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| ccooke | ahh. wasn't sure Â:-) | 00:00 |
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| ccooke | (as it happens, it's height more than anything - I'm 6'8. about 2.04âm) | 00:02 |
| cymacs | does anybody know how to teach apt to ignore the broken Packages.gz and use .bz2 or uncompressed instead? | 00:02 |
| ds3 | dragorn: what about OS2006? now that I have a N800 headed my way, I am thinking of turning the 770 into a portable survey device | 00:02 |
| dragorn | ds3: os2006? I dunno. Depends if, by that point, i care to install yet another devkit. This is why I generally have a "I don't build binaries" policy | 00:03 |
| ds3 | dragorn: are there at least tarballs that are known to work with the 770 using OS2006? | 00:03 |
| ds3 | ah | 00:03 |
| dragorn | There has never been a supported kismet build for the nokias, because I never got the quirks ironed out to a level where I'd say random people should be installing it, which is what a package implies | 00:03 |
| ds3 | dragorn: how involved is compiling the source? i.e. do I really need the dev kit or would any ARMv5 Linux cross compile setup work? | 00:04 |
| dragorn | in theory if you matched the libc and pcap and curses stuff you could do it w/out the devkit | 00:04 |
| dragorn | os2007 runs on the 770 | 00:04 |
| ds3 | oh is that all.. I can fix that with -static ;) | 00:05 |
| dragorn | there are some significant issues still I have to figure out | 00:05 |
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| dragorn | like once you run it, if you don't reboot, you get about an hour and a half of battery life | 00:05 |
| dragorn | also no integration with the GPS nav system, but that's ok, since unless you put it in offline mode things get unhappy anyhow | 00:05 |
| ds3 | haha, that sounds like my experience with the USB host functionality | 00:05 |
| dragorn | yup | 00:05 |
| dragorn | i've had similar fun with that | 00:05 |
| dragorn | tho the 770 host functionality was pretty straightforward | 00:06 |
| dragorn | the 800 kernel panics on my device, the 810 actually works really well, but randomly won't enumerate some things and ignores the software mode toggles | 00:06 |
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| ds3 | so if I put in 2007HE, is the battery drain problem likely to be resolved when you get the OS2008 done? | 00:06 |
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| dragorn | (random in what it won't enumerate, not random about if it enumerates a specific device) | 00:06 |
| killfill | hey.. whats that name of a mpd server? | 00:06 |
| killfill | cannot find one on freebsd.. :S | 00:07 |
| dragorn | ds3: yeah, I'm not planning to make a package until the interface stuff is reliable and non-destructive to your normal environment | 00:07 |
| ds3 | dragorn: I think that's a problem with the code itself; the driver in the OMAP open source repository does the same thing | 00:07 |
| dragorn | ds3: and probably not until i figure out how to use navkit stuff, too | 00:07 |
| dragorn | ds3: Which are you talking about? The wifi driver is closed, for all the good bits - the oss component is just a wrapper to translate SKBs into hidden stuff | 00:08 |
| ds3 | dragorn: okay, so it'll be a while... is there any alternative 802.11b survey software around? | 00:08 |
| ds3 | dragorn: I was refering to the USB host functionality problem not the WiFi | 00:08 |
| dragorn | ds3: The other option is you use a USB card, build a kernel driver, and use kismet with that, though it won't solve the navkit integration being missing | 00:08 |
| ds3 | I have read up on the umac.ko situation :( | 00:08 |
| dragorn | ds3: and I'm considering making some usb driver packages for at least os2008, and depending how much it misbehaves, maybe os2007 | 00:09 |
| ds3 | dragorn: do you know off hand which USB dongles will support kismet functionality? | 00:10 |
| dragorn | ds3: the problems faced by kismet will be the same w/ any sniffer sw you try to run on the builtin wifi | 00:10 |
| dragorn | ds3: anything w/ a native linux driver, barring endian issues in the drivers, though they're getting better | 00:10 |
| dragorn | I've used a rt73 with the 770 a long time ago | 00:10 |
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| ds3 | which rt73 driver? the nextgen one or the original? | 00:10 |
| ds3 | seem to recall some prism3 USBs having problems, etc... which is the reason I am asking | 00:11 |
| dragorn | whatever one was around a year+ ago | 00:11 |
| dragorn | prism usb is probably a bad bet | 00:11 |
| ds3 | both :/ but it is easy enough to check..got a rt73 dongle at work | 00:12 |
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| ds3 | thanks for the update; the google results were all over the place | 00:13 |
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| dragorn | i spent a while trying to get people to send patches | 00:16 |
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| dragorn | but since getting the 810, i'm re-inspired | 00:16 |
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| ds3 | if you can solve the battery drain problem... that seems to be the worse | 00:16 |
| dragorn | yeah | 00:16 |
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| dragorn | well theres 3. That, offline mode, and gps | 00:17 |
| skibur | hello hackers | 00:17 |
| ds3 | at that point even a source tar ball would be fine, IMO | 00:17 |
| ds3 | since I don't have a GPS... ;) | 00:17 |
| dragorn | well, i'll at least make a script and a pkg assist directory, which is what i'm doing for the wispy code | 00:17 |
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| dragorn | so people can make packages for builds I don't, if there's enough demand | 00:17 |
| ds3 | sources is perfectly fine esp since it is curses based | 00:18 |
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| p| | re | 00:18 |
| ds3 | and I can make static binaries with a generic ARMv5/v6 dev enviroment, that should be pretty easy to handle | 00:18 |
| dragorn | ds3: alright, well keep an eye on the svn changelog, i've got enough pending to do a release once I solve that stuff anyhow. | 00:19 |
| ds3 | where is the repository? | 00:19 |
| dragorn | link is off the download page on the kismet site | 00:19 |
| ds3 | okay | 00:19 |
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| ds3 | heh... flasher works so much bettter when the N800 is actually plugged into the system running it ;) | 00:29 |
| imhotep | no kidding | 00:29 |
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| dskippy | What does everyone use for GUI builders on the maemo? Glade? Gazpacho? I'm looking to jump into one and I want to know if any are easier to use on maemo. | 00:36 |
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| richdy | has anyone been able to install the Canola 2 beta? I get filesize mismatch errors when using the install files from their website? | 00:48 |
| Jiten | dskippy: I ended up using the glade that comes with debian and replacing the window and other widgets hildon has it's own versions for in the main code. | 00:49 |
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| jga | anybody get fceu working on os2008? | 00:53 |
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| dskippy | Jiten: Thanks. Sounds like a decent idea. | 01:00 |
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| Lateralus | Have any of you experienced any issue with g_thread_pool* not calling a GFunc when you call g_thread_pool_push? Do you have to call something else that I'm just not seeing in the glib docs? | 01:02 |
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| Lateralus | get_num_threads is returning the same number as get_max_threads, before and after I call pool_push. unprocessed() and num_unused_threads() are both 0 | 01:03 |
| Lateralus | I'm using the chinook SDK. | 01:05 |
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| kbsingh_ | hi | 01:28 |
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| kbsingh_ | just got a n810 today, very cool device. | 01:29 |
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| DeLeOn | kbsingh_ i had one in my hands yesterday :( | 01:30 |
| DeLeOn | but still waiting to order mine | 01:30 |
| skibur | n800 can handle virtuaal mem? | 01:30 |
| kbsingh_ | just wondering is there was a way to turn that keyboard word completion bar at the bottom of the screen OFF | 01:30 |
| dragorn | kbsingh_: if you figure it out, let me know :P | 01:30 |
| halley | kbsingh_, yes, there's a way. | 01:30 |
| dragorn | kbsingh_: I'd also like to turn off the brightness sensor | 01:30 |
| skibur | yes | 01:30 |
| dragorn | halley: on the 810? | 01:30 |
| kbsingh_ | deleon, absurdly the only place that has them is misco.co.uk around here | 01:31 |
| kbsingh_ | dragorn, ok :) | 01:31 |
| skibur | yes on the n810 | 01:31 |
| kbsingh_ | halley do tell >... | 01:31 |
| skibur | no on the N800 virtual mem | 01:31 |
| halley | kbsingh_, the maemo-japanese-support package (which is scim+anthy, see maemocjk.garage.maemo.org) has a side-effect of killing that completions bar. | 01:32 |
| halley | It's not JUST what you asked for, but it's possible. | 01:32 |
| skibur | anybody with a n800? | 01:32 |
| halley | Though you might want to keep the completion bar... it learns your most common words instead of its useless suggestions. | 01:32 |
| kbsingh_ | learning japaneese to turn that bar off :) man how drastic is that | 01:32 |
| halley | You don't have to learn Japanese :P | 01:33 |
| kbsingh_ | halley, i need mostly ssh stuff, and i really only need to turn that bar off during ssh | 01:33 |
| halley | That bar is annoying though, when it shows you your passwords. :) | 01:33 |
| kbsingh_ | ooohh.. does it ? | 01:34 |
| halley | Sometimes. | 01:34 |
| kbsingh_ | someone file a cve | 01:34 |
| halley | b, r, i, [bright, britain, britneystits34, brilliant] | 01:34 |
| kbsingh_ | hahaha | 01:34 |
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| kbsingh_ | actually, i think they are more 36 than 34 | 01:35 |
| halley | I typed 34 at random then thought the same thing. | 01:35 |
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| kbsingh_ | bollocks | 01:36 |
| kbsingh_ | 8pt is way too small | 01:37 |
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| jacques | whoah | 01:40 |
| jacques | suddenly I can download OS2008 at 500kB/s | 01:40 |
| ccooke | oh? | 01:41 |
| jacques | they must have fixed tablets-dev.nokia.com | 01:42 |
| halley | If such a strange occurrence happens again, DON'T TELL ANYONE. | 01:42 |
| halley | ;) | 01:42 |
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| doublec | yeah, I've getting 200Kb/s which is 20x faster than I was before too | 01:42 |
| kbsingh_ | fantastic to install the cjk support you need to click the icon that has your lang in it | 01:42 |
| ccooke | the repository is still buggered, though :-/ | 01:42 |
| kbsingh_ | however, i dont know which one is .jp :) | 01:43 |
| halley | 日 | 01:43 |
| jacques | it's actually at 600kB/s now(!) | 01:43 |
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| kbsingh_ | lets try one | 01:43 |
| jacques | hmm, that sucks about repo | 01:43 |
| jacques | repo is kinda important | 01:43 |
| ccooke | the maemo repositories have been broken for at least 24 hours | 01:44 |
| kbsingh_ | btw, i have much b/w if people want to download os2998, i can host it | 01:44 |
| kbsingh_ | on a couple of 300mbps type machines | 01:44 |
| jacques | 4:17 averaging 535.74kB/s | 01:44 |
| ds3 | nice OS 2998... does that support OGG yet? ;) | 01:45 |
| ccooke | kbsingh_: there are alternate links around. On the other hand (as was pointed out to me :-) the agreement when you downlaod os2008 explicitly prevents you from redistributing it :-) | 01:45 |
| ccooke | ds3: nah, slated for 3000 ;-) | 01:45 |
| hugolp | Anyone here got the load-applet (shows memory and cpu states in the applet bar) working in the new OS2008? | 01:45 |
| yabbas | yup | 01:46 |
| hugolp | I allways get the messages the file is corrupted. I though it was because the repos where not working properly | 01:46 |
| hugolp | but now the repos seem to work fine but the load-applet doesnt work yet | 01:46 |
| hugolp | yabbas: you did? | 01:46 |
| yabbas | load applet works here | 01:46 |
| hugolp | yabbas: you are with the new OS2008 that was made public yesterday? | 01:47 |
| kbsingh_ | ok i have cjk for .jp installed. reboot time | 01:47 |
| yabbas | made public yesterday!??! | 01:47 |
| ccooke | hugolp: yesterday? | 01:47 |
| yabbas | 50-2 | 01:47 |
| hugolp | ccooke: I got it yesterday | 01:48 |
| kbsingh_ | btw, is there an irssi port for maemo ? | 01:48 |
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| ccooke | hugolp: it's a few days older than that | 01:48 |
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| ccooke | not much, but... | 01:48 |
| kbsingh_ | would save me ssh out elsewhere first | 01:48 |
| hugolp | ccooke: ok, not yesterda, but last week | 01:48 |
| yabbas | so repos are fixednow? | 01:48 |
| * yabbas checks | 01:48 | |
| hugolp | is it posible that the corrupted load-applet.deb is still on my N800 and so it doesnt update and gets the proper one? | 01:49 |
| * kbsingh_ brb | 01:49 | |
| yabbas | hmmm, unable to install canola2 - installation file corrupted? | 01:50 |
| ccooke | yabbas: the repos are broken | 01:51 |
| * ccooke is trying an alternative repo for canola | 01:52 | |
| ccooke | I'll let you know if it works. | 01:52 |
| kbsingh_ | humm | 01:52 |
| kbsingh_ | that worked dude, thanks | 01:53 |
| kbsingh_ | halley, however now we have another situation | 01:53 |
| kbsingh_ | i cant get Fn lock or caps lock anymore :) | 01:54 |
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| ccooke | this *seems* to work for Canola: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=113212&posted=1#post113212 | 01:56 |
| Cptnodegard | seeing i havent found anything conclusive on google, is there any way of viewing excel files on a N800? OO etc | 01:57 |
| hugolp | btw, why is everybody wanting to install canola? | 01:57 |
| hugolp | what is so good about it? | 01:57 |
| kbsingh_ | yeah | 01:57 |
| kbsingh_ | use jpg2ascii instead | 01:57 |
| kbsingh_ | there is a perfectly usable term on here | 01:58 |
| * kbsingh_ gets his coat | 01:58 | |
| yabbas | I prefer blinkenlights | 01:59 |
| Cptnodegard | excel, anyone? ^^ | 02:00 |
| kbsingh_ | Cpt: perhaps gnumeric ? | 02:00 |
| richdy | has anyone successfully installed Canola 2 beta ? | 02:01 |
| yabbas | richdy, seealternative repo link above | 02:01 |
| kbsingh_ | richdy: what problem did you have | 02:01 |
| richdy | yabbas, checking... | 02:02 |
| Cptnodegard | thx :) ordered a N800 today seeing it was 35% off in a winter sale of a online store over here, and looking into what the thing can do ^^ | 02:02 |
| yabbas | N800's are going for silly prices these days | 02:02 |
| milhouse | richdy: nope, can't install jack shit | 02:02 |
| hugolp | yabbas: yes | 02:02 |
| hugolp | its great | 02:02 |
| yabbas | Play.com selling them for £130 | 02:02 |
| kbsingh_ | cpt, not sure if gnumeric is ported, but if not i am sure you will have a go | 02:02 |
| yabbas | I bought mine a few months ago for £230 | 02:03 |
| richdy | getting package checksum (maybe?) errors | 02:03 |
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| Cptnodegard | seems like it works | 02:03 |
| richdy | bad filelengths | 02:03 |
| kbsingh_ | yabbas, you will find that play.com are not actually shipping at that price | 02:03 |
| Cptnodegard | got mine for 360 USD, which isnt bad seeing that both rpices and saleries is twice that of the US here in norway... so basically it would be like 180, US wise. i saw the price on play, sick | 02:04 |
| Cptnodegard | too bad they dont ship here | 02:04 |
| richdy | yabbas, I'm sorry, which alternative repository link? | 02:04 |
| yabbas | richdy, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13584 | 02:04 |
| richdy | thank you | 02:04 |
| yabbas | kbsingh_, they're not? Two days ago they were. | 02:04 |
| kbsingh_ | i dont think so, | 02:05 |
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| kbsingh_ | they had an eta for mid Jan for that price | 02:05 |
| kbsingh_ | they never even started shipping the n810 | 02:05 |
| kbsingh_ | i got mine at misco finally | 02:05 |
| yabbas | I'm still waiting on the dev codes to come through ... it'll happen. Must be patient. | 02:06 |
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| Cptnodegard | speaking of play.com, got a 5.6" lcd meant for the old PS2 from there for 18 quids, msrp is 99. They shipped it here even if its electronics because its classified as game. Gonne hook it up to psp, mp3 player or dvd - seeing monitor prices i found it to be a nice deal | 02:06 |
| TWPEAR | I have just updated my neighbours N800 to OS2008 - getting repository errors from Nokia - md5sums do not match (for certified) - is anyone aware of this/know how to work around? | 02:07 |
| kbsingh_ | humm they seem to have the n810 now | 02:07 |
| richdy | TWPEAR, see channel subject :) | 02:08 |
| TWPEAR | topic does not touch the nokia.com repository | 02:08 |
| TWPEAR | only mamoe | 02:08 |
| TWPEAR | sp | 02:08 |
| richdy | ahh sorry | 02:08 |
| Cptnodegard | installing os2008 on a n800, does it support it or is it sketchy? | 02:08 |
| hugolp | Cptnodegard: its supported | 02:08 |
| Cptnodegard | cant wait to get this thing ^^ | 02:09 |
| TWPEAR | catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/chinook/user ...... MD5Sum mismatch | 02:09 |
| * richdy crosses his fingers waiting on the Canola 2 download | 02:09 | |
| richdy | OMG | 02:09 |
| Cptnodegard | leave the heavy as hell alptop at home | 02:09 |
| richdy | OMGOMGOMG | 02:09 |
| richdy | it's installing | 02:09 |
| TWPEAR | richy - canola 2 has been made available over on internettablettalk | 02:09 |
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| richdy | yes TWPEAR, that's where I'm getting the repository instructions from | 02:10 |
| yabbas | must admit, I installed canola 2 8 minutes ago - and ... beta or not ... it's not that pretty :) | 02:10 |
| richdy | YAY | 02:10 |
| richdy | worst than 1? | 02:10 |
| TWPEAR | I was dissapointed that I couldn't use Upnp with it (may jsut not have figured it out yet) | 02:10 |
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| TWPEAR | is anyone else getting these errors from the nokia repository - I am getting it on one N800, but not on the other !!! | 02:11 |
| yabbas | the settings menus are a lot nicer, but the main menu buttons are poo | 02:11 |
| richdy | I liked Canola, because it was the only media player that could scan my media within a reasonable amount of time. Even the default media player doesn't cache the song list for each screen, so it ... takes ... for ... ever with 1000+ songs | 02:11 |
| chenca | yabbas: what you didn't like in this version of Canola? | 02:11 |
| yabbas | chenca, still playing with it tbh. I didn't like the "homescreen" which was expected because they told us we wouldn't like it (yet) :) | 02:12 |
| hugolp | richdy: theres a media player at maemo.org that looks nice and does that as well | 02:12 |
| hugolp | and is getting upnp redady | 02:12 |
| hugolp | for next version | 02:12 |
| hugolp | cant remember the name | 02:12 |
| richdy | hugolp, which one is that? | 02:13 |
| chenca | yabbas: What you expect in home screen? | 02:13 |
| hugolp | richdy: let me check | 02:13 |
| richdy | Canola 2 is a little pokey. I hope that's debug hooks | 02:13 |
| yabbas | chenca, fluid gorgeous icons, smooth scrollies, as much polish as there is in the settings menus | 02:14 |
| hugolp | richdy: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mediabox/ | 02:14 |
| Cptnodegard | any changelog for noobs between OS2007 and OS2008? found a list of file updates that didnt really tell my much | 02:14 |
| yabbas | interface for the settings menu needs adjusting too | 02:14 |
| milhouse | changelog? if only | 02:14 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 02:15 |
| milhouse | a changelog would take organisation | 02:15 |
| kbsingh_ | Cptnodegard: i dont see that lcd thing on play.com but i do see a 4gb shdc for £15 | 02:15 |
| kbsingh_ | milhouse: or discipline | 02:15 |
| milhouse | that too - good point | 02:15 |
| Cptnodegard | kbsingh_: | 02:16 |
| Cptnodegard | http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation2/4-/115607/Joytech-5-6-TFT-Monitor-With-SRS-RGB/Product.html | 02:16 |
| Cptnodegard | http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation2/4-/649482/Joytech-Black-8-0-Inch-Digital-Monitor-+-Free-Carry-Case/Product.html | 02:16 |
| kbsingh_ | now | 02:16 |
| yabbas | chenca, work for intD? :) | 02:16 |
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| chenca | yabbas: Hey man, the icons in the homescreen are amazing, did you see the Graphite Theme ? | 02:16 |
| kbsingh_ | htf do i copy that from term to the browser..... /me might need the stylus | 02:16 |
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| chenca | yabbas: I'm a project leader of the Canola Dev Team... but I'm on vacation now :-) | 02:17 |
| yabbas | chenca, lol. is there a #canola-talk channel? Prolly best to chat there and give infos? | 02:17 |
| chenca | #canola | 02:18 |
| richdy | aw man! it doesn't download album covers! | 02:18 |
| richdy | crap | 02:18 |
| shackan | somebody resets the repositories pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! | 02:18 |
| kbsingh_ | Cptnodegard: thanks | 02:18 |
| chenca | richdy: Album cover download has several legal implications | 02:18 |
| yabbas | there now | 02:18 |
| richdy | legal schmegal :) | 02:19 |
| chenca | richdy: you can use python script to download the covers | 02:19 |
| richdy | I guess i'll have to | 02:19 |
| Cptnodegard | kbsingh_: those LCDs is a nice catch, for someone with a car a 8" lcd for 50 quid ios a steal. the 5.6" is a bit bulkky due to speakers etc, but still useful | 02:20 |
| chenca | richdy: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/canola-tuning/ | 02:20 |
| richdy | thanks | 02:20 |
| milhouse | maemo.org probably need to get legal approval to bounce the servers... | 02:20 |
| milhouse | blaming the lawyers is the usual excuse for incompetence. | 02:20 |
| shackan | lawyers? | 02:21 |
| kbsingh_ | Cptnodegard: yeah | 02:21 |
| Cptnodegard | oh | 02:21 |
| Cptnodegard | what does BT keyboards normally cost? | 02:22 |
| Cptnodegard | found one for i think && USD, free worldwide shipping | 02:22 |
| Cptnodegard | 66* | 02:22 |
| kbsingh_ | not sure about max size supported by n800 or n810 but there seems to be a good deal on the 16gb shdc | 02:22 |
| richdy | look for a iGo stowaway. you can find them CHEAP | 02:22 |
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| kbsingh_ | Cptnodegard: why do you want a n800? | 02:22 |
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| Cptnodegard | as in why did i buy a inet tablet at all, or as in why not a 810? | 02:23 |
| fnordianslip | is that repo for canola on itT kosher? that's a lot of stuff to install from an unknown location. perfect for trojans... | 02:24 |
| kbsingh_ | yea , imean if you want a kb to carry around, get a 810 | 02:24 |
| ccooke | fnordianslip: it's the same group of ackages (yes, lots) that the maemo repos try to install | 02:24 |
| ccooke | other than that... | 02:24 |
| fnordianslip | so 'we' know the host then? | 02:25 |
| Cptnodegard | well, the N810 over here is 3600 NOK, = 325 GBP. I found the N800 on sale for 2090 NOK, 188 GBP. Cant really afford the dfference :) | 02:25 |
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| kbsingh_ | ah, makes sense | 02:26 |
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| lardman | evening | 02:26 |
| kbsingh_ | i am new to this, but the repo is just an apt repo right ? | 02:27 |
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| kbsingh_ | so someone just needs to rerun the metadata create scripts really | 02:27 |
| Cptnodegard | IM attending the first year of bachelor in economics and administration, this year i get a lift from a classmate - but hes gone next year, which means bus. And from experience, carrying the laptop bag with books etc in it kills my shoulder after a single walk home from the bus, so i needed something lighter for when i dont 100% need the lappy. was considering the eee pc, and the cowon q5, but then i saw the n800 that cheap and was sold :D | 02:28 |
| Cptnodegard | [/random crap ^^] | 02:28 |
| kbsingh_ | Cptnodegard: look at the asus eee pc as well | 02:28 |
| Cptnodegard | "was considering the eee pc" ;) | 02:29 |
| lardman | anyone got news on the codes? Week's almost up | 02:29 |
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| Cptnodegard | 299 USD price tag in the us more or less means 599 usd when it launches over here... everythings always 2x the price | 02:29 |
| shackan | 2x ? where's that? | 02:29 |
| lardman | uk for example | 02:30 |
| lardman | tho here it;s £329 | 02:30 |
| Cptnodegard | oh, almost forgot. the mplayer, can it play divx that you (dont) download from torrents (because its illegal)? | 02:30 |
| Cptnodegard | norway | 02:30 |
| kbsingh_ | lardman, diff model. | 02:30 |
| Cptnodegard | mean the standard 350MB per 43 min things | 02:30 |
| kbsingh_ | its cheaper in the uk... | 02:30 |
| lardman | ah, my apologies | 02:30 |
| Cptnodegard | n800 is 130 on play.com | 02:31 |
| shackan | wow | 02:31 |
| lardman | yes, quite a bargain | 02:31 |
| ds3 | $130!? | 02:31 |
| kbsingh_ | they decided it was not worth sellin the 256mb/2gb model in the uk | 02:31 |
| lardman | £ | 02:31 |
| kbsingh_ | ds3 £ | 02:31 |
| Cptnodegard | was googling around for mplayer info, but didnt see anything specific about the standard divx/xvid used for TV show rips | 02:31 |
| ds3 | oh :/ | 02:31 |
| shackan | anyway, I scale down videos and they play just fine, even under 350Mb/episode | 02:31 |
| Cptnodegard | so no conversion needed for such? | 02:32 |
| shackan | Cptnodegard: because there's no "standard" | 02:32 |
| Cptnodegard | heh true | 02:32 |
| lardman | Cptnodegard: you probably ought to convert | 02:32 |
| Cptnodegard | :/ | 02:32 |
| Cptnodegard | but do i HAVE to? ^^ | 02:32 |
| shackan | Cptnodegard: for sure it's needed | 02:32 |
| lardman | Cptnodegard: ITT might give you a better idea | 02:32 |
| shackan | Cptnodegard: I thing I got 1fps on fullsize divx | 02:33 |
| Cptnodegard | ITT? | 02:33 |
| shackan | *think | 02:33 |
| Cptnodegard | ouch | 02:33 |
| Cptnodegard | thats too bad | 02:33 |
| shackan | around 20 if you resize to fit the device screen | 02:33 |
| Cptnodegard | finding a video player that actually plays what you throw at it isnt easy | 02:33 |
| lardman | ~itt | 02:34 |
| lardman | silly bots | 02:34 |
| lardman | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ | 02:34 |
| Cptnodegard | resizing would mean bigger picture though... the files i (dont) have are about 630x360 or something like that | 02:34 |
| Cptnodegard | ah thx | 02:34 |
| lardman | np | 02:35 |
| shackan | since r.m.o is unbelievably dead, anybody around with python2.5 debs or do I have to build them by myself? :( | 02:36 |
| * sp3000 slaps busybox sort | 02:36 | |
| lardman | is extras down? | 02:36 |
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| sp3000 | thanks for silently ignoring -k6 | 02:36 |
| sp3000 | lardman: topic | 02:37 |
| lardman | sp3000: aaahh :) | 02:37 |
| yabbas|compilin | I've had great stuff played back on DivX :) | 02:37 |
| sp3000 | it successfully gives error pages for many debs | 02:37 |
| sp3000 | they don't install well | 02:37 |
| yabbas|compilin | Stutters when there's LOADS of action - but on the whole the latest mplayer is _luurverly_ | 02:38 |
| Cptnodegard | got two more q's ^^: 1: doe sthe N800 charge through USB? for external batteries and such. 2: saw a vid aof a dude using a USB keyboard on a Nokia 770 by using mini usb to usb adapter, is that possible with the n800 or does it have to be BT? | 02:39 |
| lardman | sp3000: this may have been covered before, but are the debs at fault or the repo? I can access the repo with a browser | 02:39 |
| lardman | Cptnodegard: 1. No; 2. either is possible | 02:40 |
| kbsingh_ | so what email client is everyone using on the platform? | 02:40 |
| Cptnodegard | ah thats nice, saves me a lot of money compared to a BT kb | 02:41 |
| yabbas|compilin | kbsingh_, gmail ;) | 02:41 |
| lardman | Cptnodegard: check about how much current a kb needs though | 02:41 |
| kbsingh_ | yabbas|compilin: not webmail :) | 02:41 |
| lardman | kbsingh_: claws I think | 02:41 |
| Cptnodegard | ah, thats a very good point. the guy in the video used a powered USB hub | 02:42 |
| kbsingh_ | lardman: would b cool, where do i find that | 02:42 |
| shackan | lardman: I can browse r.m.o too, but try to click a .deb and look at the fireworks | 02:42 |
| lardman | that was needed in the old days, I think now one can obtain some power from the port | 02:42 |
| kbsingh_ | also i need to get root on ths thing | 02:42 |
| Cptnodegard | saw a 770 skin that made the thing look and sound like a star trek padd... god hope that works on the n800 xD | 02:42 |
| shackan | it doesn't | 02:43 |
| shackan | (I presume) | 02:43 |
| Cptnodegard | :/ | 02:43 |
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| lardman | shackan: works for me.... | 02:43 |
| shackan | lardman: what? | 02:43 |
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| sp3000 | lardman: e.g. http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pybluez/ -- it lists similar sizes for all, but only some yield debs, some result in an error page | 02:43 |
| lardman | shackan: texinfo was the one I happened to try | 02:43 |
| kbsingh_ | rsync the debs off, apt metadata create there and you have a repo | 02:43 |
| kbsingh_ | if the debs are gone,that could be a problem | 02:44 |
| lardman | sp3000: that file doesn't exist | 02:45 |
| shackan | would a rebuild be *that* hard anyway ? | 02:45 |
| lardman | apt-get update | 02:45 |
| sp3000 | lardman: what file? | 02:45 |
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| shackan | lardman: update doesn't work (not for me) | 02:45 |
| lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pybluez/ | 02:45 |
| sp3000 | looks like a directory to me | 02:45 |
| lardman | ignore me, extras | 02:46 |
| sp3000 | hmh | 02:46 |
| sp3000 | should I look for a pattern? | 02:46 |
| lardman | I can, however, download it | 02:46 |
| lardman | python2.5-bluez_0.9.1-1osso2_armel.deb that is | 02:47 |
| shackan | does anyone have a copy of http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/python2.5/python2.5_2.5.1-1osso3_armel.deb ? | 02:48 |
| ds3 | isn't a new version of the garnet vm due about now? | 02:48 |
| aspiers | ds3: that was due about 5 years ago ;-) | 02:48 |
| shackan | pleasepleaseplease | 02:49 |
| aspiers | ds3: oh, you meant the VM ;-) | 02:49 |
| lardman | shackan: can you wget it? | 02:49 |
| shackan | lardman: nope :( | 02:49 |
| lardman | what, no wget, or not from the repo? | 02:49 |
| shackan | neither | 02:50 |
| lardman | hmm | 02:50 |
| sp3000 | lardman: download what content? | 02:50 |
| shackan | try to follow the link | 02:50 |
| lardman | I just downloaded it with Firefox on WinXP | 02:50 |
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| shackan | ... really? | 02:50 |
| lardman | yeah | 02:50 |
| lardman | files in it, etc | 02:51 |
| shackan | lardman: I only get The service is temporarily unavailable. We are very sorry for the inconvinience it may cause. | 02:51 |
| Cptnodegard | did any of you see the cowon q5 pmp? 5" PMP running windows, has wifi, 60GB, 3g, edge, hsdpa, 800x480 touchscreen <3 | 02:51 |
| sp3000 | heh | 02:51 |
| sp3000 | randomness ftw | 02:51 |
| lardman | shackan: try with the browser, otherwise I'll give you an url | 02:51 |
| shackan | lardman: I only get "The service is temporarily unavailable. We are very sorry for the inconvinience it may cause." :( | 02:52 |
| lardman | strange, hang on a tick | 02:52 |
| sp3000 | ooi, where are you (plural)? | 02:52 |
| shackan | lardman: WAIT | 02:52 |
| sp3000 | oh, wait, that file works ok for me | 02:53 |
| shackan | lardman: I just got it using a shell on a remote system | 02:53 |
| aspiers | my N810 came with 1.2007.42-18 - anyone know how that compares with the latest version? | 02:53 |
| lardman | shackan: something odd about your connection then? | 02:53 |
| shackan | sp3000, lardman: maybe it's a broken mirror, could you check what ip does repositories.maemo.org resolve to? | 02:53 |
| kbsingh_ | /quit foo | 02:54 |
| sp3000 | too many files, I get confused | 02:54 |
| kbsingh_ | umm | 02:54 |
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| lardman | 62.24.131.11 or .16 | 02:55 |
| shackan | a515.g.akamai.net (79.140.80.64) <= BROKEN | 02:55 |
| shackan | a515.g.akamai.net.b0ec0f50.1.cn.akamaitech.net (195.176.255.135) <= working | 02:55 |
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| lardman | assuming I've interpreted the WinXP output the right way!? | 02:55 |
| shackan | their cdn is screwed up then | 02:55 |
| shackan | sorry for the noise then | 02:56 |
| lardman | I also have a515.g.akamai.net as the name tho | 02:56 |
| sp3000 | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/274264 is a set that doesn't work for me, fwiw | 02:57 |
| sp3000 | yeah, it's just the ips that resolve to different things | 02:57 |
| * sp3000 gets a pair of 213.155.151.x | 02:58 | |
| lardman | sp3000: I also get "The service is temporarily unavailable. We are very sorry for the inconvinience it may cause." from at least the first of those | 02:58 |
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| lardman | hmm, I now can't get python2.5-bluez_0.9.1-1osso2_armel.deb from http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pybluez/ | 02:59 |
| lardman | IP issues | 02:59 |
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| shackan | sigh, why is /etc/hosts in sbox ignored? | 03:03 |
| shackan | sigh, why is also /etc/hosts in the host ignored?? | 03:03 |
| sp3000 | something about the resolver not supporting updating from that or something | 03:04 |
| sp3000 | or something | 03:04 |
| * sp3000 doesn't recall | 03:04 | |
| shackan | grrrr | 03:04 |
| sp3000 | reboot :P | 03:04 |
| * sp3000 ducks | 03:04 | |
| sp3000 | although, isn't that just for running processes, not new ones | 03:05 |
| * sp3000 really doesn't recall | 03:05 | |
| shackan | &£%/&£$%/£$%"£!!!!!! I also logged in and out of sb | 03:05 |
| sp3000 | yeah, that's probably what I was thingking | 03:05 |
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| shackan | and sbox_ctl restart'ed | 03:06 |
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| fnordianslip | is it something to do with /etc/nswitch.conf ? | 03:08 |
| fnordianslip | nsswitch | 03:08 |
| fnordianslip | had to tweak that to get dns working in sb | 03:09 |
| shackan | unlikely, because other entries in the *host* /etc/hosts are recognized inside scratchbox | 03:09 |
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| shackan | but those were set months ago | 03:09 |
| fnordianslip | hmm | 03:10 |
| shackan | hahaha, fail | 03:11 |
| Cptnodegard | epic fail, lolcat style | 03:11 |
| shackan | 1) /scratchbox/etc/hosts is a COPY of the original, rather than a link | 03:11 |
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| fnordianslip | ah | 03:11 |
| shackan | 2) (chroot)/etc/hosts seems to be ignored | 03:11 |
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| disq | just finished reading the emacs tutorial | 03:15 |
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| sp3000 | lardman: can you verify that you don't get debs for the other urls in the pastebin, too? | 03:18 |
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| snak | how come the aplicaion manager doesnt list all the apss on maemo.org? | 03:25 |
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| fnordianslip | repos r fried | 03:29 |
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| lardman | sp3000: sorry, fell asleep there for a minute, give me a mo | 03:31 |
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| lardman | sp3000: yeah, none work for me, though the other files in the same location do work | 03:33 |
| lardman | sp3000: strange | 03:33 |
| sp3000 | ok | 03:34 |
| lardman | anyway, bed time | 03:34 |
| sp3000 | yeah, I just wanted to verify that it's consistent like that | 03:34 |
| lardman | night all | 03:34 |
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| sp3000 | sounds like a plan | 03:34 |
| thoughtfix | Hello hello again | 03:35 |
| thoughtfix | sh-boom | 03:35 |
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| yabbas|compilin | thoughtfix, so..when's the next competition? ;) | 03:39 |
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| snak | app manager complains that there a package missing. Know where i can get my hands on additional packages? | 03:47 |
| snak | specifically, libxpm4 | 03:48 |
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| skibur | any fast emulator for mame? | 03:52 |
| GNUton | skibur: is xmame slow? | 03:56 |
| skibur | not sure | 03:56 |
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| skibur | I would like to play galaga | 03:56 |
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| Ar-ras | hi | 04:00 |
| Ar-ras | there is a new version of IT Os 2008 | 04:00 |
| Ar-ras | is there any changelog? | 04:00 |
| snak | as far as im concerned its: GUI upgrade | 04:00 |
| snak | bit like getting windows vista | 04:01 |
| Ar-ras | uff | 04:01 |
| Ar-ras | i mean a changelog between the beta and the new version RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (for N800) | 04:01 |
| snak | i looked for one, and could only find one that was written in half binary - half programming language | 04:02 |
| astro76 | Ar-ras, http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html | 04:03 |
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| astro76 | nothing more than package version change info though | 04:03 |
| snak | yeah, thats what i meant | 04:04 |
| Ar-ras | no bugfixes? | 04:04 |
| snak | bugfixes? maemo doesnt do bugs ;) | 04:06 |
| Ar-ras | featurefixes? | 04:06 |
| snak | ^_^ | 04:06 |
| snak | nice | 04:06 |
| snak | its worth upgrading and checking out | 04:07 |
| snak | i havent had any problems with mine | 04:07 |
| snak | and it works similar to OS2007 | 04:07 |
| snak | but i can seem to find bomberman | 04:07 |
| snak | grrr :@ | 04:07 |
| Ar-ras | what i hate is skype | 04:08 |
| Ar-ras | doesnt work on the beta 2008 | 04:08 |
| snak | really? | 04:08 |
| snak | but OS2008 isnt beta anymore, and my skype seems to be working ok so far | 04:09 |
| Ar-ras | voicechat breaksdown after 1 minute | 04:09 |
| snak | ah, havent tried that yet | 04:09 |
| snak | i hope it doesnt | 04:09 |
| snak | or im going to find an OS2007 image | 04:09 |
| Ar-ras | well let see | 04:10 |
| skibur | is mame ok? | 04:10 |
| Ar-ras | i didnt found DKU-2 Cable.. so i use motorola C330 Cable :D | 04:11 |
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| yabbas|compilin | right..anyone here compile kernel modules before? | 04:15 |
| * yabbas|compilin needs help | 04:15 | |
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| halley | Anyone actually try the Skype on the stock N810 image? | 04:15 |
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| [pablo]_ | repo's still down? | 04:21 |
| [pablo]_ | halley: stock n810 doesn't ship with skype, you have to install it | 04:21 |
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| alnr | after putting os2008 on my n800 there was a prompt for mobile phone carrier eg tmobile. then it showed up in connections. I had to delete and recreate the bluetooth entry and now the connection is gone. short of reinstalling os2008 how can i get that connection back | 04:31 |
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| alnr | (which didnt actually work saying it could not contact the phone which is why i redid the bluetooth) | 04:31 |
| halley | [pablo]_, but it came with an installer... that's all I'm asking. No kernel update required or anything? | 04:32 |
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| [pablo]_ | halley: yeah, it's on the n800 too now | 04:42 |
| [pablo]_ | i tested out gizmo, which worked great, and i've read that skype works great too | 04:42 |
| halley | I didn't understand why Nokia put both gizmo and skype installers on the stock image. | 04:43 |
| [pablo]_ | because anyone who is going to have either one of those as a selling point for buying the tablet already has a preference | 04:43 |
| [pablo]_ | if someone has been using gizmo for a year for thier voip needs, they aren't going to switch to skype because it's on the n810 | 04:44 |
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| ds3 | do either of those support SIP? | 04:53 |
| [pablo]_ | gizmo does | 04:54 |
| ds3 | hmmm | 04:54 |
| acydlord | the default chat/call app supports sip as well now | 04:54 |
| alnr | i'm wondering if i can use my tmobile dash as an internet connection in os2008. the phone pair and I specified 'tmobile internet' as the phone connection, but when i try to select the connection it says 'connection failed to phone..', any idea if this can be made to work in os2008 | 04:55 |
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| ds3 | hmmm no free | 04:58 |
| ds3 | not | 04:58 |
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| db48x | err | 04:58 |
| db48x | why can you choose to make xterm use a superscript or subscript font? | 04:58 |
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| skibur | :) | 05:00 |
| skibur | :( Xmame runs slow | 05:01 |
| skibur | trying out pacman | 05:01 |
| skibur | doesn't start | 05:03 |
| ds3 | seems gizmo is tied to their sip servers? | 05:03 |
| iBrat | have there been any news on porting Java VM to the tablets? | 05:07 |
| db48x | ds3: there's an option to log into another sip server | 05:07 |
| iBrat | I'm curious about this as I'd love it if this device could also let me log into Pogo so I can play anywhere I've got a connection | 05:07 |
| iBrat | it's not going to be a deal breaker for me though, was just wondering if it'd even be possible | 05:09 |
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| ds3 | db48x: oh? the links I been finding says it doesn't allow it... nice | 05:10 |
| db48x | there's a checkbox on the opening screen | 05:11 |
| db48x | what I need to do is find a way to copy my cellphone | 05:14 |
| db48x | 's phone book to gizmo | 05:14 |
| db48x | or even just into a portable format | 05:15 |
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| db48x | of course, the fact that my phone is more akin to an ancient artifact from a lost civilization than a modern phone is probably going to be my downfall | 05:17 |
| [pablo]_ | db48x: pen and paper =) | 05:21 |
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| skibur | ok | 05:28 |
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| AD-N770 | hi ppl | 05:46 |
| AD-N770 | any one had been able to install the final chinook? | 05:46 |
| GAN800 | Yes. | 05:47 |
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| AD-N770 | I'm having problems with the repositories | 05:47 |
| AD-N770 | last days, but now is going better | 05:48 |
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| AD-N770 | but there's a bunch of debs that seems to be removed on the repo | 05:48 |
| K`zan | UPS, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! | 05:52 |
| K`zan | Sorry... | 05:52 |
| K`zan | WW | 05:52 |
| ds3 | there is a reason they are brown | 05:54 |
| AD-N770 | I'm getting this (http://pastebin.com/d63df839) during the apt-get install maemo-sdk-runtime | 05:54 |
| AD-N770 | any idea? please could someone send me a copy of this bunch of debs copied from their local cache? | 05:56 |
| iBrat | so no one knows about whether java applets could be possible? | 05:56 |
| GAN800 | We need Java before we can get applets | 05:56 |
| GAN800 | Of course it's possible | 05:56 |
| GAN800 | But you need to hildonize Java first. | 05:56 |
| iBrat | how difficult is it to hildonize? | 05:57 |
| GAN800 | My guess: if you have to ask, you wont be able to do it. ;) | 05:57 |
| iBrat | I'm curious since I'm thinking about picking up the N800, and I might try my hand at maybe porting some apps but lol, sounds like I'd better enjoy it and learn as much as I can then! | 05:58 |
| GAN800 | I'd look into Ruby over Java | 05:58 |
| iBrat | to be honest, one reason I was interested in Java was mainly because of a gaming site, Pogo...but it'll come when it comes | 05:59 |
| AD-N770 | GAN800: could you send me the missing debians? | 05:59 |
| GAN800 | Uh, why would I have them? :)p | 05:59 |
| GAN800 | Wait a day or two for the repos to settle down. | 05:59 |
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| AD-N770 | GAN800: ok, could you build a pair if packages for me? | 06:00 |
| GAN800 | I don't have the SDK installed. | 06:01 |
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| iBrat | thanks, GAN800...I have a feeling I'm going to enjoy this device regardless and I can't wait to hold it in my hands | 06:03 |
| AD-N770 | is someone in the channel having the final chinook SDK installed? | 06:04 |
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| AD-N770 | I'll come later, see you | 06:06 |
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| snak | anyone know how to get skype to ring the speakers when the heapones are plugged in | 07:01 |
| snak | i mean, when someone calls you | 07:01 |
| snak | maybe that feature is too useful -.- | 07:01 |
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| madar | hello room, trying to flash a new n810 with updated os but can't seem to get past the following | 07:47 |
| madar | NOLO version 1.1.6 | 07:47 |
| madar | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> | 07:47 |
| madar | switched to static version of flasher but still no go | 07:47 |
| madar | any thoughts? | 07:47 |
| madar | I am running as root | 07:48 |
| madar | on an ubuntu gutsy install | 07:48 |
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| pupnik_ | no code... | 08:09 |
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| sgehrman | i'm on mac, I can't update | 08:10 |
| sgehrman | flasher for mac doesn't work | 08:11 |
| sgehrman | help | 08:11 |
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| sgehrman | maemo should give up. Android will dominate. Maemo is the new Palm. DOA | 08:14 |
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| madar | feeling kinda silly just missed the -F when I was typing... lame | 08:15 |
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| pupnik | |tbb| says plugin the usb-cable - shutdown the device - push power button while pressing the home button then on linux box do -> ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 08:15 |
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| astro76 | heh what a moron | 08:18 |
| pupnik | i was just reading 'omron introduces wimax antenna' | 08:19 |
| pupnik | it's all connected, man! | 08:19 |
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| ds3 | 6 | 08:24 |
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| snak | ARRRGH! the really useful finger keyboard has been nerfed on OS2008, its really annoying | 08:37 |
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| pupnik | that's odd | 08:40 |
| pupnik | 'nerfed'? | 08:40 |
| snak | it used to come up when i touched the edit box with my finger | 08:41 |
| snak | now i have to hit once to get the normal keyboard up | 08:41 |
| snak | then double tap it again to get the finger keyboard | 08:41 |
| snak | how is that usable? | 08:42 |
| snak | am i using this wrong or something? | 08:43 |
| pupnik | duno | 08:44 |
| pupnik | for me, fingers contain too much risk of scratching screen | 08:45 |
| snak | cut your nails -.- | 08:45 |
| snak | i mean | 08:45 |
| snak | claws :p | 08:45 |
| astro76 | you can press the button int he center of the d-pad to switch to finger keyboard | 08:45 |
| astro76 | scratching screen? why aren't you using a screen protector? plus really the screen is so durable the stylus won't scratch it without a protector | 08:46 |
| snak | astro76: that seems to work with google, but not in skype | 08:47 |
| snak | i still have to finger the edit box and then hit square | 08:47 |
| astro76 | yeah that's what I meant | 08:47 |
| snak | but it used to be that you just fingered it once, it detected ur huge finger and it can up fingerboard | 08:48 |
| astro76 | indeed, and it was deliberately removed | 08:48 |
| snak | what? why downgrade that? it was brilliant | 08:48 |
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| astro76 | finger detection was always touchy | 08:50 |
| snak | bah, they could have atleast left an option to turn it on | 08:50 |
| astro76 | I think for the same reason the menu went large size only | 08:50 |
| snak | i never had any problems with it -.- | 08:50 |
| astro76 | I always had a hard time bringing it up | 08:51 |
| snak | hope they make an option to turn it back on, i actually like it | 08:52 |
| snak | liked* it | 08:52 |
| pupnik | astro76: i have no protector, use no fingers, have no scratches -- the problem is dirt on fingers and dragging imo | 08:52 |
| snak | dragging with fingers is a pain | 08:53 |
| astro76 | you should use a protector, it's a finger/stylus based device | 08:53 |
| pupnik | 770 doesn't need one imo | 08:53 |
| pupnik | if i had 800 i would have protector | 08:53 |
| astro76 | snak, did you vote on the bug? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2621 | 08:53 |
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| snak | oh oh, i can vote on it? | 08:54 |
| snak | nice | 08:54 |
| snak | i better create an account :] | 08:54 |
| pupnik | Dec 21 - Oct 18 equals two months of waiting | 08:55 |
| * pupnik not happy | 08:55 | |
| astro76 | what are you waiting for? | 08:56 |
| K`zan | Night all. | 08:57 |
| astro76 | snak, bug confirmed by popular vote ;) | 08:57 |
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| snak | =] | 09:01 |
| snak | thanks for the heads up astro | 09:02 |
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| _z_ | I could confirm that apt-get update messes my glibc | 09:10 |
| pupnik | heh like the good old debian days | 09:11 |
| pupnik | astro76: developer discount code | 09:11 |
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| madar | is there something I need to do to install codec packs for the default media player so far not playing my H.264 files (inside .mov container) or mp4s | 09:13 |
| madar | so far this is all I've tested so far | 09:13 |
| pupnik | are there such things? | 09:14 |
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| * pupnik ponders soup | 09:16 | |
| _z_ | after all thinkering, netbsd port to 770 could solve all headaches | 09:18 |
| pupnik | _z_: you had the glibc problem on 770? this seems new | 09:20 |
| _z_ | hm, every time after update of repositories | 09:21 |
| _z_ | this morning also | 09:21 |
| pupnik | ty for the info. i updated early 2007, but normally i don't update | 09:21 |
| pupnik | only individual packages | 09:21 |
| _z_ | I like to see the list and never add something | 09:22 |
| pupnik | oh sorry i confused update with upgrade | 09:22 |
| _z_ | and wifi stopped to work this morning | 09:23 |
| pupnik | update should never change anything | 09:23 |
| pupnik | s/change/install | 09:23 |
| _z_ | I had to shutdown -r explicitely | 09:23 |
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| _z_ | something triggers something | 09:24 |
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| _z_ | mgedmin thinks it is a ifi memory corruption | 09:24 |
| _z_ | *wifi | 09:24 |
| pupnik | i am updating | 09:25 |
| _z_ | I failed | 09:25 |
| pupnik | what error did you see? | 09:25 |
| _z_ | not updated | 09:26 |
| _z_ | non-free has no correct gz file | 09:27 |
| _z_ | and some gpg | 09:27 |
| _z_ | I don't really need it | 09:27 |
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| _z_ | a matter of concept; has to work | 09:28 |
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| _z_ | pupnik,have you updated list successfuly? | 09:30 |
| pupnik | yes besides the normal repo errors | 09:30 |
| _z_ | my case is 'taken old list' | 09:31 |
| _z_ | I see those missing also in app manager | 09:31 |
| _z_ | hm | 09:31 |
| _z_ | I hope n810 could work in console mode | 09:32 |
| gpd | any mirrors for the futsed repositories? | 09:33 |
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| _z_ | are they in sync? | 09:34 |
| pupnik | maybe your status is corrupt | 09:34 |
| _z_ | mine? | 09:34 |
| pupnik | _z_: cp /var/lib/status /home/user/statusbak && mv /var/lib/status-old /var/lib/status | 09:34 |
| pupnik | sorry | 09:34 |
| _z_ | lemme c | 09:34 |
| pupnik | /var/lib/dpkg | 09:34 |
| pupnik | corrupt /var/lib/dpkg/status is not uncommon | 09:35 |
| pupnik | you can also edit it with vi | 09:35 |
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| _z_ | gregale | 09:36 |
| _z_ | found in dpkg | 09:37 |
| _z_ | low power now; have towait a little | 09:37 |
| _z_ | and no status in /var/lib | 09:38 |
| pupnik | /var/lib/dpkg | 09:39 |
| pupnik | I MADE A MISTAKE | 09:39 |
| _z_ | yes, dpkg | 09:39 |
| _z_ | have it | 09:39 |
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| _z_ | the same size | 09:39 |
| pupnik | ah | 09:40 |
| notsmack | any way to set a WPA key from a terminal on a 770? | 09:40 |
| _z_ | wpa-supplicant? | 09:40 |
| _z_ | pupnik, what do you think I should do? | 09:41 |
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| pupnik | i would vi status | 09:42 |
| pupnik | and check for garbage characters | 09:43 |
| pupnik | but not sure about what to do | 09:43 |
| _z_ | looks fine | 09:43 |
| thefool | are the repos working yet? | 09:44 |
| _z_ | good question | 09:45 |
| _z_ | manualy, ys | 09:45 |
| _z_ | pupnik, 477 kb file looks correct | 09:46 |
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| thefool | but not with the application manager? | 09:46 |
| _z_ | empty it? | 09:46 |
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| _z_ | ah, just problems | 09:46 |
| thefool | It is not timing out like it was before, but it still tells me it could not refresh the list | 09:47 |
| _z_ | yes | 09:47 |
| _z_ | gpg is wrong | 09:47 |
| _z_ | some gz corrupted | 09:47 |
| _z_ | maemo guys are missing in the mist | 09:49 |
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| sgehrman | To flash bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image | 09:50 |
| sgehrman | i'm getting this | 09:51 |
| sgehrman | any ideas? | 09:51 |
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| _z_ | bbl | 09:55 |
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| sgehrman | this chat is useless. like maemo | 09:58 |
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| sgehrman | when Maemo dies you guys can get a job at Palm. Your probably good at working on obsolete poor quality technologies | 10:03 |
| Cptnodegard | i have a mobile crane for rent | 10:05 |
| Cptnodegard | if you need help getting that eiffel tower out of your anus | 10:05 |
| sgehrman | how can I flash my 810 on mac. it fails | 10:06 |
| sgehrman | like every other feature on this crappy 810 | 10:07 |
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| Cptnodegard | it fails because your n810 dont love you, because you call it crap. gadgets have feelings too | 10:07 |
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| pupnik | sgehrman: | 10:13 |
| sgehrman | ja | 10:13 |
| pupnik | ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R | 10:13 |
| sgehrman | that's what I've been doing | 10:14 |
| sgehrman | but I'm on mac | 10:14 |
| pupnik | run flasher first, then turn on nokia | 10:14 |
| sgehrman | i did | 10:14 |
| pupnik | ok | 10:14 |
| sgehrman | To flash bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image | 10:15 |
| sgehrman | get that message | 10:15 |
| sgehrman | then it quits | 10:15 |
| pupnik | i installed multi-boot loader from device | 10:15 |
| pupnik | it's more fun with multiple systems on the mmc | 10:16 |
| pupnik | maybe check itt forums, or describe problem on maemo-users | 10:16 |
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| thefool | has anyon here used Wizard Mounter? | 10:26 |
| thefool | I can not seem to get it to mount my NFS share | 10:26 |
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| GNUton | hi! | 10:42 |
| pupnik | moo GNUton | 10:42 |
| snak | greetz | 10:42 |
| GNUton | hey pupnik! :) | 10:43 |
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| thefool | anyone here have nfs-common working? | 10:50 |
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| thefool | anyone have nfs or samba mounting working? | 10:55 |
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| kulve | for me the 2008 sees my samba shares out-of-the-box | 11:20 |
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| AD-N770 | good morning | 11:27 |
| thefool | good morning | 11:35 |
| thefool | kulve: unfortunately I am still using 2007HE on a 770 so... good to know thats out of the box in 2008 though | 11:36 |
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| thefool | I am following the directions at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/#3aa70fb4ecdace0c1b0ceec114d4da54 but I can't load the modules | 11:38 |
| thefool | I am getting an invalid module format error | 11:39 |
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| thefool | ah well, I guess I will come back when there are more people on | 11:51 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:57 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, a "Refresh application list" seemed to just work well. Maybe time for an upgrade | 11:57 |
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| snak | hmph | 11:58 |
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| blithe | Can someone tell me how to leave my n800 when I'm not using it? Twice now, I've left the device with a decent amount of battery, only to come back 8'ish hours later and have it be completely dead. | 12:00 |
| snak | turn if off? | 12:01 |
| blithe | I've been just doing 'lock screen and buttons'... | 12:01 |
| snak | im geussing it would still be connected wirelessly | 12:01 |
| snak | and radio stuff can be a right sucker for power | 12:01 |
| blithe | Aye, So I guess it doesn't 'idle' as well as I thought. | 12:02 |
| blithe | I thought it could idle for 5 days or somesuch. | 12:02 |
| johnx | usually it will last for a couple days at least | 12:02 |
| snak | not while being online i reckon | 12:02 |
| snak | i havent had mine very ling | 12:02 |
| johnx | do you think there might be something running in the bacground? | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | snak: it should do | 12:03 |
| snak | johnx: while still connected to wireless? | 12:03 |
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| johnx | I easily get a day out of mine connected to wireless | 12:03 |
| Jaffa | blithe: what extra software/customisations have you done? | 12:03 |
| blithe | Nothing special, I had pidgin running earlier. | 12:03 |
| blithe | The feed reader may have been open. | 12:03 |
| johnx | but if I stay logged into it with sshd it will kill the whole battery in a couple hours even if the session is idle | 12:03 |
| johnx | leaving pidgin connected would probably do it | 12:04 |
| snak | eek | 12:04 |
| snak | i havent done much batter tests yet and i havent been out much with it yet | 12:04 |
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| blithe | So best practices is to take it into offline mode then I'd suspect. | 12:04 |
| johnx | or just sign out of anything holding open a connection | 12:05 |
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| johnx | but if you don't need it online then going to offline mode will definitely improve battery life | 12:05 |
| snak | or you could buy a nuclear battery pack | 12:05 |
| blithe | Aight, good stuff to know. | 12:05 |
| snak | ive got one for my portable ps3 | 12:06 |
| johnx | do you remember a couple years ago there was some talk about a radio-isotope battery pack for laptops? | 12:06 |
| snak | what happend with those? | 12:06 |
| johnx | I don't think they ever got anywhere | 12:06 |
| snak | rats :( | 12:06 |
| johnx | waaaaay too many potential issues | 12:07 |
| johnx | I mean Li-Ion batteries are dangerous enough | 12:07 |
| snak | fuel cells look hard to use | 12:07 |
| snak | too fiddly | 12:07 |
| blithe | Thanks for the advice guys. Still figuring out my device. | 12:07 |
| blithe | Night! | 12:08 |
| snak | hmmm, maybe i could rig up a solar cell | 12:08 |
| johnx | 'night | 12:08 |
| snak | good night | 12:08 |
| johnx | snak, it'd have to be pretty big | 12:08 |
| snak | i wonder how much power this uses | 12:08 |
| johnx | I think someone did a test on the itt forums | 12:08 |
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| johnx | can't be more than a couple watts even when charging | 12:09 |
| snak | youre kidding? | 12:09 |
| snak | :o | 12:09 |
| snak | look at the charger | 12:09 |
| snak | thats 4W | 12:09 |
| snak | good call johnx | 12:10 |
| johnx | :D | 12:10 |
| snak | i was looking all over the web for info and its right in front of me -.- | 12:10 |
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| johnx | couple good threads on itt: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13053&highlight=power+watts and http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13387&highlight=power+watts | 12:11 |
| snak | someones done it already, BAH! ive been beatten to it -.- | 12:13 |
| johnx | sorry to spoil it for you | 12:14 |
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| snak | i might just make one of these | 12:15 |
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| johnx | I'm really glad to see portable solar power becoming more of a reality | 12:19 |
| p| | johnx, ? | 12:21 |
| p| | ha ok | 12:21 |
| p| | ;) | 12:21 |
| johnx | sorry, referring to things I linked :P | 12:21 |
| snak | its brilliant, its the way it should be | 12:22 |
| johnx | so, what's your interest in solar power? hiking/biking? or saving energy? | 12:22 |
| snak | how about a never ending battery life? =) | 12:23 |
| johnx | that would sure be nice | 12:23 |
| snak | hiking and biking too | 12:23 |
| snak | solar cells have come along a bit | 12:24 |
| snak | figured i might try something | 12:24 |
| johnx | anyways, I'm off for a bit | 12:25 |
| johnx | 'night all | 12:25 |
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| pupnik | what is it with wives hating large loudspeakers | 12:28 |
| pupnik | "If it doesn't lead to marital strife, I'll leave them in place for a day or two and just listen." | 12:29 |
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| youam | is there some way to get battery information while the device is on the charger (on os2008) | 12:31 |
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| snak | what information do you want? | 12:31 |
| youam | snak: how much juice the battery has. e.g., the same information available when it's not on the charger | 12:33 |
| snak | ah -.- | 12:34 |
| snak | pull it out and take a look :p | 12:34 |
| snak | i think its normally 1500mAh | 12:35 |
| youam | snak: that's not exactly the answer i wanted to hear ;-P | 12:35 |
| youam | snak: erm, no, not how much the battery /could/ hold, but how much lifetime i could get out of the n800 if i unpluged now (without unplugging...) | 12:36 |
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| snak | oh right | 12:37 |
| steri | repositories seems to download now but canola2 still says at packet is corrupted | 12:37 |
| steri | any tips? | 12:37 |
| snak | it varies so much though | 12:38 |
| snak | the time would never be accurate | 12:38 |
| snak | best bet to buy another batter for when that one dies ;) | 12:38 |
| snak | steri: funny that, ive been getting a few "packets missing" and such lately too | 12:39 |
| snak | could it have something to do with the topic -> "repository.maemo.org debs are broken"? | 12:39 |
| steri | but like I said :P now it atleast download that list from there before it didn't even do that | 12:40 |
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| snak | dunno. im a total newb | 12:41 |
| youam | snak: no, we're still talking about different things. i only want to know whether my battery is nearly empty or half full or nearly completely loaded, without having to take it out of the charger to get the estimate. i just want the estimate /while/ on the charger | 12:41 |
| snak | crikey | 12:41 |
| snak | battery physics tells me you dont know how much is in a battery, ever, but you can tell when its about full ;) | 12:42 |
| snak | i highly doubt it | 12:42 |
| snak | and even if you do get one, it'll be a estimate with a large margin for error | 12:43 |
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| youam | snak: well, the device does show one when it's off the charger. i just want the same estimate when it's on the charger | 12:46 |
| snak | take it off the charger =) | 12:46 |
| snak | it can only tell you if it knows how much power its currently using | 12:46 |
| snak | i know, im not being very helpful -.- | 12:47 |
| youam | it could remember that from the previous times off the charger | 12:47 |
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| youam | anyway, i'd be happy with some information like "nearly empty" / "about half full" / "nearly full" / "full" | 12:48 |
| snak | i cant see from a hardware perspective how that'd even be possible | 12:49 |
| Cptnodegard | is there any rar/zip program for internet tables? | 12:50 |
| snak | yes | 12:51 |
| Cptnodegard | ^^ | 12:51 |
| tontsa | i would imagine both rar and zip work just fine | 12:51 |
| snak | ^_^ | 12:51 |
| Cptnodegard | some guy on a forum is pissed at his touch and looking for alternatives that can actually download stuff xD and unzip | 12:52 |
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| youam | snak: my laptop's battery remembers how much mAh i put in and take out and can guess how much can fit in and count how much should be in there right now | 12:54 |
| MikeL | Cptnodegard: do you have the link? | 12:54 |
| Cptnodegard | to the forum? its in norwegian | 12:55 |
| MikeL | Oh, can ask google to translate? | 12:55 |
| snak | youam: nice, its doable, but considoring the size of the N800, i still doubt it | 12:55 |
| Jaffa | Damn. Seems the repositories are still broken, despite App Mgr refreshing properly before the upgrade. I wonder if it's a problem specific to this version of OS2008 - that'd explain the Canola problems as well. | 12:56 |
| snak | fell free to correct me if im wrong there | 12:57 |
| snak | but you'd have to measure and count the current in and from the battery | 12:57 |
| youam | snak: i'm not sure. something like "i was at 10% battery when i got plugged in, last full charge took 2 hours, now i'm on for 45 minutes" should give a good enough estimate, even when the charge is not linear | 12:57 |
| thefool | Jaffa: unfortunately not as I am having the same issue with 2007 | 12:57 |
| Jaffa | thefool: damn | 12:58 |
| Cptnodegard | MikeL: http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=826145&view=findpost&p=10168109 | 12:58 |
| thefool | from trying things manually it seems some of their keys are now different | 12:58 |
| MikeL | Cptnodegard: Thanks :-) | 12:59 |
| youam | snak: anyhow, i wanted to know if there was some way to look at the current status of the battery. apparently there is not, and we're only arguing how one could implement it the best way technically... | 12:59 |
| Cptnodegard | ^^ | 12:59 |
| snak | youam: well, irc is for geeks, and arguements | 12:59 |
| youam | snak: right :) | 13:00 |
| snak | and typos -.- | 13:00 |
| snak | i could proove it | 13:01 |
| thefool | no one makres typos on irc... | 13:01 |
| snak | hand up here who isnt a geek | 13:01 |
| snak | hands* | 13:01 |
| snak | ahh, see? | 13:01 |
| * thefool raises his hand just to tick off snak | 13:01 | |
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| snak | grr :( | 13:02 |
| thefool | I just found out that the default media player can play things off my bluetooth phone without "downloading" them. | 13:03 |
| Jaffa | neat | 13:03 |
| thefool | I wish I could get canola to do that | 13:03 |
| thefool | my phone has 2gb and my 770 has 64mb so thats really useful for me | 13:03 |
| thefool | hoping for a mmc for christmas | 13:04 |
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| guerby | is anyone successful with repository.maemo.org? | 13:10 |
| guerby | I tried many akamai IP but they all return an HTML error page for Packages.gz | 13:10 |
| guerby | could someone run "host repository.maemo.org" and give me the resulting IP? thx | 13:11 |
| steri | a515.g.akamai.net has address 212.23.59.7 | 13:12 |
| steri | a515.g.akamai.net has address 212.23.59.16 | 13:12 |
| steri | repositories are working fine for me BUT packages are broken :( | 13:12 |
| tontsa | 195.58.96.158 and 195.58.96.151 for .fi | 13:13 |
| steri | ? | 13:13 |
| steri | mirror? | 13:13 |
| tontsa | is what you get when you do "host" in .fi | 13:13 |
| steri | I got that with sonera :P | 13:14 |
| tontsa | i guess it's not geo based stuff then afterall, just random IPs from pool | 13:14 |
| guerby | steri, thx the .16 worked for me | 13:15 |
| guerby | tontsa, 195.58 seems in the same broken state than what I tried | 13:17 |
| Jaffa | It's ridiculously shonky. | 13:18 |
| tontsa | well i'm not surprised.. it's utfors/telenor network :) | 13:18 |
| Jaffa | guerby: what was your bug number again? Could do with publicising on p.m.o | 13:18 |
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| guerby | Jaffa I opened a new one since the image stuff is said to be fixed: | 13:20 |
| guerby | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2635 | 13:20 |
| Freefood | is there a way to run s60 apps on the n800 does anyone know? i am a newbie to my n800 | 13:21 |
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| snak | a515.g.akamai.net 84.45.224.16 | 13:23 |
| tontsa | don't think there's any working s60 emulator | 13:23 |
| Freefood | cheers thanks | 13:23 |
| Freefood | i was looking to get route66 for my s60 working on the n800 | 13:24 |
| snak | say, you know the "application manager", is repository where it gets all the programs from? | 13:24 |
| tontsa | you mean the default repos? | 13:25 |
| snak | huh? | 13:25 |
| tontsa | yeah i guess we are writing diffrent dialects of english and they are incompatible :) | 13:26 |
| snak | im running it through google translate now, but i cant find my native tongue "noob speak" | 13:26 |
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| snak | the n800 "application manager", when i get a program off it, does it download it from repository.maemo.org? | 13:27 |
| snak | im curious | 13:27 |
| Bastich | i wish you all good day | 13:27 |
| tontsa | snak, no | 13:27 |
| snak | errr, where does it come from then? | 13:28 |
| tontsa | the pristine n800 gets stuff from http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ | 13:28 |
| snak | the quantum void? | 13:28 |
| tontsa | there's certified, non-certified and updates/chinook | 13:28 |
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| Rocketman | Can someone help me confirm a Canola 2 bug? | 13:29 |
| snak | tontsa: ummm, that directory structure is sooo fucked up | 13:30 |
| Rocketman | I want to confirm something before I write up a bug report | 13:31 |
| snak | try it, and if it doesnt work, report it? =] | 13:31 |
| Freefood | can anyone recommend gps software for n800? | 13:31 |
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| Rocketman | I want to make sure the behaviour is consistent on another unit | 13:32 |
| tontsa | Freefood, try maemo-mapper. if not happy with that then buy the wayfinder software | 13:32 |
| tontsa | there's no others i think.. besides the "map" included | 13:32 |
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| snak | easy, getting put on the CIA terrorist suspect list and use the bug they planted on you to get your location | 13:32 |
| snak | i really should keep my mouth shut | 13:33 |
| Rocketman | If I have several podcast feeds and I am listening to one of them while I add a new feed, the playing feed stops and that item is no longer playable | 13:33 |
| Bastich | hi, does anyone here have some experience with nokia n810 in a role of a reading device? | 13:33 |
| steri | Rocketman: send me the freaking packet so I can test it :D | 13:33 |
| MikeL | Rocketman: Whats your bug | 13:33 |
| yabbas|compilin | Bastich, whacha wanna know? | 13:33 |
| MikeL | OH see it | 13:33 |
| Rocketman | I can delete the affected item and redownload, but it will still not play when clicked | 13:34 |
| Bastich | i'm considering buying a pda, mostly for reading e-books and i wanted ipaq 210 before but today i found out about nokia n810 so i can't decide now | 13:34 |
| Rocketman | If I use the ff/rw buttons to get to it, it will play | 13:34 |
| MikeL | Rocketman: For info here are bugs already added for Canola2 tracker https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=browse&group_id=125&atid=1989 | 13:35 |
| tontsa | Bastich, if you are going just for ebook reading then get n800 instead. you don't need the keyboard for that | 13:35 |
| Rocketman | I tried restarting and my list of feeds vanished | 13:35 |
| Rocketman | so it appears to corrupt the feed list somehow | 13:35 |
| snak | Ok geeks, for 5 points, what are mistral, bora and chinook? | 13:35 |
| Bastich | the price is not so much of a matter here and keyboard always comes in handy | 13:35 |
| MikeL | Rocketman: Not tried podcasts yet myself so cannot comment | 13:35 |
| Rocketman | no time like the present | 13:36 |
| tontsa | snak, chinook is codename for current 2008. bora was i think beta-os2008 and no idea about mistral | 13:36 |
| tontsa | could be 2007 | 13:36 |
| Bastich | i was just concerned about the platform, can you get a decent e-reader for maemo? | 13:36 |
| yabbas|compilin | Bastich, what tontsa said .. although I will add. eBooks, PDFs, etc work VERY well on the tablets. Unfortunately you MAY find that the screen is too small to be comfortable. You will have to zoom into the page, and unfortunateyl that means it doesn't fit properly on the screen. | 13:36 |
| tontsa | Bastich, FBReader is pretty good | 13:36 |
| snak | tontsa: correct. 5 points | 13:36 |
| yabbas|compilin | Bastich, default PDF reader is great. FBReader is great. eVince is great. | 13:37 |
| MikeL | Rocketman: There are already bugs included for podcasts at link I provided | 13:37 |
| snak | notice how i clevery disguised my own ignorance there =) | 13:37 |
| Rocketman | kk | 13:37 |
| Bastich | do they read pdbs as well? | 13:37 |
| MikeL | Rocketman: Perhaps one is similar | 13:37 |
| yabbas|compilin | you can install ghostscript afaik so pdbs should be readable. | 13:37 |
| glass_ | pdb's from palm? | 13:38 |
| Bastich | but no ready to use app? | 13:38 |
| glass_ | check fbreader and those others | 13:38 |
| yabbas|compilin | ahh the palm stuff...hmm, I thought fbreaderdid that? | 13:38 |
| Rocketman | There is Garnett, a Palm VM for the NITs | 13:38 |
| glass_ | yeah | 13:38 |
| glass_ | so.. they're readable, one way or another | 13:38 |
| glass_ | or just convert.. | 13:39 |
| Bastich | well i thought pdb format was designed for this purpose, to read it on pda devices, wasn't it? | 13:39 |
| glass_ | it's no better than having txt files on linux really | 13:39 |
| * yabbas|compilin nods | 13:39 | |
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| yabbas|compilin | or html files :) | 13:39 |
| glass_ | i prefer txt ebooks :) | 13:40 |
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| Rocketman | Bastich, think of the NITs as being a desktop Linux box that happens to fit in your pocket | 13:40 |
| Bastich | i'm not much of a linux user to be honest, i always had much respect for it, but all that configuration and stuff | 13:40 |
| steri | oh cry :( I want that canolaw now it still whines about corrupted files | 13:42 |
| steri | canola2 | 13:43 |
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| Rocketman | checked and FBReader supports the Palm Aportis Doc format | 13:44 |
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| alterego | No N810 then :( | 13:46 |
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| Rocketman | huh, alterego? | 13:47 |
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| snak | does n800 do wpa2? | 13:50 |
| Bastich | can the displayed content on N810 be flipped to vertical position? | 13:50 |
| snak | rotate your hand 90 degrees to whatever you preference | 13:51 |
| snak | good god snak, shut up | 13:51 |
| Bastich | and it turns automatically? | 13:52 |
| alterego | Rocketman, haven't had an email saying I can order yet. | 13:52 |
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| snak | no, im being a sarcastic bugger/asshole - and i have been all morning. I'm actually trying to be a good boy and stay quiet | 13:53 |
| alterego | Not doing a very good job of it :P | 13:53 |
| snak | my thaughts exactly | 13:53 |
| doc|home | Bastich: nope, but fbreader for example can rotate it iirc | 13:55 |
| doc|home | I don't think the hardware (accelerators) are there to do automatic rotation | 13:56 |
| alterego | Hahah, what? | 13:56 |
| alterego | The kernel can do rotation. | 13:56 |
| Bastich | ok, so can it be done manually? | 13:56 |
| alterego | It doesn't require any extra graphics processing power, not really. | 13:56 |
| alterego | It's not possible right now because hildon doesn't work in that orientation. | 13:57 |
| GNUro | alterego: is it possible to use the X11 rotate function? | 13:58 |
| pupnik | no | 13:59 |
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| GNUro | k | 13:59 |
| pupnik | and viewing anything serious at 480 pixels wide is of questionable value | 14:00 |
| Bastich | and what's your opinion about the processor, it's supposed to have a 400 Mhz proc, but some of the new pdas coming on the market have 624 mhz processors, don't you think its a little drawback for nokia 810? | 14:01 |
| alterego | Bastich, have you used an N810 or an N800? | 14:01 |
| Bastich | nope, never, that's why i'm so fricking curious now | 14:02 |
| alterego | We don't need those extra ticks :P | 14:02 |
| alterego | It works fine as is. | 14:02 |
| alterego | Maybe the next iteration will have a faster CPU .. | 14:02 |
| Bastich | by that you mean that linux kernel on 400 mhz is more efficient than windows mobile on 624 mhz machine? | 14:03 |
| alterego | No, I'm saying why compare them if you're happy with how it operates? | 14:03 |
| alterego | There's no point in being obsessive over clock ticks. If the system runs fine on the hardware it's on then why does it matter? | 14:03 |
| sp3000 | more rpm, better sound | 14:04 |
| sp3000 | right!?1 | 14:04 |
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| Bastich | yes, that's my point, i don't insist on those extra ticks, all i want is good operation | 14:06 |
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| tontsa | i haven't had any performance problems yet on n810, everything is very snappy | 14:07 |
| Bastich | good for you | 14:07 |
| Bastich | gosh, i can't decide now, can't ya swing me to one side or other? :) which one is it gonna be, ipaq, nokia, ipaq, nokia? hell, now i know what ambivalence means | 14:12 |
| tontsa | it really depends if you like windows mobile or not | 14:13 |
| hugolp | Bastich: the n800 is a great deal | 14:13 |
| hugolp | I have one for 3 weeks now and Im happier than I though I would be | 14:13 |
| tontsa | i personally can't stand windows mobile.. but that's mostly due to it not having good ssh-client that would do copy-paste between other apps | 14:13 |
| tontsa | (i have one HTC unit with WM6) | 14:14 |
| hugolp | I want to see the new HTC with android next year | 14:14 |
| hugolp | I want to see how java behaves speed wise | 14:14 |
| tontsa | what i read it's not java in traditional sense | 14:14 |
| tontsa | that you need to somehow convert your java bytecode to the android's thingie | 14:15 |
| hugolp | tontsa: it has its own interpreter yeah | 14:15 |
| Bastich | that's my problem, this is gonna be my first pda, so i have no experience with either, wm or maemo, i'm still unbiased | 14:15 |
| hugolp | Bastich: the n800 is great, specially because of the graphic resolution | 14:16 |
| tontsa | Bastich, if your country has concept of mail order that you can return item in 14 days or something | 14:16 |
| tontsa | then order both that way and return the other :) | 14:16 |
| hugolp | I showed to some people and they were really amazed when showing video or pictures | 14:16 |
| hugolp | they had "the look" in their eyes | 14:16 |
| Bastich | that's a good idea, it's a shame that there's no other way how to lay yer hands on them before you purchase em | 14:16 |
| hugolp | "the look" = why this motherfucker has one and I dont? | 14:16 |
| Bastich | i understand, i'm hungry for such device for too long now, all i'm doing now is thinking what new software i'm gonna stuff in, no matter i don't own one yet | 14:18 |
| Bastich | i guess there's more open source software for maemo than there's for WM, am i right? | 14:19 |
| alterego | No | 14:19 |
| alterego | There's a lot more software for Windows Mobile than Maemo. | 14:20 |
| Bastich | yes, but most of it is proprietary, isn't it | 14:20 |
| hugolp | of course | 14:21 |
| alterego | Probably, I don't really know much about Windows Mobile. The idea of it makes my stomach turn :P | 14:21 |
| Bastich | and you maemo guys are living the free software concept | 14:21 |
| alterego | Most of us did already ;) | 14:22 |
| alterego | I bought a tablet because I love using Linux. | 14:22 |
| snak | i baught the tablet cause i like the idea of handheld wireless internet | 14:22 |
| Bastich | tablet is like notebook but with touch screen? | 14:22 |
| snak | Bastich: havent you got one? | 14:23 |
| alterego | Not really, it's something new. | 14:23 |
| Bastich | nope | 14:23 |
| alterego | It's not a PDA, and it's not a notebook. | 14:23 |
| Bastich | umpc then? | 14:23 |
| alterego | It's something new and different :) | 14:23 |
| snak | wow, how did someone without a 770, n800 or n810 end up in #maemo -.- | 14:23 |
| Bastich | can you pass me a link to smt like that? | 14:24 |
| snak | its basically a touchscreen pc | 14:24 |
| Bastich | or just name one, i look it up meself | 14:24 |
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| chille | hello! | 14:24 |
| snak | it does everything a pc does | 14:24 |
| Bastich | that's what i thought | 14:24 |
| Okko | does someone else get corrupted packages from maemo repos? | 14:24 |
| snak | and it even looks like it | 14:24 |
| chille | anyone who knows how to gain root access on OS2008? | 14:24 |
| snak | give it to the russians for 10 seconds | 14:25 |
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| wumpus | hehe | 14:25 |
| Bastich | you just turn and flip the screen on top of the keyboard and navigate with stylus, is that it? | 14:25 |
| hugolp | Okko: me | 14:25 |
| hugolp | chile becomeroot | 14:25 |
| hugolp | chille: becomeroot | 14:25 |
| snak | Bastich: N800 is better than fiddly keyboard N810 | 14:26 |
| snak | and its cheaper too ;) | 14:26 |
| Bastich | you sure? | 14:26 |
| alterego | No, | 14:26 |
| alterego | He doesn't have an N810 and can't comment. | 14:26 |
| Bastich | but doesn't n810 look neater? | 14:26 |
| hugolp | Bastich: yes, I think N800 is a great deal now | 14:26 |
| chille | hugolp: so i just type that in console and get root? no need for RD-mode or something like that? | 14:26 |
| hugolp | does everything N810 does and coust less | 14:26 |
| alterego | chille, it's a package, not a command. | 14:27 |
| hugolp | chille: you need to isntall becomeroot | 14:27 |
| chille | ah, well, okay | 14:27 |
| Okko | chille: at least on OS2007 the easiest way was to install ssh server and do it with ssh | 14:27 |
| hugolp | chille: yoll find it in some of this repositories http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ | 14:27 |
| chille | Okko: but i cant login on root account on ssh, i don't have the password | 14:27 |
| snak | alterego is right, i dont have one, so i cant comment | 14:27 |
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| Bastich | yes and also has a bigger display, that' what i really care for, i'lll give it a thougt | 14:28 |
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| alterego | The N810 is a better machine in my opinion. But the price difference is quite a bit. So if you've got the extra and it's not going to hurt the bank then go for the N810. But the N800 is a great deal. | 14:28 |
| hugolp | Bastich: N800 and N810 has the same display | 14:28 |
| hugolp | alterego: the N810 only can handle one memory card | 14:29 |
| hugolp | N800 two | 14:29 |
| Bastich | nope, 800 has 4.2 while 810 has 4.13 | 14:29 |
| snak | just because a product has an incremental model number doesnt make it better | 14:29 |
| hugolp | build in GPS are allways bad | 14:29 |
| snak | ati drivers are proof of that | 14:29 |
| Bastich | so you clearly see the difference of 0.7 inch | 14:29 |
| Khertan | hi | 14:29 |
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| Okko | chille: the latest openssh should ask for a root password to set when you install it. haven't tried it yet though. | 14:29 |
| Khertan | alterego: still no news about a new release of ruby ? :) | 14:30 |
| hugolp | plus I dont like small keyboards (like the n810 one) but thats just personal | 14:30 |
| alterego | 0.07 | 14:30 |
| VRe | If n810 would be with 2 sd lots then it would have been a clear winner | 14:30 |
| alterego | Khertan, I've been busy with _real_ work :/ | 14:30 |
| alterego | s/_real_/"real"/ ;) | 14:30 |
| Khertan | alterego: no prob ... it s just in case :) | 14:30 |
| Okko | chille: the password on OS2007 for root was "rootme" | 14:30 |
| snak | hugolp: whats that website you posted? | 14:30 |
| snak | it looks like maemo but isnt | 14:30 |
| Khertan | as i still can't install nothing ... i dev :) | 14:30 |
| Bastich | and i'm also concerned that the keyboard might just break off the rest of the device, that's what happended to a friend of mine with her nokia phone | 14:31 |
| chille | Okko: yeah, but the OS2007 password dosn't work on OS2008, and openssh dosn't ask for a password :( | 14:31 |
| tontsa | chille, just install the becomeroot package and then in xterm: sudo gainroot. then change root password | 14:31 |
| chille | Okko: i have also tried the tools for the OS2007 image to enable RD mode, but the OS2008 image looks different | 14:31 |
| hugolp | snak: its a page with repositories (and the packages of each one) for maemo devices | 14:31 |
| chille | tontsa: yeah, i'm working on it :-) | 14:31 |
| hugolp | obviously not all of those repositories are Nokia owned | 14:31 |
| snak | how is it different from maemo.org, it looks the ame | 14:31 |
| hugolp | snak: its just a page with repositories and the packages they have | 14:32 |
| hugolp | maemo.org doesnt have such a list | 14:32 |
| hugolp | whats the deal? | 14:32 |
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| tontsa | snak just seems to be on turbo-troll mode | 14:32 |
| hugolp | ok | 14:33 |
| hugolp | just wake up and my troll radar is still off | 14:33 |
| hugolp | ...... | 14:33 |
| snak | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 | 14:33 |
| snak | oh come on im not trolling | 14:33 |
| snak | im learning about my new n800 | 14:33 |
| tontsa | http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 | 14:33 |
| tontsa | aargh | 14:33 |
| snak | its just i thaught, if i want something, i go there | 14:34 |
| snak | and hugolp goes and posts an equally good website | 14:34 |
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| tontsa | gronmayer.com features lots of "3rd party" repositories as well | 14:34 |
| tontsa | the maemo.org has just stuff from *.maemo.org repos | 14:34 |
| hugolp | snak: both websites are good, in maemo.org/downloads youll find more about whole programs and aplications | 14:34 |
| hugolp | int gronmayer.com youll find little packages you may need and they are hard to find otherwise | 14:35 |
| hugolp | (as well as the others) | 14:35 |
| Okko | "If the software is not obtained from Nokia, Nokia is unable to guarantee that the software will not harm your device" | 14:35 |
| snak | great - bookmarked | 14:35 |
| Okko | Uh, do they guarantee that with Nokia software then? | 14:35 |
| hugolp | Okko: dont think so | 14:35 |
| hugolp | software is never guaranteed | 14:35 |
| snak | i thaught maemo website was all 3rd party anyway | 14:36 |
| Okko | exactly, so that warning is completely useless | 14:36 |
| Okko | chille: I just flashed my N800 to OS2008 and am now installing the package "openssh". It asks me to set new root password. | 14:36 |
| snak | so, how come theres 2 places for the same thing O.o | 14:36 |
| Okko | chille: are you sure you are installing openssh and not the bear-ssh | 14:36 |
| Khertan | (stupid maemo repository) | 14:36 |
| Khertan | lol | 14:36 |
| chille | well, now i have installed the becomeroot package, what the next step? | 14:37 |
| tontsa | xterm | 14:37 |
| tontsa | sudo gainroot | 14:37 |
| hugolp | chille: open the console and type sudo gainroot | 14:37 |
| snak | any other repositories i should know about? | 14:37 |
| chille | Okko: yes, application manager says openssh, openssh-client & openssh-server and i dont got dropbear in my list | 14:38 |
| alterego | There's a list of repositories in the maemo wiki | 14:38 |
| chille | hugolp: and what do i type when it asks for a root password? | 14:38 |
| alterego | openssh is better. | 14:38 |
| hugolp | chille: it shouldnt | 14:38 |
| tontsa | there seems to be diffrent openssh-packages in diffrent repos | 14:38 |
| Okko | chille: then your device works differently from mine, mine asked and is now installing | 14:38 |
| chille | hugolp: it does | 14:38 |
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| tontsa | i managed to install one that doesn't ask for root password | 14:38 |
| chille | Okko: okay ;o | 14:38 |
| Okko | I only have the default repos since the backup restore didn't restore the old ones.. | 14:39 |
| chille | hmm.. i can try reinstalling openssh | 14:39 |
| * mardi_ wonders if anyone installed Canola on 2008? | 14:40 | |
| chille | do i just have to install openssh, or do i need openssh-client openssh-server? | 14:40 |
| tontsa | depends on your needs | 14:40 |
| Bastich | i've got one quite provocative question, don't give me a kick for that, no offence but is it possible to install WM on nokia 800? | 14:40 |
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| tontsa | bastich, nope | 14:40 |
| chille | i need both and server and client, so i guess openssh is the choice :-) | 14:40 |
| chille | i just wondering if i need to install the server/client in any specific order | 14:41 |
| hugolp | Bastich: why would you do that? | 14:41 |
| tontsa | bastich, unless you get system developer status from microsoft and buy oem/etc. licenses | 14:41 |
| tontsa | and that just costs few hundred thousand | 14:41 |
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| Bastich | money's not a problem :)) | 14:41 |
| hugolp | Bastich: then invest on me | 14:42 |
| Bastich | you think you're worth it? :) | 14:42 |
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| chille | okay, so now i installed openssh, the only message i get after the nokia-crap-warning is "openssh sucessfully installed" :( | 14:42 |
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| hugolp | Bastich: yes | 14:43 |
| tontsa | chille, try disabling repos other than that has *.maemo.org or tableteer | 14:43 |
| snak | Bastich: i think you just commited blashpemy in the worst possible place to do it | 14:43 |
| Bastich | i was just worried about the software coverage | 14:43 |
| tontsa | also uninstall the openssh packages before that | 14:43 |
| * sp3000 does't see the :( in successfully installed | 14:43 | |
| chille | tontsa: okay | 14:43 |
| Okko | funny license terms they have for mnotify | 14:43 |
| Bastich | whatcha mean, snak? | 14:43 |
| snak | install WM instead xD | 14:43 |
| Okko | "USE OF THIS PRODUCT IN ANY MANNER THAT COMPLIES WITH THE MPEG-4 VISUAL STANDARD IS PROHIBITED" | 14:43 |
| Okko | lol, can't use mail notify app for that | 14:44 |
| alterego | Bastich, Windows Mobile is crap. | 14:44 |
| sxpert | don't even think of mentionning ogg/vorbis/theora :-) | 14:45 |
| alterego | It's not a full OS like maemo is .. | 14:45 |
| Bastich | i know, i humbly apologize for that, long live linux or gnu or whatever | 14:45 |
| tontsa | bastich, if you want to install both windows and linux, just get those Asus EeePCs | 14:45 |
| tontsa | they have linux in the bios-flash | 14:45 |
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| snak | lol Bastich, no ones slapping or pointing a rifle at you - no need for clutish fanatisism =] | 14:45 |
| chille | what version of openssh shall i use? i got 1:4.6p1-5.maemo3 | 14:45 |
| snak | cultish* | 14:45 |
| Bastich | all i want is some realiable e-reading, web browsing device with good software coverage | 14:46 |
| alterego | You can't really compare Windows Mobile to Maemo as they're very different. Windows Mobile is a PDA OS. Maemo is a full blown OS stack. | 14:46 |
| snak | N800 with OS2008 has that | 14:46 |
| alterego | And more. | 14:46 |
| tontsa | chille, that's the latest in *.maemo org. updated 20.12 | 14:46 |
| snak | i have that and its great | 14:46 |
| chille | tontsa: okay | 14:46 |
| alterego | Bastich, you keep mentioning "Software coverage" but you don't elaborate. | 14:46 |
| snak | so good, that i decided to some on here and try and figure out how to make my own programs | 14:46 |
| snak | come* | 14:46 |
| alterego | ruby-maemo ftw! | 14:47 |
| snak | and thats saying something | 14:47 |
| mardi_ | any tips/pointers to how I get Canola to install on N800/2008, even when Repos respond I get to ~2/3rds of install and fails with "corrupted" | 14:47 |
| Okko | mardi_: wait until maemo/nokia fixes their repos | 14:47 |
| snak | ruby-maemo | 14:47 |
| snak | i normally program in C or C++ | 14:48 |
| VRe | Okko: I hope somebody is working before next next wednesday :) | 14:49 |
| Okko | VRe: me too | 14:49 |
| alterego | ruby-maemo is > than C++ | 14:49 |
| Bastich | uh, yes, my mistake, you know, i'm a lil bit medically oriented, so i planned to use some medical utilities and software for looking up medical infos, like database of drugs and diagnoses and stuff like that | 14:49 |
| alterego | More productive .. | 14:49 |
| Okko | VRe: they do list team members on the user site, maybe we could call them :-) | 14:49 |
| Bastich | but those are only for pdas and wm | 14:50 |
| mardi_ | Thanks Okko | 14:50 |
| VRe | Bastich: You can run palm programs quite well in emulator | 14:50 |
| Bastich | but palm and pda is not the same, is it | 14:50 |
| Okko | mardi_: you could try to grab all the necessary packages (libs) from other sources but it would probably take all xmas | 14:51 |
| snak | alterego: i dont know ruby and im not really inspired to learn it | 14:51 |
| VRe | Bastich: yeah, but there is a lot of that stuff for palm | 14:51 |
| snak | besides, i dont know anyting about linux, thats probably a better place to start | 14:51 |
| Bastich | but what if palm will be obsolete in a coupla years, what then, there will be just apps for the hated WM ;) | 14:52 |
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| Okko | mardi_: http://blog.locationist.net/2007/12/21/something-fishy-going-on/ | 14:52 |
| Okko | mardi_: from maemo news | 14:52 |
| hugolp | Bastich: in a couple of years wm probably wont be a real choice | 14:52 |
| hugolp | Bastich: have you check what are the mobile OS more used? | 14:52 |
| alterego | Yeah, no one will use Windows Mobile except Windows .. | 14:52 |
| Okko | mardi_: see the last comment | 14:52 |
| alterego | ~Microsoft. | 14:52 |
| infobot | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." | 14:52 |
| hugolp | first one is Symbian, second Linux, third dont remember | 14:53 |
| VRe | Bastich: By then there will be maemo alternatives then too | 14:53 |
| Bastich | i hope so | 14:53 |
| hugolp | and next year Google's android is coming | 14:53 |
| yabbas|compilin | infobot :D | 14:53 |
| infobot | d is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure. | 14:53 |
| hugolp | Bastich: wm is not a good future choice as is a minoritary choice | 14:53 |
| Bastich | the future is a great place | 14:53 |
| VRe | Bastich: If I can run all the palm soft when needed and maemo stuff on top I (coming from palm) see a clear winner | 14:53 |
| hugolp | its only used a bit in US | 14:53 |
| pupnik | Tak: saw this? http://openpandora.ca/ | 14:54 |
| hugolp | in China Japan etc... its not even present | 14:54 |
| hugolp | and even in the US its not the first OS | 14:54 |
| snak | infobot: that was quite funny | 14:54 |
| pupnik | news flash: most things google tries are failures hugolp | 14:54 |
| hugolp | so WM is a risky choice | 14:54 |
| hugolp | pupnik: well see, I just say its coming | 14:55 |
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| pupnik | ok. :) | 14:55 |
| glass_ | android will take 2-5 years before it's anything | 14:55 |
| glass_ | as in marketshare | 14:55 |
| glass_ | all the companies in it have other soups as well | 14:55 |
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| pupnik | i agree. I am tired of people comparing real things to vaporware | 14:56 |
| Bastich | well, i like linux, is my fav to be honest, some time back i even installed a debian distro on a 33 mhz machine, would have never thought it's possible to get multitasking on that | 14:56 |
| pupnik | and saying "vapor will do this! vapor will do that!" | 14:56 |
| glass_ | and openhandset alliance is like the 5th mobile linux alliance sammy & moto & others are in | 14:56 |
| hugolp | pupnik: I just said that WM is a minoritary option with lots of competence | 14:56 |
| hugolp | pupnik: would you be happy if I say I love nokia? | 14:56 |
| hugolp | XD | 14:56 |
| glass_ | wm is fine as far as sw goes, if you like the os itself | 14:57 |
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| glass_ | i don't like to use wm devices, but theres lots of apps | 14:57 |
| glass_ | so it being minority isn't an issue in that sense | 14:58 |
| yabbas|compilin | right, can anyone help me compile kernel modules | 14:58 |
| * yabbas|compilin doesn't seem to be having much luck here | 14:58 | |
| glass_ | it's sdk's arent total shit for app developing | 14:58 |
| glass_ | unlike symbians | 14:58 |
| hugolp | I was surprised to see symbian was so popular in china and Japan as well | 14:59 |
| hugolp | but its by difference the mobile OS used in the world | 14:59 |
| hugolp | and WM was not even present in china and Japan, was very very little in Europe and was the second or the third in US | 15:00 |
| Bastich | i completely forgot, does n800 have gps? | 15:00 |
| hugolp | Bastich: not build in | 15:00 |
| Bastich | so that's the catch, n810 has | 15:00 |
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| hugolp | Bastich: build in gps dont work too goo | 15:00 |
| hugolp | d | 15:00 |
| hugolp | its better to have a external proper bluetooth gps | 15:01 |
| tontsa | well it kinda works if you are into waiting 3-5 minutes for fix | 15:01 |
| hugolp | and N800 can have two memory card when N810 only one | 15:01 |
| Bastich | you're saying that from your personall experience? | 15:01 |
| tontsa | and you never get more than 4 satellites | 15:01 |
| FunkyPenguin | is there a problem with installing canola2 on OS2007? i've been trying for over 24hrs now and keep getting a file corrupt error | 15:02 |
| yabbas|compilin | ~seen penguinbait | 15:02 |
| infobot | penguinbait <n=sage-@207.148.201.82> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17h 8m 32s ago, saying: 'Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!'. | 15:02 |
| Bastich | how much is an external gps? | 15:02 |
| alterego | Only cold fix., | 15:02 |
| alterego | Indoors .. | 15:02 |
| hugolp | Bastich: I got mine for 50 euros but im sure you can find cheaper | 15:02 |
| hugolp | its cheaper to get a gps + N800 than N810 | 15:03 |
| * sp3000 grumbles at people's sucky bug summaries | 15:03 | |
| tontsa | alterego, i've tested that gps outdoors, out in the open now in 3 diffrent days. always takes minimum 3 minutes for a fix | 15:03 |
| Bastich | yup, that's what i was just trying to figure out | 15:03 |
| sp3000 | "os2008 claimed sd cards corrupt but they work with os2007" != "SDHC Corruption bug back?" | 15:04 |
| Bastich | N800 seems to be a very good choice indeed, i'll probably go for it | 15:04 |
| sp3000 | "hidden leading dot files hidden, filename extensions too" != "Censorship" | 15:04 |
| * sp3000 flails desperately at something | 15:04 | |
| snak | Bastich: that was my conclusion 1 months ago | 15:06 |
| snak | when i decided to buy the N800 | 15:06 |
| Bastich | i'm gonna order right away, we'll be colleageues soon :D | 15:07 |
| snak | O.o | 15:07 |
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| Bastich | i'm not familiar with that, what does that mean? | 15:07 |
| snak | ummm, good question | 15:08 |
| sp3000 | looks like a raised eyebrow | 15:08 |
| Bastich | dragster, aye? | 15:08 |
| yabbas|compilin | ^_^ | 15:08 |
| sp3000 | >_< | 15:08 |
| hugolp | http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/007/12/nokia_n96_leaked.htm | 15:08 |
| snak | i geuss its a bit like that ^^ | 15:08 |
| yabbas|compilin | ¬_¬ | 15:08 |
| Bastich | O.o> | 15:08 |
| yabbas|compilin | Ò_Ó | 15:09 |
| pupnik | i hope pandora uses ITOS | 15:09 |
| snak | here, im getting confused | 15:10 |
| snak | maemo made OS2008 right? | 15:10 |
| snak | *silence ensues* i didnt know it was that noobie of question | 15:11 |
| snak | what is maemo | 15:12 |
| pupnik | see topic | 15:12 |
| pupnik | /lastlog code | 15:13 |
| hugolp | anyone here uses mobile mythtv? | 15:14 |
| hugolp | it doesnt run in the new OS2008 for me | 15:14 |
| snak | i still dont get it | 15:14 |
| snak | call me dum | 15:14 |
| hugolp | snak: what you dont get? | 15:14 |
| hahlo | wonder why that mozilla browser install is made so difficult | 15:14 |
| snak | the "development platform" bit | 15:15 |
| snak | i was under the impression it was a community of open source developers | 15:15 |
| hugolp | snak: yes | 15:17 |
| hugolp | and the platform is called maemo | 15:17 |
| snak | urrr | 15:17 |
| snak | right | 15:17 |
| yabbas|compilin | snak, read http://maemo.org/development/documentation/maemo-quick-start-guide.pdf | 15:18 |
| snak | quick start guide, ah - youre pointing me in the right direction, thank you sir | 15:18 |
| yabbas|compilin | np :) | 15:18 |
| Bastich | you know what's interesting there's no mention about the processor of N800 in the product specs, and it's just 320 mhz compared to 400 mhz of n810, so one more difference | 15:21 |
| yabbas|compilin | Bastich, they're the same processors TI OMAP2420 | 15:22 |
| yabbas|compilin | Bastich, selectable software clock - which means as of OS2008 N800 and N810 run the same speed (400MHz) | 15:23 |
| Bastich | oh, now i remember that i've read it somewhere, the higher speed comes with the firmware upgrade, true? | 15:24 |
| yabbas|compilin | yup | 15:24 |
| Bastich | great, n800 is still in the game :) | 15:24 |
| hugolp | yabbas|compilin: thats why OS2008 behaves so much better than OS2007 | 15:24 |
| hugolp | that makes sense | 15:24 |
| hugolp | I was wondering how they got N800 so much better with 2008 | 15:25 |
| yabbas|compilin | hugolp, yuss :) but it's also other stuff too | 15:25 |
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| lardman | "morning" | 15:25 |
| yabbas|compilin | "afternoon" | 15:25 |
| Bastich | has anyone tried to read comics on n800? | 15:26 |
| hugolp | yabbas|compilin: sure theres other work. Visually it has improved a lot as well | 15:26 |
| lardman | Bastich: I did a while back | 15:26 |
| yabbas|compilin | "read" comics? :) | 15:26 |
| Bastich | how was it? i was hoping to be able to do that with my new pda device | 15:26 |
| yabbas|compilin | is CBR available on the N800... *hmmm* | 15:26 |
| lardman | I used a program, whose name I'm trying to find now - it reads all sorts, pdfs included | 15:27 |
| Bastich | well, you always can unrar the cbr archive and view it as plain jpegs | 15:27 |
| lardman | evince | 15:27 |
| Bastich | lardman: i mean, was it comfortable enough, or pain in the arse? | 15:28 |
| lardman | large jpeg rendering was quite slow (in general), you had to scroll which was a pain rather than the app doing it for you, and the dpi is too high to easily read words | 15:28 |
| lardman | so not ideal | 15:28 |
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| Bastich | as is nothing :) | 15:29 |
| Bastich | see, that's where faster processor might come in handy | 15:29 |
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| snak | thats a fair point | 15:30 |
| lardman | optimised jpeg library would be good, and I head the image viewer is now faster so perhaps that's what's happened | 15:30 |
| lardman | s/head/hear | 15:30 |
| snak | how come i can read pdf's vertically in full screen mode | 15:30 |
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| snak | the A4 pages would fit the page better | 15:30 |
| snak | hell, adobe had rotate page button | 15:31 |
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| cbx33 | hi all | 15:31 |
| snak | image viewing is nice and fast, yeah | 15:32 |
| lardman | Bastich: http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2007/04/evince-now-available-in-extras.html, scroll down to the shared-mime-info package if Evince doesn't work for the cbr/cbz files | 15:32 |
| cbx33 | in the upgrade from os2008->1st edition, what breaks the app mnager...i did restore a backup | 15:32 |
| snak | i was looking at hi res photos from my camera | 15:32 |
| cbx33 | anyway to fix?? | 15:32 |
| lardman | cbx33: break as in it won't start up | 15:32 |
| lardman | ? | 15:32 |
| cbx33 | no....cant itstall from extras | 15:32 |
| cbx33 | and crashes a lot | 15:33 |
| cbx33 | i saw a post on a forum | 15:33 |
| lardman | I think the extras thing is on-going, check the ml | 15:33 |
| cbx33 | oh | 15:33 |
| cbx33 | i heard it was if you restored from a beta backup | 15:33 |
| lardman | poxy proxies I think | 15:33 |
| cbx33 | it says all my install files are corrupt | 15:34 |
| snak | lardman: can you rotate with that? | 15:34 |
| lardman | cbx33: oh, I don't know then, but just trying to download the files using a webbrowser is hit and miss | 15:34 |
| snak | the default pdf viewer cant rotate | 15:34 |
| lardman | snak: evince? | 15:34 |
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| cbx33 | ouch | 15:34 |
| cbx33 | ok | 15:34 |
| snak | yeah | 15:34 |
| lardman | snak: I think so, can't remember haven't re-installed it | 15:34 |
| snak | -.- | 15:35 |
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| lardman | I bet it's in extras too :) | 15:35 |
| snak | you mean, in the app manager? | 15:35 |
| cbx33 | nyone got any more info? | 15:35 |
| lardman | Any news on the discount codes? | 15:35 |
| cbx33 | i can't install anything extra from maemo at all | 15:35 |
| lardman | snak: yeah, but there are some problems with files from extras | 15:36 |
| snak | yeah, i cant see it in my app manager | 15:36 |
| snak | in fact, there isnt much there at all | 15:36 |
| cbx33 | snak red pill mode? | 15:36 |
| * snak pokes it with a stick | 15:37 | |
| lardman | Perhaps it's not there, might be in its own repo: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/evince/ | 15:37 |
| lardman | cbx33: Shouldn't need red pill to install a user app like that | 15:37 |
| snak | will that work with OS2008 being OS2007 | 15:37 |
| cbx33 | true | 15:37 |
| lardman | good point, didn't notice that | 15:37 |
| snak | cbx33: red pill mode sounded scarey | 15:37 |
| snak | when i read about it | 15:37 |
| snak | im still a newb so dont know what it does | 15:38 |
| cbx33 | gives you more access to isntall apps | 15:38 |
| lardman | snak: Allows you to see all the packages that are usually hidden from users | 15:38 |
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| snak | errr, so why isnt it on by default? | 15:38 |
| lardman | so people don't remove parts of the OS | 15:38 |
| fnordianslip | why can't we take both pills? the more the merrier. | 15:38 |
| lardman | and because it makes for a very cluttered app manager list, with confusing names, etc. | 15:38 |
| snak | well said fnordianslip | 15:38 |
| snak | oh, right, im not interested in uninstalling though - im interesting in more apps to do stuff | 15:39 |
| hugolp | snak: but usually aplication that dont show are system aplications | 15:39 |
| hugolp | or dependencies | 15:39 |
| hugolp | not really user aplication | 15:40 |
| hugolp | or at least common user aplication | 15:40 |
| snak | so i really should touch it until im ready then | 15:40 |
| Bastich | you know what would be funny? to run wine on n800 | 15:41 |
| hugolp | Bastich: about the comic reading | 15:41 |
| fnordianslip | amazing, more like | 15:41 |
| snak | so why is bomberman - which i see on the nokia site _AND_ on maemos download section - not in the app manager | 15:41 |
| hugolp | the N800/810 has the biggest and with more resolution screen between all the pdas/tablets/smartphone so its your best choice for that | 15:42 |
| hugolp | snak: because it might be in a repository that its not on your machine list | 15:42 |
| snak | Bastich: I hear someone got doom running fine, ive yet to check that out | 15:42 |
| hugolp | snak: Ive finished doom on the N800 | 15:42 |
| Bastich | :) | 15:42 |
| snak | oh oh, any good? | 15:42 |
| Bastich | good job | 15:42 |
| Bastich | congrats | 15:43 |
| hugolp | they are actually porting Quake but I havent been able to install it yet | 15:43 |
| snak | complete with sound fx? | 15:43 |
| hugolp | snak: of course | 15:43 |
| snak | awesomeness | 15:43 |
| Bastich | i've heard about a port of quake III to pdas, but they only get about 10 fps | 15:43 |
| Bastich | there's a video on u tube | 15:43 |
| snak | so hugolp, how do i add the repository for bomberman -.- | 15:44 |
| snak | so i can install it -.- | 15:44 |
| snak | and then find someones ass to kick at it =) | 15:44 |
| cbx33 | this is annoying | 15:44 |
| cbx33 | python2.5 won't install, ukmp won't install | 15:44 |
| cbx33 | nothing installs | 15:44 |
| cbx33 | GRRR | 15:44 |
| hugolp | snak: go to maemo and press the install button, and the repository will be added automatically | 15:45 |
| snak | why not cbx33? | 15:45 |
| cbx33 | I've no idea | 15:45 |
| cbx33 | lardman, what was this about proxies? | 15:45 |
| snak | hugolp: does that mean ill get to see any other programs in that repository? | 15:45 |
| cbx33 | I just get Unable to install <package> Installation file corrupted | 15:45 |
| hugolp | snak: yes | 15:45 |
| sp3000 | hmm | 15:46 |
| snak | hugolp: that actually explains alot. Cheers | 15:46 |
| cbx33 | if someone knows why, it's be greatly appreciated | 15:46 |
| sp3000 | can 2GB cards be SDHC? | 15:46 |
| astro76 | sp3000, don't believe so | 15:46 |
| astro76 | 4GB are available as both, however 4gb non-sdhc is not well supported I think | 15:46 |
| snak | use 2 lots of 2gB =) | 15:47 |
| * snak just got doom | 15:48 | |
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| Bastich | okay guys, it's been a pleasure talking to you, have a good day | 15:48 |
| snak | bye | 15:48 |
| snak | see you later | 15:48 |
| snak | perhaps | 15:48 |
| fnordianslip | cbx33: the repos are still hosed...many different symptoms for same problem | 15:48 |
| Bastich | right later | 15:48 |
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| cbx33 | still hosed?? | 15:49 |
| cbx33 | from what? | 15:49 |
| * sp3000 tries to guess if https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=System%20software mmc-and-usb "MMC and USB" means "issues relating to mmcs and issues relating to usb" or "issues relating to mmcs with usb" | 15:50 | |
| alterego | mmcs with USB? | 15:50 |
| alterego | Why would that be supported? | 15:51 |
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| sp3000 | "memory cards mounted via usb" is what's supported, there | 15:51 |
| lardman | cbx33: some of the armel files were missing, and an error message (html file) is sent instead of the file; though some people can download the files sometimes it looks like the error message is still cached | 15:52 |
| cbx33 | lardman, what can I do....anything? | 15:52 |
| lardman | that's what I read anyway | 15:52 |
| lardman | no, I don't think so | 15:53 |
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| cbx33 | so if it's cached | 15:53 |
| cbx33 | when will normal service resume? | 15:53 |
| Jaffa | when it's fixed | 15:53 |
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| Jaffa | I'm not sure it's entirely a cache issue, unless it's a caching proxy in front of *their* servers | 15:54 |
| cbx33 | sorry from what lardman said I thought it was fixed but the fact taht my n800 had cached an error page | 15:54 |
| cbx33 | meant it was still broken for me | 15:55 |
| cbx33 | but you're saying the cache is at maemo end | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | I'm confident that my wget is not doing any caching on this end | 15:55 |
| Jaffa | No, I don't know. I'm fairly certain it's not a cache between me and *.maemo.org | 15:56 |
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| snak | can the n800 connect to WPA2 points? | 15:56 |
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| astro76 | yes snak | 15:56 |
| snak | great, ty | 15:56 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 15:57 |
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| fnordianslip | mgedmin: tnx for the .profile hack for ssh-agent...working nicely now | 15:57 |
| cbx33 | so everyone is getting this problem? | 15:57 |
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| Jaffa | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2620 has the best info on this | 15:59 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 15:59 |
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| cbx33 | dang | 16:01 |
| cbx33 | so nothing yet to fix | 16:01 |
| cbx33 | suck! | 16:01 |
| cbx33 | hehehi upgraded, but now I can't install all my apps :p | 16:02 |
| fnordianslip | if a bug that i've voted for in bugzilla is subsequently marked as a duplicate and closed, does the vote get transferred to the duplicated bug? | 16:03 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 16:04 |
| cbx33 | not sure | 16:04 |
| fnordianslip | maybe i should raise some duplicates, vote for them and see what happens ;-) | 16:05 |
| cbx33 | :( - so much for a maemo christmas | 16:05 |
| cbx33 | hahahah | 16:05 |
| Jaffa | fnordianslip: no, I checked myself (I'd voted on one of the things I've just closed as a duplicate) | 16:07 |
| fnordianslip | maybe we should raise a bug against bugzilla | 16:07 |
| Jaffa | :) | 16:07 |
| sp3000 | fnordianslip: what happens when the dup resolution is wrong and reverted? | 16:07 |
| hugolp | fnordianslip: no, then if you want to vote again, you just open a duplicate vote it and when it gets closed, you have voted twice in the original | 16:07 |
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| fnordianslip | so your saying that it is correct as is? | 16:08 |
| hugolp | Im saying you have to look for another solution to that | 16:09 |
| sp3000 | I suppose additional votes could be set on the dup target, but that would be a bit unreliable in that people could run out of votes so that woudn't happen | 16:09 |
| fnordianslip | k. just curious. | 16:09 |
| sp3000 | transitive vote counting via dups might work out | 16:09 |
| sp3000 | (you'd probably want to maintain an actual number for each bug rather than recurse to places every time) | 16:11 |
| fnordianslip | do you mean that it should show a separate metric for total votes in all dupes? | 16:12 |
| sp3000 | the parenthetical was just a performance note | 16:12 |
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| sp3000 | whether it's shown separately is another matter | 16:13 |
| * yabbas kicks himself | 16:13 | |
| sp3000 | aww, pastebin.com broke | 16:14 |
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| sp3000 | hmm | 16:23 |
| sp3000 | do word suggestions not work in OS2008 xterm? | 16:23 |
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| fnordianslip | seems to have been disabled to prevent password compromising | 16:24 |
| Jaffa | Turned off in the latest release to solve the password problem | 16:24 |
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| sp3000 | mmh | 16:24 |
| fnordianslip | can we increase the shell history depth in busybox? | 16:25 |
| sp3000 | clearly some people's passwords lack in the punctuation department | 16:25 |
| db48x | it should just be turned off when the shell is set not to echo the input | 16:26 |
| cbx33 | sp3000, pastebin.ca | 16:27 |
| fnordianslip | sp3000: good point. suppose that would stop them being offered | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | db48x: indeed, but apparently that's quite tricky | 16:27 |
| sp3000 | cbx33: doesn't help if the content is on pastebin.com :) | 16:27 |
| cbx33 | sp3000, hehehe | 16:29 |
| cbx33 | nope | 16:29 |
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| snak | lol at doom | 16:32 |
| snak | it actually works pretty well | 16:32 |
| hugolp | snak: :) | 16:32 |
| snak | but omg it looks so retro now | 16:32 |
| snak | im looking for god mode cheats =) | 16:33 |
| hugolp | snak: you may want to check this http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/quetoo/ | 16:33 |
| snak | wow | 16:34 |
| snak | some people have been busy | 16:34 |
| snak | support multiplayer? | 16:35 |
| unique311 | Tak | 16:35 |
| snak | next thing you know, we'll be getting counter strike 1.6 on it | 16:35 |
| pupnik | what looks retro | 16:35 |
| unique311 | pupnik, who was working on gngeo? | 16:36 |
| pupnik | tak | 16:36 |
| unique311 | k | 16:36 |
| pupnik | looks neato, runs fast | 16:36 |
| unique311 | i see it in app manager.. | 16:36 |
| snak | doom looks retro | 16:36 |
| pupnik | will be a nice addition for ppl who like those fighting games | 16:36 |
| unique311 | so that mean he got it to work? | 16:36 |
| snak | i like all games | 16:36 |
| pupnik | oh doom.. heh. well pipeline's quake ports are the best imo | 16:36 |
| pupnik | yeah he did - with sound and high fps | 16:36 |
| unique311 | good stuff | 16:36 |
| hugolp | pupnik: the installer of quake didnt work for me | 16:37 |
| hugolp | havent look into it more | 16:37 |
| snak | :[ | 16:38 |
| snak | well, if it did - id only be whining that theres no keyboard and mouse | 16:39 |
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| hugolp | snak: you can have bluetooth keyboard and mouse... and play quake in the bus with them | 16:41 |
| hugolp | XD | 16:41 |
| snak | omg xD | 16:42 |
| * mgedmin ponders VR helmets | 16:42 | |
| snak | mgedmin: i'd be the first to buy one if you made one | 16:42 |
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| cbx33 | heheh | 16:43 |
| fnordianslip | does busybox use .ashrc if present, and can i increase the history depth in it? | 16:43 |
| snak | i cant help but think, doesnt that mean both the keyboard and the mouse would be larger than the pc+monitor combined | 16:43 |
| ccooke | so... repos still broken? | 16:43 |
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| fnordianslip | don't you need 2 N800s for 3D ? | 16:46 |
| snak | doom is 3d? | 16:46 |
| fnordianslip | er ... | 16:46 |
| sp3000 | ccooke: looks like, yeah | 16:47 |
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| pupnik | Cookie, cookie lend me your comb | 16:49 |
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| sp3000 | db48x: hm, if you're doing curses, does that count as echoing? | 16:51 |
| * sp3000 would guesstimate t doesn't, but as usual knows nothig | 16:51 | |
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| timelyx | sp3000: how are the repositories doing? | 16:58 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: badly | 16:58 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: i think i have some portion of repository.maemo.org here: | 16:58 |
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| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/ | 16:59 |
| sp3000 | fast, but roughtly a fifth of the files persistently give you the error page with 200 OK | 16:59 |
| timelyx | heh | 16:59 |
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| snak | what was wrong with the repositories anyway? | 17:00 |
| timelyx | snak: too many users | 17:00 |
| sp3000 | well, previously they were just slow and a random part in the chain would time out on most attempts | 17:00 |
| timelyx | and what seems to be a misconfigured mirror | 17:00 |
| snak | erk :/ | 17:01 |
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| timelyx | hrm, looks like i'm missing all the good stuff | 17:04 |
| alterego | We need more mirrors. | 17:04 |
| alterego | Well, we need mirrors :) | 17:05 |
| timelyx | nah, the CDN just need to work correctly :) | 17:05 |
| timelyx | sp3000: is there an easy way to search for a movie on tv by name? | 17:05 |
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| alterego | CDN? | 17:05 |
| sp3000 | content delivery network, e.g. akamai | 17:05 |
| alterego | Oh | 17:06 |
| steri | that timeless mirrors is missing packages.gz :/ | 17:07 |
| alterego | I still think mirrors are a good idea .. | 17:07 |
| timelyx | steri: which path? | 17:08 |
| * shackan ponders the possibility of a distributed mirror via bittorrent | 17:08 | |
| steri | http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/ | 17:08 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: hm, dunno | 17:08 |
| steri | my n800 says at it doesn't have Packages.gz file | 17:08 |
| steri | and it's not there | 17:08 |
| alterego | shackan, would be nice if you could integrate that into the package manager itself :) | 17:08 |
| steri | and non-free also | 17:09 |
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| timelyx | steri: yeah, sorry, gimme a few | 17:09 |
| steri | sure | 17:09 |
| timelyx | i'm not very used to building mirrors w/ killing things :) | 17:09 |
| shackan | alterego: yeah, but 1) the protocol isn't exactly intended for that and 2) if it's only a temporary workaround it doesn't make sense to invest a lot of time implementing it | 17:10 |
| steri | wget -r repository.maemo.org :D | 17:10 |
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| timelyx | steri: that doesn't work, the repository names start out unlisted | 17:10 |
| timelyx | and it isn't very polite :) | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | :) | 17:10 |
| steri | I just want my canola2 installed :P | 17:11 |
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| cbx33 | steri, running into the problem of repo madness? | 17:11 |
| timelyx | ok, the files you want are coming through, but i don't know about order, so it'll probably be a few minutes | 17:11 |
| timelyx | cbx33: atm repository is running very quickly for me | 17:11 |
| cbx33 | timelyx, really? | 17:12 |
| steri | cbx33: yea, installation file corrupted | 17:12 |
| cbx33 | lemme try | 17:12 |
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| timelyx | i'm getting >100K/s for 5 quasi concurrent connections | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: direct, or through the CDN? | 17:13 |
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| alterego | Any status update of the device program codes? | 17:13 |
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| timelyx | um, probably cdn | 17:13 |
| timelyx | steri: try again | 17:13 |
| timelyx | i think i have those | 17:13 |
| * cbx33 is trying now | 17:14 | |
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| cbx33 | python2.5 | 17:14 |
| cbx33 | downloaded...nope corrupt | 17:14 |
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| timelyx | which repository is that? :) | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | GET -Ue http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/chinook/non-free/binary-armel/Packages.gz?foo=$RANDOM should avoid any intermediate proxies and is returning 20 bytes for me. | 17:14 |
| timelyx | oh, yeah | 17:14 |
| timelyx | those lengths are bogus | 17:15 |
| timelyx | how rude | 17:15 |
| cbx33 | anything that isn't mokia | 17:15 |
| cbx33 | nokia | 17:15 |
| steri | cbx33: I have the same with original maemo repos but afaik mirror cant help if .deb is broken | 17:15 |
| timelyx | repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/sardine/non-free/binary-i386/Release | 17:15 |
| timelyx | survived | 17:15 |
| steri | timelyx: when you have made that copy? | 17:15 |
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| timelyx | steri: the copy was started thursday or so and is still incomplete | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | timelyx: do you know if ferenc et al are working on it? presumably they've gone on holiday, but I saw a comment in Bugzilla which ferenc made last night | 17:16 |
| steri | timelyx: oh :o | 17:16 |
| cbx33 | taking longer to download this time....nope corrupt again | 17:16 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: they claimed someone from an internal group was supposed to be looking on it | 17:16 |
| timelyx | cbx33: which path? | 17:16 |
| cbx33 | not sure....lemme see | 17:16 |
| * timelyx tries to figure out how to find corrupt files | 17:16 | |
| steri | http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/non-free/binary-armel/ is missing that packet too | 17:17 |
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| cbx33 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/python2.5/ | 17:19 |
| cbx33 | i believe that's where it as coming from | 17:19 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: isn't working? | 17:20 |
| timelyx | [sanjay]$ GET -Ue repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/2.0/non-free/binary-i386/Packages?foo=AFSADA | 17:20 |
| timelyx | Content-Length: 0 | 17:20 |
| timelyx | cbx33: unfortunately it looks like extras is still running | 17:21 |
| timelyx | i think i have extras-devel :) | 17:21 |
| * timelyx sighs | 17:21 | |
| timelyx | actually, the main reason i didn't do a more top level wget is that i was expecting dreamhost to kill my long running process | 17:21 |
| timelyx | and then i'd have no idea how to resume | 17:21 |
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| astro76 | dreamhost only cares about actual cpu usage, that shouldn't be a problem | 17:23 |
| cbx33 | timelyx, what doyou mean unfortunately....? | 17:23 |
| astro76 | I rsync'd tldp.org which is 2 GB | 17:23 |
| timelyx | cbx33: as in not finished/populated :( | 17:24 |
| timelyx | i've tried using svn to checkout things on dreamhost, and i get killed | 17:24 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 17:24 |
| astro76 | hm | 17:24 |
| cbx33 | ko | 17:24 |
| cbx33 | timelyx, i'll wait then | 17:25 |
| timelyx | i'm going out for an hour, i'll look back in later | 17:26 |
| cbx33 | thanks timelyx | 17:27 |
| pupnik | Tripath! | 17:28 |
| steri | oh ffs now real repos are missing that Packages.gz | 17:29 |
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| cbx33 | heheh | 17:29 |
| steri | hmmm did they fix something because now they are back :P | 17:31 |
| cbx33 | steri, i just think it's a very unreliable time at the moment | 17:31 |
| steri | yea "installation file corrupted", I just wish at they have time to fix those before xmass | 17:32 |
| cbx33 | i don't get it though - i can download on my desktop | 17:32 |
| cbx33 | and it seems like there is a 1.9Mb file | 17:32 |
| cbx33 | can i just copy across and install that way? | 17:32 |
| steri | if the .dep is broken it doesn't help | 17:33 |
| cbx33 | well just have to grab all the deps too | 17:33 |
| steri | .deb ofcourse :) tell me if you succeed and I wanna try it too :P | 17:34 |
| wolf08 | are you on a shared hositing account on dreamhost? | 17:34 |
| cbx33 | .deb doesn't seem broken | 17:36 |
| cbx33 | a dpkg -c showed all files it contains | 17:37 |
| cbx33 | just trying to copy across now | 17:37 |
| snak | whats the difference between a .deb and a .install | 17:37 |
| cbx33 | .install tells app manager where to go to get the .deb | 17:37 |
| cbx33 | ie which repository to add | 17:37 |
| snak | oh, which means the .install is better cause then i get a huge ass repository to download apps | 17:38 |
| halley | An .install is a script that mentions a repo to be added to sources.list | 17:38 |
| snak | right? | 17:38 |
| cbx33 | hmmm not necessarily | 17:39 |
| snak | :S | 17:39 |
| cbx33 | well in some ways I guess | 17:39 |
| cbx33 | it just means that | 17:39 |
| cbx33 | someone can post a single file which will not only give you the file you want, but will add the repo so that if that file requires deps that are not in the standard repos they get pulled too | 17:40 |
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| snak | im geussing that, if ever the app was updated - because i have the repositary in my app manager, i get a notification of update | 17:41 |
| snak | and if i just used the .deb i wouldnt get that | 17:42 |
| snak | cause (in this case) i dont have the repository address | 17:42 |
| cbx33 | steri, it seems to work | 17:42 |
| cbx33 | it threw up an error about some deps | 17:42 |
| cbx33 | because I didn't have those packages installed, but it certainly didn't say that the package was corrupt | 17:42 |
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| snak | am i right or just pissing in the wind? | 17:45 |
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| pupnik | every time you apt-get update, god kills a kitten | 17:45 |
| snak | youre scaring me | 17:46 |
| halley | pupnik, then I usually get a three-for-one deal, as it hangs and dupes source entries and fixes itself. | 17:46 |
| ccooke | damn | 17:46 |
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| snak | bah | 17:46 |
| * snak goes back to noob corner | 17:47 | |
| ccooke | how do I install more stuff than will fit in the 256M rootfs? Is there any 'official' way? | 17:47 |
| cbx33 | snak yes that should be right | 17:47 |
| pupnik | you can install a multi-boot loader and install filesystem to the mmc /sd card coo | 17:47 |
| snak | i hear you can boot off the mmc;s | 17:47 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, no where did he say about apt-get update :p | 17:48 |
| snak | cbx33: thanks | 17:48 |
| unique311 | i cant get this neogeo emu to work | 17:48 |
| cbx33 | pupnik, I've yet to try that | 17:48 |
| astro76 | ccooke, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ | 17:48 |
| cbx33 | but running a usb keyboard off it was fun | 17:48 |
| cbx33 | and you can plug in usb sticks too | 17:48 |
| unique311 | anyone got it to work? with xmaeme | 17:48 |
| cbx33 | astro76, that'll be a christmas project I think | 17:49 |
| cbx33 | i think when i put my n800 into usb host mode it eats battery life - even with nothing plugged in | 17:50 |
| pupnik | unique311: haven't tried it soryr | 17:50 |
| cbx33 | I'll be happy if I just get working repos for christmas | 17:50 |
| cbx33 | :p | 17:50 |
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| unique311 | just keep on getting unable to open rom | 17:52 |
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| snak | bwahahahahha i own at bomberman | 17:53 |
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| pupnik | ceiling cat watches unique311 | 17:55 |
| michele | so where should I get the debs from if r.m.o is broken? | 17:56 |
| michele | I am trying to install chinook sdk | 17:56 |
| Andy80 | hi michele :) | 17:58 |
| unique311 | pupnik, i don't understand. | 17:58 |
| michele | ciao Andy80 | 17:58 |
| pupnik | http://www.ceilingcat.com/ | 17:58 |
| cbx33 | michele, got a good howto for it? | 17:59 |
| michele | cbx33: I am following the INSTALL.txt file | 17:59 |
| cbx33 | oh ok | 17:59 |
| cbx33 | if you get stuck | 17:59 |
| cbx33 | http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=453 | 17:59 |
| michele | I am stuck | 17:59 |
| cbx33 | read that see if it helps | 17:59 |
| michele | because the packages are broken | 17:59 |
| cbx33 | ahh yes | 17:59 |
| michele | as the topic says | 17:59 |
| cbx33 | well you're stuck | 17:59 |
| michele | are there other repositories available? | 18:00 |
| unique311 | pupnik, i shot that cat a while back. | 18:00 |
| snak | have you guys no mercy? | 18:00 |
| snak | killing kittens, shooting cats | 18:01 |
| unique311 | 9 lives | 18:01 |
| dragorn | michele: i don't know of any offhand | 18:01 |
| unique311 | more than enough to go around | 18:01 |
| unique311 | unless 8 was already used. | 18:01 |
| pupnik | it's vacation time here snak. no problems are taken seriously | 18:01 |
| unique311 | then its just shitty luck | 18:01 |
| snak | heh pupnik, its my vacation too | 18:02 |
| snak | one mans job is another mans vacation | 18:02 |
| michele | hm are you guys really shooting cats? | 18:02 |
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| unique311 | snak, my mother tells me that in haiti cats are a delicacy | 18:03 |
| pupnik | it's vacation time michele | 18:03 |
| snak | oh youre mean :( | 18:04 |
| unique311 | i'm mean....im not the one eating kitties. | 18:04 |
| pupnik | my aunt has a hobby farm and the cats overbreed. they need to be drowneded | 18:04 |
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| snak | youre actually kidding | 18:05 |
| snak | me | 18:05 |
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| unique311 | i'm kidding about killing cats.... | 18:05 |
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| unique311 | but they do eat cats in haiti. | 18:05 |
| unique311 | wad | 18:05 |
| unique311 | sad | 18:05 |
| snak | :( | 18:05 |
| tontsa | animal is an animal | 18:05 |
| unique311 | i think in japan, dogs are favored | 18:06 |
| unique311 | rumored | 18:06 |
| halley | Er, no, Japan doesn't eat dogs or cats. | 18:06 |
| snak | to eat or to keep? | 18:06 |
| tontsa | countries don't eat generally anything, but individuals might | 18:06 |
| halley | Rural China perhaps. Decades ago. | 18:06 |
| unique311 | ok | 18:06 |
| tontsa | cats and dogs are still sold in south east asian markets | 18:07 |
| snak | countries eat freedom | 18:07 |
| pupnik | well said | 18:07 |
| * snak bows | 18:07 | |
| snak | so, do they eat or keep them in japan? | 18:08 |
| halley | keep | 18:08 |
| snak | im trying to get which one you meant unique311 | 18:08 |
| unique311 | i think eel had to be the strangest animal i ate. | 18:08 |
| unique311 | they eat. | 18:08 |
| halley | Eel is good. | 18:08 |
| snak | wrong nick | 18:08 |
| unique311 | very | 18:08 |
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| halley | Rattlesnake is dryer but similar. | 18:09 |
| Bastich | any garnet VM users here? | 18:09 |
| snak | they eat dogs? thats plain wierd | 18:09 |
| halley | snak, in Japan, they do not. | 18:09 |
| unique311 | snak, halley corrected me | 18:09 |
| halley | Try to keep up. | 18:09 |
| snak | urg, sorry :( | 18:10 |
| unique311 | halley i'm not sure about that...when i was in japan, the rumors were strong on the base. | 18:10 |
| halley | The base? US Military? As if they'd have a clue. | 18:10 |
| unique311 | they pratically run the damn country | 18:11 |
| * halley rolls his eyes. | 18:11 | |
| unique311 | lol | 18:11 |
| snak | eh? the US runs Japan? | 18:11 |
| snak | thats news to me | 18:11 |
| halley | It might seem that way from the weird perspective that a soldier would have while ON base. | 18:11 |
| unique311 | while on base | 18:11 |
| pupnik | Hillary will promise a ceiling cat in every house. | 18:12 |
| halley | It's like thinking your high school teacher is an important leader in the city government. | 18:12 |
| snak | ceiling cat is cute | 18:12 |
| dragorn | So heres something actually on topic (heh): If I do an apt-get source and dpkg-buildpkg -rfakeroot, I get a package the maemo installer hates but command line dpkg handles fine. Is there an easy way to resolve that while preserving dpkg-buildpkg making my life easy for me? | 18:12 |
| Bastich | please, does sb have experience with garnet? does it slow down the tablet very much? | 18:13 |
| thefool | but but she was always petitioning... | 18:13 |
| halley | Bastich, why don't you try it and report back. | 18:13 |
| snak | Bastich doesnt have one | 18:13 |
| snak | thats why hes asking | 18:13 |
| * snak is a psykik | 18:14 | |
| Bastich | yes, that's right i dont have one | 18:14 |
| thefool | tell you what if you have a .install link handy I will check it out and get back to you | 18:14 |
| snak | sounds like a plan | 18:14 |
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| Bastich | u mean install for garnet? | 18:15 |
| thefool | yea | 18:15 |
| Bastich | http://www.access-company.com/cgi/gvm_nseries.cgi?action=download_form&which=N800 | 18:15 |
| Bastich | not exactly an install link | 18:15 |
| Bastich | but damn close | 18:15 |
| thefool | bah...making me register... | 18:16 |
| snak | Why did GarnetVM do that? | 18:16 |
| thefool | lol | 18:16 |
| snak | registeration are BIG turn offs | 18:16 |
| thefool | and they EMAIL you the install link | 18:17 |
| snak | yeah, insert credit card number first please | 18:17 |
| thefool | I think there are still a lot of people that don't like the idea of giving away an emulator, and those people setup the install process | 18:18 |
| Bastich | snak: as for the credit card #, have u seen bender's big score? | 18:18 |
| snak | why not just give away an emulator? | 18:18 |
| snak | benders big score? | 18:19 |
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| snak | i dont watch fuurama | 18:19 |
| thefool | because it is their OS that they worked so hard on...and palm is not exactly known for it oss nature | 18:19 |
| Bastich | pity, i couldn't stop laughing all the time | 18:20 |
| snak | i might give it a try | 18:20 |
| pupnik | bender should not be on tv | 18:20 |
| thefool | BAH, after all this they don't even have a repo just a .deb file! | 18:20 |
| snak | thefool: that mystefies me, lots of apps exist already to do the things you'd install garnetVM for | 18:21 |
| snak | they are narrowing thier audience - and thus narrowing the reason and importance of thier own existance!! | 18:21 |
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| pupnik | ick bin ein jelly donut | 18:21 |
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| snak | i mean, why program software no ones going to use? | 18:22 |
| dick-richardson | to learn | 18:23 |
| snak | but if its a company | 18:23 |
| dick-richardson | to increase corporate spending | 18:23 |
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| snak | -_- | 18:23 |
| dick-richardson | lol..sorry, came into the conversation late | 18:24 |
| Bastich | i already mentioned pdbs? i could justl install isilo for palm os without having to look for some other software | 18:24 |
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| snak | pdbs? | 18:24 |
| Bastich | and the same goes for just any kind of more renonwned software, you're much likely to find a port under palm os than under maemo | 18:24 |
| dick-richardson | that's gotta be the next step...is it possible to run palmos apps while hiding the virtualization layer? Make them look native? | 18:25 |
| snak | hmmm, i can help but feel that defeats the point of maemo a bit | 18:25 |
| thefool | Bastich: it might run grea, but it will still look ugly | 18:25 |
| thefool | s/grea/great | 18:25 |
| snak | ive never used palm os | 18:26 |
| thefool | my only real incentive to install it is that rapier is laggy as heck and I want a better bible app. There are some really nice ones for palm | 18:26 |
| Bastich | btw if the software listed on maemo.org is everything what you can have, you have to be pretty modest to make do just with that | 18:26 |
| thefool | snak: I really think it was a great OS...it has deteriorated a lot in the last few years though | 18:27 |
| unique311 | halley sent you a PM. | 18:28 |
| unique311 | snak, you also. | 18:28 |
| snak | unique311: got pm but cant reply, cheers for the head up | 18:28 |
| unique311 | k | 18:28 |
| Bastich | on the front side of n810, is that a metalic finish or is that just plastic? | 18:28 |
| snak | everything starts off good and then goes bad | 18:29 |
| thefool | hey Bastich, you got any small palm apps I can install | 18:29 |
| halley | It's metal with a bluish plastic sealing layer. | 18:29 |
| snak | Bastich: i geuss im pretty modest | 18:29 |
| Bastich | could you try isilo, ill hand u a link | 18:29 |
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| thefool | I already got a nasty little error about connecting to GVM I want to make sure this thing actually works | 18:30 |
| snak | although admittedly i havent had it all that long to fully mess with the thing i want to do. But i havent found something i want to do and cant (yet) | 18:30 |
| Bastich | http://www.isilo.com/download/dl/iSilo500PalmOSSetup.exe | 18:31 |
| thefool | ack, what do I do with that lol | 18:31 |
| thefool | I meant a .pdb or something | 18:31 |
| thefool | aw well I will google a bit, I feel like booting into windows for this | 18:32 |
| snak | what the heck does isilio do? | 18:32 |
| snak | is that an emulator? | 18:32 |
| Bastich | no, it's a pdb reader | 18:32 |
| pupnik | somebody should port Dillo to hildon | 18:33 |
| snak | a protien data bank? | 18:33 |
| Bastich | unfortunately i don't have pdb files smaller than 50 megs | 18:33 |
| unique311 | thefool, garnet vm works. Just has lots of bugs. | 18:34 |
| snak | oh right | 18:34 |
| unique311 | certain apps won't run | 18:34 |
| unique311 | install | 18:34 |
| snak | cant you get a pdb to pdf convertor or something | 18:34 |
| snak | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=pdb+to+pdf+convertor&btnG=Google+Search&meta= | 18:34 |
| thefool | oooh, I just had it lick up my tablet...nasty little VM | 18:35 |
| snak | look, top link and everything | 18:35 |
| thefool | s/lick/lock | 18:35 |
| thefool | hmm I never had it hard lockbefore, how do I restart? | 18:35 |
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| Bastich | i don't know, would you fancy converting a 80 mb pdb file? | 18:36 |
| Bastich | i wouldn't | 18:36 |
| snak | huh? on my pc, sure | 18:37 |
| snak | what do you have? an amstrad? | 18:37 |
| thefool | I can't believe they released this crap. Something that locks up before even using it...thats like pre-alpha | 18:37 |
| Bastich | no i'm the stonehenge operator | 18:38 |
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| Bastich | i should make some upgrade, i know | 18:38 |
| thefool | um seriously how do I do a hard reset on the 770 | 18:38 |
| thefool | ? | 18:39 |
| snak | -.- | 18:39 |
| dragorn | thefool: Pull the battery? | 18:39 |
| Bastich | battery out and in again? | 18:39 |
| Bastich | maybe | 18:39 |
| thefool | brutal but ok | 18:39 |
| snak | but theres quite a few apps there that will do the job, some of them batches so you could do the whole lot overnight - even on an amstrad | 18:39 |
| dragorn | That's usually how I do it, it's not hard to lock it up to where the power button doesn't work | 18:39 |
| dragorn | if the hw watchdog doesn't trip in 30 seconds or so, pull the battery | 18:39 |
| thefool | garnetvm did that for me just fine... | 18:40 |
| thefool | never managed to lick it up before | 18:40 |
| snak | thefool: flash it again | 18:40 |
| timelyx | steri: the benefit of repositories is indeed the update notices | 18:40 |
| Bastich | man, i'm buying it to make my life less complicated, not the reverse | 18:40 |
| thefool | snak: let me kick you | 18:40 |
| thefool | lol | 18:41 |
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| snak | :( | 18:41 |
| * pupnik shoots zingers with a heavy duty rubber-band | 18:41 | |
| snak | its what i would do -.- | 18:41 |
| thefool | because it crashed once? | 18:41 |
| thefool | are you serious? | 18:41 |
| snak | errr, if it locked up cause of dodgey software | 18:41 |
| snak | why notm it wouldnt do any harm | 18:42 |
| thefool | CRAP I can't even restart it | 18:42 |
| timelyx | steri: note that you probably only get notices if you check in application manager | 18:42 |
| thefool | I am just seeing 2 lines down the screen | 18:42 |
| dragorn | that sounds more suspect | 18:42 |
| snak | i hope a message hasnt appeared saying "Should have went with PalmOS you open source nerd" | 18:43 |
| dragorn | I didn't even know they made a garnet for the 770 | 18:43 |
| thefool | come on! this sucks | 18:43 |
| thefool | so I guess I do have to reflash... I officially hate palm | 18:43 |
| snak | erk, that didnt turn out well :( | 18:44 |
| thefool | ok so BastichI would not worry about Garnet slowing down as much as screwing up your tablet | 18:44 |
| thefool | do you know how long it took me to get that far in marbles... | 18:45 |
| snak | my mum always said - you can do it once, you can do it again | 18:46 |
| Bastich | thefool: thank you, i owe you one | 18:46 |
| thefool | lol | 18:46 |
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| thefool | mind sending me a link to the linux flashing utility + 2007HE rom? | 18:47 |
| snak | im sure you could ask around for a marbles savegame ^_^ | 18:47 |
| L0cutus | what are the limits for a big file for ext2 ? | 18:48 |
| L0cutus | 2gb or more ? | 18:48 |
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| maddler | evening all... | 18:48 |
| thefool | evening | 18:49 |
| L0cutus | i've tried to copy an ISO (3.5GB to an sdhc (6gb) via usb cable connected to a pc | 18:49 |
| L0cutus | ciao maddler | 18:49 |
| maddler | ciao bello! :) | 18:49 |
| L0cutus | but after i've umount and than unplug the cable, my iso is gone... | 18:49 |
| astro76 | L0cutus, the cards use fat | 18:49 |
| L0cutus | i have formatted to ext2 | 18:50 |
| astro76 | ah | 18:50 |
| Bastich | aaah, if i had the money i would go for htc shift | 18:51 |
| L0cutus | i think it is a OS limit for 2gb... | 18:51 |
| L0cutus | even if ext2 formatted | 18:51 |
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| snak | Bastich: still, laptops are big and bulky. Its handhelds for me :) | 18:52 |
| L0cutus | if i try to 'ls' the dir where i have put my iso, receive the message: "ls: /media/mmc2/SUNSHINE.iso: value too large defined data type | 18:52 |
| Bastich | true it's a little bit bulkier, but imagine 7 days of operation in the pda mode | 18:53 |
| L0cutus | very strange | 18:53 |
| snak | but i'd have to fork it out my bag every time i want to use it | 18:53 |
| snak | as opposed to carrying around an extra battery | 18:54 |
| snak | granted not exactly 7 days | 18:54 |
| Bastich | :) i get your point | 18:54 |
| pupnik | car battery is good | 18:54 |
| snak | im sure -.- | 18:54 |
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| Bastich | car battery in the backpack and you're fine for a coupla months | 18:55 |
| Bastich | and how much money you'd save on gym admission | 18:56 |
| pupnik | i did this on a frame backpack for a while | 18:56 |
| pupnik | but even a tiny amount of battery acid will eat holes in nylon | 18:56 |
| snak | uuhh, do you have scars on your back? | 18:56 |
| pupnik | no | 18:56 |
| snak | lucky | 18:57 |
| Dicer42 | Hi. Can someone point me to the file where the passkeys for wifi are stored in maemo? | 18:57 |
| Bastich | just but a leaden slab on your back and you won't have to worry about the acid | 18:57 |
| Dicer42 | been looking for a while but cant find them | 18:57 |
| snak | passkeys for wifi? | 18:58 |
| Dicer42 | wpa2 passkey for example | 18:58 |
| snak | doesnt it depend on the router ur connecting to | 18:58 |
| Dicer42 | or key or password or whatever you want to call them :-) | 18:58 |
| Dicer42 | yeah, but you can safe them, right? | 18:58 |
| shackan | Dicer42: they're in the gconf registry somewhere | 18:59 |
| Dicer42 | And I want to upgrade from my 2006os (n770) to 2008 without backing up and restoring | 18:59 |
| snak | theres hard news for you | 18:59 |
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| snak | if im not mistaken - i thaught the 770 doesnt get os2008 | 19:00 |
| Dicer42 | I doesnt. I just got my n800 | 19:00 |
| Dicer42 | The touchscreen was getting really bad so it was about time anyway | 19:01 |
| troozers | howdo gurus (from my lovely n810 whilst stuck in an airport) | 19:01 |
| Dicer42 | and with 2088 out it wasnt a tough decision :-) | 19:01 |
| snak | heh, i normally wait a month or too after the release of an OS to pan out the bugs | 19:01 |
| troozers | anyone else having issue installing apps such as canola? | 19:02 |
| pupnik | aha THERE's the chaser clip... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaXHKIFiTzo | 19:02 |
| snak | damn, im sure thats the 3rd time ive heard that today troozers | 19:02 |
| Dicer42 | I normally would wait too. But why get everything over from 2006 to 2007 and in a month same procedure again | 19:03 |
| troozers | yeah, seems to be an issue at the moment | 19:03 |
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| snak | good thinking - but im afraid i dont know, i thaught i read an issue with updating to os2008 and restoring your data so you might want to quickly check the blogs | 19:04 |
| snak | i didnt restore mine | 19:04 |
| Dicer42 | I didnt restore either. thats why I asked for the storage location of the wifi keys. Thats the only thing I really need. Don't want to enter them again. There are quite a lot of accesspoints I have access too... | 19:06 |
| snak | share them with me :D | 19:06 |
| Dicer42 | Tell me where to find them first ;-) | 19:06 |
| Dicer42 | gconf is rather large | 19:06 |
| snak | ouch | 19:07 |
| snak | im sorry, i dont know | 19:07 |
| snak | im sure someone here knows though | 19:07 |
| Dicer42 | I'm already digging into it. No luck so far though | 19:08 |
| cbx33 | snak, Dicer42, I did restore, but snak you're still having issues right? | 19:08 |
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| snak | i am? what with? | 19:08 |
| fnordianslip | i think there was a post on itT about wifi keys | 19:09 |
| cbx33 | oh....i thoguht you were with the repos? | 19:09 |
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| snak | oh yeah theres one of two things | 19:10 |
| snak | some apps arent showing up, some are corrupted and some missing components | 19:10 |
| cbx33 | i see | 19:10 |
| truent | hey i installed scratchbox and maemo sdk (although toward the end the sdk installed said there were a few packages that were size mismatched or something).. but after all that, and exporting the display,.. i cant get this step done.. because the script isnt there.. | 19:10 |
| truent | After the Xephyr server is running on the Linux host, you can start | 19:10 |
| truent | the Hildon Application Framework with the following command: | 19:10 |
| truent | [sbox-CHINOOK_X86:~] > af-sb-init.sh start | 19:10 |
| truent | it said to try apt-get update... or --fix-missing | 19:12 |
| Bastich | is there some way to view ppt files on n800? | 19:13 |
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| hugolp | Bastich: koffice has just been ported | 19:16 |
| Bastich | hugolp: thanks | 19:16 |
| timelyx | google can convert ppts into html :) | 19:18 |
| alnr | anything new in os2008 to allow an n800 to share the internet connection of a wm6 (no btdun,pan only) smartphone? | 19:18 |
| tontsa | what kind of wm6 phone doesn't have btdun? | 19:19 |
| alnr | tontsa: if i understand right, /every/ | 19:19 |
| Bastich | hugolp: but still you have to convert to openoffice presenter | 19:19 |
| Bastich | sorry impress | 19:19 |
| snak | openoffice uses confusing names | 19:20 |
| hugolp | koffice doesnt read ppt? | 19:20 |
| tontsa | alnr, so this is not a scenario where you would use your laptop's bt to connect to internet via smartphone's say gprs or edge? | 19:20 |
| Bastich | hugolp: no they don't have ppts among supported files | 19:21 |
| hugolp | then youll have to do what timelyx said | 19:21 |
| alnr | tontsa: no, i can get my laptop to ics with my tmobile dash, but i would like to make the n800 share the dash, no laptop | 19:21 |
| thefool | Ok crap, I may have somehow bricked my 770...I don't even get the booting screen | 19:21 |
| thefool | and I can't seem to get it to reflash | 19:21 |
| Bastich | hugolp: no need for that, i can open a ppt in impress and save it as open office presentation | 19:22 |
| tontsa | alnr, ics being the windows internet connection sharing? | 19:22 |
| alnr | tontsa: right. it uses bt pan | 19:22 |
| Dicer42 | I cant find those stupid wifi keys... And no post on ITT either | 19:23 |
| truent | uhh does anyone else have chinook scratchbox installed? | 19:23 |
| Dicer42 | Guess I have to reenter them all :-( | 19:24 |
| hugolp | yes | 19:24 |
| truent | do you have af-sb-init.sh ? | 19:24 |
| alnr | apparently ms deliberately dropped bt dun, and will be putting it back one day in wm6, although mobile provider partners dont want it for some reason | 19:24 |
| truent | i dont have af-sb-init.sh anywhere.. never was installed apparently | 19:24 |
| tontsa | alnr, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6794 there's some crude way to get BT PAN on n800 | 19:24 |
| truent | alnr, os2007 or os2008? | 19:24 |
| truent | i made a ruby package for os2007.. 4 clicks and you're online with PAN | 19:25 |
| alnr | tontsa: tx, i messed with that but i just could not get anywhere in os2007. now i have os2008, was hoping for something new or something figure it out | 19:25 |
| truent | os2008.. workin on it | 19:25 |
| alnr | i'll give it shot in '8 also | 19:25 |
| truent | no | 19:26 |
| truent | dont use that one | 19:26 |
| truent | hang on | 19:26 |
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| cbx33 | so people who havn't doe a restore | 19:26 |
| cbx33 | do your repos work? | 19:26 |
| cbx33 | or are they broken for everyone?? | 19:27 |
| tontsa | repos work for me atleast | 19:27 |
| cbx33 | on os2008? | 19:27 |
| tontsa | been installing stuff the last 3 days just fine, yep 2008 | 19:27 |
| truent | alnr, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12666&highlight=pan+os2008 fanoush's script will work.. just run udhcpc -i bnep0 afterwards.. | 19:27 |
| cbx33 | tontsa, did you restore fro ma backup? | 19:27 |
| cbx33 | what version of 2008? | 19:27 |
| cbx33 | 1st/beta? | 19:27 |
| truent | dude | 19:28 |
| truent | no developers for chinook in here? | 19:28 |
| tontsa | cbx33, no restore. just flashed my n810 with the latest image and added all the repos from gronmayer page | 19:28 |
| alnr | truent: ok thanks. i will check it out | 19:28 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 19:28 |
| Bastich | thanks for company, see you for now | 19:28 |
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| cbx33 | tontsa, ok......so...maybe there is correlation | 19:28 |
| cbx33 | i mean the files seem to be available | 19:28 |
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| tontsa | maybe if you restored a backup it overwrote some stuff with older stuff | 19:29 |
| tontsa | and you are getting some mixed bora-chinook stuff | 19:29 |
| Dicer42 | I did no restore on my n800 and Nokia catalog is not working | 19:29 |
| truent | alnr, check back on itt.. im working on an easy version for os2008 pan users | 19:29 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 19:29 |
| cbx33 | Dicer42, interesting | 19:29 |
| Dicer42 | md5sum mismatch | 19:29 |
| cbx33 | my nokia ones work | 19:29 |
| Screaming | Hi, guys. I figured out why the maemo repos etc were crap. | 19:29 |
| alnr | truent: that would be great! | 19:30 |
| tontsa | seems to be luck of a draw on which akamai mirror you get | 19:30 |
| hugolp | Screaming: why? | 19:30 |
| tontsa | some mirrors are broken | 19:30 |
| halley | Because maemo.org is a Nokia 770 serving through the USB port? | 19:30 |
| cbx33 | Screaming, ??? | 19:30 |
| cbx33 | come on | 19:30 |
| cbx33 | spill the beans | 19:30 |
| shackan | halley: more likely, a beowulf cluster of them | 19:31 |
| glass_ | anyone looking for linux kernel dev / xwindows(embedded related) job? (would be in helsinki) /query | 19:31 |
| cbx33 | but i get the file.....it always seems to download | 19:31 |
| Screaming | Santa lost a reindeer so all the Finns had to stay home so he could check up on theirs. | 19:31 |
| cbx33 | oh ha ha ha | 19:31 |
| shackan | glass_: heh, I wish I lived there :D | 19:31 |
| timelyx | ARG | 19:31 |
| * timelyx hit a quota | 19:31 | |
| cbx33 | ouch | 19:32 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 19:32 |
| shackan | bandwidth quota? | 19:32 |
| snak | quotas are targets, which mean youre an achiever | 19:32 |
| snak | well done | 19:32 |
| Knirchmas | ;) | 19:32 |
| timelyx | shackan: disk | 19:34 |
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| glass_ | shackan: i wish you lived there too ha | 19:35 |
| alnr | anyone have any strong recs for a bt keyboard for n800? from what i read, they all seem to have issues | 19:35 |
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| alnr | is a must for me because rdesktop is unusable w/o an ext keyboard | 19:36 |
| halley | alnr, yeah, ssh. ;) | 19:37 |
| glass_ | alnr: stowaways | 19:37 |
| astro76 | alnr, anything that is bluetooth HID compliant should be good | 19:37 |
| glass_ | yeah | 19:37 |
| astro76 | alnr, yeah the stowaways | 19:37 |
| astro76 | if you are in the us, this one is still $30 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002OKCXE/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance | 19:37 |
| alnr | thanks all. yes i rely on ssh but use a ms desktop as a control pt for lot of things (eg it has its own putty/screen windows running in it | 19:40 |
| halley | Sounds horrific. | 19:41 |
| timelyx | hrm | 19:41 |
| timelyx | repository.maemo.org is >6.7gb ? :( | 19:41 |
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| mardi_ | igo stowaway ultra slim BT works fine for me | 19:42 |
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| dick-richardson | I downloaded the latest image and ended up with a 145MB file named nokia_N810.php...how's that supposed to work? | 19:42 |
| * timelyx wonders if there's any clever way to trim the size of a repository | 19:42 | |
| astro76 | dick-richardson, check the md5sum, the filename doesn't matter | 19:43 |
| alnr | halley: i use ssh, heavy, but i've found that for working from any network including restricted, rdp is the most universal and stealthy | 19:43 |
| timelyx | dick-richardson: the normal filename is listed in the download list | 19:43 |
| dick-richardson | astro76: kk | 19:43 |
| timelyx | if you have linux/osx, it doesn't really matter, just pass the filename to flasher3 | 19:43 |
| timelyx | on windows, i believe the flasher will let you browse to an arbitrary file name | 19:43 |
| timelyx | although it probably expects .bin or something :) | 19:43 |
| dick-richardson | using linux...just put off for a bit by the name | 19:44 |
| dick-richardson | but md5 matches...so we're good to go ?D | 19:45 |
| timelyx | browsers have various interesting ways of picking filenames | 19:45 |
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| truent | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? | 19:50 |
| truent | E: Unable to install maemo-sdk-dev on CHINOOK_X86 target. | 19:50 |
| truent | E: Please check the sources.list for errors. | 19:50 |
| L0cutus | is possible to mirror repository.maemo.org ? | 19:50 |
| dick-richardson | did gps acquisition improve on the n810? | 19:51 |
| truent | anyone have any idea what to do? | 19:51 |
| timelyx | L0cutus: it takes a lot of space | 19:51 |
| timelyx | >>7gb when i last tried :( | 19:51 |
| L0cutus | no prob. | 19:51 |
| L0cutus | after all it only for the first download | 19:51 |
| fnordianslip | dicer42: thread on itT has details on passkey locations... | 19:52 |
| fnordianslip | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13192&highlight=daughter | 19:52 |
| L0cutus | timelyx, what i need to do it ? | 19:52 |
| timelyx | L0cutus: i'm just using wget | 19:52 |
| timelyx | and it's moderately flaky | 19:52 |
| L0cutus | so i can keep the entire mirror on my tablet :-) | 19:52 |
| timelyx | you have a tablet that has >8gb of space on it? | 19:53 |
| L0cutus | yes, 16gb | 19:53 |
| L0cutus | (the external one) | 19:53 |
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| L0cutus | i've also put a little permanent magnet on the back sensor just to be careful about the internal sd integrity (if the sensor is the problem :) | 19:55 |
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| L0cutus | uff | 20:04 |
| L0cutus | my free disk space is going low... | 20:05 |
| L0cutus | 10mb free... | 20:05 |
| L0cutus | (on n800) | 20:05 |
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| truent | 77mb | 20:08 |
| truent | what the hell do you have installed | 20:08 |
| Dicer42 | fnordianslip: thanks! Thats exactly what I was looking for. I now just need to figure out how to copy those over to the other device. But that should be easy. Thx again | 20:11 |
| fnordianslip | np | 20:11 |
| fnordianslip | took me a while to find it, but keyword search for "daughter" paid off, surprisingly | 20:12 |
| dick-richardson | how do I change the default editor? | 20:12 |
| Dicer42 | yeah, I was searching for a while there too but couldnt find anything. I was already wondering about your search term :-) | 20:16 |
| fnordianslip | just remembered the guy talking about his daughter's AP | 20:17 |
| Dicer42 | good memory then! | 20:18 |
| fnordianslip | full of useless stuff though | 20:18 |
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| Dicer42 | yeah! It actually worked to migrate the data! woohoo | 20:22 |
| fnordianslip | oool | 20:22 |
| Dicer42 | I think I'll do an wiki entry on that one | 20:22 |
| fnordianslip | cool even | 20:22 |
| Dicer42 | probably some people out there who do not want to backup/restore from there 770 to 800... | 20:22 |
| * timelyx just cats the files from /var/lib/gconf/ ... | 20:22 | |
| * timelyx uses lots of tab completion to get there | 20:23 | |
| Dicer42 | gconftool --dump /system/osso/connectivity/IAP > /media/mmc1/iap.backup | 20:23 |
| FunkyPenguin | any news on repository.maemo.org ? | 20:23 |
| Dicer42 | gconftool --load=/media/... | 20:23 |
| timelyx | FunkyPenguin: it's responsive now :) | 20:23 |
| timelyx | i'm getting ~5M/s for some files from some point on the cdn | 20:24 |
| fnordianslip | really? i hadn't noticed | 20:24 |
| FunkyPenguin | really? i'll try again, chaving major issues trying to install canola2 | 20:24 |
| FunkyPenguin | and i cant eben re-install canola1 as an interim solution :( | 20:24 |
| timelyx | 10:23:42 (4.47 MB/s) - `repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/k/kernel-source-rx-34/kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz' saved [55849443/55849443] | 20:24 |
| Dicer42 | I still get "Installation file corrupted" on most of the files | 20:25 |
| FunkyPenguin | Dicer42: that's exactly the same for me | 20:25 |
| timelyx | well, i have a canola2_2.0.0~beta1-maemo.1_all.deb | 20:26 |
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| fnordianslip | I get "zip: invalid magic" and GPG errors | 20:27 |
| Dicer42 | FunkyPenguin: At least I can refresh my application list now. | 20:27 |
| Dicer42 | That didnt work half an hour ago | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | yep, apt-get update works; apt-get install anything still doesn't | 20:28 |
| fnordianslip | i get those errors in apt-get update | 20:28 |
| mgedmin | wget shows me a 199-byte long text/html file instead of a 400kb-long deb | 20:28 |
| dick-richardson | has aisleriot been ported? | 20:29 |
| sp3000 | mgedmin: now get appmgr / apt to add a ?kitten to the end of each url fetched and you're all set :) | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | sp3000: it works!!!! | 20:30 |
| fnordianslip | what works? tell me! tell me! i haven't sen anything work for ages. | 20:31 |
| mgedmin | in scratchbox: apt-get install whatever --print-uris | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | then wget http://.../?kitten | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | then mv file.deb?kitten /var/cache/apt/archives/file.deb | 20:32 |
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| fnordianslip | cunning | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | then apt-get install foo again | 20:32 |
| sp3000 | kittens are | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 20:32 |
| mgedmin | /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/lib/gconf': Operation not permitted | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | can't install gconf2 | 20:33 |
| * mgedmin retries with fakeroot | 20:33 | |
| sp3000 | did you just forget to fakeroot? | 20:33 |
| mgedmin | yup, that I did | 20:33 |
| L0cutus | funny qt4 apps working :) | 20:35 |
| L0cutus | need more | 20:35 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC051CSYsPM psx4all running on ipod touch | 20:35 |
| L0cutus | really... i MUST boot from mmc... | 20:36 |
| L0cutus | no more space on internal flash... | 20:36 |
| sp3000 | did you install ooo? :D | 20:36 |
| FunkyPenguin | anyone know how to get canola1? im happy to use that till i can install v2 | 20:37 |
| FunkyPenguin | the repo errors out :( | 20:37 |
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| dick-richardson | how do you change the default editor? | 20:37 |
| dick-richardson | at the command line | 20:37 |
| L0cutus | sp3000, skype,gizmo etc... | 20:37 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoUlONqxvKQ better demo on iphone | 20:38 |
| Dicer42 | nice | 20:40 |
| lnx^ | can we somehow make apt-get add an extra ? to the url so we can use the maemo repo? | 20:43 |
| lnx^ | wouldn't want to have to dl all packages manually | 20:43 |
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| lnx^ | especially since i don't even have wget installed! | 20:44 |
| lnx^ | what repo should wget be in btw? | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | luckily for me, wget is preinstalled in scratchbox | 20:46 |
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| sp3000 | I wonder if you could replace /usr/lib/apt/methods/http with a wrapper script | 20:50 |
| dick-richardson | why are the python debs in maemo extras corrupted? | 20:51 |
| sp3000 | dick-richardson: it's nothing specific to them | 20:51 |
| sp3000 | some portion of debs are cached badly in places apparently | 20:51 |
| lnx^ | how does that method work | 20:52 |
| lnx^ | how does it take arguments | 20:52 |
| sp3000 | run it :) | 20:52 |
| lnx^ | i did, but i can't figure it out! | 20:53 |
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| solmumaha | lnx^: want the missing debs? | 20:53 |
| dick-richardson | sp3000: any idea how long that'll take to fix? | 20:54 |
| sp3000 | no | 20:54 |
| timelyx | dick-richardson: we don't even know people who know how to fix them | 20:54 |
| timelyx | and there doesn't seem to be any ui for reporting the problem :) | 20:54 |
| dick-richardson | ouch! | 20:55 |
| timelyx | well, you could file a bug in repositories, but i filed one of those, and it isn't fixed yet :) | 20:55 |
| timelyx | and mine's simple :) | 20:55 |
| sp3000 | and evil :) | 20:55 |
| pupnik | http://youtube.com/watch?v=GxN3DmFZXF0 Pandora mockup video | 20:56 |
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| lnx^ | solmumaha: would be appreciated. where are we supposed to get wget from, it's not in any of the default repos AFAIK | 21:00 |
| lnx^ | i don't remember where i got nano and wget from for os2007, but i have the feeling they were in the default repos | 21:00 |
| solmumaha | lnx^: http://gronmayer.com/it/ lists it on few repos | 21:02 |
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| lnx^ | ah, so we just have to use the bora repository.. | 21:08 |
| * mgedmin has copies of wget for mistral and bora at http://mg.pov.lt/770/wget.install | 21:09 | |
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| timelyx | ok | 21:15 |
| timelyx | if people want to experiment with a broken copy of repository.maemo.org or mxr.maemo.org | 21:15 |
| timelyx | echo 66.33.212.254 mxr.maemo.org repository.maemo.org >> /etc/hosts | 21:16 |
| timelyx | oh no | 21:17 |
| halley | Time to set up your firewall, eh? ;) | 21:18 |
| dick-richardson | he's got time...l33t h4x0rs don't wake up until 3p | 21:20 |
| dick-richardson | if you get your ip from your isp via dhcp, just plug your modem into a switch and the switch into whatever your modem's plugged into now | 21:22 |
| dick-richardson | new mac address = new assigned ip address | 21:22 |
| glass_ | just change the mac.. | 21:25 |
| glass_ | doable with most drivers | 21:26 |
| glass_ | even in windows | 21:26 |
| dick-richardson | glass_: even easier | 21:26 |
| sp3000 | oops | 21:26 |
| * sp3000 tries to fork-bomb himself | 21:27 | |
| dick-richardson | sp3000: done that a few times :D | 21:27 |
| sp3000 | basically -- when writing a wrapper for something, call the real thing in the wrapper, not the wrapper :) | 21:28 |
| Cptnodegard | hmmmm.... isnt os08 backwards compatible with os07? | 21:29 |
| dick-richardson | Cptnodegard: depends...what are you having problems with? | 21:30 |
| halley | Not always. | 21:30 |
| Cptnodegard | nothign as i havent gotten my IT yet. but im reading through ITT, and people are talking about something called a repository which from what i can tell is a online application server or something, and one person commented "most of the apps available for 07 is available for 08", which lead me to believe the apps had to be recompiled or something | 21:31 |
| halley | They often have. | 21:31 |
| lnx^ | did someone manage to write the wrapper yet? | 21:32 |
| Cptnodegard | being used to the PSP scene, the whole idea of updating the OS to be automatically sounds like something that will take a lot of work and might brick the whole thing. havent used anything linux before so trying to read up, but its a lot to go through | 21:32 |
| dick-richardson | Cptnodegard: nah, anything that bricks the device is found and fixed before it'd be released to beta | 21:33 |
| Cptnodegard | ah ic | 21:33 |
| dick-richardson | actually, come to think of it...anyone hear of a bricked tablet? | 21:34 |
| Cptnodegard | looking for a beginners guide to all of this, but so far unsuccsessful wtih the exception of a few threads with tips on what to do, just not how to do it xD | 21:34 |
| dick-richardson | Cptnodegard: what do you want to do? | 21:34 |
| halley | dick-richardson, nothing that couldn't be solved with a reflash. | 21:34 |
| dick-richardson | halley: yeah, that's what I rather figured | 21:35 |
| halley | dick-richardson, which is what a true "brick" means (unlike the iPhone people who think "bricked" means "erased my contact list") | 21:35 |
| dick-richardson | these corrupted debs make me grumpy. I can't download my podcasts on my tablet directly :/ | 21:35 |
| dick-richardson | halley: lol! | 21:35 |
| mgedmin | hm, I thought "brick" means "even a reflash can't fix it without specialized hardware" | 21:36 |
| halley | mgedmin, that's what I'm saying | 21:36 |
| Cptnodegard | well as i said, havent gotten my n800 yet. guess it will be here some time after christmas, trying to read up on what i should do with the thing - but with the capabilites of this thing its a bit overwhelming. the whole os07/os08 thing i see is something that just came out, and being used to both my psp and my mp3 player's rather creepy firmware updates that might or might not kill the whole thing, im trying to find out if installing the new os | 21:37 |
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| Cptnodegard | brick means a hardware thing has broken software so it can only be used as paperweight :) | 21:37 |
| dick-richardson | Cptnodegard: if doesn't come w/os2008, I'd put it on | 21:37 |
| halley | n800 will not be imaged instream to ship with os2008, I expect | 21:38 |
| sp3000 | lnx^: meh, mangling apt's http method's input through sed -u 's/^\(URI: .*\)$/\1?cheese/' gives me E: Method gave invalid 200 URI Start message | 21:38 |
| dick-richardson | then hang around here and read up at itt...you'll find something you want to do | 21:38 |
| sp3000 | so I dunno | 21:38 |
| ol_schoola | Cptnodegard: the n800 is a full-up linux computer, just very small with a touchscreen | 21:38 |
| sp3000 | (also bb sed doesn't have -u so that just stalls) | 21:38 |
| Cptnodegard | i see that gnumeric doesnt seem to work on os08, i'd be very happy if i could have ms excel files on it seeing i study economics, and fro what i could find out gnumeric is the only choice | 21:38 |
| ol_schoola | it manages it's OS (firrmware) and applications with a user interface application... | 21:39 |
| ol_schoola | ..or geeky command line instructions to update, install and remove | 21:39 |
| ol_schoola | just as any other linux distribution works | 21:39 |
| Cptnodegard | so installing os08 is not scary for a total IT and linux noob like me? :) | 21:39 |
| halley | It's not os08, it's os2008 | 21:39 |
| ol_schoola | the OS platform is a trimmed down linux distro called Maemo | 21:39 |
| Cptnodegard | yeah i know im just lazy xD | 21:40 |
| dick-richardson | Cptnodegard: no | 21:40 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: not exactly | 21:40 |
| timelyx | since maemo doesn't like being written in uppercase :) | 21:40 |
| ol_schoola | os2007 would be like Fedora 7 and os2008 is like Fedora 8, | 21:40 |
| timelyx | and it doesn't really know what it is :) | 21:40 |
| Cptnodegard | ever used a linux computer :s *hides* | 21:40 |
| ol_schoola | 'tis a learning experience, especially for a non-programmer | 21:41 |
| dick-richardson | Cptnodegard: you will be | 21:41 |
| Cptnodegard | *never | 21:41 |
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| ol_schoola | no need to jide, tho. for good practice, take an old mobo and HD and hobble together an Ubuntu or Fedora machine if you like to tinker and learn | 21:42 |
| ol_schoola | the wiki at Maemo is incredibly stale with references to older OS releases and mostly uses the 770 tablet as it's base | 21:43 |
| Cptnodegard | being more into the mp3 player world, im used to constantly repeating myself to noobs who asks q's that to me are stupid questions... so im hesitant to do the same when im noob at something, but there is just so much to get into with these it's | 21:43 |
| ol_schoola | very confusing to a new n800 or n810 owner | 21:43 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: the wiki should allow edits | 21:43 |
| sp3000 | an editable wiki!? | 21:43 |
| timelyx | sp3000: strange concept, eh? | 21:44 |
| * timelyx doesn't believe in them | 21:44 | |
| ol_schoola | it does, and i should, but i've had a heck of a time just trying to get this thing up to proper 2008 | 21:44 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 21:44 |
| timelyx | otoh, i just watched the mrs. clause | 21:44 |
| timelyx | sp3000: can you try adding that line to your /etc/hosts? | 21:44 |
| timelyx | i need some advice on fixing up the mxr.maemo.org root page :) | 21:44 |
| ol_schoola | the fact that so much of the useful needed info is constantly jumbling about in the forums at iTT just drives me batty | 21:44 |
| ol_schoola | timelyx: i'm now a reflash king, i'll try anything. do you have some kind of r.m.o repo mirror up? | 21:45 |
| aspiers | is it just me or should a chinook scratchbox NOT contain bora repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list? | 21:46 |
| aspiers | the VMware SDK I downloaded refers to bora in all the chinook targets | 21:46 |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: yeah. but i wouldn't guarantee reliability | 21:46 |
| dick-richardson | aspiers: yeah...there seems to NOT be a clear delineation between bora and chinook in the repos | 21:46 |
| timelyx | if you want to experiment with it, you can | 21:46 |
| timelyx | of course, you'll need to be root once | 21:47 |
| timelyx | and becoming root atm is probably "hard" :) | 21:47 |
| Cptnodegard | im surprised these tablets arent more popular... i first ever knew about them yesterday, was browsing the winter sale of a online store when i tripped over a very weird looking phone :P after a few google hits i realized the n800 wasnt a phone and lashed out the money for it instantly. i dont get the hype with eee pc, this thign does the same for half the price | 21:47 |
| aspiers | dick-richardson: chinook sources.list doesn't even contain *any* references to chinook repos | 21:47 |
| ol_schoola | timelyx: no guarantees? what??? | 21:47 |
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| sp3000 | timelyx: 66.33.212.254 mxr.maemo.org repository.maemo.org? | 21:47 |
| dick-richardson | aspiers: mine doesn't either | 21:47 |
| ol_schoola | jk, i'm all ears. just echo that line into my hosts file? | 21:47 |
| timelyx | yeah | 21:48 |
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| aspiers | dick-richardson: and you've successfully built stuff that has dependencies despite that? | 21:48 |
| dick-richardson | aspiers: yep. except gpodder...but that's because the debs are corrupt | 21:48 |
| derf | Cptnodegard: The "half the price" thing is fairly recent. | 21:48 |
| dick-richardson | ok...horse is dead now | 21:49 |
| aspiers | sorry for the FAQ - but why *are* the r.m.o debs broken? | 21:49 |
| aspiers | dick-richardson: I'm building emacs-snapshot-gtk, and it wants texinfo which is only in chinook | 21:49 |
| Cptnodegard | ah | 21:49 |
| timelyx | aspiers: r.m.o has a CDN which seems to have run into glitches building up its copies | 21:50 |
| Cptnodegard | well the n810 is fairly new from what i can tell so the n800 is an older model | 21:50 |
| timelyx | at least, that's the best we can surmise | 21:50 |
| Cptnodegard | although if its true the n810 doesnt have two sdhc slots, that is kinda... odd | 21:50 |
| dick-richardson | Cptnodegard: it's prettier | 21:50 |
| timelyx | Cptnodegard: the n810 is about a month old and the n800 is from mid january | 21:50 |
| derf | Well, I could only ever get one to work reliably on my N800 anyway, so no big loss. | 21:50 |
| aspiers | timelyx: and Nokia folks manage that and they're all on vacation? | 21:50 |
| timelyx | aspiers: i really don't understand how it's working | 21:51 |
| timelyx | and i really shouldn't speak for them | 21:51 |
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| timelyx | aspiers: if you have complaints, please call Nokia Care | 21:51 |
| aspiers | timelyx: I don't have any complaints | 21:51 |
| timelyx | http://www.nokia.com.au/A4521196 (?) | 21:51 |
| timelyx | gah, that page requires flash! | 21:52 |
| aspiers | are there any r.m.o mirrors I can use? | 21:52 |
| Cptnodegard | derf: sdhc cards? didnt know there was any compatability issues | 21:52 |
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| timelyx | aspiers: r.m.o is fronted (?) by akamai (CDN) | 21:52 |
| derf | Not compatibility... I think the internal slot on my N800 is just loose. | 21:52 |
| timelyx | mirroring r.m.o seems to require >>8gb of space | 21:52 |
| derf | Every time I take the cover off the card is already half-falling out of it. | 21:53 |
| Cptnodegard | ah good. i love how cheap 8GB sdhc cards are lately... guess 16GB will drop a lot over the next motnhs as well | 21:53 |
| sp3000 | derf, so the locking slide thing slides back on its own or something? | 21:53 |
| timelyx | i don't know of anyone else really trying, as long as you only need some limited portion of chinook, i'm trying to build a copy of it, | 21:53 |
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| aspiers | timelyx: I only need the texinfo .deb | 21:54 |
| sp3000 | aspiers: find the url, add a ?foopy on the tail, download | 21:54 |
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| aspiers | found it: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/t/texinfo/ | 21:55 |
| aspiers | sp3000: not sure which URL you meant? | 21:55 |
| sp3000 | aspiers, that of the deb you want | 21:55 |
| aspiers | sp3000: what does ?foopy do? | 21:56 |
| timelyx | sp3000: oddly, that didn't seem to work when i tried it | 21:56 |
| Cptnodegard | how long does os2007 to os2008 update take, btw? | 21:56 |
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| timelyx | aspiers: in theory it forces the server not to use a bad cached version of the file | 21:56 |
| hugolp | Cptnodegard: 30 seconds? | 21:56 |
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| aspiers | timelyx: ah ok, so the value of the query string is unimportant | 21:57 |
| Cptnodegard | lol | 21:57 |
| Cptnodegard | thx | 21:57 |
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| Cptnodegard | reading about some guy who bricked his n800 during update, hes talking about 180 minuts | 21:57 |
| timelyx | aspiers: yeah, if it works :) | 21:57 |
| aspiers | Resolving repository.maemo.org... failed: Host not found. | 21:57 |
| timelyx | heh | 21:58 |
| timelyx | um, "that's bad" :) | 21:58 |
| steri | repository.maemo.org is an alias for repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. | 21:58 |
| steri | repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net is an alias for a515.g.akamai.net. | 21:58 |
| steri | a515.g.akamai.net has address 217.212.252.80 | 21:58 |
| steri | a515.g.akamai.net has address 217.212.252.70 | 21:58 |
| steri | :P | 21:58 |
| steri | working fine | 21:58 |
| aspiers | a515.g.akamai.net has address 84.45.224.23 | 21:58 |
| aspiers | a515.g.akamai.net has address 84.45.224.16 | 21:58 |
| steri | but those .debs are still broken :P | 21:58 |
| GreySim | Anyone know if there still is a 256 color xterm available, and if so, where to get it or how to use it? I've seen this post, but if the color support is in the current package, vim isn't taking advantage of it at least, and I don't know what else to test with. http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/ | 21:58 |
| aspiers | resolves differently here, but I still get host not found | 21:58 |
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| GreySim | Err, uh, this post rather: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/05/15/osso-xterm-with-256-color-support/ | 21:59 |
| timelyx | GreySim: have you tried changing TERM ? | 21:59 |
| GreySim | No! No I haven't. Thank you. :) | 21:59 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: soo what do you need wrt 66... | 22:00 |
| timelyx | sp3000: advice :) | 22:00 |
| timelyx | like, how to reorganize the left column :) | 22:00 |
| timelyx | atm it's really eclectic :( | 22:01 |
| timelyx | should i switch to a table? | 22:01 |
| aspiers | steri: I just managed to download the .deb I need - in what way will it be broken? | 22:01 |
| timelyx | (-moz-columns: isn't really available) | 22:01 |
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| timelyx | hrm... it probably shouldn't say landfill on mxr.maemo, eh? :) | 22:03 |
| aspiers | hmm, wget works fine from outside the scratchbox | 22:03 |
| steri | aspiers: afaik when I try to install canola2 it whines broken package and someone said at it's python which is broken | 22:04 |
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| ol_schoola | timelyx: i get a r.m.o host not found even after adding to the host file as per above | 22:05 |
| * aspiers installs wireshark to see what's really going on | 22:06 | |
| timelyx | ol_schoola: my echo? | 22:06 |
| ol_schoola | timelyx: correct | 22:06 |
| steri | yep, still it... "installation file corrupted" | 22:07 |
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| Cptnodegard | the n800 has USB host? miniusb? | 22:07 |
| Khertan | steri: it s only the repository which is overloaded | 22:07 |
| steri | no it's not... i can install alot other apps and I can even access it with browser without lag | 22:08 |
| Khertan | i found that canola is a bit slow ... | 22:08 |
| Khertan | i ve the same thing many times | 22:08 |
| steri | if you lookt the topic | repository.maemo.org debs are broken | 22:08 |
| Khertan | i had | 22:08 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: you could use magic to only show some roots based on http host? | 22:09 |
| Khertan | and this night at 3pm ... it had worked | 22:09 |
| timelyx | sp3000: yeah, i can | 22:09 |
| timelyx | i'll do that shortly | 22:09 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: another would be, copy the sidebar content into the normal part, shrink explanations from sidebar and link to them as anchors below | 22:09 |
| sp3000 | but I'm not sure if that'd rellay help find stuff | 22:10 |
| sp3000 | rellay! | 22:10 |
| sp3000 | it's just a lot of content :) | 22:10 |
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| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: slow in what sense? | 22:12 |
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| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: visually/feel slow? Takes too long to do something? Slow video playback? | 22:13 |
| Khertan | gui ... slow visual | 22:13 |
| Khertan | transition is not fluid | 22:14 |
| Khertan | i can see lag ... | 22:14 |
| k-s[AWAY] | which screen? | 22:14 |
| Khertan | and this without anything | 22:14 |
| k-s[AWAY] | was it ok before and now it's bad? | 22:14 |
| Khertan | main -> audio | 22:14 |
| Khertan | k-s[AWAY]: i haven't use canola before ... | 22:14 |
| Khertan | this 2.0 beta version | 22:15 |
| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: we know that the first time you do that it's a bit slow, but others shouldn't | 22:15 |
| k-s[AWAY] | (first time after you start canola, but this repeats if you restart canola) | 22:15 |
| steri | Khertan: overload has nothing to do with "libdownloadmanager0_0.1.0-maemo.1_armel.deb Size mismatch" :P | 22:15 |
| Khertan | hum ... first time after launch ? of the first first time :) | 22:15 |
| k-s[AWAY] | first time after launch | 22:16 |
| k-s[AWAY] | this is because I load all plugins for sub-screens at this point | 22:16 |
| Khertan | hum ... i found that it s a bit annoying too that the fullscreen button doesn't work :) | 22:16 |
| k-s[AWAY] | ie: load the plugin that implement podcast, local music, photocast, local picture, ... | 22:16 |
| Khertan | arf of course | 22:17 |
| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: it work on screens that implement fullscreen, like picture or video | 22:17 |
| GreySim | Aha, found my problem, vim wasn't using it because you have to set t_Co=256 for it to pick up the colors. | 22:17 |
| Khertan | ok | 22:17 |
| GreySim | Thanks guys. | 22:17 |
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| Khertan | does cover should be download automatically ? | 22:17 |
| Khertan | or there is an option somewhere ? | 22:17 |
| aspiers | ugh, scratchbox doesn't even have host/nslookup/ping ?! | 22:18 |
| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: [+]/[-] buttons are also just working on video/audio player, we'll make them always control the volume in next version | 22:18 |
| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: check ITT, we wrote about it there already :-) | 22:18 |
| Khertan | oups sorry ;) | 22:18 |
| k-s[AWAY] | :-) | 22:18 |
| k-s[AWAY] | lots of info/discussion there | 22:18 |
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| halley | It better only control volume when the media app is active. | 22:18 |
| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: can you confirm that now it's fast when you click Main->Audio? | 22:19 |
| Khertan | yes it fast after loaded a first time :) | 22:19 |
| k-s[AWAY] | halley: when you're viewing an slideshow, would be good to change the volume | 22:19 |
| halley | If I'm using a mapper or website, +/- are for zooming. | 22:19 |
| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: it's my bad, I'll fix it in January | 22:19 |
| k-s[AWAY] | halley: ah! sure! inside canola I mean | 22:19 |
| k-s[AWAY] | halley: we have no access to other apps | 22:20 |
| Khertan | k-s[AWAY]: you have make too many plugin ... just make one to read wav file only ;) | 22:20 |
| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: ? | 22:21 |
| Khertan | in fact i ven't use canola1 because i ven't like it. but Canola 2 is a great app ... the better app writted in python i ve seen | 22:21 |
| k-s[AWAY] | you mean detect wav files? I wrote one for LightMediaScanner (used by Canola), just need to package and ship :-) | 22:21 |
| Khertan | k-s[AWAY]: a bad joke | 22:21 |
| k-s[AWAY] | ah :-D | 22:22 |
| Khertan | i mean first time is slow due to many plugin ... so let s only one ... it ll be fast :) | 22:22 |
| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: about python apps, are you kidding, lots of great apps are in python ;-) | 22:22 |
| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: I see | 22:22 |
| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: :-) | 22:22 |
| Khertan | k-s[AWAY]: hum ? what app ? | 22:22 |
| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: lots of web apps, like youtube | 22:23 |
| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: also apps like eric3/4 (IDE editor), freevo (pvr) | 22:23 |
| Khertan | k-s[AWAY]: for me youtube isn't a good example :) | 22:23 |
| * aspiers finally gets scratchbox to apt-get update - /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf was broken for some weird reason | 22:23 | |
| mgedmin | it usually is | 22:24 |
| k-s[AWAY] | blender is part python, part c++ | 22:24 |
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| Khertan | ah i don't know for blender ... :) | 22:24 |
| Khertan | but it vent a nice gui :) | 22:24 |
| k-s[AWAY] | but thanks for thinking canola is great python app :-) | 22:24 |
| Khertan | /s/vent/haven't | 22:25 |
| k-s[AWAY] | maybe we should request python to publish an article about it? ;-) | 22:25 |
| aspiers | mgedmin: resolv.conf is usually broken? | 22:25 |
| Khertan | i ven't look yet into the code ... but i think you should | 22:25 |
| mgedmin | yes | 22:25 |
| aspiers | why? | 22:25 |
| k-s[AWAY] | INdT want to have more people writing Python+EFL apps, it's a good combination! | 22:26 |
| Khertan | and one more thing ... why using a daemon to parse file ? | 22:26 |
| mgedmin | I think scratchbox copies the real /etc/resolv.conf (produced by your dhcp client) into /scratchbox/etc | 22:26 |
| mgedmin | and then you move to a different LAN and your copy stops working | 22:26 |
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| k-s[AWAY] | Khertan: guess how many guys and time we needed to write Canola2 | 22:26 |
| k-s[AWAY] | the app itself, not fixing bugs with platform and like | 22:26 |
| aspiers | mgedmin: nope, my sb resolv.conf was broken precisely because it *wasn't* the same as the real one | 22:26 |
| mgedmin | I prefer to install dnsmasq and echo nameserver 127.0.0.1 > /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 22:26 |
| Khertan | k-s[AWAY]: if they need python programmer in france ... it ll interest me :) | 22:26 |
| mgedmin | aspiers: my theory is that it once was, but then the real one changed | 22:27 |
| * Khertan think that he need to upload the 2.0 version of pygtkeditor ... with python-gtksourceview binding | 22:27 | |
| k-s[AWAY] | mgedmin: I think resolv.conf is generated at install time, so if you change networks, it breaks | 22:27 |
| steri | baaah | 22:28 |
| mgedmin | that's what I think too | 22:28 |
| aspiers | mgedmin: nope it was looking at some bizarre 172.x.x.x address which is nothing to do with any network I've used | 22:28 |
| steri | anyone have working copy of this file? libdownloadmanager0_0.1.0-maemo.1_armel.deb | 22:28 |
| mgedmin | 172.16.x.x is one of the reserved ranges for LANs | 22:28 |
| aspiers | I originally had the VM interface as NAT then changed to bridged | 22:28 |
| mgedmin | like 192.168.x.x | 22:28 |
| aspiers | mgedmin: I know | 22:28 |
| mgedmin | oh, vmware | 22:28 |
| aspiers | my vmware setup does not use 172.x.x.x anywhere | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | steri: are you trying to download it from repository.maemo.org and failing? | 22:29 |
| steri | yea | 22:29 |
| mgedmin | you can step around the broken caching proxy servers by appending ?something to the URL | 22:29 |
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| steri | size mismatch | 22:29 |
| * mgedmin nods | 22:29 | |
| Khertan | does someone use pygtkeditor here ? | 22:30 |
| crafton | Hi.. somebody can send me a complete chinook sources.list file ? | 22:30 |
| Khertan | crafton: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2621 | 22:30 |
| Khertan | oups | 22:30 |
| Jaffa | Excellent. My "send URL to tablet" method seems to be working :-) | 22:30 |
| Khertan | crafton: http://www.gronmayer.com/it | 22:30 |
| timelyx | Jaffa: nice | 22:32 |
| crafton | thanks.. my problem was that i have some duplicated repositories.. but now i read how fix it, thanks again Khertan | 22:32 |
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| steri | gaah, every single package grom repo...maemo.org whines about that size mismatch.. it takes a week for me to install canola2 :( | 22:39 |
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| unique311 | at least you got it installed | 22:39 |
| unique311 | failed at every attempt | 22:40 |
| steri | it's not installed yet | 22:40 |
| unique311 | so i do what i do when shit gets on my nerves..... | 22:40 |
| unique311 | say fuck it | 22:40 |
| aspiers | is it only ARMEL .debs with size mismatch? I am happily installing stuff into i386 scratchbox | 22:40 |
| crafton | unique311 chinook too | 22:40 |
| kbsingh | humm the repos still down ? | 22:40 |
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| unique311 | well i only tried installing canola2 with the new update. | 22:41 |
| unique311 | from application manager i get package corrupted error | 22:41 |
| unique311 | from the terminal i get size mismatch. | 22:42 |
| kbsingh | does anyone actually know what is being done to fix the repo's and/or what is the process involved in fixing them ? | 22:43 |
| mardi_ | Canola installed fine for me using this Repo | 22:44 |
| mardi_ | Name: Chatonka Canola Repo (TEMPORARY) | 22:44 |
| mardi_ | Web address: http://blog.chatonka.com/Canola | 22:44 |
| mardi_ | Distribution: chinook | 22:44 |
| mardi_ | Components: testing | 22:44 |
| unique311 | this is canola2? | 22:44 |
| mardi_ | yep, Beta | 22:44 |
| unique311 | cool | 22:44 |
| unique311 | thanks | 22:44 |
| mardi_ | np | 22:44 |
| crafton | What means size mismatch error? | 22:45 |
| mardi_ | disable other Repos when you install, especially "Extras" | 22:45 |
| mardi_ | will grab the Python bits you need too, from same place | 22:45 |
| mgedmin | crafton: it means that there's some sort of a proxy server between you and repository.maemo.org that serves cached HTML error pages instead of real packages | 22:46 |
| timelyx | sp3000: reload? | 22:47 |
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| crafton | Wow.. true. if I acces the file mismatching.. there's a big body HTML saying.. "The service is temporarily unavailable. We are very sorry for the inconvinience it may cause." | 22:48 |
| crafton | This means, there's a part of the repos still down | 22:49 |
| timelyx | sucks, doesn't it? :) | 22:49 |
| kbsingh | crafton: example of a file that is not working for you ? | 22:50 |
| unique311 | thanks mardi_ | 22:50 |
| unique311 | installed | 22:50 |
| kbsingh | oh.... akamai serves up repository.m.o | 22:51 |
| crafton | example: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pygame/python2.5-pygame_1.7.1-1osso1_armel.deb | 22:51 |
| kbsingh | crafton: works for me here | 22:51 |
| kbsingh | try this | 22:51 |
| kbsingh | actually, you cant try that :D | 22:52 |
| kbsingh | you cant hit the ip directly | 22:52 |
| kbsingh | but, maybe you can fudge something into /etc/hosts | 22:53 |
| kbsingh | and have it only hit the one machine that is actually working fine | 22:53 |
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| crafton | don't worry.. i'll retry later. I only was trying to install kagu. But well, can wait. | 22:54 |
| sp3000 | timelyx: yeah, seems to be working | 22:54 |
| kbsingh | humm | 22:55 |
| kbsingh | [kbsingh@zafarnama ~]$ host repository.maemo.org | 22:55 |
| kbsingh | repository.maemo.org is an alias for repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. | 22:55 |
| kbsingh | repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net is an alias for a515.g.akamai.net. | 22:55 |
| kbsingh | a515.g.akamai.net has address 84.53.134.199 | 22:55 |
| kbsingh | a515.g.akamai.net has address 84.53.134.207 | 22:55 |
| Locutus6711 | hi, I have a problem with my new N800. i can't start it anymore | 22:55 |
| kbsingh | and both of them seem to be working fine for me at the moent | 22:55 |
| Locutus6711 | can somebody help me? | 22:55 |
| kbsingh | crafton: which part of the world are you in ? from a machine, try doing 'host repository.maemo.org' and see what ip's you get | 22:56 |
| crafton | ok. I'm in Spain. gonna try it. | 22:56 |
| sp3000 | Locutus6711: what happens when you do what? | 22:56 |
| Locutus6711 | I have switched it off and now it did nothing, when i hold the startbutton | 22:57 |
| Locutus6711 | only black screen | 22:57 |
| sp3000 | crafton: does http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pygame/python2.5-pygame_1.7.1-1osso1_armel.deb?meh work for you? | 22:57 |
| * sp3000 is curious since it either does or doesn't, apparently | 22:57 | |
| timelyx | sp3000: i think it depends on which unhappy server you get | 22:57 |
| timelyx | mine is a "doesn't" :) | 22:58 |
| sp3000 | Locutus6711: try removing the battery? | 22:58 |
| Locutus6711 | yes | 22:58 |
| Locutus6711 | nothing | 22:58 |
| kbsingh | timelyx: 'host repository.maemo.org' ? | 22:58 |
| sp3000 | plug in the charger? | 22:58 |
| unique311 | bang it around a bit | 22:58 |
| Locutus6711 | yes | 22:58 |
| crafton | kbsingh: 84.53.177.34 and 84.53.177.18 | 22:58 |
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| timelyx | repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net CNAME a515.g.akamai.net | 22:58 |
| Locutus6711 | i tried with the charger, nothing | 22:58 |
| timelyx | a515.g.akamai.net A 128.241.220.80 | 22:58 |
| timelyx | a515.g.akamai.net A 128.241.220.87 | 22:58 |
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| * sp3000 has repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. a515.g.akamai.net. 212.23.59.16 212.23.59.7 | 22:59 | |
| kbsingh | crafton: try this, : sudo ' echo "84.53.134.199 repository.maemo.org" > /etc/hosts ' | 22:59 |
| kbsingh | crafton: you need to get the quotes right | 22:59 |
| kbsingh | timelyx: you try that as well, the .199 machine is indeed working fine for me, for that python deb | 23:00 |
| sp3000 | kbsingh: erm, do you want to overwrite hosts? | 23:00 |
| Locutus6711 | The device is absolutly new, i have switched it on for the first time 5 hours ago | 23:00 |
| kbsingh | err | 23:00 |
| kbsingh | s/>/>>/ | 23:00 |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: how did problem start, have you left it charging for a while after removing and replacing the battery | 23:00 |
| timelyx | yeah um > is a *Bad* idea | 23:00 |
| timelyx | especially, on os x where supposedly it'll break the world :) | 23:00 |
| kbsingh | timelyx: really ? you have much in the hosts file ? | 23:00 |
| timelyx | # Host Database | 23:01 |
| timelyx | # | 23:01 |
| timelyx | # localhost is used to configure the loopback interface | 23:01 |
| timelyx | # when the system is booting. Do not change this entry. | 23:01 |
| kbsingh | umm.. i'd have thought you were doing this on the device | 23:01 |
| * timelyx shrugs | 23:01 | |
| timelyx | the echo command is compatible w/ lots of platforms | 23:01 |
| timelyx | and i ran an echo command on my mac :) | 23:01 |
| kbsingh | yeah, well use >> in that echo then, and see if it works for you | 23:02 |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: so has it ever worked, did you leave it charging long enough? | 23:02 |
| Locutus6711 | First I charged it totally. then I installed some apps and used the webbrowser. then I swiched it off. Replaced the SD-card by a 2GB card and tried to switch it on again | 23:02 |
| kbsingh | might need to refresh the repo metadata once | 23:02 |
| Locutus6711 | yes | 23:02 |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: hmm, removed the card you installed etc. and still nothing? | 23:03 |
| Locutus6711 | yes, i tried to insert the old card again. then i tried with no card. but both didnt work | 23:04 |
| * timelyx frowns | 23:04 | |
| timelyx | sp3000, do symlinks get resolved early or late in execution? | 23:04 |
| * timelyx guesses early :( | 23:04 | |
| crafton | kbsingh same prolem | 23:06 |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: thats strange for sure. leave it charging for a while perhap battery was totally flattend by a bad programme running when you thought it was closed | 23:06 |
| crafton | mmm... wel well | 23:06 |
| crafton | doesn't saved at /etc/hosts | 23:07 |
| crafton | gonna write it manually | 23:07 |
| dragorn | oh good. The os2008 final release breaks usb for my devices. | 23:07 |
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| Locutus6711 | no idea? | 23:08 |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: sometimes a bad prgramme can flatten battery when you leave it on standby for an hour or two...but normally with charger connected you would see some life and charging on the display etc. | 23:08 |
| kbsingh | crafton: interesting. | 23:09 |
| kbsingh | crafton: when you ping repository.maemo.org you get the ip you just added to /etc/hosts ? | 23:09 |
| Locutus6711 | when i insert the charger nothing happens | 23:09 |
| crafton | yes | 23:10 |
| crafton | kbsingh, the same ip, but still can't downloading those files | 23:10 |
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| kbsingh | are you behind a proxy perhaps ? | 23:10 |
| crafton | Officialy not, I have a cable-modem connection, with ONO, but If i were behind I proxy.. this doesn't surprise me.. they are popular for restricting p2p and some staff | 23:13 |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: Take it back to shop, you might just be unlucky, cant believe that just changing the SD card hosed your unit? (so it was working prior to changing SD card in external/internal slot) back cover is on etc | 23:13 |
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| crafton | Is possible that the 84.53.177.18 isn't totally updated between others servers yet? | 23:15 |
| ol_schoola | kbsingh: i can concur with crafton . same behavior. no proxy, ping returns ip from host file | 23:15 |
| ol_schoola | same happened with timelyx's ip | 23:16 |
| kbsingh | crafton: you dont want .18 | 23:16 |
| kbsingh | the ip you want is : 84.53.134.199 | 23:16 |
| Locutus6711 | it was the internal slot and back cover is on | 23:16 |
| crafton | D'oh! | 23:16 |
| ol_schoola | kbsingh: i'm using that with no results | 23:16 |
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| kbsingh | ol_schoola: wierd. that machine does work for me just fine | 23:17 |
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| crafton | really i have .199.. :) | 23:17 |
| crafton | at /etc/hosts i habe .199 | 23:17 |
| kbsingh | ah | 23:17 |
| ol_schoola | i've never suspected a comcrap proxy before, hmmmm | 23:18 |
| crafton | but you should be right... | 23:18 |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: Charger not working? | 23:18 |
| ol_schoola | an apt-get install of problem apps gives me size mismatch | 23:18 |
| crafton | i putted .199 but when i did the host repository.ma... got .18 and .34 | 23:18 |
| ol_schoola | i can wget the debs using the ?kitten append, tho | 23:19 |
| crafton | i gonna change | 23:19 |
| crafton | wait | 23:19 |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: try with another charger? | 23:19 |
| mgedmin | ol_schoola, crafton: AFAIU the proxy is there on the nokia side | 23:19 |
| mgedmin | isn't it? | 23:19 |
| ol_schoola | surely they have one, i thought we were trying an end run, must go back and rte-read the logs to see what i missed in this adventure ;) | 23:20 |
| Locutus6711 | i will try it, i have to search another charger | 23:20 |
| kbsingh | there should'nt really be a proxy, the repo seems to come from akamai servers, which will load spread | 23:21 |
| ol_schoola | i DID however get a clean install of battlegweled using the app mgr | 23:21 |
| crafton | mgedmin, oficially, am not behind a proxy | 23:21 |
| crafton | gotta go.. see you later | 23:21 |
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| ol_schoola | crafton: the issue is if we are still hitting up against Nokia's proxy | 23:21 |
| kbsingh | crafton: the host command wont use the /etc/hosts by default, so trust ping instead | 23:21 |
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| Locutus6711 | MikeL: I have no other suitable charger | 23:24 |
| Bastich | would abiword run under maemo? | 23:25 |
| * sp3000 tests something random | 23:25 | |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: Obviously only try it with another compatible charger, was thinking you could go to a mobile shop or something and ask them to let you try a compatible charger. or perhaps a friend has a new Nokia phone with same type of charger. | 23:25 |
| sp3000 | hmm, no, propending your username with label: doesn't get only mail for that label with pop ;) | 23:25 |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: this is purely to narrow down the problem | 23:25 |
| K`zan | Where are the logs kept on the n800, /var/log is empty, it has to get dmesg from somplace :-)? | 23:26 |
| Locutus6711 | yes, but i think it can't be the battery | 23:26 |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: Why | 23:26 |
| kbsingh | K`zan: dmesg does not come from /var/log/ does it ? | 23:26 |
| kbsingh | dmesg is the kernel log buffer | 23:27 |
| K`zan | kbsingh: I thought so, but evidentally I am wrong. | 23:27 |
| Locutus6711 | because I switched it off, when it was still charged and I tried to switch it on only one minute later | 23:27 |
| kbsingh | most of dmesg is normally also put through syslog and diverted either to disk or remote... | 23:27 |
| K`zan | which brings us back to the original question, where does the n800 hide the logs? | 23:27 |
| timelyx | you have to install sysklogd | 23:28 |
| fatal- | in the memory only, I believe | 23:28 |
| timelyx | by default it hides most of them in /dev/null | 23:28 |
| K`zan | scp is failing and nothing in dmesg. | 23:28 |
| K`zan | Sigh. Ok, thanks folks. | 23:28 |
| kbsingh | whats scp got to do with dmesg ???! | 23:28 |
| timelyx | use scp -v -v -v | 23:28 |
| K`zan | kbsingh: You tell me? | 23:28 |
| kbsingh | unless you have selinux getting in the way or another kernel level acl :D | 23:28 |
| K`zan | timelyx: Thanks, appreciate the help! | 23:28 |
| kbsingh | or scp -vvv | 23:29 |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: Oh well in that case you seem to have no option but to return your device, sorry cant be of more help. | 23:29 |
| Locutus6711 | yes, i will have to do that. thank you. | 23:30 |
| kbsingh | ok, dinner time! later, i shall try to apt-mirror the repositories to somewhere else. | 23:31 |
| MikeL | Locutus6711: your welcome | 23:32 |
| timelyx | sp3000: ok, reload | 23:34 |
| timelyx | i think i got most of the bugs out of my mxr.maemo | 23:34 |
| ol_schoola | oh no. i just brought in Canola2 using the chatonka temp repo. didn't save the log during the install. when r.m.o gets fixed, the depsolver is gonna go nuts when i re-enable the official repos, no? | 23:36 |
| timelyx | yes | 23:37 |
| timelyx | you're in trouble | 23:37 |
| ol_schoola | crap | 23:37 |
| timelyx | because updates will not do what you want | 23:37 |
| ol_schoola | of course not | 23:37 |
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| * FunkyPenguin needs to get canola running - either v1 or v2 | 23:37 | |
| timelyx | the only correct way to use a different repository is make sure it has the same paths | 23:37 |
| timelyx | and then hack /etc/hosts to lie | 23:37 |
| cbx33 | how are the repos doing? | 23:37 |
| sp3000 | cbx33: same old | 23:38 |
| * ol_schoola bangs head on asker43r8wehdewriy | 23:38 | |
| cbx33 | :( | 23:38 |
| ol_schoola | sb/keyboard | 23:38 |
| FunkyPenguin | how come the canola1 repo was removed? | 23:38 |
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| sp3000 | timelyx: the descriptions for maemo/maemo-all vs garage/garage-all are a bit randomly different | 23:39 |
| * ol_schoola carves "ALWAYS svae the logs" into his forearm | 23:39 | |
| timelyx | sp3000: yeah... pick the best, i'll fix | 23:39 |
| sp3000 | as well as the headings | 23:39 |
| cbx33 | timelyx, did you get your repo setup? | 23:40 |
| timelyx | cbx33: i think most of it is up | 23:40 |
| timelyx | you can try it | 23:40 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 23:40 |
| cbx33 | not got my n800 to hand | 23:40 |
| timelyx | cbx33: use a random scratchbox or fake debian :) | 23:40 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 23:40 |
| ol_schoola | timelyx: after I reflash ;) | 23:40 |
| cbx33 | oh timelyx I havn't got my sb box at the moment | 23:40 |
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| timelyx | sp3000: ok, ?dsfkjhk is working :) | 23:42 |
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| * timelyx goes to rebrand | 23:42 | |
| cbx33 | do any maemo staff hang around in here? | 23:44 |
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| timelyx | infobot seen ferenc | 23:46 |
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| infobot | ferenc <n=sopi@a88-112-124-45.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 30d 4h 21m 40s ago, saying: 'bye all!'. | 23:46 |
| timelyx | infobot seen qgil | 23:46 |
| infobot | qgil <n=qgil@a88-112-12-130.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 96d 7h 19m 33s ago, saying: 'we have completed the upload and we are doing the last testing before announcing the release'. | 23:46 |
| timelyx | infobot seen bergie | 23:46 |
| infobot | bergie <n=bergie@cs181192153.pp.htv.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12d 5h 3m 3s ago, saying: 'hi'. | 23:46 |
| timelyx | infobot seen jake | 23:46 |
| infobot | jake <n=jake@cblmdm72-241-70-5.buckeyecom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #norganna, 118d 22h 12m 9s ago, saying: 'any one there'. | 23:46 |
| timelyx | wrong jake | 23:46 |
| timelyx | sp3000: *OOPS* | 23:47 |
| timelyx | so, um | 23:47 |
| timelyx | symlinks are *bad* | 23:47 |
| sp3000 | o_O | 23:48 |
| timelyx | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/flock/ | 23:48 |
| sp3000 | heh | 23:48 |
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| timelyx | ok, um... what do you want changed? :) | 23:50 |
| sp3000 | maemo-all should probably mention the all versions (/tags/branches) thing | 23:53 |
| sp3000 | hmm | 23:53 |
| sp3000 | ... or that | 23:54 |
| timelyx | someone want to explain what sardine is? :) | 23:55 |
| timelyx | or chinook for that matter :) | 23:55 |
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