IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-02-01

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* LinuxCode cries00:04
LinuxCodesyncevolution dont work00:05
LinuxCodeno machine id for dbus00:05
LinuxCodehmm00:05
jottis the latest rtcom-beta-os2008 (2.1-18) usable or does it still cause reboot loops for some ppl? (postponed the upgrade until now)00:05
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LinuxCodehmm fixed new error00:06
LinuxCodelol00:06
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johnxjott, I'm pretty sure I heard that it was fixed a while ago actually00:09
johnxhaven't tried it though00:10
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jotthmm ok.. i'll see and report back ;)00:12
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jkujott: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2803 (FIXED)00:17
jottjku: thanks00:17
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hachiis there a way to get modest to open when 'more email messages' is the current state?00:34
hachiit opens just fine when there are individual messages, but when I get more than... 8, or whatever the threshold is, it tries to open the builtin mail app00:35
hachialso, what sort of network traffic triggers the icd to make a connection00:35
Tama^2I suspect that message comes from the builtin email client00:36
hachibuiltin email client isn't set up, so it's not possible00:36
Tama^2ah00:36
hachiif I set up the builtin email client... I lose power even faster00:36
Tama^2icd should open a connection when an app requests it via libconic00:37
hachinot that modest is helping the situation at all, anytime I'm away from a network it just fires up the icd on me and constantly scans00:37
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Tama^2I have disable modest/builtin automatic checks00:37
Tama^2s/disable/disabled00:38
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hachiAUGH00:42
hachimaemo extras failed gzip again today00:42
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johnxhachi, link to the file that failed?00:55
johnxor is this the known bug on bugs.maemo.org?00:55
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ds3anyone tried getting media player to play OGG/Theora?01:12
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lardmanyep01:14
ds3does it work well?01:15
lardmaninstall kulve's ogg gstreamer stuff01:15
lardmanseems to wotk ok01:15
lardmanplays sound at least ;)01:15
ds3I got the vorbis part working01:15
ds3just wondering if I should push my luck and get theora01:15
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lardmanah, I misread in that case01:15
lardmanmy apologies, nearly ned time01:16
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lardmanbed time01:16
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ds3oh you just did audio?01:16
ds3it is so nice to have a unified player for both ogg and mp301:16
lardmands3: have a chat with derf, he's one of the theora devs and was interested in getting it running (on the dsp, but he may have tried an arm decoder)01:16
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lardmanyeah, tried audio and am currently debugging a dsp task for vorbis decoding01:17
ds3i saw your frustrating efforts to get it working on the DSP01:17
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lardmannot too frustrating, the code runs ok, just needs some tweaks as I;ve not removed all the 16bit byte issues yet01:17
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lardmantho it was certain;y frustrating getting started :)01:18
ds3ah, last I read you were stuck at the 16bit vs 8bit bytes btwn the arm and dsp01:18
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lardmanah, that's all sorted, data are passed across fine. The problem is that the vorbis stream fails recognition at some point in the setup process01:19
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ds3lardman: was there some docs for the DSP you started with or was it purely a reverse engineering effort?01:19
lardmanhttps://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/dsp-tremor-devel/2008-January/000000.html should summarise01:19
lardmands3: There are docs, I did a fair bit of work to determine what they meant01:20
lardmanbut certainly not reverse engineering, more filling the gaps01:20
ds3gotcha01:20
lardmaninfo about it is on the maemo wiki -> dsp programming01:21
ds3I wonder how well would the DSP stuff work on a totally free kernel (i.e. the OMAP tree)01:21
ds3OMAP open source tree that is01:21
lardmanyou still need a dsp kernel01:21
ds3and that is not free I take it?01:21
lardmanand we're currently using (as a basis) the most free there is01:21
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lardmanyes, the source is available, partly from Ti iirc, not sure of the license, but on the ITs Nokia have added to that base01:22
ds3it would be nice to be able to upgrade the kernel as needed instead of wait for nokia01:22
lcuk_2kernel can be updated, its the file system image we wait for (or am i totally wrong)01:22
lardmanshouldn't be a problem with the dsp really, as long as you keep the dspgateway interfaces the same01:22
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ds3lardman: but isn't the dsp stuff all available as a binary .ko?01:23
lardmanbut then Nokia do a lot of the work for the omap kernel01:23
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ds3lcuk: the OMAP tree lacks support for a few things01:23
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lardmanthe tasks are all binary, the kernel is also binary, but you can build a basic kernel from source, just wothout the nokia additions01:23
johnxlardman, this is the dsp kernel, yes?01:24
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ds3right but if I wanted a 2.6.24 kernel on there, I don't have the DSP stuff at all (or am I wrong?)01:24
lardmanthe dspgateway stuff is included in the omap tree now01:24
lcuk_2yer i noticed just after, i know the base kernel is available tho, my mistake01:24
lardmanso assuming the interface hasn't changed (which it may have) it should just work01:25
ds3so the DSP kernel is not bundled into a binary module?01:25
johnxalso, is the DSP required for any type of sound at all?01:25
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ds3i seem to recall some page on DSP programming where they tell you to build stuff, then replace one of the objects with the .ko file from the device01:25
lardmanyes on both counts, though it may be possible to bypass it and produce sound through the kernel01:26
johnxthat's good to know01:26
lardmands3: but you can roll your own, without the Nokia bits (i.e. the supplied tasks for mp3 decoding will then not work)01:26
ds3lardman: but how are the nokia bits provided? as a .hex file I can download or soemthing specific to the kernel?01:26
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lardmanthe kernel has compiled-in modules (for want of a better word), these modules are the nokia bits, the base kernel has source01:28
ds3ah I think I get it now01:28
lardmanthere are also dynamically loaded modules which do mp3, aac, etc. decoding01:28
lardmanNokia have also provided the audio codec driver01:28
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lardmanas part of the kernel01:29
lardmanbut not as source, though there is similar source floating about, but not a trivial job01:29
ds3and nokia did not use the openmax stuff either I take it?01:29
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lardmannot yet, but it's on their roadmap01:30
ds3oh cool01:30
ds3prehaps one day with OS2010 I guess ;)01:30
lardmanthey acknowledged that it would take some time, so probably not too far off ;)01:31
fysaOS..  THREE-THOUSAND!01:31
ds3glad this is less nasty then the umac.ko situation01:32
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johnxyeah...01:32
lardmanwell it's not necessarily, there's no real scope to access the audio codec from the dsp side, Nokia are not willing (the legal dept) to release any info about that01:32
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lardmanit's just that they use the dspgateway, so we can also use it. Ti provide good docs for the tms320c55 (unlike other chips like the GPS5300)01:33
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ds3simple question - where is the actual audio hardware connected to? the arm side or the DSP side?01:34
lardmanboth I think01:35
lardmanthe question is really whether the DSP is required to setup the codec before the ARM side can do anything with it directly01:35
ds3okay01:35
lardmanI'm not sure, kernel source has the relevant code for the ARM-side access to the audio codec01:35
ds3IIRC, I can't get sound out via the stock OMAP kernel01:36
lardmanon an IT?01:36
ds3on the N800 specifically01:36
Tama^2lardman: if one was to develop a DSP task, is there a way to dump the result directly into the mixer task provided by nokia?01:37
lardmanin which case the DSP may need to set it up01:37
lardmanTama^2: I really don't know01:37
ds3or there is some userland madness that needs to happen01:37
lardmanTama^2: I think this is probably where we want to look at the EAP_* functions in the DSP kernel, but we have no headers01:37
ds3I was booting directly into a shell and getting in via usbnet01:37
lardmands3: I don't know I'm afraid.01:38
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ds3despite all this, the N800 as shipped does most of what I want... marketing hasn't turned it into a doorstop01:38
lardmanTama^2: The best bet atm is to decode on the DSP, then send the audio data back to ARM to output (either directly, or via the pcm dsp task)01:39
lardmanbut as we have no working audio decoders it's a bit of a moot point :)01:39
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lardmanbed time, night all01:40
ds3lardman: does all this apply to the 770 or is it 800/810 specific?01:40
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lardmands3: all have the same DSP01:40
pH5the communication between decoder tasks and the /eap SIO minidriver is really not complicated. we just need either somebody with a bit of C55x experience or a lot of time, but completely reversing the pcm2.o module is certainly possible.01:40
lardmanpH5: but to produce a codec driver you'd need to recompile the dsp kernel, and lose any Nokia stuff in there01:41
lardmanah, you're talking about using the existing driver01:41
pH5yup01:41
fugitivothat is what i was asking before01:41
lardmanall good, once we have a working decoder then perhaps more people will be interested in that01:42
lardmanagreed, it wouldn't be too bad, just some asm learning and testing, etfc.01:42
fugitivoi can't compile my own kernel without loosing compatibility? does the actual kernel have propietary kernel drivers?01:42
lardmanyes, the audio codec, but you could write your own reasonably easily01:43
fugitivoonly the audio codec?01:43
lardmanthere is other stuff too, configuration stuff you'd lose, etc.01:43
fysacan you dump it first?01:43
lardmanbut I don't know much more than that, I've only really looked at the audio situation01:43
fugitivowhat about that kernel image to support bigger memory cards?01:43
lardman?01:43
lardmanwe're talking dsp kernel atm01:43
fysai.e., can you dump it, repurpose, use it, then restore when finished?01:43
lardmanfysa: possibly, but it would take some serious work unless you could place it back at the same memory location01:44
lardmanfysa: plus the interplay between the bits might make it hard01:44
lcuk_2fsya, no there are a group of constants in source code which are different to the base options (if i remember rightly)01:44
lardmans/bits/part01:44
fysaah01:45
lardmananyway, learn to crawl before we run and all that eh? ;)01:46
* lcuk_2 is still learning to roll over01:46
lardman:)01:46
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lardmanright, I really am going to bed now01:46
lardmannight nigh01:46
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lcuk_2night lard, interesting as always01:47
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* lcuk_2 should look at screen whilst typing01:47
GeneralAntillesWhere's the fun in that?01:47
ywwgIs there a package in OS2008 that provides wget?  I tried apt-get install wget and it didn't work.  I thought it would be in extras01:47
GeneralAntillesgronmayer.com/it01:48
ds3on a different thing... what is the browser doing when it is displaying 'Updating...' during the first start? tcpdump shows no outgoing packets01:48
ds3this is OS200801:48
lcuk_2its updating01:48
ds3updating what?01:49
GeneralAntillesNever seen it say "Updating..."01:49
lcuk_2"..."01:49
ds3:P01:49
lcuk_2ive seen it, its one of those baloon things isnt it01:49
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ds3GeneralAntilles: close all the browser sessions and open a new blank sessions. shortly, it will say "Updating..."01:49
GeneralAntillesOh, guess so.01:49
lcuk_2"web loading"    browser displays, then before it loads page you get "updating"01:50
GeneralAntillesI'm going to say that's been there since OS2005 and I've stopped noticing.01:50
lcuk_2but its a different browser app isnt it01:50
GeneralAntillesEngine01:50
ds3thought it was the mozilla autoupdate but I see no options for it nor any traffic01:50
fysayeah, it does say Updating.01:50
fysait can get very annoying while using the browser with an RSS reader and closing it between links01:51
GeneralAntillesThere's no such thing as auto-update for MicroB01:51
fysaI think it's initializing plugins..01:51
fysaor the engine.01:51
GeneralAntillesfysa, that's probably correct.01:51
lcuk_2can we search the source tre for the browser and find "Updating..."01:51
ds3hmm01:51
* lcuk_2 goes for the shotgun approach01:52
fysaI believe the majority of the lagginess you feel with the browser is non-packet-related.01:52
fysaThen a good chunk is DNS/wireless overhead, then the rest is engine bloat.01:53
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lcuk_2i really want a proper flash block on the device01:53
fysait was just released.01:53
lcuk_2flash is great for specific items but 99% of the adverts kill pages01:53
GeneralAntillesDunno why it takes so much longer to load in OS2008 final than all previous versions.01:53
GeneralAntilleslcuk_2, pay attention. :P01:53
GeneralAntillesbrowser-extras01:54
fysaOS2008 has some I/O problems.01:54
lcuk_2...01:54
fysahttp://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/01:54
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fysaI don't know if this was there before..01:54
GeneralAntillesIt loaded up about twice as fast in the beta.01:54
lcuk_2where do i get info on new/updated packages01:54
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fysabut I think I/O on OS2008 is slower than on OS200701:54
fysaunless the CPU is pegged.01:54
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fysasubscribe to their RSS, lcuk_2 ;)01:55
GeneralAntillesor just pay better attention. :P01:55
lcuk_2but that involves installing and configuring another program.  the update manager should have a branch to say "hey heres all the new bits"01:55
ds3btw, is there a way to get a web page RSS feed link icon to automatically add a feed like in the older OS200[67]?01:55
fysahopefully I will have time to play with webkit next week.01:55
johnxfysa, which webkit based browser have you been looking at?01:56
johnxs/have you been looking at?/are you planning to look at?g01:57
fysahttp://webkit.org/01:57
fysacompiles fine, just haven't tried running yet01:57
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fysaWebkit/Gtk+01:57
lcuk_2repaste for myself: http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/    thanks for letting me know its avail01:57
fysahttp://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/08/07/webkit-maemo-port-n800-and-the-eal/01:58
johnxI didn't know if they were still working on that or not ...01:58
johnxepiphany-webkit runs great, BTW01:58
fysaYeah, I don't know about that one.01:58
johnxit could use a little slimming down, and hildonization though01:58
fysaBut someone here was talking about it..01:58
fysa#webkit maybe01:59
fysamidori01:59
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fysahttp://software.twotoasts.de/media/midori/screen1.png02:00
johnxI need to look at that again actually...02:00
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johnxRight now I'm in the market for a hildonized browser that doesn't just hook into Nokia's EAL...02:00
fysawebkit would make gmail actually usable. ;)02:00
johnxepiphany-webkit makes google maps usable too...02:01
fysatry GdkLauncher..02:01
fysaI think that's dead simple light02:01
fysahttp://michael.susens-schurter.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/webkit-gdklauncher.png02:01
johnxinteresting02:02
fysaOh, I know what it was.02:02
fysahttp://atoker.com/webkit-maemo/02:02
johnx:D02:03
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johnxI'll get a compile going ...02:03
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|tbb|re02:04
fysathe webkit SVN has hildonized bindings if you set the CPPFLAGS or something.02:05
fysahttp://atoker.com/webkit-maemo/README02:05
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fysaand then I heard something about the Android tree02:05
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johnxandroid is neat...It'll be interesting to see how that plays out02:06
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fugitivoi like blackberry02:09
johnxthey are delicious02:09
fugitivoi hated it first, but then I realized they did a great work with email, PIM and all that stuff02:09
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daveuxSo, I'm new to this Maemo/n810 stuff and I'm looking for some tips - just got my device yesterday.02:10
fugitivoif we can put that in the tablet, i'd be the perfect device (for me)02:10
daveuxThe only media player I02:10
daveuxThe only media player I've gotten to work is the built-in one.02:10
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daveuxAnd Modest email.02:11
fugitivodaveux: did you try canola2?02:11
daveuxYeah, for some reason it only scans 20 of my songs.02:11
daveuxIt looks great, but it doesn't see my other music.02:11
fugitivoweird02:11
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fugitivomaybe some configuration need changes02:12
daveuxMaybe it's my filenames.02:12
daveuxWhere can I find useful applets for the home screen? (or are there any...?)02:12
fugitivowhy? you have weird characters or something like that?02:12
daveuxYes, some question marks and foreign accent chars.02:13
fugitivohm, i don't have my n810 yet02:13
LinuxCodedaveux, you want mplayer02:13
fugitivodo you like facebook? i'm writing a home applet for it02:13
LinuxCodeit plays stuff and is faster than the built in one02:13
LinuxCodeand less jittery02:13
daveuxOk, I'll check it out.02:13
johnxdaveux, downloads.maemo.org: omweather is a nice weather applet02:13
LinuxCodedaveux, linux user ?02:13
daveuxYes.02:13
daveuxAlso, I'm having trouble re-arranging my panel.02:14
LinuxCodexchat, amsn user ?02:14
daveuxxchat02:14
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daveux(IRC in pidgin)02:14
daveuxhaha02:14
fugitivoamsn for maemo?02:14
LinuxCodehttp://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/02:14
fugitivoi want bitchx for maemo :)02:14
LinuxCodehttp://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/02:14
LinuxCodelast one is amsn02:15
LinuxCodemade by the amsn guy02:15
fugitivodoes the webcam works with amsn?02:15
LinuxCodeyes sir02:15
daveuxI wish someone would create a sexy gmail app.02:15
LinuxCode<--- was well impressed02:15
fugitivothat's great news for a friend02:15
fugitivohe complains because he can't use the webcam with anyone02:15
fugitivohe's going to be happy02:15
LinuxCodefugitivo, will he buy me a pint ?02:16
LinuxCodehaha02:16
LinuxCodethat happy ?02:16
GeneralAntillesdaveux, it's called "Modest".02:16
fugitivoif you come to Argentina sure he will02:16
LinuxCodefugitivo, ok02:16
LinuxCodelol02:16
* LinuxCode politely declines02:17
LinuxCodethats a long travel sir02:17
fugitivowhere are you from?02:17
daveuxOh, mplayer is just for movies.02:17
daveuxI just listen to music.02:17
fugitivodaveux: no, you can use it for anything02:17
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ds3mplayer is a media player02:18
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fugitivom(edia)player :)02:18
GeneralAntillesTry Kagu or UKMP or summuch for music.02:18
daveuxHmm, doesn't want to play anything but video on maemo.02:19
LinuxCodehttp://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo402:19
LinuxCodedaveux, you might find that link interesting02:19
daveuxI tried Kagu and UKMP, and they both really fritzed out on me.02:19
LinuxCodebut beware...not everything will work02:19
LinuxCodedue to dependencies02:19
LinuxCodebe very picky!02:19
fugitivoohh, too bad the video window is not in the same window as the chat02:21
lcddukmp was interesting. it played something but the sound was loud and clipping. even after shutting the tablet down it still continued for 5 seconds or so02:21
lcddin the charging screen that is02:22
daveuxAlso, they way ukmp (or Kagu) played my ogg files sounded like shit.02:22
daveuxSo, is it possible to add/remove apps in the organize applications dialog in the panel preferenceS?02:24
GeneralAntillesNo, that's not what that's for.02:24
GeneralAntillesYou want Application Manager.02:24
LinuxCodebloody hell02:24
LinuxCode£90million in the jackpot02:24
LinuxCodelool02:24
daveuxNo, I don't want to install/uninstall them.02:24
LinuxCodewhoever wins that will be a happy bunny02:24
LinuxCodeopen a datacenter02:25
LinuxCodefund a few opensource projects02:25
LinuxCodeand live at the beach somewhere02:25
Tama^2daveux: settings, panels, organise02:25
fugitivoLinuxCode: and then?02:25
LinuxCodeenjoy life ?02:25
fugitivoLinuxCode: and then? :)02:25
LinuxCodedevelop for the N81002:25
GeneralAntillesdaveux, what's your intention, then?02:25
fugitivoLinuxCode: that's too much for one person02:25
LinuxCodeor pay people to02:25
LinuxCodepay 20 people02:26
Tama^2daveux: you can move them around, you cannot remove them02:26
daveuxSo, my "My selection" category has Skype in it - I'd like that gone.02:26
LinuxCodeor pay the maintainers of packages to port stuff to N81002:26
daveuxThat's just an add for skype.02:26
LinuxCodefugitivo, tbh mate02:26
LinuxCodeId probabbly pay people to make fedora arm work properly02:27
johnxI'm not sure, you might be able to use that to install skype then uninstall it to get rid of all the skype icons...02:27
zerojayYeah02:27
LinuxCodeas its very develop status02:27
LinuxCodeatm02:27
daveuxLinuxCode, so I was thinking about a similar situation - what if I were Steve Jobs, with $18bn in the bank and running Apple?02:27
LinuxCodedaveux, Id be like Mark Shuttleworth02:28
daveuxI would buy all the patents and licences that make OS X closed source, then release it all under GPL.02:28
LinuxCodewho funds ubuntu02:28
LinuxCodedaveux, haha02:28
fugitivoI want to use the tablet as a diskless terminal02:28
daveuxJust buy up BSD, let it free.02:28
zerojaydaveux: That would be hard considering some of it is already BSD.02:28
LinuxCodefuck software patents02:28
LinuxCodethey dont even count in the EU02:28
LinuxCodespend ya money on something else02:28
fugitivooh that'd be cool, boot minimyth on it using the network02:28
johnxfugitivo, an x terminal?02:28
LinuxCodelike making a distro based in the EU02:28
LinuxCodebetter way to spen your money02:28
LinuxCodespend02:28
fugitivojohnx: booting the OS through the network02:29
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LinuxCodepxe boot02:29
LinuxCodehehe02:29
fugitivoyes02:29
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johnxfugitivo, uhm why?02:29
LinuxCodeif somebody wrote a bootloader like I have for my Jornada 710 to load familiar02:30
johnxfugitivo, though actually I know how ...02:30
fugitivoi have several mini-itx in my house booting minimyth02:30
LinuxCodeyou could probably do it02:30
LinuxCodeit resets wince into the system state02:30
LinuxCodeand you can boot linux02:30
fugitivojohnx: because I like diskless terminals :)02:30
johnxyou could probably get it working pretty well using fanoush's modified initfs02:31
LinuxCodepitty I never had a flashbaord for it02:31
LinuxCodeit would have been like a N810 years ago02:31
fugitivoyes, i'm reading http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs02:31
johnxjust bring up wifi inside the initfs (left as an exercise for the reader :) )02:31
LinuxCodefugitivo, let me know how that goes please02:31
johnxmount nfs share, and pivot_root02:31
LinuxCodeI was pondering to do that to boot the fedora arm rootfs02:32
johnxthough I think an x-terminal sounds more interesting :D02:32
fugitivoi'll need to compile a kernel02:32
johnxfugitivo, for nfs?02:32
jottspeaking of.. is there a working nx client for os2008?02:32
johnxLinuxCode, read my thing on Debian wiki, specifically the "How I did it" section for some (very hacky) ideas02:33
johnxhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian02:33
LinuxCodesmack me with the02:33
LinuxCodelink02:33
LinuxCodelol02:33
LinuxCodebeat me to it02:33
fugitivowell, i'll start with the experiment when my n810 arrives02:33
fugitivoso i can break my 770 and keep a working tablet for development :)02:34
johnxsounds reasonable :)02:34
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johnxLinuxCode, though really, why fedora over debian? :P02:35
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LinuxCodeI laways use and liked fedora02:38
LinuxCodeused02:38
johnxI guess so...02:39
LinuxCodewhat does it use as window manager ?02:40
johnxthere are really a lot more packages for Debian armel...including hildon02:40
LinuxCodewell sounds like a lot of stuff still doesnt work02:40
johnxyeah, it won't work in fedora either...in fact I can pretty much guarantee that less stuff will work02:40
johnxare you reading the "How I did it" or the status at the top?02:41
LinuxCodestatus02:41
johnxyeah, that's pretty current :/02:41
LinuxCodeim flying overit all02:41
LinuxCodewhat window manager is used ?02:41
johnxI'm using hildon-desktop02:42
Lateraluswhen unloading an applet is any other function hit after lib_deinitialize?02:42
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johnxIn a previous version I was using matchbox wm (w/ matchbox desktop and panel)02:42
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LinuxCodejohnx, k02:53
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legindso is this new Video Center better than gpodder?03:08
GeneralAntillesThey're . . . different.03:09
GeneralAntillesI use Canola2 for podcasts, though.03:09
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LinuxCodenn all03:15
LinuxCode;-]03:15
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Tama^2does anyone use canola 2 on a regular basis?03:43
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dphil9000Just installed it 5 minutes ago03:44
dphil9000Now to get some videos loaded on this thing03:45
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GeneralAntillesTama^2, yes, mostly for podcasts.03:50
Tama^2good, I am running some battery draining tests for idle mode so I cannot try it myself03:50
Tama^2at the moment at least03:51
Tama^2the videos I found online are cool, too cool to be true ;)03:51
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genevenwhat's the n8xx way to run chron, or schedule a program?04:29
johnxinstall crond04:30
geneventhanks04:30
johnxthere is something called alarmtool and alarmd that should be able to technically do it, but it looked like a pain to me04:31
johnxso I compiled cron04:31
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johnxhttp://sheeplauncher.net/cron_3.0pl1-100_armel.deb04:31
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dphil9000Anybody know where to find a standard ftp client for maemo?04:40
johnxif you search for ftp on garage.maemo.org you'll find a couple ... but I don't know how well they work04:42
dphil9000I tried ncftp from the elkins.org repository, but its features seem a bit odd04:42
dphil9000Ok tks04:43
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braddbr.hi, i am trying to navigate to my memory card in applications manager but cannot find the card.. is there a setting that lets me browse the whole filesystem?04:55
johnxare you talking about an SD card or the internal flash on the device?04:56
braddbr(this is a n800 and i have uploaded from my mac to one of the SD cards and wish to install the software)04:56
braddbran SD04:57
johnxyou should be able to see your whole SD card...04:57
GeneralAntilles"Uploaded"? What software?04:57
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braddbrfreeciv and nethack04:57
GeneralAntilles"Uploaded"?04:57
braddbri just threw them in the root folder of my SD cards04:57
braddbr(plugged in usb cable and transferred them over)04:58
GeneralAntillesDid you unplug the USB cable from the Mac?04:58
braddbrnope04:58
oilwith ermining I can sync google calendar with gpe-calendar. is there an similar app for the google notes?04:58
GeneralAntillesThere's your problem04:58
GeneralAntillesUnmount the cards04:58
GeneralAntilles(eject)04:58
GeneralAntillesand disconnect the cable.04:58
braddbrahh, that did it.. thank you04:58
GeneralAntillesGA's Pedantry of the Day: "Uploading" has to do with network transfers. Moving a file over USB or to another disk or somesuch is just "copying" or "transferring". ;)05:01
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johnxGeneralAntilles, so did you check out Debian?05:01
GeneralAntillesEhehe05:01
johnxnot quite up to your usability standards? :P05:02
GeneralAntillesExtracted it onto the second ext2 partition05:02
GeneralAntillesIt failed on /var or somesuch05:02
GeneralAntilleswouldn't boot05:02
GeneralAntillesthen the OS2008 partition wouldn't boot05:02
GeneralAntillesI gave up.05:02
johnxugh05:02
johnxthat's lame05:02
johnxI guess I should test writing it back to my card to see05:02
GeneralAntillesReformatted and repartitioned and now I can't mount /dev/mmcblk0p[23] to copy over the OS2008 from internal flash05:03
GeneralAntillesso, meh.05:03
johnxah, sounds like your card might have issues05:03
GeneralAntillesProbably something on my end since the OS2008 partition was also fubared.05:03
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GeneralAntillesReformatted to FAT32.05:03
GeneralAntillesIt's fine now.05:04
johnxyou can fsck -c to check for badblocks on ext205:04
GeneralAntillesYeah, there were a lot.05:04
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johnxaaaah05:04
johnxok, that's a card issue05:04
GeneralAntillesIt wouldn't let me run -a05:04
johnxheh05:04
johnxI think you can force it :)05:04
GeneralAntillesWish Nokia would release a firmware update so I could justify investing the time to wipe and start over.05:05
johnxheh05:05
johnxI did a wipe, then made a pristine backup of the internal flash05:05
johnxI'll probably make a baseline "ready to run" setup05:05
johnxmaybe I'll even go nuts and put it in version control or something05:06
GeneralAntillesHa05:07
johnxit's so handy to have a "known good" setup I can just rsync onto my card05:08
johnxI really should try and get /home to be on a separate partition...05:08
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nelsonDoes anybody know if Betty can work with up to 6 volts on the charger input?05:23
GeneralAntillesBetty?05:24
johnxBetty = N800 of course05:24
nelsonA chip in the N800.05:24
GeneralAntillesHe could be trying to plug the Nokia charger into his wife.05:24
johnxI figured it was a nickname for his N800 actually05:25
johnxhmm...I thought I remembered someone testing05:25
nelsonNo, it's the name of a "kitchen sink" chip.05:25
GeneralAntillesYou know what happens when you assume, johnx?05:25
johnxGeneralAntilles, I get a cookie?05:25
GeneralAntillesOf course!05:25
johnxwoo05:25
* GeneralAntilles gives johnx one of his double-chocolate chocolate-chip cookies.05:25
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johnxlots of posts with "voltage" in them on itt :/05:27
oilgee. either my holux gps or maemomapper can not cope with speed. I tried holux gps & N800 with maemomapper on a flight and with the speed over 1000km/h or 1024km/h it started to show speeds 1-5km/h (eg. actual speed is 1005 and mapper show 5km/h)05:30
GeneralAntillesGPS, oil.05:30
GeneralAntillesMy i-blue worked fine at around 575MPH.05:30
oilGeneralAntilles: ok. thanks. need to test some other time as well with different application.05:31
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johnxnelson, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1053505:33
johnxI don't know if that's what you need to know but it might be a place to start...05:33
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nelsonjohnx: tnx.05:37
nelsonoil: yes, that's by design.05:37
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nelsonoil: keeps you from putting a consumer GPS receiver into a missile.05:37
GeneralAntillesHaha05:38
johnxsure...but you'll have to tell me what you have planned :)05:38
oilnelson: hoho :)05:38
oil'only cruise misssiles supported' should be printed on the selling package :)05:40
Tama^2except by keeping a queue of last reads you can establish how fast you go anyway05:40
Tama^2so much for the antiterror br05:41
Tama^2*bs05:41
johnxand they just *wrap* the speed around? not have it print NaN?05:41
Tama^2Manager: Hey we need to comply with the new regulation05:42
Tama^2Programmer: no problem! *tap* *tap*05:42
Tama^2Screen: val = val & 0x0fff;05:42
Tama^2Programmer: There you go!05:42
johnxheh05:42
GeneralAntillesjohnx, I think it's actually a technical limitation05:43
GeneralAntillesrather than an in-built limitation05:43
GeneralAntillesbut I could be wrong.05:43
Tama^2GeneralAntilles: it's more likely it's technical a limitation05:43
Tama^2s/a //05:43
infobotTama^2 meant: GeneralAntilles: it's more likely it's technical limitation05:43
GeneralAntillesRight, like I said.05:43
Tama^2love you infobot05:43
Tama^2I was confirming you point05:44
GeneralAntillesThanks. :D05:44
Tama^2but it came out like that05:44
Tama^2:P05:44
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elbis there a way I can get the current wireless network's ssid from the shell is OS2008?05:49
nelsonjohnx: simple enough:   hot-melt-glue a steel plate to the back of my n810.  similarly glue two hard drive magnets to a four D-cell battery case.  Wire the batteries to an appropriate 2mm power plug.05:49
elbI don't have iwconfig05:49
nelsonelb: iwconfig .... hrm.05:49
johnxelb, wireless-tools05:50
johnxnelson, that sounds a little bulky, but pretty neat05:51
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elbnot installable in my current setup, must be on a different repository05:51
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nelsonjohnx: bulk ... I don't care about.   Being able to use my n810 ALL DAY LONG?  Priceless.05:51
johnxelb, gronmayer has the answers :)05:51
elbhmmm I thought his repository was in my applications05:52
johnxhow much capacity is that compared to the internal battery?05:52
johnxgronmayer is a list of repositories05:52
GeneralAntilleselb, gronmayer is an index. :P05:52
johnxhttp://gronmayer.com/it05:52
johnxa "repository" of repositories if you will05:52
elboh, I thought that was a dude's name05:53
oilI'm using  E61i as an charging station for N810 :)05:53
elbI have some g-named dude's repository in my apt ;-)05:53
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nelsonjohnx: three times.05:55
johnxnelson, quite nice05:55
johnxelb, er...it is a guy's name...but on his website he has a list of repositories...05:55
nelsonjohnx: so ... four times the regular battery's lifetime.05:55
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rm_youjohnx: have you tried this grandcentral thing?06:04
rm_youyou could get a free US phone number for calling in the US from your n800 :P06:04
johnxrm_you, I haven't looked at it yet06:06
johnxI put up the new debian BTW06:07
GeneralAntillesIt's epic win if your card doesn't fail.06:07
johnxI have to run an errand in a little bit, but I'll be back in a couple hours06:07
johnxGeneralAntilles, even if it looks like the card works with FAT16/32/whatever, I'd really run a good fs check on it and if it fails in any way, RMA that thing06:08
rm_youjohnx: posted where?06:09
GeneralAntillesThere an option I should use with fsck to do a thorough check?06:09
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johnxrm_you, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian06:10
johnxGeneralAntilles, -c I think06:10
johnxor -C if you really want to spend some time and get a reliable answer06:10
johnxerr06:10
johnxnot -C06:10
johnxhey...that sucks...it's a different flag for fsck.vfat vs fsck.ext206:11
johnxone sec06:11
rm_you-cc06:11
smackpotatorm_you:  ipkall gives free washinton state numbers as well06:11
rm_youdoes the nondestructive readwrite06:11
rm_yousmackpotato: i already have one of those :P06:11
rm_youas most of the time i live there ^_^06:12
johnxrm_you, for dosfsck?06:12
rm_youjohnx: oh :/06:12
rm_youjohnx: ext2/3 :/06:12
rm_youyeah i was typing before i read your last few lines06:13
rm_youi'm working on a python GUI for calling with GrandCentral06:13
rm_youusing curl and some hax06:13
smackpotatocool06:13
rm_youwherein you could just type in a phone number and hit call06:13
johnxGeneralAntilles, well, try just filling the card with data and see if it fails06:13
rm_youas opposed to their retarded address book / browser system06:13
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johnxanyways...I'm out of here for a while06:15
rm_youl8r06:15
* johnx lurks06:15
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smackpotatoi should of ask him what he knows of x being as his nick is johnx06:16
rm_youlol06:18
GeneralAntillesrm_you, so are things stable enough for you to fix the remaining GUI issues? :P06:22
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rm_youah, with adv-backlight?06:22
GeneralAntillesYeah.06:22
rm_youpossibly06:22
oilhmm.. we need documentation for semi-nerds who can not do programming, but can do a bit of shell scripting :)06:22
GeneralAntillesDocumentation of what?06:22
rm_youoil: we need shell scripts for semi-nerds who can not do programming, but can do a bit of documentation :P06:23
oilI tried to figure out how to export adressbook information so that I could import it to mysql db .. and then import back to n80006:23
oilfound this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/using_maemo_address_book_apis.html#includes and it's way too complicated for me :) I need simple command line examples :)06:25
rm_youGeneralAntilles: what were the main remaining problems again?06:25
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: like, what would you put as the highest priority06:26
GeneralAntillesIt doesn't go away when it loses focus06:27
rm_youah06:27
rm_youactually06:27
rm_youi have the fix for that06:27
rm_youalready mostly done06:27
GeneralAntillesit needs to capture taps outside of its window so you can tap in other places to remove focus.06:27
rm_yougive me a few minutes :P06:27
rm_youGeneralAntilles: no, actually06:27
GeneralAntillesNo06:27
GeneralAntillesNOW!06:27
rm_youyou'd laugh if i told you06:27
rm_youit made me scream when i saw06:27
oil /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db seems to be partly in v-card format, but then there is lot's of other stuff as well. any ideas how to export/import it with the command line?06:28
pupnikhttp://rawstory.com/news/2007/Buchanan_McCain_win_means_war_with_0128.html06:31
pupnikoop wrong chan06:32
GeneralAntillesWoo!06:32
GeneralAntillesBring on the end!06:32
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johnxoil,06:33
johnxMay:~# file /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db06:33
johnx/home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 8, native byte-order)06:33
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: it's misbehaving >_>06:44
oiljohnx: thanks. I'll try to get that one extracted06:46
GeneralAntillesLIke I keep telling you, do it right then.06:47
oiljohnx: and thanks for the tip, that there is file as well for maemo :)06:47
GeneralAntillesJust think of all the time you'd've saved if Nokia would release the source to their stupid statusbar applets.06:47
GeneralAntillesLet the hate grow.06:47
GeneralAntillesNurture it.06:47
hahlothey have ruined debian06:48
GeneralAntillesHaha06:48
GeneralAntillesIt's not Debian. :P06:48
GeneralAntillesIt's maemo.06:48
zerojayI don't think that could be possible.06:48
hahlosome derivate then06:48
zerojayDebian was ruined a long long time ago first.06:48
hahlothings like fakedebconf06:49
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hahlostripped down gnupg06:49
rm_yourofl06:51
rm_youi hate that06:51
rm_youi was like "it's almost like nothing i change is taking effect!"06:51
rm_you>_<06:51
hahlothey probably violated unix principals too06:52
zerojayWhich doesn't matter since it's not Unix.06:52
hahlothen it's not linux either06:53
hahloit is rubber boot06:53
zerojayThat makes zero sense.06:53
pupnikthen install johnx's debian onto the tablet06:56
hahlono passwds and such06:56
pupnik  http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian06:56
hahlosingle user thing06:56
oilwell. nokia used to make rubber boots, so maybe maemo is just going back to the basics :)06:56
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fysaadv-backlight is totally hot.07:05
fysathanks btw, rm_you07:05
pupnikthat allows more backlight levels?07:05
rm_youlol, np :P07:05
hahlooil: true07:05
fysamuch lower backlight level07:06
fysaperfect for bed/lights off use07:06
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: other bugs?07:10
GeneralAntillesNo border07:10
GeneralAntillesThat's about it.07:10
rm_youbleh07:10
rm_youthat's STILL annoying the crap out of me07:10
GeneralAntillesFocus issues are the ones people bitch about.07:10
GeneralAntillesBorder is meh07:10
rm_youyeah i think it's better07:10
rm_youoo sec07:10
fysayeah, I'd like for it to disappear when it loses focus.07:11
fysa(which means it should probably steal focus when it opens?)07:12
fysafor some reason the backlight never went off last night, and it wasn't plugged in.07:14
fysaI couldn't get it to go off so I let it sit there at level 2 or 3, still on and more than half battery in the morning07:14
fysanothing else was running, mind you ;)07:14
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pupnikSo is anybody working on the dspoggsink?  i guess something didn't work out?07:21
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rm_youdamn, i don't remember how i built this deb >_>07:42
rm_youi have the stuff set up...07:42
rm_youbut just the command >_<07:42
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rm_youGeneralAntilles / fysa: if you want to try it out, the new version is at http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.so07:45
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rm_youi cant remember how to package this >_> i'll have to ask inz07:45
GeneralAntillesHaha07:45
GeneralAntillesFail07:45
GeneralAntillesRemind me where I need to put this.07:45
rm_you/usr/lib/hildon-desktop/advanced-backlight.so07:45
* GeneralAntilles wants his scp scripts back.07:46
rm_youheh07:46
rm_youremember to unload the old one before you copy over it :P07:46
GeneralAntillesReinstalled Leopard and forgot to backup my scripts. :(07:46
rm_you:(07:47
rm_youanyways, 0.6 is a major improvement IMO07:47
rm_youtell me what you think of that07:51
rm_youat some point07:51
rm_youmeanwhile, i have a book to read / paper to write07:51
GeneralAntillesAlright07:52
GeneralAntilles'night then.07:52
rm_youit's better in like 3 ways :P07:52
rm_youlol, night?! pfft07:52
rm_youstill gotta sit here and read a 200 page book :P07:52
GeneralAntillesHaha07:53
GeneralAntillesI'll give you feedback as soon as my device stops being lame.07:53
rm_youlol07:54
GeneralAntillesrm_you, did I show you my new boot screens?07:54
rm_youno?07:55
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/err.zip07:55
GeneralAntillesWell, it looks better, and gives up focus when you tap the status-bar/task-bar07:55
GeneralAntillesbut not when you tap the desktop07:55
GeneralAntillesThat's just funky.07:56
rm_youlol07:56
rm_youyeah :/07:56
GeneralAntillesNor on applications07:56
GeneralAntillesHow'd you manage that?07:56
rm_youwell07:56
rm_youit's using... get this...07:56
rm_youhttp://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libhildondesktop/HildonDesktopPopupWindow.html07:56
GeneralAntillesHaha07:57
GeneralAntillesSame as the tooltip thing for OMWeather?07:57
rm_youi guess? >_>07:58
rm_youdunno07:58
rm_youand i shoved it in a GtkFrame for a border07:58
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GeneralAntillesWhat in the world is Nokia using for theirs? <_<07:59
rm_you*I DONT NOW*07:59
rm_yous/NOW/KNOW/08:00
infobotrm_you meant: *I DONT KNOW*08:00
GeneralAntillesHaha08:00
GeneralAntillesWell, the next step towards the perfect applet is to put a volume slider in there.08:00
GeneralAntillesThink you could manage that?08:00
rm_you??08:00
rm_youso you can do both at once?08:00
pupnikgod i want sound blaster emulation running on the DSP so badly08:00
rm_youyeah... that would be easy as cake >_>08:00
GeneralAntillesDo it.08:00
pupnikand i can't do a damn thing about it08:00
rm_youwhy? >_>08:00
rm_youso you can cut down on applets?08:00
GeneralAntillesJust need to split the icon so it shows both.08:00
rm_youi guess i could08:00
GeneralAntillesYessir.08:00
rm_yousec08:00
pupnikit would massively speed up all emulators and game engines that use the sound blaster - dosbox, freesci come to mind08:01
pupnikalso scummvm08:01
pupnikmaybe i can get some profiling done this weekend08:01
pupnikright now dosbox CROAKS when enabling SB16 emulation08:02
pupnik1600+ cycles without sb, 400 cycles with08:02
GeneralAntillesHehe, where's our emu genius, pupnik?08:02
pupnikWE DON'T HAVE ONE08:02
pupnikanyway back to work on Exult here.  Segfault hunting08:03
pupnikoh and exult could use SB on DSP also08:04
pupnikI should make a list08:04
pupnikbtw just tested some more dosbox apps.  Wing commander could eventually be playable (with SB on DSP)08:05
pupnikand Ultima Underworld 1 and 2 could be playable (with SB on DSP)08:05
GeneralAntillesWhere do we send the bribe money, pupnik?08:05
rm_yousonofabitch08:06
Tama^2say that I can have a license for codecomposer08:06
Tama^2and the software of course08:06
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Tama^2is that enough to get DSP taks compiled and uploaded to the DSP (using the gateway)08:07
Tama^2?08:07
GeneralAntillesWhat's TI charging for a dev kit?08:07
Tama^2a lot but I work for a company that manufactures DSP based audio cards ;)08:07
Tama^2and they use code composer...08:08
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fysaI have $50 toward an N810 for an emulator genius.08:08
GeneralAntillesTI is retarded.08:08
GeneralAntillesYou make the dev stuff free and increase the value of your hardware by huge amounts.08:08
GeneralAntillesWhen are the dinosaurs gonna die so we can have awesome technology?08:09
Tama^2pupnik: is that enough to get DSP taks compiled and uploaded to the DSP (using the gateway)08:10
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fysahow do I add debian packages to my scratchbox again?08:12
fysaor was that just for source?08:12
pupnik_source?08:12
pupnik_you might be able to run some armel binaries, dunno08:12
fysamaybe I'm dreaming.08:12
fysacompiling things like automake is silly.08:12
pupnik_i had to compile a ton of basic tools over the past year08:13
pupnik_luckily chinook sdk seems to have more current ones08:13
rm_youanyone know offhand how i want to go about getting/setting gconf values in C?08:14
fysamaemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0?08:14
rm_youa link to an API or something would be super excellent08:14
pupnik_fysa: you can get automake1.7-1.9 in chinook08:14
pupnik_just apt-get install it08:14
fysaaha, yes, thank you.08:14
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pupnik_deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free08:15
pupnik_you can also add stuff like that to /etc/apt/sources.list08:15
fysadoh08:15
fysaconfigure.ac:22: require Automake 1.9.6, but have 1.9.508:15
pupnik_i think you edit aclocal.m4 to reduce that number08:16
pupnik_not sure08:17
fysaftp://ftp.twaren.net/Unix/Sourceware/automake/automake-1.10.tar.gz08:17
fysayes, debian source is a good idea.08:17
fysathen you can steal from their debian/ ;)08:17
pupnik_rm_you: see http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html08:18
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pupnikrm_you: did you get the link?08:26
rm_youyeah08:26
rm_youthanks :)08:26
rm_youwill have to read later08:26
rm_youi want to sleep tonight, and i have a paper to write :/08:26
pupniknp.  didn't know if it made it before i disconnected08:26
pupnikok cheers08:26
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|tbb|morning all09:15
pupnikhuhu09:17
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Blafaselmoin09:18
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solmumahamorning09:19
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n0ob_good morning09:25
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proteousinstalling win2k on a raid 5 array of 7 disks with a hardware raid controler takes like 1 minute :)09:44
proteousformating an 8 gig partition with NTFS takes like 15 seconds09:45
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hachiARRGHHHHH09:47
hachimy 810 just rebooted on its own09:48
proteousit's like magic!!09:48
hachisomething is seriously wrong with this platform09:48
proteous:/09:48
hachiI'm sitting 5 feet from it, can't have been any action on my part09:48
GeneralAntillesOne of the watchdog's watched things crashed.09:48
GeneralAntilleshachi, you might consider flashing and restarting with Claws mail.09:50
GeneralAntillesModest is awesome, but it's not 100% and some of the bugs bug some people a lot.09:51
hachiI tried claws and the interface was awful09:51
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proteoususe ssh and mutt09:53
GeneralAntillesHehe09:53
n0ob_proteous: hehe09:53
GeneralAntillesThat'd work.09:53
proteousthat's what I do09:53
proteousa screen session with mutt and irssi running in it on a remote server09:54
proteouscan connect from anywhere I can get a ssh connection09:54
proteouscheck my email and chat09:54
GeneralAntillesIsn't screen the best?09:54
proteousyeah09:54
hachiI bought it for the purpose of having something that could blink at me when I needed to care09:55
proteousexcept when you do something screwy and get a screen inside screen thing going and the universe implodes09:55
scibotAnyone figured out how to do pixel doubling with pygame yet?09:55
GeneralAntilleshachi, goodnews is that it'll only be another month or two for the next firmware update and Modest will probably come out of beta then.09:55
hachiwhat was the point of the 700 series of this device though?09:56
proteousdon't diss my 77009:56
GeneralAntillesThe 770 was awesome.09:56
scibotPrototype.09:56
GeneralAntillesStill is awesome.09:56
proteousat least not until I get my 81909:56
proteouser, 81009:56
GeneralAntillesHeck, for all it's troubles, OS2005 was incredibly groundbreaking.09:56
hachiI'm sure it is, but what software did you use?09:56
GeneralAntillesMost of the same software you use now.09:56
scibotYAY FLASHBLOCK!09:56
GeneralAntillesJust in earlier version.09:56
GeneralAntilless/version/versions/09:56
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Just in earlier versions.09:57
hachithe email client uses up 100% cpu all the time, the IM client can't connect09:57
proteousthe browser is more stable then yours!09:57
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GeneralAntillesBull, proteous. :P09:57
proteousI just use the browser and xterm for ssh09:57
proteousand the audioplayer09:57
GeneralAntillesI'd still say the 770 makes the world's best ebook reader.09:57
GeneralAntillesFantastic media remote.09:57
proteouswith ssh I get email and IM+IRC09:57
solmumahaand a great navigator09:57
GeneralAntilleshachi, the IM client CAN connect.09:58
GeneralAntillesA lot of people are using it just fine.09:58
GeneralAntillesand e-mail using 100% is new to me.09:58
hachiI'm just sad because I bought this because openmoko wasn't ready09:59
proteousI've never opened the email or IM client on my 77009:59
hachinokia marketed it as though it would work better09:59
proteousheh09:59
GeneralAntillesand it does for a lot of people.10:00
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proteousthe only reason I lust after a 810 is for the keyboard10:00
GeneralAntillesYou've evidently entered an edge-case where problems crop up, though.10:00
n0ob_hey folks: what is a "nokia av connector 3,5mm"? does this prevent using standard headphones?10:01
GeneralAntillesproteous, the N8x0s are so stupidly faster than the 770.10:01
hachiwhat items are watchdoged?10:01
proteousI don't really have any speed problems10:01
GeneralAntillesNo, n0ob_.10:01
proteousalthough I can't complain about that10:01
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GeneralAntillesIt's a standard 3-channel 3.5mm jack found on 1000s of devices.10:01
proteouser, I wouldn't complain if I got more speed10:01
n0ob_GeneralAntilles: thx10:01
GeneralAntillesYou'll complain about the 770's speed when you get an N810. :P10:02
proteouslol10:02
solmumahain most cases at least10:02
inzhachi, have you ever seen a company market it's product as unfinished and buggy?10:02
inzhachi, except FIC with Neo, of course, but they're not marketing to the great public10:03
hachiI have one of those10:03
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hachiI'm glad it was a gift, didn't have to buy it10:03
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hachiokay then... if I'm gonna give claws a shot... I'm trying to find a way to unsubscribe from all the folders except inbox10:25
hachiit seems to subscribe to all by default10:25
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KhertanHi !10:36
KhertanIs there a way to see/scan all available wifi AP in python ?10:37
solmumahalibconic?10:42
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solmumahathe lib itself was broken in ruby when i tried it, but the scanning worked fine10:47
b0unc3good morning10:51
JaffaMorning, all10:52
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_collin_re10:54
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Khertansolmumaha > it s seems there is now libconic binding for python ... not ready yet10:57
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Khertanhum ... in fact it s seems avalaible : python-conics11:00
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* Jaffa sees on p.m.o that mdk's left Nokia. Doh11:02
kennyyu_hi there, I've read this page (http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/ideintegration.html#AEN76) but aren't sure if I can start a debugger session (DDD) for debugging mozilla firefox-bin... actally, is it possible?11:03
kennyyu_Or it would be grateful to let me know if there's anyone who's tried this before :)11:04
kennyyu_thanks11:04
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hrwmorning11:14
Khertansolmumaha > i get a strange error : connection !=NULL failed in file dbus-connection.c line 515411:15
Khertanmorning hrw11:15
solmumahaKhertan: sry, not a python person so i can't help you there11:17
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Khertansolmumaha > no prob11:17
maddlermorning all11:21
solmumahaKhertan: can you think of an app written with python that uses it?11:21
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jkuKhertan, conic doesn't have api for getting list  of all APs, IIRC11:29
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solmumahaoh11:31
jkucon_ic_connection_get_all_iaps() only lists configured ones despite the name11:31
jkuagain, _if_ I recall correctly11:31
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solmumahais hcitool included on default?11:33
solmumahaah, sry11:33
solmumahabluetooth thing11:33
solmumahaany console app for scanning?11:33
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johnxyou could compile hcitool in scratchbox without too much work...11:34
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jkusolmumaha you can use dbus (there's a python script somewhere in the internet)11:36
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_collin_solmumaha: nop it is not11:53
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_collin_solmumaha: if you wait until the weekend ... there will be something11:54
_collin_I had a package for bluez-utils11:54
_collin_but it broke the rest of the bluetooth stuff11:54
_collin_so now I'm going to make a package with just the missing binaries11:54
BlafaselNice.. Support for the bluetooth scanner package of yours? ;)11:55
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_collin_yes11:55
_collin_also for my keyboard11:55
_collin_it needs to reconfigure the bluetooth device type so it looks like a keyboard when a PC is scanning11:55
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hahlois /media/mmc2 inner sd card?11:56
GeneralAntillesYes.11:58
hahlothanks11:59
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hahlogot bigger card inside, i do partitions for that12:00
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hahloomg i boot os2008 and got five big ? question marks on the screen12:10
pupnikwow12:11
solmumahascreenshot?12:11
hahlothey weren't in last boot12:11
hahlosolmumaha: how I get one?12:12
hahlomust be cause this pid cx3110x12:15
solmumahainstall the load-applet12:16
hahlook12:16
hahlodevice did reboot12:16
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pupnikhttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=907&d=1201681972   lftp ftp client for Chinook12:18
pupnikwb johnx12:19
johnxhi12:20
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pupnikwb ssvb :)12:21
* pupnik feels like a receptionist12:21
ssvbpupnik: hi :)12:21
johnxeh, that's ok...I feel like a factoid bot sometimes12:22
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hahloumount /media/mmc2 said Device or resource busy12:22
pupnikssvb, is there a double-buffering 400x240 sdl in our future?12:22
johnxtry stopping metalayer crawler12:22
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* pupnik wants to get faster sdl without figuring out all the stuff ssvb has done12:23
hahlojohnx: didn't help12:24
ssvbpupnik: theoretically it should be possible, but in practice it may require hacking kernel, xserver and libsdl (all of this stuff is part of the standard firmware)12:24
johnxhahlo, interesting12:24
hahlokillall metalayer-crawl12:25
solmumahadid it actually die?12:25
ssvbpupnik: ensuring compatibility with all the firmware versions may be not so easy12:25
johnxyeah I usually use its script under init.d12:25
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hahlosolmumaha: no it didn't12:25
pupnikssvb, ok so the compatible way is to use xsp with sdl updaterect?12:25
pupnikthings are basically ok as long as blits are 400x240, even with current sdl12:26
ssvbpupnik: yes, probably that's thme most compatible method right now (if xsp support will not be dropped), though it has many limitations12:28
ssvbpupnik: one more option is to hack xserver and add RGB support to Xv, this way it will be possible to use arbitrary scaling and tearsync12:29
hahloseems unkillable this metalayer, what is it anyway?12:29
pupnikit crawls the filesystem to find media files, i think12:29
ssvbpupnik: but this will work only for N800/N81012:29
johnxhahlo, did you try it's init script?12:30
pupnikssvb, should i be disabling xsp doubling after every updaterect?12:30
hahloi try that12:30
ssvbpupnik: I don't know, I stopped using xsp long ago :)12:31
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hahlothat helped12:31
pupnikoki.  i will try to study mplayer sometime.  thanks for the pioneering work!12:31
hahlometalayer stopped but device still busy12:32
hahloumount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy12:32
pupniklsof |grep mmc12:33
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hahlodon't see mmc2 at all only mmc1 and mmc012:34
pupnikargh this distortion on N810 is k i l l i n g my ears12:35
pupniksorry hahlo, then i don't know12:36
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hahlook i got mmc2 anyway /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc212:36
johnxhahlo, just turn the tablet off, and pull the card12:37
hahlocan I do partions in pc?12:38
johnxunder windows?12:38
hahlono12:38
johnxlinux with card reader? yeah12:38
hahlodebian gnu linux, ok12:38
johnxyeah12:38
johnxand you can use something better than sfdisk too12:38
johnxuse cfdisk or gparted12:39
* johnx hates sfdisk12:39
hahlocard got small swap can i keep that in it?12:39
hahlo128mb swap partition in 2gb kingston12:40
johnxyeah, sure12:40
hahlook12:40
johnxjust don't swap to any card that you don't have a good warranty on :P12:41
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hahlojohnx: how big fat partition needed?12:45
hahlothat 480mb?12:45
johnxI don't know12:45
johnxfor debian?12:45
hahloyes12:45
johnxor what?12:45
hahloyour system12:45
johnxit doesn't need a FAT partition at all12:45
johnxit needs an ext2 partition12:46
johnxor ext312:46
hahloonly one?12:46
johnxif you only want Debian it just needs one Ext2/3 partition12:46
johnxif you want to boot Debian and OS2008 off of SD then you need one partition for each12:46
johnxI just have my 2GB card as one ext3 partition12:47
hahloso i make just one partition with fdisk12:47
johnxyes, you only need one partition12:48
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lardmanmorning all12:49
johnx'mornin12:49
X-FadeMorning.12:49
pupniktest your SD card speed:  http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=788&d=120012410412:52
hrwpupnik: its no test12:55
pupniki suppose so12:55
hrwpupnik: on tablets SD speed depends on CPU speed12:55
pupniki get varying results12:55
hrwyou need first to change cpufreq governor to 'performance' one, do test, switch back to 'ondeman'12:55
hrwotherwise it is useless test12:56
hrwand use hdparm instead of dd ;)12:56
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pupnikcat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor13:00
pupnikperformance13:00
pupnikcat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor13:00
pupnikperformance13:00
pupnikoop13:00
pupniki will change script13:00
pupnikbut i think cpu scaler might go to 400mhz with this dd anyway13:02
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pupnikwill compare between performance and ondemand13:02
lardmanhrw: why does bitbake only produce debs of some files?13:08
hrwlardman: use "-cbuildall"13:08
lardmanAre they only the ones I've bitbaked directly?13:08
hrwlardman: yes - its due to fact that package tasks are not dependents of other tasks13:08
lardmanok13:08
hahlojohnx: how i untar xvjf or should i stick p too?13:09
lardmanOctave appears broken, doesn't symlink its libraries from /usr/lib/octave-3.0.0/ to /usr/lib/, but this might be a postinst script failure I suppose13:09
johnxhahlo, what does p do?13:09
johnxah13:10
johnxdoesn't matter if you're root13:10
hahlook13:10
pupnikdoes SD get slower as it fills up?13:12
hrwpupnik: should not13:12
pupnikcan i force slow cpu with any of these scalers? conservative ondemand null powersave performance13:13
lardmanconservative13:13
lardmanor powersave13:14
pupnikk13:14
lardmantry a google for the difference, I can't remember it atm13:14
johnxpupnik, the sd card itself won't get slower, but certain filesystems will get slower when close to full. I know at least reiserfs will slow down a lot over 90% full13:14
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pupnikhah got my fastest read times on powersave13:16
lardmanthe cpu is probably not the limiting factor in any case13:17
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pupnikooh most of them are slower now13:24
pupniklardman: did you post your work on DSP ogg anywhere for others to see/download?13:25
pupnikor what's up with that... got boring/frustrating?13:26
lardmanpupnik: garage project13:27
lardmanhttps://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/dsp-tremor-devel/2008-January/000000.html13:28
pupnikoki!13:28
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pupnikmaybe Idnt could put someone on this!13:29
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LynoureI'm a newbie when it comes to using N800 with a phone. Any trouble I should be expecting with Motorola RAZR V3xx? Couldn't find anything with Google.13:35
inzjku, compiling gammu is the easy part, compiling cmake took ages13:36
jkuinz, ouch13:36
inzjku, I guess I'll dput cmake too, so I don't lose it ;)13:37
ssvblardman: I wonder if the next firmware will allow running DSP tasks at 133MHz keeping ARM core at 400MHz13:37
GeneralAntillesLynoure, search ITT.13:37
ssvblardman: otherwise using DSP does not look very attractive from the practical point of view13:38
ssvblardman: In any case, if I get it right,no matter if 400/133 or 330/220 mode is used, OMAP is running at the highest possible voltage which makes it not very good for the battery13:39
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LynoureGeneralAntilles: Did not, could not find anything on any RAZR13:41
LynoureGeneralAntilles: I guess it means more good than bad...13:41
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GeneralAntillesEr, nothing? http://tinyurl.com/yvojgg13:42
johnxLynoure, if you search for v3xx on internettablettalk.com/forums and select "show posts" you'll find the settings you need and even a speed report13:42
GeneralAntillesjohnx, second go on Debian.13:44
johnxdid you find anything wrong with that card?13:45
GeneralAntillesNope13:45
johnxweird13:45
johnxbut not the weirdest thing I've seen with SD cards ... not by a long shot13:46
lardmanssvb: Igor was talking about releasing the steps to alter the multipliers wasn't he?13:46
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lardmanssvb: or just be removing the kernel switch you mean?13:46
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Lynourejohnx: thanks13:47
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* lardman needs caffeine13:50
Lynourejohnx: found it. Looks like a particularly tricky phone.13:50
johnxmmmm...caffeine13:50
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hahlowhy it doesn't work  tar xvjf debian-armel-n800-beta2.tar.bz213:53
johnxit doesn't?13:53
johnxwhat happens?13:53
hahlotar: invalid option13:54
hahloUsage: tar -[czxtvO] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)]13:54
johnxaaah13:54
johnxon the tablet13:54
_berto_anyone using OS2006 or OS2007 here ?13:54
johnxhmm13:54
inzhahlo, your tar doesn't support j13:54
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=863113:54
GeneralAntillesGrab the tar there.13:54
GeneralAntillesStick it in /home/user/bin/tar or summuch13:54
inzhahlo, use bzip2 -dc <package| | tar xv13:55
johnxyeah, or untar it on a destkop machine with a card reader13:55
johnxguess I should add something to the FAQ...13:55
hahlook first linux where tar didn't work13:55
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johnxyeah, that's busybox...13:56
GeneralAntillesHehe13:56
inzhahlo, tar does work, it just doesn't support j, which is a gnu tar addition13:56
GeneralAntillesDamned busybox.13:56
inzDon't blame busybox, blame GNU for bloating everything13:56
GeneralAntillesHow about we blame both?13:56
GeneralAntillesand toss Apple and Microsoft in there for fun.13:57
inzGeneral, busybox is good in what it does, I don't comment on whether it was a wise choice on maemo though13:57
johnxit probably was a good choice13:57
johnxI'd be willing to bet it saves a good chunk of disk space and lots of RAM13:57
inzjku, gammu 0.18.0-1mh1 in maemo-hackers bora now13:57
johnxhowever, I don't have to pretend it's my preferred hacking environment...13:58
inzjohnx, disk space, probably, RAM, that I wouldn't be so sure13:58
johnxyeah, I guess RAM savings will probably be more a result of shell choice13:59
inzI would guess dash would do about as good ram consumption wise13:59
johnxI should probably get Debian using that by default...14:00
inzUbuntu already does ;)14:00
GeneralAntillesIt's booting, I think, johnx. :D14:00
inzAnd many people have complained because it breaks their _bash_ scripts that pretend to be sh scripts14:00
lardmanssvb: since when were you interested in power saving anyway, just extracing the most performance :)14:00
johnxGeneralAntilles, woo!14:00
johnxinz, but makes up for the RAM savings of dash by adding it 10 hojillion other things14:01
JaffaBusybox can be compiled with 'j' support for tar, IIRC14:01
inz# CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_BZIP2 is not set14:02
inzFrom maemo busybox's config file14:02
inzjku, actually the gammu packages are also in chinook now, I hope they work ;)14:03
Jaffainz: so, we can blame Nokia :-)14:03
GeneralAntillesHow long should this take, johnx. <_>14:03
inzJaffa, no, blame GNU14:04
johnxhmm...probably not this long14:04
johnxgive it another minute or two14:04
johnxI really hope this worked for *someone*14:04
GeneralAntillesHaha14:04
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johnxGeneralAntilles, at least usb networking should have come up14:06
johnxyou can try that easily enough14:06
duluuhello all14:06
johnxhi14:06
duluua week ago I bought N810 from amazon.com14:06
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duluuand having problem with wireless connection14:07
duluuthrough DHCP it acquired IP address, but no nameserver14:07
jkuinz, ok thanks. I'll check during weekend14:08
duluuhow I can become root? and change /etc/resolv.conf14:08
inzduluu, maemo uses dnsmasq, /etc/resolv.conf should point to 127.0.0.114:10
inzduluu, or ITOS, that is14:10
lardmanduluu: you can enable r&d mode14:11
duluuyep, it's pointing to 127.0.0.114:11
jkuduluu, several ways (see maemo wiki). I ijust install ssh and xterm, then ssh root@localhost14:11
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jkubut you should fix your dhcp instead...14:12
GeneralAntillesOooooooh14:12
GeneralAntillesThere it goes14:12
inzduluu, /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 should have the right values14:12
GeneralAntillesTaaaastyyyyyyy14:12
duluutnx, it's working now14:12
GeneralAntillesThat's too cool.14:12
jkyrohi, anybody know how to find out the bluetooth name programmatically?14:12
jkyroin OS200814:13
jkyro2007 used to have a gconf key for it but no more :(14:13
jkujkyro, what exactly do you want?14:13
jkyroto find out the name that is used as the bluetooth name of the device14:13
jkubluez dbus api14:15
jkyroah, OK14:15
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jkyrothanks14:15
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Jaffajkyro: there used to be a file in /etc too14:17
hugolpis there any way to block the screen?14:17
hugolpIve taken the N800 out as a mp3 and when I put it on the pocket and walk a little is a big party14:17
GeneralAntillesLock touchscreen and keys?14:17
hugolpGeneralAntilles:  I think that locking the touchscreen would be enough14:18
hugolpis there any way?14:18
Jaffahugolp: default configuration has short press of power button + middle of d-pad14:19
_berto_anyone wanting to help me test the upcoming Vagalume 0.5 on the 770 or N800 (OS2007) ?14:20
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solmumaha_berto_: sure14:21
_berto_:)14:21
_berto_http://people.igalia.com/berto/files/tmp/14:21
_berto_thanks14:21
_berto_you had a 770, right?14:21
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_berto_I tested in the SDK and it seems to work14:22
solmumahawith 2006 and another with hacker/200714:22
pupnik810any streams to reccomend?14:22
_berto_if nothing strange happens I'll probably release 0.5 today14:22
solmumahak, but my tests have to wait, still at work14:22
pupnik810streamtuner is a pretty killer app14:23
_berto_ok, I'm going for lunch now14:23
_berto_so don't worry14:23
_berto_:)14:23
pupnik810hehe14:23
hugolpJaffa:  whats the default lock code?14:24
johnxhave you tried 12345 ?14:25
* Jaffa has never PIN-locked his devices14:25
hugolpIve tried 123414:25
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Jaffa(well, maemo devices)14:25
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hugolpjohnx:  yeah, that worked14:26
johnx:)14:26
johnxinfobot, I do your job better than you14:26
infobotYou do your job better than you?14:26
inzomg, recursion14:26
johnxI think it's mocking me...14:26
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inzHow so, if you're reursively better at your job than you are, aren't you something like infinitely good at your job?14:27
hugolpyeah, your something like god14:27
inz(well, turning it around, you're recursively worse at your job than you are, but you can ignore that)14:27
johnxinfobot, the defaultlockcode is 1234514:28
infobotokay, johnx14:28
ssvblardman: I'm interested in both performance and power efficiency (it is better if you are able to watch a full length movie on a single battery charge) :)14:28
GeneralAntillesCrap, johnx, do I really need to apt-get bluetooth to start off?14:29
GeneralAntillesThis particular onscreen vkb is painful.14:29
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johnxbluetooth is included14:29
johnxI have no idea how if pairing will help you though...14:29
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johnxGeneralAntilles, I have no idea what's up with the keymap in X :(14:31
GeneralAntillesOK, so humor the nooblette, my network is WPA2 AES14:34
solmumaha_berto_: what's new btw?14:34
GeneralAntillesHow do I need to setup the network config?14:34
johnxin /etc/network/interfaces uncomment the block about wlan0 and put the right values in for ssid and psk14:35
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johnxbe sure you put your "pass phrase" in quotes14:35
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_berto_solmumaha: in short: a statusbar plugin (for OS2008), a download window, new buttons and UI improvements, and some fixes14:35
_berto_I have to leave now, see you later14:35
GeneralAntillesCrap, vkb is all weird in vi. <_<14:36
johnxlame :/14:37
johnxI would do usb networking instead to edit stuff, etc14:37
GeneralAntillesYeah, but then I'd have to install a USBNet driver over here14:38
GeneralAntillesand I don't feel like rebooting.14:38
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johnxit emulates a really standard USB ethernet controller14:38
johnxI would hope to god any modern OS has had that driver since 200214:38
GeneralAntillesYeah, so would I.14:39
lardmanssvb: true :)14:39
GeneralAntillesBut we're talking about Leopard here. I have IP over Firewire. :P14:39
GeneralAntillesI actually may have USBNet14:39
GeneralAntillesNope, guess not.14:39
GeneralAntillesQuote ssid, too?14:40
johnxI don't think it hurts14:40
johnxand you probably only need to quote your passphrase if it has spaces14:41
GeneralAntillesOK, all edited14:41
GeneralAntillesAnything I need to do, or r i connected?14:41
johnxifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan014:41
GeneralAntillesOops . . . that SSID is 250 miles south.14:44
GeneralAntillesSweet14:46
johnxwin?14:46
GeneralAntillesI like how the URL history dropdown pulls focus from the vkb14:46
GeneralAntillesYes, win.14:46
johnxdo you like your temporary MAC address?14:47
GeneralAntillesHehe14:47
GeneralAntillesFun stuff14:47
GeneralAntillesI'm more of a tea guy myself, though.14:47
johnxseriously though...that's not my doing14:47
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johnxthe MAC address must be set by wlancond or something else14:48
johnxyou can make it anything you want...14:48
GeneralAntillesuser have a default pass?14:48
johnxread the Wiki :P14:48
GeneralAntillesNever!14:48
johnxI think it's password, but the account is locked14:48
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GnutoN810hi14:48
johnxGeneralAntilles, as root: passwd -u user ; passwd user14:49
johnxhi GnutoN81014:49
GnutoN810johnx: hey :)14:50
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GeneralAntillesapt-get install x11vnc and done makes me happy. :314:51
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oilGeneralAntilles: x11vnc is the client to connect to server or the other way around?14:56
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GeneralAntillesTo provide a server on the device.14:56
K-Foxhi14:56
* GeneralAntilles is in Debian on his N800.14:56
K-Foxi did buy n800 ,today14:56
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K-Foxsetting, i find out some problem14:57
oilGeneralAntilles: aah. not available for default os I suppose14:57
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K-Foxoperator setup select country <---- of list , my country have no (korea)14:58
K-Foxbluetooth14:58
oilI admire johnx work with debian, but then again I'm afraid that there will be less work for default OS when all the gurus start working with debian :-o14:59
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K-Foxsetting bluetooth,operator setup select country <---- of list , my country have no (korea)15:00
K-Foxi dont know at all15:00
GeneralAntillesoil, http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia770215:00
oilGeneralAntilles: thanks. I'll try that one15:00
Takoil: ...but then we'd all have access to an extremely well-maintained and regularly-updated OS...15:01
GeneralAntillesK-Fox, if you know your operator settings, you can either just put bogus info into the wizard or bypass it completely.15:01
K-Foxok15:01
GeneralAntillesNokia's Asian support is pretty much non-existant.15:02
K-Foxreally?15:03
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GeneralAntillesPretty much15:03
GeneralAntillesI'm fairly certain they don't officially sell the devices anywhere over there.15:03
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oiltak: true, but what makes it risky business is that: then there will be less support and less developers for maemo. -> less things for normal users -> the device is less attractive -> Less sales -> ?15:04
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Takdebian and maemo are not mutually exclusive15:05
Take.g., regardless of the underlying OS, I personally would still run matchbox and hildon apps, because they're better suited to the device15:06
oilI guess in every business we need the masses to buy devices so that the development can continue15:06
Takbesides, 90% of the third-party software "for maemo" began as generic linux software15:07
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oiltak: yes. and that should continue as well.15:08
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|tbb|who has run usbnet ever with the tablet15:09
johnxoil, Maemo/hildon exists in Debian. What I want is for apps written for one to work on *both&15:09
* johnx wanders away again15:10
zaheermhave people tried this: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/01/usb-otg-easy-way.html i assume it uses the cable nokia provide with the n810 right?15:10
suihkulokkiMicrosoft Offers $44.6 Billion for Yahoo15:13
* suihkulokki blinks15:13
Lynourezaheerm: seems to use mini-usb - usb cable, yes, Nokia's or some other's15:13
zaheermmicro usb, no ... looks like an n810 in picture15:14
Tak"After the failure of MSN Live! search, and having been repeatedly rebuffed by Google, Microsoft begins buying random search-related companies..."15:14
Lynourezaheerm: oh, it's called micro?15:14
zaheermn800's slot is mini usb15:15
Lynoureanyway, you probably got the point :)15:15
suihkulokkimini-usb was such a huge connector they had to make a smaller15:15
Lynoureany cable that fits between the N8x0 and the plain F to F usb :)15:16
glassmicrousb takes almost the same space on devices15:16
glassso it's rather pointless... yet on some phones it's the only way to charge15:16
suihkulokkiit's *thinner*, and people drool on thin things15:17
Lynouresuihkulokki: thinner is the new bigger =)15:17
zaheermlike microsd instead of minisd :)15:17
solmumahayahoo deal sounds bad for freebsd15:17
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glasssuihkulokki: like nokias smaller charger plug15:18
zaheermnokia's new devices seem to be charged by microusb instead of the smaller charger plug15:18
glasson most, if not on all, phones that it's on theres space for the bigger15:18
glassnot all devices15:18
glassjust the thin15:18
glassand nobody has microusb15:18
glasshave to bring your own full charger everywhere...15:19
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JaffaWoohoo, using minicom I've connected to my phone over Bluetooth from my N810. A quick AT command like the following then gives me cell info: AT+CREG?15:23
glassup to the phone15:23
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X-FadeWow, Intel released it's complete specification documentation for Intel 965 graphics card. Now if we only got TI to do the same ;)15:40
X-FadeThe docs are even CC-attribution licensed :)15:40
GeneralAntillesHa15:41
GeneralAntillesOpen Letter time!15:41
Takkiller15:41
TakX-Fade: you have a link?15:41
X-Fadehttp://www.x.org/docs/intel/15:41
X-FadeIncluding 3D..15:41
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Taknice, thank you15:44
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X-FadeI have that card in my laptop, so I hope a lot of goodies come from that release ;)15:44
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hahlohmm seems to boot only flash says boot flash15:51
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Karlo Best girls in the world - http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?113965544015:56
Jaffalardman|away: ping15:56
X-FadeGreat, another spammer..15:56
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X-FadeAh ;) K-lined...15:57
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cizarroX-Fade, better than K-Fedded.15:58
X-Fadeheh.15:59
pupniki wish i could fork() myself16:00
Takpupnik: you can; you just need a partner16:01
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pupnik:)16:01
X-FadeTak: That has a big lag of about 16 years..16:02
jkuyeah, and they say forking is not that expensive... well, that one is16:03
hahlonow i found menu key, now boots from card i think16:04
TakX-Fade: yeah, we could stand to do some optimization on that16:05
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hahlojohnx: doesn't seem to like boot from card just say failed but in chroot /media/mmc2 /bin/sh seems to work16:23
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ywwgI'm having trouble connecting to a WPA accesspoint with my new n810.  I was able to connect at home fine, but at work it says it's not getting an ip address.  Is there a way I can try to connect through the terminal so I can see what's going on?16:26
pupnikis there a possibility to record output of the ITOS multimedia sound architecture to test for overflow / distortion in waveform?16:26
pupnikmaybe 'dmesg' in terminal ywwg16:26
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ywwgpupnik: nothing helpful there unfortunately16:29
ywwgif I didn't know better I'd say I have the wrong wifi password, but I know it's right16:29
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WSWhello16:31
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Nermallo wsw16:33
WSWhi16:33
WSWnermal16:33
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BlizzyHellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today?16:34
WSWhi16:34
WSWhow are you16:35
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Takhmm, the fbi figured out how to use tor16:36
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ywwglooks like it's just a dhcp issue, if I specify an ip it works16:45
darkipprobably your router then?16:46
darkipmaybe it's set to only assign a certain amount of ip addresses16:46
darkipor has mac filtering on?16:46
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ywwgdarkip: Unfortunately we hired a new bunch of people to admin our linux server, so it's a black box no16:52
ywwgnow16:52
michelehello16:52
ywwgbut hopefully they'll help me look at the logs or something16:52
ywwgI have a sense that the n810 is just timing out, my laptop takes 30-40 seconds to get an IP and the n810 gives up sooner than that16:52
michelewho wants to try a greasemonkey script to make ITT forum slightly more bearable on the tablet?16:52
Takhave you tried the "classic" theme?16:53
micheleyes16:53
michelethe script modifies that16:53
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micheleless margins, bigger fonts and especially bigger change page buttons16:54
michelehttp://micampe.it/m/ittforum.user.js16:54
Takoh, haha16:55
TakI thought you were asking if anybody wanted to try his hand at writing one...16:55
_berto_i'm back16:55
michelenomis, I got fed up with those tiny unclickable numbers16:56
micheles/nomis/no16:56
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pupnikrequest arm assembler guru to optimize fmopl.c17:00
pupnikhttp://mamedev.org/source/src/emu/sound/fmopl.c17:00
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fysahow is bochs?17:07
fysahttp://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gnuab/debian/pool-armel/main/b/bochs/bochs_2.3.6-2_armel.deb17:08
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fysait emulates SB1617:08
suihkulokkibochs is sloooow17:09
fysabut if the SB16 emulation is better, that's what we need, right?17:10
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fysahttp://bochs.sourceforge.net/doc/docbook/development/sb16-emulation-basics.html17:14
_collin_pupnik: most stuff doesn't need asm optimization since compilers are really good17:14
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pupnikyah17:16
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solmumaha_berto_: seem to just fine17:17
solmumahawork17:17
dphil9000I wonder if it's worth it to install bash17:17
solmumahabora works on hacker17:18
_berto_great!17:19
_berto_:)17:19
_berto_have you tested in 2007he or 2006 ?17:19
solmumahaboth17:20
solmumahagregale on 200617:20
_berto_great, thanks17:20
_berto_:)17:20
_berto_good to know that17:20
_berto_if you have any quick suggestion it could go into the final release17:20
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_berto_(we have a couple of hours)17:21
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solmumahastop and close connection after some time period? :)17:22
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_berto_uh, we don't have the time for that now :)17:24
_berto_but maybe for the next version ...17:24
solmumahak17:25
solmumahamy name first in credits?17:26
solmumahathat's quick17:26
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_berto_lol17:27
_berto_:)17:27
_berto_well, you're right actually, you've helped a lot testing it in OS200617:28
solmumahanono17:28
_berto_so if you give me your name you'll appear in the THANKS file17:28
solmumahait's nothing17:28
_berto_;)17:28
solmumaha /whois17:28
solmumahabut no need17:29
_berto_it's just the THANKS file  :)17:29
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pupnikok i did find some code in dosbox that makes heavy use of trig17:30
pupnikis there a place where i can read how to link-in the vfp libm?17:30
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Takpupnik:  -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp  ‽17:33
dphil9000Apparently I have several IP's17:33
Takor do I misunderstand the question?17:33
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JaffaAnyone got a dosbox image with Win 3.1 (or, I suppose, 95/98) with appropriate configs for an N810?17:37
* Jaffa fancies seeing it, but can't be bothered with finding an install and going through the palaver.17:38
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pupniktak yes i want to use those cflags but i heard that for trig functions, a special libm was required17:46
Takyou'd have to build (or acquire) a libm built with those flags17:47
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jga23has anybody been able to pull down their cell phone's address book with bluetooth and PBAP?17:56
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zoranpbap?17:57
jga23phone book access profile17:57
jga23when I do a service search on my phone that comes up17:57
zoranI used bluetooth from 64bit freebsd to nokia 623317:57
jga23its the same profile that bluetooth car kits use, but I want to pull the phone book into my tablet17:58
zorank, the app in fact is obexapp, and I use it with ftrn17:58
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zoranwhatever is on the phone, it is accessible17:59
zoranthe name of app on linux is something different17:59
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Andy80yerga: hi :)18:38
lardmanafternoon all18:39
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pupnikwoo woo got another few percent speed out of dosbox18:40
lardmanwell done18:40
Takhuzzah!18:40
pupnik:)18:41
pupnikit's pretty big actually - testing ...18:41
lardmanWow, N800 seems sooo big after N81018:43
hrw:)18:43
JaffaIs it actually usable for anything apart from old CGA games?18:43
pupniki'm testing with ultima underworld, doom and wing commander18:44
Jaffalardman: Found a reference to supl.nokia.com, the service it provides and more general details about it.18:44
lardmanJaffa: Good news :)18:44
Takpupnik: have you tried one of the linux ports of ultima underworld?18:44
pupniki haven't found any UW ports near usablility18:45
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lardmanJaffa: you have an url?18:45
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lardman.me twiddles thumbs while openssh generates keys18:49
lardmanthat was my hidden side18:49
JaffaNothing massively helpful after another Google: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Assisted_GPS_on_N95 - refers to an H-SPL standard.18:49
Jaffa(sorry 'net connection went down)18:49
lardmannp, looking at the link now18:50
lardmanah yes, I've seen that, no mention of what is sent or received (i.e. thje formats)18:50
JaffaNo. I had a further google on H-SPL and SUPL and got references to Nokia's press release about Secure User Plane Locations but again, no formats.18:51
lardmanah, patents then perhaps18:51
JaffaIndeed18:51
lardmansomething to do once we know it will work, rather than wasting time now methinks18:51
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lardmanhmm, lost my ivorbisidec.cmd file reflashing, pita18:54
pupnik:/18:56
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lardmanhmm, oh well looks like I changed the memory locations so I didn't need one18:59
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lardman_bloody computer19:05
hrw|gonebye19:06
lardman_cu hrw19:06
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pH5hi lardman_, what is the current status of your ivorbisdec.o efforts?19:16
lardman_pH5: segfaulting at the moment, can't remember what I was doing when I stopped work last time19:17
lardman_going to rebuild the arm-side, as that's what's failing19:17
lardman_hmm, looks like I'm getting an error opening the device19:19
lardman_dsp device that is19:19
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lardman_aargh, no messages anywhere19:20
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lardman_serves me right for reflashing my build machine - N80019:21
lardman_test machine even19:21
lardman_hmm, it's failing with "Interrupted system call"19:23
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lardman_When in doubt reboot19:25
lardman_back to the question, the dsp code runs but for some reason does not recognise the vorbis stream as being the real deal19:26
lardman_am tracking down where this occurs19:26
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lardman_it falls over on the 3rd header (I think that's the right one), the one which contains the decoder setup data19:27
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lardman_fine, reboot sorted that out19:29
lardman_now it's running ok19:29
lardman_http://pastebin.ca/887839 is the sort of thing I'm looking at19:30
* lardman_ feels like he's talking to himself, anyone out there?19:30
ph|berhow do you make canola rescan the audio db?19:30
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mgedminopen and close the card cover?19:32
* pH5 was just is listening in awe ;)19:32
pH5s/is//19:32
infobotpH5 meant: hi lardman_, what  the current status of your ivorbisdec.o efforts?19:32
lardman_lol19:32
lardman_ok, so at the end of that pastebin, you see the line: vorbis_book_unpack: Wrong alignment19:33
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lardman_The two lines before output the values of the 2 bytes which are about to be read from the stream, they ==0, the 24bits I want to read should ==0x56434219:34
lardman_so either my bit reading code is broken (though it has worked thus far) or my buffer alloc code is broken (has also worked thus far) or perhaps I've forgotten to cast those outputs to unsigned shorts (the only values I'm allowed to output)19:35
lardman_have just tweaked code to be sure, rebuilt, sft'd new module across, re-run, and same error19:38
lardman_sftp'd19:38
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lardman_supper time, the pub quiz but next time I look at it I need to check the bit reading code19:40
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lardman_all sizes are handled in terms of 8bit bytes, but obviously one needs to convert them to 16bit sizes for the DSP to actually find, so I'm wondering if there's a problem when my buffer starts on an odd byte19:41
pH5lardman_: is this the code that is uploaded on your homepage? the dsp-tremor svn repo is empty.19:42
lardman_there's a tarball19:43
lardman_I need to work out how to create the svn repo19:44
* lardman_ slightly embarrassed at that19:44
lardman_tarball on the garage page that is19:44
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Takit's super-easy - `cd sourcedir; make maintainer-clean; svn import https://garage.maemo.org/svn/projectname/trunk`19:46
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lardman_ok, so I should put everything in "trunk"19:46
pH5ah, ok. I just started turning pcm2.o into C code.19:47
pH5let's see whether we get the decoder working first, or sound output :)19:47
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lardman_pH5: well if you want to persue the pcm2.o code that would be fine, we can quite easily pass across pcm code to test it with19:50
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lardman_pcm data that should have read, am going mad19:52
pupnik:/19:52
Takwell, it's really up to you how you structure it - some people do: projectname/trunk/projectname , etc19:52
pH5lardman_: yes, this way I force myself to get to know the dsp a bit better.19:52
lardman_yeah, I was going to think about it, but really I should stick the code up, especially as I'm making changes again19:52
ssvblardman_: what does sizeof(char) return on DSP?19:54
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pH5I think just putting things directly under trunk is the easiest way for such a small project, unless the arm/gstreamer and dsp parts are supposed to live in separate tarballs19:54
lardman_eventually the arm-side gstreamer stuff will need to be in a separate tarball19:55
pH5hm. there is a DSP_CMD used in pcm2.o that is not yet in the old osso-dsp-headers-0.1. Is there a newer version available somewhere?19:55
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lardman_no, I think there were some missing bits19:56
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ssvblardman_: well, I'll try to confirm the sizeof stuff myself when I get home, the idea is to try simulating the same environment on some kind on normal desktop PC (maybe big endian PPC) and reproduce the problem you have20:04
lardman_ssvb: 120:05
lardman_sorry I missed your question earlier20:06
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lardman_ssvb: but sizeof(short)==1 as well, and short is 16bits20:07
lardman_so is byte for that matter20:07
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ssvblardman_: it does not matter, we could pretend that we just don't have char type at all (replace everything with typedefs)20:08
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lardman_it's annoying for bit reading code though20:08
lardman_as you then need to extend the range of the masks, etc.20:09
lardman_I don;t think it's a major problem to be honest, just a quick tweak should sort this bit out, and then another for the next. It's just time consuming20:09
ssvblardman_: I remember dealing with 4-bit graphics long time ago (half of char), that experience can be probably somewhat useful here20:10
lardman_cool20:10
lardman_let me see if I can track down where the problem is, if it's the bitreading code then the more eyes & ideas the better20:10
lardman_:)20:11
ssvblardman_: it would be probably preferable to have the code which works more or less identical on various platforms (and breaks because of the same problems)20:12
lardman_the majority of the code is unchanged, just these size specific sections20:13
lardman_though in reality lots of it will need to be changed - optimised, for the DSP20:13
ssvblardman_: so changing 'char' -> 'short' (or better some typedef) and sizeof(x) to some kind of SIZEOF(x) macro which whould return 2 for 'char' might be useful, that's just an idea20:14
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lardman_yes, I can see the idea20:15
ssvblardman_: but string functions and all the stuff will still expect sizes in 16-bit chars, so don't know20:15
lardman_perhaps not, they may expect two 8bit values in the char20:15
lardman_I've not looked at how strings are stored on the dsp, I've not needed to20:16
* Jaffa wonders if/when we'll see another OS2008 update20:16
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pH5lardman_: a char is a char on the dsp, so no packing two ascii chars into 16-bit.20:17
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lardman_pH5: fair enough, but if you pass data from the arm-side it will be packed20:18
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lardman_hmm, svn wasn't impressed with my first attempt to upload the source code20:23
lardman_should I create a local repo as in the instructions?: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.tour.importing.html20:23
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kulveI think C spec says that sizeof(char) == 1, always.20:24
lardman_yes indeed20:25
lardman_but I can do: char a=0xffff20:25
kulvesure20:26
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kulvesizeof(char) == 1 byte. The byte can be whatever, depending on the platform20:26
kulvewhatever in bits I mean20:26
|tbb|re20:28
lardman_kulve: exactly20:28
lardman_so reading in x bytes reads in a variable amount of data depending on the platform20:28
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lardman_hmm, svn will have to wait until after the pub quiz20:36
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LateralusHow would I go about getting gdb to load symbols for the desktop process when debugging remotely? Normally I attach to a running process (the desktop process) and everything loads properly. Debugging remotely I use target remote host:port, and it connects but symbols for libs are not loaded.20:37
kulveLateralus: it might find them if you install the symbols to your SB target where you are running the gbd from.20:39
kulvemaemo-debus or something like that20:39
bipolarDoes anyone out there running kde on their tablet know if there is a way to simulate a right-click?20:39
kulveLateralus: have you checked this: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html20:40
Lateraluskulve: I have them, and they load when I'm not debugging remotely20:40
Lateraluswait wait, I bet I forgot to re-run the script in this target.20:41
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Lateraluskulve: You're thinking of debug-dep-install (maemo-debug-scripts)20:42
LateralusNope, the debug packages are installed20:44
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benno2hi, trying the os 2008 maemo sdk on ubunty gutsy. seem to work fine but when I launch certain apps I get20:59
benno2process 1467: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory20:59
benno2See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue.20:59
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|tbb|how can i run a scrip which is executed from root as user21:21
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Lateralus|tbb|: su user -c script21:22
rm_youor add the script as a valid command in the sudoers file, and then you could do "sudo ./script"21:23
|tbb|k again, the script is allready executed as root now inside the script i would run anything as user21:26
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pupnikanybody up for some dosbox version comparisons, speed and regression testing?21:36
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ds3pupnik: how does one give input to dosbox? the one installed from the repo doesn't seem to let me do much21:42
pupnikds3 on n810?21:43
ds3no, N80021:43
pupnikthen you need to install xkbd http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html21:43
ds3ah21:44
pupnikthere is a pocketpc port of dosbox with sdl keyboard if anyone is interested to work on that21:44
ds3would a BT keyboard be usable then?21:44
pupnikyes BT is wonderful with dosbox21:44
ds3hmmm21:44
ds3interest level in dosbox just went up from zero ;)21:45
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ds3would you happen to know if it emulates the HP200LX quirks (graphics and other little things)?21:45
pupnikno21:45
fysais there a comparative MHz we can expect, in 80286/80386 terms?21:45
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pupniki dunno but my latest build is screamin compared to my last ones21:46
ds3it certainly seem like the N800 is really the convergence device (different meaning then the marketeers usage of it)21:46
pupnikumm but that means still painful compared to 386 in general21:46
ds3anyone making x48 or another HP48 emulator so work on the 800/810? saw screen shots but no binaries21:47
pupniki'm trying to fix the soundblaster emulation so it doesn't absolutely kill performance, and so far i got prince of persia with music up from 400 to 1300 cycles21:47
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fysaslick21:48
pupnikyeah it's really playable except for the dpad woes21:48
pupnikwe need a frontend with per-game settings21:49
pupnikon and framerate in wing commander and one-must-fall just about doubled in latest build21:50
pupnikstill too slow though21:50
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fysanever used dosbox before, can you call executables from the linux command-line?  i.e. "dosbox whatever.exe"21:59
pupnikyep21:59
fysaI think we need a 'games launcher' that lets you import profiles, where profiles contain an icon, a name, a launch command.22:00
fysaand maybe a 'bundle' of some sort.22:01
pupniktak's xmaeme does that for multiple emulators22:01
fysayes, xmaeme does that fairly well for emulators -- but it's emulator-centric and not game-centric.22:01
fysaI would want all games in a single list, "Wing Commander (dosbox)"22:01
pupnikthat's a nice idea for the xmaeme 'main page'22:02
fysathen checkboxes with filters to enable/disable22:02
pupnikno, each emulator has widely varying options22:02
fysaso you can turn all dosbox games off/on.22:02
pupnikohh22:03
pupnikok22:03
fysaxmaeme will run out of room for tabs soon ;)22:03
Takit only shows the tabs for things you have installed ;-)22:03
fysaTak..  is there a way you can have xmaeme only scan directories once on launch?  or is it something else that lags the rom-selection dropdown when I open it?22:04
* pupnik goes to do more -uh- 'testing'22:04
Takit only scans on launch22:04
fysapopulating/rendering the list is slow?22:05
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fysathere's a delay of a few seconds, just long enough for me to question whether I hit it properly or not.22:05
fysaand when I hit it again, it queues the click and immediately closes when it does pop up. :)22:05
Takthey're populated at launch, too22:06
Takit must be the rendering22:06
Takthere's zero xmaeme code that runs between the time it launches and the time you click "execute" or "browse" (or the fceu sound toggle)22:08
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fysaright.  it's a gtk issue.22:09
Takis this os2008?22:11
fysayes.  a couple hundred items in the list and it becomes slightly painful..  it would almost have to be a listview or something instead, which would force gtk to render it at launch.22:12
fysanot that most people would have this problem anyway. ;)22:13
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Takeven a few hundred items /shouldn't/ be a problem22:15
Takbecause it theoretically only has to render a screenful at a time22:16
* Tak ponders22:17
fysait's slow enough to feel like the list is being populated when I touch -- as if something is being created/copied around instead of being a pointer.22:19
fysaI can take a quick video if you care to see it in action.22:19
Takhah, no, I believe you22:19
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Jaffapupnik: I'll try it on the N81022:29
TakI wonder if gtk is internally doing something stupid like adding the items one by one and rerendering the combobox every time22:30
pupnikhttp://pupnik.de/dosbox.zip  binary, chinook - compare to older versions22:33
benno2hi, I am trying to compile vncviewer svn trunk under the chinook sdk, but I get this error:22:35
benno2 http://pastebin.ca/88801722:36
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keesjbenno2:  I think the dep names changes try a apt-cache search hildon | grep dev22:37
benno2keesj: yes thanks I thought about the same but there are many packages listed22:38
keesjand  edit the debian/control the change the dep names22:38
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benno2keesj: thanks, I changed the control file and now it starts compiling but it aborts during configure. do you think there is a package missing ? here is my output:22:43
benno2http://pastebin.ca/88803622:43
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Jaffapupnik: btw, any chance of getting dosbox to register itself and get a task icon (or is there a .desktop which works?)22:44
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BlafaselHmm.. Tried to copy files from laptop to N810 today and couldn't make it work - not via bluetooth nor adhoc network. What's the voodoo here?22:48
pupnikjaffa, this has one: http://pupnik.de/gregale/dosbox_0.72-0.1_armel.deb22:49
lcukwhich end were you copying from?    -   evening everyone btw22:49
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BlafaselThe nokia bluetooth profiles only offered Pushing OBEX cards to the device or audio stuff, afaik.22:50
lcukBlafasel, were you using the file manager shared folders area, or were you trying to push from your desktop22:50
keesjbenno2: perhaps you van paste the full output  of the command ?22:50
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Blafasellcuk: The latter22:50
lcuki have an adhox wifi network here and it works nicely22:50
lcukI do all my copying with scp22:50
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lcukis laptop running linux?22:51
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Jaffapupnik: ah right, been running it from the cmdline22:52
BlafaselNope. Company device, XP22:52
lcukhave you managed to get files visible in explorer windows or are you running winscp?22:53
lcuk(or similar)22:53
Takhmm, bluetooth copy from laptop => 770 Just Worked with XP22:53
Blafasellcuk: I couldn't create the ad-hoc network at all (might be caused by really strange ibm tools on the windows side - so no way to use winscp22:54
lcuki can bluetooth via my phone to 810, but from windows box  i cant get bluetooth doing much - i think the different stacks on windows are all just crappy22:54
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BlafaselAnd Bluetooth just couldn't find something like the obex filetransfer profile or something..22:55
BlafaselStrange..22:55
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lcuki had trouble with the original drivers i got with this wifi card, but i uninstalled them and used default windows ones and they went smoothly22:55
maddlerhi all22:56
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TakI just had to right-click (from explorer) -> send to device -> Nokia 77022:56
pupnikJaffa you can start it from ssh as well22:56
lcukwhich bluetooth stack is on windows, is it default or have you got bluesoliel or similar22:56
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BlafaselDefault one22:58
lcukhave you got as far as pairing them22:58
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Cptnodegardum22:59
Cptnodegardwtf22:59
Cptnodegardall the text on my n800 suddenly got smaller22:59
Cptnodegardhow do i fix that? -.-22:59
Blafasellcuk: Aye22:59
BlafaselPaired and trusted on both ends22:59
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lcukcan you send a file from 810 to laptop?23:00
lcuknode - have you been playing with your themes23:01
BlafaselNo idea how, actually. Blame the stupid user in front of the device or the UI. ;)23:01
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BlafaselI would have expected to find something like the bluetooth browsing somewhere near the status icon.. Actually I just found the filemanager stuff after you mentioned the filemanager hint23:02
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|tbb|what is the diffrence when i reboot my device and init.d services started instead i start a service  via ssh as root user23:03
lcukblaf, just open up file explorer and open the bluetooth branch and follow it down - see whether you can see whats happening23:03
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Blafasel|tbb|: How did you start it? The parent id perhaps?23:04
Cptnodegardlcuk - no, it was this when i got it out of standby... must be a setting somewhere as the icons in control panel is equally small23:04
lcukmaybe it dreamt of upgrading to a 1024*768 screen whilst it slept23:04
Cptnodegardlol23:05
Cptnodegardreboot fixed it23:05
lcukmusta just been a flag - was everything smaller or just the text?23:05
Cptnodegardwhich is kinda sad as iliked it small23:05
Cptnodegardjust text23:05
lcuki cant read the tiny text on this device - i had to up the minimum web browser size to 18+23:06
Cptnodegardi have not prodlem reading it, so the pixel density pwns for my use23:07
lcuki just love the fact i can read clear text without having to fuzz it up with antialiasing23:07
|tbb|just curios23:08
* lcuk waits for kids to be home and in bed then cracks open a beer23:08
|tbb|after a reboot my daemon runs but not interact with desktop, if i run it after i ssh to it and restarting it as root it works23:09
Jaffain bed? that's patience23:09
BlafaselBeer's right here ;)23:10
lcuki prefer to know they are safe.  if i start now and one doesnt come home i may have to go driving23:10
BlafaselWhich age?23:10
lcuk13 (going on 20)23:10
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smackpotatowhats with samba23:29
smackpotatoon the n81023:29
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