| czr | lcuk_2, otherwise yes :-) | 00:00 |
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| czr | lcuk_2, you'll probably want to use scp to copy the files over | 00:00 |
| p| | hum | 00:00 |
| lcuk_2 | veggen, yes its got chinook dsks but i think my inexperience with linux in general is getting in the way. im getting lost with systems within systems and where binaries end up and all kinds of crap | 00:00 |
| p| | no irb on ruby4maemo ? | 00:00 |
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| lcuk_2 | sdks ^ | 00:00 |
| fysa | or nfs? | 00:01 |
| * lcuk_2 thinks he should find a local linux guru and peck his head | 00:01 | |
| * lcuk_2 will offer him beer | 00:01 | |
| fysa | with a claw hammer? | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eat his brains. Gain his knowledge! | 00:01 |
| Veggen | lcuk: beer often helps. | 00:02 |
| lcuk_2 | nahhh fysa - i just need to sit down with someone and get the env setup | 00:02 |
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| lcuk_2 | once im there and i can get at stuff im fine but its just way OTT - i think i could do direct linux building now but scratchbox within linux within vmware is just yarghhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 00:03 |
| Tak | p|: nope | 00:03 |
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| lcuk_2 | anyway ill ponder that later | 00:03 |
| lcuk_2 | cyas later guys | 00:03 |
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| czr | lcuk_2, if you're using debian/ubuntu, it's pretty easy to do "direct" building (without the vmware in between) | 00:14 |
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| maddler | oompa loompa... | 00:16 |
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| pupnik | oop vmware broke my shift key ;/ bbl | 00:29 |
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| jackster | anyone know a good podcatcher other than canoly? | 00:55 |
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| ph|ber | canola2 ROCKS! | 00:55 |
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| jackster | indeed, but other than canola | 00:56 |
| lcuk_2 | czr, main system is running windows..daytime work depends upon it too much to not have it fully usable | 00:57 |
| czr | lcuk_2, ah, I see. so what's the problem then? | 00:57 |
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| czr | "Sorry, we are unable to process your request. Our system is experiencing some difficulties. Please try again later. ". awww. | 00:58 |
| czr | how sad. | 00:58 |
| czr | one would think that HP would have some hw to spare. guess not. | 00:58 |
| lcuk_2 | its just inexperience i think | 00:59 |
| czr | mine or theirs? :-) | 00:59 |
| czr | they're used to me. I bitch about bugs in their hardware and other crap | 00:59 |
| lcuk_2 | i prefer one step at a time, but getting used to linux+exclipse+scratchbox+maemo all at once has kindof fried my brain | 00:59 |
| czr | ah, you meant linuxwindowsthing | 00:59 |
| lcuk_2 | yer lol | 01:00 |
| czr | lcuk_2, have you taken a look at the training material? | 01:00 |
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| czr | it starts in very shallow waters, so to speak | 01:00 |
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| lcuk_2 | i tried right at the start, but i dont think i was ready. it all just went over my head. ive had time to digest some stuff now so think if i restart it all i might actually get it together | 01:00 |
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| * czr nods | 01:01 | |
| czr | it assumes some experience with Linux and C | 01:01 |
| czr | although the starting with maemo material should be quite generic | 01:01 |
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| czr | there's also 'technology overview', but I haven't read it so can't say whether you should either :-) | 01:02 |
| lcuk_2 | the c part is fine (if a little rusty) but not understanding how linux slotted together and then needing to jump that ont oa cross compilation rig as well just made it go gaga | 01:02 |
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| lcuk_2 | also learning how to type would help | 01:02 |
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| czr | the getting start material handles that pretty gracefully methinks | 01:02 |
| czr | it must be all the pink fur on your back, limiting your movement ;-) | 01:02 |
| lcuk_2 | yer i am getting better at handling the shell i think | 01:03 |
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| czr | the shell is your friend after all | 01:03 |
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| lcuk_2 | yer, its not point and click... | 01:03 |
| * lcuk_2 sobs | 01:03 | |
| czr | it's for people who appreciate power over repetition | 01:04 |
| * czr patpats lcuk_2 | 01:04 | |
| lcuk_2 | toolchains for the windows (full/pocket) devices havent changed much in years | 01:04 |
| czr | yup | 01:04 |
| czr | shell hasn't changed in unix either. for much longer than in windows I might add. | 01:05 |
| czr | (at least the basic stuff, and basic commands) | 01:05 |
| lcuk_2 | there is just an overwhelming amount of - choice - in linux as to which path is best. i will find my way as i have with python | 01:05 |
| czr | and the unix shell exist long past the time when MS decides to drop their poor excuse of a shell from their 4D desktop systems | 01:05 |
| czr | lcuk_2, indeed there is :-) | 01:05 |
| czr | lcuk_2, try to find people close to you (relatively) and ask them what to use. that way you'll know who to ask about the problems (or just use IRC) | 01:06 |
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| czr | I'd probably forgo the whole eclipse "experience" if I'd be you | 01:06 |
| czr | although you'll probably want to torture yourself with a GUI environment, right? | 01:06 |
| lcuk_2 | i mentioned that earlier, im gonna see whos knocking around here and grab some training :) | 01:06 |
| * czr nods | 01:06 | |
| lcuk_2 | not at all, i yearn for a basic (within reason...) editor with a build now button | 01:07 |
| czr | also, this channel is pretty friendly if not always very active, feel free to ask | 01:07 |
| lcuk_2 | i know that, its been a great resource so far :) | 01:07 |
| czr | build button = writing make on the command line and pressing enter.. :-) | 01:07 |
| czr | <jedi>You don't need the mouse in order to be productive</jedi> | 01:07 |
| lcuk_2 | no, but the up arrow on 810 is a million miles away - i do editing in notepad here on windows and save back directly with SCP and run it under python | 01:08 |
| lcuk_2 | its enough to get me comfortable without hassle | 01:08 |
| lcuk_2 | its about the same effort as it was coding for my pocketpc | 01:09 |
| lcuk_2 | only its faster... | 01:09 |
| lcuk_2 | anyway, i think i will re-extract this vmware image and see how far i can get tonight | 01:10 |
| lcuk_2 | thx for the boost, catch you later :) | 01:11 |
| czr | later lcuk_2 | 01:12 |
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| pupnik | Baldur's Gate: http://pupnik.de/Gemrb_Screen1_1280.jpg :D | 01:21 |
| Xamuzk | actually, I use eclipse to edit python | 01:22 |
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| Xamuzk | pupnik, damn, how did you do it? that game is great! | 01:23 |
| pupnik | :P | 01:23 |
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| pupnik | just got it running 15 minutes ago | 01:23 |
| jott | sdl ftw :) | 01:23 |
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| elb | is baldur's gate open source, now? | 01:24 |
| jott | there is a oss clone GemRB ... | 01:24 |
| pupnik | no, i bought the 4-game set for like 10 euro | 01:24 |
| jott | data files are still not free i suppose | 01:25 |
| pupnik | yes, but they are incredibly cheap for the value | 01:25 |
| elb | oh, so you're just using the data files from the game? | 01:25 |
| pupnik | yes | 01:25 |
| elb | interesting | 01:25 |
| Xamuzk | cool | 01:25 |
| elb | was the game engine reverse-engineered, or are its mechanics known? | 01:25 |
| elb | (the accomplishment is awesome, by the way) | 01:25 |
| * elb reads the docs | 01:26 | |
| pupnik | reverse engineered by a heroic team over 8 years | 01:26 |
| Xamuzk | it's just hard to put 4 CDs inside the N810... it's go sd! | 01:26 |
| pupnik | bg2 is about 2.3 GB on SD | 01:26 |
| jott | Xamuzk: you could swap 1gb sds ;) | 01:26 |
| Xamuzk | cool | 01:26 |
| Xamuzk | I quit my gaming days when I chose to use linux | 01:27 |
| elb | ahh, I see, the baldur's gate engine is something like the infosys engine | 01:27 |
| user_810 | xamuz... same here... and no remorse... :D | 01:27 |
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| maddler_810 | doh... didnt realized... | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what consoles are for. ;) | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stick with the last generation and everything's super-cheap, too! | 01:30 |
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| elb | GeneralAntilles: amen | 01:33 |
| elb | GeneralAntilles: I'm rocking out the used PS2 games for $5-10 each -- I never played them when they were new, so they're all new material to me ;-) | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | My problem is that I buy the consoles around release and don't buy games until they're in the $10 bin. | 01:34 |
| lardman | night chaps | 01:34 |
| pupnik | way to go | 01:34 |
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| pupnik | cu lardman|gone | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got a release-day PS2 that I just started getting games for. | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Picked up the GTA series for $12.99 from Best Buy. :D | 01:34 |
| elb | I bought the PS2 after the PS3 came out when it dropped to like $100 | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I admit I get a lot of play out of my 360 and Wii. | 01:35 |
| elb | yeah, I picked up GTA:VC for like $4 the other day at Game Stop | 01:35 |
| elb | I'm too cheap for the new consoles | 01:35 |
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| elb | but I completely agree with the sentiment ... computer games just aren't worth the headache | 01:35 |
| elb | Windows, drivers, etc. | 01:35 |
| elb | I've never had to upgrade DirectX to get my GameCube or PS2 working ;-) | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm something of a Mac "gamer". | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lot of good shareware and freeware stuff out there. | 01:36 |
| elb | that said ... StarCraft | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 01:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 12 years old and still going strong! | 01:36 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, Yeah, and PhotoShop is aaaawesome :D | 01:36 |
| * maddler_810 keeps playing with his NDS :D | 01:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Always loved the Ambrosias SW stuff. | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Ambrosias/Ambrosia/ | 01:37 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Always loved the Ambrosia SW stuff. | 01:37 |
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| |R | Maelstrom! | 01:37 |
| pupnik | intro sequence working | 01:38 |
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| Xamuzk | actually, the best game ever for me is Total Anihillation | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, yeah, |R! :D | 01:39 |
| pupnik | damn this is so cool | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I miss Avara. | 01:40 |
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| Xamuzk | the old adventures were also cool | 01:41 |
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| lcuk_2 | :) | 01:56 |
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| b0unc3 | is there any way to set a transparent background on a GtkTextView ? | 02:01 |
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| Exotics5 | Hi all !!! http://exotics.heavenforum.com --- EXOTICS ADULT FORUM OPENED ! MEMBERSHIP IS FREE !!! A NEW ADULT FORUM FOR FREE ADULT MATERIALS ! LET'S GET THIS FORUM SUPPORTED AND A HUGE ADULT STORAGE !!!! COME ON !!! | 02:05 |
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| NeoStrider | yo! | 02:05 |
| pupnik | hey NeoStrider | 02:06 |
| NeoStrider | wazzup? | 02:06 |
| pupnik | this Baldur's Gate: http://pupnik.de/Gemrb_Screen1_1280.jpg :D | 02:06 |
| hugolp | pupnik: I want that | 02:06 |
| hugolp | XD | 02:07 |
| pupnik | yeah i hope somebody (not me) makes it work well | 02:08 |
| pupnik | ooh Fn+ key working in GemRB! | 02:08 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | what do you guys use to convert videos for n810 on ubuntu? | 02:09 |
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| pupnik | i use mencoder or 770-encode.pl | 02:09 |
| magicrobotmonkey | k | 02:10 |
| b0unc3 | mediautils.garage.maemo.org iirc | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mostly mediaserv, actually. | 02:11 |
| magicrobotmonkey | wow that looks good | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardly ever pre-encode. | 02:11 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea | 02:11 |
| magicrobotmonkey | ive been looking for something like that for a while | 02:11 |
| magicrobotmonkey | but i have to pre-encode for the bus | 02:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 3g + a big upstream pipe at home. :D | 02:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, 3g or wifi at uni. | 02:12 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | wonder how evdo would handle it, but my upstream pipe's far too small | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~1200Kbps for high-quality | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could get away with as low as ~500Kbps total for OK quality. | 02:13 |
| magicrobotmonkey | ill have to hit a bandwidth test next time im on with the phone | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think evdo is kinda slow | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | maybe 20KB/sec | 02:14 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea its not great | 02:14 |
| magicrobotmonkey | i can plan ahead a little though | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pre-encoding isn't particularly hard. | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Set up a script to handle the encoding and copying via scp. | 02:14 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea i just have to know what im gonna want to watc... | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Up the Kbps of the "best" preset to around 1000Kbps for better quality. | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa went a little conservative with it. | 02:15 |
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| lcuk_2 | in the maemovmware image i have managed to get x86 samples compiled and running in xephyr. i have changed the target to armel and now cannot get xephyr to run. is this normal or should i be able to still test inside the vmware, or are the applications that i build now totally arm onmly binaries and must run on the devices itself? | 02:19 |
| lcuk_2 | (or have i messed up again...) | 02:19 |
| pupnik | you should be able to leave xephyr running regardless of your active target | 02:20 |
| pupnik | it's essentially a 'remote' X server | 02:21 |
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| lcuk_2 | in the instructions they told me to run " af-sb-init.sh stop", change the target and then re-run " af-sb-init.sh start" which i have done. i thought i did something wrong when i got error messages so closed everything down. hence having trouble re-opening. i will put the errors in pastebin if you could take a quick shuftie please | 02:22 |
| pupnik | yes | 02:23 |
| pupnik | it makes sense that the af-sb-init.sh should be stopped before switching | 02:23 |
| pupnik | but af-sb-init.sh is not xephyr | 02:23 |
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| skibur | Heath Ledger died! | 02:26 |
| lcuk_2 | when i open the scratchbox environment from the vmware image i get a shell window and empty xephyr window. when i followed instructions the first time (with x86 target) i got a working maemo desktop within zep. once i changed the target and did the same errors came | 02:26 |
| lcuk_2 | pupnik, i gather xephyr is the an emulated device host | 02:27 |
| pupnik | yes | 02:27 |
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| johnx | lcuk_2, xephyr is just an X server | 02:28 |
| lcuk_2 | i was expecting it to just pop back into maemo desktop once i changed targets so now its not my run of things going smoothly has broken.. | 02:28 |
| lcuk_2 | http://pastebin.org/16579 | 02:28 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | wow mediaserv is amazing! | 02:30 |
| kaie | when I connect the n810 to linux via usb cable, i get kernel errors in dmesg. it complains it attempts to access sectors beyond the end of the device | 02:30 |
| kaie | does this indicate the original filesystem that came on the internal 2gb memory card is wrong? | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I think reformat will fix it. | 02:31 |
| lcuk_2 | reformat of 810 2GB internal will lose maps | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Evidently it was an issue that was found in the pre-production units but never actually fully fixed for the shipping ones. | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk_2, you can redownload them. | 02:31 |
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| kaie | ok thanks | 02:31 |
| lcuk_2 | phew - i wondered about that, they arent in the flash image | 02:31 |
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| lcuk_2 | pupnik | 02:32 |
| lcuk_2 | its ok, i *think* i have it | 02:32 |
| kaie | well, and I can copy the files to another disk before I reformat... | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gawd, imagine everybody downloading a 2GB firmware image with the server the way it was over the holidays. <_< | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or do that, kaie. | 02:33 |
| kaie | what tool should I use to reformat? mkfs.vfat probably? /me goes to look if that is installed on the n810 | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can probably just format from the filemanager. | 02:33 |
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| pupnik | ? | 02:34 |
| pupnik | oh | 02:34 |
| lcuk_2 | when on the armel target "af-sb-init.sh start" fails but when i swithc back it works. i will test in a minute but i believe that the exes built in the shell should just work on the device. | 02:34 |
| pupnik | i'll try it here | 02:35 |
| lcuk_2 | but that when targetting the armel i cannot test | 02:35 |
| lcuk_2 | ^in the vmware | 02:35 |
| pupnik | yes kale | 02:35 |
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| * lcuk_2 is glad there are people around to sound things off on :) | 02:37 | |
| pupnik | am starting vmware, one minute pls kc | 02:38 |
| pupnik | lcuk_2: | 02:38 |
| lcuk_2 | okies, ive managed to wrestle my device off the missus anway | 02:38 |
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| lcuk_2 | :O holy poo - i just nearly used a lit cig as my stylus. that will teach me for keeping it in my mouth | 02:39 |
| rene4jazz | can I use gtk 2.10 on n770? | 02:40 |
| rene4jazz | also libcairo? | 02:40 |
| pupnik | i think so | 02:40 |
| pupnik | hahahahaha | 02:40 |
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| rene4jazz | but, what about the floating point aritmetic that libcairo uses? | 02:41 |
| pupnik | i can't recreate that problem lcuk_2 . for what it's worth, i never use the x86 scratchbox target at all | 02:41 |
| rene4jazz | it's a special port of libcairo for embeded devices? | 02:41 |
| lcuk_2 | pup, i dont think its a problem. whats an easy place to put exe files for my testing? | 02:42 |
| lcuk_2 | /usr/bin ? | 02:43 |
| pupnik | i usually scp them to /home/user/<program> | 02:43 |
| pupnik | then run them from there | 02:43 |
| kbsingh | there are some scary people in the mailing-list | 02:43 |
| * pupnik raises hand | 02:43 | |
| lcuk_2 | :) /home/user/liq | 02:43 |
| pupnik | http://maemo4mobile.garage.maemo.org/gdk_cairo.html rene4jazz check that | 02:43 |
| kbsingh | someone wants to run spamassassin on a n810 | 02:43 |
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| rene4jazz | take a look to "m_cairo_ctx->arc(randx, randy, rands, 0.0, 2.0 * M_PI);" | 02:46 |
| rene4jazz | there is floating type value | 02:46 |
| rene4jazz | so?, n8xx can work with floats.....and what about n770? | 02:47 |
| rene4jazz | does sardine with the gtk 2.10 work on n770? no degradation at all? | 02:48 |
| kaie | GeneralAntilles, I don't see a format command in gui filemanager | 02:48 |
| kaie | but mkfs.vfat is install | 02:48 |
| kaie | +ed | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's in the menu | 02:48 |
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| pupnik | rene4jazz: latest distro for 770 is os2007he, which uses 'bora' as its base, so it's not the newest version | 02:48 |
| rene4jazz | ????? | 02:49 |
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| lcuk_2 | \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ w00000t and all that jazz | 02:49 |
| pupnik | it can do floats | 02:49 |
| kaie | GeneralAntilles, ok found it, but it's grayed out... maybe I need to stop swap and/or reboot... | 02:49 |
| pupnik | restarted scratchbox lcuk_2 ? | 02:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, gotta kill VM. | 02:49 |
| lcuk_2 | no pup, when the dev target is set to armel it wont run but i dont care, once i rebuilt the exe and copied over it runs | 02:50 |
| rene4jazz | pupnik: does 'bora' uses gtk 2.10? | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only Chinook, rene4jazz. | 02:50 |
| lcuk_2 | thats enough for right now, ive had success :) | 02:51 |
| lcuk_2 | exactly 1 month since i got the device... | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you were in high-school you could celebrate an anniversary. :P | 02:52 |
| rene4jazz | does the n8xx hardware handle the floating point aritmetic, or is emulated? | 02:52 |
| lcuk_2 | im young at heart - ill go and crack open a beer | 02:52 |
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| NeoStrider | hey folks | 02:54 |
| alterego | You're too young to drink.! | 02:54 |
| alterego | Even if it's just yer heart. | 02:54 |
| NeoStrider | check out my new video : http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=2ulAlQFD9S0 | 02:54 |
| NeoStrider | nobody is too young to drink | 02:54 |
| NeoStrider | even babies drink some soft kind of Moloko =-) | 02:54 |
| lcuk_2 | vodka on top | 02:55 |
| NeoStrider | (moloko -> clockwork orange) | 02:55 |
| alterego | Nice framerate .. | 02:55 |
| NeoStrider | =-D | 02:55 |
| NeoStrider | thanks | 02:55 |
| NeoStrider | almost the same @ 770 | 02:55 |
| lcuk_2 | one final question for the night. vmware eclipse: i cannot view any of the header files. clicking open definition on a header says "could not find include file 'hildon/hildon-program.h' on include paths" where do i find them (so i can add the path..) | 02:58 |
| johnx | lcuk_2, find / -name hildon-program.h inside scratchbox :) | 03:00 |
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| johnx | or even find /usr -name blah | 03:00 |
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| lcuk_2 | thx john, its wildly searching now, ive been scratching my head about that.. | 03:01 |
| johnx | actually, you can pretty much assume that all your headers (bleh.h) are in /usr/include | 03:01 |
| johnx | I just gave you the shotgun approach | 03:01 |
| alterego | Hopefully this server migration will go as planned. | 03:02 |
| alterego | I'm sick of all the downtime I'm getting from my current providers >:( | 03:02 |
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| johnx | rene4jazz, the N8x0 hardware can do floating point, but depending on how libraries/apps are compiled it may or may not be used | 03:04 |
| lcuk_2 | its hit 4 versions (1 for each target), for example: /targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL/usr/include/hildon-1/hildon/hildon-program.h does that imply that "hildon-1" is configured as an additional include path (ontop of usr/include) or does the compiler just look recursively? | 03:04 |
| alterego | I don't think VPF is enabled in default compilation. I think you'll have to set the flag explicitly during build time. | 03:05 |
| alterego | I wonder if we start a donation pot, whether we could get the funds together to buy the rights to distribute the drivers for the 3D graphics adapter. | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Donating pot? | 03:06 |
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| alterego | Yeah, if we all put in a bit of cash and try and buy it from imagination | 03:06 |
| alterego | Kind of like how Blender got OS | 03:06 |
| johnx | alterego, nah. I want to buy the closed source maemo stuff from Nokia first :/ | 03:06 |
| alterego | Why? | 03:07 |
| johnx | to avoid the 770 situation happening next year | 03:07 |
| alterego | Most of the closed source stuff is pointless and can be replaced pretty easily :P | 03:07 |
| lcuk_2 | alter i dont think its funds we need. we need to activate the powervr and then code up something to copy the (640*480 max) rendered screen from within the 2420 onto the lcd controller | 03:07 |
| alterego | johnx, the N8x0 devices will be updated until 2010. | 03:07 |
| johnx | and I could see them lasting much longer than that in terms of hardware | 03:08 |
| alterego | You have to remember that the N810, which has just been released isn't going to go out of date in a year. Which means the N800 will not either. | 03:08 |
| johnx | I still don't like being beholden to the whim of a single company | 03:08 |
| alterego | N8x0's will probably get supported 2010 releases aswell .. | 03:08 |
| alterego | You're not. | 03:08 |
| johnx | and I intend it to stay that way. :) | 03:09 |
| alterego | You can work on your own OS for it if you like. The platform is pretty open really .. | 03:09 |
| johnx | it's mostly open | 03:09 |
| alterego | Except the 3D drivers .. | 03:09 |
| johnx | it's better than the zaurus situation was at any rate | 03:09 |
| johnx | do we even know if the 3D chip will help that much? | 03:09 |
| alterego | Sure, for 3D. | 03:10 |
| johnx | oh also, epiphany-webkit runs *great* on an N800 under Debian :) | 03:10 |
| alterego | Cool. | 03:10 |
| lcuk_2 | it will change the playing field john. we move from forcing 3d rendering as software into a problem of moving a finished image from one internal framebuffer to another display framebuffer | 03:10 |
| alterego | EABI? | 03:10 |
| pupnik | totally forgot what epiphany is | 03:10 |
| johnx | alterego, of course | 03:11 |
| johnx | pupnik, web browser :) | 03:11 |
| alterego | Cool, I really hope armel is adopted fully by debian. | 03:11 |
| alterego | Maybe by 2010 ;) | 03:11 |
| johnx | alterego, it will be | 03:11 |
| johnx | 90% of packages build | 03:11 |
| johnx | s/build/are built | 03:11 |
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| johnx | and it's on track for the next stable release AFAIK | 03:11 |
| johnx | debian ARMEL is here to stay...in the debian "long term" :D | 03:12 |
| alterego | Ah, in 2010 :D | 03:12 |
| johnx | whatever. :P no one uses stable anyways | 03:12 |
| johnx | heh | 03:12 |
| alterego | Naturally, will it replace 'arm' though? | 03:12 |
| * alterego does. | 03:12 | |
| johnx | you already use packages that debian marks "unstable" on your tablet | 03:13 |
| alterego | Sure, | 03:13 |
| johnx | it won't replace ARM because ARM still exists to support the StrongARM (armv4) | 03:13 |
| alterego | But maemo isn't strictly debian :P | 03:13 |
| johnx | but once there are no more users for arm they'll drop it in favor of armel | 03:13 |
| alterego | They should rename it armv4 then .. | 03:13 |
| johnx | well, it's really arm OABI | 03:14 |
| alterego | Heh | 03:14 |
| rene4jazz | does any one have a link to install debian on the tablets? | 03:14 |
| johnx | rene4jazz, ahahaha | 03:14 |
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| johnx | hahaha | 03:14 |
| johnx | ha | 03:14 |
| johnx | heh | 03:14 |
| johnx | no | 03:14 |
| jott | johnx: why not? *gg* | 03:14 |
| johnx | I'll post a writeup later today | 03:14 |
| alterego | It's not much effort really. | 03:15 |
| johnx | actually, what would be an appropriate wiki to put it on? | 03:15 |
| alterego | I'm presuming you can use debootstrap and the unofficial armel repository. | 03:15 |
| rene4jazz | I'm thinking maybe DSL will fit well on the tablet hardware | 03:15 |
| johnx | rene4jazz, if you want a debian chroot it is incredibly simple | 03:15 |
| johnx | rene4jazz, is DSL compiled for ARM? | 03:15 |
| rene4jazz | no yet, but I'm looking for info | 03:16 |
| johnx | if you want to boot debian it's a little more in depth | 03:16 |
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| alterego | Sure, but basically you use debootstrap to create the rootfs? Then you hack the initfs | 03:16 |
| rene4jazz | but the mayor problem I think is related to input (virtual keyboard, hand writing recog, etc) | 03:17 |
| alterego | rene4jazz, not on the N810 ;) | 03:17 |
| alterego | Or with a USB HID keyboard. | 03:17 |
| rene4jazz | haha, write | 03:17 |
| rene4jazz | I'm a n770 user :D | 03:17 |
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| johnx | alterego, unless you have a different kernel than the included one you don't get console on framebuffer :P | 03:17 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 03:18 |
| alterego | Are you sure you can't just change the boot parameters? | 03:18 |
| johnx | alterego, I have no idea honestly | 03:19 |
| alterego | Ah, worth looking into then ;) | 03:19 |
| johnx | but console on framebuffer isn't in their kernel config | 03:19 |
| alterego | Oh | 03:19 |
| johnx | and enabling it gets me nothing | 03:19 |
| lcuk_2 | ive seen people anting to view the boot commands but noone has managed it | 03:19 |
| lcuk_2 | wanting^ | 03:19 |
| rene4jazz | but GPE also has an available virtual keyboard | 03:19 |
| johnx | rene4jazz, that's what I intend to use | 03:19 |
| alterego | Should be in the fiasco image somewhere. | 03:19 |
| johnx | I'm having issues writing to /dev/fb0 actually | 03:19 |
| rene4jazz | johnx: do you have any posts on that_ | 03:20 |
| rene4jazz | ? | 03:20 |
| johnx | rene4jazz, no | 03:20 |
| johnx | I think a wiki is a better medium for this | 03:20 |
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| johnx | so how about someone suggests a wiki to put the writeup on? | 03:20 |
| johnx | is maemo.org more appropriate or internettablettalk? | 03:21 |
| rene4jazz | I think that the memory consuption of the OS is to much, just after booting it uses half of ram | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, they both seem a bit like cess-pools. :P | 03:22 |
| johnx | rene4jazz, how much of that is "cached" | 03:22 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles, ;) | 03:22 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, so suggest a better one! | 03:22 |
| johnx | I'm not hosting this on my personal site | 03:22 |
| alterego | I think a blog post is fine. | 03:22 |
| jott | wiki.debian.org? :) | 03:22 |
| alterego | Hah | 03:22 |
| johnx | the bandwidth will kill me | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd say ITT has more momentum behinds its improvement | 03:22 |
| rene4jazz | I remember that I used a pentium 1 133Mhz with 32MB of ram AND Win98SE | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | but that could be just because I've been doing a lot of cheerleading for it recently. | 03:22 |
| johnx | jott, that actually seems like a good idea | 03:23 |
| johnx | post on wiki.debian.org and link to it on the forums | 03:23 |
| johnx | a thread is the opposite of helpful to anyone who shows up late | 03:23 |
| alterego | Yeah .. | 03:23 |
| johnx | I want to avoid answering the same question a thousand times if possible | 03:24 |
| jott | yeah .. that's why i don't like forums ;) | 03:24 |
| johnx | leaning towards wiki.debian | 03:24 |
| rene4jazz | Well, I have the cpu/memory tray app on OS 2007 HE and I think it shows memory used, cached and free, the first is green, the second in darker green and the las black | 03:24 |
| johnx | rene4jazz, what does "free" say though? | 03:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, why not all three? | 03:25 |
| rene4jazz | half of available memory | 03:25 |
| johnx | rene4jazz, well that kinda sucks | 03:25 |
| johnx | no wonder debian feels so snappy | 03:26 |
| rene4jazz | yea, it is | 03:26 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, I want a *definitive* location for this, where people will *update* it and not have it turn into 30 different "howtos" | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fine, fine. | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least stick a link to it on the other two. :P | 03:27 |
| johnx | of course! | 03:27 |
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| rene4jazz | I have looking for some details on that, and in the available docs (presentation) it seems to be a very good deal of decisions on maemo arch to reduce memory footprint. | 03:29 |
| johnx | rene4jazz, actually, you're on a 770, right? | 03:30 |
| rene4jazz | yea | 03:30 |
| johnx | so it's only using 32MB of RAM? | 03:30 |
| johnx | that's actually pretty good | 03:30 |
| rene4jazz | it has 64MB of ram (DDR) | 03:30 |
| rene4jazz | I think that is to much | 03:30 |
| johnx | I don't see where you'd save much memory though | 03:31 |
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| johnx | rene4jazz, though if you're not really attached to hildon/maemo you could look at the OpenEmbedded project | 03:33 |
| johnx | they have a kernel and possibly an xserver for the 770 | 03:34 |
| |tbb| | could anyone help me with dbus-send and setting presence | 03:36 |
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| bmidgley | johnx: how good is power management using debian on 770/n800? | 03:41 |
| johnx | bmidgley, unavailable as of right now | 03:42 |
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| johnx | screen is set to full brightness, CPU is probably running at 400MHz the whole time | 03:42 |
| johnx | hmm, actually CPU scaling seems to work | 03:42 |
| bmidgley | so you keep it plugged in :) | 03:42 |
| johnx | yeah | 03:42 |
| johnx | on batteries it lasts maybe an hour or two under debian | 03:43 |
| bmidgley | that sounds like my neo1973 | 03:43 |
| jott | you could use the dsmetest tool in the initfs chroot to change brightness without big effort | 03:43 |
| johnx | jott, good to know. I haven't even gotten that far yet :D | 03:43 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, any idea on why the itt wiki won't keeps logging me out? | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | iunno | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fix yer cookies? | 03:44 |
| johnx | the forum logs me in with cookies automagically | 03:44 |
| jott | eat the cookie and you will be forgotten! :) | 03:44 |
| johnx | I'll try on a different browser | 03:44 |
| johnx | mmm...cookies | 03:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles only has cake right now. | 03:45 | |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, good call. It works under opera | 03:48 |
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| pupnik | i hope someone figures out how to regrow brain cells before too long | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Amen to that. | 04:05 |
| |tbb| | yeah, got it | 04:05 |
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| |tbb| | this was cost 2 hours of sleep, but i hope i could sleep better now | 04:07 |
| |tbb| | night all | 04:07 |
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| johnx | 'night |tbb| | 04:09 |
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| alterego | I don't know whether it's the transflective display. but the N810 is a lot easier on the eyes in the dark when set to it's lowest setting. | 04:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Default software, alterego? | 04:14 |
| lcuk_2 | alter, its all fun and games until the 810 ambient sensor picks up an odd bit of light and decides your screen needs adjusting. | 04:15 |
| pupnik | argh, vmplayer plus this this scratchbox vm keeps nuking x11's host caps and shift keys | 04:15 |
| * lcuk_2 has a sticker over his to keep brightness as set | 04:15 | |
| pupnik | i mean ctrl and shift | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The brightness of the N800 is way off under OS2008. | 04:15 |
| alterego | lcuk_2, use yer thumb :P | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't get as dark as the N810 | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try this for your N800: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.5-1_armel.deb | 04:16 |
| alterego | Yeah, no light sensor. | 04:16 |
| lcuk_2 | no alter, i hold it with my right hand... | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | and your N810, too. | 04:16 |
| alterego | Oh my god, you're not one of _those_ are you lcuk_2 ? :) | 04:16 |
| lcuk_2 | .. | 04:16 |
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| alterego | Well, I've just finished setting up my two dedicated hosts. | 04:17 |
| * lcuk_2 has a "well done" red sticker with a smiley frog on it this week | 04:17 | |
| alterego | Now I need to setup several virtual environments for various server tasks .. Two DNS, DB, SVN, MX and VHosting .. | 04:18 |
| lcuk_2 | GeneralAntilles, thats rm's proggy aint it? | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah. | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | All packaged up and purty. | 04:18 |
| alterego | It's 2am and I'm knackered .. :( | 04:18 |
| lcuk_2 | oooh | 04:18 |
| lcuk_2 | ill try it then again now | 04:18 |
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| alterego | Right, I'm gonna go to bed and do some reading up on OpenVZ. G'night folks. | 04:22 |
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| lcuk_2 | nite alter :) thx | 04:22 |
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| petergunn | is there a vncserver available for maemo? (not X11vnc) | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | x11vnc? | 04:23 |
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| petergunn | I want to create a second larger display | 04:24 |
| petergunn | thats only visible via vncviewer | 04:24 |
| petergunn | I think X11vnc only works with real X displays | 04:25 |
| johnx | is there a VNC server for Linux that isn't backed by an XServer? | 04:26 |
| pupnik | what kind of programs would run on it | 04:26 |
| johnx | maybe you could get xvfb and export it with a vncserver | 04:26 |
| jott | vncserver can run a virtual xserver without multiplexing... | 04:26 |
| johnx | jott, did not know that. cool! | 04:27 |
| petergunn | yeah - i want to host a 1024x768 KDE desktop on my n800 | 04:27 |
| petergunn | would be easy if I could find a regular vncserver binary | 04:28 |
| petergunn | tried to compile in scratchbox but no luck | 04:28 |
| johnx | petergunn, with mud builder? | 04:28 |
| petergunn | never tried mud builder | 04:29 |
| * petergunn goes googling | 04:29 | |
| johnx | it's really, really nice for taking debian source packages and automatically handling the dependencies | 04:30 |
| * petergunn thinks he should have started with the debian source package :-) | 04:30 | |
| pupnik | i could not get friendly with mud-builder | 04:31 |
| johnx | pupnik, really? | 04:31 |
| johnx | it's kind of hit or miss but it's so easy it's always worth a shot | 04:31 |
| petergunn | no time - have to try again when I get a break | 04:32 |
| petergunn | ttfn | 04:32 |
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| pupnik | muhaha 800x480 mode working | 04:42 |
| jott | bg2 or what? :) | 04:43 |
| pupnik | ya | 04:43 |
| jott | nice | 04:43 |
| jott | and a right click solution?! ;) | 04:43 |
| pupnik | well i think it might be drawing 800x600 actually with portions offscreen | 04:44 |
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| pupnik | steady 19-26 fps in 640x480 | 04:52 |
| jott | wow.. even with heavy fights?! | 04:52 |
| pupnik | i haven't been able to pick up a weapon yet | 04:53 |
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| pupnik | ok just figured that out ;0 - one doesnt drag them but instead taps to pick up and taps to put down | 04:54 |
| jott | to the battlefield! | 04:55 |
| darx | hi guys, can i overclock my n800 beyond 400mhz? the flash performance (or the lack thereof) is annoying | 04:55 |
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| pupnik | lockpicking/traps seems broken | 04:57 |
| pupnik | the canonical sbemail runs nicely | 04:58 |
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| johnx | here's a writeup of what I needed to do to make Debian work: http://internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 05:42 |
| johnx | I still need to add a FAQ section | 05:44 |
| johnx | and if someone offers me hosting I'll put up a .tar.gz of my rootfs, obviating the need to follow 99% of the instructions | 05:45 |
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| pupnik | ice | 05:55 |
| pupnik | nice | 05:55 |
| johnx | still adding changes to it | 05:55 |
| johnx | Then I guess I'll link it on ITT and see how many people find a way to brick their tablets in the first hour | 05:56 |
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| proteous | johnx, how bit is the tar.gz | 06:01 |
| proteous | er, big | 06:01 |
| johnx | yeah | 06:01 |
| johnx | big | 06:01 |
| johnx | I don't have one yet | 06:02 |
| johnx | I could probably keep it under 500MB, but that's all I'm promising | 06:02 |
| proteous | heh | 06:02 |
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| johnx | there are definitely reasons Nokia knocked so much stuff off of traditional debian | 06:04 |
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| proteous | I installed debian on a 486 laptop with 7.5 megs or ram once | 06:05 |
| johnx | I believe it | 06:05 |
| proteous | dpkg took about 4 hours to run | 06:06 |
| johnx | and actually, debian on this is really rather snappy | 06:06 |
| johnx | when you get right down to it the IO and amount of RAM are just as important as CPU speed in terms of perceived reponsiveness | 06:06 |
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| proteous | yeah | 06:07 |
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| oil_ | johnx: your wiki misses one important issue | 06:14 |
| johnx | oil_, hmm? | 06:15 |
| oil_ | johnx: the section 0 - Why ;) | 06:15 |
| johnx | section 0? | 06:15 |
| johnx | ah | 06:15 |
| oil_ | section 0: Why do we want to run debian on N810 :) | 06:15 |
| johnx | I guess I should put that up | 06:16 |
| proteous | heh | 06:16 |
| oil_ | anyway. good reason can always be 'because we can' | 06:16 |
| johnx | you're right, otherwise I'll be explaining it on ITT and #maemo all day :) | 06:16 |
| proteous | so why did you install debian on your 810? | 06:16 |
| johnx | the reason is because we can take all of Debian's 10,000 packages | 06:17 |
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| johnx | and once the rest of the hildon stuff gets into debian proper we can run our ITOS stuff as well | 06:17 |
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| johnx | plus, I prefer debian over the IT200xOS layout. I like having man pages, not having to worry so much about watchdog and reboot loops, etc, etc | 06:19 |
| proteous | give me a terminal and a internet connection and I'm fine :P | 06:20 |
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| johnx | there, added a "Why?" section | 06:33 |
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| fysa | not to mention -- cron | 06:41 |
| fysa | real, glorious cron that runs my life | 06:41 |
| johnx | that would be a little disturbing actually | 06:42 |
| fysa | echo 6 * * * fysa /usr/local/bin/eat | 06:42 |
| fysa | >> .. | 06:42 |
| fysa | well. think of it this way. | 06:42 |
| fysa | now I can have my device work the way I want it to work, given the environment I'm in based on time of day. | 06:43 |
| johnx | yes | 06:43 |
| johnx | I agree with that | 06:43 |
| johnx | I just try not to let my computer swallow too much of my mind | 06:44 |
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| fysa | you know.. | 06:44 |
| fysa | if you carried it around the house with you, could you determine roughly what room you were in by packet timing? | 06:45 |
| fysa | can you 'fingerprint' a room like that? | 06:45 |
| johnx | it would work best with two (or more) sources | 06:45 |
| fysa | because then.. | 06:45 |
| fysa | screw cron for bedtime music/clock screensaver | 06:45 |
| fysa | if it knows that I'm in the bedroom (I do usually read in bed a bit before sleeping), it can launch/sync an RSS reader | 06:46 |
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| fysa | or media player with whatever the latest is via mediaserv | 06:46 |
| johnx | I think that would be mroe annoying than useful | 06:47 |
| fysa | in the office, switch to pidgin/email | 06:47 |
| fysa | I'm slightly demented, you see. | 06:47 |
| johnx | but if it detected me walking towards the door and did one last music sync before I left for the day, that would be awesome | 06:47 |
| fysa | I work from a home office. | 06:47 |
| fysa | right. just simple 'entering/exiting' would be nice. | 06:47 |
| fysa | trigger voice command | 06:48 |
| fysa | in HTPC | 06:48 |
| fysa | that asks if I want to hear my new voicemail/mail | 06:48 |
| johnx | easy enough to do with wpa_supplicant roaming | 06:48 |
| fysa | ;) | 06:48 |
| fysa | or missed IMs | 06:48 |
| johnx | to at least act different on different APs | 06:48 |
| fysa | true | 06:48 |
| fysa | wait. does KDE work? | 06:48 |
| fysa | KDE4? | 06:49 |
| johnx | I don't see why it wouldn't | 06:49 |
| johnx | with enough swap | 06:49 |
| fysa | what are you using build in? | 06:49 |
| fysa | debian-armel with qemu or something? | 06:49 |
| fysa | or cross? | 06:50 |
| johnx | debian-armel in qemu | 06:50 |
| johnx | though I haven't had to build anything since installing debian | 06:50 |
| johnx | it's all been right there | 06:50 |
| johnx | or I've repacked it from IT2008OS | 06:50 |
| fysa | are you looking for a place to host it temporarily? | 06:50 |
| oil_ | johnx: good work. you are starting a new life for tablets :) | 06:51 |
| johnx | oil_, thanks | 06:51 |
| johnx | wait until it bricks yours or sets it on fire :) | 06:51 |
| johnx | fysa, yeah, though actually for this large a file a bittorrent might be best | 06:51 |
| oil_ | hohoh, I'm old enought to wait for an while.. so that there is no more complaints of bricked devices ;) | 06:52 |
| fysa | If you upload it to my server, I'll seed it like crazy. | 06:52 |
| johnx | fysa, sounds like a deal. :D | 06:52 |
| fysa | 11 megabytes/sec | 06:52 |
| johnx | I'll seed from here too | 06:52 |
| johnx | I'll need to backup my current FS and then redo it so it's nice and clean and small | 06:53 |
| johnx | and doesn't have quite as many of my ugly hacks left all over the place | 06:53 |
| fysa | I lurk here 24/7, so just send me a message when you have it ready -- then make a .torrent of the same and stick it on thepiratebay or something. I can do this if you like. I'll then grab the .torrent off thepiratebay and seed with whatever you send to me. | 06:53 |
| johnx | fysa, awesome | 06:54 |
| johnx | thanks a lot! | 06:54 |
| johnx | oil_, it actually *shouldn't* brick anything. It just gets mounted by initfs and then pivot_root'ed | 06:54 |
| fysa | just happy to help. If I feel kinky, I might even stick it on a direct download for people in this channel for a day or two. | 06:54 |
| johnx | take out the SD card and it goes away | 06:54 |
| oil_ | johnx: actually I do need to work with the existing os. | 06:55 |
| fysa | we might have hildon soon.. | 06:55 |
| johnx | oil_, that's fine because the only way to set it up is dual boot | 06:55 |
| johnx | take out the SD card and it all goes away | 06:55 |
| fysa | perfect. | 06:56 |
| johnx | the worst situation I had was cleared by pulling the battery and rebooting | 06:56 |
| fysa | Can it be in either slot? | 06:56 |
| oil_ | johnx: ah, ok. then I might give it a try. but a bit later anyway. | 06:56 |
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| fysa | (N800) | 06:56 |
| johnx | sure, no rush :) | 06:56 |
| johnx | fysa, yeah. | 06:56 |
| johnx | any device supported by fanoush's initfs dualboot | 06:57 |
| fysa | and you get a mouse pointer? | 06:57 |
| johnx | yeah | 06:57 |
| johnx | whether you want it or not :P | 06:57 |
| fysa | this really sounds perfect for a bt mouse/keyboard mode. | 06:57 |
| fysa | I can handle smaller widgets (more real estate) with a mouse. ;) | 06:57 |
| fysa | anyone make a bluetooth ring mouse? | 06:58 |
| johnx | heh...DIY project with a wiimote :D | 06:59 |
| johnx | that would be awesome | 06:59 |
| fysa | I tried.. | 06:59 |
| fysa | but the drivers weren't ready. | 06:59 |
| fysa | well. | 06:59 |
| johnx | they're better now I think | 06:59 |
| fysa | I mean -- the pywii package for maemo. | 06:59 |
| fysa | but with debian, that's different. | 06:59 |
| johnx | ah | 06:59 |
| fysa | I use a wiimote to control the HTPC right now | 07:00 |
| fysa | in Linux.. | 07:00 |
| fysa | works reasonably well. | 07:00 |
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| johnx | very cool | 07:00 |
| fysa | which kernel are you using? | 07:01 |
| johnx | the stock Nokia one | 07:01 |
| johnx | anything should work | 07:01 |
| johnx | all the hard work is done before debian gets started | 07:01 |
| fysa | is there any reasonable way or reason to get around that right now? | 07:01 |
| johnx | the Nokia kernel? | 07:02 |
| fysa | i.e. proprietary necessities? | 07:02 |
| johnx | aaah | 07:02 |
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| johnx | we're probably locked into Nokia's stuff until someone smarter than me hacks around it | 07:02 |
| fysa | http://www.gizmowatch.com/entry/ring-mouse/ | 07:03 |
| fysa | This. | 07:03 |
| fysa | This is what I need. | 07:03 |
| fysa | Not a touchscreen or stylist. | 07:03 |
| johnx | that's pretty neat | 07:03 |
| fysa | fucking brilliant. | 07:03 |
| fysa | they use five microphones to pick up the noise of movement in a specific direction. | 07:04 |
| fysa | well, the volume. | 07:04 |
| fysa | kinetic scrolling ;) | 07:05 |
| johnx | I have to admit that is a pretty original idea | 07:05 |
| fysa | incredibly simple. | 07:05 |
| johnx | Maybe I'll hold off on starting a thread on ITT until I have a tarball for them... | 07:07 |
| fysa | think you will have it before the weekend? | 07:08 |
| fysa | (no rush) I'll make sure to keep an eye out. | 07:08 |
| johnx | I should have it in a couples hours | 07:08 |
| fysa | Do you have a local FTP/HTTP server available, or do you need me to put one together for the transfer? | 07:09 |
| johnx | I can put it up on my personal webpage, | 07:10 |
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| johnx | I only have 5GB a month on that site, but it's fine for a one off thing | 07:10 |
| fysa | well, if you're using your upstream anyway, may as well send it here | 07:11 |
| fysa | no problem -- one sec | 07:11 |
| johnx | sure | 07:11 |
| johnx | alright, I'll backup my current debian setup and roll a fresh install | 07:14 |
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| niiterv | hi | 07:16 |
| johnx | hello | 07:16 |
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| niiterv | Anyone know how long is the n800 tablet going to have patches and OS upgrades? I've wanted to get one but heard that the n770s support was stopped after 1.5 years so was worryed what's going to happen with the n800. | 07:18 |
| johnx | The N800/N810 should be supported until at least the next software release "Diablo" | 07:20 |
| johnx | rather they will have a supported version of the next major release | 07:20 |
| johnx | Nokia says they'll provide details for the major release after next closer to when it happens | 07:21 |
| niiterv | So roughly how long do you think there will be support? After that I hope a hackers version will come out. | 07:22 |
| Tama^2 | When is 'diablo' coming out? | 07:22 |
| johnx | I have no idea about anything else | 07:23 |
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| Tama^2 | .and how official is this info? :) | 07:23 |
| johnx | here's where I found that info: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1184675758.html | 07:23 |
| Tama^2 | thnks | 07:23 |
| proteous | the n800 is a lot more similar to the n810 then the 770 is to the n800 | 07:23 |
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| proteous | so keeping the n800 up to date with the n810 is pretty easy | 07:23 |
| czr | yes. there's only a difference of 10, compared to 30. | 07:24 |
| proteous | lol | 07:24 |
| penguinba | 810 is way better though | 07:24 |
| niiterv | johnx I just wouldn't want to buy the n800 and get only another 1 or so of support ;P | 07:24 |
| johnx | niiterv, I know the feeling | 07:24 |
| niiterv | 1 year* | 07:24 |
| czr | I'd imagine the N800 will be supported for as long as N810 | 07:24 |
| niiterv | ok | 07:24 |
| niiterv | thats hope =) | 07:25 |
| Tama^2 | they are basically the same machine | 07:25 |
| johnx | that's also why I'm working on Debian for the N800 :D | 07:25 |
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| czr | however, when the next major release is out, they _might_ drop N800. although I don't see any good reasons of doing so, but I'm not a Nokii. | 07:25 |
| pb-away | i am writing from n810 in kde right now | 07:26 |
| niiterv | and the n810 just came out so I guess 1.5-2 years of support | 07:26 |
| pb-away | its nice ;) | 07:26 |
| niiterv | I'm thinking about getting the n800 since there is a $170 difference. | 07:27 |
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| johnx | niiterv, yeah, the N800 is an incredible deal right now | 07:28 |
| niiterv | I hear that there is a hackers version OS for the n770 so I guess that in 2 years or so when the support ends there should be a hackers version for the n800 | 07:29 |
| oil_ | what are the prices currently for N800 and N810 ? | 07:29 |
| niiterv | oil_ n800 =$228 n810$400+ | 07:29 |
| johnx | something like $200-$250 for the N800, and $380-$480 | 07:29 |
| oil_ | niiterv: thanks. | 07:29 |
| johnx | for the N810 | 07:29 |
| johnx | hopefully by the time the N8x0 stuff is End-of-Lifed by Nokia the community will be in a good situation to continue support | 07:30 |
| oil_ | I personally started to _use_ tablet when I got n810.. the keyboard does the trick for me. | 07:30 |
| niiterv | johnx: Where'd you see an n800 for $200? Lowest I've seen is on amazon for $228 | 07:30 |
| johnx | hmm...it was $200 for a while on buy.com I think | 07:31 |
| johnx | but that was a while ago | 07:31 |
| niiterv | Lemmo look | 07:31 |
| oil_ | for me it was great to use for example irc and gtalk chat while on the airport.. the damn 2 hours of waiting goes much faster now. | 07:31 |
| johnx | I bought mine in April so I haven't been keeping track much | 07:31 |
| johnx | yeah, one day I'll get an N810 | 07:32 |
| niiterv | johnx n800 @ buy.com is $228 | 07:32 |
| johnx | ah, so the price is back up | 07:32 |
| niiterv | So you think it's still worth getting the n800 in the condition it's in? | 07:33 |
| johnx | It all depends on how much you care about the keyboard | 07:33 |
| Tama^2 | I got my n800 3 weeks ago | 07:33 |
| niiterv | Tama^2 like it? | 07:33 |
| Tama^2 | (I use a BT keyboard with it) | 07:33 |
| proteous | I use ssh a lot so my upgrade from my 770 is going to be a n810 | 07:34 |
| oil_ | once I went to see the bt keyboards, but those things were damn expensive.. but naturally if you already have one. then it's a good deal. | 07:34 |
| Tama^2 | yes, I think > storage space and lower price is preferable to keyboard and transriflective screen for me | 07:34 |
| proteous | ssh + screen + mutt + irssi FTW | 07:35 |
| johnx | proteous, I have a zaurus for that anyways :P | 07:35 |
| proteous | :P | 07:35 |
| niiterv | Is it possible to still type with the virtual keyboard on n800 with the pen? I mean I'd like to chat on the n800 without the need for a bt keyboard. | 07:35 |
| proteous | the screen on that is not as nice | 07:36 |
| johnx | niiterv, thumb typing on the screen is not that bad | 07:36 |
| proteous | yeah, you can, it's just a bit slow | 07:36 |
| oil_ | also using maemo-mapper with n810 was suprising good thing. it was able to get me back home in this big city I do not really know very well. | 07:36 |
| johnx | chatting is possible if you get good at it | 07:36 |
| niiterv | ok | 07:36 |
| proteous | I've gotten pretty fast with the stylus but it's still sorta annoying | 07:36 |
| johnx | the one thing the onscreen keyboard will not be fun for is the terminal | 07:36 |
| proteous | I wish it was more like the iphone keyboard, doesn't obscure the whole screen | 07:37 |
| niiterv | I totally *love* the n810 but dont have the money for it so I hope the n800 will work. | 07:37 |
| johnx | niiterv, it's a great device and tons and tons of cheap storage is definitely an advantage | 07:38 |
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| niiterv | Okey what about the battery life for the n800? I mean how long will it last under irc chat etc. | 07:39 |
| johnx | hmm | 07:40 |
| niiterv | I hear 3-6 hours | 07:40 |
| johnx | that seems reasonable | 07:40 |
| Tester_ | niiterv: irc chat on the n800 is kinda painful (with the on-screen keyboard).. with a bt keyboard is quite doable.... I'd say 4-5h of battery life | 07:40 |
| johnx | also, I didn't really realize you meant IRC...I thought you were talking about maybe IM with one person | 07:40 |
| johnx | IRC moves too fast | 07:40 |
| johnx | you'd have your full screen keyboard up desperately pecking out letters while messages scroll past without you seeing them | 07:41 |
| niiterv | I mean if I can't do irc and stuff I dont see the point of getting one. | 07:41 |
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| Tester_ | johnx: with one of those nice foldable bluetooth keyboards, it should be doable | 07:42 |
| Tama^2 | I get 5/6 hours of irc out of my n800 | 07:42 |
| Tama^2 | honestly even the slide-out keyboard would be very limiting for irc-style chat | 07:43 |
| Tama^2 | (IMO of course) | 07:43 |
| Tester_ | Tama^2: actually it works quite well | 07:43 |
| niiterv | I just loved the idea of curling up with the n800 and chat on irc.. but don't like the idea of needing another keyboard | 07:43 |
| Tester_ | on the n810 | 07:43 |
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| johnx | niiterv, the zaurus C1000 keyboard would work just fine | 07:45 |
| johnx | I've even chatted on my old Zaurus 5500 | 07:45 |
| niiterv | Can an n800 be used as a mp3 player? I mean like could I stick it into my back pocket and listen? | 07:46 |
| johnx | niiterv, definitely | 07:46 |
| niiterv | ok | 07:46 |
| johnx | 2 SD card slots as well | 07:46 |
| johnx | it plays movies fine if you transcode them | 07:46 |
| niiterv | Thats some of the reasons why I want to get one over a ipod video | 07:46 |
| johnx | not the best group of people to ask for an objective opinion on that | 07:47 |
| niiterv | heh | 07:48 |
| johnx | niiterv, if you have a chance to see one in a brick-and-mortar store and get your hands around it I think you'll quickly get a feel for what's possible in terms of typing | 07:48 |
| niiterv | Thanks for the help. Gotta hit the bunker. Might be back sometime =) | 07:50 |
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| johnx | alright | 07:50 |
| johnx | 'later | 07:50 |
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| splitbit | podsync was updated today, but is missing libhildonwidgets.so.0 when started. Known issue ? | 08:37 |
| splitbit | dang, nm. Looks like I downloaded the os2007 version. | 08:40 |
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| pupnik | hi luria | 08:43 |
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| hachi | is the sketch program open source on maemo? | 08:49 |
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| Luria | hey pupnik | 08:55 |
| Luria | sorry, busy enjoying my eee | 08:55 |
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| sitaram | hello; (apologies; I realise this is the wrong channel but I can't find any other channels that seem to be relevant): is there *anything* like pidgin for Series 40 phones? | 09:07 |
| sitaram | just gtalk will do too | 09:08 |
| splitbit | sitaram: There's a MIDP 2.0 client called MGTalk .. | 09:08 |
| splitbit | I don't know if it will work with S40 devices though. | 09:08 |
| sitaram | but it's a start -- I will check, thank you !!! | 09:09 |
| splitbit | Be careful - the main page for the app is not NSFW. | 09:09 |
| splitbit | Rather it IS NSFW. | 09:09 |
| splitbit | The domain seems to have been hijacked. | 09:09 |
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| splitbit | This page is your best bet : http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=165489 | 09:11 |
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| sitaram | wow -- I was just going to allow FF to redirect when I saw this and desisted! Thanks again | 09:14 |
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| sitaram | but you're right, from the description on getjar it doesn't seem like it'll work on a 3110. I will test it over lunch and report back right here, unless I'm booted out for being "off topic" :-) | 09:15 |
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| proteous | why am I transfering a large file slowly from my server over it's DSL connection to my main computer over it's cable connection when the server is sitting in my closet... | 09:31 |
| proteous | flash drive FTW | 09:31 |
| proteous | sneakernet | 09:31 |
| proteous | or in this case, socknet | 09:31 |
| glass | o O why they're not networked directly | 09:32 |
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| proteous | because I don't want the server on my network | 09:33 |
| sitaram | splitbit: I'm getting a series of network connection errors but the app loaded and ran fine, so I'll look at this later... thanks again for all the help on something off-topic! | 09:33 |
| proteous | for security reasons | 09:33 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://www.pocketables.net/2008/01/nokia-n800-os20.html | 09:41 |
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| zuh | I wonder why anyone would have thought that microb *would* be faster than opera..?-) | 09:45 |
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| hugolp | zuh: its not faster, nobody said it was faster | 10:00 |
| hugolp | (and if they did they lie) | 10:00 |
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| zuh | The above pocketables article seems to start with that assumption... | 10:04 |
| hugolp | zuh: well, its true that its sllower but IMO its better. I mean, for the pages I visit the OS2008 browser renders better than the old Opera browser | 10:09 |
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| liri | opera/mozilla (on n800/n810) both support ajax/javascript? | 10:19 |
| kulve | to some point, yes | 10:20 |
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| wwp | hi there | 10:34 |
| sidusnare | hi | 10:34 |
| pupnik | more developers | 10:35 |
| wwp | I tried table-encode to convert my movies for reading them on my n810.. conversion works fine and playing is great! I'm wondering how I could add some volume gain, this sounds not possible w/ -m "-lavopts ...", it's more a mencoder topic, but I wonder if anybody has experience here about that? | 10:36 |
| pupnik | i just browsed through 'pocketpc' magazine at the gas station | 10:36 |
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| michele | good mornin' | 10:36 |
| pupnik | made me absolutely sick to see how many devices run windows mobile | 10:36 |
| pupnik | hi michele | 10:36 |
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| pupnik | one of the best beatles songs uses your nick | 10:37 |
| michele | that's michelle, and she's a girl ;) | 10:37 |
| liri | heh | 10:37 |
| liri | tiny differences make all the difference in the world :) | 10:37 |
| pupnik | i only knew michel and michael as male versions | 10:38 |
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| pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=michele | 10:39 |
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| wwp | hi michele | 10:39 |
| pupnik | interesting | 10:39 |
| sidusnare | I have a 770 and im thinking about getting an 810, but with the divits in my 770's metal shield im concerned about the always exposed screen | 10:40 |
| michele | pupnik: in italian it's a male name | 10:40 |
| michele | pupnik: but don't worry, you are not the first to make this mistake. and won't be the last. | 10:40 |
| wwp | am I wrong or michele can be male in .it? | 10:40 |
| wwp | anyway.. | 10:40 |
| wwp | welcome to michelle! | 10:41 |
| michele | michele *is* male in it, and I am in .it :) | 10:41 |
| wwp | (from the song) | 10:41 |
| wwp | right | 10:41 |
| pupnik | sidusnare: valid concern | 10:42 |
| sidusnare | any solutions? is there a decent case? or a bolt / stick on face flap? | 10:42 |
| pupnik | sidusnare: my 770 has been dropped from bycicles, running and falling on stone cobbles etc | 10:42 |
| pupnik | the n810 will not be the same | 10:42 |
| pupnik | i put the n810 in bubble wrap in a soft case now | 10:43 |
| cizarro | michele, you live in a TLD? | 10:43 |
| * cizarro hides & runs | 10:43 | |
| pupnik | michele i apologize for my ignorance of italian names | 10:44 |
| sidusnare | its just wrong that an uninhabited 4000 square mile island has its own tld :-p and 120 registrants in it ! .gs | 10:44 |
| sidusnare | anyway, back on topic, any good cases? or other protectors? | 10:45 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Gemrb_Screen1_1280.jpg look at the beauty... | 10:45 |
| wwp | better running THEN hidding | 10:46 |
| hugolp | pupnik: stop showing that | 10:46 |
| wwp | there's also miguel in spanish | 10:46 |
| Mousey | oh holy shit | 10:46 |
| hugolp | pupnik: it makes me want it more | 10:46 |
| pupnik | i can tar it up hugolp | 10:46 |
| pupnik | if you want to help with gemrb | 10:46 |
| Blafasel | Talking about nice TLDs: I still love .sh and got ben.sh right away ;) | 10:47 |
| pupnik | bugreports, etc - anything you can do | 10:47 |
| hugolp | pupnik: would love to but I cant at the moment | 10:47 |
| pupnik | ok | 10:47 |
| hugolp | pupnik: I can help with bug reports sure | 10:47 |
| pupnik | but good bug reports require investment also | 10:47 |
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| pupnik | i can't even submit any yet | 10:47 |
| pupnik | i have to build it on pc first, and that breaks on my system | 10:48 |
| pupnik | funny the nokia is more 'compatible' with it than my regular linux distro | 10:48 |
| hugolp | XD | 10:48 |
| michele | no worries pupnik | 10:48 |
| hugolp | I havent even played, but it looks like RPG? | 10:48 |
| michele | sometimes it helps having people think I'm a girl ;) | 10:49 |
| pupnik | yes based on the first rpg in the world - dnd | 10:49 |
| pupnik | it is not ready for users ... needs helpers | 10:49 |
| hugolp | michele: specially in a geek enviroment | 10:49 |
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| Blafasel | pupnik: Nice stuff | 10:50 |
| pupnik | the guys who are working on it have been going for like 5 year | 10:52 |
| Luria | grrr... why is it so hard to find a stick of ram | 10:52 |
| pupnik | they are 8heroes8 | 10:52 |
| Luria | ah - bingo! | 10:54 |
| Blafasel | pupnik: Project site somewhere? | 10:54 |
| Luria | crap, out of stock | 10:54 |
| Luria | ...and newegg seems to be the only ones who carry it | 10:56 |
| Luria | </bitch> sorry | 10:57 |
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| johnx | what kind of weird RAM are you looking for? | 10:58 |
| pupnik | none | 10:59 |
| proteous | super volitile ram | 10:59 |
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| proteous | it actual explodes when you apply power | 10:59 |
| pupnik | Blafasel: only if you want to help with the project | 10:59 |
| Jaffa | 77/last jaffa | 10:59 |
| Jaffa | xx | 10:59 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:59 |
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| sarower | hello | 11:06 |
| sarower | How can i install Libraries in N810 online? | 11:07 |
| sarower | any body there? | 11:07 |
| pupnik | yes | 11:08 |
| sarower | can help? | 11:08 |
| pupnik | when you install an application it should install the required libraries | 11:08 |
| sarower | but i need to instll my own application | 11:09 |
| Luria | ram for my eee | 11:09 |
| Luria | 200 pin ddr2 | 11:09 |
| sarower | that has some dependency! | 11:09 |
| sarower | pupnik. | 11:09 |
| pupnik | sarower: then use gornmeyer.com/it | 11:09 |
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| pupnik | search for library | 11:09 |
| pupnik | install repository | 11:09 |
| pupnik | then apt-get install library | 11:09 |
| Luria | not odd, but finding a 2gb 4-4-4-12 is a pain | 11:10 |
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| sarower | how can i install the Xterm? | 11:10 |
| sarower | pupnik? | 11:10 |
| Luria | oops, i answered you johnx, didnt realize you left... heh | 11:10 |
| Veggen | pupnik: xterm is already installed. | 11:10 |
| Veggen | eh, sarower. | 11:10 |
| sarower | yah | 11:10 |
| sarower | is xterm is already installed in n810? | 11:11 |
| sarower | veggen? | 11:11 |
| Luria | yes | 11:11 |
| pupnik | luria, i don't think eee is relevant to this channel | 11:11 |
| Veggen | yes. | 11:11 |
| johnx | ah, sorry, I had weird mouse IRQ issues | 11:11 |
| sarower | oh where it is? | 11:11 |
| sarower | veggen? | 11:11 |
| johnx | it feels so retro to say that. so very 1998 | 11:11 |
| Luria | pupnik, not directly, no | 11:11 |
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| pupnik | shall i regale you with my thinkpad tribulations/ | 11:12 |
| johnx | and actually I'm afk again | 11:12 |
| * johnx lurks | 11:12 | |
| Luria | <retro>johnx, are you trying to use com1 and com3?</retro> | 11:12 |
| pupnik | how about my comtrol rocketport stories | 11:13 |
| Luria | sure | 11:13 |
| Luria | id like to hear about thinkpad tribulations | 11:13 |
| pupnik | the a30 is not reliable | 11:13 |
| Luria | how so? | 11:14 |
| Veggen | btw, anyone seen usbserial module for the n810? | 11:14 |
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| Veggen | eh, for os2008. | 11:14 |
| pupnik | too high instance of graphics problems | 11:14 |
| Veggen | ....does it exist? | 11:14 |
| Veggen | (or do I need to compile?) | 11:14 |
| Luria | thinkpads are my second favorite line of laptops | 11:14 |
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| Veggen | I'm considering testing the n810 as serial console-appliance, one of these days ;) | 11:15 |
| pupnik | bbl | 11:15 |
| Luria | that would be a nice server rescue thing | 11:16 |
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| michele | Luria: http://crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=Eee%20PC%20701 | 11:21 |
| sarower | veggen: do you know how do i install library in N810.. | 11:21 |
| Veggen | dpkg -i | 11:21 |
| sarower | suppose livhildon..! | 11:21 |
| sarower | from internet? | 11:21 |
| Veggen | eh. please tell me what you want? | 11:21 |
| Veggen | Do you have a precompiled package? does it exist in a repository? | 11:22 |
| sarower | i have a device N810 | 11:22 |
| sarower | Now i need to install the libhildonmm | 11:22 |
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| Luria | michele, i was looking for cl4 ;-) | 11:22 |
| sarower | and other dependencies..! | 11:22 |
| sarower | how can i install that | 11:23 |
| sarower | my application is not in a repository | 11:23 |
| sarower | veggen? | 11:23 |
| Veggen | but is the libhildonmm? | 11:23 |
| Luria | but thank you | 11:23 |
| sarower | yah | 11:23 |
| michele | Luria: (I don't even know what CL4 means) | 11:23 |
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| Veggen | sarower: either with apt-get install from the xterm (you need to be root), or by enabling red pill mode in the application installer. | 11:24 |
| Veggen | I guess. | 11:24 |
| sarower | but red pill mode does not work! | 11:24 |
| sarower | how i be a root? | 11:25 |
| Veggen | how doesn't it work? | 11:25 |
| sarower | it does not get the libraries list! | 11:25 |
| sarower | i did it | 11:25 |
| Veggen | sarower: it does list *all packages* that it knows about in the repositories you have configured. | 11:26 |
| sarower | how the repositories can be configured? | 11:26 |
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| Veggen | ok. This might sound rude, but is not meant: The first thing you need to do, is to learn to use google, maemo wiki, etc. | 11:27 |
| * michele thinks people here are very very kind and patient | 11:27 | |
| Veggen | Or else you're gonna drive the people in this channel mad. Including me ;) | 11:27 |
| Veggen | there's no shortcut to actually learning the basics. | 11:28 |
| * desrt observes the flemish content of the channel increase slightly | 11:28 | |
| sarower | is it to add the web in sources.list? | 11:28 |
| Luria | michele, its ram timing | 11:29 |
| Veggen | yes. | 11:29 |
| sarower | ok man | 11:29 |
| sarower | i know these! | 11:29 |
| sarower | dont be crazy! | 11:29 |
| sarower | please! | 11:29 |
| * desrt observes the sanity content of the channel decrease slightly | 11:30 | |
| desrt | coincidence? i think not. | 11:30 |
| Veggen | sarower: What you're trying to do is *not* exactly beginner-stuff, and if you expect us to explain that from a beginner-level knowledge, you are simply asking to much of unpaid support. | 11:31 |
| pupnik | that is good advice | 11:32 |
| pupnik | but one can still guide people | 11:32 |
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| Veggen | so you need to realize that you have to do a lot of research on the basics of the device on your own, and rather come back and ask clarifications if there's something that's not explained well. | 11:32 |
| Veggen | pupnik: of course. | 11:32 |
| pupnik | like you are doing right now | 11:32 |
| pupnik | sarowar - dependencies are programs that your program needs to run | 11:33 |
| sarower | ok man | 11:33 |
| sarower | thanx... | 11:33 |
| pupnik | if the dependencies are compiled, you can find them on the gronmeyer index | 11:33 |
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| pvanhoof | hi desrt :) | 11:33 |
| pupnik | if they are not compiled, you need to compile them | 11:34 |
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| desrt | pvanhoof; yo :p | 11:35 |
| desrt | barisione; hi to you too | 11:35 |
| desrt | to everyone else; goodbye. | 11:35 |
| barisione | desrt: hi :) | 11:36 |
| pvanhoof | desrt, in stead of making fun of poor flemish guys behind their back, is your code finished? We're all waiting unpatiently on that great configuration api that you've been promising us since guadec! | 11:36 |
| pvanhoof | :) | 11:36 |
| pvanhoof | s/on/for | 11:37 |
| desrt | eh | 11:37 |
| desrt | i just bought an eee | 11:37 |
| desrt | and i'm wasting a lot of time playing with it | 11:37 |
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| pvanhoof | desrt, it probably needs configuration too | 11:39 |
| desrt | it definitely does | 11:39 |
| pvanhoof | :) | 11:39 |
| desrt | it has some bullcrap distribution on it by default | 11:39 |
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| desrt | but i added debian etch repositories to it and have been happily upgrading :) | 11:39 |
| desrt | hi murray :) | 11:39 |
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| michele | pvanhoof: any hints on how to get some info on why modest is crashing as soon as I accept my company's certificate (I'd like to provide a sensible report) | 11:40 |
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| michele | the default mail client works with it | 11:40 |
| pvanhoof | michele, ulimit -c unlimited ; run-standalone modest showui ; and send us the core file | 11:40 |
| pvanhoof | or install gdb and try to get a backtrace out of it | 11:41 |
| michele | pvanhoof: ok | 11:41 |
| desrt | michele; with only 128MB of memory, the n800 is incapable of fitting all of the design patterns contained in tinymail.... so it runs out of memory and crashes :( | 11:41 |
| pvanhoof | or just ping djcb if he's online | 11:41 |
| pvanhoof | desrt, :) | 11:41 |
| michele | eheh | 11:41 |
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| zaheerm | desrt, :) | 11:41 |
| pvanhoof | fu etc etc :) | 11:41 |
| * desrt evil grin | 11:44 | |
| michele | I actually quite ejoyed philip's explanations of the design | 11:44 |
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| pvanhoof | michele, to find the core file: find . -name core | 11:44 |
| pvanhoof | in your $HOME, sometimes the process chdirs to $HOME/.modest/ | 11:44 |
| * desrt notes the high probability that the core will contain sensitive information | 11:44 | |
| pvanhoof | right.. | 11:44 |
| michele | "sometimes" ... | 11:44 |
| pvanhoof | well, not at the moment of his certificate question | 11:44 |
| pvanhoof | his password will still be in gconf I think | 11:44 |
| pvanhoof | yes, modest stores passwords there :( | 11:44 |
| desrt | seems about right | 11:44 |
| desrt | where else might it put them? | 11:44 |
| michele | I'll send the core to djcb, and this account is going to die in about a month | 11:44 |
| pvanhoof | well, it should really use a password store that keeps the password out of swap files (but indeed, the maemo devices don't have swap) | 11:44 |
| pvanhoof | doesn't maemo have something like gnome-keyring? | 11:45 |
| desrt | pvanhoof; do you have an opinion about ext3 on flash? | 11:45 |
| desrt | and by "flash" i mean SD cards | 11:46 |
| pvanhoof | well, umfs is better | 11:46 |
| desrt | United Methodist Family Services | 11:46 |
| pvanhoof | and journaling on flash? just use ext3, no? | 11:46 |
| desrt | nice! | 11:46 |
| proteous | fat32 FTW | 11:46 |
| desrt | well... that's my point | 11:46 |
| desrt | does the journal cause an appreciable increase in wear? | 11:46 |
| michele | uhm | 11:47 |
| michele | no core to be found | 11:47 |
| proteous | I just write onto my flash sequencialy and keep the address table written on a napkin in my back pocket | 11:47 |
| michele | I did set ulimit | 11:47 |
| pvanhoof | desrt, http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/ | 11:47 |
| pvanhoof | I meant UBIFS | 11:47 |
| desrt | oh. right. | 11:47 |
| pvanhoof | http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html | 11:48 |
| desrt | so i'm installing ubuntu :) | 11:48 |
| pvanhoof | michele, strange .. well, you could try installing gdb. You know how to do this michele ? | 11:48 |
| pvanhoof | You basically need to add a repository to your sources.list file, and fakeroot apt-get install gdb | 11:48 |
| pvanhoof | You might want unstripped binaries of modest and tinymail too | 11:48 |
| michele | pvanhoof: yes | 11:49 |
| pvanhoof | I'm not sure how the current packages store the shared object files | 11:49 |
| pvanhoof | then, important is to run whatever you find in run-standalone in your shell | 11:49 |
| pvanhoof | I think it sources a file and unsets a env. variable | 11:49 |
| pvanhoof | and then gdb modest, set args showui and run | 11:49 |
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| michele | thank you | 11:50 |
| michele | anyway, this is a bit more work than a core dump, and I'm supposed to be working :) | 11:50 |
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| desrt | hmm | 11:52 |
| desrt | supposedly ext3 will wear my SD cards out a lot faster | 11:52 |
| desrt | like they might only last for 50 years instead of 100 | 11:52 |
| Cptn-N800 | Oh noes | 11:52 |
| Cptn-N800 | Crisis | 11:52 |
| Cptn-N800 | :P | 11:52 |
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| pvanhoof | michele, same here :) | 11:54 |
| pvanhoof | so I'm now going to start serving that customer :) | 11:54 |
| pvanhoof | heh | 11:54 |
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| liri | to work with hildon on my desktop do I need just python-hildon package or is there anything else? | 12:22 |
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| Spakman | is there an API for altering the default application for a certain mime type? I realise I can just edit the /etc/gnome/defaults.list directly (as root). | 12:30 |
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| liri | attempting to run the hello world code in this article http://www.teemuharju.net/2006/01/26/coding-for-nokia-770-using-python-part-1/ on my desktop results in the script being ran but nothing happens | 12:38 |
| kala | when the N770 (running ITOS 2007 HE) displays boot manager and displays Nokia logo, but reboots after that, how can I find out whats wrong? I started from different partition and did e2fsck on the filesystem, which fixed lots of errors, but the N770 still doesn't boot up. Is therea hardware console possibility or something? | 12:38 |
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| zuh | There is a serial console, but it requires building a cable for the pins and so on. Another possibility would be installing bootmenu and including telnet or sshd on the initfs but that would basically need a working device... | 13:01 |
| zuh | You could of course create an initfs on some other machine, copy it from there and flash it but... | 13:02 |
| kala | zuh: well, I can boot from other partition | 13:03 |
| kala | and from internal flash | 13:04 |
| zuh | Ah, ok. | 13:04 |
| sarower | problem when creating deb for N810 | 13:04 |
| sarower | any body? | 13:05 |
| sarower | dh_testdir | 13:05 |
| sarower | # Add here commands to configure the package. | 13:05 |
| sarower | ./configure --host=arm-linux-gnueabi --build=arm-linux-gnueabi --prefix=/usr --mandir=\${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\${prefix}/share/info CFLAGS="-Wall -g -O2" LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,defs" | 13:05 |
| sarower | checking for a BSD-compatible install... /scratchbox/tools/bin/install -c | 13:05 |
| sarower | checking whether build environment is sane... yes | 13:05 |
| sarower | checking for gawk... gawk | 13:05 |
| sarower | checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes | 13:05 |
| sarower | checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no | 13:05 |
| sarower | checking for arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc... arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc | 13:05 |
| sarower | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables | 13:05 |
| sarower | See `config.log' for more details. | 13:05 |
| sarower | make: *** [config.status] Error 77 | 13:05 |
| sarower | when giving the command: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 13:05 |
| zuh | kala: I've done some debugging by simply editing the linuxrc to echo stuff on the initfs, but that's a bit dangerous :) | 13:06 |
| zuh | (echo to a file I mean) | 13:06 |
| kala | zuh: hmm ... | 13:06 |
| kala | its not possible to view the booting text? | 13:06 |
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| kala | ok, there was, you sayd it | 13:07 |
| kala | but this cable for serial console is different from usb cable? | 13:07 |
| unique311 | so happy. | 13:08 |
| zuh | kala: Yeah, it's basically a normal serial cable, but the problem is that the connector is just a flat set of contacts inside the machine... | 13:08 |
| unique311 | finally hildon an app. | 13:09 |
| unique311 | now to pack it up. | 13:09 |
| kala | zuh: ok. | 13:09 |
| zuh | I'm not sure if anyone has actually done such cable though, just heard plans of such | 13:09 |
| sarower | any body there?? | 13:10 |
| sarower | to solve the prob? | 13:10 |
| sarower | problem when creating deb for N810 | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> any body? | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> dh_testdir | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> # Add here commands to configure the package. | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> ./configure --host=arm-linux-gnueabi --build=arm-linux-gnueabi --prefix=/usr --mandir=\${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\${prefix}/share/info CFLAGS="-Wall -g -O2" LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,defs" | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> checking for a BSD-compatible install... /scratchbox/tools/bin/install -c | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> checking whether build environment is sane... yes | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> checking for gawk... gawk | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> checking for arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc... arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables | 13:10 |
| kala | sarower: see config.log for more details | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> See `config.log' for more details. | 13:10 |
| sarower | <sarower> make: *** [config.status] Error 77 | 13:11 |
| michele | sarower: | 13:11 |
| michele | stop | 13:11 |
| sarower | I know but it is not clear to me...... | 13:11 |
| michele | sarower: as was said before, this is not begnnier stuff | 13:11 |
| michele | sarower: if you don't know what you are doing, you should read manuals and documentation | 13:11 |
| sarower | but this thing is not beginner issue..! | 13:12 |
| sarower | right? | 13:12 |
| michele | exaclty | 13:12 |
| michele | and you are a beginner | 13:12 |
| liri | any idea about running that hello world code from the article? | 13:12 |
| sarower | ofcourse..! | 13:12 |
| liri | when I run a python/gtk/hildon app on my desktop I see no gui window. what could I be missing? | 13:13 |
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| Veggen | ah: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=552&release_id=1367 | 13:15 |
| Veggen | (usbserial for os2008) | 13:15 |
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| Veggen | sarower: it's not that beginners doesn't deserve help, but you have too high expectations for what you can get done as a beginner. You need to get the feel of installing/using the device first. And did you compile programs for Linux desktop/server before? etc. | 13:18 |
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| script | that sandisk micro sd -> mini sd adaptors suck hard .. | 13:37 |
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| script | just read the itt thread and got it working *sigh* | 13:38 |
| michele | haven't had problems with mine | 13:38 |
| script | i never thought that stupid passive component would be the critical one | 13:38 |
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| Spakman | alterego: you're probably aware of this, but you repos is down | 14:03 |
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| maddler | morning all | 14:11 |
| johnx | mornin' | 14:11 |
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| fugitivo | morning | 14:21 |
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| alterego | Spakman, indeed. Another problem with my damn server. I'm migrating to a new service as we speak. | 14:29 |
| Spakman | alterego: would you mind if I temporarily hosted your Ruby debs on my server for my friends to access? | 14:31 |
| alterego | No, by all means. | 14:32 |
| alterego | Do you have them? | 14:32 |
| Spakman | good luck with the new service (it's a total pain in the arse shifting) | 14:32 |
| alterego | Thanks, but I'm through the worst of it now ^_^ | 14:32 |
| Spakman | I think I have most of them, but would be great if you could send me ruby1.8-sqlite | 14:33 |
| solmumaha | alterego: new release coming? | 14:33 |
| alterego | solmumaha, hopefully. When I get my services back online .. | 14:34 |
| solmumaha | you run it on 770he? | 14:34 |
| solmumaha | j/k | 14:35 |
| solmumaha | 770he is quite stable | 14:35 |
| alterego | I've dropped support for OS2007 :P | 14:35 |
| solmumaha | that means 2006 too? | 14:35 |
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| alterego | Yes, | 14:36 |
| alterego | for now. | 14:36 |
| solmumaha | :'( | 14:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully OS2008HE will actually get out the door. | 14:36 |
| solmumaha | can you still host the older debs for them? | 14:36 |
| alterego | Of course. | 14:36 |
| solmumaha | i'm not moving to newer then :) | 14:36 |
| alterego | When I get more time, I'll back port to 2007 and 2006 | 14:36 |
| solmumaha | keep your libconic | 14:37 |
| alterego | But I'm under a shit load of shit right now :/ | 14:37 |
| solmumaha | sounds bad | 14:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shovel faster! | 14:37 |
| solmumaha | but i'm happy with what you gave already | 14:37 |
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| thopiekar | hi @ all | 15:10 |
| thopiekar | what'S new?? | 15:10 |
| johnx | funny you should ask | 15:11 |
| johnx | I'm just putting the finishing touches on my hacked-up tarball of debian for the N8x0 | 15:11 |
| wikki | nice john | 15:12 |
| liri | is anyone doing pygtk+hildon programming on a desktop as the development box? | 15:12 |
| thopiekar | dp switch | 15:14 |
| thopiekar | hey john thanks for the | 15:15 |
| thopiekar | a2dp switch | 15:15 |
| thopiekar | it works fine^^ | 15:15 |
| johnx | good to hear | 15:15 |
| thopiekar | is just the mplayer hackable?? | 15:16 |
| thopiekar | is it able to hack the osso-player too?? | 15:16 |
| johnx | anything that uses alsa directly for output can use a2dp | 15:16 |
| johnx | osso-player uses gstreamer and sends audio to the N8x0's DSP | 15:16 |
| johnx | and better yet, it's not open source, AFAIK | 15:17 |
| thopiekar | is it switch able?? from gstreamer to alsa?? | 15:17 |
| johnx | no | 15:17 |
| thopiekar | hmm | 15:17 |
| thopiekar | thanks for the informations^^ | 15:17 |
| johnx | sure | 15:17 |
| johnx | luckily, people inside and outside nokia are still working on A2DP so it should get better eventually | 15:19 |
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| Spakman | alterego: are you able to send me the ruby1.8-sqlite3 deb, please? | 15:55 |
| lcuk_2 | hey GeneralAntilles, you can't go alerting my boss. i only peeked in for a minute. thankfully i am winning | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll do what I want! | 15:56 |
| * Tak alert lcuk_2's boss | 15:58 | |
| lcuk_2 | :O at you all | 15:58 |
| lcuk_2 | hmmmmmmm - i just noticed my wireles sconnection is running. it was forcefully closed last night and nothing should be going through it | 15:59 |
| * Tak opened it in order to alert your boss | 16:00 | |
| lcuk_2 | lol - hmmm for some reason my 810 is powered up | 16:00 |
| lcuk_2 | can i disable wireless from putty? | 16:01 |
| sp3000 | it works best that way | 16:01 |
| lcuk_2 | not really im about a zillion miles away at work using vnc | 16:01 |
| lcuk_2 | unless the cat is using it | 16:01 |
| lcuk_2 | hmmm - how do i remotely enable the cam and take a picture | 16:01 |
| lcuk_2 | ive got root | 16:01 |
| lcuk_2 | is that possible? | 16:02 |
| johnx | find something that captures from /dev/video0 on the command line | 16:02 |
| johnx | I think it's just a generic V4L device | 16:03 |
| Tak | mplayer will do that | 16:03 |
| lcuk_2 | why cant i just apt-get picture :P | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 16:04 |
| fugitivo | mplayer /dev/video0 works? | 16:04 |
| lcuk_2 | mplayer might do, but the ssh session is terminal based | 16:04 |
| fugitivo | output to a file | 16:04 |
| lcuk_2 | i just need to start it and grab | 16:04 |
| zaheerm | gst-launch v4l2src ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=abc.png | 16:05 |
| Tak | on a desktop you can do mplayer -vo png -frames N | 16:05 |
| Tak | ah, zaheerm has hit | 16:05 |
| fugitivo | mplayer /dev/video0 -vo jpeg | 16:05 |
| zaheerm | i am assuming ffmpegcolorspace and pngenc are on device | 16:06 |
| zaheerm | :) | 16:06 |
| Tak | hooray! | 16:06 |
| lcuk_2 | your assuming a lot, i havent even got gst-launch | 16:06 |
| zaheerm | ffmpegcolorspace is, pngenc not | 16:06 |
| fugitivo | just use mplayer | 16:06 |
| zaheerm | lcuk_2, install gstreamer-tools | 16:07 |
| lcuk_2 | not installed - stock 810 ssh session and the desktop end is win.. | 16:07 |
| fugitivo | if you want to do something, you'll need the correct tools | 16:07 |
| zaheerm | lcuk_2, apt-get install gstreamer-tools | 16:07 |
| lcuk_2 | lol it was just an idle curious thought | 16:07 |
| oil | whoa erniming can sync google calendar with the device gpe calendar. this is one great app. | 16:08 |
| alterego | Spakman, I don't have a new package. What version are you using? | 16:08 |
| lcuk_2 | dang, work to do - ill follow this up later and get it working | 16:08 |
| alterego | Oh, yes I do :) | 16:09 |
| Tak | lcuk_2: install cygwin, enable x-forwarding, install camera app on the device, ... :-P | 16:10 |
| alterego | Spakman, http://alterego.freeshell.org/ruby1.8-sqlite3_1.2.1-1_maemo4_armel.deb | 16:10 |
| Spakman | alterego: brilliant, thanks a lot. | 16:11 |
| alterego | No problem :) | 16:12 |
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| maddler | damn... can't make ad-hoc networking work | 16:13 |
| Tak | no? | 16:15 |
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| maddler | Tak: no... it works on N810... but somehow my laptop refuses to work... :) | 16:18 |
| maddler | I can connect from N95 to N810 | 16:18 |
| maddler | but not from my linux box to N810 | 16:18 |
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| Tak | I had a lot of problems with my thinkpad, but I blamed it on windows | 16:19 |
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| maddler | hehe | 16:19 |
| johnx | I have never seen ad-hoc networking work well | 16:20 |
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| johnx | I mean, I believe that it's *possible*, just I've never *seen* it | 16:20 |
| maddler | well... I was using ad-hoc when I had a Palm... | 16:21 |
| maddler | quite a long time ago... :) | 16:21 |
| maddler | I sold my Palm when I bought 770 :) | 16:21 |
| johnx | I got lucky. The compactflash wifi adapter for my zaurus uses the hostap drivers so it's an instant AP in a pinch :) | 16:23 |
| johnx | heh...never leave home without an access point... | 16:23 |
| maddler | :) | 16:23 |
| maddler | I'll bring my wrt54gl with me next time! :D | 16:23 |
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| kkn | Hello all! I just got my first Internet Tablet and I'm setting up the development environment | 16:25 |
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| kkn | it was quite easy and didn't have any problems with that | 16:25 |
| kkn | I can run hello worlds and I've read through the tutorial | 16:26 |
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| kkn | but I can't find any good code examples | 16:26 |
| maddler | kkn: not sure... but there should be something on maemo.org | 16:26 |
| kkn | I'd like to play around with the GPS stuff, but I'd like to have a working code example | 16:26 |
| kkn | all I found was a doxygen doc | 16:27 |
| kkn | gpsmgr.h | 16:27 |
| kkn | any ideas about applications that use gpsmgr.h? | 16:27 |
| Blafasel | kismet perhaps? | 16:28 |
| Blafasel | At least I think it can support gps sources | 16:28 |
| johnx | kkn, maemo mapper accesses GPS, but I don't know which method it uses | 16:28 |
| kkn | so is gpsmgr.h the right way? | 16:28 |
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| kkn | Blafasel: thanks I'll take a look at kismet! | 16:29 |
| kkn | johnx: and maemo mapper too | 16:29 |
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| kkn | I raelly dont know too much about the platform as such or what applications are available | 16:30 |
| kkn | just the very basics | 16:30 |
| Blafasel | (I'd love to see a working kismet for chinook..) | 16:30 |
| kkn | has anyone tried TDD on maemo? | 16:31 |
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| maddler | tdd? | 16:32 |
| kkn | or BDD for that matter? | 16:32 |
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| * Tak TDD: command not found | 16:32 | |
| maddler | BDD? | 16:32 |
| maddler | sorry... | 16:32 |
| kkn | Test-driven development | 16:32 |
| maddler | oh... no...not me | 16:33 |
| kkn | or behavior | 16:33 |
| maddler | rebbot | 16:33 |
| maddler | brb | 16:33 |
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| michele | ehm... is tablet-encode --best really the best I can get? | 16:33 |
| kkn | I don't any good tdd/bdd frameworks for c, but there are a few for c++ | 16:33 |
| Tak | I do with ruby | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | michele, go and edit tablet-encode for a higher bitrate. | 16:34 |
| kkn | Tak: cool! | 16:34 |
| Tak | there's a test framework going into glib soon | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~1000Kbps works well for me | 16:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | 1200Kbps will probably be ok. | 16:34 |
| michele | ok | 16:34 |
| kkn | Tak: are ruby bindings for maemo available? | 16:35 |
| michele | btw, media player doesn't seem to like the video it generates | 16:35 |
| johnx | you can bump the resolution a little, too probably, but it's barely noticeable | 16:35 |
| michele | I have to use mplayer | 16:35 |
| michele | it worked only with one generated with --average | 16:35 |
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| Tak | kkn: yes | 16:36 |
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| kkn | Tak: thats nice! | 16:36 |
| kkn | c++ tdd: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cpputest/ | 16:36 |
| michele | GeneralAntilles: should I use -2? | 16:36 |
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| kkn | c++ bdd: http://www.laughingpanda.org/projects/cppspec/ | 16:37 |
| kkn | cppspec is in very early stages | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Two-pass? | 16:37 |
| michele | yes | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only if you're not doing on-the-fly encoding. | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's for mediaserv, don't | 16:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | if it's for storage and you don't mind waiting a little more, do. | 16:37 |
| michele | ok | 16:37 |
| michele | I'm just trying the settings, actually | 16:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Also, -c can save time if most of your audio is already in mp3 or aac | 16:40 |
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| maddler | noway... | 16:41 |
| michele | GeneralAntilles: even if it's not 44.1kHz? | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be fine. | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Problems will arise for AC3, etc. | 16:41 |
| michele | thanks | 16:42 |
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| Tak | kkn: yeah, I've been using cppunit on another (non-maemo) project | 16:46 |
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| lophyte | hey all, I'm playing around with canola2 and its not picking up any of the media on my removable card... any suggestions? | 17:09 |
| johnx | I thought I heard you have to tell it where to look in settings somewhere | 17:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you add it as a watched directory? | 17:09 |
| * johnx doesn't use canola | 17:10 | |
| lophyte | I went into the settings and checked off removable disk but its still not picking anything up | 17:10 |
| lophyte | is there another place to add specific directories? | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same place | 17:10 |
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| lophyte | the only options it gives is "audio clips", "removable card", and "internal card" | 17:11 |
| * michele thinks we really need a good no-frills audio player | 17:12 | |
| * GeneralAntilles opens Canola. | 17:12 | |
| lophyte | all of which are checked (i.e. it shows an eye, rather than a crossed out icon) | 17:12 |
| Spakman | hmm - I've just installed my (Ruby) app on my friends clean OS2008 device but get this error: "libhildonwidgets.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". Does anyone know what provides libhildonwidgets? | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Try tapping the directory icon for internal card? | 17:12 |
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| lophyte | there's no directory icon... | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | er, removable. | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, the name. | 17:13 |
| lophyte | tried that too | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | WORKSFORME | 17:13 |
| lophyte | one sec let me try something | 17:13 |
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| lophyte | don't see why this should matter, but maybe its because I'm running KDE | 17:14 |
| lophyte | looks like its working now.. it says updating database | 17:16 |
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| lophyte | weird | 17:16 |
| lophyte | I guess canola doesn't like KDE | 17:16 |
| Tak | Spakman: libhildonwidgets is an os2007 library | 17:16 |
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| michele | lophyte: it could be using some system service that kde doesn't have | 17:18 |
| Spakman | Tak: ah, that makes sense then. Cheers. | 17:19 |
| lophyte | or maybe KDE is locking the disk | 17:19 |
| lophyte | *shrug* | 17:19 |
| lophyte | I know startmaemo is run when I startup KDE.. the only difference is no hildon-desktop | 17:19 |
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| Spakman | alterego: are you able to send me / link to ruby-maemo 0.4.0? | 17:21 |
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| fysa | canola uses media-engine or something | 17:26 |
| lophyte | not sure why that wouldn't be available in kde | 17:26 |
| lophyte | it picked up the media on the internal card though | 17:26 |
| Tak | LightMediaScanner | 17:27 |
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| k-s[WORK] | you can use mplayer to play your media | 17:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | Tak: just posted about your ruby-lms :-) | 17:28 |
| lophyte | yeah, I can use KDE's various media players, but canola rocks :P | 17:29 |
| johnx | so, how long is kismet supposed to work before it dies off? | 17:29 |
| Tak | hmm...is there a list someplace to which I should be subscribed? | 17:30 |
| michele | Tak: it is on garage (mediascanner) | 17:30 |
| k-s[WORK] | lophyte: no, I mean we support playback using mplayer | 17:30 |
| k-s[WORK] | lophyte: sorry | 17:30 |
| lophyte | ah | 17:31 |
| k-s[WORK] | Tak, michele ? | 17:31 |
| lophyte | I don't think it was a playback issue.. it just couldn't find my media | 17:31 |
| Tak | michele: http://lms.garage.maemo.org | 17:31 |
| michele | right | 17:31 |
| Tak | k-s[WORK]: to what did you just post? | 17:31 |
| Tak | michele: ah, I thought you were asking | 17:32 |
| k-s[WORK] | lophyte: you can try to debug by running "canolad stop; canolad start -v -v -l /home/user/canolad.log" | 17:32 |
| michele | eh :) | 17:32 |
| * michele plans to try lms | 17:32 | |
| k-s[WORK] | lophyte: do it as regular "user" (not root!) | 17:32 |
| k-s[WORK] | Tak: my blog, it might show in some hours in planet | 17:32 |
| Tak | ah | 17:32 |
| lophyte | k-s[WORK], cool, I'll try it out, but it seems to be working now.. I rebooted into the hildon-desktop | 17:33 |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: mediascanner is yet-another scanner? | 17:33 |
| michele | I glanced at the docs, but it's not very clear how I am supposed to use it | 17:33 |
| michele | k-s[WORK]: no, I meant lms | 17:33 |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: how to use lms? | 17:33 |
| michele | yes | 17:33 |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: there is a test there, really simple | 17:33 |
| michele | in the source? | 17:33 |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: and a python test, even easier to get the overall idea | 17:33 |
| michele | great | 17:34 |
| * Tak add rss feed | 17:34 | |
| k-s[WORK] | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/lms/lightmediascanner/src/bin/test.c | 17:34 |
| k-s[WORK] | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/lms/python-lightmediascanner/examples/test.py | 17:34 |
| k-s[WORK] | you have 2 separate calls: | 17:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | check -> check files from DB to see if they're consistent, removed or what. If mtime (modification time) changed, reparse it | 17:35 |
| k-s[WORK] | process -> given a folder, scan recursively for media, adding new media, reparsing those with different mtime from DB | 17:36 |
| k-s[WORK] | check will mark files as deleted in DB (dtime = current time) | 17:37 |
| k-s[WORK] | so you can choose to expire these in future | 17:37 |
| michele | so, given an hypotethical music player | 17:37 |
| k-s[WORK] | and so mmc removal and re-add will not require reparse of all media | 17:37 |
| Tak | hmm, I guess I should write an example | 17:37 |
| michele | at startup I shuold check the DB | 17:37 |
| * Tak ++TODO | 17:37 | |
| * michele too | 17:38 | |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: often you check the DB and process folders, to guarantee new musics will be added to DB | 17:38 |
| k-s[WORK] | so it's a combination of lms_check() and lms_process() | 17:38 |
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| michele | what I don't understand is | 17:38 |
| k-s[WORK] | I just not liked to force you to call both, but it's recommended | 17:38 |
| michele | how do I get a list of all the music files in the DB? | 17:38 |
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| johnx | tonight's notes: mac spoofing works fine with N800 booted in Debian, as does kismet. :) | 17:40 |
| michele | am I supposed to just go and read the sqlite store by myself? | 17:40 |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: lms just add to DB | 17:40 |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: then you get from DB using your preferred library | 17:40 |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: it's sqlite3 | 17:40 |
| michele | ooh ok | 17:40 |
| michele | that's what I was missing | 17:40 |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: if you're using python you can use SQLObject, SQLAlchemy, Storm... | 17:41 |
| michele | you should add a line explaining this somewhere on the site | 17:41 |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: actually in canola we run lms on another process we call "canola-daemon" | 17:41 |
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| k-s[WORK] | to avoid crashing the main process if it crash for some reason, also helps to not block the main process | 17:41 |
| k-s[WORK] | and the coupling between then is low, so we just have few dbus calls (start, stop, is_processing...) | 17:42 |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: makes sense... but do you have a text idea? :-) | 17:42 |
| michele | k-s[WORK]: something very simple: for example after the last paragraph, "applications can then access the sqlite database to get all the informations about scanned media" | 17:43 |
| michele | and hopefully a link to a description of the DB's schema :) | 17:44 |
| michele | lms is a neat idea, though | 17:44 |
| michele | something that would be useful in desktop linux too | 17:45 |
| michele | just like eds | 17:45 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. Just found this: http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/01/nokia_n810_clone.html | 17:47 |
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| Blafasel | Btw: Doesn't it look more like a N800 if at all? | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a super-fat N800. | 17:48 |
| melmoth | there was a similar clone rumored monthes ago. | 17:48 |
| melmoth | never saw it becoming real, did we ? | 17:48 |
| k-s[WORK] | Tak: what's a good ORM for Ruby so I can cite it? | 17:48 |
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| k-s[WORK] | michele: table desc is at the end of http://lms.garage.maemo.org/api/index.html | 17:49 |
| k-s[WORK] | maybe it would be good to provide SQLObject and Storm schemas for python-lms | 17:50 |
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| Tak | k-s[WORK]: are you looking for something like http://sequel.rubyforge.org/ ? | 17:51 |
| michele | k-s[WORK]: any plans to add album cover data? | 17:51 |
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| k-s[WORK] | michele: I think it deserves another place | 17:53 |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: I could mark if images have a cover or not | 17:54 |
| k-s[WORK] | michele: that's all that can fit there without hurting library scope and even performance | 17:54 |
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| k-s[WORK] | michele: http://lms.garage.maemo.org/ updated with your request | 17:59 |
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| michele | k-s[WORK]: very nice | 18:01 |
| johnx | anyone interested in a nice tarball of debian for the N8x0 that they can boot from the SD card? raise your hands now! | 18:02 |
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| k-s[WORK] | johnx: what's the point? | 18:02 |
| k-s[WORK] | johnx: or what's good in it? | 18:03 |
| michele | tinkering | 18:03 |
| johnx | tinkering for now | 18:03 |
| k-s[WORK] | (being debian is not a pro to me... if it was gentoo...) | 18:03 |
| * michele has his hands full | 18:03 | |
| johnx | 8000+ debian packages, ready to install | 18:03 |
| michele | argh. gento.. | 18:03 |
| johnx | k-s[WORK], if it was gentoo you'd be compiling until next year | 18:03 |
| lophyte | johnx, I'll give it a shot :) | 18:03 |
| johnx | http://tablet.usizo.com/files/ | 18:03 |
| johnx | big thanks to fysa for hosting! | 18:03 |
| michele | johnx: come on, don't tickle me | 18:04 |
| k-s[WORK] | johnx: use binary packages, or icecream/distcc and use your pc... the same speed | 18:04 |
| johnx | k-s[WORK], whats the state of binary packages for ARM EABI on gentoo? | 18:04 |
| * johnx is honestly interested | 18:04 | |
| k-s[WORK] | johnx: dunno, never bothered :-P | 18:04 |
| Tak | k-s[WORK]: How's http://rafb.net/p/Z8W0da19.html look? | 18:04 |
| lophyte | johnx, just extract that to my ext2 partition on my sd card? | 18:04 |
| lophyte | or is there any other configuration necessary | 18:05 |
| johnx | lophyte, do you already have "boot from SD" setup? | 18:05 |
| lophyte | yup | 18:05 |
| lophyte | I have a cloned os2008 on my sd card with KDE | 18:05 |
| Tak | johnx: is that a semi-permanent location, or no? | 18:05 |
| johnx | yeah, just extract it on an ext2/3 partition | 18:05 |
| lophyte | nice. | 18:05 |
| Tak | (i.e. should I bookmark it, or save the tarball someplace | 18:05 |
| lophyte | johnx, I can provide a d/l mirror if you'd like | 18:05 |
| johnx | fysa says it can stay up until february | 18:06 |
| johnx | I'm probably going to get a torrent together in the next couple days | 18:06 |
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| lophyte | that's only a couple of days | 18:06 |
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| k-s[WORK] | Tak: looks fine | 18:06 |
| lophyte | I have a high speed server I can host it on... its available if you're interested | 18:06 |
| johnx | if you're offering I'll take you up on it | 18:07 |
| johnx | the more mirrors the better | 18:07 |
| johnx | lophyte, do you care if I post a link to that server on a thread on itt? or would it be just for #maemo? | 18:07 |
| lophyte | sure, go ahead | 18:08 |
| johnx | great! | 18:09 |
| Tak | k-s[WORK]: r38 | 18:09 |
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| lophyte | wow | 18:11 |
| lophyte | I grabbed it from your server at 5MB/s | 18:11 |
| lophyte | lol | 18:11 |
| lophyte | http://lophyte.com/downloads/nokia/debian-armel-n800.tar.bz2 | 18:12 |
| johnx | great! | 18:12 |
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| Tak | k-s[WORK]: I guess rails guys tend to use http://ar.rubyonrails.org as well | 18:14 |
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| cosmo | a bit off-topic, but anyone know how to make a dns request to a specific server in c? | 18:23 |
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| cosmo | i can't find a function for that | 18:24 |
| inz | There probably isn't one | 18:24 |
| k-s[WORK] | dig @server ip | 18:24 |
| Tak | cosmo: getnameinfo() ? | 18:24 |
| fugitivo | i don't think you have standard functions for that | 18:25 |
| k-s[WORK] | but if it's code, then you need to talk to port 53 UDP directly | 18:25 |
| k-s[WORK] | package should be trivial | 18:26 |
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| cosmo | k-s[WORK]: yep.. i'm trying to avoid writing my own implementation | 18:26 |
| k-s[WORK] | cosmo: maybe bind utils have a shared library | 18:27 |
| * Tak coughs | 18:27 | |
| Tak | getnameinfo() | 18:27 |
| k-s[WORK] | Tak: you cannot choose the server with that | 18:27 |
| cosmo | Tak: hm, looks like it does reverse (ip to hostname) | 18:27 |
| dragorn | all the libc stuff I know of uses /etc/resolv | 18:27 |
| dragorn | so you'd have to make a udp socket and write a frame out | 18:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | ah, it does, damn my mind is horrible | 18:28 |
| dragorn | and listen. And possibly handle tcp as well. Annoyingly nontrivial. | 18:28 |
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| fysa | it will be up for a couple of weeks at least. | 18:29 |
| fysa | we just have 1.5 terabyte of transfer to blow through this next week ;) | 18:30 |
| fysa | there's a reasonable chance it can just hide here indefinitely. | 18:30 |
| lophyte | I've only got 200GB but whatever.. | 18:30 |
| fysa | but if for some reason everyone in china starts downloading, I may have to take it off ;) | 18:31 |
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| k-s[WORK] | Tak: I was right, and so dragorn... it does not use that serv to resolve the ip, but get the remote peer of the socket connection | 18:31 |
| Tak | hmm...boo | 18:31 |
| johnx | I'll get a bittorrent together for it soon anyways | 18:32 |
| lophyte | I'll help seed in that case ;) | 18:33 |
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| lophyte | ok, time to try this out... | 18:33 |
| X-Fade | kulve: ping? | 18:33 |
| fysa | bluetooth works in this one? | 18:33 |
| johnx | lophyte, are you on an N810 or N800? | 18:34 |
| lophyte | N800 | 18:34 |
| johnx | ok, same here | 18:34 |
| johnx | I don't know how screen calibration will be on the N810 | 18:34 |
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| lophyte | I'm anxious to hack something up on my n800 but I'm not sure what | 18:35 |
| Tak | johnx: is it using busybox or bash/glibc ? | 18:35 |
| johnx | Tak, bash/glibc | 18:35 |
| johnx | It's just plain debian | 18:35 |
| Tak | hmm - how's the performance on that? | 18:35 |
| johnx | fine | 18:35 |
| johnx | I ran epiphany-webkit and had good results with google maps even | 18:35 |
| * lophyte clears out his 1.5GB partition and extracts debian on it | 18:36 | |
| johnx | lophyte, also keep in mind (since I don't have release notes up) all this does is get you to a root prompt with an onscreen keyboard | 18:37 |
| johnx | I don't want to build any hype here | 18:37 |
| johnx | this is strictly proof of concept | 18:37 |
| lophyte | yeah but it gives me something to hack | 18:37 |
| lophyte | and play with | 18:37 |
| johnx | good attitude :) | 18:37 |
| johnx | to do any serious hacking you'll want to plug in a usb cable and just telnet in | 18:37 |
| johnx | release notes will come up in a couple minutes | 18:38 |
| lophyte | if I can get fluxbox or xfce or even gnome running on it I'll be happy | 18:38 |
| lophyte | it gives me something to blog about in any case, haha | 18:38 |
| johnx | cool | 18:38 |
| Tak | nice debian installer that defaults to a correctly configured matchbox would be killer | 18:38 |
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| johnx | Tak, well it's not an installer...but that's what this does | 18:39 |
| johnx | also, nothing on this is "correctly configured" | 18:39 |
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| lophyte | so it supports usb networking and runs telnet? | 18:39 |
| johnx | lophyte, yes | 18:39 |
| lophyte | nice | 18:40 |
| johnx | wait about 15 seconds after you select it in the boot menu, then plug in the usb cable and on desktop do: sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1 | 18:40 |
| johnx | then telnet 192.168.2.2 | 18:40 |
| lophyte | sweet, it works | 18:43 |
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| johnx | woo! | 18:43 |
| johnx | that's great! | 18:43 |
| lophyte | what WM is that? | 18:43 |
| johnx | matchbox | 18:43 |
| lophyte | ah | 18:43 |
| johnx | same WM as Nokia uses | 18:44 |
| johnx | just configured differently | 18:44 |
| fysa | if someone gets matchbox working with all the extra fun stuff, send me the image ;) | 18:44 |
| fysa | we can put both up.. | 18:44 |
| johnx | fysa, like all the stuff the OE/angstrom guys have? | 18:44 |
| johnx | I think most of that's not in debian... | 18:44 |
| johnx | but at least now compiling it is dead simple | 18:45 |
| fysa | maybe we need a new repository | 18:45 |
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| Tak | heh, for some reason, I read that as "dead people" | 18:45 |
| fysa | and meta-packages | 18:45 |
| johnx | maybe | 18:46 |
| jott | johnx: fyi my kismet runs for 2 hours now on os2008 | 18:46 |
| johnx | I'd like to see more of the core stuff working first | 18:46 |
| johnx | jott, ah interesting. | 18:46 |
| johnx | it looks like whatever they did to the drivers in november helped | 18:46 |
| jott | (that is plain sid backport) | 18:47 |
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| johnx | well it works in debian too, so at least there's no regression | 18:47 |
| lophyte | I wonder if debian+kde would run faster than os2008+kde | 18:47 |
| kulve | X-Fade: pong | 18:48 |
| johnx | hmm...guess you get to find out :) | 18:48 |
| Tak | next xmaeme release will support gnuboy :-) | 18:48 |
| X-Fade | kulve: Check https://maemo.org ;) | 18:49 |
| * jott has to wait for his debian tests until his new sd card arrives :( | 18:49 | |
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| johnx | jott, it's ok. lots of stuff will probably be *actually working* and not quite as hacky by then | 18:50 |
| johnx | :) | 18:50 |
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| jott | heh..yeah i actually ordered the card last week but all in a sudden it went out of stock.. it should arrive tomorrow hopefully.. | 18:51 |
| kulve | X-Fade: "The server timed out"? | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | kulve: Ehm, no that shouldn't be it ;) | 18:51 |
| jott | anyway.. i've no problem with tinkering around ;) | 18:52 |
| lophyte | johnx, if you need a hand getting anything in particular working I'm willing to play around | 18:53 |
| kulve | X-Fade: trying again.. | 18:53 |
| jott | though meanwhile i've nearly all major debian/sid build-deps installed and running in scratchbox :) | 18:53 |
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| johnx | lophyte, anything you get working just add to the wiki page here: http://internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 18:53 |
| johnx | power saving is probably going to be the hardest | 18:54 |
| kulve | X-Fade: oh, the pearl? :) | 18:54 |
| X-Fade | kulve: Yeah ;) I've added it for OS2008. | 18:54 |
| X-Fade | kulve: My question is, are you going to support OS2007 and OS2006 too? Or only OS2008.. | 18:55 |
| kulve | X-Fade: that's nice. Although it has an annoying side-affect with voip calls: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2811 | 18:55 |
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| X-Fade | kulve: Yeah, I know about that ;) | 18:55 |
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| kulve | X-Fade: probably not. There's one version for 2007 but it doesn't work with the media player and I don't remember anything about 2006 anymore.. | 18:56 |
| X-Fade | kulve: Ok, no problem.. | 18:56 |
| lophyte | johnx, have you tried doing anything other than just getting it running? | 18:58 |
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| johnx | lophyte, nope | 18:58 |
| johnx | I just got this working at all last night | 18:58 |
| lophyte | nice | 18:58 |
| lophyte | congrats | 18:58 |
| johnx | thanks :D | 18:58 |
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| jackster | anyone know where I would get python2.5-hildon and python2.5-gtk ? | 19:00 |
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| * lophyte isn't sure what to play with in debian | 19:04 | |
| johnx | suggestions: epiphany-webkit, kismet, evince, abiword | 19:04 |
| lophyte | installing a DE would take forever from here.. | 19:04 |
| lophyte | slow connection and all | 19:04 |
| johnx | ah, that's too bad | 19:04 |
| henrique | is there any needed setup to get dbus working properly in scratchbox? | 19:04 |
| michele | lophyte: try wmaker | 19:04 |
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| lophyte | true | 19:05 |
| johnx | michele, I tried that last night. It works nicely. :) | 19:05 |
| johnx | I think it's the first thing I tested after xeyes | 19:05 |
| lophyte | xfce maybe | 19:05 |
| michele | :) | 19:06 |
| michele | wmaker has a special place in my hearth | 19:06 |
| Tak | how about some of the things that will be required for general usage? | 19:06 |
| Tak | e.g. a wifi config app(let)? | 19:07 |
| Tak | michele: you print out the source code and burn it? ;-) | 19:07 |
| johnx | network manager should actually work...but I haven't tried it | 19:07 |
| johnx | michele, I still use it on lower power machines | 19:07 |
| johnx | my laptop runs it actually :) | 19:07 |
| fysa | lophyte: X11 forwarding | 19:07 |
| fysa | and bluetooth mouse | 19:08 |
| lophyte | bluetooth mouse would be nice, too bad i don't have one | 19:08 |
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| michele | Tak: I print the source and I stick it to my bedroom walls | 19:08 |
| lophyte | I could use a BT keyboard too | 19:08 |
| johnx | don't worry, bluetooth doesn't work yet anyways | 19:09 |
| johnx | heh | 19:09 |
| michele | johnx: I have two machines, mine and the work one, and those are already more than I can manage :) | 19:09 |
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| johnx | michele, when I was in high school I used to have quite a collection of used machine in various states | 19:10 |
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| johnx | I'm a gadgetaholic :) | 19:10 |
| lophyte | me too | 19:10 |
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| michele | I'd like to have them too | 19:11 |
| michele | but I know I'll just leave them there accumulating dust | 19:11 |
| johnx | oh, I always find a way to occupy pretty much all the CPU power I have at the moment | 19:12 |
| doc|home | I have a cobalt qube I've never even played with :| | 19:12 |
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| johnx | I remember at a previous job having 6 macbooks (that weren't yet deployed) sitting on my desk encoding video | 19:13 |
| doc|home | hahaha | 19:13 |
| Screaming | Hi guyz. Sudden thought...does java work on johnx's debian install? If so, he is not merely a God, he is godallmighty brilliant as well! | 19:14 |
| johnx | heh | 19:14 |
| johnx | Screaming, I actually have no idea. | 19:14 |
| Tak | apt-get install gij ;-) | 19:15 |
| johnx | what specifically are you looking for with regards to java? | 19:15 |
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| Screaming | Nothing particularly. I hate the language but there is lots written 4 it that wont go on maemoo. | 19:16 |
| michele | yes, I'd love to have one of the old powerbooks | 19:17 |
| michele | the pismo | 19:17 |
| michele | or the titanium | 19:17 |
| johnx | michele, I actually liked the look of the older imacs that had the LCD with the long arm and the half-sphere base | 19:17 |
| michele | johnx: yes, that was great too | 19:18 |
| Tak | oh, the lamp ones | 19:18 |
| Screaming | And others love writing for java. Makes the Nx0 even more yummy 4 them | 19:18 |
| michele | johnx: and in fact you can find plenty of them for sale, but they are still expensive | 19:18 |
| johnx | Screaming, I know next to nothing about what libraries are available for what architectures, but if it's available for Debian armel, it works here | 19:18 |
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| johnx | michele, yeah, macs keep their value :/ | 19:18 |
| michele | johnx: they were designed by the same guy that designed the original ipod | 19:19 |
| michele | johnx: that model in particular, collectors love it | 19:19 |
| johnx | ah | 19:19 |
| johnx | that would explain it :/ | 19:19 |
| j0tt | is there a hildonized gvim? | 19:19 |
| michele | me I'm planning to reinstall OS9 on my ibook 2001 as soon as my borther returns it | 19:19 |
| michele | and use it as my media server :) | 19:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OS9? <_< | 19:20 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's almost like a modern operating system if you sort of tilt your head and squint. :P | 19:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha . . . I'm so glad my Mac Classic days are behind me. | 19:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | CES interview is up: http://tabletblog.com/2008/01/ces-2008-nokia-interview.html | 19:22 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, and I'm glad the first time I had to really deal with MacOS was 10.4 | 19:22 |
| johnx | ah cool | 19:22 |
| michele | OS9 was great | 19:22 |
| Screaming | Gotta do some googling about java bbl | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bull. | 19:22 |
| michele | OSX is getting more and more a mess | 19:22 |
| skibur | lol | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS9 was horrible. | 19:22 |
| michele | Bull. | 19:22 |
| michele | :) | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | OS8 was worse. | 19:22 |
| skibur | http://youtube.com/watch?v=8zEQhhaJsU4 | 19:23 |
| * Tak anticipate revisitation of ITT/macos flamewar | 19:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | 7 was OK | 19:23 |
| skibur | nice funny video | 19:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mac Classic is barely an OS . . . | 19:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assigning memory to applications in their info dialogs is tons of fun. | 19:23 |
| johnx | I think you both like different version for different reasons | 19:24 |
| fysa | the best Mac pre-OS X was a fast Amiga with a video card and Shapeshifter emulation software. ;) | 19:24 |
| Screaming | Ma OS7 was one step up from the Spectrum | 19:24 |
| skibur | Do Windows and Mac have the same Kernel? | 19:24 |
| johnx | michele, I'm assuming you're not too fond of the direction OSX is going in terms of GUI design | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | skibur, hahaha | 19:24 |
| skibur | lol | 19:24 |
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| johnx | anyways, I think we can all agree that NeXT Step was the best release of MacOS ever :P | 19:25 |
| skibur | I'm working on a new distro | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 19:25 |
| skibur | Linux + Windows 3.11 | 19:25 |
| skibur | I really wanna see this | 19:26 |
| johnx | install twm and switch your x server to 16 colors | 19:26 |
| johnx | close enough | 19:26 |
| skibur | It will bring back childhood memories | 19:26 |
| johnx | just run 3.1 under dosbox | 19:26 |
| skibur | :) | 19:26 |
| michele | johnx: I think it's losing one of the great values od Mac OS, consistency and an unified design. though I stopped using it at 10.3, and leopard seems to be improved, at least visually you don't have fifteen different UIs | 19:27 |
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| johnx | michele, yeah, it's really sad when Linux starts having a more unified desktop look+feel than MacOS | 19:27 |
| michele | johnx: yes, and everybody is waiting for the final release of gnustep :) | 19:27 |
| michele | johnx: exactly | 19:27 |
| michele | johnx: well. I won't call it sad, as I am more of a linux person than mac | 19:28 |
| johnx | michele, but in terms of real OS feature OSX continues to make great strides and <OS9 is just scary | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Leopard is a big improvement there. | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though some of the arbitrary "because we can" GUI changes piss me off. | 19:28 |
| michele | johnx: indeed | 19:28 |
| johnx | but why did they do that to the icons?! | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunno. | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what CandyBar is for. | 19:28 |
| michele | oh yeah, look! coverflow in the finder! | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, I get a lot of use out of that one. | 19:29 |
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| johnx | anyways, I need to catch some sleep | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the whole spatial/relational thing took one step forward and two steps back with Leopard. | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | They need to get that sorted out so I can stop hating the Finder. | 19:29 |
| johnx | I'll trust you guys can carry on a good rant without me :) | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course. ;) | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night | 19:29 |
| johnx | 'night all | 19:30 |
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| Tak | all we need for a rant is a topic | 19:30 |
| doc|home | George Busg | 19:31 |
| doc|home | *Bush | 19:31 |
| jott | na you don't even need a topic.. meta ranting is the way to go! ;) | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody and everything sucks. | 19:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because. | 19:31 |
| jackster | yup | 19:31 |
| Tak | "Autotools, an intractably arcane and grotesquely anachronistic cesspool of ineffable complexity that makes even seasoned programmers nauseous." | 19:31 |
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| jott | Tak: thats why everyone uses cmake nowadays :P | 19:32 |
| jott | speaking of... is there actually a hildon cmake module? | 19:33 |
| * Tak <3 autotools | 19:33 | |
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| lophyte | n ice | 19:37 |
| lophyte | xfce running on n800 | 19:37 |
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| Tak | cmake seems to be very much focused on c(++)? | 19:43 |
| Tak | lophyte: very cool | 19:43 |
| lophyte | and I installed the dillo web browser, hehe | 19:43 |
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| lophyte | bah, the matchbox keyboard is way too big | 19:48 |
| lophyte | wish I had an n810 | 19:48 |
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| lophyte | hey penguinbait | 19:57 |
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| jackster | hmm, I've installed becomeroot | 20:08 |
| jackster | and when I do sudo gainroot then passwd it keeps saying 'They don't match; try again' | 20:08 |
| jackster | after putting in the password twice | 20:08 |
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| jackster | but they *do* match | 20:09 |
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| jackster | hmmm ok, I've got a root password set for user it would seem | 20:19 |
| jackster | but I can't do anything with sudo, it just says, for example 'Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/apt-get update' as root on Nokia-N800-52-2.' | 20:20 |
| Tak | you need to use visudo as root to give user permissions | 20:21 |
| fysa | lophyte: there a firefox package? | 20:21 |
| Disconnect | Tak: under maemo the fix is to edit /usr/sbin/gainroot | 20:22 |
| Disconnect | jackster: see above. :) then its 'sudo gainroot' | 20:22 |
| * Tak shrugs | 20:23 | |
| * Tak uses sudo under maemo | 20:24 | |
| jackster | Disconnect: so I edit /usr/sbin/gainroot and do something with visudo? | 20:25 |
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| Disconnect | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot | 20:26 |
| fysa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazehakase | 20:26 |
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| Disconnect | under "option A" | 20:27 |
| Cptnodegard | FINALLY | 20:29 |
| fysa | this is a good firefox alternative for native debian | 20:29 |
| Cptnodegard | i hate applying screen protectors -.- | 20:29 |
| fysa | haha | 20:29 |
| fysa | I suffered with bubbles and rubbery feel for a few weeks then got sick of it and took it off.. | 20:30 |
| fysa | maybe if I had an N810, but the N800.. ;) | 20:30 |
| fysa | it's not terribly attractive to begin with, it could use some character | 20:30 |
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| Cptnodegard | i always buy screen protectors in packs of 10 from china xD | 20:31 |
| Cptnodegard | as i dont do bubbles at ALL | 20:31 |
| Cptnodegard | took 3 tries this time :S | 20:31 |
| fysa | Kazehakase has a ruby-based internal scripting language also | 20:31 |
| fysa | (internal?) | 20:31 |
| Tak | ooo | 20:32 |
| fysa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftweasel | 20:33 |
| fysa | Swiftweasel is an optimized Firefox that supports mozilla extensions. | 20:34 |
| Tak | meh | 20:35 |
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| Tak | firefox -0MG-0PTIMIZED!!! | 20:35 |
| fysa | I want grabanddrag :) | 20:35 |
| fysa | http://grabanddrag.mozdev.org/ | 20:35 |
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| _berto_ | anyone in UK/US/Germany ? | 20:41 |
| VRe | I feel that the maemo.org wiki is nowadays underused.. all the new maemo related stuff is now in some other wiki | 20:41 |
| keesj_ | what other wiki? | 20:41 |
| Blafasel | _berto_: Germany, why? | 20:42 |
| _berto_ | Blafasel: can you open http://www.last.fm/subscribe and send me an screenshot ? | 20:42 |
| fysa | that's the beauty of wikis :) | 20:42 |
| * Tak US | 20:42 | |
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| _berto_ | there seems to be a new service in last.fm -> http://blog.last.fm/2008/01/23/free-the-music | 20:42 |
| fysa | take all the fun stuff out of the others and paste it in the maemo wiki ;) | 20:42 |
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| Blafasel | _berto_: So? | 20:44 |
| Blafasel | I'm already a subscriber.. What do you want to see from that screenshot? ;) | 20:44 |
| _berto_ | it seems that in UK/US/Germany there's a new service | 20:44 |
| Tak | _berto_: I get the "Coming Soon" message | 20:44 |
| _berto_ | "As of today, you can play full-length tracks and entire albums for free on the Last.fm website." | 20:45 |
| _berto_ | ah, "Coming soon", ok, I'll have to wait then | 20:45 |
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| Blafasel | Same here, Coming Soon | 20:45 |
| _berto_ | ok, thanks | 20:45 |
| Blafasel | Let me log in and check if it already offers something | 20:45 |
| _berto_ | probably not | 20:46 |
| lophyte | fysa, you get firefox working? | 20:46 |
| _berto_ | "The soon-to-be announced subscription service will give you unlimited plays and some other useful things" | 20:46 |
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| _berto_ | IIUC you'll be able to listen to the tracks from EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner for a fixed subscription (!!) | 20:47 |
| Blafasel | _berto_: Translated, as good as I can: "Listen to titles in full length. Enter the artist here.." | 20:47 |
| Blafasel | Let me give it a try. Just need to pick a good artist ;) | 20:47 |
| _berto_ | "During this initial public beta period, each track can be played up to 3 times for free before a notice appears telling you about our upcoming subscription service. The soon-to-be announced subscription service will give you unlimited plays" | 20:48 |
| _berto_ | this sounds great | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Subscription service or the beta? | 20:48 |
| Blafasel | Just playing a title, seems to be 3:40 in length (so probably full) | 20:48 |
| _berto_ | I understand that now you have 3 listens per song, and when you subscribe you'll be able to play it unlimited times | 20:49 |
| fysa | lophyte: haven't gotten it installed yet, did you see a package for it in apt-cache search? | 20:49 |
| VRe | keesj: for example internettablettalks wiki | 20:49 |
| Blafasel | Well, I subscribed after using last.fm for like 20min, because I really support their offer. | 20:50 |
| lophyte | fysa, in debian, iceweasel = firefox | 20:50 |
| fysa | aha | 20:50 |
| fysa | is it there? | 20:50 |
| lophyte | they changed the name when Mozilla went nuts about licensing of their trade marks | 20:50 |
| VRe | fysa: copy and paste .. and change the formating tags :) | 20:50 |
| Blafasel | firefox is a registered trademark, iirc. Therefor they created iceweasel, to be free of any Mozilla complains | 20:50 |
| lophyte | yeah | 20:50 |
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| Blafasel | lophyte: Naa, not licensing afaik. | 20:51 |
| fysa | if so, http://grabanddrag.mozdev.org/ - kinetic scrolling and gesture interface add-on for mozilla browsers that support extensions ;) | 20:51 |
| lophyte | well, use of their trade marks in any case | 20:51 |
| lophyte | sorry, wrong word | 20:51 |
| Blafasel | fysa: Yep, looks nice | 20:51 |
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| pupnik | i still want dillo on the tablet | 20:52 |
| lophyte | pupnik, already done. | 20:52 |
| lophyte | i have it running here | 20:53 |
| pupnik | :) share pls? | 20:53 |
| fysa | yes, pupnik. debian-armel running natively, all debian-armel packages. :) | 20:53 |
| lophyte | yeah | 20:53 |
| pupnik | ohh | 20:53 |
| fysa | (.. KDE) | 20:53 |
| fysa | you could compile on device ;) | 20:54 |
| pupnik | i think it's still gtk 1.2, and there's no 2.0 version | 20:54 |
| lophyte | pupnik, install debian-armel on an SD card and apt-get install dillo | 20:54 |
| pupnik | wow, i wonder if i could multiboot | 20:54 |
| lophyte | yes you can | 20:54 |
| fysa | you can dedicated an SD just to this.. | 20:55 |
| fysa | http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian-armel/pool-armel/main/k/kdebase/ | 20:55 |
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| Blafasel | lophyte: Interesting.. Is kismet available for that setup? Probably, right? | 20:55 |
| fysa | 3.5.8, as of Dec 30th 2007 | 20:55 |
| lophyte | likely... | 20:55 |
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| fysa | http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian-armel/pool-armel/main/k/ | 20:55 |
| lophyte | anything available from debian-armel | 20:55 |
| fysa | and kde4libs - http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian-armel/pool-armel/main/k/kde4libs/ | 20:55 |
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| lophyte | I wonder if johnx posted release notes.. | 20:56 |
| fysa | wow | 20:56 |
| fysa | http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian-armel/pool-armel/main/o/openarena/ | 20:56 |
| lophyte | or at least a short howto | 20:56 |
| fysa | Quake 3 Arena ;) | 20:56 |
| b0unc3 | how much space require debian-armel ? | 20:57 |
| lophyte | ~100MB | 20:57 |
| lophyte | I think | 20:57 |
| lophyte | the tar.bz2 is like 80MB | 20:57 |
| b0unc3 | yes, I see.. 84MB... | 20:57 |
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| b0unc3 | I will try it on my 770 :) | 20:58 |
| lophyte | that'd be nice, give us some feedback | 20:58 |
| b0unc3 | lophyte: sure | 20:58 |
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| lophyte | fysa, do you know if johnx posted a howto? | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lophyte, ITT wiki | 21:00 |
| lophyte | I saw that.. wasn't really a howto...well I guess it was.. lol | 21:00 |
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| Blafasel | Hmm.. airreplay is missing as well. =( | 21:01 |
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| lophyte | ah, he updated it | 21:03 |
| lophyte | hey penguinbait | 21:03 |
| penguinbait | hey! | 21:03 |
| lophyte | finally got a 2gb sd card and got kde up and running :D | 21:04 |
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| * lophyte tries to get the hardware buttons working in debian | 21:07 | |
| nelson | back ordered. sigh. | 21:07 |
| penguinbait | lophyte great | 21:08 |
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| penguinbait | using deb? | 21:08 |
| lophyte | no, tarballs | 21:08 |
| penguinbait | new tarballs out now :) | 21:09 |
| lophyte | bah, gonna make me download and extract them all over? :P | 21:09 |
| lophyte | maybe I should give in and just get a 4gb sd card | 21:09 |
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| lophyte | I could use the 4gb for kde and the 2gb for debian | 21:09 |
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| penguinbait | are you usin n800 or n810 | 21:10 |
| lophyte | 800 | 21:10 |
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| penguinbait | man I love this 810 | 21:10 |
| Blafasel | Hmpf. Okay, aireplay-ng missing, kismet missing. For wardriving fun I guess I actually _need_ to look at the debian option. | 21:10 |
| pupnik | anybody here want to work on the baldur's gate engine port? :/ | 21:12 |
| * pupnik mopes | 21:12 | |
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| Tak | we have source to baldur's gate engine? | 21:13 |
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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Gemrb_Screen1_1280.jpg Tak | 21:14 |
| lophyte | wow, they really jump in price from 2GB to 4GB | 21:14 |
| * Tak head explode | 21:15 | |
| lophyte | n800 supports sdhc right? | 21:15 |
| pupnik | yes | 21:15 |
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| lophyte | ah | 21:16 |
| lophyte | found one | 21:16 |
| lophyte | kingmax 4gb SDHC $19.99 | 21:16 |
| b0unc3 | lophyte: where ? | 21:16 |
| lophyte | my local comp shop | 21:16 |
| Knirch | woot? I haven't been paying attention to the prices of memory cards, that's just insanely cheap :) | 21:16 |
| lophyte | http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=012315&cid=990.218 | 21:16 |
| penguinbait | what is kingmax? | 21:16 |
| lophyte | a company that makes memory | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | newegg has the 4GB for under $10 | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | 8GB is around $30 | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | 16GB is about $80 | 21:17 |
| lophyte | newegg requires shipping and time | 21:17 |
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| lophyte | I can walk into my local comp shop, hehe | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, the price benefit is usually worth it. | 21:17 |
| penguinbait | lophyte is impatient | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially with sales tax. | 21:17 |
| lophyte | and you put shipping on top of the price.. | 21:17 |
| penguinbait | I know the feeling | 21:17 |
| lophyte | it kinda works out | 21:18 |
| penguinbait | I am waiting for my 4gb from newegg right now | 21:18 |
| thp | does 16GB SDHC work on N800? | 21:18 |
| Cptnodegard | yes | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lophyte, no, it usually doesn't. :P | 21:18 |
| Cptnodegard | thp | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Free shipping a lot of the time. | 21:18 |
| lophyte | where do you see under $10? | 21:18 |
| thp | that'd be 32GB maximum, then - right? wow.. | 21:19 |
| lophyte | wait, nm | 21:19 |
| lophyte | looking in the wrong spot | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and 64GB when we have 32GB cards. | 21:19 |
| Cptnodegard | yes thp. plus you could connect a 32gb stick in host mode :p | 21:19 |
| Cptnodegard | if you were really desperate | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or a 1TB hard drive. | 21:19 |
| Cptnodegard | hah good luck finding a portable power source for that...car battery | 21:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Sure, if you're listening to music in the car, why not? | 21:20 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 21:20 |
| thp | sticking SD cards into the n800 is practical, carrying around cables and everyhting is not ;) | 21:20 |
| lophyte | GeneralAntilles, where did you see 4gb for <$10? cheapest I see is $15 | 21:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It was a rebate | 21:20 |
| lophyte | ah. | 21:20 |
| lophyte | oh yeah I see that | 21:20 |
| Cptnodegard | i should find a tiny usb stick and make it directly compatible with n800, no adapters | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211067 | 21:20 |
| lophyte | $9.49 after rebate | 21:20 |
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| VRe | How much does SD-cards waste power when connected? It does not need refreshing like ram does, so I wonder.. | 21:21 |
| lophyte | GeneralAntilles, damn, that same thing is $24 at my local shop :P | 21:21 |
| lophyte | the a-data anyway | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | No free shipping right now | 21:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | So buy bulk! :P | 21:21 |
| * lophyte is impatient, though | 21:21 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I know the feeling. | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just glad video games aren't cheaper online. | 21:22 |
| lophyte | haha | 21:23 |
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| lophyte | huh, weird | 21:25 |
| lophyte | xev doesn't even register hw key presses | 21:25 |
| Tak | pupnik: lack of (even a plan for) multiplayer is kind of disappointing | 21:26 |
| Screaming | Googe sez java on the N8x0 is going to gogogo, Just downloaded johnx's debian boot to try it out. Big mwah to lophyte for the bandwidth and a double "mwah" for johnx when he gets up over there in japan. | 21:26 |
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| thp | are there any repositories where i should try to get my - for example - game .debs into (like is the case with debian and ubuntu) or can i just publish the .deb on the web, what is more appropriate in maemo circles? | 21:27 |
| pupnik | Tak yes. But it's an enormously complex game, and there are a lot of bugs left to quash | 21:28 |
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| Tak | how's the speed? | 21:28 |
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| lophyte | i wonder if there's a kernel module needed to handle the keyboard... | 21:29 |
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| pupnik | worst i've seen is 4-5 fps, generally walking around is around 16-24 | 21:29 |
| Tak | thp: http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html | 21:30 |
| thp | thanks for that link | 21:30 |
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| lophyte | damn, I thought buttons would be easy | 21:32 |
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| unique311 | hellos and vanilla pudding icecream. | 21:35 |
| Tak | pupnik: did openal build out-of-the-box for you? | 21:38 |
| lophyte | I get the feeling we need special kernel modules for sound and buttons | 21:40 |
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| lophyte | penguinbait, no amarok for kde, eh? | 21:43 |
| penguinbait | nope | 21:43 |
| lophyte | that sucks :( | 21:43 |
| lophyte | what's new in the tarballs? | 21:44 |
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| penguinbait | 1 sec | 21:45 |
| Blafasel | Any idea if the N810 uses the same wifi driver as the N770/N800? | 21:45 |
| VRe | I think 770 and 800 have different chip | 21:46 |
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| VRe | 800 and 810 have same | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, I think the chip in the N810 has a different model number | 21:47 |
| Blafasel | According to http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=compatibility_drivers&s=nokia 770 and 800 use the same | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | not sure how different they are, though. | 21:47 |
| Blafasel | GeneralAntilles: Hmm.. Thanks | 21:47 |
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| penguinbait | not the same | 21:53 |
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| penguinbait | freakin ITT is a tablet killer | 21:53 |
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| Tak | particularly the new layout | 21:54 |
| penguinb8 | lophyte | 21:55 |
| penguinb8 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15491 | 21:55 |
| penguinb8 | whats changed | 21:55 |
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| lophyte | penguinb8, nice :) | 22:01 |
| lophyte | I should mirror that too, lol | 22:01 |
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| lophyte | do you need another mirror? | 22:01 |
| lophyte | my server is underused | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bandwidth burning a hole in your pocket, lophyte? :P | 22:02 |
| lophyte | yes :P | 22:02 |
| lophyte | I have 200GB/month and I don't even use 1% of it | 22:03 |
| penguinb8 | I did 150GB between jan1 and jan14 | 22:03 |
| penguinb8 | hehe | 22:03 |
| lophyte | lol nice | 22:03 |
| lophyte | well I can mirror if you want | 22:04 |
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| penguinb8 | I am OK for now, I am looking to move it off to another hosting site, when I have people mirroring, its hard to get changes pushed out | 22:05 |
| penguinb8 | I appreciate the offer though | 22:05 |
| penguinb8 | wow, I am at 287GB since jan 1 | 22:06 |
| lophyte | hehe, ok | 22:06 |
| penguinb8 | who is your hosting through lophyte? | 22:06 |
| lophyte | linode | 22:06 |
| lophyte | http://linode.com/ | 22:06 |
| penguinb8 | thanks, I will check them out | 22:07 |
| penguinb8 | have you been there a while? | 22:07 |
| lophyte | yeah | 22:07 |
| lophyte | great service | 22:07 |
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| lophyte | I want an n810 :( | 22:08 |
| penguinb8 | I am loving my 810 | 22:08 |
| penguinb8 | I have had it about a week | 22:09 |
| lophyte | lucky | 22:09 |
| penguinb8 | It's not luck, its hard work ;) | 22:09 |
| b0unc3 | apt-get -d install tar <- work for someone ? | 22:10 |
| penguinb8 | ok, maybe a little luck | 22:10 |
| penguinb8 | http://penguinbait.com/tar.gz | 22:10 |
| penguinb8 | another tar | 22:10 |
| b0unc3 | penguinb8: gnu tar ? | 22:10 |
| penguinb8 | yes | 22:11 |
| b0unc3 | penguinb8: ok, thank you | 22:11 |
| penguinb8 | np | 22:11 |
| penguinb8 | http://penguinbait.com/bzip2.gz also | 22:11 |
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| pupnik | Tak, just finished a promo picture for GemRB on the tablets http://pupnik.de/GemRB_800x480_XL.jpg | 22:19 |
| Tama^2 | nice | 22:20 |
| hachi | does anyone have problems getting modest to open a second time without rebooting? | 22:22 |
| jeff1f | That | 22:22 |
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| jeff1f | 's really cool | 22:22 |
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| hachi | is that running 18ish fps with the cpu pegged? or does it throttle it? | 22:23 |
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| pupnik | hachi, it pegs the cpu - sucks up all it can | 22:25 |
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| glass | does that gemrb run any games?(and which? | 22:27 |
| Tama^2 | semi on topic question: do we have access to some DMA to copy stuff to (or inside) the framebuffer? | 22:27 |
| pupnik | btw that's running in 800x600 and throwing away the bottom | 22:27 |
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| pupnik | glass: the project needs help! Baldur's Gate 2 is best supported, other bioware games are also being implemented (icewind dale, etc) | 22:29 |
| glass | nice,nice | 22:29 |
| Tak | bioware games always (unnecessarily) eat 100% cpu IME | 22:29 |
| glass | i wish i had time. well. motivation more really | 22:29 |
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| pupnik | Tama^2: you can see mplayer sources for fast framebuffer writes | 22:29 |
| glass | GEM just reminded me of the old gui system | 22:29 |
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| pupnik | hehe yeah the better windows | 22:30 |
| Tama^2 | thanks pupnik , but is it still CPU driven or assisted somehow? | 22:30 |
| * Tama^2 goes to look for the source.. | 22:30 | |
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| pupnik | Tama^2: i'm not qualified to comment. Older versions at least used Xsp pixel doubling to reduce needed bandwidth by 4x. | 22:36 |
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| * lcuk has made it through another day | 22:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo! | 22:38 |
| lcuk | anyone wanna swap jobs. im looking for something where i can lounge on a beach or a skislope and just watch the world go by (but also get paid) | 22:38 |
| czr | hey lcuk | 22:38 |
| lcuk | it got worse this afternoon gen | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | hi cz | 22:38 |
| lcuk | +r | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, we set your boss on you. :P | 22:38 |
| lcuk | no the boss was busy lol - it just got more and more complicated | 22:39 |
| * czr is having fun testing various preseed configs | 22:39 | |
| lcuk | make sure you pull out before its too late. child support is a dog | 22:39 |
| penguinbait | lcuk, if I find two jobs like this, I will let you know about the second one | 22:39 |
| lcuk | i once told my college professor i wanted a job where i could sit around and play all day. | 22:40 |
| lcuk | well, i got that job and have had it for the last few years, but days like today are a pain | 22:41 |
| czr | lcuk, not that kind of preseed :-) | 22:42 |
| czr | automated ubuntu installs (debian uses preseed as well) | 22:42 |
| czr | it's quite crappy compared to kickstart, but still. | 22:42 |
| czr | my day started at 8AM today and is still going on strong (10:43PM here). | 22:43 |
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| * czr considers cooking some lunch at last | 22:43 | |
| lcuk | at least you sound like you are at home | 22:44 |
| * mgedmin had lunch before coming in to work today at 6 PM | 22:44 | |
| Tak | you got breakfast?! lucky bastard | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | that preseed sounds like a reasonable thing to do. does it mean you just plop the cd in and let it do its stuff | 22:45 |
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| lcuk | this vmware image i have , i gather i am ok to install a different ide in it and it wont get lost when i restart it will it (unless of course i restore from the zip) | 22:48 |
| czr | lcuk, you are free to install a different ide | 22:49 |
| czr | although scsi would be better | 22:49 |
| Tak | boo | 22:50 |
| czr | the emulation layer is lighter with the scsi emu-driver. | 22:50 |
| kala | ugh. booting from MMC failed, tried to boot from flash and copy the flash to MMC, this failed in the middle and now I cannot boot from flash anymore either. :( | 22:50 |
| czr | lcuk, actually preseed that I'm doing means booting a PC, pressing F12, and going to get some coffee while the system installs everything and reboots into a clean login manager. | 22:50 |
| czr | lcuk, no CDs involved. that'd be just silly. | 22:51 |
| czr | Tak, no breakfast :-). unless you count a cup of green tea (drunk, not eaten) as breakfast :-) | 22:51 |
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| pupnik | if anybody visits the twin cities, one place to stop is 'The Tea Source' - one of the best tea shops in n. america | 22:52 |
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| Tak | czr: it would be interesting to see somebody eat a cup of green tea | 22:53 |
| czr | hmm. interestingly enough, the preseed almost works. just asked about X resolution, but otherway no involvement.. | 22:53 |
| czr | Tak, especially if the cup wasn't paper :-) | 22:53 |
| czr | but one never knows if someone here takes things too literally :-) | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tak, freeze it. | 22:54 |
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| Tak | Freeze it and then cut it, and don't question me again! | 22:54 |
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| lophyte | is there not a simple usbnet changer app for os2008? | 22:59 |
| penguinbait | I eat cups of green tea all the time, kinda dry though | 23:00 |
| penguinbait | smoking green tea, woohoo | 23:00 |
| darkip | you "eat" cups of tea? | 23:00 |
| Tak | porcelain? | 23:01 |
| penguinbait | they are made of sugar | 23:01 |
| penguinbait | ?? | 23:02 |
| darkip | sounds yum... | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | how do i stop "find" from listing each folder its searched (but still list the results) | 23:23 |
| penguinbait | find . -type f | 23:24 |
| penguinbait | find . -type l | 23:24 |
| penguinbait | files and links, no dirs | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | but still recursive? | 23:25 |
| penguinbait | yes | 23:25 |
| penguinbait | you want only files or only dir's | 23:26 |
| penguinbait | ? | 23:26 |
| czr | or just find . -not -type d | 23:26 |
| lcuk | im trying to find xstream | 23:26 |
| lcuk | any of files or folders | 23:26 |
| lcuk | but dont want to list all the folders its passed through | 23:26 |
| penguinbait | find . -name xstre* | 23:26 |
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| czr | better find . -iname "*xtrea*" | 23:27 |
| penguinbait | iname ? | 23:27 |
| czr | and -type f in the end if you just want to list real files and not matching directory names | 23:27 |
| czr | case insensitive match penguinbait | 23:27 |
| lcuk | thanks :) - id got as far as: find / xstream -type f | 23:27 |
| penguinbait | ah | 23:27 |
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| lcuk | actually, the iname param doesnt seem to work | 23:29 |
| lcuk | name does though i think | 23:29 |
| lophyte | nice | 23:29 |
| lophyte | almost got buttons working in debian | 23:29 |
| czr | lcuk, you're running it on the device? it has a crippled version of find (busybox version) | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | yes, on the device | 23:30 |
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| penguinbait | find . -name xstream | 23:31 |
| penguinbait | find . | grep -i xstream | 23:32 |
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| lcuk | cool thanks :) (sorry mad dash was required) | 23:34 |
| lcuk | is the "." current directory? | 23:34 |
| lcuk | and i gather just replacing with / will run from base of the tree | 23:35 |
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| penguinbait | yes | 23:35 |
| penguinbait | find / -name xstream | 23:35 |
| penguinbait | find /usr -name xstream | 23:35 |
| penguinbait | or wherever | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | well as helpful as you have been (this will be most useful for other things) it still didnt find what i wanted.. | 23:36 |
| lophyte | this should just be a matter of setting up an Xmodmap... | 23:36 |
| lcuk | gstreamer isnt found anywhere :( | 23:36 |
| * lcuk goes and tries another approach | 23:36 | |
| lcuk | are the linux user groups noobie friendly? | 23:39 |
| jsmith | lcuk: Every one I've ever been to has been | 23:39 |
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| czr | very much so methinks | 23:39 |
| lophyte | errghh.. no, its not as simple as an Xmodmap | 23:39 |
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| lcuk | good, then i think i shall go to my next local one and see what happens :) | 23:40 |
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| jsmith | lcuk: Cool... where are you located, may I ask? | 23:41 |
| lcuk | manchester - ive got a good linux friendly university nearby :) | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | england.. | 23:42 |
| jsmith | Nice... | 23:43 |
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| penguinbait | lophyte what are you doing,ah er trying to do? | 23:43 |
| lophyte | get the hardware buttons working in Debian on my n800 | 23:44 |
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| penguinbait | what is windowmanager? | 23:44 |
| lophyte | xfce | 23:44 |
| lophyte | its not the wm though... X isn't configured properly | 23:44 |
| lophyte | xev doesn't even pick up the keycodes | 23:44 |
| penguinbait | ow! | 23:44 |
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| lophyte | 'showkey' shows them though | 23:45 |
| lophyte | I've got all the keycodes | 23:45 |
| lophyte | I just need to configure X to see them | 23:45 |
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| penguinbait | XFCE is not a awindow manager though | 23:46 |
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| penguinbait | I am wondering what window manager they used? | 23:47 |
| fysa | xfwm4 | 23:47 |
| fysa | is for xfce | 23:47 |
| penguinbait | I used openbox,with xfce, all shortcuts were done through openbox | 23:48 |
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| fysa | ah | 23:48 |
| penguinbait | so it is xfwm4? | 23:48 |
| lophyte | yeah | 23:49 |
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| penguinbait | where can I find some info about that project? | 23:50 |
| penguinbait | not xfce, debian on tablet? | 23:50 |
| lophyte | http://internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian | 23:50 |
| penguinbait | thanks | 23:50 |
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| lophyte | I wonder if you have to use Xomap instead of Xorg | 23:53 |
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| lophyte | oh wait | 23:54 |
| lophyte | it is using Xomap | 23:54 |
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| * lcuk is now jealous about other linux user groups (too far to visit) | 23:56 | |
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| lcuk | the manchester one is on uni grounds: no beer. the london one is in a pub | 23:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The wonders of the internet. ;) | 23:57 |
| lcuk | they have taken free as in beer to the extreme and damn it it should be free WITH beer | 23:58 |
| darkip | + free beer ;) | 23:59 |
| lcuk | +hookers + black jack | 23:59 |
| penguinbait | quim said my tablet was free as in beer, how do I get the free beer? | 23:59 |
| darkip | i don't know. but i want it. | 23:59 |
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