IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2008-01-25

LinuxCodeyou arent joking right ?00:00
LinuxCodethat has to be a joke00:00
fysasearch it.00:00
fysaITT even has a KDE forum.00:00
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LinuxCodebloody hell00:01
LinuxCodethat means that the fedora should work!00:01
fysayou mentioned 'not a computer' earlier? ;)00:01
fysaI don't know about that.00:01
fysaif there is a fedora-armel, maybe.00:01
LinuxCodethere is!00:01
fysathere IS, however, a debian-armel00:01
fysaand it is working00:02
fysavery barebones00:02
fysalet us know how it turns out :)00:02
LinuxCodehow do I flash00:03
fysano flashing00:03
LinuxCodeand can I completly backup my stuff ?00:03
fysayou can put it on a spare SD00:03
LinuxCodeok what do I do then ?00:03
fysaI suggest you search google00:03
LinuxCodeand then use that tool00:03
fysaand read the forums very thoroughly00:03
LinuxCodeI saw a how to on that tool00:03
LinuxCodeI need to buy a sd micro card first00:03
fysasomeome made a deb I think.00:03
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lcukhavent they just released kde for windows as well00:07
cmathesonhey guys, has anyone tried an apple bluetooth keyboard w/ the n800--does it work well?00:08
bkrusesomeone somewhere is a dpkg for life00:08
pH5GeneralAntilles: thanks :(00:08
bkruselcuk: kde for windows? wow00:08
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fysaI don't think it's a "window manager", lcuk00:09
fysabut they ported kdelibs and KOffice and such00:09
fysamost of what was needed to easily port the K* suite00:09
fysaand dependent apps00:10
lcukThe KDE desktop environment is going cross-platform with support for the Windows and Mac OS X operating systems.
* Jaffa hasn't seen screenshots yet. Last time I saw KDE on Windows it was running in Cygwin00:10
BlafaselIt works better now, but has lots of rendering glitches still, as far as I read00:11
dorkyboti like how many qt4 apps don't depend on kde-libs00:11
dorkybottrolltech removing unnecessary dependencies00:12
lcukblah, biggest rendering glitch appears to be any app title has an annoying k printed at the start of it ;)00:12
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* lcuk got a call from trolltech a couple of weeks ago00:16
LinuxCodelcuk, haha00:16
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lcuk^ not me00:16
lcuk< me00:17
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lcuknoone from the internet has ever contacted me in real life before, it was odd. they even asked for me by nickname00:18
lcuknot really, they kinda believe what you put as firstname/lastname00:19
lcukproblem was i registered for eval whilst at work so blindly put work tel num in00:19
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lcukbut gave my hacker alias00:20
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lcuki was very polite though, i told them i had evaluated their software but decided to go with python and gtk instead :)00:21
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maddlerhey all!!!00:23
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pupnikkde is too slow for my pc, let alone a tablet00:24
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dorkybotkde4 lighter on resources00:25
dorkybotwaiting for 4.100:25
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maddlerpupnik: WindoMaker is the choice! :D00:26
LinuxCodesaid the pig before it got slaughtered00:26
LinuxCodeyum..pork in cider sauce00:27
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lcukgrrrr - any idea why vmware has suddenly stopped letting me out of the window. up until last night i could drag a file from inside to outside.  now its forcing me to press ctrl+alt to escape00:28
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Mouseya change in the vmware-tools settings?00:29
Mousey..missing vmware-tools?00:30
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lcukahhhh thats odd, i didnt think it could be managed from something inside the image.     thanks, all cured00:30
lcuki thought it was an outside option00:31
dorkybotvmware useful on the tablet?00:31
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lcukddesktop is windows, so apparantly simplest dev env is located inside a vmware image...00:32
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Mouseyi was right? wow00:33
lcuklol yer, theres an icon on the image for enabling it, ive wondered what it did since i started messing, now i know...00:33
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LinuxCodeI cant compile vmmon on fedora x86_64 ;-|00:34
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LinuxCodeeven with the any any patch00:34
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* LinuxCode is eager to try out the dev vmware image00:35
lcukwhen you do, let me know how to get eclipse working nicely please :)00:36
lcukill pay you in beer00:36
LinuxCodepay in cider we have a deal!00:36
dorkybotlcuk: tethered to another pc with vnc00:36
* LinuxCode never liked beer00:36
LinuxCodedespite the fact I grew up in germany00:36
LinuxCodemaybe thats the reason00:36
* LinuxCode blames the germans00:37
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lcuklol - i spent 3 weeks in germany about 14 years ago (i know because i came home the day after i found out missus lcuk was pregnant)00:37
lcuki learnt 3 words00:37
LinuxCode"dont go away"00:38
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LinuxCode"dont get pregnant" ?00:38
lcuk"1 donar kebab please" (4 actually..)00:38
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LinuxCode"DRINK MORE BEER" ?00:38
Blafasellcuk: please? German? Yeah.00:38
dorkybotoom pah pah00:38
LinuxCodeyeh they are nicer over there00:38
LinuxCodeor turkish pizza00:39
BlafaselDöner ;)00:39
LinuxCodeId die for a turkish pizza00:39
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LinuxCodeI need to find a place here00:39
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LinuxCodegimme turkish!00:39
lcukinfact, it cant have been 3 weeks00:39
BlafaselLinuxCode: If you don't like beer you tried the wrong labels so far ;)00:39
* lcuk looks back at logs00:39
LinuxCodeBlafasel, lol00:40
LinuxCodeI tried proper beer00:40
LinuxCodegerman beer aint bad00:40
LinuxCodebut its not my taste00:40
LinuxCodeI like sweet stuff00:40
LinuxCodecider is ok00:40
LinuxCodeI like a nice pint of that00:40
jottyou tried all of the >1000 brands?! :O00:40
BlafaselProper means different things for differnt peoples. Some like it sweet, some strong etc.00:40
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BlafaselLinuxCode: Bavarian beer is quite sweet, especially the wheat beer00:41
LinuxCodewhite beer etc..00:41
LinuxCodetried them all00:41
BlafaselAye ;)00:41
LinuxCodenot my cup of tea00:41
LinuxCodealt bier is alos ok00:41
BlafaselNot my kind of stuff, but - sweet it is00:41
LinuxCodeand kolsch00:41
BlafaselAlt.. Hmm.. That's kind of a bummer her. I'm living in Cologne ;)00:42
infobotBlafasel meant: Alt.. Hmm.. That's kind of a bummer here. I'm living in Cologne ;)00:42
LinuxCodeö <-- ohh I found00:42
LinuxCodeBlafasel, hahah00:42
LinuxCodeI know00:42
LinuxCodeI used to live in Duesseldorf00:42
LinuxCodegood old competition00:42
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BlafaselLinuxCode: I moved to Cologne, so I'm not part of that thing. But it's fun sometimes.00:43
LinuxCodeyep def00:43
LinuxCodecarnival is silly in germany00:43
LinuxCodebut still fun00:43
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BlafaselYou know that it has it's main events next week? ;)00:44
Blafaselits, even. Doh! Too much beer tonight?00:44
LinuxCodeohh yeh its the time of year again00:45
LinuxCodelucky you00:45
LinuxCodeday off and all on monday00:45
LinuxCodeI have got deadlines00:45
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LinuxCodeUK needs more bank holidays00:45
LinuxCodetakes the piss00:45
LinuxCodewe are a bunch of slaves00:46
GeneralAntillesSomebody with an N810 want to tell me the filename of the most recent OS2008 firmware?00:46
lcuk( i hope)00:46
GeneralAntillesOK, so it only differs in the product code00:47
GeneralAntillesCool, thanks.00:47
lcukwhats yours?00:47
BlafaselLinuxCode: No, you're a bunch of soap opera stars with those cameras ;)00:47
lcuki dont even think i needed that in the end cos the windows flasher redownloads it00:48
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GeneralAntillesWhat's the Home button look like on the N810 and where is it located on the front?00:51
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LinuxCodelcuk, theres a windows flahser ?00:51
LinuxCodeis there a linux one too ?00:51
lcuklinux is manual00:51
LinuxCodeand where do I get the flasher from00:51
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lcukgoto any football match00:51
* LinuxCode hits fcarvalho 00:51
LinuxCodeehh lcuk00:52
lcuktheres normally a flasher at a football match00:52
lcukoh wait, thats a streaker00:52
GeneralAntillesI'm assuming the stupid looking overlapping square thing on the front of the N810 is the Home key, right?00:52
lcukyes, just under the cam00:52
LinuxCodethanks GeneralAntilles00:52
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LinuxCodebelow the joystick ?00:53
LinuxCodeor joypad ?00:53
GeneralAntillesOn the N800 it's the bottommost button00:53
GeneralAntillesOn the N810 it's the topmost.00:53
GeneralAntillesWell, on the face.00:53
Tama^2got my 16Gb SDHC card, yay!00:55
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GeneralAntillesAlright, if anybody wants to pick this apart:
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LinuxCodeim off to watch some tv and get some sleep00:57
LinuxCodenn all00:57
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pupniki wish mencoder had an anti-shake filter00:59
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GeneralAntillesToo much handy-cam footage? :P00:59
jay_Amateur porn?00:59
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pupnikyeah there's a free plugin for windows that will do it with avisynth i think00:59
DeanWIAnyone here interested in a Birds of Feather gathering at PyCon [Chicago]?01:00
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korpiosDeanWI: sure, I'll be there (I just moved to Chicago, so that helps)  ^_^01:01
darkipdoes anyone know when the new version of canola's coming out (the one including album art support)01:01
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GeneralAntilles darkip01:03
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XATRIXhi....i've got a question about Nokia N 770 it possible to install software on it ?01:04
XATRIXor i should use only preinstalled software and not able to modify it...?01:05
Mousey770/800/810 != iPhone01:05
XATRIXem...what do you mean /01:07
Mouseyit's an open platform, install anything you wanto n it01:07
Mouseyon it, even01:07
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XATRIXi can install almost all soft that i want ?01:07
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Mouseyif you can get it to work, sure01:08
DeanWIAll software that is targetted for it, yes.01:08
XATRIXfor example irc client ...icq client ?01:08
Mouseythere's tons of software for the 77001:08
Mouseypidgin or gaim should work, i donno but probably xchat, too01:08
XATRIXthat's sound great01:08
Mouseywhat DeanWI said01:08
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MouseyXATRIX: are you looking to get one?01:08
nick_fn_I'm using xchat on an N800 right now01:08
XATRIXMousey> i'm thinking to obtain one Nokia 770 device01:09
XATRIXnick_fn_> XCHAT ????????????? O_o01:09
MouseyXATRIX: get an n810 instead if you can01:09
* Mousey is using xchat on n81001:09
MouseyXATRIX: it's a linux box man, it runs linux software01:10
XATRIXMousey> i think it would be much more expensive to get this one......(770 = 170$) Ukraine01:10
Mouseyi got wesnoth and freeciv on my box too01:10
Mouseyoh. money is a factor01:10
XATRIXholy sh....:)))01:10
nick_fn_freeciv? good idea01:10
XATRIXi'll definitly get one01:11
Mouseyyea, it's only 2.0.8, but hey, good enuff for now01:11
XATRIXand something more01:11
XATRIXcan i install my own linux ?01:11
XATRIXi'd like to install Gentoo 2007.01:11
XATRIXand my own kernel01:11
XATRIXis it possible ?01:11
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* Mousey doesn't know01:12
GeneralAntillesXATRIX, try and get an N800 over a 770 if you can.01:12
Mouseywhat GeneralAntilles said01:12
GeneralAntillesdebian-armel works.01:12
GeneralAntillesGentoo hasn't been tried as far as I know.01:12
Tama^2XATRIX: the fact you ask in those terms indicates taht even if it was possible, you should not attempt it :P01:12
MouseyGeneralAntilles: it does? i should put it on my n81001:12
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XATRIXwhat CPU does it have ?01:13
GeneralAntillesOMAP1710 on the 77001:14
GeneralAntillesOMAP2420 on the N80001:14
GeneralAntillesN800 is a LOT faster.01:14
XATRIXem...i mean what acrh ?01:14
XATRIXgentoo supports arm01:14
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GeneralAntillesDebian's ARM branch is the most complete.01:15
XATRIXi'll check it01:15
fysaYou need armel I believe, not just arm.01:15
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GeneralAntillesBut, seriously, XATRIX, go for the N800 over the 770 if you can.01:16
XATRIXi'm trying to buy 770 on the ebay-like system....our native ukrainian torg.alkar.net01:17
Mouseyoh. well it be worth the extra heartache to get the 80001:17
XATRIXso...i guess noone is selling 80001:17
XATRIXanyway what do you thing about "Additionally provide a "Hacker Edition" which runs the N800 OS (OS2007) on the N770. This provides greater compatibility with 3rd party apps." ?01:17
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GeneralAntillesIt's both better and worse than OS2006.01:18
GeneralAntillesBut the 770 is out of date however you look at it.01:18
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XATRIXi know...but it will be my first such class device  :)01:19
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XATRIXi haven't use such devices before01:19
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nick_fn_Is it possible to put a clock in the button bar at the top in OS2007?01:22
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GeneralAntillesosso-statusbar-cpu is one option.01:22
GeneralAntillesThere's a clock-only applet around somewhere, too.01:22
XATRIXYou know, i've cheked the prices of the N800, it's over 480 $ here...but 770 = 170-200 $01:22
GeneralAntillesYou should schedule yourself a trip to the US. :P01:22's not so simple as you think :(01:23
XATRIXat first, i need visa01:23
GeneralAntillesHas anybody had any success with re-shipping companies?01:24
XATRIXat the second, i'm a military i will be denied to live my country01:24
t_s_ohmm, before i had a reboot loop when messing around with the rtcomm beta, i recall finding ui file manager that was able to show the full file system. but now i cant find it even with a full repository list from gronmayer...01:24
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nick_fn_ta GeneralAntilles01:25
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t_s_oso, anyone have any idea what file manager it was i messed around with?01:31
XATRIXsorry for my "explicit" interest...but how can i change the operating system on it ?01:32
XATRIXjust common steps01:33
GeneralAntillesNot particularly straightforward.01:33
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davidbWhere does a Canadian order there discounted n81001:35
pupnikto update or upgrade the operating system one uses the 'flasher tool'.01:35
GeneralAntillespupnik, to Gentoo or Debian armel01:35
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GeneralAntillesThat was the question.01:36
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davidbzerojay: did you get your n810 ordered yet?01:37
* davidb wonders who else to ping01:37
pupnikdo you ping him or ping he?01:38
pupnikthen it's 'whom to ping'01:38
GeneralAntillesNative speakers are allowed to use who freely. ;)01:39
XATRIXso...."flasher tool" is a device or a software /01:39
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XATRIXthank god it's software....01:39
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XATRIXi don't wanna search for a specific devices for a "phone flashing"01:40
leo2007is there a channel for discussing n810?01:41
davidbleo2007: good q01:41
pupnikno multitouch Tak01:41
maddlerleo2007: beside this one? :)01:41
TakI don't think it strictly needs multitouch01:42
pupnikhave you ever played a guitar?01:42
Takhave you ever played frets on fire?01:43
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t_s_obasically guitar hero using a computer keyboard01:45
leo2007davidb: what do you mean?01:45
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davidbleo2007: i mean good question. about an n810 channel. doesn't seem to beone01:46
davidbbe one01:46
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leo2007may I ask here?01:47
Takleo2007, davidb: This is it.01:47
davidbTak: ok01:48
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leo2007has the problem that the battery is a little bit loose been fixed?01:48
robtaylordavidb: nice to see you here :)01:48
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davidbrobtaylor: thanks. i noticed your nick :)01:48
davidbrobtaylor: just popping in hoping to figure out how to order my n810 from canada01:49
davidbrobtaylor: but am still on holiday with my new baby (and 5 yr old)01:49
robtaylordavidb: with developer code?01:49
davidbrobtaylor: yup01:49
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robtaylordavidb: nice, hope the babbys healthy and happy :)01:49
davidbrobtaylor: the info they sent me requires an american shipping address01:49
davidbrobtaylor: cheers.01:50
robtaylordavidb: ah, thats not ideal01:50
davidbrobtaylor: nope... especially with the tight border etc.01:50
davidb(post 9/11 world)01:50
davidbrobtaylor: gotta run.  i'll be in touch.01:50
robtaylordavidb: laters01:51
Takmeh, I hate that phrase01:51
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robtaylorTak: i wonder if pocketguitar only works with two-finger chords? ;)01:52
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Takdifficult to say - I don't have an iphone nor ipod01:52
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GeneralAntillesTak, me too. :P01:53
Takbut the ITs aren't multitouch, and you can have two onscreen buttons held at the same time in fceu01:53
GeneralAntillesBut, in the post 9/11 world, we can't afford to hate. :P01:53
TakI suspect that sdl just rapidly alternates them or something01:53
TakIt's a post-9/11 world, and if you don't like it, you'll like an all-expenses-paid guantanamo vacation!01:54
pupnikyou can press two onscreen buttons at once Tak?01:54
Takyou can't press them simultaneously, but you can hold one and press another01:55
jottTak: my blind guess would be to keep the button pressed if there is no MOUSE_UP event :)01:55
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Don't hate, appreciate!01:55
pupnikholy cow...01:55
jott(if this works..dunno)01:55
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fysa"There's certainly no shortage of ways to get your YouTube fix on the go, but it looks like those options just got a whole lot bigger, as the company today launched a newly expanded mobile website that provides access to "most" of YouTube's catalog on any capable mobile device."02:03
fysaanyone try?02:03
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pupnik  [ GemRB: Baldur's Gate 2 on on Nokia N810 ]02:04
zerojayfysa: you probably found an old press release.02:04
fysathat is awesome.02:05
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fysathat was today on engadget, zerojay02:05
zerojayI don't see anything different.02:05
fysa"That's quite the improvement over the version of the site that launched last year, which was also open to any device but only provided a select few hand-picked videos."02:05
fysainterface is mostly the same.02:06
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pupnikwhere's the mobile url?02:07
zerojayI can't even connect to it.02:07
fysaI'm on it now..02:07
fysait has every video I've uploaded02:07
fysapupnik: this is amazing.02:08
fysapupnik: Herbaliser or Fila Brazilia?02:09
leo2007do we have to pay for a public wifi to stay online 24/702:09
lcukdepends if you know your neighbours password02:10
leo2007what if I am in the airport?02:10
fysasynergy/bluetooth mouse?02:10
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fysaseems to run playably02:11
|Riodine :)02:11
lcukloe, you can get access point data plans, not sure though because i dont ever do it.   alternatively you can use your phones data stream02:12
pupnikyeah it should be playable someday02:12
leo2007lcuk: are you in UK?02:12
fysajust a straight compile so far?02:12
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lcukfysa, is there a specific codec required to get the movies playing or is it just random ones02:13
jottdoes not work under os2008 as it seems ;)02:14
lcukwell thats what i mean - i take it 3gp is the container format with streams inside which obviously our device cannot play correctly02:14
lcukor are all 3gp videos meant to be created equal02:15
jottdon't even know if it can handle the 3gp container02:15
fysamplayer can.02:15
leo2007is there NOKIA developing the next version of nseries02:15
lcuk3gp play fine when copied from my phone02:15
jottfysa: but mplayer has bad rtsp support :/02:15
fysayou know..02:15
jottor lives555 so02:15
fysawould be nice to have a greasemonkey script02:15
fysafor, that lets you *browse* on
fysabut then when you click, it gives you the download link to the .flv for the full02:16
fysathen we use mplayer to play that.02:16
fysa100% speed/quality02:16
jottyeah you could also browse the "real" site with flash disabled02:16
GeneralAntilleslol, leo2007, they're just gonna see what happens.02:16
jottand a userjs that extracts/generates the flv link02:16
fysaoh, videolan is ported somewhere.02:16
lcukit would be much niceer to just have a proper binary FlashBlocker for this device - flash slows everything down, have click to view, and oh look, extra bonus, you clicked youtube, lets open it in mediaplayer02:16
fysathat would probably work.02:16
jottthere are read ones..02:16
fysalcuk: just need a greasemonkey script02:17
fysalcuk: we have greasemonkey support in microb02:17
fysaon OS200802:17
fysathere are a couple N800-related things in there now.  I think a greasemonkey script for Google iPhone sites being used on an N80002:18
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lcukbleugh, GM is a nasty hack, you will not catch everything properly and why would you want to load/initialise/run THEN cleanup the result.  just stop it before it comes on, quick/clean/simple02:18
jotti use videoscript.js with opera.. that works quite nice..02:18
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fysaas long as you catch it before the flash renders, you will be good02:18
jott(desktop opera)02:18
fysaGM will keep flash from downloading at all.02:18
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fysauntil you 'touch' it02:19
fysaGM filters the HTML02:19
lcukmuch slower - anything which catches the post processed page is shite (I should know, i worked on flashblock for firefox..)02:19
lcukbetter design would see a tiny executable catching everything cleanly then letting flash go for the stuff you request02:19
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jottanything related to firefox is slow -... SCNR ;)02:19
lcukits faster as well02:19
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* lcuk makes his internet pages stable still and flicker free. no jazzy crap please (but i surprisingly dont mind static ads..)02:22
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jottlcuk: valid html 3.2? ;)02:24
lcuki dont think so - that included blink didnt it :P02:24
jottyou did not have to include blink to make it valid ;)02:25
lcukno but any page which used it was automatically invalid02:25
jotti guess HTML 5 goes in this direction ;)02:25
lcukbest demonstation of future tech...
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ds3is the blizzard the 770 or the 800 LCD controller?02:47
lcuki'd hazard a guess that its the 770, the 800 should be known as "possible chance of a light dusting in exposed areas"02:49
GeneralAntillesHow obscure, lcuk. :P02:51
lcukwell, the 800 is about 3x slower than the 77002:52
GeneralAntillesI was picturing screen noise.02:52
GeneralAntillesOf which the 770 has more. :P02:52
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lcukyer, some days its a whiteout02:52
ds3which ever has the blizard chip, it looks like someone added hardware screen rotation support02:53
ds3the trick now is to get into a kernel that supports everything else02:53
lcuknice, you got a link?02:55
pupnikthe n810 screen has amazing color stability at wide viewing angles02:55
GeneralAntillesNice, isn't it?02:56
pupniki'm so used to the brightness changing on the 77002:56
pupniki was in the habit of using tilt as a brightness control02:57
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ds3lcuk: I am watching commits to the opensource OMAP tree... let me see if I can find an archive02:57
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Takbtw, there are videodownloader ff extensions for youtube etc03:13
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Takand they're selected use, not like greasemonkey03:19
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T-BABITI wonder if someone could help me with partitioning my mmc card, I'm having some trouble.03:22
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Takwhat's the issue?03:22
T-BABITI get an error when I got to partition after unmounting03:22
T-BABITlet me get it..03:22
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T-BABIT~/dev/mmcblk0p1:1,15000,6: not found03:23
johnxwhat command are you running?03:24
johnxand which guide are you following?03:24
Takyes, paste the command03:25
T-BABITso that's right after the sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 command03:25
T-BABITI get the error on the next line03:25
johnxthat command needs to be entered inside sfdisk03:26
Tak...which is?03:26
Takah, hah03:26
johnxgot it?03:26
T-BABIToh so I need to prefix it?03:26
T-BABITwith the # sfdisk?03:26
* Tak slow, blame 77003:27
johnxhere's your problem...03:27
johnxdon't type the #03:27
T-BABITor, I dunno I have very little experience with this kind of console03:27
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johnxthe # is unix jargon for "do this as root"03:27
johnxunix-heads tend to forget that putting $ or # at the beginning of a line confuses the heck out of people who are new to Unix03:28
johnxso when you see "# apt-get install e2fsprogs" type:03:28
johnxapt-get install e2fsprogs03:28
dorkybot# just means you are root03:28
dorkybot$ means you are a regular user03:28
T-BABITso the problem was that I never entered the original command right?03:29
Takit's supposed to signify the end of the command prompt03:29
T-BABITokay then I have another problem :)03:29
T-BABITI don't think I've elevated my permission to root yet03:29
johnxT-BABIT, did you install becomeroot and type "sudo gainroot"03:30
ds3give instructions like this -03:30
T-BABITI didn't get become root as an application to install03:30
ds3# This is ONLY a sample, do not type this03:30
ds3# rm -rf /03:30
ds3how's that for a monkey wrench in the works }:-)03:31
dorkybotdon't even suggest that03:31
dorkybotthat sample is pure evil03:31
T-BABITis becomeroot installed the same way x-term was?03:31
ds3if you did it literally, it'll be safe03:32
ds3if not, you should've known better ;)03:32
lcukyes babit, but you have to link to a different repository for it to become listed (or it might just be redpill)03:32
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johnxT-BABIT, which device and OS version are you using?03:32
T-BABITit's a 770, I think the OS is nokia's from 0603:33
Takare you at least installing 2007HE on it?03:34
Takis that what's on it, or what you're installing?03:35
T-BABITthat's what's on it03:35
Takare you at least installing 2007HE on it?03:35
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T-BABITI'm not installing anything on it presently, maybe I misunderstand the question03:36
jottare there actually schematics for the rx-44 accessible somewhere?03:36
johnxTak, he's just trying to partition his card03:36
johnxT-BABIT, I assume you want to boot from the rs-mmc card, thus you're partitioning?03:36
GeneralAntillesjott, there are for the N800.03:37
GeneralAntillesThey'll be fairly similar.03:37
jottGeneralAntilles: yeah i saw those03:37
lcuk*apart from the extra stuff03:37
lcuk*and the stuff taken away03:37
GeneralAntillesGPS, keyboard, light sensor.03:37
lcukbut they are the same ;)03:37
GeneralAntilleslcuk, the important stuff is the same.03:37
johnxT-BABIT, install this package to make sudo gainroot work:
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* lcuk is yankin your chain03:38
jottGeneralAntilles: important is relative i suppose03:38
GeneralAntillesEh, something's better than nothing.03:38
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lcukGeneralAntilles, you are 100% right, because they are related devices usually knowing info on one will at the very least be kept in proximity to the other03:39
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T-BABITjohnx: ok installed.03:39
johnxat a command line type:03:40
johnxsudo gainroot03:40
johnxthen type:03:40
* GeneralAntilles prods lcuk with a sharpened stick. :P03:40
Takyou mean: # whoami03:40
* lcuk puts a sticker over GeneralAntilles's light sensor03:40
T-BABITjohnx: I'm root :-D03:41
GeneralAntillesDon't have one.03:41
jottlcuk: you mean the big pile of schematics with the confidential seal? ;)03:41
johnxalright, now you should be able to partition the card03:41
DashiadHello all...I was looking for some info about popping the keyboard on an SDL application..Has that been solved?03:41
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lcukwell they *are* confidential, they have merely been stored on the internet as a distributed backup mechanism03:41
T-BABITdope, thanks for being understanding this is a totally new platform for me.03:42
TakDashiad: if you're using rubygame ;-)03:42
* Tak gtg03:42
jottlcuk: heh just in case the nokia mainframe crashes and all is lost?! ;)03:42
johnxT-BABIT, sure. As long as you're willing to read and learn, we're generally pretty helpful.03:42
lcukyer, errrr thats it, gtg i hear sirens ;)03:42
johnxand only some of us *cough*ds3*cough* will tell try and trick you into deleting all your files. :)03:43
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lcukthats the first time ive seen anyone attempt to give that line, though i sorta expected to see it sometime.03:43
lcukT-BABIT, the ppl in here are v friendly :) they have helped me and others immensely03:44
jottyou have to encode your evil scripts in obfuscated perl code before posting them on irc ;)03:44
johnxlcuk, the irclog for this channel :P03:44
lcukyer and when im here its always helpful03:44
Tama^3it's a classic03:45
Tama^3a must03:45
lcukand for some reason i still dont know where GeneralAntilles is because he never seems to sleep03:45
GeneralAntillesI live in the interwebs. :P03:45
jotthe is a bot *psst* ;)03:45
lcukwith the ceiling cat03:45
GeneralAntillesEST, actually, but weird schedule, as I'm mostly taking online courses these days. :P03:45
GeneralAntilless/these days/this semester/03:45
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: EST, actually, but weird schedule, as I'm mostly taking online courses this semester. :P03:45
lcukEST? is that a shop?03:46
GeneralAntillesEastern Standard Time03:46
Tama^3lcuk: with the ceiling cat watching him masturbate <- there, fixed it for ya03:46
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GeneralAntillesBut what about the ceiling spiders?
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lcukGeneralAntilles, seem them before03:49
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johnxe ... c ... h ... o ...03:59
johnxcareful or you'll cause an avalanche04:00
Tama^3ping broadcast ;)04:01
johnx(requires superuser privileges. Are you root?)04:02
dorkybotnot in irc04:02
Tama^3oh well04:02
Tama^3not bad04:02
johnxnot quite root though :P04:03
jottremembers me of
johnxdid you remember the number off the top of your head?!04:03
jottna just the title ;)04:03
GeneralAntillesThat would be creepy.04:03
johnxscared me04:03
jottheh M)04:03
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johnxDoes anyone know if the N800 has an internal heat sensor of any type?04:15
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lcukyou might see a little light flickering if it sets on fire, but other than that i havent heard or seen anything04:16
lcukwhy u ask?04:16
johnxI expected not :/04:16
johnxsome other people on itt and myself have been having problems with the touchscreen/digitizer calibration going wonky04:17
lcukmy 810 gets hot if i put it onto a cushion and type with it04:17
lcukcalibration drift?04:17
johnxothers seem convinced that it's a software regression in 2008OS but I think it may be connected to heat causing some type of problem04:18
lcukit could be both.  the 800 is running faster than original spec, but is the problem centred around hotspots or just a general drift04:18
johnxbasically at the far right of the screen the input shows up about 1cm left of where I tap04:19
johnxat the left edge it's generally on target04:19
johnxif I press firmly with my thumb, somewhere on the side of the screen calibration is restored for a while04:19
lcukthe far right on mine is MUCH less sensitive than anywhere else -  this is where the cables connect i think04:19
johnxit's definitely worse in debian where power management is disabled and the tablet is constantly running warm04:20
lcukget maemopad+ on and do some gsmall scribbles all over the screen, you will see which parts are smoothly sensitive04:20
lcukmy old (homemade) touchpad suffered from a similar problem - the lcd unit backlight intersected part of my old tablet (which was placed behind the lcd).  at the area where the other electronics was the sensitivity was buggered04:21
lcukdebian as in using it as a mouse with clicks only04:22
lcuknot the pressure04:22
T-BABITIs there a default root password on the 770? I'm a dumby and locked myself out.04:22
johnxlcuk, actually, it's the same xserver, also using libts just as on maemo/ITOS04:23
lcuklike i say, try to get it into a package which shows the pressure gradiant and shade the whole area04:23
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lcukif you give me a minute i'll show you the effect (you will have to find a photo upload hosting site thingy for me tho...04:23
johnxhang on a couple minutes04:23
johnxthanks :)04:23
GeneralAntillesjohnx, I know touchscreen response regressed with OS2008 final for me.04:25
GeneralAntillesBut it's all over the screen.04:25
GeneralAntillesNot localized anywhere.04:25
johnxGeneralAntilles, does it get better and worse?04:25
GeneralAntillesIt's consistent.04:25
GeneralAntillesMost noticeable with the fullscreen keyboard04:25
GeneralAntillestaps register several keys off about every 3-7th keystroke04:26
johnxGeneralAntilles, interesting04:26
johnxis it to the left or right?04:27
GeneralAntillesand I only notice it with the fullscreen keyboard04:27
GeneralAntillesdon't notice it with normal taps.04:27
johnxwhat happens with a drawing program?04:27
GeneralAntillesLast I checked it was fine04:28
GeneralAntilleslet me recheck04:28
* johnx would really like to figure out if this is two entirely separate problems, or if my problem is the worse end of the same overall problem04:28
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GeneralAntillesSpot-on with Sketch and vkb04:30
johnxso weird...04:31
GeneralAntillesCouple mess ups in about a paragraph of text with the thumbboard.04:31
GeneralAntillesDevice is cold.04:31
GeneralAntillesRelease-day device, haven't had any touchscreen troubles.04:31
johnxgood info to know04:32
johnxhave you ever had problems with hitting the scroll bar in the web browser after a bit of browsing?04:32
GeneralAntillesOther than the fact that it's in the gutter and I rarely use the stylus, no.04:33
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johnxwell that kind of shoots down my heat-relation theory...given how much CPU intensive browsing is :/04:34
* lcuk is left handed so stays away04:34
lcuksays the apple user... :P04:34
GeneralAntillesI prefer oranges.04:35
GeneralAntillesMmm . . . oranges.04:35
lcukdoes anyone know an imagehost04:35
lcukive got pic waiting04:35
johnxer photobucket04:35
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johnxor bayimg if you're really desperate04:35
lcukive wasted 10 minutes of even scribbling time with my 810, i will regret this in years to come :P04:35
lcukones where i dont have to join04:36
GeneralAntillesDon't you have a server lying around somewhere?04:36
lcukyer but im just about to upload from it  :P04:37
johnxbut, it's hosted by the pirate bay folks so it might go down on your permanent record :P04:37
johnxlcuk, well I've been scribbling but this might not work out too well :/04:39
DashiadI've just compiled the Frodo C64 emulator for the n800...unfortunately, a bt keyboard is needed to load the games, and the joystick keys need mapping too04:39
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johnxas I scribbled my tablet got warm so vertical lines drawn on the far right edge of the screen show up about 1cm left nice and dark04:40
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lcukdamn, bayimg "oh, we're still moving some stuff, sorry." after selecting file04:40
GeneralAntillesHuh, recently manufactured unit, johnx?04:40
johnxGeneralAntilles, from march04:40
johnxit has a mysterious past as a comp usa floor model04:41
johnxso I imagine it was a first run04:41
GeneralAntillesGutsy buying a floor model.04:42
johnx$260 or so at the time04:42
johnxeven came with a charger04:42
GeneralAntillesOut of context, that is incredibly awesome, lcuk.04:43
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GeneralAntillesWhat program is that?04:44
lcukthe drawing ?04:44
johnxmaemopadplus I would assume04:45
GeneralAntillesPressure sensitive?04:45
GeneralAntillesI'm out of the loop.04:45
lcukset to fullscreen remove the toolbar and its the entire surface otherwise you have scrollbars04:45
johnxyou've been out of the loop since august or so then :P04:45
GeneralAntillesQuiet. :P04:46
johnxI mean this was all the way back on IT2007OS :P :D04:46
GeneralAntillesIT what? :P04:47
lcukjohn, ive shown you mine, lets see what yours looks like then :P04:47
GeneralAntillesjohnx, I'm ramping up the heat on my N800 to do another test.04:48
johnxlcuk, just a sec04:48
lcukgeneral, that port is NOT for that04:48
johnxfighting with the touchscreen to upload it :/04:48
GeneralAntillesHehe. Sitting on top of my receiver playing a movie.04:48
lcukhere you go gen, some porn: theres a young thin model being stripped down for you...
GeneralAntillesMy mother's been asking me if she should get a Macbook Air to replace her old Powerbook. <_<04:50
Tama^3etll her you woill gladly try it out for her for say... mmm 6 months?04:51
johnxif people don't know what kind of computer they need I tell them they should just get a plain macbook04:51
lcukexpensive, pretty, lacking in substance and looks like it needs a decent meal04:51
GeneralAntillesThe aluminum Powerbooks are funny.04:52
GeneralAntillesThey have a subwoofer.04:52
johnxso does my second-hand P4 toshiba04:52
* lcuk hears a tinny pop04:52
GeneralAntillesApple's laptops need louder speakers.04:53
celestehwhat?  speak up!04:53
GeneralAntillesG5 with real speakers over here. :P04:54
lcukjohnx, i gather the black vertical lines about 3.4 across were when you moved all the way to the right04:54
johnxthe diagonals were first, before it warmed up04:54
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johnxI tried to draw with even pressure across the whole screen04:55
lcukyou mean its stable for a while and can draw everywhere but then as the screen temp rises it goes way off04:55
lcukand how did you heat it up04:56
johnxjust by drawing04:57
johnxI'll send you another with it already warm04:57
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lcukdo smaller scribbles04:58
lcuknot full length of screen04:58
johnxwell that will be on 3 then04:58
celestehthis is way off topic, but since somebody else brought up apple . . . my x applications and many terminal apps are all in French! whatup?04:58
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johnxcelesteh, echo $LANG04:58
celestehthanks, johnx04:59
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celestehheh, it's fr_FR.UTF-804:59
johnxthat would do it :)04:59
johnxare you on debian/ubuntu?04:59
celestehno apple os x 10.504:59
johnxwell...I have no idea04:59
celestehwhat's it supposed to be for 'mericans?05:00
johnxen_US.UTF-8 should be reasonable05:00
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johnxlcuk, so smaller scribbles all over?05:00
johnxor just on the right?05:00
lcukall over if poss05:01
lcuki know what that looks like... but i dont know how its happeneing05:01
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johnxthanks for the help diagnosing :)05:01
lcukif you are drawing with stylus and you put your finger on it, the cursor jumps and continues moving at some half point between your stylus and your finger but its always a deep full color05:02
johnxif I press firmly on the left side of the screen with my thumb the calibration returns to normal for a while05:02
lcukhave you got a scratch cover thingy ontop05:02
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lcukthats the last time i saw something like this (it was on a DS)05:03
johnxsome people seemed to have a problem with this on ITOS2007 but some said that a new release of the firmware fixed it and some people RMAed theres05:03
GeneralAntillesCalibration was fine, warm05:03
johnxGeneralAntilles, thanks for the data point.05:04
GeneralAntillesWarmer, in fact, than it's ever gotten from cpu-use alone.05:04
lcukwhen it happened with the DS they got nintendo replacement05:04
lcukit does look much more intense than my silly problem..05:05
johnxlcuk, yeah. I'd RMA this in a second but I'm I live in Japan now05:05
lcukcontact nokia anyway, or visit a local repair shop/.centre/dude05:05
johnxI guess I should try that05:06
johnxthey don't sell them here though05:06
lcukhow is it from cold with gentle touches?05:07
johnxdead on05:07
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johnxI can tap with my finger nails on the small onscreen keyboard05:07
lcukit sounds like an adhesion problem between the screen and the touchsensor05:07
Tama^3johnx: is meamo mapper reliable in Japan (as far as your experience goes)05:08
lcukonce you press hard the capacitance/resistence changes and thinks its being pressed05:08
GeneralAntillesThe maximize/minimize outline boxes in OS2008 remind me so much of Mac Classic.05:09
johnxTama^3, fairly reliable, but my knowledge of place-name Kanji is ... bad, so I don't use it much05:09
lcukjohn, when did this start?05:10
johnxsometime over the summer05:10
johnxit was only once in a while though05:11
Tama^3johnx: good, I m planning to go there for a while and will buy a BT GPS receiver if it works05:11
johnxTama^3, I don't have a GPS, so I just use it to mark out POIs05:12
lcukim guessing you will have pressed it harder than your normal touch when it happened (fat finger touches are more pressure)05:12
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lcuki think all you can do is contact nokia and see.  take it from there as to how to continue.05:13
Tama^3I have no reason to doubt GRS will work there too05:13
pupnikhmm stylus makes good cigarette substitute..05:13
Tama^3I think maemo mapper become much more useful with gps05:13
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lcukit might even be worth (if your brave enough) stripping it down and giving the screen a close inspection to check for hairline cracks/bubbles or debris caught in the gutter05:13
johnxoh, the GPS will but people in different areas have different results for how well the GPS location lines up to google map's claimed longitude/latitude05:13
Tama^3pupnik: all chewed up?05:13
johnxlcuk, I'll give it a shot05:14
johnxit's easy enough to take the screen off at least05:14
lcukpupnik, dont do what i almost did.  i have stylus in mouth.  last night i had a cig in mouth and nearly poked my screen with lit end..05:14
johnxI've taken apart enough laptops in my days ...05:14
lcukjohn, failing all that - i wonder if one of those screen protectors will give you a bit more life - taking some of strain might allow you to use it without putting as much pressure on the screen05:16
lcukand hence not triggering the problem05:16
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johnxwell once it's hot it doesn't matter how hard or soft I tap05:16
johnxexcept that one firm press on the left makes it behave for maybe a minute or so05:16
lcukscreen wouldnt get hot running maemopad surely?05:17
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lcukit sounds more like a pressure related issue05:17
johnxcheck CPU usage in maemo pad while scribbling constantly05:17
johnxI bet it's pretty high for such a slow CPU05:17
johnxbut it stays woken up and runs at 400MHz I bet05:18
lcukdoes it matter what color i scribble in?05:18 uses way more CPU power :P05:18
lcuklol im jokin, it might be the size of my brush05:19
lcukoh crap, ive gotta sleep sometime tonight05:20
pupniki'd love a statusbar showing current clock speed, power state...05:20
lcukrm_you is status bar dude, i bet its possible05:21
lcukis the touchpanel overlay glass or a plastic sheet on the lcd?05:22
pupnika chemical substance with a long name05:22
johnxplastic I think05:22
elbtouch screens are generally a glass screen with a plastic overlay05:24
elbalthough these days they might both be plastic05:24
pupnikdo not lick the screen and operate heavy machinery05:24
hachithis is starting to drive me mad. every time I lock my n810 and walk from the current network zone, nto the world or something05:24
hachiI will come back to it and the network picker window is open, and the keys are still locked05:24
johnxhachi, something must be trying to get network access05:25
hachiwhat the frell is opening the window? all it's doing is causing my cpu to wake up and search for wifi05:25
johnxworse than that05:25
johnxwifi wakes up and soaks up lots of power sending probe requests05:25
hachiwell, I'm running modest and pidgin, but I didn't have this issue last week05:25
lcukright, must sleep05:26
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johnx'night lcuk05:26
johnxthanks for the help05:26
lcuknite folks, and john at least email nokia and read up about touchscreens - i thik you might have damaged yours05:26
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johnxI will05:27
hachiis there a way to set up pan between my tablet and a PC easily? the last set of instructions had no tools to do it and you had to speak via dbus manually05:27
lcukin the notes here about resistive screens it mentions sharp objects can upset the layer05:27
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* johnx reads05:28
lcukas you say, when you first turn it on nothing is touching and the layer is kinda fine, then you will go over the damaged are and the positioning will be screwed05:28
johnxlcuk, but if I let it cool for a while and come back it's just fine05:28
lcuki dont specifically think its temp with what im seeing but see what nokia say05:28
lcuki bet you could leave it running a busy program and leave it for a while and it will return to normal05:29
lcukeven though it will be hot05:29
johnxactually tried that05:29
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lcukdidnt work?05:30
johnxI will test it again more scientifically, but heat seems to be a factor05:30
johnxthough other things may be as well05:30
holla2040folks, I just deleted all my internet radio favorites, resulting in a blank ~/.mediaplayer-engine/radiochannels.m3u, could someone paste me yours so I can get the formatting. thanks.05:31
GeneralAntillesjohnx, you might Texrat up for a screen assembly05:31
GeneralAntilleshe may still have one or two lying around.05:31
johnxGeneralAntilles, good idea05:31
GeneralAntilless/might/might hit/05:31
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hachinow stay05:36
GeneralAntillesColloquy went spastic.05:40
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GeneralAntillesGo drink some bottled water, then you'll be set. :P05:46
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holla2040got'er fixed up, working great now, thanks again05:55
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czrthe part of the training material that my collegue wrote has a funny bug in it06:34
czrdo a google search with "maemo public api"06:34
czrgood thing that I never had the time to read that part of the material..06:34
T-BABITSo I get an error of 'Device or resource busy' when trying to unmount /media/mmc1. lsof doesn't show any files being used there though06:35
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Tama^3silly question: are you booting from it?06:52
johnxnah, he's trying to partition it so he can...I'm helping him06:53
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hahlois luks supported in os2008?06:53
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czrhahlo, not with stock kernel/initrd06:54
czryou'd need to roll your own06:54
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johnxbluetooth works in N800/debian07:19
johnxI didn't do anything so I guess it was just a matter of installing bluez-utils07:20
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proteousdoing it without doing anything is even more brilliant07:33
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johnxtesting out a2dp now :)07:36
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oilbtw. can n800 use multiple bluetooth connections at the same time?07:42
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johnxI ... have no idea07:42
fysanetwork connections?07:43
fysaor device connections?07:43
johnxI guess I could try file transfer while listening to a2dp07:43
oil1 for phone-> gprs and 1 for gps07:43
oilwell. me too. this is one of the things that should be easy to test07:44
GeneralAntillesYes, that works fine, oil.07:45
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oilGeneralAntilles: thanks!07:50
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pupnik_ you know, i swear08:56
pupnik_an architecture firm that designs a giant building08:56
pupnik_doesn't match some of these open-source projects08:57
pupnik_and average people don't respect these projects08:57
pupnik_because nobody paid 500 millio0n dollars for them08:57
cizarroaverage people don't appreciate architecture either08:58
pupnik_yeah well i just spent the night digging through a project08:58
pupnik_and ... god damn it.08:59
pupnik_the authors deserve some respect08:59
pupnik_a million little monkeys like me could never achieve what they did09:00
cizarroI'm trying to find a free MPEG4 ALS codec09:00
* cizarro sighs09:00
cizarroheh pupnik_, which project?09:00
cizarrowhat is it?09:01
pupnik_  sorry for the lo res09:01
cizarroah. game engine?09:01
cizarroheh. sorry you too. no flash :-)09:01
pupnik_no flash is cool09:01
cizarrooh. nice pic09:02
cizarroah. it's a port of the old baldur's gate thingy and others.09:02
cizarrofound the project on sf.09:02
cizarrohmm. pupnik_, the screeshot has shadows on the floor, are those rendered by the engine or part of the floor-tiles?09:05
pupnik_pre-rendered / floor tiles09:05
* cizarro nods09:05
cizarrorealtime shadow rendering would be nice though *coughs*09:05
pupnik_crysis does a fantastic job of that09:06
cizarroI wasn't too impressed with the graphics in it09:06
pupnik_oh but the tech... real-time radiosity09:06
cizarroalthough I only saw it in passing at some gaming fare.09:06
* cizarro nods09:06
cizarroI wonder why there are no hw-accelerated raytracers yet09:06
cizarrosimilar to what opengl did, but for grounds-up ray-tracing09:06
* cizarro waits another 10 years09:07
pupnik_evolution of history09:07
cizarrooh, I know. it's just sad :-)09:07
cizarrowith proper hw design, raytracing could be accelerated like hell09:08
pupnik_you can download hw accel raytracers now09:08
hachianyone know if the sketch program on maemo is open source?09:08
cizarropupnik_, umm? which ones?09:08
hachiI'm gonna start toying with things, I'm just curious ahead of time :)09:08
pupnik_hachi, download mtpaint and make that your project09:08
pupnik_cizarro: some russian demos09:08
inzhachi, the sketch on ITOS is closed source09:09
cizarropupnik_, ah. crazy russians.09:10
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cizarropupnik_, what did you mean by downloading though?09:10
cizarroah, you mean stuff that utilized directx/ogl2 in order to do the raytracing?09:11
cizarroyeah. that's what I thought.09:11
cizarrothat far from optimum solution for the problem09:11
pupnik_i've also thought that hardware could more closely simulate the real world09:12
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pupnik_but... there are plenty of smart people on the case09:13
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* cizarro nods09:13
pupnik_cizarro: the tablets should get a snes emu in 2008, and a psx emu, and other stuff... pick a project :)
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cizarroif only I'd be 15 years younger :-)09:17
cizarrounfortunately have too many "important" things to implement atm.09:17
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b0unc3good morning10:44
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b0unc3ehi johnx ... debian work fine on 770 :P10:48
johnxthat's great10:50
johnxb0unc3, do buttons work for you?10:50
johnxI'm having a heck of a time with them :/10:51
johnxalso, bluetooth should work if you apt-get install bluetooth and reboot :)10:53
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Cptnodegardfound a cheap N800 compatible mini usb cable with 5 pins10:54
johnxreally? it's wired like a mini-a, but fits into a mini-b socket?10:54
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Cptnodegardit fit without problem into the n800's usb port10:59
n0ob_do those nokias need special usb cables?11:00
n0ob_i'm thinking about buying an n81011:00
Tama^3no n00b11:00
Cptnodegardi got 4 of those cables at once and female jacks so i can mass produce auto-adapters i think >:D11:00
Tama^3a normal USB cable will do if you want to connect the n8x0 as an usb disk11:00
b0unc3johnx: no... the buttons seems not to work :(11:00
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n0ob_Tama^3: ok and what are the advantage of a special cable?11:01
Cptnodegardyou dont need root access to put it in host mode with a hacked cable11:02
Cptnodegardit will do it by itself11:02
n0ob_ah ok :)11:02
Tama^3exactly that11:03
n0ob_are there any problem with the n810? i have some experience with linux systems and eventually want to develop software for the maemo platform11:04
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cizarron0ob_, what do you mean by any problem?11:18
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cizarron0ob_, if you know / are willing to learn C, there's no problem11:18
cizarroif you only know java (for example), there might be a problem.11:18
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n0ob_for example i read about the gps being slow at fixing position11:19
cizarrofor development, the tablets don't differ so much from regular gtk-environments11:19
n0ob_cizarro: no java on the device?11:19
cizarron0ob_, yes. similar to most embedded device gpses.11:19
shreshey, does xserver-xomap use the hardware on omap2420 to do all its drawning?11:19
cizarron0ob_, no java.11:19
shresor is it some subset of it?11:19
cizarroshres, only some subset. framebuffer afaik11:19
n0ob_cizarro: thats not nice... what about all the applets in the www?11:20
cizarroshres, it doesn't use the powervr (smt like that)11:20
cizarron0ob_, what applets? javascript is supported in the browser. java != javascript.11:20
cizarroflash is also supported in the browser.11:20
shrescizarro, ah interesting, is there a specific reason for that?11:20
cizarroshres, lack of integration and the powervr stuff is closed/licensed separately11:20
|tbb|Cptnodegard: with a hacked cable could you use the cable then only for host mode?11:21
n0ob_cizarro: i know about java!=javascript... but java applets still exists out there, so i consider this as a missing thing11:21
cizarroshres, as for the other stuff (2D blits and such), I'm not 100% sure. might be just lack of interest/no advantages in using it. etc.11:21
cizarron0ob_, you're free to consider it a missing thing :-)11:21
shrescizarro, cool, thanks a lot. I will read the /kdrive/omap code to take it from here :-)11:22
cizarroshres, you may want to do a search on maeemo-developers list as well11:22
cizarroshres, the dsp can also access the framebuffer directly (video decoding etc)11:23
cizarrobut that's pretty voodoo stuff11:23
cizarro(at least for me)11:23
n0ob_cizarro: just an other short question... do you know about a special channel mor dedicated to users? so i wont need to bother developers with newbies questions?11:23
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shrescizarro, woah, i didnt expect that.11:24
cizarron0ob_, there's a maemo-users mailing list at least. and I'm pretty sure that good questions will be answered here as well, not everybody here is a developer11:24
n0ob_ah ok thx11:24
cizarroshres, if that interests you, search the maemo-dev ml :-) (or ask lardman)11:25
shrescizarro, will do :-), i will do my background research and ask on the list if i dont understand something.11:26
cizarroplease do :-)11:27
cizarrothe kdrive server that you'll be interested in is called Xomap11:27
shresi checked out the xserver-xomap code in my scratchbox, is that the right server peice to look through?11:28
cizarroI guess so. I haven't ventured on that path11:28
shresthe more i try to understand X, the harder it gets.11:29
cizarroheh, I know that feeling :-)11:29
cizarroI used to do some driver development in xf86-times11:29
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inzshres, the omap2420 built-in display controller is not actually used, but an external epson made one11:35
inzshres, I think the omap display controller cannot handle such "high" resolution11:35
shresinz, ummm... so i should be looking at kdrive/epson instead?11:37
inzshres, I dunnae11:40
shresinz, okie, thanks. I will rummage the mailing lists a little more.11:41
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matmoanyone know what /usr/bin/wizback is?11:41
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inzshres, it might be that the X does the drawing through kernel framebuffer, but again, I have no idea how it works11:42
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shresguys btw the search feature here is broken for mail archives.11:45
shresso if an admin is around, please do the needful.11:45
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cizarroshres, admins are too scared to be around this channel :-) (too much flak)11:46
inzbergie is here at least11:47
inzbergie, go fix it!11:47
bergiethat is a google search box, we have now control over it AFAIK11:48
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inzThe advanced search doesn't work at all11:52
cizarrobecause there's a bug in the URL encoding11:52
cizarrothere's an unescaped < just before the "ADVANCED" part of the submit url11:52
cizarrofix that, and then it might work ;-)11:52
cizarro&lt; ftw.11:52
maddlermorning all11:52
shrescizarro, damn, you beat me to stating the bug :p11:52
cizarroI run on steroids, caffeine and 4-bit processing. I'm fast..11:53
shreswell, i dont blame myself. I was looking at kdrive code for last hour. Being dazed is but certain.11:55
|tbb|morning maddler11:59
maddlerhi tbb... flashed ur IT?12:00
|tbb|yes havent another chance ;(12:01
maddleryeah... sadly...12:02
maddlerbut... beta testing it's (also) reflashing :)12:03
|tbb|thats true but dumbness by me dont have doing a backup ;)12:06
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maddlerwell... you learned another good lesson :D12:17
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oilhave you managed to get the imap working with gmail or should I go back to pop?12:20
Tama^3gmail imap works with claws and modest12:22
oilTama^3: ok, I'll go back to pop :)12:23
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oilor is there some other good points to use those clients?12:24
Tama^3I find the UI in claws unworkable so I use modest12:24
Tama^3and I think it is pretty good12:25
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oilmodest looks quite good and seems to be working. now fetching which will take a while12:34
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|tbb|maddler back?13:19
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oilseems like the modest does not retrieve emai bodies & attachements automatically13:23
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|tbb|is it known what makes the continues reboot loop13:23
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kulve|tbb|: crashing daemon most likely. Or unresponsive OS.13:25
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|tbb|no i mean was there a problem with modest or with rtfcomm update, at least13:27
|tbb|the screen turns to white after disableing watchdog13:28
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floriangood morning13:30
maddlerit was a rtcom related issue...13:31
maddlerhi florian13:31
florianhi maddler13:31
maddler2.1-17 released and fixed...13:31
maddlerand tested as well ;)13:32
|tbb|hey flo13:32
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|tbb|i should not be that fast in update beta versions13:34
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maddler|tbb|: or wait untile someone finds a bug instead of you... :)13:44
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|tbb|or potentially backup - update - reboot13:49
henriqueanybody knows where I can find the python-abook package for chinook?13:51
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henriquehmm, they are in nokia-sdk-binaries14:08
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sgbirchHas the method used for rearranging the home page changed with the latest release (2008).  I cant seem to move the apps around any more?14:13
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inzdamn, some hardy upgrade broke my scratchbox again14:28
inzNow with vdso14:28
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cizarroinz, yay :-)14:36
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inzcizarro, fortunately that was a known issue and easy to fix14:43
inzcizarro, might be because the -rt kernel that ubuntustudio pulled in14:44
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oil_hmm. would gpodder be a good application to download music files from the mediaserver? Making a  script which would create xml file of the music on the server. Then give this file as a podcast feed to the gpodder.14:49
oil_music librady is currently 20+GB and therefore can not be synced with the tablet14:50
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lcuk_wrkcould some1 do me a favor plz and have a look how long ago my normal lcuk connection closed.  home connection not responding and wanna see if house has burnt down14:53
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wndlcuk_wrk, about 3.5 hours ago14:55
lcuk_wrkthanks, just after i left for work..14:56
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KhertanIs there a way to be notified when network is available ?14:56
Khertanwhat i want to make is launching a sync process each time my tablet is online ...14:57
lcuk_wrkKhertan: i think osso has events for connectivity status14:57
Khertandoes this event can launch application ? or does i need to make a daemon ?14:58
lcuk_wrkkhertan, would you want this just for your app or allowing  for configuration of sync items?15:00
lcuk_wrkmight be an idea to write a mini daemon which just allows a script  to run upon related event (maybe someone  has already written one)15:02
Khertanlcuk_wrk > in fact i m doing my own task application, and i want to write a web page to be able to see task from desktop and to edit it15:03
Khertanlcuk_wrk > hum LibConIC API ... i don't see something about this in python binding ... :(15:04
lcuk_wrk[pymaemo] Internet Connectivity (libconic) for maemo15:04
lcuk_wrktry that..15:05
lcuk_wrkcrap sorry:
lcuk_wrkits the intention to produce bindings, not actual bindings15:05
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lcuk_wrkin the release notes for 2.51 ( libconic is listed: New modules (gconf/gnomevfs, libconic, libid3tag, osso-mime, libjpeg -thanks to Matt Croydon).15:08
Khertangreat .. !15:09
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lcuk_wrkbetter get back to work i think15:10
lcuk_wrkbefore i go, khertan - any new changes/releases i should be watching out for?15:11
Khertan:) no ... thx :)15:11
Khertanneed to get back to work too15:11
lcuk_wrkcatch ya later then15:12
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ccookeThere's no way to get the oxxo xterm to *remember* you want no button bar, is there?15:53
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Takosso-xterm is open-source, isn't it?  ;-)15:54
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t_s_oanyone else using simplelauncher and having trouble with the right-most icon?15:56
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t_s_occooke: funny, the original window ignored it, but when i hit "new window" from the menu, the toolbar was gone...15:57
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t_s_oand same even with the original window...15:58
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ccooket_s_o: the thing that annoys me is I have to turn it off - twice! once for normal, once for full screen - every single time I start the terminal16:00
t_s_oseems like some kind of bug16:01
t_s_olike i said, if i launch a second window of xterm while the first one is running, and showing the toolbar, the toolbar goes away, on both of them...16:01
t_s_oand thats even while the checkmarks are present on both options?!16:02
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Khertanthe most annoying things with osso-xterm is when you can only see on screen 8 or 10 toolbar ... and not the consol16:02
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Takyou mean the fullscreen keyboard? :-P16:05
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Richard_In sb2, "ls /lib" says no such file or directory. why?16:06
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alteregoRichard_, are you running `sb2 ls /lib` ?16:09
alteregoRemember that SB2 is _very_ different to sb1 ..16:09
Richard_alterego: yes16:09
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alteregoAdmittedly that's quite odd behaviour, but it's probably not broken behaviour ;)16:11
Richard_[SB2 game] tgr@tgr-laptop /media/disk/sb2/build_root $ sb2-show path /lib /usr /bin16:11
L0cN800alterego, no irb un ruby for maemo ?16:14
L0cN800problem to have it compiled ?16:14
maddlerL0cN800: aren't you on #maemo-it?! lazy bummer!!!16:15
Takdo we really need a separate maemo channel for each language?16:15
alteregoL0cN800, it's around somewhere :P16:16
alteregoL0cN800, I'll just find it. My servers are still not up yet.16:16
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L0cN800vanished :)16:16
maddlerTak: not really...16:16
* Tak join #maemo-it, hold conversations in a mixture of bad french and bad spanish16:16
maddlerTak: but you know... telling stupid stories in a foreign kanguage won't work! :D16:17
L0cN800maddler, on freenode ?16:17
maddlerL0cN800: yep16:17
TakEstuve una senorita de Maringa...16:18
alteregoI think I'm going to rip open one of my broken Nokia chargers and wire up a USB->Nokia charger adapter.16:20
maddlerdamn... can't recall how to change alt-tab behaviour in order to show windows on all desktops! :D16:20
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alteregoInteresting ..16:23
Khertanhuhu maemo-python is a registered chan16:23
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alteregoThe official channel is #ruby-maemo :P16:24
Khertanarg ... ... i was near :)16:24
* Tak $channels.each{ |chan| if(^#maemo/)) then join(chan); end }16:24
Khertanpffff ... this doesn't work :)16:25
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matmo_anyone using vmware appliance?16:40
alteregoI use a para virtualized appliance.16:40
matmo_I ran out of space and move some scratchbox directories to another drive and now cannot start maemo16:41
matmo_I moved devkits16:42
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alteregomatmo_, so you know what the problem is then ..16:47
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matmo_sb doesn allow links out side?16:47
matmo_(kb acting up)16:48
matmo_alterego: I moved devkits dir to another drive and linked it. Inside SB it now says no such dir16:49
alteregoYes, because scratchbox is chrooted.16:49
matmo_so what to do? The 6G appliance is full!16:49
alteregoAs soon as you enter scratchbox, those links become pointless.16:49
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Takwhy not bind-mount instead of symlink?16:50
alteregoResize the image?16:50
matmo_Tak: how?16:50
matmo_alterego: not poss16:50
Takmount -o bind /some/mount/point /other/mount/point   iirc16:50
micko_21Hello, I have a problem understanding routing on N810. I have connected N810 to my laptop with usb cable, switched WIFI off, manually created "route add default gw dev usb0". And ping and other shell commands work OK, but the WWW browser does not use this default route, and tries to make a connection using WIFI. Is there a way for the browser to use my routing table?16:51
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alteregomicko_21, have you setup ipmasq on your laptop to allow routing to the internet?16:53
micko_21Is it a bug, or expected behavior?16:53
micko_21Yes, as I wrote ping works ok, ssh also.16:54
b0unc3micko_21: dns?16:54
micko_21Only when I open the browser the "Select connection" dialog window appears16:54
_collin_you need the dummy_IAP16:55
micko_21DNS is OK (using commandline).16:55
_collin_micko_21: that was for you16:55
micko_21What is that? (dummy_IAP)16:55
_collin_check the maemo wiki16:55
micko_21OK, thanks16:55
_collin_it is to tell the device network infrastructure that there is a connection16:56
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matmo_Tak: bind doesn´t work either16:57
* Tak shrugs16:58
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micko_21OK, so it is not like in a linux system ;) Good to know about it. Thanks _collin_, it works now! It should be added in the default configuration I think... Would be easier for (some?) users.17:10
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dragornVery few people set up non-iap routes I think17:10
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|tbb|dragorn how can i get latest kismet version with dbus patch which shut down the nokia wlan connection thing17:12
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micko_21dragorn: yes, but I was fighting for 2 days now :( I suspected broken network code in the kernel. The solution is really simple, but is is really hard to find it for someone new to the maemo platform :(17:14
dragornanything hildonized that needs networking is supposed to talk to IAP to set up the connection17:15
dragornI did spend several days fighting with IAP trying to get it to shut DOWN all the existing connections.  Apparently you can't do that, since it's just a reference counter17:16
micko_21OK, I will remember.17:16
dragornI wonder if setting up a dummy IAP connection would be equally useful to shutting it down though.17:16
micko_21Couldn't you just do ifconifg wlan0 down? Wouldn't it work?17:17
dragornNot so much17:17
dragornIt's very very hard to get it to leave the wlan device alone, I'm finding17:18
dragornThe only reliable way I've found is to kill wlancond entirely, which is like putting it to sleep with a sledgehammer17:18
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dragornand even then it randomly hangs the device or doesn't come back normally.17:18
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micko_21On the other hand: how do people create packages for maemo? I am new to debian based systems. Yesterday I found about mud-builder, but I don't know if it is up-to-date? If yes, is there an update repository of *.xml recipes for it?17:19
dragornI fought with dpkg a lot, then said eff this, and I make them with tar and cpio17:20
Takmud-builder is fine if the package is already in debian and doesn't require extensive modifications17:20
micko_21I did compile lua for maemo, but I wonder if there is a readline package for chinook?17:20
inzarrgh, you shouldn't use tar and cpio for .debs17:20
* Tak strongly agree with inz 17:21
fysaThe Ubuntu community forums have a ton of resources on making debs and such, most of those instructions should apply here to a degree.17:22
_collin_miko_21: all the doku is in the wiki17:22
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Takit's not that difficult - dh_make; edit the stub files in debian/ ; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot17:22
micko_21So what is the best place to find "source" packages for maemo (so I could compile it by myself)? I know only about mud-builder. There are some packages on, but those are binary packages, right?17:22
lophytemorning all17:22
K-Foxwhat is a mud-builder?17:23
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Takmicko_21: there should be source for nearly everything on garage17:23
dragorninz: be that as it may, it's that, or it would appear I'm not going to be building any debs for anything :P17:23
micko_21I understand that "source" in debian is the content of the "debian" subdirectory? Or *.dsc files?17:24
|tbb|micko_21: ive done that "iwconfig wlan0 down" thing long time before it has worked for me also17:24
micko_21So, if I would like to check if someone did already a readline package for maemo, where should I look for it?17:26
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inzdragorn, the biggest problem with the tar+cpio is that you don't get source packages17:31
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dragorninz: I'm not going to restructure my entire app17:31
inzdragorn, why would you need to?17:32
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inzdragorn, deb packaging doesn't really say anythin about how you should make your app, you just need to put some files to certain places and magic will happen =)17:33
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ph|bery0 guys..17:54
ph|beryou think nokia will move to ffs?17:54
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Takffs - most amusing filesystem name ever17:54
zoranit is bsd fs for hdd?17:54
ph|berflash filesystem17:55
ph|bermounts 500 times faster than jffs217:55
ph|berer 500%17:55
lophytethat's awesome17:56
fysamounts faster..17:56
fysabut access/read/write?17:56
Tak"FFS technology is not open source." uhh...17:56
Takso do you have to use fuse then?  or are they just morons?17:56
ph|berwhere did you see not opensource?17:57
Takin the article you just linked17:57
ph|beri dont see that anywhere.17:58
Takffs, third paragraph under the image17:58
ph|ber400% faster write performance17:58
GeneralAntillesUnlike JFFS2 or YAFFS, Datalight’s Reliance and FlashFX Pro FFS technology is not open source.17:58
sp3000ffs, use search17:58
sp3000s/search/find in page/17:58
Taksp3000 meant: ffs, use find in page17:58
infobotsp3000 meant: ffs, use find in page17:58
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* sp3000 sobs17:59
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* fysa still thinks SDHC RAID is the way to go ;)18:01
zoranhave server in your pocket?18:01
fysaraid0, so you can still pop one out18:02
GeneralAntillesRAID . . . fun.18:03
GeneralAntillesWho's gonna be the first to  implement  that on the N800? :P18:03
zorank, large files, no biggie18:03
fysaproblem is does the kernel support md?18:03
fysawe'd need a hacked kernel..18:03
zoranor make network nas and use it that way18:03
fysabut network is slower..18:04
fysaso your bottleneck would be the network instead of the array18:04
zoranwhat purpose would it be for?18:04
GeneralAntilleszoran . . . RAID ARRAY in your POCKET. :P18:05
fysatwo 8GB SDHC cards in the N80018:05
fysathe purpose is bandwidth..18:05
unique311Tak, ping18:05
zoranwhen box made, it should have purpose in minds18:05
fysa128MB RAM means lots of swapping18:05
fysaswapping likes fast media18:05
zorank, don't want to bother...18:06
fysaI bet the device in general would feel much more snappy if we could even get to 15-20MB/s instead of 5-6MB/s18:06
zoranI still think raid is not for pc etc18:06
fysayeah, no shit18:06
fysaRAID should be everywhere.18:06
fysanot just the 8 drives in the linux server on my floor behind me.18:07
zoranbigger hdd/mmc even better18:07
fysaRAID0 is mirroring18:07
fysaso you use two 8GB SDHCs..18:08
fysayou only get 8GB total storage.18:08
zoranit is raid 118:08
zoran2 identical copies18:08
Takunique311: pong?18:08
fysahaha sorry.18:08
fysaI meant RAID1.18:08
zoran5 is interesting on n81018:08
* Tak need tko's contentless p[io]ng script18:08
zorandunno  :)18:09
fysaon N800 you have two SDHC slots18:09
zoran3 or more mmc-s18:09
Takfysa: my swap would be a lot more snappy, I'm sure18:09
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unique311is it possible to add lynx emu to xmaeme18:09
zoranswap makes all fst on my 770, but i rerely use it18:09
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unique311found an emu for lynx that runs 16+ fps18:10
fysaheh, cool18:10
Takvery nice18:10
fysaCalifornia Games here I come18:10
unique311but screen size is kinda small.18:10
TakI just added gnuboy (haven't released yet)18:10
Takno option to multiply screen size?18:11
fysahow fast is the USB port on the N800?18:11
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unique311but i think i can modify the source to change screen size.18:11
unique311might slow it down18:11
Takhmm - is it small enough to be doubled?18:12
Takor is it too small for that to be enough?18:12
fysaI think so.18:12
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fysaalmost x5 ;)18:12
Takholy crap - it's smaller than gb?18:13
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fysait's pretty old.18:13
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fysa16 colors onscreen18:14
Takso what's the emu?18:15
unique311the source was really screwed.18:15
unique311i can send you the one i modified to look at.18:16
Takhow was it screwed?18:16
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unique311well letters were capped when they arent suppose to be.18:17
Takoh, one of those18:17
unique311and that made for lots of such files cannot be found.18:17
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TakI hate it when somebody makes a mod or a map for a crossplatform game like UT or NWN, and the files are all like SoMeMaP.ut2 and variously referenced as SOMEMAP, SomeMap, and somemap18:18
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Takunique311: so...your modified source?18:25
unique311sending it to you right now.18:25
* Tak nods18:25
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unique311that link i posted is not the one i used.18:25
unique311thats another version.18:25
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unique311trying to locate the link with the sdl version i used.18:26
Takcold for gasparilla18:26
fysaGoing to try to watch it from our balcony..18:26
fysaI think the parade sets up/starts right in front/down the block18:26
fysabut yeah, a bit chilly for beads.18:26
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elbmy N810 hit Memphis this morning at 070018:37
elbit could conceivably be here today, but I'm betting Monday18:37
ph|berku.. want me to go and pick it up?18:37
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Takhmm, built18:48
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unique311screen pretty small, heh18:50
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dorkybotthe agony of fedex tracking and wasting time on irc ...18:54
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korpiosdorkybot: mine says it's coming in tomorrow, so it looks like they're good for the two-day shipping18:56
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dorkybotmine is monday from TX to NJ19:02
dorkybotjust took nokia a long time to get it to fedex19:03
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Takthey flew someone from FI to TX to drop it off at fedex19:03
dorkyboti thank them for the effort :)19:04
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dorkybotalready read most of internettablettalk ...19:05
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unique311Tak, seems theirs a version of handySDL out there with pixel doubling already19:19
unique311version 0.219:19
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unique311no source just binary19:20
unique311looking for the source code right now.19:21
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unique311i found it.19:25
unique311i'm going to give it a try, and see how big the screen is.19:25
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Andy80I'd like to test MaemoWordpy on my N810. I've just updated the application catalog, but latest available version is 0.5 not 0.6, where can I find it?19:45
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alteregoAndy80, the catalog might not be up-to-date. Have you tried installing the install file anyway and seeing what version _that_ says it is?19:58
solmumahaalterego: pm19:59
Andy80I clicked on this install file to install it:
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solmumahaprivate message20:00
Andy80as you can see:
Andy80the repository is not updated....20:00
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Andy80how can I install it if the repository is not updated?20:01
alteregoYou can't.20:01
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lcukw00000t - the house hadn't burnt down20:05
* lcuk is always happy when it doesn't happen20:06
solmumahahave you been unhappy about that?20:06
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solmumahameaning has it burned sometime?20:08
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* lcuk has had fire department at his home before now yes20:09
lcukit wasnt so serious today, just the computer had fallen off the net20:10
solmumahaah, i know the feeling20:10
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solmumahamy house gets a lightning strike few times a summer20:10
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lcukthat cant be good for your hair20:12
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solmumahaguess not, if i had it20:13
lcukyou could try sudo apt-get hair20:14
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solmumahathat would upset the wife20:16
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unique311got it at full speed.  but the screen is tiny.20:21
pupnik_what at full speed?20:21
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unique311lynx emu20:21
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unique311super tiny display20:21
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Taknext xmaeme will have handy_sdl support20:26
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unique311you found 0.2? or you playing around with 0.1?20:28
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TakI used the usage info from 0.120:29
aspiersis there a howto for creating maemo repos?20:30
K-Foxa size of n800 is suited to portable device?20:30
TakK-Fox: what?20:30
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unique311<K-Fox> a size of n800 is suited to portable device20:33
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unique311the n800 size is suited for a portable device? maybe20:35
unique311even that dont make sense20:35
unique311the size of the n800 is suited for a portable device.20:35
||cwaspiers: same as a debian one20:36
pupnikdepends on size of pockets20:36
unique311i'm just trying to make sense of K-Fox words20:36
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||cwK-Fox: your question makes no sense20:37
unique311K-Fox, the answer is yes.20:37
K-Foxok , i learn a english20:38
unique311don't worry20:38
unique311maybe someone in here speaks in you native language.20:38
||cwK-Fox: that's fine, but your question seemed to either missing important words or a complete misunderstanding of what an n800 is20:39
TakI think a great functionality for google translate would be: enter some text in language A, select that it was previously autotranslated from language B, and have it derive a different/better equivalent of what the language-A text is supposed to be20:39
K-Foxago a some day , i did buy the n800 in ebey20:39
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unique311you like it K-Fox?20:40
|tbb|cu later20:41
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K-FoxTak/  google translate can not increase my english skill20:42
TakI agree20:42
Takit doesn't increase my skill with non-english languages, either20:42
K-Foxthank you20:42
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K-Foxok i like the maemo system based linux20:47
lcukk-fox, maemo is very good :)20:48
TakI do too.20:48
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lcuk:( bye bye foreign maemo user20:54
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lcuki bet he will poke around with it like we would with a chinese language version20:54
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Takkorean, in this case20:55
lcukyer noticed20:55
lcukdidnt know whether we could paste unicode in here else i would have tried20:55
GeneralAntilleslcuk, it's entirely client-side.20:55
pupnik 'suited' means appropriate or fitting, so he was asking if the size is a good one for a portable device20:56
lcukyer but if i paste unicode chars i wasnt sure if they would get truncated back to ascii and then look like crap20:56
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Takpupnik: that still doesn't make sense to me, though20:56
GeneralAntillesThe server will send them as you send them.20:57
lcukyer but since each word has multiple maenings without professional translation korean and other languages literally do get lost in translation20:57
pupnikagree Tak, the question behind the question was unclear20:57
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vandenoeveryay, mplayer is nice21:00
vandenoevernow i'd like to make buttons that start mplayer with a radiostream21:01
vandenoeveris that easily possible?21:01
pupnikbuttons where?21:01
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pupniklooking at XGngeo a bit here... looks great unique311  :)21:03
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unique31116-3 coming in a bit.  fixed it up a bit more.21:08
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Luriaanyone know where that 770 compatible phone list is?21:10
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vandenoeverpupnik: in a small app or bookmark list or in a start menu category21:12
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vandenoeverpupnik: as long is it is easily start and stoppable for a newbie21:13
lcuk  ccjfhfhjfjhgnghnjjggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggnb21:13
Takwe really need at least one op in here21:14
unique311lcuk, is falling sleep on keyboard?21:15 is toooo sloowwww :|21:16
vandenoeverscript: the machine or the code?21:16
scriptvandenoever: who cares?21:16
Takmaybe he's having a seizure; somebody should call 911, or 999, or whatever the geography-appropriate phone code is21:16
scriptit's unusable21:16
jacques-worklooks more like a cat or a small child typing21:16
vandenoeverscript: ah the website, yeah, it's pretty slow21:16
solmumahaor fire21:16
Takmaybe his cat's having a seizure21:16
solmumahaor is on fire21:16
vandenoeverscript: it's to pretend it's popular ;-)21:16
unique311maybe he spilled his coffee or drink on his keyboard.21:17
unique311and in trying to wipe it clean.21:17
scriptvandenoever: maybe ;)21:17
Tak...because he had a seizure when he discovered that his cat was on fire21:17
unique311The world will never know21:18
solmumahaa valid assumption21:18
scriptand whotf limited that changelog field to 400 chars21:18
unique311unless he tells us why21:18
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scriptbut i just discovered a great new way of taking screenshots on a real device21:19
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Takcamera + mirror?21:19
scriptssh to the device, ssh -X back to your workstation and do something like xwd -root21:20
Takthere is an actual screenshot app for the device...21:20
scriptconsider my procedure "the easy way" ;-)21:21
unique311works really good21:21
unique311and you can uplaod to flickr account with it21:21
scriptdo i look like some social-networking-victim?21:21
TakI consider clicking a button "the easy way" :-P21:21
unique311shameless plug.
unique311social networking victim, so thats what i'm known as.21:22
unique311I love the facebook.21:22
scriptit's the dead of all privacy ;)21:23
scriptor is it death?21:23
fugitivoi'm working on a home plugin for facebook21:23
* script could never remember that .. ;)21:23
pupnikvandenoever: in mplayer, enter the url of your stream in the window to the right of the 'play' button, then press play21:23
unique311fugitivo, you will be god in my eyes.21:23
Takit's ok to give up privacy voluntarily21:23
lcukdfjtrgjt4jharghhh, sorry for keyboard intrusion - youngest again i thought i had closed this21:23
oilunique311: urg. it's nice tool to find old friends, but all the 'hey. this is wonderfull application. install install install it. I send it to my 242 closest friends' .. that's no no.21:23
vandenoeverpupnik: i'm using the commandline version ...21:24
fugitivojust waiting for my n810 to test it...21:24
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unique311oil, you choose to install the apps.21:24
pupnikbtw mplayer doesn't have a 'stop' button if you start a stream that way21:24
unique311some of those apps are hard to resist21:24
oilunique311: nope. naturally no.21:24
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vandenoeverpupnik: but xterm does :-)21:24
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unique311oil, I think will facebook, all those little applications are installed by choice.  but it is pretty hard not to install them when you friends have them installed, and you need it to be social21:27
unique311don't know how to use that damn bot for the life of me.21:27
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Takit requires the trailing slash, I believe21:28
unique311will = with21:28
infobotunique311 meant: with = with21:28
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oilunique311: that's true. therefore I'm waiting for the next big sosial network thing. I added an account by curiosity and to learn about it.21:28
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lcukirc is gonna be massive ;)21:29
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unique311orkut is pretty cool21:29
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oillcuk: that should be! :)21:29
unique311but not alot of people know about it.21:29
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unique311the google social net21:30
oilirc is almost 20 years old now. mature technology :)21:30
lcukorket is big in brazil so i heard21:30
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unique311big in india also, seems like21:31
oillcuk: the name 'orkut' is not very good for finnish markets.21:31
Takdon't keep us in suspense; give us the translation!21:32
lcukoooer what does it mean there21:32
oilit basically means 'multiple orgasms' .. well.. maybe good for some sosial networking ;)21:32
unique311orkut or orket21:32
Takthat sounds like the perfect name for finnish markets21:33
oilkeep that in mind if you send invitations to finnish friends ;)21:34
fugitivoanyone controlling the air conditioner with LIRC and an IR transmitter?21:35
keesjfugitivo: lol , no21:36
GeneralAntillesIf only my cheap-ass window unit were that cool.21:36
keesjI only use it for kern-fusion21:37
fugitivoi have a hauppauge pvr 250 that came with an IR receiver-transmitter and I want to use it to control my AA making a web interface for my tablet :)21:38
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solmumahafugitivo: ir attached to pc with lirc?21:49
solmumahathere is a project at the garage for an ui21:50
solmumahajust make lirc listen to a tcp socket21:50
fugitivoactually, what I need is programming lirc with the codes for the AA21:51
solmumahayou have the remote for it?21:54
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solmumahawell irrecord should do it21:54
solmumahaif lirc has drivers for your transceiver21:55
fugitivoyes, I'm trying that but I don't remember if lirc is configured OK, I did it long time ago and I remember it was a mess21:55
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fugitivoI think I'm going to do it from the beggining21:56
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oevergreat, mplayer streaming also kills my wireless router22:10
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GeneralAntillesSounds like you need a less-crappy router.22:10
oeverit took more than 1.5 hours for it to do so though22:10
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oeverGeneralAntilles: it comes with the connection, no other option22:10
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lophyteI think maybe I'm going to pick up an 8gb sd card22:24
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lophyteplenty of room for kde and playing22:25
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pupniklooks like the $MV "/home/user/.icons" "/home/user/iconsBAK"  trick isn't working on my os200822:28
pupnikfor synergy22:28
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lophytehrm, if I get an 8gb sd card, I can split it in half, 4gb for generic storage and 4gb for kde22:34
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lcuk_2does anyone use Anjuta as their ide and does it handle maemo projects well?22:54
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Tama^2join #maemo-it23:08
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Tama^2Hello ^^;23:08
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* Tak /ignore #maemo-it people :-P23:15
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Tama^2 /mock #maemo-it people23:18
Takequally good23:18
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zookiehi :o23:22
sbaturziowell...I've solved my problem of one month ago23:23
Takcalendar out of sync?23:23
sbaturziothe problem was connecting the N800 to my linux pc with the usb cable23:23
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sbaturzioonly one SD card was visibile23:23
sbaturzionow I've solved adding the CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y option to the kernel23:24
GeneralAntillesI think Nokia updated the released code.23:24
GeneralAntillesI know fanoush had some trouble with the modified 50-2 kernel.23:24
sbaturzioin other words: linux must probe more Logical Unit on the SCSI device to enable both SD cards23:24
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Takwow - I can't believe that wasn't enabled by default23:25
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sbaturzioTak: you mean that option on kernel? I'm using a custom kernel O:-)23:27
lcuk_2would that be visible to windows or is the drive formatted as something else?23:27
TakI'm surprised it's not enabled by default when you enable scsi23:28
Takand if it was, allow me to quote Grandma Milhouse: "Idioto!"  :-P23:29
sbaturzioTak: don't know if that option is enabled by default, my .config is really messed up23:29
Taklcuk: I used to use anjuta; it handled most c and c++ makefile- and autotools-based projects pretty well23:29
sbaturzioTak: better "Idiota!" :-D23:29
Takare you telling me that you're female, or that the simpsons were wrong?23:31
lcuk_2tak, i gather then i can get it setup to produce maemo applications?  it seems a little more targeted than exclipse which has always felt like a trainwreck to me23:31
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Takis it possible? yes.  is is trivial? dunno23:32
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lcuk_2fair enough, ill have a looksee.23:33
sbaturzioTak: there is no "idioto", it's a non existant word23:33
sbaturzioTak: "idiota" could be used for male and female23:34
TakThat's it - I'm never watching the simpsons again.23:34
zookiescary idea23:34
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zookiethats  like never reading  dilbert again :/23:35
sbaturzioor userfriendly23:35
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GeneralAntillesIt's been about 7 seasons since the Simpsons were funny.23:36
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zookiewell, takes some time tilll newer seasons are shown on german tv ;)23:37
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BlafaselGeneralAntilles: You seem to have rather strong opinions. The N810 sucks, Simpson isn't funny and life was better ~ 10 years ago? ;) Well, I still like both.23:44
|tbb|blasfasel  hey23:45
zookiewell life was better 10 years ago :) being 21 then23:45
|tbb|what about iodine23:46
Blafasel|tbb|: Good that you mention it. Give me a sec, I'll start it right away.23:46
Blafaselzookie: hrhr.. Nice one.23:46
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GeneralAntillesLife was better ten years ago?23:52
GeneralAntillesWhat's the matter with strong opinions, anyway?23:52
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BlafaselOkay, I pulled one third of my claims out of my a.. ;)23:53
GeneralAntillesI'd say so, 10 years ago I was 1023:53
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BlafaselNothing, they are quite common. Especially in IT, imo.23:53
Blafasel|tbb|: My AP doesn't like me right now, have to check what's up..23:54
zookiemm 10... funny age23:55
zookiethere were no mobiles when i was 10... lovely :)23:56
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zookieBlafasel, just hit it with a  stick23:58

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