| KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org ? | 00:00 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 00:00 |
| texel | I figured I'd ask since it was just being discussed. =op | 00:00 |
| * texel looks | 00:00 | |
| KotCzarny | the best fix is to just kill off that evil spawn | 00:00 |
| aquatix | and replace with? | 00:01 |
| lcuk | a mouldy kipper would be better | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | doesn't need to be replaced | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | maybe ls -lR ? | 00:01 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:01 |
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| Fang64 | lol | 00:01 |
| aquatix | hm, it now takes care of finding media files? | 00:02 |
| texel | So while I /have/ removed the link in /etc/rc2.d for it, I'd like to see about assisting in solving this bug. | 00:02 |
| KotCzarny | something like that | 00:02 |
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| KotCzarny | texel: ls -R + extract metadata ONLY on open ? | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | (and remember it) | 00:03 |
| aquatix | KotCzarny: does mediaplayer work without it? | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 00:03 |
| aquatix | eh, k | 00:03 |
| aquatix | so why does it run then? :D | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | for your convenience | 00:03 |
| texel | KotCzarny: How does that fix the bug? O.o | 00:03 |
| KotCzarny | texel: no rescans ? | 00:04 |
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| aquatix | hm, mediaplayer-daemon and metalayer-crawler | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | mediaplayer-daemon is required | 00:05 |
| aquatix | that's for background music and such? | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | not only music | 00:05 |
| KotCzarny | videos too | 00:05 |
| aquatix | but why daemon :/ | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | because. | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | if you use mplayer you can kill it off too | 00:06 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 00:06 |
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| * aquatix moves metalayer-crawler link out of the way | 00:07 | |
| KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1474#c6 | 00:08 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 00:08 |
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| pupnik | anybody here ever got esd or alsa OSS emulation to work? :/ | 00:27 |
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| spirytusick | pupnik: tried few times, good ol' friend mr segfault each time | 00:31 |
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| pupnik | greets spirytusick | 00:39 |
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| spirytusick | hey pupnik :) | 00:40 |
| KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1842 | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | priority: LOW | 00:42 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:42 |
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| spirytusick | KotCzarny: I disable it :) | 00:44 |
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| spirytusick | KotCzarny: but it is annoying :) | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | me too | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | it's just buggy | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:45 |
| spirytusick | i to strasznie :) | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 00:45 |
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| spirytusick | ok guys :) good night to you all. time to catch some sleep before work tommorow :) | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | tja, tak sie zastanawialem czy to angielskie czy nie do konca | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 00:45 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: fusion :) | 00:45 |
| spirytusick | KotCzarny: dobranocka :) | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | noc noc | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:46 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: you need some sleep also :) | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | ja posiedze | 00:46 |
| spirytusick | trzym sie KocieCzarny :) | 00:46 |
| aquatix | any idea why some maemo-launchers are taking a lot of memory? | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:46 |
| spirytusick | good night guys | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | because they're buggy too? | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:46 |
| aquatix | spirytusick: nn | 00:47 |
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| johnx | aquatix, you looking at them with top? | 00:51 |
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| aquatix | johnx: yeah | 00:52 |
| johnx | I heard someone say that top doesn't take into account shared memory | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | busybox's version | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | that is | 00:52 |
| aquatix | i guess it has something to do with the programs they launch i guess | 00:52 |
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| lcuk | does anyone have a list of standard processes that can be killed without rebooting device and perhaps a script to run when we want to do this? | 00:57 |
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| KotCzarny | not yet | 00:58 |
| lcuk | i think i might just look into it. | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | but you can always turn off watchdog | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | and it won't reboot then | 00:58 |
| lcuk | just produce something from ps and play with disabling certain apps | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | (by itself) | 00:58 |
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| lcuk | no, never want that gone - it does serve a purpose | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | procps compiles ok | 00:59 |
| pupnik | does the LCD controller do dithering? | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | now that's the top i'm used to | 01:00 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: probably not | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | but it's 16bit | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | 1039 user 15 -1 122m 26m 12m S 2.9 21.1 71:13.21 maemo-launcher | 01:00 |
| pupnik | mplayer -vf noise=3 << on the sample video you can try adding noise - mplayer can handle it (almost) | 01:00 |
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| pupnik | at about noise=5 i start to notive it consciously | 01:02 |
| pupnik | notice | 01:02 |
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| lcuk | any idea if i it sounds reasonable to optimize a function so much that the cpu slows itself down because it thinks it is going fast enough. or is it just my crappy optimizations actually doing more work... | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | ? | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | nousuk | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | if it slows down, then it's not an optimization | 01:04 |
| lcuk | ive got a function (drawglyph) which is called once for every glyph on my book reader. i have a sloppy byte oriented method and a faster int32 oriented version | 01:04 |
| KotCzarny | buffer writes | 01:05 |
| lcuk | with the older version i pull 27fps at fullscreen | 01:05 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:05 |
| lcuk | now i am exclusively working in longs and doing more work with int32 *s and shifts it is going slower (5fps) | 01:05 |
| lcuk | you sure its buffer? (i had to finish what i was typing) | 01:06 |
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| KotCzarny | no no | 01:06 |
| KotCzarny | i meant buffer many writes into one | 01:06 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:06 |
| lcuk | i do as much as possible | 01:06 |
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| lcuk | the only physical way i could write more memory in one go is to move to assembler and start using the SIMD ops | 01:08 |
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| KotCzarny | that would be cool | 01:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | but i feel the slowdown is my code - i shall investigate further | 01:09 |
| pupnik | lcuk: you saw ssvb's assembler memcpy samples? | 01:09 |
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| lcuk | no but i know what they will be like based upon what i am looking at here | 01:10 |
| lcuk | i will be implimenting something soon - there isn't anything left to optimise in c | 01:10 |
| lcuk | my font glyphs are int32 oriented, limited to 4 pixels width, but its barely noticable and for the speed boost i think its worth it | 01:11 |
| lcuk | (it took me from 10fps full screen to 20 - the rest has been refinement until now i am at 27 | 01:11 |
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| pupnik | nice | 01:12 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 01:12 |
| pupnik | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-March/009133.html some info you might know about - or not | 01:12 |
| derf | lcuk: Have gcc dumpt the asm for the two methods. | 01:12 |
| derf | It usually becomes quite apparent why one is faster than the other. | 01:12 |
| derf | *dump | 01:13 |
| lcuk | thx derf ill take a look | 01:13 |
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| * lcuk hasnt read arm assembler yet, but took the manual to the bog last night | 01:13 | |
| derf | _Reading_ asm is pretty easy... someone else has taken care of ensuring that all of the quirks and pre-requisites and restrictions of the instructions are satisfied. | 01:15 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:15 |
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| darx1 | Is there any other usable distros for nokia n800? | 01:16 |
| KotCzarny | 'are' | 01:16 |
| johnx | there is be angstrom and debian | 01:17 |
| johnx | neither work completely | 01:17 |
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| johnx | also, mamona | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poky | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorta | 01:18 |
| johnx | all of them are "sorta" | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | holy shit, thats shocking | 01:19 |
| lcuk | it only uses 3 registers for the function and appears to pluck data off the stack as required :'( (in 68k i would use my regs well and fit inside my 256byte cache) gawd, this system looks more and more like an amiga every day ;) | 01:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:22 |
| KotCzarny | what would you expect, it's NOT x86 | 01:22 |
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| fysa | amiga! | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | nearly dead :/ | 01:23 |
| KotCzarny | money killed it | 01:23 |
| * fysa faints | 01:23 | |
| lcuk | yer, but the compiler ouput is optimised for a stack system rather than a register system | 01:23 |
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| pupnik | fysa: are you interested in working on UAE? | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:24 |
| lcuk | which makes me ponder if gcc can be extended | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: probably | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | probably it's in the options already | 01:24 |
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| KotCzarny | man page is big | 01:24 |
| fysa | what's the status? | 01:24 |
| KotCzarny | fysa: works, but unoptimized | 01:24 |
| fysa | needs scaling routines? | 01:24 |
| fysa | and better hildonization/ | 01:25 |
| Navi | KotCzarny, http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF099-Grammar_Wizard.gif | 01:25 |
| KotCzarny | navi: so what? | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | i'm a cat, not a wizard | 01:26 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:26 |
| fysa | does it use xv? | 01:26 |
| fysa | so we can take advantage of the upcoming xv hw-scaling update? | 01:26 |
| * KotCzarny didn't looked at the code | 01:27 | |
| KotCzarny | yet | 01:27 |
| fysa | I'm pretty sure it's SD. | 01:27 |
| fysa | SDL. | 01:27 |
| lcuk | fysa, the current xv doesn't have rgb support does it? i noticed in a test program theres only 4 supported modes | 01:28 |
| fysa | hmm | 01:29 |
| Tama^2 | pupnik: the answer to my question, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-March/009202.html | 01:30 |
| Tama^2 | :) | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | steal the converter from mplayer? | 01:30 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:30 |
| Tama^2 | "Screen updates are asynchronous and | 01:30 |
| Tama^2 | are performed simultaneously with CPU doing some other useful things at | 01:30 |
| Tama^2 | the same time." | 01:30 |
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| fysa | hmm. | 01:32 |
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| pupnik | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/ lcuk and Tama^2 you should also stufy Simon's work | 01:33 |
| fysa | UAE uses SDL so it doesn't really matter I suppose :) | 01:33 |
| pupnik | yes fysa.. the speed could be increased greatly on UAE - first through ASM-optimized 68k core and second through video update optimization. But right now with ~10-15 fps the video is not so crucial | 01:34 |
| KotCzarny | 25fps makes it playable | 01:35 |
| pupnik | that is doable | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | that would be great | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:35 |
| KotCzarny | use superfrog as a testcase :> | 01:36 |
| lcuk | i dont think you can get enough data tothe lcd for a full 16bit rgb full screen. you can however get the lesser 12bit yuv formats down. ( <<reasonable? or wrong? ) | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | reasonable | 01:36 |
| lcuk | for 25fps | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | amiga was played on tvs anyway | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | so a little fuzz is acceptable | 01:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:36 |
| pupnik | lcuk - amiga does not require/use 800x480 full-screen | 01:37 |
| johnx | so lcuk, you're pushing 12bit updates now or 16bits? | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | speed is more important | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: imagine playing full screen | 01:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 01:37 |
| lcuk | im pushing a 12bit YUV image - a whole plane of 800*480 bytes of grey data followed by two planes 400*240 for color information | 01:37 |
| lcuk | but that is with xv, and it manages it smooth as silk | 01:38 |
| lcuk | when i try the same with sdl it waves at me - its awful | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 01:38 |
| KotCzarny | you know what would be cool? | 01:38 |
| lcuk | i would like to use rgb data but with the xv interface | 01:38 |
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| KotCzarny | scaling leaves some space | 01:39 |
| KotCzarny | using that space for controls | 01:39 |
| lcuk | yes, even lowering to 640*480 increases rendered frames up over 30. plenty of time for work and still have 25fps | 01:39 |
| lcuk | xv does autoscaling tho - if i ask for 200*480 it will still fill the screen | 01:40 |
| lcuk | the lcd does the heavy lifting - its been placed into a tv mode | 01:40 |
| KotCzarny | cool | 01:40 |
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| fysa | Most Amiga games are going to be 320x200ish | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | true | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | more like 320x256 though | 01:44 |
| fysa | but yes, I agree, ASM-optimized 68k is first. | 01:44 |
| KotCzarny | but lcuk says lcd will take care of scaling | 01:44 |
| cLin | for xterm, how do i use the alt key? | 01:44 |
| fysa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qipWqOwkceg | 01:45 |
| fysa | 320x224 seems to be it | 01:45 |
| fysa | (link is Shadow of the Beast intro) | 01:45 |
| KotCzarny | fysa: doesn't matter as long lcd scales for free | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:46 |
| KotCzarny | but it will need smart positioning | 01:46 |
| * Tama^2 wants to play Frontier ;_; | 01:47 | |
| Tama^2 | I looove that game | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | never finished it ;) | 01:47 |
| Tama^2 | and it's broken on PCs | 01:47 |
| Tama^2 | Amiga is the only way to go | 01:47 |
| fysa | Star Glider. | 01:47 |
| KotCzarny | ami version has nicer sound | 01:47 |
| fysa | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Amiga_Starglider_2.png | 01:49 |
| * KotCzarny made dpkg finally working again | 01:49 | |
| Pio | what, like elite 2? | 01:49 |
| Pio | frontier | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 01:49 |
| Pio | you ever try oolite? | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | frontier is elite 2 | 01:49 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:49 |
| Pio | yeah i used to play the pc version | 01:49 |
| * Mousey huggles FFE!! | 01:49 | |
| Pio | oh, hey Mousey | 01:49 |
| Mousey | hi hi pio | 01:50 |
| Mousey | get an 810 yeT? | 01:50 |
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| Pio | no | 01:52 |
| Pio | gotta hang up to use the phone | 01:52 |
| Pio | weee dialup | 01:52 |
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| glass | ffe rules | 01:52 |
| glass | still the best game of it's type | 01:52 |
| Mousey | agreed | 01:53 |
| Mousey | of any type really | 01:53 |
| glass | proper planets and shit | 01:53 |
| Mousey | aen | 01:53 |
| Mousey | amen | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oolite is a good one. | 01:53 |
| Mousey | it's almos time to read forums.frontier.co.uk again and ping about the E4 release timeline | 01:53 |
| Mousey | i can't understand why nobody's made a proper clone of FE2 | 01:54 |
| Mousey | or ffe | 01:54 |
| fysa | pupnik: is this UAE4ALL, E-UAE? | 01:54 |
| fysa | http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/UAE4all | 01:54 |
| pupnik | no regular debian uae - but osemutech has some work on euae http://cid-de1b8fbb27739ebd.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Public/files | 01:55 |
| fysa | virtual keyboard | 01:55 |
| pupnik | yeah i saw it | 01:55 |
| fysa | but.. "It isn't using an ASM core" | 01:55 |
| fysa | I will do some digging for an m68k core in ASM. | 01:55 |
| pupnik | it is called 'cyclone' | 01:55 |
| fysa | ah | 01:56 |
| fysa | MAME GP2X uses it. | 01:56 |
| KotCzarny | umkay. apt-get works again too. | 01:56 |
| * KotCzarny restores damages after uninstalling localization packages | 01:56 | |
| KotCzarny | :> | 01:56 |
| kb_ | Has anyone here tried to run the "How to Use Camera API" How-To on an N800 running the 2008 distro? It seems to run ridiculously slow, so I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong. | 01:58 |
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| fysa | UAE4ALL for GP2X is using the cyclone core. hopefully it hasn't diverged from the fork too much. | 02:00 |
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| pupnik | fysa: if you're a decent coder it might not be too much effort to port uae4all to the tablet | 02:10 |
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| oscarello | hi | 02:12 |
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| cLin | how would I install something liek wget or screen? is it soemthing like windows where you double click a setup file? | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | enable extras repository in app-manager | 02:26 |
| KotCzarny | then just browse to it and choose 'install' | 02:27 |
| johnx | ...though some things can only be installed from the command line | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:/mnt/ts/mplayer-1.0rc1# apt-get install wget | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | wget | 02:27 |
| cLin | ok | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:27 |
| cLin | damn KotCzarny you seem to always be online | 02:27 |
| KotCzarny | Nokia-N800-51-3:/mnt/ts/mplayer-1.0rc1# wget -V | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | GNU Wget 1.10.2 | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | one more, it's in: Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free wget 1.10.2-2osso2 [609kB] | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | so you have to add it | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | by hand | 02:28 |
| KotCzarny | that will also enable much more linuxish stuff | 02:29 |
| cLin | how do i add it in by hand? | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | download deb | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | then dpkg -i name.deb | 02:29 |
| cLin | oh | 02:29 |
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| KotCzarny | ah | 02:29 |
| cLin | i should have that repo | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | repo | 02:29 |
| cLin | let me see | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | in app-man | 02:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:29 |
| cLin | what do you use for irc on the tablet? | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | ssh | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:30 |
| cLin | irssi? | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | i have shell on my wrt54g | 02:30 |
| KotCzarny | and screen & epic there | 02:30 |
| cLin | how would you use the alt key? | 02:30 |
| cLin | i switch windows with that | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | i don't know | 02:31 |
| cLin | oh | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | right now i'm from my lappy still | 02:31 |
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| johnx | it's ok. alt-tab won't change windows on the tablet anyways :) | 02:31 |
| * johnx has a keyboard finally | 02:31 | |
| KotCzarny | johnx, wrong | 02:31 |
| KotCzarny | it's for irssi windows | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | alt-number | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:32 |
| johnx | aaah | 02:32 |
| * johnx goes back to n00bsville | 02:32 | |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:32 |
| cLin | heh | 02:32 |
| cLin | wait, so how do you switch windows in yours? | 02:32 |
| KotCzarny | i'm in the phase of adding software to n800 | 02:32 |
| cLin | oh | 02:33 |
| cLin | what the | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | so my lappy is still my main machine | 02:33 |
| cLin | how long have you had it? | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | ~week | 02:33 |
| infobot | [week] 7 days or 168 hours or 10,080 minutes or 604,800 seconds. | 02:33 |
| cLin | how the blaze do you know so much | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | ~fuck | 02:33 |
| infobot | Now where did I put the lube...? Eh, no matter, dry it is tonight! | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | ~pr0n | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | poor bot. | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | doesn't know abour pr0n | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:33 |
| cLin | hrm, i added that repo and i still cant see wget 1.10 | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | clin: i use linux for many years | 02:33 |
| KotCzarny | clin: refresh repos | 02:34 |
| cLin | it does it automatically | 02:34 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you need redpill then | 02:34 |
| cLin | im in it | 02:34 |
| cLin | lets try xterm | 02:34 |
| * KotCzarny is compiling mencoder + tv support | 02:35 | |
| johnx | only packages that are marked section "user/foo" show up in app manager | 02:35 |
| cLin | mencoder? | 02:35 |
| johnx | wget is in section web | 02:35 |
| cLin | i put all thougfh | 02:35 |
| cLin | but lets check | 02:35 |
| johnx | just use apt-get from the command line | 02:35 |
| johnx | stay away from red pill mode | 02:35 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:35 |
| cLin | wait | 02:35 |
| * KotCzarny loves controll | 02:36 | |
| KotCzarny | control | 02:36 |
| cLin | when i instaleld wget using apt-get it alrdy downloaded that | 02:36 |
| cLin | why am i doing ti again? | 02:36 |
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| johnx | doing what again? | 02:37 |
| cLin | nothing, it works | 02:37 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:37 |
| cLin | KotCzarny, made it seemlike i had to install wget twice | 02:37 |
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| johnx | he's tricky like that | 02:38 |
| * cLin shakes fist | 02:38 | |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:38 |
| KotCzarny | at least you don't pay per-kb | 02:39 |
| cLin | you dont know if im not connected toa phone or not :P | 02:39 |
| * cLin puts on tin foil hat | 02:40 | |
| KotCzarny | - cLin is i=clin@pool-71-106-184-56.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net (clin) | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:40 |
| cLin | yea, but thats not my n800 | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | though it could be shell | 02:40 |
| KotCzarny | still you wouldn't be installing software on cellphone net | 02:40 |
| cLin | i may be just that dumb | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:41 |
| KotCzarny | that's your words | 02:41 |
| johnx | you sure showed him, cLin :D | 02:41 |
| cLin | lol | 02:41 |
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| KotCzarny | mplayer is compiling, let's eat something | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 02:42 |
| KotCzarny | anyone wants to see retu-adc output from the last 2 days? | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:43 |
| johnx | yeah, sounds interesting | 02:43 |
| KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/batt2gp.png | 02:44 |
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| KotCzarny | field #8 looks like a battery voltage | 02:44 |
| johnx | does the uptick correspond with you shutting off wireless or the screen or plugging it in? | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | #3 looks like charging + battery voltage | 02:45 |
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| KotCzarny | it was idle most of the time | 02:45 |
| KotCzarny | on 4/3 0:0 i have made some mplayer tests | 02:45 |
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| KotCzarny | so it discharged faster | 02:46 |
| KotCzarny | wifi was on all the time | 02:46 |
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| KotCzarny | though idle often | 02:46 |
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| johnx | but what is up with the part just after 4/3 20:00? | 02:46 |
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| KotCzarny | i have connected charger | 02:47 |
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| KotCzarny | because it dropped to 'battery low' state | 02:47 |
| KotCzarny | (yes, i'm planning to write my own console battery checker based on this :) | 02:48 |
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| johnx | that would be very cool | 02:48 |
| KotCzarny | there's one for n770 | 02:48 |
| johnx | I think a couple people will be interested in that at least | 02:48 |
| johnx | there is battery status, but it just pulls info from dbus | 02:48 |
| johnx | so there's no way to see what's really going on | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | retu-adc returns battery voltage, i guess | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | but i have yet to scale it | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | or analyze | 02:49 |
| KotCzarny | what i'm planning to do is statusbar plugin | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | one icon to do it all | 02:50 |
| johnx | wow | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | one icon to rule the n800 | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 02:50 |
| johnx | that would be nice | 02:50 |
| johnx | and it won't pull from dsme/bme? | 02:50 |
| KotCzarny | dsme? | 02:50 |
| johnx | device state management entity (I think) | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't remove Nokia's battery icon from GUI. :( | 02:51 |
| esworp | If you've got a bogus repository on the application manager, resulting in stalled library updates, is there a way of finding out wha library is the culprit shy of trail and error disabling of each one at a time? | 02:51 |
| johnx | esworp, have you already checked the log? | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | ga: i think about replacing matchbox with fluxbox | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i will need something standalone | 02:51 |
| KotCzarny | and not depending on maemo (too much) | 02:52 |
| johnx | dsme handles some interactions with the hardware | 02:52 |
| KotCzarny | changing topic, i have noticed 'fastmem-arm9' dir in mplayer | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | is it used or only sits there? | 02:53 |
| esworp | Oh, looky. Duplicate entries, missing public keys, and | 02:53 |
| esworp | Oh, looky. Duplicate entries, missing public keys, and duplicates. Wonder which one causes the stall... | 02:53 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 02:53 |
| * johnx sees duplicates, too :P | 02:54 | |
| * KotCzarny fakes a stall | 02:54 | |
| johnx | you'll always have missing public keys | 02:54 |
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| * pupnik is getting all kinds of happy with tweaked transcodes | 03:11 | |
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| czr | pupnik, pink and fuzzy kind of happy? :-) | 03:12 |
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| pupnik | 2 hr movie down to 450MB with no blockyness, ringing or smearing | 03:13 |
| KotCzarny | maemo_os_version_string | 03:13 |
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| KotCzarny | anyone knows what lib provides it? | 03:13 |
| KotCzarny | ah, nvm. found it | 03:14 |
| cLin^ | awesome | 03:14 |
| cLin^ | i got everything working on irssi | 03:14 |
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| KotCzarny | [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/mplayer-1.0rc1] > ls -l mencoder | 03:16 |
| KotCzarny | -rwxrwxr-x 1 sbox sbox 5365972 Mar 3 20:16 mencoder | 03:16 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:16 |
| johnx | and you're going to do what with that now? | 03:16 |
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| KotCzarny | stream vid from cam | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:17 |
| johnx | nice | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | or at least see if it can encode/work with it | 03:17 |
| johnx | you saw the vlc build already I assume? | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | never used vlc | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer/mencoder worked for me | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder why it can't init itself | 03:20 |
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| pupnik | if someone has a good full-featured vlc+ffmpeg build for x86 debian* that'd be nice | 03:22 |
| johnx | what is the debian build missing? | 03:22 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: you know mencoder a little | 03:23 |
| pupnik | i don't have time to write that book. | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | why it doesn't like me? | 03:23 |
| pupnik | like... being able to transcode with mp3 audio | 03:23 |
| pupnik | what's not working KotCzarny | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/m35d04a57 | 03:23 |
| KotCzarny | it opens v4l2 interface ok | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | but then fails finding codec | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | aaaaaargh. | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | rebooted. | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | I HATE WATCHDOG. | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | my precious batt-log file :/ | 03:25 |
| pupnik | mencoder -ovc help | 03:25 |
| pupnik | dunno KotCzarny | 03:26 |
| KotCzarny | i have added -fps option | 03:26 |
| KotCzarny | then it worked | 03:26 |
| pupnik | heh | 03:26 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | it actually captured vid | 03:27 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:27 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, disable watchdog | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | i know | 03:28 |
| KotCzarny | but i didn't knew it simply reboot on high cpu usage | 03:28 |
| johnx | it shouldn't | 03:29 |
| fysa | ding ding | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | it did | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | apparently | 03:29 |
| johnx | basically it will only reboot if some app being watched by watchdog doesn't respond in 60 (I think) seconds | 03:29 |
| johnx | so either that app crashed from what you were doing or it couldn't get enough time to respond | 03:29 |
| KotCzarny | it will be the latter | 03:30 |
| pupnik | it'd be neat to have an omap3430 + maemo tablet device with 1280x720 screen | 03:30 |
| johnx | it'd be nice to have them make more progress on resolution independences | 03:30 |
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| KotCzarny | it'd be nice to make all software open | 03:31 |
| fysa | just need someone to open an N800 and wire it up to a larger LCD. | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:31 |
| fysa | maybe laptop LCD. | 03:31 |
| czr | it would be nice to have infinite batteries | 03:31 |
| KotCzarny | czr: solar panels | 03:31 |
| fysa | and then put a laptop touchscreen on the LCD.. | 03:31 |
| pupnik | make it 225 dpi, with a 5.7" wide screen... | 03:32 |
| johnx | I want my radio-isotope generator w/ 20 years of runtime | 03:32 |
| czr | KotCzarny, in .fi? hah :-) | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | there are reasonable/portable/cheap ones giving you 2W | 03:32 |
| fysa | EEE screen ;) | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | should be enough for n800 | 03:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:32 |
| fysa | EEE screen w/touchscreen overlay, wall-mounted | 03:32 |
| johnx | the dpi would be too low | 03:32 |
| fysa | not really.. | 03:32 |
| johnx | 200dpi+ is great for ebooks | 03:32 |
| fysa | 10 foot interface | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | it's not | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | 100dpi is more than enough | 03:33 |
| fysa | it would be good for a wall-mounted display, in a hallway or next to the door/in the kitchen. | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | and at 100dpi you can make bigger screen | 03:33 |
| fysa | I would put it in the kitchen. | 03:33 |
| fysa | perfect kitchen browser.. | 03:33 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, I think it comes down to individual taste | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | fysa: stream it | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | you wall mount can simply receive and display | 03:33 |
| johnx | fysa, sounds like a simpad | 03:33 |
| KotCzarny | vnc | 03:33 |
| fysa | much of what you can only do with a stylus in Hildon, could be done with a finger at the EEE display dpi. | 03:34 |
| johnx | we can call it an "x terminal" | 03:34 |
| johnx | :) | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | n terminal | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:34 |
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| KotCzarny | n-ter m | 03:34 |
| fysa | i.e., the stylus keyboard would be usable with fingers easily | 03:34 |
| johnx | I missed that you were talking about a wall mountable display, earlier | 03:34 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:34 |
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| KotCzarny | O.o | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | i'm getting 13fps from webcam | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 03:35 |
| johnx | not bad | 03:35 |
| johnx | at full resolution? | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | at 320x200 though | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | at full it barely makes 0.5fps | 03:35 |
| KotCzarny | (; | 03:35 |
| johnx | that's unfortunate :/ | 03:36 |
| fysa | 7" Optronics display. | 03:37 |
| fysa | http://images.tweaktown.com/imagebank/eeepc16_s.jpg | 03:37 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:38 |
| fysa | USB touchscreen controller. | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | 10fps is ok | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 03:38 |
| KotCzarny | but i need fast encoding options for lavc | 03:38 |
| johnx | mpeg1? | 03:39 |
| johnx | mjpeg? | 03:39 |
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| KotCzarny | cmd line pls? | 03:39 |
| johnx | sorry, don't know...just thinking out loud | 03:39 |
| KotCzarny | only lavc compiled in. hum | 03:40 |
| johnx | -lavcopts:vcodec=mjpeg | 03:40 |
| johnx | can I have the mencoder binary to play with? | 03:41 |
| johnx | I'll try and find something that works... | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | ok, just a moment | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | you want the one i have compiled? | 03:41 |
| KotCzarny | or for x86? | 03:41 |
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| johnx | the one for the tablet | 03:41 |
| johnx | every x86 machine I have already has mencoder :) | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 03:42 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 03:43 |
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| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mencoder.gz | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | -lavcopts:vcodec=mjpeg is not an MEncoder option | 03:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:44 |
| fysa | LVDS, VGA or TTL? | 03:44 |
| fysa | certainly not VGA. | 03:44 |
| johnx | on the eee or n800? | 03:45 |
| fysa | N800 | 03:45 |
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| fysa | Optronics manufactures, found their product line | 03:45 |
| fysa | they have 6.5" also | 03:45 |
| fysa | in 800x480 | 03:45 |
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| KotCzarny | what was the command for temporal blur in mencoder? | 03:46 |
| fysa | 3dsomething? | 03:47 |
| fysa | it's poor. | 03:48 |
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| KotCzarny | btw. for video calls any program using v4l2 interface will work | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:48 |
| KotCzarny | (no nokia specific hacks needed) | 03:48 |
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| fysa | yes, I believe 'motion' has been ported | 03:49 |
| johnx | so, are you going to keep the Nokia ITOS distro and just hack some software on to it? or are you going to get a whole different distro running? | 03:50 |
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| fysa | with a larger screen? | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | who? | 03:51 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, you. :) you mentioned getting fluxbox running and replacing the statusbar applets | 03:51 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 03:51 |
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| KotCzarny | i guess i'll do both | 03:51 |
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| KotCzarny | itos on mtd | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | and some kind of slackware on mmc | 03:52 |
| johnx | are you pretty set on slackware? | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 03:52 |
| johnx | ah | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | it's my distro of choice | 03:52 |
| KotCzarny | simple and effective | 03:52 |
| johnx | seems like all of us working on getting a mainstream distro on the N8x0 has picked a different distro :/ | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: it doesn't matter what distro you use | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | as long as sources are available | 03:53 |
| KotCzarny | you can package it for yourself | 03:53 |
| johnx | yeah, I know. I was just holding out hope that someone was going to help with Debian on the N8x0 ;) | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:54 |
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| KotCzarny | Your other options are: mjpeg (motion jpeg), ljpeg (lossless jpeg), h263, h263p, msmpeg4 (DivX 3), msmpeg4v2 (MS MPEG4v2), wmv1 (Windows Media Video, version 1), wmv2 (Windows Media Video, version 2), rv10 (an old RealVideo codec), mpeg1video, mpeg2video, huffyuv, ffvhuff, asv1, asv2 and ffv1. | 03:54 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 03:54 |
| johnx | sooo...about getting a copy of your mencoder ARM binary? | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | i have posted a link | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | didn't i? | 03:55 |
| johnx | ah...did I miss it? O_o | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | probably | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:55 |
| johnx | yes | 03:55 |
| johnx | I did miss it... | 03:55 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mencoder.gz | 03:56 |
| johnx | thanks | 03:56 |
| johnx | grabbing it now | 03:56 |
| KotCzarny | how do i avoid swscaler? | 03:57 |
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| johnx | KotCzarny, it's just for the colorspace conversion, right? | 04:11 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | SwScaler: 176x144 -> 176x144 | 04:12 |
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| johnx | well, you pretty much need it unless you want raw output, unless I'm confused | 04:12 |
| nwidger_ | just a quick question, can someone tell me the n810's screen resolution? | 04:12 |
| KotCzarny | 800x480 | 04:12 |
| Navi | 800x480 | 04:12 |
| nwidger_ | thank you :) | 04:12 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 04:13 |
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| lopz | bye | 04:13 |
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| fysa | mencoder for the N800? | 04:15 |
| fysa | brilliant | 04:15 |
| KotCzarny | a little underpowered | 04:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:16 |
| fysa | wait until idle.. | 04:16 |
| KotCzarny | idle? | 04:16 |
| KotCzarny | how? | 04:16 |
| fysa | libalarm? | 04:16 |
| fysa | here you go -- | 04:16 |
| KotCzarny | i thought mencoder has it already | 04:16 |
| fysa | I don't know, does it? | 04:17 |
| fysa | basically, queue jobs and then process while plugged in and the device untouched/screensaver mode. | 04:17 |
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| fysa | maybe too much. | 04:17 |
| KotCzarny | fysa, it's grabbing from webcam | 04:17 |
| KotCzarny | it has to be rt.. | 04:17 |
| fysa | oh, I meant for transcoding on the device :) | 04:18 |
| KotCzarny | i would use pc for that | 04:18 |
| KotCzarny | i needed mencoder to check v4l2 | 04:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:18 |
| johnx | but you could use it to keep your hands warm :) | 04:18 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:19 |
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| johnx | well I have *something* | 04:28 |
| johnx | the color conversion seems to be screwed up though :/ | 04:28 |
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| KotCzarny | cmdline? | 04:29 |
| johnx | mencoder -tv driver=v4l2:width=320:height=240:device=/dev/video0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video -ofps 5 -nosound -o /media/mmc2/video/video.mpeg tv:// | 04:29 |
| KotCzarny | thx | 04:30 |
| johnx | gets you mpeg1 video with really weird color | 04:30 |
| KotCzarny | mpeg1video worked for me without a problem | 04:31 |
| KotCzarny | the only problem is some light blocks in the video | 04:31 |
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| johnx | KotCzarny, try playback on the tablet itself | 04:38 |
| johnx | I guess it's a bug in mplayer, not mencoder | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i test it | 04:38 |
| johnx | heh | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | works in mine | 04:38 |
| johnx | O_o | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | .24 and .25 | 04:38 |
| pupnik | what kind of speeds do you get with scp -c blowfish to N8x0 tablet? i'm getting about 650kB/s | 04:38 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: that's reasonable | 04:39 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, so you can use the command line that I gave you on your tablet and playback the result in mplayer .25? | 04:39 |
| pupnik | seems to start much higher, then stabilize around 646-652 | 04:39 |
| KotCzarny | wait a moment | 04:40 |
| fysa | check the CPU while that's going on. | 04:40 |
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| pupnik | 38% sshd, 32% OMAP McSPI/0, 4-6 %cx3110x | 04:41 |
| pupnik | pretty much the same speed as a big wget | 04:42 |
| johnx | hey, mjpeg output looks nice | 04:42 |
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| johnx | no weird chunks either | 04:42 |
| johnx | actually, that's the nicest output I've ever seen from the camera | 04:42 |
| fysa | network is, IMO, the biggest bottleneck toward streaming high quality video. | 04:43 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 04:44 |
| KotCzarny | i see chunks | 04:44 |
| johnx | try this: mencoder -tv driver=v4l2:width=320:height=240:device=/dev/video0 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg -ofps 5 -nosound -o /media/mmc2/video/video.mjpeg tv:// | 04:45 |
| johnx | and the color thing I was running into was related to -vo nokia770 | 04:45 |
| pupnik | are you using an older mplayer then johnx? | 04:45 |
| KotCzarny | yes, no chunks when using mjpeg | 04:46 |
| johnx | nice | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: it's not the mplayer | 04:46 |
| johnx | the color problems are mplayer | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | it's probably underpowered cpu | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: i have no color problems | 04:46 |
| KotCzarny | recorded/played fine | 04:46 |
| johnx | try -vo nokia770 or -vo xv | 04:46 |
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| KotCzarny | works fine | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | as expected | 04:47 |
| johnx | and you're on mplayer .24 or .25? | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | .24 | 04:47 |
| johnx | heh...maybe it's a regression, then | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | but .25 too | 04:47 |
| johnx | I'm on .25 | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | no problems altogether | 04:47 |
| johnx | well, I don't know then | 04:47 |
| johnx | let me see if it happens with other videos I guess | 04:47 |
| johnx | ... | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | but my mplayer can differ from yours | 04:47 |
| KotCzarny | though it shouldn't | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | i can put a vid with chunks | 04:48 |
| KotCzarny | so you can test | 04:48 |
| johnx | hang on on sec | 04:49 |
| johnx | ah, actually my tablet is in an undefined state I think | 04:50 |
| johnx | all video is screwed up right now | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | reboot? | 04:50 |
| johnx | I will in a sec | 04:50 |
| johnx | wanna see if you can break yours? | 04:50 |
| KotCzarny | how? | 04:50 |
| johnx | open the video call thing | 04:50 |
| johnx | let it show video for a couple seconds, then try playing a movie | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | if 'internet call' ? | 04:51 |
| johnx | yeah | 04:51 |
| KotCzarny | should i close it before mencoder? | 04:51 |
| johnx | I think I did | 04:51 |
| johnx | anways, the video was fine all along | 04:52 |
| johnx | or rather the "captured video" | 04:52 |
| johnx | it was just the display part that was wonky | 04:52 |
| KotCzarny | btw. 320x240 is unsupported by the cam | 04:53 |
| johnx | hmm? | 04:53 |
| KotCzarny | it uses 176 x 144 when you tell it to use 320x240 | 04:53 |
| johnx | aaah | 04:53 |
| johnx | no wonder things were so fast | 04:53 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:53 |
| KotCzarny | use 352x288 | 04:54 |
| johnx | I got 320x240 video as output though | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | i guess mplayer rescaled it | 04:54 |
| johnx | uhm...video is still screwed up O_o | 04:54 |
| johnx | maybe, don't do the thing I did | 04:54 |
| KotCzarny | which one? | 04:54 |
| johnx | I mean, video output on my n800 | 04:54 |
| johnx | as in known good files play in a small box in incorrect colors | 04:54 |
| johnx | through a reboot | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | WOW! | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | 352x288 | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | you won't believe | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:55 |
| johnx | hang on, priorities changed until this works again :( | 04:55 |
| KotCzarny | mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/cam.avi | 04:56 |
| KotCzarny | nice quality, but blocky | 04:56 |
| johnx | what codec? | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | ffodivx | 04:57 |
| johnx | really? interesting | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | exec mencoder \ | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=352:height=288:device=/dev/video0 \ | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | -nosound \ | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | -ofps 10 \ | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | -ovc lavc \ | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:mbd=2:turbo:vbitrate=300 \ | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | -o cam.avi | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | oops | 04:57 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 04:57 |
| johnx | looks nice | 04:59 |
| johnx | I wonder how mjpeg avoids those blocky artifacts | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but it's probably because it has much light | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: maybe it's because system load | 04:59 |
| johnx | yes, because it's a video *of a light* | 04:59 |
| johnx | I mean...that's about the most optimal situation possible for that camera :) | 04:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | but good to know that in good light it's usable | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | and has decent quality at ~400x300 | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | ~4fps only though at this res | 05:00 |
| KotCzarny | ok, back to swscaler thing | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | how to make it go away | 05:01 |
| johnx | mplayer is still b0rked here, after a shutdown and 30 seconds with no batter or ac | 05:01 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:02 |
| KotCzarny | and system player? | 05:02 |
| johnx | trying it now | 05:02 |
| rm_you | johnx: debian today! :P | 05:03 |
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| johnx | rm_you, cool. I still haven't figured out audio | 05:04 |
| johnx | or network-manager | 05:04 |
| rm_you | <_< | 05:04 |
| rm_you | i'll try to help | 05:04 |
| johnx | a hardware keyboard will help though | 05:04 |
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| johnx | a hardware keyboard that I can use at the console, from boot :D | 05:04 |
| rm_you | bluetooth keyboard? >_> | 05:04 |
| rm_you | hrm | 05:04 |
| rm_you | yeah... | 05:04 |
| johnx | nope, usb | 05:04 |
| rm_you | never got mine working | 05:04 |
| rm_you | dunno about that adapter | 05:05 |
| rm_you | though i can try again | 05:05 |
| johnx | I got a different one | 05:05 |
| johnx | just a basic female-female | 05:05 |
| rm_you | from akiba? | 05:05 |
| johnx | yeah | 05:05 |
| rm_you | how much was it? | 05:05 |
| johnx | $5 | 05:05 |
| rm_you | hrm | 05:05 |
| johnx | you're better off getting the nice one from that guy in canada though | 05:05 |
| johnx | and a little keyboard from that keyboard store | 05:05 |
| rm_you | want to ship me one with one of those $1 teapot strainer replacements? :P | 05:05 |
| johnx | ahaha | 05:05 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:06 |
| rm_you | so, is the image on the itt wiki the latest/greatest? | 05:06 |
| johnx | yeah | 05:07 |
| johnx | just need a couple changes to make buttons work | 05:07 |
| johnx | all is documented on the wiki | 05:07 |
| rm_you | k | 05:07 |
| rm_you | i have a whole 4g card to devote to it | 05:07 |
| johnx | ok, color is screwed up in the default media player too | 05:07 |
| rm_you | hrm k | 05:07 |
| rm_you | i'll prolly start with audio, then move to mplayer/video | 05:07 |
| johnx | uhm...I'm kinda worried now | 05:07 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 05:08 |
| rm_you | as that would be my priorities | 05:08 |
| rm_you | ? | 05:08 |
| KotCzarny | how exactly it's screwed? | 05:08 |
| johnx | rm_you, talking about something else... | 05:08 |
| rm_you | ? | 05:08 |
| johnx | KotCzarny, it's not scaled to the proper size, and video is in some weird shifted color space | 05:08 |
| johnx | hard to describe | 05:08 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | but it only affects videos? | 05:09 |
| johnx | I'll see if a screenshot captures it, | 05:09 |
| johnx | only video outputted with xv or nokia770 scaler | 05:09 |
| johnx | -vo x11 is fine | 05:09 |
| KotCzarny | so it's xv related? | 05:10 |
| johnx | and the builtin media player has exactly the same effect | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | -vo nokia770 ? | 05:10 |
| johnx | is affected | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 05:10 |
| KotCzarny | try running internet call app? | 05:10 |
| johnx | the video in that worked | 05:11 |
| rm_you | hrm | 05:11 |
| johnx | but other video is still broken | 05:11 |
| johnx | rm_you, I'm in ITOS and managed to b0rk video output somehow | 05:11 |
| rm_you | hrm.... step 1: fanoush initfs.... | 05:11 |
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| rm_you | >_> | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | btw. which nokia do you have? | 05:12 |
| johnx | n800 | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | same as mine | 05:12 |
| pupnik | wasn't -vo nokia770 disabled for ... n800 now? | 05:12 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 05:13 |
| KotCzarny | works better than xv | 05:13 |
| czr | you're sharing one? no wonder there's some occasional problems with the video | 05:13 |
| pupnik | ok ty | 05:13 |
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| rm_you | lol | 05:13 |
| johnx | actually...I know what this might be | 05:14 |
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| johnx | this might be related to my custom kernel and I just haven't played video since I flashed it O_o | 05:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:15 |
| rm_you | >_> | 05:16 |
| * johnx crosses fingers | 05:17 | |
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| johnx | woo! | 05:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:23 |
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| johnx | heh...that means there is no good way to have a kernel that can display console messages and video | 05:24 |
| johnx | that kind of sucks | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | why | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | you can make some virt console | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | to do that | 05:24 |
| KotCzarny | or send it via syslog? | 05:25 |
| johnx | I guess, rather "no good way to display a console while booting" | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | fb? | 05:25 |
| KotCzarny | serial? | 05:25 |
| johnx | yeah, I could wire up serial...but I'd rather not | 05:26 |
| johnx | and to make it display on fb I need that option that screws up video | 05:26 |
| johnx | it's something like CONFIG_OMAP_FB_MANUAL_UPDATE | 05:26 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 05:27 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 05:27 |
| KotCzarny | givertaker :P | 05:27 |
| johnx | hey, you never stipulated video had to work too | 05:27 |
| johnx | I didn't even notice this problem for ~1 month | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I never stipulated shit! | 05:27 |
| johnx | I'm glad I didn't panic and reflash everything at least | 05:28 |
| johnx | cause that would have fixed it and I still wouldn't know what causes it :/ | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | but i still get those blocks :/ | 05:28 |
| KotCzarny | and i'm trying to find what other vid formats this cam supports | 05:29 |
| johnx | mjpeg :) | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | mjpeg sucks. | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:29 |
| johnx | you're just jealous that I thought of it first and it works :D | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | i have tested it too | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | but i would like mpeg4 working | 05:29 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:29 |
| johnx | that's a little much for this poor thing | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:30 |
| johnx | maybe the same codec they use for video conferencing? | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | if i can't avoid software scaling.. | 05:30 |
| KotCzarny | which one? | 05:30 |
| johnx | dunno what it's called | 05:31 |
| johnx | H something | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | tried it | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | blocky too | 05:31 |
| johnx | too many freaking codecs that start with H | 05:31 |
| KotCzarny | but i have only compiled h263, h263p | 05:31 |
| rm_you | h263 = oldskool, h264 = newskool :P | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | external lib is needed for 264 | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | i may play with it later | 05:32 |
| johnx | isn't that really processor intensive? | 05:32 |
| rm_you | YES | 05:32 |
| rm_you | dear jesus yes >_> | 05:32 |
| johnx | I was thinking H323 I think... | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i didn't bothered | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 05:32 |
| rm_you | i experimented with it on the n800... | 05:32 |
| rm_you | it works sorta | 05:32 |
| rm_you | but not feasiblt | 05:32 |
| rm_you | *feasibly | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | rm: encoding or decoding? | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:32 |
| rm_you | decoding | 05:32 |
| KotCzarny | we are testing encoding | 05:32 |
| rm_you | IE, playing with mplayer | 05:32 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:33 |
| rm_you | encoding on n800 would take... eons | 05:33 |
| johnx | mjpeg and mpeg1 are fine | 05:33 |
| KotCzarny | mpeg4 too | 05:33 |
| johnx | 5-10fps webcam @ 3xx X 2xx | 05:33 |
| KotCzarny | erm | 05:33 |
| KotCzarny | that webcam can't do more than 4fps @352x288 | 05:34 |
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| KotCzarny | and it's not mencoder related | 05:34 |
| johnx | ah right | 05:34 |
| KotCzarny | i guess | 05:34 |
| johnx | I forgot that my 320x240 was actually grabbing at 176 x something | 05:34 |
| johnx | it looked fine though | 05:34 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad about IVA2. :( | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | MPEG1/2 does not support 4/1 fps | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | ehehe | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | iva2? | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2005/image/decembernews/omap2430.gif | 05:35 |
| KotCzarny | wmv1 looks promising | 05:36 |
| johnx | ah | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | belive it or not | 05:36 |
| johnx | I'd like something more motion detection oriented | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | 6fps | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:36 |
| johnx | heh | 05:36 |
| KotCzarny | at 352x288 | 05:37 |
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| KotCzarny | so it will be ~24fps at lower | 05:37 |
| KotCzarny | not bad, huh? :) | 05:37 |
| johnx | nice...I should play with motion and cron :) | 05:38 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | ffvhuff is not bad | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | if you can accept 10mbit stream ;) | 05:41 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | asv1 does 10fps | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | at 352x288 | 05:44 |
| johnx | nice | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | and no blocks | 05:44 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:44 |
| johnx | interesting | 05:45 |
| KotCzarny | it would be nice to avoid swscaler. | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | hum. | 05:46 |
| johnx | maybe poke at outfmt | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | i have tried | 05:46 |
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| KotCzarny | but can't find what formats are supported | 05:46 |
| johnx | errr...you don't have a card reader? | 05:46 |
| KotCzarny | other than yuy2 | 05:47 |
| rm_you | not that reads ext2 <_< | 05:47 |
| johnx | outfmt=help | 05:47 |
| * rm_you is on windoze ATM | 05:47 | |
| KotCzarny | you can have ifs_ext | 05:47 |
| johnx | rm_you, ah, sadness :( | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | or something like that | 05:47 |
| rm_you | yeah | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | don't remember name | 05:47 |
| rm_you | it's a PITA tho | 05:47 |
| johnx | yeah, there's ifs but I don't know how much I trust it | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | rw and complete | 05:47 |
| rm_you | i've used it before | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | reliable | 05:47 |
| johnx | it's acted weird on me before | 05:47 |
| KotCzarny | from what i have used | 05:47 |
| rm_you | it did weird things on mine >_> | 05:47 |
| rm_you | i just format reiser and use Yasu | 05:48 |
| rm_you | if i need stuff <_< | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.fs-driver.org/ | 05:48 |
| rm_you | not as nice... but | 05:48 |
| KotCzarny | this one? | 05:48 |
| rm_you | yep, thats it | 05:48 |
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| rm_you | johnx: is this initflasher safe with 52-3? | 05:50 |
| johnx | 51-3? | 05:50 |
| KotCzarny | there is 52-3 ? | 05:50 |
| rm_you | err | 05:50 |
| rm_you | the latest | 05:50 |
| johnx | 52-3 would be 0-4 I think :D | 05:50 |
| johnx | yes, as far as I know | 05:50 |
| rm_you | 51-3 | 05:50 |
| johnx | the only thing that's different is nolo, so I would say yes, it's safe | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=176:height=144:device=/dev/video0 -ofps 14 \ | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=asv1 \ | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | this one looks nice | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | i mean works fast | 05:51 |
| KotCzarny | ~50% cpu | 05:52 |
| johnx | that's awesome | 05:52 |
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| rm_you | yay init flashed successfully | 05:54 |
| rm_you | now untarring debian... | 05:54 |
| johnx | fun | 05:54 |
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| johnx | I should put debian back on mine...I wish I had more sd cards :| | 05:54 |
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| rm_you | :( | 05:54 |
| rm_you | i have an extra 4G sitting here now >_> | 05:55 |
| johnx | maybe I'll try and boot from usb stick | 05:56 |
| johnx | that would be nice | 05:56 |
| johnx | heh...or a whole USB drive | 05:56 |
| johnx | that should give me 500GB to play with | 05:57 |
| KotCzarny | nice thing is that n800 can double as a spycam | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | lcd can be turned of while grabbing | 05:58 |
| Navi | >>_> | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | and data streamed via wireless | 05:58 |
| KotCzarny | (: | 05:58 |
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| johnx | or run a cylon looking animation in loop on the screen :D | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | that would be cool | 05:59 |
| johnx | little red-dot eye moving back and forth | 05:59 |
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| KotCzarny | but will require hardware mods | 05:59 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 05:59 |
| rm_you | hrmrm | 06:00 |
| rm_you | well | 06:00 |
| rm_you | THOUGHT i was going to be untarring debian | 06:00 |
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| rm_you | but can't seem to mount the ext partition | 06:00 |
| rm_you | and insmod on the ext2 module fails | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | dmesg? | 06:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:00 |
| johnx | did you modprobe ext2 and jbd and mcache | 06:00 |
| johnx | ? | 06:00 |
| rm_you | dmesg says "setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV | 06:00 |
| rm_you | thats it | 06:00 |
| johnx | insmod mcache | 06:01 |
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| rm_you | modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep | 06:01 |
| rm_you | <_< | 06:01 |
| johnx | insmod | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | ln -s | 06:01 |
| johnx | modprobe is broken | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | not broken | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | only modules in initfs | 06:01 |
| KotCzarny | ln -s /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1 /lib/modules/ | 06:02 |
| rm_you | insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory | 06:02 |
| johnx | rm_you, are you listening to me? | 06:02 |
| KotCzarny | do my ln then just run modprobe | 06:02 |
| rm_you | yeah, got it | 06:02 |
| rm_you | mbcache | 06:02 |
| johnx | and remember to update the FAQ :) | 06:02 |
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| rm_you | i wonder how long this bunzip is going to take >_> | 06:10 |
| rm_you | it's been like 5 minutes >_> | 06:10 |
| johnx | on the tablet?! | 06:10 |
| johnx | a long time | 06:10 |
| rm_you | lol | 06:10 |
| rm_you | yes | 06:11 |
| rm_you | winrar can extract stuff, but not just bunzip the tar >_> | 06:11 |
| rm_you | and i need permissions stuff | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | yes. | 06:11 |
| rm_you | soooo.... stuck with completely untarring/bunzipping on the tablet >_> | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | btw. you're using tar -j, yes? | 06:11 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 06:11 |
| rm_you | i figured i would bunzip it completely first | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | bah. | 06:12 |
| rm_you | was possibly a mistake? >_> | 06:12 |
| derf | For convenience, busybox's tar doesn't support -j | 06:12 |
| rm_you | yeah, that too | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | tar can ungz/unbz2 on the fly | 06:12 |
| KotCzarny | then compile/install one that can. doh. | 06:12 |
| rm_you | yeah, but the faq said something to the effect of what derf just said :P | 06:13 |
| rm_you | so i played it safe | 06:13 |
| derf | I wish they'd just give up on busybox and install a real system. | 06:13 |
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| KotCzarny | derf, busybox is ok | 06:13 |
| derf | I hate it. | 06:13 |
| rm_you | i want bash, but for some reason i can't just install bash... i have to REPLACE busybox | 06:13 |
| KotCzarny | you can force install | 06:13 |
| rm_you | which isn't what i want to do >_> i just want bash also <_< | 06:13 |
| derf | I was able to install bash without replacing busybox. | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | rm_you, ever heard about cp ? | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:14 |
| rm_you | yeah, thought about it | 06:14 |
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| rm_you | i could install YMHash | 06:14 |
| rm_you | ^^^^ the shell I wrote last semester in OS :P | 06:14 |
| derf | Just make sure you install the bash package that is "compatible with busybox's /bin/sh". | 06:14 |
| derf | Otherwise you get yourself a wsod reboot loop. | 06:14 |
| KotCzarny | nah. | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | simply leave sh as it is | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | and only use bash for you def. shell | 06:15 |
| derf | KotCzarny: That is, in fact, the problem. | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | and make scripts use #!/bin/bash | 06:15 |
| derf | Changing your default shell. | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | is it? | 06:15 |
| derf | Yes. | 06:15 |
| derf | I bricked my device 3 times before I figured out that was what was doing it. | 06:15 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 06:16 |
| rm_you | the term "bricked" sure has changed since the old zaurus days >_> | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | how about adding user toor ? | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | and giving it /bin/bash ? | 06:16 |
| rm_you | bricked back then meant buying a new zaurus or else a JTAG cable <_< | 06:16 |
| derf | Well, that's great, except that Hildon is not really built for multi-user support. | 06:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 06:17 |
| derf | xterm, for example, will always start as "user". | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | it's all hackable i think | 06:17 |
| derf | And yes, I tried changing the command it launches on startup... which gave the first tab bash, and all the rest defaulted back to /bin/sh. | 06:17 |
| KotCzarny | install aterm? | 06:18 |
| derf | Anyway... as I said. Someone is shipping a "busybox-sh compatible bash" package. That's the one you want. | 06:18 |
| derf | It'll let you change your default shell. | 06:18 |
| johnx | there is some real braindead things in parts of maemo/hildon | 06:18 |
| johnx | assuming HOME=/home/user, and DISPLAY=:0 is just for starters... | 06:19 |
| derf | The joys of software done on a budget and a tight schedule. | 06:19 |
| johnx | yeah, that must fit into 128MB of flash | 06:20 |
| rm_you | johnx: what WM is this using? | 06:20 |
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| johnx | debian? | 06:20 |
| rm_you | yes | 06:20 |
| johnx | matchbox w/ hildon-desktop | 06:20 |
| johnx | just like ITOS | 06:20 |
| rm_you | haven't booted it yet | 06:20 |
| rm_you | ah | 06:20 |
| rm_you | :P | 06:20 |
| johnx | runs leafpad without modification | 06:20 |
| ac7ss | how are themes created? | 06:21 |
| johnx | ac7ss, with theme maker :) | 06:21 |
| johnx | I should work on packaging some other maemo/hildon stuff, but a lot of it wants/needs/expects to have access to Nokia proprietary stuff | 06:21 |
| ac7ss | now is that under Maemo or in linux? | 06:21 |
| johnx | linux/windows/mac | 06:21 |
| johnx | it's java | 06:21 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 06:22 |
| johnx | you could do it by hand I guess...I think theme maker is just the packaging part and you edit the template to change the theme | 06:22 |
| ac7ss | where can I find it. I want a thin theme. (like Fvwm or something.) | 06:22 |
| johnx | that looks like fvwm you mean? | 06:23 |
| johnx | just google maemo thememaker | 06:23 |
| ac7ss | I like a theme that increases the real-estate. PADD is fun, but big. | 06:23 |
| johnx | that should work | 06:23 |
| rm_you | errr... what key do you hold to select a different boot? | 06:23 |
| ac7ss | looks like fvwm. | 06:23 |
| johnx | just wait for the menu | 06:23 |
| rm_you | it says "a menu key" but i've tried all of the ones on the left and it always just says "booting from flash..." | 06:23 |
| johnx | err...that's Nokia's thing...fanoush's thing should come up afterwards | 06:24 |
| johnx | without pressing anything | 06:24 |
| johnx | did you edit bootmenu.conf? | 06:24 |
| rm_you | no | 06:24 |
| rm_you | but there we go | 06:24 |
| rm_you | it is the middle thing, above home below back | 06:24 |
| rm_you | and the timing is a little twitchy | 06:24 |
| rm_you | hrm | 06:25 |
| rm_you | failure :( | 06:25 |
| johnx | yeah, I think you need to edit bootmenu.conf | 06:25 |
| johnx | you never setup boot from sd before? | 06:26 |
| rm_you | nope | 06:26 |
| rm_you | i just followed the guide | 06:26 |
| rm_you | in the boot menu i can select "MMC card, partition 2, ext2" | 06:26 |
| rm_you | and then it says "booting from mmc2..." but then it whitescreens and reboots | 06:26 |
| johnx | you just gave it the whole card, right? | 06:26 |
| rm_you | actually no :( | 06:27 |
| rm_you | second partition | 06:27 |
| johnx | ah, ok | 06:27 |
| rm_you | i left about 500mb fat on there so i could still have swap on internal sd | 06:27 |
| rm_you | and store random crap | 06:27 |
| rm_you | your guide doesnt have anything about bootmenu.conf editing being necessary <_< | 06:28 |
| rm_you | AH! | 06:28 |
| rm_you | second try worked | 06:28 |
| rm_you | weird :P but yay | 06:28 |
| rm_you | like the background | 06:28 |
| johnx | :D | 06:29 |
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| rm_you | lol you set the hostname as May | 06:30 |
| johnx | gah | 06:30 |
| johnx | meh...I uploaded that really late | 06:31 |
| johnx | BTW, check your MAC address | 06:31 |
| johnx | still haven't figured that one out | 06:31 |
| rm_you | >_> | 06:31 |
| rm_you | step1: get SOME hardware keyboard working | 06:32 |
| johnx | just ssh :P | 06:32 |
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| johnx | anyways, I think blueman is installed and works | 06:32 |
| rm_you | will netusb work with windoze? >_> | 06:33 |
| * rm_you doubts it | 06:33 | |
| johnx | it should | 06:33 |
| rm_you | how? >_> | 06:33 |
| johnx | look for the "Nokia 770 inf driver" for windows | 06:33 |
| rm_you | hrm | 06:33 |
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| doc|home | this powered/battery removal potential flakiness, is it still the same in the gta02? | 06:56 |
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| rm_you | johnx: this is very... awkward :( | 07:23 |
| johnx | hmm? | 07:23 |
| johnx | what's awkward? | 07:26 |
| johnx | rm_you, ??? | 07:27 |
| rm_you | eh | 07:27 |
| rm_you | the current setup | 07:27 |
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| rm_you | particularly the vkeyboard, lol | 07:27 |
| johnx | yeah, improvements wanted :) | 07:27 |
| rm_you | and somehow it rebooted when i tried to scroll the terminal, lol | 07:27 |
| johnx | hmm...never seen/heard of that | 07:27 |
| johnx | but AFAIK, the actually hildon keyboards are closed source | 07:28 |
| rm_you | yeah :( | 07:28 |
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| johnx | xfce works nicely though if you want to try that | 07:29 |
| rm_you | was gonna ask about that | 07:29 |
| rm_you | when i asked "what WM does this use" i expected you to tell me xfcew | 07:29 |
| rm_you | *xfce | 07:29 |
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| johnx | well my goal was being source compatible with ITOS and just needing to tweak package dependencies... | 07:30 |
| KotCzarny | http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=49 | 07:33 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 07:33 |
| rm_you | ... | 07:33 |
| rm_you | thats the card i have | 07:34 |
| rm_you | wait... | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | probably already included in kernel | 07:34 |
| rm_you | not MMCplus | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | patches are from march | 07:34 |
| KotCzarny | (2007) | 07:34 |
| rm_you | ... | 07:35 |
| rm_you | so why did you link that? | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | because it's only a thought | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | haven't checked kernel source yet | 07:35 |
| rm_you | a thought about what? | 07:35 |
| KotCzarny | that it's not yet included | 07:36 |
| johnx | I'd bet dollars to donuts it's already included or in fanoush's kernel | 07:36 |
| KotCzarny | the kernel from maemo.org has fanoush's patches? | 07:37 |
| johnx | does it say it does? | 07:37 |
| johnx | where? | 07:37 |
| KotCzarny | i was asking you | 07:37 |
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| rm_you | no | 07:37 |
| rm_you | they are not included | 07:37 |
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| johnx | I don't even know what kernel you're talking about... | 07:38 |
| KotCzarny | the one you get via apt-get source kernel | 07:38 |
| rm_you | i'm still VERY confused | 07:39 |
| johnx | ah the Nokia kernel...nope. fanoush's debug and high speed sd and some other patches are still not included | 07:39 |
| rm_you | what thought did linking that pertain to? were you/we talking about something that brought that on? lol | 07:39 |
| rm_you | it's just that, i *thought* i had been keeping track of all the current threads going on in #maemo :P | 07:39 |
| johnx | nope...he throws in lots of non-sequiters...keeps me on my toes...heh | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | who? me? | 07:40 |
| johnx | yeah you :P | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | good. | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 07:40 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | should i flash fanoush initfs ? | 07:41 |
| KotCzarny | it only lists 2.2007.50-2 as the latest | 07:41 |
| johnx | 50-2 and 51-3 are the same kernel, just a different nolo | 07:42 |
| rm_you | i asked that about two hours ago, but i just did it, and it appeared to work | 07:42 |
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| KotCzarny | how can i flash original initfs ? | 07:42 |
| KotCzarny | just in case? | 07:42 |
| rm_you | dunno? but it worked find | 07:42 |
| rm_you | *fine | 07:42 |
| rm_you | prolly just reflash your image | 07:42 |
| johnx | with nokia flasher | 07:42 |
| johnx | you can just tell it to flash just the initfs | 07:43 |
| johnx | that thing has like a million options... | 07:43 |
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| KotCzarny | uff. booted. | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | [ 60.140625] JFFS2 notice: (628) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0c1d34ac: read 0xc60c18d4, calculated 0x3fe6e244. | 08:08 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 08:08 |
| johnx | well that doesn't sound too awesome | 08:08 |
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| KotCzarny | at least it booted | 08:09 |
| johnx | jffs2 emits some really scary messages that aren't errors per se | 08:10 |
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| Tama^2 | KotCzarny: [ 60.140625] JFFS2 notice: (628) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0c1d34ac: read 0xc60c18d4, calculated 0x3fe6e244. | 08:24 |
| Tama^2 | did you reboot? or has it crashed? | 08:24 |
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| KotCzarny | i have rebooted after flashing new initfs | 08:24 |
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| Tama^2 | that means that a write was interrupted | 08:25 |
| KotCzarny | humm | 08:25 |
| Tama^2 | and it's likely to be harmless | 08:25 |
| johnx | did you issue "reboot" from the command line? | 08:25 |
| KotCzarny | johnx: yes, flashing script did that | 08:26 |
| johnx | hmm...I wonder if reboot acts differently than shutdown -r now on ITOS | 08:26 |
| KotCzarny | could be | 08:26 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/32295#32295 | 08:26 |
| KotCzarny | anyone tried that? | 08:26 |
| johnx | I haven't, but I imagine that someone has | 08:30 |
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| KotCzarny | i'm willing to try | 08:31 |
| cLin^ | so who uses irssi and wants tot ell me how to msg someone on one network when you are in another | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | anyone knows what osso-patch level is used in os2008 ? | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | for kernel | 08:33 |
| johnx | not off the top of my head | 08:33 |
| KotCzarny | how can i check? | 08:33 |
| johnx | check the source version maybe? | 08:34 |
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| KotCzarny | on the running kernel? | 08:34 |
| johnx | dunno | 08:34 |
| johnx | uname -a doesn't help | 08:34 |
| johnx | maybe if you explode the FIASCO image? maybe something in there mentions the full kernel version? | 08:35 |
| johnx | 2.6.18 was used with OS2007 so 2.6.21 must be for OS2008 | 08:36 |
| johnx | and this is from after 50-2 was released | 08:36 |
| johnx | it's *probably* for 50-2 | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | 2.6.21-omap1 | 08:36 |
| KotCzarny | but no -osso patch level | 08:37 |
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| johnx | yeah | 08:37 |
| johnx | I would assume it works | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | <bold>oh, well, i'll hack it myself</bold> | 08:39 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | locking to 400/133 would make sense | 08:45 |
| KotCzarny | when cpu is set to 330/220 gpu clock is lowered | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | from 66 to 55 | 08:46 |
| KotCzarny | same for usb | 08:46 |
| sxpert | so, it's vulnerable to vmsplice ;-) | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:50 |
| sxpert | we need 2.6.24.2 in there :-) | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | or just a patch | 08:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:50 |
| sxpert | and a better gps firmware... | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | that would have higher chance of happening ;) | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | bt gps | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | that's why n810 is inferior to n800 | 08:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:51 |
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| sxpert | KotCzarny, can probably be software fixed, as in storing the almanach within the device when stopping the gps | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:52 |
| KotCzarny | never used gps anyway | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | but maemo-mapper is great | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 08:53 |
| sxpert | then when you start the bloody fake-gps again, feed the almanach to the chip again | 08:53 |
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| sxpert | yeah, the gps is pretty crappy though. | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if I/O scheduler would help anything | 08:53 |
| KotCzarny | right now it's no-op | 08:53 |
| * sxpert hopes nokia comes to their senses and junk that ti chip and put a proper sirfstar3 in there | 08:54 | |
| KotCzarny | money | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | money | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | money | 08:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:54 |
| sxpert | I call bullshit on that one | 08:54 |
| sxpert | considering the thing is 500 eur already | 08:54 |
| * KotCzarny got n800 for 150$ | 08:54 | |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:55 |
| sxpert | yeah yeah | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | 400$ would make a great accessories | 08:55 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:55 |
| sxpert | so, 100 eur for that n800 ? | 08:56 |
| sxpert | that was cheap | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | yup. | 08:56 |
| sxpert | the usd ain't worth crap these das | 08:56 |
| sxpert | days | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | there are many of them for ~200$ | 08:56 |
| sxpert | ebay I suppose | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | the only problem would be getting them without paying vat | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:56 |
| KotCzarny | nope, craigslist | 08:56 |
| sxpert | whatever :-) | 08:56 |
| sxpert | as for vat, it's only a matter of proper packaging | 08:57 |
| KotCzarny | ebay is *blargh* | 08:57 |
| sxpert | just have to write the proper things on the customs form | 08:57 |
| sxpert | "one forgotten N800 on the return path to it's rightful owner" | 08:58 |
| sxpert | voila, no vat | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | n800 sounds expensive. let's put 800E on it | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:58 |
| sxpert | wouldn't work like this here. | 08:58 |
| sxpert | ain't .ru or .pl | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | be? | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 08:59 |
| sxpert | fr | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | i see you on gstreamer | 08:59 |
| sxpert | yeah | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | have you hacked it, maybe? | 08:59 |
| sxpert | well sort of | 08:59 |
| sxpert | been hacking with it on and off | 08:59 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 09:00 |
| sxpert | gotta run to the shower | 09:00 |
| KotCzarny | go go | 09:00 |
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| sxpert | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/04/0241218 | 09:16 |
| sxpert | haha... that's soo erh... funny | 09:17 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:17 |
| * johnx had to screw around with patching servers the last time they monkeyed around with DST | 09:18 | |
| sxpert | apparently, the logical thing to do would be to do away with this crap entirely | 09:18 |
| Tama^2 | mmm slashdot | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | umkay | 09:19 |
| Tama^2 | I do not recall the last time they liked something scientifically worth reading xD | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | gonna flasz the kernel | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | wish me luck | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | *flash | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | Kernel flashed, reboot to make it active. | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | that was fast | 09:20 |
| Tama^2 | :) | 09:20 |
| Tama^2 | did you roll your own? | 09:20 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 09:20 |
| sxpert | there, bricked :-) | 09:20 |
| Tama^2 | lol | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | we will see in a few moments | 09:21 |
| Tama^2 | what did you do to it? | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | fanoush script | 09:21 |
| sxpert | "oh shit, I flashed the kernel over the boot loader" | 09:21 |
| Tama^2 | the clockspeed one? | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 09:21 |
| KotCzarny | he removed the kernel | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | so i hacked it myself | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | yes. rebooted. | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | let's do some tests | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:23 |
| sxpert | *KP* | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | kp? | 09:23 |
| sxpert | kernel panic :-) | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | not yet | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:23 |
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| johnx | well I managed a custom kernel with video problems, let's see if you can at least manage some sound problems :D | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 09:24 |
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| sxpert | he'll have some wifi problems, no doubt | 09:24 |
| KotCzarny | http://allegro.pl/item315157172_152_wzmacniacz_antenowy_gold_edit_gsm.html | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | signal booster | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | doh. | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:25 |
| sxpert | bullshit | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;)) | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | i know it, you know it | 09:25 |
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| KotCzarny | people still buy it | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | (; | 09:25 |
| sxpert | people are so gullible... | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | Q: How do you shoot a blue elephant? | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | A: With a blue-elephant gun. | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | Q: How do you shoot a pink elephant? | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | A: Twist its trunk until it turns blue, then shoot it with | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | a blue-elephant gun. | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:28 |
| sxpert | in soviet russa the blue elephant shoots you | 09:30 |
| KotCzarny | there are elehpants? | 09:30 |
| Tama^2 | strange thing happening in that 'russa' place | 09:30 |
| Tama^2 | :P | 09:30 |
| sxpert | ya ya | 09:32 |
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| Tama^2 | da da | 09:33 |
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| KotCzarny | weird | 09:47 |
| KotCzarny | it's now capped at 330/220 | 09:48 |
| MegaTrousers | Is there any way to install aptitude on the N810? I thought it was standard on Debian based systems, but I guess I was mistaken. Is their a repository somewhere for Chinook? | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | even without tasks | 09:48 |
| Tama^2 | ah, you broke it :P | 09:48 |
| Tama^2 | xD | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | it works | 09:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:48 |
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| KotCzarny | but reverse than expected | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | let's hack some more | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 09:50 |
| leif__ | MegaTrousers, there was an incomplete port of synaptic in 2006, but I haven't seen anything recently | 09:51 |
| leif__ | the Application manager's red pill mode might do whatever it is you want to do | 09:52 |
| leif__ | otherwise, apt-get will | 09:52 |
| MegaTrousers | Ah ok. I can't seem to get gpg to work either. Every time I try to search for a key, whether I explicitly specify a key server or not, I get gpg: no remote program execution supported | 09:52 |
| MegaTrousers | How do I enable red pill? | 09:52 |
| leif__ | http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html | 09:52 |
| Tama^2 | You try to make contact with the leader of an underground hacker group | 09:53 |
| MegaTrousers | Thanks. What I find weird is that none of the repos that come preinstalled have their gpg keys preinstalled as well. | 09:53 |
| Tama^2 | eventually someone will show up at your office with a phone | 09:53 |
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| Tama^2 | answer the phone and chicken out when asked to walk around the ledge on the 33rd floor | 09:54 |
| leif__ | MegaTrousers, security on ITOS is kind of nonexistent :( | 09:54 |
| MegaTrousers | Yes, it is pretty scary considering I'd like to travel with this thing. | 09:54 |
| Tama^2 | from there just fgo with the flow and it will be fine | 09:54 |
| sxpert | what version of flash exactly in os2008 ? | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | 9 | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 09:55 |
| sxpert | there's something wierd with meetic.com then :-( | 09:55 |
| sxpert | 'cuz it says "your flash is too old" | 09:56 |
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| timeless | it's a 9.0ish, not 9.4ish | 09:56 |
| sxpert | ah | 09:56 |
| timeless | if you want h323 it isn't there | 09:56 |
| timeless | and no one could officially tell you if or when such a thing would happen | 09:56 |
| sxpert | I don't think it uses that | 09:56 |
| timeless | one could speculate that it's obviously important | 09:56 |
| timeless | but... | 09:56 |
| sxpert | it's mostly a chat blah app that can do without | 09:57 |
| sxpert | I'll contact their support to see if they have any clue | 09:57 |
| MegaTrousers | leif__: Thanks for your help. | 09:57 |
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| leif__ | np | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | mmmm | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | works | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | let's test some more | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | mmmmmmkay | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | full screen vid, dspmp3task and 400/133 :> | 10:00 |
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| Tama^2 | mpe decoding could work @ 85Mhz as well | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | it sets 400/133 when using mp3tast | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | task | 10:06 |
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| KotCzarny | but anyway, it's doable | 10:06 |
| KotCzarny | and no skipping | 10:06 |
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| KotCzarny | now mplayer need to use it.. | 10:07 |
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| Tama^2 | I uninstalled adblock plus | 10:46 |
| * KotCzarny hacks mplayer | 10:47 | |
| Tama^2 | but it did not uninstall | 10:47 |
| Tama^2 | >.> | 10:47 |
| Tama^2 | liar | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | seriously | 10:47 |
| Tama^2 | not you, the package management system | 10:47 |
| Tama^2 | :P | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 10:47 |
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| Navi | Streaming youtube through mplayer is sexy | 10:57 |
| KotCzarny | sure, it works | 10:57 |
| wnd | and, imo, utterly pointless | 10:57 |
| Navi | pointless how? | 10:58 |
| wnd | as pointless as youtube is | 10:58 |
| Navi | :P | 10:58 |
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| Tama^2 | life is pointless | 11:02 |
| Tama^2 | everything is | 11:02 |
| Tama^2 | ask Marvin | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | pointers aren't | 11:02 |
| Tama^2 | unless they dangle | 11:02 |
| Tama^2 | and believe me.. they do! | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | then they are danglers | 11:02 |
| Tama^2 | I do not like the mental pictures that the verb 'dangle' evokes in my mind | 11:03 |
| Tama^2 | not a bit... | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:03 |
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| KotCzarny | dangle bells, dangle bells | 11:04 |
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| KotCzarny | ssvb :) | 11:11 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: hi, did I miss anything? :) | 11:12 |
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| KotCzarny | yes, i needed you :) | 11:12 |
| AD-N770 | Bon dia / good morning | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | i stuck cpu to 400/133 and now i'm trying get mplayer working | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | with mp3sink | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | can you help me? | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:13 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: removing checks which prevent using dspmp3sink should be quite simple | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but it fails to init | 11:16 |
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| KotCzarny | can you join #kotc ? | 11:18 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: have you removed checks both in 'ao_gst.c' and 'ad_dspmp3.c'? anyway grep for 'maemo_os_version_string' to find all version dependent checks | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | ah. | 11:19 |
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| KotCzarny | mmmm | 11:23 |
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| KotCzarny | mmmm.. smoothie | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | crispie... | 11:26 |
| * KotCzarny drools all over | 11:26 | |
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| KotCzarny | ssvb: i don't know why are you disabled it.. | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | seems to work.. | 11:32 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: try to seek in video and watch for lipsync issues, everything is described here: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1273&group_id=54&atid=269 | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | but without seeking? | 11:34 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: it should work fine without seeking :) but we need a reliable and enduser friendly application | 11:35 |
| KotCzarny | bah. | 11:35 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:35 |
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| KotCzarny | BENCHMARKn: disp: 208 (22.42 fps) drop: 5 (2%) total: 213 (22.96 fps) | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | that's WITH sound | 11:36 |
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| KotCzarny | on 720 x 448 @ 24fps vid | 11:36 |
| pupnik | what codec? | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | xvid | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | VIDEO: [XVID] 720x448 12bpp 23.976 fps 571.9 kbps (69.8 kbyte/s) | 11:37 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: I understand that, but the requirement to have a custom kernel and crippled seeking make it not very attractive for most of users in my opinion :) | 11:37 |
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| KotCzarny | um, i guess there will be the audience even then | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | mind you that the same vid manages only 15fps | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | with esd | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:38 |
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| KotCzarny | pretty worth it, isn't it? | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:38 |
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| KotCzarny | also the only kernel customization is a simple commenting out unwanted cpu mode | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | it can be done /proc or sys controllable :) | 11:39 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: that's a corner case, framerate drops suddenly and very fast when reaching hardware limitation | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb, 15fps vs 22fps | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | which one you would want to watch? | 11:40 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: you can't compare fps directly, increasing bitrate only a bit will make it unwatchable even with dspmp3sink | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | but still | 11:41 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: so I prefer transcoding so that there is some extra processing power left just in case | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | it makes many vids watchable when earilel they were not | 11:42 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: or encode video with B-frames | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | earlier | 11:42 |
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| KotCzarny | and i guess it will help with transcoded vids too | 11:42 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:43 |
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| ssvb | KotCzarny: there are still lots of things to optimize: IDCT, motion compensation (qpel and gmc are not optimized at all), and I see a good potential in lowres decoding | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | yes, lowres decoding is available even now | 11:44 |
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| KotCzarny | it's fixed in .25 | 11:44 |
| ssvb | using lowres decoding will make almost any random DIVX/XVID video watchable on the device | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | but man, watching at full res | 11:44 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: it is fixed, but not optimized yet | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | see it once | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | you won't be looking again at lowres :> | 11:45 |
| ssvb | also a lot of people want h264 and AAC now | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | aactask is available | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 11:46 |
| hrw | I want to watch lord of the rings on n810 | 11:46 |
| ssvb | btw, passthrough decoder for AAC will be more difficult than MP3 | 11:46 |
| hrw | 1920x900 one | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: why? | 11:46 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: try it ;) | 11:47 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: I explained it somewhere on ITT, may try to look for a link | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:47 |
| hrw | VIDEO: [XVID] 1920x800 12bpp 23.976 fps 4946.9 kbps (603.9 kbyte/s) | 11:48 |
| hrw | AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 448.0 kbit/29.17% (ratio: 56000->192000) | 11:48 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: lord of the rings sucks | 11:48 |
| KotCzarny | film and book too | 11:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:48 |
| hrw | thats your opinion | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | not only mine | 11:49 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: stay with Jan Brzechwa then | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | if you want | 11:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:50 |
| KotCzarny | i would stay where i like | 11:50 |
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| Tama^2 | rebbot loop\ | 12:22 |
| Tama^2 | yay | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | rebbbit | 12:22 |
| Tama^2 | :/ | 12:23 |
| Tama^2 | not again | 12:23 |
| Tama^2 | I did nothing | 12:23 |
| hrw | is it possible to switch n810 hw keyboard layout without using controlpanel? | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | tama: overload? | 12:23 |
| Tama^2 | installed telepathy | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | Build/Strategic/Queen_Command.c:377: internal compiler error: in extract_insn, at recog.c:2083 | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | queen is evil! | 12:25 |
| KotCzarny | (ja2) | 12:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:25 |
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| Tama^2 | re flashed.... what a pita | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 12:39 |
| aquatix | hey alextreme | 12:40 |
| alextreme | :) | 12:42 |
| aquatix | yay, scp rocks | 12:47 |
| aquatix | always nice when standard tools just work(tm) on a handheld | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | aquatix: sshfs is even better | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:48 |
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| hrw | KotCzarny: but require fuse modules which are not present on tablets | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | not true | 12:52 |
| KotCzarny | -rw-rw-r-- 1 1003 102 47460 Mar 2 13:20 /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko | 12:53 |
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| hrw | not on my n810 | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | if you're limited not even open source can help | 12:59 |
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| hrw | KotCzarny: ;) | 12:59 |
| hrw | but that reminded me that I had to update n8x0 config | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | just grab sdk and compile it yourself, or google for packages | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | i have seen them in .debs too | 13:01 |
| hrw | I urinate on maemo sdk | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | it's your problem | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | works great for me | 13:01 |
| jku | hrw, if I remember correctly, you haven't even tried it :) | 13:01 |
| hrw | I use OpenEmbedded to build maemo stuff | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | whatever floats your boat | 13:01 |
| hrw | jku: I had enough scary stories from OH guys about it | 13:02 |
| ynezz | I don't want to try SBox, I'm lazy also :) | 13:06 |
| KotCzarny | lazy to run 2 scripts? | 13:06 |
| ynezz | to build 1500 packages? | 13:07 |
| ynezz | in OE itworks fine as 'bitbake maemo-image-ynezz' and build complete feed | 13:07 |
| ynezz | shit | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | why should you? | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | it doesn't builds anything | 13:07 |
| ynezz | ok | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | *build | 13:07 |
| KotCzarny | simply downloads precompiled packages | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | in the same way debian does | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:08 |
| ynezz | from where? | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | __url=http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | and scratchbox from: | 13:10 |
| KotCzarny | __download_source_deb=http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/branches/apophis/r4/deb | 13:10 |
| sKaBoy | or use install scripts, much easier | 13:10 |
| ynezz | I mean packages for device | 13:10 |
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| KotCzarny | same repo | 13:10 |
| jku | KotCzarny, they haven't been tested to work without conflicts on device | 13:11 |
| jku | usually do, but still... | 13:11 |
| ynezz | maybe you misunderstand me, where is there for example vim package? | 13:11 |
| KotCzarny | define 'conflicts' | 13:11 |
| KotCzarny | ynezz, deeper in the tree | 13:12 |
| ynezz | i'm blind | 13:12 |
| jku | KotCzarny, it's not guaranteed that a package in SDK repo does not conflict with a system package on device | 13:12 |
| KotCzarny | if you want to play so safe just wait for os2009 | 13:14 |
| ynezz | KotCzarny: pls, can you give me URL of .deb packages repository I can put on my N810 so I can install Vim? | 13:15 |
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| KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | deb file:/home/sbox/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0.1 chinook explicit | 13:15 |
| KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras chinook free non-free | 13:15 |
| ynezz | I've those already | 13:15 |
| hrw | 500 http://mg.pov.lt chinook/experimental Packages | 13:15 |
| hrw | 500 http://mg.pov.lt chinook/user Packages | 13:15 |
| hrw | those two has vim 7.0 | 13:16 |
| jku | KotCzarny, I do install stuff from SDK repo if I need something, just wanted to point out that they are not "packages for the device", they just usually work... | 13:16 |
| ynezz | thanks | 13:17 |
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| KotCzarny | jku: what's the difference? | 13:17 |
| KotCzarny | software from nokia has more bugs than oss | 13:18 |
| KotCzarny | usually because it had less testing | 13:18 |
| KotCzarny | so i don't see your point as valid | 13:18 |
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| jku | Kotzarny, these packages are made for the SDK not for ITOS | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | works for me | 13:21 |
| jku | I didn't say they didn't | 13:21 |
| KotCzarny | then what's your point? | 13:22 |
| jku | point 1: using SDK packages on device is fine. Point 2: advising users to use SDK repositories on device without explaining the situation is wrong | 13:23 |
| KotCzarny | if you aim for corporate/commercial use, then yes | 13:24 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise one can 1/ don't fiddle, 2/ reflash and start again | 13:24 |
| jku | so conflicting packages is ok by your standards? | 13:24 |
| KotCzarny | i'm used to slackware | 13:24 |
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| hrw | so you are used to lack of packaging or lack of deps | 13:27 |
| KotCzarny | never had any problem with it | 13:27 |
| jku | then everything must be fine | 13:27 |
| KotCzarny | if i get stuck so bad that i can't remember what package has particular file i just grep MANIFEST.gz | 13:28 |
| jku | incidentally, I think the repository naming was unfortunate: we have repository.maemo.org and repository.maemo.org/extras | 13:28 |
| jku | it sounds like the forst one is an official one and the second is an optional one | 13:29 |
| KotCzarny | life, now fix it or get over it | 13:29 |
| pupnik | jku, that is correct | 13:29 |
| pupnik | third parties can upload packages to extras | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | hi pupnik | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:30 |
| jku | pupnik, yeah but it's not obvious that the first one is a SDK repository, not meant for devices | 13:30 |
| pupnik | oh ok | 13:30 |
| KotCzarny | great | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | so sdk is not meant to produce packages for device | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 13:31 |
| jku | yes it is meant exactly for that | 13:31 |
| jku | ? | 13:31 |
| KotCzarny | if following your logic then it's not | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | i see it as a kind of emulation | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | to not crosscompile | 13:32 |
| KotCzarny | it's like booting vmware/windows and creating execs in it | 13:33 |
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| jku | sigh. SDK repository is meant to be used in the SDK. You can build packages for the devices in the SDK. Not difficult or contradictory at all. | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | sdk emulates the device. | 13:34 |
| KotCzarny | complete with it's x server | 13:34 |
| KotCzarny | pupnik: have you seen my results? :> | 13:35 |
| pupnik | i saw - very good | 13:36 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:36 |
| pupnik | so you used 1) kernel patch for high speed dsp, 2) gst mp3 and 3) special mencoder settings? | 13:37 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 13:37 |
| pupnik | perhaps you could summarize on a post on ITT or maemo wiki | 13:37 |
| KotCzarny | only kernel patch to disable high speed dsp and unlock gst in mplayer | 13:37 |
| pupnik | do you have a mplayer binary to share? | 13:38 |
| pupnik | oh nm... i don't want to patch my kernel | 13:38 |
| KotCzarny | sure, but it's only a 2 points delete | 13:38 |
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| KotCzarny | pupnik: it's not that bad | 13:38 |
| KotCzarny | i simply replaced the profile that would switch kernel to 330/220 with one from 400/130 | 13:39 |
| KotCzarny | otherwise unchanged | 13:39 |
| pupnik | does that require a whole new kernel? | 13:39 |
| KotCzarny | whole? | 13:39 |
| pupnik | new kernel, or kernel module, or echo xyz > proc/?? | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | it can be modularized i guess | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | but it's much more work that way | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | ie. if you don't want to reflash | 13:41 |
| Tama^2 | that policy stuff should really be exposed under /sys | 13:41 |
| inz | isn't it 'nuff to tell kernel to use performance governor? | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | tama: it is, partially | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | inz: nope | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | because it can switch to 330/220 | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | even at highest performance level | 13:41 |
| Tama^2 | you can read stuff back but cannot set profiles | 13:41 |
| Delio | ò.ő | 13:45 |
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| hrw | argh. | 13:54 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia flash scheme | 13:54 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia flash scheme ! | 13:54 |
| hrw | crap | 13:55 |
| hrw | fscking crap | 13:55 |
| Delio | you mean FIASCO image? | 13:55 |
| hrw | no - method used for flashing | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mpu_h/ | 13:56 |
| hrw | unplug cables, power off, plug usb, power on, pray that flasher will start | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | if anyone wants to test low dsp speed profile | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | hrw: flash from within the device | 13:56 |
| hrw | KotCzarny: how? | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | use http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs | 13:58 |
| Delio | I will try it, kot | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | i have flashed bootloader and kernel today | 13:58 |
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| KotCzarny | i won't touch the rootfs though because i'm planning to move it to sd card anyway | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | it will be my failsafe then | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:59 |
| inz | hrw, I've not had any trouble with flashing | 14:01 |
| hrw | inz: I lack non-hub usb ports | 14:02 |
| hrw | half of mainboard usb ports stopped working already | 14:02 |
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| hrw | KotCzarny: thx again - it worked | 14:09 |
| hrw | Nokia-N810-50-2:~# cat /proc/filesystems |wc | 14:09 |
| hrw | 27 50 327 | 14:09 |
| hrw | ext2/ext3/fuse in kernel now | 14:09 |
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| inz | hrw, ahh, that might be a problem | 14:10 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 14:10 |
| KotCzarny | btw. what's the limit for a kernel image? 2mb? | 14:10 |
| hrw | 2MB | 14:11 |
| hrw | mine has 1.9 | 14:11 |
| hrw | -rw-r--r-- 1 hrw hrw 1939912 Mar 4 12:13 zImage-2.6.21-osso71-nokia800-20080304110918 | 14:11 |
| hrw | ext2, ext3, fuse, nfs, cifs added into kernel | 14:11 |
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| KotCzarny | Machine: Nokia N800 | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | Memory policy: ECC disabled, Data cache writeback | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | can it be reenabled or it's non-ecc ? | 14:12 |
| inz | hrw, maybe you should consider modules?-) | 14:12 |
| hrw | inz: what for? | 14:12 |
| hrw | inz: there is 2MB for kernel. my kernel still fits there | 14:13 |
| inz | hrw, if you need som'n more in the kernel | 14:13 |
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| KotCzarny | one can always put ppp into modules | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:13 |
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| KotCzarny | ok, bed time, bbl | 14:20 |
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| hrw | bye KotCzarny | 14:22 |
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| hrw | mount.cifs is not present in maemo repos too? | 14:25 |
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| hrw | alix.lan:/srv/nfs/sources 34.3G 14.3G 18.3G 44% /mnt | 14:35 |
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| pupnik | the freshmaker! | 14:47 |
| lcuk | hi ppl, quick question (im at work) i know its possible to boot from my sd card, but can i take a full backup of my current filesystem onto my mem card and restore it if i ever have to re-flash? | 14:57 |
| lcuk | ie straight after a flash operation just run my restoreall script and it will unzip everything and replace entire disk - or is this not possible because bits in use and mmc2 is mounted etc | 14:58 |
| lcuk | im not on about a partial backup/restore cycle that the backup tool does | 14:58 |
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| * pupnik puts on Alan Parsons, "You can't take it with you" | 15:00 | |
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| lcuk | havin a lazy day pupnik or are you beavering away | 15:01 |
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| pupnik | trying to figure out problems with xkbd | 15:05 |
| pupnik | right now dosbox isn't very usable for n800 owners on OS2008 due to xkbd problems | 15:06 |
| pupnik | when yoda said "there is no 'try' - just 'do'" i don't think he was talking about amateur programming | 15:07 |
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| sp3000 | yeah, clearly there's both try and do, not to mention catch and while | 15:11 |
| pupnik | :D | 15:11 |
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| pupnik | excellent | 15:11 |
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| inz | sp, there's no try in C | 15:14 |
| inz | sp, with C you can only do | 15:14 |
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| sp3000 | true | 15:22 |
| sp3000 | C is the language of the jedi | 15:22 |
| lcuk | nahhh, a jedi codes with his mind. the power of the force moves the bits into rebelion against the evil microsith | 15:24 |
| inz | But that works only on computers that have weak minds | 15:25 |
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| lcuk | r u saying the force is just a hook for some cheesy cult? | 15:25 |
| lcuk | cos they only work on weak minds | 15:26 |
| inz | The Jedi mind tricks only work on weak minds too | 15:26 |
| lcuk | nahhh, i bet it would work on pres. bush. ohhhhh i see | 15:27 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:54 |
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| lopz | hola | 15:56 |
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| thux | hi, just bought n800 and flashed os2008 in it, but for some reason basic programs doesn't work, like screen or irssi? irssi tells : NO WINDOWS: -!- Irssi: Invalid charset: CP1252 setupterm() failed for TERM=xterm: 0 Can't initialize screen handling, quitting. | 16:20 |
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| pupnik | thux: what repo did you get irssi from? | 16:21 |
| pupnik | and version? apt-cache show irssi | 16:21 |
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| thux | pupnik: form internet tablet forum I check version | 16:22 |
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| mgedmin | thux: gconv in maemo is compiled without cp1252 support | 16:25 |
| mgedmin | there's a bug filed in maemo.org about this | 16:25 |
| mgedmin | can you configure irssi to use some other charset | 16:26 |
| mgedmin | ? | 16:26 |
| mgedmin | perhaps something actually sane, like utf-8? | 16:26 |
| thux | mgedmin: I can try if it opens | 16:26 |
| thux | pupnik: Version: 0.8.12-1 | 16:27 |
| mgedmin | I also wonder if you've got ncurses-base installed | 16:27 |
| thux | i check | 16:27 |
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| thux | mgedmin: i didn't have will install it now | 16:28 |
| mgedmin | if it fixes irssi, then irssi should depend on it | 16:28 |
| thux | wonder why dpkg didn't complain from missing ncurses | 16:29 |
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| mgedmin | why should it? if irssi doesn't say it depends on it | 16:32 |
| mgedmin | ncurses-base has all those terminfo files describing xterm control sequences | 16:32 |
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| mgedmin | I think it might be an essential package on debian, thus always installed and not mentioned in the dependencies | 16:32 |
| thux | ok | 16:34 |
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| aquatix | hm, no TTLS/PAP on OS2008? | 16:34 |
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| aquatix | now i can't login on my university's wifi :/ | 16:34 |
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| jumpula | ncurses-base is debian essential | 16:35 |
| jumpula | curiously enough, at least n800 didn't have it in the base installation | 16:35 |
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| thux | thanks irssi started to work | 16:40 |
| thux | what about screen, is it permission problem with it? | 16:40 |
| * aquatix voted for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635 | 16:41 | |
| script | aquatix: no, sadly none | 16:42 |
| script | aquatix: but here an MSCHAPv2 alternative is working | 16:42 |
| jumpula | thux: screen need ncurses-base as well | 16:42 |
| jumpula | but the version in the repository has ncurses-base in it's dependencies | 16:42 |
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| aquatix | script: it wouldn't quite work here with that scheme | 16:43 |
| * aquatix can try again though | 16:43 | |
| thux | jumpula: yes thanks it seems to work now too | 16:44 |
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| aquatix | script: MSCHAPv2 or EAP MSCHAPv2? | 16:49 |
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| script | aquatix: depends on what your university *might* have implemented ... | 16:50 |
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| epx | hi, I am looking for a way to force a connection to be closed | 17:02 |
| epx | in order to my application to connect to another access point via conic | 17:02 |
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| epx | I tried d-bus icd disconnect message but it does not suffice (the former connection is not dropped) | 17:02 |
| ynezz | what's conic? | 17:03 |
| epx | libconic, a high-level connectivity library | 17:03 |
| epx | to avoid using dbus messages | 17:03 |
| ynezz | ah | 17:03 |
| ynezz | ifconfig wlan0 down? | 17:03 |
| epx | if I drop connection via UI, then my app can connect to any AP it wants | 17:04 |
| epx | I think there must be a more civilized way :) | 17:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jolouis's OTG adaptors work perfectly. | 17:05 |
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| epx | sorry | 17:06 |
| aquatix | ooh, does he make them himself? | 17:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, I believe he buys the adaptors and grounds the appropriate wire. | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, yeah. | 17:18 |
| aquatix | and he sells them? | 17:18 |
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| * aquatix wants to try making one himself | 17:19 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 17:19 |
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| ynezz | I'm going to make one with some micro switch, on = OTG, grounded, off = USB | 17:19 |
| aquatix | hm | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not much point. | 17:20 |
| aquatix | GeneralAntilles: saves taking another cable with you | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | How? | 17:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you're in client, you need a female-to-male adaptor. | 17:21 |
| aquatix | by having a normal usb and an otg one in one | 17:21 |
| aquatix | ah, hm | 17:21 |
| aquatix | good point | 17:21 |
| ynezz | yep | 17:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | aquatix, that doesn't make any sense. :P | 17:21 |
| aquatix | my thoughts are somewhere else :) | 17:21 |
| * aquatix gets another coffee | 17:21 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | You'd need a male-a to male-a, which I don't even think they make. | 17:22 |
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| ynezz | they do | 17:22 |
| ynezz | http://www.usbfirewire.com/uconverters.html | 17:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Which doesn't save you a cable. | 17:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | and you still need an extender on the other end. | 17:23 |
| ynezz | you're right | 17:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Aside from the hack-factor, it's really kinda pointless. | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better off just carrying a mini-b to female a OTG adaptor and the bundled cable. | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Silverlight coming to the tablets? | 17:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . interesting. | 17:24 |
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| dragorn | GeneralAntilles: mini-a male to standard-a male? | 17:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, a-male to a-male. | 17:25 |
| dragorn | Ah. They make them, sure, I don't know where to get them offhand | 17:25 |
| dragorn | 2.5" USB hard drive kits often come with them | 17:25 |
| aquatix | Gender Changer - A Female to Mini-B Male <- will that one fit in the n810? | 17:25 |
| dragorn | that's where mine came from | 17:26 |
| dragorn | aquatix: no | 17:26 |
| dragorn | aquatix: the n810 isn't mini-usb, it's micro-usb | 17:26 |
| aquatix | n810 is even smaller | 17:26 |
| aquatix | yeah, thought so | 17:26 |
| aquatix | k, thanks | 17:26 |
| dragorn | There are micro-usb things out there, though I haven't seen gender changers. I found a micro-usb-a cable on amazon for $7, ordered a pile of them, and just soldered my own ends on the other side | 17:26 |
| dragorn | Most things with an OTG cable are going to be male-male since it's meant for single devices to talk to eachother | 17:27 |
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| aquatix | hm | 17:28 |
| aquatix | but having a microUSB-male - usb-female OTG cable would be useful | 17:29 |
| aquatix | then you can plug in whatever you like | 17:29 |
| dragorn | yeah, get yourself a $0.30 coupler | 17:29 |
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| dragorn | or a male-female extension cable, and some soldering time | 17:30 |
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| cyberholic | Hi Everyone, wish you a pleasant day :) | 17:49 |
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| cyberholic | anyone in here? | 17:51 |
| cyberholic | i am.... anyone in here alive? :) | 17:51 |
| pupnik | hi cyberholic | 17:51 |
| pupnik | new tweaked xkbd and dosbox builds over at pupnik.de | 17:52 |
| cyberholic | hello pupnik :) ... i am having a question about developing a DEB files, can you help me? | 17:52 |
| pupnik | i will try | 17:52 |
| cyberholic | pupnik: does dosbox mean, you emulated dos? | 17:52 |
| pupnik | no the dosbox developers did - i just helped bring it to the tablet | 17:52 |
| cyberholic | NOW i love you :) | 17:53 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html dosbox 0.72 with new xkbd | 17:53 |
| cyberholic | wich version is it? 6.x? | 17:53 |
| pupnik | 7.2 cvs+ | 17:53 |
| cyberholic | AWESOME! i mean, i finished at something like 5.x but noticed years later that the community continued devloping it after it was declared as "Dead" by i can not remember anymore whom it was | 17:54 |
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| pupnik | I recommend using a bluetooth keyboard with dosbox though. | 17:55 |
| cyberholic | pupnik: if i download it... i own a n800 bis os2008 on it. shall i download the os2008.de or the Repo Install file? ... i am not much into linux, so i do not know wich one to install. | 17:56 |
| pupnik | install the deb. if you want you can also install rubybox frontend | 17:56 |
| cyberholic | what is a rubybox frontend? do not answer if this may take too long :) | 17:57 |
| pupnik | rubybox needs ruby installed. to install ruby click on the ruby install link | 17:57 |
| cyberholic | But what is ruby? | 17:57 |
| pupnik | rubybox is a brand new dosbox game launcher and configuration tool | 17:57 |
| pupnik | ruby is a programming language | 17:57 |
| cyberholic | ah! thanks. got it now! | 17:57 |
| cyberholic | *haha* funny! Rubybox simulates the sblaster!!!! I had nightmares with my soundblaster cards and configuring the jumpers as i also had a hand-scanner on my AT desktop :) | 17:59 |
| cyberholic | pupnik: looooooks sooooo GREAT! Can it only be handled with the bluetooth keyboard? | 18:00 |
| pupnik | It can also be run with xkbd | 18:00 |
| onion | yay, glxgears gives 10fps on the N810 | 18:00 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html | 18:00 |
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| pupnik | please tell me if you have problems cyberholic, it is a brand new build | 18:01 |
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| pupnik | you've run opengl apps with mesa on your pc onion? | 18:02 |
| cyberholic | pupnik: well at the moment it looks awesome! The problem is, like i just said, that i do not know very much about the linux system. So at the moment i would not even know where to upload games or ... NORTON COMMANDER *griiiiiiiiiin* to use it :) .... but i am more and more getting into linux. | 18:02 |
| pupnik | put the games on your internal or external memory card, in a directory called DOS | 18:03 |
| cyberholic | cool, thanks! what kind of processor is the dosbox emulating? My first pc was a 386 | 18:03 |
| pupnik | it is too slow for most 386 games. it can run most pre-1990 games ok | 18:04 |
| unixSnob | dosbox supports like 2 or 3 thousand games.. warcraft 2 is one of them (not pre-90s) | 18:05 |
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| unixSnob | so is that list of supported games a teaser | 18:06 |
| onion | pupnik: yes? | 18:06 |
| pupnik | onion: well then you know that software opengl is useless | 18:07 |
| skibur | chimx | 18:07 |
| cyberholic | pupnik: thanks a lot, this tool brought a big smile on my face and a lot of past moments back into my brain :) | 18:08 |
| pupnik | you're welcome :) | 18:08 |
| onion | pupnik: yes, but what other software 3D stacks are there ? | 18:08 |
| cyberholic | I would like to ask a question to everyone: i do not know much about linux, DEB or INSTALL files. So my question is this.... Can a DEB file be compared like a .BAT file in DOS? | 18:09 |
| onion | pupnik: that has somekind of gtk bindings | 18:09 |
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| pupnik | general purpose 3d is slow. games that do 3d in software have limited engines specific to their needs. Some 3d games that run fast are Doom*, Descent2, Quake1/2, Duke NUkem, Warzone2100 | 18:10 |
| pupnik | Also there are some independent 3d engines designed for arm, for e.g. Yeti3D | 18:10 |
| pupnik | Oh | 18:11 |
| onion | pupnik: well, I'm not thinking about a game | 18:11 |
| pupnik | ok i see - gui stuff | 18:11 |
| onion | pupnik: just some simple textured quads | 18:12 |
| cyberholic | pupnik: can you tell me if a DEB file can be compared to a .BAT dos file? | 18:14 |
| pupnik | a deb is like a .zip file with an integrated .bat file that handles part of the install | 18:15 |
| pupnik | that *can have* integrated helper batchfiles | 18:15 |
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| cyberholic | ok. thanks :) my hope was that the deb file can have some kind of link so that a SWF (flash) file will be automaticly opend with the browser. In Example: webbrowser.deb -thefile.swf | 18:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/ultimatelaptop.jpg | 18:17 |
| jaska_ | too new keyboard | 18:18 |
| texel | GeneralAntilles: you, sir, are insane. =o) | 18:18 |
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| kaatis | GeneralAntilles, nice keyboard, is that IBM Model M? | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unicomp Model M | 18:19 |
| derf | It has Windows keys. | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | pckeyboard.com | 18:19 |
| derf | It can't be IBM. | 18:19 |
| kaatis | iirc they made some with windows keys | 18:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The guys that got the patents from Lexmark. | 18:19 |
| texel | kaatis: you sure about that? I've been around PS/2s since forever, and I never saw a Model M with windows keys. O.o | 18:20 |
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| kaatis | cyberholic, .deb file is not executable, it's meant to be installed with packaging tools. it's more like contents and declaration how to install them | 18:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | A bit like .pkg on OS X. | 18:21 |
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| kaatis | texel, not sure about that. but I'm happy to have secured lifetime supply of finnish layout model m's :) | 18:23 |
| texel | Hehehe | 18:24 |
| cyberholic | thanks a lot! As i do not know how to write my own browser-application (by embedding the mbrowser stuff, for example) i thought i could force a file to be opend with the browser automaticly | 18:24 |
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| cyberholic | Can i ask you guys about a small solution for an idea i have? | 18:27 |
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| kaatis | cyberholic, if you want a browser based application then maybe just add a .desktop shortcut which starts the browser pointing at your application | 18:29 |
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| cyberholic | kaatis: the question is: where shall i put that shortcut (folder) and what if the shortcut is not on the web, but localy? ..... for example: some of you already checked out my clock and calender and timer aplication at http://www.cyberholic.de/maemo/ .... what if i want this aplication to be offline on the device? | 18:31 |
| cyberholic | I am ready the maemo "how to write new applications"... tutorial on maemo.org...... do i understand it right, that i can develop the aplication directly on the device with maemopad? | 18:31 |
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| kaatis | cyberholic, you don't. | 18:34 |
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| kaatis | cyberholic, url can point also to file://... | 18:35 |
| cyberholic | kaatis: thanks! That would mean, i would have to code a .DEB File that create a directory called, for example, CYBERHOLIC and copy the .SWF file in there. And then a .desktop shortcut to this one...... but can i script that directly with maemopad? | 18:38 |
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| kaatis | cyberholic, something like that. maemopad is really useful in this. see Debian New Maintainers' Guide http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ | 18:40 |
| kaatis | mean to say isn't really useful | 18:41 |
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| cyberholic | kaatis: thanks a lot. I tried to find the maemopad application to install on my device, but i could only find maemopad+ and that seems not be the correct file. Can you tell me where to get maemopad ? | 18:48 |
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| MangoFusion | GeneralAntilles: haha, nice laptop :) | 18:48 |
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| kaatis | cyberholic, the debian package is in repository.maemo.org , but there's similar text editor on the device. | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | There wouldn't happen to be a straightforward way of reading HFS+? | 18:57 |
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| Veggen | Hm. I wonder if I should start a backports repository ;) | 19:01 |
| texel | GeneralAntilles: From the device, or a computer? | 19:02 |
| Veggen | <---backported apt and newer application manager, yesterday. Successfully running on my tablet now. | 19:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | ITOS | 19:02 |
| texel | Veggen: What's the advantage of the newer app manager? | 19:03 |
| texel | GeneralAntilles: Hmm... You'd probably need to compile the kernel module for it, and then you could mount HFS disks... | 19:03 |
| texel | ...but I'm not sure if HFS+ is readable by Linux just yet. | 19:03 |
| texel | Last I checked, I was unable to. | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh really? | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh. | 19:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not particularly important, just wanted to try out my RAID with it. | 19:04 |
| Veggen | texel: actually, I got tempted by the fact that the long-version-name-bug was fixed. | 19:05 |
| Veggen | texel: current application manager shows the full version-string if space, possibly stealing all the space from the package name. It annoyed the heck out of me ;) | 19:06 |
| texel | Ahh. Yeah, that would annoy me as well. =op | 19:07 |
| texel | Though I haven't run into that problem yet. | 19:07 |
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| cyberholic | Oh, one question left i have: can i download the MAEMO logo anywhere as vector file? | 19:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's on their website | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | google maemo trademark | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's svg | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or: http://maemo.org/intro/trademarks/logos.html | 19:13 |
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| texel | Haha -- and it looks good in a Safari dashboard webclip, too. =op | 19:15 |
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| cyberholic | general: THANKS A LOT :) | 19:16 |
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| cyberholic | Maybe someone of you can be of help: if i want to open a local SWF (flash) file on my device, the browser does not open it and adds dozens of slashes (////////) like a loop.... any suggestion what this could be? | 19:33 |
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| cyberholic | ok... sorry people. solution found! I had flash turned off in the setting :( | 19:34 |
| Navi | lol | 19:34 |
| Navi | I pulled that one the other day. | 19:34 |
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| cyberholic | Navi: good to know that i am not the only one ;) | 19:40 |
| cyberholic | I thought it was a virus! .... LOOOOOOOOOOL | 19:40 |
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| Navi | >_> | 19:42 |
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| pupnik | whar. i just about doubled framerate in this game just now | 20:03 |
| pupnik | love those easy hacks | 20:03 |
| pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/927967 | 20:04 |
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| jaska_ | yet another watchdog reboot.. time to disable it i guess | 20:17 |
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| AD-N771 | dockdock: my n810 reboted join #jep | 20:27 |
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| jaska_ | hmm, enabled no-retu-wd and now it just powers down after a few seconds from boot | 20:33 |
| jaska_ | hooray | 20:33 |
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| kuriiri_ | jaska :) | 20:36 |
| jaska_ | kuurrre | 20:36 |
| jaska_ | my 810 is cursed :) | 20:36 |
| kuriiri_ | why did you play with it :D | 20:36 |
| kuriiri_ | mine works just fine :) | 20:36 |
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| jaska_ | uh i didnt | 20:37 |
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| jaska_ | it watchdogreboots when i do stuff for a while | 20:37 |
| kuriiri | i don't believe that | 20:37 |
| kuriiri | because i know you :D | 20:37 |
| jaska_ | already reflashed it and repartitioned the sd | 20:37 |
| jaska_ | well i was just browsing in application manager | 20:37 |
| jaska_ | and puuf | 20:37 |
| kuriiri | hmm | 20:37 |
| jaska_ | yes im going to do all sorts of weird things.. but first i need to get the damn thing to work | 20:38 |
| kuriiri | sounds weird | 20:38 |
| jaska_ | added no-omap-wd now | 20:38 |
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| jaska_ | hah.. again and again | 20:42 |
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| jaska_ | it just crashes if i disable the retu watchdog | 20:46 |
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| pupnik | oh a bunch of things would be faster if we had hardware 32bpp->16bpp | 21:09 |
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| konttori | any qt developers in here? | 21:10 |
| * konttori just saw the excellent qt4 port project: http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ | 21:10 | |
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| pupnik | hrm multiplying by a look-up table... | 21:17 |
| * mgedmin tries to imagine a lookup table for 32bpp -> 16bpp conversion | 21:18 | |
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| pupnik | well since there's only 5 or 6 bits that matter | 21:19 |
| pupnik | they make a 32x32 or 64x64 table for values | 21:20 |
| pupnik | and look em up to multiply pixel values | 21:20 |
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| pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/928033 | 21:20 |
| pupnik | used in some kind of blending i think | 21:20 |
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| spirytusick | evening everyone :) | 21:21 |
| pupnik | hey spirytusick | 21:21 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: hey :) nice to see you :) | 21:21 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: what you've been up to today ? | 21:21 |
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| pupnik | got a lot more speed out of 'nogravity' today | 21:22 |
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| pupnik | needs ui fixups and a.. well a real brain to look at it | 21:22 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: real brain, that would be you :) | 21:22 |
| pupnik | changed some .h files and some .ini variables and easily doubled framerate | 21:23 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: what is it oscilating at atm ? | 21:23 |
| pupnik | don't have a fps counter - 4-30 fps | 21:23 |
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| spirytusick | pupnik: impressive, as darth vader would have said... | 21:24 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: is it playable without a keyboard ? | 21:24 |
| pupnik | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/nogravity/ i made it through the first training level | 21:25 |
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| spirytusick | pupnik: so the sdl rendering is working ok! good to know | 21:25 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: dowloading your alpha, will have to check this out when my wife comes back and settles in front of tv :) | 21:26 |
| pupnik | my what | 21:26 |
| pupnik | oh that's sergio's version | 21:26 |
| pupnik | you need the nogravity shareware data too | 21:26 |
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| spirytusick | pupnik: understood, you just improving on it | 21:26 |
| pupnik | if you're downloding my version then GET OUT of my computer | 21:27 |
| pupnik | :) | 21:27 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: hehe :) will try sergio's one. Once yours is polished enought will you post it on your ArnimS corner ? :) | 21:28 |
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| pupnik | i'll post changes at least | 21:30 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: thanks | 21:30 |
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| spirytusick | pupnik: I will try to get alsa-oss to work this weekend. will have some spare time if nothing comes up | 21:30 |
| pupnik | that'd be cool .. should be possible. otherwise it's also possible to patch-on a different backend to these OSS programs | 21:31 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: it's probably a lost fight without knowing a lot about the tablet internals, but sometimes even a fool has a lucky day | 21:31 |
| pupnik | yes. someone on the mailing list has claimed success with esd-oss fyi | 21:31 |
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| spirytusick | pupnik: interesting, I want to get a module tracker working on the tablet . Got by C for idiots book but haven't got the time to spare atm, life sucks once one is 30... | 21:33 |
| lcuk | has anyone seen any c examples with bits of inline 2420 asm in them? | 21:33 |
| spirytusick | pupnik: work, home, family, sleep, work... | 21:33 |
| spirytusick | icuk: you might try contacting some devs from symbian side, I am sure they will be able to help out | 21:33 |
| spirytusick | icuk: try anotherguest, who ported picodrive and various emus to symbian, I bet he was using asm for at least some bits of his project | 21:34 |
| spirytusick | lcuk: you can also try with syntrax devs (that would rock on the tablet btw) ... | 21:35 |
| spirytusick | ok guys, gotta get the dinner sorted out... will see you later | 21:35 |
| lcuk | fair enough, but wouldnt they hang out in different channels and stuff - thx tho | 21:35 |
| MangoFusion | spirytusick: tried MilkyTracker? | 21:36 |
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| spirytusick | MangoFusion: not yet, there's an arm version but it will probably not workd straight out | 21:38 |
| spirytusick | ok gotta get down to it now guys... see you later | 21:38 |
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| pupnik | cheers spirytusick (eating too | 21:41 |
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| unixSnob | Any suggestions for podcast tools? Anyone tried gpodder or canola to get podcasts? | 22:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Both | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're both fine. | 22:29 |
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| unixSnob | cool.. i'll prolly try canola 1st.. seems to be pretty feature packed | 22:30 |
| KotCzarny | yawn | 22:33 |
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| Tama^2 | yawn | 22:42 |
| sxpert | wow... calypso chip doc leaked | 22:44 |
| sxpert | http://cryptome.org/ti-calypso1.pdf | 22:45 |
| sxpert | http://cryptome.org/ti-calypso2.pdf | 22:45 |
| unixSnob | I don't get why that doc would even be confidential and proprietary.. just looks like specs for their chip | 22:48 |
| sxpert | unixSnob, well. it's a GSM chip. I suppose your average provider don't want people mucking around their (already fragile by design) network | 22:49 |
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| sxpert | more importantly, it's the chip used in the openmoko :-) | 22:50 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 22:50 |
| unixSnob | So the openmoko crowd technically doesn't have this doc? They've benn working blind? | 22:50 |
| unixSnob | s/benn/been/ | 22:50 |
| infobot | unixSnob meant: So the openmoko crowd technically doesn't have this doc? They've been working blind? | 22:50 |
| sxpert | well, they've been issuing AT commands via a serial port | 22:51 |
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| unixSnob | guess we should download this before someone at ti discovers it :) | 22:52 |
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| sxpert | ain't going away now that it's at cryptome | 22:52 |
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| sxpert | I've never seen a file removed from there | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, unixSnob, that's always been my practice. | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Oh, leaked doc?" *download* | 22:54 |
| KotCzarny | your hdd will be leaking | 22:55 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No HDDs over here, just HDs. | 22:57 |
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| Yanker | heya, im sweeping through the maemomm tutorials and im looking at a include: #include <hildon-libs/*.h>... | 23:08 |
| Yanker | what are these hildon-libsmm? | 23:08 |
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| Yanker | i see a doc: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/reference/hildon-libsmm/html/ | 23:15 |
| Yanker | but no source / libraries .o.O | 23:16 |
| jaska_ | and another wd reboot | 23:16 |
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| jaska_ | and the n810 wasnt doing anything heh, just pinging it | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | jaska, top? | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:16 |
| KotCzarny | or, dmesg | 23:16 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe you card is corrupted | 23:16 |
| Tama^2 | Yanker: looks like it's the C++ hildon wrapper lib to me | 23:17 |
| jaska_ | had a while :; do sleep 2 ; cat /proc/meminfo ; done | 23:17 |
| KotCzarny | watch load too | 23:17 |
| jaska_ | the busybox free doesnt show -/+ buffer/cache | 23:17 |
| Veggen | Ok. I wrote down yesterdays adventure with hildon application manager: http://vegard.engen.priv.no/blog/ | 23:18 |
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| jaska_ | hmmh | 23:18 |
| jaska_ | probably need to make a the box connected to it log | 23:18 |
| Yanker | yes it seems, the example is from maemo.garage.maemo.org - but in the package manager i only find three libs, hildonmm, hildon-fmmm and hildon-notifymm | 23:18 |
| Yanker | Tama^2 but no hildon-libsmm :) | 23:19 |
| jaska_ | and leave it overnight | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | or just reflash it | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:19 |
| jaska_ | i just reflashed it | 23:19 |
| jaska_ | and repartitioned the sd | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | huh | 23:20 |
| Tama^2 | have taken a look at what is inside 'hildonmm'? | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | try without the sd? | 23:20 |
| jaska_ | the builtin sd? how do i get it off | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | ah | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | i though about external cards | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | dmesg doesn't show anything ? | 23:21 |
| jaska_ | about corruption? | 23:22 |
| jaska_ | lets see | 23:22 |
| Yanker | Tama^2 well its approximately the same, as the examples include - just with slight variations | 23:22 |
| Yanker | i guess its a wip wrapper library, which is only accessible through svn or something | 23:22 |
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| Yanker | maybe i should stick with basic hildon-1 API and then do the c++ in glib and gtk only.. | 23:23 |
| jaska_ | [ 29.984375] JFFS2 notice: (430) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0c5c01b4: read 0xb7eec4b2, calculated 0x4c99d16. | 23:23 |
| jaska_ | [ 30.046875] JFFS2 notice: (430) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0e772b34: read 0x36453093, calculated 0xf8e51931. | 23:23 |
| konttori | This is totally unbelieable piece of software: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16079 | 23:24 |
| konttori | mypaint - jusr marvelous painting program | 23:24 |
| KotCzarny | supports pressure sensitivity? | 23:24 |
| lcuk | hey there, does anyone know why i need to include the following line of code to make my program go faster?: | 23:24 |
| lcuk | int dummy=xx*yy*(int)(glyph)*xx*yy; | 23:24 |
| jaska_ | and how prototype my n810 is also unbelievable | 23:24 |
| konttori | If I could, I'd give it 6 stars already even if the hildonization is only partly done | 23:24 |
| lcuk | if i leave this line out, my code runs at 9fps, if i put it in it runs at 27fps | 23:24 |
| konttori | supports sensitivity | 23:25 |
| konttori | you need to install it with dpkg -i | 23:25 |
| konttori | appman doesn't support the deb for some reason | 23:25 |
| konttori | and it actually does all the strokes just the way it's supposed to. | 23:25 |
| konttori | also supports charcoal ... whatever drawing. really close to painter on windows. | 23:26 |
| lcuk | the dummy variable is not used at all. it is deep within a blit routine, so is called thousands of times per frame | 23:26 |
| jaska_ | soo.. i need to reflash again? | 23:26 |
| konttori | Here is desktop screenshot: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~mrenold/mypaint/mypaint_sshot_v0.4.jpg | 23:26 |
| KotCzarny | jaska, i don't know.. | 23:26 |
| * konttori gos to sleep. night all! | 23:26 | |
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| KotCzarny | if you don't find another source of reboots.. | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | how long does it take for it to reboot? | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | (from booting) | 23:27 |
| jaska_ | varies | 23:27 |
| jaska_ | if its doing nothing then it seems to take hours | 23:27 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:28 |
| KotCzarny | return it? :> | 23:28 |
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| jaska_ | cba to drive ~870km roundtrip just for that :) | 23:29 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 23:30 |
| KotCzarny | mail? | 23:30 |
| jaska_ | just wish i had something to assess the health of the flash chips with | 23:31 |
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| KotCzarny | boot from mmc? | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:32 |
| jaska_ | dont have any | 23:32 |
| KotCzarny | 2gbs are cheap | 23:32 |
| jaska_ | and well.. the wear leveing on those is crummy :) | 23:33 |
| KotCzarny | depends | 23:33 |
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| lcuk | as a way to allow you to recover from a nasty crash its a cheap bit of security | 23:34 |
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| KotCzarny | also wearing external card is cheaper than internal flash :) | 23:35 |
| lcuk | kot, thx you just convinced me that im gonna do it lol | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 23:35 |
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| KotCzarny | i'm gonna do it too | 23:35 |
| lcuk | i hadnt seen a need until then | 23:35 |
| KotCzarny | i have already installed boot loader and fs on external card | 23:36 |
| jaska_ | yeah true.. replacing onboard flash chips is a bit hard :) | 23:36 |
| lcuk | i saw it as a data store not a backup device | 23:36 |
| lcuk | any ideas which are the faster/est chips to get? | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | and by external i mean replaceable slots | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk: doesn't matter | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | controller seems to be limited to ~5mb/s | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | internal flash is ~15 | 23:36 |
| KotCzarny | but 5 is good enough | 23:37 |
| lcuk | but ive seen a kernel knocking about which opens up the throttle | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | you won't be loading gigs | 23:37 |
| lcuk | yes you will - dont look down on yourself ;) | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 23:37 |
| KotCzarny | i'm talking about os, not videos :) | 23:37 |
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