| jott | HE? | 00:00 |
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| jott | anyway.. i'll play around with vala a bit now :P | 00:02 |
| Tak | haha, have fun | 00:02 |
| jott | maybe you should upgrade to chinook ;) | 00:03 |
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| Tak | not until the hacker edition is on chinook | 00:04 |
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| Tester_ | for the 770 ? | 00:04 |
| Tak | yes | 00:04 |
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| blahdeblahN800 | Does maemo support wpad.dat style autoproxy? I've tried leaving the configuration URL blank, and that doesn't work. | 00:05 |
| Tak | then I will remove my bora toolchain, and all will be well | 00:05 |
| jott | hmm.. (from the hildon_hello sample) /usr/share/vala/vapi/hildon-1.vapi:595.19-595.28: error: Hildon.BreadCrumb: Interfaces cannot have multiple instantiable prerequisites (`Gtk.Object' and `GLib.InitiallyUnowned') | 00:06 |
| Tak | hooray! | 00:06 |
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| jott | i bet it depends on a newer hildon than chinook ;p | 00:07 |
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| Tak | actually, that's probably for the pre-chinook hildon | 00:08 |
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| jott | mh patching the .vapi seemed to work.. | 00:09 |
| jott | but the result looks gtk-ish not hildon-ish ..hm | 00:10 |
| * Tak => home | 00:10 | |
| juergbi | jott: it's fixed in svn, was an issue with an older binding generator | 00:10 |
| jott | juergbi: vala svn? | 00:10 |
| juergbi | Tak: it's for 1.99.0-2 | 00:10 |
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| juergbi | jott: yes but your fix in the local .vapi should work the same, i guess | 00:11 |
| jott | yeah still the result uses the gtk theme not the hildon ui.. :/ | 00:11 |
| juergbi | probably not a vala issue | 00:12 |
| jott | juergbi: are you involved in the development? | 00:12 |
| * juergbi still hasn't really started with hildon programming :/ | 00:12 | |
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| jott | (of vala that is) | 00:12 |
| juergbi | jott: i'm the maintainer | 00:12 |
| jott | ah i see.. | 00:13 |
| florian | Vala bindings for Hildon? | 00:13 |
| * florian missed the start of the discussion | 00:13 | |
| jott | can i generate the intermediate c file to see what's going on? | 00:14 |
| juergbi | florian: yes, vala has hildon bindings for quite some time | 00:14 |
| juergbi | jott: sure, valac -C | 00:14 |
| * jott needs to read some documentation :) | 00:14 | |
| jott | thanks | 00:14 |
| florian | juergbi: Sounds like I should take some time for learning :) | 00:15 |
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| jott | florian: i made debs for chinook if you like to test http://sse2.net/maemo/ | 00:16 |
| jott | ok there is just a know bug in it ;).. will fix this later.. | 00:17 |
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| florian | jott: oh nice - many thanks | 00:18 |
| * Jaffa will have to play with that tomorrow. | 00:18 | |
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| * florian got a nice piece of motivation today :-) | 00:18 | |
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| florian | but noone donates time to me ;) | 00:19 |
| jott | florian: you need to edit /usr/share/vala/vapi/hildon-1.vapi:595.19-595.28: and remove all but the Gtk.Widget | 00:19 |
| * Jaffa has a long queue of maemo related activities to do - and not enough time with family, work and sleep. | 00:20 | |
| jott | juergbi: seems something borked here.. the executable works fine on the device as it seems | 00:20 |
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| ustunozgur | which one is the most efficient ad blocking system? adblock seems to slow things down a lot. does /etc/hosts work better? | 00:21 |
| * jott forgot run-standalone.sh :/ | 00:21 | |
| ustunozgur | privoxy seems to be connection dependent. | 00:22 |
| florian | Jaffa: same here... | 00:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | hosts + css works well for me. | 00:22 |
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| ustunozgur | GeneralAntilles: css? how do you use that? | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | find yourself an adblocking css file, then figure out where to put it | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | google it | 00:23 |
| ustunozgur | ok. | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | it's buried somewhere in a microb chrome directory. | 00:24 |
| milhouse | nokia really should have put a little touch sensitive pad where the camera/light sensor is located - would have been excellent for "thumb scrolling" :) | 00:24 |
| milhouse | or maybe a wheel... | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | A wheel on the top right of the N800 would be perfectly | 00:24 |
| ustunozgur | GeneralAntilles: ok thanks | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . if it weren't for the stylus. | 00:24 |
| milhouse | GA - are you a leftie? | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 00:24 |
| milhouse | I'm a righty, and I wouldn't want it on the right as I hold the device in my left hand | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make for a perfect two-handed grip | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | d-pad for link selection | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | right wheel for scrolling | 00:25 |
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| florian | jott: What does the doc package contain? Some language documentation in html or better some ebook format for fbreader would rock. | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish they had cloned the keys on the left over to the right. | 00:26 |
| milhouse | i don't know why they flipped the return and task keys - i'm always pushing the wrong one | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because they hate their users | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia doesn't actually want maemo to be successful. | 00:26 |
| milhouse | i think that's it. :) | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's too much work for them. | 00:27 |
| jott | florian: uhm that is what debian provides (some html files) | 00:27 |
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| florian | jott: is there any language documentation in a compilable format such as docbook? | 00:28 |
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| jott | florian: ask juergbi :) http://live.gnome.org/Vala | 00:28 |
| pc_speaker | Hi everyone. | 00:28 |
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| florian | hi pc_speaker | 00:29 |
| pc_speaker | Am I only think that os2008 development is slow? | 00:29 |
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| pc_speaker | Os we already have "final release"? :) | 00:29 |
| pc_speaker | Or | 00:29 |
| juergbi | florian: no, not available in such a format at the moment (unfortunately, vala documentation is sparse in general) | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's running at about exactly the same pace as every other OS update. | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Little less time in beta than OS2006. | 00:30 |
| pc_speaker | Device will be 10 times better if it will be 2 or 3 times faster. | 00:30 |
| pc_speaker | That is the point. | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2 or 3 times. | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a tall order. | 00:30 |
| pc_speaker | Someone mentioned here that it's software problems mostly. | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, partly. | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm ready for OMAP3430. :( | 00:31 |
| pc_speaker | I was scared after switching from windows mobile. | 00:31 |
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| pc_speaker | n800 just feeeeeeled slow :) | 00:31 |
| pc_speaker | It's very feature rich but damn slow. | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can't do half the shit with a WinMob device that you can do with an N800. | 00:32 |
| pc_speaker | I know. | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn slow is hyperbole. | 00:32 |
| florian | juergbi: well ok, but my guess is right that the tutorial is not handcrafted, right? :) | 00:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Compared to similar devices, it's actually a little faster. | 00:32 |
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| pc_speaker | Try to shange font size in browser on heavy page :) | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It certainly loads most webpages faster than an iPhone. | 00:32 |
| BugBlue | I don't want all the features from WinMob.. I don't want to spent 20 minutes to search where to change from fixed-ip to dhcp on wireless | 00:32 |
| pc_speaker | While fit to page mode on... | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's a MicroB issue. | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gecko was never designed for a mobile platform | 00:33 |
| pc_speaker | But it's master application on the platform :) | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | so mobile-platform features will take a little time to implement. | 00:33 |
| pc_speaker | Opera wasn't fastest thing on the device too. | 00:33 |
| pc_speaker | Better on fitting pages but not faster. | 00:34 |
| juergbi | florian: the tutorial in the wiki is just in the wiki. the language doc html is generated from some simple xml | 00:34 |
| blahdeblahN800 | the only thing that's slow for me is this Stupid text recogniser | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, it's plenty fast for me. | 00:34 |
| pc_speaker | And where is fucking 3d support? :) | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Faster than any other mobile web browser I've used. | 00:34 |
| pc_speaker | PowerVR anyone? | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want to blame the 3rd party LCD controller. | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | blahdeblahN800, then turn it off. | 00:35 |
| * Jaffa 'd rather they got the basic UI right, before spending time & money on 3D games/fx. | 00:35 | |
| pc_speaker | Blame the hardware designers :) | 00:35 |
| florian | juergbi: ah ok... | 00:35 |
| * florian needs more time | 00:35 | |
| blahdeblahN800 | GeneralAntilles: i wish | 00:35 |
| pc_speaker | N800 screen was to big for built-in LCD controller... | 00:35 |
| pc_speaker | So... | 00:35 |
| pc_speaker | They just added other one. | 00:36 |
| Jaffa | OS2008 is a similar step up to OS2007 as 07 was to 06, in many ways. But some stuff's just so backwards... | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | pc_speaker, they didn't really have a lot of options. | 00:36 |
| Jaffa | Anyway, time for bed - not moaning :) | 00:36 |
| milhouse | GA - that's probably part of the problem but adding PowerVR support to the N8x0 would ensure full support by the time the "N900" arrives... leaving it out until the N900 means it's going to be the usual shit show for the first two releases | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was either smaller screen or 3rd party controller. | 00:36 |
| pc_speaker | They used smartphone chip, I know :) | 00:36 |
| pc_speaker | n900? | 00:36 |
| pc_speaker | x86? | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | blahdeblahN800, seriously, turn it off. | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a setting in Control Panel. | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hope not. | 00:37 |
| pc_speaker | Menlow, silverstone... | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430 is what I've got my money on. | 00:37 |
| milhouse | pc_speaker: n900 - successor to the N8x0 (N900 is a working title)... x86? doubtful unless Nokia start using x86 in volume in their smartphones | 00:37 |
| pc_speaker | nano-Itx from VIA? | 00:37 |
| blahdeblahN800 | GeneralAntilles: and do what instead? | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | built-in LCD controller can do 1024x768 | 00:37 |
| pc_speaker | If they won't user x86 they will fail. | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | blahdeblahN800, you complained that it was slow, so turn it off! | 00:37 |
| pc_speaker | To other MID devices. | 00:37 |
| pc_speaker | I love my n800 :) | 00:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | x86 is still a big power hog in the mobile space | 00:38 |
| blahdeblahN800 | then i can't write! | 00:38 |
| pc_speaker | Never turnedit off... | 00:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles gives up. | 00:38 | |
| pc_speaker | Yes, but intel is working in this. | 00:38 |
| milhouse | pc_speaker - don't agree with you on x86. The processor choice won't be the downfall of Nokia Internet Tablets, plenty of other factors to choose from first! ;) | 00:38 |
| pc_speaker | So "built-in LCD controller can do 1024x768"? | 00:39 |
| pc_speaker | Why they decided to use other one? | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | With OMAP3430 | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because it didn't exist in 2006. | 00:39 |
| pc_speaker | We need to invent time machine faster. | 00:39 |
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| jott | juergbi: svn does not compile (with "--enable-vapigen --enable-gen-project"): i get "No rule to make target `valaprojectgenerator.c', needed by `valaprojectgenerator.o'. Stop." | 00:42 |
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| svu | could anyone please tell me how to switch layouts on n810? | 00:43 |
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| juergbi | jott: hm, works fine here, will recheck with a clean build | 00:44 |
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| Tama-rro | layouts? | 00:45 |
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| Tama-rro | you mean themes? :) | 00:45 |
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| juergbi | Tama-rro: keyboard layouts | 00:46 |
| Tama-rro | ah, I see | 00:47 |
| juergbi | jott: still works fine here | 00:48 |
| juergbi | (even parallel build) | 00:48 |
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| jott | juergbi: with --enable-gen-project? (what automake/reconf version?) | 00:49 |
| jott | i'll do another clean build on my host | 00:49 |
| juergbi | ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --enable-vapigen --enable-gen-project | 00:49 |
| juergbi | using system installed vala 0.1.5 | 00:50 |
| juergbi | most current stable releases of autotools | 00:50 |
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| hachi | okay, do I have a bad nokia 810 here? | 00:54 |
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| hachi | I just had it reboot on its own | 00:54 |
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| hachi | I think I've had every app crash as well | 00:54 |
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| pc_speaker | My n800 self-rebooted few times I think :) | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hardware resets happen if a major process crashes. | 00:55 |
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| hachi | it's got to be the email client... dangit | 00:55 |
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| pc_speaker | BTW where is this webkit based browser promised long time ago? | 00:57 |
| pc_speaker | Just want to try. | 00:57 |
| pc_speaker | Maybe it will be more lightweight... | 00:57 |
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| pc_speaker | http://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/08/07/webkit-maemo-port-n800-and-the-eal/ | 00:58 |
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| fysa | anyone messed with esd and maemo? | 01:02 |
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| fysa | I'd like to play from media player toward an esd running on the OS2008 device, so I can connect to a stream of what the device is listening to. | 01:03 |
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| fysa | esddsp? | 01:05 |
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| fysa | -ao esd:192.168.1.1 | 01:07 |
| fysa | export ESPEAKER=192.168.1.1&&amarok %U | 01:07 |
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| fysa | mplayer -ao esd,alsa:default %s | 01:11 |
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| Sho_ | maemo.org seems to be hosted on an N770 again today. | 01:37 |
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| hachi | I wonder if running perlbal on an n810 would be feasable | 01:49 |
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| Delio | Hola | 01:59 |
| Delio | Question: I am looking for the source of 'icd' (connection daemon) is it available or not? (I cannot seem to find it) | 02:00 |
| Delio | ok I found the answer, it is not open sourced | 02:01 |
| Delio | >.< | 02:01 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: you there? | 02:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sadly, yes. :P | 02:03 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: you have "/usr/lib/hildon-desktop/advanced-backlight.so", right? | 02:03 |
| rm_you | like, that's where it is? | 02:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If that's where your install.sh put it, then yes. | 02:03 |
| rm_you | today, all the sudden, it is acting very odd for me when i want to test changes... | 02:03 |
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| rm_you | i replaced that file with the new one, and it didn't take the changes... | 02:04 |
| rm_you | like, it was using the old one, even when i disabled/enabled it a few times | 02:04 |
| rm_you | so i removed the .so entirely | 02:04 |
| rm_you | and it still works >_> | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 02:05 |
| rm_you | so i renamed it to advanced-backlight-test.so and changed the .desktop to point to that | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe it eats .so's like a chipmunk | 02:05 |
| rm_you | and it won't load either the old or new one >_< | 02:05 |
| cizarro | they normally eat something else than .so's? | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha . . . time to reflash. :P | 02:05 |
| cizarro | more food for chipmunks? | 02:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you're saving starving chipmunks. | 02:06 |
| giskard | guys why i get 401 from repo.mameo.org? | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | akamai is buggered | 02:06 |
| rm_you | whew, reboot fixed it | 02:07 |
| * cizarro calls the chipmunks | 02:07 | |
| rm_you | i just hate rebooting cause i have to redo all my network crap >_> which takes like 10 minutes | 02:07 |
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| shackan | write a script.. | 02:08 |
| rm_you | windoze <_ | 02:10 |
| rm_you | <_< | 02:10 |
| shackan | haha | 02:11 |
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| rm_you | i'm running via windows internet sharing over an ad-hoc wireless connection >_< it's icky. every single time the device connects ONCE, i have to clear the entire setup and start over again, or windows won't actually run any of the correct things on the next connect | 02:11 |
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| rm_you | IE, dhcp, and whatever it uses for routing | 02:12 |
| rm_you | it's basically the worst network setup ever | 02:12 |
| shackan | mmm, last week I had to use windows and tried to setup adhoc networking to use the tablet a second | 02:13 |
| shackan | apparently I didn't try hard enough, since after 20 minutes it still wouldn't work | 02:13 |
| rm_you | it's VERY... tricky | 02:14 |
| rm_you | and retarded | 02:14 |
| shackan | definitely | 02:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | . . . WHY, rm_you? :P | 02:18 |
| rm_you | no wireless router :( | 02:18 |
| rm_you | my WRT-300N is in another state >_> | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pick up a cheap Buffalo | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | DD-WRT, etc. | 02:19 |
| rm_you | yeah | 02:20 |
| rm_you | i used to have TWO WRT-54Gs running openwrt / wrt-X | 02:20 |
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| rm_you | they left me for another man :( | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 02:20 |
| rm_you | i guess I wasn't good enough... or didn't pay them enough attention... i don't really know :( | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got a couple early-gen WRT-54Gs and a WHR-G125 covering my parents' house. | 02:21 |
| rm_you | yeah, my main WRT went to my former roommate, and my other WRT went to my father's apartment | 02:22 |
| rm_you | weird... the plugin was crashing my UI, so i commented out the four lines i thought were causing it... and no crash, ok... so i uncommented them one at a time... and no crashes all the way through... and now it's back to what it was before, and no crashes >_< | 02:27 |
| rm_you | i *hate* inconsistency | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It sounds like you still have too much suck. | 02:28 |
| rm_you | there's like an AURA of suck hovering around me >_> | 02:28 |
| rm_you | I need to go get some Suck-be-Gone (tm) | 02:29 |
| Andy80 | does anyone of you use python-bluetooth library? | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should go fight some ninjas in a pirate costume or something. | 02:30 |
| Sho_ | the "The power on/off enigma.." 17 page thread over at ITT is very confidence-inspiring, too .. | 02:32 |
| shackan | Andy80: is it just a python stub to the bluez dbus api ? | 02:32 |
| Andy80 | shackan: I think so... anyway the library is this: http://org.csail.mit.edu/pybluez/docs.html | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sho_, I'm still blaming that one on the n00bs. :P | 02:34 |
| Andy80 | shackan: the problem is.... look this simple script: http://org.csail.mit.edu/pybluez/examples-0.7/inquiry.txt it replies "found 0 devices" even if there are two devices with bluetooth on and visible by all. | 02:34 |
| shackan | Andy80: oh, but there's documentation :P | 02:34 |
| shackan | mmm | 02:35 |
| Sho_ | GeneralAntilles: How so? | 02:35 |
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| shackan | Andy80: this is on the device ? | 02:35 |
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| Andy80 | yes | 02:36 |
| shackan | Andy80: dumb question, is the bluetooth interface up? | 02:36 |
| Andy80 | I've just modified the script. If I do: devices = bluetooth.discover_devices(lookup_names = False), it's able to find 2 devices | 02:37 |
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| shackan | mmm, I don't remember what protocol is used for name resolution | 02:38 |
| Andy80 | to speak shortly: it looks like name resolution doesn't work fine | 02:38 |
| shackan | exactly | 02:38 |
| shackan | I don't remember if names are resolved over SDP or not | 02:39 |
| shackan | anyway, pybluez shouldn't be needed at all since there's a dbus api | 02:39 |
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| shackan | unless pybluez just calls into this api underneath | 02:39 |
| shackan | (which wasn't the case when Huang wrote it) | 02:40 |
| Andy80 | you mean I haven't to use that lib? | 02:40 |
| shackan | I think bluez.org has python examples which use dbus directly without other libraries | 02:40 |
| shackan | of course that may not be what you want | 02:41 |
| Andy80 | I found the link to that code in this page: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation.html#components | 02:41 |
| shackan | http://wiki.bluez.org/#BlueZD-BusPythonAPI | 02:41 |
| acydlord | man, hopefully nokia will get some n810s and the discount working in the us store within a week or 2 | 02:42 |
| lcuk | i thought the US was all sorted before anyone else (paid full price for mine tho, so wasnt waiting for devine intervention) | 02:43 |
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| shackan | Andy80: looked at it? | 02:43 |
| acydlord | when i tried my code before it didnt work | 02:43 |
| acydlord | and the us store has been out of stock for about 3 weeks now | 02:43 |
| lcuk | :( acyd | 02:43 |
| Andy80 | shackan: yes, that link brign me to this page http://org.csail.mit.edu/pybluez/docs.html :) | 02:43 |
| Andy80 | shackan: for this reason I did think it was a working example | 02:44 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 02:44 |
| acydlord | nokia is probably being greedy and waiting for the dev program to end before tey restock | 02:44 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: i think it works for non-modified kernels | 02:44 |
| lcuk | ello rm | 02:44 |
| rm_you | !!! :P | 02:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sweet | 02:44 |
| rm_you | lcuk: sup :P | 02:44 |
| lcuk | :O rm - are u on about what i think you are on about | 02:44 |
| rm_you | now i need someone who DIDN'T help me test last time | 02:44 |
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| * lcuk wears sunglasses at night still | 02:44 | |
| rm_you | IE, has an unmodified kernel | 02:44 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:44 |
| shackan | Andy80: what link? I said http://wiki.bluez.org/#BlueZD-BusPythonAPI and it's not a csail link | 02:44 |
| lcuk | i was just gonna say | 02:44 |
| rm_you | lcuk: well, yes you can help me test :P | 02:44 |
| lcuk | i finally got root sorted | 02:45 |
| rm_you | give me a sec to package this a little bit | 02:45 |
| lcuk | and know how to do more | 02:45 |
| * lcuk is a ninja in training | 02:45 | |
| * lcuk will mess his box up soon tho :S | 02:45 | |
| Andy80 | oh wait... | 02:45 |
| lcuk | i found out how to get pressure data direct from python without extra libraries :) | 02:46 |
| * lcuk is relieved at that | 02:46 | |
| lcuk | rm - if you upload a new version i will test for you | 02:47 |
| acydlord | hmm, apparently i got a link for the nokia US shop thismorning | 02:47 |
| acydlord | around the time my mail server crashed | 02:47 |
| lcuk | they sent you 4gazzilion links to make sure you got it ;) | 02:48 |
| acydlord | and my code isnt working | 02:49 |
| lcuk | thats not good | 02:49 |
| Sho_ | GeneralAntilles: What did you mean about being n00bish being the cause, btw? | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't buy that all of the power issues aren't user-related. | 02:50 |
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| lcuk | gen - power issues? i hope you aren't meaning 810 draining almost instantly | 02:50 |
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| Sho_ | GeneralAntilles: Well, I don't get the impression that it's user-related from the threads | 02:51 |
| florian | good night | 02:52 |
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| Sho_ | GeneralAntilles: Or, if the software is so fragile that for such a large number of people it's possible to easily wind up in the same cul-de-sac of not being able to turn on the device without waiting ten minutes after shutting it down, there's a systemic problem that they're not to blame for, IMHO | 02:52 |
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| giskard | guys why all repo give me a 401 unauthorized? | 03:01 |
| mazzen | hm.... sry, but... does anyone knows what i have to do, that the media player on the n810 starts to play one of those song which are shipped with the nokia? i always get "nothing to play" when i press on the play button. | 03:01 |
| giskard | mazzen, i got the same problem | 03:02 |
| giskard | i fixed it using the en locale and not the italian | 03:02 |
| mazzen | giskard: thats strange! | 03:02 |
| mazzen | huh!? | 03:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the akamai mirror. | 03:02 |
| giskard | i'm from italy | 03:02 |
| Delio | where in italy? :P | 03:03 |
| giskard | milano | 03:03 |
| Delio | :) I'm from Bergamo, but live in New Zealand now :P | 03:04 |
| giskard | pota | 03:04 |
| lcuk | rm_you, you ready for a test, ive got a sleep cycle coming soon | 03:04 |
| Delio | lol | 03:04 |
| mazzen | ok, then i have to confess that i'm from germany. but it is not so bad :) | 03:04 |
| rm_you | lcuk: hang on like 5 minutes so i can finish this install script | 03:04 |
| lcuk | lol okies | 03:05 |
| * lcuk does more python | 03:05 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got a couple more guinea pigs I can throw at it, rm_you. | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sho_, it seems very unlikely that it's a software thing, as I haven't had a single problem with my N800 and neither of my three friends has had problems. | 03:06 |
| Delio | locale affecting media playback, weird things you see these days.. :) | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/single problem/single power problem | 03:06 |
| Sho_ | GeneralAntilles: Well, if it's not a software thing it's a hardware thing, and then it's surely not n00b-related | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still think some people are confused about the charger and booting | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | as that can make things a little weird at times. | 03:07 |
| Sho_ | GeneralAntilles: They're only talking about the charger as it relates (or doesn't) to fixing their core problem, though - they power off the device, and cannot switch it on again without waiting from 10 to 30 minutes. It sure sounds like there's something during shutdown that doesn't get done properly and when the RTC battery is drained and the device is really fully "off", then it will start again. | 03:08 |
| Sho_ | GeneralAntilles: And sure, there's n00bs in that thread, but also a number of competent people with the same problem | 03:09 |
| rm_you | OK! | 03:14 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight-0.4.tar.gz | 03:14 |
| rm_you | try it with an unmodified kernel | 03:14 |
| rm_you | it is a little bit laggier than the mod version, but it should work fine | 03:14 |
| rm_you | i'm cheating >_> | 03:14 |
| rm_you | which is ok for now but will probably want to change maybe at some point to increase speed :/ | 03:15 |
| rm_you | also, it *probably* has at least one small memory leak, as I'm not used to C so i'm not sure if I need to be deleting certain things | 03:15 |
| rm_you | If anyone here is good with C memory management and wants to look at my fairly simple program and tell me if/where I forgot to free memory, the source is here: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight-0.4-src.tar.gz | 03:16 |
| rm_you | I would appreciate it very much :) | 03:16 |
| rm_you | lcuk: go ahead and try that :) | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm prodding my guinea pigs over here. | 03:16 |
| rm_you | lol k | 03:16 |
| rm_you | who/what would those be? :P | 03:17 |
| lcuk | rm okies :) | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | N00bs I know with N800s. ;) | 03:18 |
| mazzen | giskard: thanks for that hint. it works know. | 03:18 |
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| * elb notices the marks of a scarred C++ or Java programmer | 03:19 | |
| giskard | mazzen, yes. but this is a bug | 03:19 |
| giskard | and.. | 03:19 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:19 |
| giskard | i can't install any packages. | 03:19 |
| giskard | dunno why i have a broken apt | 03:19 |
| mazzen | huh? | 03:19 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: oh hey | 03:19 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: second bootup with the UNSIZED nokia logo from that thread, and it works fine | 03:20 |
| rm_you | first time it didn't | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 03:20 |
| mazzen | aehm... guess this time a lot of thinks didn't work out well at nokia | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I changed mine after the first boot thinking it was corrupted or something. | 03:20 |
| rm_you | i think you said you had to resize it or summat, but i didn't | 03:20 |
| rm_you | heh yeah | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I was wrong. | 03:20 |
| giskard | i get 401 to all reopo | 03:20 |
| giskard | repo | 03:20 |
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| giskard | from all | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | akamai mirror is messed up, giskard. | 03:20 |
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| giskard | GeneralAntilles, | 03:21 |
| giskard | ah ok | 03:21 |
| giskard | so it's not my fault if i have 12 installable application and no-one can be installed | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe try and force it to use: 81.52.133.152 | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, giskard. | 03:21 |
| giskard | how? if /etc/apt/sources.list is ?empty? and with what app? | 03:22 |
| Delio | and when are they going to drop akamai? | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 03:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, Delio, the idea was to ADD akamai to prevent downtime issues | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | but I guess that plan went out the airlock. | 03:23 |
| elb | rm_you: newfile and oldfile being static arrays of 66 characters is suspicious | 03:23 |
| giskard | GeneralAntilles, with what app? | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | vi | 03:23 |
| lcuk | arghhhhhhhhhhh | 03:23 |
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| giskard | uhm.. it's installed by default? | 03:23 |
| rm_you | elb: they are VERY exact length strings | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | sources.list.d is a directory | 03:23 |
| giskard | i know | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | On, like, every unix system on the planet | 03:23 |
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| elb | rm_you: I also note that newfile is only ever used in a local fashion, so it need not be global | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | but if you're not familiar with it, you're gonna have some trouble. | 03:24 |
| rm_you | elb: that is ok, right? | 03:24 |
| rm_you | elb: err, yes I will fix that, dur :P thanks for pointing it out | 03:24 |
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| elb | rm_you: they may be *now* -- but if those files move, then someone could well change the strings and start getting crashes for reasons they don't immediately notice | 03:24 |
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| rm_you | ok... how would you recommend i do it? I'm *horrible* with calloc/malloc :/ I'm a Java programmer, not a C programmer :( | 03:25 |
| elb | rm_you: it's generally a good idea to make static buffers large enough for all contingencies (e.g., MAXPATH), or use dynamic buffers; on very small embedded devices or in very rigid environments violating this is OK, but Hildon is a bit less constrained than that | 03:25 |
| lcuk | rm - installed vis ssh, old version still existed, clicked the icon and a window appeared to maximise but it minimised my other term window and appears to have messed up hildon | 03:25 |
| giskard | instead of catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com what should i use? 81.52.133.152 | 03:25 |
| elb | I can tell you're a java programmer by all the meaningless comments ;-) | 03:25 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:25 |
| lcuk | actually, not messed up, just closed itseldf | 03:25 |
| rm_you | I was trying to be thorough so even a n00b like me could understand :P | 03:25 |
| lcuk | and it minimised everything so the titlebars all moved | 03:26 |
| elb | rm_you: I'd use g_strdup() and just make them allocated strings; the only thing is, when you do strncpy(oldfile,newfile,66), you'll do g_free(oldfile); oldfile = newfile; instead | 03:26 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yeah, try unloading/loading it again like three times or so | 03:26 |
| rm_you | it does that the first couple times for no reason i can figure out | 03:26 |
| lcuk | it took out my cpu monitor thing | 03:26 |
| elb | rm_you: generally speaking, you don't want to comment a line if the comment says basically the same thing the line says, only in prose | 03:26 |
| elb | rm_you: it just makes it harder to read, because of the noise | 03:26 |
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| lcuk | comments are best when they give an overview without doing the actual work | 03:27 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yeah, it restored the statusbar to factory, but when you disable my plugin, it will come back | 03:27 |
| lcuk | :O | 03:27 |
| rm_you | and then try enabling it again | 03:27 |
| lcuk | but i use that | 03:27 |
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| rm_you | when it *works* it won't do that | 03:27 |
| rm_you | i'm still not sure WHY it does that the first time or two :/ | 03:27 |
| lcuk | lol i know im only jokin | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's called "crashing the desktop" | 03:28 |
| lcuk | i backed up last night | 03:28 |
| lcuk | im shocked - i moved from windows to get rid of explorer.exe restarting and doing this ;) | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Restart will restore everything | 03:28 |
| elb | rm_you: you *might* have a leak with the gtk_button_set_image and gtk_image_new_from_file, but I'm not sure -- I'd have to read the GtkImage docs | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a "feature" | 03:28 |
| lcuk | after hearing about all these restart problems i aint ever turning this bitch off again... | 03:28 |
| rm_you | elb: hrm, ok | 03:28 |
| elb | rm_you: you're probably OK, it's refcounted, but I'd check the docs to make sure :-) | 03:29 |
| rm_you | elb: as long as I don't use malloc/calloc, and just do static sized arrays, i don't have to free anything, right? | 03:29 |
| rm_you | :P | 03:29 |
| elb | rm_you: well ... unless you use Gtk/etc. functinos which allocate memory | 03:30 |
| lcuk | :O i have fadiness | 03:30 |
| elb | but so far, other than that Gtkimage, I've not seen anything | 03:30 |
| elb | yeah, you look OK to me | 03:30 |
| rm_you | good :) | 03:30 |
| elb | how frequently can that system() be called? | 03:31 |
| lcuk | now, is this fading just "now" as in not changing defaults? | 03:31 |
| elb | is it called as the user drags the slider around? | 03:31 |
| rm_you | i thought about removing some of those comments, but i hate to REMOVE information :/ | 03:31 |
| rm_you | elb: yes | 03:31 |
| elb | if so, you might want to put in some hysteresis -- system() is kind of expensive | 03:31 |
| rm_you | elb: yes, it is fairly laggy when i drag back and forth | 03:31 |
| elb | (like, only call system() if it's been n ms since the last update) | 03:31 |
| elb | (I realize that means mucking with timers and stuff, but ...) | 03:32 |
| rm_you | elb: but in the future it should be doing the stuff internally, not with a call to another program | 03:32 |
| rm_you | i just have to figure out how to do it :P | 03:32 |
| rm_you | i have some test socket code, but it doesn't work :/ | 03:32 |
| lcuk | rm - look at the range update policy | 03:32 |
| lcuk | UPDATE_DELAYED | 03:32 |
| lcuk | The "value_changed" signal is emitted when the user releases the mouse button, or if the slider stops moving for a short period of time. | 03:32 |
| rm_you | hrm k | 03:32 |
| lcuk | its a halfway house :) | 03:33 |
| giskard | GeneralAntilles, i have to switch in rd mode for edit this file right? | 03:33 |
| elb | rm_you: ahh, that'll speed things up considerably | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not, just install becomeroot. | 03:33 |
| giskard | GeneralAntilles, if i do sudo vi blablabla. i get user user is not allowed | 03:34 |
| giskard | how can i install it? | 03:34 |
| giskard | if i do sudo gainroot i have to be in rd mdoe | 03:34 |
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| giskard | ok | 03:34 |
| rm_you | elb: yes. ..... .... do you know much about sockets / dsme? :P | 03:34 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | sudo gainroot | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | vi /whatever | 03:35 |
| lcuk | rm_you, is this scroller is changing just the "current" setting for now? | 03:35 |
| giskard | sudo gainroot is doable only in rd mode | 03:35 |
| giskard | try to get this file | 03:35 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yes | 03:35 |
| elb | rm_you: sockets, yes, dsme, I don't even know what that means :-) | 03:35 |
| lcuk | :) | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | You have to install becomeroot first, giskard | 03:36 |
| rm_you | The water passed my head a few days ago, and at this point, if I look up I can barely see the surface. >_> | 03:36 |
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| rm_you | I've taken pretty much every class in the CompSci department at this point, and they never covered anything even CLOSE to the stuff I've been doing in the last two days >_< | 03:37 |
| lcuk | rm - my system lighting now has no difference between first notch and second | 03:37 |
| lcuk | lol rm - i know how you feel | 03:37 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yeah... disable the standard applet and just use mine :/ | 03:37 |
| rm_you | it's useless anyway | 03:37 |
| lcuk | lol - i was comparing and seeing it it goes dimmer | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, I'm loading the stock kernel. | 03:38 |
| rm_you | heh k | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't feel liking explaining scp to my guinea pigs. | 03:38 |
| lcuk | i can get the backlight fully off - only working with transreflective | 03:38 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:38 |
| rm_you | lcuk: heh you are on n810? | 03:38 |
| * lcuk has installed scp | 03:38 | |
| * lcuk is editing python now on windows and auto uploading to device for quick testing | 03:38 | |
| rm_you | I finally did put a check in to make sure you can't turn it entirely off on an n800, only n810 | 03:38 |
| lcuk | yer | 03:39 |
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| rm_you | good to know it WILL turn off on n810, as I can't test without one :P | 03:39 |
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| rm_you | and the icon is updating correctly? :P | 03:39 |
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| rm_you | hrm... how do I get at the GtkRange inside the GtkHScale? >_> | 03:39 |
| rm_you | I need to do gtk_range_set_update_policy on it | 03:40 |
| giskard | uff | 03:40 |
| giskard | now in normal mode it doesn't wont connect to my wifi ad.hoc net..only in rd mode? permissions are changed? | 03:40 |
| rm_you | elb: thanks for the help, BTW :P | 03:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | One reboot reloads them, rm_you? | 03:41 |
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| elb | rm_you: CS classes are like that, by the way | 03:41 |
| elb | rm_you: CS classes teach you how to learn, and where to begin -- the real world is a very different thing, but in a good program it's at least prepared you :-) | 03:41 |
| thoughtfix | Hi! | 03:42 |
| lcuk | rm - its subclassed, cant you just call it | 03:42 |
| thoughtfix | What'd I miss? | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, thoughtfix. | 03:42 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: I just open the panels thing, disable it, click ok, open panels again, enable it, click ok | 03:42 |
| rm_you | and that reloads it | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you is just putting together an awesome new brightness applet. | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 03:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just gonna load the stock kernel | 03:42 |
| rm_you | kk | 03:42 |
| lcuk | rm - i think you could make your install script disable the old one first | 03:42 |
| lcuk | which might explain the first time crash | 03:43 |
| rm_you | err, yes i could :/ | 03:43 |
| rm_you | i should do that | 03:43 |
| rm_you | just remove the desktop file and it will go away | 03:43 |
| lcuk | does that stop it running? | 03:43 |
| rm_you | yes | 03:43 |
| lcuk | kill -9 in this os? | 03:43 |
| * lcuk wants to kill things | 03:43 | |
| rm_you | i can't kill it, because it runs as a sub-thing of maemo-launcher | 03:44 |
| lcuk | you can swear if you want - i know you wanted to say dll :P | 03:44 |
| rm_you | but removing the .desktop unloads it | 03:44 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:44 |
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| lcuk | have you figured out enough to make it open the control panel "display" applet? or have you not looked | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, seems to work fine over here. | 03:45 |
| lcuk | i ask because i use that to change policy every now and then | 03:45 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: like the second menu option in the main display applet? | 03:46 |
| rm_you | lcuk: i could probably do it | 03:46 |
| lcuk | actually now i did it its less used nm | 03:46 |
| rm_you | i was going to set it up actually... as soon as I figure out how to put my HildonControlbar into a nice little popup like the original display applet, instead of this goddamned window | 03:46 |
| lcuk | once i got it right i havent played since - but ive been in and out of the network one a lot tonight | 03:47 |
| unique311 | wtf, | 03:47 |
| unique311 | http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/beta/ | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | How many containers are there you can try, rm_you? | 03:47 |
| unique311 | see the requirements for skype with video for linux | 03:47 |
| rm_you | like two >_> | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | You ought to just start going through one-by-one. | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, and neither work? | 03:47 |
| ds3 | HID bluetooth keyboard is nice | 03:47 |
| ds3 | (on os2008) | 03:47 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: well, take a look at what i've got: http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/ | 03:47 |
| rm_you | and of course, the gtk ones: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/index.html | 03:48 |
| rm_you | in Hildon, i have... Window :/ | 03:48 |
| rm_you | I thought maybe Banner, but it won't let me put it in there :/ | 03:48 |
| rm_you | I *think* theirs use a GtkMenu | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | What happens when you use that? | 03:49 |
| rm_you | but to get a HildonControlbar into a GtkMenuItem, I have to put it in a GtkHBox, which is fine, but then i put that into the MenuItem and that into the Menu | 03:49 |
| rm_you | and what happens is that I SEE it there, in the menu, all nice... | 03:49 |
| rm_you | but if I click on it, it *selects* it like a menu option, and closes the menu | 03:50 |
| rm_you | it isn't *usable* | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Start at the top and work your way down. | 03:50 |
| lcuk | cant you disable the events from triggering on the menu once you get hold of it | 03:50 |
| rm_you | lcuk: i thought so, and i tried | 03:50 |
| lcuk | lol | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Start with Quim. | 03:50 |
| rm_you | it didn't work for me tho... maybe i just did it wrong? | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Gimme the source, or I'll eat your parents!" | 03:51 |
| rm_you | lol? | 03:51 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight-0.4-src.tar.gz | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, no, no. | 03:52 |
| rm_you | lol | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's your e-mail to Quim. :P | 03:52 |
| rm_you | heh | 03:52 |
| rm_you | I lose at knowing who Quim is :( | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mr. maemo | 03:52 |
| rm_you | lol nice | 03:52 |
| rm_you | yeah, i don't see why the source for that isn't public | 03:53 |
| rm_you | it CHANGES THE BRIGHTNESS >_< | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | One wonders | 03:53 |
| rm_you | Is anyone here a GTK ninja? :P | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think it still goes back to Nokia not actually wanting maemo to succeed. | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there a #hildon? | 03:54 |
| rm_you | I will paypal you $10 if you can tell me how to sucessfully get my HildonControlbar into a menu-looking thing like the original Nokia brightness app :P | 03:54 |
| rm_you | OH durr, yeah ok i get it now, GtkHScale *is* a GtkRange >_> i hate my life | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:57 |
| rm_you | it's taking forever for this Gtk object hierarchy to sink in | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to re-work the maemo (and related devices) wiki pages. | 03:58 |
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| lcuk | i need sleep - rm - ill let you know tomorrow if its dimmer than it was - finishing Foundation series | 04:06 |
| lophyte | hey all.. is xchat available for os2008? | 04:07 |
| Delio | yes | 04:07 |
| Delio | xchat is available | 04:07 |
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| Delio | http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 04:07 |
| lcuk | rm_you, ill also look at hildon windows at toolbars tomorrow and see if anything is jumping out | 04:08 |
| lophyte | ah, there it is | 04:08 |
| lophyte | thanks | 04:08 |
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| giskard | GeneralAntilles, if i force that ipaddress i get a 400 bad request | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, then. | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait it out. | 04:10 |
| giskard | yes | 04:10 |
| giskard | will wait | 04:10 |
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| lophyte | just flashed os2008 on my n800... its so much nicer looking and more responsive | 04:11 |
| rm_you | hrm ok well, i need to head out | 04:11 |
| rm_you | so i will be back :P | 04:11 |
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| Delio | giskard: "Locale and language change is communicated through environment variables. As applications and their libraries also cache locale state (messages etc), changing this to use e.g. Gconf wouldn't help. Therefore changing the device locale or language requires restarting all applications and processes involved in application invocation." | 04:15 |
| Delio | if it is of any help... | 04:15 |
| giskard | Delio, nah | 04:15 |
| giskard | i re-fleshed the n810 and not seems work even with the it_locale | 04:16 |
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| thefool | does anyone here use maemo mapper? | 04:38 |
| thefool | I can't figure out how to use route points as a destination for my routes...it is quite annoying | 04:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to think up a heading for a category filed with thinks like: BlueZ, E-D-S, Telepathy, Avahi, GStreamer, Matchbox, GConf, GnomeVFS? | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reworking the software stack table on wiki. | 04:42 |
| thefool | Connectivity...but then people would be thinking phone/wifi... | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Connectivity/Services? | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Matchbox doesn't really work for that | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | but whatever. | 04:44 |
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| thefool | that sounds good I guess | 04:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | If somebody wants to fix it up, they're more than welcome to. | 04:47 |
| thefool | Darn it, I can't figure out how to add a route point as a destination in maemo mapper. This is trully driving me nuts. And it seems my google-fu is weak | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tap-n-hold on the point? | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Navigate to here" | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or somesuch. | 04:48 |
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| DuneSandWorm | I am trying to intall the sdk on cygwin, but am havinng trouble setting up deb on it, root is ok scratchbox installed ok, but cannot execute the binaries, I give up, Ill just vnc to my deb box. easier.. cygwin is succh a pain | 04:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody have a screenshot of the default OS2006 desktop? | 04:51 |
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| thefool | well that sure was simple enough thanks | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or OS2007 for that matter. | 04:52 |
| cizarro | GeneralAntilles, what about 'components' or 'sw components'? | 04:52 |
| cizarro | or sw services maybe. | 04:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Components/Services? | 04:53 |
| cizarro | sounds ok | 04:53 |
| cizarro | much better than connectivity, since a lot of piece have nothing to do with that. | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, table's kinda there | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | now I need some meat for the article. <_< | 04:54 |
| cizarro | here? | 04:54 |
| thefool | does POI downloading work yet? I have never actually seen it work | 04:54 |
| * cizarro looks around him | 04:54 | |
| DuneSandWorm | just upgraded the 770 to 2007, should be some stock photos on google.. here .. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/05/17/nokiaN770_wideweb__470x278,0.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.theage.com.au/news/phones--pdas/nokia-to-announce-upgraded-770-tablet/2006/05/16/1147545282158.html&h=278&w=470&sz=24&hl=en&start=13&um=1&tbnid=476yBgVt2y2O-M:&tbnh=76&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dn770%26svnum%3D10%26 | 04:54 |
| DuneSandWorm | um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26client%3Dms-nokia-wifi%26sa%3DG | 04:54 |
| hachi | uhm | 04:54 |
| hachi | yow? | 04:54 |
| DuneSandWorm | woops | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want a screenshot. | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | They've got OS2005 on there | 04:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | be kinda cool to have the whole evolution in 4 frames. | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got the devices to take the shots myself, but not the patience. | 04:55 |
| thefool | lol | 04:55 |
| cizarro | you could outsource it | 04:55 |
| cizarro | ask someone on the mailing list to do it :-) | 04:56 |
| cizarro | at least it would be a fun change to all the "my code still doesn't work"-emails | 04:56 |
| * cizarro looks for another movie to watch | 04:57 | |
| cizarro | although I should probably be going to bed instead.. | 04:57 |
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| thefool | ah it seems the problem is there is no longer a cgi script at gnuite.com/cgi-bin/poi.cgi | 05:05 |
| thefool | I guess it was too much for his servers or something | 05:06 |
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| penguinbait | anyone know if you have to pay taxes on donations from paypal | 05:30 |
| penguinbait | ? | 05:30 |
| penguinbait | in usa anyway :) | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not as long as it's under a certain limit | 05:31 |
| elb | that question is nonsensical | 05:31 |
| elb | it doesn't matter the manner in which you receive "donations" (or any other income) | 05:31 |
| elb | only the amount of the income, and the status of the recipient | 05:32 |
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| penguinbait | so its income | 05:32 |
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| Esworp | Burrrrrpp! | 05:41 |
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| acydlord | it's taxable unless you are registered as a NPO | 05:52 |
| acydlord | all the information is on paypal now | 05:52 |
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| rm_you|n800 | hrm | 07:15 |
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| johnx | rm_you, hrm? | 07:16 |
| rm_you|n800 | i guess one nice thing about having a remote buildbox is that i can use it no matter where i am with no extra setup ;p | 07:17 |
| johnx | yes, and compiling big things doesn't slow down your desktop | 07:17 |
| johnx | I have a "remote buildbox" ... except that it's a 416MHz XScale w/ 64MB of RAM | 07:18 |
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| johnx | rm_you|n800, ask me about my debian chroot on my N800 :D | 07:23 |
| acydlord | lol, mine is a 500mhz celeron with 256mb of ram | 07:23 |
| johnx | acydlord, well the important aspect of mine is that I don't have to cross compile | 07:24 |
| johnx | native armel eabi FTW | 07:24 |
| acydlord | i use mine to compile for more than arm procs | 07:25 |
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| johnx | I have different build boxes for other stuff | 07:27 |
| dragorn | i just threw it in a vmware on my build system | 07:27 |
| johnx | dragorn, vmware emulates ARM? | 07:28 |
| dragorn | no, but scratchbox does | 07:28 |
| johnx | I'm not using scratchbox | 07:28 |
| johnx | I'm decided to just start compiling natively on a debian armel chroot | 07:29 |
| zoran | crosscompile? | 07:29 |
| dragorn | I've yet to encounter a problem with crosscompiling so I don't see the advantage. And I'm not, yet, so masochistic as to want to write code on the 810 :P | 07:30 |
| * dragorn wrote code on a palm pilot, that was enough torture | 07:30 | |
| zoran | gcc is concidered stubborn on some cases | 07:30 |
| johnx | dragorn, that's what ssh is for | 07:30 |
| K-Fox | hi | 07:30 |
| ds3 | a Zaurus C3200/C3100 is a better dev. platform then the 810/800 | 07:31 |
| zoran | dead | 07:31 |
| johnx | ds3, mine's a C1000 | 07:31 |
| ds3 | a local hard drive is rather useful for compiling | 07:31 |
| K-Fox | is it possible to listem in http://www.last.fm on n810 | 07:31 |
| ds3 | johnx: does that one have hte microdrive? | 07:31 |
| johnx | ds3, no micro drive | 07:31 |
| johnx | I compile on a USB stick | 07:31 |
| johnx | K-Fox, look for vagalume | 07:32 |
| ds3 | johnx: I was thinking more of having a swap device; you can swap to flash but that can be a lot of wear | 07:32 |
| johnx | ds3, my sd card has a lifetime warrany | 07:33 |
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| johnx | if they didn't want me to swap to it it would have said on the box :D | 07:33 |
| ds3 | but then again, I suppose it is possible to use a USB to IDE device and have a hard drive on the 8x0 | 07:33 |
| K-Fox | vagalume? | 07:33 |
| ds3 | johnx: =) | 07:33 |
| johnx | vagalume = last.fm client | 07:33 |
| K-Fox | oh good | 07:33 |
| K-Fox | really? | 07:33 |
| K-Fox | thanks ~~ | 07:34 |
| ds3 | johnx: wouldn't the price of postage negate the value of the lifetime warrantee? | 07:34 |
| zoran | ds3, some lag should be expected with so remote hdd | 07:34 |
| johnx | ds3, it didn't last time | 07:34 |
| johnx | it might not be worth it this time | 07:35 |
| ds3 | I would think shipping is around $2-$3 | 07:35 |
| johnx | next time I'll just put it in a plain envelope though and if it doesn't get there then meh | 07:35 |
| ds3 | haha | 07:35 |
| ds3 | zoran: it is better then Swap over NFS via bluetooth ;) | 07:35 |
| zoran | or swap partition on memory card | 07:36 |
| ds3 | actually a NSLU2 might be even better | 07:36 |
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| user_ | i guess one nice thing about having a remote buildbox is that i can use it no matter where i am with no extra setup ;p | 07:36 |
| zoran | I thought about snlu2 recently | 07:36 |
| ds3 | thesedays, how does writing to SD or CF compare to writing to a microdrive? | 07:36 |
| zoran | *nslu2 | 07:36 |
| user_ | hrm | 07:36 |
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| zoran | ds3, it should be more power consuming | 07:37 |
| ds3 | probally the biggest drawback with the Z or the slug is they can only natively run v5te tool chains so you can't test v6-vfp specific stuff | 07:37 |
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| ds3 | zoran: what about speed? | 07:37 |
| zoran | hm, dunno | 07:37 |
| zoran | hdd should be faster | 07:38 |
| zoran | and lives whole the time with power on | 07:38 |
| johnx | I think SD access on the Zaurus is pretty slow, but it's close to the max speed the card supports on the N8x0 | 07:39 |
| zoran | btw, someone got yahoo imap on any device? | 07:39 |
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| Luria | does the class 2/4/6 matter on the nokias? | 07:39 |
| rm_you|wtf | woo sup johnx | 07:40 |
| ds3 | yes, but the nice thing about the Z is it has a CF slot too ;) | 07:40 |
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| zoran | is there any diff sd - cf now? | 07:40 |
| johnx | ds3, mine is taken up by wireless :/ | 07:41 |
| johnx | rm_you|wtf, hey | 07:41 |
| ds3 | for a Linux 2.4 based device, I think CF is going to be faster | 07:41 |
| zoran | I found 770 fast enough for the tasks I gave it to it | 07:41 |
| rm_you|wtf | johnx, so the applet works on a nonmodified kernel now | 07:42 |
| johnx | rm_you|wtf, really?! | 07:42 |
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| rm_you|n800 | yes | 07:42 |
| johnx | that's craziness | 07:42 |
| rm_you|n800 | i'm cheating though, so it's a little slow | 07:42 |
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| Luria | cf is still faster in devices that can use it | 07:43 |
| Luria | like pro slrs | 07:43 |
| johnx | I think the latest rev of CF has support for DMA | 07:43 |
| Luria | plus its just a mini ata port | 07:44 |
| johnx | they're working on an sata based version of CF I hear | 07:45 |
| dragorn | New CF standard is sata. Nothing that uses it yet though. | 07:45 |
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| ds3 | actually, is the lag that significant on the 8x0? it should be USB2 | 07:47 |
| zoran | the device like that shouldn't be a sprinter | 07:48 |
| ds3 | btw, anyone tried getting those USB VGA things to work on the 8x0? | 07:49 |
| johnx | actually, I'm confused: Will the N8x0 *host* at 480Mb/s or 12Mb/s? | 07:50 |
| dragorn | ds3: Ask me later this weekend | 07:50 |
| dragorn | ds3: and I'll test it, if I can be arsed to compile the modules | 07:51 |
| ds3 | 480Mb/s unless the TUSB6110 is different from the MUSB stuff | 07:51 |
| * dragorn just got it going on some other hardware and it's not quick :P | 07:51 | |
| dragorn | actually I take that back | 07:51 |
| ds3 | dragorn: you got one of those ?! | 07:51 |
| dragorn | I'd have to build a power injector | 07:51 |
| dragorn | ds3: I have several | 07:51 |
| johnx | dragorn, what about a powered hub for testing? | 07:51 |
| ds3 | I was just thinking of setting up one of those and have a VGA to NTSC converter attached to it | 07:51 |
| dragorn | johnx: in theory, no | 07:51 |
| ds3 | nice | 07:51 |
| dragorn | johnx: otg is single-device only | 07:52 |
| dragorn | johnx: I haven't tested to see if the 8x0 actually enforces that. Tho os2008 final broke usb pretty badly | 07:52 |
| dragorn | most devices cause a kernel panic during enumeration | 07:52 |
| dragorn | if they're not plugged in during boot anyhow. And then they cause a kernel panic on device close. | 07:52 |
| ds3 | the musb subsystem is pretty screwed up anyways | 07:52 |
| * dragorn nods | 07:53 | |
| dragorn | The kernel in the betas worked, the final release not so much | 07:53 |
| dragorn | haven't bothered to diff them | 07:53 |
| ds3 | I am at a lost as how they could have screwed it up more | 07:53 |
| johnx | that's unfortunate | 07:53 |
| johnx | I figured since it worked so perfectly on the Zaurus it wouldn't be much of a challenge | 07:54 |
| ds3 | i wonder why they didn't compile gadget zero as it can work around some of the "problems" | 07:54 |
| johnx | and for the record, the zaurus kernel doesn't enforce "single device only" or any kind of "whitelist" | 07:54 |
| dragorn | johnx: is it OTG? | 07:54 |
| ds3 | johnx: Z uses a stock OHCI setup and only does FS at best | 07:55 |
| dragorn | johnx: i mean the 770 didn't, either, but it was a proper USB host | 07:55 |
| dragorn | the 8x0 devs are both OTG which is a different USB standard | 07:55 |
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| ds3 | or was it UHCI | 07:56 |
| ds3 | <--- gets nightmares about MUSB ;) | 07:56 |
| johnx | zaurus is ohci, havent dug into n8x0 yet since I don't have a combination of cables | 07:56 |
| rm_you|n800 | johnx, go back to akiba and buy one of those things i bought :P | 07:59 |
| johnx | rm_you|n800, probably early next month :D | 07:59 |
| rm_you|n800 | :P | 08:00 |
| ds3 | actually, the PXA otg go is in a questionable state in 2.6 | 08:00 |
| ds3 | at least on the gumstix | 08:00 |
| johnx | ds3, really? I've been compiling for multiple days over it on my c1000 | 08:01 |
| ds3 | johnx: what ROM? | 08:01 |
| johnx | angstrom with debian armel chroot | 08:01 |
| johnx | linux-rp-2.6.23 | 08:02 |
| acydlord | haha crap, i just found out that i know the founder of gOS | 08:02 |
| ds3 | have you tried using it in gadget mode (USB net or mass storage)? | 08:02 |
| johnx | ds3, it's pretty flakey in that mode | 08:02 |
| johnx | I never use that stuff though so it's not an issue | 08:03 |
| ds3 | johnx: OTG == Host + Gadget functionality | 08:03 |
| rm_you|n800 | Hrmrm | 08:03 |
| johnx | ds3, fair enough | 08:03 |
| Luria | sigh, just rebooted a machine with 145 days of uptime | 08:03 |
| johnx | I'd rather have host if I had to choose though | 08:03 |
| rm_you|n800 | it's really weird programming in a non-object-oriented language >_> | 08:03 |
| rm_you|n800 | i at least want C++ <_< | 08:04 |
| ds3 | I suspect MUSB can be forced (compile time) into host mode for some more reliability but the lack of power on the pins of the 8x0 makes that a problem :( | 08:04 |
| johnx | I'm still not getting why a powered hub won't work if the "single device only" is just an arbitrary software thing | 08:05 |
| rm_you|n800 | i do really need to get/make a usb host cable that works in the n800 (mini.. b?) | 08:05 |
| ds3 | johnx: IIRC, strictly speaking, that is illegal per the USB spec | 08:05 |
| rm_you|n800 | i can't imagine why someone isnt selling them on one of those doityourself selling sites yet | 08:05 |
| penguinbait | why not just make a menu item to switch to and from host | 08:06 |
| ds3 | the host is suppose to supply power for a pull up/pull down on the signal lines and the spec calls for it to be driven by the power lines | 08:06 |
| rm_you|n800 | penguinbait, there is a way to do that | 08:06 |
| johnx | ds3, I don't think many people here will lose sleep over breaking USB spec on their own device | 08:06 |
| ds3 | and back driving is ilegal | 08:06 |
| penguinbait | sure | 08:06 |
| rm_you|n800 | penguinbait, that is what i'm doing now, with osso-statusbar-cpu and a scripti | 08:06 |
| rm_you|n800 | ts on the wiki | 08:06 |
| penguinbait | its just an echo? | 08:06 |
| rm_you|n800 | basically | 08:06 |
| ds3 | johnx: but the devices are designed to not violate the spec so you'd have to modify the hub | 08:06 |
| rm_you|n800 | not QUITE but basically | 08:07 |
| ds3 | I know i had it working with 1 (no name, $4 special) USB2 hub but another one in identical case won't work (this is on the 770) | 08:07 |
| penguinbait | I just do one echo, and I have usb disk, cdrom/dvd joysticks | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | best 4GB miniSD card seems to be Transcend mini Secure Digital Card SDHC - from the rated speeds | 08:07 |
| penguinbait | modules all preload on boot | 08:07 |
| johnx | ds3 I thought the N8x0 was different in that regard than the 770 | 08:07 |
| penguinbait | it is | 08:08 |
| penguinbait | usb host mode on 770 | 08:08 |
| penguinbait | not OTG | 08:08 |
| ds3 | oh | 08:08 |
| penguinbait | hubs work great on 770 | 08:08 |
| ds3 | thought the 1710 can do OTG | 08:08 |
| ds3 | no biggie, I can borrow those 2 USB connector Y cables from those USB drive cases | 08:09 |
| penguinbait | trying to run a hard drive | 08:09 |
| ds3 | no, just using the Y cable; it has a MiniB and 2 USB A connectors... | 08:10 |
| dragorn | the 800 is broken but you can control it from sw | 08:10 |
| ds3 | one USB A can be used to feed power from those phone USB charger AC adapter thingies and the second one can be used witha A to A adapter | 08:10 |
| dragorn | http://svn.kismetwireless.net/code/tools/spectools/maemo_usb_helper.c | 08:11 |
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| dragorn | is a stupid C program to mode-toggle the 800 | 08:11 |
| dragorn | you can do it w/ shell too if it makes you happy | 08:11 |
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| ds3 | dragorn: do you know if the 8x0 has the device/host ID pin routed to the connector? | 08:12 |
| penguinbait | here is my adapter | 08:12 |
| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=123355#post123355 | 08:12 |
| dragorn | ds3: it does | 08:12 |
| penguinbait | nice and small | 08:12 |
| dragorn | ds3: however the 800 is invalid because it uses a B shell mini | 08:13 |
| dragorn | ds3: which uses different shells for a and b modes | 08:13 |
| ds3 | but the pin is there? | 08:13 |
| dragorn | ds3: the 810 uses micro, and you can get a micro-a for about $8 on amazon | 08:13 |
| dragorn | ds3: in theory. I jsut toggle it w/ software. | 08:13 |
| ds3 | so I can build some crazy adapters to work around it? | 08:13 |
| dragorn | you'd have to shear off some of the shell from an A connector | 08:14 |
| ds3 | dragorn: on other MUSB platforms, loading and unloading a gadget driver can force a OTG host/device detection | 08:14 |
| dragorn | my problem isn't device detection | 08:14 |
| dragorn | though I do have hw that just won't detect | 08:14 |
| dragorn | my problem is the system locks up dead and the watchdog kicks it 30 seconds later | 08:15 |
| dragorn | during dev enumeration/opening | 08:15 |
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| ds3 | ah the "other problem" | 08:15 |
| ds3 | so sysfs works around this lockup? | 08:15 |
| ds3 | (I just change it at compile time to avoid issues like that) | 08:15 |
| dragorn | Didn't happen under beta 2008. Get all my code rewritten and hildonized, get the hw vendors psyched... and 2008 release doesn't work at all. | 08:16 |
| dragorn | No? | 08:16 |
| dragorn | There is no solution for the lockup | 08:16 |
| dragorn | that I know of | 08:16 |
| ds3 | oh | 08:16 |
| dragorn | other than rebooting the device w/ the USB hw plugged in w/ a host-mode cable | 08:16 |
| dragorn | then it sometimes doesn't crash until you close the device | 08:16 |
| dragorn | but often, it does. | 08:16 |
| cesman | hello hello | 08:16 |
| ds3 | know where it faults? | 08:17 |
| cesman | is anyone else seeing slower performance on thier n800 w/ os2008? | 08:17 |
| dragorn | ds3: no idea, I don't have a serial cable for it | 08:17 |
| ds3 | and if it happens if you disable DMA? | 08:17 |
| cesman | mine seem sluggish | 08:17 |
| dragorn | ds3: How would I do that? | 08:17 |
| ds3 | dragorn: there is a sysfs to do it... but I don't recall it. I usually do it at compile time | 08:17 |
| dragorn | in musb? | 08:18 |
| ds3 | dragorn: also what kind of device (specifically, what type of endpoints) | 08:18 |
| dragorn | ds3: n8x0 (800 and 810 exhibit the same behavior flaws), wispy2 HID device | 08:18 |
| ds3 | yeah, there is a menuconfig option for disable pio. disable that will disable DMA | 08:18 |
| dragorn | ds3: which is a custom usb device that gets driven by libusb from userspace | 08:19 |
| ds3 | oh HID... that's interrupt. i had some fixes for ISO endpoints | 08:19 |
| dragorn | yeah it's an iread off the usb2 device | 08:20 |
| dragorn | it's a feature get off the usb1, but that doesn't enumerate at all anyhow | 08:20 |
| ds3 | I'd be very interested to know if DMA effects it. ISO was broken for in and out in DMA mode | 08:20 |
| dragorn | well, hopefully theres an option for that in sys | 08:21 |
| dragorn | since I can't expect users to recompile their kernels | 08:21 |
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| ds3 | let me see if the board is up and I can check | 08:21 |
| dragorn | i'm poking in /sys now | 08:21 |
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| ds3 | there is use_dma for plat_uds variants (module paramater) | 08:25 |
| dragorn | not modular on the nokia kernels | 08:26 |
| ds3 | oh :( | 08:29 |
| dragorn | yeah | 08:30 |
| dragorn | that was my first thought | 08:30 |
| ds3 | Mmmm it is controled by a single static variable... a proper write to /dev/kmem.... | 08:31 |
| dragorn | hah, wow, no :P | 08:32 |
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| Zic | hi | 09:01 |
| johnx | hi | 09:02 |
| unique311 | yo | 09:02 |
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| rm_you|n800 | >_> | 09:07 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=787&d=1200123058 <<< speed test for internal flash (change to /media/mmc1 to test sd/sdhc card) | 09:35 |
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| rm_you|n800 | hrm | 09:43 |
| rm_you|n800 | i shall try that in a min | 09:43 |
| rm_you|n800 | it takes 100mb free? | 09:44 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 09:47 |
| pupnik_ | close other apps, run several times | 09:47 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=125707#post125707 | 09:48 |
| pupnik_ | there's the thread for people's test results | 09:48 |
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| pupnik_ | looks like 4gb miniSDHC are the best deals right now ~ 22-24 euro | 09:49 |
| unique311 | hey pupnik_ got a sec | 09:55 |
| pupnik_ | yeah | 09:55 |
| unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=125931 | 09:55 |
| unique311 | lunapaint links. | 09:55 |
| unique311 | it builds really quickly, but segfaults in SB and on the device | 09:56 |
| pupnik_ | good post. a good painter is one of the big things missing still. | 09:57 |
| unique311 | faints developer, says he doesn't have anytime. | 09:58 |
| unique311 | and mtpaint is proving very difficult to hildonize | 09:59 |
| unique311 | mtpaint = faint | 09:59 |
| pupnik_ | yea | 09:59 |
| pupnik_ | have you used lunapaint on the pc yet? | 09:59 |
| unique311 | thats a relief for me. | 09:59 |
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| unique311 | i thought i just sucked. but after reading his update, feel kinda better about hildon. | 10:00 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 10:00 |
| pupnik_ | rgbpaint looks way too primitive | 10:00 |
| unique311 | i know....not enough tools | 10:01 |
| unique311 | lunapaint is just right. | 10:01 |
| unique311 | but i'm not sure why i'm getting the segfaults when i try to start it. | 10:01 |
| pupnik_ | well i'll give it a try on the PC | 10:01 |
| unique311 | cool | 10:01 |
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| pupnik_ | it looks like a bit of work to get those multiple windows into one gtk/hildon window | 10:02 |
| unique311 | you mess with sdl alot, so i figure you would figure out the problem. | 10:02 |
| pupnik_ | lunapaint is sdl? | 10:02 |
| unique311 | well mypaint has multiple windows, and it opens all of them. 3 to be exact. | 10:02 |
| unique311 | yes | 10:02 |
| pupnik_ | holy... | 10:02 |
| unique311 | ?? | 10:02 |
| Lynoure | I could not find evince for os2008 yet. Does it exist? | 10:03 |
| unique311 | Lynoure, saw a post on ITT about evince and os2008 | 10:03 |
| Lynoure | unique311: I'm looking at one now on ITT forums... 3 pages of how people miss evince... | 10:04 |
| unique311 | don't think it made it to os2008 yet | 10:04 |
| unique311 | same thread i just looked at | 10:04 |
| pupnik_ | where's the lunapaint source unique311 | 10:05 |
| Lynoure | The new build-in pdf reader is better than the old build-in, but it pausing to think so long between pages, and it being quite easy to accidentally switch pages when scrolling with the buttons makes it a bit pain for me, still | 10:05 |
| unique311 | http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/lunapaint/ | 10:05 |
| pupnik_ | checked homepage and lunapaint.berlios.de | 10:05 |
| unique311 | no | 10:05 |
| pupnik_ | thanks | 10:06 |
| pupnik_ | MAKE: cBrush.h:49: error: extra qualification 'cBrush::' on member 'getCurrentColor' | 10:07 |
| pupnik_ | did you get that error on make, unique311 ? | 10:07 |
| unique311 | i think a couple of warnings. | 10:08 |
| unique311 | but no errors | 10:08 |
| pupnik_ | ok i'll look at it later | 10:08 |
| pupnik_ | gotta run - tytl | 10:08 |
| unique311 | k | 10:08 |
| unique311 | lates | 10:08 |
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| ds3 | Hmmmm maybe the USB port does provide power of some level | 10:38 |
| Tama-rro | 100 mA it seems | 10:39 |
| ds3 | if that is the case... | 10:40 |
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| ds3 | that works! and the UI did the right thing. I am amazed | 10:48 |
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| b0unc3 | good morning | 11:22 |
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| K-Fox | to watch high capacity of video(*.avi), n810 have to encode ? | 11:26 |
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| K-Fox | n810 must convert to see video? | 11:31 |
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| khertan | Hi | 11:34 |
| K-Fox | HI | 11:35 |
| K-Fox | n810 must convert to see video? | 11:35 |
| unique311 | yes and no | 11:36 |
| unique311 | some video play well, and others need convert | 11:36 |
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| K-Fox | others? | 11:38 |
| K-Fox | divx.. | 11:38 |
| Cord | (ftr: my n810 just arrived.) | 11:38 |
| K-Fox | wow | 11:38 |
| Cord | (germany, standard, parcel service dropped it off in the neighborhood without notice) | 11:39 |
| khertan | lol | 11:43 |
| khertan | i see that postal service is poor everywhere in the world ... :) | 11:44 |
| khertan | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/g/gnome-python-extras/python2.5-gda-dev_2.19.3-2_all.deb Size mismatch | 11:44 |
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| b0unc3 | khertan: apt-get update may help | 11:49 |
| khertan | maybe someone could help me ... i m trying to bypass the default python2.3 in the arm target in the sdk to use python2.5 ... i ve replaced the symlink /usr/bin/python ... it doen't seems to be enought | 11:49 |
| khertan | b0unc3:only if repository don't fails ... :) | 11:50 |
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| khertan | maybe someone could help me ... i m trying to bypass the default python2.3 in the arm target in the sdk to use python2.5 ... i ve replaced the symlink /usr/bin/python ... it doen't seems to be enought | 12:07 |
| khertan | i ve do it in the past ... but ... don t forget ... :( | 12:07 |
| khertan | s/forget/remember | 12:07 |
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| melmoth | khertan: i know its dirty, but i hard code the path to pyhton2.5 in the beginning of the scripts. | 12:38 |
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| tank-man | do you have any advice for xorg.conf modifications needed for Xephyr? | 12:49 |
| melmoth | i never had to change anything in xorg.conf to have Xephyr working. | 12:50 |
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| torotorito | hi! im trying to remove scratchbox so i can install from scratch but i get opperation not permitted, im trying to remove /scratchbox and not even with root i can do it, any ideas? | 12:54 |
| torotorito | i get "rm: WARNING: Circular directory structure." | 12:56 |
| Lahiru | hi anyone installed KDE on OS2008 using debs? | 12:57 |
| tank-man | ok, my distro has xorg server 1.3 built without Xephyr, so i recompiled xorg server 1.3 with .configure options to inclued Xephyr and installed to some other dir to not conflict with what came with my distro and made a sym link to Xephyr in my path somewhere ... when i try to run Xephyr, i get complants about fonts missing | 12:57 |
| inz | torotorito, have you stopped scratchbox before trying to remove? | 12:57 |
| djcb | torotorito: be careful there | 12:57 |
| torotorito | yes i was not running it | 12:58 |
| djcb | check mount -v | 12:58 |
| tank-man | pretty interesting error message there torotorito, never heard that one before | 12:58 |
| djcb | and make sure nothing sbox-related is still mounted | 12:59 |
| torotorito | well i didnt run scratchbox since a long time ago | 12:59 |
| djcb | it's quite easy to nuke the wrong thing when remove /scratchbox | 12:59 |
| djcb | ie, something useful that is mounted there somewhere | 12:59 |
| torotorito | oh | 12:59 |
| torotorito | maybe i backup first then | 13:00 |
| djcb | the reason you couldn't delete it, might be that some pseudo dir is mounted there somewhere | 13:01 |
| djcb | like /proc or /dev | 13:01 |
| djcb | and some ppl have /home/foo mounted there too, and you you might want to keep that | 13:02 |
| torotorito | rm: cannot remove `sys//class/tty/ptyte/uevent': Operation not permitted | 13:02 |
| djcb | indeed. | 13:02 |
| djcb | first unmount /sys | 13:02 |
| djcb | from sbox | 13:02 |
| djcb | check mount -v | 13:02 |
| torotorito | oh yes its mounted | 13:03 |
| torotorito | thanks | 13:04 |
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| Luria | anyone own an eee? | 13:09 |
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| tank-man | get out of here traitor ! | 13:11 |
| tank-man | :) | 13:11 |
| Lahiru | everything was gone well.. but I cnt install kdesup-3.5.8.deb :( | 13:12 |
| Luria | who me? | 13:15 |
| Luria | why cant i have both? | 13:15 |
| Luria | and a cloudbook | 13:15 |
| Luria | more hardware hacking fun on the eee too. | 13:15 |
| Luria | i want to do that touchscreen mod | 13:16 |
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| Luria | (if i get one) | 13:16 |
| tank-man | i was going to trade my nintendo wii for a eee pc but decided to give away the wii and buy the eeepc later | 13:18 |
| Luria | that's not a good deal as you describe it. | 13:18 |
| tank-man | really? lol | 13:19 |
| Luria | i saw a black 4g (non surf) for $379 on local CL | 13:19 |
| Luria | just emailed the dude | 13:19 |
| Luria | i gotta say, id hit it. | 13:19 |
| Luria | just wish there were decent gps nav wares for linux | 13:20 |
| Luria | lol compiz on an eeepc | 13:22 |
| Luria | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzzhEs9XGuE | 13:22 |
| Luria | holy crap thats fast | 13:22 |
| rm_you|n800 | bbl | 13:23 |
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| Luria | rm_you: so, more of a mv than an rm, huh? :-) | 13:24 |
| rm_you|n800 | lol | 13:25 |
| rm_you|n800 | yes, heading home :P | 13:25 |
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| Luria | well, go mv . ~ | 13:25 |
| Luria | (that was geeky, i will admit) | 13:26 |
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| terraces | khertan: here ? | 13:41 |
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| gnuton | Hi! | 13:45 |
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| assasukasse | hello | 13:49 |
| assasukasse | i have a question about the menu system and editor | 13:49 |
| assasukasse | in particular, how do the menues work in maemo? are they regenerated each time debian style? or? | 13:50 |
| alterego | Mmmm .. This is a damn fine omlette | 13:52 |
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| tank-man | assasukasse, what do you mean regenerated? | 13:53 |
| tank-man | you can organise the menu if you want from control panel | 13:54 |
| assasukasse | tank-man: actually i am interested in how they work...because we are trying to have your drag and drop menu in elive linux | 13:54 |
| assasukasse | we are rewriting from scratch a menu editor | 13:55 |
| tank-man | i think the menu editor is already drag and drop capable | 13:55 |
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| assasukasse | tank-man: in maemo yes, in linux no | 14:07 |
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| alterego | Wow, maemo leading the way ;) | 14:12 |
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| assasukasse | its a good idea | 14:19 |
| assasukasse | so.. | 14:19 |
| assasukasse | why not | 14:19 |
| alterego | :) | 14:20 |
| assasukasse | anyone willing to answer my question? :D | 14:23 |
| assasukasse | or is a secret | 14:23 |
| alterego | That aspect is not OSS unfortunately. | 14:23 |
| alterego | Oh, actually .. | 14:23 |
| alterego | Let me just check something. | 14:24 |
| alterego | I believe it uses files in /etc with the format 'XXNN-app.desktop' | 14:25 |
| alterego | Where XX is the group/sub-menu and NN is the position in that group. | 14:25 |
| alterego | And those files should really be symlinks to the applications .desktop file I believe | 14:26 |
| melmoth | alterego: is it this you are looking for ? | 14:27 |
| melmoth | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/how_to_write_new_application_in_maemo_4-0.html#AddAppToMenu | 14:27 |
| alterego | No, | 14:28 |
| alterego | I was just checking the filesystem on my tablet .. | 14:28 |
| alterego | But that might help assasukasse | 14:28 |
| b0unc3 | guys, where are the wireless-tools for OS2008? | 14:32 |
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| giskard | http://paste.debian.net/46712 | 15:03 |
| giskard | why i get this when i do an apt-get update? | 15:03 |
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| |tbb| | how can i ssh login to the n8x0 as user is there a password set? should i set one? | 15:05 |
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| Abulafia | |tbb|, the user account is passwd -l 'ed | 15:12 |
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| Luria | also, not recommended to set one, as it can interfere with the gui package manager | 15:12 |
| Luria | best option is to add another user account | 15:13 |
| |tbb| | the syntax wont work for me | 15:14 |
| Luria | ? | 15:15 |
| |tbb| | passwd -l 'ed | 15:15 |
| sp3000 | use ssh keys | 15:15 |
| kuriiri | ai nii | 15:16 |
| |tbb| | sp3000: what does it means | 15:16 |
| sp3000 | giskard: there's a few bugs on people from some places getting 401'd | 15:16 |
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| sp3000 | one apparently due to using a local proxy, some from italian isps | 15:18 |
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| sp3000 | someone speculated about something possibly shunning something due to too much traffic shoved through one ip or something | 15:18 |
| Luria | |tbb|, you mean you dont know what "passwd -l" is? (just asking, i'd be happy to explain) | 15:19 |
| sp3000 | giskard: see bugs 798 1896 2319 2643 | 15:19 |
| |tbb| | N84U:~# passwd -l user | 15:20 |
| |tbb| | Password changed. | 15:20 |
| |tbb| | i dont wanted to change it i wanted to know it | 15:20 |
| |tbb| | damn | 15:20 |
| Luria | "passwd -l" removes the passwd | 15:20 |
| Luria | there is no default passwd | 15:20 |
| |tbb| | ah k | 15:21 |
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| Luria | technically, it sets the passwd hash to something that can't be entered with a keyboard | 15:21 |
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| sp3000 | giskard: I don't see fastres.it in particular mentioned, you might want to file a bug with your details ...or in one of the above if one seems a good match | 15:21 |
| Luria | or rather computed by keyboard input | 15:21 |
| sp3000 | er, s/it/net/ | 15:21 |
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| |tbb| | adduser doesnt seem to be there | 15:22 |
| Luria | to securely ssh, either use ssh keys or add another user | 15:22 |
| Luria | i saw one a while back | 15:22 |
| sp3000 | |tbb|: "ssh keys" means the same as "passwd -l", i.e. "google it" | 15:22 |
| Luria | ssh keys does not necessarily mean the same thing | 15:23 |
| sp3000 | to the extent of "google it before trying" it does :) | 15:23 |
| sp3000 | in other senses , indeed not | 15:23 |
| Luria | you can have an account which supports local interactive passwords but only ssh key login | 15:23 |
| Luria | which is the more common use | 15:23 |
| |tbb| | is it possible to login as root and then change to user | 15:24 |
| fsmw | somebody here is related to n810 discount program? i've some questions about it :-/ | 15:25 |
| sp3000 | sure, iirc su - user | 15:25 |
| alterego | su | 15:25 |
| alterego | Anyone use ssh-agent on their tablet? | 15:25 |
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| |tbb| | sp3000 thx | 15:25 |
| alterego | That's interesting, it just started working O_O | 15:25 |
| [AD]Turbo | hi all | 15:27 |
| sp3000 | alterego: that's the point of asking on irc (or irl for that matter), things magically start working | 15:28 |
| sp3000 | just to spite you | 15:28 |
| alterego | :) | 15:28 |
| alterego | Hah | 15:28 |
| alterego | Yeah | 15:28 |
| assasukasse | thanks alterego | 15:29 |
| alterego | np | 15:29 |
| alterego | Ah, no. Still doesn't work. | 15:30 |
| alterego | Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. | 15:30 |
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| alterego | Ah, so I have to add it to an init script. | 15:31 |
| rm_you | wheee | 15:33 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: brightness app works on default kernel now | 15:34 |
| |tbb| | wow also replace the old one? | 15:34 |
| rm_you | well | 15:34 |
| |tbb| | mean the default one | 15:34 |
| rm_you | you add mine, and disable the default one | 15:34 |
| rm_you | >_> | 15:34 |
| rm_you | it's not *finished* yet because it still looks crappy, IMO | 15:35 |
| rm_you | whole window, instead of a nice little popdown | 15:35 |
| |tbb| | >_> <- what does this means | 15:35 |
| giskard | sp3000, argh! thank you. | 15:37 |
| rm_you | it's like... shifty eyes :) | 15:37 |
| rm_you | >_> <_< >_> | 15:37 |
| rm_you | i use it as an emote, similar to the emotion represented by ":/" | 15:37 |
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| tyrionlannister | For some reason, I thought the channel would be smaller | 15:38 |
| Luria | #maemo rules freenet. | 15:38 |
| Luria | (^_^) | 15:39 |
| alterego | Did you think it would be smaller because you're using a tablet? | 15:41 |
| alterego | Hello Luria :) | 15:41 |
| Luria | yo | 15:41 |
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| tyrionlannister | haha, must be | 15:41 |
| jpt9 | hey. | 15:41 |
| Luria | actually, considering there are 290 here and only 59 in #eeepc... | 15:41 |
| Luria | it is pretty impressive. | 15:41 |
| jpt9 | has anyone ported the terminal/console version of Nethack to maemo? | 15:41 |
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| jpt9 | I know there's a graphical version, but I find it quite annoying to play. | 15:42 |
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| Luria | the graphical one has ascii sets | 15:42 |
| Luria | i know, its not obvious | 15:42 |
| jpt9 | i know | 15:42 |
| jpt9 | i like the keyboard commands. | 15:42 |
| jpt9 | it's annoying having to use random icons and dig through menus for stuff. | 15:42 |
| Luria | ah... most keyboard commands work | 15:43 |
| Luria | but i do know what you mean | 15:43 |
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| jpt9 | except I have a 770. | 15:43 |
| Luria | the extended stuff is not so great | 15:43 |
| jpt9 | with no physical keyboard. | 15:43 |
| Luria | and i have a n800 :-) | 15:43 |
| magicrobotmonkey | does anyone else have problems with the browser hanging in os2008 when using about:config | 15:43 |
| Luria | seriously, i play slowly or i pull out a bt keyboard. | 15:43 |
| Luria | that said | 15:44 |
| Luria | maybe i can compile it later | 15:45 |
| jpt9 | thanks. | 15:45 |
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| Luria | magicrobotmonkey, about:config is known to be real slow for some on os2008 | 15:45 |
| magicrobotmonkey | so there's nothing i can do about it? | 15:45 |
| Luria | i didnt have a problem, but ive heard times exceeding 5min to load | 15:45 |
| Luria | i would search ITT and see what others have reported | 15:46 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea thats basically what im seeing | 15:46 |
| pc_speaker | about:config works fast | 15:46 |
| pc_speaker | Just set 100% font size | 15:46 |
| pc_speaker | And not auto-size for webpages | 15:46 |
| pc_speaker | And closo all other browser windows | 15:46 |
| Luria | ah, i forgot, i never touch those (though i have had other browser windows open) | 15:47 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea the only way i can get it to open is with no other browser windows open | 15:47 |
| scibot | Two more days to go. | 15:47 |
| jpt9 | Luria: in case it matters, I'm running OS2007HE on my 770. | 15:47 |
| Luria | ah | 15:47 |
| Luria | then i cant help | 15:47 |
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| Luria | well, im not sure i can | 15:48 |
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| Luria | i only have 4.0 installed | 15:48 |
| Luria | on my scratchbox box | 15:48 |
| Luria | it probably will work tho, as its just ncurses | 15:48 |
| alterego | Well, hopefully this bootscript will add ssh-agent under user and get it to work properly :) | 15:48 |
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| rm_you | So, I'm having a problem with my statusbar applet that is very difficult to diagnose... | 15:49 |
| rm_you | The first time or two (possibly three, not sure) it is enabled, the UI crashes | 15:50 |
| rm_you | after that it works fine | 15:50 |
| rm_you | Code: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight-0.4b-src.tar.gz for reference, if anyone wants to put forth a guess or two as to why :P | 15:50 |
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| alterego | Nope :/ | 15:51 |
| fugitivo | any idea if a version of 2008 HE for the 770 will be released soon? I don't know when the discount code will work for USA and I need to test some apps I'm developing | 15:51 |
| alterego | fugitivo, you can use the SDK, or maybe supply debs and get someone else to test them. | 15:51 |
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| bedboi | hi there | 15:51 |
| rm_you | fugitivo: yeah, i am generally willing to test when i'm around :) though I realize it isn't the same :? | 15:51 |
| rm_you | :/ | 15:51 |
| fugitivo | alterego: yes, i'm using the SDK but I need to test it on a real device | 15:51 |
| alterego | fugitivo, get someone else to test it, or be patient. | 15:53 |
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| rm_you | gah FSCKing hell | 15:53 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:53 |
| |tbb| | anyone knows whats the grep -m option in osso-xterm? it doesnt work on osso-xterm | 15:53 |
| rm_you | so, i was using a bluetooth keyboard on my n800 in os2008... | 15:53 |
| rm_you | so it disabled all the virtual keyboard stuff | 15:54 |
| fugitivo | alterego: MORE patient :) | 15:54 |
| rm_you | and when i disconnected it, it never RE-ENABLED the vkeyboard | 15:54 |
| rm_you | and i *locked* the device's keys/screen, right? | 15:54 |
| alterego | No, just patient. | 15:54 |
| rm_you | but apparently it entirely disabled the middle dpad button... so i can't unlock it | 15:54 |
| rm_you | anyone know what key that is? maybe i can reconnect the bt keyboard and use the bt keyboard to hit it | 15:55 |
| hugolp | how can I acces the memory cards from the N800 X-term? | 15:55 |
| hugolp | what directory are they? | 15:55 |
| rm_you | ah sweet, it's enter | 15:55 |
| alterego | hugolp, ls /media/mmcX where X = 1 for external and X = 2 for internal. | 15:56 |
| |tbb| | i need something like that ps aux | grep -m 1 osso which just only returns 1 and first result | 15:56 |
| hugolp | alterego: thanks | 15:56 |
| scibot | Woah | 15:57 |
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| alterego | Hmm, looks like I need to figure out how hildon logs you in. | 16:03 |
| Luria | you know. the mmc1/2 thing throws me | 16:03 |
| alterego | Luria, why? | 16:04 |
| Luria | i always expect 1 to be internal | 16:04 |
| alterego | Yeah, me too. | 16:04 |
| alterego | I suppose I've gotten used to it now. | 16:04 |
| |tbb| | anyone got an idea how to do this, in osso-xterm | 16:04 |
| Luria | see, thats a admin/dev thought. | 16:04 |
| Luria | but they must have thought write/read from the external would be more common | 16:05 |
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| alterego | Who knows what they were thinking :P | 16:05 |
| Luria | but i doubt many simple users will even know about that idiom, so im not sure wtf they were thinking | 16:05 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 16:05 |
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| Luria | kree and all | 16:05 |
| alterego | Hey Jaffa | 16:05 |
| Jaffa | Luria: :) | 16:05 |
| Luria | sorry, dhd is gone. no going home from here. | 16:06 |
| alterego | Tek is hello I think. | 16:06 |
| alterego | In Jaffa :P | 16:06 |
| Luria | christ, this turned into a convention | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | SG1 geeks the lot of you. My nick predated it by many years ;-) | 16:06 |
| rm_you | lol | 16:07 |
| * rm_you just watched the new episode of Atlantis a few hours ago | 16:07 | |
| Jaffa | Oh, it's back? | 16:07 |
| Luria | yeah, two weeks now | 16:08 |
| Jaffa | Cor, excellent. | 16:08 |
| * Jaffa fires up Azureus ;) | 16:08 | |
| rm_you | :P | 16:08 |
| Luria | screw that, i want bsg back | 16:08 |
| rm_you | pft | 16:08 |
| rm_you | BSG was overrated IMO | 16:08 |
| Jaffa | Razor was good. | 16:08 |
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| * rm_you managed to both start and end that line with a TLA | 16:08 | |
| Jaffa | What's happened to the two SG1 direct-to-DVD movies? | 16:08 |
| Luria | everything rdm touches is gold | 16:09 |
| fugitivo | |tbb|: that version of grep doesn't have the -m option, so you should find another way to do it | 16:09 |
| Luria | one leaked | 16:09 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: Ark of Truth got leaked | 16:09 |
| rm_you | unfinished | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | sfx? | 16:09 |
| rm_you | but it comes out officially in... March? | 16:09 |
| rm_you | yeah | 16:09 |
| Luria | not unfinished | 16:09 |
| alterego | Jaffa, they come out in a few months. | 16:09 |
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| alterego | Luria, did you watch it? | 16:09 |
| Jaffa | Ah cool | 16:09 |
| Luria | ok, the end credits werent done | 16:09 |
| rm_you | unfinished special effects and sound in some scenes | 16:09 |
| alterego | And some of the SFX | 16:09 |
| * Jaffa 'll wait. | 16:09 | |
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| Luria | it was like 99% | 16:09 |
| alterego | Yeah, I enjoyed it. | 16:10 |
| Luria | not like the atlantis preproduction leak | 16:10 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. Tempting. | 16:10 |
| rm_you | lol yeah | 16:10 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:10 |
| Luria | that was funny | 16:10 |
| rm_you | i watched that | 16:10 |
| Luria | "boom" | 16:10 |
| alterego | Hahah | 16:10 |
| rm_you | it was horribly disconcerting to have them touching things and not have beeps come out | 16:10 |
| Luria | (insert sfx here) | 16:10 |
| * petergunn waves hi to maemo peeps | 16:10 | |
| rm_you | and no music / background humm from stuff >_> just dead silence | 16:10 |
| alterego | Okay, does anyone know where I should stick 'ssh-agent' to make it available in all my terminal sessions without having to start it around another instance of the shell? | 16:10 |
| Luria | that was odd, but i still liked the cues for the space battle from the sound techs | 16:11 |
| Luria | bashrc? | 16:11 |
| alterego | If I do that, it'll lose all keys. | 16:12 |
| alterego | I want something that will be there when I open a new terminal. So I don't have to keep retyping my passphrases. | 16:12 |
| Luria | ah | 16:12 |
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| alterego | Hmmm .. | 16:13 |
| |tbb| | fugitivo: hmh, a workaround for a workaround for a workaround ;) | 16:14 |
| fugitivo | |tbb|: why you need to do that? | 16:14 |
| Luria | cant you stick it in a if/fi to check with ps if it's already running? | 16:14 |
| fugitivo | |tbb|: maybe you can find a way to not use that :) | 16:14 |
| |tbb| | maybe | 16:14 |
| fugitivo | you need to check the pid of a process or if a program is running? | 16:15 |
| |tbb| | no this was just example | 16:15 |
| |tbb| | was looking for the -m option | 16:15 |
| Luria | what's the m option? | 16:16 |
| |tbb| | stop grepping after one result | 16:16 |
| Luria | ah | 16:16 |
| petergunn | hmmm... no pidof command? | 16:16 |
| Luria | ps |grep |head -1? | 16:18 |
| Luria | or -2, i guess from the output | 16:18 |
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| K-Fox | there is a good info here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLTxO7SAkwc | 16:19 |
| |tbb| | Luria: thx, i think that work | 16:19 |
| K-Fox | How to turn your WM6 phone into a WiFi router | 16:19 |
| bedboi | anyone has any news/info about the GPS module? It seems that it always do a "first fix" procedure | 16:19 |
| Luria | np, i like pretending i know how to use linux. | 16:20 |
| petergunn | for pid in `pidof ssh-agent`; do ls -al /proc/$x/exe; done | 16:21 |
| alterego | petergunn, you've got ssh-agent to work? | 16:22 |
| petergunn | nope havent tried, but its easy to check if its running | 16:22 |
| alterego | I know it's running, it's just not connecting. | 16:23 |
| petergunn | key probs? | 16:23 |
| |tbb| | rm_you: what about combinate your backlight tool with the keyboard backlight? | 16:23 |
| alterego | No | 16:23 |
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| alterego | I've already explained here what the problem is .. | 16:23 |
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| rm_you | |tbb|: what? | 16:25 |
| |tbb| | the lower brightness you set the lower the keyboard backlight should go | 16:26 |
| petergunn | alterego: http://books.google.com/books?id=BxlhB-yc86cC&pg=PA144&lpg=PA144&dq=%22ssh+agent%22+new+terminals&source=web&ots=ABotlV3IgE&sig=MC_dC2Kg2OOszPvmvk_c2QAb8_E#PPA144,M1 | 16:26 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: lol, THAT I have *NO* idea | 16:26 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: I have an n800 too, so I can't really test | 16:26 |
| |tbb| | ah k | 16:27 |
| rm_you | is that even possible? does the current backlight thing do it? | 16:27 |
| |tbb| | it should | 16:27 |
| rm_you | or might it just be an on/off thing? | 16:27 |
| Luria | so, when is too early to call on saturday about a CL eeepc ad? | 16:28 |
| alterego | petergunn, that's great thanks. | 16:30 |
| alterego | I was just thinking about doing something similar myself :) | 16:30 |
| * petergunn :) | 16:30 | |
| alterego | I'm just trying to work out what the startup file for ash is though ;) | 16:31 |
| petergunn | I think it sources /etc/profile then $HOME/.profile | 16:32 |
| alterego | That's just for login shells. | 16:33 |
| alterego | I think it might be .ashrc | 16:33 |
| alterego | Okay, maybe it isn't. | 16:33 |
| * alterego checks. | 16:33 | |
| alterego | petergunn, yah, it does source .profile. | 16:34 |
| Luria | oh thats just handy code | 16:34 |
| alterego | It is, I imagine you can use that paradigm for a few things. | 16:35 |
| |tbb| | rm_you: ive seen it on channel days ago but doesnt found it anymore | 16:35 |
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| Luria | i might use something similar for openvpn | 16:35 |
| alterego | That's a good idea. | 16:36 |
| Luria | actually, i should stop being lazy and just do that frontend ive been meaning to do | 16:36 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: if you find reference of how to do it, i could try | 16:36 |
| alterego | :) | 16:36 |
| |tbb| | will a applet while its not active on the topbar, consumes memory anyway? like if i replace built in brightness control with rm_you`s one | 16:37 |
| rm_you | unfortunately, I need to pack up this computer tomorrow (today now, lol... within like 12 hours, at least) and ship it off... but fortunately my build-box is remote anyway, so I can still do devwork on my lame-ass debian machine sitting around here | 16:37 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: i don't believe so | 16:37 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: also, if you EVER see a UI crash that you think might be related to my applet, please post about it in that thread | 16:37 |
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| rm_you | I haven't really seen any, but since it causes weird issues on set up sometimes... | 16:38 |
| rm_you | i am on the lookout | 16:38 |
| alterego | Cool, | 16:42 |
| alterego | Not I've got funky ssh-agent :) | 16:42 |
| Luria | i dunno, i dont like ssh keys | 16:43 |
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| jeddy3 | Luria, um, why? | 16:43 |
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| Luria | i dont like copying/carrying keys around, i like the ability to use a trusted, but previously untouched machine | 16:44 |
| alterego | I have too many passwords to remember then all. Considering they're all 12 character random strings of upper and lower case alphanumeric characters :/ | 16:44 |
| Luria | and if it is a know roving machine (like a n800) id sooner use openvpn | 16:44 |
| Luria | or the like | 16:44 |
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| Luria | which i do use revokable keys for | 16:44 |
| Luria | alterego, fair enough | 16:45 |
| Luria | i didnt say it was pointless; i understand the need | 16:45 |
| Luria | but what do you do if you are at a buddies place and you *need* to kill some process? | 16:46 |
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| alterego | I look up the password on my N810 | 16:46 |
| jeddy3 | Luria, ok ok, valid points :) | 16:46 |
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| alterego | Or I use my cellphone :P | 16:47 |
| Luria | you have ssh on your cell phone? | 16:47 |
| Lahiru | Hi | 16:47 |
| alterego | No, my cell phone is a modem for my tablet. | 16:47 |
| rm_you | I wish I had ssh on my cell phone :P | 16:47 |
| * jeddy3 also uses ssh on cell phone sometimes : | 16:47 | |
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| rm_you | Blackberrys have SSH :P | 16:47 |
| alterego | ssh on mobiles is rubbish :P | 16:47 |
| jeddy3 | Nokia S60s have putty also | 16:48 |
| alterego | ssh on tablets is okay. Especially with HW keyboard. | 16:48 |
| Lahiru | Do anyone knows the root password for KDE 3.5.8 ? | 16:48 |
| Luria | blackberrys can suck my nuts | 16:48 |
| Luria | they remind me or palm circa 1998 | 16:48 |
| Luria | s/or/of | 16:48 |
| jeddy3 | alterego, what about cellphone with HW qwerty? | 16:48 |
| alterego | Yeah, I don't like the blackberries either .. | 16:48 |
| alterego | jeddy3, the screen is just too small for my liking. | 16:48 |
| alterego | Not enough characters .. | 16:48 |
| jeddy3 | alterego, yes of course, but for those moments you really need it :) | 16:49 |
| Jaffa | Lahiru: KDE doesn't have a root password, it's a desktop environment - not an OS. | 16:49 |
| alterego | jeddy3, then I'll use my N810 :P | 16:49 |
| alterego | That's why my phone is crap. It's just a cheap 3G modem :P | 16:49 |
| jeddy3 | alterego, fair enough, haven't used putty on my E61 since i got my n800 :) | 16:49 |
| alterego | ;) | 16:50 |
| Luria | in fact i just decided not to go work for a guy because he wanted me to do his IT infrastructure (for the start up phase) and then bought a blackberry despite my warnings | 16:50 |
| Lahiru | Jaffa: ah sorry.. then can I find root password for my N800? | 16:50 |
| Luria | (not the only reason, but it was a bad sign) | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | Lahiru: what OS? | 16:50 |
| Lahiru | OS2008 | 16:50 |
| jeddy3 | alterego, and true...the absolute first thing my e61 serves as is 3g modem :) | 16:50 |
| Luria | mostly cause "its what all the hedge fund people have and i want to be compatible" | 16:51 |
| petergunn | Im thinking of booting from MMC to run KDE - I see Millhouse's booting guide but do I want a 1.5/.5Gb partitions or just one big 2Gb partition for KDE? | 16:51 |
| Lahiru | Jaffa: OS2008 | 16:51 |
| * alterego doesn't support CrapDE | 16:51 | |
| alterego | Krap | 16:51 |
| alterego | The only Mini SD card I have is the 128M one that came with my N800. | 16:52 |
| alterego | I'm using that to store all my keys and password list text file. | 16:52 |
| alterego | Gonna encrypt the filesystem on it now. | 16:52 |
| Lahiru | I installed KDE on N800 OS2008 using debs, and working really well. | 16:53 |
| petergunn | how slow? would it be better booting from MMC? | 16:53 |
| |tbb| | anyone running a iodine | 16:53 |
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| Luria | hey i forgot about iodine | 16:54 |
| Luria | i meant to do that when i was tweaking white russian | 16:54 |
| Lahiru | can I find root password on OS2008? | 16:55 |
| Luria | Lahiru, there is no default password for os2008 | 16:56 |
| Luria | user or root | 16:56 |
| Lahiru | Luria: Thanks I'll try | 16:57 |
| Luria | Lahiru, what are you trying to do? | 16:58 |
| Lahiru | Luria: I want to change some settings using KDE | 16:59 |
| jeddy3 | no default password means that you can't login, right? | 16:59 |
| Lahiru | it's asking root password | 16:59 |
| Luria | oh | 16:59 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:59 |
| Luria | thats not good | 16:59 |
| Lahiru | password for 'user' is 'user' | 16:59 |
| Lahiru | 'root' ? | 17:00 |
| Luria | oh then the defaults dont apply | 17:00 |
| Luria | personally, i would boot into maemo and zero the password hash:-) | 17:00 |
| Luria | i havent played with kde on the IT | 17:01 |
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| Lahiru | can we change the password on maemo? | 17:01 |
| Luria | but then again, i like playing with hammers when a google search would do, i suppose | 17:01 |
| Lahiru | Luria: can I change my root password on maemo shell? | 17:02 |
| Luria | install openssh is the easiest way | 17:02 |
| rm_you | Lahiru: just curious, could you not install becomeroot package like you probably did on your non-kde setup? | 17:03 |
| Lahiru | rm_you: they all were their | 17:04 |
| Lahiru | rm_you: when I typed gainroot it worked | 17:04 |
| Luria | rm_you, if he's dual booting whatever goes on in maemo shouldnt affect kde, no? | 17:04 |
| Lahiru | I'm not dual booting.. installed from .debs | 17:04 |
| Luria | oh | 17:05 |
| rm_you | oh | 17:05 |
| rm_you | lol | 17:05 |
| Luria | i have no idea then, go with god. | 17:05 |
| rm_you | Lahiru: then type sudo gainroot, and then set the password yourself | 17:05 |
| rm_you | passwd? | 17:05 |
| rm_you | ACK! | 17:05 |
| Lahiru | rm_you: just now did it | 17:05 |
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| rm_you | it's 7am... i have to go to sleep! >_< | 17:06 |
| Lahiru | rm_you: cool :) THANKS | 17:06 |
| Lahiru | rm_you: Bye | 17:06 |
| rm_you | bbl :) | 17:06 |
| zoran | Lahiru, what pass did you actualy change: root of user? | 17:06 |
| Lahiru | root | 17:06 |
| Lahiru | zoran: root | 17:07 |
| zoran | u could confirm that using ssh | 17:07 |
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| Lahiru | I confirmed tht using KDE :) | 17:07 |
| zoran | heh | 17:07 |
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| |tbb| | rm_you: gnite | 17:10 |
| * petergunn is downloading KDE debs | 17:10 | |
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| Lahiru | petergunn: I reflashed my device three times while trying install KDE debs | 17:13 |
| petergunn | any reason or did the install just hang? | 17:15 |
| * petergunn has to lock his n800 in the refridgerator after each flash to pair his cell phone | 17:15 | |
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| Lahiru | I got breaked the last package.. it didn't get installed several times.. and when it's broke I couldn't boot my device.. | 17:17 |
| petergunn | anyone got md5sums for the debs? | 17:18 |
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| Lahiru | petergunn: letme check | 17:19 |
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| khertan | Hi again | 17:28 |
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| * Jaffa rants - again - on bug #303 still not being fixed. | 17:35 | |
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| terraces | khertan: ? | 17:39 |
| hugolp | anyone can tell me wat file do I have to edit for user user to become a sudoer? | 17:39 |
| terraces | can I message you khertan (about n810 french discount codes) ? | 17:39 |
| hugolp | I allredy have changed the user and root passwords | 17:40 |
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| alterego | Hmmm, this was probably a bad idea. I've not setup a maemo SDK yet ^_^ | 17:41 |
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| melmoth | hugolp: as root type visudo | 17:43 |
| khertan | terraces: yes i m here | 17:44 |
| khertan | and of course u can :) | 17:45 |
| K-Fox | is it possible to use palm os's appl on n810 | 17:45 |
| khertan | K-Fox: it s possible with the emulator provided by access | 17:46 |
| K-Fox | wow~~ | 17:46 |
| hugolp | melmoth: and what do I have to change in that file? | 17:47 |
| khertan | K-Fox: but it s an emulator ... not all program will run... | 17:47 |
| khertan | specially those who use library created by Palm and not integreted in the system ... treoweather for example | 17:48 |
| K-Fox | umm.. | 17:49 |
| khertan | but most of palm program will run | 17:50 |
| K-Fox | ok | 17:51 |
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| khertan | someone have try to compile python-hildondesktop ? | 17:52 |
| khertan | ./configure --prefix=/opt/hildon | 17:52 |
| khertan | oups ww | 17:52 |
| K-Fox | porting to maemo | 17:53 |
| melmoth | hugolp: try adding "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" | 17:56 |
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| melmoth | then user could launch any command as root with "sudo command" (he will still be prompted for the user password though) | 17:56 |
| melmoth | i think you can append a NOPASSWORD or NOPASS (man sudoers, the worst man page ever :-) for more info) | 17:57 |
| K-Fox | is it possible porting most of x86 application to maemo? | 17:58 |
| lcuk | fox - which os is the original wrote in | 17:58 |
| lcuk | ^for | 17:58 |
| K-Fox | ubuntu suse gentoo debian redhat | 18:00 |
| keesj | khertan: perhaps this is also fun/usefull http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/ | 18:00 |
| keesj | K-Fox: yes, and usualy it is really only a recompile | 18:01 |
| K-Fox | really? | 18:02 |
| keesj | K-Fox: but porting apps that have a UI is a different story | 18:02 |
| keesj | K-Fox: yes, what are you thinking about? | 18:03 |
| khertan | keesj: hum ... maybe ... but i'm trying to finish the hildondesktop binding for maemo | 18:04 |
| lcuk | Fox - yes apps can be ported, but some dont work well in the environment because of being designed for desktop rather than tablet | 18:04 |
| khertan | as noone seems interested in it | 18:04 |
| khertan | the purpose is to be able to create hildon home screenlet in python | 18:05 |
| khertan | instead of c | 18:05 |
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| keesj | khertan: for on maemo or on the desktop? | 18:06 |
| khertan | for on maemo ... on the tablet | 18:07 |
| khertan | at this time ... python widget can't be used | 18:07 |
| khertan | on os2008 | 18:07 |
| keesj | you want to do something like http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hÂildon-desktop/ | 18:08 |
| khertan | there is a project made by luca | 18:08 |
| khertan | but is a bit abandonned | 18:08 |
| K-Fox | wow n810 is unlimited than PDA | 18:08 |
| khertan | and i m trying to build it ... with a simple modification | 18:08 |
| lcuk | fox - its linux - the penguin has super powers | 18:08 |
| khertan | but at this time ... i'm trying to build it without | 18:08 |
| hugolp | melmoth: thanks, that worked | 18:09 |
| keesj | khertan: When I saw that post I did not understand how that was supposed to work. will a python interpreter be initialize for every widget? | 18:09 |
| hugolp | melmoth: have another problem, dont know if you can help me too | 18:09 |
| khertan | keesj: there is a launcher in c | 18:10 |
| hugolp | Im trying to run "./configure" as root but I get a sh: ./configure: Permission denied | 18:10 |
| hugolp | I dont see how I can be denied as root | 18:10 |
| khertan | and a interpreter is run only when widget is refreshed | 18:10 |
| khertan | hugolp: configure isn't suffisant ... :) | 18:10 |
| hugolp | whats suffisant? | 18:10 |
| khertan | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b | 18:10 |
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| khertan | it should build the package ... but as scratchbox use python2.3 .... its fails ... | 18:11 |
| melmoth | hugolp: sounds like you are doing this on a partition where you cannot execute stuff... | 18:11 |
| hugolp | khertan: you are saying that I have to do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b instead of ./configure? | 18:11 |
| melmoth | you are not trying to compile stuff on your tablet's memory card, are you ? | 18:11 |
| hugolp | yep | 18:12 |
| khertan | now but i don't want to paste all line :) | 18:12 |
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| melmoth | hugolp: its vfat, not executable if i recall correctly | 18:12 |
| khertan | before do an autogen | 18:12 |
| hugolp | melmoth: ok, Ill compile in the internal memory | 18:12 |
| melmoth | i would use scratchbox if i were you. | 18:12 |
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| khertan | the problem is that when i try to compile with python2.5 using scratchbox i get sem_post: Function not implemented | 18:13 |
| khertan | so i'm trying to correct this | 18:13 |
| melmoth | what are you trying to compile ? | 18:13 |
| hugolp | melmoth: gnet | 18:14 |
| tyrionlannister | Python is a scripting language.. | 18:14 |
| khertan | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/python-hildondesktop | 18:14 |
| khertan | tyrionlannister: serious ? | 18:14 |
| hugolp | Ive compiled some things in scratchbox but I wanted to check how to do it in the N800 directly | 18:14 |
| melmoth | hugolp: see http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/ | 18:14 |
| tyrionlannister | youam: shouldn't really need to compile anything, unless you're using python with a second language | 18:14 |
| melmoth | see comment from the 16th of november : Installing qemu-arm-eabi patch into Scratchbox | 18:15 |
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| khertan | it s python binding for hildondesktop lib | 18:15 |
| hugolp | melmoth: I think I read that is better to compile it directly in the N800 than to do it by emulating it with qemu | 18:15 |
| khertan | thx melmoth it s why i m searching fo | 18:15 |
| khertan | for | 18:15 |
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| khertan | arg ... stupid french ubuntu repository ... down again | 18:17 |
| Luria | someone must have threatened it. | 18:17 |
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| unique311 | wow | 18:19 |
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| unique311 | luria you don't like the french or something. that was a low blow. | 18:19 |
| melmoth | khertan: "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main" is working here | 18:20 |
| Andy80 | khertan: use another mirror :) | 18:20 |
| * melmoth waves a "vive la france" flag :) | 18:20 | |
| khertan | you are talking about debian ... not ubuntu :) | 18:20 |
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| Andy80 | khertan: I use ubuntu too :) | 18:21 |
| Andy80 | khertan: you can choose any other mirror | 18:21 |
| khertan | the ubuntu french mirror is a bit undersized ... but other mirror work | 18:21 |
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| khertan | +s | 18:21 |
| Andy80 | khertan: substitute http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ with http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ or something else | 18:22 |
| melmoth | hmm, funnyly enough i just realised i m using belgian repo on my ubuntu box :) | 18:22 |
| khertan | yes it what i ve done ... thx | 18:22 |
| unique311 | melmoth, you wave the flag, but yet took that low blow luria deakt...about someone threatening the french repo. | 18:23 |
| khertan | melmoth: belgian repo is robust ... good server under ... | 18:23 |
| unique311 | dealt | 18:23 |
| melmoth | hugolp: recompiling gnet worked out of the box here. | 18:23 |
| melmoth | hugolp: i apt-get source gnet from etch, then i just dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in scractchbox. | 18:24 |
| melmoth | it just worked. | 18:24 |
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| melmoth | lets try with armel | 18:24 |
| Luria | actually, it was a well timed preemptive strike. | 18:24 |
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| khertan | hum ... do you know an gtk ftp program with a light gui that could be easy to use on maemo ? | 18:25 |
| Luria | but when the defense is maginot line... | 18:25 |
| khertan | lol | 18:25 |
| khertan | we can't say nothing about this great and beautiful maginot line | 18:25 |
| fysa | how well does gngeo run? | 18:26 |
| khertan | noone passed it ... it s robust ... and noone destroy it | 18:26 |
| khertan | :) | 18:26 |
| fysa | does biomotor unitron run? | 18:26 |
| Luria | nope. no need to destroy a defense that you can drive around. | 18:27 |
| hugolp | is it true what I read that its better to compile the armel package directly onto the N800 and not with the emulator or its just nonsense? | 18:27 |
| khertan | Luria: yes this was a joke | 18:27 |
| Luria | i know :-) | 18:27 |
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| khertan | hugolp: you ll most the time be out of memory ... and take many time to do this | 18:28 |
| melmoth | hugolp: i got libgnet2.0-0_2.0.7-1_armel.deb and the dev package for armel without having to chaneg anything | 18:28 |
| hugolp | melmoth: good | 18:28 |
| tyrionlannister | Why not just use pluthon if you're developing a python app? | 18:28 |
| khertan | Luria: but everybody now that chirurgical strike doesn't hurt anyone | 18:29 |
| hugolp | so basically compiling directly on the N800 is a no way? | 18:29 |
| melmoth | i dont know, i never had to compile on it. | 18:29 |
| Luria | what's really sad is that napoleon was the one who famously chewed out a adjutant for suggesting a broad line deployment as a defense... asking whether he was looking to defend territory or interdict smuggling. | 18:29 |
| khertan | tyrionlannister: i m not developping a python app ... i m finishing a python module to be able to write my python app | 18:29 |
| melmoth | hugolp: would you like me to upload the packages and sources somewhere ? | 18:30 |
| melmoth | otherwise, i ll just delete them :) | 18:30 |
| tyrionlannister | aCiDBaSe: new module, or are you adding an existing one to your emulated environment? | 18:30 |
| tyrionlannister | This autoreply sucks | 18:30 |
| khertan | Luria: hum ... 200 years ago | 18:31 |
| khertan | tyrionlannister: lol | 18:31 |
| hugolp | melmoth: Ill just compile them myself. Thanks anyway | 18:31 |
| khertan | hugolp: it s ok for small app... but more difficult for large project | 18:31 |
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| hugolp | khertan: ok, so the proper way is to compile it in scratchbox with armel target right? | 18:32 |
| hugolp | I read somewhere that the emulator could have mistakes and that for the final version it was better to compile it with the N800 natively | 18:33 |
| Luria | yeah, thats the paranoid way | 18:33 |
| Luria | which is probably good | 18:33 |
| Luria | cause they *are* out to get you. | 18:33 |
| Luria | yes, you hugolp. | 18:33 |
| Luria | they are watching. | 18:34 |
| khertan | hugolp: right | 18:34 |
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| khertan | hugolp: there is for a example a problem when u try to compile python module .... but it seems there is a solution that i m trying : http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html | 18:35 |
| Andy80 | khertan: uh... that is my blog :) | 18:35 |
| hugolp | khertan: ok | 18:36 |
| Andy80 | hugolp: I can assure it works, after you install the patch | 18:36 |
| fysa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO:_Alien_Invasion | 18:37 |
| hugolp | Andy80: fine | 18:38 |
| hugolp | going to try now | 18:38 |
| Andy80 | ok | 18:39 |
| khertan | Andy80: thx for the post ! | 18:39 |
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| fysa | ooo | 18:40 |
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| fysa | maybe this is a good project. | 18:40 |
| fysa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO:_Alien_Invasion - uses id Tech 2 (Q2) engine | 18:40 |
| khertan | do u know how i can replace python (2.3) from scratchbox by python2.5 ? | 18:40 |
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| Andy80 | khertan: yes.... look here: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/sdk_installation.html | 18:41 |
| fysa | http://ufoai.ninex.info/gallery/maps/base03.jpg.php | 18:41 |
| fysa | http://ufoai.ninex.info/gallery/ingame-screenshots/grenade_launcher.jpg.php | 18:42 |
| jeddy3 | hmmm, why doesn't mediaplayer want to play my tablet-encoded moviefile...? :/ | 18:42 |
| fysa | could translate well to touchscreen | 18:42 |
| khertan | Andy80: it install python2.5 ... but dont replace the original | 18:42 |
| tyrionlannister | I like pluthon better than scratchbox for Python development.. Are there any added benefits to using scratchbox for python development? | 18:42 |
| fysa | jeddy3: you try mplayer yet? | 18:42 |
| fysa | works much much better than mediaplayer | 18:42 |
| khertan | so when a autogen is run it always include python2.3 | 18:42 |
| fysa | I don't have to tablet-encode 'standard' XVID/DIVX files | 18:42 |
| jeddy3 | fysa, no, i can't find any mplayer packages for os2008 | 18:42 |
| khertan | and the autoconf fails | 18:42 |
| tyrionlannister | Maybe I'm missing out on something, pluthon just seems a lot easier | 18:43 |
| Andy80 | khertan: uhm... right infact I started python2.5 :\ | 18:43 |
| khertan | i ve replace the /usr/bin/python and make a symlink ... but doesn't seems to be enougth | 18:43 |
| jeddy3 | fysa, well i find it on maemo.org, but when i try to run the one click install, package manager says it's not there :P | 18:43 |
| lcuk | fysa - ive not had much luck with mplayer - it is more unstable than builtin for the movies i have tried | 18:43 |
| khertan | Andy80: a idea ? | 18:44 |
| fysa | I don't know where you find your package from, but mine is rock solid.. but haven't updated since the pre-christmas beta | 18:44 |
| * lcuk wanted it to work | 18:44 | |
| melmoth | jeddy3: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/install/mplayer.install | 18:44 |
| Andy80 | khertan: really not :\ I didn't care about that thing... | 18:44 |
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| jeddy3 | yeah, builtin player seems pretty ok, but still, it down right _refuses_ to play this file | 18:44 |
| khertan | Andy80: snif | 18:44 |
| melmoth | jeddy3: it worked on mine. | 18:44 |
| Andy80 | khertan: you could try to ask on pymaemo mailing list | 18:44 |
| lcuk | i had one converted from the nokia converter which just would not play with either | 18:45 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 18:45 | |
| fysa | problem with builtin player is it's only half as capable as mplayer, bitrate-wise | 18:45 |
| fysa | maybe that's improved with os2008.. | 18:45 |
| lcuk | does nokia converter actually change the codec or just downgrade the res using the movies builtin codec | 18:45 |
| tyrionlannister | khertan: Why are you setting up the emulated environment to run python when you can develop straight to your tablet with pluthon? | 18:45 |
| fysa | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046 | 18:46 |
| lcuk | fysa - but using nokioa convert it should make any movie work on on nokia at playable bitrate | 18:46 |
| fysa | yes, but wh y? | 18:46 |
| fysa | I can encode from DVD to standard XVID for TV | 18:46 |
| fysa | and play the same file on N800 without any change | 18:46 |
| lcuk | ahhhh | 18:46 |
| * lcuk sees now | 18:46 | |
| fysa | that's the advantage of the extra efficiency of mplayer.. | 18:47 |
| lcuk | but it wont player hdtv movies i got | 18:47 |
| fysa | not that I officially support such things.. | 18:47 |
| lcuk | (none of them will) | 18:47 |
| fysa | but standard SD-rips you find on usenet and bittorrent will mostly play | 18:47 |
| fysa | for HD, I recommend mediaserv | 18:47 |
| fysa | if you have a linux server.. | 18:47 |
| lcuk | standard sdtv rips are harder to find - less seeds | 18:47 |
| fysa | if spawns a mencoder instance that will transcode in real-time | 18:47 |
| lcuk | do the ipod encoded files (mp4) work on nokia? | 18:48 |
| fysa | uses tablet-encode in real-time | 18:48 |
| fysa | fast enough for me to stream 720p x264 from my Athlon 64 3200+ | 18:48 |
| lcuk | cos they show up quite high on torrent searches | 18:48 |
| fysa | they probably work with mplayer | 18:48 |
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| fysa | mplayer on the tablet can basically play anything that mplayer on any other platform can play.. | 18:49 |
| lcuk | canola uses mplayer for movies doesnt it | 18:49 |
| fysa | but x264 isn't very optimized yet for arm | 18:49 |
| fysa | videocenter can | 18:49 |
| fysa | basically, mediaserv creates RSS feeds for each folder on your media server | 18:49 |
| alterego | I lost a damn stylus >:( | 18:49 |
| fysa | then you use videocenter to 'subscribe' to the feeds | 18:49 |
| lcuk | :O alter - i dread the day i do that | 18:49 |
| alterego | I now only have one. | 18:49 |
| fysa | so all media automatically shows up in videocenter, organized by TV/, Movies/, etc | 18:50 |
| alterego | I'm sure it'll turn up eventually. | 18:50 |
| fysa | then you can configure videocenter to launch mplayer.. | 18:50 |
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| fysa | I've yet to have something that doesn't play this way.. | 18:50 |
| lcuk | i lost the specific one for my pda and cursed every time i used a generic | 18:50 |
| fysa | even 1080i HD .ts | 18:50 |
| alterego | I guess it's karma telling my I should have a spring clean. | 18:50 |
| lcuk | speaking of karma - i havents seen any name is earl recently | 18:51 |
| * lcuk goes hunting the torrents | 18:51 | |
| Luria | umm strike? | 18:51 |
| lcuk | :( | 18:51 |
| lcuk | ur right | 18:51 |
| Luria | sigh. dcau got replaced with this kids crap. sigh. | 18:52 |
| Andy80 | I've to try a thing when I've time.... I want to install the upnp server on my dreambox and try to view the recorded videos from the n810 :) | 18:52 |
| lcuk | hahaha - i have an episode avail | 18:52 |
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| khertan | tyrionlannister: I SAY FOR THE 3d TIME THAT I NOT DEV IN PYTHON BUT COMPILE A C PYTHON MODULE FOR PYTHON | 18:53 |
| tyrionlannister | calm down, friend | 18:53 |
| tyrionlannister | It's just your computer | 18:54 |
| jeddy3 | melmoth, nope, it says cannot install: cannot find package | 18:54 |
| jeddy3 | melmoth, although something is wrong with my package-manager, it also cannot upgrade some packages, as map application | 18:54 |
| * lcuk compiles a module for khertan (chillpill.ko) and installs it onto his bios | 18:55 | |
| tyrionlannister | I was trying to help you towards your goal of " to be able to write my python app" | 18:55 |
| khertan | sorry ... a bit stressed by this thing called 'scratchbox' ... | 18:55 |
| * Jaffa belatedly points out that files for the iPod (obviously without DRM) work very well in the built-in Media Player | 18:55 | |
| Jaffa | (on OS 2008 at least) | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Nokia's ITVC has loads of licenced codecs (e.g. MPEG-2 etc.) for reading and then encodes to MP4 | 18:55 |
| * khertan kernel panic | 18:55 | |
| lcuk | Jaffa - just what i wanted to hear - theres loads of tv shows encoded for ipod | 18:56 |
| Jaffa | AIUI, mplayer doesn't do MP4 that well on maemo | 18:56 |
| * khertan kernel panic : scratchbox overflow | 18:56 | |
| Jaffa | ssvb's concentrated on DivX/Xvid/MP4 video with MP3 audio | 18:56 |
| Luria | you know what's sad? the eeepc is probably better for gaming than this laptop | 18:56 |
| lcuk | thanks | 18:56 |
| tyrionlannister | You don't need scratchbox or an emulated environment to write a python app, thereby ending your need to get the c module compiled | 18:56 |
| k-s | lcuk: canola does, but it maybe be slower than regular mplayer due different VO usage | 18:56 |
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| k-s | lcuk: we use XV, while regular mplayer uses Nokia_770 | 18:56 |
| jeddy3 | does anybody have an idea why this videofile doensn't work, what are built in mediaplayers limitations? is it picky about resolutions in video? | 18:57 |
| tyrionlannister | Get the eclipse plugin Pluthon, which will SCP your files to your nokia and then run it, letting you develop live | 18:57 |
| lcuk | tyrion - if the guy is trying to compile some c source (whatever the use) he needs to target it to the ARM. whether or not he wants to use that final module within python | 18:57 |
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| * lcuk edits python files using windows box and uses SCP to transfer back to the n810 after editing and just runs with a single command line | 18:59 | |
| * lcuk will need much more to be able to compile c source code into ARM assembly | 18:59 | |
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| khertan | tyrionlannister: i prefer to use PyGTKEditor to dev onboard ... | 19:00 |
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| lcuk | k-s i will bear that in mind and try all environments when movies give me problems (hopefully never...) | 19:01 |
| * Luria is off looking at reports on how eclipse runs on an eee | 19:02 | |
| alterego | It was in the flippin' kitchen. | 19:02 |
| lcuk | khertan - i like pygtkeditor, but do you know a way to allow it to open python files from file manager? | 19:02 |
| Jaffa | Luria: I've not tried on mine yet, probably want a memory upgrade over the default 512MB RAM | 19:02 |
| Luria | jaffa, which one do you have? | 19:03 |
| jeddy3 | ok, please don't beat me now...but how did you "fix" your maemo repositores? I though i did that but repository.maemo.org still generates an error with apt-get | 19:03 |
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| khertan | lcuk: yes ... in the next release :) | 19:04 |
| lcuk | :D bonus | 19:04 |
| khertan | lcuk: the current dev version i have can do this :) | 19:04 |
| * lcuk wipes his brow. i was gettin frustrated at that | 19:04 | |
| lcuk | are you the main dev? or just beta testing | 19:05 |
| Jaffa | Luria: 701. 4GB SSD, 512MB RAM. White. Very nice, cheap laptop. Not as exciting as N810 | 19:05 |
| * Jaffa pubs. | 19:05 | |
| Luria | surf or non surf? | 19:05 |
| Luria | im thinking about a 4gb non-surf | 19:05 |
| Luria | to supplement my n800 | 19:05 |
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| Luria | i just wish the screen resolution werent so go awful. | 19:06 |
| Luria | god awful | 19:06 |
| lcuk | on which device? | 19:06 |
| Luria | on the eee | 19:07 |
| Luria | same resolution as a nokia | 19:07 |
| lcuk | yer - its same as 8x0 | 19:07 |
| lcuk | for a larger device i can see it being frustrating | 19:07 |
| Jon | the keyboard is the most annoying thing about the eeepc, imho. the screen I can live with | 19:07 |
| Luria | im surprised one of the carpc guys hasnt ripped apart the lcd and replaced the panel | 19:08 |
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| khertan | lcuk: i'm the main dev | 19:08 |
| Luria | whats wrong with the keyboard? | 19:08 |
| lcuk | ive seen touchscreen added to eee | 19:08 |
| Luria | yes, i saw the touchscreen, hsdpa, and bluetooth hacks | 19:08 |
| khertan | lcuk: for the next release i ve include auto-indent | 19:09 |
| khertan | and some other things | 19:09 |
| lcuk | khertan :) then may i say thank you - i couldnt type on 810 without it | 19:09 |
| khertan | hehe | 19:09 |
| lcuk | (has no tab key :() | 19:09 |
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| khertan | ouch ... not fun the no tab | 19:09 |
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| Luria | Jon, what's up with the keyboard. im thinking about seriously buying one today | 19:10 |
| khertan | so it why someone ask me to add an icon that emulate a tab in the toolbar | 19:10 |
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| lcuk | its ok - im seriously thinking about remaping either the centre D pad, or the Q key | 19:10 |
| * lcuk cant think of many commands with Q in their name in python | 19:10 | |
| khertan | lcuk: if you wait a minute i can send you the dev version :) | 19:10 |
| lcuk | i would like that very much, but i cannot test until the football starts (missis has nicked it for mahjong!) | 19:11 |
| * lcuk goes and gets it | 19:11 | |
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| We | hi guys | 19:12 |
| We | friends | 19:12 |
| We | i find a problem | 19:12 |
| Jon | Luria: it's just very small. Mind you I'm used to a thinkpad X40. I expect you could get used to the eeepc one with time; I only borrowed it for a week or so | 19:12 |
| We | please help | 19:12 |
| We | :( | 19:13 |
| lcuk | khertan, have it now - its hard work sometimes getting it back from her | 19:13 |
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| Luria | it doesnt look too bad | 19:13 |
| We | holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 19:14 |
| lcuk | we - it helps if you let us know the problem - no1 is going to offer blindly help ;) | 19:14 |
| We | ok | 19:14 |
| We | please read here | 19:14 |
| We | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13225 | 19:14 |
| We | this problem | 19:14 |
| We | for n810 left speaker | 19:14 |
| We | is it true? | 19:14 |
| khertan | lcuk: i send u in dcc ? | 19:15 |
| * dhd has stuff running on the DSP and actually working | 19:15 | |
| dhd | very exciting | 19:15 |
| lcuk | i dunno what dcc is but ive got a download request thing up | 19:15 |
| khertan | it s that :) | 19:16 |
| khertan | doesn't seems to pass ... firewalled ? | 19:16 |
| We | : | 19:16 |
| blast007 | DCC rarely works | 19:16 |
| lcuk | only *cough* standard windows | 19:16 |
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| * lcuk is ashamed | 19:16 | |
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| Bart_Simpson | CARAMBA § | 19:17 |
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| We | ????// | 19:17 |
| Khertan | hi Tahitibob | 19:17 |
| We | can u someone tell me this? | 19:18 |
| Khertan | We: don't have one... | 19:18 |
| Khertan | lcuk: u can get it here : khertan.net/maemo/pygtkeditor-2.1.0a.all.deb | 19:19 |
| Khertan | +http:// | 19:19 |
| Khertan | it s an alpha not official | 19:19 |
| lcuk | got it :) | 19:19 |
| lcuk | thanks ill copy it on now | 19:19 |
| We | [20:45:40] [We]: ok | 19:19 |
| We | [20:45:50] [We]: please read here | 19:19 |
| We | [20:45:51] [We]: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13225 | 19:19 |
| We | [20:45:56] [We]: this problem | 19:19 |
| We | [20:46:05] [We]: for n810 left speaker | 19:19 |
| We | [20:46:08] [We]: is it true? | 19:19 |
| lcuk | do i need to uninstall | 19:19 |
| lcuk | old one first | 19:19 |
| Khertan | We: we can't say as many dev still waiting her n810 !!! | 19:19 |
| Khertan | lcuk: no need | 19:20 |
| Khertan | there is now a prefs menu ... not all thing works yet | 19:20 |
| Khertan | default language for example | 19:20 |
| lcuk | we - it might be an acoustic issue with design of 810 itself - you have a thread on ITT already so ppl are reading, theres no point in shouting for an instant answer | 19:20 |
| lcuk | ill try it out and let you know | 19:21 |
| lcuk | did you put the virtual tab in or is that on the todo | 19:21 |
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| Khertan | lcuk: not yet | 19:21 |
| lcuk | okies - ill prob end up remapping dpad key | 19:21 |
| Khertan | the tab and defaultlanguage not working is the main reason why it s not release :) | 19:22 |
| lcuk | is it wrote in python itself? | 19:22 |
| Khertan | yes | 19:22 |
| lcuk | cool | 19:22 |
| Khertan | it s write in python in the device itself with pygtkeditor as editor :) | 19:22 |
| lcuk | this why you wanted the c module compiling earlier - for use inside here | 19:22 |
| We | :) thank u guys | 19:22 |
| Khertan | and it s packaged in | 19:23 |
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| Khertan | onboard with pypackager :) | 19:23 |
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| melmoth | if you are coding on the device itself, i underestand why you are so eager to get a n810 with a _keyboard_ :) | 19:23 |
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| Khertan | lcuk: the module i try to compile is more for making home applet in python :) | 19:23 |
| melmoth | it must be horrible to code with stylus or thumb kb | 19:23 |
| Khertan | no really choice :) 3h30 of train by day | 19:24 |
| lcuk | khertan - there is a guy in here comes on late night called rm_you who is getting a brightness applet up and running and i know hes using C | 19:24 |
| lcuk | might be an idea to find him :) | 19:24 |
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| lcuk | kher have u got a BT keyboard | 19:25 |
| Khertan | lcuk: my problem isn't the lib hildondesktop ... but more using python2.5 in scratchbox :) | 19:25 |
| Khertan | lcuk: no btkeyboard | 19:25 |
| lcuk | then your app is all the more impressive | 19:25 |
| Khertan | thx | 19:25 |
| lcuk | your thumbs must be super thick | 19:26 |
| Khertan | in fact all the app you can found on my site is onboard dev... also the palm applications :) | 19:26 |
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| Khertan | i come back in 5 min | 19:26 |
| tyrionlannister | That's a lot of work | 19:26 |
| lcuk | ok :) | 19:26 |
| tyrionlannister | I've told you already you don't need the emulated environment to develop from your PC.. Just check out pluthon, you'll see what I mean if you try it | 19:27 |
| * lcuk bookmarks khertans site and has a rummage around | 19:27 | |
| lcuk | tyr - he has his own dev env already - written in python itself, not a plugin for another ide | 19:29 |
| tyrionlannister | I know, it's an onboard environment | 19:29 |
| lcuk | so he wants to allow continued development using his editor | 19:30 |
| lcuk | but not directly on the device itself | 19:30 |
| lcuk | i think | 19:30 |
| tyrionlannister | Ah, I see | 19:30 |
| tyrionlannister | Odd | 19:30 |
| lcuk | not really | 19:30 |
| lcuk | if you put work into your own ide (which pygtkeditor is) then why should he have to use competing product to work on his own? | 19:30 |
| tyrionlannister | It's definitely something to be proud of, but it seems to have been made for a specific use and it has limitations | 19:31 |
| lcuk | only has limitations for now because scratchbox config is a little out of his reach - its something that if a scratchbox guru sat down with him i am sure he will overcome | 19:32 |
| tyrionlannister | I use the editor onboard myself.. On my desktop I like something with project management tools, like Mylyn, and auto-completion and method lookups | 19:32 |
| lcuk | we rip microsoft for not eating their own dogfood, theres nothing more satisfying than developing code using your own tools | 19:32 |
| * lcuk thinks khertan likes the taste of his dogfood | 19:33 | |
| We | yes right | 19:33 |
| Khertan | re | 19:34 |
| tyrionlannister | I can see that. The app would be out of it's scope but I guess the sense of achievement might be worthwhile | 19:34 |
| alterego | Anyone used a Class 6 SD card with the N810? Do they work at 6Mb/s | 19:34 |
| Khertan | tyrionlannister: are u the dev of pluthon ? because you are repeating this word all the time you heard the word python ... | 19:36 |
| tyrionlannister | Nope | 19:36 |
| Khertan | maybe you are a bot ? or havent understood that i can't use pluthon on the device ... | 19:37 |
| Khertan | as i dev in the train | 19:37 |
| Khertan | and it s not really train but mainly metro | 19:37 |
| lcuk | kherton, you have a long commute, which city do you work in | 19:38 |
| lcuk | ^a | 19:38 |
| Khertan | i work in the south of Paris ... but i live 50km in the north of Paris ... :) | 19:38 |
| lcuk | wow - how long have you been doing that run? | 19:39 |
| Khertan | 2 years now ... | 19:39 |
| zoran | concidered buying the plane? | 19:39 |
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| lcuk | cant you convince your boss to let you tele-commute, infact forget that - make him move you further so you dev faster ;) | 19:39 |
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| lcuk | and make you work weekends | 19:40 |
| Khertan | lol | 19:40 |
| zoran | sometimes is the very presence necessary | 19:41 |
| lcuk | i have a friend who lives in (hope i get this right) st ettienne suburb of paris | 19:41 |
| Khertan | it s a choice ... instead of living inside Paris ... for the same price of a small 60m2 Apartment, where i am ... i ve a 160m2 House | 19:42 |
| Khertan | with a nice garden :) | 19:42 |
| lcuk | and big treetrunk thumbs from working on n800 | 19:42 |
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| zoran | Khertan, does it mean 2 x 3.5 hrs? | 19:43 |
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| lcuk | i would hope not, 50km in 3.5 hours is cycling speed | 19:45 |
| lcuk | can you code and ride at same time? | 19:45 |
| DuneSandWorm | I can not find any application to capture video with the n800 camera.. any ideas... | 19:45 |
| lcuk | dune, using os2007 still or os2008 | 19:46 |
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| DuneSandWorm | os2008 | 19:46 |
| Moox | hi there. Using mediaserv and videocenter, os2008, I got an 'invalid service address' when I add the RSS feed in videocenter. Using the browser, the url is correct. any idea ? | 19:47 |
| Khertan | zoran: 2x 1h45 | 19:47 |
| zoran | goooood | 19:48 |
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| lcuk | dune, not sure - i know some ppl had success with 2007, but havent heard anything yet for '08 | 19:48 |
| * lcuk hasnt looked tbh | 19:48 | |
| DuneSandWorm | lcuk, thnx | 19:48 |
| lcuk | try a google search nad theres some hits - followups and comments might give some more concrete answers | 19:49 |
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| nick_fn | Does anyone know if Abiword and Gnumeric are actually available for OS2007? All ports I find are too old. | 19:50 |
| Khertan | for more information about controlling | 19:51 |
| Khertan | oups ww | 19:51 |
| lcuk | right, im gonna go and take a look at khertans beta :) | 19:51 |
| lcuk | ooh speak of the devil ;) | 19:51 |
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| DuneSandWorm | lcuk, looks like I need to port an app myself to get one 2 wrk, what abot a better voice recorder than "recorder", recorder is ok, bt surely, there is another, I hate reinventing the wheel. looks like the Kde port would give me more apps though. | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | khertan, i cannot install - updates sourceview component required | 19:57 |
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| Khertan | bash: /scratchbox/tools/bin/chmod: No such file or directory | 19:58 |
| Khertan | lcuk: oups ... get the sourceview on my site : http://khertan.net/softwares/pygtkeditor.php | 19:58 |
| lcuk | will that one be correct - i could just add your repo - latest is dated 26 dec from what i can see | 19:59 |
| lcuk | tis ok i can see | 19:59 |
| Khertan | don't use my repository ... it is broken | 19:59 |
| lcuk | thanks will get them lol | 19:59 |
| Khertan | i'm not an expert of debian repos :) | 20:00 |
| Khertan | someone have the same problem ? chmod don't exist in armel target in my sbox ... | 20:00 |
| lcuk | its ok im not an export on anything... just have willing to try | 20:01 |
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| * lcuk runs back across the room to test (will get fit somehow...) | 20:02 | |
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| Khertan | chmod disapears from scratchbox when i retrieve python .... pffff | 20:05 |
| Khertan | /s/retrieve/remove | 20:05 |
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| Lahiru | [http://picasaweb.google.com/llahiru/MyN800WithKDE] | 20:08 |
| Lahiru | anyone tried to run firefox on KDE? :) | 20:09 |
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| timely | people do it | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | wow - on os008, can someone confirm if you double tap on a menu item from the main app menu does the second tap open the app from the respective place in "my selection" - ie trying to open "Utilities/file manager" from the menu actually opens Filemanager and map. | 20:14 |
| timely | typically, yes | 20:14 |
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| timely | map was the most common example | 20:14 |
| timely | i'm not sure anyone bothered to file a bug in bugs.maemo.org | 20:14 |
| timely | if you can't find one, please file it | 20:14 |
| lcuk | well thats a load of bunkum! its been bugging me as to why it opens | 20:14 |
| dolfun | wow, dent in n810 after day one on the road (in soft case) | 20:14 |
| lcuk | i certainly will | 20:14 |
| lcuk | right back to it now - i got pygtkeditor installed and updated :) | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | khertan, doesnt start at all now, will attempt diagnose after my dinner, unless you have any ideas. it shows the "starting "gtkeditor loading" thing then does nothing | 20:17 |
| Khertan | open a term and type : pygtkeditor | 20:17 |
| Khertan | paste me the result | 20:18 |
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| Khertan | oups ... i see ... i upload the wrong package .... | 20:19 |
| Khertan | sorry | 20:19 |
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| Lahiru | dose anyone know how to install firefox on KDE ? :) OS2008 n800 | 20:21 |
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| Khertan | lcuk: sorry i ve upload the wrong package : http://khertan.net/maemo/pygtkeditor-2.1.0b.all.deb | 20:24 |
| oil_ | I wish to promote IRC on maemo and also S60 platform. do we have good clients for these platforms? | 20:25 |
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| oil_ | xChat looks quite ok on N810, but it's still not quite there. | 20:25 |
| tyrionlannister | XChat is great for maemo | 20:25 |
| Jon | pidgin does IRC | 20:26 |
| tyrionlannister | Haha, beat me to it.. I would look at polishing xchat over building a new client.. There is also Pidgin and the RTCOMM plugin | 20:26 |
| oil_ | the client should be more like google talk.. look and feel | 20:26 |
| Jon | xchat is better if IRC is your thing | 20:26 |
| oil_ | I'm looking something which would look good for the masses. to the people who has never used irc before | 20:27 |
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| oil_ | eg. if we think how the skype and google did get so popular. those things did look nice and also work well. | 20:29 |
| oil_ | there is sitll no good chat programs available for mobile devices. | 20:29 |
| tyrionlannister | RTCOMM might be good for that, as it's very simple. Regardless of the client, you'll face the hurdle of educating customers on configuring it to join a server | 20:29 |
| oil_ | tyrionlannister: everything should be preconfigured. | 20:30 |
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| corona_ | why shouldn't "the masses" use any old jabber server? | 20:30 |
| tyrionlannister | You can setup RTCOMM to auto-join a network but I don't think it auto-joins a channel yet | 20:30 |
| oil_ | corona_: why not? correct. the irc has still some userbase and therefore it would be good example of the chat. | 20:31 |
| tyrionlannister | *auto-join when your tablet connects to the internet. No need to even start the application | 20:31 |
| oil_ | if you do a jabber only thing. there is no people waiting for your connection | 20:32 |
| tyrionlannister | If the RTCOMM devs could get channels on specific servers added directly to the Contacts menu, it would fit your need ideally | 20:33 |
| oil_ | how could that be done? | 20:33 |
| tyrionlannister | I'm not certain.. It's still in beta.. Right now to get on IRC, it's "Contacts -> New Chat -> Instant messaging menu -> Chat -> Enter Chat room or Chat Rooms list" | 20:35 |
| oil_ | where I can get that? I'd like to try. | 20:36 |
| tyrionlannister | It's one of the items on the front page of ITT | 20:36 |
| oil_ | my first idea would use for example IRCnet and pre-configure some channels to the client. so that when user first starts the client, there would be some live channels already active | 20:37 |
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| NeoStrider | hello folks! | 20:37 |
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| Lahiru | can we get more debs for KDE on N800? any repository please? | 20:39 |
| tyrionlannister | Hmm.. If you're doing this on your own it might be possible to create a custom XChat package that strips out every server except yours | 20:39 |
| NeoStrider | anyone knows what key corresponds to the "menu key" of the devices? | 20:40 |
| NeoStrider | (I know F4 is for Fullscreen) | 20:40 |
| oil_ | tyrionlannister: actually there could be other servers as well. most important would be to make sure that the end user (not expert) would find the chat usage as easy as possible | 20:41 |
| oil_ | tyrionlannister: now I see the new im menu on the itt. | 20:42 |
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| tyrionlannister | What kind of access will you have to your users' devices? | 20:44 |
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| oil_ | tyrionlannister: I'm thinking of an packet which would be installed to the devices. | 20:46 |
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| NeoStrider | "a little less conversation...a little more action..." | 20:48 |
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| Mousey | hi | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | Khertan, I have installed and can confirm the indenting works nicely :) i have a further suggestion however. If you press return at the end of a definition line ":" could it increase the indent automatically? | 20:52 |
| lcuk | i am aiming to reduce the amount I have to use my tab key and this would remove a lot of them now you have indenting working | 20:53 |
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| moontiger | hi guys ... i have a question if anyone is around | 21:07 |
| moontiger | my n810 file manager can see shared machines and folders across the wireless network but it cant see any of the actual files in those folders | 21:07 |
| moontiger | does anybody have a clue how to fix this? | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | moontiger - it only views shares which are NOT password protected | 21:08 |
| * lcuk ponders this as well | 21:08 | |
| moontiger | hmmmmmm ok ... i deliberately set the shares to not be pw protected | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll probably get an update with the next release. | 21:08 |
| moontiger | oh k ...it kinda sux right now | 21:09 |
| moontiger | :/ | 21:09 |
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| moontiger | thanks for the info tho :) | 21:09 |
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| keesj | moontiger: what kind of shares are we talking about? | 21:10 |
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| moontiger | well i tried a samba share and a windows share | 21:11 |
| moontiger | it sees all of the folders and machines | 21:11 |
| moontiger | but no files | 21:11 |
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| milhouse | moontiger: your shares probably needs a password. | 21:16 |
| moontiger | im guessing that too even tho i specifically set them to be password free | 21:16 |
| Khertan | lcuk: for information python guru recommands to use space instead of tabs .. | 21:16 |
| Khertan | lcuk: but i ll look what i can do :) | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | kher - thats ok, my usual environment uses spaces - and yours does to, its just the tab key gives 4 spaces automatically | 21:17 |
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| lcuk | to my eyes 4 spaces = indent level | 21:17 |
| * czr hugs 2 spaces | 21:18 | |
| lcuk | its just a pain having to do multiple keypresses | 21:18 |
| lcuk | czr i 2 is the default in khertans program as well | 21:18 |
| czr | 2 is good | 21:18 |
| czr | for me at least | 21:18 |
| lcuk | 2 doesnt leave enough space for my eyes | 21:18 |
| lcuk | ive had years of it being at 4 | 21:19 |
| lcuk | hell, i rebelled years ago moving from 8 to 4 ;) | 21:19 |
| czr | I hate when lines go over 80 chars, and with complex code with a lot of nesting, that's a real possibility | 21:19 |
| lcuk | khertan, i will remap my keypad instead | 21:19 |
| lcuk | generic autoindenting is fine without trying to cludge in something language specific | 21:20 |
| alterego | Are we talking about this again? | 21:20 |
| alterego | Everyone who's anyone uses 2 spaces :P | 21:20 |
| czr | heh | 21:20 |
| czr | hey alterego | 21:20 |
| alterego | Hey czr :) | 21:21 |
| lcuk | alter, are you a 4 space man? | 21:21 |
| czr | "great minds use 2 spaces" | 21:21 |
| alterego | Hah, | 21:21 |
| alterego | I'm a 2 space man. 4 spaces is just a waste. | 21:21 |
| lcuk | but if its mapped to the tab key its all the same | 21:21 |
| alterego | I could fit: a=b; in for spaces .. | 21:21 |
| lcuk | apart from my eyes cannot see the difference | 21:21 |
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| alterego | My editors know that if they use 4 space chars then they'll promptly get removed from the computer. | 21:22 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:22 |
| alterego | s/chars/tabs/ | 21:22 |
| infobot | alterego meant: My editors know that if they use 4 space tabs then they'll promptly get removed from the computer. | 21:22 |
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| alterego | I think the basic idea is .. If you use one character indentation, then it's hard to tell whether that is just a line over. Where as you very rarely get 2 spaces mid line .. | 21:23 |
| alterego | But some people still use one space indentation levels .. | 21:23 |
| alterego | They're the people you should _really_ worry about .. | 21:23 |
| czr | I've not seen those in very very long time | 21:24 |
| lcuk | hey - some of the worst developers i know use 0 space indentation ;) | 21:24 |
| alterego | Hah | 21:24 |
| lcuk | do you code in a shell window? | 21:24 |
| czr | what is a shell window? | 21:24 |
| lcuk | dos box | 21:24 |
| hugolp | gtk_scale button is not available in hildon? | 21:24 |
| czr | runs with benzene? | 21:24 |
| alterego | My editors don't let me use 0 space indentation :P If they do then they know that I'll probably nevre use them again. | 21:24 |
| czr | dos box? bleh :-) | 21:24 |
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| alterego | I code in a Terminal yes. | 21:25 |
| czr | lcuk, you want to ask "do you use graphical editors" | 21:25 |
| alterego | I've not found a decent graphical editor yet .. | 21:25 |
| lcuk | lol i probably do | 21:25 |
| czr | neither have I really. | 21:25 |
| lcuk | it explains why you worry about length | 21:25 |
| czr | or they're just too slow to start or smt | 21:25 |
| * lcuk flies to the wind and if you don't have a horizontal scrollbar - tough :P | 21:25 | |
| alterego | I like the look of gedit, but it's got really bad indentation rules :) | 21:25 |
| czr | lcuk, it also explains why I don't spend too much time setting up my programming environment when working on "foreign" systems | 21:26 |
| czr | alterego, indeed. I use it sometimes though. kwrite/kate sometimes just crash on my old school setup. | 21:26 |
| lcuk | i totally understand | 21:26 |
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| alterego | If you use auto indent, and do a double newline. The blank line has a load of spaces/tabs that have no meaning. | 21:26 |
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| czr | but kate really has everything what I need when doing non-coding writing | 21:26 |
| lcuk | in *spit* visual studio .net if you do a double blank line the *beeeeeep* thing reverts indentation back to the start | 21:27 |
| alterego | Kate is nice, but I'm not a KDE fan. So I'd rather not have Qt installed. | 21:27 |
| alterego | lcuk, that's even worse! :D | 21:27 |
| alterego | At least it's easy to write a regexp that removes the space from empty lines .. | 21:27 |
| czr | alterego, I understand that :-). It's similar for me not want to install gnome unless because of deps :-) | 21:28 |
| alterego | :) | 21:28 |
| Khertan | alterego: hum ... great idea ... in the next pygtkeditor release i ll remove blank space in blank line | 21:29 |
| alterego | I need a decent soft case for the N810, I can't stand the one that comes with it. So much so that I've just not been using it O_O | 21:29 |
| alterego | Khertan, good job :) | 21:29 |
| alterego | Khertan, have you added Ruby support yet? | 21:29 |
| Khertan | yes | 21:29 |
| lcuk | khertan - make it an option, and only do it when saving - otherwise you will annoy people who copy/paste and move around and find out their indents have gone | 21:29 |
| alterego | Nice. | 21:29 |
| Khertan | lcuk: yes of course it would be an option | 21:30 |
| alterego | I don't think anyone wants meaningless whitspace. | 21:30 |
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| alterego | I don't think anyone wants meaningless whitespace. | 21:30 |
| Khertan | alterego: i know ... c# dev | 21:30 |
| alterego | O_o | 21:30 |
| alterego | Freaky. | 21:30 |
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| Khertan | don't know why ... maybe microsoft style/guidelines | 21:30 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:30 |
| lcuk | i understand that - but if you do it too soon and i copy a block of nearly blank code which has the space there but then it goes it will become as annoying as visual studio... | 21:31 |
| alterego | I noticed the maemo notes app does weird things with multiple spaces .. | 21:31 |
| czr | mayeb they pay by the characters written | 21:31 |
| czr | s/eb/be/ | 21:31 |
| alterego | Hah. | 21:31 |
| infobot | czr meant: maybe they pay by the characters written | 21:31 |
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| Khertan | in fact now pygtkeditor use sourceview | 21:31 |
| Khertan | as chinook use gtk > 2.6 | 21:31 |
| czr | damn. I wont to do something. but I'm still sick. so I know that if I start something I'll just get a headache | 21:31 |
| Khertan | i ve recompile it for maemo | 21:32 |
| alterego | czr, start working on beer. | 21:32 |
| Khertan | héhé | 21:32 |
| czr | alterego, don't have any.. | 21:32 |
| alterego | I'm off to a friends now to have a few beers. See you all later :) | 21:32 |
| czr | besides, beer isn't the solution for everything (most things yes, but not this particular one :-) | 21:32 |
| czr | later alterego, keep safe.. | 21:32 |
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| Khertan | alterego: do u remember the last time i ve set scratchbox to be able to compile hildondesktop binding for python ... i ve crash my system ... ubuntu powa ... and set scratchbox again ... but now i ve problem with python version in scratchbox | 21:33 |
| Khertan | alterego: do u remember the solution you give me ? | 21:33 |
| lcuk | kher - think hes gone | 21:34 |
| lcuk | did he offer solution in chat here? | 21:34 |
| Khertan | czr: right ... beer is the solution for most thing ... vodka for the rest ... :) | 21:34 |
| czr | Khertan, heh :-) | 21:34 |
| Khertan | lcuk: yes but can found it in the log :) | 21:34 |
| czr | I could probably be forced to drink some cognac, now that everybody is forcing it on me.. | 21:34 |
| lcuk | vodka is best enjoyed in jelly form | 21:34 |
| Khertan | jelly form ? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | kher was just gonna say | 21:35 |
| czr | heh | 21:35 |
| lcuk | yer, jelly vodka | 21:35 |
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| czr | I drank some jelly shots back some days ago | 21:35 |
| lcuk | perfect at adult parties :) | 21:35 |
| czr | served by a very pretty blonde waitress too | 21:35 |
| Khertan | don't understand what jelly means :) | 21:35 |
| Lahiru | hi any KDE developer here>? I'm gonna port some new applications ... | 21:35 |
| Khertan | jelly ... oh ... 'gellé' in french | 21:36 |
| lcuk | wobbly stuff at kids parties :) | 21:36 |
| czr | yeah, they stole the word from american! | 21:36 |
| Khertan | right .... always in jelly forms for vodka ... other is a Sacrilège | 21:37 |
| czr | I normally just drink it straight | 21:37 |
| czr | anything else is really just spoiling the vodka | 21:37 |
| Khertan | héhé | 21:37 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:37 |
| czr | but I guess that's just me (I'm russian) | 21:37 |
| Khertan | jelly ... > i m talking aboot let s the vodka one hour in the freezer then drink it ... nothing else | 21:38 |
| Khertan | s/aboot/about | 21:38 |
| czr | exactly | 21:38 |
| Khertan | it s the only way ... | 21:39 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:39 |
| Khertan | i'm french .. :) | 21:39 |
| lcuk | back later im off shoppin | 21:39 |
| Khertan | ok there is a russian in my far familly | 21:39 |
| czr | Khertan, see! | 21:40 |
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| Khertan | checking for a Python interpreter with version >= 2.4... configure: error: no suitable Python interpreter found | 21:41 |
| Khertan | oups ww | 21:41 |
| Khertan | hum ... maybe someone can help me : so ... i m trying to replace the python in scratchbox by a more recent python2.5, but ... i ve some problem | 21:42 |
| Lahiru | KDE developers for n800?? | 21:42 |
| skibur | ? | 21:43 |
| skibur | KDE | 21:43 |
| skibur | I'm running KDE on my N800 | 21:43 |
| shackan | Khertan: don't build it, use the python2.5 packages, so you have the same python environment on the tablet and in scratchbox | 21:43 |
| Khertan | i ve try this export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python | 21:43 |
| Khertan | shackan: i don't build it ... i try to use it to build :) | 21:43 |
| Khertan | but doesn't seems to work as they say in the doc ... snif | 21:44 |
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| shackan | so you already have 2.5 or what? | 21:44 |
| Khertan | yes ... packages installed | 21:45 |
| Khertan | which python | 21:45 |
| Khertan | /scratchbox/tools/bin/python | 21:45 |
| Khertan | :( | 21:45 |
| Khertan | it use the one installed in scratchbox | 21:45 |
| Khertan | or maybe i can look where python is called in building process to replace it ... but can't found | 21:46 |
| Lahiru | skibur: I would like to port some kde apps for n800 | 21:46 |
| skibur | same here | 21:46 |
| Lahiru | skibur: looking for some guidance :) | 21:47 |
| skibur | Do you have KDE running at the moment? | 21:47 |
| Lahiru | skibur: yes. | 21:47 |
| skibur | Nice, Me too | 21:47 |
| Lahiru | how can we start porting more apps? | 21:47 |
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| Lahiru | skibur: I'm doing some kde devs but not for n800 | 21:48 |
| skibur | I'm waiting for PenguinBait to come online for some Guidance myself | 21:48 |
| Lahiru | skibur: so I need some help to get started :) | 21:48 |
| Lahiru | ah great! | 21:48 |
| skibur | PenguinBait is the one currently working on it | 21:48 |
| Lahiru | skibur: have u started porting | 21:49 |
| Lahiru | yes I was looking for him | 21:49 |
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| skibur | I'm working on my environment | 21:49 |
| skibur | :) | 21:49 |
| j0tt | well the current kde "installation" is not "debianized" so any dependencies (within a deb) would rely on penguinbaits build.. | 21:49 |
| skibur | Lahiru, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=126284#post126284 | 21:50 |
| skibur | look for my comment | 21:50 |
| skibur | correct | 21:50 |
| Lahiru | skibur: Thanks | 21:50 |
| Lahiru | j0tt: ah | 21:51 |
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| * skibur liking KDE 4.0 | 21:52 | |
| * jott just started to build kde4libs :) | 21:53 | |
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| Lahiru | skibur: jott http://picasaweb.google.com/llahiru/MyN800WithKDE | 21:53 |
| skibur | checking... | 21:53 |
| skibur | nice | 21:54 |
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| skibur | skibur.com ---> Early stages of Pixil on Nintendo DS Lite + Linux + GUI | 21:55 |
| skibur | I was helping with that project | 21:55 |
| skibur | :P | 21:55 |
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| Lahiru | cool :) | 21:57 |
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| melmoth | Khertan: dont know if it s related , but yet another python/scratchbox mystery: http://www.nemein.com/people/piotras/view/1200136336.html | 22:04 |
| mbuf | maemo-qemu-sdk.tar.bz2 consists of only binaries or source code as well? | 22:07 |
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| * petergunn666 has just installed KDE | 22:09 | |
| petergunn666 | woohoo! :-) | 22:09 |
| shack008n | how can i remove the 'contacts' panel? | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | In KDE or Matchbox? | 22:10 |
| shack008n | GeneralAntilles: matchbox | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same way you add or remove any other Home applet. | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go to the Home menu. | 22:10 |
| shack008n | nono | 22:10 |
| shack008n | the panel icon on the left bar | 22:11 |
| Khertan | melmoth: same thing | 22:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You don't, shack008n. | 22:11 |
| Khertan | melmoth: scratchbox bind /usr/bin/python in /scratchbox/tools/bin/python | 22:11 |
| shack008n | it just takes up space, ii don't use the default chat and mail clients | 22:11 |
| Khertan | but if you change it by a python2.5 ... chmod don't work as some other standart command ... don't know why | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should at least use the built-in client, Pidgin is nasty on the tablets. :P | 22:12 |
| Khertan | so i m trying to tweak the configure and automake file to use python2.5 instead of python ... | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully rtcomm will release a non-beta update soon. | 22:13 |
| Khertan | but this not work | 22:13 |
| melmoth | Khertan: where did you get the sources/source package from ? | 22:13 |
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| keesj | what is rtcomm? | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | rtcomm.garage.maemo.org | 22:14 |
| shack008n | GeneralAntilles: quite the contrary, pidgin is fine, the default client, even with the beta update, sucks dogs nuts | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bull | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pidgin is gross. | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta keep it open all the time | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | default-client is all nicely automated | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | don't have to manage it all the time | 22:14 |
| shack008n | at least it dooes work | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | rtcomm works fine for me | 22:15 |
| melmoth | Khertan: or, can you put your current sourcetree somewhere ? i have nothing to do for a couple of hours, giving it a try could be...interesting. | 22:15 |
| keesj | GeneralAntilles: so "native" irc client now possible? | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pidgin takes up valuable task switcher space. | 22:15 |
| melmoth | plus, i would love to be able to be able to code python applet too :) | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | keesj, yes, but it's a bit lightweight as an IRC client. | 22:15 |
| shack008n | try entering an irc channel with more than 200 people sand/or using msn | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | xchat is better | 22:15 |
| Khertan | melmoth: i ven't any source tree .. but it 's on stage.maemo.org : svn co https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/python-hildondesktop | 22:16 |
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| melmoth | ok.thanks | 22:16 |
| shack008n | GeneralAntilles: i can save on panel space without the damn contacts icon | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Eh, well that's not an option right now. | 22:17 |
| shack008n | at least, is there gconf-editor for 2088? | 22:17 |
| shack008n | '2008 | 22:17 |
| czr | gconftool-2 ;-) | 22:21 |
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| oil_ | so, do we have an 'application for masses' irc client for maemo already? | 22:25 |
| melmoth | Khertan: if i do 'export PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2.5' at least, the configure work. | 22:25 |
| Khertan | gnéééééé | 22:26 |
| melmoth | ohh, but then lots of sem_post | 22:26 |
| melmoth | error message as you mentionned | 22:26 |
| Khertan | lol | 22:26 |
| Khertan | that is the fun ... you need a patched version of qemu | 22:26 |
| melmoth | crap. | 22:26 |
| Khertan | export doesn't work on my installation | 22:27 |
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| melmoth | happyly enough, my scractchbox is in a xen machine..I ll just copy it and try to aptch qemu.. If i break everything, who cares :) | 22:28 |
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| zuh | Switching qemu versions in scratchbox is as easy as editing /targets/foo.config and changing the SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD to point to the new one... Pretty safe too, as you can then just revert the change and everything works like it used to. | 22:39 |
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| Khertan | melmoth: http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html | 22:47 |
| Khertan | it work like a charm | 22:47 |
| Iogann_nout | Guys where do I download this video compressoe for n800 | 22:48 |
| Iogann_nout | ? | 22:48 |
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| edt | What key does microG see the select button on the dpad as? | 22:53 |
| edt | Eg left is VF_LEFT what is select? | 22:53 |
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| melmoth | Khertan: compilation of qemu fails with: | 22:56 |
| melmoth | /home/user/qemu/qemu-arm-eabi/trunk/linux-user/syscall.c:409: undefined reference to `inotify_add_watch' | 22:56 |
| melmoth | any idea if it may be just something like a -dev packaeg to install ? | 22:56 |
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| melmoth | like..kernel dev or something ? | 22:57 |
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| melmoth | Khertan: wich package gives inotify.h ? | 23:02 |
| melmoth | hm, i got it /usr/include/linux/inotify.h, so it s naother problem | 23:04 |
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| |tbb| | anyone knows how to clear the display in ossoxterm | 23:04 |
| czr | clear? | 23:05 |
| |tbb| | wont work | 23:05 |
| czr | reset | 23:05 |
| jhe | how about ctrl-l? | 23:05 |
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| |tbb| | from script | 23:06 |
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| |tbb| | i hate ctrl button of hardware keyboard of the n810 on the left side, ctrl +l for open location in browser is hard to do also some other keystrokes | 23:08 |
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| blackmad | Exception exceptions.KeyError: 'dbus_interface' in 'dbus_bindings._GIL_safe_cmessage_function_handler' ignored | 23:09 |
| blackmad | hey | 23:09 |
| blackmad | Exception exceptions.KeyError: 'dbus_interface' in 'dbus_bindings._GIL_safe_cmessage_function_handler' ignored | 23:09 |
| blackmad | I have no idea what this error means, can anyone help me out? | 23:09 |
| melmoth | |tbb|: add a ctrl-l button, you can add button with whatever shortcut you like, just add a <ctrl>l one | 23:11 |
| |tbb| | where you mean in xterm? | 23:12 |
| |tbb| | i mean for all applications | 23:13 |
| * lcuk watches the keybindings debate intently. i want a tab key on 810 | 23:13 | |
| |tbb| | again, how can i clear the xterm screen from sh script | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't echo? | 23:14 |
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| jsmith | |tbb|: clr | 23:16 |
| |tbb| | nope osso-xterm btw | 23:17 |
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| * petergunn666 is running an mplayer test to see how long his external battery lasts | 23:23 | |
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| lcuk | hardware hack: if i build a pin for pin connection with 2 female usb connections then plug my nokia usb extension into one end and a standard usb keyboard in the other will it theoretically work? | 23:26 |
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| lcuk | n810------nokiausbcable------->[myfemale1]--solder---[myfemale2]<------------------usbkeyboard | 23:28 |
| Tama | only if there is enough power | 23:28 |
| petergunn666 | hmmm.. you could just buy a AF-AF connector? | 23:28 |
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| lcuk | i could if the shops were open | 23:29 |
| * lcuk is impatient | 23:29 | |
| petergunn666 | I think it will work | 23:29 |
| petergunn666 | u still have to do the software hack tho | 23:30 |
| lcuk | reading up about usb OTG, it should connect with legacy usb and as long as they dont drain the power it will be ok | 23:30 |
| lcuk | peter - what software? | 23:30 |
| petergunn666 | host mode switch | 23:30 |
| lcuk | no - 810 is USB OTG by default | 23:30 |
| lcuk | there is no hostmode available on 810 | 23:31 |
| * petergunn666 has n800 | 23:31 | |
| lcuk | yer - i read about the changes needed for 800 - it got in the way of a lot of my searching ;) | 23:31 |
| petergunn666 | I think you still need hostmode active | 23:31 |
| blackmad | what's the code name for os 2007? | 23:32 |
| |tbb| | bora | 23:32 |
| lcuk | right - ill try it it will either work or it wont | 23:33 |
| lcuk | will report back later | 23:33 |
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| Tama_ | arrgh | 23:33 |
| Tama_ | the internetS went down | 23:33 |
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| Luria | no, you just got caught in a downtube | 23:34 |
| Tama_ | n810----> powered hub ---> keyboard is a better idea | 23:34 |
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| Delio | now I have the right nickname | 23:35 |
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| blackmad | I'm trying to write a python program to listen on some system signals, but it doesn't seem to be getting any information about the signals -- what am I doing wrong? http://whizziwig.googlepages.com/rec1 | 23:35 |
| blackmad | my callback is invoked every time I plug/unplug the system power, but args & kwargs are emoty | 23:37 |
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| Delio | not sure but usually args for callbacks are set when you setup the callback --> bus.add_signal_receiver(handler_function=gdl_changed) | 23:41 |
| melmoth | Khertan: same problem with upstream inotifytool, i cannot build the patched qemu.... giving up :-( | 23:41 |
| sxpert | is the fm receiver still there in the 810 ? | 23:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | No, sxpert. | 23:46 |
| sxpert | ah.;;;;; | 23:46 |
| sxpert | too bad | 23:46 |
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| jott | who needs fm if there is ip? ;) | 23:47 |
| blackmad | http://stefans.datenbruch.de/nokia770/ claims that when I put the cover on my 770, I should see "signal if=org.kernel.kevent; mtd=change; snd=:1.6; dtl=n/a" ... but I don't see that with dbus-monitor --session or --system | 23:47 |
| blackmad | why? | 23:47 |
| sxpert | jott, to listen to the trafic info radio while driving ? | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | No sideband. | 23:47 |
| sxpert | (and where there's no ip connectivity available) | 23:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | No AM, either. | 23:48 |
| jott | sxpert: just kidding.... and get a decent data plan ;) | 23:48 |
| sxpert | jott, no such thing around here | 23:48 |
| Delio | what's the pricing for the 800 vs 810 in the US? | 23:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | $200-$240 versus $400-$470 | 23:49 |
| sxpert | it appears to be 499 eur, so I suspect it's 499 usd (despite 1usd = .65 eur) | 23:49 |
| blackmad | is there something I need to do to enable seeing kernel events? | 23:49 |
| Delio | I saw the price in Euro and I was wondering if the situation was the same for the US pricing | 23:50 |
| Delio | quite the difference | 23:50 |
| sxpert | we europeans are getting shafted, be if from dell, nokia, apple or any other | 23:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's your socialist tendencies. :P | 23:51 |
| Delio | -FM +GPS +CUTER_DESIGN +KEYBOARD | 23:51 |
| Delio | lol @ socialist tendencies | 23:51 |
| sxpert | GeneralAntilles, ah, no, there's one thing that's better. we don't have to pay through the nose to get medical care | 23:51 |
| Delio | well, there are things that are better ;) | 23:52 |
| Delio | but let's not start a flamewar right here shall we? | 23:52 |
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| Delio | I'm happy with my 800 anyway, BT keyboard to the rescue | 23:54 |
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| blackmad | is that guy making stuff up when he says the 770 reports cover on/off events? | 23:55 |
| blackmad | I can't see them | 23:55 |
| Delio | I have no idea blackmad | 23:56 |
| blackmad | maybe it's in a later OS version, and not in 2.x? | 23:56 |
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| blackmad | is it worth trying 2007 hacker edition? | 23:56 |
| Delio | DO not ask me I am a n00b | 23:57 |
| melmoth | if i had a n770, i ll try it without hesitation. | 23:57 |
| melmoth | s/ll/would/ | 23:57 |
| infobot | melmoth meant: if i had a n770, i would try it without hesitation. | 23:57 |
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| Epeloon | Hi | 23:58 |
| Vytas | Does that edition bring any significant improvements? | 23:59 |
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| Vytas | cause I own 770 | 23:59 |
| sxpert | Delio, the sad thing is that an FM receiver device is *really* small.;; | 23:59 |
| sxpert | so, they could probably have kept the thing | 23:59 |
| Epeloon | I've just received my new n800. I upgrade it to os2008 manually using the file on maemo website and using the software updater from Nokia website | 23:59 |
| sxpert | unless they didn't have enough I/O adding the kb | 23:59 |
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