IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2008-01-16

czryeah, I did some small builds only, so can't vouch for the correctness yet00:00
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hachishould I worry much if osso-software-version (the version pining to 50-2) is going to be removed?00:02
hachiI get the feeling that I shouldn't worry too much, but I dunno00:02
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hachioh, this thing wants to install e2fslibs and progs, this is useless00:02
cbx33is it as easy to R+D mode on n810?00:03
jottczr: hmm.. this also affects some other places (dpkg-buildpackage still fails as it seems)00:03
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czrjott, 'still fails'?00:05
jottyeah, a dir with "" still produces the error (as in "inthebox" is not the only place to fix)00:06
ds3okay, either is a bug in BT kb support in OS2008 or I am doing something very wrong - what would cause the OSK to be disappear (even though there is no active BT keyboard for over 2 hours) and cause the lock screen/key to not happen when it thinks it is idle00:06
czrjott, ahh. interesting00:06
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czrjott, added the info00:10
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jottyeah let's see if there will be some response :) thanks00:11
p|any financial app for os2008 ?00:11
czrjott, yup. joined sbox as well.00:11
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zeEezCan anyone point me to a page that list what the n800 buttons reprenent (like dpad center is F8 or something)00:13
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czrzeEez, those are listed in the maemo sdk tutorial00:17
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pickl1anyone seen this error in scratchbox: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.00:17
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jottczr: got a real fix (see #scratchbox)00:19
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dhdds3: I've had the same problem00:22
dhdif I am using a BT keyboard, then I take the N800 out of range, it won't switch back to the OSK (at least sometimes)00:23
dhdeven if I remove the BT keyboard from the Bluetooth configuration00:23
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czrpickl1, did sbox work before?00:25
czrI mean, have you ever used it succesfully?00:25
pickl1yes i had a helloworld going ok00:25
czrdid you do anything after that?00:26
pickl1and just built an app for x8600:26
czrhow did you install the ARMEL target?00:26
pickl1just followed the instructions in the sdk00:26
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czrdescribe your environment00:27
pickl1ubuntu gutsy with chinook first release sdk00:28
czrwhich arch00:28
czralso, do you still have the error (and was it verbatim copy pasted)00:28
pickl1yes, is it ok to paste here?00:28
czrcan you pastebin the whole command invocation and output00:28
czr(not paste here, but use
pickl1i'll have a look00:29
czrcopy-paste it there, then press send, then give me the url here00:29
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pickl1cheers - its
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czrtry building a small C hello world in ARMEL side00:31
pickl1will do00:31
czrif that works (and runs), the problem is in the software configure script00:31
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czrif hello world fails as well, then your setup is broken (somehow)00:32
* lcuk_3 doesn't like pastebin normally, its great that it keeps irc clean but the default is a 1 month retention - irc logs last much longer...00:32
czrlcuk_3, better pastebin than spamming channels00:32
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lcuk_3100% agree00:32
lcuk_3its the retention period that bothers me00:32
czryou can switch the retention period00:33
czralthough I guess no one does :-)00:33
lcuk_3yer you know that and i do because we look, but lots dont00:33
* czr nods00:33
czrI guess another issue would be storage space requirements00:34
czralthough I don't know how pastebin is sponsored00:34
lcuk_3as with all things00:34
lcuk_3i tried looking when i started noticing links to it00:34
pickl1czr: helloworld compiles ok00:35
czrpickl1, try a simpler autotools package then00:35
czrI'd guess there's a problem in the configure script of jive00:35
czrat least the command line looks very weird00:36
czrusing --host and --target etc..00:36
czryou're not supposed to need those in ARMEL target in sbox00:36
pickl1it all built fine for x8600:36
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pickl1and ran in xephyr00:36
pickl1is it normal to need two versions?00:36
LinuxCodewhy doesnt the email client find the right certificate00:37
LinuxCodeI imported the certs00:37
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ds3dhd: any workarounds?00:41
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czrpickl1, two versions of what?00:55
czrpickl1, X86 is meant for development. the armel side only for final building (not testing)00:56
czrpickl1, although a lot of people build on arm and test directly on the device00:56
czrbuild on armel even.00:56
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pickl1two versions of the makefile00:57
czrnormally not00:57
czrdepends on the build system that the project is using really00:57
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czrprojects that use autotools don't use makefiles normally (directly) or use automake or similar other tools00:58
czrand people who write makefiles fluently normally use only one makefile (but require GNU make or similar to run it)00:58
JussiPBut autotools syntax is enough to make a grown man eat his own head.00:59
cbx33what the heck....00:59
cbx33what card type fits in the n81001:00
cbx33I don't seem to have anything that fits01:00
cbx33now I have to buy a minisd one01:01
czrah. I was late01:01
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GeneralAntillesYou didn't know this going in?01:01
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LinuxCodeany of you guys using certificates to sign email on the N800 or N810 ?01:05
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fricbx33, you could buy a MicroSD with adapter, to be sure to use it in other devices too01:06
LinuxCodecbx33, in the Uk you can get a micro one for £40 8GB01:07
cbx33i just have sd cards01:07
|tbb|oh nokia announce .....something really bad01:07
cbx33LinuxCode, will 8Gb work with the n810?01:07
LinuxCodecomes with sd adapter01:07
LinuxCodeshould do01:07
LinuxCodeI will get one myself01:08
LinuxCodehowever, I still have loads of space here hehe01:08
|tbb|they closed a manufactory in bochum (germany)  2300 employers without work then.01:08
LinuxCodethats because Germans are too expensive...01:08
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LinuxCodeguess why Germanies economy aint good01:09
LinuxCode35hour weeks and all lol01:09
LinuxCodenot an economic reality Im afraid...01:09
|tbb|not all01:09
* LinuxCode cries01:10
LinuxCodeimported certificates..and I dont get why the email client wont see them01:10
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* |tbb| wonder if it has something to do with the discount code nokia had spend01:11
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pupnik_cbx33: has kingston 4gb class 6 miniSD for 22 euro01:12
pupnik_i tried it out in the store01:13
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hyphnbrb (not that i've actually said anything!)01:14
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LinuxCodesweet fbreader can read chm01:15
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jottpupnik_: would you suggest to use the kingston? they also have a transcend that is supposed to do 7/8MB/s instead of 6/6MB/s...01:21
pupnik_yes they did not have the transcend in stock, i was going to purchase it to do a speed comparison01:22
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hyphnare there any hardcore twitter'rs here?01:23
jottyeah i just got a 1gb card atm (and need a bigger one).. but the alternate prices seem quite ok..01:23
hyphni'm using my 70001:24
hyphn770, he, as my main twitter device01:24
hyphnwish th01:24
hyphnhate this on-screen k/b sometimes!01:25
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|tbb|how can i change shortcuts of osso-browser like ctrl+l for open location to any other key01:27
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pupnik_cool, i can start sdl games under os2008 with just a regular .desktop link01:42
johnxhmm...maybe I'll try to compile LTris then (unless someone has beaten me to it?)01:42
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johnxwell...that was a painless compile01:45
johnxI wonder if it runs...01:46
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lcuk_3does anyone know if the google gmail interface works well on 8x0?  would it just be a case of changing the browser ident thingy01:52
johnxwow...that works great01:52
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johnxlcuk_3, do you mean the default gmail interface? or the basic html interface? or the gmail interface for a different device?01:53
johnxEsotic, hi01:53
Esoticanybody know the exact processor model for the N800?01:53
EsoticI'm trying to investigate the architecture  :)01:53
LinuxCodeEsotic, its on nokias site01:53
LinuxCodesame as n81001:54
lcuk_3john, google have released an interface specifically for iphone with big fonts and clearer layout for restricted size01:54
lcuk_3they say just browse to it from the iphone01:54
LinuxCodelcuk_3, ehh01:54
LinuxCodedont need that on the N81001:54
johnxlcuk_3, you didn't mention that at first :P01:54
lcuk_3crap! i was sure i mentioned iphone at first sorry01:55
johnxno prob01:55
lcuk_3i did on the first revision lol01:55
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LinuxCodewhy would you need that anyway ?!?!01:55
LinuxCodejust set the zoom level01:55
lcuk_3and if i set it to basic html it works well, but then every device with my login uses basic01:55
lcuk_3i played with zoom and it was fiddly01:56
lcuk_3so i just stick with everything on 100% (min font size adjusted though)01:56
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johnxI find gmail imap to work great with modest01:56
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johnxhmm...actually I don't think that's the new one...but it's much faster01:58
lcuk_3yer it is, its the total minimum one, but i will try it now01:59
GeneralAntillesEsotic, if you didn't get it: OMAP242002:00
lophytegmail has imap now?02:00
johnxlophyte, yeah. it works great, too.02:00
Esotici saw that listed somewhere, but i also saw a page on the ARM site
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johnxEsotic, as I understand it: ARM11 is a family, OMAP2420 is the chipset, and Armv6tej is the instruction set02:02
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johnxEsotic, want the contents of cat /proc/cpuinfo or dmesg?02:04
EsoticI'm just doing some investigating.  I've done ASM/SIMD for x86 and am wondering if I can port some of that knowledge to n800 development02:05
Esoticare those commands I can use in a shell on the n800?02:05
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johnxEsotic, yes. Sorry. I assumed you were familiar with Linux. those commands tell you info about the CPU and provide the "boot log" respectively02:07
EsoticI used Linux in college and am just getting back into it since getting my N800 for Christmas  :)02:07
Esoticwell, Unix in college, anyhow02:08
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Esoticwhat I'm really looking for is some reference material for the instruction set02:10
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|tbb|johnx, hmmh really fast the mail/x/ url02:12
johnxEsotic, Armv6 would probably be the search term to use in that case02:12
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Esoticso are you developing for the nokia tablets?02:13
johnxEsotic, nah. I just hack around and package stuff from time to time.02:14
* |tbb| everytime wonders how fast the search of messages returns your result if u use googles search messages function02:14
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Esotici've been doing visual studio development in windows for years, and am having to learn some processes for this environment02:15
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Mikhohello. Would someone know why the web browser in 770 insists on opening .deb files as text?02:16
johnxMikho, is it from every site? or just one?02:16
Mikhodon't know02:17
johnxit could be an incorrent mime-type setting on the site or some problem with mime-type settings on your 77002:17
infobotjohnx meant: it could be an incorrect mime-type setting on the site or some problem with mime-type settings on your 77002:17
ustunozgurMikho : as a temp. fix, try right clicking and saving the deb.02:18
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Mikhohow can I right click with the stylus?02:19
johnxMikho, tap and hold02:19
lcuk_3nearest to right click is hold it down02:19
johnxEsotic, Linux/Unix is pretty different than Windows. Do you have a desktop machine running Linux or a Linux vmware image on WIndows to do dev work in?02:19
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EsoticI installed Debian on one of my athlon boxes using an external SATA so I can dual boot02:21
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EsoticI got the Scratchbox and Xypher setup and ran through some "Hello, World" stuff02:22
MikhoI don't think I had this problem before02:22
johnxMikho, which site is giving you problems? Does the browser on your desktop try to open the same .deb as text?02:23
Mikhothere's no save option in the "right click" menu02:23
johnxMikho, "Save target as..."02:23
johnxMikho, you have to make sure that you tap and hold *exactly on the link*02:24
EsoticI had some free time at work today and was doing some investigating, which lead to my questions.  I'm kinda jumping the gun as I know so little about Linux development, but I like coding in assembly, so there you go  :)02:24
johnxI've run into a situation a couple times where I thought I had clicked on the link but had actually clicked the background02:24
Mikhothere's "open", "open in new window" "add link to bookmarks" and "copy link location"02:24
Mikhobut no save target02:25
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lcuk_3are you on the device now or are you typing from your desktop02:25
johnxMikho, hmm...I don't have a 770. I figured it would be the same as the browser on the n80002:25
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MikhoI have a windows machine and my 770 here02:25
MikhoIt's a bit hard to try to open the deb from my pc02:25
lcuk_3if the link isnt too long, type it here02:26
johnxhmm? you can't just click the link and see if it downloads it or tries to open it as text?02:26
ustunozgurMikho: or if you have wget, you can copy the location and wget that.02:26
|tbb|GeneralAntilles: r u around02:26
GeneralAntillesSorta. Playing Tremulous.02:27
johnxMikho, it's a problem with the web server02:27
johnxthey don't have the mime-type for .deb setup right02:27
MikhoI'd be happy if I could just download it02:28
Mikhobut I can't find the option anywhere02:28
johnxwell, I don't have a 770 in my hands right now. I was sure it would have a "save target as..." option but I guess not02:29
johnxtry letting the whole .deb load as a text file then click the menu -> Web page -> Save as...02:29
Mikhowell, it has worked pretty well before02:30
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MikhoIt seems the deb will get corrupted if I save it as text02:30
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|tbb|is the short version of mikho url02:31
johnxMikho, I don't think it will02:31
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|tbb|anyway gnite02:32
johnxMikho, I just tested and it doesn't corrupt it02:32
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johnxexactly the same md5sum as a direct download02:32
Mikhook, for some other reason I'm unable to install the deb02:33
deangwianyone here successfully pair a dell or ? bt-309 or308 gps?02:33
johnxMikho, problems with dependencies?02:33
Mikhodpkg -i the deb file gives weird error messages02:34
johnxMikho, put them on pastebin and I'll look at them02:35
Mikhodpkg-deb (subprocess):short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy)02:35
Mikhodpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 202:35
johnxthat's interesting02:35
johnxI don't know how to solve that...but I ran into the same error once02:36
Mikhoand it has worked perfectly before02:36
Mikhonever seen this error02:36
Mikhoit works in the emulator just fine02:36
johnxmaybe opera on the 770, did manage to corrupt the file then?02:36
johnxsorry, I'm at a loss02:36
Mikhoright.. .the deb is half the size02:37
Mikhomy opera has gone mad02:37
Mikhooh, ok... I was supposed to open the text file and wait until it has loaded completely before selecting save page as...02:39
Mikhomanaged to install the software, but my opera is still acting strange :/02:39
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johnxwell, I can tell you that the reason the .deb appeared as text is a problem with their webserver02:40
johnxit appeared as text on firefox on my desktop as well02:40
MikhoI see02:40
Mikhois there anything I could do about it?02:40
johnxask the person who runs the webserver to fix it02:42
Mikhooh well, thanks for advice. It was helpful to know saving it from the text screen doesn't corrupt the package02:42
johnxsure...I've run into the same problem before and had to use that trick more than once :)02:43
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Mikhobut I still wonder why it doesn't offer the download option directly02:45
johnxyou mean from the "tap and hold" menu? or why the website doesn't work?02:46
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Mikhothe tap and hold menu02:57
Mikhoit's pretty usual the admins keep changing settings without telling me02:57
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LinuxCodeis it just me or is mplayer way more responsive on the N81003:37
LinuxCodethan the player nokia supplies03:37
GeneralAntillesPretty much.03:37
LinuxCodehought it was just me..03:37
LinuxCodeway better03:37
GeneralAntillesLot more optimization03:38
GeneralAntillesand a lot of optimization that Nokia couldn't really do with their media player.03:38
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zerojayHow is mplayer more responsive? It doesn't have a UI?03:39
LinuxCodeok I guess Im dreaming then03:40
LinuxCodeGMPlayer interface03:40
LinuxCodeits fake03:40
LinuxCodeyou are all asleep03:40
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alteregoCool, got a USB WiFi dongle running on my N810 :)04:26
* alterego is happy.04:26
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johnxalterego, what are you doing for power?04:26
alteregoPowered USB hub04:26
lcuk_3alter, is that for when you need double speed connection?04:26
alteregolcuk_3, yes .. I'm gonna do ether bonding ..04:27
alteregoHeh, only kidding.04:27
alteregoIt's for promisc mode.04:27
lcuk_3so was i, why on earth do you need it04:27
johnxyou could do packet injection with it, then sniff from the built-in wifi I guess04:27
alteregoMy job entails quite a bit of network discovery.04:27
lcuk_3i fscked my usb and made my 810 reboot with just a keyboard yesterday04:27
alteregoI made my N810 hang earlier by insmod'ing the wrong module ^_^04:28
johnxhopefully they'll continue to iron out the USB issues going forward04:28
lcuk_3the keyboard worked really well at first, BUT it couldnt handle chording04:29
lcuk_3(i experimented)04:29
lcuk_3on the powered hub its fine, but if i bashed more than one key with it direct it went over power04:29
lcuk_3it must have just been on the cusp04:29
lcuk_3i got a plainjane keyboard as well, didnt want it doin any of the fancy multimedia key processing04:30
lcuk_3linux question: i think i know my root password, but since i dont need it for anything now (its saved in the couple of places i needed it) how can i test and check04:31
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johnxyou could try logging in over ssh04:32
lcuk_3connection details are saved04:32
lcuk_3tell you what, ill type it here and you can remotely check its ok04:32
johnxhey! that's the same as my root password!04:33
lcuk_3:O04:33 could always reset it with passwd after you're logged in as root04:33
lcuk_3thats "passwd" isnt it04:33
lcuk_3oh crap04:34
lcuk_3helps if i read properly04:34's ok. but I was very confused for a couple seconds04:34
lcuk_3thanks ill check it first - i know on the 810 keyboard i had to use a different one04:34
lcuk_3cant stand it now, the more i use it the more i wishes nokia had included better layout04:35
lcuk_3missing tab, no pipe on single key04:37
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johnxthe zaurus c3x00/1000 is an example of this "better" you speak of04:37
lcuk_3ive used smaller keyboards better04:37
pupnik_Are most users of N810 *nix shell hackers?04:38
johnxno, neither was that the target market of the Zaurus04:38
johnxsome people like to type numbers or indent their text though04:38
pupnik_Anyway, i want to make some changes for mine also (pipe, alt, tab)04:38
pupnik_is xmodmap the way to do it, or something else?04:39
lcuk_3tab i am going to change to dpad centre04:39
lcuk_3but that will fck other people up who use it04:39
johnxxmodmap would do it on a normal Linux. I have no idea on maemo04:39
pupnik_then map the enter key to the carriage return as well, and not the numpad enter04:39
lcuk_3Nokia-N810-50-2:~# w00t04:39
* johnx has an N80004:39
t_s_oi think i read a blog entry on planet about someone doing just those changes using xmodmap...04:40
pupnik_btw, my OS2006 SDL apps run on OS2008, but the Fn key doesn't wokr04:40
lcuk_3i think xmodmap will work - i read articles about it working but at the time i hadnt done gainroot04:40
johnxyou shouldn't need to gainroot04:40
pupnik_thx t_s_o - if anyone finds a howto please paste the link04:40
lcuk_3they were discussing other things - an rx-44 keyboard layout file or something, it needed root to modify04:41
t_s_ohrmf, thats the one thing is missing, a search ;)04:41
t_s_ooh wait, google blogsearch :D04:41
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lcuk_3thats the one i read... and the comment explains the way i tried04:44
lcuk_3thanks for digging up i was hunting my shortcuts04:44
t_s_onp, just entered xmodmap and n810 into google blogsearch and it was the first one there04:45
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lcuk_3hmmm firefox threw it into the default bin folder04:46
* pupnik_ awards t_s_o two internets for the useful link04:46
lcuk_3am i the only person who saves thousands of links04:47
johnxlcuk_3, yes04:47
GeneralAntillesUsed to04:47
lcuk_3lol - i leave breadcrumbs of anything along the way and can normally find things04:47
GeneralAntillesthen I realized I never used them again04:47
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GeneralAntillesand couldn't find things I wanted.04:47
johnxsame here04:48
lcuk_3i keep a list of about 15 useful ones but the rest are just in case04:48
GeneralAntillesNever really got into, either.04:48
johnxI also realized that more often than not it was quicker to re-google something than to dig through my bookmarks04:48
johnxI really, really tried to like delicious04:48
lcuk_3normally its not too bad because i can look and see at a glance which night it was04:48
ThomasMI wish they hadn't replaced the capslock key on OS2008 with a language selector. That really belongs in a menu, not where functionality has been removed.04:48
GeneralAntillesThe pages I visit often are set up as shortcuts in OmniWeb04:49
lcuk_3for ages i had a homebuilt page with everything useful04:49
lcuk_3was quick as well04:50
GeneralAntillesQuite a cool feature. Type "itt" for, etc. Do searches with "imdb <search>".04:50
ThomasMI use yubnub.org04:50
ThomasMVery similar.04:50
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ThomasM(Even switched the microbrowser to default to it on my N800, so that I can type 'wp Foo' and search Wikipedia for "Foo".)04:51
t_s_oheh, if find myself recalling the "content" of the page im looking for, but cant get google to figure out the exact page, instead giving me just about anything else04:51
lcuk_3that riles me04:51
lcuk_3i remember the layout more than specific words04:51
GeneralAntillesYeah, I do that pretty often, too, t_s_o.04:51
lcuk_3i know theres a picture there and the text is over there04:51
* lcuk_3 can tell most common webpages from 40 paces04:52
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lcuk_3they change so much text wise they arent memorable04:53
t_s_ohow was it one disabled the "smart" scrolling in the browser again?04:53
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GeneralAntillesThere's a bugzilla bug on it, t_s_o.04:54
GeneralAntillesdpad, d-pad, or d pad or somesuch04:54
GeneralAntillesor just search for "snav" in the comments.04:54
GeneralAntillesIt's a WONTFIX04:54
ThomasMt_s_o: That where it scrolls from link to link?04:55
ThomasMIf you're using opera, you can fix it by editing the config file from xterm.04:56
ThomasMI'd like to find a fix for the microb running on OS2K8.04:56
lcuk_3would it be in the about:config thing?04:56
ThomasMI've looked with no luck.04:56
VulcanisThomasM: Thought that was what the 2008 browser was based off of04:56
ThomasMMaybe a setting to add.04:56
ThomasMVulcanis: It is. Quite nice, really. Full gmail and all that.04:57
* GeneralAntilles sighs.04:57
GeneralAntillesSee the comments.04:57
ThomasMDoing so now, thank you.04:58
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* lcuk_3 will try that as well, thanks gen04:59
lcukoooh thanks lc ;)05:00
lcukoh thanks lc ;)05:00
lcuk_3damn mini kb05:00
ThomasMJust disabling snav is all I wanted. Didn't really want a page down/page up.05:00
t_s_ohmm, have anyone gotten msn to work with the chat beta?05:01
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ustunozgurt_s_o: yes05:03
lcuk_3gen - are you still using the brightness mod from rm?05:04
lcuk_3you have a later one dont you05:05
lcuk_3where abouts is he based, so ill know when he may be on05:05
lcuk_3(if you know)05:05
GeneralAntillesUS, I think05:05
GeneralAntillesUsually later at night.05:06
lcuk_3yer ill grab him later in the week its not vital05:06
lcuk_3one other thing...05:06
lcuk_3do you ever sleep - you seem to be floating about more than me and i barely ever sleep05:07
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* lcuk_3 thinks gen is an android :P05:07
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GeneralAntilles'course I do. :P05:08
GeneralAntillesMy cat IRCs for me when I sleep.05:08
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, I wish my cat did that05:08
LinuxCodeinstead he still hasnt understood the principal of catching mice inside and taking them out..05:09
LinuxCodeinstead he brings them in05:09
lcuk_3thats good then - ive seen you in more logs than anyone, you are great asset for the nokias :)05:09
johnxand so is your cat :D05:09
lcuk_3gen's cat has taught gen to bring him mice on a platter05:10
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GeneralAntillesIt's my big push to get myself a discount code for the N900. :P05:10
lcuk_3with usb cables removed of course05:10
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, ok..make a vmware dev image then05:10
LinuxCodeso people can go straight to compiling stuff05:11
GeneralAntillesNo machines to run it on.05:11
lcuk_3well if thats your game i think i will tie up a brainwave interface and work towards a t9000 ;)05:11
GeneralAntilles*over here.05:11
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LinuxCodelets see if these scripts do something nasty05:12
billhhello friends05:12
LinuxCodeId really like a scratchbox dev environment05:12
LinuxCodefor the N81005:12
* LinuxCode clicks05:12
lcuk_3hello bill05:12
lcuk_3yer linux05:12
LinuxCodelcuk_3, will you marry me ?05:12
lcuk_3all ready for you05:12
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lcuk_3get in line, my missus is first05:13
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LinuxCodeok not literally of course05:13
pupnik_that was an unintended juxtaposition05:13
lcuk_3linux, that vmware image is supposed to be fully ready for you. i didnt get far enough in but i know others have done great things with it05:14
pupnik_i'm seeding it05:14
LinuxCodelcuk_3, sweet I will download it at uni tomorrow05:14
* LinuxCode bookmarks05:14
LinuxCodetheres a few core apps id like to package app05:14
LinuxCodecore as in that I use a lot05:15
LinuxCodexchat for instance05:15
LinuxCodeamsn...stuff like that05:15
lcuk_3xchat is already avail05:15
LinuxCodelcuk_3, wont install on the N81005:15
LinuxCodemissing deps05:15
lcuk_3ive got it05:15
* GeneralAntilles sighs again.05:15
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lcuk_3lol gen - why isnt that in default repo yet05:15
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, is that your stuff ?05:15
lcuksee liinux05:16
GeneralAntillesI guess because it's "beta"05:16
GeneralAntillesNo, not mine, LinuxCode.05:16
lcukenough ppl use it tho05:16
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GeneralAntillesIt's never once crashed on me.05:16
johnxso I figured I'd be terribly clever and compile and drop it in place so I could use alsasink from gstreamer on my N800...and the presense of that file put my device into a reboot loop05:17
lcuk_3im gonna vanish - work in the morning and still a few pages to read tonight05:18
LinuxCodenn lcuk_3 ;-D05:18
LinuxCodeI should go too actually05:18
pupnik_the n810 is better-looking than my last two girlfriends05:18
LinuxCode3:18 am05:18
pupnik_still no /dev/dsp though05:18
LinuxCodepupnik_, haha05:18
lcuk_3lol linux, if your not careful my missus will make you a pink furry 810 case05:18
LinuxCodelcuk_3, did you see the standard case mate ?05:19
billhon OS2008, is there a trick to using an icon for an application? I've added it to the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon, and put what I think are the right size version icons in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/apps dir (also tried 26x26 and scalable dirs), but they don't show up in the gui. also ran gtk-update-icon-cache, but that didn't help05:19
LinuxCodeits almost pink and furry05:19
LinuxCodeok its actually not that bad05:19
lcuk_3i did yer until i let her borrow it yesterday - she fluffin lost it05:19
lcuk_3mine was blue05:19
LinuxCodeohh ;-|05:19
LinuxCodeyeh mine too05:19
LinuxCodeturquoise ish05:19
lcuk_3and its now MIA05:19
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lcuk_3i cant put it in pocket anymore05:19
LinuxCodethanks again for the hints05:19
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lcuk_3nite all05:20
LinuxCodepupnik_, I love the N81005:20
LinuxCodehad mine today05:20
johnx'night lcuk_305:20
pupnik_billh sorry i don't have details on it - my dosbox 0.72 icon works and launches it just fine05:20
LinuxCodeits astoningly easy to use the qwert keybaord05:20
LinuxCodewell the function key needs moving05:20
LinuxCodeapart from that its awesome05:20
pupnik_LinuxCode: i like it too, but don't have experience with other thumb keyboards05:21
LinuxCodemaybe im just too crippled with my hands to use the Fn key05:21
billhpupnik_, this is an icon that you put on the system? where did you put it, and what was it's size?05:21
pupnik_ 13177 bytes05:23
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billhthanks. by size, I mean the height and width?05:24
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billhok, I'll try that05:25
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johnxgah! why should adding a gstreamer plugin end up with the system being in a reboot loop. Sometimes I don't think Nokia thought this whole watchdog thing through O_o05:30
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johnxit's time like this that I'm really happy I cloned my root to SD card05:33
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johnxdoes anyone have an idea on why adding a gstreamer plugin would cause a reboot loop?05:40
johnxis watchdog somehow able to sense that sound output is broken?05:41
GeneralAntillesSomething it monitors crashes.05:44
GeneralAntillesSo, you did something wrong.05:44
johnxright. I figure that alsasink somehow becomes the default audiosink and something can't cope with that...05:46
johnxis there some documentation on what watchdog monitors? or even where it gets launched from?05:46
johnxI guess I could just use RD mode to disable it entirely but I would really like to this work "the right way"05:47
johnxah, probably launched from initfs05:48
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zerojayNokia slashes 2300 jobs.05:56
zerojayNot good.05:56
t_s_otheir german factory, right?05:57
zerojayI guess.05:57
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shackanzerojay: ugh, not good at all06:07
GeneralAntillesAre they just moving the factory elsewhere?06:08
johnxRomania isn't it?06:08
GeneralAntillesIf they're moving it someplace without ridiculous labor laws, then it's a good thing for the consumer.06:08
GeneralAntillesMeans less expensive tablets for us.06:08
zerojayRomania = bad.06:10
johnxhmm...actually I can't find out where I read that now06:10
zerojayI deal with them constantly.06:10
johnxso take it with a grain of salt06:10
zerojayAnd they all pretty much suck at anything remotely programming or electronics-related.06:10
GeneralAntillesNow there's a sweeping generalization if I've ever heard one. :P06:10
johnxnm, " to shift much of the production capacity from Bochum to a new plant at Cluj, Romania after deciding labour costs are too high in Germany..."06:10
zerojayGeneralAntilles: It used to be one. It's not anymore.06:11
zerojayThey get paid next to nothing.06:11
zerojay$500 a month is enough to live like a king there.06:11
zerojayI know some people seriously considering moving there for that reason.06:12
johnxwell, that's globalization for ya'06:12
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desrti'm a canadian and we're a little slow here, eh?06:13
zerojayYes, we are... indeed.06:13
desrtzerojay; you in the device programme?06:13
* desrt is randomly wondering what's going on.....06:14
zerojayI've pretty much given up.06:14
desrthave you tried using your code lately?06:14
zerojayAnd I'm almost to that point with the whole tablet platform too.06:14
desrtzerojay; woh dude.  chill out06:15
desrttablets are awesome :)06:15
GeneralAntillesCrippled by a support group of idiots.06:15's not nearly as bad as sharp06:15
GeneralAntillesthe tablet program needs some strong leadership.06:15
desrtlast time i called nokia canada about this i got a guy who was entirely useless to me but extremely helpful about it06:16
zerojayI just feel like we're ignored and after a year of saying "It'll get better" to everyone... I'm seeing that it probably won't.06:16
desrt(i called them about using my american n800 code in canada... they couldn't help me... but they were really good about it)06:16
zerojayEven the American codes don't work.06:16
zerojayIn America.06:16
desrtoh.  that's most unfortunate.06:17
GeneralAntillesIt's such a stupidly simple thing to do, too.06:17
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derfdesrt: I called Nokia USA about using an American code in America, and they were completely unhelpful, and useless.06:17
GeneralAntillesOne guy with access and a couple hours could get the whole thing rolling.06:17
zerojayWell, a corporation as large as Nokia... even simple things can take a long time.06:17
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LinuxCodecall he goes to kick some arse06:19
|Rat least a coupon code field poped up on :)06:19
|R(not working but ... haha, only a "week" (ie a year))06:19
desrt|R; that's a generic field that's been there for ages06:19
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|Ruhm, it was gone for a while then, or maybe i have a major brain damage :P06:20
GeneralAntillesAri seems pretty apathetic/clueless about the whole deal.06:20
desrtlast time i used that field it told me "n800/n810 are not eligible for discount adn must be purchased separately" or something :p06:20
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billhlater all06:21
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|Ryesterday it just said: invalid code (or some such...)06:21
GeneralAntillesLinuxCode, which is a big part of the problem, the guy that could go out, kick some ass and get the ball moving hasn't done shit (well, as far as we can tell).06:22
desrti still have my n80006:22
desrtand it's not like i'm hacking on any GPS-related thing06:22
desrtso not having a n810 doesn't exactly block any work06:23
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GeneralAntillesIt does for the guys with 770s.06:23
desrtpoor guys06:23
GeneralAntillesBut, really, that doesn't even matter.06:23
GeneralAntillesIt's a mess, and we've really heard nothing06:23
GeneralAntillesDidn't even hear anything about the repository issues.06:24
* desrt tries not to complain when receiving a (near) handout :)06:24
|Ryeah, nobody says a thing...06:24
desrtyou mean the repostory issues? :)06:24
GeneralAntillesTheir margins aren't that tight.06:24
GeneralAntillesdesrt, no, actually.06:24
GeneralAntillesIt's just that mispellings direct to stage.maemo.org06:25
johnxthey don'y communicate about *anything*06:25
GeneralAntillesnot that was actually how they spelled it.06:25
desrtwell, it worked for me in any case :)06:25
GeneralAntillesYou could've done "" and it would've worked.06:26
desrtbut we just went over the fact that i don't have an n81006:27
desrtand there's no way i would have wasted that much time typing that into a touchscreen06:27
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GeneralAntillesEh, I do 40wpm on average on the fullscreen keyboard.06:27
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GeneralAntillesIt's actually quite good (well, except for the fact that they end up adding more bugs to it than they fix with each release).06:28
LinuxCodecant you use ssh ?06:31
johnxis the code to their fullscreen keyboard open source now?06:33
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GeneralAntillesSomebody would've made it unbroken if it were.06:35
LinuxCodeI wonder why Nokia isnt more "engaged" then06:36
GeneralAntillesThe glacial flow of big corporations.06:36
LinuxCodeclearly its in their interest that there are loads of packages and stuff available for the Nxxx range06:37
GeneralAntillesThey can't move like a small company.06:37
LinuxCodeor the product will end up like wince handheld06:37
GeneralAntillesThey didn't predict the success of the platform06:37
GeneralAntillesand I think we're still feeling the effects of that.06:37
LinuxCodeahh that would make sense06:37
johnxthey have tons of motivation to do all these things but somehow they just aren't happening06:38
LinuxCodeI think almost any linux user wanted a device like this06:38
LinuxCodeI told 4 people about it..they all did their research and came back and said wow!06:38
LinuxCodeanyway guys I better go to bed...06:38
LinuxCodebig thank you for that vmware link06:39
LinuxCodeI will grab that tomorrow and play a little06:39
johnx'night LinuxCode06:39
LinuxCodegotta learn debian package management too06:39
LinuxCodenn guys06:39
GeneralAntillesNot enough people, undersized infrastructure, stupid management.06:39
LinuxCodeand thanks for all06:39
LinuxCodeehh to06:39
LinuxCodenot for06:39
LinuxCodeor both !06:39
LinuxCode<-- too tired06:39
* LinuxCode waves06:39
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johnxwow, dependency graphs are pretty ugly07:01
johnxI just looked at the whole recursive dependency graph osso-notes and it's so complicated as to be unreadable07:02
johnxso much for that07:03
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GeneralAntillesYou need a bigger brain.07:06
GeneralAntillesIt's not FOR _stupid_ people. :P07:06
johnxI need a bigger screen!07:07
johnxand I need to figure out a way to colorize the lines07:08
johnxthey just turn into spaghetti in the middle :/07:08
johnxyeah, I need to hack my frontal lobe for more short term memory, too07:09
GeneralAntillesWith one of those? :P07:12
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johnxI don't know if trepanning is the answer07:13
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GeneralAntilleslobotomizing might be, though!07:13
johnxyeah, and with the spare room I can just print out the graph, crumple it up and shove it in my head07:14
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Sage_Is there a way to find out why application is not starting from the menu? I can only see "Application - loading" message in upperright corner, but nothing happens after that. Is there log file somewhere? (OS2008)08:25
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shreshey, Just curious does Maemo use KAA-Kdrive or EXA or something else?08:41
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sxperthmm. someone from nokia has been trying to contact me...09:02
GeneralAntillesThey want their N810 back? :P09:06
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RocketmanAnyone fooled around with hostmode usb on n810?09:51
mbufwhat is the status of qemu with Maemo?09:51
RocketmanI got host working on my n800 with os 2008, but curiously same steps don't work on my n81009:53
mbufi am lost between maemo sdk vmware applications + chinook + mamona!09:53
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RocketmanI am using a A to A gender changer with the factory included cable09:54
Rocketmanand then setting host mode manually via xterm09:54
Rocketmanby changing to root and then09:54
Rocketmanecho host> yadayada, etc09:55
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Rocketmanwhen I do that on my n800 I can use flash drive and usb keyboard, but no dice with n81009:59
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Rocketmanlively bunch10:02
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RocketmanI've been playing with 3.5 on my 80010:19
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RocketmanIs 4.0 available somewhere?10:19
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truentRocketman: sorry just on the desktop10:23
truenthavent tried it on the n800 quite yet :P10:23
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Cptn-N800Brought usb kb to school, forgot the host cable11:03
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Luriayou get demoted to commander-n80011:03
Cptn-N800*Slaps self*11:03
Cptn-N800Sir yes sir11:03
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b0unc3good morning11:08
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JaffaMorning,a ll11:10
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Cptn-N800Usb ir transmtter + genius maemo devs = remote control?11:50
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pupnikyou want to have a dangling IR dongle off your tablet?11:53
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unique311pupnik did ya give lunapaint a try?12:01
Cptn-N800Pupnik not really, would have to mod one12:02
pupnikunique311: no sorry12:03
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unique311no problem.12:05
unique311im running mtpaint.12:05
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unique311lunapaint builds, but with 2 warnings.12:08
unique311then it segfualts whe trying to run it in SB or the Device12:09
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pupnikstrace and gdb can help you figure out what's causing it to crash12:12
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unique311pupnik, got it13:19
unique311lunapaint running13:20
unique311bitdepth was set to 2413:20
unique311changed it to 1613:20
unique311and it runs13:20
pupnikdoes it use sdl?13:22
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pupniki haven't seen a SDL program that uses menus extensively before13:25
_berto_(off-topic) the new ThinkPad Air:
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unique311the color bar i can choose colors from.13:27
unique311but the toolbar doesn't seem to want to work.13:27
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|tbb|what is that sdl thing?13:43
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Spakmanalterego: Hi. Why are only the 0.3 ruby-maemo packages available from Is there some problem with 0.4?13:44
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alteregoSpakman, 0.4 is in the repository. You have to use the install file.13:45
alteregoWhoops, I should update the introduction :)13:46
Spakmanalterego: lists 0.3 too :)13:52
alteregoI told you, they're in the debian repository. You have to use the install file ..13:52
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Mikhohmm, how should I make it so the application I install with a .deb file has write permissions to it's data folder in /usr/share/<application>/13:53
alteregoThose packages are old.13:53
Spakmanyes, I know. Just figured you might want to update that too.13:53
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alteregoSpakman, I'll probably end up deleting all that ;)13:53
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Spakmanah, cool13:54
alteregoThe 'Packages' directory is only there because I hadn't setup a debian repository or install file.13:54
alteregoNow that's done there's little point in it being there.13:54
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NeoStriderhello folks13:59
NeoStrideranyone know what key "menu key" actually is?14:00
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SpakmanNeoStrider: one of the function keys, I think14:01
Spakmanperhaps F414:01
|tbb|hello, what is that sdl thing, everyone talking about14:02
NeoStrider|tbb|:  Im using it14:02
kulvegrep MENU ./hildon-1/hildon/hildon-defines.h14:02
kulve#define                                         HILDON_HARDKEY_MENU GDK_F414:02
michele_eh :)14:02
alteregoYeah, I thought it was F414:02
alterego|tbb|, SDL is pretty easy to google .14:02
NeoStrider|tbb|:  dont you know Simple DirectMedia Layer? most linux (and some windows) games use it14:03
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alteregoWhy can't I check out the damn microb-engine from SVN >:(14:04
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solmumah1alterego: do you still have packages for 770?14:04
alteregosolmumah1, yes. The legacy packages are up there.14:04
LoCusFis philip langdale on this channel?14:04
alteregoWhen I release 0.4.1 I plan on back porting to OS200614:05
alteregoBut I wont be writing any new libraries _just_ for OS2006. You get what you're given :P14:05
alteregoFinally .. It's coming out of SVN.14:05
alteregosolmumah1, want to write me a system that allows me to control the playback of media on my N800 from my N810?14:06
alteregoI want my N810 to be a remote for my N800.14:06
LoCusFx11vnc :)14:07
alteregoI was thinking more bluetooth, save on battery power.14:07
alteregoAs the devices will just be in different pockets.14:08
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lcukalter - i was thinking similar but using my  old pocket LOOX in bluetooth mode as a numeric keypad for 81014:08
alteregoI'm not sure I'd call that similar :P14:09
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lcukit allows 2 handed typing :P14:09
alteregoWell, I'm quite happy with two thumb typing for most cases. And I have a micro USB keyboard for heavy data entry.14:10
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alteregoI ordered a couple of 4G cards which should arrive by the end of this week.14:10
solmumah1alterego: ah, found them.. should have rtfm14:10
chilledoes anyone know how do disassemble a file from the N800=14:10
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solmumah1i'm still using the developer release on my 77014:11
chillemy objdump dosn't support arm14:11
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lcukalter they for you 810 or your 80014:11
alterego4G micro SD cards, they come with a micro->mini adapter and a micro->SD adapter.14:12
alteregoThey're meant for my N81014:12
alteregoMy N800 is finding it hard to decide on it's own fate :)14:12
solmumah1alterego: do you have bindings for everything needed for your remote thing?14:13
alteregoI figure using it as a media player would save the battery life of my N810, as I listen to a lot of music when I'm out and about.14:13
johnxalterego, build box :)14:13
johnxor a wireless security cam14:13
lcukdo they both run at identical speed? i thought there were slight differences in the onboard memory which even though the CPU is running same would make for noticable diffs14:13
alteregoI was contemplating on attempting to install maemo from svn on it.14:14
alteregoThe N810 does seem a little faster. But I thought that was just my imagination.14:14
lcukits maybe just the shiney14:14
alteregoYeah, they work well for me.14:15
alteregoI don't have a problem with their speed at all really.14:15
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alteregoI'd like to see more battery life.14:16
alteregoIf anything14:16
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alteregoMaybe more open hardware too.14:16
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lcuknow you have an 810 would you still recommend ppl dip their toes into tablets with one, or should they stick with 800 (of course if they need gps or key then its a nobrainer)14:16
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solmumah1does n810 use the same battery as n800?14:16
alteregoNo, the N810 uses a slimline battery.14:16
lcuk810 battery gets hot during charging - entire unit feels wrong when i lay it on my bed14:17
lcuki have to lift it onto a book or something for fear of it overheating14:17
pupnikmine is cool to touch14:17
alteregoAll I can do is offer my opinion on the device. I think the N810 is the most attractive device I've ever seen.14:17
alteregoAnd it really is a perfect size.14:17
pupnikagree with alterego14:17
lcukso do i14:18
alteregoThe N800 feels kind of bulky compared to the N810.14:18
lcukits so shiney its slippy14:18
pupnikgoing to the cellphone shop today to wave it infront of their noses while i purchase a spare battery14:18
pupnik  have you taken a picture of your n810 yet alterego ?14:18
alteregoI think the only thing I dislike about the N810 is the soft case :)14:18
alteregoThe fake grey leather isn't very appealing.14:19
* lcuk hasnt got a case at all :(14:19
pupniksame here - hard case will be obtained soon14:19
alteregopupnik, that's awesome.14:19
* lcuk cannot take it out14:19
lcukive seen some leather case thing on ebay which makes it look a bit too S&M14:19
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alteregoI'm kind of paranoid. There are a couple of scratches appearing on the back of the device. From it just being slid around on a table surface :(14:20
mardi___what game is that on 810 pipnik?14:20
alteregoI don't see peoples problems with the GPS either.14:21
alteregoI don't think they've ever owned one before and think that 1 or 2 minute locks are unusual.14:21
alterego1 or 2 minute locks are good :)14:21
lcukmy missus came up with a great one for the gps:  "maybe its just busy"14:21
alteregoHahah, nice.14:21
zerojayCanadians, the device codes should work for you now.14:22
alteregoCan Americans get it yet zerojay ?14:22
lcukanyway, its time for unreal tourny, back tonight14:22
alteregoI kind of like it in a way. That the US contributors have had to wait ages :)14:22
alteregoSeeing as the US got the devices first ..14:23
alteregoWeird, I see a libxul in my rootfs ..14:23
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alteregoI thought that was disabled.14:24
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alteregosolmumah1, did I tell you the new maemo release (which I'm working on now) is going to have gtkmozembed?14:24
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zerojayArgh.. Nokia only ships to the same address as the billing address.14:25
alteregozerojay, yeah. That annoyed me a little too.14:26
Lynourezerojay: no one at your billing address to forward it to you?14:26
zerojayLynoure: It's really not that simple.14:26
solmumah1alterego: does that mean i can forget about gtk and make the gui with html? :)14:27
zerojayWhat do you do when your credit card company refuses to allow you to change your billing address? :)14:27
zerojayAnd you don't live there anymore?14:27
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zerojayAnyways, later.14:27
Lynourezerojay: uh, evil of them. I'd tell them I'll get another credit card elsewhere14:28
alteregosolmumaha, you could do that now if you wanted :P ruby has WEBrick ..14:28
LynoureThat ought to scare them to their senses.14:28
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alteregoBut sure .. It might make the system a little more "intergrated".14:28
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solmumahai'm using gserver on server14:29
solmumahabut i guess html doesn't give me enough control14:29
pupnik810kxchat is still in need of some fixes14:30
alteregosolmumaha, what about XUL? :)14:30
alteregoWell, as soon as 0.4.1 is out of the door. I'm going to seriously start working on Ruby 1.9 development on scratchbox 214:31
alteregoUnfortunately without being able to run hildon desktop under sbox2 testing things will be difficult.14:31
alteregoI'll have to test under sbox114:31
lardmanI just saw Ferenc's email; a slight aside, is anyone actually able to use the Windows flasher (I'm not talking about download problems, but rather than the raw usb drivers don't get installed correctly)14:32
solmumahanah, gtk is ok14:32
alteregoGtk takes too long to load ..14:32
solmumahai hope someone writes the client as a plugin to canola ;)14:32
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alteregoRight, well. I guess the most important thing to fix in ruby-maemo is ConIc14:35
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solmumahathat would be nice14:36
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alteregoI suppose you'll be expecting documentation too ..14:37
solmumahanot necessary14:37
alteregoGood, because I suck at writing documentation.14:38
solmumahawell an example would be nice14:38
alteregoThat's why all my documentation are just "notes" :)14:38
alteregoMore for me than you lusers :P14:39
solmumahai've really haven't missed it, gnome2-ruby docs are great for gtk stuff14:39
alteregoActually, libosso is pretty well documented.14:39
pupnik810solmumaha  how is knots?14:39
solmumahanot sure14:40
solmumahaserver is mostly done, client works for browsing, but thinking of rewriting most parts14:41
solmumahai could give you a client for testing the browsing part14:43
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henriqueanyone knows if there is python-twisted package for maemo [chinook]?14:49
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pupnik810wow beautiful job on the mplayyer OSXD14:51
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alteregoI'm really gonna have to sort out nfs on my tablets at some point.14:54
jottis there actually a way to launch the osso applications with X forwarding? (e.g. osso-xterm insist on running on :0, while e.g. maemo-mapper runs fine on the remote X)14:54
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|tbb|where do you have to store a .desktop  file to get it into the menu14:59
alterego|tbb|, it's all in the tutorial.15:00
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|tbb|ive installed linkmake it places the link under /home/user which i dont understand15:01
|tbb|btw. from which tutorial you talking about15:03
alteregoThe maemo application development tutorial.15:03
alteregoThere's also a howto I believe.15:03
|tbb|does this elementary changed since bora 2 chinook15:04
alteregoIt's been the same for ages.15:05
alteregoShould be the same across OS2006-2008 at least.15:06
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|tbb|maybe the tool doesnt work properly it says it storse the link under extras menu but it doesnt.15:07
|tbb|anyone using linkmaker, succesfully15:08
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LoCusFhow do I force a version of a package?15:10
wndapt-get install foo=1.2.3?15:11
LoCusFgot that :)15:12
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shresWow, sun acquires mysql15:18
Nermalkeep up15:19
NermalI look forward to the java version which is slow, bloated and fucking useless15:19
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alteregoI actually really respect Sun.15:28
NermalI did until I worked for them15:28
alteregoThey've done a lot for the computing community. Even if I don't particularly like Java.15:29
vegaiNermal: that's probably true for any company15:29
NermalI guess so15:29
alterego1 Billion, that's crazy.15:29
Nermaljust the way they slag off things and then use them later on15:29
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Nermalprobably several times what novell paid for suse15:29
Nermalwhich was 200 million iirc15:29
vegaialterego: where did you get the price?15:30
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alteregoSomeone just told me.15:30
VeggenWe're a not-particularly-respected company, but I still feel like I work on a competent/fun place.15:30
vegaialterego: ah, yahoo has something15:31
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michele_where is the news about sun and mysql?15:42
matmog'day. Trying to get an app icon into the menu (on SB). Have created a png in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable and ran "gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor" but no luck. Even restarted AF. What am I missing?15:44
matmobtw, error says "... not in theme"15:45
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matmonm, I think it needs to be 26x26 or something other than scalable15:50
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alteregow00t, microb is finally built :D16:11
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johnxalterego, building an svn checkout for maemo?16:12
alteregoJust finished.16:12
matmohmmm, not have my icon in same sizes and same places as maemopad, updated cache, restarted... and still no icon! :-(16:13
matmoalso the icon cache went from a few k to 10 meg16:13
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Kompo_Is there any repository for Maemo 4.0 development? i.e. I'd like to build microb, but it build-requires 'bc' which is not in any repository (it seems). It's also hard to build from debian packages, since it requires libreadline5, which is not available in the SDK either..16:17
nuragicoHi, what is the default browser on maemo 2008? My maemo2008 does not open it...16:17
Kompo_So is there a repository for binaries used in maemo development? would make sense that there would be one..16:18
alteregoKompo_, the build instructions are a bit broken.16:18
alteregoKompo_, follow these instead:
Kompo_alterego: ok, thanks. So just build the thing by skipping the build-depends..16:21
alteregoKompo_, yeah.16:22
alteregoYou'll run into some missing file errors too.16:22
alteregoYou need to obtain 3 graphics from an old SVN state.16:22
alteregoOtherwise dpkg-buildpackage will fail.16:22
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Kompo_alterego: right.. so it's again in a state in which it almost compiles out of the box, then..16:23
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alteregoYes, it compiled fine for me. Except for those few little hiccups.16:24
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wnddoes anybody else's recharger for N810 make funny noises when unplugged from wall socket while not connected to the device?16:25
alteregownd, wtf? No! :D16:25
alteregoUnless I make it play my guitar.16:25
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johnxwnd, no but the one for my zaurus does. heh...I used to have an external battery pack that made terrifying squealing noises while under load...until it was recalled because of risk of fire :)16:26
johnxfeel better now?16:27
wndyeah, definitely16:27
alteregojohnx, he said "unplugged from wall socket" !16:27
johnxI misread that16:27
zaheermwnd, i would send it back to nokia16:27
wndok clarification: it does that for a few seconds right after unplugging16:27
johnxgremlins...definitely gremlins16:27
johnxor capacitors16:28
lcukwnd - if you listen quietly does it say "this charger will self destruct in 10 seconds?"16:28
X-Fade_johnx: Probably the latter ;)16:28
wndmy guess would be discharging capacitor but it has been too long since the last time I played around with electronics. just wondering if it should do that.16:28
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wndlcuk, no but it's telling me to do bad things!16:29
alteregoThe nokia chargers shouldn't make any noise at all, plugged in or unplugged.16:29
michele_alterego: does microb from svn have visible improvements?16:30
alteregomichele_, I don't know, I'm not actually going to use it ;) I just want the dev libs for gtkmozembed.16:30
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alteregoNow where's that maemo4 sbox2 guide ran off too ..16:31
michele_alterego: even then you should notice at least if performance improves :)16:31
X-Fade_I wish one could install the experimental versions of microb and get a nice changelog popup each time there is a new build. (Like Modest does nowadays!)16:31
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alteregoIt'll be a little while before I test it.16:31
michele_alterego: what are you working on, if I may ask?16:31
wndwell, I was just wondering as it's not the first piece of electronics that I've heard doing that. I guess I'll be contacting nokia then. thanks.16:32
alteregomichele_, I maintain the ruby-maemo project. This is for libgtkembedmoz bindings.16:32
michele_wnd: I have had some lenovo thinkpads doing the same16:32
michele_wnd: usually it's some bad soldering somewhere16:32
X-Fade_wnd: I have a few lipo chargers. They make noice too, just frequent charging and discharging of capacitors..16:33
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michele_alterego: oh. ruby. sorry, now I'm supposed to hate you, since I use python.16:33
alteregownd, the Nokia chargers are switch mode power supplies. It's not uncommon for solid state chargers/power adapters to make noises.16:33
alteregomichele_, don't hate the player, hate the game :P16:33
michele_alterego: :)16:33
alteregomichele_, ruby-maemo was really just for me. I wanted to be able to write small hacks/apps for my N800 when I got it in August last year.16:34
alteregoBut I've had loads of interest in it. So it's been really rewarding in that respect.16:35
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wndalterego, common or not, I'm just wonder if it's supposed to do that. my old pc psu from Q Technology used to do that after a few years.16:36
Kompo_alterego: can you remember offhand which files or dirs or sth will fail? it's not exactly nice to wait three microb compiles to fail :)16:36
michele_alterego: when you finish the things you want to wrap, I think it would a nice idea to have a standalone MokoFingerScroll library with py/rb wrappings16:36
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alteregownd, like I said. Different technology. Power adapters that are heavy are the old fashioned transformer style PSU's the really light weight ones, like the Nokia are switch mode and should not make any audiable noise IMO.16:37
alteregoKompo_, it wont recompile the whole thing.16:37
alteregoKompo_, which is probably a bug ;)16:37
alteregoKompo_, I'll tar the files for you though.16:38
nuragicoHi, what is the default browser on maemo 2008?16:38
GeneralAntillesLot of people asking that question lately.16:39
nuragicoit does not start16:39
GeneralAntillesDid you restore from an OS2007 backup?16:39
alteregoWhat's maemo 2008? :)16:39
GeneralAntillesBetter than maemo 2007.16:39
GeneralAntillesIf you want to make your pedant kill himself, go check out the ITT wiki, alterego. :P16:40
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nuragicoI don't know16:40
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johnxnuragico, Did you make a backup when you still had OS2007? And if so, did you restore that backup after you installed OS2008?16:41
GeneralAntillesI got really excited a few days ago after noticing that the front page looked a lot better than it used to. I thought some real progress had actually come out of the last "the non-searching noobies are destroying this community" thread.16:42
alteregoKompo_, unpack that in the microb-engine/microb-engine directory:
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GeneralAntillesSo I fixed up the front page, then got really depressed when I went to fix up the articles.16:42
nuragicoI don't now16:43
Lynouresounds rollercoasterish16:43
GeneralAntillesThe internet can do that to you, Lynoure. :P16:43
GeneralAntillesI'm tempted to just drop the damn place entirely.16:43
Kompo_alterego: thank you very much! nice, so the files disappear if I don't build with -nc ...16:43
alteregoKompo_, yah,.16:44
johnxGeneralAntilles, drop the internet?16:44
GeneralAntillesNah, ITT.16:44
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alteregoITT is very annoying.16:45
alteregoIt's only really useful when you've found it through google.16:45
michele_forums are very annoying in general16:45
alteregoI don't bother visiting it otherwise.16:45
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GeneralAntillesNot the ones I normal frequent.16:45
michele_I prefer good old MLs16:45
GeneralAntillesITT seems to have a disproportionate share of idiots, and their co-dependents than my previous experience with forums would suggest it should have.16:46
johnxthere's too much divide between n00bs and experts on ITT. There's no one of a mid-level answering n00bs and the experts feel overwhelmed16:46
alteregoYeah, you'd expect the maemo community to be a bit more intellectual ^_^16:46
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GeneralAntillesIt probably is, they're all just running like hell from the place. :P16:47
johnxI blame the N8x0 marketing being too successful16:47
alteregoA lot of the problems are people don't know where maemo questions begin and linux questions end.16:47
michele_let's open ITST - IT Snob Talk16:47
alteregomichele_, I like that!16:47
GeneralAntillesEverybody gets a banstick.16:47
michele_first, no background images16:48
GeneralAntillesIt'll end up being the most exclusive club ever.16:48
GeneralAntillesEverybody is banned!16:48
* michele_ runs off registering the domani16:48
GeneralAntillesOne wonders if Reggie is trying to drive MicroB development by making ITT as bloated and non-compliant as possible.16:48
GeneralAntillesIt's not incompetence or apathy—it's genius!16:49
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alteregoJust ordered another 2G of DDR for my workstation.16:52
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GeneralAntillesSounds fun.16:52
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* GeneralAntilles needs a new computer.16:53
matmoSo any of you "experts" know why my icon is not showing in the menu?16:53
GeneralAntillesYou did it wrong?16:53
michele_I am going to get a new computer from my new company16:53
michele_and I can't decide between a powermac or a thinkpad16:53
GeneralAntillesThere are no more Powermacs. :(16:54
michele_macbook pro16:54
matmoGeneralAntilles: not according to the chinook tute16:54
alteregoiCrap air?16:54
Nermalget a thinkpad x61 or something16:54
Nermalsmaller than a macbook air :P16:54
michele_no, I need something bigger16:54
GeneralAntillesLaptops are stupid16:54
GeneralAntillesI need an 8-core Mac Pro. :D16:54
michele_I am leaning toward the T series16:54
johnxmichele_, are you planning to put Linux on it?16:54
michele_johnx: that's the crux of the question16:54
johnxhands down16:55
michele_johnx: the default here is mac, but I know I prefer linux (because I already tried)16:55
alteregoNever really been too happy with the thinkpads. They're quite under powered compared to the competition. Obviously that could be said for Mac's too.16:55
michele_I love my TP16:55
GeneralAntillesalterego, maybe 4 years ago.16:55
alteregoWell, the last time I checked .. 1 year ago :P16:56
michele_GeneralAntilles: his statement is mostly true16:56
GeneralAntillesAt the low end, yeah.16:56
GeneralAntillesBut definitely not at the top end16:56
johnxI've never seen a macbook (pro or otherwise) run Linux really perfectly16:56
alteregoBut there's no denying the build quality is superb.16:56
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michele_I just can't give up the build quality of TPs: the KB, the nipple16:56
johnxbut seems to think Linux will work well on a T6116:56
* alterego likes nipples too.16:56
Veggen I have an ancient HP laptop. that good build quality too.16:57
GeneralAntillesThere's not much point in running Linux on a Mac.16:57
alteregoI don't really like OS X,16:57
alteregoAnd linux supports more hardware ..16:57
Veggenagreed, I wouldn't buy a mac to run Linux on it.16:57
simfoshohey, im working on a python application to my n800 (os2008) and having a slight problem... when I try to run it once it reaches "import gtk" it comes with a weird error msg, looking for the gtk module in some /home/ludolf/......./gtk dir, I dont know why the hell it would look there since I dont know any ludolf.. anyone ran into this problem before16:57
GeneralAntillesalterego, and I don't care for Linux. ;) You like what you know.16:58
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GeneralAntillesAnything from Linux, you can run in OS X.16:58
alteregoSure, with a bit of fiddling.16:58
johnxGeneralAntilles, but sometimes it's just easier to run it in Linux16:58
alteregoI'm not sure I can use any other OS other than debian ..16:59
alteregoI just get on very smoothly with it.16:59
GeneralAntillesHeck, with VMWare and Coherence and whatnot, you can run just about anything.16:59
alteregoWhen I'm using a debian system, it's like making love with a beautiful lady in silk sheets :)16:59
johnxalterego, I had a macbook for work a year ago. Nice machine but I just couldn't cope with mac os x window management (and lack of multiple desktops at the time)17:00
alteregoOh come on, surely OS X has multiple desktops :P17:00
GeneralAntillesjohnx, why not just install one of the half-dozen third party virtual desktop utilities? :P17:00
GeneralAntillesIt's built-in, now.17:00
johnxyeah, I tried them17:00
johnxall were broken in their own special way17:01
alteregoYeah, even vista has workspaces now.17:01
glassi don't like their window system at all17:01
simfoshoanyone got experience with python, gtk and os2008 that I can bug for some 5 min17:01
GeneralAntillesI still don't use Spaces or Exposé.17:01
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alteregoI use compiz-fusion. But that's only because I've not got a girlfriend.17:02
GeneralAntillesPartly because I still haven't broken Mac Classic habits and partly because you don't need virtual desktops when you have 4 displays. ;)17:02
LoCusFalterego: so you end up sliding off the bed with her since silk is slippery, eh?17:03
Spakmanlol @ alterego17:03
alteregoLoCusF, anything to make the experience more interesting ;)17:03
johnxGeneralAntilles, aaah. now I understand. it was a world of pain being stuck on 1280x800 with no multiple desktops17:04
alteregoFalling off the bed, banging heads. That's what makes sex fun :)17:04
GeneralAntillesjohnx, you should've just used Expose, anyway.17:04
johnxeh, I did17:04
michele_I am back... the only reason to run Linux on a Mac is that I would virtualize it, so I could have both OSs17:05
alteregoLinux has better hardware support.17:05
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alteregoThen again, Linux has probably got the best hardware support across all operating systems.17:05
GeneralAntillesThan OSx86? Yes. . . .17:05
johnxif you're planning to compile for maemo you're better off doing it natively on LInux then wasting power virtualizing it17:05
alteregojohnx, not with hardware virtualization.17:06
johnxalterego, point. it's still not free though17:06
johnxfree as in, it "costs" RAM17:06
alteregoIs if you're running Linux :P17:06
alteregoOh, right.17:06
alteregoSure, how much RAM do you need though?17:06
lcuk640k is enough for anyone ;)17:07
alterego(says the guy that's just bought another 2G for his workstation)17:07
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GeneralAntillesBalancing opportunity costs, I'd say the argument against virtualization are pretty weak. :P17:07
johnxfair enough...I guess I'm used to underpowered hardware17:08
alteregoMost of my work is now in virtualized hosts, _all_ of my maemo development is.17:08
michele_anyway, it seems I am getting back my G3 iBook from my brother, can't wait to put OS9 again on the little boy :)17:08
alteregoIt's so much easier to backup and the systems are easily transferable across machines and OS reinstalls.17:08
michele_It just needs iCab and a music player17:08
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michele_alterego: in fact, virtualization is the only thing that could make me buy a non-laptop computer again17:09
alteregoMeh, get a dedicated server and do it over the interwebz :)17:10
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simfoshoanyone that got a nfs server to run on os200817:10
GeneralAntillesiCab . . .17:10
GeneralAntillesWhat a throwback.17:10
johnxheh...or better yet get someone else who has a dedicated server to give you an account. :D17:10
* GeneralAntilles threatens alterego. :P17:11
michele_alterego: do you actually use a remote machine for development?17:11
johnxsimfosho, I don't see any reason it wouldn't work17:11
alteregomichele_, yes.17:11
michele_alterego: do you ssh on it or what?17:11
simfoshoI just need to compile it to it or is it already in a .deb package17:12
alteregomichele_, yup, I SSH into it and I use a forwarded port to connect the host to my Xephyr session on the local machine (for maemo development)17:12
* michele_ mumbles17:12
johnxsimfosho, I did a quick search on and I don't see a package for nfsd17:13
johnxyou might want to try compiling it in mud-builder17:13
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johnxyou might want to give sshfs a try17:14
michele_sshfs is painful17:14
michele_too much lagging17:14
johnxreally? in a file manager or a terminal?17:15
michele_I tried it to edit files with vim17:15
michele_and found plain ssh to be nicer17:15
michele_mind you, on a machine across the ocean17:15
michele_Italy -> SF17:15
johnxI've never had a problem even on machines quite far away, but it depends on the connection I guess17:16
johnxfor local stuff it's an awesome quick-n-dirty remote filesystem17:16
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alteregoYeah, I like sshfs17:20
alteregoHmm, sbox2 + maemo-sdk is gonna take 24 minutes to install.17:21
alteregoThink I might go for a walk.17:21
johnxwhat's the weather like there?17:21
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alteregoCold, and muddy.17:21
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alteregoBut it's a clear sky now.17:21
johnxhave a good walk then :)17:22
alteregoAnd it's gonna get dark within the next hour.17:22
Nermalalterego, in the uk ?17:22
robtaylori want an EEE where the screen size matches the case size and running ubuntu mobile rather than the xandros POS17:23
robtayloroh /me was several days behind =)17:23
alteregoNermal, yeah17:23
johnxdidn't they show an eee with an 8" at CES?17:23
johnxand ubuntu would be fine, but does anyone know how "ubuntu mobile" is progressing?17:24
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alteregojohnx, like a snail super-glued to an upside down plank of wood.17:25
johnxalterego, in other words...awesome?17:25
alteregoSure, if we're in some kind of parallel dimension and no one told me about it.17:25
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alteregoAnyhow, walkies.17:26
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KhertanHi !17:50
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Khertana small question, i m trying to registering some mime type for pygtkeditor17:51
Khertani ve added for a test "text/python" in the .desktop file ...17:51
Khertanbut i think it s not enougth for filemanager17:52
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Khertanis there a documentation on how add mime type as file manager can recognize it and launch the right application ?17:52
Khertani ven't found anything on maemo.org17:52
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johnxKhertan, if you're still looking for an answer:
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hugolpIve ported an aplication to maemo/hildon. It works fine if I run doing myapp, but when I create a item in the menu and try to execute it from there it doesnt run. It says in the terminal  hildon-desktop[10773]: GLIB WARNING ** default - We could not read lowmem page stats.18:12
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hugolpCan anyone give me any idea of what going on? Ive been reading the docs at and following them but cant figure out whats going on18:12
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LoCusFhow do I select text from evince?18:15
mgedminmiddle-click muahahahaha18:16
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LoCusFlol :)18:20
mgedminedit -> select text would be a good addition to the maemo port of evince18:21
mgedminis there a bugtracker?18:21
michele_on garage18:21
LoCusFI used synergy to do that :)18:21
wndLoCusF, did you try vkb/hwr-im copy/paste?18:22
LoCusFwell copy/paste between machines works18:22
michele_mgedmin: how would it work? the menu item would trigger a mode where dragging would select text instead of panning?18:23
mgedminprobably simple to implement: if the 'edit -> select text' menu item is checked, treat left-button presses as middle button18:23
mgedminwhen you select edit->copy, uncheck the 'edit -> select text' item for convenience18:24
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michele_the behaviour is already inverted now18:24
michele_it should just bring it back to the original mapping18:24
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michele_and me I was going to remove the "select all" menu item because I thought it wouldn't be useful...18:26
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mgedmindisclaimer: I'm not a heavy evince user18:26
mgedminand I don't think I ever needed to copy & paste from a pdf document18:27
mgedminso don't look at me for ui suggestions18:27
mgedmininstead ask LoCusF18:27
LoCusFI'd just prefer 3 taps :)18:27
LoCusF+ drag18:27
michele_double taps are awful enough18:28
LoCusFwell ok ok, the menu is better idea :)18:28
michele_LoCusF: do you read evince-devel?18:28
LoCusFmichele_: nope18:28
LoCusFmichele_: but I could :)18:29
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michele_I have a patch with a new feature, you might want to try it18:30
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LoCusFmichele_: gotta keep in mind, where do I get the sources to apply that patch to?18:34
michele_LoCusF: svn18:34
LoCusFmichele_: cool thanks18:35
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* czr peeks18:37
johnxsetting up a debian buildd is a real pain18:38
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johnxI give up for now18:41
johnx'night everyone18:41
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nick_fnOn my Palm, I used to use iSilo to read web pages 'offline', on the train, etc. and then delete them.  Each was a single 'document' complete with several pages and images. Is there a way to do something similar on Maemo? I looked at FBReader today, but the Plucker image support seems broken; the images came out garbled.18:52
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alteregoThat was a nice walk :)18:52
alteregoDamn dark now though ..18:53
|Rfor the canadians here... it worked with the old or new discount code ? (
alterego|R, try both :P18:53
|Ryeah, but it's so damn slow ;)18:53
alteregoFor me, the new one was the only that worked.18:53
alteregoHave no idea what the original one was in the first acceptance email ..18:54
|Rnew one won't work :(18:54
czrhey alterego18:54
|Ri chose france originally18:54
alteregoHey czr :)18:54
michele_nick_fn: you can just save the full html from your web browser, most of them can do that18:55
alteregoczr, got my modules to compile and my USB wifi dongle works like a charm. Though the busybox ifconfig is a POS. :)18:55
namtasticyeah, nick_fn, I miss that too. I've found (at least in OS2008) the Save As... -> Complete Web Page works well for the occasional article I want to read later. But there's no one-click thing like iSilo18:55
nick_fnmichele_: I'm after something I can do from a shell easily (and crontab)?18:55
alteregonamtastic, wget -r ? :)18:55
michele_nick_fn: wget? curl?18:55
namtasticI had high hopes for Mozilla's Project Joey, but it's online only18:55
alteregoJust setup sbox2 maemo SDK. Lets have a play :)18:56
nick_fnmichele_: yeah, I guess I could wrap wget and then scp over the directory. Hmm... ok, ta for the idea.18:56
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nick_fnI'd maybe write a Python/GTK GUI to let me easily delete the 'packages' once I've read them18:56
czralterego, yeah, the ifconfig is really bad in it18:57
czralterego, I'm thinking of playing with pedago next18:57
* alterego googles.18:57
namtastici'm not a big shell guy, and it's the desktop to tablet step i'd want to one-click18:57
namtasticyeah yeah, i'm lame :)18:57
michele_that could be done with rsync18:58
alteregoczr, I think I'll write a blog entry about setting up scratchbox 1 and scratchbox to in a Linux KVM environment.18:58
czralterego, it's not public..18:58
alteregoComplete step by step.18:58
michele_sounds like a nice simple project for someone :)18:58
alteregoczr, are you permitted to tell me what it is then? :)18:58
czralterego, I am, I'm looking for the page and will give you the url18:58
czr(it's not referenced from any other pages, so google doesn't find it)18:58
namtasticmichele, make that a bkg service that takes a tag feed as input and i'm sold :D18:58
czrit's a pedagogical kernel driver that I use(d) for kernel programming training18:59
LoCusFmichele_: building it now18:59
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czralterego, basically a multi-instance system-wide atomic counter service for userspace processes18:59
czrwith pause support and other stuff, let me dig for it18:59
alteregoHmm, I think my VM network is a bit buggy.19:00
michele_namtastic: I hate delicious tag feeds, you get ten thousand times the same link19:00
alteregoHaving one VM it works fine. But I've just noticed, using multiple VM's that one will work and the other's will hang.19:00
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alteregoThen if you do something on a hung one, it'll become active and make the previously active VM's network hang .. Very odd.19:00
alteregoProbably something to do with my misuse of bridged networking adapters.19:01
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czrI need to update it anyway for newer kernel releases and implement better mutex mechanism, as well as add hotplug mechanism19:01
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czralterego, they have the same MAC19:01
czralterego, or the same IP19:01
alteregoczr, of course .. They have the same damn MAC ..19:02
* alterego slaps head.19:02
rm_you|n80035 minute long line for  tickets to a Tony Blair talk thing :P19:02
alteregoMy forehead is pretty red now .. From the previous few days.19:02
michele_damn we really really need a no-fuss decent music player19:02
czryeah, bridge doesn't like that too much ;-)19:02
jottczr: may the googlebot hit this page now! :)19:02
czrjott, I'm beyond caring at this time :-)19:02
czrI'll update it first and maybe add a link to it from my main page19:03
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* jott wonders how many seconds it will take until google notices ;)19:03
czrquite many19:03
alteregoczr, at least it's 2.6.X ;)19:03
jottsometimes i'm amazed how fast the googlebot visits (sure, not in general)19:03
czralterego, indeed :-)19:03
czralterego, soon it will be also 2.6.2419:04
rm_you|n800GeneralAntilles: anything going on in  the past few days?19:04
czrand probably 21, since I'll play on the device with it19:04
czrit worked with bora/os2007 quite nicely19:04
namtasticmichele, it's more about a personal tag, i already have a "readlater" which i never get around to -- yeah, the public ones are a mess19:04
rm_you|n800i haven't been on because my  computer here is kinda wonky19:04
alteregoThat's pretty neat czr19:04
czralterego, it's fairly simple, yet contains multiple locking/concurrency problems19:05
czrand is easy to extend when doing exersises (adding new functionality, fixing the concurrency issue, etc)19:05
czralterego, how do you like the syntax high-light btw? hover your mouse over a green-dotted underlined text (and click on it afterwards)19:06
czr(the hover will work on function names only, not macros nor other stuff)19:06
alteregoczr, Oh, that's neat. What are you using?19:06
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czralterego, synhilite. my own toolset19:07
rm_you|n800czr: what is this you're talking about?19:07
czrrm_you|n800, what?19:07
czrI'm talking about a lot of things, be more specific? :-)19:07
alteregoczr, funky, is it dynamic? Or did you generate a static page?19:07
czralterego, fully static. all colors/styles are in external CSS (as they should be).19:08
rm_you|n800lol... that19:08
rm_you|n800all colors/styles are in external CSS (as they should be).19:08
czrwhy lol?19:08
czralterego, I was working on automatic man-page linking during the summer for the toolchain19:09
czrso that when you use anything from section 2 or 3, it would get the prototypes from the manual pages and link to their pretty xhtml versions directly19:09
alteregoI was planning on doing something just like that in Ruby/for Ruby and C19:09
rm_you|n800just curious... and bored... and trying to comprehend the conversation :P19:09
czrrm_you|n800, ah. lol indeed then ;-)19:09
czralterego, yeah, parsing man-pages is evil.19:09
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rm_you|n800ah well19:10
alteregoczr, heard the news about Sun Microsystems buying MySQL for 3 million?19:10
alteregoSorry, 3 billion ..19:10
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* Lahiru wondering about PenguinBait :)19:11
czryeah. friend just started working there two days ago19:11
* czr curses at all of the typos and bad things in pedago19:11
alteregoIt's neater and more readable/documented than 90% of the Linux kernel .. I wouldn't complain :P19:12
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Zetxrm_you|n800: dammit rm, you've made me reconsider the n800 =P19:12
rm_you|n800i guess i'll just play lxdoom then :/19:12
czralterego, it's for training use :-)19:12
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rm_you|n800Zetx: rofl19:12
rm_you|n800why are you here19:12
czralthough I often use my own training code to refresh stuff that I haven't used for a long time19:13
ZetxI'm chilling19:13
ZetxI asked about bluetooth headsets yesterday or thereabouts :P19:13
alteregoczr, how's your day been anyhow? Feeling better in regards to your man flu?19:13
alteregoI've had a nice day today.19:13
rm_you|n800get redirected to johnx/my thread?19:13
ZetxNah, I read it though. But it was more on mplayer, I was wondering about call quality and such19:14
czralterego, yeah, still have semirunning nose, but been ok. only slept 1.5 hours though ;-)19:14
czralterego, was doing networking/design stuff most of the day anyway19:14
alteregoWhich # nap was that ;)19:14
czrit wasn't a nap. it was my sleep ;-)19:14
rm_you|n800Zetx: it's weird talking to you on another irc server :P19:14
alteregoI only got 4 hours last night. But I feel great. Not tired at all.19:14
rm_you|n800especially just stumbling into you here :P19:15
ZetxYou haven't been on Archive in awhile. I wasn't really expecting you in here... but I should've19:15
alteregoWent for a walk for 1 1/2 hours, played with my nephew for an hour. Setup my scratchbox VM and got ruby-maemo and everything back in there.19:15
alteregoIt's been a good day.19:15
LahiruHi, If I could compile a native C++ program using scratch box for OS2008.. will it run on N800?19:15
alteregoNow all I need is some food :D19:15
czrLahiru, assuming N800 is running OS2008. yes.19:16
LahiruI mean , I'm confused with the architecture,,, x86 and maemo19:16
Lahiruczr: so even a QT program?19:16
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czrLahiru, assuming you install qt on the device, yes.19:17
alteregoLahiru, the x86 target is for testing that your apps work. You use the armel target to cross-compile your programs for the tablets.19:17
rm_you|n800Anyone have any new ideas on fitting a HildonControlbar into something resembling a GtkMenu?? :/19:17
czralterego, sounds like fun. I'll try to sleep more tonight. still suffering from jetlag, and somehow it's just getting worse and worse ;-)19:17
alteregoLahiru, you should really run through the tutorial. It's not long and it'll answer a lot of these question. The training material is awesome too.19:17
rm_you|n800worth a shot...19:18
czr"awesome training material" whee19:18
rm_you|n800Zetx: off to play doom on my n800 :P19:18
alteregoI wonder, is 20G enough for scratchbox development?19:18
alteregoI'd imagine it is ..19:18
czralterego, should be19:18
Zetxlaters, rm19:18
Lahirualterego: would you mind me sending the link please.. Thanks a lot!19:19
czralterego, unless you plan to rebuild a lot of stuff, but for most stuff even 10G would be plenty19:19
mgedminscratchbox is huge, but only ~ 2 gigabyte-huge19:19
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czrLahiru, (training material for Chinook [OS2008 development environment])19:19
alteregoLahiru, maemo4 tutorial:
alteregoWhat a team.19:20
czrwas just looking for that one :-) thanks ;-)19:20
alterego3rd time lucky?19:20
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alteregoWhat's that extra 'g' mean?19:20
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Lahirualterego: czr Thanks a lot!19:20
sp3000do what to gin now?19:20
michele_I give up19:20
alteregoLahiru, no problem.19:20
* czr thinks michele_ just likes the character g19:21
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mgedminmust be a gnome hacker :)19:21
alteregoAh, that's what I was going to do.19:21
* alterego starts compiling gnome for his tablet.19:21
czrLahiru, no problem. spend some time with them and if you still run across problems, don't be afraid to ask here. there's also a mailing list (maemo-developers) which you might want to subscribe if you plan to do development for longer times19:21
alteregoI'm gonna throw this at penguinbait :P19:21
czrmgedmin, heh19:21
czrhmm. my konqueror just crashed, boohoo19:22
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michele_ahah alterego19:22
michele_czr: the problem is my keyboard has an excess of Gs19:23
alteregoI'm pretty serious though. I've got a spare tablet, I think installing gnome on it would be quite interesting.19:23
* czr sends michele_'s keyboard to space19:23
Lahiruczr: alterego I would love to do some hacks on maemo.. like compiling firefox etc.. hehe and even gnome ;)19:23
LahiruI should read this tutorial.. thanks again19:23
czrLahiru, you'll want to learn to walk first, before running :-)19:23
alteregoLahiru, firefox is pretty pointless, as microb uses the Gecko rendering engine already.19:23
czrwell, you can't have Gnome without Firefox, right?19:24
alteregoHeh, no. Galeon :P19:24
czrno G without F. rule of universe #52.19:24
alteregoNautilus :)19:24
alteregoYeah, that too.19:24
* alterego is old school.19:24
* czr decides not to say "lynx"19:24
mgedminlinks is better anyway19:24
* czr agrees19:24
alteregoelinks ftw! :P19:25
* michele_ waits for somebody to say emacs19:25
* mgedmin usually can't tell which of the links-alikes he's using19:25
alteregoI think I'll setup this weekend.19:25
czrhmm. there was a funny version of mozilla some time way back (2000-2001) which I used to use. used gecko as well19:25
michele_czr: pornzilla?19:25
czrerr. no. :-)19:25
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rm_you|n800michele_: lol19:26
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czrI can't remember the name now. I did some mods for it for our project at work19:26
czrit was pretty decent for our use19:26
jottphoenix was the only "firefox" i really used ;)19:26
mgedminczr: seamonkey?19:26
mgedminnetscape 6?19:27
czrneh. not ones nor ns19:27
czrdoesn't matter now19:27
sp3000but that was later I think19:27
czrno :-)19:27
* czr shrugs19:27
alteregoczr, wanna send me your N00 tablet ?19:28
czrsure. if you pay a 25% premium for the amount I have to pay for losing it ;-)19:28
alteregoHow many of those were actually made do you know?19:28
* czr alterego that'd be about 27.5kE ;-)19:28
* czr waves jedi hands.. that was a privage message and you didn't see it..19:29
czralterego, I have no idea19:29
sp3000see what?19:29
* sp3000 saw nothing.19:29
czrsp3000, flying cows!19:29
czralterego is harboring them.19:29
sp3000ah. makes sense19:29
alteregoI remember when my dad used to work for Acorn, he got this prototype tablet PC running Risc OS 3.7 it was really neat. He just wanted it to piss around with his GPS and the GPS software he wrote though. Had it for a couple of days.19:30
czrI should probably take the N00 back at some point19:30
alteregoczr, wait until they forget. Then send it to me :)19:30
czrI can't.19:30
czrI signed in blood (my own and everyone in the room)19:31
michele_N00? is that a prototype?19:31
alteregoI probably couldn't get waranty on it if I broke something though ..19:31
czralterego, probably not :-)19:31
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czrmichele_, it's the text that reads on the N810 pre-release devices19:31
czrat least some of them.19:31
czror at least on the one that I have19:31
* czr shrugs19:31
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alteregoI think yours was probably the first revision. Before the mass production and product expo.19:32
czrI didn't ask/wasn't really interested :-)19:33
alteregoCause you probably had that around the time that Nokia appled for the FCC.19:33
czrI think it's FCC actually, but can't be bothered to take out the battery now19:34
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sp3000appled eh :)19:34
czralterego, I did have a pre-fcc 770 at some point though.19:34
* sp3000 blames the residual jobs rays19:34
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czrapple will have to buy oracle next.19:34
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czrotherwise they'll be left out of the game.. and jobs wants to play too! I'm sure.19:35
alteregoThen rename Oracle to iDB19:35
alteregoOr iBase19:35
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alteregoiBase touch19:36
czrhah, reminds me of the 'bobby tables' strip in xkcd19:36
mgedminxkcd rules19:36
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czr (last spam, sry ;-)19:43
michele_'nite folks19:45
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alteregoI think this will be my first blog post.19:49
alteregoHopefully once I've posted this Quim will add me to the maemo planet.19:50
alteregoThen I can start pimping ruby-maemo like satan's little helpers.19:50
czrah, I always wondered who pimps the helpers19:52
* czr is eduficated now19:52
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maddlerdoh! just remembered I had to create lardman blog!19:52
alteregoNot the sort of thing you want to hear from a user called 'atombomb': "[atombomb] oh shit i forgot my root password"19:53
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Blafaselbecksbier.. Ugh19:53
czralterego, heh19:54
* alterego likes becks ..19:54
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BlafaselBtw: It's "Beck's"19:54
BlafaselAgainst all rules in the german language.19:54
alteregoIt's german?!19:55
* alterego chuckles.19:55
BlafaselTalking about here as well?19:55
BlafaselThe Beck's beer is german, yes.19:55
BlafaselUnfortunately ;)19:56
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Lahiruanyone compiled QT for maemo pls? :)20:16
pierluxcan the sound output be increased? even at max, I can't hear the sound in the headphones while in the subway...20:20
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alteregopierlux, when you plug the head phones in, the master volume gets lowered. Go back to the home screen and max that out again.20:21
alteregoIt's an annoying AVLS system Nokia obviously thought was useful, alternatively, buy some better headphones ;)20:21
pierluxI did put it to max again, and it is still not load enough20:22
pierluxwe can plug normal headphones? even if they are missing the mike pin?20:22
alteregoOf course.20:22
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alteregoThough I must warn you, listening to prolonged load audio may damage your hearing. It has an accumulative effect. So don't do it too much, but I do sympathise with your problem as I suffer it occasionally on buses, etc. :)20:23
* alterego appends disclaimer ;)20:23
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czrI use headphones which isolate the environment20:37
czrthat way you don't need to listen to too loud music20:37
lcuki use headphones to beat up people who have their ipods too loud20:37
lcukactually, just reading back - n810 headphones dont work properly unless i press the button on them20:38
czrI like the koss earbuds (^eb )20:38
czrthey could be higher quality (I wear and tear them a lot, so tend to break any headphones within 1.5 years normally anyway)20:39
czr(the sparkplug is what I've had for couple of years now)20:39
lcukthe last time i actually had and used headphones was a cassette walkman!20:39
lcuki was miffed when it chewed up atape last week ;)20:40
* czr remembers all of his walkmans that he destroyed in his youth20:41
czrdigitized all my tapes some years back20:41
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lcuki never bothered to get anything else once i got a car20:41
* lcuk stopped having to walk anywhere20:42
czras long as I live in finland, I won't be getting a car20:42
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lcukwhy not?20:42
czrI live very close to helsinki city center and the public transport around here is very good20:43
czrand owning cars in finland is pretty expensive anyway20:43
lcuki know that one20:43
lcukif i worked in city centre i would, but i would need to get into the city and then back out again, theres no direct transport20:43
czrtakes me about 15-20 minutes to get to my most frequently frequented clients' offices with the underground. during rush hours, it would take about 30 minutes with a car (plus all the hassle with finding a parking space, etc)20:44
* czr nods20:44
lcukyer, outside work we have a metro which gets us into the city centre in 10-15mins and any meetings there we use it20:45
lcukbut it takes me 15 mins in car to work, on public transport its over an hour20:45
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* lcuk is pondering getting a bike20:45
* czr nods20:45
lcukits only 7 miles so its well within my limits20:46
lcuki just donjt like to be unclean all day after a sweaty ride20:46
lcukdamn boss wont let me telecommute either20:47
lcuki code better in the evenings than first thing but he insists i should be there bright and early20:47
doc|homelcuk: get a bike, then, for the first hour of work rub yourself against him. One way or the other he'll let you work from home.20:47
lcuklol - knowing him he would ratherl setup a shower than let me go home20:48
czrlcuk, depends on what kind of work you do really. I prefer to work at home when working alone on something, and with other people when working on some larger stuff (faster and more immediate communication).20:48
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lcuki have no objection whatsoever to being there for most days - its just sometimes better to say "right im coding this week, ill see you next week with it finished20:49
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lcukbesides customers get in the way if im at work20:50
pupnikthree cheers for new mplayer with on-screen display20:50
lcuka 2 minute conversation with a customer can divert my mind for upto a couple of hours20:51
lcukooooh pup, is it in the repo20:51
pupnikit's whatever i just downloaded - hit the thingmabob key in playback20:51
pupnikand you get the onscreen menu20:51
lcuklol will do - gotta dash dinner ready20:51
pupnikdoes n810 use pixel doubling?20:53
pupnikcause somehow the normal on-top menus display fine20:53
pupnikit's the 'menu' key below the dpad20:53
pupnikif mplayer is using xsp doubling, then it's amazing... somehow the on-top displays no longer break doubling20:54
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alteregopupnik, the green OSD?21:16
lcuk2hello again, got a power question.  has anyone found a nicer way to handle - i am finished, please turn off backlight, lock screen and keys, disconnect net.  without turning it fully off21:17
lcuk2i just wanna come back, unlock adn carry on21:17
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lcuk2the battry is flat again and it was just left on nightstand locked overnight21:18
doc|worklcuk2: mine lasts much longer than that21:18
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lcuk2it depends on nettimeout and screentimeout21:18
lcuk2net timeout is at an hour for mine so scp works21:19
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pupniklcuk2: i dunno... i let the screen timeout set it to sleep - no 'instant sleep' known to me21:20
pupnikbp-4l batteries not very cheap, i find21:20
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lcuk2if you slide the lock switch it should goto sleep21:21
pupnikhail tak21:21
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ScreamingWhy, whenever I innocently type something like apt-get xyz, do I always feel I have just engaged some feral guide who is taking me into the most lethal depths of the Casbah in Marrocco? (my apologies to any Marroccans listening)21:22
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Takapt-get rock thecasbah21:23
lcuk2apt-get beer21:23
Screamingvirtual beer any one?21:24
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* Tak virtual beer snob21:25
Screaminglcuk2: tried turningbitboffline overnight?21:25
Screamings/bit/ it /21:25
infobotScreaming meant: lcuk2: tried turning it boffline overnight?21:25
TakScreaming meant: lcuk2: tried turning it boffline overnight?21:25
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Screaminggrr -b21:26
sp3000turning\bit\boffline, clearly he meant word breaks :)21:26
mgedminwhat's with extra letters today?21:26
lcuk2lol i dont like turning it fully off - it takes too long to comed back, its a loud bootup sound and it blinds me21:26
mgedminmichele_ had exta g's, you have extra b's21:26
lcuk2everyone with 810s21:27
mgedminlcuk2: the obvious solution is to leave it plugged into the charger overnight21:27
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lcuk2i do but last night i forgot and it was dead when i came back to it, surely i can say right, i am finished for now21:28
pupniki find it a little depressing that i'm getting used to the tablets21:28
mgedminshouldn't die overnight21:28
lcuk2i dont want to waste electric tho21:28
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lcuk2i have been able to hibernate every device i had in past21:29
Screaminglcuk2 on switch->offline mode WFM21:29
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alteregoYeah, mine's lasted for days idle.21:30
lcuk2it was offline21:30
lcuk2net connect asks firrst21:30
alteregoEven connected to wireless and bluetooth active.21:30
lcuk2no bt21:30
lcuk2no usb21:30
lcuk2light on minimum brightness21:30
lcuk2set off after 2 mins21:31
mgedminlcuk2: buggy 3rd party applets?21:31
lcuk2does fbreader keep screen on - i saw a buf report about it wanted21:31
lcuk2ill test tonight21:31
mgedminno, it doesn't21:32
lcuk2ill watch it overnight and report back21:32
lcuk2see whats running21:32
mgedminit has autosaves every 30 seconds, but I'm pretty sure it's smart enough and doesn't do that if you don't actually page through the text21:32
mgedminhm, could be worth checking21:33
lcuk2it did this on day 1 but that was net related - never disconnected21:33
lcuk2thanks folks21:35
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LahiruHi, have anyone compiled QT for maemo?21:38
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mgedminI've seen screenshots of KDE on maemo, so I assume yes21:39
mgedminbut I don't know who21:39
Sho_Anyone else having a perpetual "map" item in their Application Manager's updates screen that has the same version as the one already installed and errors out on installation?21:40
Sho_Did anyone do the work to fix that one yet? :-)21:41
lcukrepo duplication problem?21:41
lcuk2 repos offering same software but one linked to package not avail?21:41
Sho_sp3000: ah, thanks21:41
mgedminlcuk: no21:41
lcukahhh well21:41
lcukim tryin21:41
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mgedminapt-cache policy map shows that it is only available from one repo (tableteer)21:42
sp3000wtf, applications::help21:42
mgedminunless maybe app installer thinks "locally installed and no longer available from anywhere" is also a repository21:42
* jsmith wanders away...21:42
mgedminI upgraded it with sudo apt-get install map21:42
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mgedminit didn't pull in any dependencies, just that one package21:42
* sp3000 wonders if repositories would be a better component21:42
* mgedmin reads bug21:43
mgedminyes, maybe it's the missing signature that's the problem21:43
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sp3000hmm, I get OK/Cancel21:45
pupnikstar trek - the cage was really good21:46
* sp3000 lives dangerously and goes with the OK like a good hapless user should21:46
* lcuk thinks sp3000 has vista installed at home :P21:46
sp3000hardly :)21:47
sp3000but I've heard rumors it has some extra user training to help learn to ignore security related dialogs even faster than before, or something21:48
* sp3000 hasn't had the pleasure21:48
lcukwhatever it has it doesnt work - everything is slower/shitter, we have a single machine with it on at work and all i hear from that office is annoyance at the pile of steaming poo21:49
czrthat's the overall sentiment we have as well21:49
lcukinfact i hear the same kind of grumblings with the other guy working on Visual Studio 2005.  makes sense really MS really have screwed up royally21:50
czrand we have a bunch of vistas21:50
czrI guess home users buying consumer laptops are the worst hit with preinstalled vistas21:50
lcukcant you upgrade vista to the new microsoft operating system.  i've heard rave reviews about this "XP" thing21:51
czrunfortunately xp is not available anymore on consumer laptops21:51
mgedminnah, I tried it, but it isn't as good as ubuntu21:51
lcuki thought it was available as a relicense thing21:51
czrlcuk, afaik no, but I haven't really checked, I don't use windows much (only server/ad admin stuff)21:52
lcukahhh its on VLK only21:52
lcukconsumer versions of all MS programs suck royally (even more than they used to)21:53
* lcuk was happy with software released between 200 and 2003 21:54
alteregoComputers should come with OS.21:54
czrlcuk, a lot of software fits there ;-)21:54
alteregoIt should be an extra.21:54
alteregoIt's almost criminal really.21:54
czralterego, shouldn't you mean?21:55
alteregoI thought the EU was against monopolies.21:55
lcukactually you are right cz, too much21:55
* lcuk limits his choices21:55
alteregoczr, yes. That's what I meant ;)21:55
czralterego, you got me wondering there for a while. windows-fanboy in hiding ;-)21:55
alteregoAfter the European court pissing on microsoft about Media player and internet explorer. You'd think they'd open the way for virgin laptops.21:56
alteregoIn a way it kind of shows how hipocritical they are :P21:56
lcukimagine a new user having to install OS21:56
lcuki can understand the desire to have a ready to run machine21:56
lcukbut the devil is in the details21:57
alteregoSure, that's not the point.21:57
alteregoThe point is it should be an extra.21:57
alteregoThe user doesn't have to know how to install the OS.21:57
czrforcing crap on users is evil, I think we all agree about that.21:57
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alteregoThey just have to stick the windows restore CD in the drive.21:57
lcuknot all the time they dont - some systems dont even have a restore disk...21:57
alteregoI'm sure they can cope with a couple of wizard style questions like: Your name, A password.21:58
alteregolcuk, I'm just merely giving a resolution :P21:58
lcukyour SSID, bank account, mothers maiden name21:58
czr"your credit card number"21:58
czrlcuk, beat me to it :-)21:58
alteregoSome computers don't come with an OS :P21:58
lcukgood job im on my big pooter now21:58
czryeah, I was talking about consumer laptops before that come with vista..21:58
lcukyer - mainly the ones that claim to have windows on21:58
czrit's not an OS, it's just pure POS.21:59
alteregoVista really is a bit broken right now. Reminds me of how bad XP was when that got released.21:59
alteregoTook over a year. ~2 for it to actually become stable.21:59
alteregoAnd even then/now ...21:59
lcuki dont think so - xp wasnt broken it just had more eye candy21:59
czrthe major grunmble I have with vista is it's GUI21:59
czrand the ways that they've modified how everything works21:59
czrstuff that I need is hidden much deeper now.21:59
lcukvista isnt eye candy, its the major changes21:59
alteregoYou can get Vista to look like standard explorer.21:59
czrand stuff that I never need fills up all the GUI22:00
lcukbut it doesnt feel like it22:00
alteregoYeah, can't argue with that :)22:00
czralterego, it goes much further than just explorer.22:00
czrbut anyhow, enough bitching (for me), need to get some food.. later all :-)22:00
lcukcya czr :)22:00
alteregoczr, I had the same issue from 2k -> XP.22:00
czralterego, oh, I feel your pain22:00
alteregoThey just covered everything up with big friendly icons.22:00
lcukbut under the hood, zp was 2k essentially22:01
czrswitching to "windows classic" theme is still the first thing I do with XP22:01
alteregoXP/2K are NT22:01
alteregoEssentially :P22:01
lcukwith vista there is so much different you cant just cover it over22:01
czryou can22:01
czryou use tin-foil22:01
lcukyer and nt4 was miles better than 9x22:01
lcukplenty of it22:01
alteregoczr, throw it out the window ;)22:01
alteregoOh, crap.22:01
czronly after covering it with tin-foil :-)22:01
czryeah, /me be off -> :-)22:01
alteregoI was gonna look into 3D hardware acceleration in my VM's ..22:02
lcuklook into it on the 2420 first ;)22:02
Veggen<---is in denial about Windows. "I don't know any Windows" has been my answer to any Windows-related things at work (and private) for ages. It makes life easier.22:02
Veggenmuch easier.22:02
lcukveggen i wish i could22:02
Veggenit's easier than you think.22:02
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* lcuk is feeling his way slowly around linux now properly for first time22:03
czr"I don't know much about windows, and I wish to learn less"22:03
Veggenbut you'll have to learn something else that's needed, and preferably well.22:03
lcuknot just "ive got a live cd and it looks good"22:03
alteregoI'm just happy I don't _have_ to use it. And that when I do have to use it, whilst fixing others' machines. I don't mind because it's never for more than a couple of hours at the most.22:03
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czralterego, it takes more than two hours to reinstall the machine (with 10*reboots because of security fixes)22:03
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lcukthe problem is, a windows system can be clean reliable fast and smooth - its just too damned easy to mess it up22:04
alteregoWell, that would be the case. But I have a slipstream disk that I keep pretty up-to-date.22:04
czrI prefer images nowadays22:04
czralthough you need fast storage and a lot of it for them to be useful22:05
czr(or some more intelligent image format)22:05
* lcuk checks when he installed this windows system22:05
VeggenI know a guy whose idea of windows recovery was to check out the last known good version of his windows file system from cvs ;)22:05
alteregoYeah, I like my RAID 0 ;)22:05
alteregoAnd qemu/kvm images just take what they need when they need it.22:05
Veggen(i.e. he had "windows recovery" long before Microsoft invented it, but by mounting it in Linux and recover it from cvs ;)22:06
alteregoVeggen, that's pretty cool :)22:06
alteregoProbably better than Windows restore too! :D22:06
t_s_oi got windows recovery right here, by storing everything important (install files for apps included) on a separate drive. so that i can at any moment nuke the windows drive and reinstall...22:07
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t_s_ohmm, mail on the ipod touch. N800 anyone?22:07
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alteregot_s_o, I think the point is, the install process is so damn tedious nuking your drive once a week becomes a _real_ pain in the ass.22:08
lcukinstalled january 2006, and that was only because i got a new motherboard/drive etc and wanted a clean out22:08
t_s_oalterego: ones a week?!22:08
alteregoSorry, I don't use windows. I don't know it's life expectancy right now :P22:09
lcukin the hands of a novice xp might last 10 days to a fortnight22:09
Tama^2Khertan: I have downloaded the new version of your python bindings and they work for me22:10
lcukanyway - im gonna play with some python tonight22:11
t_s_oalterego: well i only boot it for a spot of gaming ever so often so...22:11
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lcukdoes Steam/orange box work with transgaming?22:11
t_s_ohmm, just looked at the N810 specs on and i see it lists a 256MB flash alongside the 128MB of ram, is that some kind of swap solution?22:12
LinuxCode128MB ram22:12
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LinuxCodeit has 2GB internal SDHC card22:12
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lcukyer - soldered on22:14
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* lcuk supposes a determined person could change it22:14
LinuxCodeI think thats the only grudge I have for it22:14
LinuxCodethe N800 was better like that22:14
LinuxCodebut the case makes up for that22:14
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lcukthey couldnt have done gps maps without something fixed and onboard22:15
lcukand dependable22:15
LinuxCodealso you dont want to change the sd card often22:15
LinuxCodethe opening is flimsy22:15
LinuxCodeI will buy a 8GB card and never touch it22:15
* pH5 wishes they had used dual microsd slots instead of minisd + emmc22:15
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* lcuk will agree when he runs out of space22:16
LinuxCodelcuk, haha22:16
LinuxCodeI want to take some books with me22:16
lcukits minisdhc though so should follow the available capacities22:16
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qnr-ltare there instructions for booting from the MMC card for an n800 running OS2008?  The procedure I used for n800/2007 doesn't seem to be working22:17
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qnr-ltto clarify, for setting it up, not for the actual booting22:19
lcukdont know qnr, just getting into the first os without worrying about another22:20
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qnr-ltok, thanks lcuk22:20
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* qnr-lt was spoiled by having the system on a 4Gb card, wants it back :)22:21
lcukhave you tried ITT forums?22:21
* lcuk starts you off22:21
qnr-ltthanks, no, at the moment, I've only been looking at the wikis22:22
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lcukwhats the difference between classes of mini sd cards (class 2 vs class 6) ???22:24
dhdqnr-lt: what's the actual problem you're having, my N800 is booting from MMC without any problems22:24
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qnr-ltdhd, tbh, I haven't repartitioned or reformatted... the card is already partitioned.  just running initfs_flasher, there is nothing in there for the N800 & OS2008 - and it fails with a number of errors, for example: "Cannot find initfs.bootmenu.jffs2"22:28
sparrwwhat is the 770 lcd?  manufacturer, part #, specs, etc?22:28
qnr-ltdhd, yeah, that's what I used for my N800/OS2007 and it worked great, just not working with OS200822:28
dhddid you get the latest initfs_flasher?22:29
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qnr-ltwell, I downloaded the one that was linked in the wiki page... I'll go check and see if there are updated versions22:29
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qnr-ltguess I could try the N810 one [random thought]22:31
lcukos2008 software is for both 800 and 81022:32
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qnr-ltyeah, I know, I'm running OS2008 at the moment :)22:34
lcukwhich hardware tho22:34
* lcuk read it as though you were on 80022:35
qnr-ltI'll go format the mmc card again22:35
qnr-ltyes, I'm on an N80022:35
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hachihow do I get modest to flush its changes to my mailbox?22:43
hachiI keep reading emails in it, it marks them as read22:43
hachiand my imap server has no clue about this22:44
hachiI can DELETE them, and my imap server has no clue about this22:44
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chrisakhachi: same for me; I don't have a solution tho.  I was thinking it was just a testing/beta release ... looking great so far :)23:01
t_s_ohmm, latest modest nosedives here if i try to check a pop account with actual mails waiting...23:01
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t_s_oalso, i cant seem to connect to msn using the beta chat23:05
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Vulcanisleave the ghost... its my desktop23:06
VulcanisOr kick him, I don't care, I guess.23:06
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Takbtw, are the US discount codes working for anyone yet?23:24
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Cptnodegardwtf is the cuircuit inside the ca100 for?23:41
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Cptnodegardthe nokia charger already is 5v, dont see why it cant run straight off usb23:41
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