IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-02-22

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johnxhey ulises00:18
uliseshey johnx00:18
uliseshow's it going?00:18
johnxpretty good00:18
johnxjust got up00:18
johnxgot your pm on itt00:19
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johnxwhich version of xomap are you using?00:20
ulisesmanaged to solve it00:20
ulisestslib wasn't on ldconfig's path00:20
ulisesbtw, just got up? whereabouts are you?00:20
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ulisesgmt+11 ?00:21
ulisesish ?00:21
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johnx+9 actually00:22
dtahtbotjohnx: Error: "9" is not a valid command.00:22
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ulisesearly bird then00:22
* johnx makes coffee, eats breakfast, back in a sec00:22
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Species8472nooooo someone just stole my N800 :( :( :(00:30
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ulisesjohnx: let me know when you're back00:54
ulisesjust wanted to share my joy01:00
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ulisesmanaged to get e16 running on my 77001:00
ulisespretty fast too01:00
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ulisesno merit though01:01
ulisesjust a compile + scp01:01
ulisesI'll make a deb though01:01
ulisesapple2 was after it i believe01:01
johnxcan you give me a rundown of what works vs what doesn't compared to my list for the N800?01:01
uliseslet's follow your howto01:02
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uliseswhat's the state of your work?01:10
johnxthe wiki is pretty up to date01:10
johnxI'm really close to having sound I think01:11
ulisesI'm re-doing this step by step because I wanted to test if your method worked, because I like doing stuff from scratch and because I'm a masochist ;)01:11
uliseswhat's your plan?01:11
ulisesI mean01:11
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ulisesonce you're done you could publish a dpkg --get-selection01:11
ulisesor something along those lines01:12
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ulisesto make the install a bit easier01:12
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johnxI'll probably stick to releasing tarballs01:15
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ulisesall right01:15
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johnxa lot of the tablet specific changes are configuration stuff that's not fixed just by installing a package01:15
johnxalso, the "how I did it" section is really obsoleted by work that *other* people have been doing on getting Debian onto the tablets01:16
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ulisesquick question01:16
ulisesabout the IT date/time01:16
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ulisesdo you get it reverted to 1970 when you boot your debian?01:16
johnxthere's a nice package called "tablet-utils" that obviates the need for some of my hacks01:16
* johnx checks01:16
johnxit's not in debian actually01:17
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johnxit's from in their bzr repository01:18
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uliseswhat does it do?01:18
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johnxit takes care of the situation with var, loads g_ether, takes care of other tablet-specific weirdness01:18
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ulisesah, nice01:19
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johnxthey also have the chinook/OS2008 hildon libraries and hildon-desktop packaged01:19
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ulisesnot there anymore (tablet-utils)01:19
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ulisesI'm afraid :(01:19
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johnxyou have to check it out with bzr from their bzr repo01:20
ulisesnever used that01:20
uliseshang on01:20
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johnx bzr branch
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ulisesthis is ridiculous01:21
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ulisesthe amount of stuff debian wants to install just to get bzr01:21
uliseslibcairo2 ?01:21
johnxI thought you were referring to how many SCMs exist today...01:22
epxis there some 'magic' folder in memory sticks so I could push applications through USB, and tablet would install them automatically?01:22
johnxepx, no01:22
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johnxsorry :(01:22
epxwill put as an enhancement suggestion at bugzill01:23
ulisesyou can use the file manager and point to a deb though01:23
ulisesi believe01:23
epxyes, I was thinking about something 100% automtaic01:24
johnxulises, it looks like I actually still have the right date and time, freshly booted into debian01:25
ulisessomething strange is happening on mine then01:25
ulisesevery time I boot01:25
johnxnot necessarily01:25
ulisesback to K&R's era :D01:25
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johnxthe 770 is fairly different from the N800...01:25
uliseshowever, not keeping the time is something that _even_ the 770 should do01:26
ulisesITOS 2006 does it01:26
ulisesfor some reason01:26
ulisesdebian doesn't recognise the Hz of the cpu neither01:26
johnxhmm? cat /proc/cpuinfo doesn't give you something reasonable?01:27
ulisesit gives me ~125 for bogomips01:27
Mouseypush the turbo button, then try01:27
johnxI think that might be right01:27
johnxthe bogomips formula for the 770 is probably MHz/201:28
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ulisesplus, when telnetting to it01:28
uliseson 'who' it'd say something about the Hz01:28
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ulisesif I ssh to it01:28
ulisesno problems01:28
johnxthat's something else01:28
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ulisesstripping it01:32
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* Tak hold breath, flash 2008HE01:38
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Takhmm, touchscreen already feels better than 2007HE01:42
ulisesall right folks01:44
ulisesoff to bed01:44
johnx'night ulises01:44
johnxthanks for the info01:44
ulisescheers johnx01:45
uliseskeep it up01:45
uliseswill try to contribute more01:45
Takholy cow - it's very responsive01:45
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pupnik2008HE tak?01:48
Takhmm, I can't install any packages, though01:49
pupnikbtw did you hear the .wav sample i posted?01:49
Takthey all say I conflict with libossomime001:49
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Takhmm, it seems to still use bora software...01:51
pupnikis anything installing for you tak?01:55
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Taknothing for chinook02:06
Takbora stuff installs fine02:06
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DeLe0ni finally could order the n810 with the discount... hope te get it in about 2-3 hours hehehe02:59
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pupnikTak: around? :)03:01
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pupnikis there a way to record whatever is playing over esd?03:07
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EruditeHermithey, in my scratchbox I get the following problems /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/run/utmp': Operation not permitted03:14
EruditeHermitand other messages like that03:14
EruditeHermitwhen I am upgrading packages03:14
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johnxwhat is the ownership of /var/run/utmp? what command are you using to upgrade?03:18
EruditeHermitapt-get upgrade03:18
johnxthe *ownership* of the file03:19
johnxalso, try fakeroot apt-get upgrade03:19
EruditeHermitmy user owns it03:20
EruditeHermitthats weird03:21
EruditeHermitwhy did the fakeroot work03:21
johnxactually...I don't really know in this situation03:22
EruditeHermitnow I got a little further03:22
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EruditeHermitnow I have that messagebus:messagebus problem again03:22
EruditeHermitshould I just reinstall the scratchbox?03:22
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EruditeHermit/scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user03:23
johnxwhat are you trying to install that complains about that?03:23
johnxand have you considered just making the user to shut it up?03:23
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EruditeHermitconsidered making the user what?03:24
johnxcreating that user03:24
EruditeHermitthere is no adduser command in scratchbox03:24
johnxjust append to passwd and groups03:24
EruditeHermitwhat sh do I give it?03:24
EruditeHermitand what group number and stuff03:25
johnxactually, hang the passwd in scratchbox just copied from your Linux install03:25
* johnx doesn't remember03:25
EruditeHermitI think its its own /etc/passwd03:25
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EruditeHermitjohnx: would this all go away if I reinstalled my scratchbox?03:27
johnxI don't know03:27
johnxmaybe, maybe not03:27
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johnxgrep messagebus /etc/passwd03:27
johnx(from inside scratchbox)03:27
EruditeHermitits not there03:28
EruditeHermitI guess I can copy /etc/passwd from my tablet03:28
EruditeHermitbut if messagebus isn't there, I think there might be more serious problems03:28
johnxactually, can you just pastebin your that file?03:28
johnxdid you do a dpkg --purge dbus or something like that?03:29
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EruditeHermitpastbining etc/passwd doesn't sound like a smart idea =p03:29
EruditeHermiteven if it is scratchbox03:30
johnxso don't pastebin the top like with root in it03:30
infobotjohnx meant: so don't pastebin the top line with root in it03:30
johnxyou can see for yourself that all the passwords are actually in shadow...03:30
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johnxactually...I guess it isn't shadowed in scratchbox...03:31
johnxfine, I'll pastebin mine and you can see if you're missing anything else compared to mine03:32
johnxmissing users for messagebus and haldaemon compared to mine03:32
EruditeHermitlet me just reinstall03:33
EruditeHermitand see if it has it03:33
johnxthat seems like a good idea03:33
EruditeHermitoh one question03:33
johnxif it was just one user I would have said, try recreating it and see what happens...but if two are gone that seems like evidence of a larger problem...03:33
EruditeHermitwhenever I login to scratchbox, it automatically goes to my target03:33
EruditeHermitis there a way to login to a targetless login03:34
EruditeHermitlike the first time I run scratchbox03:34
EruditeHermitso that I can delete that target03:34
EruditeHermitif you are logged into a target, it won't let you delete it03:34
johnxI guess you need to keep one target03:34
johnxyou can make another target, put nothing on it, switch to it and delete everything else if you want03:35
johnxwhy would you want to do this?03:35
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EruditeHermitjohnx: to delete the target that I have now03:35
EruditeHermitbut that works too03:35
EruditeHermitwhat is the difference between the cpu transparencies03:36
EruditeHermitarm and armeb etc03:36
EruditeHermitfor qemu03:36
johnxarmeb is arm eabi big endian03:36
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johnxarm is just arm little endian03:36
johnxarmeb isn't related to our tablets in any way :)03:37
EruditeHermitI thought the tablets were big endian03:37
johnxhmmm...I don't think so03:37
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johnxor at least they run software compiled for little endian03:38
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johnxEruditeHermit, pretty darn sure the tablets are little endian :)03:39
EruditeHermitfair enough03:39
EruditeHermitok reinstalling target03:39
elbone doesn't have to be "pretty sure" of such a thing03:41
elbprinting 0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x01 as an integer yields 16777216 -- they're little endian ;-)03:41
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EruditeHermithow do you add a user to scratchbox btw03:47
pupnikI fixed the sound in fceu!  At least up to the filter.c  Backend is still broken03:49
NaviDamned GeneralAntilles03:49
LateralusCan anyone give me any information about the task bar notification system?03:50
johnxEruditeHermit, /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser03:50
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Navipupnik, GeneralAntilles told me I should talk to you and become your "apprentice" or whatever. Of course, I don't know a lick of SDL.03:51
NaviWilling to learn, though.03:52
EruditeHermitjohnx: thanks03:53
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lcukpupnik, are you around04:11
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Navilcuk, busy working on fceu, he is.04:12
ekim|dt-linuxOk ... so now there is 2008 hacker edition for the 770 right04:12
Navior was04:12
ekim|dt-linuxhow can I install 2008 hacker edition on to my memory card ?04:13
lcukahh, lol i think he still will be04:13
ekim|dt-linuxplease ... tell me  , I am excited to get it onto my tablet!04:13
pupniknot sure, try following the houto for booting from mmc04:13
NaviThere are guides on how to do it, search google.04:13
lcukpupnik, i have been setting up a basic single format book reader which at the moment uses xv library but i have no fonts...04:13
lcuki tried the sdl version but couldnt build inside vmware box - have you any code around for bitmap handling thats not a library04:14
lcuksdl_ttf wasnt installed and i couldnt get it in04:14
ekim|dt-linuxOk...I never use my 770 I am just gonna slap 2008 he on there04:14
ekim|dt-linuxwhat do I have to loose04:14
ekim|dt-linuxI can't really brick it that easily can I ?04:14
ekim|dt-linuxand If I do...770's are like 40 bucks...04:15
johnxnot through flashing with the official flasher04:15
pupnikthe great sam latinga's canonical demo might help you lcuk  aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz04:15
lcukhasnt 770 get hardware bug with screens04:15
lcukahhh wicked, thanks pup :) im gonna see if i can get a book reading core with various front ends        - so i can see the differences and whats avail04:16
pupnikthere's also something called sdl-font04:16
pupnikor sdl-ttf04:16
lcuki grabbed that  a few weeks ago before i could handle compilation properly04:16
lcukthe library based solutions are giving a bit of hassle at the moment04:16
lcuki cant use apt because for some reason within the scratchbox console it has no dns04:17
ekim| I have the image right04:17
ekim|dt-linuxwhere do I get the flasher ?04:17
ekim|dt-linuxI am on linux04:17
ekim|dt-linuxplease...I am itching to install this04:18
lcukits harder work for me on 810 to open a browser and search for maemo 770 flasher...04:18
ekim|dt-linuxOhh sorry04:18
ekim|dt-linuxI just want to make sure i don't brick the thing04:19
pupnikfor the hacker edition get the flasher 3.004:19
lcukwith 770, there is a hardawre brick failure possible04:19
ekim|dt-linuxis the flasher generic04:19
ekim|dt-linuxwait...use flasher 3.0 on my 770 ?04:19
pupniki think it is compiled with static libs04:19
lcuki didnt think you could totally brick these? i always assumed you could flash whenever04:19
pupnikfor the newer hacker edition i believe04:19
lcukon the flasher page via nokia they have a statically linked one yes pup04:20
GeneralAntillesWSOD would be the hardware brick issue04:20
GeneralAntillesBut that doesn't really have anything to do with the flashing.04:20
lcukit would be a very pretty - almost illuminating - brick though04:20
lcukpupnik, hows emulator hacking going?04:21
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lcukand by gum i could use this apple keyboard anytime, its a joy to type on :)04:22
ekim|dt-linuxHmm...I don't want a brick04:22
ekim|dt-linuxshould I wait04:22
ekim|dt-linuxI am on os 200604:22
GeneralAntillesEw . . . silicone nipples. <_<04:22
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lcukread up on white screen of death - its a hardware fault possible on 770 only, it doesnt appear to be software driven though04:23
pupniki fixed one part of fceu yaay me!04:23
lcukexcellent, only 7966  more?04:23
ekim|dt-linuxso wtf do I do ?04:23
ekim|dt-linuxis it dangerous for me to flash os 2008 he ?04:23
lcukis this an already ported to maemo hack or are you bringing it kicking and screaming from another device?04:24
ekim|dt-linuxcan someone please give me a straight answer ?04:24
lcukekim, before you mentioned it i didnt know there was an '08 hack, might be an idea to see what people have said about it in on internettablettalk04:24
johnxekim|dt-linux, I don't have a 770, but I'm pretty sure 2008he is not going to brick your device04:25
ekim|dt-linuxso I got the image right04:25
ekim|dt-linuxhow do I flash it ?04:25
johnxno idea. no 770 here...04:25
ekim|dt-linuxdamnit come on04:26
ekim|dt-linuxdoesn't anyone around here know anything04:26
ekim|dt-linuxbut nobody seems to know the answers04:26
ekim|dt-linuxnot your fault...04:26
ekim|dt-linuxI just want to get this thing done04:26
lcukekim|dt-linux, the BRAND NEW hacker edition appears to be at a testing phase only and on the announcement they say if you are not a power user you should avoid this release for now.    power users would know how to flash their devices because they would have done it before04:27
johnxif I were you I would first: 1) search itt and google and see if anyone knew ... then 2) just try flasher304:27
ekim|dt-linuxI have done it before04:27
ekim|dt-linuxjust not on linux04:27
johnxbut I have been known to do dangerous things04:27
ekim|dt-linuxbut flasher 3 is for the n80004:27
ekim|dt-linuxwont it brick a 770 ?04:28
GeneralAntillesWorked fine with flash-2.0.macosx here.04:28
johnxdunno, I just told you what I would do04:28
ekim|dt-linuxyou flashed 2008 HE on a 770 ?04:28
GeneralAntillesDon't you know anything, johnx? :P04:28
johnxI don't *have* a 77004:28
ekim|dt-linuxnot you... GeneralAntilles04:28
johnxsorry :{04:29
GeneralAntillesI said so, didn't I?04:29
infobotjohnx meant: sorry :P04:29
lcukif you want to reflash your device, great - most people have done it, but dont bitch at us because you dont get instant gratification.  there are plenty of prebuilt pages where people have documented exactly the sorts of questions you are asking, but on the whole they are longer than most comments i write (apart from this one)04:29
ekim|dt-linuxso you did it with flasher 2.004:29
ekim|dt-linuxand it worked fine04:29
* lcuk breathes04:29
johnxekim|dt-linux, he's on macosx. it's ... different ... over there04:29
ekim|dt-linuxreally...are you sure04:29
ekim|dt-linuxthis is what it says under the 770 part on the maemo wiki04:30
ekim|dt-linuxDownload the Linux flasher (2.0 or 3.0 which also works)04:30
ekim|dt-linuxso 3.0 also works with the 77004:30
ekim|dt-linuxbut also...04:31
ekim|dt-linuxthis is what it says on the FlashThe LatestNokiaImageWithLinux04:31
ekim|dt-linuxDownload the linux flasher04:31
ekim|dt-linuxbut it doesn't say where ...04:32
ekim|dt-linuxhow does that help me04:32
lcukclick the first result and follow the instructions04:33
ekim|dt-linuxohh thanks04:33
johnxekim|dt-linux, Nokia themsevles say flasher-3.0 works with the 77004:33
ekim|dt-linuxok great04:33
ekim|dt-linuxso I have the image ... the flasher04:33
ekim|dt-linuxnow all I have to do is plug it in ... and cross my fingers04:34
ekim|dt-linuxcan you guys all cross your fingers too just for added effect04:34
ekim|dt-linuxcrossing them...04:34
ekim|dt-linuxok good04:34
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ekim|dt-linuxso I boot the 770 up as normal ?04:36
johnxyeah, it should reboot after it's done flashing if you used -R04:37
ekim|dt-linuxwhat if I didn't do -R04:37
ekim|dt-linuxshould I add that04:37
ekim|dt-linuxok...I  am plugged in .. but it says "suitable usb device not found"04:38
GeneralAntillesturn off the 770, start the flasher, plug the 770 in, hold down the home key, turn on the 770.04:38
ekim|dt-linuxohh home key04:39
ekim|dt-linuxthe one with the little house on it ?04:39
ekim|dt-linuxI never use that04:39
Navipupnik, ping04:40
ekim| still won't find it04:40
ekim|dt-linuxwhat gives04:40
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ekim|dt-linuxGeneralAntilles, what did I do wrong ?04:41
johnxwhat about it isn't working?04:41
johnxwhat error message did you get?04:41
ekim|dt-linuxno error04:41
ekim|dt-linuxthe flasher just wont recognize the 77004:41
ekim|dt-linuxI have been booting from mmc04:42
ekim|dt-linuxbut I am booting from flash now04:42
ekim|dt-linuxI am holding the home key before I turn it on too just like GeneralAntilles said04:42
johnxthe USB icon didn't appear on the 770 when you turned it on with the USB cable plugged in?04:42
GeneralAntillesIs it plugged in?04:42
GeneralAntilles(to USB)04:42
jottand did you run it as root?04:43
jott(the flasher-3.0)04:43
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ekim|dt-linuxsudo ./flasher-3.0 -F SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R04:44
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ekim|dt-linuxI got it04:44
ekim|dt-linuxnow I am just gonna walk away04:45
ekim|dt-linuxsee  you in ... 2004:45
pupnikgood luck04:46
ekim|dt-linuxits rebooting04:47
ekim|dt-linuxnokia sound04:47
ekim|dt-linuxcome on ...04:47
ekim|dt-linuxit works04:47
ekim|dt-linuxthank you guys...04:48
ekim|dt-linuxand it seems pretty snappy ... even on my 77004:49
ekim|dt-linuxsorry for all the messages...hehehe04:49
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Navipupnik, are you ignoring me? :(04:50
infobotNavi meant: pupnik, are you ignoring me? :((((((04:51
ekim|dt-linuxor ... it could have been a freaky regex04:51
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ekim|dt-linuxwow...os2008 is slick04:51
ekim|dt-linuxthis will do for a bit , but I have to get me one of those sweet n810's04:52
ekim|dt-linuxdo any of you guys have them ?04:52
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pupnikwhat's up Navi04:58
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Navi[19:50:39] <Navi> pupnik, GeneralAntilles told me I should talk to you and become your "apprentice" or whatever. Of course, I don't know a lick of SDL.05:00
Navi[19:51:10] <Navi> Willing to learn, though05:00
pupniki don't know much either.  i started by installing scratchbox (which took me several days because I'm not very bright) then i started downloading sdl demos and games05:01
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pupnik  these are fun little programs to start with Navi05:02
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jottNavi: also look here and read
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EruditeHermitso I reinstalled and now when I try to build something, I get Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 82.05:11
pupnikjott: heh that wiki needs some revision05:11
jottso do the n770 demos :P05:12
jottbut most of the stuff still applies somewhat ;)05:12
jottfeel free to correct the page ;)05:13
jottmight be worth the effort ;)05:14
pupnikwell i made a couple of corrections already05:14
pupnikhmm users can write x server extensions (?)
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elbof course05:19
pupnikmmm a walnut tree means free walnuts all year05:26
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nwidgerso just how safe is it to install the native aim support package?  the one that you have to enable red pill mode to install.05:27
GeneralAntillesAt the moment, fine.05:27
nwidgerso you think i'd be safe?05:28
nwidgerno horror stories so far?05:28
nwidgerwords of advice?05:28
GeneralAntillesThe only real problem so far has been the reboot loop05:28
GeneralAntillesbut that's long gone.05:28
nwidgerah okay05:28
johnxI'd like to hope they're a little more careful after the reboot loop...05:28
nwidgerwell then i guess i'll give it a shot :)05:29
nwidgeryou're all to blame if anything goes wrong :P05:29
* johnx issues standard disclaimers...05:31
nwidgeranyone have the link to the page where i can install it?05:32
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pupnik68871    30.0197  fceu                     X6502_RunNormal07:14
pupnik36854    16.0641  fceu                     MMC5_ReadROMRAM07:14
pupnik25904    11.2911  fceu                     FCEU_SoundCPUHook07:14
johnxgot fceu behaving better?07:15
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pupniknow FPS is down again but sound is 95% smooth07:16
johnxthat's pretty cool07:16
pupnikanother day or two and it'll be pretty solid, at least on 400mhz N8x007:16
pupnikbut i don't know what fixed the sound backend :/07:17
pupnikso i am making backups07:17
johnxis a lot of it strictly armv6te w/ vfp or will it benefit other arm devices?07:17
pupnikno this is fixing some brain damaged stuff in the sound routines07:17
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pupnikwith better-working brain damaged stuff07:18
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pupnikwant to test it?07:22
pupnikdo you nave n8x0 and regular fceu installed?07:23
johnxno fceu installed yet07:23
johnxshould I install your fceu release from itt first?07:28
pupnikno Tak made fceu.  I think his latest is on or maybe in extras07:29
pupnikdo some playing with the std fceu and xmaeme - i need mostly to know about differences.  plays something worse, is missing sound samples etc07:31
johnxhmm...need to fix a dep problem with a package I compiled before I can install anything else :/07:34
pupnikyou can also wget the .deb an dinstall with dpkg -i07:35
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pupnikrebuilding again07:43
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johnxthis is surprisingly fast (!!)07:48
johnxin 0.98.12-9, the sound is a little messed up...07:49
pupniki'm working off 12-807:49
johnxi guess it's new07:50
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pupnikdoes the sound seem a little blubbery/bibbery/warbly?07:51
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pupnikthat was driving me bonkers07:52
pupnikhold on pm07:52
johnxand sometimes a game will be playing at a decent speed and then slowdown for a while and speed back up07:52
johnxit doesn't seem to be related to action in the game07:52
johnx(might be something else on my n80007:52
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EruditeHermitdoes anyone know what this means: Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 82.09:29
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NaviHeh, night09:33
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning09:38
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LoCusFGeneralAntilles: where did you get your Terminus font package for maemo?09:43
GeneralAntillesJust use the regular font.09:43
LoCusFjott's doesn't work anymore09:43
LoCusFthe ttf?09:43
GeneralAntillesWorks fine here.09:44
LoCusFoh cool09:45
LoCusFgotta put it to /usr/share/fonts right?09:45
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LoCusFyeah there it was09:57
LoCusFterminus looks supercool09:57
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* pupnik_ continues beating fceu into submission10:01
pupnik_Respect Mah Authoritah!10:01
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GeneralAntillesMaybe you should try giving it a little lovin', pupnik_. ;)10:21
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pupnik_you have OS2008 right GeneralAntilles ?10:28
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pope22hi, i'm considering picking up one of the Nokia N series, and this seemed like a good place to toss out questions.  The N770 is cheap around the net, but is worth buying?  Or would it be better to go with the 800 or 810?10:39
rkabiri'd recommend going with an N8xx for the new OS10:39
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pupnik_that's hard to answer10:39
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pupnik_if the 770 is sufficient for you, it is the most durable road warrior10:40
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pope22I had read a review that stated watching videos off site like youtube was too slugish to be useful, is this true? and does the slugishness reach to other areas of the device? I like the sound of "durable" because i'm sure it'll go everywher with me10:41
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pupnik_depends on so many factors. what do you want to do with it?10:41
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pope22it would be mostly for checking e-mail, iming and reading news around campus.  It would probably get used heavily for ebooks in txt and pdf format as well.  If it's up to it, it would be great if it would work well with, b/c NewsRadio on the go would be great ^_^10:43
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pupnik_if you're in bright light environments, and IMing the N810 can't be beat10:45
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pupnik_but a bluetooth keyboard is better if you're at a table10:47
pope22i was kinda leaning toward that one anyway, even though it's more expensive ^_^  Has the community gotten any other distros and/or desktops to work on the N810? or is maemo the onestop shop?10:48
pope22I do like the gps on the 810, i'd even pay for the directions capability if i buy that one10:49
pupnik_there's a KDE environment, a Matchbox environment and for alternate OSes there's a fully open version of ITOS in development, and a debian armel OS in development10:52
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pupnik_i haven't tried any of them myself10:52
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pope22^_^ Gotta love linux, we never accept what comes in the box.  Hmm...i'll have to sleep on this one, but it seems like whichever i buy will be quite useful10:53
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jku__pope22, wireless and powere management are still closed source, so the other OSes aren't very practical ATM10:56
JaffaMorning, all10:58
hahlocan't you reverse crack those closed drivers?10:59
Jaffajku__/pope22: although apparently the power management framework is so trivial that an open source replacement would be simple. The power mgmt itself is standard kernel stuff, IIRC10:59
pope22just the knowing that more options are in the works is good to know.  Perhaps, eventually, it'll be able to run it fully off open source software.10:59
trickie thats one of the alternatives... not for everyday use yet though11:00
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GeneralAntillesYes, pupnik_, need some testing?11:04
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* Tobotras signs. Spent half an hour trying to understand why hci_open_dev doesn't. Turned out that's 'cause I forgot my cell phone AT HOME :)11:06
Tobotras- sighs.11:06
pupnik_yes if you can actually run through a number of games and jot down notes for those which have problems11:06
pupnik_say over the weekend11:06
GeneralAntilles Sure, just point me to what I need to install, what games you want tested and anything in particular you want me to look for.11:08
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pupnik_Ok i need about 1.5-2 more hours11:08
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* Jaffa was trying to get Windows 3.11 running on Dosbox, but gave up when it involved copying floppy images. If someone had a pre-ready directory structure...11:09
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thphow can I make the scrollbars of a gtk.ScrolledWindow finger-friendly??11:37
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Jaffathp: eugh, you mean the fat scrollbars which waste screen space (but are more usable) but are applied inconsistently across OS2008?11:47
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MangoFusionyou could always grow your nails11:48
* Jaffa has a rant about it in
MangoFusiondrag to scroll tends not to work properly for me11:51
MangoFusionreally annoying11:51
MangoFusionesp in the browser11:51
JaffaThe current implementation is crap in that you drag over a link in the RSS reader and it thinks you clicked it.11:51
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JaffaAs a metaphor I think it's the right one on a finger-friendly tablet mobile device; just needs a better implementation.11:51
MangoFusionscroll bars are evil11:52
thpfound it (for python): hildon.hildon_helper_set_thumb_scrollbar(sw, True)11:52
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thpJaffa: yes, i mean these ;)11:52
Khertan_TheRealHi !11:53
Khertan_TheRealSomeone know if debsign is available for it device on OS2008 ?11:53
GeneralAntillesThe ITOS release is irrelevant for Debian.11:54
JaffaGeneralAntilles: presumably for uploading to extras-devel from the device11:54
* GeneralAntilles needs to learn how to read.11:55
Khertan_TheReali just need debsign to signing package created with pypackager to upload it to extras11:55
JaffaKhertan_TheReal: there was a thread about it recently on maemo-developers11:55
Khertan_TheReallol ! you have read debian ? :)11:55
* Jaffa read debian in first take too ;-)11:55
JaffaKhertan_TheReal: IIRC it's possible to sign it with gpg directly11:55
Khertan_TheRealJaffa > yes we are talking about uploading to extra on device ...11:55
Khertan_TheRealJaffa > this better !11:56
dtahtbotKhertan_TheReal: Error: "is" is not a valid command.11:56
Khertan_TheRealdo you know what debsign do ?11:56
Khertan_TheRealit just use gpg to sign the package ,11:56
JaffaI believe so, but I've not checked it for myself.11:57
Khertan_TheRealyes that s the problem ... i can't find information about this11:57
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Khertan_TheReal(on maemo-dev too)11:57
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Jaffa suggests gnupg can be used11:58
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Khertan_TheRealJaffa > they suggest it can be done ... but don't say what debsign do to reproduce it with gpg12:01
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Khertan_TheRealhum ... i'm really a newb with gpg ...12:04
Khertan_TheRealsomeone can explain me how to sign a file ?12:04
Khertan_TheReali ve tryed to sign a .changes with this command :12:04
Khertan_TheRealgpg -k 0x00000000 -s pypackager-0.7.0.changes12:04
Khertan_TheRealand i get a conflicting command error12:05
Khertan_TheReal(0x00000000 is my keys)12:05
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jku__Khertan_TheReal, -k is not what you think it is...12:11
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wndKhertan_TheReal, doesn't dpkg-buildpackage do the signing for you?12:16
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jku__wnd, he's making packages on the device12:19
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K-Foxi am using xchat on n800 but  can not read korea fonts12:19
K-Foxwhy ?12:19
TobotrasK-Fox: can you read them in other apps?12:20
K-Foxnope only xchat12:21
TobotrasK-Fox: chose correct korean font in xchat's settings?12:21
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Khertan_TheRealwnd> i'm trying to complete pypackager to sign and upload package to extras.12:23
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Spakman_I'm developing in ruby-maemo, but I'm not sure if this applied to Gtk on Maemo as a whole: When I append or prepend to a ListStore, my corresponding TreeView selection is updated for the new item. This doesn't happen (with the same code) on my desktop Gtk. Is there a way I can stop it happening?12:46
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wndjku__, oh12:50
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Khertan_TheRealARRRgfgggg !!! this gpg will make me bad !!!13:02
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inzKhertan, bad as in evil or as in lousy?13:03
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melmothKhertan_TheReal: from memory, no space afyter -k13:12
melmothKhertan_TheReal: what about debsign -k0x00000000 blabla.changes ?13:15
jku__melmoth, -k an d -s are both commands. Only one command allowed13:15
melmothmost probably, i never try to used both :)13:15
jku__melmoth, he doesn't have debsign on the device, that's the problem13:15
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|tbb|hi all, is it possible to direct play an mp3 from a network storage through mplayer or which player is suitable to do that13:30
Khertan_TheRealinz > both !13:36
Khertan_TheRealjku > so how can i choose which key gpg should use to sign the file ?13:37
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jkuKhertan_TheReal, not sure but try --local-user13:47
pupnikhehe oops.  don't do this   /etc/init.d/maemo-launcher stop13:53
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pupnik|tbb|: if your mp3 is on a windows share you can mount the drive with smbclient.  there are also mediaservers but i don't know about them14:04
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zchydemis there a document how to get signal about "power-button pressed". I'd like to react on that in my app?14:05
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zchydemin my understanding it's a DBus signal14:05
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zchydemnever mind the question, I solved it out14:30
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wwphi there!15:26
wwpthe .install files from my website open as text when clicked in a webbrowser - that's not handy to quick install from does that mean my .install files are incorrect or is this a httpd setting I should tune on my server?15:27
wwp(like assigning a mime contents to .install files)15:27
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JaffaYeah, it needs a MIME type setting.15:29
JaffaSee (IIRC)15:29
jottwwp: add  "AddType application/x-install-instructions install" to your .htaccess15:29
wwpthanks Jaffa and jott15:30
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cbx33hey guys - anyone know how can i do video calling from N810 to PC?15:55
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Robot101cbx33: sure16:04
Robot101cbx33: we've16:04
Robot101cbx33: we've just been working on it recently16:04
Robot101the latest HEAD of empathy, stream-engine, farsight and gst-plugins-farsight will do it, we think. we should make some releases soon, which should be available in debian/ubuntu/etc16:04
cbx33I just rememberd gstreamer on there16:05
cbx33so I'm going to try and do it with a shoutcast server16:05
cbx33I need to be in two places at once today16:05
cbx33this may just do what I want16:05
Takare you going to project your voice like the wizard of oz?16:06
cbx33no video....I need remote eyes today16:07
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pupniktak, i see fceu -9 in extras but not on garage.  what did you change?16:22
* Tak scratch head16:22
pupnikthe border around a and b buttons?16:23
pupnikin the -8 version from garage A and B have a white square16:24
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Takhah, I never heard about that16:26
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pupnikok maybe just a funky pallette issue i have16:27
pupnikyou do not have a N800?16:27
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pupnikTak ping16:28
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Taksorry, reading cvs log16:29
TakI gave my n800 to my fiancee, since she bought the 770 that got me started16:30
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pupnikSo it's not within reach?16:30
TakI don't show any cvs commits since 2007/10/1116:30
Taknot atm16:30
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NaviAw, how wonderful :)16:31
* Navi likes sappy stuff.16:31
pupnikI fixed the sound for most games on N8x016:31
pupnikit's still way too slow for 77016:31
feranyone here who uses "mediaserv" ?16:32
Takoh, the one in extras is because the -8 that got uploaded to extras was corrupted16:32
Takthere weren't any source changes16:32
pupnikok thanks16:32
Takpupnik: that's awesome16:33
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Takshould I move the fceu vcs to garage, so you can apply?16:34
pupnikit will be a while yet before I'm confident that the changes are worth releasing16:34
pupnikbut you can grab a binary if you can get a chance to borrow the n80016:35
Takhmm - how about I upload the source to svn, you commit your changes, and I'll do a bora build for testing until then?16:36
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pupnikthis stuff is very confusing16:36
pupnikthe main problem right now is buffersize and frameskip needs to be tweaked for several games, or different classes of games16:38
pupniki'd rather not have to do that16:38
Takcan you infer a good buffersize if you know the given frameskip?16:40
Takor is it not related to the video frameskip?16:40
pupnikit is16:41
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Takso can you infer a good buffersize if you know the given frameskip?16:42
pupnikat a given sampling rate i think so16:42
Takcommitted at
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pupnikok thanks16:43
Takwell, at least with xmaeme, frameskip and sample rate are given16:43
Takso if the buffer size can be auto-adjusted based on that, it should be a transparent change16:43
pupnikdo you think you could add profiles per game to xmaeme16:44
pupnikor are you still re-working the whole thing16:44
Takit can be done; I just need to work out a sane (and hopefully easy) way of persisting them16:46
pupnikmaybe you could steal some code from another frontend16:46
pupnikbut no hurry on this.  getting it reliable will take another few days at least16:47
Takmost of the ones that do things like that have an sqlite db or similar16:48
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Takthat's a whole layer of complexity I've been hesitating to add16:49
pupnikyes agree16:49
pupnikhow about a 50kb text file with up to 1000 entries16:49
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pupnikah it would be a bit larger16:50
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booleanwould this channel be safe bet to ask some troubleshooting questions?17:37
pupnikif it's about a nokia tablet17:37
Takwe won't set you on fire and drive you away17:37
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Takbut it's not guaranteed that we'll be able to help, either17:38
booleanwell if some1 can push me in the right direction, it would be great17:38
booleani have noticed some wierd issues involving the webcam and the latest OS17:38
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booleani managed to actually crash the device by using the mediaplayer, some camera software and the annoying habit of the webcam opening the internet chat each time one opens the cam17:39
booleanfirst off, is there a way to get the system to do some form of dump ?17:40
zoranon linux, it should as default if setdumpsize is not set to 017:40
booleansysctl I take it ?17:41
zorandunno about nokia sudo and busybox17:41
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zorannot sure if n810 could use sysctl17:41
zoranI have no 770 handy right now17:41
booleanmine is the n80017:42
zoranif memory footprint is beeger than ram, problem occurs to have dump17:42
booleanunless i can redirect it to a SD card17:42
zoranprobably paging is not an option for that!?17:43
booleandunno, i will have to loo17:43
zoranwhat if you redirect error to some file from command line calling the app?17:43
zoran2> etc17:43
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booleandidnk of that17:45
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GeneralAntillescore-dumps are done if there's a core-dump file on one of the cards.17:47
GeneralAntilleser, folder*17:47
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booleanok i will investigate17:49
Khertan_TheRealhuhu glade3 works on my n810 :)17:49
Khertan_TheRealand it s usable :)17:50
zoranGA, doesn't it show up in the dir the process is started?17:50
Khertan_TheRealnot fast ... but usable ...17:50
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Takwow, that's kind of surprising17:51
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ulisesis it wise to use a debian repository (arm) to upgrade scratchbox?18:24
TakI wouldn't18:25
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elbif you intend to use that repository on your IT, maybe18:25
ulisesok, no worries then18:26
ulisesI am :)18:26
elbscratchbox is intended only to be an emulated environment equivalent to your IT18:26
elbif you do crazy things to your IT, doing crazy things to your scratchbox to keep up is warranted18:26
Takhah, that's a good point18:27
elbjust keep in mind that anything you build in that scratchbox may not work on other people's tablets without extra dependencies, etc.18:27
ulisesgood tip18:27
ulisesI'm running a deboostrapped debian on it18:27
ulisesand whoever wants to run my stuff would probably have to use the same debian then18:27
zoranpost it for download and admire18:28
ulisesfar from that18:28
ulisesI will post it though18:28
ulisesit's fairly unusable still18:28
ulisesi.e. need to ssh to it and launch stuff yourself18:28
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ulisesI'm happy to post it though you might be better of using johnx's image18:29
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uliseshe's far more advanced than I am18:29
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ulises*his is18:29
ulises*than mine is18:29
zorank, no graphical interface, no input method18:29
zorann810 could work in console mode?18:29
ulisessome sort of graphical interface18:29
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ulisesit has e16 right now18:30
ulisesand xvkb18:30
ulisesbut that's about it18:30
zorancould you add apps like mutt or lynx and have it working?18:30
zoranlike apt-get install ...18:31
ulisesapt et al. are indeed working no probs18:31
ulisesdillo is up and running too18:32
zorangood enough18:32
zoranno html 418:32
ulisesI'm trying to strip it to its bare bones though18:32
ulisescan't get it under 250M :@18:32
zoranah, too much18:32
ulisesthat's why the ITOS is based on busybox18:33
zorannew hp thin client 5735 has something stripped down to flash18:33
ulisesthat'd be nice18:33
ulisesDSL and puppy linux have a full user interface + apps in <50M18:33
zoranI tried dsl for play sake, but something like finnix would be better18:34
ulisesnever heard of it18:34
zorancommand line admin tool18:34
zoranlive cd18:35
ulisesthe distro is 300M18:35
ulisesand it hasn't any desktop or anything18:35
ulises(from their website)18:35
ulisesalthough the image is compressed18:36
zoranI recall various servers on floppy18:36
ulisesto 100M18:36
zoranyeah, about 10018:36
ulisestomsbtrt being one18:36
zoransome bare bone bsd could be easier to strip down, maybe18:36
zorandrivers are the problem18:37
ulisesdrivers are the problem in debian too18:37
ulisesno sound18:37
ulisesfor one18:37
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zoranwho needs sount?18:37
infobotzoran meant: who needs sound?18:37
errordeveloperi wonder how to get manual ip address setings on a n800 ..18:38
zoranthanks, herr infobot!18:38
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ulisesI guess that people trying to do voip and listen to music ...18:38
zoranI'm still on prepaid internet, so no biggie services18:38
errordeveloperthe dhcp doesn't work on my network ..18:38
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zoranso, you don't have dhcp server?18:39
errordeveloperi can be asked fixing it now ..and i don't actually want to have dhcp18:39
errordeveloperso randomers don't connect without me seeing them18:39
zoranset it as static ip-s18:39
errordeveloperi can't find it ..18:39
zoranwhat do you mean "randomers"?18:40
errordeveloperzoran: random people, who i havn't meat ..18:40
zoranopen ap?18:40
zoranno wpa etc?18:40
errordeveloperwell hackers, just randomers18:40
errordeveloperi got wpa18:40
errordeveloperbut everyone knows the key18:40
zoranwpa2 and aes are good for that case18:41
errordeveloperwell's ok , i have a reson to keep postonding the router issue ..18:41
errordeveloperyeah .. i know18:41
zoranwhat router?18:41
errordeveloperjust that's a bit of a pain18:41
errordeveloperthomson speedtouch18:41
errordeveloperreally crap18:41
zoranhm, dunno18:41
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zoranno static ip option?18:42
zoranany web interface on
errordeveloperzoran: hhmm.. anyway ..the question is where shall i go to set the static address18:42
zoranon nokia?18:42
zoranifconfig, I think18:42
Takyou can do it from the connection manager, can't you?18:43
errordeveloperthe red pill mode need a connection to get the catalog as i figured out..18:43
ulisesyou could do it through the connection manager I believe18:43
errordeveloperi only see some totally basic options in there18:43
zoranone of them is type of ip naming18:43
jkuerrordeveloper, behind the "advanced" button?18:44
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zorangetting ip or alike18:44
errordeveloperlet me look again ..18:44
zorandrop down arrow?18:44
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LoCusFis there a difference between WPA2 and AES encryption?18:45
Takyeah, it's in the advanced settings18:45
Tak"IP Addresses" tab on mine18:45
errordeveloperi see it know ..18:46
errordeveloperbut it's shaded ..18:46
zoranI think wpa2 is wpa+aes18:46
errordevelopercheers :))18:46
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zoranthat mechanism should use wpa_supplicant as back-end?18:48
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zoranhm, embedded netbsd is called polybsd19:15
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geaarui think that isn't a correct channel but how can i recover version of dbus library for set a dedicated variable through file ? thanks in advance19:26
Takpkg-config --modversion dbus-119:28
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geaaruTak: ok, but there isn't an autotools macro that do it?19:34
TakPKG_CHECK_MODULES will check for pkg-config packages of given versions, if that's what you want19:34
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geaaruno, i need version value that i use for a define on my application19:35
geaarupkg-config --modversion dbus-1 is a valid solution if isn't a dedicated macro19:37
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Khertan_TheRealbye ... good week end19:44
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argneli just bought an n800 (new), which won't turn on. any ideas beyond sending it back?19:48
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jkucould be just a software problem fixed in the newest release19:49
jkutry plain http if that https link doesn't work19:50
argnellink works :)19:50
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jkuargnel: the refrigerator trick mentioned there is not a joke by the way... I have been told it actually works for devices which have this bug19:52
mgedminargnel: plug the charger, be more persistent19:55
mgedminand then never turn it off ;)19:55
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mgedminalso, flash the latest OS2008 release which fixes the "device doesn't want to turn on" bug19:55
argnelit said the battery was full, i pulled the charger, tried to turn it on - no dice19:55
Sho_argnel: wait a few minutes and then it should work19:56
argneland here i let the device come to room temperature after taking it out of the carton :p19:56
argnelshould it have been usable while charging?19:57
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jkuargnel, yes, it should turn on while charging19:58
argnelall it showed was a charging indicator in the center of the screen, none of the buttons did anything19:58
jkuand you pushed power button for a couple of seconds?19:59
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elbmy n810 won't power on while charging a significant percentage of the time20:00
elb(I haven't tried 51-3)20:00
argnelno, i didn't know that it had to be held at the time20:00
jkumore like 1 second, but yes it needs to be held20:00
elbyeah, you have to hold it until the screen lights up and says NOKIA20:00
mgedminnormal power on sequence: press the power button (and hold it down), the blue led lights on, and then don't release the button until you see the screen turn on20:00
argnelhaven't seen any blue LEDs :)20:01
elbtry flashing 51-3 before you spend too much time on it20:01
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argonlwell, battery out for 3 mins has no effect, trying freezer20:02
pope523_Is there a way to access password secured Windows shares from the N800 w/ OS2008?20:04
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elbargonl: I don't know if you saw my suggestiong ... but flash 51-3 before you spend too much time jacking aroudn with cargo cultism20:05
argonlelb: i did see it, i assumed i had to have the device turning on in order to flash it20:05
elbmany people seem to be able to flash without successful power ups20:05
elbinitiate the flash by plugging in the power connector, rather than using the power button20:06
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argonlinteresting, ok. i must say i'm not overly impressed with, and even less so by nokia.ca20:06
pope523_argonl: How long did you say you held the power button down for?20:07
argonlpope523_: the first time was a tap, the second was about 6 seconds20:07
argonlelb: when i plugged in the charger, the screen remained blank20:07
pope523_argonl: And even at 6 seconds, no blue light flashed on the navigation button and the screen did not light up?20:07
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elbargonl: you plugged in the USB cable, started the flasher app, plugged in the charger, and nothing happened?20:08
argonlelb: no, just the charger20:08
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argonli have yet to actually locate the instructions for flashing20:08
* argonl is using debian20:08 has them20:09
argonlpope523_: right. no screen lighting up, no blue LED20:09
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pope523_Can someone help me with Windows file shares?20:12
cyberholicGood Evening every one!20:12
cyberholicpope: what do you mean?20:12
pope523_Can't access password protected Windows file shares on my n800 w/ OS200820:12
cyberholicah. sorry, i thought u were talking about a shared folder. No sorry, from my side i wont be of any help.20:13
argonlhmm, speedy download.20:13
cyberholicMy question is: does anyone know of any site offering some vodcasts for the maemo videocenter?20:14
jkuargonl, that would be a first one ever...20:14
cyberholicjku: :)20:14
argonlso just for fun i called nokia support.. their only answer was to ship it back20:15
X-Fade_cyberholic: Sure, some Podshow shows for example.20:15
X-Fade_argonl: Just flash the bootloader and your are done..20:15
X-Fade_argonl: No need to flash the entire image.20:15
cyberholicyes, but as videodownloads. I found etc, but most of the do not offer the maemo codecs.... looks so.20:15
argonlX-Fade_: too bad i can't just download the bootloader :)20:15
X-Fade_argonl: Well, only download the first MB ;)20:16
X-Fade_And split it yourself ;)20:16
jkuX-Fade_, are you 100% sure the N800 comes with a new OS20:16
argonlhehe sounds risky to me. anyway, i assume this comes with os2008 anyway, which i'd rather have20:16
X-Fade_jku: No, but that doesn't really matter. It is just the bootloader that has a race condition in bringing the OMAP cpu online..20:17
jkuyes but in that case he'd want to flash again in a short while anyway20:18
jkuin the case of older OS, I mean20:18
X-Fade_jku: Sure, but that would prove that it is just the bootloader ;)20:18
argonli thought of that, but i'm not sure i care about isolating a known issue20:19
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argonlits either really dead, or the bootloader, right?20:20
X-Fade_argonl: A fair amount of people have that same problem and have all been reporting success after flashing.20:20
argonlsince i saw the charging indicator animation and it showed battery full, i assume it is not entirely dead20:20
X-Fade_argonl: Or the battery is dead?20:20
X-Fade_Ah ;)20:20
argonlthe booklet contains a rather antiquated warning "do not over-charge the battery" - is this really possible with this battery?20:22
X-Fade_argonl: Nah, it just stops charging.20:22
X-Fade_If you don't charge the battery manually and outside of a device.20:23
X-Fade_These batteries can blow up if you use the wrong equipment. But it is not likely when using a Nokia device + Nokia charger.20:24
Veggenhmm. Strange ting happened: the field for package name in application manager suddenly became very narrow, and the version field fills almost whole width of screen...anyone seen that before?20:24
jkuVeggen, some package has a ver long version string20:24
jkuvery, even20:25
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Veggenwell, yes. but it's not like I can stop it from having a long version string? ;)20:25
jkusure, it's a bug in AM20:25
jkunot sure if it's in bugzilla already20:25
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argonluh, home is "swap"?20:27
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argonlso i've got it on usb, plugged in the charger, and nothing20:30
argonl"Suitable USB device not found, waiting"20:30
jkuand held power button?20:30
argonlno, instructions said "home", which i assumed was the key called "swap" in the "get started" guide20:31
jkunever heard it called that20:32
argonlso which key is "home"?20:32
X-Fade_The one with the house on it?20:32
argonlfigured. they call it swap :p20:32
argonlso i want to press and hold power and home?20:33
jkuI guess it's used to swap applications20:33
jkujust power has always been enough for me but try both20:33
argonlstill nothing, where is the blue light supposed to be?20:34
jkuI do remember the instructions talking about both20:34
X-Fade_argonl: In the directional controls. It is aring..20:34
jkuthe four-way rocker20:34
X-Fade_a ring20:34
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argonlnothing. should it be visible on the usb bus with just power and usb connected?20:35
X-Fade_When you turn it on..20:35
argonlno signs of life20:36
X-Fade_Do you have usbfs available?20:36
argonlhmm, should have20:36
argonlwhoa, signs of life20:37
X-Fade_Just a thought.20:37
argonlif it hadn't been for the sudden noise from the hdd i would have missed it20:37
argonland now music20:37
elbargonl: you shouldn't have to push teh power button, when you plug in the charger it should automatically boot if the USB cable is plugged in20:37
geaarui expanded dbus version (for example from 1.1.4 to 114) and i defined it as cflags -D__DBUS_VERSION=114 and on my sources i inserted20:38
geaaru#ifdef (__DBUS_VERSION__) && (__DBUS_VERSION__ <= 102)20:38
elbargonl: does it have a little usb logo in the top-right corner?20:38
geaarubut i have this error error: macro names must be identifiers20:38
elbgeaaru: you can't use ifdef that way20:38
elbgeaaru: use #if defined(__DBUS_VERSION__) && (__DBUS_VERSION <= 102)20:39
geaaruelb: thanks for reply, have you an idea to manage this operation?20:39
geaarubut #ifdef isn't equal to #if defined ?20:39
X-Fade_Any people with their own repository or an extras repository upload account?20:39
elbor #ifdef __DBUS_VERSION__ \n #if (__DBUS_VERSION__ <= 102) \n20:39
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elb#ifdef can't handle the && (other stuff)20:40
X-Fade_Tak: Can you see if this survey works?
geaaruok i try, thank you very much20:40
X-Fade_Tak: We are trying to get some info on developers' view about repos..20:40
X-Fade_Tak: I will post this on the list too, but it is just to test it for now ;)20:41
argonlelb: it did, with a green and then a blue progress bar. then some music and the hands. now i'm in setup20:41
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elbargonl: awesome, then you're flashed20:41
elbthe flasher app should say so, right?20:41
jkuX-Fade_, yeah it works20:42
elbargonl: with any luck, it will now boot without complaint20:42
Tak"dependency" and "problems" are misspelled in #620:42
Takseems to have worked20:42
Takit lets me submit multiple times...20:43
X-Fade_Tak: Will fix those misspelled words..20:43
argonlelb: we'll see in a moment20:43
X-Fade_Tak: Yeah, gforge lets you actually take the survey multiple times. DUH :)20:44
elbargonl: good luck ;-)20:45
argonlwhoa, this thing picks up a lot of networks i've never seen before20:45
X-Fade_Tak, jku: Would you guys be interested to test the new promotion interface and autobuilder when they are ready for beta testing? :)20:46
jkuX-Fade_, sure, no problem20:46
argonlhmm, it thinks its charging20:46
argonlelb: yes, it boots normally now :)20:47
elbargonl: awesome20:48
X-Fade_jku: Ok, I will ping you when we have something that works. (Can be any day now)20:48
TakX-Fade_: yeah20:49
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argonlthanks for the help folks :)21:06
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elbdon't be a stranger ;-)21:07
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elbI guess geaaru got his craps working, too21:07
argonlnow if only they'll ship my router so i don't have to hold this thing out the window for connectivity21:08
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argonlhow do you get rid of the keyboard if you decide you don't want to type?21:15
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mgedminthere's a button in the bottom-right corner21:15
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argonlahh. no mouseoever means no tooltips :p21:16
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kaieI'm in a hotel in brussels for the fosdem conference. the wireless hotspot seems mostly fine, but I can not connect to cvs/dist. it just stalls.21:45
kaieargh. wrong channel21:45
henriqueanyone have tried to setup a chat account in maemo sdk? I always got this: GLIB WARNING ** default - osso_cp_plugin_execute failed21:46
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melmothAnybody doint python code with gettext ?22:20
melmothI do not understand how to easily manager version of po files.22:20
melmothEach time i launch, i loose all the transaltion i already made22:20
mgedminI think it's the same as with gettext in C22:24
mgedminyou run gettext (or pygettext) to get a .pot file *that you never modify*22:24
mgedminthen you run msgmerge or something to merge translations from an older .po file to an up-to-date new .po file22:24
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mgedminby the way 'man pygettext' tells you "pygettext  is deprecated. The current version of xgettext supports many languages, including Python."22:25
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melmothag agn, msgmerge is what i was looking for. thanks22:26
melmothok, lets give xgettext a try then22:26
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melmothoh, xgettext comes with a -j option, i wonder if it makes msgmerge redundant22:29
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mgedminthat's when you want a single .pot from multiple runs of xgettext on different source trees22:32
mgedminyou still need msgmerge22:32
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GNUcosohey hrw!:)22:56
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ekim|dt-linuxYo people22:59
ekim|dt-linuxI have a 770 , what can I do with the USB port23:00
ekim|dt-linuxlike can I use it like I would a regular usb port on linix23:00
ekim|dt-linuxlike mount drives and stuff23:00
ekim|dt-linuxbecause it would be awesome to plug a cheap 2 gig thumb drive into my 77023:00
ekim|dt-linuxor a usb keyboard23:00
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mgedmintechnically you can, but it's complicated23:01
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mgedminvery complicated23:02
ekim|dt-linuxhow is it complicated...23:02
ekim|dt-linuxis there something special about the port23:02
ekim|dt-linuxsomething non-standard23:02
mgedminor maybe
ekim|dt-linuxthat's a hardware hack...23:03
ekim|dt-linuxI don't want that...23:03
ekim|dt-linuxI just want to plug a usb keyboard into it23:03
Takheh, nobody /wants/ that23:03
ekim|dt-linuxI don't want to charge off of USB23:03
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ekim|dt-linuxI just want to get a mini-usb to usb adaptor and connect my dell usb keyboard into the 77023:04
mgedminsome non-standard powered usb hubs can act as a replacement for the usb power injector23:04
ekim|dt-linuxI don't want power over usb...23:04
mgedminand then you'll need to hack the software23:04
ekim|dt-linuxNo...'cause its linux23:05
mgedminthe keyboard has to get power from usb23:05
ekim|dt-linuxohh...thats a good point ... dangit23:05
mgedminmaybe 770 itself will provide sufficient power for a keyboard, but not for anything more power-hungry23:05
ekim|dt-linuxthere is zero power in the 770 usb port...23:05
ekim|dt-linuxall I want is a keyboard23:05
mgedminor maybe that's n800/n81023:05
ekim|dt-linuxso I don't have to buy an uber expensive bluetooth one when I am sitting right next to it...23:05
mgedminI tend to ssh into my 770 so that I could use a normal (laptop) keyboard ;)23:06
mgedmins/my 770/my n800/ (although I also did that with the 770)23:06
ekim|dt-linuxohh also...I have 2008 HE on my 77023:06
ekim|dt-linuxit works great23:06
Takyeah, I just flashed that yesterday23:07
ekim|dt-linuxme too23:08
ekim|dt-linuxso ... bottom line ... how can I get my standard USB keyboard to work on the 77023:08
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Takbottom's a hardware hack23:09
ekim|dt-linuxhow is it a hardware hack ?23:09
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ekim|dt-linuxI am not arguing , I just don't understand23:10
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BTobotrasCan I use the socket for interleaving read and write?23:19
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elbyou're going to need to be more specific23:29
elbI think maybe you're asking about a stdio issue (?)23:30
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Species8472i have a quick question23:37
BTobotraselb: already catched my error: modem waits for "\r\n" and not for just "\n" I did :)23:37
Species8472does windows vista run on N810?23:37
BTobotrasno, it doesn't23:39
BTobotrasbut why?23:39
elbBTobotras: ignore him, he's a troll23:40
BTobotrasHmm, what does it mean for cell phone to show "D" before the number dialled? I just said "ATD#####" to it, but it doesn't voice call, it does something else... like data call?23:41
elbat commands will always be data calls23:41
elbor at least, ATD will23:41
elbATD is dial data call23:41
argonld stands for "dial"23:41
BTobotrasOuch. What if I want to progammatically dial voice call? :)23:41
elbI have no idea, that would be phone-specific23:42
elbyou have to remember that AT commands are for hayes modems from like the late 80s, if not before ;-)23:42
BTobotraselb: that doesn't preclude us for using it for our modern cellulars :)23:43
elbright -- but the standard commands (like ATD) are all data-oriented23:43
elbthere was a spate of "voice modems" on the market in the late 90s, some of them may have had voice-oriented commands23:44
ekim|dt-linuxwhere is the mic on the 77023:44
ekim|dt-linuxSpecies8472, are you serious...23:44
ekim|dt-linuxSpecies8472, come on really...23:44
Species8472yes I like windows vista a lot23:44
Species8472its the best windows23:44
elbekim|dt-linux: stop, you're feeding a troll23:44
ekim|dt-linuxso what position do you hold  at microsoft ?23:44
ekim|dt-linuxelb, good point sorry23:44
Species8472im bill gates23:45
Species8472steve will join us later23:45
Species8472I really love my N810, it's just that it would be so much greater with windows vista23:47
argonlBTobotras: looks like you want to read 3GPP TS 27.00723:49
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Species8472hi pigeon23:51
NaviOMG TROLL23:51
BTobotrasargonl: thanks23:52
Species8472learn english first you noob23:52
ekim|dt-linuxNavi, he has a point...23:52
NaviSpecies8472, LOL TATS WAT SHE SED23:52
Species8472you can only dream of evolving into a troll23:52
NaviSpecies8472, I'm telling the General on you :P23:52
Species8472he's Steve you stupid23:52
Species8472he all tricked you for so long23:53
Species8472his only goal here is to gain your trust and make everyone install windows vista23:53
pigeonSpecies8472: hello23:53
argonlBTobotras: looks far too complicated :)23:54
Species8472hey pigeon, dont listen to Navi and BTobotras, they are trolls23:54
NaviGeneralAntilles, do something!23:54
NaviMurder foods!23:54
* Navi stabs foods in the heart23:54
BTobotrasargonl: no :)23:54
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pupnikthis channel is logged and google-searchable23:55
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Species8472im soo going to sue you23:56
NaviSpecies8472, omg stfu nub23:57
Species8472stop trolling now Navi23:57
NaviSpecies8472, no u stop trolling23:58
Species8472Cant stop something I ain't doing you fool23:58
NaviSpecies8472, wel u r troling23:58
Species8472that's heracy23:59
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BTobotrasargonl: but my nokia doesn't seem to comply :(23:59
Species8472he owns nokia?23:59

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