IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-02-11

elbt_s_o: what seems to be the problem00:02
t_s_onothing much :P just wondering about how big the different elements will be on a screen like that...00:02
elbthat depends on how many pixels you use to render them00:05
lcuksuper smooth unaliased lines :)00:06
lcukwith correct focusing you could almost put it up to your eye and turn into maemoworld00:06
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fysaI want to try one of those fresnel lenses to turn it into a 10" screen ;)00:09
fysaanyone have experience with00:10
fysathe BTMicro mouse?00:10
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fysa.. I wonder how you click.00:16
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fysathis would be perfect if it was bluetooth..
elblooks like you use your thumb00:17
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lcukfysa, that looks cool00:18
fysathink I will try that BT-500.  has good reviews and can use two AA batteries (i.e., alkaline to last forever..)00:19
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fysasorry, two AAA00:20
NaviHaha, sexy00:20
NaviMouse+Gamepad :D00:20
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Tama^2ih ih00:23
Tama^2(too many windows open)00:24
pupnik'if it were' is the proper use of the subjunctive, not 'if it was'00:24
pupniksyntax error fysa00:24
Tama^2pupnik: true, but soooo many people use 'was' when speaking that gets me confused00:25
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pupnikme hands Tama^2 a case of trout ammunition00:30
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pupnikbroken, stupid language that reduces descriptive power and accuracy is not to be accepted without resistance00:31
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Tama^2yes, everyone should do like the French xD00:32
Fang64drop their IQ level?00:35
Tama^2Not sure about that, I was referring to language protectionism ;)00:39
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ryoohki_does the n8?0 suspend or hibernate? i'm using os2008 on a n80001:03
ryoohki_also, how do you highlight/cut/paste text with an800 since there is no keyboard with which to ctrl x/ctrl c/ctrl v?01:04
Tama^2neither, but it has a very low power idle mode01:04
ryoohki_how do you set idle mode then?01:04
Tama^2you leave it idle.. :)01:05
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Proteousyou can copy and paste by highlighting the text then click on hold on it with the stylus and select copy01:06
ryoohki_what about cut-n-paste on the keyboardless n800?01:06
Proteousselecting it with the stylus01:06
ryoohki_when i try that an "icon" appears of a circluar arrow momentarily01:07
Proteousdouble tap and drag to select01:07
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ryoohki_i try that, thanks!01:07
ryoohki_you know, i'm trying to install pymaemo for mworldclock and i can't find it any where, either as installed or installable under application manager and everything is checked off correctly under app manager > tools ...01:08
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Tama^2if the app you are installing lists it as a dependence then it's pulled in automatically01:11
Tama^2f you want to install only pymaemo I think you have to become root and use #apt-get install01:12
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lcukcan i put the machine into a locked state from the console?  as in exactly what happens when i slide the lock.01:15
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Tama^2I think it is possible via dbus but it is not documented01:16
lcukhmmmm, cos then i wouldn't need to get it out of its cradle just to lock it01:16
lcuki know it unlocks when keyboard slide occurs, and relocks if you close it again, but it doesnt lock if you have used the keyboard whilst open01:17
lcukTama^2, have you got any documentation on it?01:17
ryoohki_it keeps sayiong "unable to install"!!01:18
Tama^2nope, sorry01:18
lcukill have to start poking01:19
lcukpoke 58554,201:19
lcukpoke 58555,201:19
ryoohki_it keeps sayiong "unable to install mClock" but no why or what i might do about it!!!!!01:20
lcuktry it from the command line and see what other info it gives01:21
lcuk(is not an expert) but i think its something like "apt-get install mclock"    with the gui installer closed.     someone tell me if thats correct?01:22
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leif__anyone here use xforwarded apps on their tablet much?02:12
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fysaI just set it up last night.02:35
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leif__fysa, got any good way to do text input?03:13
leif__i've got xvkbd and matchbox-keyboard, but neither really seems usable03:14
leif__i suppose on an N810 the hardware keyboard would make it easy03:14
fysaI use synergy.. ;)03:14
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leif__does that mean that you aren't actually entering text using the touchscreen then?03:32
leif__or does synergy work with the hildon keyboard somehow?03:32
leif__yay, i'm able to get xforwarded apps to use the LCARS theme by running sapwood in Ubuntu :)03:34
GeneralAntillesSynergy means you're using your laptop/desktop's keyboard.03:36
fysaI use my N800 as a third monitor via synergy and X11 forwarding03:37
fysabut I ended up doing it through the KDE debs.03:37
leif__thats what i thought, just wanted to make sure03:37
fysaget regular windows and a real mouse cursor03:37
fysaand can use the KDE desktop widget virtual keyboard03:38
leif__oh, i haven't tried that one yet03:38
leif__i don't think i'm going to unless i can do it without installing lots of kde stuff though03:39
fysait was cake..03:39
fysayou just need 2GB for it though.03:39
fysait's debs.03:39
leif__i'm installing that now, only needed 11 other packages03:40
fysait has a dynamically resizable virtual keyboard03:40
fysabuilt into KDE I think.03:41
fysafirefox works very well.03:41
fysahaven't tried it away from home yet .. ssh -C may help.03:41
leif__i was disappointed by the grabanddrag on firefox on n80003:42
leif__i like it a lot on the desktop though03:42
fysanot responsive?03:42
fysaseemed OK -- I don't use kinetic scrolling as much as scrolling multiplier though03:42
fysai.e., move your finger 10 pixels, 3x scrolls it 30 pixels03:43
leif__scrolling down works ok, though a little jerky, but i couldn't get the inertial scrolling to work when scrolling up03:43
fysajust to nullify the scrolling treadmill problem of the internal browser03:43
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leif__just on n800, with a mouse it works great03:43
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fysayes.  mouse with KDE on N800 is very nice.03:43
fysaI will order a BT mouse and hunt for a travel case this week.03:44
leif__will a BT mouse "just work" when paired?03:44
fysaI have a business trip later this month -- last time I relied on hildon and a keyboard, but KDE and a mouse/keyboard will be much more productive.03:45
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fysaYou need "icons.tar" to enable the mouse cursor in KDE, and then a mouse polling program.  It's a bit of a hack because of problems with the built-in X server, but penguinbait seems to be using it fine.03:46
leif__i'm not so interested in filling my memory card with KDE stuff... but I'm tempted to try the debian armel chroot trick again to see if that has improved any03:46
fysaYou should get a mouse that 'just works' in debian armel.03:47
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fysaI agree, that is a much better long-term solution.03:47
fysaI wonder if you could carry two N800s..03:48
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fysaand synergy between them ;)03:48
leif__hmm klavier over xforwarding fills the screen just like xvkbd does03:48
GeneralAntillesDual head!03:48
fysadual-head IT.03:49
fysayes, that's what KDE fixes leif..03:49
fysayou get a regular window manager.03:49
leif__matchbox-keyboard doesn't though, instead it fills the lower half and stays up over all programs until killed03:49
leif__yeah i get that :)03:49
leif__i want to keep using the matchbox window manager though03:50
leif__some forwarded programs actually show up in the task navigator now03:51
leif__gimp and firefox among them03:51
leif__if only i had keyboard input i'd be all set03:51
Proteoushere's a tech tip free of charge: enabling DMA mode on a DVD drive makes transfers much faster03:53
leif__s/ on a DVD drive / /03:56
leif__that youtube video doesn't encourage me to run KDE on the tablet... especially when konq opens and everything draws slowly04:00
leif__i see the appeal, but i get the impression it is plenty slow04:00
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leif__maybe i'll try it when i get a new SD card though04:01
leif__is it possible to use the flash plugin from ITOS in KDE?04:03
fysahaven't tried04:06
elb"Lost my stylus, so I'm using a piece of dried spaghetti here" <-- classic04:07
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elbI didn't realize that KDE could be started from the standard Hildon UI04:14
elbI assumed that one had to choose one or the other04:14
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ryoohki__anyone here have a2dp working for mplayer?  i need it for the train to/from work.04:41
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ny7owlMy N800 running OS 2008 recently stopped downloading applications via the app installer, I can still install using apt-get.05:17
ny7owlI would like to fix the installer, anyone see this ?05:17
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leif__what does the log say? (Menu -> Tools -> Log...)05:44
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ny7owlwhich log06:15
GeneralAntillesMenu -> Tools -> Log... in Application Manager . . .06:17
ny7owlsorry saw that after just looking at it now06:17
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ny7owlThanks, for some reason the internal card got remounted read only06:25
Tama^2read or write errors06:26
ny7owlthat doesn't sound reassuring. Is there a log for that somewhere ?06:26
Tama^2run dosfsck against it06:26
Tama^2type dmesg in the console06:27
GeneralAntillesProbably corrupted.06:29
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GeneralAntillesRead only typically means the filesystem is corrupted06:29
GeneralAntillesCheck it.06:29
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fysaelb: It shuts hildon down first, but yes, it's setup very well.  When you end the KDE session, it dumps you back into hildon.06:49
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leif__regarding my earlier comments about klavier: i was mistaken07:25
leif__it does fill the screen, but it also puts a toggle switch for itself in the statusbar panel07:26
leif__so it is actually usable with hildon/matchbox for providing input to xforwarded apps after all07:26
leif__and to local apps, too, even though klavier is itself being xforwarded07:28
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gmis there DGA support in maemo?07:49
gmseems to be missing files and there's no package in the repository07:49
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Epelooni have a question about wireless connecting using PEAP. Can someone help me with that? Thanks.08:35
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johnxWhat's the question?08:35
EpeloonI used the normal wireless manager to connect to my university network08:36
Epeloonwhich use PEAP and MSCHAPv208:36
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bottlecapHey all08:37
EpeloonThe connection works and i get the message: "You are connected to the network"08:37
EpeloonBUT, i can't open any website. Skype sign but all my contacts are offline even if they are online, and i can't even call a normal phone number08:38
EpeloonSo, i get the message i'm connected but i'm not? Thank you for your help.08:38
johnxI don't know much about PEAP, but there is a thread here:
johnxmaybe something in that thread will help?08:39
bottlecapI am just going to throw this question out there and if you guys can answer it, awesome!  I am looking for for the mac, but is now. does anyone have a backup copy?08:39
Epeloonjohnx> Thanks. I've already read all the topics about PEAP on IT08:40
johnxah, sorry :/08:40
EpeloonMost of them have a worst situation. They can't get the connected message. I get it but no internet :)08:41
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johnxEpeloon, if you run /sbin/ifconfig from the "X Terminal" line does it show you have an IP address08:41
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Epeloonactually, i didn't tried it much. Probably not08:42
Epelooncan i use a line command to start dhcp?08:42
johnxyes, but if it claims you're connected usually that means it thinks you have an IP address already08:42
Epeloonhmmm... i guess so. But, some people in other websites say that even if they are connected they can't get an IP address08:43
johnxwell either way, it would help to see what's not working08:44
Epeloonso, if i use ifconfig and i get no ip, what can i do in this case?08:44
johnxyou could try to run udhcpc -i wlan0 as root08:45
johnxand see what error it gives08:45
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Epelooni'll do it tomorrow and see08:46
Epelooni hope i'll get some errors08:46
johnxgood luck08:47
EpeloonThanks john08:47
Epeloongood night08:47
bottlecapHey johnx do you have any idea where I could find that program
johnxnot really08:48
johnxall Linux machines here08:48
johnxit looks like has a copy of the website but not '770flasher-2.0.dmg'08:48
bottlecapI have never felt like "damn all I have are Mac boxes" except for now08:51
johnxyou can use the command line app without problems...08:51
johnxit's just one command08:51
bottlecapI've tried both of the command line flashers and they give me error messages,08:52
Epeloonis it here no?
Tama^3bottlecap: I use VMware on my mac to run the linux flasher08:52
johnxisn't there a CLI app?08:52
Tama^3yes the mac os one is broken08:52
bottlecapTama ohhhhhhhh08:52
* johnx might be confused08:52
Tama^3at least it does not work for me08:52
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johnxnevermind then :(08:52
bottlecapThanks though Johnx08:53
Tama^3it barf about not recognizing the device type08:53
johnxsure, though I'm 0 for 2 today in terms of actual helpfulness...08:53
bottlecapyup yup08:53
Tama^3I suspect it does not support N8x008:53
bottlecapI have an 770 that I want to put the OS2007HE on08:54
bottlecapI am downloading Ubuntu to boot off of that then use the linux installer08:56
johnxfor a 770 the Nokia command line flasher might work08:57
johnxit's worth a try08:57
bottlecapthe one that's just labeled "flasher"08:57
bottlecapon the mac os x?08:58
johnxyeah, I think it's 'flasher-2.0.macosx'08:58
bottlecapyeah that one fails too :(08:58
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johnxthat one *should* work on the 77008:59
bottlecapI get this error message09:00
bottlecapUSB device found found at bus 003, device address 005-0421-0105-00-0009:00
bottlecapSending request 0x01 failed: Unknown error: -109:00
bottlecapNOLO_REQ_GET_STATUS: Invalid argument09:00
bottlecapDevice status query failed09:00
johnx^ that guy seems to get the same error unless he holds down the home button during the flash ^09:04
bottlecapcool I'll check it out09:09
leif__yeah i saw an n810 flashed with flasher-2.0.macosx recently, just had to hold down the home button while turning it on09:09
bottlecapYeah I still fail, it sucks but in 2 minutes I'll have a live version of Ubuntu09:12
bottlecapbut it's also 1AM here so I think I'm going to pack it in for the night, thanks for all the help all09:12
johnxsure, no problem09:13
johnxI wish that my help was actually helpful09:13
bottlecapyou pointed me in the right direction and that works for me johnx09:13
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sfireI am considering buying a n800 and I would like to know if any of you know if its compatible with the motorola razor cell phone?  I have the data package with my service and want the n800 to get the internet service it needs through it09:20
johnxI don't have a razr (or any bluetooth phone) but it seems like it is compatible based on what people are posting here:
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Proteousnot the most up to date list but good to check out09:22
johnxI imagine whether you can let the N800 access the internet through your phone may depend on the data plan you have and whether it supports 'tethering'09:22
sfireis this channel mostly for development issues or just the maemo platform in general?09:24
jkusfire, it's the only one, so...09:25
Proteouslittle bit of everything09:25
johnxwell, no one's told me to shut up yet, so I assume anything goes...09:25
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sfireI'm just kinda feeling it all out before I purchase one.. Been using linux for about 6 years now and saw the n800 and instantly wanted it09:27
sfiredoes anyone here happen to know the wireless chipset used?09:28
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timelysfire: i think wikipedia has decent docs09:28
timely(or not)09:29
sfireI've looked there but doesn't seem to have much info09:29
timelyactually, some of its information is wrong09:29
jkusfire it's conexant09:30
timelyit lists os as 2007, it should list 2007/200809:30
jkusfire cx3110 is the model IIRC09:30
sfireahhh cool it works in monitor mode :)09:31
leif__afaik the wireless driver is not completely open09:31
leif__but yes, monitor mode does work09:31
johnxand with a patch enough of Linux WE 18 can be enabled to make wpa_supplicant happy09:32
leif__huh? i think the ITOS does WPA without wpa_supplicant09:33
leif__what is WE 18?09:33
johnxleif__, it does, but for some really odd WPA setups you may need wpa_supplicant09:33
johnxWE 18 is wireless extension version 1809:33
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leif__oh i see on ITT someone explains that 'The N800 offers TTLS security out of the box. But it allows only the authentification protocols "EAP-GTC", "EAP-MSCHAPv2" and "MSCHAPv2" in combination with TTLS.'09:37
sfireI commonly use a wireshark (network analyzer) would that be something that can be ported easily?  (sorry if n00b question)09:37
leif__... "Nokia doesn't support PAP with TTLS in any of their mobile devices."09:37
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leif__i haven't seen a port of wireshark, but it seems like it shouldn't be difficult09:38
jkusfire, I believe it's working already (not sure if anyone packaged it)09:38
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sfireI may be able to ditch my laptop and just use this :)09:39
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Proteousit works pretty nicly for anything that doesn't need a keyboard09:40
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johnxah, is wireshark the thing that used to be called ethereal?09:40
johnxaaah...BTW just installed wireshark in Debian on the N80009:41
sfirethanks johnx.. that just sealed it.. I'm going to order one right now09:41
leif__johnx, are you using a chroot with a vncserver?09:41
johnxsfire, hey, check whether it works in the default ITOS first...09:42
johnxI don't want to mislead you...09:42
leif__i tried that once but something broke when I apt-get upgraded and I haven't got around to trying again09:42
johnxleif__, nope, just booting Debian off of an SD card09:42
leif__i didn't realize that was possible yet09:42
sfireit can run the full debian?09:42
leif__still with nokia's kernel though, right?09:42
johnxleif__, still built from Nokia sources but with some more things enabled09:43
johnxsfire, well, that's what I'm working's kind of rough because some of the power saving stuff is closed source09:43
johnxmy wiki if anyone is interested:
sfirebookmarked :)09:44
rm_youjohnx: i still need to set that up09:44
johnxand there are other people getting maemo packaged nicely for I fully intend to have my cake and eat it too :)09:44
leif__yeah, i've seen that...09:45
leif__too bad so much of the ITOS isn't open source :(09:45
johnxit's not *that bad* ... but yeah, a lot of the things make me really angry09:45
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johnx"Does your brightness applet really contain that much proprietary information?!"09:46
leif__I really wanted our LCARS theme to run on other devices, but the left side of the main "elbow" part consists of a bunch of closed source plugins to hildon-navigator09:46
rm_youjohnx: lol, was just going to say that :P09:46
leif__it isn't proprietary information... it is just that they wrote it in-house09:46
leif__most of the open packages from nokia weren't started by them09:46
johnxreally? I thought they started hildon and maemo?09:47
zuhjohnx: What level of video support are you planning on achieving?09:47
leif__well maemo is an umbrella over the whole thing, yes.09:47
michele_johnx: most of the user apps have no point in being closed. I think they do so mostly to not have to support having a community, which always a good chunk of work.09:47
timelymaemo doesn't really know what it is09:47
johnxzuh, hmm?09:48
zuhjohnx: Or better yet, audio...09:48
michele_johnx: you have to deal with lots of people in the mailing list telling you how to do this and how to do that09:48
leif__hildon is the main thing they started that is open09:48
leif__but almost all of hildon-desktop's plugins aren't!09:48
timelyhey, isn't there a hello-world that's open? :)09:48
leif__on the left side, the menu that lists apps is the only open one09:48
johnxzuh, Nokia's x server is open source. The Debian guys will package it eventually (or maybe someone else will) but for now I just repacked the .deb with the right dependencies. It works fine09:49
zuhWell I guess video (Xv support to be exact) isn't a biggie, as the Xomap would be possible to assimilate into debian, but what about those nice gstreamer dsp plugins that, although being open source, one cannot recompile?09:49
johnxaudio...I'm working on. It involves borrowing a lot of Nokia's close source stuff09:49
rm_youjohnx: video == necessity :P09:50
johnxzuh, I'm mainly concerned with making this work so that it's attractive enough that other people get interested in handling some of those "little details"09:50
johnxleif__, yeah, I'm running into more and more of that as I go :/09:51
leif__i was looking at their calculator app... the engine behind it is LGPL, so of course their GUI is closed09:51
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* zuh would appreciate at least user-space OSS solution for audio, the decoder sinks are basically worthless anyway09:51
rm_youjohnx: ouch... is the DSP code closed? for basic mp3 decoding?09:52
sfireI use Kontact currently.. will it synchronize with that?09:52
timelyleif__: do you want the source for the calculator app?09:53
timelythe app really isn't that great, you're much better served writing your own09:53
leif__not really the point09:53
* timely shrugs09:54
timelythere are a limited number of eyeballs09:54
timelyi'd rather they find something useful to fix09:54
timelywriting a new calculator would be more useful than trying to fix the one that already exists09:54
timelynot to mention you'd need a new ui design09:54
leif__does it need fixing?09:54
johnxgah...wrong windows :/09:55
leif__before i realized how closed the whole thing was, i thought maybe i could run most of the ITOS on non-nokia hardware09:55
timelyleif__: i'm not a fan of various behaviors in the calculator09:55
leif__i don't really care about the calculator as much as all the plugins for hildon-desktop09:55
* timely chuckles09:55
zuhrm_you: All dsp tasks are closed, yes. The GStreamer plugins that use them are open, but depend on proprietary headers so you can't recompile them... One would think that it's a breach of the license but dunno...09:55
timelyzuh: eh?09:56
timelythat sounds odd09:56
timelyi'm also waiting for someone to replace the browser tn plugin with something non sucky09:56
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michele_zuh: which license are they?09:56
johnxleif__, I was actually in the same boat as you. I was thinking the Cxx00 Zaurus for alternate hardware. What were you thinking about?09:56
johnxtimely, the whole browser UI? honestly if I do anything I'll probably try and hildonize epiphany webkit...09:57
timelyjohnx: well, that too09:57
timelybut i only mean the task navigator plugin09:57
timelywhich is basically this odd bookmarks beast09:58
timelyjohnx: and you say the whole browser ui as if there's a lot to it09:58
leif__well i don't have another handheld in mind currently; I just wanted to run it on my desktop for now09:58
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leif__but there are those Intel MIDs which will already be running hildon...09:59
johnxI think people are more likely to rewrite things differently than to try and make functional replacements for Nokia closed source stuff...09:59
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timelyleif__: maybe intel will make a better ui :)09:59
timelyjohnx: you make it sound like that's a bad thing09:59
zuhmichele_: lgpl09:59
johnxit's just a lot of work for a small amount of devs...09:59
timelydon't get me wrong, i don't want people to go off and reimplement things bug for bug10:00
leif__intel's desktop was flash-based last I checked10:00
timelybe innovative, compete, win, profit!10:00
leif__(which was a while ago)10:00
zuhtimely: Here's the last message on the subject:
jkujohnx, exactly, especially as "replacing" is often impossible or just difficult because N guys didn't think about it...10:00
timelyjku: eh?10:00
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timelyit's definitely possible to replace a tn plugin10:00
zuhwhich reminds me that they *did* turn it to compilable, but in a way that they are useless10:00
johnxtimely, The Zaurus situation was similar and I think everyone can agree that too many subtly incompatible projects by too small a number of devs is a bad outcome10:01
jkutimely, I've been playing with GPS (and all the closed location libs)10:01
zuhWhich is nice10:01
timelyanyway, i need to find someone to talk to about the other elephant10:02
timelyso which of you actually have zaurus's?10:02
johnxlots of us :)10:02
johnxI have two10:02
johnxa 5500 and a C100010:02
timelyjohnx: see invite10:03
leif__timely, what is this other elephant?10:03
timelyfirst rule of fight club... don't talk about fight club :)10:06
rm_youI have a 550010:09
rm_yougot it late tho :/10:09
rm_youtoo late in the cycle of things to be useful :(10:09
johnxrm_you, the 2.6 kernel is still coming along for it10:10
johnxI can boot and get a shell even :)10:10
rm_youi found it the other day in the boxes in the corner of my room10:10
rm_youi couldnt find the power cord though :(10:10
johnxthat's good...if 2.6 support gets better I might buy a used 5500 that's not as broken as mine10:10
rm_youand if i remember correctly, it was at the point that if i unplugged it with a full charge in the battery, it would die somewhere between 1 and 5 seconds later10:11
johnxyeah, I think mine has an internal short somewhere :|10:11
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timelyjku: so i take it that the location stuff isn't very usefully plugable ?10:16
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jkutimely: well, they're not really meant to be pluggable (so I wasn't mislead or anything). I was replacing gpsd with another gps daemon. This is difficult (even though osso-gpsd is actually open)10:20
b0unc3good morning10:20
johnxmornin' b0unc310:20
jkutimely, mostly due to gpsdriver hooks10:20
jkutimely, as an example: libgpsbt and libgpsmgr are good ideas basically, but they're not pluggable and since they're now closed I can't add support for another gps daemon10:22
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* timely frowns10:25
timelythis is too abstract for me10:25
* timely wonders what a gpsdriver hook is10:25
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jkugpsdriver is not running all the time, something starts it10:26
jkusomthing being gpsmgr AFAIK10:26
jkubut gpsmgr starts gpsd, and I can't change that10:26
jku(and I'd like to not start gpsd)10:27
timelyyou can't replace gpsd w/ your own evil d?10:27
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jkuthe binary? I guess if I wanted to, and even setting GPSD_BIN (or whatever the env variable was) to /bin/true works, but it's fairly hacky10:29
* timely frowns10:30
timelyan env var doesn't seem fairly hacky in my book10:30
jkuwell ,10:30
timelyyou'd rather make everyone read a gconf setting?10:30
* timely isn't a gconf fan10:31
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jkuWell' since I really wanted to just start gpsdriver, I think I shouldn't have to take care of not starting gpsd...10:35
jkuI found some functions in gpsctrl.h that seem to do the trick though, so np10:35
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:46
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threethirtyhello all11:46
hrw~curse maemo bug 276311:46
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo bug 2763 !11:46
threethirtyis there a way to browse samba shares graphicly (like in gnome)?11:47
jumpulaif you mean in kde11:48
jumpulabut probably not, so i'll just continue idling :)11:48
johnxthreethirty, for non-password protected shares it works out-of-the-box in OS2008 file manager11:49
jumpula(of course you meant in maemo)11:49
hrwjohnx: and only browse and copy11:49
hrwyou cant open file which you browse in other apps11:50
johnxhrw, oh, there are more limitations as well...don't get me started11:50
hrwin other words - they do something but only partially11:50
johnxIf I was going to be picky I'd say how unhappy I was with gnomevfs as a whole11:50
solmumahacan you write to the share?11:51
hrwand the totally crappy implementation of i18n11:51
threethirtyjonx:what about os2005, i think thats what im running i have a n770, but i bought it from a buddy of mine so i have no clu what it is runnig11:51
hrwthreethirty: 770 can run os200611:51
inzAnd os2007he11:52
* johnx doesn't have a 77011:52
inzneither of which supports samba11:52
hrwworth upgrading as os2005 is forgotten by most of people11:52
inzThere's pretty much 0 software for 200511:52
hrwos2006 is also forgotten but by smaller amount of devs11:53
* hrw waits until n810 decides that it is time to boot11:53
solmumahathreethirty: for os2006 there's smbfs and samba client that allows you to mount shares11:54
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inzsolmumaha, by whom?11:55
solmumahasmbfs + smbbrowser11:56
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solmumahai believe those worked when i tried them11:57
inzI have packaged one set of samba, but never had any samba shares to test them on11:57
inzAnd never got any report from anyone whether they worked or not11:57
solmumahai guess no news is good news11:57
solmumahafuse with gui would be nice on tablet11:59
johnxis there a fuse GUI for desktop Linux?12:00
threethirtydoes anyone here think installing kde on tis thing would 1 work and 2 solve my not finding good sotware issue12:00
inzI also have a gnomevfs2 package that should fix scp and add smb support to gnome-vfs12:00
inzFor it200612:00
solmumahathreethirty: what are you missing?12:00
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solmumahai can't imagine kde on 770 being a good idea12:01
_collin_I think the problem is that there is no os2008 for the 770, right?12:02
_collin_so people look for other options12:02
threethirtyalot of stuff i run across isnt compatable, i feel a little like the fat kid in gym class12:03
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solmumahathreethirty: try installing repositories from
threethirtyi heard that someone ported os2008 to the 770 but im too chicken to install it12:03
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timelyjohnx: but hey, it's gnome, gnomevfs will be replaced by gvfs :)12:05
johnxgvfs? hmm?12:06
timelypeople have already asked when we're adding support for yet another unstable api12:07
inztimely, yeah, my hardy already has gvfs12:07
threethirtyoops running outta ram ty everyone12:07
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johnxfuse > *, IMNSHO :P12:08
timelyoh how nice12:08
timelythey're considering a fuse bridge for gvfs12:08
timelyif so, i think i'll wontfix the bug12:08
timelycan anyone here offer a reason not to do that? :)12:09
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JaffaMorning, all12:13
johnxtimeless, well ok, I'm sold on GVFS12:15
timelyi'm not selling12:15
timelybut it'd be nice to see gnomevfs go the way of the dodobird12:16
johnxyeah, really...everything is a file...except for these files12:16
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leif__johnx, what is the result of the lacking power management pieces in your debian system?12:18
johnxleif__, not really tested scientifically12:18
leif__is the battery able to charge?12:18
johnxbattery seems to charge12:19
johnxat least enough to keep it running indefinitely12:19
johnxthere's a patch for letting the x server do screen blanking12:20
leif__and the cpufreq scaling works?12:21
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johnxbut I have no idea if DVFS is low enough in the kernel that it will "just work" or if it needs some kind of signal or what12:21
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leif__i'm not quite ready yet, but i'd definitely like to try this out12:25
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jkuhi lardman, have you tried making sense of nvd_data?12:36
lardmanjku: no, was a bit busy doing DSP stuff12:36
jkuI spent a while looking at it yesterday, and it was more difficult thatn I thought12:36
lardmanhave you worked out the size of the chunks of data?12:37
jkuit looks like plain ints and IEEE floats, but I couldn't find anything that would match a timestamp or coordinates...12:37
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jkulardman: B1 probably has 32 sections of 108 bytes, like we thought12:38
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jkustarting at second byte IIRC12:38
jkugah, just tried to poke the screen with my finger12:39
johnxjku, on your tablet or your desktop?12:39
jkujohnx, desktop12:40
johnxaaah...that's a problem12:40
LoCusF <- wohoo12:40
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johnxLoCusF, very cool. A lot of people will be pleased to see a .deb for that12:42
pupnikcan you be more specific12:43
johnxabout who wanted to see a .deb of that?12:43
pupnikyes that url yields a server error 50012:43
johnxafter you get the error, change the 2007 to 2008 in the location bar :)12:44
pupnikoh openttd12:44
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LoCusFoh, didn't know that url didn't work12:45
LoCusFsorry :)12:45
LoCusFone of my favourite games ever12:45
pupnikdoes it require a commercial game to run?12:46
LoCusFat least the files12:46
glassi was at a jazz concert last week.. reminded me so much of tt :)12:48
solmumahawe really need a tablet gaming site12:49
pupnikITT: Gaming12:49
solmumahawith good instructions and install files12:49
solmumahagronmayer for games12:50
pupnikit gets on average 5 posts a day12:50
LoCusFjust installed enigma :)12:51
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solmumahapupnik: want to package warzone2100? :)12:51
hrwguys: which maemo component handle clock applet? and is it open of nokia?12:51
johnxthe package is osso-clock-applet I think12:53
pupniksolmumaha: one minute12:54
hrwso no sources ;(12:54
hrw does not have it12:55
lardmanjku: I'm away on holiday at the end of the month, so am trying to get stuff finished (both dsp stuff and day job stuff), not sure I have enough time to do nvd_data hacking before I go12:55
leif__no, and not for osso-clock either12:55
lardmans/end of the month/end of the week12:55
pupniksolmumaha: yes, i could use the practice12:55
johnxhrw, I think that means you're out of luck12:55
leif__osso stands for "Open Source Software Operations" right?12:55
hrwleif__: not quite rather12:55
johnxleif__, don't think about it too hard...12:56
hrwor maybe it had "WB" in front (as Wanna Be)12:56
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hrw"Wanna Be Open Source Software Operations" sounds better12:56
johnxbut not very pronounceable in any language I know...12:56
solmumahapupnik: it's a bitch to package, you'd need packages for openal/alut, physicsfs etc12:57
hrwname with 'Boss' inside ;D12:57
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johnxwireless boss operations?12:57
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solmumahaanyone know if it would be possible to put libs on memory card along with the data files and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH on startscript?12:58
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lardmanassuming the no-exec option doesn't hurt it, then yes it should work13:00
solmumahayes, i was wondering if libs need to be executable13:01
lardmanah, I'm not sure about that, sorry13:01
solmumahabut in theory at least13:01
lardmancertainly I use LD_LIBRARY_PATH in scripts to point to a vfp libm and it all works nicely13:02
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michele_ironically, osso is "bone" in italian13:03
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solmumahais there a script to browse for a dir in postinst and would it be then possible to install stuff on memory card or does app manager allow that?13:06
pupniksolmumaha: have that already13:06
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solmumahathen you could try that LD_LIBRARY_PATH hack13:07
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michele_when the screen blanks while using skype for voice, I get hiccups in the voice and then the screen turns back on... quite annoying13:12
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blahdeblahDoes anyone here play Crazy Parking?  One level 10 game is driving me nuts!  :-(13:17
pupniksolmumaha: installing libs to /usr/local worked fine.  it's just the music that segfaults here13:19
pupnikhave you gotten music /sound effects yet?13:19
|tbb|morning all13:20
johnxmorning |tbb|13:20
solmumahapupnik: not sure it's good to include certain libs with the game13:22
solmumahawithout making separate packages of them at least13:22
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blahdeblahAnyway, if anyone can give me hints about this Crazy Parking game, i'd appreciate it:
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solmumahablahdeblah: :)13:24
blahdeblahsolmumaha: Way cool - thanks.13:25
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solmumahablahdeblah: if you like crazy parking, you could try to solve this: (requires java)13:32
solmumahait has a very camp ending13:32
solmumahawho knows, maybe the level you love is included13:33
LoCusFreporting that playing Transport Tycoon Deluxe on n810 works but stresses your eyes very much :)13:34
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pupnikhmm maemo vmware sdk has no nfs server13:46
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pupniksolmumaha: i do have a user-imposed scratchbox disk size limit to prevent me from starting too many projects :)13:48
pupnikmy os2006 project directory has ~200 entries13:48
solmumahamaybe you shouldn't start new projects anymore13:49
lardmanRight, X gurus present?13:50
lardmanDo I need to do anything special to an X window to allow the framebuffer to be written to and then overwrite that window?13:50
solmumahai can package it, but i still have that segfault on start issue even though i removed the music13:51
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MoRpHeUzlardman: if you are writing directly to the framebuffer you do not need an X window...13:53
lardmanI.e. are X windows buffered, or if any part is invalidated, does the app need to rewrite the contents of the invalid region (assuming this is the right terminology for X11)13:53
lardmanMoRpHeUz: indeed, but if I don't put up something, the data I write are overwritten almost immediately13:53
MoRpHeUzlardman: sure.... =)13:54
lardmanso I can change various parts of the desktop to pretty colours, butr most is changed back before I see the effects13:54
pupniklardman: if you write directly then x doesn't register any dirty buffers13:54
pupnikso afaik mplayer creates a fullscreen then blithely blits to it13:54
lardmanSo i should be able to create a simple X window, and then write ontop of it?13:55
pupnikfrom my reading of ssvb's discussions with daniel on the dev list, this works, but is a violation of all kinds of standards13:55
pupniksee the mplayer on n800 discussions back around may of 200713:56
pupnikor april or june, not sure13:56
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lardmanpupnik: yep, sounds good to me14:00
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lardmanpupnik: I just want to be able to test the bloody thing :)14:00
pupnikdrawing with dsp?14:01
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maddlerhey all!14:01
lardmanI'm wondering if the framebuffer stuff that ssvb does in some way alters the X window to stop if from being refreshed, or some other14:01
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hrwdoes Jiøí Benc do #maemo irc?14:02
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wumpusyou can draw to the screen from the dsp?!14:03
mib_e6lf0g0pI'm trying to get a basic EAL example to compile can anyone help? All i want is a window with an embedded browser.....14:03
lardmanwumpus: yes, but not very well14:03
wumpushow is the lcd controller accesses from the dsp then?14:04
lardmanmap the framebuffer then write to the memory14:04
wumpusdoes it also map the registers in some way?14:04
lardmanthere is then a kfunc() command that I think should be called, but it doesn't seem to work14:04
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lardmanwumpus: not sure if the mapping is abstracted at all14:05
lardmanwumpus: on the arm-side are the registers exposed in the framebuffer memory?14:05
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dpb_Everything available?14:07
hrwhardware keyboard layout is X11 stuff, virtual keyboard is HildonInput stuff14:07
mib_e6lf0g0pI've checked out the EAL docs on the garage website, but they're giving too much away. I'm not even sure what package to install to get the gweb.h header.14:08
hrwyou can select virtual one and this change also hardware one14:08
mib_e6lf0g0p*NOT giving too much away*14:08
hrwwith hardware one you also have 'Chr' virtual keyboard..14:08
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lardmanwumpus: my impression is that the kernel maps framebuffer memory, but the registers need to be accessed though specific calls14:08
hrwdpb_: thats the question...14:09
lardmanwumpus: first thing is to be able to actually draw in a reasonable manner (i.e. to the whole screen rather than left over, non-updated bits) then look at how to change the format, etc.14:09
zuhlardman: Nokia has this Xsp extension through which you can specify an area for framebuffer usage, telling X not to touch it14:10
lardmanzuh: ah, that might be something I need to fiddle with then I suppose14:11
lardmanthe other problem I'm seeing is that the DSP is complaining when I call the fb update function14:12
lardmanIt's a toss up whether it's this that's stopping anything from coming out, or something to do with my window14:13
lardmanCuriously if I write to the framebuffer (with no X window) and don't call the fb update function, some parts of the desktop do change colour (i.e. round the edges, bits that aren't updated too often), so something must be calling the framebuffer update function14:14
wumpuslardman: but the framebuffer is virtual right?14:15
wumpusso it needs to keep the state somewhere which parts of the framebuffer were overwritten14:15
wumpusand only those will be updated on the actual lcd14:15
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lardmanI'm not sure, I thought that was the job for higher level components like X1114:16
lardmanpresumably data in the framebuffer memory will simply be sent to the actual framebuffer on the lcd controller when you call the update function14:16
wumpusI don't think so, but has been a while I looked in this blizzard.c drivers14:16
lardmanno matter what the data or their state14:16
wumpusnot the entire data14:16
lardmanok, some part of it14:16
wumpusI think it really keeps track of which part you changed14:16
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lardmanbut the framebuffer doens't keep track, that's for X11 to do14:17
lardmanthen you tell it what part to send?14:17
wumpusand there's also like 3 update modes I remember14:17
wumpusanyway, it's an interesting concept to have the dsp write into it14:17
lardmaninteresting, just doesn't really make sense atm14:18
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pupnikcd daggerfall_remake/14:21
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pupnikdu // 19443614:22
solmumahadaggerfall remake? :)14:22
pupniksomeone has spent a lot of time on this14:23
pupnikChad Cuddigan14:23
solmumahathere's actually a project?14:24
pupnikyah 'dungeonhack'14:24
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pupniktesting under wine right now14:24
|tbb|is it possible to save streams while playing it with built in - media-player-engine?14:26
pupnikawesome hahahaha "It's dangerous to go alone!  Take this!"14:27
pupnikit's not a strict remake / engine but it's excellent so far solmumaha  - give it a try - based on the Ogre engine14:28
pupniknothing for the tablets though14:29
solmumahawindows only?14:31
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pupniknot sure - but ogre3d supports linux/opengl14:33
pupnikhe's got the procedural landscapes and the scripting engine worked out, and a sample quest - no time to play14:33
zuhlardman: There's indeed three modes for the fb: UPDATE_DISABLED (presumably "off"), AUTO_UPDATE (where I guess the fb driver somehow keeps track of changes, or just waits for a sync?) and MANUAL_UPDATE (in which the user (==Xomap) needs to tell when and which portion of the screen is updated)14:34
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lardmanzuh: ah, that's good, so perhaps it displays as it was doing auto update14:39
lardmanIt looks like the frame buffer update needs to be from task TID_ANON14:40
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pupnikoh man, someone got MAME playing starwars vector game... on an oscilloscope14:43
|tbb|anyone knowing a umpc with linux os?14:45
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hrw|tbb|: any x8614:45
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|tbb|i mean where nearly all features (hardware related) work also.14:46
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|tbb|better a umpc which is shipped with linux by default14:51
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lardmanah, I see what I'm doing wrong15:01
lardmanWill test over lunch time15:01
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michele_kinda funny to have mac os running on the tablet15:07
michele_too bad I can't get 8.1 to work15:07
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pupnikis the basilisk port using the cyclone core?15:11
michele_you mean the JIT?15:11
pupniki have no idea whether it has a JIT15:11
michele_it does, but (obviously) doesn't work on the IT15:12
michele_the version people are using and porting is an older one before the JIT got introduced15:12
pupnikafaik 'cyclone' is an arm-optimized 68000 core15:12
michele_that said, I don't know what "cyclone core" means15:12
michele_oh I see15:12
pupnikincorporating that into the mac and amiga emus is a TODO15:13
glassiirc yes too15:14
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hrwmichele_: D15:21
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hrwwho use scandinavian keyboard layout with n810?16:03
jkuhrw, I do16:04
hrwjku: how you get oslash char?16:04
hrwjku: according to keymap it is on right from "M" key16:04
hrwjku: let me find it on my keyboard..16:04
jkuahh, that's not the same in finnish layout -- we have o with two dots16:05
hrwjku: combine "o" with "/" into one == oshals16:05
jkuoslash is there on the keyboard16:05
hrwjku: ö you mean?16:06
hrwthat key has: oslash, equal and ö16:06
hrwI know how to get ö,=,Ö but no idea how to get small/big oslash16:06
hugolpcan anyone confirm that the N800 doesnt charge throug the USB?16:07
hrwhugolp: none of nokia tablets do that ;(16:07
Takhugolp: it doesn't charge via usb16:07
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hugolpits a shame. Is there a reason?16:08
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hrwjku: idea?16:09
GeneralAntillesBecause USB wouldn't provide enough juice to charge quickly?16:09
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kpelhi all16:09
hrwjku: same situation is with next key.16:09
GeneralAntillesAlso: because of USB host-mode support.16:09
hugolpGeneralAntilles:  depending wich box16:09
GeneralAntillesAssuming USB spec: 500mA16:09
GeneralAntillesThe bundled wall-wart is 890mA16:09
hrwjku: its 'ae', apostrope and also ä16:09
jkuhrw I assume setting norwegian language would change to oslash and ae instead of ä and ö?16:10
hrwjku: no16:10
hrwjku: press key - you will get ä or Ä. with Fn you will get -. but with blocked Fn + Shift its AE16:11
hrwbut how to get small ae?16:11
hrwI need scandinavian user guide ;(16:14
|tbb|hey jku, anything new on agps for n810?16:14
jkunah, I tried reading the file format, but didn't get too far16:14
jkuI'm afraid I'm not much of a reverse engineer16:15
jkuthe first section is obviously satellite-related data: 108 bytes per sat, 32 sats16:15
jkuI thought the last section would be last location, but can't parse it -- it looks like IEEE floats but I get nothing that looks like a coordinate...16:17
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|tbb|hmmh, no reply of nokia at all?16:40
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jku|tbb|, I haven't asked N, I think lardman may have16:42
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pupniksolmumaha: i still am amazed by the 3d speed of warzone @ 640x48016:45
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solmumahapupnik: get over it!16:45
pupnikTak: you might be interested to check it out too.  something like 12+ fps in 3d16:46
solmumahaimagine if we had opengl16:46
pupnikthen we'd be screaming for more texture memory :P16:46
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pupnikporting most opengl games to tablets would require serious work imo, since so many are targeted at PC GPUs16:47
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lardmanGood news, drawing from dsp works fine now16:48
johnxvery cool!16:48
johnxthat is pretty neat damn neat :D16:48
lardmanjku: worth a post to the list to get other people looking at it?16:49
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jkulardman, I'll have another look at it in the next couple of days and then at least put what I have in the wiki16:51
lardmanjku: I'll try to take a look too16:51
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lardmankulve: Once again, I'm after the speed of global/private ipbuf, word and control message passing on the dsp. Looking for the best way to indicate to the dsp that a frame of data is ready to be colourspace converted and output16:53
lardmankulve: iirc you had some rough figures from a long while back?16:53
lardmanssvb: good news, tested output on 770, so I'll try out the colorspace conversion code this evening16:55
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ssvblardman: that's great16:59
Taklardman: huzzah!17:00
hrwssvb: are you one of mplayer-maemo guys?17:02
lardmanhrw: he is the guy!17:02
hrwthx lardman17:02
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hrwssvb: is there a way to get mplayer addons as patches instead of whole svn dump? I would like to add nokia tablets stuff into OpenEmbedded17:03
|tbb|lardman: what does this means for us,  drawing from dsp works17:04
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lardman|tbb|: yep17:04
pupnikhrw diff -r orig_mplayer_svn_tree_dir nokia_mplayer_svn_tree_dir or something like that17:04
lardmanpupnik: I think he means as a direct download17:05
|tbb|k, repost my question, what does that means for us that dsp drawing thing17:05
pupnik|tbb| it means that lardman made the co-processor draw on the screen17:05
hrwpupnik: I did. result is huge and contain misc things17:05
pupniki suspected as much sorry17:06
lardman|tbb|: oh, did you want more explanation? As pupnik says, we can output data directly from the DSP without needing to pass it back to the ARM17:08
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ssvbhrw: I would prefer to submit all the patches upstream (and actually some patches got accepted already), but some of them are not completely clean, some are still 'work-in-progress', some are nokia-specific and probably not very interesting for other devices17:09
hrwssvb: even if not interesting for other devices I would push them upstream17:11
hrwbut mplayer devs can be real pita when it comes to patches17:11
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ssvbhrw: yes, mplayer devs already rejected my maemo-specific display blanking prevention code :) saying that one should support standard methods for this and if the system is broken, it needs to be fixed17:17
ssvbthe problem is that maemo is 'broken' in this respect and the chances to get it fixed (especially on old devices such as 770) are not very high:
hrwmaemo and getting fixed...17:19
|tbb|neverending  story17:19
* GeneralAntilles starts singing.17:19
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|tbb|is it possible to save a stream which is played by builtin media-player-engine?17:20
lardman|tbb|: probably not very easily17:20
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* |tbb| was thinking it might not be that easy 17:22
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ssvbhrw: a big patch against mplayer 1.0rc1 is available for download at the garage mplayer page, I'm going to split it into separate patches when upgrading to the next upstream mplayer release (1.0rc2, or probably will wait till rc3)17:26
RS_AsleepHello :)17:30
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lardmanssvb: the 3 frames of data need to be left unaltered so they can be used by mplayer?17:34
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hrwssvb: thx - will look at it17:34
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ssvblardman: DSP needs to use 3 frames as read-only input buffers shared with ARM, ARM needs to be able to ask DSP to display any of them on screen17:58
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ssvblardman: video will be directly decoded into these buffers without using anything intermediate for storage18:02
hrwback to keymaps.. Russian keymap allow to use Cyrillic and Latin keys at same time. but how to get lowercase Latin letters with Russian keyboard18:04
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lardmanssvb: can I use the buffers to do my colorspace conversion or do they need to stay as mplayer wrote them?18:08
lardmanprobably quicker to convert & copy in the same operation I suppose anyway18:08
ssvblardman: they need to remain unchanged, mplayer will use them as reference frames for decoding next ones18:09
lardmanssvb: ok, that's what I thought18:09
ssvblardman: did you check if it is possible to use DMA on DSP?18:09
lardmanit is possible (judging from some of the Nokia code) but I'm not sure what one can DMA to and from18:11
lardmanthe link between DSP & ARM will be a shared memory buffer18:11
ssvbprobably it is possible to pipeline color conversion into several stages: transfer a line of frame data into SRAM using DMA, do color conversion in SRAM, transfer converted line into target buffer using DMA18:11
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lardmansource & target are both in slow SDRAM18:12
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ssvblardman: it does not matter if DSP will be doing conversion in SRAM and DMA will be prefetching the next line simultaneously18:13
lardmanah, fair enough18:13
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pupnikif you build libs for maemo please do not use ubuntu sources18:15
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lardmanpupnik: who's done that?18:20
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lardmanssvb: using dma requires that one registers a handler to handle the interrupt that is produced when it finishes?18:22
pupnikthere's a tcl/tk up on that is missing -dev libs and looks to be ubuntu18:22
ssvblardman: don't know, but generally there should be some method to know when the transfer is complete18:25
ssvblardman: in this case a preferable way would be to have some function which blocks until DMA transfer is done18:25
lardmanssvb: ok, I'll have a read about it18:26
lardmanhow is that better than just copying the data in code? faster?18:26
X-Fade_lardman: I got a fix on gps when flying 800km/h ;)18:26
lardmanX-Fade_: careful you're nearing the limit; you might be a missle!18:27
X-Fade_lardman: So that gps fix is not that bad :)18:27
ssvblardman: you can treat DMA as an extra (stupid) core, which is capable of copying data around18:27
lardmanssvb: ok18:27
lardmanX-Fade_: how many satellites then?18:28
X-Fade_I have a screenshot, let me see if I can put it up somewhere :)18:28
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dragornI've got some cross-country maemo mapper logs somewhere18:29
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lardmanssvb: yes, dma and irq stuff is in the chip support library18:38
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ssvblardman: have you tried using CSL on 770/n800 before?18:51
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pupnikwould dosbox properly fit under Sectino: accessories, other, or tools?18:57
pupnikmaybe a new section emulators?18:59
lardmanssvb: no, but I don't see it being a problem; whether it's possible to use DMA & IRQ without being able to alter the dsp kernel is another question18:59
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ssvblardman: do you know which one of CSL *.lib files should be used with internet tablets? there are lots of them19:04
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lardmantms320c55 with long addressing mode19:05
lardmanor a name similar to that at least19:05
* lardman 's files are at home19:06
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lardmanssvb: you planning on setting up a build?19:06
ssvblardman: I have TI toolchain installed but have not done anything serious with it yet19:09
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lardmanssvb: I'll send you the code I've got to do output to the screen19:09
lardmanssvb: you'll have a better idea than I have of how to do speed optimisation, etc.19:10
lardmanplus I'm away on holiday from next week19:10
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lardman IRQs don't look too good for the avs_kernel19:15
ssvblardman: ok, thanks, I'll have a look at it19:15
lardmanactually I may be wrong, it looks like IRQ_config() can be used to update the dispatch table, will need some looking at to make sure it doesn't tread on any toes though19:16
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lardmanssvb: will pull together the shared memory bits & colorspace conversion code I've written and email it to you tomorrow19:22
lardmancu all later19:22
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user__hello. anyone know if its possible to connect to a network using 802.1x with wep encryption?20:57
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user__nmy work has an open authentication for wep so i cant use wep w/ manual wep key entering20:59
Takuser__: no, it is not currently possible20:59
Takthere has been an open bug for that for over a year20:59
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user__yeah i know i added a comment on it i was just hoping ther was a work around..,21:00
TakI don't know of one21:00
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user__dang well thanks for the info21:02
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pH5is it normal that I have to add -march=armv6j to CFLAGS myself when compiling mplayer via dpkg-buildpackage in scratchbox?21:04
pH5otherwise compilation bombs out on the armv5te optimized idct code.21:04
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pH5ah, perfect.21:06
pH5ssvb: is it normal that I have to add -march=armv6j to CFLAGS myself when compiling mplayer via dpkg-buildpackage in scratchbox?21:06
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ssvbpH5: yes, it is. alternatively you can use 'make deb-n8x0' or 'make deb-n770'21:07
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pH5ssvb: aah, thanks.21:08
* pH5 feels stupid now for not scrolling down debian/rules far enough21:08
ssvbpH5: mplayer fails to build unless you you specify correct cpu, that's a bug, but I kept it that way because it helps preventing getting nonoptimized builds :)21:08
ssvbpH5: it should probably fail with more human readable error message though21:09
pH5ssvb: yeah, that would be nice for the first-time experience.21:09
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mwaldronGeneralAntilles hates pidgin :P21:53
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mwaldron(of course he's right, having no / commands is slightly annoying)21:54
Takheh, there was a proposal a while ago to add a togglable "command mode" that never went anywhere21:54
mwaldroni just got used to telnetting home to boot people from my channels :)21:55
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: GeneralAntilles?22:06
GeneralAntillesrm_you: rm_you?22:06
Takrm_you: GeneralAntilles?22:06
rm_youGeneralAntilles: so, you wanted the code for the beta of the combo applet?22:06
GeneralAntillesMeh, I was gonna modify the icon code for you22:07
rm_youWell, I was willing to give it to you, I just generally don't like to release code-in-progress, because the way i work at the moment means that it's VERY messy until i do my pre-release cleanup :P22:07
GeneralAntillesSo, adv-backlight-icon-<brightnesslevel>-<volumelevel>.png is the format.22:08
GeneralAntillesYeah, I understand.22:08
rm_youi don't delete any lines, EVER :P i just comment them until I have a working release... THEN i delete the unnecessary ones :P22:08
GeneralAntillesNeed to either change m to 0, though.22:08
rm_youi guess if i was working in SVN i wouldnt have to do it that way...22:08
rm_youbut i havent gotten around to setting it up yet22:08
GeneralAntillesLaziness is fun.22:09
rm_youlaziness like this is actually HARDER >_>22:09
GeneralAntillesBut still fun.22:09
mwaldronnothing worth while is easy )22:09
rm_youcrap... what OTC meds are good for cold symptoms (eg cough, stuffy nose)? lol22:09
rm_younot exactly the point of this channel, but i need to take something quickly before my next class :P22:10
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rm_youmwaldron: lol... i guess i could do that :P but i wouldnt learn much in the next few hours <_<22:10
mwaldrondamn, i added an e again22:10
GeneralAntillesand or Nightquil!22:10
rm_youlets see what I have...22:10
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: and or Nyquil!22:11
GeneralAntillesSnorting warm saline is effective, too.22:11
rm_youIbuprofen... less than helpful22:11
pupnikwill metalayer crawler (media crawler whatever) have problems if I symlink something from MyDocs to /media/mmc1 ?22:11
rm_youantihistimine pills (generic allergy OTC)... maybe22:11
GeneralAntillesI also recommend gargling the hottest, saltiest water you can stand.22:11
Takshouldn't, as long as there's no loop22:11
rm_youa bottle of Captain Morgan...22:12
GeneralAntillespour it all in together22:12
mwaldronwake up in a week feeling better22:12
GeneralAntillesor dead22:13
GeneralAntilleseither way, no more cold!22:13
rm_youbut then who would maintain adv-backlight? >_>22:13
`0660Ibuprofen + coffee ~= most cold and flue medicines22:13
mwaldronwow, we brought it full circle back to on topic22:13
GeneralAntillesSeriously, try gargling hot salt water.22:14
mwaldronis there a gui ftp client for this thing?22:14
rm_youapparently I got invited to UPE (ACM honor society?)22:14
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GeneralAntillesWas for OS2007.22:14
rm_youodd :P22:14
mwaldronthat would be a no..22:14
rm_youGeneralAntilles: i looked for 2007, never found one <_< which did you use?22:15
GeneralAntillesI don't remember what it was called.22:15
rm_youGeneralAntilles: can you link me those icons again?22:15
rm_youwait nm found em22:15
mwaldronthere's a bittorrent client and not an ftp client. sad world we live n22:15
GeneralAntillesHey, ho, here you go!
GeneralAntillesWho wants to guess how I found it? :P22:16
mwaldronpsychic abilities?22:16
mwaldronpsychotic abilities?22:16
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pupnikthere's lftp, the best client22:17
rm_youGeneralAntilles: is there a "zero" brightness level?22:17
GeneralAntillesYeah, 1.22:18
rm_you1 indexed <_<22:18
rm_youso there's 7 brightness levels, from 1-7?22:18
GeneralAntillesI stole Nokia's naming scheme.22:18
GeneralAntillesJust rename them. :P22:18
rm_youwill do :)22:18
rm_youbbl, class. *MAYBE* a release tonight22:19
GeneralAntillesSounds good.22:19
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mwaldroni downloaded package 1.7, it installed version 1.622:21
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MangoFusionhey guy's22:27
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MangoFusioni'm having problems installing the v4 sdk. whenever i apt-get in the scratchbox, it says "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (2 No such file or directory)"22:31
MangoFusionany ideas? =/22:31
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RS_AsleepYou logged in as root?22:34
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MangoFusionin the scratchbox22:35
RS_AsleepSpeaking from using debian on a PC, I only get that when I'm not logged in as root. Apart from that, I have no idea :/22:35
MangoFusionnaturally works fine in normal ubuntu, just not in the scratchbox22:36
MangoFusionvery weird22:36
* RS_Asleep is out of suggestions then22:36
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Fang64uhm could use the sudo command with apt-get see if that gets you around22:51
mwaldroni need to figre out the password on my sudo command22:51
BTobotrasAnybody IRCing from OS2008 here?22:52
Fang64should be the same as root22:52
mwaldroni noticed yesterday it doesn't seem to be the same as root22:52
lcuki am looking at streamlining some *simple* dev work on the tablet.  im not after compiling masterpieces, just small examples.  does anyone know where i can get the make tools and gcc running natively on my 810.  or do i need to make the toolchain myself22:52
Fang64you could edit the sudoer file22:52
mwaldroni installed openssh, it made me set the root password22:52
lcuk(hello everyone by the way)22:52
mwaldronsudo... doesn't work22:52
BTobotrasGeneralAntilles: 10x!22:52
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GeneralAntillessudo gainroot, mwaldron?22:53
lcukyou need to install the becomeroot package as well first though22:53
mwaldroni was using ssh root@localhost to do root stuff22:53
GeneralAntillesuser isn't a sudoer by default or somesuch.22:53
lcukavailable from one of the other repos22:53
MangoFusionFang64: no sudo in there22:53
MangoFusionin any case i'm just going to do a reinstall from scratch to see if that automagically fixes it22:53
mwaldronGeneralAntilles: sudo asks me for password. dunno what it wants, i don't have one22:54
GeneralAntillesrootme by default22:54
Fang64thought he was speaking from the pc not the maemo platform22:54
mwaldronoh rootme22:54
mwaldronkk will try it22:54
GeneralAntillesIf it's not accepting that and you haven't changed it, then you need to install becomeroot.22:54
mwaldronrootme didn't work22:54
lcukgen, doesnt it give you some arsey message about not wrecking device22:54
mwaldronguess i need becomeroot22:54
GeneralAntillesiunno, lcuk. It does something. :P22:55
MangoFusionbecomeroot + $sudo gainroot = :)22:55
mwaldroni can ssh root@localhost, that works22:55
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Fang64that's bizzare22:56
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mwaldroni just changed root password (via ssh@localhost) and passwd, didn't change sudo22:58
GeneralAntillesFang64, no, that's normal. ;)22:58
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Fang64so I take it maemo doesn't have a sudoer file like other distros22:59
mwaldronok, time to fix this22:59
GeneralAntillesIt does, user just isn't in it by default.23:00
lcukbecomeroot package expands sudoers i think to include user23:00
lcukwhat GeneralAntilles said..23:00
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Tobotras-GeneralAntilles:  10x!23:02
GeneralAntillesNo, 100x!23:02
Tobotras-Be my guest :-)23:03
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mwaldronok, i haev becomeroot installed23:05
mwaldroni can sudo gainroot23:05
GeneralAntillesNow you can relax and have a cup of tea.23:05
mwaldroni still can't, for instance, sudo ping23:05
mwaldronmm cup of tea sounsd good actually23:06
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mwaldrontea brewing23:07
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niteOwlmmm tea :-) - just had a pot of upton tea - black dragon23:08
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mwaldronashby's raspberry tea here23:09
GeneralAntillesSweet tea FTW!23:11
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mwaldronwoo my screen protectors shipped23:15
mwaldronok, i did a search on this, and only found os2007 stuff, so is there a .deb anywhere for os2008 iputils? particulary traceroute?23:16
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dcordesscreen protectors are complete evil business23:19
edistar|1onedcordes: hi ;)23:19
mwaldrondcordes: indeed23:20
pH5mwaldron: there is iputils-tracepath23:20
mwaldrondcordes: but after 15 years i've gotten used to them23:20
mwaldronpH5: repository/url?23:20
dcordesmwaldron: I mean the people who sell them for 10 euros on ebay ^^23:20
mwaldronah yeah23:21
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lcuki wonder if you could create a pour on protective screen23:24
lcukmix, pour leave it to solidify23:24
pH5spin coating! :)23:24
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lcukjust a thin surface layer, like a soapfilm but armor plated23:25
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mwaldronwoo, tracepath works23:28
mwaldrontomorrow i get to do the hard stuff23:28
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tsukasasup guys...23:29
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mwaldronthese guys putting up with my newb questions23:29
MangoFusionbah, screen protectors23:29
tsukasayou think its worth getting a n800 now or waiting for the next iteration later this year23:29
tsukasait looks pretty sexy23:29
MangoFusioni tend not to dig the stylus into the screen so i tend not to use them23:30
mwaldronmy gf wants an 80023:30
mwaldronshe wants 810, but saw price and decided she could live wo keyboard23:30
tsukasaanyone happen to know anything about the next one nokia is putting out23:30
tsukasaif its another 810 with gps ill do without lol23:30
MangoFusionmy experience with my n800: started off with OS2007, thought it was great. Installed the recently released OS2008, grew frustrated, and is now sporadically used23:31
tsukasawhats wrong with 0823:31
lcukMangoFusion, why dont you put 2007 back on then?23:31
lcukseriously, its not like it stops working just because another system just came out23:31
pupnik1 month here, perfectly stable23:31
MangoFusioni'm clinging onto the vague hope that perhaps they'll fix the issues in an update23:32
lcukif it works well for YOU and you are happy with it, rebuild it how you liked it23:32
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lcukthey might do in time, but for now dont worry about it23:32
MangoFusiontrue, i could just use OS2007. but i don't see much point downgrading just because the browser is slower and the finger tapping doesn't really work ;)23:32
pupnikdo you eat your food with your hands too?23:33
lcukbut if thats what you use mostly then moving to 2008 is like moving to vista from xp23:33
tsukasathe clock speeds are higher though23:33
tsukasaspeaking of which, is the 800/810 overclockable?23:33
edistarlcuk: everything is slower?23:33
pupnikyes, from 333 to 400 mhz23:34
edistartsukasa: was the n770 overclockable?23:34
MangoFusioni seem to have this bad luck with tablets. they never quite turn out as i expected23:34
lcukif everything is slower then why is MangoFusion experiencing slower internet - speed is not all cpu23:34
tsukasaedistar, dunno, which is why im asking23:34
edistarlcuk: just because you are saying its like a switch to vista ;)23:34
tsukasayou can tweak the tcp window to compensate...23:35
tsukasathere are two things nokia needs to do for me to love them eternally23:36
tsukasa1) provide a student discount T_T23:36
tsukasa2) release SOMETHING about their plans23:36
* mwaldron feels dejavu, taken back to the palmos days. same complaints, new paltform23:37
lcukdamn, i thought you were gonna say supply hookers, gambling table and plenty of scotch?23:37
tsukasayou got web access, what more do you need23:37
tsukasavibrate function23:37
mwaldronvibrating alarms...23:37
lcukmwaldron, its been the same from the spectrum days and the amiga days and the windows days and every other upgrading platform23:37
mwaldronlcuk: yep23:38
tsukasaspeaking of which does skype + webcam not work still?23:38
tsukasai read something on that23:38
mwaldronexcept windows. no one gives a crap :)23:38
MangoFusionyes and no vibrate functionality. how can you have a cool internet tablet with voip that doesn't vibrate?23:38
edistarhow do I kill the maemo UI without killing xserver?23:38
lcukbut people just find the right level with things.  take the humble calculator, some folks are happy with the basic 4 operator model, others want an all singing, all dancing graphing computer, am i wrong because I've kept my basic model just because a new one came out?23:39
mwaldronit was all downhill after ti-8523:40
mwaldronholds a special place in my heart. first piece of consumer electronics i overclocked :P23:41
mwaldronstill has a place on my desk :)23:41
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edistarI had a casio, 9850 GB plus that I overclocked and added memory to, that was my first calc :) still works ;)23:42
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mwaldroni saw a hp emulator for maemo23:43
mwaldronno ti though, i call discrimination23:43
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Fang64anyone attempting to port a ti emulator or none the less create one?23:44
tsukasayes lets emulate a calculator >_>23:45
tsukasathat sounds like a great idea23:45
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edistarthere are ti calc roms, and there is emulator software around, even for linux23:46
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MangoFusionjust make sure23:50
MangoFusionit supports portrait mode23:50
mwaldron*cough* garnetvm *cough*23:50
pupnik   Some problems inherent to dynamic recompilers23:51
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