IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-02-12

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Fang64indeed problems00:00
edistarnobody has any idea how to kill the ui?00:01
konttoriedistar: what ui?00:01
Fang64ps -A find the pid and kill it as root?00:01
edistarkonttori: the maemo ui00:01
edistarFang64: it restarts automatically again then00:01
GeneralAntillesIt never did anything to you.00:01
Fang64hehe he's angry at it00:02
konttorikill the watchdog?00:02
edistarFang64: /usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop00:02
edistarkonttori: and that is?00:02
GeneralAntillesI don't think the watchdog keeps matchbox alive.00:02
konttoriGo to RD mode (If I remember correctly, it'll shut down some watchdog activities)00:02
* GeneralAntilles could very well be wrong, though.00:02
GeneralAntillesIt's actually an rd-flag.00:03
GeneralAntillesSo, enable RD mode then add the no-watchdog flags.00:03
edistarkonttori: how do I get into that RD mode again?00:03
konttoriuse the linux flasher00:03
edistarand then?00:03
konttoriset the rd flag with the flasher00:03
GeneralAntillesflasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode00:04
GeneralAntillesflasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=<flags>00:04
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GeneralAntillesThen -R it.00:04
edistarGeneralAntilles: and this flag would be no-watchdog? ;)00:04
GeneralAntillesflasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags to show the flags00:05
* Jaffa yawns00:05
GeneralAntillesThere are a couple.00:05
GeneralAntillesNot sure which one/if any of them will actually keep matchbox from relaunching.00:05
edistarGeneralAntilles: ok, thx00:05
GeneralAntillesI don't think it's one of the hardware watchdogs00:05
GeneralAntillesbut I don't recall.00:05
konttoriwell, depends on what you try to do, but if you want to just kill the desktop, you should be able to do that even while matchbox is still running00:06
edistarkonttori: I'd ideally want to kill xserver00:06
konttoriperhaps your best shot is to install the kde version00:06
konttorijust an idea. I really don't know what you try to do. will you shed any light?00:07
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indolentanybody knows how to scan the wifi channel using the command line ?00:11
edistarindolent: iflist scan00:12
edistarindolent: iwlist00:12
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indolentthanks edistar but i am using n800 and the iwlist scan is not compatible from the wirelesstools00:13
edistarindolent: oh, bad luck00:13
indolenti tried using them non the less but the scanning fails after couple of runs00:14
indolentsry  s/non/none00:14
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edistarbtw, thx GeneralAntilles! it works now, I can kill anything I want ;)00:14
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GeneralAntillesWill his bloodlust ever be sated?00:15
edistarGeneralAntilles: different question, do you know how I get the ecore/evas/edje packages for fb?00:16
GeneralAntillesCheck gronmayer?00:17
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* Jaffa can recommend a spell at to really appreciate how worse ITT could be (or where it's going)00:28
GeneralAntilles^ Yeah, that last part.00:28
edistarbtw, is there any disadvantage of running maemo in RD mode?00:29
Jaffa for example00:29
GeneralAntillesedistar, supposedly maybe.00:30
Jaffaedistar: there used to be no delay from touching the power button to it turning on; so if you had it switched off in a bag, you couldn't often come back to it booted up00:30
GeneralAntillesPractically, doesn't seem like it.00:30
GeneralAntillesThe price of popularity.00:32
konttoriAnyone want to try out usbcontrol (sans ukmp)?00:32
Jaffakonttori: is it a funky little statusbar applet, or a desktop applet, or a discreet little window yet? ;-)00:33
konttoriMay need to install ukmp 1.74 over 1.73.00:33
konttoriJaffa: Absolutely no change to the prior version.00:33
konttoriBut, packaged as separate app, as requested by quite a few people00:33
JaffaFair enough. Didn't try it TBH, only just got my female/female adapter and happy with the command line for the moment.00:33
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konttoriCould you try it out just for me?00:34
konttoriJust to see if it works.00:34
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Jaffakonttori: works perfectly (I've not got UKMP installed at the moment, so there's clearly no dep on that). Does it just switch mode, or does it intelligently look for file systems to unmount etc?00:37
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JaffaTwo more suggestions: 1) Default install location of "Settings" rather than "Extras"; 2) make it a dialogue box rather than full screen, with three buttons on top of each other, with 48x48 icons00:38
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konttoriIt's dummy as hell00:38
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konttoriThanks for the encouragement! Yeah. I've been thinking to do layout changes. Just need to  have something else on the screen as well.00:39
konttoriMaybe allow key reconfiguration or something like that.00:40
konttorianyway, to bed now. Thanks!00:40
konttoriIF you wanna hack it a bit, just sudo and then vi /usr/bin/usbcontrol00:40
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lcukconttori@810# usbcontrol disable00:41
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MangoFusionJaffa: haha, i saw that screen resolution thing earlier. hilarious00:45
* lcuk fails to see the funny cos its all logical and makes sense00:47
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MangoFusionaarrgh, my eyes00:47
lcuki use scaled vnc desktops quite a lot at work, even down to someone asking for a screenshot00:48
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lardmanevening all00:50
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MangoFusiontrue but would you use it 24/7?00:51
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NaviI'd use it as long as I'm away from my desktop00:52
lcuki dunno, i lived for years with amiga high resolution flickery interlace on an old sd tv, is this solution really any worse?00:52
Naviexcept instead of vnc, it'd be remote X00:52
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* Jaffa doesn't imagine using it too often, but handy to have in the toolbox.00:53
JaffaBed time now, tho'00:54
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Solarionmaemo/nokia person ping00:55
Mouseydamn maemo/nokia shoulda been at SCALE00:55
Mouseyeverybody loved the n81000:55
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SolarionI love my n810.  I was doing work during colloquium.  :)00:56
Solarionplus, since it runs x11, I cna redirect x11 output back to my screen.  w00t!00:56
Mouseyexcept for the grand prize of the raffle, i think mine was the ONLY one there00:56
darkipi'm on mine now00:56
Mouseythere were 800s tho00:56
* Solarion found an important bug which should be relayed to nokia/maemo people ASAP00:59
Solarionyeah, but it's currently assigned to "nobody"; how long does it take nokia/maemo to pick up important bugs?00:59
Mouseythe whole device is a giant security hole. I direct trains thru it00:59
Mouseychoo choo!01:00
MouseySolarion: i have no idea.. in fact, i'm just a loudmouth newbie, and safe to ignore ^_^01:00
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sfirewill the n800 and the n810 be able to run the same software forever?  example if OS2009 comes out will I still be able to upgrade01:00
johnxsfire, I think Nokia has committed to at least one more major release for the n800, which would be OS200901:01
sfireis the handwriting recognization good?01:01
lcukyou are guaranteed to be able to run the software you got when you purchased the device.  anything else is a bonus, but based upon past experience and a sprinkling of nokia info you should be able to follow the update trail for a while01:02
johnxnot really...01:02
sfirejust trying to decide between the n800 and the n81001:02
GeneralAntillesI can't imagine them dropping the N810 after a single update.01:02
johnxnot really to the handwriting...01:02
GeneralAntillesSo I'd bet we might even see OS2010 on the N80001:02
lcukdropping the 810 == dropping the 800 as well01:02
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GeneralAntillessfire, there's no real difference between the two hardware wise.01:02
lcukuntil then they are tied together by common hardware01:03
johnxit's the same motherboard with different accessories plugged in, basically01:03
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* lardman hopes OpenGL will eventually come out of the Nokia woodwork01:03
sfireso if size isn't a concern just carrying around a bluetooth keyboard makes them about equal right?01:03
* lcuk dremels out the camera and gps and puts in radio and popout cam01:03
lcuk+gps yes01:03
dtahtbot`lcuk: Error: "gps" is not a valid command.01:03
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lardmananother bot01:04
lardman+hello bot01:04
dtahtbot`lardman: Error: "hello" is not a valid command.01:04
johnx+shutup bot :)01:04
dtahtbot`johnx: Error: "shutup" is not a valid command.01:04
MangoFusionwhat's a good bt keyboard for the n800 anyway? i have been looking around but i can't quite find one that stands out01:04
dtahtbot`lcuk: Error: "sql"is_not_a_command" is not a valid command.01:05
sfireI saw one in a video that folds.. don't know who makes it though01:05
johnxigo makes one that a lot of people seem to have01:05
* johnx doesn't have a bt keyboard01:05
lcukplenty make folding kb now, and rolling and virtual and fullsize01:05
MangoFusionthe only bt keyboard i have is a big clunky apple one - not very portable ;)01:05
lcukis it the old style one?01:05
lcukare you happy with its performance?01:06
lcuk(im looking at one)01:06
MangoFusioni was contemplating the new one, but that is still not portable enough from what i have seen01:06
lcukdo batteries last? is it comfy....01:06
MangoFusionmine has worked fine so far01:06
sfirethat one ^^ ?01:06
MangoFusionnot replaced the battery's since i got it01:06
MangoFusionthough i didn't use it for a while so maybe that factors into it01:07
lcukcool, i think im gonna get one of them then, dont like the new apple one01:07
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lcuktheres lots of folding keyboards btw01:08
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lcuknokia n96 has a kickstand :D01:09
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blahdeblahI have a Think Outside Bluetooth Foldable Keyboard - it performs extremely well once you get used to the layout, but is a bit on the fragile side.  Operation with my N800 is flawless.01:11
MangoFusioni just got an n95. now i'm going to be depressed01:11
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lardmanMangoFusion: Or you could be inspired to get the same stuff working on the N8x0... ;)01:12
lcuklardman, have seen my first fb pixels written :)01:13
lardmangood stuff, I've seen my first colour blocks from the dsp :)01:14
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lcukthanks for the base, its got the x layer running, ive added the mplayer fb layer and found he stops a certain way along because hes aiming for a fullcolor screen, im heading into the deeper waters of the framebuffer...01:14
solmumahalardman: fyi, LD_LIBRARY_PATH works, but not from memory card01:14
lardmanam tidying up the code to send to the list01:14
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lardmansolmumaha: ah ok, bit of a pita those mount options01:15
lcukgood man01:15
lcukthese smallish programs could be compiled and deployed so much easier with direct onboard maketools/gcc etc01:15
lardmanit's very very very slow01:15
solmumahaand you can't install stuff on memory card either, dies on chown :(01:15
lardmanok for very small stuff I suppose01:16
lcukeven for these small base tests?01:16
lardmansolmumaha: vfat01:16
solmumahai know01:16
solmumahawould have been nice though01:16
lardmanlcuk: On the Zaurus, running any build tools on device was painfully slow01:16
lardmansolmumaha: yep01:16
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lardmanlcuk: though we have more RAM, and that was the limiting factor on the Zaurus in the end01:17
lcukill see about a custom no build opts, just all in a direct shell script running gcc as i go01:17
johnxalso, I think the IO speeds on the NIT are generally better01:17
johnxheh...speaking of slow, my webkit gtk+ build in qemu-system-arm on my desktop is still going from last night O_o01:17
lcukit might work for specifics01:17
lcukim just annoyed developing inside the vmware bubble01:18
lardmanjohnx: oh dear, what spec is the build machine?01:18
johnxathlon 64 3000+01:18
johnxit's faster than just about any retail available ARM machine I'm pretty sure...01:19
lcukin a vmware box?01:19
lardmanjohnx: my first OE build machine was a p3-400 w/ 64Mb RAM. That was painful, especially in the old bad bitbake-needs-lots-of-memory days01:19
lardmanjohnx: :)01:19
* johnx waits for scratchbox2 ...01:19
* lardman uses OE + bitbake to build things01:20
sfirecan anyone tell me what specs the battery is in the n800..  newegg lists that it uses a common BP-5L battery and I'm looking to see if there is anything that might provide a longer runtime01:20
lardmanAC? ;)01:20
lcukcar battery?01:21
lardmanlcuk: Too heavy01:21
sfirewas looking for more unwired time01:21
johnxinteresting...mine doesn't seem to list mA on it...01:21
lcukyou could try a solar array shaped as wings01:21
lcukthey supply the power and help you get around faster01:22
MangoFusioni've got a great idea01:22
MangoFusionget a crank01:22
lcukone of these kneee power devices01:22
MangoFusionattached to a wind-up generator01:22
sfirea internet search shows that they range from 800mAh to about 1500 mAh01:22
darkipscratchbox 2????01:22
MangoFusionwhenever you want to use your tablet again, crank like mad for a day01:23
MangoFusionor two01:23
lardmansfire: The batteries?01:23
lcukget an arm crank and when you want to use it, you just flap your wings like a chicken01:23
* lardman switches N800 off to pull out battery01:23
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johnxdarkip, the new scratchbox :)01:23
* lardman forgot how hard that is to do01:24
darkipwhat's new in it?01:24
lcukdoes it run in wndows? (cower!)01:24
johnxit works rather differently, but I couldn't begin to describe it:
lardmansfire: Mine says BP-5L 1500mAh01:24
sfirelardman: thanks.. exactly what I was looking for :)01:25
johnxlcuk, maybe in cygwin with some hacking?01:25
lcukhmmmm john..01:25
johnxlcuk, maybe once windows improves its POSIX compliance :P01:25
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lcukon linux lowers its :P01:26
johnxheh. well, you'll have to get *BSD and Mac OS on that "less compliance" bandwagon too...01:26
lcukdamn your logic \o|    ;)01:27
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sfireif you plug in the n800 can you change the battery while it is powered up?01:29
* GeneralAntilles wish that had a big cap for changing the battery like the old iBooks.01:30
lardmanMy n800 is far less efficient than my n81001:31
lardmanin terms of battery life01:31
lardmanI wonder why01:31
johnxtwo sd cards mounted?01:31
lardmanyes, that may well be it01:31
sfiredoes it offer a "hibernate" or does it totally have to reboot?01:32
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lardmansfire: reboot01:32
johnxsfire, no hibernate. there is a "semi-hidden" suspend to RAM option but that would get wiped with no battery power01:32
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sfirewhat kind of battery life do you guys tend to get? does it run a full day on a charge?01:34
johnxit depends on what you do with it01:34
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sfirelets say I just have instant messenger running01:34
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GeneralAntillessfire, the ARM stuff idles at practically no power usage.01:35
johnxidle w/ wifi connection: maybe 2 days, idle w/o wifi: several days01:35
MangoFusiona darn sight better than my axim x50v with WM501:35
GeneralAntillesWithout wifi, completely idle, like, 10-12 days.01:35
MangoFusionthe memories.... uuugh01:36
GeneralAntillesOn wifi around 2 or 3 days.01:36
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sfirethats better than I expected01:36
johnxif you run the backlight constantly and an actively used wifi connection you might drain it in 4 hours...01:36
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MangoFusionmine currently claims "4 days idle, 3 hours when in use". wifi off01:37
GeneralAntilles7-8 in-use with low backlight and minimal network usage.01:37
sfireis the bluetooth more power efficient than the 802.11b/g ?01:38
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lardmanno one had done proper tests afaik01:38
lardmanslightly changes the meaning :)01:39
sfiredoes using the bluetooth to access the net from a cell phone quickly drain the cell phone battery?01:40
sfire(sorry for the 101 questions)01:40
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GeneralAntillesWifi > Bluetooth01:41
GeneralAntillesFrom my experience, anyway.01:41
GeneralAntillescellphone dies fast.01:41
GeneralAntilles3-hours on mine.01:41
lardmandifficult to separate the Bluetooth from the GPRS/etc. though01:41
lardmanah, sorry should have read higher up01:42
lardmancarry on¬01:47
glassand that works 12 or so fps?01:48
solmumahahard to tell01:48
solmumahaon start at least :)01:49
glassi'm impressed anyways01:49
sfireanyone in here use Kontact in KDE as their organizer? is it possible to sync with it?01:49
lardman~lart Gnome for not allowing me to open a terminal in a given directory01:49
* infobot takes Gnome to the vet for a "special" visit for not allowing me to open a terminal in a given directory01:49
solmumahathere's a deb if you want to test01:49
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solmumahano sound atm though :(01:50
johnxlardman, there's an addon for nautilus to do that...01:50
lardmanjohnx: ah, ok, I'll do some Googling; thanks01:50
johnxtry something like "open terminal here"01:50
lardmanwhile I'm at it. search is rubbish too01:52
lardmanjohnx: sudo apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal01:53
johnxyup, sounds right :)01:53
johnxabout both search and terminal...01:53
johnxsearch got a lot worse since the last gnome release01:53
* johnx grumbles01:53
* lardman used to use KDE01:54
johnxwell...I really dislike KDE but I won't get into that01:54
lardmanI'm also not fond of the lack of tabs in Nautilus01:55
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lardmanhere's a strange one: Makefile has the command: $(CC) test_framebuffer.o -lX11 -o test_framebuffer (which works if entered manually), but the output shows that what is actually executed is: gcc   test_framebuffer.o   -o test_framebuffer02:02
lardmanany ideas what's wrong?02:02
johnxa newline in the wrong place?02:02
johnx(in the makefile)02:03
lardmandoesn't look like it, and I can't see how the -lX11 would be ignored (that's all on one line)02:03
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lardmanMy mistake, misnamed the target. Nearly bed time :)02:05
lcuklard, this is what i have ended up using with the base code02:05
Null-Pcan anyone tell me what the ascii values (default) are for the dpad directions (up/down/left/right)?02:05
lardmanlcuk: I'm famous ;)02:05
Null-Por keycodss02:05
lardmanNull-P: Was in the maemo tutorial iirc02:06
Mouseyanyone know how to boot the n810 in text mode? i wanna see the dmesg scrolling as it boots if it's possible (like on the openmoko phones)02:06
lardmanlcuk: thanks02:06
Null-Pmmm, looking02:06
johnxMousey, you'll need a custom kernel02:07
Mouseywow, really02:07
Mouseydammit.. the more i hang out in here, the more i'm convinced i'm an idiot for not installing scratchbox02:07
lardmanTry OE + bitbake.... :)02:07
johnxneed to turn on console framebuffer and something about LCD manual update02:08
lcuklardman, explain a bitmore about oe+bitbake, why would i want outlook express?02:08
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johnxlardman, I can't get to my OE build box right now. Does OE have the OS2008 kernel?02:09
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lardmanjohnx: not sure, but I imagine so; they have added everything else02:09
lardmanjohnx: take a look at the browser on oe.org02:09
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johnxah, thanks02:09
lardmanlcuk: openembedded.org02:10
Mousey  The domain may be for sale by its owner!02:10
lcuki got there eventually.. ive heard you mention it a few times and grew curious02:10
lardmanlcuk: it's a cross builder; works very nicely. I can do "bitbake octave" and it will build & package everything needed to build octave02:10
Mouseyoh.... naggers02:10
* Mousey goes back to lurk02:10
lcukdoes it work with std make files thou02:11
lardmanno arsing around building all the deps oneself02:11
johnxwell, as long as they're in OE...02:11
lcukas in, can i import a code tree and it gets all its info from the folder02:11
lardmanlcuk: generally yes; you need to provide a .bb for the package in question (which is a build recipe). There are *lots* of things already provided tho02:11
hrw|goneMousey: flash this kernel: and you will get console scrolling on boot02:11
Mouseyhrw|gone: wow, thanks02:11
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hrw|goneMousey: no warranty of course02:12
lardmanlcuk: you tell it where the code is, and it will build it using standard autotools02:12
lardmanhrw|gone: ;)02:12
hrw|goneMousey: and report back does it works for you02:12
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hrw|goneMousey: kernel is for n8x0 (n800 and n810)02:12
lcukbut in the case of these little tests it couldnt decipher that you needed x11 could it?02:12
lcukor is that one of its magic tricks?02:13
lardmanlcuk: you tell it what the deps are in the .bb recipe02:13
lardman packages list02:13
lardman this is a build recipe for octave02:13
lardmanthis is the .inc file
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lardmanAll slightly cryptic, but not that bad once you get started, and the bonus is that there's lots of stuff there already02:14
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lcukseems like it comes into its own for multiple target building02:16
lardmancertainly the metadata support building for multiple targets02:16
johnxit works really well for building a whole distribution from source and then creating a package feed (aka repository) to go with it...02:16
lardmanwhich is good as lots of people use it and fix it and add to it02:16
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lcukyes i can see :)  thanks for info.   (backs away carefully because thats another layer of info for my brain to explode with)02:17
* lcuk is just settling into makefiles02:17
* johnx still finds building in qemu to be easiest (also: slowest)02:18
pupnikglass: as far as i can tell it's above 12 fps - in the 12-15 range02:20
glassnice, nice02:20
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pupniksol' did a great package of warzone2100 here - puts the 30 MB game data onto /media/mmc2 instead of rootfs02:21
* lcuk takes over the framebuffer without x02:26
lcukits all fun and games until you realise the x window on top was providing refresh cover ;)02:27
pupniklcuk: can you whip up a little demo with src?02:28
lcukclose xwindow after playing and whole display comes back.... writing directly is like grafitying on the screen ;)02:28
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lcukpupnik, its a bit of a boiled down hackjob to get first light on base device.  slow and dirty tho provides a baseline at least.
pupnikyou are testing on 770?02:31
lcukits a mix of mplayer code, lardman and my first dive into c in many years02:31
lcukno, ive got an 810 i was looking at the options02:31
pupnikexcellent thanks02:32
pupnikthis is using the 16-bit rgb565 right now?02:33
lcuknp, now how about a codeswap :P i like the look of your pupvox02:33
lcukim not sure i had to sleep last night, i cant remember what i left in02:33
lcukinfact, its not in anything but the desktop in the state its in02:34
lcuki am gonna start looking at what the framebuffer does tomorrow.  first straight foreward test should be the rotation code.02:36
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pupnikok there are a number of fun sdl demos that can benefit from this kind of thing once we understand it better02:36
lcukthen i will look at the OMAPFB_SETUP_PLANE functions and beyond to follow what happens when changing modes02:37
pupnikthe big issues are getting fast blits from 8bpp and 16bpp sdl surfaces, but also a custom 32bpp->yuv would be tremendous, saving a lot of sdl overhead02:37
pupnikok write comments!02:37
pupnikdid you get my pm lcuk ?02:38
lcukthere is meant to be a single bitplane mode OMAPFB_COLOR_CLUT_1BPP which if i can get it will be an 8x speedup for writing book pages...    im not going after this from a gaming perspective yet, ulteririor motives ;) and i know others are looking at the planar conversion (lardman..)02:38
lcukyes, just now, they dont flash for some reason02:39
lardmanyep, I see that02:39
lardmanyou might need the pdf for the lcd controller to work out the bit pattern though02:40
lardmanunless it truly is that simple02:40
lcukill get that when i need it, but theres only so many ways02:40
lardmanlcuk: I have a copy somewhere, give me a shout tomorrow when I'm at work02:41
lcukill be at work and its rare i get online (even less cos tomorrow is picnic day with family :D) i love school holidays02:41
lcukpupnik, lardman thanks :) i will go and digest some more and see where i get upto.  have a good night02:43
lardmanlcuk: cheers, you too02:44
* lardman thought he had the code for the 770 and n8x0 cracked, but the n8x0 are playing up02:45
lardmanannoyingly I think I've solved this before, just can't remember how; need to browse ml02:45
lardmannight all02:48
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blahdeblah1Hi.  Are there any media players other than kagu which support scrobbling and Ogg?03:49
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blahdeblah1Navi: the maemo package is called maemoscrobbler03:55
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lodccan anyone point me towards the best kismet binaries to use on n800/os2008?  maybe i am dumb but cant seem to get the answer from google04:21
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Mouseyttfn, internets!04:24
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* SDuensin is a new N800 owner. Yea!04:48
johnxwelcome to the club :)04:49
SDuensinThanks.  :-)04:49
SDuensinNo idea what I'm doing yet.04:49
SDuensinOnly problem I've had so far is getting it to connect to my Mac's shared internet.  :-(04:50
GeneralAntillesApple's DHCP server is broken.04:51
GeneralAntillesJust buy yourself a real router.04:51
milhouseyou must be talking about bug 2478...04:51
SDuensinI use a router at home, but when I'm at work, I want to sponge internet off my cellular card in my laptop.04:51
SDuensinI must have voted for 2478.  :-)04:51
milhouseyou and ryan! :)04:52
GeneralAntillesI hear setting a static IP is sometimes successful.04:52
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GeneralAntillesThere's details on google somewhere.04:52
milhousestatic ip must be the easiest work around...04:53
SDuensinSometimes, yes.  Apparently not today.04:53
milhousefor once there's not much nokia can do about this as they don't have access to the source code... hmm welcome to our world.04:53
GeneralAntillesYou could try usbnet as a stop gap.04:53
milhouseor run a third party dhcp server?04:54
GeneralAntillesYeah, that seems like it might be an option.04:54
GeneralAntillesThough I've never seen details on setting that up anywhere.04:54
SDuensinI'll figure something out.  I don't need DHCP.04:54
SDuensinSomething else I've noticed is seriously lacking on the N800...04:55 Apple II emulator!   :-)04:55
GeneralAntillesThere's a C64 emulator.04:55
SDuensinBah!  Apple II Forever!04:55
SDuensinI managed to get the Maemo SDK installed.  Staring at LinApple at the moment.  It's tempting me.  <G>04:56
milhouseBoth 6502 based (C64 actually 6510 so really a more advanced 6502 but close enough) so the CPU emulation should be pretty well sorted... are the Apple ][ ROMs available?04:57
SDuensinEasily available.04:57
SDuensinLegally, dunno.  But I have real ROMs.04:57
milhouseI promise I won't use ][ again...04:57
unique311Tak, any betas for me to takes a look at?04:57
milhouseYeah, "legally" is really what I'm getting at :)04:58
SDuensinApple ][, Apple IIe, Apple //c.  Pick a pair.  :-)04:58
SDuensinSo don't spread the ROM with the emu.  That's legal.04:58
milhouseThe Newton emulation is hamstrung by "copyright" issues, even now... sighs.04:58
milhouseLimits your market though04:59
milhouseI suppose they're available as torrents, but kind of puts a dampner on the whole project04:59
johnxyeah...I really wanted to try the newton emulation just to see what I was missing but I gave up after a couple hours of searching for a working ROM...04:59
johnxoh...I found a ROM, I'm just apparently not 1337 enough to make the emulation work05:00
GeneralAntillesBe nice if the Newton just had a decent web browser.05:01
johnxthat really is what the NITs actually bring to the party vs anything else in the same size range...05:01
johnx(the Sony UX is *not* in the same size range...)05:02
GeneralAntillesIt freaks me out a little every time I use it.05:02
SDuensinWeb browser?  There was no web then!05:02
GeneralAntillesSure there was05:02
GeneralAntillesIt was only the mid-90s. :P05:02
SDuensinWas it?  Dang.05:02
johnxI was even *using* the web then... O_o05:02
* GeneralAntilles was on AOL.05:03
johnxmy cousin owned and operated a dialup ISP :)05:03
johnxI can't remember who bought him out...05:03
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* SDuensin was on the web very early, too. Ran two ISPs.05:04
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johnxIt's really funny to see how long the StrongARM stuck around as the de-facto PDA CPU05:06
SDuensinDoes the job well.05:07
johnxbut seriously, from 1997 - 2003 or so?05:08
johnxthat's a *long* run05:08
* milhouse misses bulletin boards over a 2400 baud dial-up... :)05:08
SDuensin2400?  First one I ran took calls at 110.05:08
johnxI enjoy *memories* of the past...but really, the past sucked05:09
milhouseBBS' had a charm about them05:09
SDuensinBBSs were a good thing.  Nice local community.  Had to be smart to get to them.05:09
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j0ttthat's why we use irssi (and alike) nowadays ;)05:09
SDuensinNatural moron filter.  :-)05:09
* johnx still misses the primarily text-based web from time to time05:10
milhouseI paid almost £400 for my 2400 modem. It had BIS though, which was worth extra... no really it was.05:10
milhouses/worth extra/worth the extra/05:10
infobotmilhouse meant: I paid almost £400 for my 2400 modem. It had BIS though, which was worth the extra... no really it was.05:10
Takmilhouse meant: I paid almost £400 for my 2400 modem. It had BIS though, which was worth the extra... no really it was.05:10
milhousehmmm... repetition05:10
j0tti recently watched the bbs documentary.. really brought up alot of old memories ;)05:11
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SDuensinAlmost $800 for my Dual Standard.  That was crazy.05:11
milhouseI'd really like to see that documentary (God I'm sad!)05:11
* johnx didn't even have his own computer until 1998 :)05:11
johnxI actually should watch that too...05:11
milhouseIt was a complete rip off when I think back, but it was the only modem compatible with my Sinclair QL! :)05:12
milhousewhich means this was about 1984-198505:12
SDuensinSinclair?  What side of the pond are you on?05:12
milhouseer... right hand side05:12
* jott had a cpc 464 back then05:12
* SDuensin is surrounded!05:13
milhouseOooh Amstrad... boo hiss05:13
jottit was actually a "Schneider" here in germany ;)05:13
Taknope, no betas05:13
milhouseI cut my teeth on MC68K assembler... those were the days. I then saw Intel X86 assembler and vomitted on the spot.05:14
GeneralAntillesHaha. I remember drooling over the 14.4k modem my dad had for his work computer in the early nineties.05:14
pupnikWarzone2100 running in 800x480 now05:15
pupniktak you might enjoy this one05:15
Takhmm, how are you guys in germany liking the current social and political situation?05:16
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SDuensinWow.  Warzone looks cool.05:17
pupniksolmumaha did the packaging (well)05:17
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pupnikTak no comment on that from me05:18
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Takheh, seriously05:18
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Takmy fiancée got a job offer in berlin05:19
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jotti like berlin :)05:20
jottTak: well the social and political situation is quite ok in an international context, still enough to rant about (and thats not declining ;-)05:22
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jotti suppose it depends on what you are used to anyway...05:23
TakI'm just wondering like - I wouldn't advise anybody to move to the US right now...05:24
SDuensinGee, Tak - why not?  We can't get any MORE screwed up!   :-P05:24
milhousePlenty of cheap houses available... :)05:24
Takat least not from a developed nation05:24
TakSDuensin: you're more optimistic than I am05:25
z00m1nas if the US would let anyone in05:25
milhouseUS housing is pretty messed up - so many properties lying empty and derelict... entire neighbourhoods decimated. not good.05:25
Takmilhouse: yeah - particularly bad here in fl05:26
milhouseAustralia and Canada would be my choices05:26
SDuensinWell gang, I'm going to bed.  I'm sure I'll be back.  Loving the N800 so far!05:27
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z00m1nand New Zealand ;-)05:27
unique311is it that bad in america..05:27
unique311doesn't seem to be to me.05:27
unique311america fecking rocks.05:28
Takpssh, as if nz would let anybody in :-p05:28
GeneralAntillesHoly hell, pupnik, this is awesome. :D05:28
pupnikyeah and it's even fun to play05:30
z00m1nhey, at least noone points any machine guns at you at the airport and treats you like a criminal05:30
johnxthe told me they point guns at me because they care!05:31
johnxheh...actually i haven't seen that recently05:32
unique311not a big fan of car bombs.05:32
TakI thought they were filled with candy05:32
johnxhey...NZ, wasn't that where some crazy lady tried to hijack a plane the other day?05:32
milhouseyeah... had to be sedated05:33
milhousewhich sounds really scary05:33
* Tak => ramones05:33
johnxTak, :D05:33
z00m1nyeah, someone from Liberia or so who was known to have mental issues...05:33
z00m1nthey also smuggled a knife and a fake bomb onto a domestic flight a couple of days ago05:34
milhousei wonder how they sedated her - swift punch to the face? not sure I could have brought myself to do it to a woman, although if she was threatening to take us all with her I guess it would have come easier05:34
z00m1nbut then, they did the same in Amsterdam05:34
johnxmilhouse, she had a knife, was making a bomb threat and stabbing at people05:35
milhouselock em up, lose the key05:35
unique311i would'be punched her.05:35
milhousei guess i would have punched her :)05:35
z00m1nwell, she stabbed by the pilot and the co-pilot05:35
johnxI wouldn't have...might get my hand cut...I would've kicked her05:35
infobotz00m1n meant: well, she stabbed both the pilot and the co-pilot05:35
GeneralAntillesThey need to do away with the farcical security at airports.05:36
johnxthough the US TSA is pretty ridiculous lately...05:36
johnxI will allow for that much05:36
unique311alot of bigger issues happening around the world.....I don't think we need to worry much about how screwed up the politics in america are.05:36
GeneralAntillesI think the biggest change since 9/11 is that passengers now know that the stakes have changed.05:36
milhouselucky it wasn't a US flight with an air marshall... they'd have been ventilated05:36
elbin 8/2001, I carried a pocketknife on an international flight05:36
TakI'm not looking forward to the fiasco with our tablets05:37
elbI didn't hijack anything, either05:37
GeneralAntillesand that more than anything will prevent hijackings.05:37
Takunique311: that's an incredibly myopic perspective05:37
* johnx wants high speed, trans-oceanic trains :/05:38
GeneralAntillesSounds expensive.05:38
Takelb: but now it's A POST 9/11 WORLD!!!!!05:38
* Tak wants trained, ultrasonic dolphins05:38
GeneralAntillespew pew!05:39
johnxmmmm...dolphin meat05:39
milhouseI thought the US Navy already had those? :)05:39
milhouseAnd in Seaquest DSV they had one which could talk (RIP Roy Schnieder)05:39
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unique311go navy.05:43
milhouseGo Flipper.05:45
elbthere was a dolphin boy in Sealab 202105:48
elbI'm not sure if that's related05:48
TakI think Jonny Quest was molested by a dolphin once...05:49
unique311     <-- navy dolphin in action05:50
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unique311enlisted or officers.....wonder if they get paid.05:50
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johnxoh, I'm sure they get fish05:51
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blahdeblah1OK - trying an earlier question again: Are there any media players other than kagu which support scrobbling and Ogg?06:12
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leif__UKMP appears to06:14
leif__i've never used myself06:14
GeneralAntillesDon't listen to enough music on my tablet to really make that important.06:15
GeneralAntillesVagalume is wonderful, though.06:15
Takif I could import my employer's wpa cert, I'd use vagalume all day long06:15
leif__there isn't a DSP ogg codec yet, is there?06:17
leif__the last time i played oggs for a while, it drained by battery06:17
Proteousbattery life is a small price to play for ogg support you DRM non free loving bad person man!06:19
TakI think lardman is developing one06:19
Naviogg vorbis can be DRM'ed, just that no one is interested in implementing it06:19
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blahdeblah1leif__: thanks for the tip06:54
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blahdeblah1GeneralAntilles, Tak: is a biggie for me - i am pretty compulsive with my music listening.  Check out the global tag radio "awesome guitar jams" in Vagalume sometime...  ;-)06:57
Takyes, me too06:57
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GeneralAntillesRelease, release, release!07:07
fysaIf we hit recession and our value tanks, all of those houses are going to be full of immigrants in a hurry.07:07
fysa.. when.07:08
johnxand/or I might have some prospect of purchasing a house in my lifetime07:08
fysaHurry in political terms -- a term or two. :P07:08
fysaOpen the floodgates on H1B..07:09
fysaGive credits for home buyers.07:09
GeneralAntilles++, johnx.07:09
dtahtbot`GeneralAntilles: Error: "+," is not a valid command.07:09
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fysaOr not.  Just thinking aloud.07:11
fysaI spent a few months in India back in 2001, and there were no shortage of people with plenty of money wanting to move but unable to acquire a visa.07:11
rm_youGeneralAntilles: working on it now :)07:12
rm_youGeneralAntilles: was trying to plan a date ^_^07:12
GeneralAntillesSounds fun.07:12
GeneralAntillesfysa, I seriously think we should just open the borders07:12
GeneralAntillesWITH the understanding that non-citizens wont receive welfare support.07:13
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fysaNot the borders per-say.  But we have plenty of lines of already-employed/married/engaged and just waiting to get into the country.07:13
Takagree with generalantilles07:14
fysaThese are people that can support themselves.  L1, K visas, H1B, etc. .  if my wife would have went back to Hong Kong before we married, there would have been a wait of several years to get her back in.07:14
fysaThe processes in place just need to be opened and sped up.07:14
fysaProcessing times of 3-5 years is insanity.07:15
GeneralAntillesWhich is why we should save the billions of wasted tax dollars and open 'er up.07:15
fysaAnyway..  that's the outcome I'm hoping on and seems reasonable long-term.07:15
rm_youGeneralAntilles: what is the range on the volume BTW? :P07:17
GeneralAntillesHardware or icons?07:17
GeneralAntillesAssuming icons: m-507:17
GeneralAntilles6 total07:17
GeneralAntillesMy recommendation would be to change m to 0 and increment the rest by 1.07:18
GeneralAntillesAssuming that's easier.07:18
rm_youi meant hardware tho :P07:18
rm_youis it 0-255?07:18
GeneralAntillesGood question07:18
GeneralAntillesWhat did you use for the one I have?07:18
rm_youi havent done it yet?07:18
rm_youor... what?07:18
rm_youi just passed the values straight through :P07:18
GeneralAntillesYou gave me a .so with a volume slider!07:18
rm_younever looked at it07:18
GeneralAntillesWorked great.07:19
rm_youyes i know07:19
rm_youbut for figuring out which icon to use :P07:19
GeneralAntillesPlay with numbers until it fits-ish?07:19
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rm_youyeah i'm gonna07:20
GeneralAntillesWhat the hell did they do to the university's SSH. <_<07:20
GeneralAntillestab-completion and arrow keys don't work anymore.07:20
rm_youyou in bash? or did it drop you to sh07:21
rm_youor something worse >_>07:21
johnxGeneralAntilles, either they changed your default shell or they messed up their bash installation07:21
rm_youtry running bash :P07:21
rm_youi wrote a shell for my OS class :) it's neat07:21
rm_youjohnx: i should send that to you :P07:21
GeneralAntillesHmm . . . there may have been a notice.07:21
* GeneralAntilles scrolls up.07:22
GeneralAntillesAh, there we go.07:22
GeneralAntillesI guess it was in ksh for some reason. . . .07:22
rm_youwell, time to try this out :)07:26
ds3has anyone tried one of those AA phone charger on a N800?07:27
GeneralAntillesI'm sure07:27
GeneralAntillesSeems like there's been a thread or three on them on ITT.07:27
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rm_youds3: i have one that i was going to try07:28
rm_youds3: the altoids tin 2xAA to USB one07:28
rm_youhavent gotten around to buying the USB charge cable for my n800 yet tho >_>07:29
ds3how do you get the altoids tin to put out 5.5V?07:29
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rm_youthe circuitry?07:50
rm_youi dunno... not an engineer :P07:50
rm_youi bought it from a DIY site07:50
johnxsome batteries and a voltage regulator ... or magic altoids07:50
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elbI dunno about your USB, but mine is 5V ;-)07:52
johnxhence, voltage regulator07:52
ds3oh thought you were building it from the plans on lady ada's site07:52
elbI suspect the power supply in the N810 is switching, anyway, and probably isn't too picky about its input voltage07:52
elbjohnx: right, I understand that -- ds3 asked about 5.5V ;-)07:53
ds3the N800 won't charge at 5V07:53
johnxah, missed that. oops07:53
ds3it wants 5.5V to charge07:53
johnxwill it really not charge at all on 5V?07:53
ds3that is correct07:53
johnxis this speculation or confirmed?07:54
ds3none of the nokia things will charge at 5V07:54
ds3this is observations from my experiments07:54
johnxjust wanted to checl :)07:54
elbds3: interesting, because my wall wort claims to be 5V07:54
ds3tested: 56xx series phone, 6130 phone, N800, 770. none of them will say charging07:54
ds3elb: yes, it is very odd07:54
elbI'm doubting it, frankly07:55
elbpeople have reported success charging their N810 off USB ports07:55
elband USB ports put out 5V by specification07:55
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ds3applying exactly 5V to it will cause the device to detect a charger is plugged in but then a few seconds later, it will say "Not Charging"07:55
elbare you sure you just didn't have enough amperage at 5V?07:55
elbwow, the first hit for 'altoids tin usb' is a *horrid* design07:56
rm_youGeneralAntilles: close!07:56
ds3elb: note you said N810... think they changed it to charge at 5.0V for the microUSB connector07:56
elbtwo 9V in parallel ... in series with two AAs07:56
elbit doesn't charge off the microUSB connector07:56
ds3elb: positive, one of my experiment is with a source that can put out 2A (a Li battery + 5V step up)07:56
elbit has the same charger plug as the new Nokia phones07:56
rm_youds3: yes, my Motorola phone is the same07:56
rm_youds3: will only charge on 5.5, not 5.0 :(07:56
rm_youannoying as all hell07:57
ds3rm_you: the Linux ones or others?07:57
rm_youso, others07:57
ds3ah.. donno enough about those to comment; I know the Linux ones will take a charge at 5V if the resistor things are programmed right07:57
ds3elb: Using another battery pack, sold as a phone charger, it charges and a meter measurement puts the voltage at about 5.7-5.8V; this one works07:58
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leif__rm_you, are you fetching icons from hardcoded paths still or getting themed ones now?08:13
rm_youhardcoded >_>08:13
rm_youleif__: they arent standard anymore08:14
rm_youleif__: the applet has its own08:14
rm_youwhich could easily be replaced with a theme specifically for the applet...08:14
rm_youbut thanks to GeneralAntilles it now has a lot more specific levels08:14
rm_youbeta will be out shortly08:14
rm_youit looks *nice*08:14
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rm_youjust working out one final math issue08:15
leif__so the full paths to the hicolor directory aren't hardcoded?08:15
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rm_youleif__: they are...08:15
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rm_youbut now the icons used are /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps/adv-backlight/adv-backlight-icon-*08:15 g08:15
leif__I've not done much gtk programming, so I'm not sure exactly how to do this, but there is a way to get the adv-backlight-icon-* files while letting the system decide if you get hicolor or the current icon theme08:16
leif__no hildon themes actually set an icon theme though, except for lcars08:16
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leif__and lcars doesn't include any icons for 3rd party applets currently08:17
leif__but if you make the icons themeable, maybe a future version will08:17
rm_youat the moment, the icons that come with the package could just be replaced by custom ones...08:18
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rm_youi could just make it depend on a virtual package "advanced-backlight-icons" or something that could be filled by either the default icon package or something else? :P08:18
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leif__yeah, that is how lcars always replaced icons before, but in the 4.0 release we realized we could actually theme the statusbar icons properly08:19
leif__er, replacing them is how08:19
leif__with dpkg-divert08:19
rm_youwell, if you want to consult with me :P08:19
rm_youGeneralAntilles: did you go to sleep or something? >_>08:19
* GeneralAntilles is watching South Park.08:20
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leif__likewise, if your package wants to include icons for different themes, it can... just put some in /usr/share/icons/hicolor, some in .../icons/lcars-padd/ etc08:20
leif__the two lcars themes have separate icon sets, but they are identical except for one icon08:21
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leif__rm_you, the function to get themed icons is gtk_icon_theme_load_icon08:25
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rm_youleif__: hrm... ok... >_> not sure how to use that tho08:26
rm_youGeneralAntilles: beta release! :P08:26
leif__yeah, me neither :/08:27
GeneralAntillesleif__, you don't mind if I use the LCARS brightness and volume applet icons to work up an LCARS adv-backlight icon, do you?08:27
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leif__no, please do!08:27
corevettewhat is the root password on OS2007 HE?08:31
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Tama^2or something like that08:33
Tama^2not sure08:33
Tama^2I just remember it sounded su=illy08:34
corevettea site says rootme, but it doesn't work08:34
johnxcorevette, are you trying to su or ssh in?08:34
corevettejohnx: ^08:35
rm_youGeneralAntilles: need a new icon for the main applet icon (the one in the panels menu) since it will be displaying on a pure white background08:35
johnxin OS2007 for N800 the account is locked and you need to use becomeroot or install an ssh server to get root access08:35
GeneralAntillesJust B&W the all-full one?08:35
rm_youyeah prolly08:35
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rm_youoh... needs to be 26x2608:43
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GeneralAntillesYou have an image scaler over there, don't you? :P08:43
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unique311_anyone try pairing the wiimote with 770 n800/810?08:46
unique311_i am getting this message from terminal (cannot concatenate 'str' and 'NoneType' objects)  and don't know why...08:47
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GeneralAntillesWell, the LCARS version is done.08:49
GeneralAntillesJust gotta save 40 some odd pngs now. <_<08:49
GeneralAntillesYou scale the preview icon, rm_you?08:49
corevettewhen i start canola2, i get 'illegal instruction'08:50
rm_youit's being a little @&^#! tho08:50
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inzcorevette, 770?08:55
corevetteyes inz08:55
rm_youit just won't choose the new icon08:55
rm_youi can switch it to whatever the hell icon i want besides the new one >_>08:56
inzcorevette, N800 cpu has more features than the 770 one, so software specifically compiled for the N800 won't work on 77008:56
inzcorevette, even though they both can be "bora"08:56
inzcorevette, so, in short, you're out of luck08:56
corevetteinz: .....they have a version out in beta for 2007HE08:56
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inzcorevette, did you install the gregale version or the bora version?08:59
corevetteinz: a good question :-)09:00
corevetteinz which should i install09:00
inzcorevette, the gregale version09:00
rm_youtrying a device reboot >_>09:01
inzcorevette, and now that you have the "broken" ones installed, it is not enough to remove canola, you need to remove some EFL libraries also09:01
corevetteinz: on the bottom of this page?
inzcorevette, if you didn't follow step #2, it won't work09:02
corevettei did inz09:02
inzWeird, the illegal instruction would suggest otherwise09:03
corevetteinz: i just did apt-get install canola2 after step 2...should i have clicked on the link?09:04
corevetteinz is there a way i can just start fresh?09:07
GeneralAntilles rm_you09:07
rm_youone thing at a time >_>09:08
rm_youi have NO idea how i am going to deal with those <_<09:08
inzcorevette, hmm, actually apt-get install should work better than the install link09:09
rm_youinz: what was that command that automated the package update process? like doing the changelog and renaming stuff?09:09
inzcorevette, but there's really no easy way to start clean (except reflashing)09:09
corevetteinz: yeah well it says 'ilegal instruction'09:09
inzrm_you, dch?09:09
rm_youah thx09:10
corevetteinz: do you prefer os2007HE or os200609:10
inzcorevette, don't have a 77009:10
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corevetteinz: i don't know what to do now09:11
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inzcorevette, I don't know all the dependencies of canola, so can't really help09:14
corevetteinz: one more question, how do i make my external memory card read/write, it's only read only right now09:16
leif__inz, shouldn't removing canola in the app manager remove its dependencies too?09:16
leif__i think so09:16
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rm_youinz: if i have a bunch of files that need to go in a certain directory during the install... what do i do with them?09:17
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inzleif__, afaik no, but not sure09:17
rm_youdo i put them in mypackage/debian/mypackage/usr/share/whatever/ ?09:17
inzcorevette, is it a sd card?09:17
corevetteyes inz09:17
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inzcorevette, do you have the write protection switch on?09:18
inzrm_you, yes and no, you tell someony to copy them there during the "install" phase09:18
corevetteinz: it looks like half of an SD card09:18
rm_youk >_>09:19
inzcorevette, ahh, true, 770 had mini-SD, it doesn't have the switch, sorry09:19
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inzcorevette, no idea then09:19
inzGeneral, right09:20
corevettehow do i make it writable09:20
GeneralAntillesIf it's read-only, then it's corrupted.09:20
GeneralAntillesfsck it.09:20
corevettehow generalantilles09:20
inzrm_you, just edit the debian/rules and add the commands under the install: -target09:21
inzrm_you, (or make your Makefile do less obtrusive make install ;)09:21
corevetteGeneralAntilles: how would i go about reformatting the memory card09:22
GeneralAntillesAssuming your data is backed up, just reformat it from the file manager.09:22
GeneralAntilles(may have to turn off swap if it's on)09:22
leif__rm_you, if you get the hildon-desktop source there are lots of uses of gtk_icon_theme_load_icon you can look at09:23
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corevetteGeneralAntilles: i press the format button and nothing happens09:26
GeneralAntillesIs it grayed?09:26
leif__rm_you, also this might help:
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corevetteGeneralAntilles: no, i go to Memory Card -> (memory card name) -> format09:27
corevetteand i press yes and nothing happens generalantilles09:27
GeneralAntillesDunno maybe an HE issue.09:28
GeneralAntillesGot a card reader you could stick it in?09:28
GeneralAntillesOr maybe try formatting over USB.09:28
inzrm, if you put the image under /usr/share/icons/hicolor/nxn/foo, you need to do gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor09:28
corevetteGeneralAntilles: how generalantilles, on linux09:29
corevetteGeneralAntilles: gparted?09:29
rm_youinz: i'm not understanding how this works...09:30
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rm_youinz: how does it know to copy the files in "advanced-backlight-0.8/debian/tmp/usr/lib/" to "/usr/lib/" on the device?09:31
rm_youshouldn't I just be able to put more files in that directory and expect them to go to the right place?09:31
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inzrm, ahh, I made it that way, you need to add the files (or a directory they're under) to debian/advanced-backlight.install09:32
rm_youok i saw that...09:32
rm_youso the files are in debian/tmp/usr/share/blah/09:33
inzrm, if you put the files directly there, dh_clean will delete them09:33
rm_youand the advanced-backlight.install has usr/share listed09:33
rm_youso shouldnt it already be working?09:33
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leif__rm_you, you're already copying a .desktop file into place in the install section in the Makefile (I'm looking at advanced-backlight-0.6)09:34
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leif__just copy other things the same way09:34
leif__er the debian/rules file, I mean09:35
rm_youthat makefile isn't actually used09:35
rm_youi am09:35
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rm_youGeneralAntilles, anyone: beta:
rm_youi broke something random about it... sec09:38
rm_youok, it's up again09:40
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rm_youdunno why it does that, but it's not new09:40
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rm_youit has a strange popup-placement bug that appears when i move it to the left of the cpu graph plugin >_>09:41
corevetteGeneralAntilles: which file system do i reformat it in09:41
GeneralAntillesvfat, I believe.09:41
GeneralAntillesSweet making, rm_you. :D09:41
rm_youdoes it work nicely?09:42
rm_you:P nice work on those icons09:43
rm_youi'll get around to dealing with LCARS themed ones soon, i guess...09:43
rm_youi need to sleep now though.09:43
rm_youi guess i'll put the new release up on garage tho :)09:43
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rm_youi emailed them about an upload account for the extras repo (like they said to in their wiki) but no response yet in about a week :(09:44
rm_youah well09:44
GeneralAntillesAnyway, good work.09:44
leif__rm_you, nice09:44
leif__the only thing missing (besides lcars icons :) is the sound when changing the volume09:44
rm_youi wonder...09:44
inzrm, you have the cpu graph plugin on os2008?09:45
inzrm, you compiled it yerself?09:45
rm_yougrabbed it from somewhere like 2 weeks ago09:45
rm_youor 309:45
GeneralAntillesosso-statusbar-cpu has been available for a while.09:45
leif__GeneralAntilles, nice icons btw09:45
GeneralAntillesThanks! Half stolen from Nokia. :D09:46
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inzGeneral, I though I never compiled it for 2008 (although I surely ported it over to the new API)09:46
GeneralAntillesThere's a deb out and about somewhere.09:47
leif__isn't there more than one statusbar-cpu applet?09:47
leif__i got the one i'm using (in 2008) from a repo iirc09:47
johnxthere's 'load-applet' as well09:48
johnxI think that's what it's called09:48
leif__ah that is what i'm using09:48
GeneralAntillesosso-statusbar-cpu 0.6.1chinook109:48
inzGeneral, any idea where it came from?09:48
inzFounds it09:50
inzGreat that someone has compiled it09:51
inzMaybe I should do it too09:51
inzp'haps later09:51
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GeneralAntilles'night, folks.09:53
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musikgoatwhats a good method to get ip information of a connection? n800/os200709:55
musikgoatno ifconfig in busybox :-(09:56
johnx/sbin/ifconfig :P09:56
musikgoatyeah? hmm09:56
johnxlet me guess, you're used to ubuntu?09:56
musikgoatmaybe my path is messed up09:57
johnx /sbin isn't in user's path by default09:57
inzand shouldn't be09:57
johnxnothing 'messed up' about that...09:57
musikgoatgood to know09:57
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johnxthere's also iphome if you want a nice GUI:
johnxdisclaimer: haven't tried it09:58
inzmusik, via UI the IP can be seen in the connection manager (menu->connection->ip address)09:58
rm_youi use WifiInfo09:59
musikgoatahh, thanks for that too09:59
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rm_youinz: where is that!?10:00
inzrm, where is what?10:00
rm_you<inz> musik, via UI the IP can be seen in the connection manager (menu->connection->ip address)10:00
inzrm, er, it's "internet connection", not "connection", but anyway10:01
inzrm, start connection manager (under settings) and open menu, "internet connection"->"IP address"10:01
rm_youwoah, never knew this app existed10:03
rm_youah well... sleep10:04
inzrm, well, it is pretty useless app10:04
inzrm, there's pretty much nothing there that couldn't be done via the sb applet or control panel10:04
inzrm, (except the IP address)10:04
rm_youfirst... opinion: would it be better for this release to have the volume slider do NO Beep, or do a beep on change, but possibly do multiple beeps >_>10:05
musikgoatwhats a suggested text editor for the term or that can get access to sys files10:05
rm_youand by possibly, i mean almost certainly >_>10:05
inzmusik, vi10:05
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musikgoatis vi in /usr/bin or downloadable?10:05
inzmusik, in /bin, it's busybox built-in10:06
corevettewhat is the verdict on OS 2007HE vs. OS 200610:06
musikgoatgreat, thanks10:06
leif__is there any particular reason why /sbin shouldn't be in non-root users' path?10:06
rm_you... it's Sbin10:07
leif__but lots of things in it work without being root... like ifconfig10:07
inzrm, do slider::changed { g_source_remove(timeout); timeout = g_timeout_add(500, pling, NULL); }10:07
Veggenleif: not really. except that programs there are deemed unnecessary for users to use.10:07
rm_youinz: it isn't a slider >_>10:07
rm_youok i see, nm10:08
inzrm, well, it something you get changed events from10:08
johnxsome programs in /sbin work as user but the rest are just cluttering your $PATH10:08
rm_youinz: what type is "timeout"?10:08
inzrm_you, guint, IIRC10:09
rm_you... is that C?10:09
rm_youslider::changed looks like C++ >_>10:09
inzrm, it was pseudoish10:09
rm_youi'm not sure how to use these functions tho...10:09
rm_youso it gives me a timer?10:10
rm_youi guess i'll look up the API10:10
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inzrm, yes, g_timeout_add gives you a timer, 500 milliseconds in this case10:11
inzrm, after which gboolean pling(gpointer) will be called10:11
inzrm, unless g_source_remove for the return value of g_timeout_add is called first10:12
inzrm, be sure to make the pling() return FALSE, otherwise you will get plingplingplingplingpling...10:13
inzrm, and when pling() is called, it should set timeout = 010:13
rm_youthis is too complicated for tonight <_<10:13
rm_youi will do it for the next release10:13
rm_youneed my sleep <_<10:13
inzyou need more caffeine10:14
rm_youmaybe >_>10:14
rm_youor actual sleep10:14
inzSleep is overrated10:14
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johnxs;eep is for the weak, you can sleep when you're dead :P10:14
inzor when you've run out of things to code10:16
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inz(usually the same thing)10:16
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rm_youlol yeah...10:17
* rm_you wears this shirt a lot:
* Tama^2 types: wget -o - | gcc10:21
Tama^2I get something about 'awake' and write_code being undefined identifiers10:21
rm_youwell, sleep time for me. so no more coding for a bit :P10:22
johnx'night rm_you10:22
inzTama, even if gcc supported stdin, you would get syntax errors, gcc probably doesn't understand wget log format10:22
rm_youlol pwnt :P10:23
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inzHrm, it backfired, wget -o doesn't actually interpret - as stdout but as literal '-'10:24
inzFortunately rm supports -- ;)10:24
Tama^2what is more annoying than a geek? and annoying pedantic geek :P10:25
* leif__ notes gcc also lacks OCR10:25
Tama^2and while you are at it.. the link pointed at the page not the image10:26
desrtinz; /dev/stdout?10:26
* rm_you uses -pedantic10:26
* rm_you sleeps! >_<10:26
inzdesrt, -O, which is the correct option, does support -10:26
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Tama^2anyway, I think gcc supports stdin10:27
desrtit does, but you have to give -x10:27
desrtbecause it has no filename extension to guess from10:27
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inzTama, indeed it does, but you need to tell it to read from it10:29
Tama^2ok ok but you know a joke is usually an unfaithful rendition of reality designed to induce laughter10:30
musikgoathope you can answer another (probly simple) question.  I'm trying to add the /sbin to the path by making a .profile directive, guess this doesn't work.  after closing and reopening xterm, and type $PATH, its only got /bin and /usr/bin,  what could I be doing wrong?10:30
inzmusik, trying to add sbin to your path?10:31
inzThat was meant to be a suggestion of what you're doing wrong10:31
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inzI guess xterm doesn't spawn login shells10:32
musikgoattried $PATH=$PATH:/sbin   in .profile in the home dir, would that be parsed?10:32
inzWhich makes it not use .profile10:32
johnxPATH=$PATH:/sbin is what you want10:32
johnxactually export PATH=$PATH:/sbin10:32
tank-manuse export10:33
musikgoatok, that worked10:33
musikgoatdoes export add it permenantly?10:34
johnxif you just ran that from a shell: no10:34
johnxwhat *exactly* did you put in .profile when it didn't work?10:35
musikgoatwhat i typed above, verbatim10:35
musikgoatshould i drop the $10:35
musikgoator add export10:35
johnxok, try putting exactly the following in .profile:10:36
johnxexport PATH=$PATH:/sbin10:36
b0unc3good morning10:36
johnxmornin' b0unc310:37
musikgoatsuccess, thanks johnx10:37
musikgoatand others10:37
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JaffaMorning, all10:47
leif__howdy Jaffa10:48
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maddlermorning all11:25
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ssafsahow do I find out the sudo PW for my device?11:27
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ssafsan810, to be specific11:27
maddleryou have to set a password for 'user'11:28
ssafsahow so?11:28
maddlerand then modify /etc/sudoers in order to allow 'user' to use sudo11:28
ssafsais "user" the default login?11:28
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maddlerfollow the "how to become root the easy way" on maemo.org11:29
maddleryou should find everyhthing you need11:29
ssafsaok, thanks11:30
ssafsapasswd was restricted, so I was about to ask :)11:30
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:33
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ssafsathese root instructions are for the 770.  is there anything more up to date?11:38
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hrwssafsa: 770 is old so why instructions had to change?11:40
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hrwah. sorry11:40
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maddlerssafsa: it will work in the same way...11:41
ssafsamaddler: if I do these instructions, would someone sshing into the device be able to gain root?11:41
parolkarHi , can maemo be used for nokia 530011:41
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ssafsaparolkar: nope11:42
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maddlerssafsa: that's why, if you go ahead reading, you have to change default root password... ;)11:43
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|tbb|morning all11:44
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ssafsamaddler: hmm, ok I was looking at "how do i become root 2" and not "how do I become root"11:44
ssafsamaddler: this 1 version makes more sense11:44
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maddlerthey are basically two different aproaches to solve same "issue"11:45
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maddlerchoose the one you feel more comfortable with...11:46
ssafsamaddler: without rtfm, is there a way to have no root user, but keep sudo enabled, a la Ubuntu flavor11:46
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maddlerpasswd -l root11:47
jkussafsa, there's always root. just remove root password so no-one can login as root11:47
parolkarHi , can maemo be used for nokia 530011:47
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ssafsaparolkar: nope11:47
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ssafsaparolkar: Nokia 5300 is an S60 device designed for an S60 platform.  Its hardware wont be supported by the Maemo platform.11:48
parolkarHi , is there any list of devices where people have tested/built maemo apps11:48
maddlerparolkar: and asking twice won't help ;)11:48
hrwparolkar: maemo works on nokias: 770, n800, n81011:49
maddlerparolkar: maemo, as of now, only works on 70/n800/n810 devices...11:49
hrwparolkar: and on nokia rx-48 which no one officially know what it is11:49
maddlerparolkar: before asking, please, give a look at www.maemo.org11:49
ssafsaWon't Maemo run on a desktop PC?11:49
ssafsaIt IS debian, right?11:49
parolkarhrw, maddler , thanks...11:49
hrwssafsa: it is not debian11:49
maddlerit is not Debian, it's aDebian derivate11:50
ssafsahrw: oops, my bad11:50
hrwssafsa: it is modeled on debian, it use debian tools but it is not debian11:50
maddlerslightly different..11:50
jkuit's not really a linux distribution anyway, so it doesn't run anywhere11:50
maddlerbtw... yes... ti could run on a PC...11:50
maddlereven it doesn't make so much sense to use it on a PC...11:50
ssafsayea, i figured... all the HW if's look the same11:51
maddlersince it is higly aimed at ITs11:51
ssafsabut wouldn't it be a super low memory footprint?11:51
maddler"HW if's"?!11:51
maddlerssafsa: there are many light distros around...11:51
maddlerwhich will run on low end hardware..11:51
ssafsamaddler: yea, but for the sake of douchebaggery...11:52
maddlergiving you a more comfortable environment11:52
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leif__many of the things in ITOS are not open source, and there are not x86 versions available11:57
maddlerleif__: right..11:57
maddlervasically it would make much more sense to have a minimal Linux install and use Matchbox as well as any other light window manager...11:58
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ssafsamaddler: but dont discount the douchebaggery factor of being able to say "i run maemo on my x86" etc11:59
ssafsamaddler: e.g. putting linux on an xbox 36011:59
maddlerssafsa: no one will stop you...11:59
ssafsamaddler: lol12:00
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leif__ssafsa, maemo isn't the whole OS the tablets run, it is just the SDK really12:00
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leif__the OS is called ITOS - Internet Tablet OS - and it is maemo + lots of proprietary stuff12:02
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tigruxHello guys.12:02
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tigruxI almost finished my pet project, a youtube browser and viewer for the nokia tablets.12:02
tigruxI need testers please.12:03
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tigruxssafsa: My internet at home is only 128kb upload.12:03
tigruxOk, i will copy the packages to my public_html.12:04
tigruxGive me a few secs.12:04
tigruxGuys, here are the debs.12:06
tigruxI can't upload to garage becase I'm not sure if the name I chose is legal or not.12:06
solmumahahow does it work? (can't test at work)12:07
tigruxHere is a screenshot:
tigruxsolmumaha: I read the developer site of youtube, and realized it can be accessed using pure python.12:08
ssafsahehe, your upload IS slow12:08
Blafaseltigrux: Let me guess - that site is hosted by your 128k upload ;)12:08
Blafaselssafsa: ;)12:08
tigruxsolmumaha: Also, the program youtube-dl made me realize we can get the flvs (flash videos) by using simple urlopen.12:09
tigruxBlafasel: Yea, I'm very cheap.12:09
Blafaseltigrux: Want some temp. web space? ;)12:09
tigruxsolmumaha: Also, I noticed gstffmpeg can decode flash video and gstplugins bad (flvdemux) can demux the videos.12:09
BlafaselLooks neat, though12:09
tigruxsolmumaha: And the rest was just programming. :)12:09
BlafaselI'll give it a try asap12:10
tigruxBlafasel: Please.12:10
solmumahalooks nice12:10
inzBlafasel, which isn't too soon ;)12:10
ssafsai like the screenshot12:10
solmumahayoutube-dl is nice, i use it for web based youtube -> mp312:10
tigruxThe usage is very simple: everything should work using only the 5-way action button.12:10
ssafsathe blue selection box is a little quirky, but the layout is straightforward12:10
Blafaseltigrux: Put it somewhere where we don't fight for your upload ;)12:11
tigruxssafsa: Yea, I have to make the buttons more screeny to make notice you are selecting them.12:11
tigruxBlafasel: Could you copy them please?12:11
tigruxI just finished the error dealing and the volume setup.12:11
maddlertigrux: I'll give it a try later today...12:11
inzThere's a temporary faster "mirror"12:12
solmumahatigrux: it uses the default media player to view those?12:12
tigruxBy the way, the application shoud work out of the box in an ubuntu with gstflvdemux and gstffmpeg.12:12
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maddlerseems interesting..12:12
tigruxsolmumaha: No, sorry. The playbin element is quite slow to type find the streams.12:13
tigruxthe source code is included in the deb.12:13
tigruxGuys, thanks yo maddler, please download from
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tigruxHas anyone taken a look? I was wondering what should be the name of the proyect.12:14
ssafsayoutube viewer for maemo would be a good name12:14
tigruxI guess youtube-viewer is illegal. :(12:15
inzssafsa, except that maemo cannot be used, and probably youtube neither12:15
tigruxI also used a propietary icon. :-/12:15
Blafaselinz: That's what I call fast ;)12:15
ssafsainz, mikä on sun nettipalvelus?12:16
inzssafsa, tenue12:16
tigruxBy the way, the program does not deactivate the screen dimming, does not preserve the history search, etc.12:16
pupnikinfinite hamster dance viewer12:16
maddlertigrux: yt-viewer?12:16
tigruxIt's is barebones stage. :)12:16
tigruxmaddler: Yea, could be.12:16
tigruxmaddler: The internal package it provides is named btw.12:16
tigruxmaddler: Please, tell me you already tried.12:17
maddlerhehehe... I don't have my N810 with me... :(12:17
inzBlafasel, at least it's faster than a 128k12:18
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tigruxPlease... could anyone install the packages from and give ideas/suggestions?12:19
tigruxyt-viewer sounds neat. :)12:19
jkutigrux, I'll take look in a minute12:19
Blafaselyt sounds always like Yellowtab to me..12:20
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tigruxI will also have to modify the icon. :-/12:21
michele_tigrux: just looking at the screenshots, a suggestion: make it easier to scroll12:22
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michele_tigrux: ideally, use MokoFingerScroll12:22
jkutigrux, icon in games-menu?12:22
tigruxmichele_: It already is, just use the action button.12:22
michele_action button?12:23
tigruxmichele_: You don't have to use the stylus at all, excepting to click on the category link.12:23
|tbb|are the videos playable with builtin mediaplayer then?12:23
tigruxNo, it uses its own embedded player.12:23
jkutigrux, crash after just few frames of playback12:24
tigruxjku: Eeek!12:24
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jkulooks like it works the second time though12:25
tigruxjku: What was the video you were watching when it crashed?12:25
tigruxjku: Because it has not crashed here.12:25
jkutigrux, sorry,didn't pay attention to that (I'll say if I notice the same video)12:26
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jkutigrux, how do I get out of full screen playback? hw button doesn't work12:26
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tigruxjku: You have to stop the video first.12:27
tigruxjku: Because it would crash.12:27
tigruxjku: No idea how to fix that yet. :(12:27
tigruxjku: Press backspace or the action button.12:28
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tank-mananyone else find mplauncher(mplayer) loads slow? (like its scanning for files) or is it just me12:28
jkutigrux,  I tried and "Error gstgnomevfssrc.c(731): gst_gnome_vfs_src_create(): pipeline0/src: Failed to read data: I/O error"12:28
|tbb|how smooth is the playback then?12:28
jkutigrux, the playback stopped and that dialog was shown12:29
tigrux|tbb|: Not smooth as I hoped.12:29
tigrux|tbb|: Some videos look choppy.12:29
tigruxjku: Damn! Tell me the name of the video please.12:29
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jku"Star Wars Paraphrase Theater: Tarkin n Friends"12:30
jkubut it seemed to be a result of my actions (madly trying to get out of full screen)12:31
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tigruxjku: Yes, the second video in the Featured. Right?12:31
|tbb|choppier as when i will playback it into microb browser?12:32
tigruxjku: How long could it play?12:32
jkumaybe a minute?12:32
tigrux|tbb|: No, of couse not. :)12:32
jkucould have been two12:32
tigruxjku: Strange, it finished here.12:32
jkulike I said it seemed to happen because of something I did12:33
tigruxjku: Is you network slow or the signal very weak?12:33
tigruxjku: Ohh... sorry.12:33
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jkutigrux, my connection is a bit on the slow side but shouldn't be the bottleneck here12:34
tigrux|tbb|: I actually started this project because I was envious of the ipod-touch users. :)12:34
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tigruxjku: What do you think of the GUI by the way?12:35
jkutigrux, crash or error if I select a movie (with enter) and then select it again before it opens12:37
tigruxjku: Let me try.12:37
tigruxjku: :D12:37
tigruxjku: You are right!12:37
tigruxjku: Thanks a lot!12:37
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tigruxjku: I will fix it before uploading it to garage.12:38
tigruxjku: Any other thought?12:38
jkutigrux, main screen is pretty good. Buttons should be bigger though, and it should be visible somewhere which mode I'm seeing (search/Featured/Top rated/...)12:39
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tigruxjku: The buttons bigger? You mean with more border size around them?12:40
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jkuvertically, I mean. they're not very high12:41
tigruxjku: Oki.12:41
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tigruxjku: Regarding the issue with full size mode and the going to unfullscreen... no idea how to solve it. :(12:42
* pupnik continues the dosbox performance testing12:43
tigruxjku: Also, I don't know how to avoid the screen go to sleep/dim.12:43
tigruxjku: Do you know where I can learn that?12:43
jkutigrux, maemomapper source?12:43
tigruxjku: Good point.12:43
tigruxjku: Wel... time to go to bed.12:44
tigruxIt's 4:43am and I have to work in a few hours. Eeek!12:44
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inzpupnik, can I nhl95 on n810?12:47
inzpupnik, hmm, it would need some custom mappings though, it uses alt...12:47
pupnikif it's a 95 game chances are no12:47
pupnik1981-1989 games generally do ok12:48
inzpupnik, it has the same game engine as nhl93 ;)12:48
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lardmanhi pupnik12:48
inzpupnik, but that doesn't help too much yet12:48
nibblespupnik: sorry, i just joined in the convo...  are you guys talking about mame roms?12:48
glassinz: those nhl's were released for some consoles too12:49
pupnikno, old dos games12:49
tigruxGuys, please install from and send your comments or bugs to tigrux|at|gmail|dot|com12:49
tony2001any idea what might be causing this: ?12:49
tigruxI want to fix visible bugs before posting to garage.12:50
ssvbtank-man: yes, it is scanning for files12:51
nibblesssvb: can you disable the option?12:52
pupniktony2001: sorry no.  but is that % allowed?12:52
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ssvbnibbles: no, you would not have a list of videos available to play in this case12:53
ssvbhow much time does it take to start for you?12:55
nibblesi dunno, i was just asking the obvious question12:55
tony2001pupnik: I don't think so. it seems to come from url encoding: ":" -> "%3a"12:56
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inztony2001, is the interpreter for the postinst script missing?13:01
inztony2001, (head /var/lib/dpkg/info/bison.postinst)13:01
inzOr preinst or something13:02
tony2001dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory13:02
tony2001dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/bison_1%3a1.875d-1osso_armel.deb (--unpack):13:02
tony2001do you think it complains about post-inst script?13:02
tony2001'cause it looks like it fails to find the package itself13:02
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jkutony read again: "unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory"13:03
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inzIt's preinst that it cannot run, probably due to a missing interpreter13:03
inzIt shouldn't try to run the file in the first place, if it didn't exist13:03
tony2001jku: well, it's sorta difficult to find a post-inst script in a package that doesn't exist =)13:04
tony2001btw, anyone interested in maemo port of GNU utils?13:11
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|tbb|r there any umpc out there which could replace a desktop pc (for standard use) ?13:13
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leif__|tbb|, maybe you should ask in #eeepc13:17
hrw|tbb|: not for me  - I am too used to 1680x1050 screen of my desktop13:17
inztony, ahh, true, you'd need to ar x and tar gz the control to investigate the preinst13:17
hrwtony2001: port? or just recompilation?13:17
inztony, on my ubuntu hardy, /var/lib/dpkg/info/bison.preinst says: #!/bin/bash13:18
hrwtony2001: and which GNU utils? findutils coreutils diffutils?13:18
tony2001it's a recompilation more or less13:20
tony2001similar to
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jku inz, that's somthing I've been wondering: should there be a "list of Debian 'Essential' packages that are not installed on stock ITOS"?13:33
jkuwould help checking hidden dependencies like this one13:34
jkuinz, you've packaged way more than I have: is this a real problem, or is it just bash?13:35
inzjku, I guess such list might help every now and then13:43
inzjku, otoh, i think there are no "bashisms" in the bison script13:43
inzjku, or, humm, might be, but nothing that couldn't be trivially fixed13:44
jkuyeah that's definitely a minor bug in bison13:45
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tony2001jku: want me to create a report about it?14:11
lardmanCould someone with scratchbox in front of them tell me the value of BUFSIZ and PATH_MAX please14:15
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pupnikboth blank in the idnt vmware sb14:17
lardmanah, they are defined in stdio.h I guess14:17
jkutony2001, if you're talking about the bison packaging bug, it's really minor (bash is an essential package, so it's just "unneeded bash use"). OTOH, at least ubuntu has been trying to get rid of unnecessary bash usage, so why not...14:17
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tony2001jku: just to clarify: "why not" == "fill a report @", right?14:48
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inztony, yeah, go ahead, the fix is trivial14:49
hrwok, who (from users of n810 and scandinavian keymap) know how to enter "? ?" chars from HW keyboard?14:49
jkuno, unless bison is a package from meant to be installed on device...14:49
inzjku, nevertheless, the package is broken ;)14:49
tony2001well, aren't they all?14:49
inzjku, even if the bug is an "enhancement," it can be reported14:49
jkutony2001, the development repo is not really14:50
jkubut inz is right, no harm in trying14:50
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inztony, don't expect wonders, but a bug never hurt anyone14:50
hrwshit. roken utf :(14:51
inztony, if you're up for it, add a patch and earn some brownie points ;)14:51
inzI usually only report bugs I can fix ;)14:51
jkutony2001, stuff in is not meant/tested to work on the device, even if some of it does14:52
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inzThe old saying about stupid questions kind of applies to bugs as well14:52
tony2001inz: I can add a working package instead =)14:53
inzExcept that in the time of the intternets, the "google it first" applies to both14:53
inztony, a patch is better, one that clearly shows what is wrong14:53
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hrw~hail xkb15:01
* infobot bows down to xkb and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"15:01
* lardman had hoped that writing some MATLAB to extract the satellite data from gps_last_saved_report would be easier than it is15:01
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jkulardman, do you mean nvd_data?15:03
jkulardman, I've got a bit of python that I've used to try reading nvd_data15:05
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Pretorianoanybody have ettercap on maemo?15:09
Pretorianoi know that is ported but i have a problem15:10
lardmanjku: Thanks, I've got MATLAB to read that one, but I wanted to compare the recorded satellite data saved in gps_last_saved_report with the numbers from nvd_data15:11
jkuso you know the format of gps_last_saved_report?15:12
lardmanoh yes, it's in gpsd15:12
jkuI haven't taken a closer look after seeing it's not ascii15:12
lardmanosso-gpsd that is15:12
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lardmanPerhaps I should just link against that and use their function rather than trying to conver it to MATLAB15:12
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tony2001jku: how do I do that?15:22
jkutony2001, you mean my comment on bugzilla?15:22
tony2001yup =)15:22
jkuwell, fix the postinst script (and check the maemo packaging guide if there's something else to do), create a garage project if you don't have one, and put the debs to garage15:24
jkuif you want to put it to extras, you need to ask for those permissions specifically15:25
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tony2001ahha.. so it's ok to have recompilations (not ports) in Garage?15:25
jkuif it works, it's ok...15:25
tony2001ok. I just thought it's meant for projects specially written/adopted for maemo15:26
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hrwsomeone has gconf-editor for maemo?15:36
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hrwkeyboards under maemo were desinged by ..... (any offensive word)15:39
Takooo, is it a guessing game?15:40
hrwI am going to be mad15:41
NaviWhat keyboard?15:41
hrwmoron which designed it should be shoot15:41
hrwNavi: its more 'how to add own keyboard layout for HW n810 one' then 'how to make layout'15:42
hrwlayout is quite easy when you get it. its pure XKB stuff15:42
hrwbut how maemo handle it is insane15:42
hrw1. create onscreen layout for your lang (I am fine with English one but had to copy it as pl_PL one)15:43
hrw2. reboot to get maemo notify that new lang layout exists15:43
hrw3. curse as my n810 has power bug so will boot after 1h of nothing15:43
hrw4. copy XKB layout to device15:44
hrw5. pray that VKB pl_PL was noticed15:44
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hrwwhen n810 will boot (if I will have time etc) I will check how it goes15:45
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TobotrasHi. Can you connect to internet (or LAN) via ad-hoc wi-fi?15:54
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hrwTobotras: why not? if one of adhoc machines will route packets...15:55
inzdns might be a problem15:56
Tobotrashrw: well, I'm checking routing on tablet and there is no default route while ad hoc connecting. I wonder if this is on purpose...15:56
inzAnd knowing which ad-hoc machine does the routing15:56
hrwbut doable15:56
TobotrasHow do I know my peer's IP?..15:57
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Tobotrasrude :)16:00
inzping -b?16:00
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Spakman_When installing or upgrading Modest I get presented with some release notes (very nice). Is there a standard way for me to implement this in the .deb file for my app?16:01
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hrwSpakman_: it is 'documented' on wiki somewhere16:03
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hrwTobotras: I used tcpdump once to get net from ethernet cable16:04
lardmanjku: ah-ha, in the osso-gpsd source there's a file called view_last_saved_report.c16:04
bhearsumnot sure if this is the correct place to ask...but i'm trying to get Python Twisted running on Scratchbox but having trouble getting it to find the host compiler when i run 'python build'16:04
hrwplug, run tcpdump to get network info, configure eth0 to network, find router, add route16:04
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bhearsumif i set CC/CXX it helps a _bit_, but still fails out16:04
lardmanjku: It spits out a dump of that file, including the satellites in view, which is useful :)16:04
lmourabhearsum, are you calling python2.5 explicitly?16:05
bhearsumlmoura: i'm trying to get it running on the stock python, actually (2.3)16:05
hrw~curse /apps/osso/inputmethod/available_languages16:06
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, /apps/osso/inputmethod/available_languages !16:06
bhearsumbecause 2.4 and 2.5 both throw qemu errors and crash a lot16:06
Spakman_hrw: I've not been able to find any references to it, but I'll keep looking.16:06
hrwSpakman_: look at modest postinst script16:06
Spakman_hrw: mega - thanks!16:07
bhearsumlmoura: i guess you have no ideas? :)16:09
lmourabhearsum, unfortunately, no =\16:11
bhearsumfair enough :)16:11
lmourathe same error appears in x86 target?16:11
bhearsumi haven't tried x8616:11
bhearsum'tis worth a shot though16:11
bhearsumi suspect the problem here is that python's module is being dumb with paths16:12
bhearsumbecause i can build other things OK16:12
bhearsum(but maybe they aren't trying to use the specific feature of gcc that python is)16:12
jkuSpakman, read the packaging guide
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jkuSpakman, you're looking for "maemo-confirm-text", I believe16:12
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bhearsumlmoura: but for the record, x86 has the same failure16:13
lmourausing python2.5 too?16:13
bhearsum( for those interested)16:13
bhearsumlmoura: sec16:13
bhearsumsigsegv on python2.516:14
jottbhearsum: python in sbox is kind of broken. for one, you should use the eabi qemu and then force python2.5 for python binary modules...16:16
jumpulaSBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python /usr/bin/python16:16
jumpulafor bypassing the host python16:16
bhearsumjott: this makes me sad16:17
jumpulasame goes for perl16:17
bhearsumjumpula: out of curiosity, what is the scratchbox redirect?16:17
jottbhearsum: well it's solevable ;) just do what jumpula says and get setup the eabi qemu16:17
bhearsum(is there a page somewhere about what exactly gets redirected?)16:17
bhearsumjott: what's eabi qemu?16:18
jumpulabhearsum: you mean like what does it or what? :)16:18
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bhearsumjumpula: i don't even know what it does16:18
jottah lmoura was faster :)16:19
jott(also looked for that link)16:19
Takawesome! @ patched qemu16:19
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hrwheh.. yet-another qemu fork16:22
* bhearsum is going to tackle this problem a different way, does not want to patch qemu16:22
jumpulabhearsum: echo $SBOX_REDIRECT_FROM_DIRS16:23
jumpulaecho $PATH16:23
jumpulaprimarily, all host tools are before target ones in path16:23
jumpulathere's a preloaded library which does the rest16:23
bhearsumso is it bad that i have 'export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:$PATH' in my ~/.bash_profile? (inside of sbox)16:24
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jumpulaie. calling /usr/bin/python will end up always in /scratchbox/tools/bin/python16:24
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jumpulayes, i think that's broken.16:24
* bhearsum comments it out, tries again16:24
jumpulathe SBOX_REDIRECT_FROM_DIRS will override those anyway16:24
jumpulaso i guess the result won't change16:25
bhearsumyeah, made no difference16:25
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jumpulaadjust the environment variable, either one to suit your needs16:25
* bhearsum isn't really sure what is going to meet his needs16:25
jumpulanote, though that ignore needs a complete path16:25
tony2001why does apt-get want to remove osso-software-version when I try to downgrade libpng12-0 ?16:25
jkuosso-software-version depends on specific versions16:26
jumpulaie. ignoring redirect from /usr/bin/python and executing python will still end up with host python16:26
jumpulayou need to call /usr/bin/python16:26
bhearsumi don't think that's going to work either, because of the qemu errors16:26
tony2001jku: so it's ok to remove it?16:27
bhearsumwhich causes sadfaces, but i suppose i can work around this16:27
bhearsum(i'm trying to get Buildbot going inside of sbox; i can probably just run it outside of it, however)16:27
jkutony2001, I _think_ so. I guess it's there just to prevent people from unknowingly changing from a Nokia-tested configuration16:29
jkuit has "Maemo-Flags: system-update" so removing may affect Application Manager experience...16:30
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tony2001I wonder where & when did I manage to get those updated package versions..16:34
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jkutony2001, on the device?16:36
jkutony2001, the ITOS releases sometimes have newer stuff than what the development repository has16:37
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tony2001yup, on the device16:40
tony2001ok, let's see if I can do it in the Right Way [tm], using that vmware thingie =)16:41
inztony, the os2008 distribution on should have same versions as the ones on the device16:42
inztony, chinook, otoh, sometimes has older versions16:42
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tony2001inz: what's the difference between os2008 and chinook? for some reason I thought that's just two diff names for the same thing.16:47
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SDuensinMorning all.16:53
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inztony, chinook is the sdk16:55
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inztony, whereas os2008 is the os on the device (which is based on chinook)16:56
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michele_oh I didn't know this distinction16:58
|tbb|anyone could help me to get internet working on tablet while its connected throug ubuntu workstation via usbnet16:58
inzit's not that much advertised =)16:58
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|tbb|inz: mean me?17:06
|tbb| <- if i would buy an umpc that one fits17:06
inz|tbb|, nope, previous conversation17:06
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SDuensinAnybody know exactly what switching the WLAN connection's power saving feature off does?17:07
TobotrasSDuensin: increase power consumption?17:08
inzAllows the wlan chip to sleep a bit if there's no outgoing traffic17:09
||cwSDuensin: with power saving on. when you aren't sending or receiving data the radio goes into a low power heartbeat mode17:09
SDuensinTurning off power saving finally got the N800 connected to my Mac's shared internet.  Stupid Mac.17:10
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||cwhas a side effect that receiving data comes with a little lag, but since running a server on a handheld is impractical, it doesn't really matter17:10
|tbb|okay inz: then plz help me to get internet while im on usbnet ;)17:10
lardman|tbb|: they're selling that on the fact that is has a virtual desktop!?17:11
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lardman|tbb|: too big and chunky for my liking17:11
SDuensinWith either of the two power saving settings turned on, it loses packets like mad.17:11
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|tbb|lardman but runs ubuntu native17:13
|tbb|which is the right way17:14
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lardman|tbb|: does it, ah, well not such a revolutionary feature then :)17:14
* lardman thought Windows XP was catching up17:15
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inz|tbb|, cannot, sry, I've no idea of it17:15
inz|tbb|, back in os2006 days you used a DUMMY connection, but nowadays I've no clue17:16
|tbb| <- transparent keyboard over the touch ;)17:17
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michele_and the keyboard looks awful to use17:19
hrwlardman: still collecting nvd_data files?17:20
SDuensinWhat's an nvd_data file?17:22
* SDuensin is new here.17:22
jkuSDuensin, input/output for gpsdriver17:23
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jkuSDuensin, apparently satellite data and last position data is saved there. May be useful for assisted GPS17:24
SDuensinAh.  No GPS in my new toy.  :-)17:25
* SDuensin has an 800.17:25
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pupnikSDuensin: you know ?17:28
SDuensinYea.  Been browsing there a bit.17:28
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lardmanhrw: yep, if you can provide the gps_last_saved_location file too.17:31
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hrwlardman: I can give you location and time17:32
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lardmanhrw: the location file contains a list of satellites, would be useful to see that too17:32
hrwlardman: ok - will grab new fix then17:32
MangoFusionnoahpad looks interesting. though bulky17:33
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lardmanjku: did you have any thoughts about the format of the 108byte blocks?17:42
jkunothing useful, the first byte is the sat number I guess, but anything else...17:43
lardmanFor my fix, gsp_last_saved_report says the following were in use: 01, 04, 11, 14; and these ones were presumably also visible: 17, 20, 23, 31, 1317:43
lardmanand the first bytes give me: 04, 11, 17, 23, 28 and lots of 0 of course17:43
jkuhalf matching :)17:44
lardmanyeah :)17:44
lardmanwell the almanac data may be retained, but I would expect to see all of the satellites in use in that set of data17:44
lardmanbut we don't17:44
hrwlardman: what about writing small app which connect to gps, get fix and then save all needed files?17:45
lardmanneeds more testing17:45
jkuI've been trying to at least find GPS week number or other timestamp somewhere, but haven't succeeded even at that17:45
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lardmanhrw: might be worth doing, and having a set delay between fixes to allow more satellites into view17:45
hrwlardman: should make gathering data easier17:46
jkuthe chip can handle at least 15 sats -- I know since gpsd starts complaining at that point17:46
hrwlardman: now I started maemo mapper, put n810 near window to get fix. then will have to close mapper, grab files...17:47
lardmanno time now though, but I'll take my MATLAB/script & gps_last_saved_file reader with me17:47
janoarwould you more upset if someone says nasty stuff loudly or in a low volume so you can only hear and others can't?17:48
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lardmanjku: I thought that 12 was the max possible in view at any point on the Earth's surface...?17:49
rm_youGeneralAntilles: I made you a junior developer :P not sure what that does exactly17:49
jkuyes, I think you're right, but devices seem to save the data...17:49
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jkuN810 is not the only one I've seen do that. gpsd had a hard coded limit, but they had to raise that17:50
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janoarwhat would you do if you had to sleep on the street middle of a rich nighborhood for being homeless and no money?17:54
lardmansleep in a magic pyramid to make myself rich17:55
Takwhat would you do if someone started asking pointless, hypothetical, offtopic questions in your channel?17:55
lardmanisn't that what everyone would do?17:55
lardmanTak: probably reply with stupid answers17:55
inzTak, I would concider digging my blessed +o boots of kicking up, but being too lazy to do it17:56
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janoarhow do snap out of lazyness when i am sleepy and have to go a long way or walk / work?17:57
LynoureUsually walking wakes me up quite well...17:57
tony2001did anyone try to set up the VMWare SDK image on 64bit Linux host?17:57
LynoureBut, if you like your job, or need the money, that ought to be enough to motivate you :)17:58
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pvanhooftko, I don't know who to ask .. where do I go if I want to lobby Maemo to include gio asap. Perhaps even a temporary standalone version (which I could port if necessary)?17:58
pvanhoofI want to start using it asap17:58
pvanhoofso if maemo would skip a glib version next time they upgrade their glib .. development of tinymail's new shiny api will be delayed by a full distro release17:59
pvanhoofs/skip/ decide to use an earlier version18:00
TakI would also like to request a newer glib version18:00
Takpvanhoof: I have it turned off in here, because infobot echoes me18:00
pvanhoofok :)18:00
Tak~lart myself18:01
* infobot duct-tapes myself to the floor and drools on him18:01
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janoardid you ever had a day where everyone was mean to you for months and ever years like 5 years everyday over and over?18:02
inzI find it much nicer to be able to use regexp substitute without any annoying bot interpreting it18:03
inzEveryone understands regexp ;)18:04
Lynourejanoar: I'd check the logic of the script... sounds like a faulty defined variable 'everyone'. The time handling also seems wonky.18:05
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mwaldronis kingston a good brand for a high performance sdhc card?18:08
* SDuensin likes Kingston.18:08
mwaldronnewegg has patriot and kingston 4gb sdhc cards (class 6)18:09
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zorannever missed, even some of their newer were formatted as fat in 16 it18:09
tony2001okay, running SDK on 64bit linux appears to be impossible.. =|18:10
* hrw avoids kingston18:11
SDuensinWhy's that, hrw ?18:11
mwaldronany particular reason hrw?18:12
lardmanAnyone know if GPS chips have fp units or are they fixed point?18:12
hrwit is hard to tell who made card - it can be toshiba, hitachi etc but sticker will tell 'kingston'18:12
mwaldronwell, yeah18:12
janoardid you ever intelltion hurt someone or tried to becasue of your own mental illness or shortcoming? what did you do after? like you almost hit the guy or you wanted to really kill him/her and felt that you could and you would if he/she made the wrong move?18:12
lardmanjanoar: I'm getting that feeling about you18:13
mwaldroneven sandisk has that problem. can get 2 cards same model  that both id as sandisk and one will be 2x faster caust iw as made in a different plant18:13
hrwand I have 2 microsd kingston cards which do not work in one of my phones18:13
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zoranhrw, I know sellers that say "nokia and kingston are bad match"18:14
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janoarlardman which feeling sir?18:15
|tbb|yeah, ive managed to get injection to work with the wlan adapter18:15
SDuensinActually, I have a 2GB MicroSD from Kingston in my 800 right now.18:15
TakI have all kingston cards18:15
hrwzoran: its nokia - its fic-gta0118:15
zoranI have all kingston and no complaints18:15
hrwits not nokia I meant18:15
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zoranhey, openmoko?18:16
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zoranfreerunner or neo?18:16
hrwgta01 is first version18:17
zoranhave you made some review on the net?18:17
lardmanjanoar: oh, you're not a bot, in that case I'm feeling it even more18:17
janoarjanoar mean an animal in my language18:17
zoranhrw, I'm wuite interested, but dunno where and how to start18:18
janoarjanoar mean an animal in my language18:18
zoranhrw, I know: buy first18:18
hrwzoran: - I made some posts about it18:19
zorank, gonna take a look18:20
Lynourejanoar: I think the channel would get bored if I jumped into that conversation, but I could talk about that in a /msg  after I come back from a walk18:20
janoarLynore people will be angry if you go in and out18:21
janoarLynore people will be angry if you go in and out too much18:21
hrw4/8 satelites and still 2d fix only18:21
* Tak /ignore18:21
mwaldronordered 4gb kingston. tnx :)18:22
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LynoureTak: yes, maybe I should too. thanks for the advice.18:22
* Tak shrugs18:22
janoarwhy does people get angry if you go in and out too much? especiall yme i am brown and ugly + skinny. even my own family like sister and mother was upset all the time. and eventually called police on me for no reason but the ovious becasu ei went in and out too much and walk around the house too much18:23
Nermalofftopic ?18:24
Lynourekonttori: I haven't tested your software yet, I'm not having luck finding suitable usb bits18:26
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pH5lardman: is the powervr mbx (lite) an arm processor on its own at its core?18:27
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pupnik"t's rather easy to explain why gcc-4 may seem slower than gcc-3, and O3 slower than O2 on some CPUs: Cache size. gcc-4's optimizer is way better, really. Unfortunately, many optimizations increase code size, and this can be a significant amount. So for normal builds, the gain of much better CPU optimization can easily be killed by more cache trashing, especially on low-cache CPUs"18:44
tony2001       -Os Optimize for size.  -Os enables all -O2 optimizations that do not typically increase code size.  It also performs further optimizations18:45
tony2001           designed to reduce code size.18:45
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GeneralAntillesrm_you, thanks! Mind if I make an announcement on ITT?18:48
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NaviGeneralAntilles, jajajaja!!!111oneoneone18:49
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lardmanpH5: I think so, yes18:54
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pH5cool. the pvr.ko module from the 2430 sdk contains a whole lot of arm code (with dwarf debugging symbols!) that probably just gets uploaded to the mbx, because it vanishes when i strip the module (down to 60k).18:54
lardmanpH5: ah, not necessarily an ARM processor, but certainly a processor18:54
lardmanpH5: I wondered about the change in size18:55
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lardmanseems odd that that code is contained in the kernel module though, rather than passed through the module from a binary blob?18:57
pH5let's take apart the module and see.18:57
pH5lardman: any idea where we could get the mbx (not lite) code from? are there flash images for some 2420 phones around?18:58
pH5I guess the kernel running on the chip is probably different18:58
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lardmanno, I've not seen any downloadable flash images, but with the recent releases for the N95 I wonder if there are some about now18:59
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hrwbye all18:59
lardmancu hrw19:00
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EnigmaCurryAnyone have a spare jaiku invite?19:01
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lardmanpH5: the other option, is to get someone with a filesystem browser (assuming they exist) to take a look for the appropriate files on the device19:02
pH5though they probably don't ship debugging symbols in production devices.19:06
pH5why is there no 2420 sdk?19:07
lardmantoo old?19:07
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|tbb|anyone noticed that if you stay on a website and fill out a formular (on microb) the cursor leaves the input box if you using the dpad to go to the end or beginning on the input box, thats very bad because if u try to del the last typed characters with the backspace key, u may leave the whole page because backspace key for microb works like a back button19:13
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hrw|gonelardman: maybe will be useful for you - it has 2d or 3d fix (was floating) + screenshot of maemo mapper with ~time and position + list of satellites in view19:21
lardmanthanks hrw|gone19:21
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lardmanpH5: how useful do you think a mobile phone image/files would be?19:28
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pH5lardman: no idea yet. I'll try to understand how pvr.ko loads the firmware code into mbx first.19:29
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lardmanI don;t have a phone unfortunately, but there are freeware filebrowsers, so it should be possible to obtain the binaries (from the Z: drive) and then do something with them19:29
lardmanthere are presumably some Symbian tools to allow disassembly/strings/etc.19:30
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pH5I don't have a 2420 phone with 3d driver either.19:32
janoardon't you look silly if you are getting bullied by others and they are just ignoring it?19:32
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janoardoes bullies know that they are bullying?19:38
NaviOf course not19:38
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lardmanpH5: The other option is the iPhone19:41
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janoardoes getting bullied makes me vulnarable to other people who i don't like and weren't bullying me to think that i can be bullied now and they start disliking me and bully me too?19:43
pH5lardman: unless there is some SoC specific register setup in the blob19:43
pH5the iPhone has some samsung part, right?19:43
lardmanYeah, with a PowerVR MBX added on19:44
glassyeah some samm soc iirc19:44
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lardmanbbiab, relocating to home19:46
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Takcrap, how do I get a stack trace for an arm binary?19:46
janoarhow do i stand up to a bully? what does stand up mean? if you stand up can't you get hurt?19:47
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glasslardman|gone: getting files off from a n95 isn't really a problem19:49
glasslardman|gone: doing anything useful them yeah i'd imagine being very problematic19:49
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: lol sure19:56
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: As soon as I fix the volume control beep, add some sort of options thing, and do some extensive code cleanup, i'll release a 1.0 :)19:58
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rm_youWhen I load a plugin, it runs its plugin_init() constructor function and does all the setup... do i need some sort of destructor function to free up all the memory i allocated / destroy all the widgets i created when it unloads? or does it do that automatically20:01
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MangoFusionhmm, anyone here happen to know which version of X is used in OS2008?20:04
MangoFusionah i see20:07
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pupnikthose are old btw20:07
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* lcuk raises a beer glass to the sun. another nice day. more deluded animals thinking its spring20:17
lcukevening pup :) im goin playing in vmware now, i may be some time20:17
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Zero_Doggis there any way to get the gtk2+hildon python bindings within scratchbook?20:23
lmouraZero_Dogg, what do you mean? install them?20:25
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Zero_Dogglmoura: yeah, can't find them in apt-cache in the default scratchbox20:26
lmouraZero_Dogg, you need to enable the extras repository20:26
Zero_Dogglmoura: aha, bah :)20:27
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rm_youAny idea how I make a plugin close itself (like if it detects a failure to allocate memory or somesuch)? return doesn't seem to work, and exit() gets me a ton of complaints from the compiler >_>20:32
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lmourarm_you, is there any destroy function in the plugin api?20:36
rm_younot that i saw20:36
rm_youbut i only REALLY investigated the sample stuff20:36
lcukyou are passing a parameter into exit() arent you? every example ive seen needs one20:36
rm_youyeah... and i think it works20:36
rm_youbut it complains a lot20:36
lcukwhats the complaints?20:37
rm_youand in my experience, when the compiler complains, it's generally a good idea to listen20:37
lcuklike a woman20:37
rm_youadvanced-backlight.c:84: warning: implicit declaration of function `exit'20:37
NaviOr at least pretend you're listening20:37
rm_youjust that20:37
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rm_youit has ALWAYS done that to me when i use exit()20:38
rm_youbut it has also always worked20:38
NaviNever does it for me.20:38
NaviI always pass EXIT_SUCCESS or EXIT_FAILURE20:38
rm_youwhat's exit() part of? what include?20:38
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MangoFusionbah, my sneaky plan to use xrandr to rotate my N800's screen backfired. no randr extension. darnit. oh well ;)20:39
lcuk#include <stdlib.h>                  /* For exit to be declared */20:39
rm_youeh, complains less with tha :P20:39
rm_youi wonder why it WORKS even without that tho <_<20:39
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Navistdio has it's own declaration, I think.20:40
Naviimproper, of course20:40
lcukbecause you could call a function called int anything_in_rm_you_s_wildest_dreams()  and the compiler will build it20:40
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lcukhowever if it cant be linked then its big troublwe20:40
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rm_youlcuk: i mean, i've always gotten that warning, and it's always run and worked, and exited properly :P20:41
NaviMangoFusion, no xrandr extension? Sucks.20:41
lcukbecause the linker is clever20:41
lcukit takes the definition you used and happens to find a match, if it COULDNT find a match at linking stage then you would have a problem20:41
Navian improper exit() is declared in stdio20:41
Navi(I think)20:42
lcukanyway,          stageleft.exit(1)20:42
lcukback soon20:42
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* Navi waves .o/20:42
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Naviof course, it's always better to use the exit() in stdlib.20:43
* lcuk kicks his vmware box and wireless network and internet connection sharing and ip address allocation scheme and throws it all away and becomes a monk20:43
lcukdid you know, a monk is a jedi without a lightsabre20:44
lmourarm_you, I don't know if exit would work. AFAIK, all plugins belong to the same process. Wouldn't calling break stuff?20:44
rm_youmaybe :/20:44
rm_youi need to figure out how to unload it properly <_<20:45
lcukbut what happens if the unload code has an error and crashes?20:46
pupnikanybody from finland here?20:46
* Navi wishes he could make stuff.20:46
pupnik  is this even remotely true? (sfw)20:46
GeneralAntillesKnowing the Soviet army during WWII, probably.20:47
GeneralAntillesLook at their losses taking Berlin.20:47
GeneralAntillesThat was fighting old men and children.20:47
lcukyes it is20:48
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MangoFusionanyone here successfully cloned their OS to an SD card?20:56
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rm_youMangoFusion: johnx has debian booting from an SD card :P21:01
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MangoFusioni've got it booting from sd fine. just that the mounting of the fat partition on the internet card seems weird, and the file manager thinks its corrupt21:02
Takrm_you: will that work on os2007?21:02
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rm_youTak: well.... i'm not certain... :/ you could try compiling it21:03
rm_youTak: you using OS2007 on an n770?21:03
MangoFusioni.e. i can mount it from commandline with mount over the external card (both end up being mounted on /media/mmc1)21:03
MangoFusionon my N800 btw21:03
rm_youonly the n800/n810 support those backlight levels in hardware :(21:03
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rm_youTak: wait... i may be wrong21:05
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rm_youre-reading it currently :P21:05
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rm_youTak: if you open a terminal as root and do: "chroot /mnt/initfs/ dsmetest -l #" where # is some number between 1 and 12721:07
rm_youif the brightness level changes correctly, then my program will work.21:08
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alteregoIt'd be nice if there's an accelerometer in the N810.21:26
alteregoMaybe that could be a possible easter egg :D21:26
Cptnodegardthrow it into the wall and see :321:27
alteregoErm .. Not quite what I had in mind :P21:27
alteregoI was thinking of one of those marble puzzles. Where you have to guide a marble through a maze and into a hole.21:27
lcukwiimote + duct tape = instant fun21:28
michele_lcuk: even just the nunchuck would be enough21:29
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lcukwould be simpler to get a small usb powered device - surely now they should be no bigger than a plug21:30
robtaylor+ some hacking ;)21:30
dtahtbot`robtaylor: Error: "some" is not a valid command.21:30
robtaylordtahtbot`: you're stupid21:30
dtahtbot`robtaylor: Error: "you're" is not a valid command.21:30
GeneralAntillesmichele_, you still need a Wiimote with the nunchuck.21:30
* corona . o O ( ... ) 21:30
alteregoThe nunchuck has a accelerometer, you don't strictly need the remote for that ..21:31
lcukdepends if you are gonna dremel the sensor out of it and glue it onto 81021:31
GeneralAntillesYou gotta interface to it and power it.21:32
lcukusb supplies 5v 100ma21:32
robtaylorlcuk: not on an n810 it doesn't21:32
rm_younot from the n800 it doesn't >_>21:32
rm_youlol jinx21:32
michele_GeneralAntilles: you don't
robtaylorrm_you: heh21:33
lcukhow do i run my keyboard then?  100ma is the startup power, 500ma is "full" usb power21:33
michele_the arduino pins provide 20mA21:33
rm_youlcuk: your keyboard lies to you? >_>21:33
lcukall USB OTG devices must supply enough power to get a device going, its just not usually enough to run the stuff21:33
michele_and that's enough21:33
GeneralAntillesYeah, yeah, michele_, but the straight Wiimote is still a lot easier. :P21:33
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michele_GeneralAntilles: I'm not sure21:34
lcukdo they make wonky wiimotes?21:34
robtaylorlcuk: ah, good point21:34
lcukmichele, of course it would be simpler cos you just use bluetooth21:34
GeneralAntilleslcuk is right 100mA.21:34
robtaylorthough rm_you is right, as n800 doesnt do OTG21:34
michele_lcuk: oh.. you have a point21:34
rm_youwell, it does sorta21:35
lcukn800 with os2008 isnt identical hardware wise?21:35
lcuki thought it was21:35
rm_youbut it isn't REALLY designed to21:35
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rm_youit CAN do OTG with a kernel hack and some other stuff21:35
rm_youbut it wasn't really designed for it21:35
lcukUSB OTG = adjusted "normal" mode usb where to client devices can talk and one decides to be the master without a full system21:35
GeneralAntillesI don't think there's any difference in the USB setup between the N810 and the N800 aside from the port.21:36
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lcukso an OTG camera can talk to an OTG printer21:36
lcukwithout a computer21:36
lcukand lots of other nice things :)   (like using 810 with usb devices)21:36
rschusterI have an gtk-application that should run on a maemo-based device and allocates an area which is too big for the screen (720,420) on n80021:37
rschusterthis page[0] says: "The area left for the application is 672×396 pixels."21:37
rschusterhow do I get the size/extents of the "skin graphic area"?21:37
rschuster[0] -
rschusterprogrammatically :)21:37
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rschusterlcuk: great, thats it. ;)21:37
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rschusterlcuk: looks future proof as 640kb is enough for everyone :)21:38
lcukwhen i see a futureproof theme on ANY system i will come back and buy you a beer ;)21:38
lcukcode for today and dont worry about tomorrow21:39
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lcukif you design it too well when will you get repeat sales?21:39
Takrm_you: "brightness reqyest sent!"21:40
Tak...although the brightness didn't appear to actually change...21:40
rm_youTak: hrm...21:40
rm_youTak: try with a few radically different numbers <_<21:41
GeneralAntillesI was under the impression that OS2007 didn't have the interface for changing the brightness without a modified kernel.21:41
robtaylorTak: what are you trying to do, ooi?21:41
TakI'm at the lowest brightness; I entered 12721:41
keesjI think there where only 15 levels or so21:42
Takrobtaylor: determine whether rm_you's display control applet will work on os2007he21:42
keesjbut again, I think , therfore I am ......... a  human21:42
* lcuk demands keesj takes a turing test21:43
Takhmm, doesn't build without modification because of the hildon api break21:44
rm_youTak: adv-backlight?21:44
robtaylorTak: on OS2007 you should just be able to poke HAL21:44
Takif I get time to port it, I'll submit a patch ;-)21:45
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rm_youkk :)21:45
Tak~lart HAL21:45
* infobot does a little 'dpkg -P HAL' action21:45
rm_youi can already detect platform21:45
rm_youso i can easily integrate that21:45
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robtaylormm, doh, i'm getting my years muddled21:45
lcukrm_you, may be an idea to look directly at the framebuffer:   omapfb_show_bklight_level    and     static ssize_t omapfb_store_bklight_level21:46
rm_youlcuk: hrm21:46
lcukdifferent approach21:46
rm_youcan i do that!? :P21:46
rm_youthat would be much better if possible, imo21:46
lcukive been looking around there myself at other sections and noted them, i thought "hmmmmm rm has been workin with that" ...21:46
rm_youheh well21:47
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rm_youwhat API can i find those in?21:47
lcukthe omapfb of the kernel but so far things work in user space if i compile them up, it might not work at all but i saw the fns21:47
lcuk(this isnt file name, but was automatically given when i extracted from web interface) drivers-video-omap-omapfb_main.c21:48
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rm_youso what would i include / how would i run those functions / where are they documented?21:52
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lcukso far, the kitchen sink / with ninja calls / i think there might be a readme somewhere.      im not sure yet.  the omapfb is the interface to the direct hardware, stick with the documented api for now until you run up against a brick wall21:54
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SDuensinJaffa!  Kree!21:57
rm_youJaffa: does that ever get old? :P21:57
* SDuensin is sorry. He's new here.21:58
Jaffarm_you: nah. explaining the nick predates SG1 does though, so won't this time ;-)21:58
rm_youJaffa: how's the media encoder thing going? :P21:58
rm_youstill updating that?21:58
JaffaSDuensin: no probs, always nice to get a welcome21:58
rm_youbeen distracted with my own projects recently, haven't been following it21:58
Jaffarm_you: yeah, mediaserv needs a new release, but tablet-encode's got a shiny GUI (well, non-shiny but GUI) on Linux too21:59
pupniklcuk: more performance goodness!  drawing with dsp, codecs via dsp, midi synth via dsp, faster blitting with sdl! :)21:59
* pupnik plays the internationale21:59
lcukshit yer!21:59
* Jaffa wonders if anyone's going to JavaOne in May but hasn't booked yet. I've got a refer-a-friend code begging to be used ;-)22:00
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Jaffalcuk: It'd be a remarkably small, and boring, conference!22:01
lcuklol, but you could get some big speakers22:02
* Jaffa 's got some which are small and powerful in his lounge: size doesn't matter ;-)22:03
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rm_youJaffa: where is it? :P22:10
* lcuk is currently somewhere in the kernel drowning22:12
Jaffarm_you: San Francisco.22:13
lcukwill you pay travel expenses?22:13
rm_youJaffa: hrm... when in May? :P22:13
Tama^2Hello folks22:13
Jaffarm_you: 6th - 9th.22:14
* Jaffa is arriving on the Sunday to ensure plenty of sight-seeing22:14
rm_youi wonder what my schedule is like22:16
rm_youI may have someone to stay with in SF if i went :P22:16
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rm_youhello kikka :)22:18
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lcukwhen i scp from my vmware box to my 810 it always asks me for my password on 810, how can i get it stored?22:19
lcuk"scp filename root@"22:20
alteregolcuk, use ssh keys.22:20
lcukfirst time it gave authentication things, talking about RSA fingerprints etc, and did i want to save it22:20
alteregoThat's normal, every SSH server has it's own RSA/DSA key depending on what version of the SSH protocol is being used.22:21
lcuki know these keys exist, but where do i get one from and where do i put it?22:21
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lcukits got the RSA fingerprint for the device22:21
rm_youssh-keygen -t dsa22:21
rm_youi think22:21
alteregoYou need to create a private and public key pair, copy the public key to the node you wish to access and the private key on the machine you're talking from.22:21
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rm_youand then throw ~/.ssh/ into the other machine's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys222:22
rm_yousec, let me give you a link that i always use22:22
lcukuntil then i will be asked password every time with no way round22:22
alteregoI use: cat ~/.ssh/ | ssh sh -c "cat | /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys"22:22
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kikkaCan I run Skype on my n770?22:23
alteregoErm ..22:23
lcukwould this work within the vmware/scratchbox environment22:23
alteregoI use: cat ~/.ssh/ | ssh sh -c "cat >> /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys"22:23
alteregoShouldn't be a pipe from that cat to the file :D22:23
lcukits ok, i couldnt do a pipe on my 810 anyway22:23
rm_youshows how to do it22:24
rm_youignore all the stuff about MPI :)22:24
|tbb|rm_you: abl well done!22:24
rm_you|tbb|: :P thanks22:25
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lcuk_2is windows a norty word?22:25
|tbb|now you have to combine it with backlight of keyboard ;)22:25
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rm_you|tbb|: lol, if i knew how to do that :)22:26
alteregoYou can't do a pipe? It's in the special symbols panel ..22:26
rm_you|tbb|: don't even have access to an n810 for testing22:26
lcuk_2it never shows up by default and i hate the way it flickers my windows when it does finally arrive22:26
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|tbb|if i install python runtime does it run any daemon which cost me memory of my tablet while no python application running?22:31
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lmoura|tbb|, no, it doesn't22:33
lmourait's only a meta-package22:33
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|tbb|k thx22:35
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lardman_pH5: right, I've finally got the code in front of me22:38
GeneralAntillesI wish they had benchmarks for mobile processors like they do for PCs.22:39
lardman_pH5: why do you think that there is code being uploaded? Could it not just be debugging info for the kernel module itself? Or do you think it's too much (diff between stripped & unstripped)?22:39
lardman_GeneralAntilles: nbench?22:39
GeneralAntillesWell, like I can get on google with a processor model and get all sorts of charts and graphs (mostly meaningless, but still).22:40
GeneralAntillesCan't get the same in the mobile world.22:40
lardman_ah, well you can for a few select models...22:40
* lardman_ looks for the benchmark info from the openmoko list22:41
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pH5lardman_: I'm absolutely sure that there is ARM code not in .text etc. sections that is stripped away.22:43
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pH5that this code is uploaded to the mbx is an assumption so far, but I dare say one that would make sense.22:43
lardman_pH5: ok, I was just wondering22:44
lardman_~lart Google for being very very slow22:44
* infobot slaps Google around with a large trout for being very very slow22:44
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pH5this whole omap memory access thing is highly confusing to me.22:45
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|tbb|anyone using the youtube-viewer which was posted today in #maemo22:45
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lardman_GeneralAntilles: sorry for the delay, took some searching22:46
GeneralAntillesOh, sweet. Thanks, lardman_.22:46
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lardman_GeneralAntilles: see if it's the kind of thing you're after; doesn't do graphics speed mind you22:47
|tbb|if so, do i have to install the gstreamer packages which on inz, mirror also?22:47
lardman_pH5: the whole lot was quite confusing; I started working through it from init_module22:47
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lardman_pH5: but it looks like the structure has been flattened, either on purpose or by the compiler22:48
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lardman_that list of source files looks good22:49
lardman_if only22:49
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pH5lardman_: how do we go about analyzing this best? I have started writing down notes and some equivalent C code for select functions, but even the measly 60k of remaining linux module are quite a bit of work to reverse.22:54
pH5maybe I should start to make a list of registers accessed.22:54
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lardman_pH5: I started, but eventually one gets to a huge function into which the code jumpt in and out22:55
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lardman_I suppose if it's all reveresed someone could make sense of it, but it was bloody confusing22:55
pH5lardman_: ah, welcome to the world of compiler optimization :)22:55
pH5lardman_: maybe we should make a list of functions and share notes to avoid duplicated work22:56
lardman_:) yes, well I'm pretty new to all this, but it's an interesting topic so am keen to learn :)22:56
lardman_the other problem with this 'optimised' code is that it's going to be quite hard to work out the main parts without doing the whole lot22:57
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lcuk_3we should be looking for code patterns22:58
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lcuk_3which os is this module for?22:58
lardman_Linux 2.6.14 iirc22:58
lcuk_3is this the old powervr driver for the agp cards?22:59
sxpert_that's *oooold*22:59
pH5lcuk_3: ARMv6 gcc-3.422:59
lcuk_3or deffo for the proper mbx on arm22:59
pH5lcuk_3: from the omap2430 powervr mbx lite sdk22:59
lardman_but the code does mention both mbx and mbxlite, and the omap2420 sdk link pointed to this code, so there is a chance it's common23:00
lcuk_3and its just a blob23:00
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lardman_it's a kenel module23:00
lardman_kernel even23:00
pH5including a lot of debugging symbols, so disassembling works quite nicely and all the global variable names are still there.23:00
lcuk_3whats the exporttable like?23:01
lardman_220 functions23:02
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rm_youlcuk_3: so many clones :P23:02
lcuk_3cant keep em away23:02
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lcuk_3its either a hacker on my machine or ntl are screwing up again23:03
* lcuk_3 preloads "hot babes" folder with goatse just in case23:03
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lcuk_3ph, i might want a looksie at that in a few days if you dont mind.  but first i must find out other things23:05
unique311_one more again, anyone got a wiimote to pair with the tablet?23:05
lcuk_3unique311_, doesnt handle that lot already?23:06
unique311_pyaxelwii doesn't seem to want to pick up my wiimote23:06
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unique311_cannot concatenate 'str' and 'NoneType' objects23:07
unique311_from the terminal when i run pyaxelwii23:07
rm_youunique311_: i just dealt with that error a lot in something else i'm working on. maybe I could take a look and tell you what might be causing that. did it tell you which lines?23:08
unique311_no lines23:08
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unique311_switchonbt should add this line to etc/sudoers  ---> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/hciconfig hci0 up'23:09
unique311_but /usr/sbin/hciconfig is no where to be found23:10
lcuk_3have you installed bluez stuff?23:11
unique311_bluez-utils-test: Depends: bluez-utils (= 3.20-0osso2) but 3.22-0osso2 is to be installed23:12
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cyberholicHello everyone!23:12
cyberholicGood night i mean :)23:12
unique311_i think my repos are all screwed.23:12
unique311_bluez-utils is installed23:13
jkuunique311_, chinook may have different versions than OS200823:13
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cyberholicHey to everyone: i have just finished the second issue of the ATARASHI ezine for the maemo plattform... who wants to see it!?23:13
jkunot sure if that's the problem here23:13
cyberholicCan i post the link in here so that you guys can test it out!?23:13
unique311_jku, chinook is not os2008?23:13
jkuchinook meaning dev environment, OS2008 meaning what you have on device23:14
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cyberholicWho wants to test out the new atarashi maemo ezine!?23:15
cyberholicIt is only 6 MB big23:15
cyberholic:( ...  no so much enthusiasm people! .lol.23:16
cyberholicjku... would you like to test it out?23:17
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lcuk_3holy smoke!23:18
cyberholiclcuk: lol... what happend?23:18
lcuk_3make and deploy in one script, can i run as well?23:18
jkucyberholic, post the link23:18
lcuk_3i make in scratchbox and scp over to device, can i run it too?23:18
lcuk_3with 1 single small well defined shell script?23:19
cyberholicjku: thanks a lot - maybe you or someone else could tell me the best way to distribute it easier as download. I thought about a .deb file but do not know yet how to make that.....23:19
cyberholicthe link is
cyberholicWould be great if you could tell me also if the finger-sliding solution works fine with you....23:21
jkua magazine as a .deb? sounds likea a bad idea23:21
glassdoes it have muzakkk?-)23:21
cyberholici know, but if i offer the .swf file, the browser opens it on my maemo.... glass: not yet :)23:22
jkuI'm not on the tablet ATM, so might not be a good tester23:22
jkucyberholic, what's wrong with that?23:22
glassseems like flash23:22
cyberholicjku: as it is made with flash you can downlad and test it on your pc browser23:22
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glassjku: why not just link the flash direct on the page, or at least have a link23:22
glassso a link to the page to a file tha returns with right mimetypes would be nice23:23
cyberholicjku: the problem is that i want to offer it as download, so that people can download it and read it while offline. but if they click the SWF file, the browser opens. So i had to choose the complicated way that you must rename the file.... the reason is that i want to offer it as download, as upcoming issue shall have video and musik and each issue could get nearly 20 mbs and more23:23
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glasscyberholic: still, having the option wouldn't be too bad23:24
glassextra line to the page23:24
jkucyberholic, flash == online content, I think you just need to deal with that or change your delivery format23:25
lcuk_3nahhh, its the maemo way ;) he wants a job at nokia so is giving us example hurdles23:25
jkuas a user I'm not going to start renaming files to read a online  mag23:26
cyberholicglass: yeah... you are right. unfortunately the flash preloader does not work yet correctly so that people would not see the process of loading. If a lot of maemo users like the ezine, i will continue it and put more work into it. at the moment i am just testing out how the usage is working like.23:26
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cyberholiclcuk: lol. nah. i do not want a job at nokia, because they would never ever allow me to develop my ideas :)23:26
lcuk_3what happened to ep1?23:27
cyberholicjku: you are totally correct. that is why i would like to deal with some kind of "installer" solution so that a "usual" user that is not into *nix, debian or whatever can easily install the ezine.23:27
glassflash isn't that bad for offline mag like things23:27
glassbut downloading like that and renaming is a pain23:27
glassif you had a proper app that would update the mag whenever in wifi area or such23:28
glassthat would be nice23:28
lcuk_3it would have to be tightened up pretty hard23:28
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lcuk_3cyberholic, i like the page flipping, im running on my desktop and with mouse and it does feel good - you are an iphone fan23:31
jkulcuk_3, OTOH, as a non-iphone-user I had to learn a new UI to  read it23:31
lcuk_3same here23:31
lcuk_3but it feels nice23:31
lcuk_3with mouse anyway23:31
lcuk_3i dont like the dropdown menu thing from top i couldnt get back to page i was at23:32
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elbcyberholic: if you want people to be able to download it, all you have to do is bind swf to application/octet-stream in your .htaccess23:32
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elb(unless the flash plugin is even more broken than I would suspect)23:32
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cyberholic5356back again... i was for some reason kicked :(23:33
elbcyberholic: if you want people to be able to download it, all you have to do is bind swf to application/octet-stream in your .htaccess23:33
elb(unless the flash plugin is even more broken than I would suspect)23:33
lcuk_3cyberholic, i like the page flipping, im running on my desktop and with mouse and it does feel good - you are an iphone fan23:33
lcuk_3i dont like the dropdown menu thing from top i couldnt get back to page i was at23:33
cyberholic5356ok. i know how to make the htaccess.... is that the only line that must fit in there!?23:33
lcuk_3i thought close would close the lot so i clicked content23:34
elband atarashii has two i's23:34
elband no stress23:34
cyberholic5356lcuk: thanks a lot. nah... i am not realy an iphone fan but the first issue with the "real flippingpage" effect took too much power out of the maemos heart :) so i had to find an other solution and think that i found it with this sliding.....23:35
lcuk_3cyberholic, basic thing here, you have a decent idea for layout, but you are missing out on so much, build your site up, show maemo tech demos play around: PUT OYR EZINE ONLINE and link with google adwords - every page should be sponsored by bloody google, you are missing out on a fortune23:35
cyberholic5356alb: i know :) but i was afraid that everyon not knowing that would think of it beeing a WII ezine by nintendo ;(23:35
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lcuk_3it looks like you are a google employee - every page has their name on it23:36
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cyberholic5356lcuk: i know... i was producing a sports ezine for nearly 12 months with a friend and all we had was not a cent of income but thousands of hours of work :( ... if you want to, you can see it at http://beta.endorphinum.de23:36
lcuk_3(and why cant i even click link to open a popup with search results?23:36
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cyberholic5356i am working on that!23:37
cyberholic5356do you think that google thing is ok or shall i put it without the links?23:37
lcuk_3i expect to be able to click on words if they tell me to google them, especially on a tablet23:38
lcuk_3especially with a swf web application (*even if it might be offline)23:38
cyberholic5356correct! i hope i can manage that without disturbing the sliding-script23:38
lcuk_3at the very least you should allow us to copy text of them23:38
MangoFusionbah, make sports blog with good content23:38
MangoFusioni bet that would get viewers23:38
cyberholic5356mango: what do you mean?23:38
cyberholic5356ah, sure, but that is not very unique :)... have you opened the Beta-Sway ezine? You won`t find another sports magazine like that out there!23:39
lcuk_3also, if you shrink the browser window to 800x<480  as you near 0 height you can see infinite pages!23:39
* lcuk_3 speed reads23:39
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MangoFusioni'm just thinking with a blog readers can easily plonk it in an RSS reader and not have to remember to visit the site every X days for an update ;)23:40
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cyberholic5356mango: that is correct but our aim was to "slow" down the usual sports-surfer. That is why there is also the "real flipping page effect" - that is very user unfriendly but brings more the feeling of reading and relaxing into it.23:42
edistarwhats the n810 keyboard like?23:42
glasscyberholic: who wantst to slow down though..23:42
cyberholic5356me :)23:43
elbedistar: you'll have to be more specific23:43
edistarcyberholic5356: whats your ezine about?23:43
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cyberholic5356edistar: wich one do you mean? Beta-Sway is for  urban sports athletes like runners, cyclists etc. And atarashi i sooner or later want to make as a monthly maemo ezine that you can download.23:44
edistarelb: can you type fast, are the keys nice to touch or do the wobble, do they always react etc23:44
lcuk_3why would a call to getenv(...) fail when i run a command with root ssh vs the same command run with root putty?23:45
elbtyping fast is ... relative; the keys feel nice to me, and they have reasonable feedback; they always react23:45
edistarcyberholic5356: good luck:) if I remember I'll read it too23:45
edistarelb: thx23:45
cyberholic5356edistar: thanks. the second issue is just online since a few hours.23:45
elbthe key quality is very mobile-phone-like, but it's good quality mobile phone key23:46
elb(better than my wife's nokia phone ;-))23:46
edistarcyberholic5356: where to get the software and mag?23:46
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cyberholic5356edistar: you do not need a software. the mag is viewable at
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indolenthi people is there a way to stop n800 from turning off the wlan device if it is not associated with any Access point. I am using iwlist to scan the wifi channel, however i figured out that it starts to fail  when association with AP is lost .23:51
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indolentand iwconfig showed that device is powered down23:52
jkuindolent, yeah I had the same problem23:53
jkuI scan with my own code, and there I just reinitialize the interface whenever scanning fails23:54
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indolentjku, how do you reinitialize?23:54
jkubasically set  flags |= (IFF_UP | IFF_RUNNING)23:54
cyberholic5356jku... do you have an example for the "force download"? i just developed the htaccess file but it does not work.. i googled now and saw that i can even add it as "type" in an a href but both ways do not work.... can you help me?23:55
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jkuif that says anything to you...23:55
jkucyberholic5356, sorry I haven't been following that discussion. Maybe you're thinking of someone else?23:55
cyberholic5356oh sorry :( *shame on me*23:56
indolentjku, where do you set these flags . sry i am not so familiar with n800 programming23:56
jkuindolent, I'd guess that restarting iwlist scan would do the trick?23:56
leif__Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv6l; fi-FI; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20080206 Firefox/3.0a1 Tablet browser 0.2.9 RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_0.2008.06-1023:56
leif__(seen in my access_log for
jkuleif__,   :)23:57
leif__also an en-GB version23:57
indolentjku: no. once the device is powered off, iwlist starts to complain that no device found23:57
leif__both appear to have installed the lcars theme... i wonder if it works in diablo :)23:57
leif__anything known about RX-48 yet?23:58
jkuindolent so scanning doesn't work if you're disconnected?23:58
jkudoesn't work at all?23:58
indolentjku: yes .23:58
jkuoh, ok. then iwlist scan does something different from what I do23:58
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indolentjku, when i get disconnected from an AP scanning fails23:58
jkuindolent, that's sort of expected: someone shuts down the interface23:59

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