| tso | so i take it that it may be worth going for 2007he? | 00:03 |
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| sparr | its less stable | 00:03 |
| sparr | and it has package issues | 00:03 |
| tso | well if so then i think ill stay with 2006... | 00:03 |
| sparr | the base HE image has a dpkg inconsistency... youd think someone would fix that before packaging it | 00:03 |
| tso | im getting the feel that 2207he was made to shut the community up about nokia abandoning the 770 to soon... | 00:04 |
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| pupnik | the 770 community hasn't done much for 2007he | 00:05 |
| pupnik | bugreports, development etc | 00:06 |
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| tso | heh, maybe because its useless with the closed up drivers and all... | 00:06 |
| tso | there is also the thing that the 770 was a testbed, not a real consumer device. but with the recent dump of leftover (im guessing thats whats going on) it got a renewed interest from people that passed on if for being to expensive at the time and now was eyeing the N800 | 00:08 |
| pupnik | i can understand them being cautious about a new product approach and business model | 00:10 |
| pupnik | new OS etc | 00:10 |
| roope | It's... ocntinuous development and "a consumer device" are ... well, not always equal. | 00:11 |
| pupnik | guardian i think (or was it the register?) had an epic story on Psion (the company) | 00:11 |
| roope | A general consumer couldn't care less if the platform is under further development. He buys the device for his current needs. | 00:11 |
| pupnik | agree with roope | 00:11 |
| guardian | no i don't ! | 00:12 |
| guardian | :D | 00:12 |
| tso | true that roope. hell, look at non-smartphones. only "recently" have nokia and SE opened for home updating. LG and samsung have yet to do so iirc | 00:12 |
| pupnik | heh... :) that's the definition of a product for most biz folks | 00:12 |
| pupnik | 'here's what it costs, here's what it does, and this is whom we sell it to' | 00:13 |
| sparr | tso: the recent dump was how i got one, and my boss got one, and our office got 6 :) | 00:13 |
| sparr | the 770 at $500 wasnt really a great device | 00:13 |
| sparr | at $130... pretty spiffy | 00:13 |
| tso | also, what does the N800 provide that a phone cant to a consumer? better web? sorry, but for that one need to use the mobile network to fully use. and the operators there wants to bleed the users dry... | 00:13 |
| tso | i know sparr, thats how i got one to | 00:14 |
| sparr | plenty of carriers provide unlimited data plans | 00:14 |
| tso | maybe so sparr | 00:14 |
| roope | unlimited data is coming in a big way really soon. | 00:14 |
| roope | (at least in Europe) | 00:15 |
| tso | im not holding my breath | 00:15 |
| tso | that depends on what part of europe one live it... | 00:15 |
| pupnik | about 45 euro/month for me here for quasi-unlimited | 00:15 |
| roope | Elisa (in Finland) is offering unlimited 384kbit data for 10 euros per month. | 00:15 |
| roope | That's a pretty good deal. | 00:15 |
| tso | my only hope is that someone manage to port webkit or gecko to the 770. opera is driving me ever so slightly nuts | 00:16 |
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| pupnik | is that opera's fault? | 00:16 |
| sparr | i think 2008 is the year of the open handheld/phone | 00:17 |
| tso | i dont know pupnik, i dont know | 00:17 |
| pupnik | lets hope intel doesn't screw it up | 00:17 |
| sparr | n800, openmoko, minione, etc | 00:18 |
| pupnik | i don't either tso - i found some things worked better in 2007he - waiting for the next release | 00:18 |
| tso | ok, nice to know. how is the ajax performance with HE? some pages seems to crawl to a halt... | 00:19 |
| tso | openmoko is interesting as they at least seems determined to use as much open drivers as they can get away with | 00:19 |
| pupnik | i instinctively avoid those kinds of tites | 00:19 |
| pupnik | sites | 00:19 |
| tso | so as long as the hardware works people may update it | 00:19 |
| pupnik | hmm 'bloated tites' | 00:19 |
| tso | heh, same way one at one time would avoid flash and java "enabled" sites? | 00:20 |
| tso | but, back to the anime | 00:20 |
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| pupnik | re konttori | 00:20 |
| pupnik | viva la right-hand-side-button revolution! | 00:21 |
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| saaib | mhh.. | 01:42 |
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| saaib | anyone knows a good video source that can be seen in the 770? | 01:42 |
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| pupnik | joerb | 01:58 |
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| tso | depends on your definition of good i guess ;) | 01:59 |
| tso | youtube can be seen on the 770. just not directly in the browser... | 01:59 |
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| sparr | tso: standalone flash player? | 02:07 |
| tso | more like a standalone youtube player | 02:07 |
| tso | ukmp comes bundled with uktube. a app thats able to take a youtube page url, extract the video, and store it onto the device. then if you have mplayer installed you can fire up mplayer to play the video. | 02:08 |
| tso | i have used it with good results. but be warned that uktube is touchy about the connection and will basically hang if it has problems downloading... | 02:09 |
| tso | i think this is a similar solution to what archos did on their 605wifi media player. as it to can play youtube videos, but only outside the opera browser... | 02:10 |
| gw280 | on maemo I can't seem to find which header gdk_cairo_create is prototyped in | 02:16 |
| gw280 | a recursive grep in /usr/include doesn't turf up anything | 02:16 |
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| saaib | tso, so, how do you get the videos downloaded into 770 from the webpage? | 02:36 |
| tso | copy the youtube page url, paste it into uktube, and hit download ;) | 02:37 |
| saaib | tso, what's the url to download uktube? | 02:38 |
| tso | go look for ukmp, its budled with that | 02:39 |
| nchntr | i use a website called vidconvert, it might be the same thing | 02:39 |
| nchntr | www.bleb.org/services/vidconvert/ | 02:40 |
| tso | hey, thanks. didnt know about that one :P | 02:41 |
| tso | that may be one problem, to find out about all the available solutions... | 02:41 |
| nchntr | can anyone tell me how to get a folder from root to user (owner?) permissions | 02:43 |
| tso | chmod in xterm? | 02:43 |
| nchntr | im trying to get a USB Harddrive mounted in maemo | 02:43 |
| tso | no wait, chown | 02:43 |
| nchntr | it wont let me | 02:43 |
| nchntr | i have be messing with this for almost all day.. | 02:43 |
| saaib | nchntr, try to umount the usb drive as root and the mount it as the user | 02:44 |
| tso | hmm, mount options? dont need to be owned by user if the umask is set correctly iirc | 02:44 |
| nchntr | i create the folders usbhda5 through maemo filemanager, that makes it a drwxr-xr-x user users folder permissions | 02:46 |
| nchntr | i then xterm, sudo gainroot, then mv it to /media/ (my mount location) | 02:46 |
| nchntr | that works fine | 02:46 |
| nchntr | still has user users permissions.. i then ln -s /media/usbhda5 /home/user/MyDocs | 02:47 |
| nchntr | i get a folder there still with user users permissions i can see from maemo apps, i can even mkdir and save to | 02:48 |
| nchntr | i clear that out and in a root term i mount -t vfat /dev/usbhda5 /media/usbhda5 | 02:49 |
| nchntr | then the dir goes to root root permissions | 02:49 |
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| nchntr | i am assuming i need to chmod back to user or users? and what would the switches be? | 02:49 |
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| tso | hmm, slap "-0 uid=user" (no quotes) or something on the mount command | 02:50 |
| mmlj4 | so what's the deal? what is the latest OS I can put on my 770? or can/should I apt-get dist-upgrade instead? | 02:51 |
| sp3000 | -o usually, no? | 02:51 |
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| tso | crap wrong key and didnt notice :P | 02:52 |
| tso | thanks sp3000 | 02:52 |
| mmlj4 | s the 2007 hacker edition what I want? | 02:52 |
| nchntr | so something like mount -t vfat -o uid=user /dev/sda5 /media/usbhda5 | 02:53 |
| nchntr | invalid arguement | 02:54 |
| tso | ah, silly me, it wants the numeric one... | 02:57 |
| sp3000 | it probably wants a numeric uid | 02:57 |
| nchntr | hmm ok i used uid=29999 (like the mmc1 uses) that worked, but now dir permissions are user root | 02:57 |
| tso | maybe go with umask=777 instead? or would that remove all permissions? i allways forget as the umask thing is very "backwards"... | 02:58 |
| nchntr | sweet that did it.. the uid=29999 | 02:59 |
| nchntr | yeah.. now i have rw access to my ext drives... now to get them to work in fstab or to find a script executer... | 02:59 |
| nchntr | opening a terminal and gaining root and command mounting them will be a pita everytime | 03:00 |
| tso | leafpad fstab? | 03:00 |
| tso | i guess the problem then is, do they mount in the same place all the time? | 03:00 |
| nchntr | i have tried that dozens of times, it doesnt work | 03:01 |
| nchntr | the information is there but the mount isnt | 03:01 |
| nchntr | i even copied the line for the mmc1 and changed paths and (so the spacing will be the same) no affect | 03:02 |
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| tso | i dont think witespace (as long as one stays away form tab) in most linux config files are not that important | 03:03 |
| tso | err, one to many negatives in that line, sorry | 03:04 |
| nchntr | u mean the # of spaces isnt critical | 03:04 |
| tso | well thats a different story ;) | 03:06 |
| tso | but i think its way above time of me to find the bed... | 03:06 |
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| nchntr | where u at? its only 8 pm here (Florida,USA) | 03:10 |
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| setite | no wpa2?? | 03:22 |
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| setite | nvm | 03:25 |
| setite | forgot i had the password from a diff router input | 03:25 |
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| timelyx | pupnik: it sounds like a backport for the 770 might be possible next week | 03:51 |
| timelyx | a coworker got it working last week. there were a couple of api changes to deal w/ :( | 03:51 |
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| timelyx | sparr: i've used the oqo model 2 keyboard, it's actually quite nice | 03:53 |
| timelyx | especially in contrast to just about every other mobile keyboard i've ussed | 03:53 |
| timelyx | s/ss/s/ | 03:53 |
| infobot | timelyx meant: especially in contrast to just about every other mobile keyboard i've used | 03:53 |
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| timelyx | Fatal: err, afaiu /etc/localtime is the way maemo handles location | 03:56 |
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| timelyx | Fatal: only problem i know of is that by default the system is in helsinki even though TZ isn't | 03:57 |
| timelyx | Fatal: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/osso-clock-1.3.49/src/settimezone.c#26 shows that clock uses it | 03:58 |
| timelyx | the bit about the device shipping by default in a broken time zone, we noticed last week | 03:58 |
| timelyx | (should be a bug filed internally) | 03:58 |
| timelyx | not sure if i can find that "feature" in sardine, it's probably there /somewhere/ | 03:59 |
| _Monkey | Hmm. No matches for that, timelyx. | 03:59 |
| timelyx | eh? | 03:59 |
| timelyx | /noticed/ | 03:59 |
| erstazi | heh | 04:00 |
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| timelyx | stupid ohloh | 04:12 |
| timelyx | anyone here know how to report a duplicate project? | 04:12 |
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| Luria | quiet tonight, huh. | 04:15 |
| saaib | nchntr, you're lokking for a script to automount your usb drive? just add the mount point to /etc/ftion, that way you don't worry about permissions | 04:15 |
| saaib | 6:12 pm here and there is still light | 04:16 |
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| nchntr | i dont have /etc/ftion | 04:24 |
| saaib | nchntr, sorry, that supposed to be /etc/fstab | 04:25 |
| nchntr | yea i tried that, it doesnt work | 04:25 |
| timelyx | _Monkey: shut up is <reply> | 04:25 |
| _Monkey | OK, timelyx. | 04:26 |
| nchntr | plus i wanted to be able to do it at anytime, mount/umount with a button or menu or i was hoping to write a script and use ieda to launch | 04:26 |
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| timelyx | Jaffa: i think filing bugs into bugs.maemo for tableeteers is better than nothing | 04:29 |
| timelyx | at least people will see it. if you cc me, i'll try to hunt down someone | 04:29 |
| saaib | nchntr, you're saying that something like: | 04:31 |
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| saaib | echo -e "/dev/sda1 \t /mnt/usb_drive \t auto \t user,defaults \t 0 0" >> /etc/fstab | 04:32 |
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| saaib | and then as the user (not root) running: mount /mnt/usb_drive does not work? | 04:32 |
| saaib | (of course, you need to create that dir before) | 04:33 |
| nchntr | i cant run mount as user | 04:33 |
| timelyx | nchntr: vfat doesn't have ownership permissions | 04:33 |
| saaib | and change the device (sda1) name for the one your systems uses | 04:33 |
| _Monkey | saaib: that doesn't look right | 04:33 |
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| Luria | sunset here is about 7:45 these days | 04:33 |
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| timelyx | nchntr: did you find a gid param for mount? :) | 04:34 |
| saaib | nchntr, stat `which mount` | 04:34 |
| saaib | change the permissions if needed, If that's not possible, then you'll have to just wrap up what you already did on a script to be run as root | 04:35 |
| _Monkey | saaib: that doesn't look right | 04:35 |
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| nchntr | i used uid=29999 and it works | 04:36 |
| nchntr | but i have to be root and i need a script for that? right? sudo gainroot <enter> mount -t vfat .... | 04:36 |
| Fatal | timelyx: the link you showed me shows just that it does _not_ use /etc/timezone | 04:37 |
| Fatal | timelyx: it's just old cruft laying about | 04:38 |
| timelyx | how so? | 04:38 |
| Fatal | how not so? | 04:39 |
| timelyx | 26 #define LOCALTIME_FILE "/etc/localtime" | 04:39 |
| Fatal | yes | 04:39 |
| timelyx | 59 static gboolean _set_timezone(const gchar* timezone) | 04:39 |
| Fatal | yes | 04:39 |
| Fatal | are you tired? | 04:39 |
| timelyx | 84 /* link new */ | 04:39 |
| timelyx | 85 error = symlink(newlink, LOCALTIME_TEMP); | 04:39 |
| Fatal | yes | 04:39 |
| timelyx | it's 4am | 04:39 |
| timelyx | 93 /* Unlink the old link */ | 04:39 |
| timelyx | 94 error = rename(LOCALTIME_TEMP, LOCALTIME_FILE); | 04:39 |
| Fatal | /etc/localtime != /etc/timezone | 04:40 |
| Fatal | I keep saying, /etc/timezone is just old cruft laying around | 04:40 |
| timelyx | ah | 04:40 |
| timelyx | looks too close to me :) | 04:40 |
| timelyx | hrm | 04:41 |
| Fatal | and what ever user brought it up yesterday SHOULD have read the actual forum posting he was refering to, where the reporter EXPLAINS that altering /etc/timezone does infact NOT solve his problem with gpe-calendar | 04:41 |
| timelyx | heh | 04:42 |
| Fatal | AND just grabbing your run of the mill debian system and simply grepping THROUGH THE ENTIRE disk will show you _ONE_ file that use it, tzdata's dpkg configure scripts | 04:42 |
| Fatal | the file is junk and should be thrown away | 04:42 |
| Fatal | now, it's 4am here aswell and I will go to bed. | 04:42 |
| timelyx | sleep well | 04:42 |
| timelyx | sorry :) | 04:42 |
| Fatal | will do, and no worries, I always get worked up late at night :) | 04:43 |
| Fatal | nn | 04:44 |
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| W_I | btw, has any1 tried to install dosemu on ITOSxxxx? | 04:51 |
| timelyx | Found 525 matching lines in 134 files | 04:51 |
| timelyx | timezone | 04:51 |
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| Luria | oh lord save me. thank you for the wifi connection, but did it have to be next to a left wing looney? | 05:29 |
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| zodttd | anything new pupnik? | 05:38 |
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| Luria | thank god for the new microb. | 05:50 |
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| zodttd | wb pupnik_ | 05:54 |
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| MobileSim | Did I end up with a repository I shouldn't have, or is MicroB available for the 770 now? | 07:15 |
| Luria | wow. if microb runs on 770, im getting one for shits and giggles. | 07:19 |
| saaib | speaking of which, the 770 only has 2 repo, which one should I add for official maemo releases? | 07:19 |
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| Guest7210 | can anyone give me some VNC maemo advice? | 10:51 |
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| crazyjimbo | I am trying to use VNC on a local network | 10:54 |
| crazyjimbo | but I can't connect when I use the local IP (192.168.1.2 etc) | 10:54 |
| kulve | I tried it once and didn't have any problems.. | 10:55 |
| crazyjimbo | I simply get unable to connect | 10:55 |
| crazyjimbo | connection failed to be precise | 10:56 |
| kulve | are you trying to connect to a vnc server on some desktop computer using the vnc client on your 770/n800? | 10:56 |
| crazyjimbo | yup | 10:56 |
| kulve | can you connect using a vnc client on some desktop computer? To make sure the vnc server is running properl.. | 10:57 |
| kulve | +y | 10:57 |
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| crazyjimbo | with the local ip? | 10:58 |
| kulve | yes | 10:58 |
| crazyjimbo | i only have 1 PC | 10:58 |
| kulve | hmm.. That makes the testing a bit harder.. | 10:58 |
| kulve | linux? | 10:58 |
| _Monkey | linux is a free kernel thats inside most open source operating systems today and its a core technology for Maemo | 10:58 |
| UKP2 | has anyone bought navicore for their 770 or n800 from the online navicore website? | 10:59 |
| crazyjimbo | im gonna reboot and try again | 10:59 |
| crazyjimbo | brb | 10:59 |
| kulve | crazyjimbo: try connecting to vnc server with telnet to see it is running.. | 10:59 |
| kulve | you can test that from the vnc server computer and from the n800 (assuming you have telnet there.. | 11:00 |
| kulve | ) | 11:00 |
| crazyjimbo | cant telnet | 11:00 |
| crazyjimbo | port 23 error | 11:00 |
| kulve | on the vnc server computer: telnet localhost <vnc port> | 11:01 |
| crazyjimbo | so you say to telnet from the PC to its own ip? | 11:01 |
| kulve | yep, to make sure the vnc server is listening.. But I don't remember what's the vnc port.. | 11:01 |
| crazyjimbo | 5900 | 11:02 |
| crazyjimbo | I got a license error | 11:02 |
| crazyjimbo | SO | 11:02 |
| crazyjimbo | that is the answer! | 11:02 |
| kulve | the linux telnet is good for testing if somebody is listening.. :) | 11:02 |
| crazyjimbo | lol | 11:03 |
| crazyjimbo | cool | 11:03 |
| kulve | if the port is not telnet port, then the telnet skips telnet negotiation and just makes a tcp connection on the given port | 11:03 |
| crazyjimbo | gonna reinstall vnc | 11:03 |
| crazyjimbo | is f*cked | 11:03 |
| kulve | hmm.. I have tightvncserver and vnc4server installed. Can't remember which one I tried.. | 11:05 |
| crazyjimbo | I just found VNC Enterprise Edition 4.1.3 | 11:06 |
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| pupnik | surprised i haven't seen nxclient for maemo yet | 11:28 |
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| jonnylamb | pupnik: http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2007/02/18/nx-and-the-nokia-770 | 11:31 |
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| pupnik | thanks | 11:34 |
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| konttori | pupnik: are you around? | 11:47 |
| pupnik | yah | 11:48 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:17 |
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| Okko_ | Anyone here using Pidgin on N800? | 12:41 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, check it out MYpaint deviation. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1121/1091006421_22dbd214b4.jpg?v=0 | 13:19 |
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| pupnik | nice | 13:24 |
| unique311 | just found an awesome brush...that gave the sun the burn look | 13:27 |
| pupnik | It does look nice. But for reasons derf mentioned, I'm more partial to a C/C++ app. When mtpaint/rgbpaint gets alpha blended brushes, i'll get back into it. | 13:28 |
| unique311 | its python and c now.. | 13:30 |
| unique311 | for mypaint | 13:30 |
| unique311 | not sure about mt and rgb | 13:30 |
| unique311 | same developer.. | 13:30 |
| unique311 | send him an email.. | 13:30 |
| pupnik | we've been chatting in email. no python in mtpaint | 13:31 |
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| pupnik | i probably won't get around to learning more gtk/hildon until 2008. sdl is all i can handle to think about right now. | 13:32 |
| unique311 | when the choice comes to running ubuntu embed on MMC, i think then running these draw/paint/sketch apps will be fun | 13:33 |
| unique311 | much better http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1016/1091129561_7782dd067f.jpg?v=0 | 13:35 |
| unique311 | what you think? | 13:36 |
| unique311 | looks like a happy sunshine. | 13:36 |
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| timelyx | MyPaint needs an icon | 13:41 |
| timelyx | and it really needs to be hildonized :) | 13:41 |
| unique311 | i got the icons.. | 13:42 |
| unique311 | i worked on a deb pack last night.. | 13:42 |
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| unique311 | it does timelyx, want the job? | 13:42 |
| konttori | pupnik: what did you mean by the right-hand-side-button revolution? | 13:43 |
| pupnik | i saw you mentioning that it would be nice to have a few buttons on the right hand side | 13:43 |
| timelyx | heh | 13:43 |
| konttori | pupnik: Yeah. it would rock | 13:43 |
| timelyx | no, i'm not a fan of anything gtk related | 13:44 |
| timelyx | and hildon is a gtk derivative | 13:44 |
| unique311 | mypaint is python more than gtk | 13:44 |
| konttori | I still think that alternative would the to have shoulder buttons for selection. It would take less room that way. | 13:44 |
| * pupnik is fanatical about buttons for the right hand | 13:45 | |
| timelyx | unique311: i prefer to write guis in XUL+JS not Python | 13:45 |
| konttori | shoulder A on the left side and shoulder B on the right side. | 13:45 |
| timelyx | you mean modern gameboy style? | 13:45 |
| pupnik | yes two shoulder on right hand side could also work ok, but when i hold the device, the proper place is under my thumb | 13:45 |
| unique311 | xul+js | 13:45 |
| timelyx | xul is XML-based User Interface Language. XUL (pronounced "zuul") is the user interface description language used for creating user interfaces with Mozilla's Cross Platform Front End. http://mozilla.org/xpfe/xptoolkit/xulintro.html or application/vnd.mozilla.xul+xml - A good introduction/tutorial is at http://www.xulplanet.com. see XUL1.0. or http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/ | 13:46 |
| unique311 | timelyx, you a web dev? | 13:46 |
| timelyx | unique311: um, depends which hat i wear when | 13:46 |
| timelyx | i write my own rss/atom, roll my own generator, write my own blogs | 13:46 |
| timelyx | i write patches for bugzilla/bonsai/mxr/tinderbox/despot (cgi) | 13:47 |
| timelyx | i write patches to mozilla core (c++) | 13:47 |
| timelyx | i write patches to xul based apps (xul, js) | 13:47 |
| timelyx | sometimes i'm forced to use css ... | 13:47 |
| timelyx | and i'll generally hunt bugs through any layer as long as i can get the sources into a cross reference | 13:48 |
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| guardian | hi | 13:49 |
| unique311 | i can use dreamweaver somewhat... | 13:49 |
| unique311 | is that good timelyx? | 13:49 |
| timelyx | i avoid dreamweaver/photoshop | 13:50 |
| unique311 | lol | 13:50 |
| timelyx | i have been known to use psp to make alternate theme mockups | 13:50 |
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| timelyx | and in past lives i've made my own icon sets and translations for various apps | 13:50 |
| timelyx | a couple of years ago, i insisted that i didn't do DB/SQL work | 13:50 |
| timelyx | that was a lie | 13:50 |
| timelyx | i've also claimed not to do layout work, but i'm the webkit (?) credits for doing just that | 13:51 |
| unique311 | n800 owner? | 13:51 |
| timelyx | does having one in a sealed box count? :) | 13:51 |
| timelyx | i own a 770 :) | 13:52 |
| timelyx | the rest of my n800s are technically owned by nokia :) | 13:52 |
| unique311 | ok | 13:52 |
| timelyx | i'm a heavy user though :) | 13:52 |
| unique311 | you work for them | 13:53 |
| timelyx | yes | 13:53 |
| unique311 | let me air out then.. | 13:53 |
| unique311 | seriously need a team to hildon apps for people like me who no nothing of doing so. | 13:53 |
| * timelyx chuckles | 13:54 | |
| unique311 | get headaches from even trying to do so. | 13:54 |
| timelyx | has no one done hildon bindings for python? | 13:54 |
| timelyx | i'm a browser engineer, you have my sympathies | 13:54 |
| timelyx | but i'm not the person you want to talk to | 13:54 |
| unique311 | guess konttori disq trevarthan | 13:54 |
| timelyx | for python, at least the app menu stuff should be trivial assuming bindings | 13:55 |
| timelyx | the status line in hildon style would be an infobanner | 13:55 |
| timelyx | oh, unlike most people you'll meet, i actually read specifications | 13:55 |
| timelyx | and while i'm not guaranteed to be able to quote them, i probably do know them better than their authors (having read them in their entirety and more recently) | 13:56 |
| unique311 | but all this makes sense to i guess someone with a developers background. | 13:56 |
| timelyx | i also care about consistency (and spot really tiny details) | 13:56 |
| timelyx | anyway, i suppose at some point i'll blog explaining who our team members are | 13:57 |
| timelyx | once i figure out if i'm allowed to say who they are | 13:57 |
| timelyx | we have some problems in that area | 13:57 |
| timelyx | but first i need to file a bunch of rss/atom bugs :( | 13:58 |
| unique311 | any reason why you are still using the 770? | 13:58 |
| timelyx | too many installed apps | 13:59 |
| timelyx | no clear upgrade path | 13:59 |
| timelyx | safety in knowing work won't force me to destroy my data | 13:59 |
| timelyx | very hard to confuse it w/ my other devices and accidentally flash it | 13:59 |
| timelyx | i don't actually use it that often | 14:00 |
| timelyx | but those are the reasons | 14:00 |
| timelyx | it's not because the usb behavior is better | 14:00 |
| timelyx | (which it is, or at least was) | 14:00 |
| unique311 | i was thinking that was why | 14:00 |
| timelyx | or because some of the video things actually got worse w/ n800 hardware | 14:00 |
| unique311 | usb host mode | 14:00 |
| timelyx | (which they sorta did) | 14:00 |
| unique311 | you work for them.. | 14:01 |
| timelyx | because to be honest, i only use video for demos and haven't done a demo of video since maybe february | 14:01 |
| unique311 | you think you should be saying all this on a public channel like this | 14:01 |
| timelyx | i'm aware it's a logged public channel | 14:01 |
| timelyx | these aren't really secrets | 14:01 |
| timelyx | imagine having 5 devices w/ no way to distinguish them | 14:02 |
| timelyx | you're going to accidentally flash the wrong one | 14:02 |
| timelyx | believe me, i'm pretty sure i did thursday or friday :( | 14:02 |
| timelyx | or at least, i tried to, maybe i forgot to actually do it :) | 14:02 |
| timelyx | as for the usb stuff, that's also well known | 14:02 |
| timelyx | oh, the other thing was that media player in n800 did get worse in some ways | 14:03 |
| unique311 | don't use it | 14:03 |
| timelyx | but don't ask me which, i don't really use it much and can't remember | 14:03 |
| timelyx | i think they're supposed to be fixing some of that stuff | 14:03 |
| unique311 | i use kagu to play my music now.. | 14:03 |
| timelyx | personally i used rhapsody while i could | 14:04 |
| timelyx | and have no interest otherwise | 14:04 |
| unique311 | i would like a nice hildon'd paint app | 14:04 |
| unique311 | sketch | 14:04 |
| unique311 | doesn't matter | 14:04 |
| timelyx | i want either rhapsody, or just the ability to play mp3s | 14:04 |
| timelyx | anything can do the latter | 14:04 |
| timelyx | and well, basically only rhapsody does the former | 14:04 |
| unique311 | rhapsody.. | 14:04 |
| pupnik | some on-line music service i think | 14:05 |
| unique311 | its in the garage? | 14:05 |
| timelyx | no | 14:05 |
| unique311 | yes | 14:05 |
| timelyx | it's a real.com product | 14:05 |
| timelyx | or rather, err | 14:05 |
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| timelyx | this is a nokia n800 branded port of a real.com product? | 14:05 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 14:05 | |
| timelyx | subscription based | 14:05 |
| timelyx | no, i'm not a free software zealot | 14:05 |
| unique311 | ok | 14:05 |
| timelyx | i'm a pragmatist | 14:06 |
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| timelyx | anyway, i'm hoping that i've convinced someone internally how to deal w/ sketch | 14:07 |
| timelyx | (which is approximately: take it out back and shoot it) | 14:07 |
| __Andreas__ | hello everyone | 14:07 |
| unique311 | yes | 14:07 |
| timelyx | but i can't really say much beyond that w/o knowing their actual plans | 14:07 |
| timelyx | and i probably couldn't say more until they finished and shipped | 14:07 |
| unique311 | they should work on something like mypaint rgb or mt | 14:07 |
| unique311 | those are wonderful apps.. | 14:07 |
| unique311 | mypaint is really good | 14:07 |
| timelyx | i recommended something else, but i'm not really in touch w/ those people | 14:08 |
| timelyx | (heck, i can't remember who they are :) | 14:08 |
| unique311 | it has touch sensitivity | 14:08 |
| __Andreas__ | does anyone know where to download the latest gtreamer for n770? | 14:08 |
| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBu7srp0WPs | 14:09 |
| unique311 | heres a video i made..sucks | 14:09 |
| unique311 | the video really sucks | 14:09 |
| timelyx | have you seen: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability | 14:11 |
| timelyx | hrm wrong thing | 14:11 |
| pupnik | my camera doesn't want to focus on lcd screens | 14:11 |
| timelyx | actually, no, it has the right thing near the very bottom | 14:11 |
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| timelyx | hrm | 14:14 |
| unique311 | and this is going to help me hildonize mypaint? | 14:14 |
| timelyx | dunno | 14:14 |
| timelyx | never used it :) | 14:14 |
| unique311 | the video was taken with my ppc6700 | 14:14 |
| __Andreas__ | no idea of gstreamer? :( | 14:14 |
| * timelyx is downloading the sources for hildon and friends now | 14:14 | |
| unique311 | 1.3 mp | 14:14 |
| timelyx | __Andreas__: downloads.maemo.org isn't helpful? | 14:15 |
| unique311 | gstreamer | 14:15 |
| __Andreas__ | not found the binaries | 14:15 |
| __Andreas__ | need it for the new modplug streamer plugin | 14:15 |
| __Andreas__ | which doesnt work without new gstremer | 14:16 |
| unique311 | redpill mode | 14:16 |
| _Monkey | redpill mode is at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationManagerRedPillMode | 14:16 |
| pupnik | apt-cache search gstreamer | 14:16 |
| pupnik | you can install libs in appmanager? nice | 14:16 |
| unique311 | don't you need to be in red pill mode? | 14:17 |
| pupnik | i guess so | 14:17 |
| pupnik | i prefer apt tools | 14:17 |
| timelyx | i think that you can install individual files w/o redpill | 14:18 |
| timelyx | but if you want to see a lib from a repo you'd need redpill | 14:18 |
| __Andreas__ | tried apt-get install gstreamer-tools | 14:20 |
| guardian | isn't red pill required to install packages that are not in user/SOMETHING section ? | 14:20 |
| __Andreas__ | installed something, but modplayer doesnt work at all | 14:20 |
| * timelyx grumbles | 14:22 | |
| pupnik | modplayer for amiga mods? | 14:22 |
| timelyx | whose stupid idea was it to create 0 byte README files for debian systems? | 14:22 |
| __Andreas__ | yes | 14:22 |
| pupnik | the packager is supposed to fill in the readme | 14:22 |
| __Andreas__ | its new on maemo.org | 14:22 |
| pupnik | ok i will install it | 14:22 |
| timelyx | http://www.thinkgeek.com/brain/whereisit.cgi?t=tater&cpg=33H :) | 14:25 |
| pupnik | something is borked with synergy + xim + opera - can't type into url field | 14:25 |
| __Andreas__ | on maemo.org theres written its a gstreamer plugin | 14:25 |
| pupnik | but when i open a 2nd opera window, i can type into the address field | 14:25 |
| __Andreas__ | therefor it should work with the built in audio player on 770, right? | 14:25 |
| pupnik | i looking __Andreas__ | 14:26 |
| __Andreas__ | great ;) | 14:26 |
| pupnik | can not click on maemo.org link to modplug tracker: Unable to complete secure transaction: http://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1254 | 14:27 |
| kulve | pupnik: the page says: | 14:27 |
| kulve | Also available now in this repo: | 14:27 |
| kulve | deb http://download.talinux.tal.org/pub/maemo scirocco free | 14:27 |
| pupnik | ok ty | 14:27 |
| pupnik | scirocco - so old? | 14:28 |
| __Andreas__ | yes added it to my repository list in the programmmanager | 14:28 |
| kulve | then it should get the new gst too from there.. | 14:28 |
| __Andreas__ | nope... sorry | 14:28 |
| konttori | unique311: do you still need help? | 14:31 |
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| unique311 | need help? | 14:34 |
| unique311 | no | 14:34 |
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| pupnik | that xhyperoid game is kinda fun | 14:37 |
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| frade | hello | 14:48 |
| pupnik | that mod plugin doesn't register mod or .MOD for the audio player | 14:48 |
| frade | where are defined the gettext messages used in maemo applications like _("ai_me_view")? | 14:49 |
| frade | i want to use the "select all" message, but i don't know the "standard key" | 14:50 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_localization_bora.html <- you have read this? | 14:52 |
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| pupnik | gst-launch-0.10 dsppcmsrc ! dsppcmsink | 15:01 |
| pupnik | turn your 770 into an echo box :P | 15:01 |
| pupnik | hiLarious :) | 15:01 |
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| pupnik | at volume over 70% the feedback is >1.0 here though | 15:03 |
| pupnik | also a great prank to play on someone if you ever can ssh to their device :) | 15:07 |
| pupnik | onion, you around? i'd like to reverse the dpad mapping on xhyperoid - also sounds would be nice | 15:13 |
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| cbx33 | hey all | 16:00 |
| cbx33 | what's the best compression/res/framerate/mediaplayer for maximum compression for the n800?? | 16:00 |
| cbx33 | i know it's a tradeoff | 16:01 |
| cbx33 | i just want a decent looking video with the smallest size | 16:01 |
| pupnik | xvid | 16:02 |
| pupnik | ... is the best i've found | 16:03 |
| cbx33 | does the media player that ships play xvid? | 16:03 |
| cbx33 | i ws using mplayer | 16:03 |
| pupnik | i use mplayer | 16:03 |
| cbx33 | but i wondered if the default on also uses mplayer | 16:03 |
| cbx33 | ahhh ok | 16:03 |
| cbx33 | what about framerates? | 16:03 |
| cbx33 | sound quality? | 16:04 |
| cbx33 | compression ratio | 16:04 |
| cbx33 | for example.....if i wanted to fit a 25 min piece of video | 16:04 |
| cbx33 | what kinda size would you expect? | 16:04 |
| cbx33 | and what res would you use? - I tried 640x480 which looks ok.... | 16:05 |
| cbx33 | I remember on my old dell axim i ran a film at 320x240 | 16:05 |
| cbx33 | cos that was the screen size and it looked fine | 16:05 |
| pupnik | for mplayer use ???x240 | 16:06 |
| cbx33 | ok | 16:06 |
| pupnik | i get 25 minute tv shows into about 70-80 MB | 16:06 |
| cbx33 | cos the 220 dpi is a double edged sword really ;) | 16:07 |
| cbx33 | right ok | 16:07 |
| cbx33 | thanks pupnik | 16:07 |
| cbx33 | that's what I was hoping for | 16:07 |
| cbx33 | what do you use to do it? | 16:07 |
| pupnik | mencoder on linux | 16:07 |
| cbx33 | dvdrip is nice | 16:07 |
| cbx33 | got an example command line for me to use? | 16:07 |
| cbx33 | would be really helpful! | 16:08 |
| pupnik | http://www.bleb.org/software/770/770-encode.pl | 16:08 |
| pupnik | that has some good settings | 16:08 |
| pupnik | but it uses mpeg4 divx | 16:09 |
| pupnik | i think xvid looks better | 16:09 |
| cbx33 | right | 16:09 |
| pupnik | also i do lots of tweaking for animation/cartoons | 16:09 |
| cbx33 | pupnik I'm really interested in that too | 16:09 |
| cbx33 | as a lot of what i want is animated | 16:09 |
| cbx33 | any chance of sharing your technique? | 16:10 |
| pupnik | gimme a minute | 16:10 |
| cbx33 | awesome | 16:10 |
| cbx33 | thanks dude | 16:10 |
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| pupnik | trying to find the best one - i made a couple of mistakes on the version i have here | 16:12 |
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| cbx33 | ok | 16:14 |
| cbx33 | pupnik thanks a lot for this | 16:14 |
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| cbx33 | can't wait to get some decent media on my nokia | 16:20 |
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| pupnik | yeah i was messing with this stuff for a couple of weeks | 16:21 |
| cbx33 | aweomse | 16:21 |
| pupnik | testing now to make sure i'm not screwing up | 16:21 |
| cbx33 | coool | 16:21 |
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| pupnik | fixing my library problems | 16:22 |
| cbx33 | is it quicker than dvdrip? | 16:22 |
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| pupnik | the options i pick are very slow | 16:23 |
| pupnik | oh and two pass encoding gives better results than this | 16:23 |
| cbx33 | as long as it produces small/high quality | 16:24 |
| cbx33 | cool | 16:24 |
| cbx33 | can you put that in asd an option | 16:24 |
| cbx33 | so i know how to do it | 16:24 |
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| pupnik | that will be left as an "exercise to the reader" | 16:25 |
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| xzcvczx | is usb networking working a windows host currently? | 16:27 |
| cbx33 | ok thanks pupnik | 16:29 |
| cbx33 | did it test ok? | 16:31 |
| pupnik | heh you got me into a testing/tweaking loop here | 16:33 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 16:33 |
| cbx33 | cool | 16:33 |
| cbx33 | I'm at the inlaws at the mo | 16:33 |
| pupnik | moer screwups - | 16:34 |
| cbx33 | and may have to go..... if so any chance you can mail it to..... silentkeystroke@googlemail.com | 16:34 |
| cbx33 | heheeh | 16:34 |
| cbx33 | sorry. I was hoping to be here | 16:34 |
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| pupnik | cbx33: here's the best i got so far with xvid codec -- the lavc codec claims to be good too, trying to compare now | 16:42 |
| pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/654475 | 16:42 |
| pupnik | 770-encode.pl uses lavc and vcodec=mpeg4. Now i really don't know if that's better or worse than xvid. Last i recall i was getting better compression though slightly artificially smoothed surfaces with xvid | 16:45 |
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| pupnik | greets AD-N770 | 16:46 |
| AD-N770 | hi pupnik | 16:46 |
| pupnik | your nethack port was one of the things that made me realize i needed a 770 | 16:47 |
| cbx33 | coool | 16:48 |
| cbx33 | thanks so much pupnik | 16:48 |
| cbx33 | I'll check that out and be back later | 16:48 |
| pupnik | ok cheers | 16:48 |
| cbx33 | I'll give you a comparison | 16:48 |
| cbx33 | and....possibly write it up in a blog post | 16:48 |
| cbx33 | if you don't mind | 16:48 |
| pupnik | right now crunching a big film down to 200MB and testing | 16:48 |
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| AD-N770 | I bought the 770 for reading eboks, but two weeks after I decided that have nethack on it would be really interesting | 16:50 |
| AD-N770 | nowadays I cannot find time to play with it | 16:50 |
| pupnik | play=code or play=play? | 16:51 |
| AD-N770 | both | 16:51 |
| cbx33 | pupnik how big a film? | 16:55 |
| cbx33 | pupnik do you just add those vf scale and crops to it? | 16:56 |
| pupnik | i tweak the crop and scale individually for each film | 16:57 |
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| pupnik | oops i have lumi_mask in there twice. also you can add 'cartoon' for encoder options, and reduce fps to the actual cartoon fps. also for noisy films, you can pull down the brighness, apply a lumi-mask filter to throw out the dark areas, then bring up the brightness before the encoder portion - helps cut out the noise - on an extreme example i almost totally killed the noise and background on a comedy standup live performance film a | 17:00 |
| cbx33 | oh really? | 17:00 |
| cbx33 | wow | 17:00 |
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| pupnik | gmc, global motion compensation also can save you a lot of bandwidth | 17:02 |
| cbx33 | ok | 17:02 |
| cbx33 | well i awaitr your golden recipe | 17:02 |
| cbx33 | I'll keep trying and tweaking | 17:02 |
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| cbx33 | see ya later dude | 17:03 |
| cbx33 | thanks so much | 17:03 |
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| pupnik | i think Andrew Flegg's 770-encode.pl script is really good | 17:04 |
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| pupnik | Movie-Aspect is 1.80:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect. | 17:07 |
| pupnik | VO: [nokia770] 400x240 => 432x240 Planar YV12 [fs] [zoom] | 17:07 |
| pupnik | blah | 17:07 |
| pupnik | i want to force it to 400x240 - gotta set the scale to 1.6666667 | 17:08 |
| pupnik | s/scale/aspect | 17:08 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: use the -m-force-aspect -m1.1666666 doohicky | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | Shouldn't be generating videos any bigger than the preset specifies, if it is - it's a bug, so send me more details :) | 17:11 |
| pupnik | oh not using 770-encode.pl right now. have you compared xvidenc to lavc ? | 17:11 |
| pupnik | thanks - fixed the aspect | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: no, better results? | 17:13 |
| pupnik | i'll set up some testcases | 17:14 |
| pupnik | not best visual quality but for high compression i like how xvid smoothes out unintersting textures and noise | 17:15 |
| pupnik | so maybe yes better results | 17:15 |
| pupnik | -vf-add hqdn3d -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=436:me_quality=6:vhq=4:lumi_mask:gmc | 17:16 |
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| disq | lo | 17:25 |
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| pupnik | hi | 17:26 |
| pupnik | :) | 17:26 |
| pupnik | i have to manually crop movies to get the right xvid: par=0/0 (vga11), displayed=400x240, sampled=400x240 | 17:30 |
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| pupnik | disq: seen on bathroom wall: "For a good time, call gst-launch-0.10 dsppcmsrc ! dsppcmsink " | 17:32 |
| _Monkey | I haven't seen 'on', pupnik | 17:32 |
| disq | lol | 17:32 |
| pupnik | i wonder if i could trick xsp into functioning as a hardware page-flipping/double-buffer | 17:35 |
| pupnik | paint to alternating areas and then flip the source rect for xsp | 17:36 |
| disq | to fix tearing? | 17:37 |
| pupnik | no general sdl animation | 17:39 |
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| pupnik | right now i have to composite everything in an sdl buffer, then blit the whole 320x240 rect to the screen | 17:40 |
| pupnik | this would be analogous to a sdl hwsurface | 17:41 |
| pupnik | with double-buf | 17:41 |
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| cbx33 | hey pupnik | 17:46 |
| _Monkey | i heard pupnik was here | 17:46 |
| cbx33 | just about to test it | 17:46 |
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| pupnik | i had to add -vf-add crop=664:400 -vf-add scale=400:240 -force-avi-aspect 400/240 just now. for some reason i can't get xvid to stretch x/y differently | 17:47 |
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| cbx33 | oh i see | 17:48 |
| cbx33 | ok | 17:48 |
| cbx33 | you said about adding comic? | 17:48 |
| cbx33 | where do i add that? | 17:49 |
| pupnik | cartoon goes in the xvidencopts section | 17:50 |
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| cbx33 | pupnik, how do i know what to use for the add crop? | 17:54 |
| pupnik | depends on the size and borders of the source video | 17:55 |
| cbx33 | i see | 17:55 |
| cbx33 | 720x576 | 17:55 |
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| cbx33 | dunno about borders | 17:55 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, will it convert vobs? | 17:59 |
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| pupnik | so if you want the full 720 width from the source, then you crop=720:432 to get the 1.66667 aspect ratio | 17:59 |
| cbx33 | ok | 17:59 |
| cbx33 | then i scale to 400/240 | 18:00 |
| pupnik | yeah | 18:00 |
| cbx33 | cool | 18:00 |
| cbx33 | did you say it would convert vobs? | 18:00 |
| pupnik | no | 18:00 |
| cbx33 | so i have to take an avi? | 18:01 |
| pupnik | no | 18:01 |
| cbx33 | ?? | 18:02 |
| cbx33 | what do i do if I have a vob source? | 18:03 |
| pupnik | man mencoder | 18:04 |
| cbx33 | ok | 18:04 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 18:04 |
| pupnik | (i think i used dvdrip) | 18:04 |
| cbx33 | did you do that | 18:04 |
| cbx33 | to get it to a raw avi? | 18:04 |
| cbx33 | then use your convert on that avi file? | 18:04 |
| pupnik | yeah | 18:04 |
| cbx33 | ok | 18:04 |
| cbx33 | that's what I'll do | 18:05 |
| cbx33 | so when u use dvdrip, what did you rip into? | 18:06 |
| cbx33 | did you still use xvid? or is ther e araw option? | 18:06 |
| pupnik | don't remember what i used | 18:07 |
| cbx33 | ok | 18:08 |
| cbx33 | just make it high quality | 18:08 |
| cbx33 | what kinda kbit/s is good for the hight quality avi? | 18:10 |
| pupnik | yeah, you can also copy over the video without recoding - copy codec | 18:10 |
| cbx33 | cool | 18:10 |
| cbx33 | sounds like you know a lot about this pupnik | 18:10 |
| pupnik | just enough to get by | 18:11 |
| cbx33 | so you can copy the video from the vob to an avi without recoding | 18:11 |
| cbx33 | then perform the compression stage? | 18:11 |
| pupnik | right | 18:11 |
| cbx33 | ok | 18:11 |
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| pupnik | usually i just make a 750 MB version for PC then make a 770 version out of that | 18:13 |
| pupnik | 700-730 actually | 18:13 |
| cbx33 | ok | 18:16 |
| cbx33 | i just did an ovc oac copy | 18:16 |
| cbx33 | and now I'm going to try encoding | 18:16 |
| cbx33 | thanks pupnik | 18:16 |
| pupnik | when you playback check mplayer output to verify that displayed=400x240, sampled=400x240 | 18:17 |
| pupnik | mplayer does very fast scaling if it has to, but it still costs CPU time | 18:18 |
| cbx33 | ok | 18:18 |
| pupnik | doing a 2-pass encoding now ... 8 hours :/ | 18:20 |
| cbx33 | WHAT? | 18:21 |
| cbx33 | for how long a video? | 18:21 |
| cbx33 | can you send me the line you just used? | 18:21 |
| pupnik | 110 minutes | 18:21 |
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| pupnik | msg cbx33 test | 18:21 |
| cbx33 | that's acceptable | 18:21 |
| Mikho | could someone help? The menu I set with hildon_window_set_menu seems to work when the program is run standalone or when run from the application menu, but when I run the program from XTerminal the menu refuses to work with the error: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_menu_shell_insert: assertion failed `GTK_IS_MENU_SHELL (menu_shell)' failed | 18:26 |
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| pupnik | how do you run standalone if not from the Xterminal? | 19:07 |
| Mikho | with run-standalone.sh my program works every time | 19:07 |
| Mikho | now it turned out that when I run with the xterminal, it starts successfully maybe 1 times in 10 | 19:09 |
| Mikho | probably a thread issue... | 19:09 |
| Mikho | oh well | 19:09 |
| pupnik | thanks i didn't know about run-standalone.sh | 19:09 |
| pupnik | i was always just running the executable | 19:10 |
| milhouse | i'm depressed... the quality of questions on ITT forums has gone seiously down hill since the cheap 770 sell off :( | 19:14 |
| milhouse | nothing but edjits trying to dual boot for no particular reason and without a clue how to partition a memory card... argh... | 19:15 |
| sparr | can anyone else confirm that openttd does not run on 2007HE? | 19:18 |
| milhouse | http://openttd.toimii.net/maemo/ ? | 19:18 |
| milhouse | dunno about 2007HE though | 19:19 |
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| milhouse | OS 2006 port here: http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/stuff/maemo/openttd.html | 19:19 |
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| milhouse | OS 2007 version here (patches anwya): http://plaes.org/blog/2007/02/15/openttd-on-n800/ | 19:20 |
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| whaq | took awhile.. but i'll be getting my 2 n800s tomorrow... finally! | 19:24 |
| pupnik | why 2? | 19:24 |
| sparr | milhouse: yes, that one | 19:25 |
| sparr | oh | 19:25 |
| sparr | didnt see patches for n800 | 19:25 |
| whaq | to test skype video cam, etc.. | 19:26 |
| whaq | there are plenty of users here anyway. | 19:26 |
| sparr | :( | 19:26 |
| sparr | no binary :( | 19:26 |
| sparr | this might be an excuse to get a toolchain set up | 19:27 |
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| sparr | !@#*(#@%& | 19:39 |
| sparr | apt-get is segfaulting | 19:39 |
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| sparr | after installing aircrack-ptw | 19:39 |
| sparr | w t f | 19:40 |
| sparr | and after uninstalling it everything is fine | 19:42 |
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| cbx33 | it's pegging it at 100Mb | 19:49 |
| cbx33 | instead of 50Mb | 19:49 |
| saaib | pupnik, I'm going to convert some training (xvidcap), do you know any particular optimizations for the 770? | 19:53 |
| pupnik | the first pass will show as twice as large as final pass - afaik | 19:55 |
| pupnik | saaib: not really - check out 770-encode.pl and don't exceed 400x240 | 19:55 |
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| sparr | tough decision to make... do i keep hacker edition, or do i move back to 2006... HE is better in a few ways, but 2006 has a much bigger community | 20:01 |
| sparr | i think 2006, i can live without the few comforts in HE | 20:02 |
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| pupnik | heh espeak is a fun alternative to flite | 20:03 |
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| pupnik | the 'scottish' accent :P | 20:04 |
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| pupnik | espeak -k20 -p 30 -s 70 -v en-scottish "This is a test of the espeak speech synthesis system. It is a happy fun ball of joy and understanding." | 20:07 |
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| c0ffee | :( | 20:17 |
| c0ffee | did i mention that the telepathy docs are worse than non-existant? | 20:18 |
| shackan | true :( | 20:18 |
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| MobileSim | Howdy. | 20:19 |
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| sparr | ok, back to 2006 | 20:23 |
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| sparr | i want a new package manager | 20:28 |
| sparr | has anyone tried to port aptitude or synaptic or adept? | 20:29 |
| pupnik | probably | 20:30 |
| sparr | heh, have they succeeded? | 20:30 |
| pupnik | i don't know | 20:32 |
| sp3000 | pupnik: I rather like fr and hu | 20:33 |
| * sp3000 doesn't have scottish for whatever reason | 20:33 | |
| pupnik | oh yeah i have to try the monty python taunts with fr accent | 20:33 |
| sparr | red pill mode == teh awesome | 20:34 |
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| pupnik | haaaahahahaha | 20:35 |
| sparr | methinks 'ssh' package shouldnt be described as a "replacement" on maemo... | 20:36 |
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| Luria | hey all | 20:46 |
| Luria | _Monkey, dont say anything | 20:46 |
| _Monkey | Luria: huh? | 20:46 |
| sparr | :0 | 20:47 |
| Luria | whats the latest and greatest n800 abiword build? | 20:47 |
| pupnik | none - wait | 20:47 |
| Luria | i forget what i had before the great friday reflash | 20:48 |
| Luria | oh | 20:48 |
| pupnik | ITT forums has a thread for it | 20:48 |
| Luria | yeah, i saw the thread | 20:48 |
| Luria | but not much since may/june | 20:48 |
| pupnik | author was here yesterday - no new stuff | 20:49 |
| Luria | and i could have sworn i had a fairly stable version | 20:49 |
| Luria | oh well | 20:49 |
| pupnik | all i know of is the 770 version and its stable as long as i don't let screen go into powersave or click to the right of the text | 20:49 |
| pupnik | so i'm very happy with it | 20:50 |
| Luria | grr. reflashing is a pain. is 3.2 -> 4 going to be a flash or package update? i know they are moving to a packaging method, but is that after 4.0? | 20:51 |
| Luria | what version is that? | 20:51 |
| pupnik | Version: 2.4.6-0maemo0 | 20:52 |
| pupnik | Filename: pool/user/abiword_2.4.6-0maemo0_armel.deb | 20:52 |
| Luria | thanks | 20:56 |
| sparr | has anyone found a way to make this repository work with app manager or apt? http://maemo.o-hand.com/packages/ | 20:58 |
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| pupnik | wow thanks for that link sparr | 20:59 |
| sparr | its in the wiki like 3-4 times | 21:00 |
| sparr | but its a "broken" repository | 21:00 |
| sparr | its not laid out correctly | 21:00 |
| sparr | so ive had to download stuff manually | 21:00 |
| pupnik | that has some stuff i haven't been able to build. \o/ | 21:01 |
| pupnik | what is the section info for that | 21:03 |
| pupnik | gregale main or gregale free non-free | 21:03 |
| pupnik | or gregale user or contrib or what | 21:03 |
| Luria | i took a quick peek - whats so good there? | 21:04 |
| pupnik | i needed quilt | 21:04 |
| Luria | ah | 21:05 |
| pupnik | ok i think i get it - that repo doesn't have a proper section | 21:05 |
| pupnik | or components | 21:06 |
| pupnik | ok maybe not - enter the stuff *exactly* as specified here | 21:08 |
| pupnik | http://maemo.o-hand.com/ | 21:08 |
| pupnik | [sbox-SB_Arm2: ~/0_Deps] > apt-get install quilt | 21:08 |
| pupnik | quilt: Depends: gawk but it is not installable | 21:08 |
| pupnik | feck | 21:08 |
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| sparr | pupnik: there is no info for it | 21:10 |
| sparr | pupnik: you go ahead and enter that info. blank component = broken apt | 21:11 |
| sparr | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories2006sources/ | 21:11 |
| sparr | this should save time in the future :) | 21:11 |
| pupnik | i got it working now thx | 21:12 |
| pupnik | and got gawk too :) gawk_3.1.5.dfsg-4_armel.deb | 21:12 |
| cbx33 | cool | 21:12 |
| cbx33 | it just finished the two pass pupnik, I'm gonna go view it in a min | 21:12 |
| sparr | how did you get it working? | 21:12 |
| * sparr pleads | 21:12 | |
| pupnik | deb http://maemo.o-hand.com/packages gregale/ | 21:13 |
| pupnik | apt broke unless i entered *exactly* that | 21:13 |
| sparr | ok, thats freaky | 21:14 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 21:14 |
| sparr | thanks for the help though | 21:14 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, thanks so much for the help earlier | 21:14 |
| pupnik | np. but don't take my word about xvid being better | 21:15 |
| cbx33 | heheeh | 21:15 |
| cbx33 | what's the alternative? | 21:15 |
| _Monkey | well, the alternative is to not actually send unrendered content | 21:15 |
| cbx33 | mpeg4? | 21:15 |
| _Monkey | well, mpeg4 is the divx/xvid codec. if you want to play my xvid/divx avi files and the sort you will nees mpeg4 always | 21:15 |
| cbx33 | shhhhh _Monkey | 21:15 |
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| pupnik | cbx33: try mencoder -ovc help for a quick overview | 21:16 |
| sparr | i feel kinda sorry editing the wiki | 21:16 |
| sparr | like 5 people get emails every time i save a change | 21:16 |
| BladeRunner | somebody knows how to remove python2.3 reference in scratchbox environment to use python2.5? | 21:16 |
| cbx33 | BladeRunner, oooooooooh | 21:18 |
| cbx33 | i wanted to do exactly that the other day | 21:18 |
| BladeRunner | i've installed 2.5 but its not recognizing some libs | 21:19 |
| BladeRunner | if i simply uninstall 2.3 gets worse | 21:20 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 21:21 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, 2-pass is definitely worth it | 21:21 |
| cbx33 | it's awesome | 21:22 |
| pupnik | cool. i have to wait til tomorrow to compare | 21:22 |
| cbx33 | seriously 2-pass is almost perfect | 21:22 |
| cbx33 | well - obviously not quite but...it is staggering the difference | 21:22 |
| pupnik | and a freaky small size too | 21:22 |
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| cbx33 | yeh 50Mb is awesome | 21:23 |
| cbx33 | 2 Mb a min | 21:23 |
| cbx33 | I'm going to try 1Mb a min | 21:23 |
| cbx33 | half the bit rate | 21:23 |
| cbx33 | see what it looks like | 21:23 |
| pupnik | for a laff try mpeg2 at that bitrate | 21:23 |
| cbx33 | it it's acceptab;e that'll be soooo cool | 21:23 |
| cbx33 | will it be huge? | 21:23 |
| pupnik | no same size | 21:23 |
| cbx33 | but worse quality? | 21:23 |
| cbx33 | is that the comparison you tried in march? | 21:24 |
| sparr | wtf | 21:24 |
| sparr | ive got a repository | 21:24 |
| sparr | apt-get update can see it | 21:24 |
| sparr | my desktop can download from it | 21:24 |
| pupnik | mpeg2 is what we'd have to use if we didn't have ssvb's mplayer and the awesome codecs and settings | 21:24 |
| sparr | but my 770 cant wget or apt-get install from it | 21:24 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, hehe | 21:25 |
| pupnik | same line in sources.list sparr? | 21:25 |
| sparr | never mind, problem solved itself | 21:26 |
| sparr | wasnt an apt problem, wget couldnt get to it either | 21:27 |
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| cbx33 | pupnik, i can't believe how small that video is | 21:29 |
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| sparr | omg | 21:31 |
| sparr | synaptic is on maemo.org repository | 21:31 |
| sparr | and i never knew it because i didnt have the red pill mode enabled | 21:31 |
| sparr | fuck you application manager! | 21:31 |
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| pupnik | use apt from commandline for great justice | 21:32 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 21:33 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, dude you crack me up | 21:33 |
| pupnik | anybody have libfltk1.1-dev ? | 21:33 |
| sparr | apt from command line is very weak at enumerating available packages in a useful format | 21:35 |
| pupnik | listing them? or showing other info | 21:37 |
| * pupnik cries at fltk dependencies | 21:37 | |
| cbx33 | fltk on maemo? | 21:37 |
| cbx33 | or just in general? | 21:37 |
| pupnik | i don't know how to tell dpkg-buildpackage to ignore optional dependencies | 21:38 |
| pupnik | i mean i can with -d | 21:38 |
| pupnik | but there must be a way to pass ./configure options to dpkg-buildpackage | 21:38 |
| pupnik | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs (>= 0.4.37) debhelper (>= 5) libxinerama-dev libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev htmldoc | 21:38 |
| pupnik | dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. | 21:38 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 21:39 |
| cbx33 | edit the rules file | 21:39 |
| cbx33 | in the debian folder | 21:39 |
| pupnik | ok | 21:40 |
| pupnik | cause the damn thing ./configure's just fine | 21:40 |
| cbx33 | there should be a call to the configure script | 21:40 |
| pupnik | ah | 21:40 |
| cbx33 | where you should be able to pass options | 21:40 |
| BladeRunner | cbx33: did you figure out how to remove the 2.3 references? | 21:40 |
| pupnik | DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS aha.... thanks cbx33 | 21:41 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, no problem | 21:41 |
| cbx33 | BladeRunner, no | 21:41 |
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| BladeRunner | fuck and there is no thread talking about that | 21:42 |
| cbx33 | BladeRunner, it is annoying | 21:42 |
| pupnik | and need to edit control also, i think -- Build-Depends | 21:42 |
| cbx33 | what about just apt-get removing python | 21:42 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, yup | 21:42 |
| cbx33 | you can pull out the build-deps there | 21:43 |
| BladeRunner | cbx33: i've already did that and i had to reinstall scratchbox | 21:43 |
| cbx33 | oh | 21:43 |
| cbx33 | why? | 21:43 |
| BladeRunner | appears that the 2.5 uses some libs from the 2.3 | 21:43 |
| BladeRunner | didn't work at all | 21:43 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 21:44 |
| cbx33 | i suppose i could create a new target and mess it up | 21:44 |
| cbx33 | i made a nice how to for creating an n800 SB environment | 21:44 |
| cbx33 | so i don't really mind | 21:44 |
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| BladeRunner | but you can run python in command line [python2.5 file.py] or you get error too? | 21:45 |
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| BladeRunner | in my case works fine if i don1t use pygame | 21:47 |
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| cbx33 | you can do | 21:50 |
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| pupnik | thanks cbx33 -- got fltk built :) | 21:51 |
| cbx33 | but i got problems then running some other stuff | 21:51 |
| cbx33 | like gstreamer | 21:51 |
| cbx33 | np pupnik | 21:51 |
| cbx33 | so glad i could help you in return | 21:51 |
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| cbx33 | ahhhh i see | 21:53 |
| cbx33 | BladeRunner, how did you remove python 2.3? | 21:54 |
| pupnik | it would take me weeks to rebuild my sb environment with all the extra dev libraries | 21:54 |
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| sparr | woot synaptic | 21:55 |
| sparr | ONLY problem... synaptic is gonna force me to install gpg keys for the repositories | 21:56 |
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| even | hello, I'm building a small webapp to run on the 770 (shows latest photos from flickr contacts). Have a problem though: how do I get the 770 display to never dim or blank when powered? anything I can tell the kernel? | 21:56 |
| pupnik | acmonitor? | 21:57 |
| _Monkey | acmonitor is N800 version at http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/acmonitor_0.1_armel.deb and N770 version at http://pupnik.de/acmonitor.html | 21:57 |
| pupnik | even, install acmonitor, then activate extended screen dimming timeouts | 21:57 |
| even | excellent! thank you very much! | 21:58 |
| pupnik | see this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704 | 21:58 |
| even | I somehow managed to hit all the wrong keywords for it. | 21:59 |
| pupnik | acmonitor isn't really needed if you are willing to change timeouts manually | 22:00 |
| even | manually as in? | 22:00 |
| BladeRunner | cbx33: with apt-get remove | 22:00 |
| pupnik | it switches your screen profile based on power status | 22:00 |
| pupnik | clicking on display and then settings then select your timeout | 22:01 |
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| even | I think I checked the shortest timeout is mere minutes. I need to set it to 'never'. | 22:01 |
| qgil | hi, just a brief comment about http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ : you can help telling which are the usual questions in #maemo that could be answered in the wiki and etc | 22:03 |
| qgil | any feedback about the wiki itself is also appreciated | 22:03 |
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| even | pupnik: anyway, thank you! | 22:04 |
| pupnik | not sure about never. maybe 10 hours is possible with 36000 seconds | 22:05 |
| pupnik | qgil yeah more people should use wiki for their maemo notes | 22:06 |
| pupnik | for e.g about 40 threads in ITT should be on there | 22:07 |
| qgil | pupnik: I guess it's about starting the routine and having a more friendly ground to add more recipes | 22:07 |
| even | pupnik: the thread you linked to mentions "There is, you can write a daemon or program that sends 'pings' to keep the screen alive.", but is kind of short on the details. | 22:07 |
| cbx33 | BladeRunner, problem is python is included in the scratchbox-core package | 22:07 |
| pupnik | even: you saw the gconf settings - those allow you to add longer timeouts | 22:08 |
| qgil | I'll try to create quick pages and edits whenever I see a good tip in the mailing lists, I hope others will find worth following | 22:08 |
| even | pupnik: Sure, and if the second counter is 16 bit it should really be ample. | 22:09 |
| sparr | qgil: i think if the wiki gets any more popular the admins are going to have to turn off global update notification... i feel sad for them when i edit things 10+ times | 22:09 |
| qgil | can people here comment on the wiki main page https://maemo.org/community/wiki/ ? Do you think it's a good start? Something missing or...? | 22:09 |
| sparr | qgil: how stuck are you on midgard wiki? its markup system is... deficient | 22:10 |
| * cbx33 has already written 2 blog posts about stuff | 22:10 | |
| cbx33 | i guess i could put them onto the wiki | 22:10 |
| qgil | sparr I think I have filed a bug report about not having checkbox for "trivial changes". However, if someone subscribes to global changes you kind of know what to expect. I get all these notifications :) | 22:10 |
| BladeRunner | cbx33: it has two locations /scratchbox/.../bladerunner/scratchbox/tools/bin ... /scratchbox/tools/bin | 22:11 |
| cbx33 | outside of your environment, do | 22:11 |
| qgil | cbx33: really appreciated if you do | 22:11 |
| cbx33 | dpkg -S /scratchbox/tools/bin/python | 22:11 |
| sparr | i added a page for os 2006 /etc/apt/sources.list, to make setting up all the repositories a little easier | 22:11 |
| cbx33 | qgil, i guess the reason why i havn't is because people like to do things differently | 22:11 |
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| cbx33 | and plus I'm no expert | 22:11 |
| qgil | cbx33: this is why a wiki is great for this: other people and add their own way to do things and can also improve whatever you left | 22:12 |
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| sp3000 | is ApplicationRepositories necessary there? presumably maemo.org/downloads and .install magic should cover that | 22:13 |
| cbx33 | true | 22:13 |
| pupnik | but it doesn't | 22:14 |
| sp3000 | the problem is you get people thinking they have to configure repositories in the mainstream case | 22:14 |
| sp3000 | (for some arbitrary definition of mainstream, *cough*) | 22:15 |
| pupnik | have you looked at the installable packages from a freshly flashed image? | 22:15 |
| sp3000 | why? | 22:15 |
| sparr | sp3000: NO | 22:15 |
| pupnik | it's like... NOTHING | 22:15 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, if the source was 720x480 | 22:15 |
| sparr | sp3000: most people dont make .installs, and the application catalog is slow. | 22:15 |
| cbx33 | what would I crop to? | 22:15 |
| pupnik | divide 720 by 1.66667 | 22:16 |
| cbx33 | thanky | 22:16 |
| cbx33 | 430 | 22:16 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 22:16 |
| pupnik | a 'normal user' who gets the 770 and then clicks on 'install new applications' will think "this sucks! no software available for it!" | 22:17 |
| cbx33 | yup | 22:17 |
| sp3000 | sparr: I'm saying a list of stuff that doesn't say what's found in each repo anyway is not front page material | 22:17 |
| cbx33 | i agree | 22:17 |
| sparr | sp3000: i disagree | 22:18 |
| pupnik | it's good to list the main attractions of each repo | 22:18 |
| sparr | sp3000: imho, the sources.list and red pill instructions are front page material. the difference with and without them are night and day | 22:18 |
| sp3000 | you seriously think the applicationrepositories page is a useful software discovery mechanism? | 22:18 |
| sparr | hell yes | 22:18 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, ++ | 22:18 |
| sparr | where else do you get repository info? | 22:19 |
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| Artemisprime | Hello | 22:19 |
| cbx33 | tbh, it would be nice to create these pages almost automatically | 22:19 |
| sparr | my first visit to maemo.org i used the application catalog and added repositories as they were described on a per-application basis... the applicationrepositories page was a godsend | 22:19 |
| sp3000 | why, /downloads :) and the various upstreams (which may use the applicationrepositories listing to link to) | 22:19 |
| cbx33 | wow pupnik just doing another video, same length, first pass is 180Mb | 22:19 |
| Artemisprime | How do i join a chat on irc with pidgin | 22:20 |
| sp3000 | but I don't see how linking to applicationrepositories as a whole list is useful | 22:20 |
| Artemisprime | Like maemo | 22:20 |
| sp3000 | linking to it as a crutch for not having an .install from a site offering some software does make sense | 22:20 |
| sparr | not "a site" | 22:20 |
| sparr | EVERY site | 22:20 |
| sparr | there are hundreds of apps with no .install | 22:20 |
| sp3000 | sure, | 22:20 |
| sparr | right now, applicationrepositories is the single best way to get a 770 into usable condition | 22:21 |
| sp3000 | but I don't see the case for linking from front page | 22:21 |
| Artemisprime | Anyone use pidgin ? | 22:21 |
| pupnik | i don't Artemisprime sorry | 22:21 |
| sparr | its the most important page on the wiki. maybe second, after one of the gainingroot pages | 22:21 |
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| sp3000 | "here's stuff. add at random until you find something or get tired." | 22:21 |
| Artemisprime | Anyone use pidgin ? | 22:21 |
| sparr | not add at random | 22:21 |
| sparr | add ALL | 22:21 |
| sparr | hence my sources.list page | 22:21 |
| cbx33 | Artemisprime, not on the maemo | 22:22 |
| Artemisprime | Sparr do u know ? | 22:22 |
| sparr | https://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories2006sources/ | 22:22 |
| Artemisprime | Fuck | 22:22 |
| sp3000 | sparr, that's possibly useful, unlike the idea of manually adding all | 22:22 |
| sparr | i wish there was a one-click solution to installing THAT | 22:22 |
| Artemisprime | K | 22:22 |
| cbx33 | sparr, to what? | 22:22 |
| mmlj4 | so what's the deal? what is the latest OS I can put on my 770? or can/should I apt-get dist-upgrade instead? | 22:22 |
| _Monkey | i already had it that way, mmlj4. | 22:22 |
| cbx33 | installing a list of repos? | 22:22 |
| sparr | cbx33: installing that list, the full list. | 22:22 |
| cbx33 | sparr, creating an apt package isn't hard | 22:23 |
| sparr | mmlj4: 2006 2.2 aka 3.2006-49.2(?) | 22:23 |
| cbx33 | why don't you just download the pacakge in one of the repos which does that already and hack it up | 22:23 |
| sparr | cbx33: im relatively sure debian policy says packages arent allowed to touch sources.list | 22:23 |
| Artemisprime | I m | 22:23 |
| cbx33 | is this just for you or for anyone? | 22:23 |
| mmlj4 | what about apt-get upgrading? or is that "apt-get brick"? | 22:23 |
| sparr | for everyone | 22:24 |
| cbx33 | sparr, hang on | 22:24 |
| sp3000 | sparr, there's sources.list.d | 22:24 |
| Artemisprime | I am using erstazi 's sources.list | 22:24 |
| sparr | sp3000: yes | 22:24 |
| Artemisprime | It is possible | 22:24 |
| sparr | Artemisprime: its probably nearly identical to the one i put on the wiki | 22:24 |
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| sparr | erstazi: check your sources.list against https://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationrepositories2006sources/ and update the wiki if you want, please. | 22:24 |
| Artemisprime | Polly | 22:24 |
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| cbx33 | sparr, http://stage.maemo.org/~ferenc/bora_sdk.install | 22:25 |
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| Artemisprime | Used outty to paste it on maemo | 22:25 |
| Artemisprime | Putty | 22:25 |
| Artemisprime | I mean | 22:25 |
| cbx33 | anyone know if the .install file can contain more than one stanza? | 22:25 |
| sparr | cbx33: that is the question at hand :) | 22:26 |
| cbx33 | sparr, well | 22:26 |
| sparr | better yet, can a .install file trigger red pill mode? | 22:26 |
| cbx33 | looking at it assumes so | 22:26 |
| Artemisprime | I dunno | 22:26 |
| cbx33 | probably | 22:26 |
| cbx33 | red pill mode is presumably just the editing of a file | 22:26 |
| sparr | the front page of the wiki, or a first-level page under it, should include one or more .install files to "fix" a default install of each OS | 22:26 |
| cbx33 | a confif file i presume | 22:26 |
| cbx33 | "fix" ? | 22:26 |
| sparr | update sources.list, enable red pill mode, turn on root access | 22:27 |
| cbx33 | by _fix_ you really mean _enhance_ | 22:27 |
| sparr | all the things that im relatively sure everyone in this channel does every time we flash | 22:27 |
| sparr | well, except red pill mode, im guessing most people just use console apt-get instead | 22:27 |
| sp3000 | cbx33: give root to world and dog :P | 22:27 |
| BladeRunner | when i try to resolve a name inside sb it fails. somebody knows what could be? | 22:28 |
| Artemisprime | Sb ? | 22:28 |
| BladeRunner | resolv.conf still points to: nameserver 192.168.1.1 | 22:28 |
| BladeRunner | scratchbox | 22:28 |
| _Monkey | i heard scratchbox was like the glue that ties it all together | 22:28 |
| Artemisprime | Oh | 22:28 |
| sparr | every time i flash i waste 10 minutes installing ssh, updating sources.list, etc | 22:28 |
| sp3000 | BladeRunner: something like http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2007-March/000906.html | 22:28 |
| sparr | when i was a newb (all of a week ago) that took much longer because i had to figure it all out | 22:29 |
| cbx33 | BladeRunner, check out this | 22:29 |
| cbx33 | http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 | 22:29 |
| BladeRunner | yes that was another problem ive solved that for apt-get | 22:29 |
| BladeRunner | the nsswitch copied the ubuntu file | 22:30 |
| BladeRunner | but know the apt-get works and the resolv conf dont | 22:30 |
| BladeRunner | when i try to ping | 22:30 |
| sparr | http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/xterm-screenshot-1.png | 22:31 |
| sparr | ooooooh | 22:31 |
| sparr | pupnik: ^^ | 22:31 |
| apple2 | shouldn't resolv.conf contain "nameserver 127.0.0.1"? | 22:31 |
| cbx33 | BladeRunner, which nsswitch did you edit | 22:31 |
| cbx33 | /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf | 22:32 |
| BladeRunner | the /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch | 22:32 |
| `0660 | that's cool! | 22:32 |
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| BladeRunner | yes | 22:32 |
| BladeRunner | the other too | 22:32 |
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| cbx33 | hmmm | 22:34 |
| cbx33 | well check that howto see if you've missed anything | 22:34 |
| cbx33 | sparr, looking at the .install docs | 22:34 |
| cbx33 | seems like we'd have to have a separate file for each repo | 22:34 |
| cbx33 | which actually wou;dn't be such a bad idea | 22:34 |
| cbx33 | and would only take a few clicks | 22:34 |
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| apple2 | I would like to ask if there are some nice tutorials about setting up the compile environment for nokia 770 | 22:36 |
| apple2 | there is only one at maemo.org | 22:36 |
| cbx33 | apple2, i've done one for the n800 | 22:37 |
| sparr | apple2: depends on your definition of "nice" :) | 22:37 |
| cbx33 | but not 770, though I've heard it's quite similar | 22:37 |
| apple2 | it should be similar | 22:37 |
| apple2 | but I'm a kind of newb | 22:37 |
| cbx33 | well http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=351 | 22:38 |
| cbx33 | that's my n800 one | 22:38 |
| apple2 | thank u | 22:38 |
| cbx33 | i'm sure some of the information in ther eis useful | 22:38 |
| cbx33 | tbh i found some of the maemo.org information rather fragmentated | 22:38 |
| cbx33 | fragmented | 22:38 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 22:38 |
| apple2 | yes me too | 22:39 |
| cbx33 | took me several days to do my first n800 env | 22:39 |
| pupnik | apple2 scratchbox + maemo 2.2 + gregale are keywords. | 22:39 |
| apple2 | thanks | 22:39 |
| pupnik | apple2, what OS is your PC running | 22:39 |
| BladeRunner | cbx33: thanks i forgot to change after reinstall the sbox | 22:39 |
| BladeRunner | it was the resolv.conf | 22:40 |
| apple2 | ubuntu 7.04 | 22:40 |
| cbx33 | np BladeRunner | 22:40 |
| pupnik | apple2: that's a good one - lots of support for that - you can find lots of help for installing scratchbox on it - use the .debs for ubuntu | 22:40 |
| cbx33 | wow | 22:41 |
| cbx33 | second pass on this vid is taking 40 mins | 22:41 |
| cbx33 | and this is a dual core 4200 | 22:41 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 22:41 |
| apple2 | pupnik I supposed so but its the 64bit version so I installed 32bit version in vmware | 22:42 |
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| * cbx33 doesn't touch the 64bit version | 22:42 | |
| pupnik | cbx33 - my encode ... 5.12fps Trem: 416min 202mb | 22:43 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 22:43 |
| cbx33 | 5.12 fps| | 22:43 |
| cbx33 | 14.94fps :) | 22:43 |
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| cbx33 | ouch this file just keeps getting bigger | 22:44 |
| pupnik | not bad but considering this p3 is about 7 years old, you can really see how desktop performance increases have slowed down in the past few years | 22:45 |
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| pupnik | if cpus had gotten 2x as fast every year you'd have 640 fps | 22:47 |
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| bldewolf | well, it's supposed to be that the number of transistors doubles every 18 months, but that doesn't translate directly to speed... | 22:53 |
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| pupnik | ok 2 pass does rule cbx33 ... it's better than i would have thought possible | 22:56 |
| cbx33 | I KNOW | 22:57 |
| cbx33 | i can't believe it | 22:57 |
| cbx33 | gonna be blogging about this one | 22:57 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 22:57 |
| pupnik | this is crazy good for 236kb/s | 22:57 |
| cbx33 | I know | 22:57 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 22:57 |
| cbx33 | it's almost too good to be true | 22:57 |
| cbx33 | ls -la to be sure | 22:57 |
| cbx33 | blink twice | 22:57 |
| pupnik | "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke | 22:58 |
| _Monkey | i already had it that way, pupnik. | 22:58 |
| pupnik | hah | 22:58 |
| pupnik | Now i have to re-encode a bunch of stuff | 22:58 |
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| sparr | i want a wiki page dedicated to removing stuff from the default 770 image in order to free up space. anyone else think that would be useful? | 22:59 |
| pupnik | i do. | 23:00 |
| sparr | #$(&@#$(^&!@#$)%^#@* | 23:00 |
| sparr | fuck you nokia | 23:00 |
| pupnik | it'd be a short one but it would help people find it | 23:00 |
| sparr | osso-everythingimportant "depends" on the damn default 4 themes | 23:00 |
| pupnik | careful with those | 23:00 |
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| sparr | elaborate? | 23:02 |
| pupnik | i messed up my 770 by deleting theme directories i thought i didn't need | 23:02 |
| pupnik | it was all zen-like. pure white | 23:03 |
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| qgil | sparr: every time you feel like writing "fuck you nokia" you probably want to file a bug instead | 23:04 |
| sparr | qgil: oh, i do :) | 23:05 |
| sparr | pupnik: yeah, dont delete things. always TRY to play nice with the package manager | 23:05 |
| pupnik | sparr can you give an example of an osso- package that depends on the thtme2 or 3? | 23:06 |
| pupnik | *theme | 23:06 |
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| sparr | pupnik: apt-get remove osso-theme-theme2 | 23:06 |
| sparr | youll see the huge tree of parents | 23:06 |
| cbx33 | anyone got infor here baout creating themes? | 23:06 |
| sparr | cbx33: not hard info, but its not hard... "dpkg -L osso-theme-theme2", make your own theme match what that package provides | 23:07 |
| sparr | but with theme[somethingotherthan2] as the names :) | 23:07 |
| sparr | afk | 23:07 |
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| pupnik | cbx33: there's a theme-maker utility on garage.maemo.org | 23:07 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, cool | 23:08 |
| K0brik | yo maemo | 23:08 |
| pupnik | sparr i think qgil is right - the dependencies could be fixed | 23:09 |
| qgil | sparr send me the bug report once you have it - I'm also interested to see if things can be improved in this issue | 23:11 |
| * cbx33 wants to fix the bug 1204 | 23:12 | |
| _Monkey | Bug 1204 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 | 23:12 |
| cbx33 | but i think i have a card which is working better | 23:12 |
| cbx33 | fingers crossed | 23:13 |
| qgil | sparr it will be useful that you explain in the bug report what are you trying to do and what the dependencies are an obstacle - I would like to think you are hitting a use case that wasn't contemplated when these dependencies were defined | 23:13 |
| cbx33 | oh btw someone told me to install the new kernel, and wanted to know if it fixed the issue | 23:13 |
| cbx33 | it didn't | 23:13 |
| zerojay | I kind of want to know what users expected when the N800 is writing to the card when the battery loses power. | 23:14 |
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| sparr | the problem... | 23:19 |
| _Monkey | the problem is that KDrive doesnt use configuration files, but parameters | 23:19 |
| sparr | desktop-backgrounds provides the BG images | 23:19 |
| sparr | and depends on all 4 themes | 23:19 |
| sparr | imho, the bg images should be in each theme | 23:19 |
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| sparr | one each | 23:19 |
| sparr | ok, thats A problem | 23:20 |
| sparr | not the biggest one | 23:20 |
| sparr | bigger... | 23:20 |
| sparr | ke-recv (absolutely required package) depends on maemo-af-desktop (important package) depends on desktop-backgrounds (wtf?) | 23:21 |
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| sparr | _Monkey: forget the problem | 23:26 |
| _Monkey | sparr: I forgot problem | 23:26 |
| sparr | the problem | 23:27 |
| _Monkey | it has been said that the problem is that it's fundamentally flawed | 23:27 |
| sparr | the problem? | 23:27 |
| _Monkey | somebody said the problem was that it's fundamentally flawed | 23:27 |
| sparr | _Monkey: forget the problem | 23:27 |
| _Monkey | sparr, I didn't have anything matching problem | 23:27 |
| sparr | _Monkey: forget the\ problem | 23:28 |
| _Monkey | sparr, I didn't have anything matching the\ problem | 23:28 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, i'm trying now with bitrate halved | 23:28 |
| sparr | hmm | 23:28 |
| sparr | my infobot-fu has failed me | 23:28 |
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| cbx33 | heh | 23:29 |
| pupnik | cbx33: at 64kb/s the audio also takes up a big chunk - see if 48 kb/s still sounds ok | 23:30 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 23:30 |
| cbx33 | lemme try it | 23:31 |
| cbx33 | ok lemme try it | 23:31 |
| cbx33 | i just cancelled my encode to try it | 23:31 |
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| cbx33 | ok reencoding | 23:33 |
| milhouse | sparr - looks like a bug in _monkey... he refuses to forget "the problem" :) | 23:33 |
| zerojay | I wish it would forget what server we were on. | 23:35 |
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| pauliukas | Is there any way to change the MAC ID of the wifi card on the Nokia 770? | 23:36 |
| zerojay | Why would you want to? | 23:37 |
| pauliukas | Long story... | 23:37 |
| milhouse | zerojay... we like _monkey - don't we? :) | 23:37 |
| milhouse | paulikas - use ifconfig | 23:37 |
| pauliukas | chage MAC? | 23:37 |
| pauliukas | awww.. Monkey can't help :-( | 23:38 |
| zerojay | He's a... regular barrel of... well, monkeys. :/ | 23:38 |
| pauliukas | oh.... | 23:38 |
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| pauliukas | right. | 23:38 |
| milhouse | here you go: http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=linux+change+mac+address&btnG=Google+Search | 23:38 |
| pauliukas | Ah. So that would work? | 23:38 |
| milhouse | should do | 23:39 |
| pauliukas | Is the change permanent or until reboot? | 23:39 |
| milhouse | temp | 23:39 |
| pauliukas | gotcha. | 23:39 |
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| milhouse | you'd need to add a startup script to change the mac address before the device hits run level 3, i think | 23:40 |
| pauliukas | okay... | 23:41 |
| milhouse | possibly earlier than that in fact - the wlan seems to start in /etc/rc.2/S30wlancond | 23:42 |
| milhouse | so you'd want the mac changed before that process is started | 23:42 |
| pauliukas | Will it change even though it's not up? | 23:42 |
| milhouse | should do | 23:42 |
| pauliukas | Most people on those sites say to use ifdown and then ifup | 23:42 |
| pauliukas | The interface is wifi0, right? | 23:43 |
| milhouse | dunno, try that | 23:43 |
| milhouse | wlan0 here | 23:43 |
| milhouse | on n800 | 23:43 |
| _Monkey | somebody said on n800 was there a way to chance between intern and extern sd card, pluging the n800 with usb to the pc? | 23:43 |
| milhouse | forget on n800 | 23:43 |
| _Monkey | milhouse: I forgot on n800 | 23:43 |
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| pauliukas | "unknown interface..." | 23:43 |
| pauliukas | grumble grumble | 23:43 |
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| pauliukas | It always says unknwon interface | 23:47 |
| pauliukas | damn | 23:47 |
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| sparr | ok | 23:49 |
| sparr | ive got my own apt repository now :) | 23:49 |
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| cbx33 | sparr, cool | 23:50 |
| milhouse | pauliukas - n800 or 770? wlan0 works for me on n800 (provided there is no current network connection) but then I fail to re-authenticate when establishing a connection with the new mac address (and no i'm not using a mac filter) | 23:52 |
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| milhouse | ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 00:19:4F:9E:9C:XX | 23:53 |
| sparr | who wants to be a guinea pig? :) need someone with a 770 | 23:53 |
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| milhouse | odd... my n800 just won't authenticate when using a bogus wlan0 MAC address... I've changed the last digit up by one and it fails to connect to my router using WPA/PSK-TKIP, then I changed it down by one (ie. back to it's original MAC) and it connects just fine. | 23:55 |
| milhouse | can't explain that - I don't use any MAC filtering | 23:56 |
| milhouse | in dmesg when it attempts to initiate the wifi connection it lists the original MAC address even when it's changed to something else so i wonder if there's a software conflict going on. | 23:56 |
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