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| Species8472 | LOL = laughing out loud, TATS = that's?, WAT = what?, SED = said? | 00:00 |
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| argonl | BTobotras: hmm, what did you send? atd1234567; ? | 00:01 |
| Navi | Species8472, ya | 00:01 |
| Species8472 | STFU NUB I KEEL U = shut the fuck up noob I kill you? | 00:01 |
| Navi | ya | 00:01 |
| Species8472 | in that case, you phail | 00:01 |
| lcuk_2 | Species8472, i think i can find a way for you to run vista on 810 :) | 00:01 |
| BTobotras | argonl: yes, but at+fclass=8 prior to that to make it voice call. ERROR :( | 00:01 |
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| Navi | Species8472, no u fail | 00:01 |
| Species8472 | awesome, can you provide me with some steps on how to do it? | 00:02 |
| lcuk_2 | yer, just goto http://www.oqo.com/ and buy a vista model. unfortunately they are about 5 times as much as the nokia devices, but you will have a better life. | 00:03 |
| argonl | BTobotras: try it without the +fclass | 00:03 |
| lcuk_2 | i forgot to mention if you want it to still be an 810 then pencil out the oqo logo and write model number required | 00:04 |
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| BTobotras | argonl: it enters data call mode. | 00:05 |
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| BTobotras | argonl: it says it only supports +FCLASS=0 :( | 00:06 |
| argonl | BTobotras: try a AT+CLCC right after the dial command | 00:06 |
| lcuk_2 | now, onto important stuff - i spent all last night coding up something based on the linux "mmap()" function only to find windows/mingw doesnt have it. gahhhhh i thought the c libraries were cross compatible | 00:06 |
| Species8472 | Ok im going to buy one, who wants to have my N810? | 00:06 |
| argonl | BTobotras: +CLCC: <id>,<dir>,<stat>,<mode>,<mpty>[,<number>,<type>] | 00:06 |
| BTobotras | argonl: I see | 00:07 |
| argonl | BTobotras: mode? 0=voice, 1=data, 2=fax | 00:07 |
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| BTobotras | argonl: weird, it says voice | 00:09 |
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| argonl | interesting | 00:09 |
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| argonl | BTobotras: it only listed one call, right? | 00:11 |
| BTobotras | argonl: yep | 00:11 |
| argonl | here is a document for Nokia phones: http://sw.nokia.com/id/95672052-6c77-488d-a055-acef77e4cdc5/AT_Command_Set_For_Nokia_GSM_And_WCDMA_Products_v1_2_en.pdf | 00:11 |
| argonl | this search reveals others: http://www.forum.nokia.com/search/?keywords=at+command+set&x=0&y=0&=GO | 00:13 |
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| BTobotras | argonl: I dreamt about portable program :) | 00:15 |
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| argonl | heh the document says "The DCE shall recognize the value 8 as the Voice Mode." | 00:17 |
| BTobotras | argonl: at+fclass=? returns 0 only ;) | 00:17 |
| argonl | is this an old phone? | 00:18 |
| BTobotras | argonl: nope, 6021 | 00:18 |
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| BTobotras | argonl: got it :) | 00:24 |
| BTobotras | argonl: you make a voice call by atd#####; | 00:24 |
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| argonl | BTobotras: yes, but you said that didn't work... :) | 00:26 |
| Tanora | Hello, I wouldn't suppose anybody would be able to direct me on how to rebuild a Tinyfugue .deb for Chinook? | 00:26 |
| * Tanora just came across the log that indicated someone had it working for the N770. | 00:27 | |
| BTobotras | argonl: note semicolon | 00:27 |
| BTobotras | argonl: arghh, you showed me that! | 00:27 |
| argonl | :) | 00:28 |
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| BTobotras | Okay, now where do I find BT addresses of already paired devices without doing actual scan?.. | 00:33 |
| BTobotras | Aieee, d-bus marshalling... | 00:35 |
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| Tanora | Does anybody know about a muck/mush/mud client for the N800 Chinook? | 00:38 |
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| argonl | of that i have no idea.. there is some information about the bluetooth capabilities in that hayes command set book, search for HFP | 00:40 |
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| lcuk_2 | is filelength(..) missing from the std c library or am i just being thick? | 00:48 |
| BTobotras | fstat | 00:49 |
| lcuk_2 | thats not cross platform though is it? its not avail in mingw (im thinking ahead a little..). i had to rip out some base mmap stuff because of that, and fstat went with it | 00:50 |
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| lcuk_2 | i spotted the replacement people were suggesting and it works in mingw, but not from gcc | 00:51 |
| lcuk_2 | unless of course im missing an obvious parameter for gcc | 00:51 |
| lcuk_2 | gcc -lX11 -lXext -lXv -lSDL -o liqxv liqxv.o | 00:52 |
| lcuk_2 | liqxv.o: In function `book_open':liqxv.c:(.text+0x41c): undefined reference to `filelength' | 00:52 |
| pupnik | lcuk_2: did you hear that two guys have disassembled two x86 video games and rewritten them in ARM assembly? | 00:52 |
| lcuk_2 | (yes, i know there are 3 graphics libraries there..) | 00:52 |
| lcuk_2 | that sounds nice | 00:52 |
| pupnik | we're not talking 8kB games either | 00:52 |
| lcuk_2 | i once wanted to do that from m68k to x86 | 00:52 |
| lcuk_2 | but dont most games now just use gl or dx and so its only a core 8kb logic processing section to rebuild ;) | 00:53 |
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| pupnik | no idea about the qxv thing | 00:53 |
| lcuk_2 | how well do the games work? | 00:54 |
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| lcuk_2 | and cant the principle go further - take ANY binary and convert - sure the api would need a rebuild, but thats what wine is for | 00:55 |
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| pupnik | lcuk_2: it's very complicated in the general sense | 00:57 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, ping | 01:09 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, getting an error when i run fc | 01:39 |
| unique311 | Error opening "1"! | 01:39 |
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| dospod | Hey | 01:54 |
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| dospod | anybody know which gbc emulator s the best | 01:57 |
| dospod | brb | 02:00 |
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| chris_d | Does anyone know where I can get gpe-calendar with ssl? | 02:03 |
| chris_d | When I use the build from the Maemo Garage and try to sync with Google Calendar, I get SSL handshake failed... | 02:04 |
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| pupnik | there's no md5sum on OS2008? | 02:16 |
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| melmoth | yo | 02:43 |
| melmoth | oups | 02:43 |
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| saturn_ | pupnik, isn't the product id inserted into every OS2008? | 02:52 |
| pupnik | *md5sum command | 02:52 |
| saturn_ | ah ok, I pass on that one | 02:53 |
| pupnik | i think i'm going to setup awdx as a dpad | 02:58 |
| pupnik | with qezc as diagonals | 02:59 |
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| argonl | hmm, there are definately some areas for improvement here. | 03:10 |
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| pupnik | lcuk_2: can you share some sample framebuffer write + 400x240 mode code? | 03:17 |
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| pupnik | i cant believe the crap we go through to stream sound. on gp2x it's two commands | 03:21 |
| pupnik | write(sounddev, buff, len); | 03:21 |
| pupnik | ioctl(sounddev, SOUND_PCM_SYNC, 0); | 03:21 |
| Navi | Too bad there's no gp800. | 03:22 |
| ds3 | shouldn't there be some hopping on one foot and painting of chicken blood before hand? | 03:23 |
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| pupnik | yeah setting up the sound device is... about 5 commands | 03:30 |
| pupnik | you have no idea. you have no freaking idea how much more complicated it is in fceu | 03:31 |
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| lcuk_2 | pupnik, i will do as soon as i get something myself - ive got a good weekend ahead and am starting to get into gear. let me mold it a bit before i plop something out. | 03:57 |
| lcuk_2 | im sorting out a bit of working code so i can actually do something with each framebuffer i find. | 03:58 |
| pupnik | oki | 03:59 |
| lcuk_2 | my intention is to build a block of code which will render the book text at a suitable resolution and speed. | 03:59 |
| lcuk_2 | once i see which methods appears to work well i will have learnt enough to be able to help more :) | 03:59 |
| lcuk_2 | automatic scaling on the YUV screen looks good though, i just change my bitmap size and it renders to scale :) | 04:00 |
| argonl | ok, how the hell do i type a ? in the thumb keyboard? | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4 taps on the . key. | 04:01 |
| lcuk_2 | Fn + ? (on mine its between the L key and Cr | 04:01 |
| argonl | ahhh. two taps gave me two . so i thought it was some kind of autofill | 04:02 |
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| genome4hire | So i've been trying out the Minefield build that Brad Lassey put online. It's -super- fast, but it crashes after just a few seconds. has anyone got a more stable (and recent, since his is from early Jan) build? | 04:09 |
| genome4hire | It gives me a lot of faith that the browser can be made -far- more usable.... | 04:09 |
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| dospod | hey | 04:27 |
| pupnik | minefield? | 04:35 |
| genome4hire | minefield = Firefox 3.0 betas | 04:36 |
| genome4hire | == totally kickass | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Overweight, badly ported and slow. | 04:36 |
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| genome4hire | I'm trying to compile the latest version myself - but i'm hitting a slight snag. It seems that the maemo scratchbox vmware image has a max disk size of 6GB - and 90% of which is taken up with the ubuntu distro. | 04:37 |
| genome4hire | There isn't enough space to compile Firefox | 04:37 |
| dospod | I wish there was a faster browser ported | 04:38 |
| genome4hire | GeneralAntilles: Go download this http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/dists/chinook/extras/binary-armel/minefield_1.9-1_armel.deb, load it up, and surf to google, and do a query. | 04:38 |
| genome4hire | It | 04:38 |
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| genome4hire | it'll crash on most pages, unfortunately.... | 04:39 |
| dospod | the one in os 2008 is ok but it could be less resource intense | 04:39 |
| genome4hire | but for a google query, it's uber uber fast | 04:39 |
| genome4hire | I suspect it's because it was built about a month and a half ago, when the firefox 3.0 codebase was fairly unstable. | 04:39 |
| genome4hire | It's much much better now... but there hasn't been a new maemo build since Jan 8. | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | MicroB is already Gecko 1.9 | 04:39 |
| genome4hire | Yes, it is. | 04:40 |
| genome4hire | But lots of stuff seems to have changed | 04:40 |
| genome4hire | since MicroB got a copy of the codebase | 04:40 |
| genome4hire | try the minefield beta, and see for yourself | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I did | 04:41 |
| genome4hire | and? | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's grossly overweight, badly ported and slow for me. ;) | 04:41 |
| genome4hire | Heh. | 04:41 |
| genome4hire | I agree it's badly ported. | 04:41 |
| genome4hire | I emailed the firefox dude who did it.. and he said that there will be automatic nightly binaries in the next few days or so. | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | 30MB is way too much for these devices. | 04:41 |
| genome4hire | I dunno. As long as it doesn't leak like FF2.0, maybe 25Mb isn't so bad. | 04:42 |
| dospod | That youtube app excites me : ) | 04:43 |
| Navi | I use Minefield on my PC, it's an improvement over Bon Echo. | 04:46 |
| Navi | Only because of Gecko 1.9, actually | 04:46 |
| Navi | and the GTK+ look. | 04:46 |
| genome4hire | Minefield over the last few weeks has been such an improvement. | 04:46 |
| genome4hire | And for the few seconds before it crashes on maemo, it gives me hope | 04:46 |
| Navi | Everything else just tastes like vomit to me. | 04:46 |
| Navi | Minefield doesn't work well on things with low ram | 04:48 |
| Navi | When it's done taking over your entire ram/swap, it locks up. | 04:49 |
| genome4hire | ah. maybe thats why it locks after about 2secs on the N810 | 04:49 |
| dospod | hah | 04:49 |
| Navi | Happens to me quite a bit | 04:49 |
| genome4hire | so anyone know an easy way to add another GB to the maemo vmware disk? | 04:51 |
| Navi | That's why system requirements for Minefield is 256MB, though, that ain't enough. | 04:51 |
| genome4hire | My iphone friends put me to shame with their browser. | 04:52 |
| genome4hire | it doesn't have flash | 04:52 |
| genome4hire | but it actually responds instantly | 04:52 |
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| genome4hire | *mutter* | 04:52 |
| Navi | webkit. | 04:52 |
| Navi | Ha, I actually typed more than that | 04:52 |
| Navi | "That's the magic of" webkit. | 04:52 |
| genome4hire | I suspect it's more than webkit. I suspect it's about 20 apple engineers working to optimize the browser. | 04:53 |
| Navi | But webkit itself is awesome. | 04:53 |
| dospod | is there a webkit browser for maemo? | 04:53 |
| Navi | We need to one-up them by getting 40 apple engineers working to optimize webkit for the N8X0. | 04:54 |
| Navi | dospod, not unless you count epiphany-webkit | 04:54 |
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| dospod | hmm i wonder why we dont have a webkit browser yet | 04:55 |
| Navi | webkit-gtk is a ways from being stable and complete. | 04:55 |
| l7_ | is webkit faster than mozilla? | 04:55 |
| dospod | for me it is | 04:55 |
| Navi | Faster, not sure. I usually can't tell the difference. | 04:55 |
| dospod | safari has been way faster than mozilla and opera on my computer | 04:56 |
| l7_ | i wish the maemo browser was as snappy as the iphone's | 04:56 |
| Navi | However, I DO like the memory footprint. | 04:56 |
| genome4hire | konqueror is pretty stable though, right? | 04:56 |
| genome4hire | and that uses webkit | 04:56 |
| genome4hire | It just requires a buttload of qt libraries | 04:56 |
| Navi | Not QT, KDE. | 04:56 |
| Navi | If it were just QT libraries, I would be fine with running konqueror all the time. | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having done a number of side-by-sides between the iPhone and MicroB, the iPhone really isn't any faster. | 04:57 |
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| l7_ | really? | 04:57 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, you have an iPhone? | 04:57 |
| genome4hire | are you sure GA? I've used my pal's iphone, and i'm embarassed to pull out my N810 | 04:57 |
| l7_ | the iphone feels snappier | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some cases it's actually slower. | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | My mother has an iPhone. | 04:57 |
| Navi | I see | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | The interface response is a bit faster. | 04:57 |
| dospod | yea it feels wayy faster than my n800 | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | But page loading isn't any faster. | 04:57 |
| dospod | i got alot of friends with iphonezs | 04:58 |
| l7_ | yeah, it might be the interface | 04:58 |
| dospod | there shit is snappy | 04:58 |
| Navi | The most important thing about the webkit layout engine is the memory footprint. | 04:58 |
| genome4hire | I switched my microB user agent to the iphone's, and I find that the gmail iphone interface is actually sometimes slower. | 04:58 |
| genome4hire | Clicking on titles in emails takes forever to load sometimes | 04:58 |
| genome4hire | (that is, under MicroB) | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | The iPhone also has the advantage of rendering a lot lower resolution. ;) | 04:58 |
| l7_ | i if the n800 will ever be able to imitate the iphone's interface :) | 04:58 |
| dospod | then again im on ancient wireless technology | 04:59 |
| Navi | It handles scaling a bit better, though. | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | That alone makes up for any interface slowness under ITOS. | 04:59 |
| dospod | my wireless b is about 5 yrs old | 04:59 |
| l7_ | it would be nice to be able to zoom in the way the iphone can | 04:59 |
| Navi | Nah | 04:59 |
| dospod | my parents are abusing the poor thing | 04:59 |
| genome4hire | Did anyone ever get a copy of google gears for MicroB? | 05:00 |
| Navi | I like the zoom as it is now. | 05:00 |
| genome4hire | I saw something mentioned online, but the download link is broken | 05:00 |
| genome4hire | some website in italy | 05:00 |
| genome4hire | I've got my N810 working with a really really slow iDEN cellular connection now, and google gears would be a lifesaver. | 05:00 |
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| genome4hire | it's nice to have free always available data tho. | 05:01 |
| dospod | it would be nice to ditch my wireless b | 05:01 |
| dospod | and get wireless n with b+g support | 05:01 |
| dospod | but that wont happen till my router dies | 05:01 |
| genome4hire | I got ethernet working on my N810 tonight too.. you could always spend $10 for an ethernet adaptor and increase your speed that way | 05:02 |
| genome4hire | wasn't too difficult | 05:02 |
| dospod | ethernet would be a hassle | 05:02 |
| dospod | plus i dont think my ethernet ports work anymore | 05:02 |
| dospod | im not sure | 05:02 |
| genome4hire | so is there a fix for the annoying dimming feature of the n810 yet? | 05:03 |
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| genome4hire | GA: you've got an 810, right? | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 | 05:05 |
| genome4hire | Crap. | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 sucks. ;) | 05:05 |
| genome4hire | the light sensor in the 810 is very very annoying | 05:05 |
| genome4hire | I wouldn't have paid retail for this thing. | 05:05 |
| genome4hire | But for $150, i figured it was worth it. | 05:05 |
| dospod | n800 is da bomb : ) | 05:05 |
| Navi | 150? | 05:06 |
| Navi | Damn. | 05:06 |
| dospod | but the n810 is kinda attractive too but the price | 05:06 |
| Navi | I wished the casing was a bit sexier | 05:06 |
| Navi | s/wished/wish/ | 05:06 |
| infobot | Navi meant: I wish the casing was a bit sexier | 05:06 |
| genome4hire | The Dev discount was great, but it took forever to get | 05:06 |
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| Navi | :3 | 05:06 |
| Navi | You get that much off for the dev discount? | 05:06 |
| dospod | im dissapointed about the emulator/game situation on the tablets though | 05:07 |
| dospod | I guess I should have done more homework | 05:07 |
| Navi | Ha, you should of. | 05:07 |
| dospod | and the lack of p2p is dissapointing | 05:07 |
| Navi | P2P? | 05:08 |
| dospod | i did a little bit | 05:08 |
| dospod | but this was back when the itouch scene was didnt have alot out | 05:08 |
| genome4hire | Navi: Yeah, dev price was $150 for US developers. Some french guys got it for free | 05:08 |
| dospod | p2p like limewire | 05:08 |
| Navi | Pfft | 05:08 |
| dospod | torrent is cool but sometimes u just want a certain single isnted of the whole cd | 05:08 |
| Navi | Lmao. | 05:08 |
| Navi | You can download individual mp3s off of a torrent. | 05:09 |
| * pupnik gets out the GIANT SHOE | 05:09 | |
| dospod | i know but its harder to find the mp3 you want | 05:09 |
| dospod | like if I want a old single or something | 05:09 |
| Alondria | Heck with P2P - Usenet. :) | 05:09 |
| pupnik | dospod: you have n800 or n810? | 05:10 |
| dospod | n800 | 05:10 |
| dospod | I like it | 05:10 |
| dospod | but its dissapointing in ways | 05:10 |
| pupnik | it's more of a professional userbase than a gaming/hacker userbase | 05:11 |
| dospod | yea | 05:11 |
| pupnik | but the games work has picked up a lot in the past few months | 05:11 |
| dospod | it has | 05:11 |
| dospod | but still dissapointing | 05:11 |
| Navi | I know exactly what I'm going to get when I pick up an N800 :3 | 05:11 |
| dospod | Im a new hacker i guess | 05:12 |
| doc|home | I wish it was a little faster, browsing / page rendering seems especially slow :/ | 05:12 |
| dospod | my skills arent up to par yet but im learning and its a hobby of mine | 05:12 |
| * Navi doesn't get disappointed often. | 05:12 | |
| dospod | browsing is slow | 05:12 |
| pupnik | what would be top on your list for emulation dospod | 05:12 |
| dospod | but i can live | 05:12 |
| dospod | hmm let me think | 05:12 |
| dospod | snes , nes, or gbc | 05:12 |
| genome4hire | is anyone here using powerlaunch? | 05:13 |
| dospod | but atari would be cool | 05:13 |
| Navi | fceu is being worked on, has been for the past few days. | 05:13 |
| Alondria | Nes and GBC are done, aren't they? | 05:13 |
| dospod | yea but maeme or whatever the ui is crap | 05:13 |
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| Alondria | Has there ever been any discussion about doing a WinMo Wine type thing? | 05:13 |
| dospod | and I guess you could say my lack of willing ness and lazy keep me from using the cl version | 05:13 |
| pupnik | not enough pretty colors for you dospod ? | 05:13 |
| Navi | WinMo Wine? | 05:13 |
| dospod | pupnik it dosent load roms correctly | 05:13 |
| pupnik | what .. | 05:14 |
| pupnik | be more precise | 05:14 |
| Alondria | Like how Wine on a normal desktop targets normal Windows, but targets Windows Mobile emulation. | 05:14 |
| dospod | the ui for mame, nes , and neo geo emulators dosent load all roms , it will give you errors saying couldn't load rom or something to that effect | 05:14 |
| dospod | like pole position didnt work in mame last time i tried | 05:14 |
| Navi | Oh. Lame. The NIT userbase isn't large enough for a massive hacking project. | 05:15 |
| pupnik | that's not the fault of xmaeme but the fact that you have corrupt roms, or roms incompatible with mame | 05:15 |
| Navi | Heh, I was going to say this earlier, but I got sidetracked: | 05:15 |
| * Navi smells PEBKAC | 05:15 | |
| pupnik | xmaeme just passes the filename to the emulator, and sets some emulation options | 05:16 |
| dospod | pupnik the roms work on my pc | 05:16 |
| pupnik | for what emulator | 05:16 |
| Navi | Rom sets are different. | 05:16 |
| dospod | mame | 05:16 |
| pupnik | what Navi said | 05:17 |
| Navi | Old rom sets will not work with newer mame revision. | 05:17 |
| Navi | s/revision/revisions/ | 05:17 |
| infobot | Navi meant: Old rom sets will not work with newer mame revisions. | 05:17 |
| dospod | 1942 was the only rom I got working | 05:17 |
| Navi | and vice versa | 05:17 |
| dospod | and pokemon silver didnt load in the gameboy emulator | 05:17 |
| dospod | and it worked fine on my computer | 05:17 |
| Navi | Silver's a GBC game, isn't it? | 05:17 |
| dospod | and gb game | 05:17 |
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| Navi | No. | 05:18 |
| dospod | let me make sure | 05:18 |
| Navi | It's GBC and GBC only. | 05:18 |
| dospod | it was ahwile back | 05:18 |
| dospod | i could swear it said on the box when i was like 8 gb | 05:18 |
| dospod | but im gonna check | 05:18 |
| Navi | :P | 05:19 |
| dospod | so I dont end up digging up even more or a hole for myself lol | 05:19 |
| Navi | I already googled it | 05:19 |
| pupnik | i was going to work on the NES emu tonight, but i think i'll go out drinking instead | 05:19 |
| pupnik | cheers | 05:19 |
| Navi | pupnik, have fun | 05:19 |
| Navi | drive safely | 05:19 |
| dospod | dammit it was gbc only | 05:21 |
| dospod | my memory sucks lol | 05:21 |
| dospod | and cheers pupnik | 05:21 |
| dospod | dang not even 16 and my memory is already failing lol | 05:21 |
| Navi | :P | 05:21 |
| dospod | could explain things | 05:22 |
| dospod | I think I may end up buying an itouch also | 05:23 |
| Navi | k | 05:24 |
| Navi | Your money :P | 05:24 |
| dospod | damn thats right | 05:25 |
| dospod | i gotta pay off my car on my bday | 05:25 |
| dospod | and then I was planning on a new phone | 05:25 |
| dospod | itouch is gonna have to wait lol | 05:25 |
| Navi | :P | 05:26 |
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| dospod | http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile thats a sexy hildon ui | 05:27 |
| Navi | It's all right. | 05:28 |
| dospod | I think it looks nice | 05:28 |
| doc|home | yeah, I'm not too pushed about it | 05:28 |
| doc|home | canola style looks nicer | 05:29 |
| dospod | would be nice to have something like that for the main ui | 05:29 |
| dospod | hack the config files to look like that | 05:29 |
| dospod | and Id be a happy little kid | 05:29 |
| Navi | :P | 05:31 |
| dospod | but I doubt anybody doing anything to change to ui layout | 05:32 |
| genome4hire | So the cute icons for gmail, google calendar, etc.... these are hard coded, right? | 05:37 |
| Navi | come again? | 05:37 |
| genome4hire | I changed the url for gmail from http://www.gmail.com to https://www.gmail.com, and I lost the pretty icon | 05:37 |
| argonl | am i correct in assuming that if i don't have wifi i can't get root access? | 05:37 |
| genome4hire | the ones in the browser menu | 05:37 |
| genome4hire | (if you login to http://www.gmail.com using a public wifi network, anyone sniffing the network can read your email as you read it. Thus.. you want to use https) | 05:38 |
| dospod | argonl you can get root access as long as you have a way to input txt into a terminal on the device | 05:38 |
| argonl | all i have is usb | 05:38 |
| Navi | They're favicons fetched from the website | 05:38 |
| genome4hire | No they're not | 05:38 |
| Navi | They're not? | 05:39 |
| genome4hire | Nope | 05:39 |
| genome4hire | They're 64x64 | 05:39 |
| genome4hire | bigger than favicos | 05:39 |
| * Navi shrugs | 05:39 | |
| genome4hire | Besides, go to maps.google.com in your browser | 05:39 |
| dospod | grab the deb for gainroot I believe its becomeroot and put the .deb on your mmc and install it locally if you dont have wifi | 05:39 |
| genome4hire | compare the favicon in your web browser to the one in the maemo menu | 05:39 |
| genome4hire | completely different.. the maemo menu is far nicer | 05:39 |
| Navi | I don't own an IT | 05:40 |
| genome4hire | you just hang out here? | 05:40 |
| Navi | Sure, why not? | 05:40 |
| dospod | hes one here using a serial connection that hooks up to his hacked ti 83+ | 05:40 |
| argonl | dospod: i don't think i can use that, isn't that sudo gainroot? | 05:41 |
| dospod | on here* | 05:41 |
| genome4hire | I suppose MicroB can't be any slower, even on a ti83 | 05:41 |
| argonl | since i can't set a password i can't use sudo | 05:41 |
| dospod | there is a deb floating along | 05:41 |
| dospod | and if you install it | 05:41 |
| dospod | all you do is type sudo gainroot and your root | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | genome4hire, just out of interest, what is your experience with other mobile browsers? ;) | 05:41 |
| genome4hire | Other than drooling at my friend's iphone. | 05:42 |
| genome4hire | Not much | 05:42 |
| dospod | hes on a friends with bennefits on his friends iphones browser | 05:42 |
| Navi | I've used several generations of both Nokia and Opera mobile browsers, it can't be much worse than what I've used over the years. | 05:42 |
| Navi | s/much worse/any worse/ | 05:43 |
| infobot | Navi meant: I've used several generations of both Nokia and Opera mobile browsers, it can't be any worse than what I've used over the years. | 05:43 |
| genome4hire | So Canola is funded by Nokia, right? | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Trust me, the NITs are a lightyears ahead of pretty much all other mobile browsers. | 05:43 |
| genome4hire | What I don't understand is - Canola is under -constant- development, and it gets better and better by the week. | 05:43 |
| Navi | The newest Opera for mobile devices is actually nice. | 05:43 |
| genome4hire | It seems to be hosted at a brazilian nokia group. | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, what's not to understand? | 05:43 |
| dospod | then gosh I feel bad for pda owners if microb is light years ahead | 05:43 |
| genome4hire | Whereas MicroB - what should be the flagship part of the NIT - is rarely updated | 05:43 |
| genome4hire | I mean, I love that Canola is getting updated all the time. It's getting to be kickass. | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blame the legal department and managers. | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | MicroB was updated all the time until it ended up bundled. | 05:44 |
| genome4hire | But why the heck don't we have 15 brazilians (who seem to be fantastic coders) working on MicroB? | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bundling seems to be the worst thing that can happen to an application. <_< | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then its updates get forced to firmware updates. | 05:44 |
| Tama^2 | oh dear | 05:44 |
| Navi | Bundling an application forces stable releases. | 05:44 |
| dospod | it seems nokia hasnt realized that their media player app wasnt the only program that needed help | 05:44 |
| Tama^2 | then what is gong to happen to Modest once it's bundled? | 05:45 |
| Tama^2 | >.< | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | genome4hire, because we have a bunch of other brilliant coders already working on MicroB. | 05:45 |
| genome4hire | We do? | 05:45 |
| dospod | there just on long vactions lol | 05:45 |
| genome4hire | So it's simply a lack of release early & often? | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do you think we got it in the first place? <_< | 05:45 |
| Navi | I'd suggest stable snapshots for testers, honestly. | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | genome4hire, like I said, bundling forces updates to firmware releases. | 05:45 |
| genome4hire | With all due respect | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blame management and legal. | 05:45 |
| genome4hire | rtcomm is bundled | 05:45 |
| genome4hire | yet there are still updates | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | rtcomm beta is a little different | 05:46 |
| genome4hire | why? | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | MicroB is STABLE | 05:46 |
| genome4hire | Er. | 05:46 |
| Navi | Debian stable, not Windows stable. | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | (caps mean in definition) | 05:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't agree with the practice. | 05:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MicroB updates every few weeks would make me very happy. | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it is what it is. | 05:47 |
| genome4hire | The thing that puzzles me, is that Canola is just so damn polished | 05:47 |
| genome4hire | It's literally a fantastic product now | 05:47 |
| Tama^2 | err | 05:47 |
| genome4hire | (except for the fact that it can't do feedburner podcasts) | 05:47 |
| Tama^2 | wait a minute | 05:47 |
| Tama^2 | canola polished? | 05:47 |
| Navi | Except for the fact that it's closed source. | 05:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | By "polished" you mean, pretty. . . . | 05:47 |
| genome4hire | yeah. | 05:47 |
| genome4hire | and the UI is responsive | 05:48 |
| Tama^2 | the UI has major issues | 05:48 |
| Navi | :3 | 05:48 |
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| genome4hire | When I show off my N810. | 05:48 |
| Tama^2 | still it's the best looking media player for meamo | 05:48 |
| Navi | Gotta love Tama^2, burstin' people's bubble.s | 05:48 |
| genome4hire | It's canola that I use to brag | 05:48 |
| Navi | s/bubble.s/bubbles/ | 05:48 |
| infobot | Navi meant: Gotta love Tama^2, burstin' people's bubbles | 05:48 |
| Tama^2 | sorry T_T | 05:48 |
| Navi | Yeah, I'd probably do the same. | 05:48 |
| genome4hire | (except for geeks, and then I use sshd) | 05:48 |
| Tama^2 | it's just that... it's better but not SO good | 05:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pretty GUIs don't really mean much in the end. | 05:49 |
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| Navi | Pretty GUIs piss me off. | 05:49 |
| genome4hire | Prettu GUIs sold about a million iphones | 05:49 |
| Tama^2 | * runs out of memory when scanning my media lib | 05:49 |
| Navi | Tama^2, :3 | 05:49 |
| Tama^2 | * stores metadata for media on onboard flash | 05:49 |
| Tama^2 | Navi: :3 | 05:49 |
| Tama^2 | xD | 05:49 |
| Navi | Tama^2, :3 | 05:49 |
| l7_ | weird | 05:49 |
| genome4hire | Ok - with all fairness | 05:50 |
| l7_ | i never store anything on the onboard flash | 05:50 |
| genome4hire | I haven't actualy used it to listen to mp3s. | 05:50 |
| genome4hire | I only use it for podcasts | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't get me wrong, I like Canola a lot | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | but it's hardly polished. | 05:50 |
| genome4hire | But to listen to this american life - it's brilliant. | 05:50 |
| Tama^2 | * Minor UI bugs | 05:50 |
| l7_ | i figure i should preserve it's write cycles | 05:50 |
| l7_ | oh yeah, this american life is the best | 05:50 |
| Navi | I secks mpd and MMPC. | 05:50 |
| genome4hire | l7: http://www.dubfire.net/feeds/tal-no-reruns.xml | 05:51 |
| genome4hire | happy xmas. | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | The only people who aren't This American Life fans are those who haven't heard it. | 05:51 |
| * Navi gasps | 05:51 | |
| genome4hire | TAL sent me a quasi takedown letter over that RSS feed... so i don't advertise it on my blog anymore | 05:52 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles is right! I'm not a fan and I haven't heard it! | 05:52 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, how do you do it?! | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm always right, Navi. :P | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Prescience of the finest sort. | 05:52 |
| Navi | Damn it | 05:53 |
| Navi | I forgot I had homework | 05:53 |
| l7_ | genome4hire: wow, nice :) | 05:53 |
| Navi | Whew, I was scared | 05:53 |
| l7_ | reruns on the official feed are rather annoying | 05:53 |
| Navi | It's not due until 11:59 the next day | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 05:53 |
| genome4hire | Not only that. the official feed only has 1 episode max. | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't they sell the old episodes on iTunes? | 05:54 |
| genome4hire | Yeah. | 05:54 |
| genome4hire | For 1.99 | 05:54 |
| genome4hire | or if you know the url, you can download the mp3 from their server directly | 05:54 |
| Navi | iTunes is funny | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works great on OS X. | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sucks everywhere else. | 05:55 |
| genome4hire | http://audio.thisamericanlife.org/jomamashouse/ismymamashouse/ | 05:55 |
| genome4hire | EPISODENUMBER.mp3 | 05:55 |
| Navi | Works not at all on my PC> | 05:55 |
| dospod | os x is great : ) | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor lonely Linux users. | 05:55 |
| Navi | I hate the people that use OS X. | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hate all you want. | 05:56 |
| Navi | ESPECIALLY GeneralAntilles. | 05:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes back to the party and shuts the door on Navi. | 05:56 | |
| l7_ | genome4hire: heh i know about that backdoor, although i wonder if they would notice if i wgetted everything at once... | 05:56 |
| dospod | wow | 05:56 |
| dospod | I never knew id be hated for buying a mac | 05:56 |
| Tama^2 | you should have known | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Obviously not a long-time Apple user. | 05:56 |
| * Navi chuckles | 05:56 | |
| l7_ | eh, i'm starting to want to migrate from os x to ubuntu | 05:56 |
| Tama^2 | lol | 05:57 |
| Navi | Ubuntu is for mainstreamers. | 05:57 |
| Tama^2 | after using OS X I cannot go back to ubuntu | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navi is such a rebel. | 05:57 |
| l7_ | actually, i would prefer running os x and ubuntu from a hypervisor | 05:57 |
| dospod | General nope I bought it last christmas | 05:57 |
| Tama^2 | I run it in VM ware | 05:57 |
| l7_ | what's wrong with the mainstream? | 05:57 |
| Tama^2 | ô,ô | 05:57 |
| dospod | its one year old | 05:57 |
| l7_ | vmware is probably the better solution... but i don't know how much i trust apple these days | 05:57 |
| l7_ | still, i guess you need their drivers | 05:58 |
| Navi | the mainstream is full of evil people, like GeneralAntilles | 05:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles is like the punk rock people who brag about listening to bands first. :P | 05:58 | |
| l7_ | heh | 05:58 |
| l7_ | why is GeneralAntilles evil? | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | No way, man, I was listening to those guys WAY before all these jokers. | 05:58 |
| l7_ | ubuntu in the mainstream means it can take over the world! | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Poor Navi is jealous of my tablets. | 05:59 |
| Navi | l7_, he's General Wedge Antilles, he's evil to the core. | 05:59 |
| pupnik | i wonder if the powervr shaders could be used for as a vector processing coprocessor | 06:00 |
| Navi | :D | 06:00 |
| Navi | Back from your drinking already? | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The "bar" was the refrigerator? :P | 06:00 |
| l7_ | oh, that guy from star wars | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hope you're not chatting from the bar, pupnik. :P | 06:01 |
| l7_ | now i get it | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, the nick has nothing to do with the lesser antilles. :P | 06:01 |
| l7_ | lol | 06:01 |
| Navi | Lol | 06:01 |
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| l7_ | google says that clone is only a commander | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot of French people think I'm also french. | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extended universe. <_< | 06:02 |
| l7_ | is Antilles a french name? | 06:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't want to reveal too much of the Star Wars knowledge he's somehow retained from middle-school. :S | 06:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, l7_. | 06:02 |
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| l7_ | hrm, wikipedia says yes | 06:02 |
| Navi | Antilles refers to the islands in the West Indies. | 06:02 |
| Navi | French, yes. | 06:03 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, how about John Antill? | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't look a thing like him. :P | 06:04 |
| Navi | :| | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 06:04 |
| dospod | I dont look like im my nationality much lol | 06:04 |
| * Navi goes back to sulking | 06:05 | |
| genome4hire | So I should probably buy a memory card for my n810 right? there are a limited number of writes to the internal card.. | 06:05 |
| dospod | buy a 8 gig | 06:06 |
| Navi | Meh | 06:06 |
| dospod | : ) | 06:06 |
| l7_ | no doubt | 06:06 |
| Tama^2 | do not worry about the limited # of writecycles | 06:06 |
| Navi | I've never written enough to ever push flash memory past the death point. | 06:06 |
| l7_ | that 8 gig a data card was like $35 on newegg last time i checked | 06:06 |
| genome4hire | I just saw the newegg thing | 06:06 |
| Tama^2 | if you can wear your flash off it means the tablet has paid for itself 10 times | 06:06 |
| genome4hire | it's 38 + 4 shipping | 06:06 |
| Tama^2 | :) | 06:06 |
| l7_ | and apple wants an extra hundred dollars to add 8 gigs to an ipod touch | 06:07 |
| l7_ | bastards. | 06:07 |
| Navi | Flash memory is great nowadays, limited write cycles are a myth. | 06:07 |
| pupnik | if you put your system on the sd card, get a speedy one | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | When is somebody gonna set up a RAID0 on the N800? | 06:07 |
| l7_ | is the transcend card faster than adata? | 06:07 |
| l7_ | haha | 06:07 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, you should be the first to do it | 06:08 |
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| genome4hire | hmmm. buy the 8GB card now. | 06:10 |
| genome4hire | or wait a month, till it's $20 for 16GB | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be more than a month. | 06:11 |
| Navi | Ha | 06:12 |
| Navi | Ugh, stupid GeneralAntilles. | 06:12 |
| Navi | Anyways, 20 bucks for a 16GB is being delirious | 06:13 |
| Navi | s/20/believing that it'll be 20/ | 06:14 |
| infobot | Navi meant: Anyways, believing that it'll be 20 bucks for a 16GB is being delirious | 06:14 |
| argnel | dospod: turns out (at least with os2008) you can just enable r&d mode and then sudo gainroot | 06:14 |
| genome4hire | I paid 20 bucks for a 4GB SD card for my N800 last year | 06:15 |
| genome4hire | prices drop, etc | 06:15 |
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| Navi | 4GB cards are barely 20 bucks this year. | 06:15 |
| Navi | Of course, there are always sales. | 06:16 |
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| genome4hire | order placed. | 06:20 |
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| l7_ | i wonder much how apple's reduced purchasing is affecting the flash memory market | 06:26 |
| Navi | Switching WMs, be back. | 06:28 |
| dospod | whats a good video bitrate to keep a file from not exceeding 250 mb | 06:31 |
| dospod | its an hour long movie | 06:31 |
| dospod | and its 700mb avi b4 transcoding | 06:32 |
| dospod | eh nvm | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just set the size target to 250Mb . . . | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Mb/MB/ | 06:34 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Just set the size target to 250MB . . . | 06:34 |
| dospod | eh i got it hopefully | 06:35 |
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| Tama^2 | mh | 06:38 |
| Tama^2 | s/mh/mhmh | 06:38 |
| Tama^2 | >.> | 06:38 |
| Tama^2 | s/>/! | 06:39 |
| Tama^2 | it does not like me | 06:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Close it correctly. . . . | 06:39 |
| Navi | you need an ending slash. | 06:39 |
| Tama^2 | arrgh | 06:40 |
| Tama^2 | true | 06:40 |
| Tama^2 | s/true/false/ | 06:40 |
| infobot | Tama^2 meant: false | 06:40 |
| Tama^2 | pedantic bot | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Learn ur *nix bettar. :P | 06:41 |
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| Tama^2 | s/bot/Da Bot gotta Rot/ | 06:41 |
| infobot | Tama^2 meant: pedantic Da Bot gotta Rot | 06:41 |
| Tama^2 | ok ok I will stop | 06:41 |
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| Navi | Ha | 06:43 |
| Navi | andLinux got on digg. | 06:44 |
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| dospod | andLinux | 07:00 |
| dospod | ? | 07:00 |
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| ds3 | anyone installed the advance backlight applet thing? | 07:54 |
| ds3 | n/m | 07:55 |
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| zoran | folks, I have a question regarding application graphical manager problem; it formatted the content in a wrong way. | 07:57 |
| zoran | gregale | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, lots of people, ds3. | 08:00 |
| keesj | zoran: there is a talk about it a FOSDEM, I guess it must be open-source then :p | 08:01 |
| zoran | ah, the same basic app manager as you have on yout tablet | 08:01 |
| zoran | graphical one, not apt-get | 08:01 |
| BTobotras | morning | 08:01 |
| BTobotras | Where does controlpanel store "Phone"'s settings? | 08:02 |
| zoran | it shows no names, since the line that manages it cannot be moved to the right! | 08:02 |
| zoran | just in "all" list | 08:02 |
| zoran | not an perl, command and alike | 08:02 |
| zoran | keesj, I presume some ascii file should handle that behaveour, for "all" list | 08:03 |
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| keesj | zoran: yes that I also see with the gcompriz localisation packages (or skype when in red pil mode) | 08:05 |
| zoran | I just updated the lists, nopcode made some trouble | 08:05 |
| zoran | noting I don't do weekly | 08:06 |
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| febb | hi all | 08:08 |
| febb | anyone knows how to fix the "missing libsoup2.2.8" message when installing gpe-calendar and other gpe packages on an N810 (os2008, latest version from a few days ago) ? | 08:08 |
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| AlyssaI | Hey -- I just saw that there's an OS 2008 Jaiku client and want to try it, but I haven't an account. Does any have an invite to spare? | 08:14 |
| AlyssaI | It's Mauku, right? | 08:14 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: took a while to find where it is to disable the old icons | 08:15 |
| ds3 | that's what I was about to ask then I stumbled on it in Control Panel | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 08:15 |
| ds3 | so far the only bad package I found tonight is dosbox | 08:17 |
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| keesj | anybody need a ride from amsterdam to fosdam? | 08:25 |
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| rm_you | so, how do i disable watchdog?! | 09:18 |
| rm_you | or else, how do i find out what is triggering it? | 09:18 |
| rm_you | tired of my n800 just rebooting by itself all the time | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's triggered when something the watchdog watches crashes. :P | 09:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Usually something important. | 09:19 |
| rm_you | >_< | 09:20 |
| rm_you | it happens like 4 times a day | 09:21 |
| rm_you | annoying as shit | 09:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 09:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | What'd you screw up. :P | 09:22 |
| rm_you | dunno | 09:22 |
| rm_you | its been doing this for weeks | 09:22 |
| rm_you | i've been ignoring it | 09:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, turning off the watchdog will most likely just end with a white-screen device that you'll have to reboot yourself. | 09:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Time for a reflash? | 09:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Admittedly 51-3 is only the bootloader, but still. :P | 09:23 |
| rm_you | <_< | 09:23 |
| rm_you | wow. | 09:26 |
| rm_you | i just did an update and it's almost in a reboot loop | 09:26 |
| rm_you | yep. flash time. | 09:26 |
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| * pupnik_ hasn't seen OS2008 crash or reboot yet | 09:27 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Lucky pupnik_. | 09:29 |
| Tama^2 | lucky you | 09:29 |
| rm_you | <_< | 09:29 |
| rm_you | yep, my device is now unusable | 09:29 |
| rm_you | yay! | 09:29 |
| Navi | rm_you, grats | 09:30 |
| Navi | Want to sell it to me? | 09:30 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:30 |
| rm_you | no, i'll just flash it :P | 09:31 |
| rm_you | pfft | 09:31 |
| * Navi snaps | 09:31 | |
| Navi | I like how I can snap on IRC, but not in real life. | 09:31 |
| rm_you | i'm not (hey!) listening to you >_< | 09:31 |
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| Navi | Listen! | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 09:32 |
| rm_you | wheee, time to remember how to flash this | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | ./flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R | 09:32 |
| rm_you | what? it's been like a month :P | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | turn it off | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | plug it into USB | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | start the flasher | 09:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | turn it on holding down home. | 09:33 |
| rm_you | yeah yeah... | 09:33 |
| Navi | http://xenf.net/images/sex.jpg | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now you don't have to look it up. :P | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Creepy Navi. | 09:33 |
| rm_you | i meant other stuff included, like all the crap i have to do (add repos, red-pill, gainroot, ssh)... | 09:33 |
| Navi | plz | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can you make a backup? | 09:33 |
| rm_you | rofl | 09:33 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: cant get in for more than like 5 seconds | 09:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 09:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting. | 09:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could turn off the watchdog and atleast grab your sources.list | 09:34 |
| pupnik_ | hmm i don't see how to connect os2006 to a hidden WEP wlan | 09:34 |
| Navi | Open it up, take out the flash memory, and plug it into a custom built flash memory reader that you can build | 09:34 |
| * Navi coughs | 09:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Add connection in connection manager? | 09:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles hasn't used OS2006 in 6 months. | 09:35 | |
| pupnik_ | ok found ti | 09:37 |
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| rm_you | so, nothing special i should do with the image i flash? | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope. | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could check the md5sum. | 09:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles shrugs. | 09:39 | |
| rm_you | no haxxing fanoush's stuff into it before the flash? :P | 09:39 |
| rm_you | no using a hex editor to set the root password or RD mode? | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope. :P | 09:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | initfs comes later. | 09:40 |
| rm_you | whee, reflashing | 09:40 |
| rm_you | hrm | 09:40 |
| rm_you | the new firmware isnt out yet? | 09:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php | 09:41 |
| rm_you | any specific settings i should do for a backup? | 09:42 |
| rm_you | if i can get it to stay on long enough to do one | 09:42 |
| rm_you | any of the options cause backups to fail? :P | 09:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles is currently chatting with one of the Tremulous aimbot coders. | 09:42 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You wonder what drives these people. | 09:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd exclude media, and documents | 09:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | assuming you don't have anything important on the internal flash. | 09:43 |
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| pupnik_ | it seems my 770 has more sensitive wlan than the 810 | 09:44 |
| rm_you | cool, got a backup done | 09:44 |
| pupnik_ | er, better sensitivity | 09:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Fast taping, rm_you. :P | 09:45 |
| rm_you | lol? | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/taping/tapping/ | 09:46 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Fast tapping, rm_you. :P | 09:46 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | You only had 5 seconds, right? | 09:46 |
| rm_you | approx | 09:46 |
| rm_you | i kept trying till i got lucky | 09:46 |
| rm_you | and it lasted about 20 | 09:46 |
| BTobotras | gn_lib_phone_open fails with Can't connect: Connection refused. Any ideas? | 09:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just took me 40 seconds | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | 30 of which were the thing chugging away. :P | 09:48 |
| rm_you | i unchecked like everything | 09:48 |
| rm_you | and it completeld in about 6 | 09:48 |
| rm_you | so... | 09:49 |
| rm_you | Software Edition 2008 version 2.2007.51-3 for Nokia N800 | 09:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the one. | 09:50 |
| rm_you | you said earlier it was just a bootloader? >_> | 09:50 |
| * rm_you is tired | 09:50 | |
| GeneralAntilles | The only change from 50-2 -> 51-3 was the NOLO bootloader. | 09:51 |
| rm_you | ah, lol | 09:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the 51-3 image contains everything. | 09:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | xloader, secondary, and 2nd. | 09:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | BTobotras, did you leave your phone at home/work? :P | 09:53 |
| BTobotras | GeneralAntilles: no, this time I can use it via BlueZ :-) Now I want to skip discovery step by using maemo's saved phone settings -- trying to figure out where are they. | 09:54 |
| rm_you | hrmrm | 09:55 |
| rm_you | wheee, first startup <_< | 09:55 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: can I get a bluetooth adapter for PC and use that instead of wlan for internet? | 09:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, but you'd need to get PAN up and running on the tablet. | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I wonder if you might be able to fake DUN. . . . | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably about the same amount of work as setting up PAN on the tablet, though. | 09:56 |
| pupnik | that could be a nice option for people in companies that don't let them set up or get access to the company wlan | 09:57 |
| BTobotras | pupnik: what way PAN access is different from settings up wlan? :) | 09:57 |
| pupnik | dunno | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | BTobotras, in the way that you can use PAN in areas where wifi is prohibited. :P | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though it still wont help people in clean-room areas. | 10:00 |
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| johnx | heh...nothing like following the letter of the policy and not the intent... | 10:08 |
| pupnik | the best situation for my work has been: if someone is paying for my time, i don't abuse it by playing around. but i also don't ask permission to do what i need to do. | 10:11 |
| pupnik | can't always take that approach tho | 10:11 |
| johnx | it's always hard to find a good compromise in terms of security | 10:12 |
| rm_you | sup johnx | 10:13 |
| johnx | hey | 10:13 |
| rm_you | just reflashed >_> | 10:13 |
| johnx | what? with the new 51-3? | 10:13 |
| rm_you | yeah | 10:13 |
| johnx | why? | 10:14 |
| johnx | were you having the power-on problem? | 10:14 |
| rm_you | my device was already rebooting a lot randomly (watchdog, i guess...) | 10:14 |
| johnx | ah | 10:14 |
| rm_you | and then i did an upgrade today, and it started a rebootloop | 10:14 |
| rm_you | like, instead of randomly, once or twice a day, it was rebooting every 5 seconds or so | 10:14 |
| johnx | lame | 10:14 |
| rm_you | barely stayed up long enough to do a backup last time | 10:15 |
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| * johnx stays away from updates until other people test them :) | 10:15 | |
| rm_you | lol | 10:15 |
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| pupnik | Ordering for the 'First edition' Pandora may start in March, note that these will be beta versions of the console mostly for devs or hackers to try out and report back on. | 10:24 |
| synth_ian | LCARS 4.1 just went live a couple minutes ago. some minor bug fixes, and a 3rd color scheme. it's blue. http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD | 10:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | synthesize.us is throwing a bzip error. | 10:31 |
| leif__ | GeneralAntilles, where? | 10:32 |
| leif__ | On the device? | 10:32 |
| leif__ | I didn't think I needed bzip versions of Packages and Sources, but I'm making them now... | 10:33 |
| leif__ | they're in place now | 10:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Couldn't stat source package list http://synthesize.us ./ Packges (/var/lib/apt/lists/synthesize.us_debs_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) | 10:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | There it goes. | 10:35 |
| leif__ | looking at the access log now, i see lots of people were getting the bzip2 versions i had in place on the old release... but there was a .gz too, and when i just tested this a minute ago it worked for me on the latest OS with just a Packages.gz | 10:35 |
| * leif__ is confused | 10:36 | |
| leif__ | anyhow bzip2, gz, and uncompressed, we've em all now :) | 10:36 |
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| BTobotras | Where goes gconf store its settings? | 10:38 |
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| jku | BTobotras, usually when people ask that they're about to do something non-smart :) | 10:40 |
| jku | ~/.gconf/ | 10:41 |
| BTobotras | jku: sure thing, I just wanted to be sure OS stores phone settings there. It does :) I won't go there by hands :) 10x | 10:41 |
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| BTobotras | YESS. Found it... | 10:47 |
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| pupnik | I just love how two of my suggestions were implemented in the pandora design. | 10:49 |
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| sibbe | leif__, apt-get tries to download .bz2 versions if you have /usr/bin/bzip2 | 10:52 |
| sibbe | and yes, that is pretty dumb... | 10:52 |
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| leif__ | sibbe, thank you! I was still trying to figure that out | 10:52 |
| pupnik | new pandora mockup video by MWeston http://youtube.com/watch?v=djt2uLnJk6g | 10:53 |
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| BTobotras | Is "Dialling Tobotras at 322-223-332" grammatically correct? | 11:19 |
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| Proteous | sure | 11:22 |
| Proteous | but I think it's just "dialing" | 11:22 |
| BTobotras | ok | 11:23 |
| felipec | BTobotras: dialing at, sounds to me like the place where you are at, or he is | 11:25 |
| felipec | BTobotras: dialing on, sounds more like that particular phone | 11:26 |
| leif__ | the american heritage dictionary (on answers.com) seems to think "dialling" is ok, but "dialing" is many times more frequently seen by google | 11:26 |
| Proteous | the at just implies that Tobotras might have multiple phone numbers | 11:26 |
| BTobotras | felipec: 10x! | 11:26 |
| felipec | BTobotras: but I'm not a native English speaker | 11:26 |
| BTobotras | Proteous: and I do! | 11:26 |
| Proteous | :P | 11:26 |
| Proteous | according to merriam-webster, either dialing or dialling is okay | 11:29 |
| Proteous | along with dialed and dialled | 11:30 |
| felipec | at, could be "at home" or "at noon" or "at conference room" | 11:30 |
| johnx | How about "Calling Bob (123-456-7890)" | 11:30 |
| johnx | ? | 11:30 |
| felipec | and actually on: could be "on skype" =/ | 11:30 |
| Proteous | heh | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 11:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was just gonna paste that, johnx. | 11:30 |
| johnx | I had it typed up before, but I didn't want to make things more confusing... O_o | 11:31 |
| BTobotras | johnx: that looks the best way | 11:31 |
| Proteous | "Dialing 123-456-7890 to contact Bob, Doe via telephone at his home in Richmont NC" | 11:32 |
| Proteous | "ETA to pickup 5 seconds" | 11:32 |
| Proteous | "Based on previous voice analysis cross referenced with call times there is a 69.2% chance that bob will be pissed at you for calling him at this late hour" | 11:34 |
| Proteous | now there is a phone I would buy | 11:34 |
| johnx | That's not even a complete sentence! *Who* is dialing that number? the tablet? you? and what are the exact latitude and longitude? :P | 11:34 |
| Proteous | heh | 11:34 |
| Proteous | It's a work in progress | 11:34 |
| johnx | tonight on the maemo channel, UI critiques... | 11:35 |
| pupnik | I think "dialinx $Name at $Number" is the best solution | 11:38 |
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| pupnik | *dialing | 11:38 |
| Tama^2 | "dialling for $$$. I need them!" | 11:39 |
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| * Tama^2 holds out an hat upsidedown to the channel | 11:40 | |
| Tama^2 | ====:D <- I need an haircut | 11:40 |
| Tama^2 | I need your contribution | 11:40 |
| Proteous | we need your support | 11:40 |
| Proteous | /dcc send Tama^2 $5 | 11:41 |
| Tama^2 | wow | 11:41 |
| Tama^2 | thanks | 11:41 |
| * Tama^2 torns on himself with anime nudity effect | 11:41 | |
| Tama^2 | voila' | 11:41 |
| Tama^2 | =:D | 11:42 |
| Tama^2 | shorter hair | 11:42 |
| Tama^2 | s/torns/turns/ | 11:42 |
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| Pretoriano | hi! | 12:53 |
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| Pretoriano | hi? | 13:17 |
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| leif__ | hi. | 13:20 |
| Pretoriano | anyone can help me compilint ettercap? | 13:20 |
| leif__ | Pretoriano, sorry, no. Someone started a garage project for it already ( https://garage.maemo.org/projects/ettercap/ ) but released nothing | 13:23 |
| Pretoriano | yes, I | 13:24 |
| Pretoriano | :D | 13:24 |
| leif__ | ah :) | 13:24 |
| Pretoriano | i have succesful compiled | 13:24 |
| Pretoriano | but not with all features | 13:24 |
| leif__ | I haven't used ettercap in years | 13:24 |
| leif__ | fun program tho | 13:24 |
| Pretoriano | there is one feature that i can't get working... | 13:24 |
| Pretoriano | yea | 13:25 |
| leif__ | what doesn't work? | 13:25 |
| Pretoriano | dissector dns | 13:26 |
| Pretoriano | i'm going crazy | 13:26 |
| Pretoriano | i have no idea whats happening | 13:26 |
| Pretoriano | if you have a scratchbox working | 13:26 |
| Pretoriano | we can try now together | 13:26 |
| leif__ | sorry, i don't | 13:26 |
| Pretoriano | oks | 13:27 |
| Pretoriano | thanks:D | 13:27 |
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| oilinki3 | is canola2 only for tablets? I'm looking for some nice, quite fast music player for kubuntu laptop/mediaserver (mp3's mounted by nfs. about 20gb) amarok and rythmbox has been slow and not pretty. | 13:57 |
| Fang64 | You could run canola2 on kubuntu it'd be real awkward though lol | 13:59 |
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| oilinki3 | Fang64: heh. :) ok. then need to skip it. any suggestions? | 14:00 |
| Fang64 | dunno if your just wanting to listen to mp3s | 14:01 |
| Fang64 | tried XMMS? | 14:01 |
| Fang64 | that'd be very basic though | 14:01 |
| Fang64 | I don't know of anything that'd have organizational features without too much bloat | 14:01 |
| oilinki3 | I tried.. it's kind of a good. a bit too simple. the album covers would be nice to browse | 14:01 |
| Fang64 | I like Amarok myself | 14:02 |
| Fang64 | it's fast at least for me | 14:02 |
| Fang64 | but I'm on a nicer system | 14:02 |
| Fang64 | probably | 14:02 |
| oilinki3 | for me amarok seems to check for the media forever. | 14:02 |
| Fang64 | uhm odd | 14:02 |
| Fang64 | I have mp3s on a nfs never had that issue what version? | 14:03 |
| oilinki3 | maybe due nfs-mount | 14:03 |
| oilinki3 | should be the latest version. let me check | 14:03 |
| oilinki3 | amarok 1.4.8 | 14:04 |
| Fang64 | ah I'm 1.4.6 | 14:04 |
| Fang64 | I haven't updated | 14:04 |
| leif__ | i recently started using "Quod Libet" on my Debian desktop, and it is quite featured but a little slow | 14:05 |
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| Fang64 | I dunno if there would be a change on how the media check is handled between the 2 versions | 14:05 |
| leif__ | it is made with PyGtk and Gstreamer | 14:05 |
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| Fang64 | that's worth a try | 14:05 |
| BugBlue | I want a new mplayer... with N810 native video support... | 14:06 |
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| Fang64 | good luck with that one | 14:07 |
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| BugBlue | it's in the repository already according to the forum.. | 14:07 |
| Fang64 | ah | 14:08 |
| BugBlue | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?aid=2095 | 14:09 |
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| Fang64 | was it released as a patch? | 14:10 |
| BugBlue | "Fix committed to SVN. Thank you again." I don't think so.. | 14:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | "N810 native video support"? | 14:11 |
| Fang64 | *Yawns* have you tried to get to the svn and compiling it? | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | mplayer is in extras-devel | 14:12 |
| Fang64 | ah | 14:12 |
| Fang64 | 2008-02-01 so this was pretty recent | 14:13 |
| BugBlue | mmm guess I have to update :-( | 14:13 |
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| BugBlue | oke | 14:16 |
| BugBlue | editting the binary works fasster than a recompile | 14:16 |
| BugBlue | change /proc/cpuinfo to /tmp/bcpuinfo | 14:16 |
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| BugBlue | cat /proc/cpuinfo to /tmp/bcpuinfo | 14:16 |
| BugBlue | change Nokia RX-44 to Nokia N800 in /tmp/bcpuinfo | 14:17 |
| BugBlue | works | 14:17 |
| BugBlue | fast | 14:17 |
| BugBlue | now I can watch goodbye lenin :D | 14:17 |
| * BugBlue << lazy as hell | 14:18 | |
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| hrw|gone | BugBlue: I patched mplayer binary: s/N800/RX-4/ | 14:45 |
| hrw|gone | bye | 14:45 |
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| solmumaha | pupnik: awake? | 15:04 |
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| lcuk_3 | is it possible to configure my 810 to use bluetooth networking to achieve the same as the current 810->wifi->wifidongle->computer link and have full networking and dns and internet and everything? | 16:34 |
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| lcuk_3 | all i see about networking are using bt DUN profiles on phones | 16:34 |
| shackan | well, I do use bluetooth networking from my tablet in place of wifi (since at home it saves a lot of battery) | 16:36 |
| kulve | hmm.. Is the 2.6.21.0-osso71 the latest kernel source? | 16:38 |
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| lcuk_3 | shackan, you dont happen to have a link to instructions do you because i cant suss out exactly what i need to do | 16:39 |
| lcuk_3 | and does it work well? | 16:39 |
| lcuk_3 | i managed to get it all working on my old pda and it worked nicely for a while but it prefered to be in wired mode | 16:39 |
| shackan | it works well, but I don't have a link, I wrote a little python script (a couple of lines) but I don't have the device with me now | 16:40 |
| lcuk_3 | ok, well at least i'm not the first to want/manage to do it - ill keep looking :) | 16:40 |
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| leif__ | lcuk_3, I haven't used PAN since OS2007, but here is the ITT thread on the subject: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12666 | 16:56 |
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| shackan | you need to use dbus to start PAN on 2008 | 16:56 |
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| leif__ | yes. | 16:57 |
| lcuk_3 | thanks leif, at least now i know where i was going wrong with google foo - os2008 instead of n810... | 16:57 |
| vinilios_ | any idea on how to login on armel shell using sb2 ? | 16:57 |
| lcuk_3 | ill read up on how to do and hopefully save some battery | 16:57 |
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| lcuk_3 | vinilios_, are you using the vmware box? | 16:58 |
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| vinilios_ | lcuk_3: unfortunately no | 17:00 |
| vinilios_ | i installed sdk+ localy | 17:01 |
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| lcuk_3 | can you get into the x86 shell? | 17:04 |
| lcuk_3 | as in, set it with the x86 target | 17:04 |
| vinilios_ | yup | 17:04 |
| lcuk_3 | right, the you need to stop the current session with ermmm 2 secs | 17:05 |
| lcuk_3 | af-sb-init.sh stop | 17:05 |
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| lcuk_3 | that should stop the xephyr emulator thing | 17:06 |
| lcuk_3 | then run sb-menu which should allow you to choose targets | 17:06 |
| vinilios_ | /home/vinilios/.maemo-sdk/rootstraps/armel/chinook40_armel/usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: Error, /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh does not exist or is not readable | 17:06 |
| vinilios_ | sb-menu doesn't exists | 17:07 |
| vinilios_ | ony sb2-* commands | 17:07 |
| lcuk_3 | hmmm dunno then, im just reading on the sb instructions i got with the vmware box - you're prob gonna have to find their analog in sb2 | 17:07 |
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| Pretoriano | hi | 17:13 |
| Pretoriano | anyone can help me with a port? | 17:14 |
| zoran | porto wine? | 17:14 |
| Pretoriano | nop | 17:14 |
| Pretoriano | a port of ettercap | 17:15 |
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| GNUcoso | Hi | 17:18 |
| Pretoriano | hi | 17:18 |
| GNUcoso | Ciao Pretoriano! :) | 17:18 |
| Pretoriano | ... | 17:19 |
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| vinilios_ | any scratchbox repositories for debian testing ? | 17:21 |
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| ulises | anybody knows how to run debian sid inside scratchbox? or at least cross-compile packages for sid? | 17:39 |
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| pupnik | hey sol | 17:55 |
| pupnik | solmumaha: | 17:55 |
| pupnik | the light was besutiful today | 17:56 |
| melmoth | Any velib' users ? I'm happy to announce http://sayhoo.garage.maemo.org/ :-) | 17:56 |
| pupnik | the people walked around the 1200 year old marketplace like flys, or ghosts | 17:56 |
| lcuk_3 | or zombies | 17:56 |
| pupnik | and i could sense the thousands of people who sat in the same place i did by the fountain | 17:56 |
| zoran | or hungry people | 17:56 |
| pupnik | before returning to the earth | 17:56 |
| lcuk_3 | BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSS | 17:56 |
| pupnik | lcuk_3: i would wager $1000 you are american | 17:57 |
| pupnik | you have no concept of time or history or culture | 17:57 |
| lcuk_3 | cool, you just lost $1000, i'd like it paid in UK English pounds please | 17:57 |
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| pupnik | i said i would wager it, i did not | 17:57 |
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| lcuk_3 | i do actually, i used to spend time around the markets - the biggest i used to go to was melton mowbery - it was massive and full of antiques and people milling around and the ambience was really relaxing | 17:58 |
| Alendit_ | hey, does anyone know how i can change uaprofile on my n800/os2008 | 17:58 |
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| pupnik | i apologise for my attitude lcuk_3 ... very smashed atm | 17:59 |
| lcuk_3 | dont worry pupnik, infact enjoy yourself | 17:59 |
| lcuk_3 | ive got questions and ponderments but they can wait :) | 17:59 |
| pupnik | i will go somewhere full of idiots to sink some barbs before I go to bed | 18:00 |
| lcuk_3 | your gonna break into the Windows user club? | 18:00 |
| Alendit_ | hey, anyone an idea on how i can set uaprofile on my n800? | 18:06 |
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| Species8473 | hello | 18:09 |
| Species8472 | hi! | 18:09 |
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| keesj | hi | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | hrm. is it possible to mix x86 toolset and gcc armel compiler in scratchbox? | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | trying to run something in python2.5 (armel) which doesnt work cos of opendir() not existing :P | 18:16 |
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| Alendit_ | http header modification with microb? anyone an idea? | 18:25 |
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| j0tt | Alendit_: proxy? | 18:26 |
| Alendit_ | set up a proxy for just one line in header? | 18:26 |
| Alendit_ | i'm not really sure | 18:26 |
| j0tt | well just an idea you asked for ;) | 18:26 |
| Alendit_ | thx ;) | 18:26 |
| Alendit_ | it would be so great if microb could run normal ff extensions | 18:27 |
| j0tt | dunno.. i suspect the ua is hardcoded.. | 18:27 |
| Alendit_ | there an extension for ff that can change http header | 18:29 |
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| Alendit_ | you can just add a line in header | 18:29 |
| Alendit_ | but i got no idea how to port it to n800 | 18:29 |
| j0tt | anyone using the xomap randr (rotation) patch with os2008? it seems to have problems to restore the screen after a blank/sleep otherwise it works nice... | 18:31 |
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| MangoFusion | a randr patch? where? ;) | 18:32 |
| j0tt | MangoFusion: http://labs.vivi.eng.br/blog/?p=39 | 18:33 |
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| MangoFusion | neat | 18:34 |
| j0tt | yeah.. microb works just fine with it.. | 18:34 |
| MangoFusion | sadly no instructions for idiots. maybe i'll wait ;) | 18:35 |
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| j0tt | it's not finished yet as it seems.. wonder if it's easy to fix | 18:37 |
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| solmumaha | pupnik: can you update the ja2 post at itt and add the demo? | 18:46 |
| pupnik | i saw no pm from you | 18:48 |
| pupnik | i updated the last bin you gave me | 18:49 |
| solmumaha | last post on page 8 | 18:49 |
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| solmumaha | demo's data files take about 110 mb, too bad you need windows to get them | 18:50 |
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| melmoth | dans ce cs, ^\w+$ devrait le faire | 19:42 |
| melmoth | oups | 19:42 |
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| Alendit_ | anyone who ported ff extensions to microb here? | 19:49 |
| Species8472 | no | 19:50 |
| Alendit_ | it's sad | 19:51 |
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| Alendit_ | there should be an easy way to add uaprof to n800 browser.... | 19:58 |
| Alendit_ | it's just stupid that it so easy to do on wince and pocketie | 19:59 |
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| Alondria | Is there a way to launch just a flash player without the browser? | 20:13 |
| tank-man | a video? | 20:14 |
| tank-man | i just convert flash videos to mpg/avi | 20:15 |
| Alondria | A Flex2 swf. | 20:15 |
| Alondria | An interface to search for mp3 and play them. | 20:15 |
| tank-man | i have no idea what that is | 20:15 |
| Alondria | Flex2 is an development bit to create flash apps. I built an app that queries a server to pull in mp3 search results, allowing adding the song matches to a playlist and play them. It works "okay" within the browser, however it sucks mass ram - figured if I was able to launch the swf without the browser, it would be smoother. | 20:17 |
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| pH5 | solmumaha: I tried straciatella svn, nice how it works out of the box. anybody planning to hack this to do 800x480? | 21:41 |
| solmumaha | pH5: it is 800x480 except for the menus | 21:43 |
| solmumaha | do you have svn-2 version? | 21:43 |
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| Koshi | Out of interest, what is the bandwidth that the video decoder can do in n810? | 21:48 |
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| Andy80^ | hi all | 21:53 |
| ^Jsn^ | hey | 21:54 |
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| [A]ndy80 | uhm... cannot understand where I'm connected from, with the other nickname | 21:54 |
| [A]ndy80 | this is my notebook | 21:55 |
| Andy80^ | this is n810 | 21:55 |
| [A]ndy80 | but.... "Andy80" who is using it? | 21:55 |
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| Koshi | donno, best bet is to register a nick | 21:57 |
| [A]ndy80 | "Andy80" is registered | 21:59 |
| solmumaha | Andy80 [n=Andy80@host18-201-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] | 21:59 |
| solmumaha | so it is you | 21:59 |
| [A]ndy80 | look at the whois: [Andy80] (n=Andy80@host18-201-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it): Andrea Grandi | 21:59 |
| [A]ndy80 | it's my ip | 21:59 |
| [A]ndy80 | but don't know where I'm connected from | 21:59 |
| [A]ndy80 | on this pc I only have xchat open | 21:59 |
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| [A]ndy80 | and on the n810 only xchat | 22:00 |
| [A]ndy80 | so... what other application is using it? | 22:00 |
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| pope523_ | Whatever you just closed? | 22:01 |
| [A]ndy80 | I just closed xchat on n810 | 22:01 |
| [A]ndy80 | but the "Andy80" nick is still in use | 22:02 |
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| Koshi | must of left a machine on somewhere :) | 22:03 |
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| [A]ndy80 | :) | 22:10 |
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| hrw | [A]ndy80: if Andy80 is your registered nick then you can tell nickserv that you want it back ;D | 22:23 |
| pH5 | solmumaha: oh, sorry, I've compiled upstream. where are your sources? | 22:23 |
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| [A]ndy80 | hrw: the problem is that it looks like it has my ip | 22:24 |
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| j0tt | [A]ndy80: use tcpdump/wireshark and trace the source computer ;) | 22:24 |
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| Andy80 | now it's free :) | 22:25 |
| Andy80 | available sorry | 22:25 |
| solmumaha | pH5: sry, i meant my package, i released 0.7_svn-2 that is compiled for 800x480 | 22:25 |
| solmumaha | it also has right click with the menu button down | 22:27 |
| j0tt | mh any blizzard experts around? :) ( ssvb ? ).. i'm trying to fix the rotation kernel patch, i got it so far that suspend/resume works but when i rotate while in suspend the resume still fails.. | 22:27 |
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| ssvb | j0tt: how is rotation different from any other type of screen update? | 22:30 |
| ssvb | j0tt: does everything else work but this feature? | 22:30 |
| j0tt | that the dimension of the display changes | 22:30 |
| j0tt | ssvb: as far as i can tell, yes.. | 22:31 |
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| j0tt | my current solution is to update blizzard.screen_width/height in the blizzard_set_rotate method | 22:31 |
| j0tt | with this suspend/resume with a rotated screen works | 22:32 |
| ssvb | j0tt: do you change framebuffer layout for rotation? | 22:32 |
| j0tt | yes, the rotation is set via the BLIZZARD_PANEL_CONFIGURATION register.. | 22:33 |
| j0tt | http://labs.vivi.eng.br/blog/rotation-patches/0001-Adding-support-to-rotation-on-blizzard.patch | 22:33 |
| j0tt | that's the patch i'm trying to fix.. | 22:33 |
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| j0tt | http://pastebin.ca/915469 that's what i use atm.. | 22:35 |
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| Navi | I got mah N800! | 22:37 |
| jott | Navi: congratulations :) | 22:37 |
| Navi | :D | 22:38 |
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| jott | the return if POWER_SAVE is on was a test if it helps to reject the call but apparently this is not propaged upwards correctly - as xrandr still sets the rotation | 22:39 |
| Veggen | does there exist sources for mediastreamer somewhere? the svn seems empty. | 22:39 |
| Veggen | I want to find out how it finds where to send broadcast to find the upnp stuff. | 22:40 |
| ssvb | jott: well, I don't have anything useful to say at the moment, sorry, I'm quite sleepy | 22:40 |
| jott | ssvb: no problem.. thanks anyway... | 22:41 |
| Veggen | (and possibly make it changeable. I have a couple on my home network, if I could force it to use my openvpn tunnel to get to the wired network ;) | 22:41 |
| jott | maybe i'll try to catch the error and disallow rotation while in suspend.. | 22:41 |
| jott | on the other hand it's a rare usecase to rotate while the display is off ;) | 22:42 |
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| ssvb | jott: I'm now doing some final tests before posting a patch with some Nokia 770 wlan driver performance optimization | 22:43 |
| ssvb | 20-30% faster sending data to the device | 22:44 |
| * Stskeeps cuddles his pypy-stackless on n800 | 22:44 | |
| Stskeeps | fun little thing | 22:44 |
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| Stskeeps | something interesting in being able to suspend a tasklets state and store to disk or migrate to other machines | 22:45 |
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| jott | arg.. i got it *slaps head on table*.. it's not possible to change registers while in suspend as they are restored to the state before suspend when resuming.. so the clean way seems to be throwing/catching an error (or update the stored registers which seems quite a big hack) | 23:04 |
| jott | anyway.. it seems the solution is in reach ;) | 23:04 |
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| Proteous | I'd just throw up a big error box saying "Don't do that while in suspend dumby" | 23:14 |
| Proteous | in other news, I have too many computers | 23:15 |
| jku | could someone try installing openssh via the .install file at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/openssh/ ? | 23:16 |
| jku | Ed (the maintainer) is saying it works, but... well, it doesn't for me. | 23:16 |
| Proteous | will it install on OS2006? | 23:16 |
| Proteous | :P | 23:16 |
| jku | I'm interested in OS2008 | 23:16 |
| jott | Proteous: heh yeah.. well i'm still in kernel context so it's just a return value equivalent of the message box ;) | 23:16 |
| Proteous | I don't trust anyone named ED | 23:17 |
| Proteous | hhe | 23:17 |
| Proteous | s/hhe/heh/ | 23:17 |
| infobot | Proteous meant: heh | 23:17 |
| jku | Proteous, is Eduard any better? | 23:17 |
| Proteous | you are so smart infobot | 23:17 |
| Proteous | what would we do without you | 23:17 |
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| Proteous | we couldn't comunicate, it would be confusion and suffering | 23:17 |
| jku | it doesn't matter if you have openssh already, the error should show up anyway | 23:18 |
| Proteous | I only have a n770 | 23:18 |
| Proteous | it does have openssh on it though :P | 23:18 |
| jku | sorry, you're useless then :) | 23:18 |
| Proteous | heh | 23:18 |
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| mgedmin | jku: I once installed openssh on OS2008 (on a n800) | 23:33 |
| mgedmin | I don't remember if I used the .install file, or if I enabled the extras repo (which is there out of the box) and used the application installer | 23:33 |
| mgedmin | I probably used the installer | 23:33 |
| jku | mgedmin, can you try the .install file? | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | there's no need, it's obvious that that .install file is broken | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | it works for OS2006 and OS2007 only, not for OS2008 | 23:34 |
| jku | That's what told Ed, he claims it works for him | 23:34 |
| mgedmin | there might have been some misunderstanding | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | I think I saw that thread on the ml | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | openssh works; openssh can be installed; that specific .install file does not work on os2008 | 23:35 |
| jku | we've been emailing back and forth a bit | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | it would need five more lines | 23:35 |
| jku | yep | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | actually, wait | 23:35 |
| mgedmin | if you manually enable the extras repository in the app installer | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | it could very well mean that .install file starts working | 23:36 |
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| jku | for some reason it did not work for me even then | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | because it says to install the "openssh" package, it doesn't say "add the extras repository" | 23:36 |
| mgedmin | meh, I'll just replace that .install with the correct auto-generated one from http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/install/openssh.install | 23:38 |
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| mgedmin | there, done | 23:38 |
| mgedmin | should work now | 23:38 |
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| jku | mgedmin, yeah that one works nicely | 23:40 |
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| jku | do you mean you updated the install file on the downloads page? | 23:41 |
| mgedmin | yes | 23:41 |
| jku | I guess it takes a while to get distributed? | 23:42 |
| Tama^2 | Hello | 23:42 |
| mgedmin | I wouldn't think so | 23:44 |
| mgedmin | wait, hm, something's not right | 23:44 |
| mgedmin | it still gives me the old file | 23:44 |
| mgedmin | caching or did I forget to press save? | 23:44 |
| jku | yes, same here | 23:44 |
| mgedmin | caching probably :( | 23:45 |
| ^Jsn^ | Does anyone know if anyone has attempted to install the Microsoft PPC operating system on an N810? | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | I remember when completely broken .deb files we cached for *weeks* during the christmas fiasco | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | the edit page has the new url | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | ^Jsn^: what's PPC? | 23:45 |
| ^Jsn^ | pocket pc | 23:46 |
| ^Jsn^ | like the put on Ipaq's | 23:46 |
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| ^Jsn^ | They* | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | I doubt anyone has attempted it | 23:47 |
| hrw | ^Jsn^: to do that you have to pay license for windowsmobile first | 23:47 |
| mgedmin | and I'm convinced that there's no way it could possibly work | 23:47 |
| hrw | ^Jsn^: and it $$$$$ | 23:47 |
| mgedmin | I also fail to understand why would anyone want to voluntarily use a microsoft mobile os | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | well, okay, tastes differ | 23:48 |
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| ^Jsn^ | I have the PPC 2008 cd, there are more 3rd party apps than are currently available for maemo | 23:48 |
| jku | I was wondering about that too, but hey some people do line dancing | 23:48 |
| Proteous | some people like pain and suffering | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | ^Jsn^: isn't that hard to port 3rd party stuff really :P | 23:49 |
| Proteous | and bringing somewhat snappy hardware to a screeching halt | 23:49 |
| ^Jsn^ | Personally, I have always wanted to get into linux, but I hate command line operating systems. | 23:49 |
| hrw | ^Jsn^: buy toshiba g900 then | 23:49 |
| hrw | ^Jsn^: 800x480 screen, lot of goodies inside and windowsmobile | 23:49 |
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| hrw | ^Jsn^: and then /part #maemo ;D | 23:50 |
| ^Jsn^ | lol | 23:50 |
| ^Jsn^ | why does everyone have to take stuff personally | 23:50 |
| ^Jsn^ | you act like you wrote maemo | 23:50 |
| hrw | ^Jsn^: 'I hate command line operating systems.' so you do not like DOS, Windows (there is command line shell in it), linux, osX etc? | 23:51 |
| hrw | ^Jsn^: me? I am not fan of maemo | 23:51 |
| hrw | I bought n810 mainly because it is cheapest armv6 linux device with keyboard/storage/wifi | 23:51 |
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| ^Jsn^ | yeah me to. All except for the linux part. | 23:52 |
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| jku | ^Jsn^, sorry. But the idea of getting a closed source OS running on wildly different hardware is pretty far fetched | 23:53 |
| jku | That's why the comments got out of hand... | 23:53 |
| felipec | anyone willing to give a try to my new very simple media player? | 23:54 |
| Proteous | does it play OGG? | 23:54 |
| Proteous | :P | 23:54 |
| Proteous | just kidding | 23:54 |
| hrw | felipec: does it play media over samba? | 23:54 |
| felipec | Proteous: whatever GStreamer supports | 23:54 |
| felipec | hrw: do you have anything that does that? | 23:55 |
| hrw | felipec: moment | 23:55 |
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| felipec | hrw: there's a media player called moment? | 23:56 |
| hrw | felipec: ;D | 23:56 |
| hrw | felipec: when I doubleclick on mp3 over samba share in filemanager then maemo mediaplayer plays it | 23:57 |
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| MangoFusion | i seem to recall some hackers got Windows Mobile 6 working on an Axim X50, unofficially. so maybe there is some hope in that dodgy area | 23:58 |
| hrw | MangoFusion: no | 23:58 |
| felipec | hrw: ahh, that's good because this thing doesn't even have a menu, so it should work the same... you double click over an mp3 and it will play it | 23:59 |
| MangoFusion | ? | 23:59 |
| hrw | MangoFusion: axim x50 is powered by windowsmobile so getting newer version is simpler then getting windowsmobile on HW not supported at all under WM | 23:59 |
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