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| LinuxCode | syncevolution dont work | 00:05 |
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| LinuxCode | no machine id for dbus | 00:05 |
| LinuxCode | hmm | 00:05 |
| jott | is the latest rtcom-beta-os2008 (2.1-18) usable or does it still cause reboot loops for some ppl? (postponed the upgrade until now) | 00:05 |
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| LinuxCode | hmm fixed new error | 00:06 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 00:06 |
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| johnx | jott, I'm pretty sure I heard that it was fixed a while ago actually | 00:09 |
| johnx | haven't tried it though | 00:10 |
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| jott | hmm ok.. i'll see and report back ;) | 00:12 |
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| jku | jott: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2803 (FIXED) | 00:17 |
| jott | jku: thanks | 00:17 |
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| hachi | is there a way to get modest to open when 'more email messages' is the current state? | 00:34 |
| hachi | it opens just fine when there are individual messages, but when I get more than... 8, or whatever the threshold is, it tries to open the builtin mail app | 00:35 |
| hachi | also, what sort of network traffic triggers the icd to make a connection | 00:35 |
| Tama^2 | I suspect that message comes from the builtin email client | 00:36 |
| hachi | builtin email client isn't set up, so it's not possible | 00:36 |
| Tama^2 | ah | 00:36 |
| hachi | if I set up the builtin email client... I lose power even faster | 00:36 |
| Tama^2 | icd should open a connection when an app requests it via libconic | 00:37 |
| hachi | not that modest is helping the situation at all, anytime I'm away from a network it just fires up the icd on me and constantly scans | 00:37 |
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| Tama^2 | I have disable modest/builtin automatic checks | 00:37 |
| Tama^2 | s/disable/disabled | 00:38 |
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| hachi | AUGH | 00:42 |
| hachi | maemo extras failed gzip again today | 00:42 |
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| johnx | hachi, link to the file that failed? | 00:55 |
| johnx | or is this the known bug on bugs.maemo.org? | 00:55 |
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| ds3 | anyone tried getting media player to play OGG/Theora? | 01:12 |
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| lardman | yep | 01:14 |
| ds3 | does it work well? | 01:15 |
| lardman | install kulve's ogg gstreamer stuff | 01:15 |
| lardman | seems to wotk ok | 01:15 |
| lardman | plays sound at least ;) | 01:15 |
| ds3 | I got the vorbis part working | 01:15 |
| ds3 | just wondering if I should push my luck and get theora | 01:15 |
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| lardman | ah, I misread in that case | 01:15 |
| lardman | my apologies, nearly ned time | 01:16 |
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| lardman | bed time | 01:16 |
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| ds3 | oh you just did audio? | 01:16 |
| ds3 | it is so nice to have a unified player for both ogg and mp3 | 01:16 |
| lardman | ds3: have a chat with derf, he's one of the theora devs and was interested in getting it running (on the dsp, but he may have tried an arm decoder) | 01:16 |
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| lardman | yeah, tried audio and am currently debugging a dsp task for vorbis decoding | 01:17 |
| ds3 | i saw your frustrating efforts to get it working on the DSP | 01:17 |
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| lardman | not too frustrating, the code runs ok, just needs some tweaks as I;ve not removed all the 16bit byte issues yet | 01:17 |
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| lardman | tho it was certain;y frustrating getting started :) | 01:18 |
| ds3 | ah, last I read you were stuck at the 16bit vs 8bit bytes btwn the arm and dsp | 01:18 |
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| lardman | ah, that's all sorted, data are passed across fine. The problem is that the vorbis stream fails recognition at some point in the setup process | 01:19 |
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| ds3 | lardman: was there some docs for the DSP you started with or was it purely a reverse engineering effort? | 01:19 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/dsp-tremor-devel/2008-January/000000.html should summarise | 01:19 |
| lardman | ds3: There are docs, I did a fair bit of work to determine what they meant | 01:20 |
| lardman | but certainly not reverse engineering, more filling the gaps | 01:20 |
| ds3 | gotcha | 01:20 |
| lardman | info about it is on the maemo wiki -> dsp programming | 01:21 |
| ds3 | I wonder how well would the DSP stuff work on a totally free kernel (i.e. the OMAP tree) | 01:21 |
| ds3 | OMAP open source tree that is | 01:21 |
| lardman | you still need a dsp kernel | 01:21 |
| ds3 | and that is not free I take it? | 01:21 |
| lardman | and we're currently using (as a basis) the most free there is | 01:21 |
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| lardman | yes, the source is available, partly from Ti iirc, not sure of the license, but on the ITs Nokia have added to that base | 01:22 |
| ds3 | it would be nice to be able to upgrade the kernel as needed instead of wait for nokia | 01:22 |
| lcuk_2 | kernel can be updated, its the file system image we wait for (or am i totally wrong) | 01:22 |
| lardman | shouldn't be a problem with the dsp really, as long as you keep the dspgateway interfaces the same | 01:22 |
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| ds3 | lardman: but isn't the dsp stuff all available as a binary .ko? | 01:23 |
| lardman | but then Nokia do a lot of the work for the omap kernel | 01:23 |
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| ds3 | lcuk: the OMAP tree lacks support for a few things | 01:23 |
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| lardman | the tasks are all binary, the kernel is also binary, but you can build a basic kernel from source, just wothout the nokia additions | 01:23 |
| johnx | lardman, this is the dsp kernel, yes? | 01:24 |
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| ds3 | right but if I wanted a 2.6.24 kernel on there, I don't have the DSP stuff at all (or am I wrong?) | 01:24 |
| lardman | the dspgateway stuff is included in the omap tree now | 01:24 |
| lcuk_2 | yer i noticed just after, i know the base kernel is available tho, my mistake | 01:24 |
| lardman | so assuming the interface hasn't changed (which it may have) it should just work | 01:25 |
| ds3 | so the DSP kernel is not bundled into a binary module? | 01:25 |
| johnx | also, is the DSP required for any type of sound at all? | 01:25 |
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| ds3 | i seem to recall some page on DSP programming where they tell you to build stuff, then replace one of the objects with the .ko file from the device | 01:25 |
| lardman | yes on both counts, though it may be possible to bypass it and produce sound through the kernel | 01:26 |
| johnx | that's good to know | 01:26 |
| lardman | ds3: but you can roll your own, without the Nokia bits (i.e. the supplied tasks for mp3 decoding will then not work) | 01:26 |
| ds3 | lardman: but how are the nokia bits provided? as a .hex file I can download or soemthing specific to the kernel? | 01:26 |
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| lardman | the kernel has compiled-in modules (for want of a better word), these modules are the nokia bits, the base kernel has source | 01:28 |
| ds3 | ah I think I get it now | 01:28 |
| lardman | there are also dynamically loaded modules which do mp3, aac, etc. decoding | 01:28 |
| lardman | Nokia have also provided the audio codec driver | 01:28 |
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| lardman | as part of the kernel | 01:29 |
| lardman | but not as source, though there is similar source floating about, but not a trivial job | 01:29 |
| ds3 | and nokia did not use the openmax stuff either I take it? | 01:29 |
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| lardman | not yet, but it's on their roadmap | 01:30 |
| ds3 | oh cool | 01:30 |
| ds3 | prehaps one day with OS2010 I guess ;) | 01:30 |
| lardman | they acknowledged that it would take some time, so probably not too far off ;) | 01:31 |
| fysa | OS.. THREE-THOUSAND! | 01:31 |
| ds3 | glad this is less nasty then the umac.ko situation | 01:32 |
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| johnx | yeah... | 01:32 |
| lardman | well it's not necessarily, there's no real scope to access the audio codec from the dsp side, Nokia are not willing (the legal dept) to release any info about that | 01:32 |
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| lardman | it's just that they use the dspgateway, so we can also use it. Ti provide good docs for the tms320c55 (unlike other chips like the GPS5300) | 01:33 |
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| ds3 | simple question - where is the actual audio hardware connected to? the arm side or the DSP side? | 01:34 |
| lardman | both I think | 01:35 |
| lardman | the question is really whether the DSP is required to setup the codec before the ARM side can do anything with it directly | 01:35 |
| ds3 | okay | 01:35 |
| lardman | I'm not sure, kernel source has the relevant code for the ARM-side access to the audio codec | 01:35 |
| ds3 | IIRC, I can't get sound out via the stock OMAP kernel | 01:36 |
| lardman | on an IT? | 01:36 |
| ds3 | on the N800 specifically | 01:36 |
| Tama^2 | lardman: if one was to develop a DSP task, is there a way to dump the result directly into the mixer task provided by nokia? | 01:37 |
| lardman | in which case the DSP may need to set it up | 01:37 |
| lardman | Tama^2: I really don't know | 01:37 |
| ds3 | or there is some userland madness that needs to happen | 01:37 |
| lardman | Tama^2: I think this is probably where we want to look at the EAP_* functions in the DSP kernel, but we have no headers | 01:37 |
| ds3 | I was booting directly into a shell and getting in via usbnet | 01:37 |
| lardman | ds3: I don't know I'm afraid. | 01:38 |
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| ds3 | despite all this, the N800 as shipped does most of what I want... marketing hasn't turned it into a doorstop | 01:38 |
| lardman | Tama^2: The best bet atm is to decode on the DSP, then send the audio data back to ARM to output (either directly, or via the pcm dsp task) | 01:39 |
| lardman | but as we have no working audio decoders it's a bit of a moot point :) | 01:39 |
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| lardman | bed time, night all | 01:40 |
| ds3 | lardman: does all this apply to the 770 or is it 800/810 specific? | 01:40 |
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| lardman | ds3: all have the same DSP | 01:40 |
| pH5 | the communication between decoder tasks and the /eap SIO minidriver is really not complicated. we just need either somebody with a bit of C55x experience or a lot of time, but completely reversing the pcm2.o module is certainly possible. | 01:40 |
| lardman | pH5: but to produce a codec driver you'd need to recompile the dsp kernel, and lose any Nokia stuff in there | 01:41 |
| lardman | ah, you're talking about using the existing driver | 01:41 |
| pH5 | yup | 01:41 |
| fugitivo | that is what i was asking before | 01:41 |
| lardman | all good, once we have a working decoder then perhaps more people will be interested in that | 01:42 |
| lardman | agreed, it wouldn't be too bad, just some asm learning and testing, etfc. | 01:42 |
| fugitivo | i can't compile my own kernel without loosing compatibility? does the actual kernel have propietary kernel drivers? | 01:42 |
| lardman | yes, the audio codec, but you could write your own reasonably easily | 01:43 |
| fugitivo | only the audio codec? | 01:43 |
| lardman | there is other stuff too, configuration stuff you'd lose, etc. | 01:43 |
| fysa | can you dump it first? | 01:43 |
| lardman | but I don't know much more than that, I've only really looked at the audio situation | 01:43 |
| fugitivo | what about that kernel image to support bigger memory cards? | 01:43 |
| lardman | ? | 01:43 |
| lardman | we're talking dsp kernel atm | 01:43 |
| fysa | i.e., can you dump it, repurpose, use it, then restore when finished? | 01:43 |
| lardman | fysa: possibly, but it would take some serious work unless you could place it back at the same memory location | 01:44 |
| lardman | fysa: plus the interplay between the bits might make it hard | 01:44 |
| lcuk_2 | fsya, no there are a group of constants in source code which are different to the base options (if i remember rightly) | 01:44 |
| lardman | s/bits/part | 01:44 |
| fysa | ah | 01:45 |
| lardman | anyway, learn to crawl before we run and all that eh? ;) | 01:46 |
| * lcuk_2 is still learning to roll over | 01:46 | |
| lardman | :) | 01:46 |
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| lardman | right, I really am going to bed now | 01:46 |
| lardman | night nigh | 01:46 |
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| lcuk_2 | night lard, interesting as always | 01:47 |
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| * lcuk_2 should look at screen whilst typing | 01:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Where's the fun in that? | 01:47 |
| ywwg | Is there a package in OS2008 that provides wget? I tried apt-get install wget and it didn't work. I thought it would be in extras | 01:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | gronmayer.com/it | 01:48 |
| ds3 | on a different thing... what is the browser doing when it is displaying 'Updating...' during the first start? tcpdump shows no outgoing packets | 01:48 |
| ds3 | this is OS2008 | 01:48 |
| lcuk_2 | its updating | 01:48 |
| ds3 | updating what? | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never seen it say "Updating..." | 01:49 |
| lcuk_2 | "..." | 01:49 |
| ds3 | :P | 01:49 |
| lcuk_2 | ive seen it, its one of those baloon things isnt it | 01:49 |
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| ds3 | GeneralAntilles: close all the browser sessions and open a new blank sessions. shortly, it will say "Updating..." | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, guess so. | 01:49 |
| lcuk_2 | "web loading" browser displays, then before it loads page you get "updating" | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm going to say that's been there since OS2005 and I've stopped noticing. | 01:50 |
| lcuk_2 | but its a different browser app isnt it | 01:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Engine | 01:50 |
| ds3 | thought it was the mozilla autoupdate but I see no options for it nor any traffic | 01:50 |
| fysa | yeah, it does say Updating. | 01:50 |
| fysa | it can get very annoying while using the browser with an RSS reader and closing it between links | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as auto-update for MicroB | 01:51 |
| fysa | I think it's initializing plugins.. | 01:51 |
| fysa | or the engine. | 01:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | fysa, that's probably correct. | 01:51 |
| lcuk_2 | can we search the source tre for the browser and find "Updating..." | 01:51 |
| ds3 | hmm | 01:51 |
| * lcuk_2 goes for the shotgun approach | 01:52 | |
| fysa | I believe the majority of the lagginess you feel with the browser is non-packet-related. | 01:52 |
| fysa | Then a good chunk is DNS/wireless overhead, then the rest is engine bloat. | 01:53 |
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| lcuk_2 | i really want a proper flash block on the device | 01:53 |
| fysa | it was just released. | 01:53 |
| lcuk_2 | flash is great for specific items but 99% of the adverts kill pages | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno why it takes so much longer to load in OS2008 final than all previous versions. | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, pay attention. :P | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | browser-extras | 01:54 |
| fysa | OS2008 has some I/O problems. | 01:54 |
| lcuk_2 | ... | 01:54 |
| fysa | http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/ | 01:54 |
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| fysa | I don't know if this was there before.. | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It loaded up about twice as fast in the beta. | 01:54 |
| lcuk_2 | where do i get info on new/updated packages | 01:54 |
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| fysa | but I think I/O on OS2008 is slower than on OS2007 | 01:54 |
| fysa | unless the CPU is pegged. | 01:54 |
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| fysa | subscribe to their RSS, lcuk_2 ;) | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | or just pay better attention. :P | 01:55 |
| lcuk_2 | but that involves installing and configuring another program. the update manager should have a branch to say "hey heres all the new bits" | 01:55 |
| ds3 | btw, is there a way to get a web page RSS feed link icon to automatically add a feed like in the older OS200[67]? | 01:55 |
| fysa | hopefully I will have time to play with webkit next week. | 01:55 |
| johnx | fysa, which webkit based browser have you been looking at? | 01:56 |
| johnx | s/have you been looking at?/are you planning to look at?g | 01:57 |
| fysa | http://webkit.org/ | 01:57 |
| fysa | compiles fine, just haven't tried running yet | 01:57 |
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| fysa | Webkit/Gtk+ | 01:57 |
| lcuk_2 | repaste for myself: http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/ thanks for letting me know its avail | 01:57 |
| fysa | http://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/08/07/webkit-maemo-port-n800-and-the-eal/ | 01:58 |
| johnx | I didn't know if they were still working on that or not ... | 01:58 |
| johnx | epiphany-webkit runs great, BTW | 01:58 |
| fysa | Yeah, I don't know about that one. | 01:58 |
| johnx | it could use a little slimming down, and hildonization though | 01:58 |
| fysa | But someone here was talking about it.. | 01:58 |
| fysa | #webkit maybe | 01:59 |
| fysa | midori | 01:59 |
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| fysa | http://software.twotoasts.de/media/midori/screen1.png | 02:00 |
| johnx | I need to look at that again actually... | 02:00 |
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| johnx | Right now I'm in the market for a hildonized browser that doesn't just hook into Nokia's EAL... | 02:00 |
| fysa | webkit would make gmail actually usable. ;) | 02:00 |
| johnx | epiphany-webkit makes google maps usable too... | 02:01 |
| fysa | try GdkLauncher.. | 02:01 |
| fysa | I think that's dead simple light | 02:01 |
| fysa | http://michael.susens-schurter.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/webkit-gdklauncher.png | 02:01 |
| johnx | interesting | 02:02 |
| fysa | Oh, I know what it was. | 02:02 |
| fysa | http://atoker.com/webkit-maemo/ | 02:02 |
| johnx | :D | 02:03 |
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| johnx | I'll get a compile going ... | 02:03 |
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| |tbb| | re | 02:04 |
| fysa | the webkit SVN has hildonized bindings if you set the CPPFLAGS or something. | 02:05 |
| fysa | http://atoker.com/webkit-maemo/README | 02:05 |
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| fysa | and then I heard something about the Android tree | 02:05 |
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| johnx | android is neat...It'll be interesting to see how that plays out | 02:06 |
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| fugitivo | i like blackberry | 02:09 |
| johnx | they are delicious | 02:09 |
| fugitivo | i hated it first, but then I realized they did a great work with email, PIM and all that stuff | 02:09 |
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| daveux | So, I'm new to this Maemo/n810 stuff and I'm looking for some tips - just got my device yesterday. | 02:10 |
| fugitivo | if we can put that in the tablet, i'd be the perfect device (for me) | 02:10 |
| daveux | The only media player I | 02:10 |
| daveux | The only media player I've gotten to work is the built-in one. | 02:10 |
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| daveux | And Modest email. | 02:11 |
| fugitivo | daveux: did you try canola2? | 02:11 |
| daveux | Yeah, for some reason it only scans 20 of my songs. | 02:11 |
| daveux | It looks great, but it doesn't see my other music. | 02:11 |
| fugitivo | weird | 02:11 |
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| fugitivo | maybe some configuration need changes | 02:12 |
| daveux | Maybe it's my filenames. | 02:12 |
| daveux | Where can I find useful applets for the home screen? (or are there any...?) | 02:12 |
| fugitivo | why? you have weird characters or something like that? | 02:12 |
| daveux | Yes, some question marks and foreign accent chars. | 02:13 |
| fugitivo | hm, i don't have my n810 yet | 02:13 |
| LinuxCode | daveux, you want mplayer | 02:13 |
| fugitivo | do you like facebook? i'm writing a home applet for it | 02:13 |
| LinuxCode | it plays stuff and is faster than the built in one | 02:13 |
| LinuxCode | and less jittery | 02:13 |
| daveux | Ok, I'll check it out. | 02:13 |
| johnx | daveux, downloads.maemo.org: omweather is a nice weather applet | 02:13 |
| LinuxCode | daveux, linux user ? | 02:13 |
| daveux | Yes. | 02:13 |
| daveux | Also, I'm having trouble re-arranging my panel. | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | xchat, amsn user ? | 02:14 |
| daveux | xchat | 02:14 |
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| daveux | (IRC in pidgin) | 02:14 |
| daveux | haha | 02:14 |
| fugitivo | amsn for maemo? | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 02:14 |
| fugitivo | i want bitchx for maemo :) | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/ | 02:14 |
| LinuxCode | last one is amsn | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | made by the amsn guy | 02:15 |
| fugitivo | does the webcam works with amsn? | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | yes sir | 02:15 |
| daveux | I wish someone would create a sexy gmail app. | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | <--- was well impressed | 02:15 |
| fugitivo | that's great news for a friend | 02:15 |
| fugitivo | he complains because he can't use the webcam with anyone | 02:15 |
| fugitivo | he's going to be happy | 02:15 |
| LinuxCode | fugitivo, will he buy me a pint ? | 02:16 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 02:16 |
| LinuxCode | that happy ? | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | daveux, it's called "Modest". | 02:16 |
| fugitivo | if you come to Argentina sure he will | 02:16 |
| LinuxCode | fugitivo, ok | 02:16 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 02:16 |
| * LinuxCode politely declines | 02:17 | |
| LinuxCode | thats a long travel sir | 02:17 |
| fugitivo | where are you from? | 02:17 |
| daveux | Oh, mplayer is just for movies. | 02:17 |
| daveux | I just listen to music. | 02:17 |
| fugitivo | daveux: no, you can use it for anything | 02:17 |
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| ds3 | mplayer is a media player | 02:18 |
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| fugitivo | m(edia)player :) | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try Kagu or UKMP or summuch for music. | 02:18 |
| daveux | Hmm, doesn't want to play anything but video on maemo. | 02:19 |
| LinuxCode | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 | 02:19 |
| LinuxCode | daveux, you might find that link interesting | 02:19 |
| daveux | I tried Kagu and UKMP, and they both really fritzed out on me. | 02:19 |
| LinuxCode | but beware...not everything will work | 02:19 |
| LinuxCode | due to dependencies | 02:19 |
| LinuxCode | be very picky! | 02:19 |
| fugitivo | ohh, too bad the video window is not in the same window as the chat | 02:21 |
| lcdd | ukmp was interesting. it played something but the sound was loud and clipping. even after shutting the tablet down it still continued for 5 seconds or so | 02:21 |
| lcdd | in the charging screen that is | 02:22 |
| daveux | Also, they way ukmp (or Kagu) played my ogg files sounded like shit. | 02:22 |
| daveux | So, is it possible to add/remove apps in the organize applications dialog in the panel preferenceS? | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, that's not what that's for. | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | You want Application Manager. | 02:24 |
| LinuxCode | bloody hell | 02:24 |
| LinuxCode | £90million in the jackpot | 02:24 |
| LinuxCode | lool | 02:24 |
| daveux | No, I don't want to install/uninstall them. | 02:24 |
| LinuxCode | whoever wins that will be a happy bunny | 02:24 |
| LinuxCode | open a datacenter | 02:25 |
| LinuxCode | fund a few opensource projects | 02:25 |
| LinuxCode | and live at the beach somewhere | 02:25 |
| Tama^2 | daveux: settings, panels, organise | 02:25 |
| fugitivo | LinuxCode: and then? | 02:25 |
| LinuxCode | enjoy life ? | 02:25 |
| fugitivo | LinuxCode: and then? :) | 02:25 |
| LinuxCode | develop for the N810 | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | daveux, what's your intention, then? | 02:25 |
| fugitivo | LinuxCode: that's too much for one person | 02:25 |
| LinuxCode | or pay people to | 02:25 |
| LinuxCode | pay 20 people | 02:26 |
| Tama^2 | daveux: you can move them around, you cannot remove them | 02:26 |
| daveux | So, my "My selection" category has Skype in it - I'd like that gone. | 02:26 |
| LinuxCode | or pay the maintainers of packages to port stuff to N810 | 02:26 |
| daveux | That's just an add for skype. | 02:26 |
| LinuxCode | fugitivo, tbh mate | 02:26 |
| LinuxCode | Id probabbly pay people to make fedora arm work properly | 02:27 |
| johnx | I'm not sure, you might be able to use that to install skype then uninstall it to get rid of all the skype icons... | 02:27 |
| zerojay | Yeah | 02:27 |
| LinuxCode | as its very develop status | 02:27 |
| LinuxCode | atm | 02:27 |
| daveux | LinuxCode, so I was thinking about a similar situation - what if I were Steve Jobs, with $18bn in the bank and running Apple? | 02:27 |
| LinuxCode | daveux, Id be like Mark Shuttleworth | 02:28 |
| daveux | I would buy all the patents and licences that make OS X closed source, then release it all under GPL. | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | who funds ubuntu | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | daveux, haha | 02:28 |
| fugitivo | I want to use the tablet as a diskless terminal | 02:28 |
| daveux | Just buy up BSD, let it free. | 02:28 |
| zerojay | daveux: That would be hard considering some of it is already BSD. | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | fuck software patents | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | they dont even count in the EU | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | spend ya money on something else | 02:28 |
| fugitivo | oh that'd be cool, boot minimyth on it using the network | 02:28 |
| johnx | fugitivo, an x terminal? | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | like making a distro based in the EU | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | better way to spen your money | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | spend | 02:28 |
| fugitivo | johnx: booting the OS through the network | 02:29 |
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| LinuxCode | pxe boot | 02:29 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 02:29 |
| fugitivo | yes | 02:29 |
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| johnx | fugitivo, uhm why? | 02:29 |
| LinuxCode | if somebody wrote a bootloader like I have for my Jornada 710 to load familiar | 02:30 |
| johnx | fugitivo, though actually I know how ... | 02:30 |
| fugitivo | i have several mini-itx in my house booting minimyth | 02:30 |
| LinuxCode | you could probably do it | 02:30 |
| LinuxCode | it resets wince into the system state | 02:30 |
| LinuxCode | and you can boot linux | 02:30 |
| fugitivo | johnx: because I like diskless terminals :) | 02:30 |
| johnx | you could probably get it working pretty well using fanoush's modified initfs | 02:31 |
| LinuxCode | pitty I never had a flashbaord for it | 02:31 |
| LinuxCode | it would have been like a N810 years ago | 02:31 |
| fugitivo | yes, i'm reading http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs | 02:31 |
| johnx | just bring up wifi inside the initfs (left as an exercise for the reader :) ) | 02:31 |
| LinuxCode | fugitivo, let me know how that goes please | 02:31 |
| johnx | mount nfs share, and pivot_root | 02:31 |
| LinuxCode | I was pondering to do that to boot the fedora arm rootfs | 02:32 |
| johnx | though I think an x-terminal sounds more interesting :D | 02:32 |
| fugitivo | i'll need to compile a kernel | 02:32 |
| johnx | fugitivo, for nfs? | 02:32 |
| jott | speaking of.. is there a working nx client for os2008? | 02:32 |
| johnx | LinuxCode, read my thing on Debian wiki, specifically the "How I did it" section for some (very hacky) ideas | 02:33 |
| johnx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 02:33 |
| LinuxCode | smack me with the | 02:33 |
| LinuxCode | link | 02:33 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 02:33 |
| LinuxCode | beat me to it | 02:33 |
| fugitivo | well, i'll start with the experiment when my n810 arrives | 02:33 |
| fugitivo | so i can break my 770 and keep a working tablet for development :) | 02:34 |
| johnx | sounds reasonable :) | 02:34 |
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| johnx | LinuxCode, though really, why fedora over debian? :P | 02:35 |
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| LinuxCode | I laways use and liked fedora | 02:38 |
| LinuxCode | used | 02:38 |
| johnx | I guess so... | 02:39 |
| LinuxCode | what does it use as window manager ? | 02:40 |
| johnx | there are really a lot more packages for Debian armel...including hildon | 02:40 |
| LinuxCode | well sounds like a lot of stuff still doesnt work | 02:40 |
| johnx | yeah, it won't work in fedora either...in fact I can pretty much guarantee that less stuff will work | 02:40 |
| johnx | are you reading the "How I did it" or the status at the top? | 02:41 |
| LinuxCode | status | 02:41 |
| johnx | yeah, that's pretty current :/ | 02:41 |
| LinuxCode | im flying overit all | 02:41 |
| LinuxCode | what window manager is used ? | 02:41 |
| johnx | I'm using hildon-desktop | 02:42 |
| Lateralus | when unloading an applet is any other function hit after lib_deinitialize? | 02:42 |
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| johnx | In a previous version I was using matchbox wm (w/ matchbox desktop and panel) | 02:42 |
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| LinuxCode | johnx, k | 02:53 |
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| legind | so is this new Video Center better than gpodder? | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're . . . different. | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I use Canola2 for podcasts, though. | 03:09 |
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| LinuxCode | nn all | 03:15 |
| LinuxCode | ;-] | 03:15 |
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| Tama^2 | does anyone use canola 2 on a regular basis? | 03:43 |
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| dphil9000 | Just installed it 5 minutes ago | 03:44 |
| dphil9000 | Now to get some videos loaded on this thing | 03:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tama^2, yes, mostly for podcasts. | 03:50 |
| Tama^2 | good, I am running some battery draining tests for idle mode so I cannot try it myself | 03:50 |
| Tama^2 | at the moment at least | 03:51 |
| Tama^2 | the videos I found online are cool, too cool to be true ;) | 03:51 |
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| geneven | what's the n8xx way to run chron, or schedule a program? | 04:29 |
| johnx | install crond | 04:30 |
| geneven | thanks | 04:30 |
| johnx | there is something called alarmtool and alarmd that should be able to technically do it, but it looked like a pain to me | 04:31 |
| johnx | so I compiled cron | 04:31 |
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| johnx | http://sheeplauncher.net/cron_3.0pl1-100_armel.deb | 04:31 |
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| dphil9000 | Anybody know where to find a standard ftp client for maemo? | 04:40 |
| johnx | if you search for ftp on garage.maemo.org you'll find a couple ... but I don't know how well they work | 04:42 |
| dphil9000 | I tried ncftp from the elkins.org repository, but its features seem a bit odd | 04:42 |
| dphil9000 | Ok tks | 04:43 |
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| braddbr | .hi, i am trying to navigate to my memory card in applications manager but cannot find the card.. is there a setting that lets me browse the whole filesystem? | 04:55 |
| johnx | are you talking about an SD card or the internal flash on the device? | 04:56 |
| braddbr | (this is a n800 and i have uploaded from my mac to one of the SD cards and wish to install the software) | 04:56 |
| braddbr | an SD | 04:57 |
| johnx | you should be able to see your whole SD card... | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Uploaded"? What software? | 04:57 |
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| braddbr | freeciv and nethack | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Uploaded"? | 04:57 |
| braddbr | i just threw them in the root folder of my SD cards | 04:57 |
| braddbr | (plugged in usb cable and transferred them over) | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you unplug the USB cable from the Mac? | 04:58 |
| braddbr | nope | 04:58 |
| oil | with ermining I can sync google calendar with gpe-calendar. is there an similar app for the google notes? | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's your problem | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unmount the cards | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | (eject) | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | and disconnect the cable. | 04:58 |
| braddbr | ahh, that did it.. thank you | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | GA's Pedantry of the Day: "Uploading" has to do with network transfers. Moving a file over USB or to another disk or somesuch is just "copying" or "transferring". ;) | 05:01 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, so did you check out Debian? | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 05:01 |
| johnx | not quite up to your usability standards? :P | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extracted it onto the second ext2 partition | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It failed on /var or somesuch | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | wouldn't boot | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | then the OS2008 partition wouldn't boot | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I gave up. | 05:02 |
| johnx | ugh | 05:02 |
| johnx | that's lame | 05:02 |
| johnx | I guess I should test writing it back to my card to see | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reformatted and repartitioned and now I can't mount /dev/mmcblk0p[23] to copy over the OS2008 from internal flash | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | so, meh. | 05:03 |
| johnx | ah, sounds like your card might have issues | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably something on my end since the OS2008 partition was also fubared. | 05:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Reformatted to FAT32. | 05:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's fine now. | 05:04 |
| johnx | you can fsck -c to check for badblocks on ext2 | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, there were a lot. | 05:04 |
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| johnx | aaaah | 05:04 |
| johnx | ok, that's a card issue | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wouldn't let me run -a | 05:04 |
| johnx | heh | 05:04 |
| johnx | I think you can force it :) | 05:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish Nokia would release a firmware update so I could justify investing the time to wipe and start over. | 05:05 |
| johnx | heh | 05:05 |
| johnx | I did a wipe, then made a pristine backup of the internal flash | 05:05 |
| johnx | I'll probably make a baseline "ready to run" setup | 05:05 |
| johnx | maybe I'll even go nuts and put it in version control or something | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 05:07 |
| johnx | it's so handy to have a "known good" setup I can just rsync onto my card | 05:08 |
| johnx | I really should try and get /home to be on a separate partition... | 05:08 |
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| nelson | Does anybody know if Betty can work with up to 6 volts on the charger input? | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Betty? | 05:24 |
| johnx | Betty = N800 of course | 05:24 |
| nelson | A chip in the N800. | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | He could be trying to plug the Nokia charger into his wife. | 05:24 |
| johnx | I figured it was a nickname for his N800 actually | 05:25 |
| johnx | hmm...I thought I remembered someone testing | 05:25 |
| nelson | No, it's the name of a "kitchen sink" chip. | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know what happens when you assume, johnx? | 05:25 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I get a cookie? | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course! | 05:25 |
| johnx | woo | 05:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles gives johnx one of his double-chocolate chocolate-chip cookies. | 05:25 | |
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| johnx | lots of posts with "voltage" in them on itt :/ | 05:27 |
| oil | gee. either my holux gps or maemomapper can not cope with speed. I tried holux gps & N800 with maemomapper on a flight and with the speed over 1000km/h or 1024km/h it started to show speeds 1-5km/h (eg. actual speed is 1005 and mapper show 5km/h) | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | GPS, oil. | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | My i-blue worked fine at around 575MPH. | 05:30 |
| oil | GeneralAntilles: ok. thanks. need to test some other time as well with different application. | 05:31 |
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| johnx | nelson, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10535 | 05:33 |
| johnx | I don't know if that's what you need to know but it might be a place to start... | 05:33 |
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| nelson | johnx: tnx. | 05:37 |
| nelson | oil: yes, that's by design. | 05:37 |
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| nelson | oil: keeps you from putting a consumer GPS receiver into a missile. | 05:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:38 |
| johnx | sure...but you'll have to tell me what you have planned :) | 05:38 |
| oil | nelson: hoho :) | 05:38 |
| oil | 'only cruise misssiles supported' should be printed on the selling package :) | 05:40 |
| Tama^2 | except by keeping a queue of last reads you can establish how fast you go anyway | 05:40 |
| Tama^2 | so much for the antiterror br | 05:41 |
| Tama^2 | *bs | 05:41 |
| johnx | and they just *wrap* the speed around? not have it print NaN? | 05:41 |
| Tama^2 | Manager: Hey we need to comply with the new regulation | 05:42 |
| Tama^2 | Programmer: no problem! *tap* *tap* | 05:42 |
| Tama^2 | Screen: val = val & 0x0fff; | 05:42 |
| Tama^2 | Programmer: There you go! | 05:42 |
| johnx | heh | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, I think it's actually a technical limitation | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | rather than an in-built limitation | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I could be wrong. | 05:43 |
| Tama^2 | GeneralAntilles: it's more likely it's technical a limitation | 05:43 |
| Tama^2 | s/a // | 05:43 |
| infobot | Tama^2 meant: GeneralAntilles: it's more likely it's technical limitation | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, like I said. | 05:43 |
| Tama^2 | love you infobot | 05:43 |
| Tama^2 | I was confirming you point | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks. :D | 05:44 |
| Tama^2 | but it came out like that | 05:44 |
| Tama^2 | :P | 05:44 |
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| elb | is there a way I can get the current wireless network's ssid from the shell is OS2008? | 05:49 |
| nelson | johnx: simple enough: hot-melt-glue a steel plate to the back of my n810. similarly glue two hard drive magnets to a four D-cell battery case. Wire the batteries to an appropriate 2mm power plug. | 05:49 |
| elb | I don't have iwconfig | 05:49 |
| nelson | elb: iwconfig .... hrm. | 05:49 |
| johnx | elb, wireless-tools | 05:50 |
| johnx | nelson, that sounds a little bulky, but pretty neat | 05:51 |
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| elb | not installable in my current setup, must be on a different repository | 05:51 |
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| nelson | johnx: bulk ... I don't care about. Being able to use my n810 ALL DAY LONG? Priceless. | 05:51 |
| johnx | elb, gronmayer has the answers :) | 05:51 |
| elb | hmmm I thought his repository was in my applications | 05:52 |
| johnx | how much capacity is that compared to the internal battery? | 05:52 |
| johnx | gronmayer is a list of repositories | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | elb, gronmayer is an index. :P | 05:52 |
| johnx | http://gronmayer.com/it | 05:52 |
| johnx | a "repository" of repositories if you will | 05:52 |
| elb | oh, I thought that was a dude's name | 05:53 |
| oil | I'm using E61i as an charging station for N810 :) | 05:53 |
| elb | I have some g-named dude's repository in my apt ;-) | 05:53 |
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| nelson | johnx: three times. | 05:55 |
| johnx | nelson, quite nice | 05:55 |
| johnx | elb, er...it is a guy's name...but on his website he has a list of repositories... | 05:55 |
| nelson | johnx: so ... four times the regular battery's lifetime. | 05:55 |
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| rm_you | johnx: have you tried this grandcentral thing? | 06:04 |
| rm_you | you could get a free US phone number for calling in the US from your n800 :P | 06:04 |
| johnx | rm_you, I haven't looked at it yet | 06:06 |
| johnx | I put up the new debian BTW | 06:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's epic win if your card doesn't fail. | 06:07 |
| johnx | I have to run an errand in a little bit, but I'll be back in a couple hours | 06:07 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, even if it looks like the card works with FAT16/32/whatever, I'd really run a good fs check on it and if it fails in any way, RMA that thing | 06:08 |
| rm_you | johnx: posted where? | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | There an option I should use with fsck to do a thorough check? | 06:09 |
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| johnx | rm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 06:10 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, -c I think | 06:10 |
| johnx | or -C if you really want to spend some time and get a reliable answer | 06:10 |
| johnx | err | 06:10 |
| johnx | not -C | 06:10 |
| johnx | hey...that sucks...it's a different flag for fsck.vfat vs fsck.ext2 | 06:11 |
| johnx | one sec | 06:11 |
| rm_you | -cc | 06:11 |
| smackpotato | rm_you: ipkall gives free washinton state numbers as well | 06:11 |
| rm_you | does the nondestructive readwrite | 06:11 |
| rm_you | smackpotato: i already have one of those :P | 06:11 |
| rm_you | as most of the time i live there ^_^ | 06:12 |
| johnx | rm_you, for dosfsck? | 06:12 |
| rm_you | johnx: oh :/ | 06:12 |
| rm_you | johnx: ext2/3 :/ | 06:12 |
| rm_you | yeah i was typing before i read your last few lines | 06:13 |
| rm_you | i'm working on a python GUI for calling with GrandCentral | 06:13 |
| rm_you | using curl and some hax | 06:13 |
| smackpotato | cool | 06:13 |
| rm_you | wherein you could just type in a phone number and hit call | 06:13 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, well, try just filling the card with data and see if it fails | 06:13 |
| rm_you | as opposed to their retarded address book / browser system | 06:13 |
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| johnx | anyways...I'm out of here for a while | 06:15 |
| rm_you | l8r | 06:15 |
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| smackpotato | i should of ask him what he knows of x being as his nick is johnx | 06:16 |
| rm_you | lol | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, so are things stable enough for you to fix the remaining GUI issues? :P | 06:22 |
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| rm_you | ah, with adv-backlight? | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. | 06:22 |
| rm_you | possibly | 06:22 |
| oil | hmm.. we need documentation for semi-nerds who can not do programming, but can do a bit of shell scripting :) | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Documentation of what? | 06:22 |
| rm_you | oil: we need shell scripts for semi-nerds who can not do programming, but can do a bit of documentation :P | 06:23 |
| oil | I tried to figure out how to export adressbook information so that I could import it to mysql db .. and then import back to n800 | 06:23 |
| oil | found this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/using_maemo_address_book_apis.html#includes and it's way too complicated for me :) I need simple command line examples :) | 06:25 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: what were the main remaining problems again? | 06:25 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: like, what would you put as the highest priority | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't go away when it loses focus | 06:27 |
| rm_you | ah | 06:27 |
| rm_you | actually | 06:27 |
| rm_you | i have the fix for that | 06:27 |
| rm_you | already mostly done | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | it needs to capture taps outside of its window so you can tap in other places to remove focus. | 06:27 |
| rm_you | give me a few minutes :P | 06:27 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: no, actually | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | NOW! | 06:27 |
| rm_you | you'd laugh if i told you | 06:27 |
| rm_you | it made me scream when i saw | 06:27 |
| oil | /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db seems to be partly in v-card format, but then there is lot's of other stuff as well. any ideas how to export/import it with the command line? | 06:28 |
| pupnik | http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Buchanan_McCain_win_means_war_with_0128.html | 06:31 |
| pupnik | oop wrong chan | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo! | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bring on the end! | 06:32 |
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| johnx | oil, | 06:33 |
| johnx | May:~# file /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db | 06:33 |
| johnx | /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 8, native byte-order) | 06:33 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: it's misbehaving >_> | 06:44 |
| oil | johnx: thanks. I'll try to get that one extracted | 06:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | LIke I keep telling you, do it right then. | 06:47 |
| oil | johnx: and thanks for the tip, that there is file as well for maemo :) | 06:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just think of all the time you'd've saved if Nokia would release the source to their stupid statusbar applets. | 06:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let the hate grow. | 06:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nurture it. | 06:47 |
| hahlo | they have ruined debian | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not Debian. :P | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's maemo. | 06:48 |
| zerojay | I don't think that could be possible. | 06:48 |
| hahlo | some derivate then | 06:48 |
| zerojay | Debian was ruined a long long time ago first. | 06:48 |
| hahlo | things like fakedebconf | 06:49 |
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| hahlo | stripped down gnupg | 06:49 |
| rm_you | rofl | 06:51 |
| rm_you | i hate that | 06:51 |
| rm_you | i was like "it's almost like nothing i change is taking effect!" | 06:51 |
| rm_you | >_< | 06:51 |
| hahlo | they probably violated unix principals too | 06:52 |
| zerojay | Which doesn't matter since it's not Unix. | 06:52 |
| hahlo | then it's not linux either | 06:53 |
| hahlo | it is rubber boot | 06:53 |
| zerojay | That makes zero sense. | 06:53 |
| pupnik | then install johnx's debian onto the tablet | 06:56 |
| hahlo | no passwds and such | 06:56 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 06:56 |
| hahlo | single user thing | 06:56 |
| oil | well. nokia used to make rubber boots, so maybe maemo is just going back to the basics :) | 06:56 |
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| fysa | adv-backlight is totally hot. | 07:05 |
| fysa | thanks btw, rm_you | 07:05 |
| pupnik | that allows more backlight levels? | 07:05 |
| rm_you | lol, np :P | 07:05 |
| hahlo | oil: true | 07:05 |
| fysa | much lower backlight level | 07:06 |
| fysa | perfect for bed/lights off use | 07:06 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: other bugs? | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | No border | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's about it. | 07:10 |
| rm_you | bleh | 07:10 |
| rm_you | that's STILL annoying the crap out of me | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Focus issues are the ones people bitch about. | 07:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Border is meh | 07:10 |
| rm_you | yeah i think it's better | 07:10 |
| rm_you | oo sec | 07:10 |
| fysa | yeah, I'd like for it to disappear when it loses focus. | 07:11 |
| fysa | (which means it should probably steal focus when it opens?) | 07:12 |
| fysa | for some reason the backlight never went off last night, and it wasn't plugged in. | 07:14 |
| fysa | I couldn't get it to go off so I let it sit there at level 2 or 3, still on and more than half battery in the morning | 07:14 |
| fysa | nothing else was running, mind you ;) | 07:14 |
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| pupnik | So is anybody working on the dspoggsink? i guess something didn't work out? | 07:21 |
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| rm_you | damn, i don't remember how i built this deb >_> | 07:42 |
| rm_you | i have the stuff set up... | 07:42 |
| rm_you | but just the command >_< | 07:42 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles / fysa: if you want to try it out, the new version is at http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.so | 07:45 |
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| rm_you | i cant remember how to package this >_> i'll have to ask inz | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fail | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remind me where I need to put this. | 07:45 |
| rm_you | /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/advanced-backlight.so | 07:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles wants his scp scripts back. | 07:46 | |
| rm_you | heh | 07:46 |
| rm_you | remember to unload the old one before you copy over it :P | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reinstalled Leopard and forgot to backup my scripts. :( | 07:46 |
| rm_you | :( | 07:47 |
| rm_you | anyways, 0.6 is a major improvement IMO | 07:47 |
| rm_you | tell me what you think of that | 07:51 |
| rm_you | at some point | 07:51 |
| rm_you | meanwhile, i have a book to read / paper to write | 07:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night then. | 07:52 |
| rm_you | it's better in like 3 ways :P | 07:52 |
| rm_you | lol, night?! pfft | 07:52 |
| rm_you | still gotta sit here and read a 200 page book :P | 07:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 07:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll give you feedback as soon as my device stops being lame. | 07:53 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, did I show you my new boot screens? | 07:54 |
| rm_you | no? | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/err.zip | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it looks better, and gives up focus when you tap the status-bar/task-bar | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | but not when you tap the desktop | 07:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's just funky. | 07:56 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:56 |
| rm_you | yeah :/ | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nor on applications | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | How'd you manage that? | 07:56 |
| rm_you | well | 07:56 |
| rm_you | it's using... get this... | 07:56 |
| rm_you | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libhildondesktop/HildonDesktopPopupWindow.html | 07:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 07:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same as the tooltip thing for OMWeather? | 07:57 |
| rm_you | i guess? >_> | 07:58 |
| rm_you | dunno | 07:58 |
| rm_you | and i shoved it in a GtkFrame for a border | 07:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What in the world is Nokia using for theirs? <_< | 07:59 |
| rm_you | *I DONT NOW* | 07:59 |
| rm_you | s/NOW/KNOW/ | 08:00 |
| infobot | rm_you meant: *I DONT KNOW* | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the next step towards the perfect applet is to put a volume slider in there. | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think you could manage that? | 08:00 |
| rm_you | ?? | 08:00 |
| rm_you | so you can do both at once? | 08:00 |
| pupnik | god i want sound blaster emulation running on the DSP so badly | 08:00 |
| rm_you | yeah... that would be easy as cake >_> | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do it. | 08:00 |
| pupnik | and i can't do a damn thing about it | 08:00 |
| rm_you | why? >_> | 08:00 |
| rm_you | so you can cut down on applets? | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just need to split the icon so it shows both. | 08:00 |
| rm_you | i guess i could | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yessir. | 08:00 |
| rm_you | sec | 08:00 |
| pupnik | it would massively speed up all emulators and game engines that use the sound blaster - dosbox, freesci come to mind | 08:01 |
| pupnik | also scummvm | 08:01 |
| pupnik | maybe i can get some profiling done this weekend | 08:01 |
| pupnik | right now dosbox CROAKS when enabling SB16 emulation | 08:02 |
| pupnik | 1600+ cycles without sb, 400 cycles with | 08:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, where's our emu genius, pupnik? | 08:02 |
| pupnik | WE DON'T HAVE ONE | 08:02 |
| pupnik | anyway back to work on Exult here. Segfault hunting | 08:03 |
| pupnik | oh and exult could use SB on DSP also | 08:04 |
| pupnik | I should make a list | 08:04 |
| pupnik | btw just tested some more dosbox apps. Wing commander could eventually be playable (with SB on DSP) | 08:05 |
| pupnik | and Ultima Underworld 1 and 2 could be playable (with SB on DSP) | 08:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where do we send the bribe money, pupnik? | 08:05 |
| rm_you | sonofabitch | 08:06 |
| Tama^2 | say that I can have a license for codecomposer | 08:06 |
| Tama^2 | and the software of course | 08:06 |
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| Tama^2 | is that enough to get DSP taks compiled and uploaded to the DSP (using the gateway) | 08:07 |
| Tama^2 | ? | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's TI charging for a dev kit? | 08:07 |
| Tama^2 | a lot but I work for a company that manufactures DSP based audio cards ;) | 08:07 |
| Tama^2 | and they use code composer... | 08:08 |
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| fysa | I have $50 toward an N810 for an emulator genius. | 08:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | TI is retarded. | 08:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | You make the dev stuff free and increase the value of your hardware by huge amounts. | 08:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | When are the dinosaurs gonna die so we can have awesome technology? | 08:09 |
| Tama^2 | pupnik: is that enough to get DSP taks compiled and uploaded to the DSP (using the gateway) | 08:10 |
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| fysa | how do I add debian packages to my scratchbox again? | 08:12 |
| fysa | or was that just for source? | 08:12 |
| pupnik_ | source? | 08:12 |
| pupnik_ | you might be able to run some armel binaries, dunno | 08:12 |
| fysa | maybe I'm dreaming. | 08:12 |
| fysa | compiling things like automake is silly. | 08:12 |
| pupnik_ | i had to compile a ton of basic tools over the past year | 08:13 |
| pupnik_ | luckily chinook sdk seems to have more current ones | 08:13 |
| rm_you | anyone know offhand how i want to go about getting/setting gconf values in C? | 08:14 |
| fysa | maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0? | 08:14 |
| rm_you | a link to an API or something would be super excellent | 08:14 |
| pupnik_ | fysa: you can get automake1.7-1.9 in chinook | 08:14 |
| pupnik_ | just apt-get install it | 08:14 |
| fysa | aha, yes, thank you. | 08:14 |
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| pupnik_ | deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free | 08:15 |
| pupnik_ | you can also add stuff like that to /etc/apt/sources.list | 08:15 |
| fysa | doh | 08:15 |
| fysa | configure.ac:22: require Automake 1.9.6, but have 1.9.5 | 08:15 |
| pupnik_ | i think you edit aclocal.m4 to reduce that number | 08:16 |
| pupnik_ | not sure | 08:17 |
| fysa | ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/Sourceware/automake/automake-1.10.tar.gz | 08:17 |
| fysa | yes, debian source is a good idea. | 08:17 |
| fysa | then you can steal from their debian/ ;) | 08:17 |
| pupnik_ | rm_you: see http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html | 08:18 |
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| pupnik | rm_you: did you get the link? | 08:26 |
| rm_you | yeah | 08:26 |
| rm_you | thanks :) | 08:26 |
| rm_you | will have to read later | 08:26 |
| rm_you | i want to sleep tonight, and i have a paper to write :/ | 08:26 |
| pupnik | np. didn't know if it made it before i disconnected | 08:26 |
| pupnik | ok cheers | 08:26 |
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| |tbb| | morning all | 09:15 |
| pupnik | huhu | 09:17 |
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| n0ob_ | good morning | 09:25 |
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| proteous | installing win2k on a raid 5 array of 7 disks with a hardware raid controler takes like 1 minute :) | 09:44 |
| proteous | formating an 8 gig partition with NTFS takes like 15 seconds | 09:45 |
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| hachi | ARRGHHHHH | 09:47 |
| hachi | my 810 just rebooted on its own | 09:48 |
| proteous | it's like magic!! | 09:48 |
| hachi | something is seriously wrong with this platform | 09:48 |
| proteous | :/ | 09:48 |
| hachi | I'm sitting 5 feet from it, can't have been any action on my part | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | One of the watchdog's watched things crashed. | 09:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | hachi, you might consider flashing and restarting with Claws mail. | 09:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Modest is awesome, but it's not 100% and some of the bugs bug some people a lot. | 09:51 |
| hachi | I tried claws and the interface was awful | 09:51 |
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| proteous | use ssh and mutt | 09:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 09:53 |
| n0ob_ | proteous: hehe | 09:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'd work. | 09:53 |
| proteous | that's what I do | 09:53 |
| proteous | a screen session with mutt and irssi running in it on a remote server | 09:54 |
| proteous | can connect from anywhere I can get a ssh connection | 09:54 |
| proteous | check my email and chat | 09:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Isn't screen the best? | 09:54 |
| proteous | yeah | 09:54 |
| hachi | I bought it for the purpose of having something that could blink at me when I needed to care | 09:55 |
| proteous | except when you do something screwy and get a screen inside screen thing going and the universe implodes | 09:55 |
| scibot | Anyone figured out how to do pixel doubling with pygame yet? | 09:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | hachi, goodnews is that it'll only be another month or two for the next firmware update and Modest will probably come out of beta then. | 09:55 |
| hachi | what was the point of the 700 series of this device though? | 09:56 |
| proteous | don't diss my 770 | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 770 was awesome. | 09:56 |
| scibot | Prototype. | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still is awesome. | 09:56 |
| proteous | at least not until I get my 819 | 09:56 |
| proteous | er, 810 | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, for all it's troubles, OS2005 was incredibly groundbreaking. | 09:56 |
| hachi | I'm sure it is, but what software did you use? | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the same software you use now. | 09:56 |
| scibot | YAY FLASHBLOCK! | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just in earlier version. | 09:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/version/versions/ | 09:56 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Just in earlier versions. | 09:57 |
| hachi | the email client uses up 100% cpu all the time, the IM client can't connect | 09:57 |
| proteous | the browser is more stable then yours! | 09:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bull, proteous. :P | 09:57 |
| proteous | I just use the browser and xterm for ssh | 09:57 |
| proteous | and the audioplayer | 09:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd still say the 770 makes the world's best ebook reader. | 09:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fantastic media remote. | 09:57 |
| proteous | with ssh I get email and IM+IRC | 09:57 |
| solmumaha | and a great navigator | 09:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | hachi, the IM client CAN connect. | 09:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lot of people are using it just fine. | 09:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | and e-mail using 100% is new to me. | 09:58 |
| hachi | I'm just sad because I bought this because openmoko wasn't ready | 09:59 |
| proteous | I've never opened the email or IM client on my 770 | 09:59 |
| hachi | nokia marketed it as though it would work better | 09:59 |
| proteous | heh | 09:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it does for a lot of people. | 10:00 |
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| proteous | the only reason I lust after a 810 is for the keyboard | 10:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | You've evidently entered an edge-case where problems crop up, though. | 10:00 |
| n0ob_ | hey folks: what is a "nokia av connector 3,5mm"? does this prevent using standard headphones? | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | proteous, the N8x0s are so stupidly faster than the 770. | 10:01 |
| hachi | what items are watchdoged? | 10:01 |
| proteous | I don't really have any speed problems | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, n0ob_. | 10:01 |
| proteous | although I can't complain about that | 10:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's a standard 3-channel 3.5mm jack found on 1000s of devices. | 10:01 |
| proteous | er, I wouldn't complain if I got more speed | 10:01 |
| n0ob_ | GeneralAntilles: thx | 10:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'll complain about the 770's speed when you get an N810. :P | 10:02 |
| proteous | lol | 10:02 |
| solmumaha | in most cases at least | 10:02 |
| inz | hachi, have you ever seen a company market it's product as unfinished and buggy? | 10:02 |
| inz | hachi, except FIC with Neo, of course, but they're not marketing to the great public | 10:03 |
| hachi | I have one of those | 10:03 |
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| hachi | I'm glad it was a gift, didn't have to buy it | 10:03 |
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| hachi | okay then... if I'm gonna give claws a shot... I'm trying to find a way to unsubscribe from all the folders except inbox | 10:25 |
| hachi | it seems to subscribe to all by default | 10:25 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 10:36 |
| Khertan | Is there a way to see/scan all available wifi AP in python ? | 10:37 |
| solmumaha | libconic? | 10:42 |
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| solmumaha | the lib itself was broken in ruby when i tried it, but the scanning worked fine | 10:47 |
| b0unc3 | good morning | 10:51 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:52 |
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| _collin_ | re | 10:54 |
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| Khertan | solmumaha > it s seems there is now libconic binding for python ... not ready yet | 10:57 |
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| Khertan | hum ... in fact it s seems avalaible : python-conics | 11:00 |
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| * Jaffa sees on p.m.o that mdk's left Nokia. Doh | 11:02 | |
| kennyyu_ | hi there, I've read this page (http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/ideintegration.html#AEN76) but aren't sure if I can start a debugger session (DDD) for debugging mozilla firefox-bin... actally, is it possible? | 11:03 |
| kennyyu_ | Or it would be grateful to let me know if there's anyone who's tried this before :) | 11:04 |
| kennyyu_ | thanks | 11:04 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:14 |
| Khertan | solmumaha > i get a strange error : connection !=NULL failed in file dbus-connection.c line 5154 | 11:15 |
| Khertan | morning hrw | 11:15 |
| solmumaha | Khertan: sry, not a python person so i can't help you there | 11:17 |
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| Khertan | solmumaha > no prob | 11:17 |
| maddler | morning all | 11:21 |
| solmumaha | Khertan: can you think of an app written with python that uses it? | 11:21 |
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| jku | Khertan, conic doesn't have api for getting list of all APs, IIRC | 11:29 |
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| solmumaha | oh | 11:31 |
| jku | con_ic_connection_get_all_iaps() only lists configured ones despite the name | 11:31 |
| jku | again, _if_ I recall correctly | 11:31 |
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| solmumaha | is hcitool included on default? | 11:33 |
| solmumaha | ah, sry | 11:33 |
| solmumaha | bluetooth thing | 11:33 |
| solmumaha | any console app for scanning? | 11:33 |
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| johnx | you could compile hcitool in scratchbox without too much work... | 11:34 |
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| jku | solmumaha you can use dbus (there's a python script somewhere in the internet) | 11:36 |
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| _collin_ | solmumaha: nop it is not | 11:53 |
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| _collin_ | solmumaha: if you wait until the weekend ... there will be something | 11:54 |
| _collin_ | I had a package for bluez-utils | 11:54 |
| _collin_ | but it broke the rest of the bluetooth stuff | 11:54 |
| _collin_ | so now I'm going to make a package with just the missing binaries | 11:54 |
| Blafasel | Nice.. Support for the bluetooth scanner package of yours? ;) | 11:55 |
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| _collin_ | yes | 11:55 |
| _collin_ | also for my keyboard | 11:55 |
| _collin_ | it needs to reconfigure the bluetooth device type so it looks like a keyboard when a PC is scanning | 11:55 |
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| hahlo | is /media/mmc2 inner sd card? | 11:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 11:58 |
| hahlo | thanks | 11:59 |
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| hahlo | got bigger card inside, i do partitions for that | 12:00 |
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| hahlo | omg i boot os2008 and got five big ? question marks on the screen | 12:10 |
| pupnik | wow | 12:11 |
| solmumaha | screenshot? | 12:11 |
| hahlo | they weren't in last boot | 12:11 |
| hahlo | solmumaha: how I get one? | 12:12 |
| hahlo | must be cause this pid cx3110x | 12:15 |
| solmumaha | install the load-applet | 12:16 |
| hahlo | ok | 12:16 |
| hahlo | device did reboot | 12:16 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=907&d=1201681972 lftp ftp client for Chinook | 12:18 |
| pupnik | wb johnx | 12:19 |
| johnx | hi | 12:20 |
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| pupnik | wb ssvb :) | 12:21 |
| * pupnik feels like a receptionist | 12:21 | |
| ssvb | pupnik: hi :) | 12:21 |
| johnx | eh, that's ok...I feel like a factoid bot sometimes | 12:22 |
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| hahlo | umount /media/mmc2 said Device or resource busy | 12:22 |
| pupnik | ssvb, is there a double-buffering 400x240 sdl in our future? | 12:22 |
| johnx | try stopping metalayer crawler | 12:22 |
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| * pupnik wants to get faster sdl without figuring out all the stuff ssvb has done | 12:23 | |
| hahlo | johnx: didn't help | 12:24 |
| ssvb | pupnik: theoretically it should be possible, but in practice it may require hacking kernel, xserver and libsdl (all of this stuff is part of the standard firmware) | 12:24 |
| johnx | hahlo, interesting | 12:24 |
| hahlo | killall metalayer-crawl | 12:25 |
| solmumaha | did it actually die? | 12:25 |
| ssvb | pupnik: ensuring compatibility with all the firmware versions may be not so easy | 12:25 |
| johnx | yeah I usually use its script under init.d | 12:25 |
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| hahlo | solmumaha: no it didn't | 12:25 |
| pupnik | ssvb, ok so the compatible way is to use xsp with sdl updaterect? | 12:25 |
| pupnik | things are basically ok as long as blits are 400x240, even with current sdl | 12:26 |
| ssvb | pupnik: yes, probably that's thme most compatible method right now (if xsp support will not be dropped), though it has many limitations | 12:28 |
| ssvb | pupnik: one more option is to hack xserver and add RGB support to Xv, this way it will be possible to use arbitrary scaling and tearsync | 12:29 |
| hahlo | seems unkillable this metalayer, what is it anyway? | 12:29 |
| pupnik | it crawls the filesystem to find media files, i think | 12:29 |
| ssvb | pupnik: but this will work only for N800/N810 | 12:29 |
| johnx | hahlo, did you try it's init script? | 12:30 |
| pupnik | ssvb, should i be disabling xsp doubling after every updaterect? | 12:30 |
| hahlo | i try that | 12:30 |
| ssvb | pupnik: I don't know, I stopped using xsp long ago :) | 12:31 |
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| hahlo | that helped | 12:31 |
| pupnik | oki. i will try to study mplayer sometime. thanks for the pioneering work! | 12:31 |
| hahlo | metalayer stopped but device still busy | 12:32 |
| hahlo | umount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy | 12:32 |
| pupnik | lsof |grep mmc | 12:33 |
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| hahlo | don't see mmc2 at all only mmc1 and mmc0 | 12:34 |
| pupnik | argh this distortion on N810 is k i l l i n g my ears | 12:35 |
| pupnik | sorry hahlo, then i don't know | 12:36 |
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| hahlo | ok i got mmc2 anyway /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 | 12:36 |
| johnx | hahlo, just turn the tablet off, and pull the card | 12:37 |
| hahlo | can I do partions in pc? | 12:38 |
| johnx | under windows? | 12:38 |
| hahlo | no | 12:38 |
| johnx | linux with card reader? yeah | 12:38 |
| hahlo | debian gnu linux, ok | 12:38 |
| johnx | yeah | 12:38 |
| johnx | and you can use something better than sfdisk too | 12:38 |
| johnx | use cfdisk or gparted | 12:39 |
| * johnx hates sfdisk | 12:39 | |
| hahlo | card got small swap can i keep that in it? | 12:39 |
| hahlo | 128mb swap partition in 2gb kingston | 12:40 |
| johnx | yeah, sure | 12:40 |
| hahlo | ok | 12:40 |
| johnx | just don't swap to any card that you don't have a good warranty on :P | 12:41 |
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| hahlo | johnx: how big fat partition needed? | 12:45 |
| hahlo | that 480mb? | 12:45 |
| johnx | I don't know | 12:45 |
| johnx | for debian? | 12:45 |
| hahlo | yes | 12:45 |
| johnx | or what? | 12:45 |
| hahlo | your system | 12:45 |
| johnx | it doesn't need a FAT partition at all | 12:45 |
| johnx | it needs an ext2 partition | 12:46 |
| johnx | or ext3 | 12:46 |
| hahlo | only one? | 12:46 |
| johnx | if you only want Debian it just needs one Ext2/3 partition | 12:46 |
| johnx | if you want to boot Debian and OS2008 off of SD then you need one partition for each | 12:46 |
| johnx | I just have my 2GB card as one ext3 partition | 12:47 |
| hahlo | so i make just one partition with fdisk | 12:47 |
| johnx | yes, you only need one partition | 12:48 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:49 |
| johnx | 'mornin | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | Morning. | 12:49 |
| pupnik | test your SD card speed: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=788&d=1200124104 | 12:52 |
| hrw | pupnik: its no test | 12:55 |
| pupnik | i suppose so | 12:55 |
| hrw | pupnik: on tablets SD speed depends on CPU speed | 12:55 |
| pupnik | i get varying results | 12:55 |
| hrw | you need first to change cpufreq governor to 'performance' one, do test, switch back to 'ondeman' | 12:55 |
| hrw | otherwise it is useless test | 12:56 |
| hrw | and use hdparm instead of dd ;) | 12:56 |
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| pupnik | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 13:00 |
| pupnik | performance | 13:00 |
| pupnik | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 13:00 |
| pupnik | performance | 13:00 |
| pupnik | oop | 13:00 |
| pupnik | i will change script | 13:00 |
| pupnik | but i think cpu scaler might go to 400mhz with this dd anyway | 13:02 |
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| pupnik | will compare between performance and ondemand | 13:02 |
| lardman | hrw: why does bitbake only produce debs of some files? | 13:08 |
| hrw | lardman: use "-cbuildall" | 13:08 |
| lardman | Are they only the ones I've bitbaked directly? | 13:08 |
| hrw | lardman: yes - its due to fact that package tasks are not dependents of other tasks | 13:08 |
| lardman | ok | 13:08 |
| hahlo | johnx: how i untar xvjf or should i stick p too? | 13:09 |
| lardman | Octave appears broken, doesn't symlink its libraries from /usr/lib/octave-3.0.0/ to /usr/lib/, but this might be a postinst script failure I suppose | 13:09 |
| johnx | hahlo, what does p do? | 13:09 |
| johnx | ah | 13:10 |
| johnx | doesn't matter if you're root | 13:10 |
| hahlo | ok | 13:10 |
| pupnik | does SD get slower as it fills up? | 13:12 |
| hrw | pupnik: should not | 13:12 |
| pupnik | can i force slow cpu with any of these scalers? conservative ondemand null powersave performance | 13:13 |
| lardman | conservative | 13:13 |
| lardman | or powersave | 13:14 |
| pupnik | k | 13:14 |
| lardman | try a google for the difference, I can't remember it atm | 13:14 |
| johnx | pupnik, the sd card itself won't get slower, but certain filesystems will get slower when close to full. I know at least reiserfs will slow down a lot over 90% full | 13:14 |
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| pupnik | hah got my fastest read times on powersave | 13:16 |
| lardman | the cpu is probably not the limiting factor in any case | 13:17 |
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| pupnik | ooh most of them are slower now | 13:24 |
| pupnik | lardman: did you post your work on DSP ogg anywhere for others to see/download? | 13:25 |
| pupnik | or what's up with that... got boring/frustrating? | 13:26 |
| lardman | pupnik: garage project | 13:27 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/dsp-tremor-devel/2008-January/000000.html | 13:28 |
| pupnik | oki! | 13:28 |
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| pupnik | maybe Idnt could put someone on this! | 13:29 |
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| Lynoure | I'm a newbie when it comes to using N800 with a phone. Any trouble I should be expecting with Motorola RAZR V3xx? Couldn't find anything with Google. | 13:35 |
| inz | jku, compiling gammu is the easy part, compiling cmake took ages | 13:36 |
| jku | inz, ouch | 13:36 |
| inz | jku, I guess I'll dput cmake too, so I don't lose it ;) | 13:37 |
| ssvb | lardman: I wonder if the next firmware will allow running DSP tasks at 133MHz keeping ARM core at 400MHz | 13:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lynoure, search ITT. | 13:37 |
| ssvb | lardman: otherwise using DSP does not look very attractive from the practical point of view | 13:38 |
| ssvb | lardman: In any case, if I get it right,no matter if 400/133 or 330/220 mode is used, OMAP is running at the highest possible voltage which makes it not very good for the battery | 13:39 |
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| Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: Did not, could not find anything on any RAZR | 13:41 |
| Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: I guess it means more good than bad... | 13:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Er, nothing? http://tinyurl.com/yvojgg | 13:42 |
| johnx | Lynoure, if you search for v3xx on internettablettalk.com/forums and select "show posts" you'll find the settings you need and even a speed report | 13:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, second go on Debian. | 13:44 |
| johnx | did you find anything wrong with that card? | 13:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 13:45 |
| johnx | weird | 13:45 |
| johnx | but not the weirdest thing I've seen with SD cards ... not by a long shot | 13:46 |
| lardman | ssvb: Igor was talking about releasing the steps to alter the multipliers wasn't he? | 13:46 |
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| lardman | ssvb: or just be removing the kernel switch you mean? | 13:46 |
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| Lynoure | johnx: thanks | 13:47 |
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| * lardman needs caffeine | 13:50 | |
| Lynoure | johnx: found it. Looks like a particularly tricky phone. | 13:50 |
| johnx | mmmm...caffeine | 13:50 |
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| hahlo | why it doesn't work tar xvjf debian-armel-n800-beta2.tar.bz2 | 13:53 |
| johnx | it doesn't? | 13:53 |
| johnx | what happens? | 13:53 |
| hahlo | tar: invalid option | 13:54 |
| hahlo | Usage: tar -[czxtvO] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)] | 13:54 |
| johnx | aaah | 13:54 |
| johnx | on the tablet | 13:54 |
| _berto_ | anyone using OS2006 or OS2007 here ? | 13:54 |
| johnx | hmm | 13:54 |
| inz | hahlo, your tar doesn't support j | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Grab the tar there. | 13:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stick it in /home/user/bin/tar or summuch | 13:54 |
| inz | hahlo, use bzip2 -dc <package| | tar xv | 13:55 |
| johnx | yeah, or untar it on a destkop machine with a card reader | 13:55 |
| johnx | guess I should add something to the FAQ... | 13:55 |
| hahlo | ok first linux where tar didn't work | 13:55 |
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| johnx | yeah, that's busybox... | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 13:56 |
| inz | hahlo, tar does work, it just doesn't support j, which is a gnu tar addition | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damned busybox. | 13:56 |
| inz | Don't blame busybox, blame GNU for bloating everything | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | How about we blame both? | 13:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | and toss Apple and Microsoft in there for fun. | 13:57 |
| inz | General, busybox is good in what it does, I don't comment on whether it was a wise choice on maemo though | 13:57 |
| johnx | it probably was a good choice | 13:57 |
| johnx | I'd be willing to bet it saves a good chunk of disk space and lots of RAM | 13:57 |
| inz | jku, gammu 0.18.0-1mh1 in maemo-hackers bora now | 13:57 |
| johnx | however, I don't have to pretend it's my preferred hacking environment... | 13:58 |
| inz | johnx, disk space, probably, RAM, that I wouldn't be so sure | 13:58 |
| johnx | yeah, I guess RAM savings will probably be more a result of shell choice | 13:59 |
| inz | I would guess dash would do about as good ram consumption wise | 13:59 |
| johnx | I should probably get Debian using that by default... | 14:00 |
| inz | Ubuntu already does ;) | 14:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's booting, I think, johnx. :D | 14:00 |
| inz | And many people have complained because it breaks their _bash_ scripts that pretend to be sh scripts | 14:00 |
| lardman | ssvb: since when were you interested in power saving anyway, just extracing the most performance :) | 14:00 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, woo! | 14:00 |
| johnx | inz, but makes up for the RAM savings of dash by adding it 10 hojillion other things | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | Busybox can be compiled with 'j' support for tar, IIRC | 14:01 |
| inz | # CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_BZIP2 is not set | 14:02 |
| inz | From maemo busybox's config file | 14:02 |
| inz | jku, actually the gammu packages are also in chinook now, I hope they work ;) | 14:03 |
| Jaffa | inz: so, we can blame Nokia :-) | 14:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | How long should this take, johnx. <_> | 14:03 |
| inz | Jaffa, no, blame GNU | 14:04 |
| johnx | hmm...probably not this long | 14:04 |
| johnx | give it another minute or two | 14:04 |
| johnx | I really hope this worked for *someone* | 14:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 14:04 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, at least usb networking should have come up | 14:06 |
| johnx | you can try that easily enough | 14:06 |
| duluu | hello all | 14:06 |
| johnx | hi | 14:06 |
| duluu | a week ago I bought N810 from amazon.com | 14:06 |
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| duluu | and having problem with wireless connection | 14:07 |
| duluu | through DHCP it acquired IP address, but no nameserver | 14:07 |
| jku | inz, ok thanks. I'll check during weekend | 14:08 |
| duluu | how I can become root? and change /etc/resolv.conf | 14:08 |
| inz | duluu, maemo uses dnsmasq, /etc/resolv.conf should point to 127.0.0.1 | 14:10 |
| inz | duluu, or ITOS, that is | 14:10 |
| lardman | duluu: you can enable r&d mode | 14:11 |
| duluu | yep, it's pointing to 127.0.0.1 | 14:11 |
| jku | duluu, several ways (see maemo wiki). I ijust install ssh and xterm, then ssh root@localhost | 14:11 |
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| jku | but you should fix your dhcp instead... | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oooooooh | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | There it goes | 14:12 |
| inz | duluu, /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 should have the right values | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Taaaastyyyyyyy | 14:12 |
| duluu | tnx, it's working now | 14:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's too cool. | 14:12 |
| jkyro | hi, anybody know how to find out the bluetooth name programmatically? | 14:12 |
| jkyro | in OS2008 | 14:13 |
| jkyro | 2007 used to have a gconf key for it but no more :( | 14:13 |
| jku | jkyro, what exactly do you want? | 14:13 |
| jkyro | to find out the name that is used as the bluetooth name of the device | 14:13 |
| jku | bluez dbus api | 14:15 |
| jkyro | ah, OK | 14:15 |
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| jkyro | thanks | 14:15 |
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| Jaffa | jkyro: there used to be a file in /etc too | 14:17 |
| hugolp | is there any way to block the screen? | 14:17 |
| hugolp | Ive taken the N800 out as a mp3 and when I put it on the pocket and walk a little is a big party | 14:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lock touchscreen and keys? | 14:17 |
| hugolp | GeneralAntilles: I think that locking the touchscreen would be enough | 14:18 |
| hugolp | is there any way? | 14:18 |
| Jaffa | hugolp: default configuration has short press of power button + middle of d-pad | 14:19 |
| _berto_ | anyone wanting to help me test the upcoming Vagalume 0.5 on the 770 or N800 (OS2007) ? | 14:20 |
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| solmumaha | _berto_: sure | 14:21 |
| _berto_ | :) | 14:21 |
| _berto_ | http://people.igalia.com/berto/files/tmp/ | 14:21 |
| _berto_ | thanks | 14:21 |
| _berto_ | you had a 770, right? | 14:21 |
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| _berto_ | I tested in the SDK and it seems to work | 14:22 |
| solmumaha | with 2006 and another with hacker/2007 | 14:22 |
| pupnik810 | any streams to reccomend? | 14:22 |
| _berto_ | if nothing strange happens I'll probably release 0.5 today | 14:22 |
| solmumaha | k, but my tests have to wait, still at work | 14:22 |
| pupnik810 | streamtuner is a pretty killer app | 14:23 |
| _berto_ | ok, I'm going for lunch now | 14:23 |
| _berto_ | so don't worry | 14:23 |
| _berto_ | :) | 14:23 |
| pupnik810 | hehe | 14:23 |
| hugolp | Jaffa: whats the default lock code? | 14:24 |
| johnx | have you tried 12345 ? | 14:25 |
| * Jaffa has never PIN-locked his devices | 14:25 | |
| hugolp | Ive tried 1234 | 14:25 |
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| Jaffa | (well, maemo devices) | 14:25 |
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| hugolp | johnx: yeah, that worked | 14:26 |
| johnx | :) | 14:26 |
| johnx | infobot, I do your job better than you | 14:26 |
| infobot | You do your job better than you? | 14:26 |
| inz | omg, recursion | 14:26 |
| johnx | I think it's mocking me... | 14:26 |
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| inz | How so, if you're reursively better at your job than you are, aren't you something like infinitely good at your job? | 14:27 |
| hugolp | yeah, your something like god | 14:27 |
| inz | (well, turning it around, you're recursively worse at your job than you are, but you can ignore that) | 14:27 |
| johnx | infobot, the defaultlockcode is 12345 | 14:28 |
| infobot | okay, johnx | 14:28 |
| ssvb | lardman: I'm interested in both performance and power efficiency (it is better if you are able to watch a full length movie on a single battery charge) :) | 14:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Crap, johnx, do I really need to apt-get bluetooth to start off? | 14:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | This particular onscreen vkb is painful. | 14:29 |
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| johnx | bluetooth is included | 14:29 |
| johnx | I have no idea how if pairing will help you though... | 14:29 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I have no idea what's up with the keymap in X :( | 14:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, so humor the nooblette, my network is WPA2 AES | 14:34 |
| solmumaha | _berto_: what's new btw? | 14:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do I need to setup the network config? | 14:34 |
| johnx | in /etc/network/interfaces uncomment the block about wlan0 and put the right values in for ssid and psk | 14:35 |
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| johnx | be sure you put your "pass phrase" in quotes | 14:35 |
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| _berto_ | solmumaha: in short: a statusbar plugin (for OS2008), a download window, new buttons and UI improvements, and some fixes | 14:35 |
| _berto_ | I have to leave now, see you later | 14:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Crap, vkb is all weird in vi. <_< | 14:36 |
| johnx | lame :/ | 14:37 |
| johnx | I would do usb networking instead to edit stuff, etc | 14:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but then I'd have to install a USBNet driver over here | 14:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I don't feel like rebooting. | 14:38 |
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| johnx | it emulates a really standard USB ethernet controller | 14:38 |
| johnx | I would hope to god any modern OS has had that driver since 2002 | 14:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, so would I. | 14:39 |
| lardman | ssvb: true :) | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | But we're talking about Leopard here. I have IP over Firewire. :P | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I actually may have USBNet | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope, guess not. | 14:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quote ssid, too? | 14:40 |
| johnx | I don't think it hurts | 14:40 |
| johnx | and you probably only need to quote your passphrase if it has spaces | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, all edited | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything I need to do, or r i connected? | 14:41 |
| johnx | ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0 | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops . . . that SSID is 250 miles south. | 14:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sweet | 14:46 |
| johnx | win? | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like how the URL history dropdown pulls focus from the vkb | 14:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, win. | 14:46 |
| johnx | do you like your temporary MAC address? | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fun stuff | 14:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm more of a tea guy myself, though. | 14:47 |
| johnx | seriously though...that's not my doing | 14:47 |
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| johnx | the MAC address must be set by wlancond or something else | 14:48 |
| johnx | you can make it anything you want... | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | user have a default pass? | 14:48 |
| johnx | read the Wiki :P | 14:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Never! | 14:48 |
| johnx | I think it's password, but the account is locked | 14:48 |
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| GnutoN810 | hi | 14:48 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, as root: passwd -u user ; passwd user | 14:49 |
| johnx | hi GnutoN810 | 14:49 |
| GnutoN810 | johnx: hey :) | 14:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | apt-get install x11vnc and done makes me happy. :3 | 14:51 |
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| oil | GeneralAntilles: x11vnc is the client to connect to server or the other way around? | 14:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | To provide a server on the device. | 14:56 |
| K-Fox | hi | 14:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles is in Debian on his N800. | 14:56 | |
| K-Fox | i did buy n800 ,today | 14:56 |
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| K-Fox | setting, i find out some problem | 14:57 |
| oil | GeneralAntilles: aah. not available for default os I suppose | 14:57 |
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| K-Fox | operator setup select country <---- of list , my country have no (korea) | 14:58 |
| K-Fox | bluetooth | 14:58 |
| oil | I admire johnx work with debian, but then again I'm afraid that there will be less work for default OS when all the gurus start working with debian :-o | 14:59 |
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| K-Fox | setting bluetooth,operator setup select country <---- of list , my country have no (korea) | 15:00 |
| K-Fox | i dont know at all | 15:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | oil, http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 | 15:00 |
| oil | GeneralAntilles: thanks. I'll try that one | 15:00 |
| Tak | oil: ...but then we'd all have access to an extremely well-maintained and regularly-updated OS... | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | K-Fox, if you know your operator settings, you can either just put bogus info into the wizard or bypass it completely. | 15:01 |
| K-Fox | ok | 15:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia's Asian support is pretty much non-existant. | 15:02 |
| K-Fox | really? | 15:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pretty much | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain they don't officially sell the devices anywhere over there. | 15:03 |
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| oil | tak: true, but what makes it risky business is that: then there will be less support and less developers for maemo. -> less things for normal users -> the device is less attractive -> Less sales -> ? | 15:04 |
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| Tak | debian and maemo are not mutually exclusive | 15:05 |
| Tak | e.g., regardless of the underlying OS, I personally would still run matchbox and hildon apps, because they're better suited to the device | 15:06 |
| oil | I guess in every business we need the masses to buy devices so that the development can continue | 15:06 |
| Tak | besides, 90% of the third-party software "for maemo" began as generic linux software | 15:07 |
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| oil | tak: yes. and that should continue as well. | 15:08 |
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| |tbb| | who has run usbnet ever with the tablet | 15:09 |
| johnx | oil, Maemo/hildon exists in Debian. What I want is for apps written for one to work on *both& | 15:09 |
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| zaheerm | have people tried this: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/01/usb-otg-easy-way.html i assume it uses the cable nokia provide with the n810 right? | 15:10 |
| suihkulokki | Microsoft Offers $44.6 Billion for Yahoo | 15:13 |
| * suihkulokki blinks | 15:13 | |
| Lynoure | zaheerm: seems to use mini-usb - usb cable, yes, Nokia's or some other's | 15:13 |
| zaheerm | micro usb, no ... looks like an n810 in picture | 15:14 |
| Tak | "After the failure of MSN Live! search, and having been repeatedly rebuffed by Google, Microsoft begins buying random search-related companies..." | 15:14 |
| Lynoure | zaheerm: oh, it's called micro? | 15:14 |
| zaheerm | n800's slot is mini usb | 15:15 |
| Lynoure | anyway, you probably got the point :) | 15:15 |
| suihkulokki | mini-usb was such a huge connector they had to make a smaller | 15:15 |
| Lynoure | any cable that fits between the N8x0 and the plain F to F usb :) | 15:16 |
| glass | microusb takes almost the same space on devices | 15:16 |
| glass | so it's rather pointless... yet on some phones it's the only way to charge | 15:16 |
| suihkulokki | it's *thinner*, and people drool on thin things | 15:17 |
| Lynoure | suihkulokki: thinner is the new bigger =) | 15:17 |
| zaheerm | like microsd instead of minisd :) | 15:17 |
| solmumaha | yahoo deal sounds bad for freebsd | 15:17 |
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| glass | suihkulokki: like nokias smaller charger plug | 15:18 |
| zaheerm | nokia's new devices seem to be charged by microusb instead of the smaller charger plug | 15:18 |
| glass | on most, if not on all, phones that it's on theres space for the bigger | 15:18 |
| glass | not all devices | 15:18 |
| glass | just the thin | 15:18 |
| glass | and nobody has microusb | 15:18 |
| glass | have to bring your own full charger everywhere... | 15:19 |
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| Jaffa | Woohoo, using minicom I've connected to my phone over Bluetooth from my N810. A quick AT command like the following then gives me cell info: AT+CREG? | 15:23 |
| glass | up to the phone | 15:23 |
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| X-Fade | Wow, Intel released it's complete specification documentation for Intel 965 graphics card. Now if we only got TI to do the same ;) | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | The docs are even CC-attribution licensed :) | 15:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 15:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Open Letter time! | 15:41 |
| Tak | killer | 15:41 |
| Tak | X-Fade: you have a link? | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | http://www.x.org/docs/intel/ | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | Including 3D.. | 15:41 |
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| Tak | nice, thank you | 15:44 |
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| X-Fade | I have that card in my laptop, so I hope a lot of goodies come from that release ;) | 15:44 |
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| hahlo | hmm seems to boot only flash says boot flash | 15:51 |
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| Karlo | Best girls in the world - http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139655440 | 15:56 |
| Jaffa | lardman|away: ping | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | Great, another spammer.. | 15:56 |
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| X-Fade | Ah ;) K-lined... | 15:57 |
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| cizarro | X-Fade, better than K-Fedded. | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | heh. | 15:59 |
| pupnik | i wish i could fork() myself | 16:00 |
| Tak | pupnik: you can; you just need a partner | 16:01 |
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| pupnik | :) | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | Tak: That has a big lag of about 16 years.. | 16:02 |
| jku | yeah, and they say forking is not that expensive... well, that one is | 16:03 |
| hahlo | now i found menu key, now boots from card i think | 16:04 |
| Tak | X-Fade: yeah, we could stand to do some optimization on that | 16:05 |
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| hahlo | johnx: doesn't seem to like boot from card just say failed but in chroot /media/mmc2 /bin/sh seems to work | 16:23 |
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| ywwg | I'm having trouble connecting to a WPA accesspoint with my new n810. I was able to connect at home fine, but at work it says it's not getting an ip address. Is there a way I can try to connect through the terminal so I can see what's going on? | 16:26 |
| pupnik | is there a possibility to record output of the ITOS multimedia sound architecture to test for overflow / distortion in waveform? | 16:26 |
| pupnik | maybe 'dmesg' in terminal ywwg | 16:26 |
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| ywwg | pupnik: nothing helpful there unfortunately | 16:29 |
| ywwg | if I didn't know better I'd say I have the wrong wifi password, but I know it's right | 16:29 |
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| WSW | hello | 16:31 |
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| Nermal | lo wsw | 16:33 |
| WSW | hi | 16:33 |
| WSW | nermal | 16:33 |
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| Blizzy | Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today? | 16:34 |
| WSW | hi | 16:34 |
| WSW | how are you | 16:35 |
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| Tak | hmm, the fbi figured out how to use tor | 16:36 |
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| ywwg | looks like it's just a dhcp issue, if I specify an ip it works | 16:45 |
| darkip | probably your router then? | 16:46 |
| darkip | maybe it's set to only assign a certain amount of ip addresses | 16:46 |
| darkip | or has mac filtering on? | 16:46 |
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| ywwg | darkip: Unfortunately we hired a new bunch of people to admin our linux server, so it's a black box no | 16:52 |
| ywwg | now | 16:52 |
| michele | hello | 16:52 |
| ywwg | but hopefully they'll help me look at the logs or something | 16:52 |
| ywwg | I have a sense that the n810 is just timing out, my laptop takes 30-40 seconds to get an IP and the n810 gives up sooner than that | 16:52 |
| michele | who wants to try a greasemonkey script to make ITT forum slightly more bearable on the tablet? | 16:52 |
| Tak | have you tried the "classic" theme? | 16:53 |
| michele | yes | 16:53 |
| michele | the script modifies that | 16:53 |
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| michele | less margins, bigger fonts and especially bigger change page buttons | 16:54 |
| michele | http://micampe.it/m/ittforum.user.js | 16:54 |
| Tak | oh, haha | 16:55 |
| Tak | I thought you were asking if anybody wanted to try his hand at writing one... | 16:55 |
| _berto_ | i'm back | 16:55 |
| michele | nomis, I got fed up with those tiny unclickable numbers | 16:56 |
| michele | s/nomis/no | 16:56 |
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| pupnik | request arm assembler guru to optimize fmopl.c | 17:00 |
| pupnik | http://mamedev.org/source/src/emu/sound/fmopl.c | 17:00 |
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| fysa | how is bochs? | 17:07 |
| fysa | http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gnuab/debian/pool-armel/main/b/bochs/bochs_2.3.6-2_armel.deb | 17:08 |
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| fysa | it emulates SB16 | 17:08 |
| suihkulokki | bochs is sloooow | 17:09 |
| fysa | but if the SB16 emulation is better, that's what we need, right? | 17:10 |
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| fysa | http://bochs.sourceforge.net/doc/docbook/development/sb16-emulation-basics.html | 17:14 |
| _collin_ | pupnik: most stuff doesn't need asm optimization since compilers are really good | 17:14 |
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| pupnik | yah | 17:16 |
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| solmumaha | _berto_: seem to just fine | 17:17 |
| solmumaha | work | 17:17 |
| dphil9000 | I wonder if it's worth it to install bash | 17:17 |
| solmumaha | bora works on hacker | 17:18 |
| _berto_ | great! | 17:19 |
| _berto_ | :) | 17:19 |
| _berto_ | have you tested in 2007he or 2006 ? | 17:19 |
| solmumaha | both | 17:20 |
| solmumaha | gregale on 2006 | 17:20 |
| _berto_ | great, thanks | 17:20 |
| _berto_ | :) | 17:20 |
| _berto_ | good to know that | 17:20 |
| _berto_ | if you have any quick suggestion it could go into the final release | 17:20 |
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| _berto_ | (we have a couple of hours) | 17:21 |
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| solmumaha | stop and close connection after some time period? :) | 17:22 |
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| _berto_ | uh, we don't have the time for that now :) | 17:24 |
| _berto_ | but maybe for the next version ... | 17:24 |
| solmumaha | k | 17:25 |
| solmumaha | my name first in credits? | 17:26 |
| solmumaha | that's quick | 17:26 |
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| _berto_ | lol | 17:27 |
| _berto_ | :) | 17:27 |
| _berto_ | well, you're right actually, you've helped a lot testing it in OS2006 | 17:28 |
| solmumaha | nono | 17:28 |
| _berto_ | so if you give me your name you'll appear in the THANKS file | 17:28 |
| solmumaha | it's nothing | 17:28 |
| _berto_ | ;) | 17:28 |
| solmumaha | /whois | 17:28 |
| solmumaha | but no need | 17:29 |
| _berto_ | it's just the THANKS file :) | 17:29 |
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| pupnik | ok i did find some code in dosbox that makes heavy use of trig | 17:30 |
| pupnik | is there a place where i can read how to link-in the vfp libm? | 17:30 |
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| Tak | pupnik: -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp ‽ | 17:33 |
| dphil9000 | Apparently I have several IP's | 17:33 |
| Tak | or do I misunderstand the question? | 17:33 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone got a dosbox image with Win 3.1 (or, I suppose, 95/98) with appropriate configs for an N810? | 17:37 |
| * Jaffa fancies seeing it, but can't be bothered with finding an install and going through the palaver. | 17:38 | |
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| pupnik | tak yes i want to use those cflags but i heard that for trig functions, a special libm was required | 17:46 |
| Tak | you'd have to build (or acquire) a libm built with those flags | 17:47 |
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| jga23 | has anybody been able to pull down their cell phone's address book with bluetooth and PBAP? | 17:56 |
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| zoran | pbap? | 17:57 |
| jga23 | phone book access profile | 17:57 |
| jga23 | when I do a service search on my phone that comes up | 17:57 |
| zoran | I used bluetooth from 64bit freebsd to nokia 6233 | 17:57 |
| jga23 | its the same profile that bluetooth car kits use, but I want to pull the phone book into my tablet | 17:58 |
| zoran | k, the app in fact is obexapp, and I use it with ftrn | 17:58 |
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| zoran | whatever is on the phone, it is accessible | 17:59 |
| zoran | the name of app on linux is something different | 17:59 |
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| Andy80 | yerga: hi :) | 18:38 |
| lardman | afternoon all | 18:39 |
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| pupnik | woo woo got another few percent speed out of dosbox | 18:40 |
| lardman | well done | 18:40 |
| Tak | huzzah! | 18:40 |
| pupnik | :) | 18:41 |
| pupnik | it's pretty big actually - testing ... | 18:41 |
| lardman | Wow, N800 seems sooo big after N810 | 18:43 |
| hrw | :) | 18:43 |
| Jaffa | Is it actually usable for anything apart from old CGA games? | 18:43 |
| pupnik | i'm testing with ultima underworld, doom and wing commander | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Found a reference to supl.nokia.com, the service it provides and more general details about it. | 18:44 |
| lardman | Jaffa: Good news :) | 18:44 |
| Tak | pupnik: have you tried one of the linux ports of ultima underworld? | 18:44 |
| pupnik | i haven't found any UW ports near usablility | 18:45 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: you have an url? | 18:45 |
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| lardman | .me twiddles thumbs while openssh generates keys | 18:49 |
| lardman | that was my hidden side | 18:49 |
| Jaffa | Nothing massively helpful after another Google: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Assisted_GPS_on_N95 - refers to an H-SPL standard. | 18:49 |
| Jaffa | (sorry 'net connection went down) | 18:49 |
| lardman | np, looking at the link now | 18:50 |
| lardman | ah yes, I've seen that, no mention of what is sent or received (i.e. thje formats) | 18:50 |
| Jaffa | No. I had a further google on H-SPL and SUPL and got references to Nokia's press release about Secure User Plane Locations but again, no formats. | 18:51 |
| lardman | ah, patents then perhaps | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | Indeed | 18:51 |
| lardman | something to do once we know it will work, rather than wasting time now methinks | 18:51 |
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| lardman | hmm, lost my ivorbisidec.cmd file reflashing, pita | 18:54 |
| pupnik | :/ | 18:56 |
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| lardman | hmm, oh well looks like I changed the memory locations so I didn't need one | 18:59 |
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| lardman_ | bloody computer | 19:05 |
| hrw|gone | bye | 19:06 |
| lardman_ | cu hrw | 19:06 |
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| pH5 | hi lardman_, what is the current status of your ivorbisdec.o efforts? | 19:16 |
| lardman_ | pH5: segfaulting at the moment, can't remember what I was doing when I stopped work last time | 19:17 |
| lardman_ | going to rebuild the arm-side, as that's what's failing | 19:17 |
| lardman_ | hmm, looks like I'm getting an error opening the device | 19:19 |
| lardman_ | dsp device that is | 19:19 |
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| lardman_ | aargh, no messages anywhere | 19:20 |
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| lardman_ | serves me right for reflashing my build machine - N800 | 19:21 |
| lardman_ | test machine even | 19:21 |
| lardman_ | hmm, it's failing with "Interrupted system call" | 19:23 |
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| lardman_ | When in doubt reboot | 19:25 |
| lardman_ | back to the question, the dsp code runs but for some reason does not recognise the vorbis stream as being the real deal | 19:26 |
| lardman_ | am tracking down where this occurs | 19:26 |
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| lardman_ | it falls over on the 3rd header (I think that's the right one), the one which contains the decoder setup data | 19:27 |
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| lardman_ | fine, reboot sorted that out | 19:29 |
| lardman_ | now it's running ok | 19:29 |
| lardman_ | http://pastebin.ca/887839 is the sort of thing I'm looking at | 19:30 |
| * lardman_ feels like he's talking to himself, anyone out there? | 19:30 | |
| ph|ber | how do you make canola rescan the audio db? | 19:30 |
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| mgedmin | open and close the card cover? | 19:32 |
| * pH5 was just is listening in awe ;) | 19:32 | |
| pH5 | s/is// | 19:32 |
| infobot | pH5 meant: hi lardman_, what the current status of your ivorbisdec.o efforts? | 19:32 |
| lardman_ | lol | 19:32 |
| lardman_ | ok, so at the end of that pastebin, you see the line: vorbis_book_unpack: Wrong alignment | 19:33 |
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| lardman_ | The two lines before output the values of the 2 bytes which are about to be read from the stream, they ==0, the 24bits I want to read should ==0x564342 | 19:34 |
| lardman_ | so either my bit reading code is broken (though it has worked thus far) or my buffer alloc code is broken (has also worked thus far) or perhaps I've forgotten to cast those outputs to unsigned shorts (the only values I'm allowed to output) | 19:35 |
| lardman_ | have just tweaked code to be sure, rebuilt, sft'd new module across, re-run, and same error | 19:38 |
| lardman_ | sftp'd | 19:38 |
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| lardman_ | supper time, the pub quiz but next time I look at it I need to check the bit reading code | 19:40 |
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| lardman_ | all sizes are handled in terms of 8bit bytes, but obviously one needs to convert them to 16bit sizes for the DSP to actually find, so I'm wondering if there's a problem when my buffer starts on an odd byte | 19:41 |
| pH5 | lardman_: is this the code that is uploaded on your homepage? the dsp-tremor svn repo is empty. | 19:42 |
| lardman_ | there's a tarball | 19:43 |
| lardman_ | I need to work out how to create the svn repo | 19:44 |
| * lardman_ slightly embarrassed at that | 19:44 | |
| lardman_ | tarball on the garage page that is | 19:44 |
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| Tak | it's super-easy - `cd sourcedir; make maintainer-clean; svn import https://garage.maemo.org/svn/projectname/trunk` | 19:46 |
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| lardman_ | ok, so I should put everything in "trunk" | 19:46 |
| pH5 | ah, ok. I just started turning pcm2.o into C code. | 19:47 |
| pH5 | let's see whether we get the decoder working first, or sound output :) | 19:47 |
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| lardman_ | pH5: well if you want to persue the pcm2.o code that would be fine, we can quite easily pass across pcm code to test it with | 19:50 |
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| lardman_ | pcm data that should have read, am going mad | 19:52 |
| pupnik | :/ | 19:52 |
| Tak | well, it's really up to you how you structure it - some people do: projectname/trunk/projectname , etc | 19:52 |
| pH5 | lardman_: yes, this way I force myself to get to know the dsp a bit better. | 19:52 |
| lardman_ | yeah, I was going to think about it, but really I should stick the code up, especially as I'm making changes again | 19:52 |
| ssvb | lardman_: what does sizeof(char) return on DSP? | 19:54 |
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| pH5 | I think just putting things directly under trunk is the easiest way for such a small project, unless the arm/gstreamer and dsp parts are supposed to live in separate tarballs | 19:54 |
| lardman_ | eventually the arm-side gstreamer stuff will need to be in a separate tarball | 19:55 |
| pH5 | hm. there is a DSP_CMD used in pcm2.o that is not yet in the old osso-dsp-headers-0.1. Is there a newer version available somewhere? | 19:55 |
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| lardman_ | no, I think there were some missing bits | 19:56 |
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| ssvb | lardman_: well, I'll try to confirm the sizeof stuff myself when I get home, the idea is to try simulating the same environment on some kind on normal desktop PC (maybe big endian PPC) and reproduce the problem you have | 20:04 |
| lardman_ | ssvb: 1 | 20:05 |
| lardman_ | sorry I missed your question earlier | 20:06 |
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| lardman_ | ssvb: but sizeof(short)==1 as well, and short is 16bits | 20:07 |
| lardman_ | so is byte for that matter | 20:07 |
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| ssvb | lardman_: it does not matter, we could pretend that we just don't have char type at all (replace everything with typedefs) | 20:08 |
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| lardman_ | it's annoying for bit reading code though | 20:08 |
| lardman_ | as you then need to extend the range of the masks, etc. | 20:09 |
| lardman_ | I don;t think it's a major problem to be honest, just a quick tweak should sort this bit out, and then another for the next. It's just time consuming | 20:09 |
| ssvb | lardman_: I remember dealing with 4-bit graphics long time ago (half of char), that experience can be probably somewhat useful here | 20:10 |
| lardman_ | cool | 20:10 |
| lardman_ | let me see if I can track down where the problem is, if it's the bitreading code then the more eyes & ideas the better | 20:10 |
| lardman_ | :) | 20:11 |
| ssvb | lardman_: it would be probably preferable to have the code which works more or less identical on various platforms (and breaks because of the same problems) | 20:12 |
| lardman_ | the majority of the code is unchanged, just these size specific sections | 20:13 |
| lardman_ | though in reality lots of it will need to be changed - optimised, for the DSP | 20:13 |
| ssvb | lardman_: so changing 'char' -> 'short' (or better some typedef) and sizeof(x) to some kind of SIZEOF(x) macro which whould return 2 for 'char' might be useful, that's just an idea | 20:14 |
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| lardman_ | yes, I can see the idea | 20:15 |
| ssvb | lardman_: but string functions and all the stuff will still expect sizes in 16-bit chars, so don't know | 20:15 |
| lardman_ | perhaps not, they may expect two 8bit values in the char | 20:15 |
| lardman_ | I've not looked at how strings are stored on the dsp, I've not needed to | 20:16 |
| * Jaffa wonders if/when we'll see another OS2008 update | 20:16 | |
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| pH5 | lardman_: a char is a char on the dsp, so no packing two ascii chars into 16-bit. | 20:17 |
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| lardman_ | pH5: fair enough, but if you pass data from the arm-side it will be packed | 20:18 |
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| lardman_ | hmm, svn wasn't impressed with my first attempt to upload the source code | 20:23 |
| lardman_ | should I create a local repo as in the instructions?: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.tour.importing.html | 20:23 |
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| kulve | I think C spec says that sizeof(char) == 1, always. | 20:24 |
| lardman_ | yes indeed | 20:25 |
| lardman_ | but I can do: char a=0xffff | 20:25 |
| kulve | sure | 20:26 |
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| kulve | sizeof(char) == 1 byte. The byte can be whatever, depending on the platform | 20:26 |
| kulve | whatever in bits I mean | 20:26 |
| |tbb| | re | 20:28 |
| lardman_ | kulve: exactly | 20:28 |
| lardman_ | so reading in x bytes reads in a variable amount of data depending on the platform | 20:28 |
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| lardman_ | hmm, svn will have to wait until after the pub quiz | 20:36 |
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| Lateralus | How would I go about getting gdb to load symbols for the desktop process when debugging remotely? Normally I attach to a running process (the desktop process) and everything loads properly. Debugging remotely I use target remote host:port, and it connects but symbols for libs are not loaded. | 20:37 |
| kulve | Lateralus: it might find them if you install the symbols to your SB target where you are running the gbd from. | 20:39 |
| kulve | maemo-debus or something like that | 20:39 |
| bipolar | Does anyone out there running kde on their tablet know if there is a way to simulate a right-click? | 20:39 |
| kulve | Lateralus: have you checked this: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html | 20:40 |
| Lateralus | kulve: I have them, and they load when I'm not debugging remotely | 20:40 |
| Lateralus | wait wait, I bet I forgot to re-run the script in this target. | 20:41 |
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| Lateralus | kulve: You're thinking of debug-dep-install (maemo-debug-scripts) | 20:42 |
| Lateralus | Nope, the debug packages are installed | 20:44 |
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| benno2 | hi, trying the os 2008 maemo sdk on ubunty gutsy. seem to work fine but when I launch certain apps I get | 20:59 |
| benno2 | process 1467: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory | 20:59 |
| benno2 | See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue. | 20:59 |
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| |tbb| | how can i run a scrip which is executed from root as user | 21:21 |
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| Lateralus | |tbb|: su user -c script | 21:22 |
| rm_you | or add the script as a valid command in the sudoers file, and then you could do "sudo ./script" | 21:23 |
| |tbb| | k again, the script is allready executed as root now inside the script i would run anything as user | 21:26 |
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| pupnik | anybody up for some dosbox version comparisons, speed and regression testing? | 21:36 |
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| ds3 | pupnik: how does one give input to dosbox? the one installed from the repo doesn't seem to let me do much | 21:42 |
| pupnik | ds3 on n810? | 21:43 |
| ds3 | no, N800 | 21:43 |
| pupnik | then you need to install xkbd http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html | 21:43 |
| ds3 | ah | 21:44 |
| pupnik | there is a pocketpc port of dosbox with sdl keyboard if anyone is interested to work on that | 21:44 |
| ds3 | would a BT keyboard be usable then? | 21:44 |
| pupnik | yes BT is wonderful with dosbox | 21:44 |
| ds3 | hmmm | 21:44 |
| ds3 | interest level in dosbox just went up from zero ;) | 21:45 |
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| ds3 | would you happen to know if it emulates the HP200LX quirks (graphics and other little things)? | 21:45 |
| pupnik | no | 21:45 |
| fysa | is there a comparative MHz we can expect, in 80286/80386 terms? | 21:45 |
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| pupnik | i dunno but my latest build is screamin compared to my last ones | 21:46 |
| ds3 | it certainly seem like the N800 is really the convergence device (different meaning then the marketeers usage of it) | 21:46 |
| pupnik | umm but that means still painful compared to 386 in general | 21:46 |
| ds3 | anyone making x48 or another HP48 emulator so work on the 800/810? saw screen shots but no binaries | 21:47 |
| pupnik | i'm trying to fix the soundblaster emulation so it doesn't absolutely kill performance, and so far i got prince of persia with music up from 400 to 1300 cycles | 21:47 |
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| fysa | slick | 21:48 |
| pupnik | yeah it's really playable except for the dpad woes | 21:48 |
| pupnik | we need a frontend with per-game settings | 21:49 |
| pupnik | on and framerate in wing commander and one-must-fall just about doubled in latest build | 21:50 |
| pupnik | still too slow though | 21:50 |
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| fysa | never used dosbox before, can you call executables from the linux command-line? i.e. "dosbox whatever.exe" | 21:59 |
| pupnik | yep | 21:59 |
| fysa | I think we need a 'games launcher' that lets you import profiles, where profiles contain an icon, a name, a launch command. | 22:00 |
| fysa | and maybe a 'bundle' of some sort. | 22:01 |
| pupnik | tak's xmaeme does that for multiple emulators | 22:01 |
| fysa | yes, xmaeme does that fairly well for emulators -- but it's emulator-centric and not game-centric. | 22:01 |
| fysa | I would want all games in a single list, "Wing Commander (dosbox)" | 22:01 |
| pupnik | that's a nice idea for the xmaeme 'main page' | 22:02 |
| fysa | then checkboxes with filters to enable/disable | 22:02 |
| pupnik | no, each emulator has widely varying options | 22:02 |
| fysa | so you can turn all dosbox games off/on. | 22:02 |
| pupnik | ohh | 22:03 |
| pupnik | ok | 22:03 |
| fysa | xmaeme will run out of room for tabs soon ;) | 22:03 |
| Tak | it only shows the tabs for things you have installed ;-) | 22:03 |
| fysa | Tak.. is there a way you can have xmaeme only scan directories once on launch? or is it something else that lags the rom-selection dropdown when I open it? | 22:04 |
| * pupnik goes to do more -uh- 'testing' | 22:04 | |
| Tak | it only scans on launch | 22:04 |
| fysa | populating/rendering the list is slow? | 22:05 |
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| fysa | there's a delay of a few seconds, just long enough for me to question whether I hit it properly or not. | 22:05 |
| fysa | and when I hit it again, it queues the click and immediately closes when it does pop up. :) | 22:05 |
| Tak | they're populated at launch, too | 22:06 |
| Tak | it must be the rendering | 22:06 |
| Tak | there's zero xmaeme code that runs between the time it launches and the time you click "execute" or "browse" (or the fceu sound toggle) | 22:08 |
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| fysa | right. it's a gtk issue. | 22:09 |
| Tak | is this os2008? | 22:11 |
| fysa | yes. a couple hundred items in the list and it becomes slightly painful.. it would almost have to be a listview or something instead, which would force gtk to render it at launch. | 22:12 |
| fysa | not that most people would have this problem anyway. ;) | 22:13 |
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| Tak | even a few hundred items /shouldn't/ be a problem | 22:15 |
| Tak | because it theoretically only has to render a screenful at a time | 22:16 |
| * Tak ponders | 22:17 | |
| fysa | it's slow enough to feel like the list is being populated when I touch -- as if something is being created/copied around instead of being a pointer. | 22:19 |
| fysa | I can take a quick video if you care to see it in action. | 22:19 |
| Tak | hah, no, I believe you | 22:19 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: I'll try it on the N810 | 22:29 |
| Tak | I wonder if gtk is internally doing something stupid like adding the items one by one and rerendering the combobox every time | 22:30 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/dosbox.zip binary, chinook - compare to older versions | 22:33 |
| benno2 | hi, I am trying to compile vncviewer svn trunk under the chinook sdk, but I get this error: | 22:35 |
| benno2 | http://pastebin.ca/888017 | 22:36 |
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| keesj | benno2: I think the dep names changes try a apt-cache search hildon | grep dev | 22:37 |
| benno2 | keesj: yes thanks I thought about the same but there are many packages listed | 22:38 |
| keesj | and edit the debian/control the change the dep names | 22:38 |
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| benno2 | keesj: thanks, I changed the control file and now it starts compiling but it aborts during configure. do you think there is a package missing ? here is my output: | 22:43 |
| benno2 | http://pastebin.ca/888036 | 22:43 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: btw, any chance of getting dosbox to register itself and get a task icon (or is there a .desktop which works?) | 22:44 |
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| Blafasel | Hmm.. Tried to copy files from laptop to N810 today and couldn't make it work - not via bluetooth nor adhoc network. What's the voodoo here? | 22:48 |
| pupnik | jaffa, this has one: http://pupnik.de/gregale/dosbox_0.72-0.1_armel.deb | 22:49 |
| lcuk | which end were you copying from? - evening everyone btw | 22:49 |
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| Blafasel | The nokia bluetooth profiles only offered Pushing OBEX cards to the device or audio stuff, afaik. | 22:50 |
| lcuk | Blafasel, were you using the file manager shared folders area, or were you trying to push from your desktop | 22:50 |
| keesj | benno2: perhaps you van paste the full output of the command ? | 22:50 |
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| Blafasel | lcuk: The latter | 22:50 |
| lcuk | i have an adhox wifi network here and it works nicely | 22:50 |
| lcuk | I do all my copying with scp | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | is laptop running linux? | 22:51 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: ah right, been running it from the cmdline | 22:52 |
| Blafasel | Nope. Company device, XP | 22:52 |
| lcuk | have you managed to get files visible in explorer windows or are you running winscp? | 22:53 |
| lcuk | (or similar) | 22:53 |
| Tak | hmm, bluetooth copy from laptop => 770 Just Worked with XP | 22:53 |
| Blafasel | lcuk: I couldn't create the ad-hoc network at all (might be caused by really strange ibm tools on the windows side - so no way to use winscp | 22:54 |
| lcuk | i can bluetooth via my phone to 810, but from windows box i cant get bluetooth doing much - i think the different stacks on windows are all just crappy | 22:54 |
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| Blafasel | And Bluetooth just couldn't find something like the obex filetransfer profile or something.. | 22:55 |
| Blafasel | Strange.. | 22:55 |
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| lcuk | i had trouble with the original drivers i got with this wifi card, but i uninstalled them and used default windows ones and they went smoothly | 22:55 |
| maddler | hi all | 22:56 |
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| Tak | I just had to right-click (from explorer) -> send to device -> Nokia 770 | 22:56 |
| pupnik | Jaffa you can start it from ssh as well | 22:56 |
| lcuk | which bluetooth stack is on windows, is it default or have you got bluesoliel or similar | 22:56 |
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| Blafasel | Default one | 22:58 |
| lcuk | have you got as far as pairing them | 22:58 |
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| Cptnodegard | um | 22:59 |
| Cptnodegard | wtf | 22:59 |
| Cptnodegard | all the text on my n800 suddenly got smaller | 22:59 |
| Cptnodegard | how do i fix that? -.- | 22:59 |
| Blafasel | lcuk: Aye | 22:59 |
| Blafasel | Paired and trusted on both ends | 22:59 |
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| lcuk | can you send a file from 810 to laptop? | 23:00 |
| lcuk | node - have you been playing with your themes | 23:01 |
| Blafasel | No idea how, actually. Blame the stupid user in front of the device or the UI. ;) | 23:01 |
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| Blafasel | I would have expected to find something like the bluetooth browsing somewhere near the status icon.. Actually I just found the filemanager stuff after you mentioned the filemanager hint | 23:02 |
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| |tbb| | what is the diffrence when i reboot my device and init.d services started instead i start a service via ssh as root user | 23:03 |
| lcuk | blaf, just open up file explorer and open the bluetooth branch and follow it down - see whether you can see whats happening | 23:03 |
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| Blafasel | |tbb|: How did you start it? The parent id perhaps? | 23:04 |
| Cptnodegard | lcuk - no, it was this when i got it out of standby... must be a setting somewhere as the icons in control panel is equally small | 23:04 |
| lcuk | maybe it dreamt of upgrading to a 1024*768 screen whilst it slept | 23:04 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 23:05 |
| Cptnodegard | reboot fixed it | 23:05 |
| lcuk | musta just been a flag - was everything smaller or just the text? | 23:05 |
| Cptnodegard | which is kinda sad as iliked it small | 23:05 |
| Cptnodegard | just text | 23:05 |
| lcuk | i cant read the tiny text on this device - i had to up the minimum web browser size to 18+ | 23:06 |
| Cptnodegard | i have not prodlem reading it, so the pixel density pwns for my use | 23:07 |
| lcuk | i just love the fact i can read clear text without having to fuzz it up with antialiasing | 23:07 |
| |tbb| | just curios | 23:08 |
| * lcuk waits for kids to be home and in bed then cracks open a beer | 23:08 | |
| |tbb| | after a reboot my daemon runs but not interact with desktop, if i run it after i ssh to it and restarting it as root it works | 23:09 |
| Jaffa | in bed? that's patience | 23:09 |
| Blafasel | Beer's right here ;) | 23:10 |
| lcuk | i prefer to know they are safe. if i start now and one doesnt come home i may have to go driving | 23:10 |
| Blafasel | Which age? | 23:10 |
| lcuk | 13 (going on 20) | 23:10 |
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| smackpotato | whats with samba | 23:29 |
| smackpotato | on the n810 | 23:29 |
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| Blafasel | Dependencies are broken (wrong version of libsamba, I think) | 23:39 |
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