IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2008-01-05

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scibotlcuk, Yeah damn straight, would've been fun to get blender cranking frames.00:03
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lcuki wonder just how much code would be needed to bootstrap it00:04
* lcuk has seen this conversation before00:04
lcukget the core working in the kernel00:04
scibotHeh, oh and FYI blender worked on the 770 apparently.00:05
lcukwhat nokia gives with one hand they taketh away with the other00:05
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scibotYeah, if if if, we're waiting on someone pulling off some miracle.00:05
lcukit wont be a miracle, it just needs the right approach00:05
Aniruddha_N800is there a way to retrive a root passwprd?00:06
lcukthe code exists and its out there - binary or not00:06
scibotAs far as I'm concerned, I'll be praising the ground they walk on.00:06
lcuki am already priming my ass kissing lips to prepare for the day00:06
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lcuki am gonna see if i can con my boss into getting a Ti test rig00:08
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qoshey guys ...00:10
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dhdfoois the best solution for installing the Maemo SDK on x86-64 to first install 32-bit Debian in a chroot?00:19
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scibotdhdfoo, Or a virtual machine.00:20
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scibotWhich is safer, I screwed up my debian installation pretty badly due to my own stupidity on day.00:21
lcukagree with that, i got a vmware image00:21
scibotdhdfoo, I also got it working without the chroot, but I recommend going the vm route.00:21
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dhdfooyeah I had it set up with dchroot and kept running into annoying scratchbox problems and eventually just deleted the stupid thing00:25
dhdfoothings were not getting mounted, my sbox group wasn't showing up, etc00:26
dhdfooI will try the VM, thanks!00:26
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scibotdhdfoo, I took the installation script and did some editing, added a couple of packages and bam, working setup.00:33
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lardmansooo many new threads on itt....00:41
lardmannew posts even00:42
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Vulcanisits christmas00:45
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Vulcanislots of people got tablets00:45
Vulcaniswhat do you expect00:45
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lardmananyone know what laces are in tremor?00:57
derfLacing values describe how pages are partitioned into packets.00:59
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lardmanin the same way that references are used to access buffers?01:00
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derfI mean, in the bitstream.01:00
derfThey are the physical encoding of the packet lengths.01:01
lardmanokay, makes a bit of sense now01:01
lardmanI see a lace ptr01:01
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besturlDo you want to see video and picture of nude celebrities with a forum 100% free !!! just click there =>
shackanbesturl go fuck yourself, please01:03
lardmanI've missed converting a pointer somewhere - I had working checksums, but the oy->fifo_fill was wrong, I've fixed the oy->fifo_fill and checksums are knackered01:03
lardmanor a set of pointers01:03
lardmanI appear to have repeated data in my ogg_references01:04
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lcukis there an irc client for 810 yet, or are ppl just using web?01:05
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shackanlcuk: pidgin01:05
lcukthought that was just im... will give it a look tho. ta01:06
shackan(and telepathy-idle, if you want the thrill of your device crashing as soon as you enter a channel with more than 60 members)01:06
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lcuk_idiotthanks :)01:07
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* lcuk_idiot will middle click instead01:09
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Cptnodegardjust played a untouched downloaded episode of ST TOS on my n800, directly off a flash pen in usb host mode01:12
bill2or3host mode, you say?01:13
bill2or3do tell.01:13
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Cptnodegardhome made auto-host cable01:13
Cptnodegardhang on for pic01:13
* bill2or3 holds on.01:13
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Cptnodegardalso got a full size USB keyboard to work01:14
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Cptnodegard"got to work" as in plugged in, worked01:15
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lcukcpt :) nice01:16
Cptnodegardthat video was divx 3, 846kbps, 512x38401:16
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bill2or3is that cable injecting power, or is it just a physical adapter from mini-a to B?01:17
Robot101what do you need to do in software to make it do host mode? just set the flag with the flasher?01:17
Cptnodegardno power. n800 outputs 200mah,enough for small stuff01:17
Cptnodegardits a mini-a to female a, with pin 4 and 5 on the mini a connected01:18
lcukpt, how does it effect battery consumption01:18
Cptnodegardno idea...01:18
bill2or3I actually have an adapter for that, I'll have to give it a try.01:18
Cptnodegarddoesnt work01:19
lcuklol @ 5min uptimes ;)01:19
Cptnodegardthere is only one known adapter that works out of the box01:19
lcuk"there can be only one"01:19
Cptnodegardalternately you need root access to enable host mode manually01:19
bill2or3is there docs on that anywhere?01:19
Cptnodegardconnecting pin 4 and 5 on mini a enables auto switch01:19
Cptnodegardyes, hang on01:20
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scibotStill wishing Maemo had a torrent tracker.01:21
bill2or3are there drivers for anything besides keyboard and flashdrives?01:21
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* bill2or3 reads wiki page instead.01:22
Cptnodegardscibot: torrent client you mean?01:22
scibotCptnodegard, No tracker.01:22
Cptnodegardbill2or3: i think a guy got a mouse to work... no sure. HDD works if they have their own power source01:22
scibotI wouldn't mention if it wasn't for the transmission port.01:22
scibotHave videos and other questionable content for direct download on the maemo devices themselves.01:23
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Cptnodegardanother usb host pic:
* lcuk bids you lot good night :)01:25
* lcuk might come back again01:25
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scibotCptnodegard, The gp2x folks had a nice resource for all the rom packs, old games etc.
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bill2or3I plugged in a usb thumbdrive, and it worked.01:32
scibotI mean, if anything it'd probably help tons for the major firmware and software releases.01:36
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lardmanhmm, I've found my tremor problem, it looks like the ogg_sync_state counters work in 16bit byte mode, while everything else uses 8bit byte mode01:41
lardmansorry for the random comment :)01:43
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luronlouk check out mtpaint01:45
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luroni always enjoy hearing of your progress lardman01:46
scibotAn example of a paint program done right is Colors! for the S01:47
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lardmanluron: makes me feel less mad if I'm not just talking to myself ;)01:48
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scibotThat's the software site.01:49
luronwhy port a DS app when there's a good lightweight GTK-based app01:49
scibotNot suggesting we port it.01:49
scibotEspecially without source code.01:49
scibotI said it was an example of a paint program that works really well on a portable platform.01:50
bill2or3anyone know what the snapshot.ko modules is for?01:50
skiburI was a part of the DSLinux project for DS Lite01:50
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msh_the gallery pictures are pretty impressive01:50
skibur:)  well still am01:50
scibot - I like this one.01:51
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scibotmsh_, Main thing is most of the tools are mapped to hardware buttons, making it easy to access and quick.01:54
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msh_yeah. though with even a single button you could use it to toggle an onscreen menu type thing I guess02:00
msh_(less good, but usable)02:00
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scibotAll I need is a colour wheel, brush size and colour picker accessible quick and easy.02:03
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scibotPast that, I don't even need opacity options or layers, (although either would be nice)02:05
lardmandhdfoo: ping02:09
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scibotOpacity allows for tinting colours, which is a neat technique when you need to add some variety.02:12
lardmandhdfoo: I got your email; I should be online tomorrow, to have a chat about it. Not sure about your 20ms requirement as I've never done any timings for the transfers, kulve might be the chap to ask about that02:12
lardmannight all02:14
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luronscibot: imo the key component is brush speed on a tablet.  if you can't draw smooth curves forget it02:31
luronright after that comes a fast and useful airbrush mode02:31
luronthis requires much more cpu02:31
luronit needs to be done right02:33
luronthe recording of brush strokes has to be independent of display rate02:33
luronso if you pick a large fuzzy brush and draw a stroke, it doesn't try to composite and draw every frame02:34
luronbefore the next frame02:34
luronthat gives you a series of alpha blended circles02:34
luronit's not trivial to implement well!02:34
dhdfoolardman|gone: cool02:35
msh_does gimp have any good tablet code do you know?02:35
lurongimp has been built for the tablets, didn't work on my 770 though02:35
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msh_I mean like drawing tablets02:37
luronlike wacom?  works fine here02:39
msh_hm. so something like that could potentially be ported02:39
luronbeen there, done that02:40
nomismsh_: port the XInput-extension to the tablet.02:40
luronwhat on earth for?02:42
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nomisluron: for pressure support in Gimp.02:52
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unique311<luron> why port a DS app when there's a good lightweight GTK-based app03:01
unique311and this apps is?03:01
unique311i would really like a copy, if you have it.03:02
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luronfrom what i've seen i still think mtpaint is a good program for the tablet03:06
unique311you do.03:07
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unique311it is, but i've yet to see the hildonize version of it.03:08
unique311at least a freaking beta.03:08
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msh_mtpaint looks like ms paintbrush (ie no opacity)?03:12
unique311luron, fullscreen would put me in my place.  and i would be very happy.03:13
unique311its not.03:13
unique311msh_, much better than paintbrush.03:13
msh_and no AA?03:15
unique311msh_, check 3.503:16
unique311mid page03:16
msh_ok yeah03:16
msh_though pretty rough edges03:17
unique311i built it a while back with no optimization.03:17
luronI've emailed the developer and he has translucent brushes in his development version but not in the release version03:17
unique311drew some descent stuff with it.03:17
luronso that opacity brush / alpha blended brush is the main thing it needs, then the hildonization of course03:18
unique311so anyone knows whose trying to port  it on is?03:18
luronno info - he didn't respond to my mail either03:18
unique311  thats me struggle with the tiny screen size.03:22
unique311i think if he just added fullscreen support, i would be happy.03:22
luronit's not that hard03:25
unique311its not, but its also not that easy.03:26
unique311which makes it03:26
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unique311for being done on the DS, this is pretty sick.
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unique311luron are you running os2008?03:42
luronnoo 200603:43
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luronam applying for credit card to purchase a n81003:44
luroncause my last one ended 200703:44
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|tbb|hmmh kismet runs and gather packets about over 20minutes it seems something changed to os2008 or on the chip of n81003:48
rm_youlcuk: there is an xchat released for n810 :)03:48
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lcukwicked :D03:52
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unique311luron, was wondering how you were running mtpaint.03:57
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unique311seems people are having issues installing it on os2008.03:58
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scibotluron, Airbrush is completely overrated04:01
scibotluron, I work entirely with a hard edged brush and with opacity control it's easy to control soft edges by working lightly.04:02
scibotluron, Even then there's the direct painting method where you just put down the exact colours you need and not rely on blending, I know a few who pull that off really well.04:03
scibotThat doesn't need opacity even.04:03
luroni learned to sketch with pencil, so that's basically what i want04:04
luroncan't re-train04:04
scibotI spend 90% of my time with a pencil, but I pick up new methods as I need them.04:05
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luroni wonder if any paint package has a good 'software pencil' emulation04:09
scibotluron, It really depends, my mechanical pencil feels way different to a charcoal pencil.04:10
scibotluron, The major applications like Photoshop and Painter do enable you with enough brush options to emulate the feel.04:10
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luronwell i mostly work now with airbrush and reverse-pencil04:13
luronfirst i sketch outlines04:13
luronand base colors04:13
luronthen i 'paint with light'04:13
luronbut you should see unique311's stuff, he's pretty good04:14
scibotI tend to jump into the silohuette right away and build any colours as I go along, mainly colour picking the colours that work and using that to sculpt and make it more uniform.04:15
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unique311i have stuff on conceptart.org04:15
scibotI'm a moderator there.04:15
unique311done via photoshop with a wacom table.04:15
unique311you also on the irc channel.04:16
scibotI had to drop the boy since I'm not going to stay one for long. =/04:16
scibotNah, right now I'm taking a break from CA, focusing more on just cranking out art and animation.04:16
unique311big fan of digital now, ever since buying my wacom04:16
scibotAll the studying was distracting me from doing solid illustrations and such.04:16
unique311CA actually motivated me to drawing more than i was suppose to.04:17
scibotI welcome the opportunity to get away from the computer, so pencil and acrylic paints keep me busy, although I have an easier time digitally.04:17
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scibotSame, CA got me into art in the first place.04:18
unique311the difference between alot of the digital artist and me i think.04:18
scibotBut at this stage I do need the break.04:18
unique311you give some digital artist a pen a pad, and they are lost.04:18
unique311give them a wacom, and they can draw some really nice stuff.04:19
scibotI know where this is going but most competent digital artists work in traditional too.04:19
scibotIt's hard to carry a desktop and wacom where ever you go, as opposed to a pencil and a pad.04:19
unique311thats where a tablet comes into play.04:20
unique311umpc's, ITs.04:20
scibotGot a sketchbook on CA?04:21
unique311pretty new.04:21
unique311still trying to get thru one page..lol04:21
scibotHeh, my old one reached near thousands of images on the first page.04:21
scibotBecome I was posting hundreds in each batch04:21
scibotIt was a bandwidth raper for no apparent reason.04:22
unique311i was thinking about posting my old stuff.04:23
scibotKeep up the good work.04:23
scibotOh and don't bother with old stuff in a sketchbook.04:23
scibotThe point of the sketchbook is to keep people up to date with your current progress.04:23
unique311scibot, your sketchbook still alive?04:26
scibotNope long gone and dead.04:27
scibotI never got into maintaining any sort of sketchbook or gallery online, too much work.04:27
unique311lately i've been working on t'shirt designs.  so taking a break from CA.04:28
unique311hopefully i can have 1 design printed by feb04:28
unique311and make some money.04:28
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luroni want to shackle all these concept art people into a basement and make them do work for open source games04:29
scibotSpeaking of which I'm working on art and animation for os games at the moment.04:30
luroncan you tell us which?04:30
scibotJust a side-scrolling shooter as an intro project, only got started recently.04:31
scibotThen looking at doing the cutscenes for Warzone 210004:31
lurona *lot* of that conceptart stuff makes me think of RPGs04:32
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scibotI'm not touching RPG's out of principle at least for now.04:32
scibotI don't find them fun at all.04:32
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rm_youdo you do 3d modeling or just 2d stuff? :P04:37
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scibotI usually 2d together with 3d to crank out sprites.04:38
scibotuse 2d*04:38
scibot*note* I'm 36 hours sleep deprived so my sentence structure has gone out the window.04:39
lcukits ok scibot, your not seeing double yet.04:39
lcukits ok scibot, your not seeing double yet.04:39
luronNiklas Jansson sometimes shows up on freenode as ArneArting04:40
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luronhe's really versatile04:40
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scibotYep, I've sort of adopted him as an idol at the moment, something to aspire to and mimic.04:41
lcukthe only real freehand computer drawings i did was on deluxepaint on the amiga!04:41
lcuklost interest when they made it all too complicated04:42
luron'pencil scribbles'... sheesh04:42
scibotluron, He's one of those guys who applies colours directly really well.04:42
scibotNone of the building and airbrushing bullshit. :P04:43
luronyeah i read some of his tutorials and i have a whole directory of stuff glomed04:43
luronbut you can see from his 'scribbles'04:43
luronin his brain he can see exactly what he wants to draw04:43
luronhe's not "putting it together on the paper"04:43
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scibotluron, Yep, actually that's the one thing I'm trying to build at the moment.04:44
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scibotluron, Focusing on cartooning and life studies to help make the process a little less brutal04:45
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lcuk2hello world (from 810)05:08
DeLe0nhaha lcuk2: pidgin?05:09
lcuk2nahh still ircatwork05:09
lcuk2i got xchat beta as well but i wanted to start with what i kinda know05:10
GeneralAntillesxchat is on Chinook05:10
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lcuk2oooh i finally fell out05:10
lcuk2strange how i closed the window about a month ago05:11
GeneralAntilles /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password>05:11
Bog[nl]i just saw your post about it generalaantilles.  thanks, it works great :)05:11
lcuk2sometimes being a ghosty is good05:12
* lcuk2 scares ppl05:12
* scibot splurges on yet another deceptively simple book on cartooning.05:12
GeneralAntillesIf anybody is hurting from the stupid brightness levels in OS2008, check out fanoush's kernel05:12
GeneralAntillesworks great05:12
GeneralAntillesJust need to talk somebody into writing us a custom statusbar applet.05:13
lcuk2ant is he the guy that let rip about it actually dimming more AFTER setting it to min then waiting05:13
GeneralAntillesWell, sorta05:14
GeneralAntillesfanoush is Mr. Superbadass kernel hacker05:14
GeneralAntillesBut, yes, there are about 30 more lower brightness steps down from the lowest GUI setting in OS200805:14
GeneralAntilleslevel 1-4 are perfect for reading in the dark05:15
* lcuk2 reads in the dark05:15
GeneralAntillesOnly problem is that you have to use a script to change it05:15
GeneralAntillesWhich isn't TOO bad05:15
lcuk2do you use white on black05:16
GeneralAntillesas you can just run xterm and do "blset 1" to change it before you read05:16
scibotlcuk2, If you ever do get around to porting a paint app, after pygame of course, please map hardware shortcuts to the colour wheel, eyedropper and brush size.05:16
lcuk2on my old pda it looked wrong so i kept with whitebackground05:16
scibotI'm a dead man if I can't pick a colour of the canvas in a button press.05:17
GeneralAntillesWhite on black with the standard Sans font looks fantastic on the NIT screens.05:17
lcuk2sci - sounds like how it should be done i had the f keys on my touch screen lappy setup similar05:17
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scibotAny paint app will go from bearable to beautiful if you just make the features convenient.05:19
lcuk2i like havin an oil paint palette05:19
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lcuk2its rare i pick up identical color - to me it adds to the image05:20
scibotWhat I'll do is pick up a colour already on the canvas and tweak it.05:21
scibotSwipe over the area with another colour on low opacity, eye drop the result and then tweak it, is my usual approach05:21
scibotWorks well over underpaintings.05:21
lcuk2if im workin with limited color i use the dropper but i usually just guess05:23
scibotI just like to build on what's already on the canvas.05:23
lcuk2im gonna enjoy workun on this nokia05:25
lcuk2or not as the typos would have me believe05:26
scibotI will as well once the whole pygame pixel doubling thing is sorted.05:26
lcuk2i went away before readin up on the kernel and seeing what ties are in place for talkin to the 242005:27
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luroni'd advocate a C painter instead of python05:28
luronand have scibot be the UI dictator05:28
lcuk2when i got the latest src from maemo they are all datestamped april thats not right s it?05:28
luronwhat is your system date lcuk2 ?05:28
lcuk2as long as the actions and tools are exposed we can all build a uui to fit05:29
lcuk2damn my typing wil get better on this 810 soon05:29
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lcuk2jan 0i05:29
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scibotHow is the keyboard?05:30
lcuk2files are all 26/4/0705:30
scibotI'm using a N800, which sucks to type on, (at least with 2008 which has been a little dodgy on the thumbboard)05:31
lcuk2fat fingers trying to touchtype05:31
scibotHeh, not using your thumbs?05:31
lcuk2theres no tab key - python dev onboard is ruined as a dreamfor now05:31
lcuk2thumbs too s-ow05:31
scibotNo tab key? xmodmap, or xkbd05:32
lcuk2gonna get a bt kb05:32
scibotSame, going back'n'forth between the pc and the tablet doesn't sound too appetising.05:32
lcuk2not yet that i could see - best tab is the centre of the d pad05:32
lcuk2but thats enter05:33
scibotProbably going to end up with the Apple Wireless keyboard.05:33
lcuk2i installed vnc and typed with my big one for a whi-e but its buggy05:33
scibotIt's the cheapest and most solid one I can get my hands on around here.05:33
scibotYep, at least the latest one is, HID compatible.05:34
scibotAll the stores are stocking it, which is why I'll get it.05:34
scibot"APPLE Wireless Keyboard V2" "It connects using Bluetooth wireless"05:38
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lcuk250quid tho05:38
* lcuk2 will try to shove a cheapy one into the usb05:39
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scibotI would too if I had any clue where to get the cable.05:41
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ds3is OS2008 suppose to be able to use a HID compatable BT kb as is w/o the drivers?05:42
scibotBut the one keyboard I tried wasn't HID, it didn't identify as a keyboard at all.05:43
ds3was OS2007 suppose to be able to do that too?05:43
ds3oh then my keyboard has a broken HID implementation then :/05:43
scibotYou just need to go to the options and tell it that you're trying to use a non-nokia bt keyboard and pair the two.05:43
ds3couldn't get it to work, wind up flipping to switch and using it in SPP mode with a usermode driver05:44
lcuk2i know we can get wiimote interface i could use semaphore to code in05:45
scibotHook it up to FCEU etc?05:46
ds3the keyboard came with specific drivers for everything so I suspect the HID mode is a crock05:46
scibotds3, At least mine paired once I gave it the specific passcode the manual said.05:47
scibotBut considering it didn't pick up as a keyboard it was quite useless.05:47
ds3scibot: it pairs, but doesn't work05:47
ds3I have the KB300 freedom keyboard and other people have reported similar problems05:47
ds3but the size makes it very nice with the N80005:48
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lcuk2im gonna try and rig up a kb over the weekend i think05:52
wag3slav3Does anyone have the cifs modules for os2008?  The link on doesn;t have the file anymore and I can't find them anywher else.05:52
lcuk2isnt that avail from maemo.org05:54
wag3slav3The wiki only has links for 2006-0705:54
ds3anyone gotten the ogg g-streamer plugins to work? I have them installed but the stock audio player still can't play ogg even though it ids the file with a music note icon05:55
lcuk2damn neeed copy paste from desktop to nit05:57
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lcuk2my mistake06:03
wag3slav3I just needed to know where the repository was :)  You rule.06:03
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lcuk2not really its my first dayhere06:04
wag3slav3I love being able to know debian and have it in my hand.06:05
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lcuk2ive always been afraid to jump06:08
lcuk2now i have linux fulltime i am starting to understand06:09
wag3slav3that doens't have the cifs one in it.06:09
wag3slav3Just nfs and ext306:09
wag3slav3I guess I'm gonna have to roll nfs. :(06:09
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lcuk2ohh dunno then tthats the official one06:09
wag3slav3I wish he would have just left that file where the forum links to.  Everything I need has nice step by step, except necessary files are missing.06:10
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wag3slav3Anyone hear when the upnp support will be ready for canola2?06:11
* pupnik refreshes nokia.de06:12
pupniklcuk2: it's really fun to be able to tweak and port stuff on linux / tablets06:13
lcuk2pup waitin for 810?06:13
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lcuk2ive had a whole 2 weeks off just lookin at this device06:13
pupniknot like there's a lack of things to do for 77006:13
wag3slav3Just got my 800 yesterday.06:14
wag3slav3I think I have to marry it. :)06:14
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lcuk2pup on hthe day my bonus came with wages nokia upped it here in uk06:14
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pupnikthey are the awesomest computery things that fit in a pocket.06:14
lcuk2i was in heaven06:14
wag3slav3I've been a debian guy for about 3 years now, and all the back end hacking is so great on this thing.06:15
lcuk2if i were getting another i would get an 80006:16
pupnikpersonally it took me about a full year to get used to having something so cool06:16
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lcuk2this is nice for  on the go but i miss more buttons outside its like an iphone when kb closed06:17
kuzewHello, I'm now having a bit of a problem with OS2008 and my n800, it will not boot up all the way, instend I get the blue LED flashing on the keypad then a reboot. Is there a way to fix this/get some more useful information to debug and figure out what caused this problem? (Maybe JTAG or serial out, or just print out to the screen?)06:17
wag3slav3You tried a fresh flash?06:17
pupniki'd love a few little unobtrusive buttons on the right hand side06:17
kuzewTrying to avoid that06:18
tank-mantry taking out the battery for a second06:18
kuzewWell, that fixes it rebooting after each attempt to boot up06:18
kuzewI was just pairing my bt keyboard, and the LED went on, then it rebooted, now it does it all the time.06:18
kuzewI mean, I /could/ reflash it, but I have many apps that I've installed and dug up.06:19
lcuk2turn off kb rem battery06:19
lcuk2it miight get past if the bt is not detect06:20
kuzewSo, turn off what now?06:20
lcuk2the bt keyboard dont let nokia see it06:20
lcuk2worth a try for free06:21
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kuzewI see, lets try it06:21
kuzew(I don't think it will fix it, but I shall try it)06:21
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kuzewBtw, R&D mode was NOT enabled this time06:22
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kuzewlcuk2: No luck with that solution06:22
kuzewIt is doing its reboot 'cycle' over and over again.06:23
* kuzew takes battery out06:23
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kuzewI wish nokia would give you some better errors than just flaging the LED, if this is a kernel panic that is06:24
kuzewCould one do away with the bootsplash and get the stdout from the kernel, so one could see what it is doing?06:26
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wag3slav3Not without getting into the device first.06:27
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kuzewWell, I would assume so06:28
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DeLe0nblah, says that the estimated time for n810 to be back in stock is Feb 19... i will need to be a little bit (more) patient ha...06:41
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wag3slav3Anyone have smb/cifs or nfs mounts working on os2008?06:47
tank-mani can browse samba shares with the filemanager, thats all ive done06:48
tank-manand upnp media shares06:48
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kuzewWell, I reflashed, now I just hope that meamo fixed there repos06:49
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wag3slav3geh in case anyone else wants to do this.06:57
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wag3slav3until ukmp or canola2 gets upnp06:58
wag3slav3I just can't stand media streamer for some reason :)06:58
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AlphaLuxEveryone sleeping?07:11
hahlojust wake up07:13
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AlphaLuxJust testing pidgin on a new 810. This thing is amazing.07:30
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wag3slav3are you drowning?07:40
* wag3slav3 throws Thai a line.07:40
wag3slav3don't die.07:40
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PcMikeFlN800 rocks07:48
wag3slav3I just got one my own self.07:48
wag3slav3It beats the crap out of my toshiba e80007:48
wag3slav3(ms pocket pc 2003)07:49
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PcMikeFlYa its cool i have hp ipaq ms2003 and i haave a mda07:49
wag3slav3Still getting that keyboard down huh?07:50
PcMikeFlThis blows em away lol07:50
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wag3slav3Yep, my pocket pcs are now expensive ebook readers.07:52
wag3slav3 :)07:52
pupnik_blew away my Psions too07:53
pupnik_i still like the netbook07:53
PcMikeFlI still use it . Psion!07:53
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pupnik_i know, i wish psion were still in biz07:54
wag3slav3I'm working on syncing up the calendar/contacts with gmail and I'll be all golden.07:54
pupnik_but tablets are cooler cuz linux07:54
PcMikeFlI got a hp 64 turionn just put fedora8 along with my windows07:54
wag3slav3Cheerios would be cooler with some linux :)07:54
wag3slav3"My cheerios run linux."07:55
* wag3slav3 eats linux cereal.07:55
PcMikeFlIm a newbie with linux but i learn quick07:55
PcMikeFlIt will be fun, i like the fact that i have 64os for free!07:56
wag3slav3the hardware in my e800 is awsome, but it's been abandoned by everyone.  2003 os running on hardware that can play 800x600 divx, but no one writes software for it anymore.  maemo won't have that problem.07:56
pupnik_i want to play baldur's gate and planescape torment on the tablets07:56
pupnik_and... i.... willllllllll07:57
wag3slav3Might take more than a n810 tho07:57
PcMikeFlYa i played tons divx on all my toys07:57
wag3slav3Well, it's been swell.07:58
wag3slav3The swellings gone down tho.07:58
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PcMikeFlIm streaming audio now while chat on my n80007:58
pupnik_PcMikeFl: using what streamer?07:59
pupnik_i never found a convenient way to install a big list of radio stations onto the default player08:00
AlphaLuxYeah this thing can really multitask well for such a small device.08:00
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pupnik_anybody with a 770 around?08:02
pupnik_i made a one-click install file that needs a test08:02
PcMikeFlYa its not that simple yet but media box found my existing links on my memory card08:02
pupnik_ok so those are .pls files PcMikeFl ?08:03
PcMikeFlNo actually mms08:03
PcMikeFlLive radio links08:03
PcMikeFlYes i have .pls but mplayer handles those08:05
AlphaLuxGotta go. Take care.08:08
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unique311c'est life.08:52
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kulveds3: FM shows the icons for oggs, but cannot open them (unless you explicitly select media player). MP cannot open the files, if you try opening them through the menu. But the oggs will show up in the Library in MP and the oggs will play from there10:16
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darxhi guys which one is the ram chip here. and can it be upgraded?11:12
darxthat is an n800 btw11:13
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darxnever mind found it.11:16
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jga23for gngeo, am I supposed to leave the games zipped?11:26
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astro76jga23, haven't tried it yet but that is pretty standard with emulators11:42
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mbuffor GUI applications in python on Maemo, do we use pygtk or any other?11:52
jga23yeah, pygtk11:54
jga23or pygame11:55
mbufjga23, thanks11:57
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darxhow can i change file associations? I'm on a nokia n800 2008 os.12:26
hahlowhere i get gnokii + depencies for os2008?12:28
darxdoesn't anybody know how to change file associations?12:32
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JaffaMorning, all13:05
kulvedarx: by setting mime types13:06
kulveor adding13:07
darxkulve: where can I do that?13:07
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kulveon a desktop, there are about all known mime types listed, but on it2008 there are only the ones supported somehow by the system13:07
lardmanrm_you: ping13:07
kulvedarx: you can check ogg project from garage (check the SVN tree)13:08
darxwhy ogg? i don't see the connection between ogg and mime types13:09
darxkulve: i'm a noob mind you :-P13:09
kulvebecause ogg support adds the ogg mime types and you can check it for an example13:09
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kulvethere's the xml file for ogg mime types (copied mostly from my desktop computer's /usr/share/mime/packages/ file)13:12
kulveand to update the mime type caches you must run "update-mime-database /usr/share/mime"13:13
[pablo]is there any way to rerun the phone wizard that runs when you first install the os?13:14
kulve[pablo]: yes, from the connection manager13:14
[pablo]i was looking in there and could only find the manual connection13:15
kulveconn. mgr. -> menu -> Tools -> Mobile operator setup wized...13:16
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Zicsomebody knows about issues with a Fonera ?13:21
Zicwith 770/N8*0 ?13:22
ZicI've got somes disconnect problems when I'm connected to MyPlace SSID (WPA2)13:22
ZicI'm forced to use public SSID to use my tablet13:23
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jonekhey - happy new year everybody :-) - got the dicount-code-activation-mail yesterday but the codes appears to be invalid .. anybody with different experience here?13:48
ptmanmine worked13:48
jonekptman: which store did you use to order?13:48
harbaumMine also doesn't work13:49
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jonekhey Till!13:49
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ptmanjonek: finland13:50
ptmanmaybe you just need to wait some days13:50
harbaumMy code fails in the german shop13:51
jonekharbaum: mine too13:51
kulveaccording to the dev list there are other germans too with problems13:52
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Jaffajonek: I didn't notice that I got a new code in my email, using that one worked in the UK store.13:55
JaffaThe latest email says: "Remember your code is: XXXXXXXXXX." when it wasn't what I should remember, it was a different code to the earlier email which included it.13:56
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harbaumNeither the old nor the new code work13:57
jonekJaffa: I've seen that footnote and tried both codes without success. I got two different codes, too.13:57
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unique311anyone try out this kgbarchiver.14:05
unique311300MB to about 1.5MB compress with the the archiver14:06
Jaffa300MB of what?14:06
jonek10101010101010 :-)14:06
sxpertkgbarchiver ? does that forward everything to Putin ?14:07
wumpuscan it also decompress it again ? :)14:07
unique311linux version also.14:08
wumpusI was afraid of that sxpert14:08
Jaffaunique311: it can't be random data, cos information theory has limits on that. It must be a particular type of data, such as text which is highly compressible14:08
wumpusI trust it as much as ciaarchiver14:08
sxpertwumpus, heh14:08
unique311well i don't want to discuss what im about to decomppress14:08
unique311its an application14:08
unique311so i doubt it only does text.14:09
unique311the application is about 355MB14:09
unique311and compressed its 1.5MB14:09
sxpertunique311, if it's C source code, no wonder :-)14:10
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jonek would be a cool app for the InternetTablets14:10
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wumpusunique311: on the kgbarchiver page they test only with text, but the results look impressive nontheless14:13
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unique311the app i'm uncompressing is 439MB.14:14
unique311just hope it works still14:14
unique31110 minutes to uncompress14:16
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unique311wondering if compression takes long.14:18
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unique311awwww...ok this is the downside of this kgbarchiver.14:21
unique311i misread time remaining..14:22
unique3118 minutes is looking more like 8 hours14:22
unique311that is unsat.14:22
unique311so sad14:24
unique3118 freaking hours.14:24
unique311i gues for a 10MB app that would be good, compress it to about nothing, and take 2 hours or so to uncompress the damn thing.14:26
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unique311Cptnodegard, KGB Archiver14:29
Cptnodegardsounds illegal14:29
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alteregoSounds soviet14:30
unique311well right now it sucks14:30
unique311i think you need some sort of super computer for this thing to uncompress at good speeds14:31
unique311the minimum requirements was up there on the site14:31
unique311recommend processor with 1,5GHz clock and 256MB of RAM14:32
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wumpusyeah, it's not like you are compressing gigabytes of data14:36
wumpuswhat processor do you have?14:36
unique311notebook  intel pentium M 1.73GHz14:37
unique3112GB ram14:37
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wumpusok not exactly ancient either14:38
unique311faster cpu the faster the uncompression.14:38
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unique311right now, that pentium M is ancient.14:39
wumpusstill, with 7zip or bzip2 it'd probably be a lot faster14:39
unique311isn't everything dual core now.14:39
unique311or is that a thing of the past now.14:39
wumpuswell that would give you a two times speedup at most14:39
Cord. o O ( dual core n810 )14:39
unique311ARM dual core14:40
wumpusso they did sacrifice (de)compression speed for better compression ratio, which makes it useful for some niche applications but certainly not as general archive format :)14:40
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Jaffa has some good bits in the "General questions" bit about compressing arbitrary random data at > 50% ratio14:41
JaffaMaybe they just upload it all to the KGB servers in .ru, and the small file size is just an index or tracker. Decompression is dependent then on bandwidth available ;-)14:42
wumpushehe, that explains the slowness :)14:42
Juhazthe paq archivers are real (though obviously useless)14:42
unique311Cord, 2 ARMs are better than one gave some good results14:43
wumpuswell, useless is not the word, but indeed small text files is not really the important thing to compress these days14:44
wumpusand with that speed I wouldn't think about using it for video compression14:44
Juhazat that speed, you wouldn't consider about using it for anything. thus, useless.14:44
wumpusit might be useful for places where storage is really at a premium, then again, it needs so much memory14:45
unique311Jaffa, maybe.14:46
unique311with that said, i hits the cancel button.14:47
unique3117 hours left also play a part in clicking that cancel button14:47
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lcukdoes anyone know whst the biggest battery pack/extender i can use is? are these aa rechagers useful?14:51
* lcuk would carry a car battery if required14:52
Juhazwell, if you want to carry a car batter, that would no doubt beat all aa rechargers.14:53
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lcuklol i would do it but what sort of life can you get with aa i am not superstrong lol14:53
lcukim just wondering cos i flattened his last night and i dont like being tethered for ages14:54
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lcukare thnere higher capacity bats that can still rfecharge14:55
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lcukunique - you asked if i am using humbs lastnigght i am now and its more tiring14:56
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lcuki just realised if i get some sort of pack on the backfor batt thats ok, but if i try same with usb so  i can have a std usb socket underneath i lose use of the stand15:01
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lcuk(on 810 usb is under stand)15:02
astro76luck, you can't charge through the usb port anyway, unless this has changed with the n81015:04
astro76you need usb to nokia charge plug adapter15:05
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lcukno i know i cant charge but sincd its usb otg i would prefer a std usb socket so i can plug std keyboafd in15:05
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lcuka battery extender would work nicely in tthe mini nokia charge socket15:07
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astro76you're trying to build something that attches to the back of the n810 ?15:10
lcukjust thinking out loud at the mo i am stuck here until  i charge up - the batt pack would work - but if i was doin it i would want to also fix he micro usb thing at same time15:12
* lcuk would be downstairs now but for the tether15:12
lcukmaybe i can get a 30 metre nokia charrger15:13
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Juhazfour 2500mAh NiMH batteries would have bit over twice the capacity of BP-5L and voltage close enough that the charger socket could probably use them as input (4.8V) without any conversion15:14
lcukive seen the extenders and they say things like 3-5 charges - but if i leftg them to trickle whilsgt using i wonder just how long it would last15:17
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* lcuk will pick one up nextg time he sees one15:18
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lcukbluetooth uses less power tghen wifi doesnt it15:18
* lcuk goes readin up on bt networkin 15:20
disqbt will use less power, but then your cell battery will die far quicker (if you do a lot of data transfer, that is)15:27
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disqprovided you don't have the chargers or spare battery for both devices, losing the ability to call/receive calls is worse15:28
unique311   funnies for the morning..enjoy..15:28
lcukisq - i dont use phone with it i use wifi dongle on desktop at home and if i can get net access through bt dongle insteadc that will save power surely?15:30
disqah, yeah it will15:30
disqbut how about range? don't you go to the bathroom with your n800? i know i do :P15:30
disqi got one charger jack on my desk and one on my nightstand. works very well15:31
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lcukrange isnt a prob i think i can see the bt host from anywhere i have gtried and my old pda could do vnc from the bath wiith bt15:31
lcukgod myh fat thumbs15:32
* lcuk apologises15:32
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lcukbut are you saying if i configure it to use pan then i cannot use bt phone connection? or is that just a limit for the sametime15:34
Cptnodegardmath, n800 style:   xD15:35
disqnot sure about the pan bit. doesn't it require some commandline editing? if it does, then you can use bt phone connection anyways (after shutting down pan?)15:35
lcukyer reading on itf a minute ago there is a big shell script to do it15:36
lcukthey were talking about linkin with a dummy profile so it will work with apps15:37
disqyeah, dummy profile is the way to go with external connections15:37
disqthat's used for usb connectivity etc as well15:37
lcukif its with a profile then it should just be selectable15:37
lcuk(it was also for the bt)15:38
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lcuktweenies is killin me i suppose i bettter getg on with real life15:41
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lcukb4 i go - who has orange box for pc - how did you find portal?15:43
sven-tekHi, i just wanted to browse my n800 via bluetooth. i found obex server. But how do i start/install sdp server? can't find it15:43
unique311lcuk, is that game any good?15:43
unique311only game i have installed for the pc is cod415:44
lcukamazing 1000000% recommend it15:44
unique311and i hardly play it.15:44
unique311might check it out.15:44
lcukportal is mind gym15:44
lcukits rreplayable and fun15:44
lcukeven my 5yr old likes it15:45
lcukand i ddont mind cos its tamer than hl or other games15:45
lcuk(only mentioned  it cos he just put it on)15:46
alteregoPlayed portal for the first time last night :P15:46
lcukhow far through are you? and are you thinking with portals yet15:47
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alteregoI completed it.15:47
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alteregoI liked the bit at the end with the cake :P15:47
* lcuk sees things in rl which need portals15:48
lcukonly thing i havent done yhet is camerashy15:48
lcuki keeep missin a couple15:48
lcukportal jumpin is like ut low gravity or stuntcarracer jumping but with finess15:49
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lcukcant wait now for ep3 and hopefully a mashup with hl15:50
hahlowhat should i put in '/system/osso/connectivity/BT/preferred' ?15:50
hahlophone's bt address?15:51
lcukcyas all15:52
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hahlowhy xml files? /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/BT/\%gconf.xml16:02
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alteregoXML ftw16:17
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* alterego just ordered his N810 :D16:20
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atlas95is it possible and how to move the /home/user/MyDocs folder on the external mmc16:26
atlas95I must edit gconf settings? which?16:26
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hahlowhere is this phonelink configuration file?16:34
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skiburAnybody know the font file's name used by default on the browser?16:35
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locutu2Is it possible to install ubuntu mobile on the n800?16:38
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suitch- <-- is there an article in the maemo wiki about how to perform this?16:51
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lcuksuit, that looks interesting but very inpractical specially for small form factor17:01
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lcukhave you run vnc from you NIT to another machine yet? i wouldn't like to run all my apps in a single window17:02
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suitch-lcuk I've done the second setup with debian armel17:03
suitch-I may write an article about it if it isn't already there17:03
suitch-this post is somewhat vague17:03
suitch-if somebody really needs something that's not ported debian armel has 9000 packages repo17:04
zoranyes, some manual/howto would be fine17:05
suitch-things like e16 or fluxbox run pretty smoothly even on n77017:07
zoranI have 77017:07
zoranmemory is the main problem, not app porting17:08
zoranbut works in low profile, console mode17:08
lcuksuit, is there a specific app you need or is this academic17:10
suitch-I'm playing around17:10
lcukjust like everyone else17:11
suitch-it's taking up some 600 mb on the memory card17:11
* lcuk pushes in the corners and see where works17:11
suitch-i'm not sure if i'll keep it17:11
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lcuk600mb is a lot for a test17:12
zoraneven for encyclopedia17:12
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zoranwinter sleep?17:13
suitch-i've always had this inherent need to run audacious on a pocket device17:13
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suitch-my dreams came true17:13
derfYou must be pretty young. audacious isn't that old.17:14
suitch-I've been sensing it before it came17:14
suitch-no really, it was about winamp at first17:17
suitch-so you don't know about any secret howto? because I haven't seen one17:19
zoranswitch-, about what?17:20
suitch-setting up debian armel in the chroot and connecting to it with vncviewer17:20
zoranfrom 770/800?17:21
zoranhm, the device is multimedia oriented, as I see it17:21
zoraniptables is installed, but no needed options in kernet to use conntrack17:22
zoranso, any secutiry is in doubt17:22
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suitch-security of what?17:23
zoranteh device itself17:23
zoranfirewall must be stateful17:24
wumpusby default there are no ports open, so why would you need a firewall :)17:24
zoranthe ports are not open, when I use the device17:24
zorantraffic must go out and in17:24
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gpdhas anyone got mythtv working on their tablet - i am close but no cigar with some errors on playback but EPG working (slowly)17:25
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locutu2Is’nt it possible to runn another window-manager than maemo?17:40
alteregoYou can run KDE if you want.17:41
alteregopenguinbait handles that stuff.17:41
locutu2Do you have ii  link with description?17:42
alteregoNo, because I don't like KDE :P17:42
zoranand why would you have it on low mem device?17:43
locutu2I want to have the option17:43
alteregoWhat option?17:43
locutu2Maybe on sd-card17:43
alteregoWhat for?17:44
zoranthe screen could be small for that17:44
locutu2I think kde would look very cool on my device17:44
zoranif you like it17:44
alteregoBy diverting use away from maemo you effectively divert attention that would inevitably improve our platform.17:45
alteregoSo if you don't like maemo. Buy something else is my advice :P17:46
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locutu2I mean the taskbaar on  the side reduces the comfort in bbrowsing with the good screen17:47
alteregoThat's what full screen mode is for.17:48
alteregoBrowsing out of full screen mode is silly :P17:48
zoranI think the same, but no help on this topic17:48
alteregoIf they could hide that panel to the top of the screen.17:49
alteregoThat would be neat.17:49
alteregoSo you still get the status bar and app menu + close/minimize buttons.17:49
zoranthe whole design is based on what we have now17:49
alteregoThen again, the task navigator is useful.17:50
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zoranon laptop I sometimes use evilwm17:51
locutu2Yes it is, but why on the side17:51
zoranso small and has just one command, to start up the shell17:51
alteregoIt's the only place it fits.17:51
alteregoThink about the vkb.17:51
alteregoAnd the toolbar17:51
alteregoIf the navigation bar was along the bottom. Then it'd seriously reduce the height estate for an application.17:52
zoranI coudl live with side bar, but upper one is not necessary17:52
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locutu2Would be good if the bar pops up from the ttop17:53
alteregoThe device is supposed to be able to be used with thumbs.17:53
locutu2With one button17:54
locutu2Only the weeb button17:55
alteregoThe stylus is great for clicking little things. But having to take it out and put it back constantly is a bit of a pain.17:55
alteregoFinger and thumb navigation is a great thing in my opinino,17:56
zoranI use it as input method17:56
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locutu2Yes, but it could be combined with popup menus17:57
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locutu2By the way, Is it easy to write a new desktop sheme for os2008?17:57
locutu2I want ann lcars-sheme17:58
zoranthere is one for os 200617:59
wumpusyeah it should really have the tricorder theme by default :)17:59
locutu2Yes ;)18:00
alteregoGeeks :P18:00
EYIs  there a tricorder theme!?18:01
wumpusand proud of it :)18:01
alteregoWhat the hell does a tricorder look like?18:01
alteregoYou do realise they're fictional right?18:01
wumpuswell it had the lcars there, which there used to be, I don't know if it still works on the newest version18:02
locutu2I have seen one for old os18:02
alteregoIt should do, with a little tweaking maybe. But mostly the theming is pretty much the same across OS'18:02
alteregoOr at least backward compatible.18:02
locutu2I hope so18:03
wumpusyes, last time I checked they were still fictional18:04
wumpusthough they looked a lot like the gadgets of nowadays :)18:04
locutu2I want that ffor os200818:05
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zoranlocutu2, pretty colorful18:07
locutu2It says installation not possible18:07
zoranit says it works on 06/0718:08
zoranyou have 08?18:09
locutu2Yes. Can i downgrade to 07?18:09
zoranno, you are damned to stay on 0818:09
locutu2Ohhhh :(18:09
zorantoo much colors, for my taste18:10
zoranand take a look at red note18:10
zorando NOT install on new os18:10
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locutu2I tried it but i cant18:12
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zoranit says don't18:12
locutu2But i can restore the os if something fails, or not18:14
zoranah, you can18:14
zoranit is a meter of reflashing18:14
zoranall folks say 2008 is better18:14
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locutu1I have updated my new device to os08, so i dont know the others18:17
zoran800 has more memory than 770, so no big deal18:18
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locutu1But i want lcars18:20
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Cptnodegardgmail on the os2008 mail app, not possible?18:34
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zorancookies or what?18:35
Cptnodegardcookies? o_+18:35
zoranI mean, do they ask to turn cookies on?18:36
Cptnodegardum no... it just doesnt connect18:36
Cptnodegardim not sure i configured it correctly18:36
zoranport 99518:37
sp3000you might want to play with modest beta18:37
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Cptnodegardnah if it doesnt work with the internal app (which i think it said on the forum) ill just use thhe online one, its not that important with mail18:38
LoCusFtry modest18:38
|tbb|ive found a command maemo-get-passwd for what is that good for18:38
sp3000that reminds me, I need to create mail infrastructure that'll give me a useful single low-traffic inbox somewhere18:39
* sp3000 scratches head18:39
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sp3000|tbb|: run it?18:40
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L0cutuswhat i have to do to periodically start a 'job' on my n800 ? (i haven't see cron on maemo...)18:46
* zoran gone to feed dragons18:47
skiburI'm in KDE as we chat on my Tablet N800 - OS2008.18:51
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|tbb|sp3000: it prompts me to anpasswort setting dialog18:57
sp3000|tbb|: right ...and what happens when you enter one twice?18:58
|tbb|ihavent done it18:59
|tbb|and wont if i dont know what it does18:59
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sp3000fair enough19:02
sp3000looks like a tool to ask for a password from a script19:02
|tbb|its more a set up password script19:03
sp3000by the changelog that googling gives, the next version calls itself maemo-set-password and does something slightly different in addition as the name implies19:03
sp3000maemo-set-passwd even19:03
|tbb|im searching for that maemo-gtk-im-switch19:04
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Sho_Cord: No change for you either, I assume?19:20
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* lcuk thinks about eating some maemo py19:26
* lcuk would settle for cocoa but isn't on a mac19:27
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d^_^Bhi guys19:31
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d^_^Bplease help19:32
d^_^Bi have 1 question19:32
d^_^Bis anyone there?19:32
dragornhere's a hint: actually asking the question tends to be the first step to getting anyone to care about helping you.19:33
lcukalso, offering punch and pie to the person who answers gets a better response ;)19:34
d^_^Bmy problem is for n810 memory cards19:36
d^_^Bplease explain19:36
d^_^BDDR RAM 128MB19:36
d^_^BFlash 256MB19:36
d^_^Bthese are internal memories? yes?19:36
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d^_^Bhow many memory card is available for n810?19:37
lcuk1 external slot19:37
lcuki think the 256mb you mentioned isn't on its own tho19:37
lcukthere is 128mb actual normal memory19:37
lcukthen a 2gb internal flash memory card19:37
lcukand a single slot on the front for a single individual one of a kind card19:37
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d^_^Bplease step by step19:38
d^_^Bhow many memory card is available for n810?19:38
lcuk1, one19:38
Vulcanis[12:38:01] <lcuk> and a single slot on the front for a single individual one of a kind card - Only minisdhc19:38
d^_^Bonly one/?19:39
lcukyes, only 119:39
CordSho_: lets see.19:39
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d^_^Bwell it has an internal 2 gm memory card or HDD?19:39
Sho_Cord: *cues omnious music* ;)19:39
lcuki know you ancient people with n800s have 2 slots, but i never seen one of those, i am used to devices with only 1 slot which my n810 has19:39
d^_^BHard Drive?19:39
lcukno hard drive19:40
CordSho_: nope. i think i'd have a sms now if codes started to work.19:40
d^_^Bso only 2 gb internal = flash memory card yes?19:40
Sho_Cord: Well, guess our next shot is Monday then19:40
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CordSho_: three collegues are waiting for it too.19:40
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d^_^Bso please what are 256mb and 128mb? what are these?19:41
lcuki only know about the 128mb of RAM.19:42
Vulcanis128 MB of ram on the n800 and n81019:42
Vulcanis256 MB of internal memory on the n80019:42
Vulcanis2GB of internal memory on the n81019:42
astro76256 MB internal on n800 and n81019:42
d^_^Boh so there is 128mb of RAM and is it an memory card too?19:42
Vulcanisd^_^B: which one are you buying19:43
astro76d^_^B, no, it's soldered on board ram19:43
astro76the 2GB internal replaces the missing internal card slot19:43
d^_^Bwell i wanna buy new nokia n81019:43
Okko_d^_^B: ram memory is the "running memory" where programs are loaded for execution19:43
VulcanisRandom access memory memory19:43
Cordd^_^B: me too!19:43
lcukRAM is not FLASH - the 128mb ram is lost when you reboot the device, its the same as RAM on your computer19:43
d^_^Bok and can it be in 8 gb?19:43
d^_^BSupport for compatible miniSD and microSD memory cards (with extender). Supports cards up to 8GB. (SD cards over 2GB must be SDHC compatible.)19:44
Vulcanisthere is an SD card slot, that can go up to 8gb19:44
d^_^B8 GB is available for n810?19:44
lcukminiSDHC - ensure you get the HC version though else the device will not support it, might be best to get from nokia if you are unsure19:45
d^_^Boh i got an SD card and up for 8 gb ummm how much is it?19:45
Vulcanisyou need MiniSD19:45
Vulcanisnot just SD19:45
Vulcanisits a smaller card physically19:45
astro76d^_^B, and really you should get microSD, there really isn't an 8gb miniSD and probably won't be19:45
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d^_^Blcuk i don't buy it yet19:46
lcuksize comparison of formats19:46
lcukn810 takes MiniSD19:46
d^_^Bplease tell me which version is possible 8 gb for n810?19:46
d^_^Band for buy19:47
blast007look at "Storage"19:47
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d^_^Bblast007 yes i am seeing this right now but i want to be sure19:48
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lcukim not sure of specifics because my n810 is virginal - i have not yet put anything into its slot19:48
astro76d^_^B, you want microSD19:49
dhdfoohmm - does the N810 come with a microSD-to-miniSD adapter the same way the N800 came with a miniSD-to-SD adapter?19:49
d^_^Binfact i bought an n810 then how can i use and insert 8 gb memory card? has it any guide? for buy??/19:49
lcukwhen i go to buy a card i will take device with me and check right there - i know the size and format required but will not fork out money without confirming19:49
VulcanisI think all microSD cards come with the adapters.19:49
dhdfoocool, the adapters are cheap anyway19:50
lcuki have a microsd card but it came with Micro->FullsizeSD (skipping the minisd)19:50
lcukmine wouldnt touch the sides19:50
d^_^Bpleae guide me :(19:50
VulcanisThey should have an all-in-one one19:50
chillewtf? does the N810 only support 8GB memory cards? ;o19:50
VulcanisChille: It supports up to 8gb19:50
astro76d^_^B, get a microSD that comes with a miniSD adapter19:50
Vulcanismicro or miniSD19:50
chillethen it is crap... :-(19:51
VulcanisI think you can theoretically get up to 64gb now on the n80019:51
lcukit comes with 2gb onboard so its not all bad19:51
chillei want a N810 with 16GB, at least19:51
blast007  <-- wikipedia says up to 32GB19:51
* lcuk now feels inadequate19:51
chilleahm thats better19:51
Vulcanisthey can get up to 32gb19:52
Vulcanisthere are no reasonably priced cards that are that huge19:52
lcukits just a matter of drivers, it can take any miniSDHC i think19:52
Cordyes. wikipedia always and forever contains only the truth[tm]19:52
chillewell, you get a 16GB card for about $10019:52
* lcuk edits wikipedia to tell of the terabytes available onboard19:53
d^_^Boh it has a external 8 gb memory card yes?19:53
lcukexternal card slot19:53
lcukrequires you to purchase your own19:53
Cord. o O ( anyone remembers the times when a big computer to show off has 64MB RAM and a floppydisc drive?19:54
dhdfoo64kb you mean :)19:55
lcuk64mb :O thats huge, i remember when i put a 16kb expansion in19:55
Cordhas to deal with TBytes and PBytes these days, and is confused...19:55
lcuki have more cache in my processors nowadays19:56
* lcuk fondly remembers optimising fractal code to fit inside the 256byte cache on the 6802019:57
dhdfoothe fact that you can get >4GB on a MicroSD card kind of blows my mind19:58
dhdfooand put it in your cellphone19:58
lcuk4gb is a lot of contacts19:58
lcukyou would get a sore thumb scrolling through them all19:58
dhdfoomine is full of mp3s :)19:58
d^_^B16GB card for about $100 wow really?/19:58
dhdfooit's an N series19:59
lcukthen your a git, you have working powervr on it then i assume19:59
lcukfull 3d19:59
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dhdfooit's a lowly N7519:59
dhdfooI haven't tried the 3d stuff though I know it exists19:59
dhdfooin the US you can get them for $0 with a 2 year contract which is a pretty incredible deal for a device that runs Python20:00
d^_^B8 Gb memory card is available on nokia stores for n810? what about 16 32??20:00
mbufis there an iCalendar application for Maemo?20:00
Cord(i hope that i remember that correctly20:01
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misafir_hi i create turkish keyboard layout20:06
misafir_i wan to distburated with os200820:06
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misafir_what can i do ?20:06
milhousesubmit a patch to bugzilla?20:06
misafir_hım ok.20:07
misafir_if i want to create turkish language support how can i do ?20:07
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d^_^Bare u turkish?20:08
b0unc3guys, where I can find libhildonmime0-1.10.1 ?20:08
d^_^Bis there available n810 there?20:08
misafir_no n800 sell in turkey, but i buy n800 in usa20:09
d^_^Bhow much is n800 there?20:09
misafir_d^_^B: i dont know but this is website :
d^_^Bwell thank u guys20:12
misafir_ i want to create turkish language support how can i do ?20:13
d^_^Bi want to create farsi too :D20:13
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lcukmisa, how far do you want to go with translation20:15
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jga23anybody else not able to update libillumination0?20:22
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lcuk_damnare all the pepole over there working hard developing for their nokias or are they just silent20:28
locutu2We are so busy developing that we  cant answeer20:29
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lcuk_damnok, ill get the ball rolling, i am used to working with visual studio on windows.  i think i know the process for coding for maemo but let me try an example and see if its right20:32
lcuk_damnsuppose i like a program (say fbreader) but i want to try and modify it20:33
lcuk_damni get the source code for it20:33
lcuk_damnfire up my vmware session and open it in the editor, make the changes and compile for arm20:33
lcuk_damn(this is where i get sticky)20:34
lcuk_damncan i just copy and test then or do i need to package it20:34
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locutu2Soryy, cant help you. I have my device for one week now20:35
lcuk_damnwhen working on my pda (.net compact) it just ran from the windows IDE so i could test on the device20:35
penguinbaitany news on USA discount codes yet?20:35
lcuk_damni only got mine in december as well20:36
dragornlook at the scratchbox wiki pages on maemo.org20:36
dragorntheres tutorials there about how to run the test environment20:36
FISmithI am trying to talk using RFCOMM to a device using PyBluez. Is there a way I can control the pairing process directly from my Python script, completely bypassing the maemo "Pair with device" dialog?20:36
lcuk_damni want to run on the device not test env20:36
dragornFISmith: drive the bluez libs directly.  you'll need to figure out what the python api is.  It ought to work with directly driven connections.20:37
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FISmithdragorn: do you mean bypass PyBluez? What basic mechanism would I use to access the bluez libs directly from Python?20:49
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lardmandhdfoo: you about do discuss DSP things?20:51
lardmanor even "to discuss"20:51
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emma`doc|home, Can you help me get linux on my tablet?20:58
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tank-manwhich tablet?20:59
emma`Um, hold on21:00
penguinbaitis it a paper tablet, ot stone?21:02
lardmanpaper tablet?21:03
lardmanparacetamol perhaps, but not paper21:03
skim about to attempt my second round of installing scratchbox et all21:04
skcan anyone point me to the best tutorial?21:04
skI've seen about 30 on google that I've drew from on my last attempt21:04
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skbut it built a somewhat imcomplete scratchbox, apt-get wasn't working, couldn't compile to AMR only PC, xeyphr would not run for ARM, etc.21:05
skMy development target is the n77021:05
skI'm on debian (vm)21:05
skThe last attempt is documented here:
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sikor_sxemy app won't display its icon... are there any requirements about the size of the icon?21:07
lardmansk: ??21:08
DRoBeRWho can tell me how to install mplayer on OS2008 using an N800? :S21:08
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lardmanDRoBeR: Application manager....21:09
sklardman: I'm pulling it up now ...21:09
DRoBeRI can't see it on the list :S May I have wrong repositories?21:10
lardmanit should be in extras, you may need to enable that one21:10
sklardman: alright, I think I took bits and pieces from it, but didn't follow 100% . I was using another tutorial or 521:11
lardmanotherwise there ought to be a link to it from the download page linked to from maemo.org21:11
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lardmanDRoBeR: and if the worst comes to the worst, head over to the garage page21:11
DRoBeRouch, not it appears on my list! :S21:12
DRoBeRCool... I am an idiot. Thanks for your time, lardman . ^_^U21:12
b0unc3is there any way to see if I have actived red pill mode ?21:13
DRoBeRWhat about video "Et" audio recording? :)21:14
lcuk_damnbounc, i think you have more options in the dialog, but the simplest is just to trigger the selection again (matrix thingy)21:14
DRoBeRb0unc3, "sysctl dev.pill.color"21:14
lcuk_damn~sh: sysctl: not found21:16
b0unc3sysctl: error: 'dev.pill.color' is an unknown key21:16
b0unc3I'm trying to install rtcomm v2.. but it need libhildonmime0-1.10.1... where I can find this lib?21:26
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darxdoes the n800 usb work in usb host mode?21:40
lardmanb0unc3: make sure you've flashed the latest image21:42
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lardmandarx: otg, yes21:42
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darxlardman: how can i enable it?21:43
lardmanno idea, try browsing ITT21:43
lcuk_damnfrom what i read just get a cable and plug in - according to docs usb OTG should just work with standard usb devices (as long as they don't use shitloads of power)21:44
darxlcuk_damn: i just found this is this basically locking otg to the respective modes or is it pure host mode?21:45
FISmit1Several hits ...
lardmanor search itt21:46
lardmannever a bot around when you need one!21:46
darxwhat do you guys think about this procedure?
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darxfor any one in the UK, is selling the n800 for £129.21:51
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darxa bargain imho21:51
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lcuk_damncifs is the component which gives network shares isnt it21:59
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Fenix-Darki'm trying to get my apple bluetooth keyboard working with my n800 on os2008, but i cant seem to get it to pair.  when i select the keyboard to pair (from the n800) and hit OK after it picks a passcode, it automatically fails, without any time to type the passcode on the keyboard22:18
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lcuk_damnive had a particular mail account now for 8 years22:31
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lcuk_damnsince the 18th december i signed up for 3 things - qt evaluation program, fbreader and vmware and NOW i am getting spam22:32
lcuk_damnnever had anything on this account before22:32
lcuk_damni are shocked22:32
Fenix-Darkits that damn fbreader22:33
Cordlcuk_damn: want some of mine 1000+/day?22:33
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lcuk_damncord, my other accounts get spam, but ive never seen anything with this one22:33
sikor_sxehello, anyone knows what i have to do to make my app show it's icon?22:33
sikor_sxean appname.png is installed into /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/hildon/22:34
sikor_sxebut it shows only the default icon :(22:34
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kulve/usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor22:47
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sikor_sxekulve: the docs are wrong then22:55
sikor_sxe"If you your application is deploying icons to /usr/share/icons/hicolor then you should make sure to run the22:56
sikor_sxegtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor22:56
sikor_sxecommand in the postinst script, otherwise your icons might not show up until the device is restarted!"22:56
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skim not to hot at debian package installation ...22:56
skcan someone give me hand w/this ..22:56
skDownload the following Scratchbox files from Alternatively, install the corresponging debian binary packages.22:56
skI added the line to my sources.list22:57
kulvesikor_sxe: well, I'm not sure if the -f is needed. I just cut'n'pasted that from kilikali and there the icon stuff works22:57
sikor_sxekulve: the -f switch worked however :)22:57
kulvesikor_sxe: good :)22:57
skso how do I apt-get scrathbox-core-1.0.7?22:57
sket all22:57
kulvesikor_sxe: you can (or should) make a bug about that..22:57
kulvesk: does "apt-get install scratchbox" install the latest packages?22:58
skI haven't tried it ..22:58
kulvesk: you might also want to try the maemo installer scripts. They install the SB from tarballs and create the SB targets22:58
sk <- what I'm following22:58
kulvethat's how I installed my SB22:58
kulvesk: are you installing SB for 2008 (chinook)?22:59
skno, my target is n77022:59
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skthis is my second attempt at it22:59
kulvewell, the latest SB is recommeded for 770 too, iirc. I'm just not sure if the toolchain is the same for 2006 and for 200823:00
skyeah, I dont know.23:00
skshould I attempt to apt-get install scratchbox?23:00
kulvego ahead23:01
kulveI'm not sure if the meta package like that exists23:01
sksays it couldn't find the package23:01
kulve2.2 Installing Scratchbox Apophis manually23:02
kulveyou can follow that to install the SB. Just select the toolchains according to the gregale docs23:02
kulvecreating the targets is pretty much the same23:02
kulveand now I'm off again23:03
skthanks man,I'll  let you know23:03
skhow it turns out23:03
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Cptnodegardhas anyone tried connecting multiple USB devices on a n810/800 in host mode? with a hub of course23:14
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elbI am under the impression that the n8x0 devices only work with USB on-the-go devices23:16
Cptnodegardworks with keyboard and flash drive23:18
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Cptnodegardmy Q is wheter or not it works with hubs, for example both a flash drive and keyboard23:18
elbare you sure those devices are not USB OTG compatible?23:19
Cptnodegardthey prob are, i dunno, thats still not my question23:19
elb(note that USB OTG does *not* support hubs)23:19
elb(perhaps that was not clear)23:19
Cptnodegardnah it wasnt23:20
Cptnodegardi know that some guy is using a hub to get more power, just dont know if he has connected more than one thing23:20
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Cptnodegardhubs work23:24
Cptnodegardaccording to some ITT guy23:24
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crevetor_hi everybody23:30
crevetor_and good year23:30
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crevetoror happy new year23:30
crevetoranyways...I've got a question : how do you enable networking on the maemo dev environnement23:31
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crevetorwhen I do start23:31
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crevetorand then run an application that uses the network it says it can't use networking...23:31
sikor_sxehow do i reset my n800/os2008? or turn it off23:31
sikor_sxei have a zombie program-manager23:32
crevetorreset or turn it off ?23:32
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sikor_sxeif it's not possible to reset it23:32
zs_remove battery23:32
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crevetorhold the power button for 4seconds23:32
sikor_sxeit won't start again!23:33
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sikor_sxeholy moley23:34
* sikor_sxe prays23:34
zs_remove the battery and try again :P23:35
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sikor_sxewent on again :)23:39
sikor_sxei guess that's a bug23:40
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ustunozgurhi how does one get a list of installable apps to use with apt-get?23:47
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ustunozgurthe list in the "Application Manager"23:47
pupnik_apt-cache search $string23:48
pupnik_apt-cache search ""23:48
ustunozgurnice thanks. does it output all or just not installed ones?23:50
ustunozgurall I guess23:50
pupnik_i never realized "" worked until just now :)23:50
pupnik_so thanks for asking :)23:50
ustunozgurI didnt now that either. I knew apt-cache search but strange. did you just guess that? :) nice23:51
pupnik_yeah shot in the dark23:51
ustunozguris staying in red pill mode dangerous if you know what you are doing?23:52
pupnik_afaik it's just like being root from the app manager23:53
ustunozgurok thanks.23:54
pupnik_do you have a keyboard?23:54
lardmannight all23:54
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shackansikor_sxe: with the off button?23:56
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sikor_sxeshackan: this did not shutdown the n80023:57
sikor_sxeit went into some kind of suspend mode23:57
shackannot even holding it down?23:57
sikor_sxebut i remeber seeing the n800 boot a few times23:58

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