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| timelyx | ok, i think i have enough of chinook that people should be able to try using my repository | 00:03 |
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| timelyx | be sure to change /etc/hosts | 00:03 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: the links in the mxr directory browse want to put a /mxr-test/ element in the path | 00:05 |
| ol_schoola | timelyx: do i need to make any changes to my repo entries in sources or just reroute the dns? | 00:06 |
| crafton | ifconfig is on nettools package, no? I'm trying to install nettools, and gets a conflict with busybox :S | 00:07 |
| timelyx | just reroute dns | 00:07 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: oops, one sec | 00:07 |
| timelyx | try again | 00:07 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: if the default link for maemo and garage is trunk, what is it for chinook and sardine? (that is, the parentheticals look different) | 00:07 |
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| kbsingh | timelyx: how are you setting it up ? apt-mirror ? | 00:08 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: now it ate the host :) | 00:08 |
| kbsingh | also, url :D | 00:08 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: um... | 00:08 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: i.e. I got to http://maemo/source/contrib/ :) | 00:08 |
| timelyx | kbsingh: wget :) | 00:08 |
| timelyx | sp3000: hrm... | 00:08 |
| kbsingh | timelyx: humm... that might work, but its not going to do any verify | 00:09 |
| timelyx | reload | 00:09 |
| timelyx | kbsingh: yeah, i know | 00:09 |
| timelyx | it's not really designed as a long term thing | 00:09 |
| timelyx | or designed at all for that matter :) | 00:09 |
| sp3000 | works | 00:09 |
| sp3000 | http://mxr.maemo.org/icons/folder.gif ? | 00:09 |
| timelyx | yeah um... | 00:09 |
| timelyx | one sec | 00:10 |
| timelyx | oh | 00:10 |
| timelyx | duh | 00:10 |
| timelyx | fixed | 00:11 |
| ol_schoola | hah! isearch just installed from app mgr, billiant | 00:11 |
| timelyx | hrm, no, hacked | 00:11 |
| ol_schoola | so did maemopadplus | 00:12 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: using standard repo, or my clone? | 00:13 |
| ol_schoola | apt-get-update gives a 404 not found for r.m.o/extras tho | 00:13 |
| kbsingh | timelyx: whats your clone url ? | 00:13 |
| timelyx | echo 66.33.212.254 mxr.maemo.org repository.maemo.org >> /etc/hosts | 00:13 |
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| ol_schoola | timelyx: your clone ... 66.33.212.254 | 00:14 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: ok, hold on | 00:14 |
| * timelyx goes to look | 00:14 | |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: what's log say? | 00:15 |
| * timelyx doesn't know what it doesn't like | 00:15 | |
| timelyx | i could check access/error log i suppose | 00:15 |
| ol_schoola | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 00:15 |
| ol_schoola | hmm, rsync must be in there, not found by app mgr | 00:16 |
| timelyx | hrm, yeah non-free isn't in dists/, odd | 00:16 |
| timelyx | gimme a bit to get non-free and install | 00:17 |
| ol_schoola | otherwise, it looks good. i'm loading apps like a fool, scummvm just made it | 00:17 |
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| ol_schoola | this is gonna be one fluster-clucked tablet. built using the chatonka temp and timelyx's hacked repos | 00:18 |
| timelyx | i can actually try to make a .deb to add / remove my things :) | 00:18 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: my repos should be relatively harmless | 00:18 |
| timelyx | chatonka's otoh is certainly a risk :) | 00:18 |
| kbsingh | as long as you can set the repo metadata live really low, it should be fine | 00:18 |
| ol_schoola | i'm not worried bout them, just the chatonka's ;) | 00:18 |
| timelyx | i think the only risk you get w/ mine is that it suggests a .deb it doesn't have yet | 00:19 |
| timelyx | and i'll probably add a script that parses logs looking for those and just grabs them :) | 00:19 |
| ol_schoola | kbsingh: "set the repo metadata live really low" what does that mean? | 00:19 |
| timelyx | i might even make it so that there's a button you can press on the server "please fix broken items" :) | 00:19 |
| timelyx | s/live/life ? | 00:19 |
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| timelyx | ok, non-free should work, give it a whirl? | 00:20 |
| ol_schoola | ah, how do i adjust that? i come from redhat world | 00:20 |
| timelyx | i think that might be a note to me | 00:20 |
| timelyx | and i wouldn't have a clue :) | 00:20 |
| ol_schoola | apt-get update picks it up | 00:21 |
| timelyx | ok, who wants to be the victim of a .deb? :) | 00:21 |
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| timelyx | this should be loads of fun :) | 00:21 |
| kbsingh | ol_schoola: timelyx isnt using a apt-mirror process, things are going to get very interesting when the real repos come alive and you change over back there | 00:21 |
| timelyx | kbsingh: why? | 00:22 |
| kbsingh | and the metadata for the same repo, is different with the packages still having the same md5's | 00:22 |
| ol_schoola | i'm fully prepared ;) | 00:22 |
| timelyx | he runs apt-get update | 00:22 |
| timelyx | shouldn't it fix things up? | 00:22 |
| kbsingh | it should yes | 00:22 |
| kbsingh | but you need to do that, and remember that :D | 00:22 |
| kbsingh | actually, not update | 00:22 |
| ol_schoola | regardless, i have umpteen python pkgs from chatonka that are gonna choke the depsolver next time they are a dependency | 00:23 |
| kbsingh | you need to clean it out first, then refresh the entire thing | 00:23 |
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| kbsingh | otherwise its going to only look at timestamp and ignore stuff | 00:23 |
| timelyx | yeah, the stuff from chatonka's going to be a much bigger problem | 00:23 |
| ol_schoola | that was my fear. no worries, i'm not afraid to break out the nokia cable and nuke from orbit | 00:23 |
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| fnordianslippers | thaat's gonna upset a lot of | 00:24 |
| ol_schoola | timelyx: bring on the .deb! this tablet hasn't keeled over yet | 00:24 |
| fnordianslippers | sheep from itT | 00:24 |
| ol_schoola | fnordianslippers: indeed | 00:24 |
| ol_schoola | was the temp repo posted ther? | 00:24 |
| fnordianslippers | yep | 00:25 |
| ol_schoola | oh my. there will be much gnashing and wailing | 00:25 |
| kbsingh | given the number of people involved and the size of the community around maemo now, i am sure there needs to be a more robust mechanism to handle this sort of a thing | 00:25 |
| fnordianslippers | i resisted the urge out of paranoia, not wisdom | 00:26 |
| ol_schoola | um, i think they need to start with A mechanism. what they got doesn't seem to be worthy of that description | 00:26 |
| ol_schoola | mechanism implies a complex tool (or series of such) which make a difficult task easier | 00:27 |
| ol_schoola | what they have has done the opposite | 00:27 |
| kbsingh | its not really all that difficult | 00:28 |
| kbsingh | the problem has been solved many times, by many people, in many projects | 00:28 |
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| ol_schoola | oh, well. such is life on the bleeding edge. too bad for all the joe sixpacks that just bought these things and don't even know what a command line is | 00:28 |
| kbsingh | yea | 00:29 |
| * kbsingh thinks of beer | 00:29 | |
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| ol_schoola | true, this is a young project. i remember how scattered the mythtv community was five years ago when i jumped in and how it has evolved to a well oiled machine | 00:31 |
| * ol_schoola refers to the community | 00:31 | |
| pupnik | python = ruby = java = visual basic | 00:32 |
| * pupnik ducks | 00:32 | |
| Jaffa | C FTW? | 00:33 |
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| mgedmin | s/=/>/ | 00:33 |
| * mgedmin ducks | 00:33 | |
| pupnik | :) furevah! | 00:33 |
| mgedmin | s/=/>/g | 00:33 |
| pupnik | they all have their place | 00:34 |
| Jaffa | Meh. Java's rich class library, number of other projects and really cool tooling (whether Eclipse, NetBeans, IDEa, or whatever) makes it the "best" platform overall IMHO. But pupnik's right, and I still do most of my hacking in Perl :) | 00:35 |
| ol_schoola | is it just my befouled os install or are other people having the app mgr just shit the bed whenever it wants? | 00:35 |
| shackan | pupnik: they all do, but people writing apps like mythtv and miro in python deserve to be shot | 00:35 |
| Jaffa | ol_schoola: repository.maemo.org is broken. | 00:36 |
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| ol_schoola | Jaffa: i'm aware, even with the r.m.o repos disabled, app mgr just craps out for no good reason | 00:37 |
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| Jaffa | ol_schoola: ah. | 00:37 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: ok | 00:37 |
| fnordianslippers | it's died on me after an install occasionally | 00:37 |
| ol_schoola | shackan: most of myth is c++, next would be perl scripts, little python at all | 00:37 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 00:38 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: keep in mind, this might destroy your computer :) | 00:38 |
| shackan | ol_schoola: mmmm, ok, just miro then :D | 00:38 |
| * timelyx isn't testing at all :) | 00:38 | |
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| ol_schoola | timelyx: exactly what is this deb do? | 00:38 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1/DEBIAN/ | 00:38 |
| timelyx | is the entire deb | 00:39 |
| timelyx | feel free to read and tell me to correct before you try to use it :) | 00:39 |
| timelyx | ideally it adds/removes an entry in /etc/hosts for mxr.maemo.org | 00:39 |
| crafton | what exactly are you trying for? any forum/blog post explaining this? | 00:39 |
| timelyx | i'll create an identical one for repository.maemo.org | 00:39 |
| shackan | isn't the $(pkgroot)/debian/ folder lowercase usually? | 00:39 |
| crafton | seems interesting | 00:39 |
| timelyx | shackan: if you use the more powerful deb builders, yes | 00:39 |
| timelyx | if you use dpkg-deb, no | 00:40 |
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| ol_schoola | timelyx: like i would know what i'm looking at? maemo is my first deb-based distro ;) | 00:40 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: postinst and postrm are shell scripts | 00:40 |
| timelyx | they are run by root | 00:40 |
| timelyx | the scripts could just as easily be tested in any other busybox shell | 00:41 |
| ol_schoola | i see em, but wouldn't know what a properly written one would look like | 00:41 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: give it a whirl ;) | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | looks vaguely right to me, but I've not looked closely | 00:41 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: postrm should probably enforce its postcondition, not fail if it already applies | 00:41 |
| timelyx | sp3000: hrm, you mean happily quit if there's no line at all? | 00:42 |
| ol_schoola | mmmm, what's the dpkg command again? | 00:42 |
| sp3000 | right | 00:42 |
| timelyx | sp3000: ok | 00:42 |
| ol_schoola | -i ? | 00:42 |
| timelyx | yeah | 00:42 |
| timelyx | but you could just click the link from the browser | 00:42 |
| timelyx | it should offer to open w/ application manager | 00:43 |
| ol_schoola | dpkg: error processing http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb (--install): | 00:43 |
| ol_schoola | cannot access archive: No such file or directory | 00:43 |
| ol_schoola | Errors were encountered while processing: | 00:43 |
| ol_schoola | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 00:43 |
| timelyx | dpkg -i takes a local file :) | 00:43 |
| * ol_schoola blushes | 00:43 | |
| timelyx | it's ok | 00:43 |
| timelyx | you have to be new at least once | 00:43 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: | 00:44 |
| sp3000 | $ cat > argh | 00:44 |
| sp3000 | foo bar | 00:44 |
| sp3000 | goat pr0n | 00:44 |
| sp3000 | $ XE argh | 00:44 |
| sp3000 | $ contents=`cat argh` | 00:44 |
| sp3000 | $ echo $contents | 00:45 |
| sp3000 | foo bar goat pr0n | 00:45 |
| sp3000 | $ echo "$contents" | 00:45 |
| sp3000 | foo bar | 00:45 |
| timelyx | ooops, that's bad | 00:45 |
| sp3000 | goat pr0n | 00:45 |
| sp3000 | eh, ignore $ XE argh | 00:45 |
| ol_schoola | timeless: it barfed because i only commented out the old entry, i'll remove and retry | 00:45 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: don't use it | 00:45 |
| timelyx | right now sp3000 found a bug | 00:45 |
| ol_schoola | roger dodger | 00:46 |
| timelyx | sp3000: ok, adding quotes (need to finishthe other complaint) | 00:46 |
| timelyx | sp3000: test ! -z "" ? | 00:49 |
| sp3000 | test "" | 00:49 |
| timelyx | but if i need negation, is that how? | 00:49 |
| timelyx | (seems to work) | 00:49 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: ok, try agian | 00:50 |
| timelyx | s/ia/ai/ | 00:50 |
| infobot | timelyx meant: ol_schoola: ok, try again | 00:50 |
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| halley | [ ! -z "" ] && echo nonzero | 00:50 |
| halley | [ ! -z "stuff" ] && echo nonzero | 00:51 |
| timelyx | halley: i don't have busybox handy :) | 00:51 |
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| ekim|dt-linux | How do you install os2007 hacker edition onto your mmc card | 00:52 |
| timelyx | ekim|dt-linux: read the wiki? | 00:53 |
| ekim|dt-linux | link ? | 00:53 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: status? :) | 00:54 |
| * timelyx wants to sleep | 00:54 | |
| ol_schoola | http://pastebin.ca/829125 | 00:54 |
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| ol_schoola | i'd just installed the original version as you warned me not to | 00:55 |
| ol_schoola | dunno if that what all the post install complaining is about | 00:55 |
| kbsingh | ol_schoola: might be worth checking what script is failing | 00:56 |
| fnordianslippers | ekim|dt-linux: search itT for 'cloning' | 00:56 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: try using pastebin.mozilla.org (it's generally faster than pastebin.ca), can you pastebin /etc/hosts ? | 00:56 |
| ol_schoola | kbsingh: little guidance? run dpkg with verbosity? | 00:56 |
| dick-richardson | is there a way around the corrupted .debs on maemo extras? | 00:57 |
| dick-richardson | download them directly? | 00:57 |
| timelyx | dick-richardson: i think my repository might work for you | 00:57 |
| timelyx | if you don't mind temporarily using something unofficial :) | 00:57 |
| ol_schoola | ~# more /etc/hosts127.0.0.1 Nokia-N800-50-2 localhost | 00:57 |
| timelyx | echo 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org >> /etc/hosts | 00:58 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: set -e; dummy=`false` | 00:58 |
| ol_schoola | nothing else | 00:58 |
| dick-richardson | timelyx: not at all | 00:58 |
| ekim|dt-linux | is it required that I have two partitions , one fat and one linux | 00:58 |
| ekim|dt-linux | because I have linux , I can read linux filesystems | 00:58 |
| timelyx | ekim|dt-linux: i think the fat is designed to enable you to get normal usb mass storage behavior | 00:59 |
| ekim|dt-linux | it is | 00:59 |
| ekim|dt-linux | but I never use it | 00:59 |
| ekim|dt-linux | so I want to save myself the trouble | 00:59 |
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| timelyx | have fun :) | 00:59 |
| K`zan | Anyone got terraserver maps going with maemo mapper? | 00:59 |
| timelyx | sp3000: sorry, what's that mean to me? :) | 01:00 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: that FOUNDDNS=`fgrep "$SERVER" $VICTIM 2>/dev/null` may exit | 01:00 |
| timelyx | may exit? | 01:01 |
| sp3000 | if fgrep fails, it exits due to -e | 01:01 |
| ol_schoola | after echo'ing into hosts and installing your pkg, i get http://pastebin.mozilla.org/275130 | 01:01 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: and what's in /etc/hosts ? | 01:01 |
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| ol_schoola | 127.0.0.1 Nokia-N800-50-2 localhost | 01:02 |
| ol_schoola | 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org | 01:02 |
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| timelyx | can you change that last line to have 3 spaces instead of 1? | 01:03 |
| ol_schoola | instead of which 1 space | 01:03 |
| ol_schoola | ? | 01:03 |
| ol_schoola | or which linbe has the single space i should replace? | 01:04 |
| ol_schoola | lne | 01:04 |
| timelyx | 66.33.212.254_ repository.maemo.org | 01:04 |
| timelyx | the space there | 01:04 |
| * timelyx should probably use 1 space instead since it seems nokia does | 01:04 | |
| ol_schoola | same as before | 01:04 |
| timelyx | sp3000: so, i should remove the set -e line? | 01:05 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: note "repository" != "mxr" | 01:05 |
| timelyx | sp3000: oh, heh | 01:06 |
| timelyx | "doh" | 01:06 |
| timelyx | duly noted <now> | 01:06 |
| sp3000 | "maybe" | 01:06 |
| sp3000 | or sprinkle || true where appropriate | 01:07 |
| sp3000 | interesting, false && meep= doesn't die | 01:08 |
| sp3000 | -e is confusing :) | 01:08 |
| timelyx | what does -e generally do? | 01:09 |
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| sp3000 | Exit immediately if a simple command exits non-zero, except if a while until if testm or part of a && || list, or !ed | 01:11 |
| sp3000 | but false || false does die | 01:11 |
| sp3000 | I guess being part of the list means not being last | 01:11 |
| timelyx | ok, so basically there's no reason for me to use it in my scripts | 01:12 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: ok, grab the deb again | 01:13 |
| timelyx | sorry, for the delay | 01:13 |
| timelyx | sp3000: should i switch to 1 space? | 01:13 |
| sp3000 | heh | 01:14 |
| sp3000 | that one's too hard :) | 01:14 |
| * timelyx siwtches | 01:14 | |
| timelyx | s/iw/wi/ | 01:14 |
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| hrw | morning | 01:16 |
| hrw | someone has idea when bugs.maemo.org will work? | 01:16 |
| timelyx | ? | 01:16 |
| timelyx | define work? | 01:16 |
| hrw | Can't connect to the database. | 01:16 |
| hrw | Error: Too many connections | 01:16 |
| timelyx | seems to work for me | 01:16 |
| hrw | thats what I have | 01:16 |
| timelyx | ok | 01:16 |
| timelyx | [sanjay]$ ssh bugs.maemo.org | 01:17 |
| timelyx | Last login: Thu Nov 29 11:00:31 2007 from 208.97.190.14 | 01:17 |
| timelyx | (bugs_and_lists)timeless@maemo-midgard:~$ | 01:17 |
| ol_schoola | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# dpkg -i mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb dpkg: status database area is locked by another process | 01:17 |
| ol_schoola | Nokia-N800-50-2:~# dpkg -i mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 01:17 |
| ol_schoola | (Reading database ... 20293 files and directories currently installed.) | 01:17 |
| ol_schoola | Preparing to replace mxr-maemo-org-dns 0.1 (using mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb) ... | 01:17 |
| ol_schoola | Unpacking replacement mxr-maemo-org-dns ... | 01:17 |
| ol_schoola | Could not find 66.33.212.254 mxr.maemo.org in /etc/hosts | 01:17 |
| fnordianslippers | lol. too many bugs | 01:17 |
| ol_schoola | dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 1 | 01:17 |
| ol_schoola | dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... | 01:17 |
| ol_schoola | Could not find mxr.maemo.org in /etc/hosts | 01:17 |
| ol_schoola | dpkg: ... it looks like that went OK. | 01:17 |
| ol_schoola | Setting up mxr-maemo-org-dns (0.1) ... | 01:17 |
| hrw | time to check how many bugs I have reported and close all | 01:17 |
| ol_schoola | sorry folks, the last pastepin ctrl-c didn't take | 01:17 |
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| ol_schoola | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/ | 01:18 |
| ol_schoola | here's the new host file http://pastebin.mozilla.org/275158 | 01:19 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola, =) | 01:19 |
| timelyx | ok, fix the repository line to use 1 space instead | 01:19 |
| timelyx | and try to install/uninstall the repository deb | 01:20 |
| timelyx | it's next to the mxr deb | 01:20 |
| hrw | ok, time to say bye - maybe will be back when n820 will (if ever) be released | 01:20 |
| timelyx | sp3000: should it be possible to install a deb when the exact line is already present? | 01:20 |
| * timelyx guesses it should ... | 01:20 | |
| solmumaha | hrw: openzaurus developer? | 01:21 |
| sp3000 | probably install+uninstall should be noop | 01:21 |
| sp3000 | so I guess ...no? | 01:21 |
| hrw | solmumaha: some time ago yes. then openzaurus maintainer | 01:21 |
| solmumaha | switching to maemo? :) | 01:22 |
| hrw | solmumaha: and I officially ended that project in favour of Ångström distribution | 01:22 |
| hrw | solmumaha: never! | 01:22 |
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| hrw | solmumaha: after playing with 770 I saw enough to be scared off maemo. dependencies hell, lack of feeds, lack of locale support | 01:22 |
| hrw | solmumaha: lack of any way to buy maemo powered devices makes me switching off too | 01:23 |
| solmumaha | well 770 isn't really top notch | 01:23 |
| hrw | I know | 01:24 |
| hrw | but thats what I have and there is no way to buy n800 or n810 in Poland | 01:24 |
| solmumaha | have you tried hacker edition? | 01:25 |
| hrw | and it looks like there are no plans to change it at 'n' company | 01:25 |
| hrw | solmumaha: tried. sorry to say but os2007he is crap compared to os2006 on 770 | 01:25 |
| timelyx | ok, there are ~12 mysqld's running | 01:26 |
| hrw | solmumaha: shorter battery life, too often user gets hit by "o.. you have 64M instead of 128M" | 01:26 |
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| Screaming | I propose Timelyx gets the "Hohoho-Father Xmas Beard Award" from the Internet Tablet community for his stalwart work in mirroring the repos. Among other charming things he has done for us all this year. | 01:26 |
| solmumaha | yes, 770 is nothing like n8x0, way too underpowered | 01:27 |
| hrw | solmumaha: yes, I heard that too many times | 01:27 |
| Screaming | Do I hear a seconder? | 01:27 |
| solmumaha | but hardware wise they are so much better than zaurus' | 01:27 |
| hrw | solmumaha: from my pov 770 should be not released | 01:27 |
| ol_schoola | seconded | 01:27 |
| ol_schoola | hasn;t even exploded yet with the bad canola temp metadata | 01:28 |
| Screaming | Thanx ol_schoola! | 01:28 |
| hrw | solmumaha: and from software side (when zaurus gets openzaurus installed) its when 770 loose | 01:28 |
| ol_schoola | K`zan: i got terraserver working just now, what ya need? | 01:29 |
| solmumaha | hrw: i beg to differ | 01:29 |
| K`zan | ol_schoola: Kind of confused about it, the respository I found was bad and apparently I need some other app for that to be able to work? | 01:29 |
| fnordianslippers | 3rded | 01:29 |
| hrw | solmumaha: os2006 reminded me dependencies hell which I last time had in redhat 5.x times | 01:30 |
| timelyx | ok, have fun w/ those debs | 01:30 |
| hrw | solmumaha: 'to install x you need y' but y is not in feeds | 01:30 |
| hrw | etc | 01:30 |
| ol_schoola | you need to have proj installed | 01:30 |
| Screaming | Ditto fnordian | 01:30 |
| K`zan | ol_schoola: Checking now, thanks. | 01:31 |
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| solmumaha | hrw: k, can agree on that, but after you add all the necessary repositories, it's really not a problem | 01:31 |
| K`zan | ol_schoola: OK, found and installed proj, when I add repository, what URL should I use? | 01:32 |
| ol_schoola | http://www.terraserver-usa.com/ogcmap6.ashx?VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=DRG&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:4326&BBOX=%.6f,%.6f,%.6f,%.6f&WIDTH=256&HEIGHT=288&FORMAT=image/jpeg&BGCOLOR=0xCCCCCC&EXCEPTIONS=INIMAGE | 01:32 |
| hrw | solmumaha: but why device cames without them preconfigured then? | 01:32 |
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| K`zan | http://www.terraserver-usa.com/ogcmap6.ashx?VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&LAYERS=DRG&STYLES=&SRS=EPSG:4326&BBOX=%.6f,%.6f,%.6f,%.6f&WIDTH=256&HEIGHT=288&FORMAT=image/jpeg&BGCOLOR=0xCCCCCC&EXCEPTIONS=INIMAGE | 01:33 |
| timelyx | hrw: the various repositories spring up like mushrooms | 01:33 |
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| hrw | timelyx: variuos yes. maemo ones are too often mentioned as 'required' and are not added by default | 01:34 |
| K`zan | ol_schoola: Thank you sir, giving it a go now. | 01:34 |
| ol_schoola | imho, there ought to be Nokia's official repo, and then ONE other repo | 01:34 |
| timelyx | and by default nokia wanted people not to have software that wasn't ... | 01:34 |
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| K`zan | ol_schoola: It works, thank you again Sir! | 01:37 |
| ol_schoola | K`zan: glad to help | 01:37 |
| ol_schoola | hmmm, my shell host allows me 2Gb transfer/month with there caching proxy | 01:38 |
| ol_schoola | their | 01:38 |
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| hrw | bye | 01:39 |
| solmumaha | bye | 01:40 |
| ol_schoola | err 200Gb. that would be sufficient to host a repo YA THINK? | 01:40 |
| ol_schoola | sry for caps | 01:40 |
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| dick-richardson | how do you change the default cli text editor at boot? | 01:41 |
| timelyx | what do you mean default editor? | 01:41 |
| timelyx | EDITOR= ? | 01:41 |
| dick-richardson | yeah, I'm trying to set it to nano, but it won't stick | 01:41 |
| dick-richardson | sudo visudo still opens vi. i HATE vi | 01:42 |
| sp3000 | hrm | 01:42 |
| timelyx | visudo would open vi, no? | 01:42 |
| * sp3000 hopes hrw isn't going on some mass change rampage like he's the oly one who cares about his bugs | 01:42 | |
| dick-richardson | I had changed it before...just unable to remember how | 01:43 |
| sp3000 | unless I misunderstood | 01:43 |
| ol_schoola | visudo will always open vi, iirc | 01:43 |
| timelyx | sp3000: bugs.maemo.org seems to be wedged | 01:43 |
| timelyx | there are ~12mysqld processes floating around | 01:43 |
| dick-richardson | it didn't before reflashing | 01:43 |
| timelyx | you can't load bugs | 01:43 |
| sp3000 | yeah, it's been a bit wedgey on and off | 01:43 |
| sp3000 | dick-richardson: usually you export EDITOR in a shell rc file | 01:44 |
| sp3000 | visudo will or won't care about it depending on a bunch of things, try parsing that manual :) | 01:47 |
| * timelyx sighs | 01:48 | |
| ccooke | repos still broken, I see. | 01:48 |
| pupnik | time to think about things besides maemo | 01:48 |
| timelyx | there are 109 chinook packages that my server needs to re-retrieve and there are ~100 files in a queue before that | 01:48 |
| timelyx | ccooke: you're free to try http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 01:49 |
| Screaming | Behold the power of 40,000 people. They can get whatever they want if they all hit the Nokia server at once. | 01:49 |
| timelyx | Screaming: i think 40 are sufficient :) | 01:49 |
| Screaming | I thought nokia hhad akamai on the joob. | 01:50 |
| Screaming | s/oo o | 01:50 |
| kbsingh | Screaming: they do | 01:50 |
| kbsingh | and i dont think the servers are broken or anything, something in the content is bad one some machines | 01:51 |
| Screaming | Ditto that kbsingh | 01:51 |
| kbsingh | s/d one s/d on s/ | 01:52 |
| infobot | kbsingh meant: and i dont think the servers are broken or anything, something in the content is bad on some machines | 01:52 |
| kbsingh | fscking bots | 01:52 |
| Screaming | leave off the last / | 01:53 |
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| kbsingh | well, i am more of an rpm person myself, or i'd help get together a one maemo deb repo | 01:54 |
| kbsingh | so there werent like a hundred repos out there, and people could really just feed and manage 1 external repo | 01:54 |
| timelyx | kbsingh: i really don't have enough space to host a grand unified | 01:55 |
| kbsingh | timelyx: i do | 01:55 |
| Screaming | Um, kbsingh: I think my N800 would fry if I even tried one | 01:56 |
| timelyx | kbsingh: and bandwidth? | 01:56 |
| kbsingh | there's plenty of that as well timelyx | 01:56 |
| ccooke | whee! installing bash looks to be a bad idea | 01:56 |
| timelyx | how do you deal w/ conflicts? | 01:57 |
| kbsingh | timelyx: b/w is easily organised, a mirror network can be put together fairly easily | 01:57 |
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| kbsingh | Screaming: you mean the repo density would get too high for apt to handle ? | 01:57 |
| timelyx | kbsingh: by default apt has a limit on the number of packages for its tiny little mind | 01:57 |
| kbsingh | timelyx: surely thats apt on maemo ? | 01:58 |
| kbsingh | and what is that number anyway ? | 01:58 |
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| Screaming | kbsingh, I mean it can't even manage fullscreen videos. | 01:59 |
| Screaming | If i try and mirror a repo Im dead. | 01:59 |
| kbsingh | err... | 01:59 |
| timelyx | kbsingh: my apt on non maemo has a small default too | 02:00 |
| timelyx | you can reconfigure the number | 02:00 |
| timelyx | but at a certain point you have to worry about ram | 02:00 |
| kbsingh | debian would be up shit creek if that number was too low | 02:01 |
| timelyx | or worse | 02:01 |
| timelyx | disk space? | 02:01 |
| kbsingh | if a community can be organised around the idea, and have a few people who help manage and tool the project, i can provide about 200 gigs on a 100mbps link as a master, and offer a mirror to that in the .us and another in .de | 02:02 |
| kbsingh | i doubt the maemo repo is > 200 gigs, or even likely to be in the near future | 02:03 |
| Vulcanis | Now that you said that, people will make it that large. | 02:03 |
| Vulcanis | Just to spite you. | 02:03 |
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| timelyx | heh | 02:03 |
| kbsingh | Vulcanis: that can only be a good thing :D | 02:03 |
| Vulcanis | Kb: Agreed. Gogo. | 02:04 |
| kbsingh | anyway, drives are cheap. the main issue is to get enough open source mirrors to rsync and host it. | 02:04 |
| timelyx | mozilla.org actually offered mirror capacity to maemo.org | 02:05 |
| Screaming | And Nokia refused I guess? | 02:05 |
| timelyx | well, i think the most important piece was the flash images | 02:06 |
| timelyx | and that has some legalisms that prevent it | 02:06 |
| timelyx | in fact, the legalisms pose some interesting problems for people who own more than one device | 02:06 |
| timelyx | at least, as far as sp3000 and I could determine | 02:06 |
| kbsingh | timelyx: humm...stuff like that can get tricky. | 02:06 |
| timelyx | (we are not lawyers) | 02:06 |
| Screaming | Bl*ody lawyers! | 02:06 |
| kbsingh | but, an open mirror need not carry that sort of stuff. | 02:06 |
| kbsingh | those kind of bits can stay on the nokia paid-for repos | 02:07 |
| timelyx | i'm not quite sure i understood the rest of the response | 02:07 |
| kbsingh | i am not very familiar with the way the whole maemo.org project runs, maybe i should do some research on that first :p | 02:07 |
| timelyx | there was also a response indicating that nokia was paying for akamai and that it should work | 02:07 |
| kbsingh | akamai is not cheap | 02:07 |
| timelyx | and i happen to agree w/ them there | 02:07 |
| timelyx | they have to be paying some sizable sum | 02:08 |
| timelyx | if it doesn't work, it should be fixed, and if it were working, there shouldn't be any problems | 02:08 |
| kbsingh | timelyx: unless the content fed through to akamai is broken :D | 02:08 |
| timelyx | bug somewhere, needs fixing | 02:08 |
| kbsingh | yea | 02:09 |
| timelyx | i followed the line for a while, but by thursday, i gave up, and now you can grab a .deb which enables you to use a puny mirror :| | 02:09 |
| Screaming | Hmm, Beard award gets doubled | 02:10 |
| sp3000 | :z! | 02:11 |
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| Screaming | Was I right about the reindeer perhaps? Finns are still home waiting? | 02:11 |
| timelyx | there's no snow | 02:12 |
| timelyx | so the finns don't get a white christmas | 02:12 |
| hugolp | whats the maximum size of the SD cards with the N800? | 02:12 |
| ol_schoola | according to a Swedish researcher, Santa needs to relocate to Krzygstan | 02:12 |
| timelyx | why? | 02:13 |
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| ol_schoola | you know how FedEx chose Memphis for it's ideal distribution hub? same thing | 02:13 |
| Screaming | No snow in Finland??? Jeez I'm emigrating to Mars then. | 02:13 |
| ol_schoola | Santa would be most productive if he were based in Krzygstan | 02:13 |
| Screaming | We've bust the planet!!!! | 02:14 |
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| ol_schoola | alrighty folks, I'm off in search of eggnog (and brandy) | 02:15 |
| ol_schoola | a big THANK YOU to timelyx for the hard qwork | 02:15 |
| ol_schoola | s/qwork work | 02:15 |
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| Screaming | ol_schoola, Me too, and one for timelyx too. | 02:16 |
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| hugolp | can someone tell me whats the limit for the sd card for the n800? | 02:17 |
| hugolp | can it take up to 16Gb? | 02:17 |
| timelyx | hrm | 02:19 |
| abrilc | Hugoolp i think it's up to 8gb | 02:19 |
| timelyx | some part of the repository is still missing | 02:19 |
| hugolp | abrilc: ok, thanks | 02:19 |
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| timelyx | anyone have an easy way to find out if a directory only has 1 file? | 02:28 |
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| xan | timeless, test `ls -l | wc -l` -eq 1 ? | 02:32 |
| xan | (probably crack) | 02:32 |
| kaltsi | that lists also dirs | 02:33 |
| kaltsi | find . -type f | wc -l | 02:33 |
| timelyx | kaltsi: that's fine | 02:34 |
| timelyx | a directory w/ 1 file and 1 dir should be ignored for my purposes | 02:34 |
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| Screaming | Psst! | 02:45 |
| Screaming | Sssshhhh! Everyone ... look everythings fine. (I just realised, the Nokia bosses just forked out thousands of euros for this Akamai CDS Don't et em know it didn't work! They'll take it away again!) | 02:45 |
| fnordianslippers | lol | 02:46 |
| Screaming | Nite | 02:46 |
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| fnordianslippers | cu | 02:46 |
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| skibur | sup! | 02:48 |
| skibur | hum... | 02:56 |
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| codeyman | does anyone know how to get screen-video capture to work on n800? | 02:58 |
| codeyman | is there a software for it... ffmpeg? | 02:58 |
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| thoughtf1x | Video Converter demo up now | 03:01 |
| thoughtf1x | hi | 03:01 |
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| codeyman | hi | 03:02 |
| codeyman | thoughtf1x: can I capture video? | 03:02 |
| halley | I just use ffmpeg for video conversion. But I think codeyman is looking for a screen-to-movie thingy. | 03:02 |
| codeyman | yes | 03:02 |
| halley | codeyman, the easiest is to run on scratchbox or something and do the vidcap there. The actual tablet is very poor for video bandwidth. | 03:03 |
| thoughtf1x | Hmm | 03:04 |
| thoughtf1x | someone has one | 03:04 |
| thoughtf1x | yes | 03:04 |
| codeyman | hmm.. ok.. will look into it.. | 03:04 |
| codeyman | secondly no support for bluetooth headset right? | 03:04 |
| codeyman | google told me that it isn't...just confirming | 03:05 |
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| thefool | well my n770 is toast :( | 05:23 |
| thefool | it seems I have the "White Screen of Death" issue. Anyone have any experience with nokia an their warranty? | 05:24 |
| thefool | z/an/and | 05:25 |
| thefool | s/z/s lol | 05:25 |
| halley | I dunno about their warranty, but the 770 comes free in a box of Cracker Jacks these days, right? | 05:28 |
| thefool | lol I wish | 05:28 |
| thefool | still $100+ usually | 05:29 |
| thefool | even on ebay | 05:29 |
| halley | Wait another week for CompUSA deals. ;) | 05:32 |
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| thefool | I have never seen one in CompUSA and it is not on the web site so... | 05:36 |
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| dragorn | Compusa is going away, they've stopped delivery of new items | 05:45 |
| dragorn | if yours doesn't have something now, it won't be getting them, afaik | 05:45 |
| dragorn | some stores got the 810s, some thought they were, but aren't | 05:45 |
| dragorn | I think buy.com is the best deal on the 800s right now | 05:45 |
| halley | My CompUSA has had the 770s and N800s but never N810s. | 05:45 |
| dragorn | The one my friend tried to go to in RI claimed to be getting them and then never did | 05:48 |
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| dragorn | but he drove to hartford, CT and they had them | 05:48 |
| halley | Yeah, I'm at the CT one. | 05:48 |
| halley | The Manchester CT (near Hartford) has no N810s. | 05:48 |
| dragorn | They had 'em a week and a half ago :P | 05:48 |
| dragorn | I went to the NYC nokia store, got one of the last ones of the day but they were getting them fairly often | 05:49 |
| halley | Not that I care... I got my N810 three weeks ago. | 05:49 |
| thefool | hopefully nokia will take care of it though, I mean this is a known issue and I have only had it a month | 05:49 |
| dragorn | halley: yeah me too | 05:49 |
| thefool | I am perfectly happy with my 770 and personally I like the looks of it better than the 800 | 05:49 |
| dragorn | halley: I had to be in the city anyhow so I just went up to their store | 05:50 |
| dragorn | thefool: Yeah. The 810 is nice though, i think the hw was less rushed than the 800 | 05:50 |
| dragorn | I'm cranky that they broke USB in the os2008 release though | 05:50 |
| thefool | alas I am but a poor college student | 05:50 |
| dragorn | going to have to spend a while trying to figure out how to unwedge that | 05:50 |
| deejoe | they did? | 05:51 |
| dragorn | They did for the devices I'm working on | 05:51 |
| deejoe | how broken is broke? | 05:51 |
| dragorn | Well, the wispy2 used to work fine (with, of course, the whitelist errors) | 05:51 |
| dragorn | Now it spews a 'couldn't mount filesystem' error, and has "interesting" behavior | 05:51 |
| dragorn | where interesting is defined as, if you boot the device with the wispy2 attached, it acts normally until you *finish* using the device | 05:52 |
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| dragorn | and if you boot the 810 without the wispy2 and attach it post-boot, then it enumerates, searches, sometimes works briefly, and then crashes. | 05:52 |
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| dragorn | And crashing means, it locks dead for 15-20 seconds and then the watchdog reboots it. | 05:52 |
| dragorn | It's very suboptimal and greatly annoys me that it worked in the beta. (Though not on the 800. Now the 810 acts like the 800, ie, borked.) | 05:53 |
| thefool | I don't see why they don't work to make host-mode work out of the box | 05:58 |
| dragorn | Well, the 770 does have host side working out of the box | 05:59 |
| dragorn | only you need aux power | 05:59 |
| thefool | thought it needed a kernel patch first | 06:02 |
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| thefool | bah I hate that my 770 just up and died on me. What total crap | 06:03 |
| l7_ | usb is working for me in both 2008 releases | 06:04 |
| l7_ | under windows anyhow, haven't tried with mac | 06:04 |
| l7_ | i did noticed i was asked to install more drivers | 06:04 |
| thefool | lol, I think he is refering to host mode | 06:04 |
| l7_ | oh | 06:05 |
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| dragorn | yes, i was referring to host mode. | 06:05 |
| thefool | yea that would suck otherwise, try flashing without usb lol | 06:05 |
| l7_ | i didn't realize someone got host mode working on the n800 / 810 | 06:05 |
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| dragorn | "working" since os2008 betas | 06:05 |
| dragorn | (worked better in the beta. ;/ ) | 06:05 |
| l7_ | yeah, that would be bad :\ | 06:06 |
| l7_ | what kind of cable do you need for host mode? | 06:06 |
| * thefool is not sure why he is still on here, no tablet to talk about for a while | 06:06 | |
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| dragorn | l7_: For the 800, nonstandard custom or toggle it w/ software | 06:07 |
| thefool | normal cable that you inject 5v into somehow | 06:07 |
| l7_ | i saw the crazy setup thoughtfix had for the 770 | 06:07 |
| dragorn | l7_: for the 810, a micro-a male | 06:07 |
| thefool | no need for the power? | 06:07 |
| dragorn | The 800 and 810 provide *some* power. The 770 provides none. | 06:07 |
| thefool | nice | 06:07 |
| dragorn | Some devices will work on the 8x0. 200mA, lower voltage than standard | 06:07 |
| thefool | It annoys me that I could not simply use a powered hub and a normal cable to connect to whatever I wanted | 06:08 |
| dragorn | thefool: on a 770 you can | 06:08 |
| l7_ | why do the 800 and 810 have different cable requirements? | 06:08 |
| thefool | its good to hear thats not really a issue | 06:08 |
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| thefool | dragorn: definitely not | 06:08 |
| dragorn | l7_: because they're different devices. The 800 is arguably broken, it's a mini-b with otg sensitivity | 06:08 |
| dragorn | thefool: sure can, I've done it | 06:08 |
| thefool | dragorn: you have to send power to the 770 itself not just the device you want to power | 06:09 |
| l7_ | oh yeah i forgot the 810 had micro | 06:09 |
| dragorn | thefool: set it to host mode with flasher and use a powered usb hub (so long as it provides power back up the chain) | 06:09 |
| dragorn | thefool: mine does | 06:09 |
| dragorn | thefool: Or just get yourself a powered Y cable from a usb hard drive | 06:09 |
| dragorn | l7_: mini-usb A and B are different physical cable shells. micro-ab can take either, which is what the 810 has | 06:10 |
| dragorn | l7_: so you need an invalid cable to pin-control the 800, you need an 'a' pinning in a 'b' shell | 06:10 |
| thefool | dragorn: yea, but thats a little different...most people don't have cables lying around that provide power both ways | 06:10 |
| dragorn | thefool: Dunno, i did :P The random hub I had did, and i've got at least 3 of those Y cables from 2.5" usb hard drives and my evdo modem | 06:11 |
| dragorn | thefool: i'd say it's harder to find a battery pack that outputs to USB than to find a cable like that | 06:11 |
| thefool | dragorn: good point | 06:11 |
| thefool | anyways, goodnight all. I think I may pop in again to see if someone can help me figure out how to contact the right people at nokia to return my 770. | 06:11 |
| dragorn | what's it doing? | 06:12 |
| thefool | white screen | 06:12 |
| dragorn | nothing comes up if you start flasher and plug it in? | 06:12 |
| thefool | startup sounds and everything, but just a white screen | 06:12 |
| thefool | nope, I actually succesfully flashed it but no visual output | 06:12 |
| dragorn | ah, still borked after a reflash | 06:12 |
| thefool | just that stupid white screen | 06:12 |
| dragorn | that sounds sad | 06:12 |
| thefool | yea :( | 06:13 |
| thefool | had it less than a month | 06:13 |
| dragorn | was worth a shot to try to flash it if you hadn't | 06:13 |
| dragorn | hm, both my 770s are still fine | 06:13 |
| thefool | flashed it twice just to be sure lol | 06:13 |
| thefool | want to mail me one? :) | 06:13 |
| thefool | I will mail you my broken one and postage lol | 06:13 |
| dragorn | heh. I got one to do gps, etc in the car | 06:14 |
| thefool | yea thats what I planned on setting mine up for | 06:14 |
| thefool | have the GPS, mounting bracket, cables etc all coming in as xmas gifts. Then the stupid tablet dies on me | 06:14 |
| l7_ | how good is maemo-mapper's performance in the car? | 06:14 |
| l7_ | i'd wonder if the screen is better, and if it is fast enough to keep up | 06:15 |
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| K`zan | So, is the consensus that the new update is worth installing? | 07:57 |
| K`zan | If so how much will it break from the last n800 2008 release? | 07:58 |
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| Vulcanis | K`zan, I'd wait a week | 07:59 |
| Vulcanis | all the repos are slow or down because everyone is trying to update | 07:59 |
| K`zan | Vulcanis: Thanks, wilco! | 08:00 |
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| K`zan | Got the update already, just don't know how big a job it will be to get back to where I am :-). | 08:00 |
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| serj | hello everyone | 08:16 |
| serj | i have a question regarding chinook sdk does anyone know for how long it won't be available? | 08:17 |
| serj | because my http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free/source/Sources.gz fails to fetch :( | 08:18 |
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| dragorn | serj: considering everyone is complaining and that I don't think anyone in here works for nokia in a position to fix it | 08:27 |
| dragorn | i wouldn't hold your breath | 08:27 |
| serj | :( | 08:28 |
| serj | so the os2008 noise is still going? | 08:29 |
| serj | eh was hoping to start development this xmas but oh well then...:P | 08:30 |
| serj | is there anyone else who has a mirror for the files? | 08:30 |
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| threethirty | Hello all | 08:41 |
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| astro76 | hi threethirty | 08:42 |
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| alnr | how do i install hcitool? i had it in os2007, i dont on os2008 (n800) | 08:54 |
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| hahlo | alnr: you have a os2008 in n800? Does skype work? | 09:15 |
| Vulcanis | it did in beta | 09:15 |
| alnr | its in the menu but i havent used it | 09:16 |
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| alnr | google tells me nothing about missing hcitools, strange that mine is | 09:16 |
| hahlo | ok, I had to go to back os2007 cause my skype didn't work in os2008 | 09:17 |
| tontsa | works here atleast on n810 | 09:18 |
| chrisak | just tried calling my cell via new os skype/n800 ... Worked ok here... Everythings looking great | 09:20 |
| * thoughtf1x really really really needs his n810 back | 09:21 | |
| K`zan | Night all. | 09:22 |
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| hahlo | what about xterm in os2008 (n800) does it work? | 09:28 |
| Vulc|Sleepysleep | it is built in | 09:28 |
| dragorn | chrisak: using the nokia as a phonebook? | 09:29 |
| timelyx | alnr: see gronmeyer in the topic | 09:29 |
| timelyx | dragorn: last i checked skype uses its own contacts database | 09:29 |
| timelyx | which i believe is stored @skype, so all apps that access a given account share a single contacts list | 09:30 |
| dragorn | timelyx: yes. Ah, I see what they were saying. | 09:30 |
| dragorn | timelyx: A friend was looking to use the nokia BT tethered to a phone as a dialer | 09:30 |
| dragorn | timelyx: which I haven't seen functionality for | 09:30 |
| timelyx | alnr: so, this url only works if you install a .deb of mine | 09:31 |
| timelyx | http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/find?string=hcitool | 09:31 |
| timelyx | /bluez-utils-3.20/tools/hcitool.c | 09:31 |
| timelyx | /bluez-utils-3.20/tools/hcitool.1 | 09:31 |
| timelyx | but it says that hcitool is part of bluez-utils | 09:31 |
| timelyx | and is in chinook | 09:31 |
| timelyx | timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 09:31 |
| timelyx | would be the deb | 09:31 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=hcitool | 09:32 |
| timelyx | is the public equivalent url if you would rather not hack dns | 09:32 |
| alnr | tryin to keep up | 09:32 |
| hahlo | what about everything else in os2008 (on n800) does everything works? Is it much slower? at least it's bigger | 09:33 |
| tontsa | hahlo, it shouldn't be much slower atleast since it overclocks the processor from 340 to 400MHz | 09:33 |
| Vulc|Sleepysleep | well | 09:34 |
| hahlo | ok and is still stable even overclocked | 09:34 |
| Vulc|Sleepysleep | supposedly, it was 400mhz and underclocked for 320 | 09:35 |
| Vulc|Sleepysleep | os2008 optomized stuff so it did not need to be underclocked. Or something. | 09:35 |
| hahlo | sounds good | 09:35 |
| timelyx | power management of sort (specifically dynamic clock speed changing) was implemented in the kernel | 09:36 |
| timelyx | note that it's never running 400mhz continuously | 09:36 |
| timelyx | from my understanding in order to talk to video it has to drop the clock for a bit | 09:36 |
| timelyx | but it does mean that apps can use 400mhz | 09:36 |
| timelyx | alnr: anyway,you're looking for bluez-utils, which is in chinook | 09:37 |
| timelyx | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/b/bluez-utils/ | 09:37 |
| timelyx | would be the path | 09:37 |
| timelyx | but application manager should find it for you | 09:37 |
| timelyx | if you want to use my repository instead of the official ones, installl this deb: | 09:38 |
| timelyx | timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 09:38 |
| alnr | timelyx: k, looking for bluez-utils on gronmayer chinook | 09:38 |
| timelyx | alnr: note that i'm cheating, since i have a clone of the repository, i just did find in it | 09:38 |
| timelyx | but my personal opinion is that people should use gronmeyer for such searches :) | 09:39 |
| alnr | i dont see bluz yet | 09:39 |
| timelyx | bluez, not bluz | 09:39 |
| alnr | bluez i mean | 09:39 |
| timelyx | wfm | 09:39 |
| truent | 'search in repositories' | 09:39 |
| timelyx | i loaded http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 | 09:39 |
| timelyx | and enter "bluez-utils" in search in repositories | 09:40 |
| timelyx | and got exactly what i expected | 09:40 |
| truent | wow | 09:40 |
| truent | never knew about that site | 09:40 |
| truent | my new fav IT site | 09:40 |
| timelyx | truent: we keep it in the topic :) | 09:40 |
| timelyx | now you know :) | 09:40 |
| truent | thoughtf1x, you now take a backseat ;p | 09:40 |
| timelyx | heh | 09:40 |
| alnr | timelyx: ah search found it | 09:40 |
| hahlo | does rd-mode also work in os2008? | 09:41 |
| timelyx | yes | 09:41 |
| timelyx | in fact rd-mode isn't forgotten if you reflash | 09:41 |
| timelyx | but personal i abhor it :) | 09:41 |
| thoughtf1x | I do what? | 09:41 |
| thoughtf1x | Sorry | 09:41 |
| thoughtf1x | I wandered off | 09:41 |
| timelyx | if you aren't a kernel hacker, then imo you shouldn't need rd-mode :) | 09:42 |
| truent | thoughtf1x, just sayin your site takes a backseat to my new fav.. gronmayer.com ;p | 09:42 |
| timelyx | thoughtf1x: it's ok, you're good for advertising, but for sustaining, gronmeyer's more important :) | 09:42 |
| thoughtf1x | Hehe | 09:42 |
| hahlo | but you see some boottext with rd :) | 09:42 |
| truent | thoughtf1x, you ever get your bluetooth pan workin the way you wanted? | 09:42 |
| thoughtf1x | Nope! | 09:42 |
| thoughtf1x | Gave up on WinMo devices | 09:43 |
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| timelyx | hahlo: yeah, and whenever i see that, i make the person who enabled it turn it off :) | 09:43 |
| thoughtf1x | My site is for in-depth stuff | 09:43 |
| truent | i made an alright lil ruby program for os2007.. but all that was turned upside down with os2008.. | 09:43 |
| truent | gotta rewrite it | 09:43 |
| thoughtf1x | 10 minute demo on the video converter - not just a link to it ;) | 09:43 |
| * timelyx prefers software that doesn't require porting | 09:43 | |
| timelyx | thoughtf1x =~ s/not/now/ | 09:43 |
| timelyx | hrm, or not? | 09:44 |
| * timelyx decides perhaps sleep might be in order | 09:44 | |
| * timelyx just finished reading Runaway Jury | 09:44 | |
| thoughtf1x | I was unaware of that site too. Bookmarking for a later article | 09:44 |
| timelyx | and just in time too, because my dvr is scheduled to record the movie :) | 09:44 |
| hahlo | then everything should be better in os2008 | 09:44 |
| truent | thoughtf1x, ;P | 09:44 |
| timelyx | thoughtf1x: think rpmfind.net for maemo debs | 09:45 |
| truent | if i could get chinook-sdk to fully download and install i'd be halfway through writing a bluetooth pan program already ;p | 09:45 |
| alnr | hmm i'm getting gzip error on those catalogs (chinook and extras) on the install of chinook | 09:45 |
| timelyx | truent: is this the nokia.com image or the apt stuff? | 09:45 |
| truent | apt | 09:45 |
| timelyx | alnr: try installing my deb first and refresh | 09:45 |
| truent | running the script | 09:45 |
| timelyx | same to oyu truent | 09:45 |
| timelyx | timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 09:46 |
| truent | Get:130 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free libssl0.9.7 0.9.7e-4.osso2+3sarge3.osso5 [2013kB] | 09:46 |
| truent | etc | 09:46 |
| truent | okie | 09:46 |
| timelyx | note that it hijacks dns for repository, and i'm not guaranteeing updates | 09:46 |
| timelyx | but hopefully it'll have enough to get you setup today | 09:47 |
| timelyx | at which point you're free to uninstall the package | 09:47 |
| truent | k when/if this sdk install fails im with it | 09:47 |
| timelyx | + wget -O repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook-beta/free/a/acl/acl_2.2.23-1.dsc 'repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook-beta/free/a/acl/acl_2.2.23-1.dsc?hjk' | 09:47 |
| timelyx | 23:45:22 ERROR 404: Not Found. | 09:48 |
| * timelyx cries | 09:48 | |
| truent | heh | 09:48 |
| timelyx | and just when i was getting to the good stuff | 09:48 |
| timelyx | not the ?hjk | 09:48 |
| timelyx | that was intended to force the server not to lie to me | 09:48 |
| timelyx | it doesn't seem to work forever | 09:48 |
| timelyx | and now i have lots and lots and lots of failures after that :( | 09:48 |
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| truent | i just want the sdk and i wont download from you for a while maemo.org, i promise ;) | 09:49 |
| * timelyx frowns | 09:49 | |
| * timelyx has no idea how relevant these files are to the repo | 09:49 | |
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| timelyx | things in chinook-beta obviously aren't very important, but... | 09:50 |
| truent | seperate server? | 09:50 |
| timelyx | unrelated repository for a beta product | 09:51 |
| timelyx | which no one should be using :| | 09:51 |
| truent | nice | 09:51 |
| timelyx | all from the same "server" | 09:51 |
| timelyx | but my original attempt at mirroring collected it too, and i haven't deleted it yet | 09:51 |
| alnr | i put on that dns package but i still get failed catalog with a gzip error, on installing chinook | 09:51 |
| timelyx | alnr: which catalog? (tools>log ?) seems unlikely, since i'm pretty sure people have been happy | 09:52 |
| alnr | it shows me 'maemo extras' and 'maemo chinook' as the failed catalogs | 09:52 |
| alnr | expanding either one says 'sub process gzip returned an error code(1) | 09:53 |
| timelyx | hrm, | 09:54 |
| timelyx | open your web browser | 09:54 |
| timelyx | load http://repository.maemo.org/jhkhk | 09:54 |
| timelyx | what do you get? | 09:54 |
| alnr | 404 | 09:55 |
| timelyx | what's it say? | 09:55 |
| timelyx | unless it says "Sorry, I can't find that file ", you aren't using my server :| | 09:56 |
| alnr | the url /jkhkh not found on this server | 09:56 |
| timelyx | hrm, one sec | 09:57 |
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| timelyx | odd | 09:58 |
| ds3 | anyone tried using a bluetooth keyboard on OS2008 on the N800? | 09:59 |
| timelyx | yes, if you don't see Sorry, ... it isn't me | 09:59 |
| timelyx | ds3: i've used a couple at work, they seem to just work | 09:59 |
| timelyx | logitech/microsoft/nokia | 10:00 |
| ds3 | cool, wanted to confirm just in case it conflicts with the 810 kb support | 10:00 |
| timelyx | alnr: hrm... | 10:00 |
| ds3 | does it still require that daemon/package like on OS2006? | 10:01 |
| truent | Unpacking replacement repository-maemo-org-dns ... | 10:01 |
| truent | Could not find repository.maemo.org in /etc/hosts | 10:01 |
| truent | err there was no /etc/hosts | 10:01 |
| truent | so i touch'd it | 10:01 |
| timelyx | oh, ok, i'm an idiot | 10:01 |
| truent | now theres 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org | 10:01 |
| timelyx | wait | 10:01 |
| timelyx | hrm, or rather, "that's bad" | 10:01 |
| timelyx | there's always supposed to be a /etc/hosts | 10:01 |
| timelyx | hence the sanity check | 10:02 |
| truent | scratchbox mind you | 10:02 |
| timelyx | oh, scratchbox! | 10:02 |
| timelyx | ok, that case is so unexpected :) | 10:02 |
| truent | ;p | 10:02 |
| truent | im guessing scratchbox still uses the systemwide /etc/hosts? | 10:03 |
| timelyx | no | 10:03 |
| timelyx | it really uses whatever is in its local /etc/hosts | 10:03 |
| truent | ok then i just created that | 10:03 |
| timelyx | and similar for nsswitch.conf or whatever | 10:03 |
| * timelyx tries to figure out what to do w/ this edge case | 10:04 | |
| truent | how would i test to see if im using your repo or not | 10:04 |
| ds3 | is OS2008 the recommended OS for someone going to an 800 from a 770? | 10:04 |
| gpd | repositories still broken!? HMG | 10:06 |
| timelyx | gpd: it's christmas :) | 10:06 |
| truent | timelyx, i think im getting em from ya.. you sure you have all these? | 10:07 |
| gpd | timelyx: exactly - the only time i get to play with gadgets - and i can't install stuff :( | 10:07 |
| timelyx | gpd: you can try my deb | 10:07 |
| timelyx | truent: not sure, but i get logs for everything that's missing | 10:07 |
| timelyx | truent: at some point, i'll make a button something like | 10:08 |
| timelyx | repository.maemo.org/_something_was_missing_ | 10:08 |
| truent | nice | 10:08 |
| timelyx | and have that script browse through its logs and automatically try to collect the backing files from the repo :) | 10:08 |
| timelyx | but not now | 10:08 |
| timelyx | first i want to fix your scratchbox case | 10:08 |
| timelyx | which means thinking about umask | 10:08 |
| alnr | at its not me. going to the url ...packages.gz says the service is temporarily unavailable | 10:09 |
| timelyx | alnr: url? | 10:09 |
| alnr | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz | 10:09 |
| truent | im downloading now.. i have the 66.33.212.254 alias for repository.maemo.org.. im guessing thats you ;p | 10:09 |
| timelyx | yeah, it's dreamhost | 10:09 |
| timelyx | alnr: my repo seems to have that file, no problem | 10:10 |
| timelyx | it's big and pretty | 10:10 |
| gpd | timelyx: i'm looking back up the log - but what is 'your deb'? | 10:10 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/ | 10:10 |
| alnr | timelyx: the url shows up in the browser directory (on my pc now) but taking the link gives that error | 10:10 |
| timelyx | pick the dns ones | 10:10 |
| timelyx | alnr: i'm using http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 10:11 |
| timelyx | if you're on a pc, you can do the equivalent | 10:11 |
| timelyx | sudo echo 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org >> /etc/hosts | 10:11 |
| timelyx | you'll want to remove the line at some point | 10:11 |
| alnr | oh k let me try that | 10:12 |
| truent | timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 10:12 |
| timelyx | the package is of course "better" in that it reminds you you've hacked it | 10:12 |
| timelyx | and lets you uninstall it | 10:12 |
| truent | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? | 10:12 |
| truent | E: Unable to install maemo-sdk-dev on CHINOOK_X86 target. | 10:12 |
| truent | E: Please check the sources.list for errors. | 10:12 |
| truent | newp same error.. bunch of "Size mismatch" errors | 10:12 |
| timelyx | truent: um | 10:12 |
| timelyx | hold on | 10:12 |
| truent | will do | 10:13 |
| timelyx | i don't see any error or access logs since me | 10:13 |
| * timelyx ponders | 10:13 | |
| truent | hang on lemme try your "Sorry," deal | 10:13 |
| timelyx | yeah :) | 10:13 |
| timelyx | i'm trying to think about how you can do that | 10:14 |
| timelyx | since um... afaiu you don't have a web browser :) | 10:14 |
| gpd | timelyx: is this deb a special treat for people that moan - ie it bricks your device or similar ;) | 10:14 |
| truent | fook | 10:14 |
| timelyx | gpd: the first version of any deb i write is 100% untested | 10:14 |
| truent | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found | 10:14 |
| truent | 00:14:29 ERROR 404: Not Found. | 10:14 |
| hahlo | One have to flash os2008? Or does it comes with apt-get upgrade? | 10:14 |
| timelyx | hahlo: flash | 10:15 |
| truent | looks like scratchbox isnt minding the local /etc/hosts | 10:15 |
| alnr | now i get the sorry,, | 10:15 |
| truent | Resolving repository.maemo.org... 208.46.174.96, 208.46.174.83 | 10:15 |
| truent | Connecting to repository.maemo.org[208.46.174.96]:80... connected. | 10:15 |
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| timelyx | maybe someday, in fact, i believe it's officially on the roadmap | 10:15 |
| truent | notice the ip | 10:15 |
| timelyx | truent: *nod* | 10:15 |
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| timelyx | ok um... | 10:15 |
| * timelyx ponders | 10:15 | |
| hahlo | timelyx: what image I shoulr use, will flasher 3.0 work? | 10:15 |
| timelyx | well, um... | 10:15 |
| timelyx | hahlo: the proper 2008 n800 / n810 image and yes flasher3 | 10:16 |
| timelyx | but no, i'm not a flasher expert | 10:16 |
| * timelyx tends to use the windows flasher :) | 10:16 | |
| hahlo | oh | 10:16 |
| timelyx | which doesn't mean i don't know the flasher3 args or haven't abused a number of them | 10:16 |
| timelyx | it's just that i don't want you to think i'm an expert | 10:16 |
| timelyx | truent: well, oh, one sec | 10:17 |
| gpd | timelyx: it seems you are a genius - i just installed maemo-mapper! | 10:17 |
| timelyx | truent: try looking at /etc/nsswitch.conf | 10:17 |
| timelyx | [sanjay]$ grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf | 10:17 |
| timelyx | hosts: files dns | 10:17 |
| timelyx | what does yours say in scratchbox? | 10:17 |
| truent | same thing | 10:18 |
| truent | hosts: files dns | 10:18 |
| * timelyx gives up | 10:18 | |
| truent | lol hang on | 10:18 |
| timelyx | feel free to try changing the global one | 10:18 |
| timelyx | the other thing you can do if you like fighting app | 10:18 |
| timelyx | there's an apt.conf.d | 10:18 |
| truent | tried that.. works on my comp.. but not scratchbox | 10:18 |
| timelyx | i've done all sorts of evil stuff there :) | 10:18 |
| truent | hang on.. theres no /etc/hosts file now in sbox | 10:18 |
| alnr | timelyx: progress, this time app mgr didnt barf on installing chinook. but, i dont see bluez* in the installable apps | 10:19 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 10:19 | |
| timelyx | alnr: probably time to enable red pill mode | 10:19 |
| timelyx | google will find it, but if you're tired, ask, someone here will talk you through it | 10:19 |
| alnr | matrix, hehe | 10:20 |
| timelyx | marius deserves massive props for that one :) | 10:21 |
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| hahlo | timelyx: just one more question, do you know kate? | 10:23 |
| alnr | i see bluez-hcidump now :) | 10:23 |
| truent | alnr, does that work in os2008? | 10:23 |
| alnr | i have only just gotten it into app manager | 10:24 |
| alnr | darn it doesnt have hcitool, just hcidump | 10:25 |
| timelyx | alnr: it's in bluez-utils | 10:25 |
| truent | yeah in os2007 i had my PAN device connector thingie scan for devices.. no hcitool in os2008 | 10:27 |
| alnr | that got installed, i guess from installing bluez-hcidump, but hci<tab> does not find hcitool | 10:27 |
| timelyx | hrm | 10:27 |
| timelyx | bluez-utils-test ? | 10:27 |
| timelyx | sorry, the thing i'm using right now tells me which source package contains files | 10:28 |
| timelyx | not which binary package :) | 10:28 |
| timelyx | bluez is unfortunately well designed, so hcitool is probably in test where it belongs :) | 10:28 |
| gpd | timelyx: thank you! :D | 10:28 |
| timelyx | silly well designed packages | 10:28 |
| alnr | i dont have bluez-util-test, is that from chinook? | 10:29 |
| timelyx | um | 10:30 |
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| timelyx | it's in bora, and herring | 10:30 |
| * timelyx waits for chinook | 10:30 | |
| truent | timelyx, harder than i thought to change the repo for a scratchbox / sdk install.. but i gotcha for the normal stuff ;p | 10:30 |
| timelyx | err bluez-utils-test | 10:30 |
| timelyx | alnr: ok, odd, i don't see bluez-utils-test in chinook | 10:31 |
| timelyx | no idea why | 10:31 |
| alnr | got it from boar | 10:31 |
| alnr | bora | 10:31 |
| timelyx | yeah | 10:31 |
| timelyx | keep in mind that having bora in your enabled list is considered /somewhat/ risky | 10:32 |
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| timelyx | that said, as long as you disable it before you do anything really exciting, you should be fine | 10:32 |
| alnr | spoke too soon, could not install, missing bluez-utils | 10:32 |
| timelyx | err | 10:32 |
| timelyx | i thought you installed that | 10:32 |
| alnr | i did :( it is in the installed view | 10:33 |
| gpd | well after all that (a completely fresh os2008 install) i am still getting loss of connectivity to my iblue 737 every few minutes... ugh | 10:34 |
| truent | gpd: no!!! i was just about to buy that gps | 10:34 |
| pupnik_ | "red pill mode" (n): A way for noobs to break their device with a stylus | 10:34 |
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| timelyx | pupnik_: yes! | 10:35 |
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| gpd | truent: it was absolutely fine in 2007 | 10:35 |
| alnr | hmm it wants 3.9 ...51 but chinook put on 3.22.... | 10:35 |
| pupnik | heh | 10:35 |
| gpd | but in the beta and 50-2 it keeps dropping out | 10:35 |
| timelyx | gpd: did you file a bug while using the beta? :( | 10:35 |
| GNUton | Hi! | 10:35 |
| truent | hrmph.. heres hopin they fix it cuz thats the one i wanted ;p | 10:36 |
| gpd | no - i had exams until last week : | 10:36 |
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| timelyx | oh sure, exams are much more important than helping a product you're going to use for a year :) | 10:37 |
| timelyx | anyway, browse through the bt bugs | 10:38 |
| truent | heh i think i remember reading one of the developers of mapper used that one so i figured there couldnt be any probs with that one ;p | 10:39 |
| gpd | truent: i think the 757 is more common - but mine has been fine too | 10:39 |
| truent | like 50-60 bucks right? | 10:40 |
| timelyx | hrm, the bt bugs don't have any helpful steps (run x to get me logs) | 10:41 |
| * ol_schoola_ bolts upright | 10:42 | |
| gpd | i installed syslog/klogd in my previous install but no messages | 10:42 |
| ol_schoola_ | bejeezus that was a hyelluva lightning strike | 10:42 |
| * timelyx sees someone tried installing canola | 10:42 | |
| ol_schoola_ | besides me? | 10:43 |
| gpd | i just did - it worked | 10:43 |
| timelyx | sounds like it was gpd :) | 10:43 |
| gpd | you didn't tell us your deb was spyware | 10:43 |
| timelyx | i told some people i'd offer a button you could push to ask it to fix itself | 10:43 |
| timelyx | how do you expect it to fix itself if it doesn't remember what was wrong? :) | 10:44 |
| ol_schoola_ | ooh ooh ooh, free East buttons! | 10:44 |
| timelyx | that's the only thing i intend to do w/ the logs... | 10:44 |
| ol_schoola_ | Easy | 10:44 |
| timelyx | not 100% certain how i want to do that | 10:44 |
| timelyx | truent: so we still don't understand scratchbox? | 10:45 |
| timelyx | truent: supposedly there's /scratcbox/etc/ | 10:46 |
| timelyx | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-6332.html | 10:46 |
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| timelyx | truent: if that works, let me know | 10:46 |
| timelyx | i can easily make my debs deal w/ that case | 10:46 |
| truent | yeah i'll try it in a sec | 10:48 |
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| Khertan | IIIIIIIIIIIIII WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT THAT MY DIIIIIIIISSSSSCCCCCCCCCOUUUUUUUUNTTTTTTTTT IS ACTIVAAAAAATEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 11:05 |
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| pupnik | Khertan: maybe after christmas | 11:06 |
| timelyx | http://getfirefox.jp/video/gallery/366e/ | 11:06 |
| Khertan | pupnik: or new year ... :) | 11:07 |
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| Khertan | or the week after ... | 11:07 |
| pupnik | 2008 will be very bad for me | 11:07 |
| Khertan | why ? | 11:07 |
| pupnik | bills begin to come due | 11:07 |
| pupnik | credit card expires | 11:07 |
| pupnik | etc | 11:07 |
| pupnik | but it's not in my control | 11:08 |
| pupnik | the state is in control | 11:08 |
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| * Khertan fails to read itt ... to many same posts about people which say ... gnagnagna don't install .... | 11:12 | |
| * Khertan is going to supermarket ... | 11:13 | |
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| FunkyPenguin | any update on r.m.o? | 11:18 |
| timelyx | FunkyPenguin: it's still somewhat flaky | 11:19 |
| timelyx | i have an alternate trimmed r.m.o knock off you can try using if you feel like it | 11:19 |
| FunkyPenguin | boohoo, im only bitching coz i want to get canola | 11:20 |
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| FunkyPenguin | i uninstalled v1 and cant get it back | 11:20 |
| timelyx | i know two people who have used mine to get canola :) | 11:20 |
| FunkyPenguin | timelyx: ooh, yes please in that case :) | 11:20 |
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| timelyx | infobot repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 11:21 |
| infobot | timelyx: okay | 11:21 |
| timelyx | infobot mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 11:21 |
| infobot | okay, timelyx | 11:21 |
| * timelyx prods truent | 11:21 | |
| timelyx | great | 11:22 |
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| * timelyx wonders why the bookmark importer can't handle google bookmarks | 11:22 | |
| * timelyx sighs | 11:24 | |
| gpd | I can't seem to find zip/unzip to look in the backup files | 11:24 |
| timelyx | it'd really suck if this importer is really *this* stupid | 11:24 |
| timelyx | gpd: not included :) | 11:24 |
| gpd | handy | 11:24 |
| timelyx | gronmeyer says extras-devel | 11:25 |
| FunkyPenguin | timelyx: do i install ^^ and then im good to go? | 11:25 |
| timelyx | FunkyPenguin: yeah | 11:25 |
| timelyx | FunkyPenguin: you may want to uninstall once you're done, that should work too :) | 11:26 |
| FunkyPenguin | sahweet thanks. i owe you a stiff drink :) | 11:26 |
| * timelyx doens't drink but does collect pizza | 11:26 | |
| timelyx | will code for pizza? | 11:26 |
| pupnik | what kind of battery life are N810 users seeing? | 11:27 |
| FunkyPenguin | even better, pizza is cheaper than drink | 11:27 |
| timelyx | pupnik: better than my cell phone :) | 11:27 |
| * timelyx has finally decided what's killing cell phone life | 11:28 | |
| timelyx | and it wasn't the n810 :) | 11:28 |
| pupnik | hrm | 11:28 |
| pupnik | pizzzzzaaaaaaaa | 11:28 |
| * timelyx sighs | 11:29 | |
| timelyx | anyone here ever seen a high score board written using a proportional font? | 11:30 |
| timelyx | you know, so | 11:30 |
| timelyx | 111111 | 11:30 |
| timelyx | 99999 | 11:30 |
| timelyx | the second score looks longer :) | 11:30 |
| * timelyx has rank 2 in one of these games :) | 11:31 | |
| * timelyx rotfl | 11:32 | |
| timelyx | #4 in one of these games has a negative score | 11:32 |
| timelyx | and in another, 3/4 people have negative scores :) | 11:32 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:35 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: did you go to bed at any point, or have I been lazy? | 11:35 |
| timelyx | no | 11:35 |
| gpd | timelyx: should I bet able to get wget using your magic deb? | 11:38 |
| timelyx | gpd: yes... | 11:38 |
| timelyx | oh | 11:38 |
| timelyx | hold on, i'd think so | 11:38 |
| * timelyx asks gronmeyer | 11:39 | |
| gpd | apt-cache search says 'no thanks' | 11:39 |
| timelyx | it claims it's in chinook | 11:39 |
| gpd | but gronmeyer says it should be in chinook | 11:39 |
| timelyx | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/w/wget/ | 11:39 |
| timelyx | it seems to be there | 11:39 |
| timelyx | oh, whacky | 11:40 |
| timelyx | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages | 11:40 |
| timelyx | Package: wget | 11:40 |
| timelyx | Filename: pool/maemo4.0/free/w/wget/wget_1.10.2-2osso2_armel.deb | 11:40 |
| timelyx | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/w/wget/ | 11:41 |
| timelyx | yeah, that's there too | 11:41 |
| timelyx | try apt-get update ? | 11:42 |
| * timelyx isn't sure where the apt cache is | 11:42 | |
| timelyx | hrm | 11:42 |
| timelyx | that's odd | 11:42 |
| timelyx | there's no index.html file in that directory | 11:42 |
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| timelyx | oh! | 11:44 |
| * timelyx chuckles | 11:44 | |
| timelyx | there is | 11:44 |
| timelyx | ok, here's another rather evil way to figure out if you're using my repository or not | 11:44 |
| timelyx | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/w/wget/index.html | 11:44 |
| timelyx | add index.html to a path | 11:44 |
| timelyx | if it works, you're talking to a clone | 11:44 |
| timelyx | if it 404's, you're definitely not talking to mine :) | 11:45 |
| * timelyx frowns | 11:45 | |
| * pupnik frown too | 11:45 | |
| gpd | Package wget is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 11:46 |
| gpd | forgetaboutit... | 11:47 |
| timelyx | i really want to know what's wrong | 11:48 |
| timelyx | ok | 11:51 |
| timelyx | this importer is really lame | 11:51 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone got the original /home/user/.bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml somewhere? | 12:02 |
| hugolp | anyone knows when the repos problem will be solved? | 12:03 |
| timelyx | jaffa: see other window | 12:04 |
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| timelyx | hugolp: only an expert tea leaf reader | 12:04 |
| timelyx | you could be the one, start practicing | 12:04 |
| pupnik | i prefer goat entrails | 12:04 |
| timelyx | those cost more | 12:04 |
| hugolp | timelyx: I didint get anything you said | 12:04 |
| timelyx | http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/tealeaves/tealeaves.html | 12:05 |
| timelyx | ... really bad movies (anything on USA Network). | 12:06 |
| * timelyx rotfl | 12:06 | |
| * timelyx misses usa network | 12:06 | |
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| timelyx | http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/tealeaves/tealeavesfull.html | 12:08 |
| timelyx | is better | 12:08 |
| timelyx | yeah, sounds like that'll get you started | 12:11 |
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| timelyx | just search for numbers in the tea leaves | 12:11 |
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| K_AWAY | times to make an enemy territory party .... | 12:30 |
| pupnik | scorched3d | 12:30 |
| K_AWAY | 193.27.10.4 if u want to join me on the same server ... | 12:31 |
| K_AWAY | hum ... noone on the server | 12:32 |
| K_AWAY | so join me on et.clan-life.com | 12:32 |
| solmumaha | i'm still amazed how they managed to take a perfect online game like rtcw and turn it to a mess like the et | 12:33 |
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| cymacs | any news on the broken debs? | 12:35 |
| timelyx | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 12:36 |
| infobot | methinks repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 12:36 |
| timelyx | cymacs: no news, you're free to try that deb | 12:36 |
| cymacs | timelyx: sounds like it mangles the dns lookup to make it point to a working mirror? | 12:37 |
| cymacs | is there anything that i can use on my host machine to let me setup scratchbox now? | 12:38 |
| timelyx | cymacs: if you can work w/ me in testing, we can try to make the deb handle scratchbox | 12:39 |
| timelyx | i think the file you'd need to change is /scratchbox/etc/hosts | 12:39 |
| timelyx | if changing that works, let me know and i can improve the deb | 12:39 |
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| alnr | i'm trying to get bt pan internet connection to a wm6 phone on my n800/os2007. the first problems i have with scripts liks fanoush is 1) the insmod path doesnt exist. 2nd problem is the pand --connect doesnt do anything (pand --show shows no connection). any ideas? | 12:41 |
| timelyx | alnr: from what i've seen very few people have any experience w/ pand | 12:42 |
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| * timelyx pokes cymacs | 12:53 | |
| * timelyx pokes Jaffa | 12:53 | |
| cymacs | timelyx: the sb installer downloads now | 12:53 |
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| cymacs | seems like this will be a merry christmas after all | 12:54 |
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| timelyx | cymacs: from normal or mine? | 12:57 |
| cymacs | timelyx: when adding the extra line to /scratchbox/etc/hosts | 12:58 |
| timelyx | ok, cool | 12:58 |
| timelyx | now i just need to fix my deb to deal w/ that | 12:58 |
| cymacs | timelyx: it doesn't fully succeed though: http://pastebin.ca/829675 | 12:59 |
| timelyx | cymacs: ok, i'll use that list to try to get those files. thanks | 13:00 |
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| Xxaxx | hello :) | 13:02 |
| Xxaxx | is it possible to change symbols on onscreen keyboard ? :) | 13:02 |
| Xxaxx | I want to change plus on minus :/ | 13:02 |
| timelyx | cymacs: ok, those files are coming in now | 13:02 |
| Xxaxx | plus more usefull for websurfing | 13:02 |
| Xxaxx | serfing :/ | 13:02 |
| timelyx | Xxaxx: the en-US and en-GB key layouts are different | 13:02 |
| timelyx | try both | 13:02 |
| Xxaxx | timelyx: ah, interesting, thanks | 13:03 |
| timelyx | in theory you can build your own (a few reportedly exist) | 13:03 |
| timelyx | cymacs: thanks, that list is now coming in, file at a time | 13:03 |
| * timelyx goes back to the /scratchbox issue | 13:03 | |
| Xxaxx | yeah!! en_GB with minus :) | 13:04 |
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| Xxaxx | thanks a lot :) | 13:04 |
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| amr | why is it so difficult to install canola2 on my 770 | 13:04 |
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| amr | trying to install the 'base repository' gives an operation failed | 13:04 |
| timelyx | amr: what os? | 13:05 |
| amr | so i added the repository.maemo.org bore free non-free on to my tablet | 13:05 |
| amr | whatever the latest 2006os is | 13:05 |
| cymacs | timelyx: great, i'll continue with my sb/maemo setup after a shower and report any more missing packages | 13:05 |
| amr | gregale? | 13:05 |
| timelyx | bora is 2007 | 13:05 |
| amr | well the problem is its not showing up anyway | 13:05 |
| amr | in the base-repository.install it says bora | 13:05 |
| timelyx | and it's bora, not bore :) | 13:05 |
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| amr | i meant bora :p | 13:05 |
| timelyx | typos are common/possible/signfiicant | 13:05 |
| * timelyx makes enough of them | 13:06 | |
| amr | i have no idea how to get canola on here now :| | 13:06 |
| timelyx | there indeed is no canola that i can find in the normal places | 13:07 |
| timelyx | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo2 | 13:07 |
| timelyx | claims you can add openbossa to get /a/ canola | 13:07 |
| timelyx | cymacs: getting complete, thanks | 13:07 |
| amr | hmm | 13:07 |
| amr | i'm looking at the canola2 homepage | 13:07 |
| amr | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/install.html | 13:07 |
| amr | both of the 'install' links do nothing | 13:07 |
| timelyx | http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/install.html | 13:07 |
| amr | installing the 'base repo' gives operation failed | 13:08 |
| timelyx | For Nokia 770 Owners (coming soon): | 13:08 |
| timelyx | - Nokia ITOS 2006 - Gregale | 13:08 |
| timelyx | - Nokia 770 with HE edition | 13:08 |
| amr | oh son of a .. | 13:08 |
| amr | how did i miss that | 13:08 |
| amr | thanks | 13:08 |
| timelyx | Canola works on almost all available Internet Tablets. Please ensure you have a pre-requisite and supported OS version on your Tablet. More | 13:08 |
| amr | whats the name of the latest os2006, gregale? | 13:08 |
| amr | mistral? | 13:09 |
| amr | no, its gregale hah | 13:09 |
| Xxaxx | btw does anyone knows when advanced xterm will be available? | 13:09 |
| timelyx | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/ | 13:09 |
| timelyx | # | 13:09 |
| timelyx | # 2.2 - 3.2006.49-2 gregale | 13:09 |
| timelyx | advanced xterm? | 13:09 |
| Xxaxx | yeah, like xterm from maemo-hackers for os2007 | 13:10 |
| Xxaxx | http://www.maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm | 13:10 |
| kulve | Xxaxx: I think you can build that from garage yourself.. Not the most convenient way though.. | 13:10 |
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| Xxaxx | kulve: yeah, I can code new os, no problem :) | 13:11 |
| kulve | ;) | 13:12 |
| Xxaxx | btw, I was trying to install Garnet VM on 2008(N800) without luck, some problems with dependences, need two libraries | 13:13 |
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| Xxaxx | need hildon-fm1/hildon-libs0/libdbus-1-2 for Garnet VM | 13:15 |
| Xxaxx | where can I get them? | 13:15 |
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| kulve | those sounds like 2007 libs | 13:16 |
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| Xxaxx | but I see Garnet VM link on 2008 site | 13:17 |
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| freefood | hi all, i am newbie to N800, got one yesterday, have installed a few apps but i cant get maemomapper working | 13:19 |
| freefood | i went to the downlaod section on this site and it said fie is corruput when it was installing | 13:19 |
| Xxaxx | http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/feat_garnetvm.xhtml | 13:20 |
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| Xxaxx | Garnet VM link | 13:20 |
| pupnik | you might need 2x the file size free space freefood | 13:20 |
| freefood | umm i put in a 2gb stick yesterday | 13:20 |
| freefood | i saved the 2 files on my taablet in the games folder wnd tehn tried rumn them and it said part of file missing | 13:21 |
| freefood | just reading on tablettalk and it says it could be something to do with server overload on maemo | 13:23 |
| pupnik | ahrhm | 13:23 |
| hahlo | does other manufacturer phones connect with n800? | 13:26 |
| Xxaxx | yeah | 13:27 |
| hahlo | ok, some rea on it didn't accept wince | 13:28 |
| hahlo | reason | 13:28 |
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| timelyx | cymacs: ok, i've made a new deb, can you try it? | 13:32 |
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| cymacs | timelyx: sure, same address? | 13:33 |
| timelyx | yeah | 13:35 |
| freefood | just tried to install Canola2 and it says some application packages required are missing?? | 13:40 |
| freefood | anyone know what im doing wrong? | 13:40 |
| timelyx | freefood: relying on the official servers :) | 13:40 |
| cymacs | timelyx: fails to install on host system with /var/lib/dpkg/info/repository-maemo-org-dns.postinst: 25: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "fi") | 13:40 |
| timelyx | freefood: please wait 5 mins | 13:41 |
| timelyx | cymacs: looking | 13:41 |
| freefood | is that why nameomapper isnt working too? | 13:41 |
| freefood | and ive no problem waiting | 13:41 |
| timelyx | yes | 13:41 |
| freefood | cheers | 13:41 |
| freefood | i get different error message with mapper though, file is corrupt | 13:41 |
| timelyx | cymacs: try again | 13:42 |
| timelyx | freefood: the general problem is the repository has missing files w/ various interesting errors | 13:42 |
| timelyx | don't worry, just wait a bit | 13:42 |
| freefood | lol cool all i wanted to know was it me not doing something right | 13:43 |
| * timelyx busy waits on cymacs | 13:43 | |
| cymacs | timelyx: seems to work now | 13:44 |
| timelyx | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 13:45 |
| infobot | somebody said repository.maemo.org deb was unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 13:45 |
| timelyx | freefood: try that | 13:45 |
| cymacs | timelyx: it's very intelligent, i'll ditch my own modification to make it add it itself | 13:45 |
| timelyx | cymacs: thanks for helping :) | 13:45 |
| timelyx | cymacs: :), yeah, i try to grow intelligence into my scripts | 13:46 |
| timelyx | sadly, they go through many iterations | 13:46 |
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| cymacs | timelyx: confirming that it also works without an entry | 13:46 |
| timelyx | :) | 13:46 |
| timelyx | ok, so, just let me know when there are files that don't turn up or turn up corrupt | 13:47 |
| cymacs | timelyx: yeah, i'm redoing the maemo installation now, i think it got broken in the first run before you added the files | 13:47 |
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| Luria | anyone around? | 13:48 |
| timelyx | no | 13:48 |
| Luria | ok | 13:48 |
| Luria | good to hear :-) | 13:49 |
| Luria | can someone udp ping / nmap -sU me | 13:49 |
| Luria | somehow openvpn isnt working anymore | 13:49 |
| timelyx | ToS forbids :) | 13:49 |
| Luria | damn | 13:49 |
| Luria | btw, really? | 13:50 |
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| Luria | silly tos | 13:50 |
| timelyx | not sure, but i'm sure i don't want to find out i'm wrong | 13:50 |
| Luria | i understand | 13:50 |
| Luria | hmmm | 13:50 |
| Luria | maybe i can grab wifi signal | 13:51 |
| timelyx | http://www.elisa.com/english/ | 13:51 |
| * timelyx can't even find anything relevant | 13:51 | |
| Luria | http://www.elisa.com/english/index.cfm?t=6&o=7100.00 | 13:51 |
| Luria | no wonder | 13:51 |
| Luria | the latency on finger phones is real bad | 13:52 |
| Luria | esp when using an acoustic coupler | 13:52 |
| Luria | never mind | 13:53 |
| Luria | got it back | 13:53 |
| Luria | openwrt is a bit too smart | 13:54 |
| Luria | i used to be able to make openvpn connections to my dyndns fwded to my desktop even from within my home network, it would go outside and come back | 13:55 |
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| Luria | now i need a separate config for the local network | 13:56 |
| freefood | timellyx what is that file you linked to for?? | 13:56 |
| Luria | well, i should be doing that anyway. | 13:57 |
| timelyx | freefood: it changes the ip address for the standard repositores | 13:57 |
| timelyx | s/res/ries/ | 13:57 |
| infobot | timelyx meant: freefood: it changes the ip addriess for the standard repositores | 13:57 |
| timelyx | freefood: the one there is known at least to enable installing canola and maemo-mapper | 13:57 |
| Luria | oh dear | 13:57 |
| freefood | still wont install for me | 13:57 |
| Luria | is that what replaced _monkey? | 13:57 |
| timelyx | Luria: not exactly | 13:57 |
| timelyx | infobot existed for a long time next to monkey | 13:57 |
| timelyx | but most people didn't notice it | 13:58 |
| Luria | thats because he doesnt have a _ preceeding his name | 13:58 |
| timelyx | freefood: os 2007? | 13:58 |
| Luria | way down on the channel list | 13:58 |
| freefood | yep | 13:58 |
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| timelyx | freefood: k, give me 10mins | 13:59 |
| freefood | when i go to that file do i open or save? | 13:59 |
| freefood | i just saved | 13:59 |
| freefood | sorry opened | 13:59 |
| timelyx | you'll need to install it at some point | 13:59 |
| timelyx | either open direct, or save and open later | 13:59 |
| freefood | ye i did install it | 13:59 |
| timelyx | yeah, i saw the logs hence i knew broa | 13:59 |
| timelyx | bora | 13:59 |
| timelyx | gimme 10mins | 13:59 |
| Luria | btw are these app manager "broken install file" errors me, repos, or bad repo traffic? | 13:59 |
| Luria | i still cant get py2.5-runtime | 14:00 |
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| Luria | or ukmp or a bunch of others | 14:00 |
| timelyx | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 14:00 |
| infobot | repository.maemo.org deb is probably unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 14:00 |
| timelyx | Luria: try that | 14:00 |
| timelyx | the official repo has issues | 14:00 |
| Luria | ta | 14:00 |
| timelyx | freefood: ok, some files are coming | 14:03 |
| * timelyx thinks it's time to write the log parser | 14:03 | |
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| Luria | regexes, double your fun, double your problems. | 14:04 |
| timelyx | Luria: wfm | 14:04 |
| Luria | hence the double your fun | 14:04 |
| Luria | :-) | 14:04 |
| Luria | something for everyone | 14:05 |
| freefood | cheers timelx | 14:05 |
| Luria | i wish the app manager mentioned which repo a package is coming from | 14:07 |
| timelyx | freefood: refresh/retry | 14:07 |
| timelyx | Luria: tools>log doesn't? | 14:08 |
| freefood | thanks, downloading a moment | 14:08 |
| Luria | i mean in the info window, when browsing | 14:08 |
| freefood | touch wood | 14:08 |
| freefood | its 9.4mb, its a big one! | 14:08 |
| Luria | before you start an install | 14:08 |
| pupnik | A slight bezel/rounding on the front would make it look a bit slimmer and more elegant http://pupnik.de/pand031207_02_pupnik.jpg | 14:09 |
| Luria | yeah i was thinking about that | 14:09 |
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| Luria | no BT :-/ | 14:09 |
| alterego | No N810 :P | 14:10 |
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| alterego | I think I'm pregnant. I always feel shit when I wake up in the morning. | 14:10 |
| pupnik | yeah no bt is kind of bad. | 14:10 |
| pupnik | clean the bed? | 14:10 |
| freefood | lol hungover no? | 14:10 |
| alterego | Wait .. I'm a guy .. | 14:10 |
| alterego | Hah | 14:10 |
| alterego | Well .. If Arnie can get pregnant .. | 14:11 |
| Luria | you could be pregnant with a healthy growing beer gut? | 14:11 |
| alterego | I didn't go out last night. | 14:11 |
| Luria | hmmm..... | 14:11 |
| Luria | check your fridge to see if any naughty bottles got out then. | 14:12 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:12 |
| alterego | I don't keep much alcohol at home. | 14:12 |
| alterego | In fact, I don't think I've got any at the moment. | 14:13 |
| Luria | thats an entirely different problem | 14:13 |
| freefood | timelyx you legend, both worked for me | 14:13 |
| Luria | and an alternative explination as to why you feel lousy. | 14:13 |
| alterego | It's not a problem. I just don't drink at home much :P | 14:13 |
| freefood | thanks a million, ill send my sirlfriend around to you | 14:13 |
| freefood | :) | 14:14 |
| Luria | sigh. not giving me much to work with :-) | 14:14 |
| alterego | Sure, I'll take your girlfriend :P | 14:14 |
| * alterego prepares the dungeon. | 14:14 | |
| freefood | LOL | 14:14 |
| freefood | how you know she likes taht? | 14:15 |
| Luria | no beer, but a dungeon? | 14:15 |
| alterego | Everyone likes a good ole dungeon. | 14:15 |
| Luria | i hate this app manager. | 14:15 |
| alterego | Which one? | 14:16 |
| cymacs | timelyx: just two more packages: http://pastebin.ca/829718 | 14:16 |
| Luria | the default one | 14:16 |
| alterego | I suppose I should flash the new 2008 image that's been sitting on my desktop for the past 4 days. | 14:17 |
| timelyx | cymacs: fetched | 14:17 |
| timelyx | alterego: i think at this point my r.m.o clone is good enough to provide a useful install base | 14:17 |
| Luria | i wonder if anyone ported aptitude | 14:17 |
| alterego | Isn't it written in PyCrap? | 14:18 |
| alterego | Oh wait .. iCrap, PyThon | 14:18 |
| pupnik | I personally have influenced the design of that thing, and none of my suggestions got into N800 or N810 | 14:19 |
| Luria | aptitude? in python? | 14:20 |
| pupnik | Experience with the tablets has been the opposite. pupnik: N770 dpad problematic. nokia: ok, we'll make it worse for N800. pupnik: N800 dpad worse than 770. nokia: ok we'll make it even worse for N810 | 14:21 |
| alterego | What don't you like about the d. pad? | 14:21 |
| Luria | its hard to pull off a dragon punch | 14:22 |
| timelyx | heh | 14:22 |
| pupnik | not usable for fast motion changes, or 8-way | 14:22 |
| timelyx | pupnik: can you name *any* nokia input methods that support either? | 14:22 |
| pupnik | which is ok. it just hampers gaming. | 14:22 |
| Luria | see. | 14:23 |
| pupnik | no | 14:23 |
| timelyx | pupnik: the tablets generally recycle current stock nokia components | 14:23 |
| pupnik | oh | 14:23 |
| timelyx | if there aren't good components for a given thing, and the thing isn't a major differentiator for the device, they're not going to use non stock | 14:23 |
| pupnik | mmk. it's just an unfortunate limitation | 14:24 |
| timelyx | the differentiator for the tablets is the screen | 14:24 |
| timelyx | so that's not stock | 14:24 |
| doc|home | it'd be nice if you could use the dpad for downward scrolling in the browser. Currently it seems to skip from link to link | 14:24 |
| timelyx | which means it's more expensive | 14:24 |
| Luria | i wouldnt mind recycling an n810 xflective screen into my n800... | 14:24 |
| timelyx | doc|home: either press and hold, or use this deb | 14:24 |
| Luria | anyone tried such hackery? | 14:24 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-pageupdown-0.1.deb | 14:24 |
| doc|home | timelyx: cool, thanks | 14:24 |
| pupnik | i have read that the screen is slightly smaller, Luria | 14:25 |
| Xxaxx | yeah, screen will be good | 14:25 |
| timelyx | same screen in 770 and n810 | 14:25 |
| * timelyx is too lazy to go find an n800 | 14:25 | |
| timelyx | they're around /somewhere/ | 14:25 |
| Luria | really? | 14:25 |
| timelyx | same by dimensions, i mean | 14:26 |
| Luria | ah | 14:26 |
| Luria | ok | 14:26 |
| pupnik | oh then the website was incorrect . hah. incorrect info on the internet. | 14:26 |
| timelyx | shocking! | 14:26 |
| Luria | i assume the connector is the same | 14:26 |
| timelyx | that's a different question :) | 14:27 |
| timelyx | pupnik: my favorite is the nokia pages | 14:27 |
| Luria | i mean, it would be stupid to change it | 14:27 |
| timelyx | http://europe.nokia.com/A4568578 | 14:27 |
| timelyx | try clicking "Nokia 4GB microSDHC Card MU-41" | 14:27 |
| Luria | but then again, it would be stupid to kill the video bus and not use an onboard 3d chip | 14:28 |
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| timelyx | oh wow | 14:28 |
| timelyx | they fixed the recommend link | 14:28 |
| doc|home | awww | 14:28 |
| timelyx | clicking Email your friend used to talk about the n81 | 14:28 |
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| timelyx | even though the page was the n810 :) | 14:28 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:28 |
| timelyx | no fair | 14:29 |
| timelyx | improving pages | 14:29 |
| Xxaxx | hehe, funny email notification in OS2008 | 14:29 |
| timelyx | well, at least the sd card link is still broken | 14:29 |
| alterego | funny? | 14:29 |
| Luria | anyone know anything about modest/tinymail? | 14:29 |
| timelyx | Luria: i know who writes it :) | 14:29 |
| timelyx | does that count? :) | 14:29 |
| Xxaxx | yeah, light bliking and mail image in tray | 14:29 |
| Luria | maybe :-) | 14:29 |
| Xxaxx | blinking | 14:30 |
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| Luria | i was wondering about the timeframe for it becoming the default client and whether it would get a tnef parser | 14:30 |
| Xxaxx | btw, why reboot option turned off in /etc/systemui/systemui.xml ? | 14:30 |
| Luria | not ms email support, but enough to pull out attachments that have been lumped together | 14:31 |
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| alterego | Xxaxx, because it is. | 14:31 |
| alterego | My computer doesn't have a reset button .. | 14:31 |
| Xxaxx | hehe, but why? :) | 14:32 |
| timelyx | Xxaxx: be happy the option is even listed :) | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | it'd be fairly worthless clutter | 14:32 |
| timelyx | sp3000: i thought that was a buzzword | 14:32 |
| sp3000 | flashing is a fiasco! :P | 14:33 |
| Luria | i want to get n810s for network staff at the startup i might be joining... invariably someone sends a winmail.dat | 14:33 |
| * sp3000 throws his hands in the air | 14:33 | |
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| timelyx | Luria: want something amusing? | 14:33 |
| pupnik | btw reminder if anyone has a N810 -- xterm commands for speed tests http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11695&highlight=sync+n810 | 14:38 |
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| pupnik | help people decide with mini-SD or micro-SD cards to buy... | 14:39 |
| thefool|away | hey pupnik, did you ever have to return a tablet? I can't figure out where exactly to go | 14:39 |
| pupnik | me never.. contact the seller | 14:39 |
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| pupnik | sync; time sh -c "dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc1/testfile bs=1M count=100;sync" <<< write test for cards | 14:40 |
| timelyx | pupnik: micro unless there's some reason to buy mini | 14:40 |
| pupnik | ok thx | 14:40 |
| pupnik | time dd if=/media/mmc1/testfile of=/dev/null bs=1M <<< read test for cards | 14:41 |
| timelyx | micro is all that works in my e61i | 14:41 |
| timelyx | and it works in my n810 and n800 | 14:41 |
| timelyx | unfortunately none of the sd's work in 770s :) | 14:41 |
| pupnik | hehe | 14:41 |
| timelyx | again, it's a matter of which components were used in phones | 14:41 |
| timelyx | my 9300i was using mmc (full) | 14:42 |
| * timelyx thinks it was full mmc and not rs | 14:42 | |
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| timelyx | http://r2.nokia.com/nokia/0,,89330,00.html | 14:42 |
| timelyx | try clicking on the picture | 14:42 |
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| alterego | timeless, or the link .. | 14:45 |
| alterego | Neither work .. | 14:45 |
| alterego | In fact .. Nothing works on that page :P | 14:45 |
| alterego | That site is old school. | 14:46 |
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| ixiso | Hi guys any workarounds for the broken debs? | 14:53 |
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| timelyx | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 14:54 |
| infobot | methinks repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 14:54 |
| timelyx | ixiso: try that | 14:54 |
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| hahlo | does usb-cable charge n800 battery? | 14:56 |
| ixiso | timelyx: ok, will check this out | 14:57 |
| ixiso | i just wanted to get my python install back | 14:57 |
| ixiso | Thanks! | 14:57 |
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| skibur | Good Morning | 15:19 |
| skibur | anything new? | 15:19 |
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| timelyx | skibur: i'm advertising my repo replacement :) | 15:22 |
| timelyx | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 15:22 |
| infobot | repository.maemo.org deb is, like, unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 15:22 |
| skibur | ? | 15:22 |
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| skibur | link? | 15:22 |
| hugolp | infobot: do they give warrantees with the oficial software? | 15:24 |
| * infobot does they give warrantees with the oficial software. | 15:24 | |
| hugolp | pfff | 15:25 |
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| timelyx | skibur: from infobot | 15:35 |
| timelyx | hugolp: i think the hardware probably has some warrantee :) | 15:35 |
| timelyx | dunno about the software | 15:35 |
| hugolp | timelyx: my brain should have some warrantee about not trying to talk to a bot | 15:36 |
| timelyx | s/warrantee/warning ? :) | 15:36 |
| ixiso | timelyx: the ip in the repo package fix doent seem to work | 15:36 |
| timelyx | ixiso: um... how so? so far everyone else is happy :| | 15:37 |
| skibur | yeah | 15:37 |
| ixiso | Dunno but just going to http://66.33.212.254/ shows the error | 15:38 |
| timelyx | ixiso: it's dreamhost | 15:38 |
| skibur | ok | 15:38 |
| timelyx | you can't go to the ip address w/o specifying a host | 15:38 |
| ixiso | Do you think its a proxy issue? | 15:38 |
| timelyx | seems unlikely | 15:39 |
| ixiso | Will try again | 15:40 |
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| timelyx | ixiso: can you load /etc/hosts in the browser? | 15:41 |
| timelyx | does it show the entry? | 15:41 |
| fnordianslip | timelyx: if i install your deb and then some packages from your repo, when r.m.o comes back up, is it now just a matter of uninstalling your repo deb or is there more to be done to make things sane again? | 15:43 |
| timelyx | yes | 15:44 |
| fnordianslip | hmm. yes it will be sane again? | 15:44 |
| timelyx | yes | 15:44 |
| fnordianslip | sounds straightforward enuff | 15:44 |
| fnordianslip | tnx | 15:45 |
| script | hm, is it possible to use Libconic on ITOS2006, too? | 15:47 |
| script | at least there's an libconic.so.0 on my 770 | 15:47 |
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| fnordianslippers | infobot: repository.maemo.oorg | 15:48 |
| fnordianslippers | doh | 15:48 |
| fnordianslippers | infobot: repository.maemo.org deb | 15:48 |
| infobot | hmm... repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 15:48 |
| sp3000 | orrrrg | 15:49 |
| timelyx | i suppose i could stick an entry for the hostnam | 15:49 |
| timelyx | e | 15:49 |
| fnordianslippers | ooorrgy | 15:49 |
| ixiso | timelyx: will this work with the /extras repo too? | 15:51 |
| ixiso | Im still getting size mismatch errors | 15:52 |
| timelyx | which files? | 15:52 |
| timelyx | pastebin.mozilla.org | 15:52 |
| timelyx | ixiso: it should, but i mirrored from the same broken repositories everyone else uses | 15:54 |
| timelyx | so unless someone tells me about bad files, it's hard for me to spot them | 15:54 |
| ixiso | ic w8 a bit i lost my xterm | 15:55 |
| ixiso | timelyx: here you go http://pastebin.mozilla.org/275965 | 15:57 |
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| skibur | anybody using slackware as we chat? | 15:58 |
| ixiso | Copy and pasting is such a chore on an n800 =D | 15:58 |
| timelyx | ixiso: ok, this'll take a bit, i need to find a working repsitory | 15:59 |
| ixiso | timelyx: are you paying for the bw for this? | 15:59 |
| timelyx | it's dreamhost, and a friend is hosting it | 15:59 |
| timelyx | at some point, i probably should give him something | 16:00 |
| timelyx | (a lot of somethings) | 16:00 |
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| ixiso | Haha, i tried looking for a list of mirrors. Google wasnt helpful | 16:01 |
| timelyx | the mirrors are serviced by akamai | 16:05 |
| sp3000 | gpe calendar missing libsoup? why, applications::calendar | 16:05 |
| timelyx | give me a bit, i'm trying to figure out how to trick wget | 16:05 |
| sp3000 | erm | 16:05 |
| sp3000 | s/calendar/calculator/ | 16:05 |
| sp3000 | because those are obviously related :) | 16:05 |
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| amr | is there an ftpd for the tablets? | 16:09 |
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| timelyx | ask gronmeyer (see topic) | 16:10 |
| timelyx | but do you really want to run an ftpd on a tablet? | 16:10 |
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| amr | yeah, transfer files quickly | 16:11 |
| Xxaxx | scp ? | 16:12 |
| amr | hm | 16:12 |
| amr | good point | 16:12 |
| timelyx | scp/rsync | 16:12 |
| timelyx | samba | 16:13 |
| sp3000 | sshfs | 16:13 |
| fnordianslip | i only seem to get about 5Mb/s through my n800 or my NSLU2 via scp/sftp. I guess ftp might be quicker without the crypto overhead | 16:13 |
| amr | well its only local | 16:13 |
| fnordianslip | mmm. is sshfs/fuse avalable for the tablets | 16:13 |
| amr | copy files ive just edited on my laptop to the tablet | 16:13 |
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| alterego | Have you tried it with usb net? | 16:13 |
| amr | who? | 16:13 |
| amr | usb transfer seems to break things and i'm not sure why | 16:14 |
| alterego | usb net .. | 16:14 |
| amr | what? | 16:14 |
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| alterego | Don't make me repeat myself three times .. | 16:15 |
| sp3000 | fnordianslip, dunno but this case was poking at the tablet from elsewhere | 16:15 |
| amr | you said usb net, if i knew what the hell you were talking about i would answer | 16:15 |
| alterego | O_o | 16:15 |
| * sp3000 doesn't see how usbnet is an answer to ftpd | 16:15 | |
| alterego | IF you don't know what I was talking about you could have said "No, I've not tried USB networking" .. | 16:15 |
| sp3000 | since ftpd assumes a network already | 16:16 |
| fnordianslip | sp3000: yep, but sshfs/fuse would be nice, but methinks it needs kernel modules | 16:16 |
| alterego | It was an idea to increase speed sp3000 | 16:16 |
| amr | alterego, i didnt know about usb networking, so no i haven't tried it - my response of 'what?' should have been a pretty big indication | 16:16 |
| alterego | fnordianslip, depends which way. I use sshfs to access my tablet from my desktop. | 16:16 |
| sp3000 | alterego: hence the <amr> who? :) | 16:16 |
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| amr | yeah i recall reading that someone was working on fuse but it required kernel modules | 16:17 |
| sp3000 | fnordianslip, but only at one end afaiui | 16:18 |
| fnordianslip | alterego: me too, but i'd like to do t the other way round. perhaps an sftp client would be easier, especially with intermittent connectivity | 16:18 |
| alterego | It requires a kernel module. But only for fuse on the N800. Like I said, I can access my N800 with fuse on my desktop and OpenSSH on the tablet. | 16:18 |
| script | ok ... libconic works on itos2006 .. great! | 16:18 |
| alterego | script, libconic is not a part of OS2006 | 16:19 |
| script | alterego: but it works | 16:19 |
| alterego | Maybe I'm mistaken. | 16:19 |
| alterego | I was under the impression it first appeared in 2007 | 16:19 |
| script | alterego: i didn't even reinstall it | 16:19 |
| script | alterego: thats what i read too | 16:19 |
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| script | alterego: but i just tested it on my 770 and it tells me "we're connected to xyz ..." | 16:19 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 16:20 |
| script | yes it is - and it saves me a lot of mess i guess :) | 16:20 |
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| alterego | Yeah, good to know. | 16:20 |
| ixiso | Is it possible to make a usb hdd to work on a n800 | 16:20 |
| timelyx | ixiso: ok, i've asked a proxy to help me out | 16:20 |
| alterego | ixiso, they should work out of the box with a power source and the correct cable/adapters | 16:20 |
| timelyx | not sure if it's going to work | 16:20 |
| truent | is libconic available in os2008? | 16:21 |
| alterego | All my USB storage devices work fine with OS2008 | 16:21 |
| alterego | truent, of course. | 16:21 |
| truent | i tried require 'conic' in ruby the other day | 16:21 |
| truent | no gewd | 16:21 |
| ixiso | timelyx: thanks! | 16:22 |
| alterego | truent, it's there :P | 16:22 |
| truent | ruby-maemo broken? | 16:22 |
| alterego | No, | 16:22 |
| ixiso | alterego: cool, this doesnt require cable soldering and all that mess right? | 16:23 |
| alterego | Well, yes it is. But conic should require okay :P | 16:23 |
| truent | heh | 16:23 |
| alterego | ixiso, no, you just need a male to male adapter. | 16:23 |
| timelyx | alterego: unfortunately the proxy i found doesn't seem to work | 16:23 |
| truent | it was in irb if that makes a diff | 16:23 |
| alterego | You can buy then for a couple of dollars at any decent electronics store. | 16:23 |
| Veggen | alterego: uh, so it'll provide power to the usb port now? | 16:23 |
| alterego | Veggen, no. I said earlier you need a power supply :P | 16:23 |
| Veggen | ah, right. To the USB-port on the n800 too, or just to your devices? | 16:24 |
| Cptnodegard | hah enda en nordmann :D | 16:24 |
| alterego | It does supply power. But not much. ~3.3v at 200ma | 16:25 |
| script | so ... now i'll try the con_ic_connection_get_all_iaps() stuff ... | 16:25 |
| ixiso | timelyx: hmmm... Thats ok. No hurries | 16:25 |
| script | thats what i really need :) | 16:25 |
| Veggen | Cpt: Har vært her lenge, jeg....dog ikke så veldig aktiv bestandig :) | 16:25 |
| Cptnodegard | ah | 16:25 |
| Cptnodegard | venter på n800 fra cdon :P 3200-> 2089 på vintersalg | 16:25 |
| truls | dyrt | 16:25 |
| * truls bought one from amazon | 16:26 | |
| alterego | truent, require 'conic' works fine for me. What version of ruby-maemo are you using? | 16:26 |
| Cptnodegard | amazon sender ikke hit | 16:26 |
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| Veggen | alterego: So a normal usb-powered hub and a male-to-male adapter is all you need? cool, I think I have that. | 16:26 |
| alterego | Veggen, yup. | 16:26 |
| alterego | Veggen, the HUB is optional for a powered USB hard drive though. As the large ones have their own PSUs. | 16:27 |
| Veggen | alterego: mm, true. | 16:27 |
| Veggen | wonder if my Nikon D200 does. probably not. | 16:27 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: for http://pastebin.mozilla.org/275965 ? | 16:27 |
| skibur | I just installed pidgin on my Slacky!!! | 16:28 |
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| ixiso | alterego: icic. So im assuming the boot menu that says boot usb disk will also work on 2008? | 16:28 |
| alterego | ixiso, I don't know. I've not setup dual booting yet .. | 16:28 |
| timelyx | sp3000: yeah | 16:28 |
| sp3000 | 212.23.59.7 and 212.23.59.16 gave me those with ?oh-hi-there | 16:28 |
| timelyx | sp3000: yeah, but i need a proxy server to redirect | 16:28 |
| timelyx | i found a perl proxy server, which i hacked | 16:28 |
| ixiso | Im still staying away from 2008 since skype doent work well | 16:28 |
| timelyx | but the server doesn't seem to work well enough to use | 16:28 |
| sp3000 | ah | 16:29 |
| Veggen | nuts. give me willpower not to drag out all the stuff and look for the needed parts, today. Just stuffed it away for christmas yesterday... | 16:29 |
| Cptnodegard | guess http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3205 and a split USB cable will give you on the run HDD support then, if you have a 2.5" external hdd | 16:29 |
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| Jaffa | Eugh, clicking "delete" in modest says "are you sure you want to delete message [...]". Need to find that page about undo vs. confirmation and raise a bug | 16:33 |
| skibur | Is Garnet VM open source? | 16:33 |
| Jaffa | Nope | 16:33 |
| ixiso | Cptnodegard: ic. I only have a 3.5hdd that will work anyway since has.its own power right? /Me not a hardware guy | 16:33 |
| skibur | What do I need to have to install it? | 16:33 |
| Cptnodegard | if you have the ac adapter yes, but then yuou need a ac outlet to use it :) | 16:33 |
| truls | Cptnodegard: joda, bare kjøp fra en amazon-tilknyttet selger | 16:33 |
| truls | Cptnodegard: jeg fikk levert til Japan | 16:34 |
| Cptnodegard | 3.5" HDD's use significantly more power than 2.5" ones, which can be run off usb only. using such a battery usb thing would make the HDD independent from a AC outlet | 16:34 |
| snak | skibur: someone tried Garnet VM yesterday. They had to reflash thier n800 as a result | 16:34 |
| Cptnodegard | truls: nice. a lot of work though :P and for warranty's sake, 2000 isnt that bad from a norwegian store | 16:35 |
| timelyx | sp3000: ok, grabbing on a different box, i'll push it back once i have them | 16:35 |
| ixiso | Cptnodegard: haha. Booting on a hdd will then be my next adventure | 16:35 |
| skibur | o k | 16:35 |
| ixiso | Just need to scrap luks for now | 16:35 |
| skibur | Will wait for the time being. :P Thanks for the heads up | 16:36 |
| snak | if you see "thefool" ask him about it | 16:36 |
| snak | he was a bit pissed off -.- | 16:36 |
| * pupnik plays some 'sven' | 16:36 | |
| skibur | :) | 16:36 |
| skibur | I would be too | 16:36 |
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| skibur | Especially with the REPOS issues right now, downloading is a female dog. :P | 16:37 |
| snak | "_" | 16:37 |
| timelyx | ixiso: try again | 16:38 |
| * skibur = skybur != skeebur | 16:38 | |
| timelyx | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 16:40 |
| infobot | hmm... repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 16:40 |
| timelyx | skibur: try that | 16:40 |
| timelyx | if you have problems, use pastebin.mozilla.org to give me a list of files that don't work | 16:40 |
| skibur | trying it out... | 16:41 |
| ixiso | timelyx: same thing still :( | 16:42 |
| timelyx | um | 16:42 |
| ixiso | Tried 3x already | 16:42 |
| Cptnodegard | is there a way of charging a N800 with USB? not necessarily through its usb, but maybe a cable that charges through the normal AC hole but from USB | 16:43 |
| ixiso | Does these repo issues happen often/? | 16:43 |
| fnordianslip | Cptnodegard i have such a cable. it seems to charge but not very fast. | 16:43 |
| Jaffa | ixiso: nope - this is the first time for this exact problem. But a month or so ago, most of *.maemo.org was broken (excluding the repository IIRC) | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | For anyone who hates "are you sure" dialogues, please vote on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2645 | 16:44 |
| timelyx | ixiso: try clearing apt cache in application manager (requires red pill) | 16:44 |
| Cptnodegard | fnordianslip: i see. i was thinking for use when the internal battery is flat, run it off usb. is that possible, or doesnt usb provide enough power to run directly off it? | 16:45 |
| timelyx | the last log entry i have for bora is ~half an hour ago | 16:45 |
| sp3000 | Jaffa: meh, doesn't stop is a bit too certain | 16:45 |
| sp3000 | does it have undo for that though? | 16:45 |
| pupnik | "If at first you don't succeed...." | 16:45 |
| pupnik | "... don't take-up skydiving." | 16:45 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: your repo mirror isn't exactly speedy | 16:46 |
| * sp3000 goes try to find food | 16:46 | |
| timelyx | Jaffa: it's dreamhost, what speed are you getting? | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | sp3000: true - hyperbole on my part. Apologies, I should've said "doesn't stop most people deleting emails they didn't intend to at least once" | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: last time apt-get showed me a counter it said 328B/s | 16:47 |
| timelyx | um | 16:47 |
| fnordianslip | Cptnodegard: not really sure. usb gives up to 500mA IIRC. charger is rated at 890mA. i've never tried USB charging with a flat battery, just use it for toppin gup. | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: 1% [2 libevas0 7240/175kB 4%] 713B/s 1h6m14s | 16:48 |
| sp3000 | Jaffa: I'd think it should stop an accidental action pretty well, incorrect action maybe not so much | 16:48 |
| sp3000 | Jaffa: Settings Saved [OK] :) | 16:49 |
| timelyx | sp3000: did i file that bug | 16:49 |
| timelyx | or just report it directly | 16:49 |
| sp3000 | I think it would have been in the direct list | 16:49 |
| Cptnodegard | fnordianslip: IC. I ordered a shoshine USB two way charger and 4 900mAh AAA batteries for it. The usb charger can provide 1000mAh through its USB, and if the charger uses 890mAh, the 900mAh batteries should more or less provide 1 hour of normal non-slowed down charging to the N800. In theory :) | 16:49 |
| Cptnodegard | that is, the charger is 5V? | 16:50 |
| fnordianslip | Cptnodegard: yep. 5v | 16:50 |
| skibur | KDE, Qtopia, Garnet VM, and What Else? On the N800/N810 projects are Freaking Sweet! | 16:50 |
| Xxaxx | Garnet VM don't working | 16:50 |
| Xxaxx | atm | 16:50 |
| skibur | look great on OS2007 | 16:51 |
| Xxaxx | under OS2008 | 16:51 |
| snak | said that already xD | 16:51 |
| kbsingh | all you star wars fans, specially those that like it lego style : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw | 16:51 |
| skibur | Which Project will be Kick Butt in the 2008? | 16:51 |
| skibur | lol | 16:51 |
| snak | WHAT!? STAR WARS! YES | 16:51 |
| ixiso | timelyx: dls still broken :(... Though i just deleted all the debs in archives and archives/partial | 16:52 |
| kbsingh | snak: its infectious | 16:52 |
| snak | skibur: mine, after i install maemo SDK and figure out how to program it =) | 16:52 |
| halley | kbsingh, all you star wars fans, specially those who like it bagpipe style: ink = pen - self.cooked[-1][0] | 16:52 |
| halley | far = ink.magnitude() | 16:52 |
| halley | if far < JITTER: | 16:52 |
| halley | continue | 16:52 |
| halley | far = int(far * 3 / span) | 16:52 |
| halley | Err. Sorry. | 16:52 |
| kbsingh | halley: GAH! | 16:52 |
| skibur | lol | 16:52 |
| skibur | what is your project Snak? | 16:52 |
| halley | kbsingh, all you star wars fans, specially those who like it bagpipe style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgGtjNqrdHA | 16:52 |
| snak | havent got one yet | 16:52 |
| snak | im in the process of learning to program it ^_^ | 16:53 |
| timelyx | ixiso: hrm | 16:53 |
| timelyx | 62.49.18.154 - - [23/Dec/2007:06:02:44 -0800] "GET /extras/pool/bora/free/p/python-dbus/python2.5-dbus_0.71-1osso8_armel.deb HTTP/1.1" 200 89559 "-" "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" | 16:53 |
| kbsingh | halley: grim | 16:53 |
| timelyx | that's the last record i have of a bora request | 16:53 |
| timelyx | and it's the same one i had earlier | 16:53 |
| timelyx | can someone please explain what http://repository.maemo.org/stable is ? | 16:54 |
| FMZ | Any word yet on Videocenter and / or fixes to Canola2 podcast support? | 16:54 |
| halley | timelyx, oxymoron? | 16:54 |
| FMZ | timelyx: It's where they keep the horses | 16:55 |
| * pupnik scuttles off like MC-Hammer moving sideways | 16:55 | |
| FMZ | o_O | 16:55 |
| *** pupnik is now known as pupnik-afk | 16:55 | |
| Cptnodegard | rofl, halley, brilliant video | 16:55 |
| kbsingh | this is the non lego ver http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s2HAksk3w4&feature=related | 16:56 |
| Cptnodegard | and the lego thing xD | 16:56 |
| snak | nice star wars vid btw | 16:56 |
| Cptnodegard | trek > gate > wars though | 16:57 |
| ixiso | timelyx: hmmm... Weird if i put one of the deb in my browser i see the same error. Is it possible that my isp has tranParent proxy? | 16:57 |
| Knirchmas | ^ b5 > | 16:57 |
| snak | actually, its trek > wars > gate | 16:58 |
| Cptnodegard | nah stargate pwns | 16:58 |
| Cptnodegard | atlantis ftw | 16:58 |
| snak | no it doesnt, sg1 finished cause it ran out of steam and atlantis is running out of steam too | 16:58 |
| Knirchmas | stargate is one of those series that grow on you. at first, I really didn't like it, but hey, after 5-6 years it got moderetly enjoyable | 16:59 |
| kbsingh | sorry for starting all this OT chatter :/ | 16:59 |
| * kbsingh gets his coat | 16:59 | |
| snak | and star wars has lightsabers | 16:59 |
| youam | snak: "out of steam" after being the longest running scifi show (except dr who, perhaps) | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | Best of Trek == Best of Gate > Wars. Unfortunately set(worst of Trek) > set(worst of Gate) | 16:59 |
| FMZ | sg1 ran out of steam a few years ago... the damn writers got out and pushed. | 16:59 |
| Knirchmas | Jaffa: I take it you haven't sat through the entire TAS then :D | 16:59 |
| snak | FMZ: aggreed | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | Knirchmas: I meant set(worst of Trek).isWorseThan(set(worst of Gate)) ;-) | 17:00 |
| Knirchmas | Jaffa: and I _STILL_ don't think you've seen the entire TAS :) | 17:00 |
| Knirchmas | oh | 17:00 |
| Knirchmas | nm | 17:00 |
| Knirchmas | :D | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | :) | 17:00 |
| snak | while(1) printf("Wtf?"); | 17:00 |
| Knirchmas | that said, I haven't seen the animated gate stuff | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | Not seen all of TAS, no. Seen enough. Some of it (_Yesteryear_ is very cool) | 17:01 |
| Jaffa | Knirchmas: It's unofficial and not connected with the movies or the TV series in any way except some of the concepts | 17:01 |
| timelyx | ixiso: which url? | 17:01 |
| timelyx | ixiso: when i load it w/ my browser, i get; | 17:02 |
| timelyx | !<arch> | 17:02 |
| timelyx | debian-binary ... | 17:02 |
| Cptnodegard | hmm, has there been any software updates for the n800 allowing for A2DP support? | 17:02 |
| snak | atlantis plots have been hit and miss lately | 17:03 |
| snak | the latest one is rubbish | 17:03 |
| Cptnodegard | SG1 isnt finished through :P | 17:04 |
| Cptnodegard | though | 17:04 |
| Cptnodegard | only the tv series is done | 17:04 |
| ixiso | timelyx: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/e/epsilon/epsilon0-bin_0.3.0.011-maemo.2_armel.deb only tried this though | 17:05 |
| timelyx | ixiso: seems fine from my side | 17:05 |
| timelyx | what does it show? | 17:05 |
| snak | I thaught it got too epic to be any good anymore, it happens to tv shows that go on too long and dont know where to take the plot | 17:06 |
| * timelyx sees someone trying to get sqlite | 17:07 | |
| halley | It's called "jumping the shark". | 17:07 |
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| ixiso | timelyx: The service is temporarily unavailable. We are very sorry for the inconvinience it may cause. | 17:07 |
| Cptnodegard | i want the LCARS skin that i saw for the 770, when i get my n800 ^^ that looked freakin sweet | 17:08 |
| timelyx | ixiso: that file isn't coming form me | 17:08 |
| maddler | heya Cptnodegard! :) | 17:09 |
| timelyx | ixiso: try loading repository.maemo.org/xx | 17:09 |
| maddler | Cptnodegard: didn't knew you wre in maemo stuff as well :) | 17:09 |
| Cptnodegard | lol maddler you have an IT? | 17:09 |
| maddler | Cptnodegard: you bet! | 17:09 |
| Cptnodegard | just ordered mine two days ago :p | 17:09 |
| Cptnodegard | started joining here to learn about stuff | 17:09 |
| maddler | 800 or 810? | 17:09 |
| Cptnodegard | 800 | 17:09 |
| Cptnodegard | winter sale, the 810 is way out of my league | 17:10 |
| Cptnodegard | as its 650 bucks here xD | 17:10 |
| timelyx | ARG | 17:10 |
| ixiso | timelyx: Not Found | 17:10 |
| ixiso | The requested URL /xx was not found on this server. | 17:10 |
| ixiso | Apache/1.3.33 Server at stage.maemo.org Port 80 | 17:10 |
| * timelyx ran out of disk space | 17:10 | |
| maddler | yep... nad OS2008 on N800 is simply great! | 17:10 |
| timelyx | ixiso: that's not me :) | 17:10 |
| timelyx | me is: | 17:10 |
| timelyx | Sorry, I can't find that file | 17:10 |
| ixiso | Hmm | 17:11 |
| maddler | nad==and | 17:11 |
| Cptnodegard | yeah have to update to that when i get it... stupid holidays in the way :( | 17:11 |
| maddler | I'm going to get an n810 with new year... :) | 17:13 |
| snak | just out of curiosity, how many people here are students? | 17:15 |
| ixiso | timelyx: i dont need to restart to make /etc/hosts work right? | 17:15 |
| Xxaxx | right | 17:15 |
| timelyx | you shouldn't | 17:15 |
| fnordianslip | i didn't | 17:15 |
| kbsingh | depends on your glibc resolver lib policy :D | 17:15 |
| kbsingh | restarting the app might help, however | 17:16 |
| Xxaxx | scummvm without binds on letters for broken sword 2 :( can't save game | 17:16 |
| ixiso | Hmm thats weird | 17:16 |
| snak | im gonna take it theres no students here O.o | 17:16 |
| ixiso | maybe my isp is messing with me | 17:17 |
| ixiso | Haha | 17:17 |
| timelyx | ixiso: it shouldn't be | 17:17 |
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| timelyx | ixiso: as long as your computer is correctly picking an ip address | 17:17 |
| kbsingh | timelyx: might be worth putting together some of this stuff into a wiki page somewhere. in the last 2 days, almost all conversation here seems to be heading down the exact same path | 17:17 |
| timelyx | the isp can't redirect it to a different ip address | 17:17 |
| Xxaxx | how can I type something to application without onscreen keyboard support? | 17:18 |
| Xxaxx | any letter :/ | 17:18 |
| zoran | console? | 17:18 |
| ixiso | timelyx: oh well, any other ideas? | 17:18 |
| Xxaxx | zoran: console what? :) | 17:19 |
| timelyx | ixiso: can you pastebin.mozilla.org /etc/hosts | 17:19 |
| * timelyx is confused | 17:19 | |
| zoran | console app | 17:19 |
| Xxaxx | nope, gui | 17:19 |
| zoran | or graphical one | 17:19 |
| Xxaxx | scummvm!:) | 17:19 |
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| zoran | probably no way | 17:19 |
| zoran | maybe on n810 | 17:20 |
| Xxaxx | hm, strange | 17:20 |
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| zoran | app takes input, whatever it is | 17:20 |
| zoran | maybe some tweak in variables | 17:20 |
| ixiso | timelyx: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/276033 | 17:20 |
| Xxaxx | maybe some application can send command to X for this | 17:21 |
| Xxaxx | "type letter A" :) | 17:21 |
| * timelyx ponders | 17:21 | |
| timelyx | Xxaxx: have you looked at the xbthid ? | 17:21 |
| zoran | line set $INPUT /dev/sda1 | 17:21 |
| zoran | *like | 17:21 |
| zoran | but, it could make device unresponsoble | 17:22 |
| Xxaxx | timelyx: what is it? | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: getting much better speed now | 17:23 |
| zoran | bluetooth device? | 17:23 |
| Cptnodegard | maddler, do you ever go on pocketables? jenn, who rus the site, has both n810 and n800 - some nice comparison pics. a keyboard is nice, but IMO an extra sdhc port is just as useful for me, since im gonna buy a BT keyboard anyways | 17:23 |
| timelyx | ixiso: i don't suppose you have ssh installed? | 17:24 |
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| ixiso | timelyx: i have | 17:25 |
| maddler | Cptnodegard: no... kever heard about it... | 17:25 |
| maddler | Cptnodegard: url? | 17:25 |
| ixiso | But im behind a router | 17:25 |
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| maddler | yep... tow SD slots are reat... | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | Cptnodegard: I find the built-in keyboard in the N810 much handier than the separate keyboard I had with my N800. Not as handy as on a Psion, of course; but pretty good. | 17:26 |
| maddler | Jaffa: Psion 5MX was amazing! | 17:26 |
| maddler | I had two... | 17:26 |
| ixiso | do tne bluetooth kybiards work well on emacs? | 17:26 |
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| ixiso | Err sorry for the typoes :) | 17:27 |
| timelyx | ixiso: try ssh -v -v -v repository.maemo.org | 17:27 |
| Cptnodegard | maddler: http://www.pocketables.net/ - jenn used to write for ABi too, but shes more of a pocketables generally person and not just DAPs, her site is a nice read though. lots of reviews of UMPCs, tablets etc | 17:27 |
| timelyx | ixiso: it'll tell you what ip address it picked in the debug output | 17:28 |
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| Cptnodegard | Jaffa: Yeah, built in keyboard is indeed nice. though i'm buying the n800 primarily for school use (instead of that heavy laptop), and carrying a BT keyboard isnt much hassle to get bigger keys. | 17:28 |
| zoran | or nmap, it gives ip address | 17:29 |
| maddler | nice site... | 17:29 |
| Cptnodegard | it used to be pink :p | 17:30 |
| maddler | hehehe | 17:30 |
| maddler | gray is way better! | 17:30 |
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| ixiso | timelyx: done. Password please :) | 17:31 |
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| timelyx | ixiso: you're not supposed to log in | 17:36 |
| timelyx | debug1: Connecting to repository.maemo.org [_what_is_here_] port 22. | 17:36 |
| zoran | port is open, 213.254.238.145 | 17:37 |
| zoran | resolves to 2 ips | 17:37 |
| zoran | and looks like win box | 17:38 |
| zoran | or with samba | 17:39 |
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| L0cutus | maemo repository debs again corrupted ?!? | 17:41 |
| zoran | yes for me | 17:41 |
| timelyx | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 17:42 |
| infobot | repository.maemo.org deb is probably unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 17:42 |
| timelyx | L0cutus / zoran: feel free to try using that | 17:42 |
| * timelyx still can't figure out why ixiso isn't getting the right behavior | 17:42 | |
| zoran | timelyx, I still cannot get correct gregale list from that repo | 17:43 |
| timelyx | grep host /etc/nsswitch.conf | 17:43 |
| timelyx | zoran: gregale!? | 17:43 |
| timelyx | which repo, normal, extras, extras-devel? | 17:43 |
| zoran | yes, fine beast | 17:43 |
| zoran | all of them, probably normal is making the problem | 17:43 |
| zoran | and all non-free | 17:43 |
| zoran | recalling from log | 17:44 |
| timelyx | zoran: can you pastebin.mozilla.org the log ? | 17:45 |
| zoran | timelyx, what to remove to try from the start? whatever I do, cannot refresh the list | 17:45 |
| timelyx | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/gregale/non-free/binary-armel/Packages | 17:45 |
| timelyx | zoran: enable red pill mode | 17:45 |
| zoran | timelyx, not this evening | 17:45 |
| timelyx | then go into settings | 17:45 |
| zoran | and I did | 17:45 |
| timelyx | there should be some check box for clearing things | 17:45 |
| zoran | whatever I do, it says " cannot refresh, go to list from 17.12 | 17:46 |
| zoran | literaly everything | 17:46 |
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| zoran | removing status didn't help | 17:47 |
| timelyx | try killing /var/lib/apt/lists | 17:47 |
| zoran | k | 17:47 |
| zoran | need time | 17:48 |
| Cptnodegard | ok, a Q fo ryou N800 users. Xvid, ~1000 kpbs, ~625x350/~520x380 resolution (16:9/4:3) - will mplayer be able to run something like that well without conversion? I've gotten both yes' and no's on xvid and divx on it, so found the most used spcs with my files. | 17:48 |
| timelyx | most people pick 400x240 w/ doubling | 17:48 |
| sp3000 | gpesummary is apparently apps::feedreader | 17:48 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: eh | 17:49 |
| * sp3000 is just trolling around recent bugs :P | 17:49 | |
| Cptnodegard | timeless: so thats a no on running those xvid specs? | 17:49 |
| Cptnodegard | *timelyx | 17:49 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 17:49 |
| timelyx | Cptnodegard: *shrug* | 17:49 |
| timelyx | and i'm both, so that's no problem | 17:49 |
| * timelyx doesn't deal w/ video | 17:49 | |
| sp3000 | timelyx: well if gpecalendar is apps::calculator, that makes sense eh ;) | 17:49 |
| * zoran gone to feed dragons | 17:50 | |
| timelyx | sp3000: misdirected:<something> | 17:50 |
| sp3000 | if there was a risk of misdirected bugs bothering a more focused set of people in this case I'd suggest apps::other to catch these, but maybe that's not a real risk currently | 17:52 |
| sp3000 | not nearly enough bugs for that :) | 17:52 |
| timelyx | heh | 17:52 |
| timelyx | sp3000: thanks for commenting in the bookmarks bug | 17:53 |
| timelyx | did i botch that? | 17:53 |
| Jaffa | Cptnodegard: I just run stuff through <plug> http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html </plug>. Supposedly depending on level of action, 640x368 DivX/Xvid has worked with mplayers, but I transocde to save space anyway | 17:54 |
| timelyx | sp3000: is the -f needed? | 17:55 |
| sp3000 | yes, otherwise the arg would be script text | 17:55 |
| timelyx | the filename would be treated as a script text? | 17:56 |
| sp3000 | sed would | 17:56 |
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| timelyx | clearly i never use sed w/ files :) | 17:57 |
| ixiso | timelyx: its getting late here. Il will try again tom. Thanks for all the help. | 17:57 |
| timelyx | ixiso: sorry, i don't get it | 17:58 |
| ixiso | ? | 17:58 |
| timelyx | why your device is behaving differently | 17:58 |
| ixiso | oh | 17:58 |
| timelyx | did i ask you to grep host /etc/nsswitch.conf ? | 17:59 |
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| timelyx | oh wait | 17:59 |
| timelyx | is your connection configured to use a proxy? | 17:59 |
| timelyx | if it is, then dns resolution wouldn't happen in the client | 17:59 |
| timelyx | and that'd do it | 17:59 |
| timelyx | (in control panel/connections) | 17:59 |
| timelyx | sp3000: can you do some sort of sanity check to confirm whether apt-cache works w/ gregale repos? | 18:00 |
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| ixiso | hosts: files dns | 18:00 |
| * timelyx chuckles | 18:01 | |
| timelyx | i suppose i could actually use the 770 that's sitting in front of me (and powered on) | 18:01 |
| ixiso | ? | 18:01 |
| ol_schoola | me yawns and scratches | 18:02 |
| ol_schoola | morning | 18:02 |
| timelyx | ixiso: i'm inherently lazy :) | 18:02 |
| timelyx | ok | 18:03 |
| ol_schoola | timelyx: sign of a good coder | 18:03 |
| timelyx | application manager didn't let me install mxr-*.deb | 18:03 |
| timelyx | ok, repository deb worked fine | 18:04 |
| timelyx | cute, trying to install it a second time "just worked" | 18:05 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: what sort of sanity check? | 18:05 |
| timelyx | basically does apt-get update and apt-cache search work for gregale | 18:06 |
| ixiso | timelyx: gtg now. Will get back tom here. Thanks again. | 18:07 |
| ixiso | Byebye | 18:07 |
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| timelyx | ixiso: sorry, gregale for / is working fine non-free + free | 18:07 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: extras gregale seems to give reasonable looking results in sbox | 18:08 |
| timelyx | hrm | 18:08 |
| timelyx | extras gregale just failed here | 18:08 |
| timelyx | [Sun Dec 23 08:08:08 2007] [error] [client 88.115.13.211] File does not exist: /mnt/sidestep/vol/white/postal/timeless/reposit | 18:09 |
| timelyx | ory.maemo.org/extras/dists/gregale | 18:09 |
| k-s[AWAY] | FMZ: no fixes for canola2 until january, and probably it's end of january | 18:09 |
| timelyx | arg | 18:09 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: ...oh, your rmo? | 18:09 |
| * timelyx is out of disk space | 18:09 | |
| timelyx | sp3000: yeah | 18:09 |
| sp3000 | this was the real one :) | 18:10 |
| timelyx | ok. so i need to figure out which things i'm not supposed to have :) | 18:10 |
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| skibur | I'm back now | 18:10 |
| amr | hi2u | 18:10 |
| skibur | I was just updating my Slacky | 18:10 |
| timelyx | k-s: good, because my repository if it ever updates won't update for a while :) | 18:12 |
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| fnordianslip | what was that recently announced website with the apps for internet sharing of music etc? anyone remember? | 18:23 |
| fnordianslip | i can't find any links anywhere. it is like i dreamt the whole thing. | 18:27 |
| alterego | What makes you think we know? | 18:28 |
| fnordianslip | optimism mostly | 18:28 |
| alterego | O_o | 18:29 |
| timelyx | sp3000? | 18:29 |
| timelyx | sp3000 / Jaffa: what's wrong with these pictures: | 18:29 |
| timelyx | http://www.jan-jansen.be/index.php/2007/11/25/nokia_internet_tablet_n810_part_3 | 18:29 |
| timelyx | (presumably, they're press pictures or nokia videos, and not the fault of the blogger) | 18:29 |
| MikeL | fnordianslip: webbot? webcat? like orb called something like that, | 18:30 |
| * timelyx cries | 18:30 | |
| fnordianslip | yes.. something like that | 18:30 |
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| MikeL | webot :-) | 18:32 |
| guardian | woo i got my hands on a N810 | 18:32 |
| fnordianslip | woohoo. cheers mikel. | 18:32 |
| MikeL | http://www.webot.com/index.cfm?event=N810 | 18:32 |
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| sp3000 | timelyx: isle of man is in a green sea, the stylus is 770's? | 18:35 |
| timelyx | heh | 18:35 |
| sp3000 | no running app icon, but that's just details | 18:36 |
| timelyx | they photoshopped it! | 18:36 |
| sp3000 | the 664x354 text on top of tn and app is a bit surprising | 18:37 |
| timelyx | yeah... | 18:37 |
| sp3000 | those are screenshots from the flash pres that's linked to | 18:38 |
| sp3000 | so since that's animated and all I'd forgive them some of it | 18:40 |
| sp3000 | the odd text doesn't seem to be present in the flash | 18:40 |
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| cymacs | does anybody know what the os2008 equivalent of "maemo-gtk-im-switch xim" is? (i.e.: how to turn on regular x input method on 2008) | 18:57 |
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| skibur | ? | 18:58 |
| halley | cymacs, no, but what language do you need? | 18:59 |
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| halley | cymacs, scim-anthy is in maemo-japanese-support (maemocjk.garage.maemo.org) | 19:00 |
| cymacs | halley: i managed to compile synergy2 for 2008 and i just want to see the cursor :-) | 19:00 |
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| sp3000 | hmm, google maps is giving me weird hints | 19:06 |
| sp3000 | Katso reittiohjeet, esim. jfk: %1$s 350 5th ave, new york: %2$s seattle: %1$s 98109: %2$s | 19:06 |
| Jaffa | Select all/who | 19:06 |
| Jaffa | Doh | 19:07 |
| sp3000 | (did you mean) Tarkoititko: jfk: %1s 350 5th ave, new york: %2s | 19:07 |
| sp3000 | why yes I did! | 19:07 |
| shackan | is there a vnc client saner than vncviewer? for some unspeakable reason it insists on sending my keyboard input TWICE | 19:10 |
| halley | See if there's some duplex setting. | 19:10 |
| shackan | there's none | 19:11 |
| skibur | Doesn't anybody own a Mac? | 19:11 |
| fnordianslip | yep | 19:11 |
| fnordianslip | i do | 19:12 |
| skibur | What is the feature that shows all mini widgets on the screen? | 19:12 |
| halley | Dashboard | 19:12 |
| fnordianslip | yep | 19:12 |
| halley | F12 by default | 19:12 |
| skibur | o yes | 19:12 |
| skibur | thats it | 19:12 |
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| skibur | is there something like on linux? | 19:13 |
| skibur | I mean, Distros? | 19:13 |
| skibur | Image having a Dashboard on OS2008 | 19:13 |
| skibur | Imagine | 19:13 |
| Freefood | is there an easy way to install files from this site | 19:13 |
| Freefood | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=93 | 19:14 |
| Freefood | or is there a bit of work involved just to install tehm | 19:14 |
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| shackan | Freefood: you can't just click in the .deb ? | 19:15 |
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| Freefood | have tried it | 19:15 |
| Freefood | and it says part of file missing | 19:15 |
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| johnx | It's probably just not downloading correctly | 19:18 |
| Freefood | cheers thanks | 19:18 |
| Freefood | thats all i needed to know | 19:19 |
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| kbsingh | so,is there atleast a place that lists all the various repos' available out there ? | 19:21 |
| kbsingh | I just found out that even claws has their own thing | 19:21 |
| johnx | http://gronmayer.com/it | 19:22 |
| kbsingh | johnx: thanks | 19:23 |
| kbsingh | humm it seems to think http://repository.maemo.org/ is online but empty, yet i can see packages there | 19:25 |
| * johnx shrugs | 19:25 | |
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| tontsa | in this final os2008 how do you mark text for copy paste | 19:33 |
| sp3000 | depends | 19:33 |
| tontsa | (in xterm) | 19:33 |
| sp3000 | just tap and drag? | 19:34 |
| tontsa | i mean its not very reliable.. sometimes it marks some text.. just not the parts you want | 19:34 |
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| Dregz | i just reinstalled os2008 using linux and in the "about it says tablet and version are unknown, any ideas? | 19:36 |
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| Dregz | but loads and operates properly | 19:36 |
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| johnx | Dregz, That's pretty interesting...I think I've heard of that once before but I don't remember where | 19:38 |
| johnx | if I were you, I'd try reflashing to see if that fixes things | 19:39 |
| johnx | did you get any odd messages during the flash? | 19:39 |
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| Dregz | maybe have something to do with the file being saved as a .php and then renamed? | 19:39 |
| Dregz | no errors or messages | 19:39 |
| Locutus6711 | Hi. My mew N800 starts only when the battery was not inserted for a few hours. Any ideas or solutions? | 19:39 |
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| halley | Locutus6711, so it did restart last night? | 19:40 |
| hahlo | I flashed os2008 and installed skype, it keeps falling after few sec call. with os2007 I spoke hours with skype. | 19:40 |
| Locutus6711 | yes | 19:40 |
| halley | Locutus6711, and what does the charge level read? | 19:41 |
| skibur | is nicotine ok? | 19:41 |
| Locutus6711 | I mean the battery was not in the device in the last night and I tried it today again and it worked | 19:41 |
| halley | Locutus6711, and what does the charge level read now? | 19:41 |
| Locutus6711 | 1 hours left | 19:41 |
| halley | Locutus6711, leave it to charge fully for multiple hours without the screen on. | 19:42 |
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| halley | Locutus6711, let it learn what a full charge is. | 19:42 |
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| Locutus6711 | ok, I will try that until tomorrow | 19:42 |
| halley | Locutus6711, it should get to read something like 8 hrs full use, or 8 days standby. | 19:42 |
| halley | Maybe more. | 19:43 |
| Locutus6711 | it was somehing like that in the beginning | 19:43 |
| hahlo | Must be that overclocked cpu which crash skype. | 19:43 |
| tbf | Strange that the route planing app comes without a map. How to test without a map? | 19:43 |
| johnx | hahlo: it works fine for me and lots of other people. Also, the CPU was "underclocked" to begin with | 19:44 |
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| johnx | hahlo, Did you restore your settings from a backup when you moved from 2007OS to 2008OS? | 19:44 |
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| hahlo | no I made new | 19:45 |
| johnx | sorry, no idea then | 19:45 |
| hahlo | strange | 19:45 |
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| hahlo | first it didn't install until I download it from skype | 19:46 |
| hahlo | then crashe | 19:46 |
| skibur | WoW! Amarok for Windows? | 19:47 |
| skibur | Nice | 19:47 |
| sp3000 | tbf, menu -> maps -> dow | 19:49 |
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| sp3000 | nload | 19:49 |
| sp3000 | afaiui it requires an mmc2 (n800 internal slot or n810 built-in) | 19:50 |
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| halley | Signatures invalid for catalogue.taleteer.nokia.com? | 19:52 |
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| sp3000 | that's what 2638 says | 19:58 |
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| sp3000 | (although that's for bora, but afaics chinook gets the same) | 19:58 |
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| tbf | How do i authenticate to smb servers? | 20:00 |
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| fnordianslip | are hcitool and sdptool available on OS2008 ? | 20:02 |
| timelyx | fnordianslip: try using bora for bluez-utils-test to get hcitool | 20:03 |
| fnordianslip | tnx. | 20:04 |
| timelyx | http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/find?string=sdptool | 20:04 |
| timelyx | (if you have mxr-maemo-org-dns) indicates that it's probably in the same class | 20:04 |
| timelyx | no idea why bluez-utils-test isn't in chinook | 20:04 |
| fnordianslip | that url doesn't work for me | 20:05 |
| hahlo | timelyx: should skype work in os2008 too? | 20:05 |
| timelyx | the installer supposedly is included in os2008 | 20:06 |
| hahlo | mine keeps crashing | 20:06 |
| tontsa | skype works fine in os2008 | 20:07 |
| hahlo | os2007 works fine me too | 20:07 |
| hahlo | but not os2008 | 20:07 |
| timelyx | skibur: my mac runs 10.3.9, no dashboard | 20:08 |
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| timelyx | Dregz; the image is a binary image, the filename doesn't matter | 20:10 |
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| Dregz | ok, just chane it for use with the installer? | 20:10 |
| Dregz | *change | 20:10 |
| hahlo | voice is also bad lot rätinää like in overclocked pc when bus speed is too high | 20:11 |
| timelyx | the flasher really shouldn't care about the filename | 20:11 |
| Dregz | ok i'll try again | 20:11 |
| skibur | hum... | 20:11 |
| timelyx | fwiw cat /etc/osso_software_version | 20:12 |
| timelyx | and about: / javascript:navigator.userAgent | 20:12 |
| timelyx | are ways to check the system version | 20:12 |
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| fnordianslip | hmm. can't instal bluez-utils-test from bora due to dependency issues | 20:13 |
| timelyx | fnordianslip: oh | 20:13 |
| timelyx | well.. um | 20:13 |
| timelyx | you could probably try forcing it :) | 20:13 |
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| hahlo | I flash os2007 back, I already tried os2008 once when beta and went back os2007 | 20:14 |
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| fnordianslip | nope. forcing is nfg too. hmm. | 20:20 |
| skibur | Does anybody have problems with the UPDATE by RSS feed for Maemo.org Application 2008? | 20:22 |
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| skibur | My Applet seems not to update at all | 20:22 |
| skibur | anybody have problems similar to mine? | 20:22 |
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| timelyx | skibur: could you provide some specific urls | 20:39 |
| skibur | ok | 20:39 |
| timelyx | and an idea about what items are missing? | 20:39 |
| skibur | http://maemo.org/downloads/rss/OS2008/rss.xml | 20:40 |
| skibur | seems not to update on my N800 - OS2008 | 20:40 |
| skibur | When I manually update, I get an error. Something like, "Update error...". | 20:41 |
| skibur | I'm using the Applet. The default applet | 20:41 |
| timelyx | file a bug, applications:feed reader, fill in the url field, explain what you did | 20:43 |
| timelyx | try to get the exact error message | 20:43 |
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| halley | Anyone know what the GPG status is for tableteer? Signatures invalid for catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com. | 20:44 |
| timelyx | halley: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2638 | 20:45 |
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| skibur | ok | 20:46 |
| skibur | cool | 20:46 |
| skibur | will do | 20:46 |
| halley | timelyx, anyone who could fix that is out for New Years'? ;) | 20:46 |
| halley | Is this why you're cloning repos? | 20:47 |
| timelyx | i have no idea who could fix that | 20:47 |
| crafton | timelyx, repos are working for me enterely | 20:47 |
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| timelyx | crafton: good to hear | 20:48 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 20:48 | |
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| crafton | are running well for you now? | 20:49 |
| crafton | see if you have the same problem, i fixed it with: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=114451&postcount=18 | 20:49 |
| crafton | seems a spelling mistake | 20:50 |
| crafton | i changed it for extras and extras-devel | 20:50 |
| truent | man | 20:51 |
| truent | can i get chinook sdk? | 20:51 |
| truent | heh | 20:51 |
| truent | been tryin for days | 20:51 |
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| fnordianslip | has everyone rushed off to try the typo fix? | 20:55 |
| truent | repostory eh | 20:57 |
| truent | i can dig it | 20:57 |
| truent | wish i knew how to change that for this sdk download | 20:57 |
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| fnordianslip | truent: what specifically are you after | 20:58 |
| truent | chinook sdk.. | 20:59 |
| truent | theres a script they wrote to download all the latest maemo stuff to your scratchbox | 20:59 |
| timelyx | truent: what's up? | 20:59 |
| truent | timelyx, yo | 20:59 |
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| truent | just changed /etc/apt/sources.list | 21:01 |
| truent | in scratchbox | 21:01 |
| truent | we'll see | 21:01 |
| truent | no good | 21:01 |
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| timelyx | truent: what error? | 21:02 |
| truent | size mismatch.. 404... | 21:02 |
| truent | but.. | 21:02 |
| truent | when i run the script to install the sdk i think it resets the scratchbox stuff | 21:02 |
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| truent | so i cant change it in there | 21:02 |
| timelyx | heh | 21:02 |
| timelyx | truent: well um... | 21:03 |
| truent | yeah, i'm fooked | 21:03 |
| truent | heh | 21:03 |
| truent | and thats why your /etc/hosts fix didnt change anything last night | 21:05 |
| fnordianslip | an u change the script? | 21:05 |
| truent | cuz the sdk install script somehow resets my scratchbox stuff | 21:05 |
| fnordianslip | blame missing c on macbook pro keybd bug | 21:05 |
| truent | theres only one place i see respository.maemo.org in the script | 21:06 |
| truent | and i changed that | 21:06 |
| timelyx | is http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/maemo-sdk-install_4.0.sh | 21:06 |
| timelyx | the top level script? | 21:06 |
| truent | same name | 21:06 |
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| timelyx | truent: i don't have any disk space, but which part of the process actually goes unhappy? | 21:10 |
| jjo__ | truent: if you want to have a different sources.list at installa time you'll have to provide it to the installer | 21:11 |
| timelyx | truent: i think the easiest way to make this work is to cheat | 21:11 |
| timelyx | use -p my_magical_proxy:8888 | 21:11 |
| truent | if i run /maemo-sdk-install_4.0.sh... it sets up rootstraps.. checks a few things.. then starts downloading seemingly every .deb in the repo.. fails at number 403 or so of its i think 420 or so debs | 21:11 |
| timelyx | have my_magical_proxy map the nokia binaries to the real repository.maemo.org | 21:11 |
| timelyx | and have it map all other repository.maemo.org to my ip :) | 21:12 |
| truent | heh | 21:12 |
| timelyx | i once had a js proxy that was fully capable of doing this | 21:12 |
| timelyx | (or just about anything else) | 21:12 |
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| truent | k hang on lemme check the install options | 21:12 |
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| derf | timelyx: So what am I supposed to be putting in my /etc/hosts file? | 21:19 |
| timelyx | infobot repository.maemo.org deb | 21:20 |
| infobot | repository.maemo.org deb is probably unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb | 21:20 |
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| timelyx | derf: unless you're trying to do this magical scratchbox setup, the deb will do the work for you | 21:21 |
| derf | No, on the device itself. | 21:21 |
| timelyx | yeah, just use the deb :) | 21:21 |
| truent | lol timelyx | 21:21 |
| truent | i just want it to work! | 21:22 |
| derf | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.2/free/binary/libxau0_0.1-2osso1_armel.deb Size mismatch | 21:22 |
| derf | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/contrib/pool/gregale/free/m/maemo-mapper/maemo-mapper_2.2-os2006-os2007_armel.deb 404 Not Found | 21:22 |
| fnordianslip | blimey. repostory eh? worked for me installing canola2 | 21:22 |
| derf | After dpkg -i'ing that .deb. | 21:22 |
| truent | theres an option for alternate sources.list though like jjo said | 21:22 |
| timelyx | derf: looking | 21:22 |
| truent | that'll prob work | 21:22 |
| timelyx | um | 21:22 |
| timelyx | /contrib/ ? | 21:22 |
| timelyx | what in the world are all these repositories? | 21:22 |
| * timelyx definitely doesn't have that one | 21:22 | |
| derf | Well, what should I be using? I haven't updated my sources.list in many months at this point. | 21:23 |
| timelyx | derf: the libxau one should work now | 21:23 |
| timelyx | derf: most people use extras | 21:24 |
| derf | I didn't see mm 2.2 in extras. | 21:24 |
| timelyx | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo2 | 21:25 |
| timelyx | says it's in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ | 21:25 |
| timelyx | gregale | free non-free | 21:25 |
| derf | Aha, I only had bora free non-free extras | 21:25 |
| timelyx | oh sorry | 21:25 |
| timelyx | bora | 21:25 |
| derf | Well, I already have that. | 21:25 |
| derf | deb http://repository.maemo.org bora free non-free extras | 21:25 |
| timelyx | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo3 | 21:26 |
| timelyx | says it's in | 21:26 |
| timelyx | http://repository.maemo.org/extras | 21:26 |
| timelyx | bora | free non-free | 21:26 |
| timelyx | note that extras is part of the url | 21:26 |
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| derf | Oh, that's a different line. | 21:27 |
| derf | .install files sure make a royal mess of your sources.list. | 21:28 |
| cosmo_ | is there a faq about the repository brokennes situation somewhere? | 21:30 |
| timelyx | no | 21:31 |
| cosmo_ | oh, there's something at itt.. | 21:31 |
| cosmo_ | even it was too slow a while ago | 21:31 |
| timelyx | derf: anyway, afaiu r.m.o/extras replaces r.m.o/contrib | 21:32 |
| derf | I had to switch back to the real r.m.o IP to download its Packages.gz's. | 21:33 |
| derf | But after that it worked. | 21:33 |
| cosmo_ | too bad it's holidays in finland.. i doubt no one will fix these things until thursday | 21:33 |
| derf | Thanks. | 21:33 |
| timelyx | derf: um, lemme go through the logs and figure out what i was missing | 21:34 |
| tontsa | most likely people have taken thu,fri of as well to get 9 days of holiday | 21:34 |
| timelyx | cosmo_: you mean thursday of the new year | 21:34 |
| derf | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/catalogue/certified/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 21:34 |
| derf | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/extras/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 21:34 |
| cosmo_ | timelyx: no, thursday & friday next week are not official holidays | 21:34 |
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| sbaturzio | Aloha! | 21:34 |
| timelyx | catalog/certified ? | 21:34 |
| derf | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 21:34 |
| timelyx | gah | 21:34 |
| derf | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found | 21:34 |
| timelyx | cosmo_: i'm working monday-thursday this week, at least, i plan to | 21:34 |
| cosmo_ | many have them as vacation days though | 21:35 |
| timelyx | derf: thanks... working on it | 21:35 |
| sbaturzio | still trouble in updating from chinook repositories? | 21:35 |
| skibur | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=114483#post114483 | 21:35 |
| skibur | Stay tune for pics | 21:35 |
| cosmo_ | should garage.maemo.org be broken also? | 21:36 |
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| sbaturzio | is there a way to get Packages.bz2 instead of Packages.gz when updating indexes from repositories? | 21:37 |
| timelyx | derf: gah, i didn't realize there was an extras in the main thing | 21:37 |
| timelyx | this is so confusing | 21:37 |
| pemdasi | i have a somewhat simple question... where is the rc file for the xterm that comes with os2008? | 21:37 |
| halley | For the xterm or for the shell itself? | 21:38 |
| pemdasi | xterm | 21:38 |
| pemdasi | rc/configuration file, it's not in the user's directory that I can tell | 21:38 |
| pemdasi | so i figured there must be a global configuration file somewhere | 21:38 |
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| fnordianslip | pemdasi: there isn't one. | 21:40 |
| fnordianslip | ah.. though you meant ash | 21:40 |
| jaharkes | timelyx, there is even an extras-devel, but i've only needed that once, to install xournal | 21:40 |
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| timelyx | derf: ok, i think i got all of those dists | 21:42 |
| timelyx | jaharkes: yeah, i have those three pools | 21:42 |
| timelyx | the issue is that i'm not doing a full recursive retrieval (i have a quota and have hit it repeatedly) | 21:42 |
| timelyx | so i do layer at a time, and the dists/ especially get missed | 21:43 |
| timelyx | i tend to have better coverage in pool/ | 21:43 |
| skibur | is there a quick way to resize 10 images in linux? | 21:43 |
| halley | imagemagick | 21:43 |
| timelyx | derf: ok, if you have any problems, please let me know | 21:44 |
| timelyx | i'm watching runaway jurry | 21:44 |
| kbsingh | humm | 21:44 |
| truent | rubiks. | 21:44 |
| kbsingh | i have an ssh server running on the n810, however, when i ssh in - i cant actually login as root ( or any other user ) | 21:44 |
| kbsingh | is rootme still the default root passwd ? | 21:44 |
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| pemdasi | /usr/share/gconf/schemas/osso-xterm.schemas | 21:45 |
| pemdasi | btw | 21:45 |
| pemdasi | found it from dpkg -L oss-xterm | 21:45 |
| skibur | yes | 21:45 |
| skibur | truent? | 21:46 |
| jaharkes | kbsingh, the default sshd config doesn't allow root logins | 21:46 |
| kbsingh | jaharkes: i thought dropbear did ? | 21:46 |
| kbsingh | jaharkes: however, i am open to suggestions :D | 21:46 |
| derf | timelyx: Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/f/flite/flite_1.3_armel.deb 404 Not Found | 21:47 |
| truent | skibur, percent or a certain width x height | 21:48 |
| jaharkes | i didn't try dropbear, just enabled r&d mode with flasher and used sudo gainroot | 21:48 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: seen the comments on #2620 which say pointing at stage.maemo.org rather than repository.maemo.org works. Might be better for your patch deb than your own mirror? (Or is your mirror complete now) | 21:48 |
| skibur | certain width x height | 21:48 |
| kbsingh | jaharkes: what can i do on the device, and only the device with network access to get root ? | 21:49 |
| truent | skibur, http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#resize | 21:50 |
| truent | skibur, use the 'convert' tool of imagemagick.. dunno if you got it, but it came with my ubuntu 7.10 | 21:51 |
| truent | thats what i used last time i had to resize a bunch | 21:51 |
| skibur | nice | 21:51 |
| skibur | command line | 21:51 |
| skibur | thanks | 21:51 |
| skibur | how do you post images on the forum? | 21:54 |
| skibur | do users normally put links? | 21:54 |
| truent | you host it somewhere else.. | 21:55 |
| truent | and provide the link for it when you post | 21:55 |
| jaharkes | kbsingh, use python to create a .deb package and have it's postinstall script copy set up a setuid root shell | 21:55 |
| truent | skibur, try photobucket or imageshack | 21:55 |
| truent | something like that | 21:55 |
| skibur | o ok | 21:56 |
| jaharkes | but maybe that is a little too much work | 21:56 |
| kbsingh | i am more of am rpm person myself, i suppose might as well look at a deb construction as well | 21:56 |
| kbsingh | why would I need python to do that ? | 21:56 |
| truent | skibur, why you post, theres a lil icon of a mountain with a sun in the background.. click on that, you tell it where the image is | 21:56 |
| truent | err when you post | 21:56 |
| jaharkes | there was a pretty nice packager written in python | 21:56 |
| truent | that packager rocked | 21:56 |
| truent | pygtkpack or something like that | 21:57 |
| truent | on the n800 right? | 21:57 |
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| kbsingh | has anyone done anything to get rpm on maemo ? | 21:57 |
| skibur | ok | 21:57 |
| truent | last guy that suggested that is still locked up in the basement kbsingh | 21:58 |
| kbsingh | why ? | 21:58 |
| truent | LOL JK | 21:58 |
| kbsingh | unlike dpkg, rpm actually works | 21:58 |
| truent | err | 21:58 |
| truent | lol jk | 21:58 |
| * kbsingh digs in | 21:58 | |
| truent | movies time | 21:58 |
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| ||cw | kbsingh: rpm does not work well on debian based systems | 21:59 |
| ||cw | kbsingh: what part of dpkg isn't working? | 21:59 |
| kbsingh | ||cw: point | 21:59 |
| jaharkes | works ok enough if you use 'alien' to convert the rpm to a deb | 21:59 |
| ||cw | alien usualy does work, though sometimes requires PATH mods or symlinking afterwards | 22:00 |
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| kbsingh | ||cw: that was just a troll comment from me. | 22:00 |
| kbsingh | i can dream in rpm .spec files, however, not that handy in .deb building. | 22:02 |
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| ||cw | ad-hoc deb creation is dead easy with checkinstall | 22:02 |
| ||cw | if you want to do it right though you need to do it by hand | 22:03 |
| pemdasi | Ugh, I am being dumb. | 22:03 |
| kbsingh | yeah, having done a few thousand rpms over the years, i've come to hate checkinstall and alien as well | 22:03 |
| kbsingh | i guess someone should port smartpm over to maemo :D | 22:03 |
| ||cw | port smartrpm to smartdeb :D | 22:04 |
| kbsingh | humm ? | 22:04 |
| kbsingh | actualy smart is all python, so maybe there isnt much in terms of porting required | 22:04 |
| ||cw | might help f I knew what smartrpm is | 22:05 |
| kbsingh | its not 'rpm' its 'smart package managmer' | 22:05 |
| kbsingh | manager even | 22:05 |
| kbsingh | http://labix.org/smart | 22:05 |
| ||cw | oh smartpm | 22:05 |
| * ||cw slaps forehead | 22:05 | |
| ||cw | hm, I seem to have broken my esx server | 22:06 |
| ||cw | good thing there's nothing on it yet | 22:06 |
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| kbsingh | anyone have a vm image of $something with scratbox setup etc ? | 22:06 |
| jaharkes | kbsingh, this may or may not be what you are looking for, i haven't tried it myself, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/capture-root/ | 22:07 |
| ||cw | there's one on maemo.org | 22:07 |
| kbsingh | ||cw: ty, will google | 22:07 |
| ||cw | searhc for vmware | 22:07 |
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| kbsingh | jaharkes: looking | 22:12 |
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| GNUton | hi | 22:18 |
| thoughtf1x | uh-oh | 22:19 |
| thoughtf1x | My next gadget expense may have to be a new espresso machine | 22:19 |
| thoughtf1x | The heating block AND the pump are misbehaving now | 22:20 |
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| skibur | I used convert to scale my images | 22:20 |
| skibur | lol | 22:20 |
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| pupnik | the browser is top class | 22:23 |
| kbsingh | ~ $ uname -a | 22:23 |
| kbsingh | Linux Nokia-N810-42-19 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Fri Nov 16 16:24:58 EET 2007 armv6l unknown | 22:23 |
| fnordianslip | odd. "ssh-add -D" doesn't seem to remove my key from the agent. can anyone else confirm this. | 22:23 |
| kbsingh | does it need that hostname ? | 22:23 |
| fnordianslip | with their own agent :-) | 22:23 |
| pupnik | the gamez are dead | 22:23 |
| kbsingh | for some reason, its not using the hostname set via dhcp :/ | 22:23 |
| ||cw | kbsingh: changing host names confuses X11 so no, it doesn't since it doens't get DHCP until after X11 is started | 22:29 |
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| mlpug | no matter if you win or lose the N770 and N800 check allways says "checkmate! - computer wins". depressing | 22:42 |
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| pupnik | hi | 22:44 |
| pupnik | i have nothing useful to say | 22:45 |
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| kbsingh | how do I get a list of pkgs installed, in the install order using dpkg / apt ? | 22:46 |
| kbsingh | i am looking for something like, rpm -qa --last | 22:47 |
| kbsingh | only, not rpm | 22:47 |
| BoxOfSnoo | dpkg --get-selections | grep install | 22:47 |
| kbsingh | BoxOfSnoo: that does not give me install order | 22:48 |
| kbsingh | or date/time of install | 22:48 |
| BoxOfSnoo | Yeah install order, I don't know | 22:48 |
| BoxOfSnoo | why? | 22:48 |
| skibur | ok done | 22:48 |
| skibur | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13389&page=2 | 22:48 |
| skibur | pictures of the Case for N800 + iGo keyboard | 22:49 |
| skibur | enjoy | 22:49 |
| kbsingh | BoxOfSnoo: why what ? | 22:49 |
| BoxOfSnoo | Why do you want the install order? | 22:49 |
| kbsingh | so i can see it ? | 22:50 |
| fnordianslip | lol | 22:50 |
| skibur | thoughtf1x | 22:50 |
| kbsingh | essentially, i want install order and dep tree for the last 4 apps i installed. | 22:50 |
| BoxOfSnoo | deb takes care of relationships. It's nice not to care about that kinda thing | 22:50 |
| Jaffa | kbsingh: ls -t /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | 22:51 |
| Jaffa | kbsingh: ls -t /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | head -n 4 | 22:51 |
| kbsingh | Jaffa: no thats not what i want | 22:51 |
| kbsingh | i dont want stuff that is no longer installed on the box | 22:52 |
| kbsingh | BoxOfSnoo: that has to be some of the most idiotic reasoning I've heard for package management inability, in a long time | 22:52 |
| kbsingh | and i am sure there must be some way of doing this, i just dont know dpkg / apt well enough. | 22:53 |
| BoxOfSnoo | idiotic, maybe, but I've loved it for many years | 22:53 |
| kbsingh | ok, i shall ask elsewhere | 22:53 |
| kbsingh | BoxOfSnoo: you will love fatbinary stuff | 22:53 |
| kbsingh | </assumption> | 22:53 |
| BoxOfSnoo | http://www.fifi.org/cgi-bin/man2html/usr/share/man/man8/dpkg.8.gz | 22:54 |
| BoxOfSnoo | I've done slackware tgz, SuSE and Red Hat rpm, caldera's original packages and source tarballs. deb rules them all | 22:56 |
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| sp3000 | heh. summary: 0 length [...] packages. comment 0: files are 199 bytes. :) | 22:58 |
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| sp3000 | ohhh oh oh oh fontgasm | 23:05 |
| * sp3000 <3 vera | 23:05 | |
| pupnik | ceiling cat watches #maemo | 23:05 |
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| sp3000 | ceiling cat is watching me switch xterm to vera mono | 23:06 |
| sp3000 | as well he should be, considering it's a "now you don't see text, now you do" experience | 23:06 |
| * sp3000 goes tell browser about vera | 23:07 | |
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| timelyx | Jaffa: not sure how incomplete my mirror is | 23:45 |
| timelyx | pointing at stage is asking to knock off the primary point... | 23:45 |
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| timelyx | Jaffa: can you fix the capture-root entry on maemo.org/downloads ? :) | 23:46 |
| * timelyx can't figure out how to do it | 23:46 | |
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| kpel | hi all | 23:54 |
| kpel | do you know if there is going to be a repository with libs, maemo-mapper, etc for OS2008? | 23:56 |
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| shackan | there is one, it simply doesn't work today :) | 23:57 |
| kpel | shackan: you mean, a proper repository with all the apps available for OS2007? | 23:58 |
| kpel | do i have to add it manually? | 23:58 |
| kpel | (so that i'm ready when the repository is up again) | 23:58 |
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