IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-01-13

Epeloon	i checked for updates, and i found an update for "maps"	00:00
melmoth	all i know about is it comes with more python goodness (as far as i know there are no gnome-fvs nor gnome-gconf python module for the python2.5 in the non hacker edition)	00:00
Delio	FM is legacy technology ;)	00:00
Epeloon	i tried to download it but i get a message saying that the update can't be done because they are nor from the same provider	00:00
Epeloon	so, can someone help me with that? Thanks.	00:00
Delio	Epeloon: yes and it tells you it cannot be installed right?	00:01
Epeloon	yes :D	00:01
Delio	1. remove maps	00:01
Delio	2. install maps	00:01
Delio	3. be merry	00:01
Delio	;)	00:01
Epeloon	? remove what i have?	00:01
Delio	yes	00:01
Epeloon	where can i found it?	00:01
Epeloon	control panel?	00:01
Delio	I think it is listed in the 'installed applications'	00:02
Epeloon	ah ok, thanks	00:02
Epeloon	another small question	00:02
GeneralAntilles	Delio, the N800 is the better than the N810, anyway.	00:02
Epeloon	is this map better than using maemomapper with google maps?	00:02
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Delio	you have to try it out, it depends. I find meamomapper to be a pain when zooming in/out	00:03
Epeloon	:D	00:03
Epeloon	ah ok	00:03
Epeloon	If i use it with a GPS will i get direction with voice?	00:03
Delio	GeneralAntilles: do you think? I believe I can live without a KB and the N800 is pretty good for the price.	00:03
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GeneralAntilles	sxpert, well, considering they couldn't even put a decent SD slot in. :P	00:04
Delio	Epeloon: for 7 days trial, then you have to fork over some $$$	00:04
GeneralAntilles	The fullscreen-keyboard is pretty good, anyway.	00:04
sxpert	GeneralAntilles, heh	00:04
Epeloon	Euhh ...? I thought it was free :D	00:04
GeneralAntilles	You want maemo mapper for free	00:04
Delio	ah true... the SD slot :(	00:04
sxpert	Epeloon, openstreetmap what you're looking for	00:04
Epeloon	is maemo mapper free or not?	00:04
sxpert	maemo mapper uses it	00:05
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GeneralAntilles	Of course it's better. Cheaper, lighter, better storage, better buttons.	00:05
Epeloon	ok, so the maps are not free but mamemo mapper, the program, is free, right?	00:05
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sxpert	hmm. no	00:05
Epeloon	:D	00:05
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l7	some of the maps that maemo mapper users are copyrighted	00:06
sxpert	you have the maps program that uses proprietary maps and has to be paid for	00:06
l7	some are not i guess	00:06
Delio	GeneralAntilles: I ordered a 16Gb SD, hopefully it will work. It should. I just hope they haven't put some hardwired limitations somewhere	00:06
sxpert	and you have maemo mapper which uses openstreetmap data (which is free)	00:06
GeneralAntilles	Epeloon, maps for "Map" are free	00:06
Epeloon	ok, i have a better question for that :D	00:06
GeneralAntilles	navigation is nnot	00:06
GeneralAntilles	everything is free for maemo mapper.	00:06
Epeloon	What most users here use for GPS location (with and w/o voice) and which is Free :D?	00:07
l7	that built in map program for os2008 is pretty lousy though	00:07
GeneralAntilles	maemo mapper.	00:07
sxpert	Epeloon, also, you can participate in making better openstreetmap data	00:07
GeneralAntilles	maemo mapper also uses VirtualEarth and Google	00:07
Epeloon	is openstreetmap working with maemo mapper?	00:07
l7	yes	00:07
l7	i've been wondering why google's hybrid maps are not supported	00:08
l7	granted, VE's hybrid maps are pretty good too	00:08
Epeloon	sp, if i use maemo mapper with Google, what should pay? everything is free in this case, no?	00:08
sxpert	Epeloon, might not be totally legal though	00:08
Epeloon	why?	00:08
Epeloon	Google maps are available for free on web	00:08
Epeloon	it's like opening a website and look for a direction, no?	00:09
sxpert	Epeloon, yeah, but you don't get to see the ads	00:09
Khertan	PYTHON HOME PLUGIN WORK !!!!ù	00:09
Khertan	Yeah ...	00:09
Khertan	pffff	00:09
l7	i don't remember seeing ads on google map's website	00:10
l7	it might be a TOS violation though	00:10
Epeloon	ads? where? i never saw ads on maps.google.ca	00:10
sxpert	there's one thing though with maemo mapper, in that it doesn't start gpsd	00:10
Epeloon	:D	00:10
melmoth	Khertan: bravo !	00:10
sxpert	and then it complains about not being able to find the GPS (obviously)	00:10
melmoth	I gave up becasue i was not even able to compile the patched qemu...	00:11
l7	how do you start gpsd then?	00:11
Khertan	melmoth: thx	00:11
Delio	khertan: which plugin is that? :)	00:11
Khertan	i can now start to make many plugin ...	00:11
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Khertan	Delio: homememstat.py	00:11
Epeloon	is there a simple way to install maemomapper? how should i do it?	00:12
Khertan	a python home plugin	00:12
melmoth	Khertan: please post any change you have made to the garage owner, and push for a release :)	00:12
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Khertan	need some test ...	00:12
Khertan	but i ve some time tomorrow	00:12
melmoth	weekends++	00:12
Delio	khertan: err yes but what does it do? ;-P	00:13
melmoth	Delio: it should let one create those desktop applet in python.	00:13
Delio	great stuff	00:13
sxpert	Epeloon, go to maemo.org, and find it in the list of programs	00:14
Epeloon	i found the "maemo-mapper.install". So, what shoud i do after that?	00:14
Epeloon	and i fould also the .deb i think	00:14
Epeloon	found	00:15
GeneralAntilles	Just install it from Extras	00:15
GeneralAntilles	It'll be in App Manager.	00:15
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GeneralAntilles	l7, because the hybrid maps aren't bitmaps	00:15
GeneralAntilles	they're hybridized by the AJAX	00:15
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GeneralAntilles	sxpert, you sure?	00:16
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GeneralAntilles	I'm pretty certain that was fixed in a more recent version.	00:16
Epeloon	i doanload the .deb using the browser on my n800 and i'll found it on the APP Extras?	00:16
GeneralAntilles	Application Manager	00:16
GeneralAntilles	Do you have the Extras repository enabled?	00:16
Epeloon	:D	00:16
Epeloon	sorry, i mean APP manager	00:16
Epeloon	i don't think so	00:17
GeneralAntilles	In maemo, pretty much all of your application installing should be done through the Application Manager.	00:17
Epeloon	this is a new tablet	00:17
GeneralAntilles	Open it up	00:17
sxpert	GeneralAntilles, yeah. I just installed it	00:17
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Epeloon	ok	00:17
GeneralAntilles	Go to the the menu	00:17
GeneralAntilles	Go to Tools	00:17
GeneralAntilles	edit the repositories	00:17
GeneralAntilles	tap on Extra	00:17
GeneralAntilles	s	00:17
GeneralAntilles	enable it	00:17
GeneralAntilles	(uncheck disabled)	00:18
Epeloon	it is still loading :)	00:18
Epeloon	sorry, but where can i find the menu -> tools?	00:19
Epeloon	i have os2008	00:19
GeneralAntilles	Tap the menu	00:19
GeneralAntilles	The application menu	00:19
GeneralAntilles	up at the top.	00:19
Epeloon	with 4 squares?	00:20
Epeloon	in the menu button?	00:21
Epeloon	i found only set background ... theme .. help	00:22
l7	GeneralAntilles: ah, good to know. good thing VE's are bitmaps	00:22
Epeloon	ok, i found Tools in the Apllication manager	00:23
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spirytusick	lo all	00:24
Epeloon	i found maemo extras, but it looks disabled	00:24
lcuk	direct keyboard does not work. i will check with a powered hub tomorrow.	00:24
Epeloon	i did it, enabled :)	00:24
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Epeloon	after downloading maemo mapper, what can i use it? is there a website for maemomappere newbie? thanks.	00:26
drwx	hi, is it possible to have a java virtual machine on maemo?	00:26
GeneralAntilles	It's got a great built-in help, Epeloon.	00:27
GeneralAntilles	I wrote up an intro guide on ITT	00:27
GeneralAntilles	You should be able to find it if you search.	00:27
rm_you	morning :)	00:27
GeneralAntilles	drwx, only for console apps.	00:27
drwx	GeneralAntilles, do you know where I can found it?	00:28
Epeloon	thanks general, i'll look for it	00:28
GeneralAntilles	Somewhere	00:28
GeneralAntilles	Google it.	00:28
Delio	morning rm	00:28
Delio	you guys think a 16Gb SD should work?	00:28
melmoth	haha, if your project use the garage svn repository, have a look looking for it there: http://www.ohloh.net/	00:29
GeneralAntilles	Delio, cards up to 2048GB will work.	00:29
lcuk	morning rm	00:29
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spirytusick	Dello: I suppose if it's SDHC then it should	00:29
drwx	I used mono on my N800, and I did some programs : http://graphmonkey.sourceforge.net/maemo/maemo.html	00:29
lcuk	will give you a bug report after watching tv with missus was just leaving	00:29
Delio	well that is what SDHC standard says...	00:29
melmoth	nice statistics + there a funny Project Cost estimator :)	00:29
spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: But not with FAT32 :)... it should be called THIN32 btw...	00:29
lcuk	back later	00:30
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rm_you	lol	00:30
* spirytusick wonders whether the PowerVR core will ever be usable from N8x0...		00:35
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GeneralAntilles	Dunno	00:37
cgreer	Hello, when I put in my memory card it says that it is "corrupted or unformatted"	00:37
GeneralAntilles	I'm still betting it's an issue with the LCD controller.	00:37
GeneralAntilles	Then format it, cgreer!	00:37
Delio	is it used for anything at the moment?	00:37
cgreer	I tried reformatting it with the file manager	00:37
cgreer	It doesn't work	00:38
GeneralAntilles	PowerVR? No.	00:38
DuneSandWorm	if you have a digital camera it might gix it.	00:38
GeneralAntilles	But we're not using the chip's LCD controller	00:38
GeneralAntilles	It's a 3rd party controller	00:39
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GeneralAntilles	which, I think, is part of the reason we're not using PowerVR	00:39
spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: Even if the Cpu is exactly the same as with other PoverVER products and N800 is listed as one of the devices using it on povervr page ?	00:39
GeneralAntilles	and THE reason we're not using the hardware video acceleration	00:39
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spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: well there was the radio no one thought it is there ...	00:39
spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: then the app appeared	00:39
spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: Perhaps the battery toll was not worth the speed up but it would be cool to have a gpu around...	00:41
GeneralAntilles	Different issue	00:41
GeneralAntilles	There aren't technical issues with using the FM chip.	00:41
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rm_you	GeneralAntilles: are there issues with the PowerVR? like, if someone had code that ran on it... we couldn't try to make it work? or is it like the DSP, where just like no one knows how to write for it :P	00:42
spirytusick	Assuming the hardware is in place someone skilled enough should be able to utilise it.	00:43
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spirytusick	even if it was just for scaling the images in the viewer...	00:44
Epeloon	how can i know the processor speed of n800 using os2008?	00:44
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GeneralAntilles	rm_you, well, we don't have drivers	00:46
GeneralAntilles	so there's no way to use it.	00:46
rm_you	:/	00:46
rm_you	shouldn't it be... NOKIA's job to write those?	00:46
GeneralAntilles	My belief, is that the reason we don't have them is because the performance with the 3rd party LCD controller is going to be sub-par, so Nokia decided not to have them written.	00:47
GeneralAntilles	cat /proc/cpuinfo	00:47
rm_you	>_>	00:47
rm_you	GeneralAntilles: cpuinfo doesnt list it tho :/	00:47
rm_you	on mine at least	00:47
spirytusick	it's like buying a new hybrid car only to find out that the petrol engine is there but they forgot to fit the tank	00:47
GeneralAntilles	bogomips	00:47
GeneralAntilles	Bull, spirytusick.	00:47
rm_you	oh hey... it does now :P	00:48
GeneralAntilles	Nokia never advertised it.	00:48
GeneralAntilles	It's an SoC	00:48
GeneralAntilles	They couldn't have use the chip without it.	00:48
rm_you	lol	00:48
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spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: Even though, I think they missed big on that	00:48
GeneralAntilles	What other option did they have?	00:48
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GeneralAntilles	There weren't any other chips to use.	00:48
Zic	re	00:48
spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: simply to release the drivers	00:49
rm_you	wait, powervr is part of what chip?	00:49
Delio	GeneralAntilles: other products using the powerVR?	00:49
spirytusick	they do have experience with those on all newer N-series phones	00:49
rm_you	i thought it was a seperate chip	00:49
GeneralAntilles	So they had to use a 3rd party controller to drive 800x480	00:49
\|tbb\|	why is it there if no1 use it	00:49
GeneralAntilles	No, rm_you, it's part of the OMAP core	00:49
spirytusick	n93, n95, e90, n95-8gb all use the same chip	00:49
rm_you	ah	00:50
jott	basically the main drivers are provided by imagination technology.. (as closed source ones)	00:50
spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: no one needs the full screen	00:50
GeneralAntilles	Because you can't get the OMAP core without the video decoder and the PowerVR.	00:50
GeneralAntilles	spirytusick, the end user is going to expect it to work a certain way, and it wont.	00:50
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GeneralAntilles	I don't AGREE with the fact that they didn't provide drivers.	00:50
GeneralAntilles	I'm just telling you my reasoning as to why I believe that they haven't.	00:50
Moox	hi there. I have a problem using mediaserv and videocenter. Can you help me ?	00:50
spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: ackowledged	00:50
jott	so getting them is more of a political issue (besides the technical restrictions with the lcd)	00:51
jott	and a financial too ..	00:51
GeneralAntilles	Nokia would have to pay to get the drivers.	00:51
GeneralAntilles	For various reasons, they don't want to.	00:51
GeneralAntilles	Now, the N900	00:51
spirytusick	jott: nokia and povervr are already partners	00:51
GeneralAntilles	that's gonna be another story.	00:51
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GeneralAntilles	That HAS to be the OMAP3430	00:51
spirytusick	the core libs and dev pack can be downloaded from povervr website	00:51
jott	spirytusick: they still would have to pay for licensing the linux drivers..	00:51
GeneralAntilles	whose LCD controller can handle up to 1024x768	00:52
spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: probably not out until next x-mass	00:52
GeneralAntilles	so we're almost certainly getting the hardware video decoding and OpenGL ES acceleration.	00:52
GeneralAntilles	I'd put my money on Summer.	00:52
GeneralAntilles	Well, I'd put my hopeful thinking money on Summer.	00:52
GeneralAntilles	2 years without a real upgrade is a long time.	00:52
spirytusick	:)	00:52
GeneralAntilles	spirytusick, the important part of the driver is still a binary blob.	00:53
spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: true, I just hope they get it right this time	00:53
Moox	nobody is using mediaserv here ?	00:53
GeneralAntilles	and, no, the N810 is not a real upgrade.	00:53
GeneralAntilles	Moox, what's the problem?	00:53
spirytusick	Moox: I do not	00:53
spirytusick	GeneralAntilles: that's why I bought n800	00:53
Delio	http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/Downloads/index.asp?download=true&f=SDK_OGLES-1.1_LINUX_MV_ARMV6_2.01.21.0983.tar.gz&RequestedSDK=true	00:53
spirytusick	cheper and save for the lack of keyboard and gps (which my phone can server up) is the same	00:53
Moox	GeneralAntilles, I want to use videocenter but I get an "invalid service address" when I fill the url field with the RSS url	00:54
GeneralAntilles	Does mediaserv work for normal transcoding?	00:54
Moox	yes	00:54
spirytusick	brb	00:54
GeneralAntilles	You're not using EPG or the Internet TV fields, right?	00:54
* petergunn666 is reading about OMAP chips		00:54
Moox	yes, internet tv ..	00:54
GeneralAntilles	That's not what you want	00:55
GeneralAntilles	You want the RSS feed field.	00:55
petergunn666	OMAP3420 - 550mhz, 30% less power	00:55
GeneralAntilles	Internet video	00:55
GeneralAntilles	3430 is the one to look at	00:55
Moox	GeneralAntilles, in 'service type ?	00:55
GeneralAntilles	3420 has a less-capable LCD controller	00:55
GeneralAntilles	Yessir, Moox.	00:55
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Moox	GeneralAntilles, I have only Internet video, internet tv, remote epg	00:56
petergunn666	Looks like they are just ramping up production	00:56
GeneralAntilles	You want Internet Video	00:56
GeneralAntilles	It'd probably piss the N810 owners to have an upgrade as soon as Summer	00:56
GeneralAntilles	but I can only hope.	00:56
Moox	GeneralAntilles,ok, tried but same problem wih intenet videos	00:57
GeneralAntilles	Did you try adding the feed with the little video center button on the mediaserv-served website?	00:57
GeneralAntilles	There's a little button for Video Center up next to the RSS feed near the top	00:57
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Moox	no I copied the rss link as in the demo video	00:58
GeneralAntilles	It WORKSFORME over here	00:58
GeneralAntilles	Try the link	00:58
GeneralAntilles	Other than that, talk to Jaffa.	00:58
GeneralAntilles	I want some specs on the IVA 2+	00:59
GeneralAntilles	Well, the specs for the video side of the DSP.	00:59
rm_you	Is there anything out even mentioning such a thing as an n900? or is it entirely speculation at this point?	00:59
GeneralAntilles	It's entirely logical speculation.	01:00
rm_you	well in that case	01:00
GeneralAntilles	It's coming, of course.	01:00
GeneralAntilles	texrat has said as much	01:00
rm_you	i speculate that it goddamn better have better storage than one miniSD >_<	01:00
GeneralAntilles	But there isn't any concrete info on it so far.	01:00
GeneralAntilles	and no more damn sliders.	01:00
rm_you	lol, not a slider fan?	01:01
GeneralAntilles	http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&contentId=4671	01:01
GeneralAntilles	That's what we've got now.	01:01
GeneralAntilles	http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12643&contentId=14649	01:01
rm_you	i didn't mind the one on my Zaurus CL-5500	01:01
GeneralAntilles	Compared to this awesomeness.	01:01
Moox	GeneralAntilles, seems not working, not responding with the second button ,.	01:01
rm_you	i need to fix xchat so i can actually copy/paste links out of it	01:02
GeneralAntilles	Bug Jaffa, then.	01:02
GeneralAntilles	on maemo, rm_you?	01:02
rm_you	typing them in is annoying :/	01:02
rm_you	no	01:02
GeneralAntilles	Oh, the broken Windows xchat?	01:02
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rm_you	Silverex's xchat build for windows	01:02
GeneralAntilles	Yeah.	01:02
rm_you	:/	01:02
lcuk	xchat works with right click/hold of pen	01:02
rm_you	it works for like 6 hours or so	01:02
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GeneralAntilles	Hehe	01:02
* GeneralAntilles uses Colloquy.		01:02
rm_you	and then i can't copy ANYTHING out of it	01:02
rm_you	i could be using 54Script >_>	01:02
rm_you	but i like xchat better... damnit	01:03
rm_you	maybe i will run 54script in the background just to /msg myself links	01:03
GeneralAntilles	The increased capabilities of the IVA2+ enables multi-standard (MPEG4, H264, Windows Media Video, RealVideo etc.) encode and decode at DVD resolutions.	01:03
GeneralAntilles	Ehehehe	01:03
GeneralAntilles	The OMAP3 can evidently handle 720p, too.	01:04
GeneralAntilles	Just let the whiners complain about the N900's video playback. :D	01:04
rm_you	:P	01:04
\|tbb\|	anyone else got problems to view itt website on the n810, sometimes th thanks gif is big as hell	01:04
GeneralAntilles	Change the layout to "Classic"	01:05
skibur	?	01:05
GeneralAntilles	With the PowerVR in that thing, we should be able to run Quake3 just fine.	01:05
lcuk	with the powervr in this thing we should be able to	01:06
* lcuk wants a skeleton key		01:06
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rm_you	clone42: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&contentId=4671 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12643&contentId=14649	01:06
\|tbb\|	where to switch that ?	01:06
GeneralAntilles	Down at the bottom of the forum pages.	01:07
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lcuk	tbb - apparanty once you are a member you can change the setting	01:07
lcuk	gen - this is membership only thing isnt it?	01:07
GeneralAntilles	Guess so.	01:07
\|tbb\|	ah i found it thx	01:08
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skibur	there	01:10
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hachi	hurray, syslogger daemon on my maemo	01:33
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dhd\|gone	can the n810 act as a bluetooth gps receiver?	01:42
GeneralAntilles	For another device?	01:42
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dhd	yeah	01:42
GeneralAntilles	Probably, but you'd have to set up some sort of gpsd-to-bluetooth tunnel.	01:43
GeneralAntilles	Actually, is the other device networked?	01:43
dhd	ah	01:43
dhd	yes, but	01:43
dhd	only over umts :)	01:44
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l7	hey, does anyone know how to use an n800 as a remote control for itunes?	01:44
GeneralAntilles	Cellphone, then?	01:45
hugolp	anyone here know how to install mysql-client on OS2008?	01:45
* dhd was just curious if the n810 could handle gps for the google maps on nis s60 phone		01:45
dhd	yeah	01:45
GeneralAntilles	l7 on OS X or Windows?	01:45
GeneralAntilles	Oh, on a phone.	01:45
GeneralAntilles	I doubt it.	01:45
l7	GeneralAntilles: on os X	01:45
GeneralAntilles	Maybe with PAn	01:45
GeneralAntilles	but not with DUN	01:45
GeneralAntilles	l7, look at Remote Buddy	01:45
GeneralAntilles	they have an iPhone httpd thing that works great	01:45
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dhd	the gpsd to bluetooth tunnel idea sounds possible	01:45
GeneralAntilles	or any of the php/http iTunes remote stuff will work.	01:46
GeneralAntilles	Personally, I'd just install mpd from DarwinPorts.	01:46
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GeneralAntilles	mmpc is very cool	01:46
l7	GeneralAntilles: hrm, neat	01:46
l7	ah maybe mpd is better	01:46
l7	if it's free	01:46
GeneralAntilles	It is.	01:46
dhd	google maps for s60 is much nicer than the nokia map program...	01:46
GeneralAntilles	DarwinPorts should have a recent version.	01:46
GeneralAntilles	dhd, why not just use maemo mapper?	01:47
dhd	ah... will try it	01:47
GeneralAntilles	It's google maps.	01:47
l7	remote buddy does have a nice kind of polish	01:47
GeneralAntilles	Except not on a crappy S60 screen. :P	01:47
l7	but i don't feel like paying :)	01:47
dhd	oh nice, i didn't realize that	01:47
* GeneralAntilles whistles.		01:47
GeneralAntilles	Go with mpd, then.	01:47
GeneralAntilles	The rest of the iTunes http remotes are pretty gross/or old as hell (like, 10.1 old)	01:48
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GeneralAntilles	dhd, it's in Chinook Extras	01:48
GeneralAntilles	So you can install it through Application Manager as long as you un-disabled Extras.	01:48
l7	how would you get remote buddy to work with the n800 by the way?	01:49
GeneralAntilles	Just enable their iPhone http page.	01:49
GeneralAntilles	and use that.	01:49
l7	aah	01:49
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GeneralAntilles	The gradients look really bad on 16-bit, but it works fine.	01:49
GeneralAntilles	Let's hope the N900 has more colors.	01:49
l7	indeed	01:50
l7	i think the n800's screen is better than the iphone's in most respects	01:50
GeneralAntilles	Really, mpd works really nicely.	01:50
GeneralAntilles	The iPhone's screen looks really nice	01:50
GeneralAntilles	it's a beautiful device	01:50
GeneralAntilles	just doesn't have the resolution (which is why they can afford more colors)	01:51
Tama	N8x0 doesn't work really well and you are talking about N900....	01:51
GeneralAntilles	My N800 works fine for me.	01:51
GeneralAntilles	The N8x0 will have the exact same software as the N900	01:51
l7	how well does mpd interface with itunes?	01:51
GeneralAntilles	so I don't see a problem with talking about new hardware	01:51
GeneralAntilles	it's not like new hardware is taking away maemo resources for new software.	01:52
GeneralAntilles	I haven't bothered to look, l7.	01:52
GeneralAntilles	I just let mpd play the music.	01:52
l7	i guess maybe it just plays back the itunes library through mpd?	01:52
GeneralAntilles	Use iTunes when I'm sitting down at the machine	01:52
Tama	no I exposed you, you are a troll ;_; lol	01:52
GeneralAntilles	and mpd when I'm around the house/apartment with a device.	01:52
l7	i guess that means no smart playlists	01:52
GeneralAntilles	I bet somebody has cooked up an mpd-to-iTunes interface	01:53
GeneralAntilles	It would be a fairly straightforward thing to do.	01:53
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l7	hrm, i guess i'll look into it later	01:54
GeneralAntilles	Just install darwinports	01:55
GeneralAntilles	then run port install mpd	01:55
GeneralAntilles	It's pretty straightforward	01:55
l7	i was hoping to use the n800 as a remote controller for itunes through my airport express	01:55
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l7	i guess playing music through the n800 and skipping the airport express is about the same thing	01:56
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GeneralAntilles	There are 3rd party apps that'll play anything through the Airport Express, right?	01:56
GeneralAntilles	Just have them route mpd's sound to it.	01:56
l7	GeneralAntilles: yeah, there is one called airfoil	01:57
l7	i'm not aware of any others	01:57
GeneralAntilles	Then use that.	01:57
l7	oh right	01:57
GeneralAntilles	The mmpc interface is REALLY slick.	01:57
l7	that would be a pretty slick solution	01:57
GeneralAntilles	It's basically like having the media play on the device	01:57
l7	then the n800 is the unwired remote	01:57
GeneralAntilles	you just hear it from something else. :P	01:57
l7	heh	01:57
GeneralAntilles	I have mmpc on all my maemo devices.	01:57
GeneralAntilles	Too bad I'm only in a 1-bedroom apartment.	01:58
l7	i suppose you could do the same thing with 2 maemo devices	01:58
GeneralAntilles	Yeah	01:58
Luria	so, i just got an ee	01:58
GeneralAntilles	I have 2 770s and an N800	01:58
l7	or however many maemo devices you wanted ;)	01:58
Luria	um, eee	01:58
GeneralAntilles	they can all control the same mpd	01:58
GeneralAntilles	at the same time.	01:58
GeneralAntilles	Luria, for a second there, I thought you saw a spider. :P	01:58
Luria	yeah	01:58
l7	an irc spider?	01:58
Luria	wow, this distro's gotta go	01:58
Luria	boy did they make it look like windows xp dumb edition	01:59
Luria	apparently i was the first person ever to ask the salesperson if there was a terminal icon out of the box	01:59
GeneralAntilles	Ha	02:01
GeneralAntilles	Where did you buy it?	02:01
hachi	okay, so over lunch today I tried to use my n810 to connect to the internet over GPRS through my phone	02:01
shack008n	Luria: what distro?	02:01
Luria	rcs experience	02:01
hachi	and I've got a new error	02:01
Luria	mid/high end computer store in manhattan	02:01
Luria	shack008n, its a custom xandros distrib	02:02
Luria	but i already have a big problem out of the box:	02:02
Luria	the wireless manager doesnt handle non dhcp networks	02:02
l7	hrm, how do i put darwinports in my path again?	02:02
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l7	it's been like two years since i had it installed	02:02
hachi	"Connection failed to phone Delphine Angua von Überwald. Try again?"... and I know the two devices are paired properly because I can send files between the two of them just fine	02:02
hachi	anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?	02:02
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Tama	I gave it (eeepc) a try and honestly OS2008 looks and works better... which says a lot ;-)	02:03
GeneralAntilles	hachi, your network setting are probably messed up	02:03
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hachi	Jan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 icd 1.2.31[1079]: [AT&T Internet] Failed to open RFCOMM device.	02:03
hachi	Jan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 icd 1.2.31[1079]: [AT&T Internet] Error: Connection refused (org.bluez.serial.Error.ConnectionAttemptFailed)	02:03
GeneralAntilles	or maybe DUN isn't allowed on the phone.	02:03
hachi	GeneralAntilles: they were working yesterday	02:03
hachi	same exact phone	02:03
GeneralAntilles	With internet?	02:04
GeneralAntilles	Or just file transfer?	02:04
hachi	everything except SMS works on this phone	02:04
Luria	im going for eeexubuntu (god that name's gotta go)	02:04
hachi	from the computer	02:04
hachi	and the reason SMS doens't work is because motorola didn't implement that in their phone firmware	02:04
GeneralAntilles	What was "working yesterday"?	02:04
l7	oh right, forgot about xcode	02:04
hachi	I was connected to the internet via GPRS through this exact phone, carrier, sim card, and location 24 hours ago	02:05
hachi	on my nokia n810	02:05
GeneralAntilles	Could be a network issue.	02:05
GeneralAntilles	Well, maybe not.	02:05
hachi	note how I pasted the syslog	02:05
GeneralAntilles	Dunno	02:05
GeneralAntilles	try rebooting the both?	02:06
hachi	yup	02:06
GeneralAntilles	Something change.	02:06
GeneralAntilles	Don't know what	02:06
GeneralAntilles	maybe recheck all the settings on both sides.	02:06
hachi	already did	02:07
hachi	maybe I can rfcomm bind this myself	02:07
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hachi	no rfcomm	02:09
hachi	what's DSME?	02:09
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GeneralAntilles	Power management daemon.	02:10
hachi	it likes to throw errors rather often	02:10
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hachi	Jan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 hcid[1064]: link_key_request (sba=00:1D:6E:D9:5B:3E, dba=00:18:A4:C8:8D:41)	02:11
hachi	Jan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 serial[1248]: connect(): Connection refused (111)	02:11
hachi	serial?	02:11
hachi	ahh, bluetoothd-service-serial	02:11
hachi	that's bluez-utils... that's open... grep the source	02:14
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rm_you	GeneralAntilles: so, is the version 0.4b of backlight usable enough for you?	02:21
rm_you	i mean, if it was in a popdown instead of a menu, would you call that done?	02:21
rm_you	or is there more you'd like to see	02:21
GeneralAntilles	Yes.	02:22
rm_you	... Sorry, yes to the first or second question?	02:23
rm_you	P	02:24
rm_you	:P	02:24
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dhd	wow, maemo-mapper seems to be way more useful than the built-in map program	02:26
rm_you	dhd: YES	02:27
* dhd wonders what that 1.5gb of data is doing on the internal flssh...		02:27
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rm_you	the ONLY thing i wish Maemo Mapper could do is read the vector based maps for the "Map" applicationb	02:28
rm_you	since it's like... 750mb for the entire western USA	02:29
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rm_you	versus 750MB for two large cities in Maemo Mapp'	02:29
rm_you	because it just stores googlemap jpgs	02:29
dhd	5he keyboard on this n810 is a nice improvement over the N800, much easier to use for IRC :)	02:29
rm_you	heh yes	02:29
rm_you	well, packing up computer for shipping	02:29
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rm_you	later! :)	02:29
dhd	oh i guess that makes sense	02:29
* rm_you wishes he could just press in the gate address for Texas on dhd		02:30
dhd	ha	02:30
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Tama	Bugzilla Bug 2489	02:50
Tama	GMail IMAP hangs on message download	02:50
Tama	Opened: 2007-12-04 19:25 GMT+3	02:50
Tama	UNCONFIRMED	02:50
GeneralAntilles	Is that for Modest or built-in?	02:50
Tama	(!)	02:50
Tama	built-in	02:50
GeneralAntilles	All the built-in stuff is basically WONTFIX	02:50
Tama	now... that was a month ago...	02:50
Tama	Is there anyone working on this stuff?	02:51
Tama	I mean at least bother flagging it as WONTFIX	02:51
Tama	geez	02:51
GeneralAntilles	UNCONFIRMED just means that somebody without CANCONFIRM or EDITBUGS didn't make it or mark it as NEW	02:51
GeneralAntilles	Meh, I don't know whether it's actually WONTFIX yet.	02:51
Tama	yes	02:51
GeneralAntilles	Just use Modest in any case.	02:51
Tama	yes, of course	02:52
GeneralAntilles	(or, also, that it wasn't voted)	02:52
Tama	but I was complaining about the apparent lack attention by who should take care of this stuff	02:53
GeneralAntilles	Eh, it's not hurting anybody being unconfirmed	02:53
Tama	sure except anyone using email and google will experience it	02:53
GeneralAntilles	Look at the state of the built-in app	02:53
GeneralAntilles	then look at the state of the built-in app's bugs. :P	02:53
GeneralAntilles	Right, which is why Modest will replace built-in.	02:53
Tama	BTW I do believe that the whole 'modest' becoming the new built-in client is totally unfounded	02:54
GeneralAntilles	They pretty much stated as much.	02:54
GeneralAntilles	It's called e-mail	02:54
GeneralAntilles	it's the same icon	02:54
GeneralAntilles	It uses notifications	02:55
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Tama	does not use the same account settings (I think)	02:55
Tama	yes it's a good replacement	02:55
GeneralAntilles	and, yes, it will be replacing the built-in. :P	02:55
derf	That's okay, the old account settings sucked.	02:55
GeneralAntilles	Look at the .desktop file	02:56
derf	I mean, no IMAP folders?	02:56
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matmo	evening all. Need help: compiled a program on sb (armel target), copied to N810, set owner, group and permissions but still get "permission denied" (running from remote ssh client)	03:02
zerojay	Did you copy to your memory cards or /home?	03:03
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K`zan	Before I do something dumb, is this the correct command line for flashing the new 2008?:	03:03
K`zan	./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R	03:03
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matmo	to /usr/local/lib and sym link from /usr/bin	03:04
derf	Install strace.	03:05
matmo	derf: I'm new to this stuff, what will strace do for me?	03:06
timely	Tak: which products?	03:06
timely	(re:unco)	03:06
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GeneralAntilles	Yes, K`zan.	03:07
derf	matmo: http://linux.die.net/man/1/strace	03:07
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derf	It'll tell you which call is returning permission denied.	03:07
matmo	ok, thks, checking the link now	03:08
K`zan	USB device found found at bus 004, device address 006	03:08
K`zan	Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted	03:08
timely	Tama: what GeneralAntilles meant is that the built-in mail client is basically EOLd	03:08
timely	other products theoretically get maintenance :)	03:08
Tama	ok :)	03:09
timely	http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=416222&cid=22019454	03:09
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zerojay	Hah.	03:10
GeneralAntilles	K`zan, sudo flash . . .	03:10
K`zan	I am god :-)	03:11
K`zan	Ah, err no I was doing that as the mere mortal me - thanks :-)	03:11
K`zan	Do I need the -R at the end GeneralAntilles ?	03:11
GeneralAntilles	It restarts after flashing	03:11
GeneralAntilles	Not really, but it helps.	03:11
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K`zan	OK I'll take anthing that helps :)	03:12
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matmo	hmm, and where do I get strace?	03:12
timely	see gronmayer in topic?	03:13
K`zan	GeneralAntilles: That worked, thanks, notes modified :-)	03:13
matmo	ok, ta	03:13
timely	(if it isn't on the device already...)	03:13
* timely is tired and sleepy		03:13
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matmo	I'm getting "permission denied" trying to run strace :-)	03:25
matmo	tried to dump output to file, "strace: can't fopen 'trace.txt': permissiondenied	03:26
timely	did you try writing to / or something silly?	03:27
timely	try /tmp?	03:27
timely	what's the syntax you're using?	03:27
timely	strace -p ?	03:27
matmo	I was in the app directory. Now move to my data dir on mmc2. Now get: strace: exec: permission denied	03:28
matmo	s/move/moved	03:28
matmo	back to square 1, I can't run the exe	03:29
matmo	ls	03:32
matmo	(oops)	03:32
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matmo	timely: sry, now checked and I do have a strace log, shows wrong target for exe. Investigating further	03:34
timely	-f is your friend?	03:36
matmo	well wooohooo, started using full exe path and it's running	03:36
timely	also, beware the evil fork	03:36
timely	if your victim is a nokia app, it's probably using an evil forking system	03:36
Tak	so, I can't find a way to use vala code with bora :-\|	03:36
timely	which means you need to find the daemon process and probably trace it	03:37
matmo	hmm, thanks but beyond my know-how atm	03:37
timely	anyway, -f and -p are your friends, the man page is your guide	03:38
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matmo	ok, thanks	03:38
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Tak	even if I pregenerate the C code	03:43
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esotic	hello	03:45
esotic	anybody home?	03:45
GeneralAntilles	Howdy	03:46
* Tak home		03:46
lcuk	timely, I almost fell off my chair when I read that	03:46
lcuk	(/. posting)	03:46
esotic	I got an N800 for Xmas and am trying to get the maemo SDK installed... anybody willing to help me through some troubles?	03:47
Tak	esotic: sure	03:47
esotic	my current issue is that I get a permission denied error when I try to run scratchbox, any ideas on how to resolve that?	03:48
esotic	bash: /usr/bin/scratchbox: Permission denied	03:48
matmo	nite all	03:48
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esotic	if i go straight to the /scratchbox/login is says the same thing	03:48
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SpComb	have you added your user as a scratchbox user and logged in again, as per the instructions?	03:49
l7	dang, remote buddy is pretty cool	03:49
Tak	did you add yourself as a sbox user?	03:49
Tak	crap	03:49
* Tak slow		03:50
GeneralAntilles	l7, it's even cooler with a Wiimote.	03:50
l7	not as slick on then n800 as it would be on the iphone, but still cool	03:50
esotic	do i need to logout of debian or reboot or something?	03:50
l7	GeneralAntilles: how does it work on the wiimote? it has no screen	03:50
* Tak blame 770 + rum		03:50
GeneralAntilles	Bluetooth remot. :P	03:50
l7	but if you could map all those buttons...	03:50
GeneralAntilles	*remote	03:50
Tak	esotic: log out and back in	03:50
l7	ah	03:50
GeneralAntilles	the iPhone httpd is kinda a secondary feautre.	03:50
esotic	ok, brb	03:50
GeneralAntilles	*feature	03:50
esotic	thanks! :)	03:51
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* GeneralAntilles shouldn't type with a cat on his desk.		03:51
l7	wow the wii has offical support	03:51
l7	the neat thing about the ajax module is that you can control your mac from another room	03:51
Tak	where does one get an input driver for a cat?	03:51
l7	what kind of cat?	03:52
l7	i believe the sound of a can opener works nicely	03:52
Tak	hmm - why doesn't our perl have prename?	03:53
GeneralAntilles	Because it sucks?	03:53
petergunn666	wots prename?	03:54
GeneralAntilles	alternatively: they're trying to sucker you into making it not suck.	03:54
Tak	perhaps, but I posit that it sucks less than nothing	03:54
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Tak	petergunn666: lets you do: prename 's/foo/bar/' *.bar , etc	03:55
scibot	I want "Everyone's Nintendo Channel" on the Wii already.	03:55
petergunn666	Tak: havent heard of it - is it a perl6 thing?	03:56
esotic	Thanks, worked like a charm, i'm goign to continue working through the install instructions!	03:56
Tak	yes	03:56
timely	lcuk =)	03:56
GeneralAntilles	I want the "Nintendo Gives you Free VC Games" channel.	03:56
petergunn666	if you just want to search and replace infile you can use -pi	03:56
scibot	ENC = Free DS Demo's	03:57
Tak	I want to mass-rename files	03:57
petergunn666	I use metamorphose for that - dont think there is a n800 port tho	03:58
timely	prename should be a trivial perl one liner	03:58
petergunn666	http://www.evolt.org/article/Renaming_Files_with_Perl/17/351/	03:59
timely	perl -e 'sub _name { my $name = shift; $name =~ s/foo/bar/; return $name }; foreach my $file (@ARGV) { rename $file _name($file)' *.bar	04:00
timely	one typo included at no extra charge	04:00
timely	(, missing between file _name)	04:00
timely	not that you might rename barbie.bar to foobie.bar	04:00
timely	which is probably wot what you want	04:01
timely	s/wot/not/	04:01
Tak	timely meant: which is probably not what you want	04:01
infobot	timely meant: which is probably not what you want	04:01
* timely eyes tak		04:01
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	04:01
timely	s/tak/Tak/	04:01
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Tak	doesn't do actions :-P	04:01
timely	clearly?	04:01
timely	s/clearly./clearly!/	04:02
Tak	timely meant: clearly!	04:02
Tak	Tak thinks timely meant: Inconceivable!	04:03
Tak	timely: s/cl(e)arly.*/Inconc\1ivable!/	04:03
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K`zan	is map the same as mapper is the same as maemo mapper?!??	04:05
GeneralAntilles	"Map" is different from Maemo Mapper.	04:06
K`zan	or is map the wayfinder thing and mapper == maemo mapper?	04:06
K`zan	Bloody confuzing ;-/.,	04:06
GeneralAntilles	"Map" is the OS2008 built-in GPS program	04:06
GeneralAntilles	mapper is probably maemo mapper.	04:06
K`zan	"probably" LOL :-). I'll try it :-). thanks :-)	04:07
GeneralAntilles	Maemo Mapper is 100x better than "Map".	04:07
timely	they're different!	04:07
K`zan	Would be nice if there was a flag that you could set to globally say "I don't care if it isn't a frugging nokia app", get tired of that.	04:08
cizarro	but still the same	04:08
K`zan	Yeap, map is crap.	04:08
K`zan	maemo mapper is it :-)	04:08
timely	K`zan: it's open source	04:08
timely	just download the source and get rid of that bit :)	04:08
* cizarro would like a warning when installing nokia stuff (as opposed to non-nokia)		04:08
Tak	hah	04:08
timely	cizarro: doesn't work	04:08
timely	nokia stuff that isn't from osso is marked as non nokia	04:08
timely	if you don't think that's confusing...	04:08
K`zan	Yeah, I trust the non-mokia stuff :)	04:08
cizarro	heh, I knew there was something hidden in all that logic :-)	04:09
shack008n	timely, is tthere a way to get rid of the contacts iccon on the left panel?	04:09
timely	yes	04:09
K`zan	The one thing I am sure of is that this whole IT thing is designed from the ground up to be as confusing as possible :-(.	04:09
timely	there's a .so file somewhere in the file system	04:09
timely	if it disappears, so does the button	04:09
cizarro	K`zan, it's been worse!	04:10
GeneralAntilles	Like magic!	04:10
timely	it's not particularly recommended, but i've done it	04:10
* cizarro remembers the stuff that was on 770 on release		04:10
GeneralAntilles	Will the tasks browser expand proportionally?	04:10
shack008n	timely; great!!	04:10
K`zan	cizarro: Yes, I know :-/.	04:10
timely	GeneralAntilles: no :)	04:10
GeneralAntilles	Ah, then there's no point.	04:10
K`zan	Glad I came in during the enlightened period - 2007 ;-)	04:10
timely	maybe you don't like the process using ram?	04:10
GeneralAntilles	Fine, fine.	04:10
* cizarro prefers using cow		04:11
* timely says process, but technically it's part of tN		04:11
shack008n	timely, will it also remove the default mail and chat clients?	04:11
cizarro	poor old ram. most people using it all the time..	04:11
timely	shack008n: no, it's just a ui hook	04:11
shack008n	mkay	04:11
timely	but they might be slightly less likely to run constantly	04:11
K`zan	Food, bbl	04:11
* timely isn't sure about that		04:11
timely	they have many hooks	04:11
timely	chat of course has a status bar hook	04:11
timely	no clue about mail	04:11
timely	it definitely has a launch hook in the normal menus	04:12
shack008n	i removed the chat sbar item tough	04:12
timely	define removed?	04:12
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timely	rm -f?	04:12
timely	note: i really have no idea what the TN ui does	04:12
shack008n	disabled the presence icon from cpanel	04:13
timely	it might mean X isn't loaded	04:13
timely	or it might just mean X isn't visible	04:13
timely	for all i know, help says what it means	04:13
timely	but somehow,... i doubt that :)	04:13
* cizarro wonders whether the bt help has been fixed		04:14
shack008n	i'll kill go find the hookk anyway, tnx	04:14
K`zan	I swear these installs are so frucked up, nobody seems to know what anyone else is installing and doesn't trust it. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh	04:14
timely	K`zan: i'm sure your device knows	04:14
cizarro	or it soon will	04:14
K`zan	Apparently not.	04:14
* cizarro goes to watch a movie		04:14
cizarro	have fun :-)	04:14
K`zan	Guess I turn on red pill, install and trust to god because nokia sure isn't :)	04:15
shack008n	timelly, tablets are sentient now?	04:15
GeneralAntilles	What's the problem, K`zan?	04:16
K`zan	Should I just give up on the application manager? The apps never seem to be able to resolve dependancies...	04:16
GeneralAntilles	That's a repo issue.	04:16
GeneralAntilles	What dependency?	04:16
K`zan	xchat had three, I'm trying turning on red pill now...	04:17
GeneralAntilles	Which xchat?	04:17
GeneralAntilles	Red pill wont fix it.	04:17
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GeneralAntilles	The xchat in maemo hackers?	04:17
K`zan	Whichever one is in the application manager....	04:17
GeneralAntilles	Because that's for 2007	04:17
GeneralAntilles	Did it complain about libhildon0?	04:17
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GeneralAntilles	You want the xchat here: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/	04:18
K`zan	Oh god never mind, with red pill on it may finish loading in July :)	04:18
K`zan	GeneralAntilles: Yes, that was one of them.	04:18
K`zan	Thanks, checking	04:18
Tak	oh ffs, our xargs doesn't have -0 either?	04:19
timely	tak: busybox++	04:20
GeneralAntilles	libhildon0 means it's OS2007.	04:20
timely	s/++/--/	04:20
infobot	timely meant: tak: busybox--	04:20
Tak	mine wants you to escape the + :-P	04:21
K`zan	GeneralAntilles: That worked thanks!	04:22
GeneralAntilles	For future note: red pill is a pretty poor troubleshooting tool. ;)	04:22
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K`zan	GeneralAntilles: Yes, I know :-(	04:23
K`zan	Shotgun method of debugging, next comes tac nukes :)	04:24
timely	Tak: i figured :)	04:25
* Tak drink more rum, listen to sepultura		04:26
Tak	does anyone happen to know about the HE progress?	04:26
timely	in general, i think that's a secret	04:27
Tak	what about specifically?	04:29
Tak	I've determined that it's not possible to use vala with bora's glib	04:32
robtaylor	Tak: what's the problem?	04:34
Tak	...which is a shame	04:34
Tak	the glib is too old	04:34
robtaylor	yeh, what's being used	04:34
robtaylor	?	04:34
Tak	you mean what functions?	04:35
robtaylor	aye	04:35
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Tak	rechecking	04:37
Tak	something that wasn't trivial (to me) to replace	04:40
robtaylor	Tak: we can always go ask juergbi if it's a stinker;)	04:40
robtaylor	wow 2.12 required :/ /me wonders what it is that's needed	04:41
Tak	he recommended pregenerating the C code, but that didn't work either	04:41
unique311	los alamos	04:42
unique311	^^^^sounds like a greeting	04:42
Tak	hola, mis alamos!	04:42
unique311	i don't like the mis in that one.	04:43
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Tak	unique311: want to test a gngeo prerelease?	04:43
unique311	why not.	04:43
unique311	you know i'm working on the frontend	04:43
Tak	gmail?	04:43
unique311	xgngeo	04:43
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unique311	unique11210@gmail.com	04:43
Tak	why not xmaeme?	04:43
unique311	not enough pref	04:43
unique311	and the one i'm working on allows users that are not keen to config files to do alot of configuration	04:44
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unique311	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN57-Vn0WpI	04:45
unique311	heres a vid of it	04:45
Tak	g_param_spec_gtype	04:45
unique311	still working on freaking the menubar. I can't seem to add it to the hildon menu	04:46
Tak	well - I'd be happy to roll any required changes into xmaeme	04:46
unique311	did you send the pre release yet?	04:47
Tak	working on it	04:49
* Tak on 770		04:49
unique311	ok	04:49
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unique311	http://developer.berlios.de/dbimage.php?id=3175 i think this would come in handy for n810 users.	04:51
unique311	but i removed it for the build i'm working on.	04:51
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robtaylor	Tak: hmm, a possible hack is to change that to g_param_spec_ulong	04:53
unique311	got it	04:53
Tak	sent	04:54
Tak	hah	04:54
unique311	recieved	04:54
robtaylor	Tak: and change the 4th add argument to 3 lines, min 0, max MAX_ULONG, default G_TYPE_INVALID	04:55
Tak	robtaylor: also for g_value_get_gtype ?	04:55
robtaylor	Tak: aye, a Gtype is justa ulong :)	04:56
robtaylor	(at least, it is on arm)(	04:56
jott	this should work for os2008 (n810), right (with obvious adjustments)? or is there a better tutorial? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/	04:57
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Tak	mmm, I'll have to do that when I have a real kb ;-)	04:57
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unique311	how do you remember how many taks to add to ur gmail.	04:58
Tak	it's ten	04:59
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unique311	tak what am i looking for in this release	05:03
unique311	plays like the other one	05:03
unique311	my onscreen buttons are still MIA,	05:03
unique311	i have to let it sleep in order for them to show up	05:04
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unique311	1 question how did you get speed to be so fast?	05:05
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Tak	damn - I was hoping to fix the damn buttons	05:05
Tak	it's fast because it has two cores in arm asm	05:06
Crooper	Is xine-ui ported yet?	05:06
unique311	not sure what that means, but is it possible to do the same with the other emus available for the NIT	05:07
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unique311	starts up fine, but still the onscreen buttons are MIA, for xmaeme and xgngeo	05:10
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Tak	possible, yes - can I do it, no	05:10
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packetlossmm	anyone getting upgrade flash message at youtube	05:11
Crooper	And also is anyone using vmac?	05:11
Tak	meh, something's goofy with chinook's dsp doubling	05:12
unique311	Tak, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=118047&postcount=29	05:12
GeneralAntilles	packetlossmm, under OS2008?	05:12
packetlossmm	yes	05:13
GeneralAntilles	Let me check	05:13
unique311	was that the fix you tried out for this pre release	05:13
Tak	sort-of	05:13
GeneralAntilles	Nope, works fine over here, packetlossmm.	05:14
packetlossmm	hmm, i'll try again	05:14
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K	How does one get rid of skype and rapsody from ther menu - they are onl.y installable?!	05:17
Tak	incidentally, does this happen with fceu?	05:17
GeneralAntilles	Either install them and uninstall them or remove their .desktops.	05:17
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unique311	don't have fceu installed	05:17
unique311	but i can try it out.	05:18
unique311	give me a sec	05:18
unique311	it might just be my device, right.	05:18
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Tak	well, all I have is 770	05:19
packetlossmm	ahh, got it. in components, flash and mediaplayer plugins were not checked	05:20
GeneralAntilles	Poor Tak	05:20
Tak	I'm wondering if fceu on os2008 has the same prob	05:20
Tak	I like the 770	05:20
GeneralAntilles	It's slow.	05:21
unique311	you a dev, did you sign up for the dev discount?	05:21
Tak	ehh, my only issue is the storage	05:21
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Tak	I got a discount	05:21
packetlossmm	yeah, it is too slow to really be playable for me, close tho	05:22
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unique311	so get yourself an n810 already.	05:22
packetlossmm	lol, u probly meant the 770	05:22
unique311	the dev discount was fro the 770?	05:23
unique311	Tak, fceu works..	05:26
Tak	actually I got an n800	05:26
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Tak	that's good, but wtf?	05:27
unique311	onscreen buttons show up	05:27
unique311	amazed on how well the game plays	05:27
unique311	i'm having som mario flashbacks	05:27
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dospod	hey	05:36
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dospod	whats the name of the beta ff browser for maemo	05:42
Tak	microb?	05:42
dospod	i thought that was default	05:43
dospod	i know mozilla has another beta browser with a full ui for maemo	05:43
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K`zan	How do I get rapsody out of the menu system? It seems to be neither installed or installable but for sure NOT deletable...	05:44
Tak	hmm - webkit?	05:44
dospod	idk but i hear it has a full ui and its mozilla based	05:44
* Tak shrugs		05:44
unique311	something fish	05:45
unique311	swordfish	05:45
dospod	rhapsody-installer is also a app i think	05:45
esotic	How do I edit files inside scratchbox?	05:45
Tak	SoLongAndThanksForAllThe?	05:45
K`zan	dospod: I don't want either it nor its installer...	05:45
dospod	then uninstall it	05:45
Tak	esotic: you text editor of choice	05:45
dospod	in the application manager	05:46
Tak	Tak meant: esotic: your text editor of choice	05:46
Tak	s/you/\&r/	05:46
infobot	Tak meant: Tak meant: esotic: \&rr text editor of choice	05:46
K`zan	dospod: looked there, but will check again, thanks	05:46
esotic	hmmm... if i type gedit is says "command not found"	05:46
esotic	do I have to add paths to the environment?	05:46
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Vulcanis	does anyone know what the d-pad and stuff are counted as for dosbox?	05:46
Vulcanis	I'd _like_ to be able to bind them to things	05:47
Tak	you might have to install it if it's not vim ;-)	05:47
Vulcanis	but not sure if it will work	05:47
K`zan	rapsody installer is installable, but I still don't find anything to get the installer out of the menu system...	05:48
dospod	uninstall it and it should go away	05:49
dospod	but im a linux newb	05:49
GeneralAntilles	dospod, you're thinking of the Minefield port.	05:49
GeneralAntilles	K`zan, just install it then uninstall it.	05:49
K`zan	Wonder if you have to set red-pill mode to find it and then remove it ?!?	05:49
K`zan	GeneralAntilles: That sucks to have to do it that way... Thanks, looks like I have no choice but to "install" it so they get credit. Errrr....	05:50
GeneralAntilles	You can delete the .desktop	05:50
GeneralAntilles	I just don't remember off-hand where they all.	05:50
GeneralAntilles	Eh, I use Rhapsody. :P	05:50
K`zan	GeneralAntilles: I quit supporting the enterainment mafias some time ago now, indies only :-)	05:51
K`zan	Starting to consider no nokia warning to be a bad thing :-)	05:52
dospod	minefild it is	05:53
K`zan	GeneralAntilles: That worked, thanks!	05:53
dospod	im gonna try minefeild	05:57
dospod	its nice for beta so far	06:01
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GeneralAntilles	Kinda pointless, dospod.	06:10
GeneralAntilles	MicroB has the same engine.	06:11
GeneralAntilles	It's mostly just bloated and buggy.	06:11
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l7	anyone know if it's possible to rotate the web browser 90 degrees?	06:28
l7	it would be handy with Remote Buddy	06:29
l7	a black background would make things slicker too	06:29
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GeneralAntilles	No, l7.	06:34
GeneralAntilles	Hildon just isn't designed for rotation.	06:34
sandyang	hi everybody:P	06:36
l7	GeneralAntilles: that's too bad	06:37
l7	i noticed that fbreader was capable of it	06:37
GeneralAntilles	Sort of	06:37
l7	but i guess that's specific to it	06:37
GeneralAntilles	but moving one giant text block around is easier than moving a bunch of widgets around	06:38
GeneralAntilles	Truthfully, rotation will break most applications.	06:38
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GeneralAntilles	Maybe OS2010. ;)	06:38
l7	i guess css wouldn't be able to help with rotation	06:38
l7	heh	06:38
GeneralAntilles	Actually, rotating the website would probably be fairly straightforward	06:38
GeneralAntilles	but the toolbar and maybe the form/button widgets would be harder.	06:39
Tak	hah, resizing breaks most applications	06:39
l7	maybe if the website weren't so ajax heavy	06:39
K-Fox	does n810 support the korea,japan language ?	06:40
GeneralAntilles	More or less	06:40
GeneralAntilles	have to install a font for it, though.	06:40
GeneralAntilles	The Chinese font includes Japanese, but I'm not sure about Korean	06:40
K-Fox	i am from korean	06:41
sandyang	K-Fox: From Korean?	06:42
K-Fox	if it is supported the korea font , i will buy n810	06:42
K-Fox	yes	06:42
GeneralAntilles	Dunno	06:43
GeneralAntilles	You might take a look on the forums at internettablettalk.com	06:43
K-Fox	ok	06:43
sandyang	how much n810 in Korean	06:45
GeneralAntilles	Basically, if you put a font in there with Korean support, then the N810 will render Korean just fine.	06:46
GeneralAntilles	Input will require a 3rd party application.	06:46
K-Fox	it dont sell n810 in korea	06:47
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, Nokia hasn't been very big on support in Asia so far.	06:48
GeneralAntilles	Not sure why.	06:48
GeneralAntilles	There are a lot of Asian tablet users in here, though.	06:48
K-Fox	i am going to buy it through COMPUSA ,,other site	06:49
Tak	it certainly does seem that way	06:49
Tak	better hurry - compusa is going away pretty soon	06:49
GeneralAntilles	Didn't TigerDirect just buy CompUSA?	06:51
GeneralAntilles	That's gonna be a mess.	06:51
* Tak shrugs		06:53
Vulcanis	mmhmm	06:59
GeneralAntilles	I should probably visit mine to see if they've got any good clearance stuff.	07:01
Tak	heh, some guys here said that it looked like the same prices, only with signs saying. "CLEARANCE!!!1~"	07:04
GeneralAntilles	Ha	07:04
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ds3	the mapping app on OS2008 is disappointing	07:12
GeneralAntilles	You mean "Map"	07:13
GeneralAntilles	and, yes, that's true.	07:13
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ds3	yes, and it looks buggy	07:13
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ds3	telling me I am doing about 100KPH when I have the settings for imperial units	07:13
ds3	I do not need to start multipling numbers by 5/8 in my head as I drive!@#@!#@	07:13
* ds3 eagerly waits for the next version of GVM...hopefully it can run some of the Palm mapping software		07:14
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GeneralAntilles	Sad part is, they don't even really want to fix it.	07:19
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GeneralAntilles	No bugzilla component.	07:19
GeneralAntilles	All contracted work.	07:19
K`zan	Simple solution :-), dump map install maemo mapper :).	07:19
ds3	I hope the efforts to get roadmap or Navi hildonized get furhter	07:19
ds3	maemo mapper has it is place but it is different; requiring online access for map is restrictive	07:20
GeneralAntilles	You're incorrect	07:20
GeneralAntilles	It requires no such thing.	07:20
GeneralAntilles	(why does everything think that?)	07:20
GeneralAntilles	Read the help, google, read ITT, read it's website. . . .	07:20
ds3	it does if I don't plan ahead	07:20
K`zan	Err, I think not.	07:20
GeneralAntilles	How far do you drive in a day?	07:21
ds3	I can't just say, give me the entire western US and dump it in the card w/o pissing off google, etc	07:21
K`zan	I plan ahead for it. Currentl got about 24 hours worth of maps coming in :).	07:21
K`zan	Again...	07:21
K`zan	After upgrading.	07:21
GeneralAntilles	Eh, I'm never not in one of two cities.	07:21
K`zan	OS	07:21
ds3	my daily drive doesn't need GPS; it is my long road trips that does and those aren't that planned	07:21
GeneralAntilles	~300MB of maps	07:21
GeneralAntilles	Has me covered.	07:21
K`zan	Big arsed chunk :). Comes from manually going to the places I want filled in.	07:22
ds3	I do about about 12000miles/year; 4000-5000 of those are in areas I have not been to	07:22
GeneralAntilles	Download along route	07:22
GeneralAntilles	and download maps for the cities you'll be in.	07:22
GeneralAntilles	Will work fairly well.	07:22
ds3	over GPRS?	07:22
GeneralAntilles	But these are the limits of bitmap maps.	07:22
K`zan	It would be nice to get maps like map - Western US, Eastern...	07:22
GeneralAntilles	Before you leave.	07:22
GeneralAntilles	or get 3g.	07:22
ds3	yes, that's why I want vector mapping	07:22
GeneralAntilles	3g phone is cheaper than "Map".	07:22
ds3	I'll probally have maemo mapper on there still.. like I said, it ihas its place	07:23
GeneralAntilles	K`zan, that'd be about 20GB-per for ok-zooming.	07:23
GeneralAntilles	John should just give it the ability to read the "Map" maps.	07:23
ds3	and isn't using Google as the map data source still a gray area?	07:23
ds3	or TIGER maps or OSM maps	07:23
GeneralAntilles	OSM maps are fine	07:24
GeneralAntilles	which is what's in there by default	07:24
ds3	or SA maps ;)	07:24
GeneralAntilles	I very much doubt google cares.	07:24
ds3	as I understand it, OSM isnt that complete in the US; TIGER is still being imported	07:24
K`zan	Yeah, I also have all zoom levels set, that is adding a CHUNK...	07:24
GeneralAntilles	OSM has about zero coverage in the US	07:24
GeneralAntilles	You don't need to go down below 5, really.	07:24
K`zan	Not sure how many or which ones are enough, but the fuzzies suck...	07:24
GeneralAntilles	3 and lower is mildly stupid.	07:25
ds3	one thing I think Maemo maps is good for is overlaying GPS on a scanned USGS Topo map	07:25
GeneralAntilles	Or google sat	07:25
K`zan	Ah, right I got to add topo again...	07:25
ds3	yep	07:25
ds3	but I still want a vector databased based mapped for roads	07:25
ds3	SA has its problems, but it was quite usable on the Treo	07:26
ds3	did I hear someone saying 32G SDHC cards will be around soon?	07:27
GeneralAntilles	Panasonic just announced some	07:28
GeneralAntilles	I'm guessing March-ish.	07:28
ds3	Hmmmm splurge now and get a 16G or wait... so many choices	07:28
Tak	mmm...64G N800	07:30
* Tak splurges all over the channel		07:30
GeneralAntilles	Seriously	07:31
GeneralAntilles	iTouch can burn in hell.	07:31
GeneralAntilles	and so can the N810	07:31
l7	why?	07:31
GeneralAntilles	Dual SDHC	07:31
l7	they're nice devices	07:31
K`zan	And you aren't suck with a third rate gps aand camera...	07:31
l7	yeah, i guess the n800 has a lot of storage potential	07:32
l7	what would you do with all that storage?	07:32
GeneralAntilles	MEDIA	07:32
l7	media server? ;)	07:32
K`zan	I'll let you know :) :-) :_)	07:32
ds3	maps... TOPO/SAT	07:32
l7	hrm, it might outclass the ipod classic soon	07:32
GeneralAntilles	Biggest reason why the N900 needs SDHC is that it'll probably be able to do 720p with that OMAP3	07:32
l7	well, someday	07:32
ds3	Mmmmm OMAP3	07:33
ds3	Cortex :)~~~~	07:33
l7	n900 specs have been announced?	07:33
GeneralAntilles	No	07:33
GeneralAntilles	But what else CAN they use?	07:33
GeneralAntilles	They're certainly not going Intel	07:33
K`zan	I think I'd go with an eee pc before an 810...	07:33
GeneralAntilles	and if they put another OMAP2 in there I'll kill them all.	07:33
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Tak	why not intel?	07:33
ds3	Heh? intel... turn on for 20seconds and the battery dies ;)	07:34
l7	i hope the n800 continues to be compatible	07:34
GeneralAntilles	Whole platform is built on ARM?	07:34
Tak	intel mids seem to be surviving	07:34
GeneralAntilles	Aside from the fact that Intel's sub-mobile stuff just isn't ready for prime-time.	07:34
GeneralAntilles	What Intel MIDs?	07:34
ds3	the 2430 isn't bad... better DSP	07:34
GeneralAntilles	The ones at CES? :P	07:34
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ds3	K`zan: seen the WiBrain?	07:34
K`zan	No, I haven't. Sometimes I think there are too many choices...	07:35
GeneralAntilles	Haha	07:35
GeneralAntilles	Communism FTW!	07:35
l7	Communism, or Apple	07:36
ds3	WiBrain is like an N800 x86-ified	07:36
Tak	same thing	07:37
GeneralAntilles	Haha, l7.	07:37
GeneralAntilles	MARKET choices. :P	07:37
K`zan	I don't do intel, I prefer companies that have more engineers than lawyers :)	07:37
l7	lol	07:38
l7	the wibrain does have a nice keyboard	07:38
ds3	EeePC/cloudbook would be more attractive if it had a touch screen	07:39
ds3	(yes, I know there are mods)	07:39
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Delio	Hola	08:56
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Tak	buenas noches	08:59
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Epeloon	hi, is there a way to use LaTex on n800 with OS2008? Thanks.	09:03
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Delio	Hey anyone knows exactly what r&d mode for OS2008 mode does?	09:20
mbuf	do we need to move to vmware sdk appliance for maemo development, or is there qemu support for Maemo?	09:25
GeneralAntilles	Delio, turns off the root protection, allows you to turn it on without a delay and does some other stuff to the hardware watchdog.	09:26
Delio	thanks	09:26
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Delio	is the only option on or off? Or are tehre several flags?	09:27
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Delio	I looked into the initfs and foind that rclinux tests for rdmode before enabling boot menu	09:28
Delio	I'd like to enable it but I want to know what are the other sideeffects first	09:28
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Delio	--set-rd-flags [arg] Set R&D mode flags on the device <--- which flags >.<	09:29
GeneralAntilles	Not much else	09:30
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Delio	cannot find that piece of info anywhere	09:30
GeneralAntilles	It's on google	09:30
GeneralAntilles	I believe	09:30
GeneralAntilles	I think it's pretty mundane stuff.	09:30
GeneralAntilles	I don't remember it, and there's probably a reason. :P	09:30
pupnik	Don't turn it on unless you know exactly why you need it on.	09:31
pupnik	heya GeneralAntilles	09:31
GeneralAntilles	Howdy, pupnik.	09:31
GeneralAntilles	How's life with a real device? :P	09:31
Delio	as I said I'd like to see a boot device selection menu at power up	09:31
pupnik	The speakers are a real letdown - dunno if they're defective. Mplayer loses sync on a lot of .flvs. Case got dented on the first day in my travel bag.	09:32
pupnik	Other than that it's incredibly cool.	09:32
pupnik	Also gonna get a spare battery pack. 770 seems to last a bit longer	09:33
pupnik	Dpad isn't as bad as I feared.	09:34
GeneralAntilles	Speakers on the N800 are really good	09:34
GeneralAntilles	I wonder.	09:34
pupnik	yeah they have a lot more room on 770 and N800	09:34
pupnik	i mean, i can hear what's playing and stuff, but my 770 is a lot louder than the N810	09:35
pupnik	and the 810 sound is highly distorted at all volumes	09:35
GeneralAntilles	That's pretty nasty.	09:37
GeneralAntilles	I think they sacrificed too much for a size reduction, personally.	09:38
pupnik	well i hear other people praising the N810 speakers a lot	09:38
pupnik	so i really can't say. I'm not going to return it (it serves its purpose - letting me test games/emus)	09:39
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Zic	hi	09:57
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Addison	Greetings everyone! Anyone here still conscious this late at night? :o)	10:04
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Lynoure	Addison: morning, 10, here.	10:10
Lynoure	I wonder if there is anywhere where I can leave a bounty for Evince for OS2008?	10:11
Addison	Where are you from that makes it 10 am Lynoure?	10:12
Lynoure	Finland :)	10:12
Lynoure	Isn't that almost the expected place for a person interested in Nokia Linux thing to be from, if they are on irc on top of that? :)	10:13
Addison	I didn't know Finland was really known for anything to be honest. :op	10:13
Lynoure	Nokia is from Finland, and so is Linux and irc	10:14
Addison	Well, shows you how much I know.	10:14
Lynoure	I guess quite many people think Nokia is from Japan =)	10:14
Addison	Well, I was hoping to just pick up on a few conversations here. I don't have really a first clue on what to do with my N800.	10:15
GeneralAntilles	Addison, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=What_can_I_do_with_this_thing%3F	10:16
GeneralAntilles	:P	10:16
jott	Addison: write an app for it that shows some random messages on what you could do with your spare time ;)	10:16
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	10:17
GeneralAntilles	"Get a life, jerkoff"	10:17
Lynoure	I use mine a lot for reading pdfs, thus I'll prolly need to flash it back to os2007 soon	10:17
GeneralAntilles	"Get off the couch and wash yourself, asshat"	10:17
Lynoure	and for web, and skype, and occasional ssh session	10:17
GeneralAntilles	Lynoure, the built-in PDF reader under OS2008 is pretty good, no?	10:17
Lynoure	GeneralAntilles: No.	10:17
GeneralAntilles	Much better than the OS2007 one, anyway.	10:18
Addison	Am I in a bad mood or am I picking up so weird negative vibes from somewhere? :o)	10:18
Lynoure	GeneralAntilles: it loads the next page way slower than Evince and makes it quite easy to accidentally switch pages. Then getting the previous one also takes long.	10:18
GeneralAntilles	You could always port it, Lynoure. :P	10:18
Lynoure	way slower = often 5s or so	10:18
Addison	Hey thanks for the link General! That was exactly what I was hoping for!	10:19
GeneralAntilles	Put that together a couple days ago.	10:19
Lynoure	GeneralAntilles: heh, if I ported it myself with my 0% maemo porting experience, it would be much wasted for the other people I know also wanting evince	10:19
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Lynoure	I bet it would vacuum :)	10:20
GeneralAntilles	That would be pretty cool.	10:20
GeneralAntilles	Sorta like a Roomba? :P	10:20
Lynoure	Do people normally name their Roombas? :) Ours is called Lo	10:21
GeneralAntilles	I've got a 1st-gen with a dead battery.	10:22
GeneralAntilles	No name.	10:22
GeneralAntilles	I need to get a new battery for it. It'd be great for the apartment I'm in now.	10:22
Addison	What college do you attend GeneralAntilles?	10:23
GeneralAntilles	Florida State	10:24
Addison	So you party hard then? :o)	10:24
Lynoure	GeneralAntilles: but, if you point me to a good porting howto, I'll promise to at least look at it :)	10:24
GeneralAntilles	A little. ;)	10:24
GeneralAntilles	Lynoure, don't know of one. :D	10:25
* GeneralAntilles doesn't know Gtk either. ;)		10:25
pupnik	how to waste a morning, youtube "japanese prank"	10:29
GeneralAntilles	Haha	10:30
GeneralAntilles	pupnik, did you ever happen to feel out the 770's media limits?	10:30
Addison	Hey pupnik, how goes it?	10:30
GeneralAntilles	Specifically, MPEG4 at 240x320, what bitrate can it manage?	10:30
pupnik	not really, it's codec dependent	10:31
\|tbb\|	generalantilles: seen your post @ itt "But no, there is no hit with a large hosts. Instead of resolving the URL from a DNS server, it resolves from the hosts, which points nowhere." what does it mean? large host file is bad?	10:31
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pupnik	but it handled all 'reasonable' bitrates here - like up to about 600 or so	10:31
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GeneralAntilles	Means, the post wasn't very clear. :P	10:32
GeneralAntilles	Cool, thanks, pupnik.	10:32
Addison	Hey pupnik, you never answered my latest post in your Dosbox thread. I was asking you what the status was on that.	10:32
GeneralAntilles	a big hosts file has no speed impact	10:32
GeneralAntilles	It just checks there first before going to a DNS server	10:32
pupnik	uh well newer 0.72 with fixed pointer alignment should be up on my site	10:32
pupnik	s/pointer//	10:32
infobot	pupnik meant: uh well newer 0.72 with fixed alignment should be up on my site	10:32
Addison	I also asked about what the approximate speed it runs at comparable to a computer.	10:33
Addison	Is is somewhere around 4 mghz?	10:33
GeneralAntilles	What runs at?	10:33
Addison	Is it somewhere around 4 mghz?	10:33
pupnik	on 770 about 4.77-8 mhz 8086, on 810 about 8-10 mhz 8086/80286	10:33
Addison	Sorry, I'm a little drunk right now. I'd probably would have better luck typing with my feet. :o)	10:34
Addison	Thanks pupnik. That's all I was asking for.	10:34
Lynoure	Addison: don't worry, it could have been milligigahertz :)	10:34
pupnik	if we ever get a dynamic cpu recompiler for x86-arm the speed will go up a lot	10:35
Addison	So your done with your project of Dosbox? No more updates or things to look forward to?	10:35
pupnik	there's tons left to do	10:35
Addison	Have you gotten your 810 in the mail yet?	10:36
pupnik	a sdl-game launcher, savestates, accelerated 320x200 / 320x240 vga modes	10:36
pupnik	yes	10:36
Addison	Excellent! :o)	10:36
Addison	What kind of junk do you have running in Dosbox or don't you use it that much?	10:37
pupnik	also n810 keyboard support, and of course a decent one-click installer	10:37
pupnik	i played some ultima 5 and prince of persia and alleycat	10:38
Addison	How does prince of persia fair? Like does it run really chunky?	10:39
pupnik	on 770 with a tweaked dosbox.conf (frameskip, cpu cycles) it was just barely playable	10:40
ha1f	can sdl_media play mp3's on the n800/n810?	10:41
pupnik	dunno	10:42
ha1f	bummer.	10:42
unique311_	dosbox is a game emu?	10:43
ha1f	it's a dos emulator in general afiak	10:43
pupnik	it's an x86 PC emulator with built-in dos shell	10:44
ha1f	does anyone know if there is anyway to play an mp3 in python on the n800/n810? pygame fails completely.	10:44
pupnik	if you install gstreamer tools/utils, you can play a mp3 with a system call	10:45
pupnik	which is kind of nice because it'll use the dsp instead of cpu	10:46
ha1f	will i have control over the mp3, or will it just play after the call?	10:46
jott	pupnik: speaking of ultima, would you like to update your port for os2008 or put the original diff somewhere?	10:46
jott	(exult)	10:47
pupnik	wanna help work on exult?! :)	10:47
jott	why not :)	10:47
pupnik	wooo	10:47
pupnik	just a minute	10:49
jott	mh can someone reproduce: in the chinook sdk run "rpcgen", i'll get "/scratchbox/tools/alien_bin/rpcgen.bin: error while loading shared libraries: /scratchbox/tools/alien_bin/rpcgen.bin: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"	10:49
jott	(with armel selected)	10:49
\|tbb\|	is there a known way to send sms with n810 from skype account?	10:53
Lynoure	Hmm, even my desktop skype does not seem to offer sms	11:05
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\|tbb\|	mine does	11:06
ha1f	sms, or chat? i've never noticed an sms feature...	11:07
Lynoure	\|tbb\|: Where? on which version?	11:08
ha1f	oh wow it does have that feature	11:08
ha1f	http://www.skype.com/help/guides/sms.html	11:08
ha1f	don't see it on my n800 though :\	11:09
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Lynoure	On this Linux skype I don't even have a Tools menu	11:10
\|tbb\|	ha1f that's my problem	11:10
Lynoure	and it is the latest beta there is.	11:10
Khertan	jott: same thing here	11:11
Khertan	Hi	11:11
jott	thanks for testing..	11:12
Khertan	Someone know how can i make a transparent gtk label ?	11:12
jott	any idea how i can fix this? (i.e. force arm based rpcgen or create this alien_bin dir)?	11:12
\|tbb\|	i wonder why skype doesnt offer this service on maemo or even on website	11:12
Khertan	i mean a gtk.Label with a trasparent background	11:13
Lynoure	\|tbb\|: do they offer it in some Linux skype? If so, which one?	11:13
Khertan	jott: don't know sorry	11:13
Lynoure	Not that their sms prices are any less than normal sms prices here :)	11:13
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\|tbb\|	your right no sms on nix xsytems	11:15
Khertan	i like the pygtk faq	11:17
Khertan	13.42. How do I show a picture (image) in a treeview background or exist any way how to set treeview (and window with treeview) as transparency ?	11:17
Khertan	R U KIDDING ME?	11:17
Khertan	this is their answer	11:17
Khertan	very helpfull	11:18
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Addison	Hey pupnik, are you still here?	11:50
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\|tbb\|	inz, generalantiles found a way now,thx to #bash printf '\033c\033[!p\033[?3;4l\033>'	11:56
GeneralAntilles	Cool	11:57
\|tbb\|	yeah :)	11:58
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Khertan	does source of available home applet in 2008 are available somewhere	12:12
Khertan	?	12:13
pupnik	jenesaispas	12:13
pupnik	hi Addison	12:13
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melmoth	Khertan: apt-get source ?	12:14
Khertan	hum ... don t see it ...	12:14
Khertan	in apt-cache	12:14
Addison	Oh hey! I wanted to ask you if you are able to get any music or sound in Dosbox?	12:14
melmoth	Khertan: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Writing_a_Plug-in_for_Maemo	12:19
melmoth	now, i remember there was also this video presentation about the pythn pluggin and a hello world with it, but i forgot the url	12:19
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melmoth	http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/	12:29
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UCLAgeek	is anyone out there?	12:48
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pupnik	In the epistemological sense?	12:49
UCLAgeek	heh	12:49
UCLAgeek	In any sense I suppose	12:49
UCLAgeek	I'm trying out KDE on the n 800	12:50
pupnik	how's it working for you?	12:50
UCLAgeek	good so far, have you seen/tried it?	12:51
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UCLAgeek	hmm	12:54
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Khertan	melmoth: yes i ve saw this video ... but what i m looking is writing text with transparent backgroud :)	12:57
Khertan	melmoth: i ve already one plugin which work ... but it lack transparency	12:58
Khertan	melmoth: and if i understand the source in the wiki ... it s not a transparent widget too ... :'	13:00
melmoth	hmm. I never tryed to do any transparent stuff.	13:01
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Khertan	melmoth: me too ... but needed for a home applet :)	13:09
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Cptnodegard	anyone have any idea how to change colors for GPE summary?	13:22
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pupnik	haha nice.. the idling n810 got disconnected from my wep wlan and gave a system sound	13:27
pupnik	so i fired up kismet on the 770 and found someone blasting deauth packets	13:27
pupnik	probably the neighbor kid	13:28
pupnik	kudos to nokia for making OS2008 play a sound when it loses connection :)	13:29
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	13:29
GeneralAntilles	Did you hax his box? :P	13:29
pupnik	no, not interested in that kind of game	13:30
GeneralAntilles	Redirect all all his DNS requests to the NSA's website.	13:30
GeneralAntilles	*of	13:30
pupnik	hmrm	13:32
pupnik	if I set up hostAP i think there will be no ssid broadcast	13:32
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pupnik	or just do usb networking for now	13:32
lcuk	mornin folks	13:33
pupnik	huhu	13:34
GeneralAntilles	Switch to WPA2	13:34
lcuk	i have a compiling question... i can code and run python quite happily now with my windows based editor and scp copying, but if i need a c module compiling i am stuck. is it possible to compile directly on the device? i know its impractical for big jobs but for what i need it would be benificial	13:37
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melmoth	lcuk: it supposed to be possible, but i never try it.	13:50
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lcuk	melmoth, i suppose i will try it then, its just everything ive read was geared to scratchbox which seems like an awful lot just for small mods	13:53
lcuk	i will document my trials and see where i get up to :)	13:53
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melmoth	if you dont need anything fancy, scratchbox install and works easily	14:00
pupnik	http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux	14:01
pupnik	the wiki still links to the 42-18 os2008	14:01
pupnik	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	14:01
pupnik	where is the newer one	14:01
GeneralAntilles	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php ?	14:02
lcuk	mel - i have windows desktop - since i have a linux box in my hand i would have thought i could do it directly on here. i will be finding out later	14:03
pupnik	sorry stupid question	14:03
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pupnik	(entering your code leads to a page with three images)	14:04
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lcuk	pupnik its not a stupid question if the wiki is out of date and you are trying to follow its instructions	14:04
pupnik	well it's rather irrelevant since after entering code, you see all versions available	14:05
mbuf	where can i get the source code for qemu for Maemo?	14:05
pupnik	wiki should just link to the link GeneralAntilles referenced	14:05
lcuk	agreed	14:05
GeneralAntilles	Fix it, then.	14:05
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lcuk	i think i need to start joining all these clubs	14:07
Jaffa	Morning, all	14:08
* Jaffa has a plan to solve the repository problem. Need to write it up for maemo-devel		14:09
lcuk	omg jaffa im so sorry i think i am eating your brother right now	14:09
timely	Jaffa: what problems? :)	14:09
* lcuk puts down the orange		14:09
Jaffa	lcuk: small ones are more juicy, naturally	14:10
timely	Jaffa: afaict people still use mine and it still works :)	14:10
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Jaffa	timely: not that problem, the whole "lets have lots of them and it's not a problem for the users cos it's so easy for us devs" problem kinda thing	14:11
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lcuk	jaffa - one repo to rule them all - one repo to bind them	14:12
timely	lcuk: and in the darkness only gronmayer will find them	14:12
lcuk	lol	14:12
timely	Jaffa: step one: shoot all the devs	14:13
timely	step two: ...	14:13
Jaffa	step three: profit!	14:13
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lcuk	actually, in the (minimum setting nokia decides is darkness) only gronmayer....	14:13
timely	oh right, i forgot that step	14:14
Jaffa	Reminds me of the old MS joke: How many Microsoft developers does it take to change a lightbulb? None, they just define dark as the new industry standard and move on.	14:14
* timely grins		14:14
lcuk	in soviet russia, darkness defines YOU!	14:15
* lcuk cant believe he said that		14:15
Lynoure	heh	14:18
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pupnik	gronmeyer's addition of one-click install for the various repos is quite nice	14:22
[pablo]	is there an rss feed somewhere of latest updates on maemo.org/downloads ?	14:23
[pablo]	nevermind, browser was being lame and not detecting it right, i found it	14:24
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Jaffa	pupnik: doesn't help with the lack of QA and the fact there's conflicting software between the repos.	14:32
timely	Jaffa: do you know how to get hardware details from /proc?	14:32
Jaffa	h/w details on what?	14:32
Jaffa	s/on/of/	14:33
infobot	Jaffa meant: h/w details of what?	14:33
timely	essentially the tablet's hardware build identifier	14:33
timely	there are theoretically different versions of the hardware	14:33
Jaffa	Hmm, I've seen it mentioned somewhere; but can't remember the details.	14:33
alterego	timeless, you mean RX44 etc ?	14:33
timely	no	14:33
Jaffa	Ah. Mrs Jaffa calling: lunch ready.	14:33
timely	more granular	14:34
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alterego	Going buy RX44 is the best way imo	14:34
alterego	That is the device's hardware name. That's it's profile.	14:34
timely	alterego: so, for a given model, e.g. the 770	14:34
timely	there is more than one hardware version	14:34
timely	they're going to look the same	14:34
alterego	So?	14:34
timely	but they would have slightly different hardware components	14:35
Khertan	[pablo]: browser isn't lame ... it the page source which lame ...	14:35
timely	and if some of the components are flakier than others...	14:35
alterego	Hmmm.	14:35
[pablo]	Khertan: well, flock didn't recognize it but firefox did	14:35
Khertan	[pablo]: huh ? my firefox didn't	14:35
timely	/proc/component_version	14:35
timely	e.g. i have su-18/1602	14:36
timely	the 1602 being the interesting part	14:36
alterego	Yeah, that's probably more like what you're looking for.	14:36
timely	Jaffa: i ask because for 2673, it'd be nice to know which versions people have	14:36
[pablo]	Khertan: really? gave me the rss icon in the url bar and clicking on it provided3 feeds, 1 feed each for 2008/2007/2006	14:36
alterego	hw-build etc.	14:36
timely	alterego: i'm not asking because i don't know, i'm asking whether he new	14:36
timely	and then spreading some information virally :)	14:37
alterego	Ah	14:37
alterego	Heh	14:37
* timely infects alterego and jacques		14:37
* timely infects alterego and Jaffa		14:37
timely	go forth and multiply or something	14:37
alterego	Not sure that's possible, both being guys and all :P	14:37
timely	alterego: virii reproduce asexually	14:39
timely	no problem there	14:39
lcuk	khertan, bug report, editor still does not allow tap open of files from file manager, but will now open if i select app from the list. however it opens 2 tabs a blank code window and the file i selected	14:39
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lcuk	ie tap file says unable to recognise file search for an app to open it	14:40
lcuk	i select pygtked and it opens with the file then	14:41
Khertan	lcuk: hum ... yes ... mime type ve been deleted in this release ... because it s not finished :)	14:41
lcuk	thats fair enough, just thought i would let you know. i have been more able to use it now with the indenting. ty	14:42
Khertan	so it filemanager say that it don't recognize the file ... but if u select pygtkeditor it open it ... this wasn't the case in previous release ...	14:42
Khertan	and ... Thanks for your report	14:42
lcuk	no, previous release from repo just opened it with no file	14:43
Khertan	lcuk: for information i ve successfuly use python binding for hildon desktop ...	14:43
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lcuk	cool	14:43
Khertan	and i ve one home plugin which work ... but now i m trying to do it more ... cool ... (transparent mainly)	14:43
lcuk	:)	14:43
lcuk	brb	14:44
Khertan	brb too	14:44
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ulises	aye up chaps	14:45
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lcuk	can 8x0s overheat if you lay them on top of a pillow? i was sat with it on a pillow on my knee and i notice its warm	14:48
* lcuk has it on a book now just incase but the back is very slippery		14:48
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hugolp	anyone knows where I can find mysql-client for OS2008?	14:52
hugolp	renatofilho^: you arround?	14:52
pupnik	i doubt they overheat lcuk	14:52
ciccio124	!list	14:53
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lcuk	i doubt it too, but it was just a thought	14:53
lcuk	on the slippery back subject, does anyone know where i can get a big sheet of sticky back rubber - like a massive tyre puncture repair patch	14:54
lcuk	i want to coat the entire back of my 810 so it grips better	14:55
jeddy3	lcuk isn't there some kind of paint/spray that would work?	14:56
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lcuk	i dunno, the best i have found is a puncture repair thing ive got a couple stuck on the left hand side but they keep coming off - but at least with a a patch i can take it off again if i want to sell it. with paint i cant	14:57
ulises	anyone tried XFCE on the 770?	14:57
ulises	I just got mine and I'd like to start messing about with it	14:58
lcuk	ulises people have diff desktops compiling on diff models (think kde is latest) but ive not heard of xfce . have you tried a google?	15:01
ulises	tried indeed	15:01
ulises	my question was more aimed at porting different WM to the tablet	15:01
ulises	such as fluxbox	15:01
ulises	just compiled it and it works	15:02
ulises	integration is far from acceptable, but that's me blindly killing matchbox and running fluxbox	15:02
ulises	so I was more asking for documentation on how to replace the default desktop with your own	15:02
ulises	sorry if I asked the wrong question :)	15:02
lcuk	np i just looked and some1 aappears to have xfce runnin	15:03
pupnik	http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/01/securitymatters_0110 Bruce Schneier on why he runs an open wireless network	15:04
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pupnik	ulises - check internettablettalk.com for xfce examples	15:05
ulises	cheers pup	15:05
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ulises	aaah, openbox ... nice	15:10
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czr	mornik	15:24
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Lynoure	czr: Hello :)	15:27
czr	hey Lynoure, long time :-).	15:28
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Lynoure	czr: Would you happen to know any howto for getting os2007 apps to work for os2008 or just getting stuff os2008-happy? I'm having evince withdrawal symptoms	15:28
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czr	hmm. the mailinglist had some stuff about problems with evince (I think for 2008)	15:29
czr	as for the other stuff, yes, I'd know something, but that's mostly to do with API changes and different names for libs (hildon and such)	15:30
czr	mind you, I just came back from a one month vacation during which I thought about maemo for exactly zero times :-)	15:30
Lynoure	I have not even seen evince for os2008. Even problematic one might be ok.	15:31
Lynoure	Yey :)	15:31
czr	let me check the ml what the thing was there..	15:31
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czr	search for "Build Evince on Maemo" from 2008-01-07 (from Ed Bartosh)	15:33
czr	I think someone is doing a 2008 port as we speak (will go into garage)	15:33
czr	Lynoure, the ml archives are available on maemo.org (look under the "Lists" section)	15:33
czr	seems that evince needs some amount of patching anyway	15:33
czr	and those patches were never pushed upstream since they were maemo-specific	15:34
Lynoure	czr: a bit too complicated for a maemo newbie then, maybe.	15:35
czr	Lynoure, probably. however, you might want to sub to the ml to see when evince is ready :-)	15:35
czr	or just contact the people directly who are doing the port	15:36
czr	they might want some help :-)	15:36
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* czr has no idea how difficult the whole porting this is.		15:36
czr	if one has working bora sw, porting that to chinook normally isn't all that hard	15:36
Lynoure	czr: I could contact them and offer 10 euros for their refreshment budget	15:37
czr	:-)	15:37
Lynoure	I was quite happy with the old evince for os2008. It would not open every pdf, but that was ok	15:38
* czr nods		15:38
czr	I honestly haven't used my devices for anything	15:38
czr	during my vacation I started my N00 exactly once	15:38
Lynoure	How was the vacation? :)	15:38
czr	very relaxing :-)	15:39
czr	ah yes, warm too :-) mostly.	15:39
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Jaffa	timely: FWIW, I've got hw-build 0801 on mine. Mrs Jaffa's is downstairs so can't check hers	15:59
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zoran	some soul uses dict app on the gadget with dictd server on the net?	16:58
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\|tbb\|	how can i easy list date of files in this format dd.mm.yyyy ? something like ls -al myfilename	17:23
zoran	if I recall well, date command should be set with "+" and including []	17:24
zoran	what shell?	17:25
\|tbb\|	yes shell	17:26
zoran	hm?	17:26
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petergunn	in gnu ls you can use --time-format but it wont work with busybox	17:35
petergunn	oops --time-style :-)	17:35
petergunn	perl script is probably easiest way	17:36
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* \|tbb\| search for an method to do it in sh script i		17:36
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zoran	the most simple way would be to set time format as variable	17:37
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petergunn	does that work with busybox?	17:37
zoran	dunno really	17:38
zoran	I cannot guess what the very purpose should be	17:38
zoran	someone has idea how to from imap send mail, as reply or intependently?	17:40
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petergunn	for f in /media/mmc2/*; do perl -e '@s=stat(@ARGV[0]); @t=localtime(@s[10]); printf "%02d.%02d.%04d @ARGV[0]\n",1+@t[4],1+@t[3],1900+@t[5];' $f; done	17:43
petergunn	output...	17:43
petergunn	01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2	17:43
petergunn	01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb	17:43
petergunn	01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb	17:43
petergunn	01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb	17:43
petergunn	01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/local.img	17:43
petergunn	01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/swap.img	17:43
petergunn	lolz - dates were wrong - here is fixed version... (uses file mod time)...	17:45
petergunn	for f in /media/mmc2/*; do perl -e '@s=stat(@ARGV[0]); @t=localtime(@s[9]); printf "%02d.%02d.%04d @ARGV[0]\n",1+@t[4],@t[3],1900+@t[5];' $f; done	17:45
petergunn	12.29.2007 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2	17:46
petergunn	01.08.2008 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb	17:46
petergunn	01.08.2008 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb	17:46
petergunn	01.08.2008 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb	17:46
petergunn	01.12.2008 /media/mmc2/local.img	17:46
petergunn	01.12.2008 /media/mmc2/swap.img	17:46
petergunn	ls output...	17:46
petergunn	-rw-r--r-- 1 user root 308317552 Dec 29 00:48 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2	17:46
petergunn	-rw-r--r-- 1 user root 308122 Jan 8 21:10 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb	17:46
petergunn	-rw-r--r-- 1 user root 21260684 Jan 8 22:31 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb	17:46
petergunn	-rw-r--r-- 1 user root 510548 Jan 8 21:16 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb	17:46
petergunn	-rw-r--r-- 1 user root 1342177280 Jan 12 12:39 /media/mmc2/local.img	17:46
petergunn	-rw-r--r-- 1 user root 134217728 Jan 12 12:39 /media/mmc2/swap.img	17:46
zoran	date should be corrected, day first, as original poster wanted	17:46
petergunn	ah ok...	17:46
petergunn	for f in /media/mmc2/*; do perl -e '@s=stat(@ARGV[0]); @t=localtime(@s[9]); printf "%02d.%02d.%04d @ARGV[0]\n",@t[3],@t[4],1900+@t[5];' $f; done	17:47
petergunn	29.11.2007 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2	17:47
zoran	and sorting in 3 loops, prom year, to month, to day	17:47
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zoran	*from	17:48
\|tbb\|	petergunn thx, but that wasnt what i want i just wanted to know if there is an easy way without doing loops etc	17:48
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\|tbb\|	-perl	17:48
zoran	yes, lemme check some old cd	17:48
petergunn	if you output YYYY-MM-DD you can just use sort cmd	17:48
Jaffa	Right, grand plan unveiled on maemo-dev. Time to decamp to the sofa for a cuppa.	17:49
* petergunn would prefer if os2008 came with GNU ls, and syntax highlighting vim		17:50
zoran	$(date +%d-%m-%Y)	17:50
pupnik	there's a very nice vi build from bsd avail at abour 200kB	17:50
pupnik	stock linux vim is a bloated whale at ~5MB	17:50
petergunn	zoran: nice - I didnt realize that ash was that capable :-)	17:51
zoran	I used it for tcsh	17:51
zoran	now, lets see old cd	17:51
petergunn	for f in /media/mmc2/*; do date -r $f +"%d-%m-%Y $f"; done	17:53
petergunn	29-12-2007 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2	17:53
petergunn	08-01-2008 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb	17:53
petergunn	08-01-2008 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb	17:53
petergunn	08-01-2008 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb	17:53
petergunn	12-01-2008 /media/mmc2/local.img	17:53
petergunn	12-01-2008 /media/mmc2/swap.img	17:53
petergunn	nice :-)	17:54
zoran	I cannot recall the app that trims parts of the line	17:54
zoran	used it years ago and forgot	17:54
petergunn	what u wanna trim?	17:55
zoran	parts of output so \| could make a job	17:55
zoran	cut maybe	17:55
zoran	yes, it is	17:55
zoran	and -d	17:55
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alterego	Anyone know if the N95 has a memory card slot?	18:09
kaltsi	yes it has	18:12
kaltsi	microSD	18:12
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Khertan	Hi ... again ...	18:21
Khertan	maybe some gtk guru can help me ...	18:21
Khertan	i ve made a plugin with only a gtk.Frame in ...	18:22
Khertan	but this frame is blank ...	18:22
Khertan	how can i set the alpha or transparency ?	18:22
alterego	I'm still suprised no-one has packages wireless tools yet.	18:24
alterego	Okay .. Maybe someone has ^_^	18:26
L0cN800	i have wirelesstools installed	18:28
Khertan	alterego: it s already released ... but still useless	18:29
Khertan	:)	18:29
alterego	Heh	18:29
Khertan	is there a chan somewhere where i can find gtk guru ?	18:30
alterego	irc.gnome.org ##gtk+	18:30
Khertan	hum ... thx alterego	18:30
Khertan	come back later ...	18:30
Khertan	:)	18:30
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Khertan	(i need to learn how to use irssi on multiple servers)	18:31
alterego	Heh	18:31
alterego	iwconfig appears to work on my N810 ..	18:33
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LoCusF	heck, gotta get a E51 this year	18:35
Khertan	iwconfig ? for setting mode monitoring ?	18:36
Khertan	for setting MAC address ?	18:36
\|tbb\|	khertan why i t should be useless=	18:36
\|tbb\|	sed /=/?/	18:36
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Khertan	\|tbb\|: because setting something with it in the n800 in os2007 make the private driver not work properly	18:38
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alterego	Well, whatever I've done I've broken it :P	18:38
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alterego	I tried to set it to monitoring mode.	18:38
alterego	Tried but failed.	18:38
Khertan	arg ....	18:38
\|tbb\|	hmmh	18:39
\|tbb\|	what u mean with private driver	18:39
alterego	It's not all a loss though. I'm going to compile the driver for my ZD1211 based USB dongle :)	18:42
Khertan	this gtk/transparency problem will me make crazy ...	18:42
alterego	Khertan, I did know how to do it. But I've forgotten sorry :/	18:42
Khertan	alterego: grrrr ... :)	18:43
Khertan	alterego: any links / tutos / beers ?	18:43
alterego	Heh	18:43
Khertan	alterego: you know that i ve finally made this hildondesktop binding works ...	18:43
Khertan	this is why i need transparency :)	18:44
alterego	http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine/	18:44
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Khertan	only with the rgba colormap ?	18:46
Khertan	there isn't exampel it just say to set the rgba colormap ...	18:47
alterego	Right	18:47
Khertan	so a simple set_colormap in python should be enougth ... i m trying	18:48
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alterego	Yes	18:48
Khertan	once i ve found the arguments of the methods :)	18:49
Khertan	hum ... it take a gdk.ColorMap ...	18:50
alterego	http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-question-index.html -- Item 1.25	18:50
Khertan	but there isn't too many explication	18:50
alterego	Sorry, 1.15 ..	18:50
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Khertan	i ve see this one last time on the faq	18:51
Khertan	ocs/pygtk/class-gdkcolormap.html	18:52
Khertan	transp	18:52
Khertan	arg ...	18:52
Khertan	http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=show&file=faq13.042.htp	18:52
pupnik	man, that's gonna be a compositing operation added to every draw... slow...	18:52
Khertan	not very helpfull	18:52
Khertan	pupnik: it s for hildondesktop ...	18:52
Khertan	home applet	18:52
pupnik	ok well, it does look pretty	18:53
Khertan	:)	18:53
Khertan	for a application transparency isn't needed :)	18:53
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solmumaha	pupnik: pm	18:53
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skibur	Good Morning!	19:00
Khertan	ouch ... pygtk documentation / and api in maemo differs	19:00
Khertan	def get_rgba_colormap()	19:00
Khertan	in documentation ... and ask me an argument in python	19:00
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lmoura	Khertan, what OS? 2k7 or 2k8?	19:01
Khertan	2008	19:01
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Khertan	oups ... sorry ... it s a mistake	19:01
skibur	Y2K8?	19:01
Khertan	i m wrongly call it on a wrong object	19:02
lmoura	oh, ok	19:02
Khertan	i assume it was a static call	19:03
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lophyte-n	hey all... anyone know if its possible to read Microsoft eReader books on n800?	19:05
Veggen	lophyte: probably not.	19:05
spirytusick	lophyte-n: not directly, unpackage them with clit and then use your favourite reader (read FBReader) :)	19:05
lophyte-n	ahhh, nice	19:05
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Khertan	lmoura: but there is another problem	19:06
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Khertan	lmoura: executing gtk.gdk.Screen().get_rgba_colormap() give a segfault in ipython	19:06
lophyte-n	clit can unpackage any lit? i don't want to buy a book and find out i can't read it on my n800	19:07
Khertan	lmoura: and with python too	19:07
Khertan	alterego: i ll never get my python transparent home applet:)	19:08
Khertan	today	19:08
alterego	Heh	19:08
lmoura	Khertan, pastebin?	19:09
lmoura	another thing, are you using the python-hildondesktop?	19:09
spirytusick	lophyte-n: so far it unpackaged any I have tried it against	19:10
Khertan	lmoura> just two line python script ...	19:10
lmoura	oh, ok	19:10
Khertan	http://pastebin.com/d111f3f0a	19:11
lophyte-n	spirytusick, nice... thanks :)	19:11
Khertan	lmoura: yes i'm using the python-hildondesktop ...	19:11
Khertan	but for the segfault i ve made an example ...	19:12
Khertan	lmoura: i ve successfully compiled it ... and using it at this time ...	19:12
spirytusick	lophyte-n: I've been using it for quite some time now although most of my books are of palm descent...	19:12
Khertan	lmoura: but now i m trying to do transparent hildondesktop home applet... to not break my nice wallpaper :)	19:13
lmoura	Khertan, we are planning to release a package this week	19:13
Khertan	great	19:13
hugolp	anyone know where I can find packets to mysql-client for the OS2008?	19:13
Khertan	i ve do too ... i was preparing my own repos ...	19:13
Khertan	but it ll be better to have one in the same repos	19:14
giskard	213.156.44.152 -> repository.maemo.org gives me a 401 when i try to "apt-get update"	19:14
giskard	this is a already know bug, which prevent some italian users to connecto to repo.maemo.org	19:14
giskard	do you know if there are others official repo?	19:14
Khertan	lmoura: do u reproduct the segfault ?	19:15
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lmoura	Khertan, yes	19:16
Khertan	lmoura: maybe i don t use gtk.gdk in a wrong way ...	19:16
lmoura	I don't think so	19:16
Khertan	s/don t use/use	19:16
lmoura	it passes in desktop	19:16
lmoura	so, probably there's something wrong	19:16
lmoura	I'm writing a small c test	19:16
Khertan	snif ...	19:16
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Khertan	i ll be not the first to release a nice transparent widget ... ;)	19:17
alterego	:)	19:18
Khertan	maybe i m on the wrong way ... the purpose was first to make a transparent label for my home applet ... but there is maybe an other way ?	19:18
lophyte-n	spirytusick, do you buy ebooks at all?	19:18
Khertan	alterego: don't laught ...	19:19
Khertan	:	19:19
Khertan	:)	19:19
Khertan	brb in 8min	19:19
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lmoura	Khertan, the C function is returning null	19:20
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lmoura	Oh, another thing planned are goocanvas bindings	19:21
lmoura	Their demo runs quite fine, even animations	19:22
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alterego	Ooo .. I know what I can do with my N800 ..	19:24
solmumaha	sell it to me?	19:27
alterego	I have two ideas. One get my brother to give me a new phone when he gets a new handset on his contract and swap it for the N800, the second is to work on my own OS for it.	19:27
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alterego	Three ideas: Third is to try and get the development maemo tree on it :)	19:27
lmoura	Khertan, I got it. pygobject_new(NULL) segfaults	19:28
Khertan	re	19:29
* alterego chuckles.		19:29
alterego	That's not good.	19:29
Khertan	lmoura: so how to do ?	19:29
alterego	solmumaha, I'm setting up my maemo SDK now. So I'm a little behind schedule but hopefully 0.4.1 will be out on Wednesday :)	19:30
lmoura	Khertan, I guess you'll have to wait a bit until we release a fix by this week (probably tuesday)	19:30
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Khertan	lmoura: ah ... ok. thx for your help !	19:33
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lmoura	Khertan, we forgot something	19:39
lmoura	import pygtk :)	19:39
lmoura	It works	19:39
alterego	Hah	19:39
lmoura	Well, at least doen't segfaults, but returns none (as in C)	19:40
alterego	Ah yes, I remember in the source they don't include dependencies ..	19:40
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lophyte-n	anyone know a good site to buy ebooks that i can read on my n800?	19:44
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skibur	?	21:56
inz	petergunn, you see a gaping hole below you	21:57
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Robot101	this is badgeredbeyond belief badgers on a snakeyayayawoot on badgers indeed	22:00
Robot101	hm	22:00
Robot101	that was a test, apologies :)	22:00
pupnik	badger mushroom?	22:02
GeneralAntilles	Robot101, you failed.	22:02
* Robot101 is playing with wondershaper to make his ssh more interactive		22:03
* Robot101 isn't succeeding		22:03
* Robot101 can't remember what the speed of his cable line is		22:03
Robot101	well, not mine, my housemate's	22:03
* lcuk hopes his cable speed is zero		22:03
* lcuk hates it when it waves around in the wind		22:03
Robot101	ooh thats a lot better	22:05
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Robot101	I have a really slow upload it seems	22:05
Robot101	maybe it's 2Mbit down, 128 up	22:05
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Delio	hello	22:45
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petergunn	anyone used vpnc thru DUN?	22:46
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nick_fn	What is the difference between "arm" and "armel" architectures?	23:11
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Robot101	the el means endian little, which is a bad joke	23:12
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Robot101	but arm is little endian too	23:13
Robot101	it's actually different because it uses the new ARM ABI	23:13
nick_fn	So armel is the N770, and arm is the N8x0 ?	23:13
Robot101	which changes the way that the registers are laid out when functions are called	23:13
Robot101	and also how system calls are made in the kernel	23:13
Robot101	to take advantage of new CPU features in more recent ARM cores	23:13
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nick_fn	I ask because I'm trying to find gnumeric for OS2007/N800. It's listed at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/gnumeric/ , but the packages are only for armel.	23:14
Robot101	armel is the newer one	23:14
Robot101	the N770 was arm, the N800 onwards uses armel	23:14
nick_fn	ah, ok.	23:14
nick_fn	thanks :-)	23:15
Blafasel	Hrmpf. Still waiting and praying that I get my device tomorrow..	23:15
Delio	someone the other day was showing off some code to create desktop applets in python	23:18
Delio	any chances to get that published somewhere?	23:19
lcuk	delio unless they were just showing you screenshots then you should have the code	23:22
lcuk	or was he just talking about them	23:22
Delio	just talking about it	23:22
Delio	and I cannot recall who it was	23:22
Delio	>.<	23:22
lcuk	have a look back through the history log (its done daily - google finds it) and see if you can find him	23:23
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lcuk	looking myself it was (who i thought it was) khertan	23:24
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lcuk	http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%23maemo+log+python+desktop+applet+delio&btnG=Search&meta=	23:27
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Delio	thanks a lot, I forgot about the log history :P	23:28
lcuk	:)	23:28
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spirytusick	time to take the red pill....	23:42
spirytusick	gd night...	23:42
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__Nikos__	is there a bluetooth headset for n800 os2007?	23:43
Blafasel	Interesting. Someone in the log said that the N800 is "better" than the N810? Is that the overall opinion?	23:43
GeneralAntilles	Not really.	23:43
GeneralAntilles	Duh, Blafasel.	23:43
Blafasel	Yeah, right. It was you.	23:43
GeneralAntilles	Cheaper, lighter, much much much more storage, not stupid thumbboard, no stupid button placement, etc.	23:44
GeneralAntilles	s/not/no/	23:44
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: Cheaper, lighter, much much much more storage, no stupid thumbboard, no stupid button placement, etc.	23:44
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Dist	Never tried N800, but N810 is a bit hard to hold and the pouch is really bad	23:45
Dist	Needs a metallic cover or something like that	23:45
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Blafasel	Hard to hold? Because of the shape?	23:46
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Dist	Yeah, and no place to attach any strap so feels like it's very easy to drop also	23:46
lcuk	Dist - i am trying to find a big piece of sticky back rubber	23:47
lcuk	its so easy to drop	23:47
lcuk	ive improvised with tyre puncture repair patches	23:47
lcuk	i lie on back in bed reading and hold it between first 2 knuckles - dont ask - and it slides out really easily	23:48
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GeneralAntilles	Ha	23:48
GeneralAntilles	I love the stand	23:48
GeneralAntilles	I can lie on my side in bed and just let it sit there on its stand.	23:48
lcuk	i cant read sideways - i wear glasses	23:49
GeneralAntilles	Rotate the text.	23:49
GeneralAntilles	http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html	23:49
GeneralAntilles	a little ways down that page.	23:49
lcuk	its not the shape of the screen - its glasses in side of head from pillow	23:49
GeneralAntilles	Oh, right	23:49
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, I get that a little, too.	23:49
lcuk	they cost about as much as the 810 so i aint gonna bend them out of shape	23:49
GeneralAntilles	Mostly near-sighted, though, so I don't need to wear them to read.	23:50
* GeneralAntilles needs new ones.		23:50
lcuk	ive read on my back now since my first pda - its soothing and i know im dozing off	23:50
* lcuk puts it down when he nearly drops it		23:50
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	23:50
GeneralAntilles	I can't sleep on my back.	23:50
Blafasel	Can you give me some comments regarding the wifi/gps signal quality? The first was quite bad in most S60 Nokias I've seen, the latter was the reason for a discussion on this channel some days ago.	23:51
lcuk	the other thing - fbreader does the page up/down thing really badly - i have it set rotated and i have a huge info area at the bottom (with clock etc in it) and clicking there moves pages instead of being locked as i set in my preference	23:51
GeneralAntilles	Wifi reception in the whole lineup of NITs is the best I've ever seen.	23:52
GeneralAntilles	File a bug, lcuk	23:52
GeneralAntilles	fbreader.org	23:52
lcuk	im a member there!	23:52
lcuk	ive already filed one bug and yes i will	23:52
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GeneralAntilles	I tell you what, I would not be the maemo proponent I am today without FBReader.	23:53
GeneralAntilles	FANTASTIC goddamn application.	23:53
GeneralAntilles	The NIT screens are PERFECT for reading.	23:53
lcuk	tbh - im a bit upset about reading books on this	23:53
GeneralAntilles	Why?	23:53
shack008n	how betterr, or worse, is battery life when networking over bluetooth rather than using the wifi transceiver?	23:54
lcuk	well, each screen LOOKS fantastic, dont get me wrong. its the refresh time that worries me.	23:54
GeneralAntilles	shack008n, the wifi powersaving isn't as good.	23:55
GeneralAntilles	But it's not a LOT worse	23:55
GeneralAntilles	The phone always takes a dive first, anyway. ;)	23:55
lcuk	i came from an old fujitsu Loox with isolo which was fast enough to do kinetic scrolling	23:55
GeneralAntilles	er, *the bluetooth powersaving isn't very good compared to wifi.	23:55
shack008n	GeneralAntilles: mm, i was using adhoc to my laptop, now bluetoth	23:55
GeneralAntilles	Really? Refresh time doesn't bother me.	23:55
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GeneralAntilles	It's still faster than turning a page in a paperback. ;)	23:56
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lcuk	ive got it set on 810 now to display about the same amount of text and the old device side by side with new device kills it	23:56
GeneralAntilles	PAN, shack008n?	23:56
lcuk	this is with a 5 year old pda	23:56
shack008n	let's see if i'm still here in three hours	23:56
shack008n	GeneralAntilles: yes	23:56
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GeneralAntilles	I scroll page-by-page, so I don't notice refresh.	23:56
Blafasel	Hmpf. My coworker got my N810 in NYC, but I've no idea if I can meet him tomorrow (he arrives, I leave for switzerland). Damn	23:56
lcuk	it could just be the generic fbreader code which is doing it which i why ive not really done anything about it	23:57
lcuk	but once i get upto speed with the device i will be doing what i can to get crisp screen refresh	23:57
lcuk	gen - i do as well, and rotated 90degrees i see the text draw from the left to right (top to bottom in real view)	23:57
GeneralAntilles	Need to get a courier to bring it from him to you, Blafasel. ;)	23:57
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, that's the problem with reading against-the-grain as it were.	23:58
* lcuk got nokia superquick expensive delivery (i couldnt wait)		23:58
lcuk	reading a portrait page like every other book reader?	23:58
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lcuk	i think the code can be made faster - we know the device has limitations but i believe a double buffer algoyrthm might work	23:59
Blafasel	GeneralAntilles: Hmm.. A lot of money for my lack of patience.. ;)	23:59
lcuk	i mean fbreader waits about .25 seconds before paging next anyway - might as well have it render in that time	23:59

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