IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2008-01-24

lcukNOOO your tablet should never be "in beer"00:00
penguinbaittrade tablet at pub for guiness00:00
penguinbaitlots of guiness00:00
darkipbetter be a damn lot'o'beer for my n81000:00
lcuki dont think theres enough beer been brewed for make me give away this thing.00:01
darkipooh i dunno...00:01
darkipa massive keg maybe...00:01
lcukbut does a keg run linux?00:01
penguinbaitlifetime supply00:01
lophyteI think the buttons are one of /dev/input/eventN00:01
lophytethe question is, how to configure X to look there00:01
penguinbaitall you can drink?00:01
darkipsomeone must have made one which does00:01
lcukcan it answer lifes questions whilst snuggled up in bed with your loved one?00:02
penguinbaitI'd buy a new one :)00:02
darkipmy loved one steals mine to play mahjong00:02
lcuklolololol darkip - snap00:02
lcukand then she wont give it back00:02
darkipi hold the record though00:02
lcuki had to learn all about ssh and scp just to get a go00:02
darkipshe's gutted00:02
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lcukon a dark and cold evening when you find yourself asking the strangest questions this little nokia has saved us the hassle of getting out of bed turning on monitor blinding ourselves falling over the cat just to ask almighty google something00:04
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pupnikthat blerb is possibly the best ad copy i've ever seen for a tablet00:05
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darkipnope, i'm going with IRC on the toilet ;)00:06
penguinbaitI was wondering about the smell00:06
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GeneralAntillesPorcelain Throne Computer00:07
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maddlerheya penguinbait! my hero! :D00:11
maddlerand evening all as well! :D00:11
* mardi__ has PB down as a hero too00:14
penguinbaitI am no hero, Linus is the hero!00:15
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penguinbaitI am lowly penguin bait :)00:16
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maddlerpenguinbait: are not an hero :D00:31
maddlerpenguinbait: but let me thank you anyway :D00:31
* maddler is installing his new laptop :D00:32
fugitivoanyone with Asus Eee?00:32
maddlerfugitivo: not me (yet)00:33
fugitivoi think i'm going to buy one00:33
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maddlerI was considering it too... but just changed my mind...00:33
maddlerjust bought a 13.3 laptop for almost same price...\00:33
maddlerand I have the n810...00:34
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|tbb|hi all00:49
|tbb|maddler: r u around00:49
|tbb|have you fixed continues reboot loop00:49
|tbb|i had disabled lifeguard thing, but now white screen, cant ssh into it cause it wont automaticly connect to my ap00:50
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|tbb|any way to save data from /00:50
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elbugh my order is backordered00:55
* elb cuts letstalk.com00:55
elbthey didn't feel the need to tell me that *yesterday*00:55
GeneralAntillesletstalk is such a joke.00:55
GeneralAntillesNokia really shoulda just dealt with people direct.00:56
elbI have to assume there is a reason they did not00:56
elbbut for only 500 users ... I'm surprised00:56
GeneralAntillesI'm sure there are reasons, but still. :P00:56
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xmentI have a small problem: n800 (with OS2008) when connected to adapter says 'Not charging' after about 2 minutes of 'Charging'. Any suggestions?00:57
GeneralAntillesNokia adaptor?00:58
xmentyep, the original one00:58
GeneralAntilles"Not Charging" is usually under or over voltage.00:58
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xmentI've tested it on three different power networks00:59
elbis it being used out of its home country?01:00
elbthat doesn't usually matter any more, but ... I do have a Sony charger from Japan that occasionally rebells at US voltages01:00
xmentthere's "Mady in china" written on adaptor so I guess yes01:02
|tbb|GeneralAntilles: any idea if its possible to tell the device with flasher or so it shoult try to connect to an ap if its available01:02
GeneralAntillesHighly doubtful.01:03
xmentbut it's standard middle-europe plug and I've bought it in this country01:03
|tbb|if i hit power button i get the dialog of shutting down and so, but everything else is white01:04
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b0unc3someone have tried debian-arm ?01:14
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johnxI tried it :)01:14
b0unc3johnx: :P01:14
johnxhave a question about it?01:15
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b0unc3johnx: yes... in the wiki I read "Simply untar this onto an empty ext2/3 partition." so I need an extra partition?01:16
johnxdo you have boot from SD setup?01:16
b0unc3johnx: yes01:16
b0unc3johnx: you are refferring to the same partition from which I boot or another one ?01:17
johnxit needs a completely blank ext2 parition that you can boot from the bootmenu01:18
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b0unc3uhm... ok ... maybe I understand :P01:19
johnxyou can backup your SD card and put debian on the parition you already have01:19
maddler|tbb|: alive?01:20
|tbb|with my white shiny n81001:21
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maddlerbtw... if you haven't auto connection... sad but true... I cannot see a way to recover w/o flashing01:21
|tbb|--boot, -b [arg]              Boot the kernel with optional cmdline whats that01:22
|tbb|flasher utility says01:22
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|tbb|recover means lost data then, right01:24
maddlerunless you don't have a recent backup...01:24
|tbb|so then lets go01:25
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fugitivoMy nokia n810 is backordered!!!01:33
GeneralAntillesI read that as "backdoored".01:34
|tbb|fugitivo: youve got it allready?01:35
maddlerGeneralAntilles: hehehe...01:35
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fugitivoI placed the order yesterday in the USA store, I'm checking the order status now and it says "backordered"01:36
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|tbb|wow 313kb downloading latest fw rls01:38
fugitivoETA: Feb 12 200801:38
fugitivothat sucks01:38
fugitivoi waited that long for this01:39
lcukthat sux to be honest.  was there a similar program for 770->800 release and was it as long and drawn out as this01:40
maddlernokia strategy for n810 is... err... odd!01:41
maddlerat least...01:41
fugitivothey should give priority to developers...01:41
maddlerabsolutely... but they didn't...01:41
lcukthey should give developers access to the devices when they go on sale in the country01:42
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lcukdidnt america get this device first yet they are waiting longest01:42
* Mousey still wants freeciv for os200801:43
* Mousey lives in a minority world. 01:43
* Mousey cries01:43
* Mousey lurks longer01:43
* Mousey ^_^01:43
fugitivoI'm from Argentina, and they don't sell the device here, getting it from USA is a pain in the ass...01:43
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|tbb|i wonder really what nokia got on their mind to let developers wait that long01:43
lcukfugitivo, how do you even manage it, here in england (without dev discount) credit card address had to match delivery address01:44
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lcukmousey - how well did it play on old devices01:45
b0unc3johnx: last question... there is any log if it dosen't starts?01:45
fugitivolcuk, that's the problem, a friend of mine lives in the USA and he bought it for me but he's comming here on feb 1st and ETA is feb 12... so, I don't know how I'll send it to my country01:45
johnxb0unc3, usb networking should be up from ~15 seconds after you it starts booting01:46
johnxb0unc3, did it not boot? or is that just a hypothetical question?01:46
lcukfugitivo, no doubt about it, your friend will have to time travel.01:47
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GeneralAntillesMousey, it's out.01:48
b0unc3johnx: seems not to boot01:48
fugitivoI'm so pissed off with this issue01:49
MouseyGeneralAntilles: it is?!01:49
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GeneralAntillesThere's a thread on ITT.01:49
* |tbb| says bye bye to his scripts and hello to naked n81001:49
fugitivoand I have a 770, no n800 so I can't test my chinook apps in a real device01:49
b0unc3johnx: btw... I'm testing it on a 77001:49
* Mousey excercizes his googlefingers01:49
johnxb0unc3, you might be more interested in this:
* Mousey googlepaws01:50
johnxif you want something that works01:50
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johnxb0unc3, once you've given it a couple minutes you could take out the card and look at the logs under /var/log01:51
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b0unc3johnx: ok, thanks01:51
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johnxactually...I know why usb networking won't come up for you: wrong module version01:51
johnxtake g_ether.ko from the /mnt/initfs on  your 770 and drop it in /root/modules on the card, replacing the g_ether.ko that's there01:52
MouseyGeneralAntilles: TY! just found the thread01:52
johnxthat might at least let you telnet to it01:52
b0unc3johnx: ok, I will try01:52
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|tbb|i didnt had a backup on n810 ;(01:56
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lcuk|tbb| is living proof that (a0 men cry, and (B) backups are required.01:56
lcukhlost much?01:57
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|tbb|and (c) never touch a running system01:57
johnxPSA: everyone should boot from SD card01:57
|tbb|was it moddest upgrade or rtfcom01:58
lcukwhat did you do to make it boom01:58
|tbb|upgraded modest email client and rtfcomm beta but i did a long time no reboot so then it could also be any other thing01:59
lcukive heard lots about this rfcomm or something making people reflash.  if it was a windows problem ppl would be up in arms. on here everyone seems to take it with a pinch of salt01:59
GeneralAntillesrtcomm, lcuk. :P02:00
GeneralAntillesIt's what people get for running REAL betas. :D02:00
|tbb|is it normal the led indicator which should lighten blue has a green corner02:00
lcuki know i wont be touching this r*comm thing even if it promises magical powers02:00
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GeneralAntilleslcuk, it's installed right now.02:00
GeneralAntillesComes with the OS.02:00
GeneralAntillesThe problem is with the beta release.02:00
lcukthen i shant be upgrading it02:01
lcukwhat does it give anyway?02:01
johnxmagical powers02:01
lcuklonger erections?02:01
GeneralAntilleslibpurple for the built-in chat client, basically.02:01
GeneralAntillesIt'll be quite fantastic once it's at final.02:01
lcukisnt beta meant to be "a bit buggy but basically there".  this is kindof alpha stage sounding code02:02
b0unc3johnx: there is a root password configured ?02:02
johnxb0unc3, now that you mention it...I don't know02:02
GeneralAntilleslcuk, only if you're google.02:02
* lcuk releases beta code to clients for testing final bits of layout02:03
johnxwell, the problem is the overreacting watchdog02:03
lcukit does sound worrying - i gather the devs of ftcomm know about all these failures02:03
* johnx wants a watch-zebra :|02:03
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|tbb|beta is what microsoft do all the time02:04
GeneralAntillesjohnx, hardly.02:04
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GeneralAntillesTry booting it without the watchdog.02:04
GeneralAntillesYou never get a desktop. :P02:04
johnxah, wow.02:04
b0unc3ok, I'm in :P02:04
johnxb0unc3, woo!02:04
johnxwhat did you have to do to make it work?02:04
|tbb|is it normal the led indicator which should lighten blue has a green corner02:04
b0unc3johnx: I have replaced the g_ether module and now... root@mytablet:/#02:06
b0unc3but screen is still blank :(02:06
johnxyeah, you'll probably need the 770 version of Xomap02:06
lcuktbb, its different colors depending on what its indicating. check the nokia manual for which colors mean which02:06
lcuki disabled all of them so i dunno02:06
b0unc3woow wifi seems to work too :P02:07
|tbb|its blue on the upper side and on the downer its green and it looks like defect ting02:07
johnxb0unc3, on the wiki page I put up, look for dpkg-repack02:08
johnxyou can use it to make a debian package of xserver-xomap from your rootfs02:08
lcuktbb, on 810?02:08
johnxer "...from your internal flash (IT200xOS)02:09
GeneralAntillesWTF is an "IT200xOS"? :P02:09
b0unc3johnx: yes.. I'm just trying02:10
johnxGeneralAntilles, then WTH do we the OS on the tablet, in general, non version specific terms?02:10
unique311x = #02:11
unique3116 7 802:11
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johnxb0unc3, I think I need to fix the instructions for how to use dpkg-repack...the equivs trick didn't work when I tried it again02:12
* lcuk cannot make his glowing end throb02:13
johnxI have no idea why but you'll probably have to dpkg-repack xserver-xomap and, extract the deb, in it's control file change tslib to libts0 and repack it02:14
lcukahhh made it go green + blue at same time02:14
johnxthe dependencies *should* work out without doing that, but they don't02:14
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lcukurg - just by rebooting battery indicator went from 1 pixel from full to 1 pixel from bottom02:15
pupnikwow thanks for mentioning dpkg-repack02:15
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b0unc3johnx: but dpkg-repack it's not installed 'by default' ?02:16
GeneralAntilleslcuk, the battery monitor is disturbingly awesome.02:17
GeneralAntillesDon't trust it. O_o02:17
johnxb0unc3, needed to cut down how big the tarball was02:17
johnxand dpkg-repack pulls in lots of depends on the dpkg-dev stuff02:17
lcukit sticks at the top until you shake the device.02:17
johnxlcuk, well you're shaking the eletricities out of it!02:18
|tbb|anyone knows dbus-scripts from graham cobb?02:18
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b0unc3johnx: yeah... I see.. 40MB...02:18
lcukam i the only one with a creaky back plate on the 81002:18
johnxcreaky? mine doesn't make noise but it slides all over the place02:19
johnxthe button pads on the front too02:19
GeneralAntillesNokia needs to learn how to make tight-fitting back panels.02:19
johnxa battery-lock (ala zaurus) wouldn't go amiss02:19
lcukit was worse before i put a big sticky rubber pad on the back02:19
lcukholds both pieces together but they still move02:20
b0unc3argh... Segmentation fault :(02:20
johnxb0unc3, from dpkg?02:20
johnxthat's not good :(02:20
b0unc3johnx: yep02:20
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GeneralAntilles770 was better.02:20
GeneralAntillesThe tab on the panel on my N800 is turning coppery.02:21
lcukthe thing is, nokia CAN make decent devices - they make practically bomb proof phones ffs02:21
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johnxI think the tablets are kind of a parts bin project or something :/02:23
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure if step 5 is gonna be better or worse.02:23
johnxGeneralAntilles, mine already finished changing colors. It really doesn't look bad once it's solid copper-colored02:23
GeneralAntillesIt could end up losing all its hacker awesomeness.02:23
GeneralAntillesThe metal edge around the face-plate is all scuffed up, too.02:24
GeneralAntillesDropped it one too many times.02:24
lcukat least because it feels flimsy you are more afraid of dropping it02:24 forward to 2010 and the N1010 "Can we please get a d-pad as good as the 770 had!"02:24
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lcukand a front cover02:24
GeneralAntillesNokia is gonna move to Smart Media cards02:24
johnxor xd memory02:25
johnxbut seriously, that d-pad is inexcusably bad02:25
GeneralAntillesThe whole one step forward, two steps back deal is old already.02:25
johnxI can't think of a single phone or handheld I've *ever* used with a d-pad half as bad02:26
lcukbut at least you can monitor where you are going with your backsteps *02:26
lcuk* if you stand outside in the garden for 20 minutes first02:26
GeneralAntillesI really hope WiMAX wont be in the default tablet configuration.02:26
* Mousey reads the scrollback and dispairs02:27
johnxb0unc3, are you using wifi?02:27
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b0unc3johnx: no... no wireless tools :(02:27
johnxgah! I lose!02:27
pupniki'm reminded of IBM saying 'we don't want color graphics in our PC computers because these are serious machines"02:27
lcukmousey, the thing is, for all the bitching, you would have to get the device out of my cold dead hands.  its the most awesomest device ive ever owned02:27
GeneralAntillesPeople talk about it like it's some holy grail of connectivity, but does anybody have any idea what the potential pricing is gonna be?02:28
Mouseylcuk: i'm on my first, the n810. I have friends with the 770 and 800 who love them. but yea. I have a few design suggestions02:28
GeneralAntillesAmen, lcuk.02:28
Mouseyotherwise, i'm in luv02:28
* GeneralAntilles still remembers unboxing his 770. :D02:28
lcukMousey, had an 810 for a month now and it was love at first sight.  one of the few moments i said "i have to have one of those"02:29
johnxGeneralAntilles, I'm note even so sure wimax will perform well. Poke at people using "clearwire" and look at all the problems they have using *fixed-location* wimax02:29
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pupnikthe N810 is the coolest looking thing i own.  I love taking pics of it :)
lcukpup, have you got your fingerprints on this one?02:30
pupnikhehehe the prints don't show on this pic02:30
lcukahhh... another partial02:30
johnxyeah, the N810s look really nice02:30
* lcuk will have you in the database soon02:30
* Mousey huggles his n81002:31
_berto_pupnik: is that a game or a video?02:31
* Mousey huggles freeciv and GeneralAntilles for teh linkage02:31
lcukpup, bottom right of the screen02:31
pupnikgame, Baldur's Gate 202:31
johnxI'll get one maybe later this year after a couple more price-cuts02:31
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_berto_pupnik: how do you run it?02:31
lcukpup, that looks wicked02:31
pupnikit's a work in progress _berto_ ...02:32
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pupnikno, GemRB, Open-Source Bioware Infinity Engine02:33
johnxb0unc3, even though iwconfig isn't installed, you should be able to use the wpa-ssid and wpa-psk parameters in /etc/network/interfaces to get a net connection up02:33
_berto_never heard about it, thanks :)02:33
b0unc3johnx: I'm using usb-networking...02:33
b0unc3 ... any idea ?02:34
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johnxb0unc3, looking. anything suspicious in dmesg or /var/log/messages ?02:34
_berto_pupnik: are you the developer?02:35
lcukTHe nokia 8x0 is specially designed to be used with wine.  just open the bottle drink and type.02:35
Mousey<psa>don't drink and type</psa>02:36
pupnik_berto_: no.  i'm a cheerleader, more or less.  hoping to generate interest in it and get some developer on board to work on it.02:36
_berto_that's great, and how stable is it? :)=02:36
johnxb0unc3, did you apply the "memory corruption during wlan use" fix. I'm just guessing at stuff here...02:36
_berto_"GemRB is quite complete, especially regarding bg2" , sounds good02:36
b0unc3johnx: Nothing ...02:37
pupnikit hasn't crashed yet.  but there are many open issues and bugs.  it's a vastly complicated game.02:37
GeneralAntillesjohnx, might as well wait for the N900.02:37
GeneralAntillesN810 isn't a serious upgrade over the N800.02:37
_berto_i imagine02:37
johnxGeneralAntilles, thet lack of keyboard *hurts* though02:38
b0unc3johnx: no.. I have not applied it ...02:38
GeneralAntillesLearn to use that fullscreen keyboard. :P02:38
johnxI think if you have the latest 2007HE you have it automatically though02:38
b0unc3I have ITOS200602:38
pupnikif you want to help, then download latest gemRB svn and build it on your linux pc02:38
johnxGeneralAntilles, yeah, it's still no good for: 1) chatting, 2) terminal use02:38
lcukjohn, best thing to do - if you can find someone to take the 800 of your hands (since its not obsolete yet) you get a nice down payment for the upgrade02:39
pupnikthen check out forums, wiki, load some savegames and do some testing02:39
GeneralAntillesI use it for both, johnx. :P02:39
johnxGeneralAntilles, well, you're crazy and possibly masochistic. :P02:39
lcukpupnik, which ide do you use for coding?02:40
johnxlcuk, I know that would be the sensible thing to do :)...but in many ways I like my N80002:40
johnxI think I'd just like to have both :D02:40
lcukas GeneralAntilles says, theres nothing wrong with 80002:40
GeneralAntillesDual SDHC!02:40
lcukim already planning for an 800 emergency device02:40
lcuk(emergency = missus playing mahjong)02:40
pupnikI don't really code lcuk.  just tweaks..  vi...02:40
lcuk"why do you wanna waste so much money on that"02:41
lcuk"ooooh it looks pretty, and whats that game"02:41
* lcuk will never understand women02:42
johnxlcuk, ahahaha.02:42
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johnxmy wifi module doesn't remember it's MAC under Debian :|02:45
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johnxand falls back on a hilarious default: 00:02:ee:c0:ff:ee02:46
jotthehe not that bad at least ;)02:46
johnxifconfig will let me set it to whatever I it doesn't really matter...02:46
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johnxI wonder if a Nokia guy picked the MAC or the actual chip designer02:47
Tama^2When my gf picks up my n800 I ssh into it and get flite to tell her inappropriate things02:47
* GeneralAntilles has done that, except with AppleScript02:48
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b0unc3there is something very strange...02:49
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b0unc3dpkg -x give me 'Illegal instruction' ... :(02:50
johnxthat's no good :(02:50
johnxso you haven't applied the wireless did you put this file on your 770? Did you transfer it over wireless to the tablet?02:51
johnxor use a card reader on your desktop?02:51
|tbb|how hard is it to compile that for chinook?02:51
b0unc3johnx: usb-cable02:51
johnxah, ok02:51
johnxb0unc3, this whole situation is strange. There's another guy on itt forums who has debian installed on a 770 and he didn't run into this I assume02:52
johnxis there anything relevant in dmesg?02:52
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b0unc3johnx: no...02:54
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lcukcan i use kdevelop on the xubuntu vmware image as an ide, or rather is it easy for a newb like me to set it up and configure it for use..02:55
johnxb0unc3, either way, you might want to install the wifi memory corruption fix:
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b0unc3johnx: I tried the deb.. but there is no way to install it02:56
johnxah...that was kind of off the debian topic02:57
johnxthat .deb will only work in IT2006OS02:57
b0unc3ah ok, my mystake.02:57
johnxno problem...I tend to randomly switch topics without warning. :)02:58
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GeneralAntillesThere's that strange new OS again . . .02:58
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johnxfor some reason I got it into my head that was the "official" name and haven't been able to shake it03:01
* thoughtfix wanders ack03:01
thoughtfixWhat's exciting today?03:01
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penguinbaitdoes skype do video calling, or only audio?03:01
penguinbaitor should I say skye on tablet?03:02
thoughtfixOnly audio so far on the tablets03:02
penguinbaitcan you googletalk video call between 800 and 810?03:03
penguinbaitcool, I have not played with that stuff in a while03:04
penguinbaitcan you do pc also?03:04
penguinbaitgtalk 800/810 to pc?03:05
GeneralAntillesWith Gizmo03:05
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thoughtfixGizmo - not skype03:06
penguinbaitso if I want to make free video calls between tablets  which is better gtalk or gizmo?03:06
penguinbaitis gizmo free?03:06
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b0unc3bah... nothing changed.. :(03:07
penguinbaitnetsplit crap!03:07
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GeneralAntillesGizmo is free Gizmo-to-Gizmo03:07
GeneralAntillesSmall fee per minute for Gizmo-to-Phone03:08
penguinbaitwhats better gizmo or gtalk?03:08
johnxb0unc3, :( I have no ideas, unfortunately.03:08
penguinbaitis gtalk still flakey?03:08
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GeneralAntillespenguinbait, they're kinda two different things.03:09
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GeneralAntillesGizmo is more of a voip thing like Skype. GTalk is more chat.03:09
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GeneralAntillesFor strictly tablet-to-tablet, gtalk works fine.03:09
GeneralAntillesFor tablet-to-anything else, use Gizmo.03:10
johnxb0unc3, the only thing that I can think of is is that the wifi memory corruption bug might have already caused disk corruption03:10
penguinbaitso you cant do video over gtalk anymore?03:10
GeneralAntillesYou can just use both side-by-side, though.03:10
GeneralAntillesTo other tablets, you can.03:10
johnxb0unc3, Unfortunately I don't have a 770 to test with03:10
b0unc3johnx: uhm... looks strange to me... btw thanks for your help!03:11
penguinbaitwhat is a deep hole in the ground?03:12
thoughtfixVideo calls don't work to the 770 obviously03:12
johnxb0unc3, sure. It would be great to get this figured out for the 770 so I can add this to the wiki. I'm sure a lot of 770 users will be interested in this03:12
thoughtfixPenguinbait you wise-ass03:12
johnxso, if you get it working I definitely want to hear. :D03:12
penguinbaittoo long on your pause :)03:13
b0unc3johnx: ok03:13
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penguinbaitman I love the 81003:13
thoughtfixI still don't have one03:13
penguinbaitthis this is awesome03:13
penguinbaitwhy the hell would you give it away?03:14
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penguinbaitif you didnt have another one03:14
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GeneralAntillesthoughtfix, you had your chance to steal yours. :P03:14
penguinbaitI am typing like a 13 year old girl between classes03:14
thoughtfixThe one I had was preproduction03:15
thoughtfixI had to send it back03:15
GeneralAntillesGoody two-shoes. :P03:15
thoughtfixOh man03:15
pupnikdid you hear back from your contest winner thoughtfix ?  how is she enjoying the n810?03:15
penguinbaitdid you get a coupon?03:15
thoughtfixI didn't apply. I am not a developer03:16
GeneralAntillesBut they specifically stated it wasn't just for devs.03:16
penguinbaitneither am I03:16
penguinbaitbut you didnt need to be :)03:17
thoughtfixReally? My bad03:17
thoughtfixI'd rather it go to someone else03:17
penguinbaitnot me03:17
thoughtfixMy N800 is being troublesome though03:17
thoughtfixStandby <8 hours03:17
penguinbaitI would rather it go to you03:17
thoughtfixWith NO use03:17
thoughtfixI'll get mine03:17
GeneralAntillesGot something running away in the background?03:17
thoughtfixJust need for marketing to have one to spare03:18
johnxthoughtfix, with wifi connected?03:18
penguinbaitmany people got one I though not deserving03:18
GeneralAntillesCorrupted internal with VM enabled and metalayer-crawler are two favorites.03:18
thoughtfixNo ... it was sitting in my jacket all day at work03:18
thoughtfixThis has been giving on all week03:18
thoughtfixI removed the two SD cards03:18
thoughtfixand will charge tonight03:18
thoughtfixand run the same test tomorrow03:18
GeneralAntillesRSS has come up, too.03:18
johnxso was it in offline mode or looking for wifi?03:18
GeneralAntillesThat, too.03:18
thoughtfixBut tomorrow my Chumby arrives too03:18
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GeneralAntillespenguinbait, very much agreed there.03:19
thoughtfixFinally ordered one03:19
thoughtfixNo ... there was nothing running at all03:19
johnxI accidentally left the network chooser up once when I put it in my pocket. After 20 minutes it claimed it had like ~1 hour batter life left. Switched to offline mode and it said it was good for another 6 hours of use03:19
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* lcuk will never touch his 810 again, battery going from full to empty with a single reboot is strange03:20
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penguinbaitme too03:20
GeneralAntilleslcuk, that's normal.03:20
johnxlcuk, happened on my n800 too03:20
penguinbaitme too03:20
fysaI've noticed that.03:20
GeneralAntillesJust Nokia's crappy battery monitoring.03:20
johnxthe battery applet is full of lies03:21
fysaI believe the issue is poor monitoring.03:21
penguinbaitonly on my 81003:21
pupnik"The N810 is something my wife (who is not technology focused) will use. She likes to sit and watch a movie and know the actors and actresses. She'll have IMDb open and will look up the the movie while she's watching." -  Victor Brilon03:21
penguinbaitno it will go back to full03:21
lcukyou mean "the battery is a lie?"03:21
GeneralAntillesHappened to me on the two Nokia phones I've had, too.03:21
fysaif you so much as breathe on the N810, it takes the opportunity to waste some watts.03:21
lcuki thought it was only the cake03:21
penguinbaitsomething is funky03:21
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johnxlcuk, nope batteries too. there were many, many lies.03:21
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thoughtfixOh by the way03:22
thoughtfixIt seems I am going to Brazil for Openbossa03:22
lcuktoday even though there is NO automatic connection or recheck interval (i have it confirgured to stay connected, but not to connect automatically) i found it had connected03:22
* lcuk has a gremlin03:22
GeneralAntillesUh, Don't Fear the Penguin, The Other Pocket, and Filtering User Feedback!03:22
lcuki was reading last night with the last hour of battery - thats how i know i disabled it - i didnt want charger cable over me...03:23
* lcuk forced longer life03:23
GeneralAntillesSomething could've called the network.03:23
johnxGeneralAntilles, like ... gremlins?03:23
lcukwell if i had been unplugged it would have drained battery03:23
lcuklike has been occuring03:23
GeneralAntillesOpening a browser window or sumuch.03:23
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lcukbut nothing should call network since its all set to no automatic03:24
lcuki closed fbreader and put it down03:24
lcuk(actually got round to closing it now each night)03:24
thoughtfixAntilles: The choice is "Noise to Signal"03:24
thoughtfixAs per the previous conversations and feedback03:24
thoughtfixI bring it up today to ask you all03:25
thoughtfixwhat are developers or users doing WRONG when trying to communicate with each other?03:25
penguinbaitmine was full last night, then showed completlyn drained this morning, I rebooted twice on my way to work and all the sudden it showed completely full03:25
lcukspending too much time explaining their own dev environment or favorite settings instead of getting on with the job of actual development03:25
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penguinbaiti never charged it03:26
GeneralAntillesIt feeds off your soul, penguinbait.03:26
thoughtfixlcuk: Expand on that03:26
lcukfor other systems all the way from the spectrum upwards there has been general consensus on which dev environment to use.  with this device there is just too much choice03:26
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penguinbaitas does the rest of the imaginary world I live in does:)03:26
lcuktoo many routes to get to the same goal03:26
johnxthoughtfix, devs: not always setting expectations properly, users: buying into hype03:27
GeneralAntillesOr just generating too much hype on their own.03:27
thoughtfixjohnx: I can see that in the developer side... Are you saying users should be more skeptical when dealing with developers?03:27
lcukit dilutes the effect somewhat and means that everyone is working on their own perfect version instead of working together to make a stable platform03:28
thoughtfixI can add a point that developers should behave as such - not as marketers03:28
penguinbaitas flav says dont believe the hype03:28
pupnikyeaaa boyeeee03:28
thoughtfixActually that's a very good point. Developers are NOT marketers03:28
thoughtfixYet so many try to be03:29
penguinbaitmost arnt good sysadmins either :)03:29
johnxthoughtfix, I guess in a way I'm thinking about the relationship between Nokia and users, not so much open source devs03:29
penguinbait<-- ducks03:29
thoughtfixHahaha ... I am a sysadmin first, a blogger second, and a developer ... a developer probably 61st or so... right behind "cable chewer"03:30
thoughtfixI can write a mean shell script!03:31
johnxpart of the communication problem is that users don't really think about or understand the amount of time and effort that goes into programming03:31
penguinbaitme too thoughtfix03:31
penguinbaitgreat sysadmin, not a developer at all03:31
johnxalso, they don't understand that their relationship between them and an open source dev is different then between them and a commercial dev03:32
thoughtfixSo users expect devs to over-deliver on their promises?03:32
penguinbaitI do a mean , ./configure; make; make install03:32
thoughtfixDon't forget to make clean when you're done, you filthy bug03:32
johnx(some) users expect devs to bend to their every whim03:32
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thoughtfixYes... I can see that too03:33
johnxa little politeness goes a long way, too03:33
thoughtfixAnd every user thinks their idea is the best ;)03:33
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johnxthere needs to be like an etiquette guide for them or something03:33
penguinbaitbecause my ideas are best :)03:33
johnxfor both devs and users03:33
thoughtfixYour ideas ARE the best... right behind mine ;)03:33
thoughtfixThat's a GOOD idea johnx03:33
lcukthoughtfix, i am an experienced developer and have worked on applications from multiple platforms and in numerous languages but i have never had the sheer overwhelming feeling when starting with this maemo device.  its normally, here is the ide, theres the language, do your stuff.03:34
johnxdevs: don't yell at your users, users: just use common courtesy. Pretend this is real life, not the internet. Would you say that in real life?03:34
thoughtfixBy the way - thank you all for taking part in this conversation03:34
penguinbaitthats is how they behave in real life03:34
thoughtfixlcuk: So the dev environment is too ... varied?03:34
johnxpenguinbait, er...maybe sometimes...but I just can't picture it03:35
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lcukdifferent, not varied.  its the number of paradigms which must be overcome for each of them.  we have many types of cars and because i passed my test i can pretty much drive all of them, but linux involves knowing how to ride a unicycle a fork lift a truck and a space shuttle03:36
johnxpenguinbait,  I can't picture someone talking to their friend who just made them a new bookshelf, and saying "You should make it better looking now, and wider."03:37
penguinbaitthats because linux runs on a furby03:37
fysait requires a different mode of thinking.03:37
GeneralAntillesI'm incredibly impressed by the professionalism of the Canola guys.03:37
penguinbaitand a mainframe03:37
penguinbaitand 64 cpu power 5 server03:37
fysaunless you were a C64 user.03:38
johnxGeneralAntilles, yes. They're at the far end of the spectrum of "ideal developer"03:38
GeneralAntillesand a lot of their users are snot-nosed immature little pricks.03:38
* lcuk wipes his nose03:39
johnxhmm...maybe that's part of the problem. (some) users expect to say whatever they have on their mind, and have the developer act like someone trying to sell them something03:39
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lcuksaying what is on your mind is the only way to communicate.  using the right words to convey what you mean is a different story entirely03:40
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thoughtfixi have a furby03:40
johnxlcuk, very true03:41
GeneralAntillesSplit hairs much, lcuk. :P03:41
penguinbaiti had my kids nintendo ds boot linux03:41
thoughtfixThat's good ... let's roll with that. Why do open source developers do it?03:41
penguinbaiteven on the networrk03:41
lcuki wound my eldest up for ages that i would install linux on his ds03:41
abrilcAnyone with Streamtuner @os2008 could record some radio stations?03:42
lcukhe begged me not to because he thought he wouldnt be able to play games03:42
johnxthoughtfix, to scratch an itch.03:42
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thoughtfixjohnx: I just use Preparation H03:42
lcukas a developer if something doesnt do what you want it to its as easy to do it yourself.  then the projects sort of take off03:43
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lcukinstead of investing time and energy into making the original nearly right version work a whole new branch comes up03:43
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pupnikwe need to get zodttd a n80003:44
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thoughtfixHmm ... that makes sense03:45
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lcukthe end user who comes to the party after then has to choose a branch, each has its own nice bits but neither are perfect03:46
lcukif that end user is a developer, the cycle continues...03:46
johnxwell that's somewhat pessimistic03:47
thoughtfixLike how gpsdrive became maemo-mapper03:47
johnxthough I've definitely seen the trend03:47
jottand it's not really open source specific. floss is just more visible.03:47
thoughtfixI remember using gpsdrive on my Zaurus SL-550003:47
jott(as in transparent processes)03:47
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johnxusually, one version becomes visibly better than the others and people tend to standardize on it03:48
leo2007is the cpu for n810 same as for n800?03:48
lcukits less so in closed source circles because of 2 things: (1) you have already paid out money for the software.   (2) the work needed to completely rebuild an app is immense03:48
johnxleo2007, yes03:48
lcukleo2007, , yes03:48
thoughtfixYes... but OS2008 clocked up the CPU03:49
johnxthe problem can be when there aren't enough devs to go the zaurus distro situation03:49
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jottlcuk: well look at the shareware market for example. commercial software can't be generalized.03:51
leo2007thoughtfix: can it clock up n800?03:51
GeneralAntillesleo2007, they're the same CPU03:51
GeneralAntillesBoth devices run at the same speed under OS2008.03:51
lcukleo2007, yes when you install os2008, the max frequency on both the n800 and n810 is 400mhz03:51
lcukwith the 800 on os2007, its max is 330mhz03:52
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jottjohnx: yes, that's one of the major points, a community and/or commercial backing of the important projects03:52
leo2007nowadays n810 is much more expensive, can't decide which one to buy?03:52
tekonivelhave any of you heard of application for those headphone remote controllers that come with nokia phones?03:52
tekonivelideally the controller would produce just keypresses which are easy to map03:54
lcukjott, you make a good point about shareware programs, but is that just a hook. the whole code has usually been developed and the developer(s) want to let you try before you buy.  however quite obviously they want you to buy it.03:54
* lcuk spent £200 on a shareware application today03:55
jottlcuk: sure, but the main point I made was about visibility. in the floss world a project is released in a very early development stages and might be abandoned, in the commercial world those projects will never be seen.03:55
lcukall because we had a clear need. if it had not been shareware i would not have known it could do what i needed it to do03:56
tekoniveli've tried the microphone and it works03:56
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lcukjott, not every project is released that early.  hacking something together to prove a point is not the same as sitting down and spending a few months planning and developing a full application03:57
jottlcuk: well the better planned projects might even have better chances to survive. who knows.03:58
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jottbut still it's a common thing to release the code in a early stage in the hope to attract others that support it.03:59
jott(especially if it has no commercial backing, but then it's an other story)04:00
lcukive seen small apps developed on here in the last month with participation from members and will probably do similar myself once i get upto speed, but i would generally not consider these small tools to be killer apps04:02
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lcukmeanwhile there are a couple of appd being built quietly and steadily (still with input from others) which I am keeping a close eye on but am not expecting an instant single fix to make it the perfect app and fully expect them both to be in use far beyond any of the other utilities04:04
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* jott wonders what the "perfect app" would be ;)04:05
pupnikfor me, these bioware games, and a snes emulator, and a playstation emulator04:07
lcuki would consider perfect to be apps which make you want to continue looking at the screen04:07
jotthehe well that's quite a broad defintion of perfect :P04:08
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lcukjott, what do you do with your 81004:09
* lcuk considers games and internet to be secondary for himself04:10
jotton the "user" side, surfing, chatting, gaming, on the "admin" side, getting more and more sid backports running and on the "dev" side playing around with hildon :)04:11
jottso quite a few use cases depending on the mood ;)04:12
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lcukim more into reading and coding and think the screen is amazing to look at, much clearer and readable than my old pda.   i agree with your multi use, its a perfect device.04:13
jottindeed. the screen is really gorgeous as steve would say ;)04:14
lcukim watching the development of the pygtk editor come along with great interest because a specific target environment is what i need to remove myself of the desktop04:15
jottyeah my qvga ipaq looks quite anachronistic nowadays.04:15
lcukonce i can code away from this chair i can become comfy.  i go through note pads (jotting notes) whilst lay down and hate having to get up and code my ideas on the desktop and think laptops are too big.  the other thing i do whilst lay down is reading which i will be able to do once fbreader is tweaked04:17
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lcuknotice i say tweaked, once i get upto speed it is my intention to see how i can help with the project :)04:18
johnxfbreader is such an incredible project. :) It's incredible how many platforms it runs on04:18
lcukoh, xchat on the deive is awesome...04:19
jotti guess one could optimize fbreaders rendering speed.. page flips are quite slow.. other than that it's a great app04:19
lcukyer john, having some performance boosts specifically for the 8x0 will be beneficial to the project04:19
lcukive had a few other issues with it is as well, but the main dev is very responsive04:20
johnxyeah, he's been working on it for long time04:20
lcukjott, im used to kinetic scrolling on my old (MUCH slower pda)04:20
johnxI remember trying on of the first releases on my zaurus SL550004:20
johnxhmm...I'm not sure kinetic scrolling really has a place in an ebook reader04:21
jottlcuk: yeah well the high resolution brings minor problems ;)04:21
lcukjott, only because its trying to do 16bit color fullscreen refreshes.  its a book reader ffs - why cant i at last select single bitplane turbo update04:21
pupniki could sometimes use a jeweler's magnifying glass hood for the tablet04:21
pupnikbecause X is 1980s technology04:22
lcukpup, it was a problem at first, but set internet browser to have a minimum size font and fbreader to a big bold font and am loving it04:22
lcukhey, plenty of things were invented in the 80s and before and still work really well04:23
pupnikanyway how many fps do you need: i think the n8x0 is fast enough for scrolling fullscreen04:23
pupnikmaybe not fast enough for elegant smooth-as-silk kinetic scrolling04:24
GeneralAntillesKinetic scrolling doesn't make sense to me for an ebook reader.04:25
lcuki read sideways and see the screen redraw from left to right (charge socket at top), besides the app itself is just slow.  take away as much bloat as possible and you give back not just faster refresh but also better battery life and a more rounded experience04:25
lcukgen - ok, continuous scrolling, no page turns the book just scrolls down at a steady rate04:25
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lcukbut if i want to move about i should just be able to grab it and move it - similar to the minimo effect04:26
GeneralAntillesThat's something different entirely from kinetic. :P04:26
GeneralAntillesEh, you don't really have any points of reference with a book.04:26
lcuknahhh its not, kinetic is a known term now04:26
jottGeneralAntilles: it's kinetic just without friction ;P04:26
GeneralAntillesToo easy to lose your spot.04:26
johnxlcuk, the minimo effect...where you click and it takes all your memory and crashes? :P04:27
johnxbut yes. The code that does the rotation could probably be optimized04:27
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johnxat least the natural orientation of the N8x0 is landscape (has Zaurus Cxx00 flashbacks)04:28
lcukjohn, my browser rarely crashes, i dont play with scaling though and dont have crappy adjust thing.  maybe i just dont do that much04:28
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johnxah, microb04:28
johnxyou said minimo04:28
lcuk:S thought they were one and the same - sorry04:28
GeneralAntillesHaha, no.04:29
lcukjust knew it was (small) (something)04:29
lcukinternet browser was just too much for my tired fingers04:29
johnxfair enough04:29
GeneralAntillesminimo is a horrifying abortion of code04:29
GeneralAntillesmicrob is pure win. :P04:29
johnxI was just very confused by someone wanting to use minimo's behavior as a model instead of a warning04:29
lcukactually, i thought it was minimozilla - baby firefox as default on the 810 or am i totally wrong04:30
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johnxwell Nokia calls the gecko/firefox default browswer microb04:31
johnxminimo was a port of mozilla to WinCE that got ported to Linux04:31
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lcuki think i need to sleep04:35
johnxhappens, even to the best of us :)04:35
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jottyeah, if the caffeine level is below a certain threshold...04:36
johnxget this man an espresso! Stat!04:37
lcukstrangely enough i dont drink coffee at night04:37
jottonly black tea? ;)04:37
lcukhowever in the daytime at work its by the gallon04:37
johnxwell no wonder you end up sleeping04:37
lcukno, i swap it for cigs at night, cant smoke at my desk in work04:37
lcukthough my new evilness since the smoking ban came in is making my rollups in work04:38
lcuknever smoked inside, but also never made rollups back then either04:39
pupniki see my contributions to ITOS as part of a holy jihad against microsoft04:39
pupnikout of the rubble of my career rises a warrior forged by fire04:40
lcukpup, you are looking in the wrong direction, watch out for the symbian devices.  nokia might end up cutting linux out of the loop the way these other multi function devices are going04:40
pupnikcould be... then it's on to the next linux device...04:41
johnxlcuk, luckily intel is using hildon as well for their MIDs04:41
lcukim not done with the first yet04:41
lcukthat is good then :)04:41
johnxand libhildon is in debian...04:42
lcukdid i read right earlier that a full linux distro is moving towards arm as a standard target?04:42
johnxlcuk, moved. past tense04:42
johnxdebian has had an ARM build that was 90%+ complete for years04:42
lcukjust saw it in the scrollback think i was pontificating about something else04:42
johnxnow they and fedora have an armel build as well04:42
lcukahh cool. deb = strong and stable isnt it04:43
johnxthey're really serious about stable software04:43
johnxsometimes they don't react quickly to new stuff that quickly04:44
jottstrong or stable that is ;P04:44
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lcukjohn, thats a good thing, we dont know if this internet fad will last :P04:44
johnxheh...if I had to guess which would be around longer, the internet or debian I'd have to think about it04:45
penguinbaitthis is sweet, I am using IRC on kopete on n810, its uses flite with the ktts daemon and reads everything in #maemo04:48
johnxpenguinbait, that actually sounds kind of painful to listen to04:49
lcukpenguinbait, why dont you ask GeneralAntilles for the xchat beta ;)04:49
johnxis there a way to swtich voices in flite?04:49
penguinbaitonly one04:49
penguinbaitmaybe I will compile festival04:49
lcukhmmm could you make flite bring irc to life?04:50
lcukit would need different accents tho :P04:50
lcukright, with that thought im off to bed, nite all :)04:51
penguinbaitit  woould be cool if you could assign diff voice to diff people04:51
johnx'night lcuk04:51
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jottnite lcuk.04:52
jottlcuk: just start flite now and we can haunt your dreams ;)04:53
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johnxso, unless I misunderstand the situation, Xomap doesn't read from /dev/input/event2 (for example, the N800 buttons)07:22
johnxinstead hald-input-addon does07:22
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johnxI wonder if there are Nokia specific changes that I need to apply :/07:31
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sxpertanyone here got a call from Nokia customer service about them messing up with the value of the coupon ?08:36
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pupnikglass: if you work on gemrb i can send you a full set of original Baldur's Gate CDs09:10
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pupnikatari has also released a 4 DVD set of the full BG series, selling for around 12 euro in .de09:11
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cbx33hey guys09:18
cbx33how hard is it to make an applet for the front screen in maemo09:19
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kulvecbx33: not hard09:27
kulveit's called "home"09:27
hahloany weather app for os2008?09:29
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AlphaLuxdesktop applet09:29
maddler-810morning all, dudes09:30
kulvehahlo: -> search "weather"09:30
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hahlokulve: tried apt-cache search weather or omweather didn't find any09:35
johnxhahlo, search on the web page:
johnxit's probably in a repository that you don't have yet09:37
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hahlothat can be if some new repository has come09:38
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johnxthe repository has been around for a long time, but if you09:39
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johnxbut, if you don't see the omweather in the results of apt-cache search weather, then you don't have it yet :)09:40
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Lynoureomweather is nice... that + rss reader and I feel like I'm reading a newspaper :)09:42
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AlphaLuxyeah it's cool...effortless info09:44
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sxpertLynoure, I couldn't get omweather to work properly09:54
LynoureWhen I click on that Install now, and choose open, I get an error message "yhteensopimaton sovellutuspakkaus" ("uncompatible application package")09:55
sxpertlooks like suomi to me :-)09:55
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Lynouresxpert: it is... that's why I also translated it.09:56
Lynoureis that how it didn't work properly for you?09:57
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sxpertso I got this call from some nokia customer service person, asking if I had received my n810 and informing me that they messed up with the coupon, it being for 499 when it should have been for only 40009:57
sxpertLynoure, no, I couldn't find how to add my location09:58
sxpertthat call was pretty awkward09:59
pupniksxpert: what country did you order-in09:59
sxperthim "erh, well, we messed up yada yada"10:00
sxpertme "erh, well, you know, it's not really *my* problem"10:00
sxperthim "erh, sure, well, erh, goodbye"10:00
AlphaLuxlike the blood drive calling....can you spare a few pints? There is a shortage...10:01
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pupniksuspicious, even10:02
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sxpertpupnik, totally wierd10:03
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sxpertguess they'll have to swallow it...10:03
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pupnikthe german discount was also full price10:05
sxpertpupnik, heh. did you get a call yet ?10:05
pupnikso this leads me to question whether it was really an independent mistake of the french store, and whether that call was legitimate10:07
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Lynourehmm, I'm now having the same "Connecting..." connecting difficulties that I had with OS2007 before fiddling with some settings on the command line, but I no longer remember what those settings were10:08
Lynoureprobably caused by LaFonera being a hateful AP10:11
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thpif anyone wants to test Tennix (a 2D tennis game) on OS2008, here's the link to the package I've just released: it's not as fast as it should be, but single-player mode works and is quite fun10:13
sxpertLynoure, look no further. get yourself a buffalo and run openwrt10:14
AlphaLuxopenwrt is fantastic, I highly recommend it as well.10:15
Lynouresxpert: unfortunately I kinda like getting to use other ppl's fon APs, and would not want to have yet another device (replacement is ok, addition annoying)10:16
Lynouresxpert: Do you think this could be safely tried on OS2008: gconftool-2 --set --type int '/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/wlan_sleep_timeout'10:16
sxpertno idea10:17
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Lynoure'1000'  got cut off the end10:18
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Lynouredidn't seem to break anything at least10:34
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db48xmy n800 is stuck at the boot screen10:36
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Lynourehmm, I cannot figure out either how to add weather station to OS2008 OMWeather10:58
LynoureThe drop menus for country and stuff just do not work10:59
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LoCusFwhere do I put the key { ... } things in the file in this post? ->
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b0unc3Lynoure: reboot11:07
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hahloin what repository omweather supposed to be?11:09
Lynoureb0unc3: I'll do that later, but thanks for the hint.11:09
LynoureGotta run now11:09
hahlohi Lynoure and bye11:09
b0unc3Lynoure: np11:09
b0unc3hahlo: maemo extras iirc11:10
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hahlob0unc3: ok I check if I have that11:11
JaffaMorning, all11:13
maddlerLoCusF: ~/.xmodmap11:15
maddlerheya jaffa...11:15
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LoCusFmaddler: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 <- I meant this11:16
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sarowerI have an application made for N810 and made a .deb. But when i am going to install it in the device then it tries to install but lastly it shows that "Unable to install"11:32
sarowerIs there any body who can assist me..11:32
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sarowerabout what are the reasons for causing this11:33
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sarowerThere are no dependencies11:33
BugBlauwwrong architecture (i386, x86_64) in the package description for example11:33
sarowerall dependencies are installed11:33
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pupnikall your dependencies are belong11:37
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lechcan anyone here point me to a listing of bluetooth devices (headsets/headphones) that are compatible with the n800/os2008?11:38
sarowerall dependencies are already installed11:38
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sarowerit is not problem of dependencies11:39
AD-N770bon dia / good morning11:39
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pupniksarower: check the section11:40
oilwhat can be a reason for this? I'm copying 170MB file from N810 to the server. First 22MB transfers with 400KB/s.. and on this 22MB mark, the transfer stalls.11:41
sarowerwhich section: pupnik?11:41
pupnikdebian/control    section: needs to begin with user/11:41
lechoil, maybe it's the wifi connection crapping out11:41
sarowerin the rules file?11:42
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pupnikSection: user/Connectivity  e.g.11:42
sarowerok pupnik!11:42
oillech: that might be. but this has happened several times.11:43
sarowerhere it is: "user/other" pupnik!11:43
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oilI also tried to upload to a different server, but with same wifi ap.  also tried to reinstall the table firmware11:43
sarowerwhat this portion should be? in the rules file?11:43
sarowerinstall: build11:44
sarowerdh_clean -k11:44
sarower# Add here commands to install the package into debian/linja-context09.11:44
lechoil, no idea then. my guess would be AP dropping the signal11:44
sarower$(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/linja-context09 install11:44
sarower $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/linja-context09 install?11:44
sarower $(MAKE) nstall DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/linja-context09 ?11:44
oillech: that might be, but I haven noticed the same situation with other devices in my home11:45
oiland after this. I can not copy anything with ssh before the next reboot11:46
oilsorry scp.. ssh itself works fine11:46
lechyeah, it could be anything then. My AP likes to reboot at random sometimes and I only caught it once. Otherwise it looks like a slight pause and things recover11:47
pupniksarower: check application manager's log file to see exact error during install11:48
oilI ment that I need to reboot n810 to make it work again. the accesspoint seems to be ok.11:48
lechoil, you wouldn't happen to know where a wiki or other kind of entry would be hiding that lists compatible bluetooth headsets for the n8xx, would you?11:49
saroweractually if there is any log it would be helpful11:49
sarowerbut there is no such.. at that time11:49
oillech: sorry, I don't know.11:49
lechoil, what mode is the AP running in with what kind of security?11:50
oillech: Accesspoint 11g, wep 6411:50
lechcan you create virtual interfaces on it?11:51
oillech: I had before, well with same parameters11:52
oilbut I can.11:52
lechtry WPA with tkip11:52
lechi've noticed that my n800/os2008 seems to hate AP's with WEP security11:53
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oilI'll try first without any security.. well the SSID is defined as 'virusfeeder' :)11:55
lechyour call, I'd hide the SSID or something. but WPA with tkip seems to work well on my end11:56
wumpusyou can just as well use no security as wep anyway :)11:57
oilspeed jumped to 530KB/s.11:57
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lechoil, yeah no overhead for decrypton11:58
lechit's good in a bad way11:59
oilok. it has now tranfered 65MB. seems like the wep was the cause.11:59
lechtry changing it up to WPA with tkip now11:59
oilthanks for the help! Then I'll need to change the settings on all the devices11:59
lechnp. just try to tighten the AP, don't want to leave it open like that12:00
michele[OT] anybody knows if the Intel X3100 video card in the latest ThinkPads works fine with Linux?12:00
michelei.e. NO fiddling with drivers12:01
oilhmm. AP (kamikaze) offers WPA(PSK) and WPA(PSK2)12:01
oilsorry, WPA2(PSK) :)12:01
maddlerwpa2 will be fine12:01
maddlerI am using kamikaze too and everything works great...12:02
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oilI'm lucky tought. the lady is not in home.. she is not always so happy whan I 'do just a little fix..' and then nothing works for couple of hours ;)12:03
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eichihello, is there a try icon for pidgin? i cant find the config12:09
oilalso wpa2 works fine now.12:12
lechgood deal12:15
lecheichi, don't think so12:15
BlafaselI read about "Erminig" several times, but cannot find it on gronmayer. Any hints?12:15
sarowerhello pupnik: here the error in the app manager is: dpkg: error processing linja-context09 (--install)12:16
sarowersubprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 112:16
saroweror any bodu others?12:17
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pupnikah so there's a postinstall script.  postinst.ex?12:23
pupniki don't know sarower, good luck12:23
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maddlerrtcom updated... reboot loop is gone! :D12:36
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lechdumping people like crazy left and right12:44
Blafaselmaddler: Naah, I'll wait until it's available without rp mode ;)12:44
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pupniksup unique31112:46
unique311i just release xgngeo frontend.12:47
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unique311screens vids how-tos12:47
unique311I freaking hildon the damn thing, finally.  I think fully at that.12:48
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unique311well no fullscreen yet.12:48
pupnikexcellent post with the screenshots12:48
pupnikis there any reason to build-in fullscreen?12:49
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unique311not sure, xmaeme does fullscreen.12:49
unique311so i figure why not, its a frontend also.12:49
unique311no reason really.12:49
unique311If i can put the little knowledge i have now on hildon, maybe I can do the same for mtpaint.12:50
unique311bout to work on a game, i wanted to release, and then i'll work on mtpaint12:51
jacksteris it normal for the status bar to alwa12:51
jacksteris it normal for the status bar to always say 'charging' when the n800 is plugged  in? or  should it change to 'charged' after  a while?12:51
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unique311jackster, it should be solid after its fully charged12:53
michelemaddler: are you sure the new rtcomm works? should I go and install it? should I trust you? :)12:53
jacksterhmmm, i left it charging overnight there and it still said it was charging when I got up12:54
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giskarddo you know why i get this12:55
fugitivojackster: i have the same problem with my 770 since I installed os2007 HE12:55
maddlermichele: I installed it and tested...12:56
maddler*seems* to work...12:56
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maddlergiskard: your are not good! :D12:56
maddlergiskard: #maemo-it12:56
giskardmaddler, please provide a solutiot12:56
giskardwe have a maemo-it irc channel12:56
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maddlerwhat's the problem with that mount stuff?12:58
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giskardi'm not able to exec apps stored in /media/mmc212:58
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giskardi have to change fmask and dmask12:58
jacksterfugitivo, i've only ever used os2008 on the n800, updated as soon as I got it. just wondering if this could be dangerous or shorten the life of the battery12:58
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fugitivojackster: well, mine is 2 years old, so the battery life is real short12:59
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jacksterfugitivo,  you think that's just age or related to the charging thg?13:00
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maddlergiskard: no clue13:03
giskardmaddler, bah you are useless13:03
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ccookegiskard: you can't execute anything from the mmcN cards by default13:03
ccookethey're mounted 'noexec'13:04
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giskardccooke, i know, i've alread removed this option13:04
giskardif you take a look at the link you should not see it13:04
ccookeThis is because they are formatted with the FAT filesystem, which doesn't have the concept of an "execute" mode13:04
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ccookegiskard: okay. so you just need to set the fmask to 02213:05
ccooke0022, even13:05
maddlergiskard: envy!13:05
ccookethe execute bit is octal 1 and [fdu]mask works by masking (preventing the setting of) the bits you specify13:06
ccookeso an fmask of 0133 prevents all files from having the execute bit.13:06
giskardso i'm wrong if i set it at 077713:06
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ccookeyes, that'll get you a load of files with mode 00013:06
lechcan anyone here point me to a listing of bluetooth devices (headsets/headphones) that are compatible with the n800/os2008?13:07
ccooke1 = execute, 2 = write, 4 = read13:07
maddlerlech: dunno... try searching on Internet Tablet Talk's forum13:08
ccookethey're added together - so 0755 (produced by a mask of 0022) means execute, read, write for the owner, execute and read for everyone else13:08
giskardbut it doesn't work :(13:09
giskardo remounted it with fmask=00213:09
giskardand i always get 013313:09
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ccookeI suspect you can't change that option on the fly13:10
giskardumount mount it again13:10
giskardgoing to try13:10
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giskardNokia-N810-50-2:/media# mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc2 -o uid=29999,fmask=0022,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8 /dev/mmcblk0p113:13
giskardBusyBox v1.6.1 (2007-09-27 18:08:59 EEST) multi-call binary13:13
giskardUsage: mount [flags] DEVICE NODE [-o options,more-options]13:13
giskard*** glibc detected *** -sh: corrupted double-linked list: 0x00052ed8 ***13:13
giskardConnection to closed.13:13
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giskardccooke, ok found the error13:14
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ccookegiskard: working?13:16
giskardi guess13:16
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dookdooksorry for the noob question, but where can i get source of the keyboard program for the n800 (or any other information on programming my own keyboard program)?13:21
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SpakmanHas anyone got a ruby-maemo .deb file lying around? Version 0.3 or above would be great.13:34
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NermalSpakman, just spent 10 minutes looking - can't find one13:48
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solmumahaSpakman: my tablets were offline too, sry13:56
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SpakmanNermal, solmumaha - thanks for looking14:14
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alteregoI wish the notes app would open more than one window ..14:30
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alteregoWhat's that got to do with Maemo and the Notes application?14:50
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andrunkoalterego: heheh, wrong channel :P15:07
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liriseems like all the pygtk documentation/tutorials that I'm finding are back from 2004-200515:09
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maddlerhi all15:22
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LinuxCodeN810 is soooo awesome!15:25
LinuxCodethe amsn dev fella made packages for it15:25
LinuxCodeworks..with webcam and all15:25
LinuxCodeand I found out that...they are working on a port of wxGTK which xchm uses15:26
LinuxCodestill minor issues but they are getting there15:26
HfgklougghMsn with webcam?15:26
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LinuxCodethe led even goes read...but Im not sure what handles that...15:27
LinuxCodemight be kernel related15:27
lardmanhmm, msn + video15:27
lardmansounds good15:27
HfgklougghWhere can i find this amsn?15:27
LinuxCodelardman, I need to test it with a mate15:28
LinuxCodebut should be fine15:28
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LinuxCodeHfgklouggh, hold15:28
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|tbb|hi all15:29
|tbb|how easy/hard is it to compile that src for chinook?
VeggenWe used aMSN when I ran a Linux-based Internet cafe for a week at a scout camp. I don't know anything about MSN on Windows, but I could see that noone had problems with using aMSN, so it must be similar enough to MSN.15:30
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glassin a cafe you could just tell people to use meebo15:32
glassdoes meebo run on the microb btw? meebo.com15:32
VeggenTHat internet cafe was actually a great experience in how user-friendly you could make Linux. There was only a very few die-hard WIndows fans that actually complained about how we sucked for running Windows. *And* we had a money-back-no-questions-asked-policy if you didn't get done what you came for.15:32
LinuxCodeso now I have xchat, amsn, fbreader15:32
LinuxCodeohh I require abiword15:33
* LinuxCode finds15:33
fugitivoVeggen: what distro did you use?15:33
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Veggenfugitivo: Can't remember, think it was Debian.15:37
Veggenyah, pretty sure.15:38
fugitivoand gnome?15:38
Veggenfugitivo: But a well-configured Linux-box *is* userfriendly. The experience told me that.15:38
fugitivoi know, my mother uses linux (she's 65 years old)15:39
Veggenfugitivo: actually I think we used kde for the kiosk-mode-stuff.15:39
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Veggenfugitivo: I don't push it too aggressively myself, but from what I understand, if you end up being the support-person anyways, you save yourself a lot of trouble by giving them Linux.15:40
LinuxCodelets hope somebody does it15:40
fugitivoI find ubuntu to be a great user-friendly linux distro out of the box15:40
LinuxCodeI prefer fedora15:40
LinuxCodeincidently...fedora also has a project going now for arm15:40
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Veggenfugitivo: I prefer ubuntu on the desktop myself, nowadays, although I'm an old-timer with experience from the old Slackware-on-diskette-set-days.15:40
fugitivoVeggen: she was using Windows, and I was always helping her to remove virus, spyware and all that weird things15:40
hrwhi, does someone know does Nokia warranty is valid in whole Europe?15:41
Veggenfugitivo: Pretty classical.15:41
|tbb|who can please take a look at the source of the url ive posted and answer my question15:41
LinuxCodehrw, should be15:41
LinuxCodeEuropean law15:41
fugitivoVeggen: I'm very oldschool also, I started with slack and diskettes :)15:41
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hrwLinuxCode: I wonder does nokia service in Poland will be capable of repairs ;D15:41
fugitivoVeggen: moved from slack to redhat, to debian, to gentoo, to linux from scratch (yes, i know), now I use ubuntu for my desktop15:41
LinuxCodeEurope = EEA15:41
LinuxCodehrw, dunno..but wherever you bought it..15:42
LinuxCodethey should honour warrantly15:42
fugitivoi've learned that my desktop must be simple and easy15:42
LinuxCodeafter 60 days or so its Nokias responsibility anyway15:42
Veggenhrw: I went to an "official Nokia shop" with my old 770 with WSOD.15:42
Veggenhrw: (I'd bought it directly from Nokia on the net)15:42
hrwVeggen: nokia does not sell tablets in Poland15:43
LinuxCodeVeggen, you in the US ?15:43
hrwVeggen: so they may even do not support it even at warranty level15:43
LinuxCodeahh Norway15:44
VeggenLinuxCode: yah.15:44
LinuxCodeI have to buy a new wlan AP15:44
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LinuxCodeit appears that any wpa net wont work proper with my devices15:45
LinuxCodenot sure why that is15:45
LinuxCodemy old AP is like 6+ years old15:45
VeggenHmm. I should do some hardware upgrades in my firewall/access point too...I only have 802.11b now, a good old prism2.5-card in access point mode on my OpenBSD-based firewall.15:47
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LinuxCodeVeggen, do you get packet loss on your N81015:48
LinuxCodeif you use your AP ?15:48
HfgklougghCan someone compile truecrypt? www.truecrypt.org15:49
VeggenLinuxCode: I turned off powersaving-stuff on my home network.15:49
VeggenDidn't work very well with it, no.15:49
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LinuxCodeIm getting intermittent packet loss15:49
LinuxCodehow old is your AP ?15:49
VeggenLinuxCode: old :)15:49
Veggenand self-built.15:50
Takis there some magic solution for persisting gtk or hildon app states?15:50
LinuxCodemight be a linux issue with wpa etc..15:50
Veggenno wpa on it.15:50
LinuxCodeyes I know15:50
LinuxCodemine has it neither15:50
LinuxCodehence Im saying15:50
LinuxCodenow I have to find a wlan AP+pc-card that works in linux hehe15:50
LinuxCodehopefully one that doesnt need a firmware15:51
* LinuxCode find that ugly15:51
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HfgklougghOr is there an encryption software available for maemo?15:52
LinuxCodei wonder if it has dm15:52
* LinuxCode opens terminal15:52
LoCusFHfgklouggh: ccrypt and bcrypt15:52
LoCusFthey are for CLI use15:53
HfgklougghOk, like truecrypt15:53
LinuxCodei always forget15:53
LinuxCodeno idea15:54
LinuxCodebe nice if it had dm support and then ya could use dm-crypt15:55
LinuxCodebut I bet that would be a cpu killer15:55
HfgklougghWhere can i find ccrypt and bcrypt15:55
X-Fade_Unless you can use the hardware aes option ;)15:55
LinuxCodeX-Fade_, the spu has built in aes crypto ?15:56
X-Fade_OMAP architecture has an AES hardware accelerator.15:56
X-Fade_Not that we will ever be able to use it..15:56
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LinuxCodenever ever say never15:56
LinuxCodeyou never know..15:56
X-Fade_We will never get the detailed specs for that..15:57
LinuxCodedid that ever stop linux devs ?15:57
X-Fade_But then again. We also want IVA, PowerVR etc.15:57
X-Fade_Which we also are never going to get unless some serious money is payed to TI.15:58
X-Fade_But the cpu supports it all. You just need to know how to activate and use it..15:58
robtaylorX-Fade_: i suspect a link gets blown if you havn't paid for the license when you order the chips15:59
HfgklougghI cant install ccrypt and bcrypt on os200815:59
HfgklougghNot compatible16:00
X-Fade_robtaylor: Could be, but I just think that you are not allowed to use it. (By contract)16:00
HfgklougghOr do i have to go into red pill mode?16:00
X-Fade_robtaylor: They use the same cpu in other Nokia phones. And symbian does support the features. I don't think Nokia orders a few cpus separately for the tablets.16:01
LoCusFHfgklouggh: find out how to get a root access and then run dpkg -i *crypt*.deb in the directory you downloaded them16:01
HfgklougghAhh, ok thx16:02
X-Fade_robtaylor: And the internet tablets are really just a few if you compare it to the 100M phones they ship every quarter ;)16:02
HfgklougghIt works now16:04
robtaylorX-Fade_: could be =)16:05
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hrwguys: how much time does English service has for warranty repair?16:13
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Cymor-WorkEnglish service?16:14
Takmy English is out of warranty16:14
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hrwCymor-Work: if I buy n810 in england and it will broke - how much time nokia has to repair it16:14
LinuxCodehrw, in the Uk16:15
LinuxCodewarrantly is with the retailer for the first 30-60 days16:15
LinuxCodethen its nokias responsiblity16:15
LinuxCodegod my typing is useless today16:15
hrwand how long nokia can take device from me to repair it?16:15
hrwin Poland it is 3 weeks max16:16
LinuxCodei dont think theres a limit16:16
LinuxCodenot sure about that one16:16
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micheleanybody took apart an N810 and took pictures of the boards?16:19
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lirian off-topic question I guess - can the n800/n810 play midi files?16:20
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LinuxCodeliri, good one16:21
LinuxCodenever tried16:21
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hrwliri: with additional software it should16:22
hrwtimidity for example16:22
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Veggenuh. any compiz/ubuntu-desktop-experts here.16:24
ph|berVeggen: what do you need?16:24
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Veggento get back normal resolution again!16:25
Veggensuddenly I got into an enlarged mode.16:25
ph|berwhat video card are you running?16:25
glassshift-ctrl and + or - ?16:25
glassor what was that default keycombo for cycling between video modes16:26
ph|berglass: i dont think that will work.. mine did the same recently.. after an update.16:26
ph|berand to do a fresh install....16:26
ph|beri even tried making a new xorg.conf16:26
ph|berand it is the + - of the numberkey..16:26
Veggenit was some key combo that I pressed accidently, but it wasn't alt/ctrl-+/-16:27
glassmaybe some accessability combo then16:27
Veggenyah, that was my guess.16:27
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t_s_ohrmf, i knew i would regret getting a cheaper keyboard. seems that freedom have remapped in their drivers the > key (im using a scandinavian keyboard) onto what is normally the ' key...16:29
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t_s_oso when using HID i get ' when it hit what is marked with <16:29
lophytehey all16:29
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Takxrandr -s 0 ?16:30
t_s_osure, i could use altgr+shift+z but that only gives me <, if i want > i should in theory use x but that gives me nothing (either a limit in the chip or bluetooth, dont know)16:30
JaffaLinuxCode: incorrect, in the UK the Sales of Goods Act says the retailer is responsible always (usually up to about 7 years). Manufacturers may offer additional warranties on top of that, but a purchaser's first point of call should always be the retailer in lieu of anything better.16:31
JaffaThat's probably for hrw too :)16:31
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lophyteanyone else playing with debian on n8x0?16:31
LinuxCodethey usually direct you to the manufacturer though16:31
LinuxCodeas EU law came into force16:31
LinuxCodeEuropean warranty16:32
LinuxCodehich is probably better anyway16:32
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t_s_ohmm, maybe i should sit down, learn python and write up a gui xmodmap...16:32
JaffaLinuxCode: true, but IIRC you don't have to let them push you on to the manufacturer - but as you say, it's often better.16:32
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LinuxCodeJaffa, thanks for that though16:32
lophytet_s_o, for what?16:33
t_s_oso i can remap that damn bluetooth keyboard key, or something...16:33
t_s_ostill, if i could access the soft keyboard while having a bluetooth keyboard active, i would be happy. its not like im planning to write html on this :P16:34
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t_s_oi just cant help wonder why they "moved" the key without moving the actual wiring, should have been that hard. but i guess its a reason why its cheaper then the nokia keyboard...16:35
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lophyteah, lol16:37
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lirihrw: are you sure that this is now a hardware required issue? I believe the on board sound blaster should support it as well, plus there are probably drivers required16:39
lirieven on my desktop there are problems playing a midi file16:39
lophyteanyone know the specifics on how Xomap uses the hw buttons?16:41
lophyteie. where the configuration is16:41
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Khertansomeone know a python tool to synchronize a local folder with an ftp ... (and a sync ... not just get ftp content)17:02
cizarroKhertan, rsync over ftpfs? ;-)17:03
jacksterhmm, sorry for sounding incredibly dense but how do you remove the battery from an N800?17:05
lophytepull? :P17:05
b0unc3lophyte: you are one of those who made the debian port?17:05
jacksterI'm trying :(17:05
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lophyteb0unc3, no I just mirror it17:05
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lophytejohnx did all the work17:05
fugitivojackster: errrr, read the manual before braking something :)17:05
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b0unc3lophyte: ok17:06
lophyteb0unc3, why do you ask?17:06
jacksterfugitivo: it doesn't seem to say much about removing the battery17:07
tekoniveljackster: you need a little leverage17:07
b0unc3lophyte: I have a problem with dpkg-repack17:07
GeneralAntillesjackster, just tap it lightly on your palm.17:07
lophyteb0unc3, ah, I didn't install it that way, I just used the tarball17:07
GeneralAntillesHinges from the contact point.17:07
GeneralAntillesSo tap on the edge.17:07
jacksteraha, GeneralAntilles you are a genius17:07
b0unc3lophyte: ok np, I will wait johnx :P17:08
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lophyteI'm trying to figure out how to get the hw buttons working17:08
b0unc3lophyte: interesting...17:09
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Blafasellophyte: xev doesn't print events?17:11
tekonivelSomeone figure out how to  utilize the headphone remote controller that come with nokia phones plskthx ;)17:11
fysaKhertan: I believe there is an rsync UI available on the repositories already17:12
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fysaand there are rsyncd servers available for everything imaginable.17:12
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fysaftp doesn't sync.17:12
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fysa(as efficiently..)17:12
Khertancizarro> rsync don't work with ftp ...17:13
Khertanand as i only have ftp ... no shell account17:13
fysathe problem is ftp.  ftp is horrible.17:13
fysayou don't need shell for rsync..17:13
fysayou would probably be better using 'wget' on some other machine to --mirror the ftp17:13
Khertanfysa>yes ftp is horrible !17:14
Blafaselftp is better than using http for file transfers, still ;)17:14
cizarroKhertan, over ftpsh17:14
cizarroftpfs even.17:14
fysathen rsyncing from the other machine.17:14
KhertanBlafasel > lol17:14
fysaunless you don't mind retransfering entire files that have slight changes17:14
fysathen wget --mirror will be fine17:14
Khertanwget mirror ...17:14
fysawget works with ftp://17:14
Khertanso ... two wget one for get, one for push ... and a rsync in the middle ?17:15
Khertanouch ...17:15
Khertani think i should make a simple python script to do the job17:15
fysayou could do it with just wget, but you have to know ahead of time which server has the 'correct version' of something17:16
cizarroKhertan, rsync + ftpfs.. bleh.17:16
Khertanfysa > i ll always know .. :)17:16
Khertanftpfs ?17:16
Khertanwhat that ,17:16
cizarrofuse module that allows to mount ftp17:16
cizarrothen run rsync "locally" against a local directory17:16
Khertanavailable on OS2008 ?17:17
fysareally?  rsync works with ftpfs?17:17
cizarroah, probably not17:17
cizarrofysa, why wouldn't it work? rsync works between two mount points just fine17:17
cizarrojust not very optimal17:17
fysalimitations in the ftp protocol I thought17:17
lophyteBlafasel, no17:18
fysai.e., how do you update a few bytes in the middle of a file without rewriting the entire thing17:18
cizarroyou can't17:18
lophyteBlafasel, getkeys works though, so Xomap isn't getting them17:18
fysaright, and I just realized that you would just use it without that.17:18
fysawhy no ssh, Khertan?17:18
fysaweb host?17:19
fugitivois anyone using syncml for syncronization?17:19
floriannot yet, but I am just looking into it.17:19
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Takyou can *update* a few bytes in the middle without rewriting the whole thing; you just can't *add* a few bytes in the middle without rewriting everything after that  ;-)17:19
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lophyteI think its a matter of connecting Xomap with hald17:20
lophytesince there's a hal daemon listening on the input devices17:20
cizarroTak, using FTP?17:21
tekoniveldd over ssh? You update any single  byte you want :)17:22
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cizarroassuming you can have shell access on the ftp host.17:23
tekonivelcizarro: t17:24
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Khertanand i ve only ftp. ... :(17:26
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tekonivelKhertan: do you know ncftp?17:28
Khertantekonivel > no17:29
tekonivelKhertan: can run batchjobs17:29
Khertanthis seems to not be running on maemo ...17:30
Khertanand seems there is no source available17:30
Khertanoups ... i ve found source17:30
* alterego starts banging head on wall.17:32
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alteregoJust got to nail DNS servers and I'm ready to bring rubyx back up >:(17:32
Khertantekonivel> ncftp is able to sync a local dir on a distant ftp one ?17:34
alteregoI've been dreading the DNS configuration Tak ..17:34
ph|beranyone know if thunderbird runs on the 810?17:34
alteregoAnyhow, stuff to do ..17:35
Khertanph|ber > lol ... no ...17:36
* Tak trying to find minimal-effort-required persistence solution17:36
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LinuxCodecorrect me if Im wrong17:38
LinuxCodedidnt N810 have a lftp ?!?!17:38
* LinuxCode checks dpkg17:38
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LinuxCodegues not17:39
Khertanno lftp ...17:40
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Khertanbut ncftp is available ...17:40
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tekonivelKhertan: the usefulness of ncftp are the ncftp{get,put} utilities17:40
Khertanyeah i see ...17:41
lophyteugh, so close17:41
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Khertanbut it s not more difficult to put and get in python17:41
Khertanthe main work is doing the sync process17:42
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tekonivelKhertan: :) that's right17:42
tekonivelKhertan: so the files themselves change, not only contents of directories?17:43
thopiekarhi @ all17:44
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tekonivelthopiekar: y017:46
Khertantekonivel> yest17:46
elbhah letstalk just got around to telling me my n810 is backordered today -- the day it was supposed to arrive17:48
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fugitivoelb: it seems we all run the same luck17:51
fugitivowe waited so long... and now the ETA is Feb 1217:51
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elbI don't mind the wait, particularly -- but it's annoying that they didn't tell me that when I placed my *order*17:53
fugitivoit seems that they don't have an intelligent stock system...17:54
LinuxCodeor demand is too high17:54
elbeven if demand is too high, they should know they're out of inventory at the time of order17:54
fugitivoyes, but if you have a realtime stock system you remove stock as people buy the device17:54
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Takmaybe they wait until payment is verified or similar17:55
fugitivothat's wrong, they should remove the stock and if payment is not valid put the stock again17:55
elbit claimed payment was verified when I checked out17:55
elbreally, it's a shady system17:56
elbthere's not really any making excuses for it17:56
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elbI'm not going to go off the deep end and blame nokia or say they ruined by life by giving me a free $350 or anything, like the kids on itt17:56
elbbut letstalk is kind of ghetto nonetheless17:56
Takfugitivo: that would allow somebody to DoS the system ;-)17:56
elbonly someone with a lot of valid credit card numbers ready to be denied17:57
elbwhich means ... someone easy to find and prosecute17:57
fugitivoTak: well, there are ways to prevent that without pissing off the customer17:57
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Takcredit card numbers use a simple checksum17:57
fugitivoyou can use a realtime service to check the credit card17:58
fugitivonot only check if the number is valid17:58
fysajavascript code is available even ;)17:58
elbTak: but online retailers check in real time17:58
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fugitivothat services work with webservices and there're a lot of companies that offers that17:59
elbthey know immediately whether or not your number exists and is associated with an active account17:59
korpioswalked in halfway here ... but letstalk made me jump through hoops to prove I was, err, *me*, when I ordered yesterday17:59
elband they know within *seconds* or less, whether or not the order is going to go through17:59
fysahas anyone tried tethering with a boost mobile prepaid?17:59
fugitivoelb: that's what i'm talking about17:59
elbkorpios: I have seen that from a lot of people, but I didn't have to tell them anything17:59
fugitivoi did a lot of ecommerce development and I think letstalk is missing some basic features :)17:59
elbI used the online system, though, and lots of people seem to have called17:59
glasshuh boost mobile is a real brand?-))  only saw it on athf17:59
korpioselb: they had to run this whole system asking multiple-choice what addresses I've lived at before, etc18:00
fysaonce upon a time, I head there was a way to get 24/7 unlimited data tethering with a prepaid 'minutes' plan for $16/mo18:00
fysa.. heard18:00
elband, as far as letstalk's inventory ... I ordered early in the morning on Tuesday, when the codes went live, so I'm doubting many people (if any) actually received one that wasn't backordered18:00
DaniloCesarSomeone here knows Gnuit? (John)18:00
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fugitivoelb: me too, maybe they only had one device in stock :)18:01
korpioslol ... that would figure.18:01
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elbfugitivo: I'm guessing they didn't have any, they'd listed out of stock for days18:02
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fugitivoelb: that's playing with our illusion18:07
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Spakmanif there a way to setup alt-tab behaviour in OS2008? Or a keybinding to swap between xterm tabs?18:07
* Spakman crosses fingers18:07
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zoranSpakman, screen18:08
Spakmanzoran: ah, of course! Thanks for making the obvious obvious to the blind!18:08
Takdoesn't ctrl+pg(up|dn) work for tab-switching?18:09
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SpakmanTak: I don't remember that working (but I'll try when I get back to my bluetooth keyboard)18:10
* Tak shrugs18:10
SpakmanWhat about alt-tab type switching between applications?18:10
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inzSpakman, matchbox conf file is probably your friend18:12
inzSpakman, no idea where it lives though :/18:12
lophytedamn it...18:12
lophytethe keypad buttons don't like me18:13
inznobody likes me *sniff*18:13
Spakmaninz: thanks, I'll start digging :)18:13
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jottSpakman: you could also use "matchbox-remote -next" ;)18:16
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t_s_ohmm, im starting to think that my problem with altgr+shift+x isnt a keyboard issue, but a tablet software issue...18:19
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Spakmanjott: thanks, could be a good one if I can't map combinations in Matchbox itself18:21
t_s_onope, its a keyboard issue after all. xev registers both the modifier keys but not the "more" key...18:21
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zoranxmodmap could help?18:23
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jottSpakman: well the easiest solution would be to create ~/.matchbox/kbdconfig make your definitions and do matchbox-remote -keys-reload18:25
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t_s_osometimes i just love the fact that the N800 runs linux. xev and xmodmap to the rescue :D18:28
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lophytei wish xev/xmodmap worked for me18:28
jottlophyte: what's the problem?18:29
lophyteoh, nothing, just playing with Debian on my n80018:29
lophytecan't get the hw buttons to work18:29
lophyteHAL picks them up but I can't get Xomap to see them18:29
lophyteI have a feeling Xomap doesn't even look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf so my config changes are futile18:30
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jottlophyte: sure.. Xomap is compiled without config support18:30
zoranlophyte, the xmodmap is just the first step18:30
lophytejott, that would do it...18:30
lophyteso the question is, how do I get Xomap to see the keys18:30
lophytewithout config support18:31
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jottlophyte: have you the right xkb files in place?18:31
lophyteI copied /usr/share/X11/xkb from ITOS to Debian..18:31
lophytenot sure what else to do18:31
lophytemaybe /etc/X11/xkb18:32
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jotthave you xkbutils installed?18:33
jotti suppose you might need this to activate the mapping.18:34
lophyteyes I do..18:34
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t_s_ohmm, is it the rx-44 keyboard map thats used by bluetooth keyboards?18:36
jottthe rx-44 is the internal n810 keyboard18:36
jott(but it might also be used for bt keyboards)18:37
jottlophyte: have you tried forcing the layout with setxkbdmap -config rx-44 or something?18:37
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jott(well assuming you use n810 .. dunno about n800 maps)18:38
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lophytehm, nope.. didn't know about that command, lol18:40
lophyteI guess the question would be which device to set it to... evdev doesn't work18:42
pupnik /lastlog synergy18:42
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rshorttI can't seem to find a link to instructions on how to update the OS on my N800... I have the bin..18:58
t_s_ohmm, i think ill just leave a file in the user home area and throw it at xmodmap whenever i should happen to reboot my N80018:58
GeneralAntillesrshortt, man, you must REALLY not be looking.18:59
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rshorttGeneralAntilles: lol, relly I am.... i must be blind18:59
GeneralAntillesWhat OS?19:00
rshorttgah, I was in Documentation, not Wiki19:01
rshorttt_s_o: thanks19:01
rshorttGeneralAntilles: just 2008 update19:02
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GeneralAntillesComputer OS.19:02
t_s_ocrap, i need to do the alterations to the keyboard each time i connect it. looks like i better find out what file to edit...19:02
t_s_oone thing to wish for, a gui bluetooth keymap editor...19:02
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lophyteI think hal-setup-keymap has something to do with it19:05
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rshorttGeneralAntilles: linux of course :) flashing19:06
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msanchezhi all19:15
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msanchezdoesn anybody knows why a hidden application (gtk_widget_hide on the main hildon window) which receives Dbus-messages always print a information banner wach time it receives messages19:16
msanchezsuch as "Application name - loading"19:16
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t_s_ohmm, how do i add something to the launch menu?19:19
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msanchezyou need a .desktop file installed under /usr/share/applications/hildon19:20
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t_s_oah, ok19:21
korpiosOoo ... my estimated LetsTalk ship is today, woohoo19:25
korpiosI hope they're not fucking with me :-)19:25
TakI wouldn't start celebrating until I had a tracking number in-hand19:26
korpiosyeah, I know19:26
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pupnikAny python develoeprs / fans can jump in and start hacking on gemrb btw.  All the GUIScripts are in python.19:50
TakI know, I was hoping, from the name, that some part of it would be ruby19:51
pupnikTak have you tried it on device yet?19:53
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Takno, I'd need a card with a few gigs free19:53
TakI did build it, though19:54
korpiosOh man ... it'll be fantastic to play Baldur's Gate, etc ... of course, I gave away my old Planescape: Torment CDs, doh ^_^19:54
TakI'll probably give it a try once I get around to getting a n81019:55
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pupnikkorpios: the Bioware games lend themselves incredibly well to tablet/stylus play19:58
fysathe other I'd like to work on is the X-Com port19:59
korpiospupnik: considering that I never finished any of them (bad me!), it'll be a fun incentive ... I miss how much *stuff* got packed into those games19:59
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fysabased on the Quetoo engine.19:59
pupniki just got the 4 dvd baldurs gate set for 10 euro fysa.  they run great under wine20:00
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fysaI believe that interface would suit a stylus well.20:00
Takpupnik: nwn doesn't use that engine, does it?20:00
pupnikit does not20:00
fysathat's the iso/2D engine20:00
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lcukhmmm thanks pupnik, you mentioning wine gives me an idea   (hiya btw)20:08
lcukmmmmm beer20:09
pupnikdon't play baldurs gate!  code!
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ccooke... What's this about Baldur's Gate? There's no way that would run on the ITT...20:13
ccooke(at least, I certainly can't think of any that would work)20:13
GeneralAntillesITT? :P20:14
ccooke(Actually, I *can*, and it *would* work, but it would be a monstrous amount of work and fall afoul of copyright :-)20:14
fysathere's a GPL port of the engine, ccooke.20:14
fysawell.  more of a reverse engineer?20:14
GeneralAntillesNot if you own a copy of the data.20:14
ccookeGeneralAntilles: finger slip :-) Internet TableT, I suppose :-)20:15
ccookefysa: there is?20:15
fysaof course there is.20:15
ccookedoes it work?20:15
fysagoogle and find it. :)20:15
fysaif you're so interested ;)20:15
ccookejust did :-)20:15
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ccookehow the hell did I not find that?!20:16
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jotthmm interesting the jalimo java packages support swing on os2008.20:17
lcukgoogle hides lots of things from you until you look.  it would be surprising if they actually sent out notifications of new search terms20:17
ccookejott: ooh, that's good. Still no browlser lpugin, right?20:17
jottccooke: i don't think so..20:18
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jotti just tested a heavy awt application and it works quite ok20:18
ccookelcuk: Ah, but I've played through BGII about once every 18 months for the last few years or so - and every time, it's long enough that I've lost all the mods etc :-)20:18
ccookeso I *have* been searching for BGII stuff20:18
fysajott: Try Azureus and/or OpenOffice? ;)20:18
jotti guess there are some floating point issues that cause render errors or so..20:18
jottfysa: hehe azureus is swt not swing/awt :p20:19
jottthat worked for a while.. (though i've not dared to test it on the IT :)20:19
Takswt is even better - even gcj/gij can deal with swt20:20
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jottTak: sure swt has it advantages but i suppose awt/swing support is more of a compatibility issue to run java applet etc..20:20
Takyes, I'm merely speaking from an "easy to get running on a tablet" standpoint20:21
pupnikTak the channel is #gemrb btw20:21
t_s_oah, my bluetooth keyboard was not using the rx-44 config, but the default no one for norwegian keyboards. after swapping two lines in that, i now have a fully working keyboard :D20:21
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jottTak: yeah.. well swing/awt seems to work quite ok (using gtk to render)20:21
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GeneralAntillesMIR, but still a good deal:
fysawow, no kidding20:24
* Tak try to determine expansion of MIR20:24
fysamail-in rebate20:24
t_s_ostill, getting to grips with vim in the osso terminal was confusing...20:24
fysamail in-rebate20:25
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GeneralAntillesYou have to find this to get the cheaper price:
fysaclass 6 still the fastest?20:25
fysaand has anyone tested a 48MHz SD kernel?20:25
lophyte8gb would be awesome20:26
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* elb plans to buy a miniSD card in about March, when he expects his tablet might feasibly arrive20:26
fysa16GB cards work, right?20:26
pupnikeven the movies run fairly smooth on the tablet Tak :)20:26
Takpupnik: that's very, very, very nice20:27
b0unc3in which package is dsmetool ?20:27
GeneralAntillesCards up to 2048GB should work fine, fysa. :P20:27
lophyteb0unc3, you can copy it directly from ITOS I think20:27
fysabut gah, I know that I will stack up on these things and then end up with an N810.20:27
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lophyteb0unc3, did you get debian working?20:28
b0unc3lophyte: I have tried... but dosen't work20:28
b0unc3lophyte: I'm working on it now20:28
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GeneralAntillesfysa, N900, N900, N900. :P20:30
fysayou really think they will go back to SD after this MicroSD business?20:31
GeneralAntillesNo, but I wouldn't waste the cash on an N810.20:31
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elbI wouldn't pay $400 for one ... but i wouldn't pay $400 for an n800, either, whereas $230 is pretty attractive20:31
Takthey went to full-SD from rs-mmc20:31
fysadepends on how well KDE/debian/synergy/X11 forwarding works. ;)20:32
GeneralAntillesTak, be nice, but it wont happen.20:33
fysainternal SD, external Micro .. or vice-versa.20:34
fysawould make me happy ;)20:34
lophytethe n810 only takes rs-mmc?20:34
lophyteaw, that sucks20:35
lophyteif I ever upgrade to an n810 I'll have to go buy all new minisd cards20:35
GeneralAntillesMostly, for me, the N810 is a big downgrade over the N800.20:35
dhdyeah it's silly, I wonder why they didn't just go to microsd20:35
fysaexcept it looks cooler and has a keyboard.20:35
GeneralAntillesdhd, dual microsd slots I could go for.20:35
fysadual anything would be helpful.20:36
GeneralAntillesfysa, and costs way more, has less storage, and crappier button arrangement. :P20:36
fysahaving 32GB on the N800 is an attractive prospect.20:36
lcukthey needed at least one onboard fixed memory card to store the maps for gps, and to keep the design specs compatible with 800 they couldnt add a new slot (or thats what i think).  as for the choice of size...20:36
GeneralAntillesand 64GB when the N810 will probably still be stuck at 18GB20:36
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lophyteis there a small enough BT keyboard that you could use with the n800 vs. the builtin one on the 810?20:37
GeneralAntilleslcuk: just ship the things with a pre-loaded 2gb card.20:37
GeneralAntillesProblem solved.20:37
lcukno because it can be removed20:37
GeneralAntillesiGo Stowaway.20:37
GeneralAntillesand so can the N800's internal SD which is used to store maps.20:37
dhdyeah the stowaway is about the same size of the N800 folded up20:37
lcukthe n800 folds up?20:37
fysaI was thinking about using motion capture software with the N800 webcam to hover my hands over and pick up twitches/positioning as key presses20:37
dhdyou can get them for $30 on eBay20:38
fysathere is a crappy 'laser' keyboard.20:38
fysabut I've never tried it.20:38
lcukfysa, it would be more like a theremin20:38
GeneralAntillesfysa, it's more garbagy than you can possibly imagine.20:39
fysahaha, nice.  that is true.  theremin board.20:39
GeneralAntilleslophyte, amazon had them for $30 over the holidays.20:39
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lophytemight be worth looking into...20:39
lophytehas anyone tried it with the n800?20:40
* dhd has one, it works well20:40
GeneralAntillesYeah, it works perfectly.20:40
GeneralAntillesThe built-in stand is perfect on the N800.20:41
dhdexcept that the up-arrow key is where the / key should be20:41
lophyteGeneralAntilles, that's what I wanted to hear20:41
GeneralAntillesYou get used to it.20:41
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fugitivowho has his order backordered from letstalk?20:43
fugitivoi checked again my order status and now it shows as "shipped"20:43
Takthe n810 is a downgrade for my usage as well20:43
elbfugitivo: me20:43
fugitivoOrder Shipped On: Thursday, January 24, 200820:43
Takfugitivo: tracking number?20:43
fugitivocheck again your order status20:43
lophytegood price ^20:43
elbfugitivo: I have 'estimated shipping date' of today20:43
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fugitivoJan 24, 2008         11:25 AM               Package data transmitted to FedEx20:44
fugitivothat's the last status...20:44
elbGeneralAntilles: nice that thinkgeek has it for $150, while amazon sold it for $30 ...20:44
fugitivomaybe tomorrow or next next20:44
blasseydoes anyone know how to install persian fonts onto the n800?20:48
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blasseythe issue being rendering in the browser20:49
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GeneralAntillesblassey, find yourself a persian font and stick it in /home/user/.fonts20:57
* czr peeks20:58
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* GeneralAntilles pokes czr in the yes.20:59
inzczr, you've been seen, now it's our turn to hide21:00
* czr pokes GeneralAntilles in the no21:00
czrinz, it is too late, for I've seen you :-)21:00
* czr considers doing something useful21:00
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blasseyGeneralAntilles: thanks, trying that now21:03
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b0unc3uhm... white screen... not bad...21:10
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vandenoeverhi, i've problem with the maemo 2008 media player21:16
pupnikjust one?21:16
vandenoeverwhen i run an mp3 stream in it, my wireless router crashes21:16
lophytecanola! :P21:16
vandenoeverpupnik: :-)21:16
fysathat's a new one?21:16
vandenoeverseriously, i've been looking for ages why my new dsl modem crashes, but it's due to my n80021:16
* pupnik is impressed21:17
b0unc3lophyte: fyi the debian-port work great on 770 :P21:17
vandenoeverif i play from my linux laptop all is well21:17
lophyteb0unc3, awesome21:17
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fysawhat if you just transfer any large file?21:17
X-Fade_vandenoever: try switching from wep to wpa or reverse. See if it still happens..21:17
vandenoeverfysa: i've no tried, but application updates are really slwo21:17
vandenoeverX-Fade_: i'm using wpa atm21:18
vandenoeveri think i prefer trying the file transfer21:18
vandenoevercan i ssh out from the n800?21:18
X-Fade_Sure, if you install openssh..21:18
fysayou could probably scp if you have openssh installed21:18
vandenoeverthen i can pipe something over that21:18
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vandenoevercan you give me a link to the repo for that?21:19
fysatimeless.justdave in the topic21:19
X-Fade_vandenoever: extras :)21:19
fysahas a big pack of all repos I believe21:19
fysasome may give issues, but it sounds like you know what you're doing21:19
vandenoeveronly slightly ;-)21:20
vandenoeveris there another streaming app, apart from canola?21:20
fysa'streamtuner' is a new one21:21
vandenoevere.g. wget | ogg123 ?21:21
fysabut it's for shoutcast-type stuff I think.21:21
X-Fade_vandenoever: mplayer?21:21
lophytei love canola21:21
fysaI think it uses mplayer.21:21
fysaI have nfs mount, but have not mounted my Audio/ share..  I fear it will be painfully slow to scan/id3/check for covers. ;)21:22
vandenoeverthe 'set password' dialog of openssh is just lovely21:22
vandenoeverit shows each character for one second before changing it into a '*'21:22
lophytemost password fields do that21:22
X-Fade_vandenoever: Welcome to the default password textbox :)21:22
* vandenoever is rather unimpressed with the widget set21:22
lophytethe password fields in microb do that too..21:22
vandenoeverdefault screen looks nice though21:23
X-Fade_vandenoever: As you can easily type the same char twice on a touchscreen, that can be a big help..21:23
vandenoeverX-Fade_: so it's design?21:23
vandenoeverX-Fade_: i can also count the stars21:23
X-Fade_vandenoever: Yeah, even nokia phones do that..21:23
fysaeasy enough to hide the device from prying eyes21:24
* Jaffa agrees - showing the char's a good feature all-in-all21:24
fysabut don't let this fool you, vandenoever21:26
fysathere are at least 10,000 things that we CAN complain about.21:26
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xmentanother problem, after upgrading to os2008, the text autocompletion feature suddenly disappeared21:27
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Jaffafysa: ah, we've dropped a couple of orders of magnitude recently?21:29
lmouraalterego, are you the ruby maintainer?21:29
fysadon't want to scare anyone away ;)21:29
Takmaybe he categorizes things broadly21:29
fysaI actually typed 100,000 and revised before sending ;)21:29
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* Jaffa only has 3 categories: 1) Things that suck really bad; 2) Things that suck quite a lot; 3) Things that suck less than the other 2.21:30
Takthat's one of the things I used to like about the 'talk' command - it sent /every/ character21:30
pupnikever see 'hunt' tak? :)21:30
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TakI hate y^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HWant to go out?21:30
Takpupnik: no?21:30
fysaMy most hated category is "things that suck so bad that their level of suck proliferates throughout dependencies affecting neighbors and causing an atomic suckfest"21:31
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Takfysa: leave my software out of this21:31
* vandenoever is piping a dvd over openssh to his n800 ...21:31
fysasounds hot21:32
pupniktwas a great multiplayer real time shooter game back in the late 80s - top view maze, many players at once21:32
vandenoevergoing a 700k atm, so not all that fast21:32
fysabut it's not barfing yet?21:32
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fysa(apologize for all the technical terms)21:33
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Takhah, so it's like a nethack fps21:33
vandenoeverwhat's the OMAP McSPI/0 process?21:33
fysathat's what is keeping me from using nfs to stream perfectly good divx/xvid encodes (not re-encodes) to mplayer. ;)21:34
fysaI think it eats a good 10-25% CPU for me21:34
fysaduring high network activity21:34
vandenoever38% here21:34
vandenoeverand 58% for openssh21:35
vandenoeveris it the wireless driver?21:35
fysaregardless, 700k is enough to stream audio and if it hasn't caused your router to crash already, it's going to be something else.21:35
fysatry the mplayer package maybe?21:36
fysaI believe it will stream from a URL.21:36
vandenoeversometimes it takes 2hours of radio streaming to crash the router21:36
vandenoeverso i'm letting it run21:36
fysaif it takes 2 hours, I'd be inclined to blame the router21:36
fysawhich is it?21:36
vandenoeverof course the router is to blame21:37
korpiosI'm showing Ready to Ship, which is an improvement ^_^21:37
vandenoeverit should not crash, ever21:37
Takwait, Shipped => Ready to Ship is an improvement?21:37
fysaI tossed a linksys that was crashing..21:38
fysaand picked up an ASUS and put OpenWRT/X-Wrt on it..21:38
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fysahere's an idea.21:38
fysathere are NAS devices out there with armel processors21:38
fysa600MHz+ I believe?21:39
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fysano, that's a horrible idea.21:40
GeneralAntillesand you're a horrible person for having it.21:40
fysaI deserved it.21:40
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dorkybotkorpios: mine is in the same "ready to ship" batch21:41
fysabut I suppose you COULD use a USB video out with one of those and try to shoehorn maemo onto it with a touchscreen interface ;)21:41
dorkybot2 day shipping my foot21:41
korpiosdorkybot: you showing Tuesday as your arrival date, too?21:42
korpiosno reason it shouldn't get here Sat21:42
korpiosSat would be perfect, in fact21:42
dorkybotcan't wait, already thinking of all the ssh/voip stuff i'm going to set up21:42
GeneralAntillesHas anybody gotten ITOS running on something other than a Nokia device?21:42
Takwhat are we calling ITOS?21:43
korpiosI can't wait to have something back in my pocket I can actually run Terminal on without "hacking", ugh ^_^21:43
vivijimhi, I have a patch to submit to xomap... does anyone know where can I find the git and mailing list of xomap?21:43
GeneralAntillesTak, not sure. :P21:43
korpiosoh geez, OS X is killing my brain.  I just said "Terminal" rather than "a terminal".21:44
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GeneralAntillesI was thinking the firmware that we flash onto our devices, but that really doesn't make sense for non-Nokia stuff.21:44
dorkybotn810 will be tethered to the evdo laptop by bluetooth21:44
fysaI think those NAS' would really be close.  you should be able to use a debian-armel kernel and maemo repositories/distro21:44
dorkybotthey sniff for wifi here at work21:44
fysathe only thing we really have to offer are *cough* packages and a hildon environment21:45
dorkybotthe future holds great things with kde and qt421:45
fysaI don't see anyone breaking down our door to get microb running on a non-IT device (no offense timeless :))21:46
GeneralAntillesBe nice if Ubuntu Mobile would pick up steam.21:46
korpiosKDE4 is sorely tempting me21:46
dorkybot4.1 maybe21:46
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, agreed21:46
fysaUbuntu Mobile, this time next year.21:46
LinuxCodebe better of fedora got going too21:46
dorkybotUM screenshots look nice21:46
lcukwould be nice to run steam on maemo21:46
|tbb|anyone with scratchbox (chinook ) enviroment, around?21:46
Tak|tbb|: yes21:47
LinuxCode|tbb|, check amemo site for vmware image21:47
fysawhat's wrong with it now?21:47
fysanothing released?21:47
lophyteUM is still in really early stages of development21:47
LinuxCodeif you want a quick start21:47
lophytethey only announced it in like november21:47
fysa(notice the resolution)21:48
|tbb|tak, do you got a little spare time?21:48
Takmaybe a little ;-)21:48
|tbb| need someone with knowledge to try to compile that for chinook21:48
|tbb|would you21:48
GeneralAntillesMore users of hildon/matchbox is better for us.21:49
LinuxCode|tbb|, just grab the vmware images21:49
LinuxCodeand compile it yourself21:49
LinuxCodedoes maemo even have dbus ?!?!21:49
LinuxCodeohh wait yes it does21:49
LinuxCodeI recalled reading soemthing21:49
GeneralAntillesLinuxCode: <_< :P21:49
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, installed amsn21:50
* Tak want debian-armel image with full hardware support + hildon + matchbox21:50
LinuxCodeworks fine21:50
LinuxCodewith webcam and all21:50
* lcuk thinks linux code missed dbus21:50
fysathere we go.  johnx's debian-armel as basis for Ubuntu Mobile UI.21:50
LinuxCodelcuk, I miss a lot21:50
LinuxCodebtw hi!21:50
* lcuk munches on bacon n egg21:50
* LinuxCode wants a nice pint of cold cider21:51
Takis the vkb proprietary, or part of hildon?21:51
* LinuxCode however, has a deadline21:51
Tak|tbb|: ok, it's built, now what?21:51
LinuxCodeTak, you built it ?21:52
LinuxCodethat was quick sir21:52
LinuxCodeI hope they sort out wxGTK soon21:52
|tbb|tak: thx, got a place to upload it or would u email it to me?21:52
elbfugitivo: I just shipped, too21:52
Takno hosting right now21:53
fysaI would have tried to get en_GK working on the N800 if it had | on the unshifted vkb ;)21:53
LinuxCodeohh btw guys21:53
LinuxCodeyou know the Chr key...21:53
LinuxCodewhen the menu comes up21:54
LinuxCodeit now goes to the bottom part21:54
LinuxCodeinstead of where the pipe symbol is21:54
LinuxCodeanyway to change that ?21:54
LinuxCodekinda nnoying21:54
lcuktried rebooting21:54
LinuxCodeI did reboot since yes21:55
fugitivoelb: great!21:55
LinuxCodebattery ran out21:55
* lcuk knows this is the answer to all sorts of windows problems, but what the hey...21:55
LinuxCodeits weird mate21:55
elbthey're saying that my 2-day delivery should be here by Tuesday21:55
lcuki try never to touch that chr key because i hate the onscreen stuff jumping21:55
elbso I'm assuming "shipped" means "FedEx will pick it up tomorrow"21:56
LinuxCodelcuk, well how do ya get a pipe then ?21:56
lcukelb, i got super next working day and ordered tuesday arrived thursday...21:56
LinuxCodebit shit when Im sshd21:56
lcuki havent needed pipe yet...21:56
LinuxCodepipe symbol should have had its own key!21:56
|tbb|tak see pm21:56
lcukand slippers key21:56
lcuki got annoyed about lack of tab key more than pipe21:57
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TakI need to make a modified fullscreen kb21:57
LinuxCodeI just made a short cut21:57
lcukuntil i found a comfortable dev env using windows full keybard and since a full usb one21:57
LinuxCodenow I dont even have to push chr anymore21:57
GeneralAntillesTak, can you make it so it's not retarded about touchscreen position? :P21:58
lcukim gonna code up my old pda and use it as an extended keyboard for my 81021:58
Takhow is it retarded about touchscreen position?21:58
LinuxCodeI put in | as value21:58
LinuxCodedont work21:58
dorkybotyep, shipped to be delivered tuesday21:58
LinuxCodewhats the hardkey for pipe21:59
LinuxCodeis it ascii I need to use here ?21:59
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GeneralAntillesIf I hit one character, it'll sometimes send one on the other side of the screen.21:59
JaffaPress the "Chr" button or remap keys. Not aware of a default combo21:59
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LinuxCodeJaffa, you can do this21:59
TakI've never experienced that21:59
GeneralAntillesIt was fine under OS2007 and with the OS2008 beta21:59
GeneralAntillesBut now it's weird under final.22:00
GeneralAntillesThere's a bug on bugzilla.22:00
LinuxCodeif you start x and go to menu>tools>settings22:00
LinuxCodetoolbar shortcut22:00
Takfun - bounds-checking isn't being done some place22:00
LinuxCodehowever whats the vlaue ?22:00
LinuxCodeis it standard ctrl char stuff ?22:00
GeneralAntillesIt's a pain, as it's considerably dropped my speed since OS2007.22:00
JaffaLinuxCode: it's X keysyms22:01
Jaffaso, IIRC, "pipe"22:01
JaffaCheck the appropriate header file or manpage.22:01
GNUtoni'm looking for amule-gui client for maemo.22:02
Takheh, the thing that always gets me is that the 770 has a cliff between the edge of the casing and the screen, and I can never hit the keys right on the edge at the first try22:02
GNUtonhas someone cross-compiled it?22:02
LinuxCodewhy would anyone want to use a p2p app on the IT22:03
fysaTak: yes, that is why I am dying for a scrollbar-size-editor-tool ;)22:03
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GNUtonbecause amule-client is a remote control for the amule-server..22:03
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Takfysa: yeah - for some apps, they even moved the scrollbar away from the side, when they should have just made it wider22:04
GeneralAntillesLinuxCode, it makes an obsoletely amazing low-power bittorrent client. ;)22:04
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LinuxCodemeh what key to use22:04
fysa'modest' shows that they are finally learning here.22:04
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, haha22:04
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GeneralAntillesRather than leaving my 650watt tower on overnight to BT, just use the N800. ;)22:05
LinuxCodeid be concerned22:05
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LinuxCodeabout the memory22:05
LinuxCodep2p uses small fragments22:05
fysaI have two torrents running simultaneously.22:05
GeneralAntillesMeh, flash memory is super-cheap.22:05
GeneralAntillesI've yet to know anybody who has worn down flash storage of any sort within it's useful lifetime.22:06
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LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, true22:06
LinuxCodeyou guys are lucky22:06
LinuxCodeN800 can take it ou22:06
LinuxCodethe flash mem22:06
LinuxCodeN810 the 2GB nand is fixed22:06
LinuxCodeok its and!22:06
fysayeah, I wouldn't worry though.22:06
LinuxCode1 million writes22:06
fysathey are smartly used22:06
pupnikwhat's the efficiency of computers as heaters?22:06
X-Fade_pupnik: Nearly 95% ;)22:06
LinuxCodeyeh using jffs22:06
LinuxCodepupnik, lol22:06
fysano, not jffs -- internal controller evens the usage22:06
LinuxCodecome to my place I demonstrate22:06
Takpupnik: I barely ever have to turn the heat on22:06
LinuxCodemy office is always warmer22:07
Takunfortunately, the AC is another matter22:07
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LinuxCodefysa, interesting22:07
fysaI have a 2405FPW and some other Dell LCD on my desk here..  and by the end of the day, my face is burning.22:07
GeneralAntillesLow, pupnik, but mine serves a nice double-duty as one. :D22:07
LinuxCodeuses jffs too though22:07
fysaI could appreciate LED.22:07
lcukAC isnt a problem as long as you are willing to stick heatsinks and fans to your forehead.22:07
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TakI keep trying to develop more wrinkles in order to dissipate heat more efficiently, but it's not working out that well so far22:08
GeneralAntillesTak, there's no such thing as need for heating down there. :P22:08
pupniksmoke more22:08
lcuktak, its not the wrinkles that are a problem, its the die shrink as you age that gets you22:08
TakI'd settle for steaming22:08
czrhah lcuk22:09
konttoriHi All!22:09
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TakGeneralAntilles: it was 32F a couple of weeks ago22:09
pupnikwb konttori22:09
czrlcuk, you could order some size extenders!22:09
konttoriHey, anyone have a working mplayer setup on os2008?22:09
GeneralAntillesYeah, yeah, and the humidity makes it worse . . . I know. :P22:09
GeneralAntillesHowdy, konttori.22:09
konttoriI have my configuration such that it has audio sync problem22:09
pupnikkonttori: i have sync problems on some media also22:09
* Tak grew up with -40F winters anyway22:09
pupniksounds like minnesota Tak22:10
pupnikor russia :P22:10
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Takjust west of minnesota actually22:10
konttoriAnd, I'm using I'm using ao=esd22:10
konttoriIs that the optimal setup?22:11
dorkybotwhere bizarre things happen in a cohen brothers movie22:11
Takwhat about ao alsa?22:11
Takdorkybot: south of that :-P22:11
konttoriwould alsa be better choice?22:11
* pupnik had a lot of friends up at ndsu - good CSCI program there22:11
dorkybotfriend in the chipper22:11
pupnikwe need /dev/dsp too22:11
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konttorihmm... so, dspmp3 was in 2007 the best choice if I remember correctly22:13
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LinuxCodeok so like..whats the pipe symbol called22:14
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lcuk#define GDK_vertbar 0x9f822:15
dhdyou can find out by running xev22:15
dhdoh, yes, perhaps it is the GDK name actually22:15
LinuxCodethank you22:15
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dhd#define XK_bar                           0x007c  /* U+007C VERTICAL LINE */22:16
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dhdoops sorry for the paste22:16
konttoriall right, alsa seems as fast as esd22:16
dhdvertbar is U+250222:16
lcukhow the heck can a single character be "notable" and gets its own wikipedia essay?22:17
dhdsuch is the wacky world of wikipedia22:17
* dhd believes it's called "Procrastination"22:17
dhdsome CS PhD student probably wrote that instead of working on his/her thesis22:17
lcukits got more info than maemo22:17
LynoureI haven't checked, but don't big printed encyclopedias also have entries for stuff like ellipsis?22:18
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lcukLynoure, cite your sources for this :P22:18
GeneralAntilleslcuk, there are tons of articles on characters.22:18
GeneralAntillesThe better question is, "why not?"22:18
Lynourelcuk: I've never had a printed encyclopia...22:19
LinuxCodedont work22:19
GeneralAntillesI've found wikipedia's character articles to be quite useful.22:19
lcukGeneralAntilles, i know this, but then they delete loads of articles about internet fads with a swift hammer blow22:19
pupnikhmm i should produce fake encyclopedias for decorative purposes22:19
pupnikmuch cheaper22:19
GeneralAntillesOh, well, I didn't realize we were discussing wikipedia's administrative actions. :P22:20
GeneralAntillesYes, those suck.22:20
GeneralAntillesAll the wiki admins should be spaced.22:20
lcukw h y  s h o u l d  t h e y  b e s p a c e d ,  t h a t   j u s t   u s e s   m o r e   c h a r a c t e r s22:21
dorkybotwhoa ... dude22:21
GeneralAntillesIt involves airlocks. :P22:21
konttorioh no, alsa seems to jam mplayer for flv playback.22:21
czrget on with the JAMs.22:23
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* konttori feels like an idiot now22:23
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konttoriI had delay=0.6 in the config file22:23
konttorino wonder sync was off22:23
pupnikthank god for "grep -ri" man...22:23
czrkonttori, slow eyes?22:23
lcukhey konttori, i bet i can fix your problem, just change the delay in your config file ;)22:24
* LinuxCode gives lcuk a pint22:24
lcuk? mine worked ?22:24
lcuki actually had useful linux knowledge?22:24
* czr loans lcuk his Linus mask22:25
LinuxCodelcuk, it was bar22:25
LinuxCodethere is vertbar GDK_vertbar and GDK_bar22:25
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LinuxCodeyou leave the GDK bit22:25
LinuxCodejust put in bar22:25
LinuxCodeno more chr key22:26
LinuxCodeand there is still room for more22:26
konttoriremoved the delay -> fixed issu22:26
Takczr: is it made from his face?22:26
czrTak, that's a trade secret22:27
* Tak refuse to sign NDA22:28
LinuxCodeTak, please sign here22:31
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n0obare any gentoo users here?22:35
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dorkybotand lots of others in #gentoo22:36
n0obdo you have a maemo sdk installed?22:36
korpiosWoohoo!  Shipped!  Tracking number and all!22:36
n0obmmh ok22:36
dorkybotwaiting for delivery of my n81022:36
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korpiosdorkybot: check your mail, if yours was in the same batch22:36
dorkybotwasting time in forums and irc22:37
dorkybotbut ... it just shipped today22:37
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* fysa longs for a transparent thumb vkb22:40
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* Tak send fysa a rgvkb screenshot22:41
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dorkybotthat internet tablet web site is impacting my wallet ... ordered 3 things already22:41
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fysaRio Grande Valley Killer Bees?22:41
LinuxCodeI just realized something22:41
LinuxCodethey could have dumped the pipe onto the >. key22:41
Takrubygame vkb22:41
LinuxCodeusing fn22:42
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dorkybotit'll work with a full BT keyboard right?22:43
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LinuxCodedorkybot, what will ?22:43
LinuxCodepipe ?22:43
fysaoh tak please help me find those screenshots22:43
korpiosNow if only my damned Kindle would ship, I'd be all sorts of gadget-lust-fulfilled ^_^22:43
LinuxCodeI made a button in osso22:43
LinuxCodedorkybot, what did you buy ?22:43
LinuxCodeN810 ?22:43
fysacan someone please port xterm to rubygame? ;)22:44
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* Tak poke sarcasometer22:44
dorkybotn810, folding BY keayboard and usb charging cable22:44
LinuxCodewhy buy a BT keybaord ?22:44
LinuxCodeits got a keybaord thats perfectly good22:44
fysa'perfectly' is a stretch22:44
Takyou don't even have to port it; just make a call22:44
fysafor getting real work done22:44
dorkybotso i can prop up the IT on its stand at work and type away nonchalantly while ssh'ed to my other pc22:45
LinuxCodereal work = computer22:45
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fysasays you22:45
LinuxCodefixing stuff = n81022:45
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dorkybotlooking forward to BT mouse working too22:45
LinuxCodedorkybot, hehe22:45
LinuxCodethat bt keybaord I saw was nice-ish22:46
LinuxCodeand quite portable22:46
LinuxCodeI need a new mobile phone first though22:46
dorkybotmy slacking is too visible with the evdo laptop22:46
pH5does anybody use g_ether on n8x0?22:47
pH5here it gets confused when I pull out the usb cable (the usb statusbar plugin stays, it doesn't work anymore after reconnecting) to the point that rmmoding and reloading the g_ether module hangs the device (until the watchdog kicks in)22:47
fysaTak: is rubygame in the repo?22:47
LinuxCodeid rather have an istow orwhatever its called22:47
Takit's with the rest of the ruby stuff22:47
fysaeasier to carry, not as nice finger response/spacing though22:47
fysaapple wireless is the smallest/lightest BT kb with full-sized keys I believe22:47
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fysait's what I take with me if I need to take notes in a day-long meeting, anyway ;)22:48
dorkybotalmost got a dell BT keyboard cause it looks just like the standard one at work22:48
Takhmm, is there a registration-not-required image hosting site?22:48
LinuxCodebastards they reduced the price of the N81022:48
dorkybotdid they?22:48
fysaimageshack doesn't require registration?22:48
dorkybothow much?22:48
LinuxCodeRRP: £289.9922:48
zaheermLinuxCode, how much now?22:49
LinuxCodesays the site I bought it from22:49
LinuxCodeit used to be £33022:49
jacksterLinuxCode, per chance?22:49
zaheermit's only that sells it at £32922:49
LinuxCodejackster, yes sir22:50
zaheermeverywhere else it's cheaper22:50
* lcuk paid 289 for his22:50
dorkybot$407.99 at with coupon code22:50
lcuk+10 super delivery22:50
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LinuxCodelcuk, same22:50
dorkybotthat beats ebay22:50
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LinuxCodefree delivery i had22:50
lcukdirect from nokia22:51
jacksterhow did nokia decide who got the developer discounts?22:51
LinuxCodewell actually I only paid £6022:51
lcukstraw pole22:51
LinuxCodesomebody else paid the rest22:51
lcuki think they looked around the forums for the people who were gonna get them right at the start and offered them discounts so they would wait a while for everyone else to get them before letting those who wanted them badly get them so they didnt moan about the pipe and tab keys22:52
* lcuk breathes22:52
lcukhow did you pay £60?22:53
Takwith a credit card! (ba dum bing)22:53
LinuxCodelcuk, somebody else paid the rest22:53
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* Tak play recorded laugh track22:53
lcuklinux, have you been using those credit card numbers you "found"22:54
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LinuxCodedo it right tak22:55
LinuxCodeplease click laughs (with music) thanks22:55
LinuxCodelcuk, naa mate...22:55
LinuxCodecompany I do stuff for paid most of it22:55
Takdoing things right is against my nature22:55
lcuki got mine with xmas bonus :)22:57
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GeneralAntillesCold, hard cash.22:58
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fysaI whored myself out $5 a shot on the steps of Main Station.23:00
LinuxCodelcuk, kinda same scenario then ;-D23:00
* LinuxCode pays fysa $523:00
lcukyer, last year we got the wii, this year it was all for meeeeeeee23:00
LinuxCodeall I need ya to do is type stuff for me23:01
* fysa snaps a polaroid of LinuxCode23:01
* LinuxCode throws the cam at fysa's head23:01
Takhmm, I still need to get a wii23:01
Takand a capture card23:01
LinuxCodetype bitch!23:01
fysayou type out what I should type23:01
LinuxCodeI dictate23:01
fysaso I know23:01
fysawhat to type.23:01
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lcuklinux, you will have to shout really loud23:02
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LinuxCodelcuk, thats ok mate23:03
Takshouting is so 20th-century23:03
Taknow we have gizmo23:03
LinuxCodeTak, yeah haha23:03
LinuxCodeTak, peple who shout are liars23:03
LinuxCodesee hitler23:03
LinuxCodesee stalin23:03
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fysa(or wearing headphones)23:04
TakYou know who shouted louder than the Nazis?  INDIANA JONES.23:04
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LinuxCodeTak, hahah23:04
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LinuxCodeactually its quite scary now23:09
LinuxCodethey stick 3-5MegaPixel cams into mobiles23:09
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LinuxCodethe size of a matchbox23:09
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LinuxCodenow anyone can take  pic of you without you even knowing23:09
GeneralAntillesThey're noisy as hell, though. :P23:09
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, ?23:10
LinuxCodethe cams ?23:10
LinuxCodeif you switch sound off ?23:10
Cptnodegardnot all of them23:10
Cptnodegardsom erules specify they have to make a noise but half the manufacturers don tgive a crap23:10
lcukGeneralAntilles, you know the htc handset lawsuit thing, people are getting more and more wound up about it and it seems to have so many parallels to our situation23:10
LinuxCodelcuk, ?23:11
LinuxCodeelaborate please23:11
GeneralAntillesYes, but ours is a hardware limitation. :P23:11
LinuxCodeIm intruiged23:11
LinuxCodeI know what you guys are talking about now23:11
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GeneralAntillesIf you think we have something, go lawyer up, lcuk. :P23:11
lcukrecent HTC devices have 3d hardware inside the chipset.  however recent devices do not use the hardware.  there is talk of a class action lawsuit to get the drivers included23:12
LinuxCodebtw that link is safe for work!23:12
LinuxCodejust for the record23:12
* lcuk lawyers up23:12
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LinuxCodelcuk, you sound very american mate23:12
LinuxCodeIm getting worried23:13
lcukim bloody not23:13
* lcuk eats a pie23:13
LinuxCodethe lawyer bit..made it sound like it23:13
Cptnodegardmacgyver > indiana jones23:13
* Cptnodegard needs to learn to scroll down23:13
lcukmichael knight > macgyver23:13
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* czr hands a scroll of down to Cptnodegard 23:13
GeneralAntillesJesus > all23:13
Cptnodegardgeneral oneill > macgyver23:13
LinuxCodegod < *23:14
Cptnodegardme > *23:14
LinuxCodeCptnodegard, isnt that a oxymoron ?23:14
LinuxCodesince its the same actor ?!?!23:14
czrmac gyver is not an actor!23:14
czrhe's a real human being.23:14
LinuxCodebesides Hawk > Michael knight23:14
Cptnodegardnah RDN > RDN is an oxymoron :p23:14
czrunless you redefine >.23:15
LinuxCodeI hope that amsn developer guy submitted the build spec to maemo23:15
lcukBA > Hawk23:15
LinuxCodefor tcl+amsn23:15
TakSpenser > Hawk23:15
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LinuxCodebecause that would be 7 packages more23:15
czrhmm. using -O0 -pg wasn't such a grand idea23:15
LinuxCodespenser was good!23:15
LinuxCodeI need to get that on dvd23:15
czrskippy > all-ya.23:15
Takdvd?  READ.23:16
LinuxCodeall these new series dont do shit for me23:16
lcukcolumbo > Spenser23:16
LinuxCodelcuk, naaa23:16
LinuxCodecolumbo is...different23:16
LinuxCodewhat was that series called again23:16
LinuxCodenight hawk ?!?!23:16
lcukcolumbo is the linux of detectives23:16
LinuxCodeor something23:16
LinuxCodethat was quite good too23:16
* czr is going to dress like columbo when he gets old enough23:16
LinuxCodeczr, bahah23:16
* Tak is going to dress like gandalf when he gets old23:17
czrlcuk, scruffy, but infinitely powerful once you're willing to tweak him some and give him some love?23:17
* lcuk puts on his wizard hat!23:17
* czr runs away to the tower before it's too late23:17
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* LinuxCode puts on a fedora23:17
* LinuxCode puts on his trench coat23:18
* lcuk calls the cops about that strange linux guy in a trenchcoat23:18
* LinuxCode gets out his N810 and opens it23:18
* LinuxCode says "1 person to beam up!"23:18
LinuxCodeohh dont work23:19
LinuxCodewrong film23:19
lcukyer, you need a flip phone for that to work23:19
LinuxCodethe N810 is better than the things they have23:19
LinuxCodewe need a remake23:19
lcuknahhh, i would have a tricorder anyday23:19
lcuki bet they ran linux23:19
LinuxCodelcuk, haha23:19
LinuxCodeI bet they did!23:19
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LinuxCodewindows would crash23:20
lcukspock wasnt looking at swirly patterns, he was sshing into uhuras terminal23:20
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lophytethere's actually an LCARS theme for OS200723:20
lophyteto make your IT look like a tricorder23:20
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lcuktheme or fully working interface?23:20
lophyteI dunno I haven't tried it23:20
LinuxCodeIm using plankton atm23:21
lophyteits on maemo-apps.org23:21
GeneralAntillesLCARS wasn't on the tricorder. :P23:21
LinuxCodewicked site23:21
lophytenot tricorder23:21
LinuxCodehow dare you guys withold it from me!23:21
* LinuxCode bookmarks23:21
lophytethe LCARS theme is meant to make the IT look like a PADD23:21
lophytewhich it kinda is...23:22
lophytemore or less23:22
lcukdamnit lophyte im a developer not a mind reader23:22
czra developing mind reader would be better23:22
lophytedoesn't that look like an IT?23:22
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lcukyer, but they obviously got the left handed hack working23:23
TakI still want the damn doom3 theme23:23
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lophyteTak, to make it look like the doom3 PDA?23:23
lophytethat would rock23:23
Taksomeone posted screenshots, but no files23:23
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lcukhi tama23:24
dorkybotheh ... xbill was a fun game. it should be good on a touchscreen23:25
lophyteI wanna try the LCARS theme but I'm afraid it won't work in 200823:25
dorkybothaven't seen it in years23:26
GeneralAntillesIt wont.23:26
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lophytedamn it23:28
lophyteI should install 2007 on an SD card just for LCARS23:28
Tak...or you could just port the theme23:28
lophyteyeah but I'm lazy23:28
lophyteI don't know anything about how to make themes23:29
JaffaShould be straightforward23:29
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lophytehaha wow23:31
lophytetat's pretty awesome23:31
dorkybothope they fix it23:32
lophytethe wikipage says they're not planning on supporting future versions of maemo23:32
lophyte"We do not currently plan to support any future versions of the Maemo platform, since Nokia abandoned the 770 at an age of only 14 months."23:33
dorkybotbeing petulant23:33
fysarightfully so.23:33
fysa(leaving it on the doorstep)23:33
dorkybotwe all know something better is coming23:34
dorkybotbut we still buy23:34
fysaI would prefer that Nokia come out with something every year.23:34
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fysathen I just buy every other year.23:34
Tak14 months is the proper age at which to abandon offspring23:34
fysa(or every year ..)23:34
lcukhow often have flash updates been released from nokia based on past form?23:35
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GeneralAntillesImmature 770 owners are funny.23:37
lophyteI was gonna get a 770, good thing I opted for the 80023:37
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LinuxCodethe big problem is that nokia needs to put packages into the repo23:39
LinuxCodethe ones that now clearly seem to work23:39
LinuxCodeforget new devices23:39
GeneralAntilleslcuk, 3-4 months-ish23:39
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LinuxCodethey can give away as many sponsored devices as they like...if theres no repo for the packages made23:40
GeneralAntillesExpecting Nokia to stick with the 770 for two years is stupid.23:40
GeneralAntillesIt's old and slow.23:40
Cymor-WorkHow long do they support their phones?23:40
fysathese aren't desktop computers.23:40
fysaas much as we pretend ;)23:40
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bkrusewhat does maemo use as its audio backend?23:41
fysanot like the days when you could walk into any room at random and have a decent chance a C64 or C128 is near23:41
pH5is hildon-status-bar-usb closed source?23:42
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GeneralAntillesAll the statusbar stuff is closed, pH5.23:42
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Takbkruse: esd and alsa23:45
bkruseTak: binding directly to alsa using alsa-lib?23:45
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LinuxCodeno space left on device23:46
Takbkruse: afaik23:46
LinuxCodeI guess I will have to tell dpkg to use another path ?!?!23:47
bkruseTak: cool. thanks :]23:47
fysadelete manuals?23:47
fysaand nokia avi?23:48
bkruseI need to get someone to give me a device so I can develop this iax client :]23:48
LinuxCodefysa, hmmm arent they stored on the mmc2 ?23:48
LinuxCodeinternal card ?23:48
fysaah, yes23:48
GeneralAntillesLinuxCode, get rid of the pdfs.23:48
GeneralAntillesEr, what fysa said.23:48
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, ahh k23:48
LinuxCodelets see23:48
sp3000du -max / | awk '$1>1' | sort -n23:49
LinuxCodei checked details23:49
Takbkruse: you'd be a good candidate23:49
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bkruseTak: how so?23:50
* bkruse clicks link23:50
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bkruseTak: Thanks, I will sign up. I hope I get this. If I get this first, I will develop for maemo vs openmoko :]23:52
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LinuxCodeabiword dont work23:56
LinuxCodethought I could force it hehe23:56
fysaI heard KOffice works..23:57
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fysain KDE..23:57
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bkruseTak: submitted, think I stand a chance?23:58
bkrusehey, could you read it for me and see what you think? things I could change about the entry, etc23:59
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LinuxCodefysa, kde on the N810 ?!?!23:59

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