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| scibot | lcuk, Yeah damn straight, would've been fun to get blender cranking frames. | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | i wonder just how much code would be needed to bootstrap it | 00:04 |
| scibot | Hmm? | 00:04 |
| * lcuk has seen this conversation before | 00:04 | |
| lcuk | get the core working in the kernel | 00:04 |
| scibot | Heh, oh and FYI blender worked on the 770 apparently. | 00:05 |
| lcuk | what nokia gives with one hand they taketh away with the other | 00:05 |
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| scibot | Yeah, if if if, we're waiting on someone pulling off some miracle. | 00:05 |
| lcuk | it wont be a miracle, it just needs the right approach | 00:05 |
| Aniruddha_N800 | is there a way to retrive a root passwprd? | 00:06 |
| lcuk | the code exists and its out there - binary or not | 00:06 |
| scibot | As far as I'm concerned, I'll be praising the ground they walk on. | 00:06 |
| lcuk | i am already priming my ass kissing lips to prepare for the day | 00:06 |
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| lcuk | i am gonna see if i can con my boss into getting a Ti test rig | 00:08 |
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| qos | hey guys ... | 00:10 |
| lcuk | hey | 00:11 |
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| jeff1f | yo | 00:12 |
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| dhdfoo | is the best solution for installing the Maemo SDK on x86-64 to first install 32-bit Debian in a chroot? | 00:19 |
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| scibot | dhdfoo, Or a virtual machine. | 00:20 |
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| scibot | Which is safer, I screwed up my debian installation pretty badly due to my own stupidity on day. | 00:21 |
| scibot | one* | 00:21 |
| lcuk | agree with that, i got a vmware image | 00:21 |
| scibot | dhdfoo, I also got it working without the chroot, but I recommend going the vm route. | 00:21 |
| lcuk | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ | 00:22 |
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| dhdfoo | yeah I had it set up with dchroot and kept running into annoying scratchbox problems and eventually just deleted the stupid thing | 00:25 |
| dhdfoo | things were not getting mounted, my sbox group wasn't showing up, etc | 00:26 |
| dhdfoo | I will try the VM, thanks! | 00:26 |
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| scibot | dhdfoo, I took the installation script and did some editing, added a couple of packages and bam, working setup. | 00:33 |
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| lardman | sooo many new threads on itt.... | 00:41 |
| lardman | new posts even | 00:42 |
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| Vulcanis | its christmas | 00:45 |
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| Vulcanis | lots of people got tablets | 00:45 |
| Vulcanis | what do you expect | 00:45 |
| lardman | True | 00:46 |
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| lardman | anyone know what laces are in tremor? | 00:57 |
| derf | Lacing values describe how pages are partitioned into packets. | 00:59 |
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| lardman | in the same way that references are used to access buffers? | 01:00 |
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| derf | I mean, in the bitstream. | 01:00 |
| derf | They are the physical encoding of the packet lengths. | 01:01 |
| lardman | okay, makes a bit of sense now | 01:01 |
| lardman | I see a lace ptr | 01:01 |
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| besturl | Do you want to see video and picture of nude celebrities with a forum 100% free !!! just click there => http://www.besturl.org/forum | 01:02 |
| shackan | besturl go fuck yourself, please | 01:03 |
| lardman | I've missed converting a pointer somewhere - I had working checksums, but the oy->fifo_fill was wrong, I've fixed the oy->fifo_fill and checksums are knackered | 01:03 |
| lardman | or a set of pointers | 01:03 |
| lardman | I appear to have repeated data in my ogg_references | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | is there an irc client for 810 yet, or are ppl just using web? | 01:05 |
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| shackan | lcuk: pidgin | 01:05 |
| lcuk | thought that was just im... will give it a look tho. ta | 01:06 |
| shackan | (and telepathy-idle, if you want the thrill of your device crashing as soon as you enter a channel with more than 60 members) | 01:06 |
| lardman | e.g. http://pastebin.ca/841909 | 01:06 |
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| astro76 | lcuk, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ | 01:07 |
| * lcuk_idiot blushes | 01:07 | |
| lcuk_idiot | thanks :) | 01:07 |
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| * lcuk_idiot will middle click instead | 01:09 | |
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| Cptnodegard | hah | 01:12 |
| Cptnodegard | just played a untouched downloaded episode of ST TOS on my n800, directly off a flash pen in usb host mode | 01:12 |
| bill2or3 | host mode, you say? | 01:13 |
| bill2or3 | do tell. | 01:13 |
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| Cptnodegard | home made auto-host cable | 01:13 |
| Cptnodegard | hang on for pic | 01:13 |
| * bill2or3 holds on. | 01:13 | |
| * lcuk also holds on | 01:14 | |
| * lcuk can feel himself slipping... | 01:14 | |
| Cptnodegard | uploading... | 01:14 |
| Cptnodegard | also got a full size USB keyboard to work | 01:14 |
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| Cptnodegard | "got to work" as in plugged in, worked | 01:15 |
| Cptnodegard | http://captain-odegard.com/n800/host.jpg | 01:15 |
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| lcuk | cpt :) nice | 01:16 |
| Cptnodegard | that video was divx 3, 846kbps, 512x384 | 01:16 |
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| bill2or3 | is that cable injecting power, or is it just a physical adapter from mini-a to B? | 01:17 |
| Robot101 | what do you need to do in software to make it do host mode? just set the flag with the flasher? | 01:17 |
| Cptnodegard | no power. n800 outputs 200mah,enough for small stuff | 01:17 |
| Cptnodegard | its a mini-a to female a, with pin 4 and 5 on the mini a connected | 01:18 |
| lcuk | pt, how does it effect battery consumption | 01:18 |
| Cptnodegard | no idea... | 01:18 |
| bill2or3 | I actually have an adapter for that, I'll have to give it a try. | 01:18 |
| Cptnodegard | doesnt work | 01:19 |
| lcuk | lol @ 5min uptimes ;) | 01:19 |
| Cptnodegard | there is only one known adapter that works out of the box | 01:19 |
| lcuk | "there can be only one" | 01:19 |
| Cptnodegard | alternately you need root access to enable host mode manually | 01:19 |
| bill2or3 | is there docs on that anywhere? | 01:19 |
| Cptnodegard | connecting pin 4 and 5 on mini a enables auto switch | 01:19 |
| Cptnodegard | yes, hang on | 01:20 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=120454#post120454 | 01:20 |
| scibot | Still wishing Maemo had a torrent tracker. | 01:21 |
| bill2or3 | are there drivers for anything besides keyboard and flashdrives? | 01:21 |
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| * bill2or3 reads wiki page instead. | 01:22 | |
| Cptnodegard | scibot: torrent client you mean? | 01:22 |
| scibot | Cptnodegard, No tracker. | 01:22 |
| Cptnodegard | bill2or3: i think a guy got a mouse to work... no sure. HDD works if they have their own power source | 01:22 |
| scibot | I wouldn't mention if it wasn't for the transmission port. | 01:22 |
| scibot | Have videos and other questionable content for direct download on the maemo devices themselves. | 01:23 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 01:24 |
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| Cptnodegard | another usb host pic: http://captain-odegard.com/n800/PICT0719.jpg | 01:24 |
| * lcuk bids you lot good night :) | 01:25 | |
| * lcuk might come back again | 01:25 | |
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| scibot | Cptnodegard, The gp2x folks had a nice resource for all the rom packs, old games etc. http://gp2xtorrents.com/ | 01:30 |
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| bill2or3 | I plugged in a usb thumbdrive, and it worked. | 01:32 |
| scibot | I mean, if anything it'd probably help tons for the major firmware and software releases. | 01:36 |
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| lardman | hmm, I've found my tremor problem, it looks like the ogg_sync_state counters work in 16bit byte mode, while everything else uses 8bit byte mode | 01:41 |
| lardman | sorry for the random comment :) | 01:43 |
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| luron | louk check out mtpaint | 01:45 |
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| luron | i always enjoy hearing of your progress lardman | 01:46 |
| scibot | An example of a paint program done right is Colors! for the S | 01:47 |
| scibot | DS* | 01:47 |
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| lardman | luron: makes me feel less mad if I'm not just talking to myself ;) | 01:48 |
| scibot | http://colors.brombra.net/ | 01:48 |
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| scibot | Whoops | 01:49 |
| scibot | http://www.collectingsmiles.com/colors/ | 01:49 |
| scibot | That's the software site. | 01:49 |
| luron | why port a DS app when there's a good lightweight GTK-based app | 01:49 |
| scibot | Not suggesting we port it. | 01:49 |
| scibot | Especially without source code. | 01:49 |
| scibot | I said it was an example of a paint program that works really well on a portable platform. | 01:50 |
| bill2or3 | anyone know what the snapshot.ko modules is for? | 01:50 |
| skibur | I was a part of the DSLinux project for DS Lite | 01:50 |
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| msh_ | the gallery pictures are pretty impressive | 01:50 |
| skibur | :) well still am | 01:50 |
| scibot | http://colors.brombra.net/details/2106-helmeted_guy_by_wesburt.php - I like this one. | 01:51 |
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| scibot | msh_, Main thing is most of the tools are mapped to hardware buttons, making it easy to access and quick. | 01:54 |
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| msh_ | yeah. though with even a single button you could use it to toggle an onscreen menu type thing I guess | 02:00 |
| msh_ | (less good, but usable) | 02:00 |
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| scibot | All I need is a colour wheel, brush size and colour picker accessible quick and easy. | 02:03 |
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| scibot | Past that, I don't even need opacity options or layers, (although either would be nice) | 02:05 |
| lardman | dhdfoo: ping | 02:09 |
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| scibot | Opacity allows for tinting colours, which is a neat technique when you need to add some variety. | 02:12 |
| lardman | dhdfoo: I got your email; I should be online tomorrow, to have a chat about it. Not sure about your 20ms requirement as I've never done any timings for the transfers, kulve might be the chap to ask about that | 02:12 |
| lardman | s/20ms/10ms | 02:12 |
| lardman | night all | 02:14 |
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| luron | scibot: imo the key component is brush speed on a tablet. if you can't draw smooth curves forget it | 02:31 |
| luron | right after that comes a fast and useful airbrush mode | 02:31 |
| luron | this requires much more cpu | 02:31 |
| luron | it needs to be done right | 02:33 |
| luron | the recording of brush strokes has to be independent of display rate | 02:33 |
| luron | so if you pick a large fuzzy brush and draw a stroke, it doesn't try to composite and draw every frame | 02:34 |
| luron | before the next frame | 02:34 |
| luron | that gives you a series of alpha blended circles | 02:34 |
| luron | it's not trivial to implement well! | 02:34 |
| dhdfoo | lardman|gone: cool | 02:35 |
| msh_ | does gimp have any good tablet code do you know? | 02:35 |
| luron | gimp has been built for the tablets, didn't work on my 770 though | 02:35 |
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| msh_ | I mean like drawing tablets | 02:37 |
| luron | like wacom? works fine here | 02:39 |
| msh_ | hm. so something like that could potentially be ported | 02:39 |
| luron | been there, done that | 02:40 |
| nomis | msh_: port the XInput-extension to the tablet. | 02:40 |
| luron | what on earth for? | 02:42 |
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| nomis | luron: for pressure support in Gimp. | 02:52 |
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| unique311 | <luron> why port a DS app when there's a good lightweight GTK-based app | 03:01 |
| unique311 | and this apps is? | 03:01 |
| unique311 | i would really like a copy, if you have it. | 03:02 |
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| luron | from what i've seen i still think mtpaint is a good program for the tablet | 03:06 |
| unique311 | you do. | 03:07 |
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| unique311 | it is, but i've yet to see the hildonize version of it. | 03:08 |
| unique311 | at least a freaking beta. | 03:08 |
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| msh_ | mtpaint looks like ms paintbrush (ie no opacity)? | 03:12 |
| unique311 | luron, fullscreen would put me in my place. and i would be very happy. | 03:13 |
| unique311 | its not. | 03:13 |
| unique311 | msh_, much better than paintbrush. | 03:13 |
| msh_ | http://mtpaint.sourceforge.net/handbook/en_GB/chap_03.html#SEC21 | 03:14 |
| msh_ | and no AA? | 03:15 |
| unique311 | msh_, check 3.5 | 03:16 |
| unique311 | mid page | 03:16 |
| msh_ | ok yeah | 03:16 |
| msh_ | though pretty rough edges | 03:17 |
| unique311 | i built it a while back with no optimization. | 03:17 |
| luron | I've emailed the developer and he has translucent brushes in his development version but not in the release version | 03:17 |
| unique311 | drew some descent stuff with it. | 03:17 |
| luron | s/has/had | 03:17 |
| luron | so that opacity brush / alpha blended brush is the main thing it needs, then the hildonization of course | 03:18 |
| msh_ | *nod* | 03:18 |
| unique311 | so anyone knows whose trying to port it on maemo.org is? | 03:18 |
| unique311 | -is | 03:18 |
| luron | no info - he didn't respond to my mail either | 03:18 |
| unique311 | http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/unique311/Misc/?action=view¤t=Budn800screen.jpg thats me struggle with the tiny screen size. | 03:22 |
| unique311 | i think if he just added fullscreen support, i would be happy. | 03:22 |
| luron | :/ | 03:24 |
| luron | it's not that hard | 03:25 |
| unique311 | its not, but its also not that easy. | 03:26 |
| unique311 | which makes it | 03:26 |
| unique311 | ? | 03:26 |
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| unique311 | for being done on the DS, this is pretty sick. http://colors.brombra.net/details/2386-Rach_by_subha.php | 03:32 |
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| unique311 | luron are you running os2008? | 03:42 |
| luron | noo 2006 | 03:43 |
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| luron | am applying for credit card to purchase a n810 | 03:44 |
| luron | cause my last one ended 2007 | 03:44 |
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| |tbb| | hmmh kismet runs and gather packets about over 20minutes it seems something changed to os2008 or on the chip of n810 | 03:48 |
| rm_you | lcuk: there is an xchat released for n810 :) | 03:48 |
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| lcuk | wicked :D | 03:52 |
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| unique311 | luron, was wondering how you were running mtpaint. | 03:57 |
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| unique311 | seems people are having issues installing it on os2008. | 03:58 |
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| scibot | luron, Airbrush is completely overrated | 04:01 |
| scibot | luron, I work entirely with a hard edged brush and with opacity control it's easy to control soft edges by working lightly. | 04:02 |
| scibot | luron, Even then there's the direct painting method where you just put down the exact colours you need and not rely on blending, I know a few who pull that off really well. | 04:03 |
| scibot | That doesn't need opacity even. | 04:03 |
| luron | i learned to sketch with pencil, so that's basically what i want | 04:04 |
| luron | can't re-train | 04:04 |
| scibot | I spend 90% of my time with a pencil, but I pick up new methods as I need them. | 04:05 |
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| luron | i wonder if any paint package has a good 'software pencil' emulation | 04:09 |
| scibot | luron, It really depends, my mechanical pencil feels way different to a charcoal pencil. | 04:10 |
| scibot | luron, The major applications like Photoshop and Painter do enable you with enough brush options to emulate the feel. | 04:10 |
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| luron | ah | 04:13 |
| luron | well i mostly work now with airbrush and reverse-pencil | 04:13 |
| luron | first i sketch outlines | 04:13 |
| luron | and base colors | 04:13 |
| luron | then i 'paint with light' | 04:13 |
| luron | but you should see unique311's stuff, he's pretty good | 04:14 |
| scibot | I tend to jump into the silohuette right away and build any colours as I go along, mainly colour picking the colours that work and using that to sculpt and make it more uniform. | 04:15 |
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| unique311 | i have stuff on conceptart.org | 04:15 |
| scibot | I'm a moderator there. | 04:15 |
| unique311 | done via photoshop with a wacom table. | 04:15 |
| unique311 | cool | 04:15 |
| unique311 | sciboy? | 04:15 |
| scibot | Yep. | 04:16 |
| unique311 | you also on the irc channel. | 04:16 |
| scibot | I had to drop the boy since I'm not going to stay one for long. =/ | 04:16 |
| unique311 | lol | 04:16 |
| scibot | Nah, right now I'm taking a break from CA, focusing more on just cranking out art and animation. | 04:16 |
| unique311 | big fan of digital now, ever since buying my wacom | 04:16 |
| scibot | All the studying was distracting me from doing solid illustrations and such. | 04:16 |
| unique311 | CA actually motivated me to drawing more than i was suppose to. | 04:17 |
| scibot | I welcome the opportunity to get away from the computer, so pencil and acrylic paints keep me busy, although I have an easier time digitally. | 04:17 |
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| scibot | Same, CA got me into art in the first place. | 04:18 |
| unique311 | the difference between alot of the digital artist and me i think. | 04:18 |
| scibot | But at this stage I do need the break. | 04:18 |
| unique311 | you give some digital artist a pen a pad, and they are lost. | 04:18 |
| unique311 | give them a wacom, and they can draw some really nice stuff. | 04:19 |
| scibot | I know where this is going but most competent digital artists work in traditional too. | 04:19 |
| scibot | It's hard to carry a desktop and wacom where ever you go, as opposed to a pencil and a pad. | 04:19 |
| unique311 | thats where a tablet comes into play. | 04:20 |
| unique311 | umpc's, ITs. | 04:20 |
| scibot | Got a sketchbook on CA? | 04:21 |
| unique311 | yeah. | 04:21 |
| unique311 | pretty new. | 04:21 |
| unique311 | still trying to get thru one page..lol | 04:21 |
| scibot | Heh, my old one reached near thousands of images on the first page. | 04:21 |
| scibot | Become I was posting hundreds in each batch | 04:21 |
| unique311 | http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1517696#post1517696 | 04:21 |
| scibot | It was a bandwidth raper for no apparent reason. | 04:22 |
| unique311 | i was thinking about posting my old stuff. | 04:23 |
| scibot | Keep up the good work. | 04:23 |
| scibot | Oh and don't bother with old stuff in a sketchbook. | 04:23 |
| scibot | The point of the sketchbook is to keep people up to date with your current progress. | 04:23 |
| unique311 | scibot, your sketchbook still alive? | 04:26 |
| scibot | Nope long gone and dead. | 04:27 |
| scibot | I never got into maintaining any sort of sketchbook or gallery online, too much work. | 04:27 |
| unique311 | lately i've been working on t'shirt designs. so taking a break from CA. | 04:28 |
| unique311 | hopefully i can have 1 design printed by feb | 04:28 |
| unique311 | and make some money. | 04:28 |
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| luron | i want to shackle all these concept art people into a basement and make them do work for open source games | 04:29 |
| scibot | Speaking of which I'm working on art and animation for os games at the moment. | 04:30 |
| luron | can you tell us which? | 04:30 |
| scibot | Just a side-scrolling shooter as an intro project, only got started recently. | 04:31 |
| scibot | Then looking at doing the cutscenes for Warzone 2100 | 04:31 |
| luron | a *lot* of that conceptart stuff makes me think of RPGs | 04:32 |
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| scibot | I'm not touching RPG's out of principle at least for now. | 04:32 |
| scibot | I don't find them fun at all. | 04:32 |
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| rm_you | do you do 3d modeling or just 2d stuff? :P | 04:37 |
| scibot | Both | 04:37 |
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| rm_you | hm | 04:38 |
| scibot | I usually 2d together with 3d to crank out sprites. | 04:38 |
| scibot | use 2d* | 04:38 |
| scibot | *note* I'm 36 hours sleep deprived so my sentence structure has gone out the window. | 04:39 |
| lcuk | its ok scibot, your not seeing double yet. | 04:39 |
| lcuk | its ok scibot, your not seeing double yet. | 04:39 |
| scibot | Heh | 04:39 |
| luron | Niklas Jansson sometimes shows up on freenode as ArneArting | 04:40 |
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| luron | he's really versatile | 04:40 |
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| luron | http://www.conceptart.org/artimg/image.php?img=prometheus_anj/full/vitanka2.jpg | 04:40 |
| scibot | Yep, I've sort of adopted him as an idol at the moment, something to aspire to and mimic. | 04:41 |
| lcuk | the only real freehand computer drawings i did was on deluxepaint on the amiga! | 04:41 |
| scibot | http://www.itchstudios.com/psg/utopia/utopia.htm | 04:41 |
| lcuk | lost interest when they made it all too complicated | 04:42 |
| luron | 'pencil scribbles'... sheesh | 04:42 |
| scibot | luron, He's one of those guys who applies colours directly really well. | 04:42 |
| scibot | None of the building and airbrushing bullshit. :P | 04:43 |
| luron | yeah i read some of his tutorials and i have a whole directory of stuff glomed | 04:43 |
| luron | but you can see from his 'scribbles' | 04:43 |
| luron | in his brain he can see exactly what he wants to draw | 04:43 |
| luron | he's not "putting it together on the paper" | 04:43 |
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| scibot | luron, Yep, actually that's the one thing I'm trying to build at the moment. | 04:44 |
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| scibot | luron, Focusing on cartooning and life studies to help make the process a little less brutal | 04:45 |
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| * lcuk sneezes | 05:05 | |
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| lcuk2 | hello world (from 810) | 05:08 |
| DeLe0n | haha lcuk2: pidgin? | 05:09 |
| lcuk2 | nahh still ircatwork | 05:09 |
| lcuk2 | i got xchat beta as well but i wanted to start with what i kinda know | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | xchat is on Chinook | 05:10 |
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| lcuk2 | oooh i finally fell out | 05:10 |
| lcuk2 | strange how i closed the window about a month ago | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password> | 05:11 |
| Bog[nl] | i just saw your post about it generalaantilles. thanks, it works great :) | 05:11 |
| lcuk2 | sometimes being a ghosty is good | 05:12 |
| * lcuk2 scares ppl | 05:12 | |
| * scibot splurges on yet another deceptively simple book on cartooning. | 05:12 | |
| GeneralAntilles | If anybody is hurting from the stupid brightness levels in OS2008, check out fanoush's kernel | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | works great | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just need to talk somebody into writing us a custom statusbar applet. | 05:13 |
| lcuk2 | ant is he the guy that let rip about it actually dimming more AFTER setting it to min then waiting | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, sorta | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | fanoush is Mr. Superbadass kernel hacker | 05:14 |
| lcuk2 | wicked | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yes, there are about 30 more lower brightness steps down from the lowest GUI setting in OS2008 | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | 0-127 | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | level 1-4 are perfect for reading in the dark | 05:15 |
| * lcuk2 reads in the dark | 05:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Only problem is that you have to use a script to change it | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which isn't TOO bad | 05:15 |
| lcuk2 | do you use white on black | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | as you can just run xterm and do "blset 1" to change it before you read | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 05:16 |
| scibot | lcuk2, If you ever do get around to porting a paint app, after pygame of course, please map hardware shortcuts to the colour wheel, eyedropper and brush size. | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ | 05:16 |
| lcuk2 | on my old pda it looked wrong so i kept with whitebackground | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kernel: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/kernel-2.2007.50-2-custom.tar.gz | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Script: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/blset | 05:17 |
| scibot | I'm a dead man if I can't pick a colour of the canvas in a button press. | 05:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | White on black with the standard Sans font looks fantastic on the NIT screens. | 05:17 |
| scibot | off* | 05:17 |
| lcuk2 | sci - sounds like how it should be done i had the f keys on my touch screen lappy setup similar | 05:17 |
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| scibot | Any paint app will go from bearable to beautiful if you just make the features convenient. | 05:19 |
| lcuk2 | i like havin an oil paint palette | 05:19 |
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| lcuk2 | its rare i pick up identical color - to me it adds to the image | 05:20 |
| scibot | What I'll do is pick up a colour already on the canvas and tweak it. | 05:21 |
| scibot | Swipe over the area with another colour on low opacity, eye drop the result and then tweak it, is my usual approach | 05:21 |
| scibot | Works well over underpaintings. | 05:21 |
| lcuk2 | if im workin with limited color i use the dropper but i usually just guess | 05:23 |
| scibot | I just like to build on what's already on the canvas. | 05:23 |
| lcuk2 | im gonna enjoy workun on this nokia | 05:25 |
| lcuk2 | or not as the typos would have me believe | 05:26 |
| scibot | I will as well once the whole pygame pixel doubling thing is sorted. | 05:26 |
| lcuk2 | i went away before readin up on the kernel and seeing what ties are in place for talkin to the 2420 | 05:27 |
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| luron | i'd advocate a C painter instead of python | 05:28 |
| luron | and have scibot be the UI dictator | 05:28 |
| lcuk2 | when i got the latest src from maemo they are all datestamped april thats not right s it? | 05:28 |
| luron | what is your system date lcuk2 ? | 05:28 |
| lcuk2 | as long as the actions and tools are exposed we can all build a uui to fit | 05:29 |
| lcuk2 | damn my typing wil get better on this 810 soon | 05:29 |
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| lcuk2 | jan 0i | 05:29 |
| lcuk2 | 08 | 05:29 |
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| scibot | How is the keyboard? | 05:30 |
| lcuk2 | files are all 26/4/07 | 05:30 |
| lcuk2 | small... | 05:30 |
| scibot | I'm using a N800, which sucks to type on, (at least with 2008 which has been a little dodgy on the thumbboard) | 05:31 |
| lcuk2 | fat fingers trying to touchtype | 05:31 |
| scibot | Heh, not using your thumbs? | 05:31 |
| lcuk2 | theres no tab key - python dev onboard is ruined as a dreamfor now | 05:31 |
| lcuk2 | thumbs too s-ow | 05:31 |
| scibot | No tab key? xmodmap, or xkbd | 05:32 |
| lcuk2 | gonna get a bt kb | 05:32 |
| scibot | Same, going back'n'forth between the pc and the tablet doesn't sound too appetising. | 05:32 |
| lcuk2 | not yet that i could see - best tab is the centre of the d pad | 05:32 |
| lcuk2 | but thats enter | 05:33 |
| scibot | Probably going to end up with the Apple Wireless keyboard. | 05:33 |
| lcuk2 | i installed vnc and typed with my big one for a whi-e but its buggy | 05:33 |
| scibot | It's the cheapest and most solid one I can get my hands on around here. | 05:33 |
| lcuk2 | apple=bt? | 05:33 |
| scibot | Yep, at least the latest one is, HID compatible. | 05:34 |
| lcuk2 | nice | 05:34 |
| scibot | All the stores are stocking it, which is why I'll get it. | 05:34 |
| scibot | "APPLE Wireless Keyboard V2" "It connects using Bluetooth wireless" | 05:38 |
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| lcuk2 | 50quid tho | 05:38 |
| * lcuk2 will try to shove a cheapy one into the usb | 05:39 | |
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| scibot | I would too if I had any clue where to get the cable. | 05:41 |
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| ds3 | is OS2008 suppose to be able to use a HID compatable BT kb as is w/o the drivers? | 05:42 |
| scibot | Yep. | 05:42 |
| ds3 | Hmmm | 05:43 |
| scibot | But the one keyboard I tried wasn't HID, it didn't identify as a keyboard at all. | 05:43 |
| ds3 | was OS2007 suppose to be able to do that too? | 05:43 |
| scibot | Probably. | 05:43 |
| ds3 | oh then my keyboard has a broken HID implementation then :/ | 05:43 |
| scibot | You just need to go to the options and tell it that you're trying to use a non-nokia bt keyboard and pair the two. | 05:43 |
| ds3 | couldn't get it to work, wind up flipping to switch and using it in SPP mode with a usermode driver | 05:44 |
| lcuk2 | i know we can get wiimote interface i could use semaphore to code in | 05:45 |
| scibot | Hook it up to FCEU etc? | 05:46 |
| ds3 | the keyboard came with specific drivers for everything so I suspect the HID mode is a crock | 05:46 |
| scibot | ds3, At least mine paired once I gave it the specific passcode the manual said. | 05:47 |
| scibot | But considering it didn't pick up as a keyboard it was quite useless. | 05:47 |
| ds3 | scibot: it pairs, but doesn't work | 05:47 |
| ds3 | I have the KB300 freedom keyboard and other people have reported similar problems | 05:47 |
| ds3 | but the size makes it very nice with the N800 | 05:48 |
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| dospod | hey | 05:50 |
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| lcuk2 | im gonna try and rig up a kb over the weekend i think | 05:52 |
| wag3slav3 | Does anyone have the cifs modules for os2008? The link on http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/modules-rx-34-2.6.21.0.tar.gz doesn;t have the file anymore and I can't find them anywher else. | 05:52 |
| lcuk2 | isnt that avail from maemo.org | 05:54 |
| wag3slav3 | The wiki only has links for 2006-07 | 05:54 |
| ds3 | anyone gotten the ogg g-streamer plugins to work? I have them installed but the stock audio player still can't play ogg even though it ids the file with a music note icon | 05:55 |
| lcuk2 | damn neeed copy paste from desktop to nit | 05:57 |
| lcuk2 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/r/rx-34-kernel/ | 06:00 |
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| wag3slav3 | Awesome. | 06:01 |
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| lcuk2 | my mistake | 06:03 |
| lcuk2 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ | 06:03 |
| wag3slav3 | I just needed to know where the repository was :) You rule. | 06:03 |
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| lcuk2 | not really its my first dayhere | 06:04 |
| wag3slav3 | I love being able to know debian and have it in my hand. | 06:05 |
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| lcuk2 | ive always been afraid to jump | 06:08 |
| lcuk2 | now i have linux fulltime i am starting to understand | 06:09 |
| wag3slav3 | that doens't have the cifs one in it. | 06:09 |
| wag3slav3 | Just nfs and ext3 | 06:09 |
| wag3slav3 | I guess I'm gonna have to roll nfs. :( | 06:09 |
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| lcuk2 | ohh dunno then tthats the official one | 06:09 |
| wag3slav3 | I wish he would have just left that file where the forum links to. Everything I need has nice step by step, except necessary files are missing. | 06:10 |
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| wag3slav3 | Anyone hear when the upnp support will be ready for canola2? | 06:11 |
| * pupnik refreshes nokia.de | 06:12 | |
| pupnik | lcuk2: it's really fun to be able to tweak and port stuff on linux / tablets | 06:13 |
| lcuk2 | pup waitin for 810? | 06:13 |
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| pupnik | yeah | 06:13 |
| lcuk2 | ive had a whole 2 weeks off just lookin at this device | 06:13 |
| pupnik | not like there's a lack of things to do for 770 | 06:13 |
| pupnik | hehe | 06:13 |
| wag3slav3 | Just got my 800 yesterday. | 06:14 |
| wag3slav3 | I think I have to marry it. :) | 06:14 |
| pupnik | grats! | 06:14 |
| pupnik | :) | 06:14 |
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| lcuk2 | pup on hthe day my bonus came with wages nokia upped it here in uk | 06:14 |
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| pupnik | they are the awesomest computery things that fit in a pocket. | 06:14 |
| lcuk2 | i was in heaven | 06:14 |
| wag3slav3 | I've been a debian guy for about 3 years now, and all the back end hacking is so great on this thing. | 06:15 |
| lcuk2 | if i were getting another i would get an 800 | 06:16 |
| pupnik | personally it took me about a full year to get used to having something so cool | 06:16 |
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| lcuk2 | this is nice for on the go but i miss more buttons outside its like an iphone when kb closed | 06:17 |
| kuzew | Hello, I'm now having a bit of a problem with OS2008 and my n800, it will not boot up all the way, instend I get the blue LED flashing on the keypad then a reboot. Is there a way to fix this/get some more useful information to debug and figure out what caused this problem? (Maybe JTAG or serial out, or just print out to the screen?) | 06:17 |
| wag3slav3 | You tried a fresh flash? | 06:17 |
| pupnik | i'd love a few little unobtrusive buttons on the right hand side | 06:17 |
| kuzew | Trying to avoid that | 06:18 |
| tank-man | try taking out the battery for a second | 06:18 |
| wag3slav3 | hmm | 06:18 |
| kuzew | Well, that fixes it rebooting after each attempt to boot up | 06:18 |
| kuzew | I was just pairing my bt keyboard, and the LED went on, then it rebooted, now it does it all the time. | 06:18 |
| kuzew | I mean, I /could/ reflash it, but I have many apps that I've installed and dug up. | 06:19 |
| lcuk2 | turn off kb rem battery | 06:19 |
| kuzew | Huh? | 06:20 |
| lcuk2 | it miight get past if the bt is not detect | 06:20 |
| kuzew | So, turn off what now? | 06:20 |
| lcuk2 | the bt keyboard dont let nokia see it | 06:20 |
| lcuk2 | worth a try for free | 06:21 |
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| kuzew | I see, lets try it | 06:21 |
| kuzew | (I don't think it will fix it, but I shall try it) | 06:21 |
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| kuzew | Btw, R&D mode was NOT enabled this time | 06:22 |
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| kuzew | lcuk2: No luck with that solution | 06:22 |
| kuzew | It is doing its reboot 'cycle' over and over again. | 06:23 |
| * kuzew takes battery out | 06:23 | |
| lcuk2 | boo | 06:23 |
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| Thai | e | 06:24 |
| kuzew | I wish nokia would give you some better errors than just flaging the LED, if this is a kernel panic that is | 06:24 |
| Thai | gad | 06:24 |
| kuzew | Could one do away with the bootsplash and get the stdout from the kernel, so one could see what it is doing? | 06:26 |
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| wag3slav3 | Not without getting into the device first. | 06:27 |
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| kuzew | Well, I would assume so | 06:28 |
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| DeLe0n | blah, letstalk.com says that the estimated time for n810 to be back in stock is Feb 19... i will need to be a little bit (more) patient ha... | 06:41 |
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| wag3slav3 | Anyone have smb/cifs or nfs mounts working on os2008? | 06:47 |
| tank-man | i can browse samba shares with the filemanager, thats all ive done | 06:48 |
| tank-man | and upnp media shares | 06:48 |
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| kuzew | Well, I reflashed, now I just hope that meamo fixed there repos | 06:49 |
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| wag3slav3 | geh in case anyone else wants to do this. | 06:57 |
| wag3slav3 | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/ | 06:57 |
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| wag3slav3 | until ukmp or canola2 gets upnp | 06:58 |
| wag3slav3 | I just can't stand media streamer for some reason :) | 06:58 |
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| AlphaLux | Everyone sleeping? | 07:11 |
| hahlo | just wake up | 07:13 |
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| wag3slav3 | :P | 07:15 |
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| wag3slav3 | : | 07:28 |
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| AlphaLux | Just testing pidgin on a new 810. This thing is amazing. | 07:30 |
| wag3slav3 | :) | 07:32 |
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| Thai | help | 07:39 |
| Thai | oops | 07:39 |
| wag3slav3 | uh | 07:40 |
| wag3slav3 | are you drowning? | 07:40 |
| AlphaLux | Help? | 07:40 |
| * wag3slav3 throws Thai a line. | 07:40 | |
| wag3slav3 | don't die. | 07:40 |
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| PcMikeFl | :D | 07:43 |
| wag3slav3 | 8-) | 07:44 |
| PcMikeFl | |-) | 07:46 |
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| PcMikeFl | N800 rocks | 07:48 |
| wag3slav3 | I just got one my own self. | 07:48 |
| wag3slav3 | It beats the crap out of my toshiba e800 | 07:48 |
| wag3slav3 | (ms pocket pc 2003) | 07:49 |
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| PcMikeFl | Ya its cool i have hp ipaq ms2003 and i haave a mda | 07:49 |
| wag3slav3 | Still getting that keyboard down huh? | 07:50 |
| PcMikeFl | This blows em away lol | 07:50 |
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| wag3slav3 | Yep, my pocket pcs are now expensive ebook readers. | 07:52 |
| wag3slav3 | :) | 07:52 |
| pupnik_ | blew away my Psions too | 07:53 |
| pupnik_ | i still like the netbook | 07:53 |
| PcMikeFl | I still use it . Psion! | 07:53 |
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| pupnik_ | i know, i wish psion were still in biz | 07:54 |
| wag3slav3 | I'm working on syncing up the calendar/contacts with gmail and I'll be all golden. | 07:54 |
| pupnik_ | but tablets are cooler cuz linux | 07:54 |
| PcMikeFl | I got a hp 64 turionn just put fedora8 along with my windows | 07:54 |
| PcMikeFl | Turion | 07:54 |
| wag3slav3 | Cheerios would be cooler with some linux :) | 07:54 |
| wag3slav3 | "My cheerios run linux." | 07:55 |
| wag3slav3 | :D | 07:55 |
| * wag3slav3 eats linux cereal. | 07:55 | |
| PcMikeFl | Im a newbie with linux but i learn quick | 07:55 |
| PcMikeFl | It will be fun, i like the fact that i have 64os for free! | 07:56 |
| wag3slav3 | the hardware in my e800 is awsome, but it's been abandoned by everyone. 2003 os running on hardware that can play 800x600 divx, but no one writes software for it anymore. maemo won't have that problem. | 07:56 |
| pupnik_ | i want to play baldur's gate and planescape torment on the tablets | 07:56 |
| pupnik_ | and... i.... willllllllll | 07:57 |
| wag3slav3 | hmmm | 07:57 |
| wag3slav3 | Might take more than a n810 tho | 07:57 |
| PcMikeFl | Ya i played tons divx on all my toys | 07:57 |
| wag3slav3 | Well, it's been swell. | 07:58 |
| wag3slav3 | The swellings gone down tho. | 07:58 |
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| PcMikeFl | Im streaming audio now while chat on my n800 | 07:58 |
| pupnik_ | PcMikeFl: using what streamer? | 07:59 |
| pupnik_ | i never found a convenient way to install a big list of radio stations onto the default player | 08:00 |
| AlphaLux | Yeah this thing can really multitask well for such a small device. | 08:00 |
| PcMikeFl | Mediabox | 08:00 |
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| pupnik_ | anybody with a 770 around? | 08:02 |
| pupnik_ | i made a one-click install file that needs a test | 08:02 |
| pupnik_ | http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html | 08:02 |
| PcMikeFl | Ya its not that simple yet but media box found my existing links on my memory card | 08:02 |
| pupnik_ | ok so those are .pls files PcMikeFl ? | 08:03 |
| PcMikeFl | No actually mms | 08:03 |
| PcMikeFl | Live radio links | 08:03 |
| PcMikeFl | Yes i have .pls but mplayer handles those | 08:05 |
| AlphaLux | Gotta go. Take care. | 08:08 |
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| PcMikeFl | ;) | 08:08 |
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| unique311 | c'est life. | 08:52 |
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| kulve | ds3: FM shows the icons for oggs, but cannot open them (unless you explicitly select media player). MP cannot open the files, if you try opening them through the menu. But the oggs will show up in the Library in MP and the oggs will play from there | 10:16 |
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| darx | hi guys which one is the ram chip here. http://www.ee.nmt.edu/~james.smith/n800_no_shields_1200_dpi.jpg and can it be upgraded? | 11:12 |
| darx | that is an n800 btw | 11:13 |
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| darx | never mind found it. | 11:16 |
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| darx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4589&page=3 | 11:16 |
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| jga23 | for gngeo, am I supposed to leave the games zipped? | 11:26 |
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| astro76 | jga23, haven't tried it yet but that is pretty standard with emulators | 11:42 |
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| mbuf | for GUI applications in python on Maemo, do we use pygtk or any other? | 11:52 |
| jga23 | yeah, pygtk | 11:54 |
| jga23 | or pygame | 11:55 |
| mbuf | jga23, thanks | 11:57 |
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| darx | how can i change file associations? I'm on a nokia n800 2008 os. | 12:26 |
| darx | :-) | 12:26 |
| hahlo | where i get gnokii + depencies for os2008? | 12:28 |
| darx | doesn't anybody know how to change file associations? | 12:32 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 12:38 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:04 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:05 |
| kulve | darx: by setting mime types | 13:06 |
| kulve | or adding | 13:07 |
| darx | kulve: where can I do that? | 13:07 |
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| kulve | on a desktop, there are about all known mime types listed, but on it2008 there are only the ones supported somehow by the system | 13:07 |
| lardman | rm_you: ping | 13:07 |
| kulve | darx: you can check ogg project from garage (check the SVN tree) | 13:08 |
| darx | why ogg? i don't see the connection between ogg and mime types | 13:09 |
| darx | kulve: i'm a noob mind you :-P | 13:09 |
| kulve | because ogg support adds the ogg mime types and you can check it for an example | 13:09 |
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| kulve | darx: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/usr/share/mime/packages/ogg-support.xml?root=ogg&view=markup | 13:12 |
| kulve | there's the xml file for ogg mime types (copied mostly from my desktop computer's /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml file) | 13:12 |
| kulve | and to update the mime type caches you must run "update-mime-database /usr/share/mime" | 13:13 |
| [pablo] | is there any way to rerun the phone wizard that runs when you first install the os? | 13:14 |
| kulve | [pablo]: yes, from the connection manager | 13:14 |
| [pablo] | i was looking in there and could only find the manual connection | 13:15 |
| kulve | conn. mgr. -> menu -> Tools -> Mobile operator setup wized... | 13:16 |
| [pablo] | thanks | 13:18 |
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| Zic | somebody knows about issues with a Fonera ? | 13:21 |
| Zic | with 770/N8*0 ? | 13:22 |
| Zic | I've got somes disconnect problems when I'm connected to MyPlace SSID (WPA2) | 13:22 |
| Zic | I'm forced to use public SSID to use my tablet | 13:23 |
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| jonek | hey - happy new year everybody :-) - got the dicount-code-activation-mail yesterday but the codes appears to be invalid .. anybody with different experience here? | 13:48 |
| ptman | mine worked | 13:48 |
| jonek | *hmpf* | 13:48 |
| jonek | ptman: which store did you use to order? | 13:48 |
| harbaum | Mine also doesn't work | 13:49 |
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| jonek | hey Till! | 13:49 |
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| ptman | jonek: finland | 13:50 |
| ptman | maybe you just need to wait some days | 13:50 |
| harbaum | My code fails in the german shop | 13:51 |
| jonek | harbaum: mine too | 13:51 |
| kulve | according to the dev list there are other germans too with problems | 13:52 |
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| Jaffa | jonek: I didn't notice that I got a new code in my email, using that one worked in the UK store. | 13:55 |
| Jaffa | The latest email says: "Remember your code is: XXXXXXXXXX." when it wasn't what I should remember, it was a different code to the earlier email which included it. | 13:56 |
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| harbaum | Neither the old nor the new code work | 13:57 |
| jonek | Jaffa: I've seen that footnote and tried both codes without success. I got two different codes, too. | 13:57 |
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| unique311 | anyone try out this kgbarchiver. | 14:05 |
| unique311 | 300MB to about 1.5MB compress with the the archiver | 14:06 |
| Jaffa | 300MB of what? | 14:06 |
| jonek | 10101010101010 :-) | 14:06 |
| unique311 | data | 14:07 |
| sxpert | kgbarchiver ? does that forward everything to Putin ? | 14:07 |
| wumpus | can it also decompress it again ? :) | 14:07 |
| unique311 | yes | 14:07 |
| unique311 | linux version also. | 14:08 |
| wumpus | I was afraid of that sxpert | 14:08 |
| Jaffa | unique311: it can't be random data, cos information theory has limits on that. It must be a particular type of data, such as text which is highly compressible | 14:08 |
| wumpus | I trust it as much as ciaarchiver | 14:08 |
| sxpert | wumpus, heh | 14:08 |
| unique311 | well i don't want to discuss what im about to decomppress | 14:08 |
| unique311 | its an application | 14:08 |
| unique311 | so i doubt it only does text. | 14:09 |
| unique311 | the application is about 355MB | 14:09 |
| unique311 | and compressed its 1.5MB | 14:09 |
| unique311 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=162546 | 14:09 |
| sxpert | unique311, if it's C source code, no wonder :-) | 14:10 |
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| jonek | http://www.wherigo.com would be a cool app for the InternetTablets | 14:10 |
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| wumpus | unique311: on the kgbarchiver page they test only with text, but the results look impressive nontheless | 14:13 |
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| unique311 | the app i'm uncompressing is 439MB. | 14:14 |
| unique311 | just hope it works still | 14:14 |
| unique311 | 10 minutes to uncompress | 14:16 |
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| unique311 | wondering if compression takes long. | 14:18 |
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| unique311 | awwww...ok this is the downside of this kgbarchiver. | 14:21 |
| unique311 | lol | 14:21 |
| unique311 | i misread time remaining.. | 14:22 |
| unique311 | 8 minutes is looking more like 8 hours | 14:22 |
| unique311 | hahahah | 14:22 |
| unique311 | that is unsat. | 14:22 |
| wumpus | hehe | 14:23 |
| Cptnodegard | kbarchiever? | 14:23 |
| Cptnodegard | ah | 14:23 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 14:23 |
| unique311 | so sad | 14:24 |
| unique311 | 8 freaking hours. | 14:24 |
| unique311 | i gues for a 10MB app that would be good, compress it to about nothing, and take 2 hours or so to uncompress the damn thing. | 14:26 |
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| unique311 | Cptnodegard, KGB Archiver | 14:29 |
| Cptnodegard | sounds illegal | 14:29 |
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| alterego | Sounds soviet | 14:30 |
| unique311 | well right now it sucks | 14:30 |
| unique311 | i think you need some sort of super computer for this thing to uncompress at good speeds | 14:31 |
| unique311 | the minimum requirements was up there on the site | 14:31 |
| unique311 | recommend processor with 1,5GHz clock and 256MB of RAM | 14:32 |
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| wumpus | yeah, it's not like you are compressing gigabytes of data | 14:36 |
| wumpus | what processor do you have? | 14:36 |
| unique311 | notebook intel pentium M 1.73GHz | 14:37 |
| unique311 | 2GB ram | 14:37 |
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| wumpus | ok not exactly ancient either | 14:38 |
| unique311 | faster cpu the faster the uncompression. | 14:38 |
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| unique311 | right now, that pentium M is ancient. | 14:39 |
| wumpus | still, with 7zip or bzip2 it'd probably be a lot faster | 14:39 |
| unique311 | isn't everything dual core now. | 14:39 |
| unique311 | or is that a thing of the past now. | 14:39 |
| wumpus | well that would give you a two times speedup at most | 14:39 |
| Cord | . o O ( dual core n810 ) | 14:39 |
| unique311 | ARM dual core | 14:40 |
| wumpus | so they did sacrifice (de)compression speed for better compression ratio, which makes it useful for some niche applications but certainly not as general archive format :) | 14:40 |
| * lcuk wakes up and looks bleary | 14:41 | |
| Jaffa | http://www.faqs.org/faqs/compression-faq/part1/ has some good bits in the "General questions" bit about compressing arbitrary random data at > 50% ratio | 14:41 |
| Jaffa | Maybe they just upload it all to the KGB servers in .ru, and the small file size is just an index or tracker. Decompression is dependent then on bandwidth available ;-) | 14:42 |
| wumpus | hehe, that explains the slowness :) | 14:42 |
| Juhaz | the paq archivers are real (though obviously useless) | 14:42 |
| unique311 | Cord, 2 ARMs are better than one gave some good results | 14:43 |
| wumpus | well, useless is not the word, but indeed small text files is not really the important thing to compress these days | 14:44 |
| wumpus | and with that speed I wouldn't think about using it for video compression | 14:44 |
| Juhaz | at that speed, you wouldn't consider about using it for anything. thus, useless. | 14:44 |
| wumpus | it might be useful for places where storage is really at a premium, then again, it needs so much memory | 14:45 |
| unique311 | Jaffa, maybe. | 14:46 |
| unique311 | with that said, i hits the cancel button. | 14:47 |
| unique311 | 7 hours left also play a part in clicking that cancel button | 14:47 |
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| lcuk | does anyone know whst the biggest battery pack/extender i can use is? are these aa rechagers useful? | 14:51 |
| * lcuk would carry a car battery if required | 14:52 | |
| Juhaz | well, if you want to carry a car batter, that would no doubt beat all aa rechargers. | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | lol i would do it but what sort of life can you get with aa i am not superstrong lol | 14:53 |
| lcuk | im just wondering cos i flattened his last night and i dont like being tethered for ages | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | are thnere higher capacity bats that can still rfecharge | 14:55 |
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| lcuk | unique - you asked if i am using humbs lastnigght i am now and its more tiring | 14:56 |
| lcuk | thumbs | 14:56 |
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| lcuk | i just realised if i get some sort of pack on the backfor batt thats ok, but if i try same with usb so i can have a std usb socket underneath i lose use of the stand | 15:01 |
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| lcuk | (on 810 usb is under stand) | 15:02 |
| astro76 | luck, you can't charge through the usb port anyway, unless this has changed with the n810 | 15:04 |
| astro76 | you need usb to nokia charge plug adapter | 15:05 |
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| lcuk | no i know i cant charge but sincd its usb otg i would prefer a std usb socket so i can plug std keyboafd in | 15:05 |
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| lcuk | a battery extender would work nicely in tthe mini nokia charge socket | 15:07 |
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| astro76 | you're trying to build something that attches to the back of the n810 ? | 15:10 |
| lcuk | just thinking out loud at the mo i am stuck here until i charge up - the batt pack would work - but if i was doin it i would want to also fix he micro usb thing at same time | 15:12 |
| * lcuk would be downstairs now but for the tether | 15:12 | |
| lcuk | maybe i can get a 30 metre nokia charrger | 15:13 |
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| Juhaz | four 2500mAh NiMH batteries would have bit over twice the capacity of BP-5L and voltage close enough that the charger socket could probably use them as input (4.8V) without any conversion | 15:14 |
| lcuk | ive seen the extenders and they say things like 3-5 charges - but if i leftg them to trickle whilsgt using i wonder just how long it would last | 15:17 |
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| * lcuk will pick one up nextg time he sees one | 15:18 | |
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| lcuk | bluetooth uses less power tghen wifi doesnt it | 15:18 |
| * lcuk goes readin up on bt networkin | 15:20 | |
| disq | yep | 15:26 |
| disq | bt will use less power, but then your cell battery will die far quicker (if you do a lot of data transfer, that is) | 15:27 |
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| disq | provided you don't have the chargers or spare battery for both devices, losing the ability to call/receive calls is worse | 15:28 |
| unique311 | http://www.ilovewavs.com/comedy/PrankPhone/Prank%20Phone%20Calls%20-%20C%20Escort%20Service%20-%20Arnold%20Schwarzenegger%20Impersonator.wav funnies for the morning..enjoy.. | 15:28 |
| lcuk | isq - i dont use phone with it i use wifi dongle on desktop at home and if i can get net access through bt dongle insteadc that will save power surely? | 15:30 |
| disq | ah, yeah it will | 15:30 |
| disq | but how about range? don't you go to the bathroom with your n800? i know i do :P | 15:30 |
| disq | i got one charger jack on my desk and one on my nightstand. works very well | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | range isnt a prob i think i can see the bt host from anywhere i have gtried and my old pda could do vnc from the bath wiith bt | 15:31 |
| lcuk | god myh fat thumbs | 15:32 |
| * lcuk apologises | 15:32 | |
| disq | :) | 15:32 |
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| lcuk | but are you saying if i configure it to use pan then i cannot use bt phone connection? or is that just a limit for the sametime | 15:34 |
| Cptnodegard | math, n800 style: http://captain-odegard.com/n800/math.jpg xD | 15:35 |
| disq | not sure about the pan bit. doesn't it require some commandline editing? if it does, then you can use bt phone connection anyways (after shutting down pan?) | 15:35 |
| lcuk | yer reading on itf a minute ago there is a big shell script to do it | 15:36 |
| lcuk | they were talking about linkin with a dummy profile so it will work with apps | 15:37 |
| disq | yeah, dummy profile is the way to go with external connections | 15:37 |
| disq | that's used for usb connectivity etc as well | 15:37 |
| lcuk | if its with a profile then it should just be selectable | 15:37 |
| lcuk | (it was also for the bt) | 15:38 |
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| lcuk | tweenies is killin me i suppose i bettter getg on with real life | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | b4 i go - who has orange box for pc - how did you find portal? | 15:43 |
| sven-tek | Hi, i just wanted to browse my n800 via bluetooth. i found http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog#d2176fba0b298bd49a09680b893f0022 obex server. But how do i start/install sdp server? can't find it | 15:43 |
| unique311 | lcuk, is that game any good? | 15:43 |
| unique311 | only game i have installed for the pc is cod4 | 15:44 |
| lcuk | amazing 1000000% recommend it | 15:44 |
| unique311 | and i hardly play it. | 15:44 |
| unique311 | might check it out. | 15:44 |
| lcuk | portal is mind gym | 15:44 |
| lcuk | its rreplayable and fun | 15:44 |
| lcuk | even my 5yr old likes it | 15:45 |
| lcuk | and i ddont mind cos its tamer than hl or other games | 15:45 |
| lcuk | (only mentioned it cos he just put it on) | 15:46 |
| alterego | Played portal for the first time last night :P | 15:46 |
| lcuk | how far through are you? and are you thinking with portals yet | 15:47 |
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| alterego | I completed it. | 15:47 |
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| alterego | I liked the bit at the end with the cake :P | 15:47 |
| * lcuk sees things in rl which need portals | 15:48 | |
| lcuk | only thing i havent done yhet is camerashy | 15:48 |
| lcuk | i keeep missin a couple | 15:48 |
| lcuk | portal jumpin is like ut low gravity or stuntcarracer jumping but with finess | 15:49 |
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| lcuk | cant wait now for ep3 and hopefully a mashup with hl | 15:50 |
| hahlo | what should i put in '/system/osso/connectivity/BT/preferred' ? | 15:50 |
| hahlo | phone's bt address? | 15:51 |
| lcuk | cyas all | 15:52 |
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| hahlo | why xml files? /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/BT/\%gconf.xml | 16:02 |
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| alterego | XML ftw | 16:17 |
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| * alterego just ordered his N810 :D | 16:20 | |
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| atlas95 | hello | 16:25 |
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| atlas95 | is it possible and how to move the /home/user/MyDocs folder on the external mmc | 16:26 |
| atlas95 | I must edit gconf settings? which? | 16:26 |
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| hahlo | where is this phonelink configuration file? | 16:34 |
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| skibur | Anybody know the font file's name used by default on the browser? | 16:35 |
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| locutu2 | Is it possible to install ubuntu mobile on the n800? | 16:38 |
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| suitch- | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-February/008480.html <-- is there an article in the maemo wiki about how to perform this? | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | suit, that looks interesting but very inpractical specially for small form factor | 17:01 |
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| lcuk | have you run vnc from you NIT to another machine yet? i wouldn't like to run all my apps in a single window | 17:02 |
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| suitch- | lcuk I've done the second setup with debian armel | 17:03 |
| suitch- | I may write an article about it if it isn't already there | 17:03 |
| suitch- | this post is somewhat vague | 17:03 |
| suitch- | if somebody really needs something that's not ported debian armel has 9000 packages repo | 17:04 |
| zoran | yes, some manual/howto would be fine | 17:05 |
| suitch- | things like e16 or fluxbox run pretty smoothly even on n770 | 17:07 |
| zoran | I have 770 | 17:07 |
| zoran | memory is the main problem, not app porting | 17:08 |
| zoran | but works in low profile, console mode | 17:08 |
| lcuk | suit, is there a specific app you need or is this academic | 17:10 |
| suitch- | I'm playing around | 17:10 |
| lcuk | just like everyone else | 17:11 |
| suitch- | it's taking up some 600 mb on the memory card | 17:11 |
| * lcuk pushes in the corners and see where works | 17:11 | |
| suitch- | i'm not sure if i'll keep it | 17:11 |
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| lcuk | 600mb is a lot for a test | 17:12 |
| zoran | even for encyclopedia | 17:12 |
| * lcuk hibernates again | 17:13 | |
| zoran | winter sleep? | 17:13 |
| suitch- | i've always had this inherent need to run audacious on a pocket device | 17:13 |
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| suitch- | my dreams came true | 17:13 |
| derf | You must be pretty young. audacious isn't that old. | 17:14 |
| suitch- | I've been sensing it before it came | 17:14 |
| suitch- | _^_ | 17:15 |
| suitch- | no really, it was about winamp at first | 17:17 |
| suitch- | so you don't know about any secret howto? because I haven't seen one | 17:19 |
| zoran | switch-, about what? | 17:20 |
| suitch- | setting up debian armel in the chroot and connecting to it with vncviewer | 17:20 |
| zoran | from 770/800? | 17:21 |
| suitch- | on | 17:21 |
| zoran | hm, the device is multimedia oriented, as I see it | 17:21 |
| zoran | iptables is installed, but no needed options in kernet to use conntrack | 17:22 |
| zoran | *kernel | 17:22 |
| zoran | so, any secutiry is in doubt | 17:22 |
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| suitch- | security of what? | 17:23 |
| zoran | teh device itself | 17:23 |
| zoran | firewall must be stateful | 17:24 |
| wumpus | by default there are no ports open, so why would you need a firewall :) | 17:24 |
| zoran | the ports are not open, when I use the device | 17:24 |
| zoran | traffic must go out and in | 17:24 |
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| gpd | has anyone got mythtv working on their tablet - i am close but no cigar with some errors on playback but EPG working (slowly) | 17:25 |
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| suitch- | bye | 17:31 |
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| locutu2 | Is’nt it possible to runn another window-manager than maemo? | 17:40 |
| alterego | You can run KDE if you want. | 17:41 |
| alterego | penguinbait handles that stuff. | 17:41 |
| locutu2 | Cool | 17:41 |
| locutu2 | Do you have ii link with description? | 17:42 |
| alterego | No, because I don't like KDE :P | 17:42 |
| zoran | and why would you have it on low mem device? | 17:43 |
| locutu2 | I want to have the option | 17:43 |
| zoran | :) | 17:43 |
| alterego | What option? | 17:43 |
| locutu2 | Maybe on sd-card | 17:43 |
| alterego | What for? | 17:44 |
| zoran | the screen could be small for that | 17:44 |
| locutu2 | I think kde would look very cool on my device | 17:44 |
| zoran | if you like it | 17:44 |
| alterego | By diverting use away from maemo you effectively divert attention that would inevitably improve our platform. | 17:45 |
| alterego | So if you don't like maemo. Buy something else is my advice :P | 17:46 |
| locutu2 | ;) | 17:46 |
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| locutu2 | I mean the taskbaar on the side reduces the comfort in bbrowsing with the good screen | 17:47 |
| alterego | That's what full screen mode is for. | 17:48 |
| alterego | Browsing out of full screen mode is silly :P | 17:48 |
| zoran | I think the same, but no help on this topic | 17:48 |
| locutu2 | Yea... | 17:48 |
| alterego | If they could hide that panel to the top of the screen. | 17:49 |
| alterego | That would be neat. | 17:49 |
| alterego | So you still get the status bar and app menu + close/minimize buttons. | 17:49 |
| zoran | the whole design is based on what we have now | 17:49 |
| alterego | Then again, the task navigator is useful. | 17:50 |
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| zoran | on laptop I sometimes use evilwm | 17:51 |
| locutu2 | Yes it is, but why on the side | 17:51 |
| zoran | so small and has just one command, to start up the shell | 17:51 |
| alterego | It's the only place it fits. | 17:51 |
| alterego | Think about the vkb. | 17:51 |
| alterego | And the toolbar | 17:51 |
| alterego | If the navigation bar was along the bottom. Then it'd seriously reduce the height estate for an application. | 17:52 |
| zoran | I coudl live with side bar, but upper one is not necessary | 17:52 |
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| locutu2 | Would be good if the bar pops up from the ttop | 17:53 |
| alterego | How? | 17:53 |
| alterego | The device is supposed to be able to be used with thumbs. | 17:53 |
| zoran | stypus? | 17:53 |
| zoran | *stylus | 17:53 |
| locutu2 | With one button | 17:54 |
| locutu2 | Only the weeb button | 17:55 |
| locutu2 | Web | 17:55 |
| alterego | The stylus is great for clicking little things. But having to take it out and put it back constantly is a bit of a pain. | 17:55 |
| alterego | Finger and thumb navigation is a great thing in my opinino, | 17:56 |
| alterego | ~opinion. | 17:56 |
| zoran | I use it as input method | 17:56 |
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| locutu2 | Yes, but it could be combined with popup menus | 17:57 |
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| locutu2 | By the way, Is it easy to write a new desktop sheme for os2008? | 17:57 |
| locutu2 | I want ann lcars-sheme | 17:58 |
| zoran | there is one for os 2006 | 17:59 |
| wumpus | yeah it should really have the tricorder theme by default :) | 17:59 |
| locutu2 | Yes ;) | 18:00 |
| alterego | Geeks :P | 18:00 |
| EY | Is there a tricorder theme!? | 18:01 |
| wumpus | and proud of it :) | 18:01 |
| alterego | What the hell does a tricorder look like? | 18:01 |
| alterego | You do realise they're fictional right? | 18:01 |
| wumpus | well it had the lcars there, which there used to be, I don't know if it still works on the newest version | 18:02 |
| locutu2 | I have seen one for old os | 18:02 |
| alterego | It should do, with a little tweaking maybe. But mostly the theming is pretty much the same across OS' | 18:02 |
| alterego | Or at least backward compatible. | 18:02 |
| locutu2 | I hope so | 18:03 |
| wumpus | yes, last time I checked they were still fictional | 18:04 |
| wumpus | though they looked a lot like the gadgets of nowadays :) | 18:04 |
| locutu2 | http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD | 18:04 |
| locutu2 | I want that ffor os2008 | 18:05 |
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| zoran | locutu2, pretty colorful | 18:07 |
| locutu2 | It says installation not possible | 18:07 |
| zoran | it says it works on 06/07 | 18:08 |
| locutu2 | Damn | 18:08 |
| zoran | you have 08? | 18:09 |
| locutu2 | Yes. Can i downgrade to 07? | 18:09 |
| zoran | no, you are damned to stay on 08 | 18:09 |
| locutu2 | Ohhhh :( | 18:09 |
| zoran | too much colors, for my taste | 18:10 |
| zoran | and take a look at red note | 18:10 |
| zoran | do NOT install on new os | 18:10 |
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| locutu2 | I tried it but i cant | 18:12 |
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| zoran | it says don't | 18:12 |
| locutu2 | But i can restore the os if something fails, or not | 18:14 |
| zoran | ah, you can | 18:14 |
| zoran | it is a meter of reflashing | 18:14 |
| zoran | *matter | 18:14 |
| locutu2 | Ok | 18:14 |
| zoran | all folks say 2008 is better | 18:14 |
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| locutu1 | I have updated my new device to os08, so i dont know the others | 18:17 |
| zoran | 800 has more memory than 770, so no big deal | 18:18 |
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| locutu1 | But i want lcars | 18:20 |
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| Cptnodegard | gmail on the os2008 mail app, not possible? | 18:34 |
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| zoran | cookies or what? | 18:35 |
| Cptnodegard | cookies? o_+ | 18:35 |
| zoran | I mean, do they ask to turn cookies on? | 18:36 |
| Cptnodegard | um no... it just doesnt connect | 18:36 |
| Cptnodegard | im not sure i configured it correctly | 18:36 |
| zoran | port 995 | 18:37 |
| sp3000 | you might want to play with modest beta | 18:37 |
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| Cptnodegard | nah if it doesnt work with the internal app (which i think it said on the forum) ill just use thhe online one, its not that important with mail | 18:38 |
| LoCusF | try modest | 18:38 |
| |tbb| | ive found a command maemo-get-passwd for what is that good for | 18:38 |
| sp3000 | that reminds me, I need to create mail infrastructure that'll give me a useful single low-traffic inbox somewhere | 18:39 |
| * sp3000 scratches head | 18:39 | |
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| zoran | gmailfs? | 18:40 |
| sp3000 | |tbb|: run it? | 18:40 |
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| L0cutus | what i have to do to periodically start a 'job' on my n800 ? (i haven't see cron on maemo...) | 18:46 |
| zoran | Cron.pm? | 18:46 |
| * zoran gone to feed dragons | 18:47 | |
| skibur | hello | 18:48 |
| skibur | I'm in KDE as we chat on my Tablet N800 - OS2008. | 18:51 |
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| |tbb| | sp3000: it prompts me to anpasswort setting dialog | 18:57 |
| sp3000 | |tbb|: right ...and what happens when you enter one twice? | 18:58 |
| |tbb| | ihavent done it | 18:59 |
| |tbb| | and wont if i dont know what it does | 18:59 |
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| sp3000 | fair enough | 19:02 |
| sp3000 | looks like a tool to ask for a password from a script | 19:02 |
| |tbb| | its more a set up password script | 19:03 |
| sp3000 | by the changelog that googling gives, the next version calls itself maemo-set-password and does something slightly different in addition as the name implies | 19:03 |
| sp3000 | maemo-set-passwd even | 19:03 |
| |tbb| | im searching for that maemo-gtk-im-switch | 19:04 |
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| Sho_ | Cord: No change for you either, I assume? | 19:20 |
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| * lcuk thinks about eating some maemo py | 19:26 | |
| * lcuk would settle for cocoa but isn't on a mac | 19:27 | |
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| d^_^B | . | 19:31 |
| d^_^B | hi guys | 19:31 |
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| d^_^B | please help | 19:32 |
| d^_^B | i have 1 question | 19:32 |
| d^_^B | is anyone there? | 19:32 |
| dragorn | here's a hint: actually asking the question tends to be the first step to getting anyone to care about helping you. | 19:33 |
| lcuk | also, offering punch and pie to the person who answers gets a better response ;) | 19:34 |
| d^_^B | ök | 19:35 |
| d^_^B | well | 19:35 |
| d^_^B | my problem is for n810 memory cards | 19:36 |
| d^_^B | please explain | 19:36 |
| d^_^B | Memory | 19:36 |
| d^_^B | DDR RAM 128MB | 19:36 |
| d^_^B | Flash 256MB | 19:36 |
| d^_^B | these are internal memories? yes? | 19:36 |
| lcuk | yes | 19:36 |
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| d^_^B | how many memory card is available for n810? | 19:37 |
| lcuk | 1 external slot | 19:37 |
| lcuk | i think the 256mb you mentioned isn't on its own tho | 19:37 |
| lcuk | there is 128mb actual normal memory | 19:37 |
| lcuk | then a 2gb internal flash memory card | 19:37 |
| lcuk | and a single slot on the front for a single individual one of a kind card | 19:37 |
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| d^_^B | please step by step | 19:38 |
| d^_^B | first | 19:38 |
| d^_^B | how many memory card is available for n810? | 19:38 |
| lcuk | 1, one | 19:38 |
| lcuk | 00000001 | 19:38 |
| Vulcanis | [12:38:01] <lcuk> and a single slot on the front for a single individual one of a kind card - Only minisdhc | 19:38 |
| d^_^B | what? | 19:38 |
| d^_^B | only one/? | 19:39 |
| lcuk | yes, only 1 | 19:39 |
| Cord | Sho_: lets see. | 19:39 |
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| d^_^B | well it has an internal 2 gm memory card or HDD? | 19:39 |
| Sho_ | Cord: *cues omnious music* ;) | 19:39 |
| lcuk | i know you ancient people with n800s have 2 slots, but i never seen one of those, i am used to devices with only 1 slot which my n810 has | 19:39 |
| d^_^B | Hard Drive? | 19:39 |
| lcuk | no hard drive | 19:40 |
| Cord | Sho_: nope. i think i'd have a sms now if codes started to work. | 19:40 |
| d^_^B | so only 2 gb internal = flash memory card yes? | 19:40 |
| lcuk | yes | 19:40 |
| Sho_ | Cord: Well, guess our next shot is Monday then | 19:40 |
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| Cord | Sho_: three collegues are waiting for it too. | 19:40 |
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| d^_^B | so please what are 256mb and 128mb? what are these? | 19:41 |
| lcuk | i only know about the 128mb of RAM. | 19:42 |
| Vulcanis | 128 MB of ram on the n800 and n810 | 19:42 |
| Vulcanis | 256 MB of internal memory on the n800 | 19:42 |
| Vulcanis | 2GB of internal memory on the n810 | 19:42 |
| astro76 | 256 MB internal on n800 and n810 | 19:42 |
| d^_^B | oh so there is 128mb of RAM and is it an memory card too? | 19:42 |
| Vulcanis | d^_^B: which one are you buying | 19:43 |
| astro76 | d^_^B, no, it's soldered on board ram | 19:43 |
| astro76 | the 2GB internal replaces the missing internal card slot | 19:43 |
| d^_^B | well i wanna buy new nokia n810 | 19:43 |
| Okko_ | d^_^B: ram memory is the "running memory" where programs are loaded for execution | 19:43 |
| Vulcanis | Random access memory memory | 19:43 |
| Cord | d^_^B: me too! | 19:43 |
| lcuk | RAM is not FLASH - the 128mb ram is lost when you reboot the device, its the same as RAM on your computer | 19:43 |
| d^_^B | ok and can it be in 8 gb? | 19:43 |
| d^_^B | Support for compatible miniSD and microSD memory cards (with extender). Supports cards up to 8GB. (SD cards over 2GB must be SDHC compatible.) | 19:44 |
| Vulcanis | there is an SD card slot, that can go up to 8gb | 19:44 |
| Vulcanis | yeah | 19:44 |
| Vulcanis | minisd* | 19:44 |
| d^_^B | 8 GB is available for n810? | 19:44 |
| lcuk | yes | 19:44 |
| lcuk | miniSDHC - ensure you get the HC version though else the device will not support it, might be best to get from nokia if you are unsure | 19:45 |
| d^_^B | oh i got an SD card and up for 8 gb ummm how much is it? | 19:45 |
| Vulcanis | you need MiniSD | 19:45 |
| Vulcanis | not just SD | 19:45 |
| Vulcanis | its a smaller card physically | 19:45 |
| astro76 | d^_^B, and really you should get microSD, there really isn't an 8gb miniSD and probably won't be | 19:45 |
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| d^_^B | lcuk i don't buy it yet | 19:46 |
| lcuk | http://www.engadget.com/2005/03/15/sd-minisd-and-microsd/ | 19:46 |
| lcuk | size comparison of formats | 19:46 |
| lcuk | n810 takes MiniSD | 19:46 |
| d^_^B | please tell me which version is possible 8 gb for n810? | 19:46 |
| d^_^B | and for buy | 19:47 |
| blast007 | d^_^B: http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n810_en_R1.html | 19:47 |
| blast007 | look at "Storage" | 19:47 |
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| d^_^B | blast007 yes i am seeing this right now but i want to be sure | 19:48 |
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| lcuk | im not sure of specifics because my n810 is virginal - i have not yet put anything into its slot | 19:48 |
| blast007 | heh | 19:49 |
| astro76 | d^_^B, you want microSD | 19:49 |
| dhdfoo | hmm - does the N810 come with a microSD-to-miniSD adapter the same way the N800 came with a miniSD-to-SD adapter? | 19:49 |
| d^_^B | infact i bought an n810 then how can i use and insert 8 gb memory card? has it any guide? for buy??/ | 19:49 |
| lcuk | when i go to buy a card i will take device with me and check right there - i know the size and format required but will not fork out money without confirming | 19:49 |
| Vulcanis | I think all microSD cards come with the adapters. | 19:49 |
| dhdfoo | cool, the adapters are cheap anyway | 19:50 |
| lcuk | i have a microsd card but it came with Micro->FullsizeSD (skipping the minisd) | 19:50 |
| Vulcanis | Ah | 19:50 |
| lcuk | mine wouldnt touch the sides | 19:50 |
| d^_^B | pleae guide me :( | 19:50 |
| Vulcanis | They should have an all-in-one one | 19:50 |
| chille | wtf? does the N810 only support 8GB memory cards? ;o | 19:50 |
| Vulcanis | Chille: It supports up to 8gb | 19:50 |
| astro76 | d^_^B, get a microSD that comes with a miniSD adapter | 19:50 |
| Vulcanis | micro or miniSD | 19:50 |
| chille | then it is crap... :-( | 19:51 |
| Vulcanis | mmhmm | 19:51 |
| Vulcanis | I think you can theoretically get up to 64gb now on the n800 | 19:51 |
| lcuk | it comes with 2gb onboard so its not all bad | 19:51 |
| chille | i want a N810 with 16GB, at least | 19:51 |
| blast007 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N810 <-- wikipedia says up to 32GB | 19:51 |
| * lcuk now feels inadequate | 19:51 | |
| chille | ahm thats better | 19:51 |
| Vulcanis | they can get up to 32gb | 19:52 |
| Vulcanis | there are no reasonably priced cards that are that huge | 19:52 |
| lcuk | its just a matter of drivers, it can take any miniSDHC i think | 19:52 |
| Cord | yes. wikipedia always and forever contains only the truth[tm] | 19:52 |
| chille | well, you get a 16GB card for about $100 | 19:52 |
| * lcuk edits wikipedia to tell of the terabytes available onboard | 19:53 | |
| d^_^B | oh it has a external 8 gb memory card yes? | 19:53 |
| lcuk | external card slot | 19:53 |
| lcuk | requires you to purchase your own | 19:53 |
| d^_^B | what? | 19:54 |
| Cord | . o O ( anyone remembers the times when a big computer to show off has 64MB RAM and a floppydisc drive? | 19:54 |
| dhdfoo | 64kb you mean :) | 19:55 |
| Cord | ack. | 19:55 |
| lcuk | 64mb :O thats huge, i remember when i put a 16kb expansion in | 19:55 |
| Cord | has to deal with TBytes and PBytes these days, and is confused... | 19:55 |
| lcuk | i have more cache in my processors nowadays | 19:56 |
| * lcuk fondly remembers optimising fractal code to fit inside the 256byte cache on the 68020 | 19:57 | |
| dhdfoo | the fact that you can get >4GB on a MicroSD card kind of blows my mind | 19:58 |
| dhdfoo | and put it in your cellphone | 19:58 |
| lcuk | 4gb is a lot of contacts | 19:58 |
| lcuk | you would get a sore thumb scrolling through them all | 19:58 |
| dhdfoo | mine is full of mp3s :) | 19:58 |
| d^_^B | 16GB card for about $100 wow really?/ | 19:58 |
| dhdfoo | it's an N series | 19:59 |
| lcuk | then your a git, you have working powervr on it then i assume | 19:59 |
| lcuk | full 3d | 19:59 |
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| * lcuk drools | 19:59 | |
| dhdfoo | it's a lowly N75 | 19:59 |
| dhdfoo | I haven't tried the 3d stuff though I know it exists | 19:59 |
| dhdfoo | in the US you can get them for $0 with a 2 year contract which is a pretty incredible deal for a device that runs Python | 20:00 |
| d^_^B | 8 Gb memory card is available on nokia stores for n810? what about 16 32?? | 20:00 |
| mbuf | is there an iCalendar application for Maemo? | 20:00 |
| Cord | gpe-calendar | 20:00 |
| mbuf | ok | 20:01 |
| Cord | (i hope that i remember that correctly | 20:01 |
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| misafir_ | hi i create turkish keyboard layout | 20:06 |
| misafir_ | i wan to distburated with os2008 | 20:06 |
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| misafir_ | what can i do ? | 20:06 |
| milhouse | submit a patch to bugzilla? | 20:06 |
| astro76 | misafir_, https://bugs.maemo.org/ | 20:07 |
| misafir_ | hım ok. | 20:07 |
| misafir_ | if i want to create turkish language support how can i do ? | 20:07 |
| d^_^B | misafir_ | 20:07 |
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| d^_^B | are u turkish? | 20:08 |
| misafir_ | yes | 20:08 |
| b0unc3 | guys, where I can find libhildonmime0-1.10.1 ? | 20:08 |
| d^_^B | is there available n810 there? | 20:08 |
| misafir_ | no n800 sell in turkey, but i buy n800 in usa | 20:09 |
| d^_^B | how much is n800 there? | 20:09 |
| astro76 | d^_^B, http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-PC/dp/B000MK4GGM/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1199556666&sr=8-1 | 20:11 |
| misafir_ | d^_^B: i dont know but this is website : http://www.nokia.com.tr/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_121696 | 20:12 |
| d^_^B | well thank u guys | 20:12 |
| misafir_ | i want to create turkish language support how can i do ? | 20:13 |
| d^_^B | i want to create farsi too :D | 20:13 |
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| misafir_ | :D | 20:14 |
| lcuk | misa, how far do you want to go with translation | 20:15 |
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| jga23 | anybody else not able to update libillumination0? | 20:22 |
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| lcuk_damn | are all the pepole over there working hard developing for their nokias or are they just silent | 20:28 |
| lcuk_damn | people^ | 20:28 |
| locutu2 | We are so busy developing that we cant answeer | 20:29 |
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| locutu2 | ;) | 20:30 |
| lcuk_damn | lol | 20:31 |
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| lcuk_damn | ok, ill get the ball rolling, i am used to working with visual studio on windows. i think i know the process for coding for maemo but let me try an example and see if its right | 20:32 |
| lcuk_damn | suppose i like a program (say fbreader) but i want to try and modify it | 20:33 |
| lcuk_damn | i get the source code for it | 20:33 |
| lcuk_damn | fire up my vmware session and open it in the editor, make the changes and compile for arm | 20:33 |
| lcuk_damn | (this is where i get sticky) | 20:34 |
| lcuk_damn | can i just copy and test then or do i need to package it | 20:34 |
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| locutu2 | Soryy, cant help you. I have my device for one week now | 20:35 |
| lcuk_damn | when working on my pda (.net compact) it just ran from the windows IDE so i could test on the device | 20:35 |
| penguinbait | any news on USA discount codes yet? | 20:35 |
| lcuk_damn | i only got mine in december as well | 20:36 |
| dragorn | look at the scratchbox wiki pages on maemo.org | 20:36 |
| dragorn | theres tutorials there about how to run the test environment | 20:36 |
| FISmith | I am trying to talk using RFCOMM to a device using PyBluez. Is there a way I can control the pairing process directly from my Python script, completely bypassing the maemo "Pair with device" dialog? | 20:36 |
| lcuk_damn | i want to run on the device not test env | 20:36 |
| dragorn | FISmith: drive the bluez libs directly. you'll need to figure out what the python api is. It ought to work with directly driven connections. | 20:37 |
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| FISmith | dragorn: do you mean bypass PyBluez? What basic mechanism would I use to access the bluez libs directly from Python? | 20:49 |
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| lardman | dhdfoo: you about do discuss DSP things? | 20:51 |
| lardman | or even "to discuss" | 20:51 |
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| emma` | doc|home, Can you help me get linux on my tablet? | 20:58 |
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| tank-man | which tablet? | 20:59 |
| emma` | Um, hold on | 21:00 |
| penguinbait | is it a paper tablet, ot stone? | 21:02 |
| penguinbait | ot=or | 21:02 |
| lardman | paper tablet? | 21:03 |
| lardman | paracetamol perhaps, but not paper | 21:03 |
| sk | hey | 21:03 |
| sk | im about to attempt my second round of installing scratchbox et all | 21:04 |
| sk | can anyone point me to the best tutorial? | 21:04 |
| sk | I've seen about 30 on google that I've drew from on my last attempt | 21:04 |
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| sk | but it built a somewhat imcomplete scratchbox, apt-get wasn't working, couldn't compile to AMR only PC, xeyphr would not run for ARM, etc. | 21:05 |
| sk | My development target is the n770 | 21:05 |
| sk | I'm on debian (vm) | 21:05 |
| sk | The last attempt is documented here: http://www.h0va.com/index.php/Sk_dev_log | 21:05 |
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| sikor_sxe | hello | 21:07 |
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| sikor_sxe | my app won't display its icon... are there any requirements about the size of the icon? | 21:07 |
| lardman | sk: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_2_2_tutorial.html#settingup ?? | 21:08 |
| DRoBeR | Who can tell me how to install mplayer on OS2008 using an N800? :S | 21:08 |
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| lardman | DRoBeR: Application manager.... | 21:09 |
| sk | lardman: I'm pulling it up now ... | 21:09 |
| DRoBeR | I can't see it on the list :S May I have wrong repositories? | 21:10 |
| lardman | it should be in extras, you may need to enable that one | 21:10 |
| sk | lardman: alright, I think I took bits and pieces from it, but didn't follow 100% . I was using another tutorial or 5 | 21:11 |
| sk | heh | 21:11 |
| lardman | otherwise there ought to be a link to it from the download page linked to from maemo.org | 21:11 |
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| lardman | DRoBeR: and if the worst comes to the worst, head over to the garage page | 21:11 |
| DRoBeR | ouch, not it appears on my list! :S | 21:12 |
| DRoBeR | now* | 21:12 |
| DRoBeR | Cool... I am an idiot. Thanks for your time, lardman . ^_^U | 21:12 |
| lardman | np | 21:13 |
| b0unc3 | is there any way to see if I have actived red pill mode ? | 21:13 |
| DRoBeR | What about video "Et" audio recording? :) | 21:14 |
| lcuk_damn | bounc, i think you have more options in the dialog, but the simplest is just to trigger the selection again (matrix thingy) | 21:14 |
| DRoBeR | b0unc3, "sysctl dev.pill.color" | 21:14 |
| lcuk_damn | ~sh: sysctl: not found | 21:16 |
| b0unc3 | sysctl: error: 'dev.pill.color' is an unknown key | 21:16 |
| b0unc3 | I'm trying to install rtcomm v2.. but it need libhildonmime0-1.10.1... where I can find this lib? | 21:26 |
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| darx | does the n800 usb work in usb host mode? | 21:40 |
| lardman | b0unc3: make sure you've flashed the latest image | 21:42 |
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| lardman | darx: otg, yes | 21:42 |
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| darx | lardman: how can i enable it? | 21:43 |
| lardman | no idea, try browsing ITT | 21:43 |
| lcuk_damn | from what i read just get a cable and plug in - according to docs usb OTG should just work with standard usb devices (as long as they don't use shitloads of power) | 21:44 |
| darx | lcuk_damn: i just found this http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/n800usbhost is this basically locking otg to the respective modes or is it pure host mode? | 21:45 |
| FISmit1 | Several hits ... http://www.google.com/search?q=n800+host+mode | 21:45 |
| lardman | or search itt | 21:46 |
| lardman | ~itt | 21:46 |
| lardman | never a bot around when you need one! | 21:46 |
| darx | what do you guys think about this procedure? http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/n800usbhost | 21:47 |
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| darx | for any one in the UK, play.com is selling the n800 for £129. | 21:51 |
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| darx | a bargain imho | 21:51 |
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| lcuk_damn | cifs is the component which gives network shares isnt it | 21:59 |
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| Fenix-Dark | hi | 22:17 |
| Fenix-Dark | i'm trying to get my apple bluetooth keyboard working with my n800 on os2008, but i cant seem to get it to pair. when i select the keyboard to pair (from the n800) and hit OK after it picks a passcode, it automatically fails, without any time to type the passcode on the keyboard | 22:18 |
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| lcuk_damn | wow | 22:30 |
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| lcuk_damn | ive had a particular mail account now for 8 years | 22:31 |
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| lcuk_damn | since the 18th december i signed up for 3 things - qt evaluation program, fbreader and vmware and NOW i am getting spam | 22:32 |
| lcuk_damn | never had anything on this account before | 22:32 |
| lcuk_damn | i are shocked | 22:32 |
| Fenix-Dark | its that damn fbreader | 22:33 |
| Cord | lcuk_damn: want some of mine 1000+/day? | 22:33 |
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| lcuk_damn | cord, my other accounts get spam, but ive never seen anything with this one | 22:33 |
| sikor_sxe | hello, anyone knows what i have to do to make my app show it's icon? | 22:33 |
| sikor_sxe | an appname.png is installed into /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/hildon/ | 22:34 |
| sikor_sxe | but it shows only the default icon :( | 22:34 |
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| kulve | /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 22:47 |
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| sikor_sxe | kulve: the docs are wrong then | 22:55 |
| sikor_sxe | "If you your application is deploying icons to /usr/share/icons/hicolor then you should make sure to run the | 22:56 |
| sikor_sxe | gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 22:56 |
| sikor_sxe | command in the postinst script, otherwise your icons might not show up until the device is restarted!" | 22:56 |
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| sk | im not to hot at debian package installation ... | 22:56 |
| sk | can someone give me hand w/this .. | 22:56 |
| sk | Download the following Scratchbox files from http://www.scratchbox.org/scratchbox-apophis/. Alternatively, install the corresponging debian binary packages. | 22:56 |
| sk | I added the line to my sources.list | 22:57 |
| kulve | sikor_sxe: well, I'm not sure if the -f is needed. I just cut'n'pasted that from kilikali and there the icon stuff works | 22:57 |
| sikor_sxe | kulve: the -f switch worked however :) | 22:57 |
| kulve | sikor_sxe: good :) | 22:57 |
| sk | so how do I apt-get scrathbox-core-1.0.7? | 22:57 |
| sk | et all | 22:57 |
| kulve | sikor_sxe: you can (or should) make a bug about that.. | 22:57 |
| sikor_sxe | yeah | 22:57 |
| kulve | sk: does "apt-get install scratchbox" install the latest packages? | 22:58 |
| sk | I haven't tried it .. | 22:58 |
| kulve | sk: you might also want to try the maemo installer scripts. They install the SB from tarballs and create the SB targets | 22:58 |
| sk | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_2_2_tutorial.html#settingup <- what I'm following | 22:58 |
| kulve | that's how I installed my SB | 22:58 |
| kulve | sk: are you installing SB for 2008 (chinook)? | 22:59 |
| sk | no, my target is n770 | 22:59 |
| kulve | hm.. | 22:59 |
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| sk | this is my second attempt at it | 22:59 |
| kulve | well, the latest SB is recommeded for 770 too, iirc. I'm just not sure if the toolchain is the same for 2006 and for 2008 | 23:00 |
| sk | word | 23:00 |
| sk | yeah, I dont know. | 23:00 |
| sk | should I attempt to apt-get install scratchbox? | 23:00 |
| kulve | go ahead | 23:01 |
| kulve | I'm not sure if the meta package like that exists | 23:01 |
| sk | says it couldn't find the package | 23:01 |
| kulve | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt | 23:02 |
| kulve | 2.2 Installing Scratchbox Apophis manually | 23:02 |
| kulve | you can follow that to install the SB. Just select the toolchains according to the gregale docs | 23:02 |
| sk | ok | 23:02 |
| kulve | creating the targets is pretty much the same | 23:02 |
| kulve | and now I'm off again | 23:03 |
| sk | thanks man,I'll let you know | 23:03 |
| sk | how it turns out | 23:03 |
| sk | heh | 23:03 |
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| Cptnodegard | has anyone tried connecting multiple USB devices on a n810/800 in host mode? with a hub of course | 23:14 |
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| elb | I am under the impression that the n8x0 devices only work with USB on-the-go devices | 23:16 |
| Cptnodegard | works with keyboard and flash drive | 23:18 |
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| Cptnodegard | my Q is wheter or not it works with hubs, for example both a flash drive and keyboard | 23:18 |
| elb | are you sure those devices are not USB OTG compatible? | 23:19 |
| Cptnodegard | they prob are, i dunno, thats still not my question | 23:19 |
| elb | (note that USB OTG does *not* support hubs) | 23:19 |
| elb | (perhaps that was not clear) | 23:19 |
| Cptnodegard | ah | 23:19 |
| Cptnodegard | nah it wasnt | 23:20 |
| Cptnodegard | i know that some guy is using a hub to get more power, just dont know if he has connected more than one thing | 23:20 |
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| Cptnodegard | hubs work | 23:24 |
| Cptnodegard | according to some ITT guy | 23:24 |
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| crevetor_ | hi everybody | 23:30 |
| crevetor_ | and good year | 23:30 |
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| crevetor | or happy new year | 23:30 |
| crevetor | anyways...I've got a question : how do you enable networking on the maemo dev environnement | 23:31 |
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| crevetor | when I do af-sb-init.sh start | 23:31 |
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| sikor_sxe | uhm | 23:31 |
| crevetor | and then run an application that uses the network it says it can't use networking... | 23:31 |
| sikor_sxe | how do i reset my n800/os2008? or turn it off | 23:31 |
| sikor_sxe | i have a zombie program-manager | 23:32 |
| crevetor | reset or turn it off ? | 23:32 |
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| sikor_sxe | if it's not possible to reset it | 23:32 |
| zs_ | remove battery | 23:32 |
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| sikor_sxe | :O | 23:32 |
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| crevetor | hold the power button for 4seconds | 23:32 |
| sikor_sxe | WAHHH | 23:33 |
| sikor_sxe | it won't start again! | 23:33 |
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| sikor_sxe | holy moley | 23:34 |
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| zs_ | remove the battery and try again :P | 23:35 |
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| sikor_sxe | uhm | 23:37 |
| sikor_sxe | how? | 23:37 |
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| sikor_sxe | PHEEEW | 23:39 |
| sikor_sxe | went on again :) | 23:39 |
| sikor_sxe | i guess that's a bug | 23:40 |
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| ustunozgur | hi how does one get a list of installable apps to use with apt-get? | 23:47 |
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| ustunozgur | the list in the "Application Manager" | 23:47 |
| pupnik_ | apt-cache search $string | 23:48 |
| pupnik_ | apt-cache search "" | 23:48 |
| ustunozgur | nice thanks. does it output all or just not installed ones? | 23:50 |
| ustunozgur | all I guess | 23:50 |
| pupnik_ | yup | 23:50 |
| pupnik_ | i never realized "" worked until just now :) | 23:50 |
| pupnik_ | so thanks for asking :) | 23:50 |
| ustunozgur | I didnt now that either. I knew apt-cache search but strange. did you just guess that? :) nice | 23:51 |
| pupnik_ | yeah shot in the dark | 23:51 |
| ustunozgur | is staying in red pill mode dangerous if you know what you are doing? | 23:52 |
| pupnik_ | afaik it's just like being root from the app manager | 23:53 |
| ustunozgur | ok thanks. | 23:54 |
| pupnik_ | do you have a keyboard? | 23:54 |
| lardman | night all | 23:54 |
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| shackan | sikor_sxe: with the off button? | 23:56 |
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| sikor_sxe | shackan: this did not shutdown the n800 | 23:57 |
| sikor_sxe | it went into some kind of suspend mode | 23:57 |
| shackan | not even holding it down? | 23:57 |
| shackan | mmm | 23:57 |
| sikor_sxe | nope | 23:57 |
| sikor_sxe | but i remeber seeing the n800 boot a few times | 23:58 |
| sikor_sxe | remember | 23:58 |
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