IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2008-01-13

Epelooni checked for updates, and i found an update for "maps"00:00
melmothall i know about is it comes with more python goodness (as far as i know there are no gnome-fvs nor gnome-gconf python module for the python2.5 in the non hacker edition)00:00
DelioFM is legacy technology ;)00:00
Epelooni tried to download it but i get a message saying that the update can't be done because they are nor from the same provider00:00
Epeloonso, can someone help me with that? Thanks.00:00
DelioEpeloon: yes and it tells you it cannot be installed right?00:01
Epeloonyes :D00:01
Delio1. remove maps00:01
Delio2. install maps00:01
Delio3. be merry00:01
Delio;)00:01
Epeloon? remove what i have?00:01
Delioyes00:01
Epeloonwhere can i found it?00:01
Epelooncontrol panel?00:01
DelioI think it is listed in the 'installed applications'00:02
Epeloonah ok, thanks00:02
Epeloonanother small question00:02
GeneralAntillesDelio, the N800 is the better than the N810, anyway.00:02
Epeloonis this map better than using maemomapper with google maps?00:02
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Delioyou have to try it out, it depends. I find meamomapper to be a pain when zooming in/out00:03
Epeloon:D00:03
Epeloonah ok00:03
EpeloonIf i use it with a GPS will i get direction with voice?00:03
DelioGeneralAntilles: do you think? I believe I can live without a KB and the N800 is pretty good for the price.00:03
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GeneralAntillessxpert, well, considering they couldn't even put a decent SD slot in. :P00:04
DelioEpeloon: for 7 days trial, then you have to fork over some $$$00:04
GeneralAntillesThe fullscreen-keyboard is pretty good, anyway.00:04
sxpertGeneralAntilles, heh00:04
EpeloonEuhh ...? I thought it was free :D00:04
GeneralAntillesYou want maemo mapper for free00:04
Delioah true... the SD slot :(00:04
sxpertEpeloon, openstreetmap what you're looking for00:04
Epeloonis maemo mapper free or not?00:04
sxpertmaemo mapper uses it00:05
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GeneralAntillesOf course it's better. Cheaper, lighter, better storage, better buttons.00:05
Epeloonok, so the maps are not free but mamemo mapper, the program, is free, right?00:05
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sxperthmm. no00:05
Epeloon:D00:05
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l7some of the maps that maemo mapper users are copyrighted00:06
sxpertyou have the maps program that uses proprietary maps and has to be paid for00:06
l7some are not i guess00:06
DelioGeneralAntilles: I ordered a 16Gb SD, hopefully it will work. It should. I just hope they haven't put some hardwired limitations somewhere00:06
sxpertand you have maemo mapper which uses openstreetmap data (which is free)00:06
GeneralAntillesEpeloon, maps for "Map" are free00:06
Epeloonok, i have a better question for that :D00:06
GeneralAntillesnavigation is nnot00:06
GeneralAntilleseverything is free for maemo mapper.00:06
EpeloonWhat most users here use for GPS location (with and w/o voice) and which is Free :D?00:07
l7that built in map program for os2008 is pretty lousy though00:07
GeneralAntillesmaemo mapper.00:07
sxpertEpeloon, also, you can participate in making better openstreetmap data00:07
GeneralAntillesmaemo mapper also uses VirtualEarth and Google00:07
Epeloonis openstreetmap working with maemo mapper?00:07
l7yes00:07
l7i've been wondering why google's hybrid maps are not supported00:08
l7granted, VE's hybrid maps are pretty good too00:08
Epeloonsp, if i use maemo mapper with Google, what should pay? everything is free in this case, no?00:08
sxpertEpeloon, might not be totally legal though00:08
Epeloonwhy?00:08
EpeloonGoogle maps are available for free on web00:08
Epeloonit's like opening a website and look for a direction, no?00:09
sxpertEpeloon, yeah, but you don't get to see the ads00:09
KhertanPYTHON HOME PLUGIN WORK !!!!ù00:09
KhertanYeah ...00:09
Khertanpffff00:09
l7i don't remember seeing ads on google map's website00:10
l7it might be a TOS violation though00:10
Epeloonads? where? i never saw ads on maps.google.ca00:10
sxpertthere's one thing though with maemo mapper, in that it doesn't start gpsd00:10
Epeloon:D00:10
melmothKhertan: bravo !00:10
sxpertand then it complains about not being able to find the GPS (obviously)00:10
melmothI gave up becasue i was not even able to compile the patched qemu...00:11
l7how do you start gpsd then?00:11
Khertanmelmoth: thx00:11
Deliokhertan: which plugin is that? :)00:11
Khertani can now start to make many plugin ...00:11
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KhertanDelio: homememstat.py00:11
Epeloonis there a simple way to install maemomapper? how should i do it?00:12
Khertana python home plugin00:12
melmothKhertan: please post any change you have made to the garage owner, and push for a release :)00:12
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Khertanneed some test ...00:12
Khertanbut i ve some time tomorrow00:12
melmothweekends++00:12
Deliokhertan: err yes but what does it do? ;-P00:13
melmothDelio: it should let one create those desktop applet in python.00:13
Deliogreat stuff00:13
sxpertEpeloon, go to maemo.org, and find it in the list of programs00:14
Epelooni found the "maemo-mapper.install". So, what shoud i do after that?00:14
Epeloonand i fould also the .deb i think00:14
Epeloonfound00:15
GeneralAntillesJust install it from Extras00:15
GeneralAntillesIt'll be in App Manager.00:15
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GeneralAntillesl7, because the hybrid maps aren't bitmaps00:15
GeneralAntillesthey're hybridized by the AJAX00:15
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GeneralAntillessxpert, you sure?00:16
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GeneralAntillesI'm pretty certain that was fixed in a more recent version.00:16
Epelooni doanload the .deb using the browser on my n800 and i'll found it on the APP Extras?00:16
GeneralAntillesApplication Manager00:16
GeneralAntillesDo you have the Extras repository enabled?00:16
Epeloon:D00:16
Epeloonsorry, i mean APP manager00:16
Epelooni don't think so00:17
GeneralAntillesIn maemo, pretty much all of your application installing should be done through the Application Manager.00:17
Epeloonthis is a new tablet00:17
GeneralAntillesOpen it up00:17
sxpertGeneralAntilles, yeah. I just installed it00:17
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Epeloonok00:17
GeneralAntillesGo to the the menu00:17
GeneralAntillesGo to Tools00:17
GeneralAntillesedit the repositories00:17
GeneralAntillestap on Extra00:17
GeneralAntilless00:17
GeneralAntillesenable it00:17
GeneralAntilles(uncheck disabled)00:18
Epeloonit is still loading :)00:18
Epeloonsorry, but where can i find the menu -> tools?00:19
Epelooni have os200800:19
GeneralAntillesTap the menu00:19
GeneralAntillesThe application menu00:19
GeneralAntillesup at the top.00:19
Epeloonwith 4 squares?00:20
Epeloonin the menu button?00:21
Epelooni found only set background ... theme .. help00:22
l7GeneralAntilles: ah, good to know.  good thing VE's are bitmaps00:22
Epeloonok, i found Tools in the Apllication manager00:23
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spirytusicklo all00:24
Epelooni found maemo extras, but it looks disabled00:24
lcukdirect keyboard does not work.  i will check with a powered hub tomorrow.00:24
Epelooni did it, enabled :)00:24
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Epeloonafter downloading maemo mapper, what can i use it? is there a website for maemomappere newbie? thanks.00:26
drwxhi, is it possible to have a java virtual machine on maemo?00:26
GeneralAntillesIt's got a great built-in help, Epeloon.00:27
GeneralAntillesI wrote up an intro guide on ITT00:27
GeneralAntillesYou should be able to find it if you search.00:27
rm_youmorning :)00:27
GeneralAntillesdrwx, only for console apps.00:27
drwxGeneralAntilles, do you know where I can found it?00:28
Epeloonthanks general, i'll look for it00:28
GeneralAntillesSomewhere00:28
GeneralAntillesGoogle it.00:28
Deliomorning rm00:28
Delioyou guys think a 16Gb SD should work?00:28
melmothhaha, if your project use the garage svn repository, have a look looking for it there: http://www.ohloh.net/00:29
GeneralAntillesDelio, cards up to 2048GB will work.00:29
lcukmorning rm00:29
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spirytusickDello: I suppose if it's SDHC then it should00:29
drwxI used mono on my N800, and I did some programs : http://graphmonkey.sourceforge.net/maemo/maemo.html00:29
lcukwill give you a bug report after watching tv with missus was just leaving00:29
Deliowell that is what SDHC standard says...00:29
melmothnice statistics + there a funny Project Cost estimator :)00:29
spirytusickGeneralAntilles: But not with FAT32 :)... it should be called THIN32 btw...00:29
lcukback later00:30
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rm_youlol00:30
* spirytusick wonders whether the PowerVR core will ever be usable from N8x0...00:35
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GeneralAntillesDunno00:37
cgreerHello, when I put in my memory card it says that it is "corrupted or unformatted"00:37
GeneralAntillesI'm still betting it's an issue with the LCD controller.00:37
GeneralAntillesThen format it, cgreer!00:37
Deliois it used for anything at the moment?00:37
cgreerI tried reformatting it with the file manager00:37
cgreerIt doesn't work00:38
GeneralAntillesPowerVR? No.00:38
DuneSandWormif you have a digital camera it might gix it.00:38
GeneralAntillesBut we're not using the chip's LCD controller00:38
GeneralAntillesIt's a 3rd party controller00:39
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GeneralAntilleswhich, I think, is part of the reason we're not using PowerVR00:39
spirytusickGeneralAntilles: Even if the Cpu is exactly the same as with other PoverVER products and N800 is listed as one of the devices using it on povervr page ?00:39
GeneralAntillesand THE reason we're not using the hardware video acceleration00:39
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spirytusickGeneralAntilles: well there was the radio no one thought it is there ...00:39
spirytusickGeneralAntilles: then the app appeared00:39
spirytusickGeneralAntilles: Perhaps the battery toll was not worth the speed up but it would be cool to have a gpu around...00:41
GeneralAntillesDifferent issue00:41
GeneralAntillesThere aren't technical issues with using the FM chip.00:41
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: are there issues with the PowerVR? like, if someone had code that ran on it... we couldn't try to make it work? or is it like the DSP, where just like no one knows how to write for it :P00:42
spirytusickAssuming the hardware is in place someone skilled enough should be able to utilise it.00:43
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spirytusickeven if it was just for scaling the images in the viewer...00:44
Epeloonhow can i know the processor speed of n800 using os2008?00:44
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GeneralAntillesrm_you, well, we don't have drivers00:46
GeneralAntillesso there's no way to use it.00:46
rm_you:/00:46
rm_youshouldn't it be... NOKIA's job to write those?00:46
GeneralAntillesMy belief, is that the reason we don't have them is because the performance with the 3rd party LCD controller is going to be sub-par, so Nokia decided not to have them written.00:47
GeneralAntillescat /proc/cpuinfo00:47
rm_you>_>00:47
rm_youGeneralAntilles: cpuinfo doesnt list it tho :/00:47
rm_youon mine at least00:47
spirytusickit's like buying a new hybrid car only to find out that the petrol engine is there but they forgot to fit the tank00:47
GeneralAntillesbogomips00:47
GeneralAntillesBull, spirytusick.00:47
rm_youoh hey... it does now :P00:48
GeneralAntillesNokia never advertised it.00:48
GeneralAntillesIt's an SoC00:48
GeneralAntillesThey couldn't have use the chip without it.00:48
rm_youlol00:48
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spirytusickGeneralAntilles: Even though, I think they missed big on that00:48
GeneralAntillesWhat other option did they have?00:48
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GeneralAntillesThere weren't any other chips to use.00:48
Zicre00:48
spirytusickGeneralAntilles: simply to release the drivers00:49
rm_youwait, powervr is part of what chip?00:49
DelioGeneralAntilles: other products using the powerVR?00:49
spirytusickthey do have experience with those on all newer N-series phones00:49
rm_youi thought it was a seperate chip00:49
GeneralAntillesSo they had to use a 3rd party controller to drive 800x48000:49
|tbb|why is it there if no1 use it00:49
GeneralAntillesNo, rm_you, it's part of the OMAP core00:49
spirytusickn93, n95, e90, n95-8gb all use the same chip00:49
rm_youah00:50
jottbasically the main drivers are provided by imagination technology.. (as closed source ones)00:50
spirytusickGeneralAntilles: no one needs the full screen00:50
GeneralAntillesBecause you can't get the OMAP core without the video decoder and the PowerVR.00:50
GeneralAntillesspirytusick, the end user is going to expect it to work a certain way, and it wont.00:50
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GeneralAntillesI don't AGREE with the fact that they didn't provide drivers.00:50
GeneralAntillesI'm just telling you my reasoning as to why I believe that they haven't.00:50
Mooxhi there. I have a problem using mediaserv and videocenter. Can you help me ?00:50
spirytusickGeneralAntilles: ackowledged00:50
jottso getting them is more of a political issue (besides the technical restrictions with the lcd)00:51
jottand a financial too ..00:51
GeneralAntillesNokia would have to pay to get the drivers.00:51
GeneralAntillesFor various reasons, they don't want to.00:51
GeneralAntillesNow, the N90000:51
spirytusickjott: nokia and povervr are already partners00:51
GeneralAntillesthat's gonna be another story.00:51
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GeneralAntillesThat HAS to be the OMAP343000:51
spirytusickthe core libs and dev pack can be downloaded from povervr website00:51
jottspirytusick: they still would have to pay for licensing the linux drivers..00:51
GeneralAntilleswhose LCD controller can handle up to 1024x76800:52
spirytusickGeneralAntilles: probably not out until next x-mass00:52
GeneralAntillesso we're almost certainly getting the hardware video decoding and OpenGL ES acceleration.00:52
GeneralAntillesI'd put my money on Summer.00:52
GeneralAntillesWell, I'd put my hopeful thinking money on Summer.00:52
GeneralAntilles2 years without a real upgrade is a long time.00:52
spirytusick:)00:52
GeneralAntillesspirytusick, the important part of the driver is still a binary blob.00:53
spirytusickGeneralAntilles: true, I just hope they get it right this time00:53
Mooxnobody is using mediaserv here ?00:53
GeneralAntillesand, no, the N810 is not a real upgrade.00:53
GeneralAntillesMoox, what's the problem?00:53
spirytusickMoox: I do not00:53
spirytusickGeneralAntilles: that's why I bought n80000:53
Deliohttp://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/Downloads/index.asp?download=true&f=SDK_OGLES-1.1_LINUX_MV_ARMV6_2.01.21.0983.tar.gz&RequestedSDK=true00:53
spirytusickcheper and save for the lack of keyboard and gps (which my phone can server up) is the same00:53
MooxGeneralAntilles, I want to use videocenter but I get an "invalid service address" when I fill the url field with the RSS url00:54
GeneralAntillesDoes mediaserv work for normal transcoding?00:54
Mooxyes00:54
spirytusickbrb00:54
GeneralAntillesYou're not using EPG or the Internet TV fields, right?00:54
* petergunn666 is reading about OMAP chips00:54
Mooxyes, internet tv ..00:54
GeneralAntillesThat's not what you want00:55
GeneralAntillesYou want the RSS feed field.00:55
petergunn666OMAP3420 - 550mhz, 30% less power00:55
GeneralAntillesInternet video00:55
GeneralAntilles3430 is the one to look at00:55
MooxGeneralAntilles, in 'service type ?00:55
GeneralAntilles3420 has a less-capable LCD controller00:55
GeneralAntillesYessir, Moox.00:55
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MooxGeneralAntilles, I have only Internet video, internet tv, remote epg00:56
petergunn666Looks like they are just ramping up production00:56
GeneralAntillesYou want Internet Video00:56
GeneralAntillesIt'd probably piss the N810 owners to have an upgrade as soon as Summer00:56
GeneralAntillesbut I can only hope.00:56
MooxGeneralAntilles,ok, tried but same problem wih intenet videos00:57
GeneralAntillesDid you try adding the feed with the little video center button on the mediaserv-served website?00:57
GeneralAntillesThere's a little button for Video Center up next to the RSS feed near the top00:57
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Mooxno I copied the rss link as in the demo video00:58
GeneralAntillesIt WORKSFORME over here00:58
GeneralAntillesTry the link00:58
GeneralAntillesOther than that, talk to Jaffa.00:58
GeneralAntillesI want some specs on the IVA 2+00:59
GeneralAntillesWell, the specs for the video side of the DSP.00:59
rm_youIs there *anything* out even mentioning such a thing as an n900? or is it entirely speculation at this point?00:59
GeneralAntillesIt's entirely logical speculation.01:00
rm_youwell in that case01:00
GeneralAntillesIt's coming, of course.01:00
GeneralAntillestexrat has said as much01:00
rm_youi *speculate* that it goddamn better have better storage than one miniSD >_<01:00
GeneralAntillesBut there isn't any concrete info on it so far.01:00
GeneralAntillesand no more damn sliders.01:00
rm_youlol, not a slider fan?01:01
GeneralAntilleshttp://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&contentId=467101:01
GeneralAntillesThat's what we've got now.01:01
GeneralAntilleshttp://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12643&contentId=1464901:01
rm_youi didn't mind the one on my Zaurus CL-550001:01
GeneralAntillesCompared to this awesomeness.01:01
MooxGeneralAntilles, seems not working, not responding with the second button ,.01:01
rm_youi need to fix xchat so i can actually copy/paste links out of it01:02
GeneralAntillesBug Jaffa, then.01:02
GeneralAntilleson maemo, rm_you?01:02
rm_youtyping them in is annoying :/01:02
rm_youno01:02
GeneralAntillesOh, the broken Windows xchat?01:02
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rm_youSilverex's xchat build for windows01:02
GeneralAntillesYeah.01:02
rm_you:/01:02
lcukxchat works with right click/hold of pen01:02
rm_youit works for like 6 hours or so01:02
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GeneralAntillesHehe01:02
* GeneralAntilles uses Colloquy.01:02
rm_youand then i can't copy ANYTHING out of it01:02
rm_youi could be using 54Script >_>01:02
rm_youbut i like xchat better... damnit01:03
rm_youmaybe i will run 54script in the background just to /msg myself links01:03
GeneralAntillesThe increased capabilities of the IVA2+ enables multi-standard (MPEG4, H264, Windows Media Video, RealVideo etc.) encode and decode at DVD resolutions.01:03
GeneralAntillesEhehehe01:03
GeneralAntillesThe OMAP3 can evidently handle 720p, too.01:04
GeneralAntillesJust let the whiners complain about the N900's video playback. :D01:04
rm_you:P01:04
|tbb|anyone else got problems to view itt website on the n810, sometimes th thanks gif is big as hell01:04
GeneralAntillesChange the layout to "Classic"01:05
skibur?01:05
GeneralAntillesWith the PowerVR in that thing, we should be able to run Quake3 just fine.01:05
lcukwith the powervr in this thing we should be able to01:06
* lcuk wants a skeleton key01:06
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rm_youclone42: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&contentId=4671 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12643&contentId=1464901:06
|tbb|where to switch that ?01:06
GeneralAntillesDown at the bottom of the forum pages.01:07
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lcuktbb - apparanty once you are a member you can change the setting01:07
lcukgen - this is membership only thing isnt it?01:07
GeneralAntillesGuess so.01:07
|tbb|ah i found it thx01:08
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hachihurray, syslogger daemon on my maemo01:33
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dhd|gonecan the n810 act as a bluetooth gps receiver?01:42
GeneralAntillesFor another device?01:42
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dhdyeah01:42
GeneralAntillesProbably, but you'd have to set up some sort of gpsd-to-bluetooth tunnel.01:43
GeneralAntillesActually, is the other device networked?01:43
dhdah01:43
dhdyes, but01:43
dhdonly over umts :)01:44
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l7hey, does anyone know how to use an n800 as a remote control for itunes?01:44
GeneralAntillesCellphone, then?01:45
hugolpanyone here know how to install mysql-client on OS2008?01:45
* dhd was just curious if the n810 could handle gps for the google maps on nis s60 phone01:45
dhdyeah01:45
GeneralAntillesl7 on OS X or Windows?01:45
GeneralAntillesOh, on a phone.01:45
GeneralAntillesI doubt it.01:45
l7GeneralAntilles: on os X01:45
GeneralAntillesMaybe with PAn01:45
GeneralAntillesbut not with DUN01:45
GeneralAntillesl7, look at Remote Buddy01:45
GeneralAntillesthey have an iPhone httpd thing that works great01:45
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dhdthe gpsd to bluetooth tunnel idea sounds possible01:45
GeneralAntillesor any of the php/http iTunes remote stuff will work.01:46
GeneralAntillesPersonally, I'd just install mpd from DarwinPorts.01:46
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GeneralAntillesmmpc is very cool01:46
l7GeneralAntilles: hrm, neat01:46
l7ah maybe mpd is better01:46
l7if it's free01:46
GeneralAntillesIt is.01:46
dhdgoogle maps for s60 is much nicer than the nokia map program...01:46
GeneralAntillesDarwinPorts should have a recent version.01:46
GeneralAntillesdhd, why not just use maemo mapper?01:47
dhdah... will try it01:47
GeneralAntillesIt's google maps.01:47
l7remote buddy does have a nice kind of polish01:47
GeneralAntillesExcept not on a crappy S60 screen. :P01:47
l7but i don't feel like paying :)01:47
dhdoh nice, i didn't realize that01:47
* GeneralAntilles whistles.01:47
GeneralAntillesGo with mpd, then.01:47
GeneralAntillesThe rest of the iTunes http remotes are pretty gross/or old as hell (like, 10.1 old)01:48
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GeneralAntillesdhd, it's in Chinook Extras01:48
GeneralAntillesSo you can install it through Application Manager as long as you un-disabled Extras.01:48
l7how would you get remote buddy to work with the n800 by the way?01:49
GeneralAntillesJust enable their iPhone http page.01:49
GeneralAntillesand use that.01:49
l7aah01:49
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GeneralAntillesThe gradients look really bad on 16-bit, but it works fine.01:49
GeneralAntillesLet's hope the N900 has more colors.01:49
l7indeed01:50
l7i think the n800's screen is better than the iphone's in most respects01:50
GeneralAntillesReally, mpd works really nicely.01:50
GeneralAntillesThe iPhone's screen looks really nice01:50
GeneralAntillesit's a beautiful device01:50
GeneralAntillesjust doesn't have the resolution (which is why they can afford more colors)01:51
TamaN8x0 doesn't work really well and you are talking about N900....01:51
GeneralAntillesMy N800 works fine for me.01:51
GeneralAntillesThe N8x0 will have the exact same software as the N90001:51
l7how well does mpd interface with itunes?01:51
GeneralAntillesso I don't see a problem with talking about new hardware01:51
GeneralAntillesit's not like new hardware is taking away maemo resources for new software.01:52
GeneralAntillesI haven't bothered to look, l7.01:52
GeneralAntillesI just let mpd play the music.01:52
l7i guess maybe it just plays back the itunes library through mpd?01:52
GeneralAntillesUse iTunes when I'm sitting down at the machine01:52
Tamano I exposed you, you are a troll ;_; lol01:52
GeneralAntillesand mpd when I'm around the house/apartment with a device.01:52
l7i guess that means no smart playlists01:52
GeneralAntillesI bet somebody has cooked up an mpd-to-iTunes interface01:53
GeneralAntillesIt would be a fairly straightforward thing to do.01:53
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l7hrm, i guess i'll look into it later01:54
GeneralAntillesJust install darwinports01:55
GeneralAntillesthen run port install mpd01:55
GeneralAntillesIt's pretty straightforward01:55
l7i was hoping to use the n800 as a remote controller for itunes through my airport express01:55
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l7i guess playing music through the n800 and skipping the airport express is about the same thing01:56
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GeneralAntillesThere are 3rd party apps that'll play anything through the Airport Express, right?01:56
GeneralAntillesJust have them route mpd's sound to it.01:56
l7GeneralAntilles: yeah, there is one called airfoil01:57
l7i'm not aware of any others01:57
GeneralAntillesThen use that.01:57
l7oh right01:57
GeneralAntillesThe mmpc interface is REALLY slick.01:57
l7that would be a pretty slick solution01:57
GeneralAntillesIt's basically like having the media play on the device01:57
l7then the n800 is the unwired remote01:57
GeneralAntillesyou just hear it from something else. :P01:57
l7heh01:57
GeneralAntillesI have mmpc on all my maemo devices.01:57
GeneralAntillesToo bad I'm only in a 1-bedroom apartment.01:58
l7i suppose you could do the same thing with 2 maemo devices01:58
GeneralAntillesYeah01:58
Luriaso, i just got an ee01:58
GeneralAntillesI have 2 770s and an N80001:58
l7or however many maemo devices you wanted ;)01:58
Luriaum, eee01:58
GeneralAntillesthey can all control the same mpd01:58
GeneralAntillesat the same time.01:58
GeneralAntillesLuria, for a second there, I thought you saw a spider. :P01:58
Luriayeah01:58
l7an irc spider?01:58
Luriawow, this distro's gotta go01:58
Luriaboy did they make it look like windows xp dumb edition01:59
Luriaapparently i was the first person ever to ask the salesperson if there was a terminal icon out of the box01:59
GeneralAntillesHa02:01
GeneralAntillesWhere did you buy it?02:01
hachiokay, so over lunch today I tried to use my n810 to connect to the internet over GPRS through my phone02:01
shack008nLuria: what distro?02:01
Luriarcs experience02:01
hachiand I've got a new error02:01
Luriamid/high end computer store in manhattan02:01
Luriashack008n, its a custom xandros distrib02:02
Luriabut i already have a big problem out of the box:02:02
Luriathe wireless manager doesnt handle non dhcp networks02:02
l7hrm, how do i put darwinports in my path again?02:02
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l7it's been like two years since i had it installed02:02
hachi"Connection failed to phone Delphine Angua von Überwald. Try again?"... and I know the two devices are paired properly because I can send files between the two of them just fine02:02
hachianyone have any ideas on how to fix this?02:02
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TamaI gave it (eeepc) a try and honestly OS2008 looks and works better... which says a lot ;-)02:03
GeneralAntilleshachi, your network setting are probably messed up02:03
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hachiJan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 icd 1.2.31[1079]: [AT&T Internet] Failed to open RFCOMM device.02:03
hachiJan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 icd 1.2.31[1079]: [AT&T Internet] Error: Connection refused (org.bluez.serial.Error.ConnectionAttemptFailed)02:03
GeneralAntillesor maybe DUN isn't allowed on the phone.02:03
hachiGeneralAntilles: they were working yesterday02:03
hachisame exact phone02:03
GeneralAntillesWith internet?02:04
GeneralAntillesOr just file transfer?02:04
hachieverything except SMS works on this phone02:04
Luriaim going for eeexubuntu (god that name's gotta go)02:04
hachifrom the computer02:04
hachiand the reason SMS doens't work is because motorola didn't implement that in their phone firmware02:04
GeneralAntillesWhat was "working yesterday"?02:04
l7oh right, forgot about xcode02:04
hachiI was connected to the internet via GPRS through this exact phone, carrier, sim card, and location 24 hours ago02:05
hachion my nokia n81002:05
GeneralAntillesCould be a network issue.02:05
GeneralAntillesWell, maybe not.02:05
hachinote how I pasted the syslog02:05
GeneralAntillesDunno02:05
GeneralAntillestry rebooting the both?02:06
hachiyup02:06
GeneralAntillesSomething change.02:06
GeneralAntillesDon't know what02:06
GeneralAntillesmaybe recheck all the settings on both sides.02:06
hachialready did02:07
hachimaybe I can rfcomm bind this myself02:07
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hachino rfcomm02:09
hachiwhat's DSME?02:09
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GeneralAntillesPower management daemon.02:10
hachiit likes to throw errors rather often02:10
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hachiJan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 hcid[1064]: link_key_request (sba=00:1D:6E:D9:5B:3E, dba=00:18:A4:C8:8D:41)02:11
hachiJan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 serial[1248]: connect(): Connection refused (111)02:11
hachiserial?02:11
hachiahh, bluetoothd-service-serial02:11
hachithat's bluez-utils... that's open... grep the source02:14
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rm_youGeneralAntilles: so, is the version 0.4b of backlight usable enough for you?02:21
rm_youi mean, if it was in a popdown instead of a menu, would you call that *done*?02:21
rm_youor is there more you'd like to see02:21
GeneralAntillesYes.02:22
rm_you... Sorry, yes to the first or second question?02:23
rm_youP02:24
rm_you:P02:24
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dhdwow, maemo-mapper seems  to be way more useful  than the built-in map program02:26
rm_youdhd: YES02:27
* dhd wonders what that 1.5gb of data is doing on the internal flssh...02:27
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rm_youthe ONLY thing i wish Maemo Mapper could do is read the vector based maps for the "Map" applicationb02:28
rm_yousince it's like... 750mb for the entire western USA02:29
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rm_youversus 750MB for two large cities in Maemo Mapp'02:29
rm_youbecause it just stores googlemap jpgs02:29
dhd5he keyboard on this n810 is a nice improvement over the N800, much easier to use for IRC :)02:29
rm_youheh yes02:29
rm_youwell, packing up computer for shipping02:29
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rm_youlater! :)02:29
dhdoh i guess that makes sense02:29
* rm_you wishes he could just press in the gate address for Texas on dhd02:30
dhdha02:30
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TamaBugzilla Bug 248902:50
TamaGMail IMAP hangs on message download02:50
TamaOpened: 2007-12-04 19:25 GMT+302:50
TamaUNCONFIRMED02:50
GeneralAntillesIs that for Modest or built-in?02:50
Tama(!)02:50
Tamabuilt-in02:50
GeneralAntillesAll the built-in stuff is basically WONTFIX02:50
Tamanow... that was a month ago...02:50
TamaIs there anyone working on this stuff?02:51
TamaI mean at least bother flagging it as WONTFIX02:51
Tamageez02:51
GeneralAntillesUNCONFIRMED just means that somebody without CANCONFIRM or EDITBUGS didn't make it or mark it as NEW02:51
GeneralAntillesMeh, I don't know whether it's actually WONTFIX yet.02:51
Tamayes02:51
GeneralAntillesJust use Modest in any case.02:51
Tamayes, of course02:52
GeneralAntilles(or, also, that it wasn't voted)02:52
Tamabut I was complaining about the apparent lack attention by who should take care of this stuff02:53
GeneralAntillesEh, it's not hurting anybody being unconfirmed02:53
Tamasure except anyone using email and google will experience it02:53
GeneralAntillesLook at the state of the built-in app02:53
GeneralAntillesthen look at the state of the built-in app's bugs. :P02:53
GeneralAntillesRight, which is why Modest will replace built-in.02:53
TamaBTW I do believe that the whole 'modest' becoming the new built-in client is totally unfounded02:54
GeneralAntillesThey pretty much stated as much.02:54
GeneralAntillesIt's called e-mail02:54
GeneralAntillesit's the same icon02:54
GeneralAntillesIt uses notifications02:55
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Tamadoes not use the same account settings (I think)02:55
Tamayes it's a good replacement02:55
GeneralAntillesand, yes, it will be replacing the built-in. :P02:55
derfThat's okay, the old account settings sucked.02:55
GeneralAntillesLook at the .desktop file02:56
derfI mean, no IMAP folders?02:56
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matmoevening all. Need help: compiled a program on sb (armel target), copied to N810, set owner, group and permissions but still get "permission denied" (running from remote ssh client)03:02
zerojayDid you copy to your memory cards or /home?03:03
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K`zanBefore I do something dumb, is this the correct command line for flashing the new 2008?:03:03
K`zan./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R03:03
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matmoto /usr/local/lib and sym link from /usr/bin03:04
derfInstall strace.03:05
matmoderf: I'm new to this stuff, what will strace do for me?03:06
timelyTak: which products?03:06
timely(re:unco)03:06
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GeneralAntillesYes, K`zan.03:07
derfmatmo: http://linux.die.net/man/1/strace03:07
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derfIt'll tell you which call is returning permission denied.03:07
matmook, thks, checking the link now03:08
K`zanUSB device found found at bus 004, device address 00603:08
K`zanError claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted03:08
timelyTama: what GeneralAntilles meant is that the built-in *mail* client is basically EOLd03:08
timelyother products theoretically get maintenance :)03:08
Tamaok :)03:09
timelyhttp://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=416222&cid=2201945403:09
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zerojayHah.03:10
GeneralAntillesK`zan, sudo flash . . .03:10
K`zanI am god :-)03:11
K`zanAh, err no I was doing that as the mere mortal me - thanks :-)03:11
K`zanDo I need the -R at the end GeneralAntilles ?03:11
GeneralAntillesIt restarts after flashing03:11
GeneralAntillesNot really, but it helps.03:11
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K`zanOK I'll take anthing that helps :)03:12
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matmohmm, and where do I get strace?03:12
timelysee gronmayer in topic?03:13
K`zanGeneralAntilles: That worked, thanks, notes modified :-)03:13
matmook, ta03:13
timely(if it isn't on the device already...)03:13
* timely is tired and sleepy03:13
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matmoI'm getting "permission denied" trying to run strace :-)03:25
matmotried to dump output to file, "strace: can't fopen 'trace.txt': permissiondenied03:26
timelydid you try writing to / or something silly?03:27
timelytry /tmp?03:27
timelywhat's the syntax you're using?03:27
timelystrace -p ?03:27
matmoI was in the app directory. Now move to my data dir on mmc2. Now get: strace: exec: permission denied03:28
matmos/move/moved03:28
matmoback to square 1, I can't run the exe03:29
matmols03:32
matmo(oops)03:32
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matmotimely: sry, now checked and I do have a strace log, shows wrong target for exe. Investigating further03:34
timely-f is your friend?03:36
matmowell wooohooo, started using full exe path and it's running03:36
timelyalso, beware the evil fork03:36
timelyif your victim is a nokia app, it's probably using an evil forking system03:36
Takso, I can't find a way to use vala code with bora :-|03:36
timelywhich means you need to find the daemon process and probably trace it03:37
matmo hmm, thanks but beyond my know-how atm03:37
timelyanyway, -f and -p are your friends, the man page is your guide03:38
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matmook, thanks03:38
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Takeven if I pregenerate the C code03:43
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esotichello03:45
esoticanybody home?03:45
GeneralAntillesHowdy03:46
* Tak home03:46
lcuktimely, I almost fell off my chair when I read that03:46
lcuk(/. posting)03:46
esoticI got an N800 for Xmas and am trying to get the maemo SDK installed...  anybody willing to help me through some troubles?03:47
Takesotic: sure03:47
esoticmy current issue is that I get a permission denied error when I try to run scratchbox, any ideas on how to resolve that?03:48
esoticbash: /usr/bin/scratchbox: Permission denied03:48
matmonite all03:48
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esoticif i go straight to the /scratchbox/login is says the same thing03:48
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SpCombhave you added your user as a scratchbox user and logged in again, as per the instructions?03:49
l7dang, remote buddy is pretty cool03:49
Takdid you add yourself as a sbox user?03:49
Takcrap03:49
* Tak slow03:50
GeneralAntillesl7, it's even cooler with a Wiimote.03:50
l7not as slick on then n800 as it would be on the iphone, but still cool03:50
esoticdo i need to logout of debian or reboot or something?03:50
l7GeneralAntilles: how does it work on the wiimote? it has no screen03:50
* Tak blame 770 + rum03:50
GeneralAntillesBluetooth remot. :P03:50
l7but if you could map all those buttons...03:50
GeneralAntilles*remote03:50
Takesotic: log out and back in03:50
l7ah03:50
GeneralAntillesthe iPhone httpd is kinda a secondary feautre.03:50
esoticok, brb03:50
GeneralAntilles*feature03:50
esoticthanks! :)03:51
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* GeneralAntilles shouldn't type with a cat on his desk.03:51
l7wow the wii has offical support03:51
l7the neat thing about the ajax module is that you can control your mac from another room03:51
Takwhere does one get an input driver for a cat?03:51
l7what kind of cat?03:52
l7i believe the sound of a can opener works nicely03:52
Takhmm - why doesn't our perl have prename?03:53
GeneralAntillesBecause it sucks?03:53
petergunn666wots prename?03:54
GeneralAntillesalternatively: they're trying to sucker you into making it not suck.03:54
Takperhaps, but I posit that it sucks less than nothing03:54
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Takpetergunn666: lets you do: prename 's/foo/bar/' *.bar     , etc03:55
scibotI want "Everyone's Nintendo Channel" on the Wii already.03:55
petergunn666Tak: havent heard of it - is it a perl6 thing?03:56
esoticThanks, worked like a charm, i'm goign to continue working through the install instructions!03:56
Takyes03:56
timelylcuk =)03:56
GeneralAntillesI want the "Nintendo Gives you Free VC Games" channel.03:56
petergunn666if you just want to search and replace infile you can use -pi03:56
scibotENC = Free DS Demo's03:57
TakI want to mass-rename files03:57
petergunn666I use metamorphose for that - dont think there is a n800 port tho03:58
timelyprename should be a trivial perl one liner03:58
petergunn666http://www.evolt.org/article/Renaming_Files_with_Perl/17/351/03:59
timelyperl -e 'sub _name { my $name = shift; $name =~ s/foo/bar/; return $name };  foreach my $file (@ARGV) { rename $file _name($file)' *.bar04:00
timelyone typo included at no extra charge04:00
timely(, missing between file _name)04:00
timelynot that you might rename barbie.bar to foobie.bar04:00
timelywhich is probably wot what you want04:01
timelys/wot/not/04:01
Taktimely meant: which is probably not what you want04:01
infobottimely meant: which is probably not what you want04:01
* timely eyes tak04:01
GeneralAntillesHehe04:01
timelys/tak/Tak/04:01
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Takdoesn't do actions :-P04:01
timelyclearly?04:01
timelys/clearly./clearly!/04:02
Taktimely meant: clearly!04:02
TakTak thinks timely meant: Inconceivable!04:03
Taktimely: s/cl(e)arly.*/Inconc\1ivable!/04:03
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K`zanis map the same as mapper is the same as maemo mapper?!??04:05
GeneralAntilles"Map" is different from Maemo Mapper.04:06
K`zanor is map the wayfinder thing and mapper == maemo mapper?04:06
K`zanBloody confuzing ;-/.,04:06
GeneralAntilles"Map" is the OS2008 built-in GPS program04:06
GeneralAntillesmapper is probably maemo mapper.04:06
K`zan"probably" LOL :-).  I'll try it :-). thanks :-)04:07
GeneralAntillesMaemo Mapper is 100x better than "Map".04:07
timelythey're different!04:07
K`zanWould be nice if there was a flag that you could set to globally say "I don't care if it isn't a frugging nokia app", get tired of that.04:08
cizarrobut still the same04:08
K`zanYeap, map is crap.04:08
K`zanmaemo mapper is *it* :-)04:08
timelyK`zan: it's open source04:08
timelyjust download the source and get rid of that bit :)04:08
* cizarro would like a warning when installing nokia stuff (as opposed to non-nokia)04:08
Takhah04:08
timelycizarro: doesn't work04:08
timelynokia stuff that isn't from osso is marked as non nokia04:08
timelyif you don't think that's confusing...04:08
K`zanYeah, I trust the non-mokia stuff :)04:08
cizarroheh, I knew there was something hidden in all that logic :-)04:09
shack008ntimely, is tthere a way to get rid of the contacts iccon on the left panel?04:09
timelyyes04:09
K`zanThe one thing I *am* sure of is that this whole IT thing is designed from the ground up to be as confusing as possible :-(.04:09
timelythere's a .so file somewhere in the file system04:09
timelyif it disappears, so does the button04:09
cizarroK`zan, it's been worse!04:10
GeneralAntillesLike magic!04:10
timelyit's not particularly recommended, but i've done it04:10
* cizarro remembers the stuff that was on 770 on release04:10
GeneralAntillesWill the tasks browser expand proportionally?04:10
shack008ntimely; great!!04:10
K`zancizarro: Yes, I know :-/.04:10
timelyGeneralAntilles: no :)04:10
GeneralAntillesAh, then there's no point.04:10
K`zanGlad I came in during the enlightened period - 2007 ;-)04:10
timelymaybe you don't like the process using ram?04:10
GeneralAntillesFine, fine.04:10
* cizarro prefers using cow04:11
* timely says process, but technically it's part of tN04:11
shack008ntimely, will it also remove the default mail and chat clients?04:11
cizarropoor old ram. most people using it all the time..04:11
timelyshack008n: no, it's just a ui hook04:11
shack008nmkay04:11
timelybut they might be slightly less likely to run constantly04:11
K`zanFood, bbl04:11
* timely isn't sure about that04:11
timelythey have many hooks04:11
timelychat of course has a status bar hook04:11
timelyno clue about mail04:11
timelyit definitely has a launch hook in the normal menus04:12
shack008ni removed the chat sbar item tough04:12
timelydefine removed?04:12
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timelyrm -f?04:12
timelynote: i really have no idea what the TN ui does04:12
shack008ndisabled the presence icon from cpanel04:13
timelyit might mean X isn't loaded04:13
timelyor it might just mean X isn't visible04:13
timelyfor all i know, help says what it means04:13
timelybut somehow,... i doubt that :)04:13
* cizarro wonders whether the bt help has been fixed04:14
shack008ni'll kill go find the hookk anyway, tnx04:14
K`zanI swear these installs are so frucked up, nobody seems to know what anyone else is installing and doesn't trust it.  ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh04:14
timelyK`zan: i'm sure your device knows04:14
cizarroor it soon will04:14
K`zanApparently not.04:14
* cizarro goes to watch a movie04:14
cizarrohave fun :-)04:14
K`zanGuess I turn on red pill, install and trust to god because nokia sure isn't :)04:15
shack008ntimelly, tablets are sentient now?04:15
GeneralAntillesWhat's the problem, K`zan?04:16
K`zanShould I just give up on the application manager?  The apps never seem to be able to resolve dependancies...04:16
GeneralAntillesThat's a repo issue.04:16
GeneralAntillesWhat dependency?04:16
K`zanxchat had three, I'm trying turning on red pill now...04:17
GeneralAntillesWhich xchat?04:17
GeneralAntillesRed pill wont fix it.04:17
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GeneralAntillesThe xchat in maemo hackers?04:17
K`zanWhichever one is in the application manager....04:17
GeneralAntillesBecause that's for 200704:17
GeneralAntillesDid it complain about libhildon0?04:17
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GeneralAntillesYou want the xchat here: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/04:18
K`zanOh god never mind, with red pill on it may finish loading in July :)04:18
K`zanGeneralAntilles: Yes, that was one of them.04:18
K`zanThanks, checking04:18
Takoh ffs, our xargs doesn't have -0 either?04:19
timelytak: busybox++04:20
GeneralAntilleslibhildon0 means it's OS2007.04:20
timelys/++/--/04:20
infobottimely meant: tak: busybox--04:20
Takmine wants you to escape the + :-P04:21
K`zanGeneralAntilles: That worked *thanks*!04:22
GeneralAntillesFor future note: red pill is a pretty poor troubleshooting tool. ;)04:22
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K`zanGeneralAntilles: Yes, I know :-(04:23
K`zanShotgun method of debugging, next comes tac nukes :)04:24
timelyTak: i figured :)04:25
* Tak drink more rum, listen to sepultura04:26
Takdoes anyone happen to know about the HE progress?04:26
timelyin general, i think that's a secret04:27
Takwhat about specifically?04:29
TakI've determined that it's not possible to use vala with bora's glib04:32
robtaylorTak: what's the problem?04:34
Tak...which is a shame04:34
Takthe glib is too old04:34
robtayloryeh, what's being used04:34
robtaylor?04:34
Takyou mean what functions?04:35
robtayloraye04:35
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Takrechecking04:37
Taksomething that wasn't trivial (to me) to replace04:40
robtaylorTak: we can always go ask juergbi if it's a stinker;)04:40
robtaylorwow 2.12 required :/ /me wonders what it is that's needed04:41
Takhe recommended pregenerating the C code, but that didn't work either04:41
unique311los alamos04:42
unique311^^^^sounds like a greeting04:42
Takhola, mis alamos!04:42
unique311i don't like the mis in that one.04:43
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Takunique311: want to test a gngeo prerelease?04:43
unique311why not.04:43
unique311you know i'm working on the frontend04:43
Takgmail?04:43
unique311xgngeo04:43
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unique311unique11210@gmail.com04:43
Takwhy not xmaeme?04:43
unique311not enough pref04:43
unique311and the one i'm working on allows users that are not keen to config files to do alot of configuration04:44
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unique311http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN57-Vn0WpI04:45
unique311heres a vid of it04:45
Takg_param_spec_gtype04:45
unique311still working on freaking the menubar.  I can't seem to add it to the hildon menu04:46
Takwell - I'd be happy to roll any required changes into xmaeme04:46
unique311did you send the pre release yet?04:47
Takworking on it04:49
* Tak on 77004:49
unique311ok04:49
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unique311http://developer.berlios.de/dbimage.php?id=3175   i think this would come in handy for n810 users.04:51
unique311but i removed it for the build i'm working on.04:51
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robtaylorTak: hmm, a possible hack is to change that to g_param_spec_ulong04:53
unique311got it04:53
Taksent04:54
Takhah04:54
unique311recieved04:54
robtaylorTak: and change the 4th add argument to 3 lines, min 0, max MAX_ULONG, default G_TYPE_INVALID04:55
Takrobtaylor: also for g_value_get_gtype ?04:55
robtaylorTak: aye, a Gtype is justa ulong :)04:56
robtaylor(at least, it is on arm)(04:56
jottthis should work for os2008 (n810), right (with obvious adjustments)? or is there a better tutorial? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/04:57
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Takmmm, I'll have to do that when I have a real kb ;-)04:57
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unique311how do you remember how many taks to add to ur gmail.04:58
Takit's ten04:59
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unique311tak what am i looking for in this release05:03
unique311plays like the other one05:03
unique311my onscreen buttons are still MIA,05:03
unique311i have to let it sleep in order for them to show up05:04
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unique3111 question how did you get speed to be so fast?05:05
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Takdamn - I was hoping to fix the damn buttons05:05
Takit's fast because it has two cores in arm asm05:06
CrooperIs xine-ui ported yet?05:06
unique311not sure what that means, but is it possible to do the same with the other emus available for the NIT05:07
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unique311starts up fine, but still the onscreen buttons are MIA, for xmaeme and xgngeo05:10
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Takpossible, yes - can I do it, no05:10
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packetlossmmanyone getting upgrade flash message at youtube05:11
CrooperAnd also is anyone using vmac?05:11
Takmeh, something's goofy with chinook's dsp doubling05:12
unique311Tak, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=118047&postcount=2905:12
GeneralAntillespacketlossmm, under OS2008?05:12
packetlossmmyes05:13
GeneralAntillesLet me check05:13
unique311was that the fix you tried out for this pre release05:13
Taksort-of05:13
GeneralAntillesNope, works fine over here, packetlossmm.05:14
packetlossmmhmm, i'll try again05:14
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KHow does one get rid of skype and rapsody from ther menu - they are onl.y installable?!05:17
Takincidentally, does this happen with fceu?05:17
GeneralAntillesEither install them and uninstall them or remove their .desktops.05:17
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unique311don't have fceu installed05:17
unique311but i can try it out.05:18
unique311give me a sec05:18
unique311it might just be my device, right.05:18
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Takwell, all I have is 77005:19
packetlossmmahh, got it. in components, flash and mediaplayer plugins were not checked05:20
GeneralAntillesPoor Tak05:20
TakI'm wondering if fceu on os2008 has the same prob05:20
TakI like the 77005:20
GeneralAntillesIt's slow.05:21
unique311you a dev, did you sign up for the dev discount?05:21
Takehh, my only issue is the storage05:21
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TakI got a discount05:21
packetlossmmyeah, it is too slow to really be playable for me, close tho05:22
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unique311so get yourself an n810 already.05:22
packetlossmmlol, u probly meant the 77005:22
unique311the dev discount was fro the 770?05:23
unique311Tak, fceu works..05:26
Takactually I got an n80005:26
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Takthat's good, but wtf?05:27
unique311onscreen buttons show up05:27
unique311amazed on how well the game plays05:27
unique311i'm having som mario flashbacks05:27
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dospodhey05:36
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dospodwhats the name of the beta ff browser for maemo05:42
Takmicrob?05:42
dospodi thought that was default05:43
dospodi  know mozilla has another beta browser with a full ui for maemo05:43
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K`zanHow do I get rapsody out of the menu system?  It seems to be neither installed or installable but for sure NOT deletable...05:44
Takhmm - webkit?05:44
dospodidk but i hear it  has a full ui and its mozilla based05:44
* Tak shrugs05:44
unique311something fish05:45
unique311swordfish05:45
dospodrhapsody-installer is also a app i think05:45
esoticHow do I edit files inside scratchbox?05:45
TakSoLongAndThanksForAllThe?05:45
K`zandospod: I don't want either it nor its installer...05:45
dospodthen uninstall it05:45
Takesotic: you text editor of choice05:45
dospodin the application manager05:46
TakTak meant: esotic: your text editor of choice05:46
Taks/you/\&r/05:46
infobotTak meant: Tak meant: esotic: \&rr text editor of choice05:46
K`zandospod: looked there, but will check again, thanks05:46
esotichmmm...  if i type gedit is says "command not found"05:46
esoticdo I have to add paths to the environment?05:46
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Vulcanisdoes anyone know what the d-pad and stuff are counted as for dosbox?05:46
VulcanisI'd _like_ to be able to bind them to things05:47
Takyou might have to install it if it's not vim ;-)05:47
Vulcanisbut not sure if it will work05:47
K`zanrapsody installer is installable, but I still don't find anything to get the installer out of the menu system...05:48
dospoduninstall it and it should go away05:49
dospodbut im a linux newb05:49
GeneralAntillesdospod, you're thinking of the Minefield port.05:49
GeneralAntillesK`zan, just install it then uninstall it.05:49
K`zanWonder if you have to set red-pill mode to find it and then remove it ?!?05:49
K`zanGeneralAntilles: That sucks to have to do it that way...  Thanks, looks like I have no choice but to "install" it so they get credit.  Errrr....05:50
GeneralAntillesYou can delete the .desktop05:50
GeneralAntillesI just don't remember off-hand where they all.05:50
GeneralAntillesEh, I use Rhapsody. :P05:50
K`zanGeneralAntilles: I quit supporting the enterainment mafias some time ago now, indies only  :-)05:51
K`zanStarting to consider no nokia warning to be a bad thing :-)05:52
dospodminefild it is05:53
K`zanGeneralAntilles: That worked, thanks!05:53
dospodim gonna try minefeild05:57
dospodits nice for beta so far06:01
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GeneralAntillesKinda pointless, dospod.06:10
GeneralAntillesMicroB has the same engine.06:11
GeneralAntillesIt's mostly just bloated and buggy.06:11
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l7anyone know if it's possible to rotate the web browser 90 degrees?06:28
l7it would be handy with Remote Buddy06:29
l7a black background would make things slicker too06:29
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GeneralAntillesNo, l7.06:34
GeneralAntillesHildon just isn't designed for rotation.06:34
sandyanghi everybody:P06:36
l7GeneralAntilles: that's too bad06:37
l7i noticed that fbreader was capable of it06:37
GeneralAntillesSort of06:37
l7but i guess that's specific to it06:37
GeneralAntillesbut moving one giant text block around is easier than moving a bunch of widgets around06:38
GeneralAntillesTruthfully, rotation will break most applications.06:38
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GeneralAntillesMaybe OS2010. ;)06:38
l7i guess css wouldn't be able to help with rotation06:38
l7heh06:38
GeneralAntillesActually, rotating the website would probably be fairly straightforward06:38
GeneralAntillesbut the toolbar and maybe the form/button widgets would be harder.06:39
Takhah, resizing breaks most applications06:39
l7maybe if the website weren't so ajax heavy06:39
K-Foxdoes n810 support the korea,japan language ?06:40
GeneralAntillesMore or less06:40
GeneralAntilleshave to install a font for it, though.06:40
GeneralAntillesThe Chinese font includes Japanese, but I'm not sure about Korean06:40
K-Foxi am from korean06:41
sandyangK-Fox: From Korean?06:42
K-Foxif it is supported the korea font , i will buy n81006:42
K-Foxyes06:42
GeneralAntillesDunno06:43
GeneralAntillesYou might take a look on the forums at internettablettalk.com06:43
K-Foxok06:43
sandyanghow much n810 in Korean06:45
GeneralAntillesBasically, if you put a font in there with Korean support, then the N810 will render Korean just fine.06:46
GeneralAntillesInput will require a 3rd party application.06:46
K-Foxit dont sell n810 in korea06:47
GeneralAntillesYeah, Nokia hasn't been very big on support in Asia so far.06:48
GeneralAntillesNot sure why.06:48
GeneralAntillesThere are a lot of Asian tablet users in here, though.06:48
K-Foxi am going to buy it through COMPUSA ,,other site06:49
Takit certainly does seem that way06:49
Takbetter hurry - compusa is going away pretty soon06:49
GeneralAntillesDidn't TigerDirect just buy CompUSA?06:51
GeneralAntillesThat's gonna be a mess.06:51
* Tak shrugs06:53
Vulcanismmhmm06:59
GeneralAntillesI should probably visit mine to see if they've got any good clearance stuff.07:01
Takheh, some guys here said that it looked like the same prices, only with signs saying. "CLEARANCE!!!1~"07:04
GeneralAntillesHa07:04
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ds3the mapping app on OS2008 is disappointing07:12
GeneralAntillesYou mean "Map"07:13
GeneralAntillesand, yes, that's true.07:13
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ds3yes, and it looks buggy07:13
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ds3telling me I am doing about 100KPH when I have the settings for imperial units07:13
ds3I do not need to start multipling numbers by 5/8 in my head as I drive!@#@!#@07:13
* ds3 eagerly waits for the next version of GVM...hopefully it can run some of the Palm mapping software07:14
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GeneralAntillesSad part is, they don't even really want to fix it.07:19
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GeneralAntillesNo bugzilla component.07:19
GeneralAntillesAll contracted work.07:19
K`zanSimple solution :-), dump map install maemo mapper :).07:19
ds3I hope the efforts to get roadmap or Navi hildonized get furhter07:19
ds3maemo mapper has it is place but it is different; requiring online access for map is restrictive07:20
GeneralAntillesYou're incorrect07:20
GeneralAntillesIt requires no such thing.07:20
GeneralAntilles(why does everything think that?)07:20
GeneralAntillesRead the help, google, read ITT, read it's website. . . .07:20
ds3it does if I don't plan ahead07:20
K`zanErr, I think not.07:20
GeneralAntillesHow far do you drive in a day?07:21
ds3I can't just say, give me the entire western US and dump it in the card w/o pissing off google, etc07:21
K`zanI plan ahead for it.  Currentl got about 24 hours worth of maps coming in :).07:21
K`zanAgain...07:21
K`zanAfter upgrading.07:21
GeneralAntillesEh, I'm never not in one of two cities.07:21
K`zanOS07:21
ds3my daily drive doesn't need GPS; it is my long road trips that does and those aren't that planned07:21
GeneralAntilles~300MB of maps07:21
GeneralAntillesHas me covered.07:21
K`zanBig arsed chunk :).  Comes from manually going to the places I want filled in.07:22
ds3I do about about 12000miles/year; 4000-5000 of those are in areas I have not been to07:22
GeneralAntillesDownload along route07:22
GeneralAntillesand download maps for the cities you'll be in.07:22
GeneralAntillesWill work fairly well.07:22
ds3over GPRS?07:22
GeneralAntillesBut these are the limits of bitmap maps.07:22
K`zanIt would be nice to get maps like map - Western US, Eastern...07:22
GeneralAntillesBefore you leave.07:22
GeneralAntillesor get 3g.07:22
ds3yes, that's why I want vector mapping07:22
GeneralAntilles3g phone is cheaper than "Map".07:22
ds3I'll probally have maemo mapper on there still.. like I said, it ihas its place07:23
GeneralAntillesK`zan, that'd be about 20GB-per for ok-zooming.07:23
GeneralAntillesJohn should just give it the ability to read the "Map" maps.07:23
ds3and isn't using Google as the map data source still a gray area?07:23
ds3or TIGER maps or OSM maps07:23
GeneralAntillesOSM maps are fine07:24
GeneralAntilleswhich is what's in there by default07:24
ds3or SA maps ;)07:24
GeneralAntillesI very much doubt google cares.07:24
ds3as I understand it, OSM isnt that complete in the US; TIGER is still being imported07:24
K`zanYeah, I also have all zoom levels set, that is adding a CHUNK...07:24
GeneralAntillesOSM has about zero coverage in the US07:24
GeneralAntillesYou don't need to go down below 5, really.07:24
K`zanNot sure how many or which ones are enough, but the fuzzies suck...07:24
GeneralAntilles3 and lower is mildly stupid.07:25
ds3one thing I think Maemo maps is good for is overlaying GPS on a scanned USGS Topo map07:25
GeneralAntillesOr google sat07:25
K`zanAh, right I got to add topo again...07:25
ds3yep07:25
ds3but I still want a vector databased based mapped for roads07:25
ds3SA has its problems, but it was quite usable on the Treo07:26
ds3did I hear someone saying 32G SDHC cards will be around soon?07:27
GeneralAntillesPanasonic just announced some07:28
GeneralAntillesI'm guessing March-ish.07:28
ds3Hmmmm splurge now and get a 16G or wait... so many choices07:28
Takmmm...64G N80007:30
* Tak splurges all over the channel07:30
GeneralAntillesSeriously07:31
GeneralAntillesiTouch can burn in hell.07:31
GeneralAntillesand so can the N81007:31
l7why?07:31
GeneralAntillesDual SDHC07:31
l7they're nice devices07:31
K`zanAnd you aren't suck with a third rate gps aand camera...07:31
l7yeah, i guess the n800 has a lot of storage potential07:32
l7what would you do with all that storage?07:32
GeneralAntillesMEDIA07:32
l7media server? ;)07:32
K`zanI'll let you know :) :-) :_)07:32
ds3maps... TOPO/SAT07:32
l7hrm, it might outclass the ipod classic soon07:32
GeneralAntillesBiggest reason why the N900 needs SDHC is that it'll probably be able to do 720p with that OMAP307:32
l7well, someday07:32
ds3Mmmmm OMAP307:33
ds3Cortex :)~~~~07:33
l7n900 specs have been announced?07:33
GeneralAntillesNo07:33
GeneralAntillesBut what else CAN they use?07:33
GeneralAntillesThey're certainly not going Intel07:33
K`zanI think I'd go with an eee pc before an 810...07:33
GeneralAntillesand if they put another OMAP2 in there I'll kill them all.07:33
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Takwhy not intel?07:33
ds3Heh? intel... turn on for 20seconds and the battery dies ;)07:34
l7i hope the n800 continues to be compatible07:34
GeneralAntillesWhole platform is built on ARM?07:34
Takintel mids seem to be surviving07:34
GeneralAntillesAside from the fact that Intel's sub-mobile stuff just isn't ready for prime-time.07:34
GeneralAntillesWhat Intel MIDs?07:34
ds3the 2430 isn't bad... better DSP07:34
GeneralAntillesThe ones at CES? :P07:34
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ds3K`zan: seen the WiBrain?07:34
K`zanNo, I haven't.  Sometimes I think there are too many choices...07:35
GeneralAntillesHaha07:35
GeneralAntillesCommunism FTW!07:35
l7Communism, or Apple07:36
ds3WiBrain is like an N800 x86-ified07:36
Taksame thing07:37
GeneralAntillesHaha, l7.07:37
GeneralAntillesMARKET choices. :P07:37
K`zanI don't do intel, I prefer companies that have more engineers than lawyers :)07:37
l7lol07:38
l7the wibrain does have a nice keyboard07:38
ds3EeePC/cloudbook would be more attractive if it had a touch screen07:39
ds3(yes, I know there are mods)07:39
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DelioHola08:56
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Takbuenas noches08:59
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Epeloonhi, is there a way to use LaTex on n800 with OS2008? Thanks.09:03
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DelioHey anyone knows exactly what r&d mode for OS2008 mode does?09:20
mbufdo we need to move to vmware sdk appliance for maemo development, or is there qemu support for Maemo?09:25
GeneralAntillesDelio, turns off the root protection, allows you to turn it on without a delay and does some other stuff to the hardware watchdog.09:26
Deliothanks09:26
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Deliois the only option on or off? Or are tehre several flags?09:27
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DelioI looked into the initfs and foind that rclinux tests for rdmode before enabling boot menu09:28
DelioI'd like to enable it but I want to know what are the other sideeffects first09:28
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Delio--set-rd-flags [arg]          Set R&D mode flags on the device <--- which flags >.<09:29
GeneralAntillesNot much else09:30
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Deliocannot find that piece of info anywhere09:30
GeneralAntillesIt's on google09:30
GeneralAntillesI believe09:30
GeneralAntillesI think it's pretty mundane stuff.09:30
GeneralAntillesI don't remember it, and there's probably a reason. :P09:30
pupnikDon't turn it on unless you know exactly why you need it on.09:31
pupnikheya GeneralAntilles09:31
GeneralAntillesHowdy, pupnik.09:31
GeneralAntillesHow's life with a real device? :P09:31
Delioas I said I'd like to see a boot device selection menu at power up09:31
pupnikThe speakers are a real letdown - dunno if they're defective.  Mplayer loses sync on a lot of .flvs.  Case got dented on the first day in my travel bag.09:32
pupnikOther than that it's incredibly cool.09:32
pupnikAlso gonna get a spare battery pack.  770 seems to last a bit longer09:33
pupnikDpad isn't as bad as I feared.09:34
GeneralAntillesSpeakers on the N800 are really good09:34
GeneralAntillesI wonder.09:34
pupnikyeah they have a lot more room on 770 and N80009:34
pupniki mean, i can hear what's playing and stuff, but my 770 is a lot louder than the N81009:35
pupnikand the 810 sound is highly distorted at all volumes09:35
GeneralAntillesThat's pretty nasty.09:37
GeneralAntillesI think they sacrificed too much for a size reduction, personally.09:38
pupnikwell i hear other people praising the N810 speakers a lot09:38
pupnikso i really can't say.  I'm not going to return it (it serves its purpose - letting me test games/emus)09:39
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Zichi09:57
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AddisonGreetings everyone!  Anyone here still conscious this late at night?  :o)10:04
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LynoureAddison: morning, 10, here.10:10
LynoureI wonder if there is anywhere where I can leave a bounty for Evince for OS2008?10:11
AddisonWhere are you from that makes it 10 am Lynoure?10:12
LynoureFinland :)10:12
LynoureIsn't that almost the expected place for a person interested in Nokia Linux thing to be from, if they are on irc on top of that? :)10:13
AddisonI didn't know Finland was really known for anything to be honest.  :op10:13
LynoureNokia is from Finland, and so is Linux and irc10:14
AddisonWell, shows you how much I know.10:14
LynoureI guess quite many people think Nokia is from Japan =)10:14
AddisonWell, I was hoping to just pick up on a few conversations here.  I don't have really a first clue on what to do with my N800.10:15
GeneralAntillesAddison, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=What_can_I_do_with_this_thing%3F10:16
GeneralAntilles:P10:16
jottAddison: write an app for it that shows some random messages on what you could do with your spare time ;)10:16
GeneralAntillesHehe10:17
GeneralAntilles"Get a life, jerkoff"10:17
LynoureI use mine a lot for reading pdfs, thus I'll prolly need to flash it back to os2007 soon10:17
GeneralAntilles"Get off the couch and wash yourself, asshat"10:17
Lynoureand for web, and skype, and occasional ssh session10:17
GeneralAntillesLynoure, the built-in PDF reader under OS2008 is pretty good, no?10:17
LynoureGeneralAntilles: No.10:17
GeneralAntillesMuch better than the OS2007 one, anyway.10:18
AddisonAm I in a bad mood or am I picking up so weird negative vibes from somewhere?  :o)10:18
LynoureGeneralAntilles: it loads the next page way slower than Evince and makes it quite easy to accidentally switch pages. Then getting the previous one also takes long.10:18
GeneralAntillesYou could always port it, Lynoure. :P10:18
Lynoureway slower = often 5s or so10:18
AddisonHey thanks for the link General!  That was exactly what I was hoping for!10:19
GeneralAntillesPut that together a couple days ago.10:19
LynoureGeneralAntilles: heh, if I ported it myself with my 0% maemo porting experience, it would be much wasted for the other people I know also wanting evince10:19
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LynoureI bet it would vacuum :)10:20
GeneralAntillesThat would be pretty cool.10:20
GeneralAntillesSorta like a Roomba? :P10:20
LynoureDo people normally name their Roombas? :) Ours is called Lo10:21
GeneralAntillesI've got a 1st-gen with a dead battery.10:22
GeneralAntillesNo name.10:22
GeneralAntillesI need to get a new battery for it. It'd be great for the apartment I'm in now.10:22
AddisonWhat college do you attend GeneralAntilles?10:23
GeneralAntillesFlorida State10:24
AddisonSo you party hard then?  :o)10:24
LynoureGeneralAntilles: but, if you point me to a good porting howto, I'll promise to at least look at it :)10:24
GeneralAntillesA little. ;)10:24
GeneralAntillesLynoure, don't know of one. :D10:25
* GeneralAntilles doesn't know Gtk either. ;)10:25
pupnikhow to waste a morning, youtube "japanese prank"10:29
GeneralAntillesHaha10:30
GeneralAntillespupnik, did you ever happen to feel out the 770's media limits?10:30
AddisonHey pupnik, how goes it?10:30
GeneralAntillesSpecifically, MPEG4 at 240x320, what bitrate can it manage?10:30
pupniknot really, it's codec dependent10:31
|tbb|generalantilles: seen your post @ itt "But no, there is no hit with a large hosts. Instead of resolving the URL from a DNS server, it resolves from the hosts, which points nowhere." what does it mean? large host file is bad?10:31
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pupnikbut it handled all 'reasonable' bitrates here - like up to about 600 or so10:31
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GeneralAntillesMeans, the post wasn't very clear. :P10:32
GeneralAntillesCool, thanks, pupnik.10:32
AddisonHey pupnik, you never answered my latest post in your Dosbox thread.  I was asking you what the status was on that.10:32
GeneralAntillesa big hosts file has no speed impact10:32
GeneralAntillesIt just checks there first before going to a DNS server10:32
pupnikuh well newer 0.72 with fixed pointer alignment should be up on my site10:32
pupniks/pointer//10:32
infobotpupnik meant: uh well newer 0.72 with fixed  alignment should be up on my site10:32
AddisonI also asked about what the approximate speed it runs at comparable to a computer.10:33
AddisonIs is somewhere around 4 mghz?10:33
GeneralAntillesWhat runs at?10:33
AddisonIs it somewhere around 4 mghz?10:33
pupnikon 770 about 4.77-8 mhz 8086, on 810 about 8-10 mhz 8086/8028610:33
AddisonSorry, I'm a little drunk right now.  I'd probably would have better luck typing with my feet.  :o)10:34
AddisonThanks pupnik.  That's all I was asking for.10:34
LynoureAddison: don't worry, it could have been milligigahertz :)10:34
pupnikif we ever get a dynamic cpu recompiler for x86-arm the speed will go up a lot10:35
AddisonSo your done with your project of Dosbox?  No more updates or things to look forward to?10:35
pupnikthere's tons left to do10:35
AddisonHave you gotten your 810 in the mail yet?10:36
pupnika sdl-game launcher, savestates, accelerated 320x200 / 320x240 vga modes10:36
pupnikyes10:36
AddisonExcellent!  :o)10:36
AddisonWhat kind of junk do you have running in Dosbox or don't you use it that much?10:37
pupnikalso n810 keyboard support, and of course a decent one-click installer10:37
pupniki played some ultima 5 and prince of persia and alleycat10:38
AddisonHow does prince of persia fair?  Like does it run really chunky?10:39
pupnikon 770 with a tweaked dosbox.conf (frameskip, cpu cycles) it was just barely playable10:40
ha1fcan sdl_media play mp3's on the n800/n810?10:41
pupnikdunno10:42
ha1fbummer.10:42
unique311_dosbox is a game emu?10:43
ha1fit's a dos emulator in general afiak10:43
pupnikit's an x86 PC emulator with built-in dos shell10:44
ha1fdoes anyone know if there is anyway to play an mp3 in python on the n800/n810?  pygame fails completely.10:44
pupnikif you install gstreamer tools/utils, you can play a mp3 with a system call10:45
pupnikwhich is kind of nice because it'll use the dsp instead of cpu10:46
ha1fwill i have control over the mp3, or will it just play after the call?10:46
jottpupnik: speaking of ultima, would you like to update your port for os2008 or put the original diff somewhere?10:46
jott(exult)10:47
pupnikwanna help work on exult?! :)10:47
jottwhy not :)10:47
pupnikwooo10:47
pupnikjust a minute10:49
jottmh can someone reproduce: in the chinook sdk run "rpcgen", i'll get "/scratchbox/tools/alien_bin/rpcgen.bin: error while loading shared libraries: /scratchbox/tools/alien_bin/rpcgen.bin: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"10:49
jott(with armel selected)10:49
|tbb|is there a known way to send sms with n810 from skype account?10:53
LynoureHmm, even my desktop skype does not seem to offer sms11:05
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|tbb|mine does11:06
ha1fsms, or chat?  i've never noticed an sms feature...11:07
Lynoure|tbb|: Where? on which version?11:08
ha1foh wow it does have that feature11:08
ha1fhttp://www.skype.com/help/guides/sms.html11:08
ha1fdon't see it on my n800 though :\11:09
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LynoureOn this Linux skype I don't even have a Tools menu11:10
|tbb|ha1f that's my problem11:10
Lynoureand it is the latest beta there is.11:10
Khertanjott: same thing here11:11
KhertanHi11:11
jottthanks for testing..11:12
KhertanSomeone know how can i make a transparent gtk label ?11:12
jottany idea how i can fix this? (i.e. force arm based rpcgen or create this alien_bin dir)?11:12
|tbb|i wonder why skype doesnt offer this service on maemo or even on website11:12
Khertani mean a gtk.Label with a trasparent background11:13
Lynoure|tbb|: do they offer it in some Linux skype? If so, which one?11:13
Khertanjott: don't know sorry11:13
LynoureNot that their sms prices are any less than normal sms prices here :)11:13
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|tbb|your right no sms on nix xsytems11:15
Khertani like the pygtk faq11:17
Khertan13.42. How do I show a picture (image) in a treeview background or exist any way how to set treeview (and window with treeview) as transparency ?11:17
KhertanR U KIDDING ME?11:17
Khertanthis is their answer11:17
Khertanvery helpfull11:18
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AddisonHey pupnik, are you still here?11:50
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|tbb|inz, generalantiles found a way now,thx to #bash printf '\033c\033[!p\033[?3;4l\033>'11:56
GeneralAntillesCool11:57
|tbb|yeah :)11:58
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Khertandoes source of available home applet in 2008 are available somewhere12:12
Khertan?12:13
pupnikjenesaispas12:13
pupnikhi Addison12:13
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melmothKhertan: apt-get source ?12:14
Khertanhum ... don t see it ...12:14
Khertanin apt-cache12:14
AddisonOh hey!  I wanted to ask you if you are able to get any music or sound in Dosbox?12:14
melmothKhertan: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Writing_a_Plug-in_for_Maemo12:19
melmothnow, i remember there was also this video presentation about the pythn pluggin and a hello world with it, but i forgot the url12:19
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melmothhttp://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/12:29
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UCLAgeekis anyone out there?12:48
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pupnikIn the epistemological sense?12:49
UCLAgeekheh12:49
UCLAgeekIn any sense I suppose12:49
UCLAgeekI'm trying out KDE on the n 80012:50
pupnikhow's it working for you?12:50
UCLAgeekgood so far, have you seen/tried it?12:51
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UCLAgeekhmm12:54
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Khertanmelmoth: yes i ve saw this video ... but what i m looking is writing text with transparent backgroud :)12:57
Khertanmelmoth: i ve already one plugin which work ... but it lack transparency12:58
Khertanmelmoth: and if i understand the source in the wiki ... it s not a transparent widget too ... :'13:00
melmothhmm. I never tryed to do any transparent stuff.13:01
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Khertanmelmoth: me too ... but needed for a home applet :)13:09
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Cptnodegardanyone have any idea how to change colors for GPE summary?13:22
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pupnikhaha nice.. the idling n810 got disconnected from my wep wlan and gave a system sound13:27
pupnikso i fired up kismet on the 770 and found someone blasting deauth packets13:27
pupnikprobably the neighbor kid13:28
pupnikkudos to nokia for making OS2008 play a sound when it loses connection :)13:29
GeneralAntillesHehe13:29
GeneralAntillesDid you hax his box? :P13:29
pupnikno, not interested in that kind of game13:30
GeneralAntillesRedirect all all his DNS requests to the NSA's website.13:30
GeneralAntilles*of13:30
pupnikhmrm13:32
pupnikif I set up hostAP i think there will be no ssid broadcast13:32
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pupnikor just do usb networking for now13:32
lcukmornin folks13:33
pupnikhuhu13:34
GeneralAntillesSwitch to WPA213:34
lcuki have a compiling question...  i can code and run python quite happily now with my windows based editor and scp copying, but if i need a c module compiling i am stuck.   is it possible to compile directly on the device? i know its impractical for big jobs but for what i need it would be benificial13:37
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melmothlcuk: it supposed to be possible, but i never try it.13:50
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lcukmelmoth, i suppose i will try it then, its just everything ive read was geared to scratchbox which seems like an awful lot just for small mods13:53
lcuki will document my trials and see where i get up to :)13:53
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melmothif you dont need anything fancy, scratchbox install and works easily14:00
pupnikhttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux14:01
pupnikthe wiki still links to the 42-18 os200814:01
pupnikhttp://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin14:01
pupnikwhere is the newer one14:01
GeneralAntilleshttp://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php ?14:02
lcukmel - i have windows desktop - since i have a linux box in my hand i would have thought i could do it directly on here.  i will be finding out later14:03
pupniksorry stupid question14:03
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pupnik(entering your code leads to a page with three images)14:04
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lcukpupnik its not a stupid question if the wiki is out of date and you are trying to follow its instructions14:04
pupnikwell it's rather irrelevant since after entering code, you see all versions available14:05
mbufwhere can i get the source code for qemu for Maemo?14:05
pupnikwiki should just link to the link GeneralAntilles referenced14:05
lcukagreed14:05
GeneralAntillesFix it, then.14:05
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lcuki think i need to start joining all these clubs14:07
JaffaMorning, all14:08
* Jaffa has a plan to solve the repository problem. Need to write it up for maemo-devel14:09
lcukomg jaffa im so sorry i think i am eating your brother right now14:09
timelyJaffa: what problems? :)14:09
* lcuk puts down the orange14:09
Jaffalcuk: small ones are more juicy, naturally14:10
timelyJaffa: afaict people still use mine and it still works :)14:10
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Jaffatimely: not that problem, the whole "lets have lots of them and it's not a problem for the users cos it's so easy for us devs" problem kinda thing14:11
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lcukjaffa - one repo to rule them all - one repo to bind them14:12
timelylcuk: and in the darkness only gronmayer will find them14:12
lcuklol14:12
timelyJaffa: step one: shoot all the devs14:13
timelystep two: ...14:13
Jaffastep three: profit!14:13
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lcukactually, in the (minimum setting nokia decides is darkness) only gronmayer....14:13
timelyoh right, i forgot that step14:14
JaffaReminds me of the old MS joke: How many Microsoft developers does it take to change a lightbulb? None, they just define dark as the new industry standard and move on.14:14
* timely grins14:14
lcukin soviet russia, darkness defines YOU!14:15
* lcuk cant believe he said that14:15
Lynoureheh14:18
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pupnikgronmeyer's addition of one-click install for the various repos is quite nice14:22
[pablo]is there an rss feed somewhere of latest updates on maemo.org/downloads ?14:23
[pablo]nevermind, browser was being lame and not detecting it right, i found it14:24
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Jaffapupnik: doesn't help with the lack of QA and the fact there's conflicting software between the repos.14:32
timelyJaffa: do you know how to get hardware details from /proc?14:32
Jaffah/w details on what?14:32
Jaffas/on/of/14:33
infobotJaffa meant: h/w details of what?14:33
timelyessentially the tablet's hardware build identifier14:33
timelythere are theoretically different versions of the hardware14:33
JaffaHmm, I've seen it mentioned somewhere; but can't remember the details.14:33
alteregotimeless, you mean RX44 etc ?14:33
timelyno14:33
JaffaAh. Mrs Jaffa calling: lunch ready.14:33
timelymore granular14:34
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alteregoGoing buy RX44 is the best way imo14:34
alteregoThat is the device's hardware name. That's it's profile.14:34
timelyalterego: so, for a given model, e.g. the 77014:34
timelythere is more than one hardware version14:34
timelythey're going to look the same14:34
alteregoSo?14:34
timelybut they would have slightly different hardware components14:35
Khertan[pablo]: browser isn't lame ... it the page source which lame ...14:35
timelyand if some of the components are flakier than others...14:35
alteregoHmmm.14:35
[pablo]Khertan: well, flock didn't recognize it but firefox did14:35
Khertan[pablo]: huh ? my firefox didn't14:35
timely /proc/component_version14:35
timelye.g. i have su-18/160214:36
timelythe 1602 being the interesting part14:36
alteregoYeah, that's probably more like what you're looking for.14:36
timelyJaffa: i ask because for 2673, it'd be nice to know which versions people have14:36
[pablo]Khertan: really? gave me the rss icon in the url bar and clicking on it provided3 feeds, 1 feed each for 2008/2007/200614:36
alteregohw-build etc.14:36
timelyalterego: i'm not asking because i don't know, i'm asking whether he new14:36
timelyand then spreading some information virally :)14:37
alteregoAh14:37
alteregoHeh14:37
* timely infects alterego and jacques14:37
* timely infects alterego and Jaffa14:37
timelygo forth and multiply or something14:37
alteregoNot sure that's possible, both being guys and all :P14:37
timelyalterego: virii reproduce asexually14:39
timelyno problem there14:39
lcukkhertan, bug report, editor still does not allow tap open of files from file manager, but will now open if i select app from the list.  however it opens 2 tabs a blank code window and the file i selected14:39
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lcukie tap file says unable to recognise file search for an app to open it14:40
lcuki select pygtked and it opens with the file then14:41
Khertanlcuk: hum ... yes ... mime type ve been deleted in this release ... because it s not finished :)14:41
lcukthats fair enough, just thought i would let you know.  i have been more able to use it now with the indenting. ty14:42
Khertanso it filemanager say that it don't recognize the file ... but if u select pygtkeditor it open it ... this wasn't the case in previous release ...14:42
Khertanand ... Thanks for your report14:42
lcukno, previous release from repo just opened it with no file14:43
Khertanlcuk: for information i ve successfuly use python binding for hildon desktop ...14:43
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lcukcool14:43
Khertanand i ve one home plugin which work ... but now i m trying to do it more ... cool ... (transparent mainly)14:43
lcuk:)14:43
lcukbrb14:44
Khertanbrb too14:44
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ulisesaye up chaps14:45
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lcukcan 8x0s overheat if you lay them on top of a pillow? i was sat with it on a pillow on my knee and i notice its warm14:48
* lcuk has it on a book now just incase but the back is very slippery14:48
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hugolpanyone knows where I can find mysql-client for OS2008?14:52
hugolprenatofilho^:  you arround?14:52
pupniki doubt they overheat lcuk14:52
ciccio124!list14:53
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lcuki doubt it too, but it was just a thought14:53
lcukon the slippery back subject, does anyone know where i can get a big sheet of sticky back rubber - like a massive tyre puncture repair patch14:54
lcuki want to coat the entire back of my 810 so it grips better14:55
jeddy3lcuk isn't there some kind of paint/spray that would work?14:56
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lcuki dunno, the best i have found is a puncture repair thing ive got a couple stuck on the left hand side but they keep coming off - but at least with a a patch i can take it off again if i want to sell it.  with paint i cant14:57
ulisesanyone tried XFCE on the 770?14:57
ulisesI just got mine and I'd like to start messing about with it14:58
lcukulises people have diff desktops compiling on diff models (think kde is latest) but ive not heard of xfce .  have you tried a google?15:01
ulisestried indeed15:01
ulisesmy question was more aimed at porting different WM to the tablet15:01
ulisessuch as fluxbox15:01
ulisesjust compiled it and it works15:02
ulisesintegration is far from acceptable, but that's me blindly killing matchbox and running fluxbox15:02
ulisesso I was more asking for documentation on how to replace the default desktop with your own15:02
ulisessorry if I asked the wrong question :)15:02
lcuknp i just looked and some1 aappears to have xfce runnin15:03
pupnikhttp://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/01/securitymatters_0110   Bruce Schneier on why he runs an open wireless network15:04
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pupnikulises - check internettablettalk.com for xfce examples15:05
ulisescheers pup15:05
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ulisesaaah, openbox ... nice15:10
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czrmornik15:24
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Lynoureczr: Hello :)15:27
czrhey Lynoure, long time :-).15:28
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Lynoureczr: Would you happen to know any howto for getting os2007 apps to work for os2008 or just getting stuff os2008-happy? I'm having evince withdrawal symptoms15:28
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czrhmm. the mailinglist had some stuff about problems with evince (I think for 2008)15:29
czras for the other stuff, yes, I'd know something, but that's mostly to do with API changes and different names for libs (hildon and such)15:30
czrmind you, I just came back from a one month vacation during which I thought about maemo for exactly zero times :-)15:30
LynoureI have not even seen evince for os2008. Even problematic one might be ok.15:31
LynoureYey :)15:31
czrlet me check the ml what the thing was there..15:31
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czrsearch for "Build Evince on Maemo" from 2008-01-07 (from Ed Bartosh)15:33
czrI think someone is doing a 2008 port as we speak (will go into garage)15:33
czrLynoure, the ml archives are available on maemo.org (look under the "Lists" section)15:33
czrseems that evince needs some amount of patching anyway15:33
czrand those patches were never pushed upstream since they were maemo-specific15:34
Lynoureczr: a bit too complicated for a maemo newbie then, maybe.15:35
czrLynoure, probably. however, you might want to sub to the ml to see when evince is ready :-)15:35
czror just contact the people directly who are doing the port15:36
czrthey might want some help :-)15:36
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* czr has no idea how difficult the whole porting this is.15:36
czrif one has working bora sw, porting that to chinook normally isn't all that hard15:36
Lynoureczr: I could contact them and offer 10 euros for their refreshment budget15:37
czr:-)15:37
LynoureI was quite happy with the old evince for os2008. It would not open every pdf, but that was ok15:38
* czr nods15:38
czrI honestly haven't used my devices for anything15:38
czrduring my vacation I started my N00 exactly once15:38
LynoureHow was the vacation? :)15:38
czrvery relaxing :-)15:39
czrah yes, warm too :-) mostly.15:39
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Jaffatimely: FWIW, I've got hw-build 0801 on mine. Mrs Jaffa's is downstairs so can't check hers15:59
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zoransome soul uses dict app on the gadget with dictd server on the net?16:58
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|tbb|how can i easy list date of files in this format dd.mm.yyyy ? something like ls -al myfilename17:23
zoranif I recall well, date command should be set with "+" and including []17:24
zoranwhat shell?17:25
|tbb|yes shell17:26
zoranhm?17:26
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petergunnin gnu ls you can use --time-format but it wont work with busybox17:35
petergunnoops --time-style :-)17:35
petergunnperl script is probably easiest way17:36
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* |tbb| search for an method to do it in sh script i17:36
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zoranthe most simple way would be to set time format as variable17:37
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petergunndoes that work with busybox?17:37
zorandunno really17:38
zoranI cannot guess what the very purpose should be17:38
zoransomeone has idea how to from imap send mail, as reply or intependently?17:40
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petergunnfor f in /media/mmc2/*; do perl -e '@s=stat(@ARGV[0]); @t=localtime(@s[10]); printf "%02d.%02d.%04d @ARGV[0]\n",1+@t[4],1+@t[3],1900+@t[5];' $f; done17:43
petergunnoutput...17:43
petergunn01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz217:43
petergunn01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb17:43
petergunn01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb17:43
petergunn01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb17:43
petergunn01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/local.img17:43
petergunn01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/swap.img17:43
petergunnlolz - dates were wrong - here is fixed version... (uses file mod time)...17:45
petergunnfor f in /media/mmc2/*; do perl -e '@s=stat(@ARGV[0]); @t=localtime(@s[9]); printf "%02d.%02d.%04d @ARGV[0]\n",1+@t[4],@t[3],1900+@t[5];' $f; done17:45
petergunn12.29.2007 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz217:46
petergunn01.08.2008 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb17:46
petergunn01.08.2008 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb17:46
petergunn01.08.2008 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb17:46
petergunn01.12.2008 /media/mmc2/local.img17:46
petergunn01.12.2008 /media/mmc2/swap.img17:46
petergunnls output...17:46
petergunn-rw-r--r--    1 user     root    308317552 Dec 29 00:48 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz217:46
petergunn-rw-r--r--    1 user     root       308122 Jan  8 21:10 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb17:46
petergunn-rw-r--r--    1 user     root     21260684 Jan  8 22:31 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb17:46
petergunn-rw-r--r--    1 user     root       510548 Jan  8 21:16 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb17:46
petergunn-rw-r--r--    1 user     root    1342177280 Jan 12 12:39 /media/mmc2/local.img17:46
petergunn-rw-r--r--    1 user     root    134217728 Jan 12 12:39 /media/mmc2/swap.img17:46
zorandate should be corrected, day first, as original poster wanted17:46
petergunnah ok...17:46
petergunnfor f in /media/mmc2/*; do perl -e '@s=stat(@ARGV[0]); @t=localtime(@s[9]); printf "%02d.%02d.%04d @ARGV[0]\n",@t[3],@t[4],1900+@t[5];' $f; done17:47
petergunn29.11.2007 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz217:47
zoranand sorting in 3 loops, prom year, to month, to day17:47
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zoran*from17:48
|tbb|petergunn thx, but that wasnt what i want i just wanted to know if there is an easy way without doing loops etc17:48
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|tbb|-perl17:48
zoranyes, lemme check some old cd17:48
petergunnif you output YYYY-MM-DD you can just use sort cmd17:48
JaffaRight, grand plan unveiled on maemo-dev. Time to decamp to the sofa for a cuppa.17:49
* petergunn would prefer if os2008 came with GNU ls, and syntax highlighting vim17:50
zoran$(date +%d-%m-%Y)17:50
pupnikthere's a very nice vi build from bsd avail at abour 200kB17:50
pupnikstock linux vim is a bloated whale at ~5MB17:50
petergunnzoran: nice - I didnt realize that ash was that capable  :-)17:51
zoranI used it for tcsh17:51
zorannow, lets see old cd17:51
petergunnfor f in /media/mmc2/*; do date -r $f +"%d-%m-%Y $f"; done17:53
petergunn29-12-2007 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz217:53
petergunn08-01-2008 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb17:53
petergunn08-01-2008 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb17:53
petergunn08-01-2008 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb17:53
petergunn12-01-2008 /media/mmc2/local.img17:53
petergunn12-01-2008 /media/mmc2/swap.img17:53
petergunnnice :-)17:54
zoranI cannot recall the app that trims parts of the line17:54
zoranused it years ago and forgot17:54
petergunnwhat u wanna trim?17:55
zoranparts of output so | could make a job17:55
zorancut maybe17:55
zoranyes, it is17:55
zoranand -d17:55
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alteregoAnyone know if the N95 has a memory card slot?18:09
kaltsiyes it has18:12
kaltsimicroSD18:12
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KhertanHi ... again ...18:21
Khertanmaybe some gtk guru can help me ...18:21
Khertani ve made a plugin with only a gtk.Frame in ...18:22
Khertanbut this frame is blank ...18:22
Khertanhow can i set the alpha or transparency ?18:22
alteregoI'm still suprised no-one has packages wireless tools yet.18:24
alteregoOkay .. Maybe someone has ^_^18:26
L0cN800i have wirelesstools installed18:28
Khertanalterego: it s already released ... but still useless18:29
Khertan:)18:29
alteregoHeh18:29
Khertanis there a chan somewhere where i can find gtk guru ?18:30
alteregoirc.gnome.org ##gtk+18:30
Khertanhum ... thx alterego18:30
Khertancome back later ...18:30
Khertan:)18:30
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Khertan(i need to learn how to use irssi on multiple servers)18:31
alteregoHeh18:31
alteregoiwconfig appears to work on my N810 ..18:33
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LoCusFheck, gotta get a E51 this year18:35
Khertaniwconfig ? for setting mode monitoring ?18:36
Khertanfor setting MAC address ?18:36
|tbb|khertan why i t should be useless=18:36
|tbb|sed /=/?/18:36
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Khertan|tbb|: because setting something with it in the n800 in os2007 make the private driver not work properly18:38
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alteregoWell, whatever I've done I've broken it :P18:38
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alteregoI tried to set it to monitoring mode.18:38
alteregoTried but failed.18:38
Khertanarg ....18:38
|tbb|hmmh18:39
|tbb|what u mean with private driver18:39
alteregoIt's not all a loss though. I'm going to compile the driver for my ZD1211 based USB dongle :)18:42
Khertanthis gtk/transparency problem will me make crazy ...18:42
alteregoKhertan, I did know how to do it. But I've forgotten sorry :/18:42
Khertanalterego: grrrr ... :)18:43
Khertanalterego: any links / tutos / beers ?18:43
alteregoHeh18:43
Khertanalterego: you know that i ve finally made this hildondesktop binding works ...18:43
Khertanthis is why i need transparency :)18:44
alteregohttp://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine/18:44
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Khertanonly with the rgba colormap ?18:46
Khertanthere isn't exampel it just say to set the rgba colormap ...18:47
alteregoRight18:47
Khertanso a simple set_colormap in python should be enougth ... i m trying18:48
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alteregoYes18:48
Khertanonce i ve found the arguments of the methods :)18:49
Khertanhum ... it take a gdk.ColorMap ...18:50
alteregohttp://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-question-index.html    -- Item 1.2518:50
Khertanbut there isn't too many explication18:50
alteregoSorry, 1.15 ..18:50
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Khertani ve see this one last time on the faq18:51
Khertanocs/pygtk/class-gdkcolormap.html18:52
Khertantransp18:52
Khertanarg ...18:52
Khertanhttp://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=show&file=faq13.042.htp18:52
pupnikman, that's gonna be a compositing operation added to every draw... slow...18:52
Khertannot very helpfull18:52
Khertanpupnik: it s for hildondesktop ...18:52
Khertanhome applet18:52
pupnikok well, it does look pretty18:53
Khertan:)18:53
Khertanfor a application transparency isn't needed :)18:53
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solmumahapupnik: pm18:53
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skiburGood Morning!19:00
Khertanouch ... pygtk documentation / and api in maemo differs19:00
Khertandef get_rgba_colormap()19:00
Khertanin documentation ... and ask me an argument in python19:00
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lmouraKhertan, what OS? 2k7 or 2k8?19:01
Khertan200819:01
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Khertanoups ... sorry ... it s a mistake19:01
skiburY2K8?19:01
Khertani m wrongly call it on a wrong object19:02
lmouraoh, ok19:02
Khertani assume it was a static call19:03
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lophyte-nhey all... anyone know if its possible to read Microsoft eReader books on n800?19:05
Veggenlophyte: probably not.19:05
spirytusicklophyte-n: not directly, unpackage them with clit and then use your favourite reader (read FBReader) :)19:05
lophyte-nahhh, nice19:05
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Khertanlmoura: but there is another problem19:06
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Khertanlmoura: executing  gtk.gdk.Screen().get_rgba_colormap() give a segfault in ipython19:06
lophyte-nclit can unpackage any lit? i don't want to buy a book and find out i can't read it on my n80019:07
Khertanlmoura: and with python too19:07
Khertanalterego: i ll never get my python transparent home applet:)19:08
Khertantoday19:08
alteregoHeh19:08
lmouraKhertan, pastebin?19:09
lmouraanother thing, are you using the python-hildondesktop?19:09
spirytusicklophyte-n: so far it unpackaged any I have tried it against19:10
Khertanlmoura> just two line python script ...19:10
lmouraoh, ok19:10
Khertanhttp://pastebin.com/d111f3f0a19:11
lophyte-nspirytusick, nice... thanks :)19:11
Khertanlmoura: yes i'm using the python-hildondesktop ...19:11
Khertanbut for the segfault i ve made an example ...19:12
Khertanlmoura: i ve successfully compiled it ... and using it at this time ...19:12
spirytusicklophyte-n: I've been using it for quite some time now although most of my books are of palm descent...19:12
Khertanlmoura: but now i m trying to do transparent hildondesktop home applet... to not break my nice wallpaper :)19:13
lmouraKhertan, we are planning to release a package this week19:13
Khertangreat19:13
hugolpanyone know where I can find packets to mysql-client for the OS2008?19:13
Khertani ve do too ... i was preparing my own repos ...19:13
Khertanbut it ll be better to have one in the same repos19:14
giskard213.156.44.152 -> repository.maemo.org gives me a 401 when  i try to "apt-get update"19:14
giskardthis is a already know bug, which prevent some italian users to connecto to repo.maemo.org19:14
giskarddo you know if there are others official repo?19:14
Khertanlmoura: do u reproduct the segfault ?19:15
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lmouraKhertan, yes19:16
Khertanlmoura: maybe i don t use gtk.gdk in a wrong way ...19:16
lmouraI don't think so19:16
Khertans/don t use/use19:16
lmourait passes in desktop19:16
lmouraso, probably there's something wrong19:16
lmouraI'm writing a small c test19:16
Khertansnif ...19:16
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Khertani ll be not the first to release a nice transparent widget ... ;)19:17
alterego:)19:18
Khertanmaybe i m on the wrong way ... the purpose was first to make a transparent label for my home applet ... but there is maybe an other way ?19:18
lophyte-nspirytusick, do you buy ebooks at all?19:18
Khertanalterego: don't laught ...19:19
Khertan:19:19
Khertan:)19:19
Khertanbrb in 8min19:19
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lmouraKhertan, the C function is returning null19:20
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lmouraOh, another thing planned are goocanvas bindings19:21
lmouraTheir demo runs quite fine, even animations19:22
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alteregoOoo .. I know what I can do with my N800 ..19:24
solmumahasell it to me?19:27
alteregoI have two ideas. One get my brother to give me a new phone when he gets a new handset on his contract and swap it for the N800, the second is to work on my own OS for it.19:27
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alteregoThree ideas: Third is to try and get the development maemo tree on it :)19:27
lmouraKhertan, I got it. pygobject_new(NULL) segfaults19:28
Khertanre19:29
* alterego chuckles.19:29
alteregoThat's not good.19:29
Khertanlmoura: so how to do ?19:29
alteregosolmumaha, I'm setting up my maemo SDK now. So I'm a little behind schedule but hopefully 0.4.1 will be out on Wednesday :)19:30
lmouraKhertan, I guess you'll have to wait a bit until we release a fix by this week (probably tuesday)19:30
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Khertanlmoura: ah ... ok. thx for your help !19:33
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lmouraKhertan, we forgot something19:39
lmouraimport pygtk :)19:39
lmouraIt works19:39
alteregoHah19:39
lmouraWell, at least doen't segfaults, but returns none (as in C)19:40
alteregoAh yes, I remember in the source they don't include dependencies ..19:40
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lophyte-nanyone know a good site to buy ebooks that i can read on my n800?19:44
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skibur?21:56
inzpetergunn, you see a gaping hole below you21:57
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Robot101this is badgeredbeyond belief badgers on a snakeyayayawoot on badgers indeed22:00
Robot101hm22:00
Robot101that was a test, apologies :)22:00
pupnikbadger mushroom?22:02
GeneralAntillesRobot101, you failed.22:02
* Robot101 is playing with wondershaper to make his ssh more interactive22:03
* Robot101 isn't succeeding22:03
* Robot101 can't remember what the speed of his cable line is22:03
Robot101well, not mine, my housemate's22:03
* lcuk hopes his cable speed is zero22:03
* lcuk hates it when it waves around in the wind22:03
Robot101ooh thats a lot better22:05
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Robot101I have a really slow upload it seems22:05
Robot101maybe it's 2Mbit down, 128 up22:05
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Deliohello22:45
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petergunnanyone used vpnc thru DUN?22:46
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nick_fnWhat is the difference between "arm" and "armel" architectures?23:11
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Robot101the el means endian little, which is a bad joke23:12
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Robot101but arm is little endian too23:13
Robot101it's actually different because it uses the new ARM ABI23:13
nick_fnSo armel is the N770, and arm is the N8x0 ?23:13
Robot101which changes the way that the registers are laid out when functions are called23:13
Robot101and also how system calls are made in the kernel23:13
Robot101to take advantage of new CPU features in more recent ARM cores23:13
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nick_fnI ask because I'm trying to find gnumeric for OS2007/N800. It's listed at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/gnumeric/ , but the packages are only for armel.23:14
Robot101armel is the newer one23:14
Robot101the N770 was arm, the N800 onwards uses armel23:14
nick_fnah, ok.23:14
nick_fnthanks :-)23:15
BlafaselHrmpf. Still waiting and praying that I get my device tomorrow..23:15
Deliosomeone the other day was showing off some code to create desktop applets in python23:18
Delioany chances to get that published somewhere?23:19
lcukdelio unless they were just showing you screenshots then you should have the code23:22
lcukor was he just talking about them23:22
Deliojust talking about it23:22
Delioand I cannot recall who it was23:22
Delio>.<23:22
lcukhave a look back through the history log (its done daily - google finds it) and see if you can find him23:23
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lcuklooking myself it was (who i thought it was) khertan23:24
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lcukhttp://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%23maemo+log+python+desktop+applet+delio&btnG=Search&meta=23:27
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Deliothanks a lot, I forgot about the log history :P23:28
lcuk:)23:28
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spirytusicktime to take the red pill....23:42
spirytusickgd night...23:42
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__Nikos__is there a bluetooth headset for n800 os2007?23:43
BlafaselInteresting. Someone in the log said that the N800 is "better" than the N810? Is that the overall opinion?23:43
GeneralAntillesNot really.23:43
GeneralAntillesDuh, Blafasel.23:43
BlafaselYeah, right. It was you.23:43
GeneralAntillesCheaper, lighter, much much much more storage, not stupid thumbboard, no stupid button placement, etc.23:44
GeneralAntilless/not/no/23:44
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: Cheaper, lighter, much much much more storage, no stupid thumbboard, no stupid button placement, etc.23:44
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DistNever tried N800, but N810 is a bit hard to hold and the pouch is really bad23:45
DistNeeds a metallic cover or something like that23:45
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BlafaselHard to hold? Because of the shape?23:46
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DistYeah, and no place to attach any strap so feels like it's very easy to drop also23:46
lcukDist - i am trying to find a big piece of sticky back rubber23:47
lcukits so easy to drop23:47
lcukive improvised with tyre puncture repair patches23:47
lcuki lie on back in bed reading and hold it between first 2 knuckles - dont ask - and it slides out really easily23:48
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GeneralAntillesHa23:48
GeneralAntillesI love the stand23:48
GeneralAntillesI can lie on my side in bed and just let it sit there on its stand.23:48
lcuki cant read sideways - i wear glasses23:49
GeneralAntillesRotate the text.23:49
GeneralAntilleshttp://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html23:49
GeneralAntillesa little ways down that page.23:49
lcukits not the shape of the screen - its glasses in side of head from pillow23:49
GeneralAntillesOh, right23:49
GeneralAntillesYeah, I get that a little, too.23:49
lcukthey cost about as much as the 810 so i aint gonna bend them out of shape23:49
GeneralAntillesMostly near-sighted, though, so I don't need to wear them to read.23:50
* GeneralAntilles needs new ones.23:50
lcukive read on my back now since my first pda - its soothing and i know im dozing off23:50
* lcuk puts it down when he nearly drops it23:50
GeneralAntillesHehe23:50
GeneralAntillesI can't sleep on my back.23:50
BlafaselCan you give me some comments regarding the wifi/gps signal quality? The first was quite bad in most S60 Nokias I've seen, the latter was the reason for a discussion on this channel some days ago.23:51
lcukthe other thing - fbreader does the page up/down thing really badly - i have it set rotated and i have a huge info area at the bottom (with clock etc in it) and clicking there moves pages instead of being locked as i set in my preference23:51
GeneralAntillesWifi reception in the whole lineup of NITs is the best I've ever seen.23:52
GeneralAntillesFile a bug, lcuk23:52
GeneralAntillesfbreader.org23:52
lcukim a member there!23:52
lcukive already filed one bug and yes i will23:52
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* lcuk bet ya expected me to moan about joining :P23:52
GeneralAntillesI tell you what, I would not be the maemo proponent I am today without FBReader.23:53
GeneralAntillesFANTASTIC goddamn application.23:53
GeneralAntillesThe NIT screens are PERFECT for reading.23:53
lcuktbh - im a bit upset about reading books on this23:53
GeneralAntillesWhy?23:53
shack008nhow betterr, or worse, is battery  life when networking over bluetooth rather than using the wifi transceiver?23:54
lcukwell, each screen LOOKS fantastic, dont get me wrong.  its the refresh time that worries me.23:54
GeneralAntillesshack008n, the wifi powersaving isn't as good.23:55
GeneralAntillesBut it's not a LOT worse23:55
GeneralAntillesThe phone always takes a dive first, anyway. ;)23:55
lcuki came from an old fujitsu Loox with isolo which was fast enough to do kinetic scrolling23:55
GeneralAntilleser, *the bluetooth powersaving isn't very good compared to wifi.23:55
shack008nGeneralAntilles: mm, i was using adhoc to my laptop, now bluetoth23:55
GeneralAntillesReally? Refresh time doesn't bother me.23:55
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GeneralAntillesIt's still faster than turning a page in a paperback. ;)23:56
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lcukive got it set on 810 now to display about the same amount of text and the old device side by side with new device kills it23:56
GeneralAntillesPAN, shack008n?23:56
lcukthis is with a 5 year old pda23:56
shack008nlet's see if i'm still here in three hours23:56
shack008nGeneralAntilles: yes23:56
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GeneralAntillesI scroll page-by-page, so I don't notice refresh.23:56
BlafaselHmpf. My coworker got my N810 in NYC, but I've no idea if I can meet him tomorrow (he arrives, I leave for switzerland). Damn23:56
lcukit could just be the generic fbreader code which is doing it which i why ive not really done anything about it23:57
lcukbut once i get upto speed with the device i will be doing what i can to get crisp screen refresh23:57
lcukgen - i do as well, and rotated 90degrees i see the text draw from the left to right (top to bottom in real view)23:57
GeneralAntillesNeed to get a courier to bring it from him to you, Blafasel. ;)23:57
GeneralAntillesYeah, that's the problem with reading against-the-grain as it were.23:58
* lcuk got nokia superquick expensive delivery (i couldnt wait)23:58
lcukreading a portrait page like every other book reader?23:58
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lcuki think the code can be made faster - we know the device has limitations but i believe a double buffer algoyrthm might work23:59
BlafaselGeneralAntilles: Hmm.. A lot of money for my lack of patience.. ;)23:59
lcuki mean fbreader waits about .25 seconds before paging next anyway - might as well have it render in that time23:59

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