IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-02-03

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|tbb1everytime i try to ssh into my tablet it takes a long time before the sshd ask me for a password, what could be that problem?00:59
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proteoushow long01:00
proteousturn on verbose when you connect and see what's going on01:00
proteousssh -v -v01:00
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melmoth|ttb1 reverse dns timeout ?01:00
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pupnikhow many pizzas will you eat for the rest of your life?01:03
|tbb|debug1: An invalid name was supplied01:04
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|tbb|debug1: An invalid name was supplied01:04
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|tbb|it hangs there01:07
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proteousedit the /etc/hosts file01:09
|tbb|from tablet ? and what exactly01:09
proteousone sec here01:10
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proteoustake a look at that01:13
|tbb|that worked thx01:17
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proteousI don't know all the answers but my google-foo is strong01:22
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|tbb|havent know about ssh -v ;)01:23
proteouswhy are motherboard manufacturers websites always the slowest crapiest sites to use01:25
crashmat1ixproteous: I wondered about that often too01:25
proteousyou want to download the latest drivers!!! Muaahahahha, eat this cold fusion error!!01:25
proteoussupermicros is not working right01:26
proteousthe asus usa site is super super slow01:26
proteousthe abit site is a joke01:26
crashmat1ixI 'solved' the asus site stuff by hitting the russian mirror of the english site01:26
crashmat1ixworked somewhat faster01:26
proteousand the time you usualy want to use them is when you are trying to update a newly assembled computer, you just waited through a long ass install process and are already impatient01:27
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proteousI blame it on supermicros usage of SQLserver01:28
proteousSQLserver and coldfusion01:29
proteousa one two punch to the gut01:29
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SterlingIs this the appropriate channel for maemo/tablet related support?01:36
proteousit's not offical nokia support01:36
lardman|scrabblenight all01:36
proteousbut feel free to ask questions01:36
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proteoustoo late01:36
proteouswe are all proud nokia tablet owners01:37
SterlingI've got a 770 running os2006. I'm getting a "memory card corrupted" message in control panel, memory. What should the partition table look like for /dev/mmcblk0 ?01:37
proteousdo you have the wifi patch installed?01:39
SterlingI'm not sure. How can I check?01:39
proteousif you didn't install it yourself then it's not installed01:39
proteousthe thing is that there is a nasty bug with the wifi, it has an error where using the wifi will randomly overwrite parts of memory01:40
SterlingOh I see the sticky on the forums.01:40
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proteousbasicly it's useless to try to troubleshoot anything before reflashing and installing the patch01:40
proteousbecause there is no way to know what has been corrupted01:41
proteousalthough the usualy procedure is to put the patch on your memory card, reflash the 770 and install the patch before using the wifi01:41
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proteousbut if your memory card is corrupted that is a problem01:41
proteousalthough you could reflash your 770, reformat the memory card, mount the 770 on your computer and transfer the patch to the memory card and install it before using the wifi01:42
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proteousbut in answer to your initial quesion, I"m not sure what the partition talbe should look like01:43
Sterlingdo you think the latest os2007he still has this problem?01:43
SterlingI saw this
proteous2007he has the patch already included01:44
Sterlingmy experience with 2007 wasn't too great01:44
proteousalthough some people find 2007he to be unstable01:44
Sterlingotherwise i'd just keep with it01:44
Sterlingbut i tried it right when it came out01:44
proteousI haven't tried it01:44
proteousI don't really need any of the features it adds01:45
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Sterlingalright, thanks for the help proteous01:48
proteoushope it works out for you01:48
SterlingI've had my 770 for over 2 years now and it keeps chugging. I'm sure you'll figure something out01:53
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leo2007what's the most common language to write app for Maemo?02:02
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leo2007what's the best life to extend battery life?02:05
leo2007proteous: thanks. I like python02:05
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proteousthe afterlife is the best life I would assume02:06
proteousfrom what I hear02:06
leo2007sorry typo02:07
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proteousnot leaving the wifi on helps02:08
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ryoohki_does anyone make a bigger bbattery for the nokia n800 or n810?  i know it would have to come with a door/covering since it would be too large to fit but is there a such a product?02:10
proteousyou could make a battery pack that plugged into the charger port :)02:11
ryoohki_proteous: i know, i've seen these - thanks02:11
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|tbb|nite all02:26
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derfHmm, is the ruby maemo site down?02:32
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derfNever mind, found the packages directly in garage.02:37
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daveuxHow do I figure out my IP?02:55
proteousopen tool -> connection manage02:56
proteousopen the menu select Internet connection -> IP address02:56
lcuk_2if its your global internet ip you want, this place will make you laugh:
derfOr just type /sbin/ifconfig in an xterm.02:59
proteouswhere did you get your name derf?02:59
daveuxok, so I installed openssh server03:00
daveuxDO I need to restart for it to work?03:01
derfFrom the sky? I don't know.03:01
derfI commonly tell people it's a nice square of four letters on the keybaord.03:01
proteousjust that I have a friend who uses that nick on IRC03:01
proteousI thought it was pretty strange03:01
derfIt turns out their a fair number of us.03:02
proteousbut to see another derf is pretty odd03:02
derfSomething about four-letter nicks.03:02
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Sterlingfixed my memory card with os2007he :)03:25
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proteous nice03:32
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smackpotatohas anyone fixed samba in the file manager03:39
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smackpotatoit almost works03:40
proteoushaven't used it03:40
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tank-manfixed what?03:57
tank-manwhat was wrong?03:57
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ryoohki_how is it that the internal flash card on the n810 cannot be replaced?04:04
GeneralAntillesBecause it's soldered to the mainboard. . . .04:04
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KggkAnyone here with an n800?04:25
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proteousI saw one online once04:27
proteousbut I just have a 77004:27
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`0660_what's n800???04:27
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proteoustaters? what's taters precious?04:28
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KggkI need people with pretty quick tablets to test my web-app :)04:29
proteousare you saying my 770 is slow?04:29
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proteousdon't listen to him poor 770, he doesn't mean it04:29
Kggk:P I have no clue, never touched a tablet before04:29
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Kggkproteous: do you think your tablet could handle a WebOS?04:31
proteousno idea04:31
proteousnot if it's flash based :P04:31
KggkI despise Flash04:32
Kggkits Javascript for the fancy-shmansy stuff04:32
KggkPHP aswell04:32
KggkWanna give it a whirl for me?04:32
KggkAwesome, thanks. The URL is
KggkClick "New User", it takes about 2 seconds to register (just pick a username and pass)04:33
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proteousthe directorys seem to be case sensitive04:39
proteousso it would be
proteousyou might want to put in something that will give a warning if javascript isn't enabled in the browser04:41
proteousat least on my 770, I didn't realized I had it turned off and was presented with a page with no content, just a background image04:42
proteousnot sure how to log in04:43
proteousmaybe it doesn't like my browser04:43
proteouser, not so much log in as create an account04:43
GeneralAntillesThere's no way it'll work with Opera.04:43
proteouswhy's that04:43
GeneralAntillesBecause Opera is old a sucky.04:44
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Becanduse Opera is old a sucky.04:44
proteousso is javascript04:44
proteousalthough the HTMLresponce stuff is newer04:44
proteousand various other ajax stuff04:45
elbso, before I go digging into barcode libraries, does anyone know of a barcode-reading application for maemo?04:45
proteouser, httpresponse04:45
GeneralAntillesNone that I've seen, elb.04:46
GeneralAntillesYou might check ITT, though.04:46
elbI didn't find anything in my own search04:46
elbbut ... maemo stuff doesn't seem to be real well organized ;-)04:46
GeneralAntillesI nominate elb for the job.04:47
elbhah yeah04:47
elba barcode framework that can use the camera for input seems like a natural fit, to me04:48
proteousUSB host mode + cue cat FTW04:49
elbif by 'ftw' you mean 'sucks'04:49
elbthen I totally agree04:49
proteouswhat sucks about that04:49
elbwhy haul around another external device, when you have an appropriate builtin input mechanism?04:49
proteousI've never used a camera based barcode reader04:50
proteousaiming the camera might be a little ackward04:50
proteousbut maybe not04:50
elbon the 810 it might be04:50
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elbbut it's still not a second device04:50
proteousyou could duct tape the cuecat to your n800...04:51
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elbI had one of the original cuecats04:53
elbthey kind of sucked04:53
proteousI've never used on04:53
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proteoustoo bad the cuecat mainboard is sorta bulky04:57
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Kggkproteous, there was a really cool OS X app that let you use your iSight as a barcode scanner05:04
proteousI remember reading about that05:05
KggkWish i had bought an iSight before they got discontinued05:05
Kggkit'd be worth one pretty penny :)05:05
proteousthey were nifty lookin05:05
KggkBleh, i thought they were ugly05:05
KggkDoes anyone have a site they'd be interested in trading banner ads on?05:06
KggkI know this is wayyyyyyyy OT05:06
Kggkso, don't attack me :P05:06
* proteous attacks05:06
elbI have two isights05:07
elbone is still in its box05:07
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Kggk:P lucky05:07
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elbeh, they're not really useful to me05:12
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KggkSell em?05:14
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jottbuild a "number 5" look-a-like?05:18
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smackpotatohere  is a power solution05:20
johnxI liked the prototype OLPC's crank better...05:21
smackpotatowhy didnt they include it05:22
elbI'm not turning anything up for bar code reading05:22
elbthat's unfortunate05:22
elbso many *practical* maemo applications are just waiting to be written05:22
elbI need more time!05:22
smackpotatothe 2d bar codes can be grabed with a camera05:24
elbso can 3d05:24
elb... just not on the nokia tablets (yet)05:24
elberr, no, 2d is what I meant05:25
elbI thought you meant linear05:25
elblinear and 2d barcodes can both be easily read by a camera of the resolution of the nokia tablet camera05:25
elbalthough the tablet camera's quality appears to be very poor, at least on my tablet05:25
elbthere's a lot of noise on the image05:26
lcuk_2barcodes would look snowy tho05:26
smackpotatoya iguess thefre more like squares than bars05:26
lcuk_2also n810 camera isnt situated well for practical use05:27
elbeh, just hold it above the code for a second05:28
smackpotatoyou need to carry a mirror with u05:28
lcuk_2that would help keep my hair in check, but what about the barcodes?05:28
elbI'd like something where I could, e.g., take it to the grocery and scan an item, and it would say "you last bought this for $2.99" or whatever05:28
elbobviously that price I would have to enter at some point05:29
elbbut there ar ea lot of things I buy often, for which this would be practical05:29
johnxqr-codes (the 2D ones) are pretty neat...but not always helpful05:30
lcuk_2the unknown price is even ok, i think there are barcode lookup sites online which give product description when you get home and line it up with the receipt05:30
elb2d barcodes are pretty much useless for me05:30
lcuk_2hang on, do receipts now display the product code on them?05:30
elbnothing I do day-to-day uses them05:30
elblcuk_2: many do, but as a number, not a code05:31
lcuk_2thats ok, whilst walking round scan items as you trolley them05:31
lcuk_2when you get home scan the receipt as well05:31
elband OCR it05:31
lcuk_2match up barcodes with prices and then next time it will know05:31
elbin my case, that'd be a lot more trouble than I needed05:32
lcuk_2it would be a nice feedback loop05:32
elbI'd be most interested in staples05:32
lcuk_2then scip the ocr at the end and just allow prices and descriptions to be entered per the scanned code05:32
elbwhich, for me, means eggs, bread, ice cream, sausage, and bacon ;-)05:32
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lcuk_2that would be quite useful and interesting to monitor05:33
lcuk_2it might be better (and esier) to get a cuecat or use a different camera, 8x0 isnt really geared to the kind of swiping you would need05:34
elbbut that's another device05:34
lcuk_2810 for instance, i wouldnt swipe heavy groceries near it for fear of damaging the screen05:34
elbthe 810 camera is definitely suboptimal for this task, but should be *sufficient*05:34
* smackpotato trys a spoon05:34
elboh, I'd swipe it over the groceries, not vice-versa05:35
elbas you said, as I pick them up05:35
lcuk_2i have a phone with a better camera in it already and its bluetooth05:35
lcuk_2i could sit the 810 on the little shopping list clip thing on the trolley05:35
elbstill, though, you're waving around two devices05:35
elbbar codes can be read on *really* crappy cameras05:35
elbalthough the processing to make that happen might be beyond the FOSS libraries05:36
lcuk_2nahhh you  aare underestimating the people around you05:37
elboh, I'm not saying it can't be written05:37
elbbut someone has to care enough to do so05:37
elband my brief survey of the field suggests it ain't likely05:37
elbthere's a pretty powerful 2d barcode library, but for linear barcodes there doesn't seem to be much05:37
jottdoesn't gocr support barcode recognition?05:39
lcuk_2Zebra is a small, layered EAN/UPC and Code 128 bar code scanning and decoding library implemented in C (C++ wrappers are also provided)05:39
elbyeah, but read the comments05:39
elbit says it probably doesn't work well for noisy images05:40
elb(re: Zebra)05:40
elbI only did a cursory exploration, but I ran across zebra and libdmtx as the most likely candidates05:40
jottit would be interesting if we could increase the integration time of the ccd sensor :)05:40
jottbut i doubt the omap would allow us to control this kernel wise :/05:41
elbit's probably hardware defined05:42
elbor non-replaceable firmware defined, as the case typically is05:42
lcuk_2wouldnt that oversaturate the images05:42
elbsince nothing is in hardware any more ;-)05:42
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jottelb: have you actually tried the zebra implementation with some n8x0 images?05:49
elbjott: I haven't05:51
elbtrying it and dmtx are now on my TODO05:52
elbbut ... it's a long list ;-)05:52
jotthehe sure ;)05:52
elbmy 810 takes *really*, *really* noisy images, with poor color contrast and registration05:52
elbso I'm suspicious05:52
elblooks like dmtx would be able to handle it, based on his documentation05:52
elbbut since 2d barcodes are used basically nowhere useful ... ;-)05:52
* lcuk_2 holds his breath and sees whether he can actually compile this zebra05:56
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lcuk_2damn wrong icon ... :|05:57
johnxelb, they're all over the place here05:57
johnxthey mostly have URLs encoded in them05:57
elbwhere is "here"?05:57
elbI never see them, to speak of, in the midwestern US05:57
elbjust on packages and mail, basically, and some electronic devices on the FCC/etc. tag05:57
johnxJapan :D05:58
elbahh, yeah05:58
elbthey do the phone click thing, right?05:58
elbwhere you "click" their URL by snapping a shot of the barcode on your mobile phone?05:58
johnxeven phones that come "free" with a contract have a cam that can read qr-codes05:58
elbI think I bought the last Japanese phone that didn't have a camera ;-)05:59
elbin 200105:59
johnxlast years lineup included AGPS05:59
elbgps was available in 200106:00
elbor does agps mean something other than network-assisted gps?06:01
elbin modern terms06:01
johnxthat's what it is06:01
johnxbut now it's in *every* phone06:01
johnxthe time to get a fix is ~15-30 seconds at worst06:02
elbyeah, nice06:02
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* elb looks to see if he can find a 2d barcode06:03
johnxI thought slashdot or someplace had them up for a while06:04
elboh, I can easily find an image of one06:05
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elbI'm looking for one to take with the 810 camera06:05
johnxan image should work fine ...06:06
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elbif I printed it, I guess06:09
elbtaking a picture of a lit display is very different from taking a picture of a white reflective surface ;-)06:10
johnxit should work fine on the screen06:10
johnxmy cell phone has no problem with it...06:10
elbno, it's probably *easier*06:10
elbthe n810 seems to be generally light-starved06:11
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jottelb: print it ;)06:12
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elbI should be able to find one ;-)06:13
elbI just found a fedex package, but it's the wrong style of 2d barcode06:13
elbhaHA, USPS to the rescue!06:15
johnxanyways, need to head out06:16
* johnx is afk ... far afk06:16
* b0unc3 night06:17
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elbyeah, no love wit hthe postage code06:20
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elbhah zebra actually did a fair job when I thresholded the image to B&W06:53
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EruditeHermithey, is there a way to queue songs in canola?07:43
EruditeHermitor to create your own playlist07:44
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Luriaanyone seen this?08:22
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K-Foxwhere is libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1) 's offline files?08:41
K-Foxi am trying to install a openssh on n80008:42
pupnik_interesting device Luria08:48
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zoranK-Fox, you should already have that lib installed08:50
Luriaesp for the nokia08:51
pupnik_anybody want to fix up pixel doubling on another new game?08:52
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ZicI've got an updates in OS2008 of maps, but I can't upgrade it09:20
pupnik_does it give a warning about being untrusted or something?09:20
dragornI've got an update for map which triggers a repo mismatch and won't apply09:21
K-Foxinsmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/g_ether.ko09:21
dragornI ended up ignoring it.09:21
K-Foxthis command did excute on xterm , an erroe message is "-sh: ./insmod: not found09:22
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dragornbecause insmod probably isn't in your current directory09:22
dragornso you shouldn't be telling it './insmod'09:23
K-Foxi did upgrade os2008 on n80009:23
K-Foxnot existing  by default?09:23
K-Foxit is difficult to connect the " Setting up USB Networking09:25
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pupnik_A fun shoot-em-up09:39
pupnik_very elegantly written too (lots of sprites)09:39
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K-Foxwhat is root password by default (os 2008)10:12
Lurianone, passwd -l10:13
K-Foxit's passwd?10:14
Luriano, there is no password10:14
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Luriapasswd -l disables password login to an account10:15
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K-FoxEnable RDmode if you want to break your device <--- this message is " root permission "?10:19
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K-Foxwow it's difficult10:20
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pupnik_ /join #tyrian11:00
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proteouswhat's tyrian11:04
proteousthanks google11:04
proteousacording to the box cover, tyrian is: "INTENSE SERIOUS FUN!"11:05
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pupnik_it does a memcpy to screen update11:36
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n0ob_nice work pupnik_11:43
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pupnik_damn this might be the fastest SDL game i've compiled for this thing12:11
pupnik_it's hardly slower using software scaling at 640x40012:11
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GreySimAnyone know if there's a package for the console program 'remind' floating around anywhere? I've tried searching for it, but 'remind' doesn't make for a great search term. :(12:16
GreySim(770 - OS 2007 HE)12:16
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pupnik_did you check gronmayer?12:16
GreySimOh, no. Thanks. :)12:17
GreySimThat actually completely reminds me; I disabled all my repos to install Canola earlier. So I might've already even had the right repo. >.<12:17
GreySimAlthough it appears not to be there. :(12:18
VeggenI wish we could have maemo extras as the *one* repo that people put their stuff in12:19
Veggen(or another one, but only *one*)12:19
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GreySimVery weird. I found a PDF that looked like an assignment to build a Maemo frontend to remind, supposedly without depending on the remind package, so there must be one *somewhere*.12:19
Veggenwell. command-line stuff should be very easy to port.12:20
konttoriHey: anybody using mouse on maemo?12:20
GreySimYeah, but my two attempts at setting up a scratchbox have both failed spectacularly.12:20
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konttoriIf anyone is interested in getting mice to work on maemo, lemme know.12:24
pupnik_hi konttori i love nuvo-black theme12:25
pupnik_did you see my comments on the problems i had with it12:25
konttoriumm... nope12:26
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konttoriI didn' know it worked on os 200812:26
K-Foxpupinik: this message is out " -sh: insmod: not found "12:26
K-Foxon n80012:26
konttoriI have a version that works pretty well though.12:26
GreySimmelmoth: Thanks, but I lack the ability to get that working on Maemo (I think; I'll take a quick look, but since I know using gcc is involved, I'm fairly sure it's beyond me at the moment).12:27
K-Foxwhere is the insmod package?12:28
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konttoripunik_: Lemme know of the issues you had12:29
inzk-fox, insmod should be part of busybox12:31
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pupnik_konttori: remnant of older theme: bright bar between started application icons12:40
pupnik_remnant of older theme, bright bar under status bar12:40
pupnik_i make pictures tonight12:40
pupnik_most beautiful theme ever though :)  imo12:40
GreySimAh, the package of remind I saw reference to was one that was created as part of an exercise in some class of some kind. *sigh*12:41
GreySim (In case anyone is curious.)12:41
pupnik_  more comments konttori12:41
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solmumahapupnik_: ever tried that jagged alliance 2? i think it would be a killer game for the tablet12:53
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pupnik_yeah i bought JA2 used just recently12:56
pupnik_no didn't try it yet12:57
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solmumahai have the original for linux too13:04
solmumahanever really played it, but finished first and it's expansions13:05
ZicGPE PIM is not on repository of OS200813:06
Zican idea when it comes ?13:06
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BlafaselWow. Canola2 Beta 2 looks even better..13:07
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pupnik_anybody wanna help fix pixel-doubled tyrian? :)13:24
pupnik_real close now! :D13:24
pH5pupnik_: where are the dosbox sources? the dosbox project is empty.13:29
pH5lardman|away: I don't understand the asm code, but now I have something that creates and deletes a stream with SIO_create/SIO_delete.13:31
K-Foxdpkg -i openssh_4.6pl-5.maemo3_all.deb <--- this message is out " dpkg: requested operation required supersuer privilege "13:31
pH5now comes the complicated part, synchronization and data transfer13:31
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K-Foxi did works ready it " sudo gainroot "13:33
pH5K-Fox: does 'whoami' say you are root?13:36
pH5pupnik_: thanks.13:37
pH5pupnik_: why don't you take over the garage project?13:37
pupnik_because it's for collaborative work, imo13:37
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bedboihi all13:37
bedboianyone is aware of a good upnp client for linux?13:38
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LoCusFhas anyone else got any problems with the browser not starting up?13:41
proteouson what device?13:42
LoCusFwith latest OS200813:44
proteousah, sorry, only have a 77013:44
LoCusFoh ok13:44
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pH5pupnik_: ok, so you're the only one hacking on dosbox until now?13:47
pupnik_i think so, not sure13:47
LoCusFok reboot helped out13:48
pupnik_we could use a faster final blit, improvements in the sound speed13:48
K-Foxi have n800, after upgrading os2008 and trying to set usb networking13:49
pupnik_also they have a framework that allows for easy dynamic recompilation, so a dynamic recompiler for X86 to ARM is possible13:49
K-Fox <---- this is right?13:49
K-Foxit's so difficult13:49
K-Foxplease tell me how to set usb networking  n800<---> winxp13:55
K-Foxmy os is maemo 200813:55
K-Foxsearching for 5 an hour13:57
johnxhow far did you get on the guide you just linked?13:57
K-Fox <---- this is right?13:57
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K-Foxthrough google,maemo forum13:58
b0unc3good morning13:58
johnxmornin' b0unc313:58
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johnxK-Fox, the windows xp guide is for OS2006 and the guide for maemo 4 (aka ITOS2008) is for if your desktop computer runs Linux13:59
K-Foxis it possible to connect usbnetworking (n800 <---> winxp)?14:01
johnxyes, I think so14:02
K-Foxplease tell me some link14:02
johnxI don't really know...I don't even own a machine running windows14:02
K-Foxare you running the linux desktop?14:03
* n0ob_ too14:04
johnxK-Fox, What part are you stuck on?14:04
hahlojohnx: your debian works if used in chroot but haven't managed to boot it yet, boot mmc always fails, can i keep it bootloader problem cause chroot /media/mmc /bin/sh works?14:06
johnxhahlo, can you boot OS2008 from mmc card?14:06
K-Foxweb browser on n80014:06
hahlojohnx: i think so that once i did that14:07
K-Foxportble IT based linux14:07
johnxK-Fox, I don't understand. What *step* are you having a problem with?14:07
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K-Foxi need a correct link   " n800 <---> winxp ,setting up usp networking "14:10
johnxK-Fox, the links you already posted are the only ones I know of14:10
K-Fox  <--- this?14:11
johnxK-Fox, maybe searching for "usb networking" on will help14:11
hahlojohnx: is there any howto how exactly do with boot loader and partitions with os2008?14:11
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johnxhahlo, the guide for OS2007 mostly applies14:12
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hahlothis is not quite correct i notice
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K-Foxi am from asian14:12
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johnxhahlo, also, even if it doesn't drop you into a GUI it should bring up usb networking. so if you can plug it into a Linux desktop you should be able to at least ssh in14:13
hahlook i try that14:14
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michelehow do I connect to an unannounced AP?14:16
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* michele is fighting with fon and power save mode...14:17
micheleI manually added the network and essid, checked "network is hidden", but it doesn't show up anywhere14:18
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pupnik_pH5: is there anything you want to add to this TODO list for dosbox?  anything that's interesting to you?
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pH5pupnik_: not yet ;)14:24
pH5this sounds already like a lot of work14:25
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* lcuk_2 faught with darth vader last night whilst catwoman and tinkerbell stood watching (and lots of others)14:28
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lcuk_2well all myt jedi training this week paid off.  now hopefully i can put my talents to use with linux, but seems a bit more indepth than building a light sabre14:30
lcuk_2(was a facy dress party and it was gr8)14:30
michelesigh.. anybody using networks with hidden ssid?14:30
* GeneralAntilles shoots a blaster at lcuk_2.14:30
proteousno, I just name my network SSID INFLUENZA14:31
* lcuk_2 ducks and uses the force to lift GeneralAntilles's cat into the air14:31
proteousthat keeps the rabble out14:31
lcuk_2set your SSID to NBC_DATELINE and noone will use it14:31
darkipargh, rapidshare is SO annoying14:32
lcuk_2not with multiple proxies its not14:32
micheleehm.. I'm sorry I don't get the joke..14:32
darkiphmm, but that's missions to set up...14:32
lcuk_2michele, dateline is an american program where they lure online stalkers to be arrested14:33
proteousI moved a SATA drive from one computer to another to transfer some files and the computer ran checkdisk on it at boot and made the drive corupted, then I rebooted and windows ran checkdisk on the drive again and corrected the messup it made but my windows OS directory is gone....14:33
GeneralAntillesTalk about journalism at its worst. .  ..14:33
proteouswindows removed itself it seems14:34
proteousas long as I have my files it's not too bad14:34
proteouswindows can be reinstalled14:34
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johnxyour copy of windows auto-darwinated?14:34
proteousvery strange though14:34
proteoushehe, yeah14:34
johnxmaybe it saw the competition from your tablet...14:34
lcuk_2windows DID fix itself though, it removed the infection.  any chance it left a ubuntu folder in its place14:34
proteouslol, if only14:35
johnxdarwin, created of the theory of natural selection, that the most fit creatures survive...14:35
lcuk_2if that was the case we would still be using Amigas14:35
proteousand BeOS14:35
proteousI guess it depends on how you define "fit"14:36
johnxlcuk_2, I like my protected memory, thanks very much :P14:36
johnxfit = NextStep :)14:36
lcuk_2i like poking random bytes14:36
proteousif "fit" takes into account the amount of money the creating company has then windows is pretty fit14:36
GeneralAntillesHaha . . . I was picturing Windows turning itself into Darwin. <_<14:36
johnxwell, they'll have $50bn less if their purchase of Yahoo goes through...14:37
proteousif it does happen though, I wonder how many yahoo people will quit14:37
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proteousdamn you peer!!!14:38
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GeneralAntillesPeer is such an ass.14:38
proteouspeer doth givith, and peer doth taketh away14:38
proteousthere was a nice article in the onion a long time ago about the arrest of the notorious IRC hacker peer14:39
proteousnamed peer that is14:39
proteouscan't seem to find it though14:39
solmumahapupnik_: you there?14:39
GeneralAntillesThe Onion expires their old editions after a while, don't they?14:40
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proteousmaybe it wasn't the onion14:40
proteoushow do I paste into putty without a mouse14:41
GeneralAntillesSounds a little esoteric for their normal fair.14:41
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proteoushad to type that out :P14:42
GeneralAntillesThen I obviously have to click it. :P14:43
LoCusFproteous: shift+insert14:44
proteoushehe, thanks :)14:45
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LoCusFnp :)14:47
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pupnik_wow, Jade Raymond (game producer) is very competent
lcuk_2competent = hot14:49
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johnxlooks nice14:59
solmumahaseems to run perfectly15:00
pH5solmumaha: is that straciatella?15:00
solmumahaand speed is great too15:00
pH5solmumaha: very nice :) how are the loading times?15:01
solmumahafeels just like on desktop15:01
solmumahavery fast15:01
Alendithi all15:02
pupnik_how much data space is required solmumaha ?15:02
solmumahaquite a lot :)15:02
* pH5 needs to buy an 8gb microsd now.15:02
solmumahalet's see15:02
pupnik_i hope straciatella also has a gamma function15:03
solmumaha881 mb at the moment, but i left out few files from the game disk15:03
solmumahaso around 1 gb i belive15:03
solmumahait's not that dark, it started to dim the screen at that point15:03
AlenditpH5, hi, are you THE pH5 of xda-developers?15:03
pH5Alendit: yes15:05
* pH5 doesn't have to remember more than three letters of nickname.15:05
proteousI <3 tab completion15:05
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ustunozgurhow does one copy paste in xchat? i'm using the skyhusker chinook build15:09
ustunozgurright click deselects tthe text15:10
ZetxHave you tried pasting something? In the win32 build once you highlight something it automatically goes to the clipboard :\15:11
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ustunozgurah nice :)15:12
sp3000(not) >:(15:12
* sp3000 waves the thanks for confusing selection and clipboard for awesome amounts of people flag at xchat15:13
sp3000or, more interestingly, using a rather unprecedented gesture to clobber clipboard15:14
* sp3000 just enjoys being annoyed at xchat :)15:14
proteousirssi > xchat15:15
johnxsp3000, so you xchat or something else?15:15
sp3000on the tablet? I mostly ssh+screen to an irssi elsewhere15:15
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proteousso I'm not the only one who is l33715:16
* proteous doesn't feel so special15:16
sp3000though I xchat+ssh to irssiproxy if I happen to want to irc more on the tablet15:16
proteousirssi + bitlbee.org15:17
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keesjso what is the :latesed: Hacker edition release for the 770?15:18
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LoCusFmichele: any news on evince?15:18
lardmanDebian or Ubuntu, what's the best bet? I've lost patience with Mandrake/iva15:19
proteousI like debian, although I haven't tried Ubuntu15:20
K-Foxevince is fast to read a data?15:20
micheleLoCusF: what kind of news? There are a couple bugs left, but it's good15:20
michelelardman: if you are coming from mandrake, go for ubuntu15:20
LoCusFmichele: about the text selection15:20
K-Foxthan PDF reader?15:20
micheleLoCusF: oh, no, nothing sorry15:20
lardmanmichele, proteous: both similarly up-to-date?15:21
K-Foxevince is fast to read a data than PDF reader ?15:21
micheleK-Fox: yes, I think it is a bit faster, but uses more memory15:21
proteousI only use debian for non gui stuff15:21
K-Foxit's good15:21
Alendithmm, anyone know if i can get squashfs for maemo somewhere? or should i compile it by myself?15:21
proteousI hear Ubuntu has a nice gui15:21
lardmanproteous: ah, ok15:21
michelelardman: debian sid (the development version) is more up to date than ubuntu release15:22
lardmannice GUI would be nice on occasion15:22
sp3000michele: not for all packages though15:22
johnxdebian sid is also more broken than ubuntu most of the time...15:22
lardmanok, that's the more important point15:22
sp3000since ubuntu syncs with gnome rels and debian kinda follows whenever15:22
johnxdebian for servers and older machines, ubuntu for newer desktops15:22
micheleubuntu server is fine for servers too15:23
proteousapt-get 4ever15:23
johnxI prefer Debian's default software choices for servers...15:23
LoCusFopen/free/netbsd \o/15:23
proteous\o\ |o| /o/15:24
johnxFrankly in terms of security/stability I tend to just *trust* the debian guys more than the ubuntu guys...They have the history after all15:24
LoCusFhas someone installed a netbsd on n800?15:24
johnxI don't know15:24
johnxpeople run openbsd on the zaurus15:24
proteousI didn't, I know that15:24
lardmanok, next question, what's the best bet for migrating? It appear that my home partition also contains other directories (probably because it's on a huge disk)15:24
proteousrm -rf /15:25
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johnxI always mv my home directory out of the way and then copy over what I want. I usually leave all my dotfiles behind and consider it a chance to start over...15:25
ustunozgurjohnx, but probably debian testing is as stable as ubuntu. I suggest ubunutu however if you are not experienced.15:25
Alenditsquashfs? any ideas on that? needs it, and it would be freaking cool to have it on my nokia15:26
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lardmanjohnx: ok, I'll see how large a tar file I can create :)15:26
micheleso, no hints for my hidden ssid problem?15:26
micheleanybody connecting to hidden networks?15:27
sp3000I have15:27
michelegreat, it seems I can't15:27
sp3000to one15:27
johnxlardman, hmm? just leave everything on /home alone, except mv your /home/lardman to /home/lardman.bak before installing ubuntu/debian15:28
micheleI created the connection, set it as hidden, but it doesn't show up15:28
sp3000can you make it temporarily (or permanently) not hidden, to check if that's the problem?15:28
micheleyes, it's working from my laptop15:28
lardmanjohnx: parts of /usr are also on that partition15:29
micheleand it was not hidden until half an hour ago15:29
johnxlardman, ah you symlinke them in?15:29
micheleit's a fon AP15:29
johnxdebian/ubuntu will just ignore anything that shows up on /home15:29
sp3000did you delete the stored connection? maybe it's confused by it having not been hidden15:29
lardmanjohnx: no, it's a very large disk, so I allowed (foolishly) other parts of the system to reside on the same partition15:29
sp3000you could just do something random like change the channel15:29
michelelet's see15:30
micheleI love random troubleshooting...15:30
johnxlardman, is that some wacky mandriva feature?15:30
sp3000I think I had an issue where somethnig wouldn't find an ap on one end of its available channels, though I think it was my laptop and not the tablet15:30
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lardmanjohnx: not sure how I did it to be honest15:31
johnxeither way: debian/ubuntu (debuntu?) isn't going to care15:31
lardmanexcept there's lots of rubbish on there which I don't want15:31
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johnxright so scrap everything there except /home/lardman15:32
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lardmanah, I know what I must have done, placed home on the root partition (as last time I ran out of scratchbox space)15:32
lardmanjohnx: but how?15:32
johnxso it's all one partition?15:32
lardmanthere is a separate one for /usr from the looks of things15:33
lardmanhe wonders of installer wizards ;)15:33
johnxok, just pastebin the output of mount :P15:33
lardmanam in WinXP as I'm GUI-less in Linux15:33
alteregoMeh, who needs a UI in Linux ..15:34
lardmanAll kicked off by random freezes -> update Nvidia driver, wrong GCC/kernel version, update kernel, xen so Nvidia won't work15:34
lardmanalterego: true15:34
lardmanalterego: but I've had enough of Mandrake anyway, was just nursing it along as I couldn't be bothered to change when it was (just about) wortking15:35
alteregoSounds like some nice old fashioned dependency hell :)#15:35
alteregoUrgh, Mandrake?!15:35
johnxgah...*has RH5.1 dependency hell flashback*15:35
lardmanyeah Mandrake upgraded as I went along to Mandriva, add extra disks, etc. Mandrake/iva is really quite rubbish for centralised updates (imo anyway)15:36
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Alenditis it normal that make menconfig on maemo kernel gives weird errors? oO15:38
johnxI think I had the same problem :/15:38
johnxjust poke at it's .config by hand I guess :|15:38
lardmanNot sure you can run menuconfig15:38
lardmancertainly wasn't happy when I did so, so I did as johnx said15:38
Alendithmkey, menu oldconfig and that editing by hand works15:39
* lardman looks forward to running a 32bit Linux system and once again being able to view flash sites15:39
Alenditlardman ??15:39
Alenditwhat system do you use?15:40
johnxyeah, It might be a while until I see a compelling reason to install a 64-bit distro15:40
Alenditgot no probs with ubuntu and linux3215:40
lardmanAlendit: crappy Mandrake/iva mix15:40
Alenditi got 64-bit ubuntu15:40
lardmanah, so the compat libs work do they?15:40
Alenditok, i've got no idea about mandrake15:40
johnxI used to run 64-bit ubuntu but had too many stupid little problems15:40
Alendityo, compat libs are working15:40
lardmanI think I'll settle for 32bit, I've not need for 64bit15:41
johnxthat was back in edgy or so maybe...15:41
Alendityes, there no really's some sort of wasting if you've got 64-bit cpu and no 64-bit system ^^ i know it's stupid15:41
Alenditand i had to set up chroot in order to install maemo sdk15:42
lardmanit installed ok on my system, did it by hand though15:42
johnxI wish Debian would get multiarch figured out...15:43
pupnik_for searches: binaries of flex, gperf, icu and libicu:
Alenditsomeone tried on maemo?15:45
johnxI haven't tried it but I really should find a good mobile wikipedia solution15:48
ustunozguri coopied school edition but its contents are very limited15:49
Alenditwell, i saw it on neo and it's really cool15:49
ustunozguralso there is the sdict version but i couldn't dl it15:49
Alenditgerman version feats on 1 gb card15:50
Alenditno idea if you're satisfied with german version ^^15:50
Alenditenglisch should feat on 3,5gb or something like that15:50
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Alenditcompiling kernel with squashfs, wish me luck ^^15:51
johnxgood luck15:51
johnxare you building it as a module or into the kernel?15:51
Alenditmake modules is running now15:52
Alenditmake modules was without errors15:53
Andy80hi all15:53
lcuk_2GREAT, IT COMPILES.  SHIP IT NOW!!! ;)15:53
GeneralAntillesThat's how Nokia does it, isn't it?15:54
lardmancheers for the advice, time to install Ubuntu, bye15:54
Alenditkinda of, but only with stable releases ^^15:54
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lcuk_2not at all, nokia has a very strict policy of removing vital source from the packaging before shipping fully15:54
GeneralAntillesThey use some sort of randomized algorithm to choose which sources not to include.15:56
Alenditjust a joke, i never seen any unstable thing by nokia (doesn't mean there no)15:56
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Alenditmy n800 got some freezes but due to 3rd party progs15:57
GeneralAntillesDid you ever own a 770?15:58
GeneralAntillesOr use any version of OS2007?15:58
GeneralAntillesOr OS2008?15:58
Alenditno, i bought n800 end of last year and flashed in with 200815:59
lcuk_2GeneralAntilles, in all fairness, from what i have learnt since i got into maemo is that the n800 is the best and most suitable all round (price as well) device nokia has released for it15:59
johnxGeneralAntilles, honestly I haven't had many stability issues with my N800...mostly usability issues15:59
GeneralAntillesJust, fyi, Nokia has shiiped a LOT of unstable software. ;)15:59
johnx(except for the builtin mail app which is completely useless)16:00
lcuk_2and camera app16:00
johnxyeah, that too16:00
johnxthe actual OS has been pretty good though16:00
lcuk_2and the internet app that randomly closes16:00
johnxthe internet closed?16:01
GeneralAntillesDon't get me wrong, though, Alendit, I lurve my tablets, but stability has not been a strong point in the past. ;)16:01
lcuk_2and the battery charging software that randomly decides you cant switch on your device16:01
Alenditanyone tried this hack to connect an usb keyboard to nokia?16:01
Alenditwithout otg16:01
johnxI ran into that exactly once, had 30 seconds of freaking out, popped the battery and it was fixed16:01
lcuk_2johnx, sometimes closing a browser window closes the whole browser app16:01
johnxnever had that problem16:01
johnxI don't doubt it exists16:02
GeneralAntillesSometimes browsing the internet closes the whole browser app. :D16:02
lcuk_2Alendit, i have a standard usb keyboard usable through my nokia charger cable -> female2female usb then the keyboard16:02
Alenditdid you need any additional software for it?16:02
Alenditor you just connected it?16:02
lcuk_2bOTG is fully backwards compatible with old usb its just devices must stay low powered16:02
lcuk_2there is a setting which needs to be enabled16:03
lcuk_2ill just get the shell line for you 2 secs16:03
Alenditi bought an ff adapted yesterday, now waiting for the shipment16:03
johnxI think kontorri's (sp?) usbcontrol removes the need for any shell use...16:03
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Alenditecho otg > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode ?16:04
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lcuk_2sounds right yer16:04
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lcuk_2theres the other settings for different modes16:04
Alendityeah, can't tried it though till i get my adapter :(16:05
Alenditbut with usb keyboar (very cheap) n800 is not worse than n81016:06
Alenditsince i don't need GPS16:06
AlenditbzImage is ready16:06
lcuk_2i grabbed a usb extension from back of old computer and rejigged the cable to make a quick f-f16:06
lcuk_2that looks pretty much like the full outline16:07
lcuk_2wasnt the one i used.  (its buried away somewhere in a pile of links in the backgarden)(16:07
Alenditi wonder if there a way to connect a mouse to n80016:08
Alenditwith cursor and things like that16:08
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lcuk_2cursor is invisible on n8x0 maemo (tho some apps break and you can see it occasionally)16:09
lcuk_2its set to a blank pointer so it doesnt get in the way, so a mouse would be impractical, though if you compile up another linux it should just work16:09
Alendityeas, i know (for example if you xforward amarok to n800 your can see it), is there a way to turn it on?16:09
lcuk_2dunno, certainly not a desired feature from this end so never examined the possibility16:10
johnxI don't know, but I can at least tell you it's not a limitation of the x-server16:10
Alenditit gives some hope16:11
Alenditok, i compiled can i change kernel in my scatchbox now?16:14
johnxnow that you've compiled the squashfs.ko module (or whatever it's called) just copy it to your tablet...16:16
Alenditi have new bzImage now, but i don't want to flash my nokia with it without to try it in scratchbox16:16
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lcuk_2backup first ;)16:16
johnxscratchbox doesn't run kernels16:16
Alenditi see it now16:16
johnxalso, you don't need to use the new bzImage since you compiled squashfs as a module16:16
Alendituname -r in scratchbox gives my kernel16:17
Alenditsounds reasonable ^^ but i want to try mokopedia on my pc, cause i don't have any 1gb card16:17
johnxunless the kernel on your PC supports squashfs you're probably out of luck into you recompile it as well16:18
Alenditi should load a squashfs module on my pc16:18
johnxyes :)16:18
Alenditubuntu has it16:18
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pupnik_I've got another killer game project idea16:24
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michelesigh, still no luck with this hidden ssid :(16:33
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johnxis there a reason you can't just make it visible?16:33
michelea bug16:34
johnxah :(16:34
micheleit's a fon router, with two ssids on the same transceiver, and with power saving enabled the IT gets confused16:34
micheleso the workaround is to hide one of the ssids16:34
micheleunfortunately, I can only hide the private one, which is the one with WPA16:35
michelethe public one is plain16:35
micheledisabling power saving I get less than half the battery power :(16:36
johnxthat's really unfortunate16:36
lcuk_2battery on the 810 or on the fon router?16:36
michelethe router does not have a battery...16:37
michelestill, I think the tablet shoult work with hidden networks, it seems to be working for everybody else16:37
lcuk_2810 wifi is supposed to be very friendly if the connectio nis not used, does it really take it down by half?16:38
micheleif I disable power saving, I mean16:38
GeneralAntillesThe powersaving is incredibly effective.16:38
lcuk_2the GeneralAntilles fallow keeps telling us it is miraculous16:38
micheleit is16:38
lcuk_2wondered when you would chime in gen :P16:38
GeneralAntillesWhenever I damn well please!16:39
* GeneralAntilles goes back to playing with x forwarding. :P16:39
lcuk_2GeneralAntilles, do you sit there with ceiling cat watching for anyone wanting xchat or dissing the wifi power saving?16:39
suihkulokkicomplain to fon for their buggy ap16:39
GeneralAntillesI highlight on everything. :P16:40
lcuk_2you REALLY want your n900 :P16:40
michelemeanwhile, I have built these
lcuk_2actually gen, about power saving, my 810 has stopped draining when im not using it.  when i switch it back on now its where i left it16:41
michelethey work unmodified, but could use some hildonization16:41
lcuk_2how do i run a .exe file in maemo? ;)16:42
michelethere's the source16:43
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Alenditi've got an idea for a pidgin plugin16:43
lcuk_2well thats ok then, on related matter, wine wouldnt work would it (because of the x86 code)16:43
Alenditan 'now compiling' plugin ^^16:43
pupnik_cool michele16:43
qos_hey guys, does somebody know where is a good place to ensure that an own script gets executed at startup?16:43
johnxlcuk_2, nope16:44
johnxthe some crazy people are using bochs and/or dosbox to run win95/9816:44
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johnxqos_, copy it to /etc/init.d and put a link to it in /etc/rc2.d16:44
johnxname the link something like S99myscript16:45
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qos_johnx, i was thinking about something like that... is there a good reference to read more about the topic?16:46
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johnxqos_, documentation specifically about Nokia's ITOS or Debian/Linux in general?16:46
qos_johnx, i just care about the starting mechanisem... so, if it is the same on both platforms i dont care16:47
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wndWhat is the correct way to start a program at device boot-up as user with environment fully set up (name for D-Bus)? init.d-script would be obvious for root-processes but what about user? Right now I'm using "start-stop-daemon --chuid user", but getting environment properly set for D-Bus seems to require dirty hacks. Maybe I'm doing something terribly wrong.16:48
johnxbasically it seems fairly similar to debian, except for a couple things: you have ash on the tablet, not bash. and the startup order is likely slightly different16:48
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alteregoWell that's my N800 gone :(16:48
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johnxalterego, hmm?16:49
* michele clicked a link on his laptop by touching the screen16:49
alteregoI donated it.16:49
lcuk_2silicon heaven?16:49
alteregoNo, I gave it away.16:49
alteregoWell, swapped it for an N8016:49
darkipum, why and to who?16:49
lcuk_2how alturistic of you, i gather you have a replacement16:49
alteregoYes, I've still got the 770 and N81016:50
darkipah cool16:50
johnxwnd, I think there are files you can source in something like /etc/af-osso-*16:50
darkipn810 is nice :)16:50
lcuk_2wicked, spread the nokia love16:50
Alenditmichele, tell me moar16:50
micheleAlendit: what about?16:50
johnxqos_, so maybe look for a howto on making an init script in debian16:50
lcuk_2alter, i hope its a good home. remember nokias are for life not just for happy february16:51
Alenditabout a link clicked by touching screen16:51
Alendittouchscreen on laptop? a tablett?16:51
lcuk_2yer michele, im intruiged about this "touchscreen" concept.  ive heard they are gonna be big someday16:51
lcuk_2i cant imagine touching my crt screen though16:52
wndjohnx, I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but sure, can be used to set the environment. (I'm actually saving the environment with " set >foo" and having the application to process it.) however start-stop-daemon seems to discard the environment, and running with start-stop-daemon seems ugly.16:52
wndplease correct me if I'm wrong16:52
qos_johnx, why have you choosen rc2.d? there are others around16:52
johnxqos_, runlevel 2 is the default runlevel if I remember correctly16:53
qos_johnx, what about the others?16:53
johnxwnd, you're correct. I really don't know a less hacky way to do it though...16:53
michelelcuk_2: why not, lots of ATMs have crt screens and touch panels :)16:53
wndtalking of setting the environment, I wonder why putenv() won't do the trick. setenv(foo, bar, 1) does.16:54
micheleAlendit: ahah, not it was a mistake because I am used to the tablet now16:54
johnxqos_, what about them? they won't be executed when the tablet boots unless you modify /etc/inittab to make it start in a different runlevel16:54
wndjohnx, well, thanks anyway. at least it wasn't anything too obvious.16:54
johnxwnd, I'm really not the right person to ask about the "right" or "elegant" way to do something :)16:55
* wnd grins16:55
lcuk_2michele - back before touch became the norm i used to hate people touching my monitor16:55
* lcuk_2 grrrrrrrrrrrs @ greasy fingerprints16:55
wndI guess I'll just hack around it for now16:55
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alteregoThank God for paravirtualization16:59
* johnx should really get around to setting that up16:59
michelehey! I see the network now!17:00
alteregoI see your underwear!17:00
qos_it really sucks, that there is no hardware TAB at the n810 ...17:00
johnxctrl-u isn't it?17:00
johnxsorry didn't mean to erase that whole line you typed17:01
qos_hell, why do you know that?17:01
johnxI tested ctrl-u in a shell, realized it deleted the line then posted my correction...17:02
hahlojohnx: os2008 boots from mmc but debian doesn't is bootloader then ok?17:03
qos_its much more comfortable to change tab to the button under the d-pad thing ... ^^17:03
johnxhahlo, yeah, that means your bootmenu is working fine17:04
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johnxit didn't work for GeneralAntilles either...17:04
johnxhahlo, can you manage to ssh in with usb networking?17:04
hahloI try that next17:05
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K-Foxi am finding out some files17:18
* alterego contemplates getting Linux on his N80 ..17:18
K-Foxwhere is
alteregoYes, you're right .. I'm insane.17:18
K-Fox here have no17:19
johnxthat probably won't work on OS2008...17:19
K-Foxit is so difficult to set usb networking17:20
K-Foxjohnx:  this command is right ( sudo /etc/init.d/usbnet start ) ?17:33
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K-Foxusb networking start17:33
sp3000holy crap, I got a gps fix17:35
pupnik_Remember the game 'comanche' for the PC? This guy has done a niftly little demo that lets you fly over the comanche data files. Just copy C1.DTA and D1.DTA over to it and run groucom.exe in dosbox.17:36
pupnik_Source is included. There's a little bit of x86 ASM in there, but not too much. Would be a gas to port this to SDL and do a little comanche or scorched3d type game with it.17:36
johnxK-Fox, if you've created the script that the instructions tell you to then it will work17:38
K-Foxwhoops whoops17:41
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K-Foxwhere is web link of usb networking ? n800 <--> winxp , my os is 200817:43
keesjK-Fox: on the maemo wiki17:45
keesjhmm my 770's wifi does not work any more17:46
keesjand when I change my settings (regional) I get a storage full17:46
K-Foxplease , on the maeo wiki ..................17:48
K-Foxa correct link........17:48
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zorankeesj, hardware failure?17:48
keesjyou ask for a link right?17:48
K-Foxdetail link...17:48
solmumahapupnik_: want a deb for ja2?17:53
solmumahaseems to work with 2006-200817:53
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KggkAnyone here with an n800 (or better) that would like to test a web app for me?17:57
GeneralAntillesThere's nothing better than an N800. :P17:58
alteregoThe N810 is so much better :P17:58
GeneralAntillesMr. I'm Happy With 10GB of Storage17:59
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solmumahaalterego: any chance of those debs?18:00
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alteregosolmumaha, maybe18:02
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alteregosolmumaha, exactly which debs do you need?18:08
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solmumahathose three for chinook18:11
solmumahalibruby, ruby18 etc18:11
solmumahai'll mirror them this time, i promise18:11
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pupnik_solmumaha: sure! :)18:16
alteregoThat's all the base ruby-maemo packages.18:16
solmumahathanks a lot18:16
alteregoSorry I've been so crap lately. I've just been working 24/7 the past couple of months :(18:16
pupnik_Kggk your project is certainly interesting.  I'm busy right now though :)18:17
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solmumahahard to test certain things on scratchbox without mplayer18:17
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pupnik_hey solmumaha you wanna see something really cool?18:22
pupnik_unzip, run from command line, use arrow keys to move18:22
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pupnik_gonna try to get a few more fps out of that18:24
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pupnik_jott: you around?18:26
pupnik_check out pupvox :)18:26
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jottquite fast18:27
jottlong time since i last saw a voxel engine ;)18:28
solmumaharuns nicely18:29
pupnik_code by Andrea Griffini18:30
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solmumahanow add some enemies and make it delta force18:31
pupnik_i particularly like how smooth it is compared to other voxel engines18:31
solmumahapupnik_: you familiar with sdl? i think it would be very easy to bind the few hardware buttons in ja218:32
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pupnik_did you say you have a .deb?18:32
solmumahacan't remember exactly what is needed, but at least +/- to crouch/stand would be nice18:32
solmumahatested it on 2006/hacker too18:32
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pupnik_just grep SDLK18:33
solmumahait seems to be playable on 770, just few annoying pauses from time to time and longer loading times18:33
solmumahai found the file18:34
pupnik_-if ( (keys[SDLK_F6] == SDL_PRESSED)) { }18:34
pupnik_or summat18:34
solmumahak, could try it myself although i'm no programmer18:34
solmumahamust try it on desktop to see what is missing18:34
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solmumahapupnik_: but here's the deb if you want to test it:
pupnik_ok will you update that file if you make changes?18:38
pupnik_or maybe put a tgz up with things you do?18:38
solmumahai can replace that if i make changes18:39
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alteregoHas anyone actually done a decent Java port to maemo ?18:41
solmumahathat expects to find the data from /media/mmc1/ja2data, but you can change it from .ja2/ja2.ini18:41
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solmumahapupnik_: seems it playable as is, can crouch/shoot etc18:49
solmumahawant to host that on your site?18:49
solmumahak, thanks18:50
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pupnik_alias moe='more'20:07
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jottor as robert browning and mies van der rohe would say, alias less=more20:12
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Alendithey, isn't there mount in sdk?20:29
Alenditwhat package do i need to get it?20:29
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jottAlendit: you should use mount on your host system.20:31
b0unc3Alendit: why you need mount in sdk ?20:31
Alenditwant to mount a quashfs image20:31
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Alenditbut you are right, i can do it on host20:31
pupnik_hrm 106 fps in a 400x240 window20:37
inzpup, is that not enough?20:37
pupnik_sao matsch to lurn20:37
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pupnik_it's a lot :)20:38
Alendityeah, mokopedia runs in a scratchbox ^^20:39
Alenditi can't wait for my 4gb card so i can try it on n80020:39
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pupnik_inz: check this out:
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GeneralAntillespupnik_, when do I get to shoot things? :P20:46
inzi dont want to find out any fun games20:47
inzthey take too much time20:47
pupnik_just playing with the algorithm GeneralAntilles20:48
alteregoIs that what you kids are calling it now-a-days.20:49
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czrhmm. does N810 display virtual multi-SSID networks?21:45
czr(different SSID, same AP MAC)21:45
czrI'm only seeing one21:45
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proteousdoes the n810 server me cherry pies, mine doesn't seem to be serving me cherry pies21:47
proteousand I totaly want21:48
proteousMORE PIES PLEASE21:48
proteousin other notes: I have no idea if the n810 displays virtual multi-SSID networks21:48
proteousSome people do call me the AP Mac though21:49
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Alendithi, can someone test for me if there any error with modprobe on os2008?22:06
Alenditich get modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep22:07
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jottAlendit: for some stupid reason depmod is missing in os2008, either build it or use insmod with the full path of the module..22:10
Alenditok, thanks22:10
LinuxCodeany of you use gpesyncd  with the opensync stuff ?22:11
LinuxCodeit synced once now it wont work22:12
LinuxCodeI made a ssh-key22:12
LinuxCodethats fine22:12
LinuxCodefollowed this22:14
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Alenditcan someone tell me, why a program compile if i fire up make, doesn't with dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot? oO22:45
JaffaWould need to see the whole log22:45
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SudoMakeMeSamichyes dear22:47
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Alenditmom like moment22:49
SudoMakeMeSamichheh, ah22:50
JaffaDamn. I've got a new toy itch. Hopefully a female/female USB adapter for my N810 and some goodness with USB host will sait me22:50
lcuk_2jaffa, minutes after connecting it, gleefully typing a web url with usb keyboard, seeing contents on your mem stick and possibly trying to wiggle a mouse you disconnect and move onto the next thing for a few weeks.22:52
lcuk_2(and probably get a bluetooth keyboard because you got wireless device, damn it looks ugly with all those tethers22:53
AlenditJaffa, sry there no error in that paste :(22:54
Alenditjust output of 122:54
czrok. I think there's a 'misfeature" somewhere in n810 then22:54
czrit doesn't support multi-ssid networks if they have the same MAC. it only displays the "last one" of that same MAC.22:55
lcuk_2gps so slow you arrive at destination before you get a lock?22:55
konttoripupnik_: those comments were all features, not bugs ;)22:55
konttoripupnik_: the comment on the old 2006 nuvoblack.22:56
Alenditany ideas?22:56
czrdoes os2008 come with any command line wireless/diagnostics tools?22:59
acydlordnot by default, but there is a wirelesstools package23:01
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pupnik_konttori: i'll post a screenshot or two, and maybe look into the .deb23:03
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LinuxCode[20:55] lcuk_2 gps so slow you arrive at destination before you get a lock?23:06
SudoMakeMeSamichthe sad thing is that lcuk_2 gets lost going to the corner store23:07
SudoMakeMeSamichit takes him twice as long, 2 minutes to lock the GPS, then 2 minutes to get there23:08
lcuk_2i dont get lost as such, i just have to follow the bus route home.23:08
acydlordmy 810 is supposed to be here tuesday, i may take off work weds so i can play with it lol23:08
lcddmy first n810 got returned because i thought the gps was broken23:08
lcuk_2how did they manage to return it?23:08
lcddi did23:08
acydlordmaybe they didnt use a gps that attained lock faster because they figured most of us geeks actually know how to get out of our neighborhood without needing gps23:09
SudoMakeMeSamichjust cheap23:09
SudoMakeMeSamichsame GPS they have in some of the phones, it was made to be cell assisted23:09
acydlordi was a bit angry at that article about nokias profit margin being so huge23:09
SudoMakeMeSamichwhich doesn't work in the IT23:09
acydlordit's cause they shafted us developers for christmas23:09
lcuk_2i think there is a knack to the gps - it involves something like standing with keyboard open and lay flat on its back whilst being stroked by a nubile angel23:09
SudoMakeMeSamichsounds fun23:10
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lcuk_2it works for me so why shouldnt it work for the nokia ;023:10
acydlordi have a feeling i'm gonna use the holux bluetooth gps module for my n810 when i actually need to rely on gps23:11
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SudoMakeMeSamichokay, why is a windows audio driver 30 frickin MB23:11
SudoMakeMeSamichwtf is in there!23:11
SudoMakeMeSamicha dump of wikipedia?23:11
acydlorda rootkit23:11
lcuk_2acydlord, why bother, once it gets a lock its rock steady (well, within a few mph anyway)23:11
SudoMakeMeSamicheven a rootkit can fint in 2k23:11
acydlordand the tears of steve balmer23:11
SudoMakeMeSamichthere'd better be a flight sim hidden in there23:12
EsworpHas anyone had a problem downloading files throough the browser in os2008?23:12
acydlordlcuk, mostly because a good part of my gps use will be offroad in the boonies23:12
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lcuk_2ive not had it drop a lock yet with city driving, as long as you have a clear sky (and a 20minute head start) you can get anywhere23:13
glass_you'll have easier conditions without building around you23:13
EsworpNothing wants to download here.  At first, the app conplained of insuffiicient memory, whenthere was plenty. But now it jus lists the item and it stalls away.23:14
EsworpAny thoughs?23:15
LinuxCodesorry lcuk_223:15
LinuxCodethere was meant to be a LOL23:15
LinuxCodebehind that23:15
LinuxCodeand hi ;-}23:15
LinuxCodeany of you use gpesyncd ?23:16
LinuxCodeto sync the gpe stuff from the N810 to evolution ?23:16
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EsworpErming /did/ work for me to get things on google calendar.23:21
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Tama^2Hello folks23:23
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blast007is there an easy way to recover data off a non-bootable N800?  (it's doing a reboot loop)23:30
GeneralAntillesYou have auto-connect and ssh enabled?23:32
lcuk_2and can you type REALLY quickly23:32
GeneralAntillesYeah, no, lcuk_2. :P23:32
GeneralAntillesflasher tool . . .23:32
lcuk_2thats the cheats way out :P23:32
* GeneralAntilles is a cheater.23:33
* lcuk_2 has splinters23:34
* GeneralAntilles gets the ax.23:34
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* lcuk_2 managed woodwork today and never cut himself23:34
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lcuk_2i was making a nokia n810 executive "lie on the bed and be able to rest arm and write on the screen without injuring wrist because nokia is embedded in a deep resess in a plank of wood" device.23:35
EsworpDammit this browser glitch is frustrating.  I have no clue what to do, and work to be done.23:37
lcuk_2is it a specific site, or if you try to download from anywhere23:37
blast007GeneralAntilles: nope, don't have SSH23:37
EsworpAnywhere.  Large files create an memory complaint and stall, little ones just stall.23:38
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lcuk_2so its downloading the file thats the problem, not listing the proceeding webpage23:40
EsworpOddly, if i leave a file to stall, open some other program, or swiitch to one, when i come back to file is not listed anymore.23:40
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EsworpRight, pages are rendering fine.23:40
GeneralAntillesblast007, then you're basically screwed.23:41
blast007k  ;)23:41
lcuk_2your memory card that its trying to save to isnt full by any chance is it?23:41
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blast007which one would it try saving to?23:41
lcuk_2i dunno, check all of the memory cards for space23:42
lcuk_2see if any are running on empty23:42
EsworpNope, and they aren't hung up in a read only error either.  The downloads even behave this way when saving to the builtin memory.23:42
lcuk_2was just a thought23:43
EsworpSure,  i was hoping that was it, too.23:43
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lcuk_2you could try clearing internet cache if it exists on 810?23:44
* lcuk_2 starts hitting the pinata23:44
EsworpI did.  :)23:44
EsworpI did.  :)  No change on this n80023:44
GeneralAntillesblast007, after you reflash, follow the steps here:
lcuk_2 could it be a webaddin problem ?23:45
GeneralAntillesThat's give you three things: a bootable backup for swift recoveries day or night, USB networking immediately at boot for recoveries from those REALLY bad crashes, and the ability to boot other stuff like johnx's Debian.23:46
dskippyDoes anyone know of any bluetooth headsets that work well on the n800? It apparently doesn't support A2DP which is what most headsets use.23:46
blast007GeneralAntilles: okay, cool, thanks23:46
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