is that gnuplot?	06:13
KotCzarny	ds3: yes	06:13
KotCzarny	'fixed' font should be a giveaway	06:13
KotCzarny	;)	06:13
ds3	how do you get it to recogonize time on the X axis?	06:13
johnx_	errordeveloper, windows or linux on the desktop machine?	06:13
errordeveloper	linux	06:13
KotCzarny	set xdata time	06:13
KotCzarny	set timefmt "%s"	06:13
ds3	and what's the format in the datafile?	06:14
KotCzarny	i have my times in unixtimestamps	06:14
johnx_	errordeveloper, should get you started: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/setting_up_usb_networking.html	06:14
KotCzarny	%s is 'seconds since unix epoch'	06:14
ds3	so it can parse something like: FOO=`date`; echo $FOO , $MY_Y_VAL >> /tmp/datafile	06:14
ds3	oh	06:14
ds3	okay	06:14
KotCzarny	yes	06:14
KotCzarny	you just have to tell the format you use	06:15
ds3	cool, never figured out how to do that	06:15
KotCzarny	google	06:15
KotCzarny	:)	06:15
KotCzarny	and examples	06:15
ds3	think I tried it once and couldn't find stuff but that was a few years ago	06:15
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ds3	now I got the set commands, I can read the helpfile	06:15
KotCzarny	:)	06:16
errordeveloper	johnx_: cool, thanx a lot ;)	06:17
johnx_	sure...there is some GUI to do it...but it didn't exactly behave right	06:17
GeneralAntilles	errordeveloper, there's a statusbar plugin that switches both client/host mode and will setup USB net for you.	06:18
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errordeveloper	hmm //	06:19
errordeveloper	that's cool	06:19
errordeveloper	but now i have a trouble here ..	06:20
errordeveloper	was doing apt-upgrade, and it stopped the wlan deamon ..	06:20
errordeveloper	like this 'Stopping WLAN Connection Daemon:	06:20
KotCzarny	another newyorker	06:20
KotCzarny	:>	06:20
errordeveloper	'	06:20
GeneralAntilles	He's much cooler than you are.	06:20
KotCzarny	ga: so what?	06:20
KotCzarny	:)	06:20
errordeveloper	?	06:21
errordeveloper	it cannot boot now :(	06:21
johnx_	:/	06:21
johnx_	it starts to boot, then dies?	06:21
errordeveloper	keeeps flashing the white nokia screen ..	06:21
johnx_	ah, do you have data you need to recover or can you reflash?	06:21
errordeveloper	no data really ..	06:22
errordeveloper	i don't have too much time for reflashing /../	06:22
KotCzarny	reflashing is fast	06:22
johnx_	if you want to try to recover it use the nokia flasher to disable watchdog	06:22
johnx_	but debugging this will probably take longer than a reflash	06:22
KotCzarny	after you have all set up it takes few seconds	06:22
errordeveloper	ok ..	06:23
elb	make sure your OS2008 is completely up-to-date if it doesn't boot	06:23
errordeveloper	so this time i'll install screen streaight away ..	06:23
KotCzarny	lol	06:23
errordeveloper	ah ..not sure if screen would help for this ..	06:24
KotCzarny	or use app-manager	06:24
errordeveloper	yeah ..	06:24
KotCzarny	it has nice 'update' screen too	06:24
errordeveloper	may be, but it couldn't do what i wanted	06:24
ds3	arrrrgg some repo is corrupted	06:24
ds3	I see ""devel ""libs <KotCzarny> set xdata time	06:24
ds3	<KotCzarny> set timefmt "%s"	06:24
ds3	oops	06:24
KotCzarny	lol	06:24
ds3	I see ""devel ""lib, etc groups	06:24
KotCzarny	ds3: have you enabled redpill mode?	06:25
ds3	yes	06:25
KotCzarny	:)	06:25
ds3	but this appeared after I did a update	06:25
errordeveloper	ok ..so i'd reflash for os2008	06:25
ds3	so it is not redpill killing it	06:25
elb	it rules that maemo devs can't agree on category names	06:25
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errordeveloper	there was 2007	06:25
KotCzarny	ds3: disable one by one?	06:25
elb	not even close	06:25
ds3	I could do that or I could wait a week to see if someone fixes there stuff ;)	06:26
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KotCzarny	ds3: wishfull thinking	06:26
KotCzarny	;)	06:26
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AJayMN	looking for a wifi finder/meter hear of kismet but cant find the deb for a Nokia 770 any suggestions?	06:32
johnx_	I found a deb for it on gronmayer.com/it	06:35
johnx_	no idea if it works	06:35
b0r0las	ping	06:39
johnx_	pong?	06:39
texel	thunk	06:39
johnx_	crash, bang, boom, ow, ow, ow...	06:40
* texel goes back to attempting to build Transmission for Chinook		06:40
texel	Hehe =o)	06:40
johnx_	texel, you know there's a .deb of it already, right?	06:41
texel	There is, eh?	06:41
johnx_	on itt	06:41
texel	Is it properly Hildonized at all? O.o	06:41
johnx_	nope	06:41
texel	Heh	06:41
johnx_	but it has some hacks for small screen usage	06:41
* texel nods		06:41
GeneralAntilles	It works well enough.	06:41
johnx_	you might at least want to start with that source instead of from scratch	06:42
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texel	Was it some serious hacking to get it into a runnable state?	06:42
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GeneralAntilles	"5 minute port"	06:42
johnx_	I didn't look too closely	06:42
texel	Mm. Thought as much. =o)	06:42
texel	It seems like a straightforward port, really.	06:43
johnx_	I mean, if I have inet access on my tablet I'll just tell my desktop at home to start the torrent...	06:43
johnx_	I thought there were some quirks, but I could be wrong	06:43
errordeveloper	yeah ..os08 looks much keewler :)~	06:43
GeneralAntilles	The tablets make for really awesome low-power clients.	06:43
lopz	good night	06:43
texel	G'night, lopz.	06:44
johnx_	'night lopz	06:44
texel	Ow. qemu really bites sometimes.	06:44
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texel	"qemu: Unsupported syscall: 264"	06:44
johnx_	ah, qemu usermode...	06:44
texel	Yeah. I should really look into sbrsh.	06:44
* johnx_ ended up running debian inside qemu-system-arm		06:44
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texel	johnx_: bet that wasn't exactly fun.	06:45
johnx_	the install was slow, but now I have a faster ARM host to compile on	06:45
johnx_	...for debian	06:45
texel	sbrsh sounds... erm... creepy.	06:46
johnx_	lots of scratchbox stuff is pretty crazy	06:47
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johnx_	in the end cross compiling is a mixture of voodoo and luck	06:47
texel	True enough.	06:47
texel	Though I remember back in the days when I was hacking on the old Sharp SL-5000D.	06:47
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texel	Cross compiling back then was major pain.	06:47
texel	SB, thankfully, makes things easier.	06:47
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johnx_	you had the original? neat	06:48
texel	Yeah.	06:48
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johnx_	32MB of RAM is no fun though	06:48
* texel doublenods		06:48
texel	I've had lots of embedded linux devices, though some weren't /supposed/ to have Linux on them... >=o)	06:48
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texel	Bleh. Too many netsplits.	06:50
johnx_	yeah, really. seems bad today	06:50
GeneralAntilles	Hub went down earlier.	06:51
GeneralAntilles	Messy.	06:51
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texel	Hrm... I wonder where I can get an IPAQ cheap. =o)	06:51
johnx_	depends on which ipaq you want...	06:51
johnx_	the hx4700 looks reasonable	06:51
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johnx_	also depends on what you mean by cheap :)	06:52
texel	Heh	06:52
texel	Well, I was thinking used.	06:52
texel	Looks like one's available for around $70.	06:52
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texel	I was thinking for use as a compilation target with SB.	06:53
johnx_	ah...use qemu-system-arm	06:53
johnx_	probably faster than just about anything else	06:53
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texel	Mm. Unfortunately, I've not had much luck with that, I'm afraid.	06:54
johnx_	really?	06:54
texel	Ie: the aforementioned "unsupported syscall" errors.	06:54
texel	Emacs 22 won't even bootstrap, either, I'm afraid.	06:54
johnx_	I mean qemu-system-arm as in run a whole kernel in qemu	06:54
texel	Ahh.	06:55
johnx_	it's faster than just about any consumer available arm system if you have an athlon 64 or something better	06:55
texel	How about a quad-core Xeon system? =op	06:55
johnx_	I don't think it takes advantage of multiples cores/cpus :P	06:56
texel	Hehe	06:56
* texel goes to investigate		06:57
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KotCzarny	:)	07:08
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KotCzarny	re	07:08
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hoopy	echo 64.233.187.99 clownpenis.fart >> /etc/hosts	07:13
KotCzarny	irc: echo: command not accepted	07:14
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KotCzarny	hmm	07:17
KotCzarny	http://matchbox-project.org/screenshots.html	07:17
johnx_	yes?	07:18
KotCzarny	i wonder how much generic matchbox differs from nokia's	07:18
johnx_	probably, not a lot	07:18
KotCzarny	and if it will be useful to replace it	07:19
johnx_	while keeping the rest of hildon desktop? probably not helpful	07:19
KotCzarny	hum	07:19
johnx_	recompiling nokia's source with different options might be interesting	07:19
johnx_	like movable dialog windows	07:19
KotCzarny	yes, that's what motivates me to find another wm	07:19
johnx_	personally I'm a big fan of matchbox for embedded touchscreen linux	07:20
KotCzarny	nokia's wm is open?	07:20
johnx_	yes, source is available	07:20
KotCzarny	what name it bears?	07:20
johnx_	matchbox-window-manager IIRC	07:20
johnx_	it's in their source repo	07:21
KotCzarny	273kb	07:21
KotCzarny	lol	07:21
johnx_	pretty big O_o	07:21
johnx_	probably contains lots of graphics	07:21
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KotCzarny	themes: Default MBOpus blondie bluebox borillo	07:24
KotCzarny	o.O	07:24
johnx_	included?	07:25
johnx_	nice	07:25
KotCzarny	i wonder if they simply changed names	07:25
johnx_	hmm?	07:25
KotCzarny	or if those are completely different	07:25
johnx_	those sound like what I've seen on the zaurus/angstrom	07:25
johnx_	as in, more like the other screenshots on that page	07:25
KotCzarny	on nokia there are: echo, felicia, glasser, hendrika, plankton	07:26
johnx_	I'm pretty sure those themes aren't related	07:27
KotCzarny	probably	07:27
KotCzarny	http://pastebin.com/m1b2f40f7	07:31
KotCzarny	package build options	07:31
johnx_	you know, I think you can tell dialogs to be movable at runtime	07:32
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KotCzarny	* matchbox-keyboard-manager	07:35
KotCzarny	A GTK2 based tool for managing matchbox key shortcuts with gconf. As yet unreleased.	07:35
KotCzarny	that would be cool	07:35
KotCzarny	:>	07:36
johnx_	why?	07:36
KotCzarny	right now hardware keys are hardwired	07:36
KotCzarny	aren't they?	07:37
johnx_	wait, what are you trying to do?	07:37
johnx_	hardware keys generate a keysym and something listens for it	07:37
johnx_	the keysym can be changed if you really want I guess	07:37
KotCzarny	not without a xkeycaps etc.	07:38
KotCzarny	you can use vi	07:38
texel	Actually, I was just about to embark on doing just that.	07:38
KotCzarny	but that would require you to know xkeys names	07:38
texel	If you edit the xkb files, you can specify whatever you want. =op	07:38
KotCzarny	i know	07:38
KotCzarny	but i'm lazy	07:38
KotCzarny	:)	07:38
* johnx_ shakes his head		07:39
KotCzarny	also, it will provide easy way to create localized kb	07:39
johnx_	I thought there was already work towards that	07:39
KotCzarny	btw. i think i will map hw +/- to ctrl/alt	07:40
KotCzarny	that will solve irssi/screen/epic issue i think	07:40
KotCzarny	unless onscreen kb ignores 'real' kb keys	07:40
johnx_	you use the builtin os2008 xterm?	07:40
KotCzarny	right now i use ssh	07:40
KotCzarny	i wonder if enabling 'composite' will be hard	07:41
KotCzarny	anyone know if xserver is/can be enabled to use it too?	07:42
johnx_	isn't it already?	07:43
KotCzarny	matchbox compiles without composite	07:43
johnx_	probably because it doesn't use it	07:44
KotCzarny	which makes me wonder if the enabled composite in xserver	07:44
johnx_	pretty sure it's enabled	07:44
texel	Yeah, pretty sure it is as well.	07:44
KotCzarny	no xorg.log	07:44
texel	Dev instructions tell you to forcibly enable it for Xephyr.	07:44
texel	It's probably used somewhere in Sapwood.	07:45
johnx_	KotCzarny, it's not xorg per se	07:46
johnx_	texel, the hildon panels use it for transparency IIRC	07:47
KotCzarny	last time i mentioned it's not exactly xorg someone corrected me	07:47
KotCzarny	:)	07:47
KotCzarny	don't remember who it was though	07:47
johnx_	well, logs are disabled anyways :)	07:47
KotCzarny	nope	07:48
KotCzarny	there are few logbots	07:48
KotCzarny	just check google :)	07:48
johnx_	uhm...the x server logs	07:48
KotCzarny	ah.	07:48
KotCzarny	;)	07:48
KotCzarny	yes	07:48
johnx_	it mentions logs in the topic :P	07:48
KotCzarny	that's why i have said	07:48
johnx_	I mean, I can't make the shipped xomap create a log no matter what I do...maybe I'm missing something	07:49
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KotCzarny	maybe it's trying to log to ro fs?	07:49
KotCzarny	run with >/tmp ?	07:49
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Pauline92	Hi	08:00
texel	Hi	08:01
KotCzarny	Hi	08:01
Pauline92	I just got a Nokia N770 and I have no idea how to install applications	08:01
KotCzarny	settings -> application manager ?	08:01
Pauline92	I want to install envince for OS2006, but I can't figure out how to install it	08:01
Pauline92	*Evince	08:02
Pauline92	I mean	08:02
KotCzarny	how much do you know about *nix ?	08:02
Pauline92	Nothing	08:02
KotCzarny	aha, then you will have to find web installable version i think	08:02
KotCzarny	i may be wrong though	08:03
KotCzarny	i have n800	08:03
KotCzarny	http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/evince/	08:03
Pauline92	OK	08:03
KotCzarny	been there? clicked 'install' ?	08:03
Pauline92	I was there	08:03
Pauline92	I clicked Install	08:04
Pauline92	Saved it in "Documents"	08:04
Pauline92	I go to File manager -> Documents	08:04
Pauline92	and evince is there	08:04
Pauline92	I double click "evince"	08:04
KotCzarny	and?	08:05
Pauline92	It then loads up Application Manager and it has "Show installed applications", "isntall new applications", and "check for updates"	08:05
KotCzarny	i think you will have to enable extras	08:05
KotCzarny	because i see it in extras	08:05
Pauline92	How do I enable "extras"?	08:05
KotCzarny	there should be 'manage repos' or something	08:06
KotCzarny	one word of warning	08:06
KotCzarny	extras are packages made by various people	08:06
KotCzarny	may or may not work	08:06
KotCzarny	:)	08:06
Pauline92	I don't see "manage repos"	08:07
KotCzarny	in app-manager: tools -> catalogs manager	08:07
Pauline92	Yes	08:07
KotCzarny	there should be something with extras in the name	08:07
KotCzarny	select, edit	08:07
KotCzarny	should have 'disabled' checked	08:07
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KotCzarny	uncheck, ok	08:07
KotCzarny	and you should be able to see many new packages	08:08
Pauline92	I just have 4 repositories	08:08
Pauline92	I entered 2 of them	08:08
KotCzarny	it's in: http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free	08:08
KotCzarny	at least install file points there	08:08
Pauline92	I dont have that one	08:08
Pauline92	I have gregalse	08:09
Pauline92	http://repository.maemo.org/ gregale free non-free	08:09
Pauline92	Ah ok	08:10
KotCzarny	:)	08:10
Pauline92	I just had to enter "extras"	08:10
Pauline92	OK it's telling me I'm missing "libglade2.0 >= 1:2.3.6"	08:10
Pauline92	in order to install evince	08:10
rm_you_	>_>	08:11
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KotCzarny	btw. have you created new repo or just edited one of the existent?	08:11
Pauline92	I just reflashed it to new	08:13
Pauline92	installed the gregale SDK	08:13
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Pauline92	Now looking to install Evince	08:13
KotCzarny	why don't you try 2008he ?	08:14
KotCzarny	:>	08:14
Pauline92	I dont think it runs to well	08:14
Pauline92	even 2007he is said to be unstable	08:14
KotCzarny	aha	08:14
johnx_	2007he is worth a shot	08:14
KotCzarny	but you know how to reflash	08:14
KotCzarny	so it shouldn't be a problem if it doesn't work well	08:15
Pauline92	I just used the Windows GUI	08:15
Pauline92	You just click "Next" and it goes	08:15
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rm_you	right. which is enough :)	08:15
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rm_you	i would definately try 2007HE	08:16
rm_you	that opens up a LOT of much more useful software	08:16
KotCzarny	'definitely'	08:16
johnx_	anyways, for evince, try this: on the tablet, go to gronmayer.com/it, select OS2006, search for evince, hit "click to install" on the first repository (the one that has evince 0.90) then install evince from app manager	08:16
KotCzarny	:)	08:16
rm_you	shhhh	08:16
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KotCzarny	yes, you can always flash 2006 back	08:16
KotCzarny	widhout a problem	08:16
KotCzarny	without	08:16
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Pauline92	rm_you - have you tried 2007HE on N770?	08:19
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rm_you	no, but while hanging out in IRC here, i've talked to a lot of people that have. though, i did run os2007 on my n800, and i've been told it installs all the same packages fairly effortlessly	08:21
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Pauline92	rm_you - what is the difference between 2007 and 2006?	08:21
rm_you	basically, the n770 was the only device to run os2006, and most of the major development happened at the end of the 770's life cycle, and in the midst of the n800 is when a lot of stuff really took off	08:21
rm_you	which was all on os2007	08:21
rm_you	so you get an entirely new (and much larger) set of programs to install	08:22
johnx_	OS2007 has updated software and libraries	08:22
rm_you	it's a much more tested and fully developed OS than 2006	08:22
Pauline92	OK	08:22
johnx_	it's worth a try anyways	08:23
Pauline92	I'll giver her a go	08:23
KotCzarny	yeah. and it's 99% safe	08:23
KotCzarny	:)	08:23
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Pauline92	Thanks guys	08:23
Pauline92	What software do you recommend for your Nokia?	08:23
johnx_	plus 2007he comes with the wireless memory corruption fix so it should be more stable :)	08:23
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KotCzarny	maemo-mapper	08:24
rm_you	mplayer for playing video...	08:24
KotCzarny	definitely	08:24
rm_you	kagu or ukmp (or canola... does it support 2007HE?) for music	08:24
Pauline92	Can you watch youtube on Nokia?	08:24
KotCzarny	yes	08:24
rm_you	yes	08:24
KotCzarny	:)	08:24
rm_you	though it is sometimes.... iffyt	08:25
rm_you	*iffy	08:25
KotCzarny	yiffy?	08:25
KotCzarny	;)	08:25
Pauline92	What do you need for that? Just 2007HE?	08:25
rm_you	but if you use a tool like UKTube (comes with UKMP) it will download/play the videos perfectly if you give it the youtube URL	08:25
rm_you	yes	08:25
Pauline92	Nice	08:25
rm_you	though i'm not sure if he's updated it yet... youtube keeps changing its code and breaking uktube :/	08:26
KotCzarny	when they have dropped opera in favour of mikrob ?	08:26
KotCzarny	in 2007 or in 2008?	08:26
rm_you	2008	08:26
KotCzarny	uhum	08:26
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LinuxCode	morning	08:54
KotCzarny	not yet	08:54
LinuxCode	any of you getting categories to sync using gpesyncd ?	08:54
LinuxCode	mine just does my Personal category	08:54
LinuxCode	problem is I have two other categories too ;-\|	08:55
LinuxCode	which dont seem to sync atm	08:55
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LinuxCode	and when I add two items under those categories on the N810 they end up in personal in evolution	08:56
LinuxCode	I read that categories work	08:56
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LinuxCode	and Im sure they worked before	08:56
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LinuxCode	hmmm	09:00
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phani	hi all ... anyone tell me how do i toggle fullscreen on maemo? what Atom/keybinding should i look for ?	09:03
johnx_	as in what keysym the "fullscreen" key generates?	09:03
KotCzarny	yes	09:03
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phani	yes	09:03
KotCzarny	;)	09:04
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johnx_	F6	09:04
LinuxCode	morning john	09:04
johnx_	'mornin	09:04
phani	it toggles fullscreen ? or anyother key to get out of fullscreen ?	09:04
johnx_	toggles fullscreen	09:04
johnx_	that's the keysym that the "fullscreen" button generates	09:05
johnx_	xev will tell you the same :)	09:05
phani	thanks a lot	09:05
KotCzarny	xev isn't installed by default	09:05
KotCzarny	:)	09:05
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johnx_	it's a quick compile	09:05
KotCzarny	yes	09:06
KotCzarny	:)	09:06
phani	oh ... i didnt know .... thanks a lot for your help	09:06
tank-man	you can press f8 or something for fullscreen toggle on a keyboard	09:07
LinuxCode	hmmm	09:07
johnx_	f6 tank-man. I know :P	09:07
KotCzarny	f-fight!	09:07
Navi	A bit of a netstudder there	09:08
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LinuxCode	lol I just googled for gpesynd and I get a log from this chan as result!	09:11
LinuxCode	wtf	09:11
czr	ftw	09:11
KotCzarny	;)	09:12
KotCzarny	maagic	09:12
LinuxCode	I need a testing package for gpesyncd	09:12
LinuxCode	I think the 14th Jan version still had the category bug	09:13
czr	it's like yesterday, while debugging windows, I entered one error message directly to IE/Live search. the second entry on the search page was a reference to a friend's homepage, who was sitting at that time about 2 meters from me.	09:13
czr	that was pretty spooky. obviously the page had absolutely nothing to do with the error message.	09:13
KotCzarny	there was a funny vid about two guys zooming on google maps	09:14
KotCzarny	;)	09:14
KotCzarny	sattelite maps	09:14
KotCzarny	(;	09:14
Proteous	I saw that one, pretty funny\	09:16
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LinuxCode	meh cant find something newer	09:19
LinuxCode	;-[	09:19
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KotCzarny	nice	09:22
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desertc	no silverlight! boo!	09:34
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KotCzarny	yawn.	09:36
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KotCzarny	coming, and going.. fscked splits.	09:41
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febb	hi all	09:55
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febb	anyone here has an nokia 770 internet tablet ?	09:55
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febb	anyone has a nokia 770 internet tablet on hand ?	09:58
Navi	febb, chill	09:58
Navi	This is IRC.	09:58
febb	I know.....	09:58
Proteous	febb: yeah	09:58
Navi	You'll get your answer in 2-5 business days	09:58
KotCzarny	not true	09:59
febb	bet not ! ;)	09:59
Proteous	I HAS GOT 770	09:59
czr	WE HAS TROUBLE.	09:59
Navi	Ignore Proteous	09:59
Proteous	WHAT YOU NEAD	09:59
Proteous	heh	09:59
Proteous	hey, that's not nice	09:59
Navi	he's a dirty liar	09:59
KotCzarny	yadda yadda	09:59
KotCzarny	CAN I HAZ 770?	09:59
Tama^2	I am in your tablet touching your screen	09:59
KotCzarny	t00	09:59
LinuxCode	morning Tama^2	10:00
LinuxCode	hey Tama^2 are you using gpesync ?	10:00
Tama^2	Hi LinuxCode	10:00
Proteous	febb seemed very impatient a while ago, and now there is no answer	10:00
czr	I'm in UR maemo breekin qemu	10:00
LinuxCode	need to know if it synces all your categories	10:00
Tama^2	nope, I still haven't tried gpe	10:00
LinuxCode	if you do	10:00
LinuxCode	k	10:00
LinuxCode	only seems to sync my personal category	10:00
LinuxCode	as long as it synces	10:00
LinuxCode	I guess I can live with that	10:01
febb	there's an answer....	10:01
Tama^2	I will try it out soon	10:01
Tama^2	and let you knoe :P	10:01
LinuxCode	k	10:01
KotCzarny	k-noe	10:01
LinuxCode	cobb made a daily snapshot repo	10:01
KotCzarny	canoe	10:01
KotCzarny	:)	10:01
LinuxCode	tried latest thought that would fix it	10:01
LinuxCode	no luck Tama^2	10:01
LinuxCode	when you get to trying it out hehe	10:01
LinuxCode	;-}	10:01
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febb	hi red-zack , msanchez	10:02
msanchez	hi	10:03
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febb	msanchez: where are you from?	10:03
msanchez	from Galicia, Spain	10:03
febb	ah...looked like. ;)	10:04
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febb	hi ustunozgur	10:10
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ustunozgur	hi febb	10:11
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aquatix	morning all	10:15
febb	hi aquatiz....	10:15
febb	aquatix...	10:15
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aquatix	hey febb	10:16
* aquatix only has an N810, sorry ;)		10:16
* febb Looking for users with an Nokia 770, to get a backup of a file from the OS.		10:17
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tank-man	can't you just reflash or update ?	10:18
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johnx_	if all else fails you can grab the flashable image, pull the jffs2 image out of it, and mount that loopback on your desktop to extract the files	10:19
aquatix	yeah, was about to suggest something similar	10:19
febb	tank-man no, unfortunately no, I can't reflash or update...long story, but I can't. I just need to recover one of the video demo files that came with the 770, the DiscoveryChannel video...	10:21
febb	johnx_ that sounds like a possibility....	10:21
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johnx_	the flasher can "explode" the image so you can get at the jffs2, then you need a linux distro with mtd-ram.ko kernel module loaded (possibly some others) and jffs2 support, then just mount -o loop foo.jffs2 /some/dir	10:22
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febb	I am going to try that ....if I can't find someone with a 770 who just can transfer me the file...	10:24
johnx_	I bet that most people with 770s already deleted it to get the space back...	10:24
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febb	yeah, could be.... there is not even a site where to download it...except for the nokia firmware dl site.	10:26
johnx_	well, it contains proprietary Nokia software so generally people avoid mirroring it for legal reasons...	10:26
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febb	yeah, i know that...	10:28
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hrw	morning	10:36
hrw	febb: which file?	10:37
febb	I only need the Discovery channel video demo...	10:40
febb	i think it is named Discovery.vid	10:40
febb	hi hrw, by the way :)	10:41
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hrw	febb: tried to extract it from firmware image?	10:46
febb	hrw: not yet, I know I can do that...but no, I just tried looking for someone who could just transfer me the file... its a very long story.	10:47
johnx_	if you give me an image I'll extract the file for you. Should take about 5 minutes	10:47
febb	we are building a video processing software...NIT based, the issue is that many tests were made with that specific video.	10:47
febb	which is no longer in the n800 or n810.... and now it turns out that we need it.	10:48
johnx_	(an image or a 770 mac address)	10:48
febb	I can do that... hold a sec.	10:48
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febb	ok, got it finally.	11:13
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rm_you_	waking up in 4 hours... why do i always do this to myself >_<	11:14
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aquatix	rm_you: heh, sounds familiar	11:15
rm_you	the life of a computer scientist / enthusiast <_<	11:16
* rm_you sighs		11:16
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aquatix	rm_you: sleep well	11:21
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febb	well. guess I am calling it a night.....	11:24
febb	see you later all ..in here.	11:24
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Jaffa	Morning, all	11:31
Spakman	hello	11:33
ertwroc	hi	11:33
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cLin	is there a command in xterm to load up microb and go to website?	11:48
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tank-man	cLin, i just looked and yea there is	11:57
tank-man	example command: browser --url=slashdot.org	11:58
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cesman	or browser http://foo.bar	11:59
cesman	doh!	11:59
cesman	scrap that last one	11:59
cesman	tank-man: you following me from channel to channel? ;)	12:00
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tank-man	i'm thinking the same thing :P	12:00
* LinuxCode stalks cesman and tank-man on freenode		12:00
tank-man	i'm a guy, not a female :) you can stop stalking me	12:01
LinuxCode	lool	12:02
LinuxCode	men get stalked too	12:02
LinuxCode	by crazy women	12:02
LinuxCode	same principal	12:03
tank-man	i didnt need to know that	12:03
LinuxCode	I had a mate who got called 170 times	12:03
LinuxCode	by this crazy bitch	12:03
LinuxCode	I have a video of his mobile rining...	12:03
LinuxCode	haha	12:03
LinuxCode	so funny	12:03
LinuxCode	170 missed calls	12:03
LinuxCode	with it ringing ..then it stops...second later it rings again	12:03
cesman	damn	12:06
LinuxCode	yeh	12:07
LinuxCode	but for an outsider its kinda funny	12:07
LinuxCode	as long as its not your own phone ;-p	12:07
LinuxCode	but then Im in the UK so..	12:07
LinuxCode	we have laws against that	12:08
LinuxCode	your phone company would block the caller on request	12:08
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aquatix	yeah, here in the NL too	12:17
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florian	hi all	12:57
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johnx_	hello	13:05
LinuxCode	wb	13:06
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LinuxCode	anybody know what the qmu sdk application is based on ?	13:14
LinuxCode	qemu	13:15
LinuxCode	the first vmware image or the latest ?	13:15
LinuxCode	im getting a segfault	13:15
LinuxCode	trying to start maemo	13:15
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gomiam	mmm... I'm trying to use a N800 in host mode with the enclosed cable and I've been able to provide power to a USB hub I have	14:04
gomiam	but nothing else shows up	14:04
gomiam	I'm googling but I've had no luck yet about finding a good tutorial	14:06
johnx_	you did "echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode" ?	14:06
johnx_	(or used usbcontrol)	14:06
gomiam	mmm.. no, I'm using usbcontrol	14:06
gomiam	hold on	14:06
johnx_	I heard some mumbling about hubs and whitelists	14:06
gomiam	I'm going to connect to my WiFi router so I can tinker with it from a console	14:07
johnx_	can you try to plug whatever you're trying in directly	14:07
LinuxCode	dont hubs drain power like mad	14:07
LinuxCode	?	14:07
gomiam	by the way, where does the dmesg log reside?	14:07
johnx_	hubs can also soak up power like LinuxCode said	14:07
LinuxCode	it only supports a keybaord	14:07
LinuxCode	powerwise	14:07
LinuxCode	hds etc.. wont work	14:07
johnx_	gomiam, it doesn't reside anywhere	14:07
gomiam	LinuxCode: no problem with power, it's connected to the DC adapter right now	14:07
johnx_	LinuxCode, flash drives should work	14:08
gomiam	johnx_: oh. How does dmesg get the kernel messages then?	14:08
LinuxCode	johnx_, I read some issues even with flash drives	14:08
johnx_	some work at least	14:08
LinuxCode	but as I hvanet tired	14:08
johnx_	I'll test mine in a second here	14:08
LinuxCode	Id rather take your word for it	14:08
LinuxCode	than some sites	14:08
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LinuxCode	aka first hand experience	14:09
johnx_	I know I had a flash drive not work with my zaurus usb-host but others did	14:09
johnx_	some must be real pigs or tell lies about the amount of power they need	14:09
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yabbas	moo?	14:10
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LinuxCode	more than likely hehe	14:10
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johnx_	works great, even formatted as ext3	14:10
LinuxCode	if there isnt one specific standard they all just make their own ways to measure stuff	14:11
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gomiam	argh, isn't there a way to tail -f the kernel messages	14:11
gomiam	?	14:11
johnx_	gomiam, no	14:12
yabbas	Can anyone point me in the right direction to create a menu shortcut on maemo?	14:12
johnx_	yabbas, I'm pretty sure it's constructed out of .desktop files that live in /usr/share/hildon	14:12
johnx_	those might give you an idea of how to do it	14:12
yabbas	johnx_, tried looking at evinces, tweaking it - it states "X loading" and does nothing.	14:13
yabbas	this despite me being able to load said application through an xterm	14:13
yabbas	s/X/xyz	14:13
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gomiam	ok, now I'm getting some information	14:16
jku	yabbas, you'll need a service file. See /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ (from memory)	14:16
johnx_	and I seem to recall something about names needing to match in all places service, .desktop and someplace inside the app (?)	14:17
yabbas	cheers jku - I'll have a looksie	14:17
gomiam	I received a hub_suspend followed by a usb auto-suspend. What does that mean?	14:17
johnx_	I don't know...I've heard mumbles about hubs not being supported though	14:17
gomiam	oh	14:18
johnx_	can you try plugging whatever it is in directly?	14:18
gomiam	nope, no double female at hand yet	14:18
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johnx_	wait...how is it plugged into the hub?	14:18
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gomiam	I connect the tablet to the hub throught its own cable	14:19
Koshi	ohh, is this about using the tablet as usb host?	14:19
gomiam	and then connect the other peripheral to the same hub	14:19
Delio	usb hubs do not work like that	14:20
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johnx_	yeah...either I'm confused or there is no way that can work...	14:20
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jku	yabbas, could be I'm talking out of my ass (it's been a while since I did that), check the tutorial if it doesn't work	14:20
yabbas	weeeee :D it works - muchos thanks jku	14:20
jku	:)	14:20
johnx_	hmm?	14:20
* johnx_ must be very confused		14:20
yabbas	now all I need to do is package it up :-/	14:20
johnx_	ah, nevermind...lost track of the conversation...glad to hear it's working yabbas	14:21
yabbas	danke schone johnx_	14:21
johnx_	:)	14:21
gomiam	:/	14:21
Delio	you are using an usb hub like an ethernet hub except usb distinguishes between host and devices	14:21
gomiam	I guess I'll have to get a double female USB-A connector XD	14:22
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gomiam	Delio: oh, pity XD	14:22
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gomiam	stupid hub ;-D	14:22
johnx_	female-female adapters are cheap at least	14:22
Delio	eh ;)	14:22
gomiam	yup, and it's not like I didn't need the hub, anyway	14:23
Koshi	Hmm, just playing with f/f adapter here as well	14:23
johnx_	yup...I have a nice little no-name keyboard plugged into my N800 via one	14:23
Delio	mmm I should get myself one of those female to female adapters	14:23
Koshi	But it appears not to like working with anything	14:24
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* b0unc3 good morning		14:24
johnx_	Koshi, what have you tried?	14:24
johnx_	mornin' b0unc3	14:24
yabbas	Delio, cheap as chips from DealExtreme. I ended up buying two :)	14:24
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johnx_	mmm...chips	14:24
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* yabbas still wants to get a microAB plug to create his own		14:25
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gomiam	"not findink double usb female konnektor" ;-)	14:26
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gomiam	(I'm looking at dealextreme)	14:27
yabbas	lemme find it for ya - I ordered two last week	14:27
Tama^3	test 123	14:27
johnx_	321 tset	14:27
Tama^3	>.>	14:28
yabbas	gomiam, SKU 2646 :)	14:28
Tama^3	it appers to be working with my correct nick now	14:28
gomiam	thanks	14:29
yabbas	My plan is to get the microAB plug, solder a tiny ribbon cable to it, then stick SKU 7106to the back of the N810 for some memory luvvin goodness. ;)	14:29
johnx_	yeah, I have a truly random collection of things stuck out the side of my N800 now :/	14:30
Tama^3	somehow before it switched to using my first name, but Ido not remember entering it anywhere on the tablet	14:30
* yabbas grins at johnx_		14:30
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yabbas	johnx_, whacha got there?	14:30
johnx_	mini-b -> male A into a female A -> female A into a flash drive	14:31
yabbas	Tama^3, the tablet is all knowing, all seeing.	14:31
johnx_	all are just little adapters so there's no flex at all	14:31
johnx_	it worries me a lot :\|	14:31
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johnx_	it's ok when the keyboard plugged in on a flat surface, but with that assortment it's just begging to get snapped off	14:31
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yabbas	johnx_, aye worries me too...hence me looking at making my own :( Hama have a micro-usb cable for OTG devices but I don't think its microAB :(	14:32
yabbas	my thought is that if I have something like a small fragile ribbon cable soldered to the plug, any chance of bad flexing would simply screw up the makeshift rig as opposed to screwing up the port	14:34
yabbas	that and it should squeeze into the gap between the 810 and stand	14:34
johnx_	I think I'll just stick with a "travel configuration" and a "stationary configuration"...especially since the stand needs to be out for USB anyways	14:35
johnx_	that darn thing also feels fragile to me	14:35
yabbas	hehe	14:35
* yabbas scrolls a window in hildon with his mousewheel and wishes a scrolly wheel was present on the ITs		14:36
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yabbas	Is there an easy way to debianize a .tar.gz for self-installation? None of this dh_make stuff	14:39
johnx_	dh_make is the easy way	14:39
yabbas	bwah - dh_make fails to create the deb though	14:39
jnbes	anyone know what is the default lock code for n810?	14:39
johnx_	12345	14:40
jnbes	incorrect...	14:40
johnx_	then I have no idea	14:40
johnx_	12345 was right for the N800, IIRC	14:40
johnx_	yabbas, I feel your pain...I just had to make a .deb for a couple arch-independent files and it was still a PITA	14:41
johnx_	I probably did it a million kinds of wrong as well...heh	14:41
liri	it seems to me like the n800 is a bit slow/heavy on loading content rich websites like youtube	14:41
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johnx_	javascript and flash are slow	14:41
yabbas	johnx_, doing things wrong is my worry too :/ Man - RELEASING an app should be made easier!	14:42
liri	is it any better in the n810 version?	14:42
liri	because the software stack is the same	14:42
johnx_	the N810 is the same CPU/RAM/mainboard	14:42
johnx_	so no	14:42
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liri	ahh	14:42
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johnx_	maybe try flashblock and just click on flash you want to see?	14:43
liri	I'm wondering what are the everyday things people are doing with the n800/810	14:43
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johnx_	light browsing, ebooks, music	14:43
liri	I have only played with the n800 a little bit today, I'll do some more tomorrow	14:43
koshi	Ok, had network issues, but a keyboard works fine via a female/female adapter :)	14:43
johnx_	it's too easy for me to get sucked into youtube for hours...so I really try to avoid it O_o	14:44
liri	I'm wondering how streaming videos off of vlc or something would be like	14:44
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yabbas	liri, what johnx said - plus DivX's, VOIP, and GPS navigation	14:44
johnx_	there's a neat little auto-transcoding web based thing that someone was working on	14:44
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johnx_	and there's orb for windows of course	14:44
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liri	yabbas: divxs though have to be re-transcoded to play because it would probably be too heavy to play the normal movie files. what do you use for gps? (software)	14:45
koshi	At first it complained how it could not mount a file system from a keyboard (obviously) but then just worked fine :D	14:45
johnx_	koshi, it does that everytime :)	14:45
yabbas	liri: I'll be honest and say I've not transcoded most of the DivX's I download from the net - they just work. There is slowdown in heavy heavy action scenes but I live with it :) easier than transcoding,heh	14:46
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koshi	Ahh I see, at first I didin't realise it worked as by usual debug of a machine try pressing num lock and see if it lights up. It didin't so I asusmed it just didin't work	14:46
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johnx_	both of you might be interested in this then: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html	14:46
johnx_	I played with it a while back. when it works it's pretty freaking cool :)	14:47
yabbas	liri, GPS - I have a code from Wayfinder so that's what I use. Also wanna look into saving google map for offline usage with maemomapper.	14:47
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liri	looks nice	14:47
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liri	ahh yes	14:48
liri	well gps from wayfinder requires internet access and on the road it isn't very common... at least here	14:48
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liri	googlemaps isn't good here either becasue the streets are not mapped :(	14:48
yabbas	?	14:48
johnx_	well, that's no good :/	14:48
yabbas	why does wayfinder gps need internet access?	14:49
johnx_	I've heard that google maps' quality varies by country	14:49
johnx_	wait...maemo-mapper requires inet access for maps. wayfinder doesn't I thought	14:49
johnx_	(after the initial map download)	14:49
aquatix	yeah	14:50
yabbas	I'd like off-line satellite images for maemo-mapper simply because I get curious wondering what's over the fence :D	14:50
liri	umm, I could be confusing things... what software do you use for the maps on the maemo?	14:50
johnx_	there are two: "Maps" aka wayfinder, and maemo-mapper	14:50
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aquatix	wayfinder works offline fyi	14:51
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liri	so wayfinder are basically maps/program?	14:51
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aquatix	yes	14:51
liri	ahh nice, I thought it was like an online service for the maps (like googlemaps)	14:51
aquatix	no, that's the maemo-mapper program	14:52
liri	do they have world wide maps?	14:52
johnx_	kinda	14:52
aquatix	not quite	14:52
aquatix	but they cover a lot	14:52
yabbas	wayfinder's pretty much a bog standard "no frills" gps navigation software. Really wish we could parse their routable maps and create something better :(	14:52
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liri	what formats does wayfinder use for maps?	14:53
johnx_	some vector format	14:53
liri	it isn't like the igo format?	14:53
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aquatix	yay	15:02
aquatix	got my boxwave screen protector	15:02
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mgedmin	I have discovered that there are two types of command	15:09
mgedmin	interfaces in the world of computing: good interfaces and	15:09
mgedmin	user interfaces.	15:09
mgedmin	-- djb	15:09
jnbes	johnx_, it was 12345.... me must have crappy fingers... could you slap my face with a big rotten trout please? :-)	15:12
* jnbes must go buy replacement fingers		15:12
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johnx_	meh...no trout here	15:13
johnx_	don't worry about it	15:13
johnx_	I'll just write an IOU if that's ok with you :)	15:13
jnbes	iou?	15:14
johnx_	I owe you one trout slap, signed johnx	15:14
johnx_	:D	15:14
jnbes	ok, fine	15:14
* czr prefers YOMs		15:15
johnx_	czr, you wish I owed you a trout slap? O_o	15:15
czr	johnx_, of course.	15:15
czr	I'm that kind of boy.	15:15
* johnx_ kries		15:15
johnx_	there are skeery people on the internet...	15:16
jnbes	..	15:16
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czr	johnx_, people? :-)	15:20
aquatix	skeery?	15:20
* czr is pretty certain most nicks are just bots written in Tcl		15:20
jaska_	atleast i hope im not written in tcl	15:20
aquatix	ah, skeery	15:20
czr	jaska_, it could be worse. GW Basic.	15:21
johnx_	ti-basic is pretty bad too	15:21
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Juhaz	you can tell the language by how subtly they troll	15:22
johnx_	ahaha :D	15:22
Juhaz	the sad little spammers are clearly VBA macros running in MS Office	15:23
jaska_	now look what you started :)	15:23
johnx_	it's not my fault you're all written in tcl :P	15:24
johnx_	also, gah, sapwood-server is being a PITA	15:24
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czr	johnx_, not all. most. :-)	15:25
czr	some of the more silent ones are written in bf.	15:25
czr	they're not too bright in general.	15:25
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johnx_	heh...there was a better one than bf that I saw the other day	15:25
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* czr is pretty certain that most GTK+ coders are just latent bf-coders, being cranky.		15:26
advhertz	hello there, I would like to know please how to install the statusbarclock, I mean, indeed I would like to know in which repository it exists. Instead using the "manual" .deb file installation I would like to install it using the debian APT/maemo Appl Man program. This is the link of the project https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-clock/	15:29
johnx_	for OS2007 or OS2008?	15:29
advhertz	johnx_, OS2008	15:30
johnx_	I don't believe that it is available in a repository	15:30
advhertz	I have both "installed" yet the extra and extra-devel maemo repository...	15:31
advhertz	mhh...	15:31
advhertz	really?	15:31
johnx_	most repositories are listed on gronmayer.com/it . If you search for statusbarclock you can see that it's not available from any of them	15:31
johnx_	czr, check out the malbolge language...it went years without a hello world...	15:33
czr	johnx_, haha.	15:35
advhertz	johnx_, ok Thanks!	15:35
czr	it looks like Perl++.	15:35
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johnx_	the person who appears to have gotten the farthest with it programmed using cryptanalysis techniques O_o	15:35
shackan	with what?	15:37
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johnx_	shackan, malbolge...an "esoteric" programming language	15:37
ccooke	It's a fun language	15:38
* Jaffa ponders this Silverlight news. Were MS planning a Linux port anyway, as that'd be enormous news making the front of /. (/me then wonders if Nokia PR are slightly inaccurate about this)		15:41
johnx_	well, moonlight has been in progress for a while, IIRC	15:41
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* aquatix doesn't care about light from redmond		15:42
Jaffa	johnx_: Nokia and MS both advocating a Mono-based solution? I doubt it.	15:43
Jaffa	aquatix: personally, I don't care either - but the politics are important; and I know a lot of people who will care.	15:43
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aquatix	myeah	15:44
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johnx_	I thought moonlight/mono was at least not completely condemned by MS?	15:44
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Jaffa	johnx_: not sure. I know there's still enough doubt over it and patents. If it were Moonlight-based, I'd've expected Novell to be mentioned in the PR (although admittedly it was dealing with S60 primarily; S40 & ITOS were relegated to a footnote saying "watch this space")	15:45
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johnx_	hmm...I wonder if S60/S40 will have one implementation and ITOS will have another	15:46
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DaniloCesar	Will maemo accept projects in soc2008?	15:54
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plb	can you format a memory card within the n800?	15:55
johnx_	yes	15:56
plb	how does one do this? ;]	15:56
johnx_	in file manager :)	15:56
johnx_	select memory card, menu -> tools -> format	15:57
plb	thanks	15:57
plb	also, that nokia tablet software update wizard is capable of reformating the n800 right	16:00
plb	?	16:00
johnx_	yup...it "reflashes" the device, erasing everything on the internal flash	16:01
johnx_	gah...I should sleep	16:01
johnx_	'night all	16:01
plb	thanks	16:02
plb	night	16:02
plb	morning for me ;]	16:02
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plb	hm howcome I have an update to the application map but it won't let me install it? says it's from another source? And I just put os2008 on here	16:10
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SDuensin	Morning.	16:12
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plb	hm when you install something from maemo.org it automatically adds the repo to your source?	16:19
plb	ah nm	16:23
plb	maemo extras is already in but disabled by default	16:23
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plb	hrm this youtube plugin for canola2 looks nice	17:00
plb	wonder how long till we see it	17:00
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achadwick	Anyone else getting a dangling arm-none-linux-gnueabi-cc -> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc symlink when trying to use maemo-sdk for Ubuntu gutsy?	17:06
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k-s	plb: we're finishing last bits	17:09
plb	k-s: awesome, can't wait	17:09
k-s	also working on last.fm	17:09
plb	I actually haven't even tried canola yet..just got my n800 yesterday ;]	17:09
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plb	k-s: aweseom +2 ;]	17:09
plb	er	17:09
plb	aweseom even	17:10
k-s	and they'll be open source so people can extend canola	17:10
plb	only things I've installed so far are mplayer and pidgin	17:10
k-s	we still need some hooks so plugins can act, but these will come with time	17:10
k-s	and requirements, as we hate overthinking ;-)	17:10
plb	hehe	17:10
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lopz	hola	17:52
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LinuxCode	hello	18:10
LinuxCode	later all...time to have a kip	18:11
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KotCzarny	yawn, re	18:12
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pupnik_	an arm-optimized fmopl would benefit a lot of projects	18:15
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texel	Good morning, folks.	18:19
jamey	what is fmopl?	18:19
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pupnik	a FM-synthesis chip for sound generation used in mame, dosbox, and a number of game engines	18:20
KotCzarny	:)	18:20
pupnik	it would best to run it on the dsp	18:20
pupnik	the rest of the sound blaster could be on the ARM	18:20
KotCzarny	why	18:20
KotCzarny	pcm tasks would be usefull	18:21
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KotCzarny	i think..	18:21
pupnik	because many projects could use the fmopl on dsp directly, and a sound blaster on dsp would only be useful to dosbox	18:21
pupnik	also if you look at cpu use, only the fmopl chip takes up much time	18:21
pupnik	the rest of the sb is just some signalling and sound buffering	18:22
KotCzarny	pcm mixing can take some cpu too	18:22
KotCzarny	especially many chans	18:22
texel	KotCzarny: SB's weren't multichannel.	18:22
texel	Only the AWE was, and that was in a strange way. =op	18:22
texel	Multichannel mixing was always done in hardware.	18:23
texel	Now the GUS, OTOH... =o)	18:23
KotCzarny	:)	18:23
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* texel would've given her eye-teeth for a GUS back in the days of the XTs.		18:23
KotCzarny	and you would have regret it today	18:24
KotCzarny	;)	18:24
KotCzarny	teeth and eyes are important ;)	18:24
texel	Nah. Not really -- my eye-teeth just bite down on the inside of my lips, mostly. =op	18:24
KotCzarny	you would be amazed how much you will miss them	18:24
KotCzarny	:P	18:25
KotCzarny	:)	18:25
texel	Hehe	18:25
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hltpyldr	Hello! I have been looking for a C compiler for the N800 and have not been able to locate one on the maemo website or anywhere on the web. Surely there must be a C compiler available for the N800. Could someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks!	18:26
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KotCzarny	hltpyldr: do you need gcc or sdk?	18:26
KotCzarny	ie. you want to use it on nokia or prefer to just copy binaries from pc?	18:27
hltpyldr	Probably gcc I believe. Just for simple C programs that I will be writing in class.	18:27
KotCzarny	gcc and stuff is available	18:27
KotCzarny	though i don't remember exatcly from which repos	18:28
KotCzarny	if you don't have to enable them in a special way	18:28
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hltpyldr	Ok, thank you. I'll look around for gcc then and see if I can locate something. Thanks!	18:29
KotCzarny	try: apt-get install gcc	18:29
KotCzarny	maybe it's already available	18:29
hltpyldr	I have not tried apt-gett'ing with the n800. I was not sure if I would screw anything up since it's got the ARM processor and all. Apt-get will work for installing apps (assuming that what I am looking for is in the repo)??	18:30
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KotCzarny	nope, it's safe	18:31
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hltpyldr	that's great! i'll try it.	18:31
KotCzarny	unless you start playing with --force	18:31
KotCzarny	but that can break regular debian too	18:31
KotCzarny	;)	18:31
hltpyldr	do I need to be sudo?	18:32
texel	hltpyldr: you need root, certainly.	18:32
hltpyldr	k	18:32
KotCzarny	ssh could be convenient for that	18:33
KotCzarny	:)	18:33
texel	hltpyldr: fortunately, the apt repositories defined for the N800 are also ARM, so you're safe doing an apt-get install, etc.	18:33
hltpyldr	texel: that's great to know, thanks!	18:34
KotCzarny	another happy customer, ding	18:35
KotCzarny	that would be 5E	18:35
KotCzarny	;)	18:35
texel	5E?	18:37
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KotCzarny	5 EUR	18:37
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texel	Ahh.	18:38
hltpyldr	looks like there are several dependencies and it won't install them. it suggests that I use apt-get -f ...	18:38
GeneralAntilles	liri, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=What_can_I_do_with_this_thing%3F	18:38
KotCzarny	-f refreshed package lists, doesn't it?	18:38
KotCzarny	refreshes	18:38
texel	GeneralAntilles: Interesting writeup on that page, btw -- sounds like you make extensive use of the thing. =o)	18:38
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texel	No.	18:38
texel	-f forces an install.	18:38
hltpyldr	So -f is different from --force?	18:38
texel	apt-get update refreshes your package lists.	18:39
KotCzarny	ah, you're right	18:39
GeneralAntilles	I encourage anybody interested to add their own story.	18:39
KotCzarny	hltpyldr: don't force, satisfy	18:39
KotCzarny	:)	18:39
texel	GeneralAntilles: I probably will -- once I head out to Israel for my two week vacation. =o)	18:39
hltpyldr	I'll try update and upgrade and see if that solves it.	18:39
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KotCzarny	and choose a easier nick to type on irc	18:40
KotCzarny	;)	18:40
KotCzarny	an	18:40
GeneralAntilles	It's called tab-completion.	18:40
KotCzarny	it's called brain laziness	18:40
texel	Tab-completion is brain laziness of the first order. =o)	18:40
texel	Yay! My qemu build finished. =o)	18:41
KotCzarny	reminds me of all those automatically generated spam ;)	18:41
* texel shrugs		18:42
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hltpyldr	KotCzarny: texel: Thank you for your help. I have run apt-get update and upgrade and not all updates were made due to dependency issues. Still won't install gcc, but when I have more time, I'll install the dependencies.	18:44
hltpyldr	I need to leave now, but I wanted to thank you for your help!	18:44
KotCzarny	:)	18:44
hltpyldr	Have a great day! I'm psyched that apt-get works!!! Cheers!	18:45
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KotCzarny	now, that was positive ;)	18:45
texel	That just gave me a big warm fuzzy feeling inside. =o)	18:46
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texel	Any chance someone could show me what their /media/mmc2 line looks like in their /etc/fstab at all?	18:51
texel	(hopefully on an N810, but an N800 would work as well)	18:51
* texel thinks she may have goofed up the line somehow		18:51
texel	...and I need to compare it to the stock /etc/fstab	18:51
GeneralAntilles	mmc2 isn't mentioned. :\	18:52
GeneralAntilles	/dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 0	18:53
KotCzarny	txel: it's mounted from scripts	18:53
texel	That works, too. =o)	18:53
KotCzarny	ga: you don's have noatime	18:53
KotCzarny	;)	18:53
GeneralAntilles	It's stock, Kot.	18:53
texel	KotCzarny: the scripts just do a simple "sudo mount /mount/mmc#"	18:53
KotCzarny	and probably for / neither	18:53
texel	So if the fstab is written wrong, they won't mount properly.	18:53
texel	Or mount at all.	18:53
texel	GeneralAntilles: thanks. =o)	18:53
KotCzarny	texel: i believe it launches mount-mmc script	18:53
KotCzarny	:)	18:53
b0unc3	/usr/sbin/mmc-mount	18:54
KotCzarny	which will detect both cards	18:54
KotCzarny	or something	18:54
texel	Right.	18:54
texel	Perfect.	18:56
KotCzarny	:)	18:56
texel	Okay, so adding those options made mount /media/mmc2 behave properly.	18:56
texel	I had a bunch of weird ones in there.	18:56
texel	Like fmod=0666 and dmod=0000.	18:56
KotCzarny	also adding quiet as mount option is convenient	18:56
KotCzarny	:)	18:56
texel	I don't think the kernel understood what those options meant, so mount was failing.	18:57
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KotCzarny	/dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,quiet,utf8)	18:57
KotCzarny	:)	18:57
KotCzarny	those are mine	18:58
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KotCzarny	cool	19:09
KotCzarny	split again	19:09
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KotCzarny	umkay	19:11
KotCzarny	so preliminary fitting is done	19:11
KotCzarny	anyone wants to try kcbatt ?	19:11
KotCzarny	;)	19:11
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pupnik	what is kobatt?	19:12
KotCzarny	kcbatt	19:13
KotCzarny	it's a retu-adc.c but upgraded for n800	19:13
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texel	retu-adc.c? O.o	19:14
KotCzarny	tells you how much battery charge still left	19:14
KotCzarny	in percent	19:14
texel	Ahh.	19:14
texel	Where does it live?	19:14
KotCzarny	?	19:14
texel	In the CLI, or as a plugin somewhere?	19:14
KotCzarny	right now in cli	19:15
texel	Ahh.	19:15
KotCzarny	because i needed algorithm working first	19:15
* texel nods		19:15
texel	Makes sense.	19:15
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GeneralAntilles	I'm assuming more is coming? We've already got percentage: http://nitapps.com/	19:15
texel	Is it packaged up, or just a raw binary?	19:15
KotCzarny	raw binary	19:15
texel	Holy crap, where did all that come from? =o)	19:16
KotCzarny	ga: where's the source?	19:16
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KotCzarny	Note: Because battery-status relies on DBus signaling, running it has the unfortunate side effect of activating the battery applet. I will try to find a workaround for this.	19:16
KotCzarny	mine uses raw access to /dev/retu	19:16
KotCzarny	:P	19:16
KotCzarny	so, who has n8x0 and wants to test my algorithm?	19:17
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KotCzarny	and when i finish my rundown tests i will add times as well	19:20
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KotCzarny	anyway, here it is: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/	19:25
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KotCzarny	please let me know how well it works	19:28
KotCzarny	algo is v0.1 :)	19:28
pupnik	ty	19:28
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texel	Interesting output.	19:29
texel	While charging, I get:	19:29
texel	retu-adc #8: -1 n800: -148%	19:30
KotCzarny	on n800 ?	19:30
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texel	And with the charger disconnected.	19:31
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KotCzarny	which nokia do you have?	19:32
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texel	Mind you, according to DBUS, I have a full charge.	19:34
texel	This is on an N810.	19:34
texel	Well, you asked for an n8x0, so I figured that applied equally to the N810. =op	19:34
texel	I'm afraid I don't have an N800 to test with.	19:34
texel	N810 here.	19:34
KotCzarny	ah that will explain	19:34
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KotCzarny	770 used another retu field	19:34
texel	Ahh.	19:35
ac7ss	is there a shell command that will return the battery charge (N810)	19:35
KotCzarny	ac7ss: i'm working on it	19:35
KotCzarny	:)	19:35
KotCzarny	texel: wanna show me your adc?	19:35
texel	Erm... how? =op	19:35
KotCzarny	moment	19:35
texel	ac7ss: one that currently works (though with a rather annoying bug) is at http://nitapps.com/	19:35
KotCzarny	texel: same dir	19:37
ac7ss	oooh, just what I was looking for. (I see a few I wanted to write)	19:37
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KotCzarny	erm. wait	19:38
KotCzarny	ahm, ok, go on	19:38
KotCzarny	fixed one bug :)	19:39
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texel	Well, I'm afraid I can't stick around any longer.	19:40
texel	I have to get into work.	19:40
KotCzarny	let me know when you get back	19:40
KotCzarny	:)	19:40
texel	Sure.	19:40
KotCzarny	my guess fix is as simple as selecting another field	19:40
* texel nods		19:42
texel	Okay, out~!	19:42
KotCzarny	:)	19:42
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KotCzarny	ssvb :)	19:46
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ssvb	hi KotCzarny :)	19:47
KotCzarny	which nokia do you have?	19:47
febb	Hello !	19:47
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* febb Looking for someone who has a Nokia 770 and can transfer a file from the Operating system (video: Discovery.avi) to me trough IRC.		19:48
KotCzarny	o.O	19:49
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ac7ss	I can't install the repository from nitapps. :( I want GPS-Time.	19:49
ssvb	KotCzarny: 770 and N800, I also have still unused N810 developer's device program discount code :)	19:49
KotCzarny	ssvd: can you help me testing my program on n770/n800 ?	19:50
KotCzarny	:)	19:50
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febb	ssvb: Do you have a 770 on hand now?	19:51
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jaska_	ooh almost 10h uptime and no reboot	19:52
ssvb	febb: yes	19:52
febb	ssvb: Do you still have on your 770 the demo video from Discovery channel "Discovery.avi" ?	19:53
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ssvb	febb: unfortunately I deleted it to save space	19:53
febb	ssvb : well, thx anyway :) Hope someone still has it available on their 770.	19:54
Juhaz	you could always dig it from the firmware image.	19:55
febb	Juhaz: yeah, that is my last resort... Gotta find out how the firmware image is "built"..and then get into it...	19:56
ssvb	KotCzarny: Can't promise anything, I'm quite short of spare time lately	19:56
KotCzarny	ssvb: simple download, run and paste results to me	19:56
KotCzarny	:)	19:56
Juhaz	febb, there's a flasher option. --unpack, -u Unpack a FIASCO image	19:57
henrique	hi, anyone knows where microb store the list of sites opened?	19:58
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febb	Juhaz: that's good news. I suppose it unpacks the image into to the local pc disk...	19:58
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ssvb	KotCzarny: ok, I can try this in about an hour	19:58
KotCzarny	great, thx :)	19:59
Juhaz	or http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage/#2835bd18b76fb0352af794c2c00923e5	19:59
Juhaz	febb, yep	19:59
febb	Juhaz: thx!	19:59
febb	let me look at it right now.	19:59
ssvb	now I need to go offline, see you later	19:59
KotCzarny	:)	19:59
febb	Juhaz: that is with flasher 3.0, right?	19:59
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Juhaz	any version, probably.	19:59
febb	ok, let me check.	20:00
febb	thx	20:00
febb	downloading the image now.....	20:02
febb	the flasher's -u option does not work on the "regular" firmware image. Getting the FIASCO one now.	20:03
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GeneralAntilles	febb, they're all FIASCO.	20:08
GeneralAntilles	./flasher-3.0 -F <image> -u	20:08
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KotCzarny	quite unfortunate name for a product	20:09
KotCzarny	:)	20:09
GeneralAntilles	It's not a "product".	20:09
KotCzarny	part of the product	20:09
KotCzarny	is a product too	20:09
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febb	GeneralAntilles: mmmm wierd, let me double check why that -u option did not work then.....	20:10
inz	febb, did you give both -u and -F?	20:11
febb	yep.... and the flasher has +x permissions.... ..	20:11
febb	ah ! got it, it downloads with an extra "," (comma) at the end.	20:12
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febb	ok, worked... now I suppose I got to mount that root image... on a loop device.... correct?	20:13
Drges	KotCzarny, pfft	20:13
KotCzarny	drges: ?	20:13
Juhaz	it's not even part of a product. it's temporary storage for a part, like styrofoam packing.	20:14
Drges	It's a fucking image format, not a product.	20:14
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Drges	s/format/compression method/	20:14
infobot	Drges meant: It's a fucking image compression method, not a product.	20:14
KotCzarny	yes, and you buy your products in shops without containers	20:14
GeneralAntilles	It never stops.	20:15
GeneralAntilles	He can't turn off.	20:15
Drges	KotCzarny, I buy my gumballs out of gumball machines	20:15
KotCzarny	gumball machine is a packaging too	20:15
Drges	The machine is as much of the product as the air around it	20:16
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KotCzarny	but one you cannot take	20:16
Drges	and the light that hits it	20:16
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KotCzarny	marketing is a part of the product	20:16
KotCzarny	lol	20:16
KotCzarny	k-lined?	20:16
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GNUton	Hi	20:16
Drges	and the delivery truck, the men who delivered it, the paycheck that they recieve	20:16
Drges	from the profits that the corporations get	20:16
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Drges	from the money we pay them	20:17
KotCzarny	drges: yes	20:17
Drges	from the work we do	20:17
Drges	The point being, why does it fucking matter?	20:17
Drges	EVERYTHING is part of the product.	20:17
KotCzarny	yes	20:17
KotCzarny	otherwise it won't be a product	20:17
Drges	Quite the tangent there	20:18
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Drges	GNUton, Hi	20:19
GNUton	hey Drges!	20:20
Drges	Oh yeah, I remembered what i was going to say	20:20
GNUton	amnesia! :P	20:21
Drges	KotCzarny, quit being such a pussy, you tried to cover yourself by slightly modifying your incorrect statement into a statement that's impossible be wrong. Admit your fagness and get it over with. There are many people sick of your attitude.	20:22
KotCzarny	so what?	20:22
KotCzarny	you have attitude too	20:22
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KotCzarny	you don't like me? /ignore to the rescue	20:22
Drges	KotCzarny, all of it is directed towards you, your attitude is towards everyone in the room	20:23
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henrique	well, the browser history seems to be stored at ~/.opera/global.dat -- anyone knows how is this file structured?	20:23
KotCzarny	drges: i'm not a problem, i can be wrong, but i don't call other people names just because i don't like their attitude	20:24
KotCzarny	that's childish	20:24
Drges	KotCzarny, no, you're more of an asshole about it	20:25
KotCzarny	see?	20:25
KotCzarny	you did it again	20:25
Drges	At least I have the balls to be direct.	20:25
KotCzarny	:)	20:25
Juhaz	why don't you take your pissing match to /msg so everyone else doesn't have to use ignore?	20:25
KotCzarny	it's not the balls	20:25
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KotCzarny	it's just childish 'calling names'	20:25
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Drges	KotCzarny, and you're not doing the same with me at this moment?	20:25
KotCzarny	juhaz: it's them that have problem	20:25
KotCzarny	drges: nope, i'm just defending myself :)	20:26
Drges	Uh-huh	20:26
yabbas	Juhaz++	20:26
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Drges	henrique, it's a tree structure	20:28
Drges	saved as plaintext	20:28
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Drges	at least it should be	20:28
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henrique	Dregs, why do you think so?	20:34
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, Dregs! What the hell?!	20:35
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Drges	henrique, think what?	20:35
henrique	Dregs, that it should be a tree structure?	20:36
Mousey	flap flap	20:36
henrique	Dregs, and do you have some link about this?	20:36
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yabbas	right ... I'm editing the control file to build a deb. In the "Build-Depends" section - do I list JUST the build dependencies required to compile? Or should I list packages that are also required to use the application?	20:38
KotCzarny	yabbas: runtime	20:38
yabbas	ty KotCzarny	20:38
KotCzarny	unless you make a source-deb package	20:38
KotCzarny	ah, sorry	20:38
KotCzarny	wrong.	20:39
KotCzarny	you're right	20:39
yabbas	hmm, hokay.	20:39
KotCzarny	in depends is runtime	20:39
KotCzarny	:)	20:39
yabbas	so despite the port needing imagemagik I shouldn't list it there as the compilation didn't need it?	20:39
briand	"ah, sorry" "you're right" ...I think you're qualified to enter into a relationship with women, now. You've unlocked the secret. ;)	20:39
KotCzarny	briand: nope, i'm very stubborn	20:40
briand	yes, but you've learned the two magic phrases!	20:40
KotCzarny	i'm i know i'm right :)	20:40
KotCzarny	s/^i'm/if/	20:40
KotCzarny	briand: which nokia do you have?	20:41
briand	i've got the _right_ one! ;)	20:41
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briand	umm.. the n800	20:41
yabbas	repeat: so despite the port needing imagemagik I shouldn't list it there as the compilation didn't need it? ;)	20:41
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KotCzarny	briand: can you help me testing my batt util?	20:42
KotCzarny	:)	20:42
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briand	if (knackered == medicated) { print "no you don't!";	20:42
onion	got 4 more frames with vfp, not too bad	20:42
briand	oops.	20:42
briand	s/";$/"};/	20:42
lcuk	knackered == an hour of mario vs sonic at the olypmics	20:42
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briand	KotCzarny: batt util?	20:43
KotCzarny	to print remaining charge	20:43
KotCzarny	from command line :)	20:43
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briand	two questions, well, three now...	20:43
briand	1) do you have an n800, or another device	20:43
KotCzarny	n800	20:43
briand	2) has it been bricked?	20:44
KotCzarny	no	20:44
briand	3) where's the GUI ??	20:44
KotCzarny	gui has batt status already	20:44
KotCzarny	i need one that i can run in scripts	20:44
KotCzarny	that's the reason :)	20:44
briand	sh or pl?	20:44
briand	(or both?)	20:44
KotCzarny	c	20:44
KotCzarny	can be done in pl i guess	20:44
briand	c would be source, not script	20:44
KotCzarny	but i don't want to depend on perl	20:45
lcuk	why use a command line tool when its simple to do it yourself, just use command line util to take a screenshot, send it to an online printer, get them to fax the results back put it on a wooden table, take a picture and finally ocr it	20:45
KotCzarny	batt=`kcbatt -q`;	20:45
Drges	henrique, it was off of an old opera doc	20:45
lcuk	battery status == simple ;)	20:45
briand	depend on? nah... just make an optional perl module that will _also_ use the app to get results. :)	20:45
KotCzarny	:)	20:45
briand	see? I just doubled your software output, and you didn't need to do anything.	20:46
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KotCzarny	:)	20:46
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Drges	henrique, I don't know about the tree, but it's ASCII title, ASCII URL, and then ASCII Date/Time	20:46
KotCzarny	anyway, can you try it?	20:46
KotCzarny	:)	20:46
henrique	Dregs, I need to parse that file and get the list of sites accessed	20:46
briand	sure, why not (and why me?)	20:46
KotCzarny	mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/	20:47
henrique	Dregs, right! this is what I think too, but what about the last data (most of time being "-1") ?	20:47
Drges	henrique, the date/time in unix time format	20:47
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briand	oh, how boring.. a 'standard' dyndns addy? didn't like the .is-a-geek.com domain? ;)	20:47
Drges	-1 is when you've closed the browser	20:47
Drges	I believe	20:48
KotCzarny	briand: that was first i go	20:48
KotCzarny	and my d-link only supoorted dyndns	20:48
KotCzarny	:)	20:48
briand	yes, but dyndns allows you to pick a domain other than dyndns...	20:48
KotCzarny	and later i was too lazy to change dyndns provider :)	20:48
KotCzarny	oh	20:48
KotCzarny	:)	20:48
Drges	henrique, not "when" you've closed it, but the point in the history list where you did	20:48
* briand is briand.is-a-geek.com		20:48
KotCzarny	but dyndns.org is shorter	20:48
KotCzarny	and easier to remember	20:48
KotCzarny	:)	20:48
briand	well, not me... but my mythtv box	20:49
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briand	anyway.. ftp? http? what protocol are you running on port 23280 ?	20:49
KotCzarny	http	20:49
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briand	http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/ then...	20:50
henrique	Dregs, what does "point" means?	20:50
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Drges	henrique, I don't know. It just writes a -1 whenever you close the browser	20:50
KotCzarny	i have added 770 mode	20:50
KotCzarny	and i will add 810 when i get someone to report adc values	20:51
KotCzarny	:)	20:51
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Drges	henrique, there's no real significance unless you want a quick way to sort the history by days	20:51
Drges	I suppose	20:51
Drges	s/days/when you've closed it/	20:51
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briand	KotCzarny: is there no call to determine the maximum number of values in the ioctl? ...would probably be better than assuming there were only 15, no? (debug routine)	20:54
lcuk	KotCzarny, i just found a site offering a battery status console app (here : http://nitapps.com/ )	20:54
henrique	Dregs, yeah, thanks for the infos :)	20:54
KotCzarny	debug is for debug	20:54
KotCzarny	lcuk: does it run from cmd line?	20:54
lcuk	yes	20:54
lcuk	apparantly	20:54
KotCzarny	does it NOT depend on dbus?	20:54
lcuk	This is a simple command-line tool to display the remaining battery charge of a tablet.	20:54
lcuk	[user@nokia ~]$ battery-status	20:54
lcuk	[Dec 29 22:57] 97.6%	20:54
lcuk	no, this is dbus	20:54
KotCzarny	yes, thanks	20:54
lcuk	ahhhh: Because battery-status relies on DBus signaling, running it has the unfortunate side effect of activating the battery applet.	20:54
lcuk	are you getting it by scraping the metal?	20:55
KotCzarny	ioctl on /dev/retu	20:55
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lcuk	not that there is any harm in that	20:55
lcuk	:) cool	20:55
KotCzarny	anyway	20:56
KotCzarny	i would welcome ane feedback	20:56
briand	s/ane/any/	20:56
KotCzarny	how well it runs on different nokias	20:56
KotCzarny	apparently n810 uses tother field than n800	20:56
KotCzarny	i can provide a script to run retu-adc logging over time	20:57
KotCzarny	:)	20:57
briand	what happens on the 810, then? provides no result?	20:58
KotCzarny	wrong result	20:59
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KotCzarny	because it checks wrong field	20:59
KotCzarny	on 770 it's #2, on 800 it's #8	20:59
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KotCzarny	for 810 i have to get debug from someone :)	20:59
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briand	talk to the general -- he's got 2 of each	21:00
KotCzarny	he doesn't like me :)	21:00
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ertwroc	hi	21:02
briand	I am not!!!	21:02
briand	my eyes are always this color.	21:02
briand	hmph.	21:02
KotCzarny	not?	21:02
KotCzarny	:)	21:02
ertwroc	I have problem with n770. When I turn it on the screen is white with vertical gray lines. Any help?	21:03
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KotCzarny	huh	21:03
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KotCzarny	have you been hacking it?	21:04
KotCzarny	or is it hardware problem?	21:04
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KotCzarny	ssvb :)	21:04
ertwroc	no, but last days it has some resets	21:05
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ssvb	KotCzarny: I'm back	21:05
KotCzarny	ssvb: great, can you help me testing it then? :)	21:05
inz	ertwroc, that is a problem many users have run into	21:05
ssvb	KotCzarny: sure, what needs to be done?	21:05
ertwroc	inz: is any way to fix it?	21:05
lcuk	ertwroc, unfortunately the 770 might have fallen victim to WSOD	21:05
KotCzarny	i need you to run my app and report how well it runs	21:06
inz	ertwroc, afaik the only way to fix it is to change the display	21:06
ertwroc	inz: :/	21:06
inz	ertwroc, if your warranty has run out, the cheapest way is probably to buy new one	21:06
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briand	good excuse to upgrade to the n800, actually	21:07
ertwroc	inz: thanks for help	21:07
KotCzarny	:)	21:07
briand	E_NOCOFFEE	21:08
briand	eeks!	21:08
briand	brb	21:08
lcuk	ertwroc, do a google search for wsod n770 and see whether your fault matches	21:09
briand	is there an accepted/approved method of removing the maemo development environment (for nearly immediate re-installation of same), or is `rm -rf` within /scratchbox sufficient?	21:13
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febb	re hi Juhaz.	21:14
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briand	anyone?	21:16
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GeneralAntilles	briand, try / instead . . . just to be sure. :P	21:20
briand	umm.. i think not, but thanks.	21:21
KotCzarny	ga at it's finest	21:21
KotCzarny	:)	21:21
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briand	KotCzarny: perhaps, but he did, at least, provide an answer	21:24
KotCzarny	he was commenting on mine answers too	21:24
KotCzarny	:)	21:24
dragorn	briand: make sure you shutdown the sb environment, there should be an init script to do so	21:24
dragorn	briand: before rm -r'ing it, or else things will get all sorts of sad with the recursive bind-mounting it does	21:25
dragorn	or if not init script, a script inside sb that shuts it down	21:25
dragorn	i forget	21:25
dragorn	or just reboot and don't log into sb before rm'ing it, if you're willing to reboot	21:25
briand	'k... thanks. was just wondering if there was stuff outside of the /scratchbox area. i've already shut down the sb env	21:26
lcuk	quickest way to reinstall scratchbox for me is to re-extract the vmware image ;)	21:26
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briand	dragorn: are you, by chance, the same dragorn that at one time created alternative .ko sources for the orinoco wireless card?	21:27
dragorn	yeah	21:27
briand	cool. nice to meet ya.	21:27
dragorn	and if theres a better way to remove sb than shutdown and rm -r, I don't know it	21:27
dragorn	that was a horrible misadventure, that freaking orinoco stuff. I gave up, eventually.	21:28
briand	won't compile on my FC8 box, under 2.6.23.15 kernel.	21:28
dragorn	doesn't surprise me in the least	21:28
dragorn	everything the kernel is totally different now	21:29
briand	:nod: and it looks like those that took it up followed through until about 2.6.21 .. perhaps I'll just wait a bit.	21:29
dragorn	honestly I don't even know where my orinoco is	21:29
febb	hi... anyone knows how to solve a "can't read superblock" error when unpacking a 770 firmware image and mounting the rootfs on a loop device. ?	21:29
febb	any hint is appreciated.. thx.	21:30
briand	i know where mine is... but i was hoping to do some kismet with it.. perhaps another time. not a pressing issue, to be sure	21:30
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dragorn	briand: I'm much more interested in the mac80211 softmac layer	21:30
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dragorn	still trying to fix the kismet startup reliability issues on the nokia before doing a package, it's working maybe three in every five launches	21:31
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briand	...which may be what's preventing the compile here...	21:31
briand	dragorn: cool. :)	21:31
ynezz	dragorn: hm, here it runs fine	21:32
briand	I fixed up the includes to point to the correct headers (linux/autoconf.h instead of linux/config.h, etc) .. but now it complains during compilet that 'mac' is not a member of sk_buff	21:32
dragorn	ynezz: sometimes it does. every time I think it's nailed down to running properly, the next time I fire things up it craps the bed and the NIC drops dead a few seconds in	21:32
briand	but, again, not an urgent thing here... let me get the maemo env re-installed on my other machine..	21:33
briand	dragorn: thanks, again, for your help. :)	21:33
ynezz	dragorn: I just manually do ifconfig/ifconfig before and after running kismet	21:33
dragorn	and the only way I've found to get it even slightly consistent is to nuke wlancond and the power control, which means you have to reboot after running or else your battery tanks	21:33
dragorn	ynezz: yeah, that's all kismet does internally. Isn't reliable on any device I've got.	21:33
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dragorn	ynezz: all it's doing is issuing the ioctls to set the interface mode, same as iwconfig and ifconfig	21:34
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dragorn	ynezz: but either powersave or wlancond likes to take away the interface at some point and then it just stops getting packets w/ no error condition	21:34
briand	easy enough to test, isn't it? you can turn the wlan polling to 'never'	21:35
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briand	...and, likewise, crank up the powersave timeout	21:35
dragorn	briand: yeah, doesn't help. Effectively the same as killing wlancond	21:35
dragorn	powersave is relatively undocumented, and snapshotting the iw power state and restoring it, doesn't restore it	21:35
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dragorn	which will kill a fully charged device in about 2 hours, idle	21:36
briand	ouch	21:36
dragorn	so theres some non-iw power control going on in there, too	21:36
briand	...or, maybe it's just cranked up to 100 mW the whole time?	21:36
dragorn	killing wlancond is a sledgehammer approach, but prevents the whole reconnection/some other app trying to take over wireless	21:37
dragorn	shouldn't matter if it is, if it isn't sending any data	21:37
dragorn	whatever kills it doesn't change mode, it just stops getting packets anymore. Amusingly, this is exactly the same problem with the new orinoco drivers, but totally unrelated	21:38
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briand	it's a self-inflicted DoS attack! ;)	21:39
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ynezz	dragorn: how long does it take when kismet stops receiving packets? I tried to run/stop it three times and it still works	21:45
dragorn	2-5 minutes	21:46
dragorn	or just use tcpdump	21:46
dragorn	same problem there	21:46
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ynezz	hm strange, I was running airmon-ng for about 6 hours and no problem	21:47
smackpotato	is therfe any way to view bloomberg video	21:49
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pupnik	is there some magic to save a snapshot of a running program to flash and then resume it later?	21:50
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dragorn	ynezz: when it works, it works. Problem is, it doesn't all the time.	21:50
dragorn	pupnik: not that I know of	21:50
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pupnik	"Application State-saving and Auto-save" http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html	21:52
script	pupnik: sure, there are some magic process freezers for linux	21:52
script	take http://cryopid.berlios.de/ e.g.	21:53
pupnik	ty script	21:53
script	but this is _serious_ stuff ;)	21:53
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pupnik	yeah script ... i'd like saving state for dosbox...	21:55
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dragorn	yeah I was going to say there is some freeze/restore stuff, but nothing commoditized	21:57
dragorn	i'd say you'd need to patch dosbox then to freeze emulation state	21:57
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dragorn	saner than trying to freeze linux state	21:57
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script	yeah .. i just succesfully freezed "top" (on x86 though)	21:58
script	and replicated it a few times ... ;)	21:58
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script	well .. freezing dosbox.bin didn't succeed ..	21:59
pupnik	how about minimizing the window before freezing?	21:59
script	X-programs seem to have problems	22:00
pupnik	mmk	22:00
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pH5	pupnik: fmopl.c compiles for the dsp with minimal changes.	22:09
pH5	Setting up a dsptask shouldn't be too hard, I guess.	22:09
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pupnik	pH5 maybe there's a minimal adlib player program that can be used to do the development	22:10
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pupnik	then integration into scummvm, freesci, dosbox, exult, etc can be done by others	22:11
pH5	pupnik: yes, right now I'm trying to modify libadplug + adplay	22:11
pupnik	way cool	22:11
jaska_	heh, exult, original u7 was lower res than the tablet display :)	22:14
GeneralAntilles	Lots of old games are lower res than the tablet display. :P	22:14
jaska_	true	22:14
GeneralAntilles	Heck, the Nintendo 64 is lower resolution than the tablet display. :P	22:15
yabbas	Is there anyway I can sneak a few files into dpkg-buildpackage, say maemo icons, etc that aren't part fo the build process?	22:15
KotCzarny	yes	22:15
yabbas	Excellent, that answers the first part of the question. Now how would I go about doing that? :)	22:16
KotCzarny	let me look at examples :)	22:17
yabbas	sankyou	22:17
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KotCzarny	hmm	22:18
KotCzarny	i guess apt-get source busybox will answer your question	22:18
KotCzarny	and looking in debian/	22:19
KotCzarny	:>	22:19
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KotCzarny	in debian/rules there is:	22:20
KotCzarny	binary-arch: install	22:20
KotCzarny	(...)	22:20
KotCzarny	install debian/local/tempfile debian/busybox/bin/	22:20
KotCzarny	which probably adds debian/local/tempfile to package	22:21
KotCzarny	but that's my guess	22:21
KotCzarny	i'm a slackware man anyway :)	22:21
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* hoopy cut his linux teeth on slackware		22:25
hoopy	does slackware have a package management system yet?	22:25
KotCzarny	it always had	22:25
hoopy	well it doesn't deal with dependencies does it?	22:27
KotCzarny	nope	22:28
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hoopy	i wouldn't really call what it has a package management system	22:31
hoopy	it's really just a bunch of app archives	22:31
KotCzarny	yes, but it never failed on me	22:32
KotCzarny	simple and effective	22:32
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EvilGuru	Can anyone explain user management to me? Am I correct in assuming that the default user has no password and is functionality equiv to root?	22:50
KotCzarny	no	22:51
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EvilGuru	KotCzarny: How does it work?	22:52
\|\|cw	EvilGuru: sudo is used heavily	22:53
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Tama^2	hello	22:53
EvilGuru	I have installed some apps etc, but never been asked for a password	22:53
Juhaz	the application installer is suid	22:54
EvilGuru	I was expecting when I configured it to be asked for a password, but can not remember choosing none	22:54
Juhaz	or sudoed without password	22:54
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yabbas	right I give up :(	22:55
EvilGuru	On user/personal info, I do not recall entering my name, how does it know it/	22:55
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* yabbas can't for the life of him package things up easily :( :(		22:56
pupnik	yabbas: ar x .deb to extract files from a .deb archive and ar q .deb file1 file2 to add files to a .deb archive	22:57
yabbas	on top of it all - I can't seem to install tetex-bin on the N810 through apt-get; yet it installs fine under scratchbox	22:57
leif__	hey konttori, have you seen how we did icons in the 2008 LCARS themes? Turns out they are themeable after all!	22:57
yabbas	pupnik, thanks for that, I'll try once more. _ideally_ I wanted to learn how to tweak the makefiles to add it using dh_make/dpkg-buildpackage	22:58
pupnik	yeah well if you ever write a howto on that let me know	22:59
leif__	just set gtk-icon-theme-name = "foo" in the gtkrc, and icons in /usr/share/icons/foo will override the hicolor set	22:59
yabbas	pupnik, "lol"	22:59
yabbas	so it's not just me then	22:59
pupnik	i'm just too stupid and tired to absorb all that info, but i can remember "ar x" and "ar q"	23:00
inz	pupnik, the files inside a .deb "ar" archive should be data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz, so adding files is not quite that easy	23:04
pupnik	i already knew 'tar'	23:05
inz	pupnink, sure, but "adding files" to a .deb archive isn't quite as simple as using ar	23:06
inz	pupnik, well, sure ar q does add files to the archive, but they're not installed when the package is installed	23:07
pupnik	ok thanks for the correction - lazy typing here	23:08
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zetheroo	I have successfully paired my bluetooth headset on my N800 ... but now what?	23:10
zetheroo	can I skype with it?	23:11
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zetheroo	seems that its pretty useless....!?	23:11
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GeneralAntilles	?	23:12
GeneralAntilles	You use it as a headset.	23:12
GeneralAntilles	Whatever situation you might find a headset useful in, that's where you use it. . . .	23:13
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Jaffa	re	23:16
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lcuk	pupnik - im havin a great time reading "the unix haters handbook" at the moment, im finding all sorts of things relivant to my experiences with linux and maemo. might be worth a read yourself (and others) its pdf and free http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/unix-haters.html	23:18
zetheroo	GeneralAntilles: well I would find it useful if any of the programs ont he device could actually utilize it	23:18
zetheroo	like Skype	23:18
zetheroo	or the media player	23:19
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GeneralAntilles	Uh, they can. . . .	23:19
lcuk	does mediaplayer not send data to the headset?	23:19
lcuk	i dunno about skype because i gave up when i had no video	23:19
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zetheroo	GeneralAntilles: how?	23:20
derf	Why does that book look like just a lot of propaganda?	23:20
lcuk	because it probably is - but its not meant to be serious - if you get as far as the foreward i think the guy says it started way before he got to MS	23:21
KotCzarny	derf: don't take it seriously :)	23:21
derf	Okay, good.	23:21
lcuk	but, im actually learning lots about the system - essentially seeing what not to do	23:21
KotCzarny	there are valid points in it	23:21
derf	Because I don't think Microsoft gets to complain about security or file system corruption.	23:22
KotCzarny	though	23:22
KotCzarny	:)	23:22
derf	lcuk: I got as far as the table of contents.	23:22
GeneralAntilles	zetheroo, it just works here.	23:22
lcuk	no, im learning about how unprotected the command line is - and understanding why its right to be though	23:22
KotCzarny	tough?	23:22
KotCzarny	:)	23:22
jaska_	unix sucks, unfortunately everything ive come across sucks more :)	23:23
\|\|cw	all software sucks	23:23
KotCzarny	nope	23:23
KotCzarny	:)	23:23
zetheroo	GeneralAntilles: do you have to switch sound devices anywhere?	23:23
KotCzarny	for lazy people like me software is usefull	23:23
derf	I'm amused they think that a movie and popcorn can be had for $10.	23:23
lcuk	i still havent attempted to delete anything from the command line yet	23:23
KotCzarny	lcuk: get mc	23:24
KotCzarny	:)	23:24
\|\|cw	something can suck and still be more useful than doing without	23:24
lcuk	when i need to do major pruning and reorganising i use the windows scp client :$	23:24
KotCzarny	lcuk: have you ever used/liked nc/total commander ?	23:24
lcuk	i feel safer and understand the gui better than i ever will the cmd line	23:24
\|\|cw	derf: maybe if you rent one and get microwave popcorn	23:24
lcuk	if i remember its a dual pane view - like directory opus was on the amiga	23:24
KotCzarny	yes	23:25
KotCzarny	invaluable tool	23:25
KotCzarny	:)	23:25
derf	\|\|cw: Maybe, though probably not for much longer.	23:25
lcuk	i adored dopus but nowadays prefer the c&p tree - i can open as many trees as i want and arrange them how i need - sometimes its side by side - others its just overlapped	23:25
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lcuk	i know this is wrong channel, but increasing the memory clock from DDR333 to DDR400 (the memory/mobo supports it, its been underclocked all this time) will have quite a large effect won't it?	23:29
KotCzarny	about 20%	23:30
KotCzarny	:)	23:30
lcuk	good enough - its the missuses machine ive just overhauled it after her sims started crashing and noticed it was under :) that will earn me brownie points	23:30
KotCzarny	but do a burn-in test to be sure	23:30
KotCzarny	memtest86 is a nice test	23:31
lcuk	i know the mem can handle it - i bought it all at same time and somewhere along the way the bios has clocked itself back down because when i had it up here it was at fullspd	23:31
lcuk	no need - sims is a bigger test	23:32
KotCzarny	lcuk: but you have to check how the whole system behaves	23:32
KotCzarny	hehe	23:32
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lcuk	as i said it used to be fine - machine just got clogged up in the last couple of weeks we had a major dust storm and all machines in the house ended up with clogged fans	23:33
* yabbas sighs		23:33
KotCzarny	lol	23:33
yabbas	It's not as easy as packaging it all up manually :( http://madabar.com/techblog/2007/07/15/manually-creating-a-deb-package-for-maemo/	23:33
lcuk	dust storm = 1 small child with a family sized bucket of talc	23:33
* yabbas gives up		23:33
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KotCzarny	lcuk: how does nokia handled it?	23:33
KotCzarny	or it was in another place :)	23:34
lcuk	that doesnt have fans and that is covered by the apple kb when not in use	23:34
lcuk	all jake could say was "look dad, its snowing"	23:34
KotCzarny	:)	23:35
KotCzarny	kids are terrifying sometimes	23:35
KotCzarny	mom, mom, look what i've found :>	23:35
lcuk	kids are terrific all the time :) (apart from when they aren't) ;)	23:35
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lcuk	hes great, he brings us worms and bugs from the garden - missus freaks but i tell him what it is :D	23:36
KotCzarny	yeah..	23:37
* KotCzarny hates bugs and worms		23:37
KotCzarny	:)	23:37
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KotCzarny	hi spirytusik	23:38
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spirytusick	yo!	23:39
KotCzarny	which nokia do you own?	23:39
KotCzarny	i need someone with 810	23:39
KotCzarny	:)	23:39
spirytusick	n800	23:39
spirytusick	but i can write additional 10 on it :)	23:40
spirytusick	KotCzarny: What are you testing ?	23:40
KotCzarny	my battery checker tool	23:40
KotCzarny	works fine for 800	23:40
KotCzarny	but i need testing it on 770 and 810	23:40
spirytusick	:( sorry cannot help	23:42
KotCzarny	:)	23:42
EvilGuru	On my local network, to which my 810 is connected and on the network there is a DNS server. On my other systems I can type ping foo but on my 810 I need to type ping foo.intra (intra is my domain)	23:42
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KotCzarny	evilguru: add search to /etc/hosts	23:43
KotCzarny	search intra	23:43
KotCzarny	to be exact	23:43
EvilGuru	Not /etc/resolv.conf	23:44
KotCzarny	erm	23:44
KotCzarny	yeah	23:44
KotCzarny	my mistake	23:44
KotCzarny	/etc/resolv.conf	23:44
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EvilGuru	that is where I do it for some of my Linux systems (some just find it)	23:44
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fysa	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPm3wk3FjxU	23:45
KotCzarny	fysa: do you own 810?	23:45
fysa	nope, 800, sorry.	23:46
KotCzarny	uhum	23:46
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pupnik	you might be interested in Rick Falkvinge's speech at Google: "Copyright regime vs. Civil Liberties" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2541736281918823479	23:51
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KotCzarny	http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4179	23:57
KotCzarny	:>	23:57
lcdd	pupnik: it's good. especially the "we get to play 'who wants to be prime minister'" part	23:57
fysa	http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/wfchannel/index.php?pagenum=6	23:58
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fysa	live stream of someone talking about that Gigabyte MID in comparison to the N810	23:58
KotCzarny	and this one in the context of mobile guis: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4178	23:59

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