IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-01-14

GeneralAntillesIt's an issue with the LCD controller, I think, actually.00:00
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lcukif i can shave anything off so its just a blit rather than rendering a whole page of text it might be worth it00:00
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lcuki like the cleanliness of the font and wouldnt go back down in res now00:01
derfOh, good, the N810 is out of stock in the US store again, without the codes ever actually working.00:01
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Blafaselderf: Wasn't me. ;)00:01
GeneralAntillesUsing "Sans", lcuk?00:02
lcukdunno lol - i just looked through them all till i found one that made me comfortable ill check00:02
lcuksize 2000:03
GeneralAntillesI'm 1400:03
GeneralAntillesMight try it00:03
lcukeasy on my eyes and like i said its about the same amount of text as i got on my old device00:03
GeneralAntillesI set up the d-pad to change text-size for when I'm feeling blind.00:03
lcukblack paper white text...00:03
GeneralAntillesOf course.00:04
GeneralAntillesThe other thing about your old device, it probably had, what, a third of the pixels to render? :P00:04
lcuki was on mornal white on the old device because black was this bright grey00:04
|tbb|generalantilles, could you tell me what were possible with powervr enabled device,  is there a device out there with this enabled00:04
lcukyer i realise that (and it was less than 25%)00:05
GeneralAntillesHigh-end N95-series phones00:05
GeneralAntillessearch "PowerVR" on youtube for some examples00:05
glassn95 and e9000:05
glassalso n93i00:05
GeneralAntillesIt's pretty impressive00:06
lcuktbb - the powervr has an internal block of memory for its framebuffer which i believe cannot hold an 800*480 screen which we need which is why it was not used, but thats just off all the speculation i have read00:06
glassof those e90 has highest res00:06
GeneralAntillesA similarly outfitted Dell Axim did Q3 at 640x480 at about 20-25fps00:06
glasse90 has 800x352 inside screen res iirc00:06
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* lcuk hopes hes wrong00:06
|tbb|damn, if n95 does why not n810 grrr00:06
lcuk^ me i mean not you glass00:06
GeneralAntillesYeah, I agree with that estimation, lcuk.00:06
GeneralAntillesIf it's larger than the built-in LCD controller . . .00:06
GeneralAntillesgood news is that the OMAP3430 is going to be shit-hot. :D00:07
GeneralAntilles|tbb|, screen resolution00:07
lcukant - it might not be a bad thing if we can blast it with 400*240 and copy to the 8x0 LCD framebuffer00:07
GeneralAntillesN95 uses the built-in LCD controller on the chip00:07
GeneralAntilleswe use a 3rd party controller because the built-in one is only VGA00:07
GeneralAntillesYeah, lcuk, pixel doubling would be fine with me.00:07
lcukfor games at least00:07
|tbb|okay, so no hope then00:08
GeneralAntillesSend your proposal to Nokia management. :P00:08
lcukif we can get the vectors into it and build a frame out of it quickly the slowdown by copying back to the framebuffer should still be better than all software 3d rendering00:08
lcuki keep going back and looking00:08
lcuki know the framebuffer code in the older linux drivers wont work because thats for the older physical graphics cards00:09
lcukwe need the blob from an actual 2420 implimentation and see what its doing00:09
lcukeven if we just get a penguin its a start00:09
lcukall graphics cards need a Set Mode, set scene, send data, refresh.    those are SIMPLE operations and if we can coax those out of some other implimentation we can work on the rest and get a proper framebuffer working00:10
GeneralAntilleslardman is probably the guy to collaborate once he gets done with his badass DSP hacking.00:10
lcukyer ive read back in the logs and on ITT and his name has come up an awful lot00:11
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* lcuk is very interested in following this up00:11
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lcukit frustrates me to have the hardware and noway to use it00:12
|tbb|lcuk, thats what me frustrating to. i would feel better if i dont know about this00:14
lcukwe will get there soon00:14
|tbb|from a scale 1-10 of hope, where you are00:15
lcukin a way i feel the same way that people with other devices do.  take the nintendo DS.  there is now linux running on there after some hacking and building a framebuffer etc on it00:15
lcukits all pie in the sky until we have some actual verifyable code running on a 242000:16
Takwhat's the word, gentlemen?00:16
|tbb|that give me hope00:16
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lcukthere is a 2420 development board from ti which membership costs about $4000   im wondering if the source you get with that gives full access to the entire thing00:17
giskardhey guys there is something like internet table video convferter for linux?00:17
Jaffagiskard: <plug> </plug>00:17
giskardJaffa, thank you00:17
lcukGeneralAntilles, theres no point in drooling over future hardware when you have a decent device in front of you today00:18
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|tbb|nokia should pay some of you for the membership00:19
lcukthey are already members00:20
lcukthey have the devices they have the code00:20
lcukbut i think for the res of the 8x0 we cannot use it00:20
lcukbut if we could render a scene in its internal memory (just at a lower more managable res) then copy to the 8x0 LCD framebuffer (which is outside the 2420 chip) we would be onto a winner00:20
GeneralAntillesI have money and I want moar power! :P00:21
lcukthen buy your own now - have a whole dev board in your pocket :P00:21
lcukdoes anyone have proper technical details of the 8x0?00:22
GeneralAntillesN900, N900 . . . mmm.00:22
BlafaselHmm.. I'm only an app dev, nothing as low level as that. I do hope that I can bring some stuff to the 810 anyway, though00:22
GeneralAntillesWhat sort of technical details00:22
lcukwhich framebuffer does it use etc how is it connected to the 2420 - can the 2420 output graphics data directly to the lcd framebuffer or is it out of sequence00:22
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lcukBlafasel, same here but if needs must I will get my hands greasy and work on the engine00:23
wumpuslcuk: it can't access the framebuffer directly00:23
wumpusit goes through a serial interface00:24
wumpusan ackwardly slow serial link even00:24
lcukmy boss always says "if you cannot find a solution now do not fret, we will have a discussion later and something will pop up"00:24
lcukouch @ serial00:24
lcukit cant be that slow because you can decode video and send it to it at 25+ fps00:25
wumpusonly with frame doubling00:26
lcukthats fine, for games i dont mind 400*24000:26
wumpusthe source file is in the linux kernel and should be called blizzard.c or so00:26
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lcukithanks ill take a look00:26
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wumpusyes, for a lot of things it's fast enough00:26
wumpusjust not as flashy as it could be :)00:26
lcuki was reading up a discussion where the mplayer guy was going over some optimisations here00:26
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lcukthe lcd controller itself doesn't have actual hardware doubling any more does it (i know the 770 did)00:28
wumpuseh, it should00:29
Takhardware doubling still works00:29
JaffaISTR it having arbitrary scaling, rather than just doubling00:29
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wumpusif it wouldn't have hardware scaling then it would be a lot slower00:30
lcuki am sure this was not doing its job so mplayer guy optimised the kernel driver to do doubling faster00:30
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wumpuswell it's the transfer to the controller that's slow, the more data you send the slower00:30
lcukyer i know that and they send only 12 bit now because thats all it can handle00:31
wumpusof course the video itself needs a lot of optimization too, most multimedia devices (like the arcos) actually have two arm + dsp00:31
wumpusthen again that might be besides the point of the device, it's a web tablet :)00:32
lcukive found the thread ill just take a quick re-read back over it (its a long one...)00:33
lcuksorry this is link, google gives it as printable so cancel printer..00:33
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lcukim sure all this information is filling my brain with so much crap its pushing out the good stuff01:01
GeneralAntillesDoesn't work like that. :P01:01
lcukbut what will i do if i cannot remember the 68k assembler instructions for making fractals on my amiga?01:02
GeneralAntillesFail . . .01:02
lcukoh poo01:02
lcukit will all go in slowly and a solution will emerge :)01:02
|tbb|for what the heck is metalyer-crawler it eats the cpu permanent over 90 percent about half an hour01:02
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GeneralAntillesIt's the crawler for Media player01:02
GeneralAntillesyou have any looping symlinks?01:03
GeneralAntillesCorrupt filesystems?01:03
lcukor just lots of pr0n ;)01:03
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* lcuk lets his mind wander a bit more01:04
lcukyoutube/flash playback in general01:04
pupnikoh btw, the xaos fractal browser almost works on the tablet01:04
pupnikneeds some alignment or endianness fixes01:04
|tbb|hmh i got a symlink under user called main link to /01:04
GeneralAntillesMight do it, |tbb|.01:05
lcukthere was a thread about this symlink problem as well but im goin havin a bath in a minute so someone else can find it :P01:05
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lcukbefore my bath tho there is one thing i'll throw out..01:06
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|tbb|so i should remove that link?01:06
lcukflash playback is driven by a plugin.  if we wrote a new plugin to handle flash and if it needs a movie auto save and forward to mplayer, and if its a normal flash let the default plugin handle it would this be possible?01:07
lcuki dunno tbb but i didnt do it cos i read it was causing problems01:08
GeneralAntillesSure, lcuk.01:08
lcukcos for flash in general i want/need the flashblock capabilities (click to play)01:08
lcuki helped sort out flashblock on firefox back when flash 8 came out cos it was broken01:09
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lcukbut this needs more - i know the actual flash plugin is a compiled module and i havent even started native compilation yet01:09
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lcukhaving flash on tap-to-play would be beneficial as the cpu wouldn't be tied up playing whilst scrolling for most things01:10
* lcuk thinks he needs to take a chill pill really but theres just so much work to do to make this tablet really really really nice01:11
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GeneralAntillesThen get to work, you lazy bum! :P01:11
lcuklol i havent stopped since i got it - much to the chargrin of the missus01:12
lcuktho she keeps nicking it to play games on it so it works to some level01:12
|tbb|problem solved :(01:12
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pupnikLike a cat hogging your keyboard?01:13
GeneralAntillesDamn keyboard-cats.01:13
lcuklol dont let outs up here :P01:14
lcukours ^01:14
lcukanyway speak of the devil im offski01:14
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* czr is slightly tired and read that as "speak as the devil lokki"02:35
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HardandFast#join n80002:41
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alteregoczr, did you ever witness a full maemo rootstrap build?02:43
alteregoSorry, rootfs build ..02:43
alteregoI'm thinking of making maemo development images for my N80002:43
czralterego, nope02:43
alteregoSo, no hints or pointers?02:44
alteregoI'm thinking of maybe building on top of an official root image.02:44
alteregoUpdating packages one by one and fixing breaks. ^_^02:44
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alteregoHeh, my N810 is called "proteus" ..02:45
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proteousmy name is much more phonetic :)02:46
petergunnmine is called Joshua02:46
proteouswell, depending on how you say it I guess02:46
alteregoWell, I named it after one of Neptune's moons ..02:47
alteregoWhich is spelt "Proteus" :P02:47
proteousI just wanted a nick that wasn't always taken :P02:48
alteregoYou should register a nick.02:48
alteregoIf someone steals my nick, I can reclaim it.02:48
alteregoWhich happens quite frequently ^_^02:48
proteousI don't have that problem due to my "creative" spelling skilz02:48
alteregoWhich means you can't do things like private message :P02:49
alteregoOr talk in certain channels ..02:49
proteousI belive I do have this nick registered02:50
proteousI just dont' have it set up to auto identify when I connect to the server02:50
proteouswonder what I set the password to02:50
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proteousthere, happy now :)02:53
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alteregoAwesome, SDK is setup like a charm.03:24
alteregoTomorrow I can get back into ruby-maemo development :)03:25
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czralterego, whee. and then finally I'll get my TODO-application? ;-)03:27
alteregoI gave up after hearing about pimoloci03:28
alteregoOr whatever it's called.03:28
czrit sounds evil at least03:28
czrwhat is it?03:28
czr"your children will all be eaten by pimoloci"03:28
alteregoIt's a PIM suite for Linux based "PDA's" ;)03:28
czrerr. right :-)03:28
czrI think it's devil's spawn03:28
alteregoThat's the chesnut03:28
czrPIM or no PIM!03:28
alteregoWhat's wrong with "Notes" ? :P03:29
czrRobot101, you used it?03:29
Robot101no, but it's a place in london... a simple pun.03:29
czrah. that explains it. sounded somewhat familiar. could I've seen it on a map / underground thingy?03:29
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czrnm though :-)03:30
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alteregoI can also compile the driver for a USB wireless dongle I have.03:36
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alteregoczr, played with sbox2 yet?03:37
czralterego, haven't touched maemo/sbox yet ;-)03:37
czrenjoying my post-vacation flu way too much03:37
Sho_Hm, am I having it right that the file manager in IT2008 does Samba, but no auth?03:37
czralterego, have been working on a brainless project03:37
czralterego, tools for do batch mp3 retagging03:38
alteregoWell, BORING! :P03:38
czralterego, true. but brainless enough :-)03:38
czrcan't be bothered doing anything interesting while having headaches03:38
alteregoYeah, it's good to do those kinds of projects just to get by ;)03:39
czrbesides, I didn't code for the whole vacation..03:39
czrI need something gradual to get me back into the mood. and I dropped drinking coffee too. which has been really interesting.03:39
alteregoIt's like, currently I'm writing some scripts to manage my kvm hardware virtualized environments.03:39
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czrindeed :-)03:39
DelioSho_: yes03:39
Sho_Delio: Sigh. Time to dig up cifs.ko again, then :-)03:40
alteregoscripts are good though, they like a self documenting library of how-tos :)03:40
alteregoAnd functional too ^_^03:40
alteregoI've really got back into shell scripting for some reason.03:41
czralterego, until you don't use them for 6 months and then return to them, just to realize that you've not written a README or STARTHERE nor documented anything, and you have 10 scripts all named like "test1" and "test2" and they contain a lot of the same code..03:41
alteregoCan't say I suffer that :P03:41
czrI do that sometimes. But I work on way too many projects anyway03:41
alteregoI'm very anal. My filesystems are clinically clean ..03:41
czrI'm getting there.03:42
alteregoI have very specific ways of doing things.03:42
czryeah. Anal ways.03:42
Sho_alterego: I really like fish's scripting language (, and the amenities it offers for writing it ad-hoc (multi-line input mode, syntax coloring, etc.) - it's a brilliant shell03:42
alteregoSho_, sounds like the devils language :P03:42
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alteregoOr something to do with pirates maybe.03:43
penguinbaitargh! matey!03:43
czrbegin PLANK;03:43
GeneralAntillesTo the plank with this lubber!03:43
Sho_Well, it's scripting syntax and abilities are nicer than bash's anyway :-)03:43
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Sho_The Ars Technica and LWN articles linked from the homepage give good primers03:44
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czrSho_, how large things have you used it for?03:44
czrthe thing with non-std shells is that .. well.. any linux has bash/relative installed03:45
Sho_czr: Nothing in excess of 1k lines. Mostly utility scripts used during software development (e.g. packaging, translation validation and similar) and system administration.03:45
czr1k sounds decent enough though03:46
proteousquiting coffee is a good way to get a nasty headache for a day or two03:46
czrproteous, that's just the start03:46
czrI've been drinking coffee for ages. too much of it too. now I'm just perpertually tired.03:46
czralthough it's getting better, but really slowly03:47
alteregoczr, drinking lots of water and eating fresh fruits?03:47
czralterego, nghgh. drinking tea ;-)03:47
Vulcanis[20:46:32] <proteous> quiting coffee is a good way to get a nasty headache for a day or two -- drink lots of water.03:47
czrbut hey, it's green tea. it can't all be that bad, right :-)03:47
VulcanisGreen tea has no caffine, though, IIRC03:47
czrwell, I don't drink it so much. more hassle to make tea than coffee, hence I drink less of it.03:48
czrSho_, screenshots look very enticing..03:49
czr" All colors can be configured to suit your (lack of) taste."03:49
czrfinally, a shell to cater my lack of taste!03:50
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penguinbaityou ever try to help people who just cant seem to be helped?03:54
czrthe joys of IRC03:54
penguinbaitand forums03:56
GeneralAntillesOh god.03:58
* GeneralAntilles goes all PTSD03:58
czrhah. forums.. the worst thing that has happened since AOL03:58
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Delioyes, forums fail xD03:59
czrI wish google would provide a mechanism to search everything BUT forums04:00
GeneralAntillesI've gotten a lot of good info out of forums over the years. :P04:00
czrI'm not even joking..04:00
czrwell, maybe they could provide "search ONLY forums" function for you then ;-)04:00
DelioGeneralAntilles: information regarding the level of cluelessness and general ineptitude of ppl?04:01
GeneralAntillesWell, that, too.04:01
GeneralAntillesReally, there are stupid people everywhere04:02
GeneralAntillesthe medium hardly dictates the amount of stupidity04:02
* czr makes everybody feel much better by putting on his "stupid people do it in forums" T-shirt04:02
czralthough, I'd have to take off my "C coders do it with dangling pointers" T-shirt first.04:02
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Deliodifferent media offer different 'resistance' to publishing04:03
GeneralAntillesThere's plenty of mental retardation on nytimes.com04:03
czrhave you noticed that any mechanism that lowers the bar of entry to some media for the masses is considered as "advancement"04:04
* czr disagrees04:04
czrwith the advancement part at least.04:04
proteousgetting rid of 95% of forum results is as easy as -inurl:(forum|forums) searchkeywords04:04
czrI want a checkbox!04:04
czrI really should try to learn to use google some of these days04:05
Delioczr: you want to lower the bar!04:05
czrso far - and quotes has been enough04:05
czrDelio, of course. I'm allowed to contradict myself!04:05
proteouseveryone knows that when webtv came out the internet got 110% better04:05
* czr nods04:05
proteouseverone was also amazed at how wonderfull newsgroups got when AOLers were finaly let out on the real internet04:06
czrmuch more colorful04:06
czrit's like when people started using HTML for email, with all the nice colorful backgrounds and different Comic fonts..04:06
czrI actually saw AOL for the first time in my life during my vacation04:06
proteousHTML email makes mutt cry04:06
czrhad to downgrade my moms AOL to older version since the newer version just kept on crashing completely..04:07
czrand the old version now pops up "Do you want to upgrade"-dialogs each time it's started04:07
czrwith no possibility of "Don't ask this again"04:07
czrit's evil.04:07
proteousit's AOL04:08
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czrbut I never imagined it to be so bad.04:08
proteousit's amazing what some people will put up with04:08
czrand I was amazed at the level of isolation it does for users04:08
czrthey can't tell apart Internet from AOL. for them, AOL = Internet.04:08
proteousyeah, heh04:08
* czr wishes that it would become illegal to use graphical systems04:09
czryes, including framebuffers damn it!04:09
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GeneralAntillesNow you just sound old and bitter.04:10
proteouswhat about ascii art04:10
czrascii art is ok, as long as it fits into 80x2504:10
czrand uses only NVT cahrs04:10
czrchars even04:10
czrGeneralAntilles, I am old and bitter.. :-)04:10
proteousyou'll need to require fixed width fonts only too04:11
lcukhi def ascii art works a treat :D (and not this interlaced nonesense, full progressive frames)04:11
czrlibcaca? :-)04:11
proteousmy old ATI vid card had an ascii art mode, would reneder the whole screen like that, was interesting for quake304:11
czryeah, I still remember running mpeg decoders with SDLs libwhatwasit output. watching SW trailers was never so much fun..04:11
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proteousunplayable, but interesting, ascii video at 1600x1200 still doesn't give enough detail04:12
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lcukczr, would you know what to do with a modern graphics card ?04:12
czrerr. it was a library, not a feature of the graphics card. at least the one that I used04:13
czrSDL output driver.04:13
proteousthe one I've used was a feature of the graphics card04:13
czrnever heard of that /me shrugs04:13
czrcan you recall which ati chip?04:13
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proteousit was a radeon8500 I think04:14
proteoushmm, I have it in my arcade computer still04:14
lcukhardware accellerated opengl acii art :D04:14
czrwell. I know radeons (esp the older ones) like my back pockets.04:14
czrI'm pretty sure it's not a feature of any of the RV chips04:14
proteousdarn disbelivers04:15
czr(I used to write drivers for radeons)04:15
czrmaybe you used the SDL thingy as well04:15
czras q3 used SDL04:15
proteouslet examin the interwebs and surf you up a netpage for it04:15
* czr nods04:15
czruse the forums luke, use the forums..04:15
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proteousit was a smartshader affect you could turn on, looked like this in UrbanTerror, a quake3 mod:
czrmakes sense now04:17
czrI didn't take into account shaders04:17
* czr stands corrected04:18
czrthe same effect could be done with OpenGL shaders though04:18
czrbut I'm not sure how to get them into q3 though04:18
czrand opengl shaders require new hw anyway04:18
czr(ogl 2)04:18
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shack008nwow, 5 hours of bluetooth pan connection and i still have half the battery04:30
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Delioon n8x0?04:33
DelioI haven't set up PAN yet04:38
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Deliowanted to try though04:39
lcuk2hi again ppl04:39
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lcuk2small gps question.   can i save gps journey log with builtin 810/map combo and if not what do i need? google foo aint coming up wih anything04:40
oil_good morning04:42
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GeneralAntillesI very much doubt it, lcuk2.04:47
GeneralAntillesThat's a maemo mapper thing.04:47
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lcuk2can i just write out the output when the icon is active04:49
lcuk2ie a little shell script04:49
lcuk2(i think i can actually but the devil is in the details, reading up on openstreetmap site at the mo04:50
GeneralAntillesI'd look at the maemo mapper code if you want to do that.04:51
GeneralAntillesYou could probably set something up to poll gspd pretty easily.04:51
GeneralAntillesHave it stick those coordinates into a kml.04:52
lcuk2sounds reasonable :) there is apython binding04:55
lcuk2 thanks :)04:56
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rm_youAhhh... Back :)05:10
GeneralAntillesrm_you, you get the GTK menu issue figured out and I'll shill for you like no shill has ever shilled before. ;)05:14
rm_youWas hoping for a response from the maemo developers mailing list, but even that seems to be a dead end :(05:14
czrrm_you, yeah, better wait until monday evening (in finland)05:15
czrmaybe someone might have motivation in the morning (in nokia)05:15
rm_youI may have to put on my ninja suit, fly to Nokia's headquarters, break in, and steal the source code for their BRIGHTNESS APP.05:15
czrif not, well then.. maybe it's time for small example program and place a bug05:15
czrrm_you, I doubt they keep the code at the hq ;-)05:15
czrbut given enough money, I will give you additional hints05:15
rm_youI'm just going to guess it's really simple, and it just isn't documented >_>05:16
GeneralAntillesStart compiling random characters until you get it.05:16
rm_youczr: you work at/with nokia? :P05:19
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czrnot really05:20
GeneralAntillesCorporate espionage!05:20
rm_youI need to bribe someone who works there to steal the brightness app sourcecode for me05:21
czrrm_you, I wrote most of the training material for them though. (the public one)05:21
czrprobably not worth the money :-)05:21
rm_youi know >_>05:21
GeneralAntillesI want to think that the things that went on to keep a lot of this stuff closed were really interested. But somehow I think I'd be disappointed.05:21
rm_youit's not like i want the source to like... Map... or something :/05:21
GeneralAntillesWho the hell named that?05:21
rm_youI just want the fricking brightness app. it's gotta be what... like 20 lines of code? >_<05:21
czrrm_you, if you hang around the channel during working hours of CET+1, you might get better answers05:22
rm_youdo a lot of nokia people actually come in IRC?05:22
czrGeneralAntilles, same person who named "Browser" and the other tools ;-)05:22
czrrm_you, not a lot, but some05:22
rm_youi can only think of one05:22
GeneralAntillesBrowser makes sense05:22
GeneralAntilles"Map" implies that you're opening one giant map.05:22
GeneralAntillesWhich conjures up a weird image for me.05:22
* czr shrugs05:22
czrto me the name is as logical as browser05:23
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czrNavigation would have been better though, imho05:23
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GeneralAntillesI hope there's a bug.05:23
czrbut I guess they have to pay the translators by the translated character05:23
GeneralAntillesNavigation would have been better if they had seen fit to bundle the navigation service.05:23
* czr shrugs05:24
czrI've yet to use the application succesfully05:24
czrhaven't had proper GPS receiving so far..05:24
GeneralAntillesI downloaded maps05:24
GeneralAntillesgave up05:24
GeneralAntillesmaemo mapper does what I need it to do05:24
czrand the whole app seems very crufty05:24
GeneralAntillesand I have an old Garmin C320 if I need real navigation.05:24
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unique311would really like to see a little small video howto on how to freaking port a C app, and hildon it.  the tutorial seems easy.05:34
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czrunique311, nothing stops you from making one05:34
unique311i would not be asking if i could hildon a C app05:34
czryou might want to take a look at the porting howto though05:34
unique311you read "the tutorial seems easy" part05:35
czrtutorial != porting howto05:36
unique311i followed the python tutorial and figured that one out for a python app.05:36
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unique311   followed those 205:37
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czrah I see. I thought you meant "maemo tutorial" by "tutorial" :-)05:39
unique311     this helped me out for a python app.  xgngeo05:39
czrmost of the difficult part in porting comes with dealing lib dependencies, modifying the GUI to suit the device better. the API changes are rather trivial05:39
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czrbut porting per se is not so, at least I wouldn't say so, unless you're porting hello world.05:40
unique311followed the maemo porting guide.05:40
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unique311the monkey bubble guide seems really easy to follow.05:41
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unique311czr, when i do figure out how to hildon an app (C) , i willl have a video up.05:45
* czr nods05:45
czrI'd guess most people don't really learn by watching videos, so there hasn't been much requests for one05:46
bobbywashey guys, I need some help patching some wireless drivers on my notebook, I know it has absolutely nothing to do with maemo, but I have an n800 and everyone here was really helpful and knowledgeable when I had problems, and they are both are linux problems.... so maybe someone can help me out?05:48
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Vulcanisbobbywas: Try ##linux05:51
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unique311czr, for developer i would see how valid that would be (don't really learn by watching vids)05:53
unique311now for an artist just trying to hildon 1 app, a video would make a world of a difference in learning in learning this whole hildon thing.05:55
unique311ever heard of Lynda?05:55
czrunique311, nope06:00
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thefool__anyone find any good car mounts for the n770?06:05
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dick-richardsonis there a decent word processor available? I'd rather avoid google docs if possible07:21
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Delionot that I know of07:22
timelywhat's wrong w/ google docs?07:25
timelyyou could get abiword for some versions of mameo07:25
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dick-richardsononly problem w/google docs is having to be online...I'll be using my cell connection which is little better than dialup07:28
dick-richardsoni have an n810 using the latest os2008 release...has abiword been ported?07:29
timelysee gronmayer in topic?07:29
timelyeventually google docs will probably work offline, dunno if it does yet07:30
timelyi suppose that depends on when someone officially published gears for maemo07:30
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mbufmay i know who is working with qemu for Maemo?07:41
czrmbuf, check the changelog for the qemu source for maemo?07:42
czrit has the quilty parties' emails afair07:42
czrat least names07:42
mbufczr, and from where and how do i get the qemu source for Maemo?07:42
czrtimely, you track qemu in your mxr?07:42
czrmbuf, try looking in mxr (see topic)07:43
mbufczr, thanks07:44
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* Lahiru *sorry08:00
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LahiruCan we install C++ (gcc) on N800.. OS2008?08:15
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DelioI think so but I am not sure, but I am a n00b08:16
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dick-richardsonI'm disappointed...I was hoping dosbox would run better than it does :/08:17
GeneralAntillesRuns pretty well considering.08:19's the keyboard support that is most lacking...the arrow keys don't work on either my stowaway keyboard or the built-in n810's08:21
vegaiLahiru: don't see why not.08:23
vegaibut on another level, don't see why :-P08:23
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GeneralAntillesThe BT keys should work fine.08:27
dick-richardsonthe arrows keys aren't :/08:27
GeneralAntillesIt's basically a one-man port, so if you have skills to contribute, I'm sure he'd appreciate the help.08:27
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Lahiruvegai, :) I'm gonna try compile firefox for KDE on N80008:29
Lahiruvegai, looking for penguinBait :)08:29
vegaiokay, good luck08:30
Lahirudo anyone know how penguinbait ported kde?08:32
LahiruI'm a kde/qt developer... but dnt know how to do those stuff on N800 :)08:32
Lahiruany guidance please08:32
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pupnik_Lahiru: 1) install scratchbox, 2) compile a gtk program in scratchbox 3) read the porting howto to learn how to modify gtk apps to use hildon08:45
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LahiruThanks pupnik_, installed scratchbox.. :)08:51
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mbufczr, not able to find any qemu source packages in chinook from; any other pointers?09:26
czrhmm. not right now mbuf, try searching the mailing list archives?09:28
mbufczr, ok, will do09:28
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Epeloonhi, is there who can help me with PyGTKEditor installation?09:37
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EpeloonI'm getting an error message "Application packages missing"09:38
EpeloonPython 2.5 gtk09:38
EpeloonPython 2.5 gtk209:38
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johnxEpeloon, under application manager click on "tools -> catalogs" or something like that09:42
johnxfind the "extras" repository and enable it09:42
johnxit is disabled by default and it will have the packages you need09:42
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keesjwasup with qqil , is he gone?10:08
* keesj is tryint to spread FUD :P10:10
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ds3is anyone finding regular google maps usable on the N800?10:12
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keesjds3: with maemo-mapper yes10:13
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ds3ah, that's the trick... cuz with microb it is annoying10:13
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keesjI must say that I find the recent maemo-mapper slow10:15
ds3is maemo-mapper setup for googlemaps if I just install it or do I need to config it ?10:16
GeneralAntilles2.3 or < 2.3, keesj?10:16
keesjds3: yesterday I also read about a google maps palm app that worked on the internet tablets (I don't rember the details)10:16
johnxds3, the first time you run it, it will ask if you want to enable additional map source or somesuch10:17
keesjds3: you can press a button (download) this will download a list or repositories10:17
johnxsay yes and google maps is enabled10:17
GeneralAntillesds3, see my posts on page one here: what keesj said10:17
ds3keesj: yeah, the google maps for palm on the GVM works great10:17
GeneralAntilleskeesj, have you tried mm 2.3?10:18
ds3nice post10:19
keesjGeneralAntilles: if it it older then 2 weeks yes :p10:19
GeneralAntillesIt's got some new RAM caching10:19
GeneralAntillesbrings the speed up close to 1.x levels.10:19
ds3does maemo mapper integrate with the OS2008 GPS stuff?10:19
GeneralAntillesHow do you mean, ds3?10:20
GeneralAntillesWith the "Map" application and its associated maps?10:20
ds3no, the GPS icon on top to show the status of GPS lock for example10:20
GeneralAntillesEither way, I don't mind the speed hit for the 50% filesize savings.10:20
GeneralAntillesYes, ds3.10:20
GeneralAntillesN800 or N81010:20
ds3very nice10:20
keesjspeed really is the number one prio to make an appp usable10:20
GeneralAntillesStorage space isn't unlimited.10:21
ds3last question - does maemo mapper let me use a scanned JPG/GIF I provide?10:21
GeneralAntilles50% savings is incredibly large10:21
GeneralAntillesplus, you get rotation and panning with database storage10:21
GeneralAntillesYes, ds3.10:22
GeneralAntillesThough I'm not familiar with the method.10:22
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ds3I can find out latter... got some USGS Topo maps on a CD in GIF format for use with the some windows software10:23
ds3since USGS maps are PD, I want to be able to reuse them10:23
GeneralAntillesGot a buddy working on opening up the Florida USGS coastal aerial topo/lidar/fullspectrum/crazy-dar maps for public use.10:25
GeneralAntillespetabytes and petabytes worth of stuff.10:26
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keesjindeed , 2.3 looks responsive!10:34
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ds3nice, it is quite usable10:39
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rm_yoummm ..... "crazy-dar" :P10:56
rm_youi want me some of that10:56
rm_youand... sleep10:57
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JaffaMorning, all11:26
keesj10:39 < ds3> nice, it is quite usable11:27
keesj10:40 -!- simon_ [] has joined #maemo [10:40] [keesj(+ei)] [3:#maemo(+cn)] [Act: 2,6]11:27
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Khertan_TheRealHi !11:29
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DelioHi Khertan11:29
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b0unc3good morning11:33
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oil_good evening. do you know if it's possible to use Nokia S60 terminals as WLAN hotspot? if not, what would be required to use maemo as one?11:53
oil_if the maemo would connect to 3G phone with bluetooth and act as wlan accesspoint for other wlan devices11:53
zaheermi believe you can't use the s60 handsets as an accesspoint11:54
zaheermbut the maemo devices are different11:54
zaheermyou could definitely connect to the phone with bluetooth, and possibly depending on the wlan driver use it as an access point11:54
johnxI do not believe the drivers/chipset on the N8x0 stuff supports "Master" mode to act as an access point11:55
johnxad-hoc should be doable11:55
johnxyou'd need to have a device supported by the Linux hostap driver for real accesspoint behavior11:56
oil_hmm. need to ask from professor google a bit more11:58
johnxif your question is "can I somehow use my N800's wifi to get my laptop online somehow?" the answer is "probably yes"11:59
oil_johnx: that one and also couple of other devices using wlan and/or bluetooth12:00
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johnxthe answer is "probably"12:01
johnxit's very likely you can use it to your satisfaction once in a while but it probably isn't a great long term solution12:02
glassap's with 3g modems built in aren't _that_ expensive if you need a stationary long term solution12:02
GeneralAntillesThe maemo device is going to be a big bottleneck, anyway.12:03
GeneralAntilles~50KB/sec with DUN and around ~150KB/sec with PAN.12:03
oil_I'm more thinking of the portable and possible mobile solution.12:03
GeneralAntillesJust buy a wifi phone. :P12:04
glassGeneralAntilles: what good would that do?12:04
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glassnot many wifi phones can share the net over their wifi12:04
GeneralAntillesThere are phones that act as network APs.12:04
glasssome wm's can12:04
GeneralAntillesI believe, anyway.12:04
glassvery few can tho12:04
johnxoil_, that's a scenario I've been thinking about as well12:05
oil_GeneralAntilles: well, if I could use some 3g/wifi phone as an AP for other devices, that would be the best option12:05
GeneralAntillesIf you're using multiple wifi devices, wouldn't it be easier to do it with a laptop?12:06
|tbb|is there a easy howto which let me use internet on my n810 if i plug it through usb cable on a xp or nix system?12:09
oil_GeneralAntilles: no, if such thing is not available. Let's say we have 2 wifi phones and one tablet.12:09
GeneralAntillesAh, right.12:09
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maddler|tbb|: there was an howto on maemo.org12:11
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|tbb|thx maddler will try it12:27
nick_fnDoes anyone know of a VNC *server* for Maemo (OS2007)12:34
nick_fn , great, thank you.12:35
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nick_fn(for others, I had to use to get the OS2007 version))12:38
|tbb|GeneralAntilles: will this vncserver work on chinook12:40
nick_fnStrangely, I can't open the application menu (left hand side bar menu) over VNC though.12:40
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nick_fn|tbb|: There is an OS2008 deb12:42
floriangood morning12:42
|tbb|oh nice, after i dont get x-forwarding from n810 trough desktop box to work, its my last chance to show applications on desktop12:44
|tbb|hi florian12:44
nick_fntbh: yeah, I've got got X forwarding to work that way yet either, although I can get Desktop X11 apps to appear on the N800 OK.12:45
Khertan_TheReali ve set up a repos with two applet in python for hildondesktop12:45
GeneralAntilles|tbb|, it's not a GUI application, so yes.12:45
Khertan_TheRealif someone want to try : deb chinook user12:45
GeneralAntillesWho they hell decided that "2008 OS" was the correct way to do it on the ITT wiki? <_<12:45
DelioI'm in Khertan12:46
maddlerit should/wg 2712:46
Khertan_TheReal(i ven't test the install file ... has i ven't network on my n800 here)12:47
DelioI manually added the repo12:50
Khertan_TheRealand repo work ? :)12:50
DelioI get an error when updating the packages list12:50
Khertan_TheRealit s seems to work in the vmware image with sdk12:50
Delioare you sure you are not redirecting to your webpages?12:50
Khertan_TheRealu get an error ?12:50
Khertan_TheRealhow do u have configured it ?12:51
Delioit says "Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)"12:51
Khertan_TheRealhu ?12:51
Deliowhen unpacking packages.gz12:51
Khertan_TheReali think u have an error in the setting ...12:51
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Khertan_TheRealit s work under scratchbox12:52
Khertan_TheReal chinook free12:52
Delioyou said "user" not "free" before :P12:52
Khertan_TheRealoh ! ... sorry12:53
Delionp :)12:53
|tbb|Aigo MID anyone knows which os it has and when it will be availabl?12:53
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Deliofor both python-hildondesktop and hildon-desktop-loader I get "installation file corrupted"12:55
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johnx|tbb|, . The OS is probably intel's midinux I think12:57
Khertan_TheRealDelio .... hum ... i ve never be able to create a repository ...12:57
Khertan_TheRealif u download package and install it with application manager this will work12:58
Deliowell I am happy to be your guinea pig if you'd like to fix the repo12:58
Khertan_TheReali think the hosting server is the problem12:58
Deliootherwise I will download them manually as you suggest12:58
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|tbb|johnx have seen that, nothing about rls date or os, thats why im asking12:59
johnxwell, the OS is almost certainly midinux13:00
johnxand I don't think anyone has the release date yet13:00
johnxthe whole MID platform hasn't seemed to condense from vapor yet13:00
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johnxds3, you were asking earlier about google maps being usable. If you go to (the iphone igoogle page) you can add an "iphone optimized" google maps interface to the page which seems to be a lot more usable then the standard one13:08
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tekonivelTop of the morn, everyone :)13:16
tekonivelI should be swimming, not nerding with n80013:17
skibur3 mile run here :D13:19
tekonivelI wish my IT was waterproof13:20
GeneralAntillesGet yourself an otterbox. ;)13:20
GeneralAntillesOr two ziplock bags.13:20
tekonivelGeneralAntilles: otters are great beasts13:21
tekonivelGeneralAntilles: in reality i should just lessen nerding :)13:22
GeneralAntillesOh, pish!13:22
tekonivelThe swimminghall is gonna get crowded in t+2 hrs13:23
GeneralAntillesNerding makes the world go round. ;)13:23
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tekonivelT, t13:23
fugitivogood morning people13:26
solmumahatekonivel: can you swim in your condition?13:26
tekonivelI hope so... Woke up at 5am13:27
tekonivelMy judgement is impaired13:28
cosmohm, why isn't there update all-button in app manager13:28
tekonivelSafer to just geek around the house in underwear and a hoodie and not go out13:29
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GeneralAntillesBecause that might make things easier for you, cosmo.13:30
cosmosomeone please port synaptic..13:30
GeneralAntillesHehe, you're more than welcome to. :P13:31
LoCusFapt-get update && apt-get -y --force-yes <313:31
GeneralAntillesThankfully we don't have that many packages so far.13:31
johnxcosmo, you want it all nice and hildonized? or want me to just take a swing at it in mud-builder?13:31
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cosmojohnx: just basic port would be enough i think13:32
cosmoat least better than the application manager13:33
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cosmobtw the map application update still fails.. is there some reason  or fix for it+13:33
johnxcosmo, I started a build. I have *no idea how far it will get*13:33
cosmoi don't think synaptic depends on other stuff than basic gtk.. so it might work13:34
tekonivelXterm and Emacs still has encoding problems... But i'll go for a dip now or my soul will burnificate in /dev/null13:34
michele_hardware keys still doesn't work for me in the updated evince...13:34
johnxit dragged chunks of gnome in so far13:34
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johnxand died on docbook13:34
LoCusFthat can be skipped, right?13:35
GeneralAntillescosmo, just ignore it.13:35
GeneralAntillesIt's not relevant or interesting. ;)13:35
Khertan_TheRealmaybe someone can help me, i ve setted my repository but each time i try to install a package i get a corrupted file ...13:36
Khertan_TheRealif i download it ... then install it ... there is no problem13:36
Khertan_TheRealso i think it s come from the server ... but i don't understand why13:36
DelioKhertan_TheReal: have you seen my PM?13:37
massoudEhlo there13:42
massoudDo you guys where can I find the ?13:42
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massoudIt seems that the link is dead ?13:42
johnxmassoud, Is there a reason you want such an old one?13:42
johnxthat's not even the latest 2007 release13:42
massoudno I just want the scratchbox installation kit ... latest one can be great :)13:43
johnxare you trying to develop for 2008OS or 2007OS?13:43
massoudjohnx : 2007OS13:48
johnxone sec, and I'll see what I can dig up :D13:48
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johnxmassoud, first of all the latest is 3.2: so start with the install here, but since it depends on you having 3.1 setup, and 3.1 depends on 3.0, you really were starting in the right place I guess13:49
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johnxthe file you were originally looking for seems to have moved to here:
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johnxall this 2007OS stuff is kind outdated so it looks like URLs in the INSTALL.txt files are kinda broken13:51
johnxis there a reason you're targetting 2007OS instead of 2008OS?13:51
massoudjohnx : Thanks for the url13:53
massoudDo you have the link for the 2008OS scratch installer ?13:54
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johnxall the 2008OS stuff (aka chinook) is here:
massoudI was looking at the portage of obexftp for maemo13:54
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johnxthat would be cool to have13:56
massoudyes obexftp along with hcitool scan to script connexions to BT devices :)13:57
johnxmassoud, agreed13:57
johnxthat's actually very relevant to what I'm doing right now13:57
dpb_portage.. maemo? maemo != gentoo.. ;o13:57
pupnik_hmm, nobody built synergy / synergy2 / quicksynergy for maemo os2008 yet?14:00
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pupnik_i suppose the os2006/2007 binary works with dpkg -i...14:01
Khertan_TheRealDelio> have i ven't received any pm ... are u registered ? pm are blocked on freenode.net14:02
DelioI see14:02
DelioI am not registered... yet14:02
Delio[12:10am] Delio: Error 403 - Forbidden14:03
Delio[12:10am] Delio: L'accès au fichier requiert une autorisation.14:03
Delio[12:10am] Delio: cannot reach the packages manually14:03
Delio[12:11am] Delio: and any url to an unexisting file redirects me your website14:03
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Khertan_TheRealgnieee ... file are here ... i can download it14:03
Khertan_TheRealbut there is any listing ...14:04
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Deliothat works14:05
|tbb|Khertan_TheReal:  what this packages are?14:05
Khertan_TheRealhildon desktop binding for python14:05
Khertan_TheRealand two python applet14:06
Khertan_TheRealand the python hildondesktop launcher14:06
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DelioInstalled the launcher and the bindings plus the cpuspeed applet14:10
Deliothe applet name appears in the list of available applets14:10
Delioonce selected and OKed it will *not* appear and if I go back to the applet selection menu I find it de-selected14:11
SamuraiDiodo someone know how much U$ is the nokia n810 on us?14:13
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|tbb|Khertan_TheReal:  any screenshots available yet14:16
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Khertan_TheRealDelio > strange ... maybe a python lib missing ...14:18
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DelioI will try to figure out what is missing14:21
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Khertan_TheRealDelio > you should try to reboot too ...14:28
DelioI just done that, didn;t help14:29
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Khertan_TheRealarg ... i ve used packaged deb to install it on my n800 and it s work like a charm ...14:34
Khertan_TheRealdon't understand why it doesn't on your14:34
Deliomine is an N800 running OS200814:35
Khertan_TheRealdoes python2.5-runtime is installed ?14:35
pupnik_cool, old synergy works on os200814:35
Delioyes, it is14:35
pupnik_hmm well sorta :)14:35
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Deliocan I run it from the command line?14:36
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pupnik_maemo-gtk-im-switch xim not workin...14:37
Khertan_TheRealDeblio > obviously not ... not easy to debug14:38
Khertan_TheRealyou could try with ipython to load hildondesktop ...14:38
Khertan_TheReal>import hildondesktop14:39
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b0unc3just got my n810 :-)14:39
Deliodone that, no error14:39
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Khertan_TheRealah ...14:41
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Khertan_TheRealso this come from the launcher14:41
* alterego wonders what that has to do with maemo ..14:41
alteregoAzBaR, fuck off.14:41
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GeneralAntillesMore spammers in this channel than I've seen in any other channel on freenode.14:42
Nermalneed a bot :)14:42
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GeneralAntillesNeed some ops.14:43
* Lahiru looking for penguinbait :)14:43
alteregoWell, he didn't stay long ..14:43
* Nermal prempts a ban on his other channels :)14:43
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Khertan_TheRealJoin #PythonRocks_RubySucks !!! .... :)14:47
alteregoI prefer my women to suck ..14:47
Delio>>> import homecpuspeed14:47
Delio>>> homecpuspeed.hd_plugin_get_objects()14:47
Delio[<CPUSpeedPlugin object at 0x4013d8a0 (HomeItem at 0x1b7830)>]14:47
Deliostill no errors14:47
Khertan_TheReali think more of a problem with the .c loader14:50
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lardmanafternoon all14:54
Khertan_TheRealafternoon alone14:55
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hugolpIm getting this everytime I run my program in scratchbox:15:02
hugolp /home/jo/.osso/current-gtk-key-theme:1: Unable to find include file: "keybindings.rc"15:02
hugolpanyone knows if it is something wrong with my programe or with the scratchbox setup?15:03
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zuhhugolp: You are just missing the mentioned file (/home/jo/.osso/keybindings.rc). It's non-fatal, but you could try to create an empty file there to make the warning go away...15:09
hugolpalso Im getting this weird thing with gtk_button. If I set a label and a image in gtk_button I only see the label (no image), but if I set only the image, then the image shows.15:09
hugolpzuh:  ok15:10
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hugolpzuh:  I did a touch and the warning did go away15:13
DelioKhertan_TheReal: /lib/ --list /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loaders/ confirms all dependencies are there (for the loader)15:16
DelioIt's bed time, see you tomorrow15:17
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crashanddiehey everyone, I just setup scratchbox and the whole sdk stuff15:19
crashanddieis xephyr really necessary ?15:20
hugolpcrashanddie:  if you want to see graphical output I think it is15:22
hugolpif you only need the console then you dont need it15:22
alteregoYou can still use xnest, but it wont work properly.15:22
alteregoAs Xephyr supports the composite X11 extension but Xnest does not.15:23
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jottalterego: is composite used? as the readme states to use "-extension Composite"...15:26
jott(as in disable extension)15:26
alteregoWhat readme?15:26
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alteregoYou should read the tutorial really.15:27
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alteregoComposite is used I believe, for transparency ..15:27
jottso it's better to use "+extension Composite" then?! ;)15:27
alteregoObviously that's only needed for OS2008 development.15:27
alteregoWell, just play with the option and see. I don't specify it at all.15:27
crashanddiehmm... I'm only going to be deving for OS200815:28
crashanddieand the tutorial doesn't really specificy we have a choice15:29
crashanddie"For this purpose, we recommend Xephyr, but there are also alternative options."15:29
hugolpwhats wrong with Xephyr?15:29
hugolpit worked fine here15:29
jottwell if composite is really used, then this is obviously a manual bug (as it's the official INSTALL.txt)..15:29
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jottalterego: the tutorial also says to disable composite btw.15:33
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alteregoWhat version of the sdk are you developing for?15:34
alteregoAh yes, you're right. How strange :)15:35
alteregoWell I hope that's intended ..15:35
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jottyeah.. well, it works so far.. just wondered ;)15:35
keesjthe postman delivered a arduino to me by accident.15:35
keesjsome very popular io board Arduino is an open-source electronics prototyping platform based on flexible, eas .....15:37
alteregoOh, that's neat.15:38
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keesjFor for people how really don't like to know how it all works15:38
keesjI wonder what I can do with it15:39
jott"delivered.. by accident" . . when they want it back it will be really messed up, right?! ;>15:39
alteregoYou could build a burgler alarm with it ^_^15:40
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keesjI call then ,because  I also ordered something else from them15:40
keesjand told them. (they gave me a special price for you my friend)15:41
alteregoI'm thinking of starting my own software stack build on Hildon.15:41
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keesjalterego: why?15:41
alteregoUsing my N800 as the platform. As my N810 has replaced it in my heart.15:41
Nermaloh dear15:41
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alteregokeesj, I'd like to build a dist based more on Debian than Maemo is.15:42
keesjalterego: why not join the mamona team?15:42
alteregokeesj, I don't know :)15:42
hugolpanybody here knows if gtk_button in hildon can show a label and a image at the same time or it cant?15:42
Jonalterego: get hildon into debian and have debian be the distro :-)15:42
alteregohugolp, it can.15:43
alteregoBut I can't remember off hand how :P15:43
keesjalterego: I still have a hate relation with debian(but I do use ubuntu as user)15:43
hugolpalterego:  Im getting this weird thing with gtk_button. If I set a label and a image in gtk_button I only see the label (no image), but if I set only the image, then the image shows.15:43
hugolpalterego:  Im checking the gtkbutton.c source at hildon svn but it doesnt take care of that there15:44
hugolpat least that I can see15:44
alteregohugolp, right. You might have to use it's bin properties.15:44
hugolpalterego:  how?15:44
keesjI like mamona since it  uses openembedded and provides e17 , you get a chance to build everyting including a recent toolchain15:44
alteregohugolp, make a HBox, add the image and label. Then add that HBox using gtk_container_add15:45
keesjalterego to be honest I really have no clue what i would mean to creat a distro based on debian15:45
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alteregokeesj, well, maemo is half based on debian, same package management and uses some of the sources too. But it handles a few things very differently. Like networking etc.15:46
alteregoAnd I'm more interested in doing it, just for the sake of it. Not for any real profit/project.15:47
keesjalterego: but I have the feeling the maemo delivered an sdk where "users" use different tools then the "maemo developers"15:47
alteregohugolp, what language are you using? Python or C?15:48
alteregoOr Ruby? ;)15:48
VeggenI feel Nokia is moving in the right direction, making it dist-upgradeable etc. like they have said (?) they'd do.15:48
hugolpalterego:  C15:48
hugolpIm old school15:48
alteregohugolp, right :)15:48
alteregoJust wanted to cheak.15:48
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alterego~check ..15:48
* infobot slams .. into the glass nose first15:48
alteregoErm ..15:49
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johnxwow infobot is violent15:49
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VeggenBut I *would* like it moving even more into the right direction, with making low-level stuff like networking as you mentioned more like debian.15:49
crashanddie I've noticed there aren't exactly a lot of C++ lovers... How come ?15:49
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Jonalterego: I'd like to see basically enough user-level packages in debian proper that you could flash a pure debian onto the n800, with the right packages pre-selected, and have it be just as useful as maemo.15:50
JonI'd also like to see lots of maemo packages build without too much trouble on a pure debian environment on a different arch for that matter :-)15:51
* Jon pokes at checkout of maemopad+ to this end, now and then15:51
VeggenJon: agreed.15:51
johnxthese are all things I'm interested in as well15:51
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johnxI'd like to see a more debianized distro for the n8x0 (even it has to be boot-from-sd) and I'd also like to see a maemo environment available for debian armel for other devices (ie zaurus)15:52
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mgedminwhat's "more debianized"?15:52
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johnxwith a more "official debian" behavior15:53
Jonhmm, boot from sd, hadn't thought about that before.15:53
johnxJon, makes things a lot safer, more roomy and much more recoverable :)15:53
alteregoSlapping maemo onto a zaurus would be hard. The UI isn't very forgiving with small resolution screens.15:53
alteregoSlapping it onto the EeePC would be fine. Though no touch screen :)15:53
johnxalterego, I'd be happy enough with getting most hildonized apps to run ok15:53
Jonfewer repositories in my sources.list, more crypto-signed with a key I know15:53
GeneralAntillesDivorcing ITOS away from the any specific hardware as much as possible is a good idea.15:53
alteregoI think keeping maemo targeted at the tablet UMPC like machines is the best idea.15:54
GeneralAntillesWould do a lot to help keep Nokia relevant.15:54
pupnik_agree with GeneralAntilles15:54
Jonthere's this ubuntu mobile thing, if some of that work feeds back into debian that'd be great15:54
GeneralAntillesMore hardware for the platform means more users and more developers means more for me. :D15:54
alteregoGeneralAntilles, selfish pig :P15:54
GeneralAntillesWhat's the timeframe on Ubuntu Mobile?15:54
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GeneralAntillesHehe, why else do you think I try and sell as many of these things as possible?15:55
crashanddieselfish cover, but pretty community driven if you ask me15:55
alteregoGeneralAntilles, infinity the way they're going :P15:55
johnxthere IRC channel looks kind of slow :/15:55
johnxevery so often someone drops by says "how can I help?" and doesn't get a response15:55
GeneralAntillesOr helping out new users15:55
GeneralAntillesIt's all rational self-interest!15:55
crashanddiejohnx: yeah, that's called a frankenstein project...15:56
crashanddieevery 2 months someone will yell "IT'S ALIVE"15:56
crashanddiebut eventually, it'll get burned down to earth15:56
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johnxcrashanddie, I thought you meant my idea of "frankensteining" random parts of distros togehter :)15:56
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alteregoI think with the EeePC ubuntu mobile will become more active ..16:00
alteregoBut they've had ample time to hammer something onto the 770 and haven't ..16:00
johnxwell, ubuntu doesn't really have an arm/armel port at all16:00
johnxtheir mobile efforts are aimed at intel x8616:01
johnxthey even dropped ppc16:01
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johnxeither way, it really hurts to see debian and ubuntu diverging so much. Debian ending up with a great armel port and ubuntu ending up with a mobile UI project16:02
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Jondebian does have a great armel port, but there's also the distinct emdebian, so it isn't fully integrated into the main OS yet16:02
pupnik_i blame ubuntu16:02
pupnik_well.. mostly16:02
JonI know what you mean johnx, I tend to think of "ubuntu mobile" as being in no way related to ubuntu, really, perhaps treating it like any piece of upstream software from Debian's POV. But "ubuntu" in the title gets it media attention etc.16:03
johnxJon, is the current armel/eabi port on connected to the emdebian stuff?16:03
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johnxI thought the current armel stuff was "just a normal port" and the emdebian stuff was ongoing in some other direction?16:04
* johnx might be really confused16:04
Jonah well; armel is yes, just an ABI-different build of debian. emdebian is different16:04
Jonbut I mean, emdebian makes changes to make debian better for embedded environments that it couldn't do in the main distribution; e.g. remove perl from essential, change sh -> dash or !bash, etc.16:04
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johnxok, I think I understand16:05
johnxrandom interjection: is there some alternate place where nokia might have package sources? besides
johnxI have bluez-utils 3.22 on my N800 but the latest I can find the package source (or a package at al!) for is 3.2016:07
johnxmaybe this is something to ask on the mailing list ...16:07
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alteregoMaybe it's just a patch ..16:09
johnxI'm missing a deb-src line16:10
johnxthey sure like having as many repositories as possible O_o16:10
johnxI mean repositories are pretty great but there is such as thing as "too much of a good thing"16:10
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alteregoYeah, shame they're not mirrors for redundancy :P16:11
johnxoh, they're all on the same machine16:11
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Jonyeah, nearly every 3rd party app I install needs yet another repo. nokia,maemo, modest, etc.16:12
BuSyAnToSanyone from maemo project here?16:13
johnxJon, well, hopefully Jaffa's RFC will make some headway16:13
keesjI missed the subject of this frankenstein story , what are you all talking about?16:13
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keesjjohnx: I think Jaffa's RFC stands the same chance as the other initiatives.16:14
BuSyAnToSi have a problem with my discount code who can i contact please?16:15
johnxkeesj, the frankenstein thing was used to describe ubuntu mobile (as in, it's kinda lurching around, not really getting anywhere) and also my idea to "frankenstein" maemo/hildon onto debian/armel16:15
keesjit the turn of nokia to move (they must say we need 5 people outside of nokia (or not with the nokia hat one) to decide how to setup the repo)16:16
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keesjjohnx: I did not really get it. apparently its the hildong thing that is supposed to be moving i guess.16:16
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johnxkeesj, well, there's not much to get. I'm just playing around at this point.16:17
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matmohi all. How to install OpenSSH on 2007HE (2.2006.48-7)? I keep getting broken install.16:39
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Spakmanalterego: I see maemo.rubyx is back up (cool). Although it seems only version 0.3 of the bindings is available.16:49
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dhdlardman: ping17:34
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slapinhi, all! Is it possible to get source code for touchscreen calibration utility from maemo3.x times?17:36
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dhd|pongslapin: there's a calibration utility in tslib, it's probably not the same one though17:39
slapindhd|pong, well, it is removed by packaging stuff.17:40
slapindhd|pong, and I was not able to make it work either.17:40
dhd|pongnick dhd17:41
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dhdhmm.  I haven't actually tried it myself17:41
dhdI think it wants direct framebuffer access17:41
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slapindhd, actually I need touchscreen calibrator compatible with maemo 3.x X server17:42
slapindhd, IIRC there was some tool in control panel for that, no?17:42
slapinsince current libxcalibrate and others require new X server to work17:43
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dhdohhh yeah I remember there being one17:44
dhdI also remember it not really workign for me :)17:44
dhdsorry I'm probably no help here17:44
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rene4jazzdoes anyone has tried Canola2 on OS 2007 HE?17:53
rene4jazzCanola2 := Canola2 Beta17:53
tableteerrene4jazz doesn't work yet on OS 2007 HE.17:54
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waiteDont want to start fud here, but does anyone know what happenned to Quim? I realized this weekend we have not heard from him in the Dec/Jan timeframe.17:59
pupnik_he did post to his blog18:00
tableteerHe sent some mail today.18:00
tableteerBack from vacation, cleaning up the mess... ;-)18:00
waitehhee Poor Quim.18:01
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tableteer"Back from holidays. I was more or less aware of the issues (thanks to18:01
tableteerpeople posting here and there, also in my blog) but without any18:01
tableteerpossibility to do much."18:01
waite\Not read it. He must have posted after my gmail synced18:02
tableteerBut he tries to help... ;-)18:02
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waiteI can't say enough good things about Quim.18:03
rene4jazzoh, ok18:03
waiteSkin of flame retarndant leather and heart of gold18:03
rene4jazztableteer: any timeframe to port to OS 2007 HE?18:03
tableteerrene4jazz: None seen yet. I expect something to happen after the first official release.18:04
pupnik_any pygame / python friends here want a nice classic game remake to port?18:04
tableteerrene4jazz: In their list of supported platforms they wrote "coming soon".18:05
tableteer"in Q1 2008 there will be a release of the final version of Canola2"18:06
tableteersee also
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zorananyone using ezimail?18:16
zoranor some other console mail client aside mutt18:16
zoranfor imap18:16
johnxfor some reason I remember alpine being available18:17
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zoranlike pine/18:17
jottgood ol'e pine finally revived ;)18:17
zoranI reacall pine as not suiting to me as mutt18:17
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johnxAnyone here interested in a2dp?18:31
johnxI've hacked together a .deb that turns on a2dp support for mplayer/kagu18:32
johnxI'd appreciate it if anyone was willing to test it and tell me whether it works ok18:32
pupnik_<- 7 euro sony headphones18:33
niteOwljohnx: a2dp is bluetooth audio right? My car has BT to talk to my cellphone - I wonder if I could use a2dp to play music in the car?18:33
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johnxpupnik_, bluetooth headphones for that cheap? or just wired?18:34
pupnik_that would be cool!18:34
mgedminthere are two protocols for bluetooth audio; cellphone headsets usually use sco (8-bit mono) and not a2dp (16-bit stereo).  iirc18:34
johnxniteOwl, hmm...probably not. Your car probably only supports the "Headset Protocol" HSP18:34
rene4jazzafter a few weeks of use I feel that the OS 2007 HE is not well designed for such a constrained device... just after booting it eats half or more of available ram memory.18:34
mgedminhsp is probably more accurate than sco18:34
mgedminsco is the underlying protocol18:34
pupnik_rene4jazz: is it more than OS2006?18:34
niteOwlmgedmin, johnx: oh well18:35
|tbb|niteOwl im looking forward to a2dp 2 caraudio ;)18:35
johnxso, no one wants to be a guinea pig ... I mean beta tester?18:35
niteOwltbbj: I think it should be cool too18:36
johnxah well, I'll just put it up on itt untested. Should be lots of fun. :D18:36
|tbb|but first of all i would be happy about native a2dp support on os200818:36
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mgedminjohnx: I wouldn't mind being a guinea pig, of someone supplied the hardware ;)18:38
johnxheh...well if I had another N8x0 and another pair of bluetooth headphones to test it I wouldn't have to get other beta testers :P18:39
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rene4jazzI don't remember well but I think that 2006 is to heavy too (maybe I'll reflash my n770 with OS 2006 to be sure)18:40
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lardmandhd|gone: sorry I missed you, was in a meeting18:42
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tekonivelI have some good ideas19:07
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johnxtekonivel, Would you like to share them? :)19:08
tekonivelI'd love an rss-reader, that would show a slideshow of items19:08
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tekonivelThud we could have our IT as a flickr pictoframe or as a newsbulletin machine19:09
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tekonivelFirst i was thinking about the photo-frame idea for quiver, and then realized that some sort of rss engine would be useful... But why not a more generic application19:12
tekonivelIn reality i would prefer to watch all sorts of images all from the same proggie whether they are stored locally, on bluetooth devices or over the net19:13
czrI was thinking of a photoframe some time ago too19:13
czralthough it would be nice to have remote control of it (over the network) as well19:14
fysaCanola2 does that.19:14
fysaphotocasting with flickr/picasa feeds.19:15
tekonivelczr: yeah, i'm sure several people have envisioned smth similar19:15
fysausing it now..19:15
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tekonivelfysa: srsly?19:15
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fysayeah, long-term we are going to tag our photos according to the room we went to show them in19:15
tekonivelfysa: can it browse files over BT too?19:16
tekonivelfysa: wicked19:16
tekonivelI want canola, now!19:16
fysai.e., 'frontroomphotos' tag -- subscribe to that tag's RSS19:16
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fysathen we can use flickr to manage where photos are shown..19:16
fysaphotos over bluetooth?19:16
fysalike, from a camera?19:17
fysathat should work, but bluetooth file sending is a push deal19:17
fysanot pull..19:17
fysaso you'd have to send from the camera/cell to the IT device I believe19:17
glassyou can obexftp browse some phones19:17
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fysaI nfs mount my fileserver's photo dir..19:17
tekonivelToo bad it's not Gnu gpl (i'm awfully stallmannian)19:17
johnxThere are a couple wifi cameras IIRC19:17
skiburI'm back at TAMUK19:18
johnxI have no idea how they accomplish file transfer though19:18
tekonivelOnly today i installed mediabox19:18
fysacould care less about a license, if someone puts the effort/time into creating something truly useful, they deserve that consideration19:18
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tekonivelHmm, i don't want a local copy of files over Bt...19:19
tekonivelfysa: i care a lot about licenses, but that's an another story19:20
fysaI care when I need to make a change that should be allowed distribution to someone else's code that would have otherwise died an unmaintained death.19:21
tekonivelI can browse files over Bt in some applications, like the bundled file manager... I'd love to have a slideshow of piccies on my cameraphone19:21
tekonivelI'll give canola a shot, definetely19:21
tekonivelLike, now19:22
tekonivelfysa: thanks for the tip, m819:23
fysanp, still in beta and some features are missing but already very promising.19:23
fysagotta run19:23
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tekonivelProggies that are not beta are dead19:24
tekonivela lot of ppl canola even before 2.0B, i gave it a shot too but it was a bit amnoying somehow19:25
tekonivelYeah, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Gnu gpl19:27
tekonivelI love copyleft19:27
k-s[WORK]tekonivel: I love it too19:28
k-s[WORK]or WE love it too19:28
k-s[WORK]but, we were not able to decide this19:28
k-s[WORK]at least the product is good19:28
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tekonivelYeah, you can liberate it later ;)19:30
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tekonivelk-s[WORK]: i hear a lot of good about canola, on Ittf19:31
johnxquick question: Does canola use osso-player for media playback or mplayer?19:33
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kulvejohnx: I think it uses gst directly19:35
tekonivelThe mailcap-idea hasn't caught on Ot, now has it19:35
infobottekonivel meant: The mailcap-idea hasn't caught on IT, now has it19:36
tekonivelinfobot: thanks, thats a useful feature of you... Not everybody knows all the dialecs of Irc-speak :)19:37
infobottekonivel: bitte19:37
tekonivelinfobot: do you know Eliza?19:38
infobotyes, I know Eliza.19:38
tekonivelI hoped it had said "what makes you think do i know Eliza?"19:39
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|tbb|how can i found out the wlan adapter is online but in powersafe mode if something like this is available?19:49
henriqueis there a default voip client available with N810?19:51
johnxhenrique, yes. It comes with SIP by default I think19:52
pupnik_johnx ...
henriquejohnx, and it is a client using telepathy?19:53
johnxhenrique, I do not know19:53
johnxpupnik_, that looks great :D19:53
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dhd|gonehenrique: yes20:00
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tekonivelGreat, now i've got a photocast of fixed gear bikes on my desk, thanks canola!!20:03
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tekonivelAlso it's a good option of the OS to not sleep tjen AC is connected20:03
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henriquedhd, is it closed ?20:08
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tekonivelI'm sure in a future version of canola the photocasts loop and autoscale the pics. This is great20:11
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bedboiguys what's used by the gps driver?20:15
bedboi*what's the device20:15
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johnxbedboi, is it /dev/pgps?20:19
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bedboifor some reason when i use navit gpsd takes 100% cpu20:22
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johnxalright, a2dp-support .deb is up here:
johnxpeople have 6 minutes to ask questions before I go to bed20:23
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johnxAlright. I need sleep now20:27
johnx'night all20:27
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b0unc3mmm... gronmayer seems to be down..20:56
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fugitivois the RSS home applet opensource?21:07
omargronmayer is down?21:08
omarnm, now its working ;)21:09
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omarif i wanted to downgrade my n800 from 08 to 07, will i have any problems?21:09
lophyteif you're flashing, no21:09
omardo i need to use the flasher app, or can i use the nokia windows utility21:10
lophyteI don't know.. never used the nokia windows utility21:10
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lcukgood evening chaps21:22
* lcuk now has usb working on 810 :)21:23
* lcuk is happy21:23
lophytedoes usb hostmode still work on os2008 on an n800?21:23
lcukit should do21:24
lophyteI never tried to do it with os2007 but I recently updated to 200821:24
lophyteit'd be fun to plug in a usb keyboard or something21:24
lcukon the 810 ive managed it without a cable mod (apart from doctoring a standard large female-female connector21:24
lophyteI was just going to use a powered usb hub21:25
lcukim using the original nokia firmware update cable because nowhere seems to have the mini plugs on the shelf21:25
lophyteso you just hacked together a female-female connector21:25
lcukthere is a root mode shell command needed but its all roses after that21:26
lophytenice.. I'll have to try it when I get home tonight21:26
lcukyer - i took a pair from an old pci facia with motherboard plugs21:26
lcukit works through a hub as well21:26
lcukshell command is:21:27
lcukecho host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode21:27
lcuksearch google with this as well to find out the other params and modes you may need21:27
lophyteah, I see it21:28
lophytenice... thanks21:28
lcuknp :) im just happy to finally have a tab key!21:28
lophytenow I need to find a mini keyboard, lol21:28
lcukbluetooth will be better in the long run, but for now this will do21:28
lcuki cannot use this without Having the kickstand on 810 out21:29
* lcuk ponders taking it off21:30
lophyteits too bad i don't have a female-female connector here at work.. I have my nokia usb cable and some keyboards... but no adapter21:30
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ds3hmmmm SIGINT handler failed :(21:37
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lcuknow, apart from the crows nest of wires i can see if i will be comfortable with coding directly on the device21:43
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thopieka1hi @ all22:01
thopieka1when comes the new os out??22:01
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Veggenuh? which one?22:01
VeggenI haven't heard any more about new OSes.22:01
lophyteOS2008 is already out, thoenig22:02
lophyteer, thopieka122:02
thopieka154.4 is out now right??22:02
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thopieka1when comes a new one??22:03
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ds3what's a good mail program that integrates well with the rest of maemo?22:03
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thopieka1maemo's e-mail progg22:04
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ds3that one seems to have an annoying bug of not showing message that are not fully HTML (Mime header w/ only a text/plain section)22:05
ds3i like my mailers to show me everything22:05
thopieka1try ...22:06
thopieka1try claws-mail22:06
thopieka1it should be in the maemo extras repo22:06
ds3looking at the pages for it, can't figure out what level of integration22:06
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BuSyAnToSi have a problem with my discount code who can i contact please?22:27
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fugitivowelcome to the club22:29
* lcuk wishes he knew about discount codes before paying full price22:30
derflcuk: No. You don't.22:31
lcuki gatherf i wouldnt have it yet22:31
dhdhow much was the discount anyway?22:31
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dhdactually, more importantly, has anyone used a solar charger with their tablet?  I'm looking around for one22:32
* dhd wants to take his N810 and N75 on bike tours22:32
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jeff1fthere was an itt thread22:34
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darxhi is there a version of skype for maemo that does video?22:37
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jeff1fgizmo project apparently does22:38
jeff1fHave not tried it though22:38
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ds3dhd: what area (geographically) and what time of the year are you considering it?22:40
dhdmidwest, spring22:40
dhdmidwest USA taht is22:41
ds3dhd: fwiw, I tried it during a train trip and the results were disappointing but that was in Nov22:41
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ds3the one I used looked like the SC002 on that solarstyle page22:41
dhdds3: hmm22:41
darxjefflf: thanks22:41
ds3dhd: other thing to watch out for is the Nokia _NEEDS_ 5.5V to charge. It does not like 5V chargers22:42
ds3dhd: I plan to try it again in the spring preferablly out doors instead of through a train window22:42
Juhaznot true22:42
dhdyeah the train windows actually block a surprising amount of light22:42
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ds3dhd: this is the one I used -
dhdthat's one hell of a URL, but it worked :)22:43
ds3cleaner link, sorry about that22:43
ds3what I found really useful is the Energerizer Energi-to-go brick (4AA's)22:43
dhdhmm, that one is cheaper, the claimed charging time in the sun is about twice as long as the solarstyle one22:43
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ds3dhd: you plan to do WiFi for comm. or Bt to a phone?22:44
dhdnope but I was hoping to use the GPS22:44
dhdand occasionally bluetooth to a phone22:44
ds3as a tracker I assume?22:44
ds3my biggest problem on the train was keeping the phone powered (probally crappy 2 year old batteries)22:45
ds3I'd point you to my rants on it except it is located on a private server at the moment22:45
dhdI do wonder how much CPU time and power maemo-mapper or the Nokia map application uses when tracking via GPS22:46
dhdI guess it depends on whether auto-center is turned on22:46
dhdobviously on a bike, voice-directed navigation isn't very useful :)22:47
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dhdbut I'd like to be able to use it over a 6-hour ride or so22:47
ds3Based on some crude experiments, don't use the built in Map app.22:47
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ds3Maemo mapper actually seems decent power wise22:47
ds3the built in Map app drains the batteries faster then the car fuel gage :(22:48
lcuk3d view or normal? and with wifi on as well?22:49
* dhd wonders what a good phone is that does EDGE and Bluetooth and has good battery life22:49
* dhd notes that N-series phones do not have good battery life :(22:49
ds3lcuk: normal, bluetooth network connection22:49
fugitivodhd: for example?22:49
ds3old Treos aren't doing too well in the battery dept either22:49
lcukcrikey this seems ok battery wise but no bt - 81022:50
timelyds3: try tinymail22:50
fugitivoi have a nokia 8801, that's a battery killer :)22:50
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ds3timely: I will look into that22:50
ds3best I get food, it is almost 122:50
tekonivelAnybody here active on Tablettalk? Is there a forum or thread where ppl introduce themselves22:51
hachiholy crap, whoever told me the builtin mail client on maemo is bad, was right22:51
hachiasking me every time I delete an IMAP email whether I want to delete it on the server22:51
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tekonivelI cannot find one :/22:51
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dhdfugitivo: N75 ... barely lasts a day on a charge, of course if AT&T allowed you to switch it to GSM it would be a lot better22:52
dhdtime to unlock it22:52
fugitivoi'm looking for a phone with good battery life22:53
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fugitivoI'm tired of my 8801, it needs to be on the charging base all day long22:53
pupnik810Pidgin is not very good for irc22:55
dhdthis solar charger looks great, but where the heck to you buy it ...
fugitivopupnik810: why?22:55
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fugitivodhd: really nice22:56
dhdoh, here it is ...
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fugitivodhd: $90 is a good price22:58
dhdthe question is, is it compatible22:59
fugitivoyou try first :)22:59
fugitivoNokia 77022:59
fugitivocheck that page22:59
dhdoh there it is...22:59
fugitivoi think i'm going to buy one22:59
fugitivoit comes with 7 adapter tips23:00
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omari think im goign to get one too23:00
dhdthe only drawback is that it doesn't have a battery inside like the solarstyle one23:02
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fugitivodhd: so no sun no power?23:03
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dhdyeah, it's strictly a charger, although it looks like it would probably do a good job keeping your battery topped up with enough light23:04
fugitivodoes it have limited life?23:04
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* Jaffa wonders to spend time now working out if Mikhail Sobolev's "extras promotion interface" blows the need for his RFC out of the water.23:20
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Jaffagiven it's not clear which column is which, I'm struggling to make head or tails of it. So may retire and have a nice cup of tea and a sit down.23:21
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MoRpHeUzJaffa: what is this "interface" stuff about ? I just lost some mail =/23:23
JaffaMoRpHeUz: see most recent maemo-developers post23:24
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ds3Did I miss something during initial setup or does the device never actually ask what your home city is during initial setup?23:46
pupnik810why is there a huge bar at the bottom of xterm on os2008.. *ontaining the letters abc23:46
pupnik810massive waste of screen23:47
GeneralAntillesYou put buttons there.23:47
GeneralAntillesButtons and shortcuts.23:48
lcukpup, its from the 81023:48
GeneralAntillesOh, that.23:48
pupnik810ok the abc is related to hildon input23:48
GeneralAntillesThe autocomplete for the N810.23:48
lcukyou disable it in control pane'23:48
tekonivelI preferref them on the side23:48
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GeneralAntillesI preferred them when they didn't suck.23:49
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lcukdo you use osk?23:49
lcukon screen keyboard23:49
ds3OSK is also a development board for OMAPs23:49
lcukgen - i got host mode working with nokia cable and my female-female dongle23:50
GeneralAntillesNice work.23:50
lcukbut now its stopped again :(23:50
GeneralAntillesBeat it with a stick.23:50
tekonivelI do use Oak23:50
lcukthere is a shell cmd to force host23:51
lcuki was thinking of that23:51
lcuki will redo it later and get reproducable results23:51
maddlerpupnik_: that "abc" bar comes out whenever you are using keyboard23:51
maddlerpupnik_: btw... I agree... waste of space...23:52
* lcuk will use the hub he bought23:52
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ds3lcuk, someguy posted a bunch of scripts to do it from a menu selection23:52
tekonivelmaddler: great for emacs users23:52
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lcukmaddler / pup you get rid with control panel text input and the language tab settings23:52
maddlerlemme see...23:53
tekonivelI wish pressing ctrl would conjure osk directly23:53
maddlertekonivel: I'm not talking about xterm shortcuts... ;)23:53
tekonivelOnscreen ctrl i mean23:53
lcukds3 i saw them but its just flaked out on me - i got comfy closed the shell sat down pressed a key and it was gone23:53
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tekonivelmaddler: i am :^)23:54
lcukwas looking positively promising23:54
inzHmm, would ultrastar work on the tablets ;)23:54
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lcuk_2thats better23:54
* lcuk_2 stretches his fingers23:54
maddlertekonivel: hehehe... shortcuts are great with Screen as well :D23:54
GeneralAntilleslcuk, not enough power?23:54
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maddlerlcuk: it works! thx!23:55
lcuk_2there was at first im not sure though23:55
lcuk_2ive got a powered hub so i will test later23:55
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defishguyhi all.  maemo extras fails for me with a 401 Unauthorized when I attempt to use the repo.   All of the other repos work fine.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I'm running chinook.23:55
tekonivelmaddler: yup, maybe therecould be sets of them23:55
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maddlertekonivel: yes, sets could help... emacs... screen... irssi...23:57
hachiis there a way to get modest to use a smaller font?23:57
GeneralAntillesI like the sets idea. -> bugs.maemo.org23:57
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maddlerhachi: nope... not yet at least...23:58
maddlerGeneralAntilles: :)23:58
tekonivelGeneralAntilles: while at it, maybe option to have/them by the side plskthx23:58
GeneralAntilles-> bugs.maemo.org23:59
GeneralAntillesI'd do two enhancement requests23:59
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