| elb | t_s_o: what seems to be the problem | 00:02 |
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| t_s_o | nothing much :P just wondering about how big the different elements will be on a screen like that... | 00:02 |
| elb | that depends on how many pixels you use to render them | 00:05 |
| lcuk | super smooth unaliased lines :) | 00:06 |
| lcuk | with correct focusing you could almost put it up to your eye and turn into maemoworld | 00:06 |
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| fysa | I want to try one of those fresnel lenses to turn it into a 10" screen ;) | 00:09 |
| fysa | anyone have experience with | 00:10 |
| fysa | the BTMicro mouse? | 00:10 |
| fysa | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheappleblog.com%2F2005%2F04%2F24%2Fmacally-btmicro-portable-mouse%2F&ei=9nWvR_ufMoq-hAS17-Ub&usg=AFQjCNGDPXYwBi8hgVEBZgnq-XboOFGmuw&sig2=rPxWJE0CHT-GPnJ_dJ-K8A | 00:10 |
| fysa | http://www.radtech.us/Products/BT500.aspx | 00:11 |
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| fysa | http://www.724deal.com/wireless-bluetooth-finger-mouse-1248.html | 00:16 |
| fysa | .. I wonder how you click. | 00:16 |
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| fysa | this would be perfect if it was bluetooth.. http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-15489-The+USB+Mouse+Pad+by+Evergreen+%21%21.html | 00:17 |
| elb | looks like you use your thumb | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | fysa, that looks cool | 00:18 |
| fysa | think I will try that BT-500. has good reviews and can use two AA batteries (i.e., alkaline to last forever..) | 00:19 |
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| fysa | sorry, two AAA | 00:20 |
| Navi | Haha, sexy | 00:20 |
| Navi | Mouse+Gamepad :D | 00:20 |
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| Tama^2 | ls | 00:23 |
| Tama^2 | ih ih | 00:23 |
| Tama^2 | Hello | 00:23 |
| Tama^2 | (too many windows open) | 00:24 |
| pupnik | 'if it were' is the proper use of the subjunctive, not 'if it was' | 00:24 |
| pupnik | syntax error fysa | 00:24 |
| Tama^2 | pupnik: true, but soooo many people use 'was' when speaking that gets me confused | 00:25 |
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| pupnik | me hands Tama^2 a case of trout ammunition | 00:30 |
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| pupnik | broken, stupid language that reduces descriptive power and accuracy is not to be accepted without resistance | 00:31 |
| pupnik | :) | 00:31 |
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| Tama^2 | yes, everyone should do like the French xD | 00:32 |
| Fang64 | drop their IQ level? | 00:35 |
| Tama^2 | Not sure about that, I was referring to language protectionism ;) | 00:39 |
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| ryoohki_ | does the n8?0 suspend or hibernate? i'm using os2008 on a n800 | 01:03 |
| ryoohki_ | also, how do you highlight/cut/paste text with an800 since there is no keyboard with which to ctrl x/ctrl c/ctrl v? | 01:04 |
| Tama^2 | neither, but it has a very low power idle mode | 01:04 |
| ryoohki_ | how do you set idle mode then? | 01:04 |
| Navi | automatic | 01:05 |
| Tama^2 | you leave it idle.. :) | 01:05 |
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| ryoohki_ | ok | 01:06 |
| Proteous | you can copy and paste by highlighting the text then click on hold on it with the stylus and select copy | 01:06 |
| ryoohki_ | what about cut-n-paste on the keyboardless n800? | 01:06 |
| Proteous | selecting it with the stylus | 01:06 |
| ryoohki_ | when i try that an "icon" appears of a circluar arrow momentarily | 01:07 |
| Proteous | double tap and drag to select | 01:07 |
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| ryoohki_ | ok | 01:07 |
| ryoohki_ | i try that, thanks! | 01:07 |
| ryoohki_ | you know, i'm trying to install pymaemo for mworldclock and i can't find it any where, either as installed or installable under application manager and everything is checked off correctly under app manager > tools ... | 01:08 |
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| ryoohki_ | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mclock/ | 01:09 |
| Tama^2 | if the app you are installing lists it as a dependence then it's pulled in automatically | 01:11 |
| Tama^2 | f you want to install only pymaemo I think you have to become root and use #apt-get install | 01:12 |
| ryoohki_ | ok | 01:12 |
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| lcuk | can i put the machine into a locked state from the console? as in exactly what happens when i slide the lock. | 01:15 |
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| Tama^2 | I think it is possible via dbus but it is not documented | 01:16 |
| lcuk | hmmmm, cos then i wouldn't need to get it out of its cradle just to lock it | 01:16 |
| lcuk | i know it unlocks when keyboard slide occurs, and relocks if you close it again, but it doesnt lock if you have used the keyboard whilst open | 01:17 |
| lcuk | Tama^2, have you got any documentation on it? | 01:17 |
| lcuk | ;) | 01:17 |
| ryoohki_ | it keeps sayiong "unable to install"!! | 01:18 |
| Tama^2 | nope, sorry | 01:18 |
| lcuk | ill have to start poking | 01:19 |
| lcuk | poke 58554,2 | 01:19 |
| lcuk | poke 58555,2 | 01:19 |
| lcuk | [NO-CARRIER] | 01:19 |
| ryoohki_ | it keeps sayiong "unable to install mClock" but no why or what i might do about it!!!!! | 01:20 |
| lcuk | try it from the command line and see what other info it gives | 01:21 |
| lcuk | (is not an expert) but i think its something like "apt-get install mclock" with the gui installer closed. someone tell me if thats correct? | 01:22 |
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| leif__ | anyone here use xforwarded apps on their tablet much? | 02:12 |
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| fysa | I just set it up last night. | 02:35 |
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| leif__ | fysa, got any good way to do text input? | 03:13 |
| leif__ | i've got xvkbd and matchbox-keyboard, but neither really seems usable | 03:14 |
| leif__ | i suppose on an N810 the hardware keyboard would make it easy | 03:14 |
| fysa | I use synergy.. ;) | 03:14 |
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| leif__ | does that mean that you aren't actually entering text using the touchscreen then? | 03:32 |
| leif__ | or does synergy work with the hildon keyboard somehow? | 03:32 |
| leif__ | yay, i'm able to get xforwarded apps to use the LCARS theme by running sapwood in Ubuntu :) | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Synergy means you're using your laptop/desktop's keyboard. | 03:36 |
| fysa | I use my N800 as a third monitor via synergy and X11 forwarding | 03:37 |
| fysa | but I ended up doing it through the KDE debs. | 03:37 |
| leif__ | thats what i thought, just wanted to make sure | 03:37 |
| fysa | get regular windows and a real mouse cursor | 03:37 |
| fysa | and can use the KDE desktop widget virtual keyboard | 03:38 |
| leif__ | oh, i haven't tried that one yet | 03:38 |
| leif__ | i don't think i'm going to unless i can do it without installing lots of kde stuff though | 03:39 |
| fysa | it was cake.. | 03:39 |
| fysa | you just need 2GB for it though. | 03:39 |
| fysa | it's debs. | 03:39 |
| leif__ | klavier? | 03:39 |
| fysa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14680 | 03:40 |
| leif__ | i'm installing that now, only needed 11 other packages | 03:40 |
| fysa | it has a dynamically resizable virtual keyboard | 03:40 |
| fysa | built into KDE I think. | 03:41 |
| fysa | firefox works very well. | 03:41 |
| fysa | haven't tried it away from home yet .. ssh -C may help. | 03:41 |
| fysa | kvkbd | 03:41 |
| fysa | http://pan4os.info/pics/kvkbd.png | 03:41 |
| leif__ | i was disappointed by the grabanddrag on firefox on n800 | 03:42 |
| leif__ | i like it a lot on the desktop though | 03:42 |
| fysa | not responsive? | 03:42 |
| fysa | seemed OK -- I don't use kinetic scrolling as much as scrolling multiplier though | 03:42 |
| fysa | i.e., move your finger 10 pixels, 3x scrolls it 30 pixels | 03:43 |
| leif__ | scrolling down works ok, though a little jerky, but i couldn't get the inertial scrolling to work when scrolling up | 03:43 |
| fysa | just to nullify the scrolling treadmill problem of the internal browser | 03:43 |
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| leif__ | just on n800, with a mouse it works great | 03:43 |
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| fysa | yes. mouse with KDE on N800 is very nice. | 03:43 |
| fysa | I will order a BT mouse and hunt for a travel case this week. | 03:44 |
| leif__ | will a BT mouse "just work" when paired? | 03:44 |
| fysa | I have a business trip later this month -- last time I relied on hildon and a keyboard, but KDE and a mouse/keyboard will be much more productive. | 03:45 |
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| fysa | You need "icons.tar" to enable the mouse cursor in KDE, and then a mouse polling program. It's a bit of a hack because of problems with the built-in X server, but penguinbait seems to be using it fine. | 03:46 |
| leif__ | i'm not so interested in filling my memory card with KDE stuff... but I'm tempted to try the debian armel chroot trick again to see if that has improved any | 03:46 |
| fysa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15389 | 03:47 |
| fysa | You should get a mouse that 'just works' in debian armel. | 03:47 |
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| fysa | I agree, that is a much better long-term solution. | 03:47 |
| fysa | I wonder if you could carry two N800s.. | 03:48 |
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| fysa | and synergy between them ;) | 03:48 |
| leif__ | hmm klavier over xforwarding fills the screen just like xvkbd does | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dual head! | 03:48 |
| fysa | dual-head IT. | 03:49 |
| fysa | yes, that's what KDE fixes leif.. | 03:49 |
| fysa | you get a regular window manager. | 03:49 |
| leif__ | matchbox-keyboard doesn't though, instead it fills the lower half and stays up over all programs until killed | 03:49 |
| leif__ | yeah i get that :) | 03:49 |
| leif__ | i want to keep using the matchbox window manager though | 03:50 |
| fysa | http://youtube.com/watch?v=uIiP7D3cg7Y | 03:50 |
| leif__ | some forwarded programs actually show up in the task navigator now | 03:51 |
| leif__ | gimp and firefox among them | 03:51 |
| fysa | nice | 03:51 |
| leif__ | if only i had keyboard input i'd be all set | 03:51 |
| Proteous | here's a tech tip free of charge: enabling DMA mode on a DVD drive makes transfers much faster | 03:53 |
| leif__ | s/ on a DVD drive / / | 03:56 |
| leif__ | that youtube video doesn't encourage me to run KDE on the tablet... especially when konq opens and everything draws slowly | 04:00 |
| leif__ | i see the appeal, but i get the impression it is plenty slow | 04:00 |
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| leif__ | maybe i'll try it when i get a new SD card though | 04:01 |
| leif__ | is it possible to use the flash plugin from ITOS in KDE? | 04:03 |
| fysa | haven't tried | 04:06 |
| elb | "Lost my stylus, so I'm using a piece of dried spaghetti here" <-- classic | 04:07 |
| Proteous | heh | 04:07 |
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| elb | I didn't realize that KDE could be started from the standard Hildon UI | 04:14 |
| elb | I assumed that one had to choose one or the other | 04:14 |
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| ryoohki__ | anyone here have a2dp working for mplayer? i need it for the train to/from work. | 04:41 |
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| ny7owl | My N800 running OS 2008 recently stopped downloading applications via the app installer, I can still install using apt-get. | 05:17 |
| ny7owl | I would like to fix the installer, anyone see this ? | 05:17 |
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| leif__ | what does the log say? (Menu -> Tools -> Log...) | 05:44 |
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| ny7owl | which log | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Menu -> Tools -> Log... in Application Manager . . . | 06:17 |
| ny7owl | sorry saw that after just looking at it now | 06:17 |
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| ny7owl | Thanks, for some reason the internal card got remounted read only | 06:25 |
| Tama^2 | read or write errors | 06:26 |
| ny7owl | that doesn't sound reassuring. Is there a log for that somewhere ? | 06:26 |
| Tama^2 | run dosfsck against it | 06:26 |
| Tama^2 | dmesg | 06:27 |
| Tama^2 | type dmesg in the console | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably corrupted. | 06:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | N810? | 06:29 |
| ny7owl | n800 | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Read only typically means the filesystem is corrupted | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check it. | 06:29 |
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| fysa | elb: It shuts hildon down first, but yes, it's setup very well. When you end the KDE session, it dumps you back into hildon. | 06:49 |
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| leif__ | regarding my earlier comments about klavier: i was mistaken | 07:25 |
| leif__ | it does fill the screen, but it also puts a toggle switch for itself in the statusbar panel | 07:26 |
| leif__ | so it is actually usable with hildon/matchbox for providing input to xforwarded apps after all | 07:26 |
| leif__ | and to local apps, too, even though klavier is itself being xforwarded | 07:28 |
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| gm | is there DGA support in maemo? | 07:49 |
| gm | seems to be missing files and there's no package in the repository | 07:49 |
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| Epeloon | Hi | 08:34 |
| Epeloon | i have a question about wireless connecting using PEAP. Can someone help me with that? Thanks. | 08:35 |
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| johnx | What's the question? | 08:35 |
| Epeloon | Thanks | 08:36 |
| Epeloon | I used the normal wireless manager to connect to my university network | 08:36 |
| Epeloon | which use PEAP and MSCHAPv2 | 08:36 |
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| bottlecap | Hey all | 08:37 |
| Epeloon | The connection works and i get the message: "You are connected to the network" | 08:37 |
| Epeloon | BUT, i can't open any website. Skype sign but all my contacts are offline even if they are online, and i can't even call a normal phone number | 08:38 |
| Epeloon | So, i get the message i'm connected but i'm not? Thank you for your help. | 08:38 |
| johnx | I don't know much about PEAP, but there is a thread here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12343&highlight=peap | 08:38 |
| johnx | maybe something in that thread will help? | 08:39 |
| bottlecap | I am just going to throw this question out there and if you guys can answer it, awesome! I am looking for flasher.app for the mac, but bleb.org is now. does anyone have a backup copy? | 08:39 |
| Epeloon | johnx> Thanks. I've already read all the topics about PEAP on IT | 08:40 |
| johnx | ah, sorry :/ | 08:40 |
| Epeloon | Most of them have a worst situation. They can't get the connected message. I get it but no internet :) | 08:41 |
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| johnx | Epeloon, if you run /sbin/ifconfig from the "X Terminal" line does it show you have an IP address | 08:41 |
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| Epeloon | actually, i didn't tried it much. Probably not | 08:42 |
| Epeloon | can i use a line command to start dhcp? | 08:42 |
| johnx | yes, but if it claims you're connected usually that means it thinks you have an IP address already | 08:42 |
| Epeloon | hmmm... i guess so. But, some people in other websites say that even if they are connected they can't get an IP address | 08:43 |
| johnx | well either way, it would help to see what's not working | 08:44 |
| Epeloon | so, if i use ifconfig and i get no ip, what can i do in this case? | 08:44 |
| johnx | you could try to run udhcpc -i wlan0 as root | 08:45 |
| johnx | and see what error it gives | 08:45 |
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| Epeloon | ok | 08:46 |
| Epeloon | i'll do it tomorrow and see | 08:46 |
| Epeloon | i hope i'll get some errors | 08:46 |
| johnx | good luck | 08:47 |
| Epeloon | Thanks john | 08:47 |
| Epeloon | good night | 08:47 |
| johnx | 'night | 08:48 |
| bottlecap | Hey johnx do you have any idea where I could find that program flasher.app? | 08:48 |
| johnx | not really | 08:48 |
| johnx | all Linux machines here | 08:48 |
| johnx | it looks like archive.org has a copy of the website but not '770flasher-2.0.dmg' | 08:48 |
| bottlecap | yeah. | 08:51 |
| bottlecap | I have never felt like "damn all I have are Mac boxes" except for now | 08:51 |
| johnx | you can use the command line app without problems... | 08:51 |
| johnx | it's just one command | 08:51 |
| bottlecap | O | 08:51 |
| bottlecap | I've tried both of the command line flashers and they give me error messages, | 08:52 |
| Epeloon | is it here no? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php | 08:52 |
| bottlecap | yup | 08:52 |
| Tama^3 | bottlecap: I use VMware on my mac to run the linux flasher | 08:52 |
| johnx | isn't there a CLI app? | 08:52 |
| Tama^3 | yes the mac os one is broken | 08:52 |
| bottlecap | Tama ohhhhhhhh | 08:52 |
| * johnx might be confused | 08:52 | |
| Tama^3 | at least it does not work for me | 08:52 |
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| johnx | nevermind then :( | 08:52 |
| bottlecap | Thanks though Johnx | 08:53 |
| Tama^3 | it barf about not recognizing the device type | 08:53 |
| johnx | sure, though I'm 0 for 2 today in terms of actual helpfulness... | 08:53 |
| bottlecap | yup yup | 08:53 |
| Tama^3 | I suspect it does not support N8x0 | 08:53 |
| bottlecap | I have an 770 that I want to put the OS2007HE on | 08:54 |
| bottlecap | I am downloading Ubuntu to boot off of that then use the linux installer | 08:56 |
| johnx | for a 770 the Nokia command line flasher might work | 08:57 |
| bottlecap | oh? | 08:57 |
| johnx | it's worth a try | 08:57 |
| bottlecap | the one that's just labeled "flasher" | 08:57 |
| bottlecap | on the mac os x? | 08:58 |
| johnx | yeah, I think it's 'flasher-2.0.macosx' | 08:58 |
| bottlecap | yeah that one fails too :( | 08:58 |
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| johnx | that one *should* work on the 770 | 08:59 |
| bottlecap | I get this error message | 09:00 |
| bottlecap | USB device found found at bus 003, device address 005-0421-0105-00-00 | 09:00 |
| bottlecap | Sending request 0x01 failed: Unknown error: -1 | 09:00 |
| bottlecap | NOLO_REQ_GET_STATUS: Invalid argument | 09:00 |
| bottlecap | Device status query failed | 09:00 |
| johnx | http://www.tonotono.net/ua/nph-.cgi/000000A/http/www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/12/14/nokia-770-voip.html | 09:04 |
| johnx | ^ that guy seems to get the same error unless he holds down the home button during the flash ^ | 09:04 |
| bottlecap | cool I'll check it out | 09:09 |
| leif__ | yeah i saw an n810 flashed with flasher-2.0.macosx recently, just had to hold down the home button while turning it on | 09:09 |
| bottlecap | Yeah I still fail, it sucks but in 2 minutes I'll have a live version of Ubuntu | 09:12 |
| bottlecap | but it's also 1AM here so I think I'm going to pack it in for the night, thanks for all the help all | 09:12 |
| johnx | sure, no problem | 09:13 |
| johnx | I wish that my help was actually helpful | 09:13 |
| bottlecap | you pointed me in the right direction and that works for me johnx | 09:13 |
| johnx | :) | 09:13 |
| johnx | g'night | 09:13 |
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| sfire | I am considering buying a n800 and I would like to know if any of you know if its compatible with the motorola razor cell phone? I have the data package with my service and want the n800 to get the internet service it needs through it | 09:20 |
| johnx | I don't have a razr (or any bluetooth phone) but it seems like it is compatible based on what people are posting here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ | 09:21 |
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| Proteous | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/BluetoothDUN | 09:22 |
| Proteous | not the most up to date list but good to check out | 09:22 |
| johnx | I imagine whether you can let the N800 access the internet through your phone may depend on the data plan you have and whether it supports 'tethering' | 09:22 |
| sfire | is this channel mostly for development issues or just the maemo platform in general? | 09:24 |
| jku | sfire, it's the only one, so... | 09:25 |
| Proteous | little bit of everything | 09:25 |
| johnx | well, no one's told me to shut up yet, so I assume anything goes... | 09:25 |
| Proteous | lol | 09:26 |
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| sfire | I'm just kinda feeling it all out before I purchase one.. Been using linux for about 6 years now and saw the n800 and instantly wanted it | 09:27 |
| sfire | does anyone here happen to know the wireless chipset used? | 09:28 |
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| timely | sfire: i think wikipedia has decent docs | 09:28 |
| timely | (or not) | 09:29 |
| sfire | I've looked there but doesn't seem to have much info | 09:29 |
| timely | actually, some of its information is wrong | 09:29 |
| jku | sfire it's conexant | 09:30 |
| timely | it lists os as 2007, it should list 2007/2008 | 09:30 |
| timely | (imo) | 09:30 |
| jku | sfire cx3110 is the model IIRC | 09:30 |
| sfire | ahhh cool it works in monitor mode :) | 09:31 |
| leif__ | afaik the wireless driver is not completely open | 09:31 |
| leif__ | but yes, monitor mode does work | 09:31 |
| johnx | and with a patch enough of Linux WE 18 can be enabled to make wpa_supplicant happy | 09:32 |
| leif__ | huh? i think the ITOS does WPA without wpa_supplicant | 09:33 |
| leif__ | what is WE 18? | 09:33 |
| johnx | leif__, it does, but for some really odd WPA setups you may need wpa_supplicant | 09:33 |
| johnx | WE 18 is wireless extension version 18 | 09:33 |
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| leif__ | oh i see on ITT someone explains that 'The N800 offers TTLS security out of the box. But it allows only the authentification protocols "EAP-GTC", "EAP-MSCHAPv2" and "MSCHAPv2" in combination with TTLS.' | 09:37 |
| sfire | I commonly use a wireshark (network analyzer) would that be something that can be ported easily? (sorry if n00b question) | 09:37 |
| leif__ | ... "Nokia doesn't support PAP with TTLS in any of their mobile devices." | 09:37 |
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| leif__ | i haven't seen a port of wireshark, but it seems like it shouldn't be difficult | 09:38 |
| jku | sfire, I believe it's working already (not sure if anyone packaged it) | 09:38 |
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| sfire | I may be able to ditch my laptop and just use this :) | 09:39 |
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| Proteous | it works pretty nicly for anything that doesn't need a keyboard | 09:40 |
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| johnx | ah, is wireshark the thing that used to be called ethereal? | 09:40 |
| leif__ | yeah | 09:40 |
| sfire | yes | 09:40 |
| johnx | aaah...BTW just installed wireshark in Debian on the N800 | 09:41 |
| sfire | thanks johnx.. that just sealed it.. I'm going to order one right now | 09:41 |
| leif__ | johnx, are you using a chroot with a vncserver? | 09:41 |
| johnx | sfire, hey, check whether it works in the default ITOS first... | 09:42 |
| johnx | I don't want to mislead you... | 09:42 |
| leif__ | i tried that once but something broke when I apt-get upgraded and I haven't got around to trying again | 09:42 |
| johnx | leif__, nope, just booting Debian off of an SD card | 09:42 |
| leif__ | what?! | 09:42 |
| leif__ | i didn't realize that was possible yet | 09:42 |
| sfire | it can run the full debian? | 09:42 |
| leif__ | still with nokia's kernel though, right? | 09:42 |
| johnx | leif__, still built from Nokia sources but with some more things enabled | 09:43 |
| johnx | sfire, well, that's what I'm working on...it's kind of rough because some of the power saving stuff is closed source | 09:43 |
| johnx | my wiki if anyone is interested: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 09:43 |
| leif__ | wow | 09:44 |
| leif__ | thanks! | 09:44 |
| sfire | bookmarked :) | 09:44 |
| rm_you | johnx: i still need to set that up | 09:44 |
| johnx | and there are other people getting maemo packaged nicely for Debian...so I fully intend to have my cake and eat it too :) | 09:44 |
| leif__ | yeah, i've seen that... | 09:45 |
| leif__ | too bad so much of the ITOS isn't open source :( | 09:45 |
| johnx | it's not *that bad* ... but yeah, a lot of the things make me really angry | 09:45 |
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| johnx | "Does your brightness applet really contain that much proprietary information?!" | 09:46 |
| leif__ | I really wanted our LCARS theme to run on other devices, but the left side of the main "elbow" part consists of a bunch of closed source plugins to hildon-navigator | 09:46 |
| rm_you | johnx: lol, was just going to say that :P | 09:46 |
| leif__ | it isn't proprietary information... it is just that they wrote it in-house | 09:46 |
| leif__ | most of the open packages from nokia weren't started by them | 09:46 |
| johnx | really? I thought they started hildon and maemo? | 09:47 |
| zuh | johnx: What level of video support are you planning on achieving? | 09:47 |
| leif__ | well maemo is an umbrella over the whole thing, yes. | 09:47 |
| michele_ | johnx: most of the user apps have no point in being closed. I think they do so mostly to not have to support having a community, which always a good chunk of work. | 09:47 |
| timely | maemo doesn't really know what it is | 09:47 |
| johnx | zuh, hmm? | 09:48 |
| zuh | johnx: Or better yet, audio... | 09:48 |
| michele_ | johnx: you have to deal with lots of people in the mailing list telling you how to do this and how to do that | 09:48 |
| leif__ | hildon is the main thing they started that is open | 09:48 |
| leif__ | but almost all of hildon-desktop's plugins aren't! | 09:48 |
| timely | hey, isn't there a hello-world that's open? :) | 09:48 |
| leif__ | on the left side, the menu that lists apps is the only open one | 09:48 |
| johnx | zuh, Nokia's x server is open source. The Debian guys will package it eventually (or maybe someone else will) but for now I just repacked the .deb with the right dependencies. It works fine | 09:49 |
| zuh | Well I guess video (Xv support to be exact) isn't a biggie, as the Xomap would be possible to assimilate into debian, but what about those nice gstreamer dsp plugins that, although being open source, one cannot recompile? | 09:49 |
| johnx | audio...I'm working on. It involves borrowing a lot of Nokia's close source stuff | 09:49 |
| zuh | Yeah | 09:49 |
| rm_you | johnx: video == necessity :P | 09:50 |
| johnx | zuh, I'm mainly concerned with making this work so that it's attractive enough that other people get interested in handling some of those "little details" | 09:50 |
| johnx | leif__, yeah, I'm running into more and more of that as I go :/ | 09:51 |
| leif__ | i was looking at their calculator app... the engine behind it is LGPL, so of course their GUI is closed | 09:51 |
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| * zuh would appreciate at least user-space OSS solution for audio, the decoder sinks are basically worthless anyway | 09:51 | |
| rm_you | johnx: ouch... is the DSP code closed? for basic mp3 decoding? | 09:52 |
| sfire | I use Kontact currently.. will it synchronize with that? | 09:52 |
| timely | leif__: do you want the source for the calculator app? | 09:53 |
| timely | the app really isn't that great, you're much better served writing your own | 09:53 |
| leif__ | lol | 09:53 |
| leif__ | not really the point | 09:53 |
| * timely shrugs | 09:54 | |
| timely | there are a limited number of eyeballs | 09:54 |
| timely | i'd rather they find something useful to fix | 09:54 |
| timely | writing a new calculator would be more useful than trying to fix the one that already exists | 09:54 |
| timely | not to mention you'd need a new ui design | 09:54 |
| leif__ | does it need fixing? | 09:54 |
| johnx | top | 09:54 |
| johnx | gah...wrong windows :/ | 09:55 |
| leif__ | before i realized how closed the whole thing was, i thought maybe i could run most of the ITOS on non-nokia hardware | 09:55 |
| timely | leif__: i'm not a fan of various behaviors in the calculator | 09:55 |
| leif__ | i don't really care about the calculator as much as all the plugins for hildon-desktop | 09:55 |
| * timely chuckles | 09:55 | |
| zuh | rm_you: All dsp tasks are closed, yes. The GStreamer plugins that use them are open, but depend on proprietary headers so you can't recompile them... One would think that it's a breach of the license but dunno... | 09:55 |
| timely | zuh: eh? | 09:56 |
| timely | that sounds odd | 09:56 |
| timely | i'm also waiting for someone to replace the browser tn plugin with something non sucky | 09:56 |
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| michele_ | zuh: which license are they? | 09:56 |
| johnx | leif__, I was actually in the same boat as you. I was thinking the Cxx00 Zaurus for alternate hardware. What were you thinking about? | 09:56 |
| johnx | timely, the whole browser UI? honestly if I do anything I'll probably try and hildonize epiphany webkit... | 09:57 |
| timely | johnx: well, that too | 09:57 |
| timely | but i only mean the task navigator plugin | 09:57 |
| timely | which is basically this odd bookmarks beast | 09:58 |
| timely | johnx: and you say the whole browser ui as if there's a lot to it | 09:58 |
| leif__ | well i don't have another handheld in mind currently; I just wanted to run it on my desktop for now | 09:58 |
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| leif__ | but there are those Intel MIDs which will already be running hildon... | 09:59 |
| johnx | I think people are more likely to rewrite things differently than to try and make functional replacements for Nokia closed source stuff... | 09:59 |
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| timely | leif__: maybe intel will make a better ui :) | 09:59 |
| timely | johnx: you make it sound like that's a bad thing | 09:59 |
| zuh | michele_: lgpl | 09:59 |
| johnx | it's just a lot of work for a small amount of devs... | 09:59 |
| timely | don't get me wrong, i don't want people to go off and reimplement things bug for bug | 10:00 |
| leif__ | intel's desktop was flash-based last I checked | 10:00 |
| timely | be innovative, compete, win, profit! | 10:00 |
| leif__ | (which was a while ago) | 10:00 |
| zuh | timely: Here's the last message on the subject: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-November/012675.html | 10:00 |
| jku | johnx, exactly, especially as "replacing" is often impossible or just difficult because N guys didn't think about it... | 10:00 |
| timely | jku: eh? | 10:00 |
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| timely | it's definitely possible to replace a tn plugin | 10:00 |
| zuh | which reminds me that they *did* turn it to compilable, but in a way that they are useless | 10:00 |
| timely | heh | 10:01 |
| johnx | timely, The Zaurus situation was similar and I think everyone can agree that too many subtly incompatible projects by too small a number of devs is a bad outcome | 10:01 |
| jku | timely, I've been playing with GPS (and all the closed location libs) | 10:01 |
| zuh | Which is nice | 10:01 |
| timely | anyway, i need to find someone to talk to about the other elephant | 10:02 |
| johnx | hmm? | 10:02 |
| timely | so which of you actually have zaurus's? | 10:02 |
| johnx | lots of us :) | 10:02 |
| johnx | I have two | 10:02 |
| johnx | a 5500 and a C1000 | 10:02 |
| timely | johnx: see invite | 10:03 |
| leif__ | timely, what is this other elephant? | 10:03 |
| rwhitby | c700 | 10:06 |
| timely | first rule of fight club... don't talk about fight club :) | 10:06 |
| rm_you | I have a 5500 | 10:09 |
| rm_you | got it late tho :/ | 10:09 |
| rm_you | too late in the cycle of things to be useful :( | 10:09 |
| johnx | rm_you, the 2.6 kernel is still coming along for it | 10:10 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:10 |
| johnx | I can boot and get a shell even :) | 10:10 |
| rm_you | i found it the other day in the boxes in the corner of my room | 10:10 |
| rm_you | i couldnt find the power cord though :( | 10:10 |
| johnx | that's good...if 2.6 support gets better I might buy a used 5500 that's not as broken as mine | 10:10 |
| rm_you | and if i remember correctly, it was at the point that if i unplugged it with a full charge in the battery, it would die somewhere between 1 and 5 seconds later | 10:11 |
| johnx | yeah, I think mine has an internal short somewhere :| | 10:11 |
| timely | ouch | 10:14 |
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| timely | jku: so i take it that the location stuff isn't very usefully plugable ? | 10:16 |
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| jku | timely: well, they're not really meant to be pluggable (so I wasn't mislead or anything). I was replacing gpsd with another gps daemon. This is difficult (even though osso-gpsd is actually open) | 10:20 |
| b0unc3 | good morning | 10:20 |
| johnx | mornin' b0unc3 | 10:20 |
| jku | timely, mostly due to gpsdriver hooks | 10:20 |
| jku | timely, as an example: libgpsbt and libgpsmgr are good ideas basically, but they're not pluggable and since they're now closed I can't add support for another gps daemon | 10:22 |
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| * timely frowns | 10:25 | |
| timely | this is too abstract for me | 10:25 |
| * timely wonders what a gpsdriver hook is | 10:25 | |
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| jku | gpsdriver is not running all the time, something starts it | 10:26 |
| jku | somthing being gpsmgr AFAIK | 10:26 |
| jku | but gpsmgr starts gpsd, and I can't change that | 10:26 |
| jku | (and I'd like to not start gpsd) | 10:27 |
| timely | you can't replace gpsd w/ your own evil d? | 10:27 |
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| jku | the binary? I guess if I wanted to, and even setting GPSD_BIN (or whatever the env variable was) to /bin/true works, but it's fairly hacky | 10:29 |
| * timely frowns | 10:30 | |
| timely | an env var doesn't seem fairly hacky in my book | 10:30 |
| jku | well , | 10:30 |
| timely | you'd rather make everyone read a gconf setting? | 10:30 |
| * timely isn't a gconf fan | 10:31 | |
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| jku | Well' since I really wanted to just start gpsdriver, I think I shouldn't have to take care of not starting gpsd... | 10:35 |
| jku | I found some functions in gpsctrl.h that seem to do the trick though, so np | 10:35 |
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| _collin_ | hi | 11:07 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 11:46 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:46 |
| solmumaha | morning | 11:46 |
| threethirty | hello all | 11:46 |
| hrw | ~curse maemo bug 2763 | 11:46 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo bug 2763 ! | 11:46 |
| threethirty | is there a way to browse samba shares graphicly (like in gnome)? | 11:47 |
| jumpula | konqueror? | 11:48 |
| jumpula | if you mean in kde | 11:48 |
| jumpula | but probably not, so i'll just continue idling :) | 11:48 |
| johnx | threethirty, for non-password protected shares it works out-of-the-box in OS2008 file manager | 11:49 |
| jumpula | (of course you meant in maemo) | 11:49 |
| hrw | johnx: and only browse and copy | 11:49 |
| hrw | you cant open file which you browse in other apps | 11:50 |
| johnx | hrw, oh, there are more limitations as well...don't get me started | 11:50 |
| hrw | in other words - they do something but only partially | 11:50 |
| johnx | If I was going to be picky I'd say how unhappy I was with gnomevfs as a whole | 11:50 |
| solmumaha | can you write to the share? | 11:51 |
| hrw | and the totally crappy implementation of i18n | 11:51 |
| threethirty | jonx:what about os2005, i think thats what im running i have a n770, but i bought it from a buddy of mine so i have no clu what it is runnig | 11:51 |
| johnx | aaah... | 11:51 |
| hrw | threethirty: 770 can run os2006 | 11:51 |
| inz | And os2007he | 11:52 |
| * johnx doesn't have a 770 | 11:52 | |
| inz | neither of which supports samba | 11:52 |
| hrw | worth upgrading as os2005 is forgotten by most of people | 11:52 |
| inz | There's pretty much 0 software for 2005 | 11:52 |
| hrw | os2006 is also forgotten but by smaller amount of devs | 11:53 |
| * hrw waits until n810 decides that it is time to boot | 11:53 | |
| solmumaha | threethirty: for os2006 there's smbfs and samba client that allows you to mount shares | 11:54 |
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| inz | solmumaha, by whom? | 11:55 |
| solmumaha | smbfs + smbbrowser | 11:56 |
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| solmumaha | i believe those worked when i tried them | 11:57 |
| inz | oh | 11:57 |
| inz | I have packaged one set of samba, but never had any samba shares to test them on | 11:57 |
| inz | And never got any report from anyone whether they worked or not | 11:57 |
| solmumaha | i guess no news is good news | 11:57 |
| inz | p'haps | 11:58 |
| solmumaha | fuse with gui would be nice on tablet | 11:59 |
| johnx | is there a fuse GUI for desktop Linux? | 12:00 |
| threethirty | does anyone here think installing kde on tis thing would 1 work and 2 solve my not finding good sotware issue | 12:00 |
| inz | I also have a gnomevfs2 package that should fix scp and add smb support to gnome-vfs | 12:00 |
| inz | For it2006 | 12:00 |
| solmumaha | threethirty: what are you missing? | 12:00 |
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| solmumaha | i can't imagine kde on 770 being a good idea | 12:01 |
| _collin_ | I think the problem is that there is no os2008 for the 770, right? | 12:02 |
| _collin_ | so people look for other options | 12:02 |
| threethirty | alot of stuff i run across isnt compatable, i feel a little like the fat kid in gym class | 12:03 |
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| solmumaha | threethirty: try installing repositories from http://gronmayer.com/it/ | 12:03 |
| threethirty | i heard that someone ported os2008 to the 770 but im too chicken to install it | 12:03 |
| inz | whaat? | 12:04 |
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| timely | johnx: but hey, it's gnome, gnomevfs will be replaced by gvfs :) | 12:05 |
| johnx | gvfs? hmm? | 12:06 |
| timely | http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/09/28/gnome-2-22-planning-gio-and-gvfs-proposed-for-inclusion | 12:07 |
| timely | people have already asked mozilla.org when we're adding support for yet another unstable api | 12:07 |
| inz | timely, yeah, my hardy already has gvfs | 12:07 |
| threethirty | oops running outta ram ty everyone | 12:07 |
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| johnx | fuse > *, IMNSHO :P | 12:08 |
| timely | oh how nice | 12:08 |
| timely | they're considering a fuse bridge for gvfs | 12:08 |
| timely | if so, i think i'll wontfix the mozilla.org bug | 12:08 |
| timely | can anyone here offer a reason not to do that? :) | 12:09 |
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| Jaffa | 7 | 12:13 |
| Jaffa | x | 12:13 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:13 |
| johnx | timeless, well ok, I'm sold on GVFS | 12:15 |
| timely | i'm not selling | 12:15 |
| timely | but it'd be nice to see gnomevfs go the way of the dodobird | 12:16 |
| johnx | yeah, really...everything is a file...except for these files | 12:16 |
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| leif__ | johnx, what is the result of the lacking power management pieces in your debian system? | 12:18 |
| johnx | leif__, not really tested scientifically | 12:18 |
| leif__ | is the battery able to charge? | 12:18 |
| johnx | battery seems to charge | 12:19 |
| johnx | at least enough to keep it running indefinitely | 12:19 |
| johnx | there's a patch for letting the x server do screen blanking | 12:20 |
| leif__ | and the cpufreq scaling works? | 12:21 |
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| johnx | yeah | 12:21 |
| johnx | but I have no idea if DVFS is low enough in the kernel that it will "just work" or if it needs some kind of signal or what | 12:21 |
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| leif__ | i'm not quite ready yet, but i'd definitely like to try this out | 12:25 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:30 |
| johnx | mornin' | 12:30 |
| jku | hi lardman, have you tried making sense of nvd_data? | 12:36 |
| lardman | jku: no, was a bit busy doing DSP stuff | 12:36 |
| jku | I spent a while looking at it yesterday, and it was more difficult thatn I thought | 12:36 |
| lardman | have you worked out the size of the chunks of data? | 12:37 |
| jku | it looks like plain ints and IEEE floats, but I couldn't find anything that would match a timestamp or coordinates... | 12:37 |
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| jku | lardman: B1 probably has 32 sections of 108 bytes, like we thought | 12:38 |
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| jku | starting at second byte IIRC | 12:38 |
| jku | gah, just tried to poke the screen with my finger | 12:39 |
| lardman | lol | 12:39 |
| johnx | jku, on your tablet or your desktop? | 12:39 |
| jku | johnx, desktop | 12:40 |
| johnx | aaah...that's a problem | 12:40 |
| LoCusF | http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-ee3fcbe4d7f711dcb281effac4ac7a757a75 <- wohoo | 12:40 |
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| johnx | LoCusF, very cool. A lot of people will be pleased to see a .deb for that | 12:42 |
| pupnik | can you be more specific | 12:43 |
| johnx | about who wanted to see a .deb of that? | 12:43 |
| pupnik | yes that url yields a server error 500 | 12:43 |
| johnx | after you get the error, change the 2007 to 2008 in the location bar :) | 12:44 |
| pupnik | oh openttd | 12:44 |
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| LoCusF | oh, didn't know that url didn't work | 12:45 |
| LoCusF | sorry :) | 12:45 |
| LoCusF | one of my favourite games ever | 12:45 |
| pupnik | does it require a commercial game to run? | 12:46 |
| LoCusF | yeah | 12:46 |
| LoCusF | at least the files | 12:46 |
| glass | i was at a jazz concert last week.. reminded me so much of tt :) | 12:48 |
| solmumaha | we really need a tablet gaming site | 12:49 |
| pupnik | ITT: Gaming | 12:49 |
| solmumaha | with good instructions and install files | 12:49 |
| solmumaha | gronmayer for games | 12:50 |
| pupnik | it gets on average 5 posts a day | 12:50 |
| pupnik | oh | 12:50 |
| LoCusF | just installed enigma :) | 12:51 |
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| solmumaha | pupnik: want to package warzone2100? :) | 12:51 |
| hrw | guys: which maemo component handle clock applet? and is it open of nokia? | 12:51 |
| johnx | the package is osso-clock-applet I think | 12:53 |
| pupnik | solmumaha: one minute | 12:54 |
| hrw | so no sources ;( | 12:54 |
| hrw | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/o/ does not have it | 12:55 |
| lardman | jku: I'm away on holiday at the end of the month, so am trying to get stuff finished (both dsp stuff and day job stuff), not sure I have enough time to do nvd_data hacking before I go | 12:55 |
| leif__ | no, and not for osso-clock either | 12:55 |
| lardman | s/end of the month/end of the week | 12:55 |
| pupnik | solmumaha: yes, i could use the practice | 12:55 |
| johnx | hrw, I think that means you're out of luck | 12:55 |
| leif__ | osso stands for "Open Source Software Operations" right? | 12:55 |
| hrw | leif__: not quite rather | 12:55 |
| johnx | leif__, don't think about it too hard... | 12:56 |
| hrw | or maybe it had "WB" in front (as Wanna Be) | 12:56 |
| leif__ | yeah | 12:56 |
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| hrw | "Wanna Be Open Source Software Operations" sounds better | 12:56 |
| johnx | but not very pronounceable in any language I know... | 12:56 |
| johnx | WBOSSO! | 12:57 |
| solmumaha | pupnik: it's a bitch to package, you'd need packages for openal/alut, physicsfs etc | 12:57 |
| hrw | name with 'Boss' inside ;D | 12:57 |
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| johnx | wireless boss operations? | 12:57 |
| leif__ | lol | 12:58 |
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| solmumaha | anyone know if it would be possible to put libs on memory card along with the data files and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH on startscript? | 12:58 |
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| lardman | assuming the no-exec option doesn't hurt it, then yes it should work | 13:00 |
| solmumaha | yes, i was wondering if libs need to be executable | 13:01 |
| lardman | ah, I'm not sure about that, sorry | 13:01 |
| solmumaha | but in theory at least | 13:01 |
| lardman | certainly I use LD_LIBRARY_PATH in scripts to point to a vfp libm and it all works nicely | 13:02 |
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| michele_ | ironically, osso is "bone" in italian | 13:03 |
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| solmumaha | is there a script to browse for a dir in postinst and would it be then possible to install stuff on memory card or does app manager allow that? | 13:06 |
| pupnik | solmumaha: have that already | 13:06 |
| solmumaha | nice | 13:07 |
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| solmumaha | then you could try that LD_LIBRARY_PATH hack | 13:07 |
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| michele_ | when the screen blanks while using skype for voice, I get hiccups in the voice and then the screen turns back on... quite annoying | 13:12 |
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| blahdeblah | Does anyone here play Crazy Parking? One level 10 game is driving me nuts! :-( | 13:17 |
| pupnik | solmumaha: installing libs to /usr/local worked fine. it's just the music that segfaults here | 13:19 |
| pupnik | have you gotten music /sound effects yet? | 13:19 |
| solmumaha | nope | 13:19 |
| |tbb| | morning all | 13:20 |
| johnx | morning |tbb| | 13:20 |
| solmumaha | pupnik: not sure it's good to include certain libs with the game | 13:22 |
| solmumaha | without making separate packages of them at least | 13:22 |
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| blahdeblah | Anyway, if anyone can give me hints about this Crazy Parking game, i'd appreciate it: http://paulgear.webhop.net/images/screenshot00.png | 13:23 |
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| solmumaha | blahdeblah: http://www.theiling.de/projects/rushhour.html :) | 13:24 |
| blahdeblah | solmumaha: Way cool - thanks. | 13:25 |
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| solmumaha | blahdeblah: if you like crazy parking, you could try to solve this: http://www.wsoyoppimateriaalit.fi/valitunti?nimi=NAME (requires java) | 13:32 |
| solmumaha | it has a very camp ending | 13:32 |
| solmumaha | who knows, maybe the level you love is included | 13:33 |
| LoCusF | reporting that playing Transport Tycoon Deluxe on n810 works but stresses your eyes very much :) | 13:34 |
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| pupnik | hmm maemo vmware sdk has no nfs server | 13:46 |
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| pupnik | solmumaha: i do have a user-imposed scratchbox disk size limit to prevent me from starting too many projects :) | 13:48 |
| pupnik | my os2006 project directory has ~200 entries | 13:48 |
| solmumaha | :) | 13:49 |
| solmumaha | maybe you shouldn't start new projects anymore | 13:49 |
| lardman | Right, X gurus present? | 13:50 |
| lardman | Do I need to do anything special to an X window to allow the framebuffer to be written to and then overwrite that window? | 13:50 |
| solmumaha | i can package it, but i still have that segfault on start issue even though i removed the music | 13:51 |
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| MoRpHeUz | lardman: if you are writing directly to the framebuffer you do not need an X window... | 13:53 |
| lardman | I.e. are X windows buffered, or if any part is invalidated, does the app need to rewrite the contents of the invalid region (assuming this is the right terminology for X11) | 13:53 |
| lardman | MoRpHeUz: indeed, but if I don't put up something, the data I write are overwritten almost immediately | 13:53 |
| MoRpHeUz | lardman: sure.... =) | 13:54 |
| lardman | so I can change various parts of the desktop to pretty colours, butr most is changed back before I see the effects | 13:54 |
| pupnik | lardman: if you write directly then x doesn't register any dirty buffers | 13:54 |
| pupnik | so afaik mplayer creates a fullscreen then blithely blits to it | 13:54 |
| lardman | So i should be able to create a simple X window, and then write ontop of it? | 13:55 |
| pupnik | from my reading of ssvb's discussions with daniel on the dev list, this works, but is a violation of all kinds of standards | 13:55 |
| pupnik | see the mplayer on n800 discussions back around may of 2007 | 13:56 |
| pupnik | or april or june, not sure | 13:56 |
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| lardman | pupnik: yep, sounds good to me | 14:00 |
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| lardman | pupnik: I just want to be able to test the bloody thing :) | 14:00 |
| pupnik | drawing with dsp? | 14:01 |
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| lardman | yep | 14:01 |
| maddler | hey all! | 14:01 |
| pupnik | fun! | 14:01 |
| pupnik | hi | 14:01 |
| lardman | I'm wondering if the framebuffer stuff that ssvb does in some way alters the X window to stop if from being refreshed, or some other | 14:01 |
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| hrw | does Jiøà Benc do #maemo irc? | 14:02 |
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| wumpus | you can draw to the screen from the dsp?! | 14:03 |
| mib_e6lf0g0p | I'm trying to get a basic EAL example to compile can anyone help? All i want is a window with an embedded browser..... | 14:03 |
| lardman | wumpus: yes, but not very well | 14:03 |
| wumpus | how is the lcd controller accesses from the dsp then? | 14:04 |
| lardman | map the framebuffer then write to the memory | 14:04 |
| wumpus | does it also map the registers in some way? | 14:04 |
| lardman | there is then a kfunc() command that I think should be called, but it doesn't seem to work | 14:04 |
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| lardman | wumpus: not sure if the mapping is abstracted at all | 14:05 |
| lardman | wumpus: on the arm-side are the registers exposed in the framebuffer memory? | 14:05 |
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| * hrw wants to know what hildon-input guys were smoking | 14:07 | |
| dpb_ | Everything available? | 14:07 |
| hrw | hardware keyboard layout is X11 stuff, virtual keyboard is HildonInput stuff | 14:07 |
| mib_e6lf0g0p | I've checked out the EAL docs on the garage website, but they're giving too much away. I'm not even sure what package to install to get the gweb.h header. | 14:08 |
| hrw | you can select virtual one and this change also hardware one | 14:08 |
| mib_e6lf0g0p | *NOT giving too much away* | 14:08 |
| hrw | with hardware one you also have 'Chr' virtual keyboard.. | 14:08 |
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| lardman | wumpus: my impression is that the kernel maps framebuffer memory, but the registers need to be accessed though specific calls | 14:08 |
| hrw | dpb_: thats the question... | 14:09 |
| lardman | wumpus: first thing is to be able to actually draw in a reasonable manner (i.e. to the whole screen rather than left over, non-updated bits) then look at how to change the format, etc. | 14:09 |
| zuh | lardman: Nokia has this Xsp extension through which you can specify an area for framebuffer usage, telling X not to touch it | 14:10 |
| lardman | zuh: ah, that might be something I need to fiddle with then I suppose | 14:11 |
| lardman | the other problem I'm seeing is that the DSP is complaining when I call the fb update function | 14:12 |
| lardman | It's a toss up whether it's this that's stopping anything from coming out, or something to do with my window | 14:13 |
| lardman | Curiously if I write to the framebuffer (with no X window) and don't call the fb update function, some parts of the desktop do change colour (i.e. round the edges, bits that aren't updated too often), so something must be calling the framebuffer update function | 14:14 |
| wumpus | lardman: but the framebuffer is virtual right? | 14:15 |
| lardman | yes | 14:15 |
| wumpus | so it needs to keep the state somewhere which parts of the framebuffer were overwritten | 14:15 |
| wumpus | and only those will be updated on the actual lcd | 14:15 |
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| lardman | I'm not sure, I thought that was the job for higher level components like X11 | 14:16 |
| lardman | presumably data in the framebuffer memory will simply be sent to the actual framebuffer on the lcd controller when you call the update function | 14:16 |
| wumpus | I don't think so, but has been a while I looked in this blizzard.c drivers | 14:16 |
| lardman | no matter what the data or their state | 14:16 |
| wumpus | not the entire data | 14:16 |
| lardman | ok, some part of it | 14:16 |
| wumpus | I think it really keeps track of which part you changed | 14:16 |
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| wumpus | indeed | 14:16 |
| lardman | but the framebuffer doens't keep track, that's for X11 to do | 14:17 |
| lardman | then you tell it what part to send? | 14:17 |
| wumpus | and there's also like 3 update modes I remember | 14:17 |
| wumpus | probably | 14:17 |
| wumpus | anyway, it's an interesting concept to have the dsp write into it | 14:17 |
| lardman | interesting, just doesn't really make sense atm | 14:18 |
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| pupnik | cd daggerfall_remake/ | 14:21 |
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| pupnik | du // 194436 | 14:22 |
| solmumaha | daggerfall remake? :) | 14:22 |
| pupnik | someone has spent a lot of time on this | 14:23 |
| pupnik | Chad Cuddigan | 14:23 |
| solmumaha | there's actually a project? | 14:24 |
| pupnik | yah 'dungeonhack' | 14:24 |
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| pupnik | testing under wine right now | 14:24 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to save streams while playing it with built in - media-player-engine? | 14:26 |
| pupnik | awesome hahahaha "It's dangerous to go alone! Take this!" | 14:27 |
| pupnik | it's not a strict remake / engine but it's excellent so far solmumaha - give it a try - based on the Ogre engine | 14:28 |
| pupnik | nothing for the tablets though | 14:29 |
| solmumaha | windows only? | 14:31 |
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| pupnik | not sure - but ogre3d supports linux/opengl | 14:33 |
| pupnik | he's got the procedural landscapes and the scripting engine worked out, and a sample quest - no time to play | 14:33 |
| pupnik | http://dungeonhack.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page | 14:33 |
| zuh | lardman: There's indeed three modes for the fb: UPDATE_DISABLED (presumably "off"), AUTO_UPDATE (where I guess the fb driver somehow keeps track of changes, or just waits for a sync?) and MANUAL_UPDATE (in which the user (==Xomap) needs to tell when and which portion of the screen is updated) | 14:34 |
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| lardman | zuh: ah, that's good, so perhaps it displays as it was doing auto update | 14:39 |
| lardman | It looks like the frame buffer update needs to be from task TID_ANON | 14:40 |
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| pupnik | oh man, someone got MAME playing starwars vector game... on an oscilloscope | 14:43 |
| |tbb| | anyone knowing a umpc with linux os? | 14:45 |
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| hrw | |tbb|: any x86 | 14:45 |
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| |tbb| | i mean where nearly all features (hardware related) work also. | 14:46 |
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| |tbb| | better a umpc which is shipped with linux by default | 14:51 |
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| lardman | ah, I see what I'm doing wrong | 15:01 |
| lardman | muppet | 15:01 |
| lardman | Will test over lunch time | 15:01 |
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| michele_ | :) | 15:07 |
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| michele_ | kinda funny to have mac os running on the tablet | 15:07 |
| michele_ | too bad I can't get 8.1 to work | 15:07 |
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| pupnik | is the basilisk port using the cyclone core? | 15:11 |
| michele_ | you mean the JIT? | 15:11 |
| pupnik | i have no idea whether it has a JIT | 15:11 |
| michele_ | it does, but (obviously) doesn't work on the IT | 15:12 |
| michele_ | the version people are using and porting is an older one before the JIT got introduced | 15:12 |
| pupnik | afaik 'cyclone' is an arm-optimized 68000 core | 15:12 |
| michele_ | that said, I don't know what "cyclone core" means | 15:12 |
| michele_ | oh I see | 15:12 |
| pupnik | incorporating that into the mac and amiga emus is a TODO | 15:13 |
| glass | iirc yes too | 15:14 |
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| * michele_ curses people putting multi-volume rar archives inside zips... HELLOOO this is 2008! | 15:19 | |
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| hrw | michele_: D | 15:21 |
| hrw | ;D | 15:21 |
| * hrw curse hildon input | 15:21 | |
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| hrw | who use scandinavian keyboard layout with n810? | 16:03 |
| jku | hrw, I do | 16:04 |
| hrw | jku: how you get oslash char? | 16:04 |
| jku | oslash? | 16:04 |
| hrw | jku: according to keymap it is on right from "M" key | 16:04 |
| hrw | jku: let me find it on my keyboard.. | 16:04 |
| jku | ahh, that's not the same in finnish layout -- we have o with two dots | 16:05 |
| hrw | jku: combine "o" with "/" into one == oshals | 16:05 |
| hrw | oslash | 16:05 |
| jku | oslash is there on the keyboard | 16:05 |
| hrw | jku: ö you mean? | 16:06 |
| jku | yeah | 16:06 |
| hrw | that key has: oslash, equal and ö | 16:06 |
| hrw | I know how to get ö,=,Ö but no idea how to get small/big oslash | 16:06 |
| hugolp | can anyone confirm that the N800 doesnt charge throug the USB? | 16:07 |
| hrw | hugolp: none of nokia tablets do that ;( | 16:07 |
| Tak | hugolp: it doesn't charge via usb | 16:07 |
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| hugolp | its a shame. Is there a reason? | 16:08 |
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| hrw | jku: idea? | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because USB wouldn't provide enough juice to charge quickly? | 16:09 |
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| kpel | hi all | 16:09 |
| hrw | jku: same situation is with next key. | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: because of USB host-mode support. | 16:09 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: depending wich box | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming USB spec: 500mA | 16:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | The bundled wall-wart is 890mA | 16:09 |
| hrw | jku: its 'ae', apostrope and also ä | 16:09 |
| jku | hrw I assume setting norwegian language would change to oslash and ae instead of ä and ö? | 16:10 |
| hrw | jku: no | 16:10 |
| Tak | Ø | 16:10 |
| hrw | jku: press key - you will get ä or Ä. with Fn you will get -. but with blocked Fn + Shift its AE | 16:11 |
| hrw | but how to get small ae? | 16:11 |
| jku | oh | 16:12 |
| hrw | right | 16:13 |
| hrw | I need scandinavian user guide ;( | 16:14 |
| |tbb| | hey jku, anything new on agps for n810? | 16:14 |
| jku | nah, I tried reading the file format, but didn't get too far | 16:14 |
| jku | I'm afraid I'm not much of a reverse engineer | 16:15 |
| jku | the first section is obviously satellite-related data: 108 bytes per sat, 32 sats | 16:15 |
| jku | I thought the last section would be last location, but can't parse it -- it looks like IEEE floats but I get nothing that looks like a coordinate... | 16:17 |
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| |tbb| | hmmh, no reply of nokia at all? | 16:40 |
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| jku | |tbb|, I haven't asked N, I think lardman may have | 16:42 |
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| pupnik | solmumaha: i still am amazed by the 3d speed of warzone @ 640x480 | 16:45 |
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| solmumaha | pupnik: get over it! | 16:45 |
| pupnik | Tak: you might be interested to check it out too. something like 12+ fps in 3d | 16:46 |
| solmumaha | imagine if we had opengl | 16:46 |
| pupnik | then we'd be screaming for more texture memory :P | 16:46 |
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| pupnik | porting most opengl games to tablets would require serious work imo, since so many are targeted at PC GPUs | 16:47 |
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| lardman | Good news, drawing from dsp works fine now | 16:48 |
| johnx | very cool! | 16:48 |
| johnx | that is pretty neat damn neat :D | 16:48 |
| lardman | jku: worth a post to the list to get other people looking at it? | 16:49 |
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| jku | lardman, I'll have another look at it in the next couple of days and then at least put what I have in the wiki | 16:51 |
| lardman | jku: I'll try to take a look too | 16:51 |
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| lardman | kulve: Once again, I'm after the speed of global/private ipbuf, word and control message passing on the dsp. Looking for the best way to indicate to the dsp that a frame of data is ready to be colourspace converted and output | 16:53 |
| lardman | kulve: iirc you had some rough figures from a long while back? | 16:53 |
| lardman | ssvb: good news, tested output on 770, so I'll try out the colorspace conversion code this evening | 16:55 |
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| ssvb | lardman: that's great | 16:59 |
| Tak | lardman: huzzah! | 17:00 |
| hrw | nice | 17:01 |
| hrw | ssvb: are you one of mplayer-maemo guys? | 17:02 |
| lardman | hrw: he is the guy! | 17:02 |
| hrw | thx lardman | 17:02 |
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| hrw | ssvb: is there a way to get mplayer addons as patches instead of whole svn dump? I would like to add nokia tablets stuff into OpenEmbedded | 17:03 |
| |tbb| | lardman: what does this means for us, drawing from dsp works | 17:04 |
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| lardman | |tbb|: yep | 17:04 |
| pupnik | hrw diff -r orig_mplayer_svn_tree_dir nokia_mplayer_svn_tree_dir or something like that | 17:04 |
| lardman | pupnik: I think he means as a direct download | 17:05 |
| |tbb| | k, repost my question, what does that means for us that dsp drawing thing | 17:05 |
| pupnik | |tbb| it means that lardman made the co-processor draw on the screen | 17:05 |
| hrw | pupnik: I did. result is huge and contain misc things | 17:05 |
| pupnik | i suspected as much sorry | 17:06 |
| lardman | |tbb|: oh, did you want more explanation? As pupnik says, we can output data directly from the DSP without needing to pass it back to the ARM | 17:08 |
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| ssvb | hrw: I would prefer to submit all the patches upstream (and actually some patches got accepted already), but some of them are not completely clean, some are still 'work-in-progress', some are nokia-specific and probably not very interesting for other devices | 17:09 |
| hrw | ssvb: even if not interesting for other devices I would push them upstream | 17:11 |
| hrw | but mplayer devs can be real pita when it comes to patches | 17:11 |
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| ssvb | hrw: yes, mplayer devs already rejected my maemo-specific display blanking prevention code :) saying that one should support standard methods for this and if the system is broken, it needs to be fixed | 17:17 |
| ssvb | the problem is that maemo is 'broken' in this respect and the chances to get it fixed (especially on old devices such as 770) are not very high: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1460 | 17:18 |
| hrw | maemo and getting fixed... | 17:19 |
| |tbb| | neverending story | 17:19 |
| * GeneralAntilles starts singing. | 17:19 | |
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| |tbb| | is it possible to save a stream which is played by builtin media-player-engine? | 17:20 |
| lardman | |tbb|: probably not very easily | 17:20 |
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| * |tbb| was thinking it might not be that easy | 17:22 | |
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| ssvb | hrw: a big patch against mplayer 1.0rc1 is available for download at the garage mplayer page, I'm going to split it into separate patches when upgrading to the next upstream mplayer release (1.0rc2, or probably will wait till rc3) | 17:26 |
| RS_Asleep | Hello :) | 17:30 |
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| lardman | ssvb: the 3 frames of data need to be left unaltered so they can be used by mplayer? | 17:34 |
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| hrw | ssvb: thx - will look at it | 17:34 |
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| ssvb | lardman: DSP needs to use 3 frames as read-only input buffers shared with ARM, ARM needs to be able to ask DSP to display any of them on screen | 17:58 |
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| ssvb | lardman: video will be directly decoded into these buffers without using anything intermediate for storage | 18:02 |
| hrw | back to keymaps.. Russian keymap allow to use Cyrillic and Latin keys at same time. but how to get lowercase Latin letters with Russian keyboard | 18:04 |
| hrw | ? | 18:04 |
| hrw | ideas? | 18:04 |
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| lardman | ssvb: can I use the buffers to do my colorspace conversion or do they need to stay as mplayer wrote them? | 18:08 |
| lardman | probably quicker to convert & copy in the same operation I suppose anyway | 18:08 |
| ssvb | lardman: they need to remain unchanged, mplayer will use them as reference frames for decoding next ones | 18:09 |
| lardman | ssvb: ok, that's what I thought | 18:09 |
| ssvb | lardman: did you check if it is possible to use DMA on DSP? | 18:09 |
| lardman | it is possible (judging from some of the Nokia code) but I'm not sure what one can DMA to and from | 18:11 |
| lardman | the link between DSP & ARM will be a shared memory buffer | 18:11 |
| ssvb | probably it is possible to pipeline color conversion into several stages: transfer a line of frame data into SRAM using DMA, do color conversion in SRAM, transfer converted line into target buffer using DMA | 18:11 |
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| lardman | source & target are both in slow SDRAM | 18:12 |
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| ssvb | lardman: it does not matter if DSP will be doing conversion in SRAM and DMA will be prefetching the next line simultaneously | 18:13 |
| lardman | ah, fair enough | 18:13 |
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| pupnik | if you build libs for maemo please do not use ubuntu sources | 18:15 |
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| lardman | pupnik: who's done that? | 18:20 |
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| lardman | ssvb: using dma requires that one registers a handler to handle the interrupt that is produced when it finishes? | 18:22 |
| pupnik | there's a tcl/tk up on debfarm.free.fr that is missing -dev libs and looks to be ubuntu | 18:22 |
| ssvb | lardman: don't know, but generally there should be some method to know when the transfer is complete | 18:25 |
| ssvb | lardman: in this case a preferable way would be to have some function which blocks until DMA transfer is done | 18:25 |
| lardman | ssvb: ok, I'll have a read about it | 18:26 |
| lardman | how is that better than just copying the data in code? faster? | 18:26 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: I got a fix on gps when flying 800km/h ;) | 18:26 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: careful you're nearing the limit; you might be a missle! | 18:27 |
| X-Fade_ | lardman: So that gps fix is not that bad :) | 18:27 |
| ssvb | lardman: you can treat DMA as an extra (stupid) core, which is capable of copying data around | 18:27 |
| lardman | ssvb: ok | 18:27 |
| lardman | X-Fade_: how many satellites then? | 18:28 |
| X-Fade_ | I have a screenshot, let me see if I can put it up somewhere :) | 18:28 |
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| dragorn | I've got some cross-country maemo mapper logs somewhere | 18:29 |
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| X-Fade_ | http://breet.com/maemo/screenshot00.png | 18:32 |
| lardman | :) | 18:34 |
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| lardman | ssvb: yes, dma and irq stuff is in the chip support library | 18:38 |
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| ssvb | lardman: have you tried using CSL on 770/n800 before? | 18:51 |
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| pupnik | would dosbox properly fit under Sectino: accessories, other, or tools? | 18:57 |
| pupnik | *Section | 18:57 |
| pupnik | maybe a new section emulators? | 18:59 |
| lardman | ssvb: no, but I don't see it being a problem; whether it's possible to use DMA & IRQ without being able to alter the dsp kernel is another question | 18:59 |
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| ssvb | lardman: do you know which one of CSL *.lib files should be used with internet tablets? there are lots of them | 19:04 |
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| lardman | 55l | 19:05 |
| lardman | tms320c55 with long addressing mode | 19:05 |
| lardman | or a name similar to that at least | 19:05 |
| * lardman 's files are at home | 19:06 | |
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| lardman | ssvb: you planning on setting up a build? | 19:06 |
| ssvb | lardman: I have TI toolchain installed but have not done anything serious with it yet | 19:09 |
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| lardman | ssvb: I'll send you the code I've got to do output to the screen | 19:09 |
| lardman | ssvb: you'll have a better idea than I have of how to do speed optimisation, etc. | 19:10 |
| lardman | plus I'm away on holiday from next week | 19:10 |
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| lardman | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru433j/spru433j.pdf IRQs don't look too good for the avs_kernel | 19:15 |
| ssvb | lardman: ok, thanks, I'll have a look at it | 19:15 |
| lardman | actually I may be wrong, it looks like IRQ_config() can be used to update the dispatch table, will need some looking at to make sure it doesn't tread on any toes though | 19:16 |
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| lardman | ssvb: will pull together the shared memory bits & colorspace conversion code I've written and email it to you tomorrow | 19:22 |
| lardman | cu all later | 19:22 |
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| hrw | cu | 19:23 |
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| user__ | hello. anyone know if its possible to connect to a network using 802.1x with wep encryption? | 20:57 |
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| user__ | nmy work has an open authentication for wep so i cant use wep w/ manual wep key entering | 20:59 |
| Tak | user__: no, it is not currently possible | 20:59 |
| Tak | there has been an open bug for that for over a year | 20:59 |
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| user__ | yeah i know i added a comment on it i was just hoping ther was a work around.., | 21:00 |
| Tak | I don't know of one | 21:00 |
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| user__ | dang well thanks for the info | 21:02 |
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| pH5 | is it normal that I have to add -march=armv6j to CFLAGS myself when compiling mplayer via dpkg-buildpackage in scratchbox? | 21:04 |
| pH5 | otherwise compilation bombs out on the armv5te optimized idct code. | 21:04 |
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| pH5 | ah, perfect. | 21:06 |
| pH5 | ssvb: is it normal that I have to add -march=armv6j to CFLAGS myself when compiling mplayer via dpkg-buildpackage in scratchbox? | 21:06 |
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| ssvb | pH5: yes, it is. alternatively you can use 'make deb-n8x0' or 'make deb-n770' | 21:07 |
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| pH5 | ssvb: aah, thanks. | 21:08 |
| * pH5 feels stupid now for not scrolling down debian/rules far enough | 21:08 | |
| ssvb | pH5: mplayer fails to build unless you you specify correct cpu, that's a bug, but I kept it that way because it helps preventing getting nonoptimized builds :) | 21:08 |
| ssvb | pH5: it should probably fail with more human readable error message though | 21:09 |
| pH5 | ssvb: yeah, that would be nice for the first-time experience. | 21:09 |
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| mwaldron | GeneralAntilles hates pidgin :P | 21:53 |
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| mwaldron | (of course he's right, having no / commands is slightly annoying) | 21:54 |
| Tak | heh, there was a proposal a while ago to add a togglable "command mode" that never went anywhere | 21:54 |
| mwaldron | i just got used to telnetting home to boot people from my channels :) | 21:55 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: GeneralAntilles? | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you: rm_you? | 22:06 |
| rm_you | indeed. | 22:06 |
| Tak | rm_you: GeneralAntilles? | 22:06 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:06 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: so, you wanted the code for the beta of the combo applet? | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, I was gonna modify the icon code for you | 22:07 |
| rm_you | ah | 22:07 |
| rm_you | Well, I was willing to give it to you, I just generally don't like to release code-in-progress, because the way i work at the moment means that it's VERY messy until i do my pre-release cleanup :P | 22:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, adv-backlight-icon-<brightnesslevel>-<volumelevel>.png is the format. | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I understand. | 22:08 |
| rm_you | i don't delete any lines, EVER :P i just comment them until I have a working release... THEN i delete the unnecessary ones :P | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need to either change m to 0, though. | 22:08 |
| rm_you | i guess if i was working in SVN i wouldnt have to do it that way... | 22:08 |
| rm_you | but i havent gotten around to setting it up yet | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Laziness is fun. | 22:09 |
| rm_you | laziness like this is actually HARDER >_> | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | But still fun. | 22:09 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:09 |
| mwaldron | nothing worth while is easy ) | 22:09 |
| rm_you | crap... what OTC meds are good for cold symptoms (eg cough, stuffy nose)? lol | 22:09 |
| rm_you | not exactly the point of this channel, but i need to take something quickly before my next class :P | 22:10 |
| mwaldron | whiskey | 22:10 |
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| rm_you | mwaldron: lol... i guess i could do that :P but i wouldnt learn much in the next few hours <_< | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dayquil! | 22:10 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:10 |
| mwaldron | damn, i added an e again | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | and or Nightquil! | 22:10 |
| rm_you | lets see what I have... | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Night/Ny/ | 22:11 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: and or Nyquil! | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Snorting warm saline is effective, too. | 22:11 |
| rm_you | hrm.... | 22:11 |
| rm_you | Ibuprofen... less than helpful | 22:11 |
| pupnik | will metalayer crawler (media crawler whatever) have problems if I symlink something from MyDocs to /media/mmc1 ? | 22:11 |
| rm_you | antihistimine pills (generic allergy OTC)... maybe | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I also recommend gargling the hottest, saltiest water you can stand. | 22:11 |
| Tak | shouldn't, as long as there's no loop | 22:11 |
| rm_you | a bottle of Captain Morgan... | 22:12 |
| rm_you | hrm | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everything | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | pour it all in together | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | drink. | 22:12 |
| mwaldron | wake up in a week feeling better | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | or dead | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | either way, no more cold! | 22:13 |
| mwaldron | exactly | 22:13 |
| rm_you | but then who would maintain adv-backlight? >_> | 22:13 |
| `0660 | Ibuprofen + coffee ~= most cold and flue medicines | 22:13 |
| mwaldron | wow, we brought it full circle back to on topic | 22:13 |
| rm_you | :P | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously, try gargling hot salt water. | 22:14 |
| rm_you | hrm | 22:14 |
| mwaldron | is there a gui ftp client for this thing? | 22:14 |
| rm_you | apparently I got invited to UPE (ACM honor society?) | 22:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Was for OS2007. | 22:14 |
| rm_you | odd :P | 22:14 |
| mwaldron | that would be a no.. | 22:14 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i looked for 2007, never found one <_< which did you use? | 22:15 |
| Tama^2 | Hello | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't remember what it was called. | 22:15 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: can you link me those icons again? | 22:15 |
| rm_you | wait nm found em | 22:15 |
| mwaldron | there's a bittorrent client and not an ftp client. sad world we live n | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, ho, here you go! http://www.student.oulu.fi/~jualasal/gb/maemoftp.html | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who wants to guess how I found it? :P | 22:16 |
| mwaldron | psychic abilities? | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 22:16 |
| mwaldron | psychotic abilities? | 22:16 |
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| pupnik | there's lftp, the best client | 22:17 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: is there a "zero" brightness level? | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, 1. | 22:18 |
| rm_you | GAH | 22:18 |
| rm_you | 1 indexed <_< | 22:18 |
| rm_you | so there's 7 brightness levels, from 1-7? | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I stole Nokia's naming scheme. | 22:18 |
| rm_you | >_> | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. | 22:18 |
| rm_you | k.... | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just rename them. :P | 22:18 |
| rm_you | k.... | 22:18 |
| rm_you | will do :) | 22:18 |
| rm_you | bbl, class. *MAYBE* a release tonight | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds good. | 22:19 |
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| mwaldron | hrm | 22:21 |
| mwaldron | i downloaded package 1.7, it installed version 1.6 | 22:21 |
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| MangoFusion | hey guy's | 22:27 |
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| MangoFusion | i'm having problems installing the v4 sdk. whenever i apt-get in the scratchbox, it says "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (2 No such file or directory)" | 22:31 |
| MangoFusion | any ideas? =/ | 22:31 |
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| RS_Asleep | You logged in as root? | 22:34 |
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| MangoFusion | no | 22:35 |
| MangoFusion | in the scratchbox | 22:35 |
| RS_Asleep | Speaking from using debian on a PC, I only get that when I'm not logged in as root. Apart from that, I have no idea :/ | 22:35 |
| MangoFusion | naturally works fine in normal ubuntu, just not in the scratchbox | 22:36 |
| MangoFusion | very weird | 22:36 |
| * RS_Asleep is out of suggestions then | 22:36 | |
| RS_Asleep | :D | 22:36 |
| MangoFusion | hehe | 22:37 |
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| Fang64 | uhm could use the sudo command with apt-get see if that gets you around | 22:51 |
| mwaldron | i need to figre out the password on my sudo command | 22:51 |
| BTobotras | Anybody IRCing from OS2008 here? | 22:52 |
| Fang64 | should be the same as root | 22:52 |
| mwaldron | i noticed yesterday it doesn't seem to be the same as root | 22:52 |
| Fang64 | lol | 22:52 |
| lcuk | i am looking at streamlining some *simple* dev work on the tablet. im not after compiling masterpieces, just small examples. does anyone know where i can get the make tools and gcc running natively on my 810. or do i need to make the toolchain myself | 22:52 |
| Fang64 | you could edit the sudoer file | 22:52 |
| mwaldron | i installed openssh, it made me set the root password | 22:52 |
| lcuk | (hello everyone by the way) | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | BTobotras, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 22:52 |
| mwaldron | sudo... doesn't work | 22:52 |
| BTobotras | GeneralAntilles: 10x! | 22:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sudo gainroot, mwaldron? | 22:53 |
| lcuk | you need to install the becomeroot package as well first though | 22:53 |
| mwaldron | i was using ssh root@localhost to do root stuff | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | user isn't a sudoer by default or somesuch. | 22:53 |
| lcuk | available from one of the other repos | 22:53 |
| MangoFusion | Fang64: no sudo in there | 22:53 |
| Fang64 | ah | 22:53 |
| MangoFusion | in any case i'm just going to do a reinstall from scratch to see if that automagically fixes it | 22:53 |
| mwaldron | GeneralAntilles: sudo asks me for password. dunno what it wants, i don't have one | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | rootme by default | 22:54 |
| Fang64 | thought he was speaking from the pc not the maemo platform | 22:54 |
| mwaldron | oh rootme | 22:54 |
| mwaldron | kk will try it | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's not accepting that and you haven't changed it, then you need to install becomeroot. | 22:54 |
| mwaldron | rootme didn't work | 22:54 |
| lcuk | gen, doesnt it give you some arsey message about not wrecking device | 22:54 |
| mwaldron | guess i need becomeroot | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | iunno, lcuk. It does something. :P | 22:55 |
| MangoFusion | becomeroot + $sudo gainroot = :) | 22:55 |
| mwaldron | i can ssh root@localhost, that works | 22:55 |
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| Fang64 | that's bizzare | 22:56 |
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| mwaldron | i just changed root password (via ssh@localhost) and passwd, didn't change sudo | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fang64, no, that's normal. ;) | 22:58 |
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| Fang64 | lol | 22:59 |
| Fang64 | so I take it maemo doesn't have a sudoer file like other distros | 22:59 |
| mwaldron | ok, time to fix this | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It does, user just isn't in it by default. | 23:00 |
| lcuk | becomeroot package expands sudoers i think to include user | 23:00 |
| lcuk | what GeneralAntilles said.. | 23:00 |
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| Tobotras- | GeneralAntilles: 10x! | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, 100x! | 23:02 |
| Tobotras- | Be my guest :-) | 23:03 |
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| mwaldron | ok, i haev becomeroot installed | 23:05 |
| mwaldron | i can sudo gainroot | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now you can relax and have a cup of tea. | 23:05 |
| mwaldron | i still can't, for instance, sudo ping | 23:05 |
| mwaldron | mm cup of tea sounsd good actually | 23:06 |
| mwaldron | brb | 23:06 |
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| mwaldron | tea brewing | 23:07 |
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| niteOwl | mmm tea :-) - just had a pot of upton tea - black dragon | 23:08 |
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| mwaldron | ashby's raspberry tea here | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sweet tea FTW! | 23:11 |
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| mwaldron | woo my screen protectors shipped | 23:15 |
| mwaldron | ok, i did a search on this, and only found os2007 stuff, so is there a .deb anywhere for os2008 iputils? particulary traceroute? | 23:16 |
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| dcordes | screen protectors are complete evil business | 23:19 |
| edistar|1one | dcordes: hi ;) | 23:19 |
| mwaldron | dcordes: indeed | 23:20 |
| pH5 | mwaldron: there is iputils-tracepath | 23:20 |
| mwaldron | dcordes: but after 15 years i've gotten used to them | 23:20 |
| mwaldron | pH5: repository/url? | 23:20 |
| dcordes | mwaldron: I mean the people who sell them for 10 euros on ebay ^^ | 23:20 |
| mwaldron | ah yeah | 23:21 |
| mwaldron | foudnit | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | i wonder if you could create a pour on protective screen | 23:24 |
| lcuk | mix, pour leave it to solidify | 23:24 |
| pH5 | spin coating! :) | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | just a thin surface layer, like a soapfilm but armor plated | 23:25 |
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| mwaldron | woo, tracepath works | 23:28 |
| mwaldron | tomorrow i get to do the hard stuff | 23:28 |
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| tsukasa | sup guys... | 23:29 |
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| mwaldron | these guys putting up with my newb questions | 23:29 |
| MangoFusion | bah, screen protectors | 23:29 |
| tsukasa | you think its worth getting a n800 now or waiting for the next iteration later this year | 23:29 |
| tsukasa | it looks pretty sexy | 23:29 |
| MangoFusion | i tend not to dig the stylus into the screen so i tend not to use them | 23:30 |
| mwaldron | my gf wants an 800 | 23:30 |
| mwaldron | she wants 810, but saw price and decided she could live wo keyboard | 23:30 |
| tsukasa | anyone happen to know anything about the next one nokia is putting out | 23:30 |
| tsukasa | if its another 810 with gps ill do without lol | 23:30 |
| MangoFusion | my experience with my n800: started off with OS2007, thought it was great. Installed the recently released OS2008, grew frustrated, and is now sporadically used | 23:31 |
| tsukasa | really? | 23:31 |
| tsukasa | whats wrong with 08 | 23:31 |
| lcuk | MangoFusion, why dont you put 2007 back on then? | 23:31 |
| lcuk | seriously, its not like it stops working just because another system just came out | 23:31 |
| pupnik | 1 month here, perfectly stable | 23:31 |
| MangoFusion | i'm clinging onto the vague hope that perhaps they'll fix the issues in an update | 23:32 |
| lcuk | if it works well for YOU and you are happy with it, rebuild it how you liked it | 23:32 |
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| lcuk | they might do in time, but for now dont worry about it | 23:32 |
| MangoFusion | true, i could just use OS2007. but i don't see much point downgrading just because the browser is slower and the finger tapping doesn't really work ;) | 23:32 |
| pupnik | do you eat your food with your hands too? | 23:33 |
| pupnik | jk | 23:33 |
| MangoFusion | haha | 23:33 |
| lcuk | but if thats what you use mostly then moving to 2008 is like moving to vista from xp | 23:33 |
| tsukasa | the clock speeds are higher though | 23:33 |
| tsukasa | speaking of which, is the 800/810 overclockable? | 23:33 |
| edistar | lcuk: everything is slower? | 23:33 |
| pupnik | yes, from 333 to 400 mhz | 23:34 |
| edistar | tsukasa: was the n770 overclockable? | 23:34 |
| MangoFusion | i seem to have this bad luck with tablets. they never quite turn out as i expected | 23:34 |
| lcuk | if everything is slower then why is MangoFusion experiencing slower internet - speed is not all cpu | 23:34 |
| tsukasa | edistar, dunno, which is why im asking | 23:34 |
| edistar | lcuk: just because you are saying its like a switch to vista ;) | 23:34 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:34 |
| tsukasa | you can tweak the tcp window to compensate... | 23:35 |
| tsukasa | there are two things nokia needs to do for me to love them eternally | 23:36 |
| tsukasa | 1) provide a student discount T_T | 23:36 |
| tsukasa | 2) release SOMETHING about their plans | 23:36 |
| * mwaldron feels dejavu, taken back to the palmos days. same complaints, new paltform | 23:37 | |
| lcuk | damn, i thought you were gonna say supply hookers, gambling table and plenty of scotch? | 23:37 |
| tsukasa | haha | 23:37 |
| tsukasa | you got web access, what more do you need | 23:37 |
| tsukasa | vibrate function | 23:37 |
| mwaldron | vibrating alarms... | 23:37 |
| lcuk | mwaldron, its been the same from the spectrum days and the amiga days and the windows days and every other upgrading platform | 23:37 |
| mwaldron | lcuk: yep | 23:38 |
| tsukasa | speaking of which does skype + webcam not work still? | 23:38 |
| tsukasa | i read something on that | 23:38 |
| mwaldron | except windows. no one gives a crap :) | 23:38 |
| MangoFusion | yes and no vibrate functionality. how can you have a cool internet tablet with voip that doesn't vibrate? | 23:38 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 23:38 |
| edistar | how do I kill the maemo UI without killing xserver? | 23:38 |
| lcuk | but people just find the right level with things. take the humble calculator, some folks are happy with the basic 4 operator model, others want an all singing, all dancing graphing computer, am i wrong because I've kept my basic model just because a new one came out? | 23:39 |
| mwaldron | it was all downhill after ti-85 | 23:40 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:40 |
| mwaldron | holds a special place in my heart. first piece of consumer electronics i overclocked :P | 23:41 |
| mwaldron | still has a place on my desk :) | 23:41 |
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| edistar | I had a casio, 9850 GB plus that I overclocked and added memory to, that was my first calc :) still works ;) | 23:42 |
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| mwaldron | i saw a hp emulator for maemo | 23:43 |
| mwaldron | no ti though, i call discrimination | 23:43 |
| Fang64 | lol | 23:44 |
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| Fang64 | anyone attempting to port a ti emulator or none the less create one? | 23:44 |
| tsukasa | yes lets emulate a calculator >_> | 23:45 |
| tsukasa | that sounds like a great idea | 23:45 |
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| edistar | there are ti calc roms, and there is emulator software around, even for linux | 23:46 |
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| mwaldron | muhahaha | 23:48 |
| MangoFusion | just make sure | 23:50 |
| MangoFusion | it supports portrait mode | 23:50 |
| MangoFusion | ;) | 23:50 |
| mwaldron | *cough* garnetvm *cough* | 23:50 |
| pupnik | http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5838978-description.html Some problems inherent to dynamic recompilers | 23:51 |
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