IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2007-12-26

sp3000	it did cut off, but should it do that sooner?	00:00
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timelyx	it did cut off? heh	00:01
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timelyx	sp3000: oh	00:02
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thopiekar	what about the python2.55-ecore bug	00:02
thopiekar	how can I fixx it?	00:03
timelyx	it thinks that's one "paragraph" :)	00:03
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timelyx	thopiekar: you need someone who understands python	00:03
timelyx	sp3000: i suppose i could try to check the next "paragraphs" and see if they're "shorter" :)	00:04
thopiekar	hey there! is there someone, who understands python?	00:04
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thopiekar	^^	00:04
sp3000	timelyx: meh, the others aren't better	00:05
sp3000	just cut off the "paragraph" if it gets rambly I suppose	00:05
thopiekar	is maybe sometimee wrong with the package??	00:06
thopiekar	*something	00:07
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timeless	hi bergie	00:19
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timeless	sp3000: ok	00:23
Jiten	hmmh, maemo-extras doesn't seem to work for itos2008... timelyx, is that what your repository is for?	00:24
timeless	jiten: my repo should handle extras, extras-devel and normal	00:24
timeless	but nothing else	00:24
timeless	and only for chinook, bora, and gregale	00:25
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Giove	hello	00:25
timeless	jiten: anyway, if you have problems w/ my repo, let me know	00:26
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Giove	anyone know if maemo server are down?	00:26
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Giove	i can't download application list	00:26
\|tbb\|	is it possible to change the shortcuts of microb like ctrl+l for open another url, for some keystrokes ihate the ctrl key on the right side of n810 hardware keyboard. if i could use it like the fn button it were nice. like hitting ctrl once its like pushed until next keystroke and hitting it twice it works like caps lock	00:26
timeless	ask bergie :)	00:26
timeless	that's his mess :)	00:26
timeless	giove: wait	00:27
timeless	do you mean maemo.org/downloads	00:27
timeless	or application manager	00:27
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Giove	from application manager of mine n810	00:27
timeless	infobot repository.maemo.org deb	00:27
Giove	i got lots of catalogue	00:27
infobot	repository.maemo.org deb is probably unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb	00:27
timeless	giove: try that	00:27
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Veggen	hmm. anyone using gpe/opensync ?	00:27
Veggen	...is it any good?	00:27
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Giove	can i query you time?	00:28
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Veggen	me? sure.	00:28
Giove	timeless?	00:28
timeless	giove: i can't respond	00:28
timeless	so it's not worth it	00:28
Giove	you wrote me a server?	00:29
Giove	called infobot?	00:29
\|tbb\|	anyone knows if its possible	00:30
timeless	just load the url	00:30
Giove	from my n810?	00:30
timeless	yes	00:30
timeless	\|tbb\| hrm	00:34
timeless	i thought that was managed in control panel	00:34
\|tbb\|	what exactly the ctrl thing? or the webbrowser part	00:35
timeless	browser part	00:35
timeless	making the hardware behave differently is beyond me	00:35
\|tbb\|	for browser part do u mean about:config or elswere	00:38
timeless	control panel	00:38
Giove	only me got unautorized acces from application manager?	00:38
* timeless thought they added some ui for redoing keybindings		00:38
timeless	giove: did you install that deb?	00:38
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Giove	i wrote on the app manager "new catalogue"	00:39
Giove	at url i wrote http://infobot repositiry deb	00:39
Giove	repository... deb	00:39
Giove	think he istalled some	00:39
Giove	but i still missing lots of libs	00:39
\|tbb\|	timeless: do u mean there is something out for keyrebindings?	00:40
Giove	libmad0 for example	00:40
timeless	tbb: i thought there was	00:40
timeless	giove: hold on	00:40
timeless	so, that should be in extras-devel	00:42
Giove	yes	00:43
timeless	ok, i seem to be missing it	00:43
timeless	give me 5	00:43
Giove	and i added the catalogue of extra-devel	00:43
Giove	but n810 tell me	00:43
Giove	unautorized access	00:43
Giove	and i can't download :/	00:43
timeless	hrm	00:43
* timeless is confused		00:43
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Giove	maemo extra devel (401 unauthorized)	00:44
Giove	(i just reistalled the 2008 update, so i lost all my application and now i can't get it back :/)	00:45
timeless	ouch	00:46
\|tbb\|	timeless nothing found on keybinding ui on irclog	00:46
timeless	google bot is indexing me	00:46
\|tbb\|	also nothing found about changing shortcuts for microb under control panel	00:48
K`zan	Hey folks is there any reason I should not install the new 2008 release?	00:48
tontsa_	K`zan, wait till xmas/new year is over and repos work properly	00:48
K`zan	And are 2008 apps compatible with this release.	00:49
tontsa_	or you can try the timelynx mirror	00:49
tontsa_	all the apps i've tried on my n810 have worked well	00:49
K`zan	tontsa_: ah, OK, couple questions for ignorance dispellation, if I may.	00:49
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timeless	2008 should be compatible w/ 2008	00:49
K`zan	n800 here.	00:50
timeless	so if you think you can reinstall what you need, yes, upgrade	00:50
tontsa_	no idea what's compatible with what. i've had the 2008 from the beginning	00:50
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K`zan	I am assuming :-) that this is a wipe/re-install as far as apps go	00:50
timeless	yes	00:50
K`zan	OK, thanks.	00:50
K`zan	Need to make a list and check it twice :-)	00:50
timeless	as far as everything goes	00:50
Giove	extra and extra-devel will come back online?	00:51
timeless	all normal file system stuff goes bye bye	00:51
K`zan	Does a backup retain repositories or do I have to re-install all those also?	00:51
timeless	giove: so, um...	00:51
K`zan	Sorry, a bit ignorant about embedded linux.	00:51
Giove	only me can't acces?	00:51
timeless	k`zan: it should save repositories	00:51
timeless	but ironically, it won't restore the ones that are disabled by default	00:51
timeless	or something like that	00:52
K`zan	timeless: Appreciate that.	00:52
tontsa_	K`zan, the backup is quite crude.. it will overwrite lots of stuff that shouldn't be	00:52
timeless	so you need to restore them first	00:52
timeless	and i'd request that you not restore from backup	00:52
timeless	and please don't ask why	00:52
tontsa_	so backup and then restore on diffrent os-version will get you funny stuff	00:52
\|tbb\|	timeless heard what i said?	00:52
K`zan	Working with wincrap for all those decades has me a bit leary of wipe/re-installs (more burned out than leery :-).	00:52
timeless	tbb: yeah, sorry, my n810s are in a bag	00:52
timeless	and i'm watching a movie and thinking about other things	00:53
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timeless	movie=blown away	00:53
K`zan	I guess I'll hold off on trying to figure out mplayer then.	00:53
Giove	but pls answare me :P	00:53
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Giove	repository is temporary down?	00:53
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Giove	atlest some directory	00:54
Giove	why i will get 401 unauthorized?	00:54
timeless	giove: afaict you haven't grabbed my repository-maemo-org-dns	00:55
timeless	try it?	00:55
Giove	i added it	00:55
Giove	i think right	00:55
Giove	but i'm not sure	00:55
Giove	i can create a new catalogue	00:55
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timeless	load http://repository.maemo.org/xx	00:55
\|tbb\|	timeless thanks anyway, if u got time or if u seen something could help then please let me know it	00:55
timeless	giove: what does it say?	00:56
Giove	you wrote a different link	00:56
Giove	need to add infobot?	00:56
timeless	no	00:56
timeless	if you install the deb from infobot	00:56
timeless	then the url i just wrote above	00:56
timeless	should change what it says	00:56
timeless	because it's a different server	00:56
Giove	roger	00:56
Giove	i was adding the server direclty from catalogue :/	00:57
Giove	sorry i'm noob :P	00:57
timeless	oh, don't do that	00:57
timeless	the deb url replaces dns for the default repos	00:57
\|tbb\|	found a bug dont know how to solve it, the well known written words or something from the dictonary cant be selected anymore	00:59
Giove	i'm on repository.maemo.org	00:59
Giove	but where is infobot?	00:59
Giove	deb?	01:00
timeless	infobot repository.maemo.org deb	01:00
infobot	i heard repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb	01:00
timeless	oh	01:03
* timeless sighs		01:03
timeless	the browser we have probably caches dns	01:03
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timeless	so you might need to quit it after installing the deb if you want to test w/ the browser	01:03
* timeless sighs		01:03
Giove	tnx timelees :P	01:04
Jiten	the browser on itos2008 seems to be a bit jerky when I pan the page around by draggin with the stylus. I mean it jumps back and forth.	01:04
Giove	its blocked at 742kb downloaded	01:06
timeless	jiten: hopefully the next system release will improve that	01:06
Giove	its normla time waiting to list the apps?	01:06
Giove	*normal	01:07
timeless	one of the kernel/x needs a fix, plus a fix to the browser to remove a hack	01:07
skibur	I need Abiword on os2008	01:08
skibur	:p	01:08
Giove	timeless you are my hero :P	01:10
Giove	1 more question :)	01:12
Giove	do you knwo why i can't install skype?	01:12
timeless	skibur: it's only available for 2007 :)	01:12
Giove	it start downloading and at the and i got the error	01:12
Giove	:/	01:12
Jiten	what's this skype icon doing in the menus then?	01:12
timeless	jiten: it basically starts application manager	01:12
timeless	it's an installer stub :)	01:13
Giove	yes i know :P	01:13
Giove	but think package is boken :/	01:13
timeless	giove: that's another server	01:13
timeless	i'm not willing to mirror it	01:13
Giove	roger	01:13
Giove	i will wait so :P	01:13
timeless	try gizmo :)	01:17
timeless	i'm told it supports video :)	01:17
Giove	but i can't usemy skype contact right?	01:17
timeless	right	01:18
Giove	gizmo is alredy installed :P	01:18
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unique311	jaffa, did you have success in building nasm?	01:33
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Giove	timeless you always here?	01:38
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Giove	:( no more :P	01:39
Giove	i'm missing samba-common	01:40
Giove	:/	01:40
Giove	it should be on you package mirroring :/	01:40
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timeless	8 migth crash tomorrow	01:42
Giove	have you a link to download samba-common?	01:44
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blackd0t	Hi guys!	03:11
blackd0t	I can't find a working version of ettercap anywhere for N770/800, does anyone know where I should look for it? Arpspoof from dsniff package seems to not work as it should for arp poisoning :/	03:12
pupnik	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwPb_vunkQY p&\|a mockup: buttons and usability study // this is how you do it.	03:13
GNUton	Hi	03:14
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blackd0t	So anyone had any experience with successful arp poisoning actions from the n800 ?	03:16
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derf	What the gekk... I added my application to downloads.maemo.org's OS 2008 database last night, and now it's not there.	03:38
derf	And the latest date in the "Fresh" list is 2007-11-21.	03:38
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kuzew	Hello, how does one enable the use of hidd under OS2008?	03:44
kuzew	Im trying to get my mouse to work with my n800	03:46
kuzew	Just for the fun of it	03:46
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blackd0t	So anyone knows if there is an ettercap port somewhere for n770/800 ?	03:55
pupnik	hmrm	04:03
pupnik	not ever seen one mentioned	04:03
blackd0t	That's weird because it's a very useful tool that I often use on my laptop	04:03
blackd0t	And noone ever mentions it on any forum	04:04
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unique311	pupnik, you alive?	06:43
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skibur	I was just wondering... Anybody running DOSBox on their N800?	06:57
skibur	Hum...	07:02
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K`zan	Anyone know how to set "track up" in maemo mapper?	07:24
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skibur	sorry	07:26
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K`zan	videocenter maemo	07:27
K`zan	ww	07:27
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skibur	Anybody have DosBox installed on their Nokia Internet Tablet?	07:29
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khertan_	Hi !	07:34
Vulcanis	Oh, ski... That would be... Nice. I did not think about that.	07:35
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K`zan_n800	Anyone tried out Simple Mapper? No menu and setting long/lat gets close but not to what one sets, did I miss something?	07:38
K`zan_n800	No Map either, just a black screen with a red dot.	07:39
K`zan_n800	Got maps from map and maemo mapper...	07:39
K`zan_n800	No info from google either :-/	07:41
khertan_	skibur: i'm running minivmac ... far better :)	07:44
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K`zan_n800	How does one add keyboard shortcuts, no hardware keyboard control panel entry in 2008.	08:26
K`zan_n800	Only the ability to change a preselected set under bluetooth keyboard.	08:27
K`zan_n800	Sigh, so many questions and google is so useless :-(.	08:31
Vulcanis	wish I had mine with me	08:35
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K`zan_n800	:-) small enough that you should :-)	08:39
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Luria	is there a deb for vim?	08:46
Luria	(yes, i searched)	08:47
K`zan	I think so, try apt-get install vim, I haven't gotten to that yet :).	08:47
Luria	yeah, no go	08:49
Luria	there was a deb for 07	08:49
K`zan	May still be repository problems with the update going on.	08:49
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K`zan	vi seems like a problem tapping, hopefully work out better with the BT keyboard.	08:50
Luria	i havent seen one in the repos. i was hoping it was one of those isolated debs hosted on a webpage	08:50
K`zan	Understand, apps are such a mess to find for the n800...	08:51
Luria	well, seeing as I'm here on my n800+bt kybd...	08:51
K`zan_n800	LOL, me too :-)	08:51
K`zan	Trying to figure out why all my .wmv files suddenly stopped working here on the kubuntu desktop.	08:52
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Luria	i finally dumped kubuntu for ubuntu for my 2nd machine	08:52
K`zan	I just never got enthralled with Gnome, KDE is me :-)	08:53
Luria	neither was i, but i like gnome+compiz	08:53
K`zan	Wonder if having tvtime running when I launched the video screwed it up?!?	08:53
K`zan	I think gnome underlies the n800 stuff.	08:53
K`zan	Have to check out compiz	08:54
Luria	still dont get how there is a one click install for flash tho.	08:54
Luria	have you seen the youtube stuff?	08:54
K`zan	px tvtime	08:54
K`zan	No, so far done nothing with video on the n800.	08:54
K`zan	Mostly use it with fbreader for ebook reading.	08:54
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Luria	i mean compiz vids on youtube	08:54
K`zan	Playing around some with maemo mapper now.	08:55
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K`zan	Err, LOL, no will check it out.	08:55
Luria	it makes virtual desktops more usable	08:55
Luria	not to mention pretty :-)	08:55
K`zan	But what would I do without all my kde krutches :)?	08:56
K`zan	lemme see if I can get video from utube to work, seem hosed locally.	08:57
Luria	you'd just Get it	08:57
K`zan	That works, looks like compriz would be hard on the eye the way the windows flap :).	08:59
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Luria	you can turn that off :-)	09:00
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K`zan	Still looking at more, seems to be that cube approach I saw on something else a while back...	09:00
K`zan	Right ,beryl	09:00
Luria	compiz is beryl	09:00
Luria	beryl forked, remerged	09:01
Luria	more or less	09:01
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Luria	GPoLitics is not a pasttime; im sure you can find a good summary somewhere :-)	09:01
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K`zan	Looks like some very interesting stuff there, not sure this old 6600GT/128M would do real well with that kind of workout.	09:06
Vulcanis	it probably would	09:07
Luria	meh. i run it on a 5900xt 128mb	09:07
Luria	does fine.	09:07
Vulcanis	would work*	09:07
Luria	at 16x12, iirc	09:07
K`zan	Hummm :-)	09:07
K`zan	About a page for it under adept...	09:07
K`zan	First I guess gnome would be called in.	09:08
K`zan	Then TONS of goodies and a month to figure it all out :-P.	09:08
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Luria	grrr... no vim debs :-/ and my vpn is somehow down, so no way to tinker with xcompiling	09:09
K`zan	ol_schoola: Welcome back, Sir!	09:09
K`zan	Never(!!!) a dull moment with the n800 :)	09:09
Luria	is there a ready made usb otg cable that works on the n800?	09:10
ol_schoola	oy	09:10
ol_schoola	fun holidays	09:10
Luria	i would love to be able to connect to my sony ebook reader without swapping sd cards	09:10
ol_schoola	just got done with a five-seat lan party	09:11
K`zan	I have heard that the cable is unobtanoum///	09:11
K`zan	Fun :)	09:11
Luria	joy	09:11
K`zan	I started to build one and the bloody soldering iron tip died. Gonna complain, it only lasted just over 15 years :-).	09:11
ol_schoola	link to one at UK amazon but i've come up with bupkis for the US	09:11
Luria	i think ive seen that one - little black thing iirc - so it doesnt need any special powering?	09:12
K`zan	Considering there were 5 pins on the outside and only 4 for the cable, it was going to be a job I can't do with the blowtorch :)	09:12
ol_schoola	if the device is power hungry, use a powered hub	09:12
ol_schoola	i use an Iroda butane rig, it was designed by a Canadian ham operator, tired of the electric ones failing at the top of his tower	09:13
ol_schoola	butane soldering iron, many interchangeable tips	09:14
K`zan	LOL, BYDT and yes it stinks at anything over 15' :)	09:14
K`zan	I have one of those, quite nice, but lousy for jumpering the connector end of the mini-a (or whatever it is).	09:14
ol_schoola	my bro gave me a sansa for xmas. not sure i'd use it much now that i carry the 800	09:15
K`zan	Was going to jumper it dead at the back of the fingers.	09:15
K`zan	sandsa?	09:15
ol_schoola	little mp3 players, can load the rockbnox firmware	09:15
K`zan	Will when I get another decent iron.	09:15
K`zan	Ah	09:15
ol_schoola	i think i'll order a station. i'm tired of doing the touch-n-go with the Iroda on the little shit	09:16
K`zan	I think I'll wait on compiz until I get the n800 up to speed again.	09:16
ol_schoola	i had to reflow the mod chip on my other brother's Wii yesterday. grrrrr	09:16
K`zan	Yep, do so, worth the cost. You in the US	09:16
K`zan	?	09:17
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ol_schoola	solder a little itty bitty smc pad, real hard with that brute of a tip	09:17
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ol_schoola	yes US	09:18
K`zan	Until I can track down tips reasonable for the Weller, I'm getting one of these: http://www.wrighthobbies.net/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=84	09:18
K`zan	Best price I have seen on that one.	09:18
K`zan	And extra tips all :-).	09:18
K`zan	Dunno where all the spare PTA tips I had went.	09:18
K`zan	If I had space I'd dig out the SMT rework station....	09:19
ol_schoola	i'm not going to mess around, i've used to many weller's to use anything else again	09:19
ol_schoola	and i can write it off	09:19
K`zan	rebooting to see if that fixes the sudden problem with the .wma's brb	09:19
K`zan	Eddy is a good dude too, get my play robotics stuff and AVRs from him (well some of them).	09:20
K`zan	brb	09:20
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madar	anyone having luck installing pidgin on an n810?	09:21
K`zan_n800	Heh, forgot the n800 is right here :)	09:21
madar	says won't install but appears as installed	09:22
madar	but it doesn't work anyhow	09:22
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K`zan	Sigh, I'm so confuzed with m$ formats, is .wma audio only?	09:26
Vulcanis	Windows Media Audio	09:26
Vulcanis	Yes.	09:26
K`zan	ah - wma audo wmv video -)	09:26
K`zan	Thanks, duhhh :-).	09:26
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guardian	morning	10:54
timelyx	hi	10:54
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guardian	ah great i can continue my installation	10:55
guardian	repository.maemo.org seems to be back	10:55
guardian	hmm definitely weird	10:57
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guardian	i have 2 pcs next to each other	10:57
guardian	from the first 1, i can download the 4.0 binaries sh script	10:57
guardian	from the second, i get a "the service is unavailable" error page	10:58
guardian	through the same internet connection	10:58
timelyx	heh	10:59
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timelyx	welcome to CDN land	10:59
guardian	what does CDN stand for ?	11:00
timelyx	(mis-configured CDN land)	11:00
timelyx	infobot CDN is content distribution network, e.g. akamai	11:00
infobot	okay, timelyx	11:00
guardian	k	11:00
guardian	anyways ... no time to handle bizarre things	11:00
guardian	i just relaunched the install script, crossing fingers	11:01
timelyx	giove: {for irc log} http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/samba/samba-common_3.0.23c-1osso6_armel.deb	11:02
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ol_schoola_	timelyx: ping	11:13
timelyx	pong	11:16
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* timelyx counter pokes ol_schoola_		11:27
* ol_schoola_ nack's		11:28
timelyx	what's up?	11:28
ol_schoola_	did i see that the official repos are no longer on their knees?	11:28
* timelyx shrugs		11:28
timelyx	guardian just complained about them a moment ago :)	11:28
ol_schoola_	omfg	11:29
guardian	well	11:30
guardian	in fact	11:30
guardian	it seems they're working	11:30
guardian	however apt-get update did not work	11:30
guardian	although nsswitch.conf is fine	11:30
ol_schoola_	this CANNOT be happening. i worked for an R&D branch of a Baby Bell during the years Scott Adams did and we did things to Bell Laboratories spec. Just proof of concept stuff. Never went to market. 100's of millions	11:30
ol_schoola_	top notch projects. NVOD in '92 - Nebraska	11:31
timelyx	guardian: /etc/resolve.conf is typically 127.0.0.1	11:31
timelyx	which doesn't work	11:31
timelyx	well, unless you run a named, which people generally don't do... :)	11:32
guardian	hmm	11:33
guardian	however, i never had to change that before	11:33
ol_schoola_	how can they release the quantities of this thing to the public and let a foulup like this happen?	11:33
glass_	it's not like it's the biggest fuckup by nokia	11:34
guardian	i have another box next to my laptop	11:34
guardian	with scratchbox & bora installed	11:34
guardian	and once logged in into scratchbox	11:34
timelyx	guardian: check, am i wrong?	11:34
timelyx	ol_schoola_: what quantities?	11:34
ol_schoola_	<rant/off> timelyx: ya think i ought to reflash this thing after testing your temp repo and pulling in all those python deps from the Canola temp repo?	11:34
guardian	no you're not	11:34
guardian	but on my working setup, nameserver inside scratchbox is set to 127.0.0.1	11:35
timelyx	guardian: maybe you have a local and friendly named running there? :)	11:35
guardian	no i don't	11:35
timelyx	ol_schoola_: no opinion :)	11:35
timelyx	guardian: shrug :)	11:35
guardian	wtf :)	11:36
ol_schoola_	timelyx: you stufy law ;)	11:36
ol_schoola_	?	11:36
ol_schoola_	study?	11:36
timelyx	no, my dad's a retired lawyer	11:36
ol_schoola_	lmao... put a GF thru law school :)	11:36
timelyx	i studied cs/math :)	11:36
timelyx	ol_schoola_: that'd be expensive	11:36
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ol_schoola_	dad taught you well <vbg>	11:37
guardian	ps aux \|grep named returns nothing	11:37
ol_schoola_	she had big time grants and scholarships, wasn't TOO bad	11:37
timelyx	they payoff in the end (say +15 years) should be good :)	11:38
timelyx	course, if she's doing the sr partner track, you won't see much of her until then :\|	11:38
ol_schoola_	brainy (with a grat Big BLUE .... eyes)	11:38
ol_schoola_	(great big blue ....	11:38
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ol_schoola_	nah, she and i split 10 years ago. she married another attorney	11:39
liia	should scratchbox be able to handle symbolic links?	11:39
timelyx	liia: eh?	11:39
liia	in the filesystem	11:40
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guardian	hmm	11:40
guardian	i guess i got it	11:40
guardian	when i started installing i was at home	11:41
guardian	i have /scratchox/etc/resolv.conf with nameserver 192.168.1.1	11:41
guardian	now i'm at work, and it's not the same network	11:41
* timelyx nods		11:41
timelyx	sorry, some pieces of how exactly scratchbox operates are too complicated for my tiny little brain	11:42
guardian	it worries me	11:42
guardian	if scratchbox makes a copy at install time ...	11:42
guardian	then it just sucks	11:42
timelyx	seems like it probably does	11:42
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timelyx	fwiw, the tiny little thing is a bugzilla reference, see https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?x=x	11:42
liia	ah darn, of course (?) scratchbox does not see outside of its own filesystem	11:44
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guardian	timelyx: are they using this bugzilla ?	11:49
guardian	or do they keep having a private bugzilla as well ?	11:49
timelyx	depends on how you define they	11:50
timelyx	yes there's a private bugzilla, but no, you really don't want to look at it	11:50
timelyx	in fact, i think most people who can see it would rather not :)	11:50
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ol_schoola_	timelyx: i just reset my hosts file and installed four apps from maemo. it didn't implode	11:53
guardian	liia: indeed, symlinking doesn't work	11:54
timelyx	liia: you'll want to use hardlinks for most such things	11:55
timelyx	symlinks for most things are resolved within the scratchbox	11:55
guardian	i tried to symlink /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf --> /etc/resolv.conf	11:56
guardian	but then it doesn't resolve anything	11:56
ol_schoola_	trying to update individual pkgs. some working, others breaking	11:56
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guardian	however, i'm still stuck because apt-get update fails: "gzip: stdin: not in gzip format"	11:56
guardian	so i bet the repos are still borked	11:57
timelyx	guardian: try a hardlink :)	11:58
timelyx	guardian: yeah, that'd mean you got one of the various unhappy pages instead of what you wanted	11:58
timelyx	come back to the safety of my repo :)	11:58
guardian	can you please remind me the url ?	11:58
ol_schoola_	does the recent map update report "likely to harm the system"? or is my Frankentablet just about to keel over?	11:59
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ol_schoola_	timelyx: oh crap. your repo is still the got?	11:59
ol_schoola_	i just updated a handful of apps using the official repos	12:00
ol_schoola_	this is going to be the all-time Frankstein of internet tablets	12:00
ol_schoola_	Frenkenstein	12:00
guardian	pfff enough of it	12:01
guardian	gonna switch to some other task	12:01
timelyx	infobot repository.maemo.org deb	12:01
infobot	repository.maemo.org deb is, like, unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb	12:01
ol_schoola_	heh. i got a Sansa mp3 thingy for xmas. i need that like a need a ...	12:01
timelyx	ol_schoola_: if people have problems w/ the real one, then they are free to flip	12:02
timelyx	ol_schoola_: i don't think anyone from nokia would be able to answer anything before next year :)	12:02
timelyx	i don't know anyone who knew anything about the map update :)	12:02
guardian	that and midgard ...	12:03
ol_schoola_	timelyx: heh ;) i'm still on the same flash as when i tested your repo-in-progress. and added the unofficial Canola repo which pulled in all those python deps. this thing should be flying apart at the seams	12:03
timelyx	heh	12:03
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ol_schoola_	there's now five apps (not includeding the failed update to Nokia's Map) which are from the official repos i hit just 20 minutes ago. i'll redirect r.p.o to your site again and mix it up a little more. let's find out what kind of abuse pkg mgmt in 08 can really handle	12:06
ol_schoola_	i'm surprised. i thought it would have lost it's marbles by now.	12:06
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Khertan_VM	Hi	12:30
Khertan_VM	Someone can help me on gcc optimized option for a compilation for a n800 ?	12:32
pupnik_	ask the question	12:43
pupnik_	hi unique311	12:43
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* timelyx sighs		13:30
timelyx	most of the debian control files in garage are bad	13:31
timelyx	http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/n770demos/debian/control#10	13:31
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timelyx	has anyone here used mabugz?	13:31
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\|tbb\|	anyone knows where i can define hardware keys for microb.	13:36
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timelyx	\|tbb\|: what do you mean?	13:42
timelyx	like http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-pageupdown-0.1.deb ?	13:42
timelyx	http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/maemo-xkb-plugi/trunk/debian/control#10	13:44
* timelyx grumbles		13:44
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timelyx	can someone explain DEBIAN/copyright?	13:47
\|tbb\|	timelyx: i mean scrolling down with d-pad and some others. what i need also is changing shortcuts like ctrl + L to open another location, because typing ctrl + L is very hard on the built in hardwarekeyboard on n800	13:56
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Sikor-n800	hi, anyone knows how to open the big touchpad-tastatur by default? i have to press the select button to open it currently	14:25
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Sikor-n800	talking about os2008 here	14:27
\|tbb\|	all i know, u can open it while u tab the middle of the dpad after u set this option under control panel	14:28
\|tbb\|	how to enter the setting menu for itablet	14:31
Sikor-n800	yup thats what im doing right now	14:34
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Sikor-n800	however it pidgin at least it sometimes opens with the big keyboard	14:35
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ccooke	anyone know how to add more fonts to the os2008 xterm?	14:37
pupnik_	http://capnhack.com/pandora/pandora5.jpg a nice render of a game-ready N810 style device	14:37
ccooke	the monospace one isn't dense enough to work well with a dark background	14:38
\|tbb\|	its because you have enter the typing area with your finger i guess	14:38
pupnik_	you talkin bout the courier one ccooke ?	14:38
ccooke	and Sans isn't monospace :-)	14:38
pupnik_	Bitstream Vera Sans Mono Roman	14:39
pupnik_	is what i have here - way better than the thin courier on old xterm	14:39
\|tbb\|	pupnik what is that pandora thing	14:39
pupnik_	it's just a design idea	14:40
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pupnik_	unfortunately the slider design is patented so they will use a clamshell design	14:40
ccooke	pupnik_: how do you add it? you only get three choices in the settings	14:40
pupnik_	this font is default in osso-xterm 0.13.mh24	14:41
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ccooke	I have 0.14.mh3	14:42
pupnik_	strange - i have to go now but you should be able to choose font in preferences	14:43
ccooke	yes. there are only three choices though	14:43
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ccooke	and the only monospace font isn't any good	14:43
ccooke	I'm using Sans atm	14:44
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Dike	timeless you here?	14:44
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ccooke	which cuts off some parts of the glyphs :-)	14:44
\|tbb\|	i wonder why designers wont add buttons on the backside of a device, if you hold the device in your hand some fingers allready there	14:44
Dike	someone got problme downloading skype on n810?	14:45
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timelyx	http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/xoo-tablets/trunk/	14:47
* timelyx sighs		14:47
timelyx	hi Dike	14:47
Dike	hey	14:47
Dike	that link is for me?	14:47
timelyx	\|tbb\|: the pagedown deb does the former	14:47
timelyx	the latter is owned by ui junk	14:47
timelyx	i'm not going to look	14:48
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timelyx	no	14:48
timelyx	just a random complaint	14:48
timelyx	" No long description is available yet"	14:48
Dike	timelyx do you know if there are problem downloading skype on n810?	14:48
timelyx	hahlo managed to	14:49
timelyx	actually, looks like hahlo might have grabbed skype from skype.com ??	14:49
Dike	the download will start	14:49
\|tbb\|	pagedown deb?	14:49
Dike	and at the end he stop with an error :/	14:49
timelyx	\|tbb\|: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-pageupdown-0.1.deb	14:50
Dike	like "dowload not done"	14:50
timelyx	i suppose i could try installing skype	14:50
* timelyx isn't quite sure why		14:50
Dike	if you can	14:50
Dike	:P	14:51
Dike	would be nice	14:51
Dike	i was downloading 4.49 mb	14:51
Dike	and at the end	14:51
Dike	i got an error :/	14:51
\|tbb\|	timelyx: have u written the page down patch	14:54
\|tbb\|	i know it was possible to change it by any conf file before, but for what iam looking for is reassing hardware keys or change shortcuts for microb	14:56
timelyx	\|tbb\|: kinda, someone did the research	14:58
timelyx	\|tbb\|: look at how it changes bindings	14:59
timelyx	that's how you'd change any gecko binding	14:59
timelyx	but ctrl-l isn't a gecko binding	14:59
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Dike	timelyx have you tryed it?	15:00
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\|tbb\|	haven't found something study the irc logs	15:03
timelyx	?	15:03
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Dike	time have tryed to install skype?	15:04
* timelyx supposes you need os 2008 and not some beta		15:05
Dike	yes	15:06
Dike	i'm on 2008	15:06
\|tbb\|	timeless said yesterday someone did allready a keybinding gui	15:06
Dike	there is also the link preinstalled on my n810	15:06
\|tbb\|	rebinding !	15:06
timelyx	Dike: i'm not running 2008 official	15:06
timelyx	i'm running a 2008 pre	15:06
timelyx	skype demands official :(	15:06
Dike	so you can't try to install it?	15:07
timelyx	packages complain about bad versions :)	15:07
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Dike	roger	15:07
Dike	another question	15:07
Dike	do you know where is aviable	15:08
Dike	samba-common?	15:08
Dike	i miss that file	15:08
timelyx	\|tbb\|: fwiw...	15:08
Dike	but i have added maemo bora catalogue	15:08
timelyx	the bluetooth keyboard shortcuts tab responds to hardware keyboard	15:08
timelyx	so you can map to some things :)	15:08
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Dike	there is any aviable link to download it?	15:10
Dike	still needing it to install samba :P	15:10
\|tbb\|	whoooo whooo	15:11
timelyx	sadly, the bindings don't actually seem to work	15:11
\|tbb\|	thx	15:11
timelyx	anyway, since it seems to go halfway	15:11
timelyx	it should probably work	15:11
timelyx	if you only get halfway, file a bug :)	15:11
timelyx	oh!	15:12
\|tbb\|	i wonder setting gps device to blutooth without mac on maemo mapper work with the internal device, also the blutooth keyboard shortcuts with internal	15:13
* pupnik_ haet patents: http://www.google.com/patents?id=4k4SAAAAEBAJ		15:14
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timelyx	pupnik: why'd ypu find that?	15:15
timelyx	\|tbb\|: i might be confusing something else	15:17
timelyx	i know i saw /something/ that listed keymappings	15:17
* timelyx can't remember what it was :(		15:17
* \|tbb\| hope you will remember to it		15:18
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* timelyx frowns		15:18
timelyx	http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/maemocjk/trunk/ttf-kochi-1.0.20030809-maemo/	15:18
\|tbb\|	btw, some keystrokes allready reserved for system, iwonder where i can find documention about that. what ctrl+d does ??	15:19
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pupnik	timelyx: just bummed out at how producing products is such a patent minefield	15:20
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pupnik	it's a net loss for society imo. only big players can produce, and too much of the cost of the products ends up being spent in the legal arena	15:20
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pupnik	but sorry if that's leading into offtopicness	15:21
timelyx	http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/maemocjk/trunk/scim-pinyin-0.5.91-maemo/	15:22
timelyx	interesting that claims it can eat ctrl-d	15:23
timelyx	oh right	15:23
timelyx	i have 2 hours to go shopping	15:23
ccooke	hmm. how can you install bash on os2008?	15:25
\|tbb\|	fn+backspace for switching to homescreen rocks, now we should find out where the conffile for that keystrokes are stored	15:26
timelyx	\|tbb\|: so that thing worked?	15:26
\|tbb\|	yes	15:27
\|tbb\|	but most keystrokes r reserved for system it says	15:27
* timelyx nods		15:27
timelyx	i don't want to know how that works	15:28
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\|tbb\|	not want to know what?	15:30
\|tbb\|	fn+enter to fullscreen toggle also rocks. btw is there a gconf gui editor available for os w008	15:33
Cptnodegard	has anyone here successfully made a USB OTG cable?	15:35
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alterego	Cptnodegard, depends what you mean, do you mean a cable that will automatically switch the N8X0 devices into host mode?	15:41
alterego	Or just a cable that will work when the device is switched to host mode.	15:41
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Cptnodegard	auto cable	15:42
alterego	Then no, I have not made one.	15:42
Cptnodegard	found a guide, but it lacks both instruction and pics to show what cables go where	15:42
alterego	Though it's a pretty simple design.	15:42
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Cptnodegard	all usb cables have the same color codes?	15:44
alterego	They should do.	15:44
alterego	You should really check out the specs of the connectors and the OTG host cable design ..	15:45
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Khertan	Hi !	15:48
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Dike	know where i can download samba-common?	15:55
tontsa_	dike, http://gronmayer.com/it , choose the OS you want, then type samba into search box and press Search	15:56
Dike	yes i added the catalogue that sould contain it	15:57
Dike	but its missing ...	15:57
Dike	i can't install samba because samba-common is missing, but i can chek it from gronmayer.com/it	15:57
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Dike	there are 3 package with sambacommon inside..	15:57
Dike	but i still missing it :/	15:58
Sikor-n800	where can i find python2.5-gtk2?	15:59
Dike	do you know why tontsa_ ?	16:00
tontsa_	no idea	16:00
Dike	are you using n810?	16:01
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Veggen	hmmf. the app that made power-saving behave differently when you're on AC - does it work on os2008? And what was it called/where to find it?	16:34
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sikor_sxe	when i want to run python program, i get the error: ImportError No module named gtk	16:35
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sikor_sxe	what could be the problem?	16:36
sikor_sxe	in the repositories there does not seem to be a python-gtk package	16:36
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derf	I thought OS 2008 had an option not to dim/blank the screen on AC.	16:37
\|tbb\|	Veggen: i guess it was acmonitor	16:37
lmoura	sikor_sxe, are you running python or python2.5?	16:37
lmoura	and the package is named python2.5-gtk2	16:37
Veggen	I have a python2.5-gtk2-package	16:37
Veggen	cd /var/cache/apt/	16:37
Veggen	ls	16:37
\|tbb\|	the other was more dimming option	16:37
Veggen	(oops. that was supposed to go in the ssh-session to my n800 ;)	16:38
sikor_sxe	python2.5	16:38
Veggen	have you enabled the extras repository?	16:38
sikor_sxe	it's broken right now, isn't it?	16:39
sikor_sxe	and in /var/cache/apt there is archives pkgcache.bin & srcpkgcache.bin	16:40
sikor_sxe	i used the temporary repository from internettablettalk	16:41
Veggen	It's /var/lib/apt/lists	16:41
sikor_sxe	there is quite a lot in there	16:43
Veggen	ok, it's not really meant for needing to look in, but sometimes it's useful to grep those files.	16:44
sikor_sxe	from repo did you get your python2.5-gtk2 pkg?	16:45
sikor_sxe	from what repo	16:45
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sikor_sxe	(youre using os2008 i assume)	16:45
Veggen	I think it was the extras-repository (and yes, os2008)	16:45
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sikor_sxe	the extras repository works for you?	16:46
Veggen	did at least at the time :)	16:46
sikor_sxe	works now aswell	16:47
sikor_sxe	but still no python-gtk available for selection	16:48
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Veggen	python2.5-gtk2 ?	16:49
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sikor_sxe	jep	16:50
sikor_sxe	must be some other repository	16:50
Veggen	http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4%0A is a good site.	16:52
Veggen	list of repositories.	16:52
lmoura	sikor_sxe, did you try the pymaemo .install files?	16:53
sikor_sxe	i can't	16:56
sikor_sxe	the installation fire is corrupt	16:56
lmoura	sikor_sxe, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2620	16:56
lmoura	there's a workaround there about changing from repository.maemo.org to stage.maemo.org	16:57
lmoura	at least in the sdk it worked	16:57
doc\|humbug	I'm getting a number of corrupt install files, ukmp, canola2	16:57
* doc\|humbug reads bug report		16:58
sikor_sxe	lmoura: i did that	16:58
sikor_sxe	and pymaemo is installed with the correct version	16:58
sikor_sxe	i miss python2.5-gtk however	16:59
Khertan	pffff my repository still doesn't work ... grrr	17:00
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\|tbb\|	veggen got it?	17:00
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FMZ	Anyone from the Canola team here today?	17:02
sikor_sxe	well, no idea why python-gtk2 doesn't show up	17:03
sikor_sxe	when i browse the repo manually its there	17:04
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Veggen	wee. The usb host mode on my n800 works, in os2008.	17:07
shackan	Veggen: with the stock kernel?	17:08
Veggen	yup.	17:09
shackan	wow	17:09
sikor_sxe	anyone got an idea why the pkgs in the stage. repository do not show in the installation manager?	17:09
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shackan	Veggen: what device did you try?	17:09
Veggen	shackan: A usb-disk which has power itself.	17:09
shackan	sweet	17:09
Veggen	No power injection-stuff needed.	17:09
shackan	of course it didn't automount tough, right? :)	17:10
Veggen	well. It did automount after I switched to hostmode.	17:10
Veggen	but as far as I know, there's not a userfriendly app to do that, yet.	17:11
Veggen	Only thing needed is echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode	17:12
Veggen	(that switches it, and then it automagically was mounted)	17:12
Veggen	now, let's push some luck and see if my D200 digital camera works without power. (else, I'm gonna have to dig for my usb hub with power)	17:15
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\|tbb\|	veggen you havent needed a modified usb cable?	17:15
doc\|humbug	stage is working, and canola's nice :)	17:16
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Veggen	tbb: only converters, which I picked up once on a shop which sells normal cables/electronics stuff etc.	17:18
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Veggen	nuts. need to dig into the messy boxes with gadgets for my powered usb hub.	17:19
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deejoe	so, I find osso-xterm for OS2007, but not for OS2008	17:20
\|tbb\|	have 2 research for some cable like that	17:20
tontsa_	osso-xterm is included in OS2008	17:20
deejoe	tontsa_: thanks.	17:21
deejoe	I'm not going to flash unless I find that stuff I use regularly is available. That's one of them.	17:21
ph\|ber	j apache	17:23
ph\|ber	er	17:23
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Veggen	hmm.	17:28
Veggen	It worked with a powered hub.	17:28
pupnik	i bet someone could sell a decent groovebox / software synth program for the tablets	17:29
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\|tbb\|	veggen:http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2007/moredimmingoptions/?get_installfile	17:34
\|tbb\|	but acmonitor http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#acmonitor doesnt work on os2008 for me	17:36
Veggen	tbb: the options to not have the network sleep is actually what's most useful for me.	17:37
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Veggen	tbb: Does that package work on os2008?	17:38
\|tbb\|	acmonitor not	17:38
\|tbb\|	what r the network sleep options	17:39
Veggen	acmonitor had an option to ping an external site regularly to make the network not sleep.	17:40
Veggen	normally, the network will sleep, and only wake up periodically and/or when the n800 needed to access something in the world.	17:41
sp3000	it's have to ping pretty frequently to stop sleeping, heh	17:42
sp3000	it'd even	17:42
Veggen	mm.	17:42
sp3000	now silly access points that think you've gone away if you don't need anything for a few minutes, on the other hand...	17:42
Veggen	right now, I have a ping running on it to be able to ssh into it (I do sometimes prefer that to using the device itself, when playing with lower-level stuff on it ;)	17:43
Veggen	I use a box with openbsd 3.9 with a good old prism2 802.11b in it as an access-point....(it's also my firewall, so I have wireless on it's own zone on the firewall. messes up the media discovery things, though sigh	17:45
sp3000	yeah, I get that from the keepalives -o BatchMode=yes does on my sshfs mounts	17:45
sp3000	(the dear ap, don't disassociate me after 5mins silent thing that is)	17:45
sp3000	I wonder why the ap doesn't ask before disassociating	17:46
sp3000	I guess it could be a fear of waking things up	17:46
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deejoe	so, is osso-browser still opera-based?	17:46
deejoe	(in 2008?)	17:47
shackan	no!	17:47
sp3000	OS2008 doesn't come with opera	17:47
deejoe	moz, or what?	17:47
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tontsa_	it's mozilla's new microB	17:48
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deejoe	ah	17:49
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\|tbb\|	is it possible to make the toolbar of xterm bigger than now	17:56
* timeless frowns		17:59
timeless	sp3000: so, i'm writing a repository validator	17:59
timeless	and some of my files are failing	17:59
timeless	! repository.maemo.org/extras pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin-extprefs/pidgin-extprefs_0.7-0nix2_armel.deb 12380 != 12382	18:00
ph\|ber	what is up with the freaking repos	18:01
timeless	infobot repository.maemo.org deb	18:01
infobot	hmm... repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb	18:01
timeless	ph\|ber: install that, it should handle most things	18:01
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timeless	hrm	18:03
timeless	that's odd	18:03
timeless	the Packages file itself seems corrupt here	18:04
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Khertan	timeless> can you write a simple repository creator, where you can simply add a .deb that you can upload by simple web page ? :)	18:22
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skibur	Is nicotine corrupted? for os2008?	18:24
skibur	Can't install it	18:25
Khertan	skibur > all maemo repository are corrupted ...	18:26
skibur	o ok	18:27
FMZ	skibur: You don't want that anyway. You'll never be able to stop using it without hypnosis or shock therapy.	18:27
skibur	:)	18:28
* sp3000 goes take a waddle through the domain of sucky bug summaries		18:28
timeless	khertan: i probably could	18:29
timeless	i'd rather not	18:29
timeless	skibur: the nicotine i have was flagged as bad	18:29
timeless	i'm grabbing two sets of files, i'll check it again when this finishes	18:29
sp3000	how to not convince me: Summary: Add [...] options. Comment 0: [...] it would be nice to have some options [...]	18:29
* timeless rotfl		18:30
skibur	bad app? or bad deb?	18:30
timeless	i only deal in debs	18:30
* timeless doesn't install apps		18:30
* sp3000 finds it normal to flag nicotine as bad		18:30
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timeless	sp3000: i don't think nicotine is worse than a fiasco	18:31
Khertan	timeless > <timeless> i'd rather not ? " <<<< why not ?	18:31
timeless	khertan: i'd be responsible for it	18:31
timeless	to do it properly, you need some way to (a) disclaim liability	18:31
timeless	and (b) have people managing it	18:31
Khertan	timeless > arf yes ... right :)	18:32
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Khertan	but i ll like to have this to manage my own repos :)	18:32
Khertan	(which is break at this time)	18:32
* timeless sighs and looks for relevant scripts		18:33
* Khertan take a look at http://khertan.net/maemo to know why this sucks !		18:34
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crevetor	hi guys, why are the debs broken ?	18:36
timeless	hrm, your files are in dists/ not pool?	18:36
timeless	odd	18:36
sp3000	yeah, pool is optional	18:36
timeless	crevetor: eh	18:36
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* sp3000 thinks pools only came about a few years ago		18:36
Khertan	timeless > i know ... but as i found .deb / repository a good thing for user .... and i like apt-get tools	18:37
* sp3000 could be talking out of his /dev/random		18:37
Khertan	i think that tool to create repository sucks a lot !	18:37
Khertan	and documentation isn't really usefull	18:37
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Khertan	samethings for uploading .deb to a repository	18:38
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crevetor	timeless: eh ? nobody has the answer ?	18:39
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Khertan	crevetor > /topic	18:39
timeless	infobot repository.maemo.org deb	18:39
infobot	rumour has it, repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb	18:39
timeless	crevetor: you're free to try that	18:39
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skibur	anybody running abiword on os2008?	18:39
* timeless grumbles		18:40
* timeless kicks the official repository		18:40
Khertan	VICTIM=/etc/hosts	18:40
Khertan	like it ... :)	18:40
FMZ	Is there any kind of hook between the browser and VoIP software to allow you to click a link and it automatically dials the number?	18:40
timeless	fmz: callto:foopy	18:41
crevetor	timeless: what is it ?	18:41
FMZ	timeless: I don't have his number... badump psh	18:41
Khertan	.... hum ....	18:41
Khertan	bye	18:41
timeless	fmz: i have no idea what callto takes, try callto:username	18:41
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FMZ	timeless: so if I did something along the lines of: <A HREF="callto:8882224685">Foopy</A> it should work?	18:42
* timeless shrugs		18:42
blackd0t	callto is registered by Skype I believe	18:42
FMZ	timeless: Cool, thanks man	18:42
timeless	all i know is that callto will launch /something/	18:42
FMZ	lol	18:42
blackd0t	http://www.makeyougohmm.com/20030913/266/ - take a look here	18:42
blackd0t	<a href="callto://skypename/">blahblah</a>	18:43
Solarion	poor quim	18:44
crevetor	timeless: the package url you gave is it a deb that updates /etc/host so that repository.maemo.org points to your repo ?	18:44
FMZ	Hmm... wonder if it only supports Skype-to-Skype calls.	18:44
timeless	yes	18:44
crevetor	timeless: ok, i'll just add it to my repose then and desactivate the maemo repo	18:45
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crevetor	i need to try out canola2	18:45
timeless	err, no	18:45
timeless	don't deactivate the official repo	18:46
blackd0t	I need to find ettercap port for n800 somehow :/	18:46
timeless	mine only answers to the same hostname as the official	18:46
Solarion	any word on n810 codes going live?	18:46
crevetor	timeless: why is that ?	18:46
timeless	solarion: it's christmas holiday	18:46
timeless	crevetor: the goal is to transparently switch servers	18:46
Solarion	timeless: so not for a while yet?	18:46
timeless	application manager shouldn't know that anything happened	18:46
crevetor	timeless: oh ok	18:47
crevetor	i'll install your deb then	18:47
timeless	you can remove the deb at any time, and nothing bad should happen	18:47
crevetor	ok	18:47
timeless	ok, looks like i don't have nicotine, i'll grab it shortly	18:47
timeless	oh, this is bora :)	18:48
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zoran	someone tried "repostory.maemo.org" as list address?	18:49
timeless	zoran: doing that is considered risky	18:51
timeless	it might break upgrades	18:51
timeless	(probably will, although testing it requires too much work)	18:51
zoran	k	18:51
zoran	there wqas a thread on itt	18:51
* timeless avoids itt		18:51
zoran	hm	18:51
zoran	i avoid carotts	18:51
sp3000	they're out to get you?	18:52
zoran	:)	18:52
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* timeless frowns		18:53
timeless	sp3000: so, can you think of why repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin-extprefs/pidgin-extprefs_0.7-0nix2_armel.deb would have the wrong Size: in Packages ?	18:53
* sp3000 tests a random callto url		18:53
timeless	! repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin-extprefs/pidgin-extprefs_0.7-0nix2_armel.deb 12380 != 12382	18:53
timeless	repository gave me 12382, but the file says 12380 :(	18:53
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zoran	what is small diff between friends?	18:54
sp3000	hmm, yeah, that seems to work	18:54
crevetor	timeless: multiple versions with the same version number ?	18:54
zoran	unbelievable	18:54
timeless	crevetor: i'd be moderately annoyed if any real/official place allowed that	18:54
sp3000	that is, callto:timeless@g did something that looks like a call to something that has the expected avatar on it	18:55
crevetor	timeless: sure, but who knows (i don't)	18:55
* timeless nods		18:55
timeless	i could call nix	18:55
ph\|ber	how do i put a lowercase when the n810 is putting an uppercase?	18:55
crevetor	who manages the repositories at maemo.org ?	18:55
crevetor	ph\|ber: push the maj key once	18:56
timeless	ph\|ber: pressing shift once and then the letter doesn't work?	18:56
timeless	sp300: actually	18:56
sp3000	timeless: hum, if it were out of date it should have a different version I suppose	18:56
blackd0t	What irc client do you use on n800?	18:56
timeless	! repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/pidgin-extprefs/pidgin-extprefs_0.7-0nix2_armel.deb 12378 != 12382	18:56
timeless	it looks like nix has sent at least 2 files that are unhappy	18:56
timeless	hrm	18:57
timeless	i wonder if it's confusing file 3 w/ files 1 and 2	18:57
* crevetor thinks there should be a news on maemo.org informing people that the repos are down		18:57
crevetor	cause i wondered at one point if my device was doing something wrong	18:58
zoran	timeless, maybe some back end script chooses different sources for the file of the same name	18:59
zoran	lke rr	18:59
timeless	sp3000: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-check.txt	19:00
timeless	http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-check.input	19:01
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ph\|ber	anyone have vncviewer for the 810 out yet?	19:02
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* timeless ponders at free/u/unrar-nonfree		19:06
zoran	hm repository resolves at 213.254.238.137; "repostory" resolves to 61.61.85.32	19:07
timeless	repository is akamai, it'll resolve to something "near" you	19:07
timeless	*.maemo.org that isn't something special is stage.maemo.org	19:08
zoran	yes, see it now	19:08
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skibur	hello	19:16
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svolpe	I went to tweak my sources list only to find out that the applications manager actually puts the repository information in "/etc/hildon-applications/catalogues" and not "/etc/apt/sources.list" why has maemo deviated from using sources.list, what is the advantage?	19:31
* timeless chuckles		19:32
timeless	advantages	19:32
timeless	it's 100% xml buzzword compliant	19:32
timeless	parsing it is as complicated as parsing xml	19:33
timeless	instead of as simple as renaming files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/	19:33
timeless	and it isn't really maemo that deviated	19:33
svolpe	timeless, Nokia then.	19:34
timeless	svolpe: who wouldn't want to be buzzword compliant? :)	19:35
derf	I wouldn't.	19:36
svolpe	svolpe, It just seemed like a bad idea, in the past when certain distros diviated from standard config files it always seemed to lead to quite a bit of headache and incompatibility. However I hate to be judgemental :-)	19:36
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timeless	sources.list is still used :) it's just write only :)	19:39
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kpel	hi all	19:39
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hahlo	that lastfm client works well	19:54
skibur	is it usefull?	19:55
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* sp3000 is mean		19:56
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K`zan_n800	Morning all.	19:59
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hahlo	yes if listen lastfm	20:01
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hahlo	some reason gpg didn't work as user	20:04
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timeless	sp3000: is that in a bug? :)	20:09
timeless	sp3000: i think i figured out one of these bugs	20:09
timeless	Filename: pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix0_i386.deb	20:09
timeless	Size: 892	20:09
timeless	Filename: pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix1_i386.deb	20:09
timeless	Size: 875542	20:09
sp3000	o_O	20:10
* sp3000 finds the changed digit		20:10
sp3000	but that's an interesting change	20:11
timeless	-rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 884910 2007-12-13 15:30 repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix0_armel.deb	20:11
timeless	-rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 875544 2007-12-14 16:30 repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix0_i386.deb	20:11
timeless	-rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 884926 2007-12-15 16:30 repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix1_armel.deb	20:11
timeless	-rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 875542 2007-12-15 16:30 repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pidgin/pidgin-dbg_2.3.1-0nix1_i386.deb	20:11
sp3000	rather like a b vs kB	20:11
sp3000	er, B vs kB even	20:11
* timeless shrugs		20:11
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sp3000	so not quite	20:13
timeless	nope :(	20:13
timeless	anyway, since it isn't the latest version of the file, i suppose i don't care much	20:15
timeless	but ..	20:15
GNUton	Hi	20:18
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hahlo	Is irssi or bitlbee ported maemo?	20:33
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doc\|humbug	grrrr, mplayer+maemo--	20:40
timeless	hahlo: https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/irsii-commits	20:41
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hahlo	good	20:41
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hahlo	then one can do irc with it	20:42
blackd0t	Any news on when the maemo repository will be fine? I can't install maemo sdk because 'apt-get update' fails telling me there is a network problem	20:42
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timeless	infobot repository.maemo.org deb	20:45
infobot	well, repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb	20:45
timeless	blackd0t: you should be able to install that deb and be happy	20:45
blackd0t	Ahh so this is the one changing the dns?	20:46
timeless	yes	20:46
blackd0t	Thanks I'll try that	20:46
* timeless puzzles		20:46
timeless	you've heard of this somewhere?	20:46
blackd0t	Yeah, I've been on this channel ~2 hours ago, but then I had no idea what you were talking about ;)	20:47
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blackd0t	Now it all makes sense	20:47
dskippy	timeless, Should we just dpkg -i that .deb file than rerun the the SDK install script with the "don't try to download" option?	20:50
timeless	dskippy: the nokia binaries script is not in my repository	20:51
timeless	because i believe i can't legally have it	20:51
timeless	so make sure you already have that :)	20:51
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doc\|humbug	hmm, so the mplayer.garage.maemo.org install script doesn't work and the deb on the berlios site doesn't install. Anyone got an alternative to install mplayer?	20:52
dskippy	timeless, everytime I've tried to install that I get an error in my script anyway.	20:52
dskippy	So I've been skipping it.	20:52
dskippy	What do I need it for?	20:52
* timeless shrugs		20:52
timeless	i've never setup the nokia bits	20:52
dskippy	timeless, is python2.5 in your repository by any chance?	20:52
doc\|humbug	s/berlios/garage	20:53
timeless	it should be in extras for chinook	20:53
dskippy	Hmm, this script is still doing some apt-get'ing.	20:53
timeless	dskippy: i need to find someone who can write an evil proxy script	20:54
* timeless tried hijacking one and failed		20:54
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pupnik770	happy $day	20:56
doc\|humbug	anyone?	20:57
dskippy	You want to try proxying so that the repository points elsewhere or something?	20:57
timeless	the installer supports a proxy	20:57
blackd0t	timeless: The dns fix works like a charm so far, thanks again	20:58
timeless	i'd like to be able to have a proxy usually picks my server, but for the nokia stuff picks the real one	20:58
unique311	pupnik,	21:00
pupnik770	hi	21:01
dskippy	this apt-get from the repository (after installing your .deb) seems to be working (40%)	21:01
unique311	I found a genesis emu that seems to be working	21:01
pupnik770	i am guessing more good gngeo news, right unnique><":	21:01
pupnik770	oh no way	21:01
unique311	but only get black screen on the device.	21:01
dskippy	I'm still not clear on if the python2.5 stuff is in your repository or not, timeless.	21:01
pupnik770	cooool	21:02
unique311	segfaults in scratchox always because of sound.	21:02
pupnik770	try a different rom	21:02
unique311	but definitely looks like it wants to live	21:02
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unique311	tried a couple.	21:02
unique311	everything seems to be working from the command line.	21:02
unique311	no errors at all.	21:02
unique311	but just the blank screen.	21:02
unique311	and a noise.	21:02
blackd0t	Is it possible to port ettercap with the maemo sdk?	21:03
pupnik770	should be easy blackdot as long as promiscuous mode works	21:03
pupnik770	it is sdl unique	21:03
unique311	yes	21:03
unique311	i did manage to compile the tcltk frontend version of it.	21:04
blackd0t	pupnik770: what interests me the most is just the arp poisoning technique that ettercap uses	21:04
unique311	the gtk version i cant get to compile.	21:04
blackd0t	pupnik770: promiscuous mode should work as the wireless card is able to get into monitor mode with no problem	21:04
pupnik770	youre not talking about dgen unique}]"	21:05
unique311	no	21:06
unique311	generator	21:06
unique311	generator-0.35-cbiere-r2.tar.bz2 <---- that version	21:06
unique311	and also	21:06
pupnik770	ill check here	21:06
unique311	also the regular generator-0.35	21:06
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unique311	you need to line out 1 line.	21:07
unique311	maybe you don't need to.	21:08
ph\|ber	y0	21:08
ph\|ber	anyone using gnokii with a symbian based phone?	21:08
unique311	pupnik i will pm you the string	21:09
pupnik770	hmm i have a different version	21:09
unique311	and links	21:09
pupnik770	also o.35 but not cbiere i think	21:09
svolpe	:q	21:09
pupnik770	thanks	21:10
unique311	0.35 will work also	21:10
pupnik770	it doesnt build here	21:10
svolpe	hehe, wrong window, not the VI window, sorry :-)	21:10
* pupnik770 finds a 770 the perfect companion for IRCing while playing chess with relatives on christmas		21:11
* sp3000 likes the karma math on this one: http://maemo.org/profile/view/scriptkiller		21:11
Veggen	ircing while playing chess? Is your family exceptionally bad playing chess?	21:12
Veggen	(not requiring your attention)	21:12
dskippy	Veggen, no, his IRC friends are exceptionally good ;)	21:12
dskippy	"Shoot, dad captured my knight, what do I do?" - pipnik770	21:13
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Veggen	:)	21:13
unique311	pupnik770 do i pm pupnik770 or pupnik?	21:13
pupnik770	770	21:14
pupnik770	just not registered with this guy	21:14
svolpe	dskippy, I'm having the same issue with the sdk script, I have installed timeless's dpkg but I guess now my question is how do I know were the original sdk script left off? Is there one main deb file I can install that pulls everything else?	21:14
unique311	cbeires version http://www.dylanleigh.net/software/lostemulators/generator-0.35-cbiere-r2.tar.bz2	21:14
blackd0t	pupnik770: what irc client are you using now?	21:14
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dskippy	svolpe, I am having luck with running the sdk script with -fcyd	21:14
dskippy	After installing timeless's .deb	21:14
pupnik770	xchat	21:15
dskippy	But I fear this is not going to help me get python2.5 on my scratchbox or the device itself.	21:15
pupnik770	grabbing it unique311	21:15
unique311	CFLAGS=-O3 ./configure --with-gcc --with-sdl --with-cmz80	21:15
pupnik770	k	21:15
unique311	was told to use -O3 for speed	21:15
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Sho_	Amazon.com Christmas bestseller announcement: "In PCs, the top sellers included Apple MacBook, Nokia Internet Tablet PC and HP Pavilion Entertainment Notebook PC."	21:15
blackd0t	pupnik770: I have to find it somewhere as the official port site seemed broken last time I visited it :/	21:16
dskippy	I'm at an excting 98% post timeless.deb	21:16
pupnik770	blackd0t, cant work on it now sry	21:16
blackd0t	dskippy: Everything worked fine for me, so it should be fine for you as well :)	21:16
blackd0t	pupnik770: Sure no problem :)	21:16
unique311	you will get 1 error on the building it. you need o line out line 123 in reg68k.c	21:17
dskippy	blackd0t, you using python2.5 by any chance?	21:17
unique311	but then again that might be why the screen is black...lol	21:17
blackd0t	dskippy: Nope	21:17
dskippy	Damn. I think I'm on my own with that one.	21:17
blackd0t	dskippy: I only needed to install Ruby for Metasploit Framework :)	21:17
Cptnodegard	hrmpf	21:18
Cptnodegard	making a usb otg cable	21:18
dskippy	blackd0t, maybe I'll just have to write this in Ruby then.	21:18
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doc\|humbug	anyone?	21:19
pupnik770	ok building unique	21:19
pupnik770	ok thanks	21:19
blackd0t	dskippy: Ruby seems to work fine, I can do in metasploit everything that I can on stationary computers	21:19
svolpe	dskippy, thanks.	21:20
dskippy	svolpe, no problem.	21:20
svolpe	dskippy, not sure if it helps, but I have OE set up to build N800 debs so I might be able to build the python2.5 debs with it as I too need to get python running. This solution will only help with the device of course.	21:21
kulve	anybody using Mobile MythTv?	21:22
hugol1	kulve: me	21:22
hugol1	but I cant get it to work with the last OS2008 image	21:22
hugol1	it worked with OS2008 beta	21:22
kulve	hugol1: I'm running the client ok on os2008, but I'm having problems with the transcoder part..	21:23
hugol1	kulve: it doesnt start for me after I configure it	21:23
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kulve	I compiled everything from the svn/gitr	21:23
kulve	-r	21:23
hugol1	the transcoding part was fine	21:24
hugol1	kulve: ok, I used the debs	21:24
hugol1	thats why	21:24
svolpe	dskippy, I'm tired of there not being a good scientific calculator out there so I figured I would write one in python since I also want to learn python :-)	21:24
dskippy	svlope, sounds like a pretty useful program.	21:24
dskippy	svolpe, will you maybe add some graphing to it?	21:24
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dskippy	svolpe, that's pretty surprising there's not yet a scientific calculator for maemo.	21:25
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svolpe	dskippy, I want to make it full featured. there is the HP48S emulator but I don't like it. I like RPN but not the HP48S.	21:26
timeless	dskippy: my repository is just a /working/ copy of the real repository, and it has python2.5 in extras just like real does, see http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4	21:27
Veggen	svolpe: tell me about it. The last good HP was the 42S :)	21:28
Veggen	(I know you might disagree and say the 15C, though ;)	21:28
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svolpe	Veggen, hehe, I love my 28S. well there is a 42S emulator (thats the one I meant..) but I still don't like running an emulator.	21:29
dskippy	timeless, I have the deb you posted. But how should I point my apt-sources to your repository.	21:30
timeless	dskippy: installing the deb changes dns for the normal repositories	21:31
dskippy	Ah I see. so I am using your repository right now then?	21:33
timeless	if you installed the deb, yes	21:33
dskippy	Can I install this .deb on my n800?	21:33
timeless	yes	21:33
* timeless originally wrote it for normal devices		21:34
dskippy	Awesome.	21:34
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timeless	hrm, last person to use it grabbed samba-common :)	21:35
timeless	hrm, that's you	21:36
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tbf	how can i fix this warning?	21:37
tbf	W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2	21:37
timeless	you can't	21:38
timeless	it's a warning	21:38
timeless	and it's nokia's fault	21:38
timeless	you could fix it by turning the device off until they fix it	21:38
tbf	timeless: uh, that was a quick response :-)	21:38
unique311	pupnik, you got dgen runnig already, lol.	21:38
unique311	screw generator.	21:38
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tbf	hmm... well, and now my real problem: apt-get cannot find libgettextpo0	21:40
tbf	is that related to that warning?	21:40
timeless	the warning is just a warning	21:40
tbf	or is my sources.list incomplete?	21:40
* tbf wonders were to find the default sources.list		21:40
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dskippy	timeless, how do I undo the chances your .deb makes later when the repository is back?	21:41
timeless	tbf: which os? 2008?	21:41
tbf	timeless: yup	21:41
unique311	pupnik, i found this thread on ITT. dejavu http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9891	21:41
timeless	tbf: gronmayer claims it doesn't know of a package by that name	21:41
tbf	timeless: who or what is gronmayer?	21:41
sp3000	tbf,topic	21:42
sp3000	a metacatalog you might say	21:42
tbf	sp3000: duh	21:42
tbf	timeless: strange: glom depends on that package	21:43
sp3000	re topic, there's no ox2008 download slowness anymore is there	21:43
sp3000	s/ox/os	21:43
sp3000	since about the weekend or thereabouts	21:43
timeless	sp3000: i think it's no longer slow	21:44
timeless	just broken :)	21:44
blackd0t	Can you send me a mount command to mount the n800 device through the usb data cable on linux?	21:44
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tbf	timeless, sp3000: he, but really have to bookmark that site on the n800. very useful!	21:45
timeless	sp3000: is there some file that lists all files contained in all packages?	21:45
timeless	i thought i saw one	21:45
kulve	blackd0t: something like: mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt ?	21:45
blackd0t	kulve: Ok, I just don't know what filesystem to use and which device it can be	21:46
kulve	"dmesg" will show the device name your linux box sees the n800. And if you have two cards in the n800, you will see them both	21:46
kulve	on my box it's usually sda1 and sdb1	21:46
sp3000	timeless: like http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/Contents-armel.gz ?	21:46
timeless	sounds good	21:46
blackd0t	kulve: Ahh yes, you're right. Thanks a lot	21:46
timeless	sp3000: yeah that	21:47
timeless	but, what does that mean?	21:48
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sp3000	hmM?	21:49
pupnik770	unique311, no idea what commenting that out does but the cpu load while running generator is zero	21:49
timeless	tbf: so um	21:50
timeless	usr/lib/libgettextpo.so.0 devel/gettext	21:50
tbf	timeless: checking right now, if am also a victim of that stupid repostory bug	21:50
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* timeless wonders what glom is		21:52
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tbf	(20:50:51) tbf: timeless: checking right now, if am also a victim of that stupid repostory bug	21:52
pupnik770	to attach suddenly to something like a child hugging a grandmother	21:52
timeless	re the nokia repository thing	21:52
timeless	what happened was they updated one file but didn't update the gpg signature	21:52
timeless	it's a process bug	21:53
timeless	and the only people who can fix it are those (a) w/ the key and (b) w/ write access to the server	21:53
tbf	timeless: nah, that DNS name typo	21:53
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tbf	timeless: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13721	21:53
timeless	tbf: this was to someone who has a problem w/ the nokia catalogue	21:54
timeless	which is a different repository	21:54
timeless	with different problems :)	21:54
unique311	pupnik770, you got dgen working?	21:55
blackd0t	Ok, a question. I compiled my first simple printf("Hello world") with 'gcc -o hello hello.c" in ARMEL scratchbox, copied it to n800, but when I execute it in xterm it tells me "Permission denied" despite the fact there are already execute permissions on it.	21:55
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timeless	tbf: ok... so...	21:56
timeless	afaik that package is "wrong"	21:56
timeless	but maybe i'm wrong	21:56
unique311	generator is a emualtor for genesis and megadrive., dgen is only a genesis emu.	21:56
timeless	hrm, nope	21:57
timeless	it seems that there is such a package	21:57
unique311	pupnik770, you tried getting better speeds from dgen?	21:57
timeless	anyway, re glom, i'm assuming that whomever "ported" glom to maemo didn't realize they needed to publish libgettextpo0 too	21:59
kulve	blackd0t: the mmcs are mounted as "noexec" by default	22:04
kulve	blackd0t: so, maybe easiest thing is to copy it to ~ (i.e. /home/user/) and run it there	22:05
timeless	the other way is to create a file and loopback mount any unix filesystem from it :)	22:07
tbf	timeless: well, let's see if i can catch one of the glom guys tomorrow, to figure out what's wrong	22:07
timeless	tbf: can you figure out who posted the deb?	22:08
tbf	timeless: yes, i know that guys. they just aren't online this evening	22:08
* tbf postpones that problem, until they come online		22:09
pupnik770	unique311, no	22:09
tbf	more interesting now: why is wayfinder's map empty on a n800?	22:09
tbf	'cause of the missing GPS chip?	22:09
timeless	no	22:09
timeless	you need to download maps	22:09
timeless	map>maps, available maps, update	22:10
kulve	tbf: and if you don't have enough space on the internal mmc, if will act very oddly	22:10
timeless	pick a map; download	22:10
timeless	repeat as it tickles your fancy	22:10
timeless	maps in device, select the one you want to use, ok	22:10
tbf	kulve: how many space is needed?	22:11
timeless	kulve: it's much more fun when the mmc	22:11
timeless	tbf: some maps are ~1mb	22:11
timeless	some are ~800mb	22:11
tbf	ok, depends	22:11
timeless	kulve:... the mmc is mounted readonly by the kernel because of corruption :)	22:11
kulve	tbf: yeah, it will the the megabytes on the list	22:11
tbf	timeless: so i just have to find your "map" entry	22:12
tbf	ah!	22:12
tbf	menu button on the right!	22:12
timeless	on the "right"?	22:12
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tbf	timeless: erm... "the other right", aka "left"	22:12
timeless	oh right!	22:12
* timeless worried tbf might have left self hanging...		22:13
tbf	timeless: thanks for help	22:14
timeless	tbf: if you get glom fixed, thanks in advance :)	22:14
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tbf	timeless: (well, actually i work for openismus, aka the glom guys ;-) --- just exploring the n800 I've got on saturday)	22:16
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timeless	tbf: ok...	22:16
* timeless doesn't know anything about glom		22:16
tbf	nice device	22:16
tbf	(that n800)	22:16
tbf	my father, my brother, my father in law and my brother in law immediatly wanted to buy one, once they saw it :-D	22:17
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Cptnodegard	anyone tried connecting non-english keyboards to the n800 with usb otg?	22:21
acydlord	tbf I took mine to podcamp and just about everyonr there wanted it	22:21
Cptnodegard	i'd very much like to have the extra æøå from norwegian keyboards	22:21
acydlord	Cptnodegard, sure haven't, might be able to do something with xmodmap if the n800 has norwegian support	22:22
Cptnodegard	i think it has norwegian as one of the languages (nokia is finish after all, outr neighbors :P)	22:23
Cptnodegard	so im crossing my fingers ^^	22:23
tontsa_	well you will get å atleast working :)	22:24
acydlord	i see norsk in the language/region dropdown	22:24
Cptnodegard	:D	22:24
Cptnodegard	nice, thx	22:24
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troozers	blimey are the maemo repos still knackered*	22:25
troozers	ooops '?' not '*'	22:27
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timeless	infobot repository.maemo.org deb	22:27
infobot	it has been said that repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb	22:27
timeless	troozers: install that	22:27
tbf	is it possible to change the user name used for connecting to samba servers?	22:29
* tbf wants to backup some data from his GiB flash card		22:29
troozers	installing...	22:30
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tbf	well, and what really bugs me, is the context menu always showing up below the pen	22:31
tbf	the usability guys at nokia all must be left handers	22:31
troozers	holy installing apps batman, it WORKS!	22:31
timeless	tbf: it's funny	22:31
timeless	everyone seems to think that	22:31
troozers	cheers timeless	22:31
timeless	but really, the device is designed for right handed people	22:31
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timeless	it just happens to magically work relatively well for left handed people because the designers think right handed people will use the device in one way	22:32
timeless	and the lefties don't use it the exact opposite way	22:32
pupnik770	of course its for right handers... rh gets stylus	22:32
pupnik770	us left handers cant use dpad while holding stylus easily	22:32
timeless	pupnik: yeah, but we quickly learn not to try	22:33
pupnik770	sure, adversity is what makes us stronger	22:33
pupnik770	:P	22:33
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tbf	well, we've got the force to change the source	22:34
pupnik770	180 degree rotation for X xrandr would solve it	22:34
tbf	guess I'll collect some karma by patching maemo's gtk to properly display the context menu	22:34
timeless	tbf: eh?	22:35
tbf	timeless: well, the tap-and-hold context menu always is covered by the stylus for me	22:35
tbf	timeless: i cannot read the menu items, as i cannot look thru the stylus	22:35
timeless	are you right handed or left handed?	22:36
tbf	timeless: right-handed	22:36
* timeless chuckles		22:36
timeless	stylus in right hand?	22:36
tbf	timeless: yup	22:37
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svolpe	dskippy, were you able to get maemo-explicit to install?	22:43
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blackd0t	Where can I find libpcap dev version for maemo 4.0 in order to compile ettercap sources?	22:47
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svolpe	timeless, I used your deb for modifying the hosts file to allow sdk to install, however I was unable to install maemo-explicit and it does not apear to be in the repo.	22:52
blackd0t	it worked for me couple of hours ago	22:52
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dobey	hola	23:08
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dobey	can anyone tell me why the app manager on chinook would tell me that a package built in a chinook chroot is invalid?	23:10
sibbe	invalid section maybe? it should be user/something iirc	23:12
dobey	it's a library	23:17
sp3000	dobey: look at the log	23:17
dobey	where's that? in /var/log?	23:17
sp3000	menu tools log	23:18
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dobey	huh	23:18
dobey	ok	23:18
dskippy	Does anyone know if there's a suggested practice for making multi-window programs?	23:21
dskippy	I am going to be making an application which will behave a lot like a wizard (but not linear) The user will chose from some fixed options and go to one of the 5 or 6 windows I have in the program.	23:22
dskippy	I'm conserned about closing windows causing the program to quit or window flicker and the like. I'm not sure if these are things that will really be an issue as I'm just starting out though.	23:23
dskippy	Looking for tips on which direction to go in.	23:23
ds3	is there a hildon equivalent to something like xstring or opie-sh to do a simple UI from a shell script?	23:27
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