| Navi_ | and have no swap | 00:00 |
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| Navi_ | Faster if you kill everything than waiting for load times | 00:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Poor INdT guys are gonna have to work up a Canola for OS2008HE now. | 00:04 |
| mmr | whys that | 00:04 |
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| Navi_ | Heh | 00:04 |
| mmr | have i missed the new version | 00:04 |
| k-s[WORK] | GeneralAntilles: it would be easier | 00:04 |
| k-s[WORK] | GeneralAntilles: 2007 sucks hard | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't envy the work. | 00:05 |
| Vudentz__ | ? | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | mmr, see maemo.org | 00:05 |
| k-s[WORK] | it's not stable AND it's old/broken | 00:05 |
| Vudentz__ | The newer the better | 00:05 |
| Navi_ | heh | 00:05 |
| mmr | ah gotcha | 00:05 |
| mmr | unbelievable | 00:05 |
| mmr | who would have thought the old 770 still had some lif eleft | 00:06 |
| * mmr wonders if he can install vista on a 486 | 00:06 | |
| Navi_ | ha | 00:07 |
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| jku | so no more hacker editions after this, that's what the announcement looks like to me... | 00:08 |
| mmr | i wonder when 2008 next edition is coming out for n800/810 and what the improvements are | 00:08 |
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| jku | mmr, probably whenever the WIMAX version is released | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | jku, "She jus' canna take anymore!" | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Supposed a fix for the race issue should be out soon. | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, probably that, then the WiMAX version. | 00:10 |
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| mmr | race issue? | 00:10 |
| jku | GeneralAntilles, :) yeah I understand the reasons | 00:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The power-on problems, mmr. | 00:11 |
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| mmr | ah | 00:12 |
| jku | GeneralAntilles, still, that will be the time when the important proprietary bits will hurt the most: I guess no-one will be able to upgrade the kernel and still keep wireless working on the 770... | 00:12 |
| jku | ... even if there was community driven 770 OS development | 00:12 |
| mmr | isnt it a shame they dont worry about europeans who are not likely to ever see wimax | 00:13 |
| mmr | seeing as 3g is hitting 7.2meg | 00:13 |
| jku | mmr, what do you mean? | 00:13 |
| jku | that they should have released a 3G version and not wimax? | 00:13 |
| * lcuk_3 has a 3g phone, but its locked inside a 128x128 cell leaving my n810 cold and lonely | 00:14 | |
| mmr | well it would be an idea | 00:14 |
| jku | then someone would be saying " isnt it a shame they dont worry about americans..." | 00:14 |
| mmr | yes but nokia usually worries first about europeans | 00:15 |
| mmr | cdma came waay after gsm | 00:15 |
| jku | I guess they see that as a problem :) | 00:15 |
| lcuk_3 | have we heard anything about the gps initialization problem yet? do we know if nokia are wroking on it | 00:15 |
| jku | I don't know if there is a specific problem. I guess the chip is just really bad without assistance... | 00:16 |
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| Navi_ | I have a 3G phone, I think. If I had money to go on a non-prepaid plan, I would know :3 | 00:16 |
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| maddler | yawn! | 00:36 |
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| t_s_o | gah, why is it that it seems apple invented on the go web surfing with the iphone?! | 01:20 |
| glass | because there's the truth and then theres apple advertising | 01:21 |
| glass | you know why they didn't participate on mwc or last years 3gsm.. | 01:21 |
| glass | they like to pretend others don't exist(and also that others don't have decent batt life in 3g etc) | 01:21 |
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| glass | it's just basic apple marketing | 01:22 |
| t_s_o | and when presented with the N800 or N810 they grasp multitouch as the holy grail... | 01:22 |
| glass | and "virtual"gps as "as good as real thing" | 01:23 |
| wnd | glass, s/apple // | 01:23 |
| t_s_o | have not seen that yet | 01:23 |
| glass | t_s_o: it was on this one video | 01:24 |
| glass | t_s_o: where someone went on to interview people lining up before iphone release | 01:24 |
| t_s_o | still, a magazine that writes about mobile phones and similar gave the N810 and ipod touch about the same overall score, with the touch getting 1 point more because of default multimedia capabilities | 01:24 |
| glass | t_s_o: he shot the video with a n95 and asked all kinda things about people who were lining up | 01:25 |
| glass | about gps etc | 01:25 |
| t_s_o | :P | 01:25 |
| glass | someone of them said it has "virtual gps" and shit like that(apparently a map program is 'virtual gps') | 01:25 |
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| t_s_o | got to love the RDF... | 01:27 |
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| jott | has someone by any chance a gdbserver that works in the n8x0 initfs uclibc env? | 01:29 |
| jku | glass, not that wlan positioning isn't cool... | 01:29 |
| glass | jku: it wasnt that | 01:30 |
| jku | but "virtual positioning" should be insulting to anyones intelligence | 01:30 |
| glass | yeah.. saying such a thing when you're pinpointing your location by hand is just bs | 01:30 |
| jku | vrirtual gps, I mean | 01:30 |
| jku | god, I can't spell | 01:30 |
| glass | dunno if they've added some cellid or something positioning to it now | 01:31 |
| glass | probably not | 01:31 |
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| jku | glass, yes, that's it | 01:31 |
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| glass | jku: have they added it to iphone? it didn't ship with it | 01:31 |
| jku | haven't seen it, but so I've understood | 01:31 |
| glass | googlemaps on mobiles has it | 01:31 |
| Stskeeps | on the ones that let you get cell id, probably :P | 01:32 |
| t_s_o | btw, is it just me or is a increasing number of pages providing special iphone layouts? talk about mindshare... | 01:32 |
| glass | Stskeeps: ye | 01:32 |
| Stskeeps | and then it takes a big db of cell id -> location, which for some reason is hard to get in some EU countries (denmark) | 01:32 |
| glass | t_s_o: it's to be in the hype.. | 01:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:32 |
| Stskeeps | which makes it even more useless | 01:32 |
| glass | Stskeeps: it's hard to get anywhere where the operator isn't willing to give you the db | 01:32 |
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| |tbb| | gnight all | 01:33 |
| jku | glass, just checked: both iphone and touch support wlan positioning | 01:33 |
| Stskeeps | now, if we were talking RSS & tower IDs, we might be talking | 01:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 01:33 |
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| glass | jku: ok's | 01:33 |
| Stskeeps | hrm. reminds me, i should try out the n800 and see if it's even remotely suitable for wlan positioning | 01:33 |
| jku | Stskeeps, I'm ahead of you... | 01:34 |
| jku | it is | 01:34 |
| Stskeeps | sounds good - how sensitive is it? | 01:34 |
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| jku | sensitive in what? | 01:35 |
| jku | seeing networks? | 01:35 |
| Stskeeps | well, wlan positioning quality usually depends on the sensitivity/quality of the RSS value :) | 01:35 |
| jku | it looks fine, but I didn't actually use it yet -- in urban areas there are so many networks that just stupid triangulation is fairly usable | 01:37 |
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| Stskeeps | *nod* | 01:37 |
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| jku | this is with an extremely stupid positioning algo; | 01:37 |
| jku | http://maps.google.fi/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=fi&msa=0&msid=103576186623008880757.0004455aea7187c72b5f2&z=17 | 01:38 |
| Stskeeps | i worked as a student programmer on a WLAN/DECT positioning project for 3 years, hence my wierd questions :P | 01:38 |
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| jku | I had 10 control locations, only 5 are shown, but the rest were similar: ~45m difference to GPS | 01:39 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 01:39 |
| jku | I imagine using signal quality should get to around 30 which is what skyhook et al advertize | 01:40 |
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| jku | Stskeeps, if that project is something you can talk about, let me know... | 02:09 |
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| jku | Going to sleep now, but leave me a msg if I can contact you about it | 02:10 |
| goat|work | Hi, I'm trying to update my N800 to OS2008, using these instructions: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ getting the following error: | 02:10 |
| goat|work | $sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 02:12 |
| goat|work | ./flasher-3.0: 2: Syntax error: newline unexpected | 02:12 |
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| goat|work | the only reference i found is on an itialian site where an admin uploaded a different version of flasher-3.0 | 02:14 |
| goat|work | sorry for the google spam in the url, its converted to english: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.itopen.it/nokia770forum/viewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D4830&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dflasher-3.0%2Bnewline%2Bunexpected%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1B3GGGL_enUS220US222%26sa%3DG | 02:15 |
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| wnd | goat|work, sounds like you have a broken file at hand. judging by that url the file is html, not an executable. | 02:20 |
| lcuk_3 | goat|work, it looks like your flasher3 isnt an executable | 02:20 |
| lcuk_3 | go redownload the flasher | 02:20 |
| * leif__ just installed LCARS 4.0 on the OS2008 Hacker Edition on 770 | 02:20 | |
| lcuk_3 | it looks like you right clicked and saved instead of left clicking and processing (to give you the flasher executable result download) | 02:21 |
| leif__ | two crashes so far, both while setting the desktop wallpaper | 02:21 |
| leif__ | though the second time it did work | 02:21 |
| leif__ | the name of the FIASCO image indicates this 2008 hacker edition is version 4.2007.50-6 | 02:22 |
| leif__ | but the browser calls itself RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.48-9 | 02:23 |
| leif__ | er "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv5tejl; en-US; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20071205 Firefox/3.0a1 Tablet browser 0.2.2 RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.48-9" to be exact | 02:25 |
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| leif__ | /etc/osso_software_version also says it is 2008SE_2.2007.48-9_PR_MR0 | 02:25 |
| leif__ | meanwhile the latest release for N8x0 is still 2008SE_2.2007.50-2 | 02:26 |
| goat|work | lcuk_3: thanks, i'll try redownloading the flasher | 02:27 |
| leif__ | I wonder where they got the name SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin from | 02:27 |
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| leif__ | still an ancient kernel :( | 02:28 |
| leif__ | I guess 2.6.16.27-omap1 from Sep 19 2006 will be the last kernel we get from Nokia | 02:29 |
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| leif__ | while it isn't blazingly fast, I'm actually surprised by how fast OS2008 is running now. While installing LCARS (prior to enabling swap) it was exceedingly slow | 02:31 |
| leif__ | but now it seems alright | 02:32 |
| goat|work | ok, so I left clicked and re-saved the file from this locatoin: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-3.0 and when I run: file flasher-3.0 I get ASCII C++ Program text | 02:32 |
| goat|work | but I still get the same error | 02:33 |
| leif__ | C++ program text?! | 02:33 |
| goat|work | yes | 02:33 |
| leif__ | can you paste a line or two here please? | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | leif__, yeah it's pretty responsive. | 02:33 |
| goat|work | sure, hold on | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | App Manager is ridiculously slow in all the hacker editions, though. | 02:34 |
| leif__ | goat|work, file has been known to make mistakes | 02:34 |
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| leif__ | hi johnx | 02:38 |
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| johnx | hey | 02:38 |
| leif__ | do you have a 770? | 02:38 |
| johnx | nope | 02:38 |
| musikgoat | ok, http://pastebin.com/d67a2c859 | 02:38 |
| johnx | just an n800 (and some zauruses)... | 02:38 |
| musikgoat | leif__: ^^ | 02:38 |
| * leif__ wonders about running debian on 770 | 02:38 | |
| johnx | leif__, I know b0unc3 got it working to some degree using the tarball I put up | 02:39 |
| johnx | and 'apple2' on itt had a different method for running debian on the 770 | 02:39 |
| leif__ | musikgoat, can you paste the output of "head flasher-3.0" (I'd guess it is html, not C++ :) | 02:40 |
| musikgoat | yes it is | 02:40 |
| musikgoat | <html> | 02:41 |
| musikgoat | <head> | 02:41 |
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| leif__ | but your browser brought up a save dialog when you (left-)clicked the link to it? | 02:42 |
| musikgoat | yes | 02:42 |
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| leif__ | strange, i don't know what to tell you | 02:42 |
| cyberholic | Good evening or good morning every one :) | 02:42 |
| johnx | mornin' :D | 02:43 |
| leif__ | IT IS AFTERNOON HERE | 02:43 |
| leif__ | try again next time | 02:43 |
| cyberholic | its nearly 2 o clock AM here... i have been developing something new.... its a WEB startpage... who wants to try it out from you? | 02:43 |
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| cyberholic | You do not need to install it! | 02:43 |
| johnx | woo! | 02:43 |
| johnx | I'll give it a shot | 02:43 |
| cyberholic | I have been working on it since 5 PM and not it is finished :) .... | 02:43 |
| johnx | wow...what does it do? | 02:44 |
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| cyberholic | Johnx... it looks great :) ... i mean... it MAKES look the n8xx look great on my desk... here we go... http://www.cyberholic.de/maemo | 02:46 |
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| cyberholic | You have to view it in fullscreen | 02:46 |
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| cyberholic | to see the tools, put your finger on the screen and slide from right to left.... | 02:46 |
| musikgoat | does it do the same for you leif__ from this link? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-3.0 | 02:46 |
| musikgoat | leif__: I'm just dropping the f=... stuff | 02:47 |
| cyberholic | no... it doesnt.... | 02:47 |
| cyberholic | oh... sorry musikgoat, thought you asked me :) | 02:47 |
| cyberholic | and johnx... you like it? | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cool stuff, cyberholic. | 02:48 |
| cyberholic | thankx pal.... | 02:48 |
| musikgoat | thats cool cyberholic, leif__, the bin is downloading correctly if I go to the d3.php page first and agree to the terms | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Might be cool to leave it open in fullscreen if MicroB weren't going to eat the battery alive. | 02:48 |
| cyberholic | yeah | 02:48 |
| cyberholic | thanks for your props :) | 02:49 |
| leif__ | musikgoat, yes, it downloads the html page with their EULA when i click that link you sent | 02:49 |
| leif__ | wack | 02:49 |
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| musikgoat | leif__: is this page editable by me? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ | 02:49 |
| cyberholic | you can download it to your device, it is only 50 kb big | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm getting some scroll at fullscreen. :< | 02:49 |
| cyberholic | well... if you want to, i can send it to you :) | 02:50 |
| musikgoat | I will just drop the f=flasher-3.0 from the link | 02:50 |
| musikgoat | cyberholic: I've now got the file | 02:50 |
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| musikgoat | thanks tho | 02:50 |
| cyberholic | general: do you have the toolbar on? (t the bottom) | 02:50 |
| leif__ | musikgoat, i think if you need to login to edit, but yes it should be... it claims to be a wiki after all :) | 02:50 |
| leif__ | s/if// | 02:50 |
| infobot | leif__ meant: musikgoat, i think you need to login to edit, but yes it should be... it claims to be a wiki after all :) | 02:50 |
| musikgoat | lol | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, toolbar is off. | 02:51 |
| johnx | that's pretty neat :D | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like, 10px of scroll. | 02:51 |
| leif__ | cyberholic, i'm seeing scrollbars also, even with the toolbar off | 02:51 |
| cyberholic | really strange.... | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's scroll because the scrollbars are showing. | 02:52 |
| cyberholic | what devices you guys have? i own a n800 and everything is finde here. | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | If the scrollbars weren't showing, there wouldn't be scroll. | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 OS2008 | 02:52 |
| leif__ | same | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flashblock installed | 02:52 |
| cyberholic | Ah... wait! my error! | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | That might do it. | 02:52 |
| cyberholic | ok, that was my error... now it should work! refresh please :) | 02:54 |
| musikgoat | thanks for your help folks | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | 16bit becomes glaringly obvious with gradients. | 02:54 |
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| * GeneralAntilles hopes for a better screen with the N900. | 02:54 | |
| cyberholic | yeah... thats what i thought too. but its better then having everything black, dont you think? | 02:54 |
| leif__ | reloaded, still got the scrollbars | 02:55 |
| * pupnik hopes someone finds the 'verysimple' 80286 dosbox core sources by Boris Letocha | 02:55 | |
| cyberholic | leif_ could you try to clear cache. The error was at my site, that i tould html that the flash file has a size of 800x480, but now i forced him to take 100% width and 100% height | 02:56 |
| goat|work | will a backup file from OS2007 work on OS2008 | 02:57 |
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| goat|work | I'm getting prompted whether or not I want to load the backup file | 02:57 |
| leif__ | ok, it works now | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | goat, did you use Opera or MicroB? | 02:58 |
| cyberholic | leif: great... sorry for these problems, i am just tired ;) | 02:58 |
| goat|work | hmm, not sure specifically, I ran the backup from within the installed software | 02:58 |
| cyberholic | general: do you use Opera? | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, OS2008 | 02:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles hasn't used Opera since the MicroB beta came out. | 02:59 | |
| leif__ | another bug: on the minimal analog clock screen, there is a stripe of white pixels on the left side | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | goat, restoring a backup where Opera was the primary browser will cause troubles. | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | for the most part, though, OS2007 backups work fine. | 02:59 |
| goat|work | ok, good to know | 03:00 |
| goat|work | thanks | 03:00 |
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| leif__ | cyberholic, and on the digital clock screen, it is on the right. And they're actually not white pixels, but the grey from the calendar screen | 03:02 |
| leif__ | cyberholic, on the timers screen, it is possible to start each timer multiple times | 03:03 |
| leif__ | leading to multiple overlapping alarms going off, and negative numbers on the tea timer | 03:03 |
| leif__ | and on the "any" timer, it is not possible to edit the number as the keyboard just opens and closes (maybe it works on n810?) | 03:04 |
| cyberholic | leif_ thanks a lot! I think i will take the grey faded background away.... just gimme a second | 03:05 |
| leif__ | cyberholic, this box that drops down from the top... how is it supposed to be opened? I've seen it twice, but I don't know how i got it | 03:07 |
| leif__ | ah dragging down, i get it | 03:08 |
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| cyberholic | leif: if you slide from top to down | 03:09 |
| cyberholic | :) | 03:09 |
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| cyberholic | Does anyone has any wishes to implement into that page? | 03:26 |
| cyberholic | I mean my tool aka THat tool :) | 03:26 |
| cyberholic | Sorry, i am getting realy tired... so much that i can not remember how to clear a setintervall in flash :( | 03:27 |
| leif__ | cyberholic, no specific requests here... but when you first said "start page" i was expecting web/internet types of things | 03:32 |
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| cyberholic | leif_ yeah... wrong title from me... i should call it "desktop clock" but even though most will misunderstand it :) | 03:38 |
| jott | cyberholic: the digital clock has a white line on the left side of the screen | 03:38 |
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| cyberholic | jott: have you cleared the cache? i thought i debugged that... | 03:40 |
| jott | i think so (just tried again) | 03:43 |
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| cyberholic | jott: sorry for my bad english, but does that mean that it is ok now? | 03:46 |
| jott | no.. :) | 03:47 |
| jott | it's still there | 03:47 |
| jott | let me restart the browser .. | 03:47 |
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| jott | yes.. the white line is still there (on the first slide and on the 3rd/digital clock slide) | 03:49 |
| lcuk_3 | cyberholic :) good to see you adapted your stance slightly, i like the interface | 03:49 |
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| cyberholic | lcuk... sorry ... did not catch up with what you mean.... have to exercise my english ;) ... what do you mean with "adapted your stance slightly" ? | 03:51 |
| cyberholic | jott: are you viewing it in fullscreen? | 03:51 |
| cyberholic | ok... forget my last question.... i now have it too! | 03:51 |
| lcuk_3 | your fanzine thing had us jumping through hoops to try and view it | 03:51 |
| lcuk_3 | this is just direct on a page :) | 03:51 |
| cyberholic | MY cache was not cleared :( | 03:51 |
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| cyberholic | Ok guys, i realy have to go to bed now. I have been working for over 18 hours by now and have to get up in 6 hours again. Thanks a lot for your testing of the cyberholic tool. wish you the best and see you later.... | 03:59 |
| johnx | thanks for the page. it's pretty slick. :D | 04:00 |
| johnx | 'night | 04:00 |
| pupnik | cheers cyberholic | 04:00 |
| cyberholic | Oh and yes, i will take care about the countdown and teatimer bugs! | 04:00 |
| cyberholic | nite people. | 04:00 |
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| leif__ | any python hackers awake? | 04:04 |
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| leif__ | might get a laugh out of this code I wrote: http://synthesize.us/sourceCheck.html | 04:05 |
| leif__ | (I decided to write a one-line python script instead of using that perl module I was talking about the other day) | 04:06 |
| leif__ | turns out python's email module can easily parse dpkg's metadata files :) | 04:06 |
| johnx | leif__, that's pretty cool | 04:07 |
| leif__ | as suspected, osso-rss-feed-reader is not the only piece of GPL software with a newer version on the device than in the source repo | 04:08 |
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| johnx | yeah, I'm sure I've seen a couple things at least | 04:09 |
| johnx | let me guess: bluez-utils is on that list as well? | 04:09 |
| leif__ | yes, bluez-utils (binary: 3.22-0osso2, source: 3.20-0osso2) | 04:11 |
| leif__ | (that is from the 2008HE actually) | 04:11 |
| johnx | 2008HE?? | 04:11 |
| johnx | hmm? | 04:11 |
| leif__ | hacker edition | 04:11 |
| leif__ | 770 | 04:11 |
| johnx | there's a 2008HE out? | 04:11 |
| leif__ | yeah just came out today i think | 04:11 |
| johnx | !! | 04:12 |
| leif__ | once swap is enabled it isn't too bad | 04:12 |
| johnx | I'm offline for like 12 hours and I miss that...I really thought they were going to put that off for months | 04:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was guessing at least another month. | 04:12 |
| johnx | I was guessing indefinitely | 04:12 |
| leif__ | Quim said "very soon" when asked on thoughtfix's show | 04:13 |
| leif__ | i didn't think it would be this soon though :) | 04:13 |
| johnx | yeah, really | 04:13 |
| leif__ | i still haven't installed the most recent release of ITOS2008 on my N800 | 04:14 |
| johnx | the 2007-50.2? | 04:15 |
| leif__ | yeah | 04:15 |
| leif__ | anyone else want to run this to make a list of what is missing? there are 85 "wrong versions" on the 2008HE... | 04:15 |
| jacques | what happened? | 04:15 |
| leif__ | wget http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo4.0/free/source/Sources && echo 'from sys import argv; from email import Parser; print "\n".join( (lambda sourceLists=["Sources"], packageLists=["/var/lib/dpkg/status"], parseFile=(lambda file, parser=Parser.Parser().parsestr: (dict(parser(package)._headers) for package in "".join(open(file)).split("\n\n"))) : [ "%s: %s (binary: %s, source: %s)" % (bin == src and "OK" or src and "Wrong version" or "Source | 04:15 |
| leif__ | missing", package, bin, src) for sources, binaries in [( dict((binary, source["Version"]) for source in (source for file in sourceLists for source in parseFile(file) if source) for binary in source["Binary"].split(", ")), dict(((package["Package"], package["Version"]) for file in packageLists for package in parseFile(file) if package.get("Version"))))] for package in binaries for bin, src in [(binaries[package], sources.get(package))] ])(*[[f for f | 04:15 |
| leif__ | in argv[1:] if f.endswith(s)] for s in ("Sources", "Packages") if argv[1:]]))'|python -|sort|grep 'Wrong version' > biglist.txt | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ohgod | 04:15 |
| leif__ | sorry :) | 04:16 |
| leif__ | but what is the point of writing long one-liners if not to paste them on IRC? | 04:16 |
| johnx | definitely 3 lines here :P | 04:16 |
| leif__ | and who says python needs whitespace? | 04:16 |
| leif__ | er i guess there is no need to have the sort and the grep at the end there, sorry :/ | 04:18 |
| leif__ | one or the other makes sense, but not both. | 04:18 |
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| goat|work | anyone know if the servers where the maps are dl'ed from is reallly slow or is it just my connection? | 04:20 |
| goat|work | for OS2008 | 04:20 |
| johnx | well, I haven't downloaded maps recently, but Nokia's servers being slow wouldn't be news... | 04:21 |
| goat|work | I'm trying to DL the Central Europe one (cause the US east was ~700MB) which is about 51MB, and its been chugging along. its making progress on the 50MB, at this rate, 700MB will take days :-D | 04:22 |
| goat|work | is there another DL method? pc based? | 04:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Looks like adv-backlight is still no-go under OS2008HE. | 04:24 |
| johnx | what kernel are they using on OS2008HE? | 04:24 |
| leif__ | still 2.6.16.27-omap1 from Sep 19 2006 :( | 04:25 |
| Navi | 2008HE is out? | 04:25 |
| johnx | apparently | 04:25 |
| * leif__ is running it | 04:25 | |
| Navi | That's a zomg | 04:25 |
| Navi | Does it suck as much as '07HE? | 04:25 |
| johnx | also, pigs flying over here, devil seen ice skating... | 04:25 |
| leif__ | I never used the 07HE much, but so far I've only had two crashes and both were while setting the home screen background | 04:26 |
| Navi | johnx, any pictures??? OMGOMGOMG | 04:26 |
| johnx | :P | 04:26 |
| leif__ | it is painful slow until you enable swap | 04:26 |
| johnx | I wonder if a lighter GTK theme would help | 04:27 |
| leif__ | GeneralAntilles, notice that the built-in brightness applet in OS2008 has a lot more levels on 770 than N800? | 04:27 |
| johnx | ahahaha...that's awesome :D | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I knew nothing would change from OS2007HE, but I can always hope. | 04:28 |
| leif__ | well i'm reluctant to say it is definitely the case, because I'm not sure how it would be, but it sure feels like LCARS made it faster :) | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | No transparency is LCARS, right? | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/is/in/ | 04:29 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: No transparency in LCARS, right? | 04:29 |
| johnx | ah, but LCARS still uses sapwood, right? I guess what I meant to say was a different gtk engine | 04:29 |
| leif__ | only on home applets | 04:29 |
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| johnx | I don't know what it would break, but I can definitely attest to how much of a difference a lighter GTK engine makes on a low-end Linux desktop/laptop | 04:30 |
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| Navi | Not much | 04:30 |
| leif__ | It would be interesting to see if hildon could run with a different gtk engine, I think it might not | 04:30 |
| johnx | and sapwood seems pretty heavy, being pixmap based | 04:30 |
| leif__ | but... sapwood was written specifically for the 770 wasn't it? | 04:30 |
| johnx | yeah, but I still bet it's heavier than "smooth" or the default gtk theme... | 04:31 |
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| johnx | probably lighter than the desktop pixbuf engine | 04:31 |
| Navi | The load between the glossy GTK theme (intensive) compared to flat (pfft) is negligible even on a low-end desktop | 04:31 |
| Robot101 | sapwood isn't a theme itself, it's a theme engine, an accelerator, which keeps the pixmaps cached in the X server and draws them from there rather than feeding them to the X server every time | 04:32 |
| Navi | Low end being my own machine: Celeron D, 256MB SDRAM | 04:32 |
| Robot101 | I understand that it saves quite a bit of memory copying, scaling and colourspace conversions compared to the normal pixbuf engine | 04:32 |
| johnx | Robot101, Right. I bet it does. But I wonder if a "plain" gtk engine might be faster | 04:33 |
| Navi | a bi | 04:33 |
| Navi | bit* | 04:33 |
| Navi | but not worth the ugliness | 04:33 |
| * leif__ has been running two copies of sapwood on the desktop, one for local use and one for Xforwarding themed apps to the N800 | 04:33 | |
| johnx | well, I'll test something and get back to you :) | 04:33 |
| leif__ | for some reason when I run normal gtk apps using a sapwood theme, the menu padding is all wrong | 04:34 |
| Navi | The performance difference between gtk theme engines really isn't all that much | 04:34 |
| johnx | Navi, it's noticeable on my zaurus... | 04:34 |
| Navi | 'cuz the Zaurus fails. | 04:34 |
| johnx | :P | 04:35 |
| johnx | xscale @ 416MHz is pretty darn close to the OMAP 2420 @ ~400MHz, IIRC | 04:35 |
| leif__ | running ITOS with non-hildon gtk themes won't yield a very usable system | 04:36 |
| johnx | well, I'll give it a shot and see what happens :) | 04:36 |
| leif__ | I made a blank theme with no gtkrc at all, and some things look great but the keyboard won't even open | 04:36 |
| johnx | ah | 04:36 |
| johnx | well, maybe nevermind then... | 04:37 |
| leif__ | it is too bad there isn't a way to get the plain gtk look in ITOS though | 04:37 |
| leif__ | because I kind of like it :) | 04:37 |
| Navi | The OMAP puhjowns xscale at any close clockrate | 04:37 |
| johnx | Navi, it depends on the task | 04:37 |
| Navi | s/clockrate/clockspeed/ | 04:38 |
| infobot | Navi meant: The OMAP puhjowns xscale at any close clockspeed | 04:38 |
| johnx | read up on a2dp/sbc encoding maybe? | 04:38 |
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| Navi | Pfft, minor niche tasks in a niche market | 04:39 |
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| johnx | heh...whatever | 04:40 |
| johnx | I own *both* devices | 04:40 |
| johnx | it's not like I *want* one to be better | 04:40 |
| Navi | And I own neither | 04:41 |
| Navi | it's not like I *care* | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 04:42 |
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| johnx | heh...actually I kind of got screwed both ways. The device that actually has a fast enough link between CPU and LCD controller doesn't have the guts for fullscreen 640x480 video and the one that has built-in bluetooth has naturally crappy results when doing SBC encoding... | 04:46 |
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| Navi | Ha | 04:47 |
| johnx | and then the device with the formfactor I like (my zaurus 5500) has limited support for kernel 2.6 | 04:48 |
| Navi | That's what you get for buying linux devices. Everyone knows that proprietary locked-in devices are best. | 04:49 |
| johnx | oh totally...it's really awesome being at the complete mercy of one vendor whose only goal upon selling you something is to also sell you the next something | 04:52 |
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| Navi | Of course. Only crap comes out of open sourced projects. | 04:53 |
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| johnx | it's times like these when I realize how the computer industry as a whole is the same place the automobile industry was in the 1950s or so | 04:57 |
| Navi | Down with the Tucker! | 04:58 |
| johnx | ?? | 04:58 |
| * Navi forgets when the Tuckers were being whipped up | 04:58 | |
| Navi | Well, car history then, I guess :) | 04:59 |
| * johnx hits up google/wikipedia aka the other half of his brain | 04:59 | |
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| Navi | Preston Tucker came up with a revolutionary car with features that even modern cars are just _now_ including | 04:59 |
| * johnx reads | 05:00 | |
| Navi | The big three manufacturers in the US drove him out of business | 05:00 |
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| leif__ | only 51 made! | 05:00 |
| Navi | s/three/three car/ | 05:00 |
| infobot | Navi meant: The big three car manufacturers in the US drove him out of business | 05:00 |
| leif__ | (according to the other half of johnx's brain, which is apparently editable by just anyone) | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't reach en.wikipedia.org. :\ | 05:01 |
| Navi | Interesting story, really. | 05:01 |
| Navi | The first display model was made out of junk and didn't even actually run | 05:02 |
| Navi | http://www.tuckerclub.org/html/history.php | 05:02 |
| leif__ | this sounds like the ideal car to dashmount a 770 in | 05:02 |
| johnx | that 1948 sedan actually looks really slick | 05:03 |
| leif__ | thanks Navi, I'd never heard of the Tucker before | 05:03 |
| Navi | Useless facts ain't so useless any more. | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check out the Lincoln Zephyr (40s) | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Purty car. | 05:04 |
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| pupnik | karateka! :) | 05:07 |
| johnx | yeah, mechanical fuel injection might not have been the best move... | 05:09 |
| leif__ | the 30s/40s Lincoln Zephyr looks very nice, but the 2006 model by the same name... not so much | 05:09 |
| Navi | but fuel injection, nonetheless | 05:10 |
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| Navi | GM's Chevrolet didn't have it until '57 | 05:12 |
| johnx | it took quite a while to get fuel injection right... | 05:12 |
| johnx | heck, lots of cars had carbs into the 90s | 05:12 |
| johnx | same with drum brakes | 05:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, lots of cars have drum brakes now. | 05:17 |
| johnx | yes, and that's terrifying | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're cheap, and perfectly reasonable as rear brakes for 90% of the economy lot. | 05:17 |
| johnx | for small cars I guess | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, not terrifying at all. | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes great sense as a cost-saving measure. | 05:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They're a LOT cheaper to manufacture. | 05:18 |
| johnx | I'd still rather have disks :) | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much better parking brakes. | 05:18 |
| johnx | that's because they're easy to lock :P | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Disc brakes only get a stupid little miniscule pad for the parking brake | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | drum brakes use the real pad. | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're only doing 20% of the braking on the rears, anyway. | 05:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | So things like fade and power aren't really an issue. | 05:19 |
| johnx | yeah, I just had lots of fun with locking the rear drums (sometimes on purpose, sometimes not...) on my '82 honda accord | 05:20 |
| Navi | lol | 05:20 |
| johnx | looking back, I probably needed to check the brake balance | 05:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 05:20 |
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| * johnx actually started like 4 wheel discs with ABS the last time he drove in the ice/snow | 05:21 | |
| johnx | s/like/liking/g | 05:21 |
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| pupnik | wow, this emu is only taking 8-10% cpu | 05:24 |
| Navi | ? | 05:24 |
| pupnik | down to 6 now | 05:24 |
| Navi | Which emu? | 05:24 |
| pupnik | the one i'm tweaking :) | 05:25 |
| Navi | :P | 05:25 |
| Navi | What does it emulate? | 05:25 |
| pupnik | an old computer | 05:25 |
| pupnik | but as usual there's all kinds of ui crapola that needs doing | 05:26 |
| pupnik | and sound is bluttery | 05:26 |
| Navi | What operating system does this old computer that's trying to be emulated run? | 05:26 |
| leif__ | And, does the old computer's CPU have a name? | 05:31 |
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| johnx | if not, can we name it? I' thinking "Fred" would be good... | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, "James". | 05:33 |
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| doc|home | so, can someone explain to me why it's so difficult to get replacement styluses? | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because Nokia hates you. | 05:37 |
| doc|home | but, I give them money :( | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | or, it's punishment for being forgetful. :P | 05:38 |
| doc|home | I wasn't forgetful, my dog decided he might like to chew on it for a bit | 05:38 |
| doc|home | little shit | 05:38 |
| doc|home | so I have one left and a fear of being forgetful :/ | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got another one in the box? | 05:39 |
| doc|home | yep | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've only almost lost one stylus with 4 tablets. | 05:39 |
| doc|home | so you have some spares you might flog? :) | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fell asleep in the break room at work using the tablet. | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fell into the cushions, but I found it later. | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2 spares for the N800s, 2 for the 770s. :P | 05:40 |
| doc|home | want to sell them? | 05:40 |
| Navi | Use it to create a mold | 05:40 |
| pupnik | i found a set on ebay | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:40 |
| doc|home | pupnik: I looked yesterday, couldn't see any | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like that thinking. | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Manufacture them. | 05:40 |
| Navi | and then create cheap replacement styluses and sell them for five dollars each | 05:40 |
| Navi | Idiots like GeneralAntilles will buy them up | 05:40 |
| doc|home | and me :o | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should do that. | 05:40 |
| Navi | See? | 05:41 |
| Navi | :3 | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Completely plastic. | 05:41 |
| Navi | I would go the other way | 05:41 |
| Navi | completely stainless steel | 05:41 |
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| doc|home | yeah, completely metal would be better | 05:41 |
| Navi | good feel to it | 05:41 |
| doc|home | then little shithead dogs wouldn't be able to chew them :( | 05:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Batch of a thousand would cost, what, $0.05-.10 a piece? | 05:41 |
| johnx | something like lead would be good | 05:41 |
| Navi | Don't make fun of dogs like that. | 05:41 |
| doc|home | johnx: nah, silver, or platinum | 05:41 |
| doc|home | Navi: I won't make fun when he doesn't chew my shit | 05:42 |
| Navi | Only make fun of humans. Humans are expendable | 05:42 |
| doc|home | 1,200 dollar stylus :D | 05:42 |
| Navi | Haha :) | 05:42 |
| Navi | There's something I wouldn't want to forget | 05:42 |
| doc|home | Navi: so are dogs once they're dropped off 10th floor balconies | 05:42 |
| * doc|home looks out his window | 05:42 | |
| doc|home | so, eh, wanting to flog spare styluses anyone? :) | 05:43 |
| Navi | Melt down your wife's jewelry to make a stylus | 05:43 |
| Navi | She'll appreciate it | 05:43 |
| joebloe | anyone know if evince works on OS2008 yet? | 05:43 |
| Navi | Build it | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | It has for a while, joebloe. | 05:44 |
| joebloe | ok .. i am somewhat obtuse tonight .. guess lack of sleep .. is it availible from one of the repositories .. or do i need to manually grab it? | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check gronmayer | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | or google | 05:45 |
| Navi | I should try to compile scratchbox/maemo-sdk on cygwin some time. | 05:45 |
| johnx | Navi, because you hate yourself? | 05:45 |
| joebloe | ok .. thanks .. will look on gronmayer | 05:45 |
| Navi | Because it would let Windows developers to get into the action without having to boot Windows or under a VM | 05:46 |
| Navi | :P | 05:46 |
| johnx | I mean....ow, seriously. Not anything against Windows, but scratchbox even hates non-debuntu linux | 05:46 |
| Navi | s/Windows/Linux | 05:46 |
| Navi | scratchbox is fine under non-debian linux distros | 05:46 |
| johnx | I thought that was where most people had setup issues? | 05:47 |
| pupnik | argh why is sdl sound so problematic with emulators | 05:47 |
| * Navi isn't running a debian-based distro | 05:47 | |
| johnx | never looked too closely... | 05:47 |
| johnx | oh, well I take it back then | 05:47 |
| johnx | have fun :) | 05:47 |
| doc|home | styluses? anyone? :) | 05:47 |
| Navi | there was one set up issue quickly resolved by setting a var | 05:47 |
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| johnx | doc|home, I'd love one | 05:53 |
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| susej | hello | 05:56 |
| johnx | hello | 05:56 |
| susej | im lloking for a video chat client that also works with pc | 05:56 |
| johnx | I believe that gizmo does | 05:58 |
| susej | so i thought | 05:59 |
| Navi | So you thought? | 05:59 |
| susej | but when i installed it there were no video otions | 05:59 |
| Navi | PC Gizmo has video. | 05:59 |
| susej | i oculd not find a link to a beta or anything | 05:59 |
| susej | yes | 05:59 |
| Navi | N800 Gizmo has video. | 06:00 |
| susej | but for my n800 its does not | 06:00 |
| susej | is there a beta version i have to get? | 06:00 |
| susej | i have 3.1.0.78 | 06:00 |
| Navi | Your version is dated. | 06:00 |
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| susej | what is the current version? | 06:01 |
| Navi | Chinook has 4.0.0.95 | 06:01 |
| susej | i am running bora | 06:01 |
| Navi | But Gizmo 3 had video as well. | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why would you be running Bora? | 06:01 |
| susej | just opened it | 06:01 |
| Navi | The general consensus is that you flash right away. | 06:02 |
| susej | what is the favored os? | 06:02 |
| Navi | Of course, you shouldn't listen to me as I don't own one. | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The latest, susej. | 06:02 |
| susej | the latest being chinook? | 06:02 |
| Navi | Yes. | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | More accurately, OS2008 | 06:03 |
| susej | i thougt that chinook was for the 810 | 06:03 |
| susej | so there is a os 2008 for the n800 | 06:03 |
| Navi | The N810 is just the N800 with a few revisions, all the same. | 06:03 |
| susej | orly? | 06:04 |
| susej | howso navi | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 06:04 |
| Navi | Howso? Same hardware. | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | GPS, transflective, keyboard, minisd | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's pretty much the extent of the differences. | 06:04 |
| Navi | I guess not everyone is like me. I really dig deep into the stuff I buy. | 06:06 |
| Navi | s/buy/looking to buy/ | 06:06 |
| infobot | Navi meant: I guess not everyone is like me. I really dig deep into the stuff I looking to buy. | 06:06 |
| Navi | s/I looking/I'm looking/ | 06:06 |
| leif__ | Navi, susej, Gizmo 3 does not have video afaik | 06:06 |
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| leif__ | Gizmo 4 does | 06:06 |
| Navi | Really? I remember people making video calls back on Bora. | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Using GTalk | 06:08 |
| Navi | ah | 06:08 |
| leif__ | and gizmo 4 is still not out for mac or linux (except ITOS2008) | 06:09 |
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| Navi | Funny | 06:09 |
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| Navi | What about Skype? | 06:09 |
| Navi | No video on the ITs? | 06:10 |
| johnx | video on desktop linux, no video on ITs | 06:10 |
| johnx | funny, isn't it? | 06:10 |
| Navi | the irony kills | 06:10 |
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| johnx | so Navi, which tablet are you leaning towards? is the requirement just pocketable and Linux or something else? | 06:15 |
| Navi | Leaning towards? | 06:16 |
| johnx | if you were to get a tablet, which one would it be? | 06:16 |
| johnx | what is your preference? | 06:17 |
| susej | hey guys thanks for all the help | 06:17 |
| susej | one more nub question b4 i go | 06:17 |
| johnx | sure | 06:18 |
| susej | where can i down load the os2008 | 06:18 |
| Navi | maemo.org | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tablet-dev.nokia.org/nokia_N800.php | 06:18 |
| leif__ | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php | 06:18 |
| Navi | johnx, there are several factors in my decision | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I won locally! | 06:18 |
| leif__ | me too! | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I screwed up the link. . . | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | DAMN! | 06:18 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, you won globally | 06:18 |
| Navi | sans leif__ | 06:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles concedes to leif__. | 06:18 | |
| Navi | Anyways | 06:19 |
| Navi | johnx, first and foremost is that it must be officially supported for at least a few more years after my purchase, or have a powerful development community behind it | 06:19 |
| Navi | secondly, it's gotta perform well _with_ good battery life. One without the other just doesn't cut it for me. | 06:20 |
| leif__ | so, looking at the 770's new unsupported release today with the same old kernel from September 2006 probably isn't encouraging you to buy from Nokia then? | 06:21 |
| Navi | Of course, it's gotta be pocketable and not too expensive | 06:21 |
| leif__ | ;) | 06:21 |
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| Navi | The proprietary bits really fuck it up. | 06:22 |
| johnx | so is Linux one of the requirements? | 06:22 |
| leif__ | yeah. | 06:22 |
| Navi | No, but it's a nice bonus. The fact that the IT _is_ Linux is a plus, however, the proprietary bits that come with it doesn't help it's case | 06:23 |
| Navi | s/IT/NIT/ | 06:23 |
| infobot | Navi meant: No, but it's a nice bonus. The fact that the NIT _is_ Linux is a plus, however, the proprietary bits that come with it doesn't help it's case | 06:23 |
| susej | i thought i only had one more | 06:25 |
| Navi | Really now, GNU is all about all or nothing. You either open the entire device or you lock it up. At least it's not the Mylo, though. | 06:25 |
| susej | is the current version 2.2007.50-2? | 06:25 |
| johnx | susej, yes | 06:25 |
| johnx | Navi, yeah...I'm not exactly thrilled either | 06:25 |
| Navi | I'm already set on buying the NIT, GeneralAntilles's fault. | 06:26 |
| johnx | heh...it really is pretty much the only thing in its category right now | 06:26 |
| * leif__ wonders where the 2008SE_2.2007.51-3 useragents got their firmware | 06:26 | |
| leif__ | (seen in access_log) | 06:26 |
| Navi | I was hoping the Intel MID would come around before I make a purchase | 06:27 |
| johnx | leif__, that's an user agent... | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Internal testing, leif__. | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mara, Texrat, etc. | 06:27 |
| johnx | rather, that's an *interesting* user agent | 06:27 |
| johnx | Navi, Until I see hardware in users' hands I'm not too inclined to believe how incredible the MIDs will be... | 06:28 |
| leif__ | as i mentioned the other day, there are also some people running RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_0.2008.06-10 | 06:28 |
| Navi | I'm infering on their decisions from past experience | 06:28 |
| Navi | Intel has a good track record of opening their drivers | 06:28 |
| johnx | somewhat | 06:28 |
| leif__ | i used a samsung UMPC with the intel MID software at linuxworld sf last year | 06:29 |
| johnx | they seem to be coming around recently | 06:29 |
| leif__ | it was running google earth :) | 06:29 |
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| johnx | leif__, impressive. how did the software feel compared to nokia's maemo? | 06:29 |
| leif__ | it felt like a 900mhz intel system | 06:29 |
| leif__ | because it was | 06:29 |
| Navi | Haha | 06:30 |
| leif__ | but it wouldn't fit in my pocket. | 06:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | leif__, can you suck the firmware out through their browsers? :P | 06:30 |
| Navi | Well, it was a Samsung UMPC :P | 06:30 |
| johnx | heh...but the actual design of the UI? | 06:30 |
| leif__ | it was ubuntu mobile edition, before gutsy was officially released | 06:30 |
| Navi | Ha | 06:31 |
| johnx | so pretty unfinished? | 06:31 |
| leif__ | apt-get install ubuntu-mobile if you want to see it... | 06:31 |
| johnx | yeah, I guess I should | 06:31 |
| Navi | They have a site | 06:31 |
| leif__ | yeah it was pretty unfinished at the time, and what really killed me was the home screen was all implemented in flash :( | 06:31 |
| Navi | or a dedicated page, at least | 06:31 |
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| Navi | http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile | 06:31 |
| johnx | I have hardy on my craptastic laptop, I'll just do my guinea pig experiments on it... | 06:32 |
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| leif__ | one of the intel guys from China had his 770 with him :) | 06:33 |
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| Navi | Lol | 06:33 |
| leif__ | so does anyone know if Ubuntu is working on an arm port? | 06:34 |
| Navi | Pfft | 06:34 |
| leif__ | there was talk about it at one time, but i never saw anything substantive | 06:34 |
| johnx | leif__, I highly doubt it | 06:34 |
| Navi | Ubuntu's just a preconfigured Debian | 06:34 |
| johnx | they even dropped PPC | 06:34 |
| Navi | If there is one, they'll just piggyback on Debian-ARM's progress. | 06:35 |
| johnx | well a lot of devs work on packages for both... | 06:35 |
| johnx | AFAIK | 06:35 |
| leif__ | johnx, not completely dropped | 06:35 |
| johnx | really? I didn't think they had a gutsy or feisty release for it? | 06:35 |
| leif__ | http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/hardy/main/binary-powerpc/ | 06:36 |
| johnx | so they have a community supported release now...ok, I see | 06:36 |
| leif__ | right. | 06:36 |
| leif__ | Navi, Ubuntu is a little more than just a preconfigured Debian | 06:38 |
| Navi | Ha, maybe to you. | 06:38 |
| leif__ | if you want to run closer-to-current versions of software without compiling your own stuff or using testing or unstable, Ubuntu has it | 06:39 |
| johnx | I'm perfectly happy with either for the most part... | 06:39 |
| Navi | ArchLinux. | 06:40 |
| leif__ | I'm perfectly happy using both | 06:40 |
| rm_you | johnx: johnx :P | 06:40 |
| johnx | rm_you, rm_you ? | 06:40 |
| leif__ | Navi, I've looked at that but haven't run it yet. Is that what you use? | 06:40 |
| rm_you | johnx: nothing :) just saying hi | 06:40 |
| Navi | All right, A stable preconfigured Debian Sid | 06:40 |
| Navi | leif__, yes. | 06:41 |
| acydlord | and there is mint | 06:41 |
| Navi | Mint is a themed Ubuntu | 06:41 |
| acydlord | the windows vista of debian distros | 06:41 |
| * rm_you runs Ubuntu Mint | 06:41 | |
| rm_you | i like the theme :P and it comes with all the codecs i want | 06:42 |
| Navi | I have to compile a few things to stay on the bleeding edge though, like mplayer-svn and ffmpeg-svn | 06:42 |
| acydlord | even ubuntu is too bloated for my tastes in their stock install | 06:42 |
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| rm_you | compiling mplayer is my hobby :P | 06:42 |
| rm_you | lol, yeah... i just installed debian on my server a few weeks ago and was reminded how ridiculously trim and snappy it is comparatively | 06:43 |
| Navi | webkit-svn, midori as well | 06:43 |
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| johnx | Navi, I finally got my midori build up in OE | 06:43 |
| Navi | cool | 06:43 |
| Navi | Yeah, I heard | 06:43 |
| johnx | oh, right | 06:43 |
| johnx | forgot if you were there | 06:43 |
| * johnx tends to just repeat the same things ... O_o | 06:44 | |
| Navi | ^_^ | 06:44 |
| rm_you | what is midori? besides delicious melon liquor and japanese for "green"? >_> | 06:44 |
| johnx | lightweight webkit based browser in gtk | 06:44 |
| leif__ | johnx, have you tried building chinook-compatible packages in OE (as talked about on planet maemo today)? | 06:44 |
| rm_you | ah | 06:44 |
| rm_you | neat | 06:44 |
| Navi | gtk and libsexy | 06:44 |
| johnx | leif__, sure, i'll give it a shot | 06:45 |
| leif__ | dunno if there are still pieces missing for that | 06:45 |
| johnx | well, I'll see | 06:46 |
| johnx | also, I'd like to try and get an angstrom build for the N800 | 06:46 |
| leif__ | there have been images of that available, but haven't tried it yet | 06:48 |
| leif__ | the only non-ITOS distro I've run on my N800 yet was Poky | 06:49 |
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| johnx | I thought I heard various things didn't work in those... | 06:49 |
| leif__ | yeah. | 06:49 |
| leif__ | it was fun for a little while though | 06:49 |
| johnx | it should be trivial to take the things that make Debian work and add them to angstrom | 06:49 |
| johnx | and to tell the truth...debian really is a little heavy for a zaurus or n800 | 06:50 |
| johnx | and the situation for cross compiling leaves something to be desired... | 06:50 |
| johnx | ah, I assume the chinook-compat stuff is in OE .dev not OE .angstrom-2007.1-stable | 06:52 |
| johnx | bleh | 06:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why does everybody want to feed the newbies red pill as some sort of magical fix-all on ITT? <_< | 06:56 |
| Navi | haha | 06:56 |
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| leif__ | johnx, "The most parts are already committed to the OpenEmbedded upstream, but we are still maintaining an overlay in our svn." according to http://smancke.blogs.evolvis.org/2008/02/13/using-openembedded-for-maemo-development/ | 06:57 |
| leif__ | whatever that means | 06:57 |
| johnx | leif__, thanks. I will RTFA :) | 06:57 |
| leif__ | GeneralAntilles, because it sounds cool? | 06:57 |
| Navi | I choose the blue pill | 06:58 |
| Navi | Anyways, Debian's too heavy for the NIT? | 06:58 |
| leif__ | yes please elaborate on that, johnx | 06:58 |
| johnx | ah, I will read the fine article :) | 06:59 |
| leif__ | couldn't it be as stripped down as ITOS, if not moreso? | 06:59 |
| Navi | Debian was designed to be able to run smoothly, even on ancient hardware | 06:59 |
| johnx | slashdot thing I guess | 06:59 |
| Navi | obviously, there are many things worked into the desktop Debian, but they can be stripped | 07:00 |
| johnx | it can be stripped down. We can do docpurge, but no matter what all the binary packages are going to be pretty big and configured with "everything including the kitchen sink" | 07:00 |
| Navi | But why use the binary packages? It's always more sane to gear software torwards your target platform. | 07:01 |
| johnx | so, repackage everything you ever want to use? | 07:02 |
| johnx | uhm...if that's what you're prepared to do, you're better off with Nokia's ITOS | 07:02 |
| leif__ | johnx, http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/282-Ways-to-fork-privately.html | 07:03 |
| Navi | I repackage plenty of things I use | 07:03 |
| Navi | and those repackagers can maintain a repository for others to use | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, but you're a crazy person. :P | 07:03 |
| Navi | I'm not crazy, you are. :P | 07:04 |
| leif__ | Navi, the two tough things then are (a) staying up to date, and (b) being compatible with the rest of Debian | 07:04 |
| johnx | yeah, let's splinter debian into a million little semi-incompatible repositories | 07:04 |
| johnx | and we can call it ... maemo! | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 07:04 |
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| Navi | If we were to do that, then I would certainly call it f0rqu3. | 07:05 |
| johnx | well everyone can name their own fork whatever they want. that's the best part! | 07:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then we'll have Fork Wars! | 07:06 |
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| leif__ | Navi, do you have an automated process to build new upstream releases of things you repackage using your own patches (as that blog post I linked is talking about)? | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like little warlords over our own little pieces of nothing. | 07:06 |
| johnx | and we can end up the same as the zaurus community! | 07:06 |
| johnx | woo! | 07:06 |
| * GeneralAntilles Fork Wars Navi. | 07:06 | |
| Navi | Both A and B are satisfiable with a system of maintainers and developers | 07:06 |
| Navi | as a true fork should have | 07:07 |
| leif__ | riight | 07:07 |
| Navi | leif__, yes, I have an automatic process. | 07:07 |
| leif__ | just add free labor ;) | 07:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles enslaves leif__. | 07:07 | |
| leif__ | what does it entail? | 07:07 |
| leif__ | (to Navi, not GeneralAntilles!) | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | You work, work a lot. For free. | 07:07 |
| Navi | yaourt -Syu --aur | 07:07 |
| * johnx really doesn't want to start a whole new distro... | 07:07 | |
| * leif__ reads more about ArchLinux... | 07:08 | |
| johnx | things that I've seen work: 1) hardware support packages for debian -and- 2) getting a supported machine profile in OE for angstrom | 07:08 |
| * johnx reads about arch as well... | 07:08 | |
| Navi | Of course, it's really not always automatic and entails editing pkgver= in a build script | 07:09 |
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| Navi | then building and install it | 07:09 |
| johnx | 2 you mean? | 07:09 |
| Navi | 2? | 07:09 |
| leif__ | oh, well that ruins it! | 07:10 |
| johnx | editing pkgver in a build script in OE or Debian? eh? | 07:10 |
| Navi | build script in Arch | 07:10 |
| johnx | ah | 07:10 |
| leif__ | assuming the patches apply correctly, it should be as simple as apt-get upgrade, imho :) | 07:10 |
| Navi | They're just bash scripts, not complicated deb build scripts | 07:10 |
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| * johnx will try arch another day, likely on his guinea pig laptop | 07:11 | |
| Navi | More than a fair trade to keep up-to-date on a binary distro | 07:12 |
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| johnx | I realized that I don't care all that much about whether 90% of my packages are up to date | 07:12 |
| johnx | and thankfully the API-breakage rate isn't as high as it was 10 years ago... | 07:13 |
| Navi | unless we're talking webkit | 07:13 |
| johnx | right, that falls into the 10% | 07:13 |
| johnx | and I build it out of git | 07:13 |
| Navi | API-breakage out of the ass | 07:13 |
| johnx | but all it's support libraries don't need to be built from source | 07:13 |
| johnx | I can use the ones in gutsy without issues | 07:14 |
| Navi | There are specific things I want to keep up with, even past the most recent stable release | 07:14 |
| johnx | me too, and I've found a debuntu distro to be good enough almost all the time | 07:15 |
| johnx | to each his own I think... | 07:16 |
| Navi | Firefox, mplayer, ffmpeg, mpd, abiword are all built on my PC | 07:16 |
| tuxthepenguin | anyone here use sqlite3 under maemo SDK bora? I'm seeing some annoying problems - 1) under ARMEL scratchbox - can create DB but then when you .exit or .quit and re-launch with the same db filename - it seems to have forgotten the schema and db contents | 07:16 |
| johnx | Navi, those days are over for me | 07:17 |
| Navi | every svn revision for mplayer, ffmpeg, and mpd. Every nightly for Firefox3 | 07:17 |
| tuxthepenguin | perhaps some sort of byte ordering issue?? | 07:17 |
| Navi | Every unstable snap for Abiword | 07:17 |
| johnx | Navi, ask me how fun building gnome 0.54 on a K62 was... | 07:17 |
| Navi | Bet it was very fun | 07:18 |
| tuxthepenguin | 2) also, the file produced inside scratchbox appears to be readable outside | 07:18 |
| tuxthepenguin | of scratchbox...strange indeed. it does seem readable via the | 07:18 |
| tuxthepenguin | python2.5 sqlite3 module under scratchbox. BUT inserts are being ignored when done via python2.5 | 07:18 |
| Navi | Thankfully, I don't have to build everything myself a la Gentoo. | 07:19 |
| tuxthepenguin | The sqlite docs mention that it will not work if forked - perhaps the qemu code at work behind the scenes is doing a fork?? Anyone have any ideas? | 07:20 |
| johnx | at one point in time I had a redhat 5.1 system that was about 80% the result of compiling from source with no package management | 07:20 |
| leif__ | Navi, so the process is that you edit the version numbers in some bash scripts, and then run one command? | 07:20 |
| leif__ | seems like the updating of version numbers could be automated too somehow... | 07:20 |
| Navi | correct, for the most part. | 07:21 |
| Navi | more bash scripts | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or fed as arguments at least. | 07:21 |
| Navi | bash scripts to automate the editing of bash scripts | 07:21 |
| johnx | then we just automate the process of updating so it happens automatically every so often...with bash scripts! | 07:21 |
| Navi | http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/midori-git/midori-git/PKGBUILD | 07:22 |
| Navi | pfft | 07:22 |
| Navi | cron, foo | 07:22 |
| Navi | no need to overload the bash scripts | 07:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | fractal bash scripts | 07:22 |
| johnx | who needs cron, when we have bash scripts! | 07:22 |
| johnx | "bash scripts all the way down" | 07:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of . . . bash scripts@ | 07:22 |
| * leif__ can | 07:23 | |
| Navi | I can imagine a GeneralAntilles made out of post-it notes. | 07:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.impawards.com/1999/posters/office_space.jpg ? | 07:25 |
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| Nickel_ | hello | 07:25 |
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| Navi | Heh, the NIT would replace so much of my phone's functionality | 07:25 |
| johnx | hi, Nickel_ | 07:25 |
| Navi | Nickel_, hi | 07:25 |
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| Nickel_ | trying to get n800 to stream as a webcam, can't find package gstreamer0.10-3gp-osso | 07:26 |
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| Nickel_ | anyone tried to do video streaming? | 07:27 |
| johnx | I thought someone was doing it with vlc a while back | 07:27 |
| pupnik | yes there are a couple of projects | 07:28 |
| pupnik | for one of them we're kind-of waiting for vlc 0.9 to be released | 07:28 |
| Nickel_ | i see | 07:28 |
| pupnik | i think there's a mythtv frontend, a 'mediaserver', and an 'orb' client also | 07:29 |
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| pupnik | oh i missed your prior post | 07:30 |
| Navi | Namely: Email, IRC, Email, Putty, Email, Media Playing, Email, dictionary, Email | 07:30 |
| pupnik | don't know about webcam - let me know if you find something | 07:30 |
| Nickel_ | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtostreamvideo/ | 07:31 |
| Nickel_ | This I have been trying to follow, but I can't seem to get all of the packages | 07:31 |
| Nickel_ | the gst-launch actually doesn't crash, but it gives a warning about Glib threading...'the application needs to be fixed..." | 07:32 |
| Nickel_ | and I haven't been able to open the stream from VLC (on windows) | 07:33 |
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| pupnik | cool, looking | 07:35 |
| leif__ | Nickel_, http://web.media.mit.edu/~lifton/snippets/n800_to_sl/ ? (I haven't tried it myself) | 07:35 |
| tank-man | i cant seem to stream from my mythtv setup | 07:35 |
| tank-man | the server shows up in the file manager, but the videos can't be played in the default media player on os2008 | 07:36 |
| Nickel_ | leif__: yes, that one is almost the same how-to | 07:36 |
| leif__ | sorry. | 07:36 |
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| pupnik | hrm not gonna do it.. too much headache for no real purpose | 07:40 |
| pupnik | is the n810 stylus the same as the n800 stylus? | 07:41 |
| leif__ | no | 07:42 |
| pupnik | k | 07:43 |
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| LoCusF | I would seriously like a thicker stylus but N810 is still usable | 07:49 |
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| Navi | It beats the DS stylus, I would think. | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You wouldn't know. | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're not part of the club | 08:06 |
| * GeneralAntilles ostracizes Navi. | 08:06 | |
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| Navi | The DS stylus cramps my finger. My little brother, being the creative scamp he is, made a pen stylus | 08:07 |
| Navi | s/finger./fingers./ | 08:07 |
| infobot | Navi meant: The DS stylus cramps my fingers. My little brother, being the creative scamp he is, made a pen stylus | 08:07 |
| Navi | Don't ostracize me. I want to be in the cool club! | 08:07 |
| Proteous | the cool club is full of losers | 08:08 |
| zoran | one person cannot do taht, Navi | 08:08 |
| zoran | it is a matter of comunity behaveour | 08:08 |
| Proteous | losers!!!! | 08:08 |
| Proteous | that'll show them | 08:08 |
| zoran | folks, what is the mp3 player you concider the best, having connection to linux/bsd box in mind? | 08:09 |
| Navi | mpd | 08:09 |
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| johnx | best mp3 player for tablet? or desktop Linux? | 08:11 |
| zoran | device, johnx | 08:11 |
| zoran | like ipod or alike | 08:11 |
| Navi | mpd for either | 08:12 |
| Navi | Canola2 looks nice though | 08:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Device, Navi. | 08:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800? :P | 08:12 |
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| Navi | Device? My phone. | 08:12 |
| zoran | ipod nano is about $200! | 08:12 |
| johnx | zoran, I use an N800 for mp3s :) | 08:12 |
| zoran | Navi, may I get your phone, please? | 08:12 |
| Navi | No. | 08:12 |
| rm_you | n800 was at $179 a few days ago :/ | 08:13 |
| johnx | two SD card slots, can sync via rsync | 08:13 |
| rm_you | it sold out QUICK | 08:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles got in on that sale. | 08:13 | |
| rm_you | oh? :P | 08:13 |
| zoran | my 770 is too big to walk with me all day | 08:13 |
| rm_you | you bought another? | 08:13 |
| johnx | need bigger pockets :) | 08:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Might gift it to my sister. | 08:13 |
| rm_you | ah :P | 08:13 |
| rm_you | neat | 08:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or it might just stay here. | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haven't decided. | 08:14 |
| Navi | :P | 08:14 |
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| zoran | dudes in buses have some strange white apples, looking realy fine | 08:14 |
| Lynoure | maybe Fuji apples... | 08:14 |
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| zoran | copying files to it could be a headache | 08:14 |
| zoran | or greenapples :) | 08:15 |
| Navi | The Clix would be my second choice of device | 08:15 |
| zoran | hm, those sensa models look all the same; cannot find the diffs | 08:16 |
| johnx | it's pretty hard for an mp3 player to be *different* these days | 08:17 |
| zoran | yeah | 08:17 |
| zoran | I have fine cd player and like it much | 08:17 |
| johnx | some flash, a codec, a small screen, a crappy plastic case, and the big difference is marketing | 08:17 |
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| zoran | connecting to bsd box is my problem | 08:18 |
| VonGuard | ho | 08:18 |
| VonGuard | big room | 08:18 |
| zoran | ti should be seen as usb device | 08:18 |
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| johnx | some sandisk ones do that, and even some sony stuff does now... | 08:19 |
| johnx | hi VonGuard :) | 08:19 |
| zoran | jonhx, yeah, you could be write | 08:19 |
| zoran | oh, right! | 08:20 |
| VonGuard | hi johnx | 08:20 |
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| VonGuard | you all worried about the Troll Tech purchase? | 08:22 |
| johnx | worried? not really | 08:22 |
| johnx | definitely interested to see where it takes things | 08:23 |
| zoran | trolls should worry | 08:23 |
| VonGuard | hehe | 08:23 |
| johnx | might mean some shakeup for symbian, but I think on maemo the most we'll see is that addition of Qt as a development option | 08:24 |
| zoran | and nokia if openmoko comes to public in neat way | 08:24 |
| VonGuard | http://blog.gism.net/2008/01/28/nokia-trolltech-tablet-redux/ | 08:24 |
| johnx | really, the more toolkit the support, the better in my book | 08:24 |
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| johnx | I'll be most interested in where it leaves motorola... | 08:25 |
| johnx | and their linux phones | 08:25 |
| VonGuard | yeah | 08:25 |
| VonGuard | they'll all be in a good position when google and android make all this shit irrelevent | 08:25 |
| johnx | yeah...unless they drop out of the handset business | 08:26 |
| johnx | does moto have an android phone in the pipeline? | 08:26 |
| VonGuard | dunno | 08:26 |
| zoran | handset looks like next all round device for everyone | 08:26 |
| VonGuard | i bet the support tyhe standard | 08:26 |
| VonGuard | yep | 08:26 |
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| johnx | zoran, definitely. that's why google is smart to aim their requirements low :) | 08:27 |
| pupnik_ | why do so many people assume google will be successful with android? | 08:27 |
| zoran | fic has some new phone, freerunner | 08:27 |
| johnx | because of low system requirements, smart phone functionality and lots of support | 08:27 |
| johnx | as long as google doesn't completely screw it up, I think they'll be successful in the long run | 08:28 |
| zoran | fic has gps to have tips, when you come near shop, post office etc | 08:28 |
| johnx | I'll reserver judgement on openmoko until I see the released version | 08:28 |
| zoran | really changes the way peole use it | 08:29 |
| zoran | johnx, correct | 08:29 |
| zoran | it lasts too long to see it as a product | 08:29 |
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| puika | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139637493 | 08:33 |
| johnx | puika, is this related to maemo? | 08:34 |
| VonGuard | no | 08:36 |
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| zoran | hm, what a mess about free music downloadable over the net! | 08:40 |
| johnx | zoran, hmm? you mean p2p? | 08:41 |
| zoran | slashdot pointed to some not really fnctional sites | 08:41 |
| zoran | yeah | 08:41 |
| zoran | not my kind of protocol | 08:41 |
| zoran | and some software should be installed | 08:41 |
| zoran | musicians and bands get a money from concerts this days, not cd-s | 08:42 |
| zoran | that could be a way to open all songs for download free | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just like it used to be. | 08:43 |
| zoran | yeah | 08:43 |
| zoran | liek in old greek times | 08:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, like, 100 years ago. | 08:43 |
| zoran | yes, jazz bands play for free on the radio | 08:44 |
| zoran | and you go to the dancing room for a fun | 08:44 |
| johnx | thankfully at least amazon seems to have rallied some support for "no DRM" music downloads | 08:44 |
| Nickel_ | thar's a man at the radio station'll pay you to sing into a can | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Radio and jazz wasn't 1908 | 08:45 |
| zoran | when I found it possible to be true, I started looking for decent mp3 player | 08:45 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: damn, I've been defeated again... >_> it's not looking good for LCARS icons till MAYBE tomorrow afternoon <_< | 08:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles sets more traps for rm_you. | 08:45 | |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: women are troublesome >_> | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the troubles come with benefits. | 08:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles turns Nickel_ into a frog. | 08:46 | |
| * rm_you sleeps | 08:46 | |
| johnx | 'night rm_you | 08:47 |
| rm_you | night john | 08:47 |
| rm_you | remind me to fill you in later :P | 08:47 |
| johnx | ok :) | 08:47 |
| pupnik_ | aha i can echo 4 > /proc/cpu/alignment manually right when i get to the error i care about... | 08:48 |
| zoran | on one mailing list I found thta ipod nano was seen as umass device! | 08:50 |
| zoran | freebsd from january | 08:51 |
| pupnik_ | it is | 08:51 |
| pupnik_ | but you can't copy music to it and have the ipod nano detect and play it | 08:51 |
| zoran | msdosfs? | 08:51 |
| zoran | some kind of registration? | 08:52 |
| pupnik_ | it uses an internal database and needs a program to write that correctly when adding music | 08:53 |
| pupnik_ | there's a gtk program that does this, but it never worked for me | 08:53 |
| pupnik_ | just don't buy an ipod | 08:53 |
| zoran | it is damn expensive, I won't | 08:53 |
| zoran | sandisk looks fine, sensa one | 08:54 |
| zoran | on the net, I mean | 08:54 |
| johnx | my wife has an e260 (I think that one). the ui is ok, nothing special | 08:55 |
| zoran | usb as umass? | 08:55 |
| johnx | yeah, you can switch modes | 08:55 |
| zoran | and decent sound? | 08:55 |
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| johnx | I'm not really an audiophile and I don't have good headphones | 08:56 |
| johnx | plus, I don't use it much. she keeps it in her purse :) | 08:56 |
| zoran | lp's were the best | 08:56 |
| zoran | nto so easy to take with you away of home | 08:56 |
| * johnx is perfectly happy with mp3s over bluetooth headphones | 08:56 | |
| zoran | k, I will change myself | 08:56 |
| zoran | I just don't know the topic | 08:57 |
| johnx | ah...the video support on it is *awful* | 08:57 |
| johnx | really bad | 08:57 |
| zoran | not my point of interest | 08:57 |
| johnx | just, pretend that's not even on the feature list | 08:57 |
| zoran | just music | 08:57 |
| johnx | just like the N800 camera :) | 08:57 |
| Fang64 | lol | 08:58 |
| Fang64 | two fails? | 08:58 |
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| Navi | The video support is just there because it was convienant | 08:59 |
| johnx | it uses some weird encoding of mjpeg | 08:59 |
| zoran | never used pc for that | 08:59 |
| johnx | with like mono sound | 08:59 |
| johnx | I'm not even kidding | 08:59 |
| johnx | like, you'd be better humming to yourself while watching a flipbook... | 09:00 |
| zoran | if that sansa could send 128/256 k... | 09:00 |
| Navi | The chipset they used supported it, so they stuck it in. | 09:00 |
| Navi | It's not even worth bothering | 09:00 |
| johnx | Navi, they don't *use* the chipset for video | 09:00 |
| Navi | Really? | 09:00 |
| johnx | the chip supports mp4 and they do mjpeg on the cpu | 09:00 |
| Fang64 | I think the Pandora might be better at it when it comes out if your looking for that kind of functionaliy | 09:00 |
| Navi | That's laughable. | 09:00 |
| Navi | Pandora over the N800 :D | 09:01 |
| Fang64 | at least for video | 09:01 |
| zoran | walking the street watching the movie | 09:01 |
| Fang64 | that OMAP looks better for video | 09:01 |
| Fang64 | well in general for media like that and if your into the whole emulation thing | 09:01 |
| Navi | you could go with a PSP if you're into video | 09:01 |
| johnx | ah, the N800 is fine for video for my needs | 09:02 |
| Fang64 | that too | 09:02 |
| Fang64 | lol | 09:02 |
| johnx | the sansa e2x0 is a joke though | 09:02 |
| Navi | as far as videos are concerned, they are. | 09:02 |
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| zoran | johnx, I'd use it just for mp3 | 09:02 |
| johnx | zoran, yeah, sorry, it's fine for music | 09:02 |
| Fang64 | I haven't had too many problems with video, unless your talking about flash video from other sites, that's a horror show | 09:02 |
| johnx | seems to last forever on a charge too | 09:02 |
| Fang64 | unless they finish loading x.x | 09:03 |
| Fang64 | yah music is great | 09:03 |
| Navi | we're talking about the e2x0 | 09:03 |
| Navi | Sansa | 09:03 |
| Fang64 | oh | 09:03 |
| Fang64 | not the N800 | 09:03 |
| Navi | They came out with that new sansa | 09:03 |
| Fang64 | ah, I own a sansa never used the video on it XD | 09:04 |
| Navi | I forget what they called it, not the crappy rhapsady one | 09:04 |
| Fang64 | oh | 09:04 |
| Fang64 | yah I ended up giving my to a family member to use | 09:04 |
| Fang64 | after I got the N800 | 09:04 |
| Navi | the wheel felt a bit better than the e2x0s | 09:04 |
| Navi | but it didn't light up | 09:04 |
| johnx | also, the e2x0 was charge from usb only | 09:05 |
| puika | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139637493 | 09:05 |
| zoran | I recall salesman talking about win program, needed for sansa to work | 09:05 |
| zoran | not what i found on the net | 09:05 |
| Navi | I wanted the Zen Vision for a while | 09:07 |
| Navi | not the crappy, ugly W | 09:07 |
| johnx | salesmen lie | 09:07 |
| Navi | the nokia tablet sized one | 09:07 |
| johnx | single-purpose devices have never really interested me | 09:07 |
| Navi | oh hei, the refined the look of the vision W | 09:08 |
| zoran | I like single purpose devices :0 | 09:08 |
| Navi | Ain't so bad anymore | 09:08 |
| zoran | tooth brush | 09:08 |
| zoran | hair comb | 09:08 |
| Navi | Toothbrush/toilet scrubber | 09:08 |
| Navi | hair comb/fur groomer | 09:08 |
| zoran | yeah, multi purpose brush | 09:08 |
| johnx | I guess I should say, I'm don't find single purpose devices *exciting* | 09:08 |
| Navi | Jack of all trades... | 09:08 |
| johnx | master of some | 09:09 |
| zoran | slave to none | 09:09 |
| Navi | Of course, I'm not an audiophile, I'm not picky on video as long as it doesn't suck balls | 09:09 |
| zoran | I'm picky on audio | 09:09 |
| johnx | but does others adequetely thus requiring me to carry/charge fewer devices... | 09:09 |
| zoran | do not care about video at all | 09:09 |
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| johnx | semi-picky on video | 09:09 |
| Navi | I like my websurfing not on tiny windows | 09:09 |
| Navi | s/windows/screens | 09:10 |
| zoran | hm, 1024x768 is something I would just like for graphical net | 09:10 |
| * johnx will websurf on whatever's at hand... | 09:10 | |
| zoran | console is fine on whatever | 09:10 |
| Navi | I'm known to ssh with my e70 | 09:11 |
| zoran | 770 is fine too for that | 09:11 |
| Navi | that tiny screen makes your eyes tired | 09:11 |
| zoran | anticipation is the king | 09:11 |
| johnx | zaurus 5500 was actually a pretty good portable ssh term | 09:11 |
| Navi | I really want to try paintnet | 09:12 |
| zoran | 770 is fine for ssh, except for sylusing | 09:12 |
| zoran | *stylusing | 09:12 |
| zoran | so, n810 _must_ be better for that | 09:12 |
| johnx | Navi, paint.net? | 09:13 |
| zoran | sansa seems to has some preconfigured directories, audible, config, one dnc... | 09:13 |
| zoran | some of them have card slot to extend memory | 09:15 |
| Navi | s/paintnet/mypaint | 09:15 |
| Navi | ttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16079 | 09:15 |
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| zoran | hm, copying files seems enough, but sansa obviously makes some hash to use id3 tags | 09:18 |
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| zoran | I'm not sure what playlists are, but they should not be copied | 09:19 |
| Navi | mypaint looks sexy | 09:20 |
| Navi | anyways, I'm off to bed | 09:20 |
| Navi | g'night | 09:20 |
| zoran | navy should never sleep | 09:21 |
| zoran | btw, dit to copy files is something like " ./MUSIC " | 09:21 |
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| pupnik_ | achchha... constant underruns | 09:31 |
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| Stskeeps | jku: www.citeulike.org/user/cvm is a good start - especially the taxonomy paper | 09:33 |
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| Stskeeps | jku: and after march we'll have one out that covers the issue of different radios causing fingerprint methods to perform worse | 09:35 |
| jku | Stskeeps, thanks | 09:36 |
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| pupnik_ | -Wcast-align | 09:42 |
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| doc|home | pupnik_: thanks for that (it not being the same) | 09:50 |
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| doc|home | spam ^ | 09:52 |
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| icepolarpolar | Hi I am new in Maemo development and trying to build a security application in Maemo Chinook .. | 09:55 |
| icepolarpolar | May I ask why Chinook do not come with osso-gnupg anymore? Basically I would need to access | 09:55 |
| icepolarpolar | the keyring and I would be using openssl too. | 09:55 |
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| pupnik_ | icepolarpolar: i see osso-gnupg in my repositories | 09:56 |
| pupnik_ | http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 | 09:57 |
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| icepolarpolar | pupnik: thanks .. in this page it says osso-gnupg has been removed from chinook | 10:05 |
| icepolarpolar | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/unstable/4.0beta/content-comparison-3.2-to-4.0beta.html | 10:05 |
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| icepolarpolar | hope to know the reason and would there is some new replacement for that package | 10:06 |
| icepolarpolar | by the way, i am referring to my scratchbox | 10:07 |
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| jku | icepolarpolar, you're looking at the page for beta | 10:10 |
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| jku | icepolarpolar, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/4.0b_vs_4.0_content_comparison.html says osso-gnupg source should be available | 10:10 |
| jku | not seeing the actual package though | 10:11 |
| * leif__ just checked | 10:11 | |
| jku | yeah, source is available | 10:12 |
| leif__ | osso-gnupg is 1.4.2-7 on the device and in the maemo4.0 source repo, but no binary package is available | 10:12 |
| icepolarpolar | thanks ppl .. so i can expect osso-gnupg to be continue to be available in the tablets right? | 10:14 |
| icepolarpolar | and I should compile the source for scratchbox development | 10:14 |
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| icepolarpolar | would there be any replacement package for osso-gnupg in the short future? | 10:16 |
| jku | icepolarpolar, N doesn't talk about the future much, but I'd guess you can rely on on gpg to be there... | 10:18 |
| jku | certainly for OS2008 lifetime | 10:18 |
| icepolarpolar | ok thanks a lot ppl :) | 10:19 |
| johnx | I agree with jku. It definitely looks like a lot of important stuff depends on it | 10:20 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:29 |
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| johnx | 'mornin' | 10:29 |
| icepolarpolar | paivaa | 10:31 |
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| pupnik_ | anybody feel like fixing up sound code for an emulator? :) | 10:37 |
| guardian | morning | 10:37 |
| pupnik_ | moohoo | 10:38 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:40 |
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| hahlo | offtopic, does anyone know how grub see optic drives like /dev/hdc ? | 10:46 |
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| johnx | hahlo, I don't think it *does* see them | 10:48 |
| johnx | were you looking to add a 'boot to cd' entry to your grub boot screen? | 10:48 |
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| hahlo | johnx: no i have problem to find /dev/hda in grub | 10:49 |
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| johnx | ah | 10:50 |
| hahlo | johnx: /dev/sda is hd0 | 10:50 |
| johnx | and /dev/hda doesn't get an (hdx) listing in grub? | 10:51 |
| Jaffa | johnx: grub tends to use hd(0,0) syntax | 10:51 |
| johnx | oops, forgot the syntax... | 10:51 |
| johnx | but it doesn't get a grub-style entry in grub? | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | You should be able to tab-complete and see what grub can see | 10:52 |
| johnx | also, grub syntax is (hd0,1). we were both wrong... | 10:52 |
| hahlo | how i ask grub to list all devices? | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | johnx: I thought it might be - I can never rememeber ;-) | 10:53 |
| hahlo | got two ata disks and 8 sata-disks | 10:53 |
| johnx | O_o | 10:53 |
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| johnx | hahlo, type: | 10:55 |
| johnx | find (hd | 10:55 |
| johnx | then hit tab | 10:55 |
| tama^2 | hi | 10:55 |
| johnx | hi | 10:56 |
| hahlo | johnx: ok thanks | 10:56 |
| keesj | Hi | 10:56 |
| Cptnodegard | i want to kill whoever put that sticker there on the igo kb -.- | 10:57 |
| pupnik_ | Binary + Sources of a very fast Apple ][ emulator now online. Consumes very little CPU, works like a charm except for sound buffer issues (fixable). http://pupnik.de/maemoapple.tgz Based off linapple / applewin sources. | 10:59 |
| inz | You should start making debs | 11:00 |
| pupnik_ | So... you fix the sound and I'll make the deb? | 11:02 |
| inz | Nah ;) | 11:02 |
| pupnik_ | You might enjoy seeing this one run... while playing Karateka it was only using 5-10% cpu... | 11:03 |
| johnx | that's pretty cool | 11:03 |
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| _collin_ | hi | 11:26 |
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| hrw | ~seen jott | 12:10 |
| infobot | jott <n=j@unaffiliated/jott> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8h 20m 41s ago, saying: 'yes.. the white line is still there (on the first slide and on the 3rd/digital clock slide)'. | 12:10 |
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| hrw | is it possible to restart X11 on os2008 without restarting whole device? | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | If you killed the watchdog, probably. | 12:50 |
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| zuh | I think shutting down any UI bits first and then X through the /etc/osso-af-init and /etc/init.d scripts should work | 12:56 |
| zuh | Even with the watchdog | 12:56 |
| zuh | But I haven't actually tested it that far so YMMV | 12:56 |
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| lardman | Anyone in the UK on here? | 13:02 |
| lardman | Best place to buy microSD for the n810? | 13:03 |
| hrw | microsd? not minisd? | 13:04 |
| hrw | but right - microsd are more popular | 13:04 |
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| wwp | w/ adapter ;) | 13:04 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia for keyboard handling | 13:04 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia for keyboard handling ! | 13:04 |
| hrw | usual curse ;D | 13:04 |
| lardman | I think it only takes microsd | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I got mine from mobymemory.com IIRC | 13:06 |
| lardman | I tried to fit a mini mmc yesterday and it wouldn't go in | 13:06 |
| lardman | Jaffa: yeah, I'm looking at that now; need it tomorrow though | 13:07 |
| lardman | need to check if they do next day | 13:07 |
| Jaffa | lardman: yeah, jut checked: mobymemory.co.uk | 13:07 |
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| lardman | hmm, doesn't look like that does Saturday delivery | 13:10 |
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| tony2001 | it's really annoying that packages get updated, but -dev packages are still of the old version | 13:16 |
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| hrw | tony2001: I would say 'welcome in maemo world' but today is Friday so I will not be so cruel | 13:29 |
| Robot101 | s/in/to/ :P | 13:30 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 13:35 |
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| trickie | keesj: nice that your lightning talk got it! | 13:38 |
| trickie | looking forward to it | 13:38 |
| trickie | in! | 13:38 |
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| hrw | guys: can maemomapper autosave tracks? | 13:50 |
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| tank-man | between sessions, yes | 13:52 |
| hrw | how to set it to do it? | 13:53 |
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| tank-man | hrw, by default it does that i think | 14:27 |
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| smilingMan | hi all | 14:53 |
| Tak | good morning smilingMan | 14:54 |
| smilingMan | I want some advice from ppl which have a handheld for some time | 14:54 |
| smilingMan | do you use the same google talk account on the pc and the handheld? | 14:54 |
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| smilingMan | do you have them both connected at the same time under the same account 24/7? | 14:55 |
| smilingMan | need I apply a script to kill my IM client at the pc when I am connected via the handheld? | 14:56 |
| Tak | I don't do much with gtalk on the device | 14:56 |
| smilingMan | hrw: hi | 14:56 |
| smilingMan | Tak: oh I see | 14:56 |
| Tak | but I've had it logged in at several different PCs, and it seems to handle it ok | 14:56 |
| jku | smilingMan, they can be both on | 14:56 |
| smilingMan | hi jku, would msgs be sent to the two devices ALWAYS? | 14:57 |
| jku | you can define different "profiles" (wait I'll dig the real name of that feature) | 14:57 |
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| smilingMan | when I leave the pc , I may leave the IM on, then when ppl see me on, they may msg me, while I am away | 14:57 |
| Tak | iirc the first message is sent to all devices, and if you respond on one, the remainder of that conversation is directed to that one only | 14:58 |
| jku | smilingMan, Resources. So your tablet might have resource "mobile" and your desktop resource "home" | 14:59 |
| smilingMan | now, If I use a second account, when it comes on , ppl may now I am not avail on my previous account | 14:59 |
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| hrw | I do not use google talk at all | 14:59 |
| hrw | I use normal jabber ;D | 14:59 |
| jku | hrw it's just xmpp | 14:59 |
| hrw | jku: I know | 14:59 |
| smilingMan | hi hrw, fine, what do you use to have both clients on? | 14:59 |
| hrw | smilingMan: different resources | 15:00 |
| smilingMan | where can I define these resources? in the client? | 15:00 |
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| smilingMan | pls tell me where to define the "resource" in the handheld | 15:00 |
| jku | smilingMan, unorftunately xmpp resource prioirities are not widely usedin clients so messages sometimes end up in wrong places... | 15:01 |
| jku | smilingMan, see the advanced settings in IM client | 15:01 |
| Tak | crap - "grep: /usr/lib/libXext.la: No such file or directory" | 15:01 |
| * Tak not sure whether to hate libtool or maemo | 15:02 | |
| jku | smilingMan, remember to set "away when idle" that helps to get messages to (mostly) the right place | 15:02 |
| smilingMan | oh I do have "resource" in my kopete | 15:03 |
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| smilingMan | ok, so my freinds - use he same handle - but the clients figures what resource to use? | 15:03 |
| jku | smilingMan, if message is sent without specified resource (the normal situation) the server decides which resources it will send the message | 15:05 |
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| jku | it should do it based on resource priorities, but like I said client support is not too good | 15:05 |
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| smilingMan | can I name the resource in my maemo client? | 15:05 |
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| jku | smilingMan, yeah in some advanced account settings | 15:06 |
| smilingMan | no priority setting | 15:07 |
| smilingMan | fine thanks | 15:08 |
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| jott | hello | 15:44 |
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| Tobotras | What to read to get a quick intro to programming in maemo? Maemo-specific, I mean. | 15:45 |
| jku | Tobotras: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/Quick%20Start%20Guide/ | 15:46 |
| Tobotras | jku: thanks | 15:46 |
| jku | that is linked on the main documentation pag, by the way | 15:46 |
| jku | page, even | 15:47 |
| Tobotras | :) | 15:47 |
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| Tak | ./maemo_example: Segmentation fault | 15:50 |
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| jott | there is no plain, "continuous" slider in hildon? the gtkhscale looks alienated and the hildoncontrolbar is ridiculously slow with increasing range... | 16:01 |
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| Tak | continuous? | 16:02 |
| jott | the hildoncontrolbar uses this "discrete" blocks | 16:02 |
| Tak | what about HildonSeekbar ‽ | 16:02 |
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| jott | that looks wrong.. as i have to set the fraction to maximum and then it's all "blue" | 16:03 |
| jott | (as position <= fraction) | 16:03 |
| jott | the only thing that looks quite good is the volume slider but that has the mute toggle.. | 16:04 |
| * Tak shrugs | 16:04 | |
| Jaffa | jott: presumably you want something like the volu... yeah | 16:04 |
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| Tak | custom widget? ;-) | 16:04 |
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| jott | i suppose.. man gtk sucks :P | 16:05 |
| Tak | no, gtk is awesome | 16:05 |
| jott | no way ;) | 16:05 |
| Jaffa | jott: check on maemo-developers | 16:05 |
| Tak | blame hildon/maemo/nokia for making it look and act like crap on the device :-P | 16:05 |
| Jaffa | In fact, rm_you's enhanced backlight control has one just like that (from the screenshots) | 16:05 |
| jott | it's the hildoncontrolbar and it's slow :/ | 16:06 |
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| LastLemming | hello | 16:31 |
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| Navi_ | Ha | 16:57 |
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| solmumaha | where do i uncheck make accidental doubleclicks? | 16:58 |
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| hrw | jott: hi | 17:05 |
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| jott | hrw: hello | 17:05 |
| hrw | jott: do you have working ISO_Level5_Shift keymap? | 17:05 |
| jott | yes, i suppose | 17:06 |
| hrw | jott: I tried to make <COMP> ISO_Level5_Shift but it then works like there is no key (added it as modifier) | 17:06 |
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| jott | for some reason you also need to define "modifier_map Mod3 { ISO_Level5_Shift };" | 17:07 |
| jott | to make the key work.. | 17:07 |
| hrw | jott: http://pastebin.ca/905065 | 17:07 |
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| jott | hm | 17:07 |
| jott | and Chr does not activate Level5 for you? | 17:08 |
| jott | (for the EIGHT_LEVELs) | 17:08 |
| hrw | not at all | 17:08 |
| hrw | xev recognize it as Meta_R | 17:09 |
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| jott | fwiw i defined the key and modifier_map in "base".. don't know if this changes anything | 17:09 |
| jott | xev shows state 0x20, keycode 135 (keysym 0xfe11, ISO_Level5_Shift), same_screen YES,... | 17:10 |
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| leo2007`` | what would the next version of n series look like | 17:11 |
| hrw | jott: I want to not touch original keymaps | 17:11 |
| jott | i see.. but still might be worth a try to narrow it down | 17:12 |
| hrw | jott: it has to be normal package not hack ;) | 17:12 |
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| hrw | yep | 17:13 |
| hrw | leo2007``: will have foldable 1680x1050 7" screen, dual ARM Cortex and 4D acceleration | 17:13 |
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| jott | and it can make coffee | 17:13 |
| Navi_ | sexy | 17:13 |
| hrw | wimax, wimin, wifi, redtooth, bluetooth and 24 days on one charge | 17:14 |
| jott | oh and it will be based on windows mobile 7 :P | 17:14 |
| hrw | jott: no - linux + qt (now when nokia owns trolltech)... | 17:14 |
| jott | hehe i would be fine with that ;) | 17:15 |
| Navi_ | Pfft, my device has all that and it's based on Windows Mobile Vista, which makes it better. | 17:15 |
| zoran | with patch for mind supression? | 17:16 |
| Navi_ | yes | 17:17 |
| jku | zoran, I believe distributing a reality distortion field with home electronics is patented, but maybe this is different... | 17:17 |
| zoran | this sp11143 will erase all same minds and set defaults | 17:18 |
| zoran | *sane | 17:18 |
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| jott | hrw: mh i moved the definition and mapping up to my local keymap and it still works.. | 17:21 |
| * jott rereads the hrws pastebin | 17:21 | |
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| jott | you are aware that the order is: "None, Shift, LevelThree, Shift+LevelThree, LevelFive, Shift+LevelFive, LevelThree+LevelFive, Shift+LevelThree+LevelFive" | 17:23 |
| jott | ?! | 17:23 |
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| hrw | yes | 17:23 |
| hrw | jott: I will do more testing during weekend - now I have to go | 17:24 |
| jott | hmm i c&p'd your stuff | 17:24 |
| jott | ~ $ setxkbmap -symbols "nokia_vndr/rx-44(pl)" | 17:25 |
| jott | Error loading new keyboard description | 17:25 |
| jott | hmm | 17:25 |
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| hrw | will test later | 17:25 |
| hrw | bye | 17:25 |
| jott | bye | 17:25 |
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| jott | this setxkbmap could be more verbose :/ | 17:26 |
| jott | increases -v | 17:26 |
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| jott | hrw|gone: ok found your error - AC01 misses a comma between "exclam exclam" | 17:38 |
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| pupnik | here is a nice puzzle for jott? :/ :) Apple ][ emulator - almost working great http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=142736#post142736 | 17:51 |
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| jott | :) | 17:52 |
| BReady6433 | hello :) | 17:52 |
| pupnik | hi | 17:53 |
| BReady6433 | how ya doing pupnik? | 17:54 |
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| zoran | kernel mode reading? | 17:56 |
| pupnik | podnering why openal is not working | 17:58 |
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| BReady6433 | cool | 18:05 |
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| lardman | bye all, see you in 3 weeks | 18:20 |
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| BReady6433 | dang it nm didn't mean to send that i found it | 18:24 |
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| Jaffa | BReady6433: osso-email if it's the built-in client | 18:39 |
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| jackster | anyone else experienced a problem with itos2008's mail program and gmail imap? | 18:42 |
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| Jaffa | jackster: no-one uses the built-in mail program as it's a pile of crap, and has been since OS2005. | 18:42 |
| jackster | i click on an email and it just sticks saying 'retrieving' | 18:42 |
| ||cw | Jaffa: don't hold back, tell us how you really feel :D | 18:43 |
| jackster | ah, well that's good to know, any alternatives? | 18:43 |
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| Jaffa | jackster: http://modest.garage.maemo.org | 18:43 |
| jackster | thanks | 18:43 |
| Jaffa | ||cw: the fact it's still there, and modest is still beta - after 3 years - pisses me off when I think about it | 18:44 |
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| ||cw | claws any good? | 18:45 |
| Jaffa | Not a good mobile UI, IMHO | 18:45 |
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| ||cw | still using 06 on a 770, looks like modest is no option for me :/ | 18:46 |
| Jaffa | doh | 18:46 |
| Jaffa | There's a 2008 HE now, I read. | 18:46 |
| Tak | moo?! | 18:46 |
| ||cw | unstable it says, and not likely to become stable from the sound of it | 18:46 |
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| Jaffa | They've said that about every HE, AIUI? | 18:47 |
| Jaffa | Ah, but it does sound very broken. | 18:47 |
| Tak | Jaffa: where did you read this? | 18:48 |
| pupnik | first reports claim it works pretty well | 18:48 |
| BReady6433 | well it was my fault because gmail uses ssl.. but it should have timed out or something! | 18:48 |
| Jaffa | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/internet_tablet_hacker_edition_pushed_at_chinook_level.html | 18:48 |
| Jaffa | ^Tak | 18:48 |
| Tak | killer, thanks | 18:48 |
| Tak | "Hardware limitations are clear in certain circumstances, extra swap memory is required to get a decent performance, the device reboots from time to time..." | 18:49 |
| Tak | that was already true of 2007HE and 2006 | 18:49 |
| pupnik | :) | 18:49 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: fancy making http://maemo.org/news/announcements/rss.xml syndicated on p.m.o? | 18:49 |
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| pupnik | Tak did you see this? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16662 | 18:54 |
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| Tak | pupnik: very cool | 18:55 |
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| BReady6433 | any one know if 2008os make finger scrolling a little easier on apps like the web browser? | 18:57 |
| zuh | Compared to what? | 18:58 |
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| BReady6433 | i just noticed that the reason why scrolling is so hard on opera is because i am not using the stylus.. heh | 18:58 |
| BReady6433 | compared to os2007 | 18:59 |
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| zuh | Well at some point it was ok. Then they made it "easier" to select text and scrolling became very error prone (ie. half of the time you end up selecting text). I'm not sure if it was the 2007->2008 transfer or what. Though I guess it was beta versus final 2008, since it was microb in both cases... | 19:01 |
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| zuh | But I think some of the problem is just that the touchscreen is a bit flakey | 19:02 |
| * Jaffa is still looking for his perfect device :-/ | 19:02 | |
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| Jaffa | N810 is closest, but if only it had the polish and attention to detail of an iPhone. You'll just not get that from a big diverse company like Nokia, though | 19:03 |
| BReady6433 | okay what you mean by error prone would it crash the app? or you mean text would be selected instead of a link ? | 19:04 |
| zuh | Text selected instead of scrolling. Touching links is near-impossible even with the stulys ;) | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | I manage with my thumbs somehow | 19:05 |
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| mgedmin | but it does appear that microb in os2008 is buggy and often selects text instead of scrolling | 19:05 |
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| mgedmin | or sometimes it's just too slow to start scrolling | 19:05 |
| BReady6433 | if the n800 had open authentication with wep and a hair smaller size it would be perfect to me.. | 19:06 |
| pupnik | karateka is so awesome :) | 19:06 |
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| zuh | I poke at the link. It gets a mouseover hilight. I poke it again, it gets the blue focus rectangle. I poke third time, almost ramming the stylys through the screen and *then* microb goes "oh, you meant _activate_ the link..." | 19:07 |
| Tak | if it gets focus, just push the enter button ;-) | 19:07 |
| mgedmin | right, that's what I do ;) | 19:08 |
| BReady6433 | hah yeah i have to click the link a hundred times to get it to work | 19:08 |
| zuh | Tak: I already poked it twice by then, you'd think once would suffice :) | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | strange random bug: once I managet to get a popup menu on a link, and it had "open link" but not "open link in new window" | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | usually I find both items in the menu | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | if I knew how to reproduce, I'd create a bug report | 19:09 |
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| zuh | mgedmin: It depends on the link type, IIRC if it opens in a new window by default (ie. has target=foo) the menu doesn't show the new window option... | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | aha! | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | darn | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | a new window was exactly what I wanted :) | 19:10 |
| zuh | Yeah, quite backwards isn't it :) | 19:11 |
| zuh | The links that you are most likely to want in a new window are not showing the option... | 19:12 |
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| _berto_ | solmumaha: you there ? | 19:14 |
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| pupnik | i managed to discover that doubling the amount written by Speaker.cpp elinimates the frequent underruns | 19:33 |
| pupnik | but this is not the correct solution | 19:34 |
| Tak | no amount of buffering will suffice if the fill rate is consistently less than the play rate | 19:36 |
| derf | That's not true. | 19:36 |
| derf | 100% buffering will suffice. | 19:36 |
| Tak | that's true; however our devices don't have enough ram to 100% buffer an infinite stream | 19:37 |
| derf | Curses! | 19:37 |
| Tak | maybe the n900 ;-) | 19:37 |
| Navi | By the time I find a job and get an n800, the n900 will be out :( | 19:40 |
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| pupnik | Tak it's a programmatic problem - the engine has self-adjusting bufferfilling code, which i haven't grokked yet | 19:44 |
| pupnik | the emu is idling most of the time | 19:44 |
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| pupnik | karateka has a beautiful phased/chorused pulse-wave monophonic software synth... such a shame to hear it go blrubrbuphthlbp | 19:46 |
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| pope523 | Can someone answer a quick question about the N800's capabilities? I bought a 770 and found there's a couple of things it can't do that I need. | 20:07 |
| Jaffa | e.g.? | 20:07 |
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| pope523 | Mount Windows shares and play MP3 audio and Divx/xvid video from them, and PPTP VPN tunnelling. | 20:08 |
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| pupnik | can someone advise/help linking to hardware floating point libm | 20:10 |
| michele_ | gosh... this lenovo X300 is lovely | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | pope523: what's the question? | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | fwiw I'm sure it's possible to find 3rd party software that lets you mount windows shares and do pptp | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | but it won't be easy, I expect | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | a n800 with os2008 can mount windows shares out of the box | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | I haven't noticed any pptp | 20:13 |
| Jaffa | pope523: OS 2008 allows mounting Window shares and accessing any file on them. DivX/Xvid playback has improved slightly, and mplayer keeps getting better but most video files probably best being transcoded | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | video is still problematic | 20:13 |
| Jaffa | PPTP VPN tunnelling is apparently possible (needs a new kernel) and although it'd be handy for me, I haven't tried | 20:14 |
| pope523 | Ok, thanks | 20:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Didn't fanoush compile a kernel to support PPTP? | 20:16 |
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| BReady6433 | i keep on getting errors for libc6. i look in app manager and find no libc6 to dl. which repo would that be in? | 20:18 |
| BReady6433 | when i install diff apps i get that is | 20:19 |
| darkip | checked in red pill mode? | 20:19 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: indeed | 20:21 |
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| BReady6433 | no.. still missing lbc6. thanks fpr the idea though | 20:27 |
| BReady6433 | would it be inside a ;ib package found in app manager? | 20:28 |
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| BReady6433 | so i did an apt-get install libc6. it says i already have it! | 20:41 |
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| BReady6433 | i enter matrix in website form in new app catalogue, hit cancel and select red pill. thats all i have to do for red pill mode, correct? | 20:43 |
| jku | BReady6433, what exactly is the erro you get? | 20:43 |
| jku | BReady6433, it's really not possible to not have libc6 so that's not your problem | 20:45 |
| BReady6433 | i must be doing redpill qrong.. | 20:45 |
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| BReady6433 | is there a way to check the version of libc6? | 20:56 |
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| BReady6433 | sorry jku | 20:58 |
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| jku | BReady6433, "apt-cache policy libc6" | 20:59 |
| jku | but like I said that's not your problem | 20:59 |
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| jku | not unless you've used considerable violence... | 21:00 |
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| BReady6433 | lol ol | 21:00 |
| BReady6433 | ok | 21:00 |
| jku | so what was the original error message, and what were you doing? | 21:03 |
| BReady6433 | ok | 21:03 |
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| BReady6433 | i was trying to install the dtris .deb abd once i click install in app manager it tells me it couldnt install because some packages required are missing. | 21:06 |
| BReady6433 | i checked details and it is the libc6 >= 2.5.0.1 | 21:07 |
| BReady6433 | this is after i enabled redpill mode | 21:07 |
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| jku | ithat is not compatible with any ITOS I believe | 21:08 |
| jku | the newest OS has 2.5.0-1osso7 and AFAIK that is a smaller version number than 2.5.0.1 | 21:08 |
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| BReady6433 | dang hit wrong x | 21:09 |
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| Navi | xxxx | 21:13 |
| BReady6433 | yyyyyy | 21:13 |
| Navi | zzzzzzzz | 21:13 |
| jku | BReady6433, if you're talking about ltris, then the dependency is to 2.5.0-1 which is fine on the newest OS | 21:14 |
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| jku | BReady6433, which OS version are you running? | 21:14 |
| BReady6433 | 2007 | 21:14 |
| jku | well there's your problem no doubt, older libc | 21:15 |
| jku | that is a way to have an older libc... | 21:15 |
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| BReady6433 | oh! | 21:16 |
| BReady6433 | so maybe i should upgrade.. | 21:16 |
| jku | BReady6433, yeah, I don' | 21:17 |
| jku | I don't think much software will support 2007 in a while | 21:17 |
| jku | anyway OS2008 is pretty good | 21:17 |
| BReady6433 | ok.. is that what happened to 2006 and 2005 ? | 21:18 |
| BReady6433 | ok i think i qill do that tonight | 21:19 |
| jku | BReady6433, yeah, pretty much, 2006 is still the official OS for the 770 so that has some reason for existence, but OS2007... I think it will pretty much disappear | 21:20 |
| BReady6433 | alright cool. | 21:21 |
| BReady6433 | thanks for your help man | 21:21 |
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| fugitivo | hello | 21:35 |
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| suseJ | hello | 22:00 |
| suseJ | what is the best package for getting root | 22:00 |
| Tak | hello | 22:00 |
| suseJ | ? | 22:00 |
| suseJ | on os2008 | 22:00 |
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| suseJ | what is the default root password on for os2008 | 22:02 |
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| suseJ | can i ad my user to the wheel group? | 22:02 |
| jku | suseJ, I just install openssh and "ssh root@localhost" | 22:02 |
| * jott uses easyroot | 22:03 | |
| pupnik | softvfp uses hardfloat? | 22:03 |
| pupnik | sorry i think i get it | 22:03 |
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| pupnik | the -mfpu=vfp says 'use hardfloat' and the -mfloat-abi=softfp means be comatible with the softfloat libraries linked-in | 22:04 |
| suseJ | what is the perfered ap for getting root on the os 2008? | 22:05 |
| n800music | is there anyone working on a music sequencer? | 22:06 |
| jott | pupnik: yes, i think this is somehow correct (as in vfp instructions with compatible eabi) | 22:09 |
| jott | suseJ: well there is "gainroot", "easyroot" and openssh and then ssh locally... (i prefer easyroot YMMV) | 22:10 |
| pupnik | n800music: not really. i have found some that might be good candidates | 22:10 |
| jott | n800music: i have compiled schism tracker that works quite nice | 22:10 |
| n800music | sweet! | 22:10 |
| jott | hydrogen works too, but is at the hardware limit | 22:10 |
| suseJ | ok | 22:11 |
| suseJ | sounds good | 22:11 |
| suseJ | easy root it is | 22:11 |
| suseJ | thanks for the advice | 22:11 |
| n800music | how do i get that to work | 22:11 |
| n800music | is it hard fir mediocre linuxer people | 22:11 |
| n800music | err you know what i mean | 22:12 |
| suseJ | is there a working snes emulator for os2008? | 22:12 |
| jott | n800music: i've some packages for schismtracker.. hold on i can put them somewhere.. | 22:12 |
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| jott | http://sse2.net/schism/ you have to install them with dpkg.. | 22:17 |
| jott | (red pill should work too) | 22:17 |
| jott | n800music: ^^ | 22:17 |
| jott | do you know schism tracker? | 22:17 |
| n800music | no but i know trackers | 22:17 |
| n800music | been using buzz since 98 | 22:17 |
| jott | ok.. it's an clone of the oldschool impulse tracker | 22:17 |
| n800music | cool | 22:17 |
| jott | http://sovietrussia.org/wiki/Schism_Tracker | 22:17 |
| jott | for some infos :) | 22:17 |
| jott | sound quality is nice.. i played some xm and it files and they sound great imho ;) | 22:18 |
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| jott | i assume you have os2008, but the packages *should* work on 07 as it's basically just SDL.. if there are missing dependency i can put them on the site too | 22:19 |
| n800music | awesoome, lemme try it | 22:20 |
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| TommyA | hi. got a strange problem with os 2006, python 2.4 and ukmp/uktube. ukmp does start and works well, uktube does not start and the main problem is that opera seems to be damage since installation as the url bar is hidden since then. | 22:21 |
| pupnik | suseJ: you can get about 12-18 fps with this one http://pupnik.de/snes9x.html | 22:21 |
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| pupnik | jott: coool :) | 22:22 |
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| pupnik | suseJ: but you have to fix the sound | 22:25 |
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| jott | n800music: erm only problem might be input without a keyboard :( .. there is no vkb and i've a n810 so no need for a vkb :/ .. | 22:27 |
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| jott | pupnik: a generic sdl vkb would be really great useful sometimes :) | 22:28 |
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| jott | s/t u/t and u/ | 22:28 |
| infobot | jott meant: pupnik: a generic sdl vkb would be really great and useful sometimes :) | 22:28 |
| Tak | I started porting my ruby one to vala | 22:28 |
| n800music | jott i would get a bluetooth kb just for this | 22:29 |
| Tak | I'm currently blocking on laziness/a better xml lib binding | 22:29 |
| suseJ | nice | 22:29 |
| pupnik | i would recommend bluetooth keyboard unconditionally | 22:29 |
| suseJ | thanks pupnik | 22:29 |
| suseJ | is there a working version of kismet for os2008 | 22:30 |
| suseJ | i saw a few but they were not for os 2008 | 22:30 |
| pupnik | don't think so | 22:31 |
| n800music | i can't install the one on the sse2 server | 22:31 |
| jott | n800music: what's the problem? | 22:32 |
| n800music | something incompatible, one sec | 22:32 |
| jott | do you have os08? | 22:33 |
| suseJ | what is the best samba client that is avalible? | 22:33 |
| n800music | yeah | 22:33 |
| jott | ok.. it should definitely work somehow then ;) | 22:33 |
| n800music | incompatible app package | 22:34 |
| jott | hmm ah yeah.. it's not maemo-rized | 22:34 |
| jott | the "easiest" way is to install them via dpkg from xterm | 22:34 |
| jott | (so ssh root@n810 and then wget http://sse2.net/schism/libxxf86misc1_1.0.1-2_armel.deb and wget http://sse2.net/schism/schism_0+20071208-1_armel.deb and then dpkg -i libxxf86misc1_1.0.1-2_armel.deb schism_0+20071208-1_armel.deb .. | 22:35 |
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| * jott should set the "right" section :/ | 22:35 | |
| pupnik | http://pastebin.ca/905501 hehehe dosbox 0.58 drawing much to the screen (oprofile) | 22:37 |
| n800music | hm i never logged into as root before | 22:39 |
| n800music | i just got mine a couple days ago | 22:40 |
| jott | n800music: oh :) .. just install openssh server via the app manager.. it will ask you for a password and start ssh then | 22:40 |
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| n800music | still around? | 22:54 |
| jott | yes | 22:54 |
| n800music | installed ossh | 22:54 |
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| n800music | mmm now what ;( | 22:54 |
| jott | can you ssh into the device? | 22:55 |
| n800music | ssh root@n800 doesn'ted do anythung | 22:55 |
| jott | ssh root@theipofyourn810 ;) | 22:56 |
| jott | are you on windows or *nix? | 22:56 |
| n800music | i'm on the n800 atm | 22:56 |
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| jott | ah ok.. you can then ssh root@localhost for now :) | 22:57 |
| n800music | hence my typing speed | 22:57 |
| n800music | ok | 22:57 |
| jott | (i just assumed that typing the long url is not very convinient when you are on your desktop :) | 22:58 |
| n800music | i'm in | 22:59 |
| n800music | i'm trying to/get used to.it | 22:59 |
| jott | hehe sure :) | 22:59 |
| jott | wget http://sse2.net/schism/libxxf86misc1_1.0.1-2_armel.deb && wget http://sse2.net/schism/schism_0+20071208-1_armel.deb && dpkg -i libxxf86misc1_1.0.1-2_armel.deb schism_0+20071208-1_armel.deb | 22:59 |
| jott | ^^ copy and paste this ;) | 22:59 |
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| keesj | jott: as root I guess :0 | 23:04 |
| jott | yes.. ;) he has already done ssh root@.. ;) | 23:04 |
| * jott should create an .install file ;) | 23:05 | |
| n800music | i don'tknow how to copy in pidgin | 23:08 |
| n800music | i probably sound retarded. | 23:09 |
| * jott never used pidgin.. maybe someone else can help .. but i would guess ctrl+c might work | 23:09 | |
| n800music | it's the interface, the touchscreen | 23:10 |
| n800music | throwing me off | 23:10 |
| lcuk_3 | i bet there isnt a single person here who hasnt asked a seemingly silly question on irc before | 23:10 |
| n800music | i bet yiu're wrong | 23:11 |
| n800music | i hope | 23:11 |
| n800music | ok i get wget: not found | 23:12 |
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| jott | n800music: you can try this.. my first "install" http://sse2.net/schism/schism.install ;) | 23:12 |
| jott | seems to work here ;> | 23:12 |
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| jott | yieks.. wget is not install per default? | 23:13 |
| jott | the install should be easier :) | 23:13 |
| jott | (the schism.install ) | 23:13 |
| n800music | how does this work? | 23:16 |
| jott | ah mime type is also fixed ;) | 23:16 |
| n800music | ah | 23:16 |
| jott | you should be able to just click on the link | 23:16 |
| jott | and then "Open" it with the application manager | 23:16 |
| jott | Tools -> Clear -> Cache in the MircoB browser .. :) | 23:17 |
| n800music | worked | 23:17 |
| n800music | ty | 23:17 |
| jott | it's not finished yet i suppose :O | 23:17 |
| jott | hope all dependencies are in the repos ;) | 23:17 |
| jott | hm really straight forward this .install stuff as it seems | 23:18 |
| pupnik | you must set the mimetype | 23:18 |
| n800music | is the path ok? | 23:18 |
| jott | pupnik: yeah already done ;) | 23:19 |
| n800music | i got an error at the end about the path to the file seems | 23:19 |
| jott | hmm.. what exactly? | 23:19 |
| n800music | one second | 23:20 |
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| n800music | failed catalog | 23:21 |
| n800music | the path/to the packages.gz is 404 | 23:21 |
| jott | hu? | 23:22 |
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| jott | hmmm | 23:22 |
| n800music | here's the path: | 23:22 |
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| Tama^2 | Hello folks | 23:23 |
| jott | hello | 23:23 |
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| n800music | http://sse2.net/shism/dists/chinook/main/binary-armel/Packages.gz | 23:24 |
| jott | arg.. i messied a "c" somewhere.. why did it work for me :/ | 23:25 |
| n800music | no that's me | 23:25 |
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| jott | ah.. ok | 23:25 |
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| jott | ah ... i see.. still strange that it worked for me.. | 23:25 |
| jott | just a sec | 23:25 |
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| jott | n800music: ok ..try again.. :) | 23:27 |
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| n800music | if ths works you should totally post it | 23:30 |
| n800music | it'll spur some interest | 23:30 |
| jott | yeah.. i'll might have to fix the .desktop file first.. :) | 23:30 |
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| pupnik | erghafhaoshfaoshfaosh | 23:33 |
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| n800music | installed! | 23:33 |
| n800music | running | 23:33 |
| jott | ah nice | 23:34 |
| n800music | keymap is off so i can't do anything | 23:34 |
| n800music | but still kickass | 23:34 |
| jott | the hardware buttons should work | 23:34 |
| pupnik | try xkbd and not fullscreen | 23:34 |
| jott | press back for example | 23:34 |
| jott | the fullscreen button should start playing | 23:35 |
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| jott | and zoom out stop ;) | 23:35 |
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| jott | still you can download http://alanator.com/music/oldskool/2nd_pm.s3m for example and play it :) | 23:36 |
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| Tama^2 | lol I remember that song | 23:36 |
| * Tama^2 enter nostalgia mode | 23:37 | |
| Tama^2 | *enters | 23:37 |
| pupnik | good sounds but very overused orchestra stab now :) | 23:40 |
| pupnik | oh it's from the unreal demo | 23:40 |
| jott | second reality :) | 23:40 |
| n800music | sweet | 23:41 |
| n800music | i gotta split, thanks a mil | 23:41 |
| pupnik | those guys were great - i think some of them went on to program Max Payne | 23:41 |
| pupnik | cheers n800music | 23:41 |
| jott | n800music: have fun :) | 23:41 |
| jott | and zoom out is start play :) | 23:41 |
| jott | ok.. | 23:41 |
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| jott | erm zoom in | 23:41 |
| jott | anyway :) | 23:41 |
| * jott looks out for some other nice modules | 23:42 | |
| jott | hehe maybe a bunch of chiptunes ;) | 23:43 |
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| pupnik | it has a .sid player? | 23:44 |
| pupnik | forbidden forest theme is nice | 23:44 |
| jott | uuuhm no but chiptunes can also be in .mod format ;) | 23:45 |
| pupnik | oh ok | 23:45 |
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| jott | so the <10kb ones or so.. dunno what the size limit was .. | 23:46 |
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| pupnik | interesting idea. using simple waveforms in mods and translating the control information to .mod format | 23:46 |
| jott | http://www.chiptunes.org/files/ | 23:47 |
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| jott | i guess ~30k was the limit | 23:48 |
| jott | but most are ~10k ;) | 23:48 |
| * jott downloads the chiptunes-full archive ;) | 23:48 | |
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