IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-02-10

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pH5is the n810 really not capable of playing back 800x480 video hardware-wise, or are we just missing some armv6/dsp optimization in mplayer?00:05
pH5mplayer tells me "[nokia770] Nokia 770/N800 hardware was not detected" here, but it uses Xv. is it supposed to do that on n810?00:06
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lcuk_2if (!(check_nokia_device_type("Nokia N800") || check_nokia_device_type("Nokia RX-44"))) {00:10
lcuk_2            mp_msg(MSGT_VO, MSGL_INFO, "[nokia770] Nokia 770/N800/N810 hardware was not detected\n");00:10
lcuk_2i was just reading that earlier00:10
lcuk_2perhaps you are in a different zone than RX-44..   PLUS, it looks like you are using an old version...the one in cvs mentions the 810 in error report00:11
lcuk_2that actually looks wrong anyway00:12
pH5ok, I just got it from the feeds00:14
* pH5 goes hunting for the source00:15
lcuk_2theres where i was reading, follow it backwards00:15
pH5lcuk_2: thanks00:17
pupnikfysa: yes i do00:19
pupniklcuk_2: /usr/lib/
pupnikpH5 can't be done00:20
pH5pupnik: bandwidth problems or missing computing power?00:20
pH5ugh :)00:21
fysawhere are you going to find 800480 video anyway?00:21
pupnikhigh quality 400x240 transcodes look very good to me00:21
* pH5 waits for cortex a8 based devices to show up00:22
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GeneralAntillesfysa, 640x480 is common and close enough.00:22
pupniki have no HD sources anyway00:22
fysa640x480 isn't as common as you may think. :)00:22
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lcuk_2pupnik, sorry might have misrepresented my request: inside the library, SDL_VideoInit() is called initialising the SDL_Videodevice jump table, which one does the n810 use?00:22
pH5400x240 is awfully blurred. even the hx4700 could do better.00:22
lcuk_2there is an x11, a directfb and others for specific device types00:23
fysayou can do way better than 400x240.00:23
pupnikx11 afaik, but i never mess with that in SDL programs00:23
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fysa624x352 XVID @ 972Kbps w/143Kbps MP3 48KHz audio - works perfectly in mplayer.00:24
lcuk_2i was just tracing my way through the call stack offline and seeing where it took me00:24
lcuk_2i was following the UpdateRects down and for x11 it appears to be a null function00:24
lcuk_2so i wondered if i had taken a wrong turning somewhere00:25
pH5fysa: ah, that sounds a bit better. mp3 decompression is done on the arm in mplayer, right?00:25
fysahere's another.00:25
pupnikwait, you actually want to *understand* sdl?00:25
fysastandard run-of-the-mill internet release.00:25
lcuk_2no i want to go below it, and will follow the calls into x if i have to00:25
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fysa624x352 @ 29.97fps, 947Kbps, 128Kbps MP3 audio.00:25
fysaworks perfectly.00:25
fysano transcoding necessary00:26
lcuk_2just academic, im following the code and getting some understanding of it00:26
fysaI only transcode from HD..00:26
fysamind you, the only way you will see that performance is if you are playing from SD -- and not streaming.00:26
pupniklcuk_2 i think mplayer is the sensei as far as fast screen updates00:27
fysanetwork overhead is too high00:27
lcuk_2yes i know, but i cant make a call and follow it, its not a clear path to something i can trace00:27
lcuk_2with sdl ive got acual code and know that i am taking actual rectangles of data and sending them to places and can see that part working because ive got things in front of me and i know what is meant to happen...00:29
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RS_AsleepAnyone seen any discussions about the BBC iplayer using OS2008 at all. I can't see to find anything on google (unless I'm being daft and not sticking the word keywords in)00:30
lcuk_2RS_Asleep, the flash one is tantalising isnt it.00:30
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lcuk_2so far thats the only one which they are doing for other systems, the actual windows app uses MS codecs if i remember rightly00:31
fysapupnik: you can see a mouse pointer with synergy?00:31
lcuk_2they announced a mac version coming soon00:31
RS_Asleeplcuk_2: Yeah... It's so jerky though :( Having said that, it gets further than both the Wii and PS3 browsers.00:31
elbI've never used a flash video which played right on the n81000:32
lcuk_2it might be nice to see if some of the offline youtube scanners can grab bbc content00:32
pupnikfysa no00:32
elbalthough that was all the talk of the town, for a while00:32
GeneralAntillesHave you waited for YouTube videos to finish loading?00:32
lcuk_2the best playback of flash video i have seen was on something like break or ejb, ill find the link when missus comes home00:32
RS_AsleepSadly I don't know much about flash :/00:33
lcuk_2GeneralAntilles, the youtube videos are annoying00:33
GeneralAntillesEr, yes, YouTube does suck.00:33
GeneralAntillesBut they run fine if you let them load.00:33
lcuk_2they suck balls man00:33
pupnikwell thanks to solmumaha i have seen a true 3D 640x480 commercial game run on a tablet now00:33
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RS_AsleepI don't think the BBC iPlayer buffers though.00:33
pupnikwarzone2100..  amazing00:34
lcuk_2RS_Asleep, the bbc player is also highres flash video, its very nice00:34
RS_Asleeplcuk_2: I was about to ask if it was due to the video being very high quality00:34
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fysapupnik: wha tis this?00:35
fysapupnik: on the IT?00:35
lcuk_2since i am at a dead end for now iwthout my device i might have a look at what the iplayer is doing and see if i can snarf a stream00:35
pupnikGemRB?  or the music?00:35
fysahaha :)00:35
fysano, not that -- sorry.  warzone.00:35
fysawarzone 2100 on the IT?00:35
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elbI l ike how the os2008 user site has about 4 pixels of horizontal scroll ;-)00:35
lcuk_2if i can get a stream then it should be feasible to do something00:36
lcuk_2i like how the internettablettalk forum has massive images by default so its slow as shit if you are using your internet tablet00:36
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elbyeah I use some 'mobile' theme00:37
elbwhich is ... not ideal00:37
elbbut at least it's fast00:37
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GeneralAntillesClassic is plenty fast.00:37
lcuk_2i might do some proxy fixing for my tablet00:37
lcuk_2classic = the one with all images?00:37
GeneralAntillesClassic = the old one.00:37
GeneralAntillesand it works fine.00:37
elbI should try that00:37
lcuk_2default no cookies one?00:38
GeneralAntillesI dunno00:38
GeneralAntillesUse it and find out. :P00:38
lcuk_2i need an account to do that...00:38
RS_AsleepThe NASA TV stream is quite impressive mind on the n800 :D00:38
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RS_AsleepSomething I said? :/00:41
lcuk_2not at all, i just went looking over the bbc iplayer00:42
RS_AsleepAhh heh00:42
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lcuk_2you lot are gonna have to go bye bye, im gonna do some packet tracing :)00:43
lcuk_2back later00:43
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pupnikbah i gotta increase the maemo vmdk disk size or something00:45
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pupnikthe nokia internet tablets need more games porters.  i am spread too thin00:50
pupniki can help anyone who wants to get started00:50
shackanwho has time to play games anyway00:53
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pH5I bet pupnik doesn't have time to play either :)00:55
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pupnikbuilding/porting/tweaking is more fun than playing01:09
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solmumahai like packaging01:10
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NaviI like sleeping.01:32
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NaviAw, no libvorbis?02:18
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Null-PI just compiled "Crawl" (rogue-like) for n810.  it runs but crashes/exits after a few seconds02:18
Null-Pis GDB the best tool to debug this?02:19
Null-P(I'm not well versed in linux dev)02:19
Null-P*sigh* i miss visual studio02:19
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ssvbNull-P: execute "echo 3 > /proc/cpu/alignment" as root, and try to run crawl again02:20
Null-Pinteresting, ok02:20
ssvbNull-P: if crawl has unaligned memory accesses, they will be fixed at runtime and reported in dmesg log02:22
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Null-Psh: /proc/cpu/alignment: No such file or directory02:22
Null-P(this is in a VMware shell, BTW)02:22
Null-Pnot on the actual device02:22
Null-Pthough, I could try that as well02:22
ssvbNull-P: what's VMware shell? are you not attempting to run crawl on N810?02:24
Null-PI'm running Linux in a Virtual Machine on Windows.  Works quite well actually02:25
Null-PI built crawl there02:25
Null-Psomeone created a free/legal maemo environment for the free VMPlayer.  it's pretty much plug & play02:26
ssvbin any case, the most interesting information for you is getting stack backtrace02:26
Null-Pyeah, I need to catch it at the moment it crashes02:26
ssvbrun "gdb crawl" or whatever the executable name is02:26
Null-Pok, I've run it under gdb.  how can I catch the termination?02:27
ssvbthen type "r" gdb command02:27
ssvbafter the game crashes, type "bt"02:27
Null-Pno dice.  "02:27
Null-P"Program exited with code 0377"02:28
Null-Pbt says "no stack"02:28
Null-Pit's already dead & gone02:28
ssvbyou will get a stack backtrace, but the game should be compiled with debug information02:28
Null-PI compiled debug.  I'll do it agian to be sure.02:28
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Null-Pyeah, same thing.  maybe the makefile is screwed up?  it does have a "debug:" section02:30
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Null-Pbreaking in shows no symbols loaded either.  not a good sign02:31
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ssvbNull-P: if gdb reports that the program exited, it may have really exited for whatever reason and not crashed02:37
Null-Pah, that could make sens02:38
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ssvbNull-P: you can try to set breakpoint on 'exit' function ("b exit" gdb command) and get backtrace if/when this function is reached02:42
Null-Pahh, lemme try that02:42
fysaaha slick.02:42
fysasynergy + KDE = see the mouse ;)02:42
Null-Pgrr, i have no symbols loaded it seems.  "function "exit" not defined"02:43
Null-Pis it a .sym file in linux?02:43
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lcukhmmmmmmm gps has let us down :(   missus could not use it whilst out on trip and is unhappy02:45
ssvbNull-P: just make sure that "-g" option is passed to gcc when compiling and linking program, you may need to modify makefile02:46
fysapupnik: you see that?02:46
fysapupnik: using penguinbait's KDE deb and updated mouse cursor, this installs/runs/works with full mouse/keyboard -
fysaso you can use your N800/N810 'dual head'02:46
fysaand then X11 forward firefox to it :)02:47
pupnikhail ssvb.  have you perhaps someday a tiny sdl demo to illustrate fast rgb565 blitting?02:48
pupnikfysa: i will look thanks02:49
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ssvbpupnik: hi, rgb565 blitting will be slower than yuv420 blitting (16-bits per pixel vs. 12-bit per pixel)02:53
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ssvbpupnik: direct framebuffer access is faster, but it can cause "garbage on screen" problem when switching between applications02:54
pupnikyes but user will be forbidden from this02:55
pupnikssvb, but it would be much work to convert SDL buffers to yuv420, no?02:55
ssvbpupnik: yes, it will02:55
ssvbpupnik: but there are special cases (grayscale, or 256 color paletted image) when converting to yuv420 is quite fast02:56
ssvbpupnik: AFAIK quake2 port uses YUV overlay, there is a thread on ITT02:57
pupnikssvb: this is straight sdl @ 800x480...  try it02:57
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monarchhello all02:57
pupniki will look into it for the 256 color case02:58
monarchjust got a new 4Gb card for my n81002:58
monarchis it supposed to click in or something02:58
Null-Pyou hae ot push it fairly far into the device02:58
Null-P1/3 inch maybe02:58
|tbb|anyone knows if and how its possible to save streams which are playing by vagalume player (on tablet)?02:59
monarchi was afraid of that, my big fingers aren't making it easy03:00
ssvbpupnik: looks nice, are you trying to make it faster?03:00
monarchok, thanks got it03:00
pupnikssvb yes!03:01
pupnikthe pixel doubled version runs 65 fps but i like full 800x48003:01
Null-Pwhich header contains strlen()?  string.h?03:02
pupnikso i look into pipeline's tricks03:02
pupnikyou can grep -ri /usr/include in scratchbox for whatever strings you need03:03
Null-Pokay.  thanks.03:03
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ssvbpupnik: have you tried to use oprofile by the way?03:06
pupniknot yet, :/ have you?03:06
ssvbpupnik: yes, it works great, and is quite easy to set up03:07
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Null-Pholy crap, Crawl works!03:09
pupniki got -fprofile-generate and -fprofile-use to work apparently,03:09
pupniknot sure about any benefits03:09
Null-Pat least in x86 it does..03:09
ssvbNull-P: what was the problem?03:10
Null-PI"m not fully sure.  I found a different make file - was using .lnx, used .bsd.03:10
Null-Pdidn't compile clean but just needed a few small bug fixes to make it compile03:10
ssvbpupnik: gcc shoul be able to generate better code with profile guided optimizations, at least theoretically03:11
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ssvbpupnik: anyway, information about installing oprofile can be found here: (it provides very nice and detailed statistics, useful when deciding what needs to be optimized)03:12
Null-Pthings like "Strlen() not defined" and "NULL" having no value.03:12
Null-Pwe use PGO on Xbox and it helps a ton in many cases03:13
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pupnikok ty03:16
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ssvbpupnik: ~20fps may be a realistic performance for 800x480 rgb565 mode, when using yuv420 color format, it can become 1/3 faster, reducing resolution also helps03:22
Null-Pwhat's the recommended filesystem for a 4gb MiniSD?  just plain old Fat32?03:23
pupnikssvb yeah i'm kind of surprised that newvox gets ~ 22fps03:23
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Null-Plater guys, thanks for the help03:33
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ssvbpupnik: do you have newvox sources with 800x480 resolution and FPS counter?03:35
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NaviHuh, I can't get sound to work off of the Maemo SDK03:47
|tbb|gnite all03:49
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NaviALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave03:50
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NaviFixed it.04:10
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leif__anyone else seeing nothing but a login page at
leif__nevermind, it works again now04:23
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pupnikNavi you have sound from maemo SDk?  since when is that possible?04:37
NaviIt's not possible?04:38
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goat|workis there a specific channel for general usage questions about the n800, or can I ask in here?04:42
GeneralAntillesThis is it.04:42
NaviGeneralAntilles, liar.04:42
GeneralAntillesNo lies.04:42
* Navi hugs GeneralAntilles04:43
goat|workI'm updating a bunch of packages, is there an equivelent to apt-get upgrade04:43
GeneralAntillesThis is the everything-maemo-ITOS-NIT IRC channel.04:43
goat|workcause it seems that I have to update everything individually04:43
GeneralAntillesapt-get upgrade04:43
GeneralAntillesDo it in xterm.04:43
NaviWell, you could ^^04:43
goat|workyeah? nice04:43
goat|workthanks much04:43
NaviI can't keep up with GeneralAntilles's awesome fast typing speed04:43
pupniki wouldn't apt-get upgrade unless i knew it were safe04:44
goat|workso its not generally a good idea to upgrade the packages to latest?04:44
pupniklet's just say it has been a problem in the past.  i don't know what your OS is, and what the safety level is.04:45
Navibreakage iz teh hax04:45
goat|worki c,  its OS2007 for now04:45
GeneralAntillesFirst step is to flash OS2008. :P04:46
Navipupnik, Well, I built and ran an SDL app, sound works in there. I assume it's just using my system's alsa :P04:47
goat|workheh, ok... thanks again folks04:47
pupnikcool.  what SDK are you running Navi?  and what sdl app?04:47
NaviMaemo SDK, the regular one. Blobwars04:47
pupnikgregale, bora or chinnok?  vmware image or native install?04:48
Navinative install04:48
pupnikscratchbox i386 or arm?04:48
pupnikok thanks04:49
* Navi didn't expect that many questions O_o04:49
pupniki'd like to try it here, ty04:49
NaviAh :D04:49
goat|worksudo password by default?04:49
NaviI don't think you need it04:50
goat|workapt-get upgrade requires root level04:50
goat|workand its asking for a sudo password04:50
goat|work<blank> didn't work04:50
goat|workoh, thats a package right?04:51
elbthat's the default root password04:51
goat|workohh, hahah04:51
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Navimaemo doesn't have a windows-native sdk?04:53
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fysaX11 forwarding Firefox via wifi LAN is surprisingly resposnive.04:58
fysafaster than the built-in browser anyway..04:58
NaviX11 forwarding is great.04:59
GeneralAntillesI was building it from fink the other day to try it out.04:59
pupnikdo you do that over ssh?04:59
GeneralAntillesToo many deps. :<04:59
Navipupnik, yes04:59
NaviBeats the other solutions05:00
fysaI have an icon on my N800 KDE desktop called "Firefox"05:00
fysathat executes:05:01
fysakillall synergyc;synergyc --name banana;ssh -X jfisher@ firefox05:01
fysaI'd like to run my IM/IRC client only off of the N80005:01
fysaand gmail/greader05:01
NaviThe only place I run my IM/IRC client is at home05:02
fysaand now I get to use grabanddrag extension for kinetic scrolling..05:02
fysaI use znc + bitlbee to get multi-client-single-session IRC+IM (usually x-chat) on all of my machines..05:03
fysaso I can start a conversation somewhere and continue it elsewhere without the other party knowing..05:03
Naviweechat+bitlbee and ssh around05:03
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fysaI used to use weechat..05:03
fysauntil I found znc :)05:03
fysathen I can use weechat and/or any local (i.e., usable with touch) client05:04
elbyeah, I use finch+screen05:04
fysaright.  which is lovely..05:04
elbbut the n810 terminal is kind of poop for that05:04
fysaif you screen+weechat with  multi machines05:04
fysayou are stuck with a weechat of a certain size..05:04
fysathat has to be appropriate for all devices05:04
Naviat the same time?05:04
elbsince it doesn't have any mode (which I can find) that's 80x24/2505:04
NaviI detach when I'm not around >_>05:04
fysayou can weechat+znc+bitlbee and use one weechat per device05:04
fysaand then each gets a proper-fitting client05:05
fysaI have a weechat running on the server..05:05
fysabut I don't want to bother with detaching05:05
fysaand if I forget, I don't want to have to kill (or type) anything05:06
fysaonce setup, this 'just works'05:06
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fysaznc stores buffers for you also, so when a new client connects to the same session, you get a history--05:06
fysayour way is fine for what you do.  it wasn't for me.05:06
Navimmk. I'm stuck in my ways, I prefer to screen -rdA :)05:07
fysaI have IRC/IM on the HTPC in the living room, all machines here connected via synergy and the N800 and the laptop that I sometimes carry around..05:07
elbscreen -x is the only way to roll05:07
fysasee, if I had an N810 it may be different05:07
Navi-x is for l00zerz05:07
Navifysa, how so?05:07
fysabecause then xterm wouldn't be like pulling teeth.05:08
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elbGod created terminals at 80x24, so resizing is irrelevant05:08
NaviI have a bluetooth keyboard I got from a friend for dirt cheap, good stuff.05:08
NaviYeah, I already looked it up05:08
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elbxterm is pulling teeth on the 810, too05:09
elbthere are some ... important ... keys which aren't on the keyboard05:09
pupnikthanks Navi i wanted to get into screen again - will remember rdA05:09
elblike, for example, |05:09
Navipupnik, :D05:09
pupnikfor a few years i feel like any time i read something, something else gets forgotten05:10
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Navielb, what keyboard, a normal one?05:12
Navior the poke keyboard?05:12
elbthe n810 slide-out keyboard05:13
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goat|workme again >.<  my n800 /os2007 doesn't seem to turn on anymore after powering it on (battery is charged)   is there a reset of some sort?05:53
goat|worknvm, i guess a little time off fixed it05:55
Tama^2tried removing the battery for a while?05:55
leif__goat|work, see
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Tama^2I wish I could see more dubug info in dmesg about mmc05:58
goat|workthanks leif__05:59
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Tama^2I know about that one leif but I am trying to put together reliable information to post a bug and I am afraid that using a custom kernel will invalidate my point06:01
Tama^2in other words I fear the official devs will consider my information less reliable because I was not running the stock kernel06:02
Tama^2I am trying to nail down a problem with excessive mmc power consumption when idle06:02
leif__yeah it would be useful to build the kernel with just the debug patch, and not the highspeed06:03
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Ant23ilhello everyone07:22
Ant23ilis this room where i can possibly get some help with my new n810?07:23
johnxsure, ask away :)07:23
Ant23ilawesome. well first off youtube videos wont come up. says i need a newer version of flash07:23
K-Foxfinally... for a week  it did succeed to connect networking  n800 <--> blackjack phone07:24
johnxAnt23il, hmm...I haven't looked at youtube lately07:24
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Ant23ilahh ok. well i have one other question. is it possible to pull files from a shared windows drive with this device?07:26
johnxyup...right now it only works if the share isn't password protected though07:26
johnxthe shares should show up in file manager07:26
Ant23ilharsh. not exactly safe heh07:27
johnxI guess it depends on who you let on your network07:27
Ant23ilyea. more like trying to keep the wife out :)07:27
Ant23ilwell ty for your help. you gents have a nice night. thanks johnx07:28
johnxlet me see if I can find something about flash quick07:28
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rm_you|Ikkiconjohnx: lol?07:52
rm_you|Ikkiconjust tell him to use UKTube from the UKMP project for youtube :P07:53
johnxdoes that still work?07:53
rm_you|Ikkiconi think so07:53
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johnxI thought that it got broken by youtube changing their URLs07:53
johnxbut I really wouldn't know...07:53
rm_you|Ikkiconi think he fixed it?07:53
rm_you|Ikkiconlemmie check07:53
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rm_you|Ikkiconwwell, A) the videos work on the youtube page for me07:56
rm_you|Ikkicontho laggy as usual07:56
johnxI was going to help him but he logged off after I told him to hang on for a second07:56
rm_you|Ikkiconyeah... saw07:56
johnxanyways, booted into debian on the N80007:57
johnxtracking down sound issues07:57
rm_you|Ikkiconlooks like you may be right though... uktube stuck on initializing download07:57
rm_you|Ikkiconjohnx: ah, no sound yet? or just buggy07:57
johnxvery close to sound07:57
johnxalsamixer works, but device files for pcm aren't created07:57
johnxshould be easy07:58
johnxI got alsamixer working in about 20 minutes once I actually got around to it07:58
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jga23is there any way to tell in python if I'm on maemo or linux? is the same for both08:13
johnxI think vagalume must do it somehow08:17
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elbyou could check for a non-empty OSSO_VERSION08:20
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b2therizzohello all08:31
Ant-X3hi again john08:32
Ant-X3is there something special im supposed to do to access a shared folder in windows?08:34
Ant-X3i can see the pc, but nothing inside the folder =/08:34
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johnxno idea :/08:35
johnxit should "just work"08:35
t_s_ohmm, could be some access right related issue. as in, is the shared folder passord protected or something? as i dont think the file manager has any login dialog08:36
Ant-X3i removed all users from the shared permissions and added back access for everyone08:38
t_s_ofirewall open?08:39
johnxt_s_o, it finds his computer though08:40
t_s_oindeed, silly question. sorry08:40
johnxnp :)08:40
Ant-X3yeppers turned the wall off for this =)08:40
* johnx remains blissfully ignorant when it comes to troubleshooting file sharing on windows 08:41
Ant-X3its ok. just assume i know nothing. im very new to linux.08:41
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dragornit "just works" with my samba shares08:42
dragorndon't think i have any windows shares to test08:42
t_s_oseems to work ok here to, winxp at the moment08:43
zoranso, some kind of samba software should be added to the tablet08:43
dragornsamba is already on the tablet08:43
t_s_oif one use 08, there should be no need08:43
dragornbuilt into the file app08:43
Ant-X3yes this is 08. new 810. just got it yesterday08:44
zoranmaybe the prob is on teh server side?08:44
t_s_ozoran: i would not be surprised08:44
t_s_oAnt-X3: xp or vista on the pc?08:44
Ant-X3xp pro08:44
johnxreboot everything you can find, including your fridge, dishwasher and your car08:45
zoranI'm not win savvy, but some permissions have to be set, even on win08:45
Ant-X3lol i can give that a shot.08:45
zorannot with hammer08:45
Ant-X3im fairly sure i have the permissons right08:45
t_s_oafter i opened up the firewall and started up sharing it works ok here, in simple mode that is...08:46
zoranAnt-X3, how do you connected those computers?08:46
Ant-X3everything is through lan08:46
zorann810 is via wifi?08:47
Ant-X3also my other two laptops08:47
Ant-X3yes router08:47
zorando you have ip address on n810?08:47
Ant-X3if or ip08:48
zoranip is on win, as I recall08:48
zoranor simply clear all the cash on n81008:49
dragornyou may need to allow anonymous browsing to get a list of shares08:49
dragorn(on the windows side)08:49
Ant-X3ok how do i do that? sorry im a newb08:49
Ant-X3the clear cache08:50
zoranhow do you want to find the share files, browser?08:50
Ant-X3i was trying to use file manager08:51
Ant-X3everytime i tried to use the browser it would put http:// in front of the network ip i typed in08:51
zoranwhat is should be? smb?08:52
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dragornzoran: os2008 file manager has smb browsing built in, that's what he's using.08:53
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dragornif it has any sort of a cache, i'd expect it to be cleared when you close file manager.  If it isn't, i don't know of any way to clear it.08:54
zoranin bsd world, I found samba-nmblookup to make a look at that share08:54
dragornzoran: samba cli tools aren't in 200808:54
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zoranwhat if all units are rebooted, turned off and then file server put to life first08:56
Ant-X3ill give that a shot. i really appreciate the help guys. brb08:57
zoranbtw, what file formats are on the share?08:57
dragornif it's seeing the server in the shares list and can't browse the contents then it's an issue on windows with how it exports the shared directories to an anonymous browser.08:57
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dragornzoran: smb shares are smb/cifs format, the underlying filesystem is irrelevant, it's a meta-layer08:57
zorandragorn, you think it needs software indentification?08:57
zoranlike: "hey, I'm your win friend, let me in!"08:58
dragornI don't know what you mean by "software authentication".  Smb = Windows file sharing, and it has support for authentication and share announcement control, yes.08:58
zoranhave to google for it now, must to say08:59
zorananother complaint on ITT09:01
zoranno files/folders as error message09:01
zoranmount -t cifs //server/directoryes -o user=user,password=pass  ?09:03
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dragornzoran: he's not using a cli samba.  It's built into the file manager.09:04
zoraneh, on the same ITT it says that file manages does not supportauthentication for cifs09:04
dragornhence, he needs to check his anonymous browsing permissions on windows :P09:04
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zorandragorn, is it possible to have 2 Ant user connections at the same time?09:06
dragorni don't know what an ant user is09:06
Proteousvery very small 8 legged user09:06
zoranAnt-X3, from laptop and n81009:06
Ant-X3=/ still picks up the computer. no files though09:07
zoranAnt-X3, disconnect laptops from the share to see if it works then09:07
dragornyes it's perfectly possible to have multiple users browsing the same share09:07
zoranwith the same name?09:07
dragornif you see the share and don't see files, it's a permissions issue on the share.09:07
dragornYes, of course.09:08
Ant-X3im only on through the 810. only things on are the server and the 810 atm09:08
Proteousnot to be confused with an aunt user, which is like a luser but is your fathers sister09:08
dragornProteous: clever.09:08
zoranITT, maybe wrongly, says that only multimedia files could be shared that way. I doubt09:09
dragornyup that's wrong09:09
zoranif fm has acces to smb/cifs, some libs are around. maybe they could be used the other way09:10
zoransomething like sshfs09:11
johnxzoran, there's not reason you couldn't compile up smbnetfs for fuse09:11
Ant-X3i did see a guide on on how to install cifs and mount the share in xterm09:11
zoranpatch to fuse09:11
zoranlibs are there, since you user it09:12
dragornor install full samba.  But none of that will play terribly nice with filemanager.  Knock yourself out in xterm tho.09:12
zoranso, just front end is needed09:12
zoranAnt-X3, what is on that server?09:12
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dragorndepending how smb is implemented, maybe.  Maybe not.09:12
Ant-X3what exactly are you needing to know?09:13
zoranwhat are file types on it?09:14
dragornwhy do you think that has anything to do with his problem?09:14
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Ant-X3mostly .avi and mp3. just media09:14
dragornnever mind.  Have fun.09:14
zoranshoot in blank09:14
johnxAnt-X3, if you keep having problems with this a UPnP server for media files could be an alternate solution09:15
zorank, maybe some logs could be found on win?09:15
Ant-X3upnp. i havent set that up before, but im game for anything that will work09:15
zoranu c shared files from laptops?09:16
Ant-X3the laptops could access the share when it was passcoded09:21
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zoranITT sais repeatedly that passworded shares are a no go09:22
johnxzoran, he knows that...he already changed that09:22
Ant-X3maybe when i removed them and added the "everyone" group i screwed something up09:22
Ant-X3yea i removed pw09:23
johnxAnt-X3, is there another way to do that, like "allow anonymous" or something?09:23
zoranmaybe "guest"09:25
Ant-X3i moved to the security function. i do see an option for "list folder contents"09:26
zoranxp or n810?09:27
Ant-X3stupid explorer crapped out >.< going to try again09:28
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zoranpeople let user option empty and set uid as user,guest09:28
zoranif possible on filemanager09:29
zoransmbfs and smbclient on maemo-hackers site09:32
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zoranah, os2006, sorry09:33
Ant-X3ahh well. ill have to play with this tomorrow. thanks for the help everyone.09:34
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zoranhey, found a link to something insteresting!09:34
zorancifs.ko from fanoush module archive09:35
zoranthan smbfs package from cid armel repo09:35
zoranposter is gole on ITT, he said it worked for him09:36
zoranhe see files in filemanager09:36
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zoranmaybe the solution is this, if any1 interesting to read few line?09:41
zorantake fanoush cifs.ko module and load it09:41
zoranthan mount from command like:09:41
johnxzoran, he left...09:42
zoranlogs are around for him to read09:42
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holla44where do I report a bug (feature request) for os2008 chat-ui?09:47
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[AD]Turbohi all11:21
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pupniki'd like to profile fmopl some time12:16
pupnikand the rest of the sb code12:16
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K-Foxwhat is application to play movie and mp3 together on n800 ?13:38
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michele_ohh nice new cover selector in canola13:57
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K-Foxmichele : what is application to play movie and mp3 together on n800 ?13:58
K-Foxon play list13:59
K-Foxcanolar is possible?14:00
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michele_K-Fox: look at the site and see if it's what you need14:01
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lardmanmorning all14:05
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K-Foxistalling canola 2 beta14:07
michele_can I access the internet from inside scratchbox?14:08
lardmanyou should be able to anyway ;)14:08
michele_should it just work? because, you know, it doesn't :)14:09
lardmanit should do yes, is it a dns problem?14:10
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michele_yes, that was the problem, thank you lardman14:11
michele_oh great... I wanted to debug a segfaul in modest, but in scratchbox it works fine :/14:14
michele_and I can't get it to dump core on the device14:14
lardmangdb on device?14:15
michele_eh... I was trying to avoid it :)14:16
lardmanoh well14:17
djcbmichele_: if you find modest crashes, please file a bug14:18
djcbwith as much detail as you can get about servers etc.14:18
djcbesp. test accounts are helpful, so we can reproduce14:18
michele_hey djcb14:19
michele_I don't think I can provide a test account, as it's my company mail server14:19
michele_it's a kerio mail server14:19
djcbok.... well, if we can reproduce it, it's probably easy to fix14:20
djcbif not14:20
djcbit gets a bit harder14:20
michele_and I suspect it's due to its funky imap layout14:20
michele_as I had to mess with prefixes in thunderbird too14:20
djcbwell, modest shouldn't crash14:21
jkumichele_, to get core dumps I think /media/mmcX/core-dumps/ needs to exist14:21
michele_jku: really? let's try14:21
jkualso, you might want to try sp-rich-core:
jkuI have yet to try it, but it looks useful14:22
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michele_oh yes14:30
michele_jku: you was right, the directory needs to be there14:30
lardmanthat's a useful thing to know, thanks14:32
michele_uhm I wonder if I can use a core dump from the device to get a backtrace in scratchbox...14:36
K-Foxcanola2 beta do not play automatically a next movie on movie part14:36
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michele_lardman: about core dumps...
lardmanah, I never bothered to read the latest one; thanks :)15:19
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melmothI need libgdbm-dev to compile maemomapper from svn.Any idea where to get it from ?16:11
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, haha. I'm ready (again) to just torch the place.16:35
lardmanGoogle is running slowly again16:35
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lcuk10 kBytes transfered, at 0 Bytes/s16:44
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johnxlet's see, carry the one, divide by zero and (segmentation fault)16:44
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lcukits in windows so its expected16:45
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lardmananyone got a link for a site about starting XWindows programming? I'd like to work out what to link my test program against16:54
zuhlardman: "XWindows"?-)16:54
lardmanXfree, Xorg, X11, all that sort of stuff :)16:55
braddbrwhat to link against? you mean -lX1116:55
lardmanyes, that's exactly it, do I only need to link against libX11?16:55
lardmanfor basic X functions that is16:56
* michele_ really wants aptitude on device16:56
braddbrif its just a simple xlib app.. if you use threads(lotsa probs wit X and threads) -lpthread16:56
* lcuk is glad his device doesnt have attitude16:56
braddbryeah, just -lX11 if you're basically creating windows, drawing, etc16:56
lardmanyep, very simple, creates a window then allows dsp to overwrite that area, then destroys window16:56
braddbryeah, -lX11 should do it then16:57
GeneralAntilleslcuk, it doesn't? :P16:57
lcuklard, any chance i could borrow that test (not interested in the dsp section)16:57
lcukno, mine doesnt16:57
lardmanlcuk: sure, you can take a look at it, not sure it will work mind you ;)16:58
lcukthats ok, im just looking through the omapfb stuff at the mo and hitting a few dead ends, if i go through x at least i can follow the path16:58
lardmanbest bet is probably to follow svb's code from mplayer, that's what I've copied basically16:59
lcuk(it doesnt help that ive got youngest hovering around)16:59
melmothGRumble. where can i find libgpsmgr-dev ?16:59
dragornmelmoth: it's in the repos in the sdk for me16:59
* melmoth note it s a bit of a pain to find devel package on maemo16:59
lardmanoops, not a proper link any more16:59
lcukive just been checking out the svn for mplayer but its failed about 4 times, and theres not much more i can do reading the websvn16:59
braddbri can send my /x11/smg_x11.[cpp/h] file if you guys want it.. its c++, basically has window opening, surface getting stuff in it (and window breating / colormap stuff too)16:59
melmothdragorn: hmmm, like..localy ?17:00
lardmanbraddbr: would be interesting17:00
dragornmelmoth: no, but it was in one of the default repos in the sdk17:00
braddbrk, gimme a sec17:00
melmothdragorn: apt-cache dont find it anymore here (chinook)17:00
lcukbraddbr, that sounds like a nice base17:00
dragornmelmoth: did for me, dunno what to tell you.  I said "why the eff wasn't this in here already" and installed it, no real issues17:01
jkumelmoth it's in the nokia binaries17:01
lcuklard, ive been browsing that since yesterday i got device back and was wanting to get something together but damned tortoiseSVN keeps failing17:01
jkufiles should be in ~/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0/17:02
jkuand sources.list should find them there17:02
lardmanlcuk: here's my first crack
melmothahhh, i think i....rmed this directory :)17:02
melmothAny idea how to get it back easily ?17:02
dragornthat might do it :P17:02
jkumelmoth, that's a mistake if you want to do anything with location on chinook...17:03
melmothi just realised now.17:03
dragornapt-cache seems annoyingly reticent to tell you what repo something comes from17:03
melmothWill see if i got a backup copy17:03
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melmothotherwise i ll just... reinstall (or dont try to play with maemomapper :) )17:03
jkucheck the SDK install instructions, it should be easy17:03
lcuklardman, thanks :) i notice you gave up ont he omapfb.h ;)17:05
lcukit took a bit of searching to get it included in mine17:05
lardmanlcuk: not sure I need it17:05
lcukits got the direct refresh LCD call inside it17:05
lardmanlcuk: I removed everything I didn't think I needed17:05
lardmanlcuk: I'm doing that from the DSP17:05
braddbranyone have a ftp site i can post the x11 stuff to?17:06
lcukthen its all good :)17:06
lardmanbraddbr: is it a single file?17:06
lardmanbraddbr: pastebin?17:06
braddbrwell its the .h and the .cpp17:06
braddbrgimme a minute17:06
* lcuk gives braddbr as long as he needs :)17:07
* lcuk configures lardman.c17:07
lardmanlcuk: have to head out, let me know if it works or not (probably not :) ), I'll test it when I get back17:08
lardmanbraddbr: I'll grab your files when I get back too17:08
lcukalright, ill be playing around with it today17:09
lcukthanks lard, cya later17:09
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melmothOk, i think i got it :)17:10
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lcukbraddbr, ive gotta make some dinner, but if you manage to get something up just let us know  i will look in a few mins17:14
braddbri will17:14
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lcuk_dinner:) thx17:14
lcuk_dinnerlardman|away, your example compiles and goes to black base screen after removing your /dev/dsptask/fbtest section. i added -lX11 to the library list to get it resolving :)17:28
braddbrwell my code is too big to paste to pastbin but i made you's a simple window-opening pastebin
braddbrmy X stuff does work on my nokia, so let me know if you need more code snippets and i will be glad to paste17:32
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braddbr(i havent learned how to integrate with hildon / gtk yet so don't ask me that :) )17:37
K-Foxis it possible to install Opera Mini on n800?17:40
lcuk_dinnerthankx braddbr i have downloaded and will look once i stop being bugged by all family for bits of me17:41
braddbrok :)17:41
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pupniki know devs who could do great things with a n800 n81017:42
braddbrmy first app is coming along.. its a simple grid-like editor to make little images :)17:42
K-Foxopera mini is reduced greatly the data traffic17:42
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braddbrwhat are you trying to do lcuk_dinner ?17:44
johnxK-Fox, no. opera mini only works on the version of java for mobile phones (JavaME?) as far as I understand17:45 will shrink web sites, but doesn't make them look as nice as opera mini17:47
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lcuk_dinnerbraddbr,  just get the feel for x and the omapfb on 810.  just starting17:58
pupnikbraddbr: those are fun to make iconic gfx with - esp back in the low-color era17:58
braddbryeah.. i had a headache learning about colormaps under X11.. pretty simple now tho17:59
braddbrwhat is omapfb, direct access to screen pixel-map?17:59
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K-Foxjohnx: ok~~~18:03
HallinI read something about native GCC in Maemon, anyone got any details?18:08
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pupniknative's free-pee pees and mammaries?18:13
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braddbrHallin, you maean a gcc compiler for maemo arm?18:14
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braddbr_sorry, d/c18:22
Hallinbraddbr_: Yes, correct.18:23
JaffaHallin: it's just, i.e. SDK packages on the device itself18:23
HallinAha, I see.18:26
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pupnikYou are advised to learn how to use scratchbox to develop for the tablets.18:29
HallinAlready using scratchbox, gcc on the device itself could be fun, though.18:30
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Zmikohey, is the keyboard on the n810 worth the extra price over the n80018:42
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dragornimho, yes.  Or more accurately, not having the onscreen KB using up half the screen is.18:42
Zmikoya, I agree it's better, but I'm trying to decide if it's $200 better18:42
dragornalso gps, though the gps is kind of crap18:43
dragornThat I can't tell you :P18:43
dragornFor me, it's worlds better than the 80018:43
Zmikoyou've had both?18:43
dragornI've had all three18:43
Zmikoi see18:44
dragornI never liked the design of the 800.  the 810 still has some quirks, but it's much more useful to me than the 800 ever was18:44
GeneralAntillesMy personal recommendation is to save the cash and get the N800.18:44
dragornothers have other opinions.  You could also get a small BT keyboard, and use that, so long as you don't need to type any passwords18:44
GeneralAntillesBut I can't say that I've used the N810 for more than 10 minutes.18:44
dragornpasswords over BT = bad :P18:44
GeneralAntillesThe fullscreen thumbboard on the N800 works very nicely for me.18:45
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lardmanbraddbr: thanks18:45
GeneralAntillesAlso to consider: Dual SDHC versus single MiniSD18:45
Zmikothanks guys18:45
Zmikothere's a lot to consider18:45
dragornif you plan to use it for just dicking around in the browser and playing a movie, 800 is fne18:46
dragornif you want to use it to write anything or use the terminal for much, you're probably going to be unhappy with the onscreen kb18:46
Zmikoi'm planning on it replacing my palm tx18:46
lardmanhear hear18:46
dragornhaving not used a palm since the mid-90s, I don't know what that means :)18:46
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Zmikobrowsing the web, calendar, to do18:47
Zmiko's, contacts18:47
Zmikoi know the browser's tons better18:47
Zmikoand there's the garnet vm so I can run all of my palm apps18:48
dragornThe browser is good.  I haven't found anything I cared for for any of the others18:48
dragornyeah i guess18:48
Zmikoanyone used the garnet vm?18:48
jeff1fI wouldn't use it as a palm replacement, though18:48
BTobotrasWhat do you guys use for notes? quicknote looks buggy18:49
Zmikoi also ordered a nokia n95 8gb18:49
jeff1fOh, good, use the n95 for your pim and calander stuff18:49
Zmikothat's what I was thinking18:49
Zmikoand tablet for web and some music18:50
lardmanbraddbr_: what is the variable dis in your code?18:50
braddbr_Display *dis; // its the connection to the X server18:51
lardmanso it should be d?18:51
lardmanDisplay *d = XOpenDisplay(0);18:51
braddbr_Oh, yeah thats fine18:51
lardmanI thought so, just checking18:51
lardmanand if I don't actually want any XWindow events, I suppose I should still wait for the Exposure event18:52
joshinDumb 770 question, is the Omap1 in it able to take advantage of EABI and if so does OS2006/2007HE take advantage of it?18:52
braddbr_did I use d instead of dis? btw, XSIZE and YSIZE are the window size you want to create (nokia will still create the regular size window but you will only be able to access XSIZE and YSIZE)18:52
braddbr_yeah, you should wait for expose.. then you know what you draw to the window will take effect18:53
lardmanbraddbr_: yeah, you used d at the start18:53
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melmothAny maemomapper developper around ?18:54
melmothI wonder where is the poi.c:map_render_poi() function ever called (if it is)18:54
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lardmanbraddbr_: thanks18:56
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adksfhaskdljhfany gurus here?18:57
GeneralAntillesThe path to inner piece is fraught with great distraction.18:57
adksfhaskdljhfneed some help mounting an iso in OS2008 from mmc218:57
adksfhaskdljhfhe who travels alone travels far18:57
adksfhaskdljhfok General, my deathstar is an n810 and I need to bullseye something bigger than a womprat18:58
dragornnever tried it.  You'd need both loopback support and iso9660 support in the kernel.18:59
dragornLoopback it might have, iso9660 is less likely, you could probably build the modules though.18:59
GeneralAntillesTo be quite honest, I don't believe I've ever actually mounted any sort of disk image on anything besides a Mac. :#18:59
adksfhaskdljhfyeah, dragorn, i dont know that iso9660 support is in /etc/filesystems18:59
adksfhaskdljhfi believe lo sport is in the kernel19:00
dragornthat would have nothing to do with it.  You need the kernel module for iso9660.  and lo = network loopback, you need loopback block device support19:00
pupnikGeneralAntilles:  Approach, students.  Close the circle at the feet of the master.19:01
adksfhaskdljhfer /proc/filesystems19:01
adksfhaskdljhfso hey dragorn, I basically need to either compile a new kernel or build a module?19:01
dragornadksfhaskdljhf: ah, yes.  that would be different. :)  So you're going to be needing to build some kernel modules, fortunately theres a howto on the maemo site for that which appears to be accurate19:01
braddbr_i have mounted something on os2008 with mount -o loop, so i imagine loopback is supported19:02
dragornunless someone made a package for iso9660 already19:02
adksfhaskdljhfhey barddbr_, was it on a minisd card or was it on the internal filesystem?19:02
braddbr_it was on the local fs19:03
dragornwouldn't matter19:03
adksfhaskdljhfi didnt know if it would, like if i mounted the mmc using a /dev/19:03
braddbr_i just tried mounting it on mmc2.. it worked19:03
dragornloopback would happen at the VFS layer, you can even mount them over a network share (though I wouldn't suggest it as an amazingly good idea, especially for a journaled filesystem on the loop)19:04
adksfhaskdljhf i dont know the particulars, but it seems you could mount a fs as ext2 or ext3 that is on an mmc19:04
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adksfhaskdljhfso the loopback block device, like in another *nix, is a virtual device that emulates a fs?19:05
dragornThe loopback device is a virtual device that emulates a block layer device19:05
dragornit points the block layer handlers to the file (and resolves contiguous data issues at the vfs layer).  It's a pretty horrible hack all things considered but does the trick in most cases.19:06
adksfhaskdljhfwell, that sounds right19:07
dragornBut it also leads to double-caching where the VFS write cache for the filesystem hits the dirty timer and writes out, thinking it's complete & safe19:07
adksfhaskdljhfhey dragorn, where do i find that FAQ on maemo module building?19:07
dragornbut in reality it's just turned into another filesystem call, which is then cached again until the write timeout on the host filesystem triggers19:08
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adksfhaskdljhfim just trying to use the loopback for ro19:08
dragornMaking the continuity of your filesystem a little scary.19:08
dragornyeah RO is fine19:08
dragornuh,, docs, howtos, 4.0, "building the kernel" or somesuch19:08
adksfhaskdljhfso dragorn, do you use the native WM or have you used any other?19:10
dragornit's worked well enough for me and I didn't feel like losing all the existing apps19:11
adksfhaskdljhfi didnt know if anything could be more efficient than hildon19:12
dragornprobably, yes, but then you lose all the existing apps that need hildon19:12
dragornand dragging windows around at 800x400 didn't do much for me19:12
adksfhaskdljhfi just need certain apps... i hate bloat19:13
adksfhaskdljhfso does is there a default .config with the kernel source that matches the distro?19:13
adksfhaskdljhfah nm19:14
dragorntheres a command to gen the maemo config, it's in the howto19:14
adksfhaskdljhfthis is alot of work to mount a freakin iso19:14
braddbr_can't you mount the iso elsewhere and extract what you need?19:15
adksfhaskdljhfmaybe, but i just like to be able to carry my oreilly bookshelf with me in a convenient format19:17
lcuk_dinnero'rly bookshelf?19:18
Spakmanalterego: any news on your new server setup? Are you able to send me the current ruby-maemo deb so that I can host it myself until your setup is back on its feet?19:18
lcuk_dinnerwont it work if you just put it all into a folder?19:18
dragornhaving to mount an iso from shell doesn't sound terribly convenient :)19:18
alteregoSpakman, I've copied the files to here:
alteregoSpakman, my server should be up tomorrow.19:19
lcuk_dinnerplus, if you have it in folder form you can trim the fat from the stuff you never need19:19
adksfhaskdljhfalternately, ill just rdesktop to another machine19:19
braddbr_you could always throw it on a big SD card and carry that with you for when you need it19:19
alteregoI'm just testing the current network setup, then I just need to update the DNS information on my domains.19:19
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Spakmanalterego: great, thanks. Good luck with it.19:20
Spakmanalterego: has there been much progress with GtkMozEmbed?19:20
lcuk_dinneri find having a whole bookshelf in digital form is not convenient for long trips and random toilet breaks.19:20
alteregoSpakman, yeah, it will be in my next release.19:21
lcuk_dinnerits simple with a real book to cull a random page and use in an emergency, but with digital devices you can never clean them properly19:21
adksfhaskdljhfthat actually sounds painful19:22
lcuk_dinnergod man, im not a masochist - you learn quickly that a stylus isnt meant for THAT19:23
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Spakmanalterego: cool!19:23
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alteregoSpakman, yup. I want to see you create a desktop applet using the HTML renderer :P19:24
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esworpDoes anyone elsee think that there needs to be a 'applets' only category on maemo's download page?19:27
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sp3000sounds like something a tag could do19:31
sp3000oh, hm19:31
* sp3000 can't tell if the categories are tags :)19:32
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sp3000(in that they're n:n rather than 1:n, that is)19:33
Spakmanalterego: very nice sounding, I look forward to playing with it.19:34
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jga23anybody know how to remap the back button to the menu button on the n810?19:41
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tufeihi, all, i'm trying to compile a package for arm target in scratchbox, but i found that lots of devel packages are missing, like gtk+-2.0, however, compiling for x86 is fine. what am i missing here? BTW, i did the Chinook SDK automatic installation. thanks.19:48
jga23is there anyway to get microb running in the scratchbox?19:57
alteregojga23, cross compile it19:57
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timelyalterego: microb w/o a ui is moderately useless :(20:00
michele_btw, microb's site doesn't work in firefox 3 proper20:00
timelymichele_: eh?20:00
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timelydefine doesn't work20:00
michele_timely: doesn't work in firefox 3b320:01
timelydefine doesn't work20:01
michele_oh no wait :)20:01
michele_my window was too narrow and the content "frame" fell below the menu20:01
timelysorry, since half that content is mine, and since i rarely using anything other than minefield20:01
timelyi'm a wee it skeptical :)20:01
timelyah yes20:01
timelythat's not doesn't work, it's just a design decision (not mine, but i didn't feel like picking a new design)20:02
michele_timely: well, in that situation I can't read it -> doesn't work20:02
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timelymichele_: don't ever file bugs like that20:03
timelyif you want a useful response you're going to need to be a lot clearer up front20:03
michele_timely: eh.. this was not a bug report, just irc chit chat20:03
* timely shrugs20:03
timely#maemo has real life developers20:03
* lcuk_dinner is a real life developer (sometimes)20:04
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* timely wonders if the site should mention you can use os2007 or os2008 and n810s in addition to n800s, and unsupported 770s20:04
timely(or something like that)20:04
jga23should I be running scratchbox as armel or 386?20:04
timelyjga23: depends on what you want to do20:05
timelyolder qemus can't emulate enough arm in order to be useful20:05
jga23just test my python apps out20:05
lcukx86 code for testing and running in emulator.     armel for copying to device and proper running20:05
timelyif you want speed and debugability then 38620:05
lcukjga23, for python stuff i just use scp and edit files which are already on 810 (i use a windows python editor) and then just run direct from console on 810 after saving20:07
jga23lcuk: thats not a bad idea20:14
michele_incidentally, I don't know why, but firefox 3 renders text worse than the rest of the system, including firefox 220:20
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digitalfredyhello, i have a n810 and can't connect this fine to wireless ad-hoc whith olsr protocol20:35
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digitalfredycan any help me?20:36
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dragornas far as I know there is no olsr support20:41
dragorni'm not sure it's possible w/ the limited capabilities of the wifi drivers20:41
dragorntho if it only uses data frames it ought to be20:42
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digitalfredydragorn, ping20:57
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Marc31Hi!anybody has personal navicore? Private me21:04
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Marc31Hi!anybody has personal navicore 2007? Private me21:09
darkiphey, any have any idea why pages won't load once i move from a 3G into one where there is only GPRS?21:12
darkippages load fine on my N80 (which is tethered to my N810)21:12
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Marc31Hi!anybody has personal navicore 2007? Private me21:22
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jukeis there a mail client wich support imap folders  ?21:29
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Marc31Hi!anybody has personal navicore 2007? Private me21:32
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jga23anybody know how to remap the hardware keys on the n810?21:44
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genghis_lkoHello all, I would need some info on the gold pinouts found under/near the battery of the n810. I found the info on the n770 but just can't find it for the n810. I want to have a serial console, or at least see where my custom kernel panics. I have my PL2303 usb-serial ready for mod, just don't know where to make contact on the it. I just feel I don;t OWN the device until I see the kernel boot. I did output the console on the f22:06
glassyou cut off at "console on the f"22:07
Proteousit's more fun to just imagine what could have been after the f22:08
genghis_lko... framebuffer, but that adds other problems :) Thanks for any info and pointers.22:08
Proteous"I did output the console on the fridge, but it only told me I needed to get milk"22:08
Proteous"I did output the console on the first car I ever owned, I never did get that back together, it was a horrible wiring mess"22:10
genghis_lkoWell on the framebuffer it boots, then enter the rebooting game, so I don't have the time to see the output.22:11
genghis_lkoTo bad for your car, must have been a big lost !22:12
ProteousI was quoting you :P22:12
genghis_lkoYeah I know :)22:13
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jukemodest support imap folders ?22:13
Tester_juke: yes22:14
jukeTester_: how can i choose the folder subscription ?22:16
Tester_juke: dont know ;)22:16
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pupnikperhaps it is possible to log boot to somewhere on mmc, then read the bootlog with a cardreader on pc?  genghis_lko, ...22:26
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genghis_lkoYes pupnik .. for general boot process it sure is possible .. but not where my problem occurs ... fs not mounted yet22:27
meti1Hy, the my problem: is possible to use Skype Video on N800?22:29
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lardmanhmm, that confused me for a minute22:32
lardmanwork pc must be having troubles22:33
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pupnikthank you nokia for the fixed busybox vi in os200822:35
* pupnik dances the nfs dance22:37
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pupnikfaster testing cycles... should have done this ages ago22:39
genghis_lkoMy requirements of knowing the pinouts are also a caprice of knowing everything about my toy and the possibilities. And I love minicom so much !22:40
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genghis_lkoYes nfs is quite faster for rootfs dev, and won't reduce lifetime of any used media.22:41
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pupnikwhee xaos fractal browser is fast on the n81022:56
metisI would want to make a video called from n800 to PC, is possible?22:56
GeneralAntillesGizmo, metis.22:56
EruditeHermithey how do you make the tablet input via pen and fingerboard work once you disconnect a bt keyboard? I am forced to restart when I want to do it22:56
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metisGeneralAntilles, ok22:56
GeneralAntillesTurn off bluetooth.22:56
GeneralAntillesYou may not be disconnecting properly22:56
GeneralAntillesTry letting it sleep (timeout is usually 3 minutes)22:57
EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: yeah, the Bluetooth B is white22:57
EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: but it still doesn't want to use pen22:57
EruditeHermiteven after I turn bluetooth off22:58
EruditeHermitit still doesn't go back22:58
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metisGeneralAntilles, for you will arrive the video in skype for n800?22:59
GeneralAntillesHaven't a clue.22:59
EruditeHermitGeneralAntilles: is that at me?23:02
GeneralAntillesNo, metis.23:03
GeneralAntillesEruditeHermit, there's a bug on bugzilla about it somewhere.23:03
GeneralAntillesI think if you get stuck in the no-vkb situation, you have to reboot.23:03
GeneralAntillesLetting the keyboard sleep itself doesn't seem to cause trouble, though.23:04
EruditeHermitthat sucks23:04
EruditeHermitwell It did23:04
EruditeHermitit just slept and disconnected23:04
EruditeHermitbut it still remained in kbd mode23:04
GeneralAntillesI've never had the vkb disappear on sleep.23:04
EruditeHermitthats annoying23:04
EruditeHermitI hope the fix that soon23:05
lcukwhat model bt keyboard is it, and has it done this since you got it23:06
GeneralAntillesIt's not particularly reproducible as far as I can tell.23:06
EruditeHermitlcuk: yes it has, its an iGo bluetooth keyboard23:06
lcukGeneralAntilles, what model bt keyboards have you got?23:06
EruditeHermitlcuk: its called iGo Stowaway23:07
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lcukEruditeHermit, have you used it on any other devices or did you just get it for 8x0?23:07
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EruditeHermitlcuk: just for n80023:07
lcukhave you got any other machine you could test it on, just to rule it out as a factor23:08
EruditeHermitlcuk: nope not really23:08
EruditeHermitlcuk: perhaps my phone23:08
EruditeHermitits not the keyboard23:08
EruditeHermitI think23:08
EruditeHermitbecause the blue bluetooth sign becomes white, signifying it is no longer paired23:08
lcuki tend to agree, but its always worthwhile checking the things you can test here and now23:08
EruditeHermitif it is no longer paired (because it timed out or I manually disconnect it) it should revert to vkbd23:09
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eichihello, are there some problem with installing ogg support? i cant install the package23:15
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Cordon my n810 i have perl-base 5.8.3-3osso7, perl --version --> v5.8.3, in my SDK i have perl-base 5.8.3-3osso7, perl --version --> 5.8.4 . can anybody explain that to me? (Problem is, that perl-modules i build want perlapi-5.8.4 which isn't available, because packages are labeled 5.8.323:23
metisGeneralAntilles, Gizmo work to the video calls?23:25
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s1dhow do i change a set wep key23:28
s1din os2008, i see the xml files and can try to edit the key info in them but last time i tired that it really b0rked things up23:29
jkus1d, what xml files? you're not editing gconf files are you?23:30
GeneralAntillesmetis, like I said, yes. :)23:30
s1dah i found it23:31
s1dif i go to connections -> edit i can fix it23:31
s1dhehe i think i was in the past :(23:32
s1dit was a bad idea :>23:32
s1dbut yah now it's working so happy days :)23:32
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s1dthe water pipes in the basement of my apartment exploded last night23:34
s1dnow theres a pond!23:34
s1dand no working water23:34
jkus1d, if you need to edit gconf settings some other time see gconftool-2 (or gconf-editor)23:34
jkuediting by hand means trouble23:34
s1ddo i edit the schema settings with the tool23:35
s1di can google the rest up23:35
s1dthx for the tip23:35
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pupniklazy question: is there an easy build for kismet for n810 that will drop open wlans onto my gps data cache?23:38
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t_s_o800x480 on a 3" screen, wtf?!23:53
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