| GeneralAntilles | It's an issue with the LCD controller, I think, actually. | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | if i can shave anything off so its just a blit rather than rendering a whole page of text it might be worth it | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | i like the cleanliness of the font and wouldnt go back down in res now | 00:01 |
| derf | Oh, good, the N810 is out of stock in the US store again, without the codes ever actually working. | 00:01 |
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| Blafasel | derf: Wasn't me. ;) | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Using "Sans", lcuk? | 00:02 |
| lcuk | dunno lol - i just looked through them all till i found one that made me comfortable ill check | 00:02 |
| lcuk | yer... | 00:03 |
| lcuk | size 20 | 00:03 |
| lcuk | bold | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm 14 | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bold? | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Might try it | 00:03 |
| lcuk | easy on my eyes and like i said its about the same amount of text as i got on my old device | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I set up the d-pad to change text-size for when I'm feeling blind. | 00:03 |
| lcuk | black paper white text... | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course. | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | The other thing about your old device, it probably had, what, a third of the pixels to render? :P | 00:04 |
| lcuk | i was on mornal white on the old device because black was this bright grey | 00:04 |
| |tbb| | generalantilles, could you tell me what were possible with powervr enabled device, is there a device out there with this enabled | 00:04 |
| lcuk | yer i realise that (and it was less than 25%) | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | High-end N95-series phones | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | search "PowerVR" on youtube for some examples | 00:05 |
| glass | n95 and e90 | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/N95/N/ | 00:05 |
| glass | also n93i | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's pretty impressive | 00:06 |
| lcuk | tbb - the powervr has an internal block of memory for its framebuffer which i believe cannot hold an 800*480 screen which we need which is why it was not used, but thats just off all the speculation i have read | 00:06 |
| glass | of those e90 has highest res | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | A similarly outfitted Dell Axim did Q3 at 640x480 at about 20-25fps | 00:06 |
| glass | e90 has 800x352 inside screen res iirc | 00:06 |
| lcuk | ooooh | 00:06 |
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| * lcuk hopes hes wrong | 00:06 | |
| |tbb| | damn, if n95 does why not n810 grrr | 00:06 |
| lcuk | ^ me i mean not you glass | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I agree with that estimation, lcuk. | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | If it's larger than the built-in LCD controller . . . | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | good news is that the OMAP3430 is going to be shit-hot. :D | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | |tbb|, screen resolution | 00:07 |
| lcuk | ant - it might not be a bad thing if we can blast it with 400*240 and copy to the 8x0 LCD framebuffer | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | N95 uses the built-in LCD controller on the chip | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | we use a 3rd party controller because the built-in one is only VGA | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, lcuk, pixel doubling would be fine with me. | 00:07 |
| lcuk | for games at least | 00:07 |
| |tbb| | okay, so no hope then | 00:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Send your proposal to Nokia management. :P | 00:08 |
| lcuk | if we can get the vectors into it and build a frame out of it quickly the slowdown by copying back to the framebuffer should still be better than all software 3d rendering | 00:08 |
| lcuk | i keep going back and looking | 00:08 |
| lcuk | i know the framebuffer code in the older linux drivers wont work because thats for the older physical graphics cards | 00:09 |
| lcuk | we need the blob from an actual 2420 implimentation and see what its doing | 00:09 |
| lcuk | even if we just get a penguin its a start | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 00:10 |
| lcuk | all graphics cards need a Set Mode, set scene, send data, refresh. those are SIMPLE operations and if we can coax those out of some other implimentation we can work on the rest and get a proper framebuffer working | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman is probably the guy to collaborate once he gets done with his badass DSP hacking. | 00:10 |
| lcuk | yer ive read back in the logs and on ITT and his name has come up an awful lot | 00:11 |
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| * lcuk is very interested in following this up | 00:11 | |
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| lcuk | it frustrates me to have the hardware and noway to use it | 00:12 |
| |tbb| | lcuk, thats what me frustrating to. i would feel better if i dont know about this | 00:14 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:14 |
| lcuk | we will get there soon | 00:14 |
| |tbb| | from a scale 1-10 of hope, where you are | 00:15 |
| lcuk | in a way i feel the same way that people with other devices do. take the nintendo DS. there is now linux running on there after some hacking and building a framebuffer etc on it | 00:15 |
| lcuk | -20 | 00:15 |
| |tbb| | hehe | 00:16 |
| lcuk | its all pie in the sky until we have some actual verifyable code running on a 2420 | 00:16 |
| Tak | what's the word, gentlemen? | 00:16 |
| |tbb| | that give me hope | 00:16 |
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| lcuk | there is a 2420 development board from ti which membership costs about $4000 im wondering if the source you get with that gives full access to the entire thing | 00:17 |
| giskard | hey guys there is something like internet table video convferter for linux? | 00:17 |
| giskard | http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/videoconverter | 00:17 |
| Jaffa | giskard: <plug> http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html </plug> | 00:17 |
| giskard | Jaffa, thank you | 00:17 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, theres no point in drooling over future hardware when you have a decent device in front of you today | 00:18 |
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| |tbb| | nokia should pay some of you for the membership | 00:19 |
| lcuk | they are already members | 00:20 |
| lcuk | they have the devices they have the code | 00:20 |
| lcuk | but i think for the res of the 8x0 we cannot use it | 00:20 |
| lcuk | but if we could render a scene in its internal memory (just at a lower more managable res) then copy to the 8x0 LCD framebuffer (which is outside the 2420 chip) we would be onto a winner | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bull | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have money and I want moar power! :P | 00:21 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:21 |
| lcuk | then buy your own now - have a whole dev board in your pocket :P | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 00:21 |
| lcuk | does anyone have proper technical details of the 8x0? | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900, N900 . . . mmm. | 00:22 |
| Blafasel | Hmm.. I'm only an app dev, nothing as low level as that. I do hope that I can bring some stuff to the 810 anyway, though | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | What sort of technical details | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 00:22 |
| lcuk | which framebuffer does it use etc how is it connected to the 2420 - can the 2420 output graphics data directly to the lcd framebuffer or is it out of sequence | 00:22 |
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| lcuk | Blafasel, same here but if needs must I will get my hands greasy and work on the engine | 00:23 |
| wumpus | lcuk: it can't access the framebuffer directly | 00:23 |
| wumpus | it goes through a serial interface | 00:24 |
| wumpus | an ackwardly slow serial link even | 00:24 |
| lcuk | my boss always says "if you cannot find a solution now do not fret, we will have a discussion later and something will pop up" | 00:24 |
| lcuk | ouch @ serial | 00:24 |
| lcuk | it cant be that slow because you can decode video and send it to it at 25+ fps | 00:25 |
| wumpus | only with frame doubling | 00:26 |
| lcuk | thats fine, for games i dont mind 400*240 | 00:26 |
| wumpus | the source file is in the linux kernel and should be called blizzard.c or so | 00:26 |
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| lcuk | ithanks ill take a look | 00:26 |
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| wumpus | yes, for a lot of things it's fast enough | 00:26 |
| wumpus | just not as flashy as it could be :) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | i was reading up a discussion where the mplayer guy was going over some optimisations here | 00:26 |
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| lcuk | the lcd controller itself doesn't have actual hardware doubling any more does it (i know the 770 did) | 00:28 |
| wumpus | eh, it should | 00:29 |
| Tak | hardware doubling still works | 00:29 |
| Jaffa | ISTR it having arbitrary scaling, rather than just doubling | 00:29 |
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| wumpus | if it wouldn't have hardware scaling then it would be a lot slower | 00:30 |
| lcuk | i am sure this was not doing its job so mplayer guy optimised the kernel driver to do doubling faster | 00:30 |
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| wumpus | well it's the transfer to the controller that's slow, the more data you send the slower | 00:30 |
| lcuk | yer i know that and they send only 12 bit now because thats all it can handle | 00:31 |
| wumpus | of course the video itself needs a lot of optimization too, most multimedia devices (like the arcos) actually have two arm + dsp | 00:31 |
| wumpus | then again that might be besides the point of the device, it's a web tablet :) | 00:32 |
| lcuk | ive found the thread ill just take a quick re-read back over it (its a long one...) | 00:33 |
| lcuk | sorry this is link, google gives it as printable so cancel printer.. | 00:33 |
| lcuk | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view_printable;post=19711;list=maemo | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | im sure all this information is filling my brain with so much crap its pushing out the good stuff | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't work like that. :P | 01:01 |
| lcuk | but what will i do if i cannot remember the 68k assembler instructions for making fractals on my amiga? | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fail . . . | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | miserably. | 01:02 |
| lcuk | oh poo | 01:02 |
| lcuk | it will all go in slowly and a solution will emerge :) | 01:02 |
| |tbb| | for what the heck is metalyer-crawler it eats the cpu permanent over 90 percent about half an hour | 01:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's the crawler for Media player | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | you have any looping symlinks? | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corrupt filesystems? | 01:03 |
| lcuk | or just lots of pr0n ;) | 01:03 |
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| * lcuk lets his mind wander a bit more | 01:04 | |
| lcuk | youtube/flash playback in general | 01:04 |
| pupnik | oh btw, the xaos fractal browser almost works on the tablet | 01:04 |
| lcuk | almost? | 01:04 |
| pupnik | needs some alignment or endianness fixes | 01:04 |
| |tbb| | hmh i got a symlink under user called main link to / | 01:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Might do it, |tbb|. | 01:05 |
| lcuk | there was a thread about this symlink problem as well but im goin havin a bath in a minute so someone else can find it :P | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | bugs.maemo.org | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | before my bath tho there is one thing i'll throw out.. | 01:06 |
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| |tbb| | so i should remove that link? | 01:06 |
| lcuk | flash playback is driven by a plugin. if we wrote a new plugin to handle flash and if it needs a movie auto save and forward to mplayer, and if its a normal flash let the default plugin handle it would this be possible? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | i dunno tbb but i didnt do it cos i read it was causing problems | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, lcuk. | 01:08 |
| lcuk | cos for flash in general i want/need the flashblock capabilities (click to play) | 01:08 |
| lcuk | i helped sort out flashblock on firefox back when flash 8 came out cos it was broken | 01:09 |
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| lcuk | but this needs more - i know the actual flash plugin is a compiled module and i havent even started native compilation yet | 01:09 |
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| lcuk | having flash on tap-to-play would be beneficial as the cpu wouldn't be tied up playing whilst scrolling for most things | 01:10 |
| * lcuk thinks he needs to take a chill pill really but theres just so much work to do to make this tablet really really really nice | 01:11 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Then get to work, you lazy bum! :P | 01:11 |
| lcuk | lol i havent stopped since i got it - much to the chargrin of the missus | 01:12 |
| lcuk | tho she keeps nicking it to play games on it so it works to some level | 01:12 |
| |tbb| | problem solved :( | 01:12 |
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| pupnik | Like a cat hogging your keyboard? | 01:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn keyboard-cats. | 01:13 |
| lcuk | lol dont let outs up here :P | 01:14 |
| lcuk | ours ^ | 01:14 |
| lcuk | anyway speak of the devil im offski | 01:14 |
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| * czr is slightly tired and read that as "speak as the devil lokki" | 02:35 | |
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| HardandFast | #join n800 | 02:41 |
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| alterego | czr, did you ever witness a full maemo rootstrap build? | 02:43 |
| alterego | Sorry, rootfs build .. | 02:43 |
| alterego | I'm thinking of making maemo development images for my N800 | 02:43 |
| czr | alterego, nope | 02:43 |
| alterego | So, no hints or pointers? | 02:44 |
| alterego | I'm thinking of maybe building on top of an official root image. | 02:44 |
| alterego | Updating packages one by one and fixing breaks. ^_^ | 02:44 |
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| alterego | Heh, my N810 is called "proteus" .. | 02:45 |
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| proteous | my name is much more phonetic :) | 02:46 |
| petergunn | mine is called Joshua | 02:46 |
| proteous | well, depending on how you say it I guess | 02:46 |
| alterego | Well, I named it after one of Neptune's moons .. | 02:47 |
| alterego | Which is spelt "Proteus" :P | 02:47 |
| proteous | I just wanted a nick that wasn't always taken :P | 02:48 |
| alterego | You should register a nick. | 02:48 |
| alterego | If someone steals my nick, I can reclaim it. | 02:48 |
| alterego | Which happens quite frequently ^_^ | 02:48 |
| proteous | :P | 02:48 |
| proteous | I don't have that problem due to my "creative" spelling skilz | 02:48 |
| alterego | Which means you can't do things like private message :P | 02:49 |
| alterego | Or talk in certain channels .. | 02:49 |
| proteous | I belive I do have this nick registered | 02:50 |
| proteous | I just dont' have it set up to auto identify when I connect to the server | 02:50 |
| proteous | wonder what I set the password to | 02:50 |
| proteous | heh | 02:50 |
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| proteous | there, happy now :) | 02:53 |
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| alterego | :P | 02:55 |
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| proteous | heh | 03:08 |
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| alterego | Awesome, SDK is setup like a charm. | 03:24 |
| alterego | Tomorrow I can get back into ruby-maemo development :) | 03:25 |
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| czr | alterego, whee. and then finally I'll get my TODO-application? ;-) | 03:27 |
| alterego | :) | 03:27 |
| alterego | I gave up after hearing about pimoloci | 03:28 |
| alterego | Or whatever it's called. | 03:28 |
| czr | it sounds evil at least | 03:28 |
| czr | what is it? | 03:28 |
| czr | "your children will all be eaten by pimoloci" | 03:28 |
| alterego | It's a PIM suite for Linux based "PDA's" ;) | 03:28 |
| alterego | Heh | 03:28 |
| czr | err. right :-) | 03:28 |
| Robot101 | pimlico | 03:28 |
| czr | I think it's devil's spawn | 03:28 |
| alterego | That's the chesnut | 03:28 |
| czr | PIM or no PIM! | 03:28 |
| alterego | What's wrong with "Notes" ? :P | 03:29 |
| czr | Robot101, you used it? | 03:29 |
| Robot101 | no, but it's a place in london... a simple pun. | 03:29 |
| czr | ah. that explains it. sounded somewhat familiar. could I've seen it on a map / underground thingy? | 03:29 |
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| czr | nm though :-) | 03:30 |
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| alterego | I can also compile the driver for a USB wireless dongle I have. | 03:36 |
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| alterego | czr, played with sbox2 yet? | 03:37 |
| czr | alterego, haven't touched maemo/sbox yet ;-) | 03:37 |
| czr | enjoying my post-vacation flu way too much | 03:37 |
| Sho_ | Hm, am I having it right that the file manager in IT2008 does Samba, but no auth? | 03:37 |
| alterego | Heh | 03:37 |
| czr | alterego, have been working on a brainless project | 03:37 |
| czr | alterego, tools for do batch mp3 retagging | 03:38 |
| alterego | Nice. | 03:38 |
| alterego | Well, BORING! :P | 03:38 |
| czr | alterego, true. but brainless enough :-) | 03:38 |
| czr | can't be bothered doing anything interesting while having headaches | 03:38 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's good to do those kinds of projects just to get by ;) | 03:39 |
| czr | besides, I didn't code for the whole vacation.. | 03:39 |
| czr | I need something gradual to get me back into the mood. and I dropped drinking coffee too. which has been really interesting. | 03:39 |
| alterego | It's like, currently I'm writing some scripts to manage my kvm hardware virtualized environments. | 03:39 |
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| czr | indeed :-) | 03:39 |
| Delio | Sho_: yes | 03:39 |
| Delio | :( | 03:40 |
| Sho_ | Delio: Sigh. Time to dig up cifs.ko again, then :-) | 03:40 |
| alterego | scripts are good though, they like a self documenting library of how-tos :) | 03:40 |
| alterego | And functional too ^_^ | 03:40 |
| alterego | I've really got back into shell scripting for some reason. | 03:41 |
| czr | alterego, until you don't use them for 6 months and then return to them, just to realize that you've not written a README or STARTHERE nor documented anything, and you have 10 scripts all named like "test1" and "test2" and they contain a lot of the same code.. | 03:41 |
| alterego | Hah | 03:41 |
| alterego | Can't say I suffer that :P | 03:41 |
| czr | I do that sometimes. But I work on way too many projects anyway | 03:41 |
| alterego | I'm very anal. My filesystems are clinically clean .. | 03:41 |
| czr | I'm getting there. | 03:42 |
| alterego | I have very specific ways of doing things. | 03:42 |
| czr | yeah. Anal ways. | 03:42 |
| Sho_ | alterego: I really like fish's scripting language (http://www.fishshell.org/), and the amenities it offers for writing it ad-hoc (multi-line input mode, syntax coloring, etc.) - it's a brilliant shell | 03:42 |
| alterego | Sho_, sounds like the devils language :P | 03:42 |
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| alterego | Or something to do with pirates maybe. | 03:43 |
| penguinbait | argh! matey! | 03:43 |
| czr | yarr. | 03:43 |
| czr | begin PLANK; | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | To the plank with this lubber! | 03:43 |
| Sho_ | Well, it's scripting syntax and abilities are nicer than bash's anyway :-) | 03:43 |
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| Sho_ | The Ars Technica and LWN articles linked from the homepage give good primers | 03:44 |
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| czr | Sho_, how large things have you used it for? | 03:44 |
| czr | the thing with non-std shells is that .. well.. any linux has bash/relative installed | 03:45 |
| Sho_ | czr: Nothing in excess of 1k lines. Mostly utility scripts used during software development (e.g. packaging, translation validation and similar) and system administration. | 03:45 |
| czr | 1k sounds decent enough though | 03:46 |
| proteous | quiting coffee is a good way to get a nasty headache for a day or two | 03:46 |
| czr | proteous, that's just the start | 03:46 |
| czr | I've been drinking coffee for ages. too much of it too. now I'm just perpertually tired. | 03:46 |
| proteous | heh | 03:46 |
| czr | although it's getting better, but really slowly | 03:47 |
| alterego | czr, drinking lots of water and eating fresh fruits? | 03:47 |
| czr | alterego, nghgh. drinking tea ;-) | 03:47 |
| Vulcanis | [20:46:32] <proteous> quiting coffee is a good way to get a nasty headache for a day or two -- drink lots of water. | 03:47 |
| czr | but hey, it's green tea. it can't all be that bad, right :-) | 03:47 |
| Vulcanis | Green tea has no caffine, though, IIRC | 03:47 |
| czr | well, I don't drink it so much. more hassle to make tea than coffee, hence I drink less of it. | 03:48 |
| czr | Sho_, screenshots look very enticing.. | 03:49 |
| czr | " All colors can be configured to suit your (lack of) taste." | 03:49 |
| czr | hah | 03:49 |
| czr | finally, a shell to cater my lack of taste! | 03:50 |
| Sho_ | heh | 03:50 |
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| penguinbait | you ever try to help people who just cant seem to be helped? | 03:54 |
| czr | the joys of IRC | 03:54 |
| penguinbait | and forums | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh god. | 03:58 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes all PTSD | 03:58 | |
| czr | hah. forums.. the worst thing that has happened since AOL | 03:58 |
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| Delio | yes, forums fail xD | 03:59 |
| czr | I wish google would provide a mechanism to search everything BUT forums | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've gotten a lot of good info out of forums over the years. :P | 04:00 |
| czr | I'm not even joking.. | 04:00 |
| czr | well, maybe they could provide "search ONLY forums" function for you then ;-) | 04:00 |
| Delio | GeneralAntilles: information regarding the level of cluelessness and general ineptitude of ppl? | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, that, too. | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really, there are stupid people everywhere | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | the medium hardly dictates the amount of stupidity | 04:02 |
| * czr makes everybody feel much better by putting on his "stupid people do it in forums" T-shirt | 04:02 | |
| czr | although, I'd have to take off my "C coders do it with dangling pointers" T-shirt first. | 04:02 |
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| Delio | different media offer different 'resistance' to publishing | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's plenty of mental retardation on nytimes.com | 04:03 |
| czr | have you noticed that any mechanism that lowers the bar of entry to some media for the masses is considered as "advancement" | 04:04 |
| * czr disagrees | 04:04 | |
| czr | with the advancement part at least. | 04:04 |
| proteous | getting rid of 95% of forum results is as easy as -inurl:(forum|forums) searchkeywords | 04:04 |
| czr | I want a checkbox! | 04:04 |
| proteous | heh | 04:04 |
| czr | I really should try to learn to use google some of these days | 04:05 |
| Delio | czr: you want to lower the bar! | 04:05 |
| czr | so far - and quotes has been enough | 04:05 |
| czr | Delio, of course. I'm allowed to contradict myself! | 04:05 |
| proteous | everyone knows that when webtv came out the internet got 110% better | 04:05 |
| * czr nods | 04:05 | |
| proteous | everone was also amazed at how wonderfull newsgroups got when AOLers were finaly let out on the real internet | 04:06 |
| czr | much more colorful | 04:06 |
| czr | it's like when people started using HTML for email, with all the nice colorful backgrounds and different Comic fonts.. | 04:06 |
| czr | I actually saw AOL for the first time in my life during my vacation | 04:06 |
| proteous | HTML email makes mutt cry | 04:06 |
| czr | had to downgrade my moms AOL to older version since the newer version just kept on crashing completely.. | 04:07 |
| proteous | ... | 04:07 |
| czr | and the old version now pops up "Do you want to upgrade"-dialogs each time it's started | 04:07 |
| czr | with no possibility of "Don't ask this again" | 04:07 |
| czr | it's evil. | 04:07 |
| proteous | -2:redundant | 04:08 |
| proteous | it's AOL | 04:08 |
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| czr | but I never imagined it to be so bad. | 04:08 |
| proteous | heh | 04:08 |
| proteous | it's amazing what some people will put up with | 04:08 |
| czr | and I was amazed at the level of isolation it does for users | 04:08 |
| czr | they can't tell apart Internet from AOL. for them, AOL = Internet. | 04:08 |
| proteous | yeah, heh | 04:08 |
| * czr wishes that it would become illegal to use graphical systems | 04:09 | |
| czr | yes, including framebuffers damn it! | 04:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Now you just sound old and bitter. | 04:10 |
| proteous | what about ascii art | 04:10 |
| czr | well.. | 04:10 |
| czr | ascii art is ok, as long as it fits into 80x25 | 04:10 |
| czr | and uses only NVT cahrs | 04:10 |
| czr | chars even | 04:10 |
| czr | GeneralAntilles, I am old and bitter.. :-) | 04:10 |
| proteous | you'll need to require fixed width fonts only too | 04:11 |
| lcuk | hi def ascii art works a treat :D (and not this interlaced nonesense, full progressive frames) | 04:11 |
| czr | libcaca? :-) | 04:11 |
| proteous | my old ATI vid card had an ascii art mode, would reneder the whole screen like that, was interesting for quake3 | 04:11 |
| czr | yeah, I still remember running mpeg decoders with SDLs libwhatwasit output. watching SW trailers was never so much fun.. | 04:11 |
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| proteous | unplayable, but interesting, ascii video at 1600x1200 still doesn't give enough detail | 04:12 |
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| lcuk | czr, would you know what to do with a modern graphics card ? | 04:12 |
| czr | err. it was a library, not a feature of the graphics card. at least the one that I used | 04:13 |
| czr | SDL output driver. | 04:13 |
| proteous | the one I've used was a feature of the graphics card | 04:13 |
| czr | never heard of that /me shrugs | 04:13 |
| czr | can you recall which ati chip? | 04:13 |
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| proteous | it was a radeon8500 I think | 04:14 |
| proteous | hmm, I have it in my arcade computer still | 04:14 |
| lcuk | hardware accellerated opengl acii art :D | 04:14 |
| czr | well. I know radeons (esp the older ones) like my back pockets. | 04:14 |
| proteous | yeah | 04:14 |
| lcuk | ascii^ | 04:14 |
| czr | I'm pretty sure it's not a feature of any of the RV chips | 04:14 |
| proteous | darn disbelivers | 04:15 |
| czr | (I used to write drivers for radeons) | 04:15 |
| czr | maybe you used the SDL thingy as well | 04:15 |
| czr | as q3 used SDL | 04:15 |
| proteous | let examin the interwebs and surf you up a netpage for it | 04:15 |
| * czr nods | 04:15 | |
| czr | use the forums luke, use the forums.. | 04:15 |
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| proteous | it was a smartshader affect you could turn on, looked like this in UrbanTerror, a quake3 mod: http://fandanta.org/mike/sshot/shot0001.jpg | 04:17 |
| czr | ahh | 04:17 |
| czr | makes sense now | 04:17 |
| czr | I didn't take into account shaders | 04:17 |
| proteous | :P | 04:17 |
| * czr stands corrected | 04:18 | |
| czr | the same effect could be done with OpenGL shaders though | 04:18 |
| czr | but I'm not sure how to get them into q3 though | 04:18 |
| czr | and opengl shaders require new hw anyway | 04:18 |
| czr | (ogl 2) | 04:18 |
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| shack008n | wow, 5 hours of bluetooth pan connection and i still have half the battery | 04:30 |
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| Delio | on n8x0? | 04:33 |
| shack008n | n800 | 04:38 |
| Delio | I haven't set up PAN yet | 04:38 |
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| Delio | wanted to try though | 04:39 |
| lcuk2 | hi again ppl | 04:39 |
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| lcuk2 | small gps question. can i save gps journey log with builtin 810/map combo and if not what do i need? google foo aint coming up wih anything | 04:40 |
| oil_ | good morning | 04:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I very much doubt it, lcuk2. | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a maemo mapper thing. | 04:47 |
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| lcuk2 | can i just write out the output when the icon is active | 04:49 |
| lcuk2 | ie a little shell script | 04:49 |
| lcuk2 | (i think i can actually but the devil is in the details, reading up on openstreetmap site at the mo | 04:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd look at the maemo mapper code if you want to do that. | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could probably set something up to poll gspd pretty easily. | 04:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have it stick those coordinates into a kml. | 04:52 |
| lcuk2 | sounds reasonable :) there is apython binding | 04:55 |
| lcuk2 | thanks :) | 04:56 |
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| rm_you | Ahhh... Back :) | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you get the GTK menu issue figured out and I'll shill for you like no shill has ever shilled before. ;) | 05:14 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:14 |
| rm_you | Was hoping for a response from the maemo developers mailing list, but even that seems to be a dead end :( | 05:14 |
| czr | rm_you, yeah, better wait until monday evening (in finland) | 05:15 |
| czr | maybe someone might have motivation in the morning (in nokia) | 05:15 |
| rm_you | I may have to put on my ninja suit, fly to Nokia's headquarters, break in, and steal the source code for their BRIGHTNESS APP. | 05:15 |
| czr | if not, well then.. maybe it's time for small example program and place a bug | 05:15 |
| czr | rm_you, I doubt they keep the code at the hq ;-) | 05:15 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:15 |
| czr | but given enough money, I will give you additional hints | 05:15 |
| rm_you | hehe | 05:15 |
| rm_you | I'm just going to guess it's really simple, and it just isn't documented >_> | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Start compiling random characters until you get it. | 05:16 |
| rm_you | czr: you work at/with nokia? :P | 05:19 |
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| czr | not really | 05:20 |
| rm_you | lol | 05:20 |
| rm_you | damn | 05:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corporate espionage! | 05:20 |
| rm_you | I need to bribe someone who works there to steal the brightness app sourcecode for me | 05:21 |
| czr | rm_you, I wrote most of the training material for them though. (the public one) | 05:21 |
| czr | heh | 05:21 |
| czr | probably not worth the money :-) | 05:21 |
| rm_you | i know >_> | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to think that the things that went on to keep a lot of this stuff closed were really interested. But somehow I think I'd be disappointed. | 05:21 |
| rm_you | it's not like i want the source to like... Map... or something :/ | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Map" | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who the hell named that? | 05:21 |
| rm_you | I just want the fricking brightness app. it's gotta be what... like 20 lines of code? >_< | 05:21 |
| czr | rm_you, if you hang around the channel during working hours of CET+1, you might get better answers | 05:22 |
| rm_you | possibly | 05:22 |
| rm_you | do a lot of nokia people actually come in IRC? | 05:22 |
| czr | GeneralAntilles, same person who named "Browser" and the other tools ;-) | 05:22 |
| czr | rm_you, not a lot, but some | 05:22 |
| rm_you | i can only think of one | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Browser makes sense | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Map" implies that you're opening one giant map. | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which conjures up a weird image for me. | 05:22 |
| * czr shrugs | 05:22 | |
| czr | to me the name is as logical as browser | 05:23 |
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| czr | Navigation would have been better though, imho | 05:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I hope there's a bug. | 05:23 |
| czr | but I guess they have to pay the translators by the translated character | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Navigation would have been better if they had seen fit to bundle the navigation service. | 05:23 |
| * czr shrugs | 05:24 | |
| czr | I've yet to use the application succesfully | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:24 |
| czr | haven't had proper GPS receiving so far.. | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I downloaded maps | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | gave up | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | maemo mapper does what I need it to do | 05:24 |
| czr | and the whole app seems very crufty | 05:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I have an old Garmin C320 if I need real navigation. | 05:24 |
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| unique311 | would really like to see a little small video howto on how to freaking port a C app, and hildon it. the tutorial seems easy. | 05:34 |
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| czr | unique311, nothing stops you from making one | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:34 |
| unique311 | i would not be asking if i could hildon a C app | 05:34 |
| czr | you might want to take a look at the porting howto though | 05:34 |
| unique311 | wow | 05:35 |
| unique311 | you read "the tutorial seems easy" part | 05:35 |
| czr | tutorial != porting howto | 05:36 |
| unique311 | i followed the python tutorial and figured that one out for a python app. | 05:36 |
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| unique311 | http://umeguide.net/C/porting-C-apps.html http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html followed those 2 | 05:37 |
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| czr | ah I see. I thought you meant "maemo tutorial" by "tutorial" :-) | 05:39 |
| unique311 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UMEGuide/ApplicationDevelopment/GladeWithPythonForUMEHildon this helped me out for a python app. xgngeo | 05:39 |
| czr | most of the difficult part in porting comes with dealing lib dependencies, modifying the GUI to suit the device better. the API changes are rather trivial | 05:39 |
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| czr | but porting per se is not so, at least I wouldn't say so, unless you're porting hello world. | 05:40 |
| unique311 | followed the maemo porting guide. | 05:40 |
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| unique311 | the monkey bubble guide seems really easy to follow. | 05:41 |
| unique311 | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html | 05:41 |
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| unique311 | czr, when i do figure out how to hildon an app (C) , i willl have a video up. | 05:45 |
| * czr nods | 05:45 | |
| czr | I'd guess most people don't really learn by watching videos, so there hasn't been much requests for one | 05:46 |
| bobbywas | hey guys, I need some help patching some wireless drivers on my notebook, I know it has absolutely nothing to do with maemo, but I have an n800 and everyone here was really helpful and knowledgeable when I had problems, and they are both are linux problems.... so maybe someone can help me out? | 05:48 |
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| Vulcanis | bobbywas: Try ##linux | 05:51 |
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| unique311 | czr, for developer i would see how valid that would be (don't really learn by watching vids) | 05:53 |
| unique311 | now for an artist just trying to hildon 1 app, a video would make a world of a difference in learning in learning this whole hildon thing. | 05:55 |
| unique311 | ever heard of Lynda? | 05:55 |
| czr | unique311, nope | 06:00 |
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| thefool__ | anyone find any good car mounts for the n770? | 06:05 |
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| dick-richardson | is there a decent word processor available? I'd rather avoid google docs if possible | 07:21 |
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| Delio | not that I know of | 07:22 |
| timely | what's wrong w/ google docs? | 07:25 |
| timely | you could get abiword for some versions of mameo | 07:25 |
| timely | maemo | 07:25 |
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| dick-richardson | only problem w/google docs is having to be online...I'll be using my cell connection which is little better than dialup | 07:28 |
| dick-richardson | i have an n810 using the latest os2008 release...has abiword been ported? | 07:29 |
| timely | see gronmayer in topic? | 07:29 |
| timely | eventually google docs will probably work offline, dunno if it does yet | 07:30 |
| timely | i suppose that depends on when someone officially published gears for maemo | 07:30 |
| timely | \microb | 07:30 |
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| mbuf | may i know who is working with qemu for Maemo? | 07:41 |
| czr | mbuf, check the changelog for the qemu source for maemo? | 07:42 |
| czr | it has the quilty parties' emails afair | 07:42 |
| czr | at least names | 07:42 |
| mbuf | czr, and from where and how do i get the qemu source for Maemo? | 07:42 |
| czr | timely, you track qemu in your mxr? | 07:42 |
| czr | mbuf, try looking in mxr (see topic) | 07:43 |
| mbuf | czr, thanks | 07:44 |
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| Lahiru | pe | 08:00 |
| * Lahiru *sorry | 08:00 | |
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| Lahiru | Can we install C++ (gcc) on N800.. OS2008? | 08:15 |
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| Delio | I think so but I am not sure, but I am a n00b | 08:16 |
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| dick-richardson | I'm disappointed...I was hoping dosbox would run better than it does :/ | 08:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Runs pretty well considering. | 08:19 |
| dick-richardson | true...it's the keyboard support that is most lacking...the arrow keys don't work on either my stowaway keyboard or the built-in n810's | 08:21 |
| vegai | Lahiru: don't see why not. | 08:23 |
| vegai | but on another level, don't see why :-P | 08:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The BT keys should work fine. | 08:27 |
| dick-richardson | the arrows keys aren't :/ | 08:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's basically a one-man port, so if you have skills to contribute, I'm sure he'd appreciate the help. | 08:27 |
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| Lahiru | vegai, :) I'm gonna try compile firefox for KDE on N800 | 08:29 |
| Lahiru | vegai, looking for penguinBait :) | 08:29 |
| vegai | okay, good luck | 08:30 |
| Lahiru | do anyone know how penguinbait ported kde? | 08:32 |
| Lahiru | I'm a kde/qt developer... but dnt know how to do those stuff on N800 :) | 08:32 |
| Lahiru | any guidance please | 08:32 |
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| pupnik_ | Lahiru: 1) install scratchbox, 2) compile a gtk program in scratchbox 3) read the porting howto to learn how to modify gtk apps to use hildon | 08:45 |
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| Lahiru | Thanks pupnik_, installed scratchbox.. :) | 08:51 |
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| Zic | o/ | 09:25 |
| mbuf | czr, not able to find any qemu source packages in chinook from timeless.justdave.net; any other pointers? | 09:26 |
| czr | hmm. not right now mbuf, try searching the mailing list archives? | 09:28 |
| mbuf | czr, ok, will do | 09:28 |
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| Epeloon | hi, is there who can help me with PyGTKEditor installation? | 09:37 |
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| Epeloon | I'm getting an error message "Application packages missing" | 09:38 |
| Epeloon | Python 2.5 gtk | 09:38 |
| Epeloon | Python 2.5 gtk2 | 09:38 |
| Epeloon | python2.5-gtk2 | 09:38 |
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| johnx | Epeloon, under application manager click on "tools -> catalogs" or something like that | 09:42 |
| johnx | find the "extras" repository and enable it | 09:42 |
| johnx | it is disabled by default and it will have the packages you need | 09:42 |
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| keesj | wasup with qqil , is he gone? | 10:08 |
| * keesj is tryint to spread FUD :P | 10:10 | |
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| ds3 | is anyone finding regular google maps usable on the N800? | 10:12 |
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| keesj | ds3: with maemo-mapper yes | 10:13 |
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| ds3 | ah, that's the trick... cuz with microb it is annoying | 10:13 |
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| keesj | I must say that I find the recent maemo-mapper slow | 10:15 |
| ds3 | is maemo-mapper setup for googlemaps if I just install it or do I need to config it ? | 10:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2.3 or < 2.3, keesj? | 10:16 |
| keesj | ds3: yesterday I also read about a google maps palm app that worked on the internet tablets (I don't rember the details) | 10:16 |
| johnx | ds3, the first time you run it, it will ask if you want to enable additional map source or somesuch | 10:17 |
| keesj | ds3: you can press a button (download) this will download a list or repositories | 10:17 |
| johnx | say yes and google maps is enabled | 10:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, see my posts on page one here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=36786 | 10:17 |
| johnx | err...do what keesj said | 10:17 |
| keesj | of. | 10:17 |
| ds3 | keesj: yeah, the google maps for palm on the GVM works great | 10:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | keesj, have you tried mm 2.3? | 10:18 |
| ds3 | nice post | 10:19 |
| keesj | GeneralAntilles: if it it older then 2 weeks yes :p | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yesterday | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's got some new RAM caching | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | brings the speed up close to 1.x levels. | 10:19 |
| ds3 | does maemo mapper integrate with the OS2008 GPS stuff? | 10:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do you mean, ds3? | 10:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | With the "Map" application and its associated maps? | 10:20 |
| ds3 | no, the GPS icon on top to show the status of GPS lock for example | 10:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either way, I don't mind the speed hit for the 50% filesize savings. | 10:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, ds3. | 10:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 or N810 | 10:20 |
| ds3 | very nice | 10:20 |
| keesj | speed really is the number one prio to make an appp usable | 10:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Storage space isn't unlimited. | 10:21 |
| ds3 | last question - does maemo mapper let me use a scanned JPG/GIF I provide? | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | 50% savings is incredibly large | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | plus, you get rotation and panning with database storage | 10:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, ds3. | 10:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though I'm not familiar with the method. | 10:22 |
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| ds3 | I can find out latter... got some USGS Topo maps on a CD in GIF format for use with the some windows software | 10:23 |
| ds3 | since USGS maps are PD, I want to be able to reuse them | 10:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got a buddy working on opening up the Florida USGS coastal aerial topo/lidar/fullspectrum/crazy-dar maps for public use. | 10:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | petabytes and petabytes worth of stuff. | 10:26 |
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| keesj | indeed , 2.3 looks responsive! | 10:34 |
| keesj | feels | 10:34 |
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| ds3 | nice, it is quite usable | 10:39 |
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| rm_you | mmm ..... "crazy-dar" :P | 10:56 |
| rm_you | i want me some of that | 10:56 |
| rm_you | and... sleep | 10:57 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:26 |
| keesj | hi | 11:27 |
| keesj | 10:39 < ds3> nice, it is quite usable | 11:27 |
| keesj | 10:40 -!- simon_ [n=simon@dyn167240.wlan.jku.at] has joined #maemo [10:40] [keesj(+ei)] [3:#maemo(+cn)] [Act: 2,6] | 11:27 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Hi ! | 11:29 |
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| Delio | Hi Khertan | 11:29 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 11:33 |
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| oil_ | good evening. do you know if it's possible to use Nokia S60 terminals as WLAN hotspot? if not, what would be required to use maemo as one? | 11:53 |
| oil_ | if the maemo would connect to 3G phone with bluetooth and act as wlan accesspoint for other wlan devices | 11:53 |
| zaheerm | i believe you can't use the s60 handsets as an accesspoint | 11:54 |
| zaheerm | but the maemo devices are different | 11:54 |
| zaheerm | you could definitely connect to the phone with bluetooth, and possibly depending on the wlan driver use it as an access point | 11:54 |
| johnx | I do not believe the drivers/chipset on the N8x0 stuff supports "Master" mode to act as an access point | 11:55 |
| johnx | ad-hoc should be doable | 11:55 |
| johnx | you'd need to have a device supported by the Linux hostap driver for real accesspoint behavior | 11:56 |
| oil_ | hmm. need to ask from professor google a bit more | 11:58 |
| johnx | if your question is "can I somehow use my N800's wifi to get my laptop online somehow?" the answer is "probably yes" | 11:59 |
| oil_ | johnx: that one and also couple of other devices using wlan and/or bluetooth | 12:00 |
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| johnx | the answer is "probably" | 12:01 |
| johnx | it's very likely you can use it to your satisfaction once in a while but it probably isn't a great long term solution | 12:02 |
| glass | ap's with 3g modems built in aren't _that_ expensive if you need a stationary long term solution | 12:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | The maemo device is going to be a big bottleneck, anyway. | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~50KB/sec with DUN and around ~150KB/sec with PAN. | 12:03 |
| oil_ | I'm more thinking of the portable and possible mobile solution. | 12:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just buy a wifi phone. :P | 12:04 |
| glass | GeneralAntilles: what good would that do? | 12:04 |
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| glass | not many wifi phones can share the net over their wifi | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are phones that act as network APs. | 12:04 |
| glass | some wm's can | 12:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I believe, anyway. | 12:04 |
| glass | very few can tho | 12:04 |
| johnx | oil_, that's a scenario I've been thinking about as well | 12:05 |
| oil_ | GeneralAntilles: well, if I could use some 3g/wifi phone as an AP for other devices, that would be the best option | 12:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you're using multiple wifi devices, wouldn't it be easier to do it with a laptop? | 12:06 |
| |tbb| | is there a easy howto which let me use internet on my n810 if i plug it through usb cable on a xp or nix system? | 12:09 |
| oil_ | GeneralAntilles: no, if such thing is not available. Let's say we have 2 wifi phones and one tablet. | 12:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. | 12:09 |
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| maddler | |tbb|: there was an howto on maemo.org | 12:11 |
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| maddler | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_usb_networking_bora.html | 12:12 |
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| |tbb| | thx maddler will try it | 12:27 |
| nick_fn | Does anyone know of a VNC *server* for Maemo (OS2007) | 12:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | x11vnc | 12:34 |
| nick_fn | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/x11vnc/ , great, thank you. | 12:35 |
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| nick_fn | (for others, I had to use http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 to get the OS2007 version)) | 12:38 |
| |tbb| | GeneralAntilles: will this vncserver work on chinook | 12:40 |
| nick_fn | Strangely, I can't open the application menu (left hand side bar menu) over VNC though. | 12:40 |
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| nick_fn | |tbb|: There is an OS2008 deb | 12:42 |
| florian | good morning | 12:42 |
| |tbb| | oh nice, after i dont get x-forwarding from n810 trough desktop box to work, its my last chance to show applications on desktop | 12:44 |
| |tbb| | hi florian | 12:44 |
| nick_fn | tbh: yeah, I've got got X forwarding to work that way yet either, although I can get Desktop X11 apps to appear on the N800 OK. | 12:45 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i ve set up a repos with two applet in python for hildondesktop | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | |tbb|, it's not a GUI application, so yes. | 12:45 |
| Khertan_TheReal | if someone want to try : deb http://khertan.net/maemo chinook user | 12:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who they hell decided that "2008 OS" was the correct way to do it on the ITT wiki? <_< | 12:45 |
| Delio | I'm in Khertan | 12:46 |
| maddler | it should/wg 27 | 12:46 |
| Khertan_TheReal | http://khertan.net/maemo/khertan_repository.install | 12:46 |
| Khertan_TheReal | (i ven't test the install file ... has i ven't network on my n800 here) | 12:47 |
| Delio | I manually added the repo | 12:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and repo work ? :) | 12:50 |
| Delio | I get an error when updating the packages list | 12:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | it s seems to work in the vmware image with sdk | 12:50 |
| Delio | are you sure you are not redirecting to your webpages? | 12:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | u get an error ? | 12:50 |
| Khertan_TheReal | how do u have configured it ? | 12:51 |
| Delio | it says "Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" | 12:51 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hu ? | 12:51 |
| Delio | when unpacking packages.gz | 12:51 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i think u have an error in the setting ... | 12:51 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | it s work under scratchbox | 12:52 |
| Khertan_TheReal | http://khertan.net/maemo chinook free | 12:52 |
| Delio | :P | 12:52 |
| Delio | you said "user" not "free" before :P | 12:52 |
| Khertan_TheReal | oh ! ... sorry | 12:53 |
| Delio | np :) | 12:53 |
| |tbb| | Aigo MID anyone knows which os it has and when it will be availabl? | 12:53 |
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| Delio | for both python-hildondesktop and hildon-desktop-loader I get "installation file corrupted" | 12:55 |
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| johnx | |tbb|, http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=162 . The OS is probably intel's midinux I think | 12:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Delio .... hum ... i ve never be able to create a repository ... | 12:57 |
| Khertan_TheReal | if u download package and install it with application manager this will work | 12:58 |
| Delio | well I am happy to be your guinea pig if you'd like to fix the repo | 12:58 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i think the hosting server is the problem | 12:58 |
| Delio | otherwise I will download them manually as you suggest | 12:58 |
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| |tbb| | johnx have seen that, nothing about rls date or os, thats why im asking | 12:59 |
| johnx | well, the OS is almost certainly midinux | 13:00 |
| johnx | and I don't think anyone has the release date yet | 13:00 |
| johnx | the whole MID platform hasn't seemed to condense from vapor yet | 13:00 |
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| johnx | ds3, you were asking earlier about google maps being usable. If you go to google.com/ig/i (the iphone igoogle page) you can add an "iphone optimized" google maps interface to the page which seems to be a lot more usable then the standard one | 13:08 |
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| tekonivel | Top of the morn, everyone :) | 13:16 |
| skibur | ;) | 13:16 |
| tekonivel | I should be swimming, not nerding with n800 | 13:17 |
| skibur | 3 mile run here :D | 13:19 |
| tekonivel | I wish my IT was waterproof | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get yourself an otterbox. ;) | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or two ziplock bags. | 13:20 |
| tekonivel | GeneralAntilles: otters are great beasts | 13:21 |
| tekonivel | GeneralAntilles: in reality i should just lessen nerding :) | 13:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, pish! | 13:22 |
| tekonivel | The swimminghall is gonna get crowded in t+2 hrs | 13:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nerding makes the world go round. ;) | 13:23 |
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| tekonivel | T, t | 13:23 |
| fugitivo | good morning people | 13:26 |
| solmumaha | tekonivel: can you swim in your condition? | 13:26 |
| tekonivel | I hope so... Woke up at 5am | 13:27 |
| tekonivel | My judgement is impaired | 13:28 |
| cosmo | hm, why isn't there update all-button in app manager | 13:28 |
| tekonivel | Safer to just geek around the house in underwear and a hoodie and not go out | 13:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Because that might make things easier for you, cosmo. | 13:30 |
| cosmo | someone please port synaptic.. | 13:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, you're more than welcome to. :P | 13:31 |
| LoCusF | apt-get update && apt-get -y --force-yes <3 | 13:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thankfully we don't have that many packages so far. | 13:31 |
| johnx | cosmo, you want it all nice and hildonized? or want me to just take a swing at it in mud-builder? | 13:31 |
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| cosmo | johnx: just basic port would be enough i think | 13:32 |
| cosmo | at least better than the application manager | 13:33 |
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| cosmo | btw the map application update still fails.. is there some reason or fix for it+ | 13:33 |
| johnx | cosmo, I started a build. I have *no idea how far it will get* | 13:33 |
| cosmo | i don't think synaptic depends on other stuff than basic gtk.. so it might work | 13:34 |
| tekonivel | Xterm and Emacs still has encoding problems... But i'll go for a dip now or my soul will burnificate in /dev/null | 13:34 |
| tekonivel | Bye | 13:34 |
| michele_ | hardware keys still doesn't work for me in the updated evince... | 13:34 |
| johnx | it dragged chunks of gnome in so far | 13:34 |
| michele_ | "don't" | 13:34 |
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| johnx | and died on docbook | 13:34 |
| LoCusF | that can be skipped, right? | 13:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | cosmo, just ignore it. | 13:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not relevant or interesting. ;) | 13:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | maybe someone can help me, i ve setted my repository but each time i try to install a package i get a corrupted file ... | 13:36 |
| Khertan_TheReal | if i download it ... then install it ... there is no problem | 13:36 |
| Khertan_TheReal | so i think it s come from the server ... but i don't understand why | 13:36 |
| Delio | Khertan_TheReal: have you seen my PM? | 13:37 |
| massoud | Ehlo there | 13:42 |
| massoud | Do you guys where can I find the http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/maemo-scratchbox-install_3.0.sh ? | 13:42 |
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| massoud | It seems that the link is dead ? | 13:42 |
| johnx | massoud, Is there a reason you want such an old one? | 13:42 |
| johnx | that's not even the latest 2007 release | 13:42 |
| massoud | no I just want the scratchbox installation kit ... latest one can be great :) | 13:43 |
| johnx | are you trying to develop for 2008OS or 2007OS? | 13:43 |
| massoud | johnx : 2007OS | 13:48 |
| johnx | alright | 13:48 |
| johnx | one sec, and I'll see what I can dig up :D | 13:48 |
| massoud | :) | 13:48 |
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| johnx | massoud, first of all the latest is 3.2: so start with the install here, but since it depends on you having 3.1 setup, and 3.1 depends on 3.0, you really were starting in the right place I guess | 13:49 |
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| johnx | the file you were originally looking for seems to have moved to here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.0/maemo-scratchbox-install_3.0.sh | 13:50 |
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| johnx | all this 2007OS stuff is kind outdated so it looks like URLs in the INSTALL.txt files are kinda broken | 13:51 |
| johnx | is there a reason you're targetting 2007OS instead of 2008OS? | 13:51 |
| massoud | johnx : Thanks for the url | 13:53 |
| johnx | sure | 13:53 |
| massoud | Do you have the link for the 2008OS scratch installer ? | 13:54 |
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| johnx | all the 2008OS stuff (aka chinook) is here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/ | 13:54 |
| massoud | I was looking at the portage of obexftp for maemo | 13:54 |
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| johnx | that would be cool to have | 13:56 |
| massoud | yes obexftp along with hcitool scan to script connexions to BT devices :) | 13:57 |
| johnx | massoud, agreed | 13:57 |
| johnx | that's actually very relevant to what I'm doing right now | 13:57 |
| dpb_ | portage.. maemo? maemo != gentoo.. ;o | 13:57 |
| pupnik_ | hmm, nobody built synergy / synergy2 / quicksynergy for maemo os2008 yet? | 14:00 |
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| pupnik_ | i suppose the os2006/2007 binary works with dpkg -i... | 14:01 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Delio> have i ven't received any pm ... are u registered ? pm are blocked on freenode.net | 14:02 |
| Delio | I see | 14:02 |
| Delio | I am not registered... yet | 14:02 |
| Delio | Delio: http://khertan.net/maemo/dists/chinook/free/ | 14:03 |
| Delio | [12:10am] Delio: Error 403 - Forbidden | 14:03 |
| Delio | [12:10am] Delio: L'accès au fichier requiert une autorisation. | 14:03 |
| Delio | [12:10am] Delio: cannot reach the packages manually | 14:03 |
| Delio | [12:11am] Delio: and any url to an unexisting file redirects me your website | 14:03 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | gnieee ... file are here ... i can download it | 14:03 |
| Khertan_TheReal | but there is any listing ... | 14:04 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | http://khertan.net/maemo/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/hildon-desktop-python-loader-0.0.2.armel.deb | 14:04 |
| Delio | that works | 14:05 |
| Khertan_TheReal | http://khertan.net/maemo/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/homecpuspeed-0.0.1.armel.deb | 14:05 |
| Khertan_TheReal | http://khertan.net/maemo/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/homediskfree-0.0.1.armel.deb | 14:05 |
| Khertan_TheReal | http://khertan.net/maemo/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/python-hildondesktop-0.0.2.armel.deb | 14:05 |
| |tbb| | Khertan_TheReal: what this packages are? | 14:05 |
| Khertan_TheReal | hildon desktop binding for python | 14:05 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and two python applet | 14:06 |
| Khertan_TheReal | and the python hildondesktop launcher | 14:06 |
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| SamuraiDio | hi | 14:06 |
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| Delio | Installed the launcher and the bindings plus the cpuspeed applet | 14:10 |
| Delio | the applet name appears in the list of available applets | 14:10 |
| Delio | once selected and OKed it will *not* appear and if I go back to the applet selection menu I find it de-selected | 14:11 |
| SamuraiDio | do someone know how much U$ is the nokia n810 on us? | 14:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~$400-$480 | 14:14 |
| SamuraiDio | tnx | 14:14 |
| |tbb| | Khertan_TheReal: any screenshots available yet | 14:16 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Delio > strange ... maybe a python lib missing ... | 14:18 |
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| Delio | I will try to figure out what is missing | 14:21 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Delio > you should try to reboot too ... | 14:28 |
| Delio | I just done that, didn;t help | 14:29 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | arg ... i ve used packaged deb to install it on my n800 and it s work like a charm ... | 14:34 |
| Khertan_TheReal | don't understand why it doesn't on your | 14:34 |
| Delio | mine is an N800 running OS2008 | 14:35 |
| Khertan_TheReal | does python2.5-runtime is installed ? | 14:35 |
| pupnik_ | cool, old synergy works on os2008 | 14:35 |
| Delio | yes, it is | 14:35 |
| pupnik_ | hmm well sorta :) | 14:35 |
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| Delio | can I run it from the command line? | 14:36 |
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| pupnik_ | maemo-gtk-im-switch xim not workin... | 14:37 |
| Khertan_TheReal | Deblio > obviously not ... not easy to debug | 14:38 |
| Khertan_TheReal | you could try with ipython to load hildondesktop ... | 14:38 |
| Khertan_TheReal | >ipython | 14:38 |
| Khertan_TheReal | >import hildondesktop | 14:39 |
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| b0unc3 | just got my n810 :-) | 14:39 |
| Nermal | :D | 14:39 |
| Delio | done that, no error | 14:39 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | ah ... | 14:41 |
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| Khertan_TheReal | so this come from the launcher | 14:41 |
| AzBaR | #islamadavet | 14:41 |
| AzBaR | #islamadavet | 14:41 |
| * alterego wonders what that has to do with maemo .. | 14:41 | |
| AzBaR | #islamadavet | 14:41 |
| alterego | AzBaR, fuck off. | 14:41 |
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| Delio | -_- | 14:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | More spammers in this channel than I've seen in any other channel on freenode. | 14:42 |
| Nermal | need a bot :) | 14:42 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Need some ops. | 14:43 |
| alterego | Yeah | 14:43 |
| * Lahiru looking for penguinbait :) | 14:43 | |
| alterego | Well, he didn't stay long .. | 14:43 |
| * Nermal prempts a ban on his other channels :) | 14:43 | |
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| Khertan_TheReal | Join #PythonRocks_RubySucks !!! .... :) | 14:47 |
| Delio | lol | 14:47 |
| alterego | I prefer my women to suck .. | 14:47 |
| Delio | >>> import homecpuspeed | 14:47 |
| Delio | >>> homecpuspeed.hd_plugin_get_objects() | 14:47 |
| Delio | [<CPUSpeedPlugin object at 0x4013d8a0 (HomeItem at 0x1b7830)>] | 14:47 |
| Delio | still no errors | 14:47 |
| Nermal | nice | 14:47 |
| Khertan_TheReal | i think more of a problem with the .c loader | 14:50 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 14:54 |
| Khertan_TheReal | afternoon alone | 14:55 |
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| hugolp | hiç | 15:02 |
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| hugolp | Im getting this everytime I run my program in scratchbox: | 15:02 |
| hugolp | /home/jo/.osso/current-gtk-key-theme:1: Unable to find include file: "keybindings.rc" | 15:02 |
| hugolp | anyone knows if it is something wrong with my programe or with the scratchbox setup? | 15:03 |
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| zuh | hugolp: You are just missing the mentioned file (/home/jo/.osso/keybindings.rc). It's non-fatal, but you could try to create an empty file there to make the warning go away... | 15:09 |
| hugolp | also Im getting this weird thing with gtk_button. If I set a label and a image in gtk_button I only see the label (no image), but if I set only the image, then the image shows. | 15:09 |
| hugolp | zuh: ok | 15:10 |
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| hugolp | zuh: I did a touch and the warning did go away | 15:13 |
| Delio | Khertan_TheReal: /lib/ld-linux.so.3 --list /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loaders/libpythonpluginloader.so.0.0.0 confirms all dependencies are there (for the loader) | 15:16 |
| Delio | It's bed time, see you tomorrow | 15:17 |
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| crashanddie | hey everyone, I just setup scratchbox and the whole sdk stuff | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | is xephyr really necessary ? | 15:20 |
| hugolp | crashanddie: if you want to see graphical output I think it is | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | ok | 15:22 |
| hugolp | if you only need the console then you dont need it | 15:22 |
| alterego | You can still use xnest, but it wont work properly. | 15:22 |
| alterego | As Xephyr supports the composite X11 extension but Xnest does not. | 15:23 |
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| jott | alterego: is composite used? as the readme states to use "-extension Composite"... | 15:26 |
| jott | (as in disable extension) | 15:26 |
| alterego | What readme? | 15:26 |
| jott | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/INSTALL.txt | 15:26 |
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| alterego | You should read the tutorial really. | 15:27 |
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| alterego | Composite is used I believe, for transparency .. | 15:27 |
| jott | so it's better to use "+extension Composite" then?! ;) | 15:27 |
| alterego | Obviously that's only needed for OS2008 development. | 15:27 |
| alterego | Well, just play with the option and see. I don't specify it at all. | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | hmm... I'm only going to be deving for OS2008 | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | and the tutorial doesn't really specificy we have a choice | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | "For this purpose, we recommend Xephyr, but there are also alternative options." | 15:29 |
| hugolp | whats wrong with Xephyr? | 15:29 |
| hugolp | it worked fine here | 15:29 |
| jott | well if composite is really used, then this is obviously a manual bug (as it's the official INSTALL.txt).. | 15:29 |
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| jott | alterego: the tutorial also says to disable composite btw. | 15:33 |
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| alterego | What version of the sdk are you developing for? | 15:34 |
| jott | chinook | 15:35 |
| alterego | Ah yes, you're right. How strange :) | 15:35 |
| alterego | Well I hope that's intended .. | 15:35 |
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| jott | yeah.. well, it works so far.. just wondered ;) | 15:35 |
| keesj | the postman delivered a arduino to me by accident. | 15:35 |
| alterego | arduino? | 15:36 |
| keesj | some very popular io board http://www.arduino.cc/ Arduino is an open-source electronics prototyping platform based on flexible, eas ..... | 15:37 |
| alterego | Oh, that's neat. | 15:38 |
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| keesj | For for people how really don't like to know how it all works | 15:38 |
| keesj | I wonder what I can do with it | 15:39 |
| jott | "delivered.. by accident" . . when they want it back it will be really messed up, right?! ;> | 15:39 |
| alterego | You could build a burgler alarm with it ^_^ | 15:40 |
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| keesj | I call then ,because I also ordered something else from them | 15:40 |
| keesj | and told them. (they gave me a special price for you my friend) | 15:41 |
| alterego | I'm thinking of starting my own software stack build on Hildon. | 15:41 |
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| keesj | alterego: why? | 15:41 |
| alterego | Using my N800 as the platform. As my N810 has replaced it in my heart. | 15:41 |
| Nermal | oh dear | 15:41 |
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| alterego | keesj, I'd like to build a dist based more on Debian than Maemo is. | 15:42 |
| keesj | alterego: why not join the mamona team? | 15:42 |
| alterego | keesj, I don't know :) | 15:42 |
| hugolp | anybody here knows if gtk_button in hildon can show a label and a image at the same time or it cant? | 15:42 |
| Jon | alterego: get hildon into debian and have debian be the distro :-) | 15:42 |
| alterego | hugolp, it can. | 15:43 |
| alterego | But I can't remember off hand how :P | 15:43 |
| keesj | alterego: I still have a hate relation with debian(but I do use ubuntu as user) | 15:43 |
| hugolp | alterego: Im getting this weird thing with gtk_button. If I set a label and a image in gtk_button I only see the label (no image), but if I set only the image, then the image shows. | 15:43 |
| hugolp | alterego: Im checking the gtkbutton.c source at hildon svn but it doesnt take care of that there | 15:44 |
| hugolp | at least that I can see | 15:44 |
| alterego | hugolp, right. You might have to use it's bin properties. | 15:44 |
| hugolp | alterego: how? | 15:44 |
| keesj | I like mamona since it uses openembedded and provides e17 , you get a chance to build everyting including a recent toolchain | 15:44 |
| alterego | hugolp, make a HBox, add the image and label. Then add that HBox using gtk_container_add | 15:45 |
| keesj | alterego to be honest I really have no clue what i would mean to creat a distro based on debian | 15:45 |
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| alterego | keesj, well, maemo is half based on debian, same package management and uses some of the sources too. But it handles a few things very differently. Like networking etc. | 15:46 |
| alterego | And I'm more interested in doing it, just for the sake of it. Not for any real profit/project. | 15:47 |
| keesj | alterego: but I have the feeling the maemo delivered an sdk where "users" use different tools then the "maemo developers" | 15:47 |
| alterego | Yes | 15:47 |
| alterego | hugolp, what language are you using? Python or C? | 15:48 |
| alterego | Or Ruby? ;) | 15:48 |
| Veggen | I feel Nokia is moving in the right direction, making it dist-upgradeable etc. like they have said (?) they'd do. | 15:48 |
| hugolp | alterego: C | 15:48 |
| hugolp | Im old school | 15:48 |
| alterego | hugolp, right :) | 15:48 |
| alterego | Just wanted to cheak. | 15:48 |
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| alterego | ~check .. | 15:48 |
| * infobot slams .. into the glass nose first | 15:48 | |
| alterego | Erm .. | 15:49 |
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| johnx | ahaha | 15:49 |
| johnx | wow infobot is violent | 15:49 |
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| Veggen | But I *would* like it moving even more into the right direction, with making low-level stuff like networking as you mentioned more like debian. | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | I've noticed there aren't exactly a lot of C++ lovers... How come ? | 15:49 |
| * Nermal segfaults | 15:50 | |
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| Jon | alterego: I'd like to see basically enough user-level packages in debian proper that you could flash a pure debian onto the n800, with the right packages pre-selected, and have it be just as useful as maemo. | 15:50 |
| Jon | I'd also like to see lots of maemo packages build without too much trouble on a pure debian environment on a different arch for that matter :-) | 15:51 |
| * Jon pokes at checkout of maemopad+ to this end, now and then | 15:51 | |
| Veggen | Jon: agreed. | 15:51 |
| johnx | these are all things I'm interested in as well | 15:51 |
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| johnx | I'd like to see a more debianized distro for the n8x0 (even it has to be boot-from-sd) and I'd also like to see a maemo environment available for debian armel for other devices (ie zaurus) | 15:52 |
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| mgedmin | what's "more debianized"? | 15:52 |
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| johnx | with a more "official debian" behavior | 15:53 |
| Jon | hmm, boot from sd, hadn't thought about that before. | 15:53 |
| johnx | Jon, makes things a lot safer, more roomy and much more recoverable :) | 15:53 |
| alterego | Slapping maemo onto a zaurus would be hard. The UI isn't very forgiving with small resolution screens. | 15:53 |
| alterego | Slapping it onto the EeePC would be fine. Though no touch screen :) | 15:53 |
| johnx | alterego, I'd be happy enough with getting most hildonized apps to run ok | 15:53 |
| Jon | fewer repositories in my sources.list, more crypto-signed with a key I know | 15:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Divorcing ITOS away from the any specific hardware as much as possible is a good idea. | 15:53 |
| alterego | I think keeping maemo targeted at the tablet UMPC like machines is the best idea. | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Would do a lot to help keep Nokia relevant. | 15:54 |
| pupnik_ | agree with GeneralAntilles | 15:54 |
| Jon | there's this ubuntu mobile thing, if some of that work feeds back into debian that'd be great | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | More hardware for the platform means more users and more developers means more for me. :D | 15:54 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles, selfish pig :P | 15:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the timeframe on Ubuntu Mobile? | 15:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, why else do you think I try and sell as many of these things as possible? | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | selfish cover, but pretty community driven if you ask me | 15:55 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles, infinity the way they're going :P | 15:55 |
| johnx | there IRC channel looks kind of slow :/ | 15:55 |
| johnx | every so often someone drops by says "how can I help?" and doesn't get a response | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or helping out new users | 15:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's all rational self-interest! | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | johnx: yeah, that's called a frankenstein project... | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | every 2 months someone will yell "IT'S ALIVE" | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | but eventually, it'll get burned down to earth | 15:56 |
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| johnx | crashanddie, I thought you meant my idea of "frankensteining" random parts of distros togehter :) | 15:56 |
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| alterego | I think with the EeePC ubuntu mobile will become more active .. | 16:00 |
| alterego | But they've had ample time to hammer something onto the 770 and haven't .. | 16:00 |
| johnx | well, ubuntu doesn't really have an arm/armel port at all | 16:00 |
| johnx | their mobile efforts are aimed at intel x86 | 16:01 |
| johnx | they even dropped ppc | 16:01 |
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| johnx | either way, it really hurts to see debian and ubuntu diverging so much. Debian ending up with a great armel port and ubuntu ending up with a mobile UI project | 16:02 |
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| Jon | debian does have a great armel port, but there's also the distinct emdebian, so it isn't fully integrated into the main OS yet | 16:02 |
| pupnik_ | i blame ubuntu | 16:02 |
| pupnik_ | well.. mostly | 16:02 |
| Jon | I know what you mean johnx, I tend to think of "ubuntu mobile" as being in no way related to ubuntu, really, perhaps treating it like any piece of upstream software from Debian's POV. But "ubuntu" in the title gets it media attention etc. | 16:03 |
| johnx | Jon, is the current armel/eabi port on debian-ports.org connected to the emdebian stuff? | 16:03 |
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| johnx | I thought the current armel stuff was "just a normal port" and the emdebian stuff was ongoing in some other direction? | 16:04 |
| * johnx might be really confused | 16:04 | |
| Jon | ah well; armel is yes, just an ABI-different build of debian. emdebian is different | 16:04 |
| Jon | but I mean, emdebian makes changes to make debian better for embedded environments that it couldn't do in the main distribution; e.g. remove perl from essential, change sh -> dash or !bash, etc. | 16:04 |
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| johnx | ok, I think I understand | 16:05 |
| johnx | random interjection: is there some alternate place where nokia might have package sources? besides http://repository.maemo.org/? | 16:06 |
| johnx | I have bluez-utils 3.22 on my N800 but the latest I can find the package source (or a package at al!) for is 3.20 | 16:07 |
| johnx | maybe this is something to ask on the mailing list ... | 16:07 |
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| alterego | Maybe it's just a patch .. | 16:09 |
| johnx | nevermind | 16:09 |
| johnx | I'm missing a deb-src line | 16:10 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:10 |
| johnx | they sure like having as many repositories as possible O_o | 16:10 |
| johnx | I mean repositories are pretty great but there is such as thing as "too much of a good thing" | 16:10 |
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| alterego | Yeah, shame they're not mirrors for redundancy :P | 16:11 |
| johnx | oh, they're all on the same machine | 16:11 |
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| Jon | yeah, nearly every 3rd party app I install needs yet another repo. nokia,maemo, modest, etc. | 16:12 |
| BuSyAnToS | anyone from maemo project here? | 16:13 |
| johnx | Jon, well, hopefully Jaffa's RFC will make some headway | 16:13 |
| keesj | I missed the subject of this frankenstein story , what are you all talking about? | 16:13 |
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| keesj | johnx: I think Jaffa's RFC stands the same chance as the other initiatives. | 16:14 |
| BuSyAnToS | i have a problem with my discount code who can i contact please? | 16:15 |
| johnx | keesj, the frankenstein thing was used to describe ubuntu mobile (as in, it's kinda lurching around, not really getting anywhere) and also my idea to "frankenstein" maemo/hildon onto debian/armel | 16:15 |
| keesj | it the turn of nokia to move (they must say we need 5 people outside of nokia (or not with the nokia hat one) to decide how to setup the repo) | 16:16 |
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| keesj | johnx: I did not really get it. apparently its the hildong thing that is supposed to be moving i guess. | 16:16 |
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| johnx | keesj, well, there's not much to get. I'm just playing around at this point. | 16:17 |
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| matmo | hi all. How to install OpenSSH on 2007HE (2.2006.48-7)? I keep getting broken install. | 16:39 |
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| Spakman | alterego: I see maemo.rubyx is back up (cool). Although it seems only version 0.3 of the bindings is available. | 16:49 |
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| dhd | lardman: ping | 17:34 |
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| slapin | hi, all! Is it possible to get source code for touchscreen calibration utility from maemo3.x times? | 17:36 |
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| dhd|pong | slapin: there's a calibration utility in tslib, it's probably not the same one though | 17:39 |
| slapin | dhd|pong, well, it is removed by packaging stuff. | 17:40 |
| slapin | dhd|pong, and I was not able to make it work either. | 17:40 |
| dhd|pong | nick dhd | 17:41 |
| dhd|pong | oops | 17:41 |
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| dhd | hmm. I haven't actually tried it myself | 17:41 |
| dhd | I think it wants direct framebuffer access | 17:41 |
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| slapin | dhd, actually I need touchscreen calibrator compatible with maemo 3.x X server | 17:42 |
| slapin | dhd, IIRC there was some tool in control panel for that, no? | 17:42 |
| slapin | since current libxcalibrate and others require new X server to work | 17:43 |
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| dhd | ohhh yeah I remember there being one | 17:44 |
| dhd | I also remember it not really workign for me :) | 17:44 |
| dhd | sorry I'm probably no help here | 17:44 |
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| rene4jazz | does anyone has tried Canola2 on OS 2007 HE? | 17:53 |
| rene4jazz | Canola2 := Canola2 Beta | 17:53 |
| tableteer | rene4jazz doesn't work yet on OS 2007 HE. | 17:54 |
| tableteer | ^Canola2 | 17:54 |
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| waite | Dont want to start fud here, but does anyone know what happenned to Quim? I realized this weekend we have not heard from him in the Dec/Jan timeframe. | 17:59 |
| pupnik_ | he did post to his blog | 18:00 |
| tableteer | He sent some mail today. | 18:00 |
| tableteer | Back from vacation, cleaning up the mess... ;-) | 18:00 |
| waite | hhee Poor Quim. | 18:01 |
| tableteer | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-January/013899.html | 18:01 |
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| tableteer | "Back from holidays. I was more or less aware of the issues (thanks to | 18:01 |
| tableteer | people posting here and there, also in my blog) but without any | 18:01 |
| tableteer | possibility to do much." | 18:01 |
| waite | \Not read it. He must have posted after my gmail synced | 18:02 |
| tableteer | But he tries to help... ;-) | 18:02 |
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| waite | I can't say enough good things about Quim. | 18:03 |
| rene4jazz | oh, ok | 18:03 |
| waite | Skin of flame retarndant leather and heart of gold | 18:03 |
| tableteer | ;-) | 18:03 |
| rene4jazz | tableteer: any timeframe to port to OS 2007 HE? | 18:03 |
| tableteer | rene4jazz: None seen yet. I expect something to happen after the first official release. | 18:04 |
| pupnik_ | any pygame / python friends here want a nice classic game remake to port? | 18:04 |
| tableteer | rene4jazz: In their list of supported platforms they wrote "coming soon". | 18:05 |
| tableteer | "in Q1 2008 there will be a release of the final version of Canola2" | 18:06 |
| tableteer | see also http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/about.html | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | quim++ | 18:07 |
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| zoran | anyone using ezimail? | 18:16 |
| zoran | or some other console mail client aside mutt | 18:16 |
| zoran | for imap | 18:16 |
| johnx | for some reason I remember alpine being available | 18:17 |
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| zoran | like pine/ | 18:17 |
| jott | good ol'e pine finally revived ;) | 18:17 |
| zoran | I reacall pine as not suiting to me as mutt | 18:17 |
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| johnx | Anyone here interested in a2dp? | 18:31 |
| johnx | I've hacked together a .deb that turns on a2dp support for mplayer/kagu | 18:32 |
| pupnik_ | nice | 18:32 |
| johnx | I'd appreciate it if anyone was willing to test it and tell me whether it works ok | 18:32 |
| pupnik_ | <- 7 euro sony headphones | 18:33 |
| niteOwl | johnx: a2dp is bluetooth audio right? My car has BT to talk to my cellphone - I wonder if I could use a2dp to play music in the car? | 18:33 |
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| johnx | pupnik_, bluetooth headphones for that cheap? or just wired? | 18:34 |
| pupnik_ | that would be cool! | 18:34 |
| pupnik_ | wired | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | there are two protocols for bluetooth audio; cellphone headsets usually use sco (8-bit mono) and not a2dp (16-bit stereo). iirc | 18:34 |
| johnx | niteOwl, hmm...probably not. Your car probably only supports the "Headset Protocol" HSP | 18:34 |
| rene4jazz | after a few weeks of use I feel that the OS 2007 HE is not well designed for such a constrained device... just after booting it eats half or more of available ram memory. | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | hsp is probably more accurate than sco | 18:34 |
| mgedmin | sco is the underlying protocol | 18:34 |
| pupnik_ | rene4jazz: is it more than OS2006? | 18:34 |
| niteOwl | mgedmin, johnx: oh well | 18:35 |
| |tbb| | niteOwl im looking forward to a2dp 2 caraudio ;) | 18:35 |
| johnx | so, no one wants to be a guinea pig ... I mean beta tester? | 18:35 |
| niteOwl | tbbj: I think it should be cool too | 18:36 |
| johnx | ah well, I'll just put it up on itt untested. Should be lots of fun. :D | 18:36 |
| |tbb| | but first of all i would be happy about native a2dp support on os2008 | 18:36 |
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| mgedmin | johnx: I wouldn't mind being a guinea pig, of someone supplied the hardware ;) | 18:38 |
| johnx | heh...well if I had another N8x0 and another pair of bluetooth headphones to test it I wouldn't have to get other beta testers :P | 18:39 |
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| rene4jazz | I don't remember well but I think that 2006 is to heavy too (maybe I'll reflash my n770 with OS 2006 to be sure) | 18:40 |
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| tekonivel | I have some good ideas | 19:07 |
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| johnx | tekonivel, Would you like to share them? :) | 19:08 |
| tekonivel | I'd love an rss-reader, that would show a slideshow of items | 19:08 |
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| tekonivel | Thud we could have our IT as a flickr pictoframe or as a newsbulletin machine | 19:09 |
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| tekonivel | First i was thinking about the photo-frame idea for quiver, and then realized that some sort of rss engine would be useful... But why not a more generic application | 19:12 |
| tekonivel | In reality i would prefer to watch all sorts of images all from the same proggie whether they are stored locally, on bluetooth devices or over the net | 19:13 |
| czr | I was thinking of a photoframe some time ago too | 19:13 |
| czr | although it would be nice to have remote control of it (over the network) as well | 19:14 |
| fysa | Canola2 does that. | 19:14 |
| fysa | tekonivel | 19:15 |
| fysa | photocasting with flickr/picasa feeds. | 19:15 |
| tekonivel | czr: yeah, i'm sure several people have envisioned smth similar | 19:15 |
| fysa | using it now.. | 19:15 |
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| tekonivel | fysa: srsly? | 19:15 |
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| fysa | yeah, long-term we are going to tag our photos according to the room we went to show them in | 19:15 |
| tekonivel | fysa: can it browse files over BT too? | 19:16 |
| tekonivel | fysa: wicked | 19:16 |
| tekonivel | I want canola, now! | 19:16 |
| fysa | i.e., 'frontroomphotos' tag -- subscribe to that tag's RSS | 19:16 |
| fysa | voila | 19:16 |
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| fysa | then we can use flickr to manage where photos are shown.. | 19:16 |
| fysa | BT? | 19:16 |
| fysa | photos over bluetooth? | 19:16 |
| fysa | like, from a camera? | 19:17 |
| fysa | that should work, but bluetooth file sending is a push deal | 19:17 |
| fysa | not pull.. | 19:17 |
| fysa | so you'd have to send from the camera/cell to the IT device I believe | 19:17 |
| glass | you can obexftp browse some phones | 19:17 |
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| fysa | I nfs mount my fileserver's photo dir.. | 19:17 |
| tekonivel | Too bad it's not Gnu gpl (i'm awfully stallmannian) | 19:17 |
| johnx | There are a couple wifi cameras IIRC | 19:17 |
| skibur | I'm back at TAMUK | 19:18 |
| johnx | I have no idea how they accomplish file transfer though | 19:18 |
| tekonivel | Only today i installed mediabox | 19:18 |
| fysa | could care less about a license, if someone puts the effort/time into creating something truly useful, they deserve that consideration | 19:18 |
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| tekonivel | Hmm, i don't want a local copy of files over Bt... | 19:19 |
| tekonivel | fysa: i care a lot about licenses, but that's an another story | 19:20 |
| fysa | I care when I need to make a change that should be allowed distribution to someone else's code that would have otherwise died an unmaintained death. | 19:21 |
| tekonivel | I can browse files over Bt in some applications, like the bundled file manager... I'd love to have a slideshow of piccies on my cameraphone | 19:21 |
| tekonivel | I'll give canola a shot, definetely | 19:21 |
| tekonivel | Like, now | 19:22 |
| tekonivel | fysa: thanks for the tip, m8 | 19:23 |
| fysa | np, still in beta and some features are missing but already very promising. | 19:23 |
| fysa | gotta run | 19:23 |
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| tekonivel | Proggies that are not beta are dead | 19:24 |
| fysa | :) | 19:24 |
| tekonivel | a lot of ppl canola even before 2.0B, i gave it a shot too but it was a bit amnoying somehow | 19:25 |
| tekonivel | Yeah, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Gnu gpl | 19:27 |
| tekonivel | I love copyleft | 19:27 |
| tekonivel | <3 | 19:27 |
| k-s[WORK] | tekonivel: I love it too | 19:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | or WE love it too | 19:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | but, we were not able to decide this | 19:28 |
| k-s[WORK] | at least the product is good | 19:28 |
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| tekonivel | Yeah, you can liberate it later ;) | 19:30 |
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| tekonivel | k-s[WORK]: i hear a lot of good about canola, on Ittf | 19:31 |
| johnx | quick question: Does canola use osso-player for media playback or mplayer? | 19:33 |
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| kulve | johnx: I think it uses gst directly | 19:35 |
| johnx | ah | 19:35 |
| johnx | darn | 19:35 |
| tekonivel | The mailcap-idea hasn't caught on Ot, now has it | 19:35 |
| tekonivel | s/Ot/IT/ | 19:36 |
| infobot | tekonivel meant: The mailcap-idea hasn't caught on IT, now has it | 19:36 |
| tekonivel | infobot: thanks, thats a useful feature of you... Not everybody knows all the dialecs of Irc-speak :) | 19:37 |
| infobot | tekonivel: bitte | 19:37 |
| tekonivel | infobot: do you know Eliza? | 19:38 |
| infobot | yes, I know Eliza. | 19:38 |
| tekonivel | LOL | 19:38 |
| tekonivel | I hoped it had said "what makes you think do i know Eliza?" | 19:39 |
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| |tbb| | how can i found out the wlan adapter is online but in powersafe mode if something like this is available? | 19:49 |
| henrique | is there a default voip client available with N810? | 19:51 |
| johnx | henrique, yes. It comes with SIP by default I think | 19:52 |
| pupnik_ | johnx ... http://pupnik.de/daimonin_widget_810.jpg | 19:52 |
| henrique | johnx, and it is a client using telepathy? | 19:53 |
| johnx | henrique, I do not know | 19:53 |
| johnx | pupnik_, that looks great :D | 19:53 |
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| dhd|gone | henrique: yes | 20:00 |
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| tekonivel | Great, now i've got a photocast of fixed gear bikes on my desk, thanks canola!! | 20:03 |
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| tekonivel | Also it's a good option of the OS to not sleep tjen AC is connected | 20:03 |
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| henrique | dhd, is it closed ? | 20:08 |
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| tekonivel | I'm sure in a future version of canola the photocasts loop and autoscale the pics. This is great | 20:11 |
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| bedboi | guys what's used by the gps driver? | 20:15 |
| bedboi | *what's the device | 20:15 |
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| johnx | bedboi, is it /dev/pgps? | 20:19 |
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| bedboi | for some reason when i use navit gpsd takes 100% cpu | 20:22 |
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| johnx | alright, a2dp-support .deb is up here: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=111634#post111634 | 20:22 |
| johnx | people have 6 minutes to ask questions before I go to bed | 20:23 |
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| johnx | Alright. I need sleep now | 20:27 |
| johnx | 'night all | 20:27 |
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| gnuton | Hi | 20:56 |
| b0unc3 | mmm... gronmayer seems to be down.. | 20:56 |
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| fugitivo | hello | 21:07 |
| fugitivo | is the RSS home applet opensource? | 21:07 |
| omar | gronmayer is down? | 21:08 |
| omar | nm, now its working ;) | 21:09 |
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| omar | if i wanted to downgrade my n800 from 08 to 07, will i have any problems? | 21:09 |
| lophyte | if you're flashing, no | 21:09 |
| omar | do i need to use the flasher app, or can i use the nokia windows utility | 21:10 |
| lophyte | I don't know.. never used the nokia windows utility | 21:10 |
| omar | kthnx | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | good evening chaps | 21:22 |
| * lcuk now has usb working on 810 :) | 21:23 | |
| * lcuk is happy | 21:23 | |
| lophyte | does usb hostmode still work on os2008 on an n800? | 21:23 |
| lcuk | it should do | 21:24 |
| lophyte | I never tried to do it with os2007 but I recently updated to 2008 | 21:24 |
| lophyte | it'd be fun to plug in a usb keyboard or something | 21:24 |
| lcuk | on the 810 ive managed it without a cable mod (apart from doctoring a standard large female-female connector | 21:24 |
| lophyte | I was just going to use a powered usb hub | 21:25 |
| lcuk | im using the original nokia firmware update cable because nowhere seems to have the mini plugs on the shelf | 21:25 |
| lophyte | ah | 21:25 |
| lophyte | so you just hacked together a female-female connector | 21:25 |
| lcuk | there is a root mode shell command needed but its all roses after that | 21:26 |
| lophyte | nice.. I'll have to try it when I get home tonight | 21:26 |
| lcuk | yer - i took a pair from an old pci facia with motherboard plugs | 21:26 |
| lcuk | it works through a hub as well | 21:26 |
| lcuk | shell command is: | 21:27 |
| lcuk | echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode | 21:27 |
| lcuk | search google with this as well to find out the other params and modes you may need | 21:27 |
| lophyte | ah, I see it | 21:28 |
| lophyte | nice... thanks | 21:28 |
| lcuk | np :) im just happy to finally have a tab key! | 21:28 |
| lophyte | now I need to find a mini keyboard, lol | 21:28 |
| lcuk | bluetooth will be better in the long run, but for now this will do | 21:28 |
| lcuk | i cannot use this without Having the kickstand on 810 out | 21:29 |
| * lcuk ponders taking it off | 21:30 | |
| lophyte | its too bad i don't have a female-female connector here at work.. I have my nokia usb cable and some keyboards... but no adapter | 21:30 |
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| ds3 | hmmmm SIGINT handler failed :( | 21:37 |
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| lcuk | now, apart from the crows nest of wires i can see if i will be comfortable with coding directly on the device | 21:43 |
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| thopieka1 | hi @ all | 22:01 |
| thopieka1 | when comes the new os out?? | 22:01 |
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| Veggen | uh? which one? | 22:01 |
| Veggen | I haven't heard any more about new OSes. | 22:01 |
| lophyte | OS2008 is already out, thoenig | 22:02 |
| lophyte | er, thopieka1 | 22:02 |
| thopieka1 | 54.4 is out now right?? | 22:02 |
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| thopieka1 | when comes a new one?? | 22:03 |
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| ds3 | what's a good mail program that integrates well with the rest of maemo? | 22:03 |
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| thopieka1 | maemo's e-mail progg | 22:04 |
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| thopieka1 | ^^ | 22:04 |
| ds3 | that one seems to have an annoying bug of not showing message that are not fully HTML (Mime header w/ only a text/plain section) | 22:05 |
| ds3 | i like my mailers to show me everything | 22:05 |
| thopieka1 | try ... | 22:06 |
| thopieka1 | mom | 22:06 |
| thopieka1 | try claws-mail | 22:06 |
| thopieka1 | it should be in the maemo extras repo | 22:06 |
| ds3 | looking at the pages for it, can't figure out what level of integration | 22:06 |
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| BuSyAnToS | i have a problem with my discount code who can i contact please? | 22:27 |
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| fugitivo | welcome to the club | 22:29 |
| * lcuk wishes he knew about discount codes before paying full price | 22:30 | |
| derf | lcuk: No. You don't. | 22:31 |
| lcuk | i gatherf i wouldnt have it yet | 22:31 |
| dhd | how much was the discount anyway? | 22:31 |
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| dhd | actually, more importantly, has anyone used a solar charger with their tablet? I'm looking around for one | 22:32 |
| * dhd wants to take his N810 and N75 on bike tours | 22:32 | |
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| dhd | oooh http://www.solarstyle.com/ | 22:34 |
| jeff1f | there was an itt thread | 22:34 |
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| darx | hi is there a version of skype for maemo that does video? | 22:37 |
| jeff1f | No | 22:38 |
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| jeff1f | gizmo project apparently does | 22:38 |
| jeff1f | Have not tried it though | 22:38 |
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| ds3 | dhd: what area (geographically) and what time of the year are you considering it? | 22:40 |
| dhd | midwest, spring | 22:40 |
| dhd | midwest USA taht is | 22:41 |
| ds3 | dhd: fwiw, I tried it during a train trip and the results were disappointing but that was in Nov | 22:41 |
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| ds3 | the one I used looked like the SC002 on that solarstyle page | 22:41 |
| dhd | ds3: hmm | 22:41 |
| darx | jefflf: thanks | 22:41 |
| ds3 | dhd: other thing to watch out for is the Nokia _NEEDS_ 5.5V to charge. It does not like 5V chargers | 22:42 |
| ds3 | dhd: I plan to try it again in the spring preferablly out doors instead of through a train window | 22:42 |
| Juhaz | not true | 22:42 |
| dhd | yeah the train windows actually block a surprising amount of light | 22:42 |
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| ds3 | dhd: this is the one I used - http://search.geeks.com/search.aspx?SI=ad31e2c3-1b6f-4fc9-a7b2-1716df78d51c&Action=14&AXD=http%3a%2f%2fwww.geeks.com%2fdetails.asp%3finvtid%3dSC1000%26cpc%3dSCH%7eSC1000%7eAOCSolar+SC1000+Solar+Charger+w%2fBuilt-in+Li-ion+Battery%7e15.99 | 22:42 |
| ds3 | bah | 22:42 |
| ds3 | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SC1000&cpc=SCH | 22:43 |
| dhd | that's one hell of a URL, but it worked :) | 22:43 |
| ds3 | cleaner link, sorry about that | 22:43 |
| ds3 | what I found really useful is the Energerizer Energi-to-go brick (4AA's) | 22:43 |
| dhd | hmm, that one is cheaper, the claimed charging time in the sun is about twice as long as the solarstyle one | 22:43 |
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| ds3 | dhd: you plan to do WiFi for comm. or Bt to a phone? | 22:44 |
| dhd | nope but I was hoping to use the GPS | 22:44 |
| ds3 | ah | 22:44 |
| dhd | and occasionally bluetooth to a phone | 22:44 |
| ds3 | as a tracker I assume? | 22:44 |
| dhd | yeah | 22:45 |
| ds3 | my biggest problem on the train was keeping the phone powered (probally crappy 2 year old batteries) | 22:45 |
| ds3 | I'd point you to my rants on it except it is located on a private server at the moment | 22:45 |
| dhd | I do wonder how much CPU time and power maemo-mapper or the Nokia map application uses when tracking via GPS | 22:46 |
| dhd | I guess it depends on whether auto-center is turned on | 22:46 |
| dhd | obviously on a bike, voice-directed navigation isn't very useful :) | 22:47 |
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| dhd | but I'd like to be able to use it over a 6-hour ride or so | 22:47 |
| ds3 | Based on some crude experiments, don't use the built in Map app. | 22:47 |
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| ds3 | Maemo mapper actually seems decent power wise | 22:47 |
| ds3 | the built in Map app drains the batteries faster then the car fuel gage :( | 22:48 |
| lcuk | 3d view or normal? and with wifi on as well? | 22:49 |
| * dhd wonders what a good phone is that does EDGE and Bluetooth and has good battery life | 22:49 | |
| * dhd notes that N-series phones do not have good battery life :( | 22:49 | |
| ds3 | lcuk: normal, bluetooth network connection | 22:49 |
| fugitivo | dhd: for example? | 22:49 |
| ds3 | old Treos aren't doing too well in the battery dept either | 22:49 |
| lcuk | crikey this seems ok battery wise but no bt - 810 | 22:50 |
| timely | ds3: try tinymail | 22:50 |
| fugitivo | i have a nokia 8801, that's a battery killer :) | 22:50 |
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| ds3 | timely: I will look into that | 22:50 |
| ds3 | best I get food, it is almost 1 | 22:50 |
| tekonivel | Anybody here active on Tablettalk? Is there a forum or thread where ppl introduce themselves | 22:51 |
| hachi | holy crap, whoever told me the builtin mail client on maemo is bad, was right | 22:51 |
| hachi | asking me every time I delete an IMAP email whether I want to delete it on the server | 22:51 |
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| tekonivel | I cannot find one :/ | 22:51 |
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| dhd | fugitivo: N75 ... barely lasts a day on a charge, of course if AT&T allowed you to switch it to GSM it would be a lot better | 22:52 |
| dhd | time to unlock it | 22:52 |
| fugitivo | i'm looking for a phone with good battery life | 22:53 |
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| fugitivo | I'm tired of my 8801, it needs to be on the charging base all day long | 22:53 |
| pupnik810 | Test | 22:54 |
| pupnik810 | Pidgin is not very good for irc | 22:55 |
| dhd | this solar charger looks great, but where the heck to you buy it ... http://www.soldius.com/ourproducts.html | 22:55 |
| fugitivo | pupnik810: why? | 22:55 |
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| fugitivo | dhd: really nice | 22:56 |
| dhd | oh, here it is ... http://www.mysolidus.com/ | 22:56 |
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| omar | dhd, http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/giftsforhim/7d34/ | 22:58 |
| fugitivo | dhd: $90 is a good price | 22:58 |
| dhd | ah-ha | 22:58 |
| dhd | the question is, is it compatible | 22:59 |
| fugitivo | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/detail/ | 22:59 |
| fugitivo | you try first :) | 22:59 |
| dhd | haha | 22:59 |
| fugitivo | Nokia 770 | 22:59 |
| fugitivo | check that page | 22:59 |
| dhd | oh there it is... | 22:59 |
| fugitivo | i think i'm going to buy one | 22:59 |
| fugitivo | it comes with 7 adapter tips | 23:00 |
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| omar | wow | 23:00 |
| omar | i think im goign to get one too | 23:00 |
| dhd | the only drawback is that it doesn't have a battery inside like the solarstyle one | 23:02 |
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| fugitivo | dhd: so no sun no power? | 23:03 |
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| dhd | yeah, it's strictly a charger, although it looks like it would probably do a good job keeping your battery topped up with enough light | 23:04 |
| fugitivo | does it have limited life? | 23:04 |
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| * Jaffa wonders to spend time now working out if Mikhail Sobolev's "extras promotion interface" blows the need for his RFC out of the water. | 23:20 | |
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| timely | heh | 23:20 |
| Jaffa | given it's not clear which column is which, I'm struggling to make head or tails of it. So may retire and have a nice cup of tea and a sit down. | 23:21 |
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| MoRpHeUz | Jaffa: what is this "interface" stuff about ? I just lost some mail =/ | 23:23 |
| Jaffa | MoRpHeUz: see most recent maemo-developers post | 23:24 |
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| MoRpHeUz | hhmm | 23:26 |
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| ds3 | hmm | 23:42 |
| pupnik810 | hi | 23:45 |
| ds3 | Did I miss something during initial setup or does the device never actually ask what your home city is during initial setup? | 23:46 |
| pupnik810 | why is there a huge bar at the bottom of xterm on os2008.. *ontaining the letters abc | 23:46 |
| pupnik810 | massive waste of screen | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | You put buttons there. | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Buttons and shortcuts. | 23:48 |
| lcuk | pup, its from the 810 | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, that. | 23:48 |
| pupnik810 | ok the abc is related to hildon input | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The autocomplete for the N810. | 23:48 |
| lcuk | you disable it in control pane' | 23:48 |
| tekonivel | I preferref them on the side | 23:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I preferred them when they didn't suck. | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | do you use osk? | 23:49 |
| ds3 | OSK? | 23:49 |
| lcuk | on screen keyboard | 23:49 |
| ds3 | OSK is also a development board for OMAPs | 23:49 |
| lcuk | ahhhh | 23:50 |
| lcuk | gen - i got host mode working with nokia cable and my female-female dongle | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice work. | 23:50 |
| lcuk | but now its stopped again :( | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Beat it with a stick. | 23:50 |
| tekonivel | I do use Oak | 23:50 |
| lcuk | there is a shell cmd to force host | 23:51 |
| lcuk | i was thinking of that | 23:51 |
| lcuk | i will redo it later and get reproducable results | 23:51 |
| maddler | pupnik_: that "abc" bar comes out whenever you are using keyboard | 23:51 |
| maddler | pupnik_: btw... I agree... waste of space... | 23:52 |
| * lcuk will use the hub he bought | 23:52 | |
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| ds3 | lcuk, someguy posted a bunch of scripts to do it from a menu selection | 23:52 |
| tekonivel | maddler: great for emacs users | 23:52 |
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| lcuk | maddler / pup you get rid with control panel text input and the language tab settings | 23:52 |
| maddler | lemme see... | 23:53 |
| tekonivel | I wish pressing ctrl would conjure osk directly | 23:53 |
| maddler | tekonivel: I'm not talking about xterm shortcuts... ;) | 23:53 |
| tekonivel | Onscreen ctrl i mean | 23:53 |
| lcuk | ds3 i saw them but its just flaked out on me - i got comfy closed the shell sat down pressed a key and it was gone | 23:53 |
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| ds3 | oh | 23:54 |
| tekonivel | maddler: i am :^) | 23:54 |
| lcuk | was looking positively promising | 23:54 |
| inz | Hmm, would ultrastar work on the tablets ;) | 23:54 |
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| lcuk_2 | thats better | 23:54 |
| * lcuk_2 stretches his fingers | 23:54 | |
| maddler | tekonivel: hehehe... shortcuts are great with Screen as well :D | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, not enough power? | 23:54 |
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| maddler | lcuk: it works! thx! | 23:55 |
| lcuk_2 | there was at first im not sure though | 23:55 |
| lcuk_2 | ive got a powered hub so i will test later | 23:55 |
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| defishguy | hi all. maemo extras fails for me with a 401 Unauthorized when I attempt to use the repo. All of the other repos work fine. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm running chinook. | 23:55 |
| tekonivel | maddler: yup, maybe therecould be sets of them | 23:55 |
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| maddler | tekonivel: yes, sets could help... emacs... screen... irssi... | 23:57 |
| hachi | is there a way to get modest to use a smaller font? | 23:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like the sets idea. -> bugs.maemo.org | 23:57 |
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| maddler | hachi: nope... not yet at least... | 23:58 |
| maddler | GeneralAntilles: :) | 23:58 |
| tekonivel | GeneralAntilles: while at it, maybe option to have/them by the side plskthx | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | -> bugs.maemo.org | 23:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd do two enhancement requests | 23:59 |
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