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| ustunozgur | pupnik_: me? | 00:03 |
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| ustunozgur | I'm using ssh. | 00:03 |
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| Aniruddha_NL | can I ssh into the n800 without enabling the r&d_mode? | 00:07 |
| Aniruddha_NL | tht is ssh into n800 from my desktop | 00:07 |
| pupnik_ | ah | 00:07 |
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| pupnik_ | i use the shell a lot, so i'm always using ssh/synergy/bluetooth keyboard | 00:08 |
| fish_ | re | 00:08 |
| ustunozgur | Aniruddha_NL: if you install openssh-server, yes. | 00:10 |
| Aniruddha_NL | ustunozgur: I have it installed | 00:10 |
| Aniruddha_NL | Bu I get stucka t the password screen | 00:11 |
| Aniruddha_NL | :S | 00:11 |
| Aniruddha_NL | I have tried the default password | 00:11 |
| Aniruddha_NL | ropotme | 00:11 |
| Aniruddha_NL | rootme | 00:11 |
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| ustunozgur | it asks a new password for me | 00:11 |
| ustunozgur | while installing | 00:11 |
| ustunozgur | then you use that password you gave. | 00:11 |
| Aniruddha_NL | true\ | 00:12 |
| ustunozgur | if you just clicked OK, it might be blank | 00:12 |
| Aniruddha_NL | but that password didn;t work | 00:12 |
| Aniruddha_NL | I can loging from my n88 locslly thouh | 00:12 |
| Aniruddha_NL | with ssh root@localhost | 00:13 |
| ustunozgur | localhost? | 00:13 |
| ustunozgur | from your n800? | 00:13 |
| Aniruddha_NL | yes | 00:13 |
| Aniruddha_NL | hurray | 00:14 |
| Aniruddha_NL | I am in! | 00:14 |
| Aniruddha_NL | I tried a different ip | 00:14 |
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| Aniruddha_NL | what is the default password for 'user'? | 00:15 |
| Aniruddha_NL | is it safe to change it? | 00:15 |
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| pupnik_ | as root, type "passwd user" in shell | 00:17 |
| pupnik_ | on os2006 i change it just fine | 00:18 |
| Aniruddha_NL | ok that gives no problems with os | 00:19 |
| Aniruddha_NL | ? | 00:20 |
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| pupnik_ | gives me no problems, and i'm not aware of others with problems | 00:21 |
| Aniruddha_NL | ah great! | 00:21 |
| Aniruddha_NL | thenj nI don't have to ssh as root anymore :D | 00:22 |
| Aniruddha_NL | thanks@ | 00:22 |
| Aniruddha_NL | @=! | 00:22 |
| pupnik_ | yw | 00:22 |
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| kulve | inz: what version of the xterm you provided? It's segfaulting every now and then and I could gdb it, if I had the sources | 00:52 |
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| moontiger | hi ... does anyone know if the scratchbox plugin for eclipse works or should i just use cmd line tools? | 00:56 |
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| sikor_sxe | kulve: around? | 01:56 |
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| scibot | Guess what! :D | 02:04 |
| scibot | I'm using my new apple wireless bluetooth keyboard on 2008/N800 to chat right now. :) | 02:05 |
| lcuk | very nice | 02:05 |
| scibot | Failed to pair the first couple of times but now it works like a beaut. | 02:05 |
| lcuk | do all the buttons work and are you wearing the customary steve jobs turtle neck? | 02:05 |
| scibot | Highly recommended. | 02:05 |
| scibot | ... How did you know I was wearing a turtle-neck? o_O | 02:06 |
| lcuk | i looked at them last night and its a nice board | 02:06 |
| scibot | I haven't tried all the keys out yet, so far so good. | 02:06 |
| lcuk | be careful with the buttons tho, if you press a certain combination a group of mac users will come round and have a party | 02:07 |
| scibot | :( | 02:07 |
| scibot | But I'm a linux hippy with a scruffy beard and no social life. | 02:07 |
| lcuk | its ok you can mingle and show off and offer to link your board with their iphone ;) | 02:07 |
| scibot | Ewwww, propriorety. | 02:08 |
| * lcuk cackles quietly about no bluetooth | 02:08 | |
| guerby | kewl sandisk microSDHC 8GB (with micro to mini adapter) is recognized by my N810 | 02:08 |
| scibot | Congratulations. | 02:08 |
| pupnik_ | guerby could you run a test for speed? | 02:08 |
| lcuk | guer, good to know | 02:08 |
| guerby | pupnik_, write speed 3.3 MB/s | 02:09 |
| tank-man | how much was the microSDHC? | 02:09 |
| scibot | Now I can roleplay erotic situations on the toilet. :D | 02:09 |
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| guerby | root flash is 6.9 MB/s, internal flash is 2.1 MB/s, and kingston 1GB microSD is 4.3 MB/s | 02:10 |
| guerby | measured with: time sh -c "dd if=/dev/zero of=toto bs=1M count=200;sync" | 02:10 |
| pupnik_ | umm how did you test? | 02:10 |
| scibot | The funky "you are using an external keyboard bar on the bottom is annoying me. | 02:10 |
| pupnik_ | sync; time sh -c "dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc1/testfile bs=1M count=100;sync" | 02:10 |
| pupnik_ | use that to write speed test | 02:10 |
| * scibot hunts down a way to disable it. | 02:10 | |
| pupnik_ | time dd if=/media/mmc1/testfile of=/dev/null bs=1M | 02:10 |
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| pupnik_ | use that to read speed test | 02:10 |
| pupnik_ | you need the sincs | 02:10 |
| lcuk | sci, that bar at the bottom will be the same one which gives suggestions about words on the 810 | 02:11 |
| guerby | pupnik_, I did \rm toto;sync before launching | 02:11 |
| lcuk | you can remove it | 02:11 |
| scibot | F6 maximises, F4 brings up the properties menu. | 02:11 |
| sikor_sxe | anyone around with knowledge of the hildon mime system? | 02:11 |
| pupnik_ | guerby: is mmc1 the minisd card on the N810? | 02:11 |
| sikor_sxe | i cannot get filemanager to open documents with my app | 02:11 |
| guerby | pupnik_, yes (mmc2 is internal flash, and for root flash I used /var/tmp and only 50GB) | 02:12 |
| guerby | 50MB | 02:12 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 02:12 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11695&highlight=minisd guerby could you post your card brand name and read/write speeds to this thread please? | 02:12 |
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| scibot | Shit, can't disable it. | 02:12 |
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| lcuk | sci - try unticking control panel/text input/languages/settings/"next word prediction" | 02:13 |
| guerby | pupnik_, pupnik for read I got really funny behaviour | 02:13 |
| lcuk | that bar used to come on when i use the internal kb (its in the right place for it on 810) and pissed me off | 02:13 |
| guerby | pupnik_, 5 MB/s then 10 MB/s then 5MB/s ... quite bizarre | 02:14 |
| pupnik_ | hmm :/ | 02:14 |
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| scibot | Testing... Bloody thing is still down there. | 02:15 |
| dragorn | guerby: sounds like a sample issue rather than a data rate issue | 02:15 |
| lcuk | ewwww | 02:15 |
| scibot | Okay now it's gone. | 02:15 |
| scibot | Had to disable word complete. | 02:15 |
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| lcuk | cool | 02:16 |
| lcuk | didnt see the pair of them lol - just got rid of all | 02:17 |
| scibot | Anyway, this is much cooler now I can type comfortably. | 02:17 |
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| lcuk | its gonna take some gettin used to with the 810 board | 02:18 |
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| lcuk | gonna plug in an external when i am at home | 02:19 |
| scibot | Got the host cable for it? | 02:19 |
| scibot | Oooh, this is really going to feed my IRC addiction, that's for sure. | 02:19 |
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| lcuk | not yet but theres other stuff happenin around which means i cant go ripping into the mystery boxes for bits | 02:19 |
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| lcuk | if it doesnt look feasible at least i know i can whip out to the apple shop and get myself one | 02:21 |
| scibot | Like mwah. | 02:21 |
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| scibot | :P | 02:21 |
| * lcuk slaps scibot for gloatin :P | 02:21 | |
| scibot | Just because I'm the apple sort of awesome. | 02:22 |
| lcuk | right - you are a python coder? | 02:22 |
| scibot | Okay that's stretching it too far, it's a nice keyboard. | 02:22 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:22 |
| lcuk | (it was actually a serious question, i have editor open | 02:23 |
| scibot | Not really, I only do it on occasion, mostly for scripting | 02:23 |
| guerby | pupnik_, posted here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=121601&postcount=38 | 02:23 |
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| pupnik_ | guerby thanks - ppl will appreciate it | 02:24 |
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| scibot | I'm pretty much studying game development now though, so I'll be getting into pygame soon | 02:25 |
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| lcuk | am i right in thinking that i can get most of the code working as standard gtk (hence dev directly in windows) and just switch out a module of hildon specific stuff when i move it onto my n810 | 02:25 |
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| pupnik_ | i have compiled many straight gtk 2.0 apps for the tablets | 02:26 |
| scibot | >=| | 02:26 |
| pupnik_ | but they will be missing features | 02:26 |
| lcuk | i tried this but the gui looks wrong | 02:26 |
| lcuk | hence needing to hildonize a few calls | 02:26 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 02:27 |
| lcuk | cool - so i i am heading in the right direction | 02:27 |
| lcuk | feeling a bit better | 02:27 |
| lcuk | how do i get file manager to run .py files directly? (i think its related to the mime question earlier) | 02:29 |
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| maddler800 | New rtcomm rocks! | 02:41 |
| guerby | maddler, in what respect? :) | 02:45 |
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| unique311 | doesn't install on my device. | 02:45 |
| unique311 | i like the gizmo hackk | 02:46 |
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| maddler800 | Almost ever IM protocol is now available from default chat application! | 02:46 |
| unique311 | able to make free calls and recieve them...can't beat that. | 02:46 |
| maddler800 | Also... | 02:48 |
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| |R | unique311 : hack? | 02:57 |
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| unique311 | not really. | 02:58 |
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| unique311 | well i guess you can call it that... | 03:01 |
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| unique311 | if you set up grandcentral to forward calls to your gizmo number. | 03:02 |
| unique311 | and set up the gizmo number in the default chat client. | 03:03 |
| unique311 | what happens is, when you go to the grandcentral website and call any number from your contact list. google actually calls the number you want to dial, and then i guess forwards the call to your gizmo number. | 03:04 |
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| mardi__ | thought grandcentral new signups was closed :/ | 03:13 |
| unique311 | i'll send u an invite | 03:13 |
| unique311 | have 5 left.. | 03:13 |
| unique311 | come and get em | 03:13 |
| unique311 | pm me ur email addy | 03:14 |
| Cptnodegard | its good to be a geek :) | 03:16 |
| Cptnodegard | [02:15] <Cptnodegard> i | 03:16 |
| Cptnodegard | [02:15] <Cpt_DS> r | 03:16 |
| Cptnodegard | [02:15] <Cptn-N800> Extremely | 03:16 |
| Cptnodegard | [02:15] <CptLaptop> bored | 03:16 |
| Cptnodegard | [02:15] <CptnCell> ! | 03:16 |
| steri | :P | 03:16 |
| lcuk | c c c c c lag breaker | 03:16 |
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| guerby | hmmm big design oops: there's no & key or symbol on N810 french kbd ... | 03:22 |
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| dhdfoo | argh I missed lardman | 03:22 |
| dhdfoo | stupid timezones :) | 03:22 |
| dhdfoo | is it okay to update http://maemo.org/community/wiki/dspprogramming/ to reflect new paths to DSP stuff on the N800? | 03:23 |
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| fysa | certainly | 03:38 |
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| unique311 | |R, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJpS5doGZM | 03:46 |
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| nwidger | hey, any around? | 03:50 |
| nwidger | *anyone | 03:50 |
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| unique311 | i'm around. | 03:51 |
| unique311 | what you want suckkaaa. | 03:51 |
| |R | checkin' :) | 03:51 |
| unique311 | j/k | 03:51 |
| nwidger | okay | 03:51 |
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| nwidger | so imtrying to update through the app manager | 03:51 |
| nwidger | but it says i cant because im missing libglade and makedev | 03:51 |
| nwidger | the package is rtcom-beta-os2998 | 03:52 |
| nwidger | do you know how to fix my problem? | 03:52 |
| unique311 | i gave up on that one. | 03:53 |
| shackan | nwidger: you enabled red pill mode ? | 03:53 |
| unique311 | had alot of missing dependencies | 03:53 |
| nwidger | shackan: i have | 03:53 |
| unique311 | because its trying to use the repository and not the repostory. | 03:53 |
| nwidger | shackan: should i disable it? | 03:53 |
| shackan | mm, strange, I installed it | 03:53 |
| shackan | nwidger: I didn't | 03:53 |
| nwidger | hmmm | 03:54 |
| unique311 | but everytime i remove the (i) it just adds new repos. | 03:54 |
| nwidger | lemme try again | 03:54 |
| nwidger | what exactly is red pill mode? | 03:54 |
| unique311 | a mode that should not be abused | 03:56 |
| nwidger | what is it though? | 03:56 |
| nwidger | root? | 03:56 |
| nwidger | or what | 03:56 |
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| unique311 | a mode that allows you to install stuff that can screw your tablet up, i think. | 03:57 |
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| nwidger | sorry | 03:57 |
| nwidger | so what does enabling red pill mode do? | 03:57 |
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| unique311 | consequences of doing so include, 1. reflashing 2. reflashing 3 reflashing. | 03:57 |
| nwidger | ah | 03:57 |
| |R | unique311 : so basically grandcentral allows you to add contacts and calls both ends instead of you having to call? and gizmo has free call-in ? | 03:58 |
| |R | (never used either...) | 03:58 |
| unique311 | to install rtcomm, will allow rtcomm to install dependencies not available in blue pill mode. | 03:58 |
| unique311 | not sure if gizmo has free calls in. | 03:58 |
| nwidger | hmm | 03:58 |
| unique311 | i tried dialing the gizmo number via home phone. | 03:59 |
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| unique311 | and it won't go thru | 03:59 |
| unique311 | but grandcentral allows this to happen. | 03:59 |
| |R | unique311 : but in the video you called by the webpage, and it rang your n800 and the other person...? | 03:59 |
| unique311 | which is cool with me. | 03:59 |
| unique311 | yes | 03:59 |
| astro76 | you can't call the sip number from a phone | 03:59 |
| astro76 | but you can get a free 775 number from them | 03:59 |
| unique311 | but you can also use the device browser | 03:59 |
| lcuk | unique... | 03:59 |
| |R | yes sure... | 04:00 |
| astro76 | still need a credit card though | 04:00 |
| nwidger | how do you become root? | 04:00 |
| lcuk | you brush over your mail addy :( i can't quite grasp the numbers part | 04:00 |
| |R | urhm | 04:00 |
| unique311 | lcuk, you need my email address? | 04:00 |
| * lcuk would like to try google prod | 04:00 | |
| * |R doesn't get something ;) | 04:00 | |
| astro76 | or you can get a free grandcentral number and set your gizmo sip number in there | 04:00 |
| unique311 | send me a PM | 04:00 |
| unique311 | lcuk i can send you an invite. | 04:00 |
| lcuk | yer but no priv msg on this webchat | 04:01 |
| astro76 | unfortunately no new grandcentral accounts until google googlizes them | 04:01 |
| unique311 | you mind 257 having you email address? | 04:01 |
| unique311 | lol | 04:01 |
| |R | anyway i'm in canada... i'm screwed | 04:01 |
| lcuk | ill try what i think it is now... | 04:01 |
| astro76 | unique311: you guys could join an empty channel | 04:01 |
| |R | like #maemo-empty | 04:02 |
| |R | hehe | 04:02 |
| unique311 | cool | 04:02 |
| nwidger | anyone know where i can get libglade2? | 04:02 |
| unique311 | lcuk, join maemo-empty | 04:02 |
| nwidger | or makedev? | 04:02 |
| unique311 | |R, it can still work. | 04:02 |
| unique311 | don't you know anyone from the US, get an address and sign up for GC | 04:03 |
| |R | uhm, not really :) | 04:03 |
| |R | but it's too much work considering i have dirt cheap sip at home :) | 04:03 |
| |R | 1.1¢/minis close enougth to nothing. | 04:04 |
| unique311 | cool | 04:04 |
| unique311 | searching for ways to make international calls right now for free..lol | 04:05 |
| |R | hehe, keep us updated ;) | 04:05 |
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| rouex | hola | 05:26 |
| rouex | anyone know the milliamps rating for the BP-5L battery that comes with the N800? I'm looking to buy a replacement. thanks. | 05:26 |
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| Reverend | ping | 05:49 |
| Reverend | ??? | 05:54 |
| E78C8EE4BABA | pong | 05:58 |
| |R | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 4 minutes :P | 05:59 |
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| Reverend | Thank you for responding E78C8EE4BA, I was wondering if there was a -voice that had occurred. | 06:02 |
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| E78C8EE4BABA | not showing in xchat | 06:03 |
| E78C8EE4BABA | btw, (n810 xchat)++ | 06:04 |
| Reverend | Awesome E78, (I'm too lazy to type the whole thing) how hard was that to get in n810? | 06:10 |
| E78C8EE4BABA | point&click | 06:11 |
| * Reverend nods | 06:12 | |
| E78C8EE4BABA | it's beta, but i've found no bugs | 06:12 |
| Reverend | Mine's not nearly so cool, it's Colloquy on Mac os X ;) | 06:12 |
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| E78C8EE4BABA | my only problem now is figuring out how to bear children for my n810 | 06:13 |
| |R | anyone got pipepanic running on 2008? :P | 06:13 |
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| scibot | Crap, can't find the equivelant of the home key on this thing. | 06:36 |
| scibot | Any ideas? I know CTRL+Left jumps across by word. | 06:36 |
| scibot | I'm using an apple wireless keyboard and it doesn't have the right side with the numpad etc. on it | 06:37 |
| scibot | I need it to delete the whole line, which is something that until now I didn't realise how often I did. | 06:40 |
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| unique311 | http://beeks.eu/Screensaver.htm | 06:50 |
| unique311 | HERe's A cOoL LiNkE | 06:51 |
| unique311 | WtF WhY Is MY WrTtinG LoOkIng LiKE THiS. | 06:51 |
| unique311 | iS THIs A JOkE. | 06:51 |
| unique311 | that was strange | 06:52 |
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| unique311 | save the .swf to mmc, run them in the browser, and then bookmark them. | 06:53 |
| unique311 | the handclock.swf is i think the best. | 06:54 |
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| unique311 | http://beeks.eu/swf/handclock.swf | 06:56 |
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| scibot | How do you map keys for a bluetooth keyboard? Want to set up a combo for home and end | 07:16 |
| tank-man | maybe you can try with xmodmap | 07:19 |
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| jason__ | quick question | 08:24 |
| jason__ | I've compiled xv | 08:24 |
| jason__ | but how can I double click on n810??? | 08:24 |
| jason__ | err | 08:24 |
| jason__ | right click I meant | 08:24 |
| jason__ | which is needed to display xv's menu | 08:24 |
| jason__ | it's kinda annoying without | 08:24 |
| keesj | Hi | 08:25 |
| keesj | I don't think it is possible. | 08:25 |
| jason__ | great | 08:25 |
| keesj | I qoulw be good to do like other programs , that pressing for a longer time pops up the menu. or do something in combo with a hardware key | 08:26 |
| jason__ | bah not worth it | 08:26 |
| jason__ | I was hoping that a key combination would work | 08:27 |
| keesj | me trying to be funny: you need to pres harder | 08:27 |
| jason__ | i.e. shift + click | 08:27 |
| jason__ | ah | 08:27 |
| jason__ | I found it | 08:27 |
| keesj | what works best are apps that are designed for the devices | 08:27 |
| keesj | really? | 08:27 |
| jason__ | YES!!! | 08:28 |
| jason__ | kick ass | 08:28 |
| jason__ | thanks!!! | 08:28 |
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| keesj | WTF | 08:28 |
| Luria | anyone ever have their home screen applets just disappear? | 08:30 |
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| unique311 | LoL | 08:31 |
| unique311 | He foUND the answer, and didn't bother sharing. | 08:31 |
| unique311 | that sucks | 08:31 |
| Luria | the joys of oss | 08:32 |
| unique311 | in and out. | 08:33 |
| keesj | happy happy joy joy. | 08:33 |
| Luria | hmmm... whats up with the libillumination packages | 08:34 |
| Luria | they all see to have updates, but not all of the libs seem to be installable? | 08:34 |
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| keesj | Luria: I dont know | 08:40 |
| Luria | keesj, but you know what i'm talking about? | 08:41 |
| Luria | argh. xchat's gone stupid. brb | 08:42 |
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| keesj | I know there have been problems with the repositories (and often a download fails) perhaps this is related | 08:42 |
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| d^_^B | hi guys | 08:45 |
| d^_^B | tell me please this is true: | 08:45 |
| d^_^B | The N800 has an FM tuner, this was not included in the N810 | 08:46 |
| d^_^B | ????????? | 08:46 |
| keesj | this is right | 08:46 |
| Luria | yup | 08:46 |
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| * keesj is very happy with his new laptop . ready for serious development! | 08:48 | |
| d^_^B | n810 hasn't it :( | 08:49 |
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| keesj | perhaps it is hidden again :p | 08:49 |
| d^_^B | ummm so not sure | 08:50 |
| moontiger_ | has anybody managed to get nicotine (or any other p2p client) running on the n810? | 08:50 |
| Luria | i use bittorrent | 08:51 |
| Luria | why would i use nicotine? | 08:51 |
| moontiger_ | hmmmmmmmmm | 08:51 |
| moontiger_ | which torrent client do u use? | 08:52 |
| Luria | transmission works pretty well | 08:52 |
| moontiger_ | ahhhhhh yah | 08:52 |
| moontiger_ | i got that | 08:52 |
| moontiger_ | :) | 08:52 |
| Luria | ctorrent in a cli pinch | 08:52 |
| moontiger_ | is there any way to make transmission the default handler for .torrent files in the browser? | 08:52 |
| Luria | actually, transmission is a very good client | 08:52 |
| moontiger_ | yes its nice and lightweight | 08:53 |
| d^_^B | utorrent | 08:53 |
| d^_^B | :D | 08:53 |
| d^_^B | tell me irc client is for n810? | 08:53 |
| moontiger_ | yes ... xchat works fine on the n810 | 08:53 |
| Luria | i should hopeso, seeing as im using it atm | 08:54 |
| moontiger_ | hehe | 08:54 |
| Luria | moontiger_, no idea, i suppose gconf would be the place to start looking | 08:55 |
| moontiger_ | yah or i suppose i should write a script to do it huh? ;) | 08:55 |
| Luria | meh | 08:57 |
| Luria | its not such a big deal - i dont intentionally use bt all that often | 08:57 |
| Luria | normally, its start a torrent via rdesktop, enjoy it when i get home. | 08:58 |
| moontiger_ | yah good point ... and its no biggie to download the torrent file and then open it with transmission | 08:59 |
| moontiger_ | i was being lazy really | 08:59 |
| moontiger_ | :) | 08:59 |
| Luria | i mean, the rare case is to grab an album or something on the go, but if im moving, well i probably cant do port forwarding or im not sticking around long enough to do a really large xfer | 09:01 |
| Luria | so while its nice to have, its not something i do very often. | 09:01 |
| Luria | when i switch to a 3g tethering plan, id be wary about using it too, so that is out | 09:02 |
| Luria | i could route it through my home vpn, but that seems unwise. | 09:02 |
| Luria | and slow, given my upstream. | 09:02 |
| d^_^B | I FOund THESE: | 09:03 |
| d^_^B | The N810 has a built-in GPS, the N800 doesn't (just use a BT GPS instead) | 09:03 |
| d^_^B | The N810 has a slide-out keyboard, the N800 doesn't (both can also use an external BT keyboard) | 09:03 |
| d^_^B | The N810 has a transflective screen, the N800 doesn't. The N810 screen is much better in sunlight, and also a little brighter. But both screens are _excellent_. They both look superb under the same indoor conditions (although there's a bit more glare on the N810 screen - it's mirroring a bit more than the N800 screen). | 09:03 |
| d^_^B | The N810 has an ambient light sensor that automatically adjusts the screen illumination, the N800 doesn't (however the sensor is placed so that for some people it'll end up under your thumb..) | 09:03 |
| d^_^B | The N800 has an FM tuner, this was not included in the N810 | 09:04 |
| d^_^B | The N810 has one mini-SD slot (compatible with micro SD/SDHC as well). The N800 has two full-size SD(HC) slots (compatible with everything in the SD/MMC family). | 09:04 |
| d^_^B | Both units have 128MB of RAM and 256MB of internal flash storage | 09:04 |
| d^_^B | The N810 has an additional 2GB internal flash area | 09:04 |
| d^_^B | The limited-resolution camera on the N810 is fixed at the front, the one on the N800 pops out and can be turned around (front- or back-looking) | 09:04 |
| d^_^B | The N810 has a micro-USB connector, the N800 uses mini-USB | 09:04 |
| d^_^B | Both units use replacable Nokia phone batteries, although of different types | 09:04 |
| d^_^B | Both units are otherwise exactly the same with respect to internal hardware, and software (CPU, DSP, operating system, connectors, stereo speakers, mic etc.) | 09:04 |
| d^_^B | :D | 09:06 |
| moontiger_ | ummmm i think the n810 has a slightly faster clock speed | 09:06 |
| keesj | what about battery live? and usb-host support? | 09:06 |
| moontiger_ | batt life is good on the n810 | 09:06 |
| moontiger_ | usb host support no | 09:06 |
| d^_^B | n810 is more better for in the sunlight | 09:06 |
| keesj | it2008 does freq scalling but that did not really improve my "off the power charger" time | 09:07 |
| d^_^B | well i heard battery life is very better than n800 | 09:07 |
| keesj | much better that is :p | 09:07 |
| keesj | and what about the sound ?n810 setero stuff? | 09:08 |
| keesj | and the default package that comes with the n810 ? same stuff . I think I read there was a car mounter piece | 09:09 |
| d^_^B | more glare on the N810 screen :D | 09:09 |
| d^_^B | yes | 09:10 |
| moontiger_ | the car mount works good ... the internal gps is a bit slow getting a lock | 09:10 |
| moontiger_ | i use an external gps with my fone and the n810 and it works great | 09:11 |
| moontiger_ | i got the full wayfinder nav package and thats very good too | 09:11 |
| d^_^B | with this summarize i think n810 is much better than n800 | 09:11 |
| moontiger_ | i havent played with an n800 but from what ive read and seen i think the n810 is much better | 09:11 |
| d^_^B | well | 09:12 |
| d^_^B | it is newer and fixed the problems on n800 | 09:12 |
| moontiger_ | im more impressed with it after 3 or 4 weeks using it than i thought i would be to be honest | 09:13 |
| keesj | moontiger_: talking about n810 or wayfinder? | 09:21 |
| moontiger_ | i have to go ... laterz | 09:21 |
| keesj | bye | 09:21 |
| moontiger_ | ummmmm the n810 | 09:21 |
| moontiger_ | but wayfinder is very good too | 09:21 |
| moontiger_ | worth the $100 it costs | 09:21 |
| moontiger_ | bye :) | 09:21 |
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| d^_^B | bye | 09:22 |
| unique311 | bullshit man... | 09:26 |
| unique311 | i found like one of the best mario world flash games and freaking only playable with an n810 | 09:27 |
| d^_^B | hi unique311 | 09:29 |
| unique311 | yo | 09:29 |
| d^_^B | how are ya friend? | 09:29 |
| d^_^B | i am We :D | 09:29 |
| unique311 | friend | 09:29 |
| unique311 | don't you mean, internet buddie | 09:29 |
| d^_^B | well i have new interviews with C.Y.T. Luca Zeta And ItaloBrothers Soon | 09:30 |
| d^_^B | Do U Know Them? | 09:30 |
| d^_^B | :D | 09:30 |
| unique311 | no | 09:30 |
| unique311 | you want me to watch something. | 09:30 |
| unique311 | why not just ask. | 09:30 |
| unique311 | all the how are ya friend is not needed. | 09:30 |
| unique311 | blogtv? | 09:30 |
| unique311 | link me | 09:31 |
| d^_^B | not ready now | 09:31 |
| d^_^B | soon | 09:31 |
| d^_^B | great italo stars | 09:31 |
| unique311 | cool | 09:31 |
| unique311 | who are these people? | 09:31 |
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| unique311 | link me to the site anyways. | 09:31 |
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| unique311 | i might want to create an account. | 09:32 |
| d^_^B | www.ItaloBrothers.de | 09:32 |
| d^_^B | C.Y.T. Is Old Dance Scene Artist And The Owner Of Austrian Label www.arcrecords.at | 09:32 |
| unique311 | cool | 09:33 |
| d^_^B | www.lucazeta.com is great italian dj producer | 09:33 |
| unique311 | i started listening to dance. | 09:33 |
| unique311 | great fan of benny benassi. | 09:33 |
| unique311 | like the sound | 09:33 |
| d^_^B | my homepage: www.italodancemp3.de.am | 09:33 |
| d^_^B | supporting the artists and the labels | 09:33 |
| unique311 | cool | 09:33 |
| unique311 | now we friends..lol | 09:33 |
| d^_^B | :D | 09:34 |
| unique311 | so where is this interview taking place? | 09:34 |
| d^_^B | you can see new italodance new info cd releases interviews everytime on my homepage | 09:35 |
| unique311 | k, this is not live. | 09:35 |
| unique311 | you should check out blogtv, and hold live interviews. | 09:35 |
| d^_^B | well they are not ready yet well goes for the nest week but u can read my past interviews | 09:36 |
| d^_^B | in the down right site | 09:36 |
| unique311 | italodancemp3.de.am is not working | 09:36 |
| d^_^B | where? | 09:36 |
| d^_^B | not working? | 09:37 |
| unique311 | getting page error. | 09:37 |
| d^_^B | use www.italodancemp3.it.tt | 09:37 |
| unique311 | working now | 09:37 |
| unique311 | so slow. | 09:37 |
| Luria | no one knows if you can hack a n810 screen into a n800? | 09:38 |
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| d^_^B | or use www.italodancemp3.blogspot.com | 09:38 |
| unique311 | dude, way too much linkage. | 09:38 |
| unique311 | all of them seem not to be working for me. | 09:39 |
| unique311 | lol | 09:39 |
| unique311 | guess its not meant to be. | 09:39 |
| d^_^B | lol why? srange here is ok | 09:39 |
| unique311 | no www | 09:39 |
| unique311 | you have to link without www | 09:40 |
| d^_^B | italodancemp3.blogspot.com | 09:40 |
| d^_^B | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2007-39,GGLG:en&q=italodancemp3 | 09:40 |
| d^_^B | ok???? | 09:40 |
| d^_^B | www.italodancemp3.tk hehe u can find many domains on google | 09:40 |
| unique311 | i got it. | 09:41 |
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| d^_^B | i hate rap black hiphop musicccccccccccc | 09:45 |
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| unique311 | hmmm, i like rap black hiphop musiccccccccccccc | 09:45 |
| unique311 | kinda like all sorts of music. | 09:46 |
| unique311 | if it has a descent beat, i'll listen to it. | 09:46 |
| d^_^B | they killed many music genres anyway i never listen to trade music | 09:46 |
| unique311 | d^_^B, do you like ' rap white hiphop musiccccccccccccc' | 09:46 |
| unique311 | ? | 09:48 |
| d^_^B | totally i don't like black | 09:48 |
| d^_^B | white | 09:48 |
| d^_^B | umm no for rap hiphop | 09:48 |
| Fang64 | lol | 09:48 |
| d^_^B | i only listen to italodance and sometimes to good eurodance and trance | 09:48 |
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| Fang64 | I must be on the other end of the spectrum then lol | 09:49 |
| unique311 | wow, thats harsh d^_^B | 09:49 |
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| Fang64 | Death Metal, Industrial Metal, and Post Rock | 09:49 |
| Luria | anyone here own an eee? | 09:49 |
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| d^_^B | harsh why>? | 09:49 |
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| unique311 | guess i'm on you don't like list. considering i'm black.. lol | 09:50 |
| Fang64 | I do listen to a bit of british hiphop, the headache I have with most mainstream rap is | 09:50 |
| Fang64 | it's rapping about the same things | 09:50 |
| d^_^B | are u black skin? | 09:50 |
| Fang64 | there are a few that are descent | 09:50 |
| unique311 | lol | 09:50 |
| unique311 | yes d^_^B | 09:50 |
| Fang64 | The Roots, Mos Def, Jurrassic 5 | 09:50 |
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| unique311 | very black skin | 09:50 |
| d^_^B | oh | 09:51 |
| unique311 | lol | 09:51 |
| d^_^B | but we have many black artists on dance scene | 09:51 |
| d^_^B | like eddy wata | 09:51 |
| unique311 | i liike how you put that, "are u a black skin" | 09:51 |
| d^_^B | popular artist producer and dancer | 09:51 |
| unique311 | so thats how they refer to it where you from d^_^B ? | 09:51 |
| Fang64 | dunno what it is, never really liked trance | 09:51 |
| d^_^B | or do u know floorfilla? | 09:51 |
| unique311 | nope | 09:52 |
| unique311 | i just got into listening to dance. | 09:52 |
| d^_^B | hehehe lol come what may friend | 09:52 |
| d^_^B | well i know the artists of mine | 09:52 |
| d^_^B | i am always talkimg with them and know them very well | 09:52 |
| d^_^B | they are my friends | 09:53 |
| d^_^B | but do u know ur artists? | 09:53 |
| unique311 | i know some. | 09:53 |
| d^_^B | are they ur friends? near friends and have talk with them on chat forums emails.......... | 09:53 |
| unique311 | no | 09:53 |
| d^_^B | yes dance scene is great but listen PURE DANCE Scene no rap-dance no others....... | 09:54 |
| d^_^B | 140 BPM | 09:54 |
| unique311 | there's a rap dance scene? | 09:55 |
| unique311 | wow, i didn't know this. | 09:55 |
| d^_^B | the pure dance music has a pretty lyrics but look at par lyrics lol | 09:55 |
| unique311 | i thought dance was a genre. guess thats broken down into different types.. | 09:55 |
| d^_^B | *rap lyrics | 09:55 |
| unique311 | ok | 09:56 |
| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfFrbWYaEWI is he considered rap dance? | 09:56 |
| unique311 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn4ovawULGo&feature=related better video. | 09:57 |
| d^_^B | Angels Never Cry | 09:57 |
| d^_^B | CLOSE YOUR EYES | 09:57 |
| d^_^B | Angels Never Cry | 09:57 |
| d^_^B | CLOSE YOUR EYES | 09:57 |
| d^_^B | agg | 09:57 |
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| d^_^B | Angels Never Cry - CLOSE YOUR EYES | 09:58 |
| d^_^B | one of my best song | 09:58 |
| d^_^B | LYRICS: | 09:58 |
| d^_^B | [Whispered Voice] | 09:58 |
| d^_^B | Close Your Eyes | 09:58 |
| d^_^B | Angels Never Cry | 09:58 |
| d^_^B | [VERSES] | 09:58 |
| unique311 | no not in here.... | 09:58 |
| d^_^B | We are not alone | 09:58 |
| d^_^B | ‘Cause of you there’s none | 09:58 |
| d^_^B | Left to tell in words | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | Can’t you see me torn? | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | If you play the dice | 09:59 |
| unique311 | way off topics already. | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | Where is our life? | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | Only ask you why | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | You’re still in my mind | 09:59 |
| unique311 | d^_^B, stop | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | [BRIDGE] | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | Do you know if it’s real? | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | I see that you are here | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | I’m the man you have damned | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | I’m the door you have slammed | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | [REFRAIN] | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | You never trust the night | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | You can’t control the time | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | You fight to get some more | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | But should just trust in love | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | And when you close your eyes | 09:59 |
| unique311 | k, i'm done. peace. | 09:59 |
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| d^_^B | Why can’t I hold you tight? | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | It’s something you can’t hide | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | It’s you and I | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | And when it seems too late | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | For your sweet dreams to save | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | You will see me in your mind | 09:59 |
| Fang64 | spam chat | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | I’m gonna make you mine | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | Then please don’t say goodbye | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | Don’t’ wanna see you cry | 09:59 |
| Fang64 | that will be a ban | 09:59 |
| Fang64 | lol | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | Just try to save this while | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | It’s you and I | 09:59 |
| d^_^B | [VERSES] | 09:59 |
| unique311 | dude stop | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | It’s in your sad smile | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | Some stars in your eyes | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | Nothing to be told | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | You forget my world | 10:00 |
| Fang64 | wow, he's not very smart doing that | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | When you feel so lost | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | Memoirs full of ghosts | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | Trying to make you lie | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | ‘Cause my love won’t die | 10:00 |
| unique311 | lol | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | [BRIDGE] | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | I don’t know what you mean | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | You are closed in my dreams | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | You’re my love for all life | 10:00 |
| unique311 | stop | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | Which lasts only a long night | 10:00 |
| Fang64 | or did you cut and paste all the lyrics lol | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | REFRAIN] | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | You never trust the night | 10:00 |
| Fang64 | mirc won't quick | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | You can’t control the time | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | You fight to get some more | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | But should just trust in love | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | And when you close your eyes | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | Why can’t I hold you tight? | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | It’s something you can’t hide | 10:00 |
| Fang64 | quit* | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | It’s you and I | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | And when it seems too late | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | For your sweet dreams to save | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | You will see me in your mind | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | I’m gonna make you mine | 10:00 |
| d^_^B | Then please don’t say goodbye | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | Don’t’ wanna see you cry | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | Just try to save this while | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | It’s you and I | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | [VERSES] | 10:01 |
| unique311 | can't kick him | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | Clocks in everyone | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | Minutes one by one | 10:01 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | When you feel so fine | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | You must close your eyes | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | Never waist frail whiles | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | From your fears you hide | 10:01 |
| unique311 | still going | 10:01 |
| unique311 | lol | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | Know I am you’re man | 10:01 |
| Fang64 | omg | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | Trust and seize my hand | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | [OUTRO] | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | I don’t know where we go | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | In a dream that we saw | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | Hand in hand we can fly | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | To a land where you’re mine | 10:01 |
| unique311 | oh yeah it is dance. | 10:01 |
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| d^_^B | sorry it was auto | 10:01 |
| unique311 | 10 minute songs | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | very sorry | 10:01 |
| d^_^B | but read it please then tell me ur opinion | 10:01 |
| unique311 | dude never do that in here | 10:01 |
| Fang64 | just out of curiousity what kind of rap do you listen to unique311 | 10:01 |
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| unique311 | doesn't matter....like i stated a little while ago. | 10:02 |
| Fang64 | best to do private message X.x | 10:02 |
| unique311 | if it has a good enough beat for me to move my head to. | 10:02 |
| unique311 | i'll listen to it. | 10:02 |
| Fang64 | just curious I find the lyrics annoying in alot of it | 10:03 |
| unique311 | d^_^B, next time use pastebin.ca or PM | 10:03 |
| unique311 | thats every music genre | 10:03 |
| unique311 | not only hip hop | 10:03 |
| Fang64 | true | 10:03 |
| Fang64 | then again alot of people find what I listen to quite offensive lol | 10:03 |
| unique311 | heh | 10:03 |
| Fang64 | then again not all death metal is reflected by Cannibal Corpse | 10:04 |
| unique311 | sometimes i don't even listen to the tune for the lyrics | 10:04 |
| Fang64 | or so on controversal death metal | 10:04 |
| unique311 | actually thats most of the time. | 10:04 |
| Fang64 | post rock is more fun because of that | 10:04 |
| unique311 | the beat alone does it for me. | 10:04 |
| Fang64 | no lyrics | 10:04 |
| unique311 | k, with rock | 10:04 |
| Fang64 | post rock can cross into industrial tecno a bit | 10:04 |
| unique311 | i can listen to a guitar solo, or a drum solo and be happy. | 10:04 |
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| Fang64 | 64daysofstatic is a good example | 10:04 |
| Fang64 | 65* | 10:05 |
| Fang64 | ah | 10:05 |
| Fang64 | ever heard of Example? | 10:05 |
| unique311 | nah. | 10:05 |
| Fang64 | it's about the only rap I've been listening to lately | 10:05 |
| Fang64 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOOl08NQWU8 | 10:05 |
| Fang64 | check that out | 10:05 |
| unique311 | cool | 10:06 |
| unique311 | thats another thing i don't understand. | 10:06 |
| unique311 | hiphop is really hated, everyone knows this. | 10:06 |
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| Fang64 | he filmed it in Chernobyl and i think it shows rap can be constructive | 10:07 |
| Fang64 | taking quite alot of risk | 10:07 |
| Fang64 | The Streets is another rapper I like both in the british hip-hop/rap scene | 10:07 |
| unique311 | take a look at the billboards tops of the year charts from the 60s to now. | 10:07 |
| Fang64 | well Mike Skinner lol | 10:07 |
| Fang64 | indeed | 10:07 |
| unique311 | hiphop is all over the billboard charts now | 10:08 |
| unique311 | if its not there alone, its mixed with another genre and called a remix. lol | 10:09 |
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| Fang64 | you got a point | 10:09 |
| Fang64 | rock and metal are trying to hold on though | 10:09 |
| unique311 | rock and metal is not going anywhere. | 10:09 |
| Fang64 | unless it's a sell out | 10:10 |
| Fang64 | nickelback lol | 10:10 |
| unique311 | mtv won't let that happen. | 10:10 |
| unique311 | lol | 10:10 |
| Fang64 | *cough cough* | 10:10 |
| Fang64 | well your real metal bands succeed over seas | 10:10 |
| unique311 | that was a cool tune. by example. | 10:10 |
| Fang64 | in sweden etc. | 10:10 |
| Fang64 | he has a good album out | 10:10 |
| Fang64 | quite impressive for a college student in fulham | 10:10 |
| unique311 | hiphop over here in the states i think was heading that route. | 10:11 |
| Fang64 | lol he used a pirated copy of Cubase to get started with his buddy rusher | 10:11 |
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| Fang64 | it tried too | 10:11 |
| unique311 | but money is not in talking righteous. | 10:11 |
| unique311 | contraversy sells records | 10:11 |
| unique311 | beef | 10:11 |
| Fang64 | Dave Chapelle put on a show for those few who had some righteous language | 10:11 |
| unique311 | yes | 10:11 |
| Fang64 | Bloc Party was awesome | 10:12 |
| unique311 | ur mos defs | 10:12 |
| unique311 | talib | 10:12 |
| unique311 | common | 10:12 |
| Fang64 | indeed | 10:12 |
| unique311 | roots | 10:12 |
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| Luria | crap, modest is going nuts again | 10:12 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:12 |
| Luria | anyone have modest installed? | 10:12 |
| unique311 | mail client? | 10:12 |
| Luria | yeah | 10:12 |
| unique311 | why not use the default. ?? | 10:12 |
| Fang64 | Lupe Fiasco looks like he might be in that crowd, uhmm I haven't had any trouble | 10:12 |
| Fang64 | from Modest | 10:13 |
| Fang64 | I'm using it | 10:13 |
| Luria | cause of imap-idle | 10:13 |
| Fang64 | what's it doing? | 10:13 |
| Fang64 | oh your using imap don't have that setup | 10:13 |
| Fang64 | still usng pop3 | 10:13 |
| Luria | i have this terrible bug where the mail notification goes nuts for 5 minutes | 10:13 |
| Fang64 | accessing gmail? | 10:13 |
| Luria | even when not using the default client | 10:14 |
| Fang64 | uhm | 10:14 |
| Fang64 | odd | 10:14 |
| Luria | no, dreamhost | 10:14 |
| Luria | it beeps on *every* message, read or unread | 10:14 |
| Fang64 | I heard that modest doesn't update reads on mail or is that the default client I am confusing with | 10:14 |
| Fang64 | at least on imap | 10:14 |
| Fang64 | so it ends up leaving notifications | 10:14 |
| Luria | once every day or two | 10:14 |
| Fang64 | dunno I would check into that | 10:16 |
| Luria | so the nokia starts beeping like mad and becomes really slow | 10:16 |
| Fang64 | it's either the default client that has the bug or the modest client | 10:16 |
| Fang64 | it's listed as a known issue | 10:16 |
| Fang64 | (the reason I'm not using imap on gmail yet) | 10:16 |
| Luria | ah | 10:16 |
| Luria | but pop blows :-) | 10:16 |
| Fang64 | yah | 10:16 |
| Fang64 | I know | 10:16 |
| Luria | and is usually insecure | 10:16 |
| Fang64 | pop does blow lol | 10:16 |
| Fang64 | well gmail is secured | 10:17 |
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| Fang64 | with ssl stack | 10:17 |
| Fang64 | that's a minor improvement | 10:17 |
| Luria | creditials or the whole session? | 10:17 |
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| Fang64 | the creditials | 10:18 |
| Fang64 | I can see your point | 10:18 |
| Fang64 | credentials* | 10:19 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:19 |
| Luria | er yeah, sp | 10:19 |
| Luria | but im on my tiny BT keyboard, so i'm entitled | 10:19 |
| Fang64 | I don't have anything critical | 10:19 |
| Fang64 | at least secure that I worry about | 10:20 |
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| Luria | yeah, but i believe in security. plus there are dumb merchants that email private data. | 10:20 |
| Fang64 | ah, I have a seperate email account I use for that on my main desktop | 10:20 |
| Luria | bad enough it's sent smtp, but do i have to collect all the data in one place for an attacker? | 10:21 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:21 |
| Fang64 | my main email is used for one purpose | 10:21 |
| Fang64 | communication | 10:21 |
| Fang64 | my other email is used for purchases and important information | 10:22 |
| Fang64 | PGP etc etc. | 10:22 |
| Luria | still, not everyone has the benefit of such discrete separation | 10:22 |
| Fang64 | true | 10:22 |
| Fang64 | I had this setup from the get go though | 10:23 |
| Fang64 | I have a lack of faith in much of the email system in general | 10:23 |
| Luria | that and the lack of an abiword build for chinook are my two problems | 10:23 |
| Fang64 | uhm that could be a problem | 10:23 |
| Fang64 | dual boot lol | 10:24 |
| Fang64 | ? | 10:24 |
| Luria | i need to get around to rebuilding a x-compile machine | 10:24 |
| Fang64 | that is a major headache | 10:24 |
| Luria | yeah, thats why it never gets done | 10:24 |
| Luria | there is a headless p4r/1.4 debian box sitting on my network | 10:24 |
| Luria | doing nothing but drawing power. | 10:25 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:25 |
| Luria | otoh, it has great uptime. | 10:25 |
| Fang64 | I used to run a few sparcstations headless | 10:25 |
| Fang64 | till I sold them to a local ISP | 10:25 |
| Fang64 | I got one sitting around doing nothing | 10:25 |
| Luria | cause when im home, i want to play games, and when im away, i dont feel like vpn/vnc on my n800 | 10:26 |
| Luria | i have a sparc 5 pizza box too | 10:26 |
| Fang64 | hehe | 10:26 |
| Fang64 | yup those things are fun | 10:26 |
| Luria | i inherited it from a buddy who left nj for vt | 10:26 |
| Fang64 | mine were purchased from an Aircraft building company | 10:26 |
| Fang64 | I got them at 50 bucks a pop | 10:26 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:26 |
| Luria | its been on only to have solaris installed and then i havent used it | 10:26 |
| Fang64 | ended up selling them to a local ISP | 10:27 |
| Fang64 | who wanted them really badly | 10:27 |
| Luria | mostly because i dont have a long enough ethernet cable | 10:27 |
| Fang64 | I was using them | 10:27 |
| Luria | ha - this box lived the reverse life | 10:27 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:27 |
| Luria | my buddy moved into a loft in hoboken | 10:27 |
| Luria | it was a failed local isp | 10:27 |
| Fang64 | wow what a coincidence lol | 10:28 |
| Luria | he kept the machines, left and gave them to me | 10:28 |
| Luria | i got a nextslab, quadra, the first g3, and the sparc | 10:28 |
| Fang64 | nice | 10:29 |
| Fang64 | I never went the mac route so I can say I've only owned one mac | 10:29 |
| Fang64 | and it was a intel mac | 10:29 |
| Luria | oh and a netfinity server | 10:29 |
| Fang64 | that was recent purchase though | 10:29 |
| Luria | i dislike macs | 10:29 |
| Fang64 | same | 10:29 |
| Luria | i have a few hacker friends who love them, and they have legit reasons | 10:29 |
| Fang64 | I have a proliant server with 2 Pentium Pros in it somewhere | 10:30 |
| Fang64 | packing around 8gb of ram | 10:30 |
| Luria | but most mac users are dicks | 10:30 |
| Fang64 | ah the only people I know who use the macs are for hackish reasons | 10:30 |
| Fang64 | the rest I could uh ignore lol for sanity reasons | 10:30 |
| Luria | actually, the netfinity is nice - its a dual p3, but i dont have the damn kvm cable | 10:30 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:30 |
| Fang64 | my proliants are headless | 10:30 |
| Fang64 | they have about 4 ethernet ports one seperate for a console connection ( the video comes through a webbrowser ) | 10:31 |
| Luria | but it makes a nice brushed steel table extension for the monitor and speakers for my ubuntu box | 10:31 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:31 |
| Fang64 | I setup an oscar with them for fun | 10:31 |
| Fang64 | one of them caught fire ( dunno how really ) | 10:32 |
| Fang64 | they were in a machineshop though lol | 10:32 |
| Luria | uhhhh | 10:32 |
| Fang64 | probably had grease or something in them | 10:32 |
| Luria | yeah | 10:32 |
| Fang64 | I would have cleaned them out but at the time | 10:32 |
| Fang64 | I wanted to find a use for them | 10:32 |
| Fang64 | that was a fail | 10:32 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:32 |
| Luria | ive only cause two computers to smoke in my life | 10:32 |
| Fang64 | <-- only caused those used servers to catch fire | 10:32 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:32 |
| Luria | in 24 years of computing | 10:33 |
| Fang64 | ah not that old yet | 10:33 |
| Fang64 | I've had about 12~14 years with computers | 10:33 |
| Luria | one was a compaq 4/66 running open | 10:33 |
| Fang64 | I was put in front of one when I was a kid so I was a bit forced | 10:33 |
| Luria | me too | 10:33 |
| Luria | only i was in front of an apple II+ | 10:34 |
| Fang64 | started using them when I was 7~8 | 10:34 |
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| Luria | or an IIe, i dont recall offhand | 10:34 |
| Fang64 | I started on a Commadore 64 lol | 10:34 |
| Fang64 | learned basic | 10:34 |
| Luria | no logo? :-) | 10:35 |
| Fang64 | moved up to a AT&T machine a 286 with a 120mb hard drive | 10:35 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:35 |
| Fang64 | which was impressive to me at the time | 10:35 |
| Fang64 | ? | 10:35 |
| Fang64 | no it was a real Commadore 64 | 10:35 |
| Fang64 | it was a christmas gift to me | 10:35 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:35 |
| Luria | wow, my first x86 was a 286 hand me down with a double height 20mb drive | 10:36 |
| Luria | no, LOGO | 10:36 |
| Fang64 | this one came from a auction | 10:36 |
| Luria | damn, now i feel old | 10:36 |
| Fang64 | didn't no much about it | 10:36 |
| Fang64 | just loaded up dos | 10:36 |
| Fang64 | and went with it | 10:36 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:36 |
| Luria | a turtle, lisp like commands? | 10:36 |
| Fang64 | nope | 10:36 |
| Fang64 | blue AT&T logo lol | 10:36 |
| Luria | go wikipedia it | 10:36 |
| Fang64 | k | 10:37 |
| Luria | no, logo is a programming language | 10:37 |
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| Fang64 | I definitely don't know what that is | 10:37 |
| Luria | used to be very popular to teach to kids | 10:37 |
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| Fang64 | I kind of stuck with basic till my brother talked me into learning Assembly | 10:37 |
| Fang64 | ah | 10:37 |
| Dr_Loh1 | _ | 10:37 |
| Fang64 | never even heard of it | 10:37 |
| d^_^B | Is There someone From Dubai/UAE? | 10:38 |
| Luria | sorry, no one that rich here. | 10:38 |
| Fang64 | uh not me | 10:38 |
| Luria | we'd be in #oqo, not #maemo | 10:38 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:38 |
| Luria | *chuckle* | 10:39 |
| d^_^B | l.o.l | 10:39 |
| Luria | actually, if i take a job i'm considering, i may get an oqo | 10:40 |
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| Luria | or a flipstart | 10:40 |
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| Fang64 | interesting | 10:41 |
| Fang64 | never knew about LOGO | 10:42 |
| trickie | does anyone know if there is a maemo package of elfutils anywhere? | 10:42 |
| Luria | dunno, there's no real reason to teach it | 10:42 |
| Luria | just teach kids python | 10:42 |
| Fang64 | ah | 10:42 |
| trickie | i been trying to compile systemtap in the ARMEL target of scratchbox... and im having trouble getting elfutils to compile | 10:43 |
| Fang64 | python isn't that hard to learn though at least coming from c++ | 10:43 |
| Fang64 | btw the assembly I know is about useless anyway | 10:43 |
| melmoth | trickie: i think there s already a "port" of systemtap for maemo | 10:43 |
| Luria | yes, c++ is the best | 10:43 |
| Fang64 | it's for the TMS370 specifically ( mainly used for Direct TV) | 10:43 |
| Fang64 | I quit that mess after I discovered what I was doing was quite illegal lol | 10:44 |
| Luria | im a bit ashamed i never learned assembly | 10:44 |
| Luria | maybe ill take up arm programming | 10:44 |
| Fang64 | well I was kind of talked into learning I think my brother knew what it could be used for | 10:44 |
| trickie | melmoth, any pointers on where to look... i already have a kernel with kprobes built and flashed | 10:44 |
| Fang64 | decrypting television feeds lol | 10:45 |
| Luria | nice | 10:45 |
| melmoth | http://www.nabble.com/Kprobes-and-Maemo-%28N800%29-to11540348.html | 10:45 |
| Fang64 | useless now since they don't even use that chip anymore lol | 10:45 |
| melmoth | trickie: that s the best link i found :-( | 10:45 |
| Fang64 | although I like C++ | 10:45 |
| Luria | if anyone has a functioning dev box handy, would you mind doing: http://www.cleardefinition.com/page/Build_AbiWord_for_Maemo/ | 10:45 |
| trickie | melmoth, yeah, i followed that to get a new kernel built... i have the latest kprobes for arm included | 10:46 |
| trickie | i just need to get systemtap compiled in scratchbox | 10:47 |
| Luria | Fang64, whats nice is, you can just code c and bother with classes if you want them | 10:47 |
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| trickie | oh well, maybe i just keep playing and see if i can get a .deb for others as well | 10:47 |
| Fang64 | lol | 10:47 |
| Fang64 | yah | 10:47 |
| melmoth | trickie: i know nothing about system tap on maemo, i just know the guy who used to play with it :) | 10:47 |
| trickie | melmoth, sure... its a bit of black art at the moment | 10:48 |
| trickie | i'll see what i can do... maybe write it all up on maemo.org wiki page if i get somewhere | 10:48 |
| trickie | Luria, you need someone to test out that build? | 10:49 |
| Luria | i would appreciate someone doing that - ill risk the install :-) | 10:50 |
| trickie | ill see what i can do... any particular location to get the source for libfribidi0 and libwv | 10:51 |
| trickie | ? | 10:51 |
| Luria | not offhand. | 10:52 |
| Luria | :-/ | 10:52 |
| trickie | k | 10:52 |
| Luria | i just havent seen anyone make a deb from those instructions and i havent had the time or opportunity to build a dev box | 10:54 |
| trickie | okay, my debian packaging skills are a little rusty... haven't done it in a while | 10:54 |
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| trickie | do people use any of the armel packages in debian sid? | 10:55 |
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| Luria | outside of cli stuff, is that possible? | 10:55 |
| trickie | im not sure | 10:55 |
| trickie | but would be handy if so... | 10:55 |
| trickie | im mainly intersted in libs... | 10:56 |
| Luria | or a good way to find oneself in dependancy hell | 10:56 |
| Luria | :-) | 10:56 |
| trickie | yeah thats the prob i think | 10:56 |
| atlas_n810 | Hello | 10:56 |
| atlas_n810 | What is the best client for my imap account? | 10:57 |
| Luria | you know if there is any work on an angstrom "port" for the ITs | 10:57 |
| Luria | atlas_n810, you missed it :-) | 10:57 |
| Luria | depends what you want | 10:57 |
| atlas_n810 | Modest and default client take long long time | 10:57 |
| atlas_n810 | I must check with pop3? | 10:58 |
| atlas_n810 | Is it faster? | 10:58 |
| Luria | modest is great but buggy, default blows but works (for inbox only) and | 10:58 |
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| trickie | Luria, whats angstrom? | 10:58 |
| Luria | then there is clawsmail, which is great, but more of a desktop style app | 10:58 |
| atlas_n810 | Yes | 10:59 |
| Luria | and must be running to give incoming notifications | 10:59 |
| atlas_n810 | I have test it too | 10:59 |
| Luria | those are the three gui options | 10:59 |
| atlas_n810 | It is for dedktop :s | 10:59 |
| trickie | i saw there is an alpine port for maemo | 10:59 |
| Luria | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ | 10:59 |
| trickie | if you like cli style mail apps | 11:00 |
| atlas_n810 | I like cli but no on my tabletpc :( | 11:00 |
| atlas_n810 | I have lot of mail but range by folder with imap | 11:01 |
| Luria | i used the predecessor of angstrom on my zaurus | 11:01 |
| Luria | claws mail is very fast | 11:01 |
| Luria | well, much faster than the others | 11:01 |
| atlas_n810 | Yes,so modest must use the same technology i hope :p | 11:01 |
| trickie | http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromAndN800 | 11:02 |
| atlas_n810 | Ok thx for this luria | 11:02 |
| Luria | np | 11:02 |
| Luria | hth | 11:02 |
| trickie | modest uses tinymail | 11:02 |
| atlas_n810 | Another thing,about msn.. | 11:03 |
| atlas_n810 | I don't want to use pidgin | 11:03 |
| atlas_n810 | I use telepathy plugin | 11:03 |
| Luria | i havent tried it yet | 11:03 |
| atlas_n810 | If someone speak to me this work | 11:03 |
| Luria | oh cool | 11:03 |
| Luria | http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromAndN800 | 11:03 |
| Luria | trickie, take a look | 11:04 |
| atlas_n810 | But for the moment (just for the moment i hope) we can't see who is online etc :( | 11:04 |
| Luria | no touchscreen is a bit of a deal breaker tho | 11:04 |
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| atlas95 | could you repast the link Luria please :D | 11:06 |
| Luria | which? | 11:06 |
| atlas95 | cli app .. | 11:06 |
| atlas95 | angstrom | 11:06 |
| d^_^B | guys | 11:06 |
| Luria | angstrom isnt a cli app | 11:06 |
| d^_^B | divx xvid files can work on n810? | 11:06 |
| Luria | its an embedded linux distro | 11:06 |
| d^_^B | .... | 11:06 |
| atlas95 | ho ok :D: | 11:07 |
| Luria | there was another conversation going on :-) | 11:07 |
| d^_^B | divx xvid files can work on n810? yes? | 11:07 |
| trickie | Luria, yeah no touchscreen is no good | 11:07 |
| Luria | xvids are ok, provided you encode them right | 11:07 |
| Luria | and better with mplayer, typically | 11:08 |
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| trickie | d^_^B, http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html | 11:08 |
| trickie | id use that to convert them first | 11:08 |
| d^_^B | yes cos i read: | 11:08 |
| Luria | i like how they have a e17 wm version | 11:08 |
| d^_^B | Here's the same clip from the Google Video window shown above it. It's not perfectly smooth but the capacity is impressive nonetheless. There's still no native support for DivX or XviD, but Nokia is giving us a free download to take care of that: Video Converter. Expect a video demonstration of that application on this blog within a week. | 11:08 |
| d^_^B | WRONG? | 11:08 |
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| d^_^B | or it is only for internet google videos | 11:09 |
| atlas95 | tablet-encode don't work for me, i use a personnal ffmpg script | 11:09 |
| d^_^B | infact if i put a divx movie then can it work on n810? | 11:10 |
| atlas95 | if you use nautilus action I can send you a script | 11:10 |
| Luria | i use tablet encode, but i used to use virtualdub | 11:10 |
| trickie | d^_^B, i have never used the nokia video converter, so i do not know | 11:10 |
| atlas95 | beurk windows user :p | 11:11 |
| Luria | the community one is great tho | 11:11 |
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| d^_^B | Supported video formats: 3GP, AVI..............finally N810 can play Avi files or no? | 11:11 |
| Luria | but if i want to do anything more than just adapt the bitrate, i go with virtualdub | 11:12 |
| d^_^B | Avi = Divx = Xvid | 11:12 |
| Luria | 3gp never works | 11:12 |
| AD-N770 | avi it's only container | 11:12 |
| Luria | no, avi is a container, xvid is a mpeg4r codec | 11:12 |
| AD-N770 | depends on the codec and the size of the video | 11:12 |
| Luria | heh. favorite geek quibble. | 11:13 |
| d^_^B | trickie my mean is not for the nokia video converter i said about this file on n810 | 11:13 |
| Luria | never say die! (or ogg) | 11:13 |
| Luria | smokey time | 11:14 |
| trickie | d^_^B, well tablet-encode has managed to re-encode everything i have thrown at it | 11:14 |
| trickie | and the result ran on my n800 | 11:14 |
| trickie | Luria, agreed | 11:14 |
| trickie | bbs | 11:14 |
| d^_^B | MPEG-1, MPEG-4 codec are available in n810 | 11:14 |
| Luria | why would you use mpeg1 on an IT? | 11:15 |
| Luria | thats like flac on earbuds | 11:15 |
| d^_^B | EXAMPLE THIS NEW RELEASES The.Brave.One.DVDRIp.XviD-NeDiVx CAN WORK ON N810? | 11:15 |
| atlas_n810 | Reencode it§ | 11:15 |
| atlas_n810 | For win space and speed the play | 11:16 |
| d^_^B | or Good.Luck.Chuck.UNRATED.DVDRip.XviD-DiAMOND | 11:16 |
| atlas_n810 | Resize it | 11:16 |
| d^_^B | ° ViDEO : 812 kbps xvid ÞÛ²Ý | 11:16 |
| d^_^B | °°° AUDiO : 146 kbps mp3 Þ²ÛÝ | 11:16 |
| d^_^B | °²² RESOLUTiON : 560x320 (1.750:1) ÞÛÛÝ | 11:16 |
| atlas_n810 | And use mpg4 for video and mp3 for sound,15fps | 11:16 |
| d^_^B | can it work? or no without any video converter just put it on n810 | 11:17 |
| atlas_n810 | I reduce by 3 the size | 11:17 |
| d^_^B | my mean is native play and without any convert | 11:17 |
| d^_^B | possible or no? | 11:18 |
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| d^_^B | ? | 11:18 |
| atlas_n810 | Read....... | 11:19 |
| d^_^B | hellooo | 11:19 |
| AD-N770 | try it | 11:19 |
| d^_^B | atlas_n810 | 11:20 |
| d^_^B | well do u have a new n810 yes? | 11:20 |
| d^_^B | tell me have u ever watched it? | 11:20 |
| d^_^B | put a movie like Good.Luck.Chuck.UNRATED.DVDRip.XviD-DiAMOND and watch it? | 11:20 |
| atlas_n810 | I encode All my video ! | 11:21 |
| d^_^B | my mean is native and original play on n810 and without any tools or converter | 11:21 |
| atlas_n810 | I have allready say you what i have watch | 11:21 |
| d^_^B | encode with what? | 11:21 |
| atlas_n810 | Encoded video encoded video | 11:21 |
| atlas_n810 | Handly | 11:21 |
| atlas_n810 | With a personnal script undr linux | 11:21 |
| d^_^B | i got it | 11:21 |
| atlas_n810 | Understand guy? | 11:21 |
| d^_^B | cool | 11:22 |
| d^_^B | yes | 11:22 |
| d^_^B | so i just need to put this script to n810? | 11:22 |
| AD-N770 | no | 11:22 |
| atlas_n810 | No on your linux distrib | 11:22 |
| atlas_n810 | Use a windows converter if you use xp or vixta.. | 11:22 |
| AD-N770 | you have to use your desktop to transcode the videos before coping it to your IT | 11:22 |
| d^_^B | so where? | 11:23 |
| atlas_n810 | nokia provide a program,ask to windows user sry | 11:23 |
| d^_^B | yes understand now | 11:23 |
| d^_^B | another video converter | 11:23 |
| d^_^B | but are u agree for ur videio quality? | 11:23 |
| atlas_n810 | You muqt have a desktop computer.. | 11:23 |
| d^_^B | can it be high quality on ur n810? | 11:24 |
| atlas_n810 | i go to breakfast,+ | 11:24 |
| atlas_n810 | /Away | 11:24 |
| d^_^B | without any problem | 11:24 |
| d^_^B | ok cya | 11:25 |
| AD-N770 | what's high quality for you? bigger size? higher framerate? | 11:26 |
| d^_^B | nono my mean the same size and quality on pc | 11:26 |
| d^_^B | for n810 | 11:27 |
| d^_^B | original file without any convert | 11:27 |
| d^_^B | and | 11:27 |
| d^_^B | these are lie: | 11:27 |
| d^_^B | Supported audio formats: AAC, MP3, WMA, AMR, AWB, M4A, MP2, RA (RealAudio), WAV | 11:27 |
| d^_^B | Supported video formats: 3GP, AVI, H.263, H.264, MP4, ASF, WMV, MPEG-1, MPEG-4, RV 7/8/9 (RealVideo) | 11:27 |
| d^_^B | lie lie lie????/ | 11:27 |
| AD-N770 | it's not a lie | 11:28 |
| d^_^B | n810 can play AVI files or no? | 11:28 |
| d^_^B | cos avi files = xvid = divx files | 11:28 |
| AD-N770 | just you can't compare a desktop 3Ghz with an arm 400MHz | 11:28 |
| d^_^B | MPEG-4 is include on 810 too | 11:28 |
| AD-N770 | and avi is just a container | 11:28 |
| AD-N770 | mpeg4 is a video codec | 11:29 |
| d^_^B | so can it play finally avil divx file or no? | 11:29 |
| AD-N770 | if you mix concepts you won't understand it | 11:29 |
| d^_^B | so tell me which are the best video converters for n810? | 11:30 |
| Luria | sigh. | 11:30 |
| AD-N770 | divx is mpeg4 so you can play it | 11:30 |
| AD-N770 | but you can play a clip 720x400 at 30 fps | 11:30 |
| AD-N770 | you can't | 11:30 |
| AD-N770 | on the IT there's not enough cpu power to decode it | 11:31 |
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| Luria | ive done some 24fps xvids | 11:31 |
| d^_^B | oh yes | 11:31 |
| Luria | you just have to watch the bitrate | 11:31 |
| d^_^B | u right | 11:31 |
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| Luria | 600k is the practical limit | 11:32 |
| d^_^B | and the best video converter for n810?? | 11:32 |
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| rm_you | if you use the 770-encode or tablet-encode script, i have found the following to be a very effective profile: | 11:32 |
| Luria | what platform? | 11:32 |
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| rm_you | n800 => { abitrate => 128, vbitrate => 1400, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 }, | 11:33 |
| rm_you | that's very high bitrate and fps, and with hardware pixel doubling, it looks BEAUTIFUL :) | 11:33 |
| rm_you | i hope that's on topic, as i really only caught the tail end of your conversation :P | 11:34 |
| d^_^B | width => 400, height => 240????? | 11:34 |
| rm_you | yes | 11:34 |
| d^_^B | but full screen | 11:34 |
| rm_you | 400x2 = 800, 240x2 = 480 | 11:34 |
| rm_you | at that high bitrate and with the hardware pixel doubling, it seriously looks *awesome* | 11:34 |
| d^_^B | yes it's cool | 11:34 |
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| rm_you | if you try to go above 400x240, it will exceed the bandwidth of the bus the graphics chip is on and it will slow way down | 11:35 |
| Luria | depends. ive done higher resolutions, but at lower fps | 11:36 |
| rm_you | right, but the tradeoff isn't worth it | 11:36 |
| rm_you | you have to drop to 20ish fps and significantly lower the bitrate to see comparable speeds | 11:36 |
| rm_you | i think i have a graph somewhere from my testing.... | 11:37 |
| Luria | though for tv your approach is best | 11:39 |
| AD-N770 | one of the hardest clip that I played fine on my N800/IT2k8 is video/x-wmv, wmvversion=(int)3, framerate=(fraction)25/1, width=(int)320, height=(int)240, format=(fourcc)WMV3, pixel-aspect-ratio=(fraction)1/1, bitrate=(int)707705 | 11:40 |
| Luria | if you have a movie at 24... | 11:40 |
| AD-N770 | and audio/x-wma, wmaversion=(int)2, rate=(int)44100, channels=(int)2, bitrate=(int)48024, depth=(int)16 | 11:40 |
| rm_you | well, the best test is to do it yourself and se | 11:41 |
| rm_you | *see | 11:41 |
| rm_you | just take that line, throw it into 770-encode, and run it on something | 11:41 |
| Luria | btw | 11:41 |
| Luria | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediaconverter/ is handy | 11:41 |
| rm_you | and check out the result on your n800 | 11:41 |
| Luria | (i know you guys know, but the question was asked) | 11:41 |
| atlas_n810 | Beurkk java :X | 11:42 |
| rm_you | i'm all for experimentation, so if you think you have something better, PLEASE compare that line to yours, and send me your encoding scheme so i can try it out :P | 11:42 |
| rm_you | i've spent days trying to come up with the best settings | 11:42 |
| Luria | christ, media player has gone nuts | 11:42 |
| Luria | is there a way for me to manually force a media rescan | 11:42 |
| rm_you | you use media player for videos? >_> | 11:43 |
| rm_you | does that work? | 11:43 |
| rm_you | it always lags me to death <_< | 11:43 |
| Luria | no, for audio | 11:43 |
| Luria | mplayer for vids | 11:43 |
| rm_you | ah | 11:44 |
| Luria | actually, the only video i have is the n810 promo, just to show people | 11:44 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:44 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:44 |
| rm_you | morning :) | 11:45 |
| Luria | So, no one has a way to force media player to scan? | 11:45 |
| Luria | "unable to complete operation" is all i get, along with a blank library | 11:45 |
| rm_you | :( | 11:45 |
| rm_you | can you remove its settings/cache? | 11:46 |
| Luria | i dont know | 11:46 |
| Luria | ive never gotten into its innards and there isnt much in the way of menu options | 11:47 |
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| Jaffa | Double click on the file from within File Manager? | 11:51 |
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| Cptnodegard | does using BT use a lot of power, if there is no activity? | 12:11 |
| ptman | BT is designed to be very low power | 12:13 |
| Cptnodegard | ah, thx | 12:14 |
| Cptnodegard | i usually put the whole thing to offline mode when i dont use it | 12:14 |
| Cptnodegard | ...which includes BT yes :D | 12:15 |
| keesj | hmm, i see | 12:16 |
| keesj | I have played with a palm tungsten during the holiday | 12:16 |
| keesj | I really loved the way it worked , not complicated things like offline modes etc. it just keeps running for a long week | 12:17 |
| * Jaffa thinks his N810's battery life has increased suckiness since installing Modest | 12:17 | |
| keesj | one button to lock/unlock , no "save file" dialogs. I must say... | 12:17 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, the Psions were similar (although they had save dialogues, you didn't usually need to use them) | 12:17 |
| keesj | I really missed irc :) | 12:17 |
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| Jaffa | Yeah, I hated PalmOS for its lack of multitasking; couldn't have an IRC window or SSH window open in the background whilst browsing the web. Was a deal-breaker for me. | 12:18 |
| Cptnodegard | palms are toys compared to ITs | 12:18 |
| Cptnodegard | palms are 2-3" cellphones | 12:19 |
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| keesj | even cheking my gmail was very fast (special pages made for the palm I think) but it really is a one touch operation and withint 5 seconds i know if i have mail | 12:19 |
| Cptnodegard | ITT's are 4-5" computers | 12:19 |
| atlas95 | I have in uninstall modest, and set gmail on the default client in pop ... | 12:19 |
| atlas95 | I have do it :( | 12:19 |
| atlas95 | I hope modest will be better :) | 12:19 |
| keesj | pop? why not imap? | 12:19 |
| atlas95 | too too too long to response | 12:20 |
| Cptnodegard | keesj, the gmail notifyer beats 5 seconds :p | 12:20 |
| Jaffa | osso-email sucks for IMAP | 12:20 |
| atlas95 | osso-email is the default client? | 12:20 |
| keesj | I always hava mail so the gmail notifier it pretty useless | 12:20 |
| keesj | have | 12:20 |
| Jaffa | atlas95: yeah | 12:20 |
| Cptnodegard | then its an issue of cleanup :) | 12:20 |
| atlas95 | osso-email is good ok, but too long to reponse in imap yet, AND it doesn't support imap folder .. | 12:21 |
| Cptnodegard | does osso even support gmail? | 12:21 |
| atlas95 | it is the must important thing in my mbox | 12:21 |
| AD-N770 | soume one could try to install this(http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/IT2008/tuner_0.0.3_armel.deb) on a n810 and tell me if it works? | 12:21 |
| atlas95 | AD-N770: what is this? for FM? | 12:21 |
| AD-N770 | no, instrument tuner | 12:22 |
| atlas95 | could you repost the link without ( ) please | 12:22 |
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| AD-N770 | same for http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/IT2008/nethack_3.4.3_armel.deb | 12:22 |
| atlas95 | what is netthack? | 12:23 |
| keesj | Cptnodegard: what do you mean by does osso even support gmail? | 12:23 |
| AD-N770 | nethack game | 12:23 |
| atlas95 | http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/IT2008/tuner_0.0.3_armel.deb | 12:23 |
| keesj | He one more "feeling" question | 12:23 |
| AD-N770 | and rpg | 12:23 |
| Cptnodegard | keesj: i read something on the forum, maybe just a confused person. but does gmail work on osso? mine wont connect | 12:23 |
| keesj | I have the feeling that the browser is very slow in connecting/gettin pages | 12:23 |
| AD-N770 | atlas95: http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com/ | 12:23 |
| keesj | do others have this feeling (for example just getting google.com) take way to long IMHO | 12:24 |
| Jaffa | keesj: yes, I'd agree with that | 12:25 |
| Luria | yes | 12:25 |
| Luria | im feeling it right now | 12:25 |
| Luria | and avoid nethack at all costs | 12:26 |
| keesj | my network is messed up but I would like to try and install a proxy server (webscarab) and see what is really taking time) | 12:26 |
| Luria | nethack is the greatest time sinkhole since chess | 12:26 |
| Luria | and elbereth wont save you from that | 12:27 |
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| Luria | that said, it is the best game on maemo | 12:27 |
| atlas95 | AD-N770: nethack work | 12:28 |
| atlas95 | but seem to be a chit game (for me :p) | 12:28 |
| atlas95 | I try the tuner | 12:28 |
| atlas95 | keesj: say me if you try webscarab | 12:30 |
| atlas95 | I have the idea to test a proxy too | 12:31 |
| atlas95 | keesj: ? maybe we can tweak with about:config, pipeling etc, like with firefox, no? | 12:32 |
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| keesj | atlas95: I can not a pressent time , my wifi network does not allow my machines to connect to eachother directly | 12:32 |
| keesj | atlas95: there also must be a simple javasscipt based tool to see what is taking the time | 12:32 |
| atlas95 | tuner didn't run AD-N770 | 12:34 |
| atlas95 | i search why | 12:34 |
| AD-N770 | ups | 12:34 |
| AD-N770 | atlas95: could you run it from an xterm? | 12:35 |
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| atlas95 | i'm doing it | 12:35 |
| atlas95 | oula | 12:35 |
| atlas95 | too many error hmm | 12:35 |
| atlas95 | seems to be gstreamer error | 12:36 |
| AD-N770 | audiotestsrc? | 12:36 |
| atlas95 | ? | 12:36 |
| atlas95 | i run this? | 12:36 |
| atlas95 | i run it in ssh and paste error | 12:37 |
| AD-N770 | ok, thanks | 12:37 |
| atlas95 | rahh, I back, uubntu error | 12:38 |
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| atlas95 | ~ $ tuner | 12:40 |
| atlas95 | tuner[7843]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_set: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed | 12:40 |
| atlas95 | tuner[7843]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GStreamer - gst_bin_add_many: assertion `GST_IS_ELEMENT (element_1)' failed | 12:40 |
| atlas95 | tuner[7843]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GStreamer - gst_element_link_many: assertion `GST_IS_ELEMENT (element_1)' failed | 12:40 |
| atlas95 | cant link elements | 12:40 |
| atlas95 | AD-N770: ? | 12:40 |
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| AD-N770 | atlas95: could you try apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-extra on the device and try it again? | 12:42 |
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| AD-N770 | I think that probably I have a dependency on it for audiotestsrc element | 12:42 |
| atlas95 | with red pill? | 12:43 |
| atlas95 | or blue pill AD-N770? | 12:43 |
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| AD-N770 | it's from maemo repository, with red pill I think | 12:43 |
| atlas95 | installing ... | 12:45 |
| atlas95 | enjoy :D | 12:45 |
| atlas95 | this is working very well | 12:46 |
| atlas95 | what instrument are you playing? | 12:46 |
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| AD-N770 | guitar | 12:47 |
| atlas95 | hmm | 12:47 |
| atlas95 | when I sing near mu n810 | 12:47 |
| atlas95 | tuner say me the nearest note | 12:47 |
| atlas95 | but don't show it on the keyboard | 12:47 |
| atlas95 | do you understand what i want to say? | 12:47 |
| AD-N770 | no, you can use the keyboard to produce tones | 12:48 |
| atlas95 | yes, but I can see what sort of note i'm singing ? | 12:48 |
| Jaffa | If you do apt-get install as root, the red/blue pill mode doesn't make any difference. It's only a setting for the UI of the Application Manager | 12:48 |
| atlas95 | ok Jaffa thx ;) | 12:49 |
| AD-N770 | the led bar and the text message tell you the note and the keyboard is used to produce reference notes | 12:49 |
| atlas95 | ok, :p but i'm note english and i don't play guitar :d | 12:50 |
| atlas95 | i don't understand the text | 12:50 |
| atlas95 | i think C0 is a note.. | 12:50 |
| AD-N770 | A= la | 12:51 |
| AD-N770 | 0 is the octave | 12:51 |
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| AD-N770 | C= do | 12:51 |
| inz | AD, you should make a singstar version of your tuner ^^ | 12:51 |
| atlas95 | B = si ? | 12:51 |
| AD-N770 | yes | 12:51 |
| atlas95 | la si do re mi fa sol la si do re mi fa sol la si :p | 12:52 |
| atlas95 | a b c d e f g ? | 12:52 |
| AD-N770 | yes | 12:52 |
| atlas95 | \o/ | 12:52 |
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| atlas95 | I go to show this to my mum, yesterday, she broke my head because I have buy this gadget 500€ | 12:53 |
| atlas95 | € | 12:53 |
| AD-N770 | do you know how I add the dependency on the debian files? | 12:53 |
| atlas95 | /etc/apt/source.list? | 12:53 |
| atlas95 | like in debian no? | 12:54 |
| AD-N770 | I've to add a dependency on my package to install gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-extra at same time that mine | 12:54 |
| AD-N770 | I think that's something that have to be added on the control file to build my deb package | 12:55 |
| inz | AD, I don't know how you build your packages, but your control file (usually debian/control) should have Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-extra | 12:55 |
| inz | AD, and it should be where you define the _binary_ package | 12:55 |
| AD-N770 | thanks inz, I add it now | 12:55 |
| inz | AD, do note that dependencies aren't istalled automatically if you install from file | 12:56 |
| inz | AD, only when installing from a repository | 12:57 |
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| AD-N770 | inz: if it's installed from a file and the dependency isn't satisfied in the target system, do you know if there's any kind of warning message? | 12:59 |
| inz | AD, there's a failure message | 13:00 |
| AD-N770 | ok, I prefer this | 13:01 |
| Luria | sigh. | 13:02 |
| Luria | new rule - one sokoban level per night | 13:02 |
| Luria | brain is cooked | 13:03 |
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| atlas_n810 | :( Toilet broke my wlan signal | 13:07 |
| Luria | you have one of those microwave toilets? | 13:07 |
| atlas_n810 | Yes lol | 13:08 |
| atlas_n810 | I can chat during i ... | 13:08 |
| atlas_n810 | Can't | 13:08 |
| atlas_n810 | : | 13:09 |
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| atlas_n810 | Is it possible to install tor on maemo? | 13:11 |
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| keesj | juk , I think I found the reason... | 13:29 |
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| Cptnodegard | :3 | 13:34 |
| Cptnodegard | epic fail | 13:34 |
| Cptnodegard | tried to run a HDD off a aaa-usb battery pack | 13:34 |
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| glass | hehe | 13:36 |
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| hircus | Anybody knows what happened to Evince for OS2008? | 13:39 |
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| Cptnodegard | http://www.uxcell.com/mini-usb-keys-keyboard-for-computer-laptop-p-7413.html seems to be a cheap keyboard for n800... 28x16 CM isnt that big | 13:41 |
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| keesj | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2719 | 14:09 |
| keesj | bug about slow loading, and how to use webscarab to test .. | 14:09 |
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| tbf | is there some someware to create an encrypted vault? | 14:13 |
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| sikor_sxe | anyone coded an application with mime-support yet | 14:27 |
| sikor_sxe | ? | 14:27 |
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| Cptnodegard | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 15:20 |
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| Cptnodegard | n800 with 128GB flash memory is theoretically possible | 15:20 |
| Cptnodegard | with current consumer technologies | 15:20 |
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| blahdeblahN801 | Hi. I'm using GPE 2.8 on maemo and it crashes whenever i try to add category. Is this a known bug? I'm using OS2008 on an N800. | 15:21 |
| Cptnodegard | it closes when you press add?= | 15:21 |
| Cptnodegard | mine does to | 15:21 |
| Cptnodegard | too | 15:21 |
| blahdeblahN801 | yep | 15:22 |
| Cptnodegard | yeah dunno whats causing it, dont need categories anyways | 15:22 |
| blahdeblahN801 | I need them! :) | 15:23 |
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| Cptnodegard | lol | 15:24 |
| Cptnodegard | file a bug report if there is something like that | 15:24 |
| sikor_sxe | kulve: around? | 15:24 |
| blahdeblahN801 | I should go look at their bug db | 15:25 |
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| Spacer | anyone know how to access the ambient light sensor? | 15:55 |
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| alterego | Weird, flashing the latest OS2008 from Beta seems to have seriously increased my battery life. | 15:57 |
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| Dregz | I'm about to flash my N800, with fanoush's latest, Can I run it as is, or are there any modules that are recommended? | 16:42 |
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| N800tableteer | Hi all | 16:43 |
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| Dregz | hi | 16:43 |
| Dregz | Has anyone flashed with fanoush's kernel? | 16:44 |
| z72ka_maemo | Dregz, I... my n770 | 16:44 |
| N800tableteer | Anyone change the browser id on this to be msie so I can connect to wellsfargo.com? | 16:44 |
| z72ka_maemo | Dregz, for 52mhz mmc | 16:44 |
| Dregz | z72ka_maemo, did you go with any modules? | 16:45 |
| z72ka_maemo | Dregz, yes, all modules works properly | 16:46 |
| Dregz | great , thanks | 16:46 |
| kulve | sikor_sxe: pong | 16:47 |
| z72ka_maemo | Dregz, this kernel contains only some changes, I recommende it, system boost is good | 16:48 |
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| sikor_sxe | kulve: i read your posts on ITT and on your blog regarding mime-type integration and i wonder wether the mime-support is completely broken in FM or if it's just the priority which is broken | 16:48 |
| kulve | maybe just the priority? It didn't seem to have much of an effect.. | 16:49 |
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| kulve | but I didn't play with it really.. | 16:49 |
| sikor_sxe | i tried your mime testing tool from the bug-report however, and it does not seem to recognize my mime type there aswell :/ | 16:50 |
| Spacer | kulve, you happen to know how to access the ambient light sensor? | 16:51 |
| kulve | Spacer: nope. I don't have n810 yet | 16:51 |
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| kulve | sikor_sxe: you added an xml file including the mime type? And run the update-mime-data-or-something? And added some .desktop file containing that mime type? And run update-hildon-desktop-database-or-something? | 16:52 |
| sikor_sxe | yeah | 16:52 |
| sikor_sxe | and the FM does even cut the file ending for those files | 16:53 |
| sikor_sxe | it just claims there is no app to open it | 16:53 |
| sikor_sxe | rartest.rar is shown as rartest | 16:53 |
| sikor_sxe | ./hildon-mime-summon2 file:///home/user/rartest.rar says "Failed to launch hildon_mime_open_file: 0" tho | 16:56 |
| sikor_sxe | i'm really puzzled here | 16:56 |
| kulve | does the xml file have the glob *.rar? | 16:56 |
| sikor_sxe | <glob pattern="*.rar"/> | 16:57 |
| kulve | does file-command on your desktop recognize that as rar? | 16:58 |
| sikor_sxe | file-command? | 16:58 |
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| sikor_sxe | is file-command a stock app? | 16:59 |
| kulve | which file | 16:59 |
| kulve | /usr/bin/file | 16:59 |
| kulve | yup, very stock | 16:59 |
| sikor_sxe | huh! | 17:01 |
| sikor_sxe | i don't seem to have it installed | 17:01 |
| kulve | odd | 17:01 |
| sikor_sxe | there's no /usr/bin/file or /usr/sbin/file | 17:01 |
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| kulve | comes in a "file" package in debian etch | 17:02 |
| sikor_sxe | it's installed in scratchbox however | 17:02 |
| sikor_sxe | in scratchbox it recognizes it | 17:03 |
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| sikor_sxe | but file doesn't depend on mime, right? | 17:04 |
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| kulve | file --mime | 17:05 |
| sikor_sxe | ../rartest.rar: application/x-rar | 17:06 |
| kulve | so, it seems to be a valid file.. | 17:06 |
| sikor_sxe | yeah, i can open it with my app | 17:07 |
| kulve | then I think you have some mistake while updating the mime stuff to maemo.. | 17:07 |
| kulve | grep rar /usr/share/mime/globs | 17:08 |
| kulve | does that say something on the device? | 17:08 |
| kulve | like this: | 17:08 |
| kulve | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# grep mp3 /usr/share/mime/globs | 17:08 |
| kulve | audio/x-mp3:*.mp3 | 17:08 |
| sikor_sxe | application/x-rar:*.rar | 17:08 |
| sikor_sxe | (on the device) | 17:08 |
| sikor_sxe | and i guess it kind of got the mime type right, since FM displays it without file-ending | 17:09 |
| sikor_sxe | hmm | 17:09 |
| sikor_sxe | the .desktop file could be wrong | 17:09 |
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| kulve | grep Mime /usr/share/applications/hildon/your-app-here.desktop | 17:09 |
| sikor_sxe | MimeType=application/x-rar; | 17:10 |
| sikor_sxe | however the icons and stuff get displayed correctly | 17:10 |
| kulve | is there more than one mime on the MimeType list? Just wondering if the ; is too much.. | 17:12 |
| sikor_sxe | no | 17:12 |
| sikor_sxe | i could try this | 17:12 |
| sikor_sxe | hmm | 17:14 |
| sikor_sxe | MimeType always seems to be terminated with a ; | 17:14 |
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| kulve | not in our app, kilikali.. | 17:14 |
| kulve | MimeType=audio/x-ogg;application/ogg | 17:14 |
| kulve | but maybe it's ok then | 17:14 |
| kulve | and you've run this: | 17:15 |
| kulve | update-desktop-database /usr/share/applications | 17:15 |
| kulve | ? | 17:15 |
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| sikor_sxe | in postinst, yes | 17:16 |
| sikor_sxe | and it gets processed, i checked this yet (put a touch /home/user/postinst.test in it) | 17:17 |
| kulve | just run it by hand and try the mime-summon again | 17:19 |
| kulve | hmm.. I wonder if the mime callback in the app affects this too.. | 17:19 |
| kulve | i.e. your app gets the file through dbus after launched.. | 17:20 |
| sikor_sxe | oh | 17:20 |
| sikor_sxe | i did not implement this callback thingie | 17:20 |
| sikor_sxe | and i totally ignored dbus so far | 17:21 |
| kulve | http://maemo.org/api_refs/3.0/libosso/group__MIME.html#ga1 | 17:22 |
| kulve | I think I never got that working and did the listening directly with dbus | 17:22 |
| sikor_sxe | yeah i read this too, i don't get it however | 17:22 |
| sikor_sxe | what does a callback function in my app have to do with FM recognizing a file and *starting* my app for it | 17:23 |
| kulve | hmm.. | 17:24 |
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| kulve | yeah, I think you are right about that.. It should at least open your app before starting to wonder about dbus stuff.. | 17:24 |
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| sikor_sxe | yeah, that's why i ignored dbus so far, since you open an archive-program when you need it, and you rarely leave it open in the background | 17:25 |
| sikor_sxe | where dbus would step in | 17:25 |
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| sikor_sxe | then again, maybe i'm just wrong about dbus | 17:26 |
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| zuh | D-Bus can activate your app when needed, the program doesn't need to be opened... | 17:28 |
| sikor_sxe | i see | 17:29 |
| sikor_sxe | and i guess that's the mechanism FM uses | 17:30 |
| sikor_sxe | that would explain why my app doesn't even show up on the "select application" list | 17:31 |
| * sikor_sxe reads up on dbus, thanks alot kulve & zuh | 17:32 | |
| zuh | np | 17:32 |
| kulve | sikor_sxe: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html#D-BUS-servicefile | 17:33 |
| kulve | there's something about it | 17:33 |
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| tbf | can i use any bluetooth gps receiver with a N800? | 17:48 |
| zoran | the answer is yes | 17:49 |
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| Palintheus | I would stay away from navman since the pin is 'navman' and you can't use letters on the N800 to pair bluetooth devices | 17:52 |
| Palintheus | s/navman/alphanumeric | 17:52 |
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| alterego | Well, you can ;) | 17:59 |
| alterego | But not using the key pairing facility maemo provides. | 17:59 |
| * Palintheus nods | 18:00 | |
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| tbf | Palintheus: ok | 18:05 |
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| alterego | ffs | 18:14 |
| alterego | Damn tablets-dev is offline. | 18:15 |
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| johnx | alterego, I can reach it | 18:16 |
| alterego | Now where am I supposed to get the N810 image :( | 18:16 |
| alterego | Interesting .. | 18:16 |
| johnx | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 18:16 |
| johnx | I think? Am I missing something? | 18:16 |
| alterego | I'm getting "The service is temporarily unavailable" | 18:16 |
| alterego | Oh, well. Your link works. | 18:17 |
| alterego | Must just be the index page then. | 18:17 |
| d^_^B | GUYS DO U HAVE ANY VIDEO FOR N810? | 18:19 |
| alterego | Video _for_ N810? What do you mean? | 18:19 |
| d^_^B | Just For Watch The n810 | 18:20 |
| d^_^B | no youtube please | 18:20 |
| alterego | What? | 18:21 |
| alterego | What are you talking about? | 18:21 |
| d^_^B | lol come what may | 18:21 |
| d^_^B | a video for show how audio/video can works on n810? | 18:22 |
| alterego | You want a video _of_ the N810? Or a video to play _on_ the N810? | 18:22 |
| alterego | Just download any old video. | 18:22 |
| alterego | mencode a dvd .. | 18:22 |
| d^_^B | yes | 18:23 |
| d^_^B | a video _of_ the N810 | 18:23 |
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| d^_^B | show how it works | 18:23 |
| alterego | http://www.internettablettalk.com/tablet101/2007/11/08/the-nokia-n810-walkthrough/ | 18:23 |
| d^_^B | and specially for audio/video | 18:23 |
| d^_^B | i said NO YOUTUBE | 18:23 |
| alterego | There is no video I know of that demonstrates that. | 18:23 |
| d^_^B | a normal upload file | 18:23 |
| alterego | Why don't you just download that file. | 18:24 |
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| d^_^B | ummm wait please | 18:24 |
| alterego | Anyhow, it's not youtube .. | 18:24 |
| d^_^B | yes tnx | 18:25 |
| d^_^B | and is it for multimedia too? | 18:25 |
| alterego | -_- | 18:25 |
| wnd | Wouldn't it be easier just to watch it and see if it's what you're looking for? | 18:26 |
| d^_^B | yes thank u guys | 18:26 |
| alterego | wnd, no. It's easier to be spoon fed. | 18:26 |
| alterego | Or breast fed, but I don't have breasts. | 18:26 |
| wnd | gaining weight /could/ help with that | 18:27 |
| d^_^B | where is part 2 3... | 18:27 |
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| d^_^B | PART 2? | 18:28 |
| Palintheus | look around on the page..the link is there.... | 18:29 |
| d^_^B | yes yes | 18:29 |
| d^_^B | :''') | 18:29 |
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| alterego | d^_^B, part two is there. | 18:32 |
| alterego | http://blip.tv/file/489532 | 18:32 |
| alterego | Is probably a better location. | 18:32 |
| d^_^B | :* | 18:33 |
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| * alterego wonders when his N810 will arrive. | 18:35 | |
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| alterego | The n810 stylus looks cheap :( | 18:37 |
| alterego | I like the N800 stylus. :/ | 18:37 |
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| tbf | alterego: tell nokia, that they have to do a Montblanc edition of their devices :-D | 18:42 |
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| alterego | Heh | 18:42 |
| johnx | I never got to use an N800 stylus. I got my N800 in a compusa open-box deal | 18:43 |
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| * lcuk pokes his python | 19:00 | |
| Cptnodegard | does any of you consider yourself close to experts on lithium ion batteries? :) | 19:00 |
| alterego | I know a little, I wouldn't say I'm an expert though. | 19:00 |
| lcuk | only thing i know about batteries is if they start to smoke: run - fast | 19:01 |
| Cptnodegard | i read the batteryuniversity article, and composed a thread on our forum about it (for music players). if you have the time, can you read through it and see i havent gotten anything seriousely wrong? http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=201604#post201604 | 19:01 |
| * lcuk wonders what kind of battery he has in his 810 | 19:04 | |
| * lcuk didnt bother to check and now doesnt want to take the back off again (its so flimsy) :S | 19:05 | |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 19:05 |
| lcuk | i know the lipo that my helicopter has enjoys a good workout - fully charged to drained cycles are better than part | 19:06 |
| lcuk | and it needs taking off after its recharged | 19:06 |
| lcuk | but i didnt think it mattered for nokias/phones in general | 19:07 |
| lcuk | lipo charger = direct onto battery, phones/pdas/810 etc = charging circuit | 19:07 |
| * lcuk thinks he is right cos cpts article says so | 19:08 | |
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| Cptnodegard | lol | 19:09 |
| Cptnodegard | here's the full one i read before i posted mine: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm | 19:09 |
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| alterego | lcuk, it's a BP-4L Lithium Ion battery | 19:13 |
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| alterego | Cptnodegard, looks pretty good information wise to me. | 19:15 |
| Cptnodegard | thx :) | 19:17 |
| lcuk | cpt, the only thing i would say (apart from it looks great) is that I personally still recommend people charge their new devices first. if for no other reason than it gives them a chance to sit down (even if for only 5 minutes) and actually read the instructions and prevent any user errors from occuring | 19:18 |
| Cptnodegard | lol! | 19:18 |
| Cptnodegard | thats actually a good point | 19:18 |
| Cptnodegard | ill put that in | 19:18 |
| lcuk | it might be fine from a hardware side, but very important thing to do | 19:18 |
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| bedboi | hi there. | 19:19 |
| lcuk | hi bed | 19:20 |
| Cptnodegard | indee,d put it in :) | 19:20 |
| lcuk | that smiley you used looks like the sticker ive got covering my ambient light sensor | 19:21 |
| * lcuk hates the ambient sensor | 19:22 | |
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| Cptnodegard | lol | 19:26 |
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| omar | anyone know any good repositories with nmap for 0s2008 on n800 ? | 20:02 |
| timelyx | ask gronmayer (see topic) | 20:02 |
| omar | ty | 20:05 |
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| omar | anyone have kismet running in os2008 for n800? | 20:16 |
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| * lcuk wishes python wasn't so difficult to code on the 810 (no tab key) | 20:24 | |
| magicrobotmonkey | i cant get maemo-mapper to use my internal gps | 20:24 |
| magicrobotmonkey | do i have to manually start gpsd? | 20:24 |
| lcuk | internal as in 810? | 20:25 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | yea | 20:25 |
| lcuk | i ended up runnin map which inits it all properly then mmapper will use it | 20:25 |
| alterego | magicrobotmonkey, as the author of maemo mapper does not have an N810, it doesn't currently support it. You'll have to be patient. | 20:25 |
| magicrobotmonkey | ok | 20:26 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | is there any software to log a gps route? | 20:26 |
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| lcuk | there is a section in the wiki about 2007, but from what i gather most '07 code wont work in 08 | 20:28 |
| * lcuk doesn't know of the complexities with getting 07 stuff working in 08 | 20:28 | |
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| lcuk | magic, heres the wiki http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtousegpsframeworkinos2007/ | 20:29 |
| lcuk | if it works for 08 or can be adapted to do so let us know :) | 20:30 |
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| doc|work | I got an 8gb SD card the other day, it was a dud so now I have to RMA it which may take weeks :( | 20:33 |
| magicrobotmonkey | yea im thinking about writing up a quick script to log a route | 20:33 |
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| omar | are there any ports of xboard or other chess games? | 20:37 |
| pupnik_ | there's a default chess game | 20:38 |
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| omar | other than that one | 20:38 |
| omar | i cant stand the theme | 20:39 |
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| omar | heh | 20:39 |
| pupnik_ | don't know sorry | 20:39 |
| omar | np | 20:39 |
| pupnik_ | agree, alternate icons would be nice | 20:39 |
| pupnik_ | afk | 20:40 |
| omar | is kagu any good? or should i just stick with canola2 | 20:40 |
| sikor_sxe | HOOORAY | 20:41 |
| sikor_sxe | i got mime-open to work finally | 20:41 |
| sikor_sxe | *sweat* | 20:41 |
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| kulve | sikor_sxe: what was the problem? | 20:44 |
| sikor_sxe | different stuff | 20:44 |
| sikor_sxe | i had to implement the osso-callbacks in my app | 20:45 |
| sikor_sxe | and add Osso-Service=org.maemo.xarchiver to the .desktop file | 20:46 |
| sikor_sxe | then i had didn't know about the .service file | 20:46 |
| sikor_sxe | well, i got it so far now, that when i click on a rar file in FM xarchiver opens | 20:46 |
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| sikor_sxe | missing are the icons for the rar files in FM and that xarchiver doesn't just get started but also opens the rar file | 20:47 |
| sikor_sxe | xarchiver testrar.rar would do that, but i guess the sophisticated dbus calling system needs something different | 20:48 |
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| dick-richardson | i'm having a hell of a time installing the IM update | 20:51 |
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| * lcuk tries to sell noisey kids on ebay | 20:52 | |
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| tomspu | Got a nice N800 for christm. but I can't get e-mail working right | 20:56 |
| tomspu | it downloads the messages into the inbox, but takes about 2 hours to complete (3000+ messages) | 20:57 |
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| tomspu | doesn't download the sent messages nor can I send any e-mails | 20:58 |
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| sikor_sxe | tomspu: pop3 or imap? | 21:09 |
| omar | http://www.v7f.eu/public/n800/chess/ chess for n800, for anyone who cares | 21:09 |
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| jegp | anyone knows of a astronomy program for N800 ? | 21:10 |
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| Cptnodegard | jegp: no, but thats actually an interesting idea! | 21:17 |
| jegp | yeah, I know... N800 is perfect for astronomy viewers | 21:17 |
| alterego | Isn't there something like, "Google Space"? | 21:17 |
| alterego | :) | 21:17 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 21:18 |
| Cptnodegard | xD | 21:18 |
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| Cptnodegard | wouldnt put it past them | 21:18 |
| alterego | Well, there is Mars and the Moon ;) | 21:18 |
| alterego | An Orrery would be far more useful. Especially if you like Satelite spotting :) | 21:18 |
| dick-richardson | The installer for the rtcomm beta is complaining about libglade2-0 and makedev, both of which are installed | 21:19 |
| Cptnodegard | as long as i dont have to see uranus im happy :d (sorry had to) | 21:19 |
| alterego | I name all my network nodes after planets. But no, none of them are called Uranus ;) | 21:20 |
| Cptnodegard | you already have a node called that | 21:20 |
| alterego | I have, Europa, Jupiter, Neptune and Proteus. | 21:20 |
| alterego | Hah, yeah. | 21:20 |
| Cptnodegard | planets AND MOONS then :p | 21:20 |
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| alterego | Only my friends use that hostname ;) | 21:20 |
| Cptnodegard | looool | 21:20 |
| alterego | Yes, I started using moons when I'd used all the cool planet names. | 21:21 |
| Cptnodegard | wonder whats on uranus.com... im afraid to look | 21:21 |
| alterego | Pluto and Uranus were a no-no. | 21:21 |
| Cptnodegard | Vulcan | 21:21 |
| Cptnodegard | kronos | 21:21 |
| Cptnodegard | Trill | 21:21 |
| alterego | Mars didn't really have much appeal either. | 21:21 |
| Cptnodegard | Betazed | 21:21 |
| alterego | And Saturn was an old machine. | 21:21 |
| alterego | Proteus is my N810 :) | 21:22 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 21:22 |
| Cptnodegard | mine's Nokia N800 | 21:22 |
| Cptnodegard | im very imaginative | 21:22 |
| alterego | Hah | 21:22 |
| alterego | My N800 is Neptune | 21:22 |
| Cptnodegard | why, you drowned it? :d | 21:22 |
| alterego | Luckily not, despite how long it spends with me in the bath. | 21:23 |
| Cptnodegard | my home computer is Xanadu, only one with fake name i think | 21:23 |
| sibbe | http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/wiki/Planets_By_Episode :) | 21:23 |
| Cptnodegard | stargate <3 | 21:23 |
| Cptnodegard | newest atlantis episode was the best thing ever | 21:23 |
| alterego | Oh, SG-1. How I miss it. | 21:23 |
| alterego | I've not watched it yet. Shuddup :P | 21:23 |
| Cptnodegard | i want to marry that episode and have baby webisodes with it | 21:24 |
| lcuk | how do i get my nit visible on my windows network? | 21:24 |
| alterego | Hah | 21:24 |
| * lcuk is ashamed | 21:24 | |
| alterego | lcuk, how do you mean visible? | 21:24 |
| lcuk | showing up in net neighbourhood | 21:25 |
| alterego | Can ye not ping'th it? | 21:25 |
| lcuk | so i can direct copy etc | 21:25 |
| lcuk | i can ping it | 21:25 |
| lcuk | its 810 | 21:25 |
| alterego | Use OpenSSH and pscp | 21:25 |
| alterego | Or psftp | 21:25 |
| alterego | psftp would be better. | 21:25 |
| Cptnodegard | psftp makes it accessible through ftp client yes? | 21:25 |
| alterego | No, it's an FTP _like_ client that uses the SSH protocol. | 21:25 |
| alterego | It has nice drag and drop/explorer features. | 21:26 |
| alterego | scp is just command line. | 21:26 |
| Cptnodegard | i meant accessing the IT with a computer based ftp client | 21:26 |
| Cptnodegard | i did that with my nintendo DS once | 21:26 |
| Cptnodegard | i dont really hate USB cables enough to bother though xD | 21:26 |
| alterego | You'd need to install an FTP daemon to do that, which isn't advised as it's pretty insecure :P | 21:26 |
| lcuk | so theres no simple way to access shared net drive like i can do in reverse | 21:26 |
| fysa | filezilla | 21:26 |
| alterego | I use sshfs personally. | 21:26 |
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| fysa | and SFTP | 21:27 |
| lcuk | (can see windows shares from 810 file manager | 21:27 |
| alterego | lcuk, psftp is simple. | 21:27 |
| lcuk | ok ill give it a try :) | 21:27 |
| alterego | lcuk, that's because your computers are advetising those files to the world. The N810 doesn't have samba installed. | 21:27 |
| alterego | I'm not even sure anyone has package samba .. | 21:28 |
| fysa | yeah, don't think so yet | 21:28 |
| Cptnodegard | i tried streaming a 3gp video off my cell with BT today, im still getting used to having something that is capable of doign such "magic" tricks | 21:28 |
| fysa | you can nfs | 21:28 |
| lcuk | ding! so its samba that i need | 21:28 |
| alterego | sshfs is just far cooler :P | 21:28 |
| fysa | I nfs mount my media server on boot.. | 21:28 |
| fysa | you wish, lcuk | 21:28 |
| fysa | but you don't receive | 21:28 |
| fysa | ;) | 21:28 |
| lcuk | lol i want it all | 21:28 |
| * lcuk will get it | 21:28 | |
| alterego | lcuk, if you _really_ want to do that, yes. But I would not advise it. If you're a linux newb building it and installing it on the device is going to be tricky. Then you need to configure it and make sure it's secure. Or not running when you're out of the house. | 21:29 |
| fysa | the easiest way to get access is psftp | 21:29 |
| lcuk | i only use it with this single connection | 21:29 |
| fysa | anything else is going to require hackery | 21:29 |
| alterego | Yes, psftp is the way to go if you're on windows .. | 21:29 |
| fysa | WebDAV may be a viable solution.. | 21:29 |
| lcuk | the outside world is secured (hw fw) and i just need to get a few bits of code sent over | 21:30 |
| fysa | if we had more memory. | 21:30 |
| * fysa is bugged by the amount of memory wasted in an idling maemo setup | 21:30 | |
| fysa | 20MB free with 'nothing' running | 21:30 |
| fysa | hildon is a hog | 21:31 |
| lcuk | fysa, just thank god its not vista, or you would have no flash mem either ;) | 21:31 |
| Cptnodegard | fysa, ram or onboard memory? | 21:31 |
| fysa | RAM | 21:31 |
| fysa | on-board flash is passable | 21:31 |
| fysa | 'just' | 21:32 |
| Cptnodegard | configure the internal memory cardto work as ram | 21:32 |
| fysa | I have swap on.. which is fine | 21:32 |
| fysa | but swap is basically usable as a buffer against applications crashing | 21:32 |
| Cptnodegard | stil new to this thing so havent figured everythign out | 21:33 |
| fysa | if you really get into it, everything (browser especially) crawls | 21:33 |
| Cptnodegard | havent installed any app to see ram usage | 21:33 |
| fysa | I know we could squeeze another 20MB out of the system somewhere.. | 21:33 |
| Cptnodegard | whats using all the memory? doesnt it have 128 ram? | 21:33 |
| fysa | let's see if my device is awake.. | 21:34 |
| Cptnodegard | whats the process info ap called? | 21:34 |
| fysa | ps (with args) | 21:34 |
| fysa | or top | 21:34 |
| fysa | there is a tasktray icon you can install to see memory/CPU usage and dump process list | 21:34 |
| Cptnodegard | hmm what repository is it in? | 21:35 |
| fysa | I don't remember, I got them from the maemo repository .. repository. | 21:36 |
| fysa | one sec | 21:36 |
| lcuk | its called "load-applet" | 21:36 |
| fysa | what is that site -- maybe justdave | 21:37 |
| * lcuk doesn't know where it comes from tho | 21:37 | |
| Cptnodegard | only top i could find was htop | 21:37 |
| Cptnodegard | for os2008 | 21:37 |
| fysa | apt-cache showpkg | 21:37 |
| Cptnodegard | load-applet is process info? | 21:37 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ | 21:37 |
| lcuk | yes | 21:38 |
| Cptnodegard | thx | 21:38 |
| lcuk | shows cpu/mem/lists processes allows screenshots | 21:38 |
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| fysa | Nokia-N800-44-4:~# ps aux | grep browser | 21:38 |
| fysa | 1369 user 131724 SW /usr/bin/browser | 21:38 |
| Cptnodegard | found it | 21:38 |
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| fysa | browser using 101% of memory is not fun | 21:39 |
| fysa | 103.7% | 21:39 |
| lcuk | i see firefox is runnin as normal then ;) | 21:39 |
| fysa | no kidding | 21:39 |
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| Cptnodegard | lol | 21:39 |
| Cptnodegard | i have way more than 20MB free when not runnning anything | 21:40 |
| fysa | well.. | 21:40 |
| fysa | do a couple of things. | 21:40 |
| fysa | use it for a day, then quit those apps | 21:40 |
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| Cptnodegard | is there any way to make the tray wider? | 21:40 |
| fysa | you will get some daemons that spawn | 21:40 |
| lcuk | ive got 2mb free | 21:41 |
| fysa | and they don't always close themselves peacefully for me | 21:41 |
| * lcuk vanquishes fysa's deamons | 21:41 | |
| fysa | 1365 user 63500 SW /usr/bin/osso_rss_feed_reader | 21:42 |
| fysa | that is also horrible | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | maemo-lancher is runnin 79% of mem at 100mb! | 21:42 |
| Cptnodegard | ops | 21:42 |
| * lcuk doesn't even know what it does | 21:42 | |
| fysa | yeah, maemo-launcher is the other | 21:42 |
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| Cptnodegard | wtf is maemo launcher? | 21:43 |
| fysa | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch07.html | 21:44 |
| fysa | maemo-launcher is a tool to decrease the start-up time of GTK+ and thus gtkmm and maemomm applications. It runs as a daemon and initializes as much as possible before your application begins to start. When a new application is started it is forked from the deamon process, so its starts faster because the initialization is already complete. | 21:44 |
| fysa | that is the problem. | 21:44 |
| lcuk | its only a problem if it leaks | 21:44 |
| Cptnodegard | why in gods name would anyone install that thing if it auses all the ram? o0 | 21:44 |
| fysa | as soon as the system dips into swap, maemo-launcher should consider flushing itself | 21:44 |
| lcuk | i dont mind things runnin if they help | 21:45 |
| fysa | right | 21:45 |
| lcuk | however, mediaplayer-eng is stuck in memory and i barely play things with it | 21:45 |
| fysa | basically, maemo-launcher is for devices with slow filesystems | 21:45 |
| fysa | but if maemo-launcher can't get out of firefox's way, it's directly causing a condition it was designed to prevent | 21:46 |
| Cptnodegard | i use the internal web browser | 21:46 |
| Cptnodegard | find nothing wrong with it | 21:46 |
| fysa | that's firefox | 21:46 |
| Cptnodegard | then again i have a psp :p | 21:46 |
| lcuk | i so as well - minimo = firefox for mobiles | 21:46 |
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| Cptnodegard | ah i see | 21:46 |
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| fysa | we should be able to disable maemo launcher and run things normally if this is all it does. | 21:47 |
| fysa | I will play around with it on/off | 21:47 |
| Cptnodegard | uninstall it :p | 21:47 |
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| fysa | I'll just kill it ;) | 21:47 |
| lcuk | im not uninstalling things, but killing them lol | 21:48 |
| sk | what's the easiest ssh server to install on the n770? | 21:48 |
| fysa | openssh from the repo | 21:48 |
| fysa | then set root password somehow (there are guides) | 21:48 |
| sk | can i do it via the package manager on the device? | 21:48 |
| srwalter | Was "osso_uri_open" removed in Chinook? | 21:48 |
| alterego | fysa, it prompts. | 21:48 |
| fysa | http://www.google.com/search?q=770+ssh+root | 21:48 |
| sk | yeah i set the root pw alreadty | 21:48 |
| fysa | cool. | 21:48 |
| fysa | 10 unique results all showing instructions on ssh for the 770 :) | 21:49 |
| sk | im looking .. | 21:50 |
| lcuk | bet nokia are surprised the 770 lasted so long | 21:50 |
| Cptnodegard | they need to market all the IT's more | 21:50 |
| fysa | maybe. | 21:50 |
| lcuk | i dont think they can - ppl expect slick | 21:50 |
| fysa | they need the community to grow and develop more killer apps first | 21:51 |
| Cptnodegard | people are stupid | 21:51 |
| lcuk | this nit is cool - i have linux in my pocket - but its no i***** | 21:51 |
| sk | word, and even if they did, how much would that increase sales..what's the ROI/ | 21:51 |
| fysa | I was *this* close to getting one for my mother for christmas. | 21:51 |
| sk | word, niche is cool | 21:51 |
| sk | heh | 21:51 |
| Cptnodegard | unless theres a retarded looking paper clip in the bottom of the screen telling them what to do, people run away :D | 21:51 |
| sk | hah | 21:51 |
| fysa | but it's not quite there yet. | 21:51 |
| sk | even windows users loath mr clip | 21:51 |
| lcuk | no - ppl bought computers before without that - spectrums c64s amigas etc | 21:52 |
| lcuk | but what they had was a clear route as to what was available and how to use it | 21:52 |
| fysa | UI brings all of this complexity that you don't need | 21:52 |
| Cptnodegard | i keep finding myself in the position of telling people what i got for christmas, when i say i got money and bouth a n800 internet tablett, people go ?.? | 21:52 |
| fysa | because you have to present a user with every possible option simultaneously | 21:52 |
| fysa | when you typed commands in, you only knew the commands you needed to know | 21:52 |
| fysa | so you could get anyone to pop a floppy into a C64 and type LOAD "*",8,1 | 21:53 |
| Cptnodegard | it's are too advanced for most people to grasp the concept | 21:53 |
| Cptnodegard | world is funy that way | 21:53 |
| lcuk | for now it is - but its getting easier | 21:53 |
| Cptnodegard | they need to stop teaching crap in school and start teaching people useful stuff | 21:54 |
| fysa | Apple's interfaces are good at removing excess options/choices | 21:54 |
| Cptnodegard | im studying economics, and 95% of the class are too stupid to use the basic functions in excel | 21:54 |
| lcuk | but useful is a bit of WP, some spreadsheets, how to IM and stuff | 21:54 |
| fysa | Linux is the worst of all. every possible feature and option is presented. | 21:54 |
| lcuk | 7 times over | 21:55 |
| fysa | KDE itself has thousands of configuration options | 21:55 |
| lcuk | (and in no way complaining) | 21:55 |
| sk | when i copy a file to the n770 via us | 21:55 |
| sk | b | 21:55 |
| sk | where does it go in the local FS? | 21:55 |
| fysa | it can take you 30 minutes to find/change a setting in the old KDE file manager | 21:55 |
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| Cptnodegard | where you put it, sk | 21:55 |
| sk | when i access it via usb | 21:55 |
| fysa | but this will all change eventually. | 21:55 |
| sk | i onlt have access to one folder | 21:55 |
| Cptnodegard | huh | 21:56 |
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| sk | I can't move up the tree/dir | 21:56 |
| Cptnodegard | 770 different from 800/810 then | 21:56 |
| fysa | I think you have to put the device into a different mode or something? | 21:56 |
| sk | really ..? | 21:56 |
| sk | i can see files | 21:56 |
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| Cptnodegard | what OS? | 21:56 |
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| sk | like /btscanner /kismet $RECYCLE.BIN | 21:56 |
| fysa | which files? | 21:56 |
| sk | 2006 | 21:56 |
| fysa | ah | 21:56 |
| sk | i just don't know where those are locally | 21:57 |
| Cptnodegard | doesnt it support 2008? | 21:57 |
| sk | i believe the n770 does | 21:57 |
| lcuk | put into /media/mmc2 i think | 21:57 |
| lcuk | or mmc1 | 21:57 |
| sk | i looked there | 21:57 |
| sk | both places | 21:57 |
| lcuk | or somewhere | 21:57 |
| sk | nothing | 21:57 |
| fysa | you check /home/user? | 21:57 |
| lcuk | oooer | 21:57 |
| Cptnodegard | you shoudl check if it supports newer OSes | 21:57 |
| sk | i believe so, isn't that my cwd when i invoke xterm? | 21:57 |
| lcuk | ask clippy ;) | 21:57 |
| fysa | yeah | 21:57 |
| sk | oh lemme see | 21:57 |
| fysa | find . | grep btscanner | 21:57 |
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| fysa | cd / first | 21:58 |
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| sk | its looking now | 22:00 |
| lcuk | i miss the drive noise when a search is occuring | 22:00 |
| lcuk | i can tell where its upto and which drive its on | 22:00 |
| sk | so you think i should upgrade to 2008? | 22:02 |
| sk | for the n770 | 22:02 |
| fysa | at least 2007 | 22:02 |
| fysa | check apps first before 2008 though | 22:02 |
| sk | ok | 22:02 |
| fysa | make sure the ports you need for day-to-day use are up on os2008.. some were slow coming | 22:02 |
| sk | no, i dont use this thing for day to day | 22:02 |
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| sk | im attempt to dev on it | 22:02 |
| sk | (ing) | 22:03 |
| fysa | yeah, I bluetooth keyboard/ssh to dev server (drupal/php/python/java) and get 'real work' done | 22:03 |
| lcuk | day-2-day for a dev is libraries | 22:03 |
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| sk | heh | 22:03 |
| fysa | bluetooth keyboard seems a little laggy for me, but it's mostly usable | 22:03 |
| fysa | I'd love to see an N800 with built-in 3M mini projector that was just released | 22:04 |
| sk | i plan on using scratchbox | 22:04 |
| sk | i got it setup and compiled some c | 22:04 |
| lcuk | as long as all keystrokes are done in the correct order, whats a bit of lag between devices ;) | 22:04 |
| dick-richardson | I'd love to see working repos :( | 22:04 |
| sk | i'll proably switch to python | 22:04 |
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| fysa | I could get more use if the tiny screen could be shown at 30-40" | 22:04 |
| lcuk | fysa - i got x11vnc and view on big monitor | 22:04 |
| fysa | yeah, exactly lcuk. it still works, and I still feel missed keys before I see them | 22:05 |
| fysa | http://gizmodo.com/340816/half+inch-thick-mobile-projector-with-vga-resolution-is-available-now-from-3m | 22:05 |
| sk | i can't find the damn files | 22:05 |
| fysa | N800 with that would be killer. | 22:06 |
| fysa | oh | 22:06 |
| fysa | shit | 22:06 |
| fysa | then you do this: | 22:06 |
| fysa | remove the IR filter on the webcam | 22:06 |
| fysa | point webcam at projected image | 22:07 |
| tank-man | sk, find them from the filemanager? | 22:07 |
| fysa | using LED pen, you can have interactive touchscreen on the wall | 22:07 |
| fysa | with the same touch hildon interface | 22:07 |
| sk | tank-man: I tried that | 22:07 |
| lcuk | use a wiimote and led pen as source | 22:07 |
| tank-man | fysa, someone did that with led pen+wiimote for the pc | 22:07 |
| fysa | yeah, you could do it with wiimote too | 22:08 |
| fysa | but if the device had a removable (flip switch/hit button) IR filter on the internal webcam.. | 22:08 |
| fysa | you wouldn't need it. | 22:08 |
| rm_you | sk: I know that in 2007/2008, what the USB is doing is turning the device into an SD card reader >_> | 22:08 |
| fysa | you can simulate motion tracking with a simple webcam and no hacks | 22:08 |
| lcuk | wiimote has detection hardware which you would have to code up to use webcam | 22:08 |
| sk | yeah | 22:08 |
| sk | haha | 22:08 |
| fysa | but it won't be as high dpi | 22:08 |
| fysa | no, you don't usee motion detection for this lcuk | 22:08 |
| sk | you can't access the memory card when its plugged into USB | 22:08 |
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| sk | that's why i couldn't see the files | 22:09 |
| fysa | you only use the wii's CCD | 22:09 |
| sk | weaksauce all over my face | 22:09 |
| rm_you | sk: so when you are presented with the top level of the drive, it is either /media/mmc1 or /media/mmc2 >_> | 22:09 |
| fysa | 1024x768 120hz (or 60hz) CCD | 22:09 |
| rm_you | ah lol | 22:09 |
| fysa | and you pick up reflected IR light | 22:09 |
| rm_you | yeah :P | 22:09 |
| lcuk | yer i know you use the ccd - but if you use a webcam, you must code up the image scanning and detection, with wiimote, you just get points | 22:09 |
| sk | i'm just trying to see if the c code im compiled and ran on scratchbox will actually run on the device | 22:10 |
| sk | word thanks guys | 22:10 |
| lcuk | the image from the wiimote sensor is processed onboard the mote (as far as i know) | 22:10 |
| fysa | no, you just need to remove the IR filter ;) | 22:10 |
| fysa | see: TrackIR homebrew | 22:10 |
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| fysa | http://www.free-track.net/english/hardware/webcam_filter_removal.php?PHPSESSID=ab1341e6748966a888d99d0e6431f5f4 | 22:12 |
| fysa | the key is to track IR light and not visible light | 22:12 |
| fysa | and provide a source, that's why you see dots for the wii | 22:12 |
| fysa | it's giving you an image of the dots emitting from the sensor bar | 22:12 |
| fysa | (but processed) | 22:12 |
| fysa | http://www.thewretched.org/trackir.html | 22:13 |
| fysa | the linux trackIR driver would do what you need. | 22:13 |
| fysa | TrackIR is just a $150 60fps webcam with the IR filter removed | 22:13 |
| fysa | anyway, enough dreaming.. | 22:14 |
| elb | I think you guys are talking past each other | 22:14 |
| rm_you | is that better quality than the wiimote IR sensor? | 22:14 |
| elb | the wii really does send coordinates, not images | 22:14 |
| elb | but yes, you can do the same thing with images and filtering | 22:14 |
| lcuk | but like i said, using the webcam/driver you need linux to actually scan the data for the entire image and identify the points, using the wiimote you have built in support for 4 point sources identified on the mote itself | 22:14 |
| fysa | my point is that the wiimote is cool and I use it at home to control my Linux HTPC and love wiimote hacks | 22:14 |
| fysa | but if they're giving us a built-in mini-projector.. | 22:15 |
| fysa | I'd like a built-in IR tracking for LED stylus usage also ;) | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | would nokia be fast enough to scan it all and be usable for other stuff? | 22:15 |
| gnuton | Hi | 22:15 |
| fysa | the coolest would be to set the device up on its stand.. | 22:15 |
| elb | there *is* a secondary dsp, lcuk ;-) | 22:16 |
| fysa | and project the image right onto the desk | 22:16 |
| fysa | or have it sit on my coffee table shooting RSS at the wall | 22:16 |
| lcuk | there is also full powervr 3d hardware - having it there doesn't mean its usable | 22:16 |
| elb | the DSP is usable | 22:16 |
| * lcuk retracts his rant ;) | 22:16 | |
| sk | The c code wouldn't run | 22:18 |
| dick-richardson | is aptitude ever going to be part of maemo? | 22:18 |
| alterego | Damnit, can't format my damn drive. | 22:18 |
| sk | missing an .so | 22:18 |
| dick-richardson | or a recent version of apt-get that includes autoremove? | 22:19 |
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| sk | no ldd? | 22:24 |
| sk | wtf | 22:24 |
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| BugBlue | hello | 22:26 |
| elb | welcome to the world of embedded platforms, sk ;-) | 22:26 |
| sk | haha | 22:26 |
| sk | i want to go home | 22:26 |
| sk | = [ | 22:26 |
| sk | so can i get ld/ldconfig? | 22:26 |
| * BugBlue wants to go in, but I have to wait 2 weeks until they sell the N810 here | 22:26 | |
| elb | if any of the elf utils (objdump, elfdump, et al.) are available, you might be able to get linking information from them | 22:26 |
| elb | otherwise, there's always scratchbox :-) | 22:26 |
| sk | it works on scratchbox | 22:26 |
| sk | i cp the .c binary to the device | 22:27 |
| sk | and it doesn't run | 22:27 |
| elb | nice | 22:27 |
| BugBlue | you have to compile .c files | 22:27 |
| sk | yeah I know | 22:28 |
| rm_you | you're probably missing a dependency on the device | 22:28 |
| sk | i compiled it in scratchbox and cp the binary to the device | 22:28 |
| rm_you | what does it say is missing? | 22:28 |
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| sk | libhildon-1.so.0 | 22:28 |
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| sk | ls | 22:30 |
| sk | heh, opps | 22:30 |
| BugBlue | can someone tell me something about serial USB support on the N810? | 22:31 |
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| rm_you | hrm, time to start investigating alsa-lib | 22:31 |
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| scibot | :) | 22:32 |
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| scibot | What's a good editor for python under chinook? | 22:32 |
| rm_you | vi? | 22:33 |
| lcuk | i use pygtkeditor - its the only one ive found | 22:33 |
| Wikier | hi | 22:33 |
| rm_you | vim? >_> | 22:33 |
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| scibot | rm_you, I'm use to gvim in particular. | 22:33 |
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| rm_you | well, if you're used to gvim, then you know the commands/keys for vim :P | 22:34 |
| scibot | Nope | 22:34 |
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| rm_you | unless you lean REALLY heavily on the GUI part :/ | 22:34 |
| scibot | I do | 22:34 |
| rm_you | :( | 22:34 |
| rm_you | learning to really use VI is a good thing in the long run | 22:34 |
| rm_you | so you may as well start | 22:34 |
| rm_you | :P | 22:34 |
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| scibot | No thanks, I rather get some code done | 22:35 |
| lcuk | sci: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pygtkeditor/ | 22:35 |
| lcuk | has a "play" button ;) | 22:35 |
| lcuk | shame i only use it to run python stuff | 22:35 |
| * lcuk misses his tabkey | 22:36 | |
| rm_you | lol | 22:36 |
| lcuk | how could nokia have left off such an important key | 22:36 |
| rm_you | scibot: well, it does have a decent learning curve, i admit :( though I code probably 50% faster in VI than any other editor now because of the power it gives me | 22:37 |
| rm_you | it just took me two years of practice to break even :P | 22:37 |
| scibot | I just don't have the patience for it right now. | 22:37 |
| wnd | rm_you, are you really taking about vi and not vim? | 22:37 |
| rm_you | i use the term interchangably at this point, but really talking about vim | 22:37 |
| wnd | in that case I fully agree with you | 22:38 |
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| rm_you | i mean *really*, all you need to be able to do at first is keep good track of what mode you're in, and remember to hit ESC a lot and "i" to start typing :) and then it is basically notepad with syntax highlighting | 22:40 |
| rm_you | and you can pick stuff up from there | 22:40 |
| rm_you | oh, and :w to save, :q to quit, :wq to do both, and :q! to abort changes and quit | 22:41 |
| keesj | using vi with the thumb keyboard is really a pain | 22:41 |
| rm_you | it isn't too bad... i've gotten used to it. though, the version of vim that is in maemo seems more like VI than VIM >_> | 22:41 |
| wnd | the three keys I use the most with vim must be "m", "`", and "A". | 22:42 |
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| scibot | Thanks lcuk, pygtkeditor will work well for now. | 22:43 |
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| rm_you | hrm... i'm not even sure i know what "m" does >_> | 22:43 |
| scibot | Oh and the keyboard lacks home/end/pgup/down keys, so I'll have to map some combos later. | 22:43 |
| lcuk | mini 810 kb, or bluetooth one | 22:44 |
| scibot | Apple BT | 22:44 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:44 |
| lcuk | lights on now lol | 22:44 |
| * lcuk thought it was the dogs bollards ;) | 22:45 | |
| scibot | As soon as I figure xmodmap out. | 22:45 |
| lcuk | will xmodmap work for the 810 hardware keys? | 22:45 |
| * lcuk will change the D pad middle buton for tab in a haertbeat | 22:45 | |
| scibot | I don't see why not | 22:45 |
| lcuk | gah! i still cant type/spell at all and im on the big kb | 22:46 |
| lcuk | i hope it doesnt map enter itself to something else | 22:46 |
| scibot | Anyway I'll be mapping the fn + arrows to home/end/pgup/pgdown | 22:47 |
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| sk | anyone have an idea to fix that missing .so | 23:00 |
| sk | libhildon-1.so.0? | 23:00 |
| sk | when running a c binary im compiled in sb-arm and cp to the n770 | 23:00 |
| lcuk | is the framework set to os2006 or have you compiled it against one of the newer ones? | 23:03 |
| sk | great question, i dont know.I followed the directions at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt | 23:03 |
| lcuk | the 770 cannot handle os2008/chinook/4.0 yet can it? | 23:04 |
| lcuk | i thought that the 770 was a casualty of upgrading, ie its supported in os2006, ninja support in 2007 but not yet in 08 | 23:04 |
| sk | I really don't know, this is all very new to me | 23:05 |
| lcuk | which os have you got installed on the device itself | 23:05 |
| sibbe | oh crap.. /tmp tmpfs is only 512k | 23:05 |
| sk | I've been reading a shit load | 23:05 |
| sk | lcuk : 2006 I believe | 23:05 |
| sibbe | and it's created inside initfs... | 23:05 |
| lcuk | its all new to me as well - i got an 810 (with os2008) and have had similar probs but mainly because the docs are geared towards os2007 | 23:05 |
| sibbe | phew... "mount -o remount,size=1024K /tmp" worked | 23:06 |
| lcuk | ill fire up my vmware session and have a look | 23:06 |
| sk | word, thanks | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | on the desktop of the default install there are icons for binaries bora(2007) and chinook(2008) i think you will need to get the 2006 SDK installed and compile with that | 23:08 |
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| sk | oh lord | 23:08 |
| sk | i thought I finally had the sdk setup | 23:08 |
| lcuk | alternatively, you could just install python and try coding that way | 23:08 |
| lcuk | what are you testing? | 23:09 |
| sk | we are doing some bluetooth dev | 23:09 |
| sk | python should be fine vs c | 23:09 |
| lcuk | may be the simplest approach - thats what i ended up doing | 23:09 |
| sk | word | 23:10 |
| sk | would I still need to switch sdks? | 23:10 |
| lcuk | learning a new language (with a big support library) was easier than going through dependency hell | 23:10 |
| sk | do i even need the sdk for python dev/ | 23:10 |
| lcuk | i code in windows now and will tweak the hildon specifics later | 23:10 |
| sk | well, I can test the aps on xephyer i guess | 23:10 |
| sk | do i have to setup anything special on the n770 to run the python code? | 23:11 |
| sk | modules, libarries and what not/ | 23:11 |
| lcuk | python+gtk apps work on nokia | 23:11 |
| sk | yeah i get that | 23:11 |
| lcuk | probs just those 2^ | 23:11 |
| sk | aight | 23:11 |
| lcuk | thats all i needed | 23:11 |
| lcuk | hope theres an install for python on your 770 tho.. | 23:11 |
| lcuk | perhaps someone with knowledge will stop lurking ;) | 23:11 |
| elb | that reminds me that I need to spend some time with Python soon | 23:12 |
| lcuk | every man needs to spend more time with his snake | 23:12 |
| lcuk | ermmmm python i mean | 23:12 |
| elb | as I have zero desire to write a GUI application from scratch in C ;-) | 23:12 |
| lcuk | well you dont need to - gtk works | 23:12 |
| elb | do people generally think PyGtk is good? | 23:12 |
| lcuk | and with python, if you find its not great, you can make a gtk extension in c and use it from python | 23:13 |
| lcuk | best all round | 23:13 |
| lcuk | i certainly do | 23:13 |
| sk | word | 23:13 |
| elb | sure, I'm familiar with Gtk, C/Gtk, and scripting in general, I simply have never used Python | 23:13 |
| lcuk | theres plenty of source and examples and help around | 23:13 |
| sk | yeah i think you can install python from the application manager | 23:13 |
| elb | (I'm a Pidgin developer, so I've had enough contact with Gtk to appreciate what it is and isn't in its native form) | 23:14 |
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| lcuk | another plus is being able to just run uncompiled | 23:14 |
| lcuk | cool | 23:14 |
| sk | yeah, that's a huge + | 23:14 |
| elb | (which is why I have no desire to write a GUI app from scratch in C ;-)) | 23:14 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:14 |
| elb | I personally missed the Python generation altogether, and skipped straight from Perl to Ruby, is all | 23:15 |
| lcuk | ive been stuck in vb for years now (jumped from C on my amiga to pc+vb) | 23:15 |
| sk | i mostly write php lately | 23:16 |
| * lcuk hates to admit the vb part | 23:16 | |
| sk | little perl and c | 23:16 |
| sk | vb's cool for some stuff i guess | 23:16 |
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| * lcuk is even more ashamed that he likes it | 23:16 | |
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| lcuk | ive had 2 weeks now (off all xmas) to find a dev env i like and every single one has been better than .net | 23:17 |
| lcuk | (which my boss is trying to move us to) | 23:17 |
| Cptnodegard | stupid gmail :( | 23:17 |
| Cptnodegard | i want n800 to leave the messages online, and thunderbird to download them | 23:18 |
| blast007 | lcuk: I'm quite fond the the Visual Studio environment | 23:18 |
| blast007 | of the* | 23:18 |
| lcuk | i have loads of niggly problems with it | 23:18 |
| sk | yeah i couldn't get into vs dev, w/c# or | 23:19 |
| lcuk | it slows me down too much | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | simple things like finishing code, clicking a tree element and having to wait while the ide decides i am allowed to view the designer for it | 23:21 |
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| * lcuk is too quick | 23:21 | |
| lcuk | how well does mono work on the nit? | 23:22 |
| lcuk | anyone have experience | 23:22 |
| sk | nit? | 23:23 |
| sk | i tried to get mono working on a fedora box, .... didn't get to far | 23:23 |
| lcuk | nokia internet tablet - got used to typing that cos my 810 has no numbers by default | 23:23 |
| sk | ah word | 23:24 |
| sk | don't know | 23:24 |
| sk | q: when i run /sbin/ldconfig on the n770 | 23:24 |
| sk | i get | 23:24 |
| sk | can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: on such file or dir... | 23:24 |
| sk | what the hell is that about | 23:24 |
| sk | that seems really bad | 23:24 |
| lcuk | (*) cool - i might get my old pda and use it as a fullscreen virt keyboard | 23:24 |
| lcuk | dunno - whats google think about it | 23:28 |
| sk | looking ... | 23:30 |
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| sp3000 | Cptnodegard: what's the problem | 23:38 |
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| Cptnodegard | no problem anymore :D | 23:39 |
| Cptnodegard | switched thunderbird to IMAP, using pop on n800 | 23:39 |
| Cptnodegard | that way itll leave the messages alone | 23:40 |
| sp3000 | another solution is the 'recent' pop view http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=47948 | 23:40 |
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| Cptnodegard | ah, well this works, but thx :D | 23:41 |
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| sk | im out guys, thanks for you help, bbl | 23:45 |
| sk | 1 | 23:45 |
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| dick-richardson | have the repos been fixed? | 23:55 |
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| dick-richardson | I'd like to flash my device, but won't do it unless those are up and running | 23:55 |
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