IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-12-26

sp3000it did cut off, but should it do that sooner?00:00
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timelyxit did cut off? heh00:01
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timelyxsp3000: oh00:02
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thopiekarwhat about the python2.55-ecore bug00:02
thopiekarhow can I fixx it?00:03
timelyxit thinks that's one "paragraph" :)00:03
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timelyxthopiekar: you need someone who understands python00:03
timelyxsp3000: i suppose i could try to check the next "paragraphs" and see if they're "shorter" :)00:04
thopiekarhey there! is there someone, who understands python?00:04
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sp3000timelyx: meh, the others aren't better00:05
sp3000just cut off the "paragraph" if it gets rambly I suppose00:05
thopiekaris maybe sometimee wrong with the package??00:06
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timelesshi bergie00:19
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timelesssp3000: ok00:23
Jitenhmmh, maemo-extras doesn't seem to work for itos2008... timelyx, is that what your repository is for?00:24
timelessjiten: my repo should handle extras, extras-devel and normal00:24
timelessbut nothing else00:24
timelessand only for chinook, bora, and gregale00:25
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timelessjiten: anyway, if you have problems w/ my repo, let me know00:26
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Gioveanyone know if maemo server are down?00:26
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Giovei can't download application list00:26
|tbb|is it possible to change the shortcuts of microb like ctrl+l for open another url, for some keystrokes ihate the ctrl key on the right side of n810 hardware keyboard. if i could use it like the fn button it were nice. like hitting ctrl once its like pushed until next keystroke and hitting it twice it works like caps lock00:26
timelessask bergie :)00:26
timelessthat's his mess :)00:26
timelessgiove: wait00:27
timelessdo you mean
timelessor application manager00:27
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Giovefrom application manager of mine n81000:27
timelessinfobot deb00:27
Giovei got lots of catalogue00:27 deb is probably unofficial, all warrantees void,
timelessgiove: try that00:27
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Veggenhmm. anyone using gpe/opensync ?00:27 it any good?00:27
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Giovecan i query you time?00:28
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Veggenme? sure.00:28
timelessgiove: i can't respond00:28
timelessso it's not worth it00:28
Gioveyou wrote me a server?00:29
Giovecalled infobot?00:29
|tbb|anyone knows if its possible00:30
timelessjust load the url00:30
Giovefrom my n810?00:30
timeless|tbb| hrm00:34
timelessi thought that was managed in control panel00:34
|tbb|what exactly the ctrl thing? or the webbrowser part00:35
timelessbrowser part00:35
timelessmaking the hardware behave differently is beyond me00:35
|tbb|for browser part do u mean about:config or elswere00:38
timelesscontrol panel00:38
Gioveonly me got unautorized acces from application manager?00:38
* timeless thought they added some ui for redoing keybindings00:38
timelessgiove: did you install that deb?00:38
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Giovei wrote on the app manager "new catalogue"00:39
Gioveat url i wrote http://infobot repositiry deb00:39
Gioverepository... deb00:39
Giovethink he istalled some00:39
Giovebut i still missing lots of libs00:39
|tbb|timeless: do u mean there is something out for keyrebindings?00:40
Giovelibmad0 for example00:40
timelesstbb: i thought there was00:40
timelessgiove: hold on00:40
timelessso, that should be in extras-devel00:42
timelessok, i seem to be missing it00:43
timelessgive me 500:43
Gioveand i added the catalogue of extra-devel00:43
Giovebut n810 tell me00:43
Gioveunautorized access00:43
Gioveand i can't download :/00:43
* timeless is confused00:43
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Giovemaemo extra devel (401 unauthorized)00:44
Giove(i just reistalled the 2008 update, so i lost all my application and now i can't get it back :/)00:45
|tbb|timeless nothing found on keybinding ui on irclog00:46
timelessgoogle bot is indexing me00:46
|tbb|also nothing found about changing shortcuts for microb under control panel00:48
K`zanHey folks is there any reason I should not install the new 2008 release?00:48
tontsa_K`zan, wait till xmas/new year is over and repos work properly00:48
K`zanAnd are 2008 apps compatible with this release.00:49
tontsa_or you can try the timelynx mirror00:49
tontsa_all the apps i've tried on my n810 have worked well00:49
K`zantontsa_: ah, OK, couple questions for ignorance dispellation, if I may.00:49
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timeless2008 should be compatible w/ 200800:49
K`zann800 here.00:50
timelessso if you think you can reinstall what you need, yes, upgrade00:50
tontsa_no idea what's compatible with what. i've had the 2008 from the beginning00:50
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K`zanI am *assuming* :-) that this is a wipe/re-install as far as apps go00:50
K`zanOK, thanks.00:50
K`zanNeed to make a list and check it twice :-)00:50
timelessas far as everything goes00:50
Gioveextra and extra-devel will come back online?00:51
timelessall normal file system stuff goes bye bye00:51
K`zanDoes a backup retain repositories or do I have to re-install all those also?00:51
timelessgiove: so, um...00:51
K`zanSorry, a bit ignorant about embedded linux.00:51
Gioveonly me can't acces?00:51
timelessk`zan: it should save repositories00:51
timelessbut ironically, it won't restore the ones that are disabled by default00:51
timelessor something like that00:52
K`zantimeless: Appreciate that.00:52
tontsa_ K`zan, the backup is quite crude.. it will overwrite lots of stuff that shouldn't be00:52
timelessso you need to restore them first00:52
timelessand i'd request that you not restore from backup00:52
timelessand please don't ask why00:52
tontsa_so backup and then restore on diffrent os-version will get you funny stuff00:52
|tbb|timeless heard what i said?00:52
K`zanWorking with wincrap for all those decades has me a bit leary of wipe/re-installs (more burned out than leery :-).00:52
timelesstbb: yeah, sorry, my n810s are in a bag00:52
timelessand i'm watching a movie and thinking about other things00:53
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timelessmovie=blown away00:53
K`zanI guess I'll hold off on trying to figure out mplayer then.00:53
Giovebut pls answare me :P00:53
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Gioverepository is temporary down?00:53
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Gioveatlest some directory00:54
Giovewhy i will get 401 unauthorized?00:54
timelessgiove: afaict you haven't grabbed my repository-maemo-org-dns00:55
timelesstry it?00:55
Giovei added it00:55
Giovei think right00:55
Giovebut i'm not sure00:55
Giovei can create a new catalogue00:55
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|tbb|timeless thanks anyway, if u got time or if u seen something could help then please let me know it00:55
timelessgiove: what does it say?00:56
Gioveyou wrote a different link00:56
Gioveneed to add infobot?00:56
timelessif you install the deb from infobot00:56
timelessthen the url i just wrote above00:56
timelessshould change what it says00:56
timelessbecause it's a different server00:56
Giovei was adding the server direclty from catalogue :/00:57
Giovesorry i'm noob :P00:57
timelessoh, don't do that00:57
timelessthe deb url replaces dns for the default repos00:57
|tbb|found a bug dont know how to solve it, the well known written words or something from the dictonary cant be selected anymore00:59
Giovei'm on repository.maemo.org00:59
Giovebut where is infobot?00:59
timelessinfobot deb01:00
infoboti heard deb is unofficial, all warrantees void,
* timeless sighs01:03
timelessthe browser we have probably caches dns01:03
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timelessso you might need to quit it after installing the deb if you want to test w/ the browser01:03
* timeless sighs01:03
Giovetnx timelees :P01:04
Jitenthe browser on itos2008 seems to be a bit jerky when I pan the page around by draggin with the stylus. I mean it jumps back and forth.01:04
Gioveits blocked at 742kb downloaded01:06
timelessjiten: hopefully the next system release will improve that01:06
Gioveits normla time waiting to list the apps?01:06
timelessone of the kernel/x needs a fix, plus a fix to the browser to remove a hack01:07
skiburI need Abiword on os200801:08
Giovetimeless you are my hero :P01:10
Giove1 more question :)01:12
Giovedo you knwo why i can't install skype?01:12
timelessskibur: it's only available for 2007 :)01:12
Gioveit start downloading and at the and i got the error01:12
Jitenwhat's this skype icon doing in the menus then?01:12
timelessjiten: it basically starts application manager01:12
timelessit's an installer stub :)01:13
Gioveyes i know :P01:13
Giovebut think package is boken :/01:13
timelessgiove: that's another server01:13
timelessi'm not willing to mirror it01:13
Giovei will wait so :P01:13
timelesstry gizmo :)01:17
timelessi'm told it supports video :)01:17
Giovebut i can't usemy skype contact right?01:17
Giovegizmo is alredy installed :P01:18
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unique311jaffa, did you have success in building nasm?01:33
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Giovetimeless you always here?01:38
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Giove:( no more :P01:39
Giovei'm missing samba-common01:40
Gioveit should be on you package mirroring :/01:40
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timeless8 migth crash tomorrow01:42
Giovehave you a link to download samba-common?01:44
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blackd0tHi guys!03:11
blackd0tI can't find a working version of ettercap anywhere for N770/800, does anyone know where I should look for it? Arpspoof from dsniff package seems to not work as it should for arp poisoning :/03:12
pupnik   p&|a  mockup: buttons and usability study // this is how you do it.03:13
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blackd0tSo anyone had any experience with successful arp poisoning actions from the n800 ?03:16
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derfWhat the gekk... I added my application to's OS 2008 database last night, and now it's not there.03:38
derfAnd the latest date in the "Fresh" list is 2007-11-21.03:38
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kuzewHello, how does one enable the use of hidd under OS2008?03:44
kuzewIm trying to get my mouse to work with my n80003:46
kuzewJust for the fun of it03:46
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blackd0tSo anyone knows if there is an ettercap port somewhere for n770/800 ?03:55
pupniknot ever seen one mentioned04:03
blackd0tThat's weird because it's a very useful tool that I often use on my laptop04:03
blackd0tAnd noone ever mentions it on any forum04:04
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unique311pupnik, you alive?06:43
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skiburI was just wondering... Anybody running DOSBox on their N800?06:57
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K`zanAnyone know how to set "track up" in maemo mapper?07:24
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K`zanvideocenter maemo07:27
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skiburAnybody have DosBox installed on their Nokia Internet Tablet?07:29
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khertan_Hi !07:34
VulcanisOh, ski... That would be... Nice.  I did not think about that.07:35
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K`zan_n800Anyone tried out Simple Mapper?  No menu and setting long/lat gets close but not to what one sets, did I miss something?07:38
K`zan_n800No Map either, just a black screen with a red dot.07:39
K`zan_n800Got maps from map and maemo mapper...07:39
K`zan_n800No info from google either :-/07:41
khertan_skibur: i'm running minivmac ... far better :)07:44
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K`zan_n800How does one add keyboard shortcuts, no hardware keyboard control panel entry in 2008.08:26
K`zan_n800Only the ability to change a preselected set under bluetooth keyboard.08:27
K`zan_n800Sigh, so many questions and google is so useless :-(.08:31
Vulcaniswish I had mine with me08:35
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K`zan_n800:-) small enough that you should :-)08:39
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Luriais there a deb for vim?08:46
Luria(yes, i searched)08:47
K`zanI think so, try apt-get install vim, I haven't gotten to that yet :).08:47
Luriayeah, no go08:49
Luriathere was a deb for 0708:49
K`zanMay still be repository problems with the update going on.08:49
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K`zanvi seems like a problem tapping, hopefully work out better with the BT keyboard.08:50
Luriai havent seen one in the repos. i was hoping it was one of those isolated debs hosted on a webpage08:50
K`zanUnderstand, apps are such a mess to find for the n800...08:51
Luriawell, seeing as I'm here on my n800+bt kybd...08:51
K`zan_n800LOL, me too :-)08:51
K`zanTrying to figure out why all my .wmv files suddenly stopped working here on the kubuntu desktop.08:52
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Luriai finally dumped kubuntu for ubuntu for my 2nd machine08:52
K`zanI just never got enthralled with Gnome, KDE is me :-)08:53
Lurianeither was i, but i like gnome+compiz08:53
K`zanWonder if having tvtime running when I launched the video screwed it up?!?08:53
K`zanI think gnome underlies the n800 stuff.08:53
K`zanHave to check out compiz08:54
Luriastill dont get how there is a one click install for flash tho.08:54
Luriahave you seen the youtube stuff?08:54
K`zanpx tvtime08:54
K`zanNo, so far done nothing with video on the n800.08:54
K`zanMostly use it with fbreader for ebook reading.08:54
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Luriai mean compiz vids on youtube08:54
K`zanPlaying around some with maemo mapper now.08:55
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K`zanErr, LOL, no will check it out.08:55
Luriait makes virtual desktops more usable08:55
Lurianot to mention pretty :-)08:55
K`zanBut what would I do without all my kde krutches :)?08:56
K`zanlemme see if I can get video from utube to work, seem hosed locally.08:57
Luriayou'd just Get it08:57
K`zanThat works, looks like compriz would be hard on the eye the way the windows flap :).08:59
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Luriayou can turn that off :-)09:00
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K`zanStill looking at more, seems to be that cube approach I saw on something else a while back...09:00
K`zanRight ,beryl09:00
Luriacompiz is beryl09:00
Luriaberyl forked, remerged09:01
Luriamore or less09:01
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LuriaGPoLitics is not a pasttime; im sure you can find a good summary somewhere :-)09:01
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K`zanLooks like some very interesting stuff there, not sure this old 6600GT/128M would do real well with that kind of workout.09:06
Vulcanisit probably would09:07
Luriameh. i run it on a 5900xt 128mb09:07
Luriadoes fine.09:07
Vulcaniswould work*09:07
Luriaat 16x12, iirc09:07
K`zanHummm :-)09:07
K`zanAbout a page for it under adept...09:07
K`zanFirst I guess gnome would be called in.09:08
K`zanThen TONS of goodies and a month to figure it all out :-P.09:08
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Luriagrrr... no vim debs :-/ and my vpn is somehow down, so no way to tinker with xcompiling09:09
K`zanol_schoola: Welcome back, Sir!09:09
K`zanNever(!!!) a dull moment with the n800 :)09:09
Luriais there a ready made usb otg cable that works on the n800?09:10
ol_schoolafun holidays09:10
Luriai would love to be able to connect to my sony ebook reader without swapping sd cards09:10
ol_schoolajust got done with a five-seat lan party09:11
K`zanI have heard that the cable is unobtanoum///09:11
K`zanFun :)09:11
K`zanI started to build one and the bloody soldering iron tip died.  Gonna complain, it only lasted just over 15 years :-).09:11
ol_schoolalink to one at UK amazon but i've come up with bupkis for the US09:11
Luriai think ive seen that one - little black thing iirc - so it doesnt need any special powering?09:12
K`zanConsidering there were 5 pins on the outside and only 4 for the cable, it was going to be a job I can't do with the blowtorch :)09:12
ol_schoolaif the device is power hungry, use a powered hub09:12
ol_schoolai use an Iroda butane rig, it was designed by a Canadian ham operator, tired of the electric ones failing at the top of his tower09:13
ol_schoolabutane soldering iron, many interchangeable tips09:14
K`zanLOL, BYDT and yes it stinks at anything over 15' :)09:14
K`zanI have one of those, quite nice, but lousy for jumpering the connector end of the mini-a (or whatever it is).09:14
ol_schoolamy bro gave me a sansa for xmas. not sure i'd use it much now that i carry the 80009:15
K`zanWas going to jumper it dead at the back of the fingers.09:15
ol_schoolalittle mp3 players, can load the rockbnox firmware09:15
K`zanWill when I get another decent iron.09:15
ol_schoolai think i'll order a station. i'm tired of doing the touch-n-go with the Iroda on the little shit09:16
K`zanI think I'll wait on compiz until I get the n800 up to speed again.09:16
ol_schoolai had to reflow the mod chip on my other brother's Wii yesterday. grrrrr09:16
K`zanYep, do so, worth the cost.  You in the US09:16
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ol_schoolasolder a little itty bitty smc pad, real hard with that brute of a tip09:17
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ol_schoolayes US09:18
K`zanUntil I can track down tips reasonable for the Weller, I'm getting one of these:
K`zanBest price I have seen on that one.09:18
K`zanAnd extra tips all :-).09:18
K`zanDunno where all the spare PTA tips I had went.09:18
K`zanIf I had space I'd dig out the SMT rework station....09:19
ol_schoolai'm not going to mess around, i've used to many weller's to use anything else again09:19
ol_schoolaand i can write it off09:19
K`zanrebooting  to see if that fixes the sudden problem with the .wma's brb09:19
K`zanEddy is a good dude too, get my play robotics stuff and AVRs from him (well some of them).09:20
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madaranyone having luck installing pidgin on an n810?09:21
K`zan_n800Heh, forgot the n800 is right here :)09:21
madarsays won't install but appears as installed09:22
madarbut it doesn't work anyhow09:22
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K`zanSigh, I'm so confuzed with m$ formats, is .wma audio only?09:26
VulcanisWindows Media Audio09:26
K`zanah - wma audo wmv video -)09:26
K`zanThanks, duhhh :-).09:26
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guardianah great i can continue my installation10:55 seems to be back10:55
guardianhmm definitely weird10:57
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guardiani have 2 pcs next to each other10:57
guardianfrom the first 1, i can download the 4.0 binaries sh script10:57
guardianfrom the second, i get a "the service is unavailable" error page10:58
guardianthrough the same internet connection10:58
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timelyxwelcome to CDN land10:59
guardianwhat does CDN stand for ?11:00
timelyx(mis-configured CDN land)11:00
timelyxinfobot CDN is content distribution network, e.g. akamai11:00
infobotokay, timelyx11:00
guardiananyways ... no time to handle bizarre things11:00
guardiani just relaunched the install script, crossing fingers11:01
timelyxgiove: {for irc log}
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ol_schoola_timelyx: ping11:13
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* timelyx counter pokes ol_schoola_11:27
* ol_schoola_ nack's11:28
timelyxwhat's up?11:28
ol_schoola_did i see that the official repos are no longer on their knees?11:28
* timelyx shrugs11:28
timelyxguardian just complained about them a moment ago :)11:28
guardianin fact11:30
guardianit seems they're working11:30
guardianhowever apt-get update did not work11:30
guardianalthough nsswitch.conf is fine11:30
ol_schoola_this CANNOT be happening. i worked for an R&D branch of a Baby Bell during the years Scott Adams did and we did things to Bell Laboratories spec. Just proof of concept stuff. Never went to market. 100's of millions11:30
ol_schoola_top notch projects. NVOD in '92 - Nebraska11:31
timelyxguardian: /etc/resolve.conf is typically
timelyxwhich doesn't work11:31
timelyxwell, unless you run a named, which people generally don't do... :)11:32
guardianhowever, i never had to change that before11:33
ol_schoola_how can they release the quantities of this thing to the public and let a foulup like this happen?11:33
glass_it's not like it's the biggest fuckup by nokia11:34
guardiani have another box next to my laptop11:34
guardianwith scratchbox & bora installed11:34
guardianand once logged in into scratchbox11:34
timelyxguardian: check, am i wrong?11:34
timelyxol_schoola_: what quantities?11:34
ol_schoola_<rant/off> timelyx: ya think i ought to reflash this thing after testing your temp repo and pulling in all those python deps from the Canola temp repo?11:34
guardianno you're not11:34
guardianbut on my working setup, nameserver inside scratchbox is set to
timelyxguardian: maybe you have a local and friendly named running there? :)11:35
guardianno i don't11:35
timelyxol_schoola_: no opinion :)11:35
timelyxguardian: *shrug* :)11:35
guardianwtf :)11:36
ol_schoola_timelyx: you stufy law ;)11:36
timelyxno, my dad's a retired lawyer11:36
ol_schoola_lmao... put a GF thru law school :)11:36
timelyxi studied cs/math :)11:36
timelyxol_schoola_: that'd be expensive11:36
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ol_schoola_dad taught you well <vbg>11:37
guardianps aux |grep named returns nothing11:37
ol_schoola_she had big time grants and scholarships, wasn't TOO bad11:37
timelyxthey payoff in the end (say +15 years) should be good :)11:38
timelyxcourse, if she's doing the sr partner track, you won't see much of her until then :|11:38
ol_schoola_brainy (with a grat Big BLUE .... eyes)11:38
ol_schoola_(great big blue ....11:38
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ol_schoola_nah, she and i split 10 years ago. she married another attorney11:39
liiashould scratchbox be able to handle symbolic links?11:39
timelyxliia: eh?11:39
liiain the filesystem11:40
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guardiani guess i got it11:40
guardianwhen i started installing i was at home11:41
guardiani have /scratchox/etc/resolv.conf with nameserver
guardiannow i'm at work, and it's not the same network11:41
* timelyx nods11:41
timelyxsorry, some pieces of how exactly scratchbox operates are too complicated for my tiny little brain11:42
guardianit worries me11:42
guardianif scratchbox makes a copy at install time ...11:42
guardianthen it just sucks11:42
timelyxseems like it probably does11:42
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timelyxfwiw, the tiny little thing is a bugzilla reference, see
liiaah darn, of course (?) scratchbox does not see outside of its own filesystem11:44
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guardiantimelyx: are they using this bugzilla ?11:49
guardianor do they keep having a private bugzilla as well ?11:49
timelyxdepends on how you define they11:50
timelyxyes there's a private bugzilla, but no, you really don't want to look at it11:50
timelyxin fact, i think most people who can see it would rather not :)11:50
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ol_schoola_timelyx: i just reset my hosts file and installed four apps from maemo. it didn't implode11:53
guardianliia: indeed, symlinking doesn't work11:54
timelyxliia: you'll want to use hardlinks for most such things11:55
timelyxsymlinks for most things are resolved within the scratchbox11:55
guardiani tried to symlink /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf --> /etc/resolv.conf11:56
guardianbut then it doesn't resolve anything11:56
ol_schoola_trying to update individual pkgs. some working, others breaking11:56
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guardianhowever, i'm still stuck because apt-get update fails: "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format"11:56
guardianso i bet the repos are still borked11:57
timelyxguardian: try a hardlink :)11:58
timelyxguardian: yeah, that'd mean you got one of the various unhappy pages instead of what you wanted11:58
timelyxcome back to the safety of my repo :)11:58
guardiancan you please remind me the url ?11:58
ol_schoola_does the recent map update report "likely to harm the system"? or is my Frankentablet just about to keel over?11:59
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ol_schoola_timelyx: oh crap. your repo is still the got?11:59
ol_schoola_i just updated a handful of apps using the official repos12:00
ol_schoola_this is going to be the all-time Frankstein of internet tablets12:00
guardianpfff enough of it12:01
guardiangonna switch to some other task12:01
timelyxinfobot deb12:01 deb is, like, unofficial, all warrantees void,
ol_schoola_heh. i got a Sansa mp3 thingy for xmas. i need that like a need a ...12:01
timelyxol_schoola_: if people have problems w/ the real one, then they are free to flip12:02
timelyxol_schoola_: i don't think anyone from nokia would be able to answer anything before next year :)12:02
timelyxi don't know anyone who knew anything about the map update :)12:02
guardianthat and midgard ...12:03
ol_schoola_timelyx: heh ;)   i'm still on the same flash as when i tested your repo-in-progress. and added the unofficial Canola repo which pulled in all those python deps. this thing should be flying apart at the seams12:03
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ol_schoola_there's now five apps (not includeding the failed update to Nokia's Map) which are from the official repos i hit just 20 minutes ago. i'll redirect r.p.o to your site again and mix it up a little more. let's find out what kind of abuse pkg mgmt in 08 can really handle12:06
ol_schoola_i'm surprised. i thought it would have lost it's marbles by now.12:06
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Khertan_VMSomeone can help me on gcc optimized option for a compilation for a n800 ?12:32
pupnik_ask the question12:43
pupnik_hi unique31112:43
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* timelyx sighs13:30
timelyxmost of the debian control files in garage are bad13:31
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timelyxhas anyone here used mabugz?13:31
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|tbb|anyone knows where i can define hardware keys for microb.13:36
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timelyx|tbb|: what do you mean?13:42
timelyxlike ?13:42
* timelyx grumbles13:44
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timelyxcan someone explain DEBIAN/copyright?13:47
|tbb|timelyx: i mean scrolling down with d-pad and some others. what i need also is changing shortcuts like ctrl + L to open another location,  because typing ctrl + L is very hard on the built in hardwarekeyboard on n80013:56
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Sikor-n800hi,  anyone knows how to open the big touchpad-tastatur by default? i have to press the select button to open it currently14:25
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Sikor-n800talking about os2008 here14:27
|tbb|all i know, u can open it while u tab the middle of the dpad after u set this option under control panel14:28
|tbb|how to enter the setting menu for itablet14:31
Sikor-n800yup thats what im doing right now14:34
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Sikor-n800however it pidgin at least it sometimes opens with the big keyboard14:35
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ccookeanyone know how to add more fonts to the os2008 xterm?14:37
pupnik_  a nice render of a game-ready N810 style device14:37
ccookethe monospace one isn't dense enough to work well with a dark background14:38
|tbb|its because you have enter the typing area with your finger i guess14:38
pupnik_you talkin bout the courier one ccooke ?14:38
ccookeand Sans isn't monospace :-)14:38
pupnik_Bitstream Vera Sans Mono Roman14:39
pupnik_is what i have here - way better than the thin courier on old xterm14:39
|tbb|pupnik what is that pandora thing14:39
pupnik_it's just a design idea14:40
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pupnik_unfortunately the slider design is patented so they will use a clamshell design14:40
ccookepupnik_: how do you add it? you only get three choices in the settings14:40
pupnik_this font is default in osso-xterm 0.13.mh2414:41
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ccookeI have 0.14.mh314:42
pupnik_strange - i have to go now but you should be able to choose font in preferences14:43
ccookeyes. there are only three choices though14:43
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ccookeand the only monospace font isn't any good14:43
ccookeI'm using Sans atm14:44
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Diketimeless you here?14:44
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ccookewhich cuts off some parts of the glyphs :-)14:44
|tbb|i wonder why designers wont add buttons on the backside of a device, if you hold the device in your hand some fingers allready there14:44
Dikesomeone got problme downloading skype on n810?14:45
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* timelyx sighs14:47
timelyxhi Dike14:47
Dikethat link is for me?14:47
timelyx|tbb|: the pagedown deb does the former14:47
timelyxthe latter is owned by ui junk14:47
timelyxi'm not going to look14:48
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timelyxjust a random complaint14:48
timelyx"  No long description is available yet"14:48
Diketimelyx do you know if there are problem downloading skype on n810?14:48
timelyxhahlo managed to14:49
timelyxactually, looks like hahlo might have grabbed skype from ??14:49
Dikethe download will start14:49
|tbb|pagedown deb?14:49
Dikeand at the end he stop with an error :/14:49
Dikelike "dowload not done"14:50
timelyxi suppose i could try installing skype14:50
* timelyx isn't quite sure why14:50
Dikeif you can14:50
Dikewould be nice14:51
Dikei was downloading 4.49 mb14:51
Dikeand at the end14:51
Dikei got an error :/14:51
|tbb|timelyx: have u written the page down patch14:54
|tbb|i know it was possible to change it by any conf file before,  but for what iam looking for is reassing hardware keys or change shortcuts for microb14:56
timelyx|tbb|: kinda, someone did the research14:58
timelyx|tbb|: look at how it changes bindings14:59
timelyxthat's how you'd change any gecko binding14:59
timelyxbut ctrl-l isn't a gecko binding14:59
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Diketimelyx have you tryed it?15:00
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|tbb|haven't found something study the irc logs15:03
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Diketime have tryed to install skype?15:04
* timelyx supposes you need os 2008 and not some beta15:05
Dikei'm on 200815:06
|tbb|timeless said yesterday someone did allready a keybinding gui15:06
Dikethere is also the link preinstalled on my n81015:06
|tbb|rebinding !15:06
timelyxDike: i'm not running 2008 official15:06
timelyxi'm running a 2008 pre15:06
timelyxskype demands official :(15:06
Dikeso you can't try to install it?15:07
timelyxpackages complain about bad versions :)15:07
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Dikeanother question15:07
Dikedo you know where is aviable15:08
Dikei miss that file15:08
timelyx|tbb|: fwiw...15:08
Dikebut i have added maemo bora catalogue15:08
timelyxthe bluetooth keyboard shortcuts tab responds to hardware keyboard15:08
timelyxso you can map to some things :)15:08
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Dikethere is any aviable link to download it?15:10
Dikestill needing it to install samba :P15:10
|tbb|whoooo whooo15:11
timelyxsadly, the bindings don't actually seem to work15:11
timelyxanyway, since it seems to go halfway15:11
timelyxit should probably work15:11
timelyxif you only get halfway, file a bug :)15:11
|tbb|i wonder setting gps device to blutooth without mac on maemo mapper work with the internal device, also the blutooth keyboard shortcuts with internal15:13
* pupnik_ haet patents:
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timelyxpupnik: why'd ypu find that?15:15
timelyx|tbb|: i might be confusing something else15:17
timelyxi know i saw /something/ that listed keymappings15:17
* timelyx can't remember what it was :(15:17
* |tbb| hope you will remember to it15:18
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* timelyx frowns15:18
|tbb|btw, some keystrokes allready reserved for system, iwonder where i can find documention about that. what ctrl+d does ??15:19
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pupniktimelyx: just bummed out at how producing products is such a patent minefield15:20
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pupnikit's a net loss for society imo.  only big players can produce, and too much of the cost of the products ends up being spent in the legal arena15:20
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pupnikbut sorry if that's leading into offtopicness15:21
timelyxinteresting that claims it can eat ctrl-d15:23
timelyxoh right15:23
timelyxi have 2 hours to go shopping15:23
ccookehmm. how can you install bash on os2008?15:25
|tbb|fn+backspace for switching to homescreen rocks, now we should find out where the conffile for that keystrokes are stored15:26
timelyx|tbb|: so that thing worked?15:26
|tbb|but most keystrokes r reserved for system it says15:27
* timelyx nods15:27
timelyxi don't want  to know how that works15:28
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|tbb|not want to know what?15:30
|tbb|fn+enter to fullscreen toggle also rocks. btw is there a gconf gui editor available for os w00815:33
Cptnodegardhas anyone here successfully made a USB OTG cable?15:35
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alteregoCptnodegard, depends what you mean, do you mean a cable that will automatically switch the N8X0 devices into host mode?15:41
alteregoOr just a cable that will work when the device is switched to host mode.15:41
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Cptnodegardauto cable15:42
alteregoThen no, I have not made one.15:42
Cptnodegardfound a guide, but it lacks both instruction and pics to show what cables go where15:42
alteregoThough it's a pretty simple design.15:42
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Cptnodegardall usb cables have the same color codes?15:44
alteregoThey should do.15:44
alteregoYou should really check out the specs of the connectors and the OTG host cable design ..15:45
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KhertanHi !15:48
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Dikeknow where i can download samba-common?15:55
tontsa_dike, , choose the OS you want, then type samba into search box and press Search15:56
Dikeyes i added the catalogue that sould contain it15:57
Dikebut its missing ...15:57
Dikei can't install samba because samba-common is missing, but i can chek it from
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Dikethere are 3 package with sambacommon inside..15:57
Dikebut i still missing it :/15:58
Sikor-n800where can i find python2.5-gtk2?15:59
Dikedo you know why tontsa_ ?16:00
tontsa_no idea16:00
Dikeare you using n810?16:01
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Veggenhmmf. the app that made power-saving behave differently when you're on AC - does it work on os2008? And what was it called/where to find it?16:34
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sikor_sxewhen i want to run python program, i get the error: ImportError No module named gtk16:35
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sikor_sxewhat could be the problem?16:36
sikor_sxein the repositories there does not seem to be a python-gtk package16:36
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derfI thought OS 2008 had an option not to dim/blank the screen on AC.16:37
|tbb|Veggen: i guess it was acmonitor16:37
lmourasikor_sxe, are you running python or python2.5?16:37
lmouraand the package is named python2.5-gtk216:37
VeggenI have a python2.5-gtk2-package16:37
Veggencd /var/cache/apt/16:37
|tbb|the other was more dimming option16:37
Veggen(oops. that was supposed to go in the ssh-session to my n800 ;)16:38
Veggenhave you enabled the extras repository?16:38
sikor_sxeit's broken right now, isn't it?16:39
sikor_sxeand in /var/cache/apt there is archives pkgcache.bin & srcpkgcache.bin16:40
sikor_sxei used the temporary repository from internettablettalk16:41
VeggenIt's /var/lib/apt/lists16:41
sikor_sxethere is quite a lot in there16:43
Veggenok, it's not really meant for needing to look in, but sometimes it's useful to grep those files.16:44
sikor_sxefrom repo did you get your python2.5-gtk2 pkg?16:45
sikor_sxefrom what repo16:45
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sikor_sxe(youre using os2008 i assume)16:45
VeggenI *think* it was the extras-repository (and yes, os2008)16:45
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sikor_sxethe extras repository works for you?16:46
Veggendid at least at the time :)16:46
sikor_sxeworks now aswell16:47
sikor_sxebut still no python-gtk available for selection16:48
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Veggenpython2.5-gtk2 ?16:49
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sikor_sxemust be some other repository16:50
Veggen is a good site.16:52
Veggenlist of repositories.16:52
lmourasikor_sxe, did you try the pymaemo .install files?16:53
sikor_sxei can't16:56
sikor_sxethe installation fire is corrupt16:56
lmourathere's a workaround there about changing from to stage.maemo.org16:57
lmouraat least in the sdk it worked16:57
doc|humbugI'm getting a number of corrupt install files, ukmp, canola216:57
* doc|humbug reads bug report16:58
sikor_sxelmoura: i did that16:58
sikor_sxeand pymaemo is installed with the correct version16:58
sikor_sxei miss python2.5-gtk however16:59
Khertanpffff my repository still doesn't work ... grrr17:00
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|tbb|veggen got it?17:00
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FMZAnyone from the Canola team here today?17:02
sikor_sxewell, no idea why python-gtk2 doesn't show up17:03
sikor_sxewhen i browse the repo manually its there17:04
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Veggenwee. The usb host mode on my n800 works, in os2008.17:07
shackanVeggen: with the stock kernel?17:08
sikor_sxeanyone got an idea why the pkgs in the stage. repository do not show in the installation manager?17:09
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shackanVeggen: what device did you try?17:09
Veggenshackan: A usb-disk which has power itself.17:09
VeggenNo power injection-stuff needed.17:09
shackanof course it didn't automount tough, right? :)17:10
Veggenwell. It did automount after I switched to hostmode.17:10
Veggenbut as far as I know, there's not a userfriendly app to do that, yet.17:11
VeggenOnly thing needed is echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode17:12
Veggen(that switches it, and then it automagically was mounted)17:12
Veggennow, let's push some luck and see if my D200 digital camera works without power. (else, I'm gonna have to dig for my usb hub with power)17:15
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|tbb|veggen you havent needed a modified usb cable?17:15
doc|humbugstage is working, and canola's nice :)17:16
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Veggentbb: only converters, which I picked up once on a shop which sells normal cables/electronics stuff etc.17:18
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Veggennuts. need to dig into the messy boxes with gadgets for my powered usb hub.17:19
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deejoeso, I find osso-xterm for OS2007, but not for OS200817:20
|tbb|have 2 research for some cable like that17:20
tontsa_osso-xterm is included in OS200817:20
deejoetontsa_: thanks.17:21
deejoeI'm not going to flash unless I find that stuff I use regularly is available.  That's one of them.17:21
ph|berj apache17:23
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VeggenIt worked with a powered hub.17:28
pupniki bet someone could sell a decent groovebox / software synth program for the tablets17:29
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|tbb|but acmonitor doesnt work on os2008 for me17:36
Veggentbb: the options to not have the network sleep is actually what's most useful for me.17:37
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Veggentbb: Does that package work on os2008?17:38
|tbb|acmonitor not17:38
|tbb|what r the network sleep options17:39
Veggenacmonitor had an option to ping an external site regularly to make the network not sleep.17:40
Veggennormally, the network will sleep, and only wake up periodically and/or when the n800 needed to access something in the world.17:41
sp3000it's have to ping pretty frequently to stop sleeping, heh17:42
sp3000it'd even17:42
sp3000now silly access points that think you've gone away if you don't need anything for a few minutes, on the other hand...17:42
Veggenright now, I have a ping running on it to be able to ssh into it (I do sometimes prefer that to using the device itself, when playing with lower-level stuff on it ;)17:43
VeggenI use a box with openbsd 3.9 with a good old prism2 802.11b in it as an access-point....(it's also my firewall, so I have wireless on it's own zone on the firewall. messes up the media discovery things, though *sigh*17:45
sp3000yeah, I get that from the keepalives -o BatchMode=yes does on my sshfs mounts17:45
sp3000(the dear ap, don't disassociate me after 5mins silent thing that is)17:45
sp3000I wonder why the ap doesn't ask before disassociating17:46
sp3000I guess it could be a fear of waking things up17:46
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deejoeso, is osso-browser still opera-based?17:46
deejoe(in 2008?)17:47
sp3000OS2008 doesn't come with opera17:47
deejoemoz, or what?17:47
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tontsa_it's mozilla's new microB17:48
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|tbb|is it possible to make the toolbar of xterm bigger than now17:56
* timeless frowns17:59
timelesssp3000: so, i'm writing a repository validator17:59
timelessand some of my files are failing17:59
timeless! pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin-extprefs/pidgin-extprefs_0.7-0nix2_armel.deb 12380 != 1238218:00
ph|berwhat is up with the freaking repos18:01
timelessinfobot deb18:01
infobothmm... deb is unofficial, all warrantees void,
timelessph|ber: install that, it should handle most things18:01
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timelessthat's odd18:03
timelessthe Packages file itself seems corrupt here18:04
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Khertantimeless> can you write a simple repository creator, where you can simply add a .deb that you can upload by simple web page ? :)18:22
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skiburIs nicotine corrupted? for os2008?18:24
skiburCan't install it18:25
Khertanskibur > all maemo repository are corrupted ...18:26
skiburo ok18:27
FMZskibur: You don't want that anyway.  You'll never be able to stop using it without hypnosis or shock therapy.18:27
* sp3000 goes take a waddle through the domain of sucky bug summaries18:28
timelesskhertan: i probably could18:29
timelessi'd rather not18:29
timelessskibur: the nicotine i have was flagged as bad18:29
timelessi'm grabbing two sets of files, i'll check it again when this finishes18:29
sp3000how to not convince me: Summary: Add [...] options. Comment 0: [...] it would be nice to have some options [...]18:29
* timeless rotfl18:30
skiburbad app? or bad deb?18:30
timelessi only deal in debs18:30
* timeless doesn't install apps18:30
* sp3000 finds it normal to flag nicotine as bad18:30
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timelesssp3000: i don't think nicotine is worse than a fiasco18:31
Khertantimeless > <timeless> i'd rather not ? " <<<< why not ?18:31
timelesskhertan: i'd be responsible for it18:31
timelessto do it properly, you need some way to (a) disclaim liability18:31
timelessand (b) have people managing it18:31
Khertantimeless > arf yes ... right :)18:32
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Khertanbut i ll like to have this to manage my own repos :)18:32
Khertan(which is break at this time)18:32
* timeless sighs and looks for relevant scripts18:33
* Khertan take a look at to know why this sucks !18:34
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crevetorhi guys, why are the debs broken ?18:36
timelesshrm, your files are in dists/ not pool?18:36
sp3000yeah, pool is optional18:36
timelesscrevetor: eh18:36
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* sp3000 thinks pools only came about a few years ago18:36
Khertantimeless > i know ... but as i found .deb / repository a good thing for user .... and i like apt-get tools18:37
* sp3000 could be talking out of his /dev/random18:37
Khertani think that tool to create repository sucks a lot !18:37
Khertanand documentation isn't really usefull18:37
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Khertansamethings for uploading .deb to a repository18:38
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crevetortimeless: eh ? nobody has the answer ?18:39
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Khertancrevetor > /topic18:39
timelessinfobot deb18:39
infobotrumour has it, deb is unofficial, all warrantees void,
timelesscrevetor: you're free to try that18:39
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skiburanybody running abiword on  os2008?18:39
* timeless grumbles18:40
* timeless kicks the official repository18:40
Khertanlike it ... :)18:40
FMZIs there any kind of hook between the browser and VoIP software to allow you to click a link and it automatically dials the number?18:40
timelessfmz: callto:foopy18:41
crevetortimeless: what is it ?18:41
FMZtimeless: I don't have his number...  badump *psh*18:41
Khertan.... hum ....18:41
timelessfmz: i have no idea what callto takes, try callto:username18:41
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FMZtimeless: so if I did something along the lines of:  <A HREF="callto:8882224685">Foopy</A> it should work?18:42
* timeless shrugs18:42
blackd0tcallto is registered by Skype I believe18:42
FMZtimeless: Cool, thanks man18:42
timelessall i know is that callto will launch /something/18:42
blackd0t - take a look here18:42
blackd0t<a href="callto://skypename/">blahblah</a>18:43
Solarionpoor quim18:44
crevetortimeless: the package url you gave is it a deb that updates /etc/host so that points to your repo ?18:44
FMZHmm... wonder if it only supports Skype-to-Skype calls.18:44
crevetortimeless: ok, i'll just add it to my repose then and desactivate the maemo repo18:45
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crevetori *need* to try out canola218:45
timelesserr, no18:45
timelessdon't deactivate the official repo18:46
blackd0tI need to find ettercap port for n800 somehow :/18:46
timelessmine only answers to the same hostname as the official18:46
Solarionany word on n810 codes going live?18:46
crevetortimeless: why is that ?18:46
timelesssolarion: it's christmas holiday18:46
timelesscrevetor: the goal is to transparently switch servers18:46
Solariontimeless: so not for a while yet?18:46
timelessapplication manager shouldn't know that anything happened18:46
crevetortimeless: oh ok18:47
crevetori'll install your deb then18:47
timelessyou can remove the deb at any time, and nothing bad should happen18:47
timelessok, looks like i don't have nicotine, i'll grab it shortly18:47
timelessoh, this is bora :)18:48
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zoransomeone tried "" as list address?18:49
timelesszoran: doing that is considered risky18:51
timelessit might break upgrades18:51
timeless(probably will, although testing it requires too much work)18:51
zoranthere wqas a thread on itt18:51
* timeless avoids itt18:51
zorani avoid carotts18:51
sp3000they're out to get you?18:52
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* timeless frowns18:53
timelesssp3000: so, can you think of why would have the wrong Size: in Packages ?18:53
* sp3000 tests a random callto url18:53
timeless! 12380 != 1238218:53
timelessrepository gave me 12382, but the file says 12380 :(18:53
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zoranwhat is small diff between friends?18:54
sp3000hmm, yeah, that seems to work18:54
crevetortimeless: multiple versions with the same version number ?18:54
timelesscrevetor: i'd be moderately annoyed if any real/official place allowed that18:54
sp3000that is, callto:timeless@g did something that looks like a call to something that has the expected avatar on it18:55
crevetortimeless: sure, but who knows (i don't)18:55
* timeless nods18:55
timelessi could call nix18:55
ph|berhow do i put a lowercase when the n810 is putting an uppercase?18:55
crevetorwho manages the repositories at ?18:55
crevetorph|ber: push the maj key once18:56
timelessph|ber: pressing shift once and then the letter doesn't work?18:56
timelesssp300: actually18:56
sp3000timeless: hum, if it were out of date it should have a different version I suppose18:56
blackd0tWhat irc client do you use on n800?18:56
timeless! 12378 != 1238218:56
timelessit looks like nix has sent at least 2 files that are unhappy18:56
timelessi wonder if it's confusing file 3 w/ files 1 and 218:57
* crevetor thinks there should be a news on informing people that the repos are down18:57
crevetorcause i wondered at one point if my device was doing something wrong18:58
zorantimeless, maybe some back end script chooses different sources for the file of the same name18:59
zoranlke rr18:59
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ph|beranyone have vncviewer for the 810 out yet?19:02
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* timeless ponders at free/u/unrar-nonfree19:06
zoranhm repository resolves at; "repostory" resolves to
timelessrepository is akamai, it'll resolve to something "near" you19:07
timeless* that isn't something special is stage.maemo.org19:08
zoranyes, see it now19:08
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svolpeI went to tweak my sources list only to find out that the applications manager actually puts the repository information in "/etc/hildon-applications/catalogues" and not "/etc/apt/sources.list"  why has maemo deviated from using sources.list, what is the advantage?19:31
* timeless chuckles19:32
timelessit's 100% xml buzzword compliant19:32
timelessparsing it is as complicated as parsing xml19:33
timelessinstead of as simple as renaming files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/19:33
timelessand it isn't really maemo that deviated19:33
svolpetimeless, Nokia then.19:34
timelesssvolpe: who wouldn't want to be buzzword compliant? :)19:35
derfI wouldn't.19:36
svolpesvolpe, It just seemed like a bad idea, in the past when certain distros diviated from standard config files it always seemed to lead to quite a bit of headache and incompatibility.  However I hate to be judgemental :-)19:36
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timelesssources.list is still used :) it's just write only :)19:39
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kpelhi all19:39
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hahlothat lastfm client works well19:54
skiburis it usefull?19:55
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* sp3000 giggles at selectively select19:56
* sp3000 is mean19:56
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K`zan_n800Morning all.19:59
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hahloyes if listen lastfm20:01
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* sp3000 insults bb ash's tab completion of directory entries starting with +20:03
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hahlosome reason gpg didn't work as user20:04
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timelesssp3000: is that in a bug? :)20:09
timelesssp3000: i think i figured out one of these bugs20:09
timelessFilename: pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix0_i386.deb20:09
timelessSize: 89220:09
timelessFilename: pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix1_i386.deb20:09
timelessSize: 87554220:09
* sp3000 finds the changed digit20:10
sp3000but that's an interesting change20:11
timeless-rw-rw-r--  1 timeless pg922508 884910 2007-12-13 15:30
timeless-rw-rw-r--  1 timeless pg922508 875544 2007-12-14 16:30
timeless-rw-rw-r--  1 timeless pg922508 884926 2007-12-15 16:30
timeless-rw-rw-r--  1 timeless pg922508 875542 2007-12-15 16:30
sp3000rather like a b vs kB20:11
sp3000er, B vs kB even20:11
* timeless shrugs20:11
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sp3000so not quite20:13
timelessnope :(20:13
timelessanyway, since it isn't the latest version of the file, i suppose i don't care much20:15
timelessbut ..20:15
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hahloIs irssi or bitlbee ported maemo?20:33
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doc|humbuggrrrr, mplayer+maemo--20:40
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hahlothen one can do irc with it20:42
blackd0tAny news on when the maemo repository will be fine? I can't install maemo sdk because 'apt-get update' fails telling me there is a network problem20:42
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timelessinfobot deb20:45
infobotwell, deb is unofficial, all warrantees void,
timelessblackd0t: you should be able to install that deb and be happy20:45
blackd0tAhh so this is the one changing the dns?20:46
blackd0tThanks I'll try that20:46
* timeless puzzles20:46
timelessyou've heard of this somewhere?20:46
blackd0tYeah, I've been on this channel ~2 hours ago, but then I had no idea what you were talking about ;)20:47
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blackd0tNow it all makes sense20:47
dskippytimeless, Should we just dpkg -i that .deb file than rerun the the SDK install script with the "don't try to download" option?20:50
timelessdskippy: the nokia binaries script is not in my repository20:51
timelessbecause i believe i can't legally have it20:51
timelessso make sure you already have that :)20:51
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doc|humbughmm, so the install script doesn't work and the deb on the berlios site doesn't install. Anyone got an alternative to install mplayer?20:52
dskippytimeless, everytime I've tried to install that I get an error in my script anyway.20:52
dskippySo I've been skipping it.20:52
dskippyWhat do I need it for?20:52
* timeless shrugs20:52
timelessi've never setup the nokia bits20:52
dskippytimeless, is python2.5 in your repository by any chance?20:52
timelessit should be in extras for chinook20:53
dskippyHmm, this script is still doing some apt-get'ing.20:53
timelessdskippy: i need to find someone who can write an evil proxy script20:54
* timeless tried hijacking one and failed20:54
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pupnik770happy $day20:56
dskippyYou want to try proxying so that the repository points elsewhere or something?20:57
timelessthe installer supports a proxy20:57
blackd0ttimeless: The dns fix works like a charm so far, thanks again20:58
timelessi'd like to be able to have a proxy usually picks my server, but for the nokia stuff picks the real one20:58
dskippythis apt-get from the repository (after installing your .deb) *seems* to be working (40%)21:01
unique311I found a genesis emu that seems to be working21:01
pupnik770i am guessing more good gngeo news, right unnique><":21:01
pupnik770oh no way21:01
unique311but only get black screen on the device.21:01
dskippyI'm still not clear on if the python2.5 stuff is in your repository or not, timeless.21:01
unique311segfaults in scratchox always because of sound.21:02
pupnik770try a different rom21:02
unique311but definitely looks like it wants to live21:02
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unique311tried a couple.21:02
unique311everything seems to be working from the command line.21:02
unique311no errors at all.21:02
unique311but just the blank screen.21:02
unique311and a noise.21:02
blackd0tIs it possible to port ettercap with the maemo sdk?21:03
pupnik770should be easy blackdot as long as promiscuous mode works21:03
pupnik770it is sdl unique21:03
unique311i did manage to compile the tcltk frontend version of it.21:04
blackd0tpupnik770: what interests me the most is just the arp poisoning technique that ettercap uses21:04
unique311the gtk version i cant get to compile.21:04
blackd0tpupnik770: promiscuous mode should work as the wireless card is able to get into monitor mode with no problem21:04
pupnik770youre not talking about dgen unique}]"21:05
unique311generator-0.35-cbiere-r2.tar.bz2 <---- that version21:06
unique311and also21:06
pupnik770ill check here21:06
unique311also the regular generator-0.3521:06
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unique311you need to line out 1 line.21:07
unique311maybe you don't need to.21:08
ph|beranyone using gnokii with a symbian based phone?21:08
unique311pupnik i will pm you the string21:09
pupnik770hmm i have a different version21:09
unique311and links21:09
pupnik770also o.35 but not cbiere i think21:09
unique3110.35 will work also21:10
pupnik770it doesnt build here21:10
svolpehehe, wrong window, not the VI window, sorry :-)21:10
* pupnik770 finds a 770 the perfect companion for IRCing while playing chess with relatives on christmas 21:11
* sp3000 likes the karma math on this one:
Veggenircing while playing chess? Is your family exceptionally bad playing chess?21:12
Veggen(not requiring your attention)21:12
dskippyVeggen, no, his IRC friends are exceptionally good ;)21:12
dskippy"Shoot, dad captured my knight, what do I do?" - pipnik77021:13
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unique311pupnik770 do i pm pupnik770 or pupnik?21:13
pupnik770just not registered with this guy21:14
svolpedskippy, I'm having the same issue with the sdk script, I have installed timeless's dpkg but I guess now my question is how do I know were the original sdk script left off?  Is there one main deb file I can install that pulls everything else?21:14
unique311cbeires version
blackd0tpupnik770: what irc client are you using now?21:14
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dskippysvolpe, I am having luck with running the sdk script with -fcyd21:14
dskippyAfter installing timeless's .deb21:14
dskippyBut I fear this is not going to help me get python2.5 on my scratchbox or the device itself.21:15
pupnik770grabbing it unique31121:15
unique311CFLAGS=-O3 ./configure --with-gcc --with-sdl --with-cmz8021:15
unique311was told to use -O3 for speed21:15
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blackd0tpupnik770: I have to find it somewhere as the official port site seemed broken last time I visited it :/21:16
dskippyI'm at an excting 98% post timeless.deb21:16
pupnik770blackd0t,  cant work on it now sry21:16
blackd0tdskippy: Everything worked fine for me, so it should be fine for you as well :)21:16
blackd0tpupnik770: Sure no problem :)21:16
unique311you will get 1 error on the building it. you need o line out line 123 in reg68k.c21:17
dskippyblackd0t, you using python2.5 by any chance?21:17
unique311but then again that might be why the screen is black...lol21:17
blackd0tdskippy: Nope21:17
dskippyDamn. I think I'm on my own with that one.21:17
blackd0tdskippy: I only needed to install Ruby for Metasploit Framework :)21:17
Cptnodegardmaking a usb otg cable21:18
dskippyblackd0t, maybe I'll just have to write this in Ruby then.21:18
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pupnik770ok building unique21:19
pupnik770ok thanks21:19
blackd0tdskippy: Ruby seems to work fine, I can do in metasploit everything that I can on stationary computers21:19
svolpedskippy, thanks.21:20
dskippysvolpe, no problem.21:20
svolpedskippy, not sure if it helps, but I have OE set up to build N800 debs so I might be able to build the python2.5 debs with it as I too need to get python running.  This solution will only help with the device of course.21:21
kulveanybody using Mobile MythTv?21:22
hugol1kulve:  me21:22
hugol1but I cant get it to work with the last OS2008 image21:22
hugol1it worked with OS2008 beta21:22
kulvehugol1: I'm running the client ok on os2008, but I'm having problems with the transcoder part..21:23
hugol1kulve:  it doesnt start for me after I configure it21:23
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kulveI compiled everything from the svn/gitr21:23
hugol1the transcoding part was fine21:24
hugol1kulve:  ok, I used the debs21:24
hugol1thats why21:24
svolpedskippy, I'm tired of there not being a good scientific calculator out there so I figured I would write one in python since I also want to learn python :-)21:24
dskippysvlope, sounds like a pretty useful program.21:24
dskippysvolpe, will you maybe add some graphing to it?21:24
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dskippysvolpe, that's pretty surprising there's not yet a scientific calculator for maemo.21:25
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svolpedskippy, I want to make it full featured.  there is the HP48S emulator but I don't like it.  I like RPN but not the HP48S.21:26
timelessdskippy: my repository is just a /working/ copy of the real repository, and it has python2.5 in extras just like real does, see
Veggensvolpe: tell me about it. The last good HP was the 42S :)21:28
Veggen(I know you might disagree and say the 15C, though ;)21:28
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svolpeVeggen, hehe, I love my 28S.  well there is a 42S emulator (thats the one I meant..) but I still don't like running an emulator.21:29
dskippytimeless, I have the deb you posted. But how should I point my apt-sources to your repository.21:30
timeless dskippy: installing the deb changes dns for the normal repositories21:31
dskippyAh I see. so I am using your repository right now then?21:33
timelessif you installed the deb, yes21:33
dskippyCan I install this .deb on my n800?21:33
* timeless originally wrote it for normal devices21:34
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timelesshrm, last person to use it grabbed samba-common :)21:35
timelesshrm, that's you21:36
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tbfhow can i fix this warning?21:37
tbfW: GPG error: ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 221:37
timelessyou can't21:38
timelessit's a warning21:38
timelessand it's nokia's fault21:38
timelessyou could fix it by turning the device off until they fix it21:38
tbftimeless: uh, that was a quick response :-)21:38
unique311pupnik, you got dgen runnig already, lol.21:38
unique311screw generator.21:38
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tbfhmm... well, and now my real problem: apt-get cannot find libgettextpo021:40
tbfis that related to that warning?21:40
timelessthe warning is just a warning21:40
tbfor is my sources.list incomplete?21:40
* tbf wonders were to find the default sources.list21:40
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dskippytimeless, how do I undo the chances your .deb makes later when the repository is back?21:41
timelesstbf: which os? 2008?21:41
tbftimeless: yup21:41
unique311pupnik, i found this thread on ITT.  dejavu
timelesstbf: gronmayer claims it doesn't know of a package by that name21:41
tbftimeless: who or what is gronmayer?21:41
sp3000a metacatalog you might say21:42
tbfsp3000: duh21:42
tbftimeless: strange: glom depends on that package21:43
sp3000re topic, there's no ox2008 download slowness anymore is there21:43
sp3000since about the weekend or thereabouts21:43
timelesssp3000: i think it's no longer slow21:44
timelessjust broken :)21:44
blackd0tCan you send me a mount command to mount the n800 device through the usb data cable on linux?21:44
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tbftimeless, sp3000: he, but really have to bookmark that site on the n800. very useful!21:45
timelesssp3000: is there some file that lists all files contained in all packages?21:45
timelessi thought i saw one21:45
kulveblackd0t: something like: mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt ?21:45
blackd0tkulve: Ok, I just don't know what filesystem to use and which device it can be21:46
kulve"dmesg" will show the device name your linux box sees the n800. And if you have two cards in the n800, you will see them both21:46
kulveon my box it's usually sda1 and sdb121:46
sp3000timeless: like ?21:46
timelesssounds good21:46
blackd0tkulve: Ahh yes, you're right. Thanks a lot21:46
timelesssp3000: yeah that21:47
timelessbut, what does that mean?21:48
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pupnik770unique311,  no idea what commenting that out does but the cpu load while running generator is zero21:49
timelesstbf: so um21:50
timelessusr/lib/                                   devel/gettext21:50
tbftimeless: checking right now, if am also a victim of that stupid repostory bug21:50
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* timeless wonders what glom is21:52
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tbf(20:50:51) tbf: timeless: checking right now, if am also a victim of that stupid repostory bug21:52
pupnik770to attach suddenly to something like a child hugging a grandmother21:52
timelessre the nokia repository thing21:52
timelesswhat happened was they updated one file but didn't update the gpg signature21:52
timelessit's a process bug21:53
timelessand the only people who can fix it are those (a) w/ the key and (b) w/ write access to the server21:53
tbftimeless: nah, that DNS name typo21:53
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timelesstbf: this was to someone who has a problem w/ the nokia catalogue21:54
timelesswhich is a *different* repository21:54
timelesswith *different* problems :)21:54
unique311pupnik770, you got dgen working?21:55
blackd0tOk, a question. I compiled my first simple printf("Hello world") with 'gcc -o hello hello.c" in ARMEL scratchbox, copied it to n800, but when I execute it in xterm it tells me "Permission denied" despite the fact there are already execute permissions on it.21:55
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timelesstbf: ok... so...21:56
timelessafaik that package is "wrong"21:56
timelessbut maybe i'm wrong21:56
unique311generator is a emualtor for genesis and megadrive., dgen is only a genesis emu.21:56
timelesshrm, nope21:57
timelessit seems that there is such a package21:57
unique311pupnik770, you tried getting better speeds from dgen?21:57
timelessanyway, re glom, i'm assuming that whomever "ported" glom to maemo didn't realize they needed to publish libgettextpo0 too21:59
kulveblackd0t: the mmcs are mounted as "noexec" by default22:04
kulveblackd0t: so, maybe easiest thing is to copy it to ~ (i.e. /home/user/) and run it there22:05
timelessthe other way is to create a file and loopback mount any unix filesystem from it :)22:07
tbftimeless: well, let's see if i can catch one of the glom guys tomorrow, to figure out what's wrong22:07
timelesstbf: can you figure out who posted the deb?22:08
tbftimeless: yes, i know that guys. they just aren't online this evening22:08
* tbf postpones that problem, until they come online22:09
pupnik770unique311,  no22:09
tbfmore interesting now: why is wayfinder's map empty on a n800?22:09
tbf'cause of the missing GPS chip?22:09
timelessyou need to download maps22:09
timelessmap>maps, available maps, update22:10
kulvetbf: and if you don't have enough space on the internal mmc, if will act very oddly22:10
timelesspick a map; download22:10
timelessrepeat as it tickles your fancy22:10
timelessmaps in device, select the one you want to use, ok22:10
tbfkulve: how many space is needed?22:11
timelesskulve: it's much more fun when the mmc22:11
timelesstbf: some maps are ~1mb22:11
timelesssome are ~800mb22:11
tbfok, depends22:11
timelesskulve:... the mmc is mounted readonly by the kernel because of corruption :)22:11
kulvetbf: yeah, it will the the megabytes on the list22:11
tbftimeless: so i just have to find your "map" entry22:12
tbfmenu button on the right!22:12
timelesson the "right"?22:12
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tbftimeless: erm... "the other right", aka "left"22:12
timelessoh right!22:12
* timeless worried tbf might have left self hanging...22:13
tbftimeless: thanks for help22:14
timelesstbf: if you get glom fixed, thanks in advance :)22:14
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tbftimeless: (well, actually i work for openismus, aka the glom guys ;-) --- just exploring the n800 I've got on saturday)22:16
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timelesstbf: ok...22:16
* timeless doesn't know anything about glom22:16
tbfnice device22:16
tbf(that n800)22:16
tbfmy father, my brother, my father in law and my brother in law immediatly wanted to buy one, once they saw it :-D22:17
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Cptnodegardanyone tried connecting non-english keyboards to the n800 with usb otg?22:21
acydlordtbf I took mine to podcamp and just about everyonr there wanted it22:21
Cptnodegardi'd very much like to have the extra æøå from norwegian keyboards22:21
acydlordCptnodegard, sure haven't, might be able to do something with xmodmap if the n800 has norwegian support22:22
Cptnodegardi think it has norwegian as one of the languages (nokia is finish after all, outr neighbors :P)22:23
Cptnodegardso im crossing my fingers ^^22:23
tontsa_well you will get å atleast working :)22:24
acydlordi see norsk in the language/region dropdown22:24
Cptnodegardnice, thx22:24
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troozersblimey are the maemo repos still knackered*22:25
troozersooops '?' not '*'22:27
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timelessinfobot deb22:27
infobotit has been said that deb is unofficial, all warrantees void,
timelesstroozers: install that22:27
tbfis it possible to change the user name used for connecting to samba servers?22:29
* tbf wants to backup some data from his GiB flash card22:29
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tbfwell, and what really bugs me, is the context menu always showing up below the pen22:31
tbfthe usability guys at nokia all must be left handers22:31
troozersholy installing apps batman, it WORKS!22:31
timelesstbf: it's funny22:31
timelesseveryone seems to think that22:31
troozerscheers timeless22:31
timelessbut really, the device is designed for right handed people22:31
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timelessit just happens to magically work relatively well for left handed people because the designers think right handed people will use the device in one way22:32
timelessand the lefties don't use it the exact opposite way22:32
pupnik770of course its for right handers... rh gets stylus22:32
pupnik770us left handers cant use dpad while holding stylus easily22:32
timelesspupnik: yeah, but we quickly learn not to try22:33
pupnik770sure, adversity is what makes us stronger22:33
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tbfwell, we've got the force to change the source22:34
pupnik770180 degree rotation for X *xrandr* would solve it22:34
tbfguess I'll collect some karma by patching maemo's gtk to properly display the context menu22:34
timelesstbf: eh?22:35
tbftimeless: well, the tap-and-hold context menu always is covered by the stylus for me22:35
tbftimeless: i cannot read the menu items, as i cannot look thru the stylus22:35
timelessare you right handed or left handed?22:36
tbftimeless: right-handed22:36
* timeless chuckles22:36
timelessstylus in right hand?22:36
tbftimeless: yup22:37
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svolpedskippy, were you able to get maemo-explicit to install?22:43
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blackd0tWhere can I find libpcap dev version for maemo 4.0 in order to compile ettercap sources?22:47
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svolpetimeless, I used your deb for modifying the hosts file to allow sdk to install, however I was unable to install maemo-explicit and it does not apear to be in the repo.22:52
blackd0tit worked for me couple of hours ago22:52
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dobeycan anyone tell me why the app manager on chinook would tell me that a package built in a chinook chroot is invalid?23:10
sibbeinvalid section maybe? it should be user/something iirc23:12
dobeyit's a library23:17
sp3000dobey: look at the log23:17
dobeywhere's that? in /var/log?23:17
sp3000menu tools log23:18
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dskippy Does anyone know if there's a suggested practice for making multi-window programs?23:21
dskippyI am going to be making an application which will behave a lot like a wizard (but not linear) The user will chose from some fixed options and go to one of the 5 or 6 windows I have in the program.23:22
dskippyI'm conserned about closing windows causing the program to quit or window flicker and the like. I'm not sure if these are things that will really be an issue as I'm just starting out though.23:23
dskippyLooking for tips on which direction to go in.23:23
ds3is there a hildon equivalent to something like xstring or opie-sh to do a simple UI from a shell script?23:27
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