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| Fang64 | indeed problems | 00:00 |
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| edistar | nobody has any idea how to kill the ui? | 00:01 |
| konttori | edistar: what ui? | 00:01 |
| Fang64 | ps -A find the pid and kill it as root? | 00:01 |
| edistar | konttori: the maemo ui | 00:01 |
| edistar | Fang64: it restarts automatically again then | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It never did anything to you. | 00:01 |
| Fang64 | ah | 00:01 |
| Fang64 | hehe he's angry at it | 00:02 |
| konttori | kill the watchdog? | 00:02 |
| edistar | Fang64: /usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop | 00:02 |
| edistar | konttori: and that is? | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think the watchdog keeps matchbox alive. | 00:02 |
| konttori | Go to RD mode (If I remember correctly, it'll shut down some watchdog activities) | 00:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles could very well be wrong, though. | 00:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's actually an rd-flag. | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, enable RD mode then add the no-watchdog flags. | 00:03 |
| edistar | konttori: how do I get into that RD mode again? | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher | 00:03 |
| konttori | use the linux flasher | 00:03 |
| edistar | and then? | 00:03 |
| konttori | set the rd flag with the flasher | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=<flags> | 00:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Then -R it. | 00:04 |
| edistar | GeneralAntilles: and this flag would be no-watchdog? ;) | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags to show the flags | 00:05 |
| * Jaffa yawns | 00:05 | |
| GeneralAntilles | There are a couple. | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure which one/if any of them will actually keep matchbox from relaunching. | 00:05 |
| edistar | GeneralAntilles: ok, thx | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think it's one of the hardware watchdogs | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I don't recall. | 00:05 |
| edistar | no-lifeguard-reset? | 00:05 |
| konttori | well, depends on what you try to do, but if you want to just kill the desktop, you should be able to do that even while matchbox is still running | 00:06 |
| edistar | konttori: I'd ideally want to kill xserver | 00:06 |
| konttori | perhaps your best shot is to install the kde version | 00:06 |
| konttori | just an idea. I really don't know what you try to do. will you shed any light? | 00:07 |
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| indolent | anybody knows how to scan the wifi channel using the command line ? | 00:11 |
| edistar | indolent: iflist scan | 00:12 |
| edistar | indolent: iwlist | 00:12 |
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| edistar | sry | 00:12 |
| indolent | thanks edistar but i am using n800 and the iwlist scan is not compatible from the wirelesstools | 00:13 |
| edistar | indolent: oh, bad luck | 00:13 |
| indolent | i tried using them non the less but the scanning fails after couple of runs | 00:14 |
| indolent | sry s/non/none | 00:14 |
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| edistar | btw, thx GeneralAntilles! it works now, I can kill anything I want ;) | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo! | 00:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Will his bloodlust ever be sated? | 00:15 |
| edistar | GeneralAntilles: different question, do you know how I get the ecore/evas/edje packages for fb? | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | fb? | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check gronmayer? | 00:17 |
| edistar | ? | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it | 00:17 |
| edistar | ok | 00:17 |
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| * Jaffa can recommend a spell at forum.eeeuser.com to really appreciate how worse ITT could be (or where it's going) | 00:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ Yeah, that last part. | 00:28 |
| edistar | btw, is there any disadvantage of running maemo in RD mode? | 00:29 |
| Jaffa | http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=14588#p137585 for example | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | edistar, supposedly maybe. | 00:30 |
| Jaffa | edistar: there used to be no delay from touching the power button to it turning on; so if you had it switched off in a bag, you couldn't often come back to it booted up | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Practically, doesn't seem like it. | 00:30 |
| edistar | ok | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | The price of popularity. | 00:32 |
| konttori | Anyone want to try out usbcontrol (sans ukmp)? | 00:32 |
| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3352/usbcontrol-1.0_all.deb | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | konttori: is it a funky little statusbar applet, or a desktop applet, or a discreet little window yet? ;-) | 00:33 |
| konttori | May need to install ukmp 1.74 over 1.73. | 00:33 |
| konttori | Jaffa: Absolutely no change to the prior version. | 00:33 |
| konttori | But, packaged as separate app, as requested by quite a few people | 00:33 |
| Jaffa | Fair enough. Didn't try it TBH, only just got my female/female adapter and happy with the command line for the moment. | 00:33 |
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| konttori | Could you try it out just for me? | 00:34 |
| konttori | Just to see if it works. | 00:34 |
| Jaffa | Sure | 00:34 |
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| konttori | thanks! | 00:34 |
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| Jaffa | konttori: works perfectly (I've not got UKMP installed at the moment, so there's clearly no dep on that). Does it just switch mode, or does it intelligently look for file systems to unmount etc? | 00:37 |
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| Jaffa | Two more suggestions: 1) Default install location of "Settings" rather than "Extras"; 2) make it a dialogue box rather than full screen, with three buttons on top of each other, with 48x48 icons | 00:38 |
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| konttori | It's dummy as hell | 00:38 |
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| konttori | Thanks for the encouragement! Yeah. I've been thinking to do layout changes. Just need to have something else on the screen as well. | 00:39 |
| konttori | Maybe allow key reconfiguration or something like that. | 00:40 |
| konttori | anyway, to bed now. Thanks! | 00:40 |
| konttori | IF you wanna hack it a bit, just sudo and then vi /usr/bin/usbcontrol | 00:40 |
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| lcuk | conttori@810# usbcontrol disable | 00:41 |
| lcuk | ;) | 00:41 |
| lcuk | ^k | 00:41 |
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| MangoFusion | Jaffa: haha, i saw that screen resolution thing earlier. hilarious | 00:45 |
| * lcuk fails to see the funny cos its all logical and makes sense | 00:47 | |
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| MangoFusion | aarrgh, my eyes | 00:47 |
| lcuk | i use scaled vnc desktops quite a lot at work, even down to someone asking for a screenshot | 00:48 |
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| lardman | evening all | 00:50 |
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| MangoFusion | true but would you use it 24/7? | 00:51 |
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| Navi | I'd use it as long as I'm away from my desktop | 00:52 |
| lcuk | i dunno, i lived for years with amiga high resolution flickery interlace on an old sd tv, is this solution really any worse? | 00:52 |
| Navi | except instead of vnc, it'd be remote X | 00:52 |
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| * Jaffa doesn't imagine using it too often, but handy to have in the toolbox. | 00:53 | |
| Jaffa | Bed time now, tho' | 00:54 |
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| Solarion | maemo/nokia person ping | 00:55 |
| Mousey | damn maemo/nokia shoulda been at SCALE | 00:55 |
| Mousey | everybody loved the n810 | 00:55 |
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| Solarion | I love my n810. I was doing work during colloquium. :) | 00:56 |
| Solarion | plus, since it runs x11, I cna redirect x11 output back to my screen. w00t! | 00:56 |
| Mousey | except for the grand prize of the raffle, i think mine was the ONLY one there | 00:56 |
| darkip | i'm on mine now | 00:56 |
| Mousey | there were 800s tho | 00:56 |
| * Solarion found an important bug which should be relayed to nokia/maemo people ASAP | 00:59 | |
| Mousey | http://bugs.maemo.org? | 00:59 |
| Solarion | yeah, but it's currently assigned to "nobody"; how long does it take nokia/maemo to pick up important bugs? | 00:59 |
| Mousey | the whole device is a giant security hole. I direct trains thru it | 00:59 |
| Mousey | choo choo! | 01:00 |
| Solarion | heh | 01:00 |
| Mousey | Solarion: i have no idea.. in fact, i'm just a loudmouth newbie, and safe to ignore ^_^ | 01:00 |
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| sfire | will the n800 and the n810 be able to run the same software forever? example if OS2009 comes out will I still be able to upgrade | 01:00 |
| johnx | sfire, I think Nokia has committed to at least one more major release for the n800, which would be OS2009 | 01:01 |
| sfire | is the handwriting recognization good? | 01:01 |
| lcuk | you are guaranteed to be able to run the software you got when you purchased the device. anything else is a bonus, but based upon past experience and a sprinkling of nokia info you should be able to follow the update trail for a while | 01:02 |
| johnx | not really... | 01:02 |
| sfire | just trying to decide between the n800 and the n810 | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't imagine them dropping the N810 after a single update. | 01:02 |
| johnx | not really to the handwriting... | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I'd bet we might even see OS2010 on the N800 | 01:02 |
| lcuk | dropping the 810 == dropping the 800 as well | 01:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sfire, there's no real difference between the two hardware wise. | 01:02 |
| lcuk | until then they are tied together by common hardware | 01:03 |
| johnx | it's the same motherboard with different accessories plugged in, basically | 01:03 |
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| * lardman hopes OpenGL will eventually come out of the Nokia woodwork | 01:03 | |
| sfire | so if size isn't a concern just carrying around a bluetooth keyboard makes them about equal right? | 01:03 |
| * lcuk dremels out the camera and gps and puts in radio and popout cam | 01:03 | |
| lcuk | +gps yes | 01:03 |
| dtahtbot` | lcuk: Error: "gps" is not a valid command. | 01:03 |
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| lardman | another bot | 01:04 |
| lardman | +hello bot | 01:04 |
| dtahtbot` | lardman: Error: "hello" is not a valid command. | 01:04 |
| johnx | +shutup bot :) | 01:04 |
| dtahtbot` | johnx: Error: "shutup" is not a valid command. | 01:04 |
| lardman | :) | 01:04 |
| MangoFusion | what's a good bt keyboard for the n800 anyway? i have been looking around but i can't quite find one that stands out | 01:04 |
| lcuk | +sql"is_not_a_command | 01:04 |
| dtahtbot` | lcuk: Error: "sql"is_not_a_command" is not a valid command. | 01:05 |
| sfire | I saw one in a video that folds.. don't know who makes it though | 01:05 |
| johnx | igo makes one that a lot of people seem to have | 01:05 |
| * johnx doesn't have a bt keyboard | 01:05 | |
| lcuk | plenty make folding kb now, and rolling and virtual and fullsize | 01:05 |
| MangoFusion | the only bt keyboard i have is a big clunky apple one - not very portable ;) | 01:05 |
| lcuk | is it the old style one? | 01:05 |
| MangoFusion | yes | 01:06 |
| lcuk | are you happy with its performance? | 01:06 |
| lcuk | (im looking at one) | 01:06 |
| MangoFusion | i was contemplating the new one, but that is still not portable enough from what i have seen | 01:06 |
| lcuk | do batteries last? is it comfy.... | 01:06 |
| sfire | http://www.compuplus.com/i-Think-Outside-XTBTUE-iGo-Stowaway-Bluetooth-Keyboard-1011314~.html?sid=3uyc75zp0vo3y6v | 01:06 |
| MangoFusion | mine has worked fine so far | 01:06 |
| sfire | that one ^^ ? | 01:06 |
| MangoFusion | not replaced the battery's since i got it | 01:06 |
| MangoFusion | though i didn't use it for a while so maybe that factors into it | 01:07 |
| lcuk | cool, i think im gonna get one of them then, dont like the new apple one | 01:07 |
| lcuk | http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=bluetooth+folding+keyboard&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi&gbv=1&ei=FdWwR7TcMJWmwwHonLB7 | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | theres lots of folding keyboards btw | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | nokia n96 has a kickstand :D | 01:09 |
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| blahdeblah | I have a Think Outside Bluetooth Foldable Keyboard - it performs extremely well once you get used to the layout, but is a bit on the fragile side. Operation with my N800 is flawless. | 01:11 |
| MangoFusion | i just got an n95. now i'm going to be depressed | 01:11 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 01:11 |
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| lardman | MangoFusion: Or you could be inspired to get the same stuff working on the N8x0... ;) | 01:12 |
| lcuk | lardman, have seen my first fb pixels written :) | 01:13 |
| lardman | good stuff, I've seen my first colour blocks from the dsp :) | 01:14 |
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| lcuk | thanks for the base, its got the x layer running, ive added the mplayer fb layer and found he stops a certain way along because hes aiming for a fullcolor screen, im heading into the deeper waters of the framebuffer... | 01:14 |
| lcuk | excellent | 01:14 |
| solmumaha | lardman: fyi, LD_LIBRARY_PATH works, but not from memory card | 01:14 |
| lardman | am tidying up the code to send to the list | 01:14 |
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| lardman | solmumaha: ah ok, bit of a pita those mount options | 01:15 |
| lcuk | good man | 01:15 |
| lcuk | these smallish programs could be compiled and deployed so much easier with direct onboard maketools/gcc etc | 01:15 |
| lardman | it's very very very slow | 01:15 |
| solmumaha | and you can't install stuff on memory card either, dies on chown :( | 01:15 |
| lardman | ok for very small stuff I suppose | 01:16 |
| lcuk | even for these small base tests? | 01:16 |
| lardman | solmumaha: vfat | 01:16 |
| solmumaha | i know | 01:16 |
| solmumaha | would have been nice though | 01:16 |
| lardman | lcuk: On the Zaurus, running any build tools on device was painfully slow | 01:16 |
| lardman | solmumaha: yep | 01:16 |
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| lardman | lcuk: though we have more RAM, and that was the limiting factor on the Zaurus in the end | 01:17 |
| lcuk | ill see about a custom no build opts, just all in a direct shell script running gcc as i go | 01:17 |
| johnx | also, I think the IO speeds on the NIT are generally better | 01:17 |
| johnx | heh...speaking of slow, my webkit gtk+ build in qemu-system-arm on my desktop is still going from last night O_o | 01:17 |
| lcuk | it might work for specifics | 01:17 |
| lcuk | im just annoyed developing inside the vmware bubble | 01:18 |
| lardman | johnx: oh dear, what spec is the build machine? | 01:18 |
| johnx | athlon 64 3000+ | 01:18 |
| johnx | it's faster than just about any retail available ARM machine I'm pretty sure... | 01:19 |
| lcuk | in a vmware box? | 01:19 |
| lardman | johnx: my first OE build machine was a p3-400 w/ 64Mb RAM. That was painful, especially in the old bad bitbake-needs-lots-of-memory days | 01:19 |
| lardman | johnx: :) | 01:19 |
| * johnx waits for scratchbox2 ... | 01:19 | |
| * lardman uses OE + bitbake to build things | 01:20 | |
| sfire | can anyone tell me what specs the battery is in the n800.. newegg lists that it uses a common BP-5L battery and I'm looking to see if there is anything that might provide a longer runtime | 01:20 |
| lardman | AC? ;) | 01:20 |
| lcuk | car battery? | 01:21 |
| sfire | lol | 01:21 |
| lardman | lcuk: Too heavy | 01:21 |
| sfire | was looking for more unwired time | 01:21 |
| johnx | interesting...mine doesn't seem to list mA on it... | 01:21 |
| lcuk | you could try a solar array shaped as wings | 01:21 |
| lcuk | they supply the power and help you get around faster | 01:22 |
| MangoFusion | i've got a great idea | 01:22 |
| MangoFusion | get a crank | 01:22 |
| lcuk | one of these kneee power devices | 01:22 |
| MangoFusion | attached to a wind-up generator | 01:22 |
| sfire | a internet search shows that they range from 800mAh to about 1500 mAh | 01:22 |
| darkip | scratchbox 2???? | 01:22 |
| MangoFusion | whenever you want to use your tablet again, crank like mad for a day | 01:23 |
| MangoFusion | or two | 01:23 |
| lardman | sfire: The batteries? | 01:23 |
| lcuk | get an arm crank and when you want to use it, you just flap your wings like a chicken | 01:23 |
| sfire | yep | 01:23 |
| * lardman switches N800 off to pull out battery | 01:23 | |
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| johnx | darkip, the new scratchbox :) | 01:23 |
| * lardman forgot how hard that is to do | 01:24 | |
| darkip | what's new in it? | 01:24 |
| lcuk | does it run in wndows? (cower!) | 01:24 |
| johnx | it works rather differently, but I couldn't begin to describe it: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2 | 01:24 |
| lardman | sfire: Mine says BP-5L 1500mAh | 01:24 |
| sfire | lardman: thanks.. exactly what I was looking for :) | 01:25 |
| johnx | lcuk, maybe in cygwin with some hacking? | 01:25 |
| lardman | np | 01:25 |
| lcuk | hmmmm john.. | 01:25 |
| johnx | lcuk, maybe once windows improves its POSIX compliance :P | 01:25 |
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| lcuk | on linux lowers its :P | 01:26 |
| lcuk | or^ | 01:26 |
| johnx | heh. well, you'll have to get *BSD and Mac OS on that "less compliance" bandwagon too... | 01:26 |
| lcuk | damn your logic \o| ;) | 01:27 |
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| sfire | if you plug in the n800 can you change the battery while it is powered up? | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 01:30 |
| sfire | darn | 01:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles wish that had a big cap for changing the battery like the old iBooks. | 01:30 | |
| lardman | My n800 is far less efficient than my n810 | 01:31 |
| lardman | in terms of battery life | 01:31 |
| lardman | I wonder why | 01:31 |
| johnx | two sd cards mounted? | 01:31 |
| lardman | ah-ha | 01:31 |
| lardman | yes, that may well be it | 01:31 |
| sfire | does it offer a "hibernate" or does it totally have to reboot? | 01:32 |
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| lardman | sfire: reboot | 01:32 |
| johnx | sfire, no hibernate. there is a "semi-hidden" suspend to RAM option but that would get wiped with no battery power | 01:32 |
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| sfire | what kind of battery life do you guys tend to get? does it run a full day on a charge? | 01:34 |
| johnx | it depends on what you do with it | 01:34 |
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| sfire | lets say I just have instant messenger running | 01:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sfire, the ARM stuff idles at practically no power usage. | 01:35 |
| johnx | idle w/ wifi connection: maybe 2 days, idle w/o wifi: several days | 01:35 |
| MangoFusion | a darn sight better than my axim x50v with WM5 | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Without wifi, completely idle, like, 10-12 days. | 01:35 |
| MangoFusion | the memories.... uuugh | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | On wifi around 2 or 3 days. | 01:36 |
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| sfire | thats better than I expected | 01:36 |
| johnx | if you run the backlight constantly and an actively used wifi connection you might drain it in 4 hours... | 01:36 |
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| MangoFusion | mine currently claims "4 days idle, 3 hours when in use". wifi off | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | 7-8 in-use with low backlight and minimal network usage. | 01:37 |
| sfire | is the bluetooth more power efficient than the 802.11b/g ? | 01:38 |
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| lardman | no one had done proper tests afaik | 01:38 |
| lardman | has | 01:38 |
| lardman | slightly changes the meaning :) | 01:39 |
| sfire | does using the bluetooth to access the net from a cell phone quickly drain the cell phone battery? | 01:40 |
| sfire | (sorry for the 101 questions) | 01:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Wifi > Bluetooth | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | From my experience, anyway. | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | cellphone dies fast. | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3-hours on mine. | 01:41 |
| lardman | difficult to separate the Bluetooth from the GPRS/etc. though | 01:41 |
| lardman | ah, sorry should have read higher up | 01:42 |
| lardman | carry on¬ | 01:47 |
| lardman | ;) | 01:47 |
| solmumaha | http://pupnik.de/WarZone2100_N810_M.jpg | 01:47 |
| glass | nice | 01:48 |
| glass | and that works 12 or so fps? | 01:48 |
| solmumaha | hard to tell | 01:48 |
| solmumaha | playable | 01:48 |
| solmumaha | on start at least :) | 01:49 |
| glass | hehe | 01:49 |
| glass | i'm impressed anyways | 01:49 |
| sfire | anyone in here use Kontact in KDE as their organizer? is it possible to sync with it? | 01:49 |
| lardman | ~lart Gnome for not allowing me to open a terminal in a given directory | 01:49 |
| * infobot takes Gnome to the vet for a "special" visit for not allowing me to open a terminal in a given directory | 01:49 | |
| solmumaha | there's a deb if you want to test | 01:49 |
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| solmumaha | no sound atm though :( | 01:50 |
| johnx | lardman, there's an addon for nautilus to do that... | 01:50 |
| lardman | johnx: ah, ok, I'll do some Googling; thanks | 01:50 |
| johnx | try something like "open terminal here" | 01:50 |
| lardman | while I'm at it. search is rubbish too | 01:52 |
| lardman | johnx: sudo apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal | 01:53 |
| johnx | yup, sounds right :) | 01:53 |
| johnx | about both search and terminal... | 01:53 |
| johnx | search got a lot worse since the last gnome release | 01:53 |
| * johnx grumbles | 01:53 | |
| * lardman used to use KDE | 01:54 | |
| johnx | well...I really dislike KDE but I won't get into that | 01:54 |
| lardman | I'm also not fond of the lack of tabs in Nautilus | 01:55 |
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| lardman | here's a strange one: Makefile has the command: $(CC) test_framebuffer.o -lX11 -o test_framebuffer (which works if entered manually), but the output shows that what is actually executed is: gcc test_framebuffer.o -o test_framebuffer | 02:02 |
| lardman | any ideas what's wrong? | 02:02 |
| johnx | a newline in the wrong place? | 02:02 |
| johnx | (in the makefile) | 02:03 |
| lardman | doesn't look like it, and I can't see how the -lX11 would be ignored (that's all on one line) | 02:03 |
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| lardman | hmm | 02:04 |
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| lardman | My mistake, misnamed the target. Nearly bed time :) | 02:05 |
| lcuk | lard, this is what i have ended up using with the base code | 02:05 |
| lcuk | http://pastebin.ca/900552 | 02:05 |
| Null-P | can anyone tell me what the ascii values (default) are for the dpad directions (up/down/left/right)? | 02:05 |
| lardman | lcuk: I'm famous ;) | 02:05 |
| Null-P | or keycodss | 02:05 |
| lardman | Null-P: Was in the maemo tutorial iirc | 02:06 |
| Mousey | anyone know how to boot the n810 in text mode? i wanna see the dmesg scrolling as it boots if it's possible (like on the openmoko phones) | 02:06 |
| lardman | lcuk: thanks | 02:06 |
| Null-P | mmm, looking | 02:06 |
| johnx | Mousey, you'll need a custom kernel | 02:07 |
| Mousey | wow, really | 02:07 |
| Mousey | dammit.. the more i hang out in here, the more i'm convinced i'm an idiot for not installing scratchbox | 02:07 |
| lardman | Try OE + bitbake.... :) | 02:07 |
| johnx | need to turn on console framebuffer and something about LCD manual update | 02:08 |
| lcuk | lardman, explain a bitmore about oe+bitbake, why would i want outlook express? | 02:08 |
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| johnx | lardman, I can't get to my OE build box right now. Does OE have the OS2008 kernel? | 02:09 |
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| lardman | johnx: not sure, but I imagine so; they have added everything else | 02:09 |
| lardman | johnx: take a look at the browser on oe.org | 02:09 |
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| johnx | ah, thanks | 02:09 |
| lardman | lcuk: openembedded.org | 02:10 |
| Mousey | BUY THIS DOMAIN | 02:10 |
| Mousey | The domain oe.org may be for sale by its owner! | 02:10 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 02:10 |
| lcuk | i got there eventually.. ive heard you mention it a few times and grew curious | 02:10 |
| lardman | lcuk: it's a cross builder; works very nicely. I can do "bitbake octave" and it will build & package everything needed to build octave | 02:10 |
| Mousey | oh.... naggers | 02:10 |
| * Mousey goes back to lurk | 02:10 | |
| lcuk | does it work with std make files thou | 02:11 |
| lardman | no arsing around building all the deps oneself | 02:11 |
| johnx | well, as long as they're in OE... | 02:11 |
| lcuk | as in, can i import a code tree and it gets all its info from the folder | 02:11 |
| lardman | lcuk: generally yes; you need to provide a .bb for the package in question (which is a build recipe). There are *lots* of things already provided tho | 02:11 |
| hrw|gone | Mousey: flash this kernel: http://pokylinux.org/autobuild/poky/3730/zImage-2.6.21-osso71-nokia800-20080211001500.bin and you will get console scrolling on boot | 02:11 |
| Mousey | hrw|gone: wow, thanks | 02:11 |
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| hrw|gone | Mousey: no warranty of course | 02:12 |
| lardman | lcuk: you tell it where the code is, and it will build it using standard autotools | 02:12 |
| lardman | hrw|gone: ;) | 02:12 |
| hrw|gone | Mousey: and report back does it works for you | 02:12 |
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| hrw|gone | Mousey: kernel is for n8x0 (n800 and n810) | 02:12 |
| hrw|gone | bye | 02:12 |
| lcuk | but in the case of these little tests it couldnt decipher that you needed x11 could it? | 02:12 |
| Mousey | kthxbye! | 02:12 |
| lcuk | or is that one of its magic tricks? | 02:13 |
| lardman | lcuk: you tell it what the deps are in the .bb recipe | 02:13 |
| lardman | http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages packages list | 02:13 |
| lardman | http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/octave/octave_3.0.0.bb this is a build recipe for octave | 02:13 |
| lardman | this is the .inc file http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/octave/octave.inc | 02:14 |
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| lardman | All slightly cryptic, but not that bad once you get started, and the bonus is that there's lots of stuff there already | 02:14 |
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| lcuk | seems like it comes into its own for multiple target building | 02:16 |
| lardman | certainly the metadata support building for multiple targets | 02:16 |
| johnx | it works really well for building a whole distribution from source and then creating a package feed (aka repository) to go with it... | 02:16 |
| lardman | which is good as lots of people use it and fix it and add to it | 02:16 |
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| lcuk | yes i can see :) thanks for info. (backs away carefully because thats another layer of info for my brain to explode with) | 02:17 |
| * lcuk is just settling into makefiles | 02:17 | |
| * johnx still finds building in qemu to be easiest (also: slowest) | 02:18 | |
| pupnik | glass: as far as i can tell it's above 12 fps - in the 12-15 range | 02:20 |
| glass | nice, nice | 02:20 |
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| pupnik | sol' did a great package of warzone2100 here - puts the 30 MB game data onto /media/mmc2 instead of rootfs | 02:21 |
| * lcuk takes over the framebuffer without x | 02:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yar! | 02:27 |
| lcuk | its all fun and games until you realise the x window on top was providing refresh cover ;) | 02:27 |
| pupnik | lcuk: can you whip up a little demo with src? | 02:28 |
| lcuk | close xwindow after playing and whole display comes back.... writing directly is like grafitying on the screen ;) | 02:28 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, its a bit of a boiled down hackjob to get first light on base device. slow and dirty tho provides a baseline at least. http://pastebin.ca/900579 | 02:30 |
| pupnik | thanks | 02:30 |
| pupnik | you are testing on 770? | 02:31 |
| lcuk | its a mix of mplayer code, lardman and my first dive into c in many years | 02:31 |
| lcuk | no, ive got an 810 i was looking at the options | 02:31 |
| pupnik | excellent thanks | 02:32 |
| pupnik | this is using the 16-bit rgb565 right now? | 02:33 |
| lcuk | np, now how about a codeswap :P i like the look of your pupvox | 02:33 |
| lcuk | im not sure i had to sleep last night, i cant remember what i left in | 02:33 |
| lcuk | infact, its not in anything but the desktop in the state its in | 02:34 |
| lcuk | i am gonna start looking at what the framebuffer does tomorrow. first straight foreward test should be the rotation code. | 02:36 |
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| pupnik | ok there are a number of fun sdl demos that can benefit from this kind of thing once we understand it better | 02:36 |
| lcuk | then i will look at the OMAPFB_SETUP_PLANE functions and beyond to follow what happens when changing modes | 02:37 |
| pupnik | the big issues are getting fast blits from 8bpp and 16bpp sdl surfaces, but also a custom 32bpp->yuv would be tremendous, saving a lot of sdl overhead | 02:37 |
| pupnik | ok write comments! | 02:37 |
| pupnik | did you get my pm lcuk ? | 02:38 |
| lcuk | there is meant to be a single bitplane mode OMAPFB_COLOR_CLUT_1BPP which if i can get it will be an 8x speedup for writing book pages... im not going after this from a gaming perspective yet, ulteririor motives ;) and i know others are looking at the planar conversion (lardman..) | 02:38 |
| lcuk | yes, just now, they dont flash for some reason | 02:39 |
| lardman | yep, I see that | 02:39 |
| lardman | you might need the pdf for the lcd controller to work out the bit pattern though | 02:40 |
| lardman | unless it truly is that simple | 02:40 |
| lcuk | ill get that when i need it, but theres only so many ways | 02:40 |
| lardman | lcuk: I have a copy somewhere, give me a shout tomorrow when I'm at work | 02:41 |
| lcuk | ill be at work and its rare i get online (even less cos tomorrow is picnic day with family :D) i love school holidays | 02:41 |
| lcuk | pupnik, lardman thanks :) i will go and digest some more and see where i get upto. have a good night | 02:43 |
| lardman | lcuk: cheers, you too | 02:44 |
| pupnik | cheers | 02:44 |
| * lardman thought he had the code for the 770 and n8x0 cracked, but the n8x0 are playing up | 02:45 | |
| lardman | annoyingly I think I've solved this before, just can't remember how; need to browse ml | 02:45 |
| pupnik | hmm | 02:46 |
| lardman | night all | 02:48 |
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| blahdeblah1 | Hi. Are there any media players other than kagu which support scrobbling and Ogg? | 03:49 |
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| Navi | scrobbling? | 03:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | last.fm | 03:55 |
| blahdeblah1 | Navi: the maemo package is called maemoscrobbler | 03:55 |
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| lodc | can anyone point me towards the best kismet binaries to use on n800/os2008? maybe i am dumb but cant seem to get the answer from google | 04:21 |
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| Mousey | ttfn, internets! | 04:24 |
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| * SDuensin is a new N800 owner. Yea! | 04:48 | |
| Tak | congratulations | 04:48 |
| johnx | welcome to the club :) | 04:49 |
| SDuensin | Thanks. :-) | 04:49 |
| SDuensin | No idea what I'm doing yet. | 04:49 |
| Tak | ditto | 04:50 |
| SDuensin | Only problem I've had so far is getting it to connect to my Mac's shared internet. :-( | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple's DHCP server is broken. | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just buy yourself a real router. | 04:51 |
| milhouse | you must be talking about bug 2478... | 04:51 |
| SDuensin | I use a router at home, but when I'm at work, I want to sponge internet off my cellular card in my laptop. | 04:51 |
| SDuensin | I must have voted for 2478. :-) | 04:51 |
| milhouse | you and ryan! :) | 04:52 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hear setting a static IP is sometimes successful. | 04:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's details on google somewhere. | 04:52 |
| milhouse | static ip must be the easiest work around... | 04:53 |
| SDuensin | Sometimes, yes. Apparently not today. | 04:53 |
| milhouse | for once there's not much nokia can do about this as they don't have access to the source code... hmm welcome to our world. | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could try usbnet as a stop gap. | 04:53 |
| milhouse | or run a third party dhcp server? | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that seems like it might be an option. | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I've never seen details on setting that up anywhere. | 04:54 |
| SDuensin | I'll figure something out. I don't need DHCP. | 04:54 |
| SDuensin | Something else I've noticed is seriously lacking on the N800... | 04:55 |
| SDuensin | ...no Apple II emulator! :-) | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a C64 emulator. | 04:55 |
| SDuensin | Bah! Apple II Forever! | 04:55 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 04:55 |
| SDuensin | I managed to get the Maemo SDK installed. Staring at LinApple at the moment. It's tempting me. <G> | 04:56 |
| milhouse | Both 6502 based (C64 actually 6510 so really a more advanced 6502 but close enough) so the CPU emulation should be pretty well sorted... are the Apple ][ ROMs available? | 04:57 |
| SDuensin | Easily available. | 04:57 |
| SDuensin | Legally, dunno. But I have real ROMs. | 04:57 |
| milhouse | I promise I won't use ][ again... | 04:57 |
| SDuensin | Hehe | 04:57 |
| unique311 | Tak, any betas for me to takes a look at? | 04:57 |
| milhouse | Yeah, "legally" is really what I'm getting at :) | 04:58 |
| SDuensin | Apple ][, Apple IIe, Apple //c. Pick a pair. :-) | 04:58 |
| SDuensin | So don't spread the ROM with the emu. That's legal. | 04:58 |
| milhouse | The Newton emulation is hamstrung by "copyright" issues, even now... sighs. | 04:58 |
| milhouse | Limits your market though | 04:59 |
| milhouse | I suppose they're available as torrents, but kind of puts a dampner on the whole project | 04:59 |
| johnx | yeah...I really wanted to try the newton emulation just to see what I was missing but I gave up after a couple hours of searching for a working ROM... | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:59 |
| johnx | oh...I found a ROM, I'm just apparently not 1337 enough to make the emulation work | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if the Newton just had a decent web browser. | 05:01 |
| johnx | that really is what the NITs actually bring to the party vs anything else in the same size range... | 05:01 |
| johnx | (the Sony UX is *not* in the same size range...) | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It freaks me out a little every time I use it. | 05:02 |
| SDuensin | Web browser? There was no web then! | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure there was | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was only the mid-90s. :P | 05:02 |
| SDuensin | Was it? Dang. | 05:02 |
| johnx | I was even *using* the web then... O_o | 05:02 |
| * GeneralAntilles was on AOL. | 05:03 | |
| johnx | my cousin owned and operated a dialup ISP :) | 05:03 |
| johnx | I can't remember who bought him out... | 05:03 |
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| * SDuensin was on the web very early, too. Ran two ISPs. | 05:04 | |
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| johnx | It's really funny to see how long the StrongARM stuck around as the de-facto PDA CPU | 05:06 |
| SDuensin | Does the job well. | 05:07 |
| johnx | but seriously, from 1997 - 2003 or so? | 05:08 |
| johnx | that's a *long* run | 05:08 |
| * milhouse misses bulletin boards over a 2400 baud dial-up... :) | 05:08 | |
| SDuensin | 2400? First one I ran took calls at 110. | 05:08 |
| milhouse | peasant. | 05:08 |
| milhouse | :) | 05:08 |
| johnx | I enjoy *memories* of the past...but really, the past sucked | 05:09 |
| milhouse | BBS' had a charm about them | 05:09 |
| SDuensin | BBSs were a good thing. Nice local community. Had to be smart to get to them. | 05:09 |
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| j0tt | that's why we use irssi (and alike) nowadays ;) | 05:09 |
| SDuensin | Natural moron filter. :-) | 05:09 |
| * johnx still misses the primarily text-based web from time to time | 05:10 | |
| milhouse | I paid almost £400 for my 2400 modem. It had BIS though, which was worth extra... no really it was. | 05:10 |
| milhouse | s/worth extra/worth the extra/ | 05:10 |
| infobot | milhouse meant: I paid almost £400 for my 2400 modem. It had BIS though, which was worth the extra... no really it was. | 05:10 |
| Tak | milhouse meant: I paid almost £400 for my 2400 modem. It had BIS though, which was worth the extra... no really it was. | 05:10 |
| milhouse | hmmm... repetition | 05:10 |
| j0tt | i recently watched the bbs documentary.. really brought up alot of old memories ;) | 05:11 |
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| SDuensin | Almost $800 for my Dual Standard. That was crazy. | 05:11 |
| milhouse | I'd really like to see that documentary (God I'm sad!) | 05:11 |
| * johnx didn't even have his own computer until 1998 :) | 05:11 | |
| johnx | I actually should watch that too... | 05:11 |
| milhouse | It was a complete rip off when I think back, but it was the only modem compatible with my Sinclair QL! :) | 05:12 |
| milhouse | which means this was about 1984-1985 | 05:12 |
| SDuensin | Sinclair? What side of the pond are you on? | 05:12 |
| milhouse | UK | 05:12 |
| milhouse | er... right hand side | 05:12 |
| * jott had a cpc 464 back then | 05:12 | |
| * SDuensin is surrounded! | 05:13 | |
| milhouse | Oooh Amstrad... boo hiss | 05:13 |
| jott | it was actually a "Schneider" here in germany ;) | 05:13 |
| Tak | oops | 05:13 |
| Tak | nope, no betas | 05:13 |
| milhouse | I cut my teeth on MC68K assembler... those were the days. I then saw Intel X86 assembler and vomitted on the spot. | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha. I remember drooling over the 14.4k modem my dad had for his work computer in the early nineties. | 05:14 |
| pupnik | Warzone2100 running in 800x480 now | 05:15 |
| pupnik | tak you might enjoy this one | 05:15 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=141304#post141304 | 05:15 |
| Tak | hmm, how are you guys in germany liking the current social and political situation? | 05:16 |
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| SDuensin | Wow. Warzone looks cool. | 05:17 |
| pupnik | solmumaha did the packaging (well) | 05:17 |
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| pupnik | Tak no comment on that from me | 05:18 |
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| Tak | heh, seriously | 05:18 |
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| Tak | my fiancée got a job offer in berlin | 05:19 |
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| jott | i like berlin :) | 05:20 |
| jott | Tak: well the social and political situation is quite ok in an international context, still enough to rant about (and thats not declining ;-) | 05:22 |
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| jott | i suppose it depends on what you are used to anyway... | 05:23 |
| Tak | I'm just wondering like - I wouldn't advise anybody to move to the US right now... | 05:24 |
| SDuensin | Gee, Tak - why not? We can't get any MORE screwed up! :-P | 05:24 |
| milhouse | Plenty of cheap houses available... :) | 05:24 |
| Tak | at least not from a developed nation | 05:24 |
| Tak | SDuensin: you're more optimistic than I am | 05:25 |
| z00m1n | as if the US would let anyone in | 05:25 |
| milhouse | US housing is pretty messed up - so many properties lying empty and derelict... entire neighbourhoods decimated. not good. | 05:25 |
| Tak | milhouse: yeah - particularly bad here in fl | 05:26 |
| milhouse | Australia and Canada would be my choices | 05:26 |
| SDuensin | Well gang, I'm going to bed. I'm sure I'll be back. Loving the N800 so far! | 05:27 |
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| z00m1n | and New Zealand ;-) | 05:27 |
| unique311 | is it that bad in america.. | 05:27 |
| unique311 | doesn't seem to be to me. | 05:27 |
| unique311 | america fecking rocks. | 05:28 |
| Tak | pssh, as if nz would let anybody in :-p | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Holy hell, pupnik, this is awesome. :D | 05:28 |
| pupnik | yeah and it's even fun to play | 05:30 |
| z00m1n | hey, at least noone points any machine guns at you at the airport and treats you like a criminal | 05:30 |
| johnx | the told me they point guns at me because they care! | 05:31 |
| johnx | heh...actually i haven't seen that recently | 05:32 |
| unique311 | not a big fan of car bombs. | 05:32 |
| Tak | I thought they were filled with candy | 05:32 |
| johnx | hey...NZ, wasn't that where some crazy lady tried to hijack a plane the other day? | 05:32 |
| milhouse | yeah... had to be sedated | 05:33 |
| milhouse | which sounds really scary | 05:33 |
| * Tak => ramones | 05:33 | |
| johnx | Tak, :D | 05:33 |
| z00m1n | yeah, someone from Liberia or so who was known to have mental issues... | 05:33 |
| z00m1n | they also smuggled a knife and a fake bomb onto a domestic flight a couple of days ago | 05:34 |
| milhouse | i wonder how they sedated her - swift punch to the face? not sure I could have brought myself to do it to a woman, although if she was threatening to take us all with her I guess it would have come easier | 05:34 |
| z00m1n | but then, they did the same in Amsterdam | 05:34 |
| johnx | milhouse, she had a knife, was making a bomb threat and stabbing at people | 05:35 |
| milhouse | lock em up, lose the key | 05:35 |
| unique311 | i would'be punched her. | 05:35 |
| milhouse | i guess i would have punched her :) | 05:35 |
| z00m1n | well, she stabbed by the pilot and the co-pilot | 05:35 |
| johnx | I wouldn't have...might get my hand cut...I would've kicked her | 05:35 |
| unique311 | lol | 05:35 |
| z00m1n | s/by/both/ | 05:35 |
| infobot | z00m1n meant: well, she stabbed both the pilot and the co-pilot | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | They need to do away with the farcical security at airports. | 05:36 |
| johnx | though the US TSA is pretty ridiculous lately... | 05:36 |
| johnx | I will allow for that much | 05:36 |
| Tak | indeed | 05:36 |
| unique311 | alot of bigger issues happening around the world.....I don't think we need to worry much about how screwed up the politics in america are. | 05:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think the biggest change since 9/11 is that passengers now know that the stakes have changed. | 05:36 |
| milhouse | lucky it wasn't a US flight with an air marshall... they'd have been ventilated | 05:36 |
| elb | in 8/2001, I carried a pocketknife on an international flight | 05:36 |
| Tak | I'm not looking forward to the fiasco with our tablets | 05:37 |
| elb | I didn't hijack anything, either | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | and that more than anything will prevent hijackings. | 05:37 |
| Tak | unique311: that's an incredibly myopic perspective | 05:37 |
| * johnx wants high speed, trans-oceanic trains :/ | 05:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds expensive. | 05:38 |
| Tak | elb: but now it's A POST 9/11 WORLD!!!!! | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | !!!!! | 05:38 |
| * Tak wants trained, ultrasonic dolphins | 05:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | pew pew! | 05:39 |
| johnx | mmmm...dolphin meat | 05:39 |
| milhouse | I thought the US Navy already had those? :) | 05:39 |
| milhouse | And in Seaquest DSV they had one which could talk (RIP Roy Schnieder) | 05:39 |
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| unique311 | go navy. | 05:43 |
| milhouse | Go Flipper. | 05:45 |
| elb | there was a dolphin boy in Sealab 2021 | 05:48 |
| elb | I'm not sure if that's related | 05:48 |
| Tak | I think Jonny Quest was molested by a dolphin once... | 05:49 |
| unique311 | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/02/14/wdolph14.jpg <-- navy dolphin in action | 05:50 |
| unique311 | wow | 05:50 |
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| unique311 | enlisted or officers.....wonder if they get paid. | 05:50 |
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| johnx | oh, I'm sure they get paid...in fish | 05:51 |
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| blahdeblah1 | OK - trying an earlier question again: Are there any media players other than kagu which support scrobbling and Ogg? | 06:12 |
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| leif__ | UKMP appears to | 06:14 |
| leif__ | i've never used last.fm myself | 06:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't listen to enough music on my tablet to really make last.fm that important. | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Vagalume is wonderful, though. | 06:15 |
| Tak | indeed | 06:15 |
| Tak | if I could import my employer's wpa cert, I'd use vagalume all day long | 06:15 |
| leif__ | there isn't a DSP ogg codec yet, is there? | 06:17 |
| leif__ | the last time i played oggs for a while, it drained by battery | 06:17 |
| Proteous | battery life is a small price to play for ogg support you DRM non free loving bad person man! | 06:19 |
| Proteous | :P | 06:19 |
| Tak | I think lardman is developing one | 06:19 |
| Navi | ogg vorbis can be DRM'ed, just that no one is interested in implementing it | 06:19 |
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| blahdeblah1 | leif__: thanks for the tip | 06:54 |
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| blahdeblah1 | GeneralAntilles, Tak: last.fm is a biggie for me - i am pretty compulsive with my music listening. Check out the global tag radio "awesome guitar jams" in Vagalume sometime... ;-) | 06:57 |
| Tak | yes, me too | 06:57 |
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| rm_you | hrmrm | 07:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Release, release, release! | 07:07 |
| fysa | If we hit recession and our value tanks, all of those houses are going to be full of immigrants in a hurry. | 07:07 |
| Tak | if? | 07:08 |
| fysa | .. when. | 07:08 |
| johnx | and/or I might have some prospect of purchasing a house in my lifetime | 07:08 |
| fysa | Hurry in political terms -- a term or two. :P | 07:08 |
| fysa | Open the floodgates on H1B.. | 07:09 |
| fysa | Give credits for home buyers. | 07:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | ++, johnx. | 07:09 |
| dtahtbot` | GeneralAntilles: Error: "+," is not a valid command. | 07:09 |
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| fysa | Or not. Just thinking aloud. | 07:11 |
| fysa | I spent a few months in India back in 2001, and there were no shortage of people with plenty of money wanting to move but unable to acquire a visa. | 07:11 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: working on it now :) | 07:12 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: was trying to plan a date ^_^ | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds fun. | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, I seriously think we should just open the borders | 07:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | WITH the understanding that non-citizens wont receive welfare support. | 07:13 |
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| fysa | Not the borders per-say. But we have plenty of lines of already-employed/married/engaged and just waiting to get into the country. | 07:13 |
| Tak | agree with generalantilles | 07:14 |
| fysa | These are people that can support themselves. L1, K visas, H1B, etc. . if my wife would have went back to Hong Kong before we married, there would have been a wait of several years to get her back in. | 07:14 |
| fysa | The processes in place just need to be opened and sped up. | 07:14 |
| fysa | Processing times of 3-5 years is insanity. | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yessir. | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is why we should save the billions of wasted tax dollars and open 'er up. | 07:15 |
| fysa | Anyway.. that's the outcome I'm hoping on and seems reasonable long-term. | 07:15 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: what is the range on the volume BTW? :P | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardware or icons? | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming icons: m-5 | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | 6 total | 07:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | My recommendation would be to change m to 0 and increment the rest by 1. | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming that's easier. | 07:18 |
| rm_you | right | 07:18 |
| rm_you | i meant hardware tho :P | 07:18 |
| rm_you | is it 0-255? | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good question | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | What did you use for the one I have? | 07:18 |
| rm_you | i havent done it yet? | 07:18 |
| rm_you | or... what? | 07:18 |
| rm_you | i just passed the values straight through :P | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | You gave me a .so with a volume slider! | 07:18 |
| rm_you | never looked at it | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worked great. | 07:19 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:19 |
| rm_you | yes i know | 07:19 |
| rm_you | but for figuring out which icon to use :P | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 07:19 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Play with numbers until it fits-ish? | 07:19 |
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| rm_you | yeah i'm gonna | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell did they do to the university's SSH. <_< | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | tab-completion and arrow keys don't work anymore. | 07:20 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:21 |
| rm_you | you in bash? or did it drop you to sh | 07:21 |
| rm_you | or something worse >_> | 07:21 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, either they changed your default shell or they messed up their bash installation | 07:21 |
| rm_you | try running bash :P | 07:21 |
| rm_you | i wrote a shell for my OS class :) it's neat | 07:21 |
| rm_you | sorta | 07:21 |
| rm_you | YMHash | 07:21 |
| rm_you | johnx: i should send that to you :P | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm . . . there may have been a notice. | 07:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles scrolls up. | 07:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, there we go. | 07:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I guess it was in ksh for some reason. . . . | 07:22 |
| rm_you | well, time to try this out :) | 07:26 |
| ds3 | has anyone tried one of those AA phone charger on a N800? | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like there's been a thread or three on them on ITT. | 07:27 |
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| rm_you | ds3: i have one that i was going to try | 07:28 |
| rm_you | ds3: the altoids tin 2xAA to USB one | 07:28 |
| rm_you | :) | 07:29 |
| rm_you | havent gotten around to buying the USB charge cable for my n800 yet tho >_> | 07:29 |
| ds3 | how do you get the altoids tin to put out 5.5V? | 07:29 |
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| rm_you | the circuitry? | 07:50 |
| rm_you | i dunno... not an engineer :P | 07:50 |
| rm_you | i bought it from a DIY site | 07:50 |
| johnx | some batteries and a voltage regulator ... or magic altoids | 07:50 |
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| elb | I dunno about your USB, but mine is 5V ;-) | 07:52 |
| johnx | hence, voltage regulator | 07:52 |
| ds3 | oh thought you were building it from the plans on lady ada's site | 07:52 |
| elb | I suspect the power supply in the N810 is switching, anyway, and probably isn't too picky about its input voltage | 07:52 |
| elb | johnx: right, I understand that -- ds3 asked about 5.5V ;-) | 07:53 |
| ds3 | the N800 won't charge at 5V | 07:53 |
| johnx | ah, missed that. oops | 07:53 |
| ds3 | it wants 5.5V to charge | 07:53 |
| johnx | will it really not charge at all on 5V? | 07:53 |
| ds3 | that is correct | 07:53 |
| johnx | is this speculation or confirmed? | 07:54 |
| ds3 | none of the nokia things will charge at 5V | 07:54 |
| ds3 | this is observations from my experiments | 07:54 |
| johnx | just wanted to checl :) | 07:54 |
| elb | ds3: interesting, because my wall wort claims to be 5V | 07:54 |
| ds3 | tested: 56xx series phone, 6130 phone, N800, 770. none of them will say charging | 07:54 |
| ds3 | elb: yes, it is very odd | 07:54 |
| elb | wart | 07:54 |
| elb | I'm doubting it, frankly | 07:55 |
| elb | people have reported success charging their N810 off USB ports | 07:55 |
| elb | and USB ports put out 5V by specification | 07:55 |
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| ds3 | applying exactly 5V to it will cause the device to detect a charger is plugged in but then a few seconds later, it will say "Not Charging" | 07:55 |
| elb | are you sure you just didn't have enough amperage at 5V? | 07:55 |
| elb | wow, the first hit for 'altoids tin usb' is a *horrid* design | 07:56 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: close! | 07:56 |
| ds3 | elb: note you said N810... think they changed it to charge at 5.0V for the microUSB connector | 07:56 |
| elb | two 9V in parallel ... in series with two AAs | 07:56 |
| elb | it doesn't charge off the microUSB connector | 07:56 |
| ds3 | elb: positive, one of my experiment is with a source that can put out 2A (a Li battery + 5V step up) | 07:56 |
| elb | it has the same charger plug as the new Nokia phones | 07:56 |
| rm_you | ds3: yes, my Motorola phone is the same | 07:56 |
| rm_you | ds3: will only charge on 5.5, not 5.0 :( | 07:56 |
| rm_you | annoying as all hell | 07:57 |
| ds3 | rm_you: the Linux ones or others? | 07:57 |
| rm_you | v360 | 07:57 |
| rm_you | so, others | 07:57 |
| ds3 | ah.. donno enough about those to comment; I know the Linux ones will take a charge at 5V if the resistor things are programmed right | 07:57 |
| ds3 | elb: Using another battery pack, sold as a phone charger, it charges and a meter measurement puts the voltage at about 5.7-5.8V; this one works | 07:58 |
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| elb | interesting | 08:03 |
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| leif__ | rm_you, are you fetching icons from hardcoded paths still or getting themed ones now? | 08:13 |
| rm_you | hardcoded >_> | 08:13 |
| rm_you | leif__: they arent standard anymore | 08:14 |
| rm_you | leif__: the applet has its own | 08:14 |
| leif__ | ah | 08:14 |
| rm_you | which could easily be replaced with a theme specifically for the applet... | 08:14 |
| rm_you | but thanks to GeneralAntilles it now has a lot more specific levels | 08:14 |
| rm_you | beta will be out shortly | 08:14 |
| rm_you | it looks *nice* | 08:14 |
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| rm_you | just working out one final math issue | 08:15 |
| leif__ | so the full paths to the hicolor directory aren't hardcoded? | 08:15 |
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| rm_you | leif__: they are... | 08:15 |
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| rm_you | but now the icons used are /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps/adv-backlight/adv-backlight-icon-* | 08:15 |
| rm_you | .pn g | 08:15 |
| leif__ | I've not done much gtk programming, so I'm not sure exactly how to do this, but there is a way to get the adv-backlight-icon-* files while letting the system decide if you get hicolor or the current icon theme | 08:16 |
| leif__ | no hildon themes actually set an icon theme though, except for lcars | 08:16 |
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| leif__ | and lcars doesn't include any icons for 3rd party applets currently | 08:17 |
| leif__ | but if you make the icons themeable, maybe a future version will | 08:17 |
| rm_you | well | 08:18 |
| rm_you | at the moment, the icons that come with the package could just be replaced by custom ones... | 08:18 |
| rm_you | >_> | 08:18 |
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| rm_you | i could just make it depend on a virtual package "advanced-backlight-icons" or something that could be filled by either the default icon package or something else? :P | 08:18 |
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| leif__ | yeah, that is how lcars always replaced icons before, but in the 4.0 release we realized we could actually theme the statusbar icons properly | 08:19 |
| rm_you | hrm | 08:19 |
| leif__ | er, replacing them is how | 08:19 |
| leif__ | with dpkg-divert | 08:19 |
| rm_you | well, if you want to consult with me :P | 08:19 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: did you go to sleep or something? >_> | 08:19 |
| * GeneralAntilles is watching South Park. | 08:20 | |
| rm_you | ah | 08:20 |
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| leif__ | likewise, if your package wants to include icons for different themes, it can... just put some in /usr/share/icons/hicolor, some in .../icons/lcars-padd/ etc | 08:20 |
| leif__ | the two lcars themes have separate icon sets, but they are identical except for one icon | 08:21 |
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| leif__ | rm_you, the function to get themed icons is gtk_icon_theme_load_icon | 08:25 |
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| Tama^2 | Hello | 08:26 |
| rm_you | leif__: hrm... ok... >_> not sure how to use that tho | 08:26 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: beta release! :P | 08:26 |
| leif__ | yeah, me neither :/ | 08:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | leif__, you don't mind if I use the LCARS brightness and volume applet icons to work up an LCARS adv-backlight icon, do you? | 08:27 |
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| leif__ | no, please do! | 08:27 |
| corevette | what is the root password on OS2007 HE? | 08:31 |
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| corevette | anyone? | 08:33 |
| Tama^2 | rootme | 08:33 |
| Tama^2 | or something like that | 08:33 |
| Tama^2 | not sure | 08:33 |
| Tama^2 | I just remember it sounded su=illy | 08:34 |
| Tama^2 | *silly | 08:34 |
| corevette | a site says rootme, but it doesn't work | 08:34 |
| johnx | corevette, are you trying to su or ssh in? | 08:34 |
| corevette | su | 08:34 |
| corevette | johnx: ^ | 08:35 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: need a new icon for the main applet icon (the one in the panels menu) since it will be displaying on a pure white background | 08:35 |
| johnx | in OS2007 for N800 the account is locked and you need to use becomeroot or install an ssh server to get root access | 08:35 |
| johnx | YMMV | 08:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just B&W the all-full one? | 08:35 |
| rm_you | yeah prolly | 08:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icon-preview.png | 08:38 |
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| rm_you | oh... needs to be 26x26 | 08:43 |
| rm_you | >_> | 08:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You have an image scaler over there, don't you? :P | 08:43 |
| rm_you | lol | 08:44 |
| rm_you | :P | 08:44 |
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| unique311_ | anyone try pairing the wiimote with 770 n800/810? | 08:46 |
| unique311_ | i am getting this message from terminal (cannot concatenate 'str' and 'NoneType' objects) and don't know why... | 08:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, the LCARS version is done. | 08:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just gotta save 40 some odd pngs now. <_< | 08:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | You scale the preview icon, rm_you? | 08:49 |
| rm_you | yes | 08:50 |
| corevette | when i start canola2, i get 'illegal instruction' | 08:50 |
| rm_you | it's being a little @&^#! tho | 08:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Howso? | 08:51 |
| inz | corevette, 770? | 08:55 |
| corevette | yes inz | 08:55 |
| rm_you | it just won't choose the new icon | 08:55 |
| rm_you | i can switch it to whatever the hell icon i want besides the new one >_> | 08:56 |
| inz | corevette, N800 cpu has more features than the 770 one, so software specifically compiled for the N800 won't work on 770 | 08:56 |
| inz | corevette, even though they both can be "bora" | 08:56 |
| inz | corevette, so, in short, you're out of luck | 08:56 |
| corevette | inz: .....they have a version out in beta for 2007HE | 08:56 |
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| inz | corevette, did you install the gregale version or the bora version? | 08:59 |
| inz | corevette, | 09:00 |
| inz | oops | 09:00 |
| corevette | inz: a good question :-) | 09:00 |
| inz | corevette, http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2008/02/01/canola2-beta2-is-out/ | 09:00 |
| corevette | inz which should i install | 09:00 |
| inz | corevette, the gregale version | 09:00 |
| rm_you | trying a device reboot >_> | 09:01 |
| inz | corevette, and now that you have the "broken" ones installed, it is not enough to remove canola, you need to remove some EFL libraries also | 09:01 |
| corevette | inz: on the bottom of this page? http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install_second_he.html | 09:01 |
| inz | corevette, if you didn't follow step #2, it won't work | 09:02 |
| corevette | i did inz | 09:02 |
| inz | Weird, the illegal instruction would suggest otherwise | 09:03 |
| corevette | inz: i just did apt-get install canola2 after step 2...should i have clicked on the link? | 09:04 |
| corevette | inz is there a way i can just start fresh? | 09:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icons-lcars.zip rm_you | 09:07 |
| rm_you | hhrm | 09:08 |
| rm_you | one thing at a time >_> | 09:08 |
| rm_you | i have NO idea how i am going to deal with those <_< | 09:08 |
| inz | corevette, hmm, actually apt-get install should work better than the install link | 09:09 |
| rm_you | inz: what was that command that automated the package update process? like doing the changelog and renaming stuff? | 09:09 |
| inz | corevette, but there's really no easy way to start clean (except reflashing) | 09:09 |
| corevette | inz: yeah well it says 'ilegal instruction' | 09:09 |
| inz | rm_you, dch? | 09:09 |
| rm_you | ah thx | 09:10 |
| corevette | inz: do you prefer os2007HE or os2006 | 09:10 |
| inz | corevette, don't have a 770 | 09:10 |
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| corevette | inz: i don't know what to do now | 09:11 |
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| inz | corevette, I don't know all the dependencies of canola, so can't really help | 09:14 |
| corevette | inz: one more question, how do i make my external memory card read/write, it's only read only right now | 09:16 |
| leif__ | inz, shouldn't removing canola in the app manager remove its dependencies too? | 09:16 |
| leif__ | i think so | 09:16 |
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| rm_you | inz: if i have a bunch of files that need to go in a certain directory during the install... what do i do with them? | 09:17 |
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| inz | leif__, afaik no, but not sure | 09:17 |
| rm_you | do i put them in mypackage/debian/mypackage/usr/share/whatever/ ? | 09:17 |
| inz | corevette, is it a sd card? | 09:17 |
| corevette | yes inz | 09:17 |
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| inz | corevette, do you have the write protection switch on? | 09:18 |
| inz | rm_you, yes and no, you tell someony to copy them there during the "install" phase | 09:18 |
| corevette | inz: it looks like half of an SD card | 09:18 |
| rm_you | k >_> | 09:19 |
| inz | corevette, ahh, true, 770 had mini-SD, it doesn't have the switch, sorry | 09:19 |
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| inz | corevette, no idea then | 09:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | rs-mmc | 09:20 |
| inz | General, right | 09:20 |
| corevette | how do i make it writable | 09:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's read-only, then it's corrupted. | 09:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | fsck it. | 09:20 |
| corevette | how generalantilles | 09:20 |
| inz | rm_you, just edit the debian/rules and add the commands under the install: -target | 09:21 |
| rm_you | k | 09:21 |
| inz | rm_you, (or make your Makefile do less obtrusive make install ;) | 09:21 |
| rm_you | lol | 09:21 |
| corevette | GeneralAntilles: how would i go about reformatting the memory card | 09:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming your data is backed up, just reformat it from the file manager. | 09:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | (may have to turn off swap if it's on) | 09:22 |
| leif__ | rm_you, if you get the hildon-desktop source there are lots of uses of gtk_icon_theme_load_icon you can look at | 09:23 |
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| corevette | GeneralAntilles: i press the format button and nothing happens | 09:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it grayed? | 09:26 |
| leif__ | rm_you, also this might help: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.10/GtkIconTheme.html | 09:27 |
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| corevette | GeneralAntilles: no, i go to Memory Card -> (memory card name) -> format | 09:27 |
| corevette | and i press yes and nothing happens generalantilles | 09:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno maybe an HE issue. | 09:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got a card reader you could stick it in? | 09:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or maybe try formatting over USB. | 09:28 |
| inz | rm, if you put the image under /usr/share/icons/hicolor/nxn/foo, you need to do gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 09:28 |
| corevette | GeneralAntilles: how generalantilles, on linux | 09:29 |
| corevette | GeneralAntilles: gparted? | 09:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 09:29 |
| rm_you | inz: i'm not understanding how this works... | 09:30 |
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| rm_you | inz: how does it know to copy the files in "advanced-backlight-0.8/debian/tmp/usr/lib/" to "/usr/lib/" on the device? | 09:31 |
| rm_you | shouldn't I just be able to put more files in that directory and expect them to go to the right place? | 09:31 |
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| inz | rm, ahh, I made it that way, you need to add the files (or a directory they're under) to debian/advanced-backlight.install | 09:32 |
| rm_you | ok i saw that... | 09:32 |
| rm_you | so the files are in debian/tmp/usr/share/blah/ | 09:33 |
| inz | rm, if you put the files directly there, dh_clean will delete them | 09:33 |
| rm_you | and the advanced-backlight.install has usr/share listed | 09:33 |
| rm_you | so shouldnt it already be working? | 09:33 |
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| rm_you | ah | 09:33 |
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| leif__ | rm_you, you're already copying a .desktop file into place in the install section in the Makefile (I'm looking at advanced-backlight-0.6) | 09:34 |
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| leif__ | just copy other things the same way | 09:34 |
| leif__ | er the debian/rules file, I mean | 09:35 |
| rm_you | that makefile isn't actually used | 09:35 |
| rm_you | ah | 09:35 |
| rm_you | i am | 09:35 |
| rm_you | nie | 09:35 |
| rm_you | *now | 09:35 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles, anyone: beta: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.8-1_armel.deb | 09:37 |
| rm_you | wait | 09:38 |
| rm_you | i broke something random about it... sec | 09:38 |
| rm_you | ok, it's up again | 09:40 |
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| rm_you | dunno why it does that, but it's not new | 09:40 |
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| rm_you | it has a strange popup-placement bug that appears when i move it to the left of the cpu graph plugin >_> | 09:41 |
| corevette | GeneralAntilles: which file system do i reformat it in | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | vfat, I believe. | 09:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sweet making, rm_you. :D | 09:41 |
| rm_you | does it work nicely? | 09:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeppers | 09:42 |
| rm_you | :P nice work on those icons | 09:43 |
| rm_you | i'll get around to dealing with LCARS themed ones soon, i guess... | 09:43 |
| rm_you | i need to sleep now though. | 09:43 |
| rm_you | i guess i'll put the new release up on garage tho :) | 09:43 |
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| rm_you | i emailed them about an upload account for the extras repo (like they said to in their wiki) but no response yet in about a week :( | 09:44 |
| rm_you | ah well | 09:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 09:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anyway, good work. | 09:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! | 09:44 |
| leif__ | rm_you, nice | 09:44 |
| rm_you | :) | 09:44 |
| leif__ | the only thing missing (besides lcars icons :) is the sound when changing the volume | 09:44 |
| rm_you | yeah | 09:44 |
| rm_you | i wonder... | 09:44 |
| inz | rm, you have the cpu graph plugin on os2008? | 09:45 |
| rm_you | yes | 09:45 |
| inz | rm, you compiled it yerself? | 09:45 |
| rm_you | nope | 09:45 |
| rm_you | grabbed it from somewhere like 2 weeks ago | 09:45 |
| rm_you | <_< | 09:45 |
| rm_you | or 3 | 09:45 |
| inz | oh | 09:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | osso-statusbar-cpu has been available for a while. | 09:45 |
| leif__ | GeneralAntilles, nice icons btw | 09:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks! Half stolen from Nokia. :D | 09:46 |
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| inz | General, I though I never compiled it for 2008 (although I surely ported it over to the new API) | 09:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a deb out and about somewhere. | 09:47 |
| leif__ | isn't there more than one statusbar-cpu applet? | 09:47 |
| leif__ | i got the one i'm using (in 2008) from a maemo.org repo iirc | 09:47 |
| johnx | there's 'load-applet' as well | 09:48 |
| johnx | I think that's what it's called | 09:48 |
| leif__ | ah that is what i'm using | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | osso-statusbar-cpu 0.6.1chinook1 | 09:48 |
| inz | General, any idea where it came from? | 09:48 |
| inz | Founds it | 09:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://people.debian.org/~tschmidt/maemo/chinook/osso-statusbar-cpu/ | 09:50 |
| inz | Great that someone has compiled it | 09:51 |
| inz | Maybe I should do it too | 09:51 |
| inz | p'haps later | 09:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 'night, folks. | 09:53 |
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| musikgoat | whats a good method to get ip information of a connection? n800/os2007 | 09:55 |
| musikgoat | no ifconfig in busybox :-( | 09:56 |
| johnx | /sbin/ifconfig :P | 09:56 |
| musikgoat | yeah? hmm | 09:56 |
| johnx | let me guess, you're used to ubuntu? | 09:56 |
| musikgoat | maybe my path is messed up | 09:57 |
| johnx | /sbin isn't in user's path by default | 09:57 |
| inz | and shouldn't be | 09:57 |
| johnx | nothing 'messed up' about that... | 09:57 |
| musikgoat | good to know | 09:57 |
| musikgoat | thanks | 09:57 |
| johnx | sure | 09:57 |
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| johnx | there's also iphome if you want a nice GUI: http://www.mulliner.org/blog/blosxom.cgi/2008/01/25#iphome05maemo4 | 09:58 |
| johnx | disclaimer: haven't tried it | 09:58 |
| inz | musik, via UI the IP can be seen in the connection manager (menu->connection->ip address) | 09:58 |
| rm_you | i use WifiInfo | 09:59 |
| musikgoat | ahh, thanks for that too | 09:59 |
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| rm_you | inz: where is that!? | 10:00 |
| inz | rm, where is what? | 10:00 |
| rm_you | <inz> musik, via UI the IP can be seen in the connection manager (menu->connection->ip address) | 10:00 |
| inz | rm, er, it's "internet connection", not "connection", but anyway | 10:01 |
| inz | rm, start connection manager (under settings) and open menu, "internet connection"->"IP address" | 10:01 |
| rm_you | woah, never knew this app existed | 10:03 |
| rm_you | ah well... sleep | 10:04 |
| inz | rm, well, it is pretty useless app | 10:04 |
| rm_you | oh | 10:04 |
| inz | rm, there's pretty much nothing there that couldn't be done via the sb applet or control panel | 10:04 |
| inz | rm, (except the IP address) | 10:04 |
| rm_you | first... opinion: would it be better for this release to have the volume slider do NO Beep, or do a beep on change, but possibly do multiple beeps >_> | 10:05 |
| musikgoat | whats a suggested text editor for the term or that can get access to sys files | 10:05 |
| rm_you | and by possibly, i mean almost certainly >_> | 10:05 |
| inz | musik, vi | 10:05 |
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| musikgoat | is vi in /usr/bin or downloadable? | 10:05 |
| inz | musik, in /bin, it's busybox built-in | 10:06 |
| corevette | what is the verdict on OS 2007HE vs. OS 2006 | 10:06 |
| musikgoat | great, thanks | 10:06 |
| leif__ | is there any particular reason why /sbin shouldn't be in non-root users' path? | 10:06 |
| rm_you | ... it's Sbin | 10:07 |
| rm_you | ? | 10:07 |
| leif__ | but lots of things in it work without being root... like ifconfig | 10:07 |
| inz | rm, do slider::changed { g_source_remove(timeout); timeout = g_timeout_add(500, pling, NULL); } | 10:07 |
| Veggen | leif: not really. except that programs there are deemed unnecessary for users to use. | 10:07 |
| rm_you | inz: it isn't a slider >_> | 10:07 |
| rm_you | err | 10:08 |
| rm_you | ok i see, nm | 10:08 |
| inz | rm, well, it something you get changed events from | 10:08 |
| johnx | some programs in /sbin work as user but the rest are just cluttering your $PATH | 10:08 |
| rm_you | inz: what type is "timeout"? | 10:08 |
| inz | rm_you, guint, IIRC | 10:09 |
| rm_you | ... is that C? | 10:09 |
| rm_you | slider::changed looks like C++ >_> | 10:09 |
| inz | rm, it was pseudoish | 10:09 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:09 |
| rm_you | i'm not sure how to use these functions tho... | 10:09 |
| rm_you | so it gives me a timer? | 10:10 |
| rm_you | i guess i'll look up the API | 10:10 |
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| inz | rm, yes, g_timeout_add gives you a timer, 500 milliseconds in this case | 10:11 |
| inz | rm, after which gboolean pling(gpointer) will be called | 10:11 |
| inz | rm, unless g_source_remove for the return value of g_timeout_add is called first | 10:12 |
| rm_you | hrm | 10:12 |
| inz | rm, be sure to make the pling() return FALSE, otherwise you will get plingplingplingplingpling... | 10:13 |
| inz | rm, and when pling() is called, it should set timeout = 0 | 10:13 |
| rm_you | this is too complicated for tonight <_< | 10:13 |
| rm_you | i will do it for the next release | 10:13 |
| rm_you | need my sleep <_< | 10:13 |
| inz | you need more caffeine | 10:14 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:14 |
| rm_you | maybe >_> | 10:14 |
| rm_you | or actual sleep | 10:14 |
| inz | Sleep is overrated | 10:14 |
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| johnx | s;eep is for the weak, you can sleep when you're dead :P | 10:14 |
| inz | or when you've run out of things to code | 10:16 |
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| inz | (usually the same thing) | 10:16 |
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| rm_you | lol yeah... | 10:17 |
| * rm_you wears this shirt a lot: http://www.cafepress.com/mightycoder.33844517 | 10:20 | |
| * Tama^2 types: wget -o - http://www.cafepress.com/mightycoder.33844517 | gcc | 10:21 | |
| Tama^2 | mmm | 10:21 |
| Tama^2 | I get something about 'awake' and write_code being undefined identifiers | 10:21 |
| Tama^2 | O,O | 10:21 |
| rm_you | ^_^ | 10:21 |
| rm_you | well, sleep time for me. so no more coding for a bit :P | 10:22 |
| johnx | 'night rm_you | 10:22 |
| inz | Tama, even if gcc supported stdin, you would get syntax errors, gcc probably doesn't understand wget log format | 10:22 |
| rm_you | lol pwnt :P | 10:23 |
| rm_you | -O | 10:23 |
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| inz | Hrm, it backfired, wget -o doesn't actually interpret - as stdout but as literal '-' | 10:24 |
| inz | Fortunately rm supports -- ;) | 10:24 |
| Tama^2 | what is more annoying than a geek? and annoying pedantic geek :P | 10:25 |
| * leif__ notes gcc also lacks OCR | 10:25 | |
| Tama^2 | sure | 10:25 |
| Tama^2 | and while you are at it.. the link pointed at the page not the image | 10:26 |
| Tama^2 | pffff | 10:26 |
| desrt | inz; /dev/stdout? | 10:26 |
| Tama^2 | xD | 10:26 |
| * rm_you uses -pedantic | 10:26 | |
| * rm_you sleeps! >_< | 10:26 | |
| inz | desrt, -O, which is the correct option, does support - | 10:26 |
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| desrt | wonderful! | 10:26 |
| Tama^2 | anyway, I think gcc supports stdin | 10:27 |
| desrt | it does, but you have to give -x | 10:27 |
| desrt | because it has no filename extension to guess from | 10:27 |
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| inz | Tama, indeed it does, but you need to tell it to read from it | 10:29 |
| Tama^2 | ok ok but you know a joke is usually an unfaithful rendition of reality designed to induce laughter | 10:30 |
| musikgoat | hope you can answer another (probly simple) question. I'm trying to add the /sbin to the path by making a .profile directive, guess this doesn't work. after closing and reopening xterm, and type $PATH, its only got /bin and /usr/bin, what could I be doing wrong? | 10:30 |
| inz | musik, trying to add sbin to your path? | 10:31 |
| musikgoat | yes | 10:31 |
| musikgoat | permanently | 10:31 |
| inz | That was meant to be a suggestion of what you're doing wrong | 10:31 |
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| inz | I guess xterm doesn't spawn login shells | 10:32 |
| musikgoat | tried $PATH=$PATH:/sbin in .profile in the home dir, would that be parsed? | 10:32 |
| inz | Which makes it not use .profile | 10:32 |
| johnx | PATH=$PATH:/sbin is what you want | 10:32 |
| johnx | actually export PATH=$PATH:/sbin | 10:32 |
| tank-man | use export | 10:33 |
| musikgoat | ok, that worked | 10:33 |
| musikgoat | does export add it permenantly? | 10:34 |
| johnx | if you just ran that from a shell: no | 10:34 |
| johnx | what *exactly* did you put in .profile when it didn't work? | 10:35 |
| musikgoat | what i typed above, verbatim | 10:35 |
| musikgoat | should i drop the $ | 10:35 |
| musikgoat | or add export | 10:35 |
| johnx | ok, try putting exactly the following in .profile: | 10:36 |
| johnx | export PATH=$PATH:/sbin | 10:36 |
| b0unc3 | good morning | 10:36 |
| johnx | mornin' b0unc3 | 10:37 |
| musikgoat | success, thanks johnx | 10:37 |
| johnx | sure | 10:37 |
| musikgoat | and others | 10:37 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
| leif__ | howdy Jaffa | 10:48 |
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| _collin_ | hi | 11:06 |
| leif__ | hi | 11:09 |
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| maddler | morning all | 11:25 |
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| ssafsa | how do I find out the sudo PW for my device? | 11:27 |
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| ssafsa | n810, to be specific | 11:27 |
| maddler | you have to set a password for 'user' | 11:28 |
| ssafsa | how so? | 11:28 |
| maddler | and then modify /etc/sudoers in order to allow 'user' to use sudo | 11:28 |
| ssafsa | is "user" the default login? | 11:28 |
| maddler | yes | 11:29 |
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| maddler | follow the "how to become root the easy way" on maemo.org | 11:29 |
| maddler | you should find everyhthing you need | 11:29 |
| ssafsa | ok, thanks | 11:30 |
| ssafsa | passwd was restricted, so I was about to ask :) | 11:30 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:33 |
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| ssafsa | these root instructions are for the 770. is there anything more up to date? | 11:38 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:39 |
| hrw | ssafsa: 770 is old so why instructions had to change? | 11:40 |
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| hrw | ah. sorry | 11:40 |
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| maddler | ssafsa: it will work in the same way... | 11:41 |
| ssafsa | maddler: if I do these instructions, would someone sshing into the device be able to gain root? | 11:41 |
| parolkar | Hi , can maemo be used for nokia 5300 | 11:41 |
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| ssafsa | parolkar: nope | 11:42 |
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| maddler | ssafsa: that's why, if you go ahead reading, you have to change default root password... ;) | 11:43 |
| maddler | afk | 11:43 |
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| |tbb| | morning all | 11:44 |
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| ssafsa | maddler: hmm, ok I was looking at "how do i become root 2" and not "how do I become root" | 11:44 |
| ssafsa | maddler: this 1 version makes more sense | 11:44 |
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| maddler | they are basically two different aproaches to solve same "issue" | 11:45 |
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| maddler | choose the one you feel more comfortable with... | 11:46 |
| ssafsa | maddler: without rtfm, is there a way to have no root user, but keep sudo enabled, a la Ubuntu flavor | 11:46 |
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| maddler | passwd -l root | 11:47 |
| jku | ssafsa, there's always root. just remove root password so no-one can login as root | 11:47 |
| parolkar | Hi , can maemo be used for nokia 5300 | 11:47 |
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| ssafsa | parolkar: nope | 11:47 |
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| ssafsa | parolkar: Nokia 5300 is an S60 device designed for an S60 platform. Its hardware wont be supported by the Maemo platform. | 11:48 |
| parolkar | Hi , is there any list of devices where people have tested/built maemo apps | 11:48 |
| maddler | parolkar: and asking twice won't help ;) | 11:48 |
| hrw | parolkar: maemo works on nokias: 770, n800, n810 | 11:49 |
| maddler | parolkar: maemo, as of now, only works on 70/n800/n810 devices... | 11:49 |
| hrw | parolkar: and on nokia rx-48 which no one officially know what it is | 11:49 |
| maddler | parolkar: before asking, please, give a look at www.maemo.org | 11:49 |
| ssafsa | Won't Maemo run on a desktop PC? | 11:49 |
| ssafsa | It IS debian, right? | 11:49 |
| parolkar | hrw, maddler , thanks... | 11:49 |
| hrw | ssafsa: it is not debian | 11:49 |
| maddler | it is not Debian, it's aDebian derivate | 11:50 |
| ssafsa | hrw: oops, my bad | 11:50 |
| hrw | ssafsa: it is modeled on debian, it use debian tools but it is not debian | 11:50 |
| maddler | slightly different.. | 11:50 |
| jku | it's not really a linux distribution anyway, so it doesn't run anywhere | 11:50 |
| maddler | btw... yes... ti could run on a PC... | 11:50 |
| maddler | even it doesn't make so much sense to use it on a PC... | 11:50 |
| ssafsa | yea, i figured... all the HW if's look the same | 11:51 |
| maddler | since it is higly aimed at ITs | 11:51 |
| ssafsa | but wouldn't it be a super low memory footprint? | 11:51 |
| maddler | "HW if's"?! | 11:51 |
| ssafsa | interfaces | 11:51 |
| maddler | ssafsa: there are many light distros around... | 11:51 |
| maddler | which will run on low end hardware.. | 11:51 |
| ssafsa | maddler: yea, but for the sake of douchebaggery... | 11:52 |
| maddler | giving you a more comfortable environment | 11:52 |
| maddler | ? | 11:52 |
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| leif__ | many of the things in ITOS are not open source, and there are not x86 versions available | 11:57 |
| maddler | leif__: right.. | 11:57 |
| maddler | vasically it would make much more sense to have a minimal Linux install and use Matchbox as well as any other light window manager... | 11:58 |
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| ssafsa | maddler: but dont discount the douchebaggery factor of being able to say "i run maemo on my x86" etc | 11:59 |
| ssafsa | maddler: e.g. putting linux on an xbox 360 | 11:59 |
| maddler | ssafsa: no one will stop you... | 11:59 |
| ssafsa | maddler: lol | 12:00 |
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| leif__ | ssafsa, maemo isn't the whole OS the tablets run, it is just the SDK really | 12:00 |
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| leif__ | the OS is called ITOS - Internet Tablet OS - and it is maemo + lots of proprietary stuff | 12:02 |
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| tigrux | Hello guys. | 12:02 |
| leif__ | hi | 12:02 |
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| maddler | hi | 12:02 |
| tigrux | I almost finished my pet project, a youtube browser and viewer for the nokia tablets. | 12:02 |
| tigrux | I need testers please. | 12:03 |
| ssafsa | link? | 12:03 |
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| tigrux | ssafsa: My internet at home is only 128kb upload. | 12:03 |
| ssafsa | www.sourceforge.org | 12:03 |
| tigrux | Ok, i will copy the packages to my public_html. | 12:04 |
| tigrux | Give me a few secs. | 12:04 |
| tigrux | Guys, here are the debs. | 12:06 |
| tigrux | http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/youtube-viewer-for-tablet/ | 12:06 |
| tigrux | I can't upload to garage becase I'm not sure if the name I chose is legal or not. | 12:06 |
| solmumaha | how does it work? (can't test at work) | 12:07 |
| tigrux | Here is a screenshot: http://tigrux.homelinux.org/tigrux/youtube-viewer-for-tablet/yt-search.png | 12:07 |
| tigrux | solmumaha: I read the developer site of youtube, and realized it can be accessed using pure python. | 12:08 |
| ssafsa | hehe, your upload IS slow | 12:08 |
| Blafasel | tigrux: Let me guess - that site is hosted by your 128k upload ;) | 12:08 |
| Blafasel | ssafsa: ;) | 12:08 |
| tigrux | solmumaha: Also, the program youtube-dl made me realize we can get the flvs (flash videos) by using simple urlopen. | 12:09 |
| tigrux | Blafasel: Yea, I'm very cheap. | 12:09 |
| Blafasel | tigrux: Want some temp. web space? ;) | 12:09 |
| tigrux | solmumaha: Also, I noticed gstffmpeg can decode flash video and gstplugins bad (flvdemux) can demux the videos. | 12:09 |
| Blafasel | Looks neat, though | 12:09 |
| tigrux | solmumaha: And the rest was just programming. :) | 12:09 |
| Blafasel | I'll give it a try asap | 12:10 |
| tigrux | Blafasel: Please. | 12:10 |
| solmumaha | looks nice | 12:10 |
| inz | Blafasel, which isn't too soon ;) | 12:10 |
| ssafsa | i like the screenshot | 12:10 |
| solmumaha | youtube-dl is nice, i use it for web based youtube -> mp3 | 12:10 |
| tigrux | The usage is very simple: everything should work using only the 5-way action button. | 12:10 |
| ssafsa | the blue selection box is a little quirky, but the layout is straightforward | 12:10 |
| Blafasel | tigrux: Put it somewhere where we don't fight for your upload ;) | 12:11 |
| tigrux | ssafsa: Yea, I have to make the buttons more screeny to make notice you are selecting them. | 12:11 |
| tigrux | Blafasel: Could you copy them please? | 12:11 |
| tigrux | I just finished the error dealing and the volume setup. | 12:11 |
| inz | http://inz.fi/youtube-viewer-for-tablet/ | 12:11 |
| maddler | tigrux: I'll give it a try later today... | 12:11 |
| inz | There's a temporary faster "mirror" | 12:12 |
| solmumaha | tigrux: it uses the default media player to view those? | 12:12 |
| tigrux | By the way, the application shoud work out of the box in an ubuntu with gstflvdemux and gstffmpeg. | 12:12 |
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| maddler | seems interesting.. | 12:12 |
| tigrux | solmumaha: No, sorry. The playbin element is quite slow to type find the streams. | 12:13 |
| tigrux | the source code is included in the deb. | 12:13 |
| tigrux | Guys, thanks yo maddler, please download from http://inz.fi/youtube-viewer-for-tablet/ | 12:14 |
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| tigrux | Has anyone taken a look? I was wondering what should be the name of the proyect. | 12:14 |
| ssafsa | youtube viewer for maemo would be a good name | 12:14 |
| maddler | youviewer? | 12:15 |
| tigrux | I guess youtube-viewer is illegal. :( | 12:15 |
| inz | ssafsa, except that maemo cannot be used, and probably youtube neither | 12:15 |
| ssafsa | å | 12:15 |
| tigrux | I also used a propietary icon. :-/ | 12:15 |
| ssafsa | hehe | 12:15 |
| Blafasel | inz: That's what I call fast ;) | 12:15 |
| ssafsa | inz, mikä on sun nettipalvelus? | 12:16 |
| inz | ssafsa, tenue | 12:16 |
| tigrux | By the way, the program does not deactivate the screen dimming, does not preserve the history search, etc. | 12:16 |
| pupnik | infinite hamster dance viewer | 12:16 |
| maddler | tigrux: yt-viewer? | 12:16 |
| tigrux | It's is barebones stage. :) | 12:16 |
| maddler | ;) | 12:16 |
| ssafsa | thanks | 12:16 |
| tigrux | maddler: Yea, could be. | 12:16 |
| tigrux | maddler: The internal package it provides is named btw. | 12:16 |
| tigrux | maddler: Please, tell me you already tried. | 12:17 |
| maddler | hehehe... I don't have my N810 with me... :( | 12:17 |
| tigrux | :'( | 12:17 |
| solmumaha | metrain | 12:18 |
| inz | Blafasel, at least it's faster than a 128k | 12:18 |
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| tigrux | Please... could anyone install the packages from http://inz.fi/youtube-viewer-for-tablet/ and give ideas/suggestions? | 12:19 |
| ssafsa | you-t-tablet-v | 12:19 |
| ssafsa | youtabview | 12:19 |
| tigrux | yt-viewer sounds neat. :) | 12:19 |
| jku | tigrux, I'll take look in a minute | 12:19 |
| ssafsa | youviewtablet | 12:19 |
| inz | utabvu | 12:19 |
| Blafasel | yt sounds always like Yellowtab to me.. | 12:20 |
| ssafsa | u-vü-tablet-edition-2008-copyright-tigrux-all-rights-reserved | 12:20 |
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| tigrux | I will also have to modify the icon. :-/ | 12:21 |
| michele_ | tigrux: just looking at the screenshots, a suggestion: make it easier to scroll | 12:22 |
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| michele_ | tigrux: ideally, use MokoFingerScroll | 12:22 |
| jku | tigrux, icon in games-menu? | 12:22 |
| tigrux | michele_: It already is, just use the action button. | 12:22 |
| michele_ | action button? | 12:23 |
| tigrux | michele_: You don't have to use the stylus at all, excepting to click on the category link. | 12:23 |
| |tbb| | are the videos playable with builtin mediaplayer then? | 12:23 |
| tigrux | No, it uses its own embedded player. | 12:23 |
| jku | tigrux, crash after just few frames of playback | 12:24 |
| tigrux | jku: Eeek! | 12:24 |
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| jku | looks like it works the second time though | 12:25 |
| tigrux | jku: What was the video you were watching when it crashed? | 12:25 |
| tigrux | jku: Because it has not crashed here. | 12:25 |
| jku | tigrux, sorry,didn't pay attention to that (I'll say if I notice the same video) | 12:26 |
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| jku | tigrux, how do I get out of full screen playback? hw button doesn't work | 12:26 |
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| tigrux | jku: You have to stop the video first. | 12:27 |
| tigrux | jku: Because it would crash. | 12:27 |
| tigrux | jku: No idea how to fix that yet. :( | 12:27 |
| tigrux | jku: Press backspace or the action button. | 12:28 |
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| tank-man | anyone else find mplauncher(mplayer) loads slow? (like its scanning for files) or is it just me | 12:28 |
| jku | tigrux, I tried and "Error gstgnomevfssrc.c(731): gst_gnome_vfs_src_create(): pipeline0/src: Failed to read data: I/O error" | 12:28 |
| |tbb| | how smooth is the playback then? | 12:28 |
| jku | tigrux, the playback stopped and that dialog was shown | 12:29 |
| tigrux | |tbb|: Not smooth as I hoped. | 12:29 |
| tigrux | |tbb|: Some videos look choppy. | 12:29 |
| tigrux | jku: Damn! Tell me the name of the video please. | 12:29 |
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| jku | "Star Wars Paraphrase Theater: Tarkin n Friends" | 12:30 |
| jku | but it seemed to be a result of my actions (madly trying to get out of full screen) | 12:31 |
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| tigrux | jku: Yes, the second video in the Featured. Right? | 12:31 |
| jku | yep | 12:31 |
| |tbb| | choppier as when i will playback it into microb browser? | 12:32 |
| tigrux | jku: How long could it play? | 12:32 |
| jku | maybe a minute? | 12:32 |
| tigrux | |tbb|: No, of couse not. :) | 12:32 |
| jku | could have been two | 12:32 |
| tigrux | jku: Strange, it finished here. | 12:32 |
| jku | like I said it seemed to happen because of something I did | 12:33 |
| tigrux | jku: Is you network slow or the signal very weak? | 12:33 |
| tigrux | jku: Ohh... sorry. | 12:33 |
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| jku | tigrux, my connection is a bit on the slow side but shouldn't be the bottleneck here | 12:34 |
| tigrux | |tbb|: I actually started this project because I was envious of the ipod-touch users. :) | 12:34 |
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| tigrux | jku: What do you think of the GUI by the way? | 12:35 |
| jku | tigrux, crash or error if I select a movie (with enter) and then select it again before it opens | 12:37 |
| tigrux | jku: Let me try. | 12:37 |
| tigrux | jku: :D | 12:37 |
| tigrux | jku: You are right! | 12:37 |
| tigrux | jku: Thanks a lot! | 12:37 |
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| tigrux | jku: I will fix it before uploading it to garage. | 12:38 |
| tigrux | jku: Any other thought? | 12:38 |
| jku | tigrux, main screen is pretty good. Buttons should be bigger though, and it should be visible somewhere which mode I'm seeing (search/Featured/Top rated/...) | 12:39 |
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| tigrux | jku: The buttons bigger? You mean with more border size around them? | 12:40 |
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| jku | vertically, I mean. they're not very high | 12:41 |
| tigrux | jku: Oki. | 12:41 |
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| tigrux | jku: Regarding the issue with full size mode and the going to unfullscreen... no idea how to solve it. :( | 12:42 |
| * pupnik continues the dosbox performance testing | 12:43 | |
| tigrux | jku: Also, I don't know how to avoid the screen go to sleep/dim. | 12:43 |
| tigrux | jku: Do you know where I can learn that? | 12:43 |
| jku | tigrux, maemomapper source? | 12:43 |
| tigrux | jku: Good point. | 12:43 |
| tigrux | jku: Wel... time to go to bed. | 12:44 |
| tigrux | It's 4:43am and I have to work in a few hours. Eeek! | 12:44 |
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| inz | pupnik, can I nhl95 on n810? | 12:47 |
| inz | pupnik, hmm, it would need some custom mappings though, it uses alt... | 12:47 |
| pupnik | if it's a 95 game chances are no | 12:47 |
| pupnik | 1981-1989 games generally do ok | 12:48 |
| lardman | morning | 12:48 |
| inz | pupnik, it has the same game engine as nhl93 ;) | 12:48 |
| pupnik | hi | 12:48 |
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| lardman | hi pupnik | 12:48 |
| inz | pupnik, but that doesn't help too much yet | 12:48 |
| tony2001 | hey | 12:48 |
| nibbles | pupnik: sorry, i just joined in the convo... are you guys talking about mame roms? | 12:48 |
| glass | inz: those nhl's were released for some consoles too | 12:49 |
| pupnik | no, old dos games | 12:49 |
| tigrux | Guys, please install from http://inz.fi/youtube-viewer-for-tablet/ and send your comments or bugs to tigrux|at|gmail|dot|com | 12:49 |
| tony2001 | any idea what might be causing this: http://phpfi.com/295966 ? | 12:49 |
| tigrux | I want to fix visible bugs before posting to garage. | 12:50 |
| tigrux | Thanks. | 12:50 |
| ssvb | tank-man: yes, it is scanning for files | 12:51 |
| nibbles | ssvb: can you disable the option? | 12:52 |
| pupnik | tony2001: sorry no. but is that % allowed? | 12:52 |
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| ssvb | nibbles: no, you would not have a list of videos available to play in this case | 12:53 |
| ssvb | how much time does it take to start for you? | 12:55 |
| nibbles | i dunno, i was just asking the obvious question | 12:55 |
| tony2001 | pupnik: I don't think so. it seems to come from url encoding: ":" -> "%3a" | 12:56 |
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| inz | tony2001, is the interpreter for the postinst script missing? | 13:01 |
| inz | tony2001, (head /var/lib/dpkg/info/bison.postinst) | 13:01 |
| inz | Or preinst or something | 13:02 |
| tony2001 | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory | 13:02 |
| tony2001 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/bison_1%3a1.875d-1osso_armel.deb (--unpack): | 13:02 |
| tony2001 | do you think it complains about post-inst script? | 13:02 |
| tony2001 | 'cause it looks like it fails to find the package itself | 13:02 |
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| jku | tony read again: "unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory" | 13:03 |
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| inz | It's preinst that it cannot run, probably due to a missing interpreter | 13:03 |
| inz | It shouldn't try to run the file in the first place, if it didn't exist | 13:03 |
| tony2001 | jku: well, it's sorta difficult to find a post-inst script in a package that doesn't exist =) | 13:04 |
| tony2001 | btw, anyone interested in maemo port of GNU utils? | 13:11 |
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| |tbb| | r there any umpc out there which could replace a desktop pc (for standard use) ? | 13:13 |
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| leif__ | |tbb|, maybe you should ask in #eeepc | 13:17 |
| hrw | |tbb|: not for me - I am too used to 1680x1050 screen of my desktop | 13:17 |
| inz | tony, ahh, true, you'd need to ar x and tar gz the control to investigate the preinst | 13:17 |
| hrw | tony2001: port? or just recompilation? | 13:17 |
| inz | tony, on my ubuntu hardy, /var/lib/dpkg/info/bison.preinst says: #!/bin/bash | 13:18 |
| hrw | tony2001: and which GNU utils? findutils coreutils diffutils? | 13:18 |
| tony2001 | it's a recompilation more or less | 13:20 |
| tony2001 | similar to http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ | 13:20 |
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| jku | inz, that's somthing I've been wondering: should there be a "list of Debian 'Essential' packages that are not installed on stock ITOS"? | 13:33 |
| jku | would help checking hidden dependencies like this one | 13:34 |
| jku | inz, you've packaged way more than I have: is this a real problem, or is it just bash? | 13:35 |
| inz | jku, I guess such list might help every now and then | 13:43 |
| inz | jku, otoh, i think there are no "bashisms" in the bison script | 13:43 |
| inz | jku, or, humm, might be, but nothing that couldn't be trivially fixed | 13:44 |
| jku | yeah that's definitely a minor bug in bison | 13:45 |
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| tony2001 | jku: want me to create a report about it? | 14:11 |
| lardman | Could someone with scratchbox in front of them tell me the value of BUFSIZ and PATH_MAX please | 14:15 |
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| pupnik | both blank in the idnt vmware sb | 14:17 |
| lardman | ah, they are defined in stdio.h I guess | 14:17 |
| jku | tony2001, if you're talking about the bison packaging bug, it's really minor (bash is an essential package, so it's just "unneeded bash use"). OTOH, at least ubuntu has been trying to get rid of unnecessary bash usage, so why not... | 14:17 |
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| tony2001 | jku: just to clarify: "why not" == "fill a report @ bugs.maemo.org", right? | 14:48 |
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| inz | tony, yeah, go ahead, the fix is trivial | 14:49 |
| hrw | ok, who (from users of n810 and scandinavian keymap) know how to enter "? ?" chars from HW keyboard? | 14:49 |
| jku | no, unless bison is a package from maemo.org meant to be installed on device... | 14:49 |
| inz | jku, nevertheless, the package is broken ;) | 14:49 |
| tony2001 | well, aren't they all? | 14:49 |
| inz | jku, even if the bug is an "enhancement," it can be reported | 14:49 |
| jku | tony2001, the development repo is not really | 14:50 |
| jku | but inz is right, no harm in trying | 14:50 |
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| inz | tony, don't expect wonders, but a bug never hurt anyone | 14:50 |
| tony2001 | ok | 14:50 |
| hrw | shit. roken utf :( | 14:51 |
| inz | tony, if you're up for it, add a patch and earn some brownie points ;) | 14:51 |
| inz | I usually only report bugs I can fix ;) | 14:51 |
| jku | tony2001, stuff in http://repository.maemo.org/-repo is not meant/tested to work on the device, even if some of it does | 14:52 |
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| inz | The old saying about stupid questions kind of applies to bugs as well | 14:52 |
| tony2001 | inz: I can add a working package instead =) | 14:53 |
| inz | Except that in the time of the intternets, the "google it first" applies to both | 14:53 |
| inz | tony, a patch is better, one that clearly shows what is wrong | 14:53 |
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| hrw | ~hail xkb | 15:01 |
| * infobot bows down to xkb and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 15:01 | |
| * lardman had hoped that writing some MATLAB to extract the satellite data from gps_last_saved_report would be easier than it is | 15:01 | |
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| jku | lardman, do you mean nvd_data? | 15:03 |
| jku | lardman, I've got a bit of python that I've used to try reading nvd_data | 15:05 |
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| maddler | oink | 15:09 |
| Pretoriano | hi | 15:09 |
| maddler | hi | 15:09 |
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| Pretoriano | anybody have ettercap on maemo? | 15:09 |
| Pretoriano | i know that is ported but i have a problem | 15:10 |
| lardman | jku: Thanks, I've got MATLAB to read that one, but I wanted to compare the recorded satellite data saved in gps_last_saved_report with the numbers from nvd_data | 15:11 |
| jku | so you know the format of gps_last_saved_report? | 15:12 |
| lardman | oh yes, it's in gpsd | 15:12 |
| jku | I haven't taken a closer look after seeing it's not ascii | 15:12 |
| jku | ok | 15:12 |
| lardman | osso-gpsd that is | 15:12 |
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| lardman | Perhaps I should just link against that and use their function rather than trying to conver it to MATLAB | 15:12 |
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| tony2001 | jku: how do I do that? | 15:22 |
| jku | tony2001, you mean my comment on bugzilla? | 15:22 |
| tony2001 | yup =) | 15:22 |
| jku | well, fix the postinst script (and check the maemo packaging guide if there's something else to do), create a garage project if you don't have one, and put the debs to garage | 15:24 |
| jku | if you want to put it to extras, you need to ask for those permissions specifically | 15:25 |
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| tony2001 | ahha.. so it's ok to have recompilations (not ports) in Garage? | 15:25 |
| jku | ? | 15:25 |
| jku | if it works, it's ok... | 15:25 |
| tony2001 | ok. I just thought it's meant for projects specially written/adopted for maemo | 15:26 |
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| hrw | someone has gconf-editor for maemo? | 15:36 |
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| hrw | keyboards under maemo were desinged by ..... (any offensive word) | 15:39 |
| Tak | ooo, is it a guessing game? | 15:40 |
| hrw | no | 15:41 |
| hrw | I am going to be mad | 15:41 |
| Navi | What keyboard? | 15:41 |
| hrw | moron which designed it should be shoot | 15:41 |
| hrw | Navi: its more 'how to add own keyboard layout for HW n810 one' then 'how to make layout' | 15:42 |
| hrw | layout is quite easy when you get it. its pure XKB stuff | 15:42 |
| Navi | mmk | 15:42 |
| hrw | but how maemo handle it is insane | 15:42 |
| hrw | 1. create onscreen layout for your lang (I am fine with English one but had to copy it as pl_PL one) | 15:43 |
| hrw | 2. reboot to get maemo notify that new lang layout exists | 15:43 |
| hrw | 3. curse as my n810 has power bug so will boot after 1h of nothing | 15:43 |
| hrw | 4. copy XKB layout to device | 15:44 |
| hrw | 5. pray that VKB pl_PL was noticed | 15:44 |
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| hrw | when n810 will boot (if I will have time etc) I will check how it goes | 15:45 |
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| Tobotras | Hi. Can you connect to internet (or LAN) via ad-hoc wi-fi? | 15:54 |
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| hrw | Tobotras: why not? if one of adhoc machines will route packets... | 15:55 |
| inz | dns might be a problem | 15:56 |
| Tobotras | hrw: well, I'm checking routing on tablet and there is no default route while ad hoc connecting. I wonder if this is on purpose... | 15:56 |
| inz | And knowing which ad-hoc machine does the routing | 15:56 |
| hrw | but doable | 15:56 |
| Tobotras | How do I know my peer's IP?.. | 15:57 |
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| hrw | tcpdump? | 15:59 |
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| Tobotras | rude :) | 16:00 |
| inz | ping -b? | 16:00 |
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| Spakman_ | When installing or upgrading Modest I get presented with some release notes (very nice). Is there a standard way for me to implement this in the .deb file for my app? | 16:01 |
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| hrw | Spakman_: it is 'documented' on wiki somewhere | 16:03 |
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| hrw | Tobotras: I used tcpdump once to get net from ethernet cable | 16:04 |
| lardman | jku: ah-ha, in the osso-gpsd source there's a file called view_last_saved_report.c | 16:04 |
| bhearsum | not sure if this is the correct place to ask...but i'm trying to get Python Twisted running on Scratchbox but having trouble getting it to find the host compiler when i run 'python setup.py build' | 16:04 |
| hrw | plug, run tcpdump to get network info, configure eth0 to network, find router, add route | 16:04 |
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| bhearsum | if i set CC/CXX it helps a _bit_, but still fails out | 16:04 |
| lardman | jku: It spits out a dump of that file, including the satellites in view, which is useful :) | 16:04 |
| lmoura | bhearsum, are you calling python2.5 explicitly? | 16:05 |
| bhearsum | lmoura: i'm trying to get it running on the stock python, actually (2.3) | 16:05 |
| hrw | ~curse /apps/osso/inputmethod/available_languages | 16:06 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, /apps/osso/inputmethod/available_languages ! | 16:06 |
| bhearsum | because 2.4 and 2.5 both throw qemu errors and crash a lot | 16:06 |
| Spakman_ | hrw: I've not been able to find any references to it, but I'll keep looking. | 16:06 |
| hrw | Spakman_: look at modest postinst script | 16:06 |
| Spakman_ | hrw: mega - thanks! | 16:07 |
| bhearsum | lmoura: i guess you have no ideas? :) | 16:09 |
| lmoura | bhearsum, unfortunately, no =\ | 16:11 |
| bhearsum | fair enough :) | 16:11 |
| lmoura | the same error appears in x86 target? | 16:11 |
| bhearsum | i haven't tried x86 | 16:11 |
| bhearsum | 'tis worth a shot though | 16:11 |
| bhearsum | i suspect the problem here is that python's setup.py module is being dumb with paths | 16:12 |
| bhearsum | because i can build other things OK | 16:12 |
| bhearsum | (but maybe they aren't trying to use the specific feature of gcc that python is) | 16:12 |
| jku | Spakman, read the packaging guide http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application_packages.html | 16:12 |
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| jku | Spakman, you're looking for "maemo-confirm-text", I believe | 16:12 |
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| bhearsum | lmoura: but for the record, x86 has the same failure | 16:13 |
| lmoura | using python2.5 too? | 16:13 |
| bhearsum | (http://pastebin.ca/901192 for those interested) | 16:13 |
| bhearsum | lmoura: sec | 16:13 |
| bhearsum | heh | 16:14 |
| bhearsum | sigsegv on python2.5 | 16:14 |
| jott | bhearsum: python in sbox is kind of broken. for one, you should use the eabi qemu and then force python2.5 for python binary modules... | 16:16 |
| bhearsum | :( | 16:16 |
| jumpula | SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python /usr/bin/python | 16:16 |
| jumpula | for bypassing the host python | 16:16 |
| bhearsum | jott: this makes me sad | 16:17 |
| jumpula | same goes for perl | 16:17 |
| bhearsum | jumpula: out of curiosity, what is the scratchbox redirect? | 16:17 |
| jott | bhearsum: well it's solevable ;) just do what jumpula says and get setup the eabi qemu | 16:17 |
| bhearsum | (is there a page somewhere about what exactly gets redirected?) | 16:17 |
| bhearsum | jott: what's eabi qemu? | 16:18 |
| jumpula | bhearsum: you mean like what does it or what? :) | 16:18 |
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| lmoura | bhearsum, http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html | 16:18 |
| bhearsum | jumpula: i don't even know what it does | 16:18 |
| jott | ah lmoura was faster :) | 16:19 |
| jott | (also looked for that link) | 16:19 |
| Tak | awesome! @ patched qemu | 16:19 |
| bhearsum | heh | 16:19 |
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| hrw | heh.. yet-another qemu fork | 16:22 |
| * bhearsum is going to tackle this problem a different way, does not want to patch qemu | 16:22 | |
| jumpula | bhearsum: echo $SBOX_REDIRECT_FROM_DIRS | 16:23 |
| jumpula | echo $PATH | 16:23 |
| jumpula | primarily, all host tools are before target ones in path | 16:23 |
| jumpula | there's a preloaded library which does the rest | 16:23 |
| bhearsum | so is it bad that i have 'export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:$PATH' in my ~/.bash_profile? (inside of sbox) | 16:24 |
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| jumpula | ie. calling /usr/bin/python will end up always in /scratchbox/tools/bin/python | 16:24 |
| bhearsum | ah | 16:24 |
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| jumpula | yes, i think that's broken. | 16:24 |
| * bhearsum comments it out, tries again | 16:24 | |
| jumpula | the SBOX_REDIRECT_FROM_DIRS will override those anyway | 16:24 |
| jumpula | so i guess the result won't change | 16:25 |
| bhearsum | yeah, made no difference | 16:25 |
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| tony2001 | ghrm | 16:25 |
| jumpula | adjust the environment variable, either one to suit your needs | 16:25 |
| * bhearsum isn't really sure what is going to meet his needs | 16:25 | |
| jumpula | note, though that ignore needs a complete path | 16:25 |
| tony2001 | why does apt-get want to remove osso-software-version when I try to downgrade libpng12-0 ? | 16:25 |
| jku | osso-software-version depends on specific versions | 16:26 |
| jumpula | ie. ignoring redirect from /usr/bin/python and executing python will still end up with host python | 16:26 |
| jumpula | you need to call /usr/bin/python | 16:26 |
| bhearsum | yeah | 16:26 |
| bhearsum | i don't think that's going to work either, because of the qemu errors | 16:26 |
| tony2001 | jku: so it's ok to remove it? | 16:27 |
| bhearsum | which causes sadfaces, but i suppose i can work around this | 16:27 |
| bhearsum | (i'm trying to get Buildbot going inside of sbox; i can probably just run it outside of it, however) | 16:27 |
| jku | tony2001, I _think_ so. I guess it's there just to prevent people from unknowingly changing from a Nokia-tested configuration | 16:29 |
| tony2001 | okay.. | 16:29 |
| jku | it has "Maemo-Flags: system-update" so removing may affect Application Manager experience... | 16:30 |
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| tony2001 | I wonder where & when did I manage to get those updated package versions.. | 16:34 |
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| jku | tony2001, on the device? | 16:36 |
| jku | tony2001, the ITOS releases sometimes have newer stuff than what the development repository has | 16:37 |
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| tony2001 | yup, on the device | 16:40 |
| tony2001 | ok, let's see if I can do it in the Right Way [tm], using that vmware thingie =) | 16:41 |
| inz | tony, the os2008 distribution on repository.maemo.org should have same versions as the ones on the device | 16:42 |
| inz | tony, chinook, otoh, sometimes has older versions | 16:42 |
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| tony2001 | inz: what's the difference between os2008 and chinook? for some reason I thought that's just two diff names for the same thing. | 16:47 |
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| SDuensin | Morning all. | 16:53 |
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| inz | tony, chinook is the sdk | 16:55 |
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| inz | tony, whereas os2008 is the os on the device (which is based on chinook) | 16:56 |
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| michele_ | oh I didn't know this distinction | 16:58 |
| |tbb| | anyone could help me to get internet working on tablet while its connected throug ubuntu workstation via usbnet | 16:58 |
| inz | it's not that much advertised =) | 16:58 |
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| |tbb| | inz: mean me? | 17:06 |
| |tbb| | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdpfT06VrQk <- if i would buy an umpc that one fits | 17:06 |
| inz | |tbb|, nope, previous conversation | 17:06 |
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| SDuensin | Anybody know exactly what switching the WLAN connection's power saving feature off does? | 17:07 |
| Tobotras | SDuensin: increase power consumption? | 17:08 |
| inz | Allows the wlan chip to sleep a bit if there's no outgoing traffic | 17:09 |
| ||cw | SDuensin: with power saving on. when you aren't sending or receiving data the radio goes into a low power heartbeat mode | 17:09 |
| SDuensin | Turning off power saving finally got the N800 connected to my Mac's shared internet. Stupid Mac. | 17:10 |
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| ||cw | has a side effect that receiving data comes with a little lag, but since running a server on a handheld is impractical, it doesn't really matter | 17:10 |
| |tbb| | okay inz: then plz help me to get internet while im on usbnet ;) | 17:10 |
| lardman | |tbb|: they're selling that on the fact that is has a virtual desktop!? | 17:11 |
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| lardman | |tbb|: too big and chunky for my liking | 17:11 |
| SDuensin | With either of the two power saving settings turned on, it loses packets like mad. | 17:11 |
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| |tbb| | lardman but runs ubuntu native | 17:13 |
| |tbb| | which is the right way | 17:14 |
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| lardman | |tbb|: does it, ah, well not such a revolutionary feature then :) | 17:14 |
| * lardman thought Windows XP was catching up | 17:15 | |
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| inz | |tbb|, cannot, sry, I've no idea of it | 17:15 |
| inz | |tbb|, back in os2006 days you used a DUMMY connection, but nowadays I've no clue | 17:16 |
| |tbb| | http://www.pocketables.net/2008/01/e-lead-electron.html <- transparent keyboard over the touch ;) | 17:17 |
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| michele_ | and the keyboard looks awful to use | 17:19 |
| hrw | lardman: still collecting nvd_data files? | 17:20 |
| SDuensin | What's an nvd_data file? | 17:22 |
| * SDuensin is new here. | 17:22 | |
| jku | SDuensin, input/output for gpsdriver | 17:23 |
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| jku | SDuensin, apparently satellite data and last position data is saved there. May be useful for assisted GPS | 17:24 |
| SDuensin | Ah. No GPS in my new toy. :-) | 17:25 |
| * SDuensin has an 800. | 17:25 | |
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| pupnik | SDuensin: you know http://internettablettalk.com/forums ? | 17:28 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Been browsing there a bit. | 17:28 |
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| lardman | hrw: yep, if you can provide the gps_last_saved_location file too. | 17:31 |
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| hrw | lardman: I can give you location and time | 17:32 |
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| lardman | hrw: the location file contains a list of satellites, would be useful to see that too | 17:32 |
| hrw | lardman: ok - will grab new fix then | 17:32 |
| MangoFusion | noahpad looks interesting. though bulky | 17:33 |
| lardman | thanks | 17:33 |
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| lardman | jku: did you have any thoughts about the format of the 108byte blocks? | 17:42 |
| jku | nothing useful, the first byte is the sat number I guess, but anything else... | 17:43 |
| lardman | For my fix, gsp_last_saved_report says the following were in use: 01, 04, 11, 14; and these ones were presumably also visible: 17, 20, 23, 31, 13 | 17:43 |
| lardman | and the first bytes give me: 04, 11, 17, 23, 28 and lots of 0 of course | 17:43 |
| jku | half matching :) | 17:44 |
| lardman | yeah :) | 17:44 |
| lardman | well the almanac data may be retained, but I would expect to see all of the satellites in use in that set of data | 17:44 |
| lardman | but we don't | 17:44 |
| hrw | lardman: what about writing small app which connect to gps, get fix and then save all needed files? | 17:45 |
| lardman | needs more testing | 17:45 |
| jku | I've been trying to at least find GPS week number or other timestamp somewhere, but haven't succeeded even at that | 17:45 |
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| lardman | hrw: might be worth doing, and having a set delay between fixes to allow more satellites into view | 17:45 |
| hrw | lardman: should make gathering data easier | 17:46 |
| lardman | yeah | 17:46 |
| jku | the chip can handle at least 15 sats -- I know since gpsd starts complaining at that point | 17:46 |
| hrw | lardman: now I started maemo mapper, put n810 near window to get fix. then will have to close mapper, grab files... | 17:47 |
| lardman | no time now though, but I'll take my MATLAB/script & gps_last_saved_file reader with me | 17:47 |
| janoar | would you more upset if someone says nasty stuff loudly or in a low volume so you can only hear and others can't? | 17:48 |
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| lardman | jku: I thought that 12 was the max possible in view at any point on the Earth's surface...? | 17:49 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I made you a junior developer :P not sure what that does exactly | 17:49 |
| jku | yes, I think you're right, but devices seem to save the data... | 17:49 |
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| jku | N810 is not the only one I've seen do that. gpsd had a hard coded limit, but they had to raise that | 17:50 |
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| janoar | what would you do if you had to sleep on the street middle of a rich nighborhood for being homeless and no money? | 17:54 |
| lardman | sleep in a magic pyramid to make myself rich | 17:55 |
| Tak | what would you do if someone started asking pointless, hypothetical, offtopic questions in your channel? | 17:55 |
| lardman | isn't that what everyone would do? | 17:55 |
| lardman | Tak: probably reply with stupid answers | 17:55 |
| inz | Tak, I would concider digging my blessed +o boots of kicking up, but being too lazy to do it | 17:56 |
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| janoar | how do snap out of lazyness when i am sleepy and have to go a long way or walk / work? | 17:57 |
| Lynoure | Usually walking wakes me up quite well... | 17:57 |
| tony2001 | did anyone try to set up the VMWare SDK image on 64bit Linux host? | 17:57 |
| Lynoure | But, if you like your job, or need the money, that ought to be enough to motivate you :) | 17:58 |
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| pvanhoof | tko, I don't know who to ask .. where do I go if I want to lobby Maemo to include gio asap. Perhaps even a temporary standalone version (which I could port if necessary)? | 17:58 |
| pvanhoof | I want to start using it asap | 17:58 |
| pvanhoof | so if maemo would skip a glib version next time they upgrade their glib .. development of tinymail's new shiny api will be delayed by a full distro release | 17:59 |
| pvanhoof | s/skip/ decide to use an earlier version | 18:00 |
| pvanhoof | :-\ | 18:00 |
| Tak | I would also like to request a newer glib version | 18:00 |
| Tak | pvanhoof: I have it turned off in here, because infobot echoes me | 18:00 |
| pvanhoof | ok :) | 18:00 |
| Tak | ~lart myself | 18:01 |
| * infobot duct-tapes myself to the floor and drools on him | 18:01 | |
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| janoar | did you ever had a day where everyone was mean to you for months and ever years like 5 years everyday over and over? | 18:02 |
| inz | I find it much nicer to be able to use regexp substitute without any annoying bot interpreting it | 18:03 |
| inz | Everyone understands regexp ;) | 18:04 |
| Tak | :-P | 18:05 |
| Lynoure | janoar: I'd check the logic of the script... sounds like a faulty defined variable 'everyone'. The time handling also seems wonky. | 18:05 |
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| mwaldron | is kingston a good brand for a high performance sdhc card? | 18:08 |
| * SDuensin likes Kingston. | 18:08 | |
| mwaldron | newegg has patriot and kingston 4gb sdhc cards (class 6) | 18:09 |
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| zoran | never missed, even some of their newer were formatted as fat in 16 it | 18:09 |
| zoran | *bit | 18:09 |
| tony2001 | okay, running SDK on 64bit linux appears to be impossible.. =| | 18:10 |
| * hrw avoids kingston | 18:11 | |
| SDuensin | Why's that, hrw ? | 18:11 |
| mwaldron | any particular reason hrw? | 18:12 |
| lardman | Anyone know if GPS chips have fp units or are they fixed point? | 18:12 |
| hrw | it is hard to tell who made card - it can be toshiba, hitachi etc but sticker will tell 'kingston' | 18:12 |
| mwaldron | well, yeah | 18:12 |
| janoar | did you ever intelltion hurt someone or tried to becasue of your own mental illness or shortcoming? what did you do after? like you almost hit the guy or you wanted to really kill him/her and felt that you could and you would if he/she made the wrong move? | 18:12 |
| lardman | janoar: I'm getting that feeling about you | 18:13 |
| mwaldron | even sandisk has that problem. can get 2 cards same model that both id as sandisk and one will be 2x faster caust iw as made in a different plant | 18:13 |
| hrw | and I have 2 microsd kingston cards which do not work in one of my phones | 18:13 |
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| zoran | hrw, I know sellers that say "nokia and kingston are bad match" | 18:14 |
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| janoar | lardman which feeling sir? | 18:15 |
| |tbb| | yeah, ive managed to get injection to work with the wlan adapter | 18:15 |
| SDuensin | Actually, I have a 2GB MicroSD from Kingston in my 800 right now. | 18:15 |
| Tak | I have all kingston cards | 18:15 |
| hrw | zoran: its nokia - its fic-gta01 | 18:15 |
| zoran | k | 18:15 |
| zoran | I have all kingston and no complaints | 18:15 |
| hrw | its not nokia I meant | 18:15 |
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| zoran | hey, openmoko? | 18:16 |
| hrw | yes | 18:16 |
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| zoran | freerunner or neo? | 18:16 |
| hrw | gta01 is first version | 18:17 |
| zoran | have you made some review on the net? | 18:17 |
| lardman | janoar: oh, you're not a bot, in that case I'm feeling it even more | 18:17 |
| janoar | janoar mean an animal in my language | 18:17 |
| lardman | ;) | 18:17 |
| zoran | hrw, I'm wuite interested, but dunno where and how to start | 18:18 |
| zoran | *quite | 18:18 |
| janoar | janoar mean an animal in my language | 18:18 |
| zoran | hrw, I know: buy first | 18:18 |
| hrw | zoran: http://blog.haerwu.biz/ - I made some posts about it | 18:19 |
| zoran | k, gonna take a look | 18:20 |
| Lynoure | janoar: I think the channel would get bored if I jumped into that conversation, but I could talk about that in a /msg after I come back from a walk | 18:20 |
| janoar | Lynore people will be angry if you go in and out | 18:21 |
| janoar | Lynore people will be angry if you go in and out too much | 18:21 |
| hrw | 4/8 satelites and still 2d fix only | 18:21 |
| * Tak /ignore | 18:21 | |
| mwaldron | ordered 4gb kingston. tnx :) | 18:22 |
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| Lynoure | Tak: yes, maybe I should too. thanks for the advice. | 18:22 |
| * Tak shrugs | 18:22 | |
| janoar | why does people get angry if you go in and out too much? especiall yme i am brown and ugly + skinny. even my own family like sister and mother was upset all the time. and eventually called police on me for no reason but the ovious becasu ei went in and out too much and walk around the house too much | 18:23 |
| Nermal | offtopic ? | 18:24 |
| Jaffa | Spammer | 18:25 |
| Lynoure | konttori: I haven't tested your software yet, I'm not having luck finding suitable usb bits | 18:26 |
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| pH5 | lardman: is the powervr mbx (lite) an arm processor on its own at its core? | 18:27 |
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| pupnik | "t's rather easy to explain why gcc-4 may seem slower than gcc-3, and O3 slower than O2 on some CPUs: Cache size. gcc-4's optimizer is way better, really. Unfortunately, many optimizations increase code size, and this can be a significant amount. So for normal builds, the gain of much better CPU optimization can easily be killed by more cache trashing, especially on low-cache CPUs" | 18:44 |
| Tak | -Os | 18:44 |
| pupnik | what? | 18:44 |
| tony2001 | -Os Optimize for size. -Os enables all -O2 optimizations that do not typically increase code size. It also performs further optimizations | 18:45 |
| tony2001 | designed to reduce code size. | 18:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, thanks! Mind if I make an announcement on ITT? | 18:48 |
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| Navi | GeneralAntilles, jajajaja!!!111oneoneone | 18:49 |
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| lardman | pH5: I think so, yes | 18:54 |
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| pH5 | cool. the pvr.ko module from the 2430 sdk contains a whole lot of arm code (with dwarf debugging symbols!) that probably just gets uploaded to the mbx, because it vanishes when i strip the module (down to 60k). | 18:54 |
| lardman | pH5: ah, not necessarily an ARM processor, but certainly a processor | 18:54 |
| lardman | pH5: I wondered about the change in size | 18:55 |
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| lardman | seems odd that that code is contained in the kernel module though, rather than passed through the module from a binary blob? | 18:57 |
| pH5 | let's take apart the module and see. | 18:57 |
| pH5 | lardman: any idea where we could get the mbx (not lite) code from? are there flash images for some 2420 phones around? | 18:58 |
| pH5 | I guess the kernel running on the chip is probably different | 18:58 |
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| lardman | no, I've not seen any downloadable flash images, but with the recent releases for the N95 I wonder if there are some about now | 18:59 |
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| hrw | bye all | 18:59 |
| lardman | cu hrw | 19:00 |
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| EnigmaCurry | Anyone have a spare jaiku invite? | 19:01 |
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| lardman | pH5: the other option, is to get someone with a filesystem browser (assuming they exist) to take a look for the appropriate files on the device | 19:02 |
| pH5 | though they probably don't ship debugging symbols in production devices. | 19:06 |
| pH5 | why is there no 2420 sdk? | 19:07 |
| lardman | too old? | 19:07 |
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| |tbb| | anyone noticed that if you stay on a website and fill out a formular (on microb) the cursor leaves the input box if you using the dpad to go to the end or beginning on the input box, thats very bad because if u try to del the last typed characters with the backspace key, u may leave the whole page because backspace key for microb works like a back button | 19:13 |
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| hrw|gone | lardman: http://blog.haerwu.biz/download/gps/20080213-1817/ maybe will be useful for you - it has 2d or 3d fix (was floating) + screenshot of maemo mapper with ~time and position + list of satellites in view | 19:21 |
| lardman | thanks hrw|gone | 19:21 |
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| lardman | pH5: how useful do you think a mobile phone image/files would be? | 19:28 |
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| pH5 | lardman: no idea yet. I'll try to understand how pvr.ko loads the firmware code into mbx first. | 19:29 |
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| lardman | I don;t have a phone unfortunately, but there are freeware filebrowsers, so it should be possible to obtain the binaries (from the Z: drive) and then do something with them | 19:29 |
| lardman | there are presumably some Symbian tools to allow disassembly/strings/etc. | 19:30 |
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| pH5 | I don't have a 2420 phone with 3d driver either. | 19:32 |
| janoar | don't you look silly if you are getting bullied by others and they are just ignoring it? | 19:32 |
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| janoar | does bullies know that they are bullying? | 19:38 |
| Navi | Of course not | 19:38 |
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| lardman | pH5: The other option is the iPhone | 19:41 |
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| janoar | does getting bullied makes me vulnarable to other people who i don't like and weren't bullying me to think that i can be bullied now and they start disliking me and bully me too? | 19:43 |
| pH5 | lardman: unless there is some SoC specific register setup in the blob | 19:43 |
| pH5 | the iPhone has some samsung part, right? | 19:43 |
| lardman | Yeah, with a PowerVR MBX added on | 19:44 |
| glass | yeah some samm soc iirc | 19:44 |
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| lardman | bbiab, relocating to home | 19:46 |
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| Tak | crap, how do I get a stack trace for an arm binary? | 19:46 |
| janoar | how do i stand up to a bully? what does stand up mean? if you stand up can't you get hurt? | 19:47 |
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| glass | lardman|gone: getting files off from a n95 isn't really a problem | 19:49 |
| glass | lardman|gone: doing anything useful them yeah i'd imagine being very problematic | 19:49 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lol sure | 19:56 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: As soon as I fix the volume control beep, add some sort of options thing, and do some extensive code cleanup, i'll release a 1.0 :) | 19:58 |
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| rm_you | When I load a plugin, it runs its plugin_init() constructor function and does all the setup... do i need some sort of destructor function to free up all the memory i allocated / destroy all the widgets i created when it unloads? or does it do that automatically | 20:01 |
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| MangoFusion | hmm, anyone here happen to know which version of X is used in OS2008? | 20:04 |
| pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/x/xserver-kdrive/ | 20:07 |
| MangoFusion | ah i see | 20:07 |
| MangoFusion | thx | 20:07 |
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| pupnik | those are old btw | 20:07 |
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| * lcuk raises a beer glass to the sun. another nice day. more deluded animals thinking its spring | 20:17 | |
| lcuk | evening pup :) im goin playing in vmware now, i may be some time | 20:17 |
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| Zero_Dogg | is there any way to get the gtk2+hildon python bindings within scratchbook? | 20:23 |
| lmoura | Zero_Dogg, what do you mean? install them? | 20:25 |
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| Zero_Dogg | lmoura: yeah, can't find them in apt-cache in the default scratchbox | 20:26 |
| lmoura | Zero_Dogg, you need to enable the extras repository | 20:26 |
| Zero_Dogg | lmoura: aha, bah :) | 20:27 |
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| rm_you | Any idea how I make a plugin close itself (like if it detects a failure to allocate memory or somesuch)? return doesn't seem to work, and exit() gets me a ton of complaints from the compiler >_> | 20:32 |
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| lmoura | rm_you, is there any destroy function in the plugin api? | 20:36 |
| rm_you | not that i saw | 20:36 |
| rm_you | but i only REALLY investigated the sample stuff | 20:36 |
| lcuk | you are passing a parameter into exit() arent you? every example ive seen needs one | 20:36 |
| rm_you | yeah... and i think it works | 20:36 |
| rm_you | but it complains a lot | 20:36 |
| lcuk | whats the complaints? | 20:37 |
| rm_you | and in my experience, when the compiler complains, it's generally a good idea to listen | 20:37 |
| lcuk | like a woman | 20:37 |
| rm_you | advanced-backlight.c:84: warning: implicit declaration of function `exit' | 20:37 |
| Navi | Or at least pretend you're listening | 20:37 |
| rm_you | just that | 20:37 |
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| rm_you | it has ALWAYS done that to me when i use exit() | 20:38 |
| rm_you | but it has also always worked | 20:38 |
| Navi | Never does it for me. | 20:38 |
| rm_you | so | 20:38 |
| Navi | I always pass EXIT_SUCCESS or EXIT_FAILURE | 20:38 |
| rm_you | what's exit() part of? what include? | 20:38 |
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| Navi | stdlib | 20:38 |
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| MangoFusion | bah, my sneaky plan to use xrandr to rotate my N800's screen backfired. no randr extension. darnit. oh well ;) | 20:39 |
| lcuk | #include <stdlib.h> /* For exit to be declared */ | 20:39 |
| rm_you | eh, complains less with tha :P | 20:39 |
| rm_you | i wonder why it WORKS even without that tho <_< | 20:39 |
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| Navi | stdio has it's own declaration, I think. | 20:40 |
| Navi | improper, of course | 20:40 |
| lcuk | because you could call a function called int anything_in_rm_you_s_wildest_dreams() and the compiler will build it | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | however if it cant be linked then its big troublwe | 20:40 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: i mean, i've always gotten that warning, and it's always run and worked, and exited properly :P | 20:41 |
| Navi | MangoFusion, no xrandr extension? Sucks. | 20:41 |
| lcuk | because the linker is clever | 20:41 |
| lcuk | it takes the definition you used and happens to find a match, if it COULDNT find a match at linking stage then you would have a problem | 20:41 |
| Navi | an improper exit() is declared in stdio | 20:41 |
| Navi | (I think) | 20:42 |
| lcuk | anyway, stageleft.exit(1) | 20:42 |
| lcuk | back soon | 20:42 |
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| Navi | of course, it's always better to use the exit() in stdlib. | 20:43 |
| * lcuk kicks his vmware box and wireless network and internet connection sharing and ip address allocation scheme and throws it all away and becomes a monk | 20:43 | |
| Navi | yay | 20:43 |
| lcuk | did you know, a monk is a jedi without a lightsabre | 20:44 |
| lmoura | rm_you, I don't know if exit would work. AFAIK, all plugins belong to the same process. Wouldn't calling break stuff? | 20:44 |
| rm_you | maybe :/ | 20:44 |
| rm_you | i need to figure out how to unload it properly <_< | 20:45 |
| lcuk | but what happens if the unload code has an error and crashes? | 20:46 |
| pupnik | anybody from finland here? | 20:46 |
| * Navi wishes he could make stuff. | 20:46 | |
| pupnik | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2701 is this even remotely true? (sfw) | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Knowing the Soviet army during WWII, probably. | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look at their losses taking Berlin. | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | That was fighting old men and children. | 20:47 |
| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War | 20:47 |
| lcuk | yes it is | 20:48 |
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| MangoFusion | anyone here successfully cloned their OS to an SD card? | 20:56 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=141584 | 21:01 |
| rm_you | MangoFusion: johnx has debian booting from an SD card :P | 21:01 |
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| MangoFusion | i've got it booting from sd fine. just that the mounting of the fat partition on the internet card seems weird, and the file manager thinks its corrupt | 21:02 |
| Tak | rm_you: will that work on os2007? | 21:02 |
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| rm_you | Tak: well.... i'm not certain... :/ you could try compiling it | 21:03 |
| Tak | hah | 21:03 |
| rm_you | Tak: you using OS2007 on an n770? | 21:03 |
| MangoFusion | i.e. i can mount it from commandline with mount over the external card (both end up being mounted on /media/mmc1) | 21:03 |
| Tak | yes | 21:03 |
| MangoFusion | on my N800 btw | 21:03 |
| rm_you | only the n800/n810 support those backlight levels in hardware :( | 21:03 |
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| rm_you | see http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ | 21:04 |
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| rm_you | Tak: wait... i may be wrong | 21:05 |
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| rm_you | re-reading it currently :P | 21:05 |
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| rm_you | Tak: if you open a terminal as root and do: "chroot /mnt/initfs/ dsmetest -l #" where # is some number between 1 and 127 | 21:07 |
| rm_you | if the brightness level changes correctly, then my program will work. | 21:08 |
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| alterego | It'd be nice if there's an accelerometer in the N810. | 21:26 |
| alterego | Maybe that could be a possible easter egg :D | 21:26 |
| Cptnodegard | throw it into the wall and see :3 | 21:27 |
| alterego | Erm .. Not quite what I had in mind :P | 21:27 |
| alterego | I was thinking of one of those marble puzzles. Where you have to guide a marble through a maze and into a hole. | 21:27 |
| lcuk | wiimote + duct tape = instant fun | 21:28 |
| michele_ | neverball! | 21:28 |
| michele_ | lcuk: even just the nunchuck would be enough | 21:29 |
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| robtaylor | alterego: http://www.dimensionengineering.com/DE-ACCM3D.htm | 21:30 |
| lcuk | would be simpler to get a small usb powered device - surely now they should be no bigger than a plug | 21:30 |
| robtaylor | + some hacking ;) | 21:30 |
| dtahtbot` | robtaylor: Error: "some" is not a valid command. | 21:30 |
| robtaylor | dtahtbot`: you're stupid | 21:30 |
| dtahtbot` | robtaylor: Error: "you're" is not a valid command. | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | michele_, you still need a Wiimote with the nunchuck. | 21:30 |
| * corona . o O ( ... ) | 21:30 | |
| alterego | The nunchuck has a accelerometer, you don't strictly need the remote for that .. | 21:31 |
| lcuk | depends if you are gonna dremel the sensor out of it and glue it onto 810 | 21:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | You gotta interface to it and power it. | 21:32 |
| lcuk | usb supplies 5v 100ma | 21:32 |
| robtaylor | lcuk: not on an n810 it doesn't | 21:32 |
| rm_you | not from the n800 it doesn't >_> | 21:32 |
| rm_you | lol jinx | 21:32 |
| michele_ | GeneralAntilles: you don't http://www.windmeadow.com/node/42 | 21:33 |
| robtaylor | rm_you: heh | 21:33 |
| lcuk | how do i run my keyboard then? 100ma is the startup power, 500ma is "full" usb power | 21:33 |
| michele_ | the arduino pins provide 20mA | 21:33 |
| rm_you | lcuk: your keyboard lies to you? >_> | 21:33 |
| lcuk | all USB OTG devices must supply enough power to get a device going, its just not usually enough to run the stuff | 21:33 |
| michele_ | and that's enough | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, yeah, michele_, but the straight Wiimote is still a lot easier. :P | 21:33 |
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| michele_ | GeneralAntilles: I'm not sure | 21:34 |
| lcuk | do they make wonky wiimotes? | 21:34 |
| robtaylor | lcuk: ah, good point | 21:34 |
| lcuk | michele, of course it would be simpler cos you just use bluetooth | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk is right 100mA. | 21:34 |
| robtaylor | though rm_you is right, as n800 doesnt do OTG | 21:34 |
| michele_ | lcuk: oh.. you have a point | 21:34 |
| rm_you | well, it does sorta | 21:35 |
| lcuk | n800 with os2008 isnt identical hardware wise? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | i thought it was | 21:35 |
| rm_you | but it isn't REALLY designed to | 21:35 |
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| rm_you | it CAN do OTG with a kernel hack and some other stuff | 21:35 |
| SDuensin | OTG? | 21:35 |
| rm_you | but it wasn't really designed for it | 21:35 |
| robtaylor | *nod* | 21:35 |
| lcuk | USB OTG = adjusted "normal" mode usb where to client devices can talk and one decides to be the master without a full system | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think there's any difference in the USB setup between the N810 and the N800 aside from the port. | 21:36 |
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| SDuensin | Interesting. | 21:36 |
| lcuk | so an OTG camera can talk to an OTG printer | 21:36 |
| lcuk | without a computer | 21:36 |
| lcuk | and lots of other nice things :) (like using 810 with usb devices) | 21:36 |
| rschuster | I have an gtk-application that should run on a maemo-based device and allocates an area which is too big for the screen (720,420) on n800 | 21:37 |
| rschuster | this page[0] says: "The area left for the application is 672×396 pixels." | 21:37 |
| rschuster | how do I get the size/extents of the "skin graphic area"? | 21:37 |
| rschuster | [0] -http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Application_Development/Chapter_01_GTK_Basics.html | 21:37 |
| rschuster | programmatically :) | 21:37 |
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| lcuk | 800-672 | 21:37 |
| lcuk | ;) | 21:37 |
| rschuster | lcuk: great, thats it. ;) | 21:37 |
| lcuk | a=(800-672) | 21:38 |
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| rschuster | lcuk: looks future proof as 640kb is enough for everyone :) | 21:38 |
| lcuk | when i see a futureproof theme on ANY system i will come back and buy you a beer ;) | 21:38 |
| lcuk | code for today and dont worry about tomorrow | 21:39 |
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| lcuk | if you design it too well when will you get repeat sales? | 21:39 |
| Tak | rm_you: "brightness reqyest sent!" | 21:40 |
| Tak | ...although the brightness didn't appear to actually change... | 21:40 |
| rm_you | Tak: hrm... | 21:40 |
| rm_you | Tak: try with a few radically different numbers <_< | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was under the impression that OS2007 didn't have the interface for changing the brightness without a modified kernel. | 21:41 |
| robtaylor | Tak: what are you trying to do, ooi? | 21:41 |
| Tak | I'm at the lowest brightness; I entered 127 | 21:41 |
| keesj | I think there where only 15 levels or so | 21:42 |
| Tak | robtaylor: determine whether rm_you's display control applet will work on os2007he | 21:42 |
| keesj | but again, I think , therfore I am ......... a human | 21:42 |
| * lcuk demands keesj takes a turing test | 21:43 | |
| Tak | hmm, doesn't build without modification because of the hildon api break | 21:44 |
| rm_you | Tak: adv-backlight? | 21:44 |
| rm_you | :/ | 21:44 |
| Tak | yeah | 21:44 |
| robtaylor | Tak: on OS2007 you should just be able to poke HAL | 21:44 |
| rm_you | sad | 21:44 |
| keesj | :p | 21:45 |
| Tak | if I get time to port it, I'll submit a patch ;-) | 21:45 |
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| rm_you | kk :) | 21:45 |
| Tak | ~lart HAL | 21:45 |
| * infobot does a little 'dpkg -P HAL' action | 21:45 | |
| rm_you | i can already detect platform | 21:45 |
| rm_you | so i can easily integrate that | 21:45 |
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| robtaylor | mm, doh, i'm getting my years muddled | 21:45 |
| lcuk | rm_you, may be an idea to look directly at the framebuffer: omapfb_show_bklight_level and static ssize_t omapfb_store_bklight_level | 21:46 |
| rm_you | lcuk: hrm | 21:46 |
| lcuk | different approach | 21:46 |
| rm_you | can i do that!? :P | 21:46 |
| rm_you | that would be much better if possible, imo | 21:46 |
| lcuk | ive been looking around there myself at other sections and noted them, i thought "hmmmmm rm has been workin with that" ... | 21:46 |
| rm_you | heh well | 21:47 |
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| rm_you | what API can i find those in? | 21:47 |
| lcuk | the omapfb of the kernel but so far things work in user space if i compile them up, it might not work at all but i saw the fns | 21:47 |
| lcuk | (this isnt file name, but was automatically given when i extracted from web interface) drivers-video-omap-omapfb_main.c | 21:48 |
| rm_you | hrm | 21:48 |
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| rm_you | err | 21:51 |
| rm_you | so what would i include / how would i run those functions / where are they documented? | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | so far, the kitchen sink / with ninja calls / i think there might be a readme somewhere. im not sure yet. the omapfb is the interface to the direct hardware, stick with the documented api for now until you run up against a brick wall | 21:54 |
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| Jaffa | re | 21:57 |
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| SDuensin | Jaffa! Kree! | 21:57 |
| rm_you | lol | 21:57 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: does that ever get old? :P | 21:57 |
| * SDuensin is sorry. He's new here. | 21:58 | |
| Jaffa | rm_you: nah. explaining the nick predates SG1 does though, so won't this time ;-) | 21:58 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: how's the media encoder thing going? :P | 21:58 |
| rm_you | still updating that? | 21:58 |
| Jaffa | SDuensin: no probs, always nice to get a welcome | 21:58 |
| rm_you | been distracted with my own projects recently, haven't been following it | 21:58 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: yeah, mediaserv needs a new release, but tablet-encode's got a shiny GUI (well, non-shiny but GUI) on Linux too | 21:59 |
| pupnik | lcuk: more performance goodness! drawing with dsp, codecs via dsp, midi synth via dsp, faster blitting with sdl! :) | 21:59 |
| rm_you | :P | 21:59 |
| * pupnik plays the internationale | 21:59 | |
| lcuk | shit yer! | 21:59 |
| rm_you | brb | 21:59 |
| * Jaffa wonders if anyone's going to JavaOne in May but hasn't booked yet. I've got a refer-a-friend code begging to be used ;-) | 22:00 | |
| lcuk | JaffaOne? | 22:00 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: It'd be a remarkably small, and boring, conference! | 22:01 |
| lcuk | lol, but you could get some big speakers | 22:02 |
| * Jaffa 's got some which are small and powerful in his lounge: size doesn't matter ;-) | 22:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:03 |
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| rm_you | Jaffa: where is it? :P | 22:10 |
| keesj | cool http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Technology_Overview/images/intro_sw_stack.png | 22:11 |
| * lcuk is currently somewhere in the kernel drowning | 22:12 | |
| Jaffa | rm_you: San Francisco. | 22:13 |
| lcuk | will you pay travel expenses? | 22:13 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: hrm... when in May? :P | 22:13 |
| Tama^2 | Hello folks | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: 6th - 9th. | 22:14 |
| rm_you | hrm | 22:14 |
| * Jaffa is arriving on the Sunday to ensure plenty of sight-seeing | 22:14 | |
| rm_you | hrm | 22:16 |
| rm_you | i wonder what my schedule is like | 22:16 |
| rm_you | I may have someone to stay with in SF if i went :P | 22:16 |
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| kikka | Hello! | 22:16 |
| rm_you | hello kikka :) | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | when i scp from my vmware box to my 810 it always asks me for my password on 810, how can i get it stored? | 22:19 |
| lcuk | "scp filename root@10.0.0.2:/media/mmc2/filename" | 22:20 |
| alterego | lcuk, use ssh keys. | 22:20 |
| lcuk | first time it gave authentication things, talking about RSA fingerprints etc, and did i want to save it | 22:20 |
| alterego | That's normal, every SSH server has it's own RSA/DSA key depending on what version of the SSH protocol is being used. | 22:21 |
| lcuk | i know these keys exist, but where do i get one from and where do i put it? | 22:21 |
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| lcuk | its got the RSA fingerprint for the device | 22:21 |
| rm_you | ssh-keygen -t dsa | 22:21 |
| rm_you | i think | 22:21 |
| alterego | You need to create a private and public key pair, copy the public key to the node you wish to access and the private key on the machine you're talking from. | 22:21 |
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| rm_you | and then throw ~/.ssh/dsa_key.pub into the other machine's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 | 22:22 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 22:22 |
| rm_you | sec, let me give you a link that i always use | 22:22 |
| lcuk | until then i will be asked password every time with no way round | 22:22 |
| lcuk | ok | 22:22 |
| alterego | I use: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh 10.0.0.2 sh -c "cat | /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys" | 22:22 |
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| kikka | Can I run Skype on my n770? | 22:23 |
| alterego | Erm .. | 22:23 |
| lcuk | would this work within the vmware/scratchbox environment | 22:23 |
| alterego | I use: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh 10.0.0.2 sh -c "cat >> /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys" | 22:23 |
| alterego | Shouldn't be a pipe from that cat to the file :D | 22:23 |
| lcuk | its ok, i couldnt do a pipe on my 810 anyway | 22:23 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~bmassing/Classes/CS3366_2008spring/Notes/mpi-howto/index.html | 22:23 |
| rm_you | shows how to do it | 22:24 |
| rm_you | ignore all the stuff about MPI :) | 22:24 |
| |tbb| | rm_you: abl well done! | 22:24 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: :P thanks | 22:25 |
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| lcuk_2 | is windows a norty word? | 22:25 |
| |tbb| | now you have to combine it with backlight of keyboard ;) | 22:25 |
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| alterego | ls | 22:25 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: lol, if i knew how to do that :) | 22:26 |
| alterego | You can't do a pipe? It's in the special symbols panel .. | 22:26 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: don't even have access to an n810 for testing | 22:26 |
| lcuk_2 | it never shows up by default and i hate the way it flickers my windows when it does finally arrive | 22:26 |
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| |tbb| | if i install python runtime does it run any daemon which cost me memory of my tablet while no python application running? | 22:31 |
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| lmoura | |tbb|, no, it doesn't | 22:33 |
| lmoura | it's only a meta-package | 22:33 |
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| |tbb| | k thx | 22:35 |
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| lardman_ | pH5: right, I've finally got the code in front of me | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish they had benchmarks for mobile processors like they do for PCs. | 22:39 |
| lardman_ | pH5: why do you think that there is code being uploaded? Could it not just be debugging info for the kernel module itself? Or do you think it's too much (diff between stripped & unstripped)? | 22:39 |
| lardman_ | GeneralAntilles: nbench? | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, like I can get on google with a processor model and get all sorts of charts and graphs (mostly meaningless, but still). | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't get the same in the mobile world. | 22:40 |
| lardman_ | ah, well you can for a few select models... | 22:40 |
| * lardman_ looks for the benchmark info from the openmoko list | 22:41 | |
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| pH5 | lardman_: I'm absolutely sure that there is ARM code not in .text etc. sections that is stripped away. | 22:43 |
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| pH5 | that this code is uploaded to the mbx is an assumption so far, but I dare say one that would make sense. | 22:43 |
| lardman_ | pH5: ok, I was just wondering | 22:44 |
| lardman_ | ~lart Google for being very very slow | 22:44 |
| * infobot slaps Google around with a large trout for being very very slow | 22:44 | |
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| pH5 | this whole omap memory access thing is highly confusing to me. | 22:45 |
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| |tbb| | anyone using the youtube-viewer which was posted today in #maemo | 22:45 |
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| lardman_ | GeneralAntilles: http://hbmobile.org/wiki/index.php?title=Application_Processor_Benchmarks sorry for the delay, took some searching | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, sweet. Thanks, lardman_. | 22:46 |
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| lardman_ | GeneralAntilles: see if it's the kind of thing you're after; doesn't do graphics speed mind you | 22:47 |
| |tbb| | if so, do i have to install the gstreamer packages which on inz, mirror also? | 22:47 |
| lardman_ | pH5: the whole lot was quite confusing; I started working through it from init_module | 22:47 |
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| lardman_ | pH5: but it looks like the structure has been flattened, either on purpose or by the compiler | 22:48 |
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| lardman_ | that list of source files looks good | 22:49 |
| lardman_ | mbxinit.c | 22:49 |
| lardman_ | if only | 22:49 |
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| pH5 | lardman_: how do we go about analyzing this best? I have started writing down notes and some equivalent C code for select functions, but even the measly 60k of remaining linux module are quite a bit of work to reverse. | 22:54 |
| pH5 | maybe I should start to make a list of registers accessed. | 22:54 |
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| lardman_ | pH5: I started, but eventually one gets to a huge function into which the code jumpt in and out | 22:55 |
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| lardman_ | I suppose if it's all reveresed someone could make sense of it, but it was bloody confusing | 22:55 |
| pH5 | lardman_: ah, welcome to the world of compiler optimization :) | 22:55 |
| pH5 | lardman_: maybe we should make a list of functions and share notes to avoid duplicated work | 22:56 |
| lardman_ | :) yes, well I'm pretty new to all this, but it's an interesting topic so am keen to learn :) | 22:56 |
| lardman_ | the other problem with this 'optimised' code is that it's going to be quite hard to work out the main parts without doing the whole lot | 22:57 |
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| lcuk_3 | we should be looking for code patterns | 22:58 |
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| lcuk_3 | which os is this module for? | 22:58 |
| lardman_ | Linux 2.6.14 iirc | 22:58 |
| lcuk_3 | is this the old powervr driver for the agp cards? | 22:59 |
| sxpert_ | that's *oooold* | 22:59 |
| pH5 | lcuk_3: 2.6.14.7-omap2 ARMv6 gcc-3.4 | 22:59 |
| lcuk_3 | or deffo for the proper mbx on arm | 22:59 |
| lcuk_3 | oooooooh | 22:59 |
| pH5 | lcuk_3: from the omap2430 powervr mbx lite sdk | 22:59 |
| lardman_ | but the code does mention both mbx and mbxlite, and the omap2420 sdk link pointed to this code, so there is a chance it's common | 23:00 |
| lcuk_3 | and its just a blob | 23:00 |
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| lardman_ | it's a kenel module | 23:00 |
| lardman_ | kernel even | 23:00 |
| pH5 | including a lot of debugging symbols, so disassembling works quite nicely and all the global variable names are still there. | 23:00 |
| lcuk_3 | whats the exporttable like? | 23:01 |
| lardman_ | 220 functions | 23:02 |
| lardman_ | bbiab | 23:02 |
| lcuk_3 | k | 23:02 |
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| rm_you | lcuk_3: so many clones :P | 23:02 |
| lcuk_3 | cant keep em away | 23:02 |
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| lcuk_3 | its either a hacker on my machine or ntl are screwing up again | 23:03 |
| * lcuk_3 preloads "hot babes" folder with goatse just in case | 23:03 | |
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| lcuk_3 | ph, i might want a looksie at that in a few days if you dont mind. but first i must find out other things | 23:05 |
| unique311_ | one more again, anyone got a wiimote to pair with the tablet? | 23:05 |
| lcuk_3 | unique311_, doesnt http://pyaxelwii.garage.maemo.org/ handle that lot already? | 23:06 |
| unique311_ | pyaxelwii doesn't seem to want to pick up my wiimote | 23:06 |
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| unique311_ | cannot concatenate 'str' and 'NoneType' objects | 23:07 |
| unique311_ | from the terminal when i run pyaxelwii | 23:07 |
| Navi | pyaxelwii? | 23:08 |
| rm_you | unique311_: i just dealt with that error a lot in something else i'm working on. maybe I could take a look and tell you what might be causing that. did it tell you which lines? | 23:08 |
| unique311_ | no lines | 23:08 |
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| unique311_ | switchonbt should add this line to etc/sudoers ---> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/hciconfig hci0 up' | 23:09 |
| unique311_ | but /usr/sbin/hciconfig is no where to be found | 23:10 |
| lcuk_3 | have you installed bluez stuff? | 23:11 |
| unique311_ | bluez-utils-test: Depends: bluez-utils (= 3.20-0osso2) but 3.22-0osso2 is to be installed | 23:12 |
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| cyberholic | Hello everyone! | 23:12 |
| cyberholic | Good night i mean :) | 23:12 |
| unique311_ | i think my repos are all screwed. | 23:12 |
| unique311_ | bluez-utils is installed | 23:13 |
| jku | unique311_, chinook may have different versions than OS2008 | 23:13 |
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| cyberholic | Hey to everyone: i have just finished the second issue of the ATARASHI ezine for the maemo plattform... who wants to see it!? | 23:13 |
| jku | not sure if that's the problem here | 23:13 |
| cyberholic | Can i post the link in here so that you guys can test it out!? | 23:13 |
| unique311_ | jku, chinook is not os2008? | 23:13 |
| jku | chinook meaning dev environment, OS2008 meaning what you have on device | 23:14 |
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| cyberholic | Who wants to test out the new atarashi maemo ezine!? | 23:15 |
| cyberholic | It is only 6 MB big | 23:15 |
| cyberholic | :( ... no so much enthusiasm people! .lol. | 23:16 |
| cyberholic | jku... would you like to test it out? | 23:17 |
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| lcuk_3 | holy smoke! | 23:18 |
| cyberholic | lcuk: lol... what happend? | 23:18 |
| lcuk_3 | make and deploy in one script, can i run as well? | 23:18 |
| jku | cyberholic, post the link | 23:18 |
| lcuk_3 | i make in scratchbox and scp over to device, can i run it too? | 23:18 |
| lcuk_3 | with 1 single small well defined shell script? | 23:19 |
| cyberholic | jku: thanks a lot - maybe you or someone else could tell me the best way to distribute it easier as download. I thought about a .deb file but do not know yet how to make that..... | 23:19 |
| cyberholic | the link is http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi | 23:19 |
| cyberholic | Would be great if you could tell me also if the finger-sliding solution works fine with you.... | 23:21 |
| jku | a magazine as a .deb? sounds likea a bad idea | 23:21 |
| glass | diskmag | 23:21 |
| glass | does it have muzakkk?-) | 23:21 |
| cyberholic | i know, but if i offer the .swf file, the browser opens it on my maemo.... glass: not yet :) | 23:22 |
| jku | I'm not on the tablet ATM, so might not be a good tester | 23:22 |
| jku | cyberholic, what's wrong with that? | 23:22 |
| glass | seems like flash | 23:22 |
| cyberholic | jku: as it is made with flash you can downlad and test it on your pc browser | 23:22 |
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| glass | jku: why not just link the flash direct on the page, or at least have a link | 23:22 |
| jku | exactly | 23:22 |
| glass | so a link to the page to a file tha returns with right mimetypes would be nice | 23:23 |
| cyberholic | jku: the problem is that i want to offer it as download, so that people can download it and read it while offline. but if they click the SWF file, the browser opens. So i had to choose the complicated way that you must rename the file.... the reason is that i want to offer it as download, as upcoming issue shall have video and musik and each issue could get nearly 20 mbs and more | 23:23 |
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| glass | cyberholic: still, having the option wouldn't be too bad | 23:24 |
| glass | extra line to the page | 23:24 |
| jku | cyberholic, flash == online content, I think you just need to deal with that or change your delivery format | 23:25 |
| lcuk_3 | nahhh, its the maemo way ;) he wants a job at nokia so is giving us example hurdles | 23:25 |
| jku | as a user I'm not going to start renaming files to read a online mag | 23:26 |
| cyberholic | glass: yeah... you are right. unfortunately the flash preloader does not work yet correctly so that people would not see the process of loading. If a lot of maemo users like the ezine, i will continue it and put more work into it. at the moment i am just testing out how the usage is working like. | 23:26 |
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| cyberholic | lcuk: lol. nah. i do not want a job at nokia, because they would never ever allow me to develop my ideas :) | 23:26 |
| lcuk_3 | what happened to ep1? | 23:27 |
| cyberholic | jku: you are totally correct. that is why i would like to deal with some kind of "installer" solution so that a "usual" user that is not into *nix, debian or whatever can easily install the ezine. | 23:27 |
| glass | flash isn't that bad for offline mag like things | 23:27 |
| glass | but downloading like that and renaming is a pain | 23:27 |
| glass | if you had a proper app that would update the mag whenever in wifi area or such | 23:28 |
| glass | that would be nice | 23:28 |
| lcuk_3 | "trojan" | 23:28 |
| lcuk_3 | it would have to be tightened up pretty hard | 23:28 |
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| lcuk_3 | cyberholic, i like the page flipping, im running on my desktop and with mouse and it does feel good - you are an iphone fan | 23:31 |
| jku | lcuk_3, OTOH, as a non-iphone-user I had to learn a new UI to read it | 23:31 |
| lcuk_3 | same here | 23:31 |
| lcuk_3 | but it feels nice | 23:31 |
| lcuk_3 | with mouse anyway | 23:31 |
| lcuk_3 | i dont like the dropdown menu thing from top i couldnt get back to page i was at | 23:32 |
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| elb | cyberholic: if you want people to be able to download it, all you have to do is bind swf to application/octet-stream in your .htaccess | 23:32 |
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| elb | (unless the flash plugin is even more broken than I would suspect) | 23:32 |
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| cyberholic5356 | back again... i was for some reason kicked :( | 23:33 |
| elb | cyberholic: if you want people to be able to download it, all you have to do is bind swf to application/octet-stream in your .htaccess | 23:33 |
| elb | (unless the flash plugin is even more broken than I would suspect) | 23:33 |
| lcuk_3 | cyberholic, i like the page flipping, im running on my desktop and with mouse and it does feel good - you are an iphone fan | 23:33 |
| lcuk_3 | i dont like the dropdown menu thing from top i couldnt get back to page i was at | 23:33 |
| cyberholic5356 | ok. i know how to make the htaccess.... is that the only line that must fit in there!? | 23:33 |
| lcuk_3 | i thought close would close the lot so i clicked content | 23:34 |
| elb | and atarashii has two i's | 23:34 |
| elb | and no stress | 23:34 |
| cyberholic5356 | lcuk: thanks a lot. nah... i am not realy an iphone fan but the first issue with the "real flippingpage" effect took too much power out of the maemos heart :) so i had to find an other solution and think that i found it with this sliding..... | 23:35 |
| lcuk_3 | cyberholic, basic thing here, you have a decent idea for layout, but you are missing out on so much, build your site up, show maemo tech demos play around: PUT OYR EZINE ONLINE and link with google adwords - every page should be sponsored by bloody google, you are missing out on a fortune | 23:35 |
| cyberholic5356 | alb: i know :) but i was afraid that everyon not knowing that would think of it beeing a WII ezine by nintendo ;( | 23:35 |
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| lcuk_3 | it looks like you are a google employee - every page has their name on it | 23:36 |
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| cyberholic5356 | lcuk: i know... i was producing a sports ezine for nearly 12 months with a friend and all we had was not a cent of income but thousands of hours of work :( ... if you want to, you can see it at http://beta.endorphinum.de | 23:36 |
| elb | なるほど | 23:36 |
| lcuk_3 | (and why cant i even click link to open a popup with search results? | 23:36 |
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| cyberholic5356 | i am working on that! | 23:37 |
| cyberholic5356 | do you think that google thing is ok or shall i put it without the links? | 23:37 |
| lcuk_3 | i expect to be able to click on words if they tell me to google them, especially on a tablet | 23:38 |
| lcuk_3 | especially with a swf web application (*even if it might be offline) | 23:38 |
| cyberholic5356 | correct! i hope i can manage that without disturbing the sliding-script | 23:38 |
| lcuk_3 | at the very least you should allow us to copy text of them | 23:38 |
| MangoFusion | bah, make sports blog with good content | 23:38 |
| MangoFusion | i bet that would get viewers | 23:38 |
| cyberholic5356 | mango: what do you mean? | 23:38 |
| cyberholic5356 | ah, sure, but that is not very unique :)... have you opened the Beta-Sway ezine? You won`t find another sports magazine like that out there! | 23:39 |
| lcuk_3 | also, if you shrink the browser window to 800x<480 as you near 0 height you can see infinite pages! | 23:39 |
| * lcuk_3 speed reads | 23:39 | |
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| MangoFusion | i'm just thinking with a blog readers can easily plonk it in an RSS reader and not have to remember to visit the site every X days for an update ;) | 23:40 |
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| cyberholic5356 | mango: that is correct but our aim was to "slow" down the usual sports-surfer. That is why there is also the "real flipping page effect" - that is very user unfriendly but brings more the feeling of reading and relaxing into it. | 23:42 |
| edistar | whats the n810 keyboard like? | 23:42 |
| glass | cyberholic: who wantst to slow down though.. | 23:42 |
| cyberholic5356 | me :) | 23:43 |
| elb | edistar: you'll have to be more specific | 23:43 |
| edistar | cyberholic5356: whats your ezine about? | 23:43 |
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| cyberholic5356 | edistar: wich one do you mean? Beta-Sway is for urban sports athletes like runners, cyclists etc. And atarashi i sooner or later want to make as a monthly maemo ezine that you can download. | 23:44 |
| edistar | elb: can you type fast, are the keys nice to touch or do the wobble, do they always react etc | 23:44 |
| lcuk_3 | why would a call to getenv(...) fail when i run a command with root ssh vs the same command run with root putty? | 23:45 |
| elb | typing fast is ... relative; the keys feel nice to me, and they have reasonable feedback; they always react | 23:45 |
| edistar | cyberholic5356: good luck:) if I remember I'll read it too | 23:45 |
| edistar | elb: thx | 23:45 |
| cyberholic5356 | edistar: thanks. the second issue is just online since a few hours. | 23:45 |
| elb | the key quality is very mobile-phone-like, but it's good quality mobile phone key | 23:46 |
| elb | (better than my wife's nokia phone ;-)) | 23:46 |
| edistar | cyberholic5356: where to get the software and mag? | 23:46 |
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| cyberholic5356 | edistar: you do not need a software. the mag is viewable at http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi | 23:47 |
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| indolent | hi people is there a way to stop n800 from turning off the wlan device if it is not associated with any Access point. I am using iwlist to scan the wifi channel, however i figured out that it starts to fail when association with AP is lost . | 23:51 |
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| indolent | and iwconfig showed that device is powered down | 23:52 |
| jku | indolent, yeah I had the same problem | 23:53 |
| jku | I scan with my own code, and there I just reinitialize the interface whenever scanning fails | 23:54 |
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| indolent | jku, how do you reinitialize? | 23:54 |
| jku | basically set flags |= (IFF_UP | IFF_RUNNING) | 23:54 |
| cyberholic5356 | jku... do you have an example for the "force download"? i just developed the htaccess file but it does not work.. i googled now and saw that i can even add it as "type" in an a href but both ways do not work.... can you help me? | 23:55 |
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| jku | if that says anything to you... | 23:55 |
| jku | cyberholic5356, sorry I haven't been following that discussion. Maybe you're thinking of someone else? | 23:55 |
| cyberholic5356 | oh sorry :( *shame on me* | 23:56 |
| indolent | jku, where do you set these flags . sry i am not so familiar with n800 programming | 23:56 |
| jku | indolent, I'd guess that restarting iwlist scan would do the trick? | 23:56 |
| leif__ | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv6l; fi-FI; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20080206 Firefox/3.0a1 Tablet browser 0.2.9 RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_0.2008.06-10 | 23:56 |
| leif__ | (seen in my access_log for synthesize.us) | 23:57 |
| jku | leif__, :) | 23:57 |
| leif__ | also an en-GB version | 23:57 |
| indolent | jku: no. once the device is powered off, iwlist starts to complain that no device found | 23:57 |
| leif__ | both appear to have installed the lcars theme... i wonder if it works in diablo :) | 23:57 |
| leif__ | anything known about RX-48 yet? | 23:58 |
| jku | indolent so scanning doesn't work if you're disconnected? | 23:58 |
| jku | doesn't work at all? | 23:58 |
| indolent | jku: yes . | 23:58 |
| jku | oh, ok. then iwlist scan does something different from what I do | 23:58 |
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| indolent | jku, when i get disconnected from an AP scanning fails | 23:58 |
| jku | indolent, that's sort of expected: someone shuts down the interface | 23:59 |
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