| mk8 | sorrry for my stupid question, I just update my n800 to os2008 and try to install a calendar application but now I not able to find it | 00:00 |
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| kpel | mk8: join the club :) same here. | 00:00 |
| mk8 | on os2007 I used gep-calendar | 00:00 |
| timelyx | kpel / mk8: do you use gronmeyer? | 00:00 |
| mk8 | :( | 00:01 |
| kpel | nop | 00:01 |
| mk8 | I not know it | 00:01 |
| kpel | just a plain os2008 image | 00:01 |
| kpel | the released one | 00:01 |
| kpel | there are about 10 apps in the apps list currently. | 00:02 |
| kpel | mk8: yeah, the calendar was cool. and the weather applet as well | 00:02 |
| timelyx | see url in topic | 00:02 |
| timelyx | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 | 00:02 |
| * timelyx sighs | 00:02 | |
| * timelyx can't spell | 00:03 | |
| timelyx | (that's what web browsers are for) | 00:03 |
| kpel | ah, so that's what that cryptic url is for. i'll have a look, thanks. | 00:03 |
| timelyx | anyway, between r.m.o/ and r.m.o/extras you should be able to get most of what you want - but using gronmayer is the way to go | 00:04 |
| kpel | i wish nokia had the presence of mind to add a bookmark of that site in the os2008 image | 00:05 |
| kpel | it can't be that difficult | 00:05 |
| p| | mk8, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13721 | 00:06 |
| mk8 | p|: I lookithis link now | 00:07 |
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| kpel | os2008 uses chinook instead of bora? | 00:11 |
| timelyx | yes | 00:11 |
| kpel | ok thanks | 00:11 |
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| kpel | when i try to install the maemo-mapper i get "installation file corrupted"... i guess this has to do with the repository glitch | 00:12 |
| kpel | oh well, it's just teething problems | 00:13 |
| timelyx | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 00:13 |
| infobot | [repository.maemo.org deb] unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 00:13 |
| timelyx | kpel: you're welcome to try that | 00:13 |
| p| | does exists fdisk/cfsdisk form chinook ? | 00:13 |
| p| | cfdisk* | 00:13 |
| mk8 | p|: thanks | 00:14 |
| p| | for* | 00:14 |
| kpel | timeless: thanks | 00:14 |
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| timelyx | http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/find?string=fdisk | 00:16 |
| timelyx | /util-linux-2.12p/fdisk/sfdisk.c | 00:16 |
| timelyx | infobot mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 00:16 |
| infobot | i already had it that way, timelyx | 00:16 |
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| timelyx | infobot mxr.maemo.org deb is a cross reference, specifically a subset for maemo based on http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/ | 00:17 |
| infobot | ...but mxr.maemo.org deb is already something else... | 00:17 |
| timelyx | infobot mxr.maemo.org is a cross reference, specifically a subset for maemo based on http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/ | 00:17 |
| infobot | okay, timelyx | 00:17 |
| kpel | timelyx: worked like a charm. I owe you a beer :) | 00:17 |
| timelyx | util-linux is in the main chinook repository according to gronmayer | 00:17 |
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| sp3000 | the server in 2608 is funny | 00:24 |
| sp3000 | depending on the "mime" param, it'll give you two random content-type headers | 00:24 |
| timelyx | sp3000: http://http://? | 00:25 |
| sp3000 | ? | 00:25 |
| timelyx | the validator link you left in 2608 | 00:25 |
| sp3000 | o_O | 00:26 |
| sp3000 | I think I want to blame trunk's urlbar | 00:26 |
| sp3000 | it does random things | 00:26 |
| sp3000 | as we've discovered :\ | 00:27 |
| timelyx | no kidding | 00:27 |
| vbraun | Does n800+pan bluetooth -> PC -> internet work for anyone? My linux PC's pand never starts pppd and hcidump output says the n800 disconnects. | 00:27 |
| timelyx | http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cyberpresse.ca%2Fapps%2Fpbcs.dll%2Fsection%3FCategory%3DCPRSS%26profile%3D1019%26mime%3Dxml%26cacheid%3D1019 | 00:27 |
| timelyx | you can use that link, it came from camino | 00:27 |
| timelyx | i trust it :) | 00:27 |
| vbraun | I mean, dund | 00:28 |
| timelyx | sp3000: personally, i think the bookmark importer wins for cleverness | 00:28 |
| sp3000 | thanks | 00:28 |
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| vbraun | What i meant to say: Does n800+dun bluetooth -> PC -> internet work for anyone? My linux PC's dund never starts pppd ... | 00:29 |
| * sp3000 grumbles | 00:30 | |
| * sp3000 goes impersonate an odd server | 00:30 | |
| timelyx | even over the flaky rss feed you found | 00:30 |
| timelyx | vbraun: i've never tried | 00:30 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: stupid question | 00:36 |
| timelyx | is 4.0 equivalent to chinook | 00:36 |
| timelyx | as repositories go? | 00:36 |
| sp3000 | probably... | 00:40 |
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| |tbb1 | fix repository should stay on topic: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13721 | 01:16 |
| timelyx | that's a fairly dangerous change | 01:19 |
| timelyx | does anyone actually understand the ramifications? | 01:19 |
| ||cw | of what? their being a typo in the dns? | 01:22 |
| |tbb1 | jaffa: r u around | 01:24 |
| timelyx | ||cw: atm *.maemo.org maps to stage.maemo.org | 01:25 |
| timelyx | which is the backing store for repository.maemo.org | 01:25 |
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| timelyx | however, i don't understand how application manager manages "install domains" | 01:25 |
| timelyx | is it by repository "name" or by repository "path"? | 01:25 |
| timelyx | if it's by repository path, then this change means you'd have an awful time dealing w/ upgrades | 01:26 |
| timelyx | because of repository pinning | 01:26 |
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| timelyx | and if it's by name, then the feature's at least partly broken | 01:26 |
| ||cw | it's by package version | 01:26 |
| timelyx | no | 01:26 |
| timelyx | it pins by provider | 01:26 |
| timelyx | if X provides x and you install x | 01:26 |
| ||cw | oh, yeah the pinning | 01:26 |
| timelyx | then you can't upgrade to x from Y | 01:27 |
| timelyx | the question is what defines X/Y | 01:27 |
| timelyx | and i don't know the answer | 01:27 |
| ||cw | pinning is by URI | 01:27 |
| timelyx | so changing the dns name will cause hell | 01:27 |
| timelyx | good | 01:27 |
| timelyx | i do know that changing the ip address behind X can not cause any problems | 01:27 |
| timelyx | because that's what the mirrors do | 01:27 |
| ||cw | well, for the few that pinning actually matters, | 01:27 |
| timelyx | i think too many people read itt | 01:28 |
| timelyx | including people for whom pinning was designed | 01:28 |
| timelyx | if it was designed for anyone | 01:28 |
| ||cw | hm, os2006 has no pinning | 01:28 |
| ||cw | so no issue there | 01:29 |
| timelyx | it's a 2008 feature | 01:29 |
| ||cw | k | 01:29 |
| * |tbb1 disappointed about the colors of the lcd on the n810 | 01:31 | |
| timelyx | ? | 01:31 |
| |tbb1 | the screen looks much better on n800 (only in sunlight the n810 wins) | 01:32 |
| sp3000 | then you need to spend more time in the blue room :) | 01:33 |
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| ||cw | but the day orb! it burns! | 01:34 |
| DeLeOn | any news about the discount codes? | 01:34 |
| |tbb1 | its really sad, if you run both devices at same time, and comparing the screen | 01:34 |
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| timelyx | DeLeOn: most people are on vacation | 01:41 |
| timelyx | don't expect news before new years | 01:41 |
| timelyx | and most likely bloggers will talk first | 01:41 |
| * sp3000 can't figure out what 2608 barfs on | 01:41 | |
| timelyx | people keep telling me that code is open | 01:43 |
| timelyx | but i keep forgetting to try to push that | 01:44 |
| timelyx | wanna bug me today in say... 9 hours? | 01:44 |
| sp3000 | pushing what where now? | 01:44 |
| timelyx | well, i'm sure there are a couple of xrefs that can be copied to mxr.maemo.org :) | 01:45 |
| steri | |tbb|: OMFG! thank a LOT | 01:46 |
| steri | or |tbb1 :) | 01:46 |
| skibur | anybody have an invisible shield on there N800? | 01:48 |
| timelyx | is that like a heat shield? | 01:48 |
| skibur | ah no | 01:49 |
| skibur | :P | 01:49 |
| steri | on the display? | 01:49 |
| skibur | yeah | 01:49 |
| steri | it's just protective sheet | 01:49 |
| skibur | to protect the screen | 01:49 |
| steri | just took it away | 01:49 |
| skibur | http://www.shieldzone.com/item_description/NOKN800.html | 01:50 |
| skibur | http://www.shieldzone.com/movie/index.html <--- Video got me wondering if its good. :P | 01:51 |
| sp3000 | "protect the leading edges of military helicopter blades"? ok :) | 01:51 |
| sp3000 | not where I'd keep my tablet, but ymmv | 01:51 |
| timelyx | heh | 01:51 |
| timelyx | well.. as long as you don't take it out in the rain | 01:51 |
| timelyx | and keep it at temperatures w/in the operating limits | 01:52 |
| timelyx | i don't remember any notes in the user guide prohibiting high speed rotation | 01:52 |
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| astro76 | skibur, the invisible shield is too thick and rubbery for touch screens, the boxwave is much better | 01:52 |
| skibur | I c | 01:52 |
| skibur | boxwave | 01:53 |
| astro76 | you also need a ton of liquid to apply the invisible shield | 01:53 |
| astro76 | http://www.boxwave.com/products/easyfinder/buy-best-nokia-n800-accessories_2569.htm | 01:53 |
| skibur | link? | 01:53 |
| skibur | o k thanks lol | 01:54 |
| astro76 | I have the crystal but a few others in here have me wishing I got the anti-glare | 01:54 |
| jeff1f | Martin Fields is really good too | 01:54 |
| astro76 | will get it eventually | 01:54 |
| astro76 | also for outside the US, this looks to be identical to the boxwave... http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00337&dept_id=&cat_id=0018 | 01:56 |
| skibur | So, its a good buy? | 01:56 |
| skibur | thinking... | 01:56 |
| astro76 | skibur, definitely | 01:56 |
| skibur | ok | 01:57 |
| skibur | I bought a geneirc Screen Protector at Wal-Mart, but it doesn't do the job | 01:57 |
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| astro76 | yeah I've tried those on devices in the past, this is much, much better | 01:58 |
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| astro76 | easy to apply, washable and reappliable | 01:58 |
| skibur | nice | 01:59 |
| astro76 | hey I still can't believe I never tried to fit the ultra-slim keyboard in the case logic case with my n800, I had all three | 02:00 |
| astro76 | thanks again for that ;) | 02:00 |
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| astro76 | (in case anyone's wondering http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13389&page=2 ) | 02:01 |
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| skibur | :) | 02:04 |
| skibur | my post | 02:04 |
| skibur | did you see the pics? | 02:04 |
| skibur | I just added them today | 02:04 |
| skibur | :) | 02:05 |
| astro76 | yes I did | 02:05 |
| astro76 | you know the stand comes off the keyboard, right? | 02:06 |
| skibur | I was eating a bowl of Cocoa Pebbles when posting. :P | 02:06 |
| skibur | yeah | 02:06 |
| skibur | its even better | 02:06 |
| skibur | when it comes off | 02:07 |
| astro76 | it is | 02:07 |
| skibur | I just left it intact to show it still fits good in the case | 02:07 |
| astro76 | my only possible complaint about the keyboard is that the F keys and scroll lock, num lock, etc... are not labeled | 02:09 |
| skibur | hum... never notice it | 02:11 |
| skibur | checking... | 02:11 |
| jeff1f | anyone get the thumbpad to work with the newest firmware? | 02:12 |
| vbraun | jeff1f: By pressing the "square center" key | 02:12 |
| skibur | o I see | 02:13 |
| astro76 | skibur, this is the mapping http://rafb.net/p/N9wqXh93.html | 02:13 |
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| skibur | FN + Blue access the Blue Characters :P | 02:13 |
| skibur | same with green. Maybe thats why I didn't notice it | 02:14 |
| astro76 | yeah it's got everything but they have focused more on smart phone labelling | 02:14 |
| skibur | Hell Yeah! Thanks astro76 | 02:15 |
| skibur | I've been looking for that | 02:15 |
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| skibur | Now I can use MC | 02:16 |
| astro76 | no prob, had to hunt those down by trial and error | 02:16 |
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| jpt9 | hey. | 02:16 |
| jpt9 | i have an n770 with os 2007he. | 02:16 |
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| jpt9 | i tried to install abiword; it didn't work. | 02:17 |
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| jpt9 | turns out there's some sort of conflict with libcanola. | 02:17 |
| jpt9 | when i do pretty much anything with apt-get, i get the following error: | 02:18 |
| jpt9 | E: The package libcanola-plugins-base1.0-plugin-model-shared needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. | 02:18 |
| jpt9 | i can't seem to remove the package. | 02:19 |
| jpt9 | i've tried apt-get remove, and still get the same error... | 02:19 |
| jpt9 | and the package doesn't show up in the app manager. | 02:20 |
| jpt9 | any ideas? | 02:20 |
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| jaharkes | jpt9, sometimes 'apt-get -f install' can get things unstuck | 02:20 |
| jpt9 | nope. or was i supposed to put something after 'install'? | 02:21 |
| jaharkes | nomis, just that | 02:22 |
| jpt9 | hmm... | 02:22 |
| jpt9 | this is annoying. people shouldn't be allowed to take repositories offline :-) | 02:23 |
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| vbraun | astro76, skibur: Which case logic model is that? | 02:23 |
| jaharkes | any errors on apt-get update? | 02:23 |
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| skibur | Case Logic - Compact Portable Hard Drive Case | 02:24 |
| skibur | http://www.caselogic.com/compact_por...?modelid=80400 | 02:24 |
| astro76 | vbraun, http://www.amazon.com/Small-External-HD-Case-Black/dp/B000HDJT4S/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1198455844&sr=8-1 | 02:24 |
| vbraun | tnx! | 02:24 |
| jaharkes | you can probably use dpkg --remove or --purge to remove the package | 02:24 |
| jpt9 | dpkg --remove returns: | 02:26 |
| jpt9 | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should | 02:26 |
| jpt9 | reinstall it before attempting a removal. | 02:26 |
| jpt9 | but i can't, since the repo's offline | 02:27 |
| jpt9 | should i try --purge? | 02:27 |
| jpt9 | just tried --purge; it didn't help... | 02:29 |
| astro76 | this is why everything should be in main or extras repos like a normal distribution | 02:31 |
| jpt9 | should i try adding --force-all? | 02:32 |
| dragorn | I'm not sure how what repo something is in affects his locally broken dpkg database | 02:32 |
| jpt9 | i think the comment was related to the fact that i can't reinstall the pkg since the repo providing it is offline | 02:33 |
| astro76 | and of course what would really help regardless of repo set up, is mirrors ;) | 02:33 |
| * DRoBeR is away: out of service | 02:34 | |
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| jpt9 | stupid question -- does anyone ever use alternate window managers on maemo? | 02:40 |
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| GNUton | Hi | 02:44 |
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| crafton | hi! there's a port of TomBoy to os2008? or any similar app? | 02:47 |
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| vbraun | tomboy is a mono app... good luck in porting ;-P | 02:54 |
| derf | Hmm, maemo mapper 2.2 is a gekk of a lot slower than 1.4.6. | 02:58 |
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| alterego | derf, you're on a 770? | 03:02 |
| derf | N800. | 03:03 |
| alterego | I heard someone was attempting mono for maemo. | 03:03 |
| alterego | Well, I heard it was supposed to be slower. For a few reasons. | 03:03 |
| alterego | I'm sure it'll get better in time. | 03:03 |
| crafton | vbraun you mean that mono is really hard to port to maemo? | 03:04 |
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| alterego | I don't see why mono would be that difficult to port to mameo. | 03:04 |
| alterego | ~maemo. | 03:04 |
| infobot | i heard maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ | 03:04 |
| alterego | Hell, I don't know mono and I bet I could do it in a couple of days .. | 03:04 |
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| crafton | mono is working on sansa mp3 players.. and I'm sure this is a more restricted-hardware than the itablets | 03:05 |
| alterego | Porting mono to maemo would be easy. But do we really need another language? | 03:06 |
| derf | Has anyone been able to get the POI download stuff working? It seems totally broken. | 03:06 |
| crafton | raelly.. i wish a TomBoy-like app | 03:06 |
| crafton | it would be nice. | 03:07 |
| alterego | With the flash images getting bigger and bigger, not to mention all the applications available in the catalog. I don't think it's wise adding more development platforms .. | 03:07 |
| alterego | Well, you could port it to python. | 03:07 |
| alterego | It's a relatively simple app really .. | 03:07 |
| crafton | it's what i thought | 03:07 |
| alterego | Or Ruby. | 03:07 |
| crafton | in python would be relative easy | 03:07 |
| alterego | Ruby's Gtk bindings are more fun. | 03:07 |
| crafton | but, the interesting is sync with TomBoy notes. I think they would use xml standard or something | 03:08 |
| alterego | Again, that's hardly a problem :P | 03:08 |
| crafton | :D you're being obviously ironic | 03:09 |
| crafton | really.. i'm noob programmer.. it would be a nice exercise | 03:09 |
| alterego | AFAIK tomboy uses HTML :P | 03:12 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I'm off. | 03:12 |
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| GNUton | good night | 03:22 |
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| yabbas | ~seen penguinbait | 04:25 |
| infobot | penguinbait <n=sage-@207.148.201.82> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 6h 31m 51s ago, saying: 'Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!'. | 04:25 |
| yabbas | anyone good with python porting? | 04:25 |
| lmoura | yabbas, go ahead | 04:26 |
| yabbas | I'm getting the following error when running an app I compiled: Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix> | 04:27 |
| yabbas | Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix> | 04:27 |
| yabbas | Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>] | 04:28 |
| yabbas | 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback | 04:28 |
| lmoura | what command triggers that output? | 04:29 |
| yabbas | gah - forgot the last line | 04:30 |
| yabbas | ImportError: No module named cwiid | 04:30 |
| yabbas | command is: ./wminput -w | 04:30 |
| yabbas | wmgui works wonderfully :) I managed to connect a Wiimote to the N800 and play with it! | 04:30 |
| lmoura | this wminput is a python script or binary? | 04:30 |
| yabbas | binary | 04:30 |
| lmoura | cool | 04:31 |
| yabbas | any ideas? | 04:31 |
| lmoura | maybe it is calling the scratchbox own python instead of python2.5 | 04:31 |
| yabbas | how would I go about fixing that? | 04:31 |
| lmoura | did you try running python and import this module manually? | 04:33 |
| lmoura | (I mean python2.5) | 04:33 |
| yabbas | nope .. lemme try that | 04:35 |
| yabbas | gah - I know what's up | 04:36 |
| * yabbas runs off to fix | 04:36 | |
| lmoura | ?? | 04:36 |
| yabbas | make didn't build the cwiid module | 04:40 |
| * yabbas blames his tools | 04:40 | |
| pupnik | youtube has a scary amount of video | 04:41 |
| lmoura | yabbas, is it working now? | 04:44 |
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| yabbas | lmoura, I'm new to all this linking/porting/etc business. Currently learning through trial by error >_< it's a slow, slow process. | 04:47 |
| lmoura | I know, but this particular error is gone? :) | 04:47 |
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| yabbas | lol - still trying to build the module | 04:48 |
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| yabbas | building 'cwiid' extension | 04:48 |
| yabbas | unable to execute /scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/gcc: No such file or directory | 04:48 |
| lmoura | oh, ok. Good luck :) | 04:48 |
| * yabbas curses | 04:48 | |
| yabbas | I know why it doesn't build - I know where the files are. Dammnit what I don't know is where and how to edit these Makefiles to point to the places I want! | 04:49 |
| yabbas | :) | 04:49 |
| * yabbas goes to read what " python setup.py build_ext" does | 04:52 | |
| fnordianslip | does it use a configure script? | 04:53 |
| fnordianslip | oh no. | 04:53 |
| yabbas | no ./configure no | 04:54 |
| fnordianslip | as you were then ;-) | 04:54 |
| yabbas | Right: python setup.py build_ext $(DEBUGFLAGS) -I../libcwiid -L../libcwiid -lcwiid | 04:55 |
| yabbas | where the hell does it keep getting the wrong paths to gcc from? | 04:56 |
| lmoura | yabbas, Probably you already know that but when using pymaemo in the SDK you must explicitly call python2.5 instead of python | 04:56 |
| ph|ber | anyone have the gpg error on the nokia site? | 04:56 |
| ph|ber | gpg key CBFC2BECC6903E72 | 04:56 |
| lmoura | python defaults to the python provided by scratchbox (python2.3) | 04:56 |
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| yabbas | didn't know that; tried python2.5 and same issue arose | 04:57 |
| yabbas | it'd be so much easier if I could get python-dev ... I had to kludge the include directories from the python2.4 sources | 04:57 |
| lmoura | any problem with python2.5-dev? | 04:58 |
| yabbas | can't find the package | 04:58 |
| yabbas | know which repo I need to add? | 05:00 |
| lmoura | strange. Are the repositories right? (repositories.maemo.org/extras bora (or chinook) free non-free) | 05:00 |
| lmoura | there were some problems in chinook this weekend about corrupted packages | 05:00 |
| lmoura | I don't know if it is working now | 05:01 |
| yabbas | grr | 05:01 |
| yabbas | they show up now! | 05:02 |
| yabbas | must have been the server issue | 05:02 |
| * yabbas starts from scratch again "properly" | 05:02 | |
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| yabbas | should I uninstall python 2.3 and 2.4? | 05:03 |
| lmoura | yabbas only 2.4 | 05:04 |
| lmoura | well | 05:04 |
| lmoura | is anyone of them from pymaemo? | 05:04 |
| yabbas | 2.4 was :) | 05:04 |
| * yabbas removes that | 05:04 | |
| yabbas | gah, I mean 2.3 | 05:05 |
| yabbas | 2.3 listed a number of dependancies which frightened me | 05:05 |
| lmoura | do not remove 2.3 | 05:05 |
| lmoura | well, do not remove the scratchbox one | 05:06 |
| * yabbas nods | 05:06 | |
| ph|ber | anyone??? | 05:14 |
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| pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=vA_iMuZ3ZDw this might be the best music ever - Blazin Hazen | 05:32 |
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| skibur | :) | 05:38 |
| DeLeOn | pupnik: it remind me the windows 386 promo video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swFlU-FKg30 | 05:40 |
| pupnik | :) | 05:41 |
| gm | time to upgrade to 2008 r2 | 05:41 |
| gm | well, the non-beta | 05:42 |
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| pupnik | nice find DeLeOn | 05:45 |
| DeLeOn | i'm glad i was a child in the 80's hahaha... i barely remember stuff like that | 05:46 |
| Masca | Hahaha god.. the 80's... why it's real? | 05:47 |
| unique311 | the repo issues fixed yet? | 05:52 |
| roue | anyone know if you can do an NFS mount under OS2008? I tried, and it tries, but the mount fails. | 05:53 |
| roue | the server log says the authentication failed, but I wasn't doing any authentication. | 05:53 |
| skibur | what is this Hacker edition for the n770? | 05:57 |
| gm | os2007 modified to run on the 770 | 05:58 |
| skibur | o ok | 05:58 |
| pupnik | ok DeLeOn that fried the last synapses | 06:00 |
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| DeLeOn | hahaha | 06:10 |
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| bvsciguy | what is the current state of the OS servers? are they still down? | 06:38 |
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| TabletHacker | <--- Drops Pin | 08:25 |
| |R | ? | 08:25 |
| TabletHacker | I wondered if I could hear it fall? | 08:26 |
| TabletHacker | its so quiet in here | 08:26 |
| |R | hehe | 08:26 |
| TabletHacker | At some point you wonder, if you have to explain the joke, was it really funny? | 08:27 |
| |R | I'm mostly really tired, so everything is funny and not funny at the same time... | 08:27 |
| Vulcanis | I'm always that way | 08:28 |
| Vulcanis | sleep does not come easy to me. | 08:28 |
| * |R 's brain is broken from all the n810 discount waiting ;) | 08:28 | |
| TabletHacker | I just close my eyes and I am out, anytime, anywhere | 08:28 |
| Vulcanis | Yes, people like you I envy. | 08:28 |
| |R | lucky you | 08:28 |
| TabletHacker | is it next week yet. haha | 08:28 |
| Vulcanis | I can be in bed at ~9. And then be trying to sleep for 3 hours. | 08:28 |
| |R | it was next week... | 08:28 |
| |R | :P | 08:28 |
| Vulcanis | until 3* thats 6 hours | 08:29 |
| Vulcanis | no caffiene. No-one really knows what the problem is | 08:29 |
| TabletHacker | 1:30AM here, its monday | 08:29 |
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| |R | same here | 08:29 |
| TabletHacker | maybe thay are waiting to give us n900's instead | 08:29 |
| TabletHacker | :) | 08:29 |
| |R | i wish i could get wimax service with a wimax tablet... good bye cell phone, land lines, etc etc... :P | 08:30 |
| TabletHacker | i'd be happy with an 810 @ this point | 08:31 |
| |R | I'd be happy with getting shot at this point, waiting without news is horrible :P | 08:32 |
| TabletHacker | they probably would have sold 500 more already, if they hadnt promised them to us :) | 08:32 |
| |R | hehe indeed ;) | 08:32 |
| TabletHacker | its like being a kid, and Christmas keeps getting postponed, every time it gets close | 08:32 |
| TabletHacker | its tramatic | 08:33 |
| |R | yeah, we're all beaten kids at this point... | 08:33 |
| |R | we should get rescued somehow ;) | 08:34 |
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| TabletHacker | The Mighty Quim? | 08:34 |
| |R | maybe the nokia christmas party was a bit too heavy on alcohol and they'll wake up next week ;) | 08:35 |
| TabletHacker | well, I got my 770 in jan 2006, and my n800 in jan 2007, so I guess | 08:36 |
| |R | hehe, i'm not such a regular yet ;) | 08:36 |
| TabletHacker | they must figure they are still on schedule | 08:37 |
| timelyx | TabletHacker: he's on vacation | 08:42 |
| timelyx | |r: fwiw, the holiday party was weeks ago | 08:43 |
| |R | hehe :) | 08:43 |
| |R | hard liquor indeed then ;) | 08:43 |
| |R | so... if quim is on vacation, we're screwed until january? :) | 08:44 |
| TabletHacker | Are FINS not known for holding their liquor? | 08:44 |
| timelyx | TabletHacker: google | 08:44 |
| timelyx | and it'd be finns | 08:45 |
| * timelyx gives that spelling fix for free | 08:45 | |
| TabletHacker | maybe we need to send some brits over to level things out | 08:45 |
| timelyx | |r: quim is more of a manager | 08:45 |
| |R | I'd love to go to finland :) | 08:45 |
| timelyx | |r: why? | 08:45 |
| |R | why? why not? :) | 08:45 |
| * timelyx is fairly unhappy about finland | 08:45 | |
| |R | oh? | 08:46 |
| timelyx | for one, there's no sun | 08:46 |
| TabletHacker | we need some people over there who can handle their liquor | 08:46 |
| timelyx | for another, there's no warmth | 08:46 |
| timelyx | and in case you want a white christmas, forget it :) | 08:46 |
| timelyx | you're better off in the states :) | 08:46 |
| |R | no snow? | 08:46 |
| TabletHacker | with brits their, their want be much left for the Finns | 08:46 |
| |R | I'm in Montreal, it's cold, dark, and snowy right now ;) | 08:46 |
| timelyx | see, that sounds better | 08:46 |
| |R | (well today it was raining, but we got almost a meter of snow in the last weeks) | 08:47 |
| timelyx | you can enjoy your white christmas | 08:47 |
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| TabletHacker | michigan, cold and dark, and windy as hell | 08:47 |
| |R | timelyx : so you're not from finland? :P | 08:47 |
| timelyx | not yet :) | 08:47 |
| timelyx | i'm here now | 08:47 |
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| * |R would rather get a tropical winter though ;) | 08:48 | |
| timelyx | that's the spirit | 08:48 |
| |R | (tropical christmas rather...) | 08:48 |
| timelyx | although be careful | 08:48 |
| TabletHacker | if I could make money hacking tablets in Hawaii | 08:48 |
| TabletHacker | I'd be gone | 08:48 |
| timelyx | some people have described the southern hemisphere as detrimental to dark holidays | 08:48 |
| |R | Tablets & Bora Bora... :P | 08:48 |
| * |R is going to go to bed before falling asleep on the keyboard and annoying the hell out of everyone with a long line of kkkkkkkkkkkkkk... ;) | 08:50 | |
| TabletHacker | peace | 08:51 |
| |R | ciao :) | 08:51 |
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| pupnik_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bqlhxsv7XNI Domo-Kun dancinc to 'Xanadu' | 08:59 |
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| snak | anyone tried to use becomeroot on OS2008 | 09:14 |
| snak | installed it but "becomeroot" aint working :( | 09:14 |
| snak | put it in the terminal and it wasnt found -.- | 09:15 |
| Vulcanis | you need to enable redpill for some reason to install it | 09:17 |
| snak | ? | 09:17 |
| snak | i installed it without enabling it | 09:17 |
| Vulcanis | you have the eko repo, right? | 09:17 |
| snak | yeah | 09:17 |
| Vulcanis | Yeah, for some reason the one not in redpillmode is messed up | 09:17 |
| Vulcanis | I had the same problem | 09:17 |
| snak | wierd | 09:18 |
| Vulcanis | just redpill and reinstall it from the repo | 09:18 |
| snak | ok, ty | 09:18 |
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| snak | uuh | 09:22 |
| snak | redpill on | 09:22 |
| snak | resintall | 09:22 |
| snak | still not found -.- | 09:22 |
| Vulcanis | still did not work? | 09:22 |
| Vulcanis | Hm | 09:22 |
| Vulcanis | One second | 09:22 |
| snak | am i doing something wrong | 09:22 |
| snak | "becomeroot" in the terminal | 09:22 |
| Vulcanis | ah, yeah | 09:23 |
| Vulcanis | Sudo gainroot | 09:23 |
| snak | xD | 09:23 |
| Vulcanis | turn off redpill, if you have not already | 09:23 |
| snak | ^_^ there we go | 09:23 |
| snak | cheers | 09:23 |
| Vulcanis | Yeah. | 09:23 |
| snak | does becomeroot modify the gainroot? | 09:23 |
| Vulcanis | believe so | 09:24 |
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| snak | same as the ssh tutorial? | 09:24 |
| Vulcanis | gainroot requires R&D mode, I think | 09:24 |
| Vulcanis | becomeroot just overrides that | 09:24 |
| snak | :) | 09:24 |
| Vulcanis | its certanly helpful | 09:24 |
| * Vulcanis is very new to all of this, though | 09:24 | |
| Vulcanis | My n800 came the 15th | 09:24 |
| snak | mine on 19th | 09:25 |
| snak | i love it to bits =) | 09:25 |
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| snak | ok, im trying to execute a binary on my mmc and im getting "permission denied" | 09:28 |
| Vulcanis | Are you still in root? | 09:29 |
| snak | i thaught root access would solve that -.- | 09:29 |
| snak | yeah, im root atm | 09:29 |
| Vulcanis | Is it plugged into usb? | 09:29 |
| snak | nope | 09:29 |
| Vulcanis | Hm | 09:29 |
| snak | but it does have a very long filename | 09:29 |
| Vulcanis | see if you can run anything else on the card | 09:29 |
| Vulcanis | don't think long filenames should matter | 09:30 |
| snak | need to get something else to put on it -.- | 09:31 |
| Vulcanis | what are you trying to run | 09:31 |
| snak | http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobileandembedded/PhoneMEAdvancedPlatformsNokia800 | 09:31 |
| snak | that =] | 09:31 |
| Vulcanis | mmm | 09:31 |
| snak | though it does say to make a top level dir | 09:31 |
| snak | but i dont like top level dirs | 09:32 |
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| GreySim | Does anyone know if a MicroB extension can access dbus or could access dbus with enough work? | 09:34 |
| GreySim | Which I guess really is really the same question twice. :| | 09:34 |
| snak | any ideas Vulcanis? | 09:35 |
| Vulcanis | Snak: was reading the site. I'm too tired to really think, so no. | 09:36 |
| snak | ok, thanks anyway | 09:36 |
| snak | need to find another binary to try and run | 09:36 |
| Vulcanis | I don't think that is the problem | 09:36 |
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| snak | i just took the binaries and stuck it on the mmc | 09:40 |
| snak | so i could test it | 09:40 |
| snak | Permission denied every time | 09:41 |
| Vulcanis | Hm | 09:41 |
| GreySim | Sorry if I'm not helping, since I don't have full context, but are you trying to run binaries directly on a FAT formatted MMC card? Won't work if it's not on the main system, because you can't set the executable bit. | 09:41 |
| GreySim | I believe. | 09:41 |
| snak | well, thats enlightening | 09:42 |
| snak | umm, wheres the executable bit xD | 09:42 |
| GreySim | chmod +x | 09:42 |
| GreySim | If you're in xterm. Otherwise dunno. | 09:42 |
| GreySim | Err, 'chmod +x filename' | 09:43 |
| GreySim | If that wasn't obvious. ^.^' | 09:43 |
| snak | errr, what does chmod do? | 09:43 |
| GreySim | Changes permissions of a file. Also read and write permissions, if you were using + or -r or w. | 09:43 |
| snak | ah right | 09:44 |
| snak | whats the command to see permissions of files again? | 09:44 |
| tontsa | the mmc is prolly mounted "noexec" | 09:44 |
| GreySim | ls -l filename | 09:45 |
| GreySim | Will give it to you in a weird string of rwxrwxrwx I think. | 09:45 |
| snak | oh yes, theres no x there -.- | 09:45 |
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| snak | well thats interesting | 09:46 |
| snak | chmod +x filname, and it didnt change the flag to executable | 09:46 |
| snak | didnt throw an error either | 09:47 |
| GreySim | snak: Is it on the MMC still? Like I said, either FAT doesn't support that, or there's something about the way it's mounted (that "noexec" bit) that prevents that. | 09:47 |
| tontsa | cat /proc/mounts | 09:47 |
| GreySim | It needs to be on the internal memory. | 09:48 |
| snak | ah, ok ^_^ | 09:48 |
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| snak | ah hah! success | 09:51 |
| snak | thanks all | 09:51 |
| Vulcanis | mmhmm | 09:51 |
| GreySim | Yeah, that baffled me too a month or so ago, when I was trying to do Django development on the tablet. Was storing the project on the card, and couldn't get the server to run for some strange reason. :) | 09:51 |
| Vulcanis | good to know | 09:53 |
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| snak | urrgh | 09:56 |
| L0cutus | buongiorno | 09:57 |
| snak | how to press the "up" button for last command on Xterm | 09:57 |
| snak | is starting to hurt | 09:57 |
| snak | with these uber long commands | 09:57 |
| Vulcanis | bluetooth kb = win | 09:57 |
| Vulcanis | ah | 09:57 |
| snak | -.- | 09:57 |
| Vulcanis | the up button is just up on the dpad | 09:57 |
| snak | there was a button on OS2007 xterm | 09:57 |
| snak | omg -.- | 09:58 |
| snak | if i have known that | 09:58 |
| snak | so simple -.- | 09:58 |
| L0cutus | also CTRL+P | 09:58 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:58 |
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| madar | hello all, is there anyplace else to get maemo mapper? | 11:21 |
| madar | I realize the files are bad on the main repo | 11:21 |
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| Spakman_ | madar: have you tried this - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13721 | 11:27 |
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| snak | wtf is with OS2008 | 11:33 |
| snak | i do chmod +x filename | 11:33 |
| snak | ./filename | 11:34 |
| snak | not foun | 11:34 |
| snak | d | 11:34 |
| snak | file manager has it | 11:34 |
| snak | ls has it | 11:34 |
| snak | and its "not found" | 11:34 |
| snak | right... | 11:34 |
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| gm | is it on a mmc? | 11:38 |
| snak | nope | 11:39 |
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| gm | hmmm | 11:41 |
| MikeL | #Canola | 11:41 |
| MikeL | me/ hi | 11:41 |
| gm | gah, the repositories are still screwed | 11:41 |
| snak | what buttons caps lock | 11:43 |
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| snak | its magically disappeared | 11:43 |
| X-Fade_ | snak: hold shift for 2 secs.. | 11:45 |
| snak | ah, crafty xD | 11:45 |
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| snak | urrgh | 11:52 |
| snak | 90% of the time, the problem is the person in front of the screen | 11:53 |
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| snak | anyone tried to get java working? | 11:55 |
| snak | and got errors like java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) | 11:55 |
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| snak | im geussing it cant find the class | 11:56 |
| snak | but its being dumb, cause im sitting here looking at it | 11:56 |
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| snak | bah - i geuss not, in that case; if i get this working ill write an article on it | 12:10 |
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| GNUton | yo | 12:23 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 12:51 |
| GNUton | sbaturzio: | 12:54 |
| GNUton | sbaturzio: hi! | 12:54 |
| GNUton | sbaturzio: anzi ciao! :) | 12:54 |
| maddler | sbaturzio: aloha kahua! | 12:55 |
| maddler | :) | 12:55 |
| sbaturzio | ciao a tutti :-) | 12:56 |
| sbaturzio | there are still trouble on chinook repository? | 12:57 |
| sbaturzio | ooops....are there still.... :-) | 12:57 |
| L0cutus | ciao sbaturzio e GNUton | 12:57 |
| GNUton | ue L0cutus! :) | 12:58 |
| GNUton | L0cutus: chan italiano stamattina!:) | 12:58 |
| maddler | GNUton: partiamo alla conquista? :) | 12:58 |
| maddler | LOL! | 12:58 |
| GNUton | maddler: volentieri..! :) | 12:59 |
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| L0cutus | lol | 13:01 |
| maddler | :) | 13:03 |
| yabbas | how large are .desktop icons? | 13:04 |
| sbaturzio | on the OS2008, inside the "contacts applet", is there a way to "shrink" the size of every single contacts? just five contacts is not enough | 13:06 |
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| timeless | ping | 13:19 |
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| gm | does libatk have a package on maemo | 13:24 |
| timeless | ask gronmayer (see topic) | 13:24 |
| gm | ahh, whoops, got it | 13:25 |
| gm | searching wrong repository :0 | 13:25 |
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| timeless | the cross reference says it's in chinook | 13:25 |
| gm | oh, there's a fix for the repository.maemo.org issue | 13:25 |
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| gm | well, temp workaround | 13:25 |
| timeless | it's bad | 13:25 |
| timeless | don't use it | 13:25 |
| timeless | thanks for playing | 13:25 |
| gm | yeah, i bet it's doing something bad :) | 13:26 |
| timeless | as far as someone described, it should poison your system | 13:26 |
| timeless | such that if you ever switch to the normal | 13:26 |
| timeless | you won't be able to upgrade things you installed from it | 13:26 |
| gm | heh, i've destroyed my repositories already by using the SDK ones on the device :) | 13:26 |
| * timeless isn't 100% certain about this | 13:27 | |
| timeless | but it seems quite likely | 13:28 |
| timeless | if you want a safe fix, there are safe fixes | 13:28 |
| gm | know what they were? | 13:28 |
| timeless | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 13:29 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 13:29 |
| timeless | anything like that would be safe | 13:29 |
| timeless | you can pick any ip address you like, although it's best to use a deb | 13:29 |
| timeless | so when you're done you can uninstall it by using application manager | 13:29 |
| fnordianslip | g'day. I've poisoned my system. oh well. just wondering if after i clone from internal to flash again once the real r.m.o is functional, i can tweak the restore from backup to reinstall the apps from the correct repo? | 13:29 |
| timeless | fnordianslip: hrm | 13:30 |
| timeless | depends how it stores things | 13:30 |
| timeless | backup uses zip files | 13:30 |
| gm | i did the "repostory.maemo.org" thing | 13:30 |
| timeless | so if you take the zips to your favorite desktop | 13:30 |
| timeless | then you should be able to do whatever it takes to "fix" the problem | 13:30 |
| * timeless hasn't looked at a backup of an application list yet | 13:30 | |
| fnordianslip | i guess if i edit the restored repo sources before reinstalling, it might be ok wthout having to do anything else. | 13:31 |
| timeless | i'd kinda assume SMCstar was a package? | 13:32 |
| timeless | ooops | 13:32 |
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| L0cutus | my igo bt keyboard is dead :-\ | 13:35 |
| L0cutus | bought in oct/2007 :-( | 13:35 |
| gm | :( | 13:41 |
| gm | warranty? | 13:42 |
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| sxpert | gm, no such thing :-) | 13:42 |
| sxpert | L0cutus, changed the batteries | 13:42 |
| timeless | it's hardware, return it, demand a replacement :) | 13:42 |
| L0cutus | gm yes warranty, but, i'm in Italy, i must send to France... | 13:44 |
| gm | ahh | 13:44 |
| L0cutus | i think i'll cost more than new... | 13:45 |
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| yabbas | :D | 13:58 |
| yabbas | respostory++ | 13:58 |
| Jaffa | see timelyx's warning | 13:58 |
| hahlo | debianutils removed busybox, now it doesn't boot or even shutdown | 14:04 |
| timeless | hahlo: wasn't there a big scary warning saying "don't do this"? | 14:04 |
| * timeless wonders if the big scary warning wasn't big or scary enough | 14:04 | |
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| gm | uh-oh | 14:05 |
| gm | did you just remove busybox? | 14:05 |
| hahlo | yes there was something | 14:05 |
| gm | you want to install debian-utils manuall | 14:05 |
| gm | manually | 14:05 |
| * timeless decides it clearly was neither big enough nor scary enough | 14:05 | |
| gm | and just replace busybox by mv'ing the binaries in | 14:05 |
| timeless | you mean rm'ing symlinks and then moving them in? | 14:06 |
| timeless | or would mv do the right thing? | 14:07 |
| hahlo | os2008 is ke using sid with couple extra repos | 14:07 |
| * timeless has been bitten by symlinks occasionally of late | 14:07 | |
| timeless | 'ke'? | 14:07 |
| hahlo | like | 14:07 |
| hahlo | easily baks even in dist-upgrade | 14:08 |
| hahlo | breaks | 14:08 |
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| * tontsa takes root away from hahlo | 14:09 | |
| timeless | rt? :) | 14:10 |
| gm | libesd0-dev: Depends: libesd0 (= 0.52-8) but 0.52-14 is installed | 14:11 |
| gm | is there a simple way of shutting up that sort of error/ | 14:11 |
| gm | ? | 14:11 |
| timeless | "simple" yum | 14:11 |
| * timeless can think of a dozen "evil" ways to "fix" that | 14:12 | |
| hahlo | is there a way fix tablet now that it doesn't boot? | 14:13 |
| gm | reflash | 14:13 |
| timeless | dpkg --ignore-depends=libesd0 -i libesd0-dev.deb | 14:13 |
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| timeless | that sounds "simple", i suppose | 14:13 |
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| hahlo | can I flash with poweron cause it doesn't shutdown? | 14:14 |
| timeless | you can remove the battery | 14:14 |
| hahlo | ok | 14:14 |
| timeless | does pressing the power key for 5-10s really not kill the device? | 14:14 |
| timeless | you should try that first :) | 14:14 |
| hahlo | I try that alady | 14:15 |
| gm | timeless: it's making apt-get error on that | 14:15 |
| timeless | apt-get --download-only | 14:15 |
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| gm | application managet is broken | 14:15 |
| gm | i might just install the corresponding libesd0 | 14:16 |
| hahlo | btw why debconf is replaced with fakedebconf? | 14:16 |
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| gm | right, only 6 mangled dependencies to go | 14:21 |
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| gm | hmm, well, if the sdk is supposed to be able to run on these different package versions to develop for the device, i'd assume it'd be safe to replace os2008 packages with these... | 14:27 |
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| oranginalab | Has anyone been able to build microb-eal? I am experiencing dependencies issues and don't know how to solve them | 14:32 |
| timeless | i'm expecting someone to show up shortly asking about building microb | 14:32 |
| timeless | that'd be the someone | 14:32 |
| timeless | hello | 14:32 |
| oranginalab | hi thats me | 14:32 |
| timeless | hrm, you're working in a scratchbox | 14:33 |
| timeless | is the world outside your scratchbox debian based? | 14:33 |
| * timeless would like to have a semi common point of reference | 14:33 | |
| oranginalab | yes. World outside scratchbox is a Debian system. | 14:33 |
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| timeless | can you install http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 14:34 |
| timeless | (you can install it both inside and outside, but i'm going to assume you prefer browsing from outside) | 14:34 |
| gm | hmm, i think i'm creating a disaster here... | 14:34 |
| * timeless sighs | 14:35 | |
| * timeless hates proxies | 14:35 | |
| timeless | if you do, then we can use short urls like mxr.maemo.org | 14:36 |
| timeless | if not, then we have to use longer urls | 14:36 |
| timeless | like timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test | 14:36 |
| oranginalab | I have installed it (outside) | 14:38 |
| timeless | ok, | 14:38 |
| oranginalab | what was that | 14:38 |
| timeless | you should be able to load http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/ | 14:38 |
| * timeless hopes | 14:39 | |
| oranginalab | Error 404. | 14:39 |
| timeless | are you using a proxy? | 14:40 |
| oranginalab | Do you want me to install it inside scratchbox | 14:40 |
| oranginalab | I do not | 14:40 |
| gm | uh-oh | 14:41 |
| gm | just screwed up libgtk2 | 14:41 |
| gm | reflashing time :) | 14:41 |
| timeless | gm: gah | 14:41 |
| timeless | organinalab: erp | 14:41 |
| timeless | try loading just http://mxr.maemo.org/ | 14:41 |
| timeless | if the title is repository.maemo.org (aka. stage.maemo.org) then it didn't work | 14:41 |
| timeless | in which case you should uninstall the deb and we'll just use longer urls | 14:42 |
| timeless | anyway, here's the first longer url: | 14:42 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/debian/control | 14:42 |
| oranginalab | The title is repository.... | 14:42 |
| gm | knew it would happen :) | 14:42 |
| timeless | ok, uninstall the deb | 14:43 |
| * timeless shrugs | 14:43 | |
| * timeless ponders | 14:44 | |
| timeless | oh, i bet i know what's up | 14:44 |
| timeless | that'd be clever | 14:44 |
| timeless | well, let's see :) | 14:44 |
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| timeless | hrm, cute | 14:45 |
| oranginalab | I've loaded that Mozilla Cross Reference page but i don't know what I am doing | 14:45 |
| timeless | we're just reading aroudn | 14:46 |
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| timeless | the first thing i did was try to figure out who or what provides maemo-browser-eal-dev | 14:46 |
| oranginalab | lets read | 14:46 |
| oranginalab | ok | 14:47 |
| timeless | there are basically 2 repositories of interest | 14:47 |
| timeless | one is garage (which is what we're looking at there) | 14:47 |
| timeless | it's where you got the source for browser | 14:47 |
| timeless | the other is chinook | 14:47 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=browser-eal-dev&find=debian/control | 14:47 |
| timeless | which is where the normal dev packages live | 14:47 |
| timeless | anyway, searching chinook showed no such package | 14:49 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?string=eal-dev&find=debian/control | 14:49 |
| timeless | otoh eventually does show some | 14:50 |
| timeless | the one that's most interesting is ironically in the same file | 14:50 |
| timeless | * | 14:50 |
| timeless | /browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/debian/control, | 14:50 |
| timeless | * line 5 -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), browser-eal-dev (>= 0.0.1) | maemo-browser-eal-dev (>= 1.5.0), microb-engine-dev (>= 0.0.1-1), libgtk2.0-dev, osso-ic-dev, libhildon1-dev | hildon-libs-dev, libosso-gnomevfs2-dev, libssl-dev, libgtkmozembed-dev, libconic0-dev | osso-ic-dev, libdbus-1-dev | dbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev | dbus-glib-1-dev, libcst-dev | 14:50 |
| timeless | * line 8 -- Package: microb-eal-dev | 14:50 |
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| timeless | a bit of useless history, which is unfortunately relevant | 14:50 |
| timeless | before microb was released, its internal name was maemo-browser | 14:50 |
| timeless | but the lawyers and managers determined that it couldn't keep the name maemo | 14:51 |
| timeless | so a new name was chosen (microb) | 14:51 |
| timeless | in most cases, it was a global replace (maemo-browser => microb) | 14:51 |
| timeless | but, it seems that in this Build-Depends line, the replace didn't happen :o | 14:51 |
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| timeless | since the control file specifies a package microb-eal-dev, it seems likely that the build-depend was supposed to be on that | 14:52 |
| timeless | the reason it builds for everyone else, should be apparent too from the search results | 14:52 |
| timeless | everyone else has browser-eal-dev | 14:52 |
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| timeless | anyway, try changing maemo-browser to microb, and then rebuilding :) | 14:52 |
| timeless | if that works, file a bug in bugs.maemo.org browser/microb and attach an svn diff for the change | 14:53 |
| timeless | people here can help w/ all those steps | 14:53 |
| * timeless chuckles | 14:54 | |
| oranginalab | I am going to try it and come back to tell you it worked. | 14:54 |
| timeless | btw, there's no reason to leave the channel, it won't hurt you to stay :) | 14:54 |
| oranginalab | :) | 14:54 |
| * timeless sighs and kicks osso-xterm | 14:55 | |
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| oranginalab | Hi, again | 15:03 |
| oranginalab | That didn't work | 15:03 |
| timeless | did you at least get a different error? | 15:03 |
| oranginalab | the microb-eal-dev dependence error is still there (now with a different name) | 15:03 |
| timeless | what command are you using to build now? | 15:04 |
| timeless | you'll need to build microb-eal-dev first... | 15:04 |
| oranginalab | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc | 15:05 |
| * timeless grumbles | 15:06 | |
| * timeless hates dpkg | 15:06 | |
| timeless | anyone here want to be my hero? | 15:06 |
| timeless | i'm sure i've earned a hero | 15:06 |
| oranginalab | ? | 15:06 |
| timeless | that's not to you :) | 15:07 |
| gm | heh, i hate dpkg too | 15:07 |
| oranginalab | let me know the best way to build packages, then | 15:07 |
| timeless | the best way is not to start :) | 15:08 |
| oranginalab | I am getting lost, how do i get microb-eal-dev source code | 15:10 |
| oranginalab | and how i build it without dpkg | 15:11 |
| timeless | microb-eal-dev is part of the same pacakge as the thing you're in | 15:11 |
| * timeless doesn't understand what dpkg-buildpackage is thinking | 15:11 | |
| timeless | oh | 15:11 |
| timeless | ok, well, try this | 15:11 |
| timeless | hrm | 15:12 |
| timeless | ok, just temporarily try removing the dependency entirely: | 15:13 |
| timeless | build-depends:%20debhelper%20(>=%204.0.0),%20microb-engine-dev%20(>=%200.0.1-1),%20libgtk2.0-dev,%20osso-ic-dev,%20libhildon1-dev%20|%20hildon-libs-dev,%20libosso-gnomevfs2-dev,%20libssl-dev,%20libgtkmozembed-dev,%20libconic0-dev%20|%20osso-ic-dev,%20libdbus-1-dev%20|%20dbus-1-dev,%20libdbus-glib-1-dev%20|%20dbus-glib-1-dev,%20libcst-dev | 15:13 |
| timeless | oh boy, my web browser was really helpful :( | 15:14 |
| timeless | build-depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), microb-engine-dev (>= 0.0.1-1), libgtk2.0-dev, osso-ic-dev, libhildon1-dev | hildon-libs-dev, libosso-gnomevfs2-dev, libssl-dev, libgtkmozembed-dev, libconic0-dev | osso-ic-dev, libdbus-1-dev | dbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev | dbus-glib-1-dev, libcst-dev | 15:14 |
| * timeless sighs | 15:14 | |
| * timeless used to be able to use url bars as pastebins | 15:14 | |
| timeless | now they do random other things | 15:14 |
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| oranginalab | You want me to try to build it just skipping dependencies? | 15:16 |
| oranginalab | I can try dpkg-buildpackage -d | 15:16 |
| oranginalab | It was just microb-eal-dev that you want me to remove. I am going to try | 15:18 |
| timeless | yeah, it's microb-eal-dev and the | part | 15:19 |
| oranginalab | Ok. We have skipped microb-eal-dev. Now there are only two issues remaining | 15:21 |
| oranginalab | osso-ic-dev and libgtkmozembed-dev | 15:21 |
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| oranginalab | I tried to build libgtkmozembed and after solving dependencies (microb-engine-dev, bc, quilt) I got a compilation error | 15:26 |
| timeless | pastebin.mozilla.org | 15:26 |
| oranginalab | ok | 15:28 |
| oranginalab | Excuse me, I am not used to IRC tools | 15:29 |
| timeless | http://pastebin.mozilla.org | 15:29 |
| timeless | paste the build error there | 15:29 |
| timeless | then paste the url it gives you here | 15:30 |
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| timeless | i'm not expecting you to be familiar w/ irc tools | 15:30 |
| timeless | so far, you've actually made many fewer gaffs than most people :) | 15:30 |
| timeless | if you want more information about irc, you can visit http://irchelp.org | 15:30 |
| * timeless sighs | 15:33 | |
| timeless | what part of maemo-developers means "Rant about nokia hardware design" :( | 15:33 |
| oranginalab | I have pasted the libgtkmozembed building error | 15:34 |
| oranginalab | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277262 | 15:34 |
| timeless | you'll need to copy the url from the browser to this window | 15:34 |
| timeless | thanks | 15:34 |
| timeless | ok | 15:35 |
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| timeless | so you're building libgtkmozembed | 15:35 |
| timeless | but you don't have microb-dev (or something like it) installed | 15:35 |
| timeless | microb-engine-dev | 15:36 |
| timeless | you're going to need to somehow get microb-engine-dev | 15:36 |
| timeless | one way is to build it (from svn) | 15:36 |
| oranginalab | I have installed with just a apt-get install | 15:36 |
| timeless | just now? | 15:37 |
| oranginalab | Not now | 15:37 |
| timeless | hrm | 15:37 |
| * timeless frowns | 15:37 | |
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| oranginalab | I tried to build libgtkmozembed hoping it will provide me with some libgtkmozembed-dev package needed to build microb-eal | 15:39 |
| oranginalab | but i failed. | 15:39 |
| * timeless wonders which thing adds this | 15:40 | |
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| timeless | you have all the sources for microb, including microb-engine, right? | 15:41 |
| timeless | you could use xpidl to create nsIXPIProgressDialog.h | 15:41 |
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| oranginalab | I downloaded all sources from microb, engine included | 15:44 |
| timeless | ok | 15:44 |
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| oranginalab | oops!! IRC client crashed | 15:46 |
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| oranginalab | I have no idea on how to do what you suggested | 15:47 |
| oranginalab | and now I can even remember what it was | 15:47 |
| timeless | fwiw, one of the urls in the topic is to a channel log | 15:47 |
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| timeless | ok, you'll want to cd trunk/microb-engine | 15:49 |
| timeless | if you want to try to skip building gecko, you'd probably do this: | 15:49 |
| timeless | sh -x ./build_non_deb.sh | 15:49 |
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| timeless | cd scratch_build/build-tree/mozilla | 15:49 |
| oranginalab | done | 15:49 |
| timeless | xpidl --help | 15:50 |
| timeless | the file you want to feed xpidl is: /xpinstall/public/nsIXPIProgressDialog.idl | 15:50 |
| timeless | the output format you want is header | 15:50 |
| timeless | so, something like: | 15:50 |
| oranginalab | wait, please | 15:50 |
| oranginalab | i have no scratch_build directory | 15:51 |
| timeless | xpidl -m header -I ... -o /tmp/nsIXPIProgressDialog.h xpinstall/public/nsIXPIProgressDialog.idl | 15:51 |
| timeless | um.. | 15:51 |
| timeless | if you used sh -x ./build_non_deb.sh you'd get one: | 15:52 |
| timeless | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/build_non_deb.sh#22 | 15:52 |
| timeless | if you don't want to skip building microb | 15:52 |
| timeless | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html | 15:52 |
| oranginalab | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277279 | 15:52 |
| timeless | you can just do the two fakeroot commands | 15:52 |
| timeless | oh | 15:52 |
| timeless | heh, well, um, you'd need to do what it says :) | 15:52 |
| timeless | although, it's kinda missing a "fakeroot" token :) | 15:52 |
| oranginalab | ejem! | 15:53 |
| timeless | but, it's not really designed for people in scratchboxes, so, that's forgivable :) | 15:53 |
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| oranginalab | Now it's taking its time to build | 15:56 |
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| oranginalab | Next time i will read output | 15:57 |
| timeless | a good lesson to learn :) | 15:57 |
| * alterego installs scratchbox in a nice new KVM .. | 15:59 | |
| oranginalab | this way i will avoid blusing this way | 16:00 |
| timeless | it's ok, we're all new at least once | 16:02 |
| timeless | i tend to be new daily | 16:02 |
| alterego | :) | 16:02 |
| timeless | every day is a new chance for me to make dozens of mistakes | 16:02 |
| oranginalab | just dozens? May be my days are longer :) | 16:04 |
| derf | If you aren't floundering around helplessly, you aren't learning anything. | 16:05 |
| derf | I would like to learn why dpkg-buildpackage is suddenly no longer in my path in scratchbox. | 16:06 |
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| oranginalab | Now I have a scratch_build/build-tree/mozilla directory | 16:08 |
| oranginalab | But no xpidl command | 16:09 |
| timeless | oranginalab: it's dark outside | 16:09 |
| timeless | and has been for a few hours | 16:09 |
| timeless | i think there's around 5hours of daylight | 16:09 |
| timeless | and that's theoretical daylight | 16:09 |
| timeless | so yeah, i'm fairly sure your days are longer :) | 16:09 |
| timeless | organinalab: um... one of the packages theoretically had xpidl | 16:10 |
| timeless | i know because i checked | 16:10 |
| timeless | try: /usr/lib/microb-engine/xpidl | 16:10 |
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| oranginalab | here it is | 16:11 |
| * timeless wonders how /usr/include works in debian | 16:11 | |
| timeless | is it one giant mess? | 16:11 |
| oranginalab | can't tell you. It's not only maemo that i am newbie on... | 16:12 |
| timeless | as a temporary place for that .h file, stick it next to EmbedDownloadMgr.cpp | 16:13 |
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| timeless | oh, you'll probably need to add some -Is | 16:15 |
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| timeless | e.g. -I /usr/share/idl/microb-engine | 16:15 |
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| timeless | are you currently stuck somewhere? | 16:21 |
| timeless | it's past 4pm, and i'd like to see if i can find lunch | 16:21 |
| timeless | before christmas even makes that impossible | 16:21 |
| oranginalab | Excuse me | 16:21 |
| oranginalab | I have executed the xpidl command and was trying to understand what happened | 16:22 |
| oranginalab | if something happened | 16:22 |
| oranginalab | please, Just tell what were we trying to achieve with that command and i'll do some googling | 16:23 |
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| oranginalab | Have a Merry Christmas and forgive me for stucking you here. | 16:25 |
| L0cutus | someone know/use this keyboard with n8x0 ? http://www.expansys.it/p.aspx?i=149150 | 16:26 |
| timeless | the goal was to create the .h file that was missing from http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277262 | 16:26 |
| timeless | the -o thing would have specified where that file went | 16:26 |
| timeless | temporarily, the file probably should be /home/sigfried/apt-sources/microb/libgtkembedmoz/src/nsIXPIProgressDialog.h | 16:27 |
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| oranginalab | I've found it | 16:30 |
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| * timeless sighs | 16:36 | |
| timeless | 8 Package: cellphonetool | 16:37 |
| timeless | 12 Description: it contains an application & icon. | 16:37 |
| timeless | nice description | 16:37 |
| oranginalab | strangely it is called nsIXPIProgressDialogn.h.h | 16:38 |
| oranginalab | I have placed in the same directory as EmbedDownloadMgr.cpp | 16:38 |
| timeless | oranginalab: fix it, that was my fault | 16:38 |
| timeless | i don't call xpidl manually that often | 16:38 |
| * timeless relies on a build system which does the work | 16:38 | |
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| timeless | it needs to be called nsIXPIProgressDialogn.h | 16:39 |
| timeless | anyway, w/ that in place, go back and see if the libgtkmozembed package builds | 16:39 |
| oranginalab | Ok. I have renamed it and I am trying to compile it. | 16:41 |
| |tbb| | How can i type lower case for the first character of a new sentence? Shift+character doesn't do the job | 16:41 |
| oranginalab | It is going to take a while. | 16:42 |
| oranginalab | We both should go for something to lunch. | 16:42 |
| oranginalab | I'll place my desktop under the tree and may be tomorrow I got a brand new libgtkmozembed library | 16:43 |
| timeless | heh | 16:44 |
| oranginalab | Merry Christmas, I'll keep you informed (if you don't mind) | 16:45 |
| timeless | i don't mind being informed, but i don't celebrate, i just starve | 16:45 |
| |tbb| | Anyone got an isea? | 16:45 |
| timeless | isea?? | 16:45 |
| |tbb| | Idea? | 16:45 |
| timeless | which keyboard? | 16:46 |
| timeless | hardware/n810? | 16:46 |
| |tbb| | Hardware 810 | 16:46 |
| timeless | does shift;x not do what you want? | 16:46 |
| |tbb| | Nope | 16:47 |
| timeless | this is in notes? | 16:47 |
| timeless | (notes is a nice sample app) | 16:47 |
| |tbb| | Its in pidgin right now | 16:47 |
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| derf | So why is dpkg-architecture returning arm instead of armel on my maemo3.2 target now? | 16:48 |
| timeless | oranginalab: oh | 16:50 |
| timeless | one note | 16:50 |
| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2152 | 16:50 |
| timeless | clearly says to include '-d' in the dpkg-buildpackage args | 16:50 |
| timeless | which is probably how everyone else ignores the builddeps issue | 16:50 |
| |tbb| | I have to disable do uppercase for new sentences in controlpanel i think. | 16:53 |
| * timeless frowns | 16:53 | |
| timeless | i'm pretty sure pressing shift once should work temporarily | 16:53 |
| |tbb| | Not in pidgin trust me | 16:54 |
| timeless | did you try notes? | 16:54 |
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| |tbb| | Is there something like switching open apps, like alt+tab (not the home button) | 16:55 |
| derf | Aha, the answer was I really wanted the debian-lenny devkit, not debian-sarge. | 16:55 |
| |tbb| | Timless notes also | 16:55 |
| oranginalab | I tried days ago to buiild microb-engine with -d flag and it failed | 16:55 |
| oranginalab | I can try to build microb-eal skipping builddeps but I don't think is going to work | 16:56 |
| timeless | organinalab: -d is to skip them because you've somehow satisfied them | 16:58 |
| timeless | it's not about actually not needing them :) | 16:58 |
| derf | Except, of course, that didn't work, either. | 16:58 |
| timeless | derf: task switching is done w/ task navigator or the home hardware key | 16:59 |
| timeless | are you thinking about a bluetooth keyboard? | 16:59 |
| timeless | because the default keyboard doesn't have anything like alt | 16:59 |
| timeless | or f1..f12 | 16:59 |
| timeless | from memory, some of the f keys are mapped to emulate the hardware buttons | 17:00 |
| timeless | of course, that's remapable w/ the bluetooth control panel applet | 17:00 |
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| oranginalab | Santa is not going to bring me a libgtkmozembed library | 17:02 |
| oranginalab | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277369 | 17:02 |
| oranginalab | Just the same error | 17:02 |
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| |tbb| | Timeless: any other idea? Is there a shortcut wiki for the hardware keyboard? Like app to fullscreen mode from keyboard not hitting special keys on another location | 17:10 |
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| timeless | the shortcuts on the hardware keyboard are very basic | 17:15 |
| oranginalab | I've tried to build microb-eal skipping builddeps with -d flag but it failed. So I'd rather concentrate on building libgtkmozembed first. | 17:15 |
| pupnik_ | timeless: are you like the main dude working on microb? | 17:17 |
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| timeless | for some very strange defintion | 17:17 |
| timeless | i don't usually build | 17:17 |
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| timeless | and the people here have access to the alternate depends | 17:17 |
| timeless | which means all sorts of bad things happen | 17:17 |
| timeless | the maemo-browser depend here being one of them | 17:18 |
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| timeless | romaxa is the main engineer i suppose | 17:19 |
| oranginalab | It's just me who have this problems to build microb? | 17:19 |
| timeless | each person seems to have a slightly different set of problems | 17:20 |
| timeless | but please file a bug about maemo-browser | 17:20 |
| timeless | that's just a bug | 17:20 |
| oranginalab | I mean if you know if other people is building the browser without problems | 17:20 |
| timeless | well, the people here have what's essentially a different build environment | 17:21 |
| timeless | and the people in mozilla land have different goals | 17:21 |
| timeless | given that doublec only filed one bug for build problems, i'd assume what he did was sufficient to get things to work | 17:22 |
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| alterego | I'm gonna try and build it in a while. | 17:25 |
| alterego | Is everyone after gtkmozembed? | 17:25 |
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| * timeless has no idea why | 17:26 | |
| timeless | organinalab: out of curiosity, why do you want to build it? | 17:26 |
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| Gemtech | seasons greeting i have a question about my new n800 and xmame | 17:27 |
| |tbb| | A2dp with nx00 is a way 2 go, ;( | 17:27 |
| oranginalab | alterego: Please, let me know if you achieve it | 17:27 |
| pupnik | greets Gemtech | 17:27 |
| alterego | Sure | 17:27 |
| timeless | oranginalab: i hope this channel hasn't proved too scary | 17:27 |
| alterego | It wont be for an hour or so. I need to install the SDK ;) | 17:27 |
| timeless | sorry i wasn't of more assistance | 17:27 |
| oranginalab | timeless: I want to rebuild it because i need to remove the tap & hold event | 17:27 |
| timeless | oh | 17:27 |
| pupnik | gentech, the answer is some roms require a particular version of xmame to run them | 17:27 |
| Gemtech | im getting unable to load rom...Im sure you heard this problem over and over again | 17:28 |
| pupnik | :) | 17:28 |
| Gemtech | old school game donkey kong | 17:28 |
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| alterego | sudo apt-get install sudo? That's not gonna work :D | 17:29 |
| oranginalab | I first modified GTK but only to discover that microb does not deal with GTk like the rest of apps | 17:29 |
| Gemtech | i have old arcade roms | 17:29 |
| oranginalab | timeless: I thank you very much for your effort and you patiente. | 17:29 |
| timeless | oraninalab: yeah, i remember that discussion in maemo-devel | 17:30 |
| * timeless sighs | 17:30 | |
| * timeless will be so glad to be able to stop thinking about libgtkmozembed | 17:30 | |
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| Gemtech | what version of xmame should i try? thanks for helping | 17:31 |
| oranginalab | Disgracefully, oranginlab can not stop thinking about libgtmozembed until somehow the tap&hold event vanishes | 17:31 |
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| oranginalab | alterego: I have to leave now but I would really thank you if you write me a line to tell me if you succeeded in building libgtkmozembed (and specially microb-eal package) | 17:35 |
| timeless | oranginalab: keep in mind that the channel log is indexed by google | 17:36 |
| timeless | but so far, i don't think alterego knows your email address | 17:36 |
| oranginalab | how do people share their e-mail through IRC? | 17:36 |
| macluvjay | register your nick with nickserv? | 17:37 |
| timeless | macluvjay: a url explaining that would be helpful | 17:37 |
| oranginalab | sure | 17:37 |
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| macluvjay | /win 1 | 17:38 |
| macluvjay | /msg nickserv help | 17:38 |
| macluvjay | for a start | 17:38 |
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| macluvjay | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration | 17:39 |
| oranginalab | thank you | 17:40 |
| macluvjay | :) | 17:41 |
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| Gemtech | ok so i have the original xmame. I launched from terminal xmame frooger and it says missing files what gives? | 17:51 |
| oranginalab | alterego: I have registered my nick. Can you see my e-mail or may be I need to relog | 17:51 |
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| astro76 | Gemtech, you need a romset appropriate for mame 0.58 | 18:02 |
| alterego | Email? What email? | 18:04 |
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| pupnik | N810 owner? Post your SD card read/write speeds here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11695 | 18:08 |
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| Gemtech | what version of xmame is anyone is using and what romset? | 18:18 |
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| khertan | Hi | 18:22 |
| oranginalab | alterego: I was trying to share my email with you because I would thank you if you tell me wether you succeed or not building libgtkmozembed (and microb-eal package) | 18:26 |
| alterego | oranginalab, pm it to me :) | 18:27 |
| oranginalab | I'm new at IRC. What do you mean by pm | 18:28 |
| alterego | private message. | 18:28 |
| alterego | type: /msg alterego blah blah | 18:29 |
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| alterego | Anyhow, I've almost finished installing the SDK, so it shouldn't be much longer :) | 18:29 |
| oranginalab | Then I will wait a while | 18:30 |
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| GNUton | re | 18:43 |
| alterego | Hmm, can't check out the fuggin' sources. | 18:46 |
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| oranginalab | Where are you trying to get microb sources | 18:48 |
| alterego | working now. | 18:48 |
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| kala_ | the scummvm on maemo cannot use virtual keyboard and you cannot do 'save-game in some games. anybody know the workaround? | 19:11 |
| alterego | There's a work around? | 19:13 |
| kala_ | I hope so :) | 19:13 |
| alterego | You presume so :P | 19:13 |
| kala_ | yeah. | 19:13 |
| kala_ | mother of all fuckups | 19:13 |
| kala_ | somebody have said | 19:13 |
| pupnik | ITOS keyboard doesn't work with sdl games. You need to use http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html | 19:14 |
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| pupnik | unless scummvm has builtin keyboard somewhere | 19:15 |
| kala_ | ok, I'll try that | 19:15 |
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| truent | alterego, hey the other day i asked if ruby-maemo was broken.. is it? | 19:19 |
| alterego | No | 19:19 |
| truent | is it just not revamped for chinook or what | 19:19 |
| truent | so its good to go? | 19:19 |
| alterego | you said you couldn't require conic. You're doing something wrong. | 19:19 |
| kala_ | or the bluetooth hardware keyboard. but usually, when you try to save the game, you don't have the keyboard on you | 19:19 |
| truent | damn i left it in the car | 19:19 |
| truent | alterego, you can? | 19:19 |
| truent | which version did you install of all that for os2008? | 19:20 |
| alterego | Of course | 19:20 |
| alterego | 0.4.0 | 19:20 |
| truent | i tried os2008 ver on your site didnt work if i remember right | 19:20 |
| alterego | So you didn't see the install file? | 19:21 |
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| truent | actually i think that is how i installed it | 19:22 |
| truent | the second time.. | 19:22 |
| alterego | Hmmm | 19:22 |
| truent | first time i tried os2008 no workee.. then i tried os2007 and it installed.. | 19:22 |
| truent | then i decided to try your .install.. so i removed the old .. .install'd and that worked | 19:22 |
| alterego | Then you're doing something _very_ wrong .. | 19:22 |
| truent | lol i left it in the car so i cant check | 19:23 |
| alterego | The install file installs the latest version. | 19:23 |
| alterego | Which does have a couple of bugs in it which I'm fixing. One is to do with conic but it wont stop it being required. | 19:23 |
| truent | mind you i tried it in irb | 19:23 |
| truent | not normal ruby | 19:23 |
| alterego | That's how I tried it. | 19:24 |
| truent | hmm | 19:24 |
| truent | okie welp i'll try again | 19:24 |
| truent | loved ruby on os2007 | 19:24 |
| truent | all three of us that use it | 19:24 |
| truent | thanks for your work for sure ;) | 19:24 |
| alterego | Three of you? :) | 19:24 |
| truent | i mean like there doesnt seem to be much demand for ruby | 19:25 |
| truent | plenty of python guys | 19:25 |
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| alterego | ls | 19:25 |
| truent | and you're still workin on it.. i applaud you ;p | 19:25 |
| alterego | :) | 19:26 |
| alterego | There are more ruby maemo users than you think ;) | 19:26 |
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| Jon | alright ladies/gents. Is the source of "sketch" on the Internet tablets part of the dev platform, or available elsewhere at all? | 19:26 |
| alterego | I know of at least 15 people. | 19:26 |
| truent | good stuff | 19:26 |
| Jon | oh bugger there's the door | 19:26 |
| truent | alterego, any chance we can get a compile of rubygems? | 19:27 |
| alterego | Nope | 19:27 |
| truent | what happened | 19:27 |
| alterego | rubygems doesn't run well, _very_ slow. | 19:27 |
| truent | os2008 or in general? | 19:27 |
| truent | i had some metasploit dude's compile of it for os2007.. so you could install/run metasploit's web interface | 19:28 |
| alterego | In general. | 19:28 |
| truent | that was super slow | 19:28 |
| alterego | It doesn't work well enough to bother with. But you should be able to install it yourself from the rubygems site quite easily. | 19:28 |
| truent | ok | 19:28 |
| truent | oh.. | 19:29 |
| truent | any progress on ruby-dbus? | 19:29 |
| alterego | That's my first priority right now. | 19:30 |
| alterego | Getting it to work with a glibc event loop. | 19:30 |
| truent | nice | 19:30 |
| truent | so one wouldnt need something like dbus-scripts | 19:31 |
| truent | you could do it all in ruby right? | 19:31 |
| alterego | Hopefully. | 19:31 |
| truent | thats awesome | 19:31 |
| alterego | Otherwise I'm gonna have to write a new dbus bindings :S | 19:31 |
| truent | heh | 19:31 |
| truent | well my c is a lil rusty otherwise i'd try and help | 19:32 |
| truent | and my ruby isnt even that good ;p | 19:32 |
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| truent | actually i guess ruby im ok.. | 19:33 |
| alterego | :) | 19:33 |
| truent | rails still makes me think some time | 19:33 |
| truent | s | 19:33 |
| alterego | Practice makes perfect. | 19:33 |
| truent | indeed.. i learned alot making a lil script for the n800 to connect to my blackjack phone | 19:33 |
| truent | i wanna get deeper though,.. not just a bunch of system calls to dbus-send | 19:34 |
| truent | i need something like what you're doing.. cuz i just wanna eventually be choosing a connection in the manager | 19:34 |
| truent | grab the signal.. and move from there.. turning everything on that needs to be | 19:35 |
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| truent | what i need to work on is the maemo part.. all the gui api stuff.. havent got into that at all yet | 19:35 |
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| alterego | truent, That unfortunately is ruby-maemo's strongest point :) | 19:44 |
| alterego | The Hildon Bindings are the best part. Well, that and OSSO. OSSO does have some okay dbus support. So you might be able to do your dbus stuff through there. | 19:44 |
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| alterego | Better than wrapping calls to the dbus-send executable. | 19:44 |
| alterego | Wow, the maemo repository is really broken pretty badly >:( | 19:45 |
| truent | alterego, oh yeah.. i havent been touching ruby-maemo yet.. its just ruby on the n800 for me so far | 19:47 |
| truent | but i wanna get into it soon | 19:47 |
| alterego | It's pretty fun. | 19:48 |
| alterego | And it's gonna keep getting better :) | 19:48 |
| truent | nice | 19:49 |
| oranginalab | alterego: I have to leave now. Would you be so kind to e-mail me if you succeed in building libgtkmozembed / microb-eal libraries? | 19:50 |
| truent | well once i learn, i'm gonna write your documentation ;p | 19:50 |
| alterego | oranginalab, it's building now. | 19:50 |
| alterego | truent, it'd be appreciated ;) | 19:50 |
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| alterego | oranginalab, if I'm successfull, I'll publish my method ;) | 19:53 |
| oranginalab | great | 19:55 |
| alterego | So far it's compiling okay. | 19:56 |
| alterego | This'll be handy, I can get ruby gtkmozembed working finally :) | 19:57 |
| alterego | And maybe do some playing with xul .. | 19:58 |
| oranginalab | you are now compiling libgtkmozembed. Will you try to also build microb-eal? | 19:58 |
| alterego | I'm compiling the engine now. | 19:59 |
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| alterego | I'll compile it all. | 19:59 |
| alterego | Though, probably not i10l .. | 20:00 |
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| FMZ | Are any of the Canola2 guys in? | 20:05 |
| truent | alterego, how are you compiling these things.. in a chinook scratchbox? | 20:06 |
| alterego | indeed | 20:07 |
| truent | nice | 20:07 |
| truent | i finally got mine to install yesterday | 20:07 |
| truent | all those repo probs | 20:07 |
| alterego | Yes, there are a few aren't there .. | 20:08 |
| truent | seems so | 20:08 |
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| oranginalab | I've tried to build microb-engine again | 20:20 |
| oranginalab | but it failed | 20:20 |
| oranginalab | again | 20:20 |
| oranginalab | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277585 | 20:21 |
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| penguinbait | yabbas? | 20:25 |
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| oranginalab | alterego: Did you finally succeed in building microb-engine? | 20:37 |
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| alterego | oranginalab, no, it appears my scratchbox install is _very_ broken. The maemo repos are seriously screwed so I'm attempting to fix it all :) | 20:57 |
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| trinket | Has anyone had trouble getting Adblock plus working? I'm not seeing the icon in the lower right corner. | 21:01 |
| oranginalab | alterego: What a shame! | 21:01 |
| oranginalab | Hope you can fix it | 21:01 |
| oranginalab | Please let me know if you succeed | 21:02 |
| oranginalab | Merry Christmas | 21:02 |
| liia | how to test whether the n810 gps works or not? | 21:05 |
| liia | that settings > control panel gps thingy should be able to get some coordinates? | 21:05 |
| liia | how long should it take? | 21:06 |
| liia | outdoors naturally | 21:06 |
| alterego | Maximum 5 minutes. | 21:06 |
| alterego | For a cold start. | 21:06 |
| liia | ok, didn't wait quite that long | 21:06 |
| liia | it was freezing outside :) | 21:06 |
| alterego | Leave it out there ;) | 21:06 |
| alterego | As long as it's not raining ^_^ | 21:06 |
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| liia | not so easy if you don't have your own yard :) | 21:08 |
| alterego | Meh, leave it on a window sill for five odd minutes then. | 21:10 |
| alterego | I don't know for sure, but the configuration thing you were talking about should tell you how many sats it sees. You need 3 for a 2D lock and 4 for a 3D lock. | 21:11 |
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| yabbas | penguinbait! | 21:12 |
| yabbas | merry christmas eve :) | 21:13 |
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| GNUro | Merry Christmas to you all | 21:14 |
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| alterego | This is bad. | 21:17 |
| alterego | I don't think I can install the SDK properly : | 21:17 |
| alterego | :/ | 21:17 |
| yabbas | why not? | 21:17 |
| alterego | The repository is really broken :/ | 21:18 |
| liia | alterego: yay, now it's working. inside, next to a window. just had to wait long enough. thanks | 21:18 |
| alterego | liia, no problem :) | 21:18 |
| yabbas | alterego, know how that feels :( | 21:18 |
| alterego | Maybe I could get them manually :/ | 21:19 |
| |tbb| | Trinket: same here with addblock | 21:21 |
| alterego | Kind of a crappy time for them to be broken. Now I lose out on all the Christmas hacking I could be doing :( | 21:21 |
| yabbas | hmmm, do links on the application menu run in user privs, or can they be elevated to root privs? | 21:22 |
| alterego | You can setuid the executable. But be careful of that. | 21:22 |
| yabbas | well - I want to create an insmod link on the menu | 21:23 |
| yabbas | do-able? | 21:23 |
| alterego | If it's something that simple. Add an item to sudoers. | 21:23 |
| yabbas | all this user privs stuff in linux is new to me - got a link to something I ought to read please? :) | 21:24 |
| alterego | google.com ? :P | 21:24 |
| alterego | You're looking for /etc/sudoers. | 21:24 |
| alterego | The command is called 'sudo' so googling for those would be good. | 21:24 |
| yabbas | doesn't that specify user rights added to sudoers? :P not commandline apps? | 21:25 |
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| alterego | I wouldn't have suggested it if it wasn't appropriate yabbas. | 21:25 |
| yabbas | so, elevate user privs to sudoers - menu item = sudo insmod insteas | 21:26 |
| yabbas | *instead | 21:26 |
| alterego | No | 21:26 |
| * yabbas sighs and googles. | 21:26 | |
| alterego | Add an item to sudoers that allows the user 'user' to execute `modprobe module_name`. | 21:27 |
| |tbb| | Where can i see if addblock works? | 21:27 |
| alterego | Then you're script, program, whatever can run that. | 21:27 |
| yabbas | ko | 21:27 |
| alterego | yabbas, you're specifically looking for adding a rule that doesn't require a password ;) | 21:28 |
| alterego | You could probably guess how to do it by just looking at the file yourself ;) | 21:28 |
| yabbas | alterego, I see it, cheers :) | 21:28 |
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| alterego | I think I'm just going to give up and wait for them to fix it. | 21:29 |
| alterego | There's a possibility I could copy over my scratchbox installation from my laptops hard drive. | 21:29 |
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| skibur | BAH! HUMBUG! | 21:33 |
| celesteh | hahaha | 21:33 |
| skibur | lol | 21:33 |
| skibur | When was the last time you've heard that? | 21:33 |
| celesteh | this morning, but i live with grumpy people | 21:33 |
| skibur | Now thats... BAH! HUMBUG! | 21:34 |
| skibur | :P | 21:35 |
| celesteh | heh | 21:35 |
| skibur | brb | 21:36 |
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| kbsingh | hey guys, have a good holiday season.. make much noise | 21:47 |
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| |tbb| | Is there a vncserver for os2008 available? | 22:09 |
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| legind | any vnc server available for chinook yet? | 22:39 |
| kbsingh | vncserver ? | 22:40 |
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| tontsa | there's client.. why would you want vncserver | 22:40 |
| tontsa | use X forwarding :) | 22:40 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 22:41 |
| kbsingh | nxclient would be nice | 22:42 |
| * kbsingh sets reminder to poke gw | 22:42 | |
| kbsingh | btw, claws-mail on n810 is really good. | 22:42 |
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| guardian | ah great | 23:03 |
| guardian | i was installing chinook sdk | 23:03 |
| guardian | in the middle of maintenance :( | 23:03 |
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| liia | how to get that virtual keyboard in xterm? it had something to do with tapping the cursor but that does not seem to work now | 23:11 |
| tontsa | you need to enable the tap keyboard in all apps to get it | 23:12 |
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| liia | ah, my co-nerd enabled that one to the previous flash, had no idea such setting existed :) | 23:16 |
| liia | shared toys not working ;) | 23:16 |
| liia | thanks. | 23:16 |
| aloisiojr | hi all any idea when the extras repo will be available again ? | 23:28 |
| * aloisiojr wish marry Xmas to everyone | 23:28 | |
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| yabbas | right ... for .desktop entries - where would you store the icon? /usr/share/pixmaps/ or usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/ ? | 23:46 |
| yabbas | if in icons/hicolor - should I provide icons for all other resolutions? 26x26, 32x32, 64x64, etc - or does hildon automagically resize them when needed? | 23:47 |
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| skibur | ok I'm back | 23:56 |
| skibur | so has OS2009 come out? :P | 23:57 |
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| Jiten | I think OS2009 is due next year. | 23:57 |
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