IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-03-05

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drjnutHi! does anyone achieved to record video on n810?00:02
drjnutI used gstreamer along with the hantro4200enc, but quality is poor...00:03
livindedusing the camera?00:03
livindedI think it's just a shitty camera00:03
KotCzarnyuse mplayer00:03
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drjnutKotCzarny, mplayer?00:04
KotCzarnyerm. mencoder00:04
ds3there is a update/beta camera app that suppose to do video00:04
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drjnuthow do I select video0 for input? (I'm used to mencoder on the pc)00:04
KotCzarnyexec mencoder -nosound -o cam.avi \00:04
KotCzarny -noautoexpand  \00:04
KotCzarny -ofps 10 \00:04
KotCzarny tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=176:height=144:device=/dev/video0 \00:04
KotCzarny -sws 0 -vf yuvcsp \00:04
KotCzarny -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:turbo00:04
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KotCzarnyif you need sound just google for mencoder options00:05
drjnutKotCzarny,  thx a lot00:05
drjnutI'll be fine00:05
drjnutI tested mplayer with tv:// but it said tv wasn't compiled in, so I dropped it00:05
drjnutI like to see what it does on mplayer before using mencoder00:06
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KotCzarnydrjnut: just for your info: i had to recompile mencoder00:06
KotCzarnyif you want a binary i can give you it00:06
KotCzarnybtw. cam. in nokia is exposed as regular v4l2 device00:06
KotCzarnydo any program you have used on pc will work00:06
* drjnut 's mum told him not to accept binary from strangers00:07
KotCzarnythen compile it yourself00:07
drjnutyhx a lot00:07
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infobotdrjnut meant: thx a lot00:07
KotCzarnyyou will have to fix it though in a few places00:08
drjnutinfobot is clever!!!00:08
drjnutno problem00:08
KotCzarnymostly undefined variables00:08
KotCzarnyjust copy them from mplayer.c i guess00:08
KotCzarnyworked for me ;)00:08
drjnutWhat is the best resolution one can achieve on playing videos on n810? using which codec?00:09
drjnutI saw 400x240 works fine00:10
drjnutbut I'd like to go HD :-)00:10
KotCzarnybut only ~4fps00:10
KotCzarnyon n80000:10
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NaviWhy go HD on a screen that's only 800x480?00:10
KotCzarnyfor playing i achieved 23fps at 720x44800:10
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NaviWhat a waste of mah pixelz00:11
drjnutNavi, it was just a joke!00:11
Navidrjnut, liar00:11
GeneralAntillesNavi, no transcoding. :)00:11
KotCzarny225dpi screen looks cute :>00:11
drjnutfrench guys likes to joke00:11
KotCzarnythat 4fps was about camera speed00:12
drjnutNavi, btw, 800x480 ~= 480p00:12
spirytusickdrjnut: well on out IT's HD usually means Horribly Delayed...00:12
GeneralAntilles480p isn't HDTV00:12
NaviStill not high definition00:12
Navijust EDTV00:12
spirytusickHD starts at 720p afaik00:12
drjnutoh my...00:13
drjnutI didn't want to start a resolution war...00:13
drjnutI said HD (not HDTV) with respect to 400x24000:13
KotCzarnyi'm just happy with ~vga res vids00:14
drjnutIf I want to watch HDTV, I use my 24"  (1280p)00:14
KotCzarnyi'm shortsighted anyway00:14
* drjnut wears big glasses00:14
Tama^2my HD has more pixels than yours >.>00:14
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drjnutTama^2, !!!00:14
drjnutI must go buy another one00:15
spirytusickKotCzarny: I normally encode at 400x240 .. suits me ok. I've got a pair of glasses free with 12p themes package :)00:15
drjnutbigger, stronger, faster00:15
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spirytusickdrjnut: gotta be carefull when looking into the sun... :)00:15
spirytusickdrjnut: spontaneous sunlight focusing can do terrible harm :)00:16
drjnutspirytusick, I'm a vampire... the sun never sees ùe00:16
infobotdrjnut meant: spirytusick, I'm a vampire... the sun never sees me00:16
spirytusickdrjnut: especially in your case :)00:16
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drjnutspirytusick, which codec do you use? I'd like to use theora, but had no time to test (got my 810 last friday)00:17
spirytusicki stick with a tablet-encode script. easy, does batch converting and saves me the trouble of memorizing mencoder cli switches...00:18
Tama^2"Nokia will also make Silverlight available on its Series 40 devices and its Internet Tablet devices, the companies are expected to announce Tuesday."00:18
KotCzarnywhat's that silverlight thing?00:18
spirytusickKotCzarny: like flash but ms made... a bit00:18
drjnutspirytusick, ok00:18
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Tama^2finally professionally written reliable software for the tablets... not00:18
drjnutI like to use gstreamer, so I'll try to find good settings00:19
spirytusickwell hildon-active-desktop will propably follow :)00:19
drjnutsilverlight is very bad for my vampire's eyes00:19
KotCzarnyi guess it can be uninstalled00:20
spirytusickTama^2: bringin your machine to its knees at no extra cost... :)00:20
leif__silverlight is Microsoft being jealous of Adobe's success in making the web less open00:20
pupnikduke3d is now a lot faster thanks to sol's work tonight00:20
* spirytusick salutes sol00:20
drjnutwhen will duke nukem forever be released on maemo?00:20
KotCzarnyi would welcome ami/ps1 emulation ~30fps00:20
spirytusickpupnik: hey hey :)00:20
spirytusickKotCzarny: I would settle for ami emulation at a500 speeds but with sound :)00:21
KotCzarnybut 25fps pls00:21
spirytusickKotCzarny: I can't wait for that :) yep 2 pal frames will do...00:21
pupnikhave any of you tried OSEmuTech's euae yet?00:22
KotCzarnybtw. nokia's screen is refreshed @51hz i guess00:22
spirytusickpupnik: did not have time, I doubt is that much faster though. it might be more compatibilie as e-uae includes some fixes from winuae which is probably the only amiga emulator being actively developped00:22
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spirytusickpupnik: but the weekend is closer rather than later now, so I guest I will have to find out.00:23
spirytusickpupnik: frankly, I cant wait :)00:23
spirytusickupss I meant the weekend is closer than it was yesterday :)00:24
pupnikyeah.  well the uae frontend is usable - but doesn't have game profiles00:24
* spirytusick needs more coffe00:24
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pupnikYou're older than you've ever been also00:24
KotCzarnyyeah. food time00:24
spirytusickpupnik: your front end works perfectly. I've noticed that it does not remember settings though00:25
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spirytusickpupnik: rom path is rememberd but other settings just tend to get lost00:26
KotCzarnyi though e-uae fixed it's gui00:26
pupniki would be happy if someone else wants to work on it00:27
spirytusickit's tough thinking at 11pm we know :)00:27
KotCzarnyi will do00:27
KotCzarnywhen i get to it00:27
spirytusickbtw any of you guys are using jaiku ?00:28
KotCzarnyi'm not00:28
KotCzarnywhat's that00:28
spirytusickKotCzarny: a twitter/bloging client. It feels a little like im or irc conversation albeit considerably delayed, but seems ok when one is on the move, it's not overloaded like facebook and all those crappy social sites00:29
GeneralAntillesI used it for a while.00:29
GeneralAntillesThen got tired of it.00:29
NaviSocial sites are tiring00:30
KotCzarnyirc is the way of the future!!1!!!!100:30
spirytusickGeneralAntilles: Well I suppose i will get tired too :)00:30
NaviI don't like having to clean off my wall when someone writes on it00:30
VeggenKotCzarny: I do my IM through IRC, btw. bitlbee rules :)00:31
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spirytusickKotCzarny: I must say I love irc, i rember years ago, when were was no web and the only ways of getting files was either ftp or gopher... we've had this very old dos irc client called trumpet00:31
spirytusickgreat times,00:31
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spirytusicktakeovers, wars... etc.00:31
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KotCzarnydos, pf00:31
spirytusickthen we all switched to ircii with phoenix script if I remember correctly...00:32
spirytusickgood times :) Irc was not so crowded then00:32
Veggenspirytusick: takeover wars stopped being fun after not too long.00:32
spirytusickVeggen: early times were good :) there were no bots then, or at least very very few of them00:32
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spirytusickVeggen: takeovers would look like 20 guys in the lab, all sitting at their pc's, and simultaneously deoping people...  heh... I am too old :)00:33
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spirytusickenough sentiments :)00:34
KotCzarnya little00:34
Veggenspirytusick: Actually, when I started, there were rarely 20 people on IRC simultaneously from my country, and certainly not in the same lab ;)00:34
spirytusickVeggen: we were sitting in the uni labs, which were open 24/7, lot's of smoke and beer all over. early internet days.. you could call it an internet bar :)00:35
spirytusickalthough a polish word 'speluna' would be probably more apropriate :)00:36
b0unc3guys, HILDON == 1 stands for chinook or bora ?00:36
* drjnut wants to ask another stupid question00:37
drjnutanyone tried to port aptitude?00:37
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KotCzarnyi have seen someone mentioning it yesterday00:37
Veggendrjnut: hmm, shouldn't be too hard?00:37
KotCzarnyhad some conflicts00:37
KotCzarnybut you're welcome to try :)00:37
spirytusickok guys, gotta hit the showers.. another day at work beckons... see you tommorow00:38
Veggendrjnut: I backported hildon-application-manager from svn yesterday.00:38
drjnutah, I already got too many projects on my roadmap00:38
pupnikcheers spirytusick00:38
drjnutVeggen, yeah, saw this in your blog00:38
spirytusicknite Arnim, see you here 2morrow00:39
spirytusickKocie, 3m sie, do jutra00:39
KotCzarnyic ic00:39
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DeformativeHow do I figure out what version I have?00:43
KotCzarnyuname -a00:44
KotCzarnyor just go to settings and 'about product'00:44
DeformativeDoes not say 4.x or such00:44
KotCzarnyand what does it say?00:44
DeformativeIs there anything newer for 770?00:48
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VeggenDeformative: nothing official, but I hear people like the "hacker editions".00:48
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KotCzarnybut it can be unstable00:48
VeggenKotCzarny: isn't there a new os2008he too?00:48
KotCzarnyotoh it can have a candy factor00:49
KotCzarnyveggan: i don't know..00:49
KotCzarnydeformative: in any way, it's 99% safe [tm]00:50
KotCzarnyso you can flash back and forth00:50
DeformativeUgh, my 770 seems especially slow lately.00:50
DeformativeDon't know why.00:50
buzzinflyanyone know how to keep power to the wlan in a N810 using 2.2007.51-3?00:50
KotCzarnyturn off power saving00:51
KotCzarnyor at least lighten it00:51
DeformativeKotCzarny: How?00:51
VeggenKotCzarny: mmm, it's in the advanced settings of the network connection.00:51
KotCzarnyveggan: probably :)00:51
buzzinflyhow do you turn off power saving?00:51
KotCzarnydeformative: run xterm00:52
KotCzarnythen type: top00:52
KotCzarnyin it00:52
buzzinflyi've set the wlan_timeout gconf key to 000:52
DeformativeI mean the power saving00:52
buzzinflyas described in
KotCzarnyveggen's suggestion is right00:52
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Veggenbuzzinfly: you have settings on the connections.00:53
Veggenbuzzinfly: just open a wifi connection, then next until it's on the "completed" screen, there you have a choice for "Advanced".00:54
buzzinflymy idle time is unlimited00:54
Veggenit's not idle time.00:54
KotCzarnypower saving option00:55
KotCzarnyit's there somewhere00:55
Veggenyou need to edit the specific connections, i.e. the connection for your home wlan.00:55
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KotCzarnyit's w advanced/orher00:56
buzzinflythis wlan is not joining a network and is in rfmon mode with airodump-ng00:56
KotCzarnythere's 'power saving drop down'00:56
Veggenbuzzinfly: oh, then you'll need to do it with iwconfig.00:56
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DeformativeAll my wireless stuff is already unlimited00:56
KotCzarnyon (max) / on (intermediate) / off00:56
Veggenbuzzinfly: I think.00:57
KotCzarnyif it's on(max) then it turns off wifi when idle00:57
KotCzarnyi think00:57
KotCzarnysetting to on(intermediate) helped with my ssh lag00:58
buzzinflyanyone know anything about init script priority?00:58
KotCzarnyit's in /etc/rc2.d/00:59
DeformativeI think I know what it is.00:59
DeformativeI think I have a very slow mmc card.00:59
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johnxbuzzinfly, lower Snn numbers are executed first01:00
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buzzinflyso in the scenario of using an n810 as a passive monitor, should i delete the startup scripts for wlancond? or should it be run before or after my airodump-ng script?01:01
johnxif you kill off wlancond while the N810 is running does it cause a reboot?01:02
KotCzarnybuzzinfly: just stop it01:02
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KotCzarnyvia /etc/rc2.d/script_name stop01:02
KotCzarnylater you can restart it01:02
DeformativeIs there a browser that locks up less than opera mobile?01:03
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KotCzarnydeformative: upgrade01:03
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KotCzarnyin 2008 there's no opera01:03
spirytusickre :)01:03
KotCzarnyi guess webkit and mikrob are replacements01:03
DeformativeCan't I get a browser in just a package?01:03
KlotzWondering if someone can help me, I just got my n800 and want to put xchat on it, but i have no idea about repositories and what not01:03
KotCzarnyif it's available for a 2006..01:03
johnxKlotz, have you upgraded to OS2008 yet?01:04
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Klotzjohnx - Yes I have01:04
johnxok, there's a beta for OS2008 (aka chinook). google for xchat chinook beta01:04
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johnxfirst result01:04
buzzinflyam i right in thinking the default gpsd on a n810 is completely shagged?01:04
johnxdownload and click on the file :)01:04
KotCzarnyit's probably software fixable01:05
Klotzthank you johnx01:05
johnxKotCzarny, gpsd != gps :P01:05
KotCzarnyif someone happens to think of a way01:05
jkubuzzinfly, it's quite heavily patched but works pretty much as well/badly as on other systems IMHO01:05
johnxbuzzinfly, it apparently does some weird things01:05
KotCzarnyjohnx: :)01:05
spirytusickKlotz: there are some bulds of xchat there, not very recent and I have not tested them yet01:05
johnxme neither, but I've heard they work01:06
lcuki use that on my 81001:06
GeneralAntillesThey're fine.01:06
spirytusicki use irssi on the tablet but its a question of preference01:06
lcukzeus server has been around a  while and GeneralAntilles has been spamming it for ages ;) if i didnt know better i would say he is on a commission01:06
GeneralAntillesIf only.01:07
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buzzinflyanyone heard of a djb's daemontools port for n810? or any arm for that matter01:08
GeneralAntillesMyPaint has the annoying habit of connecting the dots when you start drawing in a new place. :\01:08
lcukhow do i stop my 810 from entering power saving on the cpu?   - if i perform a really fast mem copy for every glyph it goes slow, but if i include an extra dummy operation it renders much quicker01:08
KotCzarnylcuk: change cpufreq governor01:09
KotCzarnycd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/01:09
KotCzarnyand look aroung01:09
lcukthx :)01:09
johnxbuzzinfly, I wonder what is holding up an ARM port of those O_o01:09
lcukive been pulling hair out wondering why code which IS fast has been going slow01:10
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KotCzarnyyou can set a min freq to a 400, but that will be bad for the battery01:10
GeneralAntillesThat's not a solution for release, though.01:10
lcuki just wanna know whether the algo is faster at the moment01:10
johnxI think there's a way in code to request a certain frequency...01:10
johnxor maybe only for the DSP01:10
KotCzarnyjohnx: cpufreq :)01:10
johnxKotCzarny, without being root01:11
KotCzarnyscaling_max_freq / scaling_min_freq01:11
johnxKotCzarny, yeah :P I've only know about that for 3 years...01:11
lcukthe goal is to get the fastest rendering algorythm, HOWEVER when it has no input and the display is static it will just fall into an xNextEvent waiting pattern and leave the static screen alone - cpu will drop back01:11
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lcukso i want  to get the stuff on the screen as fast as possible but also want to then go as slow as possible01:11
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lcuki might just leave my dummy math function in it - it doesnt involve messing and keeps the cpu busy enough to not drop down01:12
* lcuk will give it a silly hack comment :)01:13
KotCzarnylcuk: dd </dev/urandom >/dev/null01:13
johnxKotCzarny, now you get to wonder whether I mess up my grammar on porpoise just to get a reaction from you :D01:13
GeneralAntillesDude, Kot, nobody needs you to correct for them. :\01:13
KotCzarnyporpoise is a kind of turtle01:13
KotCzarnyga: but it's not for them, it's for me01:13
KotCzarnyi have photo-mem01:13
johnxGeneralAntilles, he's just learned this stuff and he's showing off :D01:14
KotCzarnyif i see bad grammar i will start making mistakes sooner or later01:14
spirytusickKotCzarny: Have you got a usb port ?:)01:14
KotCzarnythat's why i need to keep on my toes01:14
lcukwhats the write cycle count on your memory KotCzarny01:14
GeneralAntillesPhotographic memory doesn't exist.01:14
KotCzarnyspirytus: o.o ?01:14
johnxKotCzarny, photographic memory is the term you were looking for...01:14
spirytusickKotCzarny: So you can download the stuff :) the photos... from memory you know :)01:14
KotCzarnyjohnx: if you haven't noticed i shortened both words01:15
KotCzarnyi have01:15
KotCzarnyon 'porpoise'01:15
johnxright, and I just 'shorten' my plural01:15
spirytusickhehe usb-porpoise ...01:15
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lcukyou lot are a bunch of pedantec gits :P   (but you know a lot)01:15
KotCzarnylcuk: depends on the tea level in my bloodstream01:15
KotCzarnylcuk: that often comes in a one feature pack ;)01:16
spirytusickKotCzarny: or rather your blood level in yout tea stream :)01:16
lcukoh geez, its contaiogus, cant anywon leave mistakes alone01:17
spirytusickI c*nt take it :)01:17
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KotCzarnywan't me to turn on my tEeN scReeEpt0r?01:17
GeneralAntillesApparently not, lcuk.01:17
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spirytusickwhat if it was code ?01:18
KotCzarnyanyway, breakfast time01:19
KotCzarny(now or never, again)01:19
lcukwith code, at least a typo will be misspelt consistently01:19
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KotCzarnyor not01:19
KotCzarnythat's why bugs are introduced01:19
lcukonly if you have (a) very closely named variables introduced in a similar location by 2 devs01:20
spirytusickKotCzarny: that and the fact that programmers want to keep their jobs :)01:20
lcuk(b) you have an automatic allocating language01:20
KotCzarnylcuk: murphy's law01:20
spirytusickKotCzarny: microsoft would be already out of the business :) if they did not have all those bugs to fix :) all the jobs going...01:20
spirytusickI am sure some bugs (or annoyances) are introduced on purpose.. as part of marketing strategy :)01:21
spirytusickyou can always release a new version in the future and charge for it... business is business01:22
KotCzarny'delay loops'01:22
spirytusickthats one example :)01:22
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KotCzarnyanother (potential) n800 user01:24
* lamia is getting n81001:24
KotCzarnyn810 is inferior to n80001:25
lamiaKeyboard is more efficient01:25
KotCzarnyyou can get bluetooth one01:25
johnxor usb01:25
KotCzarnybluetooth is more convenient01:25
johnxusb is cheap :D01:25
KotCzarnyusb dangling01:25
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johnxKotCzarny, works at the console for debugging other distros...but really, I can see why you would want an N81001:26
johnxsecond part addressed to lamia01:26
* spirytusick says goodnight... see you tommorow, this time for good :)01:27
KotCzarnygo go01:27
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johnx'night spirytusick01:27
spirytusickniech mocz bedzie z wami :)01:27
spirytusickgood night..01:27
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lamiajohnx: Which nokia series do you use?01:30
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johnxlamia, n80001:33
lamiajohnx: How big is the bluetooth keyboard?01:34
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johnxI have a usb keyboard, actually01:34
lamiajohnx: How big is it?01:34
johnxand there are lots of bluetooth keyboards available01:34
lcuki have an apple bluetooth one - and its tiny, but the keys feel massive01:34
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johnxlamia, let me find a link that shows it...01:34
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lcukits the same size totally as the main qwerty area on my regular keyboard01:35
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lcukand VERY thin01:35
KotCzarnyi could use a wireless keyboard with a trackpoint01:35
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KotCzarnyibm had them01:35
KotCzarnybut wired01:35
lamiaHmmm, So i have to carry a keyboard plus a nokia? Ugh01:35
KotCzarnylamia, nope01:36
KotCzarnyyou can carry only nokia01:36
KotCzarnyif you're on the go01:36
lcuki have this for my 810 in house - out of the house i use the stowaway01:36
KotCzarnythere's onscreen keyboard too01:36
KotCzarnyand handwriting recognition01:36
johnxlamia, if you think you'll use a keyboard while "on the go" just get an N81001:36
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lcuki didnt even consider an onscreen - before the 810, it was just a glorified pda - now it feels like a regular computer - only smaller01:37
KotCzarnyit is01:37
KotCzarnyit runs on debian01:37
johnxHWR is not so great, and the onscreen keyboard is pretty good, but not good enough for chatting/IM01:37
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johnxit runs on something that resembles Debian in many ways...01:37
KotCzarnyif i'm on the go even phone (0-9) keypad was ok01:37
KotCzarnyfor heavy use i use laptop anyway01:37
* johnx has a crappy old P4 laptop that weights 10lbs O_o I do not want to carry that unless I need it...01:38
* KotCzarny has nice, shiny ibm x32 (@ 3lbs)01:38
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KotCzarny1.8 pentium-m01:39
KotCzarnyit's a size of a bigger book01:39
KotCzarnyand weight too01:39
johnxI'll get one of the smaller thinkpads eventually. but for now I'm good enough with my N80001:39
lcukwar and piece?01:39
KotCzarnythan that01:39
KotCzarnymore like discworld novel :)01:40
johnxoxford unabridged dictionary?01:40
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* johnx threw out the box his keyboard came in and now he can't remember what brand/model it was...01:40
GeneralAntillesOED, you mean, johnx? :P01:41
johnxthat would be it :D01:41
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KotCzarnycheck with hcitool ?01:41
GeneralAntillesRandom House makes an "Unabridged". :P01:41
KotCzarnyor lsusb01:41
lcukor just look at the sticker on the base01:41
johnxKotCzarny, good idea :D01:41
johnxlcuk, no stickers01:41
KotCzarnythat can work too01:41
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johnxjust an "FCC pass" and don't use in water01:41
lcukwell its not FCC compliant - UNPLUG IT NOW!!!!!01:42
KotCzarnyyou can search by fcc too01:42
EvilGuruCan anyone recommend any (FOSS) SIP/IAX VoIP clients that run on maemo01:42
lcukdamn - so it has something01:42
GeneralAntillesrtcomm, EvilGuru? <_<01:42
johnxalright...I have a name at least01:42
KotCzarnylcuk: is your body fcc compliant?01:42
lcukno, the tattoo rubbed off in the bath01:42
KotCzarnyjohnx: google usb id01:43
drjnut-mobilexchat rulez on n810!01:43
lcukdrjnut, it does01:43
KotCzarnylcuk: you may be not allowed to interact with electrical appliances anymore01:43
lcukawww, but my mum was making me a spandex magneto costume :(01:43
ds3is the LCD on the 810 is electrically and physically (dimension wise) the same as the 800's? having an 800 readable in a sunlight when used in a car seems like a good thing01:44
KotCzarnyi guess01:44
lcukhow long would it take to boot linux on a computer built with an abacus?01:44
KotCzarnybut maybe not exactly the same01:45
johnxds3, are the screens *exactly* the same size?01:45
johnxI wasn't sure...01:45
ds3johnx: I donno, I don't have physical access to an 81001:45
EvilGuruGeneralAntilles: I presume?01:45
johnxI seem to remember them being different01:45
GeneralAntillesIt's included by default with OS2008.01:45
ds3I used maemo mapper on a trip this weekend and the LCD + sun is really annoying01:45
KotCzarny800 × 480 resolution, 4.1 in diagonal, 225 pixels/in, 65536 colors (16-bit)01:45
lcukds3, 800 or 810?01:45
KotCzarnythat's n80001:46
ds3lcuk: 80001:46
drjnut-mobilelcuk, on an abacus made of neutrons?01:46
ds3I _NEED_ the dual full size slots01:46
KotCzarnywikipedia lists the same data for n81001:46
lcuki havent taken my 810 out recently after my missus had bad starts with the gps not locking01:46
GeneralAntillesThe N810 screen is maybe 1 or 2mm smaller.01:46
lcukim actually very frustrated about that01:46
Tester_GeneralAntilles: its the exact same lcd01:46
GeneralAntillesIt isn't.01:46
ds3Tester_: it can't be the exact same LCD... the 810 is suppose to be transreflective01:47
EvilGuruI read it was slightly smaller (810)01:47
GeneralAntillesDifferent connectors, too.01:47
lcddn810's screen is readable in sunlight01:47
Tester_is it supposed to be ?01:47
KotCzarnymaybe it just has shiny surface behind01:47
lcukyes - its a selling point apparantly01:47
GeneralAntillesThe same? No.01:47
ds3oh bah01:48
GeneralAntillesN810's screen is marginally smaller and transflective.01:48
ds3so much for a simple transplant of LCDs01:48
GeneralAntillesds3, the connectors are different, anyway.01:48
ds3i am not fabricating flexcable adapters :(01:48
* KotCzarny has to see n810 yet01:48
* EvilGuru just got his01:48
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lcuki dont like the curvyness of 800, i couldnt have made a cradle with it as easily01:49
ds3making a cradle for the 800 is the easy part01:49
KotCzarnylcuk: clamp it?01:49
ds3i hacked one up in about an hour01:49
lcukno, i do need it to come out occasionally01:49
KotCzarnyflexiclamp then01:50
ds3held it well enough to withstand minor off roading and it slips out and comes with me whenever I go somewhere01:50
lcukdifferent purpose - housebound, not car01:53
ds3lcuk: what would the cradle be fore?01:53
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johnxok, finding a brand for this will actually be pretty difficult...wish I kept the box O_o01:53
lcuki didnt want something to hold it, i wanted something to hold the 810 with01:53
lcukit was uncomfotable to grip and use so i now have something big enough01:54
ds3so something to give it a larger area like a clipboard with the N800 on it?01:54
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KotCzarnythat way you can even stick it to your arm01:54
KotCzarnykeyboard looks inaccessible this way01:55
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lcukmy arm rests at same place as the screen - drawing on it now is like drawing on paper01:55
ds3that's easy to do for the N800... a hour or two on a CNC mill with a slab of aluminum :)01:55
lcukand say bye bye to lying naked in bed with a cold lump of metal01:55
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KotCzarny'cold' ?01:56
ds3then cast one out of the castable epoxy stuff01:56
lcukwood did the job..01:56
ds3regardless, that is a simple operation on a CNC mill :)01:56
lcuknot if (a) you've never done woodwork, (b) not got access to a cnc01:57
lcukim surprised i had any fingers left after the mkI - i attempted it with the chisel01:57
lcukit gave me enough to confirm it worked01:57
ds3a plunge router should make quick work of it01:57
lcukso i got a router on it01:57
lcukive never done anything like this before but knew it couldnt be that hard01:58
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ds3very nice, btw01:58
ds3I would add slots to support a USB thumb drive on the side01:58
lcukcant use the usb without removing the stand01:59
lcukive added a slot tho for power lead01:59
lcukthats why i ended up getting a wireless kb01:59
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ds3that was one nice thing about the 77001:59
KotCzarnyhaving n810 and wireless kb01:59
lcukits great for in the house i can code and xchat and stuff02:00
lcukbut then when its out im not worried that i have to take anything02:00
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KotCzarnyme neither02:00
lcukplus, the keyboard open on the side is perfect for book reader extras02:00
lcuki have space and return and the dpad setup for thumb reading and lie in bed reading for hours without barely having to lift a finger :)02:01
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GeneralAntillesYeah, I do that with my N800, too. :P02:01
GeneralAntillesRight out of the box.02:01
lcukbut i couldnt hold my 810 at night02:02
GeneralAntillesThat's what the stand is for.02:02
lcukits not good for extensive gripping, theres nowhere comfy to rest02:02
KotCzarnywhy dpad..02:02
KotCzarnyit has touchscreen for something02:02
lcuklying on back with it held above chest02:02
ds3lcuk: is that 1/2" or 3/4" board?02:02
* GeneralAntilles lies on his side.02:03
lcukmy old pda would slot between my knuckles and rest there - this kept falling out cos it was slippy02:03
ds3or just get a C3200 Z ;)02:03
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lcukdunno, lemme find my ruler02:03
KotCzarnyreading in bed is bad for your eyes, anyway02:03
GeneralAntillesBad for your sleeping habits, maybe.02:04
lcukblack paper, dark grey text02:04
GeneralAntillesUsing your eyes wont damage them.02:04
KotCzarnyit will02:04
KotCzarnytrust me02:04
KotCzarnybut that's the price of life02:04
johnxwhich is why you should always leave them closed...02:04
lcuk1.8m18mm   (0.7ins)02:05
lcuk-1.8m ;)02:05
GeneralAntillesKot, what you do optometry on the side?02:06
lcuki used to read audiobooks02:06
lamiaAn object like a book or something small should be 10 inches away from your eyes so you don't damage them.02:06
lcukbut they were too small02:06
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lcuki have reader at arms length02:06
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GeneralAntillesAgain, you can't damage your eyes using them.02:07
KotCzarnyga: not true02:07
KotCzarnyand you have glasses too02:07
GeneralAntillesI've always had bad vision.02:07
KotCzarnyyeah, always02:08
KotCzarnyit's an excuse for 'starting early'02:08
lcukhe had to squint to read his first nokia02:08
GeneralAntillesReading may cause eye strain, but eye strain is temporary, it doesn't damage your vision. <_<02:08
KotCzarnyextended eye strain damages eyes02:08
KotCzarnyit's like hunching02:09
lamiaI have been watching cartoons in front of the TV since i was like 5, i have perfect 20/20 carrots and fish!02:09
KotCzarnytoo much, and you have bad posture for life02:09
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KotCzarnycartoons != books02:09
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KotCzarnyyesh.. nytimes is a good source of wisdom02:11
ds3so about 3/4 stock02:11
KotCzarnybtw. parasites can damage your sight too02:12
KotCzarnydid you know that?02:12
KotCzarnyand not only sight..02:12
lcukreading with dry eyesyer ds302:12
lcukfeck must learn to clear before retyping02:12
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ds3hmmm what changed all of a sudden in media player02:12
KotCzarnyga: myths come and go02:13
ds3last week media player with a shoutcast stream was updating the metadata; this week it is not02:13
KotCzarnythere's always cause and effect02:13
KotCzarnyds3: on every stream or just your favourite?02:14
ds3KotCzarny: just my favorite02:14
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KotCzarnythen it may be it02:14
ds3it updates if I goto another screen and come back02:14
GeneralAntillesKotCzarny, don't spread BS around. It's irritating.02:14
ds3just not as the songs change02:14
KotCzarnyga: sure, and pretending to be right on everything is stuck-up attitude02:15
johnxok guys, you both win. take it to #opthamologist-debates02:15
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KotCzarnyin 19th century science pretended to be satisfied and complete02:16
KotCzarnyand what happened?02:16
johnxthey smoked opium?02:16
KotCzarnyand drank absinth02:16
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johnxand their computers sucked :/02:17
ds3so.... something more on topic... anyone has the free parts of the maemo running on a x86 MID platform (i.e. wibrain or the samsungs)?02:17
* KotCzarny is new to meamo, still02:17
johnxds3, nope, but I'm working on it for the zaurus02:17
ds3johnx: for collie? <VBG>02:17
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johnx320x240 is just not enough...640x480 is more doable I think02:18
ds3i need something useful to do with the collie02:18
johnxme too :/02:18
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johnxI'm thinking web server02:18
ds3if someone could get the base going, then I could put maemo mapper on it02:18
johnxmaemo mapper on a collie?02:19
johnxthat would be kind neat02:19
johnxthere's already a maemo-mapper nohildon in angstrom02:19
johnxjust need x server and libgtk2 for that02:19
johnx(and some other minor libs)02:19
ds3it is mostly comparable to the 770 but with a bit more IO and absolutely no SDIO02:19
ds3does PM on angstrom work properly on collie?02:19
* johnx sighs02:20
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johnxactually angstrom won't boot on collie right now...02:20
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ds3the PM problems is what kept me off OpenZ02:20
johnxthe latest openzaurus works fine02:20
ds3with PM? :)02:20
johnxyou could backport maemo mapper to openzaurus without many problems I think02:20
johnxds3, yes IIRC02:20
johnxit's been a long time02:20
johnxand my collie is kinda messed up02:21
ds3the last time i tried it, resume is was broken :(02:21
johnxwell it works under 2.6 I think...but a lot of other things don't :)02:21
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ds3seems SA support is fading02:22
johnxds3, yeah02:22
bucky1anyone have an n810 thats insides jiggle a little when you shake it?02:22
johnxit doesn't help that it falls below the EABI cutoff02:22
ds3EABI don't work on ARMv4?02:22
johnxnot can work on armv4t I *think*02:22
ds3SA is basically a ARMv4, IIRC02:23
ds3oh T hmmm02:23
johnxthat sounds right...but it has no "t" and apparently the t is important02:23
johnxI'm just going by what it says on the debian eabi wiki02:23
ds3not sure why thumb is needed for EABI though... *shrug*02:23
* johnx is not a libc/gcc hacker02:23
ds3ah it is a GCC problem, not really a EABI issue02:24
johnxstretching my understanding here...but I think there is a way to work around missing features in gcc/libc to get EABI on strongarm but no one has done it, and it would likely cause a slowdown for later arm architectures02:25
ds3this should be hack-around-able in the kernel by trapping the bad instructions (i.e. the bx to thumb)02:26
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johnxwouldn't that be ungodly slow? (like "hardfloat")02:26
ds3don't think so02:26
ds3ah nevermind02:26
ds3nix that, the EABI does call out thumb support :(02:26
johnx has the info that I'm referencing02:27
ds3<-- reading the debian wiki backwards from bottom up02:27
johnxah, ok02:27
ds3yep, same page here but I was reading it backwards02:27
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ds3thought the issue was gcc emitting the bx instruction; that itself can be fixed but if EABI calls out thumb, that's a bigger problem02:27
ds3i suppose the kernel can be mod'ed to segill on any real thumb instructions other then bx (set T bit in CPSR)02:28
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ds3that way it can sort of run EABI stuff02:28
ds3basically option 602:29
ds3but not as extensive02:29
johnxbut while everyone is talking about this armv5te is becoming the new "best bang for your buck" arm version...02:29
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ds3in terms of silicon prices or performance?02:30
johnxeven in terms of availability...02:30
johnxhow much consumer accessible strongarm stuff is still sold?02:31
ds3sold? heheh02:31
ds3seeing how it is 3 companies old02:31
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texelWhere does Xomap read it's configuration file from?03:20
texelOr does it just assume defaults?03:20
johnxit takes some command line arguments03:20
johnxlook in /etc/init.d/x-server03:21
texelRight, I saw that in the /etc/init.d/x-server script, but those don't specify things like xkb keyboard types.03:21
texelSpecifically, I'm looking for an xorg.conf-like file somewhere.03:21
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johnxI don't think there is one :/03:21
* texel is hacking on the XKB config settings03:21
johnxit pulls some keyboard info out of hal I think03:21
texelThat makes sense.03:21
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* johnx had a fight with it to make it behave in Debian/N80003:22
texelDebian/N800? O.o03:22
johnxI'm just trying to make Debian work a little better on the N80003:23
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texelAhh. Coolio.03:23
texelI, too, have a Debian chroot on my external SD.03:23
texelComes in handy.03:23
johnxI can boot Debian off of SD :)03:23
texelThough I imagine you're using a fully booting environment. =o)03:23
johnxeverything but sound and some power saving stuff03:24
* texel just saw your ITT post about it.03:24
KotCzarnypower sacing is a must03:24
ds3johnx: including wifi?03:24
johnxds3 of course :)03:25
johnxw/ wpa even :D03:25
ds3johnx: you are using the Nokia kernel modules?03:25
ds3or you got the freemac stuff working with it?03:25
johnxthere's a patched wifi module to enable some basic wext 18 support03:25
texelActually, that brings up an interesting question, I'd like to ask.03:25
texeljohnx: have you had issues installing emacs22 in Debian armel?03:26
ds3that still limits you; i.e you can't just put in 2.6.24 w/o nokia's help03:26
johnxI haven't tried03:26
* texel nods03:26
johnxds3, it is limiting, but I'm working on things I can actually accomplish...I'm not up to kernel hacking yet03:26
johnxtexel, want me to try it?03:27
texeljohnx: feel free. =o)03:27
texelMy install is complaining that the package depends on an older distro version of libungif, IIRC.03:27
texelWhich, weirdly, isn't in the repo.03:27
ds3what would be really nice is 2.6.21 or 2.6.24 on the 770 w/WiFi + BT working03:28
texelIe: wants libungif1.x-3, but only has libungif1.x-403:28
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johnxtexel, do you have enough space to compile the older version from source?03:29
texelMm. I was looking into that, actually, but gave up and decided to compile especially for Maemo.03:30
texelI figured a nice, Hildonized version of Emacs would be much better.03:30
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* rm_you smacks texel with the Vible03:31
livindedthe Vible?03:31
texelTBH, I use vim quite often as well.03:31
texelI just prefer emacs for code.03:31
johnxyou're all unbelievers. There is only one true echo(1)...03:32
* texel is a systems administrator03:32
ds3nvi or cat... no vim :P03:32
* johnx never got the hang of all that DOS weirdness03:33
texeljohnx: Anyway, I was just curious if you were hitting the same issue at all.03:33
johnxI'll test it03:33
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* texel was hoping it was just something having to do with the way I installed the chroot03:33
johnxthe package is just 'emacs22'03:33
texelThanks, johnx.03:33
johnxwants libungif03:34
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texelMm. Okay, so then it's Debian armel's repo being insane, then.03:34
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johnxemacs22: Depends: libungif (>= 4.1.4)03:34
* texel nods03:34
johnxI've seen similar things03:34
texelWhich actually is in the repo, but it's looking for an older distro-version.03:34
johnxnetwork manager had issues as well03:34
texelIf you chase the depends tree, you'll see the weirdness.03:34
* texel shrugs03:34
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johnxI wish network manager actually worked :/ I think the wext patches to cx3110x aren't quite enough to satisfy network manager03:35
texelGuess I get to go insane hacking on emacs gtk interface. =op03:35
ds3i wish the network management were more sane03:36
ds3#@!$@!#!@!@#$ network management ignores bluetooth settings :(03:36
* texel wishes networkmanager didn't use gnome-keychain for storage of network keys03:36
johnxI think Nokia suffers from some NIH syndrome :/03:36
texelOr at least that gnome-keychain was rewritten to store keychain data securely.03:36
texeljohnx: how so? O.o03:37
ds3NIH syndrome?03:37
johnxnot invented here03:37
texelds3: Not Invented Here syndrome.03:37
* texel heads out for a snack03:37
ds3was thinking National Institue of Health :/03:37
texelThanks for the help guys. =o)03:37
johnxdsme/bme? wlancond?03:37
ds3i just wish the network management could be a lot more configurable and consistant. don't care where it comes from03:39
AlphaLuxmore configurable in what way?03:39
ds3do you want my entire wish list or just the answer to that q?03:40
AlphaLuxlet us go for the succinct answer :)03:40
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ds3to start with - priority in the network profile so if there are multiple WiFi networks; I can say try this one first hten the next one; ability to disable a profile03:41
ds3that's 2 to start with; I got more03:41
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AlphaLuxah, yeah some type of priority setting would be nice03:42
ds3an example is i was out of coverage for my carrier for the entire time; I do not want it to automatically connecto to the phone and attempt to dial out03:43
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: :P03:43
GeneralAntillesStupid Comcast.03:43
ds3right now the only way I can do that is to tell it I don't have a phone; disabling bluetooth is ignored for network purposes but enabled for things like a GPS :(03:43
AlphaLuxgeneral, how's your bittorent working? :)03:43
ds3and yes, this need did arise this past weekend03:43
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errordeveloperhi ..03:46
GeneralAntillesrm_you, have you decided to work on my cool project yet? :P03:47
errordeveloperi cannot activate the 'red pill' mode on my n800 .. :(03:47
GeneralAntillesWhy do you need it, errordeveloper?03:47
KotCzarnyed: how do you do it?03:48
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ds3mayheim and confusion is always good ;)03:48
DeformativeIs there a webkit for the nokia 770?03:48
alpDeformative: yeah, you need a patch to build against GTK+ 2.6 though03:49
DeformativeIs there a deb for it anywhere?03:49
alpdon't think so03:49
DeformativeIs there a faster pdf reader?03:51
johnxare you on OS2006 or OS2007HE?03:52
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johnxlook for evince...I know it's available for OS2007 but I have no idea about OS200603:52
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DeformativeEverything on 2006 is rather slow.03:52
GeneralAntillesThe 770 is slow.03:53
DeformativeThe processor is hardly slow.03:53
DeformativeThe only real limitation is the ram.03:53
johnxwell the processor isn't exactly fast...03:53
NaviIt's pretty slow03:53
NaviAdd some swap to help with the ram limitation03:53
DeformativeThe processor is prolly comparable with the computer I am on at the moment.03:54
Deformative600 ghz powerpc.03:54
johnxprobably not03:54
ds3OMAP1710 @ 200MHz ish is a tad bit slower03:54
NaviI don't see how a 200mhz ARM can compare to a 600ghz PPC03:54
johnxmore comparable to a Pentium 233 with it's FPU disabled03:54
KotCzarnynow that's03:54
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DeformativeOh, really, I thought it was 400mhz03:55
ds3johnx: the FPU can be enabled. it does have a DSP afterall03:55
rm_youGeneralAntilles: I still don't see the point >_>03:55
KotCzarnyn800 has 400mhz cpu03:55
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DeformativeAh, my mistake.03:55
johnxds3 I thought it was missing the VFP?03:55
DeformativeThen yes, it is slow.03:55
ds3johnx: yes it is missing VFP but has the second DSP core03:55
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johnxah...but maemo doesn't use it?03:56
ds3no no03:56
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ds3there is no DSP on the Pentium03:56
ds3so each has its own advantages03:56
johnx"and this chip enables faster than light travel...but it isn't enabled..."03:56
rm_youGeneralAntilles: do some research for me about icon theming :P03:56
DeformativeHmm, I wonder if I should get the next generation of nokia tablet or a ps3. :D03:57
ds3get both :)03:57
DeformativeNah, too expensive.03:57
Tama^2rm_you, good I see you are using GA too ;)03:58
KotCzarnyps2 isn't portable03:58
KotCzarnyerm. ps303:58
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NaviThe PS3's only 11 pounds or so04:02
Naviit's very portable04:02
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plbwhere can i get irssi or xchat for n800 os2008?05:12
doc| although I tried to start irssi yesterday after installing it and it wouldn't work :/05:14
doc|homexchat seems to not have released files yet05:14
plbrecommand any other apps for n800? just got it today ;]05:15
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plbI got mplayer, pidgin, and that client so far05:15
plbwhats that?05:15
doc|homenope, not that I know of, sorry, I just ssh'd to another box and used irssi from there05:15
KotCzarnyever seen ?05:15
KotCzarnysomething like this05:16
KotCzarnybut with caching05:16
KotCzarnyand support for other map dbs05:16
KotCzarnyand has gps support05:16
KotCzarny(not that i use gps)05:16
plbme either05:16
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KotCzarnyfbreader, maemo recorder, quiver image viewer, mplayer, ecaile music player05:17
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KotCzarnybomberman, doom05:18
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KotCzarnyvncviewer, rdesktop05:18
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KotCzarnynavi: i never remember that05:18
KotCzarnyand i confuse it with useless05:19
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plbgotta have mplayer ;]05:19
DrgesKotCzarny, whatever, I obsess about spelling and grammar as much as you do.05:20
KotCzarnynavi: good, i approve05:20
KotCzarnythough english is a mess05:20
Drgess/obsess/don't obsess/05:20
infobotDrges meant: KotCzarny, whatever, I don't obsess about spelling and grammar as much as you do.05:20
KotCzarnyrule there, rule here05:20
MipsIrvi'm assuming the kernel source hasn't been released for the nokia platforms eh?05:20
KotCzarnythat's a little difference05:21
DrgesFully intentional to get you rambling.05:21
KotCzarnymipsirv: it has been05:21
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KotCzarnybut not complete05:21
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KotCzarnystill has binary blobs05:21
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KotCzarnynavi: you will05:21
plbno frozen-bubble =\05:22
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KotCzarnyplb: there are substitues i think05:23
KotCzarnyif not i will be compiling it one day05:23
plbhehe fb is awesome05:23
NaviKotCzarny, I used to, however, now I just see it as assholeish.05:23
NaviKotCzarny, asshole.05:23
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KotCzarnynavi: i see it as the only way to not start speaking ircish05:24
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KotCzarnynavi: calling other people names is assholeish05:24
sbkso ive had my nokia N810 since last friday05:24
sbklet me tell you guys05:24
sbkim REALLY enjoying it05:24
plbhm how come the app manager won't update maps...says its from a different source05:24
* Proteous waits for it05:24
Navi"ircish" ain't not no language.05:24
KotCzarnyno shit?05:25
sbkhaha Navi05:25
hoopyso how many of you guys are linux buffs05:25
* Navi casts a level five buff on Linux05:25
hoopyi'm wanting a "linux appliance"05:25
* KotCzarny yawns05:25
hoopyperfereable solid state... i was wondering what arm linux is like05:25
plbhoopy: I've been using linux since 199905:25
sbkI been on linux since 200005:25
hoopyi've been using it since about 200205:26
sbk< net engineer for a private network05:26
KotCzarnyhoopy: get a laptop and cf-ide adapter05:26
sbkif you wana make some paper, get a linux job :P05:26
hoopywhat does that get ya05:26
sbk80k to start?05:26
hoopythere probably aren't any linux jobs in my podunk ass town05:26
* hoopy is a .NET developer05:26
NaviThe only Linux jobs around here are University jobs05:27
sbkits worth looking into it05:28
hoopywhat city do you live in sdk?05:28
plbhm does n800 keep it self up to date automatically?05:28
sbkLos Angeles05:28
sbkI started in NYC tho05:28
hoopy80k in L.A.05:28
sbkmy job moved me out here05:28
sbklast yr05:28
hoopyi make 50k in BFE05:28
hoopycost of living is lowest in the nation here05:28
plbsbk: I'm on Staten Island05:28
sbkbum fuck egypt?05:28
sbkoh word plb05:28
sbkwhere abouts05:28
hoopysouthwest missouri05:28
Deformativeplb: I have a nokia 77005:29
sbkI got family out there05:29
DeformativeIt is not as fun as you might expect.05:29
plbsbk: right next to the Verrazano in rosebank05:29
sbkahhh, my fam is in annadale05:29
sbkright off arden ave05:29
hoopyi'm in springfield05:29
plbsbk: ah cool ;]05:29
DeformativeI mean, I use it, and it was worth the $140 I paid for it.05:29
* KotCzarny got n800 for a 150$05:29
DeformativeBut a touch screen handheld cannot do a whole lot.05:29
sbkthe only thing I miss about si is the bitches05:30
hoopyi'm kind of thinking about getting a chumby05:30
plbI paid $240 for my n80005:30
sbkI got my N810 for 47505:30
sbklast week05:30
sbkand jewegg sent me the wrong fucking SD card05:30
plbsbk: should have got it from amazon05:30
DeformativeKotCzarny: United states?05:30
sbkits all good plb05:30
KotCzarnynyc area05:30
sbkI needed it05:30
DeformativeI got mine like a year ago.05:30
DeformativeAh well, time for me to go to sleep.05:30
sbkI use it @ work, as a pen & paper replacement05:30
plbanother nycer KotCzarny ?05:31
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sbkwe running #maemo!05:31
plbwhere are you?05:31
sbkhes in newark area05:31
DeformativePen and Paper is far superior.05:31
sbkhaha Deformative05:31
KotCzarnycloser to mnh though05:31
KotCzarnyabout 10min05:31
hoopydo you guys compile things on your phones?05:31
hoopyor do you load binaries onto it05:32
plbI'm about 5min from the ferry to manhattan05:32
sbkI lived over thee too KotCzarny05:32
KotCzarnyhoopy: both05:32
sbkjersey city05:32
DeformativeI only use mine as a book, pdf reader and sometimes I use the todo list.05:32
plbah jersey city05:32
sbkI copped an apt over there, cause it was cheaper than midtown05:32
plbbeen there05:32
sbkwhere I was stayin05:32
sbkits pretty gross05:32
sbkjust a place to live05:32
sbkthats all05:32
plbto the ghetto part of jersey city heh05:32
sbkyeah, I was right off grove st05:32
sbkby the PATH train05:32
KotCzarnyi'm about 2 blocks form j.square05:32
plbjersey city is filthy lol05:33
sbkLA isn't much better05:33
MipsIrvwhatever happened to efficient code..05:33
KotCzarnyi live in the internet anyway05:33
sbkheh same KotCzarny05:33
sbkmy job requires that05:33
errordeveloper 'bora' is what ..os2008 ? or 2007 ?05:33
KotCzarnyso as long there's inet i can live there05:34
errordeveloperok ..05:34
KotCzarnychinook is 200805:34
sbkyou knwo what works REALLY well05:34
sbkRDP client for OS0805:34
plb2008 looks so much better than 200705:34
sbkI use that shit nonstop05:34
sbkthe N810 was my first tablet05:34
errordeveloperhm .. can i esealy upgrade via apt-get ?05:34
sbkive had it less than a week05:34
sbkits amazing05:34
Navierrordeveloper, you can but it's not recommended05:34
MipsIrvsbk: amazing compared to the n800?05:34
sbkapt-get works in OS08?~?!?~?~?~?~~??!?!?!?~?~~?05:34
KotCzarnyed: from 2007 to 2008? no05:34
sbkI havent tried anything else MipsIrv05:35
KotCzarnysbk: yes05:35
sbkthis thing is fucking amazing05:35
MipsIrvi looked at the 810.. cost prohibitive though05:35
sbkthe cost didnt really matter, I wanted a keyboard05:35
sbkbecause the browsing on my iphone sucks05:35
MipsIrvthat's an expensive keyboard though ;)05:35
KotCzarnyi've got mine nokia last week, so i'm not familiar what haven't worked before05:35
sbkthe N810 > iphone05:35
KotCzarnysbk: bt05:35
MipsIrvis it just me.. or does the 800 pretty much suck with all multimedia?05:35
sbkyeah I got mine last friday05:35
errordeveloperok ..05:35
plbI was just looking for mp3 player / video player and the n800 was only 240 so I just got that instead ;]05:35
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errordeveloperso to upgrade i need to flash it ?05:36
sbkyeah, I'm trying to convince my friend to get one05:36
MipsIrvi've had zero luck with media streamer.. flash-based video.. something else I tried I forgot05:36
errordeveloperis os2008 ok on n800 ..?05:36
sbkto replace his "cowon"05:36
sbkyou can put it on errordeveloper05:36
sbkso I read05:36
plbflash lags fro me05:36
KotCzarnymipsirv: mplayer05:36
sbkxmms works good as hell too05:36
plbI heard about some orb site but haven't tried it05:36
MipsIrvthe 800 is more responsive with OS08 as far as I can tell05:36
KotCzarnyi have heard that vlc works too05:36
sbkI Was reaaallly surprised05:36
MipsIrvi'd really like something that will let me play video from mythtv05:36
MipsIrvalthough I hate mythtv..05:37
NaviQuit acting surprised about every little damned thing.05:37
plbI got mythtv as well05:37
sbkI'm just saying Navi05:37
sbkits surprising05:37
KotCzarnynavi: stop acting so 'mature'05:37
MipsIrvplb: did you have any luck with minimyth?05:37
sbkthis thing rocks05:37
MipsIrvi got like 3 frames then the whole thing locks up..05:37
NaviKotCzarny, quit acting like KotCzarny05:37
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plbhaven't tried it...just got my n800 today still trying to find all the good apps for it lol05:37
KotCzarnythat's impossible05:37
sbkhow about GFTP05:37
sbkis there a port for that?05:37
plbI'd like an irc client for it05:38
KotCzarnysbk: yes05:38
plbI could just ssh I suppose but meh05:38
errordeveloperactually ..yeah05:38
sbkI just ssh into my boxes, and use screen/irssi from there05:38
errordeveloperwhat about irc clients for n80005:38
KotCzarnyed: what have you used on pc?05:38
MipsIrvwouldn't pidgin accomplish that?05:38
Proteousscreen + irssi + == teh win05:38
plberrordeveloper: I'm looking for one ;]05:38
MipsIrv<-- pidgining it up right now05:38
NaviProteous, you forgot SSH05:38
sbkyeah Proteous05:39
KotCzarnyand telnet05:39
Proteousyeah, sorry, SSH toooo05:39
plbirssi is my all time favorite05:39
sbksame plb05:39
MipsIrvwe also need an open media solution for the web.. flash isn't cutting it anymore05:39
KotCzarnymipsirv: news say that nokia will put m$ silverlight ont oit05:39
plbsbk: bitchx was popular way back when we first started ;]05:39
sbkyeah plb  lol!05:39
sbkwe all graduated to irssi tho :P05:39
NaviI prefer rtcomm over pidgen.05:40
MipsIrvwhat is silverlight?05:40
KotCzarnyepic ftw!05:40
plbsbk: until dev put that phone home feature in and no one wanted to use it anymore05:40
Fang64microsoft product isn't it05:40
Navi[21:34:58] <KotCzarny> mipsirv: news say that nokia will put m$ silverlight ont oit  <-05:40
Fang64plb: bitchx is awesome05:40
MipsIrvmore closed source software?05:40
alpsilverlight is an open standard for rich internet content05:40
KotCzarnyyeah.. open.. my ass05:40
Navialp, only as open as OOXML05:40
plbFang64: irssi is better ;]05:40
plband than epic405:40
KotCzarnyyou can't expect anything open from m$05:40
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alpheh. i spent the last couple of years or longer competing directly with silverlight, but i still think it gets an unfair rap05:41
alpif you want proprietary, try Flash05:41
KotCzarnyunless some court forces them to do it05:41
Navis/OOXML/Office .doc/05:41
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MipsIrvuh yeah.. right on the silverlight web site it says "we only support commercial operating systems, thanks"05:42
plbso what is the best place to find all apps...just under downloads?05:42
errordeveloper ..right05:42
KotCzarnyplb: garage too05:42
sbkyeah, thats what I have found plb05:42
KotCzarnythough it's user submitted05:42
errordevelopertrying to install skype, give some unresolvable deps05:42
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errordeveloperhow to get the bloody thing on ?05:43
MipsIrvanyone have a batter cover for a 770 they are trying to get rid of?05:43
errordeveloperi need it for my dad ..05:43
KotCzarnyed: use installer from you os?05:43
mmejiavhi... i have a problem with my brand new n800... they don't turn on !!!!!05:43
KotCzarnyi don't know if skype is supported on 200605:43
errordeveloperi tried with the package manger gui ..05:43
plbso does the n800 update itself or what...I noticed I get pop ups asking to install stuff?05:43
KotCzarnymmejiav: charge it?05:43
errordeveloperand with apt-get - the same thign05:43
mmejiavhola... tengo un problema con mi nuevo n800.... no prende05:44
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KotCzarnyi hate spanish..05:44
plbKotCzarny: you live in newark...05:44
KotCzarnyplb: nope, in jc05:44
sbkhaha nah hes in jc05:44
sbkjust as bad05:45
mmejiavthey don't show a charge indicator05:45
plbnot the best place to live if you don't like spanish i imagine lol05:45
plbmy neighborhood is mostly polish people lol05:45
Proteousmmejiav: how long have you left it plugged in?05:46
sbkI'm polish05:46
sbk2nd generation05:46
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KotCzarnydo you speak it?05:46
mmejiavProteous, mmm 30 minutes05:46
plblot of polish people out here05:46
sbknot anymore, when I was a kid yeah05:46
sbksame in greenpoint plb05:46
sbkI used to hang there a lot with my cousins05:46
Proteousmmejiav: I'd try leaving it plugged in longer05:46
Proteousmmejiav: you are plugging it in with the wall charger right? not with the USB cable?05:47
mmejiavProteous, but I don't look a charge indicator in the screen... how I know if tjey are charging?05:47
mmejiavProteous, yes, the wall charger05:47
plbeh is it possible to get a clock in the panel?05:47
sbkI found 1 plb05:47
sbkbut it was wack05:47
KotCzarnyplb: use status bar clock05:47
sbkit didnt work right for me05:47
Proteousmmejiav: does the manual say it will get a charging screen right away?05:47
sbkon OS0805:47
plbsbk: a clock?05:48
plbKotCzarny: is that for desktop or panel?05:48
plbah ok thanks05:48
KotCzarnyi guess that's the one05:48
sbkit didnt work for me really05:49
KotCzarnyworks fine for me05:49
KotCzarnybetter than desktop one..05:49
plbthey should put one in by default05:49
KotCzarnywhich is a cow05:49
mmejiavProteous, nop, I don't look info about05:49
KotCzarnyit also takes screenshots05:50
sbknot bad!05:50
KotCzarnyyes, it's great05:50
sbkbrb a couple mins gentlemen05:51
plbKotCzarny: that is statusbar clock?05:51
Proteousmmejiav: well, I'm not sure, I'd try leaving it plugged in longer, the first charge can take a while05:51
KotCzarnyi know05:52
mmejiavProteous, thanks... i'm searching more info in internet rigth now05:52
KotCzarnyproteous: otoh it can be dead too05:53
KotCzarnycharger or device05:53
plbhm is that ukmp any good?05:53
ProteousKotCzarny: that's true, but you have to try one thing at a time :)05:53
KotCzarnyproteous: but it should show charging indicator anyway, as he is suggesting05:53
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mmejiavProteous, sorry for my bad english...05:56
plbI'll be back tommorow...night everyone05:56
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mmejiavKotCzarny, yes, i'm not perfect (i don't speak english)05:57
Proteousyou speak english better then I speak any other language05:57
KotCzarnymaybe he's using online translator05:58
Proteousso I can't complain too much05:58
KotCzarnyi would do it when forced to use unknown language :)05:58
Proteousit's a pretty good translator if he is :P05:59
KotCzarnyais are amazing nowadays05:59
mmejiavKotCzarny, thanks for your help... have a nice day06:00
mmejiavProteous, thanks for your advice06:00
Proteousnp, hope you get it working06:01
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Proteoussucks to get a new non working device06:01
KotCzarnyit's like a pet's death06:01
Proteousespecial a device as cool as a nokia IT06:01
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errordeveloperhm  ..06:04
errordeveloperafter i did ^Z in ash06:05
errordeveloperi can't just resume with %06:05
KotCzarnyuse: fg06:05
errordeveloperah ..ok06:05
KotCzarnythis channel should be named #maemo-linux06:05
KotCzarnyor -unix06:06
KotCzarnyor -posix06:06
KotCzarnyor something06:06
KotCzarnymaemnix ?06:06
KotCzarnymaemonix ?06:06
KotCzarnycool name06:06
johnx_well, theoretically it's about maemo on any platform...06:06
errordeveloperis maemo no linux anyway ?06:06
KotCzarnyyou can treat it as a debian spinoff06:07
errordeveloper..another question tonight ..06:07
KotCzarnysame way ubuntu relates to debian06:07
johnx_well...that's ITOS, but different people seem to think about maemo as different things06:08
KotCzarnyscratch that06:08
errordevelopercan is somehow set up a network with n800 via usb?06:08
errordeveloperso i could ssh ..06:08
KotCzarnyi guess null-usb cable is compiled in06:08
KotCzarnyin the thefault kernel06:08
KotCzarnyand few others06:08
johnx_yes...the n800 can act like a "cdc usb ethernet adapter"06:09
KotCzarnycharging saga continues06:10
KotCzarnyi bet #0 and #2 are temp. sensors06:12
errordeveloperso if i have a pc, and i wan't to connect n800 to it would i do that?06:12
errordeveloperwhere to read aout it ..?06:12
KotCzarnyed: define 'connect'06:12
ds3kotczarny: is that gnuplot?06:13
KotCzarnyds3: yes06:13
KotCzarny'fixed' font should be a giveaway06:13
ds3how do you get it to recogonize time on the X axis?06:13
johnx_errordeveloper, windows or linux on the desktop machine?06:13
KotCzarnyset xdata time06:13
KotCzarnyset timefmt "%s"06:13
ds3and what's the format in the datafile?06:14
KotCzarnyi have my times in unixtimestamps06:14
johnx_errordeveloper, should get you started:
KotCzarny%s is 'seconds since unix epoch'06:14
ds3so it can parse something like: FOO=`date`; echo $FOO , $MY_Y_VAL >> /tmp/datafile06:14
KotCzarnyyou just have to tell the format you use06:15
ds3cool, never figured out how to do that06:15
KotCzarnyand examples06:15
ds3think I tried it once and couldn't find stuff but that was a few years ago06:15
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ds3now I got the set commands, I can read the helpfile06:15
errordeveloperjohnx_: cool, thanx a lot ;)06:17
johnx_sure...there is some GUI to do it...but it didn't exactly behave right06:17
GeneralAntilleserrordeveloper, there's a statusbar plugin that switches both client/host mode and will setup USB net for you.06:18
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errordeveloperhmm //06:19
errordeveloperthat's cool06:19
errordeveloperbut now i have a trouble here ..06:20
errordeveloperwas doing apt-upgrade, and it stopped the wlan deamon ..06:20
errordeveloperlike this 'Stopping WLAN Connection Daemon:06:20
KotCzarnyanother newyorker06:20
GeneralAntillesHe's much cooler than you are.06:20
KotCzarnyga: so what?06:20
errordeveloperit  cannot boot now :(06:21
johnx_it starts to boot, then dies?06:21
errordeveloperkeeeps flashing the white nokia screen ..06:21
johnx_ah, do you have data you need to recover or can you reflash?06:21
errordeveloperno data really ..06:22
errordeveloperi don't have too much time for reflashing /../06:22
KotCzarnyreflashing is fast06:22
johnx_if you want to try to recover it use the nokia flasher to disable watchdog06:22
johnx_but debugging this will probably take longer than a reflash06:22
KotCzarnyafter you have all set up it takes few seconds06:22
errordeveloperok ..06:23
elbmake sure your OS2008 is completely up-to-date if it doesn't boot06:23
errordeveloperso this time i'll install screen streaight away ..06:23
errordeveloperah ..not sure if screen would help for this ..06:24
KotCzarnyor use app-manager06:24
errordeveloperyeah ..06:24
KotCzarnyit has nice 'update' screen too06:24
errordevelopermay be, but it couldn't do what i wanted06:24
ds3arrrrgg some repo  is corrupted06:24
ds3I see ""devel ""libs <KotCzarny> set xdata time06:24
ds3<KotCzarny> set timefmt "%s"06:24
ds3I see ""devel ""lib, etc groups06:24
KotCzarnyds3: have you enabled redpill mode?06:25
ds3but this appeared after I did a update06:25
errordeveloperok i'd reflash for os200806:25
ds3so it is not redpill killing it06:25
elbit rules that maemo devs can't agree on category names06:25
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errordeveloperthere was 200706:25
KotCzarnyds3: disable one by one?06:25
elbnot even close06:25
ds3I could do that or I could wait a week to see if someone fixes there stuff ;)06:26
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KotCzarnyds3: wishfull thinking06:26
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AJayMNlooking for a wifi finder/meter hear of kismet but cant find the deb for a Nokia 770  any suggestions?06:32
johnx_I found a deb for it on
johnx_no idea if it works06:35
johnx_crash, bang, boom, ow, ow, ow...06:40
* texel goes back to attempting to build Transmission for Chinook06:40
texelHehe =o)06:40
johnx_texel, you know there's a .deb of it already, right?06:41
texelThere is, eh?06:41
johnx_on itt06:41
texelIs it properly Hildonized at all? O.o06:41
johnx_but it has some hacks for small screen usage06:41
* texel nods06:41
GeneralAntillesIt works well enough.06:41
johnx_you might at least want to start with that source instead of from scratch06:42
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texelWas it some serious hacking to get it into a runnable state?06:42
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GeneralAntilles"5 minute port"06:42
johnx_I didn't look too closely06:42
texelMm. Thought as much. =o)06:42
texelIt seems like a straightforward port, really.06:43
johnx_I mean, if I have inet access on my tablet I'll just tell my desktop at home to start the torrent...06:43
johnx_I thought there were some quirks, but I could be wrong06:43
errordeveloperyeah ..os08 looks much keewler :)~06:43
GeneralAntillesThe tablets make for really awesome low-power clients.06:43
lopzgood night06:43
texelG'night, lopz.06:44
johnx_'night lopz06:44
texelOw. qemu really bites sometimes.06:44
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texel"qemu: Unsupported syscall: 264"06:44
johnx_ah, qemu usermode...06:44
texelYeah. I should really look into sbrsh.06:44
* johnx_ ended up running debian inside qemu-system-arm06:44
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texeljohnx_: bet that wasn't exactly fun.06:45
johnx_the install was slow, but now I have a faster ARM host to compile on06:45
johnx_...for debian06:45
texelsbrsh sounds... erm... creepy.06:46
johnx_lots of scratchbox stuff is pretty crazy06:47
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johnx_in the end cross compiling is a mixture of voodoo and luck06:47
texelTrue enough.06:47
texelThough I remember back in the days when I was hacking on the old Sharp SL-5000D.06:47
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texelCross compiling back then was major pain.06:47
texelSB, thankfully, makes things easier.06:47
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johnx_you had the original? neat06:48
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johnx_32MB of RAM is no fun though06:48
* texel doublenods06:48
texelI've had lots of embedded linux devices, though some weren't /supposed/ to have Linux on them... >=o)06:48
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texelBleh. Too many netsplits.06:50
johnx_yeah, really. seems bad today06:50
GeneralAntillesHub went down earlier.06:51
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texelHrm... I wonder where I can get an IPAQ cheap. =o)06:51
johnx_depends on which ipaq you want...06:51
johnx_the hx4700 looks reasonable06:51
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johnx_also depends on what you mean by cheap :)06:52
texelWell, I was thinking used.06:52
texelLooks like one's available for around $70.06:52
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texelI was thinking for use as a compilation target with SB.06:53
johnx_ah...use qemu-system-arm06:53
johnx_probably faster than just about anything else06:53
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texelMm. Unfortunately, I've not had much luck with that, I'm afraid.06:54
texelIe: the aforementioned "unsupported syscall" errors.06:54
texelEmacs 22 won't even bootstrap, either, I'm afraid.06:54
johnx_I mean qemu-system-arm as in run a whole kernel in qemu06:54
johnx_it's faster than just about any consumer available arm system if you have an athlon 64 or something better06:55
texelHow about a quad-core Xeon system? =op06:55
johnx_I don't think it takes advantage of multiples cores/cpus :P06:56
* texel goes to investigate06:57
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hoopyecho clownpenis.fart >> /etc/hosts07:13
KotCzarnyirc: echo: command not accepted07:14
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KotCzarnyi wonder how much generic matchbox differs from nokia's07:18
johnx_probably, not a lot07:18
KotCzarnyand if it will be useful to replace it07:19
johnx_while keeping the rest of hildon desktop? probably not helpful07:19
johnx_recompiling nokia's source with different options might be interesting07:19
johnx_like movable dialog windows07:19
KotCzarnyyes, that's what motivates me to find another wm07:19
johnx_personally I'm a big fan of matchbox for embedded touchscreen linux07:20
KotCzarnynokia's wm is open?07:20
johnx_yes, source is available07:20
KotCzarnywhat name it bears?07:20
johnx_matchbox-window-manager IIRC07:20
johnx_it's in their source repo07:21
johnx_pretty big O_o07:21
johnx_probably contains lots of graphics07:21
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KotCzarnythemes: Default  MBOpus  blondie  bluebox  borillo07:24
KotCzarnyi wonder if they simply changed names07:25
KotCzarnyor if those are completely different07:25
johnx_those sound like what I've seen on the zaurus/angstrom07:25
johnx_as in, more like the other screenshots on that page07:25
KotCzarnyon nokia there are: echo, felicia, glasser, hendrika, plankton07:26
johnx_I'm pretty sure those themes aren't related07:27
KotCzarnypackage build options07:31
johnx_you know, I think you can tell dialogs to be movable at runtime07:32
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KotCzarny    *   matchbox-keyboard-manager07:35
KotCzarny      A GTK2 based tool for managing matchbox key shortcuts with gconf. As yet unreleased.07:35
KotCzarnythat would be cool07:35
KotCzarnyright now hardware keys are hardwired07:36
KotCzarnyaren't they?07:37
johnx_wait, what are you trying to do?07:37
johnx_hardware keys generate a keysym and something listens for it07:37
johnx_the keysym can be changed if you really want I guess07:37
KotCzarnynot without a xkeycaps etc.07:38
KotCzarnyyou can use vi07:38
texelActually, I was just about to embark on doing just that.07:38
KotCzarnybut that would require you to know xkeys names07:38
texelIf you edit the xkb files, you can specify whatever you want. =op07:38
KotCzarnyi know07:38
KotCzarnybut i'm lazy07:38
* johnx_ shakes his head07:39
KotCzarnyalso, it will provide easy way to create localized kb07:39
johnx_I thought there was already work towards that07:39
KotCzarnybtw. i think i will map hw +/- to ctrl/alt07:40
KotCzarnythat will solve irssi/screen/epic issue i think07:40
KotCzarnyunless onscreen kb ignores 'real' kb keys07:40
johnx_you use the builtin os2008 xterm?07:40
KotCzarnyright now i use ssh07:40
KotCzarnyi wonder if enabling 'composite' will be hard07:41
KotCzarnyanyone know if xserver is/can be enabled to use it too?07:42
johnx_isn't it already?07:43
KotCzarnymatchbox compiles without composite07:43
johnx_probably because it doesn't use it07:44
KotCzarnywhich makes me wonder if the enabled composite in xserver07:44
johnx_pretty sure it's enabled07:44
texelYeah, pretty sure it is as well.07:44
KotCzarnyno xorg.log07:44
texelDev instructions tell you to forcibly enable it for Xephyr.07:44
texelIt's probably used somewhere in Sapwood.07:45
johnx_KotCzarny, it's not xorg per se07:46
johnx_texel, the hildon panels use it for transparency IIRC07:47
KotCzarnylast time i mentioned it's not exactly xorg someone corrected me07:47
KotCzarnydon't remember who it was though07:47
johnx_well, logs are disabled anyways :)07:47
KotCzarnythere are few logbots07:48
KotCzarnyjust check google :)07:48
johnx_uhm...the x server logs07:48
johnx_it mentions logs in the topic :P07:48
KotCzarnythat's why i have said07:48
johnx_I mean, I can't make the shipped xomap create a log no matter what I do...maybe I'm missing something07:49
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KotCzarnymaybe it's trying to log to ro fs?07:49
KotCzarnyrun with >/tmp ?07:49
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Pauline92I just got a Nokia N770 and I have no idea how to install applications08:01
KotCzarnysettings -> application manager ?08:01
Pauline92I want to install envince for OS2006, but I can't figure out how to install it08:01
Pauline92I mean08:02
KotCzarnyhow much do you know about *nix ?08:02
KotCzarnyaha, then you will have to find web installable version i think08:02
KotCzarnyi may be wrong though08:03
KotCzarnyi have n80008:03
KotCzarnybeen there? clicked 'install' ?08:03
Pauline92I was there08:03
Pauline92I clicked Install08:04
Pauline92Saved it in "Documents"08:04
Pauline92I go to File manager -> Documents08:04
Pauline92and evince is there08:04
Pauline92I double click "evince"08:04
Pauline92It then loads up Application Manager and it has "Show installed applications", "isntall new applications", and "check for updates"08:05
KotCzarnyi think you will have to enable extras08:05
KotCzarnybecause i see it in extras08:05
Pauline92How do I enable "extras"?08:05
KotCzarnythere should be 'manage repos' or something08:06
KotCzarnyone word of warning08:06
KotCzarnyextras are packages made by various people08:06
KotCzarnymay or may not work08:06
Pauline92I don't see "manage repos"08:07
KotCzarnyin app-manager: tools -> catalogs manager08:07
KotCzarnythere should be something with extras in the name08:07
KotCzarnyselect, edit08:07
KotCzarnyshould have 'disabled' checked08:07
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KotCzarnyuncheck, ok08:07
KotCzarnyand you should be able to see many new packages08:08
Pauline92I just have 4 repositories08:08
Pauline92I entered 2 of them08:08
KotCzarnyit's in: bora free non-free08:08
KotCzarnyat least install file points there08:08
Pauline92I dont have that one08:08
Pauline92I have gregalse08:09
Pauline92 gregale free non-free08:09
Pauline92Ah ok08:10
Pauline92I just had to enter "extras"08:10
Pauline92OK it's telling me I'm missing "libglade2.0 >= 1:2.3.6"08:10
Pauline92in order to install evince08:10
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KotCzarnybtw. have you created new repo or just edited one of the existent?08:11
Pauline92I just reflashed it to new08:13
Pauline92installed the gregale SDK08:13
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Pauline92Now looking to install Evince08:13
KotCzarnywhy don't you try 2008he ?08:14
Pauline92I dont think it runs to well08:14
Pauline92even 2007he is said to be unstable08:14
johnx_2007he is worth a shot08:14
KotCzarnybut you know how to reflash08:14
KotCzarnyso it shouldn't be a problem if it doesn't work well08:15
Pauline92I just used the Windows GUI08:15
Pauline92You just click "Next" and it goes08:15
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rm_youright. which is enough :)08:15
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rm_youi would definately try 2007HE08:16
rm_youthat opens up a LOT of much more useful software08:16
johnx_anyways, for evince, try this: on the tablet, go to, select OS2006, search for evince, hit "click to install" on the first repository (the one that has evince 0.90) then install evince from app manager08:16
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KotCzarnyyes, you can always flash 2006 back08:16
KotCzarnywidhout a problem08:16
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Pauline92rm_you - have you tried 2007HE on N770?08:19
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rm_youno, but while hanging out in IRC here, i've talked to a lot of people that have. though, i did run os2007 on my n800, and i've been told it installs all the same packages fairly effortlessly08:21
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Pauline92rm_you - what is the difference between 2007 and 2006?08:21
rm_youbasically, the n770 was the only device to run os2006, and most of the major development happened at the end of the 770's life cycle, and in the midst of the n800 is when a lot of stuff really took off08:21
rm_youwhich was all on os200708:21
rm_youso you get an entirely new (and much larger) set of programs to install08:22
johnx_OS2007 has updated software and libraries08:22
rm_youit's a much more tested and fully developed OS than 200608:22
johnx_it's worth a try anyways08:23
Pauline92I'll giver her a go08:23
KotCzarnyyeah. and it's 99% safe08:23
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Pauline92Thanks guys08:23
Pauline92What software do you recommend for your Nokia?08:23
johnx_plus 2007he comes with the wireless memory corruption fix so it should be more stable :)08:23
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rm_youmplayer for playing video...08:24
rm_youkagu or ukmp (or canola... does it support 2007HE?) for music08:24
Pauline92Can you watch youtube on Nokia?08:24
rm_youthough it is sometimes.... iffyt08:25
Pauline92What do you need for that? Just 2007HE?08:25
rm_youbut if you use a tool like UKTube (comes with UKMP) it will download/play the videos perfectly if you give it the youtube URL08:25
rm_youthough i'm not sure if he's updated it yet... youtube keeps changing its code and breaking uktube :/08:26
KotCzarnywhen they have dropped opera in favour of mikrob ?08:26
KotCzarnyin 2007 or in 2008?08:26
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KotCzarnynot yet08:54
LinuxCodeany of you getting categories to sync using gpesyncd ?08:54
LinuxCodemine just does my Personal category08:54
LinuxCodeproblem is  I have two other categories too ;-|08:55
LinuxCodewhich dont seem to sync atm08:55
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LinuxCodeand when I add two items under those categories on the N810 they end up in personal in evolution08:56
LinuxCodeI read that categories work08:56
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LinuxCodeand Im sure they worked before08:56
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phanihi all ... anyone tell me how do i toggle fullscreen on maemo? what Atom/keybinding should i look for ?09:03
johnx_as in what keysym the "fullscreen" key generates?09:03
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LinuxCodemorning john09:04
phaniit toggles fullscreen ? or anyother key to get out of fullscreen ?09:04
johnx_toggles fullscreen09:04
johnx_that's the keysym that the "fullscreen" button generates09:05
johnx_xev will tell you the same :)09:05
phanithanks a lot09:05
KotCzarnyxev isn't installed by default09:05
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johnx_it's a quick compile09:05
phanioh ... i didnt know .... thanks a lot for your help09:06
tank-manyou can press f8 or something for fullscreen toggle on a keyboard09:07
johnx_f6 tank-man. I know :P09:07
NaviA bit of a netstudder there09:08
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LinuxCodelol I just googled for gpesynd and I get a log from this chan as result!09:11
LinuxCodeI need a testing package for gpesyncd09:12
LinuxCodeI think the 14th Jan version still had the category bug09:13
czrit's like yesterday, while debugging windows, I entered one error message directly to IE/Live search. the second entry on the search page was a reference to a friend's homepage, who was sitting at that time about 2 meters from me.09:13
czrthat was pretty spooky. obviously the page had absolutely nothing to do with the error message.09:13
KotCzarnythere was a funny vid about two guys zooming on google maps09:14
KotCzarnysattelite maps09:14
ProteousI saw that one, pretty funny\09:16
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LinuxCodemeh cant find something newer09:19
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desertcno silverlight! boo!09:34
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KotCzarnycoming, and going.. fscked splits.09:41
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febbhi all09:55
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febbanyone here has an nokia 770 internet tablet ?09:55
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febbanyone has a nokia 770 internet tablet on hand ?09:58
Navifebb, chill09:58
NaviThis is IRC.09:58
febbI know.....09:58
Proteousfebb: yeah09:58
NaviYou'll get your answer in 2-5 business days09:58
KotCzarnynot true09:59
febbbet not  !  ;)09:59
ProteousI HAS GOT 77009:59
NaviIgnore Proteous09:59
ProteousWHAT YOU NEAD09:59
Proteoushey, that's not nice09:59
Navihe's a dirty liar09:59
KotCzarnyyadda yadda09:59
KotCzarnyCAN I HAZ 770?09:59
Tama^2I am in your tablet touching your screen09:59
LinuxCodemorning Tama^210:00
LinuxCodehey Tama^2 are you using gpesync ?10:00
Tama^2Hi LinuxCode10:00
Proteousfebb seemed very impatient a while ago, and now there is no answer10:00
czrI'm in UR maemo breekin qemu10:00
LinuxCodeneed to know if it synces all your categories10:00
Tama^2nope, I still haven't tried gpe10:00
LinuxCodeif you do10:00
LinuxCodeonly seems to sync my personal category10:00
LinuxCodeas long as it synces10:00
LinuxCodeI guess I can live with that10:01
febbthere's an answer....10:01
Tama^2I will try it out soon10:01
Tama^2and let you knoe :P10:01
LinuxCodecobb made a daily snapshot repo10:01
LinuxCodetried latest thought that would fix it10:01
LinuxCodeno luck Tama^210:01
LinuxCodewhen you get to trying it out hehe10:01
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febbhi red-zack  , msanchez10:02
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febbmsanchez: where are you from?10:03
msanchezfrom Galicia, Spain10:03
febbah...looked like.  ;)10:04
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febbhi ustunozgur10:10
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ustunozgurhi febb10:11
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aquatixmorning all10:15
febbhi aquatiz....10:15
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aquatixhey febb10:16
* aquatix only has an N810, sorry ;)10:16
* febb Looking for users with an Nokia 770, to get a backup of a file from the OS. 10:17
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tank-mancan't you just reflash or update ?10:18
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johnx_if all else fails you can grab the flashable image, pull the jffs2 image out of it, and mount that loopback on your desktop to extract the files10:19
aquatixyeah, was about to suggest something similar10:19
febbtank-man   no, unfortunately no, I can't reflash or update...long story, but I can't. I just need to recover one of the video demo files that came with the 770, the DiscoveryChannel video...10:21
febbjohnx_  that sounds like a possibility....10:21
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johnx_the flasher can "explode" the image so you can get at the jffs2, then you need a linux distro with mtd-ram.ko kernel module loaded (possibly some others) and jffs2 support, then just mount -o loop foo.jffs2 /some/dir10:22
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febbI am going to try that ....if I can't find someone with a 770 who just can transfer me the file...10:24
johnx_I bet that most people with 770s already deleted it to get the space back...10:24
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febbyeah, could be.... there is not even a site where to download it...except for the nokia firmware dl site.10:26
johnx_well, it contains proprietary Nokia software so generally people avoid mirroring it for legal reasons...10:26
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febbyeah, i know that...10:28
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hrwfebb: which file?10:37
febbI only need the Discovery channel video demo...10:40
febbi think it is named Discovery.vid10:40
febbhi hrw, by the way  :)10:41
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hrwfebb: tried to extract it from firmware image?10:46
febbhrw:  not yet, I know I can do that...but no, I just tried looking for someone who could just transfer me the file...  its a very long story.10:47
johnx_if you give me an image I'll extract the file for you. Should take about 5 minutes10:47
febbwe are building  a video processing software...NIT based,   the issue is that many tests were made with that specific video.10:47
febbwhich is no longer in the n800 or n810.... and now it turns out that we need it.10:48
johnx_(an image or a 770 mac address)10:48
febbI can do that...  hold a sec.10:48
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febbok, got it finally.11:13
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rm_you_waking up in 4 hours... why do i always do this to myself >_<11:14
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aquatixrm_you: heh, sounds familiar11:15
rm_youthe life of a computer scientist / enthusiast <_<11:16
* rm_you sighs11:16
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* rm_you sleeps11:18
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aquatixrm_you: sleep well11:21
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febbwell.  guess I am calling it a night.....11:24
febbsee you later all here.11:24
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JaffaMorning, all11:31
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cLinis there a command in xterm to load up microb and go to website?11:48
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tank-mancLin, i just looked and yea there is11:57
tank-manexample command: browser --url=slashdot.org11:58
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cesmanor browser http://foo.bar11:59
cesmanscrap that last one11:59
cesmantank-man: you following me from channel to channel? ;)12:00
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tank-mani'm thinking the same thing :P12:00
* LinuxCode stalks cesman and tank-man on freenode12:00
tank-mani'm a guy, not a female :) you can stop stalking me12:01
LinuxCodemen get stalked too12:02
LinuxCodeby crazy women12:02
LinuxCodesame principal12:03
tank-mani didnt need to know that12:03
LinuxCodeI had a mate who got called 170 times12:03
LinuxCodeby  this crazy bitch12:03
LinuxCodeI have a video of his mobile rining...12:03
LinuxCodeso funny12:03
LinuxCode170 missed calls12:03
LinuxCodewith it ringing ..then it stops...second later it rings again12:03
LinuxCodebut for an outsider its kinda funny12:07
LinuxCodeas long as its not your own phone ;-p12:07
LinuxCodebut then Im in the UK so..12:07
LinuxCodewe have laws against that12:08
LinuxCodeyour phone company would block the caller on request12:08
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aquatixyeah, here in the NL too12:17
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florianhi all12:57
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LinuxCodeanybody know what the qmu sdk application is based on ?13:14
LinuxCodethe first vmware image or the latest ?13:15
LinuxCodeim getting a segfault13:15
LinuxCodetrying to start maemo13:15
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gomiammmm... I'm trying to use a N800 in host mode with the enclosed cable and I've been able to provide power to a USB hub I have14:04
gomiambut nothing else shows up14:04
gomiamI'm googling but I've had no luck yet about finding a good tutorial14:06
johnx_you did "echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode" ?14:06
johnx_(or used usbcontrol)14:06
gomiammmm.. no, I'm using usbcontrol14:06
gomiamhold on14:06
johnx_I heard some mumbling about hubs and whitelists14:06
gomiamI'm going to connect to my WiFi router so I can tinker with it from a console14:07
johnx_can you try to plug whatever you're trying in directly14:07
LinuxCodedont hubs drain power like mad14:07
gomiamby the way, where does the dmesg log reside?14:07
johnx_hubs can also soak up power like LinuxCode said14:07
LinuxCodeit only supports a keybaord14:07
LinuxCodehds etc.. wont work14:07
johnx_gomiam, it doesn't reside anywhere14:07
gomiamLinuxCode: no problem with power, it's connected to the DC adapter right now14:07
johnx_LinuxCode, flash drives should work14:08
gomiamjohnx_: oh. How does dmesg get the kernel messages then?14:08
LinuxCodejohnx_, I read some issues even with flash drives14:08
johnx_some work at least14:08
LinuxCodebut as I hvanet tired14:08
johnx_I'll test mine in a second here14:08
LinuxCodeId rather take your word for it14:08
LinuxCodethan some sites14:08
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LinuxCodeaka first hand experience14:09
johnx_I know I had a flash drive not work with my zaurus usb-host but others did14:09
johnx_some must be real pigs or tell lies about the amount of power they need14:09
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LinuxCodemore than likely hehe14:10
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johnx_works great, even formatted as ext314:10
LinuxCodeif there isnt one specific standard they all just make their own ways to measure stuff14:11
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gomiamargh, isn't there a way to tail -f the kernel messages14:11
johnx_gomiam, no14:12
yabbasCan anyone point me in the right direction to create a menu shortcut on maemo?14:12
johnx_yabbas, I'm pretty sure it's constructed out of .desktop files that live in /usr/share/hildon14:12
johnx_those might give you an idea of how to do it14:12
yabbasjohnx_, tried looking at evinces, tweaking it - it states "X loading" and does nothing.14:13
yabbasthis despite me being able to load said application through an xterm14:13
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gomiamok, now I'm getting some information14:16
jkuyabbas, you'll need a service file. See /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ (from memory)14:16
johnx_and I seem to recall something about names needing to match in all places service, .desktop and someplace inside the app (?)14:17
yabbascheers jku - I'll have a looksie14:17
gomiamI received a hub_suspend followed by a usb auto-suspend. What does that mean?14:17
johnx_I don't know...I've heard mumbles about hubs not being supported though14:17
johnx_can you try plugging whatever it is in directly?14:18
gomiamnope, no double female at hand yet14:18
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gomiamI connect the tablet to the hub throught its own cable14:19
Koshiohh, is this about using the tablet as usb host?14:19
gomiamand then connect the other peripheral to the same hub14:19
Deliousb hubs do not work like that14:20
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johnx_yeah...either I'm confused or there is no way that can work...14:20
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jkuyabbas, could be I'm talking out of my ass (it's been a while since I did that), check the tutorial if it doesn't work14:20
yabbasweeeee :D it works - muchos thanks jku14:20
* johnx_ must be very confused14:20
yabbasnow all I need to do is package it up :-/14:20
johnx_ah, nevermind...lost track of the conversation...glad to hear it's working yabbas14:21
yabbasdanke schone  johnx_14:21
Delioyou are using an usb hub like an ethernet hub except usb distinguishes between host and devices14:21
gomiamI guess I'll have to get a double female USB-A connector XD14:22
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gomiamDelio: oh, pity XD14:22
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gomiamstupid hub ;-D14:22
johnx_female-female adapters are cheap at least14:22
Delioeh ;)14:22
gomiamyup, and it's not like I didn't need the hub, anyway14:23
KoshiHmm, just playing with f/f adapter here as well14:23
johnx_yup...I have a nice little no-name keyboard plugged into my N800 via one14:23
Deliommm I should get myself one of those female to female adapters14:23
KoshiBut it appears not to like working with anything14:24
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* b0unc3 good morning14:24
johnx_Koshi, what have you tried?14:24
johnx_mornin' b0unc314:24
yabbasDelio, cheap as chips from DealExtreme.  I ended up buying two :)14:24
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* yabbas still wants to get a microAB plug to create his own14:25
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gomiam"not findink double usb female konnektor" ;-)14:26
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gomiam(I'm looking at dealextreme)14:27
yabbaslemme find it for ya - I ordered two last week14:27
Tama^3test 12314:27
johnx_321 tset14:27
yabbasgomiam, SKU 2646 :)14:28
Tama^3it appers to be working with my correct nick now14:28
yabbasMy plan is to get the microAB plug, solder a tiny ribbon cable to it, then stick SKU 7106to the back of the N810 for some memory luvvin goodness.  ;)14:29
johnx_yeah, I have a truly random collection of things stuck out the side of my N800 now :/14:30
Tama^3somehow before it switched to using my first name, but Ido not remember entering it anywhere on the tablet14:30
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yabbasjohnx_, whacha got there?14:30
johnx_mini-b -> male A into a female A -> female A into a flash drive14:31
yabbasTama^3, the tablet is all knowing, all seeing.14:31
johnx_all are just little adapters so there's no flex at all14:31
johnx_it worries me a lot :|14:31
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johnx_it's ok when the keyboard plugged in on a flat surface, but with *that* assortment it's just begging to get snapped off14:31
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yabbasjohnx_, aye worries me too...hence me looking at  making my own :(  Hama have a micro-usb cable for OTG devices  but I don't think its microAB :(14:32
yabbasmy thought  is that if  I have something like a small fragile ribbon cable soldered to the plug, any chance of bad flexing would simply screw  up the makeshift rig as opposed to screwing up the port14:34
yabbasthat and it should squeeze into the gap between the 810 and stand14:34
johnx_I think I'll just stick with a "travel configuration" and a "stationary configuration"...especially since the stand needs to be out for USB anyways14:35
johnx_that darn thing also feels fragile to me14:35
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yabbasIs there an easy way to debianize a .tar.gz for self-installation?  None of this dh_make stuff14:39
johnx_dh_make is the easy way14:39
yabbasbwah - dh_make fails to create the deb though14:39
jnbesanyone know what is the default lock code for n810?14:39
johnx_then I have no idea14:40
johnx_12345 was right for the N800, IIRC14:40
johnx_yabbas, I feel your pain...I just had to make a .deb for a couple arch-independent files and it was still a PITA14:41
johnx_I probably did it a million kinds of wrong as well...heh14:41
liriit seems to me like the n800 is a bit slow/heavy on loading content rich websites like youtube14:41
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johnx_javascript and flash are slow14:41
yabbasjohnx_,  doing things wrong is my worry too :/  Man - RELEASING an app should be made easier!14:42
liriis it any better in the n810 version?14:42
liribecause the software stack is the same14:42
johnx_the N810 is the same CPU/RAM/mainboard14:42
johnx_so no14:42
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johnx_maybe try flashblock and just click on flash you want to see?14:43
liriI'm wondering what are the everyday things people are doing with the n800/81014:43
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johnx_light browsing, ebooks, music14:43
liriI have only played with the n800 a little bit today, I'll do some more tomorrow14:43
koshiOk, had network issues, but a keyboard works fine via a female/female adapter :)14:43
johnx_it's too easy for me to get sucked into youtube for I really try to avoid it O_o14:44
liriI'm wondering how streaming videos off of vlc or something would be like14:44
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yabbasliri, what johnx said - plus DivX's, VOIP, and GPS navigation14:44
johnx_there's a neat little auto-transcoding web based thing that someone was working on14:44
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johnx_and there's orb for windows of course14:44
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liriyabbas: divxs though have to be re-transcoded to play because it would probably be too heavy to play the normal movie files. what do you use for gps? (software)14:45
koshiAt first it complained how it could not mount a file system from a keyboard (obviously) but then just worked fine :D14:45
johnx_koshi, it does that everytime :)14:45
yabbasliri:  I'll be honest and say I've not transcoded most of the DivX's I download from the net - they just work.  There is slowdown in heavy heavy action scenes but I live with it :) easier than transcoding,heh14:46
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koshiAhh I see, at first I didin't realise it worked as by usual debug of a machine try pressing num lock and see if it lights up. It didin't so I asusmed it just didin't work14:46
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johnx_both of you might be interested in this then:
johnx_I played with it a while back. when it works it's pretty freaking cool :)14:47
yabbasliri, GPS - I have a  code from Wayfinder so that's what I use.  Also wanna look into saving google map for offline usage with maemomapper.14:47
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lirilooks nice14:47
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liriahh yes14:48
liriwell gps from wayfinder requires internet access and on the road it isn't very common... at least here14:48
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lirigooglemaps isn't good here either becasue the streets are not mapped :(14:48
johnx_well, that's no good :/14:48
yabbaswhy does wayfinder gps need internet access?14:49
johnx_I've heard that google maps' quality varies by country14:49
johnx_wait...maemo-mapper requires inet access for maps. wayfinder doesn't I thought14:49
johnx_(after the initial map download)14:49
yabbasI'd like off-line satellite images for maemo-mapper simply because I get curious wondering what's over the fence :D14:50
liriumm, I could be confusing things... what software do you use for the maps on the maemo?14:50
johnx_there are two: "Maps" aka wayfinder, and maemo-mapper14:50
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aquatixwayfinder works offline fyi14:51
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liriso wayfinder are basically maps/program?14:51
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liriahh nice, I thought it was like an online service for the maps (like googlemaps)14:51
aquatixno, that's the maemo-mapper program14:52
lirido they have world wide maps?14:52
aquatixnot quite14:52
aquatixbut they cover a lot14:52
yabbaswayfinder's pretty much a bog standard "no frills" gps navigation software.  Really wish we could parse their routable maps and create something better :(14:52
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liriwhat formats does wayfinder use for maps?14:53
johnx_some vector format14:53
liriit isn't like the igo format?14:53
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aquatixgot my boxwave screen protector15:02
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mgedmin  I have discovered that there are two types of command15:09
mgedmininterfaces in the world of computing: good interfaces and15:09
mgedminuser interfaces.15:09
mgedmin -- djb15:09
jnbesjohnx_, it was 12345.... me must have crappy fingers... could you slap my face with a big rotten trout please? :-)15:12
* jnbes must go buy replacement fingers15:12
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johnx_don't worry about it15:13
johnx_I'll just write an IOU if that's ok with you :)15:13
johnx_I owe you one trout slap, signed johnx15:14
jnbesok, fine15:14
* czr prefers YOMs15:15
johnx_czr, you wish I owed you a trout slap? O_o15:15
czrjohnx_, of course.15:15
czrI'm that kind of boy.15:15
* johnx_ kries15:15
johnx_there are skeery people on the internet...15:16
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czrjohnx_, people? :-)15:20
* czr is pretty certain most nicks are just bots written in Tcl15:20
jaska_atleast i hope im not written in tcl15:20
aquatixah, skeery15:20
czrjaska_, it could be worse. GW Basic.15:21
johnx_ti-basic is pretty bad too15:21
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Juhazyou can tell the language by how subtly they troll15:22
johnx_ahaha :D15:22
Juhazthe sad little spammers are clearly VBA macros running in MS Office15:23
jaska_now look what you started :)15:23
johnx_it's not my fault you're all written in tcl :P15:24
johnx_also, gah, sapwood-server is being a PITA15:24
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czrjohnx_, not all. most. :-)15:25
czrsome of the more silent ones are written in bf.15:25
czrthey're not too bright in general.15:25
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johnx_heh...there was a better one than bf that I saw the other day15:25
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* czr is pretty certain that most GTK+ coders are just latent bf-coders, being cranky.15:26
advhertzhello there, I would like to know please how to install the statusbarclock, I mean, indeed I would like to know in which repository it exists. Instead using the "manual" .deb file installation I would like to install it using the debian APT/maemo Appl Man program. This is the link of the project
johnx_for OS2007 or OS2008?15:29
advhertzjohnx_, OS200815:30
johnx_I don't believe that it is available in a repository15:30
advhertzI have both "installed" yet the extra and extra-devel maemo repository...15:31
johnx_most repositories are listed on . If you search for statusbarclock you can see that it's not available from any of them15:31
johnx_czr, check out the malbolge went years without a hello world...15:33
czrjohnx_, haha.15:35
advhertzjohnx_, ok Thanks!15:35
czrit looks like Perl++.15:35
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johnx_the person who appears to have gotten the farthest with it programmed using cryptanalysis techniques O_o15:35
shackanwith what?15:37
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johnx_shackan, "esoteric" programming language15:37
ccookeIt's a fun language15:38
* Jaffa ponders this Silverlight news. Were MS planning a Linux port anyway, as that'd be enormous news making the front of /. (/me then wonders if Nokia PR are slightly inaccurate about this)15:41
johnx_well, moonlight has been in progress for a while, IIRC15:41
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* aquatix doesn't care about light from redmond15:42
Jaffajohnx_: Nokia and MS both advocating a Mono-based solution? I doubt it.15:43
Jaffaaquatix: personally, I don't care either - but the politics are important; and I know a lot of people who will care.15:43
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johnx_I thought moonlight/mono was at least not completely condemned by MS?15:44
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Jaffajohnx_: not sure. I know there's still enough doubt over it and patents. If it were Moonlight-based, I'd've expected Novell to be mentioned in the PR (although admittedly it was dealing with S60 primarily; S40 & ITOS were relegated to a footnote saying "watch this space")15:45
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johnx_hmm...I wonder if S60/S40 will have one implementation and ITOS will have another15:46
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DaniloCesarWill maemo accept projects in soc2008?15:54
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plbcan you format a memory card within the n800?15:55
plbhow does one do this? ;]15:56
johnx_in file manager :)15:56
johnx_select memory card, menu -> tools -> format15:57
plbalso, that nokia tablet software update wizard is capable of reformating the n800 right16:00
plb?16:00 "reflashes" the device, erasing everything on the internal flash16:01
johnx_gah...I should sleep16:01
johnx_'night all16:01
plbmorning for me ;]16:02
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plbhm howcome I have an update to the application map but it won't let me install it? says it's from another source? And I just put os2008 on here16:10
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plbhm when you install something from it automatically adds the repo to your source?16:19
plbah nm16:23
plbmaemo extras is already in but disabled by default16:23
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plbhrm this youtube plugin for canola2 looks nice17:00
plbwonder how long till we see it17:00
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achadwickAnyone else getting a dangling   arm-none-linux-gnueabi-cc -> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc  symlink when trying to use maemo-sdk for Ubuntu gutsy?17:06
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k-splb: we're finishing last bits17:09
plbk-s: awesome, can't wait17:09
k-salso working on last.fm17:09
plbI actually haven't even tried canola yet..just got my n800 yesterday ;]17:09
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plbk-s: aweseom +2 ;]17:09
plbaweseom even17:10
k-sand they'll be open source so people can extend canola17:10
plbonly things I've installed so far are mplayer and pidgin17:10
k-swe still need some hooks so plugins can act, but these will come with time17:10
k-sand requirements, as we hate overthinking ;-)17:10
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LinuxCodelater all...time to have a kip18:11
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KotCzarnyyawn, re18:12
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pupnik_an arm-optimized fmopl would benefit a lot of projects18:15
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texelGood morning, folks.18:19
jameywhat is fmopl?18:19
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pupnika FM-synthesis chip for sound generation used in mame, dosbox, and a number of game engines18:20
pupnikit would best to run it on the dsp18:20
pupnikthe rest of the sound blaster could be on the ARM18:20
KotCzarnypcm tasks would be usefull18:21
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KotCzarnyi think..18:21
pupnikbecause many projects could use the fmopl on dsp directly, and a sound blaster on dsp would only be useful to dosbox18:21
pupnikalso if you look at cpu use, only the fmopl chip takes up much time18:21
pupnikthe rest of the sb is just some signalling and sound buffering18:22
KotCzarnypcm mixing can take some cpu too18:22
KotCzarnyespecially many chans18:22
texelKotCzarny: SB's weren't multichannel.18:22
texelOnly the AWE was, and that was in a strange way. =op18:22
texelMultichannel mixing was always done in hardware.18:23
texelNow the GUS, OTOH... =o)18:23
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* texel would've given her eye-teeth for a GUS back in the days of the XTs.18:23
KotCzarnyand you would have regret it today18:24
KotCzarnyteeth and eyes are important ;)18:24
texelNah. Not really -- my eye-teeth just bite down on the inside of my lips, mostly. =op18:24
KotCzarnyyou would be amazed how much you will miss them18:24
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hltpyldrHello!  I have been looking for a C compiler for the N800 and have not been able to locate one on the maemo website or anywhere on the web.  Surely there must be a C compiler available for the N800.  Could someone please point me in the right direction?  Thanks!18:26
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KotCzarnyhltpyldr: do you need gcc or sdk?18:26
KotCzarnyie. you want to use it on nokia or prefer to just copy binaries from pc?18:27
hltpyldrProbably gcc I believe.  Just for simple C programs that I will be writing in class.18:27
KotCzarnygcc and stuff is available18:27
KotCzarnythough i don't remember exatcly from which repos18:28
KotCzarnyif you don't have to enable them in a special way18:28
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hltpyldrOk, thank you.  I'll look around for gcc then and see if I can locate something.  Thanks!18:29
KotCzarnytry: apt-get install gcc18:29
KotCzarnymaybe it's already available18:29
hltpyldrI have not tried apt-gett'ing with the n800.  I was not sure if I would screw anything up since it's got the ARM processor and all.  Apt-get will work for installing apps (assuming that what I am looking for is in the repo)??18:30
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KotCzarnynope, it's safe18:31
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hltpyldrthat's great!  i'll try it.18:31
KotCzarnyunless you start playing with --force18:31
KotCzarnybut that can break regular debian too18:31
hltpyldrdo I need to be sudo?18:32
texelhltpyldr: you need root, certainly.18:32
KotCzarnyssh could be convenient for that18:33
texelhltpyldr: fortunately, the apt repositories defined for the N800 are also ARM, so you're safe doing an apt-get install, etc.18:33
hltpyldrtexel: that's great to know, thanks!18:34
KotCzarnyanother happy customer, *ding*18:35
KotCzarnythat would be 5E18:35
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KotCzarny5 EUR18:37
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hltpyldrlooks like there are several dependencies and it won't install them.  it suggests that I use apt-get -f ...18:38
KotCzarny-f refreshed package lists, doesn't it?18:38
texelGeneralAntilles: Interesting writeup on that page, btw -- sounds like you make extensive use of the thing. =o)18:38
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texel-f forces an install.18:38
hltpyldrSo -f is different from --force?18:38
texelapt-get update refreshes your package lists.18:39
KotCzarnyah, you're right18:39
GeneralAntillesI encourage anybody interested to add their own story.18:39
KotCzarnyhltpyldr: don't force, satisfy18:39
texelGeneralAntilles: I probably will -- once I head out to Israel for my two week vacation. =o)18:39
hltpyldrI'll try update and upgrade and see if that solves it.18:39
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KotCzarnyand choose a easier nick to type on irc18:40
GeneralAntillesIt's called tab-completion.18:40
KotCzarnyit's called brain laziness18:40
texelTab-completion is brain laziness of the first order. =o)18:40
texelYay! My qemu build finished. =o)18:41
KotCzarnyreminds me of all those automatically generated spam ;)18:41
* texel shrugs18:42
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hltpyldrKotCzarny: texel: Thank you for your help.  I have run apt-get update and upgrade and not all updates were made due to dependency issues.  Still won't install gcc, but when I have more time, I'll install the dependencies.18:44
hltpyldrI need to leave now, but I wanted to thank you for your help!18:44
hltpyldrHave a great day!  I'm psyched that apt-get works!!!  Cheers!18:45
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KotCzarnynow, that was positive ;)18:45
texelThat just gave me a big warm fuzzy feeling inside. =o)18:46
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texelAny chance someone could show me what their /media/mmc2 line looks like in their /etc/fstab at all?18:51
texel(hopefully on an N810, but an N800 would work as well)18:51
* texel thinks she may have goofed up the line somehow18:51
texel...and I need to compare it to the stock /etc/fstab18:51
GeneralAntillesmmc2 isn't mentioned. :\18:52
GeneralAntilles /dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 018:53
KotCzarnytxel: it's mounted from scripts18:53
texelThat works, too. =o)18:53
KotCzarnyga: you don's have noatime18:53
GeneralAntillesIt's stock, Kot.18:53
texelKotCzarny: the scripts just do a simple "sudo mount /mount/mmc#"18:53
KotCzarnyand probably for / neither18:53
texelSo if the fstab is written wrong, they won't mount properly.18:53
texelOr mount at all.18:53
texelGeneralAntilles: thanks. =o)18:53
KotCzarnytexel: i believe it launches mount-mmc script18:53
KotCzarnywhich will detect both cards18:54
KotCzarnyor something18:54
texelOkay, so adding those options made mount /media/mmc2 behave properly.18:56
texelI had a bunch of weird ones in there.18:56
texelLike fmod=0666 and dmod=0000.18:56
KotCzarnyalso adding quiet as mount option is convenient18:56
texelI don't think the kernel understood what those options meant, so mount was failing.18:57
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KotCzarny /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,quiet,utf8)18:57
KotCzarnythose are mine18:58
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KotCzarnysplit again19:09
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KotCzarnyso preliminary fitting is done19:11
KotCzarnyanyone wants to try kcbatt ?19:11
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pupnik  what is kobatt?19:12
KotCzarnyit's a retu-adc.c but upgraded for n80019:13
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texelretu-adc.c? O.o19:14
KotCzarnytells you how much battery charge still left19:14
KotCzarnyin percent19:14
texelWhere does it live?19:14
texelIn the CLI, or as a plugin somewhere?19:14
KotCzarnyright now in cli19:15
KotCzarnybecause i needed algorithm working first19:15
* texel nods19:15
texelMakes sense.19:15
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GeneralAntillesI'm assuming more is coming? We've already got percentage:
texelIs it packaged up, or just a raw binary?19:15
KotCzarnyraw binary19:15
texelHoly crap, where did all that come from? =o)19:16
KotCzarnyga: where's the source?19:16
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KotCzarnyNote: Because battery-status relies on DBus signaling, running it has the unfortunate side effect of activating the battery applet. I will try to find a workaround for this.19:16
KotCzarnymine uses raw access to /dev/retu19:16
KotCzarnyso, who has n8x0 and wants to test my algorithm?19:17
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KotCzarnyand when i finish my rundown tests i will add times as well19:20
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KotCzarnyanyway, here it is:
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KotCzarnyplease let me know how well it works19:28
KotCzarnyalgo is v0.1 :)19:28
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texelInteresting output.19:29
texelWhile charging, I get:19:29
texelretu-adc #8: -1 n800: -148%19:30
KotCzarnyon n800 ?19:30
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texelAnd with the charger disconnected.19:31
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KotCzarnywhich nokia do you have?19:32
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texelMind you, according to DBUS, I have a full charge.19:34
texelThis is on an N810.19:34
texelWell, you asked for an n8x0, so I figured that applied equally to the N810. =op19:34
texelI'm afraid I don't have an N800 to test with.19:34
texelN810 here.19:34
KotCzarnyah that will explain19:34
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KotCzarny770 used another retu field19:34
ac7ssis there a shell command that will return the battery charge (N810)19:35
KotCzarnyac7ss: i'm working on it19:35
KotCzarnytexel: wanna show me your adc?19:35
texelErm... how? =op19:35
texelac7ss: one that currently works (though with a rather annoying bug) is at
KotCzarnytexel: same dir19:37
ac7ssoooh, just what I was looking for. (I see a few I wanted to write)19:37
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KotCzarnyerm. wait19:38
KotCzarnyahm, ok, go on19:38
KotCzarnyfixed one bug :)19:39
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texelWell, I'm afraid I can't stick around any longer.19:40
texelI have to get into work.19:40
KotCzarnylet me know when you get back19:40
KotCzarnymy guess fix is as simple as selecting another field19:40
* texel nods19:42
texelOkay, out~!19:42
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KotCzarnyssvb :)19:46
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ssvbhi KotCzarny :)19:47
KotCzarnywhich nokia do you have?19:47
febb Hello !19:47
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* febb Looking for someone who has a Nokia 770 and can transfer a file from the Operating system (video: Discovery.avi) to me trough IRC.19:48
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ac7ssI can't install the repository from nitapps. :( I want GPS-Time.19:49
ssvbKotCzarny: 770 and N800, I also have still unused N810 developer's device program discount code :)19:49
KotCzarnyssvd: can you help me testing my program on n770/n800 ?19:50
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febbssvb: Do you have a 770 on hand now?19:51
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jaska_ooh almost 10h uptime and no reboot19:52
ssvbfebb: yes19:52
febbssvb: Do you still have on your 770 the demo video from Discovery channel "Discovery.avi" ?19:53
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ssvbfebb: unfortunately I deleted it to save space19:53
febbssvb : well, thx anyway :)       Hope someone still has it available on their 770.19:54
Juhazyou could always dig it from the firmware image.19:55
febbJuhaz: yeah, that is my last resort... Gotta find out how the firmware image is "built"..and then get into it...19:56
ssvbKotCzarny: Can't promise anything, I'm quite short of spare time lately19:56
KotCzarnyssvb: simple download, run and paste results to me19:56
Juhazfebb, there's a flasher option. --unpack, -u  Unpack a FIASCO image19:57
henriquehi, anyone knows where microb store the list of sites opened?19:58
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febbJuhaz:  that's good news. I suppose it unpacks the image into to the local pc disk...19:58
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ssvbKotCzarny: ok, I can try this in about an hour19:58
KotCzarnygreat, thx :)19:59
Juhazfebb, yep19:59
febbJuhaz:  thx!19:59
febblet me look at it right now.19:59
ssvbnow I need to go offline, see you later19:59
febbJuhaz: that is with flasher 3.0, right?19:59
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Juhazany version, probably.19:59
febbok, let me check.20:00
febbdownloading the image now.....20:02
febbthe flasher's -u option does not work on the "regular" firmware image.  Getting the FIASCO one now.20:03
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GeneralAntillesfebb, they're all FIASCO.20:08
GeneralAntilles./flasher-3.0 -F <image> -u20:08
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KotCzarnyquite unfortunate name for a product20:09
GeneralAntillesIt's not a "product".20:09
KotCzarnypart of the product20:09
KotCzarnyis a product too20:09
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febbGeneralAntilles:  mmmm wierd, let me double check why that -u option did not work then.....20:10
inzfebb, did you give both -u and -F?20:11
febbyep.... and the flasher has +x permissions.... ..20:11
febbah !  got it, it downloads with an extra "," (comma) at the end.20:12
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febbok, worked... now I suppose I got to mount that root image... on a loop device....    correct?20:13
DrgesKotCzarny, pfft20:13
KotCzarnydrges: ?20:13
Juhaz it's not even part of a product. it's temporary storage for a part, like styrofoam packing.20:14
DrgesIt's a fucking image format, not a product.20:14
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Drgess/format/compression method/20:14
infobotDrges meant: It's a fucking image compression method, not a product.20:14
KotCzarnyyes, and you buy your products in shops without containers20:14
GeneralAntillesIt never stops.20:15
GeneralAntillesHe can't turn off.20:15
DrgesKotCzarny, I buy my gumballs out of gumball machines20:15
KotCzarnygumball machine is a packaging too20:15
DrgesThe machine is as much of the product as the air around it20:16
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KotCzarnybut one you cannot take20:16
Drgesand the light that hits it20:16
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KotCzarnymarketing is a part of the product20:16
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Drgesand the delivery truck, the men who delivered it, the paycheck that they recieve20:16
Drgesfrom the profits that the corporations get20:16
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Drgesfrom the money we pay them20:17
KotCzarnydrges: yes20:17
Drgesfrom the work we do20:17
DrgesThe point being, why does it fucking matter?20:17
DrgesEVERYTHING is part of the product.20:17
KotCzarnyotherwise it won't be a product20:17
DrgesQuite the tangent there20:18
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DrgesGNUton, Hi20:19
GNUtonhey Drges!20:20
DrgesOh yeah, I remembered what i was going to say20:20
GNUtonamnesia! :P20:21
DrgesKotCzarny, quit being such a pussy, you tried to cover yourself by slightly modifying your incorrect statement into a statement that's impossible be wrong.  Admit your fagness and get it over with.  There are many people sick of your attitude.20:22
KotCzarnyso what?20:22
KotCzarnyyou have attitude too20:22
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KotCzarnyyou don't like me? /ignore to the rescue20:22
DrgesKotCzarny, all of it is directed towards you, your attitude is towards everyone in the room20:23
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henriquewell, the browser history seems to be stored at ~/.opera/global.dat -- anyone knows how is this file structured?20:23
KotCzarnydrges: i'm not a problem, i can be wrong, but i don't call other people names just because i don't like their attitude20:24
KotCzarnythat's childish20:24
DrgesKotCzarny, no, you're more of an asshole about it20:25
KotCzarnyyou did it again20:25
DrgesAt least I have the balls to be direct.20:25
Juhazwhy don't you take your pissing match to /msg so everyone else doesn't have to use ignore?20:25
KotCzarnyit's not the balls20:25
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KotCzarnyit's just childish 'calling names'20:25
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DrgesKotCzarny, and you're not doing the same with me at this moment?20:25
KotCzarnyjuhaz: it's them that have problem20:25
KotCzarnydrges: nope, i'm just defending myself :)20:26
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Drgeshenrique, it's a tree structure20:28
Drgessaved as plaintext20:28
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Drgesat least it should be20:28
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henriqueDregs, why do you think so?20:34
GeneralAntillesYeah, Dregs! What the hell?!20:35
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Drgeshenrique, think what?20:35
henriqueDregs, that it should be a tree structure?20:36
Mouseyflap flap20:36
henriqueDregs, and do you have some link about this?20:36
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yabbasright ... I'm editing the control file to build a deb.  In the "Build-Depends" section - do I list JUST the build dependencies required to compile?  Or should I list packages that are also required to use the application?20:38
KotCzarnyyabbas: runtime20:38
yabbasty KotCzarny20:38
KotCzarnyunless you make a source-deb package20:38
KotCzarnyah, sorry20:38
KotCzarnyyou're right20:39
yabbashmm, hokay.20:39
KotCzarnyin depends is runtime20:39
yabbasso despite the port needing imagemagik I shouldn't list it there as the compilation didn't need it?20:39
briand"ah, sorry"  "you're right"  ...I think you're qualified to enter into a relationship with women, now.  You've unlocked the secret.  ;)20:39
KotCzarnybriand: nope, i'm very stubborn20:40
briandyes, but you've learned the two magic phrases!20:40
KotCzarnyi'm i know i'm right :)20:40
KotCzarnybriand: which nokia do you have?20:41
briandi've got the _right_ one!  ;)20:41
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briandumm.. the n80020:41
yabbas*repeat*:  so despite the port needing imagemagik I shouldn't list it there as the compilation didn't need it?  ;)20:41
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* lcuk is knackered20:41
* lcuk calls for a medic20:41
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KotCzarnybriand: can you help me testing my batt util?20:42
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* GeneralAntilles hits the wrong button and shivs lcuk instead.20:42
briandif (knackered == medicated) { print "no you don't!";20:42
oniongot 4 more frames with vfp, not too bad20:42
lcukknackered == an hour of mario vs sonic at the olypmics20:42
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briandKotCzarny: batt util?20:43
KotCzarnyto print remaining charge20:43
KotCzarnyfrom command line :)20:43
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briandtwo questions, well, three now...20:43
briand1) do you have an n800, or another device20:43
briand2) has it been bricked?20:44
briand3) where's the GUI ??20:44
KotCzarnygui has batt status already20:44
KotCzarnyi need one that i can run in scripts20:44
KotCzarnythat's the reason :)20:44
briandsh or pl?20:44
briand(or both?)20:44
KotCzarnycan be done in pl i guess20:44
briandc would be source, not script20:44
KotCzarnybut i don't want to depend on perl20:45
lcukwhy use a command line tool when its simple to do it yourself, just use command line util to take a screenshot, send it to an online printer, get them to fax the results back put it on a wooden table, take a picture and finally ocr it20:45
KotCzarnybatt=`kcbatt -q`;20:45
Drgeshenrique, it was off of an old opera doc20:45
lcukbattery status == simple ;)20:45
brianddepend on?  nah... just make an optional perl module that will _also_ use the app to get results.  :)20:45
briandsee?  I just doubled your software output, and you didn't need to do anything.20:46
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Drgeshenrique, I don't know about the tree, but it's ASCII title, ASCII URL, and then ASCII Date/Time20:46
KotCzarnyanyway, can you try it?20:46
henriqueDregs, I need to parse that file and get the list of sites accessed20:46
briandsure, why not (and why me?)20:46
henriqueDregs, right! this is what I think too, but what about the last data (most of time being "-1") ?20:47
Drgeshenrique, the date/time in unix time format20:47
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briandoh, how boring.. a 'standard' dyndns addy?   didn't like the domain?  ;)20:47
Drges-1 is when you've closed the browser20:47
DrgesI believe20:48
KotCzarnybriand: that was first i go20:48
KotCzarnyand my d-link only supoorted dyndns20:48
briandyes, but dyndns allows you to pick a domain other than dyndns...20:48
KotCzarnyand later i was too lazy to change dyndns provider :)20:48
Drgeshenrique, not "when" you've closed it, but the point in the history list where you did20:48
* briand is
KotCzarnybut is shorter20:48
KotCzarnyand easier to remember20:48
briandwell, not me... but my mythtv box20:49
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briandanyway.. ftp?  http?  what protocol are you running on port 23280 ?20:49
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briand  then...20:50
henriqueDregs, what does "point" means?20:50
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Drgeshenrique, I don't know.  It just writes a -1 whenever you close the browser20:50
KotCzarnyi have added 770 mode20:50
KotCzarnyand i will add 810 when i get someone to report adc values20:51
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Drgeshenrique, there's no real significance unless you want a quick way to sort the history by days20:51
DrgesI suppose20:51
Drgess/days/when you've closed it/20:51
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briandKotCzarny: is there no call to determine the maximum number of values in the ioctl?  ...would probably be better than assuming there were only 15, no?  (debug routine)20:54
lcukKotCzarny, i just found a site offering a battery status console app (here : )20:54
henriqueDregs, yeah, thanks for the infos :)20:54
KotCzarnydebug is for debug20:54
KotCzarnylcuk: does it run from cmd line?20:54
KotCzarnydoes it NOT depend on dbus?20:54
lcukThis is a simple command-line tool to display the remaining battery charge of a tablet.20:54
lcuk[user@nokia ~]$ battery-status20:54
lcuk[Dec 29 22:57] 97.6%20:54
lcukno, this is dbus20:54
KotCzarnyyes, thanks20:54
lcukahhhh: Because battery-status relies on DBus signaling, running it has the unfortunate side effect of activating the battery applet.20:54
lcukare you getting it by scraping the metal?20:55
KotCzarnyioctl on /dev/retu20:55
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lcuknot that there is any harm in that20:55
lcuk:) cool20:55
KotCzarnyi would welcome ane feedback20:56
KotCzarnyhow well it runs on different nokias20:56
KotCzarnyapparently n810 uses tother field than n80020:56
KotCzarnyi can provide a script to run retu-adc logging over time20:57
briandwhat happens on the 810, then?  provides no result?20:58
KotCzarnywrong result20:59
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KotCzarnybecause it checks wrong field20:59
KotCzarnyon 770 it's #2, on 800 it's #820:59
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KotCzarnyfor 810 i have to get debug from someone :)20:59
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briandtalk to the general -- he's got 2 of each21:00
KotCzarnyhe doesn't like me :)21:00
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briandI am *not*!!!21:02
briandmy eyes are always this color.21:02
ertwrocI have problem with n770. When I turn it on the screen is white with vertical gray lines. Any help?21:03
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KotCzarnyhave you been hacking it?21:04
KotCzarnyor is it hardware problem?21:04
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KotCzarnyssvb :)21:04
ertwrocno, but last days it has some resets21:05
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ssvbKotCzarny: I'm back21:05
KotCzarnyssvb: great, can you help me testing it then? :)21:05
inzertwroc, that is a problem many users have run into21:05
ssvbKotCzarny: sure, what needs to be done?21:05
ertwrocinz: is any way to fix it?21:05
lcukertwroc, unfortunately the 770 might have fallen victim to WSOD21:05
KotCzarnyi need you to run my app and report how well it runs21:06
inzertwroc, afaik the only way to fix it is to change the display21:06
ertwrocinz: :/21:06
inzertwroc, if your warranty has run out, the cheapest way is probably to buy new one21:06
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briandgood excuse to upgrade to the n800, actually21:07
ertwrocinz: thanks for help21:07
lcukertwroc, do a google search for wsod n770 and see whether your fault matches21:09
briandis there an accepted/approved method of removing the maemo development environment (for nearly immediate re-installation of same), or is `rm -rf` within /scratchbox sufficient?21:13
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febbre hi Juhaz.21:14
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KotCzarnyssvb: please join #kotc21:17
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GeneralAntillesbriand, try / instead . . . just to be sure. :P21:20
briandumm.. i think not, but thanks.21:21
KotCzarnyga at it's finest21:21
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briandKotCzarny: perhaps, but he did, at least, provide an answer21:24
KotCzarnyhe was commenting on mine answers too21:24
dragornbriand: make sure you shutdown the sb environment, there should be an init script to do so21:24
dragornbriand: before rm -r'ing it, or else things will get all sorts of sad with the recursive bind-mounting it does21:25
dragornor if not init script, a script inside sb that shuts it down21:25
dragorni forget21:25
dragornor just reboot and don't log into sb before rm'ing it, if you're willing to reboot21:25
briand'k... thanks.  was just wondering if there was stuff outside of the /scratchbox area.  i've already shut down the sb env21:26
lcukquickest way to reinstall scratchbox for me is to re-extract the vmware image ;)21:26
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brianddragorn: are you, by chance, the same dragorn that at one time created alternative .ko sources for the orinoco wireless card?21:27
briandcool. nice to meet ya.21:27
dragornand if theres a better way to remove sb than shutdown and rm -r, I don't know it21:27
dragornthat was a horrible misadventure, that freaking orinoco stuff.  I gave up, eventually.21:28
briandwon't compile on my FC8 box, under kernel.21:28
dragorndoesn't surprise me in the least21:28
dragorneverything the kernel is totally different now21:29
briand:nod: and it looks like those that took it up followed through until about 2.6.21 .. perhaps I'll just wait a bit.21:29
dragornhonestly I don't even know where my orinoco is21:29
febbhi... anyone knows how to solve a "can't read superblock" error when unpacking a 770 firmware image and mounting the rootfs on a loop device. ?21:29
febbany hint is appreciated..  thx.21:30
briandi know where mine is... but i was hoping to do some kismet with it.. perhaps another time.  not a pressing issue, to be sure21:30
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dragornbriand: I'm much more interested in the mac80211 softmac layer21:30
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dragornstill trying to fix the kismet startup reliability issues on the nokia before doing a package, it's working maybe three in every five launches21:31
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briand...which may be what's preventing the compile here...21:31
brianddragorn: cool.  :)21:31
ynezzdragorn: hm, here it runs fine21:32
briandI fixed up the includes to point to the correct headers (linux/autoconf.h instead of linux/config.h, etc) .. but now it complains during compilet that 'mac' is not a member of sk_buff21:32
dragornynezz: sometimes it does.  every time I think it's nailed down to running properly, the next time I fire things up it craps the bed and the NIC drops dead a few seconds in21:32
briandbut, again, not an urgent thing here... let me get the maemo env re-installed on my other machine..21:33
brianddragorn: thanks, again, for your help.  :)21:33
ynezzdragorn: I just manually do ifconfig/ifconfig before and after running kismet21:33
dragornand the only way I've found to get it even slightly consistent is to nuke wlancond and the power control, which means you have to reboot after running or else your battery tanks21:33
dragornynezz: yeah, that's all kismet does internally.  Isn't reliable on any device I've got.21:33
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dragornynezz: all it's doing is issuing the ioctls to set the interface mode, same as iwconfig and ifconfig21:34
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dragornynezz: but either powersave or wlancond likes to take away the interface at some point and then it just stops getting packets w/ no error condition21:34
briandeasy enough to test, isn't it?  you can turn the wlan polling to 'never'21:35
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briand...and, likewise, crank up the powersave timeout21:35
dragornbriand: yeah, doesn't help.  Effectively the same as killing wlancond21:35
dragornpowersave is relatively undocumented, and snapshotting the iw power state and restoring it, doesn't restore it21:35
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dragornwhich will kill a fully charged device in about 2 hours, idle21:36
dragornso theres some non-iw power control going on in there, too21:36
briand...or, maybe it's just cranked up to 100 mW the whole time?21:36
dragornkilling wlancond is a sledgehammer approach, but prevents the whole reconnection/some other app trying to take over wireless21:37
dragornshouldn't matter if it is, if it isn't sending any data21:37
dragornwhatever kills it doesn't change mode, it just stops getting packets anymore.  Amusingly, this is exactly the same problem with the new orinoco drivers, but totally unrelated21:38
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briandit's a self-inflicted DoS attack!   ;)21:39
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ynezzdragorn: how long does it take when kismet stops receiving packets? I tried to run/stop it three times and it still works21:45
dragorn2-5 minutes21:46
dragornor just use tcpdump21:46
dragornsame problem there21:46
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ynezzhm strange, I was running airmon-ng for about 6 hours and no problem21:47
smackpotatois therfe any way to view bloomberg video21:49
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pupnikis there some magic to save a snapshot of a running program to flash and then resume it later?21:50
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dragornynezz: when it works, it works.  Problem is, it doesn't all the time.21:50
dragornpupnik: not that I know of21:50
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pupnik"Application State-saving and Auto-save"
scriptpupnik: sure, there are some magic process freezers for linux21:52
scripttake e.g.21:53
pupnikty script21:53
scriptbut this is _serious_ stuff ;)21:53
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pupnikyeah script ... i'd like saving state for dosbox...21:55
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dragornyeah I was going to say there is some freeze/restore stuff, but nothing commoditized21:57
dragorni'd say you'd need to patch dosbox then to freeze emulation state21:57
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dragornsaner than trying to freeze linux state21:57
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scriptyeah .. i just succesfully freezed "top" (on x86 though)21:58
scriptand replicated it a few times ... ;)21:58
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scriptwell .. freezing dosbox.bin didn't succeed ..21:59
pupnikhow about minimizing the window before freezing?21:59
scriptX-programs seem to have problems22:00
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pH5pupnik: fmopl.c compiles for the dsp with minimal changes.22:09
pH5Setting up a dsptask shouldn't be too hard, I guess.22:09
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pupnikpH5 maybe there's a minimal adlib player program that can be used to do the development22:10
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pupnikthen integration into scummvm, freesci, dosbox, exult, etc can be done by others22:11
pH5pupnik: yes, right now I'm trying to modify libadplug + adplay22:11
pupnikway cool22:11
jaska_heh, exult, original u7 was lower res than the tablet display :)22:14
GeneralAntillesLots of old games are lower res than the tablet display. :P22:14
GeneralAntillesHeck, the Nintendo 64 is lower resolution than the tablet display. :P22:15
yabbasIs there anyway I can sneak a few files into dpkg-buildpackage, say maemo icons, etc that aren't part fo the build process?22:15
yabbasExcellent, that answers the first part of the question.  Now how would I go about doing that? :)22:16
KotCzarnylet me look at examples :)22:17
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KotCzarnyi guess apt-get source busybox will answer your question22:18
KotCzarnyand looking in debian/22:19
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KotCzarnyin debian/rules there is:22:20
KotCzarnybinary-arch: install22:20
KotCzarny        install debian/local/tempfile debian/busybox/bin/22:20
KotCzarnywhich probably adds debian/local/tempfile to package22:21
KotCzarnybut that's my guess22:21
KotCzarnyi'm a slackware man anyway :)22:21
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* hoopy cut his linux teeth on slackware22:25
hoopydoes slackware have a package management system yet?22:25
KotCzarnyit always had22:25
hoopywell it doesn't deal with dependencies does it?22:27
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hoopyi wouldn't really call what it has a package management system22:31
hoopyit's really just a bunch of app archives22:31
KotCzarnyyes, but it never failed on me22:32
KotCzarnysimple and effective22:32
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EvilGuruCan anyone explain user management to me? Am I correct in assuming that the default user has no password and is functionality equiv to root?22:50
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EvilGuruKotCzarny: How does it work?22:52
||cwEvilGuru: sudo is used heavily22:53
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EvilGuruI have installed some apps etc, but never been asked for a password22:53
Juhazthe application installer is suid22:54
EvilGuruI was expecting when I configured it to be asked for a password, but can not remember choosing none22:54
Juhazor sudoed without password22:54
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yabbasright I give up :(22:55
EvilGuruOn user/personal info, I do not recall entering my name, how does it know it/22:55
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* yabbas can't for the life of him package things up easily :( :(22:56
pupnikyabbas: ar x *.deb to extract files from a .deb archive and ar q *.deb file1 file2 to add files to a .deb archive22:57
yabbason top of it all - I can't seem to install tetex-bin on the N810 through apt-get; yet it installs fine under scratchbox22:57
leif__hey konttori, have you seen how we did icons in the 2008 LCARS themes? Turns out they are themeable after all!22:57
yabbaspupnik, thanks for that, I'll try once more.   _ideally_ I wanted to learn how to tweak the makefiles to add it using dh_make/dpkg-buildpackage22:58
pupnikyeah well if you ever write a howto on that let me know22:59
leif__just set gtk-icon-theme-name = "foo" in the gtkrc, and icons in /usr/share/icons/foo will override the hicolor set22:59
yabbaspupnik, "lol"22:59
yabbasso it's not just me then22:59
pupniki'm just too stupid and tired to absorb all that info, but i can remember "ar x" and "ar q"23:00
inzpupnik, the files inside a .deb "ar" archive should be data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz, so adding files is not quite that easy23:04
pupniki already knew 'tar'23:05
inzpupnink, sure, but "adding files" to a .deb archive isn't quite as simple as using ar23:06
inzpupnik, well, sure ar q does add files to the archive, but they're not installed when the package is installed23:07
pupnikok thanks for the correction - lazy typing here23:08
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zetherooI have successfully paired my bluetooth headset on my N800 ... but now what?23:10
zetheroocan I skype with it?23:11
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zetherooseems that its pretty useless....!?23:11
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GeneralAntillesYou use it as a headset.23:12
GeneralAntillesWhatever situation you might find a headset useful in, that's where you use it. . . .23:13
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lcukpupnik - im havin a great time reading "the unix haters handbook" at the moment, im finding all sorts of things relivant to my experiences with linux and maemo.  might be worth a read yourself (and others)   its pdf and free
zetherooGeneralAntilles: well I would find it useful if any of the programs ont he device could actually utilize it23:18
zetheroolike Skype23:18
zetherooor the media player23:19
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GeneralAntillesUh, they can. . . .23:19
lcukdoes mediaplayer not send data to the headset?23:19
lcuki dunno about skype because i gave up when i had no video23:19
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zetherooGeneralAntilles: how?23:20
derfWhy does that book look like just a lot of propaganda?23:20
lcukbecause it probably is - but its not meant to be serious - if you get as far as the foreward i think the guy says it started way before he got to MS23:21
KotCzarnyderf: don't take it seriously :)23:21
derfOkay, good.23:21
lcukbut, im actually learning lots about the system - essentially seeing what not to do23:21
KotCzarnythere are valid points in it23:21
derfBecause I don't think Microsoft gets to complain about security or file system corruption.23:22
derflcuk: I got as far as the table of contents.23:22
GeneralAntilleszetheroo, it just works here.23:22
lcukno, im learning about how unprotected the command line is - and understanding why its right to be though23:22
jaska_unix sucks, unfortunately everything ive come across sucks more :)23:23
||cwall software sucks23:23
zetherooGeneralAntilles: do you have to switch sound devices anywhere?23:23
KotCzarnyfor lazy people like me software is usefull23:23
derfI'm amused they think that a movie and popcorn can be had for $10.23:23
lcuki still havent attempted to delete anything from the command line yet23:23
KotCzarnylcuk: get mc23:24
||cwsomething can suck and still be more useful than doing without23:24
lcukwhen i need to do major pruning and reorganising i use the windows scp client :$23:24
KotCzarnylcuk: have you ever used/liked nc/total commander ?23:24
lcuki feel safer and understand the gui better than i ever will the cmd line23:24
||cwderf: maybe if you rent one and get microwave popcorn23:24
lcukif i remember its a dual pane view - like directory opus was on the amiga23:24
KotCzarnyinvaluable tool23:25
derf||cw: Maybe, though probably not for much longer.23:25
lcuki adored dopus but nowadays prefer the c&p tree - i can open as many trees as i want and arrange them how i need - sometimes its side by side - others its just overlapped23:25
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lcuki know this is wrong channel, but increasing the memory clock from DDR333 to DDR400 (the memory/mobo supports it, its been underclocked all this time) will have quite a large effect won't it?23:29
KotCzarnyabout 20%23:30
lcukgood enough - its the missuses machine ive just overhauled it after her sims started crashing and noticed it was under  :) that will earn me brownie points23:30
KotCzarnybut do a burn-in test to be sure23:30
KotCzarnymemtest86 is a nice test23:31
lcuki know the mem can handle it - i bought it all at same time and somewhere along the way the bios has clocked itself back down because when i had it up here it was at fullspd23:31
lcukno need - sims is a bigger test23:32