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| fysa | Cptnodegard: if you check the repo for alternate themes, you can find some that have smaller system text. This affects menus and such. | 00:07 |
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| rm_you | Anyone here know much about fan bearings? | 00:07 |
| rm_you | My options appear to be Sleeve Bearing, Ball Bearing, or Double Ball Bearing | 00:07 |
| rm_you | the price differences seem to be very minor or even non-existant... | 00:07 |
| Cptnodegard | fysa: ah, still doesnt explain why mine did it by itself, weird shit | 00:08 |
| fysa | right | 00:08 |
| Blafasel | Again probably just me failing to use the UI: How can I remove a network definition (the permanent entries in the connection dialog)? | 00:08 |
| fysa | control panel I think. | 00:09 |
| fysa | Connections (?) | 00:09 |
| lcdd | rm_you: ball bearings tend to whine but generally last longer | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | control panel/connectivity area/connectivity -> connections button | 00:09 |
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| rm_you | lcdd: ok... | 00:10 |
| rm_you | lcdd: i'm deciding which to put into my projector... | 00:10 |
| rm_you | any idea what "double ball bearings" even means? | 00:10 |
| rm_you | i thought a ball bearing already had.. well.. a lot of ball bearings | 00:10 |
| lcuk | projector cooling fan? choose based on cooling vs noise | 00:10 |
| rm_you | does it mean theres like, two rings of them? | 00:10 |
| lcuk | double = 2 sets | 00:10 |
| rm_you | hrm | 00:10 |
| rm_you | wouldnt that be bad from a point of failure standpoint? | 00:11 |
| rm_you | more of them to go bad? | 00:11 |
| lcuk | is this for cooling fan? | 00:11 |
| rm_you | yes | 00:11 |
| lcuk | 2 sets along shaft = more stable, less wobble | 00:11 |
| rm_you | hrm | 00:11 |
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| rm_you | basically, i'm looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010110573+1372726528 and trying to pick ones that won't suck >_> | 00:12 |
| roue | hola | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | depends upon load, the different types arent usually that different - some are just noisier than others usually | 00:13 |
| lcuk | but best for noise is slower/larger blades - the higher cfm fans are noisey buggers | 00:14 |
| rm_you | yeah... | 00:14 |
| lcuk | for the price of them just get a couple and find out for yourself, the one you dont use you will need at some point for a desktop pc | 00:14 |
| rm_you | i think i'm gonna go with a couple of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150053 | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | do you need 2? | 00:14 |
| rm_you | good batch discount as well | 00:15 |
| lcdd | rm_you: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article63-page2.html | 00:15 |
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| rm_you | at least 2 for my projector... but a lot of my case fans are going out too, so i'll prolly buy like 6 at once | 00:15 |
| lcuk | depending upon where you purchase some shops will let you into their test area and let you listen yourself | 00:16 |
| lcuk | what is the cfm requirement for your projector | 00:16 |
| rm_you | dunno | 00:17 |
| rm_you | i didn't decide one :P | 00:17 |
| lcuk | because i know if you run with lower cfm fan, it might sound quieter but the extra heat will cause bulb to burn out MUCH quicker | 00:17 |
| rm_you | i built it out of 1/2 and 1/4 inch MDF and spare parts :P | 00:17 |
| rm_you | and a nice 10.5" LCD | 00:17 |
| lcuk | wicked! | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | OHP lens ;) | 00:17 |
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| rm_you | heh, i actually was looking... but i ended up just buying one of the lumenlab lenses because all the OHP ones i found were scratched or icky >_> | 00:18 |
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| fysa | nice, rm_you. | 00:21 |
| lcuk | have you had first light yet - or still planning | 00:21 |
| rm_you | still planning | 00:21 |
| lcuk | ahhhh - not yet | 00:21 |
| rm_you | well | 00:21 |
| rm_you | done *planning* | 00:21 |
| rm_you | box is built | 00:21 |
| rm_you | parts are all here and in the box... | 00:21 |
| rm_you | but not hooked up | 00:21 |
| shackan | I wish ultrabright leds were powerful enough to light a projector | 00:21 |
| rm_you | yeah :/ | 00:22 |
| rm_you | I went with a ceramic metal halide | 00:22 |
| lcuk | how much a pop are they? | 00:22 |
| fysa | they are, you just need 500 of them. ;) | 00:22 |
| rm_you | like $35 >_> | 00:22 |
| shackan | you didn't consider leds at all did you ? | 00:22 |
| rm_you | i did actually | 00:22 |
| rm_you | but they just arent bright enough | 00:22 |
| lcuk | they are, but only for a small throw | 00:23 |
| rm_you | there's a huge thread with the debate / research on them on the lumenlab forums | 00:23 |
| rm_you | which i read most of | 00:23 |
| shackan | rm_you: not even for a small wall? | 00:23 |
| fysa | whatever you end up with, I *highly* suggest you consider a Da-Lite HighPower screen. | 00:23 |
| rm_you | shackan: i don't have a small wall :P | 00:23 |
| rm_you | fysa: linky? | 00:23 |
| fysa | it gave another year of life to my last projector. | 00:23 |
| rm_you | I have a *large* wall :P | 00:23 |
| lcuk | projection friendly paint is better than a rolldown screen ;) | 00:24 |
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| rm_you | and it needs to be bright, because lighting conditions here are not ideal | 00:24 |
| rm_you | lcuk: not if you don't own the walls >_> | 00:24 |
| fysa | Unless it's the HP, lcuk. :) | 00:24 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:24 |
| fysa | It's a retroreflective screen -- like stop signs. | 00:24 |
| fysa | The light is sent back to the source, so it's very good at rejecting ambient light. | 00:24 |
| rm_you | fysa: screen was the last thing i was going to buy.... so i'm still looking around. linky for that one? | 00:24 |
| fysa | The only caveat is the projector should be mounted as close as possible to eye level. | 00:24 |
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| lcuk | heh, like an old model lcd display | 00:25 |
| fysa | you'd think.. | 00:25 |
| fysa | but not quite. | 00:25 |
| fysa | it's 2.6 gain from the center position. | 00:25 |
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| fysa | and down to 0.8 - 1.0 at the very edges, so still watchable. | 00:25 |
| fysa | The best part is that the brightness is uniform from where you sit. | 00:25 |
| fysa | anyway.. | 00:25 |
| fysa | one sec. | 00:25 |
| lcuk | rm, what res if the lcd | 00:25 |
| lcuk | is^ | 00:26 |
| fysa | http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=773065 | 00:26 |
| rm_you | lcuk: 1280x800 | 00:26 |
| fysa | I've seen them used for $200ish.. | 00:26 |
| fysa | I just sold my 720p Sanyo Z2 and 106" High-Power (manual) | 00:26 |
| rm_you | lcuk: and the controller board has VGA + DVI + SVideo + Coax + Component | 00:27 |
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| fysa | moving to 119" electric High-Power and the Panasonic AX200 soon.. | 00:27 |
| fysa | the screen is almost too bright, but that's a very nice problem to have with a projector. | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | just give out sunglasses | 00:28 |
| rm_you | hrm | 00:28 |
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| rm_you | $20 for 6 of these fans including shipping | 00:28 |
| rm_you | shipping is like half of the cost >_> | 00:28 |
| lcuk | dont you have shops nearby | 00:28 |
| rm_you | not that i know of | 00:28 |
| rm_you | and not that would sell fans this cheap | 00:28 |
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| rm_you | also, i don't have access to a vehicle at the moment | 00:29 |
| lcuk | im surrounded by them, ive got em near work, near home and in any other direction | 00:29 |
| rm_you | lcuk: heh, i wish. where are you? | 00:29 |
| lcuk | manchester england, yourself? | 00:29 |
| rm_you | San Antonio, Texas >+> | 00:29 |
| fysa | do you have an avsforum account, rm_yo? | 00:29 |
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| fysa | rm_you? | 00:29 |
| rm_you | if i wanted to go find some farm equipment or sports gear, this would be my city >_> | 00:30 |
| lcuk | heh :) think i had family over that way once upon a time | 00:30 |
| rm_you | not so much for electronics | 00:30 |
| rm_you | fysa: avsforum? i don't think so :/ | 00:30 |
| rm_you | lumenlab <_< | 00:30 |
| rm_you | wait | 00:30 |
| fysa | no prob. one sec. | 00:30 |
| rm_you | nope | 00:30 |
| lcuk | rm, can you rig up a test with fans scavenged from computer | 00:31 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yeah | 00:31 |
| fysa | ionic breeze ;) | 00:31 |
| rm_you | heh | 00:31 |
| lcuk | or would your pooter overheat :P | 00:31 |
| rm_you | i have 5 computers in this room i could strip fans from... | 00:31 |
| rm_you | but they all need them fairly badly... it *is* Texas.... | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | must be noisey in your room | 00:32 |
| rm_you | also, many of them are dieing somewhat, thus why i need like 6 more | 00:32 |
| rm_you | not too much | 00:32 |
| lcuk | im considering moving everything downstairs | 00:32 |
| rm_you | that or i'm used to it | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | it must sound like a space ship - constant hum | 00:32 |
| lcuk | i remember when computers were almost silent | 00:32 |
| lcuk | the only noise was the transformer hum | 00:33 |
| rm_you | i've got a fileserver, my MythTV, two desktops, and... oh. right. well, my tabletpc, but i can't really strip fans out of that :P | 00:33 |
| rm_you | and my n800 :P but no fans there, lol | 00:33 |
| lcuk | with a reflector and a bundle of fibre you could get the brightest projector light for free (as long as its daytime ;) ) | 00:35 |
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| rm_you | lol | 00:35 |
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| rm_you | run a lightpipe down through the ceiling from the roof :P | 00:36 |
| rm_you | straight into the back of the projector ^_^ | 00:36 |
| |tbb| | where can i see the boot sequence after a device started | 00:36 |
| lcuk | absolutely, you only have to keep the air cool for the lcd, no chance of burnout | 00:36 |
| fysa | OK, here are comparison shots between a matte 1.0 gain screen and a 2.8 gain "HighPower" screen: | 00:39 |
| fysa | http://fysa.net/hp2.jpg | 00:39 |
| fysa | http://fysa.net/hp1.jpg | 00:39 |
| fysa | same images compared, one is diagonal, the other has them 'striped' over eachother | 00:39 |
| rm_you | i wish i could get rm_you.net >_> | 00:40 |
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| fysa | I get mail meant for the Florida Youth Soccer Association all the time. ;) | 00:40 |
| rm_you | lol | 00:41 |
| rm_you | errr | 00:41 |
| fysa | stupid catch-all mail. | 00:41 |
| rm_you | a) which is which | 00:41 |
| rm_you | b) wtf why does the #1 have weird lines | 00:41 |
| fysa | this is someone's tivo paused on a frame of Monsters. | 00:41 |
| rm_you | and #2 has a big diagonal seperation | 00:41 |
| fysa | it's a composition | 00:42 |
| fysa | of two individual photos | 00:42 |
| fysa | so you can see the difference in brightness.. | 00:42 |
| rm_you | err? | 00:42 |
| rm_you | OH | 00:42 |
| fysa | get it? | 00:42 |
| fysa | they took a dark one (from the matte) | 00:42 |
| rm_you | i didn't | 00:42 |
| fysa | and a light one (from the HP screen) | 00:42 |
| fysa | and photoshopped them together. | 00:42 |
| rm_you | lol | 00:42 |
| lcuk | i thought the wall was wonky | 00:42 |
| fysa | that's pretty close to best-case, i.e., one of the 3-5 best seats in however large your room is. | 00:43 |
| rm_you | hrm | 00:43 |
| fysa | it's best for table/shelf mounted projectors | 00:43 |
| rm_you | i do need it visible from all over... >_> | 00:43 |
| rm_you | the projector will be sitting on a tablet at approx eye level tho | 00:44 |
| fysa | here's the cool thing -- as you walk out of the main seating area, you will slowly lose gain | 00:44 |
| fysa | so someone sitting off at a corner may only get 1.5 gain.. | 00:44 |
| fysa | but it's still better than matte 1.0 | 00:44 |
| rm_you | hrm | 00:44 |
| rm_you | still waiting for you to link me to where i can buy one :P | 00:44 |
| fysa | and they don't see a gradient | 00:44 |
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| rm_you | originally i was just planning on getting this one: https://secure.lumenlab.com/estore/product.php?productid=16166&cat=256&page=1 | 00:45 |
| rm_you | but it would probably be good to shop around | 00:45 |
| fysa | This might seem like an odd place to get it.. | 00:46 |
| fysa | but they have very excellent prices and are a real distributor: http://pointofpower.com/Screens/index.htm | 00:46 |
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| rm_you | lol | 00:46 |
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| fysa | because of the reflectivity of the material, waves aren't very noticeable while the projector is on. | 00:47 |
| fysa | the light is sent back to the source regardless of the angle of waves formed on the screen | 00:47 |
| fysa | the "Model B" is fine for up to 106" or so | 00:47 |
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| fysa | which is that 52"x92" | 00:48 |
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| fysa | you can order it with custom drops/extra border on the top/bottom | 00:48 |
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| fysa | and I believe they can get you a sample. | 00:48 |
| fysa | anyway.. I had mine for a couple of years and had it been the electric version, it would have outlasted many projectors to come ;) | 00:49 |
| rm_you | heh | 00:49 |
| rm_you | i may be starting off with a white bedsheet >_< | 00:49 |
| rm_you | until i get money to buy a decent screen T_T | 00:50 |
| rm_you | unless i go with something cheapish like the lumenlab one | 00:50 |
| fysa | I had a DIY screen first -- polywall/laminate/waterproof wall paneling. $8 a sheet. | 00:50 |
| rm_you | heh | 00:50 |
| * lcuk is going out to a party dressed in a bedsheet tomorrow night | 00:50 | |
| fysa | built a frame, worked very well. | 00:50 |
| fysa | bedsheet doesn't work so hot -- it lets a lot of light bleed through. you can get blackout cloth for dirt cheap from a fabric store. | 00:51 |
| fysa | that will give you an easy/cheap 1.0ish gain | 00:51 |
| fysa | either way, you need a projector first :) | 00:52 |
| fysa | http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NerdStationZebra/photo#5054533748576116946 | 00:52 |
| fysa | that is the old setup.. | 00:52 |
| fysa | http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NerdStationZebra/photo#5054533744281149634 | 00:53 |
| fysa | had mythtv switching between the CRT http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NerdStationZebra/photo#5054536097923227970 and the projector http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NerdStationZebra/photo#5054555975031873970 through the remote | 00:53 |
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| rm_you | hrm | 00:56 |
| rm_you | yeah... my problem is my workspace... i need to use the engineering mechanics lab to work... which means I need to convinve my engineer friends to help :P | 00:57 |
| rm_you | which means I never get anything done because they are busy 24/7 with... engineering :P | 00:57 |
| rm_you | so it's been sitting in this nearly completed state for like a month | 00:57 |
| rm_you | or two. | 00:57 |
| lcuk | tell them they can watch superbowl if they help | 00:58 |
| lcuk | or just bribe them with beer | 00:59 |
| |tbb| | again, could anyone tell me if there is a log file of loading sequence and where to find | 00:59 |
| lcuk | tbb, never seen a log and would be just as interested as you | 00:59 |
| lcuk | actually, bit of a lie, when i first started i saw someone doing boot stats with a recompiled kernel | 01:00 |
| sibbe | <- someone | 01:02 |
| sibbe | http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/bootchart-n800-os2008-008_bclng_50ms.png | 01:02 |
| lcuk | :O yes it was | 01:03 |
| lcuk | i was very impressed by what i saw. | 01:03 |
| sibbe | i'm still too lazy to blog my maemo stuff.. | 01:05 |
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| fysa | that's hot. | 01:12 |
| fysa | I want to print that and keep it on my wall. | 01:12 |
| |tbb| | and the optimize it ;) | 01:13 |
| rm_you | wtf *IS* dsme? | 01:14 |
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| elb | haHA, jed on OS2008 | 01:25 |
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| fernd | Hey, I am looking for a way to disable the onscreen keyboard. I am trying to develop some data entry screens with special buttons that adjust the entry fields and the onscreen keyboard keeps getting in the way. When you have 20 or more entry fields this can be annoying. | 01:28 |
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| elb | hmm I could get 80x25 if I could ditch the osso-xterm scrollbar | 01:30 |
| fernd | Something like this might work... <Alt>k=!maemo-gtk-im-switch xim, but I read that maemo-gtk-im-switch isn't in OS 2008 | 01:30 |
| lcuk | if you have custom input why not use labels instead of textboxes | 01:30 |
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| thoughtfix | Good afternoon | 01:42 |
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| fernd | lcuk: So something like <label class="inputlabel" id="test">test</label> And then use CSS to draw a box around it and javascript to highlight the active label with an onclick event.... Yes, something like that might work... and I would never have to mess with the hilden input stuff.... | 01:44 |
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| lcuk | i just use buttons to indicate i can click on something, but whatever flaots your boat | 01:45 |
| lcuk | you can make your own button to look however you like | 01:46 |
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| fernd | lcuk: What I was going to do was use text inputs and use buttons to increment the values in the inputs, but everytime you click on the inputs it pops up the keyboard. I suppose I could use buttons or labels.... i doesn't really matter as long as I can pull the on click so I know what the last focus was.. | 01:48 |
| dphil9000_ | can i create either an applet for the desktop or a menu item that executes a shell script? | 01:49 |
| lcuk | you should be able to keep the text boxes if you require but lock them. when locked no user input is accepted so no keyboard brought up... | 01:50 |
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| lcuk | dphil9000_, which language? | 01:50 |
| dphil9000_ | applet would be java, i assume. | 01:50 |
| dphil9000_ | are there any other kind? | 01:51 |
| lcuk | assume different then, java isnt really used on maemo | 01:51 |
| lcuk | try python or c | 01:51 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Writing_a_Plug-in_for_Maemo | 01:51 |
| dphil9000_ | ok, i can do python or c | 01:51 |
| lcuk | thats not great, but it gives a starting point | 01:52 |
| dphil9000_ | i thought the word applet(tm) belonged to sun | 01:52 |
| thoughtfix | Heh | 01:52 |
| dphil9000_ | oh man, all that gtk stuff. how gnomish. | 01:53 |
| dphil9000_ | so i need a dev environment set up on my linux box to compile for armel? | 01:54 |
| fernd | lcuk: hey thanks for the advice I think that will help... | 01:55 |
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| lcuk | np fernd | 01:55 |
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| dphil9000_ | all this to create a link to a shell script | 01:56 |
| lcuk | os2008 used to have an applet which did it | 01:57 |
| lcuk | not sure if anyones recompiled it | 01:57 |
| lcuk | i think it was the load-applet - someone else will confirm | 01:57 |
| lcuk | os2007^ | 01:57 |
| dphil9000_ | well, as a programmer, this is all very educational | 01:58 |
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| lcuk | dphil9000_, ive come from a windows environment and its been a mission to get everything in place. so much to learn | 02:00 |
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| dphil9000_ | hmm ... scratchbox on gentoo amd64 ... | 02:01 |
| dphil9000_ | this stuff is going to pull me back into debian | 02:02 |
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| a-l-p-h-a | is there lynx for maemo? | 02:10 |
| a-l-p-h-a | os2007? | 02:11 |
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| dphil9000_ | i'd be better off installing gcc on the n810 | 02:16 |
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| fysa | python seems to be a usable solution for doing dev without scratchbox | 02:20 |
| fysa | pymaemo | 02:21 |
| dphil9000_ | mkay | 02:21 |
| dphil9000_ | but i like c :) | 02:21 |
| fysa | http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html | 02:22 |
| dphil9000_ | maybe get into some of that qt4 c++ goodness | 02:22 |
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| ds3 | battery drained :( | 02:42 |
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| fysa | hmm. | 03:12 |
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| fysa | I wonder if I can compile webkit from git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-webkit/webkit.git - WebKit Debian packaging, to use their control files. | 03:12 |
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| rlaager | Has anyone used the prelink utility on the Maemo platforms (or more specifically, the N810)? | 03:31 |
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| k-s[WORK] | canola2 uploaded to repository | 03:41 |
| k-s[WORK] | should be available in some minutes :-) | 03:41 |
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| |tbb| | k-s[WORK]: does this means no more beta then? | 03:45 |
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| etrunko | hey | 03:46 |
| etrunko | just uploaded new canola2 to extras | 03:46 |
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| etrunko | and it works on 770 | 03:47 |
| etrunko | please upgrade | 03:47 |
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| k-s[WORK] | |tbb|: it's still beta | 03:48 |
| k-s[WORK] | bora is working already | 03:49 |
| k-s[WORK] | chinook is pending server update, hope it happens soon | 03:50 |
| etrunko | same for gregale | 03:52 |
| etrunko | for 770 HACKER you must | 03:52 |
| etrunko | 1) disable all repositories | 03:52 |
| etrunko | 2) add deb http://repository.maemo.org gregale free non-free deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras gregale free non-free | 03:53 |
| etrunko | update list | 03:53 |
| etrunko | install canola | 03:54 |
| etrunko | remove gregale repositories | 03:54 |
| etrunko | and have fun | 03:54 |
| etrunko | bye | 03:55 |
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| jga23 | anybody able to pull contacts from a phone over bluetooth? | 04:11 |
| jga23 | via PBAP | 04:12 |
| jga23 | I was able to connect, but not sure what to do next | 04:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I just use vcards. | 04:12 |
| jga23 | directly from your phone? | 04:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or from the computer. | 04:15 |
| jga23 | is there any way to do bulk vcards? or do you have to import them one at a time? | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depends on the phone, I guess. | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | My computer does bulk. | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Phone doesn't. | 04:16 |
| jga23 | and on the tablet? | 04:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I've only done to the tablet. | 04:18 |
| jga23 | do you have to import on the tablet one at a time? | 04:18 |
| k-s[WORK] | canola2 beta2 should be now available for chinook | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, jga23, it'll import from a bulk vcard file. | 04:24 |
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| jott | if the bulk vcard file is <500kb :( | 04:24 |
| jga23 | thanks | 04:25 |
| acydlord | i'm about to go gordon freeman with a crowbar on letstalk | 04:25 |
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| rlaager | disq: Are you the maintainer of the rdesktop package? | 04:40 |
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| disq | rlaager: yeah | 04:57 |
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| scibot | Hi, has anyone worked out how to do pixel doubling in pygame yet? | 05:01 |
| rlaager | disq: Is there any way to specify the connection information from the command line, as with the normal rdesktop? | 05:05 |
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| Kggk | Hello, all. I'm the owner of a Web-Operating system project (like a desktop, on the internet). This works with all PCs, mobiles, iPhones, and Nokia tablets ;). I was curious as to if someone would create an application (that simply opened an "iframe" or somethign similiar to the free website) | 05:11 |
| rlaager | Kggk: A bookmark? | 05:12 |
| Kggk | ? | 05:12 |
| Kggk | It would be a normal icon (perhaps, saying the name of the program :P), that when clicked opened NOT in the web-browser, but acted like an actual application | 05:12 |
| jott | i suppose something without scrollbar and without the urlbar (just a plain gtkmozembed hello-world ;-) | 05:13 |
| shackan | oh, the Kggk invasion | 05:14 |
| Kggk | Notice, Shackan, these people didn't rape me with troll posts :P | 05:14 |
| shackan | I didn't either | 05:14 |
| Kggk | Never said you did :P Just showing there won't be any soft of "invasion" here. No wars to begin :P | 05:15 |
| shackan | anyway, you want something like vnc, but with a browser window? | 05:15 |
| Kggk | Jott: Not sure what all that would take to complete, but if you'd be willing to develop a small amount of time i'd be glad to thank you in the credits (its a community-based project) | 05:15 |
| Kggk | Not sure what you mean, shackan, but that sounds nothing like what Im trying to accmoplish | 05:16 |
| elb | why are you set against the web browser | 05:16 |
| elb | ? | 05:16 |
| shackan | vnc is a remote desktop client | 05:16 |
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| Kggk | yes i'm aware | 05:16 |
| elb | on a limited device which is likely to have the wb browser already open, I think the browser is the obvious choice | 05:16 |
| elb | you just wnat ot be able to hide extraneous widgets for your window | 05:16 |
| Kggk | Ah, no your missing what i'm saying. | 05:17 |
| Kggk | I've done the same thing here I have with windows. My WebOS is a web-application, and on Windows i made a simple C app that opened an "iframe" in a window (acting like an application). I'd like to do the saem on the Nokia tablet | 05:18 |
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| Kggk | So the Nokia tablet would have a button alongside "for example" Notepad, IM, WebOS, MP3 | 05:18 |
| elb | yes, I understand | 05:19 |
| Tama^2 | Kggk: probably you already know but there is an app for OSX that does what you need for intel macs | 05:19 |
| elb | and I'm saying that on a device with severe resource constraints, using the existing web browser is the Right Choice | 05:19 |
| elb | ITOS doesn't have a native "web" widget like Windows does | 05:19 |
| Kggk | Ah | 05:19 |
| shackan | elb: no gtkmozembed? | 05:19 |
| jott | sure there is gtkmozembed | 05:19 |
| Tama^2 | cannot recall the name though.. | 05:20 |
| jott | and there is also webkit | 05:20 |
| elb | shackan: ... which would be loading a SECOND web browser! | 05:20 |
| shackan | elb: I know | 05:20 |
| elb | the point is, most people *already* have MicroB open | 05:20 |
| elb | or are likely to at various points in time | 05:20 |
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| shackan | elb: but most of that memory would be shared between the two | 05:20 |
| elb | maybe, maybe not | 05:20 |
| elb | gecko isn't known for being svelte and memory-efficient ;-) | 05:20 |
| shackan | heh, very true | 05:21 |
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| jott | yeah hopefully we have a useable webkit hildon interface soon :) | 05:21 |
| shackan | jott: until webkit becomes the default browser, it means having two browser open anyway | 05:22 |
| pupnik | jott: hi | 05:22 |
| shackan | which isn't better | 05:22 |
| jott | pupnik: hi | 05:22 |
| pupnik | i built the 1.2 and it segfaulted after failing to fork the midi player | 05:22 |
| pupnik | do you have an idea what might be needed? | 05:23 |
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| unique311 | opengl http://www.unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/projects/maemo/ | 05:23 |
| jott | pupnik: hmm.. maybe it's due to my full sdl_mixer? | 05:23 |
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| pupnik | ah yes | 05:24 |
| pupnik | otherwise, are all your changes in debian/patches? | 05:25 |
| jott | shackan: yeah anyway i'll cheer when i can completely dump mozilla off the IT ;) | 05:25 |
| jott | pupnik: yes.. | 05:25 |
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| pupnik | unique311: looks fun but i don't think it will be usable for anything that needs speed | 05:26 |
| shackan | jott: and off my desktop too | 05:26 |
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| jott | yeah i barely use it there anyway .. | 05:27 |
| pupnik | unique311: might be worth trying out with a 2d game like secret maryo war | 05:27 |
| jott | pupnik: hmm well with pixel doubleing this could be reasonable fast (if the es implementation is good) | 05:28 |
| unique311 | pupnik, i was thinking armagetron also. | 05:30 |
| unique311 | the he has a port of neverball in the repo. | 05:31 |
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| unique311 | s/the// | 05:31 |
| infobot | unique311 meant: he has a port of neverball in the repo. | 05:31 |
| pupnik | jott: i'll just add --enable-music-ogg to the libsdl-mixer1.2 debian/rules yes? or is there something else | 05:31 |
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| rlaager | Does anyone know what is stored in /home/user/MyDocs/.games? | 05:32 |
| disq | rlaager: not at this point. you can write shell scripts to switch over the config files (or i think it was gconf?) though | 05:33 |
| pupnik | i wouldn't touch it unique311 . look at how slow glxgears runs | 05:33 |
| jott | pupnik: afair this should be enough (given you have vorbis/ogg dev packages/headers installed) | 05:33 |
| unique311 | its for bora, might have to compile it for chinook.. | 05:33 |
| unique311 | too lazy. | 05:33 |
| jott | pupnik: have you tested this with vfp? | 05:34 |
| rlaager | disq: Would it be easier for me to just fix it correctly? Is this rdesktop based off the real rdesktop? | 05:35 |
| pupnik | no | 05:36 |
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| jott | could give a 4-5x boost and plus pixel doubling would maybe even make it usable for some more or less simple stuff | 05:37 |
| pupnik | btw i take that back about maryo world - tried it with mesa on an athlon 2800xp and it got maybe 0.3 fps | 05:40 |
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| unique311 | hmm | 05:42 |
| pupnik | http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/46-N800-VFP-or-not-to-VFP.html jott: notes on vfp | 05:42 |
| unique311 | it worked for the n800 | 05:42 |
| unique311 | super maryo world built and worked for bora. | 05:43 |
| pupnik | the opengl version? | 05:44 |
| unique311 | no | 05:45 |
| unique311 | sdl i think | 05:45 |
| unique311 | runs really nice. | 05:46 |
| jott | pupnik: yeah.. i guess everything heavily gobject based will suck.. | 05:46 |
| jott | pupnik: lower level libs will imho not cause such drastic bottlnecks in criticial inner-loop operations | 05:46 |
| pupnik | yes the article is just interesting, not applicable to one-off sdl builds | 05:47 |
| jott | (maybe some libs need to be rebould) | 05:47 |
| jott | build | 05:47 |
| jott | pupnik: yep..interesting article anway | 05:47 |
| pupnik | unique311: i was talking about the OpenGL version of Maryo World. I'll bet you that no opengl game will run playably using that OpenGL es library. | 05:49 |
| unique311 | you right. | 05:49 |
| unique311 | i'll give it a try, when i'm feeling live. | 05:50 |
| unique311 | see how the game he makes available work on the n800 | 05:50 |
| jott | are there actually any floss gl-es gamesß | 05:50 |
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| disq | rlaager: you can do it i guess. it's got some hacks, so would be better if you worked on the maemo port's sources. they sould be in the garage svn | 05:53 |
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| pupnik | i'm thinking your fake RMB key F7 is probably the best choice | 06:17 |
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| unique311 | wow | 06:19 |
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| Kggk | Will anyone test my webOS on their tablet? | 06:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Only if you give me a dollar. | 06:34 |
| Kggk | Will you accept 3 quarters, two dimes, and a nickel? | 06:34 |
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| elb | Kggk: do you need extra software to do this? | 06:39 |
| elb | I'm happy to load a web page | 06:40 |
| Kggk | You shouldn't (runs with basic AJAX). The URL is ExiousOS.com (account creation is a matter of choosing your username and password) | 06:40 |
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| Kggk | it'd be very appreciated, elb! | 06:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Horizontal scroll on the index page. :( | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The new user dropdown goes off the page. | 06:43 |
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| elb | yeah, quite a bit of horizontal scroll even in full-screen | 06:43 |
| Kggk | what about when logged in? | 06:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wont accept my info | 06:44 |
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| Kggk | its case sensitive | 06:46 |
| elb | yeah, the create button is disabled | 06:46 |
| Kggk | Try clicking either the image or the text | 06:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Created on a desktop, it worked then. | 06:46 |
| elb | neither works | 06:46 |
| Kggk | its a wee-bit buggy | 06:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Desktop icons stack on eachother by default. | 06:46 |
| Kggk | i'm assuming thats the fault of the Tablet | 06:47 |
| unique311 | How do you say fullscreen in french? anyone | 06:47 |
| elb | the tablet is Mozilla | 06:47 |
| unique311 | i tried the babelfish, and came up with nothing | 06:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops | 06:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do I close the calculator? | 06:47 |
| elb | ahh, I see, the 'new user' field is not visible on the tablet | 06:48 |
| Kggk | the button at the top | 06:48 |
| elb | the rendering bugs are different on my desktop, so I can see it there | 06:48 |
| pupnik | unique311 "plein ecran" | 06:48 |
| elb | it's still not right | 06:48 |
| Kggk | also, can you tell me which tablets your on? | 06:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS2008 | 06:49 |
| elb | the login button doesn't work on my tablet, either | 06:49 |
| elb | n810, OS2008 | 06:49 |
| elb | actually, it doesn't work on my desktop *or* my tablet | 06:51 |
| elb | ahh shift+reload fixed it on the desktop | 06:51 |
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| elb | ... and then on the tablet | 06:52 |
| Kggk | :P | 06:53 |
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| pupnik | man -03 does take time | 06:55 |
| elb | Kggk: not all keys on the calculator render, and the buttons (including the close button) don't seem to do anything | 06:56 |
| Kggk | on the calculator only? | 06:56 |
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| elb | some buttons work, some don't | 06:58 |
| elb | I can open the calendar, for example, and I can create schedule events by clicking ... but I can't change them in any way, and the little x doesn't destory them | 06:58 |
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| elb | wait, maybe it does -- the clicking area is just *way* too small to hit reliably | 06:59 |
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| Kggk | Overall, would you deem it usable? | 07:00 |
| elb | depends on your definition | 07:00 |
| elb | it's really not prepared for a display with the dot pitch of the tablet | 07:01 |
| elb | the controls and widgets are *tiny* | 07:01 |
| elb | like, 1mm x 1mm for icons and buttons | 07:01 |
| pupnik | Face_stats.cc: In destructor `Face_stats::~Face_stats()': | 07:01 |
| pupnik | Face_stats.cc:308: internal compiler error: in verify_local_live_at_start, at flow.c:546 | 07:01 |
| pupnik | Please submit a full bug report, | 07:01 |
| pupnik | argh | 07:01 |
| jott | pupnik: yeah seen a couple of those ;) | 07:02 |
| jott | gcc 3.4.4 is really buggy | 07:02 |
| jott | you can work around a copule of those bugs | 07:03 |
| pupnik | it's related to my cflags perhaps | 07:03 |
| pupnik | but i want to use these cflags :( | 07:03 |
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| elb | it's much more usable on my desktop | 07:04 |
| pupnik | googling it ... any ideas jott? | 07:04 |
| elb | actually, it's pretty impressive | 07:04 |
| Kggk | Is there anyone here I could persuade to work along with the community in "sizing it up" for some smaller tablets? (somewhat of a Resolution) option | 07:05 |
| Kggk | Thank you, elb :) | 07:05 |
| jott | pupnik: not adhoc.. in the end it would be so nice to use gcc 4.x.. or atleast have a patched 3.4.4 :) | 07:06 |
| Kggk | Also, thank you General Antilles for your help | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cool stuff. | 07:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | The browser-OS stuff just doesn't really appeal to me much. ;) | 07:07 |
| pupnik | hey jott, i just reran the g++ line without -03 and it compiled! | 07:07 |
| jott | ah nice | 07:07 |
| jott | easy solution ;) | 07:07 |
| Kggk | Ah, as it doesn't along with maaany others. Trust me, i've heard it all ;) | 07:07 |
| jott | i had some which where not that trivial ;) | 07:07 |
| pupnik | but when i go back to 'make' it, it tries to recompile Face_stats | 07:07 |
| pupnik | how can i tell 'make' that i compiled the .o already? | 07:08 |
| pupnik | i thought it would skip it with the new timestamp | 07:08 |
| pupnik | or does it detect "ahh i want to build face_stats with different cflags ? | 07:08 |
| jott | no.. depends on how the makefile is written | 07:08 |
| pupnik | ok | 07:09 |
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| jott | you could add the face_stats file to the makefile | 07:11 |
| jott | it will be prefered | 07:11 |
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| pupnik | it's already in the gumps/Makefile as a dep_file | 07:11 |
| K-Fox | is it possible to connect internet to USB, Desktop <-usb--> n800 network? | 07:12 |
| jott | then add a -O0 or whatever behind the $(CFLAGS) ;) | 07:12 |
| K-Fox | i am serious | 07:13 |
| K-Fox | anyone there? | 07:13 |
| pupnik | yes | 07:14 |
| jott | K-Fox: sure | 07:14 |
| jott | (it's possible) | 07:14 |
| K-Fox | how? | 07:14 |
| K-Fox | link | 07:14 |
| jott | google usb networking maemo 4 | 07:14 |
| K-Fox | ok | 07:14 |
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| pupnik | btw that right mouse button stuff was embarassingly simple | 07:18 |
| pupnik | pathetic i didn't include it last year | 07:19 |
| pupnik | jott: i'd like to do a proper xsp scaler-addition if possible | 07:19 |
| jott | you are always wiser afterwards ;) | 07:19 |
| pupnik | not just a set-res hack | 07:19 |
| jott | libsdl based? | 07:20 |
| pupnik | so when selecting scalers in menu, you can still choose scale2x, 2xsai and then xsp as a new alternative | 07:20 |
| jott | or without touching the core? | 07:20 |
| pupnik | it uses the x extensions | 07:20 |
| pupnik | no this would change the source | 07:20 |
| pupnik | by adding a user-selectable hardware scaler | 07:20 |
| pupnik | so before each blit, there's essentially a stub scaler routine, along with a call to Xsp set pixel-doubling | 07:22 |
| jott | yeah | 07:22 |
| pupnik | also what fps did you select while playing? | 07:22 |
| jott | uhm did not choose any.. | 07:23 |
| pupnik | i don't understand how it affects gameplay yet | 07:23 |
| jott | it ran farliy well.. | 07:23 |
| pupnik | ok | 07:23 |
| jott | i haven't been in a fight yet so i can't tell for sure ;) | 07:23 |
| pupnik | you know there's a walking and running mode? | 07:23 |
| pupnik | when you move with stylus, does it walk, or run, or choose to walk or run based on distance of stylus click from avatar? | 07:24 |
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| jott | based on the distance from the avatar.. | 07:24 |
| pupnik | ok perfect | 07:24 |
| jott | the arrow gets longer | 07:24 |
| pupnik | is the threshold for longer-arrow acceptable? or should we shorten/lengthen the minimum distance? | 07:25 |
| pupnik | (still building....) | 07:25 |
| jott | i think it's actually quite ok.. | 07:25 |
| jott | but ymmv... | 07:25 |
| jott | you make an optimized build? | 07:26 |
| pupnik | right now the final link fails because i pulled out Face_stats from the gumps/Makefile | 07:26 |
| jott | yieks ;) | 07:27 |
| pupnik | but i try to manually override the final link | 07:27 |
| pupnik | later i'll just build with -O2 | 07:27 |
| pupnik | ok that worked | 07:28 |
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| pupnik | -O3 junkie here | 07:28 |
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| rojero | Is it possible to test *.vkb in the scratchbox? And if yes what should i google? | 07:32 |
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| pupnik | argh, toggle works but avatar no movee | 07:35 |
| jott | hmm.. | 07:36 |
| pupnik | gotta check my event.button.buttons | 07:36 |
| pupnik | found it :) | 07:44 |
| K-Fox | what does it need to install xterm? i cannot install it osso-xterm_0.13.mh24bora1_armel.deb | 07:44 |
| K-Fox | using n800 | 07:44 |
| pupnik | how are you trying to install it? | 07:45 |
| K-Fox | i did try to copy it to n800 | 07:45 |
| pupnik | and then? | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | You on OS2008, K-Fox? | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's installed by default | 07:46 |
| K-Fox | on 2007 | 07:46 |
| K-Fox | after click double, unable to install some packages required for the installation are missing | 07:47 |
| K-Fox | this message is out | 07:47 |
| pupnik | ok this is normal when you 'install from file' | 07:47 |
| pupnik | if you do not have the dependencies in your repository | 07:48 |
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| pupnik | K-Fox, easier if you open this webpage on N800 http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php | 07:48 |
| pupnik | then select device OS = OS2007 | 07:48 |
| pupnik | then enter xterm and search | 07:49 |
| K-Fox | i did copy it to default memory card | 07:49 |
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| pupnik | then you can click to install the maemo-hackers repository | 07:49 |
| K-Fox | ok | 07:49 |
| pupnik | if you install from file, and the package requires dependencies that are not in your repository list, the install will fail | 07:49 |
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| rm_you | inz: you there? | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | K-Fox, just flash OS2008. | 07:56 |
| rm_you | yeah... | 07:56 |
| rm_you | the entire maemo community really needs to just be forced to upgrade <_< | 07:56 |
| K-Fox | upgrade? | 07:57 |
| rm_you | to os2008 | 07:57 |
| K-Fox | ok | 07:57 |
| k-s | rm_you: if they had updated 770/HE to use chinook base, including kernel, it would help | 07:57 |
| k-s | also, flash support for web browser | 07:58 |
| K-Fox | How to update the N800's firmware | 08:00 |
| K-Fox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6zDs9Ht0hw <-- os 2008? | 08:00 |
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| pupnik_ | jott: well there are some differences in exult.cc i'm not accounting for | 08:11 |
| corevette | when was the latest 770HE released? | 08:12 |
| fysa | http://www.sand-labs.org/owb/wiki/OwbN800 | 08:13 |
| oil | can you recommend a good music player for linux (ubuntu laptop) ? I currently have rythmbox and I do not like it | 08:13 |
| fysa | xmms | 08:14 |
| fysa | if you like WinAmp. | 08:14 |
| oil | ok. could try that one. how about amarok? | 08:14 |
| oil | looks quite nice http://amarok.kde.org/features | 08:14 |
| corevette | oil: amarok | 08:14 |
| corevette | oil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_media_players | 08:15 |
| fysa | amarok is nice, but for kde I think. | 08:18 |
| oil | corevette: thanks. I think the problem is that there is way too many players currently. therefore need to ask from real people which is good :) | 08:18 |
| oil | fysa: how does it matter that it's for kde and not for gnome? any functionalities, just don't look so nice? | 08:20 |
| corevette | oil: honestly though from personal opinion | 08:20 |
| corevette | oil: rhythmbox is too simple for me, amarok is coming out with a new version soon and i don't want to use the old version | 08:21 |
| oil | I'm downloading the amarok now. let's see how it looks like. | 08:21 |
| corevette | oil: this is what i use at the moment: http://www.songbirdnest.com/ | 08:21 |
| fysa | http://www.listen-project.org/ | 08:21 |
| fysa | "Listen" i sanother | 08:21 |
| fysa | is another | 08:21 |
| fysa | amarok will run in gnome, just uses a different set of libs. | 08:22 |
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| fysa | http://www.exaile.org/ | 08:23 |
| fysa | another amarok-clone for gnome | 08:23 |
| fysa | or GTK | 08:23 |
| fysa | http://www.exaile.org/screenshots/7/exaile_large.jpg | 08:23 |
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| K-Fox | where is os 2008? | 08:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php | 08:39 |
| K-Fox | thanks.. | 08:42 |
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| pupnik_ | afk conosolation pizza | 08:48 |
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| K-Fox | i did try to install openssh on n800 (os 2008) but cannot , error message is " unable to install openssh some application packages required for the installation "are missing | 10:08 |
| K-Fox | why? | 10:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there a details button? | 10:08 |
| K-Fox | ok | 10:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's either before or after you attempt the install. | 10:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it'll tell you what packages are missing | 10:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | then go over to gronmayer.com/it and search for the missing packages | 10:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | then add those repositories. | 10:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | A pretty fair number of dependencies can be solved by adding Bora Extras | 10:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish gronmayer weren't so script-driven. <_< | 10:11 |
| K-Fox | gronmayer | 10:11 |
| K-Fox | ? | 10:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | 10:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an index of all the repositories. | 10:11 |
| K-Fox | ok | 10:11 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, bora extras on OS2008? | 10:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 10:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Solves a lot of dependency issues | 10:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it did. | 10:13 |
| K-Fox | after adding bora extras , do it install openssh? | 10:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure how much stuff is actually in chinook extras now. | 10:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It may. | 10:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check the details button for information about missing packages, K-Fox. | 10:14 |
| johnx | openssh should depend on next to nothing... | 10:14 |
| K-Fox | trying... | 10:14 |
| johnx | K-Fox, Did you use a "click to install" link for openssh? Where did you find it? | 10:15 |
| K-Fox | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.0/free/o/openssh/ | 10:15 |
| johnx | so you just downloaded a .deb file? | 10:15 |
| K-Fox | here .. | 10:15 |
| K-Fox | ok | 10:15 |
| K-Fox | my n800 dont work network | 10:16 |
| johnx | aaaah | 10:16 |
| johnx | I see | 10:16 |
| johnx | don't get the dependencies from bora extras | 10:16 |
| K-Fox | i am trying to set usb network | 10:17 |
| johnx | chinook extras | 10:17 |
| K-Fox | ok | 10:17 |
| johnx | chinook = OS2008 | 10:17 |
| johnx | bora = OS2007 | 10:17 |
| K-Fox | oh ~~ | 10:17 |
| johnx | the depends for openssh-server is: | 10:18 |
| johnx | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libssl0.9.7, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), openssh-common (= 1:4.6p1-5.maemo1), dpkg (>= 1.9.0) | 10:18 |
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| johnx | so just grab openssh-common and maybe libssl0.9.7 from chinook extras | 10:18 |
| b0unc3 | good morning | 10:19 |
| johnx | mornin' | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | K-Fox, next step is to get yourself a wireless router. :P | 10:20 |
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| b0unc3 | hi johnx , how proceed your work on debian ? | 10:22 |
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| johnx | well there was the newer release a couple days ago | 10:22 |
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| johnx | haven't done much since then | 10:22 |
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| b0unc3 | uhm... newer release... I have not yet tried it... | 10:24 |
| b0unc3 | i will try... | 10:24 |
| johnx | http://internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian#Download | 10:24 |
| johnx | it has the new debian hildon packages installed | 10:24 |
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| b0unc3 | johnx: some news about 'powersave' ? | 10:27 |
| BugBlue | morning | 10:28 |
| johnx | b0unc3, I'll probably try to look at that next | 10:28 |
| johnx | if you turn off watchdog you should be able to suspend-to-ram no problem | 10:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx can we get Debian to the point where we can just install ITOS packages? | 10:29 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: yeah... I tried hibernate... but with watchdog on ... :( | 10:30 |
| johnx | b0unc3, the first time I tried it I resumed in <10 seconds so I thought it worked fine | 10:30 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, probably not | 10:31 |
| johnx | many of them can just be repacked in an automated way, some of them might need to be recompiled, and some might need to be modified to not depend on Nokia closed-source stuff | 10:31 |
| johnx | also, it should be possible to make packages that work on both | 10:32 |
| johnx | for simple apps it's just a matter of saying "Depends: libhildon1 | libhildon-1-0, ..." | 10:33 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: hibernate works great... but when I tried it for the first time when the tablet wakeup it reboot itself and the hibernate files result to be broken... | 10:34 |
| johnx | hibernate as in "suspend to disk"? | 10:35 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: to ram :P | 10:35 |
| johnx | hmm | 10:36 |
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| Alendit | hi all | 10:37 |
| johnx | hi | 10:37 |
| Alendit | have anyone some experience on setting up scratchbox + maemo on a x86_64 machine? | 10:38 |
| Alendit | tried it with chroot | 10:38 |
| Alendit | and with howto from http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=453 | 10:39 |
| Alendit | but when i start af-sb-init.sh i get 1) dbus error (missing /var/lib/dbus/machine-id, 2) "can't get address for localhost:6002" -error | 10:41 |
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| pupnik_ | i'll try 64 in 5 years | 10:44 |
| Alendit | ^^ | 10:45 |
| johnx | actually...does anyone know how much powersaving stuff is actually outside the kernel? | 10:46 |
| Alendit | some funny commentars on errors? :) | 10:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to say "a lot"? | 10:46 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, that's what I thought too | 10:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just thinking about the overclocking haxing that was going on. | 10:47 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, all the clock stuff is in the kernel... | 10:47 |
| johnx | I'm really not so sure though...dsme does basically not that much | 10:48 |
| johnx | if we ignore it we can just forget it exists it seems | 10:48 |
| Alendit | ok, dbus error is no more - copied machine-id from chroot | 10:48 |
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| pupnik_ | madness madness | 10:57 |
| johnx | you called? | 10:57 |
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| pupnik_ | the exult.cc event loop is driving me mad. i removed all references to right mouse button, but it still works | 10:59 |
| pupnik_ | there's a whining sound in my brain | 10:59 |
| pupnik_ | the walls are bending | 10:59 |
| johnx | yeah, I'm looking at power management so I'll probably join you shortly... | 11:00 |
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| _collin_ | he | 11:01 |
| Alendit | f$#!, just a /etc/hosts problem -.- | 11:04 |
| Alendit | in default installation localhost wasn't bound to 127.0.0.1 | 11:05 |
| Alendit | it works now | 11:05 |
| _collin_ | can any one test something for me? | 11:07 |
| johnx | sure | 11:07 |
| johnx | what is it? | 11:07 |
| _collin_ | install of an app | 11:08 |
| _collin_ | people report it says incompatible | 11:08 |
| johnx | link? | 11:08 |
| _collin_ | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2008/iphome/?get_installfile | 11:09 |
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| johnx | "Unable to install iphone" "Incompatible application package" | 11:11 |
| pupnik_ | _collin_: did you make sure sectionL was user/??? | 11:11 |
| pupnik_ | section: | 11:11 |
| _collin_ | user/tools | 11:12 |
| _collin_ | works on my n800 | 11:12 |
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| solmumaha | pupnik_: can you help me out? do you have ruby-packages in your n810? | 11:13 |
| pupnik_ | i have ruby installed | 11:13 |
| johnx | ah, hang on there were two search results for iphome | 11:14 |
| _collin_ | yes I know | 11:14 |
| johnx | both give the same result though | 11:15 |
| pupnik_ | jkkkkkkkkkkkkk | 11:15 |
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| johnx | _collin_, uhm...this might be me being dumb but is the install file supposed to say repo_deb_3 or repo_deb_4 for chinook? | 11:16 |
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| _collin_ | uhh | 11:28 |
| _collin_ | deb_4 right | 11:28 |
| solmumaha | pupnik_: sry, power failure. you don't have the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives? | 11:30 |
| solmumaha | ruby-maemo site is always down and i my n800 went into a reboot loop so i had to reflash it | 11:31 |
| pupnik_ | no sorry | 11:32 |
| pupnik_ | why do we even have /var/cache/apt/archives on tablets | 11:32 |
| _collin_ | johnx: can you try again | 11:32 |
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| johnx | sure | 11:33 |
| solmumaha | pupnik_: k, thanks | 11:33 |
| _collin_ | I never use maemo.org/downloads just way to slow | 11:33 |
| johnx | sometimes it actually times out on me... | 11:34 |
| _collin_ | yes I have this quite often | 11:34 |
| johnx | when I search for it I still get two results. Does each one have the updated .install file? | 11:35 |
| _collin_ | no I guess only the first one with 10 downloads | 11:35 |
| _collin_ | I'm trying to remove the second one | 11:36 |
| johnx | it still shows up as repo_deb_3 here | 11:36 |
| _collin_ | mmh | 11:36 |
| _collin_ | page still looooooooooooooding | 11:37 |
| _collin_ | so I guess Im fixing it later | 11:37 |
| _collin_ | need to go AFK | 11:37 |
| _collin_ | thanks johnx | 11:37 |
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| _collin_ | cya | 11:38 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:41 |
| LoCusF | mornings | 11:44 |
| Doni^ | mornigs | 11:46 |
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| pupnik_ | BOB SAGET | 12:06 |
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| pupnik_ | does scratchbox vim support parenthesis matching hilighting | 12:34 |
| pupnik_ | my eyes are starting to blur | 12:34 |
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| b0unc3 | pupnik_: it depends on the .vimrc... though.. | 12:38 |
| pupnik_ | i don't think it does | 12:38 |
| pupnik_ | i may be adding the wrong options to .vimrc | 12:38 |
| b0unc3 | uhmm... maybe you are right... it seems not to support parenthesis matching... | 12:41 |
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| pupnik_ | ok found it by commenting-out chunks | 12:44 |
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| johnx | has anyone rebuilt a kernel with CONFIG_TIMER_STATS | 12:46 |
| johnx | ? | 12:46 |
| johnx | seems to fail badly for me... | 12:46 |
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| braddbr | anyone use arch linux for building n800 apps? | 13:09 |
| braddbr | i'm trying to find xephyr for it | 13:10 |
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| lardman | morning all | 13:11 |
| johnx | mornin' | 13:11 |
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| lcuk_2 | hmmmm, my battery is at near top (after leaving for a night without charging) for only the second time since i bought it | 14:10 |
| lcuk_2 | "by jove, i think i've got it!" | 14:10 |
| lcuk_2 | in vmware maemo box - am i supposed to still be able to run the zephyr emulated maemo thingy when i switch the target to chinook-armel. it runs if i switch target to x86 (which is to be expected) but should it actually fail on armel? | 14:16 |
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| sp3000 | afaiui that's expected | 14:34 |
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| thopiekar | hi @ all | 14:40 |
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| philn_ | hi | 14:54 |
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| philn_ | i'm looking for gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad package.. | 15:00 |
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| philn_ | i added maemo-extra repository but doesn't seem to be there | 15:01 |
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| thopiekar | I've got a question ... is the main Nokia repo really down?? there is a message about an MD5-Sum which fail... any solution(s)?? | 15:08 |
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| lcuk_2 | thopiekar, it seems to be a problem with the akemia cache in different countries (from what i read) | 15:08 |
| thopiekar | aha | 15:09 |
| thopiekar | so.. can i fix that problem?? | 15:09 |
| lcuk_2 | im not sure... | 15:09 |
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| thopiekar | i will try i with: |sudo gainroot|apt-get clean|apt-get update|... | 15:12 |
| thopiekar | *it | 15:12 |
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| thopiekar | http://us.tabletrepo.com chinook Release.gpg > Connection time out.. | 15:20 |
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| thopiekar | cu | 15:24 |
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| maddler | hey all | 15:25 |
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| djtansey | how can i find some of the basic debs for my n810? like metalayer-crawler0? | 15:31 |
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| lardman | djtansey: should be in the main repo | 15:36 |
| hahlo | does this bootmenu decrease battery life? | 15:37 |
| djtansey | lardman: it isn't. apt-cache search metalayer just gives libmetalayer0 (when run after removing metalayer-crawler0) | 15:37 |
| lardman | hmm, fair enough, I don't know then | 15:37 |
| lardman | hahlo: I can't see why it would | 15:37 |
| djtansey | lardman: thanks anyways. | 15:37 |
| lardman | np | 15:38 |
| hahlo | lardman: just full battery drained fast afterwards when tried to boot from card | 15:38 |
| hahlo | it didn't boot from card | 15:39 |
| hahlo | just tried and went back to flash | 15:39 |
| lardman | Well I'd expect running from the card to certainly drain the battery, not sure about your case though | 15:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There's no way the initfs would decrease battery life unless you let it sit at the boot menu forever. | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeout is 30 seconds by default, so that's not really possible. | 15:51 |
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| hahlo | ok and after boot mmc fails it drop in normal boot? | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 15:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Out of interest, has anybody tried booting from an external hard drive? | 15:56 |
| hahlo | i got two sd cards mmc1 split in two partitions for some reason only first partition mounts automatically | 15:57 |
| hahlo | i even did mount point for it /media/mmc3 didn't help | 15:59 |
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| trevarthan | Hello... Has anyone written a facebook notifier for the system tray? I'd like for my led to blink when I get a new message. | 16:35 |
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| alterego | I wonder if Nokia moving to Qt for Series 40/60 is to bring more open source developers to Symbian, there really isn't much free open software out there for that platform yet. | 17:04 |
| maddler | alterego: true... true... | 17:04 |
| maddler | and also Qtopia could bring some resh air... | 17:05 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 17:05 |
| maddler | I would be really curious about a QT based Nokia phone | 17:05 |
| alterego | Though, my personal preference toward Gtk+ aside. Having an open source OS on my phone would be awesome. | 17:05 |
| maddler | that could also bring easier sync with Linux PCs | 17:06 |
| alterego | Shame I'm stuck with S60 3rd really :D | 17:06 |
| maddler | alterego: yeah... | 17:06 |
| alterego | Oh, and my distaste for C++ .. | 17:06 |
| maddler | I mean... I'm happy with my n95-2... but... having QT apps on it... could make it even better! | 17:06 |
| alterego | I somehow doubt that our generation of phones will be able to run this new platform they're devising. | 17:07 |
| alterego | And we probably wont see it for a year or two. | 17:07 |
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| alterego | I think half of the Symbian problem is the lack of a native Linux SDK, from what I remember setting up the SDK under Linux was a pain in the ass. | 17:07 |
| alterego | I am however tempted to get back into development with Series 60, now I can use a paravirtualized windows guest on my machine to do the development in. | 17:08 |
| alterego | Well, to do the testing in :) | 17:08 |
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| maddler | alterego: true... true... | 17:10 |
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| maddler | I think first QT based phones won't be released before 2010 | 17:11 |
| alterego | I'm gonna have a play with Python S60 for a few minutes :) | 17:11 |
| maddler | hehehe... downloaded it... but never played :) | 17:12 |
| alterego | Hmm, actually I'll see how the Ruby port is going ;) | 17:12 |
| alterego | Wow, it's actually endorsed by Symbian now .. | 17:13 |
| alterego | Oh, this is going to be fun. | 17:13 |
| maddler | indeed... | 17:14 |
| * alterego gets wicked plans of Ruby on his phone talking to Ruby on his tablet. | 17:14 | |
| * maddler 's watching ITA-IRE rugby match :) | 17:15 | |
| alterego | I can effectively export the entire API from the phone to the tablet. So it can use the services the phone offers more effectively. | 17:15 |
| alterego | What channel? | 17:15 |
| maddler | I'm in ITA :) | 17:15 |
| alterego | Ah, okay ;) | 17:15 |
| maddler | hehehe | 17:15 |
| maddler | great match btw | 17:16 |
| alterego | Awesome. | 17:16 |
| maddler | at least we only are -7 :) | 17:16 |
| maddler | could be WORSE playing against Ireland :) | 17:16 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:16 |
| a-l-p-h-a | is there a way to format an mmc card inside the 770 from teh CLI? | 17:16 |
| alterego | mkfs a-l-p-h-a | 17:16 |
| maddler | or mkfs.vfat iirc | 17:17 |
| sp3000 | hmm, the comments in mce.ini seem off | 17:17 |
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| sp3000 | 00 seems to be 1 step, not 0 steps | 17:17 |
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| a-l-p-h-a | trying to test this rs-mmc card I bought off ebay. | 17:17 |
| sp3000 | for one, otherwise it would be weitd to pad patterns with a bunch of 00s | 17:18 |
| sp3000 | also, 105f and 202f last the same time, whereas 1060 and 2030 don't | 17:18 |
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| sp3000 | or, perhaps one of the steps just always is a nop (non-inc/decrementing) step | 17:20 |
| sp3000 | that sounds most plausible I suppose | 17:20 |
| alterego | Your email has address has been rejected as we do not accept registrations from publicly available email domains (e.g. gmail, yahoo, hotmail etc). | 17:20 |
| alterego | Those bastards. | 17:20 |
| * sp3000 just finds it annoying to try to keep led colors with different values in sync when 40/2 != 20 etc | 17:21 | |
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| alterego | Jeez, you still have to use MSVC for symbian dev? Horrible .. | 17:32 |
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| alterego | Okay .. Maybe not. | 17:34 |
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| derf | Finally got my N810... delivered to me (by a friend) in Japan. | 17:48 |
| derf | Can't seem to get it to work with my external BT GPS. | 17:48 |
| derf | Just repeats "Searching for GPS receiver" forever. | 17:48 |
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| johnx | take it to a southward facing window and give it a *long* time | 17:49 |
| K-Fox | hi | 17:49 |
| johnx | hi | 17:49 |
| derf | johnx: Huh? | 17:49 |
| johnx | derf, the first fix apparently takes forever | 17:49 |
| johnx | ah | 17:49 |
| johnx | never mind | 17:49 |
| K-Fox | johnx: are you robot? | 17:50 |
| johnx | didn't read what you wrote properly | 17:50 |
| johnx | K-Fox, yes | 17:50 |
| K-Fox | ha | 17:50 |
| johnx | I am the channel's factoid bot | 17:50 |
| onion | derf: in the GPS control panel ? | 17:50 |
| derf | In maemo mapper. | 17:50 |
| K-Fox | wow | 17:50 |
| onion | derf: you must have bluetooth enabled | 17:50 |
| derf | I do. | 17:51 |
| onion | derf: from the control panel as | 17:51 |
| derf | I've got a bluetooth icon that is now bright blue. | 17:51 |
| onion | derf: then it should work | 17:51 |
| derf | And a satellite icon. | 17:51 |
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| johnx | derf, have you tried it with the built-in maps application? | 17:52 |
| derf | johnx: No. | 17:52 |
| onion | derf: have you selected to use external gps from the gps control panel? | 17:53 |
| derf | onion: Yes. | 17:53 |
| derf | And from within maemo mapper... which is relatively confusing. | 17:53 |
| derf | If mm is accessing it directly via BT, what does it need the GPS control panel for? | 17:53 |
| derf | Okay, I got it to work. | 17:54 |
| onion | derf: maemo mapper uses the gps framework now only afaik | 17:54 |
| fatal- | has anybody else seen the same behaviour: the battery on n810 dies in less than 24 hours | 17:54 |
| derf | onion: It should probably not have settings for the other things, then. | 17:54 |
| fatal- | I just keep wondering does the gps stay up and running even it's claimed to be dead | 17:54 |
| derf | I'll have to bug John about it when I get back to the states. | 17:54 |
| derf | (he applied my caching patch, apparently, which was nice, though) | 17:55 |
| lcuk_2 | Fatal- yes | 17:55 |
| derf | Anyway... I had to disable GPS in the control panel, and then re-enable it, before it would work. | 17:55 |
| lcuk_2 | ahhh dont know to second question | 17:55 |
| derf | I have no idea why. | 17:55 |
| fatal- | lcuk_2: do you have any explanation why this happens? | 17:55 |
| lcuk_2 | battery on my 810 would normally be flat if i left it overnight | 17:55 |
| lcuk_2 | i seem to have abated it by changing the display settings | 17:56 |
| zoran | background process? | 17:56 |
| sp3000 | I should make my incremental top script suck less | 17:57 |
| lcuk_2 | i had it set as such: brightness period: 2 minutes, swithc off display: 5 minutes. i noticed it stayed illuminated when locked with the slider on top. i have set both to 2 minutes and it now goes fully off when i lock it. the last 2 days i have done this the battery has been in same place as it was left | 17:57 |
| lcuk_2 | before the battery would have been flat | 17:57 |
| johnx | so you think the screen was staying lit for hours off of power? | 17:58 |
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| lcuk_2 | dont think so, it did appear to disable itself after 5 minutes | 17:58 |
| zoran | what if you sift through ps? | 17:59 |
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| lcuk_2 | ive tried that but its not easy, i want to get some stats built up about whats happening when screen is off | 18:00 |
| lcuk_2 | i need a good chart history | 18:00 |
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| zoran | bigger number, newer process | 18:01 |
| lcuk_2 | i have been pondering if the screen refresh for the load-applet itself might be doing it | 18:01 |
| zoran | and shutdown -r now could help, if you have hidden processes | 18:01 |
| lcuk_2 | there is no real perfmon/regmon/filemon for maemo is there | 18:02 |
| johnx | on a related note, I tried to get powertop working earlier but it needed a kernel with CONFIG_TIMER_STATS and when I built the kernel with that option wireless didn't work in OS2008 and also I couldn't boot from SD... | 18:02 |
| lcuk_2 | wireless involves you copying over the custom nokia .ko doesnt it? | 18:03 |
| lcuk_2 | as in build kernel, replace stock wirelessdriver with the one from your device | 18:03 |
| johnx | wireless driver is module | 18:03 |
| johnx | I built a kernel of the same version and dropped just the kernel image in place | 18:04 |
| lcuk_2 | not sure then, i just spotted something talking about it | 18:04 |
| johnx | I think it was something more though | 18:04 |
| johnx | it kernel panic'ed booting from SD... | 18:04 |
| johnx | hmm...I might actually need to rebuild the other modules to match that kernel...maybe? | 18:05 |
| johnx | ah well, another time | 18:05 |
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| VRe | Something I have installed few weeks ago really eats battery.. now standby lasts only day.. other symptom is that when no near wlan the wireless search box pops up. Anybody had similar problem? | 18:09 |
| VRe | maybe cpu-time will expose that bastard.. | 18:10 |
| johnx | no, but it must be an app that wants access to the network | 18:10 |
| VRe | Yeah, that I figured too :) | 18:10 |
| VRe | johnx: hows your debian port advancing? | 18:12 |
| johnx | VRe, a bit at a time | 18:12 |
| johnx | I'm trying to investigate exactly what's going on with power management, how much if it is in the kernel and how much we need to rely on dsme/bme | 18:12 |
| johnx | also the pkg-maemo guys finally got the basic hildon stuff into debian proper, which makes things very interesting | 18:13 |
| VRe | nice | 18:14 |
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| kpel | hi all | 18:15 |
| johnx | VRe, you could disconnect your tablet from wireless at home and then wait for this mystery app to connect it and run netstat | 18:15 |
| johnx | you could probably automate the check with dbus even :) | 18:15 |
| VRe | with the binary wrapper around the wlan driver the power management might be the biggest obstacle now | 18:15 |
| K-Fox | where is libc6.dev? | 18:16 |
| VRe | johnx: I was thinking of listening on dbus | 18:16 |
| K-Fox | i am trying to install the openssh | 18:16 |
| johnx | K-Fox, openssh client or server or both? | 18:16 |
| K-Fox | yea~~ | 18:17 |
| johnx | VRe, does wlancond handle all of the power saving? | 18:17 |
| johnx | ick :( | 18:17 |
| K-Fox | i did fail to install client or server by double click | 18:17 |
| K-Fox | on n800 ( os 2008) | 18:18 |
| johnx | right, which one are you trying to install right now? | 18:18 |
| K-Fox | openssh-client_4.6p1-5.maemo1_armel.deb | 18:19 |
| K-Fox | openssh-server_4.6p1-5.maemo1_armel.deb | 18:19 |
| K-Fox | i dont know some application packages required for openssh | 18:20 |
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| zoran | K-Fox, what is an error message? | 18:24 |
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| K-Fox | message is " unable to install openssh-server. some application packages reuired for the installation are missing " | 18:25 |
| zoran | openssl? | 18:25 |
| K-Fox | openssh | 18:25 |
| zoran | no, ssl missing? | 18:26 |
| zoran | googling a little found libpam as culprit on one debian list | 18:27 |
| zoran | maybe | 18:27 |
| K-Fox | unable to install openssh-server. application packages missing: openssh-common(=1:4.6p1-5.maemo1) | 18:28 |
| zoran | :) | 18:28 |
| zoran | install it | 18:28 |
| zoran | if compiled with WITH_OPENSSL_BASE ... | 18:29 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 18:33 |
| K-Fox | right now, i did try to install(openssh-common(=1:4.6p1-5.maemo1), an error message is " unable to install openssh-common. Incompatible application package | 18:33 |
| Andy80 | on my N810 there's a process that is takin up 98% of cpu: telepaty-gabbl :( | 18:34 |
| K-Fox | i dont know how to xx. at all | 18:34 |
| Andy80 | I can kill it... but this should not happen! I imagine the average user trying to understand with all is so slow... | 18:34 |
| zoran | K-Fox, maybe the wrong repo | 18:34 |
| zoran | update it | 18:34 |
| K-Fox | repo? | 18:35 |
| zoran | apt-get update | 18:35 |
| K-Fox | ok | 18:35 |
| K-Fox | gogo | 18:35 |
| zoran | it is so easy to get stranded in dependencies mud... | 18:36 |
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| pupnik | in exult | 19:01 |
| pupnik | i have to increase the radius for click on character conversations | 19:01 |
| pupnik | at 200 dpi it's too hard to target them | 19:01 |
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| _collin_ | who to contact for problems regarding maemo.org/downloads ??? | 19:28 |
| _collin_ | does anyone know | 19:29 |
| sp3000 | what sort of problems? | 19:29 |
| sp3000 | if it's a problem with the service, find/file a bug, bugs.maemo.org, website::repositories | 19:30 |
| sp3000 | er, not repositories | 19:30 |
| sp3000 | website::downloads rather | 19:30 |
| _collin_ | I need to delete one of my apps. | 19:30 |
| _collin_ | there are two versions in their databbase | 19:31 |
| _collin_ | and it somehow fucksup the install file | 19:31 |
| _collin_ | actually the app exists 3 times because there is still the old version in OS2007 ... such a mess | 19:32 |
| sp3000 | dunno, I don't see other contact details, so I guess bugzilla applies | 19:35 |
| * sp3000 doesn't do downloads from the provider side | 19:35 | |
| sp3000 | so there's probably docs I haven't seen or something | 19:35 |
| _collin_ | ok | 19:36 |
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| killfill | hey.. | 19:43 |
| killfill | cannot find a vnc server to install | 19:43 |
| killfill | is there one? | 19:43 |
| lcuk_2 | yes there is, but i havent found it since i reflashed - it was available right at the start | 19:44 |
| killfill | me neither.. | 19:45 |
| lcuk_2 | http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 | 19:46 |
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| sp3000 | hmm | 19:48 |
| sp3000 | PatternBatteryLow used to do stuff | 19:48 |
| * sp3000 would like a PatternWtfWokeMeUp | 19:48 | |
| sp3000 | I even made 10;1;30;105f105f41df41df7f830000;301f301f439f439f7f830000;0000, it looks pretty | 19:49 |
| sp3000 | (and added in LEDPatterns, and set enabled in /system/osso/dsm/leds) | 19:49 |
| sp3000 | (neither of which helps if nothing wants to use it these days of course) | 19:50 |
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| lardman | evening all | 19:53 |
| lardman | any subversion gurus about? | 19:53 |
| pupnik | not me | 19:54 |
| pupnik | lardman: is there a gcc 4.x for chinook? | 19:54 |
| pupnik | the benchmarks seem to indicate it is better than 3.4.x | 19:54 |
| lardman | You could use one built using OE | 19:55 |
| lardman | not sure how well things would like running with it though | 19:55 |
| pupnik | oki | 19:56 |
| jott | pupnik: there is also a codesourcery gcc 4.2.1 toolchain | 19:56 |
| jott | but OE should be better ;) | 19:56 |
| jott | http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ | 19:57 |
| lardman | Hmm, I've done a checkout of my empty repo, now I want to add some files | 19:57 |
| pupnik | ok ty | 19:57 |
| pupnik | jott i found the error today - playtested the exult patch | 19:57 |
| lardman | svn add /some/path/here results in "svn: '../..' is not a working copy" | 19:57 |
| pupnik | targeting people for conversation was too difficult - needs a larger radius | 19:57 |
| pupnik | otherwise very nice | 19:57 |
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| sp3000 | where'd you get ../.. ? | 19:58 |
| lardman | yeah, slightly different path | 19:58 |
| sp3000 | ah, files you add maust be in the working copy | 19:58 |
| sp3000 | must even | 19:58 |
| lardman | it would say /some/path is not a working copy | 19:58 |
| lardman | how do I add them to the working copy? | 19:58 |
| sp3000 | so you'd copy them into the wc and then add | 19:58 |
| hahlo | is this howto still up2date http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card | 19:59 |
| sp3000 | (where working copy is ~where you did the checkout) | 20:00 |
| lardman | ah, so just a normal copy operation | 20:00 |
| lardman | I see | 20:00 |
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| hahlo | at least this didn't work mkdir /opt/ | 20:01 |
| lardman | sp3000: Thanks :) | 20:01 |
| pH5 | lardman: is there any example code using the SIO_create call somewhere? | 20:01 |
| pH5 | I have implemented the DSP_CMD_INIT_STATE/DSP_CMD_INIT/DSP_INIT_CLOSE socket commands, and the EAP_RequestStream works. But SIO_create always returns NULL. | 20:02 |
| lardman | pH5: In the Ti device driver writing documentation | 20:02 |
| pH5 | ah, thanks. | 20:02 |
| lardman | pH5: search for "55" on this page for the right section, then scroll down: http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/psheets/man_dsp.htm | 20:02 |
| sp3000 | that reminds me, one day I need to figure out branches in git | 20:02 |
| sp3000 | I just make more clones now :) | 20:02 |
| pH5 | there was some DSP/BIOS driver developer's manual | 20:03 |
| * sp3000 doesn't trust himself+git with branching otherwise :) | 20:03 | |
| lardman | yes, that may be the one, I can't remember, lots of docs there | 20:03 |
| * pH5 loves branching in git | 20:04 | |
| * lardman avoids using any sort of repo, though they are useful | 20:08 | |
| * lardman wishes he'd used one for his code during PhD, would have made life soooo much easier | 20:09 | |
| derf | I didn't use one during mine... never missed it. | 20:09 |
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| pupnik | well i made a tiny little fix to one package today | 20:09 |
| lardman | derf: I think it would have been good to keep track of code versions and why I made certain changes | 20:10 |
| b0unc3 | guys there is any way to set the pkg dependencies (on the control file) depending on the os-version ? | 20:10 |
| pupnik | jott, so should i make an installer that overrides default libsdl with yours and runs ldconfig? | 20:10 |
| pupnik | i mean, seriously nokia has broken libsdl and you FIXED IT | 20:10 |
| pupnik | YOU | 20:10 |
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| johnx | b0unc3, you can use a '|' to mean 'or' | 20:16 |
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| Deformative | What is the name of the alternate browser? | 20:19 |
| johnx | Deformative, there were a couple: owb, minimo and ... something else I don't remember | 20:20 |
| lardman | hmm, I just commited my files, but I can't see them in the SVN web browsing tool | 20:20 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: ok, thank you | 20:21 |
| lardman | hmm, if svn couldn't find a file which I'd added when I tried to do the commit, would it stop the commit? | 20:23 |
| lardman | which I'd added then deleted (without doing svn rm) before the commit | 20:24 |
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| lardman | yay! code in the repo | 20:26 |
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| pH5 | lardman: yay :) | 20:30 |
| killfill | hey guys.. i still cannot hear ogg streams with canola (beta2) | 20:33 |
| killfill | anyone can?.. | 20:33 |
| k-s[AWAY] | killfill: just hear (play) or they're not recognized? | 20:35 |
| sp3000 | haha | 20:42 |
| * sp3000 ports inctop from perl to sh | 20:42 | |
| sp3000 | it's only 200x slower | 20:42 |
| sp3000 | ...what you get for having to invoke 10*n processes ;) | 20:43 |
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| |tbb| | whats better of beta2 instead of beta version of canola? | 20:47 |
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| k-s[AWAY] | |tbb|: 770, bug fixes, optimizations, .rm, .wma, .wmv | 20:48 |
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| killfill | k-s[AWAY]: it says its not a valid stream | 20:51 |
| killfill | if i open then same with mplayer it works fine... | 20:51 |
| lardman | pH5: I'll email the list with the current status | 20:52 |
| lardman | the garage one that it | 20:52 |
| lardman | is | 20:52 |
| killfill | "no feed avaible for this URL" | 20:53 |
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| lardman | pH5: let me know if you can't find the SIO stuff and I'll check the docs I've got here | 20:53 |
| killfill | http://www.sofsis.cl:8000/music.ogg | 20:53 |
| k-s[AWAY] | killfill: how about mamemo media player? | 20:53 |
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| killfill | k-s[AWAY]: it works. very slow. and take some minutes to start playing but it does.. | 20:54 |
| killfill | (thats why i dont want to use it... :) | 20:55 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: uhmm... the | seems not to do what I want... | 20:55 |
| alterego | God damn the N80 takes a long time to start up .. | 20:56 |
| sp3000 | oh, it's only 70x slower than the perl on the device | 20:56 |
| * sp3000 giggles | 20:56 | |
| |tbb| | if i run a program from xterm and hit ctrl + c it says Quitting and the programm is closed then, but if i run the program from xterm using myprog & how can i stop the program like ctrl+c do it? is there then the only way to close it with kill pid? | 20:59 |
| killfill | Ctrl+C sends a signal to the program when its in foreground | 20:59 |
| killfill | kill send signals too... | 20:59 |
| sp3000 | |tbb|: jobs, fg | 21:00 |
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| k-s[AWAY] | killfill: it's weird media player works and canola don't | 21:01 |
| k-s[AWAY] | killfill: do you have any special settings in ~/.atabake? | 21:01 |
| b0unc3 | ... it's really annoying to do two deb for the same pkg because the dependencies depend on the ITOS version... :( | 21:01 |
| johnx | b0unc3, what are the differences? | 21:02 |
| b0unc3 | johnx: the nfs module | 21:03 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/NewYear2008sm.jpg i'm an artist | 21:05 |
| |tbb| | killfill, ctrl c is not a proper way then | 21:05 |
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| |tbb| | okay i think i will kill it by kill pid | 21:09 |
| b0unc3 | |tbb|: have you tried killall myprog | 21:10 |
| |tbb| | works also but i was thinking this is not a good thing to do, dunno why ;) | 21:11 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to run a console app so that i cant start it twice, so always one instance is running? | 21:12 |
| pH5 | lardman|tv: ok, found it. it's in the TMS320 DSP/BIOS User's Guide (SPRU423F). | 21:12 |
| Sho_ | Cord, tableteer: One of you around? | 21:12 |
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| Cord | Sho_? | 21:15 |
| Sho_ | Cord: Say, you were one of the guys who got the N810 for 0€ in the discount program, right? Did Nokia charge your CC yet? | 21:15 |
| Cord | Sho_: not afaik. | 21:16 |
| Sho_ | Cord: Mine neither, although there would theoretically be 5€ shipping costs left ... guess their shop software dropped it somewhere at 0€ order price | 21:16 |
| Cord | ack. | 21:17 |
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| pupnik | you know at standard rates in germany, a n810 is worth about 5 hours of developer time | 21:18 |
| Cord | my printout from the shop shows 5EUR shipping, the sheet in the delivery 459EUR, Discout 459EUR, Sum 464EUR | 21:19 |
| pupnik | hah like i work for that | 21:19 |
| Cord | pupnik: if my employee lends me to an external party? 2.5h afaik. | 21:19 |
| Cord | s/employee/employer/ | 21:20 |
| infobot | Cord meant: pupnik: if my employer lends me to an external party? 2.5h afaik. | 21:20 |
| pupnik | yeah | 21:20 |
| pupnik | i remember those rates | 21:20 |
| Cord | we normally don't do that. | 21:21 |
| killfill | k-s[AWAY]: is this special? http://pastebin.ca/889207 | 21:21 |
| Cord | whatever. | 21:22 |
| k-s[AWAY] | killfill: I'm not that familiar with it, MoRpHeUz is, need to ask him later when he's online | 21:23 |
| k-s[AWAY] | killfill: but maybe you can change audio to mplayer | 21:23 |
| Cord | the deal was 100EUR+p&p. if Nokia comes back to that, no problem. If they don't ... other peoples problem. | 21:23 |
| killfill | ok | 21:25 |
| killfill | (nope. still same message with that change) | 21:25 |
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| k-s[AWAY] | damn | 21:26 |
| k-s[AWAY] | killfill: talk to morpheuz when he's online | 21:27 |
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| killfill | ok | 21:27 |
| pupnik | please nokia please make a better dpad for the n9x0 | 21:28 |
| pupnik | but we must sing and dance for the tablets as they are | 21:29 |
| pupnik | they are glorious and shiny | 21:29 |
| pupnik | they help the planet | 21:30 |
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| |tbb| | whats the easiest way to get the current time in osso-xterm | 21:42 |
| b0unc3 | |tbb|: date ? | 21:43 |
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| * sp3000 reformulates: what's the easiest way to get a date in osso-xterm :P | 21:45 | |
| sp3000 | irssi? | 21:45 |
| * sp3000 sobs | 21:45 | |
| mattsqz | its always creepy seeing someone else use one of your old nicks | 21:46 |
| mattsqz | mine was sq000s a long time ago | 21:46 |
| mattsqz | or not use one, but someting similar | 21:46 |
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| |tbb| | b0unc3: thx | 21:47 |
| mattsqz | causes a double take | 21:47 |
| * sp3000 is reminded of the "how did you make that reverse d?" quote | 21:47 | |
| mattsqz | hah | 21:47 |
| sp3000 | (or b, whichever it was) | 21:48 |
| guru3 | d-_-b | 21:48 |
| guru3 | that one, iirc | 21:48 |
| sp3000 | also, I keep sucking at perl | 21:48 |
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| skibur | does the tablet support mp4? | 22:09 |
| lardman|tv | should do, depends on the extension though I imagine | 22:14 |
| lardman|tv | pH5: Glad to hear it | 22:14 |
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| pH5 | lardman|tv: and I've even recognized why the SIO_create doesn't work. I got the name parameter wrong because I misinterpreted the disassembly. | 22:15 |
| lardman|tv | sounds like you're making good progress :) | 22:15 |
| pH5 | s/good/slow/, but what can we do :) | 22:16 |
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| lardman|tv | pH5: it's all relative :) | 22:17 |
| proteous | muahahah, buy combining too many beans with too little water I have created the strongest coffee ever! | 22:17 |
| proteous | buy huh | 22:17 |
| proteous | by | 22:18 |
| pupnik | tv :/ | 22:18 |
| lardman|tv | me? | 22:18 |
| pupnik | well i hope you're watching something decent | 22:18 |
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| lardman|tv | not really, I was watching Primeval | 22:18 |
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| lardman | better? | 22:19 |
| pupnik | :/ i've been enjoying M*A*S*H, Poirot, Cowboy Bebop and WKRP in Cincinnati | 22:19 |
| lardman | :) | 22:19 |
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| pupnik | Got to buy the old 'Taxi' episodes someday when they're cheaper | 22:20 |
| pupnik | theme song by Bob James | 22:20 |
| * lardman has no clue | 22:20 | |
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| lardman | I just sent an update for the vorbis dsp plugin debugging progress to the dsp-tremor list for anyone who might be interested | 22:30 |
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| lardman | looks like it might take a little while to turn up in the archives | 22:30 |
| lardman | ah good, there now: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/dsp-tremor-devel/2008-February/000001.html | 22:31 |
| lardman | (just on the off chance anyone is interested) | 22:31 |
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| Kggk | anyone here with an n800? | 22:41 |
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| pupnik | girls love my tablets | 23:06 |
| pupnik | just don't let them see the xterm | 23:07 |
| David__ | newb question: How can I change the icons on the top left ? Panels>Task navigator. lets me move them, I want to change them. | 23:07 |
| |tbb| | would it not better girls love you instead of tablet? ;) | 23:07 |
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| pupnik | that is not possible | 23:08 |
| David__ | no? so I am stuck with just those three? | 23:09 |
| pupnik | David__: do you want a different theme? | 23:10 |
| David__ | no, essentailly I dont like the contacts icon there. I am using a differnt email client than the resident one and I'd like to delete that icon from the left menu | 23:10 |
| smackpotato | whats with the endless redirection message in the browser | 23:11 |
| pupnik | ok i don't know how to change it. it is all changeable of course | 23:11 |
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| smackpotato | do i have to reflash | 23:11 |
| David__ | of course. just how much learning! | 23:11 |
| pupnik | i feel bad when people ask questions i can't answer | 23:12 |
| David__ | ok, how would i get that contacts icon to refence the email client i am using. 'modest'. | 23:12 |
| pupnik | check internettablettalk.com forums - much user info and searchable forums | 23:13 |
| pH5 | lardman|scrabble: does "MOV AR1,*+AR3(#0001h)" do the same as "MOV AR1,*+AR3" ? | 23:13 |
| pH5 | (and if yes, why does the compiler encode *(++my_string) = my_char; as the first instead of the second, which is two bytes shorter?) | 23:13 |
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| pH5 | I'm trying to understand this snippet of code from pcm2.o: http://rafb.net/p/pHFSgx35.html | 23:14 |
| pupnik | pH5: you learning DSP?!?!! | 23:14 |
| pH5 | pupnik: now that I've got one, I just have to, right? :) | 23:14 |
| pupnik | can I send you beer or do you need any computer parts? | 23:15 |
| pH5 | hehe | 23:15 |
| smackpotato | hmm clicked the wrong box when i changed home page | 23:16 |
| pupnik | dosbox is very close to usable speed for 385 based programs. just needs sound blaster /adlib FMOPL on DSP, and a dynamic recompiler | 23:16 |
| pupnik | i got doubled speed in DOOM with some wack-ass cflags yesterday | 23:17 |
| pupnik | caused some graphics errors, but fsck that | 23:18 |
| David__ | is there a theme repositry somewhere? | 23:20 |
| pH5 | pupnik: could the sound blaster emulation just interface with the existing pcm gstreamer modules? | 23:21 |
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| lardman|scrabble | pH5: no idea, I've not done any DSP assembler yet | 23:22 |
| pupnik | pH5: the cpu intensive part is the fm synthesis module | 23:23 |
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| pupnik | the dsp passthrough is not really such a CPU hit | 23:23 |
| pupnik | but the trigonometry to synthesize 8-16 voices is serious | 23:23 |
| pupnik | it's not a simple dsp project :/ | 23:24 |
| pupnik | a straight codec would be much simpler/cleaner (speex, ogg, etc) | 23:24 |
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| spirytusick | pupnik: i am keeping my fingers crossed for you. | 23:31 |
| pupnik | i am just a cheerleader spirytusick. i'm not the football team. | 23:32 |
| pupnik | go! go! gooooo... somebody else! | 23:32 |
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| pH5 | lardman|scrabble: I see. I have neither, and it shows :) Trial and error, then. | 23:37 |
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| spirytusick | pupnik: you've contributed enough :) | 23:46 |
| pupnik | hey 10 months later we might get a playable Ultima 7 | 23:47 |
| pupnik | it's almost there | 23:47 |
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| spirytusick | guys, gotta go... new episode of lost to watch... | 23:49 |
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| Esworp | Seems to me the videochat is underused, can we only vidchat amongst other maemo users, or are there other clients that will accept connections? | 23:57 |
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