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| pupnik | we have to do everything we can to KILL WINDOWS | 01:48 |
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| johnx | Ok, I'm with you, but what makes you say that right now? | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you seriously want all those Windows users switching to Linux. <_< | 01:49 |
| johnx | nah...Mac is fine :D | 01:49 |
| ds3 | kill x86 | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 01:50 |
| ds3 | let them all sort it out | 01:50 |
| johnx | ds3, and what will replace x86? | 01:50 |
| ds3 | it time for the arm revolution | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:50 |
| johnx | aaah...hmm...notsomuch | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | ARM makes no sense for bigiron work. | 01:50 |
| ds3 | write more efficient software | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah . . . that's a BS solution. | 01:51 |
| johnx | yeah, but I still have to compile it | 01:51 |
| johnx | :P | 01:51 |
| ds3 | write it in assembly :P | 01:51 |
| blafasel | Like - http://xkcd.com/378/ | 01:52 |
| * |tbb| means that windows will kill itself if they develope like they did in years | 01:53 | |
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| pupnik | microsoft is an evil ass-raper and intel is an evil that is so unbelievable i can't even tell you what I know. | 01:56 |
| jga23 | is there any way to get files from my home directory in scratchbox other than copying to /tmp? | 01:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles misses PPC. | 01:59 | |
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| |tbb| | anyway gnite all | 02:00 |
| johnx | 'night |tbb| | 02:00 |
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| pupnik | crap i broke pahts somehow | 02:34 |
| pupnik | avatar can't find any path | 02:34 |
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| pupnik | i remember my first PC magazine - "creative computing" | 02:36 |
| pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Computing | 02:36 |
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| Tama^2 | Creative - Computing? oxymoron I say! ;-P | 02:38 |
| pupnik | the magazine was published 1974-1985 | 02:38 |
| pupnik | but handhelds are reviving a little bit of the spirit | 02:39 |
| johnx | Tama^2, oxymoron? You haven't seen any of my hacks then... | 02:39 |
| johnx | yeah, the spirit exists in any field of computing that isn't "established" yet | 02:39 |
| pupnik | a shame the ipod sold | 02:41 |
| pupnik | deapite being a locked system | 02:41 |
| pupnik | now all the fanbois are geeking over 'unlocking' their treasure | 02:41 |
| pupnik | a swift kick to the gonads would be in order | 02:42 |
| Tama^2 | lol, true | 02:42 |
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| Tama^2 | buy something crippled and spend time in order to un-cripple it instead of improving it | 02:42 |
| johnx | hmmm...does it make me elitist if I'm glad that the tablet isn't quite mainstream yet? | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I agree. | 02:43 |
| pupnik | i dunno, more sales = more developers | 02:44 |
| johnx | more sales to devs = more devs, more sales to n00bs = more n00bs... | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mainstream will require more pandering from Nokia. | 02:44 |
| pupnik | oh ok that is a valid poitn GeneralAntilles | 02:44 |
| pupnik | i'm happy as a pig with nokia to be honest. | 02:45 |
| pupnik | the 770 and the 810 are just lovely | 02:45 |
| pupnik | oh and gps lock with new gpsd today in 19 seconds | 02:46 |
| johnx | the "leap year fix" gpsd? | 02:46 |
| pupnik | yeah. | 02:46 |
| johnx | Nokia says that it doesn't help anything :) | 02:46 |
| pupnik | i read a response that claims the logic | 02:46 |
| pupnik | right | 02:46 |
| johnx | so you must have imagined the lock :P | 02:46 |
| pupnik | my sampling is not statistically meaningful | 02:46 |
| johnx | even though I have an N800 I'm really curious as to the nature of this bug | 02:47 |
| johnx | it's an interesting mystery... | 02:47 |
| pupnik | what kills me is this occasional terrible sound quality on the n810 | 02:47 |
| pupnik | sometimes it is better, sometimes worse | 02:48 |
| pupnik | i imagine the n800 has great sound | 02:48 |
| pupnik | the 770 is great | 02:48 |
| johnx | The N800 is fine sound...somewhere in the range of crappy laptop speakers | 02:49 |
| johnx | woo! I have a booting 2.6 kernel on my zaurus 5500 again | 02:50 |
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| pupnik | well with respect to speaker technology, there are dynamic cones, and then there are these planar membrane / electrostatic technologies | 02:52 |
| pupnik | and cell phones nowadays use this newer tech | 02:52 |
| pupnik | and it's amazing stuff | 02:52 |
| johnx | what do the N8x0 use? | 02:52 |
| pupnik | old laptops used dynamic speakers like the conical things we remember | 02:52 |
| pupnik | these new things | 02:52 |
| johnx | aaah | 02:52 |
| pupnik | i'm not sure if 'electrostatic' is the right word | 02:53 |
| pupnik | but that's how they get the amazing volume | 02:53 |
| johnx | yeah, they sound pretty darn good for being so small, but my big laptop definitely has better sound | 02:53 |
| pupnik | a dime sized cone speaker could never do it | 02:53 |
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| johnx | then again, my big laptop also has a subwoofer... | 02:54 |
| pupnik | johnx: take a look: best speakers in the world use this tech | 02:54 |
| pupnik | http://vmpseurope.com/RM30.htm | 02:54 |
| johnx | very cool looking | 02:55 |
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| esworp | So, did i see abiword in the repositories for a few days, and now it's gone. | 03:07 |
| esworp | ? | 03:07 |
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| johnx | i dunno | 03:10 |
| johnx | it's in private beta right now I think | 03:10 |
| esworp | That would be a nice addition. I use my n800 as a workplace wokhorse. | 03:11 |
| johnx | I assume you have a bluetooth keyboard? | 03:12 |
| esworp | I beat the hell out of gpe calendar. I think i have over a thousand entries. | 03:12 |
| esworp | Oh hell yah. | 03:12 |
| johnx | that's pretty cool | 03:14 |
| johnx | I think Nokia is probably seeing a lot more creative uses for the tablets as time goes by | 03:14 |
| lcuk_3 | yes, theyv brought back n-gage ;) | 03:15 |
| johnx | woo! | 03:16 |
| johnx | maybe they'll do another midnight launch? | 03:16 |
| esworp | I use it the pim stuff like a maniac. But ukmp is pretty up there on my list, too. | 03:16 |
| pupnik | abiword is a nice idea, but why would i want a word processor? | 03:17 |
| pupnik | ... to put something on *paper*? | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | N-Gage branded NIT would be OK with me. | 03:17 |
| lcuk_3 | paper might be the end result, i couldnt afford to give out 20 n810's at every staff meeting ;) | 03:17 |
| pupnik | i'm buying a pandora GeneralAntilles | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let me know how that goes. | 03:18 |
| johnx | and I'm keeping my Zaurus C1000... | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it's probably a little too emulation focused for my tastes. | 03:18 |
| lcuk_3 | i think pupnik has an itch and wants a game machine to scratch it | 03:19 |
| lcuk_3 | was the 800 better for games (button location) than the 810? | 03:19 |
| pupnik | no i'm buying one cause that project is totally heroic | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/65/68/22846865.jpg | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Needs that instead. | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cheaper, too. | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Duh, lcuk_3. :P | 03:19 |
| esworp | Abiword would be a lifesaver! I end up waiting hours in court, being able to catch up on my writing would be nice. | 03:20 |
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| pupnik | do you print things and mail them esworp ? | 03:20 |
| Tama^2 | I write stuff in ASCII and use asciidoc to convert it to HTML or docbook | 03:21 |
| Tama^2 | ... not for everyone, I know | 03:21 |
| johnx | for simple stuff the "notes" application saves in html | 03:21 |
| johnx | but abiword would be a nice one-stop app for opening a .doc, editing it and sending it to someone | 03:22 |
| esworp | I would /love/ to submit a judicial review or petition in asciii, monospace. They'd totally barf. | 03:22 |
| pupnik | :) | 03:22 |
| johnx | ahaha...I turned in a paper in high school once in 80 character columns | 03:22 |
| lcuk_3 | esworp, whats the most common format now? | 03:22 |
| johnx | I think I actually did cat my-paper.txt > /dev/lp0 | 03:23 |
| pupnik | i am so god damn glad i don't have to deal with those kinds of people | 03:23 |
| esworp | "Your honor, if you'll scroll down to line 235, punch card 35, you'll see the report from the behavioral analyst.'' | 03:25 |
| esworp | They're on /my/ side at my job. It's been alright. | 03:26 |
| johnx | "your honor, if you'll ignore the rendering glitch caused my converting from office 2003 to office 98..." | 03:26 |
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| esworp | Hah, i know. I use Pages moslty, and see folk thrash on thier windows machines. | 03:27 |
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| johnx | so is the new pages as nice as people say? | 03:28 |
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| esworp | I like it, yah. But i recognize it's not for everyone. | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's beautiful. | 03:30 |
| johnx | it's good to see apple finally trying to *do something* about the ms office on Mac situation... | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I don't 100% care for how it functions. | 03:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bastard child of Pagemaker and Word. | 03:31 |
| * johnx shivers | 03:31 | |
| johnx | gah...pagemaker | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've done a LOT on Pagemaker. | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not SO bad. | 03:31 |
| esworp | Pageworder? Wordpager? Pages. | 03:31 |
| johnx | on mac or windows? | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | but s/Pagemaker/generic DTP program/ | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Windows | 03:32 |
| esworp | Wordmaker! | 03:32 |
| johnx | I dunno, it's *pretty bad* | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of my high school's big print projects were done by me. | 03:32 |
| johnx | pagemaker was so damn buggy and crashy | 03:32 |
| johnx | you *looked at it wrong* and it would just disappear | 03:32 |
| smackpotato | any body here know anything about kdrive | 03:32 |
| esworp | I would like to use openoffice on thr mac, but it feels like it should be running on a macplus. | 03:33 |
| johnx | smackpotato, in terms of the code or in terms of usage? | 03:33 |
| smackpotato | code | 03:33 |
| johnx | smackpotato, well, try asking anyways, but no promises... | 03:33 |
| ds3 | Write in windows was pretty good | 03:33 |
| johnx | esworp, I really don't understand what everyone's love of OpenOffice is...it's just not that great and it's massively bloated | 03:34 |
| smackpotato | i was wondering if there is a way to disconect the stylus from the core pointrr | 03:34 |
| johnx | while it's running? | 03:34 |
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| smackpotato | ya that would be the idea | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's free, johnx. ;) | 03:35 |
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| smackpotato | is there a dummy input device i can change to | 03:35 |
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| esworp | Oh oh! I am TOTALLY looking for a gui based file manager that'll let me explore the hidden folders. I expected gpe filemanager too, but alas, no cigar. | 03:39 |
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| ds3 | given some of the semirecent threads on ITT, anyone trying to use the N8x0 to print to a tiny portable printer? | 03:44 |
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| smackpotato | basicly what id want to,do is move a cursor around without my finger on top of it | 03:47 |
| johnx | move it from an external device or from software? | 03:47 |
| esworp | I secretly hate that the thumbboard is hard to invoke sometimes | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just use the d-pad. | 03:48 |
| smackpotato | i hate moving back and vorth from stylus to thumb | 03:49 |
| smackpotato | damn im lazy | 03:49 |
| smackpotato | ya the dpad is ok | 03:49 |
| lcuk_3 | finger not good enough or are programs still designed too small? | 03:49 |
| esworp | D-pad in gpe calendar is the 'cancel' button. | 03:49 |
| * lcuk_3 hates aiming for a pinpoint with a finger device | 03:49 | |
| pupnik | does somebody besides me want to be a hero and port a gp2x snes emulator to the tablets? | 03:50 |
| johnx | depending on how often you want to move the cursor something like xdotool might work... | 03:50 |
| fysa | how modular is the cpu core? | 03:50 |
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| smackpotato | thanks johnx | 03:51 |
| pupnik | fysa: i don't want to say anything incorrect, but porting from gp2x is basically front-end stuff, not core stuff | 03:51 |
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| fysa | would it be easier to move parts of the core into a working frontend? | 03:52 |
| pupnik | well ... that's what i tried doing | 03:52 |
| pupnik | i took snes9x and started copying over the gp2x optimized core stuff | 03:53 |
| pupnik | and it kindn of blew up in my face | 03:53 |
| fysa | even just a few bits would help immensely | 03:53 |
| pupnik | so .. you can grab my stuff, if it might help | 03:53 |
| fysa | ah | 03:53 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/DrPocketSnes_Nokia_The_Horror.tgz | 03:54 |
| fysa | would compiling directly on a real processor give any performance advantage? | 03:54 |
| pupnik | no | 03:54 |
| fysa | i though i heard that somewhere and it never quite made sense. | 03:55 |
| pupnik | either that or take over some of my easier projects | 03:56 |
| pupnik | 'penguin command' is an 'easy' one to fix-up | 03:56 |
| pupnik | kobo deluxe also isn't too hard | 03:56 |
| pupnik | technoballz needs attention | 03:57 |
| pupnik | and (sob) ur-quan masters too, but i'm too far advanced to hand that over | 03:57 |
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| pupnik | mtpaint needs hildonization | 03:58 |
| pupnik | UAE needs scaling, pixel doubling, mouse tweaks | 03:58 |
| pupnik | C64 - Frodo needs a finished sdl UI, and/or a game launcher front-end | 03:59 |
| pupnik | DGEN could use an alignment fix or two | 03:59 |
| pupnik | FreeSCI needs optimization for N770 | 03:59 |
| pupnik | Xu4 needs sdl keyboard | 03:59 |
| pupnik | Nuvie has too many problems to list | 03:59 |
| pupnik | Exult i'm working on right now | 03:59 |
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| pupnik | Pentagram needs a dedicated porter/tweaker | 04:00 |
| pupnik | Xbak needs a core developer | 04:00 |
| pupnik | TOME needs a sdl keyboard and gtk or sdl rework | 04:00 |
| pupnik | ... ... | 04:00 |
| pupnik | Netrek deserves a port that works well, i made progress on it | 04:01 |
| pupnik | Secret Maryo chronicles needs speed tweaks and fixes from the newer opengl versions applied to the SDL version | 04:01 |
| esworp | I cant even do my laundry, a programming job is a little over my head. | 04:01 |
| pupnik | Pingus.. well that just needs packaging | 04:02 |
| pupnik | Worms of Prey needs a bunch of work | 04:02 |
| pupnik | Wormux needs a bunch of work | 04:02 |
| pupnik | TouchMe Games needs a gtk/hildon guy to rescale the game to 800x480 | 04:02 |
| pupnik | The Mana World needs a networking fix for 770 and packaging work | 04:02 |
| pupnik | Nazghul i'm working on right now | 04:02 |
| esworp | Cave Story would be a cool one, too. | 04:03 |
| pupnik | Fish Fillets, i don't even have a clue | 04:03 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/software | 04:03 |
| johnx | pupnik, maybe you should actually post something to the dev section of internettablettalk asking for help? | 04:03 |
| pupnik | nah i post too much to ITT as it is | 04:04 |
| pupnik | but kudos to jott and solmuhaha the latest guys to jump-in to help | 04:05 |
| pupnik | (exult, dosbox and jagged alliance 2) | 04:05 |
| pupnik | and also pipeline | 04:06 |
| pupnik | then i've got another project i've promised to release 2 months after getting the n810 | 04:09 |
| pupnik | then another project i can't say ANYTHING about | 04:09 |
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| esworp | http://home.cfl.rr.com/genecash/nokia/ | 04:31 |
| esworp | Check the poor guy's bitch sesh about os2008 near the bottom. | 04:32 |
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| pupnik | is he a person who doesn't like freedom? | 04:34 |
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| pupnik | i.e. an ape in a cage who throws his fecal matter at the free humans walking outside of his cage? | 04:34 |
| johnx | pupnik, what? | 04:34 |
| pupnik | a lot of people defend their slavery | 04:35 |
| johnx | he ran into problems with OS2008 and so he switched back to OS2007 | 04:35 |
| pupnik | ho | 04:35 |
| pupnik | oh | 04:35 |
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| esworp | He must not be remebering the hellish heap memory issues of the newton, or rampant crashes on the palm. | 04:35 |
| johnx | I've actually been looking at some of those apps he wrote and thinking about trying to get them working on OS2008 | 04:36 |
| johnx | they look really nice | 04:36 |
| pupnik | you should try exult in a few days | 04:36 |
| esworp | That's the tragedy, eh? | 04:36 |
| pupnik | it's getting close to fun as hell | 04:36 |
| esworp | Exhult? | 04:37 |
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| esworp | Er exult. | 04:37 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Exult_Ultima_VII_Nokia_770_02.jpg | 04:37 |
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| esworp | Oh. Hell yah. | 04:38 |
| johnx | that looks great! | 04:38 |
| johnx | was there much of a trick to getting it running 800x480 instead of 640x480? | 04:38 |
| pupnik | no | 04:39 |
| pupnik | that's easy | 04:39 |
| pupnik | thanks to the awesome exult devs | 04:39 |
| acydlord | does anyone know if the palm centro works with bluetooth DUN on the n810 | 04:41 |
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| esworp | Has anyone ever tried to make a lefty-friendly change to our device? | 04:58 |
| johnx | I don't think anyone has tried...just asked if other people have tried :) | 04:59 |
| esworp | My only real gripe. :\ | 04:59 |
| Navi | Heh | 04:59 |
| Navi | What's some of the things that bug you? | 05:00 |
| esworp | The builtin email app sucks. | 05:02 |
| esworp | There's no good harrd case for the unit. | 05:03 |
| johnx | esworp, for email you should really use modest... | 05:03 |
| Navi | I ment, for lefties. | 05:03 |
| johnx | ah | 05:03 |
| esworp | Well. I like modest, but it isn't integrated. | 05:03 |
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| johnx | it can autocheck mail which is all I really care about | 05:04 |
| johnx | it will be so nice when they finally kill off the old email app and we can all just forget about it... | 05:04 |
| Navi | Using built-in stuff always bothers me | 05:04 |
| esworp | For lefties: when stylus texting, the suggested words show up where i would normally hit the space bar. | 05:04 |
| esworp | Scroll bars should be able to hop over, as should the side menu thingy | 05:05 |
| esworp | Scrolling a page or doc stinks, since my hand is in the way. | 05:06 |
| johnx | the sidebar with the icon-menus might be possible to swtich with some amount of work | 05:06 |
| johnx | I don't see how to do scroll bars | 05:06 |
| acydlord | a left handed kernel would be nice lol | 05:06 |
| * johnx actually rarely uses a stylus | 05:06 | |
| esworp | Heh. | 05:07 |
| Navi | If I had one, I honestly doubt I'd use a stylus too | 05:07 |
| johnx | so I end up using it in an 'ambidextrous' style where whatever thumb is closest gets to type/click | 05:07 |
| johnx | no stylus here either :) | 05:07 |
| Navi | I never use it for mah DS, too lazy. | 05:07 |
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| esworp | The gpe stuff seems to expect a stylus. | 05:09 |
| johnx | yeah | 05:09 |
| johnx | I admit that I don't use it much | 05:09 |
| johnx | (all the GPE stuff came from devices where stylus was pretty much required) | 05:09 |
| esworp | Sure. And i forgive them. | 05:10 |
| smackpotato | i use the stylus i know any guy who cant preform with his fingers is in trouble but thats the way it goes | 05:11 |
| johnx | heh | 05:11 |
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| |R | anyone having trouble with mnotify (on n800) and gmail notifier (normal pc firefox) lately? | 06:15 |
| |R | i just upgraded gmail notifier and got my login to work again but both failed at the same time and dist-upgrade doesn't show a fix for mnotify | 06:16 |
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| EruditeHermit | johnx: hey, do you have openoffice working on your debian port? | 06:55 |
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| hfwilke | is there a notetaking applet for os2008? | 07:28 |
| Tama^2 | notes or meamopad+ | 07:28 |
| hfwilke | either will live on the desktop? | 07:28 |
| Tama^2 | neither | 07:29 |
| hfwilke | oh | 07:29 |
| hfwilke | hoping for something that would have a desktop applet | 07:30 |
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| K-Fox | hi | 08:18 |
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| * tin_ tries to figure out how an n810 can have 1.5g of files on /media/mmc2 but still have 1.9G out of 1.9G free | 09:05 | |
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| tin_ | Free cluster summary wrong (999596 vs. really 192100) | 10:12 |
| tin_ | slight difference there | 10:12 |
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| X-Fade | Morning all. | 10:25 |
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| douthat | how do you get the ip address on an n800 (with os 2008. I also have xterm installed. I tried ifconfig, but that doesn't exist) | 10:26 |
| Proteous | ipconfig | 10:26 |
| douthat | also not there | 10:27 |
| X-Fade | douthat: menu -> settings -> connection manager | 10:27 |
| b0unc3 | douthat: /sbin/ifconfig | 10:27 |
| X-Fade | douthat: Then open the menu in connection manager, internet connection -> IP address | 10:28 |
| douthat | it only says WLAN, signal strench, "connected" received, sent duration | 10:28 |
| douthat | b0unc3: X-Fade: thanks :) | 10:28 |
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| * tin_ files bug #2906 | 11:11 | |
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| tin_ | heh | 11:13 |
| timely | tin_: cute | 11:14 |
| * timely would have thought they'd have fixed those problems before ship | 11:14 | |
| * timely sighs | 11:14 | |
| timely | tin_: is this the difference between 2000MB and 2048MB? :) | 11:15 |
| timely | that'd be really amusing :) | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | timely: Hmm it doesn't look like that can be fixed with a firmware upgrade.. | 11:15 |
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| tin_ | timely: i don't think it's quite that neat | 11:15 |
| timely | tin_: are you sure? | 11:16 |
| timely | it seems fairly close | 11:16 |
| timely | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%284013848-3932160%29%2F2%2F1000&btnG=Search | 11:16 |
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| X-Fade | tin_: I think you can fix it with fdisk. But I agree that it is pretty bad.. | 11:16 |
| hrw | morning | 11:16 |
| timely | 40 ~ 48 | 11:16 |
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| X-Fade | 4014079 * 512 == 2055208448 !== Disk /dev/sda: 2013 MB, 2013265920 bytes | 11:19 |
| tin_ | 4194304 512-byte blocks would be exactly 4GB in the (1024*1024) sense | 11:20 |
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| * timely wonders what the other 225 are doing :) | 11:22 | |
| hrw | ;D | 11:23 |
| timely | err | 11:23 |
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| timely | 180,225 | 11:24 |
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| X-Fade | I wouldn't mind finding out that they have added a 16GB flash instead if 2GB ;) But I guess that will be a dream.. | 11:26 |
| timely | they don't seem to have more than 8gb flashes around | 11:27 |
| timely | see n81 8gb, n95 8gb, n810 8gb, ... | 11:27 |
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| timely | but it's a fairly silly gimmic imo | 11:27 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, seen those too.. | 11:27 |
| timely | you've seen that last one? :) | 11:27 |
| X-Fade | timely: Can't comment on that.. | 11:28 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:28 |
| timely | hi | 11:28 |
| * timely just really sees no reason for nokia to try to get into the memory card business | 11:29 | |
| hrw | 8gb would be nice indeed | 11:29 |
| * timely disagrees | 11:29 | |
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| timely | arg | 11:29 |
| hrw | timely: why? | 11:29 |
| X-Fade | Although 2 removable cards would be a lot better :) | 11:29 |
| timely | hrw: because nokia gave me an n81 8gb | 11:29 |
| hrw | timely: and? | 11:29 |
| timely | and i added 2.5g of map data in a couple of hours, and then 4gb of songs overnight | 11:30 |
| timely | and then my phone was full | 11:30 |
| timely | at which point, i can no longer do anything | 11:30 |
| timely | no upgrade path | 11:30 |
| timely | otoh, if i had an n81 w/ a slot | 11:30 |
| hrw | timely: 8gb instead of 2gb would be nice anyway | 11:30 |
| timely | i could later *buy* a 16gb micro sd card | 11:30 |
| hrw | sure | 11:30 |
| timely | hrw: maybe, i can't comment on that, but feel free to ask nokian's in 2009 how they feel about that | 11:31 |
| hrw | ;D | 11:31 |
| * timely suspects they'll agree that 8gb really isn't worth it | 11:31 | |
| hrw | timely: many of them will change phone in 2009 | 11:32 |
| timely | keep in mind that you can't install software onto the 2gb partition | 11:32 |
| X-Fade | Not without some hacks.. | 11:33 |
| timely | now, it's true, someone could repartition a card so it had an ext2 volume | 11:33 |
| timely | but it still wouldn't help | 11:33 |
| timely | because a package will naturally install to directories under the standard paths | 11:33 |
| hrw | timely: format card into ext2/ext3 and symlink /usr/ to it | 11:34 |
| timely | and trying to relocate things would be painful | 11:34 |
| wumpus | using some symbolic links etc you could, I guess | 11:34 |
| timely | yes, symlinks aren't impossible | 11:34 |
| timely | but there are all sorts of hazards | 11:34 |
| wumpus | it's painful that's true | 11:34 |
| timely | can you even safely move /usr while the device is running? | 11:34 |
| wumpus | well not entire usr | 11:34 |
| * timely would bet it would die a very unhappy and instant death | 11:34 | |
| wumpus | I'd suggest only moving and symlinking the files of the package | 11:35 |
| wumpus | not the entire usr :') | 11:35 |
| wumpus | it probably won't even boot anymore then | 11:35 |
| timely | wumpus: how, a global preinstall hook that creates symlinks into /media/native1/usr/package_name/lib ? | 11:35 |
| wumpus | timeless: sounds nice | 11:35 |
| timely | *before* the install process runs | 11:35 |
| * timely pondersd | 11:35 | |
| timely | it might not be entirely impossible | 11:36 |
| hrw | or switch to boot from mmc | 11:36 |
| timely | but boy, that's scary | 11:36 |
| wumpus | well I'd just do it after | 11:36 |
| timely | wumpus: try that w/a 1/4gb app :) | 11:36 |
| timely | you're assuming that it's possible to make it install | 11:36 |
| timely | otoh, that'd probably fail anyway | 11:36 |
| timely | because i'd expect apt-* to say "hrm, i don't think there's enough space here" | 11:37 |
| timely | because, how would it know that things would be diverted | 11:37 |
| wumpus | well, apt stuff is open source | 11:37 |
| timely | sure | 11:37 |
| wumpus | so I guess you could just patch it to install to your alternative path | 11:37 |
| timely | so is hildon-application-manager | 11:37 |
| wumpus | and even make the symlinks itself | 11:37 |
| timely | have fun :) | 11:38 |
| * timely prefers QNX's approach | 11:38 | |
| hrw | I wonder why they did not added that 2GB as normal flash | 11:38 |
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| timely | packages are delivered as joinable file systems | 11:38 |
| wumpus | well I never felt the need to install such big apps on the device | 11:38 |
| wumpus | when I start to need, I might consider it | 11:38 |
| timely | hrw: the goal is to support plugging into windows boxes | 11:39 |
| wumpus | the biggest packages I've seen are some games, but those usually have configurable paths for the data files | 11:39 |
| hrw | that 256M flash comes from cpu core so thats why they use it | 11:39 |
| hrw | timely: many of nokia goals are insane ;D | 11:39 |
| timely | wumpus: how big are eclipse and openoffice? :) | 11:39 |
| timely | hrw: no comment | 11:39 |
| wumpus | eclipse haha, you'd first have to install java too | 11:40 |
| timely | actually | 11:40 |
| * timely ponders | 11:40 | |
| hrw | timely: I am very dissapointed about lack of any i18n support | 11:40 |
| timely | java might not need -x | 11:40 |
| timely | hrw: eh? | 11:40 |
| timely | in what? | 11:40 |
| timely | the browser supports it if you install fonts | 11:40 |
| wumpus | but who the hell would want to run eclipse on it | 11:40 |
| wumpus | or openoffice for that matter | 11:40 |
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| wumpus | if you start it it'd probably finished initializing by next week :) | 11:41 |
| timely | hey, i remember people who talked about bsd's where the install process took weeks | 11:41 |
| hrw | timely: try to install own hardware keyboard layout | 11:41 |
| hrw | timely: or virtual keyboard | 11:41 |
| timely | hrw: istr someone had a hebrew layout for the device | 11:42 |
| hrw | timely: which replace one of available ones | 11:42 |
| timely | > Copy the file he_IL.vkb from http://www.arava.co.il/matan/770/heb/he_IL.vkb to /usr/share/keyboards. Then he_IL is added to the list of available languages for the keyboard. | 11:42 |
| timely | hrw: really? | 11:42 |
| * timely eyes a Nokia vista logo | 11:43 | |
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| timely | (my 770 has an interesting splash screen) | 11:43 |
| hrw | ok, then maybe virtual ones are better | 11:43 |
| timely | i haven't looked at the hardware layouts | 11:44 |
| timely | i'm fairly certain i really don't want to | 11:44 |
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| hrw | timely: you live in .fi so you have the luck to be supported | 11:45 |
| timely | um | 11:45 |
| * timely works for nokia | 11:45 | |
| * timely isn't sure about considering .fi as a lucky thing | 11:46 | |
| hrw | timely: dont tell that you work on control panel i18n parts | 11:46 |
| timely | fwiw, it took nokia longer to get n810s for its employees than it did to get them to 95% of the 500 maemo awardies | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | timely: Will visit .fi next week ;) | 11:46 |
| jku | timely: he means it. don't tell him that :) | 11:47 |
| hrw | timely: I decided to not comment maemo dev program | 11:47 |
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| timely | hrw: i work on browser, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ | 11:48 |
| timely | jku: ? | 11:48 |
| jku | timely, hrw has been a bit grumpy about the i18n situation on maemo... | 11:49 |
| hrw | it basically suxx | 11:49 |
| timely | hrw: it could be worse | 11:50 |
| hrw | timely: lack of i18n would be better | 11:50 |
| timely | you could look at how the IMEs interact w/ the browser | 11:50 |
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| timely | now, that's a crime | 11:50 |
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| hrw | ? | 11:52 |
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| timely | hrw: ever used japanese IMEs w/ firefox | 11:52 |
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| timely | i was using one yesterday, i think i was in katakana input mode | 11:53 |
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| timely | basically in this mode, you can type a couple of letters before a character is sent to an application | 11:53 |
| maddler | hi all! | 11:53 |
| timely | and it basically just works in firefox | 11:54 |
| timely | but from my understanding of what we've done | 11:54 |
| timely | instead of having the IMEs that maemo uses (esp the ones that have completion) use this feature | 11:54 |
| |tbb| | morning | 11:54 |
| timely | we collect "keypresses" from them, and try to "inject" them into places | 11:54 |
| timely | based on where we think they can go | 11:54 |
| timely | if we get the logic wrong, you can't type at all, into e.g., gmail | 11:54 |
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| hrw | timely: to tell the true I do not care too much how it is done if it works | 11:56 |
| hrw | timely: thats why Polish hardware keyboard layout will replace Finnish one | 11:56 |
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| AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning | 12:01 |
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| timely | hrw: well, "it doesn't work" | 12:06 |
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| hahlo | how would you guys wipe your sd-cards? just little tha card doesn't broke but enough that not every home undele return files? | 12:08 |
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| pupnik_ | hahlo: just write junk data to the card | 12:11 |
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| pupnik_ | cat /dev/zero > the card's device | 12:11 |
| hahlo | pupnik_: that easier than full wipe? | 12:12 |
| pupnik_ | i don't understand | 12:12 |
| hahlo | wipe is program | 12:12 |
| tin_ | with some forethought, all you have to do is delete your encryption key... | 12:13 |
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| timely | pupnik_: won't that fail for the case where sectors are rewritten/moved? | 12:13 |
| hahlo | you do wipe -kq /dev/sdaX | 12:13 |
| pupnik_ | timely: possibly yes if you have multiple partitions | 12:14 |
| pupnik_ | hahlo: well, i don't think a hard disk wiping program makes sense for flash memory | 12:14 |
| * timely suggests an em pulse or acid | 12:15 | |
| timely | acid is probably cheaper | 12:15 |
| hahlo | yeah that I ment | 12:15 |
| tin_ | pupnik: wear leveling makes it nearly impossible to wipe a flash device | 12:15 |
| hahlo | too hard | 12:15 |
| johnx | firecracker is cheapest | 12:15 |
| j0tt | chewing and digesting is even cheaper (it may even saves you one meal) | 12:18 |
| timely | is the gold safe? | 12:19 |
| johnx | j0tt, ah, you're here. Quick question: Do you remember what you had to copy over from ITOS to get the buttons working in X? I must be being dense about this or something, but I still can't figure it out... | 12:20 |
| j0tt | johnx: erm.. did not work out a proper solution. it helped to restart dbus and hal. | 12:21 |
| johnx | but you said something about dbus and xkb? | 12:21 |
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| Romeus | hello | 12:23 |
| j0tt | erm.. yeah you need the xkbdata deb from os2008 | 12:23 |
| j0tt | and.. | 12:23 |
| johnx | hi Romeus | 12:23 |
| Romeus | so I managed to get my Saitek P880 gamepad working with gngeo and snes9x :) | 12:23 |
| Romeus | no need for a hub either which is nice :) | 12:24 |
| Romeus | is anybody working on DrPocketSNES or picodrive (cyclone)? if so what's the status? | 12:24 |
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| j0tt | johnx: i guess /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-xkb.fdi | 12:25 |
| johnx | ah! great | 12:25 |
| j0tt | (afair there is a *keyboard.fdi in the default debian hal that has a similar rule so i guess this has to be removed) | 12:26 |
| j0tt | or extended by the stuff in there | 12:26 |
| j0tt | <match key="info.product" string="LM8323 keypad"> | 12:26 |
| j0tt | basically this match i guess | 12:26 |
| Romeus | anyway to get gngeo to play completely full screen (without the screen buttons)? | 12:26 |
| johnx | I think it just tricked me because it was called vkb... | 12:26 |
| j0tt | ah i needed to call setxkbmap after restarting hal.. ..but i guess this are all clear pieces of the puzzle ;) | 12:27 |
| johnx | j0tt, any clue helps :) | 12:28 |
| j0tt | (for getting the correct layout eg. Fn keys working but that only applies to N810) | 12:28 |
| j0tt | still not clear why the keyboard seems to be registered so late (as the restart if hal/dbus helped) | 12:29 |
| j0tt | of | 12:29 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:42 |
| johnx | mornin' | 12:42 |
| Romeus | g'morning | 12:42 |
| lardman | lots of people awake today :) | 12:42 |
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| wwp | anyone using qt4/qmake in maemo-sdk vmware? | 13:35 |
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| lardman | hrw: the maemo https repo is complaining when bitbake tries to download a file for fonctconfig, is it possible to add an extra command to the wget (or whatever it is) command that bitbake uses? | 13:38 |
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| hrw | lardman: broken ssl certificate one? | 13:39 |
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| hrw | lardman: redefine FETCHCOMMAND_wget and RESUMECOMMAND_wget in local.conf (take original ones from bitbake.conf) | 13:40 |
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| lardman | hrw: no it says something about if you want anonymous downloads to add some switch to the command | 13:50 |
| lardman | hrw: thanks I'll take a look at those | 13:50 |
| hrw | lardman: you mean svn repos? | 13:51 |
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| lardman | hrw: no it's an https download | 14:00 |
| lardman | http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/fontconfig/fontconfig_2.4.1.bb | 14:01 |
| lardman | SRC_URI += "https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/fontconfig/device_symbols.h" | 14:01 |
| lardman | well there's something svn in there, but the download isn't done using svn | 14:01 |
| lardman | or is it? | 14:01 |
| hrw | lardman: redefine FETCHCOMMAND_wget and RESUMECOMMAND_wget in local.conf (take original ones from bitbake.conf) then | 14:02 |
| hrw | lardman: or fetch by hand and put in dl_dir | 14:02 |
| lardman | ok, will do (I just downloaded and created the .md5 file for the time being) | 14:02 |
| lardman | ah yes | 14:02 |
| hrw | ~lart maemo.org for using crap SSL certificate | 14:02 |
| * infobot puts maemo.org through a wood chipper for using crap SSL certificate | 14:02 | |
| lardman | :) | 14:02 |
| inz | ~lart lazy people for not making up good punishments themselves | 14:04 |
| * infobot send killer squirrels to attack lazy people for not making up good punishments themselves | 14:04 | |
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| hrw | ~lart maemo for crappy i18n support | 14:08 |
| * infobot says "boot to the head" and knocks maemo over for crappy i18n support | 14:08 | |
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| hrw | ~botsnack | 14:08 |
| infobot | :), hrw | 14:08 |
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| kpel | hi all | 14:10 |
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| lardman | jku: that itt discussion would be much easier online | 14:20 |
| jku | lardman, oh yeah | 14:21 |
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| lardman | I wonder if my iBlue GPS produces almanac data... | 14:24 |
| lardman | then we could compare that data with the contents of nvd_data | 14:25 |
| lardman | no, it appears not | 14:26 |
| jku | I believe my Nokia LD-3W does not -- not surprising as it's not useful for 99.999% of users | 14:27 |
| lardman | I have a serial gps from a long while back, trying to remember the name, that had lots of config options iirc | 14:28 |
| lardman | nice to be 0.001% :) | 14:28 |
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| lardman | hmm, haicom 203 sounds familiar | 14:33 |
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| lardman | nope, it doesn't do it either :( | 14:36 |
| lardman | but even if the almanac doesn't come out as a standard NMEA sentance, it could be triggered by one of the proprietary commands | 14:38 |
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| lardman | That appears to be the case for this Garmin: http://www8.garmin.com/support/pdf/NMEA_0183.pdf | 14:39 |
| lardman | p7 | 14:39 |
| michele_ | jku: regarding your GPS fix, I don't know if this is of any use, but there's one thing that for sure is working differently | 14:41 |
| michele_ | jku: with your fix, the sky map in maemo mapper gps details showed the last known satellites positions correctly | 14:42 |
| michele_ | with the original version, it does not, it's blank every time | 14:42 |
| michele_ | until it got the fix | 14:43 |
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| lardman | the gps_last_fixed_position file (is that name right) contains the fix information that is displayed, it may also contain the satellite info | 14:43 |
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| lardman | is this file written by gpsd? | 14:45 |
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| jku | lardman, that's what Jukka R said | 14:47 |
| jku | but that file is not fed to the chip | 14:47 |
| lardman | It's basically one of the gpsd structures written to disk I believe | 14:48 |
| jku | right, and available from liblocation IIRC. | 14:48 |
| lardman | he did say that the nvd_data file contains the almanac/ephemeris though | 14:48 |
| lardman | or perhaps didn't say, hinted | 14:48 |
| lardman | did you see my last post? I imagine that the almanac data is constantly updated to produce a smaller set of ephemeris alterations, but don't know | 14:49 |
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| jku | possible | 14:50 |
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| GnutoN810 | hi | 14:54 |
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| lardman | interesting technical details: http://www.gmat.unsw.edu.au/snap/gps/gps_survey/principles_gps.htm | 14:57 |
| lardman | ah ha, historical almanac data: http://www.arinc.com/gps/gpshistory/ looks like it changes from day to day | 15:01 |
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| pupnik | i feel bad for the miscommuications with the nokia stores | 15:27 |
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| hrw | pupnik: nokia stores... argh | 15:28 |
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| pupnik | apparently they charged 0 euro in france and germany but meant to charge 99 euro | 15:28 |
| pupnik | but that's not my mistake | 15:28 |
| hrw | people which have no idea which nokia products exists | 15:28 |
| hrw | and add to that fragmentation of market done by nokia | 15:29 |
| hrw | 'we do not plan to sell tablets in your country' | 15:29 |
| hrw | etc | 15:29 |
| pupnik | :/ | 15:29 |
| pupnik | which country hrw? | 15:29 |
| hrw | Poland | 15:30 |
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| Navi | Gah, I get Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! when I run scratchbox :( | 15:41 |
| inz | Navi, sudo sh -c 'echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled' | 15:42 |
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| Navi | Works :D | 15:43 |
| * Navi praises inz | 15:43 | |
| hrw | ~curse n810 flas method | 15:44 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, n810 flas method ! | 15:44 |
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| johnx | hrw, what's wrong with the method for flashing the N810? | 15:44 |
| johnx | their is an "onboard" flasher as well IIRC, | 15:45 |
| hrw | johnx: it is "plug usb, poweroff, hold home, connect power" - right? | 15:45 |
| johnx | right, but I don't think you actually need to hold home these days | 15:45 |
| michele_ | and you don't need to connect power either, I think | 15:45 |
| johnx | yes, that too | 15:46 |
| hrw | and you do not get any information that device reponds | 15:46 |
| johnx | ?? | 15:46 |
| johnx | flasher prints out diagnostics and progress | 15:47 |
| jku | hrw, what do you mean? | 15:47 |
| hrw | at least my n810 stays black in such situation or I am doing something wrong | 15:47 |
| jku | ahh, on the device. You may be right | 15:47 |
| johnx | The N810 should turn on and show the "USB" symbol in the upper right corner of the screen | 15:47 |
| johnx | at least my N800 does | 15:47 |
| hrw | johnx: I know - I flashed it twice | 15:47 |
| johnx | and it didn't show anything?! | 15:48 |
| johnx | that's pretty weird | 15:48 |
| hrw | but my n810 also likes to not power on after power off and like to not show 'charging' when is off and charger is connected | 15:48 |
| lardman|home | hrw: you got power connected? | 15:48 |
| hrw | lardman|home: yes | 15:48 |
| lardman|home | hmm, sounds not too good | 15:49 |
| hrw | now I took battery off, wait, inserted, connected power and wait until it react with 'charging' info | 15:49 |
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| hrw | lardman|home: (not too good)^2 due to fact that tablets are not supported here (Poland) | 15:49 |
| harobed | hi, are there ekiga like on maemo ? | 15:49 |
| harobed | I've n800 with 2007 OS | 15:49 |
| lardman|home | I would go with: unplug power (so that is really does switch off); switch off; plug usb; plug power; hey presto | 15:49 |
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| lardman|home | hrw: is your battery very low? | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | I had to patch the flasher to get it to work on Ubunty Feisty/Hardy.. | 15:50 |
| inz | harobed, the built in messaging system supports SIP | 15:50 |
| inz | harobed, err, on 2007 you need the rtcom update to get SIP support | 15:51 |
| Navi | Is sb-menu supposed to look like it hangs when I run it? | 15:52 |
| hrw | lardman|home: it was charging for quite long time so should not be | 15:52 |
| harobed | how can I press number key ? | 15:52 |
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| harobed | rtcom ? ok | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Holding home was actually never a requirement of the flashing process. | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It may just make the timing a little easier. | 15:52 |
| hrw | N810: Now plug in the charger to switch on the N810 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-button | 15:53 |
| hrw | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ | 15:53 |
| hrw | so let someone edit that page to make it clear | 15:53 |
| lardman|home | GeneralAntilles: You sure; I thought that if the device had not actually switched off (kernel running due to charging) that pressing the home key was required to get the kernel to restart | 15:53 |
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| inz | harobed, the 2007 information doesn't seem to be on the webpage (http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org) anymore | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, if you follow the flashing instructions and unplug it and turn it off. ;) | 15:53 |
| inz | harobed, this is probably the deb you need to install: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/deb/osso-rtcom-installer_0.2_armel.deb | 15:54 |
| harobed | how can I backup all data of my n800 before upgrade it to OS2008 ? | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then it's, start flasher, plug in USB, turn on. | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | With the Backup/Restore tool. | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | But restoring backed up settings from OS2007 can have ill effects. | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly to do with Opera -> MicroB | 15:54 |
| hrw | looks like it will have to wait until I go to UK next time | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | hrw, holding home isn't a bad step | 15:55 |
| harobed | Backup/Restore tool can do backup to usb storage ? (linux) | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's just not really a necessary one. | 15:55 |
| hrw | as Polish official Nokia service at least once refused to repair n800 | 15:55 |
| lardman|home | hrw: Someone's fiddled with the dbus urls | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hardly see how holding one extra button could be construed as something to split hairs over. | 15:55 |
| hrw | lardman|home: report bug? | 15:56 |
| lardman|home | hrw: will do | 15:56 |
| inz | harobed, the backup tool does backup onto a memory card | 15:56 |
| hrw | lardman|home: best will be with patch of course ;D | 15:56 |
| lardman|home | yeah | 15:56 |
| lardman|home | :) | 15:56 |
| hrw | one more question then | 15:58 |
| hrw | how much time should n810 spend between 'put battery back, put cover, plug charger' and 'give info on screen that charging is in progress'? | 15:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | 30 seconds-ish? | 15:59 |
| lardman|home | anything up to ~10s I'd say | 15:59 |
| lardman|home | 30s sounds ok too | 15:59 |
| hrw | what would you say on 3 minutes and nothing? | 15:59 |
| lardman|home | probably unprintable | 16:00 |
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| lardman|home | will it boot? | 16:00 |
| johnx | sounds like some of the other power problems people have been having... | 16:00 |
| hrw | lardman|home: no reaction to power key | 16:00 |
| |tbb| | lardman, is it you with the gpsfix which is on maemo.org | 16:00 |
| lardman|home | |tbb|: no | 16:01 |
| lardman|home | |tbb|: you got an url for that? | 16:01 |
| lardman|home | hrw: doesn't sound too good | 16:01 |
| hrw | johnx: bug 2673 one? | 16:01 |
| hrw | lardman|home: I know | 16:01 |
| * johnx hasn't had that problem, but looks anyways | 16:01 | |
| hrw | lardman|home: all works ok until device is off | 16:01 |
| hrw | lardman|home: then it can take hours to get it on | 16:02 |
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| hrw | lardman|home: my few years old Zaurus with nearly dead battery works better | 16:02 |
| harobed | to install rtcomm, I need evolution-data-server (=1.4.2.1.r554-3) | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | hrw: It seems that that is a timing error problem in the bootloader.. | 16:03 |
| johnx | hrw, heck my collie works better. :) | 16:03 |
| harobed | where can I get it ? | 16:03 |
| lardman|home | hrw: There's talk of this on ITT, though I've not looked at it at all | 16:04 |
| lardman|home | hrw: where was the device from? which country? | 16:04 |
| hrw | lardman|home: UK | 16:04 |
| johnx | hrw, yes, that bug is the one I was thinking of and a thread on ITT that the bug references | 16:04 |
| hrw | hardware version 0805 or 0806 | 16:04 |
| lardman|home | hrw: well if you decide to get Nokia to look at it I'm happy to be the intermediary | 16:05 |
| K-Fox | tell me how to set usbnetworking . n800 <--->winxp my os is maemo 2008 | 16:05 |
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| K-Fox | i am trying to connect for three day | 16:06 |
| |tbb| | lardman: http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/i-failed/ | 16:06 |
| lardman|home | hmm, mine's build 0801 | 16:06 |
| K-Fox | i dont know it at all...... | 16:07 |
| lardman|home | |tbb|: that's jku | 16:07 |
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| |tbb| | will this fix help for anything | 16:07 |
| lardman|home | |tbb|: the leap year fix, but not the lock times | 16:08 |
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| lardman|home | hrw: patch to bug tracker or mailing list? | 16:09 |
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| hrw | bugtracker | 16:10 |
| lardman|home | k | 16:10 |
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| hrw | hi Rodrigo | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | I have a hardware revision 0805 and no power problems. | 16:12 |
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| lardman|home | yet.... :) | 16:15 |
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| X-Fade | Hehe ;) At least I know it is a race condition ;) | 16:15 |
| lardman|home | Anyone fancy hosting an EO built repo? | 16:15 |
| lardman|home | OE even | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | You can always put the device in the freezer to fix it.. | 16:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | This cracks me up: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=139397&postcount=10 | 16:16 |
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| * johnx installs xscreensaver on his tablet | 16:20 | |
| * mwaldron looked at the iTouch. Looked at the 810. My 810 arrives tomorrow. | 16:21 | |
| * lardman|home wonders if the battery will last 30mins :) | 16:21 | |
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| inz | johnx, now you can drain your battery watchin pertty savers! | 16:22 |
| johnx | I'll just have it run on ac only | 16:22 |
| johnx | should be possible to get that info out of dbus without too much of a fight | 16:22 |
| jku | we need a seti@home client | 16:23 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 16:23 |
| johnx | I ran distributed.net on both my zauruses for a while | 16:23 |
| mwaldron | heh | 16:23 |
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| hrw | I wonder how many n8x0 will not be able to be flashed with fixed images | 16:24 |
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| lardman|home | anyone out there who has just done, or can do a quick gps fix? | 16:26 |
| lardman|home | on an n810 that is | 16:26 |
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| ol_schoola | morning/g'day all, what's the easy way to keep contacts synced with Thunderbird addressbook? n800 with os2008, stock contacts at the mo but will tru gpe if easy | 16:26 |
| lardman|home | I'd like to compare the nvd_data files created at the same time but different locations | 16:26 |
| hrw | lardman|home: when mine will power I can put it near window to get fix | 16:27 |
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| lardman|home | hrw: the battery on mine will probably go flat before it gets a fix ;D | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | lardman|home: I'll start now :) | 16:27 |
| lardman|home | X-Fade: thanks, where are you? | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | lardman|home: NL | 16:27 |
| lardman|home | X-Fade: cool, just about far enough away from the UK | 16:27 |
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| lardman|home | though it would be interesting to get a fix from someone else in the UK who's seeing the same satellites | 16:28 |
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| X-Fade | lardman|home: Yeah, but maybe you can still find some things that are the same. | 16:28 |
| lardman|home | X-Fade: yep, almanac should be the same everywhere | 16:30 |
| dphil9000 | macromedia-flashplayer stopped working in microb on my n810. Web sites no longer detect flash installed. Can i debug the issue? The app info in application manager says it can't be ininstalled due to dependencies. | 16:30 |
| dphil9000 | Uninstalled | 16:31 |
| lardman|home | dphil9000: start it from the command line and look for output? | 16:31 |
| dphil9000 | Command? | 16:31 |
| hrw | lardman|home: Rolf was faster then me with dbus patch ;D | 16:32 |
| lardman|home | thanks to both :) | 16:33 |
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| lardman|home | dphil9000: no idea, take a look in the .desktop file, or start it and then see what it's called using ps from the command line, etc. | 16:33 |
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| johnx | I completely forgot about webcollage :D | 16:34 |
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| johnx | this is the greatest screensaver for the N8x0 ever when it's just sitting on a desk charging | 16:35 |
| dphil9000 | Ok found /usr/bin/browser | 16:35 |
| |tbb| | dbus patch? have i missed something? | 16:35 |
| * lardman|home is building driftnet and ever hopeful it will work | 16:35 | |
| hrw | |tbb|: for OpenEmbedded | 16:35 |
| lardman|home | |tbb|: For the OE metadata which I'm using to build debs for the n810 | 16:36 |
| hrw | |tbb|: OE fetch sources from upstream not from source archive | 16:36 |
| dphil9000 | No errors, youtube just has the no flash player message on the page | 16:36 |
| hrw | ~curse QA nokia division | 16:37 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, QA nokia division ! | 16:37 |
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| * lardman|home has 4 satellites... | 16:37 | |
| dphil9000 | It's like it's not finding the .so plugin | 16:37 |
| lardman|home | dphil9000: it would tell you so if that were the problem | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | lardman|home: Still no fix ;) | 16:37 |
| lardman|home | X-Fade: nope, but I had to restart as maemo-mapper is playing silly buggers and keeps researching for the gps | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | I see 4 satellites too, but it doesn't fix for me.. | 16:39 |
| dphil9000 | Can i find the plugin directory? | 16:39 |
| X-Fade | 1/7 2/0 1/1 and 0/3, what ever that means :) (in Map) | 16:40 |
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| dphil9000 | Found ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so.st | 16:46 |
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| dphil9000 | And ~/.mozilla/plugins/disabled | 16:47 |
| dphil9000 | A clue? | 16:47 |
| dphil9000 | I wonder what the .st extension is and why there's a file named disabled | 16:48 |
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| dphil9000 | Perhaps i'll start renaming things ... | 16:49 |
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| X-Fade | lardman|home: I have a 5 satellite fix. Strange thing is, my nvd_data hasn't been updated since yesterday.. | 16:51 |
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| K-Fox | it's difficult to set usb networking ,n800 <--->winxp os2008? | 16:52 |
| johnx | K-Fox, yes, it seems that way. People on internettablettalk.com/forums see to be having problems getting it to work. Maybe you should ask there? | 16:54 |
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| braddbr | anyone know where to find gdb for os2008? | 17:08 |
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| inz | braddbr, repository.maemo.orG? | 17:10 |
| inz | -case | 17:10 |
| lardman | X-Fade: sorry, didn't mean to be rude; my keyboard failed | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Hehe, that must suck :) | 17:11 |
| lardman | yeah, I was copying and pasting letters from the history to say as much, then realised I couldn't paste 0x13 | 17:12 |
| hrw | ok, finally n810 recognized charger | 17:12 |
| braddbr | oops, blind me.. sorry | 17:12 |
| lardman | X-Fade: do you had a fix, and when you shutdown the gps nvd_data hasn't changed? | 17:12 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: No, I didn't realise it saved on close :) | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | I have 2 nvd_data files. Same position, 1 day between them.. | 17:14 |
| lardman | would you mind sharing them? | 17:16 |
| hrw | BUM.. charger out, n810 dead again. charger in and no reaction | 17:16 |
| lardman | very strange | 17:17 |
| lardman | still not booting? | 17:17 |
| hrw | booted | 17:17 |
| hrw | now | 17:17 |
| solmumaha | charger broken? | 17:17 |
| lardman | X-Fade: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Nokia770/GPS/ is mine | 17:19 |
| hrw | solmumaha: charger is ok - from nokia770 | 17:20 |
| hrw | solmumaha: n810 one is UK one so I prefer to not use it | 17:20 |
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| hrw | now time to flash my kernel... | 17:22 |
| hrw | flashed. now will it boot it or not ;D | 17:24 |
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| hrw | Linux version 2.6.21-omap1 (hrw@maluch) (gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2)) #1 Thu Feb 7 15:37:55 CET 2008 | 17:26 |
| hrw | nice :D | 17:26 |
| lardman | why the homebrew kernel? | 17:27 |
| hrw | lardman: because I can? | 17:28 |
| lardman | :) just wondering | 17:28 |
| johnx | what did you add to the kernel hrw? | 17:28 |
| hrw | lardman: sooner or later Poky will land (at least for testing) on it | 17:28 |
| hrw | johnx: compared to maemo one? nothing | 17:28 |
| johnx | ah, just a test compile? | 17:28 |
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| hrw | I probably will add 2.6.21.laststable and CFS backport later | 17:30 |
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| jku | lardman, if you want another nvd_data: http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/nvd_data/20080207-jku.2 That's from 14:56 UTC | 17:43 |
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| lardman | jku: thanks | 17:45 |
| hrw | lardman: how to get nvd_data for you? | 17:45 |
| lardman | hrw: get a fix, then shut down the gps so it saves the file (/var/lib/gps/) | 17:45 |
| lardman | jku: you in Finland? | 17:46 |
| hrw | ok | 17:46 |
| jku | yes | 17:46 |
| lardman | ok | 17:46 |
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| lardman | am going to try some comparison with these data: http://www.arinc.com/gps/gpsstat.html format here: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/gpssem.htm | 17:47 |
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| lardman | might be worth making note of the satellites in view when you shutdown too | 17:48 |
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| hrw | lardman: this file has also older entries? | 17:50 |
| jku | hrw no they all seem to get written | 17:50 |
| hrw | lardman: http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/nvd_data-hrw is mine (now no fix) | 17:50 |
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| johnx | hmm...has anyone run alsamixer on in OS2008? | 17:52 |
| lardman | hrw: that's the file with no fix at all? | 17:54 |
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| hrw | lardman: if this file has history then it had a fix and track | 17:56 |
| hrw | cause now it see 1-2 sattelites only | 17:56 |
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| jku | I assume it only gets written after a fix, check the timestamp | 17:57 |
| hrw | Feb 6 12:44 | 18:00 |
| hrw | I was at home then | 18:00 |
| lardman | I'm guessing from X-Fade's data here, he's had an extra section of 0x00's removed (~224 bytes worth) which I'm thinking might be because he's seen an extra satellite on this fix | 18:02 |
| jku | if you take a look at my two fixes, one has lot more data in B1 also | 18:02 |
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| K-Fox | where is evince of os2008 (offline file)? | 18:09 |
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| johnx | K-Fox, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/e/evince/evince_2.21.1-1.maemo4_armel.deb | 18:11 |
| * johnx goes to bed | 18:11 | |
| hrw | small question: how many n810 have good partition size on internal card? | 18:12 |
| lardman | the first section is 3457 bytes long | 18:12 |
| K-Fox | johnx : wow thanks you~~~ | 18:13 |
| hrw | here is was 1999206 instead of 1962220 | 18:13 |
| lardman | 3457/12 (max viewable satellites) ~= 288 | 18:13 |
| K-Fox | it is out message to be able to downroad this files | 18:15 |
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| K-Fox | it works | 18:16 |
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| jku | lardman, I believe there is a short header | 18:17 |
| lardman | yep, so that's not too far off the ~224 bytes that changed for X-Fade | 18:17 |
| jku | lardman 29 bytes (or 2 digit numbers anyway) in the beginning, with only one change: | 18:19 |
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| jku | 06 -> 0E | 18:19 |
| lardman | meeting, bbiab | 18:21 |
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| K-Fox | i need some packages missing to install evince (libdjvulibre15,libkpathsea3,libpoppler-glib2) | 18:33 |
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| K-Fox | where is package site? | 18:34 |
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| lardman | am I being really stupid? Where is BUFSIZ declared in osso-gpsd? | 18:44 |
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| lardman | or defined even | 18:45 |
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| Alendit_ | hey, is it possible to set up mplayer to open my media files by default? | 18:45 |
| ywwg | does gstreamer discoverer work on maemo? It works fine on the desktop, but when I try to do type discovery on the hardware it thinks it can't play the file even though it can. | 18:46 |
| K-Fox | where is offline files of this (libkpathsea3,libpoppler-glib2) | 18:47 |
| inz | lardman, BUFSIZ seems to be defined by stdio at least | 18:47 |
| inz | K-Fox, probably in the same place as the evince package | 18:47 |
| ywwg | I tried the gst-discover python script that Edward Hervey wrote and it doesn't work on totally normal mp3 files that it can play | 18:47 |
| K-Fox | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/e/evince/ <--- here is? | 18:47 |
| lardman | inz: indeed I was being stupid then :) | 18:48 |
| lardman | thanks | 18:48 |
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| inz | lardman, if grep -R yields no results, it must be somewhere else ;) | 18:48 |
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| lardman | nah, it's probably there, I'm on a WinXP machine atm, so is hard to search | 18:49 |
| peterbrett | Hey there... can someone answer some questions about the n810 for me? | 18:49 |
| lardman | depends what you ask.... | 18:49 |
| peterbrett | In particular, I was wondering whether it comes with a calendar app, and if so whether it can import .ics files | 18:50 |
| peterbrett | Same goes for address book and vcard | 18:50 |
| inz | It comes with no calendar | 18:50 |
| michele_ | lardman: if you need more data, this is mine from half an hour ago http://micampe.it/m/nvd_data | 18:50 |
| lardman | no, but GPE-calendar may be able to do so; and GPE-contacts can import vcard | 18:50 |
| michele_ | lardman: the visible satellites where 20 31 4 1 17 23 | 18:50 |
| lardman | the more the merrier, thanks :) | 18:50 |
| peterbrett | Does anyone know if there any screenshots of the GPE apps running on the n810 floating about? | 18:51 |
| lardman | http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/ | 18:51 |
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| peterbrett | Looks quite nice :) | 18:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | The built-in address book does fine with vcards. | 18:52 |
| lardman | http://o-hand.com/work/oss/pimlico/ is another option | 18:52 |
| peterbrett | (reason I ask is that if I get one I'll want to import from kdepim | 18:52 |
| peterbrett | ) | 18:52 |
| michele_ | lardman: not really, pimlico has some issues on os2008 (no Dates component) | 18:53 |
| lardman | ah, ok | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | the maemo port isn't really out of alpha yet is it? | 18:54 |
| michele_ | the o-hand guys tried to build it, but had some issues I can't remember with dependencies | 18:54 |
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| michele_ | oh wait | 18:55 |
| michele_ | looks like ross did it after all http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/pimlico-2008-02-05-20-10 | 18:55 |
| * michele_ installs right away | 18:55 | |
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| hrw | GeneralAntilles: 'The built-in address book does fine with vcards' - bullshit | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Worked fine here. | 18:57 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: I had to tell it | 18:57 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: import is limited to 500K (no info why) | 18:57 |
| jott | it did not even manage to load files >500kb | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I can only speak from personal experience. | 18:57 |
| hrw | GeneralAntilles: it is unable to import vcards from my cellphone (importable in other apps) | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, meh. | 18:57 |
| jott | and i wonder why there is no birthday field in the addressbook?! | 18:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | File a bug, then. | 18:57 |
| jott | there is a bug about the 500kb size limit | 18:58 |
| peterbrett | Is it possible to dial your phone over Bluetooth from GPE addressbook? | 18:58 |
| hrw | jott: mine | 18:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not that I know of, but there's phonelink for that. | 19:00 |
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| peterbrett | Phonelink /looks/ clunky | 19:00 |
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| peterbrett | I admit it's hard to tell from screenshots | 19:00 |
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| gpd | Just noticed 2G Sandisk SD cards on amazon uk for 3 quid. | 19:10 |
| gpd | Is n800 with os2008 compatible with SDHC 4G / 8G or is a kernel patch still needed? | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | it is compatible | 19:11 |
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| gpd | Any reason not to get a 4 or 8G then? | 19:11 |
| lardman | what is a bool stored in? 8, 16, 32 bits? | 19:11 |
| Blafasel | Other than price and potenially higher energy usage? | 19:11 |
| mgedmin | I suppose you could find reasons, if you wanted (2gb is cheaper; you don't actually need 4/8gb) | 19:11 |
| gpd | ok - no technical problems then - thanks | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | lardman: I think that depends very much on your compiler and its version | 19:12 |
| gpd | [i suppose compatability with any other devices I have would be the only other issue] | 19:12 |
| lardman | on the ITT | 19:13 |
| gpd | presumably I need an SDHC reader for my desktop :( | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | google says "according to the standard the size of 'bool' is implementation defined" | 19:13 |
| lardman | n810 even | 19:13 |
| lardman | hmm, ok, will have to look at the data and see, thanks | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | write a program that prints sizeof(bool) in the sdk | 19:13 |
| lardman | yep will do | 19:14 |
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| lardman | night all | 19:24 |
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| ywwg | are the gtk stock icons included with maemo? I'm trying to load simple icons like gtk-go-down and they aren't being found | 19:26 |
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| fysa | I hope a bool isn't 8 bits? It's just 0/1 | 19:28 |
| glass | it usually is? afaik, or an int | 19:29 |
| glass | iirc it isn't just 1 bit in about any compiler | 19:29 |
| inz | Usually it is int | 19:29 |
| inz | +an | 19:29 |
| dtahtbot | inz: Error: "an" is not a valid command. | 19:29 |
| inz | dtahtbot, fu | 19:29 |
| dtahtbot | inz: Error: "fu" is not a valid command. | 19:29 |
| pH5 | the scratchbox g++ from the maemo sdk has sizeof(bool)==1 | 19:29 |
| glass | you could use the bits from an int though | 19:29 |
| glass | if you need to conserve memory | 19:30 |
| inz | And use : if members of a struct | 19:30 |
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| peterbrett | fysa, inz: it's 1 bits for me (GCC 4.1.2, i386) | 19:32 |
| peterbrett | I mean 8 bits | 19:32 |
| peterbrett | or 1 byte | 19:32 |
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| peterbrett | http://pastebin.ca/895217 | 19:33 |
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| sven-tek | you can simply not adress one bit | 19:35 |
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| sven-tek | memory is adressed byte-wise | 19:35 |
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| fysa | right | 19:36 |
| fysa | I just realized that there's no provision for one bit these days.. | 19:36 |
| fysa | or 2 ;) | 19:36 |
| inz | But you can extract one bit of a byte | 19:36 |
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| sven-tek | yeah but thats expensive | 19:36 |
| inz | Oh? | 19:37 |
| hrw | depends on cpu | 19:37 |
| sven-tek | you save memory, but utilize cpu cicles to extract it | 19:37 |
| jott | arm does handle this fairly well | 19:38 |
| inz | What processor doesn't have and? | 19:38 |
| hrw | I remember microcontrollers where developer was able to create variable which took 2,3,4 bit and then another for 5th bit | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | C structs have bit fields | 19:38 |
| mgedmin | well, "can have" | 19:39 |
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| hrw | bye | 20:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Interesting. | 20:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just got a new N800, and the touchscreen feels like the old 770 touchscreen and nothing like the touchscreen on my release-day N800. | 20:14 |
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| pupnik | less/more spongy GeneralAntilles ? | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | More | 20:17 |
| K-Fox | evince seems to be so much cpu capacity | 20:17 |
| K-Fox | why? | 20:17 |
| pupnik | could maemo.org be a little faster please... | 20:18 |
| Navi | GeneralAntilles, is that a bad or a good thing? | 20:20 |
| pupnik | konttori why does NuvoBlack remove these elements? | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not particularly important. | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I prefer a less-spongy feel. | 20:21 |
| pupnik | /usr/share/backgrounds/hildon_home_bg_user.pn | 20:21 |
| pupnik | /home/user/.osso/original_titlebar.png | 20:21 |
| Navi | I like spongy ^_^; | 20:21 |
| pupnik | `/home/user/.osso/hildon_home_bg_user.png | 20:21 |
| pupnik | /usr/share/themes/NuvoBlack/images/qgn_plat_home_background.png | 20:22 |
| pupnik | /usr/share/themes/NuvoBlack/images/qgn_plat_home_background.png | 20:22 |
| pupnik | anyway it's still my favorite ever theme. Just that uninstalling it breaks other themes. | 20:23 |
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| Geeno | hello | 20:26 |
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| konttori | punik: I think it was trying to set the bg correctly | 21:13 |
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| k-s[WORK] | what reports: grep '^Hardware' /proc/cpuinfo | sed 's/^.*:[ \t]\(.*\)/\1/g' | 21:21 |
| k-s[WORK] | for n810? | 21:21 |
| michele_ | Nokia RX-44 | 21:22 |
| k-s[WORK] | ah, I thought it was because mine was a prototype | 21:22 |
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| k-s[WORK] | 770 is "Nokia 770", n800 is "Nokia N800" | 21:22 |
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| inz | k-s, there's also /proc/component_version which reports also hw-build and nolo versions | 21:23 |
| k-s[WORK] | inz: any table with possibilities for each? | 21:26 |
| k-s[WORK] | inz: I mean 770 + gregale, 770 + hacker edition | 21:26 |
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| k-s[WORK] | inz: n800 + bora, n800 + chinook | 21:27 |
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| Tama^2 | Hello | 21:28 |
| inz | k-s, only have n800 and n810 :( | 21:29 |
| inz | k-s, bora/chinook n800 say RX-34 in component_version | 21:30 |
| inz | k-s, and n810 says RX-44 | 21:30 |
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| pupnik | http://www.gametunnel.com/articles.php?id=658 Indie RPGs of the year | 21:41 |
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| pupnik | nokia called. they want money | 21:42 |
| rm_you | rofl | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're all Windows. | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lame. | 21:44 |
| pupnik | yeah sorry GeneralAntilles | 21:44 |
| pupnik | i'm sorry but i had to decline their request | 21:45 |
| Tama^2 | well there is VM ware fusion... | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | x86 | 21:45 |
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| Tama^2 | It seems OS2008 on the n800 never cuts power to the external SD card | 21:45 |
| pupnik | they are independent developers, if they use SDL they could be persuaded to do a tablet port | 21:46 |
| Tama^2 | hence the increase in power consumption I observed | 21:46 |
| Tama^2 | GA: oh poor you , you are stuck in PPC hell | 21:46 |
| Tama^2 | xD | 21:46 |
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| jott | pupnik: nokia called you? :) | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | PPC > x86 | 21:47 |
| pupnik | the nokia store. they want 95 euros | 21:47 |
| jott | how did they react on your polite decline? | 21:48 |
| pupnik | politely | 21:48 |
| jott | i suppose they will call here too :) | 21:48 |
| Cptnodegard | want money for what? | 21:48 |
| jott | for their broken shop system ;p | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 21:48 |
| Cptnodegard | lol? | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's just lame calling for money after the fact. | 21:49 |
| pupnik | i'm sorry for them. i'm such a softie | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 21:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's, what, a hundred or so people? | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | They need to man up, cut their loses, and move on. | 21:50 |
| jott | i wonder if they really believe they would get the money :P | 21:51 |
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| michele_ | System Requirements: Windows 35+ | 21:54 |
| michele_ | what's Win 35? | 21:55 |
| crashmatrix | I know of windooze 3.5 | 21:55 |
| crashmatrix | but not 35 | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Windows 2035? | 21:55 |
| michele_ | (I'm sure they meant 95, but it's funny :) | 21:55 |
| glass | nt 3.5? | 21:56 |
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| jott | http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/nazi_gates.jpg that's the windows 35 logo ;P | 21:56 |
| crashmatrix | old :) | 21:57 |
| crashmatrix | and offending to many | 21:57 |
| michele_ | yes, it's from 1935 | 21:57 |
| jott | yeah from the windows 35 release party ;) | 21:57 |
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| mwaldron | thanks michele, got the download running now | 22:09 |
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| mwaldron | I think i'm going to like this little guy (810 arrives tomorrow) but not close to willing to change my desktop environment to do some coding for it | 22:13 |
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| michele_ | oh... xournal is 15MB?! | 22:16 |
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| pupnik | then install the vmware SDK | 22:16 |
| michele_ | what can it do in 15M? | 22:16 |
| mwaldron | pupnik: that's what michele pointed me towards | 22:16 |
| LoCusF | I do my lecture notes with xournal | 22:17 |
| LoCusF | really a killer app | 22:17 |
| LoCusF | + debug logs in the future | 22:17 |
| dtahtbot | LoCusF: Error: "debug" is not a valid command. | 22:17 |
| LoCusF | lol ok no + from now on | 22:17 |
| michele_ | yes, but I really didn't expect it to be that big | 22:17 |
| sven-tek | I'd like to have a search engine for my pdf files on maemo. something like beagle | 22:17 |
| inz | +die you stupid bot! | 22:18 |
| dtahtbot | inz: Error: "die" is not a valid command. | 22:18 |
| LoCusF | michele_: its ghostscript that makes it big | 22:18 |
| michele_ | ahhh | 22:18 |
| michele_ | ugh, they should provide a package without gs | 22:18 |
| LoCusF | and thats naturally for pdf-exporting | 22:18 |
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| pupnik | jott, would you want to do some testing of a new exult build? | 22:22 |
| jott | pupnik: yeah | 22:22 |
| pupnik | how is your time schedule .. this evening or tomorrow? | 22:23 |
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| jott | this evening is fine i suppose | 22:23 |
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| pupnik | well i still have some mistakes in it but i can upload bin/data | 22:24 |
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| jott | what have you changed? | 22:24 |
| pupnik | xsp pixel doubling, easier double click, remastered mp3 music | 22:26 |
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| jott | ah nice | 22:26 |
| pupnik | i prefer the look of scale2x though, but performance is just not good | 22:26 |
| pupnik | it would be preferable to use an alternative accelerated blitting method | 22:27 |
| jott | sure sai2x/super eagle/... make old games look nice ;) | 22:27 |
| pupnik | also i think we should allow fmopl or timidity music as an alternative | 22:27 |
| pupnik | yes those don't work with 8bpp mode though | 22:27 |
| pupnik | see http://pupnik.de/ScalersExult.png | 22:28 |
| pupnik | at this poitn i just want to release something playable. my source changes are totally hacky and terrible | 22:29 |
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| jott | :o | 22:29 |
| pupnik | and something installable by noobs | 22:29 |
| michele_ | pupnik: do you ever find the time to play any of the games you port? :) | 22:29 |
| pupnik | not really | 22:29 |
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| jott | did you make debian/patches? ;) | 22:30 |
| pupnik | no | 22:30 |
| pupnik | going to fix the rest of the mouse scaling problems and i'll put up a tgz | 22:31 |
| jott | an lcd controller based sai2x would be nice ;) | 22:31 |
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| pupnik | yes, but if you look at exult in particular, i think scale2x gives the best results | 22:33 |
| pupnik | text readibility is very important on the tablet | 22:34 |
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| jott | yeah no matter if 2xsai or scale2x it would be great to have something like this in hardware ;) | 22:38 |
| jott | (or as some kind of pixelshader) | 22:40 |
| mwaldron | but the real question has anyone ported dopewars :) | 22:40 |
| jott | the console based one should be straight forward ;) | 22:40 |
| mwaldron | can run it in garmin vm too i suppose | 22:41 |
| mwaldron | er garnet | 22:41 |
| mwaldron | mmm garmin vm :P | 22:41 |
| jott | haha ;) yeah | 22:41 |
| mwaldron | i've been reading way too much about 810 gps issues, got garmin on the brain | 22:41 |
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| ywwg | what's the API to get the neat application launching spinner? | 23:12 |
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| pierlux | ywwg, you mean in the corner? | 23:17 |
| ywwg | pierlux: yes | 23:18 |
| pierlux | I would guess it is called "start up notification" | 23:18 |
| inz | The spinner should appear automatically | 23:19 |
| inz | At least if you use d-bus launching | 23:19 |
| inz | And if you want a custom one for some process in your application, it's HildonBanner | 23:20 |
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| inz | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/HildonBanner.html | 23:21 |
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| ywwg | inz: I was trying it with hildonbanner but it wanted a widget, but of course my widgets aren't built yet because I'm launching | 23:28 |
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| inz | ywwg, well, even if you managed to get it visible, it would be pretty much appearing at the same time as the rest of the app | 23:30 |
| inz | ywwg, that's why desktop gives you the banner | 23:31 |
| ywwg | inz: yeah exactly | 23:31 |
| ywwg | inz: but the api wants a widget: GtkWidget* hildon_banner_show_animation (GtkWidget *widget, | 23:32 |
| ywwg | const gchar *animation_name, | 23:32 |
| ywwg | const gchar *text); | 23:32 |
| inz | But you don't need to use the API | 23:32 |
| inz | It is shown by desktop for you | 23:32 |
| ywwg | oh I see, the dbus launching you were talking about | 23:32 |
| inz | yeah | 23:32 |
| inz | If you desktop file is in order, it should just appear | 23:33 |
| inz | Not quite sure if the D-Bus usage is also required, might be | 23:33 |
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| ywwg | inz: aha, it seems I just have to specify X-Osso-Service and -Type and it works | 23:46 |
| ywwg | inz: thanks | 23:46 |
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