IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-02-05

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jga23X3N: syncing both ways?00:10
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lcuk_2pupnik, are you still around?00:10
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pupnikhuuh00:11
pupnikmaths hurting brain00:12
lcuk_2i bet it is.00:12
lcuk_2ive just had a chance to take a peek at your newvox/pupvox example and i am suitably impressed00:12
lcuk_2a big well done to you!00:12
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pupnikyes but i didn't write the original algorithm00:13
lcuk_2any chance of me taking a peek at the code to the full res version (im not interested in the newest xsp stuff)00:13
lcuk_2i know that, i was looking on a demo site the other day and saw vox in under 256bytes i think!00:13
pupnikyeah some guys are crazy.  but 8K isn't so bad for a C program00:14
lcuk_2its not bad at all00:14
lcuk_2i (as youve no doubt seen) have had enough trouble getting something bootstrapped on this maemo, if i had a small graphical proggy to get me going it would make life much easier00:15
pupnikyou want a sdl demo then?00:16
lcuk_2plz :$00:16
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lcuk_2i gather i can just compile it up with scratchbox00:17
pupnikyeah i have some nice sdl demos00:17
SmackPotatis there a fake mouse i can change the pointer to00:17
lcuk_2nice 1 pupnik :)00:17
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SmackPotator anything so i can disconect the stylus from the core pointer00:18
pupnikhttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/n770demos/  grab these for some sdl demo fun00:18
lcuk_2i saw those but bypassed them because of the 770 moniker, i thought nothing would work from that?00:19
lcuk_2or do i just recompile and go00:19
pupnikhttp://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz  there's a demo that shows you the works, sound, music, graphics and doubling00:19
pupniknah SDL programs compile for all tablets00:19
lcuk_2ahhh aliens i did try that one but for whatever reason couldnt get it built.00:20
lcuk_2thanks pup, i will give these a go, and hopefully because they are small and self contained it should be logical enough00:21
lcuk_2ive just got back from a lesson in woodworking.  i am attempting to create a house for my 810.   flat notebook sized piece of wood with a 2 step swimming pool area cut in it for 810 to sit in.00:22
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lcuk_2i think my mind is gonna explode with all this new stuff its doing00:22
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jotthmm i wonder if there is a d-pad cap around that would fit/be usable with the n810 d-pad...00:23
pupnik:) i was wondering that too00:23
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pupnikbut i've gotten fairly used to it00:24
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jotti tried to play quake but my fingers hurt after a few minutes :/00:25
Tama^2Hello00:25
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michelesomebody should build a BT or USB gaming shell00:27
jotthmm maybe we can find some asian folks who want to produce something, be it a shell or some plastik cap ;)00:28
pupnikyou can buy bt game controllers for PDAs for 10-25 euro.00:28
pupniksomeone got one of them working00:28
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lcuk_2thats about the same price as a wiimote00:28
rgriffitAnyone know which solder pad of the 7 is RX on the N800? I know that pad 6 is TX. The 7 pads near the '+' on the battery00:28
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lcuk_2ive seen wiimote code around00:29
jottwell but i want something that i can still hold the n810 in my hand .. .. :/00:29
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lcuk_2im thinking if we duct tape the wiimote to the 810 ;)00:31
jotthehe00:31
micheleuh... never tought about that.. I should try to pair it00:33
lcuk_2i think they do pair00:33
jotthmm in times of 3d printing there has to be a good solution for little money ;)00:33
lcuk_2in times of real 3d printing we would rebuild 810 to OUR specifications00:35
lcuk_2d pad on the side - you betcha.   extra tab keys okily dokily00:35
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michelei like the d pad where it actually, it makes the device considerbly,smaller00:39
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michele"where it is"00:40
jottmichele: for many use-cases i like the place too .. but gaming is definitely not one ;)00:40
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jottbut hey, if there is a market for things like this, http://www.1powershop.com/images/products_images/unfurl/1pob245op.jpg  there must be a market for some extra d-pad for n810 too :)00:42
michelethis seems a good one, if a bit pricey http://www.suntekstore.com/bluetooth-gamepad-for-smartphone-and-pdas---black.html00:42
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jottah yeah and probably too small..00:43
jottbut something like that would be nice00:43
lcuk_2you could even just mate it with the usbotg port00:44
jott....and not so expensive if possible ;)00:44
lcuk_2wouldnt need its own batteries to worry about00:44
lcuk_2damn00:44
lcuk_2yes it would, the stand blocks the way00:44
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lardmanevening all00:46
jotthello00:46
lardmanhey jott00:46
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lcuk_2hey lardman00:48
lardmanI tried the new improved (no leap year problem) gpsd, and maemo-mapper seems unhappy00:48
lardmanhi lcuk_200:48
lcuk_2why would maemo be upset?00:48
lardmanIt usually says looking for GPS, then says connecting, but now it says looking for, then the little gps symbol vanishes and it starts again00:49
lardmannot exactly a stunning bug report, was just going to ask if anyone else had seen similar (or not)00:50
Veggenlardman: hmm. probably gpsd crashes?00:50
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lardmanVeggen: When I start the maps app, it seems to work ok - just sit there saying it's looking for a location00:51
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lardmanI'll have to do some testing00:51
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lardmanwhat's the best bet for telneting to my N810?01:08
lardmanI get connection refused01:08
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johnxlardman, you'll need to install a telnet daemon on it...but seriously: why telnet?01:09
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lardmangpsd01:10
johnxah, telnetting to gpsd?01:10
lardmanah, no need, I can "cat /dev/pgps"01:10
johnxfor future reference: I remember someone getting this working before. I think gpsd only listens on localhost so he forwarded a port with ssh01:11
lardmanah, thanks01:12
lardmanscratch my earlier maemo-mapper comment, it seems to work now, must have been a one-off01:16
derfThe GPS often seems to get in an infinite "Searching..." loop these days.01:17
derfDisabling and re-enabling the GPS on the device seems to fix it.01:17
lardmanThrough the control panel?01:17
lardmanderf: I released the current vorbis dsp code if you're interested01:18
maddlerhey all...01:19
lardmanhi maddler01:19
derflardman: Ooo.01:19
lardmanderf: Doesn't work yet (still some error or other in the code), but it does run01:20
lardmantremor-dsp garage project, status is in the mailing list01:20
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lardmandsp-tremor even01:22
lardmanstill no lock and I can see that there are 5 satellites in the w to s quadrant01:23
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lardmanand there I was thinking Ubuntu was so much more stable than Mandrakiva01:29
johnxwhat happened?01:30
fysaMacBook Air arrived safe and sound..01:30
lardmanjust froze, mouse still moved, but stuck on the central monitor and sticky at the edges01:30
lcuk_2fysa, via normal postal delivery? in an envelope as promised?01:31
fysaFedEx ;)01:31
maddlerlardman: I've always had a bad feeling about RH/MDK/mandriva....01:31
maddler:)01:31
maddlernever felt comfortable with RH derivates...01:31
maddlerDebian rocks!01:31
lardmanmaddler: yeah, Ubuntu is much nicer (though my Mandrakiva was quite old)01:32
maddleryup... Ubuntu ain't that bad...01:32
fysait is in a relatively small box.01:32
lardmananyway this looks like a hardware error/conflict, annoying01:32
maddlerbeside I wasn't able to make it work on this laptop... whereas Debian testing runs smoothly! :D01:32
lcuk_2lardman, maybe it knows you have a nokia tablet and its jealous01:32
lardman:) could be01:32
lardmanexcept it's heavily involved as I need to to compile DSP code01:33
lardmanso it should feel loved :)01:33
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lcuk_2is it hardware issue?01:33
lcuk_2100% its a VIM01:33
lardmansame thing with my old mandriva setup and ubuntu, so I guess so01:34
lardmanVIM?01:34
lcuk_2just graphics card or something more (very important machine)01:34
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lardmanI have a 7900GTX plus a 7300GS, I have a feeling the two don't like cohabiting01:34
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lcuk_2whenever ive had a 900++ model nvidia the fans have gone flakey and overheat too much01:35
lcuk_2i ended up underclocking the old one we had01:35
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johnxsorry, I have no advice this time. The last time I did multi-card, multi-monitor was with a matrox MGA400 and a S3 Trio O_o01:36
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simon__this is becoming annoying now01:38
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johnxanother hang?01:38
lardmanyep01:38
johnxcan you ctrl-alt-backspace to get out of it?01:38
lardmancomplete freeze this time, no mouse01:38
lardmannope01:38
johnxdoes alt-sysrq-b reboot?01:39
johnxor did you try it?01:39
lardmanI tried a lot of combos and I think I tried that one01:39
nelsonAnybody got a QR decoder for the camera?01:39
lardmanwill try when it happens again ;)01:39
johnxnelson, for the tablet specifically?01:40
lardmanactually first will see if I can change the driver I use for the main screen & two extras - nvidia for main, nv for extras, need to log out, bbiam01:40
nelsonjohnx: yes.01:40
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johnxI don't know of any for the tablet specifically...01:40
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nelsonHmmm.....  Nokia is bundling a QR reader with some of their phones.01:43
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johnxI think all phones in Japan since ~2006 have had one...01:44
esworp/Topic01:44
esworpHrm01:45
esworp/topic01:45
esworpHrrrrm.01:45
nelsonthe S60 seems to have a barcode reader.01:45
glass_it's for 2d barcodes01:45
glass_theres a bunch of readers for j2me and s60 really tho...01:46
glass_but nighttime now01:46
glass_-<01:46
glass_->01:46
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johnxlardman, again?01:47
|tbb|nelson i guess the camera quality will be to low for it01:47
lardmanWell let's just say that it;s not happy with mixing nv and nvidia drivers01:47
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johnxaaah01:48
johnxI would believe that01:48
lardmanI'm back to nvidia now, but only two screens to see if that makes a difference01:48
nelson|tbb|: it depends on the size of the barcode in bits.01:48
lardmanI was running all 3 using nvidia before01:48
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lardmanWill wonders never cease, my GPS has locked on01:49
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lardmanoh no, not a lock, just some satellites in view01:51
blahdeblahCan anyone help me to work out what's wrong with my non-booting N800?  If i turn it on, it comes to the blue & white Nokia screen, the light blue bar goes along to the end, then the screen goes black and it all starts again.01:54
nelsonlardman: BTW, if you are in a state where it sees *zero* satellites, disable the GPS receiver using the icons.01:55
nelsonlardman: then start up the map program.  It will ask if you want to enable the GPS receiver.  You do.01:55
blahdeblahIt was switched off and charging all night last night, so i don't think it's battery.  (It's only 1 month old, so i sincerely *hope* it's not battery!)  I've tried booting with and without SD cards in both slots.01:55
nelsonBasically ... you have just rebooted the firmware on the GPS receiver.01:55
lardmanblahdeblah: have you used the flasher to switch off the lifeguard reset?01:55
blahdeblahlardman: Seeing as i don't know what the flasher or the lifeguard reset are, probably not...  ;-)01:56
lardmannelson: no, it just had 3 in view, then it dropped back to 1, now I don't know as I've not seen another $GCGSV message01:56
lardman$GPGSV that should be01:57
lardmanblahdeblah: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/flasher_tool_usage.html#1f19f86248d463cafb8f84cc93e6f86001:57
lardmanblahdeblah: There's a process, the lifeguard, which sits there and reboots the machine when something goes wrong that can't be restarted. If you have something going wrong you might get continual reboot loops01:58
blahdeblahSounds like it's kicking in!01:58
lardmanblahdeblah: If you disable it, you might be able to start it and work out what's going wrong01:58
lardmanblahdeblah: N800 should use flasher 3.0, but syntax is the same as that page which is for flasher 1.001:59
blahdeblahWhoa!  My whole screen just faded to black from left to right.01:59
blahdeblahMaybe the battery's a dud02:00
esworphildon-application-manager 2.0.202:00
esworpE: Problem parsing de02:00
esworpE: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.02:00
esworpE: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/debfarm.free.fr_dists_chinook_user_binary-armel_Packages02:00
esworpE: Error occurred while processing mediainfo (NewVersion1)02:00
esworpE: Problem parsing dependency Depends02:00
* esworp cries.02:00
esworpThis thing's been kicking my butt.02:01
johnxesworp, if you run dmesg | tail do you see anything scary like I/O errors or the like?02:01
esworpLemme lookie02:02
nelsonjohnx: http://www.intomobile.com/2007/11/13/zxing-googles-open-source-qr-code-reader.html02:02
johnxnelson, cool02:02
lardmanhmm, maemo-mapper went TU again02:02
nelsonlooks like we just need to port ZXing to maemo.02:03
esworp~ $ dmesg | tail02:03
esworp[ 3949.835937] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV (reg 0x0a, val 0xb8)02:03
esworp[ 3943.789062] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled02:03
esworp[ 3942.125000] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled02:03
esworp[ 3920.750000] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled02:03
esworp[ 3919.625000] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled02:03
esworp?02:03
esworp[ 3917.125000] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled02:03
esworp[ 3907.515625] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled02:03
esworp:]02:03
esworp[ 3905.062500] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled02:03
esworp[ 3871.953125] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled02:03
esworp[ 3853.085937] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled02:03
lardmandare I say:02:03
esworpNo02:03
esworpNo idea what any of that was.02:03
lardman~pastebin02:03
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste02:03
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lardmanoh, random, fair enough02:04
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johnxesworp, that looks pretty normal (and yes, pastebin might be a good idea in the future)02:04
timelyesworp: try disabling that repo?02:04
blahdeblahlardman: It's given me the little icons showing the R&D flag set.  Now what?02:05
esworpYah- not sure which one it is.  I installed a ton at once.  :)02:07
timelyesworp: um,02:07
lardmanblahdeblah: try rebooting and see what happens02:07
johnxesworp, it's this one: debfarm.free.fr02:07
blahdeblahNothing02:07
lardmanblahdeblah: no blue line, etc.?02:08
blahdeblahlardman: I see kernel, initfs, and component versions, and the blue line goes across again, and that's it.02:08
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lardmanblahdeblah: No idea then; I'd be tempted to flash it02:08
blahdeblahDo i need to unplug the USB?  It seems to have disconnected itself anyway.02:08
lardmanblahdeblah: it will disconnect itself; someone else may have a better idea than flashing02:08
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blahdeblahlardman: OK - thanks.  :-(  Interestingly, it keeps rebooting, despite the lifeguard being turned off...02:09
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timelyesworp: try looking in /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/catalogues.backup02:09
lardmanblahdeblah: no idea sorry, might be worth a look though the mailing list though02:10
timelythat might let you figure out which repo w/o checking each one02:10
|tbb|anyone running hacker edition on n77002:11
esworpNuking that catalog fixed it02:13
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lardmaninteresting, even after disabling the gps, gpsd still produces nmea data (the give away is the line gap between each message)02:17
lardmananyway, no idea how long I've been online, but still no lock02:17
lardmanI'll give the N810 the benefit of the doubt and blame it on my balcony not having a full 180 deg view and it raining02:18
timelyyou're trying it in the rain?02:18
timelyyou're cruel02:18
timelyyou know your device isn't waterproof, right? :)02:19
lardmanwell inside02:19
lardmanah, perhaps that's the problem, do you think it's supposed to make a fizzing noise and steam come out too?02:19
lardmantime for bed, night all02:20
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blahdeblahCan anyone explain to me how "devicescape" is better than the way OS2008 handles wifi hotspots by default?02:34
johnxwasn't devicescape the one that handles automatic "web based" logins to public free/pay networks?02:35
blahdeblahYeah02:35
johnxthen yeah, that's how it's better02:35
blahdeblahHow is the way it works by default not "automatic"?02:36
blahdeblahEvery time i've gone looking for wifi, it just finds it effortlessly and i can connect.02:36
johnxwell if you also have to manually load up the browser and enter sign-on info in a poorly designed web page it's not very automatic...02:36
blahdeblahah02:37
blahdeblahso it automatically enters web-based credentials?02:37
johnxthat was my question up above :P02:37
johnxI *thought* it did02:37
johnxotherwise, what's the point? :)02:37
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rm_youhrm... this "devicescape" sounds interesting...02:38
rm_youi was in the middle of writing a python script to handle some web form logins...02:38
johnxah, html scraping02:38
rm_youi wonder if i could utilize that instead somehow :)02:38
rm_youyeah02:38
rm_youwith curl02:39
rm_you*libcurl02:39
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johnxyeah, I did that with wget and bash to feed branch names to bzr02:39
rm_youfor my "Dial a number on a dialpad to make a call with GrandCentral" GUI02:39
rm_youjohnx: i had the wget/bash script FINISHED02:40
rm_youbut... *it didn't work*02:40
rm_youbut it did02:40
rm_youi know that's an oxymoron...02:40
rm_youor rather, a paradox02:40
rm_youbut it "worked" in that it returned the right stuff , like "Now dialing 555-555-5555" from grandcentral...02:40
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rm_youbut for some reason the wget connection never actually caused the thing to *actually call*02:41
johnxhmm02:41
johnxmaybe some javascript needed to be run?02:41
rm_youi don't THINK so... but good idea... i will check02:42
rm_youi didnt see any first glance...02:42
* johnx shrugs02:42
rm_youwow....02:45
rm_youZERO *anything*02:45
rm_youthe page has like 4 tags and 10 words on it02:45
johnxreferer? cookies? user agent?02:46
rm_yougot both referrer and cookies taken care of02:46
rm_youuser agent... maybe?02:46
rm_youbut this page is *designed* to work for mobile devices02:47
rm_youon whoknows what browser02:47
rm_youprobably on cellphones02:47
johnxI don't know, just doing a brain dump02:47
rm_youyeah02:47
rm_youand i'm giving you more info so you can come up with more informed ideas :P02:47
blahdeblahIs there any add-on package that allows OS2008 to a) correctly receive the local domain from DHCP so i can use non-qualified domain names in bash, and b) use wpad.dat autoproxy?02:49
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johnxno idea about (b), but for (a) you'll want to look at dnsmasq's configuration and whether it's capable of that...02:53
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trevarthanso.... no source code available for mnotify, eh? That sucks.03:03
trevarthanI'd like to extend mnotify to a.) blink the LED and b.) access gmail via plain HTML rather than the ajax mode.03:04
trevarthanAlso, I'd like to write something similar to mnotify for facebook, but with the LED blinky functionality.03:05
* b0unc3 good night03:06
johnx'night b0unc303:06
|Radd an easter egg so it actually unregister people from facebook, thus saving their lifes ;-)03:07
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trevarthanIs the tray actually a good place for application like that though? Are they visible when blinking if the tray is in overflow mode?03:08
disqi still want a desktop plugin container where you can use desktop plugins in different tabs03:13
disqalso the ability to add the same plugin more than once (think web buttons) and such03:14
disqmaybe even have a notification mechanism so that if an event occurs in the other desktop-tab the tab color changes etc03:14
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trevarthanI like the web buttons idea. simplelauncher with web shortcuts would be a nice "almost" though.03:25
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trevarthanIs there documentation on how to get an application into the tray? I'm looking around on google....03:25
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trevarthannm. I found it. they call it a statusbar plugin, not a tray icon. meh. http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo.html03:35
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pppoe_dudehello04:30
pppoe_dudeIs there a way to import contacts from a cell phone?04:31
pppoe_dudeonto a nokia 77004:31
pppoe_dudei tried the 'send contacts via bluetooth' option on my phone, but it fails. The nokia and my phone are paired up04:31
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oilmorning04:43
Tama^2morning04:43
smackpotatoi cant do anything with my phone but connect. thats my phones fault04:43
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Tama^2is there such thing as a substitute kernel for OS2008 with improved SDHC logging?05:00
johnxI think fanoush released a kernel that did that at one point05:01
braddbrany ideas of the speed of the built-in SD card in a n800?? would i gain any speed increase if i installed os2008 on one of the removable media cards?05:06
Tama^2you battery life is probably bound to decrease but you would probably get a bit of speed05:07
braddbrok, good to know05:07
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johnxbraddbr, you'd probably gain speed. A fast SD card will almost certainly be faster than the built in NAND flash (it's not an SD card, BTW). Also the builtin flash is a compressed filesystem so there is CPU overhead for reading and writing to it that you don't have when writing to an ext2/3 filesystem on an SD card05:08
braddbroh, i see.. maybe i will go look for a fast SD card tomorrow.. any brand preferences (low-power would be preferrable)05:10
johnxno ideas there, sorry05:10
johnxI used to say that if you're planning to swap to it you should get one with a lifetime warranty ... but they're so cheap these days that they're almost disposable (at least in the 4GB range...)05:10
smackpotatoso meta-crawler and samba dont play well together05:12
braddbrany ideas on power consumption? is there any big jumps between the sizes?05:13
johnxmetacrawler doesn't play nice with very almost everything :/05:13
smackpotatoo well05:14
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johnxbraddbr, some people seem to think so...or at least power differences between different cards...but there's not much really scientific comparisons between cards05:14
trevarthanlol. so the maemo 4.0 hello world example's build scripts don't work with the chinook sdk.05:14
trevarthanfigures05:14
johnxtrevarthan, ouch05:14
johnxits uninstall didn't work right either (for me at least...)05:15
trevarthanheh05:15
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zetheroocan someone help me update my N800 with the latest OS?05:16
zetherooI have two units that I need to update05:16
fysa8GB cards were down to $33 the other week05:16
braddbrwhat os will you be using on the updater zetheroo?05:16
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zetheroounit no1 is pluggied into the USD already05:16
trevarthanfysa: microsd or full size?05:17
fysafull05:17
fysaI think MicroSD are on sale somewhere now too though.05:17
trevarthanoh. :( I bought a microsd for like 90.05:17
braddbron the topic of microSD, are they better for power usage?05:17
zetheroobraddbr: I would liek to update to OS200805:17
braddbrzetheroo: i mean what OS will you be using to do the update?05:18
zetheroobraddbr: I am running Ubuntu Gutsy05:18
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fysa16GB SDHC for $6705:20
braddbrzetheroo: i am looking for the website05:21
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braddbrhttp://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9816300-1.html <-- is one guide i found.. others may know of better ones tho..05:24
fysaa Maemo Mapper hack that links to an http://localhost/ wikipedia mirror.05:27
fysathat would befun.05:27
dphil9000Sounds complicated to index wiki data to locations05:29
dphil9000Wiki editors wouls need to tag entries with coordinates05:29
johnxzetheroo, this is what you want: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/#312936fe52de4398657f61dbf7c0674705:30
fysathat would be too easy to be fun.05:32
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dphil9000AI to guess coordinates?05:33
fysalookup nearest addresses by city/area/business05:33
fysausing the point-to-point database05:33
johnxgoogle earth already has lots of stuff tagged05:33
johnxyou can just export their kml files and use gpsbabel on them05:33
fysahttp://alendit.blogspot.com/2008/02/mokopedia-wikipedia-in-your-pocket.html05:33
rm_youhttp://www.wikimapia.org05:34
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dphil9000ggl earth interface to the gps h/w05:34
johnxrm_you, that's awesome!05:35
dphil9000If it exists, should be ported05:35
rm_youjohnx: i marked my house :)05:35
johnxahaha05:35
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oilheh. I found a neirbough who is editing wikimapia.. he also marked his house :)05:39
johnxthis is rather nice :)05:40
johnxand the full screen layout would work well on a tablet...05:40
rm_youif it has the power to run it... <_<05:40
rm_youit lags a little bit on my desktop :/05:41
johnxreally?05:41
johnxit's quick here...05:41
johnxis it any slower than google maps?05:41
rm_youhrm05:41
rm_youmy compy is also like... broken right now i suppose05:41
johnxactually, I'm probably looking at a "more sparse" region than you :P05:41
johnxrm_you, are you in Linux?05:41
rm_youno05:41
rm_you>_<05:41
rm_youtrying to fix my broken-ass windows stuff05:42
johnxgive up :P05:42
rm_youbeen defragging my drive for 2 days05:42
rm_younot sure if it's helping at all >_>05:42
fysajdefrag05:42
fysais the best05:42
fysawait.05:42
rm_youi have 250g of stuff on this drive i need <_<05:42
rm_youor i would just ditch it05:42
fysajkdefrag05:43
fysais very fast and excellent.05:43
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fysaand lightweight05:43
fysa(and free)05:43
rm_youbeen using defraggler05:43
fysahttp://www.kessels.com/JkDefrag/05:43
fysazip is 456kb05:43
rm_youyeah i grabbed it05:43
fysait has a screensaver..05:43
rm_youi see. nice :P05:43
fysaand the other one that's good..05:44
fysapagedefrag?05:44
rm_youno defraggler? >_>05:44
fysahttp://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx05:44
fysamaybe not.05:44
fysayeah, that's it.05:45
fysait defrags pagefile.sys on boot05:45
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fysahttp://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx05:46
fysaall the defragging you need, under a megabyte.05:47
fysahaven't heard of defraggler, looks nice and light too05:47
fysahttp://www.neowin.net/news/software/08/01/23/defraggler-101050-beta05:48
fysacomparison discussion05:48
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rm_youhrm05:48
rm_youno fragmentation in any system files, according to your other link05:48
rm_youthe sysinternals program05:48
fysaJkDefrag is better than Defraggler.05:48
fysaIt is both pointless and useless to use two defragmenters back-to-back.05:48
fysaThey all use the original defrag API function (which was originally designed by the same people who make Diskeeper) however the applications use different criteria for determining what is commonly and least commonly used and where to put what.05:48
fysaJkDefrag has a wonderful engine which defragmenters all files successfully and places the files sequentially and even consolidates all directories.05:48
fysaDefraggler does not defrag all files and does not perform file placement.05:48
fysayeah, it's rare05:48
fysaI usually get one fragment at most..  every month or two05:48
fysabut I can imagine with swap, even one fragment could be horrible.05:49
fysaso it seems that defraggler doesn't do smart-placement -- i.e., most accessed files at the fastest part of the disk05:49
Tama^2FAT /me looks at the date and sighs05:50
rm_youfysa: i had over 900,000 fragments05:50
fysahaha05:50
rm_youtwo days ago05:50
fysaexcellent05:50
johnxrm_you, how close is that disk to full?05:50
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rm_youi had more than 10 files with 7000-9000 frags a piece05:50
rm_youjohnx: it was at 100% >_<05:50
rm_youjohnx: which entirely explains the situation05:50
fysaI had fragments kill a jfs-on-RAID..05:50
johnxyup, that'll do it05:50
rm_youbut now has 42g free05:50
fysaand there are no defragging tools.05:50
fysa7 drives, performance was down to 8-20MB/s.ec05:51
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rm_youok... gonna kill defraggler and start jkdefrag >_>05:51
johnxI used to choose filesystems based on their technical merits...now I choose them based on the maturity of their maintanence and rescue tools ...05:51
fysayes.05:51
rm_youmaybe it's something else though...05:51
fysaI've had bad experiences with jfs and xfs alike.05:51
johnxxfs is *not* tolerant of hardware issues05:52
johnxask me how I know...05:52
fysaI'm back to ext3 because it can shrink, i.e., I can escape out of it if something happens.05:52
rm_youbecause the disk is seriously SOOOOO slow that it's not realistic that fragmentation alone could do this05:52
rm_youi think the read/write is even ridiculously slow now05:52
fysaI lost a terabyte to xfs.. :)05:52
johnxI lost 20GB on a USB drive that had a hickup...back when 20GB meant something05:53
fysafragmentation can really kill a filesystem if it's out of control.05:53
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johnxso can a USB disconnect :/05:53
fysaaw05:53
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fysano good05:53
johnxext2/3 seemed to cope better in my experience with sketchy drives05:54
fysagoing from jfs back to ext3 was 20MB/sec -> 160MB/sec05:54
johnxthis was back when I was a kid and putting every spare drive I found into service :)05:54
fysaxfs was 183MB/sec..05:54
fysabut I'm happy with 160. ;)05:54
fysaext4 sounds good.05:54
rm_youlol?05:55
rm_youis there a spec out for that? :P05:55
johnxyeah05:55
rm_youi don't follow filesystem news :)05:55
johnxtesting version in the latest kernels05:55
rm_youlol05:55
rm_youext is always backwards compatible, eh?05:55
johnxyeah05:56
rm_youi want to see a brand new filesystem wherein it magically increases the size of the disk by 10x :) that would rock.05:56
johnxI wonder how long they'll keep it up...05:56
johnxrm_you, jffs2? or squashfs?05:56
rm_youlol05:56
czrherbal disk extender filesystem?05:56
johnxand fuse has a lot of options ...05:56
rm_youi've seen programmers do *wonders* with "magic cookies" :P05:57
czrjohnx, try running reiserfs on broken hw ;-)05:57
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czrheh rm_you05:57
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johnxczr, I think I do remember reiserfs biting me at least once, now that you mention it05:57
czrI used to run reiser on most systems until bad things started happening to me :-)05:58
czrstuck with ext2/ext3 ever since. for most stuff.05:58
rm_youi've never had good luck with xfs :/05:58
czrext2/ext3 I can at least fix manually (which I've done since), reiserfs/xfs is close to impossible05:58
johnxext2/3 is great though :) My dmesg log 7-8 years ago used to be full of "Error! Resetting IDE bus..."05:58
elbI ran reiserfs back when Reiser claimed it didn't need fsck05:58
rm_youand i used to use reiser, but it started annoying me too <_<05:58
elbthen I lost data05:58
rm_youso i'm back to ext3 <_<05:58
elbI've never looked at it since05:59
johnxyeah fsck.ext3 just bailed me out yesterday O_o05:59
czrwell, ext3 is good even if fsck.ext3 fails. since it's very simple, you could actually fix it manually05:59
johnxI remember undeleting files on ext2 manually05:59
czrnot saying that you should, but could. I needed to do that once (backups? what backups!?)05:59
elbheh I've never fixed it manually, but there used to be some tool called like 'debugfs' or something06:00
johnxczr, yeah. thousands of dollars of stuff on a server at a civil engineering firm06:00
elbwhich was a few steps up from manual ;-)06:00
johnxheh...and FAT is so freaking easy to cope with manually06:00
johnxin college a guy on my floor had his digital camera eat the FAT on his CF card in his camera06:01
johnxI wrote a picture extractor in bash in one night O_o06:01
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elbit has the advantage of not being a real filesystem, in any respect which matters ;-)06:01
johnxyes06:01
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johnxand as such you can hold the entire design of it in your head at once :)06:02
elbiso9660 is pretty easy to parse, too, provided whatever built the filesystem didn't actually take advantage of all the options it had available to it ;-)06:02
johnxheh06:03
johnxanyways, I'm out of here for now06:03
johnx'later all06:03
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oilsmackpotato: are you still here?06:04
smackpotatoya im here06:04
oilgreat. would you have time for some newbie questions of gpsd?06:05
smackpotatoi dont know to much06:05
oilI understood you made the fix for gpsd?06:05
smackpotatothat would be incorect06:06
oilah ok. sorry then.06:06
smackpotatoi did mention it last night06:06
smackpotatohows it working out for you06:07
oilwell maybe someone could help me. I'm interesting what kind of information gps is providing for gpsd. how the info is delivered. how can I push location information to it from text-file.. and how to read the information from command line06:07
oilsmackpotato: I did install it, but did not yet try it in real usage06:08
smackpotatoit worked for a little while for me06:08
smackpotatobut today seems slow again06:09
elbI don't know if the nokia gpsd is the standard linux gpsd, but if it is, it simply reads nmea sentences from an nmea device06:09
oilelb: how could I push the info to it? and what kind of info is needed?06:10
elbyou can't push location information to it from a text file as-is, although you could create a fake tty device and feed it position from there06:10
elbnmea, as I said06:10
elbwhich is a gps standard communication protocol06:10
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oilcan I tell the gpsd 'your location is now 1.2222, 3.44444' ?06:10
dragornelb: it is.  gpsd 2.3206:11
elboil: http://gpsd.berlios.de/gps-hacking.html06:11
dragornoil: fakegps is used for testing gpsd, but generally you don't push info to gpsd, you pull from06:11
oilelb: thanks. I'll take a look06:11
elboil: I found that as the first link for googling 'gpsd'06:11
oildragorn: ok.06:12
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oilwhat I'm looking for is to speedup the gps location. kind of a a-gps. could be done just by pointing an location on the map.. or with wlan access06:13
smackpotatoi found it strange that it didn't know the time befor i locked on06:13
dragornah.  I doubt that's possible with gpsd, but you may prove me wrong.06:13
dragornoil: gpsd just parses NMEA coming out of the GPS, which provides sat pos, strength, and computed position, I suspect you'd need docs on the chip internals and what language/protocol it expects to seed info06:14
dragornoil: But check, I may be wrong.06:14
smackpotatomaybe i removed the battery or something06:14
oildragorn: is there a better way to do this? maybe even for n800 without any gps device?06:16
dragornoil: Theres a few companies doing geopos based on wifi networks06:16
dragornoil: You could derive the list of networks from iwlist scan (or writing code to parse the ioctls directly for the same info)06:16
oilso that when I come home. the n800 will note that it's assosiated to my home wlan.. and pushes the informartion to gpsd which will give it to maemo mapper06:17
dragornoil: Or via kismet, but then you're in rfmon and lack the ability to connect upstream, so you probably wouldn't want to do it that way since I think all of those services require you to talk up06:17
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dragornawesome.  segv.06:18
dragornoil: what would the point of pushing fake locations into maemo-mapper be?06:18
oildragorn: so that I would get the device location even without real gps connection06:19
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oilin an city environment I could see where I am and what is around06:21
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fysathat could be an interesting way to add a hub, once linux drivers are sorted.07:01
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fysahttp://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=205130621&loc=07:01
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acydlordweird, something i installed on my n810 borked the backlight settings and my power button doesnt work when the device is powered on07:14
acydlordi should have checked for bugs between each app i installed07:14
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acydlordaha, found the culprit, powerlaunch07:15
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zetheroosomeone helped me a week ago to update the OS on the N800 and it was very simple....07:16
zetheroocan I get some help again on this?07:17
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sterihttp://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/01/nokia-n800-how-to-update-n800s-firmware.html you could try that one07:20
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zetherooI am working in Ubuntu Gutsy07:25
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zetherooanyone?07:29
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zetheroozeth@zeth-ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R07:36
zetheroosudo: ./flasher-3.0: command not found07:36
zetheroowhy is this?07:36
jacquesis ./flasher-3.0 executable?07:38
zetherooits supposed to be07:38
zetherooI am following this07:38
zetheroohttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/#312936fe52de4398657f61dbf7c0674707:39
oilwhat does: ls -l flash* show?07:39
zetherooasking me?07:39
oilyes07:40
zetheroozeth@zeth-ubuntu:~/Desktop$ ls -l flash*07:40
zetheroo-rw-r--r-- 1 zeth zeth 40236 2008-02-05 16:36 flasher-3.007:40
jacques:-\07:40
jacqueschmod +x flasher-3.007:40
dragornnot executeable07:40
oiljep07:40
zetheroohey thanks07:41
zetherooits working now07:41
zetheroothey ahould put that in the documentation07:41
jacquesnp07:41
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zetheroofor some reason holding the home button down while powering on is not working....07:44
zetherootried it about 8 times now07:45
GeneralAntillesHome down home key, then continue holding down home and turn it on?07:46
dragornrun flasher.  Leave it seeking for a device.  Turn on the device, on a charged battery, not plugged in to AC.07:46
dragornI've never had to mess with the home button if done in that order07:46
GeneralAntillesYeah, it'll catch it like that.07:46
zetheroodragorn: hey that worked07:47
GeneralAntillesHome just makes it wait for you, which can be mildly more convenient.07:47
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timelyso, does anyone have contact info for wazd?08:56
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GeneralAntillesSure, but you wont like it, timely. ;)09:11
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/member.php?u=992109:11
rm_youblegh09:16
rm_youevery time i pick up my n800, it's off >_>09:16
rm_youbut with full battery09:16
rm_youi must have installed something that's triggering watchdog <_<09:16
rm_youhow do i turn it off?09:16
rm_youbleh. i'll look on the forums tomorrow09:16
GeneralAntillesWatchdog would reboot.09:16
rm_youerm?09:16
rm_youit would?09:16
rm_you>_>09:16
rm_youhrm09:16
GeneralAntillesWatchdog doesn't turn it off.09:16
GeneralAntillesJust reboots.09:16
rm_youyeah.... it keeps being *OFF*09:17
GeneralAntilleslow battery would turn it off.09:17
rm_youbut it isn't09:17
rm_youi turn it back on and it's at full09:17
GeneralAntillesHa09:17
rm_youit even turns off WHILE CHARGING09:17
rm_youlike i leave it charging overnight and in the morning its off again09:17
GeneralAntillesHaha09:17
GeneralAntillesSounds bad.09:17
rm_youhasnt ever turned off on me while in use tho09:17
GeneralAntillesGot a backup on SD you could boot from?09:17
rm_youso i guess that's a plus... so far09:17
rm_you?09:18
rm_youno...09:18
GeneralAntillesIsolate whether it's actually software.09:18
rm_youi could try johnx's debian :P09:18
rm_youi've been meaning to anyway09:18
GeneralAntillesIt's fun.09:18
rm_youit better not be the hardware.... i take ridiculously good care of this thing09:18
GeneralAntillesI wish we had access to Debian's ARMEL repo within maemo. :(09:18
rm_youcrap, i still need to package up that new backlight file i sent you <_<09:19
rm_youtomorrow!! ... maybe09:20
rm_youinz: you there?09:20
inzrm, yup09:20
rm_youinz: you set up the packaging system i'm using now...09:20
rm_youi just forgot what command to run :P09:20
inzdpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot?09:21
rm_youprobably it :P09:21
inzBtw, I forgot to set the Section to user/something in debian/control, I don't know if someone else told you to do that?09:21
rm_youah09:21
rm_youi didn't09:21
rm_youwhichwhat now?09:21
inzEdit the debian/control and change the line saying Section:09:22
inzIt should be something like Section: user/Utilities09:22
rm_youkk. i hope thats right :P09:22
rm_youwhat files do i need to edit when i make a new release?09:23
rm_youanything have a version number in it?09:23
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inzdebian/changelog09:28
inzYou can also use dch09:28
inzdch -v new_version "Change that was made"09:28
rm_youk.09:29
rm_youhow do i tell it to clean the directory so i can tar up the sources? >_>09:29
inzfakeroot debian/rules clean should do something at least09:29
rm_younm it makes me a nice clean source package :P09:30
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rm_youanyone know how to DELETE releases in the garage admin thing?09:31
GeneralAntillesWhen's it get to Extras?09:32
rm_youi'm not sure how to do that... from what i can tell, i still have to ask someone to put me on a list or something <_<09:32
rm_youbut i'm not sure who09:32
rm_youto tell the truth, i really wanted it in extras but i got bogged down in social stuff recently09:32
rm_youso i didnt do as much research as I should have :/09:33
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rm_youbah09:36
rm_youi fail at figuring out this interface09:36
rm_youi just want to add a new file under an existing release name <_<09:36
GeneralAntillesHaha09:37
rm_youAH09:39
rm_yougot it09:39
rm_youi hate this interface <_< so confusing09:40
rm_youanyway, the 0.6 deb and gz is on the garage <_<09:40
rm_youthough for some reason in the file list, the 0.5 release name is in BOLD and the newer 0.6 is in small text09:40
rm_youwtf09:40
rm_youholy crap, this thing has 240+ downloads!?!09:41
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GeneralAntillesTold you I would stump. :P09:42
rm_youlol09:42
rm_youwow, 45 downloads on the 27th <_<09:42
rm_younot bad09:42
rm_youanyway... any ideas on how to get this in extras?09:42
rm_youi'd like to be able to apt-get upgrade and have it pop in :P09:42
solmumahawhat app are we talking about here?09:44
rm_youadvanced-backlight09:44
solmumahaah, it's nice, i have it09:44
rm_youlol09:44
rm_you0.6 is out09:44
rm_youimprovements :)09:45
solmumahadoes it close if you click somewhere else now?09:45
rm_youyes09:45
rm_youfor the most part...09:45
rm_youstill some kinks with that. but yes :P09:45
rm_youalso, it has a border :P09:45
GeneralAntillesOnly along the statusbar and taskbar area.09:45
rm_youso it doesnt look quite as horrible09:45
rm_youGeneralAntilles: it closes when i click on other programs <_<09:45
GeneralAntillesNot here.09:46
rm_youjust not when i click in blank space in windows like the control panel09:46
solmumahathank you for it, it's nice to make it more dim in dark09:46
rm_you:P np09:46
rm_youhappy to give back to the community09:46
GeneralAntillesNext we need a volume slider.09:46
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solmumahawith 0.1 steps09:47
rm_youGeneralAntilles: hrm.... you're right... i guess it does only close with clicks on the left...09:47
rm_youwhich doesnt make sense09:47
rm_youi switched to using the hildon popup interface, which is supposed to handle focus changes correctly...09:47
rm_youi guess i'll have to try it manually :/09:48
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GeneralAntillesOr con somebody at Nokia into telling you what they use.09:52
rm_youlol yeah >_>09:54
rm_youseriously, wtf09:54
rm_youah well. anyway, sent an email off to what i hope is the right person to get set up for the extras repo09:54
rm_youand now, i require sleepage. ^_^09:55
GeneralAntilles'night09:55
rm_youoh, right... so i looked into the volume thing... making the bar show up is easy. hooking it up to anything is much harder. I need to find out if i can make volume level changes via dbus or gconf or what, and if i can, how to do that :P09:55
rm_youfeel free to briefly research that :P09:56
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solmumaharm_you: volume is possible with gconf at least09:58
solmumahai'm using it myself09:58
rm_youthats what i thought from my brief checking...09:59
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rm_youIE, i dumped gconf and looked up "volume" and found which ones changed when i hit different buttons09:59
rm_youmute seems to just multiply by -109:59
rm_youwhich makes sense, cause then it stores the old volume and the mute status in one variable :P09:59
solmumaha/apps/osso/sound/master_volume10:00
rm_youi guess i'll just look for an interface to gconf in C tomorrow10:00
rm_youyeah10:00
rm_youand also try to figure out how to set up my own options system10:00
rm_youbecause this is getting complex <_<10:00
rm_youi'll need a "show volume?" checkbox, and a "DANGER! DANGER! ALLOW ZERO BACKLIGHT ON N800! DANGER!" checkbox :P10:01
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b0unc3good morning10:20
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X-FadeMorning.10:27
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Khertanmorning ...10:29
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Khertannice split10:38
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rm_youfscking hell10:52
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GeneralAntillesfs troubse/10:54
GeneralAntilleserg, fs troubles?10:54
rm_youi decided to try to do this instead of sleeping <_<10:55
rm_youdamn, it crashes10:55
rm_youhrm10:55
GeneralAntillesThat was your first mistake.10:55
rm_you<_<10:57
rm_youi wonder why it crashes <_<10:58
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ds3\11:11
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GeneralAntillespowerlaunch is mildly overwhelming but entirely too awesome.11:14
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_collin_hi11:18
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inzrm, what do you try to do?11:27
inzrm, volume control?11:27
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rm_youinz: yes, also... i got it :P11:32
rm_youalmost done11:32
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solmumahanew release today?11:32
rm_youyes11:33
rm_youtwo actually11:33
rm_youso wait a minute :P11:33
solmumahai'm in no hurry, have to update n810 for a friend today, could install it too11:33
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inzrm, did you include a gconf notify handler that updates the slider if someone changes the volume from another place?11:34
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rm_youyes11:34
inzgood11:34
rm_youit's all nice :)11:34
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AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:35
inzhuomenta11:36
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cizarroanyone using OS2008 in a virtual SSID-environment? The network selection GUI is broken with those.11:41
JaffaMorning, all11:41
Altcod3rHello.11:41
Altcod3rHey, I am new to using the whole internet tablet thing (only got my n800 today), and I was wondering if someone could help me with a download problem?11:42
inzAltcod3r, what kind of download problem?11:45
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scibotHas anybody figured out how to pixel doubling in pygame yet?11:54
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Altcod3rInz, I am using OS2008, and am trying to download a game from maemo.org. I go to the manager, and it just says 'Download 1kb'.11:57
scibotThat's a one tiny game.11:57
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scibotCould be just downloading a error page.11:58
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Altcod3rNo, it doesn't download the whole thing.12:01
Altcod3rit says it is still downloading.12:01
Alendithi, folks12:01
Altcod3rI don't know if it is a DNS error or something.12:01
scibotHi Alendit.12:02
X-FadeAltcod3r: What game are you trying to download?12:02
Altcod3rLXDoom12:04
Altcod3rFor OS 2008.12:04
inzalt, hmh, probably some maemo.org messup once again12:05
Altcod3rHaha, really?12:06
Altcod3rI will try it tomorrow morning, and if it doesn't work I will try another WIFI connection.12:06
inzit's been broken quite often lately12:06
Altcod3rIs there anywhere else I ca get games from?12:07
Altcod3rcan*12:07
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inzalt, if you like puzzles, you can try http://maemo-hackers.org/sgt-puzzles.install12:09
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pupnik_those are great12:10
pupnik_perfect for the tablet12:10
pupnik_but they clusterbomb the extras menu12:10
Altcod3rMeh, if it gets too much i can just remove them.12:11
Altcod3rthanks inz =]12:11
solmumahai think pupnik.de has games too12:11
Altcod3rDo they work on OS 2008? I was told the 2007 games didn't work.12:12
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GeneralAntillesWish they would give up back a decent Applications Menu.12:13
GeneralAntillesI can dig the finger-friendly setup12:13
GeneralAntillesbut we really need subfolders or something.12:13
pupnik_Altcod3r: i found that many SDL games don't care whether they're running on os2006, 2007 or 200812:14
Altcod3rAwesome, thanks =]12:14
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inzgeneral, with libhildonsomething, you can actually create subfolders12:15
scibotDang it I so want to do some python games. =/12:15
inzgeneral, they dont work too well though12:15
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: BAAAAAAA12:17
rm_yougot it i think12:17
rm_youGeneralAntilles: you get to be the first lucky test subject12:18
Altcod3rOn pupnik.de, should I save the files, or open them?12:19
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Altcod3ri guess it is just the same as saving other programs, so i will save them.12:20
GeneralAntillesJust open.12:20
GeneralAntillesIf they're .debs.12:20
Altcod3rOk, thanks =]12:21
rm_youGeneralAntilles: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.7-1_armel.deb12:21
rm_yousolmumaha: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.7-1_armel.deb12:21
rm_youI can't believe i just did that instead of sleeping <_<12:22
rm_youdamn my mixture of insomnia and obsession with code >_<12:22
Altcod3rhaha12:23
GeneralAntillesHaha12:23
GeneralAntillesLooks good.12:23
inzrm, i know the feeling12:23
GeneralAntillesJust needs a horizontal rule, a new icon, and a system sound ping when you change the volume. :D12:24
inzrm, after some rest you can review the code and thing wtf was i thinking12:24
rm_youlol12:24
jkyrolike, http://crap.teurasporsaat.org/archive/6246.jpg12:24
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rm_youinz: i'll definately think that... i ended up using some really frinky logic with all the volume change signals <_<12:26
rm_youwe'll see if it makes sense in the morning12:26
rm_youGeneralAntilles: remind me tomorrow <_< or whenever i get on next12:27
GeneralAntillesHaha12:27
GeneralAntillesWill do.12:27
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rm_youi'll hold off on releasing 0.7 until i make those changes12:27
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GeneralAntillesvolume control is weirdly short12:28
rm_youyeah dunno wtf12:28
GeneralAntilleslooks like it's almost a child of the backlight control.12:29
rm_youi'm not sure if i even have the option to size those widgets12:29
rm_youthe first one just kind of turned out the right size <_<12:29
rm_youi'll look into it12:29
rm_youLATER12:29
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rm_youwow... http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204055141&SearchEngine=DealTime&SearchTerm=204055141&Type=PE&Category=Comp&Gad=0&dcaid=1589112:33
rm_you$190 <_<12:34
rm_youack!12:34
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GeneralAntillesDamn12:34
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RettenHello...12:43
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lardmanmorning12:47
Rettenanyone familiar with 2007HE on a 770?12:49
RettenI'm running into a snag trying to get becomeroot12:49
pupnik_what is problem?12:49
Rettenthe package is not showing up in app manager after I add the repositories... red pill mode or blue pill mode.12:50
Rettenis there an alternate rep for it?12:50
* lardman would just do sudo gainroot12:50
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pupnik_^^12:50
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Rettenyeah, I'll look up the process for R&D mode12:51
lardmanYou use the flasher to set a flag12:51
lardmannice and easy :)12:51
pupnik_Retten: what does 'sudo gainroot' typed in xterm return for you now?12:51
RettenI remember becomeroot being really easy when I first got the 770, was hoping to use it again cause I'm lazy... 8)12:51
Rettenit returns a smart-assed line about "use R&D mode if you want to break your device"12:52
pupnik_ok i don't remember what i did for os2007he12:52
Alenditi get root with ssh localhost ^^12:52
pupnik_yeah12:52
Alenditsomehow its a problem on my n800 to make sudo gainroot12:52
Rettenyeah, I'm installing dropbear right now, wqas going to use the alternate root access through SSH12:53
* pupnik_ gets coffee "another day, another build"12:53
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Rettenthe eventual goal is to have 2006 on the flash, and 2007HE on a 2gb MMC. (Kingston)12:53
|tbb|retten: go gronmayer.de/it then search for becomeroot add eko.pl  repository ,after then install become root from application manager12:53
Rettenok, I'll give that a try12:54
Rettenhmmm... dropbear is taking a while to install12:58
lardmanprob does keygen12:58
lardmanhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1618612:59
lardmanhe has a good point, what is the Easter Egg?12:59
GeneralAntillesNotthing.13:01
lardmanso where did the rumours start?13:01
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X-Fadelardman: Texrat? :)13:05
lardmanYeah, drumming up interest I suppose13:06
X-FadeI still haven't seen high res pictures of the inside of a N810? :)13:07
lardmanI thought most of the chips were obscured anyway13:07
lardmanby metal shields, so it will have to wait for a completely dead one that someone is willing to sacrifice13:08
lardmanI wonder if the repair manual will appear in due course, that's as good13:08
X-Fadelardman: Nah, you can pop them off. But it won't be pretty :)13:09
RettenThanks for the help, got becomeroot installed, now I'm off to handle the rest!13:10
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floriangood morning13:13
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lardmanmorning florian13:16
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Altcod3rHey, I have downloaded Super Mario Wars from pupnik.de, and i was wondering how i play it after i installed it?13:28
lardmanpupnik: might be one for you :)13:29
b0unc3Altcod3r: open up the terminal and type smw13:29
Altcod3rterminal?13:29
b0unc3osso-xterm13:30
pupnikoh hi13:30
pupnikworking on another game port atm - but SMW should get attention soon13:30
lardmancome on pupnik I want to fly over textured terrain!13:31
pupnikmaking a game out of it lardman.  got controls dialed-in now.13:31
lardmancool :)13:31
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pupniknot gonna do textures though13:31
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lardmanbooo ;)13:32
pupniki think i can incorporate gameplay and keep fps ~60 though13:32
pupnikand that'd be pretty much a first13:33
Altcod3rI can see osso-xterm in my application mamanger, but I don't know what to do from here =[13:33
lardmanyou could sacrifice 58fps and do textures!13:33
lardmanAltcod3r: open it, and type at the terminal which will appear13:33
pupnikexactly13:33
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Altcod3rI don't know how to open it though =[13:34
lardmantap on the icon13:34
lardmanah, app manager13:34
lardmanwhat machine is this?13:34
Altcod3rn80013:34
lardmanos2008?13:34
Altcod3ryes13:34
lardmanshould be pre-installed then13:34
lardmanon the utilities menu, right down the bottom13:35
lardmaniirc13:35
Altcod3r:O13:35
Altcod3rThank you!13:35
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Altcod3rSo after the ~  $  I put SMW?13:35
pupniksmall letters yes13:36
Altcod3roooo13:36
Altcod3rthank you so much =]13:36
|tbb|hi collin13:38
|tbb|_collin_ could u port the iodine for bora also so i can use it with my n770 HE13:38
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booiiing__lol, i got a funny spam-mail:13:42
booiiing__We are delighted to inform you of your prize and Brand new Apple Iphone13:42
booiiing__Nokia 8GB release on the 25th Jan, 2008 from the NOKIA 'N' SERIES NEW13:42
booiiing__YEAR PROGRAM.13:42
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kennyyuhi all, just wish to see whether you have tried 'ddd' to debug mozilla, and do you know how?13:53
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* lardman can see sunshine, time to test the GPS again14:06
pupnikno! no! nooooo!   Windows 95 on the tablets... http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1589314:06
lardmanAnyway i was wondering whether running Garnet Vm and booting Windows 95 from there might be somewhat possible.14:07
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lardman2 layers of emulation, sounds painful14:07
glass_sounds pointless14:08
glass_and clueless14:08
glass_a recipe for someone to waste hours and hours and hours14:08
lardmanclueless certainly, I imagine it's very very very slow14:08
lardmanbut not pointless, if it can be done why not :)14:08
lardmanthough there are certainly other things I'd do before that, like tidying the house14:13
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hrwdoes someone know how to make 'PL_pl' locale appear as 'Polski' in controlpanel?14:26
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lardmanI added a feature request for AGPS: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289014:36
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pupnikhttp://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/osso-gpsd_1.0-25_armel.deb  missing14:41
pupnikah new version14:41
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pupnikHow to tell good code from bad code: http://www.osnews.com/images/comics/wtfm.jpg15:33
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X-Fadepupnik: :)15:34
solmumahait's wise to write shitty undocumented code15:35
X-Fadesolmumaha: So you at least don't make dumb mistakes in the comments?15:35
solmumahacompany can't replace you15:36
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GeneralAntillesHehe15:37
inzpupnik, reminds me of: 12:24 < jkyro> like, http://crap.teurasporsaat.org/archive/6246.jpg15:40
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pupnikhttp://maemostuff.com/  much coolness here15:46
GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to invest some time into putting together some customization kits for powerlaunch15:48
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X-Fadepupnik: Indeed, cool stuff.15:51
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fysaI think johnx was looking for a battery monitor solution for debian-armel..15:59
* Jaffa sees GeneralAntilles and remembers to go looking in yesterday's logs for stuff about his RFC. Too busy at work at the moment to pay attention to IRC all day :-(15:59
* Jaffa also pokes X-Fade cos GeneralAntilles suggested he should15:59
X-FadeJaffa: What can I do for you?15:59
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JaffaX-Fade: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16114&page=2#post138084 in relation to http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/01/13/solving_the_lack_of_qa_and_muliple_repos16:03
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Alendit_juhu, mein female/female usb adapter is here !!!! :)16:04
X-FadeJaffa: I have been working on that all day today ;)16:04
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X-FadeJaffa: And Quim just mailed me about it too ;)16:04
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JaffaX-Fade: cool, excellent :-)16:05
JaffaOf course, given my box is currently suffering somewhat with dying harddrives, mail delivery may be "fun".16:05
X-FadeJaffa: I'm trying to get the stats for extras. So developers can see how popular their app is.16:06
X-FadeJaffa: And am also trying to find out if we can use some auto builder from Nokia, or if we should start making our own..16:06
hrwdoes someone know how to make custom keyboard layouts for maemo?16:07
inzIsn't maemostuff.com misusing the maemo name16:07
hrwadditional ones, not changing present ones16:07
X-Fadehrw: There is an alternative layouts project on garage, I think..16:07
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inzIIRC nokia made a comment that the name maemo should not be used by others than Nokia16:08
hrwX-Fade: arabic/hebrew one?16:08
X-Fadeinz: And all projects that were started before the trademark was active..16:08
X-Fadehrw: I thought there was an other one too.16:08
inzX-Fade, but maemostuff.com was created 30-Jan-0816:08
hrwok16:09
Alendit_i bet there still noone who wants to test offline wikipedia for n8x0? ^^16:09
X-Fadehrw: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/xkblayouts/ ?16:09
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X-Fadeinz: That would violate the trademark.16:09
inzX-Fade, (I registered maemo-hackers.org on 31-May-2005, so I'm not violating ;)16:10
hrwX-Fade: I am there16:10
X-Fadeinz: http://maemo.org/intro/trademarks/16:11
|tbb|aendit where did you get it from (usb gender changer)16:11
Alendit_from amazon16:11
Alendit_or no, ive got it from ebay, but there also one on amazon16:12
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dphil9000What if he pronounces maemo differently?16:12
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jottmae-most-uff? ;)16:15
Jaffamy-mo-stuff - not sure what Mo Stuff is ;-)16:16
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dphil9000itT has the right idea16:16
dphil9000Not using the name may-mo, my-mo, or whatever it is16:17
X-FadeJaffa: How would you think we proceed with extras? Try to get the promoting interface up and gather some sort of Motu group?16:17
JaffaX-Fade: yeah, that's what I'd've said was the next step16:21
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hrwX-Fade: they workaround problem ;(16:28
hrwX-Fade: and replace one of official layouts with own (at least it looks like)16:28
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X-FadeJaffa: I'm looking into https://garage.maemo.org/promoter-beta/interface.py16:32
X-FadeJaffa: But it won't let me in atm ;) I'll see what's up..16:32
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* Jaffa isn't sure about that, TBH. Might be most useful for promoting stuff which the author is too reticent to push to extras (whereas part of my spec included demoting things which weren't good enough for extras ;-))16:35
X-FadeJaffa: Ah, I have access now ;)16:35
X-FadeJaffa: Yeah sure. A group of people should guard the quality. If a package does bad things it should be demoted..16:36
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Takand the author stabbed repeatedly16:42
* Tak apply to quality guard group16:43
Alendit_vote: the coolest thing you can connect to your nokia with usb!16:43
GeneralAntillesA doomsday device.16:43
Alendit_a keyboard is uber16:43
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Alendit_well, something you can byuy on amazon ;)16:44
X-FadeAny people who could help out with coding the promotion/demotion interface in python?16:44
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Alendit_prmotion/demotion?16:44
Alendit_not that i would be a python hacker ^^ im just curious16:44
X-FadeMisha has done a lot of work already, I think he wouldn't mind a helping hand..16:44
X-FadeAlendit_: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-January/013921.html16:45
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TakGeneralAntilles, Alendit_: http://tinyurl.com/yu7tqe16:47
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Bofu2Uquick Q, anyone have any suggestions for a program to stream video form a nokia n810 to a desktop (the built in camera/mic)16:48
Alendit_rofl16:48
Alendit_but this one got no usb &&16:49
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Alendit_^^16:49
_collin_Bofu2U: use gtalk16:49
_collin_just need a gtalk client on your PC16:49
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pupnikremember the system shock hack project?16:49
pupnikwould be wonderful to play ultima underworld games on portables16:49
_collin_then call the PC from your device16:50
lardmanI take back most of my abuse about the built-in GPS, my iBlue couldn't get a lock on my balcony either. The built in got a lock on my 5min trip back to work16:50
hrwdoes someone know is it possible to edit list of chars which appear after press of 'Chr' key (n810)?16:50
Bofu2U_collin_: I thought about that, one pre-req is the PC needs to accept multiple-streams and display them at the same time heh16:50
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Takpupnik: yeah, that's what I was thinking about the other day when I mentioned the UW ports16:50
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_collin_Bofu2U: then take a look at gstreamer16:50
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_collin_Bofu2U: you will need to write code ... I guess16:51
Bofu2Ugstreamer? thanks a lot. :)16:51
|tbb|hi collin16:51
|tbb|have you noticed my request?16:51
Bofu2Uthat was the plan collin, so that works for me. Thanks a lot. :)16:51
jkucould a  N800 owner check the version of 'osso-gpsd' on OS2008 2.2007.50-2?16:51
_collin_|tbb|: what request?16:51
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jku"apt-cache show osso-gpsd" should work16:51
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|tbb|iodine4.1 for bora also, need it for my n770 he16:52
hrw"apt-cache policy" is better16:52
_collin_|tbb|: mmh I would need to install the older sdk ...16:52
_collin_|tbb|: I'll do it if both SDKs work nicely together16:53
hrwjku: hi16:53
X-FadeJaffa, Tak: Do you guys also think that the many repositories problem is also caused by the hassle to upload packages to extras? It is easier to create your own repository?16:53
GeneralAntilles1.0-2516:53
lardmanjku: I got a reply16:53
jkuhrw, right you are (hi!)16:53
_collin_X-Fade: that was my point16:53
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jkuGeneralAntilles, thanks16:53
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jkuthat explains  a _lot_16:53
X-Fade_collin_: Yeah, so we would need a better upload interface too ;)16:54
TakX-Fade: I think that the difficulty to upload packages to extras is /one/ of the causes of the many-repositories problem16:54
hrwjku: I am trying to be main source of hard questions which no one is able to answer16:54
X-FadeTak: yeah, ofcourse ;)16:54
jkulardman,yeah?16:54
lardmanjku: nvd_data may contain the almanac/ephemeris16:54
hrwX-Fade: maemo still lack autobuilder functionality?16:54
lardmanjku: I've added a bug to see if we can get either a yes/no on AGPS or a format for that file to DIY16:55
X-Fadehrw: They use that inside Nokia. But there is nothing available for the community...... yet.16:55
hrwX-Fade: maemo is young.. just 4 years...16:55
hrw;D16:55
lardmanhrw: I thought that was where chinook-compat comes in?16:56
_collin_building is easy16:56
TakI suspect that the primary cause is people not wanting to do anything more than build a deb and cp blah.deb /var/www/maemo16:56
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_collin_dh_make + dpkgbuildpackage16:56
Takno amount of friendlifying garage extras will help that16:56
hrwlardman: the question is 'will maemo use it' rather16:56
lardmaneasy but annoying to have to build lots of deps16:56
jkulardman, good, hope they won't just stone wall16:56
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X-Fade_collin_: Dependencies not so much ;)16:56
lardmanhrw: well if the community start using it, they may see the light16:56
_collin_sure dependencies suck16:56
|tbb|_collin_ if i find someone with bora sdk, will it be  hard to compile the your 4.1 for bora?16:57
_collin_tbb: no it is dh_make + dpkgbuildpackage16:58
suihkulokkithe community is not quite "quality-aware" IMO16:58
trevarthanAnyone know what "megahoc" is? I see it in my wifi connections list everywhere I go.16:58
_collin_suihkulokki: the problem is the GUI16:58
suihkulokkimore like people want to "do a quick hack, show it and forget it"16:58
lardmansuihkulokki: but if those who do build things that are more than a quick hack use OE, and the libs are available for download (what happened to extras?) then perhaps it will grow. Perhaps.16:59
X-Fadesuihkulokki: Yeah, but asking Marius to block all external repositories in the next Application manager version, isn't a solution either ;)16:59
* |tbb| looks out for someone who has bora sdk on hix box? Please say hello ;)16:59
_collin_X-Fade: if this happen many developers will stop makeing stuff17:00
X-Fade_collin_: exactly ;)17:00
suihkulokkiwell it's just classic quality vs quantity then =)17:00
X-FadeSo we would need to make it as easy as possible, but still guard quality..17:00
||cwtrevarthan: sounds like another adhoc viral network (not a virus, viral like viral video) like "Free Public WiFi"17:01
_collin_X-Fade: quality needs people who review/filter17:01
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trevarthan||cw: you don't see it in your connections?17:01
_collin_developers develop/port then some people need to review .. and upload to extras17:01
X-Fade_collin_: Sure, but that is to be done by the community-quality group ;) Via the promotion interface..17:01
JaffaX-Fade: absolutely: it's easier to create a new repo than upload to extras.17:02
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||cwtrevarthan: no, but I don't go to densly populated area's much17:02
_collin_X-Fade: you're laking about maemo.org/downloads ... this is soooo bad /slow17:02
JaffaX-Fade: so that's one of the reasons I suggested a simple web interface which would add it to the CQG (Community-Quality Group)'s queue.17:02
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X-Fade_collin_: We are aware of this ;) Will work on that next week, when I'm in Finland.17:03
_collin_X-Fade: nice17:03
trevarthan||cw: I see it in my connections list when I'm out in the middle of the woods. I don't think it actually exists... :)17:03
X-FadeJaffa: Yep, I think that is the way forward too..17:03
JaffaIt could also source packages over HTTP or from Garage. So the author says "I want to release some files to extras, they're in Garage project xyzzy"17:03
X-FadeJaffa: That would be even better ;)17:03
||cwtrevarthan: what happens is that people see hte open network and join it and save it, but there's no server or router on the network so nothing happens, but their computer save it so when they turn on the PC and finds no wlan to join it makes that one17:03
X-FadeJaffa: But let's keep that for 2.0.17:03
||cwtrevarthan: ah, then YOU joined it once17:03
trevarthanok. that makes sense. so I should delete it then17:04
Tak|tbb|: I still have bora sdk17:04
JaffaX-Fade: agreeed. v3.0 is automatically spotting them in Garage & pushing them to the queue automatically ;-)17:04
Takgarage extras repo is separate from downloads.maemo.org, though17:05
X-FadeTak: Yeah, but obviously I want to link them somehow :)17:05
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X-FadeJaffa: Heh, yeah that would be really nice.17:05
Taksure, but you're not going to do that while the d.m.o performance is like this...17:05
|tbb|tak: would you be that friendly and package the iodine 4.1 (chinook) from collin to bora?17:06
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X-FadeTak: Nope, that is what needs to be fixed first.17:06
Tak|tbb|: link?17:07
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lardmanhrw: how is the building done for the Ansgtrom feeds; that's what we could do with really. Provide packages and people will use them17:08
lardmanhrw: I.e. auto-builder, or someone manually does "bitbake world"17:08
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mickeylanyone know which API maemo uses to emit the key clicks? gstreamer?17:09
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hrwlardman: autobuilder has a list of packages to build.17:10
hrwlardman: oe/contrib/angstrom/build-feed.sh iirc17:10
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lardmanhrw: ok, thanks17:12
lardmanmickeyl: Not gstreamer iirc, the mixing is done in the DSP. Iirc the clicks are produced by alsa/esd/whatever is used nowadays17:12
hrwlardman: 'bitbake world' with OE == disaster17:12
lardmanhrw: and a disaster that takes ages to build too ;)17:13
hrwlardman: and breaks17:13
mickeyllardman: the dsp has hardware mixing?17:13
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lardmanmickeyl: it's a good question, I think not; but I believe that there's a build in mixer task in the DSP17:14
mickeylk, thanks17:14
lardmanThe hw spec sheet for the audio codec is available on the Ti site if you need/want to check17:15
suihkulokkimickeyl: the output of all the tasks on /dev/dsp* are mixed on the dsp17:15
suihkulokkione of the pcm* is reserved for the annoying clicker17:16
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mickeyli see, thank17:16
lardmansuihkulokki: really, it's called from the kernel then?17:16
mickeyls17:16
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suihkulokkilardman: you mean the dsp kernel or linux?17:17
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suihkulokkiwell, either way - I don't know =)17:17
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lardmansuihkulokki: Linux; but don't worry.17:18
* lardman isn't sure he can remember what he thought he heard, let alone explain it17:18
mickeylcu17:19
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Bofu2Uhmm red pill mode work on a nokia n810? I think I'm having one of those "its right in front of my face" moments as to where the "new" button is in the app. manager17:25
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lardmanyes it works17:26
Bofu2Usame instructions as to how to enable? (app manager -> new -> matrix, etc?)17:26
lcddBofu2U: open up the menu in app manager17:26
lardmanyeah, but you need to select the correct menu, the repo list one17:26
Bofu2Ugracias, got it17:28
Bofu2Uthanks for the help guys, really appreciate it17:28
hrwhttp://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/05/localizing-maemo/17:28
pupnikis anybody using gcc 4.x for building in maemo?17:29
pupnik*anybody here17:29
hrwpupnik: I am afraid that normal gcc4 results can not be good on system built with csl gcc317:31
pupnikah ok17:31
lardmanhrw: added a bug for that Polski thing?17:32
lardmanand the character list for that matter17:32
hrwlardman: I will17:32
pupniki find many projects require gcc 3.4 so i am happy we use it17:32
hrwbut as I summarized - its 4 years old system which does not have localization handled17:33
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lardmanhrw: yes, but they do only sell it in certain locales, so while it's annoying, it's also going to be low priority for them17:34
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hrwlardman: as many other stuff17:36
X-Fadehrw: Not sure if it helps, but did you look at HIM? http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/HildonInputMethod17:37
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X-Fadehrw: It should be easy to define new keyboards via HIM. Or even make a plugin for the keyboard.17:39
hrwX-Fade: I can get most of problems in my post handled by hacks17:39
hrwlike having Polish hardware keyboard known as 'Italian' for example17:40
hrwbut it is not solution17:40
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hrwhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289217:49
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Takpolish, italian, whatever ;-P17:50
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hrwTak: ;D17:51
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hrwhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289317:56
hrwnow 2 years to get answer ;d17:56
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Jaffahrw: 2 years in maemo Bugzilla? That's a spring chicken compared with the OS2005 bug #303 which is still open18:01
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hrwJaffa: but my bugs are fresh still so..18:02
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hrwJaffa: I do not expect answer anyway18:02
hrwJaffa: or rather - I will be not surprised if there will be no reply in 2 years18:02
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GeneralAntillesHaha, #303 is too much.18:11
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hrw303 is indeed nice18:15
hrwtoo bad that maemo^Wnokia guys follow 'keep it too simple stupid' way18:15
jottand "keep it closed source"...18:16
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hrwo yes18:17
GeneralAntillesBraindead stuff like this is so infuriating.18:18
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lcddcall the gnu-ites to write us a free clock applet18:24
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derfSo, it looks like the partition table on my internal memory card extends past the end of the device.18:25
derf(on the n810, factory image)18:25
derfSo when I filled it up, it corrupted the file system.18:25
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jottderf: yes it did for me too..18:25
lcddderf: mine was like that too. had to recreate the fs18:25
derfI wish I had known about that _before_ I downloaded half a gig of maps onto it.18:26
lardmanhmm, good to know18:26
derfAnd then wasted a lot of time trying to figure out why maemo-mapper was crashing all the damn time.18:26
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derfAwesome, and gparted crashes.18:31
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lardmanhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=292178 vaguely interesting, but no info on the format itself18:34
lardmanI need to search the Nokia N95 fora and see if anyone's found a file that contains that data from supl.nokia.com18:35
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derfWow, mkfs.ext3 rebooted the device.18:36
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derfI wonder if it succeeded.18:36
X-Fadederf: Don't format your root partition ;)18:36
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derfI was formatting the mmc.18:36
derfWhich better not have been /18:36
X-Fadederf: Were you using swap on mmc?18:36
derfNo.18:37
derfI disabled it.18:37
zoranbefore unmounted it?18:37
derfI was actually doing it over USB.18:37
derfUnmounted on the host.18:37
zorando you have proper module to load?18:38
derfIt doesn't look like it worked.18:38
derfI have no idea... it doesn't ship with at least an ext2 module?18:38
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zoranext3.ko?18:38
derfYes, it does.18:38
zoranload it first18:39
zoranand put appropriate line in fstab18:39
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GeneralAntillesderf, it was, evidently, an issue discovered during testing that somehow made it into the shipping units.18:39
derfOh, fstab. Good idea.18:39
derfIt apparently hardcodes the fstype.18:40
zoranheh18:40
derfzoran: The module appears to be already loaded after boot.18:40
zoranBilly gave it to you?18:40
lcddthe patched osso-gpsd didn't seem to improve my gps experience much. still not getting a fix while walking outside18:40
zoranI recall problems formating in ext3 on gregale18:41
zoranon the native device, derf18:41
zoranext2 went fine18:41
derfWait... why does fstab have it as /dev/mmcblk0p1 mounted at /media/mmc1, when it's always shown up as /media/mmc2?18:41
derfzoran: I said, I formatted over USB.18:41
lardmanlcdd: it won't affect cold starts, in fact it shouldn't even affect warm starts as gpsd shouldn't really have anything to do with reloading the last saved position18:42
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zoranderf, k18:42
derfAll I had on the device as mkfs.vfat.18:42
derfAnd, you know, screw that.18:42
zoranI just think backward abount my problems18:42
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jotthm mkfs.ext3 worked fine on my device (as did an fdisk i compiled)18:42
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zoranyes, I recall proper tool in repo18:42
lcddlardman: i see18:42
zoranhave a min?18:43
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zorane2fsprogs or alike18:44
zoranit should make ext2/318:45
zoranmkfs.ext318:45
derfIn what repository?18:45
derfapt-cache shows nothing.18:45
zorantake a look: repository/maemo.org/pool/whatever/free/e/18:46
lardmanhttp://cms.openmobilealliance.org/technical/release_program/docs/SUPL/V1_0-20070615-A/OMA-TS-ULP-V1_0-20070615-A.pdf p11 :)18:46
lardmanfor those interested in AGPS datasources that is18:46
zoranI used included app to repartition my mmc18:46
zoransfdisk or something18:47
zoranand made swap as partition also18:47
derfI didn't even know there was one. And I refuse to use FAT if I don't have to.18:47
zoran:)18:47
zoranBilly will catch you!18:48
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derfNo, it just sucks.18:49
zoranhm, what?18:49
derfFAT. The filesystem.18:49
zorandon't make it then, make ext2/318:49
derfThat's what I'm doing.18:49
derfFound e2fsprogs.18:49
zoranmaybe is should be called vfat?18:49
zoranfat is 16 bit18:50
zoranshort names etc18:50
derfOr 12 bit.18:50
derfOr whatever.18:50
zoranyeah18:50
derfIt's all crap.18:50
zoranagree18:50
X-Fadelardman: Looks interesting!18:50
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zoranI bought new 2 gb flash forom kingston and found it 16 bit fat formatted18:51
X-Fadelardman: But that AUTH part looks bad :(18:51
zoransupport service confirmed that and said "reformat then, you picky"18:51
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lardmanX-Fade: well it's a start at least18:52
derfmount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc1 failed18:52
X-Fadelardman: But you should first be certain that the gpsdriver supports it.18:52
zoranwhat fs?18:52
derfext318:52
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zorank, make it after reboot18:53
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lardmanX-Fade: indeed, we need to know the format of nvd_data18:53
derfI _did_ make it after a reboot.18:53
zoranto let device to see it as new partition18:53
zorank18:53
zoranwhatdo you have after listing modules?18:53
lcddthe internal card is mounted to mmc2 by default18:53
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zoranderf, would you, for science sake, format in ext2, just to see18:54
zoranand load ext2.ko18:54
jottext3 mounts as ext2..18:54
jottand ext3 works fine here ;) (on internal card)18:55
derfOkay, I rebooted again and this time it worked.18:55
derfI don't know why.18:55
derfOn mmc2, no less.18:55
jottah nice..18:55
* |tbb| != good at math18:55
derfInstead of mmc1 like fstab says.18:55
derfI have no idea where it's getting that from.18:55
zoranpartition table is taken in account18:55
derfActually, it rewrote my /etc/fstab, wiping out my changes.18:56
derfThat's pretty damn annoying.18:56
zoranman...18:56
zoranI never sae that18:56
zoran*saw18:56
derfOr I changed it back to vfat and forgot, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.18:56
zoranvfat is correct on linux, fat on bsd18:57
jottthe automount stuff on the n8x0 is quite agressive18:57
derfI've been up for 19 hours, so I may not necessarily be trustworthy.18:57
derfzoran: No, ext3 is correct.18:57
zoranit found your fs-s and changed fstab?18:57
X-FadeHmm why did I miss this auto-builder that Nokia uses. And source is available: http://www.bifh.org/wiki/sbdmock18:58
derfIt both mounted the ext3 card as /media/mmc2, and changed fstab to have a vfat entry for the same device as /media/mmc1.18:58
zoranderf, I thought about ms fs recently18:58
derfSo I really have no idea what is going on.18:58
derfuser@Nokia-N810-42-19 ~ $ cat /etc/fstab18:58
derfrootfs  /               rootfs  defaults,errors=remount-ro,noatime      0 018:58
derf/dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 018:58
zorancould you see where is it places, mmxblkp0 or what?18:58
derfuser@Nokia-N810-42-19 ~ $ mount18:58
derf...18:59
derf/dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)18:59
jottderf: i worked around it by having a small partition in front of the main partition ;)18:59
zoranvfat should be the very first?18:59
derfNo, I mean it works, but it makes no sense.18:59
jottyeah it's broken i think initfs messes around there18:59
derfWell, maybe it works.18:59
zoransome daemon changed it for it's onw behalf19:00
derfmaemo-mapper seems to be downloading maps onto it okay.19:00
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zoranif I would find that behaveour on my home bsd, I 'd reinstall it!19:00
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jottzoran: sounds like an infinte loop if you would do the same on the n810 ;)19:01
zoranderf, the same partition is seen twice as 2 diff types19:01
zorancould you say correct partition?19:02
derfNo.19:02
zoransec!19:02
derfThe partition is listed in /etc/fstab as one type and one location.19:02
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zoran/dev/mmcblk0p1  /media/mmc1 vfat19:02
derfBut actually mounted as the correct type in a different location.19:02
zoran/dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)19:02
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derfWhoops, wrote some stuff into the wrong channel...19:04
derf11:43:05 < derf> It's almost 2AM and I'd like to be up by 7 with maps ready to go.19:04
derf11:43:10 < derf> So, you know....19:04
derf11:43:20 < derf> Not into compiling things tonight.19:04
derf11:45:10 < derf> [   64.125000] JFFS2 notice: (403) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0a777d34: read 0x14eacb25, calculated 0xe560d948.19:04
derf11:45:10 < derf> [   66.906250] JFFS2 notice: (403) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x08ef0754: read 0xa1a0966c, calculated 0x16df4dbb.19:04
derf11:45:19 < derf> Nice, looks like the rootfs is corrupt, also.19:04
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zoranif you formatted mmc1, how it was seen as mmc219:05
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derfzoran: I didn't format mmc1.19:05
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derfI formated /dev/mmcblk0p119:05
zoraneh?19:05
zoranmy bad19:05
derfWhich has always been mounted as /media/mmc219:05
derfI don't know why it's listed as /media/mmc1 in /etc/fstab19:05
zoranfollow the link and see19:06
zoranor change fstab by the hand19:06
derfI _did_ change /etc/fstab.19:06
derfIt changed it back on reboot.19:06
zorangreen men?!19:06
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derfMore like gremlins.19:07
zoransome sudo crap?19:07
derfWho knows?19:07
zoranI just hate sudo19:07
coronadoes anyone have an idea how to set up a default proxy for any connection not just on a per connection basis?19:07
zoranprivoxy?19:08
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coronafound that too - but thought there might be a better way - since it means wasting some memory and cpu power just for redirection19:09
zoransome option in ifconfig?19:09
zoranlinux has something to do that in conf file for wifi0 or alike19:10
zoranhave no device handy19:10
coronabasically it would be perfect to have a way to choose a default proxy if the connection does not have more specific proxy settings19:11
zoranshouldn't the proxy be the ap?19:11
coronahm - never heard of proxy settings in ifconfig actually19:11
zoranthere are some strange options in bsd version19:12
zoranbut, you _have_ to go through ap19:13
coronano - actually when I'm in an "insecure WLAN" (Internet Cafe, whatever) I want certain traffic through my openvpn tunnel to a secured squid proxy19:13
zoranand route should have it as default for the first time19:13
coronaso I'm going "through" the AP but crypted through my tunnel19:13
zoranlayer 3?19:13
coronacurrently I configure the "secure" sites with a proxy.pac file on a webserver - but it is annoying to enter this for every new wlan connection19:14
lcddcorona: how is openvpn on the tablet working for you?19:14
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zoranit is ssl/tls19:14
hrwbye19:14
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Alendit_where do you get vnc for os2008?19:14
Alendit_i mean vnc server19:15
coronalcdd, working perfectly - constantly pings its vpn server and reconnects as soon as I reach the next wifi spot. I use this for example to connect Xchat so a vpn secured IRC bouncer - as soon as the tunnel is up xchat reconnects and the irc proxy gives me an update on what I was missing19:16
coronamiau that is actually19:16
GeneralAntillesAlendit_, google. ;)19:17
Alendit_:P19:17
fysaooo19:17
GeneralAntillesor garage19:17
fysaOpera Mobile 9.519:17
GeneralAntilleshttps://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2780/x11vnc_0.9.3-1_armel.deb19:17
fysaLinux beta soon?19:17
fysahttp://www.engadget.com/2008/02/05/video-opera-mobile-9-5-redesign-is-lickity-quick-slick/19:17
coronazoran, it is ssl/tls?19:18
zoranas I know19:18
zoranuses that19:18
coronaI prefer to have my unencrypted traffic through openvpn19:18
zorancorrect me if I'm wrong19:18
coronazoran, you mean openvpn? yes, correct19:18
lcddcorona: i guess i'm going to try it then19:19
Alendit_thx19:19
zoranfine way to be safe and look sexy at public place19:19
coronaactually tried to fiddle with the proxy settings in about:config of the browser - but the proxy settings obviously are ignored in favor of the "per connection" proxy settings19:20
coronaper connection is fine actually but I would love to have a global override19:21
zorandefault route may be said to use forword/default19:21
zoranbefore wpa_supplicant19:22
zoranbefore dhclient19:22
coronaactually I could have the openvpn tunnel as my default route - but that would mean that I'm "as slow" as the tunnel. Being in NY for example and do your surfing via tunnel in germany is not an optimal setup (just for banking maybe ;))19:24
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pupnikhow can i hook my router up to my microwave oven to share my data with the entire town?19:24
pupnikoop wrong channel19:25
coronathe NSA probably has a law against that actually ;)19:25
zoranchicken inside also19:25
TakNSA is above the law!19:25
GeneralAntillesThe NSA is the law.19:25
coronasorry - I meant "divine ruling"19:25
zoranpupnik, if the explosion is strong enough, whole town would know19:26
proctoNSA can't actually do anything to anyone19:26
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proctothey can just give info to FBI or SS or now DHS, who are the ones that will be breaking down your door19:27
zorankeep the door open and confuse them19:27
zoranthey will walk around in panic then19:27
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coronaI will flee using my openvpn tunnel when the break through my door ...19:28
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zorancorona, as gentleman, let them go first19:29
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coronamaybe I can mind-melt with a floppy disk19:30
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zoranhm, floppies are still around?19:30
coronayepp - they just label them "SD-Card" now19:31
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zoransome1 is knocking on my door. corona, they missed the continet!19:31
corona"duck and cover"19:32
zoranI'll send them to you19:32
zorantall, 2 arms, two legs...19:32
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zoran4 eyes19:32
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corona"holding a tablet" to make it perfect19:32
zoranand has floppy high in the air19:33
zoranthey will recognize you if you put "table" sticker on it19:33
* corona . o O ( feeling safe now )19:34
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* zoran gone to feed dragons19:35
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rm_youwow... JKDefrag is like the best thing ever.20:07
ashleemwhy?20:07
rm_youtook my drive from 900,000 fragments (like... 85% fragmented!!!!!) to < 3% fragmented... in only 8 hours20:08
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elb8 hours?20:08
elbI hope that drive was completely full20:08
elbor freaking huge20:08
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smackpotatotime for my ddaily repeat question20:11
smackpotatodoes anyone know how i can disconect the core pointer from the stylus20:12
rm_youelb: yes and yes]20:13
rm_youelb: i was previously running Defraggler for 30ish hours... with almost no impact20:13
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smackpotatocool give me a hint20:14
GeneralAntillessmackpotato != elb20:14
rm_youelb: the visual representation of my drive's fragmentation was a huge solid red square <_<20:14
GeneralAntillesWhat fs?20:15
rm_youNTFS <_<20:15
GeneralAntillesHa20:15
GeneralAntillesFail.20:15
rm_youi hate my life.20:15
smackpotatosorry the white brain cells were not connecting to the gray20:15
rm_youI have a job, job == windows, at least in this case <_<20:15
GeneralAntillesCan't you just run a VM or something? :P20:15
rm_youheh20:16
rm_younot a terrible idea20:16
rm_youi've thought about it...20:16
elbdid you notice a performance improvement, after degragmenting?20:16
rm_youbut compiling the CDs for the software already takes like 6 hours <_< i'm afraid of what putting that in a VM would do20:17
rm_youelb: YES20:17
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rm_youelb: my computer was essentially unusable20:17
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elbnice20:17
rm_youelb: it was taking windows picture viewer up to 3 minutes to load a 500kb jpg... programs were crashing.... double clicking on "My Computer" was taking upwards of a minute to come up.... and any clicking on the taskbar or desktop meant at least 30 seconds of lag and apps not responding20:18
rm_youi thought my hard disk was failing <_<20:18
GeneralAntillesHaha20:18
GeneralAntillesWindows is hilarious fail.20:18
rm_youbut i rebooted into an ubuntu livecd and did a bunch of SMART tests, but everything came up clean <_<20:18
lcddit's not only windows20:18
lcddwe had a nfs server which ground to halt due to fragmentation20:18
rm_youthen i looked at my drive fragmentation :/20:19
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dphil9000claws-mail doesn't flash the led when imap messages arrive from gmail?20:20
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jkuhey guys, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this gpsd-problem, and during the research it has turned up that people seem to have different package versions even on same OS revisions (without any knowledge of an upgrade)...20:30
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GeneralAntillesI blame Nokia.20:31
jkuI've got reports of osso-gpsd version 1.0-23 and 1.0-25 on OS 50-220:31
jku(not just osso-gpsd, but that was one example)20:31
jkucould anyone check if they actually have osso-gpsd 1.0-23 on OS v50-220:32
jkuIt shouldn't be possible as osso-software-version  2.2007.50-2 depends on osso-gpsd 1.0-25 but still people on ITT forums report such configurations20:33
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elbI've noticed that people on ITT report a lot of things20:33
inzmy 50-2 has 25 at least20:34
jkuelb, yeah, but not just one person20:34
LoCusFmine has 2320:34
LoCusFon 50-220:34
mgedmintheory: people add the SDK repository and then run apt-get upgrade20:34
jkuLoCusF, and osso-software-version = 2.2007.50-220:35
jkuoh, ok20:35
mgedminno, apt wouldn't just downgrade...20:35
LoCusFum it was, until I upgraded to your version, joku20:35
LoCusF*jku20:35
mgedminjku: could you run apt-cache policy osso-gpsd on your tablet/20:35
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mgedminmine shows just one available version (1.0-25), which is the currently installed one and not available from any repo20:35
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mgedminosso-software-version = 2.2007.50-220:36
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mgedmineh, that request was meant for LoCusF20:36
jkumgedmin, same here (although my currently installed version is my modified one)20:36
jku:) thought so20:36
mgedminand before he upgraded :)20:36
LoCusFmgedmin: I've got 1.0-2320:36
LoCusFmgedmin: from repository.maemo.org20:36
LoCusFI had20:37
mgedminso, it is the older SDK version replacing the newer device version somehow20:37
LoCusFlol20:37
jkuthat just shouldn't happen...20:37
GeneralAntillesThis is maemo we're talking about here. :P20:37
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jkuI mean osso-software-version depends on 1.0-25 so it can't be downgraded20:38
jku...even if you tried20:39
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mgedminwell, an apt-get dist-upgrade might just remove osso-software-version20:39
LoCusFunless some images had 1.0-23 and some had 1.0-2520:40
LoCusFwhich is unlikely :)20:40
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jkuanyone with osso-gpsd 1.0-23 currently installed on the latest image?20:41
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smackpotatoyep jku20:48
blafaselNope, running your patched .25 iirc20:49
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jkusmackpotato,  yesh, don't do anything! you're a research subject now20:49
elbheh20:50
jkusmackpotato, what's your "osso-software-version" version?20:50
smackpotato1.0-25520:50
smackpotato1.0-2520:51
smackpotatoshacky hand20:51
jkuno, I meant a package named "osso-software-version"20:51
smackpotatoi installed a patch already20:51
jkusmackpotato, ok, nevermind20:51
Blafasel;)20:52
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smackpotatoit only helped for a little while20:54
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oil_this is pretty interesting. sharing S60 packet data with WLAN to other devices (http,https only) http://www.joikuspot.com/JoikuSpot_WhitePaper.pdf21:02
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fysajohnx: you around?21:40
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czroil_, I saw two of those today22:05
czrit's a ad-hoc wlan implementation really.22:05
oil_with a proxy I guess22:05
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dererkHi! :D22:08
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dererkI've a problem and I've a n770 I need to reinstall from 0. Do you know which is the best practise for this?22:08
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dragornreflash it22:09
dererkdragorn, how?22:09
dererkdragorn, (link?)22:09
dragornwith flasher3.  docs are on the maemo siet22:09
dererkchecking22:09
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XATRIXhi.....is it possible to change the default WM to another....for example to OpenBox ?22:10
Lateralusis there a file or something which controls which applets are loaded when the desktop starts?22:10
LateralusI have an applet killing the desktop process everytime I run af-sb-init22:10
Takdererk: http://tinyurl.com/2bunoh22:11
dererkfuck... nokia site seems to be not processing php files22:11
dererkTak, unfortuntelly, all links to nokia.com to php files are not being processed22:12
dererklike this http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php22:12
Takworking fine from here...22:13
Takyou don't get the page to enter your "product id" ‽22:13
dererkdoes it?22:13
dererkdamn....22:13
dererkTak, no, not at all22:14
GeneralAntillesWorks fine here, too.22:14
GeneralAntillesThat's just for OS2006, though.22:14
dererkhttp://paste.debian.net/4850622:14
dererkgrrrrrrr22:14
XATRIXis it possible to change the default WM to another....for example to OpenBox ?22:15
Takhow about http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php22:15
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dererkTak, not either22:15
dererkTak, are you browsing it from the maemo box ?22:16
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lcuk_3dererk, what IP does tablets-dev.nokia.com resolve to?22:16
dererk$ host tablets-dev.nokia.com22:16
dererktablets-dev.nokia.com is an alias for tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net.22:16
Takdererk: no, firefox on a debian workstation22:16
dererkTak, damn :/22:16
lcuk_3tablets-dev.nokia.com on mine is: a1341.g.akamai.net [84.53.178.99]22:16
dererkoh22:17
dererkthat's it22:17
dererkI'm pointing to other server22:17
dererk$ host tablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net.22:17
dererktablets-dev.nokia.com.edgesuite.net is an alias for a1341.g.akamai.net22:17
dererk$ host a1341.g.akamai.net.22:17
dererka1341.g.akamai.net has address 207.138.82.4622:17
dererklcuk_3, thanks :)22:18
lcuk_3dns problem as the rest of nokia seems to have, akamai are screwed...22:18
pupnikaha online chess for tablets now possible:  http://www.v7f.eu/public/n800/chess/22:18
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Blafaselpupnik: Nice22:27
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giskardhello22:39
giskarddo you know how i can fix that  http://paste.debian.net/48509?22:40
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lcuk_3the problem appears (tho i am certainly no expert in such matters) that your scratchbox environment is still running22:42
lcuk_3on my vmware box, it says the following to stop it:22:42
giskardi never started it22:42
giskardi only installed it22:42
lcuk_3you could just try and stop it anyway22:42
lcuk_3af-sb-init.sh stop22:42
* lcuk_3 is working blind and just doing what he would do given same command line output22:43
giskardwhere i can find this script?22:44
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Redline`anyone else notice that if you configure MSN/AIM within accounts, and you have the IT in offline mode with keys disabled (sleep mode, more or less), battery life is greatly reduced?22:44
giskardbrb22:45
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maddlerheu all...22:46
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giskardnah it doesn't work22:49
giskard[21:48][giskard@piton:~/src]$ sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop22:50
giskardStopping Scratchbox: umount, binfmt_misc.22:50
giskard[21:49][giskard@piton:~/src]$ sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start22:50
giskardStarting Scratchbox: binfmt_misc, mount.22:50
giskard[21:49][giskard@piton:~/src]$22:50
giskardi can't login22:50
giskardhttp://paste.debian.net/4851122:50
lcuk_3there are other alternatives to try, the error itself comes up in google22:50
lcuk_3for instance: sb-conf killall22:50
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giskardYou dont have active target in scratchbox chroot22:51
* lcuk_3 is trying to be all zen tonight whilst pulling his hair out at his own damned problem22:52
giskardnah it does't work22:52
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b0unc3giskard: try echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled22:53
giskardit works22:54
giskardthank you22:54
b0unc3np22:54
giskardor maybe... grazie ;)22:55
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fredsanHi.23:01
fredsanCan anyone tell me if ConIC is supposed to work under Scratchbox?23:01
fredsanI'm looking at trying to add some features to Maemo Mapper, but the Internet connectivity doesn't seem to be working in my environment.23:02
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dererkoooooooooook23:03
`0660i don't think it does23:04
dererkI can't use flasher utility either23:04
* dererk is really fucked up today23:04
fredsanIs there some recommended method of developing/testing apps that need Internet connectivity?23:04
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desrtfredsan; use automake's "make internet" target23:05
desrtfelipec; it has an al-gore.m4 script23:05
`0660if i recall right, it shouldn't be more than couple of lines of code to add the internet connectivity to your apps23:05
`0660if even that23:05
desrts/felipec/fredsan/23:06
infobotdesrt meant: fredsan; it has an al-gore.m4 script23:06
desrtinfobot; uhm... thanks, i guess23:06
fredsanWhen I run "make internet", all I get is a series of tubes.23:06
dererkTak, lcuk_3, how could i know which lastest version I could flash on my n77023:07
dererk?23:07
desrtfredsan; erm?23:07
desrtcheck to make sure that your al-gore.m4 isn't a symlink to ted-stevens.m423:07
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fredsanI'll have to check on that.23:07
lcuk_3dererk, i wouldnt know, ive never even touched a 770 let alone know what to install on it23:08
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GeneralAntillesThe latest version on the OS2007HE page is the lastest-latest.23:10
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GeneralAntillesThe latest version on the OS2006 page is the lastest-"stable".23:10
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dererkGeneralAntilles, would any of them run on a 770 box?23:11
GeneralAntillesOS2006 ONLY runs on the 770.23:11
GeneralAntillesand OS2007HE is the 770 version of OS2007.23:11
dererkI understand23:12
dererkGeneralAntilles, then both will world, wouldn't they?23:12
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GeneralAntillesSee above.23:12
* dererk wants to be redundant on purpose23:12
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roeanyone know of an open source gps routing program? or is the nokia solution the way to acheive routing23:13
GeneralAntillesmaemo mapper23:14
roewon't that just follow a route that you import?  Will it generate a route on the fly?  I don't think the maemo mapper stores road information with the maps23:16
Jaffa...doesn't *really* do routing (it fakess it)23:16
GeneralAntillesAh, you want turn-by-turn.23:16
roeaye23:16
GeneralAntillesThen, at the moment, no.23:16
GeneralAntillesUnless you have EDGE or 3G or summuch.23:16
roeany interesting projects to watch?23:16
fredsanMapper will do turn-by-turn.  But you need Internet connectivity.23:16
roeI have 3G23:16
GeneralAntillesIt'll update the route on-the-fly, then.23:17
GeneralAntillesNot quite as polished as real turn-by-turn23:17
GeneralAntillesbut it's free.23:17
fredsanYou can go to "Route/Download..." and enter in your destination address using current coordinates as your starting location.  It'll download driving directions from the net.23:17
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roecan't it store that map info, instead of downloading it23:17
Hrwhi23:17
GeneralAntillesgpx routes and map data are two different things.23:17
Hrwanother l10n question23:18
dererkGeneralAntilles, Pal, I can't find neither OS2007HE nor OS2006 at nokia's site23:18
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GeneralAntillesBoth can either be cached or downloaded on-the-fly.23:18
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Hrwwhere does maemo keeps dictionary?23:18
GeneralAntillesdererk, buddy, Tak gave you both links above.23:18
dererkpufff, you're right23:19
dererkGeneralAntilles, I'm partially stupid today :)23:20
dererkROTFL @ "FIASCO" image23:21
dererkI don't know in english, but in spanish, "fiasco" means nothing good :P23:21
Hrwderek: but what it mean in finnish?23:22
GeneralAntillesI still haven't managed to find the expansion of that acronym.23:22
dererkhahahaha23:22
JuhazHrw, nothing23:22
Hrwdid someone ever tried to add dictionary for other language then provided ones?23:23
dererkAm I partially-blind, or the firm of HE seems to be more than 80mb ?23:23
||cwdererk: fiasco in english is borrow from spanish, roughly the same meaning still23:24
Hrwis it a problem dererk?23:24
dererk||cw, hehehehe23:24
Hrwfiasko is also present in Polish23:25
dererkHrw, well, it's about a the same size of a Debian bussiness netinstall image23:25
GeneralAntilles~30MB of PDFs and ~20MB of audio/video.23:25
dererkwhich it's really a lot23:25
dererkGeneralAntilles, puf puf puf puf23:25
dererkgrrr23:25
Hrwdererk: and it contain lot of crap23:25
GeneralAntillesJust delete it after it's flashed.23:26
Hrwlike appmanager..23:26
dererkGeneralAntilles, I hope I could :)23:26
GeneralAntillesand think of all the trees Nokia is saving by distributing digital copies of the user manuals.23:26
Hrwor crappy locale support23:26
* dererk 's BW is really crappy23:27
lcuk_3nokia is saving trees by giving digital copies, but then asking akamai to burn coal to keep worldwide cache of servers running so we can get them ;)23:27
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dererkGeneralAntilles, do you think the flushing process it's "dangerous" ?23:27
GnutoN810hi23:27
GeneralAntillesflushing? Down the toilet?23:27
Hrwelo gnuto23:27
dererklol!23:27
dererkflashing * :)23:28
GeneralAntillesIf so, yes.23:28
GeneralAntillesNo, flashing is not dangerous.23:28
lcuk_3CORE DUMP!23:28
dererkGeneralAntilles, thanks :)23:28
GeneralAntillesI've done it somewhere in the realm of 4-dozen times.23:28
GeneralAntillesNever once had a failure.23:28
dererkCool23:28
Hrwunless you flash whole fiasco on 10% of battery and no charger23:28
dererkI could breath slower23:28
lcuk_3re: the flashing process, does the flasher initalisation get replaced with each flash - ie is it technically possible to completely bork 810?23:29
GeneralAntillesEven then, you just charge it and start over.23:29
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lcuk_3if it doesnt get replaced, what if they had a bug with their "insert usb, switch on and hold down home key when you see usb icon"?23:30
GeneralAntillesThe NOLO flasher isn't on the USB-accessible sectors23:30
dererkI wonder why "INSTALL" file at Nokia's server says "sudo flasher"23:30
dererkIsn't it supposed to be run on the PC ?23:30
GeneralAntillesSome machines will require root permissions to use USB.23:30
GeneralAntillesNo.23:30
dererkGeneralAntilles, ah! got it23:30
Hrwlike my Debian boxes23:30
GeneralAntillesflasher-3.0 is for Linux.23:30
lcuk_3dererk, there is a usb flasher tool, or a windows update wizard23:30
dererkHrw, add yourself to cdrom :P23:30
dererkgrrr23:30
dererkHrw, add yourself to plugdev23:31
lcuk_3windows update is posh and user friendly and will even download new firmware for you23:31
Hrwdererk: i am in many broups23:31
Hrwgroups23:31
Hrw~curse n810 keyboard23:31
GeneralAntillesYeah, but you can't set R&D flags with the stinky Windows flasher. :P23:31
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, n810 keyboard !23:31
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dererklcuk_3, oh, thanks23:31
lcuk_3gen, why would i need R&D? i have root23:31
Hrwr&d should be settable from n810 itself23:32
dererkGeneralAntilles, but isn't supposed that I should run it into my pc, connected to the nokia box throw usb cable?23:32
* dererk appollogies but what's to be double-checked23:32
GeneralAntillesTurn off watchdogs, turn on the serial port, etc.23:32
dererkwants*23:32
lcuk_3dererk, is your desktop pc windows or linux?23:33
dererklcdd, Debian Linux23:33
Hrwgeneral: serialport... they cant put it in worse place..23:33
dererklcuk_3, *23:33
Hrwnokia service box needed just to get serial port..23:33
lcuk_3then you need the linux flasher, the windows one will not work for you as you know.   (maybe though some kind soul would setup a VMware box with windows on it so you can run the windows flash wizard)23:34
fysaNiMH is a farce.23:34
GeneralAntillesMeh, the serial port is for recovering the device during repair.23:34
lcuk_3a farce for good or evil?23:35
fysaevil.23:35
GeneralAntillesIt's in a perfectly fine place for that purpose.23:35
fysathe nonusage discharge rate of NiMH is bullshit.  they should not be manufactured.23:35
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lcuk_3but if it borks before you have enabled rd then your are basically screwed right?23:35
GeneralAntillesfysa, buy those new NiMHs23:35
Hrwgeneral: unless you want do some kernel hacking...23:35
fysaI wonder how mucb power is wasted with people recharging NiMH batteries that discharged themselves.23:35
* dererk finishing download **hope everything goes ok** :S23:35
BlafaselHmm.. It's "normal" that the N810 insists that my flat moves at 5-10km/h in different direction, right?23:35
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fysalipoly is the future.23:36
lcuk_3lol Blafasel mine tells me that23:36
lcuk_3i get dizzy looking at it23:36
||cwBlafasel: given that gps signal is weak indoors, yes23:36
fysasorry, I'm doing my annual wire untangling session and that just came to mind.23:36
lcuk_3lipo only has limited discharge count, they get hot and work best from full use to drain cycles23:36
lcuk_3dont they?23:37
GeneralAntillesfysa, you want the Sanyo Eneloops.23:37
* lcuk_3 has a helicopter which said to treat lipo like that23:37
Blafasel||cw: 4th floor, old house, bad insulation (right word?).. This is as colse to "outside" as one could get ;)23:37
fysaanyone want my Skype promo card?23:37
GeneralAntillesGPS works best LoS.23:37
||cwold house = good wood23:37
fysa3 months of unlimited calls.23:37
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BlafaselLoS?23:38
GeneralAntillesfysa, think on the wasted energy of throwing away alkalines all the time. ;)23:38
||cwwood has water in it23:38
BlafaselLine of sight?23:38
GeneralAntillesLine of Sight23:38
* Hrw -> bed23:38
HrwBye23:38
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lcuk_3you know: people in the real world wouldnt be bothered if gps took time, my missus thought it didnt lock because "it must be busy" :)23:38
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GeneralAntilles"it's thinking"23:39
GeneralAntilles<_>23:39
fysahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_self-discharge_NiMH_battery23:39
lcuk_3no, as in engaged tone on the phones23:39
lcuk_3busy time of day23:39
GeneralAntillesOh23:39
GeneralAntillesHaha23:39
||cwto common people gps is magic23:40
||cwit's amsing that it works at all to them23:40
GeneralAntillesfysa, all the hard-data reviews I've read of them show that they're actually a little better than Sanyo claims.23:40
GeneralAntillesI bought a bunch of them.23:40
GeneralAntillesWork really nicely.23:40
fysanice23:40
lcuk_3common people your device must send a signal to the gps sat itself23:40
fysawhich charger do you use?23:40
GeneralAntillesSome RadioShack slow-charge unit from the 90s.23:41
fysaare they good enough for Wii controllers?23:41
GeneralAntillesYeah, I switched my 4 controllers over. ;)23:41
fysayou try the Wii charging station23:41
fysathe wiimote charging station?23:41
lcuk_3ihave you seen the replacement battery cover/battery unit with a dock for wiimote?23:41
fysayeah23:41
GeneralAntillesWish Nintendo had seen fit to provide a rechargeable solution like the 360 controllers, though.23:41
GeneralAntillesI've never once had a 3rd-party console product that I was satisfied with.23:42
fysathe 360 isn't too far off?  they have battery pods and can use AA batteries23:42
fysaI do agree though.23:42
GeneralAntillesand rechargeable packs that charge over USB.23:43
NaviA first party solution would be nice. I would hate it if they used a proprietary battery, though.23:43
* fysa smacks Nokia silly23:43
GeneralAntillesYou!23:43
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fysaUSB charging....23:43
NaviI used to hang with the GP2X crowd, so I'm biased against them batteriez23:44
GeneralAntilles360's wired controllers are just USB.23:44
lcuk_3you couldnt get enough elecrtons through the tiny usb plug ;)23:44
* GeneralAntilles uses a 360 controller on his computer.23:44
fysayeah23:44
* lcuk_3 uses a GeneralAntilles on his 360.23:44
NaviYou guys made me accidentally open my battery cover to my phone :/23:44
fysahahaha23:44
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GeneralAntillesI'm ready for some sort of tesla machine that I can stick in the middle of every room that'll power all the devices in my house.23:46
lcuk_3your cat would be like the energizer bunny23:47
GeneralAntillesThink of the plasma!23:48
fysapowered by human blood23:48
lcuk_3lol23:48
NaviDamned BluZ23:49
NaviBlueZ*23:50
* dererk cursing damn f#cked nokia servers23:52
lcuk_3dererk, could you try a different dns server so you get alternative akamai machines to use?23:54
dererklcuk_3, I tryied about 1023:54
dererk(not kidding)23:54
lcuk_3did you flush your local cache?23:54
lcuk_3(dns cache i mean...)23:54
dererklcuk_3, I didn't, but I used different resolving methods23:55
dererk(i'm not root here)23:55
lcuk_3is it the flash image you are after?23:55
dererkyes23:56
dererkI'm downloading it from a terrific slow adsl connection throw ssh23:56
lcuk_3which one are you looking for and which locale are you23:56
dererklcuk_3, don't worry, I'm about half on it23:56
lcuk_3perhaps someone will know a mirror or at least will give you full filename so you can google23:56
dererklcuk_3, thanks, but really, don't worry23:57
dererkI appreciate it23:57
lcuk_3im not worried... i got my latest flash via torrent tho - nokia servers piss a lot of people off23:57
dererkohhhhh23:57
dererkgreat to hear it's not just me23:57
lcuk_3:) welcome to nokia internet tablet world23:58
dererklooooooooool23:58

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