| Tobotras | jku: can you please diff over env's? | 00:00 |
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| jku | Tobotras, actually the ssh error must be because I was root | 00:00 |
| Tobotras | jku: can you please try as user? | 00:00 |
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| jku | Tobotras, works fine. So notap works whatever I do :) | 00:02 |
| Tobotras | jku: thanks! | 00:02 |
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| pupnik_ | blafasel: why did your brother create mp4 files and not ogg or mp3? | 00:02 |
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| lcdd | mp4s? pfft. even oggs don't work on the tablet | 00:08 |
| __marker | lcdd> work on mine.. | 00:09 |
| pupnik_ | Is it correct that apple pushes 'mp4' because they cripple or can't play common open or open formats? | 00:10 |
| lcdd | __marker: haven't been able to play ogg files. streams are fine but the decoding seems to use a lot of power so i don't bother | 00:15 |
| __marker | lcdd> thats the drawback of ogg.. cpu needed.. | 00:16 |
| GAN800 | mp4 > ogg in support and > mp3 in quality. | 00:16 |
| MangoFusion | forget ogg's and mp3's | 00:16 |
| MangoFusion | wav is where it's at! | 00:16 |
| Navi | flac > wav | 00:17 |
| |tbb| | which mplayer rls supports a2dp support at best level for tablet | 00:18 |
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| johnx | |tbb|, the one that rm_you posted in the a2dp thread on itt | 00:19 |
| __marker | mp4 or aac? :) | 00:20 |
| __marker | l thought mp4 is a cointainer | 00:21 |
| GAN800 | aac | 00:21 |
| pupnik_ | so disable lame mp3's lopass filter with -k and run your comparison again | 00:21 |
| Navi | mp4 is a container | 00:21 |
| Navi | but he's probably refering to the mp4 iso standard. | 00:22 |
| |tbb| | ah k | 00:22 |
| pupnik_ | lame --preset extreme -k -V0 -q0 $file $outname | 00:23 |
| __marker | hum libtool segfaults under scratchy. :( damned | 00:30 |
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| __marker | anybody ever had ldd segfaults in scratchbox? and how to solve? | 00:35 |
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| |tbb| | johnx: it wont work after i followed the instructions which on itt | 00:48 |
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| braddbr | hi.. i am looking for a second charger for my n800.. will a usb-based charger provide the same mA output as a wall charger, or will the usb charger take longer to charge? | 00:54 |
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| lcuk_3 | usb gives 500ma max - im not sure what the wall charger gives, but the plug itself should tell you | 00:57 |
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| braddbr | ok.. i think i saw 800mA on the ac adapter | 00:58 |
| lcuk_3 | from what i understand it does take longer | 00:58 |
| lcuk_3 | i wonder what would happen if you tried charging 800->800 ;) | 00:58 |
| lcuk_3 | the USB OTG gives 100ma, i wonder if it will manage to transfer | 00:59 |
| lcuk_3 | i think i need a usb charger for my 810 - the plug charger is next to bed but just too far away | 00:59 |
| braddbr | dunno.. if you know of any specific store in us (or canada) that sells adaptors n accepts paypal, plz let me know.. else i will order form ebay | 00:59 |
| braddbr | :( | 00:59 |
| braddbr | maybe it will charge faster if you use a powered usb hub :) | 01:00 |
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| lcuk_3 | do you have a walmart type superstore around - cos over here in england we can get things like that | 01:00 |
| braddbr | oh.. yeah, we have wal-mart | 01:00 |
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| lcuk_3 | USB itself is limited to 500ma, a powered hub just saves the computer from giving out upto 500ma per device | 01:00 |
| braddbr | maybe i will try there then.. | 01:00 |
| braddbr | oh.. good to know about the usb output | 01:01 |
| lcuk_3 | head for the phone section rather than the computer area | 01:02 |
| braddbr | ok.. i tried a nokia parts dealer here in town, but he wanted $20 before taxes | 01:02 |
| braddbr | :( | 01:02 |
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| lcuk_3 | i saw a whole adapter pack which basically covered every kind of phone power from usb for under £10 here | 01:03 |
| braddbr | good deal.. i will try mal-mart on tues (since monday is family day.. funny holiday) | 01:04 |
| lcuk_3 | probably made by Mokia or Somy or something | 01:04 |
| lcuk_3 | family day is good as long as you spend it with them | 01:04 |
| lcuk_3 | (do you get a day off work? or is this just a made up holiday | 01:04 |
| braddbr | yeah.. they needed a holiday in feb since the closest ones are so far away.. its a real holiday.. banks closed, etc | 01:05 |
| * lcuk_3 is willing to join multiple religions just to get a variety of holidays | 01:05 | |
| lcuk_3 | which country r u in? | 01:05 |
| braddbr | canada | 01:05 |
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| lcuk_3 | cool. my kids just had schoool holidays last week - it was nice but i didnt get time off work, i got to play football with youngest at dinner time in work :) | 01:06 |
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| tigrux | Hello. | 01:07 |
| braddbr | cool.. i take it you are in england? | 01:07 |
| * lcuk_3 engage formal mode | 01:07 | |
| lcuk_3 | hello tigrux. | 01:07 |
| tigrux | Hi. | 01:07 |
| lcuk_3 | yes | 01:07 |
| tigrux | Guys, I have an almost complete version of my youtube viewer. | 01:08 |
| * lcuk_3 has a common english cold | 01:08 | |
| tigrux | Does anyone want to test it? | 01:08 |
| lcuk_3 | tig? is it an addin to webbrowser, or an offline version | 01:08 |
| tigrux | I have debs. | 01:09 |
| |tbb| | tigrux: post an url | 01:09 |
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| lcuk_3 | my n810 counterpart will test it if you like | 01:09 |
| |tbb| | will try it tomorrow | 01:09 |
| lcuk | i will test now | 01:10 |
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| pupnik | anybody ok OS2007 here who can test dosbox .deb ? | 01:10 |
| pupnik | s/ok/with/ | 01:10 |
| infobot | pupnik meant: anybody with OS2007 here who can test dosbox .deb ? | 01:10 |
| lcuk_3 | how well does it work so far pup? | 01:12 |
| lcuk_3 | ie, can i run vista on it yet? | 01:13 |
| tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/yt-viewer-for-tablet/ | 01:13 |
| lcuk_3 | tigrux, what do i have to do to actually view a video | 01:13 |
| tigrux | lcuk_3: Istall the dependencies. | 01:14 |
| tigrux | lcuk_3:Then perform a search. | 01:14 |
| tigrux | lcuk_3:Then, click in the thumbnail. | 01:14 |
| lcuk_3 | streamer is another media player isnt it | 01:14 |
| lcuk_3 | g^ | 01:14 |
| pupnik | lcuk_3: it's as optimized as it's going to get. no human being can release a faster dosbox for N8x0 than I have. | 01:14 |
| tigrux | lcuk_3: No, gst is a media framework. | 01:15 |
| pupnik | (trolling for developers) | 01:15 |
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| lcuk_3 | pupnik :D i never doubted that coming from yourself | 01:15 |
| * lcuk_3 waits for the cyborgs to announce their presence to the Earth just to release a faster dosbox | 01:16 | |
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| lcuk_3 | and you shall have them once i am there. ive put too much time into this blasted box to give up now :) | 01:16 |
| pupnik | :) | 01:18 |
| lcuk_3 | pup, you might know something. when grabbing random source code for porting i am not sure of which libraries to include in the make file, is there anywhere i can get a full export list for each library | 01:18 |
| lcuk_3 | so i can do a quick lookup if i have errors | 01:18 |
| tigrux | Here are screenshots of my youtube viewer. | 01:18 |
| tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/yt-viewer-for-tablet/screenshot-details.png | 01:18 |
| tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/yt-viewer-for-tablet/screenshot-searching.png | 01:19 |
| tigrux | It also works in an ubuntu desktop. | 01:19 |
| lcuk_3 | case in point: i added SDL_Image function calls but didnt update makefile. it failed and it took a while for me to discover which library contained the calls i had used | 01:19 |
| tigrux | Because the code take care of the differences between a gnome system and maemo. | 01:19 |
| pupnik | offhand i don't know | 01:19 |
| pupnik | tigrux: does it use mplayer? | 01:20 |
| lcuk_3 | tigrux, have you seen m.youtube.com ? its the mobile interface to proper youtube, and it works really nicely along the way apart from when it opens the video in mediaplayer the codec isnt right | 01:20 |
| tigrux | pupnik: No, gstreamer. | 01:21 |
| tigrux | lcuk_3: Mine is a desktop application. | 01:21 |
| tigrux | lcuk_3:A mean, it's a gtk application. | 01:21 |
| lcuk_3 | yes i know - with a large footprint (17mb) over this slow link tonight it will take hours | 01:22 |
| pupnik | Looks neat. What is advantage of youtube viewer over viewing in browser? | 01:22 |
| lcuk_3 | sorry, not 17mb | 01:22 |
| lcuk_3 | 2mb | 01:22 |
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| lcuk_3 | i might do then | 01:22 |
| tigrux | pupnik: In the tablet, the plash mozilla plugin sucks. | 01:22 |
| tigrux | * flash | 01:23 |
| lcuk_3 | try the m.youtube.com version - it opens the movies direct in media player | 01:23 |
| pupnik | is gstreamer playback smoother? | 01:23 |
| lcuk_3 | lthe problem comes with the codec | 01:23 |
| pupnik | i trying that | 01:23 |
| tigrux | pupnik: For some videos, yes. | 01:23 |
| tigrux | Audio is always good, video is sometimes bad. | 01:24 |
| tigrux | pupnik: By looking at the screenshots, you will immediately realize the advantages of using a dedicated application. | 01:25 |
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| tigrux | pupnik: For example, in m.youtube.com the screenshots are too small for the screen of the tablet. | 01:26 |
| tigrux | pupnik: I could not open 3gp videos in media player. | 01:27 |
| tigrux | pupnik, lcuk_3 : Dod you install my application? Do you have feedback? | 01:27 |
| lcuk_3 | yes i have feedback "unable to install [top one of 3]: incompatible package" | 01:28 |
| lcuk_3 | it closed my browser window as well when i clicked ok to this so i have lost which one it was | 01:28 |
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| lcuk_3 | actually, it was the smaller 49k one | 01:28 |
| lcuk_3 | [ ]gstreamer0.10-flv_0.10.5.1-os2008_armel.deb | 01:28 |
| lcuk_3 | god my memory is shot to hell | 01:29 |
| lcuk_3 | 15k | 01:29 |
| tigrux | lcuk_3: Use dpkg -i | 01:29 |
| lcuk_3 | huh? i havent needed to for anything else, whats the difference | 01:29 |
| pupnik | it probably needs a Section: user/whatever | 01:30 |
| tigrux | pupnik: Let me see in mine. | 01:30 |
| pupnik | installs ok with dpkg -i - do i need both gstreamer plugins? | 01:30 |
| tigrux | pupnik: I guess so. | 01:31 |
| tigrux | The yt-viewer has Priority: user/Apps | 01:31 |
| tigrux | No idea what should I use. | 01:31 |
| pupnik | Section: | 01:31 |
| tigrux | Section: extra | 01:32 |
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| pupnik | tigrux see this page, go down to sections | 01:32 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_making_an_application_package_bora.html | 01:32 |
| pupnik | same applies to chinook... choose a builtin section | 01:33 |
| pupnik | subsection | 01:33 |
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| tigrux | pupnik: Thanks. | 01:33 |
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| pupnik | testing as soon as i download the gstreamer plugins | 01:34 |
| pupnik | installed both gstreamer packages. | 01:36 |
| pupnik | yt-viewer | 01:36 |
| pupnik | Traceback (most recent call last): | 01:36 |
| pupnik | File "/usr/bin/yt-viewer", line 4, in <module> | 01:36 |
| lcuk_3 | ok i have all 3 downloaded, do i just run "dpkg -i [filename]" on each of them | 01:36 |
| __marker | tigrux I get an indentation err at line 138 ytwindow | 01:36 |
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| tigrux | ???? | 01:37 |
| tigrux | Grr.... | 01:37 |
| pupnik | from yt import ytwindow | 01:37 |
| pupnik | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yt/ytwindow.py", line 138 | 01:37 |
| pupnik | message_box(msg, title="About", parent=self, stock_id=self.icon_file) | 01:37 |
| lcuk_3 | icon not installed or located? | 01:37 |
| * lcuk_3 prepares to redownload | 01:38 | |
| tigrux | Let me see. | 01:38 |
| lcuk_3 | if i do install via dpkg will it be listed for removal? | 01:38 |
| lcuk_3 | in the normal app manager | 01:39 |
| __marker | yes | 01:39 |
| tigrux | Yea, i change I wrote at the final moment, easy to fix. | 01:39 |
| tigrux | Let me fix it. | 01:39 |
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| tigrux | __marker lcuk_3 pupnik: redownload please | 01:42 |
| tigrux | Only the yt-viewer. | 01:43 |
| EruditeH1rmit | hey I get Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 82. | 01:44 |
| __marker | same error | 01:44 |
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| EruditeH1rmit | when trying to build a package | 01:44 |
| EruditeH1rmit | in scratchbox | 01:44 |
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| tigrux | __marker: ????? | 01:45 |
| tigrux | __marker: Let me check again. | 01:45 |
| __marker | tigrux or there is a proxy caching my wget.. | 01:45 |
| tigrux | __marker: I built it again and copied. | 01:46 |
| tigrux | __marker: And I fixed the error, I checked. | 01:46 |
| __marker | oops | 01:48 |
| pupnik | i have two versions now | 01:49 |
| pupnik | 53348 Feb 17 2008 yt-viewer_0.1-1_all.deb | 01:49 |
| pupnik | 56606 Feb 17 2008 yt-viewer_0.1-1_all.deb | 01:49 |
| __marker | tigrux importerror no module named gtk | 01:49 |
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| tigrux | __marker: It requires python2.5-runtime. | 01:50 |
| pupnik | i have no module named gst | 01:50 |
| tigrux | pupnik: Same answer. | 01:50 |
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| __marker | tigrux yeah then put it as a dependency! ;) | 01:50 |
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| tigrux | __marker: Yep, that's exactly what I was seeking: feedback. | 01:51 |
| lcuk_3 | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yt/ytwindow.py", line 30, in <module> | 01:51 |
| lcuk_3 | from ytdisplay import OssoDisplay | 01:51 |
| tigrux | lcuk_3: What is the error? | 01:51 |
| lcuk_3 | pupnik, this is the kind of reason why i want a list of exports ;) | 01:51 |
| pupnik | i have python2.5 | 01:52 |
| lcuk_3 | shows this: | 01:52 |
| lcuk_3 | File "/usr/bin/yt-viewer", line 4, in <module> | 01:52 |
| lcuk_3 | from yt import ytwindow | 01:52 |
| lcuk_3 | then it shows the line i pasted originally | 01:52 |
| tigrux | lcuk_3: Redownload again. | 01:52 |
| lcuk_3 | uninstall first? | 01:53 |
| __marker | tigrux: it starts | 01:53 |
| tigrux | __marker: Aha? | 01:53 |
| pupnik | EruditeH1rmit: unanswerable question | 01:53 |
| lcuk_3 | ImportError: No module named gnome.gconf | 01:53 |
| tigrux | lcuk_3: Do you have python2.5-runtime? | 01:54 |
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| lcuk_3 | i thought my 810 was upto date with all that, i instlaled it all when i first got it lemme check | 01:54 |
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| lcuk_3 | yes | 01:55 |
| lcuk_3 | how do i force the package manager to check if its out of date | 01:56 |
| __marker | tigrux: it works. it's slow but maybe its also my network. | 01:56 |
| EruditeH1rmit | pupnik: I think I know what happened, I think my scratchbox needs a reinstall | 01:56 |
| tigrux | __marker: Video are usually slow, it's because the decoder I guess. | 01:57 |
| tigrux | __marker: Section: user/multimedia Multimedia <---- Is it correct? | 01:57 |
| * lcuk_3 wasnt aware youtube offered anything that wasnt video | 01:57 | |
| tigrux | lcuk_3: At least the audio part plays nice. :$ | 01:58 |
| lcuk_3 | i never noticed it skipping tbh | 01:59 |
| __marker | tigrux: looks like its more the net. yes for the section | 01:59 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to reduce the quality of the videos to get smooth videos, or force the cpu to 400mhz | 02:00 |
| __marker | lcuk_3 if you have fuxored your python then uninstall, reinstall | 02:01 |
| lcuk_3 | transcoding would be a mare to do on the fly - i think the best chance of real smoothness will be to get a codec for the m.youtube front end | 02:01 |
| lcuk_3 | they already supply the videos in mobile video format so we dont need transcoding | 02:01 |
| __marker | tigrux: hum Section: user/multimedia | 02:02 |
| lcuk_3 | noooooo not uninstalling python - EVERYTHING until this point works perfectly | 02:02 |
| __marker | nothing more | 02:02 |
| lcuk_3 | its only this app that i have (a) had problems with, (b) had to do something different to get it installed. | 02:02 |
| * lcuk_3 doesnt like to rock his system | 02:02 | |
| __marker | lcuk_3 ok then apt-get --reinstall python2.5-runtime | 02:02 |
| __marker | s/py/install py/ | 02:03 |
| infobot | __marker meant: lcuk_3 ok then apt-get --reinstall install python2.5-runtime | 02:03 |
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| elb | is there a way to keep the shift/fn/etc. bar from popping up in osso-xterm when I use the 810 keyboard? | 02:04 |
| * lcuk_3 reboots his 810 first | 02:05 | |
| lcuk_3 | elb, mine only comes up when i press the Chr button now | 02:05 |
| lcuk_3 | i unticked everything i could from the auto text and onscreen keyboard | 02:05 |
| elb | how did you make that happen? | 02:06 |
| elb | oh, but not just for xterm | 02:06 |
| lcuk_3 | inside text input settings make sure you go through to language and change settings in there and remove word predition | 02:06 |
| |tbb| | am i right, the cpu scale itself to more or less power while playing videos? | 02:06 |
| elb | osso-xterm doesn't WINCH when the keyboard bar pops up | 02:06 |
| elb | or I'd leave it on | 02:07 |
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| __marker | |tbb| it should if it uses a ondemand predictor. i hope it does! | 02:08 |
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| tigrux | __marker: Is this correct? | 02:08 |
| tigrux | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, python2.5-runtime, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, gstreamer0.10-flv | 02:08 |
| __marker | tigrux: looks like yes | 02:09 |
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| elb | hmm this might be the answer foe now | 02:11 |
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| __marker | tigrux: but you will need a repo | 02:15 |
| tigrux | __marker: ???? | 02:15 |
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| __marker | repository so that your 2 depends are fetched automagically | 02:15 |
| lcuk_3 | if you have a repo it can be installed and updated from the app manager without people having to directly download deb files | 02:16 |
| tigrux | Ohh... | 02:16 |
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| |tbb| | gud nite all. | 02:16 |
| tigrux | Grr... my debian control file is now a mess. :'( | 02:16 |
| johnx | 'night |tbb| | 02:17 |
| lcuk_3 | you place a .install file on your server, that configures install manager with the repo details and starts installing pacakages. from then on its entirely a gui thing. very quick and simple for the user and it ensures they are kept upto date -> update repo = update all users who want them | 02:17 |
| tigrux | Yes, but fir I need to have my packages, | 02:18 |
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| __marker | cu | 02:23 |
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| putterson | In the maemo sdk, in scratchbox I cannot install anything with apt-get and the internet connection is working. | 02:27 |
| putterson | I get this error "Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'" | 02:27 |
| putterson | but nslookup to repository.maemo.org works...can anybody help? | 02:28 |
| johnx | from inside scratchbox look at /etc/nsswitch.conf | 02:28 |
| putterson | ok | 02:28 |
| putterson | so I have to set something to dns instead of files? | 02:29 |
| johnx | what does the line say? | 02:29 |
| putterson | the line? | 02:30 |
| johnx | sorry | 02:30 |
| johnx | the hosts: line | 02:30 |
| putterson | "files dns" | 02:30 |
| johnx | hmm...that should be right | 02:30 |
| putterson | one is commented out | 02:30 |
| putterson | #hosts: db files nisplus nis dns | 02:30 |
| putterson | and the other is without the hash | 02:31 |
| johnx | ok, that's right | 02:31 |
| putterson | maybe change the order? | 02:31 |
| johnx | hosts: files dns | 02:31 |
| putterson | thats what it is at right now | 02:31 |
| johnx | right, that's correct | 02:31 |
| johnx | maybe something else... | 02:32 |
| putterson | hmm wget doesn't resolve either | 02:32 |
| johnx | you can ping out but apt-get doesn't work? | 02:32 |
| putterson | but the host system can resolve sites | 02:32 |
| putterson | there is no ping in scratchbox | 02:32 |
| putterson | lol | 02:32 |
| johnx | ah | 02:32 |
| putterson | yeah | 02:32 |
| johnx | sorry, been a while since I've been in scratchbox | 02:32 |
| putterson | I am trying wget in scratchbox and it doesn't work either | 02:33 |
| putterson | cant resolve the host | 02:33 |
| putterson | no nslookup in scratchbox | 02:34 |
| johnx | maybe someone else has a better idea, but my initial thought is to: find /scratchbox -name nsswitch.conf | grep 'hosts:' and make sure they're all correct and say "hosts: files dns" | 02:34 |
| putterson | ip's work | 02:35 |
| johnx | sorry, mistyped that command | 02:35 |
| johnx | but you get the idea | 02:35 |
| putterson | I just used wget to download index.html from my webserver | 02:35 |
| putterson | the file is correct though | 02:37 |
| putterson | there is something else | 02:37 |
| pupnik | on the local net? | 02:37 |
| putterson | yeah on a lan | 02:37 |
| putterson | using an ip | 02:37 |
| putterson | I will try wan | 02:37 |
| putterson | wan works too with an ip address | 02:38 |
| pupnik | ok so your routing is ok | 02:38 |
| putterson | as well the host system can look up hosts | 02:38 |
| putterson | only within scratchbox it cant | 02:39 |
| johnx | find /scratchbox/ -name nsswitch.conf | xargs grep 'hosts:' | less | 02:39 |
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| johnx | give that a shot | 02:39 |
| johnx | all hosts lines should say "hosts: files dns" | 02:39 |
| putterson | in scratchbox or on the host system | 02:39 |
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| johnx | on the host system | 02:40 |
| putterson | k | 02:40 |
| johnx | replace '/scratchbox/' with the location you installed scratchbox to | 02:40 |
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| putterson | oh | 02:41 |
| putterson | it came as a virtual machine | 02:41 |
| johnx | aaaah | 02:41 |
| putterson | lemme find out where it is installed | 02:41 |
| johnx | alright | 02:41 |
| johnx | you have the vmware image? | 02:41 |
| putterson | yep | 02:41 |
| putterson | it is /scratchbox/ | 02:42 |
| putterson | lucky me | 02:42 |
| johnx | so you *can* resolve DNS from the host OS *and* from inside vmware, but not inside scratchbox? | 02:42 |
| lcuk_3 | have you considered that the site you are trying to connect is just temporarily broken | 02:43 |
| putterson | already browsed to it | 02:43 |
| tigrux | Can anyone help me package a gstreamer plugin? | 02:43 |
| putterson | johnx, yes, yes, yes | 02:43 |
| tigrux | I'm always getting invalid package when installing with the package manager. | 02:43 |
| johnx | and anything named nsswitch.conf looks ok? | 02:44 |
| putterson | yep | 02:44 |
| johnx | from inside scratchbox, check /etc/resolv.conf | 02:45 |
| lcuk_3 | putterson, gimme the exact line you are trying to get installed, i use the vmware pacakage and everything on mine seems smooth but ive never had to install anything else into it (up until now) | 02:45 |
| johnx | lcuk_3, even wget fails for him | 02:45 |
| putterson | hmmm | 02:46 |
| putterson | nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 02:46 |
| putterson | lol | 02:46 |
| putterson | should I put that to my gateway? | 02:46 |
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| johnx | is your gateway your DNS? | 02:46 |
| putterson | yes | 02:46 |
| johnx | worth a shot I guess | 02:46 |
| pupnik | Section: user/other should work tigrux | 02:46 |
| tigrux | pupnik: In the section of the plugin? | 02:47 |
| lcuk_3 | right, wget fails resolving on mine but everything else is smooth - at least we know now its a default install problem and not something putterson has broken... | 02:47 |
| pupnik | in debian/control | 02:47 |
| putterson | oh everything launches | 02:47 |
| pupnik | or in control.tar.gz in the actual archive | 02:47 |
| putterson | like I get the gui etc | 02:47 |
| pupnik | or user/multimedia | 02:48 |
| tigrux | Ok. | 02:48 |
| pupnik | i don't knwo what section a lib*** should have offhand | 02:48 |
| putterson | I changed resolv.conf to point to 192.168.15.1 (my gateway + dns) and restarted scratchbox...nothing | 02:52 |
| johnx | i mean it *really* should work out of the box... | 02:52 |
| johnx | but like lcuk_3 said, maybe wget failing and apt-get failing are actually not associated | 02:53 |
| lcuk_3 | i'd actually think they are - its name resolution that appears to be the problem | 02:53 |
| putterson | well wget fails only when resolving a hostname...with an ip its ok | 02:53 |
| lcuk_3 | what can i run to show current dns config (equiv to ipconfig on windows? | 02:54 |
| johnx | right, but because of the way scratchbox works wget and apt-get might actually look at different resolv.conf files... | 02:54 |
| putterson | try ifconfig | 02:54 |
| johnx | lcuk_3, well, usually you would 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' | 02:54 |
| johnx | ifconfig doesn't show dns servers... | 02:55 |
| lcuk_3 | i just did ifconfig but got no dns info | 02:55 |
| putterson | k | 02:55 |
| lcuk_3 | is there an /all equiv? | 02:55 |
| putterson | dont know | 02:55 |
| * putterson is a linux noob | 02:55 | |
| johnx | lcuk_3, nope. ifconfig just doesn't know about DNS | 02:55 |
| lcuk_3 | ipconfig on windows doesnt show dns unless you run it with /all then it shows everything | 02:55 |
| putterson | what command does? | 02:55 |
| putterson | can I map hosts to ip's | 02:57 |
| putterson | ? | 02:57 |
| johnx | putterson, sure, in /etc/hosts | 02:57 |
| johnx | 10.0.0.1 foo.com | 02:57 |
| putterson | thanks | 02:58 |
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| elb | so, I've seen osso-xterm shots with the toolbar on the side of the screen, can that still be done in OS2008? | 03:00 |
| pupnik | i prefer to remove the toolbar and just map keys on the n810 kbd | 03:01 |
| putterson | johnx, well wget now works with repository.maemo.org but apt-get doesn't | 03:02 |
| johnx | look for other files named hosts | 03:02 |
| johnx | basically, because of the way that scratchbox works, different files are run in different filesystem trees so they have different configurations | 03:03 |
| johnx | I really can't tell you much more than that, because I don't understand it all myself :/ | 03:03 |
| putterson | apt-get update | 03:06 |
| putterson | lcuk_3, try apt-get update | 03:07 |
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| putterson | ok figured it out | 03:08 |
| elb | pupnik: and how would I do that? | 03:08 |
| putterson | had to edit /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 03:08 |
| putterson | I was editing /etc/resolv.conf | 03:09 |
| putterson | user error | 03:09 |
| putterson | lol | 03:09 |
| pupnik | elb: can't remember. | 03:09 |
| elb | heh | 03:09 |
| elb | osso-xterm is really prretty painful | 03:10 |
| elb | I really only *need* Esc and ^] | 03:11 |
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| elb | I can get Tab through Chr, and do without the page keys | 03:12 |
| lcuk_3 | i dont do much console on the road | 03:12 |
| elb | my laptop just died ;-) | 03:13 |
| lcuk_3 | i mainly use scp and putty for heavy lifting | 03:13 |
| lcuk_3 | ouch | 03:13 |
| pupnik | elb here tab is fn+space | 03:13 |
| pupnik | and | is the euro sign | 03:13 |
| elb | it's under warranty | 03:13 |
| elb | but still | 03:13 |
| elb | pupnik: hmmm that would be really nice | 03:14 |
| elb | I don't need yen, euro, or pound | 03:14 |
| lcuk_3 | putterson, so what did you edit then, the address of the nameserver? | 03:14 |
| * elb googles | 03:14 | |
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| putterson | lcuk_3, yes, changed it to my dns server | 03:15 |
| putterson | it was 172.12.9.2 or something | 03:15 |
| lcuk_3 | ill try it here | 03:15 |
| lcuk_3 | and its in: /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 03:15 |
| j0tt | elb: you have to edit /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 | 03:15 |
| lcuk_3 | which is currently pointing nameserver to 127.0.0.1 | 03:15 |
| pupnik | elb: found it: http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ | 03:16 |
| j0tt | don't use xmodmap if possible :p | 03:16 |
| pupnik | go down to moa's comment and edit /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 | 03:16 |
| pupnik | right don't use the xmodmap | 03:16 |
| j0tt | if you rebind Chr (<COMP>) to ISO_Level5_Shift you can also use Chr as modifier key... | 03:18 |
| pupnik | sorry about no patch files for exult, j0tt. maybe when the next release is stable. right now the only user problem is pathfinding imo. | 03:18 |
| pupnik | display speed is good now with xsp pixel doubling | 03:18 |
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| j0tt | and wagon drivin :P | 03:18 |
| j0tt | g | 03:19 |
| pupnik | well not the only | 03:19 |
| pupnik | i still don't like the number of times i have to swap mouse | 03:19 |
| elb | pupnik: yeah looking at that now | 03:19 |
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| EruditeHermit | hey, is there a way to make dpkg-buildpackage automatically get build deps as best as it can? | 03:20 |
| johnx | probably not without some kind of script | 03:21 |
| johnx | you know about apt-get build-dep, right? | 03:21 |
| johnx | BTW, sorry I didn't answer your message the other day. I wasn't actually at the computer much this weekend | 03:21 |
| EruditeHermit | oh thats cool | 03:22 |
| EruditeHermit | ah but apt-get bulddep only works if you used apt-get source <package> to install the package in the first place | 03:23 |
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| EruditeHermit | or if the package is in the dpkg database | 03:23 |
| johnx | yes, that's true | 03:23 |
| lcuk_3 | EruditeHermit, you want to produce the dep list which apt-get would be able to look at to show in the build-dep results ;) | 03:23 |
| EruditeHermit | lcuk_3: I didn't understand that | 03:24 |
| EruditeHermit | lol | 03:24 |
| lcuk_3 | i am currently one step above you looking to resolve exports with libraries. maybe do a search for each library in your project and ensure you have the packages | 03:24 |
| EruditeHermit | yeah | 03:24 |
| EruditeHermit | I have a lot of them | 03:25 |
| EruditeHermit | =p | 03:25 |
| EruditeHermit | I am going through one by one | 03:25 |
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| EruditeHermit | I am sure I will run into huge problems somewhere | 03:25 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: so I am working on the openoffice.org thing, do you think I have a chance? | 03:29 |
| EruditeHermit | =p | 03:29 |
| johnx | you can almost certainly get it to run if you spend enough time | 03:30 |
| johnx | someone did for the zaurus which has less RAM | 03:30 |
| johnx | but I can almost guarantee it will be usably fast | 03:30 |
| johnx | s/usably/not usably/g | 03:30 |
| infobot | johnx meant: but I can almost guarantee it will be not usably fast | 03:30 |
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| johnx | it probably won't run without swap, you will never get it hildonized and I doubt it will fit on the screen well, but you can probably make it run | 03:31 |
| johnx | why not help the abiword guys? | 03:32 |
| * pupnik seconds johnx's suggestion | 03:33 | |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: I am testing it | 03:33 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: the thing is abiword doesn't have outlining which I want | 03:33 |
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| johnx | are you wanting to use outlining as part of word processing or part of writing notes for yourself? | 03:36 |
| lcuk_3 | --------------- | 03:36 |
| lcuk_3 | |EruditeHermit| < outlined :D | 03:36 |
| lcuk_3 | --------------- | 03:36 |
| johnx | heh :P | 03:36 |
| EruditeHermit | writing notes for a class | 03:36 |
| johnx | have you looked at notecase? (I think that's it) | 03:37 |
| EruditeHermit | nope | 03:37 |
| EruditeHermit | where is that? | 03:37 |
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| EruditeHermit | is that a maemo app | 03:37 |
| johnx | I think on garage.maemo.org | 03:37 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: does it support odf or can it be converted easily to odf? | 03:38 |
| johnx | I do not know | 03:38 |
| johnx | notcase.sf.net | 03:38 |
| EruditeHermit | yeah I found it | 03:38 |
| EruditeHermit | hmm | 03:38 |
| EruditeHermit | I wonder why no one has ported gimp | 03:39 |
| johnx | as in hildonized it? or just compiled it? | 03:39 |
| EruditeHermit | compiled it | 03:39 |
| johnx | it would be a lot of effort to hildonize I think | 03:39 |
| EruditeHermit | it doesn't need hildonizing for the most part | 03:39 |
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| johnx | hmm? | 03:39 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: what would need to be hildonized for it? | 03:40 |
| EruditeHermit | it doesn't need text writing input | 03:40 |
| johnx | well, it uses separate windows for everything | 03:40 |
| EruditeHermit | ah | 03:40 |
| EruditeHermit | hmm | 03:40 |
| EruditeHermit | lol | 03:40 |
| EruditeHermit | well pidgin does too | 03:40 |
| johnx | I mean I guess it would work | 03:40 |
| lcuk_3 | EruditeHermit, look in screenshots: NoteCase 1.7.4 running on Mamemo OS2008 | 03:41 |
| EruditeHermit | it would be cumbersome I guess | 03:41 |
| EruditeHermit | I am installing notecase as we speak | 03:41 |
| johnx | I really liked hnb on the zaurus, but that is command line only | 03:41 |
| lcuk_3 | if only i had a quick notetaking app to be able to take a note of the notecase website to install tomorrow | 03:42 |
| EruditeHermit | lcuk_3: xournal | 03:42 |
| lcuk_3 | it doesnt help now, my 810 is flat. i need postit notes for my 810 cradle | 03:43 |
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| * lcuk_3 considers scratching it into the wooden frame | 03:44 | |
| johnx | dry erase marker? | 03:45 |
| johnx | :D | 03:45 |
| lcuk_3 | you know, that might work once i varnish it again. i always need little notes | 03:45 |
| johnx | varnish your n810? | 03:46 |
| * johnx is lost now | 03:46 | |
| lcuk_3 | my cradle, the crate: http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7308/810crateinkx8.jpg | 03:47 |
| lcuk_3 | http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8233/810crateanglexe7.jpg | 03:47 |
| lcuk_3 | http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1256/810crateemptyhm3.jpg | 03:47 |
| EruditeHermit | hmm | 03:48 |
| EruditeHermit | notecase doesn't do it | 03:48 |
| EruditeHermit | doesn't cut it | 03:48 |
| johnx | lcuk_3, well, it certainly looks nice...but why? | 03:48 |
| johnx | ah | 03:48 |
| johnx | too slow to make new nodes? | 03:48 |
| EruditeHermit | yes | 03:48 |
| lcuk_3 | i got sick of fumbling on the bed with it and can hold it easier - and when flipped sideways it is perfect height for reading when lay in bed without holding it up | 03:48 |
| EruditeHermit | when I type on my laptop while taking notes its 80wpm | 03:49 |
| lcuk_3 | maemopad+ has text note capability (and hand drawn) | 03:49 |
| EruditeHermit | hmm | 03:49 |
| lcuk_3 | and you can type by default on 810 at that speed can you? | 03:49 |
| EruditeHermit | I just think perhaps the tablet isn't the place to take notes for that kind of thing | 03:49 |
| johnx | yeah, I tried to use notecase on the zaurus but I really wish it had a key shortcut for new node | 03:49 |
| johnx | I can do a compile of hnb if you want to try it | 03:49 |
| EruditeHermit | what is hnb | 03:49 |
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| EruditeHermit | lcuk_3: with abiword, it doesn't lag too much | 03:50 |
| johnx | hierarchical note book | 03:50 |
| EruditeHermit | hmm | 03:50 |
| johnx | http://hnb.sourceforge.net/ | 03:50 |
| putterson | how would I go about turning off "offline mode" in scratchbox | 03:50 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: looks pretty cool | 03:51 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: its funny, I can use openoffice.org using ssh on my maemo but I can't get it full screen | 03:52 |
| tigrux | Guys, I need some help. | 03:54 |
| johnx | EruditeHermit, give this a shot: http://sheeplauncher.net/hnb_1.9.18-3_armel.deb | 03:54 |
| tigrux | I have a repo. | 03:54 |
| tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/yt-viewer-for-tablet/ | 03:54 |
| tigrux | And I added a .install | 03:54 |
| tigrux | In the .htaccess I have: | 03:55 |
| tigrux | $ cat .htaccess | 03:55 |
| tigrux | AddType application/x-install-instructions .install | 03:55 |
| tigrux | And I also have a single page targeting the install. | 03:55 |
| tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/yt-viewer-for-tablet/install.html | 03:55 |
| tigrux | However, it does not work. | 03:56 |
| tigrux | What am I doing wrong? | 03:56 |
| putterson | my browser reports it as text/plain | 03:56 |
| tigrux | putterson: Yes, could it be due to apache? | 03:57 |
| lcdd | you need AllowOverride FileInfo in server config to use htaccess | 03:57 |
| lcuk_3 | i need sleep. tigrux :) hope you get it sorted | 03:57 |
| tigrux | Bye! | 03:57 |
| johnx | 'night lcuk_3 | 03:58 |
| lcdd | probably, iirc, etc. | 03:58 |
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| EruditeHermit | johnx: error opening terminal xterm | 03:58 |
| elb | oh good, it's back to not booting | 03:58 |
| * elb sets some craps on FIRE | 03:58 | |
| putterson | elb, what's not booting? | 03:58 |
| elb | my n810 | 03:59 |
| j0tt | tigrux: btw.. your yt viewer has a white 1px border in fullscreen mode .. it would be nice if you remove it :) | 03:59 |
| tigrux | j0tt: No idea why... | 03:59 |
| johnx | EruditeHermit, run it from inside osso-xterm | 03:59 |
| putterson | elb, is it a prominent problem...I am getting one soon | 03:59 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: I did | 03:59 |
| elb | I'd never had it until last night | 03:59 |
| johnx | hmm | 03:59 |
| johnx | let me test it, I just did a quick compile | 03:59 |
| elb | got up this morning and it was shut off | 04:00 |
| elb | wouldn't boot | 04:00 |
| elb | I re-flashed it, and it was OK, I cold-booted it a couple of times | 04:00 |
| tigrux | Syntax error on line 135 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: | 04:00 |
| tigrux | AllowOverride not allowed here | 04:00 |
| elb | but now I edited the keymap and cold-booted it, and no go | 04:00 |
| elb | maybe I jacked the keymap, I guess | 04:00 |
| putterson | elb, oh is it the power off enigma or something else? | 04:01 |
| tigrux | Ohhh.... | 04:01 |
| elb | it powers on, it just never gets past the white screen with a blue NOKIA | 04:01 |
| tigrux | Only valid in a directory... | 04:01 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: I think somewhere it needs to be modified to run in osso-xterm instead of xterm | 04:01 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: I have to go out for an hour or so, but I'd still be interested in the hnb | 04:01 |
| EruditeHermit | if you can get it to work | 04:01 |
| johnx | I'll look at it | 04:01 |
| EruditeHermit | thanks | 04:01 |
| EruditeHermit | bbl | 04:02 |
| EruditeHermit | thanks for the help guys | 04:02 |
| putterson | elb, oh, have you heard of the power on/off enigma? | 04:02 |
| elb | I saw early on that there were some peole who couldn't get theirs to power up | 04:03 |
| putterson | I hope mine doesn't get it | 04:04 |
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| johnx | EruditeHermit, if you're still here, I tested it and it works fine here | 04:05 |
| tigrux | lcdd: Is this correct? | 04:07 |
| tigrux | <Directory "/tigrux/yt-viewer-for-tablet/"> | 04:07 |
| tigrux | AllowOverride FileInfo | 04:07 |
| tigrux | </Directory> | 04:07 |
| lcdd | tigrux: use a pathname that exists in the filesystem | 04:09 |
| magicrobotmonkey | i cant get ssh on my n810 to use a key when sshing to my desktop bix, even using the i flag | 04:09 |
| johnx | magicrobotmonkey, dropbear or openssh? | 04:10 |
| magicrobotmonkey | openssh | 04:11 |
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| johnx | I'll give it a shot | 04:12 |
| magicrobotmonkey | thanks | 04:12 |
| johnx | just ssh-keygen on the tablet and add the id_rsa.pub to ~/.ssh/authorized-hosts? | 04:13 |
| magicrobotmonkey | not a huge deal, but my passwords are pretty convuluted to be typing on the little keyboard | 04:13 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea | 04:13 |
| johnx | or something more complex that I don't understand :) | 04:13 |
| magicrobotmonkey | nope | 04:13 |
| johnx | ok | 04:13 |
| johnx | other machines can ssh to your desktop with key only? | 04:13 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yep\ | 04:13 |
| johnx | it should be fine but maybe check the permissions on your .ssh on the tablet | 04:14 |
| tigrux | lcdd: I added AddType application/x-install-instructions .install to my global apache configuration. | 04:14 |
| magicrobotmonkey | all user:users | 04:14 |
| tigrux | lcdd: And, from the desktop, firefox reports an INSTALL file. | 04:14 |
| tigrux | lcdd: But, the tablet still opens the plain file. Any idea? | 04:15 |
| j0tt | tigrux: ytviewer.py __init__ -> self.set_show_border(False) | 04:15 |
| johnx | magicrobotmonkey, fails here as well | 04:15 |
| tigrux | j0tt: Thanks. Did you already try in your installation? | 04:16 |
| magicrobotmonkey | heh good, im not crazy | 04:16 |
| j0tt | tigrux: it would also be nice to increase/activate buffering | 04:16 |
| j0tt | tigrux: yes.. | 04:16 |
| lcdd | tigrux: sorry, i have no idea what the tablet expects. try clearing the browser cache? | 04:16 |
| tigrux | j0tt: It buffers, check ytplayer.py | 04:17 |
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| johnx | magicrobotmonkey, oops...actually it worked here afte I fixed a typo | 04:17 |
| tigrux | j0tt: It buffers 10 seconds. | 04:17 |
| goat|work | anyone know where I can report errors with maemo.org? | 04:17 |
| magicrobotmonkey | just ssh -i .. user@box ? | 04:18 |
| johnx | goat|work, bugs.maemo.org maybe? | 04:18 |
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| johnx | magicrobotmonkey, It works without the -i actually | 04:18 |
| j0tt | tigrux: mm but it starts immediately not after 10 seconds?! | 04:19 |
| tigrux | lcdd: You were right! | 04:19 |
| magicrobotmonkey | with ssh-agent, or without | 04:19 |
| johnx | no ssh-agent | 04:19 |
| magicrobotmonkey | maybe i should have left my key's name as the default | 04:19 |
| tigrux | j0tt: So? What are your thought about the application? | 04:20 |
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| j0tt | i like the interface. | 04:20 |
| johnx | magicrobotmonkey, I used defaults for everything | 04:20 |
| j0tt | better than using a browser ;) | 04:21 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | k | 04:22 |
| j0tt | still some videos seem to be very laggy due to buffering i suppose.. | 04:22 |
| magicrobotmonkey | maybe ill give it a go with that | 04:22 |
| magicrobotmonkey | another question, though, whats the equivalent of .bashrc on this? | 04:22 |
| tigrux | j0tt: Check ytplayer.py | 04:22 |
| johnx | well, it seems to pay attention to /etc/profile | 04:22 |
| pupnik | scratchbox/tools/include only has python2.3 though i installed python2.5 | 04:22 |
| johnx | maybe ~/.profile would work as well | 04:22 |
| tigrux | j0tt: The pipeline is at the beginning. | 04:23 |
| j0tt | hmm i cant see any buffering there :) .. how to activate it? | 04:24 |
| tigrux | j0tt: The part that says max whatever. | 04:24 |
| * j0tt pokes the google botnet | 04:25 | |
| j0tt | hmm "Max. amount of data in the queue (in ns, 0=disable)." | 04:26 |
| j0tt | should probably be a "min..." :) | 04:27 |
| magicrobotmonkey | sweet, ~/.profile works, thanks johnx | 04:27 |
| johnx | sure | 04:27 |
| magicrobotmonkey | good to have ll back... | 04:27 |
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| elb | pupnik: do you have to *hold* Fn for space to be Tab? | 04:33 |
| tigrux | Finally! | 04:34 |
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| pupnik | elb, yes | 04:34 |
| elb | hmmm, that's unfortunate | 04:34 |
| tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/yt-viewer-for-tablet/yt-viewer.install | 04:34 |
| tigrux | That's the one-click-installer for my youtube viewer. | 04:35 |
| tigrux | j0tt: I applied your change. | 04:35 |
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| tigrux | The deb should also work in a desktop, since it is pure python. | 04:36 |
| tigrux | Actually, the code detects hildon and osso and use them when possible. | 04:36 |
| tigrux | If now, it falls to safe defaults | 04:36 |
| tigrux | * not | 04:36 |
| magicrobotmonkey | youtube viewer, eh? | 04:37 |
| tigrux | Yes, but I name it yt-viewer to avoid use a registered mark. | 04:38 |
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| tigrux | The source code is included with the package. | 04:38 |
| magicrobotmonkey | does it work with the youtube:// links from youtube mobile? | 04:39 |
| tigrux | magicrobotmonkey: No, it reads the .flv videos associated to every yt video. | 04:40 |
| tigrux | magicrobotmonkey: See the screenshots. | 04:40 |
| tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/yt-viewer-for-tablet/screenshot-searching.png | 04:40 |
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| tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/yt-viewer-for-tablet/screenshot-details.png | 04:40 |
| magicrobotmonkey | whoa | 04:41 |
| magicrobotmonkey | that looks better then youtube mobile | 04:41 |
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| pupnik | i want mplayer plugin for browser plz | 04:42 |
| magicrobotmonkey | if i cant play video off my external card, does that mean i got a crappy one? | 04:43 |
| pupnik | where's timeless | 04:43 |
| * pupnik sics the leather lady with the whip on timeless | 04:43 | |
| pupnik | maybe | 04:43 |
| tigrux | Guys, how can I detect if the network is active programatically? | 04:45 |
| tigrux | Or better than that, where is the .gconf directory of the tablet? | 04:46 |
| pupnik | libiconic | 04:50 |
| pupnik | libconic | 04:50 |
| pupnik | dbus / conic - see the acmonitor sources for example code | 04:50 |
| tigrux | pupnik: I was thiking there could be a nice gconf key to detect the network status. :( | 04:51 |
| tigrux | pupnik: Because my program does not work if no connection is available. | 04:52 |
| tigrux | pupnik: Then I wanted to popup a message like those displayed in hildon. | 04:53 |
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| fysa | excellent, a youtube viewer. | 05:06 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: it doesn't work here for some reason | 05:07 |
| johnx | so you open osso-xterm, type hnb, hit enter and it says what? | 05:08 |
| pupnik | well there's uktube | 05:08 |
| fysa | the interface for yt-viewer looks perfect. I couldn't imagine anything better. | 05:09 |
| EruditeHermit | johnx: Error opening terminal: xterm. | 05:09 |
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| tigrux | j0tt: How did you know what class should you modify the remove the border? | 05:12 |
| tigrux | * to remove | 05:12 |
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| jott | well there where just 3 places ,) window, notebook, player ;) | 05:13 |
| tigrux | jott: Awesome! | 05:13 |
| jott | it annoyed me enough to remove it ;) | 05:13 |
| johnx | EruditeHermit, I've never had it try to start its own terminal when run from the command line | 05:14 |
| johnx | and I've tried it on many, many Linux systems, basically unmodified | 05:14 |
| EruditeHermit | hmm | 05:14 |
| EruditeHermit | weird | 05:14 |
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| EruditeHermit | johnx: I just installed it in my scratchbox and I got error loading /usr/bin/hnb | 05:16 |
| johnx | the same error? | 05:16 |
| EruditeHermit | no | 05:16 |
| EruditeHermit | its a different error | 05:16 |
| johnx | actually...this reminds me of this post: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16763&highlight=xterm | 05:16 |
| johnx | maybe, you and that person both have the same problem? | 05:17 |
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| jott | tigrux: i still don't really get the buffering stuff with gst.. :/ | 05:18 |
| tigrux | jott: My neither, it works fine in the desktop. :( | 05:19 |
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| fysa | tigrux: installing now.. will this do playlists? | 05:24 |
| tigrux | fysa: No yet. | 05:24 |
| fysa | playlists with a shuffle feature would be very nice. | 05:24 |
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| tigrux | fysa: I understand, but that would be like creating a media player. | 05:25 |
| tigrux | fysa: In that case, haching the maemo media-player should be better. | 05:25 |
| fysa | Looping through items in a youtube-stored 'playlist' or 'favorites' -- so you can create a playlists from a desktop | 05:26 |
| * pupnik hacks on gemrb | 05:27 | |
| tigrux | fysa: Fortunatelly, it's written in python and you can modify the source code very easily. | 05:27 |
| fysa | precisely. :) | 05:28 |
| tigrux | fysa: It has a lot of classes but they are mostly clear. | 05:29 |
| goat|work | only sufficiently empowered users can set a bug to confirmed, on bugs.maemo.org? so really just giving my input to a unconfirmed bug is the only thing I can do to help? | 05:31 |
| goat|work | can someone with power confirm this bug? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2952 | 05:34 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yt-viewer isnt working for me | 05:36 |
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| tigrux | Wow! conic is very easy to use! | 06:06 |
| tigrux | Guys, do you think yt-viewer is a good name? | 06:10 |
| tigrux | Or should I change it? | 06:10 |
| johnx | hmm...what else did you have in mind for a name? | 06:11 |
| johnx | want me to throw out a couple ideas? | 06:11 |
| tigrux | Yes! | 06:12 |
| tigrux | I thought of yt-player, but mine is not a complete player. | 06:12 |
| pupnik | Python coders, come rescue gemrb :) | 06:12 |
| pupnik | Usability = Kit | GemRB.GetTableValue(Table, v, 5) | 06:12 |
| pupnik | TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for |: 'str' and 'int | 06:12 |
| johnx | tablet-tube | 06:12 |
| pupnik | in GUICommon.py | 06:12 |
| tigrux | And it won't, it is only to listed to music and watch single videos. | 06:13 |
| johnx | hmm...maybe yt-browser than? | 06:13 |
| johnx | s/than/then/ | 06:13 |
| infobot | johnx meant: hmm...maybe yt-browser then? | 06:13 |
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| johnx | you-viewer? view-tubes? | 06:14 |
| johnx | tablet-tuber? (you could have a potato for an icon...) | 06:15 |
| tigrux | tablet-tuber! Sounds good. | 06:15 |
| johnx | if other people don't like the name just tell them to blame me :D | 06:16 |
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| pupnik | i think yt-viewer is clear and short | 06:19 |
| pupnik | maybe pytube to let ppl know it needs python | 06:20 |
| elb | pupnik: how did you get osso-xterm to *remember* thaty ou turned off the toolbar? | 06:20 |
| johnx | (yeah yt-viewer is actually a good name. I just like making up strange names for things...) | 06:20 |
| pupnik | hehe | 06:20 |
| pupnik | i like the potato icon idea | 06:20 |
| pupnik | how about a truck driving through a tube? :) | 06:21 |
| pupnik | elb: :/ sorry don't know | 06:21 |
| elb | but you did do so? | 06:21 |
| Fang64 | uhm, The internet is not a big truck you can just load stuff on, it's a series of tubes? | 06:22 |
| elb | Fang64: how is that not non-sequitur? | 06:24 |
| Fang64 | dunno | 06:24 |
| Fang64 | popped into my head | 06:24 |
| elb | I see | 06:24 |
| elb | how helpful | 06:24 |
| Fang64 | ah sorry about that, I tend to be a little random | 06:24 |
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| johnx | elb, it was free association: tablet-tuber -> truck in tube icon -> Senator "Intertubes" reference | 06:25 |
| johnx | it made sense to me...but that's probably a bad metric to judge by :D | 06:25 |
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| Fang64 | indeed, I free associated it :D | 06:26 |
| elb | hmmm, ctrl-] remains a problem here | 06:28 |
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| * elb puts ] on right shift | 06:37 | |
| elb | or maybe not | 06:37 |
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| Tama^2 | *python dies in pain | 07:17 |
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| scibot | So nice to see it established that opengl games can be done on N8xx devices. | 08:06 |
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| Proteous | when dukenukem forever works on the 810 I'll buy one | 08:07 |
| scibot | Pfft | 08:08 |
| Proteous | heh | 08:08 |
| scibot | Who the heck would want to play Duke Nukem Forever anyway. | 08:08 |
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| pupnik_ | unless you have some new information, scibot | 08:14 |
| scibot | Hmmm? | 08:14 |
| pupnik_ | your statement was incorrect | 08:14 |
| scibot | Which one? | 08:14 |
| pupnik_ | 07:05 < scibot> So nice to see it established that opengl games can be done on N8xx devices. | 08:14 |
| scibot | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16502 | 08:15 |
| pupnik_ | that's not using opengl :) | 08:15 |
| scibot | "This release of Warzone 2100 uses SDL, OpenGL" | 08:15 |
| scibot | I mean through software rendering. | 08:16 |
| pupnik_ | it does not use opengl | 08:16 |
| pupnik_ | where are you pasting that from? | 08:16 |
| scibot | Their site. | 08:17 |
| pupnik_ | they are using a newer release that uses opengl. we use the original software renderer | 08:17 |
| pupnik_ | opengl is completely useless on the tablets | 08:18 |
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| Navi | Heh | 08:29 |
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| pupnik_ | solmumaha: http://www.gamedev.net/reference/articles/article2008.asp http://downloads.gamedev.net/features/snippets/OpenAL-2008.zip openal sample code... also note you can set up multiple devices in openalrc (define devices '(alsa esd sdl native)) | 08:35 |
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| EruditeHermit | hey, if there is a source package that builds multiple debian packages, is there a way to only build one module of it? | 08:50 |
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| pupnik_ | not sure, try removing one from debian/files | 08:53 |
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| EruditeHermit | pupnik_: what do you mean debian/files? | 08:56 |
| EruditeHermit | which file | 08:57 |
| pupnik_ | look in package source directory | 08:57 |
| pupnik_ | there should be a "debian" directory containing a file called "files" | 08:57 |
| pupnik_ | or maybe not | 08:57 |
| EruditeHermit | there isn't a file called files | 08:57 |
| EruditeHermit | lol | 08:57 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 08:58 |
| EruditeHermit | there are files called abiword-plugins.files | 08:58 |
| EruditeHermit | and other such files like that | 08:58 |
| pupnik_ | maybe you can remove sections from the debian/control file | 08:58 |
| pupnik_ | (backup first) | 08:59 |
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| vitja | Hi | 09:00 |
| vitja | does anybody know where can I find source package for /etc/operator_settings? | 09:00 |
| vitja | I've installed SDK but no operator-wizard package there( | 09:02 |
| vitja | is that piece of proprietary software? | 09:03 |
| * scibot tries to find those demo's (scene) of really nice 3d environments on ridiculously old hardware. | 09:03 | |
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| johnx | vitja, that's very possible | 09:03 |
| johnx | on my n800 apt-cache policy lists no repository for the package that owns that file (operator-wizard-settings) | 09:04 |
| vitja | do u have operator_settings installed? | 09:04 |
| johnx | yes | 09:05 |
| vitja | in sdk or tablet? | 09:05 |
| johnx | want me to repack it and send it your way? | 09:05 |
| johnx | on tablet | 09:05 |
| vitja | hmm.. I mean SDK | 09:05 |
| johnx | yeah, I don't think it's available anywhere except the tablet flash image | 09:05 |
| vitja | I want to use it for my project, that contains very userful info on many GSM providers | 09:06 |
| vitja | but I don't known its licenseI( | 09:06 |
| johnx | heh. if it's useful, that's a pretty good indication that Nokia hasn't released it under the GPL or similar... | 09:06 |
| EruditeHermit | /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user what does that mean? | 09:07 |
| jku | EruditeHermit, that messagebus user/group does not exist? | 09:08 |
| EruditeHermit | why am I getting it when I am trying to install the package gconf2 | 09:09 |
| johnx | because it's postinst script wants to set the ownership of something to messagebus user/group but those don't exist in scratchbox? | 09:10 |
| johnx | maybe? | 09:10 |
| EruditeHermit | arg | 09:10 |
| EruditeHermit | this scratchbox is so frustrating | 09:10 |
| EruditeHermit | i386 stuff is simpler | 09:10 |
| EruditeHermit | lol | 09:10 |
| johnx | cross compiling is usually complicated | 09:11 |
| jku | EruditeHermit, at least I have the user and group though | 09:11 |
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| jku | so maybe I was wrong | 09:11 |
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| EruditeHermit | jku: how do you check? | 09:12 |
| EruditeHermit | jku: the command group isn't there | 09:12 |
| scibot | Amiga AGA - http://demoscene.tv/page.php?id=513&lang=uk&vsmaction=view_prod&id_prod=6070 | 09:12 |
| EruditeHermit | err groups | 09:12 |
| jku | EruditeHermit, you're on the device? | 09:13 |
| jku | /etc/passwd will show that user exists | 09:13 |
| vitja | johnx, I guess I still can use it as it's just info | 09:14 |
| EruditeHermit | hmm | 09:15 |
| EruditeHermit | my scratchbox doesn't have it | 09:15 |
| EruditeHermit | the device does | 09:15 |
| jku | vitja, a collection of non-copyrightable data can still be under copyright... | 09:15 |
| scibot | Anyway I'd be happy enough to get pygame working at 400x240. | 09:15 |
| johnx | vitja, well, if's probably copyrighted so it would depend on the fair use laws on your country | 09:15 |
| EruditeHermit | yt-viewer is cool btw but slow | 09:17 |
| vitja | I paid for my n800, did I paid for this one file too? | 09:17 |
| vitja | have to go now, thanks | 09:18 |
| vitja | bye | 09:18 |
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| EruditeHermit | does anyones scratchbox have messagebus:messagebus group and user? | 09:18 |
| jku | EruditeHermit, yes | 09:19 |
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| melmoth | pupnik you were mentionning espeak here http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2007-08-12.log.html | 09:24 |
| melmoth | did you port it to maemo already ? | 09:24 |
| melmoth | If so, could you please push it in extras ? :-) | 09:24 |
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| EruditeHermit | jku: how come my scratchbox doesn't have it? | 09:25 |
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| EruditeHermit | hmm | 09:39 |
| EruditeHermit | Is there something with dbus that didn't make it create the messagebus:messagebus user and group when I installed scratchbox? | 09:39 |
| pupnik_ | melmoth: i just used flite instead | 09:39 |
| melmoth | grumble | 09:40 |
| melmoth | i need french tts | 09:40 |
| EruditeHermit | what do you guys use the tts for? | 09:41 |
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| EruditeHermit | which programs does it work with? | 09:41 |
| EruditeHermit | or is it just stdin | 09:41 |
| melmoth | maemomapepr is supposed to use it, but i did not try yet | 09:41 |
| melmoth | i want a vocal gps navigation stuff, that helps you roam the paris street with velib | 09:42 |
| melmoth | those city bike you can rent for 1 euro per 30mn | 09:42 |
| melmoth | i want something you dont have to read a screen to use with, because you need to concentrate on the road and hurd of cursing parisian automobilists | 09:43 |
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| Stskeeps | hrm, isn't there a wireless-tools package for chinook? | 09:57 |
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| johnx | yes, look on gronmayer.com/it | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 10:01 |
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| sleetdrop | hi room. | 10:04 |
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| sleetdrop | anyone can tell me how to check the online or offline status? | 10:04 |
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| sleetdrop | I need this in my own app | 10:04 |
| pupnik_ | sleetdrop: conic is your google term | 10:05 |
| pupnik_ | or just call ifconfig | 10:05 |
| sleetdrop | the device use different connection methods | 10:06 |
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| sleetdrop | so I can't decide with name to use in ifconfig | 10:06 |
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| sleetdrop | and my app is written in C | 10:06 |
| pupnik_ | then dbus / conic (libconic) | 10:07 |
| L0cutus | re | 10:08 |
| sleetdrop | I did not find the conic | 10:08 |
| sleetdrop | can you give the the project's page? | 10:08 |
| sleetdrop | thanks a lot | 10:09 |
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| sleetdrop | I get it | 10:09 |
| sleetdrop | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libconic/index.html | 10:09 |
| sleetdrop | I am a beginner, there is no example code. :( | 10:11 |
| sleetdrop | BTW, thanks for pupnik_'s help | 10:12 |
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| pupnik_ | sleetdrop: i don't know how to use it, i just know that's a possible solution | 10:15 |
| sleetdrop | :) | 10:15 |
| sleetdrop | that's okay, I'll read the doc later. | 10:15 |
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| |tbb| | morning_all | 10:17 |
| unique311 | pupnik_, ya around? | 10:18 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 10:18 |
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| pupnik | welcome back | 10:18 |
| unique311 | no luck with mtpaint. | 10:19 |
| pupnik | mtpaint 3.0? | 10:19 |
| pupnik | or the older one | 10:19 |
| unique311 | i cant figure it out. | 10:19 |
| unique311 | 3.2 | 10:19 |
| unique311 | 0 | 10:19 |
| pupnik | ok. it's really different looking now | 10:20 |
| pupnik | Yeah you need to study gtk and learn about callbacks and stuff | 10:21 |
| pupnik | All i've done is the little changes for the pcsx gtk frontend | 10:22 |
| pupnik | i'm trying to avoid all that | 10:22 |
| unique311 | I'm not going to give up on it yet. | 10:22 |
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| unique311 | I am going to take a break from it | 10:24 |
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| jku | sleetdrop, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html#LibConIC | 10:31 |
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| sleetdrop | thanks jku | 10:42 |
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| briatx | i apologize in advance for such a pedestrian query, but I'm considering booting off a 16gb sd card and I was wondering if anyone had an opinion on partition sizes. I am considering a 13gb fat / 3 gb rootfs split. But I'm also wondering about just allocating most of it to rootfs. TIA for any opinions. | 10:45 |
| johnx | I guess it depends on if you ever want to use the card with a windows desktop or not | 10:46 |
| johnx | I run Linux on the desktops so I made one nice big partition, but then, I only have a 2GB card | 10:47 |
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| briatx | well, on my 770 I found that transferring files over USB was painfully slow anyway. Not sure if its the same on N800 yet, but if I can transfer wirelessly then the USB-drive compatibility seems less worthwhile | 10:48 |
| pupnik | 770 with stock kernel has very slow write speed to mmc | 10:49 |
| johnx | hmm...USB transfers on my N800 seem somewhat faster than scp transfers over WPA wifi | 10:49 |
| johnx | never did a scientific test though | 10:49 |
| pupnik | i seem to recall something like 230kB/s | 10:50 |
| briatx | ok, thanks john for that insight. | 10:50 |
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| johnx | I think my SD card is the limiting factor for USB transfers | 10:50 |
| briatx | and pupnik too. are you ArnimS from ITT? | 10:51 |
| * |tbb| awaitings johnx new theme today | 10:51 | |
| johnx | heh...no theme from me :P | 10:51 |
| johnx | will prolly go to bed soon even | 10:51 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:56 |
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| icepolarpolar | good morning | 11:00 |
| icepolarpolar | may i ask how can i get libxmlsec1 onto chinook scratchbox ? | 11:00 |
| zuh | johnx: What are the numbers? I get around 600-700 kB/s with my crappy wlan dongle and around 800 kB/s with my wifes iMac (which stung a bit). | 11:01 |
| zuh | To a SDHC class 6 card | 11:02 |
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| jku | icepolarpolar, get debian source, build and install oackage? | 11:11 |
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| icepolarpolar | hi jku thanks for helping me again .. I am doing that now .. | 11:17 |
| jku | icepolarpolar, might hit some problems on the way, but that's the normal procedure | 11:18 |
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| icepolarpolar | jku: i have installed xmlsec but when i run the 'make check' instead of true or fail, most of my checks return 'skip' .. do you think it is normal ? | 11:43 |
| jku | icepolarpolar, no idea | 11:44 |
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| jku | icepolarpolar, I suggest you just try to build the debian package; | 11:44 |
| jku | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us | 11:44 |
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| icepolarpolar | ok thanks i will try that | 11:48 |
| icepolarpolar | :) | 11:48 |
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| pupnik | jott: lacking any other options, I included your libSDL with dosbox distribution. It only installs on N810 though. If you could mention the issue on maemo-developers list that would be appreciated | 11:58 |
| melmoth | Ahah somebody already ported espeak:http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Onion/Mapper | 11:58 |
| melmoth | Onion, whoever you are: thanks :) | 11:58 |
| jku | melmoth, wow, does that Mapper work? | 12:02 |
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| jku | oh, not actually for mapping other things than POI at the moment, I guess | 12:04 |
| melmoth | i dont know, i did not tested it | 12:04 |
| melmoth | just tested the espeak wav generation. it works | 12:05 |
| GNUton | Hi | 12:05 |
| jku | and the gpx upload is not automatic yet :( | 12:05 |
| jku | well, nice to see development anyway | 12:05 |
| jku | I'm just amazed how fast openstreetmap grows, even though the process of mapping is not always that easy | 12:06 |
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| ssvb | pupnik: an optimized libSDL is emerging? | 12:11 |
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| pupnik | no just one hack to fix N810 keyboard FN key | 12:13 |
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| iDS | hi guys | 12:18 |
| iDS | please tell me 1 | 12:18 |
| iDS | the os 2008 is better than os2007? | 12:19 |
| iDS | ???? | 12:20 |
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| pupnik | whois iDS | 12:23 |
| iDS | ? | 12:25 |
| iDS | can u reply me? | 12:25 |
| pupnik | iDS: i don't know. the forums at internettablettalk.com will have more information about user experiences with upgrading from OS2007 to OS2008 | 12:25 |
| iDS | i know there but wanted ur opinions too | 12:26 |
| jku | 2008 is a bigger number than 2007, so it must be better | 12:27 |
| truls | 2007 is soo last year | 12:27 |
| iDS | n800 can be run on os2008 ?? yes? but without any problem? | 12:28 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 12:30 |
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| iDS | ??????/ | 12:31 |
| iDS | reply please guys | 12:32 |
| wnd | so I've heard | 12:33 |
| wnd | no first hand experience though | 12:34 |
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| iDS | oh | 12:35 |
| iDS | battery operating times for n800? | 12:35 |
| iDS | guys come on | 12:37 |
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| jku | iDS, what do you want? OS2008 is the officially supported OS for N800, so yes it works. | 12:39 |
| jku | battery operating time is variable that greatly depends on what you do | 12:40 |
| iDS | but any official news for battery operating times in n800? | 12:41 |
| iDS | i want to buy n800 soon | 12:41 |
| iDS | and don't know the battery operating times yet | 12:42 |
| iDS | but n810 is clear | 12:42 |
| iDS | so i am confused :S | 12:42 |
| iDS | i need ur help and experience | 12:42 |
| iDS | :'''( | 12:43 |
| tony2001 | from 2-3 hours watching videos to 10+ days if the tablet is idle | 12:43 |
| iDS | what about audio on n800? | 12:44 |
| tony2001 | ~4+ hours if you use mp3 | 12:45 |
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| iDS | oh n810 is longer :( | 12:46 |
| tony2001 | n810 and n800 use the same batteries, same CPUs and most of the hardware | 12:47 |
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| tony2001 | except for the display, which is a bit smaller on n810 | 12:47 |
| tony2001 | so even if n810 lives longer, it's not hours longer, it's minutes | 12:47 |
| iDS | oh ok tnx :D | 12:48 |
| |tbb| | tony: its not the same battery | 12:49 |
| |tbb| | n770 and n800 uses same battery | 12:49 |
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| tony2001 | |tbb|: ah, right. | 12:52 |
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| florian | good morning | 12:56 |
| maddler | heya | 12:59 |
| maddler | damn... ppl @ truecrypt really screwed up! | 12:59 |
| maddler | no text version without X installed... no command line switches to create a container... | 13:00 |
| maddler | too bad.. | 13:00 |
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| Spakman_ | in a Gtk TreeView, when a user is selecting a row, I'd like to tell which column was clicked on, but I can't find anything in the docs about how to do this. Any thoughts? | 13:37 |
| solmumaha | tried row-activated signal? | 13:40 |
| solmumaha | or cursor-changed | 13:41 |
| |tbb| | hmmh, mamo-launcher eats constantly 5% from cpu sometimes more, whats the problem? | 13:44 |
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| tontsa | there's no way to set proxy on this os2008 microb? | 13:48 |
| maddler | you can set proxy from network properties | 13:49 |
| maddler | systemwide | 13:49 |
| tontsa | cool. anyone else btw experiences instability with the bluetooth? seems it doesn't detect if phone disconnects | 13:50 |
| maddler | tontsa: no... never... which phone? | 13:51 |
| tontsa | nokia e70 | 13:51 |
| maddler | never heard about any trouble... | 13:51 |
| maddler | :( | 13:51 |
| tontsa | can't find that network properties | 13:51 |
| maddler | is where you configure netowork parameters... IP address... and so on... | 13:52 |
| tontsa | i don't have anything like that.. only properties are some idle times | 13:53 |
| Spakman_ | solmumaha: great - cursor-changed is just what I was after. Thanks a lot. | 13:53 |
| tontsa | the connection is adhoc wlan and it's using dhcp i think | 13:53 |
| maddler | yes... you have to go to connecction properties.. | 13:54 |
| tontsa | i have connectivity settings.. there you have general and idle times. then connections button where you can edit the defined connections.. but even there the only choices are bluetooth, packet data or wlan | 13:55 |
| maddler | ok... start from scratch... ;) | 13:56 |
| maddler | click on the network icon on the top bar... | 13:56 |
| maddler | you have a network settings command... | 13:57 |
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| tontsa | i have select connection and connectivity settings | 13:57 |
| maddler | yep... connectivity settings... sorry... | 13:57 |
| tontsa | there i have that general tab and idle times | 13:57 |
| tontsa | nothing with proxys though | 13:57 |
| maddler | there is a "connection" button... | 13:58 |
| tontsa | yes | 13:58 |
| maddler | click on it... and the select the connection you wish to change settings for... | 13:58 |
| tontsa | aaargh yes. i'm blind. there's next button there | 13:58 |
| tontsa | let's see if this works with this adhoc one though | 13:58 |
| maddler | proxy settings are under the advanced settings... | 13:59 |
| tontsa | will be a bitch though.. the hotspot changes it's name everytime you start it :) | 13:59 |
| maddler | ?! | 14:00 |
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| maddler | wich hotspot can do such a dumb move?! | 14:00 |
| tontsa | it's "Joiku Spot" for S60 3rd edition phones | 14:00 |
| tontsa | trying that so i could use internet somewhat reliably from n810 | 14:00 |
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| maddler | why not using BT? | 14:01 |
| maddler | even if slower it won't require changing proxy evere 5 minutes... | 14:01 |
| tontsa | cause it keeps disconnecting every like 2-3 minutes, then you have to turn off bluetooth off and connect again | 14:01 |
| tontsa | driving me nuts | 14:01 |
| maddler | tried upgrading firmwares? | 14:02 |
| maddler | both on the phone and N810? | 14:02 |
| tontsa | have latest on both | 14:02 |
| maddler | that's very very strange... | 14:02 |
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| tontsa | tell me about it.. when that happens you can't disconnect the bluetooth dialup connection | 14:03 |
| tontsa | atleast from the gui | 14:03 |
| tontsa | you have to turn off the bt | 14:03 |
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| tontsa | that joikuspot works well though. now just need wrapper for openssh that will issue CONNECT thru it's proxy | 14:05 |
| tontsa | hope that joikuspot final version comes out soon.. now it's totally unsecured wlan hotspot, anyone can connect and whore my phone :) | 14:06 |
| tontsa | i also tried to use usb 3g/gprs/edge modem | 14:08 |
| tontsa | but even with powered usb-hub the host-mode of n810 doesn't seem to detect the card | 14:08 |
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| tontsa | seems there's no l2ping packages in any repo for chinook | 14:29 |
| tontsa | packaged* | 14:29 |
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| LL000 | hello | 14:54 |
| LL000 | there is no xchat for os2008? only for 2007? | 14:55 |
| LL000 | os2007 | 14:55 |
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| tontsa | there's atleast beta version | 14:58 |
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| LoCusF | pidgin work ok as irc client | 14:59 |
| LoCusF | *works | 14:59 |
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| jku | LoCusF, with specific values of "works" | 15:03 |
| jku | I think pidgin is possibly the worst IRC client I've ever tried | 15:04 |
| Tak | LL000: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 15:04 |
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| Navi | Pidgin is horrible, but not as bad as some others. | 15:06 |
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| tontsa | cgi:irc should be ok :) | 15:07 |
| |tbb| | how can i access smb-shares of my desktop (which displayed nice on osso-filebrowser) from commandline (osso-xterm) | 15:07 |
| tontsa | |tbb| i guess you need to install some samba client packages | 15:07 |
| LL000 | thanx tak | 15:09 |
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| Tak | tobmaster: http://mibbit.com is pretty nice | 15:12 |
| Tak | s/tobmaster/tontsa/ | 15:12 |
| infobot | Tak meant: tontsa: http://mibbit.com is pretty nice | 15:12 |
| ki | So let's get a party going (let's get a party going) | 15:14 |
| ki | Now it's time to party and we'll party hard (party hard) | 15:14 |
| ki | why!? | 15:14 |
| ki | sorry | 15:14 |
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| LoCusF | jku: well I like it | 15:19 |
| LoCusF | jku: its the only one that supports scandinavian characters | 15:20 |
| ki | HAI | 15:20 |
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| jumpula | CAN I HAS SCRATCHBOX? | 15:21 |
| ki | 12/F/CALI, U? | 15:22 |
| ki | MOARRRRRRR | 15:22 |
| ki | over and out | 15:22 |
| ki | xxx | 15:22 |
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| jumpula | that was interesting :) | 15:23 |
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| dpb__ | lol | 15:27 |
| Tak | hmm, xchat supports utf... | 15:29 |
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| dpb__ | what's surprising about that? | 15:32 |
| LL000 | does mplayer support x264 and aac? | 15:32 |
| VRe | I don't think that there is enough kick to do x264 | 15:34 |
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| LL000 | any rotate screen application? | 15:53 |
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| felipec | LL000: there's an interesting video on planet maemo | 15:56 |
| robtaylor | felipec: can xserver-omap do rotation now? ooOOO | 15:57 |
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| Tobotras | hi there | 15:58 |
| felipec | robtaylor: I guess so: http://labs.vivi.eng.br/blog/?p=39 | 15:59 |
| Mikho_ | hey, would somebody know how to reduce the amount of padding between toolitems in GtkToolbar? By default the icons take nearly twice the size they need | 16:00 |
| Mikho_ | *twice the space | 16:00 |
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| LL000 | it's mamona | 16:05 |
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| LL000 | it's not on os2008 | 16:05 |
| magicrobotmonkey | what is mamona? | 16:05 |
| LL000 | an os with e16? | 16:05 |
| robtaylor | LL000: you could build a new xomap package with the patches applied | 16:06 |
| birunko | vivijim, ^^ | 16:06 |
| trickie | magicrobotmonkey: http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona | 16:06 |
| robtaylor | LL000: and make up something to poke xrandr | 16:06 |
| Tak | Mikho_: isn't there a padding attribute? | 16:06 |
| Mikho_ | nothing seems to work | 16:06 |
| felipec | magicrobotmonkey: it's an open source distribution for internet tables | 16:06 |
| felipec | afaik | 16:06 |
| robtaylor | LL000: i suspect there'll be issues with video from the dsp though | 16:06 |
| Tak | how stable is mamona? | 16:06 |
| felipec | robtaylor: maybe not | 16:07 |
| felipec | robtaylor: if xv has been implemented properly =/ | 16:08 |
| vivijim | Tak mamona is not ready for use yet... we don't have virtual keyboard neither web browser... | 16:08 |
| * Tak nods | 16:08 | |
| felipec | vivijim: which web browser are you planing to use? | 16:08 |
| vivijim | but I'm going to publish the X and kernel patches and It will be easy to add rotation support to os2008 | 16:09 |
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| Ostebaronen | YAY | 16:11 |
| jku | vivijim, that is very cool | 16:11 |
| Ostebaronen | Contributed my first trace from Maemo to Openstreetmap | 16:12 |
| robtaylor | felipec: well, the overlay stuff at least | 16:12 |
| Ostebaronen | Maemo mapper that is | 16:12 |
| blafasel | Hmm.. Based on e16? Sad that e17 is still not stable.. | 16:12 |
| felipec | robtaylor: well, I've played with v4lsink stuff and video rotation works there on omap2 | 16:13 |
| robtaylor | felipec: oh, nice:) | 16:14 |
| felipec | robtaylor: hmm, but maybe the hardware is different... | 16:15 |
| felipec | I meant omap2 sdk | 16:15 |
| felipec | sdp | 16:15 |
| robtaylor | felipec: sounds like a question for daniels ;) | 16:16 |
| felipec | indeed | 16:17 |
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| K-Fox | hi | 16:40 |
| K-Fox | what is the name of irc application on n800( os 2007) | 16:41 |
| felipec | K-Fox: x-chat ? | 16:41 |
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| LL00 | how is sardine? | 16:44 |
| LL00 | alpha alpha stage? | 16:44 |
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| K-Fox | x-chat is application for os 2008 | 16:45 |
| Tak | there is also xchat for os2007 | 16:46 |
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| K-Fox | wow where is? | 16:47 |
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| Juhaz | and os2006, and 2005. | 16:48 |
| Tak | K-Fox: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/maemo-xchat/ | 16:48 |
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| felipec | I thought the latest one was os2007 | 16:50 |
| K-Fox | Tak : thanks... | 16:50 |
| Tak | felipec: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 16:50 |
| felipec | Tak: sweet! | 16:52 |
| LL00 | why it missing bomberman for os2008 on meamo download page? | 16:53 |
| felipec | LL00: there's a lot of things missing freom maemo.org | 16:54 |
| LL00 | deleted? | 16:55 |
| LL00 | any .doc reader? | 16:55 |
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| Tak | there was an abiword port | 16:57 |
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| LL00 | was? | 17:00 |
| LL00 | only for os2007? | 17:00 |
| LoCusF | its under closed beta testing | 17:00 |
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| ||cw | why would an OSS project have a closed beta? | 17:04 |
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| LL00 | there is a docreader in garage | 17:14 |
| LL00 | damn need abiword | 17:15 |
| LL00 | antiword* | 17:15 |
| pupnik | Tak latest fceu is Oct 16, 2007? | 17:16 |
| Tak | yeah, looks like it | 17:17 |
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| pupnik | any significant changes in the svn since then? | 17:20 |
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| Tak | no | 17:22 |
| Tak | any significant change gets a release | 17:22 |
| pupnik | for n800 configure you use .. --enable-n800 and --with-alsa? | 17:24 |
| Tak | no alsa | 17:24 |
| Tak | I'm doing --with-xsp --with-esd | 17:25 |
| pupnik | ok ty | 17:25 |
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| _berto_ | what happens with maemo.org/downloads ? | 17:52 |
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| pupnik | you start a download then go make coffee? | 17:55 |
| _berto_ | no, worse | 17:56 |
| _berto_ | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vagalume/ | 17:56 |
| _berto_ | "server error" | 17:56 |
| zoran | what error umber? | 17:57 |
| zoran | *number | 17:57 |
| dpb__ | 500 | 17:57 |
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| zoran | it si not a client side error | 17:58 |
| sp3000 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ooh/vagalume/ | 17:58 |
| sp3000 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/vagalume/ | 17:58 |
| pupnik | sbox-arm-linux-gcc: Internal error: Killed (program cc1 | 17:58 |
| pupnik | hah wow | 17:58 |
| Tak | killer | 17:58 |
| sp3000 | also vagalume matches nothing in OS2008 | 17:58 |
| _berto_ | I started to have problems when I made the latest release | 17:59 |
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| sp3000 | but does in 7 | 17:59 |
| _berto_ | it's as if it had disappeared | 17:59 |
| sp3000 | indeed :) | 17:59 |
| _berto_ | but how ? I haven't deleted it :) | 17:59 |
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| pupnik | did you ever try the -fprofile-generate on fceu Tak? | 18:00 |
| Tak | no, I haven't | 18:00 |
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| pupnik | i'll try it when i can | 18:01 |
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| blafasel | This is strange. The Canola homepage offers its screencasts as .m4s, but .m4a files make my device explode. Any experiences with that? | 18:10 |
| pupnik | Tak: it's dying on drivers/sexyal/convert.c - can i remove sexyal from the build? | 18:11 |
| wwp | blafasel: tried #canola? | 18:12 |
| Tak | only if you don't want audio | 18:13 |
| blafasel | wwp: Thanks, didn't even know that channel | 18:16 |
| Tak | pupnik: builds fine for me with --with-xsp --with-esd ... | 18:19 |
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| pupnik | gcc 3.4 can be unstable with some flags | 18:19 |
| Tak | hooray! | 18:20 |
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| pupnik | takes like 12 minutes to compile convert.c | 18:22 |
| Tak | yeah, it's horrendous - have you looked at the code? | 18:23 |
| Tak | that's where like 99% of our audio bottleneck is | 18:23 |
| pupnik | dropping from -O4 (or -O3) to -O2 got around the crash | 18:24 |
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| Tak | yeah - I need to convert all my stuff to use -Os | 18:25 |
| K-Fox | gcc is compiler? | 18:25 |
| pupnik | yes | 18:25 |
| Tak | K-Fox: Yes, GNU Compiler Collection | 18:25 |
| K-Fox | oh GNU | 18:26 |
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| pupnik | "It's dangerous to go alone! Take this." | 18:27 |
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| Tak | zelda's great on the device | 18:28 |
| pupnik | do you want to see oprofile data for zelda? | 18:29 |
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| Tak | would it mean anything to me? ;-) | 18:29 |
| |tbb| | zelda, zelda, my all time favourite game, pupnik did you port it for itOS2008 | 18:30 |
| Zic | I heard that visualboxadvance, with only 10FPS on N8*0, is unplayable, true ? | 18:31 |
| Zic | visualboyadvance port* | 18:31 |
| Tak | it depends whether you consider ~10fps playable | 18:31 |
| pupnik | tak http://pastebin.ca/908599 see cpu time in various functions | 18:32 |
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| Tak | X6502_RunNormal isn't going to get any better without an asm core | 18:32 |
| pupnik | btw xmaeme on os2008 is forgetting where ROMs are between invocations | 18:32 |
| Tak | FCEU_SoundCPUHook is the reason the sound is so laggy | 18:33 |
| Tak | pupnik: you mean you browse to one, then restart, and it's not in the list anymore? | 18:33 |
| pupnik | yes | 18:33 |
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| Tak | yeah, that's a TODO | 18:34 |
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| pupnik | ok | 18:34 |
| Tak | one of my Free Software Heroes should implement a generic gtk+ state-serialization library | 18:35 |
| pupnik | fceu with zelda and fs2 runs at 69-70% cpu, occasionally spiking to 91% (measured with top) | 18:36 |
| Tak | not bad for pure c | 18:38 |
| pupnik | hahaha convert.c | 18:38 |
| * pupnik dies laughing | 18:38 | |
| Tak | yeah, no kidding | 18:38 |
| Tak | I didn't know whether to laugh or cry | 18:38 |
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| pupnik | i have to touch --date=2009-01-01 convert.o and back it up so i get reasonably fast builds | 18:59 |
| pupnik | However, seeing 30% cpu headroom free seems to indicate the stuttering problem really isn't due to cpu limitations (which would manifest as irregular stuttering) but one of those oh so painful buffer-management issues | 19:00 |
| pupnik | I have the same problem, even mor egregious with linapple Apple ][ emulator, which only takes 8% cpu | 19:01 |
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| Tak | if you have free cpu, increase the buffer | 19:01 |
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| Tak | just keep the current buffering scheme in a 770 ifdef or something ;-) | 19:01 |
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| boolean | morning | 19:50 |
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| melmoth | GRumble | 20:01 |
| melmoth | Is there still no libglade for chinook python2.5 ? | 20:01 |
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| LastLemming | is it possible to have --enabled-rd-mode with window flasher? | 20:31 |
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| rafl | i wonder if manoma already supports a virtual keyboard and wpa. | 20:58 |
| * Tak "<vivijim> Tak mamona is not ready for use yet... we don't have virtual keyboard neither web browser..." | 20:58 | |
| rafl | i really like the idea, but without those two features it wouldn't be of much use to me, i guess | 20:59 |
| rafl | thanks Tak | 20:59 |
| felipec | rafl: virtual keyboard I think not yet | 20:59 |
| felipec | rafl: they have some wireless stuff working afaik, but I don't know if they have wpa | 20:59 |
| jott | you can just compile a webkit base browser ;) | 20:59 |
| jott | wpa *should* work as there is a patch for the wext of the driver to make wpa work with the n8x0 chip | 21:00 |
| rafl | i see | 21:00 |
| jott | (dunno if it is incorporated in the mamona firmware) | 21:00 |
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| jott | atleast debian arm/eabi has wpa working with wpa_supplicant | 21:01 |
| Tak | hmm, what is the debian-armel port missing as far as hardware support? | 21:02 |
| rafl | http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/wiki/ReleaseNotes0.1 says only open and wep networks work in 0.1, but i don't know what changed since then | 21:02 |
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| jott | Tak: last i know was some sound issues and more important power management.. | 21:03 |
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| pupnik | Somebody smarter than mee needs to look at fceu sound. | 21:06 |
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| Pio | how does fceu run on the 800/810? ive only used it on the 770 | 21:07 |
| Tak | pupnik: another option is to try to shoehorn convert.c into a dsp task based on lardman's work | 21:07 |
| Tak | Pio: it runs great on the 800, at least | 21:07 |
| Pio | sweet | 21:07 |
| Pio | with no frame dropping? | 21:07 |
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| pupnik | I would need to generate more detailed profile information to identify | 21:08 |
| Pio | Tak, you go to scale this year? dont know if you remember but i met you at 2007's | 21:08 |
| Tak | I think, with sound, you might need to drop 2 frames or so | 21:08 |
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| pupnik | whether convert.c actually takes up much cpu time | 21:08 |
| Tak | scale? | 21:08 |
| Pio | heh maybe i got the wrong guy | 21:08 |
| Pio | southern california linux expo | 21:08 |
| Tak | I think I am not the person you think I am ;-) | 21:08 |
| pupnik | Sound stutters here with any frameskip. | 21:08 |
| Pio | yeah guess not | 21:08 |
| Pio | wonder who that was then heh | 21:08 |
| Tak | lol | 21:08 |
| Pio | i ran in to another #maemo guy there by coincidence, and he introduced me to who i thought was you | 21:08 |
| jott | hehe identity theft :P | 21:09 |
| Tak | weird - no, I've never been to california | 21:09 |
| Tak | I'm in west-central FL | 21:09 |
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| pupnik | Tak: gcc use-case profile (.gcda files) generated. Rebuilding with -profile-use now | 21:20 |
| pupnik | -fprofile-use | 21:20 |
| pupnik | fingers crossed... :) | 21:21 |
| elb | FREAKING tablet | 21:21 |
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| gratz|home | trying to flash my nokia, when i download flasher-3.0 i set the permissions for executing but then get "./flasher-3.0: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'" when running it, it doesn't appear to be an elf file, anyway to fix this? | 21:25 |
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| lcuk_3 | gratz, when downloading the flasher, make sure you LEFT click on the link, it takes you to a confirmation page first, the chances are you have downloaded this HTML page instead of the actual exe | 21:28 |
| elb | check the file and make sure it's not a web page | 21:29 |
| gratz|home | i did left click | 21:29 |
| jott | hehe this really seems to be a FAQ ;P | 21:29 |
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| * pupnik swings wildly at fceu with a -2 cursed sword of backbiting | 21:30 | |
| lcuk_3 | open the flasher executable in an editor and check what you have | 21:30 |
| gratz|home | it is webpage, doesn't come up with the confirmation page it tries to download it instead.. | 21:30 |
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| * lcuk_3 shrugs. whaddaiknow - i flash with windows | 21:31 | |
| * lcuk_3 feels like a whore for saying that | 21:31 | |
| * jott looks at lcuk_3 filth | 21:31 | |
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| lcuk_3 | you can't afford it | 21:32 |
| lcuk_3 | pupnik, have you done any playing with xv library? | 21:32 |
| gratz|home | how can i get the elf without it downloading the confirmation page? | 21:32 |
| elb | I see at least one other citation on the web for exactly the same boot problem I'm having | 21:33 |
| lcuk_3 | where are you getting the download link from? | 21:33 |
| lcuk_3 | what ya broke elb? | 21:33 |
| LastLemming | lcuk_3, you can get --enabled-rd-mode with windows flasher, right? | 21:33 |
| lcuk_3 | not that i know of - ive only flashed once when i was a linux virgin, i think next time i will try from console | 21:34 |
| gratz|home | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux?highlight=%2528CategoryFlashing%2529 | 21:34 |
| gratz|home | from there | 21:34 |
| elb | lcuk_3: my tablet gets to the point that the blue progress bar at bootup is full, but never progresses farther | 21:35 |
| lcuk_3 | gratz|home, on my (windows firefox) machine it comes up with a big confirm page where i have to accept a eula | 21:36 |
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| LastLemming | I go and try with linux flasher | 21:37 |
| gratz|home | linux firefox and it's just dl'ing it | 21:37 |
| lcuk_3 | not sure if it will work, but what happens if you click http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-3.0 | 21:37 |
| ds3 | anyone know if the current maemo-mapper v2 can use a scanned map from flash? all the docs point to using remote map repos | 21:37 |
| gratz|home | tries to download the page lcuk_3 | 21:37 |
| LastLemming | what diff about static one and not static one? | 21:38 |
| elb | itt is full of cargo-cultists | 21:38 |
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| lcuk_3 | static one is bigger | 21:38 |
| lcuk_3 | and doesnt have dependencies i would gather cos they are builtinto the exe | 21:38 |
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| LastLemming | ok | 21:39 |
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| lcuk_3 | elb, if you leave it alone does it cycle boot or just hang there | 21:39 |
| elb | hangs there | 21:39 |
| elb | and the screen dims on inactivity, but touching the screen brightens it back up | 21:40 |
| elb | *something* is working, it just never finishes the boot | 21:40 |
| pupnik | Tak: around to test/compare a new build? | 21:40 |
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| lcuk_3 | boo, GeneralAntilles mentioned something about having an autoconnect enabled and some boot ninja stuff | 21:40 |
| elb | I have to get to it, to turn on autoconnects etc. ;-) | 21:40 |
| Tak | sure? | 21:40 |
| lcuk_3 | what did you install before it blew | 21:40 |
| * lcuk_3 wants to know to stay away from it | 21:41 | |
| elb | nothing since the last reboot that worked fine | 21:41 |
| gratz|home | opera works | 21:41 |
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| pupnik | Tak http://pupnik.de/fceu - is sound smoother for you? | 21:42 |
| gratz|home | wow os2008 looks much nicer | 21:44 |
| gratz|home | :D | 21:44 |
| LastLemming | what it's fceu? | 21:45 |
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| jott | hm anyone using abiword on os2008? i wonder why it's in german, even though the device language is english.. | 21:45 |
| Tak | pupnik: is this a chinook build? | 21:45 |
| LastLemming | where you get abiword? | 21:45 |
| LastLemming | for os2008 | 21:45 |
| LastLemming | I want to install abiword too | 21:45 |
| pupnik | Tak yes, technically. | 21:46 |
| jott | LastLemming: build from svn source | 21:46 |
| Tak | LastLemming: fceu is a NES emulator | 21:46 |
| ds3 | guess this is the wrong time for the mapper folks. back later | 21:46 |
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| pupnik | Tak sdl-sound.c reports "Buffer size: 192 sample frames" which .. seems to get set in sexyal/drivers/...? esd.c? | 21:47 |
| Tak | yes | 21:48 |
| lcuk_3 | elb, looks like your only route out is reflashing | 21:48 |
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| elb | lcuk_3: ... for the third time in two days, for the SAME ISSUE | 21:49 |
| elb | it really isn't acceptable to have to reflash every fourth or fifth time I turn it off :-P | 21:49 |
| DanielLion | wow thats odd | 21:50 |
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| lcuk_3 | i havent needed to reflash since i got mine, are you setting anything up which may be getting in the way - extended memory on flash or symlinks to flash or something like that | 21:50 |
| lcuk_3 | for it to survive a flash its gotta be either a mem stick problem or an actual hardware fault | 21:51 |
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| Tak | pupnik: can't run the binary (bora/chinook conflict) | 21:51 |
| Tak | I really need to get around to flashing 2008HE | 21:51 |
| pupnik | oh sry | 21:51 |
| * Tak shrugs | 21:51 | |
| pupnik | is only for omap2420 | 21:51 |
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| elb | lcuk_3: no such links | 21:52 |
| elb | it acts like a software problem in the boot sequence | 21:52 |
| Tak | it's linked against the chinook dbus | 21:52 |
| Tak | not your fault | 21:52 |
| Tak | no way around it | 21:53 |
| lcuk_3 | i gather that elb, but if its coming from a standard flash then it sounds like a hardware problem | 21:53 |
| elb | there are at least two people out there having the same problem I do | 21:53 |
| lcuk_3 | is it 810 or 800 | 21:54 |
| elb | I suspect software | 21:54 |
| elb | 810 | 21:54 |
| lcuk_3 | any extra mem stick | 21:54 |
| elb | no | 21:54 |
| lcuk_3 | might it be an idea (temporarily) to clear down the built in memory of all your stuff and seeing what happens - you are right, it might be entirely software but if its something like the media scanner getting in a muddle because of a corrupt file | 21:55 |
| lcuk_3 | i remember windows explorer getting stuck with random files and not letting you delete them and sticking on 100% | 21:56 |
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| elb | surely it can boot without the media scanner finishing its job :-P | 21:56 |
| elb | (I mean, that might be it ... but daggone) | 21:57 |
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| lcuk_3 | that media scanner gets into a tizz about other things but in absense of anything else: you already did a clean flash very recently, you have no extra hardware, its happened multiple times - the only reasonable things to suspect are something like corrupt media files or damaged hardware | 21:58 |
| pupnik | I have an emotional relationship to sound stuttering like a puppy to a household robot | 21:59 |
| elb | I think I have exactly one media file on it | 21:59 |
| lcuk_3 | one thing though, if it *DOES* work and your problem goes away, it might be an idea to try to find out which file it is | 21:59 |
| lcuk_3 | Nokia 770 porn - your 810 is jealous | 21:59 |
| elb | if I can get it to BOOT, maybe I'll remove it ;-) | 21:59 |
| BTobotras | evening | 22:00 |
| lcuk_3 | as you said you have reflashed a few times in last couple of days, i dont think you can get round it yet, but try to set the auto connect and setup ssh | 22:00 |
| lcuk_3 | so at least if it happens again you might have a way to rescue it in future | 22:00 |
| elb | yeah | 22:01 |
| elb | I have ssh installed, just not an auto connect | 22:01 |
| lcuk_3 | usb networking doesnt work does it | 22:02 |
| lcuk_3 | not that i think it would do much good | 22:02 |
| elb | I don't know, I've never tried it | 22:03 |
| elb | but the tablet doesn't register itself to my PC when I plug it in | 22:03 |
| elb | I really wish I could get a useful string of boot messages | 22:04 |
| elb | I hate boot splashes | 22:04 |
| lcuk_3 | from what i read its not just a cover, they just arent output to screen | 22:05 |
| lcuk_3 | i think dmesg or something is the closest | 22:05 |
| elb | maybe | 22:06 |
| elb | but you have to get a boot to get dmesg ;-) | 22:06 |
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| lcuk_3 | you are stuck in chicken and egg, reflash, remove the media and see what you can build before you reboot | 22:07 |
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| melmoth | Anybody using python and gettext here ? | 22:12 |
| melmoth | playing with setlocales in scratchbox is a bit confusing | 22:12 |
| elb | hah it won't power on at all when plugged into the charger | 22:15 |
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| elb | hmmm apparently R&D mode can make it power through things that would normally freeze the boot | 22:18 |
| elb | or so say the cargo cultists on ITT | 22:18 |
| lcuk_3 | have you tried dropping the battery out for a proper reboot | 22:19 |
| elb | yeah | 22:19 |
| * lcuk_3 throws another damn fine plan out the window | 22:19 | |
| lcuk_3 | so direct the flasher to enable r&d mode but not to do a full reflash | 22:20 |
| elb | unfortunately, I've played with plenty of embedded and special-purpose devices over the years ;-) | 22:20 |
| elb | done did | 22:20 |
| elb | it's booting | 22:20 |
| elb | (and *appears* to be hung at the same place, but R&D boots do seem to take longer) | 22:21 |
| elb | yeah, hung | 22:21 |
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| * elb gives up and re-flashes | 22:22 | |
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| Tama^2 | Hello folks | 22:31 |
| Tama^2 | :) | 22:31 |
| * pupnik gets up off the ground, parries and ripostes | 22:34 | |
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| TrXuk | Hi All | 22:44 |
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| TrXuk | nokia770 running 2007HE - Is there anyway to disable the popup software keyboard (ideally... i only want the keyboard to appear when i push a hardware button... like the home button or the middle button on the navi pad or somethigng) | 22:45 |
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| elb | HAH I found it | 22:54 |
| elb | it's so simple | 22:54 |
| elb | I keep busting up my sudoers | 22:54 |
| elb | adding 'user ALL = (ALL) ALL' is jacking it | 22:54 |
| elb | I b et the boot is waiting for a password | 22:55 |
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| Tak | user ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL | 22:56 |
| elb | yeah ... no thanks | 22:57 |
| elb | I know how sudo works, and that line is not what I want ;-) | 22:57 |
| * Tak shrugs | 22:57 | |
| elb | I don't understand why a final sudoers entry would be (apparently) messing up a NOPASSWD on an earlier entry | 22:58 |
| elb | but ... I'll just ssh root@localhost | 22:58 |
| pupnik | BOB SAGET | 22:58 |
| pupnik | Tak what did you change in esd.c to test different buffer sizes? sdl-sound.c is still reporting 192 sample frames | 22:59 |
| pupnik | in esd.c i hard-set | 22:59 |
| pupnik | buffering->fragcount=32; | 22:59 |
| pupnik | buffering->fragsize=64; | 22:59 |
| Tak | mmm...you are building with --with-esd , right? | 23:00 |
| pupnik | yes- confirmed by the profiling data | 23:00 |
| pupnik | -rw-r--r-- 1 minra minra 388 2008-02-18 15:35 esd.gcda | 23:01 |
| pupnik | is the only one generated | 23:01 |
| Tak | you still have "buffering->totalsize = buffering->fragsize * buffering->fragcount; bufferfree = buffersize = buffering->totalsize; " after that? | 23:02 |
| pupnik | yeah maybe i'm hitting the if(buffering->ms) test and it's resetting me | 23:03 |
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| pupnik | yep it's limited to 24ms | 23:05 |
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| Tak | doh! | 23:06 |
| * Tak => home | 23:06 | |
| pupnik | ok cheers thx | 23:06 |
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| pupnik | ok there are two potential sources of stuttering. one is in the esd sound buffer (increasing that reduces one kind) and the second is a software stutter sound somewhere upstream | 23:11 |
| pupnik | s/potential/actual/ | 23:11 |
| infobot | pupnik meant: ok there are two actual sources of stuttering. one is in the esd sound buffer (increasing that reduces one kind) and the second is a software stutter sound somewhere upstream | 23:11 |
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| __marker | is it possible to change file association for the browser? | 23:21 |
| smackpotato | talking about browsers is it possible to use the d pad to tab to next link on screen as opposed to first link on page | 23:25 |
| smackpotato | like the old opera browser | 23:25 |
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| smackpotato | __marker: i think you can add helper appliations in ~/,mozilla/microb/prefs.js | 23:32 |
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| __marker | thx. i am also playing with links2 and xvkbd. i want to open .pls radio stream | 23:34 |
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| melmoth | any idea where i can find gst-inspect-0.10 ? | 23:42 |
| Navi | :3 | 23:42 |
| lcuk_3 | anyone know if i can make anjuta open a header file i have selected? | 23:42 |
| lcuk_3 | or do i have to browse and find it myself? | 23:42 |
| felipec | melmoth: gstreamer-tools or something like that | 23:42 |
| melmoth | i have it on scratchbox, but i do not find the package on the device | 23:43 |
| __marker | melmoth: apt-cache search gst-inspect | 23:44 |
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| __marker | and then apt-cache policy to locate it | 23:45 |
| melmoth | __marker: nothing on the device :-( | 23:45 |
| __marker | melmoth then you miss some repo cause i have it | 23:45 |
| melmoth | grumble. | 23:45 |
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| melmoth | http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free | 23:55 |
| melmoth | why did i miss this one ? | 23:55 |
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| elb | does leaving a terminal open seem to affect battery life? | 23:56 |
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| lcuk_3 | depends on the wireless connection you use more than having a terminal open i think *dont quote me on that one* | 23:57 |
| lcuk_3 | ad-hoc connections are more power hungry so i heard | 23:57 |
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| elb | those things are entirely unrelated | 23:57 |
| dolske | *grumbl* stupid crashy Colloquy... | 23:57 |
| elb | the only issue with the terminal would be how good it is at not using CPU when it's idle | 23:58 |
| lcuk_3 | oh you mean the actual onboard one | 23:58 |
| elb | oh, yeah, sorry | 23:58 |
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| * lcuk_3 thinks terminal as in ssh remote | 23:58 | |
| elb | not an ssh connection into the device | 23:58 |
| lcuk_3 | is it displayed on screen or minimised? | 23:58 |
| elb | minimized | 23:59 |
| elb | the only reason I ask is that I know that several terminals (xterm, gnome-terminal, etc.) have had idle-ness issues in the past | 23:59 |
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