| lcuk_2 | am i right in thinking i can get scp to copy a file to my 810 from the vmware box? | 00:01 |
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| lcuk_2 | (from the command line as part of a script) | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, why not? | 00:01 |
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| lcuk_2 | because everything else is throwing itself at me and failing so why should something work... | 00:02 |
| * lcuk_2 is at a low ebb | 00:02 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | It can only get better from here! | 00:05 |
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| lcuk_2 | indeed it bloody well can!!!! | 00:05 |
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| lcuk_2 | i gave up on the vmware box and was reextracting and considered what i would do if it worked... | 00:06 |
| lcuk_2 | and it did :D | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots of alcohol? | 00:06 |
| lcuk_2 | i just downloaded a standard sdl program example from the web and compiled for x86 | 00:06 |
| lcuk_2 | it was failing when i did same with ANY compile when i switched to armel to actually see it on the device | 00:07 |
| lcuk_2 | nahhh, no beer yet, tho there will be now | 00:07 |
| lcuk_2 | as long as scp works now i can edit in windows over a folder (like i do for normal work), automatically save+rebuild+send (with scp..) the final copy to device for instant testing | 00:09 |
| * lcuk_2 was gettin frustrated at damned device cos everything i tried i needed some other knowledge | 00:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like reading wikipedia. :P | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It never ends! | 00:10 |
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| lcuk_2 | yer... | 00:10 |
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| lcuk_2 | because there wasn't one stage which worked consistently through everything every corner had new surprises | 00:11 |
| jott | and beware of recursions! always remember the fixpoint to get out! | 00:12 |
| lcuk_2 | i kept wanting to click my heels, but i heard the wicked witch (ballmer) throwing chairs and waving a copy of Vista at me and knew i had to stick it out | 00:13 |
| lcuk_2 | has anyone tried visual studio 2008 yet, does it feel more like original visual studio yet? | 00:14 |
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| jott | what's original? the ones before .net? ;) | 00:16 |
| lcuk_2 | yer | 00:16 |
| lcuk_2 | the fast ones | 00:16 |
| jott | use vi instead, it's pretty fast ;) | 00:17 |
| pupnik | omfg .. lmao. The cars playing at Live AID had a DEC VT-100 terminal on stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCXkAN28urU&NR=1 | 00:18 |
| lcuk_2 | fast mouse scrolling? selecting? the key only interface doesnt fit well - i prefer to put hands in certain places to do certain jobs, not have an all in one steering wheel | 00:18 |
| jott | lcuk_2: use vim then ;> | 00:20 |
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| Redline` | heh. I have all of Live Aid recorded on VHS in storage somewhere. | 00:23 |
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| pupnik | http://home.earthlink.net/~yaking/html/wsnHIST.html ahh Redline` it was a Synclavier - about a $150,000 - $400,000 sampler | 00:32 |
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| lardman | why is maemo.org sooooo sloooooooow? | 00:34 |
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| inz | lardman, because it is hosted on a 770 behind a 2400 modem? | 00:35 |
| lardman | 2400 is too generous | 00:35 |
| lardman | but that's probably about right :) | 00:35 |
| synth_leif | LCARS for ITOS2008 was released yesterday | 00:35 |
| synth_leif | http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD | 00:35 |
| synth_leif | and yes, this version is properly uninstallable :) | 00:36 |
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| lcuk_2 | in sdl if i want to load an image file using IMG_Load(...) and the file is stored in the same path as the executable should i be able to just call it with img = IMG_Load("pic.PNG"); | 00:37 |
| lcuk_2 | or d i need a full path descriptor IMG_Load( "./pic.PNG") | 00:38 |
| lcuk_2 | if its the first, does sdl have a problem with PNG files in general on maemo? | 00:39 |
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| lardman | when the scratchbox installer script downloads the packages, where are they downloaded to? | 00:40 |
| lardman | I already have them and need to fool it, otherwise I'll be here all year | 00:40 |
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| lardman | hmm /tmp | 00:41 |
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| j0tt | lcuk_2: both are bad solutions imho.. and png should work fine. maybe you should look for IMG_GetError() if image is null.. | 00:44 |
| j0tt | (if the result of IMG_Load() is null) | 00:44 |
| lcuk_2 | i did: "Couldn't open m_pointer.png" | 00:44 |
| lcuk_2 | its very helpful.. | 00:44 |
| lcuk_2 | i was seeing if it was the path that i entered or the actual image loader | 00:45 |
| lcuk_2 | it works when i run it in chinook_x86 | 00:45 |
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| j0tt | remember that *nix filesystems are usually case sensitive :) | 00:45 |
| lcuk_2 | but when i convert to chinook_armel it crashes with that error | 00:45 |
| j0tt | hmm | 00:45 |
| lcuk_2 | running on the device | 00:45 |
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| lcuk_2 | ahhhhhhhhhhhhh | 00:47 |
| lcuk_2 | .... | 00:47 |
| lcuk_2 | i know the difference... | 00:47 |
| Mousey | what? | 00:47 |
| Mousey | no video in maemo's skype? | 00:47 |
| lcuk_2 | nope, on scratchbox console i was in the folder | 00:47 |
| lcuk_2 | its a startin folder thats different | 00:48 |
| lcuk_2 | the files don't exist at console i ran with a path | 00:48 |
| jott | yeah well as i said, using a relative path is not a good idea | 00:48 |
| * lcuk_2 changes his startin folder and magic happens | 00:48 | |
| jott | atleast not relative to the PWD | 00:49 |
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| lcuk_2 | its ok, now i have slapped my forehead i wont make that mistake again | 00:49 |
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| jott | lcuk_2: also look at those, if you have not yet: http://lazyfoo.net/SDL_tutorials/ | 00:50 |
| lcuk_2 | now i know whats needed to compile things and have a base system i can look at lots of stuff | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha . . . LCARS is too much. | 00:51 |
| lcuk_2 | i have ran into lots of issues recently getting something up and running and just cured all of them by re-wiping my vmware box and starting again | 00:51 |
| lcuk_2 | does it work GeneralAntilles | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 00:53 |
| lcuk_2 | thanks jott i will give those a good work through | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's absolutely incredible. | 00:53 |
| lcuk_2 | excellent i think ill try it | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like being teleported to the future. :P | 00:53 |
| * jott also installes it ;) | 00:53 | |
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| lcuk_2 | http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't possibly be seen in public with this, but it's definitely going on the stay-at-home tablets. | 00:54 |
| lcuk_2 | lol | 00:54 |
| lcuk_2 | the guy at work will look all shakey if i show him this - there is no way i am leaving him alone with it tho | 00:54 |
| jott | hehe just glue on some rubber ears and no one will ask dumb questions :P | 00:54 |
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| lcuk_2 | lol - i cant i became a jedi last week and its all just wrong | 00:55 |
| lcuk_2 | i cant hold a light sabre and a LCARS pad | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | The sounds are too much. | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got a new job for rm_you. . . . | 00:56 |
| lcuk_2 | i might turn my device into HAL | 00:56 |
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| Tama^3 | GeneralAntilles: I can't possibly be seen in public with this, but it's definitely going on the stay-at-home tablets. <---- Girlfriend says: "It's either me or the tablet!" | 00:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 00:58 |
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| Mousey | lcars works on n810 yet? | 00:59 |
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| shackan | GeneralAntilles: terrific | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Mousey. | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just announced | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | scroll up. | 00:59 |
| Mousey | yippie! ^_^ | 00:59 |
| pupnik | hey thanks for the sdl link jott | 01:00 |
| Mousey | ty! | 01:01 |
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| shackan | an appropriate icon theme is in order :( | 01:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Restart, shackan. | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, unless you're talking about everything but the toolbars. | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which you probably are. | 01:03 |
| shackan | i am | 01:03 |
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| jott | hehe nice the LCARS on top changing to 802.11 :) | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the rest of the toolbar icons. | 01:05 |
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| jott | yeah only LoadApplet does not fit ;) | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | and advanced backlight. :( | 01:08 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to switch back to default theme after installing LCARS theme? | 01:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | |tbb|, it's all covered on the website. | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, switch to a normal theme | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | uninstall lcars-complete | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | reboot. | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | DO NOT UNINSTALL AN ACTIVE THEME! | 01:09 |
| lcuk_2 | lol | 01:10 |
| lcuk_2 | are themes included in the backup? | 01:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are applications? | 01:11 |
| lcuk_2 | the theme info | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, that, yes. | 01:11 |
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| lcuk_2 | cool | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you do uninstall the active theme. | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just turn off the watchdogs | 01:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | make sure it's set to autoconnect. ;) | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ssh in and reinstall it | 01:12 |
| lcuk_2 | no, i wont anyway | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd guess that should fix things. | 01:12 |
| lcuk_2 | i just like to make sure ive got everything backed up | 01:12 |
| lcuk_2 | i will be making an auto sync soon enough for my code etc | 01:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Boot from sd and just run a backup script every week on so. | 01:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Er, setup a partition on the SD, anyway. | 01:13 |
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| lcuk_2 | not for now, im just about getting used to this as it stands | 01:13 |
| jott | now we need some decent lcars applications ;) | 01:14 |
| lcuk_2 | i can reformat the mmc2 device cant i to a format which understands execute permissions cant i? | 01:14 |
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| lcuk_2 | -cant i | 01:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sure, lcuk_2. | 01:16 |
| jott | http://www.lcarscom.net/images/nakadapanel.jpg something like that for home automation control ;) | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I would at least install fanoush's initfs so you can recover with USBnet if anything goes wrong. | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 01:17 |
| jott | http://www.lcarscom.net/images/Okud_still_perriker.gif and this as wikipedia frontend ;) | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | jott, that would be way too far over the top. | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha | 01:18 |
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| jott | GeneralAntilles: hehe go to http://lcarscom.net/databank.htm with a fullscreen browser on the IT (and disabled url bar)...fits nice ;) | 01:23 |
| maddler | GeneralAntilles: wanna laugh? I wasn't able to change *that* domain nameservers! :) | 01:23 |
| jott | the scrollbar merges with the rest ;) | 01:23 |
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| jott | this site is hilarious on the tablet ;) | 01:25 |
| elb | I keep poking at URLs on my laptop screen with my finger | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | elb, it's terrible, isn't it? | 01:27 |
| elb | it is | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes me want to petition Apple for touchscreen laptops. | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The worst part is that I don't use laptops except when I'm at home with my family. | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I end up going right into "tablet-mode". | 01:28 |
| lcuk_2 | eee should be least expensive "fullsize" tablet if they make it | 01:28 |
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| lardman | I'm not impressed with the debian scratchbox installation instructions | 01:29 |
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| lcuk_2 | is it much more complicated to keep it inside a vmware frame? | 01:36 |
| lcuk_2 | cos if not, why not use the prebuilt environment? | 01:36 |
| lardman | I've never used vmware | 01:41 |
| lardman | It's a hell of a lot easier to install from tarballs than from .debs; I'm stuck now with it installed but no groups created nor users | 01:42 |
| lardman | poor instructions in the install.txt file | 01:42 |
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| lardman | time to logout to join sbox | 01:48 |
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| kSiR | Any one around that can help with with a simple issue? | 01:50 |
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| Mousey | wow | 01:51 |
| kSiR | Taking that as a no | 01:51 |
| Mousey | anyone know how to fix the LCARS theme words on the side? | 01:51 |
| Mousey | ...that wasn't even english | 01:52 |
| * Mousey tries again | 01:52 | |
| kSiR | I am looking for the "Lock code" for the 2007 "hacked" OS | 01:52 |
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| kSiR | I cant set it, so I cant lock my device. | 01:52 |
| Mousey | the words "menu" and "lcars" overlap each other in the theme | 01:52 |
| Mousey | kSiR: out of the box i think it was 12345 | 01:52 |
| pupnik | http://www.svatopluk.com/daggerfall/download/interkarma.stm very cool daggerfall utilities | 01:53 |
| kSiR | I tried that, and it will not set it | 01:53 |
| kSiR | I have root access is there any files that can be adjusted to fix this? | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | You restart, Mousey? | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Works fine here. | 01:54 |
| Mousey | yes | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | kSiR, it doesn't change with a flash | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | so it's whatever you (or somebody else) set it to. | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, there's a way to check from the booted system | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | don't recall it off-hand, though. | 01:54 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: think it might have to do with my rearranging the buttons? [web under contacts, menu on top" | 01:54 |
| Mousey | ? | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine's default. | 01:55 |
| * elb cuts the useless contacts menu with a knife | 01:55 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Try changing to default? | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I use it, elb. :P | 01:55 |
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| elb | whatever for? | 01:56 |
| kSiR | hurm... yes I bought this from some one else, and I just called them and they havent a clue... | 01:56 |
| elb | I guess if you had a lot of time to kill, the contacts application uses a lot to ... do anything | 01:56 |
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| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: ah, well there's some mumblings under known issues on dude's site | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | elb, SIP, e-mail, . . . contacts. :P | 01:58 |
| Mousey | i wish contacts and mail were mappable to other programs.. | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | kSIR, there's a thread on ITT covering the solution. | 01:58 |
| elb | I was unimpressed with the built-in emails as well | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I believe, anyway. | 01:59 |
| Mousey | ..or rather. i wish i was smart enough to make it do it | 01:59 |
| elb | I keep meaning to look at claws and modest | 01:59 |
| Mousey | modest seriously needs mail filters before i can completely abandon clawsmail | 01:59 |
| elb | sylpheed was decent enough, way back in the day | 01:59 |
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| Mousey | i wish there was a 16 pt version =( | 02:02 |
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| * Mousey wonders if he just asks too much | 02:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | bugs.maemo.org :P | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | enhancement requests for great justice! | 02:02 |
| * elb shudders at the idea of being tied to a GUI mail client for filtering | 02:02 | |
| Mousey | install mutt | 02:03 |
| Mousey | or something | 02:03 |
| elb | I use mutt as my primary client, but I don't do (inbound) filtering in mutt | 02:03 |
| elb | that's all handled before the mail hits my mailbox | 02:03 |
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| Mousey | i should install scratchbox | 02:04 |
| Mousey | that's the impression owning this thing gives me | 02:04 |
| elb | in fact, I'd be more excited about using a mail client on my tablet if my busted-ass imap server didn't disconnect mutt any time the tablet checked mail | 02:04 |
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| pupnik | http://bethblog.com/?p=93#comments request a licensed port of The Elder Scrolls: Arena to the Nokia Internet Tablets here | 02:09 |
| Mousey | yea. rearranging menu buttons fixes text | 02:09 |
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| lttlflla | hi | 02:26 |
| lttlflla | can i ask qns here? | 02:27 |
| jott | you just did :) | 02:28 |
| jott | (go ahead) | 02:28 |
| lttlflla | thanks | 02:29 |
| lttlflla | for the nat traversal tutorial, which version of libjingle is it using? | 02:29 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: wha? i'll be back in 3-4 hours | 02:34 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:34 |
| rm_you | bbl | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need an icon for LCARS. | 02:35 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:35 |
| rm_you | explain later | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | ta | 02:35 |
| * Mousey huggles LCARS | 02:43 | |
| Mousey | all my coworkers are duely impressed | 02:43 |
| jott | hehe Mousey have you also gone to lcarscom.net with the tablet? ;) | 02:44 |
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| lcuk_2 | forget the icon, we need a bloody star ship | 02:44 |
| lcuk_2 | cd starship; make; fly; | 02:44 |
| jott | (important is to go fullscreen without the url-bar ;-) | 02:44 |
| jott | (view -> show toolbar -> fullscreen off) | 02:45 |
| Mousey | make starship ; install Mousey | 02:45 |
| Mousey | make starship ; make installMousey | 02:46 |
| Mousey | ^^ | 02:46 |
| * GeneralAntilles shoots lcuk_2 lasers. | 02:46 | |
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| jott | and it's "engage" not "fly" ;> | 02:47 |
| lcuk_2 | turning out happier now ant | 02:47 |
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| lcuk_2 | ive got fullscreen scrolling | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 02:47 |
| lcuk_2 | its a bit juddery but its a start :) | 02:48 |
| * lcuk_2 is gonna optimise book reading :) | 02:48 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to put together a patch for FBReader for animated scrolling. | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or maybe we can make mplayer output sideways text. :D | 02:50 |
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| Paulius | Hey everyone. | 02:50 |
| Paulius | Where could I get a 770 in Canada, for cheap? | 02:50 |
| Paulius | I know TigerDirect had it for $150. Anywhere else? | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check the deals forum on ITT | 02:51 |
| Paulius | itt? | 02:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | internettablettalk.com | 02:53 |
| Paulius | thx | 02:53 |
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| flatface | Why do people still want the 770 when the 800 isn't that much more expensive? :p | 03:04 |
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| Paulius | Because it's less expensive. | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously. | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can get a 770 on ebay for $50 | 03:05 |
| Paulius | really? | 03:06 |
| flatface | That much? :o | 03:06 |
| Paulius | how about from a real store? | 03:06 |
| Paulius | I need to order it for a client of my tech support. | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | $250 or so | 03:06 |
| Paulius | The guy just loved the thing. | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | The $140 days are long gone. | 03:06 |
| flatface | Thought the n800 was only $50-80 more | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | $200 for an N800. | 03:07 |
| flatface | looking at the deals forum, $190 in the US, 227 in Canada (free shipping) | 03:08 |
| Paulius | I know the guy that I'm dealing with. | 03:08 |
| Paulius | He won't go for it if it's higher than 200 | 03:08 |
| flatface | Okay, then. | 03:09 |
| ds3 | 770 is nicer in some ways | 03:09 |
| ds3 | all the connectors are on the bottom without a bracket to get in the way | 03:09 |
| ds3 | hard cover | 03:09 |
| ds3 | a grove all around for mount | 03:09 |
| Paulius | The 800 doesn't have that? | 03:10 |
| ds3 | no, the 800 doesn't use a hard cover; the grove is for the hard cover | 03:10 |
| Paulius | The hard cover and the bottom connectors are the best thing about the 770 | 03:10 |
| Paulius | Oh wow, that sucks | 03:10 |
| ds3 | for the intended use, the 800 is nicer - dual full size MMC/SD slots + faster CPU + ability to be propped up on a table w/cables connected | 03:11 |
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| * flatface nods at that | 03:12 | |
| Mousey | is there ANYWAY to get the file manager to show you the freakin ACTUAL file system?? instead of what IT DECIDES it THINKS you should see? | 03:12 |
| Mousey | yor papers please | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N8x0 are soo much faster than the 770. | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | cd/ls, Mousey. :P | 03:13 |
| Paulius | GeneralAntilles: The 770 is more than fast enough | 03:13 |
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| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: thank you. very helpful =P | 03:13 |
| * Mousey tries gpe-filemangler | 03:13 | |
| ds3 | wonder if anyone makes a ruggedized N800 or offers services/parts to do that | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Paulius, maybe, but not after you use the N800. ;) | 03:14 |
| Paulius | tempting... | 03:14 |
| Paulius | but no hard cover is a deal breaker | 03:14 |
| ds3 | i do wish someone would say if the OTG hardware is present in the 770 or not. the 1710 in the 770 can do otg but donno if it is wired for it | 03:15 |
| Paulius | otg? | 03:15 |
| ds3 | USB On The Go, supplement to USB 2.0 | 03:15 |
| Paulius | I really like the n810 design. I think I'll wait for that to lower in price. | 03:15 |
| jott | if the fragility of the IT devices increases with every generation, i wonder what the successor of the n810 would stand :> | 03:15 |
| Paulius | ds3: I've seen mods of people connecting usb keyboards to the 770. | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, it can do host with injection. | 03:15 |
| Paulius | Yeah, you just need power. | 03:16 |
| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: I know it has a host mode and I have seen many people talk about it, even tried it | 03:16 |
| dragorn | the 770 is not OTG, it's got real host mode | 03:16 |
| Mousey | really? that's hot | 03:16 |
| dragorn | afaik | 03:16 |
| ds3 | dragorn: thank you. | 03:16 |
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| Mousey | why can't the n8x0 have freakin' hostmode | 03:16 |
| ds3 | dragorn: btw, did you get a chance to try out the SiS VGA thing on the 800? | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | They have OTG. | 03:16 |
| dragorn | because it has OTG which has dynamic host mode | 03:17 |
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| Paulius | Mousey: Because 770 > * | 03:17 |
| Paulius | :-P | 03:17 |
| heywire | Paulius: The 810 is nice, but it doesn't feel durable. I've had mine for a couple weeks and the aluminum is already scratched up :( | 03:17 |
| Mousey | limited dynamic host mode | 03:17 |
| Mousey | that needs an extra special cable extraordinaire | 03:17 |
| Mousey | only 3 vendors sell | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or a script. | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | OTG is still very new. | 03:17 |
| Mousey | and only one of them speaks english | 03:17 |
| dragorn | Mousey: 800 yes, 810, no, I got it for $9 off amazon | 03:17 |
| Paulius | heywire: My aluminium cover on my 770 is also scratched. But I abuse the hell out of it. | 03:17 |
| Mousey | i got some af-af adaptors | 03:17 |
| Mousey | didn't OTG for me ;_; | 03:17 |
| dragorn | ds3: No, not w/ a power injector. | 03:17 |
| * Mousey is a big whiner | 03:17 | |
| dragorn | Mousey: hold. | 03:17 |
| ds3 | dragorn: power hub should be able to do it | 03:18 |
| dragorn | Mousey: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UNKGHY | 03:19 |
| Mousey | dragorn: ty | 03:20 |
| dragorn | and a coupler/f-f adapter is all you need. I ordered like 5, so I could cut it to a more useful length or add my own ends to it | 03:20 |
| dragorn | ds3: yeah, no time | 03:20 |
| Mousey | i have f-f adaptors | 03:20 |
| dragorn | ds3: I did try it on one of my APs | 03:20 |
| dragorn | ds3: and it was NOT a pretty scene :P | 03:20 |
| dragorn | ds3: (it worked, but was veeeeeery slow.) | 03:20 |
| Mousey | are the usb modules installed by default? [are they compiled in instead?] why is there no dmesg? | 03:20 |
| dragorn | Mousey: they're compiled in. There are dmesg entries. | 03:20 |
| Mousey | so watch "dmesg tail" is as good as i can do, eh | 03:21 |
| ds3 | dragorn: so the K.O. source for it compiles in ARM, I take it? | 03:21 |
| dragorn | ds3: I was using it on a mipsel, but yeah | 03:21 |
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| Mousey | also, how is this cable on amazon different than the one it came with? is there a difference? cuz i have the af-af adaptors already [which i said like 3 times, cuz i'm a whiner.. which i've said twice now] | 03:22 |
| ds3 | Mousey: just get one of those "universal" cable kits, they usually have the parts to build one you need | 03:22 |
| Mousey | ds3, funny thing is "universal" cable kits DON'T HAVE af-af adaptors | 03:22 |
| dragorn | ds3: re: powered hub - otg isn't supposed to support hubs, dunno. | 03:22 |
| dragorn | Mousey: different pins | 03:22 |
| dragorn | Mousey: otg is a 5-pin connector. If pin 5 is floating, it's one type, if it's grounded, it's a different type | 03:22 |
| Mousey | so the amazonian cable and the one it came with -are- different.. ok | 03:22 |
| ds3 | dragorn: so your thing is like the ASUS WL500? =) | 03:22 |
| dragorn | Mousey: type A cables put the device in host mode. Type B is client mode. | 03:22 |
| dragorn | I forget which is grounded and which is floating | 03:23 |
| dragorn | ds3: nope | 03:23 |
| ds3 | Mousey: hmmm...the kits I got had enough to do it... I was able to get a USB thumbdrive to work | 03:23 |
| dragorn | ds3: but close enough | 03:23 |
| ds3 | dragorn: had to ask... you dropped enough details to suggest that =) | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think grounded is host. | 03:24 |
| Mousey | ok, so what you're saying is: the amazonian cable is different than the cable the n810 came with, and/or the af-af adaptors are different. or my af-af adaptors are crap | 03:24 |
| dragorn | no and/or | 03:24 |
| dragorn | the cable I linked you is an OTG type A micro-USB cable | 03:24 |
| Mousey | so the adaptors are fine, it's the cables that differ | 03:24 |
| dragorn | which puts the device into master mode because the OTG pin is set appropriately. | 03:24 |
| dragorn | The cable shipped with the device is an OTG type B micro-USB, which puts the device in client mode. | 03:25 |
| Mousey | and the one the n810 comes with isn't. it's just an micro-usb to usb-a normal cable, huh? | 03:25 |
| Mousey | GOT it | 03:25 |
| Mousey | ok | 03:25 |
| Mousey | sorry, i'm dumb... | 03:25 |
| Mousey | ...but trainable! ^_^ | 03:25 |
| ds3 | I'd think it should easy enough to put together a digikey BOM to build a cable | 03:25 |
| * Mousey buys 50 | 03:25 | |
| dragorn | ds3: the cable I linked is $7. They're not that hard to find. | 03:26 |
| dragorn | The key knowledge was more "micro" not "mini" usb | 03:26 |
| Mousey | micro b, vs micro a | 03:26 |
| ds3 | dragorn: I was thinking for the N800 not the 810 | 03:26 |
| dragorn | ds3: oh | 03:26 |
| Mousey | and they the micro A will fit in the n810 socket? | 03:26 |
| dragorn | ds3: the 800 is special | 03:26 |
| dragorn | ds3: and arguably "broken" | 03:26 |
| Mousey | THE N810 IS BISEXUAL?!?! | 03:27 |
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| ds3 | I have adapters to do it but it looks life threatening to the life of the connector on the PCB (3 inches of solid metal vs a tiny mini connector with solder joints) | 03:27 |
| dragorn | ds3: I just toggle it in SW on the 800 | 03:27 |
| ds3 | need a nice, strain relieved connector | 03:27 |
| ds3 | dragorn: *nod* I do the same | 03:27 |
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| lcuk_2 | i gave about 3 seconds consideration to opening up my 810 and soldering the pins on the socket itself | 03:37 |
| Paulius | lol | 03:37 |
| jott | speaking of..are there any nice pcb scans of the 810 yet? | 03:37 |
| lcuk_2 | eventually i realised a software toggle was enough ;) | 03:37 |
| lcuk_2 | none that i h ave seen | 03:38 |
| lcuk_2 | we need captain kirk | 03:38 |
| lcuk_2 | someone who will boldly go | 03:38 |
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| ywwg | Are there any gstreamer experts in? I'm getting a crash sometimes when I have force-aspect-ratio set on an xvimagesink | 03:53 |
| lcuk_2 | hmmmmmm | 03:53 |
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| ywwg | I could turn off force-aspect, but I don't want to because then my video is all squished :/ | 03:53 |
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| pupnik | ywwg: there was a post on maemo-developers about needing to ignore some X errors when using xv | 03:56 |
| ywwg | pupnik: I can't ignore a crash tho, my program quits | 03:56 |
| ywwg | pupnik: do you remember what the subject line was? I'm having trouble finding the post | 03:59 |
| pupnik | i believe it might have been part of the mplayer threads around may-july 2007 | 03:59 |
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| ywwg | pupnik: oh I found it, thanks | 04:05 |
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| ywwg | looks like a different error tho | 04:06 |
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| Navi | I installed the maemo sdk using the installer script | 04:29 |
| Navi | Anyone know where it installs to? | 04:30 |
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| ywwg | Navi: /scratchbox | 04:34 |
| ywwg | Navi: root of your filesystem | 04:34 |
| Navi | Yeah, I found it. | 04:35 |
| Navi | A bit too messy for my tastes... thanks ywwg | 04:35 |
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| lcuk | aaaargh | 04:50 |
| lcuk | my 810 has turned evil | 04:50 |
| Proteous | EVIL BEGONE!!! | 04:50 |
| Proteous | did you try yelling that at it? | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get some holy water. | 04:51 |
| Proteous | THE POWER OF NOKIA COMPELLS YOU | 04:51 |
| lcuk | the lcars theme has hijacked battery chargin animation | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Evidently | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try uninstalling the lcars-extras | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | then reboot | 04:51 |
| lcuk | i have reverted to orig theme everything is back but there is a cylon on scrreen. | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh noes! | 04:52 |
| lcuk | if i uningstall wont that delete file and not restore valid | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia's secret plot unveiled! | 04:52 |
| dragorn | they walk among us | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, lcuk. | 04:53 |
| lcuk | it doesnt take a backup of files | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just uninstalled lcars-extras and rebooted | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | works fine. | 04:54 |
| lcuk | but did you have the cylon | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's dead now. | 04:54 |
| lcuk | i cant believe i just askdd that with a straight face | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I stabbed his eyes off with my stylus. | 04:55 |
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| lcuk | i tried that, he said he was charging, so i cowered behind ba cover | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta stab hard. | 04:56 |
| lcuk | right backup coming off system or is it safe on mmc2 if i need reflash | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gibberish much? | 05:00 |
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| lcuk | lol | 05:01 |
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| Paulius | Craigslist pwns. | 05:04 |
| Paulius | I found a 770 for $120. | 05:04 |
| Paulius | Will see if it's still available and if it's not too used up. | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think you can get them cheaper on ebay. | 05:07 |
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| Paulius | OMG | 05:12 |
| Paulius | The guy is like 2 blocks from here. | 05:12 |
| Navi | Paulius, luls | 05:13 |
| Navi | Rob him | 05:13 |
| Paulius | hahah | 05:13 |
| Paulius | no | 05:13 |
| Paulius | craigslists mailservers probably think I'm a spammer. | 05:13 |
| Paulius | I'm a hardcore shopper. Done like 6 contacts in the last few minutes. | 05:13 |
| Paulius | Just got a lot of shit to buy. | 05:13 |
| Navi | O_o | 05:13 |
| Navi | you can get a new 770 for 120 | 05:14 |
| Paulius | Where... | 05:14 |
| Paulius | I've tried finding. | 05:14 |
| Navi | ebay :P | 05:14 |
| Paulius | screw that | 05:14 |
| Paulius | I asked why he's selling it | 05:14 |
| Paulius | The guy's like "I've never used it" | 05:14 |
| Navi | Heh | 05:15 |
| Paulius | I'm like... wow, this guy... wow... | 05:15 |
| Navi | When the Nokia factory near here was shutting down, they sold 770s for 20 bucks | 05:15 |
| Paulius | oh geez | 05:15 |
| Navi | They ran out, sadly | 05:16 |
| Navi | I did get my e70 for 20. | 05:16 |
| Paulius | that's still amazing. | 05:16 |
| Paulius | I got my 770 new on TigerDirect for $150. | 05:16 |
| Navi | and an N80 for 50 | 05:16 |
| Paulius | And I thought it was a steal. | 05:16 |
| Paulius | The Palm crappy ones are like 2x more expensive. | 05:16 |
| Proteous | $125 from woot.com for my 770 | 05:17 |
| Paulius | We don't have woot in Canada :-( | 05:17 |
| * Navi doesn't have one of those newfangled ITs. | 05:18 | |
| Paulius | what? | 05:18 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:18 |
| Navi | Sad. | 05:19 |
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| elb | woot won't ship to canada? | 05:21 |
| Paulius | Even if they did, border would kill it. | 05:21 |
| Paulius | Border fees are rape. | 05:21 |
| elb | oh, that's right, the horrid taxes | 05:21 |
| Paulius | $80 processing fee. | 05:22 |
| alystair | they aren't if you say it's a postcard! :v | 05:22 |
| Paulius | Plus taxes | 05:22 |
| Paulius | plus border fees | 05:22 |
| alystair | religious materials | 05:22 |
| Paulius | alystair: I know, but big companies aren't willing to do this. | 05:22 |
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| K-Fox | is there a person who downgrade os2008 to os2007? | 05:26 |
| K-Fox | evince of os 2008 seems to have a many memory | 05:28 |
| johnx | K-Fox, lots of people have. You just reflash with OS2007 | 05:28 |
| Navi | Pretty thick postcard. | 05:29 |
| johnx | it would make a great postcard if only it was cheaper and you could count on it getting there intact... | 05:30 |
| Paulius | Navi: lol | 05:30 |
| Paulius | The loophole is specifying stuff as gift | 05:30 |
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| kSiR | Hey, I am still having issues with the Lock code on my 770 I have contacted the previous owner and his has no clue what the password is, I have root access any one have any idea how to clear it? | 05:40 |
| johnx | kSiR, that's actually an interesting question...if it holds up between flashes it has to be stored in one of the other flash partitions besides the kernel, initfs or / | 05:41 |
| kSiR | Hurm.... I have thought about this, and I am not persay AGAINST a FULL flash, but I have yet to find some one with instructions on how to do this, | 05:43 |
| kSiR | as I have a young one, I am afraid they are going to "LOCK" the device and then I am forced to reflash like I had to do today :( | 05:43 |
| kSiR | I am guessing the only people that can really answer my question would be Nokia? | 05:45 |
| johnx | here's what I seem to remember, not saying it's true: You should be able to do a "cold flash" (ie, everything including the bootloader), but it's done through solder points on the board, not through the USB jack | 05:45 |
| kSiR | johnx, hurm I will have to look around, Ill have to port over tripwire to see if they modifiy any files that I can read as root | 05:47 |
| kSiR | or atleast modifiy | 05:47 |
| johnx | my other idea was for someone else who has a 770 to make a copy of the flash partitions that aren't changed by a reflash and then change the lock code, make another copy and diff the results | 05:49 |
| johnx | in the best case, maybe the lock code is just stored as plain text and you can just read it out of the flash...in a worst case scenario it might involve hacking around in the flash with hex editor (not recommended!) | 05:50 |
| johnx | maybe it would be easier to find a way to disable lock mode in the first place | 05:51 |
| kSiR | How do you go about that? I have disabled AUTO LOCK | 05:51 |
| kSiR | but I did not see an option for the total stop of lock mode | 05:51 |
| johnx | I don't think there is an option in the GUI, but there might be something in /etc/mce/mce.ini or a similar file | 05:51 |
| kSiR | Okay, another question.... how do you restart the network on this device? I have run kesmit and now the nic is in perm mode, | 05:53 |
| kSiR | in RHEL (what I admin by day) it would just be service network restart | 05:53 |
| johnx | maybe unload and reload the modules? | 05:53 |
| kSiR | but I didnt see anything in the /etc/init.d/ file | 05:53 |
| johnx | I think wireless is something like cx3110x and umac | 05:54 |
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| kSiR | ahh, | 05:57 |
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| Tama^3 | see ya johnx | 06:02 |
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| K-Fox | http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php | 06:31 |
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| K-Fox | when it press Click to install , do it install application with package? | 06:34 |
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| K-Fox | with a needed package? | 06:35 |
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| trevarthan | hey, I'm writing a statusbar plugin. Everything looks good to me, but it's not showing up. Is there a log somewhere? Or do I need to start doing print debugs? | 07:26 |
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| rkabir | is everyone on here developing for maemo? | 08:00 |
| K-Fox | n800 is super device | 08:05 |
| K-Fox | wow | 08:05 |
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| LinuxCode | rkabir, not me | 08:27 |
| LinuxCode | no time | 08:27 |
| LinuxCode | K-Fox, indeed | 08:27 |
| LinuxCode | N180 is better | 08:27 |
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| Tama^3 | no N800 is better | 08:32 |
| * Tama^3 blows on the charcoal hoping to kickstart a flamewar | 08:33 | |
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| rkabir | so personally, i like the n800 browser's key handling | 08:34 |
| rkabir | i like pressing up / down to page up and down | 08:34 |
| rkabir | instead of navigating by links | 08:34 |
| rkabir | also, having d-pad on the face next to the screen is pretty awesome | 08:34 |
| rkabir | wait | 08:34 |
| rkabir | i have it all wrong | 08:34 |
| rkabir | to support a flame war i need to support the n810! | 08:34 |
| rkabir | lol | 08:34 |
| Tama^3 | damn | 08:34 |
| Tama^3 | it's impossible to start a flamewar with such incompetent n00bs! | 08:35 |
| Tama^3 | I have to send you to troll school | 08:35 |
| rkabir | hahaha | 08:35 |
| K-Fox | n810 is better than n800? | 08:39 |
| LinuxCode | its smaller, has a metal case | 08:39 |
| K-Fox | i know | 08:40 |
| LinuxCode | keyboard | 08:40 |
| K-Fox | it's expensive | 08:40 |
| LinuxCode | imho yes | 08:40 |
| Tama^3 | since when smaller is better? | 08:40 |
| Tama^3 | BIG is better | 08:40 |
| Tama^3 | xD | 08:40 |
| Navi | Big rips my pockets | 08:40 |
| LinuxCode | Tama^3, is that what your g/f tells you ? | 08:40 |
| LinuxCode | because most girls will tell you..its what you do with it | 08:40 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 08:40 |
| Tama^3 | gf? I live in my mum's basement ;_; | 08:40 |
| LinuxCode | ohh ok | 08:41 |
| LinuxCode | the bigger is better is a myth then | 08:41 |
| Tama^3 | and I smell | 08:41 |
| rkabir | wild and in the jungle | 08:41 |
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| rkabir | i haven't gotten the n810 to lock on GPS yet | 08:41 |
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| LinuxCode | rkabir, applied the patch ? | 08:41 |
| Tama^3 | rkabir: in like 5 days? | 08:41 |
| LinuxCode | otherwise it takes a while | 08:41 |
| rkabir | what patch? | 08:42 |
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| LinuxCode | http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/ | 08:42 |
| Tama^3 | you have to apply a band-aid to the GPS antenna | 08:42 |
| rkabir | is this [un]official ? | 08:42 |
| Tama^3 | drawing a silly stick-man on the band-aid helps too | 08:42 |
| LinuxCode | rkabir, yes | 08:42 |
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| K-Fox | n800 is more doubled cheap than n810 | 08:42 |
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| LinuxCode | K-Fox, the N800 is much larger | 08:43 |
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| Tama^3 | this channel is too serious and the people too helpful, I think I will resign | 08:43 |
| Tama^3 | xD | 08:43 |
| LinuxCode | I can slip the N810 in my back pocket | 08:43 |
| LinuxCode | Tama^3, haha | 08:43 |
| * LinuxCode beats Tama^3 with a stick | 08:43 | |
| Tama^3 | s/stick/stick-man | 08:44 |
| rkabir | LinuxCode, http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/solution-to-n810-gps-problems/ shows that the patch messes up the firmware? | 08:49 |
| EruditeHermit | hey, is there a way to turn off word suggestion when there is a bluetooth keyboard attached on OS2008 | 08:49 |
| Tama^3 | EruditeHermit: sometimes it pops up and I am unable to disable it, other times it never comes up... | 08:52 |
| Tama^3 | I have no idea, I meant to ask the same question | 08:52 |
| LinuxCode | rkabir, i havent got a problem | 08:52 |
| rkabir | ok, cool | 08:52 |
| rkabir | i'll check it out | 08:52 |
| rkabir | thx for the heads up | 08:52 |
| LinuxCode | you will have to switch into blue pill mode | 08:53 |
| EruditeHermit | LinuxCode: is that at me? | 08:54 |
| LinuxCode | no | 08:54 |
| LinuxCode | rkabir, | 08:54 |
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| rkabir | abiword doesn't run on os2008 yet, does it? | 09:09 |
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| EruditeHermit | rkabir: it does, but it isn't released yet | 09:11 |
| EruditeHermit | rkabir: it will be released to the public soon though | 09:11 |
| rkabir | EruditeHermit: awesome! thanks for the heads up | 09:12 |
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| EruditeHermit | rkabir: its very buggy right now | 09:13 |
| rkabir | EruditeHermit: let me know if I can help test | 09:14 |
| EruditeHermit | rkabir: look on internettablettalk for the abiword thread | 09:16 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 10:19 |
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| jku | rkabir: it doesn't "mess up up the firmware" | 10:30 |
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| jku | it just isn't possible to install a package that has a different version than a system package, without conflicting with osso-software-version | 10:31 |
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| jku | I'd do the exact same thing again, except I'd tell people that the package (or OS2008) has this feature | 10:33 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
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| axelm7 | hello | 11:48 |
| leif__ | hi | 11:49 |
| axelm7 | I am looking for a PDA device or Internet tablet with a QWERTY keyboard and Java capabilities. | 11:49 |
| axelm7 | and I came across the Nokia N810, but I also need GPRS. | 11:49 |
| axelm7 | is there any maemo compatible device that will give me those functions? | 11:50 |
| axelm7 | bluetooth and/or USB host are also necessary | 11:50 |
| leif__ | well if you have a bluetooth cellphone the tablets can use its GPRS... | 11:50 |
| leif__ | the java capabilities of maemo are not quite there yet afaik | 11:51 |
| axelm7 | i see your point... great idea to use an external GPRS phone | 11:51 |
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| leif__ | this might help you: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_Java_on_maemo | 11:53 |
| |tbb| | morning all | 11:53 |
| leif__ | i have never used java on the a tablet myself | 11:53 |
| leif__ | good morning tbb | 11:53 |
| axelm7 | my customer has a group of java developers writing a mobile app that requires GPRS, QWERTY and fingerprint scanner | 11:54 |
| leif__ | though it is 2am here | 11:54 |
| axelm7 | I am having a hard time finding the proper platform | 11:54 |
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| |tbb| | ive installed lcars theme on my n770 HE anyone got problems to install the additional soundpack for that theme, or know about that? | 11:55 |
| leif__ | tbb, i am one of the lcars developers | 11:56 |
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| leif__ | the bad news is that if you installed the old 2.0 theme on the version 4.2007 hacker edition, it overwrote your built-in icons :( | 11:57 |
| leif__ | there is a warning on the page about it... | 11:57 |
| leif__ | http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD/v2.0 has instructions for updating your dpkg | 11:58 |
| leif__ | if you do that, you can install the sounds | 11:58 |
| leif__ | had you updated dpkg prior to installing the theme, the icons would not be overwritten | 11:58 |
| leif__ | sorry about that :( | 11:58 |
| leif__ | btw, for N8x0 users we released a new ITOS2008-compatible version of LCARS | 12:01 |
| leif__ | supposedly there will be an ITOS2008 hacker edition also, but who knows when | 12:01 |
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| leif__ | the new theme is at http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD | 12:03 |
| leif__ | (as i already mentioned a while ago) | 12:03 |
| |tbb| | leif_ thanks, for the point. dont worry about that allready had flashed the n770 to HE | 12:08 |
| |tbb| | now reflash ;) | 12:08 |
| |tbb| | the theme is quite nice | 12:09 |
| leif__ | thanks | 12:09 |
| leif__ | my brother actually did all the graphics, i just helped package it | 12:09 |
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| _collin_ | he | 12:20 |
| leif__ | has anyone here tried Mac OS 7 in Basilisk II yet? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=139704 | 12:27 |
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| zwnj | n | 12:45 |
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| harobed | hi, are there a good calendar application for maemo OS 2008 ? | 13:01 |
| mazzen | hi! got a telephone call right know. nokia-de noticed, that they "sold" me the n810 for free and know they will debit the 99€ | 13:02 |
| inz | harobed, "good calendar application" is so subjective, you could try gpe-calendar and dates | 13:03 |
| `0660 | i'd be furious if someone would charge me 99 € for n810 :) | 13:03 |
| harobed | last time I've used dates, it isn't usable on OS 2007 | 13:04 |
| inz | Hmm, my console font is a bit wrong, it shows a diamond instead of euro | 13:04 |
| inz | harobed, not usable as in doesn't work or not usable as in hard to use? | 13:05 |
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| harobed | same dialog box are to large | 13:06 |
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| florian | good morning | 13:07 |
| * florian just had to re-open #19 | 13:07 | |
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| Jaffa | morning, florian | 13:26 |
| Jaffa | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19 is *old* | 13:26 |
| florian | Jaffa: yesh... I wonder why it is back since ti was verified to be fixed by QA | 13:30 |
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| |tbb| | what are the biggest sd card for n810 available? | 13:34 |
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| lardman | hi chaps | 13:34 |
| X-Fade_ | |tbb|: 16GB | 13:35 |
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| |tbb| | X-Fade_: in europe? | 13:41 |
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| hrw | harobed: report a bug on dates then | 13:43 |
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| benno2 | hi, any idea what are the best settings for transcoding a video using VLC to a file that offers smooth playback and maximum quality on a n800 with mplayer on OS2008 ? | 13:55 |
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| Jaffa | benno2: similar to the "best" preset on http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html (ie. line 20 on https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tablet-encode/tablet-encode?annotate=60&root=mediautils ) | 14:00 |
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| benno2 | Jaffa: thanks but for audio what should i chose ? | 14:02 |
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| benno2 | mp3 ? | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | Yes. | 14:03 |
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| Jaffa | MPEG4 video. i.e. the usual DivX/Xvid combination | 14:03 |
| benno2 | in vlc i see: mpeg ts , mpeg ps , mpeg 1 , ogg asf , mp4 mov. | 14:06 |
| benno2 | should I chose MP4 | 14:06 |
| benno2 | then belowe I can chose video codeg amongst mp4v, div1,2,3 h263,264 | 14:07 |
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| solmumaha | benno2: what os are you using? | 14:10 |
| benno2 | os2008 thanks | 14:10 |
| benno2 | n800 | 14:10 |
| solmumaha | on desktop | 14:10 |
| solmumaha | windows, linux, os x? | 14:11 |
| solmumaha | i have been messing with vlc quite a lot and i have pretty good settings for streaming | 14:11 |
| solmumaha | but the thing is, new vlc version is just around the corner and old settings won't work with it | 14:12 |
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| solmumaha | benno2: maxwidth=400,maxheight=240,canvas-width=400,canvas-height=240,canvas-aspect-ratio="400:240",vcodec=xvid,vb=800,acodec=mp3,ab=128,channels=2,fps=24,venc=ffmpeg{trellis} | 14:18 |
| solmumaha | should work with vlc 0.8.6 | 14:18 |
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| benno2 | thanks solmumaha ! I want to transcode some movies to watch them while on the road | 14:23 |
| solmumaha | you need to use that from the command line, transcoding wizard doesn't allow to change resolution if i'm not mistaken | 14:27 |
| solmumaha | but what os are you using on your desktop? | 14:27 |
| benno2 | solmumaha: using windows. can I start vlc via commandline ? | 14:28 |
| solmumaha | sure | 14:28 |
| benno2 | solmumaha: thanks but what is the exact commandline I must pass to vlc ? | 14:30 |
| benno2 | vlc.exe options infile outfile ? | 14:30 |
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| solmumaha | benno2: something like this: VLC.exe -I dummy -vvv FILE_TO_TRANSCODE --sout=#transcode{maxwidth=400,maxheight=240,canvas-width=400,canvas-height=240,canvas-aspect-ratio="400:240",vcodec=xvid,vb=800,acodec=mp3,ab=128,channels=2,fps=24,venc=ffmpeg{trellis}}:standard{access=file,mux=asf,dst=OUTPUTFILE} vlc:quit | 14:32 |
| benno2 | thanks alot ! trying now | 14:32 |
| solmumaha | change input/output of course | 14:33 |
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| solmumaha | benno2: if vlc doesn't recognize some of the settings, leave out canvas stuff and change maxwidth/maxheight to widht/height | 14:35 |
| benno2 | yes, btw do you know how I can escape spaces in file names ? | 14:35 |
| benno2 | for example if my input file is c:\my dir\my file.avi | 14:36 |
| solmumaha | put the filename in singlequotes | 14:36 |
| benno2 | thanks | 14:36 |
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| X-Fade | Anybody else notice a device reboot after a longer period of gps usage on N810? > 1 hour? | 14:38 |
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| jku | X-Fade, no, I've had it running for several hours many times | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | jku: Using Map? | 14:39 |
| jku | no | 14:39 |
| X-Fade | I only had the satellite view open in Map.. | 14:39 |
| lardman | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru574/spru574.pdf is interesting, it talks about the iMX and VLC DSP coprocessors; I wonder if this is what makes up the IVA? | 14:39 |
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| hrw | lardman: trying to get any informations on 2d/3d unit of omap2420? | 14:44 |
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| lardman | hrw: I've got some info about that, a 2.6.x driver to be exact :) | 14:46 |
| lardman | hrw: it doesn't create proc and dev entries when I insmod it though, so I'll need to take a closer look at where it's going wrong | 14:46 |
| lardman | hence my interest in call tree flattening | 14:47 |
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| lardman | I was actually looking at the IVA (another unused bit of hw) | 14:47 |
| hrw | I would like to see 3d unit working | 14:48 |
| lardman | same here | 14:48 |
| lardman | I'd also be interested to see the IVA working - better image and video decoding | 14:49 |
| lardman | The DSP has hardware extensions (coprocessors I guess) which do IDCT/DCT and Motion estimation | 14:50 |
| benno2 | solmumaha: tried to encode a clip with your settings, works quite well. thanks alot ! | 14:50 |
| solmumaha | k, glad it worked | 14:51 |
| benno2 | solmumaha: but these infos are hard to find online | 14:52 |
| benno2 | solmumaha: you should publish it on maemo.org somewhere. | 14:53 |
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| solmumaha | benno2: actually i've written an app for that, but i'm not sure i will release it. | 14:58 |
| solmumaha | benno2: and those settings won't work with vlc 0.9.0 anyways | 14:58 |
| benno2 | solmumaha: an app for what OS ? | 15:00 |
| benno2 | i have seen nokia has a tablet encoder. is it any better than vlc,mencoder ? | 15:00 |
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| solmumaha | i think it's quite good | 15:00 |
| Jaffa | Sad news about ferenc - although hopefully he's going on to bigger & better things | 15:01 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yep, he is.. But he will still stay active. | 15:01 |
| benno2 | solmumaha: so assuming I am on windows. should I use tablet encoder + mplayer , vlc + mplayer, tablet encoder + integrated video player ? | 15:01 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: cool. And congrats on all your publicity recently from Quim ;-) | 15:02 |
| solmumaha | benno2: my app is for tablet, but it uses a server that only works on linux/bsd/os x so sorry :) | 15:02 |
| benno2 | solmumaha: dont worry :) I am a linux guy too, but for laziness I use windows on my laptop | 15:02 |
| solmumaha | benno2: i haven't used the nokia's encoder but i've heard it's pretty good, right Jaffa? | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Hehe, I'll meet Ferenc for beers next week. | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, Quim is pimping me out ;) | 15:03 |
| solmumaha | benno2: want to be my beta tester someday? | 15:03 |
| benno2 | solmumaha: not sure if I have so much time this month :( | 15:04 |
| benno2 | btw does the n800 work as a mythtv frontend ? would be cool | 15:04 |
| solmumaha | i'm in no hurry, i can't do anything until 0.9.0 is released | 15:04 |
| solmumaha | benno2: there's a mobilemyth client on garage | 15:05 |
| Jaffa | solmumaha: Yeah, on Windows Nokia's ITVC is pretty cool | 15:10 |
| |tbb| | is it just me or have some other noticed that the tablet encoder from nokia will make the videos which converted 3 or more times bigger in filesize? | 15:11 |
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| solmumaha | |tbb|: sorry, i didn't remember to remind you to remind me about that alert thing | 15:14 |
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| Tak | solmumaha: don't forget to remind |tbb| to remind you about that alert thing | 15:15 |
| solmumaha | Tak: thanks | 15:15 |
| |tbb| | ah k, solmumaha: i should remind you about testing the alert thing, could you try it please? | 15:17 |
| solmumaha | |tbb|: sure, just remind me when i get home | 15:17 |
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| kortsi | I'm looking for sqlite3 command line tool for OS 2008, anybody know where to find it? | 15:24 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to start a script only once, so if its running it should not start again? | 15:26 |
| |tbb| | without ps aux|grep myap etc. | 15:26 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: touch a pid file and check if it exists before doing anything else | 15:27 |
| kortsi | [[ ! -e $PIDFILE ]] && exit | 15:28 |
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| |tbb| | kortsi: so i have to create a pidfile firs, but how? | 15:32 |
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| |tbb| | s/firs/first/ | 15:32 |
| infobot | |tbb| meant: kortsi: so i have to create a pidfile first, but how? | 15:32 |
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| kortsi | First time you run your script, "touch $PIDFILE" | 15:34 |
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| kortsi | Second time you try to run, it should stop because $PIDFILE exists | 15:34 |
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| kortsi | When you shut down in a controlled way, "rm -f $PIDFILE" | 15:35 |
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| kortsi | |tbb|: oops, that test should actually be "[[ -e $PIDFILE ]] && exit" | 15:37 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: case "$1" in 'start') [[ -e $PIDFILE ]] && exit; touch $PIDFILE; start_the_daemon_process;; 'stop') kill_the_daemon_process; rm -f $PIDFILE;; *) echo "Usage: a_little_daemon_process (start|stop);; esac | 15:40 |
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| holifrii | is there any software to maemo to see (via bluetooth) like for example playlist of media player or foobar? | 15:41 |
| holifrii | like that program would work as a remote | 15:42 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: sorry for possible mistakes, I didn't test it | 15:42 |
| lardman | depends how said bluetooth enabled player exports its data | 15:42 |
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| |tbb| | touch $PIDFILE returns missing operator | 15:45 |
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| |tbb| | do i have to create this pidfile first? | 15:47 |
| solmumaha | define it | 15:47 |
| solmumaha | PIDFILE=path | 15:48 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: you need to define $PIDFILE first | 15:49 |
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| kortsi | |tbb|: eg. "PIDFILE=/var/run/my_daemons_pidfile.pid" | 15:50 |
| mwaldron | g'morning | 15:51 |
| |tbb| | does /var/run includes all running processes? | 15:53 |
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| benno2 | can I see smb shares under OS2008 ? | 16:01 |
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| solmumaha | benno2: yes, but i'm not sure you can authenticate | 16:02 |
| solmumaha | at least i didn't find a way to do that | 16:02 |
| benno2 | solmumaha: and without authentication it works ? | 16:03 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: /var/run is the traditional place for pid files - but remember you must be root to write there | 16:03 |
| solmumaha | benno2: i'd think so, can't say, mine needed auth :) | 16:03 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: if running as a user, use their home dir | 16:03 |
| mwaldron | can't you use mount_smbfs and pass auth data as parameter? | 16:04 |
| solmumaha | mwaldron: not very user friendly :) | 16:04 |
| solmumaha | and upnp works ok | 16:04 |
| mwaldron | good point | 16:04 |
| lardman | derf: can one have a mix of sparse and ~sparse codebook entries in a single codebook? | 16:05 |
| lardman | s/~sparse/!sparse - too much MATLAB | 16:05 |
| |tbb| | my whole question goes there if i run /usr/sbin/myscript.sh how do i add a pidfile into /var/run/ forexample | 16:06 |
| kortsi | does anybody have a precompiled sqlite3 command line interface for OS 2008? libsqlite3 is there, but no cli | 16:06 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: just use the command "touch /var/run/myscript.pid" - the touch command will create an empty file there | 16:07 |
| solmumaha | kortsi: according to gronmayer, debfarm has it | 16:07 |
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| kortsi | |tbb|: and "rm -f /var/run/myscript.pid" - be careful with the rm -f as always! | 16:08 |
| |tbb| | ah k | 16:08 |
| benno2 | solmumaha: do I need to install extra packages to mount smb shares ? | 16:08 |
| kortsi | solmumaha: what is debfarm? | 16:08 |
| benno2 | I tried mount -t smbfs //IP/mydir /mnt/localdir | 16:08 |
| benno2 | but it does not work | 16:08 |
| solmumaha | kortsi: http://gronmayer.com/it/ search for sqlite3 | 16:09 |
| |tbb| | whats the diffrence to do echo > /var/run/myscript.pid | 16:09 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: not much really - "echo" just echoes a linefeed to the file; "touch" creates a file of 0 bytes | 16:10 |
| |tbb| | ah k ,thx for teaching nix | 16:11 |
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| kortsi | benno2: you probably need the smbfs kernel module - don't know if it is there by default | 16:13 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: no problem | 16:13 |
| derf | lardman: No. | 16:14 |
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| derf | And I'm just fine with Matlab notation. | 16:14 |
| lardman | derf: fine, the description (http://xiph.org/vorbis/doc/Vorbis_I_spec.html#vorbis-spec-codebook) is marginally confusing | 16:15 |
| * mwaldron waits patiently for his 810 "5:53 A.M.OUT FOR DELIVERY" | 16:15 | |
| lardman | derf: but mainly down to me | 16:15 |
| derf | I thought the part where it reads a single one-bit sparse flag for the codebook made it clear. | 16:16 |
| lardman | I was just confused that is says "The decoder now performs for each of the [codebook_entries] codebook entries:" | 16:16 |
| lardman | then mentions the check of whether [sparse] is set; but then I should have just read it again and seen that [sparse] is read outside of the loop | 16:17 |
| mwaldron | is there a more generic 'user' maemo channel (for stupid newbie questions and the like)? | 16:18 |
| pupnik | no | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | This it it. | 16:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, is, even. | 16:18 |
| mwaldron | then i will try to keep my newb questions to a dull roar | 16:18 |
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| |tbb| | to save some variables from script which i need later, is it better to save them to a file or into gconf registry | 16:19 |
| |tbb| | for general? | 16:19 |
| pupnik | jott: if there's anything i should change on exult send a /msg. At this point it's ready for packaging imo. | 16:19 |
| pupnik | Afk testing | 16:19 |
| Tak | congratulations @ ready for packaging | 16:19 |
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| kortsi | |tbb|: for shell scripts a simple file is better. just add lines like "VARIABLE=value" and in your script you can load them all with ". settings.sh" | 16:21 |
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| |tbb| | you mean, echo 'myvariable="myvalue"' > settings.sh and in script later loadvariables=`cat settings.sh` ? | 16:24 |
| kortsi | solmumaha: thanks, sqlite3 is in debfarm - just some dependency things to solve | 16:24 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: echo 'myvariable="myvalue"' > settings.sh and in script later: . settings.sh | 16:25 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: note the space between . and settings.sh | 16:25 |
| ||cw | |tbb|: not loadvariables=`cat...', but import settings.sh | 16:25 |
| |tbb| | but settings.sh must be executable and begin with #!/bin/sh ? | 16:26 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: yes | 16:28 |
| |tbb| | last question about sh scripting, when i need to replace one line of a file like firstline=foo secondline=bar thirdline=foobar only replace secondline to secondline=barfoo | 16:28 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: settings.sh is actually just another shell script. the "." command just imports the environment from the script | 16:28 |
| |tbb| | kortsi ok, for my last question upper -> is that possible with basic tools of itos2008 | 16:29 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: im sorry i dont quite understand the question | 16:30 |
| |tbb| | replaceing a line of a file | 16:30 |
| pupnik | standard unix way is to use textfiles (1969) | 16:30 |
| elb | I would assume that os2008 has sed | 16:32 |
| kortsi | |tbb|: so you wan't a script to replace a line in a text file? by line number or by some search string? | 16:32 |
| |tbb| | search string | 16:32 |
| pupnik | but some people hate simplicity. they want to make complexity and assume control | 16:33 |
| |tbb| | yeah right | 16:33 |
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| kortsi | |tbb|: sed really is there. you want to read the manual ("man sed") first. but a quick command would be sed -e 's/searchstring/replacestring/g' file. that will replace every "searchstring" with "replacestring" in the file. understands basic regular expressions too | 16:36 |
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| |tbb| | ah k | 16:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interestingly re: the sponginess of my new N800, the spongier of the two units does actually seem to have better touchscreen response. | 16:39 |
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| lardman | derf: presumably an overpopulated tree is a bad sign? | 16:42 |
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| playya2 | what is the name of app installer (GUI). cant find it | 17:13 |
| jku | hildon-application-manager | 17:15 |
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| playya2 | ah hildon. i looked for osso* | 17:16 |
| playya2 | nope. also not hildon. there is only hildon-input-method | 17:18 |
| jku | where are you looking? | 17:23 |
| jku | it's in /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager on the device | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | project lives here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/hildon-app-mgr/ | 17:24 |
| playya2 | is this the default one? | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | Yep, it is developed in the open. | 17:28 |
| playya2 | i want to start a .install file to have a look at why it stucks | 17:28 |
| playya2 | n810 or n800? | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | ITOS ;) | 17:28 |
| playya2 | better way: http://nopaste.unixfreunde.de/421 <- where is the mistake | 17:33 |
| Tak | wow, I didn't know we had the app manager source | 17:33 |
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| jku | Tak, me neither | 17:34 |
| * Tak may be submitting patches in near future | 17:35 | |
| * Jaffa neither. | 17:39 | |
| Jaffa | Someone could finally implement the tag cloud suggestion | 17:39 |
| Tak | X-Fade++ | 17:39 |
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| mwaldron | wo my 810 is delivered. i just have to wait for teh gnomes to bring it to my desk | 17:42 |
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| * Tak send pixies to intercept | 17:43 | |
| mwaldron | heh | 17:43 |
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| solmumaha | |tbb|: no alarm after boot | 18:14 |
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| b0r0las | what is the best case for the n800? | 18:27 |
| zoran | lowercase | 18:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Proporta HD case is supposed to be good. | 18:28 |
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| |tbb| | solmumaha: same as me, to bad. But when does a tablet requires a reboot anyway ;) | 18:28 |
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| Jaffa | |tbb|: after installing Canola, apparently ("daemons need restarting", why they can't just send SIGHUP to them in postinst, I've no idea) | 18:31 |
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| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: some are not the same daemon | 19:24 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: like downloadmanager | 19:24 |
| Jaffa | k-s[WORK]: postinst's a shell script in which you can do anything you want, including (say): /etc/init.d/downloadmanager stop; /etc/init.d/lms stop; /etc/init.d/lms start; /etc/init.d/downloadmanager start | 19:25 |
| * Jaffa accepts getting the users to restart is easier, but it's a bit messy TBH | 19:25 | |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: yes, that's true... I was talking about SIGHUP :-) | 19:26 |
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| Jaffa | k-s[WORK]: lots of SIGHUPs (assuming they're configured to restart on SIGHUP or reload config or ...) | 19:26 |
| k-s[WORK] | Jaffa: downloadmanager was in C, now in python... no sighup would help :-D | 19:27 |
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| rm_you | anyone here every gotten Perlin Noise functions to work? >_> | 20:07 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ehh? :P | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need an icons to integrate advanced backlight with LCARS. | 20:08 |
| rm_you | rofl yes | 20:08 |
| rm_you | you said that | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | You try LCARS yet? | 20:08 |
| rm_you | no | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do it! | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's high-hilarity. | 20:09 |
| rm_you | heh | 20:09 |
| * GeneralAntilles is glad he has some tablets that he doesn't have to be seen in public with. | 20:09 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Any idea what the maximum size for statusbar applet icons is? | 20:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | 40x40 maybe | 20:12 |
| Tak | I still want them to release the damn doom3 theme | 20:12 |
| fysa | OK. I guess it's time to upgrade from the leaked OS2008 beta. | 20:15 |
| fysa | how is rtcomm? | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | For what in particular? | 20:15 |
| fysa | I heard rumblings that the rtcomm betas caused problems -- last monthish | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're beyond that. | 20:16 |
| fysa | cool. | 20:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you haven't done anything icon-wise, right? | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | (Not, LCARS, generic Hildon) | 20:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icon.png | 20:54 |
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| coffee88 | GeneralAntilles: well I think it looks good! | 21:03 |
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| pupnik | no release yet jott, Tak -exult still too annoying to play | 21:15 |
| heikkit | I wanted to start working on mobile firefox, and installed maemo in a vmware guest (ubuntu dapper, host is ubuntu gutsy) as described here: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Maemo_Build_Instructions | 21:16 |
| heikkit | but I don't seem to have working dns in maemo, only IP addresses work (dns works in the scratchbox prompt) | 21:17 |
| heikkit | any ideas? | 21:17 |
| jott | hello | 21:17 |
| jott | pupnik: yeah i must agree unfortunately .. it lags quite hard when loading the mp3 :( | 21:17 |
| pupnik | jott does the character face icon for spark appear in the lower left of your screen? | 21:18 |
| jott | you still fork a gst-launch | 21:18 |
| jott | uhm no .. ah and the main menu is not centered.. | 21:19 |
| jott | (as in centered in the double-sized screen though in the lower left corner) | 21:19 |
| jott | erm lower right | 21:19 |
| pupnik | the main menu on startup should be pixel-doubled and fullscreen centered | 21:20 |
| jott | erm the in-game menu.. | 21:20 |
| jott | when pressing esc | 21:20 |
| pupnik | the in game menu is centered here :/ | 21:20 |
| pupnik | did you use my exult.cfg? | 21:20 |
| jott | yeah should be | 21:20 |
| * jott double checks | 21:21 | |
| jott | yeah it's your cfg | 21:21 |
| jott | strange | 21:21 |
| pupnik | ok what do you think about making the 'enter' dpad button be mouse toggle | 21:22 |
| pupnik | very hard to reach F7 on the n810 | 21:22 |
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| jott | nah dpad is much much harder to reach with a closed n810 ;) | 21:22 |
| pupnik | ok | 21:22 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: neat. it needs stages | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | ;) | 21:23 |
| pupnik | also i was annoyed when clicking on character icons, that the party moved to the location of the click | 21:23 |
| rm_you | it needs one stage for every combinartion of backlight / volume | 21:23 |
| rm_you | sooooo | 21:23 |
| pupnik | i.e. the first click is registered as a movement click | 21:23 |
| rm_you | 4 * 5 | 21:23 |
| jott | ah and another thing i noticed, i did no manage to drive a wagon.. | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Way ahead of you. :P | 21:23 |
| pupnik | an alternative is to hit the 'i' key to bring up the character inventory | 21:23 |
| rm_you | 4 backlight levels (full -> empty) and 5 volume levels (full -> empty -> muted) | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do PSDs work for you? | 21:23 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: yes | 21:24 |
| pupnik | ok i heard of a wagon problem in the #exult channel | 21:24 |
| jott | but don't know if this is due to the cvs version | 21:24 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: good work :P | 21:24 |
| jott | do you know when 1.4 is targeted? | 21:24 |
| pupnik | no | 21:24 |
| jott | 1.2 seems more reliable at the moement :/ | 21:25 |
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| Jaffa | heikkit: check /etc/resolv.conf in Scratchbox | 21:26 |
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| heikkit | Jaffa: hmm, strange.. .yesterday it was identical to what was in vmware guest, now scratchbox version has just localhost | 21:28 |
| * heikkit goes to edit | 21:29 | |
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| heikkit | Jaffa: wohoo, works! thanks | 21:31 |
| Jaffa | np | 21:33 |
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| Navi | are you supposed to have networking when running the maemo sdk? | 21:37 |
| Navi | Networking inside maemo, that is | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icon.png http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icon.psd | 21:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | 6*4 | 21:38 |
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| jumpula | Navi: yes | 21:41 |
| Navi | >_> How do you set it up? | 21:41 |
| Navi | It's not working for me. | 21:42 |
| heikkit | Navi: maybe you need to trick it: http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill-stable.html | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I could add some more backlight levels, too, if you want to go crazy'n'such. | 21:44 |
| rm_you | heh | 21:44 |
| rm_you | as many as you can make look nice | 21:44 |
| rm_you | but remember it's O(m*n) | 21:44 |
| rm_you | <_< | 21:44 |
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| thp | how can i set the osso-xterm to black background and white text? | 21:45 |
| fysa | heikkit: figure out your scratchbox issue w/resolving DNS? | 21:45 |
| jumpula | Navi: check your /etc/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 21:46 |
| jumpula | same for nsswitch.conf | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | thp, xterm menu, Tools, Settings... | 21:46 |
| heikkit | fysa: yes, scratchbox's /etc/resolv.conf pointed only to localhost (I am sure I checked that yesterday, but it works now, so I am happy) | 21:46 |
| jumpula | make sure the settings are proper on both target and host side | 21:46 |
| fysa | cool. | 21:47 |
| thp | GeneralAntilles: but the text doesn't change to white then | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Look harder. | 21:47 |
| thp | ah, thanks | 21:47 |
| thp | ;) | 21:47 |
| fysa | heikkit: I am incredibly interested in Mobile Firefox. It supports extensions, right? | 21:47 |
| heikkit | fysa: the plan is to support extensions, yes | 21:48 |
| fysa | and you know of the grabanddrag extension? | 21:48 |
| heikkit | no | 21:48 |
| Navi | I have nsswitch.conf with the line hosts: files dns | 21:48 |
| fysa | http://grabanddrag.mozdev.org | 21:49 |
| Navi | and my resolv.conf entry is correct. | 21:49 |
| Jaffa | heikkit: grandanddrag will be very nice to have. | 21:49 |
| Jaffa | (Even better, of course, if Gtk just acted like that throughout Maemo/ITOS) | 21:49 |
| fysa | grabanddrag is the #1 reason I want a more featured mozilla build. | 21:49 |
| * heikkit is reading t he page and watching the video | 21:49 | |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I have to leave for the weekend like... now... | 21:49 |
| rm_you | email me comments / files | 21:49 |
| fysa | #2 is bookmark sync ;) | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Will do. | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have fun. | 21:49 |
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| Navi | apt-get update works inside sbox. | 21:52 |
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| Navi | Gah, this sucks. | 21:54 |
| coffee88 | Navi: I am noooo expert, and haven't tried this, but have you set a LD_PRELOAD ? | 21:55 |
| Navi | No. | 21:56 |
| coffee88 | Navi: http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.devel/2005-08/msg00176.html | 21:56 |
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| coffee88 | Navi: no idea if it's still relevant, or will help though... | 21:57 |
| Navi | No go. | 21:57 |
| coffee88 | Navi: doh. sorry! | 21:58 |
| Navi | Whatever, I'll live. Thanks anyway. | 21:59 |
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| fysa | heikkit: it's very configurable.. | 22:03 |
| heikkit | fysa: it seems like that kind of scrolling functionality should be built in, I think one of the mobile fx devs is going to take a look at that extension and see how that would work | 22:04 |
| heikkit | fysa: thanks for the pointer | 22:04 |
| fysa | heikkit: yes, it should definitely be built-in. having a dev case with firefox (even full firefox) on a maemo with that extension would be excellent for usability testing. | 22:05 |
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| heikkit | fysa: actually, you can have full fx on maemo right now - it just isn't optimized for it yet | 22:06 |
| fysa | never even thought to try compiling it.. been trying to get WebKit going. | 22:07 |
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| fysa | but now that you mentioned it. | 22:09 |
| heikkit | fysa: used these instructions without any trouble (apart from that dns): http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Maemo_Build_Instructions | 22:10 |
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| fysa | nice | 22:15 |
| fysa | thanks. | 22:15 |
| fysa | did you try it on your device yet? | 22:15 |
| fysa | or just in scratchbox? | 22:15 |
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| Hoppy | Can anyone here help me load python2.5? | 22:19 |
| mwaldron | what is the repository name to add to for the 3rd party apps (mameo.org, itt software, etc) | 22:24 |
| Hoppy | maemo.org | 22:25 |
| melmoth | mwaldron: extras | 22:25 |
| mwaldron | extras.maemo.org then? | 22:26 |
| melmoth | mwaldron: use the application manager. | 22:26 |
| mwaldron | yes, i am | 22:26 |
| melmoth | the repository is there by default (on os2008), it is just not activated | 22:26 |
| mwaldron | Ah, it needs activated. got it | 22:26 |
| mwaldron | thats' what i was missing | 22:26 |
| mwaldron | thanks | 22:27 |
| Hoppy | Hi, I need help loading python2.5. Can someone help me, please? | 22:27 |
| melmoth | Hoppy: as long as you have the extras repo activated (see above :) ), installing any application that requires python2.5 should install it as well | 22:27 |
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| melmoth | you can also use a terminal and launch 'apt-get install python2.5-runtime' | 22:28 |
| Hoppy | Thanks. I think it is activated. The "disabled" button in the catalog details is unchecked. | 22:29 |
| heikkit | fysa: I don't have the physical device, so just in scratchbox. however, one of the mobile fx devs showed fx running in two n8xx devices | 22:32 |
| heikkit | fysa: to me, so I definitely know it works | 22:32 |
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| Hoppy | Does anyone know if carman or maemo-periodic will run in OS2008? | 22:44 |
| Hoppy | Trying to install i keep getting the message "unable to install maemo-periodic. Incompatible application package" | 22:45 |
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| Tama^2 | Hello | 22:46 |
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| melmoth | Hoppy: try red pill mode | 22:47 |
| Hoppy | How do I do that? | 22:48 |
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| lcuk_2 | isnt there a problem with people getting stuff from extras because nokia screwed up? | 22:49 |
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| lcuk_2 | different countries having problems etc | 22:49 |
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| melmoth | Hoppy: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationmanagerredpillmode/ | 22:52 |
| Hoppy | melmoth: thanks, i'll check it out. | 22:52 |
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| bipolar | Has anyone ever heard of useing an n800 as a bluetooth headset? I'd like to be able to keep my phone in my pocket and use the n800's mic/headphones. | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | phonelink is what you're after. | 22:53 |
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| bipolar | phonelink... I'll look it up. thanks GeneralAntilles | 22:54 |
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| lcuk_2 | apt-get beer | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 22:58 |
| lcuk_2 | sudo apt-get beer | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK. | 22:58 |
| lcuk_2 | :D | 22:58 |
| lcuk_2 | hows it goin gen? | 22:58 |
| * lcuk_2 can type again finally and 810 isnt bein a cylon. thanks :) | 22:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Just finished up my new icon set for adv-backlight. | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-icons.zip | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | 70 cmd-shift-s's | 22:59 |
| lcuk_2 | cool, ive just started on the road to sdl | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I need to figure out how to get Photoshop to automate those psd flattenings. | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Such a pain. | 23:00 |
| lcuk_2 | my old painty thingy just flattens anything if i save it as a png | 23:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I make heavy use of layers for most projects. | 23:00 |
| jkyro | isn't gimp scriptable? | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, for stuff like status bar icons and video game textures (with multiple "skins"), I have to show only the layers I want for that particular flattening. | 23:01 |
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| lcuk_2 | "Copy merged" :) - in psp anyway... | 23:01 |
| lcuk_2 | "Past as new image" | 23:02 |
| lcuk_2 | +e | 23:02 |
| dtahtbot | lcuk_2: Error: "e" is not a valid command. | 23:02 |
| lcuk_2 | +1 | 23:02 |
| dtahtbot | lcuk_2: Error: "1" is not a valid command. | 23:02 |
| lcuk_2 | +GeneralAntilles loves his cat | 23:02 |
| dtahtbot | lcuk_2: Error: "GeneralAntilles" is not a valid command. | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | +help | 23:02 |
| dtahtbot | GeneralAntilles: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 23:02 |
| lcuk_2 | +i_need_somebody | 23:03 |
| dtahtbot | lcuk_2: Error: "i_need_somebody" is not a valid command. | 23:03 |
| lcuk_2 | +help | 23:03 |
| dtahtbot | lcuk_2: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 23:03 |
| lcuk_2 | +not_just_anybody | 23:03 |
| dtahtbot | lcuk_2: Error: "not_just_anybody" is not a valid command. | 23:03 |
| lcuk_2 | cool | 23:03 |
| lcuk_2 | if my name had a + at the start of it and the bot was telling me off, would he get caught in a loop? | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on what he parses. | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably, no. | 23:04 |
| lcuk_2 | +awww | 23:04 |
| dtahtbot | lcuk_2: Error: "awww" is not a valid command. | 23:04 |
| lcuk_2 | damn name not changed | 23:04 |
| lcuk_2 | ahhhh xchat wont let me :( | 23:04 |
| lcuk_2 | i made my 810 into a nice hand warmer last nice | 23:05 |
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| lcuk_2 | nite | 23:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Watching movies? | 23:06 |
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| lcuk_2 | nope, i was looking at fullscreen (and beyond) blits in dsl and see what works and what doesnt | 23:06 |
| lcuk_2 | sdl | 23:06 |
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| * lcuk_2 needs a nubile secutary typist | 23:06 | |
| lcuk_2 | (with a dictionary) | 23:07 |
| bipolar | GeneralAntilles: It seems that phonelink is only for dialing, and sending sms messages, not for using the n800 as a headset for a phone. have you seen it used as such? Am I missing some thing? | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | My phone doesn't play nice with phonelink | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | so I haven't used it | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | I thought it did that | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I guess not. | 23:07 |
| bipolar | darn... I got all excited :( | 23:08 |
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| lcuk_2 | bipolar, i think thats a damned good start, ive not heard about an interactive device like this one before. you might be able to find other info on the forums of the phonelink site because if GeneralAntilles thought of it, you can be damned sure someone else has as well | 23:08 |
| khertan_ | Hi | 23:09 |
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| lcuk_2 | hi hkertan | 23:09 |
| lcuk_2 | finally home from a long week? | 23:09 |
| Khertan_Home | is there a way to boost audio out in gain ? | 23:09 |
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| lcuk_2 | you mean from the headphone socket? | 23:10 |
| lcuk_2 | and using the nokia headphones | 23:10 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: yes ... finally out... of a very long week ... with too many short deadline ... | 23:10 |
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| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: i mean with software | 23:10 |
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| bipolar | lcuk_2: so far all i've found is others trying to do the same thing :( | 23:10 |
| lcuk_2 | thats february for you - all the xmas relaxation and slow windup in january makes for february a stressfull month, sit back get a beer and enjoy your weekend :) | 23:11 |
| * Khertan_Home is releasing a new version of PyGTKEditor ... and a new soft ... mTasks | 23:11 | |
| lcuk_2 | .... | 23:11 |
| lcuk_2 | on your site? | 23:11 |
| sp3000 | interesting | 23:11 |
| lcuk_2 | or in extras? | 23:11 |
| sp3000 | I generally find March doesn't actually exist | 23:11 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: lol i ll work this weekend ... :( | 23:11 |
| melmoth | Khertan_Home: will there be auto tabulation for python code ? | 23:11 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: on my site ... | 23:11 |
| lcuk_2 | on way | 23:11 |
| melmoth | or is it called, auto indentation ? well, you got the idea. | 23:11 |
| sp3000 | it's on the calendar, but mysteriously nothing gets done | 23:11 |
| Khertan_Home | melmoth: yes ... auto tab :) | 23:11 |
| * lcuk_2 will unwrap this software gently | 23:12 | |
| melmoth | \o/ hurray | 23:12 |
| Khertan_Home | auto indent | 23:12 |
| sp3000 | it's magical somehow. | 23:12 |
| Khertan_Home | i can't upload to repository extra ... as i can't use dput | 23:12 |
| lcuk_2 | ;( "Error 403 - Forbidden | 23:12 |
| lcuk_2 | L'accès au fichier requiert une autorisation." | 23:12 |
| Khertan_Home | ? | 23:12 |
| lcuk_2 | its ok its an old link | 23:12 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: on what file ? | 23:12 |
| Khertan_Home | lol | 23:12 |
| lcuk_2 | you gave me a link to grab an early beta to pygtk and this was the folder | 23:13 |
| Khertan_Home | and i'm trying to update maemo.org ... but it s really a too slow server ! | 23:13 |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 23:13 |
| lcuk_2 | i think maemo.org is about 800 servers worldwide isnt it | 23:13 |
| lcuk_2 | akamai cache | 23:13 |
| lcuk_2 | or is that just the repo | 23:13 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: it s not possible that this host by akamai ! | 23:14 |
| Khertan_Home | akamai server work very well ... look at the apple one ... they use akamai server | 23:14 |
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| lcuk_2 | i think the config of the servers for maemo repos keeps screwing up because people keep getting certificate errors on specific caches when other people are fine | 23:15 |
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| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: right | 23:15 |
| Khertan_Home | Changes in latest version The value of this field may not be longer then 400 characters. | 23:16 |
| Khertan_Home | lol | 23:16 |
| Khertan_Home | i ve made too many change | 23:16 |
| lcuk_2 | you must compress your changes. in future, we will know that "+" means "added tonnes more stuff whilst idly sitting around for hours of every day whilst normal people are working" ;) | 23:16 |
| lcuk_2 | which bluetooth keyboard do people use and recommend - its for 810 and doesnt need to fold up because it will stay at home. | 23:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Apple, then. | 23:19 |
| lcuk_2 | how long do the batteries last - and i prefer the look of the older model apple one but they dont sell it at apple | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plenty of time. | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I know a fair number of people with both the old and the new models | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | none of them have ever complained about battery life. | 23:20 |
| lcuk_2 | khertan, serious question - you have linked c/c++ modules with python to create a new widget. could you point me towards an example of such please? | 23:20 |
| lcuk_2 | or is pygtk using such a system | 23:20 |
| lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, cool, i'll get one then | 23:20 |
| melmoth | lcuk_2: swig can let you wrap c++ code in python | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I'd highly recommend the newer one. | 23:21 |
| lcuk_2 | looks awful - i dont want a laptop board | 23:21 |
| melmoth | but it s a bit of a work. (i m using swig bindings , but i havent wrote the swig wrapping myself) | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The laptop switches in that tend to wear out a little more gracefully than the full-size silicone domes in the old one. | 23:21 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: hum .... i ve only compiled an existing binding for python ... gtksourceview binding already exist | 23:21 |
| lcuk_2 | melmoth, Khertan thanks i will look at both, i like python but know some things need speed of c | 23:22 |
| lcuk_2 | i dont type that much GeneralAntilles. | 23:22 |
| * lcuk_2 scrolls back and reconsiders that answer | 23:22 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, I'm just sayin'. :P | 23:22 |
| lcuk_2 | i suppose ill be best wandering into apple shop and doing a touch test | 23:23 |
| * GeneralAntilles wishes somebody would put a bluetooth module into a Model M. | 23:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Or better yet, make a usb-to-bluetooth transceiver. | 23:23 |
| lcuk_2 | 100% agree gen | 23:23 |
| lcuk_2 | 810 could do that... | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 23:23 |
| lcuk_2 | be a bit expensive tho | 23:23 |
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| lcuk_2 | "updating pygtkeditor" | 23:24 |
| Khertan_Home | ? | 23:24 |
| lcuk_2 | im installing | 23:24 |
| Khertan_Home | ah ok :) | 23:24 |
| lcuk_2 | pygtked successfully installed :D | 23:25 |
| Khertan_Home | stupid maemo download section ! | 23:25 |
| Khertan_Home | 15min to update PyGtkEditor for OS2007 .... | 23:25 |
| Khertan_Home | now need more 5 min to load OS2008 page | 23:25 |
| fysa | did ARM release a specific date with their announcement of a new CPU to rival Silverthorne and promise of 'internet in your pocket'? | 23:26 |
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| fysa | something about being very media-friendly | 23:26 |
| lcuk_2 | w0000t thankyou khertan :) you added the elusive tab | 23:26 |
| dragorn | ds3: fyi, you have to hack the sisusb kconfig stuff since it's locked to ehci usb2 | 23:26 |
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| leif__ | GeneralAntilles, I see that adv-backlight has hardcoded paths to the hicolor icons instead of fetching them from the current icon theme | 23:27 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: :) | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only Nokia would provide the sources to their lame status bar applets. | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, though, leif__. | 23:28 |
| Khertan_Home | Huhu pygtkeditor is in the star download section :) | 23:28 |
| Khertan_Home | GeneralAntilles: yep ! | 23:29 |
| Khertan_Home | GeneralAntilles: i ve still not found how to make transparency .... :( | 23:29 |
| leif__ | it is really irritating how many of the hildon-desktop plugins are closed source | 23:29 |
| leif__ | afaict the whole left hand panel (task nav) is all closed plugins, except for the main apps menu | 23:29 |
| Khertan_Home | leif__: all nokia one are | 23:30 |
| leif__ | actually i just realized yesterday that the rss reader applet is open... but that is probably only because the rss reader itself is based on Liferea | 23:30 |
| Khertan_Home | leif__: really ? | 23:31 |
| leif__ | yep | 23:31 |
| Khertan_Home | leif__: so maybe i ll can see how they make transparent home applet | 23:31 |
| fysa | what? | 23:32 |
| fysa | where did you see that the built-in RSS is base off Liferea? | 23:32 |
| leif__ | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/o/osso-rss-feed-reader | 23:33 |
| fysa | http://code.google.com/p/frothing/ | 23:33 |
| leif__ | it says in the copyright file that it is | 23:33 |
| dragorn | hahahah | 23:34 |
| dragorn | vga out on the n810 | 23:34 |
| dragorn | awesome | 23:34 |
| Khertan_Home | dragorn: ?? how ?? | 23:34 |
| dragorn | Khertan: USB2 SISUSB vga adapter | 23:34 |
| dragorn | and an external power source | 23:34 |
| leif__ | interesting that the version there is source for is 1.4.42-1 while the version in OS2008 is 1.4.43-0 | 23:34 |
| dragorn | and a little hacking to the kconfigs to unlink sisusb from EHCI | 23:34 |
| leif__ | and by interesting i mean lame | 23:35 |
| fysa | heh | 23:35 |
| fysa | new Liferea supports WebKit.. | 23:35 |
| fysa | I want to smash the built-in RSS reader though. | 23:35 |
| fysa | I can't stand that it's not properly threaded. | 23:35 |
| leif__ | or properly themed | 23:35 |
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| fysa | I shouldn't have to wait for 400 things to update before a screen refresh lets me read one fucking paragraph that's already on the screen. | 23:36 |
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| lcuk_2 | Khertan_Home, can i ask why have you got a screenshot of Glade GUI editor running on maemo? ;) i am interested in following your logic (and maybe playing with glade myself in such an environment) | 23:36 |
| lcuk_2 | ^ screenshot is actually the screenshot for mTasks program on your site | 23:37 |
| leif__ | does anyone have a trivial way of comparing the ITOS's /var/lib/dpkg/status file with http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo4.0/free/source/Sources ? I'd like to make three lists: Closed packages, open packages with up-to-date-source, and free/open packages with newer versions on the device than there is source for | 23:40 |
| leif__ | i think the 3rd category is large | 23:40 |
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| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: oups i ve uploaded the wrong screenshot :) thx | 23:41 |
| lcuk_2 | Khertan_Home, dont go all shy now, tell us. how well does it work, is it usable | 23:41 |
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| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: i ve glade3 running on my n810, all work, but as glade3 is a single windows, it s unusable ... | 23:41 |
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| Khertan_Home | you can set properties of a widget as the box is too small | 23:42 |
| Khertan_Home | but i'm working on a multiple windows implementation of glade3 to be able to use it on the n8x0 | 23:42 |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 23:42 |
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| lcuk_2 | i wonder how you would get past that problem - working on an app which requires more screen estate than avail | 23:43 |
| lcuk_2 | without making it like vi ;) | 23:43 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: i'm talking about this in blog.khertan.net (it s a french blog) | 23:43 |
| lcuk_2 | i see you did get an 810 tho, how are you liking it | 23:43 |
| lcuk_2 | is your blog in english language or native tongue? | 23:43 |
| Khertan_Home | my blog is in french | 23:43 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: i like my new n810 ! Keyboard is really usefull to dev in the train ... | 23:44 |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 23:44 |
| fysa | anyone make an RSS filter site that replaces links with Google Translated versions? ;) | 23:44 |
| lcuk_2 | keyboard is nice, but as you might have seen, im gonna replace the thumbboard with a proper one for home use. when im out of house its gr8 | 23:44 |
| Jaffa | dragorn: The VGA USB adapter's working? Photo? Details? :-) | 23:45 |
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| jku | pics or it didn't happen | 23:45 |
| fysa | http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9731147-2.html | 23:45 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: but as i use mainly my n8x0 out of house ... :) | 23:46 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: It's working. Nothing too special. | 23:46 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: Just got sisbit displaying PPMs on the monitor | 23:46 |
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| dragorn | Jaffa: Not sure I have anywhere to go with it beyond this tho, I can put the kmod up if someone really wants it but it was a 1-line change to the kernel kconfig | 23:46 |
| lcuk_2 | Khertan_Home, i know. so have you got more productive with 810 or are you still itching to touch the screen | 23:46 |
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| lcuk_2 | and one other thing - now you have 810, can you see why we wanted the tab key ;) | 23:46 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: I'm not trying to run X on the external monitor (w/out the xserver drivers it wouldn't do much) | 23:46 |
| leif__ | hi konttori | 23:46 |
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| dragorn | it's just a tritton usb2vga adapter plugged into a hub plugged into the 810, and a power tap to my laptop to give the hub juice | 23:47 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: i ve understand why a tab key only few minutes after use it :) | 23:47 |
| dragorn | Seems pretty quick, throws up a 1024x768 3 meg PPM in a little under a second | 23:47 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: yes i can say i m more productive | 23:47 |
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| pupnik | my tab key is FN+Space | 23:48 |
| lcuk_2 | excellent, thats good news for everyone | 23:48 |
| Jaffa | dragorn: cool. A set of PPMs would be adequate for presentations etc. (assuming you never needed to modify them on the device ;-)) | 23:48 |
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| dragorn | Jaffa: yeah | 23:48 |
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| dragorn | Jaffa: or imagemagick and low-res would be plausible | 23:48 |
| lcuk_2 | i hate the double push of keys - its like numbers, i am getting used to them but they bug me each time | 23:48 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: or write something else that can talk to the sisusb node and write something more sane | 23:49 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: in theory it can be made to work like a fb console | 23:49 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: i found it s a great keyboard ... except in a point of view of dev ... no tab, no [] | 23:49 |
| Jaffa | dragorn: Have people with Linux boxes got X running on the SIS chipset? (is it basically the same as their onboard gfx chips?) | 23:50 |
| Khertan_Home | but i ll try to remap chr+space to tab ... | 23:50 |
| lcuk_2 | Khertan_Home, the mTasks thing (which i notice you have updated pic on), when i set a task to low priority i can barely see it. i have my display on lowest but its not much better when i set it to brightest | 23:50 |
| dragorn | jackster: stuff I see says straight up Xfree will run on it | 23:50 |
| dragorn | err | 23:50 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: see above | 23:50 |
| Jaffa | :) | 23:50 |
| Jaffa | Very cool. | 23:50 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: but I haven't tried | 23:50 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: it s tasks that are done ... :) | 23:51 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: and honestly, don't count on me to try it for the 810 any time soon, unless I'm feeling awfully curious some day and feel like spending a lot of time building a chroot | 23:51 |
| * Jaffa 's only connected one thing to his N810 via USB so far (a memory stick lying around), but that was very cool. Planning on buying a Linksys USB100M at some point. | 23:51 | |
| Khertan_Home | so ... but maybe i should try other colors ... | 23:51 |
| lcuk_2 | ahhhhh, i misrepresented (because i couldnt see properly) "done,low,standard,high" | 23:52 |
| lcuk_2 | i thought (based on the ones i could see) that it was priority | 23:52 |
| lcuk_2 | thats what the + - indicates | 23:52 |
| lcuk_2 | i would feel better having a completed checkbox. that way i still know if i have finished many important tasks | 23:53 |
| Khertan_Home | yes it s bit like priority ... | 23:53 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: http://kismetwireless.net/screenshot/wispy810.jpg | 23:53 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: but then the os2008 release broke iread on usb | 23:54 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: i ve made it like that as i don't like to have checkbox :) | 23:54 |
| Jaffa | dragorn: where it worked on the beta? That's one cool photo | 23:54 |
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| Khertan_Home | yes i know i ve a different use of tasks as other people hae | 23:54 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: yeah worked fine on the beta, I even redid the app to be hildonized | 23:54 |
| lcuk_2 | :) fair enough, you are the primary user anyway | 23:54 |
| Khertan_Home | s/hae/have | 23:54 |
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| Jaffa | dragorn: bug in bugzilla? | 23:55 |
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| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: and gpe do standart tasks managment very well | 23:55 |
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| dragorn | Jaffa: haven't yet, no. | 23:55 |
| dragorn | Jaffa: it's a kernel bug, my experience in trying to get those fixed is "no" | 23:55 |
| lcuk_2 | :O im shocked, you have competition - ive never seen a tasks program before ;) | 23:56 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk_2: i ll try to make an home applet too and an web site to sync with | 23:56 |
| Jaffa | dragorn: even for regressions? | 23:56 |
| lcuk_2 | im thinking along the same lines, i just want it triggering when it detects home network in the evening | 23:56 |
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| lcuk_2 | Khertan, heres a page where you can get tab key | 23:58 |
| lcuk_2 | http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ | 23:58 |
| lcuk_2 | im gonna vanish for a while, ive got choc and beer waiting | 23:59 |
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