IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2008-01-15

maddlerGeneralAntilles: yeo00:00
maddleryeo = yes00:00
sp3000defishguy: happens to some people ...find / file a bug and include your details00:00
defishguysp3000:  tx00:01
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GeneralAntillesdefishguy, it seems to be an issue with one or more of the akamai mirrors.00:03
inztekonivel, that has been suggested before and I almost started implementing it00:03
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inztekonivel, I just haven't had motivation to work on the xterm lately00:04
defishguyGeneralAntilles:  Do you have the ip of a mirror?00:05
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GeneralAntillesThat one works for me.00:07
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hd420anyone know of a shopping list app for the n800?00:23
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||cwhd420: how is that different from a notepad?00:29
defishguyGeneralAntilles:  fyi.  I found the problem.  I have a transparent proxy at home and disabling the proxy server opened things up nicely.00:30
johnx||cw, maybe little ticky boxes to mark off things you already bought?00:30
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hd420||cw: it's more a spreadsheet than a notepad, mate00:30
||cwwell, gnumeric is available... as is GPE-todo00:30
||cwI haven't noticed one specific for shopping though00:31
hd420||cw: is openoffice available?00:31
||cwOOo is far too fat00:32
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||cwgnumeric is pretty good though00:32
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pupnik_maddler: found a way to turn it off - turn off the autocomplete under language settings00:48
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spirytusick||cw: and abiword is just around the corner for os200800:49
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spirytusicktime to go...00:55
spirytusickc ya all00:55
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hd420what's the default password for user on the n800?01:09
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hd420inz: sudo works just like that?01:10
inzhd, only for certain commands01:10
hd420inz: i need to remove packages using apt-get01:11
hd420barring that, if there's a way around using apt-get01:11
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jga23anybody know how to remap the back key on the n810 to the menu button?01:12
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jga23I found this: with a comment by tajuma, but the key code is missing01:16
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jottjga23: you could use xev to find out keycodes. (menu is F4 btw).01:26
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|tbb|anyone noticed, that the screen shut off, if u lock the keyboard and screen? But this only works when u have set both minutes to same value on brightness control. does this make sense01:36
pupnikno i didn't notice01:39
pupnikwant me to test?01:39
|tbb|i would like to know whats the purpose of it01:40
pupnikcan you tell me how to put n810 to sleep?  with 770 i just put the cover on.01:40
GeneralAntillesYou can edit the behaviour in /etc/mce/mce.ini01:40
GeneralAntilleslock it, or let it sit, pupnik.01:41
|tbb|first i was thinking its a bug cause i have installed abc from rm_you, but know i found out its the settings01:41
pupnikok thanks GeneralAntilles01:41
GeneralAntilles|tbb|, the delays and timings and such are all editable in /etc/mce/mce.ini01:41
pupnikGeneralAntilles: with n810 i find that connecting to many sites in browser yields a long 'connecting....' wait01:41
pupnikin 770, when i had wlan, it connected to sites fast01:42
pupnikwith 810 i sit and wait 30 seconds to connect to a webpage01:42
GeneralAntillesCould be the powersaving01:42
GeneralAntilleswhat router do you have?01:42
pupnikthis was in a bar tonight01:42
pupnikclicking mnay times on a link seemed to speed it up01:43
pupniki saw options to extend timeouts01:43
GeneralAntillesI'm inclined to blame it on the powersaving with a mediocre router.01:43
GeneralAntillesBut, who knows.01:43
jottdmesg? :P01:44
pupnikyeah well... the first thing i missed in my on-the-go n810 test was xchat01:45
pupnikirssi is doable with dpkg -i, pidgin SUCKS for irc...01:45
GeneralAntillesPidgin sucks in general on the tablets.01:46
jotti like irssi on the n810 ;)01:46
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pupnikjott, how do you switch servers - on PC it is alt-X01:46
jottit's ctrl-x here ..hmm01:46
pupnikoh? maybe i am insane01:47
jottanyway i'm thinking about mapping Chr to alt, as you just mention alt ..01:47
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jottchr is useless anyway :)01:47
|tbb|when does changes take effect if i changed something in mce.ini01:47
|tbb|reboot with ac plugged in also?01:48
GeneralAntillesthat wont restart x01:49
GeneralAntillesjust reboot normally01:49
pupnikwhat is 'chr' for jott?01:49
pupniki was thinking of mapping left shift01:49
jottthe "Chr" key pops up an addional on-screen bar with extra keys01:49
|tbb|BlankImmediately=1, will fit in my needs ;)01:49
jottmaybe one could put this to Fn+Chr ;)01:51
|tbb|damn, but then the slide out/in will not worked, the screen wake up but not shuts down then ;(01:51
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GeneralAntillesMmm . . . FreeCiv01:52
joshinNitro tha CiMien01:53
jottoh Chr is "Multi_key"01:53
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GeneralAntillesjoshin, stick to one channel when you're pirating.01:54
pupnikhmm... well my first test with the n810 on the town tonight was not successful.  gorgeous women did not flock to me because of the n810 sexiness.01:55
joshinUmmm, what are you seeing?  I'm trying to send some XP drivers to someone in a different channel.01:55
GeneralAntilles<joshin>Nitro tha CiMien01:55
GeneralAntillesHahaha, pupnik.01:56
hachiI'm having issues where everything... and I mean everything seems to crash on my n81001:56
jottpupnik: she probably thought you would surf porn sites :P01:56
hachithe mail client, pidgin, maps01:56
GeneralAntilleshachi, are you using virtual memory?01:56
hachithey just silently close far too much01:56
hachino I'm not, does that actually help?01:56
GeneralAntillesIs your internal flash corrupted?01:56
hachithe idea of using VM on flash scares the crap outta me :)01:57
GeneralAntillesWell corrupted flash + VM means lots of crashing.01:57
GeneralAntillesEh, it's not very swappy.01:57
hachino VM01:57
GeneralAntillesSo it hardly writes to the flash.01:57
GeneralAntillesHave you tried a restart? :P01:57
hachithis seemed to get worse with the update from last... friday?01:58
hachibut I only had the device a few days before that01:58
hachiso I don't know01:58
GeneralAntillesIt's older than that.01:58
GeneralAntillesfwiw, the built-in mail client is shit01:58
hachiit is? the news I saw announcing it was the DAY that I started talking about it01:58
GeneralAntillescrashes a LOT01:58
hachimodest is crashing too01:59
GeneralAntillesmodest is in flux01:59
hachibut what bothers me is that they silently shut down01:59
GeneralAntilles"Map" is also shit.01:59
hachisyslog is really noisy, I'm gonna try to filter that down and log it to flash01:59
GeneralAntillesPidgin I don't use because it's a rather poor solution on Hildon.01:59
lcuk_2defishwell arent we a great bunch of nokia fanboys!02:00
pupnikmaybe pidgin is ok for IM02:00
hachiyeah, but telepathy's non-purple xmpp connector doesn't support anything but SASL auth02:00
pupnikfor irc, it needs standard command line commands - /connect /join ...02:00
hachiso I can't use the builtin IM client for 3 of the 3 xmpp networks I use02:00
GeneralAntilleshachi, did you file a bug?02:01
hachiand yes, this is my own damned fault cause I'm the only active maintainer of the jabber server left, but still... I'm lazy :)02:01
hachino need to file a bug, it's my own fault02:01
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GeneralAntillesWell, isn't it something it should support anyway?02:02
mardi_anyone give me reason why should boot of SD card?02:02
hachiI don't know, they also have a libpurple connector, I should ask them if their plan is to switch to libpurple or not02:03
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hachiif I enable VM, does it use the MTD, the MMC or the SD card for VM?02:03
GeneralAntillesmardi_, having a backup that you can switch to easily is a good reason02:03
GeneralAntillesotherwise, there's not much point.02:03
GeneralAntilleshachi, I don't know on the N810.02:04
mardi_I see most of the guides tell you how to setup boot from 2GB SD card,  mines a 4GB.  What size partitions should I set for things, would you recomend?02:04
|tbb|i wonder why connection trough ssh to my n810 take so long, i mean that time before i can type the password, about 10 seconds02:05
GeneralAntillesIt's weird like that every once and a while02:06
GeneralAntillesReboot solves it for me.02:06
GeneralAntillesOnly happens about once a month.02:06
|tbb|then your more lucky than me02:07
jotthachi: the internal mmc is used for swap, but you could also create a custom swap partition..02:07
ds3okay, what is the expect behavior with a bluetooth keyboard - there doesn't seem to be a menu option to connect to a BT keyboard like with the kbdd driver in OS2007?02:07
hachijott, that's fine, I just wasn't sure whether it was the mtd or the mmc02:07
hachiI may create my own :)02:07
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GeneralAntillesInitial pairing or general usage, ds3?02:08
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ds3GeneralAntilles: general usage02:08
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ds3it is pair, and it worked that time02:08
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GeneralAntillesType on the keyboard to wake it from sleep and either close it or let it idle for 3 minutes to disconnect.02:08
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ds3oh so I do not need to manually manage it?02:09
|tbb|ive noticed if im online but not much traffic goes through the wlan and then i try to ping to the router, it takes 3-4 seconds before i get response, if i try it again, seconds later it give me response in a hurry02:09
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|tbb|is this powersave?02:09
GeneralAntillesNo, ds3.02:09
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GeneralAntilles|tbb|, shouldn't be.02:09
GeneralAntillesCould be if the router has poor powersaving support, though, I suppose.02:09
hachiGeneralAntilles: what is the powersaving called, is there a spec or anything?02:10
GeneralAntillesDunno, though.02:10
lcuk_2does anyone know if a powered hub with a nokia charging attachment will actually charge the device?02:10
hachiI run a custom AP and I haven't been able to figure out what the settings are related to... I  figured it ws the becon interval mostly02:10
hachibut I'm not sure02:10
ds3that could be ARP delays02:12
GeneralAntillesHow do you mean, lcuk_2? N800 <- USB-to-barrel -> Powered hub?02:12
lcuk_2n810 but yes02:12
GeneralAntillesIt'll be a little slower than the wallwart02:13
GeneralAntillesbut, yeah.02:13
lcuk_2as long as it goes up on average thats fine02:13
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Deliothe charger form nokia has a 980mA rating while an USB port has a maximum current of 500mA02:15
lcuk_2if i disconnect can some1 tell me because i cant see my screen and i will have got the wrong one02:15
Delioit may be not healthy for your hub to charge an N8x002:15
lcuk_2the hub is a £5 wonder horse02:15
lcuk_2i dun care about its health as long as it doesnt blow me up02:15
Deliocorrection: the wall charger's rating is 890mA02:16
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|tbb|GeneralAntilles: do you know how to control the backlight of the keyboard?02:16
GeneralAntillesDelio, the car chargers are rated for about 360mA02:16
lcuk_2i dont understand why we cant just charge from usb and be done with it02:16
ds3is this going to turn into the modern version the mouse's revenge (where the home owner tries to burn a mouse but the flaming mouse runs in and burns down the house)?02:16
GeneralAntilles|tbb|, N810 specific stuff is not my field. ;)02:16
lcuk_2are you gettin one ant?02:17
GeneralAntilleslcuk_2, probably some complication with host-mode and the fact that USB doesn't provide nearly as much power as the barrel.02:17
DelioGeneralAntilles: ah, interesting. OK then it should work02:17
GeneralAntillesthe N810 is garbage02:17
GeneralAntillesDelio, and it does charge when it's plugged in in the car playing mp3s and doing GPS.02:17
* lcuk_2 was attracted by the shiney and now is hooking up a keyboard, you do the math02:18
GeneralAntillesThere's no advantage over the N800.02:18
GeneralAntillesJust less storage and more cost.02:18
* GeneralAntilles wants his N900.02:18
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* ds3 wishes for a more modern Z instead ;)02:19
Juhazcharging 770 from various power sources including but not limited to several usb ports, 4x1.5V AA batteries, ..., bit on both sides of 5V and varying amperage hasn't hurt either the device or said power sources02:19
Juhazbut perhaps n8xx are more picky02:19
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lcuk_2i am happy about having a keyboard even if it is not perfect - i tried the onscreen one and would not be able to use it02:19
lcuk_2and i couldnt carry around a bt one02:20
ds3why not carry around a BT kb?02:20
* lcuk_2 could still kill the guy who missed off the tab key02:20
|tbb|lcuk_2: tell me if you have found them, he should learn how to use shell02:22
GeneralAntilleslcuk_2, it's a matter of practice02:22
GeneralAntillesThe onscreen thumbboard is actually very good once you get a feel for its quirks.02:22
GeneralAntillesI do about 35wpm on average02:23
lcuk_2i bet you do but it covers up most of the screen02:23
lcuk_2have you seen this strange one which shows through the screen and you type from the back02:24
lcuk_2not nokia btw02:24
GeneralAntillesWhich is why I've been arguing for a transparency.02:24
lcuk_2since you know it so well could you cope with a fine layout on a transparent antiscratch cover02:25
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lcuk_2as in the KB doesnt actually show up on screen you just bash where it should be as usual02:25
GeneralAntillesCan't touch type without separate keys. :P02:26
lcuk_2but your thumbs must have muscle memory02:27
GeneralAntillesNot without some sort of calibration.02:28
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GeneralAntillesWhich are the keys on a real keyboard or the screen on the N800.02:28
lcuk_2just a thought..02:30
lcuk_2wheres the best place to put a shell script which i can just open term and run without specifying a path?02:30
lcuk_2or the inverse, how do i find the current path02:31
GeneralAntillesWell, you should add /usr/local/bin to the search path02:31
lcuk_2and search thing02:31
GeneralAntillesand stick stuff there02:31
GeneralAntillesor just use /usr/bin02:31
jottor ~/bin .. or PATH=$PATH:/whatever ;)02:31
lcuk_2/usr/local/bin - would that be just for my user or would it work if i ssh'ed in?02:32
lcuk_2(as root)02:32
jottif you extend the path in /etc/profile its global02:32
lcuk_2thanks ill take a look02:33
* lcuk_2 still has a lot to learn02:33
* jott throws a big and heavy linux/unix book at lcuk_2 02:33
|tbb|anyone else got this, keyboard blight goes out and not on anymore, before slidein/out the keyboard02:34
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lcuk_2tbb - i get it flashing02:34
lcuk_2jott, thanks is that in fbreader format?02:34
jottlcuk_2: you'll probably find a good one (or at least could convert it)02:35
|tbb|lcuk_2: ?02:35
lcuk_2keyboard flashes at me if i catch it as its going off and i need to open close it02:36
lcuk_2timings for the backlight are awful02:36
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|tbb|ah k02:37
lcuk_2there isnt a centralised power profile settings area for this device is there02:38
lcuk_2as in, screen, keyboard backlight, network connection even clock speed02:38
* lcuk_2 wonders if its hiding away02:39
GeneralAntillesThe mildly funny thing about /usr/local is that it's stuff that the OS shouldn't touch during upgrades02:41
GeneralAntillesexcept we do all of our upgrades by writing over the rootfs.02:41
pupnikGeneralAntilles: what would you think of FN+Space = Tab?02:41
pupnikand one of the shift buttons = alt?02:42
GeneralAntillesSounds fine to me, but I've only used the N810's keyboard once.02:42
ds3so /usr/local should reside on yet another mtd partition }:-)02:42
jotti have Fn+Backspace=Tab02:42
lcuk_2pup - are you on 810 and have you considered the centre D pad02:42
jottworks quite nice02:42
|tbb|fn+backspace shows desktop for me ;)02:43
jottis there actually some documentation (or reverse engineering) of the dsmesock stuff?02:44
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|tbb|gnite everyone02:50
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blackmadis there a way to kkill maemo_af_desktop without rebooting the device?03:08
GeneralAntillesConnect a bluetooth keyboard?03:12
blackmadwhen I ssh in and kill the maemo_af_desktop process, the system reboots03:12
GeneralAntillesThat would be the hardware watchdog03:13
GeneralAntilleswhy do you want to kill it?03:13
blackmadbecause I don't want to ever see the desktop, trying to have the device open up, play a video and then go blank03:15
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GeneralAntillesYou'll have to disable the watchdog with the flasher03:15
GeneralAntillesbut then you're about 10x more likely to brick your device.03:15
blackmadhow so? can't I always yank out the battery?03:15
* lcuk_2 thinks thats very user friendly03:17
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lcuk_2whos got host mode working on 8x0? and why would a keyboard work earlier but not now?  ive checked everything i can out - host mode works, a usb mem stick operates directly, the hub works mem stick through there as well, the keyboard works, checked with this windows device.  on 810 though now the caps lock light works only03:20
lcuk_2ive tried rebooting and changing back to host mode with the /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode script cos without it nothing works..03:21
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mshlcuk_2: it's not using a ps2-usb adapter is it?03:28
lcuk_2no, its a brand new (tho cheap) usb hub - the KB was working perfectly without it earlier tho03:29
lcuk_2it continued to work with it as well after i connected03:29
ds3the N800 with OS2008 works with SDHC cards right?03:30
lcuk_2ahhh msh - no, its a direct 100% usb connection to the keyboard03:30
lcuk_2logitech barebones plainjane keyboard, no multimedia functions03:30
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lcuk_2the one difference, earlier the caps lock light did not light but worked.  now it lights when pressed but the rest of the board doesnt03:31
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blackmadoh, neat, I can just open a new X session03:35
blackmadnow, is there xsetbg compiled for the 770?03:35
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lcuk_2hmmmmmmm i bashed the keys it rebooted - now its back on its working - i think the usb chip got a bit muddled03:39
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blackmadxsetroot? anyone?03:48
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blackmadwhy doesn't xsetroot actually change the color?03:53
blackmaduit flashes the screen and then it stays white03:53
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hachiin full sun will the n810 power down the backlight because it knows ahead of time that it can't handle driving it bright enough?04:07
hachiI live in SF, haven't had a chance to test it in full sun yet :)04:07
lcuk_2if you are anything like me then you will disable it before you get the chance (disable = putting a sticker over it because the changing brightness will annoy you)04:08
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DelioIs the weather in SF so crappy or you guys have boreal winter darkness at lower latitudes these days? ;-P04:09
hachinah, it's fine for me04:10
hachino, but we don't get full sun right now04:10
hachiwe get this... foggy/cloudy sun in the winter04:10
hachithere will be a sunny day sometime here04:10
hachihave you ever heard the joke "the coldest winter was a summer I spent in san francisco" ?04:11
* GeneralAntilles likes sun.04:11
DelioFirst time I hear the joke, funny :)04:11
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lophytehi all, can't seem to get usb host mode working with os2008 on my n800... is it just a matter of 'echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb/hdrc/mode' ?04:57
petergunnI used a modified mini-A cable that switched automatically05:00
lophyteI modified a mini-A cable to have a female connector rather than a male connector05:00
lophyteI'm trying to plug in a USB flash drive but its not doing anything05:00
petergunnu sure its a mini-A? it wont fit in the mini-B slot in the n800 without mods05:01
lophyteer, sorry...05:01
lophyteI basically took the USB cable that came with the N800, hacked off the end, and soldered on a female connector05:01
petergunnah - then u definately need to switch manually05:02
petergunnbefore connecting cable05:02
lophyteby just echoing host into that path?05:02
lophyteor is there something else?05:02
petergunnnope should just be the echo - check the path is right05:03
lophyteit is..05:03
lophytedo I need extra kernel modules to handle usb storage devices? or a modified kernel?05:04
petergunnnope os2008 is fine05:04
petergunnu did flash right?05:04
* petergunn brb05:04
lophyteI flashed os2008 on it a few nights ago05:04
lophytethe latest image05:04
lophyteonly thing I notice is this...05:05
lophytewhen I echo host, and then cat that file, it says 'a_wait_bcon'05:05
lophytethen I plug the cable in with a USB flash drive attached05:05
lophyteand it changes to 'a_idle'05:05
lophytebut thats it05:05
petergunnecho host> /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode05:08
lophyteyeah that's what I'm doing05:09
petergunnnot what u wrote before05:09
lophyteyeah I wrote that from memory05:09
lophyteI meant _05:09
petergunnu doig it as root right?05:09
petergunnmight be worth trying the wiki scripts05:10
petergunnu sure u wired it right?05:12
Deliopetergunn: you said something about an auto switching cable before (?)05:14
Deliocan you clarify or tell me more, pls05:14
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petergunnYup on n800s u can use a modified mini-A usb cable05:14
petergunnjust modify the end so it fits in the slot05:14
petergunnor use a mini-B (like the one you got with the n800) and short pins 4+505:15
petergunnjust plug in and go05:15
petergunnu just reminded me - was going to plug in a usb->net to see what happens05:16
Deliothanks, petergunn05:20
Delionow I will have to refresh my memory about what is the difference between mini a and mini b cables05:20
petergunnnot enuf power for usb->net :/05:20
Delio(i.e. I want to figure our *why* it works automatically)05:20
petergunnmini-a is white end doesnt fit into mini-b without mod (i.e. file it down a bit on the sides)05:21
petergunnmini-a has pin-5 shorted to pin-4 - os2008 detects and switches to host mode05:21
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lophytehm, no luck05:38
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penguinbaitanyone recommend a good hosting company? with lots of bandwidth at a low price :)05:39
lophytethere's no way to just plug the n800 into a hub and use that for usb host mode is there?05:40
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kriebelwhile you can plug it into a hub, hubs are not hosts05:55
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dragornkriebel: have you tested with a hub?  The OTG chipset isn't *supposed* to support hubs.  I had little luck in my tests.06:05
dragornlophyte: you can set it to host mode via sysfs06:05
dragornlophyte: find /sys -name \*musb\* .. I forget the exact path.06:06
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Mooleranybody know if the NuvoPearl theme was ever ported to OS200806:08
GeneralAntillesNot so far06:08
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Moolerbeautiful theme that was06:09
GeneralAntillesPlankton is better. :P06:09
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MoolerI do like Plankton I have to say myself06:09
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GeneralAntillesThe built-in themes in OS2008 are the first ones that haven't been completely awful.06:17
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skiburDoes anybody have the orginal RSS FEEDs that nokia preintalled?07:06
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bender183sorry about that07:14
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hachianyone have an idea how long an n810 lasts once battery is 'low' ?07:31
hachibrand new07:31
hachiI suppose I could ssh into it and see if there are acpi battery stats07:31
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tank-manclick the battery icon and it will give an estimate07:35
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qnrHmmm... ok, I changed the machine name in /etc/hosts (but not in hostname) ... now, I can't do a sudo gainroot to change it back, since it comes back with "unable to lookup (oldhostname) via gethostbyname()" .. any recommendations?08:21
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qnrI've restored from my last backup, that didn't help08:21
* qnr tries booting from flash to see if he can mount and edit the mmc card that holds /etc08:24
melmothsetting a fake dns server that would give the old hostnampe ip ?08:27
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qnrwell, currently, it doesn't the ip address is assigned to the wireless access point :/ not to the n80008:31
qnrwell, I could figure this out, but I've been putting off installing OS2008 on that card... I should probably do that now that things are a little mixed up08:32
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unique311is there a reason why xmame for maemo is at 0.58 and the version made available on the xmame site is at 0.106?09:03
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qnrFor future reference, I was able to gain root by rapidly scrolling up and hitting return a number of times (took many more times because the last command in my root history was "reboot" lol )09:07
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astro76unique311: the 0.58 is the last version before some changes which made emulation more accurate but slower10:14
astro76this version is often used on low end machines10:14
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unique311no roms work on this version10:17
astro76well, they can be found, or you can possibly convert yours using clrmamepro and a 0.58 dat file10:17
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Tama^2some do work10:19
unique311now this dat file10:20
unique311i've been looking for it10:20
astro76hmm 0.36 was the old version I was thinking of, but I assume it's the same reason with 0.5810:20
unique311can't located it10:20
unique311maybe thats my problem, huh10:20
Tama^2usually the same shady places where you can find roms :P10:20
unique311so it doesn't come with the DAT file10:21
astro76also, there's something called rollback sets which will contain any missing roms to make your new sets into the old sets10:21
astro76still need the dat10:21
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unique311and the DAT goes in /usr/share/games/xmame?10:21
astro76no it's used with clrmamepro which is a windows program10:22
astro76it does work in wine though10:22
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unique311will give it a try10:22
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hachimaemo-launcher on my n810 is taking up 100% of the cpu, how can I figure out what's causing this?10:28
hachistrace is showing it talking over dbus to flash the led10:30
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Tama^2it's probably invoking the builtin email client ;)10:30
hachiI think it's invoking modest10:31
proteousI invoke panic :/10:31
hachiwell, this isn't good at all... I reduced my inbox to 1200 messages total and it still can't handle it?10:32
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djcbmodest does not use maemo-launcher10:33
hachithe builtin email client has no config10:33
djcbwell, whatever maemo-launcher is doing, it's not starting modest10:33
hachi{"\31\0\0\0PatternCommunicationEmail\0", 30}10:34
hachimodest is running, and I just rebooted it10:34
hachididn't launch10:34
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hachioooh, notifications.db10:36
hachiI can customize my colors using sqlite10:36
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Piotrasstupid question: how can I install libreadline5-dev inside scratchbox ( ARM target ) *quickly* ?10:37
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hachihow is claws-mail for usability?10:53
GeneralAntillesIt's fine.10:54
GeneralAntillesLittle heavy10:54
GeneralAntillesbut it works well.10:54
hachiwell, modest is causing maemo-launcher to take up tons of cpu :\10:54
hachican't figure out why it was taking up so much cpu10:55
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hachithe strace wasn't showing all that many dbus calls being made.... it was spending a lot of time doing an internal calculation10:55
hachioh you are kidding me10:56
hachiI have ltrace on this platform?10:56
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hachianyone got pand working on OS 2008?11:14
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Java-JimHi! I just discovered the dmsetool on my N770 device. Is the source code for this application available?11:27
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GeneralAntillesJava-Jim, no.11:29
Java-JimGeneralAntilles: Ah, too bad.11:30
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JaffaThere's "powertool" which is an open source replacement, IIRC11:33
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Java-JimJaffa: Do you have an URL for that? "powertool" is a little too generic for Google... :)11:35
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jkuhow usable is the SDK+ now?11:36
jkuI tried a simple project and it was fine, but the build compat list on the SDK+ project page say 30% of packages in maemo  repository fail...11:36
JaffaJava-Jim: powerlaunch, sorry. Seems to replace mce rather than dsme:;#3277311:38
hachianyone have scummvm games working? I dug out my old samnmax floppies and can't get it going :)11:39
Tama^2Sam and mac cd version works for me11:39
hachiI never found the CDRom edition for sale11:39
hachiwas it full talkie?11:39
Tama^2yes, I think so11:40
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michele_hachi: *cough* torrents *cough*11:42
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hachido I have to do something to make talkie work on the maemo build?11:49
hachior is it disabled?11:49
Java-JimJaffa: Thank you!11:50
Tama^2it worked out of the box for me11:50
Tama^2uncompress it of course11:51
hachiuncompress the audio?11:51
Tama^2no the archive with the game in it11:51
hachiI just have a MONSTER.SOU11:51
Tama^2that's fine11:51
hachiyeah, I actually own the games still, so no need :)11:51
Tama^2I pointed SCUMMVM at the directory with the game and it recognized the game and version11:52
Tama^2I own it too :) but it's in some drawer on the other side of the planet xD11:52
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hachiso, there's map data on the mmc that came with the device, am I able to get that data again later, or should I back it up?11:55
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hachioh, apparently the talkie part is missing at the beginning of the game11:56
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GeneralAntillesYou can download it again.11:57
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hachiI thought this device couldn't play vorbis files natively, but then the mapping application has all its audio encoded in vorbis?12:03
hachior is the media player app just dumb that way?12:04
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pupnik_hachi, well it's software12:05
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kulve  Hi12:25
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Khertanhachi> 501 Syntax: EHLO hostname12:44
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mardi_anyone followed this guide to install KDE on SD >
* mardi_ is a bit stuck 12:57
Nermalwhere are you stuck ?12:58
mardi_these commands fail >12:58
mardi_# insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko12:58
mardi_# insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko12:58
mardi_with "file exists" message12:58
mardi_N800, OS2008, 4GB card in external slot12:59
nomismardi_: then these kernel modules are already loaded into the kernel.12:59
Nermalprobably means the modules are already loaded12:59
nomismardi_: "lsmod" should show you them.12:59
mardi_mkdir /opt/   then says "cannot create"12:59
Nermalare you root ?12:59
mardi_SSH'ed in, logged in as root13:00
Nermaluh .. don't put a trailing / on13:00
Nermalso mkdir /opt13:00
mardi_same message13:01
Nermalhum :Z13:01
mardi_lsmod output..13:01
mardi_Nokia-N800-50-2:~# lsmod13:01
mardi_Module                  Size  Used by13:01
mardi_ext2 51080 0 - Live 0xbf08500013:01
mardi_ext3 107304 0 - Live 0xbf06900013:01
mardi_jbd 51592 1 ext3, Live 0xbf05b00013:01
mardi_mbcache 7108 2 ext2,ext3, Live 0xbf05800013:01
mardi_g_file_storage 27560 0 - Live 0xbf05000013:01
mardi_cx3110x 56200 0 - Live 0xbf04100013:01
mardi_umac 258788 1 cx3110x, Live 0xbf000000 (P)13:01
Nermalwell they're loaded13:02
Nermaldo you have space on /13:02
mardi_could you please explain    "space on /"13:02
Nermaldo you have space on the device13:02
Nermalwhat does df -h |grep 4 show you ?13:03
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mardi_Nokia-N800-50-2:~# df -h |grep 413:05
mardi_none                    512.0k     92.0k    420.0k  18% /mnt/initfs/tmp13:05
mardi_none                    512.0k     92.0k    420.0k  18% /tmp13:05
mardi_Nokia-N800-50-2:~# /dev/mtdblock4            2.0M      2.0M         0 100% /mnt/initfs13:06
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mardi_-sh: /dev/mtdblock4: Permission denied13:06
mardi_Nokia-N800-50-2:~# none                    512.0k     92.0k    420.0k  18% /mnt/initfs/tmp13:06
mardi_-sh: none: not found13:06
mardi_Nokia-N800-50-2:~# /dev/mtdblock4          251.5M    228.2M     23.3M  91% /13:06
mardi_-sh: /dev/mtdblock4: Permission denied13:06
mardi_Nokia-N800-50-2:~# none                    512.0k     92.0k    420.0k  18% /tmp13:06
mardi_-sh: none: not found13:06
Nermalok - so you have 23.3 mb free on /13:07
Nermalwhich should be ok13:07
mardi_which line tells you that?13:07
NermalNokia-N800-50-2:~# /dev/mtdblock4          251.5M    228.2M     23.3M  91% /13:07
mardi_ahh, I see13:08
mardi_should I worry about the permission denied messages?13:08
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NermalI don;t think so13:08
Nermalhmm.. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to make that dir :(13:09
mardi_so that 256mb is the memoy in the N800?13:09
DistUhh, what did you paste??13:09
mardi_and the 512?   is that the partition I created on the SD card?13:09
Nermalno - that's 512k13:09
Nermalnot sure where the sd card is - you should try the same df -h but don't put the grep in13:10
Nermaland don't paste all the output ;)13:10
Nermaluse for large pastes13:10
DistDid you paste your df output to your shell and pasted output of that here? =D13:10
Nermalcan you paste the output of the command "mount" to pastebin ?13:10
NermalDist, aye  :|13:10
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mardi_df -h  does not show much :/13:13
Nermal/dev/mmcblk0p1            3.7G      3.1G    651.1M  83% /media/mmc213:14
NermalI see that on mine for my SD card13:14
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Nermalok your sd card isn't mounted13:15
Nermalhave you tried removing it and inserting it again ?13:15
Nermalthough that still doesn't explain why you can't mkdir /opt/ :|13:16
Nermaloh duh - it already exists13:16
Nermalthats probably why :D13:16
Nermaldo an ls /13:16
Nermaland you should see a directory called opt13:16
Nermalif so - skip that mkdir step :)13:16
mardi_when I was trying it actually on the device I did check with ls and there was no opt13:17
mardi_but yes from remote SSH there is opt13:18
Nermalyou might need some more space on / though for kde13:18
Nermalso you might need to remove some programs (or things like the pdf manuals / demo video)13:18
mardi_just rebooting it13:19
mardi_did I do the right this to partition 4gb SD with 3.5 and 0.5 partitions?13:20
NermalI think so - but I've not installed kde on mine13:21
mardi_thanks - just uninstalling stuff13:21
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mardi_on shutdown, get a message saying memory card corrupt or unformatted :/13:24
KhertanHi again13:24
michele_so is anybody using sardine?13:24
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mardi_and now not seeing the boot menu13:24
b0unc3good morning13:24
Khertanmichele_> last time it was a total failure :)13:24
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Khertanmichele_> why ?13:25
Nermalmardi_, :(I13:26
mardi_start again?13:26
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michele_Khertan: just wondering how stable it was13:27
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Nermalmardi_, you'll need to partition it and format it13:28
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mardi_ok - brb13:28
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michele_Khertan: don't you have a repository for your packages?13:37
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mardi_yay! card looks properly formatted13:43
mardi_still cannot do the  mkdir /opt/  though :/
Nermalbecause it's already there13:43
Nermalyou're doing ls in /home/user13:44
mardi_but ls  does not show it ?13:44
Nermalnot in /13:44
Nermaldo cd /13:44
johnxls /13:44
Nermaland then ls13:44
mardi_ahh,  I see13:44
mardi_so continue and don't worry about it then I guess13:44
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johnxalso, pwd tells you what dir you are in now13:45
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jkuhow does gpsdriver start getting a fix -- does gpsd do some voodoo or what?14:28
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alteregogpsd is started when a program requests to use it.14:33
alteregoThe GPS module is then activated and it's the module that gets the fix.14:34
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|tbb|alterego: even if its not fix ;)14:39
mgedmingpsd conflicts with maemo mapper, doesn't it?14:39
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alteregomaemo mapper uses gpsd.14:41
|tbb|its really neat switching between map(or navap) and maemo-mapper and both works14:43
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alteregomaemo-mapper is awesome :)14:44
jkualterego, thanks. I'm wondering _how_ the module gets activated14:44
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mgedminwhen I tried telling maemo-mapper to use gpsd, it didn't find one14:45
alteregojku, that would be a driver issue.14:45
alteregomgedmin, it needs to be started by the 'map' application.14:45
mgedminthat sucks14:45
alteregoOr something else that knows how to activate it.14:45
mgedminI have to start maps so that I can use maemo-mapper?14:45
alteregoThe author of maemo-mapper hasn't had a chance to play with gpsd activation on maemo.14:45
jkuI can't see anything that would activate the driver in gpsd...14:46
mgedminwhere is it documented, btw?14:46
alteregoIn the maemo documentation section.14:46
jkuand libgpsmgr sources are missing again, so I don't know if it's in there actually14:47
alteregoYes, it'll be in there.14:47
alteregoMore than likely anyhow.14:47
jkualterego, in libgpsmgr?14:47
alteregoProbably, I don't see why it matters though ..14:48
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Cptnodegardbuggy usb host on keyboard14:49
jkuI want to use another gps daemon, in which case I don't need libgpsmgr...14:49
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|tbb|mgedmin: you dont need to start map application14:51
|tbb|do you got a n810?14:51
mgedminbluetooth gps14:51
mgedminmaemo-mapper connects to it, I get a popup 'enable gps'; if I click yes, maemo-mapper loses connection14:51
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|tbb|ah, k then i dont know. on n810 you have to just leave the bluetooth mac address empty and anything works fine14:52
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GeneralAntillesTime to clean your screen. :P14:57
Cptnodegardnah time to take pics without flash14:57
johnxlooks great14:58
Cptnodegardbut the "usb kb disables onscreen kb" bug is killing me14:58
GeneralAntillesDoes it come back after you unplug the keyboard?14:58
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Cptnodegardthats the bug14:58
GeneralAntillesAnything on bugzilla about it?14:59
Cptnodegardtheres a thread on ITT about it where someone is asking to bugzilla it, but i dont know fi they did14:59
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Veggen<--got his n810. 24 1/2 hour from the courier got it until it was in my hands. That's15:03
Veggennot too bad.15:03
Cptnodegardkjøpt fra hvor?15:04
Cptnodegardog pris15:04
VeggenNokia, 379 euro pluss frakt etc.15:05
Veggen(shippet fra Belgia)15:05
Veggenjepp. toll blir det.15:05
Cptnodegarddet er jo... 3200. med toll blir det mer enn den koster på cdon o015:06
|tbb|where to get the n800 that cheap as you can get it in the us states?15:06
BlafaselThe offer seems to beat everything else..15:07
|tbb|where in europe btw15:07
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Cptnodegardi dont even want a n810 xD15:07
Cptnodegardnot enough memory15:07
Cptnodegardhave a 16GB adata card on the way from the us, and a 8gb in it15:08
Cptnodegardfor n80015:08
BlafaselYeah, heard that several times. What exactly are you putting in the card?15:08
Cptnodegardputting in the card?15:08
lcuk_3<- n810 £280   (through work, VAT free)15:08
jotti bet porn :)15:08
Cptnodegardtv shows15:08
BlafaselOn. Typo, i and o being next to each other..15:08
Cptnodegardsince you dont need to convert them i need the etxra space ^^15:09
lcuk_3hmmm i am _315:09
Blafasellcuk_3: I've seen it on for ~350$ (!) last week.15:09
k-wayWhat does a n800 cost these days"15:09
lcuk_3blah - i was gonna get from there but then thought i would be better direct from nokia - since i get work related discount i am ok15:09
BlafaselCptnodegard: Okay, so not relevant for me. I don't own a TV nor am I interested in movies etc.15:09
VeggenI do have an n800 in addition.15:10
Veggendon't expect to get rid of it, but time will tell which one will get used :)15:11
GeneralAntillesTV shows, movies, music, audio books, podcasts, ebooks, games, etc.15:11
johnx...a debian chroot15:11
GeneralAntillesFilling up two SD cards is an easy task.15:11
lcuk_3audio books take too long, but at least you can read them whilst driving15:12
Cptnodegardnah not music15:12
* lcuk_3 once tried using isolo whilst driving. never again i kept losing my page15:12
Cptnodegardn800 sounds like CRAP with headphones15:12
johnxI tried to listen to an audio book once and the guy reading it drove me crazy in like 10 minutes15:12
GeneralAntillesBull, Cptnodegard.15:12
Cptnodegardbut the internal speakers pwns15:12
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Cptnodegardi compared it directly to my mp3 player, until you do the same you dont know how bad it sounds15:13
GeneralAntillesaudio books are great on long car trips.15:13
lcuk_3the 810 headphones are almost silent unless i press the little button on it15:13
GeneralAntillesI still say bull15:13
lcuk_3is it something on all of them or am i the only one15:13
johnxCptnodegard, mine sounds fine through headphones but I am not what one would describe as an audiophile...15:13
GeneralAntillesI've compared it directly on my receiver, on an iPod and on the N800.15:13
GeneralAntillesGood set up Shures.15:13
Cptnodegardlol ipod15:13
Cptnodegardexplains it15:13
BlafaselOkay, all the media stuff is irrelevant to me, I want it to play with linux development and to access the net everywhere.15:13
GeneralAntillesIt wasn't mine.15:14
lcuk_3lol @ disowning ipod15:14
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Cptnodegardi have an a/b switch so i connect both players playing same song simultaneousely to the same headphones and switch to and fro, only way to really compare sound15:14
johnxa debian chroot still accounts for most of my used space on a 2GB SD card15:14
GeneralAntilleslcuk_3, not disowning15:15
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GeneralAntillesjust a statement of truth. :)15:15
GeneralAntillesObviously anybody who buys or uses an iPod is an idiot.15:15
lcuk_3i know - the missus has a mini and whilst it sure looks good i wouldnt have one myself15:15
* lcuk_3 tells his missus15:15
GeneralAntillesAt least according to Mr. Cptnodegard.15:16
GeneralAntillesI just don't have any need for a device like that.15:16
GeneralAntillesI can't stand wearing headphones in public places15:16
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Cptnodegardmy ecperience is that fanboys are people who havent directly compared stuff15:16
GeneralAntillesand otherwise I'm either in my car with CDs or at home with my rig.15:16
lcuk_3you just use your n800 on your shoulder like a boombox15:16
Cptnodegardthats why i hate ipod, because i have :p15:16
Cptnodegardanyways i love the internal speakers on the n800 so much i use those instead,a mp3 player isnt much to have on the side.15:17
lcuk_3in car ipod connect = your entire library,    home speakers = your library, mobile walking headphones = your library.   ipod owns for the general user15:17
Cptnodegardn800 speakers arent tinny like ex the psp15:17
GeneralAntillesStill no iPods that'll fit my library.15:17
lcuk_3so have you got it all on your n800?15:18
GeneralAntilles220GB right now15:18
lcuk_3well you *could* delete the britney stuff :P15:18
GeneralAntilles'course not, lcuk_3.15:18
Cptnodegardn800 can theoretically take 9615:18
Cptnodegard2x 32 sdhc and a 32 gb usb stick15:19
Cptnodegardso only 124 to go :p15:19
GeneralAntillesJust use an external HD if you're gonna put as tick on it. . . .15:19
lcuk_3cpt - cant you get a battery powered hub and operate multiple usb sticks?15:19
johnxbetter, yet, you can chain hubs15:19
lcuk_3sod it - just take your desktop and car battery with you15:19
Cptnodegardlcuk_3 - technically you can :D15:20
Cptnodegardand BT15:20
lcuk_3and a long network cable15:20
johnxThis is what makes me want a personal server15:20
Cptnodegardi have a working USB battery device, also works with the ca100 for charging n80015:20
GeneralAntillesI've got mediaserv set up on a server at my parent's house.15:20
GeneralAntillesMassive upstream15:20
GeneralAntillesEnough to stream full-quality movies.15:20
johnxbig drive, hostap (aka wifi ap), 3G, maybe bluetooth, and a big, big battery15:21
lcuk_3gen - speaking of usb - my keyboard  foobared last night and wouldnt operate - i mashed the keyss and 810 rebooted (total crash) and then it worked again15:21
pupnik_how much storage space does youtube have?15:21
GeneralAntillesA lot?15:22
lcuk_3plenty but the bitrate is awful15:22
johnxand I keep having problems using youtube when I'm not connected to the internet :P15:22
lcuk_3how much storage does piratebay have?15:22
GeneralAntillesEvidently they store the videos on the servers in the same format they were uploaded in, so it'll get a lot better once they move to "HD".15:22
GeneralAntillesVery little, lcuk_3.15:22
Veggenlcuk: about nil.15:22
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lcuk_3ok, how much remotely linked storage does piratebay provide access to?15:23
GeneralAntillesNone, really.15:23
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johnxI think there is a middle ground between having a certain amount of "local cache" and a certain amount of stuff internet accesible15:24
johnxit's all about latency15:24
GeneralAntillesThe moderation approach, johnx. Very smooth. :P15:24
lcuk_3ffs @ pedants :P how much space would you need if you obtained and processed the torrents used by the piratebay servers15:24
* lcuk_3 feels like hes talkin to the RIAA15:25
GeneralAntillesthepiratebay? Well, since you can't actually get to most of the stuff they have, not much. :P15:25
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johnxalso I like to have random access or at worst sequential access15:25
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johnxbittorrent is good for isos of linux distros15:26
jottjohnx: not for mounting them though :P15:26
lcuk_3BT is great for well seeded files.  the best seeded files are also the most legit ones15:26
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GeneralAntilleslcuk_3, or the latest crappy cam of this weeks big blockbuster.15:27
johnxjott, if you're interested in mounting a .torrent15:27
lcuk_3GeneralAntilles, nahhhh things like that are always overloaded with leechers who drop things immediately after15:28
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lcuk_3its nice to see the difference when downloading (as johnx said) a linux iso or other legit file to some popular cam15:29
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jottjohnx: heh nice... does this actually work? ;)15:29
johnxjott, no idea. :D15:30
Cptnodegardhad to take a better pic for my own sake
johnxmakes me want to go find a nice small usb keyboard and the right cables to try this15:30
lcuk_3johnx - i wonder what the ladies think when you tell them yours is smaller than everyone elses15:31
GeneralAntillesNow it's underexposed.15:31
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johnxlcuk_3, I'll tell them it's "reverse compensation"15:31
GeneralAntillesThat's smeckxier anyway. :P15:32
lcuk_3johnx - simplest cables is a standard female-female dongle.  use your nokia supplied cable and the shell command15:32
johnxI haven't seen the female-female dongle at a store actually15:32
CptnodegardGeneralAntilles, bt kb model...?15:32
johnxand I don't have the Nokia cable because I got a compusa open box deal waaay back in March15:33
Veggenactually, any decent gadget-store with cables etc. should have them.15:33
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Cptnodegardvery nice15:33
VeggenI had the parts needed to access my dSLR via USB already :)15:33
Cptnodegardfound some on ebay but expensive shipping15:33
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johnxI have a mini-a cable from my zaurus but could Nokia bother to use a mini-a? nooooo...that would be too easy15:34
lcuk_3decent phone shopp stocking nokia stuff should have them15:34
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lcuk_3nokia cable ca-10115:34
johnxbut that's just a mini-b to A, right?15:35
lcuk_3yer believe so - do you want an automatic host mode cable?15:36
johnxI was going for something smallish, hopefully pocketable15:36
lcuk_3(and do automatic bodged cables work with firmware upgrade)15:36
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johnxmaybe one of those mini-b to A that have a built-in reel and a female-to-female15:37
lcuk_3yer its a bit of a monster long connection15:37
johnxor someone had one that was all one piece I thought15:37
* lcuk_3 could skip with his15:37
johnxor whack people :D15:37
lcuk_3anyway, back to the grind15:38
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Veggenhmm. the internal flash - is it damned  slow? tried to select the N810 demo movie, and it seems to take forever to start...15:48
Veggen(if not, something's broken?)15:48
johnxit's slow...but it shouldn't be slow enough to be noticeable when playing a movie15:48
johnxdo you have high CPU or write-to-disk going on in the background?15:49
Veggennope, nothing.15:49
Veggenit's fresh from box, nothing started, etc.15:49
johnxthat's unfortunate15:50
Veggendoesn't seem to start, video.15:51
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johnx'night all15:54
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Cptnodegardis there some patch to make canole or media player read album art?16:05
Cptnodegardit annoys me as all my music is tagged16:06
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Veggennope, videos doesn't start. is the internal video player broken?16:10
Cptnodegardon the n810?16:10
Cptnodegardtry mplayer16:11
Cptnodegardinternal one doesnt play shit16:11
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Veggenwell. Internal one *should* play the included demo videos? ;)16:11
czrit should indeed16:11
Cptnodegardtrue :/16:11
Cptnodegardinstall that process info app aned see if something is stealing power16:12
Veggenmm, ok. haven't rebooted since configuring.16:12
Cptnodegardthat might be it16:12
Cptnodegarddoes the media player even start?16:12
Veggenmedia player starts, video doesn't.16:13
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* alterego wonders when the sbox2 SDK will have X server support.16:13
czralterego, meaning?16:13
czrand hi :-)16:13
alteregoczr, being able to run hildon desktop.16:14
alteregoAnd hello to you too. :P16:14
BlafaselYou know the famous line: Linux, where rebooting is for new hardware only.16:14
BlafaselWell - your device _is_ new, right? ;)16:14
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Cptnodegard63 bucks shiopped for igo16:23
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Veggenhmm. btw, reboot worked.16:46
Veggennot sure if logging off/on (aka the off-button) would have worked, I decided to do it hard by removing battery ;)16:48
timelyhow do i install flash9 on 10.3.9? :(16:50
|tbb|:...(  i lost my stylus16:51
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timelyoh nice, finder crashed16:51
bmidgley|tbb| the box has two when you buy it, eh?16:51
czrVeggen, weird, but good that it fixed it.16:52
timelyoops, wrong window16:52
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Veggenczr: It does show that I come from a Linux world, not thinking of that as first solution ;)16:54
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czrVeggen, indeed :-)16:55
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MagicFabWhat security features (encryption of data, or just password protecion of the devices) are there in the n8x0 ? I can't find any reference to that.17:00
|tbb|bmidgley: i know but if that is lost then? maybe buying a n900 then ;)17:01
Veggenthere is possibility of a security code? cell phone style.17:01
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ZetxI'm a bit confused on bluetooth headsets. I hear that when using mplayer, the sound is kinda choppy, but is this true for VOIP and can I use the headset's mic to talk (for VOIP)?17:08
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jsmithZetx: I don't know anything about mplayer, but I've used my little Jabra BT-150 for VoIP, and it worked just fine17:12
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||cwZetx: I think the choppiness depends on the codec and bitrate17:13
kulveI tried using my jabra but I couldn't here anything. It works ok with the media player17:13
kulve"ok" as in, I can hear the choppy playback17:14
ZetxAlright. I suppose it's a work in progress, then >_>17:14
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kulvejsmith: did you set up something for the VOIP or did it just work?17:15
ZetxI've been considering the EEE and the n800, and will probably end up getting the n80017:15
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jsmithkulve: It just worked.17:16
jsmithkulve: This was on my shiny new n810... your mileage may vary17:16
kulveZetx: can you upgrade the eee somehow? Or add apps there? Or login with ssh as root?17:16
kulvejsmith: n810 here too17:16
kulveI need to test it again..17:16
pupnik_any OS2008 people here got a working synergy yet?17:17
||cwkulve: yes, the Eee is fully hackable, there's even an unofficial Ubuntu based distro for it17:18
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kulve||cw: that's good to here. I think I saw some official(?) installation and it was pretty simple17:18
kulves,here,hear, again17:18
Zetxkulve: personally wouldn't want to upgrade the EEE's internal hardware myself since I have no soldering experience ^^;17:18
kulveZetx: I was talking about the sw :)17:18
||cwZetx: if you get an Eee, go for the 4G, it has a mini-PCIe socket inside that the 2G doesn't have17:18
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||cwthere's even an 8GB SSD card for it17:19
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||cwthe 8G uses the mini-PCIe for the storage, with no on-board flash17:20
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Veggenmm, I think I'll have to get an Eee too ;) (I'm a gadget-maniac, especially if it runs free OSes)17:23
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Veggenbut, I think I'll wait for the reputed norwegian launch.17:24
kulveI think it's too small for a laptop and too big to be carried around. N810 is better :)17:24
kulvedepends highly on the needs, ofc17:24
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Veggenwell. It's small enough that it's not significantly extra space/weight in a backpack you already drag around?17:25
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Veggenof course, tablets are better that way. But it'll depend on the features you need.17:26
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Zetxsome of my cons for the EEE was that the keyboard may be too small for me, so I could get another keyboard, but that'd defeat the whole small/portable thing... and the n800 would be smaller, even if I needed a BT keyboard17:27
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doc|homeI'd buy a 10inch EEE17:30
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nuragicohi, is there sqlite3 for maemo 200817:34
michele_anybody tried to build MokoFingerScroll on Maemo?17:35
nuragicowhere can i found the sqlite3 repository17:35
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michele_that would be nice and would hopefully put an end to thousands of ad-hoc implementations...17:36
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||cwZetx: I see the Eee fitting a different market segment that then nokias.  if the nokias were x86 and had supported USB host controlers and more RAM, then maybe....17:38
VeggenI can lug the n800 to a pub in my pocket. I would probably not do that with an Eee, but I can see it living in my backpack.17:39
melmothnuragico: there is sqlite3 for maemo 2008.17:39
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melmothnuragico: i do not know where the repo is, but you can apt-get source it.17:40
DistEven in
Dist(not only in "repostory" or stage)17:40
pskrneed help! in usb networking. How to make sure my kernel has usbnet support?17:41
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ccookeVeggen: personally, I've got a 17" laptop I use for "heavy" work (and a few games). Anything smaller has to compete - either it needs to be small enough (the n810) to be used anywhere or comfortable enough (*not* the Eee) to replace the 17" monster.17:41
ccookethere's no way I'd want to carry *three* computers around all the time :-)17:41
Veggenccooke: I'm a bicycle man. Though laziness and winter has made me put away the bike for a while now.17:42
Veggenccooke: weight on what I drag to work *is* an issue on bicycle :) I guess I could drag an Eee back and forth every day.17:42
ccookeVeggen: ah ha.17:43
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Veggen*sigh* - continuity is needed to withstand winter for bicycling, this year I broke in late september or so. Last year, not even well sub-zero, snow and ice could stop me.17:44
glasslacking options is what you need17:44
glassit's easy to use the bike if it's the only choice17:44
Veggenglass: true.17:45
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pskrHelp! anybody? How to make sure my kernel has usbnet support?17:45
michele_glass: wish I could17:46
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michele_glass: I have a 30 minutes commute by car...17:46
pskrI am trying to setup my N800 so I can debug it.17:46
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nuragicoi add but then i don't found sqlite317:48
zoranadd more repos17:49
pskrI did lsmod | grep usbnet and did not get any results. How do I enable usbnet support?17:49
melmothcomes frome here:17:50
melmothdeb chinook free non-free17:50
melmothdeb-src chinook free17:50
zoranlsmod is for loaded kernel modules17:50
zoranmaybe your option is compiled into the kernel itself17:50
michele_uh... #openmoko has more users than #maemo... how unexpected17:50
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melmothlibrary package name is libsqlite3-017:51
zoranpskr, what exactly do you want to do?17:51
melmothi do not have the "sqlite" binary tool on scratchboxn but it works with the debian based sqlite tool as long as it is v3, so, who cares ?17:51
Lynouremichele_: not really: I think everyone who uses openmoko know about openmoko, but most N800 users just use it, unaware of what maemo is17:51
pskrzoran: I want to debug applications on N80017:51
pskrzoran:using gdb from linux PC.17:52
zoranhuh, debugger could be tricky and memory consuming17:52
zoranah, on pc17:52
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pskrzoran: To do that, I need to setup usb networking. isn't it?17:53
michele_Lynoure: good point17:53
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zoranpskr, or wifi17:54
sishkebabhi folks, is there any known reason why i cannot mount my external card in linux?17:54
zoranpskr, you have dump file?17:54
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Zichi o/17:55
alteregoHmm, maemo repo is down :/17:55
pskrzoran: Aah..I don't know. How to check it? My app crashed with segmentation fault.17:56
zoranit is arm, your debugger probably i38617:57
zoranno match, I think17:57
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jottis there actually a gconf setting (or something else) to disable the "completion bar" on the n810 (that pops up when you start typing)17:57
pskrIn scratchbox, I can select the ARM target and debug, I suppose.17:57
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zoranwhy not17:58
zoranI don't have scratchbox17:58
zoranyou could always try17:58
zoranno harm17:58
pskrzoran: do you know where in the device the core dump files are dumped?17:58
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zoranpskr, I thonk in working directory17:59
zorancopy it to pc first, I think17:59
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jottah got it disabled :)18:02
Spakmananyone know where I can get some free icons for use in my Maemo app? I'd like a trash can and a refresh icon and would like to use "standard-ish" ones if possible.18:03
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pskrzoran: I could not find the dump. Any ideas?18:04
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dpb_What's a good price to ask for a used Nokia 770?18:06
doc|homewant to sell?18:06
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Nermalum.. $80 - $100 ?18:07
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Nermalor is that too much18:07
NermalI don't do $ well18:07
dragornYou can get them new for around $120-$130, so scale accordingly18:07
nelsonmichele_: #openmoko has more promise than #maemo, and less meat.18:08
pskrzoran: I can't find it. Anyway thanks for the idea. So, you think I need to recompile the kernel to enable usbnet. Any pointers on how to do that?18:08
zoranpskr, probably not18:08
zoranpeople use host usb18:09
zoranwhat find for "core*" shoes?18:09
nelsonI hate to look a gift n810 discount in the mouth, but this one is getting a little long in the tooth.18:10
pskrnothing. I searched in my home dir and /media (thinking it might dump in mmc1/2). Probably I need to enable something to generate core dump18:11
zoranmaybe no seg fault18:11
michele_nelson: that's why I didn't expect that. ITs are actual, released "consumer" devices. OM phones aren't anywhere near that yet18:11
zoranor you set coredumpsize to 018:11
dhdulimit -c unlimited?18:12
Zetxhmm, but consumers don't really use irc ;)18:12
michele_yes, yes, but consumer means more exposure, which means more users, which means (usually) more people willing to hack stuff18:13
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Zetxah, you have a point ^^18:13
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michele_this is one of the reasons I bough the 810: because I knew there'd be people hacking on it18:13
nelsonmichele_: I think people are excited about being able to run their own code on their phone.18:13
* jsmith is certainly excited18:13
pskrzoran: When I run my application from command line, it clearly says "Segmentation fault". How to change coredumpsize?18:13
jsmithpskr: Got to the commandline, and type "ulimit -c unlimited", then run your program18:14
nelsonmichele_: unfortunately, OpenEmbedded is hard to turn into a stable system.18:14
* Zetx isn't aware of any openmoko phones, but has certainly not looked. at all.18:14
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zoranpskr, as I know core dump is set on on linux and bsd18:15
nelsonThe folks are proving that OE *can* be tamed, but it's not a trivial task.18:15
zoranmaybe the size of dump is too high and the system stops the writting18:15
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zorandid you include any line with warning messages18:16
michele_nelson: poky is by o-hand right? so I think they've been hired to do that18:16
floriannelson: How does that relate to the status of the OM device?18:16
zoranor set exit to something aside 018:16
pskrjsmith:thanks. That did not work either. No core dumps are generated. I searched in my home dir, /media18:16
pskrzoran: no.18:17
nelsonflorian: I've been importing OM .bb files into PokyLinux, and .... they've proven to be buggy.18:17
zoranhm, c?18:17
nelsonflorian: plus you've got the chaos of openmoko binary releases.18:17
floriannelson: well.. but that's not the major problem of OM. OE would be a bad excuse.18:18
nelsonflorian: oh, no, OE *is* the most visible problem of OM.  It doesn't have to be that way, but it is.18:19
floriannelson: OE was used for a stable consumer device the first time in 2004.18:19
floriannelson: that's a bad excuse, just install an image and look at the sources.18:19
nelsonflorian: it's possible to use OE to produce the same build twice in a row, but the most visible OE project doesn't do that.18:19
pskrzoran: I did not get ur question. sorry18:20
floriannelson: that's true... but this does not make it the major problem - sorry.18:20
nelson(which is michele_ 's point -- that OM has a lot of interest -- more than maemo)18:20
zoranpskr, C language?18:20
nelsonflorian: from the point of someone trying to build software to run on OM, OE is its major flaw.18:21
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floriannelson: hum well, grab the toolchain and build your software.18:22
nelsonflorian: I've done that.  OM doesn't build twice the same way .... and often it doesn't build at all.18:23
czrbetter yet, set terminal to raw mode and cat > new-killer-app !18:23
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nelsonczr: hmph.  I actually *have* keyed code into a machine via the front panel.18:24
czrnelson, so? :-)18:24
czrI used to write 8085 with hex-keypad18:24
czrit was actually fun. CD to rule them all!18:25
czrhmm. or was it C3.. bleh.18:25
nelsonczr: binary toggle switches >> hex-keypad18:25
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pskrzoran: Yes. C++ & C18:25
czrnelson, ok ok, you win :-)18:26
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nelsonC3 is ret18:26
czryeah. that's what I meant at least. been ages since I've done any 85 though18:26
LoCusFhow can I perform a version lock in n8x0?18:26
zoranpskr ,what if you compile it on i386; could you debug it first on pc?18:26
LoCusFie. if I wanna keep a specific version of a package18:26
nelsonczr: ahhhhh, those were the old days, when programmers had hair.18:27
nelsonczr: actually, the first computers were women.18:27
nelsonczr: I have a dictionary which defines "computer" as "a person who computes".18:27
czrapplying endless hotfixes and it still wouldn't work properly18:27
czrah, those computers :-)18:28
czryeah.. most of them were women18:28
czrthe finnish computer is 'tietokone' where tieto = knowledge, kone = machine.18:28
czrI think it's pretty ironic.18:28
czrtieto also might be information, but that's besides the point.18:28
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michele_I read people on ITT enabling "virtual memory" ie. swap is going to improve performance, but wouldn't that kill the flash card?18:33
zoranmichelle_, it could not last forever anyway18:33
|tbb|how can i read data from a file which is allready in use, is that possible?18:33
michele_zoran: yes, but it'd get much more writes that way18:34
zoranmichelle_, swap partition is even better18:34
czr|tbb|, define 'in use'18:34
nelsonmichele_: it depends on how often you write, and exactly what you write.18:34
zoranmichelle_, it is what you want18:34
|tbb|like myappliction -logdata >> mylogfile.log18:34
czr|tbb|, sure you can read it18:34
michele_nelson: I don't get to decide what gets written on the swap area18:34
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nelsonmichele_: if you swap a long-running process off to memory, and it doesn't change its "in-memory" data much or at all, then flash swapping can work fine.18:35
czr|tbb|, tail -f mylogfile.log for example18:35
nelsonmichele_: it seriously depends on how the application uses memory.18:35
zoransmaller memory footprint, less writting18:35
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pskrzoran:it runs fine on pc.thats why i want to debug on n80018:35
zoranless changes, less writting18:35
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michele_nelson: yes, I can see this. but it's not predictable18:36
|tbb|czr, cat mylogfile wont work, if the application writes data on the fly?18:36
czr|tbb|, it works as well18:36
michele_so, do all of you have swap on?18:36
zoranpskr, maybe some arm specifics?18:36
pskri guess so18:36
nelsonmichele_: I'm not swapping, no.18:36
zorancommand line, or graphical?18:37
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|tbb|btw, could it be a problem if i set a & after the command?18:37
zorangoes in the background18:37
czr|tbb|, no? add it after the redirection: >> foobar &18:37
|tbb|than i got a problem which i dont know18:37
czrif you close the terminal where you start the program though, it will be killed18:37
alteregoOr networking isn't working in my scratchbox environment ;)18:38
* mgedmin has swap18:38
mgedminif the card dies, I figure I can get another one18:38
zoranro buy new device18:39
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mgedminon the plus side, opening two browser windows doesn't kill the browser18:39
|tbb|how can i run the application after closing terminal?18:39
mgedminyeah, every new nokia device uses a different card standard :/18:39
czr|tbb|, make it daemonize18:39
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czr|tbb|, man daemon18:40
zoranmgedmin, it is the very core of real fun18:40
czr|tbb|, then you don't need to start it with &, but you can't really use >> either.18:40
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zoranto be suprised all the time18:40
czr|tbb|, so your program needs to write the logfile directly. not via stdout18:40
czror rather, it can use STDOUT, but the stream must be connected to a file, not the terminal18:40
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zoranfolks, some1 uses ssmtp or msmtp on any device, including pc?18:41
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alteregoAnyone know where that link is on setting up networking properly in scratchbox?18:59
JaffaShould just need /etc/resolv.conf futzing within sb19:03
nuragicomelmoth: thanks,  bye bye19:03
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alteregoJaffa, yeah. But what do I set it to :/19:07
alteregoMy setup isn't exactly standard ..19:07
czralterego, use the same DNS server as your main host19:08
czror run dnsmasq on the real host, and use
czrthat's what I do19:08
czrthat way sb works wherever I am (dhcp)19:08
alteregoI'm using dnsmasq ..19:08
czrso use then19:08
alterego127.0.0.1 didn't work :/19:08
czrwell, check /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf as well as the per-target ones19:09
czryeah, it's "interesting"19:10
czrsb tools use the resolv.conf under sbox, the per target tools use the target ones.19:10
czrlogical, yes? :-)19:10
alteregoHmm, wget doesn't pick up google.19:10
czrdid you fix both?19:11
czrif so, also check nsswitch.conf in all those locations19:11
czrhosts: files dns  (no other entries allowed in any of those)19:11
alteregoNeeded to be my router.19:13
czrhmm. weird.19:14
alteregoWell, it's not exactly a generic setup.19:15
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* czr shrugs19:16
alteregoMy SDK is installed in a hardware virtualized environment using the KVM modules. It's connected to the hardware host node via an ethernet bridge to a dummy network adapter and the host NAT's connections through an ethernet to wireless bridge. Which then talks to by Wireless router, which is connected to a ADSL router.19:17
alteregoBut it all works now :)19:17
michele_man that's crazy :)19:17
alteregoSo I'm happy.19:17
czrah. the NAT doesn't nat to your localhost?19:17
czranyhow, interesting setup.19:18
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alteregoI tried getting the virtual environments to appear on the real ethernet network. But bridging eth0 failed because of my ethernet to wireless bridge.19:18
melmothalterego: same here (except xen)..All works, except....ftp via gnome-vfs :)19:18
alteregoThough, I think I know what went wrong there. The MAC address of the virtualized host isn't in the allowed MAC addresses of my wireless router ;)19:19
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alteregoSo I'll probably try and get that working at some point.19:19
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alteregomelmoth, I chose KVM because I didn't have to play around with the kernel.19:25
alteregoJust a simple `modprobe kvm_intel` and I'm away ^_^19:25
alteregoThough I hear Xen is a little bit faster.19:27
_berto_I don't know Xen, but kvm is very fast19:28
melmothi never try kvm.19:28
czrI just used vmware because I'm lazy19:28
melmothi juste used xen because i m lazy :)19:28
_berto_I did some tests some months ago ->
_berto_now kvm supports smp as well, but I haven't tested it much19:28
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alterego_berto_, so I should be able to use my dual core across into the hvm's too?19:30
alteregoThat's awesome.19:30
_berto_yes, with recent versions19:30
_berto_at least it doesn't crash anymore19:30
alteregoI'll definitely look into that.19:30
_berto_but I haven't tested its speed19:30
alteregoWould be great for compilations me thinks ;)19:30
_berto_I guess that it just works19:30
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czr_berto_, interesting page19:31
alteregoI love this KVM stuff though, I've been deploying KVM onto a few blade servers for a client.19:31
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* czr really should look into it19:32
czris there a good arch doc on kvm anywhere?19:32
_berto_czr: it's not a great test, I just compiled the kernel, but it gives an idea of its performance19:32
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czr_berto_, yeah, I noticed. none-the-less19:32
alteregoIs KQEMU similar to KVM?19:33
alteregoOr is it something different?19:33
_berto_it's slower19:33
_berto_you need support from your cpu to use KVM19:33
_berto_but not for kqemu19:33
alteregoAh, cool.19:33
alteregoThat's really impressive.19:33
_berto_if you have a core 2 you probably can use KVM19:33
czrhow are block/network things exported to a kvm vm?19:33
czrI mean, what's the technology19:33
alterego_berto_, I know all about the hyperviser requirement ;)19:34
_berto_just like qemu19:34
alteregoYeah, KVM is essentially identical to using qemu, it's just it's a lot quicker.19:34
czrah. so the hw is emulated on vm-side?19:34
alteregoSo, networking and devices are all handled in the same way as qemu guests normally do it.19:34
czrwhich drivers do you use on vm side?19:34
alteregoOh wait, yes. ;)19:35
czrso I guess xen would be quicker for I/O stuff19:35
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alteregoProbably, I'm not familiar with Xen at all. I may play with it at some point. But I'm really happy with how kvm/qemu does things for now.19:37
_berto_if you don't want emulation at all19:37
_berto_you could use something like linux-vserver19:37
czrwell, I'd like the I/O model of Xen coupled with VT19:37
_berto_it runs the same kernel19:37
czrsure. but that's not the issue19:37
alteregoThen you can't use other OS' ..19:37
czrI have a non-linux custom OS as the VM19:37
czror rather, "OS"19:37
czrthe xen i/o model on the VM side is very nice. very nice indeed.19:38
alteregoWhich makes using kvm/xen pointless :P19:38
czrno need for old hw emulation etc.19:38
alteregoI'll have to look at it.19:38
alteregoI was tempted to work for Xen Source ..19:38
czryou were?19:38
czroh, why not? :-)19:38
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alteregoI decided I liked being a contractor too much ;)19:39
czrheh, I know that feeling.. :-)19:39
czrreplied to one recruitment email just today..19:39
alteregoThe diversity of work keeps me a lot happier.19:39
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alteregoczr, do you still have that maemo sdk kernel module howto handy?19:41
czralterego, sure, although it's for bora19:42
czrI haven't updated it for chinook19:42
alteregoShould be pretty similar though I'd imagine.19:42
* czr nods19:42
alteregoMay I? :)19:42
czrI could probably update it19:42
czror you can use it and report back :-)19:42
czrand I'll update it19:42
alteregoWell, I'll let you know if I crash and burn ;)19:42
czrsure.. it's public19:42
alteregoGot a link?19:42
czrgoogle for 'koltsoff N800 kernel module'19:42
czrshould find it19:42
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alteregoYeah, got it :P19:43
alteregoI'm gonna do an experiment building the driver for a USB wireless dongle.19:43
czrdownload the driver as well, it should work on the n810 kernel19:44
czralthough, if the driver doesn't build, I'd be interested in hearing that as well.19:44
czrit's just a stupid hello world module anyway19:44
truentalterego, with host mode? ;)19:44
alteregohost mode?19:45
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alteregoI want promisc :P19:45
alteregoThough, host mode would be useful for my laptop.19:46
truenti think the n800 with stock drivers doesnt provide power for usb devices19:46
alteregoHaving both connected to the internet through the same phone.19:46
alteregoIt does.19:46
alteregoOS2008 allows for USB OTF.19:46
alterego~OTG host mode.19:46
truentbut people still have to hack in a power supply no?19:47
alteregoBut the power certainly wont be enough. I'll have to use my powered hub.19:47
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truentsome guy already did that.. dont think he wrote a driver, but he got a usb dongle to work..19:47
alteregoNot for everything, some USB keyboards work without extra power, as do all of the card readers I've tested.19:47
alteregoAnd USB memory sticks.19:48
alteregoEven my digital camera :)19:48
truentfor WEP cracking.. usb wifi to inject packets, the built in wifi to record19:48
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alteregoWell, I'm not doing anything that invasive.19:48
alteregoThis is for network debugging.19:48
truentscrew debugging, promiscuous mode is good period.19:49
truentif somethings avail i want inet heh19:49
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alteregoWell, if it's legal in your country go for it :P19:51
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truenttheres his instructions, may help for reference19:52
alteregoThanks :)19:53
czrhmm. I may need to buy a new computer for virtualization stuff.. argh.19:53
alteregoYes, you need "VT extensions".19:53
czrwell, I already have on with VT19:53
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czrVT-x to be precise19:53
alteregoThe newest P4's have it as well as a lot of C2D chips.19:53
czrbut I'd rather not touch it too much19:54
alteregoAll AMD X2's and above have it.19:54
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czroh, I know.19:54
czrthat's not the issue. I'm just too lazy to risk anything going fubar on the existing VT machine19:54
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alteregoWhat OS are you running?19:55
czrlinux as host, linuxen, custom, windowsen as guests19:56
alteregoYeah, I meant what Linux as host :P19:56
czrubuntu atm.19:56
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alteregoUbuntu + KVM is super easy. Just `sudo apt-get install kvm` then `sudo modprobe kvm_intel` or kvm_amd.19:56
alteregoAnd you're off.19:56
czrsince which release?19:57
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alteregoWell, I'm using 7.1019:57
czrbut I'm thinking of xen as well19:57
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czrbleh, I could do it really. just too lazy :-)19:57
alteregoYes, Xen requires a kernel build.19:57
* czr puts it on the todo list19:57
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czryes I know, I've used it before19:57
alteregoLazy bugger.19:57
* czr hides in shame19:57
alteregoWell, firstly. There's no 'rx-34.kernel-headers' package.19:58
czrhow suprising.19:58
alteregoIt appears that 'linux-kernel-headers' are installed.19:58
czris there anything with headers?19:58
czrhmm. maybe I should startup the VM as well, give me a sec19:58
_berto_qemu/kvm is the easiest one to set up19:58
_berto_even the network is trivial19:58
alterego_berto_, indeed. :) I'm well chuffed.19:58
czrvmware is way easier imho :-)19:58
alteregoOnly because it's already running :P19:59
alteregokvm is easier than VMWare IMO :P19:59
_berto_last time I checked you needed a kernel module to have network in vmware19:59
czrer? nah, it has a simple GUI19:59
_berto_but that was many years ago19:59
czr_berto_, no you don't19:59
alteregokvm -m 512 hd_image.img19:59
alteregoThat's a simple GUI :P19:59
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czramd pcnet32 or e1000 are emulated. you _can_ build a vmnet driver if you wish (bypasses the emulation)19:59
alteregoWe need that for KVM ..20:00
czrwell, I meant for building machines. I don't really use the GUI for anything else20:00
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alteregoThat would be cool.20:00
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alteregoTo build a machine.20:00
alteregoqemu-img create -f qcow2 hd_image.img 40G20:00
_berto_I mean, to have network between the host and the virtual machine20:00
_berto_you used to need a special interface20:00
czryar.. where is my chinook installation..20:01
alteregoHmm ..20:02
alteregoI suck at this.20:02
alteregoWhere should I point KLIB and LLIB_BUILD?20:02
czrhaha. it's an old version of the VM. one before installing the SDK and SBOX20:02
czralterego, what are you building?20:02
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czrdid you try building the helloworld one first?20:03
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alteregoNope, trying now.20:05
czryeah, I'll extract the proper VM, a sec20:05
czrthe wireless driver most probably has some broken Makefile20:06
alteregoNo kernel source :/20:06
czrso it needs more env vars or smt20:06
czrI'll have a smoke and boot the VM up meanwhile, brb20:06
* alterego wheeps.20:07
JaffaSteve Jobs just announced MacBook Air20:09
alteregoWhat's that?20:09
JaffaHasn't said yet20:10
* Jaffa is watching
Jaffa"World's thinnest notebook" - so presumably quite wide20:10
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dhdugh, macbook air, now I have to figure out where to get $1500 :)20:12
alteregoWhy? Mac's are just for fashion victims ..20:12
czralterego, you remember what the hw name is for n810?20:12
alteregoThey just look so boring20:12
alteregoczr, 4420:13
czrbleh. I only find rx-34-kernel20:13
dhdahh yeah I just remembered how much Mac OS X irritated me20:13
alteregoIt's like iPod touches, and iPhones. They're not practical and they look boring.20:13
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alteregoNo imagination, just completely black plastic ..20:13
alteregoWith an apple logo O_O20:13
alteregoczr, well. Presumably I can use that ;)20:14
alteregoAs they should be compatible.20:14
dhdthe iPhone's GUI is something quite amazing I think20:14
* czr nods20:14
alteregoBut checking out the source for that kernel image doesn't give me a usable build.20:15
czrprobably should charge my n81020:15
czrwhere did you find the source?20:15
czrapt-get source?20:15
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alteregodhd, it's just flashy pictures. Nothing clever about it at all.20:15
alteregoThe input method is a POS.20:15
alteregoczr, yeah,20:15
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dhdalterego: there's nothing *new* about it but it's the first commercial device to implement a lot of things that have been published in HCI conferences over the last 10 years20:17
alteregounmet build dependency kernel-source-rx-3420:17
dhdgranted, I still think that the N800 is more useful :)20:17
alteregoAnd prettier.20:17
dhdnot least because it is open20:17
alteregoThe N810 is the most attractive piece of electronics I've seen :)20:17
* dhd nods20:18
alteregoczr, I'm trying this:
czrhmm. rx-34-kernel source package has a README that tells that it should contain headers. but it doesn't20:19
czrlet me see20:19
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czrheh. except that kernel-source-rx-34 doesn't exist20:20
czrunless it's in the non-free repo20:20
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czralterego, the howto tells to use kernel-source-rx-34 source package, but it doesn't exist..20:21
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alteregoczr, crap :/20:22
* alterego wheeps.20:22
czrindeed. bugzilla time.20:22
czrhmm. I remember seeing about this in the mailing lists though20:22
alteregoI don't :/20:23
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czrwhy doesn't apt-cache see it I wonder20:25
alteregoIt's probably not in the Packages.gz file ..20:26
czrwell, it breaks the howto as well..20:26
alteregoOh wait .. It's a source package isn't it.20:27
alteregoIt's not a deb at all.20:27
czrah. apt-cache wouldn't see it then, right?20:27
alteregoapt-get source kernel-source-rx-34 works fine ^_^20:27
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alteregoWell, we both screwed that up :D20:28
czrthey still don't have a separate package with only the headers20:28
czrwhich is sad.20:28
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alteregoLooks like I might be able to do this after all then :)20:29
alteregoHopefully ..20:29
czrstill downloading. /me sighs20:29
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alteregoYeah, I'm getting 44k/s >:(20:29
LinuxCodehi all20:29
alteregoGonna take 20 minutes.20:29
alteregoLucky it's dinner time I suppose.20:29
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LinuxCodeso its not just me having slow speeds ?20:30
czralterego, I'm getting 216k20:30
czrwhich is max for me20:30
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alteregoMy ISP screws my connection in the evening.20:30
czryour ISP is lonely20:30
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alteregoOtherwise I should be getting ~250 - 260K/s20:30
czrthey should get out more often20:30
LinuxCodeI just had a N81020:30
lcuk_3linux - had? what did you do with it?20:30
* lcuk_3 still has his20:30
* czr has a N0020:31
alteregoYeah, mines still down my pants ..20:31
LinuxCodenot sure if its my N810/wlan or something but cant grab anything from maemo repo20:31
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lcuk_3are you on it now or are you using your normal pc to connect to here20:31
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LinuxCodenormal pc to connect to freenode20:31
LinuxCodecant install pidgin or anything else for that matter20:32
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alteregoczr, how do you fancy compiling these wifi modules for me?20:32
LinuxCodecan surf though20:32
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alteregoYou could do it in the time it takes me to download the kernel source/eat dinner ;)20:32
czralterego, well, I'll test my hello world. anything beyond that is extra20:32
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czrargh. they don't have a .config file20:34
czrah. they do, but it's hidden away20:35
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alteregoYes, read the how to :P20:35
czrwell. I don't want to build the whole kernel20:35
czrI want to try the 'prepare' target which should be enough20:35
czrfor that I need the .config20:36
alteregomake nokia_2420_defconfig should create the .config20:36
czr(i.e., just let me do it my way, ok? :-)20:36
czryeah, but it does other things as well20:36
czrhmm. interesting. prepare actually works.20:36
czrdidn't in bora.20:36
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czrdoesn't help though20:40
czrthe prepare thing doesn't create modpost.20:40
czrsame problem as in bora.20:40
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czrfull build required.. bleh^320:41
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hahlodoes 'mtd -r write os200x.bin linux' work in n800?20:42
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alteregohahlo, I don't think anyone has tried mtdutils.20:42
alteregoI don't see why it wont work.20:42
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alteregoSo it should work. Provided you're dual booting off of an SD card?20:43
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LinuxCodequite a few Brits here ;-D20:43
hahloalterego: ok, yes.20:43
alteregoWho are you calling British!20:43
czrmaybe he meant to say Grits20:43
czror she.20:43
alteregoI'm going through like .. 20 proxies man.20:44
alteregoOh wait .. They're all in England ..20:44
* L0cutus need rdiff-backup on os2008 :)20:44
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LinuxCodeguess I will try an apt-get..the gui thing doesnt give much info back20:45
LinuxCodeif something aint right20:45
LinuxCodekinda sucks they dont give ya a root pass20:45
czrthey do20:45
alteregoThere is no root pass on 200820:45
czrbut you need to enable r&d20:45
LinuxCodeczr, where ?20:45
LinuxCodehow do I do that ?20:45
czrlogin as root :-)20:45
czrvia ssh is the simplest (imho) way20:46
alteregoThe easiest way is to install open ssh server ..20:46
LinuxCodeif I could install ssh lol20:46
Veggen_alterego: isn't there?20:46
alteregoThat prompts for you to set the root password.20:46
LinuxCodemaemo is dead for me20:46
Veggen_alterego: (a root password)20:46
LinuxCodeI did set the root pass20:46
Veggen_that means I don't need to change it, either. After enabling root :)20:46
alteregoVeggen, no, root and user passwords aren't defined in 200820:46
LinuxCodebut still20:46
Veggen_alterego: well. I set a user-password.20:46
Veggen_doesn't mess up anything.20:47
alteregoI set both passwords ..20:47
Veggen_I don't need the root password.20:47
alteregoSo I can actually log into it :P20:47
LinuxCodealterego, got a N810 ?20:47
Veggen_sudo is good enough.20:47
alteregoLinuxCode, indeed.20:47
alteregoSometimes I _need_ root ..20:47
LinuxCodewell i set it now20:47
LinuxCodeusing a hack20:47
LinuxCodealso annoying ping is chmoded20:47
LinuxCodehow stupid20:47
Veggen_alterego: add a line to sudoers.20:47
LinuxCodehow will people debug their network20:47
alteregoVeggen, why? If it's just a one off thing?20:48
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Veggen_LinuxCode: the reason for that is that ping is part of busybox, not?20:48
LinuxCodedont know...20:48
LinuxCodeyou tell me..20:48
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czralterego, hello.ko built. will test on device next20:48
alteregoI could allow user to sudo to ALL, but then that would be a bit of s security hole. As anyone using the device within 10 minutes or whatever would have root access ..20:48
LinuxCodethis is my first experience with the N810...and busybox etc..20:48
alteregoczr, fantastic :)20:48
Veggen_ping need to be suid root to use as a user. and you can't suid root a symbolic link :)20:49
czrI'll add a section on N810/OS2008 to the doc after this20:49
czrit's not all that different, so I'll just point out the largest differences20:49
alteregoVeggen, LinuxCode easy fix is cp busybox ping, then chmod +s ping :)20:49
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alteregoFinally finished downloading the kernel sources :)20:51
LinuxCodealterego, hehe20:51
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czrok, should probably make some tea, smoke and then update the document..20:54
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Veggen_nuts. Did I miss that? why did they change the cable for n810?20:55
Veggen_(the USB cable)20:55
alteregoVeggen, it's smaller.20:55
czrit's sexier20:55
Veggen_hmmf. hope I brought it from work...20:55
czrand otherwise you could have used the normal cable, but it's so sexy that now you can use a separate cable for your n81020:56
Veggen_(I got it at work, the n810)20:56
lcuk_3damn missus!20:56
lcuk_3shes lost my flimpsy but practical cover for my 81020:56
lcuk_3she only had the bloody thing for a day20:56
alteregoI don't use mine.20:57
czronly one day and it's already bloody.. women..20:57
lcuk_3i do cos i cant put it in my pocket without it20:57
alteregoWell, not for it's intended purpose ..20:57
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lcuk_3shes promised to make me a replacement20:58
lcuk_3(since nokia havent got any on their site ...)20:58
lcuk_3now shes threatening to make it furr lined, please someone tell me: how the hell can i prevent this from happening20:59
lcuk_3(but still get a case)20:59
czrlcuk_3, give her flowers tomorrow20:59
czrand say that they're for NOT using fur :-)20:59
lcuk_3me? flowers? for once it aint me thats done something wrong21:00
czrsee, that's the beauty of it. she'll end up so confused, shell forget about the fur.21:00
lcuk_3not likely, shes probably choosing contrasting fabrics as we speak21:00
czroh my :-)21:00
LinuxCodehow does one add a gpg key so apt can use it ?21:00
czrthen you can only fail.21:00
* lcuk_3 is doomed21:01
* LinuxCode will port fedora to this thing21:01
czrDoom 1, Doom 2 or Doom 3?21:01
lcuk_3the whole lot i think21:02
czroh. you ARE doomed then :-)21:02
czrI still think I remember all the levels of doom 1 by heart.21:02
lcuk_3yer, proposal, wedding day, anniversary21:02
LinuxCodeaha! apt-key21:02
czrheh lcuk_321:03
lcuk_3i think this will be the only time i can get away with this.21:03
* lcuk_3 is normally well under the thumb21:03
czrshe's out and won't be reading your irclogs?21:03
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LinuxCodeany of you guys set up the cross-compile sandbox ?21:03
lcuk_3ill show her when she returns21:03
czrLinuxCode, define what you mean by that. the SDK?21:04
LinuxCodethe maemo sandbox build environment21:04
LinuxCodespecified in the tutorial21:04
lcuk_3Scratchbox is the maemo cross compiler.  theres plenty of support around for it21:04
czrmaemo SDK.21:04
czryeah, we've set it up.21:04
LinuxCodestraight forward ?21:04
czrif you follow the instructions. which distro are you using?21:05
czrah, you'll probably run into problems with qemu then21:05
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lcuk_3there is a vmware image all nicely setup for those who don't know or the more linux user friendly version for those who want to diy21:05
czrsearch the maemo-developers mailing list for 'fedora vdso'21:05
czrit's trivial to fix once you know how21:05
LinuxCodethanks for the tip mate21:05
LinuxCodeIm actually seriously pondering to port fedora21:05
LinuxCodewasnt just a joke21:06
czryou should get out more often21:06
LinuxCodeI tell myself that all the time21:06
czrthen you notice the self-deception? :-)21:06
LinuxCodeI have to self deceive myself21:06
LinuxCodeIm working on something else atm21:07
czrthat's how self-deception normally works21:07
lcuk_3now with n810 you can get out more AND play with linux21:07
LinuxCodeonly way to survive21:07
* czr tries to self-deceive alterego to write the new kernel module doc21:07
czrlcuk_3, "why are your hands your pants' pockets all the time?" "Oh, I'm playing with my device"21:07
lcuk_3its ok, im logged in as root tho21:08
LinuxCodelcuk_3, hahah21:08
lcuk_3i dont think i could keep the 810 in my pocket, the light on the side throbs too often21:09
czras long as you refrain from port scanning in public places, it should be ok21:09
lcuk_3im just worried people will port scan me21:09
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* lcuk_3 crosses his legs21:09
* czr notices that lcuk_3 is wearing a tutu21:10
czrI see your problem..21:10
BlafaselMaybe it's not that bad and only hurts the first time..21:10
lcuk_3and dont mention my furr lined case :|21:10
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czrhah, forgot about the fur already21:10
lcuk_3she hadnt21:10
* czr bets it's going to be pink21:10
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lcuk_3i bloody hope not21:10
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lcuk_3in all seriousness, does anywhere sell practical cases for 810 yet21:11
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czrwell, if it would be dark brown, then people would just think that your chesthair is sticking out of your shirt pockets. is that really what you want?21:11
czrI haven't seen any21:11
lcuk_3nor have i - i think the keyboard is throwing the designers21:11
lcuk_3i might just move forward with my rubber bumpers idea21:12
lcuk_3and stick a screen protector on21:12
Veggen_ok. so no reflash today.21:13
Veggen_(damned cable-variations)21:13
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lcuk_3i gonna vanish - hopefully ill manage to hide all the furry stuff before she comes back21:14
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alteregoI don't think I'll get this to work :(21:26
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tomvis there a way to run a chroot full of ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV) on a regular debian install of ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM)?21:29
alteregoIs that a maemo question?21:29
tomvalterego: the former is what maemo seems to use.21:31
pupnik_debian-arm or armel?21:33
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tomvarmel in the chroot, arm on the outside.21:35
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LinuxCodehmmmwaiting for headers21:43
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pupnik_wow!  vmware lets you do vnc remoting of the whole session, including console!21:47
pupnik_... collaborative development with scratchbox + vmware...21:48
alteregoyou can do that with qemu/kvm to ..21:57
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|Ranyone remember where is the mount command with noexec so i can change it to exec in the OS2008?22:04
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b0unc3|R: you need to modify the fstab or mount -o exec ...22:09
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|Rb0unc3 : fstab is not used, it's in a script somewhere22:09
|Rfstab even points mmc1 to the wrong device (not the one actually used, flipping 1 and 2)22:10
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b0unc3|R: /usr/sbin/mmc-mount22:10
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|Rhoorray! thanks :)22:10
|Rgrep didn't find it for some reasons...22:10
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penguinbait<-- Drops Pin22:36
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* Lynoure picks the pin up (dangerous sharp things)22:37
penguinbaitI was just thinking that was a really deep hole22:37
LynoureDid not actually go to the bottom... yey for telescopic magnet sticks =)22:38
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czrtelescopic magnet stick actually sounds rather dangeours22:41
Lynoureczr: I thought that when I passed one in a store today... Luckily I no longer really need one, not that much pins around anymore22:42
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czrimagine going into some fully metallic room and all of the sudden all kinds of things poking out of your pockets. not convenient!22:42
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penguinbaitmaybe I need to stop walking around with pins in my pockets?22:43
Lynoureheh, is that a stick in your pocket or... =)22:43
lophytehey all22:43
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Lynourelophyte: hello :)22:44
czrLynoure, indeed.22:44
lophytesounds like a room full of bored folks ;)22:44
penguinbaitcould be!22:44
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* czr is updating the out-of-tree-module "guide"22:44
czrhence I'd give anything to do write it..22:44
czrpoking sticks is an adequate diversion.22:45
Lynourelophyte: no need to be bored to take advantage of a joke-potential22:45
lophytetrue enough22:45
lophyteI'm sitting at work twiddling my thumbs, I should be coding...22:45
czr"#maemo, realizing the full potential since 2006"22:45
czrlophyte, thumb-keyboard for irc?22:45
penguinbaitI think we need a maemohelp22:46
lcuk_3i think we simply need help22:46
lophyteactually my IT is sitting idle, no thumb-keyboard for me22:46
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czrlcuk_3, you at least do :-)22:47
ki6amdJ/k... Like the misspelling too there I bet?22:47
lcuk_3lol - its a good job my missus hasnt seen the pins ppl have around here22:47
lcuk_3re: maemohelp channel, if all the help was moved off to another channel how would we get ideas for new programs to write?22:48
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penguinbaitI have heard from non-tech people #maemo is not very helpfull22:48
penguinbaitso I figure make maemohelp, where you should be expected to put up with idiocy :)22:49
lcuk_3i don't think any contact point is perfect but at least (some of us) are real people who from what i have seen genuinely try to help22:49
penguinbaityes, but many smart asses too ;)22:49
lcuk_3the biggest problem with irc that i can see is people need help to get help22:49
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ki6amdSo true22:50
lcuk_3penguin, happens everywhere22:50
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penguinbaiteven in the forums, I know22:50
czreven? :-)22:50
lcuk_3i started with a web based irc - it required no installation22:50
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lophyteI'm not around enough to offer assistance :\22:51
penguinbaitI am working on putting #maemo on, so we will have a quick IRC client22:51
penguinbaitI am running mirc on windows right now22:51
lophytethen again I'm not that tablet savvy anyway, just linux savvy22:51
penguinbaitanyone else notice that mirc guy is losing his hair :)22:51
lophyteI haven't use mirc in ages22:52
ki6amdHmm... Where's the "pipe" on my 810 keyboard?22:52
lophyteif I'm even using windows, I use xchat22:52
penguinbaitI really really like kvirc22:52
lcuk_3lophyte, i bet you can help ppl if they ask the right question..22:52
lophytelcuk_3, most likely if its linux-related and not too tablet specific22:52
lcuk_3pipe on 810 is next to tab ;)22:52
penguinbaitI am running Gaim on windows, not sure why I did not think of x-chat22:52
ki6amdAhh, there it is... |22:52
penguinbaitI guess because mirc never expires22:53
lophytefree build of xchat for windows22:53
lcuk_3i started with
penguinbaitI was an old bitchx user :)22:53
penguinbaitepic also22:53
* czr started with
ki6amdHaving been a debian fanboy pays when you buy an IT, I'll tell you...22:54
lophytethat's for sure22:54
czrat least I think I did. might have been something else before ircii22:54
lophyteI was glad when I bought my n800 and realized it had apt-get22:54
* lcuk_3 has never had any practical experience with any linux22:54
* lophyte tries his best not to use anything except linux22:55
lcuk_3ive dabbled and had a few live disks and installed a few full systems but never understood enough22:55
czrlcuk_3, so, the furry lining is appropriate, not? :-)22:55
penguinbaitI learned linux whan I had a third shift tech job, I never did anything22:55
lophyteI have Windows in a VM when I need it22:55
lophyteie. to download MS reader ebooks22:55
ki6amdHas one windows box out of 7 computers he uses daily... The windows box is for warmth, and some games22:56
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lcuk_3i got this IT because I wanted something i couldn't give up on22:56
lcuk_3windows has always been a poor comforting device22:56
lcuk_3i still miss amiga OS tbh22:56
penguinbaitI bought 770, because it was cheaper than and more available than the zaurus I had been druling over for years  :)22:56
lophytehahah, oh yeah for sure22:56
penguinbaitNokia made me a very happy camper :)22:57
lophytethough I wish I would've waited for the 81022:57
lophyteI bought my n800 just before the 810 came out22:57
jottlcuk_3: install uae on your it ;)22:57
penguinbaitI bought my 770 in Jan 2006, I am very glad I did not wait for 81022:57
ki6amdMe too... I got my 810 for $250us, btw22:57
penguinbaithell I am still waiting for my 810 :(22:57
lophytethe hardware keyboard would've been nice22:57
penguinbaitgood deal k622:58
lophyteI guess I could sell my n80022:58
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lcuk_3jott, i did and ran for ages with it but real life does get in the way and without some major experience in windows i wouldnt have got a decent job22:58
ki6amdCompUSA going out of business sales are great!22:58
lcuk_3i would get an 800 tomorrow to compliment this 81022:58
cbx33hey can i restore from than n800 to an n81022:58
jottlcuk_3: hey you can always put it back in your pocket.. make it a secret ;)22:59
penguinbaitI am the opposite, I turned some linux knowlege into a great paying unix job, windows experience does not pay high enough :)22:59
ki6amdNow there's a project...22:59
lcuk_3but im a developer and that pays enough bills22:59
penguinbaitshould work cbx3322:59
LinuxCode[20:59] penguinbait I am the opposite, I turned some linux knowlege into a great paying unix job, windows experience does not pay high enough :)22:59
LinuxCodewinblows just sucks23:00
penguinbaitI am lowly admin, not a developer :)23:00
* cbx33 too23:00
penguinbaitdevelopers annoy me, NO OFFENSE23:00
penguinbait< ducks23:00
* lophyte swings at penguinbait 23:00
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lophyte< developer/sysadmin contractor23:00
* lcuk_3 tells penguin there are some machines to move up 12 flights of stairs23:00
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* lcuk_3 disables the lift23:01
lcuk_3god i remember jobs like that <- work experience in college...23:01
penguinbaitI dont move machines, you need forklift to move the machines I work on23:01
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ki6amdI love developers... I'd love to be one, although networks are more fun for me.23:02
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lophyteI do a bit of everything23:02
penguinbaitAlright we got the sysadmin and developers, and network folks23:02
lcuk_3you do what you need to do to get a job done23:02
penguinbaitwhere are the SAN admins23:02
* lcuk_3 will get his hands dirty if required23:02
czrpenguinbait, it's only because you deserve it (annoying developers :-)23:02
penguinbaitwhos got thier IT booting over network hehe23:02
ki6amdShoves a ataoe device on the network...23:03
czrki6amd, aoe is more common acronym :-)23:03
LinuxCodewhen you install maemo bash it wants to remove like...anything thats essential23:03
lcuk_3ok folks, before this turns into a pitched battle, might i suggest we go for a beer?23:03
* czr will buy beer to anyone close enough23:04
penguinbaitnever needed more than ash?23:04
lophyteI removed osso-media-player one time and it removed the browser with it23:04
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ki6amdTo the fridge!23:04
LinuxCodepenguinbait, I prefer bash23:04
LinuxCodejust personal preference23:04
penguinbaitczr where are you23:04
penguinbaitI want a beer23:04
czrpenguinbait, here :-). Hakaniemi/Helsinki/Finland.23:04
ki6amdWould love to see bash here too23:04
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lcuk_3Manchester England23:04
penguinbaitme to, but I just have no real need for it23:04
lophyte< the other side of the world23:04
czrdamn. you're all scattered around..23:05
czrobviously you don't love Nokia enough!23:05
cbx33anyone tried a restore from an n800 to an n810??? thanks penguinbait23:05
penguinbaitoh, better count me out on the first round, its gonna take me a minute or two to get there23:05
lcuk_3its ok, remember - the internet is just a series of tubes.  just pour beer into your router23:05
czrheh lcuk_323:05
penguinbaitseeing how 810 OS runs on 800, it seems like it would work23:05
czrBoRTP (Beer over Real Time Protocol)23:06
lcuk_3cbx - if you did a backup using a full version of OS2008 then you should not have any problems23:06
penguinbaityou pour, I will wait here for beer to come out23:06
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lcuk_3if however you backed up using 2007 then you might have23:06
penguinbaitGuiness only please :)23:06
czrjust let's hope the RTP isn't run on top of IP over Avian Carrier networks23:06
czrwe have guiness here though. I'm sure BoRTP wouldn't care.23:07
penguinbait< didn't consider peopel are actually still running 2007OS23:07
cbx33no no23:07
cbx33I was on os2008 on the n80023:07
cbx33latest release23:07
LinuxCodemeh cant install autoconf either23:07
lcuk_3was it beta of 200823:07
cbx33just checking23:07
cbx33lcuk_3, no23:07
LinuxCodeit would be nice if the deps would be more loose23:07
cbx33full release23:07
lcuk_3ahhh right cbx, it should be fine, but if you are restoring anyway try it and let us know23:07
cbx33I will23:07
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lcuk_3if it works we will add it to our borg memory23:07
cbx33I can always flash it again right?23:07
LinuxCodehow does one flash a n810 ?23:08
lcuk_3with a torch23:08
czryou find the brighest LED you can23:08
LinuxCodeI had no cd or anything23:08
cbx33is it not the same way as an n800?23:08
penguinbaitanyone here ever tun n810 stolen os on the n800?23:08
cbx33LinuxCode, no you download the flasher utility23:08
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czrLinuxCode, via USB cable from your computer23:08
penguinbaitnot beta23:08
cbx33penguinbait, ??23:08
ki6amdHopefully, it's a light beer being shoved down the,pipes... We don't want our isp to get drunk...23:08
lcuk_3linux, in reality if you got the cable that came with it you get the flasher utility from nokia23:08
LinuxCodeczr, kk thx23:08
cbx33they are the same right?23:08
czrpenguinbait, tun?23:08
LinuxCodeand cbx3323:08
penguinbaitI ran the n810 firmware on the n800 prior to n800 releasing 2008 beta23:08
cbx33oh i see23:09
lcuk_3you went back in time?23:09
penguinbaitI am running latest OS now23:09
cbx33you were one of the naughty ones ;)23:09
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czrhmm. has 2008 been released for N800?23:09
cbx33czr, yes23:09
* czr has been vacationing23:09
cbx33I have it23:09
penguinbaitin about, in control panel,  I have unknown instead of version23:09
cbx33there is actually a second release isn't it?23:09
czrI'm still running a pre-release on it23:10
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cbx33czr upgrade23:10
czror rather, it's been installed, the device is powered off for ages :-)23:10
cbx33painless here23:10
penguinbaitanyone else show unknown on latest 2008 n800 os23:10
czrerr. I know :-)23:10
cbx33penguinbait, not tried23:10
czrI just don't use the devices much23:10
ki6amdI think it's time I get a bluetooth keyboard... Or put my thumbs on a diet23:10
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czrki6amd, you could strech them23:10
ki6amdSounds too painful23:11
lcuk_3version: 2.2007.50-223:11
penguinbaitor put them on a workout schedule23:11
penguinbaitno carbs either23:11
penguinbaitanyone else here try the 2008os on n800 prior to beta release?23:11
cbx33lcuk_3, snap23:12
ki6amdLess McDonald's too?23:12
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LinuxCodelol tar wont install either23:12
LinuxCodesame thing23:12
lcuk_3penguinbait, you mean after it was released for 810, but before they beta tested it for 800? or something else23:12
czrpenguinbait, me23:12
czrbut I didn't use the 810 fw on it.23:12
ki6amdWell, gotta run, see ya'll l8r23:13
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lcuk_3how do i know if i am marked away - does my name change in here or do i just get greyed out?23:14
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czrlcuk_3, your name doesn't change. it shouldn't.23:15
penguinbaitno I am wondering if anyone used 810 firmware on n800?23:15
Veggen_lcuk: name doesn't change. other than that, it's totally dependent upon what client one's using.23:15
czrlcuk_3, /whois lcuk_323:15
penguinbaitanyone else that is23:15
Veggen_(how it's shown)23:15
czror depending on client, the name might be of different color in some list of nicks.23:15
Veggen_but at least it should show on /whois, yes.23:16
lcuk_3yer i'd just seen a few people changing names23:16
czrit's very annoying23:16
czrthey just lurk on 20 channels and spam each channel on afk/aways23:16
lcuk_3ive got name list in my client i just didnt know how it worked in here23:16
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lcuk_3right, heads or tails folks ( heads i play with python, tails i code in Portal ) or something like that23:18
czrhence the language of Porhon is born.23:18
lcuk_3but i will drop my companion cube if i have to indent23:18
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penguinbaitporn is born23:19
lcuk_3i just realised i havent even booted it up since i got n81023:19
penguinbaitAl gore invented porn, right after the internet23:19
lcuk_3but porn was already invented b4 the internet23:19
lcuk_3the bible originally started as a TGP23:20
penguinbaitstreaming porn23:20
Veggen_penguinbait: silly you. Of course he invented the internet to have a series of tubes to send his porn through. Unfortunately, the instructions were a bit clear, he wanted physical tubes but what got out of it was virtual tubes.23:21
Veggen_But that did, unfortunately, not stop the porn.23:21
Veggen_(or fortunately, depending on your point of view)23:21
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lcuk_3becareful with your point of view, you'll have someones eye out with it23:22
jottcould someone please confirm this funny sbox bug (chinook arm)? do "touch"23:23
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penguinbaityoull poke your eye out!23:24
penguinbaityoull poke your eye out!23:24
lcuk_3WARNING: do not look at the porn with your remaining eye23:24
penguinbaitsorry its that 24hours of a christmas story around the holidays23:25
czrjott, ok23:25
czrjott, interesting :-)23:25
penguinbaitI just want a red rider bb gun?23:25
czrjott, now my sbox is broken btw :-)23:26
jottyou can just "rm" it to fix it ;)23:26
czrjott, but hey, that's pretty cool :-)23:26
penguinbaitI tar mine up as soon as its setup23:26
czrthe X86 side doesn't have it?23:26
penguinbaitmakes recovery easier23:26
penguinbaitand alternate sbox instanes also23:26
jottyeah especially if there is really a and hence the build fails ;)23:27
czrah, X86 is also broken23:27
czrjott, my sbox breaks completely once I execute that. login fails as well after that23:27
lcuk_3i gather i shouldnt try touching the stats on the 810?23:27
czr'import site' failed; use -v for traceback..23:27
jotteek.. yeah just delete the file..23:27
czrjott, I know. just very interesting.23:27
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czrjott, any ideas what causes it?23:28
czrthat's python breaking for sure, but why..23:28
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czrand which python :-)23:28
czrtouch is a binary command, so it's not that. but the sbox environment uses python for something on the background or something similar?23:28
jottyeah all is wrapped in a python session afaik23:29
jottto delegate host/target stuff23:29
czr"great" :-)23:29
czrI found another one23:29 ;-)23:29
czrdifferent error too ;-)23:29
jotthehe luckly this is not a production env.. i imagine very nice code injections with this one..23:30
czrjott, have you reported this yet?23:30
jottno just discovered it..23:30
* czr nods23:30
czryeah. interesting stuff.23:30
jottwhere should i report this anyway? :)23:30
jottmaybe it's fixed upstream already..23:30
czrask on #scratchbox23:30
jottyeah good point23:31
czrthey'll know what to do with bugs from maemo versions of sbox I guess23:31
czrand reporting them in maemo wouldn't make much sense I guess23:31
czrthe culprit is /scratchbox/tools/bin/intehbox23:32
czrinthebox even23:32
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jottthough i don't see that file does something wrong (but importing sys and os :)23:34
jottand probably doing a stat :)23:34
czrI'm working on a fix23:34
czrwell. it does use chroot. which implies root privs23:35
czror no. it doesn't :-)23:35
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czrjott, interesting that python by default does not do that. it's the sbox version that's somehow broken23:37
Tama^2Is Khertan around?23:38
jottlets try an ltrace of the sbox session :)..23:38
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michele_/usr/bin/scratchbox: line 234: 21359 Segmentation fault      (core dumped)23:44
cbx33i didn't know the n810 only had one memory card slot23:44
cbx33and that it wasn't sd23:44
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michele_I amtrying to build evince (the ported one in garage), but pkg-config complains23:48
michele_checking for GDU_MODULE_VERSION_CHECK... configure: error: Package requirements (gnome-doc-utils >= 0.3.2) were not met:23:48
michele_No package 'gnome-doc-utils' found23:48
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czrjott, it's not simple23:49
czrit's an evil thing.23:49
jotthm yeah and the #scratchbox people are away or asleep atm..23:50
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jott22:51 < dpb> It's a known bug                                                                                                                  pto23:52
jott22:51 <      jott> ok, is there a workaround?                                                                                                  tobb23:52
jott22:51 < dpb> No, as far as I know.                                                                                                             veli23:52
jott(ignore the pto tobb veli ;)23:52
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czrI might have found a solution23:54
czralthough I'm not at all sure whether it's the correct one.23:54
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czrjott, you using the env to build something?23:55
czr(i.e., you want to test the fix?)23:55
michele_anybody knows how I can disable the gnome-doc-utils check?23:55
jottczr: sure i'll give it a try23:56
czrjott, outside sbox, do the following:23:57
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czrmodify the #! line of /scratchbox/tools/bin/inthebox to read: #!/usr/bin/python -E23:57
czr(original is /usr/bin/env python)23:58
czrthe problem is caused by python reading when it starts (before any script is executed)23:58
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czrthat was the part which triggered the problems23:58
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hachiI'm getting an 'operation failed' when I try to update my apps list in the app manager23:58
czrjott, you have account in sbox-bugzilla? or should I report this?23:58
czror rather, report the fix and observations23:59
jottczr: no i have no account.. i guess adding to 298 would be good..23:59
czrjott, ok. will do.23:59
czrtell me how it goes23:59
czr(testing the fix)23:59
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Cptnodegardigo for 18 pounds o.o23:59
jottczr looks good so far.. (don't know if it has side effects yetz)23:59
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