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| elb | the price is still too high | 00:00 |
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| elb | for the fact that, out of the box, it doesn't really *do* anything | 00:00 |
| milhouse | lcuk: and it has too many flaws, limitations, rough edges... | 00:00 |
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| milhouse | elb: the 770 became good value in the end | 00:00 |
| pH5 | they should cut the price by the percentage of unused transistors on the omap2420 | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | elb, it browses the internet better than any other mobile device in this size range that I've ever used. | 00:00 |
| lcuk_3 | the lcd interface by the way can do movie display at 30fps because it uses a REDUCED (color) resolution display image, sending over only 12 bits of information. if you try that with a full 16 bit rgb interface (which possibly the powervr might put out) then it casnt keep up | 00:00 |
| elb | it's only salable to people who recognize the fact that a general-purpose computer in your pocket is Just Plain Cool :-) | 00:00 |
| elb | GeneralAntilles: that's damning with faint praise if I've ever heard it :-) | 00:01 |
| lcuk_3 | milhouse, i agree about the rough edges - its a tinkerers dream tho :) | 00:01 |
| elb | milhouse: yeah, the 800 is rapidly on its way to being at a good consumer price point | 00:01 |
| lcuk_3 | its good enough to become a house computer - when one is busy its available | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | elb, it's already there. | 00:02 |
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| elb | GeneralAntilles: at $230? | 00:02 |
| elb | I think it's still too high for anyone who doesn't want a gadget for gadget's sake | 00:02 |
| lcuk_3 | i found out today i can buy a latop for £100 | 00:02 |
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| milhouse | lcuk: i'd like to see the next device become a dockable desktop computer, a desktop replacement much as laptops have become desktop replacements - pop it in a docking station and work with using a full size keyboard, mouse, video screen... I think IBM created such a concept about 10 years ago | 00:03 |
| * lcuk_3 might get a touchkit for it | 00:03 | |
| elb | while it's a better web surfer than other mobile devices, it's still not in the same league as a real computer | 00:03 |
| pH5 | lcuk_3: it is possible that the powervr supports yuv420 surfaces, at least the 2d blitting library seems to have support for that. | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | elb, and it doesn't cost anywhere near the price of a real computer. :P | 00:03 |
| elb | GeneralAntilles: that's not at all true | 00:03 |
| elb | you can buy a real computer at Wal*Mart for $200 | 00:03 |
| lcuk_3 | i sure hope so, but upon reflection 640*480 might be speedy enough | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's not a real computer. | 00:03 |
| elb | sure it is | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a pile of junk parts. | 00:03 |
| elb | it's a better web surfer than the n810 | 00:03 |
| lcuk_3 | course it is GeneralAntilles, its just not a mobile one | 00:04 |
| elb | it's not *portable*, but that portability carries too much price | 00:04 |
| elb | when I think about the non-gadget friends and family I have, I can't see selling any of them an n800 for $200 | 00:04 |
| elb | they'll all say "why would I want to surf the web on a tiny screen and fuss over clicking links with my fingernail or a stylus?" | 00:04 |
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| elb | I mean, don't get me wrong -- I think it's awesome, and I think that with the right software it will go a long way | 00:05 |
| elb | but I don't think it's ready for general consumption | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nor does Nokia. | 00:05 |
| milhouse | this is what i want the Nokia Tablet to become: http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/pr.nsf/pages/news.20020206_metapad.html | 00:05 |
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| milhouse | (slightly smaller, naturally!) | 00:06 |
| elb | sure, Nokia isn't even pushing for general consumption | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | milhouse, that holds absolutely no appeal for me. | 00:06 |
| elb | what is this, like step 3 of at least 5 steps? | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no way on earth any sort of ARM could keep up with what I do with my real computers. | 00:07 |
| felipec | elb: yeap | 00:07 |
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| milhouse | GA: I think it could replace the desktop for many people in time, and they carry their information everywhere (or at least, carry the device that provides access to their information everywhere) | 00:07 |
| milhouse | GA: Won't appeal to "power" desktop users though, i accept that. | 00:07 |
| elb | 99% of what I do with my real computers, the n810 is *plenty* fast enough to do | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no way it would replace a real computer for anybody but my grandmother. | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | e-mail, web, office . . . maybe. | 00:08 |
| elb | my laptop spends more time as a glorified X terminal than anything else | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | But everybody else I know either does games, or multimedia, or creative stuff, etc. | 00:08 |
| milhouse | my brother was here yesterday - said all he needs is email, web and occasional word processing. | 00:08 |
| elb | then you don't know enough computer scientists ;-) | 00:08 |
| milhouse | for him, a fully blown Pentium Dual Core is complete overkill | 00:08 |
| pupnik_ | it's 2008. where are the high res VR goggles | 00:08 |
| elb | I don't use PCs for games, I gave that up years ago -- it's a nightmare | 00:08 |
| pupnik_ | i can't believe we don't have 1600x1200 vr goggles yet | 00:08 |
| lcuk_3 | GeneralAntilles, remember, for YEARS we lived with computer software which fitted an architecture and ran WELL. i could do spreadsheets on an 8mhz machine. sure, you cant run the latest fancy version of something, but that doesnt mean it will end up as bad software | 00:09 |
| elb | multimedia ... it would be nice to be able to play web-type video clips with some reliability, I'll grant that, but I suspect that's more a software problem than a hardware limitation | 00:09 |
| pupnik_ | well put lcuk_3 | 00:09 |
| lcuk_3 | i played games and enjoyed them on slow machines | 00:09 |
| pupnik_ | this explains you hacking framebuffer :) | 00:09 |
| elb | anything past that, I have a computer in my living room that I use to play multimedia stuff on a real screen and speakers | 00:09 |
| lcuk_3 | :) | 00:09 |
| pupnik_ | lcuk_3: isn't it depressing how a sidey-scroller on a 200-400mhz machine can't keep up 30fps? | 00:10 |
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| elb | so ... emacs, latex, and a C compiler, and I'm ready to get real work done :-) | 00:10 |
| pupnik_ | well that's the price of portability and rapid development | 00:10 |
| lcuk_3 | absolutely (but give me cygnus editor back from my amiga) | 00:10 |
| elb | I've been wishing for *years* that someone would produce a 500MHz or so ARM laptop that got 12h of battery life and was light enough to want to cart around | 00:11 |
| felipec | pupnik_: of course it can do 30fps... depending on the resolution :) | 00:11 |
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| elb | the iBook dual-USB reincarnated on modern manufacturing with modern batteries and disks would be *perfect* for me | 00:12 |
| pupnik_ | elb: yeah it's a crying shame Psion died | 00:12 |
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| elb | so ... an n810 seems like plenty of power :-) | 00:12 |
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| lcuk_3 | its not fast enough if you consider trying to run bloatware on them. we have to think of ways to get apps running smoothly - pupnik is working really well with his dosbox and finding neat tricks, elb is bashing his way into the powervr and im just wandering around trying to see how it all clicks together | 00:13 |
| lcuk_3 | i hope the lurkers are busy ;) | 00:14 |
| pupnik_ | same | 00:14 |
| maddler | doh... at last! restore finished!!! | 00:14 |
| pupnik_ | it's been nice to see the activity on the haxxorish side in the past few months | 00:14 |
| johnx | quite... | 00:14 |
| lcuk_3 | you have restored: faith in humanity | 00:14 |
| maddler | lcuk_3: hehehe... | 00:14 |
| lcuk_3 | well i got this little box to do everything i could with it | 00:15 |
| maddler | lcuk_3: if you were it Italy... you wouldn't trust humanity! :D | 00:15 |
| pupnik_ | maybe someday someone should make a bastard device with broken psion netbook cases and n800 cores | 00:15 |
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| milhouse | port IT OS to Netbooks! :) | 00:16 |
| milhouse | run for hours... might not be very fast. | 00:16 |
| pupnik_ | the screen and cpu are just painful now | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad Nokia didn't position maemo for more devices. | 00:16 |
| pupnik_ | yeah the battery was awesome | 00:16 |
| pupnik_ | agree with GeneralAntilles | 00:16 |
| * johnx agrees with GeneralAntilles | 00:16 | |
| johnx | it's too bad they kept the source to so many random odds and ends | 00:17 |
| pupnik_ | anybody got the latest skinny of linux on the netbook pro? | 00:17 |
| jku__ | johnx, amen, It just slows everyone down and gives Nokia nothing | 00:17 |
| pupnik_ | it employes lawyers maybe :) | 00:18 |
| milhouse | Nokia needs competition | 00:18 |
| milhouse | And it shall have it soon enough | 00:18 |
| lcuk_3 | its got it | 00:18 |
| johnx | no one blames them for closed source wifi...but closed source brightness applet?! | 00:18 |
| lcuk_3 | the 2420 developers working at symbian on the other nseries | 00:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like I said, the dinosaurs need to die off. | 00:18 |
| milhouse | lcuk: who - in terms of mobile linux in a similar form factor? | 00:18 |
| milhouse | (apart from apple and the iPhone!) | 00:20 |
| lcuk_3 | archos devices are similar spec | 00:20 |
| lcuk_3 | cheaper price | 00:20 |
| milhouse | but not open | 00:20 |
| milhouse | might be linux... not really sure | 00:20 |
| pupnik_ | i used my n810 as a flashlight today to light up a car undercarriage to tow it away | 00:20 |
| johnx | at least one was linux | 00:20 |
| johnx | I think it's still stuck on a 2.4 kernel | 00:20 |
| lcuk_3 | lol pupnik - max brightness i hope | 00:21 |
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| MangoFusion | rather expensive flashlight ;) | 00:21 |
| lcuk_3 | yes, but think about how many people who need a flashlight (and also a quick browse on the internet) and would snap up the chance of paying out that little bit more for a "deluxe" model | 00:22 |
| jku__ | maddler, so you decided to announce the update for Nokia | 00:23 |
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| elb | lcuk_3: I don't use bloatware :-) | 00:29 |
| elb | well, except for emacs, of course | 00:29 |
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| pupnik_ | man oprofile kernel is so fun | 00:31 |
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| lcuk_3 | technical thinking. is it plausable to create an SDL application on windows with vc6 and make the same source compilable on scratchbox with gcc ? | 00:45 |
| maddler | jku__: why not? | 00:46 |
| maddler | :):) | 00:46 |
| maddler | there was a thread on ITT as well... | 00:46 |
| Kheru | why if i click on MD5SUM from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php it download(and save) MD5SUM, (with comma) ? | 00:48 |
| lcuk_3 | all filenames appear with a comma, and you can also change the week number to anything arbitary and it still offers a download | 00:48 |
| lcuk_3 | (on the actual bin file) | 00:49 |
| maddler | Kheru: yep... I had a comma added to flasher download too... | 00:49 |
| maddler | dunno... sounds like a typo in the download script | 00:49 |
| lcuk_3 | or the start of a new parameter - the download is a function and not a direct download | 00:50 |
| EruditeH1rmit | just finished upgrading | 00:50 |
| Kheru | lcuk_3, good php coder ... ;) | 00:50 |
| EruditeH1rmit | I notice NO difference =p | 00:50 |
| EruditeH1rmit | but I am sure there were bugfixes | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mara on ITT seemed to think that this was pretty much only a change for the power-on issue. | 00:52 |
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| EruditeH1rmit | well | 00:53 |
| EruditeH1rmit | perhaps | 00:53 |
| EruditeH1rmit | GeneralAntilles: does the tablet slow down as you use up more memory? | 00:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Er, well, if it starts swapping heavily, yes. | 00:54 |
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| EruditeH1rmit | at what point will it do that? | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | When the RAM fills up completely with necessary data. . . . | 00:55 |
| johnx | EruditeH1rmit, or were you talking about the internal storage memory? | 00:56 |
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| EruditeH1rmit | internal storage memory | 00:56 |
| EruditeH1rmit | I am almost out | 00:56 |
| EruditeH1rmit | because of all the stuff I have installed | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Delete the PDFs. | 00:56 |
| johnx | and that tour movie | 00:57 |
| johnx | or advertisement or whatever it is | 00:57 |
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| johnx | although I don't completely understand jffs2 or the way blocks are allocated on the flash...if it's like other filesystems, writes may get slower when it's very close to full | 00:58 |
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| lcuk_3 | the internal memory is like a small fixed size hard drive with your operating system on. clear as much none essential things off or uninstall unused programs to make sure you have enough space. move data onto an external or extension memory stick or consider moving your boot drive onto into a larger memory stick | 01:00 |
| EruditeH1rmit | well does it follow the general rule that after 90% it will get slower | 01:00 |
| lcuk_3 | i would assume it would do | 01:01 |
| johnx | EruditeH1rmit, I don't honestly know | 01:01 |
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| johnx | it doesn't face the same penalty for seek times that mechanical media do | 01:01 |
| lcuk_3 | no, but the code has to branch more to follow chains | 01:02 |
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| johnx | hmm... | 01:02 |
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| nwidger | hello, anyone around? | 02:00 |
| elb | 260 people are around | 02:01 |
| elb | if you have a question, ask it, and someone will probably answer :-) | 02:01 |
| nwidger | words of wisdom :) | 02:01 |
| elb | with 260 people, generally small talk doesn't get you very far ;-) | 02:01 |
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| nwidger | im just wondering if there are any good word processors for the n810 that can edit .doc files? | 02:01 |
| nwidger | i know there's an old abiword port, but is it stable and will in run on the n810? | 02:02 |
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| johnx | there's a new abiword port too | 02:04 |
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| johnx | in beta right now | 02:04 |
| Mousey | ^_6 | 02:04 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 02:04 |
| nwidger | johnx: cool! any chance you could get me a link? | 02:04 |
| * Mousey huggles maemo devels | 02:04 | |
| johnx | nwidger, I'll find the thread on itt, it's a semi-closed beta so you have to pm/email someone to get in on it | 02:04 |
| nwidger | johnx: hmmm, ok | 02:04 |
| johnx | not sure of the usability yet (haven't tried it) | 02:05 |
| nwidger | k | 02:05 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14821&page=12&highlight=abiword | 02:06 |
| nwidger | johnx: thank you! :) | 02:07 |
| johnx | no need to re-read the whole thread. most of it is historical... | 02:07 |
| nwidger | so who should i pm asking for entrance to the beta? | 02:09 |
| nwidger | megabyte405? | 02:09 |
| johnx | yes...he does tell you to PM him to get on the beta :) | 02:09 |
| megabyte405 | yep | 02:09 |
| megabyte405 | pm me for access to the beta :) | 02:09 |
| johnx | :D | 02:09 |
| megabyte405 | apologies for such a long thread but I figured it was best to keep it all in one place so that people didn't get lost creating a new thread | 02:09 |
| megabyte405 | I know that every time someone made a new AbiWord thread it took me a while to find it, and I was working on the crazy thing :) | 02:10 |
| megabyte405 | It's a closed beta only in that I don't feel right letting just anybody install it without giving them a stern precaution and a request to file bugs | 02:10 |
| * elb returns to the "forums are a shitty way to communicate" topic of earlier ;-) | 02:10 | |
| nwidger | megabyte405: by pm do you mean pm on the forums or via irc? | 02:11 |
| johnx | elb, someone put up a yahoo group or something. :P | 02:11 |
| megabyte405 | forums | 02:11 |
| nwidger | oh, sorry :P | 02:11 |
| megabyte405 | well, there is an AbiWord mailing list, but as much as I try, I don't really ever see anyone form the maemo community show up there. | 02:11 |
| megabyte405 | np | 02:11 |
| megabyte405 | I just reply to those in an asynchronous fashion | 02:11 |
| megabyte405 | so that's really the best/only way for me to do it | 02:12 |
| elb | johnx: hah | 02:12 |
| nwidger | megabyte405: i dont have an account on the forums... egh | 02:12 |
| megabyte405 | ah well you'll want one sooner or later | 02:12 |
| elb | if nothing else, so you can set the css to something amenable to tablet viewage ;-) | 02:12 |
| megabyte405 | sooner since I request that folks subscribe to that thread so I don't aveh to send 6 pms each with 5 recipients every time I do an update | 02:12 |
| megabyte405 | I'm out for the night - looking forward to hearing from you nwidger and anybody else, esp. if they're handy with GDB and/or maemo | 02:13 |
| elb | I assume they also have to want to use a word processor? | 02:13 |
| megabyte405 | not necessarily | 02:13 |
| johnx | elb, all they need is to make a word processor crash :) | 02:13 |
| megabyte405 | if they just want to debug that's fine with me too, don't really care if they actually use it once it works :D | 02:13 |
| nwidger | megabyte405: sent :) | 02:13 |
| elb | heh | 02:14 |
| megabyte405 | heck, if I get a debian packaging wizard who drops by with a nice debian folder for the abiword plugins I'd be happy too | 02:14 |
| maddler | megabyte405: is there an OS2008 build as well? | 02:14 |
| megabyte405 | 2008 and 2007 | 02:14 |
| megabyte405 | in theory 2006 should also work, but in practice I have slow internet | 02:14 |
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| megabyte405 | :D | 02:16 |
| megabyte405 | later all | 02:16 |
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| elb | the internet was pretty fast in 2006, already | 02:20 |
| elb | ;-) | 02:20 |
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| s_tec | I have an n800 running OS2008. Is there some way to ssh in? The "OpenSSH client and server" package on maemo doesn't want to install. | 02:21 |
| johnx | it should install | 02:23 |
| johnx | it works for a lot of other people | 02:23 |
| elb | what do you mean by "doesn't want to install" | 02:23 |
| johnx | is it not downloading? | 02:23 |
| s_tec | I get "Unable to install openssh. Incompatible application package." | 02:24 |
| sbaturzio | maddler: still there? | 02:24 |
| johnx | s_tec, which openssh are you trying to install? | 02:26 |
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| johnx | it should be available inside application manager once you enable the extras repository... | 02:26 |
| s_tec | "OpenSSH client and server" from http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/communications/ | 02:26 |
| elb | yeah, don't do that | 02:27 |
| elb | go to your application manager and uncheck 'disable' on maemo extras | 02:27 |
| elb | then install it from there | 02:27 |
| elb | it should go fine | 02:27 |
| elb | I don't know why the one on maemo.org is busted, but it doesn't install for me either | 02:27 |
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| s_tec | Ok, thanks. | 02:28 |
| s_tec | Worked! | 02:29 |
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| maddler | sbaturzio: yess | 02:34 |
| sbaturzio | maddler: have you tried the new OS2008? | 02:34 |
| maddler | yep... | 02:34 |
| sbaturzio | good news? | 02:34 |
| maddler | didn't find any noticeable change though | 02:34 |
| sbaturzio | only bugfixes? | 02:34 |
| maddler | well... it works and won't brick you device! :D | 02:34 |
| maddler | isn't it enough? :D | 02:35 |
| sbaturzio | :D | 02:35 |
| sbaturzio | well..a really annoying bugfix could be the thumb keyboard: using the finger it's hard to open it | 02:35 |
| sbaturzio | did you tried it? | 02:35 |
| maddler | I'm on n810 | 02:35 |
| sbaturzio | ooops...sorry: just forgot | 02:36 |
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| sbaturzio | well...ok: I'll try it tomorrow | 02:36 |
| maddler | :) | 02:36 |
| elb | sbaturzio: you just have to tap like a NINJA | 02:36 |
| sbaturzio | on my N800 | 02:36 |
| sbaturzio | elb: a ninja? :) | 02:36 |
| sbaturzio | fast and furious? :D | 02:36 |
| elb | exactly | 02:36 |
| elb | fast and hard | 02:36 |
| maddler | hehehe... | 02:36 |
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| sbaturzio | naaaaah....previous OS versions were much better than this | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use the center d-pad | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thumb-activated has NEVER been reliable. | 02:38 |
| ds3 | is it possible to use scanned maps in GIF/JPG/PNG/TIFF/etc format with maemo-mapper v2? | 02:38 |
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| sbaturzio | GeneralAntilles: yes I know, but if I'm holding the N800 with left hand, usually my left thumb is used to keep it in a position that don't let me reach the button easily | 02:39 |
| sbaturzio | and using the finger on the screen was much more easy than the center dpad | 02:39 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: get an N810? :D | 02:41 |
| sbaturzio | (argh....s/is used to keep it in a position/is placed in a position/ sorry) | 02:41 |
| sbaturzio | maddler: only for the mechanic keyboard? naaa...not enough | 02:41 |
| jga23 | anybody know a good tutorial on creating packages for python? the one on maemo.org seems dated | 02:42 |
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| maddler | sbaturzio: indeed... | 02:43 |
| sbaturzio | anyway...just downloaded the new OS image, tomorrow I'll try it | 02:44 |
| sbaturzio | now is time to sleep | 02:44 |
| sbaturzio | thanks to * | 02:44 |
| sbaturzio | Bye | 02:44 |
| maddler | cheers | 02:44 |
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| ds3 | okay, prehaps I should ask -- anyone have Maemo Mapper v1 DEBs for OS2008? | 03:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There was a thread on ITT yesterday. | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody put together a more efficient filesystem storage method | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | ended up porting 1.4 in the process. | 03:02 |
| ds3 | hmm | 03:03 |
| ds3 | it really sucks that maemo-mapper v2 don't seem to allow a easy way to handle scanned mapps | 03:03 |
| ds3 | maps | 03:03 |
| ds3 | got official scanned USGS Topo maps that would be ideal | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16838&highlight=maemo+mapper | 03:03 |
| maddler | time to hit the bed... | 03:04 |
| maddler | before my wife sues me! :D | 03:04 |
| maddler | later dudes... | 03:04 |
| ds3 | this is what I get for not doing daily searches of ITT ;) | 03:04 |
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| rkabir | anyone have any idea why my n810 is super slow to boot? | 03:07 |
| rkabir | it hangs on the "NOKIA" screen before the boot noise and hand screen | 03:07 |
| johnx | define "super slow". how long is it taking? | 03:09 |
| ds3 | GaneralAntilles: thanks. that seems to be pretty much what I am looking for. | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | rkabir, friend had trouble with swap + corrupted internal card and slow boots. | 03:10 |
| rkabir | johnx: a minute maybe? i'll have to time it | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why are you turning it off, anyway? | 03:11 |
| johnx | so about 1 minute total to boot? | 03:11 |
| johnx | that sounds like my normal boot times... | 03:11 |
| rkabir | GeneralAntilles: good call on the card, I'll check it out. I turn it off to conserve power | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Turning it off to conserve power is stupid. | 03:11 |
| rkabir | johnx: oh, huh. maybe it's unfair for me to compare boot times of a clean system to one with a bunch of apps installed? | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | You end up using more power shutting down and booting. | 03:12 |
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| johnx | rkabir, it depends on what you installed | 03:12 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, that would depend on how long he's not using it for | 03:12 |
| rkabir | GeneralAntilles: so then, i should do offline mode, and lock screen and keys? | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pretty much | 03:12 |
| rkabir | i turn off overnight when not charging (i know, i know - i can charge every night) | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | unless you're leaving it off for more than 24 hours. | 03:12 |
| rkabir | oh wtf - it just booted in less than 10 seconds | 03:13 |
| rkabir | for the past few days it's taken 1-2 minutes | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | On the charger? | 03:13 |
| johnx | rkabir, do you have ssh server installed? or a web server or something that starts at boot? | 03:14 |
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| rkabir_ | GeneralAntilles: maybe it was the swap thing you spoke of, and it was cleared? | 03:15 |
| rkabir_ | sorry abou tthat - my connection died | 03:16 |
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| rkabir | maybe it's the memory card | 03:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Could be | 03:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Lot of N810s shipped with badly formatted internal cards. | 03:17 |
| rkabir | hmmm | 03:17 |
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| rkabir | i'm guessing there's no fsck on maemo? | 03:20 |
| johnx | you mean included or available? | 03:23 |
| johnx | it comes with fsck.vfat and I'm sure fsck.ext2 is available | 03:23 |
| rkabir | hmm ok | 03:24 |
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| rkabir | i get malloc issues - but i'll mess around with checking the memory card via my desktop instead | 03:27 |
| rkabir | you guys have been a great help | 03:27 |
| rkabir | thanks | 03:27 |
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| MaxMaxMax | Hi all | 04:42 |
| johnx | hi | 04:42 |
| Navi | Hi | 04:44 |
| MaxMaxMax | not sure where to ask about it, but I"m one of the winners of the N810 maemo | 04:44 |
| MaxMaxMax | device program but my discount code (both the "old" one and the new one I got on 11/12/07) aren't working on the shop I selected during my application. Is this normal at that time? | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | "winners"? :P | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | e-mail Nokia. | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | We can't make them work. | 04:44 |
| MaxMaxMax | ah, so it's not just me? | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, most everybody has used theirs already. | 04:45 |
| MaxMaxMax | damn.. :S I just sent a mail to the Nokia consumer care of my online shop | 04:45 |
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| MaxMaxMax | thanks for your answers GeneralAntilles | 04:53 |
| MaxMaxMax | too bad I can't get my N810 right now :S | 04:54 |
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| lcuk_3 | i've heard of cygwin for windows. if i install this does it mean i can then install and run scratchbox compiling tools (not the simulator) directly on windows? | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good luck with that. | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | In theory, yes. | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | In practice, you're probably better off just cutting a body part off with a rusty hack-saw and calling it a day. | 05:01 |
| lcuk_3 | i have found a much better ide which works well in windows (and linux too but thats defeating what i want to do | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why are you using Windows, anyway? :P | 05:02 |
| rghosh | qemu on windows is in alpha stage | 05:02 |
| lcuk_3 | because its actually quite stable | 05:02 |
| rghosh | scratchbox uses qemu for cross-compiling | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 05:02 |
| lcuk_3 | it runs well, and my dayjob depends upon my knowledge of it | 05:03 |
| rghosh | so it may not go very smoothly if at all | 05:03 |
| lcuk_3 | ahhh damn | 05:03 |
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| lcuk_3 | but im currently running inside a vmware box so i'm already at minimum speed | 05:04 |
| lcuk_3 | its weather it would break even | 05:04 |
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| tigrux | Could anyone try my package? It is tablet-tuber as some suggested instead of yt-viewer. | 05:09 |
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| tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/tablet-tuber/ | 05:09 |
| tigrux | Packages, source code and one-click-installer is there. | 05:10 |
| tigrux | * are there | 05:10 |
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| dick-richardson | When using vnc viewer on my n810, all text entered is double entered on the host...is there a key timing setting or something I can adjust? | 05:43 |
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| johnx | tigrux, works fine here, but the video is pretty slow | 06:12 |
| tigrux | johnx: Yea, very unfortunated. | 06:13 |
| johnx | the UI is incredibly fast though | 06:13 |
| johnx | have you seen flv playback in mplayer? | 06:14 |
| tigrux | Nope. | 06:15 |
| johnx | it's pretty fast | 06:15 |
| tigrux | I sill don't why the video is slow. Because in a desktop runs very good. | 06:15 |
| tigrux | johnx: Try installing the .deb in your ubuntu gutsy system. | 06:15 |
| johnx | and it's only using 48% the processing power on the tablet | 06:16 |
| johnx | but top claims it's using 95% of the available memory (!!) | 06:16 |
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| Navi | heh | 06:25 |
| Navi | Gotta be a bit more memory-friendly there. | 06:25 |
| tigrux | johnx: What? My program? | 06:25 |
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| johnx | yes :) | 06:25 |
| tigrux | johnx: By the way, were you who suggested naming it tablet-tuber? | 06:26 |
| johnx | top might be lying to me...I'm going to install atop | 06:26 |
| Navi | oh, top doesn't count cached memory as free memory | 06:26 |
| johnx | yeah :) | 06:26 |
| Navi | so it'll be inaccurate :P | 06:26 |
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| tigrux | johnx: Thanks, I like the name. | 06:27 |
| tigrux | johnx: I still need an icon though. | 06:27 |
| tigrux | johnx: I think you also suggested use conic. Thanks! | 06:28 |
| johnx | nope | 06:28 |
| johnx | that was someone else :) | 06:28 |
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| tigrux | johnx: Ey! top is a liar. | 06:28 |
| johnx | ok, that's good to hear | 06:28 |
| johnx | still, I'll try and get atop installed | 06:29 |
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| tigrux | According to it, maemo-launcher is using 81% and osso-media-serv 40% | 06:29 |
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| johnx | still, very interesting that it doesn't appear CPU limited | 06:34 |
| tigrux | johnx: Yea, it's not about cpu. There is a problem elsewhere. | 06:35 |
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| _darc | hello all | 07:09 |
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| fysa | how about USB -> Wireless USB Dongle -> Wireless USB Receiver -> USB Audio Speakers | 07:38 |
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| fysa | or wireless USB to USB SPDIF output to receiver. | 07:39 |
| fysa | that would give you wireless home/whole house audio. | 07:39 |
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| vlad_ | hey folks, quick question... doing a dist-upgrade wants to remove osso-software-version, is that bad times? | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't do any apt-get dist-upgrade or upgrading. | 08:22 |
| vlad_ | er, really? | 08:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It breaks things. | 08:25 |
| vlad_ | how so? the updater app is essentially doing apt/dpkg operations | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ITOS isn't set up to be upgraded through apt. | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Upgrading through apt frequently does funny things when packages get upgraded to broken things. | 08:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just don't do it. | 08:27 |
| vlad_ | well, sure, if things get updated wrong, then yes | 08:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | and things frequently will. | 08:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | so don't do it. | 08:27 |
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| Raghu | I iinstalled the last firmware , and it seems | 09:19 |
| Raghu | that there is a bug in the clock application.What can help me? | 09:19 |
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| tigrux | Raghu: What bug? | 09:22 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:54 |
| Tama^2 | Ciao | 11:55 |
| maddler | morning all | 11:55 |
| solmumaha | huomenta | 11:56 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:27 |
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| maddler | megabyte405_: goodmorning! :) | 12:40 |
| megabyte405_ | howdy | 12:40 |
| megabyte405_ | I sent the stuff | 12:40 |
| EoF | somebody had problems with the KDE installation on n810? | 12:40 |
| EoF | with "impossible update" error? | 12:40 |
| EoF | on the first file installation (local-mmc1) | 12:41 |
| maddler | megabyte405_: yep... seen... was trying to answer but ITT somehow refuses to send the reply! :D | 12:42 |
| megabyte405_ | no worries | 12:43 |
| megabyte405_ | if it's a problem that might affect more people, file a bug if applicable, and/or post to that thread | 12:43 |
| megabyte405_ | I'm subscribed and you should be too :) | 12:43 |
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| maddler | yep | 12:44 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Hi all ! | 13:25 |
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| lcuk_3 | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Py | 13:27 |
| lcuk_3 | hi khert | 13:28 |
| lcuk_3 | http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/pie.htm | 13:28 |
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| Khertan_Work | hi lcuk_3 | 13:33 |
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| Khertan_Work | someone know what have been made in the last firmware update ? | 13:35 |
| Khertan_Work | changes log ? | 13:36 |
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| MangoFusion | the version number has been increased | 13:36 |
| MangoFusion | ; | 13:36 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 13:36 |
| Khertan_Work | pffff ... they have been increadible fast to change the version number ! | 13:37 |
| Khertan_Work | :) | 13:37 |
| jku__ | Khertan_Work, it fixes the power on issue some people are having, supposedly nothing else | 13:37 |
| dpb__ | Khertan_Work: http://www.eth0.it/2008/02/19/os-2008-version-2200751-3-out/ | 13:37 |
| Khertan_Work | ah ok ... so has mine never reboot :) i don't know if i ve this problem :) | 13:38 |
| Khertan_Work | thnks for the infos and the link. | 13:38 |
| Zic | can someone give me a reason to tell my friend why Nokia 770 is no more supported by Maemo ? | 13:38 |
| Zic | OS2008 is not available for 770 | 13:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It is, too. | 13:38 |
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| Zic | uh ? | 13:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/internet_tablet_hacker_edition_pushed_at_chinook_level.html | 13:39 |
| jku__ | Zic, because it's old hardware and we can't expect N to support things indefinitely? | 13:40 |
| jku__ | We _could_ expect open source HW drivers so Nokia stopping support wouldn't be so bad, but that's another story... | 13:41 |
| dpb__ | GeneralAntilles: HE isn't actually supported, it's just a hacked up version. | 13:42 |
| jku__ | Zic, not just old -- also the first HW revision of a new hardware type. | 13:42 |
| dpb__ | plus: "All built-in applications start and run including VoIP but overall the device is not responsive and reliable enough for serious usage." | 13:42 |
| Zic | ok, I will tell him, but I think it's not a good reason : most of opensource project continue to support old hardware, but yeah, there is another story with Nokia drivers, I know | 13:42 |
| johnx | hmm...probably more a lack of large chunks of ITOS being open sourced rather than anything in the kernel this time | 13:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | dpb__, have YOU tried it? :) | 13:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works great over here. | 13:42 |
| dpb__ | Nope. I don't use my 770. | 13:43 |
| johnx | Zic, large chunks of Maemo aren't open sourced | 13:43 |
| jku__ | Zic, exactly: 770 is not an open source project | 13:43 |
| Zic | hmm, an hacked version of ITOS2008 exist for Nokia 770 ? | 13:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you click the link I sent? | 13:43 |
| johnx | yup, Nokia did the work, but there are limitations to how much old hardware can support new software with new features (read: bloat) | 13:44 |
| Zic | johnx & jku__ : yes, I know, it's why I started the adventure of Maemo with a Nokia N800 | 13:44 |
| johnx | because parts of it are closed source? | 13:44 |
| jku__ | :) | 13:44 |
| Zic | I knew 770 before the N800, but most part was closed … | 13:44 |
| johnx | different parts are closed now, maybe a little more, maybe a little less | 13:45 |
| Zic | GeneralAntilles: thanks for the link | 13:45 |
| johnx | if I'd known how much of it was closed I probably would have stuck to my Zaurus, honestly... | 13:45 |
| Zic | GeneralAntilles: it works well ? | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine for my purposes. | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better than OS2006 or OS2007HE. | 13:45 |
| Zic | <GeneralAntilles> Works great over here. <= My question is more « It's like OS2008 of N8*0 plateform ? | 13:46 |
| Zic | sorry, poor english speaker here ;) | 13:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure how to answer that, no, it's not exactly the same functionality as OS2008 on an N8x0, but it's probably about the best it can be considering the 770's hardware. | 13:47 |
| Zic | GeneralAntilles: or for the old hardware, it's a « small and lightweight » release ? | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not been trimmed down, really, no. | 13:47 |
| Zic | ok, thanks for your answer, I will tell my friend ;) | 13:47 |
| jku__ | Zic, not really | 13:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly it's just combining the 770 parts of OS2006 with OS2008. | 13:48 |
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| Zic | other question from me, this time : the N800 is designed to going unmaintened like the 770 in a far, (far far, I hope) future ? | 13:49 |
| Zic | because N810 was started, I want to say | 13:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Support has been guaranteed through OS2009 | 13:49 |
| Zic | N800 is more opensourced, so, it's my question ;) | 13:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | My guess is that it'll go beyond that. | 13:50 |
| Zic | ok | 13:50 |
| Zic | thanks ;) | 13:50 |
| dpb__ | the N810 is quite close to N800, so N800 will probably be supported as long as N810 | 13:51 |
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| johnx | N800 is still missing a lot of source, including wireless driver and bluetooth driver. It is also missing source code for many applications and key parts of the desktop, as well as the battery charging support. | 13:52 |
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| dpb__ | yep | 13:53 |
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| trickie | it is not possible to modify the bootloader on a n800 is it? So i couldn't ever run a kernel that didn't need a initfs? | 13:55 |
| johnx | hmm...could kexec be a solution to that? | 13:56 |
| johnx | that's pretty hacky though | 13:56 |
| johnx | the bigger problem is that if you don't run bme the battery won't charge | 13:56 |
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| Zic | johnx: sorry, I was afk, => « N800 is still missing a lot of source, including wireless driver and bluetooth driver. It is also missing source code for many applications and key parts of the desktop, as well as the battery charging support. » What key part of the desktop ? | 14:03 |
| johnx | this is a long list... | 14:03 |
| Zic | hardware code is not my problem, I don't know « how to touch it » | 14:03 |
| Zic | but part of the desktop … | 14:04 |
| Zic | I only know about mini-Opera browser | 14:04 |
| Zic | but, in OS 2008, it's a mozilla based navigator, isnt'it ? | 14:04 |
| Zic | isn't it* | 14:05 |
| johnx | most statusbar applets, including volume and brightness (probably more), the browser and communications menus on the left bar, most of the home applets | 14:05 |
| johnx | browser UI, parts of calculator, lots of media player | 14:05 |
| Zic | hmm, in OS2008, I suspect (except for hardware software) only mapper, thanks for your infos | 14:06 |
| johnx | there is more without source | 14:06 |
| Zic | I suspected* | 14:06 |
| johnx | most of the settings panel I think | 14:07 |
| Zic | It's why restricted meta package is necessary to have a complede hildon desktop ? | 14:07 |
| Zic | from Nokia repository ? | 14:07 |
| johnx | yes | 14:07 |
| Zic | binary package … | 14:07 |
| Zic | ok, thanks ;) | 14:07 |
| johnx | most of the binary-only stuff isn't in any repository | 14:08 |
| johnx | when Nokia drops support for the N800 it will be no different than how the 770 is now | 14:08 |
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| Tama^2 | >.> hopefully the new release will fix the battery problem on my N800, wishful thinking | 14:09 |
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| johnx | Tama^2, battery problems? | 14:10 |
| Zic | last question, an other subject : do you know about Ubuntu Mobile version ? It's dedicated to some UMPC like Samsung Q1 Ultra, which is more a PC than an Internet Tablet like the N800 | 14:10 |
| Zic | do you know if it's compatible with N800 ? | 14:10 |
| johnx | Zic, there is no ARM version of Ubuntu Mobile as far as I know | 14:10 |
| Tama^2 | yeah, as soon as I stick an sdcard in he battery drains way faster | 14:11 |
| Zic | I know that Qtopia port exist for N800 | 14:11 |
| Tama^2 | even when I leave it idle | 14:11 |
| johnx | also, ubuntu mobile's memory requirements will probably be a little high for the N800 | 14:11 |
| Tama^2 | we are talking 10x power consumption | 14:11 |
| johnx | !! | 14:11 |
| Zic | johnx: hmm, true, I don't realize about ARM proc of N800 :} | 14:11 |
| Tama^2 | even if the sdcards are umounted | 14:11 |
| Tama^2 | *unmounted | 14:11 |
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| johnx | I guess I should test on mine to see if that's the case | 14:11 |
| johnx | do 2 sd cards double the draw of 1 sd card? | 14:12 |
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| Tama^2 | apparently yes | 14:12 |
| johnx | wow | 14:12 |
| johnx | that's unfortunate | 14:12 |
| johnx | that's probably been biting me for a while as well | 14:12 |
| Zic | oh, last question (bis), about the update of mapper : it's uninstallable with a strange error of depends, but it's an application supported officially by Nokia, and I have official repos … idea ? | 14:12 |
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| Zic | update are available but never installed since my flash to install OS2008 | 14:13 |
| johnx | no idea :/ I haven't used it at all or bothered updating it. | 14:14 |
| Tama^2 | zic, uninstall it | 14:14 |
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| Tama^2 | and then install it again | 14:14 |
| Tama^2 | that fixes it | 14:14 |
| Zic | Tama^2: hmm, I will uninstall it and … that's all, in fact, N800 has no GPS integrated, I don't know why I've mapper alway installed :} | 14:15 |
| Zic | thanks :} | 14:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Map" not "mapper" | 14:19 |
| Zic | yes, confusion, sorry | 14:19 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 14:21 |
| johnx | mornin' | 14:23 |
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| MangoFusion | got sdhc cards in mine, no notable extra battery drain noted so far | 14:24 |
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| Tama^2 | MangoFusion: which size? and how many? | 14:28 |
| MangoFusion | currently got 2x4gb class 4 | 14:28 |
| Tama^2 | can you tell me the brand? | 14:28 |
| Tama^2 | please | 14:28 |
| Tama^2 | :) | 14:28 |
| MangoFusion | before i had 1x1gb (microsd) and 1x512mb (sd) | 14:29 |
| MangoFusion | and that ran all day in idle mode | 14:29 |
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| Tama^2 | you mean only one day? from charge to discharge? | 14:30 |
| MangoFusion | can't really gauge the sdhc fully yet, only had it in for a few days | 14:30 |
| MangoFusion | well it probably lasted a bit longer, i didn't do any strict testing | 14:31 |
| MangoFusion | depends what is turned on, etc | 14:31 |
| Tama^2 | with 2x sdcards it lasts 25 hours in idle mode (for me) | 14:32 |
| Tama^2 | same condition without sdcards > 5 days | 14:32 |
| MangoFusion | i'll have to time it next time | 14:32 |
| Tama^2 | way more | 14:32 |
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| MangoFusion | personally i don't mind as long as its > 1 day | 14:33 |
| MangoFusion | do you have wifi on too? | 14:33 |
| Tama^2 | no, no applets, no apps, no metalayer crawler, offline more and sdcards umounted | 14:34 |
| Tama^2 | still lasts only 25 hours | 14:35 |
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| trickie | johnx: bme? kernel module? | 14:37 |
| johnx | bme isn't a kernel module | 14:38 |
| MangoFusion | in any case, i'll have a check myself once my device has charged up | 14:38 |
| Tama^2 | please le me know if you have time and are willing to run some tests | 14:39 |
| trickie | johnx: a ha 'Battery Management Entity' | 14:39 |
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| johnx | bme is a daemon-type closed-source program that seems to have some critical connection to battery charging and monitoring | 14:39 |
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| trickie | johnx: and without an initfs i wouldn't have it | 14:40 |
| trickie | ? | 14:40 |
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| johnx | pretty sure it and dsme run from the initfs | 14:41 |
| johnx | trickie, looking at your options for running a different Linux distro? :) | 14:41 |
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| trickie | well i been playing with mamona | 14:41 |
| trickie | what i really want is to be able to run a recent linux-omap kernel | 14:41 |
| trickie | get kprobes/systemtap working nice | 14:42 |
| johnx | ah | 14:42 |
| johnx | looks interesting, though for out of my depth :) | 14:43 |
| trickie | yeah bit out of mine also... but trying :) | 14:43 |
| johnx | it's the only way to learn :) | 14:43 |
| trickie | i have a kernel with a hacked up version of kprobes now... but systemtap needs a newer gcc than we have in sratchbox | 14:43 |
| * lcuk has been out of his depth since he got 810 | 14:44 | |
| trickie | so thats the main reason i been looking into mamona | 14:44 |
| johnx | trickie, *shamess plug* you could also look at the debian tarball I put together, but it won't get you a new kernel | 14:44 |
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| trickie | you base that on the debian ARM port? | 14:45 |
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| johnx | yup, it's just a hacked up debian sid armel debootstrap | 14:45 |
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| trickie | cool, got a link anywhere? | 14:47 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 14:48 |
| johnx | I should actually update that...I think I chaged something recently... | 14:48 |
| johnx | nope, I already updated it :) | 14:48 |
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| trickie | nice, ill check it out | 14:49 |
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| trickie | so i guess i could *try* to run a newer custom kernel... but id have to have enough battery left to reflash the old kernel back so i could charge my battery? | 14:53 |
| trickie | kinda dangerous | 14:53 |
| johnx | have you tried kexec? | 14:53 |
| johnx | also, I'm really not sure about the charging situation | 14:54 |
| trickie | nah i haven't tried kexec yet | 14:54 |
| trickie | next on the list | 14:54 |
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| johnx | I should say *as I understand things* bme is important to battery charging | 14:55 |
| johnx | there was some discussion about bme on the maemo developers list a while ago, that was written by people with more of a clue than myself :) | 14:55 |
| trickie | ok, ill have a dig around... im sure others have tried a stock linux-omap kernel | 14:56 |
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| johnx | sometimes I don't know | 14:56 |
| Tak | pff, understanding things is overrated | 14:56 |
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| trickie | i guess id be without wireless also | 15:07 |
| johnx | part of the wireless driver is closed and part open | 15:08 |
| johnx | I haven't looked at the source yet to see if the open part is actually an interface for the closed part | 15:09 |
| LL00 | how i can get right click with n800? | 15:09 |
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| johnx | tap and hold | 15:09 |
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| LL00 | cool thx | 15:10 |
| lcuk | is there a software hack to disable (and re-enable) the keyboard backlight on the 810? | 15:11 |
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| Jaffa | My N810's internal card has got corrupted. Trying to use it as an SD card reader over USB *always* gives in use. | 15:27 |
| fysa | could be a lie. did you try removing the battery and rebooting? | 15:28 |
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| MangoFusion | anyone here boot from internal mmc? i'm wondering if it would be a good idea to enable the swap as well... | 15:29 |
| Jaffa | fysa: tried rebooting, lsof says nothing using it. | 15:31 |
| * Jaffa 'll remove the battery as well | 15:31 | |
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| Jaffa | That seemed to do it. Also ensured USB cable was attached on boot ;-) | 15:33 |
| fysa | nice. the 'reboot' doesn't seem to always do that. | 15:35 |
| trickie | MangoFusion: i assume if you have partioned your mmc to have a vfat partition you could use that partition to hold a swap file | 15:36 |
| trickie | and still keep your ext2/3 partition to boot from | 15:37 |
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| MangoFusion | yes that is the case | 15:38 |
| trickie | should work ok i think | 15:38 |
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| melmoth | anybody using pyhton and glade ? | 15:39 |
| melmoth | i was able to reparent a main window as a hildon one, but i cannot get_widget() a second window. | 15:40 |
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| MangoFusion | just wondering how much of a performance (or life span) hit i'd get though with both the os and the swap being on the same card | 15:40 |
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| trickie | MangoFusion: well you will definately lessen the lifespan | 15:42 |
| MangoFusion | that much i have figured already | 15:42 |
| johnx | it's pretty hard to give you numbers | 15:43 |
| Tak | melmoth: another window that exists in the .glade ‽ | 15:43 |
| trickie | :) | 15:43 |
| MangoFusion | i'm perfectly happy having no swap of course, just wondering about my options here ;) | 15:43 |
| johnx | the case where you're trying to load a program from sd and it causes swapping will not be fun | 15:43 |
| melmoth | Tak yep, it exist in glade. | 15:43 |
| melmoth | but get_widget return None | 15:44 |
| Tak | then something's wrong - you checked that you didn't typo the name, etc? | 15:44 |
| melmoth | yep . | 15:45 |
| melmoth | i was wondering if this may be due to the fact that i had to reparent the main window. | 15:45 |
| melmoth | but the problem is even before i destroy the main window | 15:45 |
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| trickie | can you boot from the external card on a n800? | 15:47 |
| johnx | yup | 15:52 |
| johnx | I guess it depends on what you mean by "boot" | 15:52 |
| melmoth | Tak: the python is http://sd-2175.dedibox.fr/sayhoo-0.0/src/sayhoo | 15:52 |
| melmoth | the glade is http://sd-2175.dedibox.fr/sayhoo-0.0/data/sayhoo.glade | 15:53 |
| johnx | you get control after initfs has already run and dsme and bme are started | 15:53 |
| trickie | yeah | 15:53 |
| trickie | rootfs | 15:53 |
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| johnx | if you use fanoush's modified initfs booting from ext sd is easy | 15:53 |
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| johnx | booting from (for example) nfs over wifi or usb-net is harder but possible | 15:54 |
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| trickie | ok, ta | 15:54 |
| Tak | melmoth: can you access changeDestWindow even if you don't reparent the main window? (e.g. in a tiny sample) | 15:55 |
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| melmoth | Tak: nope, if i comment out the reparent (and the self.glade_xml.get_widget("mainWindow").destroy() ) , i still got the same behaviour | 15:59 |
| melmoth | this is strange, i m sure i had this working on regular glade stuff once. | 15:59 |
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| Tak | I suspect libglade only supports one main window | 16:01 |
| melmoth | grumble. I do not know how to create a child window within the glade gui | 16:02 |
| Tak | dialog box? | 16:03 |
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| melmoth | i m trying that, but it also appears at the same level in the xml tree than the mainwindow itself | 16:04 |
| melmoth | indeed, got the same behaviour. | 16:05 |
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| melmoth | Problem must be somewhere else, or nobody could have ported glade application that use several windows. | 16:05 |
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| Tak | do you know of another pyglade maemo app that uses multiple windows? | 16:08 |
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| truls | Tak: just make more main windows in glade | 16:09 |
| truls | shouldn't be a problem | 16:09 |
| melmoth | yet, it doesnt work (tm) :-) | 16:09 |
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| melmoth | i do not know of other such application on top of my head though | 16:10 |
| truls | ok, sorry, i haven't followed the entire discussion | 16:10 |
| Tak | mmm, I love shouldn't | 16:10 |
| * truls loves chocolate | 16:10 | |
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| melmoth | truls: truls http://sd-2175.dedibox.fr/sayhoo-0.0/src/sayhoo | 16:11 |
| melmoth | self.glade_xml.get_widget("changeDestWindow") returns None | 16:11 |
| melmoth | and changeDestWindow exists in http://sd-2175.dedibox.fr/sayhoo-0.0/data/sayhoo.glade | 16:11 |
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| Solarion | truls: now why did you have to go and mention chocolate? | 16:12 |
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| truls | melmoth: self.glade_xml=gtk.glade.XML(gladefile,"mainWindow") | 16:13 |
| * Solarion cleans up the drool | 16:13 | |
| truls | melmoth: change this and get another one for the other window | 16:13 |
| truls | not sure if it'll work, but worht a shot | 16:14 |
| Tak | ahh | 16:14 |
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| |tbb| | heya tak, have u get my msg | 16:14 |
| Khertan_Work | multiple windows in the same glade file work ... | 16:14 |
| Tak | |tbb|: yeah, I just thought it was last night ;-) | 16:14 |
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| melmoth | truls: ohh, good point | 16:15 |
| |tbb| | johnx, do u listen to music using a2dp through mplayer on your tablet? | 16:15 |
| melmoth | Victorrry ! | 16:16 |
| truls | yay | 16:16 |
| melmoth | truls: thank you so very much :) | 16:16 |
| truls | np | 16:16 |
| truls | chocolate saves the day once more | 16:17 |
| * Solarion gets the napkin again | 16:17 | |
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| Tobotras | Where to start if I want to talk with bluetooth device? | 16:21 |
| MangoFusion | http://lightblue.sourceforge.net/ perhaps? | 16:22 |
| johnx | |tbb|, not that often, honestly | 16:22 |
| MangoFusion | (assuming you are using python, hehe) | 16:23 |
| Zic | X-Chat is available for OS2007, what happen with OS2008 ? For the moment, I'm blocked with Pidgin for IRC :s | 16:23 |
| Zic | I take a look in maemo-hacker repository | 16:24 |
| MangoFusion | could recompile it in scratchbox, no? | 16:24 |
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| Zic | it seems X-Chat is only available on OS2007 | 16:24 |
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| fysa | it's available. | 16:24 |
| Zic | MangoFusion: Yes, I can, but if package are available, why ? ;) | 16:24 |
| fysa | http://www.google.com/search?q=x-chat+chinook&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a | 16:24 |
| MangoFusion | haha yes | 16:24 |
| johnx | Zic, google for xchat chinook | 16:25 |
| fysa | I use it all the time.. | 16:25 |
| Tobotras | Zic: I use xchat f/2008 | 16:25 |
| johnx | chinook = OS2008 | 16:25 |
| fysa | right now, in fact, this very session is being shared with xchat on my N800. | 16:25 |
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| Tak | anyone have the source for the xchat chinook package? | 16:25 |
| Zic | yes, I know, but the olny thing I've found is a beta .deb http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 16:25 |
| Zic | Do you use it ? | 16:26 |
| fysa | it works fine. | 16:26 |
| Zic | s/it/this/ ? | 16:26 |
| Zic | ok, thanks for info ;) | 16:26 |
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| fysa | that it's been "beta" and our only option this long is a testament ;) | 16:26 |
| Zic | it's fine ^^ | 16:27 |
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| _collin1 | will there be a Maemo CeBIT thingy? | 16:29 |
| |tbb| | could it be possible that the mplayer port for n8x00 doesnt support keyshortcuts like 0-9 for volume control or do i have to start mplayer with extra parameter | 16:29 |
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| |tbb| | s/n8x00/n8x0 (before speculation beginns)/ | 16:30 |
| infobot | |tbb| meant: could it be possible that the mplayer port for n8x0 (before speculation beginns) doesnt support keyshortcuts like 0-9 for volume control or do i have to start mplayer with extra parameter | 16:30 |
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| Zic | what is the difference between to say : « OS200* » and « ITOS200* » ? I use the first one all the time, but it seems IT one is more used, there is a difference ? | 16:31 |
| fysa | you should be able to define shortcuts in ~/.mplayer/config | 16:31 |
| fysa | it supports some, at least, because that's what the hardware keys are. | 16:31 |
| fysa | you can bring up the menu to adjust the volume.. | 16:32 |
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| fysa | but my problem is that I sometimes want volume at 200-250 ('surround sound' movie) to hear the dialogue properly. | 16:32 |
| fysa | and the OSD only lets you adjust up to 100.. | 16:32 |
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| |tbb| | :/ | 16:33 |
| fysa | so my solution was to modify ~/mplayer/.config and set vol:200 there | 16:33 |
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| fysa | and then the OSD lets you adjust volume *down* in steps .. 195, 190, etc. but as soon as you try to push it back up, it gets reset to 100. | 16:34 |
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| fysa | what do you need extra shortcuts for? | 16:34 |
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| |tbb| | skipping songs | 16:39 |
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| |tbb| | could you cat me your mplayer config file into privmsg | 16:41 |
| fysa | let's see if my device is awake ;) | 16:41 |
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| Tobotras | MangoFusion: thanks | 16:43 |
| fysa | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56747/ | 16:44 |
| fysa | pastebin is down, put it there instead. | 16:44 |
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| LL00 | do you guys know scribd ? | 16:44 |
| fysa | these settings play 2-CD XVID/DIVX DVD rips at the standard 1Mbps with little issue. | 16:45 |
| fysa | I rip a DVD just as if I were ripping to play on a regular SD TV. | 16:45 |
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| * lcuk2 stretches out | 16:50 | |
| lcuk2 | the keys on this apple wireless keyboard feel massive | 16:50 |
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| fysa | the new one? | 16:50 |
| lcuk2 | yer | 16:51 |
| MangoFusion | is that the new one? | 16:51 |
| lcuk2 | the laptop styled thin one | 16:51 |
| fysa | I know, isn't it lovely? | 16:51 |
| MangoFusion | i contemplated getting that, but it seemed a bit too big | 16:51 |
| |tbb| | hmmh fysa: it hadnt change anything on my volume | 16:51 |
| lcuk2 | each key though is big and its really easy and comfortable to type on | 16:51 |
| MangoFusion | (for tablet use) | 16:51 |
| fysa | typing with mine as we speak.. | 16:51 |
| lcuk2 | fysa, are you in the uk by any chance | 16:51 |
| fysa | http://www.sfbags.com/products/keyboardcases/keyboard.htm | 16:52 |
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| fysa | http://www.sfbags.com/products/keyboardcases/images/KB-Travel-Fit1-lg.jpg | 16:52 |
| fysa | thinking of getting this. | 16:52 |
| fysa | sorry, in the US | 16:52 |
| * Tobotras have found maemo connectivity guide, that should be it | 16:53 | |
| lcuk2 | i got this so i could type in bed - ive got 810 so on the road i am sorted | 16:53 |
| MangoFusion | ah neat | 16:53 |
| fysa | I gave away the IBM M-clicky that I've been using for 10 years, because this Apple wireless keyboard is finally 'good enough' | 16:53 |
| fysa | .. just a matter of training myself to not need a 10-key. :) | 16:53 |
| lcuk2 | ahhh damn, i think apple only have one leyboard layout, cos my quote key is in the wrong place | 16:53 |
| MangoFusion | apple keyboards can have pretty odd key layouts | 16:54 |
| fysa | the only problem I have with this keyboard so far is the CAPS LOCK delay. | 16:54 |
| fysa | I map CAPS LOCK to CTRL.. | 16:54 |
| lcuk2 | ive never wanted a wireless board after bad experiences with the first gen type boards (and mice as well) | 16:54 |
| fysa | and the delay kind of screws with editting and copying/pasting from time to time. | 16:54 |
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| lcuk2 | what do you mean DELAY it just works? | 16:55 |
| fysa | I think it's worth adjusting to this small keyboard though to not have to suffer withdrawls while away from the desk.. | 16:55 |
| fysa | tap the CAPS LOCK quickly once | 16:55 |
| fysa | it won't turn on. | 16:55 |
| fysa | there's a .25 second delay or something. | 16:55 |
| lcuk2 | oh crap its not quick is itsdfsdfsdfSDSDFSDF | 16:55 |
| fysa | that you have to hold it down for.. | 16:56 |
| fysa | as a 'protection' scheme from accidentally tripping it. | 16:56 |
| fysa | haha | 16:56 |
| lcuk2 | it doesnt have the delay always its inconsistent which is worse | 16:56 |
| fysa | it's hardwired into the electronics of the keyboard itself.. | 16:56 |
| fysa | there is some other key with a similar delay, maybe eject. | 16:57 |
| lcuk2 | DOES THE LIGHT ON IT COME ON? | 16:57 |
| lcuk2 | oh poo | 16:57 |
| fysa | not for me in Windows anyway.. | 16:57 |
| lcuk2 | oooooooor is that just a random dot | 16:57 |
| lcuk2 | :O wtf | 16:57 |
| fysa | can't remember in OS X. | 16:57 |
| fysa | that could be triggered by the OS. | 16:57 |
| lcuk2 | lol helps if i look at my 810 screen instead of my desktop session | 16:57 |
| * lcuk closes this one | 16:58 | |
| fysa | sort of like how the old crappy Logitech keyboards had the CAPS LOCK/NUM LOCK light on the receiver instead of the keyboard.. | 16:58 |
| fysa | because they could never be sure what state the keyboard was actually in at the keyboard itself, due to packet loss. | 16:58 |
| lcuk2 | save on battery power - undeeeeeerstandable really | 16:58 |
| lcuk2 | ok, wtf is this phantom long keystroke | 16:58 |
| lcuk2 | i wonder if it only occurs when something else is happening | 16:59 |
| fysa | try turning off prediction? | 16:59 |
| lcuk2 | cos my typing hasnt suddenly got that bad | 16:59 |
| lcuk2 | undeeeeeerstandabbbbbbbble is predicted? | 16:59 |
| fysa | hahaha | 17:00 |
| fysa | maybe it's looking up prediction and interrupting something. | 17:00 |
| Navi | :3 | 17:00 |
| fysa | trying to think of other activity that would be going on while typing. ;) | 17:00 |
| Navi | You probably inputted it some time ago and it remembered it. | 17:00 |
| fysa | there wouldn't be prediction here.. | 17:00 |
| lcuk2 | maybe when the device is scrolling something on screen it locks up because im not holding keys for that long | 17:00 |
| MangoFusion | maybe they are bringing out a new model and thus the keyboard is programmed to go apeshit beforehand | 17:00 |
| fysa | I believe it's related to the lagged input. | 17:00 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 17:00 |
| lcuk2 | its never tried to second guess me before so i dont think its prediction | 17:01 |
| fysa | it feels like the bluetooth receiver is flipping on/off as some sort of power saving measure.. | 17:01 |
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| lcuk2 | yes and when the computer changes gear it gets a stutter | 17:01 |
| fysa | like polling more slowly than it should be | 17:01 |
| lcuk2 | how far away should bluetooth work, i quite like the idea of continuing to code whilst im afs | 17:02 |
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| MangoFusion | blind coding? | 17:02 |
| lcuk2 | on another topic, has there been any nokia news regarding flash 51.3 ? | 17:03 |
| lcuk2 | yer mango, ilook at the screen so infrequently anyway and know when i have made a mistake | 17:03 |
| johnx | I think the general conclusion is that it's just to fix the power on/off "enigma" | 17:03 |
| * lcuk2 has an internal text buffer | 17:03 | |
| fysa | I've plugged my device into a wall in a corner of the room with a 24pt font 30 feet away, and taken notes on it from the conference table.. | 17:03 |
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| MangoFusion | interesting idea | 17:04 |
| lcuk2 | some people wonder why you just didnt take it with you ;) | 17:04 |
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| fysa | battery was dying after taking notes all day.. | 17:04 |
| fysa | and no plug near me.. | 17:05 |
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| * johnx sits where the outlets are :) | 17:05 | |
| * mwaldron has a 2xAA Energi-To-Go | 17:06 | |
| sadam | there's a problem with https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/jhbuild_modules/maemo.modules because the inclusion of the gnome-2.22 from cvs no longer works | 17:06 |
| fysa | it was very slick, apart from the setting it in the corner ;) | 17:06 |
| MangoFusion | pity you can't hook up a hamster on a wheel to it | 17:06 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 17:06 |
| Navi | Forget hamsters | 17:06 |
| Navi | hook up a potato to it | 17:06 |
| fysa | sending the agenda/notes file to everyone via bluetooth at the end of the day was cake | 17:06 |
| MangoFusion | haha great idea | 17:06 |
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| johnx | reminds me of the crank charger for the OLPC and then the one for the DS... | 17:06 |
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| mwaldron | i need to test my solar charger on the 810. see if i can anty up the current | 17:07 |
| lcuk2 | foot pedal charger would seem more practical - like the old singer sewing machines my gran had | 17:07 |
| fysa | haha | 17:07 |
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| lcuk2 | or a cycling machine charger | 17:07 |
| lcuk2 | you have to continue cycling over 15mph to play games | 17:08 |
| MangoFusion | get fit and power your device at the same time! | 17:08 |
| Tak | keyboard charger for the n810 | 17:08 |
| MangoFusion | everybody wins! | 17:08 |
| Navi | MangoFusion, good idea! | 17:08 |
| Navi | THAT is now you get kids in the US to get into shape | 17:08 |
| lcuk2 | its a great idea to be honest and would help to save the planet in multiple ways | 17:08 |
| Navi | Force kids to exercise to power their games. | 17:09 |
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| johnx | heh...force them to exercise to power *my* games | 17:09 |
| lcuk2 | tho some kids will try it with their actual bikes and be playing ps3 whilst riding down the street with a monitor strapped to handlebars | 17:09 |
| Navi | johnx, illegal! | 17:09 |
| * Navi whips johnx | 17:09 | |
| johnx | curses, foiled again! | 17:10 |
| johnx | if it wasn't for you meddling kids and that dog! | 17:10 |
| lcuk2 | the only real winners in a scooby doo episode are the fancy dress shops | 17:10 |
| MangoFusion | you'd need a beowulf cluster of kids on bikes to power a ps3 | 17:11 |
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| lcuk2 | but at least they wouldnt be fat | 17:11 |
| johnx | don't they come with an internal fusion reactor? | 17:11 |
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| johnx | well, then we need to fix their *diet*...but otherwise... | 17:12 |
| lcuk2 | we got ourselves a convoy - the lead bike gets to play whilst the others power it | 17:12 |
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| johnx | set it up like a flock of birds, maybe | 17:12 |
| lcuk2 | i eat chocolate and chips and fry ups and stuff and im not fat - its not entirely diet | 17:12 |
| lcuk2 | quantity matters | 17:12 |
| johnx | yes | 17:13 |
| johnx | and diet *can't* be ignored like it's not part of the problem | 17:13 |
| johnx | just like alternative energy | 17:13 |
| johnx | there is no *one size fits all* answer | 17:13 |
| lcuk2 | not at all, hey you could make some kind of electrolising drink which when they pee into a bottle will power devices | 17:13 |
| johnx | O_o | 17:13 |
| lcuk2 | try taking that through customs | 17:14 |
| johnx | as long as it's less than 4oz ... | 17:14 |
| fysa | let's just replace the plastic and aluminum cases for our devices with super sponge material | 17:14 |
| fysa | then we can just drop them into the toilet for a recharge | 17:14 |
| johnx | I really do like the crank idea | 17:14 |
| johnx | you can attach *anything* to it | 17:14 |
| lcuk2 | sod that fysa, just give computers an open top and keep then in the bathroom itself | 17:14 |
| johnx | some type of twisting force goes in one end and 5v comes out the other... | 17:15 |
| fysa | I believe someone makes a crank charger for AAs | 17:15 |
| johnx | they make one for the DS | 17:15 |
| lcuk2 | the crank charger is great, but impractical when you need your hands - the first gen olpc had ideas for numerous charging methods and the foot pedal was one of them | 17:15 |
| johnx | just need a plug adapter | 17:15 |
| fysa | you could use that with AAs and the external battery packs.. | 17:15 |
| lcuk2 | i saw some thing about a chargerrrrrr which attaches to leg and uses the movement of your knee | 17:16 |
| * lcuk2 deletes the rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs | 17:16 | |
| fysa | http://geektechnique.org/index.php?id=236 | 17:17 |
| fysa | there we go | 17:17 |
| johnx | or this: http://www.engadget.com/2005/02/21/hand-crank-charger-for-the-nintendo-ds/ | 17:17 |
| fysa | my N800 adapter is 5v | 17:18 |
| johnx | now you're getting it :) | 17:18 |
| lcuk2 | get 2 then | 17:18 |
| fysa | I can imagine that it would handle 6v fine.. | 17:18 |
| lcuk2 | you know, i dont know why i come here, you lot are just a bunch of cranks | 17:18 |
| lcuk2 | :D | 17:18 |
| johnx | :P | 17:18 |
| fysa | haha | 17:19 |
| fysa | woohoo! it gathered enough power to boot my ipod! | 17:19 |
| fysa | (this happened after appr. 30 minutes of cranking and several attempts of my ipod to boot in between but not succeeding in that) | 17:19 |
| johnx | wow | 17:19 |
| fysa | hahaha | 17:19 |
| johnx | just wow | 17:19 |
| lcuk2 | modern man would use that energy to walk to the shop | 17:19 |
| fysa | ...then it seemed it found it’s way, cause I could stop cranking and it kept charging (there are batteries in the flashlight, so those are discharging)... it kept charging for appr. 5 minutes and then this animated charge-icon became static | 17:19 |
| johnx | maybe better off attaching it to a bicycle wheel | 17:19 |
| fysa | ah | 17:20 |
| fysa | the iPod wall charger is 12v | 17:20 |
| lcuk2 | one of my friends ran household electric from a massive weight hanging from the stairs - every couple of days he would wind it back up and let it unwind charging a couple of car batteries | 17:20 |
| fysa | hahahaha | 17:20 |
| fysa | that is great. | 17:21 |
| lcuk2 | it worked really well - obviously not upto powering the boiler or electric cooker, but enough for the low uses | 17:21 |
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| lcuk2 | right, i think i need to do some testing with sdl/gtk. ive found a nice IDE for windows which does what i want and can build projects nicely. i just need to build a script to copy it over after saving | 17:24 |
| johnx | 'night all | 17:24 |
| * johnx sleeps | 17:24 | |
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| lcuk2 | then run make and then finally copy and execute on the 810 | 17:24 |
| lcuk2 | nite johnx | 17:24 |
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| * lcuk2 would prefer to skip the vmware @make@ stage | 17:25 | |
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| lcuk2 | ive heard that gcc and the autotools and the sdk can be put directly onto the 8x0, anyone have any instructions or guides knocking around? | 17:26 |
| Navi | >_> | 17:27 |
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| * lcuk2 wont try to recompile the kernel but it should be quick enough for small projects | 17:27 | |
| fysa | should just be a matter of having the correct sources. | 17:28 |
| fysa | repos | 17:28 |
| fysa | there is a scratchbox repo that mounts loopback or some such | 17:28 |
| fysa | if you were to get that working with the on-device sources.list/apt, I believe that would take you a long way. | 17:28 |
| lcuk2 | but i dont want scratchbox because i am compiling natively ? | 17:29 |
| fysa | deb file:/home/jfisher/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0 chinook explicit | 17:29 |
| lcuk2 | i thought scratch was just a wrapper arltiple targets | 17:29 |
| fysa | correct, you don't want scratchbox, but you want gcc and such | 17:29 |
| fysa | I think that SDK repo file has those? | 17:29 |
| lcuk2 | yer i do. thanks ill look now. oh hang on, you linked to a local file... | 17:30 |
| fysa | right. | 17:30 |
| fysa | when you install scratchbox, it creates a local repo | 17:30 |
| fysa | I'm thinking that's where some of the dependencies for building are going to be.. | 17:30 |
| fysa | but I could be wrong. :) | 17:30 |
| lcuk2 | so i have to install scratchbox on my 810? | 17:30 |
| fysa | no, I would install scratchbox somewhere else -- or look in your vmware /etc/apt/sources.list | 17:31 |
| fysa | it should have the same file:// | 17:31 |
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| fysa | copy that to your 810, add to your sources, then apt-get update | 17:31 |
| lcuk2 | diff user name, but yer i think ill find it - either that or ill just try and grab the stuff from nokia. | 17:31 |
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| lcuk2 | i hope this works because then for the majority of things i can bypass vmware | 17:32 |
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| lcuk2 | code and dev wherever and run as required on device | 17:32 |
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| kaltsi | hey guys I can't really follow your conversation, but please check your ideas again before installing stuff like that to the n810 | 17:34 |
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| Khertan_Work | kaltsi > i ve try it in the past on n800 on os2007 ... but compiling was a pain as memory (with swap) wasn't enought for large projects | 17:36 |
| fysa | looking through the repo now.. | 17:36 |
| jumpula | you could attach a usb mass storage and use that as swap :) | 17:37 |
| fysa | lots of osso* stuff there, but only a dozen or so -dev packages. | 17:37 |
| kaltsi | Khertan_Work: I can imagine :) | 17:37 |
| fysa | the new 32GB SDHCs are supposed to be 22-25MB/sec, that would be a nice improvement. | 17:37 |
| fysa | for N800 owners ;) | 17:37 |
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| Khertan_Work | jumpula > yes but you need to set the swap by hand as interface allow you only to set 128 Mo and less. | 17:44 |
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| fysa | USB -> IDE -> SDRAM/DDR adapter. ;) | 17:46 |
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| glass | hehe | 17:49 |
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| melmoth | Are treeview searcheable in maemo ? | 18:28 |
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| suitch | my /home/user/.browser file is a long string of whatever (namely: ^@^@^@^@^ etc.) | 18:35 |
| suitch | is there anything that can be done with that? | 18:36 |
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| nomis | suitch: I suspect that in reality these are zero-bytes. | 18:42 |
| nomis | suitch: it is your file-viewer that shows them as "^@" | 18:42 |
| suitch | vi and nano | 18:42 |
| nomis | yeah. Zero-Bytes. | 18:42 |
| suitch | it's supposed to be a configuration file | 18:42 |
| suitch | and i'd like to edit it | 18:42 |
| nomis | suitch: seems something bad happened to it. | 18:43 |
| suitch | then why doesn't it have the usual things in it? | 18:43 |
| suitch | as regular text? | 18:44 |
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| suitch | and how do you edit something like that? | 18:44 |
| Tak | is this os2006 or 2007? | 18:44 |
| suitch | 2006 | 18:44 |
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| Tak | 2006 had a bug in the wifi driver that occasionally wrote zero-bytes to random places on the flash | 18:47 |
| suitch | i have the bugfix since right after reflashing | 18:48 |
| suitch | not to mention I haven't used wifi yet on this rootfs | 18:48 |
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| suitch | also anything i write at the end of this file disappears after running the browser | 18:51 |
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| GNUcoso | Hi | 20:03 |
| Navi | Hi | 20:03 |
| MangoFusion | hi | 20:04 |
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| tripolo | hello, any speak spanish help me? | 20:06 |
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| Navi | How's the N8X0 situation on calculators? | 20:17 |
| MangoFusion | http://www.motionnet.com/calculator/ there | 20:19 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 20:19 |
| Navi | Heh | 20:19 |
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| Tak | hmm, nobody helped tripolo... | 20:20 |
| Navi | I don't speak spanish | 20:20 |
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| Veggen | hmmf. I think the N810 uses the wireless interface for sip connections no matter if there's a more direct way to the sip server. | 20:21 |
| Veggen | (and yes, there is: the openvpn tunnel) | 20:21 |
| Veggen | ..and for the upnp browsing too. nuts. | 20:23 |
| Navi | I recall there being a script to hildonize glade apps | 20:25 |
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| Navi | Nevermind | 20:29 |
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| wwp | Navi: really? any pointer? | 20:33 |
| Navi | Actually, there was, but I couldn't find it. My question was going to be if anyone knew where to find it | 20:34 |
| Navi | but I decided to do it myself | 20:34 |
| Tak | I've always done it manually | 20:34 |
| wwp | I have two gtk+ apps to hildonize, are there good references about that job? | 20:35 |
| wwp | (or google will tell me I presume) | 20:36 |
| Tak | references about what aspect of hildonizing? | 20:36 |
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| Navi | the maemo wiki has references | 20:36 |
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| Tak | "dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libvalagame.so.0" | 20:38 |
| wwp | Tak: technical stuff, examples, docs, pointers, even theoretical things | 20:38 |
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| melmoth | What would be the most appropriate gtk widget to display a counter ? (label, textinput ?) | 20:39 |
| Tak | "$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/libvalagame.so.0 | 20:39 |
| Tak | valagame: /usr/lib/libvalagame.so.0" | 20:39 |
| * Tak scratch head | 20:39 | |
| wwp | I'll ask maemo ;) | 20:39 |
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| Tak | melmoth: changeable? | 20:39 |
| ulises | hello all | 20:39 |
| melmoth | not changeable by the uer | 20:40 |
| melmoth | it ll be a time counter | 20:40 |
| Tak | I'd say a label | 20:40 |
| melmoth | ok. thanks. | 20:40 |
| Tak | wwp: probably the maemo tutorial | 20:40 |
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| wwp | sure | 20:42 |
| wwp | thanks | 20:42 |
| Navi | Glade support would be nice :/ | 20:42 |
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| Tak | yeah, it would save having to hackishly manually hildonize everything | 20:43 |
| Navi | Yeh | 20:43 |
| Navi | Sucks that glade is so common nowadays | 20:44 |
| Navi | along with pygtk | 20:44 |
| Tak | glade is fantastic | 20:44 |
| Veggen | hrmf. | 20:44 |
| Navi | I have VB flashbacks. | 20:44 |
| Veggen | got openvpn to work, but seems that the things I wanted to use it for doesn't want to use the tunnel. | 20:45 |
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| Tak | I don't see any reason to write 2000 lines of code just to layout a GUI | 20:46 |
| Tak | now python, otoh, I'll agree with you about ;-) | 20:46 |
| Navi | gah | 20:46 |
| Navi | ui.c:25:35: hildon/hildon-program.h: No such file or directory <- weak | 20:47 |
| ulises | apple2: hey | 20:48 |
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| Navi | What package is that package in, and is that the right location? | 20:49 |
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| Navi | s/package in/header in/ | 20:49 |
| infobot | Navi meant: What package is that header in, and is that the right location? | 20:49 |
| ki | So let's get a party going (let's get a party going) | 20:49 |
| ki | Now it's time to party and we'll party hard (party hard) | 20:50 |
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| * Tak sighs | 20:54 | |
| Tak | Navi: pkg-config --cflags hildon-1 | 20:55 |
| Navi | :P | 20:55 |
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| ki | So let's get a party going (let's get a party going) | 21:06 |
| ki | Now it's time to party and we'll party hard (party hard) | 21:06 |
| ki | (yuaaaaaaaaaa!!!) | 21:07 |
| ki | soulja boy tell em | 21:07 |
| ki | ayy i got this new dance fo yall called tha Soulja Boy | 21:07 |
| Navi | ... | 21:07 |
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| Tak | we can haz ops? | 21:12 |
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| Navi | I wish... | 21:12 |
| ki | yeah ops plz | 21:13 |
| ki | i'll post more soulja boy | 21:13 |
| Navi | -_- | 21:14 |
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| ki | is that a no? | 21:21 |
| ki | whast maemo btw? | 21:21 |
| Navi | maemo is a porn site dedicated to open porn. | 21:22 |
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| ki | nice | 21:22 |
| ki | u guys liek scat? | 21:22 |
| wwp | hm strange. I have a gtk_tree_view (editable) that is not editable when running in maemo | 21:23 |
| wwp | I can set/get text programmatically, set focus and select text, but no way to edit | 21:23 |
| jku__ | treeview is "different" in several ways, IIRC | 21:24 |
| wwp | oh. | 21:24 |
| wwp | sorry! | 21:24 |
| wwp | gtk_text_view | 21:24 |
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| Veggen | urf. | 21:25 |
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| Veggen | why oh why does the rtcomm/voip stuff use the wireless interface ip address (or the connection ip address, I guess) when sending on the network? the network stack should be able to handle it quite nicely in itself. | 21:27 |
| Veggen | Can't see any other explanation for what I see, than that's what it does. | 21:27 |
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| ki | dc | 21:32 |
| elb | I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who uses bc/dc | 21:33 |
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| lcdd | how much memory should maemo-mapper need? i'm having hard time using it because its virtual size exceeds 100MB after some panning and zooming | 21:34 |
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| nelson | Is there a full-screen clock / timer? | 21:45 |
| nelson | I'd kinda think that the clock ought to have that built-in, but apparently not. | 21:46 |
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| ki | hi | 21:51 |
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| ulises | johnx: hey | 22:00 |
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| konttori | Hey! Anyone interested in a kick ass theme? | 22:51 |
| * konttori needs some sanity testing before launching the theme | 22:51 | |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3419/NuvoPearl-1.2_all.deb | 22:51 |
| konttori | Also, theme maker is now fully working and would appreciate any testers for that as well. | 22:52 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3418/ThemeMaker1.1.2.zip | 22:52 |
| konttori | But please, if anyone is interested in a nice theme, that nuvopearl is actually much nicer than its previour incarnations! | 22:52 |
| pupnik_ | will do | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Truth be told, OS2008 is the only ITOS release where I've been happy with the bundled themes. | 22:53 |
| felipec | konttori: screenshots? | 22:54 |
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| konttori | A sec. | 22:56 |
| konttori | well, a few secs. Will have to install the load applet | 22:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | x11vnc! | 22:58 |
| lcuk_2 | pupnik_, or anyone working on graphics, do you know if its possible to change from sending 800*480 data into lower 400*240 in the next frame? - i have an idea i'm thinking about | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks pretty good, couple things seems to be off by a pixel or two here and there. | 22:58 |
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| pupnik_ | lcuk_2: i don't understand the question. Do you refer to Xsp pixel doubling? | 22:59 |
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| lcuk_2 | yes, if i had memory space for a 840*480 surface and was using that, then at a specified trigger i half the resolution and continue rendering at that using pixel doubling would it be a smooth transition - 1 frame hires, next frame low res. or would it be a judder screen change | 23:01 |
| konttori | Ahh... screenshots now taken. | 23:01 |
| konttori | hmm... blog or garage??? Garage for now. | 23:03 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3420/screenshot01.png | 23:05 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3421/screenshot02.png | 23:05 |
| konttori | There you go! | 23:05 |
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| konttori | GeneralAntilles: I have to agree with you in there. The default themes (well, one of them) were pretty good. | 23:05 |
| Veggen | wee. made it. phone calls with sip over an openvpn tunnel to my home network where my connected asterisk is... | 23:05 |
| elb | I use whatever the simplest theme is | 23:06 |
| elb | I'd like an even simpler theme | 23:06 |
| konttori | But, with theme maker, it is now relatively easy to make whatever makes you tick. | 23:06 |
| elb | Felicia | 23:06 |
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| konttori | lemme see... | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should put together a monochrome theme. | 23:07 |
| * konttori cannot remember all the themes. Oh that one. I liked the default theme more. | 23:07 | |
| MangoFusion | my thoughts exactly | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Echo > Felicia. | 23:07 |
| MangoFusion | who needs color anyway? | 23:07 |
| * elb looks for Echo | 23:07 | |
| elb | oh, the default theme? | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Felicia's got those weird rounded buttons. | 23:08 |
| elb | it was too ... swoopy for me | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Glasser would be OK if it weren't for the orange. | 23:08 |
| elb | many Applications really aren't happy with the black backgrounds, though | 23:08 |
| konttori | Hey... Damn. this is going to the wrong direction ;) Someone, please, have a few min test go with the nuvopearl there! | 23:08 |
| konttori | dammit! ;) | 23:09 |
| elb | hmmm switching to Echo didn't work, that's interesting | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Give it a second? | 23:09 |
| elb | I did? | 23:09 |
| elb | 1 minute or more? | 23:09 |
| lcuk_2 | switch around them - do others change? | 23:10 |
| elb | but the desktop and everything on it is just completely black? | 23:10 |
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| lcuk_2 | or is it just echo | 23:10 |
| elb | maybe this is normal, the apps seem to be OK | 23:10 |
| Veggen | a3 | 23:10 |
| elb | the "title bar" on the desktop is just ... blank | 23:10 |
| elb | I like the icon selection on the left better in Echo than Felicia | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori, edge on the statusbar at desktop needs smoother blending, border on the application menu needs to be nudged a pixel to the left, there's an artifact on the bottom right of the browser icon, the gutter around the minimize/close buttons and the bottom right of the application toolbar clashes with the gutter on scrollbar. | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think that's about it. :D | 23:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | elb, should look like the shots here: legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html | 23:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Also, konttori, I'd argue for inverting the gradient on the taskbar. | 23:14 |
| konttori | GA: yeah. I'm quite aware of you you are saying. thanks! | 23:14 |
| elb | GeneralAntilles: yeah, that's it ... I guess last time I saw Echo, I just didn't have a completely black background | 23:15 |
| konttori | GA: I wanted to make at least one theme that doesn't have black shaded taskbar | 23:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 23:15 |
| konttori | Just for demonstration purposes on how they work | 23:15 |
| konttori | and for testing the theme maker | 23:15 |
| konttori | anyway, I'll make a completely inverse theme as well that I'll try to test out the 'full black' mode. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | A transparency-less theme might be worthwhile, too. | 23:16 |
| konttori | (as in white text on black for everything) | 23:16 |
| konttori | GA: yeah, OTOH, that would not be interesting for demonstration purposes | 23:16 |
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| konttori | But, I might make one of those as well. Now, I'd just like to get some of those people interested in making themes to take the TM for a ride. | 23:17 |
| boolean | question: where does one get the windows ( yah, yah I know ) flasher? the maemo.org site links dont work | 23:17 |
| konttori | GA: did you find the fonts too small on that theme? | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe . . . my patience runs out putting together a statusbar applet icon. Might take a swing at that monochrome theme, though. . . . | 23:18 |
| konttori | mono theme is easy to make. Taka any ready theme template and turn down the knob ;) | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully a little more hand-tweaked than that. :P | 23:18 |
| konttori | Yeah! (just kidding earlier) | 23:19 |
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| Veggen | heh. echo like hell: For test, I did a sip call from my n810 connected via my cell phone, over openvpn to my home asterisk and then out via my ip-telephony provider to PSTN and my fixed ISDN phone. | 23:21 |
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| konttori | thanks GA. Now I need to go to bed. Good night all! | 23:23 |
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| maddler | Veggen: damn geek! ;) | 23:33 |
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| Veggen | maddler: btw, I needed to do some gconf hacking to get the telepathy sip to send out on my openvpn connection instead of my wlan interface. | 23:34 |
| Veggen | or so I think. maybe it was the full reboot I did afterwards, that did it. hmf. | 23:34 |
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| Veggen | (gotta test that) | 23:36 |
| icebattle | has anyone had any luck with gcj on maemo? | 23:36 |
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| Veggen | no, it's definitely the gconftool-hack. Was a setting that the connection manager wizard didn't expose. | 23:42 |
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| maddler | :) | 23:43 |
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| Veggen | but the best part is that it's connection specific setting, so that you can set it differently for different accounts. | 23:45 |
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| maddler | Veggen: sounds pretty nice... :) | 23:49 |
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| Veggen | (hmm. I think perhaps I need to start blogging again) | 23:54 |
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