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| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/zwecklos.jpg Widerstand ist zwecklos. | 00:37 |
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| pupnik | "Resistance is futile" | 00:37 |
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| |R | :) | 00:37 |
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| script | pupnik: aaaaalt ;) | 00:49 |
| pupnik | yah | 00:50 |
| pupnik | http://pupnik.de/Netrek_0_01_tinyfont.jpg noch aelter -- ca 1990 | 00:51 |
| script | pupnik: hübsch | 00:52 |
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| pupnik | based on the massively multiplayer online game 'Empire' from the control data PLATO system, which I played in 1981 and which was created around 1975 | 00:53 |
| pupnik | :) | 00:53 |
| pupnik | dat is alt | 00:53 |
| script | schon ;) | 00:54 |
| script | n8 | 00:55 |
| alterego | You rang? | 01:01 |
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| solmumaha | alterego: yes, sry | 01:08 |
| alterego | :P | 01:09 |
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| kup | hi! something new about pimlico dates for os2008? | 01:29 |
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| skibur | anybody own a GP2x F200? | 01:38 |
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| Mousey | wow, there's people in here | 01:40 |
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| pupnik | We are the robots. | 01:41 |
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| Mousey | say uh, i just got an n810, and i'm wondering if it's normal to have the touchscreen intermittently just stop working | 01:41 |
| jeff1f | No | 01:42 |
| jeff1f | Sometimes the os is unresponsive though | 01:42 |
| Mousey | oh. it should just work all the time working working, unless it's locked? | 01:42 |
| Mousey | hmm, os unresponsiveness.. | 01:43 |
| jeff1f | should | 01:43 |
| Mousey | i'm not sure that's it.. banging it makes it work. maybe i'm banging it at just the right time | 01:43 |
| Mousey | but something tells me it's not normal | 01:43 |
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| Mousey | tx | 01:43 |
| * Mousey unhappily sets up rma | 01:43 | |
| jeff1f | did you calibrate it? | 01:43 |
| Mousey | i've calibrated it multiple times | 01:44 |
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| Mousey | can't get xchat installed either | 01:45 |
| Mousey | but i blame that i'm a n00b | 01:45 |
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| jeff1f | yeah, it takes some work to get everything working | 01:46 |
| Mousey | missing libs. found em' in bora, but maemo seems more unforgiving about having lots of distro levels installed [unlike debian] | 01:47 |
| Mousey | that and i'm unfamiliar. =( | 01:47 |
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| Mousey | can i replace busybox with bash? | 01:51 |
| Mousey | or is that a laughable idea? | 01:51 |
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| alterego | Wow .. | 02:01 |
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| unique311 | pupnik, PM | 02:05 |
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| GNUton | Hi | 02:11 |
| dockane | hi all.. anybody using gpe calendar? i am trying to import http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/ (ical). it says "syntax error (missing attribute name/group)!" | 02:13 |
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| dockane | i am using gpe-calendar v. 2.8+maemo-1 | 02:15 |
| K`zan_n800 | Hummm, Transcend or AData SDHC 8G card....!?!!! | 02:22 |
| K`zan | OR a 16G one for about the same price as both :) | 02:23 |
| dockane | K`zan: i am using 2x 8gb sdhc kingston class 6 | 02:23 |
| dockane | flawlessly | 02:23 |
| hugolp | K`zan I think n800 doesnt take 16G cards | 02:24 |
| K`zan | $5 difference for the 8G ones, I think the Transcend might be worth the extra?!? | 02:24 |
| K`zan | It doesn't? SDHC I thought would work with the n800. | 02:25 |
| hugolp | I think n800 and n810 limit is 8Gb | 02:25 |
| K`zan | BUT, I'll hold on the 16G (and 32G) one. Thanks hugolp ! | 02:25 |
| dockane | that would be strange since sdhc standard is up to 32 gb | 02:25 |
| K`zan | Probably actually better with multiple 8G rather than one 16G though. | 02:26 |
| K`zan | So far with a 4G (int) and 1G (ext) I am only taking up about 2.5G and a lot of that is maps. | 02:26 |
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| K`zan | 8G sure seems like a lot, but I am sure we will fill it up in time :) | 02:27 |
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| hugolp | K`zan have you tried the maps utility in the N800 OS2008? | 02:28 |
| K`zan | Yes, map sucks, I like maemo mapper better. | 02:28 |
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| K`zan | REmoved map from the device. | 02:28 |
| hugolp | i c | 02:28 |
| hugolp | K`zan did you tried with gps or without? | 02:29 |
| K`zan | Just wish I could figure out how to get it to display track up rather than north up. | 02:29 |
| K`zan | Both | 02:29 |
| K`zan | Not as good as the Garmin I have but it is by NO means shabby. | 02:29 |
| K`zan | Got the iblue 737 and rather like it. | 02:30 |
| hugolp | have to try it myself but I have to get a memory card to hold the maps | 02:30 |
| K`zan | LOL there is that :-). 8G cards are pretty cheap at newegg ATM. | 02:30 |
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| K`zan | I'm going to order one 8G this month and probably anyother next month. | 02:31 |
| jga23 | anybody able to install scratchbox maemo sdk? I know the debs are broken, is there a workaround? | 02:31 |
| hugolp | K`zan you could order a third one and setn it here | 02:31 |
| K`zan | LOL, going to be damn lucky to get me one, but if I end up with a spare I'd sure send it your way :-)! | 02:32 |
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| shack008n | hi, is it possible to play quicktime on the n800? | 03:47 |
| hugolp | shack008n: guess so | 03:47 |
| shack008n | ok, how then? :) | 03:48 |
| hugolp | just playing it? | 03:50 |
| hugolp | gstreamer doesnt play quicktime? | 03:50 |
| shack008n | the default player apparently not | 03:51 |
| shack008n | because it's aking what i want to open this .mov file with | 03:52 |
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| acydlord | wow, i just found out there is a mono package for maemo | 05:14 |
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| admin_ | anyway to , instead of the nokia boot image on n770, make it show the kernel booting messages? | 05:16 |
| pupnik | FAQ | 05:21 |
| pupnik | NA | 05:21 |
| admin_ | :o | 05:22 |
| acydlord | admin_, R&D mode shows the messages over the image | 05:23 |
| admin_ | really? | 05:25 |
| acydlord | yeah | 05:26 |
| admin_ | hmm, is there a way to show msges w/o flashing ? | 05:26 |
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| admin_ | acydlord: ^ | 05:30 |
| acydlord | not that i know of | 05:31 |
| admin_ | darn | 05:31 |
| admin_ | can I do like, --get-rd-mode to somethign :P | 05:36 |
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| pupnik | the PLANET needs ron paul | 06:42 |
| pupnik | the PLANET needs ron paul | 06:42 |
| * |R needs a puppy | 06:42 | |
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| Vulcanis | Hmm, apparently PCSX does not like OS2008 | 06:56 |
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| Luria | quiet tonight. | 07:33 |
| K`zan | Very | 07:33 |
| K`zan | I think folks are burning out from dealing with the problems :-(. | 07:33 |
| Luria | im not happy with os2008 | 07:34 |
| Luria | the speed is nice, but stability has definitiely taken a turn for the worse. | 07:34 |
| K`zan | It's OK, but there seem to be a lot of problems that seem to point to nokia just not giving a damn. I know they are not that incompetent, all my nokia phones have been better than average by a good bit. | 07:34 |
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| pupnik_ | where is fucktard waterboard boy | 07:34 |
| pupnik_ | oh sorry | 07:35 |
| pupnik_ | wrong channel | 07:35 |
| K`zan | LOL | 07:35 |
| pupnik_ | LOL drowning | 07:35 |
| K`zan | Dunno what to think, I like the device a lot. | 07:35 |
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| pupnik_ | there is no safe channel from | 07:35 |
| pupnik_ | water board chat | 07:35 |
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| Luria | misplaced your taliban? | 07:35 |
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| pupnik_ | because there is no safety from state torture | 07:36 |
| * K`zan is all for waterboarding and MORE :-) | 07:36 | |
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| K`zan | Heh, torture, waterboarding ain't it. | 07:36 |
| pupnik_ | there is no region of society that is safe from the us application of torture | 07:36 |
| K`zan | Horsehocky. | 07:36 |
| pupnik_ | the USA now holds 15,000 ghost prisoners around the world | 07:36 |
| pupnik_ | by force | 07:36 |
| pupnik_ | without trial | 07:36 |
| K`zan | No where near enough for the shit they pull. | 07:37 |
| pupnik_ | no justicce | 07:37 |
| Luria | depends. is the waterboarding done with liquid drain cleaner? | 07:37 |
| madar | hello all, anyone sorted out the problem with installing pidgin on n810 up to dated os version | 07:37 |
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| pupnik_ | they are goatherders | 07:37 |
| *** Tuci is now known as Tuco | 07:37 | |
| K`zan | Agree with that, but the US ain't the problem in that department. | 07:37 |
| pupnik_ | hence | 07:37 |
| pupnik_ | the same tactics will now be used in irc | 07:37 |
| K`zan | Too many criminals just let run free, | 07:37 |
| pupnik_ | this channel will now be waterboarded | 07:37 |
| pupnik_ | drowned | 07:37 |
| K`zan | Not sure I agree with that for freenode, but maybe some of the other nets ;-) LOL. | 07:37 |
| pupnik_ | with violence | 07:38 |
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| K`zan | drowned != waterboarding... | 07:38 |
| pupnik_ | you did nothing to deserve it | 07:38 |
| pupnik_ | too bad | 07:38 |
| madar | wtf where am I all I wanted was pidgin, can't we work things out | 07:38 |
| pupnik_ | it is drowning | 07:38 |
| pupnik_ | K`zan: | 07:38 |
| pupnik_ | it is bringing people to the point of death | 07:38 |
| pupnik_ | you bring them to within an inch of death | 07:38 |
| K`zan | Close ain't dead... | 07:38 |
| pupnik_ | without any evidence | 07:38 |
| pupnik_ | or trial | 07:38 |
| pupnik_ | it is torture | 07:38 |
| K`zan | Horsehocky | 07:38 |
| madar | open communication is key to solving our differences | 07:38 |
| pupnik_ | under the geneva conventions | 07:39 |
| pupnik_ | it is torture | 07:39 |
| pupnik_ | it is illegal | 07:39 |
| pupnik_ | it is not fun | 07:39 |
| K`zan | You REALLY need to get a grip on what you are dealing with. | 07:39 |
| |R | well puting someone in a state of physical panic is torture... thus waterboarding is torture | 07:39 |
| pupnik_ | i will do it to you | 07:39 |
| pupnik_ | K shit | 07:39 |
| pupnik_ | i will do it to you | 07:39 |
| K`zan | No you won't :-) | 07:39 |
| pupnik_ | want my fucking address | 07:39 |
| pupnik_ | i will waterboard you | 07:39 |
| pupnik_ | and you will then tell me it is a joke | 07:39 |
| K`zan | Nope, I stay away from loons as much as possibly. | 07:39 |
| pupnik_ | you fucking piece of human shit | 07:39 |
| pupnik_ | this is torture | 07:39 |
| pupnik_ | that you are promoting | 07:39 |
| K`zan | Piss off and deal with some reality. | 07:39 |
| madar | this is getting me no where, this channel has become torture for sure | 07:40 |
| pupnik_ | this is the state | 07:40 |
| pupnik_ | fucking with your channel | 07:40 |
| |R | http://waterboarding.org/ | 07:40 |
| K`zan | LOL, these folks are everywhere but in the real world | 07:40 |
| pupnik_ | it interrupts your fun little life | 07:40 |
| pupnik_ | like i interrupted maemo | 07:40 |
| pupnik_ | </end> | 07:41 |
| |R | madar : pidgin should work no? there was a problem? (works on 2008 / n800) | 07:41 |
| K`zan | LOL, you sure don't need to do anything for that to happen LOL. | 07:41 |
| madar | can't get an install to take | 07:41 |
| K`zan | Dunno, from what I can gather the repositories are hosed big time. | 07:41 |
| K`zan | I'm just chilling until after the start of the new year. | 07:41 |
| K`zan | We'll see what happens when and if the smoke clears. | 07:42 |
| K`zan | For the moment my n800 is pretty much doing what I want. | 07:42 |
| K`zan | Old 2008 release. | 07:42 |
| madar | acts like it's going to but the file is reported to be 2.3mb tries pulling something about 700k says it can't install and then shows up in the installed apps list Broken of course... | 07:42 |
| K`zan | I do keep thinking that going back to 2007 might be wise, dunno yet. | 07:42 |
| madar | any sign of them clearing anytime soon? | 07:43 |
| K`zan | One I keep trying to get keeps telling me the file is corrupted... | 07:43 |
| K`zan | No idea. | 07:43 |
| madar | I guess we wait. | 07:43 |
| K`zan | I really don't. | 07:43 |
| madar | thanks all | 07:43 |
| K`zan | Nothing else to do :-). | 07:43 |
| * |R misses iphome though | 07:43 | |
| Phobbe1 | how long have the repos been hosed? I've been trying to get the sdk environment set up in anticipation of getting an N800 in the next couple days, and I'm planning my attack. | 07:43 |
| Luria | iphome was nice. poorly named though. | 07:43 |
| K`zan | I would think getting the sdk installed should be a lot easier than apps for the time being. | 07:44 |
| madar | hosed at least three days I can tell | 07:44 |
| pupnik_ | K`zan: my text was just a symbolic interruption - i make no threat against your person. | 07:44 |
| |R | Luria : indeed, iPhome :P | 07:44 |
| K`zan | pupnik_: Good, you live longer that way ;-)! | 07:44 |
| K`zan | And I'd, for the most part, miss ya :-)! | 07:45 |
| pupnik_ | it was just meant to illustrate how annoying force is, when it interrupts our productive stuff | 07:45 |
| K`zan | Apps seem to be scatted to the winds, I have no idea what is really available for 2008 | 07:45 |
| K`zan | .357 usually keeps nasty interruptions very brief :-). | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | like WATERBOARDING DEATH DROWNING | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | K\ZAN DIE DIE DIE | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | DIE DIE DIE | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | DIE DIE | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | DIE | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | DIE | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | DIE | 07:46 |
| K`zan | Unless people who know just laugh at you ... | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | lots of carriage riturns | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | in the waterboarding proces | 07:46 |
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| pupnik_ | no escape | 07:46 |
| K`zan | Sure you shouldn't be on undernet LOL | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | from it | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | see | 07:46 |
| Luria | gah 357 | 07:46 |
| Luria | i like semis | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | you are now in my power | 07:46 |
| pupnik_ | no hope | 07:47 |
| pupnik_ | you are innocent | 07:47 |
| pupnik_ | but for the fact that i think you know someone | 07:47 |
| K`zan | ignore works fine, but unfortunately they still consume useful oxygen. | 07:47 |
| pupnik_ | who approves of waterboarding | 07:47 |
| pupnik_ | so there is no hope | 07:47 |
| pupnik_ | from now | 07:47 |
| pupnik_ | to the next four years | 07:47 |
| pupnik_ | you will be subject ot the torture | 07:47 |
| pupnik_ | of the state | 07:47 |
| pupnik_ | that says you are the evil | 07:47 |
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| pupnik_ | without the right of proof | 07:47 |
| pupnik_ | and you will be tortured | 07:47 |
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| Luria | sigh... i just saw a sig 219-5-9 on gunsamerica | 07:48 |
| K`zan | Mostly from the middle east and that loony cult. | 07:48 |
| Luria | merely $4000 | 07:48 |
| * K`zan prefers things starting with .4 :-). | 07:48 | |
| K`zan | Yeah, I prefer the working stuff, some of that stuff is just absurdly expensive and to what point? | 07:48 |
| Luria | because it is a serivice pistol that can do .75 inch at 100yds | 07:49 |
| K`zan | Old tokarovs are pretty decent for the purpose intended, but ammo ain't cheap. | 07:49 |
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| Luria | not a carry weapon, but a thing of beauty. | 07:50 |
| K`zan | Heh, these daysn not ammo is cheap... | 07:50 |
| K`zan | Not in my budget, unfortunately. | 07:50 |
| Luria | nor mine | 07:50 |
| Luria | plus shooting is hard in nyc | 07:50 |
| K`zan | Only for folks who obey the law. | 07:51 |
| K`zan | Bad laws. | 07:51 |
| Luria | you have no idea | 07:51 |
| K`zan | Yes, I do. lives in chicago for way too long. | 07:51 |
| Luria | nyc laws force shooters to buy guns | 07:51 |
| |R | haha what? | 07:52 |
| K`zan | Yep, to have a prayer against the criminals, they make you one. Disgusting. | 07:52 |
| Luria | i cant get a license ($450) without buying a gun | 07:52 |
| K`zan | According to the second, licensing is just flat wrong. | 07:52 |
| Luria | if you are approved for a home premises permit, you have 30 days to purchase a gun, or the permit expires | 07:53 |
| K`zan | When your ability to protect you and yours the law is bad. | 07:53 |
| K`zan | Draw a money flow diagram :-). | 07:53 |
| Luria | so you cant rent guns in nyc | 07:53 |
| K`zan | I have been in NYC and will never set foot in that sewer EVER again. | 07:53 |
| K`zan | I have been in NYC twice and will never set foot in that sewer EVER again. | 07:54 |
| Luria | (other than .22 rifles at one pistol range) | 07:54 |
| K`zan | Ditto chicago. | 07:54 |
| K`zan | The pols make crim pay extremly well... | 07:54 |
| K`zan | sheez, I can't type tonight... | 07:54 |
| Luria | oh please. nyc rocks. gun laws here suck, but a life lived elsewhere is a life less lived. | 07:55 |
| Phobbe1 | K`zan: where in NYC were you? It's a city of much variety. :) | 07:55 |
| K`zan | Thanks, I'll take freedom over a "life" there. | 07:55 |
| * timeless grumbles | 07:55 | |
| K`zan | Went through it, too depressing for me. | 07:55 |
| * timeless wants to request a gun free discussion zone | 07:55 | |
| K`zan | Stinky sardine can :-). | 07:55 |
| K`zan | /join #vmmst :-) | 07:56 |
| Phobbe1 | ahh, perhaps you were actually in jersey | 07:56 |
| timeless | sardine, now that's on topic | 07:56 |
| Luria | hmmm nokia app... ballisitc lookup/shot recording | 07:56 |
| K`zan | LOL, I only went there once :-). Told my boss at the time that if he ever sent me to the NE US I'd quit. Did. | 07:56 |
| Luria | hmmm maybe an x-5... | 07:57 |
| K`zan | As far as I am personally concerned, the world (in the US) doesn't exist north of the mason-dixon line and east of the Mississippi river :). | 07:57 |
| Luria | sorry your world is so small. | 07:57 |
| celesteh | That explains many of your political ideas. . . . | 07:58 |
| Phobbe1 | what about new hamshire? That's a bastion of libertarian freedom. and it's perdy | 07:58 |
| Luria | plus if you are a shooter, you are missing out on VT and PA | 07:58 |
| K`zan | Yep, I study history as a hobby -) | 07:58 |
| Luria | no licensing in VT | 07:58 |
| K`zan | Not to say that there are not some good places and even people in that void, I just don't want to go there - too close to MA :-). | 07:59 |
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| celesteh | punik_, i'm right there with you on the torture issue. | 07:59 |
| * K`zan is a country gal. | 08:00 | |
| celesteh | pupnik_, i mean | 08:00 |
| celesteh | What? MA is cool. Well, cold actually | 08:00 |
| celesteh | but the people who live there are pretty happy | 08:00 |
| K`zan | Nobody should but there are people to whom it works and is right. | 08:00 |
| Luria | one of these days i have to send in my FL CWP paperwork | 08:00 |
| pupnik_ | i'm saying | 08:01 |
| Luria | gah. red sox fans. | 08:01 |
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| pupnik_ | if you live in the mother fucking USA | 08:01 |
| pupnik_ | and you do not go out there and promote ron paul | 08:01 |
| K`zan | LOL | 08:01 |
| celesteh | we're supposed to be the most moral country on earth or something. so why not act like it? | 08:01 |
| pupnik_ | then you have to defend your sick brain right here and now | 08:01 |
| pupnik_ | no you are poisoned | 08:01 |
| K`zan | This is almost like living here in scabattle. | 08:01 |
| celesteh | no, see, that's the part where i don't follow your logic | 08:01 |
| pupnik_ | K`zan: where do you live | 08:01 |
| K`zan | celesteh: Because there are people far worse than ANYTHING the US will ever do, I hope you never meet those that make shit like that necessary. | 08:02 |
| Luria | pupnik_, didnt know you support racist politicians. | 08:02 |
| pupnik_ | the ability for you to use linux on your tablet is a core issue of maemo | 08:02 |
| pupnik_ | lol Luria | 08:02 |
| celesteh | wouldn't working with pre-existing structures that work internationally to promote peace and conforming to international law be the solution to american lawlessness? | 08:02 |
| K`zan | Seattle, WA USA - the only US city with a public statue of Lenin... | 08:02 |
| pupnik_ | you ready to start? All other topics are dead if you want to engage | 08:03 |
| celesteh | i love that statue | 08:03 |
| K`zan | Show me somethng that works and we'll talk. | 08:03 |
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| K`zan | Coddling terrorist only makes them bolder. | 08:03 |
| Luria | afk | 08:03 |
| celesteh | no, see, what's worse than torturing people? | 08:03 |
| pupnik_ | If you want me to respond, then invoke my name like luria | 08:03 |
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| pupnik_ | luria has my respect | 08:03 |
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| New | testing~~ | 08:04 |
| pupnik_ | this channel has been waterboarded | 08:04 |
| K`zan | Disgust is not waterboarding either :) | 08:04 |
| celesteh | i mean, what makes people do something as desperate as blowing themselves up? they've got to be really unhappy or angry | 08:04 |
| pupnik_ | you are drowning | 08:04 |
| pupnik_ | you have no air | 08:04 |
| K`zan | Mentally defective? Lazy? Stupid? | 08:04 |
| pupnik_ | you can not breathe | 08:04 |
| pupnik_ | you have no oxygen | 08:04 |
| K`zan | Only briefly :) | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | there is no food left for any thought | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | there is only null | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | null | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | null | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | null | 08:05 |
| celesteh | my gf's sister is developmentally disabled. thanks for implying she might be a terrorist. i know her family appreciates it when people say stupid shit like that | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | and you approach death | 08:05 |
| K`zan | That is the point, get answers, save lives of people worth having alive. | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | and you are not guilty | 08:05 |
| K`zan | celesteh: Get real. | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | you are only a goat herd | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | you are only a maemo fan | 08:05 |
| celesteh | get real how? "mentally defective" | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | ? | 08:05 |
| K`zan | OK, I've had enough sillyness. | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | you only like maemo? | 08:05 |
| pupnik_ | you only want to milk the goats? | 08:06 |
| celesteh | it's silly because it effects other people, right | 08:06 |
| pupnik_ | you only want to milk the internet tablets? | 08:06 |
| pupnik_ | but you are strapped to the board? | 08:06 |
| celesteh | ok, here's the scenario: there's a ticking time bomb! | 08:06 |
| pupnik_ | and you are plunged into the water? | 08:06 |
| pupnik_ | and then you are inhaling the water? | 08:06 |
| celesteh | we're pretty sure pupnik_ planted it | 08:06 |
| r4dar | i am strapped to the board | 08:06 |
| pupnik_ | BUT WHY WHY | 08:06 |
| r4dar | upside down | 08:06 |
| r4dar | i can't breath | 08:06 |
| pupnik_ | WHY WHY | 08:06 |
| r4dar | i can't breathe!! | 08:06 |
| celesteh | but we don't know where he is! | 08:06 |
| pupnik_ | WHY IS THIS CNANLE | 08:06 |
| pupnik_ | WHY ARE WE TALKING | 08:06 |
| pupnik_ | WBOUT THW TOUIH | 08:07 |
| celesteh | r4dar knows where he is | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | TNTYHE | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | T | 08:07 |
| celesteh | but r4der isn't saying where he is | 08:07 |
| r4dar | the water in my nose i inhaled it into my lungs | 08:07 |
| celesteh | do we torture r4der? | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | for no reason | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | maemo was waterboarded | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | but | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | you | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | can | 08:07 |
| r4dar | i can't breathe!!!! | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | not | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | stop | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | the | 08:07 |
| r4dar | i'm innocent wtf! | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | right | 08:07 |
| celesteh | r4dar gets wide to this and goes into hiding before we catch them | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | i'm just fucking with #maemo | 08:07 |
| celesteh | so let's arrest r4der's brother | 08:08 |
| celesteh | or the brother's hairdresser | 08:08 |
| pupnik_ | it will continue until you support Ron Paul | 08:08 |
| celesteh | lol | 08:08 |
| K`zan | "If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting" --General Curtis LeMay | 08:08 |
| pupnik_ | not funny | 08:08 |
| K`zan | And that is all I have to say on the subject. | 08:08 |
| pupnik_ | cunt | 08:08 |
| pupnik_ | dripping slimy cunt | 08:08 |
| tesh609 | I dare you to waterboard your nokias, and see whether they tell you any good info after that. | 08:08 |
| celesteh | sexist insults coming from where? | 08:09 |
| pupnik_ | no nokia is now waterboarded | 08:09 |
| pupnik_ | freedom is dead | 08:09 |
| |R | haha | 08:09 |
| pupnik_ | go to the freenode ops | 08:09 |
| r4dar | you are waterboarding me so I suppport Ron Paul? | 08:09 |
| celesteh | ron paul, the libretarian utopia where it's cool to call women by super sexist names | 08:09 |
| pupnik_ | i am the #maemo neocon | 08:09 |
| celesteh | yeah, this is why i can't get behind him | 08:09 |
| r4dar | can you promise he will eliminate waterboarding from the CIA? | 08:10 |
| pupnik_ | i will waterboard #maemo | 08:10 |
| celesteh | i don't think we need to pick between respecting rights at home and abroad | 08:10 |
| tesh609 | he'll find "viable alternatives" | 08:10 |
| r4dar | is Ron Paul against waterboarding? | 08:10 |
| pupnik_ | until you guys ...eh... uhtil i go to sleep | 08:10 |
| pupnik_ | YES~! | 08:10 |
| r4dar | not again! | 08:10 |
| r4dar | okay okay | 08:10 |
| celesteh | until you get frustrated at call us "slimy dripping cunts?" | 08:10 |
| r4dar | I will support Ron Paul | 08:10 |
| r4dar | no one deserved to be waterboarded | 08:10 |
| pupnik_ | hi r4dar you are VERY STUPID | 08:10 |
| pupnik_ | read | 08:10 |
| celesteh | I'll support anybody who calls me a slimy dripping cunt! where do i sign up? | 08:11 |
| celesteh | Ron Paul seems more and more like a Lyndon LaRouche for the 21st century | 08:11 |
| pupnik_ | HI PEOPLE IN MAEMO PLESE SHUT THE FUCK UP | 08:11 |
| tesh609 | haha | 08:11 |
| pupnik_ | PLEASE READ ANTIWAR>COM | 08:11 |
| |R | AND MERRY X-MAS ? :P | 08:11 |
| pupnik_ | SHUT THE FUCK UP | 08:11 |
| tesh609 | LaRouche, nice. | 08:11 |
| pupnik_ | YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID | 08:11 |
| celesteh | pupnik_, you used to be really cool . . . but um . . . | 08:11 |
| pupnik_ | THIS IS YOUR MENTAL WATERMBOARDING | 08:11 |
| celesteh | calling people fucking stupid isn't so cool | 08:11 |
| tesh609 | alcohol getting through | 08:11 |
| pupnik_ | i think it is | 08:11 |
| pupnik_ | but i'll stop - thx | 08:12 |
| Luria | eh, wtf | 08:12 |
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| celesteh | well, generally the way to get people to come around to your point of view isn't by calling them stupid | 08:12 |
| celesteh | or by showing hostyility to 51% of the population by using sex-based insults | 08:12 |
| celesteh | it has a way of turning people off | 08:12 |
| tesh609 | unless you're waterboarding them througoutfully ... | 08:12 |
| Luria | christ. i just like shooting. | 08:12 |
| tesh609 | when there's a will, there's a way. A watery way. | 08:13 |
| celesteh | fuck man, torture isn't funny, but it has a way of becoming so when we're all fucking stupid | 08:13 |
| Luria | whatever, leave the morality of torture aside; its not particularly effective. | 08:14 |
| celesteh | indeed | 08:14 |
| tesh609 | maybe was it sarcasm.. | 08:14 |
| celesteh | i can't say how much it alarms me that the national debate on whether or not we should torture hinges on it's effectiveness. . . or that there's a debate at all | 08:15 |
| tesh609 | yeah it really is pityful | 08:15 |
| Luria | why not? | 08:16 |
| celesteh | I miss being the good guys | 08:16 |
| Luria | morals are subject to debate | 08:16 |
| celesteh | well, yeah, but torturing people shouldn't be a grey area | 08:16 |
| tesh609 | forcing physically/mentally unpleasant things onto others aren't. | 08:16 |
| celesteh | i remember when we used to say other countries were bad because they did it. | 08:16 |
| celesteh | i miss those hypocritical days | 08:17 |
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| tesh609 | well, it's always the same. | 08:17 |
| Luria | actually the problem is not doing it,but the standards and oversight and the conditions that merit it. | 08:17 |
| Luria | and the definition. | 08:17 |
| Luria | for then, why incarcerate people. | 08:17 |
| Luria | i can make a straight faced argument that prison is torture. | 08:18 |
| Luria | therefore, no one should be in prison. | 08:18 |
| Luria | by that aforementioned reasoning. | 08:18 |
| celesteh | the idea is that first of all, people get a trial. and the punishment fit the crime | 08:18 |
| tesh609 | burning dead people that signed waver to let us do so, vs keeping someone alive constantly drowning isn't quite a good comparison. | 08:18 |
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| Luria | while im am actually enjoying this, | 08:19 |
| celesteh | but american prison does indeed involve torture, given the frequency of prison rape | 08:19 |
| Luria | i dont feel i can be as articulate as possible on my bt keyboard | 08:19 |
| celesteh | heh | 08:20 |
| tesh609 | and the quantity of people in prison per capital. | 08:20 |
| tesh609 | capita | 08:20 |
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| celesteh | non-violent drug offenders . . . prison doesn't reduce the levels of drug use overall, but it does spread AIDS | 08:20 |
| Luria | who are you trying to convince? | 08:20 |
| Luria | err... whom | 08:21 |
| r4dar | we are going to become the good guys once again | 08:21 |
| celesteh | I don't know. It's like, I agree with Ron Paul supporters about all of these problems existing, but then their solution just . . . . doesn't seem to follow | 08:21 |
| r4dar | http://ronpaul2008.com | 08:21 |
| r4dar | =) | 08:21 |
| tesh609 | haha yeah right. | 08:21 |
| celesteh | even a little bit | 08:21 |
| celesteh | also, the cultishness is alarming | 08:22 |
| Luria | oh joy, the moral conviction to do nothing, ever. | 08:22 |
| r4dar | celesteh: what policy bothers you? | 08:22 |
| Luria | thats just what i want. | 08:22 |
| celesteh | well, sending so many people to prison | 08:22 |
| celesteh | and invading other countries overseas and generally being a rogue state | 08:22 |
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| r4dar | celesteh: right... so why are you against leaving Iraq and defending our own land | 08:23 |
| celesteh | i'm all for peace at home and abroad. and a social safety net - because you're just as dead if you're killed by direct violence or structural violence | 08:23 |
| r4dar | yeah | 08:23 |
| celesteh | r4dar, i beleive you're putting some words in my mouth there | 08:23 |
| r4dar | maybe | 08:24 |
| Luria | your just as dead if you die from cellular collapse - that does not lead to equating the causes | 08:24 |
| r4dar | I'll just say , as an economist, that the United States is in serious trouble. | 08:24 |
| r4dar | that is my reason for supporting Ron Paul | 08:24 |
| celesteh | to use an overseas example: privatized water: you're just as dead if a foreign company has mercenaries shoot you than if you are because you can't buy food and medecine and water | 08:25 |
| celesteh | the company has caused your death | 08:25 |
| Luria | no it hasnt | 08:25 |
| r4dar | the credit markets are melting down | 08:25 |
| r4dar | 2008 is going to be one nasty year | 08:25 |
| celesteh | if your water bills are so high that you have to go with out antibiotics and starve, and you die of dyssentery, how has it not caused your death? | 08:26 |
| Luria | then boil your water. | 08:26 |
| Luria | trade and make value. | 08:26 |
| celesteh | if half your income is going to water bills, you don't have a lot of wiggle room | 08:27 |
| celesteh | to buy things like fuel for boiling or to trade and make value | 08:27 |
| celesteh | if you're old or already sick | 08:27 |
| Luria | then plan better. or become part of a social network that has support. | 08:28 |
| Luria | but dont compel people to follow your muddy morality | 08:28 |
| celesteh | well, in Bolivia, the World Bank decided that all the water in the country, including rain water, should be sold to a private foreign firm | 08:28 |
| celesteh | which happened | 08:28 |
| celesteh | and so a bunch of old, sick people really had to decide between paying for their medecine or for their water | 08:28 |
| celesteh | people were fined for collecting rain water | 08:29 |
| Luria | then riot against a government that doesnt support you, but takes from you. | 08:29 |
| celesteh | theoretically, maybe all of bolivia could have become refugees | 08:29 |
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| celesteh | well, the world bank gets mostn of it's direction and a lot of it's funding from the US | 08:29 |
| celesteh | so we didn't invade bolivia or bomb them, but we sure killed a lot of bolivians | 08:29 |
| celesteh | before they were able to successfully organize against this | 08:30 |
| r4dar | celesteh: that's unacceptable | 08:30 |
| celesteh | "structural violence" isn't a term i made up. It's something you learn about if you major in international relations | 08:30 |
| r4dar | celesteh: local control | 08:30 |
| celesteh | when i was in college i had a room mate who had such a major | 08:31 |
| celesteh | people foten have to organize internationally to get local control. the bolovians were successful because they got support from all over the world | 08:31 |
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| celesteh | so international structures and organizations can be really helpful to people. globalization doesn't need to only be fore coporations | 08:32 |
| celesteh | NGOs, UNESCO, all of these groups can be really great for workers | 08:33 |
| celesteh | and, aside from the cultishness of the supporters, that's what seems lacking in Ron Paul's platform. He wants to get out of corrupt pro-corporate structures . . .and replace them with nothing. He wants to get out of much less corrupt peaceful structures . . . and replace them with nothing. | 08:34 |
| celesteh | You can't just up and quite the ICC and the UN and SALT, etc etc etc while you still have so many nuclear bombs without scaring the bejeesus out of everybody | 08:34 |
| celesteh | And it's not like he wants to outlaw corporations or multinationals. he just wants to get out of a bunch of the structures that are supposed to monitor them | 08:35 |
| Vulcanis | I would. | 08:35 |
| Vulcanis | Just to scare the bejeesus out of people. | 08:35 |
| celesteh | Right, but it's not a good idea if they also have nukes | 08:35 |
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| Yurivilca | http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t | 08:36 |
| Yurivilca | Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance! | 08:36 |
| Luria | no abiword yet, huh? | 08:36 |
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| celesteh | I wish every ron Paul person would take all this tremendous amounts of energy and take it to the street | 08:37 |
| celesteh | like, Out there with "Us out of Iraq now" signs | 08:37 |
| celesteh | maybe also flyering | 08:37 |
| celesteh | activists in the street have real potential to change things | 08:37 |
| celesteh | like, mobilized in real life, not just on the internet | 08:38 |
| celesteh | i wish all these guys would go to some antiwar protests | 08:38 |
| Luria | clearly the abiword maintainer is oppressing the poor Bolivians, because now they can't use their n800 to write anti WTO literature. | 08:38 |
| Phobbe1 | hehe | 08:38 |
| celesteh | heh | 08:38 |
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| r4dar | you'll see it | 08:39 |
| r4dar | January 1st | 08:39 |
| celesteh | hey, maybe i'm annoying but it's funny that when you talk about solutions other than taking your ball and going home, the ronpaulies go silent | 08:39 |
| r4dar | ronpaul.meetup.com | 08:39 |
| celesteh | oops, spoke too soon | 08:39 |
| r4dar | haha | 08:40 |
| r4dar | that's clever | 08:40 |
| celesteh | if i go to the meetup, will his supporters call me a "slimy dripping cunt," becuase if not, I'm not going | 08:40 |
| r4dar | but i think many would point to the economy immediately after that | 08:40 |
| r4dar | celesteh: you live in US? | 08:41 |
| celesteh | yep | 08:41 |
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| r4dar | i'm they could arrange something! | 08:41 |
| r4dar | sure* | 08:42 |
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| celesteh | um, see, pupnik used that slur earlier to try to convince people and it was actually quite offensive, so i thought it would be ironically amusing to reference it again . . . and nevermind | 08:43 |
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| celesteh | why am i spending my holiday talking politics in #maemo? | 08:43 |
| r4dar | pupnik was so drunk he logged himself out of IRC | 08:44 |
| r4dar | because the Internet is a bastion of free and open discourse | 08:44 |
| celesteh | i'm relieved to hear that he was drunk and hasn't just lost it | 08:44 |
| celesteh | because my family stresses me out so much that i have to ramp down my annoyance level slowly or i'll go into withdrawl? | 08:45 |
| r4dar | do you know him? | 08:45 |
| celesteh | not personally. i lurk here a lot and he's on all the time. always good with a piece of advice and the software he develops is cool | 08:46 |
| r4dar | ah k | 08:46 |
| r4dar | are you involved with this maemo project? | 08:48 |
| celesteh | i run an n800 and would like to do some development, but since i'm a mac user, it's been not possible so far | 08:48 |
| celesteh | So I'll learn pyhton in my copious free time | 08:48 |
| celesteh | I want to port supercollider to maemo | 08:49 |
| vegai | hmm, still no $100 n810 | 08:49 |
| celesteh | The windows version is written in python, so it might be easier than I think, if i ever get around to it | 08:49 |
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| Phobbe1 | celesteh: I'm going to be doing a lot with testing and expanding the ARM port of PureData on the n800. Here's to portable electronic music! | 08:53 |
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| codi | im trying to compile maemopad 1.5 for ubuntu mobile | 09:19 |
| codi | checking for OSSO... configure: error: | 09:21 |
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| codi | im stuck here , ant pointers | 09:21 |
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| Yurivilca | http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Mike_Huckabee_If_you_vote_for_me_you_live_if_you_don_t | 09:21 |
| Yurivilca | Check out Mike Huckabee's latest psychotic utterance! Vote Romney 2008 He is different!!! | 09:21 |
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| Phobbe1 | I'm having a little path trouble in scratchbox2. whenever a program looks for a configuration file, it's looking relative to my actual root directory, instead of relative to ~/buildroot. There's got to be a way to do this, right? | 09:37 |
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| jga23 | any idea when the repository will be fixed? | 09:37 |
| timeless | next year | 09:38 |
| timeless | jga23: are you in a hurry? | 09:38 |
| timeless | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 09:38 |
| infobot | well, repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 09:38 |
| timeless | if you're in a hurry, that .deb should probably be good enough today | 09:39 |
| Phobbe1 | timeless: what's the difference between those repos and the repostory.maemo.org (notice the removed I)? | 09:39 |
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| timeless | probbe1: repostory is stage, which is the backing service for my repository and the CFN | 09:41 |
| timeless | s/CFN//CDN | 09:41 |
| timeless | the reason there's a CDN is because the backing service can't deal w/ the load | 09:41 |
| timeless | but the problem w/ the clever "hack" | 09:42 |
| timeless | is that from what i understand, the application manager will pin installs by repository | 09:42 |
| timeless | i believe (but have no useful way to verify) that if you install something from repostory, you won't be able to later upgrade to a deb from respository | 09:42 |
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| Phobbe1 | how is the application manager different from apt-get (which is what I'm used to)? | 09:44 |
| Phobbe1 | (besides a pretty interface) | 09:44 |
| * timeless ponders | 09:45 | |
| * timeless shrugs | 09:45 | |
| Vulcanis | it has matrix references | 09:45 |
| timeless | that's kinda like asking how kubuntu is different from debian | 09:46 |
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| timeless | if you have the mxr-maemo-org-dns deb, then this url http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/ would let you read the source | 09:47 |
| timeless | infobot mxr-maemo-org deb | 09:48 |
| timeless | infobot mxr.maemo.org deb | 09:48 |
| infobot | [mxr.maemo.org deb] unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 09:48 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/ | 09:48 |
| timeless | is the same content (different branding) | 09:48 |
| Phobbe1 | Vulcanis: what are matrix references? | 09:49 |
| Vulcanis | redpill/bluepill mode. | 09:49 |
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| Phobbe1 | Vulcanis: hehe, I was trying to figure out how to organize dependency information into some sort of matrix or something | 09:50 |
| Vulcanis | Yeah, its what I get for being tired in a room full of tech litterate people. | 09:51 |
| Phobbe1 | :) | 09:51 |
| * Phobbe1 whacks his head into scratchbox | 09:54 | |
| Vulcanis | Stop, you might hurt it. | 09:56 |
| Vulcanis | Scratchbox, not your head. | 09:56 |
| timeless | would anyone notice? | 09:56 |
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| New | How to add the expression picture | 09:57 |
| timeless | ? | 09:58 |
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| New | such as a smile face | 09:59 |
| New | or makes the ugly face | 10:00 |
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| Phobbe1 | if you're seeing graphics for those, they're being done by your IRC client whenever somebody else does a regular emoticon. For instance, when I combine a ":" with a ")" it becomes :) | 10:02 |
| New | thank,i know :) | 10:03 |
| New | :( | 10:03 |
| New | :This is the my second day to here,:) | 10:04 |
| New | This is the my second day to here,:) | 10:05 |
| New | :) | 10:05 |
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| Vulc|Sleepysleep | Yeah, its like my tenth | 10:05 |
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| truent | anyone pretty fluent in how to use dbus? and/or dbus-send | 10:06 |
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| truent | forget pretty fluent, this may be elementary ;p | 10:12 |
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| New | :p | 10:12 |
| alp | truent: sure. best strategy is to just ask :-) | 10:13 |
| timeless | heh | 10:13 |
| truent | suppose so heh | 10:13 |
| timeless | yeah | 10:13 |
| truent | hcitool is gone in os2008.. im trying to use the new BlueZ dbus api to scan for available bluetooth devices.. | 10:14 |
| cy3o3 | wow, look at that.. the update is actually working now ;) | 10:14 |
| truent | when i try through dbus-send.. it doesnt give me the output i expect.. it gives me like a reference number of some sort.. doesnt print out anything immediately of use.. | 10:14 |
| New | You will go to look in 2008 Olympic Games?:0 | 10:14 |
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| truent | wondering if theres someway to grab the output through a simple dbus-send call.. as opposed to some signal handler etc | 10:15 |
| truent | org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.DiscoverDevices is the info.. | 10:16 |
| alp | truent: DiscoverDevices is asynchronous, so you need to add watch handlers for the replies. http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/DiscoveringDevices has some good examples | 10:16 |
| timeless | alp: there you go being helpful | 10:16 |
| alp | doing it with dbus-send alone may not be possible | 10:16 |
| truent | thats what i thought, theres no way on the command line to pull that info out? | 10:16 |
| timeless | now he'll have expectations | 10:17 |
| truent | ok | 10:17 |
| alp | timeless: haha. i've had my morning coffee, i'll be helpful for another 20 minutes or so ;-) | 10:17 |
| * timeless thinks there should be a dbus-listen :) | 10:17 | |
| truent | i'll just use the os2007 hcitool until alterego implements our dream ruby-dbus ;) | 10:18 |
| timeless | heh | 10:18 |
| alp | you could hack up something with dbus-monitor but python/c# or a real language is probably the way to go | 10:18 |
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| truent | yeah, im using ruby.. and i know there isnt much support yet.. good ol python has it no prob | 10:18 |
| truent | bastids | 10:18 |
| truent | and im not doing a dbus-script for something as lame as that | 10:19 |
| truent | i'll just include the old hcitool bin in my deb i guess | 10:19 |
| truent | thanks btw alp ;p | 10:19 |
| New | You discuss the thing has been too abstruse, I cannot understand:( | 10:20 |
| alp | truent: you're welcome! | 10:20 |
| truent | new, what language do you understand? | 10:20 |
| timeless | new: you don't have to understand everything | 10:20 |
| timeless | truent: ideally you'd make a deb that contains hcitool | 10:21 |
| timeless | and do a depends a|b | 10:21 |
| timeless | so that if the bluez-utils-test or whatever deb appears, people can get that | 10:21 |
| timeless | instead of you thing | 10:21 |
| truent | and if it doesnt it wont do mine? | 10:21 |
| truent | err will do mine | 10:22 |
| timeless | yeah | 10:22 |
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| truent | yeah im all for some official crap ;p | 10:22 |
| New | You saw me not to understand English? | 10:23 |
| truent | new, what language do you speak? | 10:23 |
| truent | k | 10:24 |
| truent | sounds good | 10:24 |
| New | chinese | 10:24 |
| truent | ahh | 10:24 |
| New | :P | 10:24 |
| truent | ni how ma | 10:24 |
| New | fine!! | 10:25 |
| truent | ;p thats it for me in chinese | 10:25 |
| New | can u speak chinese? | 10:26 |
| truent | no.. chinese friends | 10:26 |
| hahlo | wonder why they doesn't tech chinese and japanese in schools | 10:27 |
| timeless | ? | 10:27 |
| timeless | my high school taught chinese | 10:27 |
| Phobbe1 | I think it's getting more common. especially in schools with money | 10:27 |
| New | have you seen the Chinese character? | 10:27 |
| Phobbe1 | languages don't seem to be a high priority in american schools, though, unfortunately | 10:28 |
| hahlo | my elementary school only english and swedish | 10:28 |
| New | i`ll Writes the Chinese character ÄãÃǺÃ!:P | 10:28 |
| hahlo | chinese can be biggest language now | 10:29 |
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| New | we study english at Elementary school in China | 10:30 |
| New | But we study not well | 10:30 |
| hahlo | yes some reason english seems popular | 10:31 |
| New | I had already studied 20 year English, but has not been able to listen not to be able saying that cannot write | 10:31 |
| New | :( | 10:31 |
| truent | in scratchbox do you have to install by file.. or can you somehow download like normal from repos etc | 10:31 |
| Phobbe1 | truent: you're on a debian system? | 10:32 |
| truent | yeah | 10:32 |
| Phobbe1 | add this line to your sources.list: | 10:32 |
| Phobbe1 | deb http://scratchbox.org/debian stable main | 10:32 |
| mk8 | Hi to all .... I try to upgrade my N800 to chinock .... but a lot of application not work ... :( ... the published OS2008 application too, like map and other ... :( | 10:33 |
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| truent | Phobbe1, scratchbox or my box | 10:34 |
| hahlo | mk8: yeah I had to go back os2007 too | 10:34 |
| Phobbe1 | truent: on your computer | 10:34 |
| Phobbe1 | truent: /etc/apt/sources.list | 10:35 |
| truent | hmm i cant connect to anything | 10:35 |
| Phobbe1 | can you connect to your regular repositories? | 10:35 |
| truent | yeah i did that.. but thats not the prob i dont think hang on | 10:35 |
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| truent | from my box? yeah no prob | 10:35 |
| Phobbe1 | it should connect to that repo just the same as the rest of your regular ones | 10:36 |
| truent | then download from that? | 10:36 |
| mk8 | :( | 10:36 |
| truent | and cp to my scratchbox? | 10:36 |
| Phobbe1 | truent: oh, sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were trying to install scratchbox, not install apps to scratchbox | 10:37 |
| truent | ahh yeah | 10:37 |
| Phobbe1 | truent: what repos do you have in the sources.list inside scratchbox? | 10:38 |
| truent | the normal ones.. actually repostory.maemo.org ;p... but i cant connect to anything i dont think | 10:38 |
| Phobbe1 | can you ping from within scratchbox? | 10:39 |
| truent | pings not avail ;p | 10:39 |
| truent | wget doesnt work though | 10:39 |
| truent | Resolving www.yahoo.com... | 10:39 |
| truent | nothing | 10:39 |
| truent | i saw a faq on this though.. i'll find it no worries | 10:40 |
| truent | bed time methinks ;P | 10:40 |
| Vulc|Sleepysleep | sleep well. | 10:40 |
| truent | g'night! | 10:40 |
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| hahlo | g'morning (GMT +2) | 10:41 |
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| New | g`afternoon:) | 10:42 |
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| hahlo | many timezones here :) | 10:43 |
| Vulc|Sleepysleep | I'm in the only real timezone, so I really could care less about you losers. | 10:43 |
| New | We come from different place | 10:44 |
| hahlo | yes surprisingly many has bought internet tablet | 10:45 |
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| hahlo | even google find few pages with 'hack n800' not any good thou | 10:47 |
| New | is there everybody come from American ? | 10:47 |
| Vulc|Sleepysleep | I am from america, I believe a majority of this channel is. | 10:48 |
| Phobbe1 | yeah, I think that this could be a great platform for open source development, so I'm hoping that the community stays active | 10:48 |
| Phobbe1 | I'm form the US, too | 10:49 |
| Phobbe1 | s/form/from | 10:49 |
| New | i m from China | 10:49 |
| hahlo | no I'm from east europe, rubber boot factory land | 10:49 |
| Vulc|Sleepysleep | Hehe. | 10:49 |
| hahlo | nokia makes good rubber boots that's why I bought n800 too | 10:50 |
| * mardi_ is in UK | 10:50 | |
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| New | is it for Technological exchange in here? | 10:51 |
| hahlo | haven't seen any secret code yet | 10:52 |
| New | ara you talk about nokia? | 10:52 |
| hahlo | about this n800 | 10:53 |
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| hahlo | I thought that I hear something from bootloader, it doesn't seem like open source | 10:54 |
| New | all of you are Technical personnel? | 10:54 |
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| Phobbe1 | hahlo: some(most?) software that comes on the n770/800/810 is not open source. The platform isn't locked down, though, as opposed to say the iphone(although that's been hacked, too) | 10:57 |
| Vulc|Sleepysleep | iphone sdk is getting released soon | 10:57 |
| hahlo | Phobbe1: yeah but I thought maemo is like handhelds to ipaq | 10:58 |
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| New | What I use is Nokia E50, the system is symbian | 10:58 |
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| Phobbe1 | Vulc|Sleepysleep: good point | 10:58 |
| hahlo | handhelds realy tried with many ipaqs | 10:59 |
| Vulc|Sleepysleep | Maemo is ALOT more open than most other handheld OSes | 11:00 |
| hahlo | those which couldn't flash, somebody wrote app to kick wince out of memory and boot familiar from sd card | 11:01 |
| New | how much did u buy nokia n800 in US ? | 11:01 |
| hahlo | I think familiar is more open than os2007 | 11:02 |
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| New | i cant find the quoted price of n800,may be it isnot going on the market in China | 11:03 |
| psykoyiko | okay, so repos are broken | 11:04 |
| psykoyiko | This has probably been asked a hojillion times before, but, um, are there mirrors? | 11:04 |
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| Phobbe1 | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 11:06 |
| infobot | somebody said repository.maemo.org deb was unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 11:06 |
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| New | i inquired n800 price about 3600RMB.and in your city? | 11:08 |
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| Phobbe1 | psykoyiko: that deb basically points your repositories to a mirror. I don't know how well it works or how complete it is, but I think people are using it | 11:09 |
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| psykoyiko | yeah, I inspected it | 11:11 |
| psykoyiko | somebody's dreamhost account | 11:11 |
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| New | who looked at the soap opera "despairs housewife"? | 11:17 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 11:39 |
| New | :) | 11:39 |
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| New | how many cities in US named "fairview"? | 11:41 |
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| Phobbe1 | I just apt-get updated from repository.maemo.org in scratchbox.... | 11:45 |
| Phobbe1 | perhaps they have finally heard our cries and teeth-gnashing? | 11:46 |
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| sibbe | ..and installing maemo-tools succeeded, ~70MB of downloads | 11:48 |
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| Phobbe1 | it was doing so well for a while... | 11:59 |
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| tbf | are there alternatives to navicore? | 12:09 |
| tbf | first this crapware aborts the map download, and now it doesn't even start anymore | 12:09 |
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| Spacer | Hi | 12:12 |
| Spakman_ | Hi! | 12:12 |
| tbf | ho | 12:12 |
| Spacer | I did a manual install of maemo, and after some pains got everything working (xephyr etc), almost.... | 12:12 |
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| Spacer | apparantly I do not have af-sb-init.sh script anywhere | 12:12 |
| Cptnodegard | http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/usb.jpg if this thing doesnt work ill shoot myself -.- | 12:13 |
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| Phobbe1 | Spacer: I just finished working through that problem. what step are you at? | 12:13 |
| Spacer | basically where every guide says "now you are finished and start with af-sb-init.sh" ;) | 12:14 |
| Spacer | i ought to mention I'm on gentoo/amd64 | 12:14 |
| Phobbe1 | do you have the scratchbox environment set up? | 12:14 |
| Spacer | yes, and instralled all the packages as well | 12:14 |
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| Phobbe1 | are you going for just runtime, or a dev environment? | 12:15 |
| Spacer | oh definately dev, going to write apps for the n810 | 12:15 |
| Phobbe1 | so you did | 12:15 |
| Phobbe1 | 'oops | 12:15 |
| Phobbe1 | so you did "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev"? | 12:16 |
| Spacer | ah, let me look | 12:16 |
| Phobbe1 | (or maemo-sdk-debug, if you prefer) | 12:16 |
| Phobbe1 | and make sure you use "fakeroot". (that tripped me up for a while) | 12:17 |
| Spacer | i think I did, im running trough the package list now (btw I dont have apt, i use a script and dpkg found on pleas.org) | 12:17 |
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| Phobbe1 | you're not using apt even inside your scratchbox environment? | 12:19 |
| Spacer | no | 12:19 |
| Phobbe1 | (dependency handling is nice...) :) | 12:19 |
| Spacer | well maybe i am | 12:19 |
| Spacer | im using a script that handles it automatically, i haven't really looked at it ;) | 12:19 |
| Spacer | it seemed to be going nice and no errors | 12:19 |
| Spacer | (hope this wont kick me...) | 12:19 |
| Spacer | [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: /tmp] > sh maemo-sdk-virtuals.sh | 12:20 |
| Phobbe1 | inside your scratchbox, try "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev" and see what happens | 12:20 |
| Spacer | Generating virtual packages provided by Scratchbox | 12:20 |
| Spacer | * autoconf2.13 | 12:20 |
| Spacer | right | 12:20 |
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| Spacer | but i think you are right, i dont see maemo-sdk or anything among the list | 12:20 |
| Phobbe1 | I think that up to that point you're just installing the basic environment, but installing the actual SDK lets you start up a session | 12:21 |
| Spacer | yes that is the problem, no actual maemo sdk, just the rootstrap | 12:21 |
| Spacer | right ;) | 12:21 |
| Spacer | well i have to solve this somehow, apt-get didn't work but i'll find a way | 12:22 |
| Phobbe1 | what happened with apt-get? | 12:22 |
| Spacer | "Couldn't find package maemo-sdk-dev" | 12:22 |
| Phobbe1 | run an "apt-get update" | 12:22 |
| Spacer | aah more output now | 12:23 |
| Phobbe1 | "not in gzip format?" | 12:23 |
| Spacer | yes | 12:23 |
| Phobbe1 | that's because the repositories are foobar'ed right now | 12:23 |
| * jeddy3 would almost kill to have tomboy on his n800 | 12:24 | |
| Phobbe1 | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 12:24 |
| infobot | i heard repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 12:24 |
| Phobbe1 | Spacer: I think that the "correct" solution right now is to download this deb, use "dpkg -i foo.deb" to install it, and then your sources.list should be pointing to a repository that works | 12:25 |
| Spacer | but basically since i have a running scratchbox, i should be able to use apt stuff in spite of the fact my base system is gentoo? | 12:26 |
| Spacer | i mean apt stuff within the scratchbox | 12:26 |
| Spacer | yeah update working better now | 12:27 |
| Phobbe1 | I'm not 100% sure on what the scratchbox environment can and can't do as far as accessing the host system, but I'm pretty sure that even if your host computer is a different distro, you basically have a working debian system inside of scratchbox | 12:27 |
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| Spacer | the fakeroot cmd makes everything point to /targets/chinook_x86 ? | 12:28 |
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| sp3000 | Spacer: fakeroot is a different thing, it just pretends to be root | 12:29 |
| Phobbe1 | fakeroot is kind of like sudo, except that you get root's privledges for file manipulation without becoming the root user | 12:29 |
| Spacer | oh ok | 12:30 |
| New | dinner time~~ | 12:30 |
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| |tbb| | hi all, is it possible to do x-forwarding from n810 to linux-desktoppc | 12:32 |
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| dybnu | New: ？ | 12:33 |
| New | tbb:how much did u buy N810 in your city? | 12:34 |
| Spacer | oh what are these nokia binaries for? and why aren't they gpl? | 12:34 |
| New | hi,dybnu:) | 12:34 |
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| |tbb| | New: dont ask me | 12:35 |
| New | why? | 12:35 |
| |tbb| | to much for my opinion for what i became | 12:35 |
| dybnu | New: 哈哈哈 | 12:35 |
| New | dybnu: ½ñÌìæÂð? | 12:36 |
| Phobbe1 | spacer: Nokia didn't release all the maemo software under the GPL | 12:37 |
| dybnu | New | 12:37 |
| dybnu | New: don't speak chinese PLZ | 12:37 |
| |tbb| | the screen colors arent good as on n800 screen, but its better readable in the sunlight. no fm-chip, the gps chip isnt sirf3 based what it was rumored before | 12:37 |
| Phobbe1 | Spacer: I just installed the binaries and so far it looks like the only difference is the addition of a "contacts" application that doesn't seem to do anything | 12:38 |
| |tbb| | i paid the official nokia online store price for germany | 12:38 |
| New | ok | 12:38 |
| Spacer | ooh good... i feared there was still some necessary but secret stuff in there | 12:38 |
| |tbb| | cause the salepoints doesnt get the unit until mid january. i asked more than one | 12:38 |
| Phobbe1 | Spacer: you should be able to run the gui without the non-GPL stuff | 12:39 |
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| Spacer | weeheee! looks like its finally working! thanks for the help man. Now I have to wait until I can actually buy a n810.. still not available here :( Cant believe im writing software for something i dont actually have | 12:39 |
| Phobbe1 | spacer: what app are you working on? what language? | 12:40 |
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| Spacer | a set of math tools, calculators and stuff, and also astronomy software | 12:40 |
| Spacer | not something most people care for, im afraid | 12:41 |
| |tbb| | anyone has done that before -> x-forwarding from n810 to linux-desktop-pc | 12:42 |
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| Spacer | |tbb|, should be possible, where is the problem? | 12:42 |
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| Phobbe1 | spacer: not quite as sexy as quake2, but there's nothing wrong with making useful tool out of a toy, eh? | 12:43 |
| Spacer | exactly ;) | 12:43 |
| Spacer | basically i was planning on using it to take pdf/articles with me and use it as a very fancy graphical calculator | 12:43 |
| Phobbe1 | Spacer: RPN? (I love my HP48G) | 12:43 |
| Spacer | kinda silly you can buy it in germany but not in holland :( | 12:44 |
| Spacer | i only had this HP thing, but its lcd screen was clunky | 12:44 |
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| Spacer | Phobbe1, is Nokia's battery life statement accurate? | 12:45 |
| Phobbe1 | Spacer: I don't know, I don't have the hardware either. :) | 12:46 |
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| Phobbe1 | I've got an N800 coming in the mail on the 28th | 12:46 |
| pemdasi | I've had an idea floating in my head for the last few days | 12:46 |
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| Spacer | do the n810 and n800 have identical hardware? | 12:47 |
| pemdasi | about writing a simple python app to control modplug in gstreamer | 12:47 |
| pemdasi | and soldering a mic jack onto an n800 | 12:47 |
| Phobbe1 | the N800 doesn't have the slide-out keyboard | 12:47 |
| pemdasi | and using the n800 as a realtime effects processor | 12:47 |
| oil_ | do you know how much would cost a new touch screen for N800? Mine got really scratched. | 12:47 |
| maddler | Spacer: almost... | 12:47 |
| Spacer | it appears the Nxxx draw a lot of hackers ;) | 12:47 |
| pemdasi | I wonder how bad latency would be | 12:48 |
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| Phobbe1 | pemdasi: they've ported PureData to run on ARM processors, one of my main reasons for getting an N800 is to play around with it as a portable electronic-music making machine | 12:49 |
| pemdasi | Phobbe1: Oh? That's a good reason to look into PD | 12:49 |
| pemdasi | I've put it off constantly | 12:49 |
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| pemdasi | oh, I did see that, pure data for pda | 12:50 |
| Phobbe1 | pemdasi: I can't recommend it enough. I do pretty much all my coding in PD, MatLab, or Python | 12:50 |
| Spacer | MatLab? music?? | 12:50 |
| hugolp | Phobbe1: but the N800 wont be able to handle too much sintetizers or stuff | 12:51 |
| Phobbe1 | Spacer: I haven't done any full pieces in Matlab, but I've been toying with the idea | 12:51 |
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| Spacer | what kind of music are you in? | 12:51 |
| pemdasi | "calculations. For the implementation side this means that all signal processing (tilde) objects had to be rewritten in order to do their calculations with fixed point numbers. The control calculations are still in floating point and therefore a lot slower. | 12:52 |
| pemdasi | Because of this, it is not straight forward to port externals that are written for Pd to PDa. This means that there are no graphics extensions, additional filters or other additional objects. " | 12:52 |
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| timeless | sp3000: you in today? | 12:52 |
| timeless | got lunch plans? | 12:52 |
| Phobbe1 | Spacer: I tour with a band called Capillary Action playing upright and electric basses, and I do live experimental electroacoustic stuff | 12:52 |
| Spacer | very nice, i love enjoying it but how its made is dark magic to me | 12:53 |
| Phobbe1 | pemdasi: yeah, I don't really have any idea how much performance I can squeeze out of this little guy.. | 12:53 |
| Spacer | anyone know where i can find lspci or /proc infos from the n8xx ? | 12:54 |
| |tbb| | spacer, havent tested it yet, but i will try it | 12:54 |
| Phobbe1 | Spacer: (I'm also finishing up my Electrical Engineering degree) | 12:54 |
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| Spacer | cool im working on my physics phd | 12:55 |
| Phobbe1 | Spacer: in astronomy, I presume? | 12:55 |
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| Spacer | no, thats just a personal hobby of mine, my main field is plasma physics | 12:56 |
| Spacer | high energy plasmas | 12:56 |
| timeless | hrm, that's odd | 12:56 |
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| Spacer | so im planning on using the n8xx as a mobile calculator/plotter/article repos/etc... | 12:57 |
| timeless | oh, sucks to be me | 12:57 |
| Spacer | i dont know of any ordinary calculator that can give me the value of J0(23.114) | 12:57 |
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| timeless | sp3000, http://mxr.maemo.org/maemo/ just got the visual refresh | 12:58 |
| pemdasi | just installed pda | 12:59 |
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| Phobbe1 | pemdasi: is it working straight out of the box? | 13:02 |
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| pemdasi | I'm playing around with it | 13:02 |
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| pemdasi | I'm not at all familiar with PD | 13:02 |
| pemdasi | but it's running | 13:02 |
| Phobbe1 | pemdasi: I'm glad it's so easy! | 13:02 |
| pemdasi | not sure how to get any audio to play | 13:02 |
| pemdasi | well, there's a deb on the pda site | 13:03 |
| pemdasi | and it installed on os2008 easily | 13:03 |
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| Spacer | does the device have the full set of GTK+ APIs? | 13:05 |
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| GNUton | Hi | 13:06 |
| Spacer | hi | 13:06 |
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| blackd0t | Good morning | 13:07 |
| Spacer | siema | 13:07 |
| blackd0t | siema :) | 13:07 |
| blackd0t | I'm currently trying to compile my program on maemo using libpcap, but it gives me the "undefined reference" linker errors on pcap_* functions, so I guess there must be some problem with reading the installed libraries. Tell me if the compile line is fine for maemo: gcc -o prog prog.c -lpcap | 13:09 |
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| |tbb| | pemdasi whats pda | 13:10 |
| pemdasi | hm | 13:10 |
| pemdasi | do you know what pure data is? | 13:10 |
| Phobbe1 | |tbb|: PDa is a port of PD(PureData) that'd designed to run on ARM processors | 13:10 |
| pemdasi | I'm having trouble getting it to output audio | 13:11 |
| pemdasi | /dev/dsp (read/write): no such file or directory | 13:11 |
| Phobbe1 | PureData is a graphical programming language primarily used for audio processing/synthesis, but also for video and pretty much anything else | 13:11 |
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| Phobbe1 | (the PDa port doesn't have the video stuff, though) | 13:11 |
| Phobbe1 | pemdasi: hmmm...I don't know how the audio backend works in maemo. is it OSS? | 13:12 |
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| |tbb| | ah k | 13:13 |
| pemdasi | I don't know enough about it myself. | 13:13 |
| Phobbe1 | pemdasi: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/enablinggstreamersupport/ | 13:16 |
| Phobbe1 | it looks like you might need to install some gstreamer packages to make the OSS interface (/dev/dsp) available | 13:16 |
| pemdasi | hm | 13:17 |
| pemdasi | Well | 13:20 |
| pemdasi | /proc/asound and /dev/sndstat exist already | 13:20 |
| pemdasi | that wiki entry is for the 770 | 13:20 |
| Phobbe1 | perhaps you have the alsa layer, but not the OSS layer? | 13:22 |
| pemdasi | /dev/sndstat is oss | 13:23 |
| |tbb| | is there a gconf ui ported to os2008, allready? | 13:23 |
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| pemdasi | PDa crashed several times | 13:29 |
| pemdasi | something is odd here | 13:29 |
| pemdasi | will look into it more | 13:29 |
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| Phobbe1 | pemdasi: hrmm. Well, as of the 28th I'll be hacking away at it, too | 13:30 |
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| sandyang | :P | 13:31 |
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| blackd0t | Dang, I keep getting the "undefined reference to 'pcap_lookupnet'" errors when compiling. Seems that gcc is totally ignoring the -lpcap flag. Does anyone know what may be the problem? | 13:36 |
| Phobbe1 | ok...sleep... | 13:38 |
| Phobbe1 | g'night | 13:38 |
| blackd0t | good night | 13:38 |
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| sandyang | hello everybody | 13:40 |
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| maddler | Jaffa: ping | 13:42 |
| |tbb| | Zeitüberschreitung: der Anforderung | 13:49 |
| |tbb| | maddler ;) | 13:49 |
| sandyang | :? | 13:49 |
| sandyang | :? | 13:49 |
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| maddler | |tbb|: ? | 13:51 |
| maddler | am I missing smtg? :) | 13:52 |
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| |tbb| | maddler: forgotten you were an italian. thinking of german. meaning ping request timeout | 13:55 |
| maddler | hehehehe... :) | 13:56 |
| maddler | I should take german lessons! :D | 13:58 |
| maddler | or spanish... | 13:58 |
| maddler | dunno! :D | 13:58 |
| maddler | should take a decision... :) | 13:58 |
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| Luria | so does anyone else have trouble with disappearing home screen applets? | 14:39 |
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| Luria | or is this a special present for me? | 14:39 |
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| |tbb| | nice if u lock the n810 device (keyboard and screen) and u slide the keyboard out, then it unlock the locking mode. if u slide the keyboard back in, the touch will be locked again. the only bad if u slide out the kbd and doing something then sliding it back the touch wont go back in locking mode. | 14:41 |
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| Luria | that kinda makes sense. | 14:41 |
| Luria | how would it know that you arent simply done using the kybd, but still working? | 14:42 |
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| guardian | anyone using sbox2 ? | 14:44 |
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| |tbb| | if i type something on the keyboard and slide it back it should locked again (cause it also turn off the screen, which is nice) | 14:46 |
| guardian | anyone using sbox2 ? | 14:46 |
| gm_ | what is with maemo's city list | 14:47 |
| gm_ | it seems to be missing quite a few cities | 14:48 |
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| gm_ | my city may only have 1.1 million people in it... | 14:49 |
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| gm_ | whoa, that is scary | 14:50 |
| gm_ | i google for "maemo set timezone", one of the results | 14:50 |
| gm_ | http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/category/n800 | 14:50 |
| gm_ | ... and he's in the same city at me | 14:51 |
| gm_ | *as | 14:51 |
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| Khertan | re | 15:22 |
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| dominik_ | hi ...if have uninstalled ->apt *grml* ,some essential packages like ke-recv. no i need a source for this packeges. thx | 15:28 |
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| kulve | dominik_: ke-recv is closed source and there's no source for it (afaik) | 15:34 |
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| crevetor | timeless: there ? | 15:35 |
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| dominik_ | kulve, but a package ist available | 15:37 |
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| timeless | crevetor: yeah | 15:53 |
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| crevetor | timeless: hi | 15:58 |
| timeless | lo | 15:59 |
| crevetor | timeless: i'm trying to build a build environnement for maemo but it doesn't work even using your repo (i added this to my /etc/hosts : 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org | 15:59 |
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| ixiso | crevetor: do you use a proxy server? | 16:05 |
| ixiso | That might be the cause | 16:05 |
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| crevetor | ixiso: nope | 16:05 |
| timeless | crevetor: any specific errors? | 16:09 |
| jjo__ | if you want to use some other repository, then the easiest way should be providing the installer with a custom sources.list | 16:09 |
| timeless | crevetor: i have 0 error lines containing "deb" today | 16:10 |
| crevetor | timeless: yes : size mismatch when apt-getting all the packages | 16:10 |
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| timeless | crevetor: if you load http://repository.maemo.org in the web browser, what do you see? | 16:14 |
| crevetor | ok i think I found what was wrong | 16:15 |
| crevetor | the process uses fakeroot and doesn't use the /etc/host from the host, i modified /scratchbox/etc/hosts.conf and it seems to be working | 16:15 |
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| bummie | can someone tell me please how i can reinstall the package ke-recv ? | 16:17 |
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| timeless | crevetor: hrm | 16:20 |
| timeless | the .deb was supposed to deal w/ that | 16:20 |
| timeless | wait, hosts.conf ?! | 16:20 |
| timeless | what in the world is hosts.conf? | 16:20 |
| crevetor | timeless: host.conf in scratchbox | 16:21 |
| crevetor | it's not on the tablet | 16:21 |
| crevetor | it's on my computer | 16:21 |
| crevetor | it's the build env for maemo | 16:21 |
| * timeless nods | 16:21 | |
| timeless | [sbox-i386-csgcc34.build: ~] > cat /scratchbox/etc/host.conf | 16:22 |
| timeless | multi on | 16:22 |
| timeless | anyway, if the .deb isn't doing the right munging for scratchbox, i'd like to know | 16:22 |
| truls | crevetor means /scratchbox/etc/hosts i think? | 16:22 |
| timeless | i tried to make it do the right thing... | 16:22 |
| crevetor | hum mine contains that too | 16:22 |
| crevetor | it must have been hosts then... | 16:22 |
| * truls butts out ;) | 16:23 | |
| timeless | [sbox-i386-csgcc34.build: ~] > dpkg -i repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 16:23 |
| timeless | dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege | 16:23 |
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| crevetor | timeless: what does it contain if you're not in the sbox env | 16:23 |
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| timeless | crevetor: ok... | 16:25 |
| timeless | so, um, i don't think i can make the deb work properly from inside scratchbox | 16:25 |
| timeless | because the file it needs to edit really is owned by root | 16:25 |
| crevetor | timeless: yes, i had to update it from ouside scratchbox with root privileges | 16:26 |
| timeless | :(, ok, so what's the best advice? | 16:26 |
| timeless | i mean, i could generate a script that people could run | 16:26 |
| timeless | or something | 16:26 |
| truls | so how can debs install stuff inside scratchbox if it can't mess with files owned by root? | 16:26 |
| crevetor | timeless: I think devs are clever enough to update a /etc/hosts themselves | 16:26 |
| timeless | truls: most files aren't really owned by root | 16:27 |
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| timeless | although the exact details of how scratchbox lies about ownership is beyond me | 16:27 |
| truls | i see | 16:27 |
| truls | in my scratchbox, /etc/hosts isn't owned by root | 16:28 |
| crevetor | timeless: I don't know how it works in scratchbox but on the tablet /etc/sudoers allow user to run app manager which installs the debs to it has root access anyways | 16:28 |
| timeless | truls: /etc/hosts isn't owned by root, but /scratchbox/etc/hosts is | 16:28 |
| timeless | and my script tried to edit the latter if it found it was scratchboxed :) | 16:28 |
| truls | ahh, sorry | 16:29 |
| timeless | truls: not your fault | 16:29 |
| crevetor | timeless: your dpkg -i is run in the sbox env right ? | 16:29 |
| timeless | crevetor: the one i pasted was, yead | 16:29 |
| * timeless wonders what'd happen if it was run from outside | 16:30 | |
| timeless | i can try that :) | 16:30 |
| crevetor | timeless: you could create a package that updates /scratchbox/etc/hosts | 16:30 |
| crevetor | since dpkg has to be run as root | 16:30 |
| crevetor | same idea | 16:30 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1/DEBIAN/postinst | 16:30 |
| timeless | you can see what the package does today :) | 16:30 |
| truls | isn't echo dangerous? no guarantee the user sees it if he installs lots of stuff? | 16:31 |
| crevetor | oh ok so you'd just have to run it from outside sbox | 16:31 |
| timeless | tinderbox:~# dpkg -i /tmp/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 16:32 |
| timeless | Setting up repository-maemo-org-dns (0.1) ... | 16:32 |
| timeless | It seems this is a scratchbox environment. | 16:32 |
| timeless | truls: users better not be pulling this in using deprendencies :) | 16:32 |
| timeless | s/pre/pe/ | 16:32 |
| infobot | timeless meant: truls: users better not be pulling this in using dependencies :) | 16:32 |
| truls | timeless: heh | 16:33 |
| timeless | crevetor: ok, if you try installing the deb as root outside scratchbox, it does the right thing tm | 16:34 |
| timeless | well, for /some/ definition of the right thing (tm) | 16:35 |
| timeless | i.e., it poisons scratchbox instead of poisoning the box | 16:35 |
| timeless | so the deb i'm providing works for devices and people *outside* scratchboxes | 16:36 |
| timeless | i just need to figure out how to detect the inside case | 16:37 |
| truls | see if /etc is a symlink | 16:38 |
| truls | ;) | 16:38 |
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| |tbb| | anyone knows if that powershutdown thing work for os2008 especially n810 | 16:39 |
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| deejoe | I flashed my n800 yesterday. It's sort of like having gotten a new tablet for Christmas. | 16:44 |
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| Jiten | yes, I quite like the changes. (I also flashed it yesterday) | 16:45 |
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| ||cw | is progress being made on os2008 for the 770? | 16:55 |
| timeless | truls: test -w is my friend | 17:02 |
| crevetor | Ok my dev environnement is working :) | 17:02 |
| crevetor | Hey i've heard there has been a port of aircrack tools on the n770, do you know if that's going to be the case for n800/810 ? | 17:07 |
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| bummie | crevetor, i have it installed. ... but not tested ;) | 17:09 |
| crevetor | bummie: on n800? | 17:09 |
| bummie | crevetor, yes | 17:10 |
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| crevetor | bummie: ok where did you get it ? | 17:10 |
| bummie | whois crevetor | 17:10 |
| crevetor | bummie: forgot the / ;) | 17:11 |
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| bummie | crevetor, http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/mullinerorg_chinook.install | 17:13 |
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| crevetor | bummie: thanks | 17:14 |
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| crevetor | bummie: :( it doesn't include airodump :( | 17:19 |
| youam | is there any estimate when repository.maemo.org is going to be okay again? | 17:19 |
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| timeless | crevetor: ok, if you try the latest version of the debs | 17:21 |
| timeless | ideally when you're inside scratchbox the debs should give you a proper user error | 17:22 |
| timeless | either for removing or installing | 17:22 |
| bummie | crevetor, i have hat it installed ... yesterday ... too many ours :) | 17:23 |
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| crevetor | :) | 17:27 |
| crevetor | By the way do any of you have 8 or 16Go mini sd ? | 17:28 |
| thoughtfix | Morning, folks. | 17:29 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 17:30 |
| Khertan | someone know another web/desktop similar to eyeos.org ? | 17:30 |
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| bummie | timeless, do you know the repository url for osso-af ke-recv | 17:34 |
| timeless | bummie: the topic has a thing for searching | 17:35 |
| timeless | however ke-recv is probably closed and therefore not in any public debs | 17:35 |
| timeless | osso-af is probably the same | 17:35 |
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| bummie | timeless, so the only way is to extract the firmware image and do a dpkg-repack on the uninstalled packages ? | 17:37 |
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| timeless | bummie: pretty much | 17:41 |
| timeless | cool, i had reinvented dpkg-repack, i didn't know it existed | 17:42 |
| timeless | 'course, that requires perl :) | 17:42 |
| Khertan | lol | 17:44 |
| crevetor | do you guys know a doc/howto write a python app using the hildon framework | 17:47 |
| zoran | any diff of regular scripting? | 17:48 |
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| zach | hello everyone | 17:56 |
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| guerby | funny bug fmradio disables bluetooth headet ... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2660 | 18:20 |
| ph|ber | where are the menus hiding at? in the filesystem | 18:23 |
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| Khertan | tatata ... tata talalalala tatalalla : PyGTKEditor 2.0.0 is available ... it use gtksourceview | 18:48 |
| Khertan | (gtksourceview2 and his python binding his also available :) ) | 18:48 |
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| ph|ber | anyone??/ | 18:48 |
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| * Khertan dream of a tool that enable to add debian package to a repository only from uploading the .deb package from a web page ... | 18:59 | |
| zoran | hm? | 19:01 |
| * Khertan dream of a world where dputs is deprecated ... where we can simply upload a .deb from the tablet itself ... | 19:03 | |
| Khertan | :) | 19:03 |
| zoran | rsync | 19:03 |
| inz | Khertan, that would be a nightmare, no one would ever upload the source packages anymore | 19:03 |
| Khertan | inz> hum ... right :) | 19:03 |
| Khertan | but where we can upload from the tablet !!! | 19:03 |
| Khertan | python package doesn't really need source ... :) | 19:04 |
| Khertan | s/package/application | 19:04 |
| Khertan | it s already the source ... | 19:04 |
| zoran | rsync via ssh could be your dream | 19:04 |
| Khertan | zoran> rsync ? | 19:04 |
| Khertan | via ssh ? | 19:04 |
| Khertan | hum how ? | 19:04 |
| zoran | works, as I know | 19:04 |
| zoran | have december linux journal? | 19:05 |
| zoran | or november, have to take a look tomorrow | 19:05 |
| inz | Khertan, but it is nice to have a easily replicable package | 19:05 |
| inz | Khertan, otherwise you need to redo all the work the original author did when building the package | 19:06 |
| timeless | inz: i don't understand | 19:06 |
| timeless | otoh, my packages on average have no content, and are arch independent :) | 19:06 |
| inz | timeless, there is a "standard way" of building deb packages (which usually involves dpkg-buildpackage) | 19:07 |
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| inz | timeless, which makes it easy to make a small change and build a package, you don't need to learn yet another build mechanism | 19:08 |
| inz | timeless, but if you only have the program sources, you need to figure out a way to put things in right places etc etc | 19:09 |
| Khertan | inz> as the standard way doesn't work on tablet due to busybox | 19:09 |
| Khertan | inz> i use pypackager ... | 19:09 |
| Khertan | inz > and as i use svn ... to rebuild the package you only need to download it and open the .pkb file with PyPackager :) | 19:10 |
| Khertan | then click on build button. | 19:10 |
| Khertan | no need to use open a term ... use strange command for a user which isn't a dev ... | 19:11 |
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| Khertan | ok of course ... it s not the debian way, it s not standart ... but as i dev onboard ... | 19:11 |
| Khertan | and don't use a desktop because i dev in the train ... | 19:12 |
| Khertan | and have no time for personnal project at home ... it s better than nothing ;) | 19:12 |
| Khertan | zoran> so it s in the december linux journal ? the french one ? | 19:12 |
| zoran | us one | 19:13 |
| Khertan | arg ... | 19:13 |
| zoran | have to go to work and take a look | 19:13 |
| Khertan | don't know that there is the same in us :) | 19:13 |
| Khertan | zoran > send me an email if you can :) | 19:13 |
| Khertan | or just post it here and send me an email ... i ll look in the logs :) | 19:14 |
| zoran | I will be here tomorrow :) | 19:14 |
| Khertan | (i'm not always reading the chan ... but logs logs logs are marvelous ! :) | 19:14 |
| Khertan | zoran> thanks | 19:14 |
| zoran | np | 19:15 |
| inz | Khertan, you could make pypackager to generate a source package ;) | 19:15 |
| Khertan | inz> yeah but i need to understand how source package is build ... | 19:15 |
| Khertan | inz > but yes ... i ve think to do this ... why not ... | 19:16 |
| Khertan | i need some evolution to push PyPackager to a version number >= 1.0 :) | 19:16 |
| Khertan | so ... i ll take my train in 5 min ... bye | 19:17 |
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| script | hi, are there any plans to mirror maemo.org-repository? | 19:22 |
| timeless | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 19:22 |
| infobot | from memory, repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 19:22 |
| script | timeless: thats not what i want | 19:22 |
| script | timeless: are there plans to do it the "right" way? | 19:22 |
| script | like debian is doing | 19:23 |
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| s-k | hello | 19:29 |
| s-k | have a quick question, if anyone can help... | 19:29 |
| s-k | its about setting up a dev env for the n7770 | 19:29 |
| s-k | er 770 | 19:29 |
| s-k | I've compiled a list of resources online | 19:30 |
| s-k | I'm stuck at the point when I try to login into scratchbox, via /scratchbox/login | 19:30 |
| s-k | im getting assertion failures in the source | 19:30 |
| s-k | im on fedora 8, totally updated | 19:31 |
| s-k | on a vm, but i doubt that matters | 19:31 |
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| s-k | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/86457 | 19:33 |
| s-k | that's the bug | 19:33 |
| s-k | but im not running ubuntu | 19:33 |
| s-k | so updating doesn't help me.... | 19:33 |
| s-k | http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/02/installing-maemo-sdk-for-nokia-770.html are the directions I was attempting to follow | 19:34 |
| inz | s-k, have you done: echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso | 19:35 |
| s-k | no | 19:36 |
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| s-k | is that to enable vdso | 19:36 |
| truent | anyone try maemo mapper with i-blue 737 bluetooth gps? | 19:36 |
| inz | s-k, I would guess it actually disables it, but it should fix the assertion problems | 19:37 |
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| s-k | duh, yeah 0 disable 1 enable | 19:38 |
| s-k | heh | 19:38 |
| s-k | ok, let me try that (booting vm) | 19:38 |
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| s-k | inz: I dont have a vdso file | 19:40 |
| s-k | should I touch one | 19:40 |
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| inz | s-k, you probably cannot | 19:44 |
| inz | s-k, then I do not know a solution, there are also some vdso-kernel options, but not sure if they help | 19:44 |
| s-k | hm, ok. | 19:44 |
| s-k | Thanks | 19:45 |
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| thoughtfix | Hmm | 19:53 |
| thoughtfix | editorial plan | 19:53 |
| thoughtfix | The tablets are falling out of favor with other mobile tech bloggers | 19:53 |
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| thoughtfix | but only the ones who cover UMPCs. | 19:53 |
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| thoughtfix | I've tapped Sr. Editor of GottaBeMobile for his views. We'll see | 19:53 |
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| keesj | hi ppl | 20:08 |
| kulve | osso-software-version: Depends: osso-xterm (= 0.14.mh3) | 20:10 |
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| crevetor | how do you change target build env in scratchbox...I can't remember the command :( | 20:20 |
| crevetor | s/.../? | 20:20 |
| kulve | sb-menu | 20:20 |
| timeless | i thoughtfix | 20:21 |
| timeless | script: if there are plans, either you'd know about them | 20:21 |
| inz | sb-conf se <targetname> | 20:21 |
| timeless | or they'd be so secret, i'd be killed for talking about them | 20:21 |
| timeless | but given that nokia picked akamai, i can't imagine they'd switch to something else right away | 20:21 |
| timeless | that and the fact that there are nokia proprietary binaries on the official server | 20:21 |
| timeless | which pretty much prevent any typical mirroring | 20:22 |
| kulve | inz: I'm trying the xterm you build some days ago, but I can't get the parameters to work. I.e. "osso-xterm ssh foo@bar" doesn't do anything. It doesn't even open the xterm | 20:22 |
| kulve | inz: I'm trying while logged in with ssh atm.. | 20:22 |
| script | timeless: but obviously it's broken, no need to say more | 20:23 |
| crevetor | kulve: it keeps telling me to stop my sb env...how would i do that ? | 20:25 |
| kulve | crevetor: you need to kill all processes started from the current session | 20:25 |
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| kulve | sometimes you can use the option in the sb-menu | 20:25 |
| crevetor | ok | 20:25 |
| kulve | "kill all processes" or something | 20:25 |
| crevetor | ok it worked, thanks | 20:26 |
| kulve | inz: ha! I'll take my complaints back. Using "" around the command and its args works | 20:27 |
| kulve | -t | 20:27 |
| inz | kulve, duh | 20:28 |
| kulve | inz: hmm.. Next question. How to get that working from a .desktop file.. | 20:28 |
| inz | kulve, create a shell script ;) | 20:29 |
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| s-k | inz: think I'd have better luck on debian VS fedora? | 20:34 |
| kulve | inz: Exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm "ssh foo@bar" seems to work, if I remove X-Osso-Service. Most likely it will just dbus-launch it discarding the exec thing if the service is said there | 20:34 |
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| kulve | inz: so, thanks :) | 20:36 |
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| inz | s-k, definitely | 20:41 |
| inz | s-k, and better karma too | 20:41 |
| s-k | heh | 20:41 |
| s-k | well, im'a mac user | 20:41 |
| inz | kulve, yeah, if X-Osso-Service is defined, the Exec line is used only for wm class (unless overridden) | 20:42 |
| s-k | but i just grabbed the debian iso | 20:42 |
| ph|ber | anyone using vpnc? | 20:42 |
| inz | s-k, oh well, theny you're damned anyway | 20:42 |
| s-k | i'll boot that into my vm and try again | 20:42 |
| s-k | haha | 20:42 |
| script | ph|ber: do you have problems installing it? | 20:43 |
| Mousey | anyone got xchat working on an n810 by chance? | 20:45 |
| dragorn | Mousey: there was a beta pkg for it, don't have the url handy but google arund | 20:46 |
| dragorn | around | 20:46 |
| Mousey | k, tx.. | 20:46 |
| dragorn | I think it was linked on ITT too, might search the forums | 20:46 |
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| Mousey | thx again.. | 20:49 |
| ph|ber | script: no, just connecting.. | 20:50 |
| ph|ber | im connecting to my offices's ASA and we use safeword keytokens | 20:50 |
| script | ph|ber: so you have a distinct passowrd every login? | 20:50 |
| ph|ber | yeop | 20:51 |
| ph|ber | wait. | 20:51 |
| ph|ber | no | 20:51 |
| ph|ber | it changes | 20:51 |
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| s-k | hehe | 20:51 |
| s-k | that's what distinct means | 20:51 |
| ph|ber | hrm. no.. | 20:51 |
| ph|ber | that would be a single | 20:51 |
| script | ph|ber: ok, thats on the todo ;) | 20:51 |
| s-k | haha | 20:52 |
| ph|ber | random is the word. | 20:52 |
| s-k | yes | 20:52 |
| script | ph|ber: almost implemented in svn ... | 20:52 |
| s-k | there we go | 20:52 |
| ph|ber | cool | 20:52 |
| script | ph|ber: but i guess i am not able to release it till next year ;) | 20:52 |
| jga | anybody got any idea when the debs will be fixed? | 20:52 |
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| script | ph|ber: is it a challenge response authentication? | 20:53 |
| script | ph|ber: or just a pw that changes | 20:53 |
| ph|ber | we have a token | 20:53 |
| ph|ber | i press a button it gives me the pw. | 20:53 |
| script | in the later case you could try to enter it end be very quick with the connect buttomn ;) | 20:53 |
| ph|ber | changes everytime | 20:53 |
| ph|ber | tried that. | 20:54 |
| script | doesn't work? | 20:54 |
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| ph|ber | nope. | 20:54 |
| script | ph|ber: ok, then you probably have to wait | 20:54 |
| ph|ber | hrm. wait! | 20:54 |
| ph|ber | nope. | 20:54 |
| ph|ber | unseccessful | 20:54 |
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| ph|ber | unsuccessful that is | 20:55 |
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| script | ph|ber: you could still try running vpnc from the command line | 20:55 |
| ph|ber | where are the menus at in the filesystem. | 20:55 |
| ph|ber | script: that failed too. | 20:55 |
| ph|ber | had to run it as root. | 20:55 |
| script | ph|ber: and did not work? | 20:55 |
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| script | ph|ber: then there might be some other problem that i probably cannot fix | 20:56 |
| ph|ber | k. | 20:56 |
| ph|ber | im wondering if it is taking my input.. | 20:56 |
| ph|ber | i know its not suppose to echo.. | 20:56 |
| ph|ber | nor do the ***'s | 20:57 |
| script | thats correct | 20:57 |
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| ph|ber | wonder if its our ipsec secret. | 20:58 |
| ph|ber | it has odd char.. like carrots and percents | 20:58 |
| ph|ber | and dollars | 20:59 |
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| HotaruT | that should not matter | 21:09 |
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| skibur | xmms any good? | 21:21 |
| ph|ber | xmms ROCKS! | 21:21 |
| ph|ber | on my desktop | 21:21 |
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| sibbe | damn... update-alternatives doesn't use any database | 21:23 |
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| skibur | amarok on os2008 will be something | 21:23 |
| sibbe | so it just overwrites the existing symlink: no --list, no --config... | 21:24 |
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| e-squizo | I'm trying to do a simple game in python to get up to speed in maemo development, and I want the app to play a few notes (I'm perfectly happy with just C, E, F and the next C). Is there a simple api to play synthesized sound on the N800? | 21:40 |
| e-squizo | setting up a gstreamer pipeline sounds like serious overkill to me... | 21:40 |
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| GNUton | Hi | 21:41 |
| DaniloCesar | I found a guitar-tunner app another day with synthesized sounds..... | 21:41 |
| e-squizo | DaniloCesar: that sounds promising... | 21:42 |
| DaniloCesar | I don't have my n800 here to get the name of that application, but I recomend that you try to find it on google, it can be useful for you... | 21:44 |
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| e-squizo | DaniloCesar: the tuner tool i found uses gstreamer... | 21:47 |
| e-squizo | there must be a simpler way! | 21:47 |
| dragorn | e-squizo: http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/multilinux/excerpt/ch14-02.htm | 21:51 |
| redroos___ | Do you know is it possible to compile kernel modules using Maemo SDK's SDK_X86 target? | 21:51 |
| e-squizo | dragorn: are you trying to be sarcastic? | 21:52 |
| dragorn | e-squizo: no? | 21:52 |
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| dragorn | e-squizo: if you want to synthesize a note w/out using a sample from something else | 21:52 |
| redroos___ | All guides and examples shows only kernel modules compiling with SDK_ARMEL target | 21:52 |
| dragorn | e-squizo: something like that would be how you do it | 21:52 |
| e-squizo | dragorn: yep, that looks lilke OSS, though | 21:53 |
| e-squizo | I'm trying to figure out whether maemo has ALSA... | 21:53 |
| dragorn | e-squizo: as far as I know the nokias use esound, look for something equivalent, you'd still be synthing a pcm sample and pushing it in, you'd just open it differently | 21:53 |
| dragorn | e-squizo: Quicker way, look on freshmeat for a gtk tuner app | 21:54 |
| dragorn | e-squizo: and port that | 21:54 |
| e-squizo | ok.. esound is a starting point! | 21:54 |
| dragorn | e-squizo: http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:KBc04mV_z6gJ:maemo4beginners.garage.maemo.org/maemo-quick-start-guide.pdf+maemo+esound&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a | 21:54 |
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| DaniloCesar | e-squizo, If you port gktuner, put it on garage! I know a lot of people how need of it... I tried before, but it uses libgnome2-something that I could not to port | 21:56 |
| Jaffa | maddler: pong | 21:57 |
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| ph|ber | guys.. anyone know where the menus are ??? in the filesystem? | 21:59 |
| Jaffa | ph|ber: /usr/share/applications IIRC | 21:59 |
| Jaffa | It's basically the freedesktop.org desktop menu spec. | 22:00 |
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| e-squizo | DaniloCesar: I don't know it... But if I will post anything I develop anyway | 22:00 |
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| redroos___ | Does anybody knows is it possible to compile kernel modules under SDK_X86 target? | 22:05 |
| redroos___ | It sounds little stupid if I really have to compile all my stuff under SDK_ARMEL and then test this stuff in target HW... | 22:07 |
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| kaltsi | I don't think that sounds stupid at all | 22:15 |
| kaltsi | if your PC is not running the exact kernel that the device is then how could you ensure that your module works as it should? | 22:17 |
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| redroos___ | I can run my Kernel modules in stub mode which means that they do not need HW interfaces. It would be nice to get these modules to run in stub mode before real testing with HW is started. | 22:18 |
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