IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2007-12-24

mk8sorrry for my stupid question, I just update my n800 to os2008 and try to install a calendar application but now I not able to find it00:00
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kpelmk8: join the club :) same here.00:00
mk8on os2007 I used gep-calendar00:00
timelyxkpel / mk8: do you use gronmeyer?00:00
mk8I not know  it00:01
kpeljust a plain os2008 image00:01
kpelthe released one00:01
kpelthere are about 10 apps in the apps list currently.00:02
kpelmk8: yeah, the calendar was cool. and the weather applet as well00:02
timelyxsee url in topic00:02
* timelyx sighs00:02
* timelyx can't spell00:03
timelyx(that's what web browsers are for)00:03
kpelah, so that's what that cryptic url is for. i'll have a look, thanks.00:03
timelyxanyway, between r.m.o/ and r.m.o/extras you should be able to get most of what you want - but using gronmayer is the way to go00:04
kpeli wish nokia had the presence of mind to add a bookmark of that site in the os2008 image00:05
kpelit can't be that difficult00:05
mk8p|:  I lookithis link now00:07
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kpelos2008 uses chinook instead of bora?00:11
kpelok thanks00:11
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kpelwhen i try to install the maemo-mapper i get "installation file corrupted"... i guess this has to do with the repository glitch00:12
kpeloh well, it's just teething problems00:13
timelyxinfobot deb00:13
infobot[ deb] unofficial, all warrantees void,
timelyxkpel: you're welcome to try that00:13
p|does exists fdisk/cfsdisk form chinook ?00:13
mk8p|:  thanks00:14
kpeltimeless: thanks00:14
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timelyx /util-linux-2.12p/fdisk/sfdisk.c00:16
timelyxinfobot deb is unofficial, all warrantees void,
infoboti already had it that way, timelyx00:16
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timelyxinfobot deb is a cross reference, specifically a subset for maemo based on
infobot...but deb is already something else...00:17
timelyxinfobot is a cross reference, specifically a subset for maemo based on
infobotokay, timelyx00:17
kpeltimelyx: worked like a charm. I owe you a beer :)00:17
timelyxutil-linux is in the main chinook repository according to gronmayer00:17
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sp3000the server in 2608 is funny00:24
sp3000depending on the "mime" param, it'll give you two random content-type headers00:24
timelyxsp3000: http://http://?00:25
timelyxthe validator link you left in 260800:25
sp3000I think I want to blame trunk's urlbar00:26
sp3000it does random things00:26
sp3000as we've discovered :\00:27
timelyxno kidding00:27
vbraunDoes n800+pan bluetooth  -> PC -> internet work for anyone? My linux PC's pand never starts pppd and hcidump output says the n800 disconnects.00:27
timelyxyou can use that link, it came from camino00:27
timelyxi trust it :)00:27
vbraunI mean, dund00:28
timelyxsp3000: personally, i think the bookmark importer wins for cleverness00:28
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vbraunWhat i meant to say: Does n800+dun bluetooth  -> PC -> internet work for anyone? My linux PC's dund never starts pppd ...00:29
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timelyxeven over the flaky rss feed you found00:30
timelyxvbraun: i've never tried00:30
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timelyxsp3000: stupid question00:36
timelyxis 4.0 equivalent to chinook00:36
timelyxas repositories go?00:36
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|tbb1fix repository should stay on topic:
timelyxthat's a fairly dangerous change01:19
timelyxdoes anyone actually understand the ramifications?01:19
||cwof what?  their being a typo in the dns?01:22
|tbb1jaffa: r u around01:24
timelyx||cw: atm * maps to stage.maemo.org01:25
timelyxwhich is the backing store for repository.maemo.org01:25
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timelyxhowever, i don't understand how application manager manages "install domains"01:25
timelyxis it by repository "name" or by repository "path"?01:25
timelyxif it's by repository path, then this change means you'd have an awful time dealing w/ upgrades01:26
timelyxbecause of repository pinning01:26
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timelyxand if it's by name, then the feature's at least partly broken01:26
||cwit's by package version01:26
timelyxit pins by provider01:26
timelyxif X provides x and you install x01:26
||cwoh, yeah the pinning01:26
timelyxthen you can't upgrade to x from Y01:27
timelyxthe question is what defines X/Y01:27
timelyxand i don't know the answer01:27
||cwpinning is by URI01:27
timelyxso changing the dns name will cause hell01:27
timelyxi do know that changing the ip address behind X can not cause any problems01:27
timelyxbecause that's what the mirrors do01:27
||cwwell, for the few that pinning actually matters,01:27
timelyxi think too many people read itt01:28
timelyxincluding people for whom pinning was designed01:28
timelyxif it was designed for anyone01:28
||cwhm, os2006 has no pinning01:28
||cwso no issue there01:29
timelyxit's a 2008 feature01:29
* |tbb1 disappointed about the colors of the lcd on the n81001:31
|tbb1the screen looks much better on n800 (only in sunlight the n810 wins)01:32
sp3000then you need to spend more time in the blue room :)01:33
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||cwbut the day orb!  it burns!01:34
DeLeOnany news about the discount codes?01:34
|tbb1its really sad, if you run both devices at same time, and comparing the screen01:34
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timelyxDeLeOn: most people are on vacation01:41
timelyxdon't expect news before new years01:41
timelyxand most likely bloggers will talk first01:41
* sp3000 can't figure out what 2608 barfs on01:41
timelyxpeople keep telling me that code is open01:43
timelyxbut i keep forgetting to try to push that01:44
timelyxwanna bug me today in say... 9 hours?01:44
sp3000pushing what where now?01:44
timelyxwell, i'm sure there are a couple of xrefs that can be copied to :)01:45
steri|tbb|: OMFG! thank a LOT01:46
sterior |tbb1 :)01:46
skiburanybody have an invisible shield on there N800?01:48
timelyxis that like a heat shield?01:48
skiburah no01:49
sterion the display?01:49
steriit's just protective sheet01:49
skiburto protect the screen01:49
sterijust took it away01:49
skibur   <---  Video got me wondering if its good. :P01:51
sp3000"protect the leading edges of military helicopter blades"? ok :)01:51
sp3000not where I'd keep my tablet, but ymmv01:51
timelyxwell.. as long as you don't take it out in the rain01:51
timelyxand keep it at temperatures w/in the operating limits01:52
timelyxi don't remember any notes in the user guide prohibiting high speed rotation01:52
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astro76skibur, the invisible shield is too thick and rubbery for touch screens, the boxwave is much better01:52
skiburI c01:52
astro76you also need a ton of liquid to apply the invisible shield01:53
skiburo k thanks lol01:54
astro76I have the crystal but a few others in here have me wishing I got the anti-glare01:54
jeff1fMartin Fields is really good too01:54
astro76will get it eventually01:54
astro76also for outside the US, this looks to be identical to the boxwave...
skiburSo, its a good buy?01:56
astro76skibur, definitely01:56
skiburI bought a geneirc Screen Protector at Wal-Mart, but it doesn't do the job01:57
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astro76yeah I've tried those on devices in the past, this is much, much better01:58
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astro76easy to apply, washable and reappliable01:58
astro76hey I still can't believe I never tried to fit the ultra-slim keyboard in the case logic case with my n800, I had all three02:00
astro76thanks again for that ;)02:00
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astro76(in case anyone's wondering )02:01
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skiburmy post02:04
skiburdid you see the pics?02:04
skiburI just added them today02:04
astro76yes I did02:05
astro76you know the stand comes off the keyboard, right?02:06
skiburI was eating a bowl of Cocoa Pebbles when posting. :P02:06
skiburits even better02:06
skiburwhen it comes off02:07
astro76it is02:07
skiburI just left it intact to show it still fits good in the case02:07
astro76my only possible complaint about the keyboard is that the F keys and scroll lock, num lock, etc... are not labeled02:09
skiburhum... never notice it02:11
jeff1fanyone get the thumbpad to work with the newest firmware?02:12
vbraunjeff1f: By pressing the "square center" key02:12
skiburo I see02:13
astro76skibur, this is the mapping
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skiburFN + Blue access the Blue Characters   :P02:13
skibursame with green.  Maybe thats why I didn't notice it02:14
astro76yeah it's got everything but they have focused more on smart phone labelling02:14
skiburHell Yeah! Thanks astro7602:15
skiburI've been looking for that02:15
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skiburNow I can use MC02:16
astro76no prob, had to hunt those down by trial and error02:16
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jpt9i have an n770 with os 2007he.02:16
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jpt9i tried to install abiword; it didn't work.02:17
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jpt9turns out there's some sort of conflict with libcanola.02:17
jpt9when i do pretty much anything with apt-get, i get the following error:02:18
jpt9E: The package libcanola-plugins-base1.0-plugin-model-shared needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.02:18
jpt9i can't seem to remove the package.02:19
jpt9i've tried apt-get remove, and still get the same error...02:19
jpt9and the package doesn't show up in the app manager.02:20
jpt9any ideas?02:20
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jaharkesjpt9, sometimes 'apt-get -f install' can get things unstuck02:20
jpt9nope.  or was i supposed to put something after 'install'?02:21
jaharkesnomis, just that02:22
jpt9this is annoying.  people shouldn't be allowed to take repositories offline :-)02:23
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vbraunastro76, skibur: Which case logic model is that?02:23
jaharkesany errors on apt-get update?02:23
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skiburCase Logic - Compact Portable Hard Drive Case02:24
jaharkesyou can probably use dpkg --remove or --purge to remove the package02:24
jpt9dpkg --remove returns:02:26
jpt9Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should02:26
jpt9 reinstall it before attempting a removal.02:26
jpt9but i can't, since the repo's offline02:27
jpt9should i try --purge?02:27
jpt9just tried --purge; it didn't help...02:29
astro76this is why everything should be in main or extras repos like a normal distribution02:31
jpt9should i try adding --force-all?02:32
dragornI'm not sure how what repo something is in affects his locally broken dpkg database02:32
jpt9i think the comment was related to the fact that i can't reinstall the pkg since the repo providing it is offline02:33
astro76and of course what would really help regardless of repo set up, is mirrors ;)02:33
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jpt9stupid question -- does anyone ever use alternate window managers on maemo?02:40
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craftonhi! there's a port of TomBoy to os2008? or any similar app?02:47
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vbrauntomboy is a mono app... good luck in porting ;-P02:54
derfHmm, maemo mapper 2.2 is a gekk of a lot slower than
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alteregoderf, you're on a 770?03:02
alteregoI heard someone was attempting mono for maemo.03:03
alteregoWell, I heard it was supposed to be slower. For a few reasons.03:03
alteregoI'm sure it'll get better in time.03:03
craftonvbraun you mean that mono is really hard to port to maemo?03:04
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alteregoI don't see why mono would be that difficult to port to mameo.03:04
infoboti heard maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future.
alteregoHell, I don't know mono and I bet I could do it in a couple of days ..03:04
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craftonmono is working on sansa mp3 players.. and I'm sure this is a more restricted-hardware than the itablets03:05
alteregoPorting mono to maemo would be easy. But do we really need another language?03:06
derfHas anyone been able to get the POI download stuff working? It seems totally broken.03:06
craftonraelly.. i wish a TomBoy-like app03:06
craftonit would be nice.03:07
alteregoWith the flash images getting bigger and bigger, not to mention all the applications available in the catalog. I don't think it's wise adding more development platforms ..03:07
alteregoWell, you could port it to python.03:07
alteregoIt's a relatively simple app really ..03:07
craftonit's what i thought03:07
alteregoOr Ruby.03:07
craftonin python would be relative easy03:07
alteregoRuby's Gtk bindings are more fun.03:07
craftonbut, the interesting is sync with TomBoy notes. I think they would use xml standard or something03:08
alteregoAgain, that's hardly a problem :P03:08
crafton:D you're being obviously ironic03:09
craftonreally.. i'm noob programmer.. it would be a nice exercise03:09
alteregoAFAIK tomboy uses HTML :P03:12
alteregoAnyhow, I'm off.03:12
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GNUtongood night03:22
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yabbas~seen penguinbait04:25
infobotpenguinbait <n=sage-@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 6h 31m 51s ago, saying: 'Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!'.04:25
yabbasanyone good with python porting?04:25
lmourayabbas, go ahead04:26
yabbasI'm getting the following  error when running an app I compiled:  Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix>04:27
yabbasCould not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix>04:27
yabbasConsider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>]04:28
yabbas'import site' failed; use -v for traceback04:28
lmourawhat command triggers that output?04:29
yabbasgah - forgot the last line04:30
yabbasImportError: No module named cwiid04:30
yabbascommand is:  ./wminput -w04:30
yabbaswmgui works wonderfully :) I managed to connect a Wiimote to the N800 and play with it!04:30
lmourathis wminput is a python script or binary?04:30
yabbasany ideas?04:31
lmouramaybe it is calling the scratchbox own python instead of python2.504:31
yabbashow would I go about fixing that?04:31
lmouradid you try running python and import this module manually?04:33
lmoura(I mean python2.5)04:33
yabbasnope .. lemme try that04:35
yabbasgah - I know what's up04:36
* yabbas runs off to fix04:36
yabbasmake didn't build the cwiid module04:40
* yabbas blames his tools04:40
pupnikyoutube has a scary amount of video04:41
lmourayabbas, is it working now?04:44
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yabbaslmoura, I'm new to all this linking/porting/etc business.  Currently learning through trial by error >_< it's a slow, slow process.04:47
lmouraI know, but this particular error is gone? :)04:47
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yabbaslol - still trying to build the module04:48
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yabbasbuilding 'cwiid' extension04:48
yabbasunable to execute /scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/gcc: No such file or directory04:48
lmouraoh, ok. Good luck :)04:48
* yabbas curses04:48
yabbasI know why it doesn't build - I know where the files are.  Dammnit  what I don't know is where and how  to edit these Makefiles to point to the places I want!04:49
* yabbas goes to read what " python build_ext" does04:52
fnordianslipdoes it use a configure script?04:53
fnordianslipoh no.04:53
yabbasno ./configure no04:54
fnordianslipas you were then ;-)04:54
yabbasRight:  python build_ext $(DEBUGFLAGS) -I../libcwiid -L../libcwiid -lcwiid04:55
yabbaswhere the hell does it keep getting the wrong paths to gcc from?04:56
lmourayabbas, Probably you already know that but when using pymaemo in the SDK you must explicitly call python2.5 instead of python04:56
ph|beranyone have the gpg error on the nokia site?04:56
ph|bergpg key CBFC2BECC6903E7204:56
lmourapython defaults to the python provided by scratchbox (python2.3)04:56
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yabbasdidn't know that; tried python2.5 and same issue arose04:57
yabbasit'd be so much easier if I could get python-dev ... I had to kludge the include directories from the python2.4 sources04:57
lmouraany problem with python2.5-dev?04:58
yabbascan't find the package04:58
yabbasknow which repo I need to add?05:00
lmourastrange. Are the repositories right? ( bora (or chinook) free non-free)05:00
lmourathere were some problems in chinook this weekend about corrupted packages05:00
lmouraI don't know if it is working now05:01
yabbasthey show up now!05:02
yabbasmust have been the server issue05:02
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yabbasshould I uninstall python 2.3 and 2.4?05:03
lmourayabbas only 2.405:04
lmourais anyone of them from pymaemo?05:04
yabbas2.4 was :)05:04
* yabbas removes that05:04
yabbasgah, I mean 2.305:05
yabbas2.3 listed a number of dependancies which frightened me05:05
lmourado not remove 2.305:05
lmourawell, do not remove the scratchbox one05:06
* yabbas nods05:06
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pupnik  this might be the best music ever  - Blazin Hazen05:32
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DeLeOnpupnik: it remind me the windows 386 promo video
gmtime to upgrade to 2008 r205:41
gmwell, the non-beta05:42
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pupniknice find DeLeOn05:45
DeLeOni'm glad i was a child in the 80's hahaha... i barely remember stuff like that05:46
MascaHahaha  god.. the 80's... why it's real?05:47
unique311the repo issues fixed yet?05:52
roueanyone know if you can do an NFS mount under OS2008? I tried, and it tries, but the mount fails.05:53
rouethe server log says the authentication failed, but I wasn't doing any authentication.05:53
skiburwhat is this Hacker edition for the n770?05:57
gmos2007 modified to run on the 77005:58
skiburo ok05:58
pupnikok DeLeOn that fried the last synapses06:00
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bvsciguywhat is the current state of the OS servers? are they still down?06:38
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TabletHacker<--- Drops Pin08:25
TabletHackerI wondered if I could hear it fall?08:26
TabletHackerits so quiet in here08:26
TabletHackerAt some point you wonder, if you have to explain the joke, was it really funny?08:27
|RI'm mostly really tired, so everything is funny and not funny at the same time...08:27
VulcanisI'm always that way08:28
Vulcanissleep does not come easy to me.08:28
* |R 's brain is broken from all the n810 discount waiting ;)08:28
TabletHackerI just close my eyes and I am out, anytime, anywhere08:28
VulcanisYes, people like you I envy.08:28
|Rlucky you08:28
TabletHackeris it next week yet. haha08:28
VulcanisI can be in bed at ~9.  And then be trying to sleep for 3 hours.08:28
|Rit was next week...08:28
Vulcanisuntil 3* thats 6 hours08:29
Vulcanisno caffiene.  No-one really knows what the problem is08:29
TabletHacker1:30AM here, its monday08:29
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|Rsame here08:29
TabletHackermaybe thay are waiting to give us n900's instead08:29
|Ri wish i could get wimax service with a wimax tablet... good bye cell phone, land lines, etc etc... :P08:30
TabletHackeri'd be happy with an 810 @ this point08:31
|RI'd be happy with getting shot at this point, waiting without news is horrible :P08:32
TabletHackerthey probably would have sold 500 more already, if they hadnt promised them to us :)08:32
|Rhehe indeed ;)08:32
TabletHackerits like being a kid, and Christmas keeps getting postponed, every time it gets close08:32
TabletHackerits tramatic08:33
|Ryeah, we're all beaten kids at this point...08:33
|Rwe should get rescued somehow ;)08:34
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TabletHackerThe Mighty Quim?08:34
|Rmaybe the nokia christmas party was a bit too heavy on alcohol and they'll wake up next week ;)08:35
TabletHackerwell, I got my 770 in jan 2006, and my n800 in jan 2007, so I guess08:36
|Rhehe, i'm not such a regular yet ;)08:36
TabletHackerthey must figure they are still on schedule08:37
timelyxTabletHacker: he's on vacation08:42
timelyx|r: fwiw, the holiday party was weeks ago08:43
|Rhehe :)08:43
|Rhard liquor indeed then ;)08:43
|Rso... if quim is on vacation, we're screwed until january? :)08:44
TabletHackerAre FINS not known for holding their liquor?08:44
timelyxTabletHacker: google08:44
timelyxand it'd be finns08:45
* timelyx gives that spelling fix for free08:45
TabletHackermaybe we need to send some brits over to level things out08:45
timelyx|r: quim is more of a manager08:45
|RI'd love to go to finland :)08:45
timelyx|r: why?08:45
|Rwhy? why not? :)08:45
* timelyx is fairly unhappy about finland08:45
timelyxfor one, there's no sun08:46
TabletHackerwe need some people over there who can handle their liquor08:46
timelyxfor another, there's no warmth08:46
timelyxand in case you want a white christmas, forget it :)08:46
timelyxyou're better off in the states :)08:46
|Rno snow?08:46
TabletHackerwith brits their, their want be much left for the Finns08:46
|RI'm in Montreal, it's cold, dark, and snowy right now ;)08:46
timelyxsee, that sounds better08:46
|R(well today it was raining, but we got almost a meter of snow in the last weeks)08:47
timelyxyou can enjoy your white christmas08:47
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TabletHackermichigan, cold and dark, and windy as hell08:47
|Rtimelyx : so you're not from finland? :P08:47
timelyxnot yet :)08:47
timelyxi'm here now08:47
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* |R would rather get a tropical winter though ;)08:48
timelyxthat's the spirit08:48
|R(tropical christmas rather...)08:48
timelyxalthough be careful08:48
TabletHackerif I could make money hacking tablets in Hawaii08:48
TabletHackerI'd be gone08:48
timelyxsome people have described the southern hemisphere as detrimental to dark holidays08:48
|RTablets & Bora Bora... :P08:48
* |R is going to go to bed before falling asleep on the keyboard and annoying the hell out of everyone with a long line of kkkkkkkkkkkkkk... ;)08:50
|Rciao :)08:51
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pupnik_ Domo-Kun dancinc to 'Xanadu'08:59
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snakanyone tried to use becomeroot on OS200809:14
snakinstalled it but "becomeroot" aint working :(09:14
snakput it in the terminal and it wasnt found -.-09:15
Vulcanisyou need to enable redpill for some reason to install it09:17
snaki installed it without enabling it09:17
Vulcanisyou have the eko repo, right?09:17
VulcanisYeah, for some reason the one not in redpillmode is messed up09:17
VulcanisI had the same problem09:17
Vulcanisjust redpill and reinstall it from the repo09:18
snakok, ty09:18
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snakredpill on09:22
snakstill not found -.-09:22
Vulcanisstill did not work?09:22
VulcanisOne second09:22
snakam i doing something wrong09:22
snak"becomeroot" in the terminal09:22
Vulcanisah, yeah09:23
VulcanisSudo gainroot09:23
Vulcanisturn off redpill, if you have not already09:23
snak^_^ there we go09:23
snakdoes becomeroot modify the gainroot?09:23
Vulcanisbelieve so09:24
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snaksame as the ssh tutorial?09:24
Vulcanisgainroot requires R&D mode, I think09:24
Vulcanisbecomeroot just overrides that09:24
Vulcanisits certanly helpful09:24
* Vulcanis is very new to all of this, though09:24
VulcanisMy n800 came the 15th09:24
snakmine on 19th09:25
snaki love it to bits =)09:25
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snakok, im trying to execute a binary on my mmc and im getting "permission denied"09:28
VulcanisAre you still in root?09:29
snaki thaught root access would solve that -.-09:29
snakyeah, im root atm09:29
VulcanisIs it plugged into usb?09:29
snakbut it does have a very long filename09:29
Vulcanissee if you can run anything else on the card09:29
Vulcanisdon't think long filenames should matter09:30
snakneed to get something else to put on it -.-09:31
Vulcaniswhat are you trying to run09:31
snakthat =]09:31
snakthough it does say to make a top level dir09:31
snakbut i dont like top level dirs09:32
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GreySimDoes anyone know if a MicroB extension can access dbus or could access dbus with enough work?09:34
GreySimWhich I guess really is really the same question twice. :|09:34
snakany ideas Vulcanis?09:35
VulcanisSnak: was reading the site.  I'm too tired to really think, so no.09:36
snakok, thanks anyway09:36
snakneed to find another binary to try and run09:36
VulcanisI don't think that is the problem09:36
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snaki just took the binaries and stuck it on the mmc09:40
snakso i could test it09:40
snakPermission denied every time09:41
GreySimSorry if I'm not helping, since I don't have full context, but are you trying to run binaries directly on a FAT formatted MMC card? Won't work if it's not on the main system, because you can't set the executable bit.09:41
GreySimI believe.09:41
snakwell, thats enlightening09:42
snakumm, wheres the executable bit xD09:42
GreySimchmod +x09:42
GreySimIf you're in xterm. Otherwise dunno.09:42
GreySimErr, 'chmod +x filename'09:43
GreySimIf that wasn't obvious. ^.^'09:43
snakerrr, what does chmod do?09:43
GreySimChanges permissions of a file. Also read and write permissions, if you were using + or -r or w.09:43
snakah right09:44
snakwhats the command to see permissions of files again?09:44
tontsathe mmc is prolly mounted "noexec"09:44
GreySimls -l filename09:45
GreySimWill give it to you in a weird string of rwxrwxrwx I think.09:45
snakoh yes, theres no x there -.-09:45
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snakwell thats interesting09:46
snakchmod +x filname, and it didnt change the flag to executable09:46
snakdidnt throw an error either09:47
GreySimsnak: Is it on the MMC still? Like I said, either FAT doesn't support that, or there's something about the way it's mounted (that "noexec" bit) that prevents that.09:47
tontsacat /proc/mounts09:47
GreySimIt needs to be on the internal memory.09:48
snakah, ok ^_^09:48
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snakah hah! success09:51
snakthanks all09:51
GreySimYeah, that baffled me too a month or so ago, when I was trying to do Django development on the tablet. Was storing the project on the card, and couldn't get the server to run for some strange reason. :)09:51
Vulcanisgood to know09:53
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snakhow to press the "up" button for last command on Xterm09:57
snakis starting to hurt09:57
snakwith these uber long commands09:57
Vulcanisbluetooth kb = win09:57
Vulcanisthe up button is just up on the dpad09:57
snakthere was a button on OS2007 xterm09:57
snakomg -.-09:58
snakif i have known that09:58
snakso simple -.-09:58
L0cutusalso CTRL+P09:58
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JaffaMorning, all10:58
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madarhello all, is there anyplace else to get maemo mapper?11:21
madarI realize the files are bad on the main repo11:21
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Spakman_madar: have you tried this -
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snakwtf is with OS200811:33
snaki do chmod +x filename11:33
snaknot foun11:34
snakfile manager has it11:34
snakls has it11:34
snakand its "not found"11:34
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gmis it on a mmc?11:38
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MikeLme/ hi11:41
gmgah, the repositories are still screwed11:41
snakwhat buttons caps lock11:43
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snakits magically disappeared11:43
X-Fade_snak: hold shift for 2 secs..11:45
snakah, crafty xD11:45
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snak90% of the time, the problem is the person in front of the screen11:53
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snakanyone tried to get java working?11:55
snakand got errors like java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)11:55
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snakim geussing it cant find the class11:56
snakbut its being dumb, cause im sitting here looking at it11:56
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snakbah - i geuss not, in that case; if i get this working ill write an article on it12:10
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GNUtonsbaturzio: hi!12:54
GNUtonsbaturzio: anzi ciao! :)12:54
maddlersbaturzio: aloha kahua!12:55
sbaturziociao a tutti :-)12:56
sbaturziothere are still trouble on chinook repository?12:57
sbaturzioooops....are there still.... :-)12:57
L0cutusciao sbaturzio e GNUton12:57
GNUtonue L0cutus! :)12:58
GNUtonL0cutus: chan italiano stamattina!:)12:58
maddlerGNUton: partiamo alla conquista? :)12:58
GNUtonmaddler: volentieri..! :)12:59
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yabbashow large are .desktop icons?13:04
sbaturzioon the OS2008, inside the "contacts applet", is there a way to "shrink" the size of every single contacts? just five contacts is not enough13:06
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gmdoes libatk have a package on maemo13:24
timelessask gronmayer (see topic)13:24
gmahh, whoops, got it13:25
gmsearching wrong repository :013:25
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timelessthe cross reference says it's in chinook13:25
gmoh, there's a fix for the issue13:25
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gmwell, temp workaround13:25
timelessit's bad13:25
timelessdon't use it13:25
timelessthanks for playing13:25
gmyeah, i bet it's doing something bad :)13:26
timelessas far as someone described, it should poison your system13:26
timelesssuch that if you ever switch to the normal13:26
timelessyou won't be able to upgrade things you installed from it13:26
gmheh, i've destroyed my repositories already by using the SDK ones on the device :)13:26
* timeless isn't 100% certain about this13:27
timelessbut it seems quite likely13:28
timelessif you want a safe fix, there are safe fixes13:28
gmknow what they were?13:28
timelessinfobot deb13:29
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, deb is unofficial, all warrantees void,
timelessanything like that would be safe13:29
timelessyou can pick any ip address you like, although it's best to use a deb13:29
timelessso when you're done you can uninstall it by using application manager13:29
fnordianslipg'day. I've poisoned my system.  oh well.  just wondering if after i clone from internal to flash again once the real r.m.o is functional, i can tweak the restore from backup to reinstall the apps from the correct repo?13:29
timelessfnordianslip: hrm13:30
timelessdepends how it stores things13:30
timelessbackup uses zip files13:30
gmi did the "" thing13:30
timelessso if you take the zips to your favorite desktop13:30
timelessthen you should be able to do whatever it takes to "fix" the problem13:30
* timeless hasn't looked at a backup of an application list yet13:30
fnordianslipi guess if i edit the restored repo sources before reinstalling, it might be ok wthout having to do anything else.13:31
timelessi'd kinda assume SMCstar was a package?13:32
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L0cutusmy igo bt keyboard is dead :-\13:35
L0cutusbought in oct/2007 :-(13:35
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sxpertgm, no such thing :-)13:42
sxpertL0cutus, changed the batteries13:42
timelessit's hardware, return it, demand a replacement :)13:42
L0cutusgm yes warranty, but, i'm in Italy, i must send to France...13:44
L0cutusi think i'll cost more than new...13:45
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Jaffasee timelyx's warning13:58
hahlodebianutils removed busybox, now it doesn't boot or even shutdown14:04
timelesshahlo: wasn't there a big scary warning saying "don't do this"?14:04
* timeless wonders if the big scary warning wasn't big or scary enough14:04
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gmdid you just remove busybox?14:05
hahloyes there was something14:05
gmyou want to install debian-utils manuall14:05
* timeless decides it clearly was neither big enough nor scary enough14:05
gmand just replace busybox by mv'ing the binaries in14:05
timelessyou mean rm'ing symlinks and then moving them in?14:06
timelessor would mv do the right thing?14:07
hahloos2008 is ke using sid with couple extra repos14:07
* timeless has been bitten by symlinks occasionally of late14:07
hahloeasily baks even in dist-upgrade14:08
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* tontsa takes root away from hahlo14:09
timelessrt? :)14:10
gm  libesd0-dev: Depends: libesd0 (= 0.52-8) but 0.52-14 is installed14:11
gmis there a simple way of shutting up that sort of error/14:11
timeless"simple" yum14:11
* timeless can think of a dozen "evil" ways to "fix" that14:12
hahlois there a way fix tablet now that it doesn't boot?14:13
timelessdpkg --ignore-depends=libesd0 -i libesd0-dev.deb14:13
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timelessthat sounds "simple", i suppose14:13
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hahlocan I flash with poweron cause it doesn't shutdown?14:14
timelessyou can remove the battery14:14
timelessdoes pressing the power key for 5-10s really not kill the device?14:14
timelessyou should try that first :)14:14
hahloI try that alady14:15
gmtimeless: it's making apt-get error on that14:15
timelessapt-get --download-only14:15
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gmapplication managet is broken14:15
gmi might just install the corresponding libesd014:16
hahlobtw why debconf is replaced with fakedebconf?14:16
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gmright, only 6 mangled dependencies to go14:21
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gmhmm, well, if the sdk is supposed to be able to run on these different package versions to develop for the device, i'd assume it'd be safe to replace os2008 packages with these...14:27
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oranginalabHas anyone been able to build microb-eal? I am experiencing dependencies issues and don't know how to solve them14:32
timelessi'm expecting someone to show up shortly asking about building microb14:32
timelessthat'd be the someone14:32
oranginalabhi thats me14:32
timelesshrm, you're working in a scratchbox14:33
timelessis the world outside your scratchbox debian based?14:33
* timeless would like to have a semi common point of reference14:33
oranginalabyes. World outside scratchbox is a Debian system.14:33
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timelesscan you install
timeless(you can install it both inside and outside, but i'm going to assume you prefer browsing from outside)14:34
gmhmm, i think i'm creating a disaster here...14:34
* timeless sighs14:35
* timeless hates proxies14:35
timelessif you do, then we can use short urls like mxr.maemo.org14:36
timelessif not, then we have to use longer urls14:36
oranginalabI have installed it (outside)14:38
oranginalabwhat was that14:38
timelessyou should be able to load
* timeless hopes14:39
oranginalabError 404.14:39
timelessare you using a proxy?14:40
oranginalabDo you want me to install it inside scratchbox14:40
oranginalabI do not14:40
gmjust screwed up libgtk214:41
gmreflashing time :)14:41
timelessgm: gah14:41
timelessorganinalab: erp14:41
timelesstry loading just
timelessif the title is (aka. then it didn't work14:41
timelessin which case you should uninstall the deb and we'll just use longer urls14:42
timelessanyway, here's the first longer url:14:42
oranginalabThe title is repository....14:42
gmknew it would happen :)14:42
timelessok, uninstall the deb14:43
* timeless shrugs14:43
* timeless ponders14:44
timelessoh, i bet i know what's up14:44
timelessthat'd be clever14:44
timelesswell, let's see :)14:44
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timelesshrm, cute14:45
oranginalabI've loaded that Mozilla Cross Reference page but i don't know what I am doing14:45
timelesswe're just reading aroudn14:46
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timelessthe first thing i did was try to figure out who or what provides maemo-browser-eal-dev14:46
oranginalablets read14:46
timelessthere are basically 2 repositories of interest14:47
timelessone is garage (which is what we're looking at there)14:47
timelessit's where you got the source for browser14:47
timelessthe other is chinook14:47
timelesswhich is where the normal dev packages live14:47
timelessanyway, searching chinook showed no such package14:49
timelessotoh eventually does show some14:50
timelessthe one that's most interesting is ironically in the same file14:50
timeless    *14:50
timeless    * line 5 -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), browser-eal-dev (>= 0.0.1) | maemo-browser-eal-dev (>= 1.5.0), microb-engine-dev (>= 0.0.1-1), libgtk2.0-dev, osso-ic-dev, libhildon1-dev | hildon-libs-dev, libosso-gnomevfs2-dev, libssl-dev, libgtkmozembed-dev, libconic0-dev | osso-ic-dev, libdbus-1-dev | dbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev | dbus-glib-1-dev, libcst-dev14:50
timeless    * line 8 -- Package: microb-eal-dev14:50
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timelessa bit of useless history, which is unfortunately relevant14:50
timelessbefore microb was released, its internal name was maemo-browser14:50
timelessbut the lawyers and managers determined that it couldn't keep the name maemo14:51
timelessso a new name was chosen (microb)14:51
timelessin most cases, it was a global replace (maemo-browser => microb)14:51
timelessbut, it seems that in this Build-Depends line, the replace didn't happen :o14:51
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timelesssince the control file specifies a package microb-eal-dev, it seems likely that the build-depend was supposed to be on that14:52
timelessthe reason it builds for everyone else, should be apparent too from the search results14:52
timelesseveryone else has browser-eal-dev14:52
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timelessanyway, try changing maemo-browser to microb, and then rebuilding :)14:52
timelessif that works, file a bug in browser/microb and attach an svn diff for the change14:53
timelesspeople here can help w/ all those steps14:53
* timeless chuckles14:54
oranginalabI am going to try it and come back to tell you it worked.14:54
timelessbtw, there's no reason to leave the channel, it won't hurt you to stay :)14:54
* timeless sighs and kicks osso-xterm14:55
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oranginalabHi, again15:03
oranginalabThat didn't work15:03
timelessdid you at least get a different error?15:03
oranginalabthe microb-eal-dev dependence error is still there (now with a different name)15:03
timelesswhat command are you using to build now?15:04
timelessyou'll need to build microb-eal-dev first...15:04
oranginalabfakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc15:05
* timeless grumbles15:06
* timeless hates dpkg15:06
timelessanyone here want to be my hero?15:06
timelessi'm sure i've earned a hero15:06
oranginalab ?15:06
timelessthat's not to you :)15:07
gmheh, i hate dpkg too15:07
oranginalablet me know the best way to build packages, then15:07
timelessthe best way is not to start :)15:08
oranginalabI am getting lost, how do i get microb-eal-dev source code15:10
oranginalaband how i build it without dpkg15:11
timelessmicrob-eal-dev is part of the same pacakge as the thing you're in15:11
* timeless doesn't understand what dpkg-buildpackage is thinking15:11
timelessok, well, try this15:11
timelessok, just temporarily try removing the dependency entirely:15:13
timelessoh boy, my web browser was really helpful :(15:14
timelessbuild-depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), microb-engine-dev (>= 0.0.1-1), libgtk2.0-dev, osso-ic-dev, libhildon1-dev | hildon-libs-dev, libosso-gnomevfs2-dev, libssl-dev, libgtkmozembed-dev, libconic0-dev | osso-ic-dev, libdbus-1-dev | dbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev | dbus-glib-1-dev, libcst-dev15:14
* timeless sighs15:14
* timeless used to be able to use url bars as pastebins15:14
timelessnow they do random other things15:14
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oranginalabYou want me to try to build it just skipping dependencies?15:16
oranginalabI can try dpkg-buildpackage -d15:16
oranginalabIt was just microb-eal-dev that you want me to remove. I am going to try15:18
timelessyeah, it's microb-eal-dev and the | part15:19
oranginalabOk. We have skipped microb-eal-dev. Now there are only two issues remaining15:21
oranginalabosso-ic-dev and libgtkmozembed-dev15:21
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oranginalabI tried to build libgtkmozembed and after solving dependencies (microb-engine-dev, bc, quilt) I got a compilation error15:26
oranginalabExcuse me, I am not used to IRC tools15:29
timelesspaste the build error there15:29
timelessthen paste the url it gives you here15:30
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timelessi'm not expecting you to be familiar w/ irc tools15:30
timelessso far, you've actually made many fewer gaffs than most people :)15:30
timelessif you want more information about irc, you can visit http://irchelp.org15:30
* timeless sighs15:33
timelesswhat part of maemo-developers means "Rant about nokia hardware design" :(15:33
oranginalabI have pasted the libgtkmozembed building error15:34
timelessyou'll need to copy the url from the browser to this window15:34
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timelessso you're building libgtkmozembed15:35
timelessbut you don't have microb-dev (or something like it) installed15:35
timelessyou're going to need to somehow get microb-engine-dev15:36
timelessone way is to build it (from svn)15:36
oranginalabI have installed with just a apt-get install15:36
timelessjust now?15:37
oranginalabNot now15:37
* timeless frowns15:37
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oranginalabI tried to build libgtkmozembed hoping it will provide me with some libgtkmozembed-dev package needed to build microb-eal15:39
oranginalabbut i failed.15:39
* timeless wonders which thing adds this15:40
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timelessyou have all the sources for microb, including microb-engine, right?15:41
timelessyou could use xpidl to create nsIXPIProgressDialog.h15:41
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oranginalabI downloaded all sources from microb, engine included15:44
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oranginalaboops!! IRC client crashed15:46
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oranginalabI have no idea on how to do what you suggested15:47
oranginalaband now I can even remember what it was15:47
timelessfwiw, one of the urls in the topic is to a channel log15:47
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timelessok, you'll want to cd trunk/microb-engine15:49
timelessif you want to try to skip building gecko, you'd probably do this:15:49
timelesssh -x ./build_non_deb.sh15:49
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timelesscd scratch_build/build-tree/mozilla15:49
timelessxpidl --help15:50
timelessthe file you want to feed xpidl is: /xpinstall/public/nsIXPIProgressDialog.idl15:50
timelessthe output format you want is header15:50
timelessso, something like:15:50
oranginalabwait, please15:50
oranginalabi have no scratch_build directory15:51
timelessxpidl -m header -I ... -o /tmp/nsIXPIProgressDialog.h xpinstall/public/nsIXPIProgressDialog.idl15:51
timelessif you used sh -x ./ you'd get one:15:52
timelessif you don't want to skip building microb15:52
timelessyou can just do the two fakeroot commands15:52
timelessheh, well, um, you'd need to do what it says :)15:52
timelessalthough, it's kinda missing a "fakeroot" token :)15:52
timelessbut, it's not really designed for people in scratchboxes, so, that's forgivable :)15:53
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oranginalabNow it's taking its time to build15:56
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oranginalabNext time i will read output15:57
timelessa good lesson to learn :)15:57
* alterego installs scratchbox in a nice new KVM ..15:59
oranginalabthis way i will avoid blusing this way16:00
timelessit's ok, we're all new at least once16:02
timelessi tend to be new daily16:02
timelessevery day is a new chance for me to make dozens of mistakes16:02
oranginalabjust dozens? May be my days are longer :)16:04
derfIf you aren't floundering around helplessly, you aren't learning anything.16:05
derfI would like to learn why dpkg-buildpackage is suddenly no longer in my path in scratchbox.16:06
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oranginalabNow I have a scratch_build/build-tree/mozilla directory16:08
oranginalabBut no xpidl command16:09
timelessoranginalab: it's dark outside16:09
timelessand has been for a few hours16:09
timelessi think there's around 5hours of daylight16:09
timelessand that's theoretical daylight16:09
timelessso yeah, i'm fairly sure your days are longer :)16:09
timelessorganinalab: um... one of the packages theoretically had xpidl16:10
timelessi know because i checked16:10
timelesstry: /usr/lib/microb-engine/xpidl16:10
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oranginalabhere it is16:11
* timeless wonders how /usr/include works in debian16:11
timelessis it one giant mess?16:11
oranginalabcan't tell you. It's not only maemo that i am newbie on...16:12
timelessas a temporary place for that .h file, stick it next to EmbedDownloadMgr.cpp16:13
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timelessoh, you'll probably need to add some -Is16:15
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timelesse.g. -I /usr/share/idl/microb-engine16:15
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timelessare you currently stuck somewhere?16:21
timelessit's past 4pm, and i'd like to see if i can find lunch16:21
timelessbefore christmas even makes that impossible16:21
oranginalabExcuse me16:21
oranginalabI have executed the xpidl command and was trying to understand what happened16:22
oranginalabif something happened16:22
oranginalabplease, Just tell what were we trying to achieve with that command and i'll do some googling16:23
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oranginalabHave a Merry Christmas and forgive me for stucking you here.16:25
L0cutussomeone know/use this keyboard with n8x0 ?
timelessthe goal was to create the .h file that was missing from
timelessthe -o thing would have specified where that file went16:26
timelesstemporarily, the file probably should be /home/sigfried/apt-sources/microb/libgtkembedmoz/src/nsIXPIProgressDialog.h16:27
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oranginalabI've found it16:30
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* timeless sighs16:36
timeless   8 Package: cellphonetool16:37
timeless  12 Description: it contains an application & icon.16:37
timelessnice description16:37
oranginalabstrangely it is called nsIXPIProgressDialogn.h.h16:38
oranginalabI have placed in the same directory as EmbedDownloadMgr.cpp16:38
timelessoranginalab: fix it, that was my fault16:38
timelessi don't call xpidl manually that often16:38
* timeless relies on a build system which does the work16:38
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timelessit needs to be called nsIXPIProgressDialogn.h16:39
timelessanyway, w/ that in place, go back and see if the libgtkmozembed package builds16:39
oranginalabOk. I have renamed it and I am trying to compile it.16:41
|tbb|How can i type lower case for the first character of a new sentence? Shift+character doesn't do the job16:41
oranginalabIt is going to take a while.16:42
oranginalabWe both should go for something to lunch.16:42
oranginalabI'll place my desktop under the tree and may be tomorrow I got a brand new libgtkmozembed library16:43
oranginalabMerry Christmas, I'll keep you informed (if you don't mind)16:45
timelessi don't mind being informed, but i don't celebrate, i just starve16:45
|tbb|Anyone got an isea?16:45
timelesswhich keyboard?16:46
|tbb|Hardware 81016:46
timelessdoes shift;x not do what you want?16:46
timelessthis is in notes?16:47
timeless(notes is a nice sample app)16:47
|tbb|Its in pidgin right now16:47
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derfSo why is dpkg-architecture returning arm instead of armel on my maemo3.2 target now?16:48
timelessoranginalab: oh16:50
timelessone note16:50
timelessclearly says to include '-d' in the dpkg-buildpackage args16:50
timelesswhich is probably how everyone else ignores the builddeps issue16:50
|tbb|I have to disable do uppercase for new sentences in controlpanel i think.16:53
* timeless frowns16:53
timelessi'm pretty sure pressing shift once should work temporarily16:53
|tbb|Not in pidgin  trust me16:54
timelessdid you try notes?16:54
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|tbb|Is there something like switching open apps, like alt+tab (not the home button)16:55
derfAha, the answer was I really wanted the debian-lenny devkit, not debian-sarge.16:55
|tbb|Timless notes also16:55
oranginalabI tried days ago to buiild microb-engine with -d flag and it failed16:55
oranginalabI can try to build microb-eal skipping builddeps but I don't think is going to work16:56
timelessorganinalab: -d is to skip them because you've somehow satisfied them16:58
timelessit's not about actually not needing them :)16:58
derfExcept, of course, that didn't work, either.16:58
timelessderf: task switching is done w/ task navigator or the home hardware key16:59
timelessare you thinking about a bluetooth keyboard?16:59
timelessbecause the default keyboard doesn't have anything like alt16:59
timelessor f1..f1216:59
timelessfrom memory, some of the f keys are mapped to emulate the hardware buttons17:00
timelessof course, that's remapable w/ the bluetooth control panel applet17:00
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oranginalabSanta is not going to bring me a libgtkmozembed library17:02
oranginalabJust the same error17:02
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|tbb|Timeless: any other  idea? Is there a shortcut wiki for the hardware keyboard? Like app to fullscreen mode from keyboard not hitting special keys on another location17:10
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timelessthe shortcuts on the hardware keyboard are very basic17:15
oranginalabI've tried to build microb-eal skipping builddeps with -d flag but it failed. So I'd rather concentrate on building libgtkmozembed first.17:15
pupnik_timeless: are you like the main dude working on microb?17:17
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timelessfor some very strange defintion17:17
timelessi don't usually build17:17
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timelessand the people here have access to the alternate depends17:17
timelesswhich means all sorts of bad things happen17:17
timelessthe maemo-browser depend here being one of them17:18
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timelessromaxa is the main engineer i suppose17:19
oranginalabIt's just me who have this problems to build microb?17:19
timelesseach person seems to have a slightly different set of problems17:20
timelessbut please file a bug about maemo-browser17:20
timelessthat's just a bug17:20
oranginalabI mean if you know if other people is building the browser without problems17:20
timelesswell, the people here have what's essentially a different build environment17:21
timelessand the people in mozilla land have different goals17:21
timelessgiven that doublec only filed one bug for build problems, i'd assume what he did was sufficient to get things to work17:22
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alteregoI'm gonna try and build it in a while.17:25
alteregoIs everyone after gtkmozembed?17:25
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* timeless has no idea why17:26
timelessorganinalab: out of curiosity, why do you want to build it?17:26
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Gemtechseasons greeting i have a question about my new n800 and xmame17:27
|tbb|A2dp with nx00 is a way 2 go, ;(17:27
oranginalabalterego: Please, let me know if you achieve it17:27
pupnikgreets Gemtech17:27
timelessoranginalab: i hope this channel hasn't proved too scary17:27
alteregoIt wont be for an hour or so. I need to install the SDK ;)17:27
timelesssorry i wasn't of more assistance17:27
oranginalabtimeless: I want to rebuild it because i need to remove the tap & hold event17:27
pupnikgentech, the answer is some roms require a particular version of xmame to run them17:27
Gemtechim getting unable to load rom...Im sure you heard this problem over and over again17:28
Gemtechold school game donkey kong17:28
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alteregosudo apt-get install sudo? That's not gonna work :D17:29
oranginalabI first modified GTK but only to discover that microb does not deal with GTk like the rest of apps17:29
Gemtechi have old arcade roms17:29
oranginalabtimeless: I thank you very much for your effort and you patiente.17:29
timelessoraninalab: yeah, i remember that discussion in maemo-devel17:30
* timeless sighs17:30
* timeless will be so glad to be able to stop thinking about libgtkmozembed17:30
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Gemtechwhat version of xmame should i try? thanks for helping17:31
oranginalabDisgracefully, oranginlab can not stop thinking about libgtmozembed until somehow the tap&hold event vanishes17:31
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oranginalabalterego: I have to leave now but I would really thank you if you write me a line to tell me if you succeeded in building libgtkmozembed (and specially microb-eal package)17:35
timelessoranginalab: keep in mind that the channel log is indexed by google17:36
timelessbut so far, i don't think alterego knows your email address17:36
oranginalabhow do people share their e-mail through IRC?17:36
macluvjayregister your nick with nickserv?17:37
timelessmacluvjay: a url explaining that would be helpful17:37
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macluvjay /win 117:38
macluvjay /msg nickserv help17:38
macluvjayfor a start17:38
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oranginalabthank you17:40
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Gemtechok so i have the original  xmame. I launched from terminal xmame frooger and it says missing files what gives?17:51
oranginalabalterego: I have registered my nick. Can you see my e-mail or may be I need to relog17:51
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astro76Gemtech, you need a romset appropriate for mame 0.5818:02
alteregoEmail? What email?18:04
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pupnikN810 owner?  Post your SD card read/write speeds here
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Gemtechwhat version of xmame is anyone is using and what romset?18:18
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oranginalabalterego: I was trying to share my email with you because I would thank you if you tell me wether you succeed or not building libgtkmozembed (and microb-eal package)18:26
alteregooranginalab, pm it to me :)18:27
oranginalabI'm new at IRC. What do you mean by pm18:28
alteregoprivate message.18:28
alteregotype: /msg alterego blah blah18:29
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alteregoAnyhow, I've almost finished installing the SDK, so it shouldn't be much longer :)18:29
oranginalabThen I will wait a while18:30
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alteregoHmm, can't check out the fuggin' sources.18:46
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oranginalabWhere are you trying to get microb sources18:48
alteregoworking now.18:48
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kala_the scummvm on maemo cannot use virtual keyboard and you cannot do 'save-game in some games. anybody know the workaround?19:11
alteregoThere's a work around?19:13
kala_I hope so :)19:13
alteregoYou presume so :P19:13
kala_mother of all fuckups19:13
kala_somebody have said19:13
pupnikITOS keyboard doesn't work with sdl games.  You need to use
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pupnikunless scummvm has builtin keyboard somewhere19:15
kala_ok, I'll try that19:15
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truentalterego, hey the other day i asked if ruby-maemo was broken.. is it?19:19
truentis it just not revamped for chinook or what19:19
truentso its good to go?19:19
alteregoyou said you couldn't require conic. You're doing something wrong.19:19
kala_or the bluetooth hardware keyboard. but usually, when you try to save the game, you don't have the keyboard on you19:19
truentdamn i left it in the car19:19
truentalterego, you can?19:19
truentwhich version did you install of all that for os2008?19:20
alteregoOf course19:20
truenti tried os2008 ver on your site didnt work if i remember right19:20
alteregoSo you didn't see the install file?19:21
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truentactually i think that is how i installed it19:22
truentthe second time..19:22
truentfirst time i tried os2008 no workee.. then i tried os2007 and it installed..19:22
truentthen i decided to try your .install.. so i removed the old .. .install'd and that worked19:22
alteregoThen you're doing something _very_ wrong ..19:22
truentlol i left it in the car so i cant check19:23
alteregoThe install file installs the latest version.19:23
alteregoWhich does have a couple of bugs in it which I'm fixing. One is to do with conic but it wont stop it being required.19:23
truentmind you i tried it in irb19:23
truentnot normal ruby19:23
alteregoThat's how I tried it.19:24
truentokie welp i'll try again19:24
truentloved ruby on os200719:24
truentall three of us that use it19:24
truentthanks for your work for sure ;)19:24
alteregoThree of you? :)19:24
truenti mean like there doesnt seem to be much demand for ruby19:25
truentplenty of python guys19:25
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truentand you're still workin on it.. i applaud you ;p19:25
alteregoThere are more ruby maemo users than you think ;)19:26
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Jonalright ladies/gents. Is the source of "sketch" on the Internet tablets part of the dev platform, or available elsewhere at all?19:26
alteregoI know of at least 15 people.19:26
truentgood stuff19:26
Jonoh bugger there's the door19:26
truentalterego, any chance we can get a compile of rubygems?19:27
truentwhat happened19:27
alteregorubygems doesn't run well, _very_ slow.19:27
truentos2008 or in general?19:27
truenti had some metasploit dude's compile of it for os2007.. so you could install/run metasploit's web interface19:28
alteregoIn general.19:28
truentthat was super slow19:28
alteregoIt doesn't work well enough to bother with. But you should be able to install it yourself from the rubygems site quite easily.19:28
truentany progress on ruby-dbus?19:29
alteregoThat's my first priority right now.19:30
alteregoGetting it to work with a glibc event loop.19:30
truentso one wouldnt need something like dbus-scripts19:31
truentyou could do it all in ruby right?19:31
truentthats awesome19:31
alteregoOtherwise I'm gonna have to write a new dbus bindings :S19:31
truentwell my c is a lil rusty otherwise i'd try and help19:32
truentand my ruby isnt even that good ;p19:32
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truentactually i guess ruby im ok..19:33
truentrails still makes me think some time19:33
alteregoPractice makes perfect.19:33
truentindeed.. i learned alot making a lil script for the n800 to connect to my blackjack phone19:33
truenti wanna get deeper though,.. not just a bunch of system calls to dbus-send19:34
truenti need something like what you're doing.. cuz i just wanna eventually be choosing a connection in the manager19:34
truentgrab the signal.. and move from there.. turning everything on that needs to be19:35
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truentwhat i need to work on is the maemo part.. all the gui api stuff.. havent got into that at all yet19:35
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alteregotruent, That unfortunately is ruby-maemo's strongest point :)19:44
alteregoThe Hildon Bindings are the best part. Well, that and OSSO. OSSO does have some okay dbus support. So you might be able to do your dbus stuff through there.19:44
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alteregoBetter than wrapping calls to the dbus-send executable.19:44
alteregoWow, the maemo repository is really broken pretty badly >:(19:45
truentalterego, oh yeah.. i havent been touching ruby-maemo yet.. its just ruby on the n800 for me so far19:47
truentbut i wanna get into it soon19:47
alteregoIt's pretty fun.19:48
alteregoAnd it's gonna keep getting better :)19:48
oranginalabalterego: I have to leave now. Would you be so kind to e-mail me if you succeed in building libgtkmozembed / microb-eal libraries?19:50
truentwell once i learn, i'm gonna write your documentation ;p19:50
alteregooranginalab, it's building now.19:50
alteregotruent, it'd be appreciated ;)19:50
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alteregooranginalab, if I'm successfull, I'll publish my method ;)19:53
alteregoSo far it's compiling okay.19:56
alteregoThis'll be handy, I can get ruby gtkmozembed working finally :)19:57
alteregoAnd maybe do some playing with xul ..19:58
oranginalabyou are now compiling libgtkmozembed. Will you try to also build microb-eal?19:58
alteregoI'm compiling the engine now.19:59
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alteregoI'll compile it all.19:59
alteregoThough, probably not i10l ..20:00
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FMZAre any of the Canola2 guys in?20:05
truentalterego, how are you compiling these things.. in a chinook scratchbox?20:06
truenti finally got mine to install yesterday20:07
truentall those repo probs20:07
alteregoYes, there are a few aren't there ..20:08
truentseems so20:08
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oranginalabI've tried to build microb-engine again20:20
oranginalabbut it failed20:20
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oranginalabalterego: Did you finally succeed in building microb-engine?20:37
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alteregooranginalab, no, it appears my scratchbox install is _very_ broken. The maemo repos are seriously screwed so I'm attempting to fix it all :)20:57
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trinketHas anyone had trouble getting Adblock plus working? I'm not seeing the icon in the lower right corner.21:01
oranginalabalterego: What a shame!21:01
oranginalabHope you can fix it21:01
oranginalabPlease let me know if you succeed21:02
oranginalabMerry Christmas21:02
liiahow to test whether the n810 gps works or not?21:05
liiathat settings > control panel gps thingy should be able to get some coordinates?21:05
liiahow long should it take?21:06
liiaoutdoors naturally21:06
alteregoMaximum 5 minutes.21:06
alteregoFor a cold start.21:06
liiaok, didn't wait quite that long21:06
liiait was freezing outside :)21:06
alteregoLeave it out there ;)21:06
alteregoAs long as it's not raining ^_^21:06
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liianot so easy if you don't have your own yard :)21:08
alteregoMeh, leave it on a window sill for five odd minutes then.21:10
alteregoI don't know for sure, but the configuration thing you were talking about should tell you how many sats it sees. You need 3 for a 2D lock and 4 for a 3D lock.21:11
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yabbasmerry christmas eve :)21:13
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GNUroMerry Christmas to you all21:14
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alteregoThis is bad.21:17
alteregoI don't think I can install the SDK properly :21:17
yabbaswhy not?21:17
alteregoThe repository is really broken :/21:18
liiaalterego: yay, now it's working. inside, next to a window. just had to wait long enough. thanks21:18
alteregoliia, no problem :)21:18
yabbasalterego, know how that feels :(21:18
alteregoMaybe I could get them manually :/21:19
|tbb|Trinket: same here with addblock21:21
alteregoKind of a crappy time for them to be broken. Now I lose out on all the Christmas hacking I could be doing :(21:21
yabbashmmm, do links on the application menu run in user privs, or can they be elevated to root privs?21:22
alteregoYou can setuid the executable. But be careful of that.21:22
yabbaswell - I want to create an insmod link on the menu21:23
alteregoIf it's something that simple. Add an item to sudoers.21:23
yabbasall this user privs stuff in linux is new to me - got a link to something I ought to read please? :)21:24 ? :P21:24
alteregoYou're looking for /etc/sudoers.21:24
alteregoThe command is called 'sudo' so googling for those would be good.21:24
yabbasdoesn't that specify user rights added to sudoers?  :P  not commandline apps?21:25
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alteregoI wouldn't have suggested it if it wasn't appropriate yabbas.21:25
yabbasso, elevate user privs to sudoers - menu item = sudo insmod insteas21:26
* yabbas sighs and googles.21:26
alteregoAdd an item to sudoers that allows the user 'user' to execute `modprobe module_name`.21:27
|tbb|Where can i see if addblock works?21:27
alteregoThen you're script, program, whatever can run that.21:27
alteregoyabbas, you're specifically looking for adding a rule that doesn't require a password ;)21:28
alteregoYou could probably guess how to do it by just looking at the file yourself ;)21:28
yabbasalterego, I see it, cheers :)21:28
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alteregoI think I'm just going to give up and wait for them to fix it.21:29
alteregoThere's a possibility I could copy over my scratchbox installation from my laptops hard drive.21:29
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skiburBAH! HUMBUG!21:33
skiburWhen was the last time you've heard that?21:33
celestehthis morning, but i live with grumpy people21:33
skiburNow thats... BAH! HUMBUG!21:34
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kbsinghhey guys, have a good holiday season.. make much noise21:47
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|tbb|Is there a vncserver for os2008 available?22:09
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legindany vnc server available for chinook yet?22:39
kbsinghvncserver ?22:40
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tontsathere's client.. why would you want vncserver22:40
tontsause X forwarding :)22:40
Andy80hi all22:41
kbsinghnxclient would be nice22:42
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kbsinghbtw, claws-mail on n810 is really good.22:42
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guardianah great23:03
guardiani was installing chinook sdk23:03
guardianin the middle of maintenance :(23:03
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liiahow to get that virtual keyboard in xterm? it had something to do with tapping the cursor but that does not seem to work now23:11
tontsayou need to enable the tap keyboard in all apps to get it23:12
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liiaah, my co-nerd enabled that one to the previous flash, had no idea such setting existed :)23:16
liiashared toys not working ;)23:16
aloisiojrhi all any idea when the extras repo will be available again ?23:28
* aloisiojr wish marry Xmas to everyone23:28
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yabbasright ...  for .desktop entries - where would you store the icon?  /usr/share/pixmaps/ or usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/ ?23:46
yabbasif in icons/hicolor - should I provide icons for all other resolutions?  26x26, 32x32, 64x64, etc - or does hildon automagically resize them when needed?23:47
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skiburok I'm back23:56
skiburso has OS2009 come out? :P23:57
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JitenI think OS2009 is due next year.23:57

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