| inz | Unfortunately the hildon documentation doesn't have links to the gtk documentation :/ | 00:00 |
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| rm_you | right :/ sorry | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | you doin this in c? | 00:00 |
| rm_you | yes | 00:00 |
| rm_you | I'm a Java person normally >_> so this is weird | 00:01 |
| lcuk | i dled the dev vmware image but for some reason couldnt even get hello world to compile and run | 00:01 |
| * lcuk is ashamed | 00:01 | |
| * lcuk started looking at python instead | 00:01 | |
| inz | lcuk, you should've started with something more simple | 00:01 |
| lcuk | lol - simpler than hello world? | 00:01 |
| * lcuk writes a "hi" program instead | 00:02 | |
| hugolp | pupnik_: you kidding | 00:02 |
| lcuk | im using windows as main desktop so couldnt setup a proper toolchain here simply | 00:02 |
| Juhaz | rm_you, that's the generic signal that is, works for anything that changes a property, as per inz, there is apparently a specific one. | 00:02 |
| * Tak currently messing with vala | 00:02 | |
| rm_you | yeah found it | 00:03 |
| rm_you | value-changed | 00:03 |
| rm_you | http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkRange.html#GtkRange-value-changed | 00:03 |
| rm_you | kinda sad though that I need you guys to tell me to read the page i'm looking at >_> | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | not really rm - whats your normal dev env/ language? | 00:04 |
| rm_you | Java in either Eclipse or VIM | 00:04 |
| rm_you | generally i code in VIM though, so i dont rely too heavily on Eclipse features >_> | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | and you wonder why you aren't a ninja at gtk? | 00:05 |
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| rm_you | lol | 00:05 |
| rm_you | yeah, i do Swing <_< | 00:05 |
| lcuk | im just as bad - im in vb and vb.net... | 00:05 |
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| * lcuk took the pygtk tutorial to the bathroom with him and didn't emerge until he had at least flicked over the bits of it | 00:06 | |
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| hachi | everyone is making fun of me for buying a nokia 810 instead of an iphone... I'm happy though | 00:07 |
| lcuk | im just glad i didnt try to use my 810 as toilet paper as i might have done with other tutorials in the past | 00:07 |
| rm_you | heh... i do python too, but not for a while | 00:07 |
| Tak | speaking of vb.net, is there a mono runtime for os200[78] ? | 00:07 |
| rm_you | g_signal_connect(cbar, "value-changed", G_CALLBACK(set_level), NULL); | 00:07 |
| rm_you | does that look right? | 00:07 |
| rm_you | i need to look up a tutorial on signals >_> | 00:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hachi, then everyone you know is stupid. :P | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | hachi, iphone might be polished but its a walled garden. very restricted in what you can do | 00:09 |
| mikem23 | no mplayerplug-in yet? | 00:09 |
| Luria | eclipse? | 00:09 |
| Luria | christ | 00:10 |
| Luria | has that loaded yet? | 00:10 |
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| rm_you | lol | 00:11 |
| hachi | how long does my new toy take to charge? | 00:12 |
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| hachi | :) | 00:12 |
| lcuk | i dont know - im either using it whilst charging or its overnight | 00:12 |
| * lcuk wants wireless charger | 00:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | 4-6-ish hours for a full charge | 00:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | 30 minutes for 80% | 00:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that'll be the slowest thing imaginable. | 00:14 |
| lcuk | what slow? | 00:15 |
| hachi | does pidgin talk to the main system about receipt of messages? | 00:15 |
| hachi | to make it light up for example | 00:15 |
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| rm_you | hrm... are these signals run in a seperate thread? | 00:16 |
| rm_you | IE, am i going to run into file locking issues if i'm doing I/O to a file on a signal event? | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | hachi, better off using the built-in client. | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less memory usage | 00:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | jablet.net | 00:16 |
| rm_you | like, if someone moves the bar a bunch really fast and it calls the file i/o signal like 10 times in a second? | 00:16 |
| hachi | okiedokie | 00:16 |
| lcuk | rm: gtk_range_set_update_policy | 00:18 |
| lcuk | try it - if its not working change the policy | 00:18 |
| lcuk | GTK_UPDATE_CONTINUOUS / GTK_UPDATE_DELAYED / GTK_UPDATE_DISCONTINUOUS | 00:19 |
| rm_you | hrm k | 00:20 |
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| rm_you | so, now a REAL problem... when I set the brightness with fanoush's script, it changes immediately and then reverts back to the original brightness within like 3 seconds | 00:20 |
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| pupnik | rm_you: maybe that's worth a post to the forums | 00:21 |
| rm_you | actually, that's worth a LOOK at the forums. i'm getting ahead of myself again | 00:22 |
| rm_you | have to remember that just because i'm talking in IRC i shouldn't ignore other avenues | 00:22 |
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| hachi | GeneralAntilles: the internal client doesn't appear to be working, where do I start for docs on a technical level of these things, logs locations and such? | 00:23 |
| |tbb| | anyone managed to get link-local xmpp to run between to n8xx devices | 00:24 |
| hachi | whoah, I don't remember there being link-local discovery stuff in the rfcs | 00:25 |
| hachi | anyone use their device with a cingular/att cell phone and gprs? | 00:26 |
| |tbb| | i see the users each other through an adhoc connection, they showed as online but if i send a message i get, person not online... | 00:26 |
| Luria | with grps? | 00:27 |
| Luria | ive done it | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | jablet.net | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont work with MSN or AIM yet | 00:27 |
| pupnik | is there a standard protocol to discover and share files with other nearby bluetooth devices? | 00:27 |
| Luria | in a pinch. a real pinch. | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | You need a jabber account with transports. | 00:27 |
| hachi | no worries, I'm a maintainer on a few jabber servers | 00:27 |
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| hachi | I don't even use other transports anymore :) | 00:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles is ATT here. | 00:28 | |
| hachi | Luria: my phone didn't reflect that the GPRS was actually being used, it was weird | 00:28 |
| Luria | ive done it with my t68i, which im using until i figure out which phone i'd like to buy. | 00:29 |
| hachi | can I get at the pppd log? I suppose it's just the standard way | 00:29 |
| Luria | its pretty rare to find phone service and no edge | 00:29 |
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| Luria | was it the network or your phone? | 00:29 |
| hachi | my phone doesn't support edge | 00:29 |
| Luria | ah | 00:29 |
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| Luria | well, browse with links :-) | 00:30 |
| hachi | well, the problem is | 00:31 |
| hachi | I don't know if it's working | 00:31 |
| hachi | or if the device is using some other network available to it | 00:31 |
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| hachi | yeah, it's not doing anything, it blinks in the status area... oh now it finally said it failed | 00:32 |
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| hachi | apparently blink means 'I'm trying' | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | What service do you have? | 00:32 |
| * doc|work asks again | 00:32 | |
| doc|work | anyone here got a skype voucher (that came with the n800 for one) that they haven't used? I had one that I thought I wouldn't use but will now, only I can't find my voucher :/ | 00:32 |
| hachi | att | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | isp wont work unless you have the full tethering service | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | you have to use wap otherwise | 00:33 |
| Spakman_ | I'm trying to build Frothing (http://code.google.com/p/frothing/), but can't get configure to recognise that I've got libgtkhtml2-dev install. Anyone any ideas? | 00:33 |
| hachi | that's weird then... cause I use it with my laptop all the time | 00:33 |
| hachi | I don't have the tethering service, but GPRS works fine | 00:33 |
| Luria | not so | 00:33 |
| hachi | the phone even says "GPRS acrive" | 00:33 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: wow, so i'll i've managed to do so far is screw up my brightness presets >_> lol | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo! | 00:33 |
| Luria | i have no data plan, and its works fine | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | How are you calling blset? | 00:34 |
| Luria | even non port 80 communication | 00:34 |
| rm_you | well | 00:34 |
| * |tbb| thinks thats just curios | 00:34 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Sounds expensive, Luria. | 00:34 |
| rm_you | blset wasn't doing much... | 00:34 |
| glass | Luria: sure you're not on some defualt per KB plan? | 00:34 |
| rm_you | so i tried the dsmetest -l thing | 00:34 |
| rm_you | and i guess i didn't really understand what that was doing :P | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | blset <brightness> ? | 00:35 |
| |tbb| | anyway i was thinking you can use video calls to each other without connected to google or somewhere else, it seems that is not supported | 00:35 |
| rm_you | when i use blset, it changes but then reverts after about 3 seconds | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Even when you use the script from xterm? | 00:36 |
| rm_you | yes | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weirdness | 00:36 |
| rm_you | wait... now after messing with "chroot /mnt/initfs dsmetest -l" for like 5 minutes, it appears to be sticking >_> | 00:36 |
| lcuk | mrm - what were you playing with applet wise earlier? it wasnt your own brightness control was it? | 00:36 |
| rm_you | lcuk: yes | 00:37 |
| lcuk | any chance yours is still loaded and intefering ;) | 00:37 |
| rm_you | but i hadnt actually hooked it up yet... it was just an "impotent" slider\ | 00:37 |
| Luria | afk | 00:37 |
| lcuk | nm then rm | 00:38 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: ahhh so, what this is doing | 00:38 |
| j0tt | is there an easy way to switch to the arm perl instead of the i386 one in the chinook scratchbox? | 00:38 |
| |tbb| | Jaffa: do you got an n810 allready? | 00:38 |
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| rm_you | err nm, lost again | 00:38 |
| rm_you | OH no i get it | 00:39 |
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| rm_you | "./blset 50" sets the current brightness setting to 50, "./blset 3 50" sets the third software preset to 50 | 00:39 |
| rm_you | and yes, that seems obvious now that i say it :P | 00:40 |
| rm_you | but i wasnt sure what software meant earlier | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | blset 0 50 sets the current level to 50, too. | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | It confused me at first, too. | 00:41 |
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| rm_you | >_> | 00:42 |
| rm_you | i was reading the script, and it doesnt make any sense | 00:42 |
| rm_you | value=$((hwlevel*256+swlevel+128)) | 00:43 |
| rm_you | so if i want full brightness on software 4, that means 127*256+4+128 | 00:43 |
| rm_you | which is a HUGE number.... | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | just remember: blset [0-127] | 00:44 |
| rm_you | yes but | 00:44 |
| rm_you | i don't want to be calling the script from my program | 00:45 |
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| rm_you | i would rather directly do what it does | 00:45 |
| rm_you | which means i have to understand what's going on | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right, right. | 00:45 |
| rm_you | which shouldn't be hard... I *KNOW* bash | 00:45 |
| j0tt | i guess it's better to read it as "hwlevel << 8" | 00:45 |
| rm_you | but this makes no sense | 00:45 |
| rm_you | ah? | 00:45 |
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| rm_you | is that what's happening? | 00:45 |
| rm_you | but... | 00:45 |
| rm_you | man, this is so weird :/ | 00:45 |
| elb | rm_you: it's basically the brightness in the top 8 bits, and the level number in the bottom 8 bits | 00:46 |
| elb | or vice-versa, I'd have to reread the post | 00:46 |
| rm_you | OH | 00:46 |
| rm_you | that is NOT what i thought was going on | 00:46 |
| elb | * 256 is the same as << 8 | 00:46 |
| |tbb| | from what you are talking about? brightness hack on os2008 | 00:47 |
| hachi | GeneralAntilles: that site for jablet... three's nothing on it | 00:47 |
| * lcuk hasnt done bitshifting for yonks | 00:47 | |
| hachi | news, that's all | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://jablet.org:9090/plugins/registration/sign-up.jsp | 00:48 |
| lcuk | define: yonks = since the dinosaurs roamed the earth | 00:48 |
| rm_you | ./blset 2 50 | 00:48 |
| rm_you | writing 12930 to /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | But if you've already got your own jabber servers, it doesn't matter. | 00:48 |
| rm_you | >_> | 00:48 |
| hachi | but I can't connect to my jabber servers | 00:49 |
| penguinbait | find / -name you | xargs rm -rf | 00:49 |
| hachi | it just blinks at me | 00:49 |
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| rm_you | but /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level is then 25 >_> | 00:49 |
| hachi | I'm looking for how to debug it | 00:49 |
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| hachi | pidgin connects just fine | 00:50 |
| hachi | and I tried two different (same software) jabber servers too | 00:50 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: so... what command should I run to successfully set my CURRENT brightness to, say... the lowest? | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | blset 1 | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | or blset 0, if you've got an N810 | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | With a transflective screen. | 00:50 |
| rm_you | ok | 00:51 |
| Luria | anyone using openvpn here? | 00:51 |
| hachi | oh man, that's right... these things work outside don't they | 00:51 |
| Luria | on the n8x0, i mean | 00:51 |
| rm_you | that sets /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level to "25" >_> | 00:51 |
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| rm_you | and if i look closely at my n800's screen, the brightness is flickering slightly | 00:51 |
| penguinbait | shutdown -r now | 00:52 |
| Luria | rm_you, ive noticed that | 00:52 |
| penguinbait | whoops | 00:52 |
| Luria | penguinbait, you cant kill freenode like that | 00:52 |
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| Luria | well, i guess from his perspective, you can. | 00:52 |
| kriebel | I get flickers on the lowest setting on my 770 | 00:53 |
| j0tt | rm_you: maybe it should even read "hwlevel << 9" .. but that's just a blind guess ;) | 00:53 |
| hachi | I don't even see a TCP connect happening from the maemo builtin IM client | 00:54 |
| * j0tt still waits for his n810 to arrive... | 00:54 | |
| * elb still waits to be able to order his n810 | 00:54 | |
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| hachi | wait, there's a connect | 00:55 |
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| Luria | is there an acmonitor for 2008? | 00:56 |
| hachi | maybe this is a bug in my jabber server | 00:56 |
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| penguinbait | I tried Luria, but it only seems to affected me :) | 00:57 |
| rm_you | so when i do "echo >/sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level 25728" and then I "cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level" it reports "3"!!!!! | 00:57 |
| rm_you | i've never seen redirection syntax like that before... | 00:58 |
| jsmith | Luria: I'm using the OpenVPN client on my n810 | 00:58 |
| Luria | * penguinbait has quit () | 00:58 |
| rm_you | if I do "echo >filename $value" does it like.... bitshift the value into the file or something!? | 00:58 |
| Luria | <Luria> well, i guess from his perspective, you can. | 00:58 |
| rm_you | this is so f'ed up >_> | 00:59 |
| penguinbait | ah I missed that :) | 00:59 |
| Luria | jsmith, do you find that the network doesnt reestablish when switching networks | 00:59 |
| Luria | even with "float" | 00:59 |
| jsmith | Luria: Haven't tried it while switching networks... that's a good question | 00:59 |
| Luria | i find that i have to kill and restart a lot | 01:00 |
| Luria | also, i get complaints about route, even though i sudo openvpn | 01:00 |
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| Luria | are you using tap or tun, psk or a ca? | 01:01 |
| jsmith | tun, ca | 01:01 |
| Luria | cause a lot of these problems didnt exist with my "dumb" psk, tap, no routing connection | 01:02 |
| Luria | would you mind sharing your .conf/ovpn file? | 01:02 |
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| jsmith | Luria: I don't have it handy right now... I'm in the middle of teaching a class. Try to catch me tomorrow | 01:03 |
| Luria | sorry, np | 01:04 |
| rm_you | WTF >_< | 01:04 |
| rm_you | i am about to tear my hair out | 01:04 |
| Luria | i really need to get on this openvpn frontend tip | 01:04 |
| lcuk | rm - sounds like you have a little penguin stuck in your box turning the lights back on | 01:05 |
| rm_you | is there a hex editor / octal dump / ANYTHING that will let me see the bits in a file? | 01:05 |
| rm_you | *on maemo, that is | 01:05 |
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| derf | vim -b isn't good enough for you? | 01:06 |
| rm_you | ah | 01:06 |
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| rm_you | well | 01:06 |
| rm_you | no | 01:06 |
| rm_you | doesn't appear to show me bits >_> | 01:06 |
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| rm_you | ie, it isn't working | 01:07 |
| pupnik | "Kiss Mah Bits!" - Flo | 01:08 |
| bill2or3 | 'Grits' | 01:08 |
| pupnik | ..,.showing our age I think | 01:08 |
| * sxpert just received his N810... WOWS | 01:09 | |
| pupnik | hey what store | 01:09 |
| bill2or3 | <-- old. | 01:09 |
| pupnik | sxpert: it's pretty sexy in real life isn't it | 01:09 |
| timely | hi Luria | 01:10 |
| Luria | hey timely | 01:10 |
| j0tt | rm_you: hexdump? | 01:10 |
| rm_you | j0tt: is it in maemo? | 01:10 |
| pupnik | i'm hoping people give feedback on the ITT forums for their micro/mini SD card performance | 01:10 |
| rm_you | don't see it | 01:10 |
| timely | kriebel: my 770 flickers a lot :( | 01:10 |
| pupnik | flickers at low brightness? | 01:10 |
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| j0tt | rm_you: it's in the sdk so i guess it should be installable ;) | 01:11 |
| rm_you | hrm | 01:11 |
| timely | mostly while charging | 01:11 |
| Luria | timely, msg wasn't a big deal, just wanted to know whether the debug pack was worth installing when i was doing scratchbox last night | 01:11 |
| timely | but yes, i only use the lowest brightness | 01:11 |
| timely | Luria: msg? | 01:11 |
| rm_you | j0tt: it is? | 01:11 |
| rm_you | oh, yes it is | 01:12 |
| rm_you | hrm | 01:12 |
| Luria | oh ~2am est i /msged you. no biggie | 01:12 |
| rm_you | no source package for it included tho >_. | 01:12 |
| Luria | or it was timeless | 01:12 |
| timely | Luria: hrm, if you message'd timeless, that's a tiny buffer | 01:12 |
| Luria | i dont recall off hand | 01:12 |
| Juhaz | "flickers" as in the brightness varies slightly? | 01:12 |
| timely | Juhaz: yeah | 01:12 |
| timely | if you message this client i'll get a window which i'll see unless the box panics | 01:12 |
| timely | (which it has done twice since i added a new hdd) | 01:12 |
| Luria | hmm it would be nice to have useful brightness settings back... finger taps might be nice too | 01:13 |
| Luria | who decided to disable those? | 01:13 |
| timely | Luria: but, i haven't played w/ sb2 in months, and i don't have a working scratchbox of any flavor | 01:13 |
| alterego | Well, that confirms my email working again :) | 01:13 |
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| timely | Luria: the people who though the light sensor in the n810 was good enough for everyone | 01:13 |
| timely | including the people w/o n810s | 01:13 |
| timely | ... | 01:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 01:14 |
| Luria | i havent changed my setting from 1. its too bright 90% of the time | 01:14 |
| timely | i had thought they were promising not to change the behavior for people w/o n810s | 01:14 |
| timely | but clearly i misinterpreted their statements :( | 01:14 |
| Luria | but the finger tap thing is perplexing | 01:15 |
| Juhaz | timely, yes, it does seem to occasionally do that while charging, the charger probably doesn't do very good job at rectifying, which causes some some slight interference | 01:15 |
| timely | ? | 01:15 |
| * lcuk has a sticker over his light sensor | 01:15 | |
| timely | "rectifying"? | 01:15 |
| Juhaz | converting ac current to dc | 01:16 |
| timely | Juhaz: is this a problem limited by region? | 01:16 |
| lcuk | charger meant to be DC flat voltage - its likely got spikes in it causing the flicker | 01:16 |
| rm_you | Luria: well, if i can get this custom brightness app working... >_> | 01:16 |
| timely | i.e. is it likely a problem in finland but not us? | 01:16 |
| Luria | im getting it right now, when the screen dims | 01:16 |
| Luria | no acmonitor for chinook, right? | 01:16 |
| sxpert | pupnik, yeah | 01:17 |
| derf | Luria: Is it needed? | 01:17 |
| Luria | i think so | 01:17 |
| sxpert | pupnik, will take it to wrok tomorrow to show around | 01:17 |
| derf | I thought chinook had a built-in setting. | 01:17 |
| derf | At least, for "Don't blank the screen when on AC power." | 01:17 |
| timely | ? | 01:17 |
| timely | built in setting for what? | 01:17 |
| Luria | i'd like dont blank and brightness | 01:18 |
| derf | Maybe I'm imagining things, but I swear someone said that. | 01:18 |
| pupnik | "the jolly, c a n d y l i k e N810!" | 01:18 |
| timely | in 2008 you can set it not to blank while plugged in | 01:18 |
| derf | I don't have OS 2008 installed on anything, yet, and the US discount codes aren't active yet. | 01:18 |
| derf | timely: Right. | 01:18 |
| alterego | I wish there was a shortcut for the application launcher .. | 01:18 |
| derf | That's what I was referring to. | 01:18 |
| timely | alterego? | 01:18 |
| alterego | To open the menu without having to touch the screen would be very cool. | 01:18 |
| |tbb| | how can i clear screen in osso-xterm? | 01:19 |
| derf | I mean, I could compile acmonitor for OS 2008, but I have no idea if it would work. | 01:19 |
| timely | you can press the home/switcher key | 01:19 |
| timely | and then use the arrows to walk up | 01:19 |
| timely | or at least, in 2007 you could | 01:19 |
| * timely has 2006 atm | 01:19 | |
| alterego | timely, not the task switcher. The application launch menu :P | 01:19 |
| Luria | you can do it in os 2008 too | 01:19 |
| alterego | The one you have to open to start apps :P | 01:19 |
| timely | alterego: well, you can walk to the app launch menu | 01:19 |
| timely | it's something like: | 01:19 |
| timely | switcher, up x 7, down 2, right | 01:20 |
| Luria | gah, in a finger / pen input they forgot that menu wraparound is handy | 01:20 |
| derf | Luria: You should see the Japanese input. | 01:20 |
| timely | derf: last i checked there was no shipping japanese input | 01:20 |
| derf | You'd better hope the kanji you want is one of the first few alternatives, because there's no way you'll find it in the pop-up list. | 01:20 |
| Luria | right, i forgot, that was impressive | 01:20 |
| alterego | timely, you're saying there's a way to start an application without having to press the screen? | 01:20 |
| alterego | To open the applications menu? | 01:21 |
| timely | alterego: yes | 01:21 |
| alterego | How? | 01:21 |
| derf | timely: maemocjk, I meant. Yes, obviously not Nokia's fault. | 01:21 |
| |tbb| | altegro on n810 ? | 01:21 |
| timely | alterego: you need 1 app running | 01:21 |
| timely | press the switcher key, | 01:21 |
| timely | then press left | 01:21 |
| timely | then press up a bunch of times | 01:21 |
| timely | then press right | 01:21 |
| Luria | then up up up | 01:21 |
| timely | it worked in 2007 | 01:21 |
| alterego | timely, ah, I see, meed. | 01:21 |
| lcuk | lol @ long winded | 01:21 |
| alterego | ~neat .. | 01:21 |
| Juhaz | timely, well, if it's noisy grid errors getting trough, region could have an effect (but I suspect it would be the other way around, Finnish electricity tends to be pretty clean), but if it's bad rectification, then no, every region would be about the same. | 01:21 |
| lcuk | check the bluetooth keyboard - theres a macro section, not sure if it will work | 01:21 |
| derf | timely: You don't need anything running. | 01:21 |
| |tbb| | lcuk it worked for me | 01:22 |
| derf | Or at least, you didn't in 2007. | 01:22 |
| alterego | timely, you can see why a keyboard shortcut would be nicer though yes? ;) | 01:22 |
| timely | alterego: my 770 doesn't have a keyboard | 01:22 |
| alterego | timely, sure. Either does mine, or my N800. The point is, when it's possible ;) | 01:22 |
| alterego | Maybe even a double press of the home button .. | 01:23 |
| timely | i'd settle for a way to prevent my devices from going flying whenever i move my legs | 01:23 |
| |tbb| | i got a few shortcuts, maximize, show home screen, open task switcher ... all about bluetooth keyboard shortcuts which worked on hardware keyboard of n810 | 01:23 |
| timely | (and catch the charger, which causes the device to fly) | 01:23 |
| alterego | :) | 01:23 |
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| alterego | The N810 is so nice. | 01:24 |
| derf | timely: Could be worse, you could have one of those Macbook magnetic power cords. | 01:24 |
| derf | That fall off if you breath on them wrong. | 01:24 |
| alterego | I feel so privileged to have one. | 01:24 |
| sxpert | is there a better GPS client of some sort, like one that'd tell you what it's doing ? | 01:24 |
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| timely | sxpert: there are 2 gps guis | 01:24 |
| timely | the one in Map is better | 01:24 |
| |tbb| | maybe gps_saver | 01:25 |
| Luria | alterego, if you like the n810 so much, stop sexually abusing it | 01:25 |
| alterego | The one in maemo mapper is best. I'm working on my own now. Not a map app. But a GPS information app. | 01:25 |
| |tbb| | fit in your needing | 01:25 |
| alterego | Luria, I can't help it .. :( | 01:25 |
| * lcuk has an 810 as well :P | 01:25 | |
| alterego | Luria, if I had a girlfriend I might have a bit more of a life :) | 01:25 |
| * lcuk strokes it | 01:25 | |
| sxpert | also looking for a telnet client :-) (to connect to gpsd :-) | 01:25 |
| lcuk | when he gets it off gf that is | 01:25 |
| |tbb| | alterego: have you seen gps_saver | 01:26 |
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| Luria | cant you guys abuse something normal, like kids? | 01:26 |
| alterego | |tbb|, nope. | 01:26 |
| * alterego looks for gps_saver | 01:26 | |
| alterego | Hahah @ Luria | 01:26 |
| |tbb| | this tool rocks, ive just got informed that a new version is out there | 01:26 |
| alterego | Luria, I play pranks on my 1.6 year old nephew if that counts :) | 01:26 |
| Luria | i've decided im not going to run with this joke | 01:27 |
| |tbb| | nice showing how fast you are driving with comma like 52,30 km/h | 01:27 |
| * lcuk drives at ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, mph | 01:28 | |
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| timely | Luria: have you played w/ mxr.maemo.org deb? | 01:28 |
| Luria | i like the 790km gps picture | 01:28 |
| Luria | 790km/h | 01:28 |
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| Luria | i had to disable it to download something | 01:29 |
| Luria | i forget what | 01:29 |
| Luria | now i have all these libillumination dependency hell problems | 01:29 |
| timely | infobot mxr.maemo.org deb | 01:30 |
| infobot | well, mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 01:30 |
| timely | Luria: the mxr deb shouldn't conflict | 01:30 |
| timely | it's a different host | 01:30 |
| timely | Luria: the rtcomm stuff isn't in my mirror | 01:31 |
| timely | i suppose is should grab that | 01:31 |
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| Luria | oh yeah, that was it | 01:31 |
| Luria | i was going nuts, til i remembered that hosts had been modified | 01:32 |
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| timely | sorry, i'm grabbing that now | 01:33 |
| Luria | np | 01:33 |
| Luria | im slow, but i figured it out | 01:33 |
| v-v | hello, could I ask why gtk_tool_button_set_label(GTK_TOOL_BUTTON(tb_next), "label"); doesn't show me a label but just the the toolbar button with the icon? thanks | 01:33 |
| timely | do you know what repository.maemo.org/contrib is and why people would want to use it? | 01:33 |
| lcuk | oooh | 01:33 |
| lcuk | android on ARM hardware! http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/09/2113235 | 01:34 |
| sxpert | ok, I'll have to try the GPS tomorrow outside. can't get a fix inside (unlike my garmin GPS60 which is also a sirfstar 3) | 01:34 |
| |tbb| | sxpert what means also sirf3 | 01:34 |
| sxpert | well, same chip as in the N810, but probably the antenna on the garmin is probably much better | 01:35 |
| Luria | is it 3 or 3c (or whatever the low power is called) | 01:35 |
| * |tbb| wont dissapoint sxpert, but for what i know it isnt sirfstar3 | 01:35 | |
| sxpert | ah. | 01:35 |
| sxpert | hmm | 01:35 |
| Luria | its not mtk32 is it? | 01:36 |
| |tbb| | sxpert: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13569&highlight=sirf | 01:38 |
| murrayc_ | v-v: There is a global preference (and per-toolbar setting) for icons-only/icons+text/text-only. | 01:39 |
| Luria | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=112900 | 01:39 |
| Luria | yikes, crappy ti chip | 01:39 |
| sxpert | ah, crap | 01:39 |
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| pupnik | what is good about android lcuk | 01:39 |
| sxpert | well never mind, the thing didn't cost me much :-) | 01:39 |
| |tbb| | yeah your lucky | 01:40 |
| lcuk | pup - google phone / net device os | 01:40 |
| pupnik | so... it's 'good' because it's from google? | 01:41 |
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| lcuk | its good because it looks nice | 01:41 |
| v-v | murrayc_: tnx, found this: http://tinyurl.com/yp3vrc bu could I ask how can I change those settings? | 01:41 |
| johnx | and having google backing it should help in the long run | 01:41 |
| Luria | nah, its cheap and pretty good, but never perfect. thats google | 01:41 |
| murrayc_ | v-v: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.12/GtkToolbar.html#gtk-toolbar-set-style | 01:43 |
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| timely | Luria: ok, rtcomm added | 01:43 |
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| rm_you | ok, so to test this applet, i need to make it have permissions to write to a file owned by root... | 01:44 |
| rm_you | so i need to set the stickybit on the .so right? | 01:44 |
| rm_you | or... something >_> | 01:44 |
| rm_you | ahh sorry, setuidbit | 01:44 |
| johnx | what file owned by root? | 01:44 |
| rm_you | /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level | 01:45 |
| derf | rm_you: Can't you just use the gconf interface? | 01:45 |
| rm_you | i wasn't aware that it worked correctly | 01:45 |
| v-v | murrayc_: many thanks :) and sorry for disturbing :/ | 01:45 |
| rm_you | otherwise, wouldn't fanoush's script use that? | 01:45 |
| timely | http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/search?string=backlight_level&find=kernel | 01:45 |
| derf | It certainly worked correctly on OS 2007. | 01:45 |
| rm_you | hrm | 01:45 |
| derf | I have no idea what fanoush's script is. | 01:45 |
| rm_you | yeah i saw the post | 01:45 |
| johnx | derf, rm_you is working with fanoush's modified kernel that supports more backlight levels | 01:46 |
| rm_you | but i don't really understand what is going on still, so i'm just trying to duplicate the thing that i KNOW works | 01:46 |
| derf | johnx: Oh. | 01:46 |
| johnx | rm_you, you can chgrp the file in the meantime | 01:46 |
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| rm_you | yeah, considered that | 01:47 |
| rm_you | i guess i will... | 01:47 |
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| rm_you | or just a+w | 01:48 |
| rm_you | yay | 01:48 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: want to test? :P | 01:48 |
| sxpert | hmm. I guess I could use an external bluetooth unit :-) | 01:48 |
| Luria | it would be awesome if you could use an external and the internal | 01:49 |
| johnx | rm_you, have you noticed any regressions in the "more backlight levels" kernel? | 01:49 |
| johnx | I could probably be convinced to test it | 01:49 |
| rm_you | not really | 01:50 |
| rm_you | but i havent done much heavy testing | 01:50 |
| rm_you | i would imagine you could flash back? | 01:50 |
| rm_you | i would *hope* | 01:50 |
| johnx | yeah, yeah...just being lazy | 01:51 |
| * johnx starts downloading | 01:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure, rm_you. | 01:51 |
| rm_you | kk sec | 01:53 |
| rm_you | i guess i'll skip packaging it up | 01:53 |
| rm_you | i'll just tar the .desktop and .so | 01:53 |
| lcuk | rm, this for '08? | 01:55 |
| |tbb| | i wish you could get the colors any better on n810, compared side by side with n800. it really sucks | 01:56 |
| rm_you | yes | 01:56 |
| rm_you | sooooooo it's... lame right now | 01:56 |
| rm_you | but it works i believe | 01:56 |
| timely | |tbb|: did you remove the plastic film? | 01:56 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.tar | 01:56 |
| |tbb| | yeah for sure | 01:56 |
| rm_you | known issues: it pops up in a ridiculous window instead of a nice little popdown >_> and you have to close that window manually | 01:57 |
| lcuk | do i need root to drop this in? | 01:57 |
| rm_you | also, you will have to chmod a+w /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level | 01:57 |
| rm_you | yes | 01:57 |
| rm_you | i could make an install script... | 01:58 |
| lcuk | ok - will test it for you on my 810 and report back | 01:58 |
| |tbb| | the screen isnt that nice! but if you walked outside on heavy lighten places you could live with that, because n810 rocks outside | 01:58 |
| lcuk | i would prefer that | 01:58 |
| rm_you | sec then | 01:58 |
| lcuk | but i will do it manually if required | 01:58 |
| lcuk | the brightness bugs me enough and i need root for other things | 01:58 |
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| rm_you | ok, same link | 02:01 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.tar | 02:01 |
| rm_you | now it unpacks sanely and has an install script | 02:01 |
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| rm_you | it has a lame default icon :/ i will fix that later, lol | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just scped the first one. :P | 02:02 |
| rm_you | heh | 02:02 |
| pupnik | thanks rm_you | 02:02 |
| rm_you | well, the install script is like 3 lines | 02:02 |
| rm_you | pupnik: heh, not nearly finished yet :P save thanks for when it works sanely, lol | 02:02 |
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| * lcuk has control of his 810 again | 02:04 | |
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| * lcuk won the wrestle :D | 02:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Aha | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now that's just plain cool, rm_you. :] | 02:05 |
| rm_you | working? | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perfectly. | 02:05 |
| rm_you | cool... | 02:05 |
| rm_you | well, it still looks ugly as sin >_> | 02:05 |
| rm_you | i still can't figure out how the volume/brightness control apps make their popups look like that | 02:06 |
| j0tt | rm_you: wouldn't it be better to integrate this directly into hal (ie fix the setter methods there)? | 02:06 |
| rm_you | j0tt: don't look at me for that >_> i barely know what's going on with this brightness stuff :( | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | You wonder how Nokia chooses what to open and what to close. | 02:07 |
| rm_you | i'm effectively just writing a gui for a script fanoush made >_> | 02:07 |
| j0tt | ;) | 02:07 |
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| rm_you | interestingly enough, after i packed it up and put it on the web, i tried installing from my own tar file and it won't work >_> | 02:09 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:09 |
| |tbb| | hmmh, rm_you my desktop goes blank after trying to set the brightness from the applet youve made now its gone, anyway to reactivate it without reboot | 02:10 |
| rm_you | can you ssh in? | 02:10 |
| |tbb| | yeah | 02:10 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: are you running fanoush's kernel? | 02:10 |
| |tbb| | oh i dont | 02:11 |
| rm_you | i should probably have put a warning about that :P | 02:11 |
| timely | Luria: anyway, give the mxr.maemo.org deb a try | 02:11 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: i am actually not sure >_> | 02:12 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: i barely get how this works | 02:12 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: try clicking where you remember the normal brightness control being, and use the hardware arrow keys to try to change it | 02:12 |
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| johnx | interesting in a normal kernel cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level gives me 0 | 02:13 |
| rm_you | johnx: in fanoush's kernel, the value of that file never makes sense either :/ | 02:13 |
| rm_you | thus why i can't figure out WTF is actually going on | 02:13 |
| johnx | ah | 02:13 |
| |tbb| | doesnt work either ;( but anyway nice done | 02:14 |
| rm_you | i will echo like "342893" into it, and it will tell me it contains "3" | 02:14 |
| johnx | hmm | 02:14 |
| j0tt | rm_you: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/rx-34-2.6.21.0-osso63-mipid-backlight.diff read the source :P | 02:14 |
| johnx | only the first number is read? only the last? | 02:14 |
| lcuk | so the scroller can set limits which whiteout the entire display? | 02:14 |
| rm_you | >_> | 02:15 |
| rm_you | lcuk: no | 02:15 |
| rm_you | lcuk: the scrollbar only sets 0-127 | 02:15 |
| rm_you | it just happens that on n800, 0 = off | 02:16 |
| lcuk | oblackout i can handle :) | 02:16 |
| rm_you | hehe | 02:16 |
| lcuk | to see cant you shine an LED torch at it so you can adjust | 02:16 |
| rm_you | no transflective on n800 | 02:16 |
| timely | no light sensor either | 02:16 |
| lcuk | theres normally some bleed | 02:16 |
| rm_you | i thought about checking and keeping it at minimum 1 when on n800... but who am i to judge what people want? :P | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check. :P | 02:17 |
| rm_you | next thing you know, someone will be writing a more advanced backlight control because mine is too limiting >_> | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, it's a backlight control. | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | How complicated can it get? | 02:17 |
| rm_you | LOL | 02:17 |
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| lcuk | nokia "after dark" | 02:17 |
| timely | rm_you: hey, i'm looking for people to play w/ my cross ref | 02:17 |
| timely | can you try it? :) | 02:17 |
| rm_you | ? | 02:17 |
| timely | infobot mxr.maemo.org deb | 02:18 |
| infobot | from memory, mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 02:18 |
| timely | rm_you: install that, then load http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/source/kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.21.0/drivers/video/omap/lcd_mipid.c#224 | 02:18 |
| timely | (for example) | 02:18 |
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| timely | or http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/search?string=backlight_level&find=kernel | 02:18 |
| * lcuk makes a backup before touching root | 02:19 | |
| rm_you | what does this package do? | 02:19 |
| timely | rm_you: it adds a dns entry for mxr.maemo.org | 02:19 |
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| rm_you | ah lol | 02:19 |
| Luria | http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Bluetooth_20mod_20for_20IBM_20keyboards | 02:19 |
| timely | that reminds me | 02:20 |
| Luria | a perfect complement for my n800 | 02:20 |
| timely | can someone please explain the story about the phoenix time zone? | 02:20 |
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| rm_you | yes, i can go to mxr.maemo.org | 02:20 |
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| timely | rm_you: try it out | 02:21 |
| timely | play around, give feedback :) | 02:21 |
| rm_you | heh | 02:21 |
| rm_you | i actually played with this like a few days ago | 02:21 |
| rm_you | it is neat | 02:21 |
| timely | cool :) | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luria, I was just thinking about that last night. | 02:22 |
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| Luria | i know | 02:22 |
| Luria | i was here | 02:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right then. ;) | 02:24 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: oh... one other bug... i don't think it is correctly getting the current backlight level. | 02:25 |
| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: can you confirm that? | 02:25 |
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| |tbb| | rm did you receive my pm | 02:26 |
| j0tt | maybe someone knows now: is there an easy way to switch to the arm perl instead of the i386 one in the chinook scratchbox? | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do you mean, rm_you? | 02:26 |
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| rm_you | GeneralAntilles: when you open it, the range slider should be set to the current value | 02:27 |
| rm_you | it does not seem to be working correctly for me >_> | 02:27 |
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| rm_you | that is funny, considering i wrote it :P | 02:27 |
| timely | heh | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | It seems to grab the default values. | 02:28 |
| rm_you | :/ | 02:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, if I set the topmost software level to 10, then close and reopen the applet | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | it'll show al 127 | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | -al | 02:29 |
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| rm_you | hrm | 02:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, it's good enough that I'm just going to disable Nokia's applet. | 02:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get the wrapper figured out and we'll be 100% | 02:31 |
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| lcuk | how do i set exec permission | 02:32 |
| * lcuk is root now | 02:32 | |
| timely | chmod +x foopy #? | 02:32 |
| alterego | Finally, email server is back up :) | 02:32 |
| lcuk | ty :) | 02:32 |
| alterego | That happy face doesn't mean I'm happy. | 02:32 |
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| alterego | At least now I can start reinstating my files from the backup. As they've _finally_ corrected my hard disk quota from 4G! to the 20G it should have been >:( | 02:33 |
| |tbb| | alterego: have you get the link which i pm you? | 02:35 |
| alterego | |tbb|, yes. I'm going to check it out RIGHT NOW! :) | 02:35 |
| |tbb| | i was thinking i got problems with pm thats why im asking | 02:35 |
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| alterego | Hmm .. I was hoping not to have to install python .. | 02:37 |
| |tbb| | python is good for anything ;) | 02:38 |
| alterego | I'd rather not have python on any of my machines. | 02:38 |
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| * timely frowns | 02:38 | |
| timely | help | 02:38 |
| timely | i want to write a deb that's magical | 02:38 |
| rm_you | hrm ok, it can destoy itself now... | 02:39 |
| timely | it needs to require gettext in order to do work | 02:39 |
| |tbb| | okay then tell me if you got written your own app | 02:39 |
| timely | but i want people to be able to uninstall gettext w/o uninstalling my deb | 02:39 |
| lcuk | what am i missing if when running the install.sh script (which is now executable) tells me "/bin/sh: install.sh: not found" is it that sh cannot run something within the script, or the interpretter itself is missing? | 02:39 |
| alterego | |tbb|, unfortunately for you, I was planning on writing it in Ruby :P | 02:39 |
| timely | lcuk: /bin/sh -x ./install.sh | 02:40 |
| lcuk | time, but its got a shebang thing in | 02:40 |
| lcuk | didnt think i needed all that lot with one of them | 02:40 |
| lcuk | will try it tho :) | 02:41 |
| timely | lcuk: is the shebang correct? | 02:41 |
| timely | if it isn't, this'd work... | 02:41 |
| timely | did you do: | 02:41 |
| timely | $ install.sh | 02:41 |
| timely | or | 02:41 |
| timely | $ ./install.sh | 02:41 |
| lcuk | top one install.sh | 02:42 |
| timely | the former only works if you do PATH=$PATH:. | 02:42 |
| timely | which you should never do | 02:42 |
| lcuk | you are right - i thought these shebangs were generic - was mistaken. thanx | 02:42 |
| timely | what the shell said was it couldn't find install.sh in your path | 02:42 |
| lcuk | it ran now | 02:42 |
| lcuk | and got further | 02:42 |
| lcuk | ty | 02:42 |
| timely | eep | 02:43 |
| timely | so um, using a repository that doesn't have gregale is a problem | 02:43 |
| |tbb| | timely i got the same error writing a bash script and running it on osso-xterm | 02:44 |
| alterego | I guess they still haven't fixed paste in xterm .. | 02:45 |
| timely | ? | 02:45 |
| |tbb| | s/timely/lcuk | 02:45 |
| lcuk | this is the script rm just put together | 02:46 |
| * lcuk is a terminal virgin | 02:46 | |
| alterego | |tbb|, not bad. I was wanting something a bit prettier, doesn't make me feel so bad that I'm gonna write my own in Ruby now ;) | 02:46 |
| jga23 | is there anyway to get microb on scratchbox? | 02:47 |
| |tbb| | alterego: have fun | 02:47 |
| lcuk | rm_you, with this installed, how do i activate it | 02:47 |
| |tbb| | reboot ;) | 02:47 |
| rm_you | lcuk: it's a statusbar applet | 02:48 |
| rm_you | so it's in control panel -> panels | 02:48 |
| rm_you | sec, new version is much cooler :P will upload it brifly | 02:48 |
| rm_you | *briefly | 02:48 |
| lcuk | thanks lololol | 02:48 |
| lcuk | just as i manage to get v0.00000001 on | 02:48 |
| * lcuk is behind the curve | 02:48 | |
| timely | jga23: not really | 02:49 |
| timely | there's no tablet-browser-ui for intel | 02:49 |
| timely | at least, afaik | 02:50 |
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| lcuk2 | hmm its not listed in panels | 02:51 |
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| johnx | timely, would it work in scratchbox under the qemu ARMEL target? | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It appeared right away for me without me even doing anything when I used install.sh | 02:53 |
| lcuk | ill try it again | 02:54 |
| timely | johnx: if you got tablet-browser-ui and friends, yeah | 02:54 |
| timely | there's dpkg-repackage thing floating around, so you could use that... | 02:54 |
| johnx | interesting | 02:54 |
| * timely has written a basic script that's equivalent, but a real app is better... | 02:55 | |
| Abulafia | huh. why wont etch d/l gcc. | 02:57 |
| johnx | I've been running Debian (and derivatives) for 8+ years and I still feel like I hardly know 10% of the software available ... | 02:57 |
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| Luria | this is nuts. | 02:59 |
| lcuk2 | ahhh | 02:59 |
| timely | johnx: if you know about more than 2% of the software, you're a genious | 02:59 |
| lcuk2 | : No such file or directorym/omapfb/panel/backlight_level | 03:00 |
| lcuk | thats from the line chmod a+w /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level | 03:00 |
| johnx | heh, definitely not. I just picked a random number... | 03:01 |
| * timely picks better random numbers =b | 03:01 | |
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| timely | how do i reconfigure sshd w/o being root? | 03:02 |
| lcuk | walking the tree its there | 03:02 |
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| johnx | timely, you don't... | 03:04 |
| timely | ok, suppose i was root, how would i reconfigure sshd? | 03:05 |
| dragorn | edit /etc/ssh/sshd.conf | 03:06 |
| rm_you | how do i force tar not to save the owner/group when i create a new tarball | 03:06 |
| timely | use zip ;-b | 03:06 |
| timely | --no-same-permissions | 03:06 |
| lcuk2 | got it! i did each line manually and its appeared | 03:06 |
| timely | rm_you: how about --group use_this_group | 03:07 |
| rm_you | but i want it to save the rwx flags.... will that erase those? | 03:07 |
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| timely | and --owner use_this_owner | 03:07 |
| timely | hrm, well, those work on bsd | 03:08 |
| timely | if you're using gnu, i'm sorry ;-b | 03:08 |
| johnx | or tell people extracting it to use -o | 03:08 |
| timely | hrm, --group exists | 03:08 |
| johnx | timely, looks like all those are present on gnu tar | 03:08 |
| * timely can't find --owner in man tar on dh | 03:09 | |
| johnx | it's here in gtar 1.18 | 03:09 |
| timely | what's the date of your man page? | 03:11 |
| rm_you | ok... | 03:11 |
| rm_you | http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight-0.1.tar | 03:12 |
| timely | so... what is actually preventing sshd from starting? | 03:12 |
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| rm_you | cooler :P should still work approx the same | 03:12 |
| rm_you | now to start brainstorming on how to make it a small popup... | 03:12 |
| johnx | timely: you mean it's not starting with the system? or you can't even run it by hand? | 03:13 |
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| timely | there's no /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 03:14 |
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| johnx | timely, you're on BSD right now I take it? or is this the Debian box? | 03:16 |
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| timely | my 770 is unhappy, my mac is in front of me, and i have access to dreamhost which has dpkg tools | 03:17 |
| timely | from which i've made various debs | 03:17 |
| johnx | ok, and which box has no /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? | 03:18 |
| timely | 770 | 03:18 |
| johnx | dropbear sshd or openssh sshd? | 03:18 |
| timely | open | 03:19 |
| rm_you | heh | 03:19 |
| rm_you | so... a GtkMenuItem is a subclass of GtkBin... which MAYBE means i can put stuff in it? eh? :P | 03:20 |
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| dragorn | what are you trying to put into it | 03:21 |
| rm_you | a random GtkWidget | 03:21 |
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| rm_you | like for instance... a hildon_control_bar | 03:22 |
| dragorn | Hm, never tried. You can pack a lot of stuff into a lot of other stuff, in general... | 03:22 |
| dragorn | I suppose it would depend if menuitem is compatible as a container | 03:23 |
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| dragorn | Sure that's the best way to do what you want to do, tho? (doing weird things to standard widgets often causes user angst) | 03:24 |
| jga23 | anybody get google spreadsheets running well on os2008? | 03:24 |
| rm_you | dragorn: no idea... but no better ideas >_> | 03:24 |
| timely | jga23: what's wrong w/ it? | 03:25 |
| jga23 | timely: if you have anything passed 30 or so rows of data, you can't scroll | 03:25 |
| rm_you | dragorn: what command would i use to try to pack a GtkWidget called "mywidget" into a bin called "mybin"? >_> i'm new to GTK and their documentation is confusing me | 03:25 |
| timely | jga23: try http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-pageupdown-0.1.deb ? | 03:27 |
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| rm_you | gtk_container_add(GTK_CONTAINER(mybin), mywidget); ? | 03:27 |
| dragorn | yeah | 03:27 |
| jga23 | timely: what's that do? | 03:28 |
| rm_you | hrm, well it fits in there bit if i try to click on the control, it thinks i'm trying to click on the menu item, so it closes the menu | 03:28 |
| rm_you | ah | 03:28 |
| timely | jga23: there's a description, an there are sources to all my debs next to them | 03:29 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 03:30 |
| dragorn | rm_you: you can munge with the events, but I don't know how you'd do it offhand | 03:31 |
| Andy80 | the back light on the keyboard is very usefull in the dark :p | 03:31 |
| dragorn | rm_you: google for a popup menu example | 03:31 |
| johnx | rm_you, the smallest, simplest, most similar thing might be the backlight setting slider on GPE | 03:32 |
| Andy80 | has kismet already been ported to os2008? | 03:32 |
| rm_you | hrmrm | 03:32 |
| timely | ok, why else would sshd not start? | 03:34 |
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| timely | there's now an sshd_config | 03:34 |
| johnx | if you run as root: /usr/sbin/sshd, what happens? | 03:34 |
| timely | it says it can't read the ssh key | 03:35 |
| timely | which is true, they're only readable by root | 03:35 |
| timely | there doesn't seem to be an rcN.d entry for ssh | 03:35 |
| rm_you | ok well, off to go drinking :P toodles | 03:36 |
| rm_you | i'll work on this more tomorrow | 03:36 |
| lcuk | cya rm, have fun | 03:37 |
| johnx | later rm_you | 03:37 |
| lcuk | thanx :) | 03:37 |
| * lcuk buys rm a virtual beer | 03:37 | |
| johnx | dpkg-reconfigure openssh-sshd | 03:37 |
| timely | johnx: i can't, i'm not root | 03:38 |
| timely | and i'm not interactive | 03:38 |
| johnx | aaaah...ok, I'm beginning to understand | 03:38 |
| rm_you | oh yeah, latest one has a decent icon, clicking on the icon again kills the window, and after the first change, the icon fills/empties itself like the real applet :P | 03:38 |
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| penguinbait | does nokia make anyone else feel like a crack addict? | 03:40 |
| johnx | so you can get an interactive shell as user but not root? | 03:40 |
| timely | johnx: yes | 03:41 |
| penguinbait | I want my freaking 810 argh!!!!!!! | 03:41 |
| timely | but i have dpkg -i via app manager | 03:41 |
| timely | so i can root the box slowly :) | 03:41 |
| Luria | aah too much linux | 03:41 |
| Luria | brain hurts | 03:41 |
| johnx | can't you just use application manager to install a tool that gets your root? or is that broken somehow? | 03:41 |
| timely | i don't know of an easy tool | 03:42 |
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| timely | i suppose i could spawn an xterm | 03:42 |
| timely | seems kinda stupid | 03:42 |
| penguinbait | becomeroot | 03:43 |
| johnx | I can't remember: can you install becomeroot through app manager? or does it only work with dpkg -i | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works through app manager. | 03:44 |
| lcuk | i just installed it through app manager | 03:44 |
| lcuk | but you must have done the red pill thing i think and installed the correct repository | 03:44 |
| johnx | timely, use becomeroot, unless you really like the challenge of hacking out root without "cheating" | 03:44 |
| timely | johnx: it's fun | 03:44 |
| johnx | ahahaha | 03:45 |
| dragorn | Andy80: The wireless drivers don't work consistently | 03:45 |
| Luria | whats the big deal? ssh works fine | 03:46 |
| dragorn | Andy80: until I figure out why, or until someone sends me patches, there won't be kismet for 8x0 | 03:46 |
| johnx | timely seems to like creating problems for himself to "fix" I guess | 03:46 |
| Luria | user is passwd -l by default, yes? | 03:48 |
| johnx | I think that's what it amounts to | 03:48 |
| Luria | probably ideal then to passwd -l root and add another user | 03:49 |
| Luria | no? | 03:49 |
| timely | ok | 03:50 |
| timely | so what else could be wrong? | 03:50 |
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| Andy80 | thanks | 03:50 |
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| johnx | timely, it sounds like sshd wasn't installed properly somehow and so you don't have a key | 03:52 |
| johnx | maybe it was unpacked but the postinst script didn't run? | 03:52 |
| timely | johnx: there's a key | 03:52 |
| timely | configure failed | 03:52 |
| timely | it wanted user input | 03:52 |
| timely | which is nice, given there's no input in app manager | 03:52 |
| johnx | seriously, the easiest way to fix this is to just install becomeroot, and troubleshoot as root | 03:53 |
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| halley | Setting a password on the user can screw up the app manager that way. | 03:57 |
| pupnik | on os2006 i have no problems with a user password | 03:57 |
| timely | user:!:.... | 03:57 |
| timely | according to passwd | 03:57 |
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| halley | I couldn't make OS2008 run like ubuntu/osx where root has no legal password and you sudo everything with a strong user password; the app manager doesn't handle that properly. | 03:58 |
| halley | It also got stuck in reboot sometimes. | 03:58 |
| timely | cute | 03:58 |
| derf | I enjoyed not being able to change my shell. | 03:58 |
| derf | I only bricked the thing three times before I figured out that was what was doing it. | 03:59 |
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| derf | I also like how it thinks root's homedir is /home/user... meaning root can't have separate config files. | 04:00 |
| whizziwig | hey all -- playing with an n770 -- I'm wondering how I can put it to sleep from the commandline? | 04:00 |
| derf | whizziwig: There's probably a way to do it via dbus. | 04:01 |
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| derf | Run dbus-monitor --system and blank & lock keys manually, and see what scrolls by. | 04:02 |
| timely | derf: eh? | 04:06 |
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| derf | You don't think so? | 04:07 |
| timely | passwd in 2006 says root = /root | 04:07 |
| timely | note that sudo doesn't give you a full env | 04:07 |
| timely | unless you sudo su - iirc (- is important) | 04:07 |
| derf | timely: Oh. Well that could also be the problem. | 04:07 |
| derf | I know what - does. | 04:07 |
| derf | I just run sudo gainroot. | 04:07 |
| timely | it's the standard user error (sudo w/o su -) | 04:08 |
| timely | sudo gainroot su - :0 | 04:08 |
| derf | Because, IIRC, su - didn't work. | 04:08 |
| timely | or ssh root@127.1 | 04:08 |
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| timely | by the time you're done, ssh root@127.1 is much better | 04:08 |
| timely | (if you can make it work | 04:08 |
| ds3 | can the network perference in OS2007 be tuned so it will drop a Bluetooth connection in favor of WiFi? | 04:08 |
| * timely doesn't think so | 04:09 | |
| timely | too logical | 04:09 |
| ds3 | it is so close to being perfect | 04:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would be great, ds3. | 04:09 |
| derf | ds3: Perfect as in it gives you no way to express any preference? | 04:09 |
| ds3 | got mail polling on there, got jabber running... if it would only use what the user consider the best network | 04:10 |
| whizziwig | echo standby > /sys/power/state turns it off, but it won't wake u | 04:10 |
| ds3 | derf: no, I been looking for a device that will let me roam between hertrogenous networks | 04:10 |
| derf | whizziwig: _Actually_ suspending, as opposed to just blanking the screen and locking the keys, is completely different. | 04:10 |
| derf | There's a hardware watchdog timer that is a dead-man's switch. | 04:11 |
| derf | If a certain thing doesn't get frobbed every 64 seconds, it reboots. | 04:11 |
| ds3 | what about SCO sockets, do any of them work with the stock kernel? | 04:11 |
| whizziwig | blanking the screen would be fine | 04:11 |
| elb | derf, timely: sudo -i | 04:12 |
| elb | there's no need to have a root login at all | 04:12 |
| whizziwig | what happens when you put the cover on? is that "suspend" or just screen balnking? | 04:13 |
| derf | Just screen blanking (I presume, I don't have a 770). | 04:14 |
| ds3 | there is a bluetooth headset emulator that would be nice to have on the 800 | 04:14 |
| derf | maddler had a script that does real suspend (waking up every 60 seconds to frob the watchdog), but I'm pretty sure nothing uses that normally. | 04:14 |
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| whizziwig | I found that in the chat logs | 04:14 |
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| jga23 | timely: that deb didn't fix google spreadsheets | 04:17 |
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| whizziwig | okay, let's try this from the other direction -- is there an easy way to trigger an activity on wake up? | 04:29 |
| penguinbait | tie a string around your finger? | 04:30 |
| whizziwig | err, of my 770 | 04:31 |
| penguinbait | sorry trying to read up | 04:31 |
| penguinbait | what are you trying to do? | 04:31 |
| derf | Easy? No, probably not. | 04:31 |
| penguinbait | I think its a script that runs on 770, or it used to be? | 04:32 |
| whizziwig | an artist friend wants to play a video on wakeup and then send it back to sleep | 04:32 |
| derf | Well, if you're willing to write code, you could monitor dbus events. | 04:32 |
| whizziwig | writing code is fine | 04:32 |
| derf | Then that's probably the easiest route. | 04:33 |
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| whizziwig | how can I figure out the dbus event for resume and slep? | 04:33 |
| whizziwig | watching the monitor didn't do much earlier | 04:33 |
| derf | I know it did a lot on the N800. | 04:33 |
| derf | I have no idea on the 770. | 04:33 |
| derf | Though I thought most of the same events were triggered. | 04:34 |
| derf | They certainly were for the AC adapter state. | 04:34 |
| whizziwig | maybe it shut down wireless before it sent the event, so I lost it when running over ssh? | 04:34 |
| derf | I'd think you'd notice your ssh session disappearing. | 04:37 |
| johnx | whizziwig, maybe you could run it inside screen? | 04:38 |
| whizziwig | the connection resumed though, I saw some wakeup events, but none of the sleep ones | 04:38 |
| derf | Well, I mean, it's TCP. It can't send just "some" of the packets. | 04:39 |
| derf | If you saw anything you saw everything up to that point. | 04:39 |
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| elb | dbus isn't TCP, it's Unix domain sockets | 04:40 |
| derf | elb: ssh is. | 04:40 |
| elb | yeah, I figured out what he was trying to say after I sent that | 04:40 |
| elb | it didn't compute the first time ;-) | 04:40 |
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| whizziwig | okay, I'm too tired to deal with this tonight | 04:51 |
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| whizziwig | what's the simplest way to send dbus events to the system to test, without cross-compling a c program? | 04:56 |
| halley | python? | 04:56 |
| whizziwig | I'd need to install that, yes? | 04:57 |
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| whizziwig | should this theoretically cause some event to get triggered that dims the screen: dbus-send --system /com/nokia/bme/signal com.nokia.bme.signal.charger_disconnected | 05:05 |
| halley | It's well worth it to have python on the device. | 05:05 |
| elb | and here I thought python was part of the base system | 05:06 |
| whizziwig | Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "charger_charging_off" with signature "" on interface "com.nokia.bme.signal" doesn't exist | 05:07 |
| halley | elb, I don't think so, but it was in the first three installs I did. | 05:07 |
| elb | I can't really tell, from scratchbox, what is the base system and what isn't | 05:07 |
| * elb cuts letstalk.com with a knife | 05:07 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if Application Manager would show you new entries. | 05:10 |
| Esworp | Or at least a rss feed of new downloads, particularly w/garage | 05:11 |
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| Vulc|Sick | any new (As of this year) apps that I should know about, or updates to old ones for OS08 | 05:27 |
| Vulc|Sick | ? | 05:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Vulc|Sick, refresh App Manager and look around. :P | 05:28 |
| Vulc|Sick | Yeah, its not liking me tonight | 05:29 |
| Vulc|Sick | I also found my n800 case (The sleeve that came with it) is tearing :( | 05:29 |
| Vulc|Sick | Holy crap, theres a dosbox port? | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Has been for a long timee | 05:32 |
| * Vulc|Sick should try to get keen working or something. | 05:32 | |
| Vulc|Sick | Not on 08 | 05:32 |
| Vulc|Sick | Though, last I checked the app manager was december | 05:32 |
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| Vulc|Sick | Er, now app manager is crashing with everything | 05:36 |
| Vulc|Sick | restarting to see if that fixes | 05:36 |
| unique311 | Current version of Peekaboo does not work properly behind NAT. To be able to stream to internet, your N800 should have public ip address. | 05:36 |
| unique311 | how do i give my N800 a public IP address if its 1 of 4 computers behind the router | 05:37 |
| unique311 | or do they mean pubilc ip as in the 192.168.x.x | 05:38 |
| unique311 | ?? | 05:38 |
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| unique311 | got this thing running on os2008 but i can't get it to stream for the life of me. | 05:38 |
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| unique311 | its actually streaming. but my notebook won't pick up the stream. and the only problem i can think of is this public ip crap. | 05:39 |
| unique311 | anyone, | 05:39 |
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| johnx | can't stream inside your own LAN? | 05:41 |
| dragorn | unique311: it means you need multiple public IP addresses from your ISP, one of which should not be natted | 05:41 |
| dragorn | unique311: if those docs are correct and you're trying to stream from outside of your private network | 05:42 |
| johnx | or you can just do a little port forwarding | 05:42 |
| dragorn | johnx: Maybe. Unless it does dynamic port selection or something. | 05:42 |
| johnx | ah | 05:42 |
| dragorn | johnx: I'd *hope* if it was that simple they'd document it | 05:42 |
| dragorn | johnx: But I don't know what he's doing, so what do I know? :) | 05:42 |
| johnx | I haven't looked at it yet | 05:43 |
| * johnx looks | 05:43 | |
| unique311 | dragorn, yes and no | 05:43 |
| dragorn | unique311: if you're streaming from one computer to another on your internal network, then it shouldn't matter | 05:43 |
| unique311 | i was trying to stream withing my network | 05:43 |
| unique311 | with the default 192.168.1.x:port | 05:44 |
| unique311 | that doesn't seem to want to work | 05:44 |
| dragorn | there shouldn't be any NAT between two systems on your internal net | 05:44 |
| unique311 | but then at the bottom of the tutorial page | 05:44 |
| unique311 | it states the latest build doesn | 05:44 |
| unique311 | t | 05:44 |
| unique311 | work behind NAT | 05:44 |
| unique311 | ok | 05:45 |
| unique311 | so its a problem with the recieving end? it looks like peekaboo is streaming | 05:45 |
| unique311 | tried it from the command line, no errors | 05:45 |
| dragorn | what they mean is it doesn't work THROUGH nat. Unless it thinks it needs to talk to some server on the internet to stream to a local system. | 05:46 |
| unique311 | johnx, i already set up port forwarding. | 05:47 |
| unique311 | install more codecs. | 05:47 |
| unique311 | not sure why its not working now. | 05:47 |
| unique311 | then again, maybe thats why the devs didn't bother porting it to os2008 | 05:48 |
| johnx | I thought you were trying to access it from the internet | 05:48 |
| unique311 | well yes, after the local failure. | 05:48 |
| unique311 | but that doesn't make sense, if it fails within a local area network...don't see why it would work from the internet. | 05:49 |
| pupnik | yup | 05:50 |
| unique311 | ok this is where i'm at....i start peekaboo on the device. | 05:51 |
| unique311 | then on my notebook i point firefox to the ip:port that shows up in peekaboo | 05:52 |
| unique311 | it goes to the address. | 05:52 |
| unique311 | nice gui | 05:52 |
| unique311 | so its streaming right? | 05:52 |
| unique311 | when i stop peekaboo, the ip:port fails | 05:53 |
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| unique311 | ip : port | 05:53 |
| skibur | penguinbait, did you understand the font issue? | 05:53 |
| unique311 | he just left skibur | 05:53 |
| skibur | ;) | 05:53 |
| skibur | ;( | 05:54 |
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| unique311 | i checked the vlc_streaming_server file. <-- which is a config file i think. | 05:56 |
| unique311 | http://pastebin.ca/848978 | 05:56 |
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| unique311 | should i try another VCODEC? | 05:58 |
| unique311 | it was set to wmv2 | 05:58 |
| unique311 | tried mp4v | 05:58 |
| unique311 | ogg | 05:58 |
| unique311 | and now avi | 05:58 |
| unique311 | same result with all of them. | 05:58 |
| unique311 | black screen | 05:58 |
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| pupnik | i have no idea unique311 | 06:17 |
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| unique311 | its streaming | 06:30 |
| unique311 | just don't think the recieving end is working | 06:30 |
| unique311 | which is the notebook | 06:30 |
| unique311 | i don't get it. | 06:30 |
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| unique311 | anyone want to try it. | 06:31 |
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| unique311 | see if they can get it to work | 06:32 |
| unique311 | http://www.divshare.com/download/3410883-3d7 | 06:36 |
| unique311 | lemme know if ya get it working. | 06:36 |
| johnx | is that deb for 2008 or 2007? | 06:36 |
| unique311 | 2008 | 06:37 |
| johnx | will download and tell you how it works here | 06:38 |
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| unique311 | johnx, install will complain about libvorbisidec1 libmad and libogg. | 06:43 |
| unique311 | remove them if you have them installed, and when you run dpkg -i peek*.deb it will install those 3 libraries. | 06:44 |
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| unique311 | when i get it to work, i will try to compile it where it use the lib from the repository, instead of the ones that were built with it. | 06:45 |
| johnx | is the package you linked different from the one on the site in some way? | 06:46 |
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| unique311 | no | 06:48 |
| unique311 | i downloaded the source from the garage. | 06:48 |
| unique311 | and ran some commands. | 06:48 |
| johnx | uhm...this is for 2007 | 06:48 |
| unique311 | no | 06:48 |
| johnx | or yours is actually for 2008? | 06:48 |
| unique311 | the 2007 version will not work for os2008 | 06:48 |
| johnx | right, so you compiled it for 2008? | 06:49 |
| unique311 | so i had to rebuild it for 2008 | 06:49 |
| unique311 | yes | 06:49 |
| johnx | ah, so it is different than the one on the site :) | 06:49 |
| unique311 | well if different means compile for os2008 then yes | 06:49 |
| johnx | sorry I was unclear | 06:49 |
| unique311 | cool | 06:50 |
| unique311 | there was code for initializing dvd cd divices that was keeping it from compiling. | 06:51 |
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| unique311 | made some changes...but i dont think thats why it acting up. | 06:51 |
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| unique311 | like i said its seems to be working. when i point the browser to the the stream address, it connects. | 06:52 |
| unique311 | just get a black screen. | 06:52 |
| unique311 | i am running vista on this notebook. | 06:52 |
| unique311 | ubuntu inside of vmware | 06:52 |
| johnx | hmm | 06:54 |
| johnx | this really needs to get repackaged at some point | 06:54 |
| johnx | overwriting random libraries = not cool | 06:54 |
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| unique311 | true | 06:55 |
| johnx | I can't even connect to it :/ | 06:56 |
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| unique311 | you forward the ports | 06:57 |
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| unique311 | 8080 and 8888 | 06:57 |
| johnx | I'm inside a LAN | 06:57 |
| unique311 | same here. | 06:58 |
| johnx | you said it connected for you? | 06:58 |
| unique311 | still had to forward the ports | 06:58 |
| unique311 | yes | 06:58 |
| johnx | there's nowhere to forward them *to* | 06:58 |
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| unique311 | go to port forward. 8080 and 8888 to device ip | 06:59 |
| unique311 | tcp | 06:59 |
| unique311 | ing | 06:59 |
| johnx | it doesn't make sense to forward ports inside a LAN. it doesn't do anything | 07:00 |
| unique311 | it doesn't, but is what i had to do in order to make the it work. | 07:00 |
| unique311 | hold on. | 07:00 |
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| unique311 | i remove the it the 2 forwards (8080 and 8888 to device ip) doesn't want to connect. | 07:04 |
| johnx | I can pretty much tell you for a fact that peekaboo doesn't even get the port allocated | 07:05 |
| unique311 | re-added them and it connects. | 07:05 |
| unique311 | so why is that^^^? | 07:06 |
| johnx | when you connect from your laptop does it give you a page or just a black screen? | 07:06 |
| unique311 | a page | 07:07 |
| johnx | and it's the peekaboo page? | 07:07 |
| unique311 | the peekaboo i see you page | 07:07 |
| unique311 | yes | 07:07 |
| unique311 | another thing | 07:07 |
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| unique311 | when i click on the black screen it wakes the device up | 07:07 |
| johnx | ok, well you're getting more than me | 07:08 |
| unique311 | you want to see a screen shot? | 07:08 |
| johnx | I believe you | 07:08 |
| johnx | I just don't understand it | 07:08 |
| unique311 | cool | 07:08 |
| unique311 | so my problem is the video codec | 07:09 |
| unique311 | yours is you don't think port forwading is needed in order to connect | 07:09 |
| johnx | well let me see if I can get peekaboo to even open a port on my machine, then I'll see if I can figure it out | 07:09 |
| johnx | well, I can see with netstat on the N800 itself that it's not opening a port | 07:10 |
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| johnx | I think it has other problems on mine | 07:15 |
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| johnx | I don't think it's ever managing to start vlc | 07:15 |
| unique311 | hmmmm | 07:17 |
| unique311 | why makes you say this? | 07:19 |
| unique311 | did you get an error message | 07:19 |
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| unique311 | welcome back | 07:21 |
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| johnx | unique311, http://pastebin.com/m51aab79 | 07:21 |
| johnx | that's after launching peekaboo and clicking play | 07:22 |
| johnx | I'm trying to track down what package might have '/usr/lib/libosso-ic-preload.so' | 07:22 |
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| johnx | unique311, for some reason it won't open the video device on mine | 07:33 |
| unique311 | holdn on | 07:33 |
| unique311 | hmmm | 07:34 |
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| johnx | once I kept it from putting vlc output in /dev/null it told me this: vlc: v4l.c:1305: OpenVideoDev: Assertion `fmt.type == V4L2_BUF_TYPE_VIDEO_CAPTURE' failed. | 07:35 |
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| unique311 | i got that error prior | 07:36 |
| unique311 | but i didn't think it matter | 07:37 |
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| johnx | ah | 07:39 |
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| unique311 | but i got that error when i tried streaming with vlc | 07:40 |
| unique311 | using a command i found on ITT | 07:41 |
| johnx | and it worked anyways? | 07:41 |
| unique311 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=120140&postcount=43 | 07:41 |
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| unique311 | but i think that post says it all. | 07:42 |
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| unique311 | the problem is not peekaboo, | 07:42 |
| johnx | I think I'll just use motion :) | 07:43 |
| unique311 | same here. | 07:44 |
| unique311 | at least it didn't break anything. | 07:44 |
| unique311 | dpkg --purge | 07:44 |
| johnx | well, we'll see if it tries to delete the libs it overwrote when I installed it | 07:44 |
| unique311 | and then install ogg vorbis and mad | 07:44 |
| unique311 | so you overwritting actually worked for you. | 07:45 |
| unique311 | i had to remove the libs | 07:45 |
| unique311 | so it would install. | 07:45 |
| johnx | well, maybe that caused problems for me | 07:45 |
| johnx | either way, the whole thing is pretty hacked up | 07:45 |
| unique311 | you should clone your os to SD | 07:46 |
| johnx | I keep thinking about it | 07:46 |
| unique311 | just in cases like this. | 07:46 |
| johnx | I probably will once I have time to reflash | 07:46 |
| johnx | eh...I'm comfortable hacking around in a debian system | 07:46 |
| unique311 | thanks for the help. | 07:46 |
| johnx | sure, sorry it didn't amount to much | 07:47 |
| unique311 | i'll probably look into why vlc is acting like a step child 2morrow | 07:47 |
| johnx | heh | 07:47 |
| johnx | sounds like a plan | 07:47 |
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| Minti | does anyone know how to run qemu inside scratchbox ? | 07:51 |
| johnx | I don't think there's an easy way | 07:51 |
| johnx | what are you trying to do? | 07:51 |
| Minti | i tryed with http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html | 07:52 |
| Minti | but i am not getting how to run it ? | 07:52 |
| johnx | are you trying to run something you compiled? | 07:53 |
| Minti | yes | 07:53 |
| johnx | scratchbox is supposed to handle that stuff automatically if I understand correctly | 07:53 |
| Minti | i first change the target to ARMEL | 07:53 |
| Minti | and them compiled basic hello hildon prog | 07:54 |
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| Minti | i type the command qemu-arm-eabi-sb2 basic (basic is my ARMEL binary) | 07:55 |
| johnx | I think you can just run "basic" without the qemu part | 07:55 |
| johnx | or that's how it's supposed to work | 07:55 |
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| unique311 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/09/android-hacked-to-run-on-real-hardware/ | 07:56 |
| unique311 | android running on the zuarus | 07:56 |
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| johnx | yeah, I just built a kernel to test it on mine :) | 07:57 |
| Minti | no bash: basic: command not found | 07:57 |
| johnx | hmm | 07:57 |
| Minti | i am getting error basic[8410]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display: if i run qemu-arm-eabi-sb2 basic | 07:59 |
| Minti | do u know witch displau we need to export i tryed 0,1,2 | 07:59 |
| johnx | there's a howto for running graphical programs | 08:00 |
| johnx | let me dig it up | 08:00 |
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| johnx | Minti, in the install check out section 4: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt | 08:02 |
| hahlo | what usb wlan chip is easiest to plug in n800? | 08:04 |
| Minti | johnx: Xephyr is running only for X86 | 08:04 |
| Minti | not for ARMEL if i understand correctly | 08:04 |
| johnx | Minti, you run xephyr on your host machine (x86) then let ARM programs connect to it | 08:04 |
| Minti | i am not getting how ARM binary will run on X86? | 08:05 |
| johnx | Minti, do you understand how X11 works to some extent? | 08:06 |
| Minti | johnx : no | 08:06 |
| johnx | ok, interested in a brief rundown of it? | 08:06 |
| Minti | johnx : yes | 08:07 |
| johnx | X11 is network transparent. When you say DISPLAY=:0 that's the short version of DISPLAY=thiscomputer:first-display | 08:07 |
| johnx | if I wanted my program to run on my computer, and display on another computer X11 can do that | 08:08 |
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| johnx | a program connects to the x server just like any other network connection, then sends what it wants the x server to display across the connection | 08:09 |
| Minti | good | 08:09 |
| johnx | think of it as a way better version of vnc or remote desktop :) | 08:09 |
| keesj | s/better/older/g | 08:10 |
| johnx | keesj, those who don't learn from Unix are doomed to reimplement it ... poorly | 08:10 |
| Minti | johnx : | 08:11 |
| Minti | qemu will give | 08:11 |
| Minti | the env | 08:11 |
| Minti | to run ur ARMEL binary on X86 | 08:11 |
| Minti | it will use X11 server only | 08:12 |
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| johnx | right, qemu runs the ARMEL binary, the armel binary connects locally (via a socket) to the X server running on your x86 host machine | 08:13 |
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| Minti | johnx: if i understand correctly then for it we hv to export display of X11 | 08:15 |
| johnx | right, just follow the instructions I linked above | 08:15 |
| johnx | it tells you what to do | 08:16 |
| johnx | it worked for me | 08:16 |
| Minti | did u try the same ? | 08:16 |
| johnx | uhm, I think I had all this working in scratchbox... | 08:17 |
| Minti | i tryed with exporting display2.. | 08:18 |
| Minti | but :( | 08:18 |
| johnx | what did it say? | 08:18 |
| Minti | johnx: Unsupported setsockopt level=1 optname=9 basic[9142]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display: | 08:19 |
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| johnx | hmm | 08:21 |
| Minti | johnx: still i start maemo ( af-sb-init.sh start) | 08:22 |
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| johnx | I'm trying to test this for myself but right now my scratchbox seems broken :/ | 08:22 |
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| Minti | johnx: i am facing one more prob with scratchbox | 08:23 |
| Minti | apt-get is not working inside scratchbox .. | 08:24 |
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| johnx | what does it say? | 08:24 |
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| Minti | johnx: i hv to restart my system bcz if i change the target it is not allowing me to change it says := sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first | 08:27 |
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| johnx | have you closed any terminal window where you're logged into scratchbox? | 08:28 |
| Minti | johnx: yes | 08:28 |
| Minti | johnx: and for apt-get : Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages | 08:28 |
| Minti | Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' | 08:28 |
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| johnx | ah, you're still using scratchbox for bora...ok I think I know how to fix that error at least | 08:29 |
| johnx | let me dig up the link | 08:29 |
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| johnx | which version of of bora is this for 3, 3.1 or 3.2? | 08:30 |
| Minti | 3.2 | 08:30 |
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| johnx | Minti, over here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installing_Maemo_SDK_on_Scratchbox | 08:32 |
| johnx | basically the solution is to replace the contents of /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf with hosts: files dns | 08:33 |
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| Luria | given the /. story from linuxdevices... is any trying to get android on the n8x0? | 08:33 |
| Minti | yes i did the same | 08:33 |
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| johnx | Luria, What I'd like to do first is get a clean copy of a system that's a little more like Debian on it | 08:34 |
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| johnx | Luria, I think it would be kind of a pain to get the Maemo stuff to not stomp all over the android stuff and vice versa | 08:35 |
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| Minti | johnx: yes i did the same | 08:36 |
| hachi | wow, my device has been processing my inbox for like 10 minutes now | 08:36 |
| johnx | Minti, well, that was my only real idea for that problem :/ | 08:36 |
| Minti | :( | 08:37 |
| johnx | can you ping google.com from inside scratchbox ? | 08:38 |
| Minti | yes only .com | 08:38 |
| Minti | not .org | 08:38 |
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| hachi | what's Xomap? | 08:39 |
| johnx | infobot Xomap | 08:39 |
| dpb_ | X server for omap | 08:39 |
| hachi | what bot is the infobot here? | 08:39 |
| johnx | I have no idea... | 08:40 |
| hachi | I need a way to debug the bluetooth serial connection, it's not working against my motorola slvr... or is this an issue I should be reporting to nokia support? | 08:40 |
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| dpb_ | blootbot apparently (http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/) | 08:41 |
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| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYVT1-xz5LM&eurl this is hillarious. | 08:41 |
| johnx | hachi, you could ask them I guess | 08:42 |
| unique311 | i have to share it | 08:42 |
| johnx | hachi, are you ok with using the command line? | 08:42 |
| keesj | unique311: not on my machine:( I will have to look at it from work | 08:42 |
| Minti | johnx: i will get back to u .. i hv to restart my system | 08:42 |
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| hachi | johnx: I'm okay with using the assembler if I have to | 08:42 |
| hachi | I don't know this platform at all, and I don't know where to start for docs | 08:43 |
| hachi | :) | 08:43 |
| johnx | yeah, on a normal linux system, everything is nicely documented in /usr/share/doc ... but they cut all the docs out of the N8x0 to save space | 08:43 |
| hachi | same reason we have busybox, and no manpages | 08:44 |
| johnx | if you want a really low level debug view of what's going on over the bluetooth link there is hcidump | 08:44 |
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| johnx | it can be a little tough to interpret though | 08:44 |
| hachi | I'm actually a little puzzled searching for anything syslog-like | 08:45 |
| hachi | do I have any sort of kernel messages at my reach? | 08:45 |
| johnx | dmesg | 08:45 |
| johnx | it will get you at least the last several k bytes... | 08:45 |
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| hachi | wow, it's... uh... logging everything | 08:48 |
| hachi | 'slide is now open' | 08:48 |
| johnx | ahaha...N800 says "I can see you in the webcam Dave" | 08:51 |
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| hachi | enprocess is part of the mail client, yes? | 08:53 |
| johnx | yes | 08:54 |
| johnx | dpkg -S enprocess | 08:54 |
| johnx | that will tell you what package owns a file | 08:54 |
| hachi | perl is on here? how silly :) | 08:55 |
| johnx | dpkg needs perl | 08:55 |
| johnx | when you say you don't know this platform, do you mean the N8x0 or Linux or Debian? | 08:55 |
| hachi | not to hot on dpkg general operation... I build packages a lot and somehow missed the basics | 08:56 |
| hachi | otherwise I'm very at home in debian land | 08:56 |
| johnx | ah, ok | 08:57 |
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| hachi | shouldn't busybox have a syslogd ? | 08:59 |
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| johnx | it can have a syslogd | 09:00 |
| johnx | Nokia didn't compile it with one | 09:00 |
| johnx | it's not an entirely friendly Debian system ... | 09:01 |
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| hachi | I don't see hcidump | 09:02 |
| johnx | I think it's in one of the default repositories ... | 09:03 |
| johnx | apt-cache search hcidump | 09:03 |
| hachi | already did that | 09:03 |
| hachi | no matches | 09:03 |
| hachi | ahh, got a pointer to a syslogd written in perl already, hoorj | 09:04 |
| johnx | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ is a great resource | 09:05 |
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| johnx | you can search for packages in pretty much all of the available repositories | 09:06 |
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| Feral_Kid | Would someone tell me how I can get the latest 2007HE firmware? | 09:09 |
| Feral_Kid | For the 770 of course... :) | 09:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | 09:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, I'll be nice | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | wasn't on the first page. | 09:11 |
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| Syntra | Guys, real quick question | 09:13 |
| Syntra | Has anyone used the A-DATA 4GB SDHC card with your N800? | 09:13 |
| Feral_Kid | Thanks, I was looking via google and going back to the Nokia pages... | 09:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Syntra, 8GB here. | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll work fine, though. | 09:14 |
| Syntra | Alright, cool | 09:14 |
| Syntra | I'm juuust about to order one | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Two of my friends have 4GB cards | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Theirs work fine. | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Newegg? | 09:15 |
| Syntra | Newegg has it for 20$ with free shipping and a 6$ MIR rebate! | 09:15 |
| Syntra | Yeah | 09:15 |
| Syntra | Thats 14 freaking bucks! :D | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 09:15 |
| hachi | is there a keychain I can install to make the install warnings turn off? | 09:15 |
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| hachi | keyring, wrong word | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 09:16 |
| hachi | okie | 09:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go vote on the bug. | 09:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 16GB A-DATA is down under $80 | 09:16 |
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| johnx | I wonder if this rate of price cuts on flash will be able to continue in the long term | 09:17 |
| Feral_Kid | Wow, 85Meg... I wasn't expecting that one.. :) So can I still use the standard Nokia flasher that I downloaded off of the Nokia site? | 09:17 |
| Syntra | Yeah | 09:18 |
| Syntra | I would have gotten the 16GB if I wasn't using a Visa Giftcard | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, you wont see more cuts for at least 6 months. | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | But SD is fast becoming the primary memory card standard | 09:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | economies of scale and whatnot. | 09:18 |
| Syntra | The flash price drops are freaking awesome, though | 09:19 |
| Syntra | I remember seeing 4GB's at 50$ a while back | 09:19 |
| johnx | yeah, at least you can get compactflash sdhc adapters | 09:19 |
| Syntra | Not to mention 16GB's... | 09:19 |
| johnx | compactflash is the the standard that still impresses me the most | 09:19 |
| BugBlue | CF is nice for bigger hardware (mini pc's/routerbla, DLSR cams/...) | 09:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | CF is huge | 09:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK for cameras and bigger stuff | 09:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | but stupid for small stuff. | 09:21 |
| johnx | what impresses me about it though is that it's still in use at all and that it still is neck-and-neck with sd for the highest capacity | 09:22 |
| Feral_Kid | Am I going blind? Where is the flash app for Windows from Nokia... All I see is I need SP2, but I don't see anything to download the app... | 09:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | nokia.com | 09:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | check the N800 support page | 09:23 |
| hachi | is the display on the n810 backlit by led or cold cathode fluorescent? | 09:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either than, or use flasher on a real computer. :P | 09:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The later, I believe, hachi. | 09:23 |
| truent | anyone use the i-blue 737 gps unit? | 09:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, love it, truent. | 09:23 |
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| truent | GeneralAntilles, its ok on os2008/ new maemomapper | 09:23 |
| truent | ? | 09:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm charging for the next answer. . . . ;) | 09:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, it runs perfectly. | 09:23 |
| pupnik | Here's my daily reminder to please post your read/write speed tests of mini/micro SD flash cards in the N810 (if you got one) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11695 | 09:24 |
| truent | ok gonna order one right now | 09:24 |
| truent | just makin sure ;p | 09:24 |
| steri | anyone tested if the 16g sd cards work with the n800? | 09:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, the work just fine, steri. | 09:24 |
| steri | goodie :) | 09:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cards up to 2048GB will work fine. | 09:25 |
| steri | getting 2x16g cards on monday | 09:25 |
| Feral_Kid | But GeneralAntilles... Don't you remember me, I was Red 9... :) | 09:25 |
| jalen | mmmm... 2TB of storage.... tasty | 09:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, Feral_Kid, I've been using this nick since 1996. :P | 09:26 |
| Feral_Kid | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, but I couldn't resist... And I have been doing IRC since I first used it on a VAX in 89... Funny how one can never seem to shake a nick... :) | 09:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Once you get an online identity together, it's tough to change. | 09:28 |
| Feral_Kid | So true, so true... | 09:28 |
| qnr-lt | heheh I've been using variations of this one since '81 on the Dow Jones Info Network, an Atari 800 & a 300 baud accoustically coupled modem :) | 09:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The best I can claim is CompServ on a Performa 400 in the early 90s | 09:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I would've been about 6 at the time. ;) | 09:29 |
| qnr-lt | lol, well, I'm an old fart | 09:29 |
| hachi | so, I stood in an outside in an open area for like 10 minutes earlier trying to get a gps lock | 09:29 |
| hachi | should I be having this much trouble getting the gps running at all? | 09:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The first one is, evidently, the hardest, hachi. | 09:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know what sort of shit chip Nokia stuck in there, though. :\ | 09:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yet another reason why the N800 is better than the N810 | 09:30 |
| johnx | there's a thread on itt where people compare who long it took | 09:30 |
| johnx | I think someone ended up taking more than an hour | 09:30 |
| Feral_Kid | qnr-lt: Ah, there is no on-line experience until you do it with a Sinclaire ZX-81... :) | 09:30 |
| Feral_Kid | Which at the time was being sold through Timex... | 09:31 |
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| johnx | I just remember from high school, having this great plan to get the serial port on a TI calculator talking to an acoustically coupled modem attached to a payphone | 09:32 |
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| qnr-lt | Feral_Kid, wow, that would be true typing torture on that keyboard | 09:32 |
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| Feral_Kid | It was, but I was oh-so-happy to make sprite graphic and it was before the C-64... | 09:33 |
| qnr-lt | though they do have their uses, my original Atari 400, from 1979 is still in daily use by a friend of mine, in a photo lab over in Italy... he loves that chemical proof monopanel keyboard | 09:33 |
| qnr-lt | well, TBH, that info is about 2 years old... but it was still running strong in 2005 | 09:34 |
| Feral_Kid | I didn't do the 400, but I did have an 800 and I do remember the Coleco Adam.... :) | 09:35 |
| Feral_Kid | Ah to be a near geezer and still be tech savvy.... | 09:36 |
| qnr-lt | <nod> well, I got a good deal through the military exchange catalog... I ended up buying both the 400 & the 800 at almost the same time... 3 or 4 weeks, if I remember correctly. I must have been a heck of a lot richer than I am now... | 09:37 |
| pupnik | should we be using higher priority when doing read/write speed testings? | 09:37 |
| * qnr-lt stops with the OT chatter :) | 09:38 | |
| pupnik | sync; time sh -c "dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc1/testfile bs=1M count=100;sync" | 09:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha, pupnik, just buy what's cheap. :P | 09:38 |
| pupnik | something like nice -19 ? | 09:38 |
| pupnik | okay | 09:38 |
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| pupnik | tbh it doesn't look like a huge difference so far | 09:38 |
| pupnik | the sandisk 8gb microSDHC looks pretty slow | 09:41 |
| pupnik | Sandisk 8GB microSDHC 10 runs avg 2.50 MB/s vs Kingston 4GB miniSDHC Flash 4GB Class 6 at 5.26 MB/s | 09:43 |
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| pupnik | so looks like there are serious differences eh | 09:44 |
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| Feral_Kid | Is the anyway to get a replacement case of the 770 without having to hope that Nokia will actually return the device? The bottom of my 770 is cracked! All I need is a stinking plastic case... | 09:50 |
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| johnx | heh. All I want is a stylus for my N800 | 09:53 |
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| Cptn-N800 | Anybody know if the os2008 backup also backs up gpe data? | 09:55 |
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| johnx | Cptn-N800, It probably doesn't | 09:58 |
| Feral_Kid | Two questions about 2007HE... Where are a list of repositories and do I use the same information to use my MMC for the root device? | 09:59 |
| Cptn-N800 | Is there anythibg that will? | 09:59 |
| Feral_Kid | Although it looks much nicer... | 09:59 |
| johnx | Feral_Kid, http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ has a list of repositories for 2006, 2007 and 2008 | 10:00 |
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| Feral_Kid | johnx: Thanks | 10:01 |
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| johnx | sure. Somehow it seems to be the best kept secret around here | 10:01 |
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| Feral_Kid | johnx: So can I use the old information from maemo.org to be able to boot from mmc. or has anything changed in the 2007HE update? | 10:10 |
| hachi | bloooooo dyyy hell, time to figure out how to purge email configs on this device | 10:11 |
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| johnx | Feral_Kid, I have no idea. I have an N800 booting off internal flash | 10:14 |
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| johnx | hachi, The builtin mail app sucks. Grab the beta of Modest | 10:15 |
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| pupnik | eager to multiboot N810 | 10:15 |
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| hachi | johnx: thanks, it's been using the whole cpu for a few hours now on me :\ | 10:16 |
| Feral_Kid | johnx: Well considering that it is going to be a minute before I can step up to my N810, I need to work on the functionality of my 770... | 10:16 |
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| disq | "We have decided to extend validity period of N810 maemo device program, new expiration date is 30.06.2008." | 10:43 |
| Cptn-N800 | ? | 10:44 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:55 |
| unique311 | hellos | 10:55 |
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| Spakman | can anyone recommend an alternative RSS reader? | 11:00 |
| keesj | google reader perhaps | 11:01 |
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| Jaffa | There's a UME guide to porting Liferea (IIRC) to Hildon. Should be easy | 11:02 |
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| keesj | my n810 has landed!!!!! /me is so happy' | 11:02 |
| onion | anyone else had this problem? the internal flash vfat partition is "too" big | 11:02 |
| timeless | as in it's 4gb instead of 2gb/ | 11:03 |
| keesj | wow xterm is even delivered as default app! | 11:03 |
| johnx | onion, yeah, other people have had that problem | 11:03 |
| onion | no, the partition is 62720 cylinders big but the device has only 61440 | 11:03 |
| johnx | yup, there's a thread on itt about it | 11:04 |
| johnx | suffice to say, I think you can just repartition it | 11:04 |
| onion | so it's backup/fdisk/mkfs/restore.. | 11:04 |
| timeless | you can, but we'd like to know about it | 11:04 |
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| onion | timeless: what do you mean? | 11:05 |
| timeless | it was a problem w/ protos, i had thought it wouldn't have been a problem for the shipping hardware | 11:05 |
| jkyro_ | hi | 11:05 |
| jkyro_ | how does one get the bluetooth name of the device? | 11:05 |
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| timeless | oops, wrong window | 11:06 |
| timeless | they asked the people who got protos to bring their devices to someone to investigate... | 11:06 |
| jkyro_ | in chinook I mean | 11:06 |
| jkyro_ | in bora it used to be in gconf, seems no more :( | 11:06 |
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| onion | timeless: I got mine using the developer discount.. should be a production model right? | 11:07 |
| timeless | certainly | 11:07 |
| timeless | protos haven't been made for a while | 11:07 |
| timeless | i'm kinda surprised that this problem made it into production :( | 11:07 |
| onion | timeless: I can imagine... "normal" Windows people must have fun with this | 11:08 |
| onion | timeless: so it's safe to just repartition ? | 11:08 |
| timeless | what's a normal windows person, and what do they have to do w/ tablets? | 11:08 |
| timeless | yeah, repartition | 11:08 |
| timeless | unless you like waiting for your internal mmc to be mounted ro and then watch apps break | 11:09 |
| timeless | if you like that, might i suggest Map? | 11:09 |
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| onion | timeless: well, they will probably get funny errors when trying to use the internal flash mounted on their desktop | 11:09 |
| timeless | if you thought Map was bad under normal conditions... | 11:09 |
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| timeless | i suppose i could try reformatting my device frrom windows | 11:10 |
| timeless | it's just as broken as yours is, just older :) | 11:10 |
| onion | timeless: what I mean is, a normal non-geek user might not understand what the problem is.. and nokia can enjoy the support calls | 11:11 |
| timeless | a non geek user who bought this device, why? | 11:12 |
| onion | timeless: :D | 11:12 |
| timeless | that's what i mean... | 11:12 |
| timeless | i'm pretty sure any windows user who bought this device will be relatively clueful | 11:12 |
| timeless | but i'd love to meet the exceptions | 11:12 |
| onion | well, compared to the 770 (or OS2006/7) this is much more consumer oriented | 11:12 |
| timeless | and thank them for supporting nokia | 11:12 |
| timeless | xterm? | 11:13 |
| johnx | hang out on itt more. You can meet all kinds of users of ... varying skill levels | 11:13 |
| timeless | no thanks :) | 11:13 |
| timeless | i have opted to take a permanent pass from that | 11:14 |
| johnx | ahaha | 11:14 |
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| johnx | still, there really are people completely new to the concept of a command line buying these devices | 11:15 |
| timeless | i'd really like to know why.. who convinced them, and what were they expecting/looking for. and of course, are they happy? | 11:16 |
| onion | I don't get it.. people used DOS just fine before winblows | 11:16 |
| timeless | my general impression about itt is it's a collection of people who aren't happy | 11:16 |
| johnx | errr...hmm | 11:17 |
| timeless | onion: fewer people, and there's something about the average understanding/expectations dropping as systems evolve | 11:17 |
| johnx | the unhappy are definitely the most vocal | 11:17 |
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| johnx | I think videos on youtube and 3rd hand accounts might have lead to some people having higher expectations for the N8x0 than were healthy | 11:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | ITT frequently makes me want to cut my eyes out. <_< | 11:19 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: Nokia market it as a high-end consumer ("prosumer"?) device. There's shouldn't be the excuse (not just heard from you) that it's aimed at Linux geeks only. | 11:20 |
| j0tt | yippie! my n810 arrived! *happy* | 11:20 |
| johnx | there is a huge divide between skill levels on ITT and not much of a middle ground | 11:20 |
| Veggen | Jaffa: but any Linux device with a non-simplified user interface will most likely be a *little* strange to a Windows user. | 11:21 |
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| Veggen | Jaffa: my opinion is that Linux is as simple as WIndows, it | 11:22 |
| Veggen | it's just different, and most people *have* Windows background. | 11:22 |
| Veggen | (I don't, so I actually find Windows difficult whenever I need to do anything but use the offered programs) | 11:22 |
| bedboi | Veggen: I find windows extremely difficult | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | Veggen: oh, I accept the device isn't suitable for real end-users; for a variety of reasons (the big one probably being still the repository mess that makes installing applications hit & miss); but Nokia are selling it as a consumer device: so these problems needs to be solved or there'll be very negative reviews) | 11:23 |
| glass | hehe | 11:23 |
| bedboi | i don't use it since Win 98 times | 11:23 |
| johnx | I'm not trying to bash MS here...but trying to learn how a computer works with Windows as an example is *unhealthy* | 11:23 |
| glass | windows is difficult - but most problems for it have a solution available | 11:23 |
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| Jaffa | There's certainly no need a Linux/Unix-like OS needs to be hard to use (see Mac OS X/the iPod Touch as different exteremes) | 11:23 |
| Veggen | bedboi: I sort of have to, for specific administrative things. But I'd be mad if I had to use it for my productive work ;) | 11:23 |
| johnx | glass, until you run into a problem with svchost.exe | 11:23 |
| glass | johnx: or corrupted dll's that prevent you from installing any new hw | 11:24 |
| Veggen | bedboi: and I've vowed never to take responsibility for anything on windows. Whatsoever. | 11:24 |
| * bedboi is so glad he doesn't know what svchost.exe is... i just heard it is the favorite target for viruses | 11:24 | |
| Veggen | If someone asks me to help them with something *on* Windows, I'll insist having someone to help me with the windows-things of it. | 11:25 |
| bedboi | yep, configuring devices (i.e. network devices) is a pain in windows | 11:25 |
| Veggen | I do understand those who like it, though. It's all habits. | 11:25 |
| johnx | Jaffa, The iPod touch is a great example in that the included software is completely simple but not quite enough and to put *anything* else on their requires actually cracking into the device | 11:26 |
| bedboi | btw this is a dangerous thing to discuss about, and i have to give a class in 1 h and still have to check what I have to say | 11:26 |
| Jaffa | johnx: agreed, but an SDK has been promised. And even without it there are some usable apps. | 11:26 |
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| johnx | right, but you can't deny that adding those extra apps is far from simple or foolproof or reliable | 11:27 |
| * Jaffa 's argument is that the mentality "users need to learn, users are just used to Windows, and/or users who don't know Linux command lines shouldn't buy it" are long-term dangerous; and paper over serious usability flaws (such as installing software) | 11:27 | |
| bedboi | btw, i find n770, n800, n810 very usable devices. | 11:27 |
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| bedboi | my brother (who is a lawyer) even didn't find out it was linux | 11:28 |
| Jaffa | johnx: agreed entirely. | 11:28 |
| bedboi | when i said so he went "OH MY GOD? WHERE IS WINDOWS?" | 11:28 |
| bedboi | lawyers | 11:28 |
| johnx | Jaffa, agreed WRT to the "if you don't like the CLI then go away" | 11:32 |
| timeless | for the record, i'm not advocating cli. i'm merely saying that adding cli is imo a path away from end users | 11:33 |
| timeless | even though nt and osx have always had cli | 11:33 |
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| timeless | most phones do not have cli | 11:33 |
| timeless | and i'm away that the current offerings are not phones | 11:34 |
| johnx | there is something to be said for the fact that Windows users suffer when switching to *Mac* as well | 11:34 |
| timeless | whatever a prosumer may be, they've probably purchased phones before | 11:34 |
| onion | nothing on the tablets forces to use a cli so I don't see a problem there | 11:34 |
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| johnx | a lot of the additional software does | 11:35 |
| johnx | when people realize how much of the functionality they were going to get "for free" actually requires effort and learning on their part they get angry | 11:35 |
| onion | johnx: well if they are cli apps.. but nothing forces a user to use them | 11:36 |
| johnx | Right, I didn't say it was *rational* | 11:36 |
| Jaffa | It's the third party stuff which is the problem. Using the device with the built-in software is fine & dandy. But having so many repositories with inter-dependencies makes installing software overly hard. | 11:36 |
| Jaffa | All software should be in, say, extras with no dependencies on any repository which is not installed by default (or in extras as well) | 11:36 |
| Jaffa | That'd solve almost all of the problems with third party software installation. | 11:37 |
| johnx | Jaffa, maybe extras and extras-beta or something like that, but agreed in principle | 11:37 |
| johnx | well, most of the, | 11:37 |
| johnx | some works in progress that *just aren't packaged yet* still get people into trouble | 11:37 |
| johnx | also, for a lot of people this is there first time making packages so there can be some rough edges anyways | 11:38 |
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| Jaffa | johnx: agreed; auto-builders and more of a community around extras (i.e. a set of community maintainers as gatekeepers) could help. | 11:40 |
| johnx | there really needs to be a way for clueful users to actually lend a hand | 11:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ^ definitely | 11:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The community is so much faster responding to issues than Nokia. | 11:42 |
| johnx | and for gods sake, someone needs to be able to *sticky* threads on itt | 11:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only one admin on ITT. <_< | 11:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need some distribution of power in a lot of areas. | 11:43 |
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| johnx | so much yes | 11:43 |
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| johnx | also, there's a newbie section of the board...I sometimes think there should be a "Unix geeks" section of the board | 11:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The wiki needs more work. | 11:47 |
| johnx | yeah | 11:47 |
| johnx | yeah | 11:48 |
| * johnx never feels like writing documentation | 11:48 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I spend too much of my time doing triage on the forums to bother with it. | 11:49 |
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| johnx | that's the problem right there | 11:50 |
| timeless | too few helpers? | 11:50 |
| timeless | has anyone looked at forum.nokia.com for n810? | 11:50 |
| timeless | iirc it's supposed to exist | 11:50 |
| johnx | you guys have a forum?! | 11:51 |
| timeless | i wouldn't go that far | 11:51 |
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| timeless | for one, it isn't us | 11:51 |
| timeless | it's some other group :) | 11:51 |
| timeless | http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/platforms/maemo/index.html | 11:51 |
| kulve | http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/N810 | 11:51 |
| * timeless has absolutely no idea what content is in there | 11:52 | |
| timeless | (or how much of it is wrong) | 11:52 |
| johnx | it's mostly about dev stuff I think | 11:52 |
| johnx | when you said forum I thought you meant "discussion board" | 11:52 |
| * timeless has no idea what forum.nokia.com is or does :) | 11:53 | |
| kulve | johnx: there's forum too | 11:53 |
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| kulve | and blogs etc | 11:53 |
| timeless | http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/index.php | 11:53 |
| johnx | doesn't seem to have much n8x0 content ... | 11:53 |
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| kulve | but the whole thing is (has been) mainly meant for the symbian stuff. But they seem to want more maemo stuff there too | 11:53 |
| johnx | maybe they should make a maemo section on the discussion forum area? | 11:54 |
| timeless | johnx: too logical? | 11:54 |
| timeless | they might take feedback, but i wouldn't know where, give them some :) | 11:54 |
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| timeless | strange, http://community.forum.nokia.com/ has a maemo section | 11:55 |
| johnx | heh...that's actually another thing about itt. A lot of users feel compelled to post their...ahem, feedback about the N8x0 stuff to it, thinking that someone at Nokia who has the power to do anything about it will actually read it | 11:55 |
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| timeless | i don't understand why discussions doesn't | 11:55 |
| johnx | can we forward angry comments from users somewhere? or tell them to send someone@nokia an email? | 11:58 |
| timeless | johnx: maemo-developers also gets the same sort of "feedback" | 11:58 |
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| Khertan | Hi | 11:58 |
| timeless | johnx: i always suggest "nokia care" | 11:58 |
| timeless | they are officially responsible for collecting and reporting about "feedback" | 11:59 |
| timeless | they should have both local phone numbers and some web feedback | 11:59 |
| johnx | excellent | 11:59 |
| johnx | I'll write up a template post I can use | 11:59 |
| timeless | iirc http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8 has a note about nokia care | 12:00 |
| timeless | but yeah, while you're sending feedback around, please ask the forum people why they don't have a discussion section | 12:01 |
| johnx | do people who actually work for Nokia hang out on discussion.forum.nokia.com ? | 12:03 |
| timeless | in theory | 12:03 |
| johnx | good enough | 12:03 |
| timeless | again, it's new from a maemo perspective, so we wouldn't really have occasion to know | 12:03 |
| timeless | probably best to scan through the s60 sections and see if that holds true | 12:03 |
| timeless | i believe that there probably should be some forum nokia employees in those things helping out | 12:04 |
| timeless | if not people specifically from {whichever group} | 12:04 |
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| timeless | note that i wouldn't want to suggest forum nokia to the itt crowd | 12:04 |
| timeless | basically, for now, it's something that a couple of people here should look at, and see if it's comfortable/maleable/useful | 12:05 |
| timeless | if so, slowly stretch/spread it | 12:05 |
| johnx | don't want the unwashed masses trampling down the gates? :P | 12:05 |
| timeless | precisely | 12:05 |
| johnx | so we get to keep 'em? heh | 12:05 |
| fugitivo | oh hell, gmail is down | 12:05 |
| timeless | eh? gmail wfm | 12:05 |
| johnx | fugitivo, seriously? | 12:05 |
| timeless | it really wfm | 12:05 |
| fugitivo | i can't access my gmail account and my 2 google apps accounts | 12:06 |
| johnx | it's fine for me | 12:06 |
| timeless | web browser or otherwsie? | 12:06 |
| fugitivo | other sites are working | 12:06 |
| fugitivo | maybe it's my isp | 12:06 |
| timeless | does docs.google.com work? | 12:07 |
| fugitivo | yes | 12:07 |
| timeless | (calendar and reader are hosted by .google.com) | 12:07 |
| hachi | can I get my keyboard on the 810 to require chording to do 'shift' and 'fn' operations? | 12:07 |
| johnx | fugitivo, it works here | 12:07 |
| fugitivo | and my google apps docs works | 12:07 |
| fugitivo | but not mail | 12:07 |
| fugitivo | calendar is working | 12:08 |
| fugitivo | something wrong with mail | 12:08 |
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| Jaffa | hachi: what do you mean? | 12:21 |
| fugitivo | I restarted firefox and now it works, weird | 12:22 |
| fugitivo | Dear maemo contributor, We have decided to extend validity period of N810 maemo device program, new expiration date is 30.06.2008. | 12:22 |
| fugitivo | :) | 12:22 |
| fugitivo | that means that USA won't have stock for several months :) | 12:23 |
| johnx | Jaffa, I assume he means he wants it to make him hold shift+a to get A | 12:23 |
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| hachi | Jaffa: yeah, johnx is correct | 12:29 |
| florian | re | 12:29 |
| hachi | actually, what I want is to get rid of that giant white bar on the bottom edge of my screen to tell me my shifty state | 12:29 |
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| ptman | finally, I got my N810 | 12:33 |
| bedboi | have fun | 12:34 |
| ptman | oh, I will | 12:34 |
| hachi | I like it :) | 12:34 |
| ptman | thanks for the discount, Nokia, otherwise I would have had to let this pass since I have the N800 | 12:35 |
| hachi | solid green... | 12:35 |
| hachi | does that mean it's done charging? | 12:35 |
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| Jaffa | hachi: you can use Shift-a to get 'A' chorded already. If you turn off all the word prediction options in Control Panel > Input method you don't get the bar telling you your shift status (but you do still have a shift status) | 12:42 |
| Khertan | commanded in express delivery since friday i still not have it ... | 12:42 |
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| hachi | Jaffa: okay, but I wouldn't want a shift status if it's not visible to me :\ | 12:43 |
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| hachi | sticky keys get in the way if you don't know they're stuck | 12:43 |
| melmoth | de toute facon, mon episode preferré, c est dans la serie 4. | 12:43 |
| melmoth | oups | 12:43 |
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| Khertan | loupé melmoth :) | 12:45 |
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| Khertan | someone have problem with the maemo vmware image ? i can't have network connection ... | 12:54 |
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| fugitivo | Khertan: did you setup your default gateway? | 12:56 |
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| Khertan | fugitivo : in vmware ? | 12:59 |
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| fugitivo | sorry, I thought you were saying that you can't have internet connection inside maemo | 13:01 |
| fugitivo | I don't use the vmware image, you don't have network connection at all? | 13:01 |
| Khertan | in fact i use a vmware image on a vmware serv wich is on my localhost ... | 13:02 |
| Khertan | i can reach network with other image ... but don't know why this doesn't work with this one ... | 13:02 |
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| Jaffa | hachi: not possible AFAIK, raise an enhancement request in bugs.maemo.org? | 13:03 |
| Khertan | hum .... i ve found why ... | 13:05 |
| Khertan | thx fugitivo | 13:05 |
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| Khertan | it was an problem on network bind between the rt61 new kernel module .... installed yesterday by auto update and the vmware network kmodule | 13:06 |
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| Khertan | W: Couldn't stat source package list file: chinook/explicit Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/_home_maemo_maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries%5f4.0_dists_chinook_explicit_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) | 13:08 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 13:08 |
| rm_you | back :P | 13:10 |
| rm_you | so... any new people online that might have an idea what Gtk magic was used to shove a HildonControlbar widget into a GtkMenu ? | 13:11 |
| timeless | rm_you: so how long hav eyou done ckernel hacking? | 13:11 |
| rm_you | timeless: lol, i'm less of a kernel hacker and more of a general hacker | 13:11 |
| rm_you | I do some very minor kernel related work when it happens by | 13:11 |
| rm_you | but mostly i just do patches to random stuff :) | 13:11 |
| timeless | rm_you, http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/ident?i=HildonControlbar says # | 13:12 |
| timeless | * | 13:12 |
| timeless | # libhildon-1.99.0/examples/hildon-controlbar-example.c | 13:12 |
| timeless | libhildon-1.99.0/tests/check-hildon-controlbar.c | 13:12 |
| rm_you | I first started working on open source stuff like 4 years ago :) | 13:12 |
| rm_you | hrm | 13:12 |
| rm_you | what's the real url? | 13:13 |
| rm_you | i'm don't do my browsing on the tablet, so no DNS fix for me here :( | 13:14 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/os2008/ident?i=HildonControlbar should work | 13:14 |
| timeless | rm_you: the deb should work on any debian system | 13:14 |
| rm_you | i'm on windoze O_o | 13:14 |
| rm_you | for work | 13:14 |
| timeless | and you can of course read http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1/DEBIAN/postinst to see what it does | 13:14 |
| timeless | i'm using windows too | 13:14 |
| rm_you | yeah i figured what it did :) | 13:15 |
| timeless | C:\home\Desktop>grep "mxr.maemo.org" c:\WINNT\system32\drivers\etc\hosts | 13:15 |
| timeless | 66.33.212.254 mxr.maemo.org | 13:15 |
| * timeless sighs | 13:15 | |
| * timeless would normally use "find" but msys replaced windows find w/ gnu find | 13:16 | |
| rm_you | yerp | 13:16 |
| timeless | c:\winnt\system32\find "mxr.maemo.org" c:\WINNT\system32\drivers\etc\hosts | 13:16 |
| timeless | ---------- C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS\ETC\HOSTS | 13:16 |
| timeless | 66.33.212.254 mxr.maemo.org | 13:16 |
| timeless | obviously it might not be 'winnt', and as it happens it need not be c: | 13:16 |
| rm_you | yeah | 13:17 |
| rm_you | i got it | 13:17 |
| * timeless had a box for a while that had no c: at all :) | 13:17 | |
| rm_you | lol same | 13:17 |
| timeless | it was fun dealing w/ stupid apps taht demanded one | 13:17 |
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| rm_you | the app i work on for my job is one of those | 13:17 |
| rm_you | it's my job to make it not be | 13:18 |
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| rm_you | well, this week anyway | 13:18 |
| lardman | morning all | 13:18 |
| timeless | net share temp=%temp% && net use * \\hostname\temp | 13:18 |
| timeless | the cool part of course is that * would be c: :) | 13:18 |
| timeless | which is just so wierd... | 13:18 |
| rm_you | hrm... unfortunately, that example isn't doing what i need to do >_> | 13:19 |
| lardman | rm_you: did you get the toolchain setup ok? | 13:20 |
| rm_you | lardman: oh, yeah i think so... | 13:20 |
| lardman | sounds ominous :) | 13:20 |
| timeless | rm_you: you can try searching the garage tree instead of os2008 | 13:20 |
| rm_you | it was a bit confusing, as there were parts i think i needed to do inside SB and some not? | 13:20 |
| rm_you | it was odd a bit | 13:20 |
| timeless | there are a couple of trees floating around | 13:20 |
| lardman | rm_you: anything that needs to run on the ARM side needs to be done in scratchbox, but for the toolchain I don't think there's anything you need to compile in there | 13:21 |
| rm_you | lardman: odd. well, i never did get it set up | 13:21 |
| rm_you | err, i may have, but i never TESTED that it actually worked right | 13:21 |
| rm_you | i started reading up on a2dp | 13:21 |
| rm_you | and realized that at the moment, unless i spent like a month doing research, i'd be in WAAAAAY over my head | 13:22 |
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| lardman | :) | 13:22 |
| lardman | join the club, best way to get started! | 13:22 |
| rm_you | heh | 13:22 |
| rm_you | i'll probably start working my way through the spec and try to do some simple encode/decode tests, not in DSP, just to figure out what is going on | 13:23 |
| lardman | dspgw-3.3.1-arm\host_src\mod_utils might be compiled in scratchbox, but I compiled it for x86 as I do the dsp devel outside of scratchbox | 13:23 |
| rm_you | and then in like a month or two, if no one else has started on it, I may start then >_> | 13:23 |
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| lardman | rm_you: poke me when you do, I'd be interested in doing an a2dp task | 13:24 |
| rm_you | :) | 13:24 |
| lardman | I should get my Tremor dsp task source up on Garage tonight so you never know, people might take an interest and help me debug it :) | 13:24 |
| ki6amd | My n810 could use a2dp... | 13:24 |
| rm_you | lardman: well, at the moment, i'm being stumped by GTK >_> | 13:25 |
| rm_you | ki6amd: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 | 13:25 |
| rm_you | lardman: i would love to see that | 13:25 |
| lardman | rm_you: yeah I leave GUIs alone :) | 13:25 |
| ki6amd | Thanx | 13:25 |
| rm_you | i normally do too, but people were asking for a brightness slider app last night, and i thought it would be an easy intro project >_> | 13:26 |
| rm_you | i was fairly WRONG, apparently.... as what should be a TRIVIAL task is turning into a nightmare | 13:26 |
| rm_you | rather, what should have been a trivial PART of a trivial task | 13:26 |
| lardman | that's life | 13:27 |
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| rm_you | I have the entire app done... but it's a huge full-on window... I can't get this @*#$ing HildonControlbar to fit into a GtkMenu (which is what I assume is used in the shipped volume/brightness apps, cause I can't find anything else that looks similar) | 13:27 |
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| rm_you | or rather, I did finally, but it's not usable because if you try to click on it, it "clicks" on it like a menu item, and kills the menu >_> | 13:28 |
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| johnx | nothing is ever simple. just repeat it to yourself over and over again | 13:28 |
| rm_you | heh | 13:29 |
| ki6amd | rm_you: the n810 does have native a2dp, but it's well... Lacking. It has a lot to do with my wierd jabra 8010's | 13:29 |
| lardman | especially when you need to learn an entire toolkit to get going | 13:29 |
| lardman | ki6amd: native as in part of the original image? | 13:29 |
| rm_you | ki6amd: if you paired your bluetooth headphones and you think you are getting a2dp sound... you aren't :( that's mono HSP or HFP | 13:29 |
| johnx | lardman, oh it's native | 13:30 |
| johnx | you just turn it on and then use mplayer ... | 13:30 |
| rm_you | ki6amd: a2dp isn't enabled by default in any ITOS, AFAIK | 13:30 |
| johnx | ... and have horrible buffering problems | 13:30 |
| lardman | johnx: but you have to install a2dpd, etc. | 13:30 |
| johnx | not in 2008OS | 13:30 |
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| rm_you | have to install bluez and mplayer >_> | 13:30 |
| johnx | I should know | 13:30 |
| johnx | rm_you, bluez? | 13:31 |
| lardman | ah, fair enough, I've not tried with os2008 | 13:31 |
| rm_you | didn't we? | 13:31 |
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| johnx | rm_you, that would be no | 13:31 |
| johnx | it's just one # out of a config file then make a valid .asoundrc | 13:31 |
| ki6amd | os2008 is default on the n810.... As is a2dp | 13:32 |
| johnx | ki6amd, right. but it's not *enabled* by default | 13:32 |
| johnx | and the builtin media player can't use it at all | 13:33 |
| rm_you | ki6amd: yeah, unless you've actually done a bit of work to make a2dp be on, it isn't | 13:33 |
| ki6amd | Is editing a config file considered "work" | 13:33 |
| lardman | where does the a2dp conversion code live these days then? | 13:33 |
| rm_you | and creating a .asounrc file, and installing a new media player, and passing it a bunch of options :P | 13:34 |
| rm_you | lets just say it didn't just do it on it's own | 13:34 |
| lardman | bluetooth-alsa I assume | 13:35 |
| johnx | lardman, in bluez itself | 13:35 |
| johnx | or what site? | 13:35 |
| rm_you | but i take it by this point that you actually do know what you're talking about, so could you go ahead and clarify what problem you are having? | 13:35 |
| johnx | hang on, let me get a link | 13:35 |
| ki6amd | Apt-get install mplayer might be hard for some, but I've been using debian since hamm. Thanx | 13:35 |
| lardman | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=116589 ? | 13:35 |
| johnx | lardman, that's the old stuff | 13:36 |
| lardman | oh, ok | 13:36 |
| ptman | I'm unable to install skype on my n810 | 13:36 |
| johnx | lardman, this is the new stuff: http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices | 13:36 |
| ki6amd | Update the OS... | 13:37 |
| lardman | johnx: thanks, I'll grab the bluez-* source from the maemo repo and take a look... eventually | 13:38 |
| johnx | well, actually...we don't think that the bluez code is the problem | 13:38 |
| lardman | johnx: I'm not bothered about the problem though, I want to see how much effort might be needed for a dsp task | 13:39 |
| johnx | aaah | 13:39 |
| johnx | heh | 13:39 |
| lardman | probably more like eeeuuurrgghh! | 13:39 |
| lardman | :) | 13:39 |
| rm_you | lets see... is there a quick way to check whether the system is an n800 or an n810 at runtime? | 13:40 |
| lardman | feel for the keyboard...:) | 13:40 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:40 |
| lardman | /proc/ something | 13:41 |
| rm_you | yes, i'll have my PROGRAM feel for the keyboard :P lol | 13:41 |
| rm_you | hrm k | 13:41 |
| ki6amd | Yes, checkproc dist | 13:41 |
| lardman | machineinfo, something like that | 13:41 |
| ptman | rm_you: gps? | 13:41 |
| ptman | fm-chip | 13:41 |
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| johnx | just ask the user! "attempt to slide the device into 2 pieces. did this result in cracked plastic or a keyboard?" | 13:42 |
| lardman | /proc/component_version | 13:43 |
| lardman | hmm, really do need a tab key... | 13:44 |
| Cptn-N800 | Damn the n800 speakers arent half bad | 13:44 |
| rm_you | so what is the component version info for an n810? | 13:45 |
| rm_you | product = RX-34 for my n800 | 13:45 |
| lardman | RX-44 for the n810 | 13:46 |
| ki6amd | Rx44 | 13:46 |
| rm_you | k | 13:46 |
| rm_you | thanks guys :P | 13:46 |
| ki6amd | Np | 13:46 |
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| ki6amd | Dang, it's hard to type when you're shivering | 13:48 |
| Nermal | why are you shivering ? | 13:48 |
| ki6amd | Heaters are a good thing, unfortunately when they don't work... | 13:49 |
| Nermal | ah - that old chestnut | 13:49 |
| ki6amd | You're left turning on all those old AMD machines on... :) | 13:49 |
| lardman | Anyone know if there's a keyboard shortcut on the N810 for TAB? | 13:49 |
| ki6amd | Yes... Try looking above the word selection | 13:50 |
| lardman | no, a keyboard shortcut | 13:50 |
| johnx | maybe ctrl+i | 13:50 |
| ki6amd | I haven't tried. My N810 is only 2 days old | 13:51 |
| Nermal | any patch for locking desktop applets in place in os 2008 yet ? | 13:51 |
| ki6amd | That would be nice wouldn't it? | 13:51 |
| lardman | johnx: nope, looks like I'll have to tap the screen | 13:51 |
| johnx | wow, I'm not so sure about the n810's layout, the more I look at it | 13:52 |
| johnx | I was so jealous for a while with just my n800 here | 13:52 |
| ki6amd | I love mine so far | 13:52 |
| Nermal | I applied for the dev program but didn't get accepted | 13:52 |
| * lardman is also very happy | 13:52 | |
| ki6amd | GPS is a good thing, so is a keyboard. | 13:52 |
| Nermal | then had to look at all the gloating on the planet | 13:52 |
| Nermal | but still - the n800 is nice :) | 13:53 |
| rm_you | I have both for bluetooth | 13:53 |
| rm_you | and i think my keyboard is better... it has a TAB key ^_^ | 13:53 |
| ki6amd | Yes, a reversable camera would be great! | 13:53 |
| johnx | the Zaurus Cxx00 keyboard is what's best | 13:53 |
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| ki6amd | I can have the same keyboard you do to | 13:53 |
| lardman | johnx: agreed there, though the feel was a bit iffy | 13:54 |
| johnx | I have two ARM devices both with there own advantages and horrible shortcomings :/ | 13:54 |
| lardman | screen was too small though | 13:54 |
| johnx | I was willing to live with it | 13:54 |
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| lardman | I actually still want a larger screen - same size as Psion series 5 would be ideal | 13:54 |
| ki6amd | Anyone want my old cassiopia a-20? :) | 13:55 |
| johnx | ki6amd, will it run linux? | 13:55 |
| simfosho | is it possible to ssh to a n800 via the usb cable since I am having some trouble doing it the regular way | 13:55 |
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| Nermal | simfosho, only way I know would be to use ppp over usb | 13:55 |
| Nermal | to get a network going | 13:56 |
| Nermal | and then ssh over that | 13:56 |
| ki6amd | johnx: that's if it can... 2mb memory | 13:56 |
| lardman | simfosho: yes, you could setup a usbnet local network link | 13:56 |
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| simfosho | allright | 13:56 |
| lardman | simfosho: you need to insmod on both sides though, there's a page in the maemo wiki | 13:56 |
| johnx | ki6amd, that would be a no then both for linux and me :P | 13:56 |
| lardman | usb networking iirc | 13:56 |
| rm_you | what madness is this? the C math.ceil function returns a DOUBLE?! | 13:56 |
| nomis | rm_you: sure. Why not? | 13:57 |
| rm_you | the point of floor/ceil is to get integers >_> | 13:57 |
| simfosho | seems like there is plenty of documentation about it, ty | 13:57 |
| nomis | rm_you: seems the libc specification disagrees with you. | 13:58 |
| ki6amd | johnx: it also has a black and white screen, and the pixels are HUGE, no clue how many though, but I bet they're few to count | 13:58 |
| rm_you | when i do these things in Java that's what i get >_> though types are handled very differently, i suppose | 13:58 |
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| ki6amd | There are | 13:58 |
| johnx | ki6amd, black and white actually doesn't bother me that much, it's the no linux that's the killer | 13:58 |
| rm_you | then... can i just (int)ceil(5.4)? | 13:59 |
| rm_you | does that work in C? | 13:59 |
| nomis | rm_you: yes, although you might want to do (int) (ceil (5.4) + 0.5) | 13:59 |
| ki6amd | Busybox maybe... | 13:59 |
| rm_you | ah yes... fp precision | 13:59 |
| rm_you | thanks | 13:59 |
| nomis | rm_you: yep. | 13:59 |
| lardman | nomis: rounding to nearest int? | 14:00 |
| lardman | nomis: shouldn't that be floor() in that case? | 14:00 |
| lardman | ah, ignore me, floor if you do: floor(5.4 + 0.5) | 14:00 |
| nomis | lardman: rm_you wanted the effect of ceil(). | 14:00 |
| rm_you | yeah | 14:00 |
| rm_you | the more I code in C... the more I wish i wasn't >_> | 14:00 |
| ki6amd | Johnx: perens made this great project... Busybox | 14:01 |
| nomis | lardman: rounding to the nearest int is more easy: (int) (x + 0.5) | 14:01 |
| rm_you | I keep thinking i'll get used to it... | 14:01 |
| nomis | rm_you: wait until you start programming c++. Then you want to go back to C. :) | 14:01 |
| rm_you | nah | 14:01 |
| rm_you | i did C++ first | 14:01 |
| nomis | C++ is evil. | 14:01 |
| johnx | ki6amd, hmm? I like busybox. what about it? | 14:01 |
| rm_you | i have like 2 years C++ experience... but like... today and yesterday are my first time coding in straight C | 14:01 |
| ki6amd | Aghhh... Mathematical equasions. I think I'm feeling sick | 14:01 |
| rm_you | i never had to deal with a lot of the stuff it makes me think about <_< | 14:02 |
| ki6amd | johnx: it might work, with modification... | 14:02 |
| rm_you | though i haven't coded in C++ in like three years either | 14:02 |
| |tbb| | heya rm_you any chance to get your applet working on a non modified kernel? | 14:02 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: don't think so :( | 14:02 |
| johnx | on a casiopeia a20 with an SH3 processor, WinCE 2.0 and 8MB of RAM | 14:02 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: if the brightness bothers you that much, just flash. it's fairly painless | 14:03 |
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| rm_you | |tbb|: you just download a couple files and run one of them and reboot, bam new kernel | 14:03 |
| rm_you | takes about 2 minutes | 14:03 |
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| ki6amd | any chance we'll see a good podcatcher for os2008 in the near future? | 14:03 |
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| |tbb| | are you able to replace the brightness control applet from os2008 also | 14:04 |
| ki6amd | I'm dying to download TWiT on here, without resorting to syncing | 14:04 |
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| rm_you | |tbb|: well, that is the goal... you can disable the default one and enable this one | 14:09 |
| rm_you | when i am done, at least | 14:10 |
| ki6amd | I've tried a couple of multimedia apps, but either they have trouble with rss feeds, or they're just written by people slightly better than me. (I couldn't write hello world in java to save my life) | 14:10 |
| Feral_Kid | In 2007HE, what file to in need to automatically insmod ext2.ko? | 14:10 |
| rm_you | lol | 14:10 |
| Feral_Kid | I don't see an /etc/modules or the likes... | 14:10 |
| rm_you | I really like Java :/ | 14:11 |
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| |tbb| | will wait then | 14:11 |
| ki6amd | Me too, preferable warm, in a warm coffee shop. Otherwise I'd throw it into the sun... | 14:12 |
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| ki6amd | Or rather the "Sun" | 14:12 |
| ki6amd | Sparc station | 14:12 |
| ki6amd | you'd better be laughing at my bad jokes, I'm tired, cold, and cracking myself up | 14:14 |
| |tbb| | ive done chroot /mnt/initfs how can i restore it to default | 14:15 |
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| rm_you | |tbb|: erm | 14:16 |
| rm_you | try | 14:17 |
| rm_you | /usr/sbin/dsmetest -l 100 | 14:17 |
| Feral_Kid | Anyway to autoload ext2.ko under 2007HE? | 14:17 |
| lardman | load it from one of the init.d scripts? | 14:18 |
| |tbb| | rm_you i know that but how can i get chroot back where it was | 14:18 |
| rm_you | ROFL best spam ever: "Santa has prepared something special for you in the sack... UWhdazzi82" | 14:18 |
| rm_you | oh | 14:18 |
| rm_you | just type exit | 14:18 |
| Feral_Kid | lardman: Thanks | 14:19 |
| rm_you | wow... i seriosly think I am going to need to find a GTK Jedi Master | 14:21 |
| ki6amd | I guess I could make a bed in here to keep warm, and let you all get back to your business. Good chatting with you, and thank god you guys know more than I do, or this maemo thing would be up the creek! I just felt I had to check out the early morning maemo community, to see what I bought into. | 14:21 |
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| rm_you | ki6amd: well, we're glad to have more people who also seem to know what they're doing :) lol | 14:22 |
| rm_you | gotta keep the ratio up! | 14:22 |
| ki6amd | Lol... Hey at least i know what that xterm thing is right? | 14:23 |
| rm_you | :P | 14:23 |
| johnx | 'night ki6amd | 14:23 |
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| rm_you | wow... in the last 24 hours, there have been 5 lines of text in #gtk >_> | 14:24 |
| ki6amd | Night guys... Btw... Send stuff for me to burn, I'm fresh out of M$ manuals. | 14:25 |
| johnx | we can just flame you directly if you want. :D That should help. :P | 14:26 |
| ki6amd | And it's cold, although it's been colder, I'm just a scrawny geek | 14:26 |
| ki6amd | Oh please??? :P | 14:26 |
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| ki6amd | l8r | 14:27 |
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| florian | hi murrayc_ | 14:28 |
| murrayc_ | hi florian | 14:29 |
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| |tbb| | rm_you, is your nick registered? | 14:35 |
| rm_you | yes | 14:35 |
| rm_you | ack did i not login | 14:35 |
| rm_you | were you getting my messages? | 14:36 |
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| henrique | hi, I'm trying to run the maemo chat application and I'm always getting the error: We could not read lowmem page stats. | 14:36 |
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| henrique | does anybody knows what is the problem here? | 14:36 |
| Feral_Kid | Why is there no /lib/modules? I would think that if that existed, I could just move the ext2.ko module there and it would autoload... | 14:36 |
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| johnx | because that would be too easy. anyone could just go around and load whatever modules they wanted | 14:39 |
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| rm_you | ack, that reminds me, i forgot to unpack all of fanoush's modules when i installed his kernel >_> | 14:39 |
| johnx | I bet you want modprobe instead of insmod, too | 14:39 |
| Feral_Kid | Ok, what would be a good place to put my modprobe... | 14:39 |
| johnx | Feral_Kid, seriously though. I don't think anyone outside of Nokia can think of why they'd do things like that | 14:39 |
| johnx | those first 2 posts were both sarcastic | 14:40 |
| johnx | AFAIK we don't have modprobe either | 14:40 |
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| pupnik | Man, i'm going to go nuts with chinook in feb | 14:40 |
| * timeless grins | 14:41 | |
| * timeless finally defeats a really old quirk | 14:41 | |
| pupnik | nice | 14:41 |
| pupnik | what was it? | 14:41 |
| Feral_Kid | johnx, I experimented with loading 2007HE... So far so good... Was able to mount the mmc... Bootmenu working, but when I try to boot the mmc... It reboots to the menu... I am thinking that is because the ext2.ko is not loading... So I am trying to figure out how to automatically load the modules... | 14:42 |
| johnx | Feral_Kid, you'll probably need to do it in a script | 14:42 |
| johnx | and you'll need to handle modules it depends on manually | 14:42 |
| timeless | pupnik: oh, for mxr if you want to have a second name for an entry, e.g. "os2008" that's equivalent to "os2008-50", and you later want to change it to say "os2008-51", you have to fix both a conf file and a pointer on the file system | 14:43 |
| timeless | it's a maintenance headache | 14:43 |
| timeless | now instead of 2 lines in a conf file and two symlinks, it's 1 line+1 symlink and you only ever need to change the one line | 14:43 |
| timeless | well you=me, since i'm really the only one actively using the feature, but i do it at least weekly | 14:44 |
| Feral_Kid | johnx: Aren't you booting your 800 from MMC? | 14:44 |
| johnx | nope | 14:44 |
| pupnik | hmm | 14:44 |
| johnx | I *should be* but I'm going to wait until I have the time to do a fresh install so I can capture a pristine filesystem image for later use | 14:45 |
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| rm_you | johnx: oh? | 14:46 |
| Feral_Kid | Does anyone have a boot script to autoload modules? | 14:46 |
| rm_you | i'm still not sure i know why i'd want to | 14:46 |
| johnx | I want to take a swing at making a more debian-like system and doing it to a sd card seems a lot smarter | 14:47 |
| johnx | then I'd have a pristine image to use when I screwed it up as well | 14:47 |
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| maemo | Hi .... again | 14:55 |
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| maemo | hey ... someone can help me on setting network under scratchbox ... i ve a maemo vmware image ... i ve network setted and working on this vmimage but under scratchbox i can t join repository.maemo.org with apt ... | 14:58 |
| timeless | czr? | 14:58 |
| timeless | czr: other than garage being broken, what's up? | 14:58 |
| timeless | maemo: /etc/nsswitch.conf /etc/resolve.conf | 14:59 |
| timeless | or the scratchbox equivs | 14:59 |
| timeless | maemo: googling will find plenty of pages that document this stuff | 14:59 |
| timeless | although most of them have questionable advice, but hey :) | 14:59 |
| unique311 | pupnik, ping | 15:00 |
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| maemo | oups my nick | 15:01 |
| maemo | thx timeless | 15:01 |
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| melmoth | maemom according to http://linuxuk.blogspot.com/2008/01/installing-os2008-development.html , the trick is to change /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf so hosts only use dns | 15:02 |
| melmoth | (and not file, nor mdns or something) | 15:02 |
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| Khertan2 | thx i ll try | 15:02 |
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| mgedmin | well, files and fns | 15:02 |
| mgedmin | err files and *dns* | 15:02 |
| * timeless chuckles | 15:02 | |
| timeless | read links, we're terrible typists today :) | 15:03 |
| * mgedmin disagrees with melmoth's "not file" bit | 15:03 | |
| mgedmin | /etc/hosts is useful | 15:03 |
| Khertan2 | :) | 15:03 |
| Khertan2 | thx | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | no need to nuke it | 15:03 |
| timeless | mgedmin: it's the link that said not file | 15:03 |
| timeless | and that's why i said the web is full of questionable advice :) | 15:03 |
| melmoth | mgedmin: well, i dont know if it s true or not (i did n,ot change the file bit, only mdns back in maemo2007), but the link says to remove file too | 15:04 |
| melmoth | dont ask me why | 15:04 |
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| melmoth | funnyly enough, i still have strange resolution problem when using gnome-vfs to catch http url. | 15:05 |
| * mgedmin goes to comment on that post | 15:05 | |
| * timeless doesn't like gnomevfs | 15:06 | |
| timeless | it doesn't play well w/ gecko | 15:06 |
| czr | timeless, just got back. 20h of flying and loitering around airports and looking for places to smoke (when there were none) was not fun :-) | 15:06 |
| timeless | heh | 15:06 |
| timeless | you gotta kick the habit :) | 15:06 |
| czr | trying to stay awake until 10pm at least so that my clock doesn't go bonkers | 15:06 |
| melmoth | theoretically, the starvation will decrease if you chew a cigarette :) | 15:07 |
| czr | yeah, seems like I'm forced to! When I was going to the states, at least amsterdam still had one bar where I could smoke. When I came back, they rearranged everything and no smoking anywhere in the airport.. bleh. | 15:07 |
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| timeless | wow | 15:07 |
| czr | melmoth, right :-) | 15:07 |
| timeless | i was in AMS mid december and they still had a smoking lounge | 15:07 |
| timeless | amusingly enough, i seriously considered using it | 15:07 |
| czr | timeless, when I left, outside temp was 25 C. 8 C in detroit. 6 C in amsterdam. 3 C here. bleh. | 15:08 |
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| timeless | although, that would have been to light candles, not to smoke | 15:08 |
| czr | heh | 15:08 |
| * timeless frowns | 15:08 | |
| czr | I think they did the reshuffle start of '08 | 15:08 |
| czr | in preparation to the ban on smoking in public places that comes into effect in .nl in july or smt like that | 15:09 |
| czr | they also had a weird 3D security scanner in AMS | 15:09 |
| * timeless frowns | 15:09 | |
| czr | looked like a revolving door. but wasn't. | 15:09 |
| timeless | this code was 90% working, i tried to improve it, now it's 100% broken | 15:09 |
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| czr | timeless, you improved it too much :-) | 15:10 |
| timeless | interesting, that i don't remember | 15:10 |
| czr | I think it's new as well. | 15:10 |
| czr | they insisted I unpacked my carry-on to look at the cup that I was carrying with me | 15:10 |
| timeless | interesting | 15:10 |
| czr | "it has something inside it". yeah. two shot glasses!.. | 15:10 |
| * timeless remembers having to unpack a backpack in one place | 15:10 | |
| czr | unpacking and then packing again is bleh. | 15:10 |
| * timeless was carrying < 1/2 dozen tablets + chargers :) | 15:11 | |
| timeless | no laptop :) | 15:11 |
| mgedmin | I think it was in Amsterdam that the security guys asked me to pull out my 770 out of the backpack | 15:11 |
| mgedmin | and then they saw the "Nokia" logo on it and waved me along | 15:11 |
| czr | well, all my chargers were in the other bag, so that wasn't the issue. had a lot of electronics in the carry-on though | 15:11 |
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| timeless | i charge at airports :) | 15:11 |
| johnx | looks like the US thinks it's ok to check what's actually *on* the laptop when you're crossing the border now | 15:11 |
| timeless | packing chargers is just asking for your luggage to get lost | 15:11 |
| czr | johnx, really? | 15:11 |
| timeless | czr: really | 15:12 |
| timeless | that was big news a few days ago | 15:12 |
| czr | hmm. I need to setup a harmless linux partition on mine then | 15:12 |
| johnx | then the whole lithium batter thing | 15:12 |
| johnx | it's gonna really suck the next time I fly | 15:12 |
| seb_ | Hi folks. Anyone here have any experience with fuppes and a Nxxx? | 15:12 |
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| seb_ | I have a shiny new 810 | 15:12 |
| seb_ | And I'd like to play my oggs from my household Linux box. | 15:12 |
| * timeless has a rusty old n800 | 15:13 | |
| inz | I don't have anything | 15:13 |
| vegai | seb_: Nokia hates Vorbis | 15:13 |
| johnx | seb_, I haven't heard of fuppes but I've had good luck with gmediaserver (sp?) | 15:13 |
| * Khertan2 still waiting his express delivry since a week | 15:13 | |
| czr | hey inz | 15:13 |
| seb_ | I compiled and installed fuppes and that seems to run, but Media Streamer fails to see it. Is there a port I need to choose for the server? | 15:13 |
| timeless | khertan: nice express service there | 15:13 |
| unit42 | seb_: fuppes did well with my 770 and Canola (1) and Mediastreamer. | 15:13 |
| inz | sup czr | 15:13 |
| czr | inz, back in oh-dreary-land. | 15:14 |
| seb_ | johnx: Tried gmediaserver too, same problem. | 15:14 |
| Khertan2 | timeless: yes ... ups and nokia shop sucks | 15:14 |
| inz | czr, still on #maemo -- I'm surprised | 15:14 |
| johnx | on gmediaserver, I think I had to leave it in "visible" mode or something, let me check details | 15:14 |
| czr | inz, you aren't the only one :-) | 15:14 |
| czr | if the channel name would be > 10 chars, I wouldn't probably have joined :-) | 15:14 |
| seb_ | johnx: ok, I'll search the manpage too. | 15:14 |
| rm_you | ahhhh i've been staring at this GTK widget for like 2 hours | 15:15 |
| johnx | ah | 15:15 |
| johnx | expire time | 15:15 |
| rm_you | i think it's starting to stare BACK >_< | 15:15 |
| johnx | crank it up to an hour or so and see if it works | 15:15 |
| inz | czr, so you needed some timewaster and #maemo was short 'nuff? | 15:15 |
| seb_ | johnx: Ok | 15:15 |
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| seb_ | johnx: Will try now. | 15:15 |
| timeless | khertan2: ime ups lets you track shipments, do you have the tracking id? | 15:15 |
| czr | inz, yeah :-). trying to avoid unpacking and cleaning and all that crap. | 15:16 |
| rm_you | i'm gonna go to sleep before GTK starts writing me >_> | 15:16 |
| rm_you | night | 15:16 |
| * timeless frowns | 15:16 | |
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| K-Fox | hi | 15:16 |
| timeless | anyone know what the window software updater actually does? | 15:16 |
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| johnx | 'night rm_you | 15:16 |
| inz | czr, well, IRC is a good excuse... ;) | 15:16 |
| timeless | like, will it download a flash image for each of 770, n800, n810? | 15:16 |
| timeless | or does it remember the last flashed device and grab an update for that? | 15:17 |
| Khertan2 | timeless: no ... as nokia online french shop don t give it due to problem and they don t respond to phone. and i ven t the time to wait more than 30min to wait to phone | 15:17 |
| inz | czr, "Why are your suitcases still packed" - "I _had_ to be on IRC" | 15:17 |
| czr | inz, "I'd Rather Chill" | 15:17 |
| czr | true.. true.. although I have no one to ask that question, so there's a real risk of me never unpacking the bags | 15:17 |
| Khertan2 | timeless: but i ll wait ... as it s a device from the mameo discount program | 15:17 |
| K-Fox | is it possible to install wine app on n810? | 15:18 |
| inz | czr, hope you have some dirty laundry there that will start to smell... | 15:18 |
| timeless | k-fox: how many win32-arm apps do you know of? | 15:18 |
| timeless | most win32 apps i know of are win32-ia32 | 15:18 |
| Khertan2 | timeless: but i know that i hate ups ... | 15:18 |
| czr | inz, nope. washed everything up before leaving. but I have two packages of wasabi peanuts. I wonder how long they'd take to start .. living. | 15:18 |
| johnx | K-Fox, nope. | 15:18 |
| K-Fox | umm... | 15:19 |
| K-Fox | quake3 <--- this? | 15:19 |
| seb_ | I think I need to install Canola | 15:19 |
| Khertan2 | timeless: and i ll never get express delivry at nokia shop ... | 15:19 |
| timeless | k-fox: quake and friends can be had for linux | 15:19 |
| timeless | k-fox: but one does not typically want to try emulating ia32 anywhere | 15:19 |
| K-Fox | ia32> | 15:20 |
| K-Fox | ? | 15:20 |
| johnx | ia32 = x86 | 15:20 |
| K-Fox | thanks | 15:20 |
| johnx | K-Fox, the short answer is no one will ever get wine running on the N8x0 stuff which is ARM not x86 | 15:20 |
| johnx | wine translates API calls, not emulates a processor | 15:20 |
| johnx | fore more info hit up google | 15:20 |
| timeless | the less useful answer is that you could get wine for arm | 15:21 |
| timeless | but it'd let you run all of 5 programs | 15:21 |
| timeless | none of which are useful | 15:21 |
| timeless | because as johnx wrote it's not emulating the processor, just the api | 15:21 |
| timeless | in theory you could probably use wine-arm to run windows mobile /wince applications | 15:21 |
| johnx | timeless, useless? well...I guess that depends on how desparate you are to edit registry files on your N8x0 | 15:21 |
| johnx | does wine support any of the WinCE API? isn't that something separate from win32? | 15:22 |
| czr | inz, I forgot to take the coffee filter (with coffee) before leaving on the trip! | 15:22 |
| timeless | johnx: i'm not sure how much wine support there is for wince | 15:22 |
| czr | inz, does that qualify? :-) | 15:22 |
| timeless | there's definitely some discussion of it | 15:23 |
| inz | czr, if you put it into the suitcase, then maybe | 15:23 |
| timeless | hrm, not much discussion | 15:24 |
| czr | inz, I can bring it to you | 15:24 |
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| timeless | johnx: as long as a win library isn't doing hardware access, it's generally possible to just host it in wine | 15:25 |
| timeless | so it'd probably "just" be a matter of implementing the kernel and some halish bits :) | 15:25 |
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| K-Fox | is it possible to install ubunut,other linux appl(*.rpm) on n810 ? | 15:25 |
| seb_ | It has a nice screen the N810. I have an eeePc too, so I'm not getting too much work done today... | 15:25 |
| timeless | k-fox: it's risky, but you can try to install some debian related stuff | 15:25 |
| K-Fox | i am going to buy n810 | 15:25 |
| timeless | (incl ubuntu) | 15:25 |
| inz | czr, If you really want to bring it here, you're welcome to put it in the compost in front of the house ^^ | 15:26 |
| johnx | K-Fox, please realize that the N810 is not compatible with x86 software | 15:26 |
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| timeless | right, most ubuntu stuff you think of is ia32 | 15:26 |
| czr | inz, I'll stick it into the mailbox and then you can decide what to do with it :-) | 15:26 |
| K-Fox | some debian stuff wow | 15:26 |
| timeless | so it's no more helpful than win32-ia32 stuff | 15:26 |
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| LoCusF | wine would be cool on maemo :) | 15:27 |
| johnx | K-Fox, you can't just think of it as a normal Linux system where you can run anything. Most things that aren't already provided for it will need to be recompiled at least | 15:27 |
| timeless | locusf: yeah, i could finally run decent versions of winmine and sol | 15:27 |
| czr | timeless :-) | 15:27 |
| LoCusF | timeless: lol :) | 15:27 |
| johnx | and possibly hacked up to make them compile | 15:27 |
| * timeless is amazed at how poorly people manage to implement those two games | 15:27 | |
| K-Fox | n810 is not normal Linux system ? | 15:27 |
| inz | czr, if you're ready to take the ~450 km trip just for that, go ahead ;) | 15:27 |
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| LoCusF | maemodrac is kinda sucky | 15:27 |
| timeless | i mean, seriously, it shouldn't be hard to knock off winmine or sol properly | 15:27 |
| czr | inz, you'd be suprised what I do just for the heck of it. | 15:28 |
| timeless | but boy am i surprised each time i try a knock off | 15:28 |
| czr | inz, although I don't have a car at my disposal right now, so this project will have to wait a bit | 15:28 |
| * czr stores the coffee filter for later use | 15:28 | |
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| johnx | K-Fox, it is Linux. But Linux runs on many processors, and the processor in the N810 is not x86 compatible | 15:28 |
| inz | czr, what, I though the people living "inside" kehä-3 never came outside voluntarily | 15:29 |
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| czr | inz, who told you that I am a people anyway :-) | 15:29 |
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| inz | czr, ahh, sorry, my fault | 15:29 |
| K-Fox | johnx, ok | 15:29 |
| johnx | K-Fox, You should look around http://internettablettalk.com/forums a little to get an idea of what software is available, also: http://downloads.maemo.org | 15:30 |
| czr | inz, I do travel a bit once a while, while doing training stuff sometimes | 15:30 |
| czr | inz, probably would travel more if I'd have a car, but can't be bothered with it atm. | 15:30 |
| inz | czr, do you carry a huge cluebat with you? | 15:30 |
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| czr | inz, neh, I'm old school, I use laptop power cables | 15:30 |
| czr | I like the sound better.. | 15:30 |
| K-Fox | go go http://internettablettalk.com/forums | 15:31 |
| Tak | laptops are supposed to come with power cables? I thought they were disposable! | 15:31 |
| timeless | the laptops or the power cables/ | 15:31 |
| Tak | the laptops | 15:31 |
| Tak | use them until the battery's dead, then throw them away... | 15:31 |
| czr | the sound that the cables makes when they make contact with people who require attention. | 15:31 |
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| timeless | whap? | 15:32 |
| seb_ | I should be able to click on the "Click to Install" icon on downloads.maemo.org, right? Doesn't seem to be working right now :( | 15:32 |
| czr | timeless, yup. until you break a cable in, then it's more of a "flop" | 15:32 |
| Tak | like a hundred thousand people simultaneously saying, "whop" ? | 15:32 |
| seb_ | Oh, I tell a lie. | 15:32 |
| seb_ | Here we go.. | 15:32 |
| johnx | yay! lies! woo! | 15:32 |
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| Tak | hmm, the device program date has been extended - has that stopped all the whining? | 15:35 |
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| czr | Tak, I think most of the italians received their devices? | 15:36 |
| johnx | anyways, I should get to sleep | 15:36 |
| johnx | 'night all | 15:36 |
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| thopieka1 | good night?? it's 14:36 | 15:36 |
| thopieka1 | o.O? | 15:36 |
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| thopieka1 | oh yes I forget^^ | 15:37 |
| * czr puts "pants of multiple timezones" on thopieka1 | 15:38 | |
| czr | now you will never forget | 15:38 |
| Tak | haha, bam | 15:38 |
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| K-Fox | maemo linux is various than wince appl,iphone appl? | 15:42 |
| Veggen | eh..various? different, you mean? Of course it is. | 15:43 |
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| K-Fox | is it more abundant? | 15:44 |
| czr | more extravagant at least | 15:45 |
| Tak | not to mention ostentatious | 15:45 |
| czr | even paris hilton likes it | 15:45 |
| Tak | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=paris+hilton%27s+monkey | 15:46 |
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| melmoth | GRmblblbl | 15:57 |
| melmoth | why do they remove /usr/share/doc/osso-xterm ? | 15:57 |
| Jaffa | seb__: depends on the app in question, I guess. | 15:57 |
| melmoth | no source, no email of coders... | 15:57 |
| Jaffa | melmoth: space | 15:57 |
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| Jaffa | melmoth: you should be able to get a contact from apt-cache show osso-xterm. But the right way is to raise bugs, I suppose | 15:58 |
| melmoth | grumble... on os2007 the xterm (3rd party) had all the button i needed (ctrl-a,ctrl-n,ctrl-p) | 15:58 |
| tontsa | anyone else having constant problems with n810 and gprs/edge/3g dropping via bluetooth? and connection manager not noticing connection is dropped | 15:58 |
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| melmoth | hmm, same as dpkg -s...no info | 15:59 |
| melmoth | there are info about the upstream people though: | 15:59 |
| melmoth | Description: X Terminal Emulator for OSSO This package contains an X Terminal Emulator which is based on xterminal (http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=40) by Benedikt Meurer <benny@xfce.org> and Francois Le Clainche <fleclainche@wanadoo.fr> | 15:59 |
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| melmoth | but i wonder if those are xterminal people or osso-xterm one | 15:59 |
| michele_ | Oh nice... The telepathy irc thing seems to work decently | 15:59 |
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| Tak | apt-cache show osso-xterm ? | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | melmoth: you can define new shortcuts on the built-in X Terminal as you could with the 3rd party one | 16:01 |
| melmoth | Jaffa, and how to you put a ctrl in the new shortcut ? | 16:02 |
| tontsa | <ctrl>p | 16:03 |
| tontsa | for example | 16:03 |
| melmoth | you cannot even edit the existing ctrl one to see how the ctrl key is encoded. | 16:03 |
| melmoth | ohhh, lets check that | 16:03 |
| tontsa | works for alt alteast, haven't tried the ctrl | 16:03 |
| Jaffa | melmoth: it's using keysyms AIUI | 16:03 |
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| maddler | hey all! :D | 16:05 |
| Nermal | lo maddler :) | 16:05 |
| melmoth | great, it works ! | 16:05 |
| melmoth | i can use screen and irssi again ! | 16:06 |
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| Nermal | :) | 16:07 |
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| * maddler just got his n810! :D | 16:08 | |
| guardian | haha | 16:09 |
| Tak | congratulations | 16:09 |
| guardian | with or without the code ?:D | 16:09 |
| maddler | yep! :D | 16:09 |
| maddler | with... :D | 16:09 |
| maddler | but I think I was going to buy one even w/o :D | 16:10 |
| guardian | still i'll wait several weeks before reenabling the dev list deliveries :) | 16:10 |
| maddler | guardian: why? | 16:10 |
| Tak | hah | 16:10 |
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| guardian | because it's flooded with people whining about the contribution codes | 16:10 |
| maddler | hehehehe... true... :) | 16:11 |
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| L0cutus | fantastic kde on n800 :P | 16:12 |
| Nermal | aye - wonder when / if gnome will be ported | 16:13 |
| Tak | why, why?! | 16:14 |
| Nermal | I prefer gtk to qt | 16:14 |
| * Tak try to remove pain from head with icepick | 16:14 | |
| Nermal | last used kde when it was at 0.4 beta :) | 16:14 |
| Tak | yes, but why would you want a heavy desktop environment on an IT? | 16:14 |
| Nermal | to attract women, obviously | 16:15 |
| L0cutus | here kde work very well | 16:15 |
| L0cutus | no slow at all | 16:15 |
| L0cutus | (os2008) | 16:15 |
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| L0cutus | for now i'm not using swap file | 16:17 |
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| timeless | tak: heavy=gnome :) | 16:29 |
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| Tak | heavy.matches(/(gnome|kde)/i) | 16:34 |
| maddler | L0cutus: heya! :D | 16:34 |
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| L0cutus | ciao maddler :) | 16:42 |
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| L0cutus | now i need to know how 'simulate' the third mouse button click... | 16:43 |
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| ptman | garage.maemo.org is down? | 16:52 |
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| K-Fox | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ here is like down | 16:52 |
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| timeless | garage has been down for a couple of hours | 16:54 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: thought so | 17:00 |
| b0unc3 | garage is not down here ... but very very slow :( | 17:03 |
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| elb | the fact that my maemo device code was just extended to the end of July is not heartening ;-) | 17:20 |
| timeless | why not? | 17:20 |
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| elb | timeless: because it indicates they think it might *take* that long | 17:23 |
| lardman | perhaps it's just to reassure people | 17:24 |
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| Tak | a couple of people were publicly panicking: "THEY MIGHT NOT BE IN STOCK UNTIL FEBRUARY 19 AND THE CODES EXPIRE MARCH 1!!!!!!" | 17:25 |
| doc|home | they could pre-order | 17:25 |
| Tak | the consensus seems to be that the codes will not be accepted until the devices are in stock | 17:26 |
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| zaheerm | hi does anyone know of a repository with twisted packages on it? | 17:27 |
| deejoe | what are these codes for? | 17:27 |
| zaheerm | for chinook | 17:27 |
| timeless | twisted? | 17:27 |
| lardman | deejoe: discount codes | 17:27 |
| deejoe | ah. | 17:27 |
| deejoe | timeless: twisted is a python web framework | 17:27 |
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| zaheerm | yah | 17:30 |
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| Jaffa | deejoe: best bet is to check http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ | 17:32 |
| matmo | Will various SDK's coexist in the same sb environment? | 17:32 |
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| matmo | hmm, seems they will but no mention how to in the install text. | 17:36 |
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| kulve | sb-menu | 17:40 |
| kulve | you can run only one at the time though | 17:40 |
| timeless | if you give each sdk its own scratchbox env using sb-menu, they'll coexist | 17:40 |
| timeless | although you can only use one at a time iirc | 17:40 |
| timeless | (one per user?) | 17:40 |
| kulve | one per user per installation | 17:41 |
| kulve | i.e. you can have two scratchboxes running at the same time (I think) | 17:41 |
| timeless | basically if you own the box (and you have to), just create a bunch of users, one per sdk | 17:41 |
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| timeless | stick them into a common group and you can just ssh sdk-name (w/ enough magic in ~/.ssh/config) | 17:42 |
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| matmo | ooo me head hurts :) | 17:42 |
| timeless | ~if you believe in magic, and i hope you do~ | 17:42 |
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| matmo | Thanks for the tips. I don't want anything sophisticated as I will be doing bora/chinook not both. ATM I am trying to figure out if I can use the install scripts without messing up the existing 2.2 targets. | 17:45 |
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| fhsieh | Hi, just wondering if people are having trouble accessing garage? | 17:45 |
| kulve | fhsieh: they say it's very slow | 17:46 |
| fhsieh | alright, then at least it's not just me ;) | 17:46 |
| timeless | what part of garage do you guys need? | 17:46 |
| timeless | if you need a project page, timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/{projectname}/www/ probably has it | 17:47 |
| truent | i need compiz fusion on the n800 | 17:47 |
| truent | ;) | 17:47 |
| * timeless needs a billion dollars (tax free) | 17:47 | |
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| truent | well that wouldnt be bad | 17:48 |
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| fhsieh | i was just testing the new maemocjk release on my n800--got it installed fine, but then can't seem to get the matchbox-keyboard app (figure it's because garage keeps timing out) | 17:49 |
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| Khertan2 | is it me or garage.maemo.org is down | 17:54 |
| Khertan2 | ? | 17:54 |
| ptman | it's down | 17:54 |
| Khertan2 | thx | 17:55 |
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| Crashn810 | hey | 18:19 |
| Tak | it's down. | 18:20 |
| Tak | I mean, hey! | 18:20 |
| Crashn810 | ;) | 18:21 |
| Tak | wow - the new training materials look great | 18:22 |
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| Crashn810 | this is awesome! | 18:22 |
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| disq | training my ass they should fix garage so that it never goes down again | 18:22 |
| Tak | it would be remarkable if they could train your ass to do that | 18:23 |
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| disq | :) | 18:23 |
| guardian | kde on n810 | 18:24 |
| guardian | what's the point ? | 18:24 |
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| truent | they did it themselves? | 18:24 |
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| Andy80 | where can I find the sources of the SIP client included in Os2008? | 18:35 |
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| Andy80 | hi _berto_ :) | 18:35 |
| _berto_ | hi! | 18:35 |
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| vegai | hmm, skype isn't installable on n810 fresh out of the box | 18:39 |
| vegai | is that a known thing? | 18:39 |
| Robot101 | Andy80: telepathy.freedesktop.org | 18:40 |
| Robot101 | Andy80: it's a UI for telepathy-sofiasip and telepathy-stream-engine | 18:40 |
| Robot101 | (we're in #telepathy) | 18:40 |
| Andy80 | vegai: yes, you have to update to the latest firmware | 18:41 |
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| Andy80 | Robot101: the UI sources are available too? | 18:42 |
| Robot101 | no | 18:42 |
| Cord | welcome wusel_ | 18:43 |
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| Robot101 | but you can replace it with a different UI... :) | 18:43 |
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| wusel_ | Cord: thanks. | 18:43 |
| Robot101 | in GNOME we're working on Empathy, based off Gossip's UI | 18:43 |
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| Andy80 | Robot101: I hope it can be a valid ekiga substitute :) | 18:47 |
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| Robot101 | well, we're trying to make it possible to do lots of things :) | 18:48 |
| Robot101 | add IM and collaborative functionality to any app in the desktop | 18:49 |
| Robot101 | kinda like the N810 "IM client" is split to Contacts, Chat, Call, Accounts, Presence... | 18:49 |
| Robot101 | but actually able to do stuff that other IM clients can't do | 18:49 |
| Andy80 | the SIP client of 810 is very very good :) | 18:54 |
| Andy80 | multi account... very integrated with the Oa | 18:55 |
| Andy80 | Os | 18:55 |
| henrique | Robot101, this "Contacts" part is the one which use EDS? | 18:55 |
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| Robot101 | henrique: yeah | 18:56 |
| Robot101 | Andy80: thanks... we try our best. and then the marketing department add Gizmo and Skype on top and go "LOOK! VOIP!" :( | 18:56 |
| Robot101 | Andy80: do you know about the extra backends you can get? | 18:56 |
| Andy80 | no.. | 18:57 |
| Andy80 | which are? | 18:57 |
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| Robot101 | http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 18:58 |
| henrique | Robot101, interesting, I've started studying telepathy now and the issue is how to get all IM contacts (for all accounts)... do you know if this is available by some API? | 18:58 |
| Robot101 | IRC, MSN, AIM, Yahoo, ICQ | 18:58 |
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| Robot101 | henrique: which specifically do you want - all of the contacts on each of your IM accounts, or all of the people in the address book, which can represent >1 IM address? | 18:59 |
| Andy80 | Robot101: Skype client is ugly :( very very slow and it doesn't support video calls. While video-calls with Internet Call client of n810 are great :) | 18:59 |
| henrique | Robot101, well, already have the contacts list through abook API, so now I need a way to get all IM contacts through telepathy | 19:00 |
| Robot101 | henrique: all of the IM contacts are created in the address book | 19:01 |
| henrique | Robot101, of course, if I could get all contacts in address book *and* all people in each IM account would be great | 19:01 |
| Robot101 | that's what you get from eds at the moment | 19:02 |
| Cord | . o O ( storage overflow error ) | 19:02 |
| Robot101 | eds-sync makes sure every telepathy contact you're subscribed to exists in the address book | 19:02 |
| henrique | which program is this? eds-sync? | 19:03 |
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| Robot101 | it's a background process | 19:04 |
| Robot101 | mission control launches it when the telepathy backends go online and have contact list channels | 19:04 |
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| henrique | Robot101, that's great, so getting all contacts through osso-addressbook API will give me all IM contacts too? | 19:06 |
| Robot101 | yeah | 19:06 |
| henrique | Robot101, right, thank you very much! :) | 19:07 |
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| michele_ | garage still down? | 19:09 |
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| bedboi | damn, the gps receiver seems not to be that reliable... it's very difficult for it to get a fix | 19:11 |
| michele_ | basically, you don't have to have anything over your head | 19:13 |
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| Spakman_ | has anyone got a copy of the ruby-maemo debs? | 19:32 |
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| Spakman_ | or even just the ruby deb? | 19:32 |
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| Tak | yes. | 19:33 |
| Spakman_ | Tak: is there a server I can get them from while maemo.rubyx.co.uk is down? | 19:33 |
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| Tak | not afaik, but I could email them to you or something | 19:35 |
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| Spakman_ | that'd be great! | 19:36 |
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| Spakman_ | maemogarage@scottishclimbs.com, please | 19:36 |
| Spakman_ | Tak: do you have rubygems also? | 19:37 |
| Tak | you want chinook or bora? | 19:37 |
| Tak | yes | 19:37 |
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| Tak | it's a PITA on the device, however | 19:37 |
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| khertan | Hi ! | 19:37 |
| Spakman_ | chinook, please :) | 19:37 |
| Spakman_ | Tak: why's it a PITA? | 19:38 |
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| khertan | Is there some french which receive their discounted n810 device here ? | 19:38 |
| melmoth | khertan: the code was still not recognise this morning | 19:38 |
| melmoth | khertan: was your recognised ? | 19:38 |
| khertan | melmoth: hum i ve commanded mine last friday on the french store | 19:39 |
| melmoth | actually, the page had an internal server error today. | 19:39 |
| khertan | like two other people | 19:39 |
| melmoth | And your code worked ? crap. | 19:39 |
| melmoth | mine did not | 19:39 |
| khertan | yes | 19:39 |
| khertan | the new one you received in the mail ? | 19:39 |
| melmoth | yop | 19:39 |
| khertan | but i ve still not received it ... and it seems command has been canceled ... | 19:40 |
| Tak | ("it" being rubygems) | 19:40 |
| khertan | no email ... no contacts ... it s why i ask if someone have informations ? | 19:40 |
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| khertan | i ve see that i ve not be debited on my credit card ... | 19:41 |
| khertan | and 1 week for an express delivery .... a bit too ... | 19:41 |
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| hrw | hi | 19:45 |
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| hrw | can someone tell how fast modem does maemo.org use to connect to internet? fetching from there is nightmare ;( | 19:46 |
| inz | I heard a rumor it was a 14400 | 19:47 |
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| Juhaz | eh, don't believe everything you hear. | 19:47 |
| Juhaz | it's obviously 2400bps | 19:47 |
| hrw | heh.. I thought that it is at least 33600 | 19:48 |
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| |tbb| | inz, thats just a rumour, it only takes that long cause they have to change the floppy disks permanently (1,44MB) | 19:49 |
| Tak | Spakman_: sending | 19:49 |
| inz | Oh, I thought they used 720 kB 5,25" floppies | 19:50 |
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| hrw | inz: not 1MB 8" ones? | 19:50 |
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| michele_ | no, it's just because it uses RFC 2549 | 19:50 |
| michele_ | I have proof | 19:50 |
| |tbb| | who knows | 19:50 |
| |tbb| | inz is it possible to add transparency to o-xterm | 19:51 |
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| Crashn810 | say, i'm trying to get maemo mapper to work, what device should I try to use ? | 19:55 |
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| inz | |tbb|, might be, but it would take up some extra memory, I guess | 19:55 |
| |tbb| | also if its optional | 19:56 |
| inz | |tbb|, when most likely not | 19:56 |
| scruggs | Crashn810: bluetooth and leave the entry blank | 19:56 |
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| |tbb| | then add it to your endless wishlist ;) | 19:57 |
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| Spakman_ | Tak: got the files, thank you very much! | 19:58 |
| inz | |tbb|, vte has vte_terminal_background_transparent, which would do "pseudo transparency" | 19:58 |
| Tak | np | 19:58 |
| |tbb| | vte? | 19:59 |
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| inz | |tbb|, the terminal emulation library osso-xterm uses | 20:01 |
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| |tbb| | so what next? | 20:02 |
| scruggs | anyone using openembedded instead of scratchbox for maemo4? | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | vte also supports true transparency, iirc | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | when you're running a composition manager | 20:05 |
| mgedmin | (which it detects from some X root window property... or was that a named selection?) | 20:05 |
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| Crashn810 | scruggs: cheers, thanks | 20:08 |
| Spakman_ | anyone know how I can get the ruby header files in my scrathbox environment? I'm still struggling to head round scratchbox... | 20:08 |
| melmoth | i do not have any thing in apt-cache search ruby | 20:12 |
| melmoth | but they should be in the -dev package | 20:12 |
| Tak | ah...I didn't send the -dev package - would you like it? | 20:13 |
| henrique | are there anyone who knows how to use the telepathy's chat on maemo chinook? | 20:13 |
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| henrique | I'm trying to run it, but it just doesn't open and all I get in the terminal is the warning "We could not read lowmem page stats" | 20:14 |
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| melmoth | machine pas a jour , qu on peut pas mettre a jour par ce que c est une fc2 ? | 20:16 |
| melmoth | ousp | 20:16 |
| Spakman_ | Tak: yes, please! :) | 20:16 |
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| mbuf | maemo platform has a separate version qemu that they use? or any specific patches with qemu that is used? | 20:22 |
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| CrashandDie | what would be the best way to get files on my n810 ? | 20:32 |
| Tak | ...from where? | 20:32 |
| CrashandDie | another computer, using wifi | 20:32 |
| Tak | http? ftp? scp? | 20:33 |
| CrashandDie | scp ? But if I have a whole lot of files ? Is there a samba client ? | 20:33 |
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| Tak | somebody ported gtfp, which supports scp | 20:33 |
| bedboi | what's the best way to poll the value exposed in a sysfs file? | 20:33 |
| bedboi | just using standard file functions? | 20:34 |
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| melmoth | scp -r or rsync | 20:34 |
| Tak | there's a glib function to add a callback for a file change iirc | 20:34 |
| bedboi | it's a long time i don't do this stuff, i would like to be up to dated to the state of the arte | 20:34 |
| bedboi | Tak: i guess it doesn't work for proc and sysfs | 20:34 |
| bedboi | at least it didn't work the last time i used inotify and stuff like that | 20:35 |
| Tak | it definitely works for sysfs; it's being used in kagu | 20:35 |
| bedboi | serious? | 20:35 |
| Tak | dunno about proc | 20:35 |
| bedboi | that's cool | 20:35 |
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| bedboi | Tak: i guess you are referring to GIOChannels | 20:37 |
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| Tak | gobject.io_add_watch() in python - browsing for C equivalent | 20:38 |
| bedboi | g_io_add_watch | 20:38 |
| bedboi | yep | 20:38 |
| bedboi | i used that a lot of times for networking sutff | 20:39 |
| bedboi | stuff | 20:39 |
| Tak | I guess http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/unstable/glib-IO-Channels.html#g-io-add-watch | 20:39 |
| Tak | yeah | 20:39 |
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| Spakman_ | Tak: thanks a lot for the dev file too - really appreciate it. | 20:41 |
| Tak | np again | 20:42 |
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| Gnuton | Hi! | 20:49 |
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| penguinbait | is it next week yet, any word on USA or Canada? | 20:55 |
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| __k-s__ | penguinbait: hey dude | 20:59 |
| __k-s__ | penguinbait: congrats | 20:59 |
| __k-s__ | I'm a big fan of your efforts | 20:59 |
| __k-s__ | keep them coming | 20:59 |
| L0cutus | penguinbait for president ! :) | 21:01 |
| __k-s__ | :-D | 21:01 |
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| penguinbait | thank | 21:03 |
| penguinbait | s | 21:03 |
| penguinbait | did you get all your questions answered? | 21:03 |
| penguinbait | I concede to Hillary :) | 21:04 |
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| |tbb| | rm_you r u around | 21:12 |
| kala | >20 000 context switches and > 10 000 interrupts per 5 second on N770 is normal? | 21:12 |
| kala | the tablet freezes sometimes and now I got vmstat to actually see, whats going on | 21:13 |
| kala | 100% processor is just waiting | 21:13 |
| penguinbait | I want an nmon port, but alas Nigel wont cough up the source code | 21:13 |
| fysa | you try using the 'generic; firefox port in KDE, penguinbait? | 21:15 |
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| fysa | (minefield?) | 21:19 |
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| edistar | anyone tried to use the new apple bt keyboard with maemo? | 21:20 |
| fysa | I use it -- works great | 21:20 |
| fysa | and easily packable. | 21:20 |
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| fysa | http://www.sfbags.com/products/keyboardcases/keyboard.htm | 21:20 |
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| fysa | they make a case for the keyboard that may fit the tablet also | 21:21 |
| edistar | fysa: ok, thx | 21:21 |
| fysa | http://www.sfbags.com/products/keyboardcases/images/KB-Travel-Fit1-md.jpg | 21:21 |
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| skibur | penguinbait, Do you have to still dual boot in order to install KDE? | 21:41 |
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| skibur | nevermind, That was a dumb question | 21:42 |
| skibur | :P | 21:42 |
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| penguinbait | hey skibur | 21:52 |
| |R | did anybody kill the wabbit yet? | 21:52 |
| penguinbait | skibur NO | 21:52 |
| penguinbait | no dead wabbits here | 21:52 |
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| |R | hehe | 21:57 |
| Tak | besides, it's duck season. | 21:58 |
| skibur | ? | 21:59 |
| CrashandDie | anyone know how I can import certificates into the certificate manager ? | 21:59 |
| CrashandDie | I created the certificates with the notes app, which is probably messing with the whole thing | 21:59 |
| CrashandDie | what app should I use , | 21:59 |
| CrashandDie | ? | 21:59 |
| penguinbait | skibur no dual boot is not necesart to instal KDE | 21:59 |
| skibur | All I need to have is a 2GB+ card, FAT32 | 22:00 |
| penguinbait | yup | 22:00 |
| penguinbait | empty 2GB card | 22:00 |
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| skibur | no partitions what so ever | 22:00 |
| penguinbait | copy all files to mmc card and install | 22:00 |
| skibur | nice | 22:00 |
| skibur | no more initfs | 22:01 |
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| penguinbait | it will automagically create a file called local.img on mmc which is a partition, but you dont need to do anythign | 22:01 |
| penguinbait | no initfs | 22:01 |
| skibur | great | 22:01 |
| skibur | I will try it now | 22:01 |
| skibur | starting to download | 22:01 |
| penguinbait | verify all the file sizes after download, my hosting was messing up and everyone was getting short reads, but I think its working now | 22:02 |
| skibur | I have the modified initfs installed, can I erase it? | 22:02 |
| skibur | ok, will do | 22:02 |
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| penguinbait | not sure how to remove initfs, never tried, you could reflash old initfs I guess | 22:03 |
| skibur | o ok | 22:03 |
| skibur | I think I will just leave it there, I might use it in the future | 22:05 |
| skibur | "P | 22:05 |
| skibur | :P | 22:05 |
| penguinbait | shouldnt cause a problem | 22:10 |
| skibur | booting linux | 22:11 |
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| CrashandDie | hey i'd need a bit of help | 22:12 |
| CrashandDie | How do I import certificates in the n810 ? What format should I save it in ? | 22:13 |
| * Tak has no idea how the ITs handle certificates, as I haven't been able to get it to use one successfully yet | 22:13 | |
| deejoe | isn't it just openssl? | 22:13 |
| deejoe | not that I've checked, that would just be my expectation | 22:14 |
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| skibur | hello | 22:21 |
| penguinbait | hi | 22:21 |
| skibur | I'm back with the Power of Slackware 12 | 22:21 |
| skibur | ok KDE has not been updated, so I'm just going to use the one I downloaded a week ago | 22:22 |
| skibur | it should cause any problems | 22:22 |
| penguinbait | ok | 22:24 |
| penguinbait | its the same tarball | 22:24 |
| skibur | ok | 22:26 |
| jott | what is the maximum size of a vcf vcard file when importing contacts? | 22:27 |
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| skibur | You know about the Font problem. I have that problem currently. I hope that font issue will go away. :) | 22:27 |
| SpComb | "In a rare situation, if the installer can not work properly on your system you may have to do a manual installation" <-- is 64-bit linux really that rare? | 22:27 |
| penguinbait | I am not positive there is a font problem, i wish I could determine what it was so I could fix it | 22:28 |
| SpComb | I've tried following the vauge advice on http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/31965 (ended up doing `sudo setarch i386 ./maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh -s /scratchbox`, which didn't error out), but now when I try and do e.g. `/scratchbox/login`, I get this error: "ln: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" | 22:30 |
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| SpComb | hmm, seems that that file exists, but it's a symlink that points at libGL.so.1.2, which doesn't exist (libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa does, though)... weird, it's not an issue from inside scratchbox, but it doesn't cause any errors outside of it, either | 22:32 |
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| thopieka1 | hi there | 22:35 |
| Jon | good evening | 22:35 |
| thopieka1 | I've got a little problem with my new bleutooth headset (Nokia BH-501) | 22:36 |
| penguinbait | good evening | 22:36 |
| thopieka1 | my n800 finds the 2 services but it connects to the worse on | 22:36 |
| thopieka1 | now my headset is connected with my pc and I choosed AV-Sevice and the sound quali is fine | 22:38 |
| thopieka1 | what can I do to switch to the other "headset"-service?? | 22:38 |
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| thopieka1 | have you an idea too fix it?? | 22:40 |
| skibur | penguinbait, if I use the nokia to format my card, will it be ok? | 22:41 |
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| thopieka1 | skibur: do you think it will be brocken after this | 22:42 |
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| thopieka1 | ??? | 22:43 |
| skibur | not sure | 22:43 |
| thopieka1 | do it with your pc then | 22:43 |
| thopieka1 | ... | 22:43 |
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| thopieka1 | what'S the metter | 22:43 |
| thopieka1 | ?? | 22:43 |
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| skibur | I'm installing now | 22:54 |
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| thopieka1 | on your N800 or where?? | 22:56 |
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| skibur | n800 | 22:58 |
| skibur | I'm installing KDE on my N800 | 22:58 |
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| Spakman_ | Tak: are you able to send me the ruby-sqlite deb too? | 23:09 |
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| skibur | penguinbait, I was wondering, Can you use the same method as you did with KDE to install any application once the N800 has reached the 256 Flash limit? | 23:10 |
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| Tak | Spakman_: it doesn't look like I have that one | 23:12 |
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| thp | which icon sizes do i need to provide (and where to install them) to get nice integration in the os2008 menu? | 23:16 |
| SpComb | actually, someone just pointed out to me that I had LD_PRELOAD set to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa for whatever reason, and that was what was causing the error | 23:17 |
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| penguinbait | skibur still here | 23:19 |
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| skibur | yes | 23:19 |
| penguinbait | you are still limited by your flash size for installs | 23:19 |
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| penguinbait | does that answer your question? | 23:20 |
| skibur | no really | 23:20 |
| skibur | not really | 23:20 |
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| penguinbait | maybe I am not understanding the question? | 23:20 |
| skibur | KDE is being installed on my 4GB card | 23:20 |
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| skibur | mmc2 | 23:20 |
| penguinbait | right | 23:21 |
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| penguinbait | it will also use about 20MB on flash | 23:21 |
| skibur | I see | 23:21 |
| skibur | the 20MB on flash is accessing KDE on my 4GB? | 23:22 |
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| penguinbait | sort of, the 20MB is really CUPS, it installs to /usr/share/doc | 23:22 |
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| penguinbait | mostly, and some supporting files to start KDE | 23:22 |
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| skibur | Once KDE has started, its reading off the 4GB | 23:23 |
| penguinbait | well its reading KDE off the 4GB, and OS is still on flash | 23:24 |
| skibur | understand | 23:24 |
| penguinbait | yup | 23:24 |
| skibur | no that being understand, Lets say you have 5MB left on Flash and I want to install an app called FOO that is 10MB, Can I use the method you did on KDE to install it? | 23:25 |
| skibur | no/now | 23:25 |
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| skibur | 20MB on flash accessing KDE 500MB+ | 23:26 |
| skibur | 5MB on flash accessing FOO 10MB+ | 23:26 |
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| penguinbait | KDE is installed into /usr/local, my deb creats a 1.3GB file local.img and formats it as ext2 and mounts it on /usr/local | 23:27 |
| penguinbait | it also creats a 128MB swap.img and automatically sets up swap device | 23:28 |
| skibur | done installing KDE | 23:28 |
| skibur | booting up.... | 23:28 |
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| penguinbait | well, its up? | 23:29 |
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| skibur | looking good | 23:29 |
| skibur | :( BLue Screen | 23:29 |
| skibur | :P | 23:29 |
| skibur | its the splash screen | 23:30 |
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| penguinbait | hehe, I was like what! | 23:30 |
| skibur | lol | 23:30 |
| skibur | nice work | 23:30 |
| skibur | now for the test | 23:30 |
| skibur | going back on maemo | 23:30 |
| skibur | testing the microB fonts | 23:30 |
| penguinbait | just logout :) | 23:30 |
| skibur | FYI it took me 25 mins to complete | 23:31 |
| |tbb| | what does it mean just log out | 23:31 |
| skibur | ok I see local.img usage | 23:32 |
| penguinbait | logout of KDE, maemo will start back up | 23:32 |
| |tbb| | nice | 23:32 |
| penguinbait | nice | 23:32 |
| penguinbait | jinx you owe me a coke | 23:32 |
| skibur | touch black never come back | 23:32 |
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| skibur | testing fonts.... | 23:33 |
| skibur | MicroB | 23:33 |
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| skibur | nice, no more werid fonts!!! | 23:34 |
| skibur | now for the ultimate test | 23:34 |
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| skibur | restarting N800.... | 23:34 |
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| skibur | retesting MicroB fonts... | 23:36 |
| skibur | :( | 23:36 |
| skibur | Font issue still reminds | 23:37 |
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| skibur | I think KDE is overwriting Maemo fonts | 23:39 |
| skibur | "links between files" Might be the factor | 23:40 |
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| penguinbait | hmmm, I must be font blind | 23:41 |
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| penguinbait | I need two screenshots showing me the difference> | 23:42 |
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| skibur | I picky when it comes to detail | 23:42 |
| skibur | o ok | 23:42 |
| skibur | I will get my dad N800 | 23:42 |
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| skibur | to compare the differene | 23:42 |
| skibur | difference | 23:42 |
| skibur | o wait | 23:42 |
| skibur | where should I post it? | 23:43 |
| skibur | which thread? | 23:43 |
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| penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14680&highlight=KDE | 23:43 |
| penguinbait | there :) | 23:43 |
| skibur | ok give me 10 minutes | 23:44 |
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| elb | man, it's amazing the attitude of entitlement on itt re: the device program | 23:45 |
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| jsmith | No kidding... | 23:45 |
| elb | I can't believe that people can act like they're being *wronged* because the free $300 they're being given isn't coming at precisely the moment they wished for | 23:46 |
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| jsmith | elb: It surprised me too... of course, maybe it's because I paid full-price for mine. | 23:46 |
| jsmith | elb: But it makes me want to say "If you want it *that* bad, then pay full price!" | 23:47 |
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| penguinbait | I WANT MY FREAKING DEVICE | 23:47 |
| penguinbait | BAH | 23:47 |
| |tbb| | jsmith: welcome to the club | 23:47 |
| derf | Well, I think if people had known that two months later they still wouldn't be able to order one, they might have paid full price. | 23:47 |
| jsmith | Personally, I'd be happy with AisleRiot... but I'm willing to wait and be patient ;-) | 23:47 |
| derf | But it's the constant stringing along that bugs 'em. | 23:48 |
| penguinbait | I probably would have spent 500$ less on Christmas | 23:48 |
| penguinbait | yes | 23:48 |
| penguinbait | stinging | 23:48 |
| rm_you | lol | 23:48 |
| penguinbait | stringing | 23:48 |
| CrashandDie | hey, how do I remove things from the "My Selection" menu ? | 23:48 |
| CrashandDie | like Rhapsody, I'm never going to use that | 23:49 |
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| penguinbait | me either what a joke | 23:49 |
| derf | I personally resigned not to have mine before I left for LCA back in December. | 23:49 |
| SpComb | http://misc.marttila.de/wiki/Maemo4_64bit_ubuntu_7.10 <-- managed to get maemo running on 64-bit ubuntu, simple in theory, painful due to weird things done by package maintainers | 23:49 |
| derf | And Nokia has not disappointed. | 23:49 |
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| |tbb| | rm_you will the latest mplayer include your patch for a2dp | 23:49 |
| rm_you | |tbb|: don't know | 23:50 |
| elb | derf: I understand that people might have made different plans ... but there are people saying things like: "I wouldn't be surprised if many North American developers move to a different platform if this isn't resolved soon." | 23:50 |
| rm_you | it's up to serge... | 23:50 |
| elb | I mean, seriously | 23:50 |
| p| | kde4 out tomorrow ? | 23:50 |
| p| | penguinbait, gogogo :) | 23:50 |
| rm_you | I was waiting to get more test results before I told him to definately do it | 23:50 |
| elb | if they hadn't done a program at *all*, people wouldn't be making threats like that, so ... | 23:50 |
| penguinbait | I said I would move to a diff country first :) | 23:50 |
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| elb | haha, yeah, I saw that post | 23:51 |
| derf | elb: If they hadn't done a program at all, those people would have already moved to a different platform. | 23:51 |
| elb | derf: then nothing is lost | 23:51 |
| skibur | ok | 23:51 |
| skibur | give me 5 more | 23:51 |
| skibur | lol | 23:51 |
| skibur | sending pic | 23:51 |
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| penguinbait | I paid full price for 770 and 800, and I never really get to use my device because I am always f-ing it up with KDE | 23:52 |
| derf | Honestly, with all the manpower invested and ill-will obtained, I wonder if it would've been better to just give the things away for free. | 23:52 |
| Spakman_ | Tak: no worries about sqlite - thanks anyway | 23:52 |
| derf | But maybe that would've been just as much hassle to get the stores to actually ship them... I don't know. | 23:53 |
| p| | penguinbait, there are several issue with kde on n800 due to dialog box out of screen :( | 23:53 |
| elb | I'm interested to see how this GPS works, too | 23:53 |
| elb | all of the complaints i see sound like people who just don't know anything about GPS | 23:54 |
| elb | (like people complaining that cold start can take several minutes) | 23:54 |
| p| | like the kprinter | 23:54 |
| derf | Well, I don't know how much better SirfStar III really is compared to el cheapo TI chips. | 23:55 |
| |tbb| | the prob is youve get told sirf3 and then u dont | 23:55 |
| p| | today i have also print a website homepage on my net printer from n800/kde | 23:55 |
| derf | But I have an el cheapo bluetooth GPS unit, and the difference between that and, say, my friends' cell phones is dramatic. | 23:55 |
| elb | cell phones generally aren't really GPS | 23:56 |
| |tbb| | my chief at work got n95 and he is really disappointed about the gps | 23:57 |
| elb | cell towers are capable of providing location information, as well | 23:57 |
| derf | elb: Well, the only people I know who whip them out to show me are in Japan. | 23:57 |
| elb | and even phones which say they're "GPS" sometimes have some sort of hack that uses the cell towers to get a general fix, then some shady pseudo-GPS refinement | 23:57 |
| CrashandDie | what is the screen format on the n8x0 ? | 23:57 |
| elb | I don't understand the details, but apparently very few phones *actually* do GPS | 23:57 |
| derf | Well, whatever it is, it works a lot better. | 23:58 |
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| derf | Especially in, say, Tokyo. | 23:58 |
| elb | sure -- even if you have *real* GPS, the initial fix from the towers will speed up your location acquisition | 23:58 |
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| TreMobyl | so, buying the n810 in the USA: can it even be done? | 23:59 |
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| halley | Yes, Solarion. | 23:59 |
| skibur | penguinbait, you there? | 23:59 |
| elb | amazon claims to have it in stock | 23:59 |
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