IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2008-01-17

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ScreamingThanx to ThomasM, earlier tonight, for the idea. I finally got round to making a modified spanish .vkb file. It gives back the CapsLock on the vkbd, cos it has upper case where it should have lower and vice-versa. Along with ][{} and the few spanish keys I ever actually need in spain..(çñ¡¿).00:11
lcukthanks pup00:13
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Takso close: main.c:(.text+0x109c): undefined reference to `g_object_ref_sink'00:21
Mikhoold version of gtk?00:22
Mikhocheck when the funcion first became available00:22
Takold version of glib AND gtk00:22
Mikhowell, just ref and then sink00:22
Screamingxml source is in Put it in a file eses.xml the in scratchbox gen_vkb eses.xml. Copy es_ES.vjb to /home/share/keyboards sellect spanish as you  second language and enjoy.00:23
TakI don't care when it became available; I need to work around it00:23
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MikhoTak, first ref and then sink00:23
Mikhothat is g_object_ref and then g_object_sink i think00:23
* Tak try00:23
Mikhohope it works00:24
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infobotScreaming meant: xml source is in Put it in a file eses.xml the in scratchbox gen_vkb eses.xml. Copy es_ES.vkb to /home/share/keyboards sellect spanish as you  second language and enjoy.00:24
TakScreaming meant: xml source is in Put it in a file eses.xml the in scratchbox gen_vkb eses.xml. Copy es_ES.vkb to /home/share/keyboards sellect spanish as you  second language and enjoy.00:24
ScreamingTnx Tak. dead right00:24
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Screaminggnite everybody00:26
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Takmeh, it's in the code generator...00:27
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lcukthe wifi in the 810... there is no way it will connect via an outside signal is there?00:49
Tama^2what do you mean00:50
lcuki cant get it enabling itself with a signal from my desktop can it00:51
johnxah, you want to talk to it over USB and tell it to connect by wifi?00:52
johnxor am I really confused?00:52
Tama^2lcuk is confusing ;-P00:52
lcukalmost, but there is no direct connect connection00:52
lcukno usb plugged in00:53
lcuki am wondering if my battery drained because perhaps the wifi was waking up00:53
* lcuk confuses himself sometimes but gets there in the end00:54
lcukit all makes sense when i think i00:54
Tama^2wifi if it's enabled (i.e. not in offline mode) will search for APs regularly00:54
johnxmy guesses in order: an app that was running in the background waking up often -or- an app that crashed and pegged the CPU at 100% -or- something holding a connection open and connected00:54
lcukconnection disconnected manually - i make sure i do.  to connect it asks me which connection to use (I have 2 setup: work and home)00:55
johnxright, but when it is showing the "which connection" window it is actively scanning for wifi and soaking up lots of power00:55
Tama^2so probably it was something else that drained your battery00:55
johnxbetter to go to offline mode00:56
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lcukyer, but i noticed there was a "connect automatically: WLAN networks" option, but a search interval of never00:56
johnxwhen the "which connection" window is showing it is using up more power than being connected to wifi with a good signal00:56
lcukso - if it was identifying a hotspot but displaying the connection selecter it could be using more power00:57
Tama^2yes I concur xD00:58
johnxbecause it rescans constantly for other access points00:58
lcuki think i will in future - im just used to being able to put it on standby easily00:58
lcukfollowup then: is there anyway i can tell the device to go into offline mode when i slide the lock screen?00:58
johnxno idea00:59
* johnx has an n80000:59
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lcukor would that require devine (nokia bugfix) intervention00:59
lcukhow do you lock your device?00:59
johnxclick power, menu shows up, click center of dpad for "lock screen"01:01
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johnxusually when I go to sleep I leave it connected to wifi and hooked up to the charger01:03
lcuk... on 810 that would require either getting the pen out (fat fingers) or sliding the keyboard and blinding myself01:03
alteregoSomething wrong with the slide lock?01:03
alteregoThat's how I do it.01:03
lcuksince im only putting it down because im drifting off to sleep to have to wake up to lock it or plug it in seems silly01:03
lcukyer wifi connects01:04
lcuki think01:04
lcukive set all the wifi options to most conservative (including its now disconnected even though I have an open SCP connection running)01:05
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johnxlcuk, do you have it set to check mail every n minutes?01:05
lcuk(*) ding, ill just put keepalives in the CSP at this end01:06
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lcuknot configured mail - use gmail on the web01:06
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ph|berdamnit.. anyone have a gnapplet.sis for symbian 60 3rd ?01:13
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jbowesanyone know of someone i can talk to about my discount code? the canadian store customer service people are clueless and rude.01:13
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uEjbowes - Since it seems that the US discount code doesn't work either, you may just have to be patient.01:20
jbowesuE: oh, my code worked. but the session timed out before i could finish, and now it no longer works :/01:20
uESux, I know. But Nokia has extended the discount code to July. So you are probably better off taking your 150CAD and parking it in a bank account.01:21
uEjbowes - is Canada using letstalk? Or is it some other outfit?01:22
uEjbowes - When I had trouble the issue was that letstalk could not process that discount code when other items were in the cart. It had to be N800 only.01:23
jbowesuE: i think its their own thing01:23
uEjbowes - OK, just keep bugging them until they fix it.01:24
jbowesuE: heh. good advice. i better pour a stiff drink first, i think01:24
uEjbowes - the thing I learned was that the first line of management did not have the ability to redo the discount code.01:26
uEjbowes - they had to go farther up. And I am pretty sure they had to verify with the tablet group that I was on the discount code list01:27
uEjbowes - I got lucky and got a customer service rep who was willing to do the leg work for that straight off.01:28
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uEjbowes - And you and all of your non-US comrades suck. Because I am still waiting to order my N810.01:30
jbowesvery true. some people don't even have the chance to mess up their order yet.01:31
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DaniloCesarmaemo SDK works on a 64bits machine?01:56
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DaniloCesar* ubuntu gutsy01:57
uEDaniloCesar - Not that I know of.01:58
johnxprobably, only in a 32-bit chroot01:59
uEThat usually doesn't stop people since 32-bit chroots are readily available in most distros01:59
DaniloCesarok, thanks02:00
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LinuxCodeif any of you fellas are using a Belkin USB Bluettoth device namedly F8T012...blacklist pegasus kernel module04:13
LinuxCodeit loads and blocks the device04:13
LinuxCode echo "blacklist pegasus" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist04:13
LinuxCodefixes that04:14
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blackmadis there an easy way to change the volume from the command line in maemo (770)??05:02
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LinuxCodeis there a calendar app ?05:38
LinuxCodefor n810 ?05:38
johnxgpe-calendar and pimlico dates05:38
LinuxCodesaw this one guys devs a syncevolution thing05:38
LinuxCodek lets see05:39
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dospodsup peeps05:39
LinuxCodejohn got a repo mate ?05:39
LinuxCodegoogling shows a maze of comments05:40
* LinuxCode checks gronmayers site05:40
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LinuxCodehope this cobb repo is up2date05:44
rm_youjohnx: WISH ME LUCK05:45
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johnxrm_you, good luck!05:45
johnxrm_you, what are you doing?05:45
rm_youbrb (hopefully)05:45
LinuxCodeyeh good luck05:45
LinuxCodewhatever it is...05:45
LinuxCodehope it works05:46
rm_youevery time i install dmraid/mdadm on a FRESH gutsy install, it breaks it and kicks me to initramfs >_>05:46
johnxsounds exciting05:46
rm_youwherein I *can* mount /dev/md0 :P05:46
rm_youbut not my root drive >_<05:46
rm_youi think it's an update-initfs problem...05:46
rm_youthough no idea really :P05:46
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LinuxCodeohh testing maemo repo05:47
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LinuxCodewow evince!05:55
* LinuxCode goes install mad05:55
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Gurneyany idea when canola2 will be running in the n770?06:00
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LinuxCodeGurney, the beta is on one of the reps06:13
LinuxCodei assume test06:13
LinuxCodefor n81006:13
Gurneytest for n810 has a beta that works on the 770? that would be quite strange...06:15
Gurneychecking into it anyway :)06:15
LinuxCodenot sure it would06:16
LinuxCodeits there though06:16
LinuxCodeprobably ed up with dep issues mind06:16
Gurneyhmm good point06:17
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dospodany1know when mame might be a tad more playable06:55
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targaryenI wish Kagu could support the partial transparency aspect of PNG07:27
johnxand I wish ARM emulation was faster :/07:30
GeneralAntillesI wish I had a million dollars.07:30
johnxyeah, that'd be nice too07:31
johnxreally, with a million dollars I could probably figure out a way to get faster ARM emulation...07:32
GeneralAntillesScrew faster emulation07:32
GeneralAntillesGimme faster CPUs!07:32
johnxthat's what I was thinking really :)07:33
johnxI didn't say I cared how efficient it was, just faster07:33
johnxstill, compiling in qemu on an Athon 64 is much nicer than on a Zaurus07:33
GeneralAntillesHeck, why not just weld an ARM CPU to your mobo with that kind of money. ;)07:33
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johnxbecause I think once you get into the faster Intel and AMD processors they can probably emulate an ARM processor faster than any ARM could run in reality :)07:34
GeneralAntillesWell, if you dropped the power and heat ceilings on the ARM CPU . . .07:35
LinuxCodemoney money ? where ?07:35
GeneralAntillesThat dark alley over there, LinuxCode.07:35
LinuxCodeI dont want to be touched by you mate07:35
LinuxCodeIm innocent07:35
LinuxCodeI want it to stay that way07:36
LinuxCodemeh the x terminal just died on me haha07:36
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* czr fixes derf's timezone08:20
johnxah the wonders of IRC time :)08:20
LinuxCodehey czr08:21
LinuxCode6:21 am08:21
LinuxCodethe joys of being up all night lol08:21
czrheh. I managed finally to break the jetlag \o/08:22
LinuxCodeany of you got a good gpesyncd help/how to ?08:22
czrI guess sleeping for only 1.5 hours last night did the trick08:22
LinuxCodeI checked opensync's site08:22
LinuxCodeczr, lol08:22
czrit was really annoying for many days already now.08:22
czrI woke up at about the time when all people were already leaving the office08:23
LinuxCodeI know the feeling08:23
LinuxCodebut with me its always self-inflicted08:23
czrI don't have the luxury unfortunately :-)08:23
LinuxCodeinstalled gpe08:25
LinuxCodeI like08:25
LinuxCodeexactly what the basic N810 default was missing08:25
LinuxCodea to do list, calendar app, etc.. thats syncable08:25
LinuxCodeif I can get the sync to work that is08:25
czrI've yet to play with gpe though08:26
czrmaybe I will eventually08:26
LinuxCodeI quite happy today08:26
LinuxCodedid all that + found the issue why my usb bluetooth stick wouldnt work08:26
LinuxCodeso fixed that too08:26
czrthe stick was too dirty?08:27
czrit sent the wrong color teeth over the air?08:27
LinuxCodeno.... a kernel module was loaded which was unrelated...and blocked the usb bt module from working08:27
LinuxCodehad to blacklist it08:27
czroh, that's nice :-)08:27
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LinuxCodemade a post on the web... on that linuxcompatability site08:27
LinuxCodeso other people could pick that up08:28
LinuxCodesince google did nothing for me08:28
czrgood good.08:28
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LinuxCodethe N8x0 need a iptables frontend08:35
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tank-manwhy is that?08:42
LinuxCodebecause the default policies are set to accept08:42
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LinuxCodeI know blassey08:45
LinuxCodeneeds compiling08:45
LinuxCodeI havent got the sdk up yet08:45
LinuxCodeneed to learn deb package management08:45
LinuxCodebtw anyone have a good how to on it ?08:45
LinuxCodeim only familiar with spec files08:45
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melmothLinuxCode: it s a bit more complicate than a .spec files.08:48
LinuxCodeit is ?08:48
melmothnot _that much_ :)08:49
LinuxCodedoes it use macros too ?08:49
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melmothmay be, never meet any, nor do i have a ~/.debmacro of some sort.08:49
LinuxCodethanks mate08:50
* LinuxCode bookmarks08:50
melmoththat s just a beginning :)08:50
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LinuxCodemelmoth, no kidding haha08:50
LinuxCodeIm already spending way too much of my time on this08:50
melmothLinuxCode: is your app in python ? becuase there s some easy way to packaeg python08:50
LinuxCodeno app mate..08:51
LinuxCodebut I want to compile stuff for N81008:51
LinuxCodeand package stuff08:51
LinuxCodeim looking at amsn atm08:51
LinuxCodeneeds tcl08:51
LinuxCodeand tkinter08:51
johnxyou should steal most of Debian's package for that :)08:52
johnxthen you'll just have a couple little things to fix, and all the deps will be laid out for you08:52
johnxLinuxCode, <- check there first before making your own package08:52
melmothMost library, i just "apt-get source" in debian or ubuntu, then try a "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" in scratchbox08:52
LinuxCodejohn ok08:53
johnxif it needs deps try using mud-builder08:53
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LinuxCodejohnx, fix stuff like what ?08:54
LinuxCodewhat goes wrong usuall ?08:54
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johnxdependencies usually08:55
LinuxCodeI can live with that08:56
LinuxCodeI was getting worried there for a moment08:56
johnxmmm...and simple stuff in postinst scripts08:56
czr"normally small pink dragons come from the device and eat the left pinky of the developer who is porting the software"08:56
czrthis is what you expected? ;-)08:56
LinuxCodeId prefer hot bunnies mate08:57
LinuxCodecan I have my wish ?08:57
czrhot bunnies are reserved for windows developers. they need them.08:57
LinuxCodeNO THATS A LIE08:58
LinuxCodeyou must be BILL GATES08:58
czrI never lie08:58
czrI might embellish "some"08:58
czrwhat I meant was08:58
czrthat their life is so bleak anyway08:58
* LinuxCode pokes czr08:58
czrthat the hot bunnies are the only things that keep them going08:58
LinuxCodemight have a point there08:58
LinuxCodethey can have the semi-hot bunnies08:58
* czr turns into a silly two-plane C64 sprite and starts bouncing around08:59
czrdamn you pokers!08:59
LinuxCodesemi-hot bunnies for semi-useful product08:59
czrsemi as in after the requisite number of beers kind of semi?08:59
* johnx is confused O_o09:00
LinuxCodejohnx, me too...however im over tired09:00
LinuxCodeIm confusing myself lol09:00
johnxah, so I'm in good company :D09:00
LinuxCodeyou guys know what gpesynd uses ?09:04
LinuxCodesyncml ?09:04
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LinuxCodesearched for opensync packages09:05
LoCusFit seems that there's no bluetooth synchronization yet09:06
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LinuxCodewii it works09:08
LinuxCodenow whats the pass09:08
* czr leaves for office. later guys & girls & bunnies09:09
LinuxCodelater mate09:09
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LinuxCodeanyone know where the pass is set for gpe ?09:11
Cptn-N800No idea09:12
Cptn-N800But gpe related q: the import feature in gpe calendar, what file fomat does it take?09:13
LinuxCodevc files09:14
Cptn-N800Want to try to make it synch with the school schedule online somehow09:14
Cptn-N800Prob lost cause09:14
Cptn-N800Vc? Isnt that contacts?09:14
LinuxCodevcf vct etc..09:14
LinuxCodevcards,vevent etc..09:14
Cptn-N800The calendar, not gpe contacs09:14
LinuxCodevecent i believe09:15
LinuxCodetheres vtodo too09:15
johnxI thought it could cope with ical/vcal stuff too09:16
johnxnot 100% sure though09:16
LinuxCodeohh it uses ssh ?!?!09:17
LinuxCodenow whats my username and pass though lol09:17
LinuxCodeuser lol09:18
LinuxCodehow original09:18
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LinuxCodeyeh its asking me for it09:21
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Cptn-N800School ftw09:27
johnxa little overkill?09:28
Cptn-N800Nah ^_^ good to be a geek09:28
LinuxCodeCptn-N800, you plugged a keybaord in ?09:29
LinuxCodethats cool09:29
LinuxCodedid ya have to set it into host mode ?09:29
Cptn-N800Linuxcode, yes09:29
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Cptn-N800Made a auto-host cable09:29
LinuxCodeits syncing guys09:30
Cptn-N800And bought a small KB. Waiting for  iGo09:30
LinuxCodeI hope setting a password doesnt lock me ouy09:30
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LinuxCodeCptn-N800, sounds nice09:31
LinuxCodecould use a bt keybaord09:31
Cptn-N800Not sure about battery drain yet09:31
LinuxCodeprobably draw as much power09:31
Cptn-N800Igo is bt, ordered one the other day. Think bt uses less than usb, has its own power09:31
LinuxCodeI have the funny feeling this wlan AP is messed up09:31
LinuxCodelet me know how it goes09:31
Cptn-N800Also have a 16GB card on the way ^^ 24gb here i come09:32
LinuxCodebut then I have got a N81009:32
LinuxCode16GB ?!?!09:32
Cptn-N800Sdhc card09:32
Cptn-N800+ 8 i got now09:32
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LinuxCodenoooooo sync failed09:32
Cptn-N800= 2409:32
LinuxCodeCptn-N800, ohh you mean 3* 8gb ?09:33
LinuxCodeor a 16Gb single ?09:33
Cptn-N80016gb + 8gb09:33
LinuxCodeand 16GB works ?09:33
LinuxCodeI thought they said 8GB was max ?09:33
Cptn-N80016gb sdhc is 75 dollars shipped on newegg, know a guy in the us09:33
Cptn-N800Nah 16gb adata works09:34
Cptn-N800Says itt09:34
LinuxCode75 usd!09:34
LinuxCodeget him to send too09:34
LinuxCodeI buy it off you09:34
Cptn-N800Guess ill find out if it wokrs09:34
LinuxCodeyay it synced09:34
LinuxCodeI think09:34
LinuxCodesaus conflicts solved09:34
Cptn-N800Paid 100 bucks all in all, covering shipping here09:35
* LinuxCode dances09:35
* LinuxCode grooves left and right09:35
Cptn-N80016gb cards arent tht expensiveother places either09:35
LinuxCodeyou dont know the UK mate09:36
LinuxCodeaka rip off Britain09:36
Cptn-N800I live in norway, thats worse09:36
Cptn-N800Did u see the 18 gbp igo deal?09:37
LinuxCodeno ?09:37
LinuxCodeshow me09:37
LinuxCodelol09:37, igo stowaway bt KB for 18 gbp09:37
* LinuxCode looks09:38
Cptn-N800   60GBP shipped for 16gb sdhc...notthat bad :P09:38
LinuxCodewow thats where I got my N810 from09:39
LinuxCodebut will it work09:39
LinuxCodeI let you find out mate09:39
LinuxCodeif thats ok09:39
LinuxCodelet me know09:39
LinuxCodeId appreciate it09:39
Cptn-N800Well the adaa (newegg) might work even if that dont09:39
GeneralAntillesI've got an adata 16GB09:39
GeneralAntillesworks great09:39
LinuxCodeI am willing to take that chance09:40
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, seriously ?09:40 branded SDHC?09:40
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GeneralAntillesAn 8GB and a 16GB09:40
LinuxCodewell if they are sdhc capable09:40
LinuxCodeonly issue i see is the fs09:40
Cptn-N800Sdhc is sdhc, i think09:40
GeneralAntillesThe Nokia or the card?09:40
LinuxCodehowever fat16 goes up to 32gb or ?09:40
GeneralAntillesSD only goes up to 4GB09:40
Cptn-N800Yes 3209:40
GeneralAntilles2GB in the spec09:40
LinuxCodeshould be ok then09:41
GeneralAntillesSDHC goes up to 2048GB09:41
Cptn-N800I use a 4gb sd, not sdhc, works09:41
LinuxCodeN810 supports it09:41
GeneralAntillesIf it's over 4GB it's SDHc.09:41
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LinuxCodemeh its a SD card09:41
LinuxCodefull size ;-|09:41
Cptn-N800N810's 10gb lmit (ATM) is the worst dealbreaker ever09:41
LinuxCodeN810 cant handle that09:41
GeneralAntillesminiSD sucks09:42
GeneralAntillesthusly, the N810 sucks.09:42
GeneralAntillesI'm going to be sad when they announce the N900 with a single MiniSD slot.09:42
Cptn-N800And the 810 kb is to small to be useful >.>09:42
LinuxCodeagreed..sadly ;-[09:42
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LinuxCodethe kb is ok actually09:43
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LinuxCodeI was amazed09:43
GeneralAntillesThey N800's thumbboard works great for me.09:43
Cptn-N800Me tooo, and i got this kb for school and soon a iGo09:43
LinuxCodeif you get the stand out09:43
LinuxCodeit wont slip out easy either09:43
Cptn-N800810 with 4 sdhc slots instead of kb ^^09:44
GeneralAntillesI could go for an N900 with twin miniSD slots.09:44
GeneralAntillesBut a single slot is unacceptable.09:45
Cptn-N800Minisd isnt above 6gb atm i think09:45
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LinuxCodeim well chuffed now09:46
LinuxCodeCptn-N800, 8gb09:46
LinuxCodeim getting one09:46
GeneralAntilles16GB miniSD cards have been announced.09:46
LinuxCodehmm but how much ... ?09:47
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LinuxCodeas long as I can take a few ebooks with me im ok09:47
Cptn-N800Microsdhc andadapter is only way of 8gb09:48
Cptn-N800Books is what psp is for D09:48
johnxbut the N8x0 has such a nice high res screen09:48
GeneralAntillesThe bad part is that the OMAP3430 can do 720p09:48
LinuxCodepsp ?09:48
GeneralAntillesIf they saddle that with no storage . . .09:48
LinuxCodejohnx, same as N800 or ?09:49
LinuxCodesorry yeh09:49
LinuxCodeI looked at the n80009:49
Cptn-N800Psp + windshield mount on nightstand + wired remote is the best book ever09:49
LinuxCodewas well impressed09:49
LinuxCodeportable play station ?09:49
johnxGeneralAntilles, then you still won't have the guts to decode it?09:49
johnxHD video on an ARM?09:50
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Cptn-N800Playstaion portabl e= PSP09:50
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LinuxCodeCptn-N800, k09:50
LinuxCodejust checking09:50
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GeneralAntillesYeah, HD on an ARM.09:51
GeneralAntillesNo LCD controller bottleneck, either.09:51
LinuxCodemorning lcuk09:51
johnxyeah, somehow I don't see it happening09:51
GeneralAntillesWhy not?09:51
johnxCPU power09:51
Cptn-N800Psp book setup:
derfI mean, just the memory bandwidth alone.09:52
GeneralAntillesUh, that's why the OMAP3 supports 720p09:52
johnxa 1st gen P4 @ 2.0GHz has big issues with HD video in anything but MPEG2 format09:52
GeneralAntillesIt's a SoC, johnx.09:52
GeneralAntillesThere's a hardware decoder on there. :)09:53
johnxI'll be somewhat surprised if there's a good way to utilize that under Linux09:54
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johnxI'll believe it when I see it, but I'm not holding my breath09:54
LinuxCodemeh cant one lock the applets on a n810 ?09:55
GeneralAntillesWell, the only reason we don't have it with the OMAP2420 NOW is because of the groady LCD controller.09:55
GeneralAntillesNo, LinuxCode.09:55
GeneralAntillesThere's a bug on bugzilla.09:55
GeneralAntillesGo vote it.09:55
LinuxCodethat sucks09:55
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johnxGeneralAntilles, the LCD controller is the most obvious bottleneck, but 640x480 is pushing the decoding ability of the ARM core09:56
Cptn-N800Probems with curious firneds using your n810?09:56
GeneralAntillesThat's why there's a hardware decoder. . . .09:56
GeneralAntillesSee that09:56
johnxyeah, I believe you09:57
dpb_hrmm.. the bar that shows abc/fn in n810 wastes quite a lot of space...09:57
GeneralAntillesCptn-N800, black on white? <_<09:57
johnxjust like my geforce 6600 supports hardware decoding...except oh, wait nvidia never got around to it for Linux.09:57
GeneralAntillesMontaVista has drivers for the OMAP stuff.09:58
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jkyronot open though09:58
GeneralAntillesWhich is why Nokia is going to pay for them for us. ;)09:58
dpb_and what a gerat xterm this has.. you can change the background colour, but not the foreground... =)09:58
GeneralAntillesThere's no way they wont.09:58
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GeneralAntillesCan, too, dpb_.09:58
GeneralAntillesLook at the settings.09:59
dpb_not from the settings09:59
GeneralAntillesYes you can.09:59
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dpb_there's only background there09:59
Cptn-N800Generalantilles, black on white what?09:59
johnxGeneralAntilles, don't pin hopes on Nokia licensing things for us or being smart about open source09:59
GeneralAntillesdpb_, look a little closer.09:59
GeneralAntillesText on the PSP, Cptn-N800.09:59
dpb_i just looked.09:59
GeneralAntillesLook a little harder . . . .09:59
Cptn-N800Ah, yes10:00
GeneralAntillesMaybe tap a button or two.10:00
johnxdpb_, it's there10:00
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Cptn-N800What with that?10:00
dpb_not on mine.10:00
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inzdpb_, did you tap a button or two?10:00
GeneralAntillesdpb_, c'mon, really.10:00
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Cptn-N800Can you change the background and text color of gpe summary?10:01
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dpb_oh, it's in the FONTS setting, should have just said so...10:03
inzdpb, where's the fun in that?10:03
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wwphi there10:04
wwpany diffutils package for OS2008?10:04
LinuxCodeis summary the timesheet ?10:04
GeneralAntillesNow you've learned to check settings more thoroughly in the future, dpb_. ;)10:04
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dpb_naw. :P10:05
wwpLinuxCode: gronmayer is already in my sources list, can't find diffutils10:06
LinuxCodeguess not then ;-]10:06
wwpI'm stuck w/ the application manager, in which every download will fail10:07
wwpthe funniest thing is that packages installation works in command-line using apt-get10:07
wwpbut I don't know how to see a list of available packages10:07
LinuxCodedpkg -l10:07
LinuxCodeohh available ?10:07
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wwphi GeneralAntilles (I remember you from the forums)10:08
wwpyes, a list of avail. packages like in the app manager10:08
* LinuxCode is more a yum person10:08
LinuxCodecant recall the other10:08
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LinuxCodeapt-cache something10:08
LinuxCodei assume10:08
wwpgood idea to look at the logs10:08
wwpthe d/l fetch failed 'cause mmc2 is in R-O mode10:09
wwpholy shit10:09
GeneralAntillesThere you go.10:09
GeneralAntillesIt's corrupted10:09
GeneralAntillesformat it.10:09
wwpthis reminds me smth from the forum too!10:09
wwpcorrupted? wow.10:09
wwpwould be nice to know what corrupted it10:09
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GeneralAntillesCould be anything10:10
wwpor this might happen again and again, no?10:10
GeneralAntillesDo you put it in a card reader?10:10
GeneralAntillesOr plug in via USB?10:10
LinuxCodeand forget to unmount ?10:10
GeneralAntillesHas something crashed during a write?10:10
GeneralAntillesLinuxCode, you can corrupt it even when it's unmounted.10:10
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wwpmmc2 is the internal one10:10
LinuxCodeim sure10:10
wwpand it's N81010:10
GeneralAntillesAh, right.10:10
LinuxCodeohh dear10:10
GeneralAntillesSomething crashed during a write, then.10:11
wwpbut, mount -o remount,rw /media/mmc2 did it10:11
GeneralAntillesCard readers have a buffer10:11
GeneralAntillesso even if it's no longer mounted by the OS10:11
GeneralAntillesthe card reader may still be writing10:11
wwppossible, I had several app crashing once10:11
LinuxCodedidnt know that10:11
wwpbut the device rebooted several time since10:11
wwpin the n810, mmc2 is a card??10:12
GeneralAntillesIf the hardware watchdog steps in, that could've done it, too.10:12
GeneralAntillesMore or less, wwp.10:12
wwpahh now, it works in the app manager!10:12
GeneralAntillesIt's just soldered to the board rather than being in its own little plastic case.10:12
wwpw/ just a remount10:12
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GeneralAntillesWhich is a really stupid plan to me considering the life of flash memory.10:13
wwpI'll reboot to see if mmc2 is always mounted as ro at startup10:13
wwpthis app manager is not smart, it allows installing duplicates in sources list ;)10:14
wwpGeneralAntilles: true10:14
wwpI've already plugged a mmc1 ;)10:14
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, agreed10:14
wwpwhich is not compliant to the specs (it's a miniSD 4GB)10:14
wwpworks well10:14
LinuxCodeit supports 8 gb10:14
LinuxCodesome sites claim 1010:15
wwpno, SDHC is up to 8GB10:15
wwpSD is up to 2GB according to n810 specs10:15
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LinuxCodenot mini sd10:15
GeneralAntillesSDHC is up to 2048GB10:15
wwpall sizes might work, I presume10:15
johnxheh...don't they let you swap to the internal memory, on an N810?10:15
GeneralAntillesSD spec says 2GB10:15
LinuxCodejohnx, yes mate10:15
GeneralAntillesThere are tons of 4GB SD cards, though.10:15
wwpas usually, nokia says it's up to N because at the time they edit the specs, there's nothing more than N10:15
inzjohnx, I wouldn't do that10:15
GeneralAntillesYeah, johnx, but ITOS's vm isn't very swappy.10:16
LinuxCodejohnx, youcan enable it10:16
GeneralAntillesSwapping has been around since the 770 days10:16
GeneralAntillesand I've yet to burn out a card10:16
inzjohnx, swapping on a non-replaceable flash doesn't sound too nice10:16
wwphm, my mmc2 always mounts as ro, strange10:16
inzGeneral, sure, it wears out slowly, but it does10:17
GeneralAntillesIt's corrupted, wwp.10:17
GeneralAntillesBalancing the life of the device against the life of the flash, with the multitasking gains . . .10:17
wwp[   50.750000] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev mmcblk1p1)10:18
wwp[   50.750000]     fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0)10:18
wwp[   50.750000]     File system has been set read-only10:18
wwp[   51.437500] JFFS2 warning: (1259) jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary, padsize = -78610:18
wwpnice :)10:18
wwparen't there fat tools to fix fats?10:19
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wwplike fsck.vfat10:19
wwpahh yes10:20
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sgbirchI owned the N800 for just over a year, in all that time not a single package was updated.  Were the packages being updated without my knowledge or does Nokia just not use the apt mechanism?10:27
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GeneralAntillessgbirch, uh, OS updates are done through FIASCO images10:29
GeneralAntillesFirmware flashing.10:29
inzYou "can" do some updates via apt, but it can (and most likely will) break things10:30
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: But shouldnt the applications be upgraded as bug fixes are released?10:30
GeneralAntilles3rd-party stuff, yes.10:30
inzThe internal applications don't have bugs ;)10:30
wwpGeneralAntilles: FYI, I could fix the fat fs10:30
GeneralAntilles^ of course.10:30
wwpw/o reformatting indeed10:30
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: Yeah sure ... no bugs10:30
wwpnow the internal card does auto mount as rw10:30
GeneralAntillesGood job, wwp.10:31
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: You HAVE to be kidding.  Is it closed source? I cant understand why the community hasnt cleaned them up10:31
GeneralAntillessgbirch, how did you own an N800 for a year and not understand how the update system worked?10:31
LinuxCodewwp, how did you fix it ?10:31
LinuxCodejust in case i mess it up too10:31
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: I dont use it very often.  Actually, the promise was greater than the reality.10:31
GeneralAntilleswwp, it's easier for me to tell people to reformat than go through the trouble of checking the fs. ;)10:32
LinuxCodefsck ?10:32
GeneralAntillesWhat promise, sgbirch?10:32
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: But I am hooked on Debian in my pocket so I also bought an N81010:32
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wwpLinuxCode: booted the n810 in usb mode, plugged to my laptop. fsck.vfat -a on the internal storage10:32
GeneralAntillesand, seriously, if you're still running the original OS. . . .10:32
wwpGeneralAntilles: I see :)10:32
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: I thought it would be more like the Ubuntu experience, a ton of applications all installable using apt-get10:32
LinuxCodeusb mode ?10:32
wwpLinuxCode: is has found some broken fat entries, a directory in where I did intensive read/write operations10:32
GeneralAntillesEr, that's more or less how it is.10:32
GeneralAntillesThere are just a lot of repositories.10:32
GeneralAntillessgbirch, that certainly wasn't "promised" in any case.10:33
LinuxCodesgbirch, start packaging then10:33
wwpLinuxCode: connect your nxxx device to another system using the usb wire. press&hold the center button and turn on the nxxx10:33
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: That is an interesting point.10:33
* LinuxCode makes note10:33
wwpLinuxCode: while it's starting you can release the center button10:33
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: I looked at the maemo site but couldnt really find my away around10:34
L0cutusi'm booting from SD (mmc2) and EVERY TIME i fsck it after a week, it foud some errors to fix...10:34
wwpLinuxCode: I found this on .. well somewhere on the net10:34
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: Suppose I did start packaging, where would I go to release the packages?10:34 is really directed at devs.10:34
wwpL0cutus: n800?10:34
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: I am comfortable with debian packages so am interested in helping10:34
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L0cutuswwp, yes10:35
LinuxCodesgbirch, grab the vmware dsk10:35
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wwpfunny that the internal storage in the n810 is mmc2, mmc1 is the free miniSD slot :)10:35
LinuxCodethen all ya have to do is package up10:35
wwpI presume in the n800, mmc1 and mmc2 are free slots?10:35
GeneralAntillesSame way it is on the N800, wwp.10:35
wwpLinuxCode: what? a vmware sdk??10:35
L0cutuswwp, as in n80010:35
wwpLinuxCode: where!10:35
GeneralAntillesWhich evolved from the way it was on the 770.10:35
LinuxCodegoogle vmware maemo sdk10:35
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: OK ... I am at garage.maemo.org10:35
GeneralAntillesRegister for an account, then go install the SDK.10:35
* wwp rushes10:36
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: Quick aside before I go on.  Was there an update for the n810 just released?10:36
wwpLinuxCode: thx!10:36
GeneralAntillesFor both the N800 and the N810.10:36
LinuxCodewwp, please10:36
LinuxCodethank whoever told me yesterday10:36
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: I dont do windoes, can I flash from Linux?10:36
wwpsgbirch: yes10:37
L0cutushum, claws-mail upgrade on the air :)10:37
sgbirchwwp: excellent ... ok, Ill grab that update later, right now I am short on time so want to see the vmware sdk10:37
wwpI prefer vmwares for crosscompiling10:38
wwpway more convenient10:38
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: I am at .. lots of news, cant see the vmware image.10:38
GeneralAntillesFollow the link a few lines up.10:38
wwpsgbirch: LinuxCode has pasted the link few lines above10:38
GeneralAntillesThe one from LinuxCode.10:38
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sgbirchGeneralAntilles: OK ... but why WHY wast it more obvious from the garage page?10:39
GeneralAntillesEr, because it's not an officially supported tool?10:40
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sgbirchGeneralAntilles: should I use BT?10:40
GeneralAntillesUse whatever works best for you.10:41
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: another Q, why is there a part 1 and a part2?10:41
GeneralAntillesDunno, I've never used the VMWare image. No machines that'll run it over here.10:41
sgbirchGeneralAntilles: maemo-sdk-vmware (part 1), maemo-sdk-vmware (part 2).  Nothing about that on the page!10:42
* GeneralAntilles shrugs.10:42
GeneralAntillesI don't maintain it.10:42
LinuxCodesgbirch, its like rar10:42
sgbirchThis is exactly my problem with the whole Nokia and Maemo experience.  Somebody really needs to spend some time cleaning up the site so there is a clear path to follow.  Mystical Part 1 and Part 2, no links to the VM etc etc.  It is incredibly difficult for a new guy to get involved.  When I looked before (a year ago) I just gave up.10:44
LinuxCodesgbirch, errm10:44
GeneralAntillesThere's a big giant tutorial on there.10:44
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LinuxCodeI found it10:45
LinuxCodeand if you google10:45
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GeneralAntillesand, generally speaking, if you can't get the dev environment set up, then it's probably not for you. ;)10:45
LinuxCodeit shows up10:45
dpb_vmware on the garage search goes right into the vmware page10:46
sgbirchLinuxCode: But dont you think should take you there.  I am sure I would have found it .. but ...10:46
sgbirchI didnt even know the VM existed.10:46 != maemo10:46
GeneralAntillesThe VMWare image is not officially supported or maintained.10:46
sgbirchLinuxCode: Ahhhh ... now that explains something10:46
sgbirchLinuxCode: I though maemo was from Nokia10:47
johnxNokia started maemo and spun it off to be it's own thing10:47
GeneralAntillesIt's still part of Nokia.10:47
dpb_Maemo is sponsored by Nokia, as it says on
dpb_johnx: They're "trying" to, but it hasn't really worked so great so far. :)10:48
johnxah, ok10:48
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sgbirchdpb_: Are they open to suggestions?10:48
sgbirchdpb_: I ***REALLY*** want to see linux tablets take off.10:48
dpb_sure, the bug tracker has feature requests and the mailing lists can be used for talking.10:49
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sgbirchI cant stand not being able to control my phone.  The logical next step for the N810 has got to be a phone device10:49
LinuxCodeno thanks10:49
LinuxCodedrains battery10:49
wumpusoh no, please no hybrid phone device again10:49
GeneralAntillesCosts money.10:49
johnxsgbirch, Don't hold your breath on that10:50
wumpusyou look like an idiot putting a n800 to your ear :P10:50
GeneralAntillesRequires more certs10:50
GeneralAntillescarrier sponsorship10:50
LinuxCodegay contracts10:50
sgbirchwow!!!!!  lots of comments on that10:50
wumpusidd GeneralAntilles it imposes some constraints in some countries that are incompatible with open source10:50
GeneralAntillesI already have a phone.10:50
LinuxCodeaka the iphone syndrome10:50
wumpusyou can interface it to your phone via bluetooth which is very nice10:50
LinuxCodewumpus, yeh10:50
johnxit's been rehashed enough times that everyone has an opinion on it now10:50
sgbirchI have a HW6915 from HP but I never could get the N800 to talk to the net through it10:50
LinuxCodejohnx, im not done yet10:50
sgbirchSpent about 2 hours with T-Mobile. Failed10:51
johnxN8x0 supports BT DUN but not not BT PAN out of the box (from what I hear)10:51
sgbirchThat was all part of the reason why the N800 was never used much10:51
LinuxCodesgbirch, failure seems to be your mission hehe10:51
LinuxCode<---- has a motto10:51
sgbirchLinuxCode: Not in most walks of life, but I have had a bad time with the Nx10:52
LinuxCodeif you fail...try and try again10:52
LinuxCode95% it works10:52
LinuxCodefor me anyway10:52
GeneralAntillesPAN support is doable.10:52
sgbirchLinuxCode: Im here!  I have the N810.  I aint giving up10:52
GeneralAntillesMostly the issue is that it's not part of the (closed source) gui interfaces, yet.10:52
LinuxCodeN810 worked with my old P80010:52
hendryN800 chinook is much better than Windows Mobile 6 already ;)10:52
sgbirchHooking to the internet is difficult though. I am in UK right now and the failed link is in the US.  So I can only debug when across the pond10:53
LinuxCodehuh ?10:53
LinuxCodeIm in the Uk10:53
LinuxCodeworks fine10:53
sgbirchhendry: Errr ... sorry.  What is chinook?10:53
LinuxCodeits probably your service provider10:53
LinuxCodeits locked10:53
GeneralAntillesThe ITOS2008 codename.10:53
LinuxCodeyou must unlock inet access..10:53
LinuxCodeit wont be part of your unlimited deal10:53
sgbirchLinuxCode: T-Mobile.  They spent hours with me trying to get it working.10:53
pupnik_Anyone tried a non-nokia BP-4l battery yet?10:54
LinuxCodetrust me...10:54
hendrysgbirch: codename of latest mamo work10:54
LinuxCodeyour US contract is not the same here10:54
sgbirchLinuxCode: really ... that sucks10:54
wumpusit usually even works it if't not officially part of your deal, but that depends on the phone :)10:54
sgbirchhendry: is it in the open, or behind closed doors?10:54
LinuxCodeits country specific10:54
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hendrysgbirch: open of course10:54
sgbirchLinuxCode: I use Vodafone in the UK10:54
sgbirchhendry: cool10:54
LinuxCodesgbirch, most providers lock you out10:54
LinuxCodeso you dont get back and bitch at them10:54
LinuxCodesaying..unlimited blah blah10:55
sgbirchLinuxCode: I dont even try to link to the internet in the UK.  Rip Off Britain pricing doesnt appeal10:55
LinuxCodebecause they get charged...they charge each other10:55
sgbirchLinuxCode: If they priced like the US I would go ahead10:55
LinuxCodesgbirch, google thecloud10:55
wumpusbut yeah in the US they put draconian restrictions on phones :p10:55
GeneralAntilles*Verizon puts draconian restrictions on phones.10:55
sgbirchwumpus: yes.  They are about 2-3 years behind the UK in technology. That is true10:55
LinuxCodesgbirch, google is a wonderful thing10:55
hendrythecloud-- # it sucks10:56
LinuxCodehendry, why ?10:56
LinuxCodebetter than 3g10:56
JaffaMorning, all10:56
LinuxCodeand paying loads10:56
sgbirchLinuxCode: What about fon?10:56
LinuxCodefon ?10:56
sgbirchLinuxCode: Shouldnt that be huge by now thanks to BT?10:56
LinuxCodenever heard of fon10:56
LinuxCodebut thecloud has 75% of all wlan points10:57
LinuxCodeI was under the impression BT started it10:57
sgbirchLinuxCode: Yeah ... use google, it is a wonderful thing :-)10:57
LinuxCodemaybe im wrong10:57
LinuxCodeunless they made a deal a few years back10:57
sgbirchLinuxCode: www.fon.com10:57
LinuxCodeand I recall that10:57
sgbirchLinuxCode: You agree to share 10% of you home bandwidth but can use the 10% all others make available10:58
LinuxCodeno way thats bt approved10:58
LinuxCodethey switch people off10:58
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LinuxCodefor doing that10:58
LinuxCodeterms and conditions10:58
sgbirchLinuxCode: BT has become an amazing company10:58
sgbirchLinuxCode: Other ISPs switch you off10:58
sgbirchLinuxCode: BT now makes it a part of their service10:58
wumpusit's not like they can really detect it anyway10:58
LinuxCodeyou def are american10:58
LinuxCodetoo much faith10:59
sgbirchLinuxCode: No .. check out
sgbirchLinuxCode: BT has also introduced home TV over the net, and they are getting into podcasting.10:59
sgbirchLinuxCode: Somebody at BT has a clue11:00
hendryLinuxCode: completely unreliable. 3G has far better coverage.11:00
LinuxCodehendry, thats true11:00
LinuxCodeI wouldnt surf over 3g11:00
LinuxCodeits expensive11:00
LinuxCodeonly ssh via it11:00
hendryLinuxCode: 3G isn't that expensive. many mobile packages include internet nowadays11:01
LinuxCodeyeh like 10mb11:01
LinuxCodeno thanks11:01
michele_sgbirch: Telecom Italia has introduced IPTV too. And it's awful *and* expensive.11:01
dpb_I pay 10 euros a month for unlimited 3G11:01
sgbirchmichele_: Have you seen miro11:01
LinuxCodeeuros yeh11:01
LinuxCodethis is the UK11:01
sgbirchmichele_: That is the TV of the future, its very cool11:01
LinuxCodeUK = rip off11:01
michele_sgbirch: yer, why should it matter in this discussion?11:01
sgbirchmichele_: I was esponding to your comment about IPTV11:02
dpb_oh wait, the speed is limited though.. only 364k.. oh well..11:03
sgbirchI wish miro was on the n8x011:03
dpb_what's miro?11:03
dpb_ah, googl answered.11:04
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sgbirchdpb_: Nice thing about miro, downloads are in background so no bandwidth problems, bt so providers dont have to have a fat pipe.11:04
sgbirchdpb_: Its like joose TV done right.11:05
sgbirchdpb_: anyway, off topic. Sorry11:05
GeneralAntillesBT is great, unless you have Comcast.11:05
michele_well, the big problem with miro is content11:05
sgbirchGuys .. I have to go now. MOT time, wish me luck.11:05
LinuxCodemot ?11:05
michele_as it is with joots, to a *slightly* lesser extent11:06
GeneralAntillestvrss, michele_. ;)11:06
LinuxCodeas in m.o.t ?11:06
sgbirchLinuxCode: yeah ... gotta take the rust bucket to have the government clowns ok it for another year11:06
michele_GeneralAntilles: eh, point :)11:06
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LinuxCodemy god this chan is chatty11:07
LinuxCodeI might have to part11:07
dpb_naw, it's a quiet chan. :P11:07
LinuxCodeits eating my ircz bandwidth rofl11:07
GeneralAntillesYeah, there are a lot more chatty channels.11:07
GeneralAntillesTry #macosx. ;)11:07
LinuxCodewas a joke guys11:08
michele_or #ubuntu11:08
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Tama^2 /nick BillGates /join #macos "Does ctrl, alt, del work in OSX?" /me ducks for cover11:10
LinuxCodesweet ..the user pass didnt lock me out haha11:10
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chillehow do i install the gtkmm files in scratchbox?11:34
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LinuxCodefedora has an arm project ;-D11:34
chillei know there is a deb package, but apt-get install dosn't work from scratchbox11:34
johnxchille, did you fix your /etc/nsswitch.conf file?11:37
johnxLinuxCode, big redhat fan?11:38
LinuxCodefedora fan11:38
LinuxCodenot necessarily redhat11:38
LinuxCodei got shot of my rhe and replaced it with fedora11:38
LinuxCodemuch happier ;-p11:38
johnxI got sick of redhat before fedora existed so I never gave it much of a chance11:39
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johnxI wonder how many packages they have built compared to debian armel11:39
LinuxCodeI use it as desktop OS, laptop OS and server OS11:39
LinuxCodegood question11:39
LinuxCodethey only started the project11:39
LinuxCodetheres a rootfs though11:39
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chillejohnx: i don't even know what that file does or why i should fix it :-)11:40
b0unc3good morning11:40
LinuxCodemeh 4 users in the chan ;-[11:40
johnxchille, let me dig up the reference11:40
Luriayeah, red hat 4 sucked.11:40
chillejohnx: okay, thanks11:40
johnxredhat 5.1 sucked, skipped 6 and 7. 8 and 9 sucked.11:41
johnxdo what it says with nsswitch.conf :)11:42
chillejohnx: okay :)11:42
LinuxCode <-- john11:42
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johnxthis might take a while to load O_o11:43
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hendrythat vmware maemo image doesn't seem to have the latest sb2-style SDK installed11:43
*** wwp has joined #maemo11:43 that our arm arch ?11:44
johnxwe're arm6tje but armv5te will run fine11:44
johnxthe important thing is that we're both "EABI"11:44
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LinuxCodewell still needs hildon stuff11:44
johnxdebian already has the hildon stuff11:44
LinuxCodewhats eabi ?11:44
Cptnodegardgpe doesnt support vcalendar? 8#11:44
LinuxCodeCptnodegard, does11:45
chillejohnx: still don't works, I think the problem is something else, because it just says SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set when i try to run apt-get, dpkg or even something at all11:45
LinuxCodejohnx, if I knew this worked11:45
Cptnodegardit suport icalendar apaprently so no biggy xD11:45
LinuxCodeI would build up hildon11:46
LinuxCodebut def need a build dir11:46
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johnxchille, aaah. ok, you have some different problem...11:46
LinuxCodethere has to be a sdk11:46
johnxinstall it in qemu :) instant SDK11:46
LinuxCodeyeh the maemo one11:46
LinuxCodeI meant for fedora11:46
LinuxCodenot sure that would work11:46
johnxnah, I mean fedora. Install the whole thing in qemu-arm-system11:47
LinuxCodewould have to build a cross-compile environment11:47
johnxgrab a kernel and a rootfs11:47
LinuxCodehmmm I see!11:47
johnxthen you skip the whole cross compile terror11:47
johnxat the cost of lots of speed and RAM11:47
LinuxCode<-- quad core11:47
LinuxCodedont care11:48
Luriasigh. somehow manged to kill alsa on eeexubuntu.11:48
johnxqemu only runs on one core :)11:48
LinuxCodethats ok john11:48
LinuxCodeI could live with that11:48
LinuxCodeas long as the puter is usable11:48
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johnxor you could run 4 copies of qemu and use distcc11:48
LinuxCodewas just thinking that myself11:48
LinuxCodenot the qemu bit but yeh11:49
johnxI was trying to get a cross compile distcc setup earlier today11:49
LinuxCodeim happy that they are at least doing it11:49
johnxit doesn't seem to integrate to easily with building debian packages11:49
LinuxCodeI was on about it all day11:49
johnxyeah, the more choice the better11:49
LinuxCodein the fedora chan11:49
LinuxCodecan only benefit every distro11:50
johnxand I'm sure lots of patches will go both ways11:50
Luriaset it up on ITs for native compiliation :-)11:50
LinuxCodeLuria, sure11:50
LinuxCodeand wait 100 years for compile11:50
Luriamesh network compilation party :-)11:50
LinuxCodesounds like a plan11:51
LinuxCodedownloaded the rootfs11:51
johnxLuria, I ran the native compile on my zaurus for a while, but my athon 64 is faster at emulating an arm than the n800 is at *being* an arm11:51
LinuxCodeits 90MB!11:51
LinuxCodeactually packed11:51
LinuxCode300MB total11:52
Luriawell, on the serious - the point is to avoid qemu bugs, not provide speed11:52
johnxLuria, a good point if I was using this for production stuff11:52
johnxalso, I think the debian-m68k guys use qemu now for a lot of stuff11:52
chillewtf is /scratchbox/tolols/bin/misc_runner? :o11:52
LinuxCodeIm kinda itching to install this11:52
LinuxCodedespite not having hildon11:53
LinuxCodebut I havent got time for this atm11:53
johnxLinuxCode, so just unpack it on a card and chroot it11:53
* LinuxCode feels the magnetic force of the N81011:53
Luriaa buddy o'mine who used to do embedded programming for work compiles on his projects on his iphone for similar reasons11:53
LinuxCodejohnx, that will boot ?11:53
johnxprobably not11:53
johnxbut you can chroot in and play11:53
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LinuxCodei suppose11:53
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* LinuxCode is really excited11:55
johnxchille, it looks like maybe a renamed version of qemu? or possibly a wrapper for qemu?11:55
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LinuxCodethis will be very exciting11:55
johnxyeah, EABI finally has support from the big distros11:56
LinuxCode amsn-0.96-7.fc7.armv5tel.rpm11:56
johnxthis will open up a lot of fun for tablets/zauruses11:56
chillejohnx: hmm. i don't know. but it looks like when i type a command on scratchbox misc_runner tries to execute the command but fails11:56
LinuxCodelol gnome11:57
LinuxCodeI bet that wouldnt even load11:57
johnxLinuxCode, it should with swap11:58
LinuxCodeive set it all up now11:59
Luriasigh, i think it's time for a reboot11:59
LinuxCodedont want to fuck it up ;-|11:59
LinuxCodeehh mess11:59
LinuxCodesorry for bad language11:59
johnxLinuxCode, are you booting from flash?12:00
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LinuxCodeyou mean flash = internal sd card right ?12:00
LinuxCodeohh no12:00
LinuxCodeyou dont12:00
johnxI mean the internal NAND12:00
LinuxCodeyeh flash12:00
johnxso install the modified initfs, boot from sd card and mess around on that :)12:00
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LinuxCodemodified initfs ?12:01
johnxfrom fanoush12:01
johnxlet me dig it up12:01
LinuxCodesweet thanks12:01
johnxbasically, kernel loads, then this loads instead of init and lets you pick the root device12:01
LinuxCodelike grub12:02
LinuxCodekinda cool12:02
johnxexcept grub is before the kernel and this is after12:02
LinuxCodea fake bootloader12:02
LinuxCodetry that on winblows ehh ?12:02
johnxactually, I'll give you a google search instead: fanoush initfs boot sd12:03
johnxway more info than on any one page ;)12:03
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LinuxCodehey john a big thank you12:11
LinuxCodefor all the hints and advice12:11
LinuxCodeappreciate it12:11
LinuxCodeI should go to bed12:11
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johnxgah, wrong window12:14
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GeneralAntilles hopes12:15
johnxall of these can be yours if the price is right?12:15
Luriahope she goes out with you, dream of a happy marriage, inevitability.12:16
jumpulaalmost choked on my cola12:16
Luriaor something.12:16
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SpakmanCan anyone tell me how to set a preferred application for a certain mime type?12:27
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hugolpwhere can I find info about catching the signal for fullscreen mode?12:41
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johnxdoesn't the fullscreen button send like a keypress?12:41
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hugolpjohnx:  probably, thats what I want to know12:42
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johnxi know it's about keyboards but it mentions what key goes with what function12:44
KhertanSpakman > if u have any information about mime in file manager ... i'm looking for too12:44
hugolpjohnx:  no, Im looking to catch the fullscreen mode signal in a C aplication Im porting12:45
hugolpI read that previously it was done automatic but now the developer has to take care of it12:45
johnxah, ok12:46
solmumahahugolp: Gdk::Keyval::GDK_F612:46
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henriquedoes anyone know if are there updated telepathy packages for maemo chinook?12:58
KhertanMaybe someone can help me ... i get some problem to get a transparent widget ...13:01
Khertanas i get an argb colormap and set it to the widget ... but white is still white ... no transparency13:02
inzI would guess you're screwed13:03
inz"all" gtk widgets create their own X windows and X doesn't really do (alpha)transparency13:04
SpakmanKhertan: OK. What do you mean "mime in file manager"?13:04
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michele_the home applets are transparent13:04
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Khertaninz > so home applets are transparent ?13:04
KhertanSpakman > filemanager use mime to choose application to launch when you try to open a file ... and i m trying to associate .py file to pygtkeditor13:05
Khertaninz> and one of the main update of chinook is that now window manager do now transparency :)13:06
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SpakmanKhertan: ah, OK13:07
inzKhertan, hmm they indeed are, I wonder if it's real on "pseudo" transparency13:08
SpakmanKhertan: I'm trying to associate RSS feeds to a different application13:08
KhertanSpakman> so take a look at /usr/share/applications/mimecache13:08
KhertanSpakman > but it s just a cache ... look in the osso-rssreader.desktop too13:09
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michele_inz: put one over another and watch them update13:10
inzmichele, yeah, noticed that13:11
inzKhertan, I guess you have to do X{composite,damage,render} stuff yourself, see
SpakmanKhertan: thanks! How is the cache generated?13:11
KhertanSpakman it s my problem ... i don t know ...13:16
Tama^2the cache seems to be managed by this lib
LoCusF /huumorin grönfors pisti /quitit13:18
LoCusFargh wron chan :)13:18
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LahiruHas anyone seen penguinBait? :)13:24
LahiruI was checking since three days :(13:24
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|tbb|is there a gconf-gui editor for chinook availabel?13:33
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|tbb|havent found there13:35
johnxhmm, strange. I thought I remembered one13:35
|tbb|maybe i searched wrong13:36
johnxnah, I don't see it either13:36
X-Fade_|tbb|: The indt guys had one. But not sure if they ported it to chinook.13:36
|tbb|how does the gui called?13:37
X-Fade_This one?13:37
X-Fade_No chinook version it seems..13:37
johnxyeah...I *know* there was at least a version for 200713:38
Nermalgotta love gconf13:38
Nermalafter all the bitching over the windows registry13:38
johnxyeah, I tend to agree with you13:39
Tama^2Khertan: found how to add mime types13:39
Nermalgod-awful idea :|13:39
Tama^2in the deb package you need to include an XML file that complies to this schema:
Tama^2and has to be in /usr/share/mime/packages13:40
Tama^2then in the .deb postinst scripts you do:13:41
Tama^2# Update mime types13:41
Tama^2if [ -x /usr/bin/update-mime-database ]; then13:41
Tama^2 update-mime-database /usr/share/mime13:41
Tama^2# Update mime categories13:41
Tama^2if [ -x /usr/bin/osso-update-category-database ]; then13:41
Tama^2 osso-update-category-database /usr/share/mime13:41
hendryi have a new 810. what's the default root passwd for the terminal?13:41
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zaheermhendry, install the openssh-server and it'll ask you for a root password to set...then ssh into it as root13:42
inzor enable r&d -mode and do sudo gainroot, or...13:42
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hendryinz: r&d mode? how i enable that?13:43
inzhendry, with the flasher tool13:43
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b0unc3or install becomeroot pkg13:44
GeneralAntillesOr just install becomeroot13:44
johnxenabling r&d mode is the hardest, least safe way to do it13:44
johnxjust install becomeroot or openssh-server13:44
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hendryi guess i need another pkg list for apt-getting openssh-server as the default doesn't seem to have it13:45
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hendryah, need to enable maemo extras13:46
johnxhendry, yes13:46
johnxalso has lists of what packages are where13:46
hendrythanks for the help guys13:47
hendryis there java for the n810?13:48
johnxor...kinda, sorta13:48
hendryjohnx: are you referring to the jolito project?13:49
johnxI know there's not official support, but every so often I hear rumblings of someone getting something running13:50
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johnxlooks like java 1.5SE with no swing13:51
johnx"java maemo chinook" returns lots of other results, but I don't know what you're looking for13:52
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SpakmanKhertan: update-deskop-database seems to regenerate the cache13:58
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SpakmanKhertan: and /usr/share/applications/defaults.list is a list of default applications13:59
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SpakmanI've associated my application (an RSS reader) correctly so that clicking on an RSS link loads my app, but I can't work out how the URL is passed in. Does anyone know?14:09
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KhertanSpakman > do u get the rpc callback from the osso context ?14:19
KhertanSpakman > here how i do it in python :
chillesomeone know how to get GTK-- working?14:21
chille(I'm a developer)14:21
Khertangtk-- ?14:21
Khertanwhat is it ?14:21
chilleyeah, the C++ wrapper for GTK+14:21
Khertansorry can't help u14:22
chillewell, maybe you know how to use e callback function inside a class then? :-)14:22
chillein C++14:22
Khertanlibgtkmm is in the repository :
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chilleyeah i know, i have the libraries installed on my device, but i need the *.h-files etc to compile my application14:24
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murrayc_chille: So you will need the *-dev packatges too. See the maemomm documentation.14:24
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chillemurrayc_: yeh but the problem is that my scratchbox isn't working so i can't use dpkg or apt-get :o14:25
murrayc_chille: You'll have to fix that then.14:25
chillewell, i don't know how to fix the problem14:25
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chillei tries to unpack the *-dev.deb file on another box and just copying the needed headerfiles, but it didn't work ;o14:26
KeyguardHi all! Anybody knows the way to disable power-saving mode in N800? (OS2007)14:26
Khertansomeone that understand well c can explain me how this applet make the transparency in gtk ?
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LahiruHi... I need to get an clear idea... if I write a simple C++ prog with cout<<"test"; how can I compile this for maemo in order to execute in the console and get the output..? please help :)14:32
LahiruI have scratchbox installed14:32
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Lahiruand I tried g++ test.cpp and copied the executable file to my N800.. but I couldn't run it.. :S14:33
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onionKhertan: probably the XRenderComposite call that does it14:33
SpakmanKhertan: ah, thanks! Progress on the mime front :)14:34
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Khertanthx onion ...14:53
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Khertanonion > but where is this method ?14:53
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onionKhertan: part of the X composite extension14:59
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SpakmanI'm having trouble getting python2.5-runtime installed. After using the .install file I'm told that the application package cannot be found. Any ideas?15:26
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roccohey peeps15:27
roccois wordpy for the n810 broken?15:28
roccowhy i run it nothing happens15:28
roccowhat's the binay called?15:28
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Cptnodegardsmart people with electric knowledge wanted:
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VReCptnodegard: Electricity is blue and lives inside the machines. Sometimes it comes out as smoke and then it is hard to put back in. Am I hired?15:45
ph|beranyone have gnapplet for s60 3rd edition15:46
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MeandrAnybody have successful run of Kismet on OS 2007(N800)?15:47
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MeandrFor me, it stops capture after 5-10 seconds after start. Aircrack-ng works good. Goggled for this problem, but haven't found any solution.15:49
chilleis there any way to compile a application outside a scratchbox?15:49
BlafaselCptnodegard: Nice idea with that pack, though. Can you share some stats? Apart from the issue in the thread?15:50
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CptnodegardBlafasel: i use it in conjunction with - that way it charge both ways. i charge the pack with usb, and charge usb stuff with the pack. put together with a AC USB adapter (also dalextreme) and some shortened USB cables it came out as this for $20 shipped:
Cptnodegardworks great for normal USB15:53
Cptnodegardjust not the ca10015:53
Cptnodegardbecause of whatever it is that curcuit inside is doing15:53
doc|homeis there a version of ekiga available for os2008?15:53
BlafaselInteresting. And they seem (?) to ship free of charge worldwide? That would be a nice deal indeed..15:55
BlafaselEspecially with the weak dollar..15:55
Cptnodegardi have ordered...god i dont know, 50-100 thigns from there15:55
Cptnodegardthey ship free, and no scam15:56
Cptnodegardthey got this in stock the other day:
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Cptnodegarddunnno how that works¨15:56
Cptnodegardi mean, if it works xD15:56
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Cptnodegardthey also got ... not sure i believe the capacity15:58
doc|homeI've had 1250 and higher before15:59
doc|homeoh, triple a15:59
MeandrReformulating my question: anybody have success in running kismet on OS-2008? :-)15:59
glassdealextreme rules15:59
wndMeandr, with n810, yes16:02
Meandrwnd, and with n800?16:02
wndMeandr, I don't have one16:02
Meandrwnd, on your N810 kismet didn't stop after capturing about 100 packets, or after 5-7 minutes?16:03
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wndit did. try setting network search interval to zero (control panel -> connectivity -> search interval).16:05
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Meandrwnd, big thanks, now I'll have a try to upgrade my N800 to OS2008 ;-)16:07
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wndI don't really know if that helps but I figured that's probably the thing to blame16:08
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wndI haven't been playing around with kismet too much. so far I haven't had interest to run it any longer than that anyway.16:09
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Meandranyway, didn't find any solution to make it work under OS 200716:10
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|tbb|how can i get the type of a value from gconftool-216:31
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cizarrodamn. someone found a bug in the training material!16:37
* cizarro goes into the corner and cries16:37
michele_|tbb|: --get-type (--help helps too ;)16:38
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cizarromichele_, thanks16:40
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pupniki'm almost too scared to take my N810 with me16:41
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pupnikthe 770 on the other hand, is a tank16:41
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j0ttpupnik: stay at home then ;)16:41
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|tbb|thx michele_  havent found that before on man gconftool-216:44
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|tbb|could anyone look what type /apps/modest/auto_update  has in orginal? i ve set the key with boolean dunno if its right by default16:45
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|tbb|gconftool-2 --get-type /apps/modest/auto_update16:46
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michele_|tbb|: --unset the key to its original value16:58
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|tbb|michele_, ive changed it various time, where do he know what was it orginal?17:28
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Khertanlmoura> does the gdk.gtk.Screen().get_argb_colormap() bg17:47
Khertanis corrected on the new python release ?17:47
Khertanlmoura> as #1862 > it should be corrected in the last release ... but not the case on my n800.17:48
Khertani ve touched the file17:48
Khertanlmoura> and what about official hildondesktop ?17:49
lmouraKhertan, are you importing pygtk?17:49
lmouranot gtk, but import pygtk17:49
lmourait initializes a few extra functions17:50
Khertanhum ... only gtk17:50
doc|homeekiga uses to make 'ekiga-out' type calls. Anyone know how you can do that using an ekiga account with rtcomm?17:50
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Khertani thought that importing gtk or pygtk was the same thing17:50
lmourame too17:51
Juhazit's not17:51
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KhertanJuhaz > could u explain the main differences ?17:52
Khertanor give me a link ?17:52
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Juhazwell, everything, really. the pygtk module doesn't do much anything, it is just a way to select between gtk1 and gtk2 if both versions are installed at the same time17:53
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Khertanlmoura> segfault with import pygtk too :)17:54
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Khertanlmoura > or maybe it was for gnome binding ? :)17:55
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Juhazeg. import pygtk; pygtk.require('2.0') changes what you get when you do "import gtk" later17:55
Juhazbut that's all it does17:55
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KhertanJuhaz > maybe you could me ... i m still trying to make tranparent home desktop applet in python17:57
KhertanJuhaz > my applet work ... but i still doesn't found how to make background transparent.17:57
Juhazsorry, now idea about that newfangled stuff, I'm still stuck in OS 2006 era.17:58
Juhazdo other applets do it, that is, you know that it's even possible?17:58
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SpakmanJuhaz: yeah, the supplied applets are all transparent in 200818:01
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skyhawk_anyone know the default password for 'user'?  (Trying to ssh in via usb.  OS2008)18:04
penguinbaitmy n810 keyboard has some funny symbols on it, are all qwerty the same keyboards, or do I have a non US version?18:04
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penguinbaituser has no password by default18:04
KhertanJuhaz > other can do it :)18:05
skyhawk_ssh user@<IP.ADDR> requests password, blank doesn't' work :(18:05
lophytehey all18:05
lmouraKhertan, I'm going out now, could file a bug report at pymaemo? Tomorrow morning I'll do more tests18:05
penguinbaitset a user passwrd18:06
penguinbaitopen xterm18:06
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skyhawk_tried, I get "The passwor for user cannot be changed"18:06
lophytehey penguinbait :)18:06
Khertanpenguinbait> this key ?
skyhawk_i'll try as root18:06
penguinbaitpasswd user18:06
penguinbaitpasswd alone will change root password18:07
penguinbaithey lophyte18:07
penguinbaitI am installing KDE right now :)18:07
penguinbaiton my new 810 :)18:07
penguinbaitI am giddy18:07
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skyhawk_yeah!  that worked:  sudo gainroot, then passwd user.  Thanks18:08
lophytehahah, niice18:08
lophyteI'd like to try kde on my n80018:08
doc|homeanyone know if there is anyone working on the ekiga port for maemo/os2008?18:09
skyhawk_hmm, i thought passwd alone would by default change the current user's password18:09
lophytedoc|home, that would be nice...18:09
penguinbaitekiga, what is that?18:09
lophytea sip phone18:09
doc|homelophyte: indeed, there's a port of sorts but it hasn't been in a while18:09
doc|homelophyte: if it's just sip you want, rtcomm will work for you I think, I want SIP and ekiga's pc to phone option :/18:10
penguinbaitI thought someone was mispelling Amiga18:10
JuhazKhertan, don't see anything in the libhildondesktop api, at least... maybe they "fake" it (check what the background is, and draw the part they're over themselves)18:10
lophyteI have my own asterisk server that connects to my voip provider, so if I had just a sip phone, I'd have pc to phone...18:10
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doc|homelophyte: rtcomm will work for you then18:11
lophyteI'll have to try it out :)18:11
doc|homelophyte: how does asterisk connect to a normal phone?18:11
lophytethrough my voip service provider18:11
doc|homeah, ok, yeah, that's what ekiga does too in a way18:11
K-Foxis it difficult to port a appl of x86?18:11
doc|homethe client hands it off to, which is pretty cheap18:11
lophyteI pay my service provider a nominal fee for usage...18:12
doc|homeunfortunately there's no client for maemo :/18:12
lophyte$0.01/min to anywhere in US and Canada outgoing... and unlimited incoming calls for $1/month18:12
michele_how do I know the IP address of the thing?18:12
Khertanjuhaz> if you superpose many applet you ll see all ... it s a real alpha ...18:12
doc|homelophyte: nice18:12
penguinbait1 deb down 2 more to go18:13
michele_ok, /sbin/ifconfig :)18:13
KhertanJuhaz> the main problem is how do i make a transparent label in a transparent frame :)18:13
penguinbaitlophyte, did you get a bigger card?18:13
Khertanwhere transparency is the problem :)18:13
lophyteI have two 1GB cards18:13
K-Foxdo it exist sniffing appl on n810?18:13
KhertanK-Fox> tcpdump :)18:14
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Khertanit s seems also that there is a dsniff working version for os200818:16
lophyteoi, can't remember how to do usbnet.. *goes searching*18:16
Khertanbut i ve never been able to snif anything with ... including my own traffic18:16
K-Foxmaemo is super tool18:16
lophyteugh is down18:16
GeneralAntillesWorks here.18:17
penguinbaitI ported compiled wireshark a long time ago, not sure if it works on 2008os18:17
lophyteoh there it goes18:17
penguinbaitjust a tarball though18:17
K-Foxpenguinbail : porting is easy?18:18
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penguinbaitcompiling is easy18:20
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penguinbaitI meant to say compiled not ported, forgot to erase the ported18:21
pupnikis there a radio-playing app that lets me hit 'record' and capture the last few seconds or minutes of the buffer, while recording the ongoing stream?18:21
penguinbaitI compile things, I am not a developer :)18:21
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giskardhey guys18:21
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giskardhow i can recover the password i typed when i installed openssh18:22
GeneralAntillesNot that I've noticed, pupnik.18:22
GeneralAntillesSounds like a golden opportunity. :P18:22
ph|beranyone got the fexplorer for s60 3rd?18:22
doc|homegiskard: you can't18:22
penguinbaitinstall besomeroot18:22
penguinbaitsudo gainroot18:22
giskardi did18:22
penguinbaitchange root passwd18:22
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giskardeasy. thank you18:23
penguinbaitno prob, not recover, its an overwrite :)18:23
giskardi know18:23
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Meandrheh, just found funny bug(?) on OS2008. .install files like this didn't work -- it says "incompatible version", but if i add repository by myself all works well.18:24
giskardi thought i had to do something else, i hoped in something like dpkg-reconfigure18:24
penguinbaitit that "me and r"18:24
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penguinbaitor Mean Dr.18:24
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K-Fox is it possible that only a developer port a program ?18:25
giskardFailed to fetch  401 Unauthorized [IP: 80]18:25
giskardthis is really an annoying bug18:25
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GeneralAntillesgiskard, going through a proxy?18:26
penguinbaitI am not a developer K-fox, so I dont alter any code when I compile apps18:26
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giskardGeneralAntilles, this is not a solution18:26
penguinbaitto me porting is altering the source code to work better on the platform18:26
penguinbaitperhaps I am using my terminology wrong?18:26
fysa <- this is an excellent idea.18:27
fysaand a bookmarklet could be made to replace the current URL with the GWT version of it, giving you a bookmark that basically says 'View Handheld-Friendly Version'18:28
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michele_unfortunately, it seems bookmarklets don't work on microb18:28
michele_at least, the one I tried, didn't18:28
fysareally?  I thought I had the Google Reader bookmarklet for 'Next' working18:28
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fysathis was OS2007 though.18:29
fysawith either microb or minimo..18:29
fysaI would like to hack up the RSS reader to use GWT links. :)18:29
hugolpanybody using egroupware here?18:30
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hugolpthe mail doesnt work with the OS2008 browser18:30
Khertanso ... i 'm going to get my n810 ... :)18:30
Khertansee u later ...18:31
fysaI guess all we'd really need is a GWT transcoder for RSS feeds.  i.e., http://blah/gwtrss.php?feed=
michele_ugh.. no wget...18:32
K-Foxi wanna get n810 to wget's tool18:33
fysasomeone just needs to rebuild busybox..18:33
GeneralAntillesapt-get install wget18:33
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fysathere are a ton of tools that Maemo left out of their busybox that would be extremely useful.18:33
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GeneralAntillesAccording to gronmayer, wget is in maemo chinook18:34
pupnikthe wget package is rather large, but it works18:35
penguinbaitI just did apt-get install wget18:35
penguinbaitnot sure whre it came from18:35
GeneralAntillesmaemo chinook18:35
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michele_I just need to download a file, I'll use python :)18:43
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czrurllib ftw.18:46
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K-Foxin unbox N810 , a battery is two?18:47
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MeandrJust tested Kismet on N800/OS2008 -- the same issue, with stopping packet capturing after 5-6 minutes exists. :-(18:51
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hullfandancan anyone recommend a good webpage to read up on libs,include and makefiles on the maemo(bora), I am curently getting and error just trying to include <glib.h> :-(18:53
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lophytei wonder if there's any plans for iax support in rtcomm...18:54
inzhullfandan, are you using autotools?18:54
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inzhullfandan, if not, add `pkg-config glib-2.0 --cflags` to your compiler (and --libs to linker)18:54
hullfandaninz: no, I'm just using ESBOX as configured in a wmware image as ~i hadanightmare setting up scratchbox on my unbuntu box  :/18:55
Mikhohas anyone tried installing java ee on ubuntu? When I run the installer .bin, it just gives an empty window and freezes18:55
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inzhullfandan, well, if you just want to compile manually with gcc, use: gcc `pkg-config glib-2.0 --cflags --libs` -o my_prog your_source.c18:56
hullfandaninz.thanks but there in lies the problem,. I am using sdl-config not pkg-config18:56
inzhullfandan, you can use both18:56
hullfandaninz, thanks18:57
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hullfandaninz, where can i read more about these -configs? I couldn't find anywhere on the meamo site18:57
inzhullfandan, the "official" way is to use autotools and PKG_CHECK_MODULES -macro in configure.ac18:57
inzhullfandan, but ls /usr/lib/pkgconfig should give you a list of available modules in pkg-config18:58
michele_hullfandan: they are not maemo specific18:59
hullfandaninz thanks, I was starting to pull my hair out (not for the first time). I'll check out autotools now.18:59
michele_hullfandan: you can find info on linux programming guides too18:59
inzhullfandan, autotools will make you bold18:59
hullfandanmichele, ok thanks. I wondered that18:59
hullfandaninz, lol18:59
hullfandaninz, ok maybe I'll stick to doing it by hand in the makefile.  thanks for you help.19:00
inzhullfandan, you might want to check autotools later on, but I wouldn't use them when learning things19:00
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hullfandaninz: ok, thanks agian19:01
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michele_autotools will make you bald19:01
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Mikhois there anyone who has succeeded installing java ee on ubuntu?19:02
inzmichele, that was what I tried to say, I always get it wrong19:02
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michele_i ssh'd into the device19:03
michele_the (crappy) wifi connection dropped (again)19:03
michele_and now I can't ssh on it anymore19:03
doc|homeyey! I just got calling out voip -> phone working on my n800 without skype :)19:03
michele_it asks the password and then stays stuck there19:03
lophytedoc|home, how?19:03
michele_how do I start/stop the sshd daemon?19:04
lophytewith rtcomm or...?19:04
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doc|homelophyte: with ekiga I'd signed up for their pc-to-phone set up but registering against that in rtcomm wasn't enough. You need to add another account for diamondcard (ekiga's provider) with the details that diamondcard give you when you sign up.19:04
lophyteAH, NICE19:04
doc|homeyes :)19:04
lophyteoops, sorry19:04
czrhullfandan, there's intro level stuff of using autotools with maemo in the training material19:05
lophyteI'm wondering if rtcomm has any plans for IAX support...19:05
* czr misread as "AIX support"19:05
Meandrmichele_, /etc/init.d/ssh start/stop19:05
czrwhich would be pretty funky19:05
lophytehaha, no, not AIX19:05
K-FoxMeandr : what is IAX?19:05
michele_hey, AIX on ARM would be nice19:05
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MeandrHmm, funny, after going into "Fly" mode, kismet works fine fpr about 10 mins19:07
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giskardguys, i'm root but i get this when i try to launch the app19:13
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giskardNokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc2/src/powertop-1.9# ./powertop19:13
giskard-sh: ./powertop: Permission denied19:13
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cyndis_mount -o remount,exec /media/mmc219:13
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cyndis_well, dunno if it works for executables because of the fat filesystem, but for libraries it does19:14
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ph|bergiskard: thats bc your card is formated with a windows partition19:16
giskardph|ber,  if i mv the elf into /usr/bin i get the same error19:17
giskardlet me look if the partition is mounted with noexec option19:17
giskardright. it has the noexec option enabled19:17
giskardbut i should avoid this problem simply cp'ing powertop to another location (outside the mmc)19:18
Meandrbtw, what fs'es enabled by default in OS 2008 kernel?19:18
giskardjffs for sure19:19
Takand vfat19:21
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czror hmm. maybe not. let's see19:23
giskard/dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8)19:23
giskardNokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc2/src/powertop-1.9# ./powertop19:23
giskard-sh: ./powertop: Permission denied19:23
giskardnah, i remounted it without the noexec option and it doesn't work19:23
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hullfandaninz: sorry to bother you again but you mentioned that I could use multiple -config. Do you know any decent ggc makefile guides that cover this. I want to addd sdl-config and pkg-config to my cflags/libs19:23
czrMeandr, msdos (old fat), vfat and jffs219:23
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inzhullfandan, CFLAGS = `pkg-config glib-2.0 --cflags` `sdl-config --cflags`19:24
Takdoes anyone know if there's a gobject way to 'sink' a reference other than g_object_ref_sink?19:25
hullfandaninz thanks, and similar for libs I guess. cheers19:25
inzhullfandan, yeah19:25
Meandris there any patches for enabling ext2 on OS2008?19:25
inzhullfandan, if you need multiple pkg-config modules, you can just list them in one pkg-config call19:25
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inzhullfandan, i.e. `pkg-config libosso glib-2.0 --cflags`19:26
Mouseycan i get my n810 to mount a flash usb stick?19:26
Mouseyis there a url?19:26
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Mouseyand where the HECK is syslog??19:26
inzMousey, there have been some reports that once you get the usb host mode working, usb-storade devices would be automounted19:26
WebspotWhat's the best way to troubleshoot why my n800 won't connect to my GPRS network via bluetooth?19:26
Mouseyah, so it's about getting host mode working19:27
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inzMousey, it shouldn't be that hard19:29
hullfandaninz but pkg-config doesn't have the SDL libs I need I don't think19:29
inzMousey, but I've never done it, so can't really say for sure19:29
inzhullfandan, true, sdl only has sdl-config, that was just an additional note19:30
inzhullfandan, if you happen to need some other pkg-config handled libraries19:30
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hullfandaninz: but thanks anyway. I still don't really understand what Iam doing though which I don't like. Now there is an error with the libs so it's not compiling. I gues i need to find a good gcc/makefile guide and read it.19:31
Mouseyinz: well it automounts the removable flash cards as i'd expect it to, and i do see hal and dbus and udev. so the recipe for auto mount is there19:32
Mouseyi can't figure out where kernel modules are stored tho. there doesn't seem to be a lib/modules19:32
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inzMousey, I asked someone who succeeded with usb host if there was a way to umount from the UI, but he was unable to answer19:33
Mouseyprobably from the filemangler, if not just umount (or pumount)19:33
Mouseyone day i'll figure out this twisted mutant distro19:34
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inzhullfandan, pkg-config ... --cflags gives some compiler flags needed to compile sources using module x, usually containing mostly include search paths19:34
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inzhullfandan, for example glib-2.0 gives -I/usr/include/glib-2.0, so when you do #include <glib.h>, the preprocessor finds glib.h from the path19:35
inzhullfandan, the --libs gives the library where the implementations are, and possibly a library path where to find it19:36
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hullfandaninz: thanks, I looked in usr/lib/pkgconfiglike you said and that makes sense. CFLAGS looks fine in my make file not but it's not working probably because of LIBS now :/19:37
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hullfandaninz: oh ok. so the .h files canbe in a different place to the library files?19:38
korpiosI'm trying to punch in my developer discount code and it says it's not valid; I called Nokia's store number and they don't see the code in their system, and has no contact info that I can see ... does anyone have any suggestions as to who to talk to?19:39
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inzhullfandan, your makefile could look something like this:19:39
|R... caling nokia canada about the discount code : "you have to write to the store email" ... how userful is that!19:40
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inzhullfandan, there are ways to have a common rule for all .c -> .o compilations (so you don't need explicit rule for each), but for simplicity I didn't use any19:40
korpios|R: hmm, I was told to get in touch with whoever sent the code (maemo?)19:42
|Rkorpios : well, nobody is responsible for anything it seems as quim wrote me and told me to call the stores hehe19:43
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|Rkorpios : did you order in canada? how much did it cost?19:44
korpios|R: I'm trying to order in the US, tells me invalid code, yay19:44
|RI'm pretty sure people are going to be clueless so i'd like to quote them what i'm supposed to pay19:44
hullfandaninz: thanks and what a cool tool. It looks like this now (based on the hello world example :) )
|Rzerojay : how much did you pay? ;)19:44
korpiosthey asked me how much the code was for, I said 99 EUR, and they said they could give me $75 USD *off* the total order ... err, no thanks :-)19:44
|Rhaha yes indeed...19:45
hullfandaninz: I had a couple of things slightly wrong :/ thanks for you help. It seems to be compiling again now.19:45
|Rit's going to be around 145 $ CAD/USD19:45
hullfandaninz: now to add loads more libraries.  wish me luck :)19:45
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|Rkorpios : the old and new code don't work?19:45
|Rthey're 9 digits long here... i originally chose france as canada was not an option :/19:46
korpios|R: I think I *only* got a "new" code; lemme double check19:47
sparrwwhat is the 770 lcd?  manufacturer, part #, specs, etc?19:47
korpios|R: yeah, I either deleted the original mail or never got it; the only code I have is the one with all the country store links (minus the US link which I received later)19:48
inzhullfandan, sdl-config should include -lSDL so you shouldn't need to add it19:50
inzhullfandan, but otherwise it looks correct19:50
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|Rok, i just wrote them, they better answer this time... or i'll start harassing that 1-800 number19:53
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TakI suspect harassment will get you nowhere19:59
|Rhehe ;)19:59
|Rthen i'll provoke them in duel! old fashion style! ;P19:59
|R(sorry, i just hate support frontlines where everyone is clueless about everything...)20:00
pupnik p7zip -d maemo-sdk-vmware_0.4.7z.00120:01
pupnik/usr/bin/p7zip: maemo-sdk-vmware_0.4.7z.001: unknown suffix -- ignored20:01
jbowesthe canadian store support people are subpar at best20:01
|Rjbowes : and i went for french as i'm in quebec, so i'm pretty sure that they have a harder time finding french speakers...20:01
|Rnext time i'll try english :)20:01
|Ri like how they ask for you cell phone number... what? :P20:02
jbowes|R: yeah it sounds like the call center is in the southern usa20:02
|Rhaha ok :)20:03
jbowesand granted, we did deport a large number of french speakers there from the east coast of canada, but that was a long time ago.20:03
pupnikahh ignore me, p7zip-full can do it20:04
|Rthat'd be in louisiane? :)20:04
|Racadians ...?20:04
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jbowesthat joke may have been in bad taste :)20:04
|Rhehe ;)20:04
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GEORGE_BGI whant to ask is it posible to boot directly from MMC KDE bypass hildon desktop20:19
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Takwow, finally got valaized xmaeme to build under bora20:23
Takno, vala20:24
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pupnikwhat's vala?20:24
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pupnikExtracting  maemo-sdk.vmdk20:28
pupnikERROR: E_FAIL20:28
TakI'm slightly concerned that it will bomb at runtime because I had to twiddle the vala source to deal with glib 2.820:28
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pupnikso did you rewrite xmaeme in vala, or was there an existing version that you're tweaking?20:30
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TakI did a quick port20:36
Takit was very easy20:36
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juergbiTak: valac requires glib >= 2.12 but your own vala application shouldn't need that new glib versions (except if you're using new glib api, of course)20:47
Takjuergbi: it emits code with stuff like g_object_ref_sink and g_param_spec_gtype20:50
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juergbiTak: oh, right. can you please file a bug with a test case?20:52
juergbigtg now, laters20:52
Takwill do20:52
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GEORGE_BGHI is it posible to boot directly KDE from mmc bypass hildon desktop20:53
MouseyGEORGE_BG: you mean like this?20:55
GEORGE_BGsec to see20:55
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GEORGE_BGMousey my idea is when i select to boot from mmc20:57
GEORGE_BGto boot directly in KDE becauce i think  hildon desktop is in backgrond and eat a little bit ram20:57
Mouseyoh, well the reason i paste that article is, according to the author [and the site he links to] you can't run KDE on the N8x0 without booting from the SD card.. which they also detail how to do20:58
GEORGE_BGno, i whant to run KDE from SD card but with out loading maemo desktop21:00
Mouseyyea, that's what they're doing, isn't it?21:00
GEORGE_BGmay be no21:01
GEORGE_BGyou clone OS 2008 to SD and install KDE21:01
Mouseylook at the link i just pasted, read the yellow text21:01
Mouseywell yea21:01
Mouseythat makes sense, it needs an OS21:01
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Mouseyi haven't done it yet, i'm waiting til i get an 8gb card. but once it's done, ps axf and see if any hildon processes are runinng21:02
Mouseyi'm not sure what drives the GUI.. if it's X11, i can't tell, doesn't seem like.. I can't find an Xorg.conf [heh, i can't find kernel modules either [i ar teh n00b!!]]21:02
GEORGE_BGwhat will do device after kill all hildon processes21:04
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GEORGE_BGDo you have problems with usb flash memory21:06
pupnikthe tablets use X1121:06
Meandrheh, i wonder where is rfcomm in OS 2008 :?21:06
GEORGE_BGDo someone have problems with flash memory "unable to connect,no file system available"21:09
GEORGE_BGMy windows format flash in FAT21:09
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Takvalaized xmaeme seems to run flawlessly on bora21:11
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j0ttyeah ITs run a xorg with "--disable-xorgconfig" and "--disable-muchmorestuff" ;)21:12
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pupnikTak: so vala makes maintenance/changes less time consuming for you?21:12
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j0ttpupnik: instead of foo_bar_method( FOO_BAR_PSEUDOCLASS_CAST( moo ), value)   you do moo.method(value) ;-)21:15
Takplus then I would easily be able to add, say, a Launcher base class that performs all the boilerplate and only have to implement a function or two to add a new launcher21:15
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pupnikwb AD-N77021:19
AD-N770hi pupnik21:20
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Takdo firefox extensions work with microb?21:47
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jsmithTak: No, I don't believe they do21:47
doc|workyou can get greasemonkey and adblock for microb, adblock seems not to be working for me though21:48
|R /clear21:49
j0ttadblock works here but is somehow slow (esp. on startup)21:50
korpiosoooh, greasemonkey and adblock on a mobile browser?  I swear, not having equivalents on mobile Safari makes the web ... ugly.21:51
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Takyeah, adblock's what I was hoping for21:52
Takalthough if it's slow, that kind of defeats the purpose21:52
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|Ronly slow to start for me21:53
doc|workit's not slow, just seems... ineffective :) besides, if it works then I'd expect it to be quicker for browsing21:53
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Takmeh, slow to start is just as bad as slow in general21:55
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* j0tt uses it anyway21:58
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eijkDoes anyone of you know why modest is continously running?22:02
eijkI tried to kill it, but after a few minutes it runs again...22:02
Sho_Good to read that the power on/off enigma is supposedly software-fixable22:02
eijkI'd like to know what is spawning it. The parent PID is 1...22:03
inzeijk, I would guess the one spawning is alarmd22:06
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eijkinz, but why should it restart modest?22:08
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inzeijk, because modest has asked it to22:18
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eijkinz, ok found it in /var/lib/alarmd/22:18
inzeijk, yeah, you can remove the event by editing the alarm_queue.xml, just remember to restart alarmd after modifying it22:20
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eijkinz, yes, just did it. Thanks!22:26
eijkinz, first deactivated automatic checking in modest but this didn't remove the alarm...22:27
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richieeee72Hi, anyone here have an N810? I'm curious about a band I can see on the touchscreen22:30
jsmithI have an n81022:30
inzeijk, then there is a bug in modest ;)22:30
pupnik810richieeee72  on youtube?22:31
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richieeee72jsmith, please can you do me a favour. With the screen off, can you hold put the screen under lamp, do you see a band (not muscial:)) in the middle, running top to bottom?22:32
jsmithrichieeee72: I don't see anything like that22:34
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gnutoni ve bought my n 810 yesterday.22:35
richieeee72jsmith, It is quite subtle and only when under a bright light. I was curious what it was. Thanks for looking.22:36
gnutontoday i ve discovered that sometime the hardware keyboard doesn work.22:36
gnutonalso the lock switch doesn t work.22:37
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pupnik810ok  noscript plugin for n81022:40
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lcuk_2gnuton, this might be the wrong question, but under what circumstances would you be examining your 810 under a bright light with it turned off?  though i did myself try it and cannot replicate your situation i think it might be a shadow coming from the lighting element in the back of the screen which when the light is on would not be visible22:45
* lcuk_2 breathes22:45
* lcuk_2 changes gnuton to richieeee72 and apologises to gnuton for having the same color name22:46
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blahdeblahHi.  Does anyone know whether i need to be careful in choosing SD card speeds to work with my N800?  I'm thinking of getting a couple of standard speed 2 GB SD cards for use in my two slots.22:48
pupnik810std works fine22:49
blahdeblahWhat about other speeds?22:50
richieeee72lcuk_2, just by chance. I've got an ultra bright light from Ikea and could see the band. Other lighting is fine.22:50
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richieeee72I reckon it's a ribbon cable22:51
blahdeblahpupnik810: What about things like SDHC, Ultra SDHC, Class6?  I'd never heard of any of them until i started looking for a card recently.22:51
lcuk_2the only thing with the screen i have noticed is that on the right hand side there is a dimmer area and the touch sensitivity is less than the rest of the screen - try using a program with pressure sensitivity to see the effect.22:51
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lcuk_2its not enough to not register a tap, but its less than the rest of the screen22:52
pupnik810blah  check itt forums22:52
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blahdeblahitt forums?22:53
gnuton_hi i ve a problem with my n810. sometimes the hw keyboard doesn t work, and when i try to reboot the device the power on button doesnt work. if i remove the battery it works again.22:54
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lcuk_2gnuton, other people have seen the power on failure (looks like something with the charging software getting knickers in a twist)22:55
richieeee72lcuk2, just tried it, yeah I get a sound 'tap' from the screen but the scroll bar in the browser doesn't always move, more software, than screen that seems on mine.22:55
lcuk_2there are bug reports on maemo and discussions on itt22:55
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Taksweet, the n810 comes with knickers?!22:55
* Tak can't wait for code to work now22:56
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lcuk_2rich, thats most likely the browser just being busy than anything - if there is a click it registered (though whether its stayed registered is another matter)22:56
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lcuk_2if it wasnt clicking properly you would get a machine gun noise as it clicks multiple times22:57
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lcuk_2get a drawing program (the built in nokia one doesnt touch the edges..) like maemopad+ or something22:57
lcuk_2i found out when i was getting my own working22:57
lcuk_2whats best way to upload a picture and show you what i mean?22:58
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gnuton_i hope that it will be fixed..22:59
lcuk_2its not a software bug - its a limitation in the touch device - wires *have* to go somewhere to connect the screen to the device and they intefere electrically with the touch element (or thats what used to happen with my homemade touchscreen laptop)23:00
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lcuk_2it works well enough to register taps but its not a smooth pressure level23:01
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Meandrheh, that really joke from OS2008: kismet works well with wifi, but fully fail to work with gpsd23:01
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lcuk_2which imagehosts do people use here ?23:04
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lcuk_2need an account dont i23:05
richieeee72lcuk2, ok, thanks. I'll give maemopad+ a go23:05
lcuk_2just a quickupload and share url site23:06
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richieeee72lcuk2, another quick N810 hardware Q23:07
richieeee72my N810 keyboard lights up when dark, but I have a distinctively brighter 'P' than other keys? Is this the same on yours?23:08
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cbx33hey guys23:08
cbx33does memo-wordpy work for anyone with an n810?23:09
eijk_richie*: Yes, same for me.23:09
lcuk_2rich, yer some keys are brighter than others23:11
lcuk_2P and R are brightest23:11
cbx33wordpy does nothing here23:11
lcuk_2and W23:11
cbx33and from the terminal gives no output what so23:11
richieeee72lcuk2, ok, cool, thanks for your reassurance23:14
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cbx33pupnik, wordpy work for you?23:26
maddlerlcuk_2: same here... P is brighter...23:27
maddlerit seems to me that's because the "emitter" is closer to that key...23:27
lcuk_2i wish it would emit for a longer period...23:28
pupnik810what is wordpy23:28
lcuk_2its like when you bake a dictionary23:29
lcuk_2Maemo WordPy is a offline Wordpress client.23:29
lcuk_2With this application you will be able to use your Internet Tablet (Nokia 770 or Nokia N800) for write in your Wordpress blog.23:29
* lcuk_2 hugs google23:29
cbx33i thought wordpy was a well know maemo app23:30
lcuk_2i saw it on the isntall list and bypassed it because it mentioned the word blog23:30
lcuk_2speaking of app manager - when browsing why does the second description line cut off half way along and not show the whole line of description.  it forces a slowdown by having to read the rest with the details button23:32
|tbb|is there a documentation about what a conf key stays for23:34
Takthey don't want one description to fill the whole screen?23:35
desrtso these rumours about canadians successfully ordering a device were just rumours?23:37
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lcuk_2i was browsing around my filesystem last night and found the bluetooth logs, does anyone know where they are (i can't find them now)23:42
lophyte /var/log ?23:43
lcuk_2no empty, i was having a good rummage through and found a list of devices i have connected to in the past but its not in /var/log23:44
lcuk_2ahhh var/lib/bluetooth :D23:44
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lcuk_2arghhhhh fbreader is broken   - i updated yesterday and now my books are looping between page 2-3 and page 9-10.   when i try to move beyond page 10 it rolls back to 923:56
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Tama^2it's a feature23:56
lcuk_2make sure i remember a passage23:56
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lcuk_2rolls back to 3 i meant btw23:56
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lcuk_2its annoying because i dunno how it could possibly happen23:57
lcuk_2i thought it was corrupt so i opened the file (its a text doc) in notes and its ok23:57
lcuk_2its the same for all books23:58

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